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Presumably, you are referring to this:
http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2010/05/the-racist-email-by-the-harvard-3l.html
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“Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The Thought Police would get him just the same. He had committed— would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper— the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever.”
–George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
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ugh.
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“Stick to posts about women. wahhhh wahhhhh. I can’t make any move with women unless you guide me every step of the way. wahhhh wahhh.”
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I agree. Whatever happened to that great liberal principle of freedom of expression, fighting to the death for the right of others to say things one does not agree with? Liberals are great at advocating freedom of expression for their own views, but less so for views which differ from theirs.
One of the most annoying things about this was the Dean’s mischaracterisation of the email in her official response in which she said:
“one of our students suggested that black people are genetically inferior to white people”
This was not what the email said. The extract I read from it was pretty well-balanced and indicated that the student was merely keeping an open mind (and in any case intelligence is only one genetic characteristic). Would that her elders and betters followed that advice instead of engaging in knee-jerk reactions & placating.
[editor: the reason that elite whites at harvard disingenuously conflate genetic inferiority with intelligence gaps is because in their world IQ really is the hallmark of a genetically superior being. only the highest IQ people get admitted to harvard. this is why it won’t matter when they’re told that one race may be better at athletics than another. that kind of genetic superiority is irrelevant to their worldview.
in the larger scheme of things, elite whites know damn well that in a modern first world nation in the 21st century, innate cognitive ability really can mean the difference between a so-so or a shitty life and a great life full of milk and honey. ultimately, this is what drives them to the lies — an abyss so great and gaping that not even the winners can bear to stare into it for long.]
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Liberals have feelings, everyone else has principles. It feels good for them to demand their way, then prevent anyone else from disagreeing. Principles? Those are for “racists,” you see.
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“elite whites at harvard disingenuously conflate genetic inferiority with intelligence gaps…in their world IQ really is the hallmark of a genetically superior being
This is indeed exactly the way academics think.
The disingenuity is shocking though, considering that this is the Dean of a Law School, she should have read the email properly rather than engaging in a knee jerk reaction, the misrepresentation involved would be sufficient to ground a defamation action in some countries.
It should be obvious that intelligence (which does not even translate to achievement, see below) is only one genetic component among many, good mental and physical health & the ability to reproduce easily being far more important.
only the highest IQ people get admitted to harvard”
I agree one has to have a fairly high IQ to get in & to manage there, but the level of IQ required varies depending on whether or not one is scholarship funded or not. There is a certain minimum IQ required (different levels depending on who’s paying the fees), and after that it is preparation (nurture rather than nature) There are lots of people who didn’t go to harvard or indeed ivy league colleges who have just as high an IQ as the ones who did.
In a modern first world nation in the 21st century, innate cognitive ability really can mean the difference between a so-so or a shitty life and a great life full of milk and honey
I agree innate cognitive ability helps, but in practice there is a certain minimum level of cognitive ability required for most jobs & projects, varying from job to job, after that success really depends on interpersonal skills, hard work, interest in the job/project and luck. People overestimate the benefits of exceeding this minimum; high cognitive ability on its own is not much use without the other factors.
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Orwell said it best himself:
“By 2050—earlier, probably—all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. … Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like “freedom is slavery” when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
–Ninteen Eighty-Four
Why disagreement is bad for left/liberal types. Orwell knew from first-hand experience.
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BTW, who was responsible for putting this private email into public circulation? They caused the real hurt.
Who leaked it? Did he/she/it give it to a journalist, so sources protected?
Well, where is H. Rap Brown when you need him?
Burn, baby, burn. No Justice. No peace, etc.
BTW, I love it every time Harvard does stupid stuff like this, and thereby demeans their reputation. Me and mine never had the brains, pull, or dough to attend. Somebody walking through the door with a Harvard diploma doesn’t sound so great anymore.
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Nothing new or shocking here. The liberal elite is ruthlessly enforcing a narrow, PC, self-serving groupthink. Stop the presses.
I’m not exactly sure that letter is what Roissy had in mind, though I’m out of the U.S. cultraul loop at the moment. Who is O’Brien? Conan maybe? He does his interview on 60 minutes tomorrow and is a Harvard alum.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Brien_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four)
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Nice friends this girl has.
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Stephanie Grace is free to make any statements she wants, no matter how racist. She won’t ever be charged with a crime in the United States, even if she were to venture into the hate speech so popular amongst readers of this blog.
[editor: she doesn’t need to be charged with a crime to have her life destroyed.]
The rest of the country however has the right to advocate that someone with opinions so unacceptable in society’s as Stephanie Grace’s not be given a public position in the judicial system where those opinions will weigh.
This is like the whiz kid Kiwi Carmona, also from Harvard Law, who despite being a 16 year old genius, used the word “nigs” for blacks in the notes he took on a civil rights case that he then posted online. Neither Stephanie Grace nor Kiwi Carmona were expelled from Harvard Law or prevented from practicing law, but those of us who aren’t white nationalists or in the party have the right to advocate as private citizens that they never be allowed to sit on the judicial bench or be hired by someone who does.
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“BTW, I love it every time Harvard does stupid stuff like this, and thereby demeans their reputation. Me and mine never had the brains, pull, or dough to attend. Somebody walking through the door with a Harvard diploma doesn’t sound so great anymore.”
Are you kidding?
Look, everyone knows PC is a lie – they live it (no one lives in NAM neighborhoods or goes to NAM schools unless they have no choice). When Harvard shows that it has the power to destroy someone for daring to disagree with the lies that Harvard tells it makes Harvard look strong. People love strength. This is great for Harvard.
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The rest of the country however has the right to advocate that someone with opinions so unacceptable in society’s as Stephanie Grace’s not be given a public position in the judicial system where those opinions will weigh
Aw c’mon. The girl was not expressing a definite and final opinion, she was simply putting an idea out there as something to be considered.
I’m not sure I agree with the idea she puts forward myself. A lot of African-Americans (example: Henry Louis Gates) have considerable caucasoid ancestry. As such the intelligence difference may not actually be as great as one would think, even if one operates on the principle (of which I have yet to be convinced) that the average African has slightly lower iq than the average Caucasian.
However I wouldn’t fault someone else for raising this idea as worth investigation, obviously it would have to be empirically verified, if it doesn’t stand up, no worries, if it does, well, how can we deny reality?
I do think that the whole IQ thing is a bit overrated though as a method of measuring intelligence and also “average” IQ means very little, there are lots of deviations from the norm.
Personally speaking, I would be interested in seeing how the average iQ of people of my particular Caucasian genetic origin fares against those who have their origins in other European countries.
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And the point that she doesn’t need to be charged with a crime to have her life destroyed is very, very true.
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[editor: she doesn’t need to be charged with a crime to have her life destroyed.]
She’s a big girl, she can handle it.
[editor: similar arguments were made by proponents of jim crow.]
She’s already been hired for a prestigious clerkship by a well known conservative judge who’s no stranger to controversy himself. She should have known exactly how unethical or backstabbing Harvard Law Students can be before she sent a sensitive email to any. That’s just how the world is. It helps her case that her statements were pretty equivocal.
[equivocation is the tribute honest people pay to thin-skinned liars.]
Even Kiwi Carmona, who made far more offensive statements, is now a successful lawyer as a partner in his own practice. Why does Ms Grace need a government handout job when a HLS degree will go a long way in the real world of private practice where few clients will care about a lawyer’s views.
[larry summers and james watson would disagree with your rosy assessment.]
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The problem is that among elite scientists and science journalists the evidence for HBD is an open secret. The deniers have already started to lose the most intelligent left liberals like Jon Haidt and Geoffrey Miller, and even the New York Times has an HBD sympathizer as it’s main science reporter. It all reminds me of the work of Timur Kuran in his classic work on preference falsification, Private Truths, Public Lies. I predict that there will be increasingly hysterical denunciations of HBDers, then all of a sudden there will be complete revolution in elite opinion and everyone will take significant genetic differences between races for granted. It’s not going to be a gradual change.
[editor: derb was courageous to go before that naturally antagonistic audience and tell the truth the way he did. balls of steel. btw i agree with your prediction. the end times of the equalist myth are upon us, and the switchover will be abrupt. but it may be already too late for this country.]
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I wonder if Stephanie Grace is nice looking while the “friend” is not.
I wonder if Stephanie Grace got the guy that “friend” was hoping for.
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She’s probably the perfect example of why intelligence isn’t everything. Knowing how things are, she should have known to keep her mouth shut unless she wanted to get busted.
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@Gorilla
A presitgious clerkship usually leads to a fast-track position in a private BigLaw firm. Read it up. One year under a federal judge and they get like a 250K signing bonus with a private firm.
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Correction: I should have said they get like 250K when you include the signing bonus.
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@DefaultUser
Or got the guy that “friend” was hoping for
Or got the clerkship that “friend” was hoping for?
SDaedalus feels compelled to point out that, important as they are to her, men are not the only things in life and that rivalry over men is presumably not the only form of rivalry among Harvard law students. How do we know the friend was female in any case?
Personally, I’d have more reservations about employing the “friend”, who in my view should also be outed.
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Roissy. I have friends who went to ivy league. Most of them got in because they were liberals and were connected.
Looking at them now they are smug idiots without brains. They haven’t done shit with their lives because they were coddled.
Having a high IQ has nothing to do with wisdom. University is about remembering shit and putting up with pc bullshit. I know lots of educated fools.
[editor: i agree IQ isn’t the only factor contributing to a successful life. but it’s an important one, and, more relevantly, it’s a factor that’s been systematically ignored and demonized by the kulture kops for 50 years now. pulling back the curtain on this biggest of lies is gonna send a lot of degenerate night creatures scurrying for cover.]
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She’s just learned a lesson that most lawyers learn at far less cost – some you things you just don’t put down on paper (or in this case computer memory).
This kinda reminds me of Martha Stewart’s female “friend” who sold her out during Stewart’s insider trading / obstruction trial. This woman was accompanying Stewart to Mexico at Martha’s expense and confirmed that she remembered Martha had fielded a phone call from her broker during the trip when she could have very easily “forgot” about the phone call and shielded her “friend” from a trial which was really a witch hunt. Stewart’s felony conviction is even more of a joke in view of the SEC’s neglect of the Madoff scandal. Women can really be cruel to each other.
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the reason that elite whites at harvard disingenuously conflate genetic inferiority with intelligence gaps is because in their world IQ really is the hallmark of a genetically superior being.
Very true, but IQ is only one form of intelligence and often not the most important. Half the internet is devoted to high-IQ people complaining about / demonstrating their poor social intelligence or poor judgement, so that should be obvious.
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So you’re comparing a Harvard grad who has already secured a prestigious clerkship to life under Jim Crow. Yeah…
[editor: not quite. try reading for comprehension.]
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Racial communism:
We are seeing whites/asians get uncomfortable with the status quo because the de facto quotas (disparate impact, race norming, diversity bean-counters) mean that a company/university/government will have to eventually have 50% of its upper staff be white, 20% black, 20% hispanic, and 10% asian. There is a problem though…………………this screws over many high-achieving whites and asians whose grades/IQ’s would put them in those slots if awarded purely on merit.
They get fucked over, and they know it. But its much worse than in the past because lower-tier jobs out there now really suck. It used to be if your profession flamed out, you could still work in construction or in a factory and make a pretty decent living. No more, those are tickets to being almost “working poor” these-days. The competition to get professional accredidation and get on with a big company or government job is quite intense because the ditches on the side of the road are so deep now.
We have racial activists who -demand- that their group have just as much as whites/asians have materially, but they go further: they demand that disparities in imprisonment, disparities in arrests, disparities in drug addiction, disparities in gunshot wounds and murders are further evidence of inherent racism in society and further proof that whites/asians are secretely suppressing them.
The problem is, you can extend their logic into every nook and cranny of life: disparity in who gets laid, disparity in who is popular and who has the most friends, disparity in what artist’s exhibits are displayed in galleries, disparity in what filmakers find distributors for their releases, whose music gets played the most on radio stations, what actors are in commercials, what radio stations home-loan-businesses advertise on…………………..you name it.
Whites and asians are a bit nerdy. They have to “nerd-out” a little bit to succeed. Most arent going to be professional entertainers/sports stars so they really have no other choice. Whites and asians are inherently afraid of living in public housing projects and will work three jobs and 70 hours a week to avoid doing so, and are very afraid of going to our prisons, so criminality-as-a-career is pretty much ruled out for them also, therefore they strive very hard scholastically and do well. Most of them realize they have no other choice.
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Another thought-out-loud thats been percolating in my mind:
SWPLS and regular white people are so far apart on many things that Im beginning to think of them as seperate groups in almost a racial sense. Its as if the left has found a way to make “ex-whites” out of swpls, or to have create the most anti-white group out of status-obsessed whites. Nobody hates Joe-the-electrician, or Jim-the-plumber, or Jerry-the-accountant more than Jonathan-the-swpl-bookstore-manager.
Look at how many swpls adorn their person with granny-glasses, birkenstocks, hipster-clothing, Prius automobiles, and other tinny-little accoutrements of differentation vis-a-vis regular whites. Its as if they are trying to distance themselves from Joe Sixpack as much as they can as to be visually demarkable from “them”. Its really amazing when you think about it, as Im not sure this has happened before to this extent anywhere else unless you go back to Oliver Cromwell’s roundheads, etc.
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“in their world IQ really is the hallmark of a genetically superior being”
I don’t know where you’ve been for the last 20-30 years, but IQ has long since been discredited as a perfect measure of intelligence in academic circles. But hey, keep on knocking down that “liberal” strawman if it makes you happy.
[editor: if liberals didn’t take IQ so seriously, why were they throwing a party when that faulty study came out purporting to show libs have higher average IQs than conservatives? hmm?]
“she doesn’t need to be charged with a crime to have her life destroyed.”
You mean how labor proponents, academics, or anyone else expressing a vaguely liberal viewpoint was likely to be blacklisted in the 50s and 60s (and through most of human history for that matter)?
[is this supposed to be a point?]
Seriously dude, stick to posts about game. It’s the only subject that doesn’t make you sound like a complete moron.
[you just don’t like it when i say things you disagree with.]
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As long as society exists, freedom of speech is more of an illusion that most perceive. Especially since the majority simply regurgitate what they have been indoctrinated with.
We don’t want to think we will be persecuted for thoughtcrime. Especially since those who commit actual crimes that effect the material world can get away with it or pretty lightly if caught.
The law can prevent only so much. Social ostracisation as well as vigilantism is always a tool that can be used.
The only option when ostracised is indeed to move to a different society, more suitable to your tastes.
You might say that’s a good thing to force you to do. Give up and abandon them to their darkness, once you have been rejected. Accept your difference means you must find someone like you, once your rebellion fails.
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I think it’s entirely possible that the girl in question may be too honest about her feelings ever to survive in the legal word.
However I have to admit a grudging respect for a lawyer who says it as they actually think (whether or not that is objectively right or not).
Her “friend” on the other hand, plays into the legal stereotype.
Also, yes, Nicole, I agree that the kid was foolish, from point of view of protecting her own self-interest, to send the email. But who hasn’t demonstrated poor judgment in their youth?
And acting always with an eye to the main chance, changing or keeping quiet about one’s views & compromising one’s principles for career success is not necessarily commendable either, it smacks of Peter Keating in the Fountainhead.
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“Legal word” above should read “legal world”, so sorry.
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In retrospect, I can see it in another light, but I don’t think my original reading was as thoughtless as your comparison. Almost everyone recognizes the fundamental injustice of Jim Crow laws, whereas the unfairness in question here is precisely that — in question.
[editor: i’ll spell it out. the comparison is between the rationalizations employed by both jim crow supporters and harvardian equalist status quo supporters — don’t worry about southern blacks/truthtellers, it’s just a little segregation/public shaming. they’re big boys, they can handle it.]
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First, of course getting into HLS has something to do with IQ. LSAT is everything in law school admissions. God I can’t stand these low paid blue collar proles who talk about “wisdom.” Sorry about your janitorial position.
And Orwellian or not, this chick should have known what a painfully stupid move this was. Luckily for her, Kozinski is probably laughing his ass off.
[editor: she made two mistakes. she spoke the truth in writing, and she apologized afterward. never apologize when you’ve done no wrong. it will only incite the sharks to circle back for another bite.]
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Intelligent Stupid Liberals
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201004/more-intelligent-stupid-liberals
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Ha, glad to see someone mention Kiwi Carmona. Now that was offensive stuff. Even by http://www.xoxohth.com standards.
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“[editor: if liberals didn’t take IQ so seriously, why were they throwing a party when that faulty study came out purporting to show libs have higher average IQs than conservatives? hmm?]”
Goddamn I hate liberals. I’d love to see the whole lot tortured and beheaded.
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And it’s a lousy comparison. Even you should recognize the difference between government imposed racial segregation and freedom of association. If people wish to socially ostracize this girl, then that is their right. As noted, she can still graduate from Harvard and practice law. She should be able to handle it. If people choose not to listen to the Dixie Chicks because of a one-off political statement then that is their right (even if the boycott strikes me as petty and stupid). I’m not going to squander increasingly scarce sympathy on ivy-league grads anymore than country rock stars.
Jim Crow is a different beast in that it robbed people of dignity and opportunity, everywhere and always. This Stephanie Grace can still go to almost any restaurant free from assumption whereas blacks were instantly judged on the color of their skin.
Instead of treading in lazy analogies, why not go to the core of the issue? Why not say that even if she can handle it, she’s being treated unfairly and does not deserve X, Y, Z.
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She should just have cited Steven Pinker and other liberal HDB symphatizers. Genetic research is advancing at a rapid pace, I can’t wait for the moment the tide turns..
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Yup. They’re completely inconsistent in almost every opinion. The only consistency: White males are responsible for all the world’s ills.
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“Ay Papito
“Stick to posts about women. wahhhh wahhhhh. I can’t make any move with women unless you guide me every step of the way. wahhhh wahhh.””
HEY ASSHAT?!!!!!
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this is how women think
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the founding fatehrs had not a single law degree bteween them but they read teh greats.
today’s cunwhores have not a single great book between them and they rule the world with fiat dollars
but now here life, so like many ghavrard lawyer corproate whores is ruined by TRUTH.
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but this way, at least she might be redeemed with a soul after she sees what teh fiat masters and teir press do to her she might have a chance to repent and change her ways
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SDaedalus–
The evidence for the later is absolutely overwhelming and isn’t in dispute by much of anyone in the field of psychometrics (which includes within it’s purview measuring intelligence). The bases for claiming no average group differences are such desperate leftist straw clutching as claiming that “race does not exist, but is only a social construct” (which has been proven wrong in lots of ways) or that IQ tests don’t measure intelligence (also wrong).
Although it’s reflective of the mass media extensive dissembling on this issue that you think as you do.
What there is dispute about is the origin of the one statistical standard deviation (15 +/- 0.2 IQ points) difference between blacks and whites on IQ, and a somewhat bigger average difference between blacks and NE Asians.
Heredarians or naturists, who Stephanie Grace thinks might possibly be right (there’s a whole lot of evidence) believe some substantial part of the reason seems from the evidence to be genetic in nature, with the rest culture and environment (often said to be above 50/50, or somewhere in the 40-80% due to genes range), while nurturists claim it’s entirely 100% culture and environment.
There’s not a single heritarian scientist or important advocate who claims it’s all due to genetic differences.
However genetic differences can feed into and influence cultural differences. We all tend to put the most effort into what we relatively easily or naturally do best. Athletes put extra effort into sports and working out; higher IQ people put it on school and intellectual exploration e.g. from books and the web. In each case the person who’s good at it enjoys the different kind of workout.
This aggregates into cultural feedbacks exacerbating IQ differences when racial groups also have different cultures to some extent. This is seen graphically in blacks ridiculing hard studying or classroom participating blacks for “acting white”.
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A careful reading of her email makes it clear that she was eager to reassure her readers that she was not an iq/racial egalitarian. In other words, she was saying that she agreed with her colleages about HBD and wanted to make sure they understood it. This demonstrates that in certain strata of the HLS, the tenets of HBD are already the accepted wisdom.
I get the impression that this part of the story is being deliberately ignored by elite scumbags.
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As one might imagine, Obsidian in his latest blog post and comments is all over this, ridiculing Grace and those who think HBD has a point.
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apparently, individuals with higher working memory capacity are better at rule based learning (hypothesis testing), no surprise here.
the surprise comes from a recent paper that showed higher wmc compromises information-integration (procedural) learning, flourish if you will. dumber people learn better on some tasks, perhaps because individuals with higher wmc are more prone to rule based decision making and are less likely to abandon their cognitively demanding approach. also perhaps because low wmc individuals cannot accomodate an expansive set of hypotheses to test, so are more likely to jettison that approach early on.
activation of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is related to wmc, and the executive control required to excel at rule based tasks.
the surprise is corroborated by transcranial magnetic stimulation mediated disruption of dlpfc functioning and enhanced implicit learning.
two points.
one.
my inkling is that social learning is procedural>>>rule based. politicians are typically intellectuals who rely on high cognitive loading to make decisions influencing social policy. unfortunately, this approach may produce solutions to social problems that are more than randomly incorrect, they may be systematically wrong.
two.
adopting strategies rife with wmc demands in social situations is suboptimal. general pointers like how to stand and hold a beer are good, as are general tenets of game. they are training wheels to use, understand, and eventually do unconsciously. but an overuse of rule-based learning in social situations will be to the detriment of the user. we may learn better how to get women if we do not analyze their responses and deconstruct their behaviors post/during interaction. if we disengage our frontal lobes from the situation we will then allow the unconscious procedural based learning to kick in and consolidate our learning more effectively. in other words, we must choose to learn about it rather than think about it.
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also, modafinil/armodafinil is one of the finest compounds man will ever create. stock up.
enjoy.
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To bring this post back from the suckage that Riossy unfortunately brought it to:
What do you guys rate Stephanie Grace in terms of looks on a 1-10 scale?
I give her a 6.5.
If she lost a few pounds, I move her up to a 7 (maybe a 7.5).
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social science is now king
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RRRAAAAAAACIST!!!
Ostracize the thought criminal!
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That’s more true for Abrahamic religions. For example, Wicca is considered a religion.
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Oh man is this a can of worms.
If Summers and Watson, two intellectual giants, can have their careers derailed, poor Steph must have been shitting her pants. What she should have realized is that unlike them she is YOUNG and the HBD science has such momentum that liberals will pass through my 4 stages of acceptance of a scientific theory in plenty of time for her to be lauded as a prescient truthteller.
4 stages: 1) Your theory is crazy and you are evil 2) There is no evidence for your theory 3) Your research methodology is defective and worthless 4) This theory is just what I’ve been saying all along
We are very late in stage 3. In this case stage 4 will not even be a lie because the liberal/progressives were all for eugenics of low-IQ folks until Hitler made it an embarrassing opinion. The scientific credibility of the liberal/media complex has been crumbling and will collapse catastrophically soon.
The funny thing is that the fact of differences within groups being huge in comparison to differences between groups ought to render the whole controversy politically neutral — it’s just obvious intelligence runs in familes, and some groups of related people are smarter than others — as long as you make sure that someone’s “race” has zero LEGAL significance, what the hell does it matter that it’s possible to define a group you are not in that’s smarter than a group you are in?
The smartest ethnic group of size 1 million or more is Ashkenazi Jews, 1 SD above the mean — but you could find lots of smarter families from any ethnic group in the world. How smart should a perfectly average Ashkenazi Jew HS senior consider himself by virtue of his ethnicity? Not very much, put him in Harvard and he will flunk out for sure.
The intellectual corruption of Harvard is so extreme as to be uncorrectable in a gradual way, a sharp break must occur and boy that will be fun to watch. Almost all Harvard Professors actually believe in group differences in IQ and also believe, correctly, that they personally are much smarter than the average of any group, but this is an unsayable taboo thoughtcrime.
My 18-year-old daughter just got rejected by all 5 Ivy League schools she applied to despite 2320 SATs out of a possible 2400 and an A average in the top school district in our state (only 90th percentile of her class because it’s an extremely smart community), and I am certain she is way smarter than the average Harvard student (having known very many Harvard students). She didn’t stand out because she hadn’t padded her resume with community service and they have de-emphasized test scores due to “disparate impact”. Their loss. But they can’t go on like this because the lowered quality will become so obvious eventually. (She got a 4-year $25,000/yr academic scholarship to a 2nd-tier school, so she’ll do OK.)
Some Republican politicians should start arguing for the bringing back of racial quotas. They have de facto quotas anyway, but because they can’t rely on test scores they end up with lower quality overall while if they used test scores to pick the smartest of each race it would be a lot more meritocratic.
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Sickening. This kind of shit is getting really old. Read her apology if you want to vomit.
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BFM – They can get their soul back if they repent.
Sounds to me like Ms. Grace is just open to knowledge. She’s to be commended for getting through our libtard education system with her brain intact.
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Presumably those most outraged will also claim to believe in evolution. David Friedman had an interesting point about this:
“It’s a widespread view, but true in only a narrow sense. People who say they are against teaching the theory of evolution are very likely to be Christian fundamentalists. But people who are against taking seriously the implications of evolution, strongly enough to want to attack those who disagree, including those who teach those implications, are quite likely to be on the left.
The denial of male/female differences is the most striking example of left wing hostility to the implications of Darwinian evolution, but not the only one. The reasons to expect differences among racial groups as conventionally defined are weaker, since males of all races play the same role in reproduction, as do females of all races. But we know that members of such groups differ in the distribution of observable physical characteristics–that, after all, is the main way we recognize them. That is pretty strong evidence that their ancestors adapted to at least somewhat different environments.
There is no a priori reason to suppose that the optimal physical characteristics were different in those different environments but the optimal mental characteristics were the same. And yet, when differing outcomes by racial groups are observed, it is assumed without discussion that they must be entirely due to differential treatment by race. That might turn out to be true, but there is no good reason to expect it. Here again, anyone who argues the opposite is likely to find himself the target of ferocious attacks, mainly from people on the left.”
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-is-against-evolution.html
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I agree with her overall point, but it was hard to tell because her email is poorly written.
Exhibit 1: “I also don’t think that there are no cultural differences or that cultural differences are not likely the most important sources of disparate test scores (statistically, the measurable ones like income do account for some raw differences).”
double negatives, run-on sentance, important info buried in a parenthesis = bad writing.
I normally wouldn’t judge someone’s writing ability from an email but hers is espentially lengthy and pretentious so I feel it can be used as an accurate reflection of her writing abilities.
More importantly though, as E asks, How hot is this chick? I give her a 6, if I’m being generous then a 7. And given her middle rank this line from her email is especially entertaining:
“just like I think my babies will be geniuses and beautiful individuals whether I raise them or give them to an orphanage in Nigeria.”
I believe she is trying to say her kids will be geniuses and beautiful because she will pass these genetic traits on to them. Although, again, it is hard to tell because her writing isn’t entirely clear.
To her I say: Bitch please, you ain’t beautiful and you ain’t no genius.
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“Jim Crow is a different beast in that it robbed people of dignity and opportunity, everywhere and always. This Stephanie Grace can still go to almost any restaurant free from assumption whereas blacks were instantly judged on the color of their skin.”
But if intelligence levels were the same wouldn’t blacks have created their own restaurants/institutions? After all, Jim Crow was simply separation (not exactly a great injustice).
Jews were discriminated against on Wall Street (and most everywhere else) and they simply created their own institutions.
Another thing – I’m pretty sure she will lose her clerkship now that her un-American activities have been exposed.
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At least when Comedy Central and the “Draw Mohammed Day” chick caved, they could justify their cowardice by genuine fear for their necks. Stephanie is a much worse coward because she was only threatened with a bad job reference.
By the way, standing up to this kind of blackmail is supremely alpha. For example, if you decide not to testify in a case where you were a witness because a gang threatened you, you have lost all claim to any social status, because you’re putting your selfish interests ahead of what’s right. I’m not saying this makes you less alpha, but it makes you the ass-saving live-to-fight-another-day sneaky-fucker cad sort of alpha and does not distinguish you from betas and omegas. But if you make a stand on principle over something like this, you identify yourself with the indispensable heroes and pioneers without whom society could never have been built, projecting “alpha provider/protector” which is the most powerful of all the archetypes for attracting women.
I, like many men I am sure, literally could not force myself to give in to this kind of threat no matter how serious the danger, because it would be a violation of my essential integrity — I could not accept living in a society where this kind of intimidation trumps law and order. Similarly, in Larry Summers’s position, I would never apologize for making an emprical observation I believed to be true, no matter how many people it offended, under pressure from political enforcers. (I just might apologize, on my own initiative, for being tactless or raising the issue in an offensive way or on an inappropriate occasion, but NEVER because of mau-mauing.)
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The article linked about the e-mail mentions the book ‘Bell Curve’ which came out about 15 years ago. It was a dry read and its research models were criticized but it stood for the following basic proposition:
1. That since year 1950 – Ivy League and graduate schools have become much much more competitive;
2. That since year 1950 – Ivy League and graduate schools have become much more a gateway to high salaries and wealth;
3. That Ivy League and graduate school entrance examinations (SAT – LSAT) measure someone’s ‘cognitive ability’
4. That cognitive ability is in some measure an inherited trait;
5. That your inherited genetic makeup has a .3 to .7 relationsip to your cognitive ability; (That is out of the scale –1 thorugh to +1. a 0.0 would be no relationship and a -1 would be a complete inverse relationship.
6. That racial groups have wildly different average levels of inherited cognitive ability –
7. To expect the racial composition of an Ivy Leage University or graduate school to reflect the racial composition of America at large is to therefore expect the impossible.
8. To expect the average income of varios racial groups to reflect the same proportion is also to expect the impossible.
There is one scientific heresy left in the world – and that is to give any hint of, conduct any experiment, publish any data, or talk to anyone about anything that might EVEN SUGGEST – that IQ is moderately determined by genetics.
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GBFM,
“either way she was gonna end up hated, soulless and alone with cats….
with her email it will happen a bit quicker”
Thank you for my belly laugh of the day.
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I’ve been reading the archives all night.
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hahaha jesus what a colossal overreaction.
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Slippery slope folks. As soon as we admit there may be correlations between intelligence and ethnicity, we’ll be rounding up every non white or asian person and sticking them in concentration camps like Hitler.
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I’m going to write a book for women and make sure that it says “WOMEN SHOULD NOT READ THIS BOOK” in giant bold letters on the front, back, and spine. Combined with similar reverse-psychology techniques for the contents, not only will it be a best-seller but the only manual for women that men will feel less hate for the message contained.
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Freedom is the freedom to say that 2 + 2 = 4. If that is granted, all else follows.
The mendacity and surreal denial of reality found on liberal campuses, enforced by powerful career-destroying thought police, is truly orwellian, and truly sickening.
Alas, how many have been persecuted for the wrong of having been right?
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From the Law School press-release:
So why is a law docent body condemning something without the courtesy of, you know, getting an expert to explain what the data is on this.
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Oh my fucking god.
Why do we even bother existing if it’s going to be like this?
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Why even bother ranking a female lawyer?
At 40 she’ll be folding her diploma into an oragami baby.
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What is really amazing is that this topic is still being debated (IQ and race.), and at Harvard of all places. It just goes to show the amazing level of ignorance in this country. Astounding, really. This issue was decided decades ago.
IQ testing was a routine measure of mental ability in the 1950’s. The US govt vowed to close the IQ gap back in the 1960’s with Headstart and other such programs. Remember? Anybody?
Having failed to do that, because difference ethnic groups have different IQ’s, they simply got rid of IQ tests. There! That was easy!!
It reminds me of a gag by Kurt Vonnegut. A dictator declared war on bad odors in his country. Having failed to rid the country of bad odors, he had everybody’s nose cut off.
Anyway, Harvard is making a joke of itself. Good.
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Doug, Obsidian is not anti HBD. He’s anti stupid people who want to ride the coattails of the more successful members of their ethnicity, to make themselves feel superior to more successful people of other ethnicities.
[editor: correction: he constantly brings up the “coattail riding” non-theory whenever the subject of hbd is broached to distract from the facts at hand.]
The current averages are a fact, but since they’re averages, they should and usually do mean very little to above average IQ people.
[above average iq people are capable of seeing the big picture and what is or isn’t good for the country as a whole.]
The people they do mean something to are people with some kind of axe to grind or insecurities who want to make policy based on what’s currently known, but about which the future is unknown.
[somebody shoulda told that to the architects of the great society.]
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This is a pretty good explanation of the PC lynch mob mentality:
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/04/29/stephanie-grace-racist-harvard-emailer/
In short, certain offensive ideas CANNOT EVEN BE DISCUSSED in an academic setting. Simply asking the question of whether there may be genetic differences (e.g., height, penis size, intelligence, etc.) between groups is conflated with the proposition that the lower scoring group is inherently inferior to the higher-scoring group. Therefore, inquiry into these issues is completely off limits (a) for moral and political reasons (according to Feministe, the belief in racial inferiority was the cause of, and justification for, slavery) and (b) because all right thinking people know it to be false as a matter of fact. She also makes a broader attack on “logic, reason, and consistency.” (If you read the email, and then what Feministe says about it, it’s hard to see any resemblance between the views that Feministe attributes to her and what she actually says.)
I went to a top law school and work at one of the big firms in DC, so I’m very familiar with the Orwellian world where even discussing certain topics can get you branded as a racist.
I came across this on abovethelaw.com last week. One of the commenters suggests that she shouldn’t have expressed these ideas publicly (the private email was forwarded by a “friend” around the law school, then to various websites), then another commenter argued that, even if it was private, she should have known that it would become public, because anyone seeing such an offensive message would be duty bound to make it public.
LESSON: Never write anything that might be considered racist or offensive; better yet, don’t think it so you won’t be tempted to write it, as this would necessarily result in you being outed for the racist MFer that you really are.
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Haha, massive props to meg00k for that imagery!
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NiRo
People, for gods sake.
Keep in mind that she wasn’t the one who made this private email to a handful of friends viral. To say the least.
She sent it to a few people after a small dinner party w/ a few Federalist Society associates/friends. The elipsis at the beginning of her email suggests to me that what she was doing in her own mind was continuing the informal conversation among friends.
Rum says above that what she really seems to be doing in this email is staking out a less clearly herediatian perspective that those she’s writing to — those at the dinner party. My own guess is that she’s trying to thread a completely middle, or compromise course between some at the dinner party who argued an heritarian perspective and some who argued a more nurture or culture determinative one. She probably came more off in the later camp at the dinner discussion than on reflection she wanted to leave it.
But the thing is, it was just a note to friends.
Not an essay for Boston Globe.
Though it was made into that months later by her jealous female attacker at the dinner party that night it appears, who made it viral by carefully aiming it at groups that would predictably be outraged. Such as the Harvard Black Law Students Association.
A private email sent to very few people. Not a polished essay.
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Nicole–
Rubbish. Oh he claims that as his surface cover story (to induce letting guards down), just as he claims to be of two minds about affirmative action. Then he does his level best to emotionally skewer HBD perspectives as inherantly geeky and loserish with girls, and those opposed to AA as inherently in favor of white special privileges as opposed to meritocracy. His fundamental mantra is that anyone who thinks there’s something to HBD can’t get laid.
I don’t agree with you at all about Obsidian’s motivations, though I thought more as you do for awhile when he was first here at Roissy’s.
I very much agree with what I think you’re getting at here when considering individuals. A very smart black person w/e.g. an IQ of 120 is just as smart as a white with that IQ. And both will also have all kinds of other traits, like degree of leadership juice and so on that will big in their own cases. IQ is overemphasized in part because it’s been so extensively measured and otherwise studied.
However this pithy rejoinder by Roissy as “editor” following your next quoted remark is something I also agree with and why I myself occasionally talk about HBD issues. Though they’re a very small minority of what I do talk about in web political discussions. (Feminism and game much more.)
As Roissy’s rejoinder is getting at, extremely extensive social policy and laws have long been made on the leftist assumption or rather article of faith that the races are born entirely equal on average in intelligence and mental qualities (so far a harmless feel good notion that might be thought to do good in fact) and that therefore any differences in average group outcome in educational or income achievement must be due to wholly irrational white prejudice and continuing great discrimination, which must be punished, vilified, rooted out, and all sorts of compensatory social policies put in place to equalize the racial results. Not you notice to equalize social class outcomes, or the outcomes of individual less intelligent people with brighter ones. No, racial outcomes. (And gender ones as another branch of the cultural Marxist equalist /sameness belief system.)
There was never any weight of the scientific evidence to support that leftist assumption, much less anything coming close to proof. Both the scientific evidence, and yes common sense observations, have long fallen heavily to the contrary, whether whatever the causative mix of intractable cultural and genetic differences behind it.
That’s not just a harmless feel good thing at all. As well it encourages a black attitude of “you owe us” rather than “try, try again” even if life isn’t always fair, which is what my father taught me. This leftist viewpoint was worth something in getting rid of segregation and Jim Crow, though basic American equality before the law was plenty for that when applied, but it’s been poison since.
This ideology that all racial outcome differences (except the ones helping blacks excel such as in basketball and football) are due to pervasive discrimination and that chimera “structural racism”, has pervaded our social polices for two generations, far beyond just formal affirmative action. Schools don’t emphasize overall excellence much less stretching the highest attainments of the brightest quartile so much as “leaving no child behind”. And so on. Everywhere there’s a social issue there’s this huge lie, which always deeply influences policies and endlessly ineffective programs.
Why does American school performance lag behind that of all other rich industrial countries in the OECD? That’s why, what I just said. Because of school policies based upon this fundamental leftist lie that’s made so relevant in America because of the size of our NAM populations.
Our immigration policy is also made hugely against our national interest because of this lie. We’re letting in floods more of the low IQ schools performance in their third generation here, heavily Indio Mexican peasant origins illegals, and then after a while giving them amnesty. (By the third generation European and Asia immigrants have been fully competitive w/the native population.)
The census bureau predicts that if our current effective immigration policies remain the same, a majority of the population will be lower performing Mexicans and other central American (unto their third generation here and beyond) and blacks a little more than a generation from now.
These group issues are not unimportant Nicole. (But no they shouldn’t determine our evaluation of any individual.)
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Editor says, “[editor: correction: he constantly brings up the “coattail riding” non-theory whenever the subject of hbd is broached to distract from the facts at hand.]”
Theory? It’s what they’re doing. If I was running around harping on how White women age worse than Black women, and I looked like a hunchback prune, what would you figure I was doing?
I’d be riding the coattails of prettier Black women to make myself look better than prettier White women. You would not mistake me for being unbiased.
I don’t mistake most HBD’ers for being unbiased when they run on a hamster wheel about facts that have been known facts for decades.
“[above average iq people are capable of seeing the big picture and what is or isn’t good for the country as a whole.]”
No, they are not. They’re just better at profitting from social engineering when they have the luck of a combination of moderate to high IQ, low social dependence, high social skill, and high motivation.
A high IQ has nothing to do with “good” or even an idea of what’s “good”, especially for others.
“[somebody shoulda told that to the architects of the great society.]”
It’s not looking so great these days.
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Remember: Liberals hate and harrass intolerant people because they’re not tolerant and accepting like they are. (Anyone who doesn’t think freely exactly like they do is fair game also.)
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Anonymous, that’s probably the biggest lie of liberalism: that they are free thinking.
They may be more “free range”, but they’re still just another herd, and will defend their position with just as much hostility.
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polymath–
Yes.
(Though as a quibble Askenazi Jews are about 2/3 SD above the white mean at 110 IQ, tests on average have shown. They are about 1 SD above on verbal abilities though.)
Though I wonder if certain regional castes (probably not e.g. all Brahmins taken as a whole) have a higher IQ. They too have been largely intra-breeding for a long, long time.
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Nicole
Actually classical liberals were RELATIVELY free thinking. Certainly that was a major plank of creed of classical liberalism. I’m talking Enlightenment thinkers here, with roots in the scientific luminaries of the Age of Reason, who developed the first true experimentally verified and tested science.
People should realize that America is one of the few countries in the world to make liberal synonymous with leftist. In Europe, Latin America and Asia liberal means being for free trade, deregulation, selling off to private hands of nationalized industries, globalization, and so on. I.e. it means classical liberalism. (Which also includes being open to influences from other cultures and peoples,which is the bridge w/leftism.)
This appropriation of the “liberal” label as a fig leaf for leftism or socialism occurred in American during the New Deal of FDR. It was said to mean moderate leftism.
Leftists with their Marxist roots aren’t free thinking whatsoever about things which threaten their core ideology of equalism/sameness, lead by the intellectual leftist vanguard, who must have ever more influence in society for it’s perfection.
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Affirmative action admission policies at the best universities function as both a remedial measure and an experiment in eugenics. Although the apologists for affirmative action justify it rhetorically with the claim that it fosters diversity, diversity alone will probably be viewed as an insufficient justification if over time affirmative action does not work. The experimental aspect of affirmative action postulates that if at some point in time you start admitting otherwise unqualified applicants these unqualified applicants will have offspring that reduce group-based differences and the offspring of later generations will eventually be capable of excelling at the best universities. Note the postulate of the experiment is stupid because ability in all groups is statistically distributed and all groups are already capable of generating members that can at least function at the best universities. If the experiment does not work and differences persist but affirmative action continues, affirmative action will be viewed as a group-based spoils system that favors an egalitarian over a merit-based system of allocation of the goodies of society like education at the best universities. I believe an egalitarian approach is essentially anti-american because people will receive benefits that they otherwise have not merited based solely on membership in a favored group. Such a system, if tolerated, will functionally enact a classed-based citizenship – those who create more of the goodies of society but get to keep less of them for egalitarian reasons and those who create less of the goodies but get awarded more of them again for egalitarian reasons. Isn’t this marxism? The shaming of a member of the elite really functions as a warning that affirmative action is a sacred cow and cannot be considered in any of its details because someone might ask the question “is affirmative action working to normalize group-based differences”? You get the wrong answer to that question and the egalitarians and their social and political policies will be attacked as essentially anti-american.
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@Doug1
The evidence for the later is absolutely overwhelming and isn’t in dispute by much of anyone in the field of psychometrics (which includes within it’s purview measuring intelligence).
I’ll have a look at this, thanks. I have no difficulty with the principle that intelligence can vary between races, subject of course to the qualification that there are always individual exceptions & it can be dangerous to stereotype.
In practice, though, the amount of intelligence one needs to function at the average professional job in the modern world is not that great, most people of 120 or over in iq should be able to manage quite satisfactorily if they have other relevant characteristics.
What do you think of my point on the african/caucasian admixture in african-americans though, and the possible resulting IQ increase? It would be interesting to compare intelligence with the amount of caucasian admixture (there is a test to ascertain this now).
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Looks like honey-dip forgot to re-read The 48 Laws of Power.
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The first post contains a link to a blog post. In that blog post there is a link to this essay…
http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Heritability.html
Read the section Two Senses of “Genetic” to get an idea of the kind of anti-science thinking going on here. He specifically seperates genetics from heredity; as if the two are mutually exclusive.
[editor: that article was written in 1996. a lot has happened in the computational genetic and sociological fields since then that address his critiques.]
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I said
it would be interesting to compare intelligence with the amount of caucasian admixture (there is a test to ascertain this now)
Just to clarify, I am not saying that intelligence would necessarily increase with Caucasian admixture, I have not come to a conclusion on this myself, but it would be interesting to see the results.
I would be really interested to see how Irish IQ rates to the rest of Europe, if anyone has any information on this, let me know. This is relevant to the above, believe it or not, since a lot of the Caucasian admixture in Irish-Americans is Irish or Scottish, Henry Louis Gates & SDaedalus share a common ancestor.
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Oh dear. This is what comes of typing while eating a salad. I meant to say “a lot of the Caucasian admixture in African-Americans is Irish or Scottish”. Sorry.
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SDaedalus–
I think you’re right about both.
As to the later that would indeed be very interesting. And as you say very doable with today’s genetic technology. But extremely difficult to get funding for in a study with a large sample size, which is what would be needed to be more than suggestive. Charles Murray proposed exactly that as one small part of an article he did in 2005 in Commentary magazine, summing up the current state of knowledge about IQ differences and the reasons for them. Funding and vilification /professional suicide of the researchers if they came up with the “wrong” answer is I think the reason no one has taken him up on the idea. Which I’m sure many genetic scientists have had previously to his suggesting it.
The admixture of on average about 20% white background in African Americans is already baked into the extremely widely replicated 15pts or one standard deviation difference. I mean the admixture we have in America were the ones tested.
For illustration IF one assumes (wrongly) that all the difference was genetically caused and if we use a 70 average IQ from sub Saharan Africa (it actually averages a bit lower) and assume (again wrongly) that that’s all genetic and not due to in significant part to nutritional deficiencies and disease loads in Africa versus the US, then without white admixture blacks in America would arithmetically have an about 80 IQ. But that’s just to give a rough idea.
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Henry Lois Gates is way more light skinned than the average US black.
That’s not a 100% reliable indicator of ancestry but tends to be pretty close usually. Genes can sometimes do unusual things. Roulette wheel at conception.
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Roulette wheel acting on a given palette and frequency of possibilities that the ancestry of the sexually mating pair have given them and their respective eggs and sperm.
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“meg00k
Why even bother ranking a female lawyer?
At 40 she’ll be folding her diploma into an oragami baby.”
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A short-cut that is often taken in the world of medicine and every other attempt at taking a hard science approach to the study of human beings is that of putting a simplitistic label onto what is in fact a part of a continum.
For example, the measured blood pressures of a thousand consecutive people will come out to a crude kind of Bell Curve. Those above a certain level have been associated with bad outcomes and so have been given a name – Hypertensives. But there are not two different populations of subjects producing a bimodal distribution of BPs.
Something like ADHD is very much the same. The characteristics that are used to define ADHD are found in a typical unimodal Gaussian distribution in any given population yet by convention it is spoken of as if it were a
disease. It is and it is not. But like high blood pressure, it must be given a distinct name if it is going get funding for research and a code for billing purposes.
So, does ADHD “exist” if it is just a name for the strength of certain qualities in an individual which are present to some degree in everyone? This can be argued either way. People often choose sides on the basis of their career needs.
Does race “exist?” There are always gray zones of overlap regarding measurables that one can find in order to say no. However, Medicine and Psychometrics routinely use much weaker categories ever day to generate papers, treat patients, and suck money from Governments and Insurance companies.
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Does anyone know if the email in question was on the school server? This is the real legal issue here.
Whether emails are considered private conversation has not been legally resolved. In the case of the workplace, I believe courts have ruled that email done on the employer’s server is not considered private conversation. Email done on a purely private email system (e.g. gmail, yahoo, etc.) is considered private conversation, no different than if you have a private conversation in your own home or over the phone.
The question is how is this determined for email on a university server, assuming that she used the university server to send her email.
Does anyone here know the details of this?
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The biggest difference between Roissy and GBFM:
Roissy believes in love -> game is a means to an end.
GBFM is an atheist to love -> women are commodities.
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Doug:
Trade off is from what I’ve read mixed race children seem to have more mental/behavioural problems, probably from family instability at the first generation.
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fair use dude, and as it’s now a newsworthy story lozlzlzlzlzl on her …. otherwise we would have to say that people are not not allowed to talk about other people and what they say lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzlllzlz and then back it up with proof lzozlzlzl
“Lindsey Abelard
Does anyone know if the email in question was on the school server? This is the real legal issue here.
Whether emails are considered private conversation has not been legally resolved. In the case of the workplace, I believe courts have ruled that email done on the employer’s server is not considered private conversation. Email done on a purely private email system (e.g. gmail, yahoo, etc.) is considered private conversation, no different than if you have a private conversation in your own home or over the phone.
The question is how is this determined for email on a university server, assuming that she used the university server to send her email.
Does anyone here know the details of this?”
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Dear Lord, WTF has become of this blog. First off, free speech does not encompass the guarantee that your speech will not be met by vigorous disagreement. She’s at Harvard. Wow, it’s shockingly liberal. This is like being a staff member of Fox News and bitching that a rant against Ronald Regan wasn’t received well.
For all the bitching about liberal victim mentality, it seems like conservatives buy into the same “we are oppressed” mindset and love to buy into that narrative at every opportunity. Both parties encourage a race to be offended at the slightest change in direction of wind blowing against their puny nutsacks.
And really….like anyone should give a fuck what some 3L Harvard chick thinks about scientific racism? Law school is full of pseudo-intellectual blowhards who try to say shit in the vain attempt to seem smart to their peers. Personally, I don’t give a fuck what some chick who’s only likely exposure to anyone with dark skin is her sorority sister who tanned just a bit too long says.
Roissy, you need to get a grip on some of these posts. Linking Obama talking about appealing to first time minority and women voters to a rant on shooting people who come over the “wall” and now discussions about non-whites having lower IQ’s as a genetic condition. Are you F-ing serious? You know the “that’s so-alpha” knee jerk clones like that asshat Doug are going to use any justification for discussion of this stuff to engage in rants that dangerously pushes the line into a broad declaration of white superiority (as long as it is “scientifically justified”in their tin foil hat wearing head).
Lets leave the neo-conservative shit at the door, otherwise you are going to encourage the clones to finally make the declaration that saying racist shit is the new “alpha.”
[editor: nah. a more accurate representation of a motto i’d approve of is ‘speaking the truth is the new alpha’.]
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Do you fancy putting us ladies on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange next to corns and golds and writing your daily analyst report with all the fiat lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzlllzlz? 😉
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“In practice, though, the amount of intelligence one needs to function at the average professional job in the modern world is not that great, most people of 120 or over in iq should be able to manage quite satisfactorily if they have other relevant characteristics.”
The High IQ Society has produced an excellent, quite accurate taxonomy of cognitive classes based on essential differences. Think of these as natural cognitive brackets.
I am rewording their descriptions, but you can find them at their website after you take their test.
SD 15 IQs:
140-155 Intellectuals (capable of theory building based on essentials)
124-140 Top Professionals (capable of genuine autodidactism.)
108-124 College Graduates/Lesser Professionals (capable of being educated in college.)
Obviously, there are all kinds of exceptions/special cases, weird learning disabilities, lopsided IQs with extraordinary talents etc., but as a general matter these hold up pretty well.
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Lets leave the neo-conservative shit at the door
At least get your taxonomy straight. Neocons like globalism and free trade, and at the more extreme margin, advocate a borderless world. They dislike more overt forms of socialism. And they are studiously indifferent, to acommodationist, to the Left on social and racial subjects.
You see very little neo-conservative views among this blog’s commenters. Most can be described as having an ideology that, from 400BC up to circa 1965, was referred to as “normal.”
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[editor: nah. a more accurate representation of a motto i’d approve of is ‘speaking the truth is the new alpha’.]
Then out with it. Most of these posts beat around the bush, imply things, and engage in slightly off-topic discussions of the first amendment. Most of this is done in an attempt to maintain plausible deniability of what everyone knows their true belief is. If speaking the truth is alpha, out with your believe in the truth.
[editor: your reading comprehension problem is not my moral crisis.]
Do you believe white people (Caucasians) are intellectually superior to Blacks and Latinos based on genetics?
Are Asians intellectually superior to everyone else?
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(that was supposed to say 4000 BC)
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@JB
Thanks for this. Although my comment earlier was on the hoof, and based on my personal experience only rather than scientific data, it looks like I wasn’t entirely off after all.
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[PA]
Really? Out of that entire post, you are arguing about the definition of neo-conservative. Fine, neo-con typically pertains to a foreign policy world view, especially recently, not necessarily a conservative social view. Let’s just use the term right wing view instead.
Glad to see you made a point that had nothing to do with the discussion. You get a gold star for the day.
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lozlzlzlz! what pa meant to say was:
Lets leave the neo-conservative shit at the door
At least get your taxonomy straight. Neocons like secretive tapings of butthex iwthout the girl’s consent, globalism, bigger government, funding the welfare and warfare state as long as jonah goldberg doesn’t have to fight them so he can stuff his fat, cherubic face on dc pizza lozlzlzlz, and free trade, and at the more extreme margin, advocate a borderless world where butthex will know no borders lozlzlzlzlzllzlz. They dislike more overt forms of socialism and prefer outright communism. And they are studiously indifferent, to acommodationist, to the Left on social and racial subjects, until you say the word “neocon, which tehy consider racist. lzozlzllzlzllz.
You see very little neo-conservative views among this blog’s commenters except for when charlotte allen show up to correct our grammar and spelling lzozllzlzlz. Most can be described as having an ideology that, from 400BC up to circa 1965, was referred to as “normal” for those advocating butthex.
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lzozllzlzlzl pupu!
ben bernanke already commodified and deosuled you ladies lzozlzlzllzl
the divorce and debcuahery and porn industries are all huge profit centers which deny the classical tenets of the immortal soul. zozlzozllzlzlzlzzllzl
tucker max is published an pormoted by a women-run publishing conglomerate and his lies are repeated as gospel buy the neocns in teh weekly standrad who are all first and foremost serving teh transfer of wealth from the common man to the ifat masters by killing sthe soul truth and beuaty and enslativg the world to fiat debt butthex lsoslslzlozlxoxlxlozlzoxoxlxlxlxxlxlx
next week the new Tucker Max/Charlotte Allen/Jonah Goldberg/Simon & Schuster (Viacom/viacum) mutual fund will start trading under the ticker symbol
BTHX lzozllzlzlzlzlzozlzozlzozlz zlzlzlz
“Pupu
Hey, barbbabbs,
Do you fancy putting us ladies on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange next to corns and golds and writing your daily analyst report with all the fiat lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzlllzlz? 😉 “
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Dr. Smooth, you so upset that I dodn’t zero in on the main thesis of your angry and somewhat formless rant, and instead pointed out a quibble in said rant.
Perhaps I simply didn’t give a duck’s piss about your “main point” and instead simply sought to disassociate myself from the erroneusly-applied label “neocon.”
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” You know the “that’s so-alpha” knee jerk clones like that asshat Doug are going to use any justification for discussion of this stuff to engage in rants that dangerously pushes the line into a broad declaration of white superiority (as long as it is “scientifically justified”in their tin foil hat wearing head).”
Exactly. What are we actually advocating for when we discuss all this goofy IQ talk and HBD bullshit? Eugenics? Do you guys seriously want to revive that load of embarrassing early-20th century bullshit? Are you guys confident that you’ll be in the right “IQ bracket” or “race bracket” or whatever to be part of the “ruling class”?
Should we just let Jews rule the world since they’re supposedly the “most intelligent” on average? And should we just revive slavery for the poor niggers because they’re supposedly so dumb (on average)?
I swear most of this “high IQ” horseshit is driven by lazy, arrogant people with supposedly high IQs who are bitter that they didn’t get that life “full of milk and honey”. Sorry, but a high IQ score is not some kind of automatic entitlement package. I’ve met a lot of shiftless, useless, unaccomplished “high IQ” people who think they should be handed the keys to everything just because they think some high bullshit standardized test score means they deserve it.
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Eh, I agree with her basic premise that genetic causes may factor into cognitive group differences. We shouldn’t castigate Ms. Grace for her opinions.
Only a few problems…
She claims that her children will be geniuses and beautiful regardless of environment. However…
1) She writes poorly.
[editor: compared to the typical HLS student, probably true. but she writes better than the majority of americans. small comfort, that.]
2) She is a plain looking redhead.
[she’s a little better looking than plain. i’d give her a 6.5. maybe a 7. red hair adds half a point. hot tamale!]
3) Her undergrad major at P’ton was SOCIOLOGY.
[touche.]
All of these factors combined makes her seem like a pretentious little bitch. I’m engaging in pure ad hominem, but so what.
[she does have the tightly wound, ultra-intense look of a pretentious bitch. odds are good she’ll wind up the usual masculinized lawyer cunt. or rather, odds *were* good. woops!]
Also Roissy, your aversion to liberalism is understandable given your worldview. The problem is you offer no viable alternative. While liberals may be a bunch of truth-distorting pussy-fags, I contend that conservatives are no better–maybe worse.
[a viable alternative? trust in truth. it is the only thing that will light the path ahead of us.]
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What are we actually advocating for when we discuss all this goofy IQ talk and HBD bullshit? Eugenics?
Do you have a problem wiht eugenics? Shit, every time you check out a hot girl, you’r practicing eugenics. And every time a girl checks me out, she’s practicing eugenics.
The HBD sphere has its assorted Jewish supremacists, Asian supremacists, and other sorts of supremacists, maybe even some white supremacists. But above all, I concede, with al that IQ talk, HBD is home to the most pernicious type of all, the Nerdo-supremacist. And I reject them all for their poisonous ideologies.
Now however, here is where you are wrong. There is, in fact, much at stake with HBD. The tenets of human biodiversity call to question today’s offical reigning ideology, blanks-slateism. And blank-slateism, with its made-up word “racism,” is a blood-libel that holds whites responsible for all evident unequal group outcomes.
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“DrSmooth
[PA]
Really? Out of that entire post, you are arguing about the definition of neo-conservative. Fine, neo-con typically pertains to a foreign policy world view, especially recently, not necessarily a conservative social view. Let’s just use the term right wing view instead.”
BTHX the new fiat neocon hedge fund — hedging against turth, honor, marriage, and decency and betting it all on secretive tapings of butthex without the girl’s consent and programming women to fall in love with undead metrosexual vegitarian vampire blood-sucking lolzlzlzl monsters wearing makeup. lozlzzlzllzl
It wil cost $69 a share and it wil go up as long as the warafer, wlefare, and secretive tpaings of butthex without the girl’s consent (a mixture of welfare/warfare lzozlzlzozlzozlzlzl!) state increeases. lozlzlzlzlzllzlzozzolzlzlzl
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Let’s just use the term right wing view instead
Nah. Years 4000BC-1965AD sez that my ideology is called simply “normal,” just like liking hot girls and enjoying oxugen is called “normal,” and it’s the opposing ideology bears the burden of assuming fancy names.
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The average IQ of black Americans is 80. The average IQ of black Africans is 70. Koko the Sign-Language Gorilla scored 91. Truth hurts.
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lozlzlzl
hey y’alls
i’m gonna go read some orwell today
the great booosk r are only hope and salvation lzozlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz
ivy league shcools are filled with idiots thnking they’re smart zlozlzo9zlozzlzllzlllzlzlzlllzlzlz
the beauty of stephanies email is that it exposes both
1) HER IDIOCY
2) THE ELITE IVY LEAGUE IDIOCY
in a single shirt email lzozlzoz zlz lzozlzlz zozlz ozozz lzozozlzlllzlzlzlz
shakespeare siad that brevity is the soul of wit until tucker max came along and said “secretive tapings of butthex is the soul of wit i am six feet tall” and charlotte allen reprinted his six foot tall lie lozlzlz in the weekly standard lzozlz lozlzllz
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There is probably not any difference in intelligence between racial groups.
That said, the question can and should be answered by science, regardless of anybody’s feelings. The people we should be suspecting of ill intent are the ones who would demand the questioner shut up.
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I fed a fish to a pelican in Frisco Bay, it tried to eat my cell phone
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christianity in a fiat federal reserve system is like two married people having sex in teh missionary missionary position but before they’re married and iwth the dude pretending her anus is her vagina. lzozllzlzlzlzlzl
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“Do you believe white people (Caucasians) are intellectually superior to Blacks and Latinos based on genetics?
Are Asians intellectually superior to everyone else?”
[editor: your reading comprehension problem is not my moral crisis.]
Avoiding the direct question. Proving my point exactly. People want to comment and post on this issue behind the shield of innuendo, but when the direct question is asked, the supposed “alpha” truth telling bravado scurries away.
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Harvard makes themselves stupid. In the recent financial crisis, I knew that mortgages were crap in 2005, and by 2006, everyone I know, knew that they were crap and was fleeing to the exits, but the ivy leaguers, like Goldman and Sach, did not know until 2007, 2008 – because the idea that mortgages had become garbage, like the idea that blacks are on average genetically inferior, has “a racist past” – the racist past being the obvious fact that affirmative action corrupts everything it touches.
Mortgages are still crap, for the same reasons they have been in the past several years. The financial system will have endless crises, because no one in the elite can admit the truth, without being swiftly thrown out of the elite for heresy and wrongthink.
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Three points:
1. Harvard does not admit people of high IQ. Harvard graduates get their high IQs the way the scarecrow got his brains; by being given a diploma!
2. The Harvard Dean is quite right to be shocked that anyone could get past the entrance tests and indoctrination and still believe such truths.
3. You need to learn more about Jim Crow. For example the white guy might be proud that his alma mater, East Alabama Teachers College, did not admit blacks and so the black guy had to go to Howard.
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This is hyperbole.
Our society has an irrational taboo on (discussion of) a particular idea, just as early tribal societies had their own particular irrational taboos.
It sucks, but it’s not 1984.
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“ben g
This is hyperbole.
Our society has an irrational taboo on (discussion of) a particular idea, just as early tribal societies had their own particular irrational taboos.
It sucks, but it’s not 1984.”
no it’s 2009 lozzlzllzz i mean 2010 lzozozlzlzllzlzlzlzlz
what does the g stanhd for?
ben gay?
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hey asswipe of course it is hyperbole asshat fucktard
1984 is a book and metaphor and myth
but that don’t make it not real
lzozzlzlzlzl
roissy’s point is that the same thing is happing
of cource harvard is not going to change it’s name to obrien you fucktwat fanboy
people like u are thre reson the us is all fucked up.
raised by singlemoms with no ability to connect the dots and thik freely waaahhahahw whahahahahahahah don’t be so mean to britney!!
wahahahahahah
loosllzlzlzlz
leave our society alone!! wahahahahhaha!!
this is you & america:
leave our society alone!! wahahahahhaha!!
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Most clear thinking people on this blog and others have come to the conclusion that what happened to this girl is wrong, there is nothing in her e-mail that warranted this arrest by the Thought Police and the subsequent ostracism and hate directed toward her, followed by the demeaning apology.
The important part is not the particulars and minutia of her e-mail or whether it was written well. She didn’t advocate violence toward anyone or conspire to commit any crimes.
So while this girl twists in the wind by herself without the help of anyone, people have once again taken the opportunity to debate the minutia of HBD…who fucking cares already. It’s not the issue right now. What should be happening is people should be speaking up for this girl the same way Al Sharpton holds a press conference on the scene with a bunch of people standing behind him as he holds an umbrella. It always seems to be raining when Al holds a press conference.
Where are all the intelligent people at Harvard that realize this girl is being railroaded and that this Thought Police atmosphere is dangerous? Where are the administrators, students and professors to rally to her defense? You mean to tell me they’re all brainwashed? Are they all afraid to lose their jobs or ruin there careers? If enough defend her then you can’t fire everyone.
If not at Harvard there should be outside groups to defend this girl. Apparently there are plenty of people who see the problem here. Yes, we know what happened to this girl is bullshit, the question is, what are people going to do about it? Debate HBD some more? I’m not doing anything either but at least I realize that step 2 needs to be taken.
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@GBFM: Your confusing “christianity” with “christendom”. Kierkegaard had a lot to say about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Søren_Kierkegaard#Kierkegaard_and_Christianity
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“you’re” not “your”. I don’t want Charlotte Allen correcting my grammar.
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lzozlzl
mark twain said there was only ever one christian. . . .. and they killed him dead lzozlzlzl
just like the neocons the catholic church likes it butthex
it is almost as if they are competing 2 see who likes it more
tucker max is their six foot tall god and lord their knight in shining armor.
save barbabbus!! kill jesus!! save tucker max and fund and finance and publish and promote him! they sing from teh fiat church pews lzozlzllzlzz buthhex!! buy stock in BUTHX!!!!!! kill jesus and teach girls ot to love chastity and virginity but unded vampire monsters wearing nmakeup lozlzlzlzozlzlzozlzlzoz
i swear 2 god everyone but roissy would be surprised if i told you homw many chix ask me to do them in butt please please please lzozlzlzlzl
no! i say! no!
you’re getting free ifat dollarz through your feminist studies programs which are killing the family and fucking up when not aborting chcildren in accord withteh fiat master’s wishes fund your own butthex sessions lozlzlzlz
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“Dave
“you’re” not “your”. I don’t want Charlotte Allen correcting my grammar.”
Lozlzlzlzlzl!! you know she will!!
forget to pay your parking tickets and they tow your car.
print billions out of thin air and create more debt than any othe rman and you are time magauizne’s person of teh year like ben bernanke was.
publoish profit from stories singing about your secretive tapings of butthex without the girl’s consent and charlotte allen will repeat your pr lies in the weekly standard that you are 6 feet tall and a successful filmmaker when you lost $10,000,000 on a $12,000,000 film lzozlzlzl
missspell a word like misspell and charlotte will bring the ruler down on your fingers, like a nun discipling kids in a church where the preiest is fondling them lzozlzlzlzlzllz, all in the name of jesus .lzozlzlz
jesus lzozlzl
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BTW Larry Summers also had the last laugh @ Harvard when Harvard’s endowment lost 1.8 billion:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/11/29/harvard_ignored_warnings_about_investments/
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^^^^ i meant to add that ben bernanke bails out all teh fiat bankers while the common man loses their home lzozlzlzl
funny thing is the common man is doing real work while the banksters are inflating and deflating bubbles so as to convert fiat debt in to physical property lzozlzlozzlzllzlzlzlzl
butthex is used as a litmus test.
if you never pass judgement on stories celebrating secretive tapings of girls having bbutthex without the girl’s consent, but instead propmote the author, then you are “made” and allowed in teh inner neocon circle lzozlzlzllzl.
if you suggest that butthex is maybe not the wya 2 go and that maybhe it is immoral to film it without the girl’s consent, then you are a marked man and will be exiled from teh necon inner circle.
lzozlzlzlzlzlzllz
and never will you get a penny of that fiat debt lzozlzlzl
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greatbooksformen,
I can’t tell whether you’re a parody of the reactionary retards here or a genuine idiot who spices his rants with lzozlzlzl, but either way it’s mildly funny so keep it up!
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Gay priests was a plan hatched in the Kremlin to discredit its chief ideological component the catholic church. The Soviet Union folding is only misdirection to hide the fact that marxism has already triumphed in the west. Does that make me sound like a favor tin foil hats?
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“It sucks, but it’s not 1984.”
Read the words carefully, look for what they exactly mean, then compare them to what you feel about them and in what context they are used.
Orwellian is a reality, not as bad as 1984 but getting there pretty quickly.
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“I” not “a”. That sounds like something Henry Higgins would say.
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ben gay
I can’t tell whether you’re a parody of the reactionary retards here or a genuine beta lozlzlzlzler who spices her as with lzozlzlzl before tucker max tapes secretive anal sessions to earn money for the fiat banker publishing homes run by women and promoted by neocons lozzllzl, but either way it’s mildly funny and relatively painless if you lubricate liek tucker talks about in the story which profits the banksters while degrading women which women love so keep it up!
fiat bankers inflate and deflate bubbles and then create more government to correct the problems they created.
their neocon wives deconstruct all teh clasical hertiage and debauch literature by publishing and promoting tucker max and then they create more government to solve the problems they create.
always bankruptiung, always cerating warbetween coutries and husbands and wives, always debauching and degrading, always causing the problems, and then alays saying, “let us fix the problems” lzozlzlzlzlz.
porn, usury, war, debauchery, desecration, butthex, and prostitution lzozlzlz except tthis time the world’s oldest profession–prostitution–is designed to make men pay for teh past use of a pussy via divorce court.
lzozllzlzlzlzlzllzl!!!
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@GBFM: Compare/Contrast Shaw’s view of the value of educating women with Tolstoy’s. Consider Fiat Banker’s propaganda depiction of female emancipation/education in “My Fair Lady” with 21st century reality.
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This kind of thread needs more careful moderation because of all the idiots and invective the subject draws.
The important issues are simple, and I challenge anyone on this thread to gainsay the following carefully worded propositions:
1) People must be free to say 2+2=4 and other theoretically or empirically supported statements without being presumed evil (even statements that are wrong if they have not actually been refuted). Someone who persists in making statements that have been disproven, on the other hand, may be presumed to be either stupid, mentally imbalanced, or reprehensible. However, most people have no clue when something has actually been proven or disproven and tend to therefore unfairly impute stupidity, craziness, or wickedness to those who disagree with them.
2) There can be no argument whatsoever about the fact that the average score of racial groups on intelligence tests differs systematically. The REASONS for the difference are contested, but the view that *all* such differences are due to defects in the tests themselves (rather than to effects the combination of environment and heredity has had upon the test-takers) is an assumption rather than a conclusion.
3) If it weren’t for race-conscious social policies, there would be no moral or political significance to the fact of group differences on test scores. MOST of the people commenting here are upset that assumptions with no empirical support and much empirical counter-evidence are having a deleterious impact on society via misguided policies, and to dismiss them as people who just want to feel better about themselves by identifying themselves with a smart group is insulting and is a transparent attempt to avoid debating the empirical issues by resorting to ad hominem.
4) There are plenty of people commenting on this thread whose views are racially bigoted, factually wrong, or both, and they deserve to be sharply criticized; but it would be better all around if anyone who wants to blast such views and their proponents does so by contributing facts or logic to the discussion rather than by conclusory denunciation.
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DrSmootj
Nope. Not a chance. I don’t believe in white superiority and it’s also not at all a scientifically supported concept. Although what you consider “pushing the line” seems clearly to be informed by the equalist/sameness PC myth, or at least informed by the determination to hypocritically maintain that myth.
There’s lots of diversity in our species and a lot more of most kinds of that diversity including IQ exists within races, rather than between them. As Polymath said above and as I quoted him in agreement above. Different mixtures of traits tend to be better for different things. A high IQ does not necessarily make someone an alpha in attracting girls, and above a certain level it probably does negatively correlate, to pick an example relevant to the main subject of this blog, and that Obsidian likes not unreasonably to insist upon. Even in the one area of IQ many blacks have higher IQs than the average college educated white person.
A black guy w/an IQ of 130 is just as smart as a white guy with one. If it weren’t for affirmative action, a black graduate from Harvard medical school would on average be just as smart as a white one. That can’t be said now though. Which is part of how this pervasive lie operates through AA in the real world.
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Look, the bottom line is this: the liberal pc postulate we’re all supposed to accept is that, in areas where whites dominate over some non-whites, that domination has nothing to do with genes/race and everything to do with RACISM.
This girl questioned that postulate. She questioned whether race/genes were related to IQ. That was her crime: shaking the very foundations of liberal pc-world view–not by agreeing, but merely questioning.
What doubles it up is that she is a student in law school (A PC-liberal creation with no real value, but always is concerned with never offending—political training school), and law school at the SWPL mecca–Harvard.
The fact that she got through both of their heavily SWPL screening processes and yet still managed to contradict the dogma she is required to swallow scares the crap out of SWPLers. Its why she’s being publically burned at the stake; not only is an unclean heathen, she is an unclean heathen in the VERY HEART OF THE KINGDOM challenging the King to his face. The very same reason Copernicus roamed free while Galileo was tortured until he broke.
[editor: excellent comment. the fact that an INSIDER is shitting on the shibboleths is what truly scares the apparatchiks.]
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Does evopsych support cultural conservatism or libertarians?
Ok so most in the Roissysphere basically except a libertarian conservatism. Some might ideally long for a cultural conservative community, but the general consensus is the fight is lost, and PUA game is the only way in which men as individuals can enjoy their lives in the brave new world. Some argue game is bad for society, but the individual male’s only choice, while others argue it will somehow change society.
But game has come to be seen as a good in itself, and that supports a libertarian sexuality, based on evopsych.
On the other hand the Darwinian Conservative blog argues that a gene-centered politics would more favor the policies of the betacons. Focus on the nuclear family as the basis of community and a strong emphasis on monogamy and sexual morality.
What kind of society do you think evopsych pushes us to?
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You don’t need sophisticated IQ tests to prove that African Blacks are a genetically inferior sub-species.
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Doug says, “Actually classical liberals were RELATIVELY free thinking. Certainly that was a major plank of creed of classical liberalism. I’m talking Enlightenment thinkers here, with roots in the scientific luminaries of the Age of Reason, who developed the first true experimentally verified and tested science.”
Good points in this post.
Most big social movements are spearheaded by freethinkers, but ultimately they’re speaking out in order to drive a herd. The herd, believing that the ideology presented to them is benefitting them, does what they all do and starts enforcing the standard by the same means they all do.
Right or wrong, deviation is punished.
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Some of the racial bigots on this thread are so simple-minded that I am almost persuaded they’re fake (though I conclude it is more likely they are real, alas).
Here’s a hint: if you have to compare a racial group to an animal to make your point, you’re a bigot.
Here’s another hint: if you use the word “inferior” without saying what it means scientifically or what practical consequences follow, you are not contributing to the discussion.
Here’s another hint: the information-theoretic value of the shade of someone’s skin in determining their intelligence is so minuscule that it is dwarfed by the amount of information you get from observing them speak for 10 seconds or reading a paragraph they have written; therefore speculation on the mental capabilities of a public figure based on his melanin content is pointless.
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The powers that be want you to talk about IQ in their divide and conquer scheme to rule the masses. They want you to feel aggrieved if you’re in a group that is identified as less intelligent and aggrieved if you’re in a group that is identified as more intelligent but discriminated against because of affirmative action. In classical liberalism rights only attached to the individual. As soon as the system tries to eliminate so-called disparate impact the politicians are given powers to pick and choose winners and losers and build political coalitions based on a group-based spoils system. The current argument about illegal immigration is really about the democratic party recruiting another group that can be bribed through the group-based spoils system. Affirmative action is really a half-assed attempt to undo the results of systemic discrimination. If they’re really serious about it and make sure its given its best chance to work over generations, where are the policies to encourage marriage between high-performing members of the groups that are advanced through affirmative action? It will never work if the current mating preferences of women 2.0 are allowed to triumph. And btw, should it even be maintained at all if a minority already can achieve the highest office in the land? Isn’t that proof of the success of the system, or is that just a simulacrum of success?
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@Crimson Ride
“First, of course getting into HLS has something to do with IQ. LSAT is everything in law school admissions.”
EVERYTHING?
What was Barack Obama’s LSAT?
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polymath
Agreed.
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Feminsim is evil and I predict a “perfect storm” in approximately 20 years. Another generation of boys without men. A big push in gay activism in law. 50% of our schools (if they even complete school) made up of underperforming minorities with no American identity forcing the U.S. to compete with the Chinese and Indians with less than half of it’s workforce. 70% of Black families have no father. In second generation Hispanics (and higher) the percentage is higher.
We are looking at a HUGE increase of out of wedlock births. Huge social costs that will not correct the root cause (if history serves as a guide). So half the population has to compete with China and India with a punitive tax burden. Men will continue to retreat from society. As more and more women see men turning away some of these will wonder why. Some women may even one day be capable of an honest look at how men have been treated unfairly. But I think this route will take too long.
America is collapsing in my opinion. We have caused so much social damage that it is impossible to steer the ship in the right direction in time. Over the next 20+ years there will a huge increase in gang activities in some regions. There will probably be race wars. Incomes will drop because we will not compete well with China and India and this will breed discontent all over America.
We have replaced the male archetype with the feminine archetype which will be completely unable to deal with these problems-many of which it created.
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The feminine archetype is now dominant in the U.S. and western world.
Feminism is causing the regression of women to the state of childhood: i.e., rights without responsibilities, consumption without production. For men, feminism has caused the opposite: responsibilities without rights. People with responsibilities but no rights are slaves. We are currently headed for a world in which women are children and men are slaves. Look at the work place, take a good look at Family Courts. Look at educational institutions. These all favor females aggressively and deny males equality (also aggressively). It’s not about “commitment”. It’s about discrimination against males.
Discrimination that is everywhere.
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If you all have never read the book THE REVOLT AGAINST CIVILIZATION: THE MENACE OF THE UNDER MAN by Harvard grad Lothrop Stoddard (back in the early 20th Century when being a Harvard grad actually still meant something), you better get crackin…the scenarios described in that book are unfolding before us right now.
CHAPTER 1 — THE BURDEN OF CIVILIZATION
CHAPTER II –THE IRON LAW OF INEQUALITY
CHAPTER III — THE NEMESIS OF THE INFERIOR
CHAPTER IV — THE LURE OF THE PRIMITIVE
CHAPTER V — THE GROUNDSWELL OF REVOLT
CHAPTER VI — THE REBELLION OF THE UNDER-MAN
CHAPTER VII — THE WAR AGAINST CHAOS
CHAPTER VIII — NEO-ARISTOCRACY
– http://users.mo-net.com/mlindste/revltciv.html
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90+% of lawyers are bloodsucking parasites — straight up.
90+% of law positions should be eliminated, and the former lawyers ought to find real jobs in fields producing things of actual value.
That is one of the main problems in the modern USA: there are just too many swarming parasites trying to suck the blood of a very weak and still weakening host (the USA and her citizenry); I doubt this prostrate host can handle too much more blood-loss before it drops dead, as the symptoms of its decreasing vitality and sickness are evident all around us.
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DRHammer: You don’t need sophisticated IQ tests to prove that African Blacks are a genetically inferior sub-species.
See Roissy, this is why, even though I’m East Asian and my people are on avg intellectually superior to all other races, I can never join HBD.
The college I went to had a bunch of sub-Saharan African blacks who were extremely intelligent. One was even better in our math and engineering classes than I was–the rest weren’t of course.
Maybe I’ve gone native, but I think the stressing of these differences without solutions stultifies the achievements of Civil Rights (I know you don’t care) and of the rare individual blacks who are well above average but would be immediately typecast as dumb.
I hope more research goes into genetic engineering ASAP. So that once all of the “controversial” genes are discovered–and they if they exist they will eventually be found–we can begin immediate application.
Ms. Grace should still be left alone, even if she is a pretentious humanities-majoring bitch.
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the gap between the average IQ of a white child and a black child has decreased significantly in the last few decades, and continues to do so. look it up. anyone who paid a modicum of attention in sixth-grade biology knows that genetic change cannot occur that rapidly.
white Americans love to act like black people in this country have had all the opportunity in the world to be successful. it’s almost like we’re rooting for them to succeed, but not really. kind of like when girls say one thing and do another, cuz roissy knows girls are totally like that! it’s obvious that those in power limit racial and ethnic minorities’ access to resources that would, in turn, give them power. this is pretty much true anywhere.
AND ROISSY, YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW DICK ABOUT LIFE. YOU KNOW LESS ABOUT LITERATURE THAN YOU DO ABOUT GIRLS. YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND 1984 AT ALL.
ORWELL WAS A LEFT-WING SOCIALIST…HE WAS OPPOSED TO RIGHT-WING IDEOLOGY. ROISSY IS WINSTON’S BIG-BROTHER-LOVING NEIGHBOR.
YOU CAN GO SHAVE YOUR BACK NOW, OR WANK OFF TO PICTURES OF THE HITLER YOUTH.
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elenaor rosevelt said that great minds talk about ideas and small minds talk about people lozlzlzlzlz.
that’s why small minds go into sociology and law and then fuck themselves in their own ass by talkng about peopl’s iqs based on tehir skin color lzozlzzloozlzlzzl she fucked herself in her own ass by majoring in sociology but her big mistake was taking her head out of her ass and spiiting racialist shit at her “freinds” lzozlzozzllzlzzozozzlzl
now i never did eleanor roosevelt but now there’s a woman that wouldn’t correct your grammar if ya know what i’m talkin’ about yo.lzozlzlozozlzlzo
and before teh necon grammar ppolice incacerate me racist is a real word lzozlzl
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the orwellian butthex police state:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-a-sin.html
lololzzzzz
Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin
A Christian street preacher was arrested and locked in a cell for telling a passer-by that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God.
the neocons got him!
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@Editor
“red hair adds half a point.”
The price of henna just went up.
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The Ali G. stuff is hilarious. Baron Cohen has gone downhill since then.
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There’s someone different contributing to this blog, now. I don’t believe most of the editor comments posted here are roissy.
It’s not just the shift in focus. The ideology is different, too. Subtle difference, but different just the same.
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greatbooksformen said, “the orwellian butthex police state:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-a-sin.html
lololzzzzz
Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin A Christian street preacher was arrested and locked in a cell for telling a passer-by that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God.
the neocons got him!”
Neocons? Not quite. It’s the liberal/leftard police state: Be tolerant or else, belief in God is evil. (This what happens when you vote for Democrats.)
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Now we know what a law student can’t talk about. In case you missed it look at what a supreme court justice can get away with saying after she has proved her bona fides through a life of service to the fiat bankers:
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae—in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion….
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/07/14/does-ruth-bader-ginsburg-support-eugenics.html
Note the MSM and powers that be never even forced Ginsburg to even explain what she meant by this, never mind asking that she removed from the bench.
Which populations did she mean by “populations that we don’t want too many of” and what group of people did she mean by “we”?
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If you really want to ruin someone’s life, admit them into Mensa. That’s the biggest bunch of no-account losers I’ve ever seen in my life. I’m not just using hyperbole here. To a person, they are unemployed, or at best they work at Kroger or something. Hang out with Mensans for a while and you might re-evaluate the value of a high-IQ score.
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Oh, and, A) what did this person say that was so wrong; seems like she kept an open mind with an allowance for scientific evidence to sway her either way. B) what did anyone do to her besides say that she did say something racist, as opposed to, say, string her up from the nearest tree? People on both sides are entitled to their speech, and Roissy is entitled to his, non-sequitur though it may be.
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the only thing preventing Orwell´s nightmares from becoming reality is the inherent insolvency of the Liberal State
the coming wave of sovereign defaults will pretty much wipe out most of the expansion in the welfare state of the last couple generations
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i cannot believe that i had to read that far down into the comments before someone mentioned the obvious. sorry folks, you can mention all the population averages and heritability statistics you want. it doesn’t change one simple fact: population-level statistics are only meaningful for populations. they do not have valid predictive power on individuals; not in the way you want them to have.
this is really a basic statistical concept. once you grasp that it should be clear why much of what gets touted under the banner of HBD is… well, it simply is not particularly useful unless your purpose is to feel good about yourself because you happened to be born to a particular race.
if you guys want to tell “the truth”, go for it. scream truth from the mountaintops and i will support your right to free speech. a lot of what i read here, far from truth, is a bunch of flipped victim-mongoring and racial cheerleading.
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1-bunch of racists on this board.
2- No fucking way is she a 6.5 or a 7.
No fucking way!
She is barely a 5.
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“the gap between the average IQ of a white child and a black child has decreased significantly in the last few decades, and continues to do so. look it up. anyone who paid a modicum of attention in sixth-grade biology knows that genetic change cannot occur that rapidly.”
It simply means that due to better nutrition children are maturing faster, the gap still shows up after maturity.
It’s the same case with boys and girls in maths, the gap widens when boys hit puberty.
That’s why stupid feminist research focuses on kids doing simple questions at elementary levels and screams discrimination at the top level.
“ORWELL WAS A LEFT-WING SOCIALIST…HE WAS OPPOSED TO RIGHT-WING IDEOLOGY.”
Haha so? If he was present now he would know the right side to choose.
How the left betrayed the IQ bell curve liberals:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/129.html
P.S.- Moderation sucks.
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the information-theoretic value of the shade of someone’s skin in determining their intelligence is so minuscule that it is dwarfed by the amount of information you get from observing them speak for 10 seconds or reading a paragraph they have written
Yeah. Because after you just look at a girl, no matter how beautiful or ugly, you can only think about her readership skills or eloquence to decide if you are attracted or not to her.
Also, after you just look at a guy accross the street without knowing how he writes or how he speaks you simply cannot evaluate if he is a threat to you or not
We cannot forget the Supreme Impossibility of Security in the XXIst century. Although there is a consensus about the reality of Islamic Terrorism, no one can discern any sort of pattern in terrorists themselves. Take a look at 9/11, all those 19 dudes had absolutely nothing at all in common.
Take me for example. I was born in July. ANd we know that terrorists can be born at any month, so when I was born I had the same probability of being a terrorist than a boy born in Gaza Strip at the same day.
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. it doesn’t change one simple fact: population-level statistics are only meaningful for populations. they do not have valid predictive power on individuals;
the best thing about HBD/race threads is how they help save my mondays and fridays. I usually go out on sunday and thurday´s night, so I am usually stoned at work on mondays and fridays
I need this kind of retarded and deranged commenters just to make me angry and awake.
Think about it, irrational lions in the savannah by just looking at some herbivores, even of different species, can infer lots of stuff and decide which individual they gonna attack.
But humans cannot do that, since as the Sage of WordPress quoted above says, group statistics serve no purpose as sources of information concerning individuals
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gig,
is english your first language?
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I’m attracted to eloquent, good readers with brains. What was your point? My momma always said, stupid is as stupid does.
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“it doesn’t change one simple fact: population-level statistics are only meaningful for populations. they do not have valid predictive power on individuals;”
They might not have predictive power over the individual’s capabilities themselves but they certainly do tell us how far from the mean he lies.And considering whether he is above or below average, what options he can have.
If there’s entry only for the top x% of individuals, it makes a lot of difference, if the group from which they are selected have different sub-groups that have different means and different amount of outliers than what can be inferred by a simple look at their compositions.
La griffe du lion makes some excellent observations with the same concept and demolishes many petty lies.Look him up.
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Drum
If you don’t realize that 1984 was written as a thorough indictment of totalitarianism, and that it had the totalitarianism of Stalin most in mind, then you understand absolutely nothing about the book.
Orwell may have believed in some aspects of socialism and been against the class privileges of England, but he was very much breaking with Stalinist apologists on the left, who were think on the ground at the time he wrote the book in Britain.
The gap between the average IQ of white and black adults is not narrowing most evidence shows. Leftist lie extensively on this topic by cherry picking their evidence.
Lenin ridiculed “bourgeois truth”. Feminists and leftists frequently lie or misrepresent up the yin yang “for the larger truth”.
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This is spoken as an alum of HLS — this is just one more example why that institution and the actual education received there was a complete waste of time and money. Note that I say the “actual education.” The degree — the power of the credential and resulting market influence — was well worth the time and money. But the courses were crap, the thinking less than rigorous, and everywhere you went were self-satisfied, incurious glib tenure-mongers and their acolytes each striving to outdo the other in spewing the most pious, bland, self-satisfied, non-liberal-convention-challenging pap that they could manage (while pretending they were “speaking the truth to power” — what power?)
There’s no shock that the student email was Asian. They were vastly over-represented, as they always are at elite institutions, but they were still getting badly discriminated against in favor of the black students. Meanwhile, the Black Law Student Assoc. (BLSA) and the local GLBTQ Lambda chapter held veto power over all conversation on campus. We had a similar incident during my tenure where a foolish 1L student’s email critical of blacks was circulated broadly and resulted in apologies from the Dean and severe discipline on the student daring to express an opinion.
The idea that there is any need to control for “hate speech” or to avoid “intimidation” of blacks et al. is ludicrous. The only hate speech and intimidation is that practiced by the so-called “oppressed groups.”
That said, I’m with the commenter who said the flaw was writing it down. Everyone should know you cannot create a paper trail of any kind when dealing with the diversity Gestapo.
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gig,
I think you’re missing my point. Although the value of someone’s skin color as a clue to their intelligence is small, it is obviously somewhat useful if it is the ONLY thing you know about the person. But in almost all the situations in which you evaluate individuals you will have so much other information that the residual impact of knowing someone’s skin color is completely negligible.
Here’s a way to test that. Find a mixed high school English class and have the students each write a 100-word essay on a subject with some quantitative complexity (to get at both math and verbal skills).
Show one bunch of graders the essays and ask them to guess the IQ of the authors. Show another bunch of graders a picture of the person’s hand as they write their essay (so as to get skin color only, since intelligence can also be partially inferred from other charateristics) as well as the essay. Show a 3rd bunch of graders the picture only.
The 3rd bunch (assuming they are not blinded by political correctness) will certainly do better than the default guess of “100 for everyone”. But the 1st group of graders will not only do tremendously better than the 3rd group, I predict it will also not do measurably worse than the 2nd group. (Note that I am not saying there is no residual information in the picture over and above the essay content, just that the 2nd group of graders will not be able to use it — my suspicion is that they will actually err in the direction of overemphasizing the correlation with skin color because they will not have realized they already captured most of that correlation when grading the essay).
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lol I think they would rather use the handwriting to judge the IQ like SAT essays.
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Polymath–
That was well explained.
Though it takes a pretty solid level of IQ to really understand what you said I think, and a lot more to have come up w/it.
Which way people err when they have BOTH the essay and the skin color as input might well be a pretty good indicator of how deeply they’ve imbibed the PC coolaid, versus how prejudiced they are.
I’m pretty sure my IQ evaluations would be the same if whether I was in the 1st or 2nd group of graders. A lot of PC idiots would give a compensatory boost to the black hands.
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I distinctly remember being ostracized in high school after telling that class that black people, are on average, more likely to commit a crime than white people.
Somehow I went on to a far superior college (bullshitting of course in my applications how committed I was to the PC version of social justice) than all but 1 of my classmates. Eventually the ability to see the truth will help you in life even if it hurts you socially at times.
Also agree with above poster who thinks the comments are not from Roissy. When “Roissy” called that girl a 7 I almost choked. Though perhaps I have been living in Europe too long and my expectations have changed.
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by the way, at the end of the day this is not even close to being a story about race and it seems completely foolish to make it one. this is from a gawker article:
The Harvard tipster tells us:
Yelena soon embarked on a mission. She began posting mean messages on pictures of Stephanie on Facebook. Unsatisfied, she apparently dug up the email and forwarded it to a few choice recipients—either directly to members of the Black Law Student Association or people she knew had connections to the BLSA. She wanted the now six month-old email to cause a splash.
if you’re going to reference 1984 remember how that society was organized. the inner party had no ideology other than control. they used ideology as a means of manipulating the outer party and controlling the proles.
this is two chicks having a cat fight. and it shouldn’t be given any more dignity than it deserves.
[editor: it became a lot more than two chicks having a cat fight when the dean of hls entered the fray to spark up a two minutes hate against the impertinent victim.]
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@HLS
“This is spoken as an alum of HLS — this is just one more example why that institution and the actual education received there was a complete waste of time and money. Note that I say the “actual education.” The degree — the power of the credential and resulting market influence — was well worth the time and money. But the courses were crap, the thinking less than rigorous, and everywhere you went were self-satisfied, incurious glib tenure-mongers and their acolytes each striving to outdo the other in spewing the most pious, bland, self-satisfied, non-liberal-convention-challenging pap that they could manage (while pretending they were “speaking the truth to power” — what power?) ”
Hehe. Spouting the phrase “speaking the truth to power”
is a sixties conditioned reflex. Any attempt to attach
a literl meaning makes it fall apart (even aside from
the self-assertion of “truth”).
Valerie Jarret, somewhere in the Obama administration,
talks about “speaking truth to power”, which is hilarious
coming from the presidential administration. They ARE
the power for chrissakes!
On another subject: Filling out the pronouns, like
“WE” and “THEY” in Ruth Baader-“Mainhof”‘s
ululations:
This usually clarfies issues.
Back in during the Vietnam war (never mind
where your sympathies are, not my point),
some public person said “they don’t love their
children as much as we do”. This was derided
by everybody. But it was completely true.
Truth is being laid bare when you substitute
actual people for the pronouns. “They” were
the North Vietnamese leadership. “We” were,
ultimately the America public – the US is a
democracy after all. And yes, people love their
own children more than apparachicks love somebody
else’s (even in the same country) children.
QED.
Thor
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Thanks for the added info. It sounded analogous to Martha Stewart’s situation where Stewart’s friend had no other motivation than envy: the added info just confirms it.
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jr–
You’re missing the point.
The point isn’t who outed her and why.
The point is the furious PC (inner party) reaction to her post the outing, including concerted efforts to wreck her legal career, beginning by urging the 9th circuit federal judge who has offered her a (very prestigious and career valuable) clerkship after she graduates, to rescind the offer due to the PC hullabaloo.
It seems the iconoclastic conservative judge she’s clerking for won’t, but she’s likely to get a lot fewer and narrower range of job offers after the clerkship is over because she’s been made PC radioactive. “You’re thinking of hiring the HLS 3L student who wrote those emails furiously attacked as racist? Do we need that exposure? What if she says similar things publicly while she’s here?”.
Big risk anyway.
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The point is PC censorship by after the fact massive shaming and elite career destroying, or the very serious possibility of that. A near certainty if she kept it up publicly. That btw is why she apologized.
It’s much harder to control proles in this way or even the middle, but those in or headed to high positions are another thing entirely.
It was used to silence and severely punish James Watson on the same topic, and Larry Summers on a feminist taboo. It works by terrifying all their colleagues, and essentially everyone in the upper middle class and above.
Who on this forum writes on the “uncovering pretty lies” side of these issues under their real name?
There’s a reason for that. A strong one. This one.
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i get the point; i just don’t entirely agree. the particular ideology is almost beside the point. truth exists aside from ideology. if you spend too much time either completely supporting or completely fighting against any particular set of beliefs, chances are you’re missing the forest for the trees.
anyway, spend some time watching these and you’ll see a true orwellian nightmare:
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is english your first language?
I use english as a language like you use logic as a brain process. As a secondary instrument aimed at less necessary tasks
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Until bitches be gettin the gina tingles from geeks and such acting all vacant and aspergery, instead of dim ripped black stallions who can dunk a ball as sure as swagger, this shit be wack yo! Wat a bout us? Yu bees scared to live on the planet Vulcan? Don’t hate those gifted with tha high-Q! Propagate us mo-fos as the nuevo-Alpho, and we’ll make the world one big techno-ghetto, complete with 3-D smell-a-vision and unlimited fusion power. Betta axe sumbody.
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I think you’re missing my point. Although the value of someone’s skin color as a clue to their intelligence is small, it is obviously somewhat useful if it is the ONLY thing you know about the person
OK. But I maintain my points: you don´t need anything but physical appearance to decide if you are physically attrac ted or not by a girl. Also, nothing but physical appearance is necessary to say if another guy is a threat or not.
I won´t elaborate further, I can only say that once you realize the truth of the paragraph above, you can´t escape from realizing how much racist it is.
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I use english as a language like you use logic as a brain process. As a secondary instrument aimed at less necessary tasks
Well there goes your answer jr. Obviously his 1st language is passive aggressive bitchiness. 😀
Rare to see a 3rd worlder so passive aggressive though.
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j r
See the first minute of the second video in the series and look at one of the comments.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/08/vbs.north.korea/index.html
Read the comments of two people on the first page of comments section who have to been North Korea and how their experiences differ from the buffoon who made those videos.
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My mistake – I thought the emailer in question was Asian. I would say that it was funny to hear about this all arising from a Yenta cat-fight, if the poster above is right, but after my mistake with the last name “Grace” (thinking her Korean) I’ll not leap to the same conclusion about a woman named Yelena Shagall.
I will confirm, however, that HLS chicks, while not very attractive as a group, are on average quite slutty. Given the level of neuroses present in those girls, I guess that’s hardly surprising.
[editor: well, lawyer chicks in general are pretty slutty, so harvard law chicks must be the cream of the cock slurpers.]
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[editor: well, lawyer chicks in general are pretty slutty, so harvard law chicks must be the cream of the cock slurpers.]
On average, yes. Lots of variation though. A fair number were the domineering variety of ball-shriveling hyper-cunt who glommed onto some groveling PC beta and parceled out some occasional pussy in exchange for exclusivity. I don’t doubt most of that type would have spread it for most any alpha, though. One girl I knew was known for scavenging rough guys off the internet for one-night stands. Lord only knows what kind of radioactive STDs she had picked up.
One of my personal favorite memories involves a chick in my Equal Protection Law class. She was hyper, uber-liberal, even more militantly than most women there, liked to spout her opinions in class, and also happened to have HUGE tits but never wore a bra to class. My buddy and I used to take turns pointing out whenever the high-beams were out. One day, she and I got into a debate about a case result, and she was getting the worst of it. And then the high-beams flipped on big-time just as she was fumbling for an argument. So I just said, very casually, “Hey, there’s no need to get so excited about it,” with a slight glance chestward, and her face got BEET red. She was practically stammering, but of course she couldn’t accuse me of anything.
I’d like to say I ended up fucking her, but I didn’t, though in retrospect (and after reading more about game) I think I probably could have. Still made me laugh ’til my sides hurt though.
[editor: heh. nicely played. excellent use of plausible deniability, which i’d imagine you’d be expert at deploying in a hair trigger environment like hls.]
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Harvard (speaking of) used to have a test for how racist you are. They now do it as a test for how “weightist” you are:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1
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“if liberals didn’t take IQ so seriously, why were they throwing a party when that faulty study came out purporting to show libs have higher average IQs than conservatives? hmm?”
I didn’t say liberals, I said academics, which is the relevant group when discussing Harvard faculty. Yes, there’s considerable overlap, but nobody’s going to argue that there aren’t idiot liberals out there.
“is this supposed to be a point?”
The point is that you’re throwing a hissy fit over one woman possibly having her career derailed by some remarks, when 50 years ago it was commonplace for people to have their lives destroyed by the mere suggestion that they might have once had a leftist thought. Your sympathy rings hollow given that it only applies to persecuted voices that happen to agree with you.
“you just don’t like it when i say things you disagree with.”
I love it when people disagree with me, as long as they have some facts to back up their perspective. You have yet to offer anything but the pathetic Palin/Beck-style inanity in support of your political positions. If you have some sound arguments, I’d love to hear them.
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@twiceaday:
The point is that you’re throwing a hissy fit over one woman possibly having her career derailed by some remarks, when 50 years ago it was commonplace for people to have their lives destroyed by the mere suggestion that they might have once had a leftist thought. Your sympathy rings hollow given that it only applies to persecuted voices that happen to agree with you.
This is utter hogwash. America was under Roosevelt for 12 years and 4 years of Truman after that. Both administrations were riddled with Communists and people couldn’t be vocally sympathetic of Communism like now, but they were every bit as leftist. Why do you think the left went after Nixon as they did? Because of the Alger Hiss incident. Hiss really was a communist and all of the sympathizers on the left felt he had been unjustly persecuted. Watergate was revenge for that, because Whitaker Chambers had been a Nixon protoge.
Why do you think so many in Government hated McCarthy? Because they were leftists and main stream. They just called themselves liberals, to fool everybody and hide their true intentions, just as the left continues to do today in America. So what you’re really saying is that you’re no better than McCarthy. You bastards have been undermining the country for a long time. Too long in my estimation. Now you can’t lie about Communists anymore, because its plain for all to see now. The Left in America make McCarthy seem like an angel. He was in fact right and the government was full of communists after 16 years of Democrat governance. Don’t underestimate the capabilities of the KGB to cultivate useful idiots as fellow travellers and information sources.
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Why give a shit about some cumslut whose sexual market value is slim to none and will be worthless in the hallowed eyes of Roissy once the first wrinkle appears on her ghostly chubby face?
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Bhetti said to Doug:
Trade off is from what I’ve read mixed race children seem to have more mental/behavioural problems, probably from family instability at the first generation.
I doubt this Bhetti.
Studies have shown that women are much more conservative about who they would consider having children with than men, so they usually pick someone of their own ethnicity.
Women who preferentially have children with men of a different ethnicity to their own, most likely:
1. Have a Risk/Novelty seeking disposition
2. Are bi-polar, or especially hypo-manic
The end result is that they pass on this disposition to their children. Adults or children that have the first disposition are more likely to be drug abusers, while those of the second variety are more likely to be hyper-sexual in their manic phases, and be sexually promiscuous.
Are these the kinds of mental/behavioural problems you are thinking about?
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[…] have weighed in on the issue at Gawker, Jezebel, Feministe, Bossip, Steve Sailer’s Blog, Roissy and other message boards. Some are now calling, fairly actively in some cases, for the […]
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@Socially Graceful
90+% of lawyers are bloodsucking parasites — straight up.
90+% of law positions should be eliminated, and the former lawyers ought to find real jobs in fields producing things of actual value.
That is one of the main problems in the modern USA: there are just too many swarming parasites trying to suck the blood of a very weak and still weakening host (the USA and her citizenry); I doubt this prostrate host can handle too much more blood-loss before it drops dead, as the symptoms of its decreasing vitality and sickness are evident all around us.
Excellent observation. This is the heart of what is wrong with America. We have made being a parasite too profitable and it was the legal profession and their minions in the Democrat party that have created this state of affairs. I have heard that the legal profession costs the US economy soem 1 trillion per year in lost productivity as well as in what doesn’t get done out of fear of lawsuits. Don’t know if this figure is correct or if it could even be accurately measured, but it sounds right to me.
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That Guy:
Thanks. No.1 especially makes sense. In practice, seems to be what happens with them although wasn’t thinking of promiscuity as a behavioural problem.
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That Guy:
I was thinking criminality/mental health. Haven’t read much on it, to fully disclose.
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There is much confusion about the so-called
McCarthy era.
On one side, there was Senator McCarthy,
who claimed that lots of high-up federal officials
were communists. He was – LONG after his death –
proven right, the NSA had cracked the “Verona”
cipher, but could not go public with that. Yeai
for McC.
On the other was House Unamerican Activities
Committee, which ran a much overrated but
real witch-hunt among Hollywood actors and the
like. NOTE: This was NOT run by McC, as senators
don’t run “House-“anything.
Nils
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she is a victim in the same way that some annoying borad in a bar who convinces one guy to beat up another over some arbitrary slight is a “victim.”
to take sides in this is to be played.
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I feel like I should say something because I am black, but..I’m in medical school and not law school, so I’ll sit out this debate. Interesting read though.
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Harvard Law students are not in the “pursuit of truth.” They’re not scientists. They’re not researchers. They’re law students and legal academics. I presume that everyone there is manifestly unqualified to evaluate the scientific evidence one way or the other. It’s rebuttable. If they show me their scientific creds, I’ll listen. Until then, STFU.
Would-be conservative intellectuals—like Volokh and Andrew Sullivan (though I like his blog in general)—enjoy wanking about “IQ science” for reasons I’ve outlined elsewhere. But what’s amazing to me is that they don’t realize how far all this wanking is from any actual science. Standardized tests simply don’t measure a real quantity in the way that, say, temperature or mass measurements do. In fact, the quantity they seek to measure isn’t even defined. There is not any sort of solid model for how the human brain arrives at its answers on these tests, either. It’s just not science.
[editor: chronometric reaction times correlate strongly with iq.]
I sometimes wonder how much of the idiocy of our high-level public discourse is caused by the scientific and quantitative illiteracy of the vast majority of its participants.
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Hahaha. Retards. Orwellian nightmare, to you pumpkin cunts, is not being able to freely make stupid comments about race. Yeah.
[editor: so you’re against free speech then?]
But all the bush/cheney’s Warrantless wiretaps is not orwellian, weird. Bush/cheney’s singular concept of the unitary executive, you are strangely okay with. Bush/cheney blanket justification for pretty much everything “we are at war…with al qeada…as such, the president has carte blanche”…that stupid power-grap argument, on the other hand, you repukelicans do not find orwellian. Lack of miranda rights and endless detention/rendition is not orwellian nightmare. Oh yeah, that the arizona police randomnly searching/seizing anybody that “look like an immigrant” is not orwellian(reminiscence of nazi germany jewish policies). You think it is going to stop with “looking like immigrants”? You are a moron if you think so. Read history, it never stops there. Government encroachment never stops there. No. But strangely, that is not orwellian to you republican shitweed. To you retards, universal healthcare is more invasive than warrantless wiretaps or random search/seizure of “people who look like immigrants”. What a bunch of stupid block of ice.
What is orwellian for you addled-cortex retards with mucus-for-brains is some P.C shit about race. That spells the end for you. Not all the abuse/invasion of privacy by bush/cheney using 9/11 as a cover. You lads are truly a bloody waste of toilet space.
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Hey, TCoO,
I find it interesting and very revealing, not that you have such obvious hate for Republicans (you have real reasons for that), but that you ASSUME that the people complaining about HLS’s suppression of free speech are Republicans, and thus give yourself permission to abuse them in an extraordinarily foul and hateful way.
Can you please identify by name which of the posters here complaining about HLS have defended Bush/Cheney or called themselves Republicans, with citations?
(By the way, in what I have said I have not committed myself to either side of the debate about justifying the Bush/Cheney policies or the Arizona law, so don’t start on that; I am asking not about the merits of those issues, but about how you know that the people posting on this thread have the opposite opinion to you on those issues.)
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Asian minority:
1) She writes poorly.
[editor: compared to the typical HLS student, probably true. but she writes better than the majority of americans. small comfort, that.]
I think she writes perfectly fine. And yes, I’d call her a 7 on the 1-10 scale.
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Biting Beaver,
Your first paragraph is basically right on the facts (*most* HLS folks have little or no scientific expertise, and therefore the scientific assertions they make are rebuttable) but draws the wrong conclusion. SOME people who go to law school nevertheless HAVE learned enough science to be able to intelligently discuss particular scientific subjects, especially ones which have relevance to litigation; therefore STFU is completely inappropriate. Furthermore, legal scholars, more than practically anybpdy else, ought to be able to debate “rebuttable” propositions.
Andrew Sullivan is NOT conservative by any stretch of the imagination (though he used to be, is is now simply weird).
I am a professional statistician, and your assertion that psychometrics is “not science” is ridiculously false. It is not as “hard” a science as physics, but it provides genuine (if not absolutely complete) explanations of puzzling observed phenomena, and makes real and verifiable predictions. The stability of, and correlations between, the results of standardized tests are a solid empirical fact. Of course the way the brain works is not very well understood, but that doesn’t mean that “intelligence” fails to refer to something which can be scientifically investigated. It is undoubtedly multidimensional and not fully captured by any single number, but there is no doubt that scores on various standardized tests provide enough predictive information about future academic performance and job performance to be genuinely useful to schools and employers.
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Biting Beaver—
Standardized IQ tests are among the most rigorous and replicable and replicated bits of social science, outside of perhaps some aspects of economics. There are different strengths in intelligence, but in most people they’re highly correlated. The underlying correlated factor (estimated through factor analysis) is defined as “g”. That’s what they for some time now mostly seek to measure. Some tests do a more perfect job of that than others. SAT tests are an avowedly more (educationally) applied and somewhat less g loaded form of IQ test. It’s vital for example that its takers be able to read English when the test is given in that language; else it will be far from measuring g.
Isn’t however this whole discussion a form of rape by the males here you are opposing, in your view?
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TCoO,
I didn’t expect you to respond. You are a pathetic loser. Someone like you generates much more positive opinion of the group and positions you are attacking than of the group you belong to or the positions you are defending.
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