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Curiosity, Women And Game

May 3, 2010 by CH

Thursday left a link in the comments to this study showing that couples who do fun and exciting things together have happier marriages.

In a representative sample of long-term married couples in the United States (see Orbuch et al., 2002, for General Social Survey data comparisons), present boredom is positively correlated with a decrease in satisfaction 9 years in the future, an effect that appears to be due to boredom undermining closeness, which in turn undermines satisfaction. The effect size (b 5 􏰀.26) is quite dramatic considering that it predicted regressed change over 9 years and the sample includes only couples still together at year 16. (The 38 couples tested at year 7 who divorced by year 16 were nonsignificantly more bored at year 7 than the 123 couples who remained married.) Furthermore, all results were inde- pendent of relationship tension and conflicts. Previous cross- sectional surveys, hour-to-hour experience-sampling studies, and short-term experiments suggested such a pattern, but this is the first time it has been shown over a significant period of time and in a representative sample.

Mediation by closeness, which had not been directly tested before, integrates central aspects of the self-expansion model. Specifically, it suggests that excitement in relationships facili- tates or makes salient closeness, which in turn promotes satis- faction in the long term. Indeed, closeness may promote satisfaction via other mechanisms known to be associated with promoting satisfaction over time, such as perceived partner re- sponsiveness, transformation of motivation, commitment, com- munal norms, positive illusions, and trust.

Regarding application, these findings show directly, for the first time, that not only conflicts, but also simple boredom, can shape relationships over the long term. Given that short-term experiments demonstrate that couples can reduce boredom with shared exciting activities, the present findings suggest that benefits may be substantial and long lasting, for both husbands and wives and across racial groups—pointing to easy-to-im- plement potential additions to educational, marital preparation, and enrichment programs, and a possible supplementary tool for marital counselors. Thus, as has been found in many other do- mains, increasing rewards may matter as much or more than reducing costs; or, in more contemporary terms, it may be im- portant to focus not just on eliminating negatives, but also on enhancing positives.

This study simply confirms what game practitioners already know: curiosity is a leading indicator of alphaness. Women are drawn to the curious man. Semantically substitute “passion ” for “curiosity” and it becomes clearer why. A man satisfied with his little corner of the world is a boring man. Forget what women say about short men, or ugly men, or old men — the true tingle killer is boredom. A short, ugly, old man with genuine curiosity about the world and people around him can hit well out of his league.

Like most other personality traits, the distribution of curiosity is Gaussian. At one extreme are men like Roosh who are so curious about their place in the world they are willing to leave their homeland and careers to spend years in foreign countries with strange people who speak a strange language. At the other extreme are the semi-vegetative zombies and autisitic cases who need an unchanging daily routine just to function. In the vast middle lie the average everyday incurious Joes… happy with their lives, content to clock in their eight hours, come home to a cold brew, a warm dinner and a kiss from the wife, and occasionally take the family sightseeing in the countryside. Oh, and once in a while go crazy and try a new brand of beer.

Curiosity can exist along many metrics. Travel isn’t the only sign of a curious mind. A man who reads voraciously from all sorts of genres is more curious than the average man. And a well-read man, like a well-traveled man, will have a leg up on the competition when building rapport with a woman.

A lot of so-called alpha haters come to this board to bitch about how “true alphas” wouldn’t go out of their way to learn how to attract women. The common refrain is usually “A real alpha doesn’t worry what women think. He does his own thing.” But the fact is, we are all working hard to satisfy the requirements of the opposite sex, whether or not we consciously acknowledge it or are even aware of what we are doing. A “natural” is simply a man who has been following the precepts of game from an earlier age than most men, and therefore it is a deeper component of his psychology. Likewise, a naturally curious man who has never known what it is like to be incurious will do better with women than less curious men.

People who neglect to shape themselves into the ideal attractiveness archetype demanded by the opposite sex soon lose out to competitors who do. A wife who lets herself go is demonstrating by her actions that she doesn’t care about her husband’s desires. He will soon look elsewhere for pleasure and love. Similarly, and apropos the above study, a husband who stops taking his wife on interesting adventures demonstrates he doesn’t care about her desires. She, too, will then be inclined to wander. Naturally, not every man can reach Rooshian levels of curiosity; or at least, they can’t reach it without significant discomfort to their psyches. To expect otherwise is to assume the average man can alter his personality wholesale for the length of his life. Game requires no such psychological contortions from men. A simple and minor adjustment in the typical man’s curiosity quotient is usually enough to increase his attractiveness to women tenfold.

My advice to the naturally incurious man is as follows:

  1. Find an equally incurious girl (there are more incurious girls than there are incurious men as sociosexuality science would predict, so this shouldn’t be too hard). A woman whose basal inertia level is lackadaisically low will not demand more than a token sign of inquisitiveness from her man. She will be satisfied with small changes to her routine.
  2. Make an effort to push yourself out of your incurious comfort zone. This means focusing your mind on doing something out of the ordinary once in a while. For instance, instead of taking your girl out to dinner next Saturday like every other herbling, go indoor rock climbing with her. The ensuing rush (kept in check by safety ropes and belays) is nature’s perfect vaginal lube.
  3. Learn to LISTEN. Women LOVE LOVE LOVE men who actually listen to them. Listening intently to a woman will make you seem like a curious man, and is especially worthwhile as it gives you valuable information to tailor your game. Note that listening is not quite the same thing as paying strict attention. It’s perfectly acceptable to nod your head and mutter a few uh huhs while she speaks as your mind drifts to wondering about the size of her areolae, as long as you commit to memory at least a couple of her points. You only need to remember a few key words with which to feed back to a girl to wow her as a man who “gets it”.
  4. Do new things if for no other reason than that it will give you material to use during a pickup. Having trouble telling engaging stories to girls? That’s your subconscious telling you that you need a vacation to a place you haven’t yet visited.
  5. Be unpredictable. Unpredictability can make a day trip to the beach seem like a fantastic getaway to a remote fantasy island. A surprise trip once every couple of months will be enough to keep the average vagina tingly and loyal.

Curiosity is win-win for men. You do fun, exciting things, and women become more attracted to you because of it. All it takes is a push off the couch. Given that most men can’t even manage that (“Game’s on, baby. Not now.”), a push off the couch automatically puts you ahead of the vast swath of men who secretly bore their girlfriends and wives.

But there is a downside. Women who are searching for a monogamous relationship should know that highly curious men are also curious about the opposite sex. Like most attractiveness traits that a woman admires in a man, her strongest desire is for that which can potentially hurt her.

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  1. on May 3, 2010 at 11:01 am kaikou

    Best drawing ever!

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  2. on May 3, 2010 at 11:03 am greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozlzlzlzl yes women desire what can hurt them .. . . . so when they see my long dong which roissy almost caputred in the above cartoon lzozlzlzlzlzlz.

    one of teh reasons i lozlzlzlzl al the time is because i used to ask questions.,

    i used 2 ask things like “why?” and “how? and say who wand hows come?

    and so the nice lady @ our school put me on state sanctified drugs lzolzlzlzllzzl

    and then i stopped asking my stoooooopid questiosn and just stayed in my single mom’s basment as told playing veidoegames and shooting hookers and getting my money back in grand theft auto as the fiat masters created a game about jacking cars and mashing buttons as they mash buttons with ben bernanke and jack homes and pensions lzozllzozlzlozzlzl

    i follow all of roissy’s advice but cant seem to find a girl what am i doing worng? sorry for the questions i know ithe sate does not want me to ask lzozlzlzllz

    and after taking all that ritalin one day i just saw a hot girl and first thing in my mind was lzozlzlzlzlz omg lzolzlzlzlzl

    and now i sit in class and anything the teacher says i go lozlzlz yes m’am lzolzzl yes bernanke yes goldman sachs that is not my anus and that is not your cock in it lzozlzlzozlzozloozlzlz

    well here i am following roissy’s advice lozlzlz:

    1. Find an equally incurious girl (there are more incurious girls than there are incurious men as sociosexuality science would predict, so this shouldn’t be too hard). A woman whose basal inertia level is lackadaisically low will not demand more than a token sign of inquisitiveness from her man. She will be satisfied with small changes to her routine.

    YAH! I finally found another ritalin reject who had all her questions drugged out of her and we sit on teh couch playing world of warcraft going lzozlz zolz zloozlzlz lzoozzlzzloo together but it never gets beyond that and i don’t know her name as i guess i am incurious lzozllzl.

    2. Make an effort to push yourself out of your incurious comfort zone. This means focusing your mind on doing something out of the ordinary once in a while. For instance, instead of taking your girl out to dinner next Saturday like every other herbling, go indoor rock climbing with her. The ensuing rush (kept in check by safety ropes and belays) is nature’s perfect vaginal lube.

    yah one time instead having my single mom bring us down nachos with chees i had her suprprise my girl with nachos without cheese lzozlzlozozzozlzlzl and then i think her vaginal region tingled but im not sure as we just plaid world of warcraft anyways lozlzllzl in teh game she is my wizard princess lzozlzlzl which i like lzozlzllzlzl

    3. Learn to LISTEN. Women LOVE LOVE LOVE men who actually listen to them. Listening intently to a woman will make you seem like a curious man, especially as it gives you valuable information to tailor your game. Note that listening is not quite the same thing as paying strict attention. It’s perfectly acceptable to nod your head and mutter a few uh huhs while she speaks as your mind drifts to wondering about the size of her areolae, as long as you commit to memory at least a couple of her points. You only need to remember a few key words with which to feed back to a girl to wow her as a man who “gets it”.

    yah i know i ask “do you wanna play world of warcraft?” and i listen to her yes and she likes me for it lzozlzlzllzlzlzl then i say do you wanna like you know lzozlzzozl give me some? lzozlzlzozlzlzl and she goes lzozlzlzl don’t be silly you’re nmy gay ritalin-oding friend lozllz

    4. Do new things if for no other reason than that it will give you material to use during a pickup. Having trouble telling engaging stories to girls? That’s your subconscious telling you that you need a vacation to a place you haven’t yet visited.

    yeah i took her upstairs once but then hear mom’s boyfirend and mom gettin on lzozlzlzozozlolzlzomg lzozlzl were they getting it on so i took her back downstairs and we masturabeted to a copy of the weekly standrad my mom’s boyfirend had left there. it was the one with the article about the 6 foot tall secrtive taper of butthex glorifying his work lzozlzlzozlzlzlzl. mom’s boyfriend is a republican. lozlzlzlzlzlz

    5. Be unpredictable. Unpredictability can make a day trip to the beach seem like a fantastic getaway to a remote fantasy island. A surprise trip once every couple of months will be enough to keep the average vagina tingly and loyal.

    yah tell me about it i never let her know when my supro=ise trip to the bathroom is gonna be to let the nachos out lzozlzozlzlzoz zlzozlzlz omg i need some ritalin as i am not lozozozlzozlzoz right today.

    lozlzllzzl 1!

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  3. on May 3, 2010 at 11:07 am sdaedalus

    I love the way that the girl is a redhead.

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  4. on May 3, 2010 at 11:17 am Doug1

    Oh yeah.

    This whole post is so true.

    Learn to LISTEN. Women LOVE LOVE LOVE men who actually listen to them. Listening intently to a woman will make you seem like a curious man, and is especially worthwhile as it gives you valuable information to tailor your game. Note that listening is not quite the same thing as paying strict attention. It’s perfectly acceptable to nod your head and mutter a few uh huhs while she speaks as your mind drifts to wondering about the size of her areolae, as long as you commit to memory at least a couple of her points. You only need to remember a few key words with which to feed back to a girl to wow her as a man who “gets it”.

    This has really worked for me.

    Though this always came naturally to me.

    It’s something smart but perhaps not so socially adept guys ought to find not so had to learn i think. Like many things when first learning them, the guy is likely to think it will seem phony. Just do it anyway.

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  5. on May 3, 2010 at 11:22 am Juro

    Sorry, but I’m not about to listen to a woman go on & on just for the sake of curiosity. That’s what prostitutes are for–more action & less talk.

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  6. on May 3, 2010 at 11:27 am Bhetti

    Doug: Commenting about how awesome you are at this has deprived me of the pleasure. I could have shared a vignette about how you make me go places I wouldn’t go.

    I am so upset with you.

    😉

    Still, this post has alarmed me personally in one way, in that I’m aware of another dimension of what works with me. I have a ridiculous level of curiosity, but does that mean I must only find a man who equals or exceeds it, with the caveat that he’s likely to stray?

    Are adventurousness and intellectual curiosity the same thing?

    I’m making the distinction because I’m thinking of one very curious man, the archetype of the high IQ professor. He’s vastly knowledgeable and more often than not just on his specialised topic but he doesn’t convey it, certainly not to a woman. Not in a way the typical woman finds interesting.

    I know you do both and some rare men do, but it’s very rare.

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  7. on May 3, 2010 at 11:37 am greatbooksformen

    “Are adventurousness and intellectual curiosity the same thing? ”

    yes! when i adventure down on her with my snorkel and scuba gear i go what is this? What is this? and i tear out the crabs and toss them aside lzozlzlzlzl

    youheard about how like 1 out of 4 college women has herpes lzozlzlzozllz but u know it’s higher because think about the poll “hey do you have herpes?” zllzozlzlzlzlzlllzzlzozlzl

    from personal adventures and curiosity of my own oi would say there are about as many women with smelly stds as there are without hymens lzozlzllzlzllz

    hence the snorkel gear i keep under my bed with a self-contained breathing apparatus. lozlzlz

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  8. on May 3, 2010 at 11:37 am Willy Wonka

    I hate being in the same place too long… I always wondered why I was so different than other people who seem to function fine in the working an 8 to 5 living in the same city type of routine.

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  9. on May 3, 2010 at 11:51 am Madras

    Good stuff and this is an indirect but large part of the reason that financial sucess (on its own) is no longer a huge factor in getting women.

    In days gone by, you needed means to have an interesting life. As travel and exotic food and adventures in general (and everything in general for that matter) have gotten cheaper and easier to come by, money is no longer the biggest factor in living an interesting life.

    Anyone can sail now. Anyone can go to Europe. Anyone in a non-podunk city can eat Vietmanese on a Tuesday. Anyone can download a foreign film in a matter of minutes.

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  10. on May 3, 2010 at 11:52 am dick fuel

    male lefties earn 5% more than male righties

    female lefties earn 4% less than female righties

    dick fuel decree #686:

    males are rewarded for risk taking whilst females are rewarded for conformity.

    best drawing to date.

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  11. on May 3, 2010 at 11:53 am Jay

    Yeah I heard before that the biggest predictor of the amount of sexual partners a man has is his “openness to new experiences”, or something like that.

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  12. on May 3, 2010 at 12:04 pm ASF

    Wish I was conscious of this several years ago.

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  13. on May 3, 2010 at 12:09 pm PA

    Learn to LISTEN. Women LOVE LOVE LOVE men who actually listen to them.

    This also helps you let her do 80% of the talking. Men shouldn’t be too chatty because that kills your mystique and increases the odds of saying somethign beta. The only purpose of anything we say on a date is to increase her attraction level.

    So many times I’d see a young couple on a date with the guy, thinking he’s being dominant, blah-blah-blahing while she strains to not glaze her eyes.

    It’s perfectly acceptable to nod your head and mutter a few uh huhs while she speaks as your mind drifts to wondering about the size of her areolae

    As Charile Sheen’s character on “Two and Half Men” advised is hopeless nerd brother Alan, paraphrased here: “When she’s upset, even furius with you and she’s ranting, just say ‘I understand’ every once in a while. No ned to listen to what she’s actually saying. Works like magic.”

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  14. on May 3, 2010 at 12:13 pm Editor

    R is right…I had the best sex ever after going to a indoor rock climbing thing w/ a certain special someone, long time ago. at the time to get in was $60 bucks a couple. now its around $90 and up.

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  15. on May 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm Editor

    the whole thing about listening…if women could just stop the OCD they’d be ok. even I cannot listen to my mom, girlfreinds, female coworkers go on and on about everything…OCCD: obsessive complusive communicating disorder. they mean well, but gawd, I like silence. so god bless the man who can just stand there, nod and smile.

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  16. on May 3, 2010 at 12:26 pm Eumaios

    Listen, but don’t be too eager to affirm. She should be wondering what you’re thinking, whether you approve. A vaguely skeptical, contemplative expression followed by a non-committal grunt works wonders. Note well, though, that you can take this too far. Less hostility, more amusement.

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  17. on May 3, 2010 at 12:35 pm Bhetti

    Women got the ‘listen to her’ advice right?

    Although I’m sure the ‘pretend you’re listening’ clause didn’t come in.

    For more sophisticated listening tactics. Summarise what she said back to her, go back to something she said earlier in the conversation, ask insightful/challenging questions that pick up from what she said or build from it. Ask for clarification.

    If you’re listening, you can lead the conversation where you want it to go much more easily.

    Madras:
    Anyone can but that is certainly far from them willing to do so.

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  18. on May 3, 2010 at 12:38 pm Dave

    Yeah, let her do all the talking. A women I dated (that’s the lie I tell myself so don’t jump on me) was so self-absorbed about wanting to have a baby and the shit her female friends did to her that it took her three months to figure out that my politics were, uh, not normal for where I lived. “Shit, you’re a republican – I bet you voted for Bush!”

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  19. on May 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm Dave

    You have to be careful with this curiosity stuff. The SWPL chicks won’t like it if they sense you’re analytically considering the underpinnings of their world view (they consider this level of curiosity indecent). Another women told me: “I don’t think this will work out. You have opinions and think things through”. Translation: Your iconoclasm will embarrass me among my SWPL friends.

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  20. on May 3, 2010 at 12:48 pm Doug1

    Bhetti–

    Are adventurousness and intellectual curiosity the same thing?

    I’m making the distinction because I’m thinking of one very curious man, the archetype of the high IQ professor. He’s vastly knowledgeable and more often than not just on his specialised topic but he doesn’t convey it, certainly not to a woman. Not in a way the typical woman finds interesting.

    Curiosity is attractive to women but intellectual curiosity alone isn’t enough to be at all alpha, no. Note also that Roissy didn’t restrict curiosity to intellectual curiosity. He was including more physical adventureousness in the curiosity mix. Things like travel, exploring a city’s diverse delights (not all cities being equal in this of course), etc.

    I’ve never had a girl not get more attracted to me when I told her some of my mountain climbing stories. Hell just saying I’ve done a good bit of it, and similar stuff (white water canoeing) is golden, even though most of the girls wouldn’t really want to go mountain climbing themselves. But then you need to work in stuff they would like to do with you in the spirit of adventure. Like traveling in interesting foreign countries.

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  21. on May 3, 2010 at 12:49 pm Philosopher

    Chris Rock has a routine about listening to women.

    Women tend to work things out by talking about them. The very act of talking about a problem makes them feel better. It may not lead to an answer, but it can make problem seem/feel/appear less severe.

    (Comparable to men working off frustration through physical exertion.)

    When men hear women state a problem, our natural approach is to fix it – offer a solution. “Try this. Do that.” This can be the wrong approach. Let her talk.

    As Chris says, respond by saying: uh huh, you’re right, you don’t say, uh huh, yea, of course, I’m sorry you’re going through this, I understand, you’re right Keisha is a biitch.

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  22. on May 3, 2010 at 12:51 pm Doug1

    PA–

    As Charile Sheen’s character on “Two and Half Men” advised his hopeless nerd brother Alan, paraphrased here: “When she’s upset, even furius with you and she’s ranting, just say ‘I understand’ every once in a while. No need to listen to what she’s actually saying. Works like magic.”

    Yeah I added that nugget to my repertoire after seeing that episode too.

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  23. on May 3, 2010 at 1:04 pm Doug1

    Bhetti-

    For more sophisticated listening tactics. Summarise what she said back to her, go back to something she said earlier in the conversation, ask insightful/challenging questions that pick up from what she said or build from it. Ask for clarification.

    Yuup.

    (Have you caught my slash/ disease?)

    Though one can’t be too challenging w/girls that aren’t real smartypants. Insight’s always good though. Particularly in areas touching on her emotions. Cat nip for chics.

    Hence all the personality “testing” routines. Hence the modern continuation of astrology. Hence ….

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  24. on May 3, 2010 at 1:13 pm biktopia

    Im super curious and put myself into a lot of trouble by that, but, If the guy im dating don’t have the same kind of drive, its doomed, and i need strong guy, for me, looks don’t matter, but sure hell his energy is. I think a guy can extremely compensate his looks, i never liked the Barbie Ken type, but strong smart and curious men, and they come in many different sizes and shapes…

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  25. on May 3, 2010 at 1:14 pm Philosopher

    Roissy,

    off topic alert

    Have you ever written about how men benefit by being married?

    In his books, Men & Marriage and Naked Nomads, George Gilder writes how married men (compared to unmarried men): earn more, are healthier, live longer, are less like to engage in social pathologies (drugs, serious gambling, etc.) as well as personally risky behavior (dangerous sports as an example).

    Men who become unmarried (by divorce or spousal death – doesn’t matter) quickly regress to single-men type behavior: earn less, become less healthy by a poorer diet and less exercise, get sicker more, die sooner, engage in social pathologies, etc.

    Gilder’s books are old, so I’d like to know what the current research shows.

    If readers have insight, respond.

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  26. on May 3, 2010 at 1:30 pm Doug1

    Philosopher–

    It’s often remarked with respect to what you raise that the direction of causation isn’t clear at all. Even in the case of divorced men, were their tendencies in the negative direction contributory to their having been divorced?

    Exciting cads notwithstanding, a lot of slackers and the really low income or episodic income men can’t get married or stay married. It’s not their choice.

    There probably is something to marriage and especially kids leading men to want to earn more. I don’t think that especially works at the highest levels but it probably does in the broad middle. But it’s also true that men that earn more or seen as a good prospect for doing so in the future are more likely to attract an attractive enough girl for them to want to marry.

    In lots of areas there’s also straight up prejudice against men who don’t marry, making

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  27. on May 3, 2010 at 1:32 pm Pupu

    Finally!!!

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  28. on May 3, 2010 at 1:36 pm Bhetti

    Doug, I only heard one mountain climbing story 😦 I am deprived.

    Note also that Roissy didn’t restrict curiosity to intellectual curiosity

    I was wondering whether it was one of those instances where he was reinventing a word.

    Hence all the personality “testing” routines. Hence the modern continuation of astrology. Hence ….

    I had a patient, female, who analysed my female colleague’s handwriting then commented on how a roundness to the joint of her little finger meant she was kinky.

    We’d spent a long time with that patient already and my female colleague had to go because she had other things to do, but she could just not stop herself getting analysed.

    Like traveling in interesting foreign countries.

    London! There’re areas in London I wouldn’t dare venture. Alone anyway.

    Have you caught my slash/ disease?

    Ohemgee, you gave me a CTD!
    (Cybersexually Transmitted Disease.)

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  29. on May 3, 2010 at 1:40 pm Dave

    @ Philosopher: Men may benefit from marriage 1.0 but are typically destroyed by marriage 2.0. Gilder’s book is no longer apropos given the reality of marriage 2.0. From a somewhat different perspective maybe a post should be considered about how stupid it is to even consider marrying someone whose politics differ from your own. The bible called this being unequally yoked and strongly discouraged it. In marriage most of the really important decisions are made after the ceremony – if you want to argue about literally everything in marriage just marry someone whose politics differ widely from your own.

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  30. on May 3, 2010 at 1:45 pm namae nanka

    Philosopher:
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/200902/no-getting-married-does-not-make-you-live-longer

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  31. on May 3, 2010 at 1:46 pm mgtow

    “Learn to LISTEN. Women LOVE LOVE LOVE men who actually listen to them. ”

    Be careful that you do not make yourself too available to lend a listening ear. You may end up as an emotional tampon who gets chucked into the ‘let’s just be friends’ category.

    Always be aloof and elusively unavailable. However, once in a while, if you do want to listen to the superficial, IQ-lowering verbal diarrhea emerging from women’s mouth, you may do so.

    And when doing so, shield yourself with vague answers, ‘uh-uh’, ‘oh wow’, counter questions etc. Appear distracted.

    ————-

    @Philosopher

    Gilder was right about Marriage 1.0. However, he is wrong about Marriage 2.0 – the marriage we have today. Did you know that the suicide rate among divorced men is very high? Much higher than the rate for divorced women.

    There have also been quite a number of cases where the wife kills the husband, then claims to have been ‘abused’ by him.

    And who could forget John and Lorena Bobbitt?

    So much for married men living longer and healthier… hah!

    Gilder was right on one thing though – married men are much more DOCILE. Their time and energy are expended into providing and providing. Less times for hobbies, guys’ night out, solo vacations… just less of everything in life. A sad sight to behold is a married man at the mall on weekends, with rowdy kids, a shopping/errand list and spending his hard earned money to provide, provide, provide. Look hard at him the next time you see one. Observe his dead eyes, his distant stare and his strained smile. Sad.

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  32. on May 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm namae nanka

    How old his books are? Maybe the majority of his singles were men who were divorced,separated from children and the young men in their 20s starting out in their jobs and not really caring for their healths and what they eat as much as slightly older men do?
    Might explain most of the gap between singles and married men.

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  33. on May 3, 2010 at 1:59 pm sdaedalus

    Yes, men who are curious are always more interesting. But the difficulty of course is, what if one is not interesting enough, and exhausts their curiosity?

    One trick is to furnish information on a piecemeal basis.. but eventually it always runs out. Another is to adapt and change.. but some of us do not have the energy to do this constantly.

    A better solution to keeping a curious man, perhaps employed in relation to one or the other of the above, might be to be curious back…. imo there is nothing a man likes better than talking about himself. Of course the difficulty there will be to retain one’s own interest… but generally speaking a curious man is quite interesting.

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  34. on May 3, 2010 at 2:02 pm greatbooksformen

    “Philosopher

    Roissy,

    off topic alert

    Have you ever written about how men benefit by being married?

    In his books, Men & Marriage and Naked Nomads, George Gilder writes how married men (compared to unmarried men): earn more, are healthier, live longer, are less like to engage in social pathologies (drugs, serious gambling, etc.) as well as personally risky behavior (dangerous sports as an example).

    Philosopher

    Roissy,

    off topic alert

    Have you ever written about how men benefit by being married?

    In his books, Men & Marriage and Naked Nomads, George Gilder writes how married men (compared to unmarried men): earn more, are healthier, live longer, are less like to engage in social pathologies (drugs, serious gambling, etc.) as well as personally risky behavior (dangerous sports as an example).

    Men who become unmarried (by divorce or spousal death – doesn’t matter) quickly regress to single-men type behavior: earn less, become less healthy by a poorer diet and less exercise, get sicker more, die sooner, engage in social pathologies, etc.

    Gilder’s books are old, so I’d like to know what the current research shows.

    If readers have insight, respond.

    Gilder’s books are old, so I’d like to know what the current research shows.

    If readers have insight, respond.”

    OMG YOU FUCKING TARD FUCK PHILOSPHER MY ASS!!!! Lozzlzozlzllzlzlzl

    Marriage was good for men before Neocon Charlotte Allen and the fiat financiers published promoted and paid for lying butthexer tucker max to travel around desouling womenz iwth his anus-seeking cocka, promoting his lies that he is six foot tall in the weekly stanadard and a succeful filmmaker, when he makes his living off of stories of sceretive tapings of butthex without the girl’s conthent lzozlzlzolzzlozlzlz zlzozozlzlzlzozlzlzo

    With girls being desouled by 15 to 20 to 30 to 50 partners and random one night stand cockage and 2/3 of them initaitiating divroce and giving man’s assetts to teh central bankers’ divorce industry george gilder is an old neocon nutjob who was never man enough to fight for true mythology and litertaure but just pen op ed piece in the 80s lzozlzozzlozlzzo zlzzozlzlzlzl…… Basically gilder is working for the neocn banksters hyping technology and selling a fund and hyping a fund which crashed and burned in the same way he sells marriage which crashes and burns as that is what the neocns do put a superfical sheen on the butthex and even when you read about feel heare and see coaks in the anuses they deny that it is happening and tell you that marriage is all good please get married pelease invest in outr tech fund please oh please oh please and then they butthex you ouit of your money welath and property lzozlzlozozllz as the fiat masters are wont 2 do. butthhexxxhxhx!!!

    lzozozzlzlzll

    Think of all the extra cockage married man has to put up with these days the loolzer loozsers who shraed their “wife” with many many who had her hotter tighter younger during her desouling and programming period whence she was desouled by nmassive amounst of random coakcage and reproammed in feminsit studies classes to lie and deceive and lure good men into marriage and transfer thei assets lzozlzlozlzlzo thing of all the, big steaming cocks in and out in and out in her dorm room in her high school in her wetlands lzozllz before, during and after marriage which the loozer beta husband has to pay for while those cocks get his wife for free when she is younger, hotter, tighter; and also when she is older and divorced and living off his beta money a he breaks his back to serve the bankers debt lzozlzlzlzlz. lozlzlzlzlzl

    yeah that will make a men healthier and wiser and better lzoz,.zozpzzpzlzoz

    “Men who become unmarried (by divorce or spousal death – doesn’t matter) quickly regress to single-men type behavior: earn less, become less healthy by a poorer diet and less exercise, get sicker more, die sooner, engage in social pathologies, etc”

    yeah maybe that’s because he is stressin because he has to pay a lot of money for his wife to take massive cockage from random bikers who are alos molesting his kids now whpo he is not allowed to see, as the vast majority of kids are molested not by their natural fathers but by men that the slut women bring into thier homes lzozlzloozlz which is why the fed funds slut women to break up families and create more need for the welfare state and drug industries lzozlzzozlzlzzozlz lzozlzllz.

    invest in BTHX!!!! the new Gilder/Tucker Max/Charlotte Allen fund which hedges against truth about marriage and honor lzozl.zozlzozozl and bets on secretive tapings of butthex wityhout the girl’s consent lzozlzl

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  35. on May 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm greatbooksformen

    once upon a time conservatism was about

    1) teh great books
    2) teh constitution
    3) promoting morality
    4) heroism
    5) self sacrifice
    6) russell kirk
    7) edmund burke
    8) the founding fathers
    9) masiac law
    10) biblical morality
    11) sound money
    12) free market capitalism (chich necesitates sound money)

    i challenge the weekly standard to promote these entities and celebrate our heroes fighting far off wars on foreign shores, instead of repetating tucker max’s pr lies int thie pages.

    that would be kool & we all look forward to it!! lzolzlzlzlzlz

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  36. on May 3, 2010 at 2:31 pm The Rookie

    I wonder how many others did something else this past Saturday instead of watching the fight.

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  37. on May 3, 2010 at 2:35 pm White Woman

    Really, it’s as easy as pushing away from the TV.

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  38. on May 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm narzheewa

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-fat-ear-bite,0,657752.story

    Don’t you dare to tell someone the truth, they might just attack you like a wild animal.

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  39. on May 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm Crash

    Numerous studies have turned up that the #1 predictor of long term success in relationships is commensurate levels of curiosity.

    The partners can actually have pretty substantially different levels of intelligence but if their level of curiosity matches success is still far more likely than the reverse situation.

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  40. on May 3, 2010 at 2:55 pm Dave

    @GBFM: If you’re the great womanizer you proclaim yourself to be, but at the same time you’re on the lookout for your “Penelope”, how will you handle it if your “Penelope” is scandalized or disgusted by your past behavior, c.f, for a depiction of such a situation see last night’s episode of “The Pacific” where the actress portraying Lena Riggi shames the actor playing John Basilone for manwhoring it up with Hollywood starlets on war bonds tours. No offense, just wondering how you handle the cognitive dissonance.

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  41. on May 3, 2010 at 2:56 pm greatbooksformen

    i think that curiosity reflects a humility before god and the universe and those people are more fun to hang out with. lzozlzl

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  42. on May 3, 2010 at 3:00 pm jhbowden

    What if one becomes alpha from watching Dos Equis commercials?

    That would create a truly divine being: the Alpha and the Omega.

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  43. on May 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm Dave

    It’s the after party you want to attend.

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  44. on May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm anony

    But there is a downside. Women who are searching for a monogamous relationship should know that highly curious men are also curious about the opposite sex.

    that is a non sequitur.

    [editor: i don’t think that word ‘non-sequitur’ means what you think it means.]

    A man may find renaissance wonderment in rivers, volcanoes, investing, history, rug markets, politics, religious art, kayaking, quirky people, football, ice hockey, African tribes, big engines, and babies, but have no proclivity to cheating. Women: may the renaissance men.

    [i’m in a generous mood, so i’ll spell it out for you. men who are naturally curious and seek stimulating experiences to satisfy their curiosity are also the sort of men who will sleep with a lot of women, inside and outside of relationships.]

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  45. on May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm greatbooksformen

    “Dave

    @GBFM: If you’re the great womanizer you proclaim yourself to be, but at the same time you’re on the lookout for your “Penelope”, how will you handle it if your “Penelope” is scandalized or disgusted by your past behavior, c.f, for a depiction of such a situation see last night’s episode of “The Pacific” where the actress portraying Lena Riggi shames the actor playing John Basilone for manwhoring it up with Hollywood starlets on war bonds tours. No offense, just wondering how you handle the cognitive dissonance.”

    lzozllzlz yeah that happened to me before i told her how many peopel i had been with so she doesn’t sayi anything and just drinks more and more lzozlzl

    i felt bad.

    but looking back on it she was a drunk whore.

    long after we broke up she got a string of 4 DUIS lzozlzlzl

    and the funnyt thing was that beofre i told her how m=peoplid been with she was out every night going lzozlzloz lzozlzlzl and drinking hard and flirting with other guys anways

    so fuck that

    not my fault

    one of the reasons i have been with so many womensz is because they are not peopleopes but sluttty cock seeking whoeawhors like her

    lzozlzlzl

    as the fed programs them 2 be lzozlzlzl acting on thier gina tingle wingles and hating men and seizing property

    now the funny thng is u ask about odysseus and penelope

    read the book twatty toes

    odysseus does a goddess and he does crice and teh goddess offers him eternal youth to stay with her but he says no and gets on home lzozlzlzllzl

    now penelope doesn’t freak out bitch about his past but she loves him for being a MAN lzolzlzlzl.

    see the home is centered baout the woman
    ‘s loyalty more than the man for the simple reason tat we never know our true father, and also tat if a owman brings another cock into the mix the original man often ends up dead as he did in teh odyssey. they talk about agemnmonnnsns wife taking on a new cock and that cock killing him lzozlz in the first book and zeus says this is not good so please just read book i of the odyssey as i know you are probably on rtialin 2 and have no attention span like me .lzlzolzlzl

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  46. on May 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm Schmoe

    @narzheewa, maybe she was hungry.

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  47. on May 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm Dilbert Hole

    Humility before god? The christian god makes Ben Bernanke look like a total Dudley Do-right. He delivers major cockage to the virgin wife of Joseph and sticks him with raising a bastard child, and then isn’t even there to stand up for his spawn and save him from getting killed. Hell, before there was the Fed and Ben Bernanke with the fiat dollars, there was mother church with the tithe and the indulgences and one tenth. And they taught you that the despots and their henchmen drew their power directly from god, which the virgins whom those despots and henchmen raped must have found very comforting indeed.

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  48. on May 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm Dave

    @GBFM: you’re reply was almost as long as one of Nicole’s. My bad shouldn’t have asked the question.

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  49. on May 3, 2010 at 3:27 pm Dilbert Hole

    Humility before the god of the christians is like a bunch of pussified cuckolds waxing poetic about Bill Brassky.

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  50. on May 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm greatbooksformen

    “Dilbert Hole

    Humility before god? The christian god makes Ben Bernanke look like a total Dudley Do-right. He delivers major cockage to the virgin wife of Joseph and sticks him with raising a bastard child, and then isn’t even there to stand up for his spawn and save him from getting killed. Hell, before there was the Fed and Ben Bernanke with the fiat dollars, there was mother church with the tithe and the indulgences and one tenth. And they taught you that the despots and their henchmen drew their power directly from god, which the virgins whom those despots and henchmen raped must have found very comforting indeed.”

    omg lozlzlzlllz!

    the virgin immaculate conception myth is to get betas 2 kneel before alphas running the church!! lzozlzlzllz

    note that jesus never said thus, but the church corrupter and crucified jesus and insitituted this along with butthex and fondling little boys.

    lzozlzl

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  51. on May 3, 2010 at 3:32 pm Dave

    @GBFM: arma virumque cano . . .

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  52. on May 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm Doug1

    anony–

    A man may find renaissance wonderment in rivers, volcanoes, investing, history, rug markets, politics, religious art, kayaking, quirky people, football, ice hockey, African tribes, big engines, and babies, but have no proclivity to cheating. Women: may the renaissance men.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Though it’s better done as part of an understanding.

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  53. on May 3, 2010 at 3:35 pm Doug1

    Under an understanding w/ limits would have been a better phrase.

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  54. on May 3, 2010 at 3:40 pm Dave

    @GBFM:

    VM’s: reply to Gabriel: Meine Seele erhebt den Herren . . .

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  55. on May 3, 2010 at 3:41 pm Free Man

    I don’t believe this one. I actually find that having traveled all over the world & done interesting stuff actually makes most women seem incredibly boring to me & gives me nothing in common with them. It hurts my game because I don’t want to talk about their incredibly lame shit & they can’t relate with an interesting life.

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  56. on May 3, 2010 at 3:47 pm Dilbert Hole

    For more bang for your wonderment buck, may I suggest this one?

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  57. on May 3, 2010 at 3:55 pm Dilbert Hole

    Free Man, what you find appealing is likely beside the point – you’re a man. But I do agree with you; there are those who seek experiences so that they can padd their curriculum vitae, and then there are those who seek meaning and understanding in the very events that comprise the majority of our lives. They say that most accidents happen within a mile of the home – I would add that most realizations do, too, metaphorically if not literally.

    Cataloging experiences for the sake of bragging about them later is very, well, SWPL – and it should therefore be unsurprising that it would appeal to the status-whore aspect of female psyche.

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  58. on May 3, 2010 at 4:06 pm greatbooksformen

    when the fiat masters are financing and promoting cock shoving into young women’s anuses, they are encouraging them 2 kill thier babies lzozllzzozlzlzlzl

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100503__SHAMEFUL__PRESSURE_.html

    “A DEPARTMENT OF Human Services caseworker pressured a pregnant Mayfair teenager to undergo a late-term abortion by threatening to take away either her toddler or her unborn baby if she had the child, according to the teen’s foster mother.”

    lozzlzlzlzlz !!

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  59. on May 3, 2010 at 4:07 pm Jabberwocky

    I’m curious when my wife will get off her lazy ass and actually do something interesting without me prodding her, or worst yer, holding the reigns the whole time during some little trite andrenaline quelching psuedo adventure I mocked up in an effort to lubricate her vaginal shaft while not scaring her into a catatonic stupor…most bitches can’t handle what I like to really do for thrills; a little of the sublime ultra violence mixed with the ole savage in-out, in-out till me yarbles are drained dry as a midsummer Saharan picnic at noon. She got pissed when I broke my pinky in a bar fight once. Its just a fucking pinky! Wrap that shit in two popsicle sticks with some tape, and tonight you’re just gonna have to ride it cowgirl style. Giddy up. What’s the big fucking deal?! Fucking buzz kill I tell ya.

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  60. on May 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm Cat Patrol

    This falls under the rule of- Don’t Be To Predictable.

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  61. on May 3, 2010 at 4:49 pm Curious the Cat

    Great stuff.

    But whatever you involve yourself in, do it because YOU’RE interested in it / you want to learn it / it makes you happy.

    Don’t EVER participate in something just to attract women. Never, ever. Very bad. It makes you reek of wussyjuice.

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  62. on May 3, 2010 at 5:07 pm greatbooksformen

    hey roissy du yu write your own cartoons draw them?

    very talented lzozlzlzl

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  63. on May 3, 2010 at 5:13 pm Roosh

    This round of curiosity will end very soon. Please start researching the spots where Brazilians hang out at.

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  64. on May 3, 2010 at 5:42 pm Vincent Ignatius

    This is one of the things I had before my introduction to game, and it’s probably what brought me success back in those dark ages.

    I’m writing this from Hong Kong and will be in Bangkok tomorrow, and the Middle East a few days later. I’ve taken trips like this before and it provides the backbone of my “interesting guy” game as explained by Roosh.

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  65. on May 3, 2010 at 7:38 pm Mike

    What Roissy called curiosity is currently understood as Openness in the Big 5 Personality Traits.

    A Big 5 exam is a wise thing for most to take. If you score low on Extroversion or Openness, then this is really going to screw you over in meeting women.

    There are studies correlating behaviors with the Big 5. A person with high Extroversion and Openness is going to have more sex with different women. To meet women you need to actually talk – Extroversion – and if you’re open to new experiences, you’re going to need wilder sex with different women.

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  66. on May 3, 2010 at 9:09 pm Anonymous

    But there is a downside. Women who are searching for a monogamous relationship should know that highly curious men are also curious about the opposite sex.

    ———————————————————————

    I find that when spending time with a curious man, he tends to focus the majority of his attention to being oh so curious and that usually means less attention for little ol’ me. I’ve also realized that compared to a curious man, I’m a gawd awful snoooooze fest!!!

    I love curious, passionate men, but the dreaded downside makes me sad! 😦 Roissy, why can’t we have it all???? 😦

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  67. on May 3, 2010 at 9:31 pm Philosopher

    @GBFM

    In the early 1970s George Gilder wrote an article in the Ripon Forum defending President Richard Nixon’s veto of a day-care bill sponsored by Senator Walter Mondale (D-MN) and Senator Jacob Javits (R-NY). He was promptly fired as editor of the Forum.

    He decided to make himself into “America’s number-one antifeminist”.

    Gilder wrote Sexual Suicide in 1973. He was awarded the title of Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year by both Time and the National Organization for Women.

    (Sexual Suicide was revised and reissued in 1987 with a new title, “Men & Marriage”.)

    Gilder concluded that heterosexual marriage was the key to civilization, and that homosexuality, welfare (which, by making men financially superfluous to a family, led to emasculation and illegitimacy), and feminism (ditto) were its downfall.

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  68. on May 3, 2010 at 9:40 pm anoukange

    What you are leaving out and I would guess it’s because you don’t date men, is that men who are well traveled, well read, and well bred, are very common in the urban cities. So, what seems cool or more than ordinary to some here is nothing but run-of-the-mill boy soul searching to others. What else can he do? Don’t glorify or re-package laziness, self indulgence and following a typical path as curiosity here. Having traveled to hundreds of countries comes out of the mouths of almost every man I chat with here in DC. International types (especially those with a Euro passport) started traveling much younger in comparison to Americans. Well read? Yeah, it’s DC, you HAVE to be well read here. I’m not trying to be an ass nor am I looking for an argument, but I starting to think you guys really don’t get it. It takes more than curiosity to be original and extraordinary these days. American boys who go screw women in other countries because those women are unknowing of who they really are do not measure up. When it comes down to it, lack of quality is always found out. Fucking off with your life does not take talent. Failing in your own country and hiding behind that failure by pushing your latest obsession of another country is not impressive. Let it be said that I do not judge lack of ambition generally speaking, to each their own “happiness” –but no guy who is guilty of it is ever taken seriously. Low quality guys (have been known to be curious)= a fun time, five minutes in a gal’s life maybe…. High quality guys (have also been known to be curious)= life changing/inspiring/sexy/intriguing/love/lust/amazing sex and the gal wants him to spank her and wants to call him daddy.

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  69. on May 3, 2010 at 9:45 pm Optbroad

    Roosh’s bitter pump and dump commenting on this entry. Who would have thought!

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  70. on May 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm anoukange

    True curiosity is an interest in all countries, all people, all things, all ways of thinking and exploring. Curiosity prevents burn out and jaded, close-minded thinking. Curiosity comes from asking questions and being open to the endless possible answers. Curiosity is the art of viewing life with wonder and a child-like innocence and excitement, it’s naturally in the spirit of the ethereal and broad-minded.

    [editor: i still laugh at farts.]

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  71. on May 3, 2010 at 9:57 pm White Woman

    Lots of scary blasphemy here BUT the deification of Mary by the Cath church might have been the beginning of Feminism in the Christian world. The bible shows a proper respect/love for Mary for being God’s obedient servant but in no way says she should be worshiped like a god.

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  72. on May 3, 2010 at 10:00 pm grerp

    Living abroad does seem quite exotic, adventurous, and romantic…until you’ve lived abroad. Truest lesson I learned from living elsewhere: wherever you go, there you are. Oft times it’s just a change of scenery.

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  73. on May 3, 2010 at 10:15 pm anoukange

    Optbroad-

    Roosh got involved in a personal relationship of mine and that is why I think he’s an ass. ROOSH KNOWS I NEVER LIKED HIM in any way that was more than a casual friend. He did not impress me, I was never a pump and dump, it was a mutually shallow sexual fling. I am not bitter for any reason other than him continuing to be a poser and for trying to sabotage a friendship between me and his (once) friend Jorge. Jorge knows the whole story, right Roosh? Roosh is liar, a self-proclaimed one at that, and he has lied about me. He just lacks the balls to come clean in front of all of you because his value as a person is so linked to his blog that he can’t. I specifically filed Roosh as my pump and dump after he told me what year he was born. I found him to be a hot-headed, spastic, kid who has no style or grace. He could have been cool, he could have been laid-back (the way I was when around him, as he knows) but he was not. The longer you all talk about shit you don’t know of and weren’t witness to, the longer I talk shit abut him. He can end it by telling the truth. I never liked him like that, and I never had feelings for him. I needed a distraction to help me get over a guy I was still in love with. He fit the bill due to his shallow way of being and living. It never had to get nasty, he just takes it there because he lacks talent in anything else.

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  74. on May 3, 2010 at 10:22 pm Optbroad

    Whatever you say, sand nigger.

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  75. on May 3, 2010 at 10:27 pm anoukange

    Roosh V-

    Did you seriously mistake my kindness and patience with you as liking you? Really Roosh? Could you be so silly? You are a pussy and you know it. You are lying and you know it. I have bigger balls than you, you turd. I will continue to write the truth until you fess up. I stopped sex with you because I was dry, you know it’s the truth. I got up and walked away from sex with you because I was not turned on. I tried to be kind about it and blame it on you not liking me, I tried to take the bullet in the thread under my email on your blog as well. Even after all of the shit, I still tried to be the bigger person. What a lousy person you are.

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  76. on May 3, 2010 at 10:28 pm Ronin

    anoukange

    “I was never a pump and dump, it was a mutually shallow sexual fling. I am not bitter”

    Speaks volume for it self, so no comment required.

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  77. on May 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm anoukange

    Otbroad-
    what a tool you are, can’t even author your own insult at me? How lazy. Also, I am an Indian giver (see: Iroquois), not a sand nigger and I will fucking scalp your ass without hesitation, even though it was the Mohawks, not the Senecas, that did that.

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  78. on May 3, 2010 at 10:34 pm anoukange

    “[editor: i still laugh at farts.]”

    –I have yet to know a guy (of any age) that doesn’t.

    The real skill is burping the alphabet.

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  79. on May 3, 2010 at 10:34 pm Philosopher

    @ Doug 1

    good points. I enjoy your posts.

    “In lots of areas there’s also straight up prejudice against men who don’t marry, making”
    Your message was cut short.
    Can you provide examples?

    @ Dave & MG Tow
    1.0 vs 2.0 => I totally agree.

    If marriage today were wonderful for men, we would do everything in our powers to be married. Instead, women have to cajole men into marriage.

    @ namae nanka
    Gilder wrote Sexual Suicide in 1973. He was awarded the title of Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year by both Time and the National Organization for Women.

    (Sexual Suicide was revised and reissued in 1987 with a new title, “Men & Marriage”.)

    Gilder concluded that heterosexual marriage was the key to civilization, and that homosexuality, welfare (which, by making men financially superfluous to a family, led to emasculation and illegitimacy), and feminism (ditto) were its downfall.

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  80. on May 3, 2010 at 10:40 pm JB

    “Truest lesson I learned from living elsewhere: wherever you go, there you are. Oft times it’s just a change of scenery.”

    Wherever you go, there you are…with a funny accent.

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  81. on May 3, 2010 at 10:41 pm anoukange

    Ronin-

    ONE. One shallow hook up. Fuck off. I was heartbroken when seeking my one and only shallow fuck. And you judge? I was numb. Have you ever been heartbroken? Have you ever fucked up while under the spell of sadness? I am not bitter towards anything or anyone in life. I am defending my own truth here. Almost my entire blog is about the greatness I have seen and known of men. I adore men, I am inspired by men, and I will continue to be. This doesn’t mean that I will take shit from the lousy ones.

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  82. on May 3, 2010 at 10:50 pm Ronin

    V-O-L-U-M-E!!!!

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  83. on May 3, 2010 at 10:59 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    Mspaint master. I want a post of all drawings, but not one of those faggy webcomics.

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  84. on May 3, 2010 at 11:00 pm anoukange

    Answer my question Ronin–

    Have you eve been heartbroken? Have you ever fucked up? If you’re gonna throw judgment and hate, at least let me see where you’re coming from.

    If you want VOLUME of love, read my blog. If you want to know me, read my blog. I’m not saying read it regularly, just read my posts about the men I have loved. A woman never talks shit about an alpha, she remains in respect of him.

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  85. on May 3, 2010 at 11:02 pm Jesus

    Like most attractiveness traits that a woman admires in a man, her strongest desire is for that which can potentially hurt her.

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  86. on May 3, 2010 at 11:05 pm anoukange

    Shots in the dark have beta written all over them, pussies. Man-up, face me. Say it to my face.

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  87. on May 3, 2010 at 11:17 pm Thompson

    Sometimes I think I’ll get married and then I’ll have a day like today when my lifepath crosses up with some horribly indulgent woman in ill-fitting JC Penney pants and her snotty little pussy-monsters. It’s enough to make me question what we are getting ourselves into here. What a trade we make… a decade or MAYBE 15 years of beauty for a lifetime of yeast infections, metaphoric or not. Allora… It makes me want to sit around and listen to Alex Jones talk about how everything is a New World Order inside job…

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  88. on May 3, 2010 at 11:26 pm Dave

    @white woman: What you said isn’t true. Google “collyridianism”. You can’t blame the catholic church for feminism. GBFM repeatedly claims that “fiat bankers” are responsible for feminism and there is probably far more truth in that statement than your suspicion. There are many industries servicing the practical aspects of feminism e.g., education, social work, law specialties in divorce and family law, publishing, pharmaceuticals/health/ medicine for std treatments, contraception, abortion, and these industries make a lot of money off of what was formerly viewed as self-destructive behavior by women. The profit motive has more to do with feminism than anything else. That’s why you see big corporations defending it tooth-and-nail. Marxism has a term called false consciousness and I believe it applies to feminism because it is undeniable that capitalists have made a lot of money by educating women to have new desires through feminism (a false consciousness that is really harmful to women). That is why GBFM is constantly warning women that if they follow feminism they will end up with cats instead of grandchildren.

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  89. on May 3, 2010 at 11:35 pm JB

    “It makes me want to sit around and listen to Alex Jones talk about how everything is a New World Order inside job…”

    None of that shit matters. No-one forces you to marry OR stay single. It doesn’t matter what the Illuminati are doing or not doing. Rise above the lies and the social pressure to find your true self and your true values. Trust your intuition and experience implicitly if it’s any good (if not, figure out your blind spots and areas of self-deception.) Sacrifice if you need to. It’s worth it.

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  90. on May 3, 2010 at 11:43 pm Optbroad

    I wasn’t calling you a sand nigger, you imbecile. Just pointing out that its a tad rich to accuse someone of being spastic and immature, when we all know the spastic and immature shit that you’re capable of.

    Roosh never claimed to be a good guy – I have no trouble believing he treated you like shit. The more I read of your comments and your blog (when I can weed through all the nalf naked photo whoring and retarded duck faces), the more I believe you deserved it and more.

    I don’t know what “lies” Roosh told about you – and I’m not likely to believe them. It’s your own words that make you look like a terrible person – not anything that Roosh has slung at you (of which I haven’t read much of anything).

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  91. on May 3, 2010 at 11:50 pm Tupac Chopra

    Living abroad does seem quite exotic, adventurous, and romantic…until you’ve lived abroad. Truest lesson I learned from living elsewhere: wherever you go, there you are. Oft times it’s just a change of scenery.

    The sad troof.

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  92. on May 3, 2010 at 11:52 pm anoukange

    Hey Roosh-
    Fact:

    If I had liked you, I would have given you my phone number and not my email.

    Fact:

    If I had liked you I would have come looking for you the night we met up at Reef when we were waiting on different floors and didn’t know it, but you came looking for me.

    Fact:

    If I had liked you, you wouldn’t have had to keep asking me why I never laughed at your jokes, so insecure on your part.

    Fact:

    If I had liked you I would not have sent that email to you while in Colombia saying I wanted nothing to do with you anymore.

    Fact:

    If I had really been your “stalker” you would have blocked those emails like you said you did and also blocked me from your blog. You never blocked me from anything.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you and your game is so tight how come you were off to the side sulking at the beach while people there made fun of you for being so weird. ( I defended you by the way, saying you weren’t feeling well.) It was because I wasn’t responding to your techniques and you were very frustrated. Typical Roosh style.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I wouldn’t have liked Jorge.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I would have been jealous all the times you tried to play that game, but instead I helped you out with trying to buy a girl a piece of jewelry. I pulled us into a larger crowd of girls the first night we went out while I was down visiting. I was scoping for you. Girls don’t scope for guys they like themselves.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I would have gone to the other beach when you asked me to come with you while we were on the coast, instead I declined because I was sick of being around you.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I would have been sober when I slept with you. I had to numb myself to do so.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I would have sat next to you on the bus instead of taking the other seat. I also would have stayed awake to chat but instead I slept due to lack of interest.

    Fact:

    You had to undress me the first night against my will to get me to sleep with you. You had to make sure the metro was done running so you could weasel your way into staying at my place.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you I would not have pulled my hand away from your caressing it as we lay together.

    Fact:

    If I had really liked you you would not have had to ask me repeatedly to come back to bed and snuggle.

    And lastly, because I’m tired, not because there aren’t countless other examples of how I showed my lack of interest for you for anything other than a friendship:

    If I had really liked you, I would have waited to have sex with you and gotten to know you. I would have taken it slow because you would have counted for something more. I would have taken the time to build proper sexual pressure and chemistry.

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  93. on May 4, 2010 at 12:04 am JB

    “GBFM repeatedly claims that “fiat bankers” are responsible for feminism and there is probably far more truth in that statement than your suspicion.”

    Fiat Bankers are basically profiteers (who will latch onto any memeset which can produce ROI.)

    Intellectuals are “responsible” for feminism, which is nothing more than one of many flavors of Cultural Marxism.

    I’ve been thinking about this recently — what part does Cultural Marxism play in social evolution of man? If you look at it rationally, it seems like a horrific evil completely inimical to values of truth, life and dignity of men.

    But I think there’s something to the idea that conservative, change-resistant societies breed complacence and stupidity. There are tribes in Africa which have remained unchanged for thousands of years. There but for the grace of God go they — nature could wipe them out at any time; a meteor, a change in climate, etc. Progress (especially technological) as part and parcel of evolution is a race against unforeseen and unpredictable disasters.

    In that sense Cultural Marxism can be thought of NOT as a deadly virus, but as a highly unpleasant VACCINE. You may feel sick for awhile but your immunity eventually improves because you are FORCED TO STRUGGLE.

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  94. on May 4, 2010 at 12:05 am anoukange

    Optbroad-

    I sent hate email to him after he tried to ruin a friendship of mine. It was designed to be spastic. My nature is not. Ask Roosh himself, I was completely mellow and laid-back around him. Always. It was a sarcastic tongue-in-cheek email ragging for the point of ragging. He was constantly flipping out while I knew him so I wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine. Read my blog. Read all of it, then come and tell me to fuck off. If you read it all and still hate me then I will accept your cuts and comments. Do you get that? I am a lot of things but one thing I am not is unfair. You were not there dude (or girl?) so you have no right to comment on something that you were not a witness to. I was a friend to Roosh. It was a different type of “relationship” than a sex fling. We weren’t hanging out for sex, I hung out with him because I love to travel and because I considered him a friend. When his tactics failed on me, he had to get nasty. Why not just be cool and be a friend to a girl who had been cool to him?

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  95. on May 4, 2010 at 12:08 am me me me

    anoukange

    oh my lord!

    what happened with roosh, let it go! learn from it and move on. what’s the point of getting even? you’re such a beautiful girl, but this need to prove a point or get even is making *you* look bad, not him! GET OVER IT!!!!

    i feel embarrassed for you!!!

    please, for the love of god, STOP!!!

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  96. on May 4, 2010 at 12:12 am anoukange

    Opt–

    I didn’t deserve it, I was good to him as a friend and he knows it. I never was a bad friend to him. I have no idea why he was an ass to me, there was no reason to be. I am kind to people and I am warm and vivacious. I am giving and fair. Nothing in my spirit or way should have set him off unless he had a personal agenda that wasn’t getting met.

    also, I’m an artist you fool. All of the photos on my blog are in good taste and in the exploration of self identity visually speaking. The whole damn blog is arty. Take it in context you idiot.

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  97. on May 4, 2010 at 12:14 am Tupac Chopra

    anoukange:

    Tell us more about this “Jorge”

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  98. on May 4, 2010 at 12:15 am Cannon's Canon

    good lord. i gotta say i definitely saw this coming.

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  99. on May 4, 2010 at 12:15 am anoukange

    me, me, me–

    I will not stop until he confesses the truth. He lied. I could care less about what people think…I thought that was very clear. I still catch shit for his lies and I will address it as long as the shit talking occurs. I am not embarrassed. If it were for someone I valued I would be but not in this case.

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  100. on May 4, 2010 at 12:22 am Optbroad

    lol. Artist.

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  101. on May 4, 2010 at 12:25 am anoukange

    Roosh V is a liar. He has lied to say that I liked him and then stalked him and he knows that I didn’t like him like that.

    Jorge is a guy that was once Roosh’s friend. When we were introduced, we it it off, very well actually. He is a design student in Colombia and he also plays in a band. Given my art, design and music background it was an awesome meet for sure. I met his sister and family and hung out with a huge crowd that showed me very kind hospitality. I have stayed in touch with Jorge and am going back down to visit him in July. I told Roosh that Jorge and I had become “friends” and was asking his advice a bit on how to handle it. Roosh got very pissed. He became cold and cruel towards me. He tried to deliberately wreak havoc on our friendship by getting involved in our business. Jorge eventually grew tired of it as well and when we were all supposed to go out together one night, Jorge didn’t answer his phone when Roosh repeatedly called him. Roosh turned up conveniently at the bar we were all hanging out at and sat off to the side (again!) alone and watched us.

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  102. on May 4, 2010 at 12:32 am anoukange

    When I told Roosh of my involvement with Jorge he was very interested in whether we slept together or not. We had not, and have not. He seethed with anger and said he didn’t believe me. After some of the drama, Jorge and I tried to just talk to Roosh but having us both show up, together, after he had tried so hard to separate us, made him lose it. He lost it in the streets of Medellin, screaming and making a huge scene. It was surreal. He wanted to know if we had slept together, that’s all he cared about. Jorge and I were just trying to get everyone to a cool place so we could all hang out again. Roosh just couldn’t deal. I told Roosh that I liked Jorge because he was kind to me, and genuine. I told him that the good guy got the girl and he was livid.

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  103. on May 4, 2010 at 12:33 am me me me

    But he will never confess! Why should he? What’s in it for him? If I was him I would be having fun watching you make a fool out of yourself too.

    Well, your true friends and your family know the truth, isn’t that all that matters? You will *never* get what you want and no one really cares to know the truth on here, they just want to see you self-destruct. I really wish you would stop!!!!

    😦

    Please keep the whole “Jorge” thing private!!! Tupac can be so naughty!

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  104. on May 4, 2010 at 12:37 am anoukange

    Hey Roosh,

    I liked Jorge and was asking you when you and I were on the plane about him because I was trying to figure out what to do about it. I was talking to you as a friend. I would have never tried to sabotage a link between you and a girl.

    You owe me an apology but you’re too much of a pussy and a scared little boy to ever give me one. I was good to you, and you know it.

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  105. on May 4, 2010 at 12:40 am anoukange

    me, me,me..

    I appreciate it, I do, but my values are different from yours it would seem, so this more about the truth being out there. It’s ok by me to look like an ass. I am not self-destructing. I’m quite calm. I have nothing to lose here. Your correct in that my friends know the truth but I want the public to know that he lies. Since he has lied about me then I have to assume he has lied about others.

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  106. on May 4, 2010 at 12:41 am Jay

    If you have an obvious physical flaw – e.g. acne, shortness, overweight, whatever – should you ever mention it (like the elephant in the room) during an interaction with a girl you’ve banged? Or is any admission of a flaw only going to highlight and exacerbate it.

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  107. on May 4, 2010 at 12:46 am Tupac Chopra

    anoukange:

    Please ignore to me me me — she’s a trouble maker. Feel free to speak your mind. We are non-judgemental crowd here.

    So basically, what you’re saying is, you were hurting over a breakup and on the prowl for some big hairy sandnigger dick as a salve, but then you found a socially-proofed popular musician in a band and your hypergamy kicked in?

    Understandable. But it’s equally understandable that Roosh would feel hoe’d up by that. There’s not a lot a guy can do when the girl he’s digging starts up with the groupie act. Or perhaps I’m projecting?

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  108. on May 4, 2010 at 12:47 am Tupac Chopra

    It’s moments like these that call for an extended-play Cannon Classic.

    Come on bro. Finish off that Grey Goose and let it fly.

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  109. on May 4, 2010 at 12:47 am Norway Rocks

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  110. on May 4, 2010 at 12:48 am Rum

    anoukange

    Ah, hmm… this is the internet. The only way that words came have true force and believability in this extra-corporeal medium in when your body language cab be seen in real time as you try to get your real personal truth out there for us to understand.
    Turn on yur cam. Show us how ripe young yur nips make little bouncing motions while you vigorously go typing out stories of lostloves, ect.
    Trust me, that is something guys will alway understand in a deep way..

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  111. on May 4, 2010 at 12:49 am JB

    I think we should stop this by TKO.

    She’s won by virtue of being hot, feminine and vulnerable; unless you’re the type that likes to microwave kittens for fun she is convincing and sympathetic.

    Regardless of the truth.

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  112. on May 4, 2010 at 1:02 am Ronin

    anoukange

    Did you let Roosh take dirty pics of you?

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  113. on May 4, 2010 at 1:02 am Cannon's Canon

    oh pac,
    my sin is sloth, yet here you are winning me over with an appeal to my vanity. well-played… yeah, i got this.

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  114. on May 4, 2010 at 1:06 am Layne

    Oh god make it stop.

    Roosh never liked anouk. Anouk never liked Roosh. We get it.
    Why is she so determined to tell the whole world about it? Cringe worthy.

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  115. on May 4, 2010 at 1:10 am anoukange

    Tupac-

    Basically. ha, ha.

    My point to Roosh is, I was his friend and nothing more or less than that. I was there to see Colombia and explore with a guy I thought was on the same page as me. He somehow made it into something else entirely and made me pay for some built up baggage of his own from his teenage and college years. Roosh is on a revenge tear through women and hides behind his own shortcomings by going to a place that he swears is better to him. Good for him. But he should know the more he disses what he disses, the more of a failure it proves his game is. If a guy has good game, he can make it work with any type of woman, and they should be singing his praises after. Roosh has a lot of woman that hate him and not for him hurting them in the sense he tries to convey, but because he is a piece of shit in his dealings with them when he doesn’t get his way from what I can tell. The more I found out about Roosh, the less I liked him as a person. Unfortunately for me, much of the info. came after I went down to Colombia.

    Rum–

    If I had a video camera I would. 🙂 Even though I know you’re poking fun at me a bit.

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  116. on May 4, 2010 at 1:13 am anoukange

    Cannon….be nice…please, I’ve paid enough.

    Ronin-

    No. But the photo he has of himself in the water on his blog, I took that. I took many of him (I’m a photographer) and made sure I got several that made him look good, because I’m cool like that.

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  117. on May 4, 2010 at 1:19 am TFH

    A short, hairy Persian guy who is neither handsome nor wealthy, gets a 7 white chick to do it without a condom, in the back of the bus.

    Therefore, Game works very well.

    Whenever some stupid chick says Game would not work on her, the simplest answer is “You think you are better than Anoukange? You are not.”

    Because they are not.

    Heh.

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  118. on May 4, 2010 at 1:23 am TFH

    Anoukange,

    Let me take this in an entirely different angle.

    Do you now see how feminism has actually made young women like yourself dramatically worse off than women 40 years ago?

    If not, please explain how feminism has left you better off than women who married by 25, with 0-2 sex partners to date, and had a husband and kids in communities of families.

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  119. on May 4, 2010 at 1:30 am anoukange

    TFH-

    Just a bit of fact correcting and because I have a sense of humor:

    Roosh isn’t short. Unusually hairy, yes.

    It was the middle of the bus, not the back, no one even knew what we were doing.

    And my own heartbreak got him into my pants, not his game. He may have game, I wouldn’t know. I was in a bad place when I knew him and made some poor decisions.

    My body is an 8, my face is a 7, my heart is a 10.

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  120. on May 4, 2010 at 1:31 am anoukange

    oh, and I can sing, really. So that’s got to count for something too.

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  121. on May 4, 2010 at 1:32 am Tupac Chopra

    A short, hairy Persian guy who is neither handsome nor wealthy, gets a 7 white chick

    Let’s be fair, she’s 7.5 at least. *Maybe* an 8.

    Then again, I haven’t seen her nekkid.

    Wait, hold on — she’s over 30. That knocks her back down into the sub 8’s.

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  122. on May 4, 2010 at 2:07 am G

    The motto of Game is to get laid. Not to make things “work” with girls.

    A woman value is 99% sexual. Once a man has slept with you, he got what he wanted and you are at his mercy. Just like now.

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  123. on May 4, 2010 at 2:16 am Cannon's Canon

    anoukange,

    i was curious to see your name pop up in the comments here many weeks ago. i figured your self-inflicted infamy would have kept you away from the periphery of the DC pick-up community, but i suppose you had something to prove.

    after all, roissy is the highbrow friend, the savant, the wordsmith, the cavalier. the older brother, if you will. and we know the company here is trends toward the high-end. doctors, lawyers, chess grandmasters, buy-siders from brazil, authors, journalists, casanovas, engineers… all company fit for you to keep. and indeed, you brushed off the barbs and struck up conversations, surely tallying up some blog traffic and winning a few new admirers.

    but although the names in the comments sections are different, we all knew who you were. we were being polite. truth be told, you were a rooting interest of sorts. hey, if you could turn sane, maybe there is hope in this world. so perhaps you felt your garrison had been stocked, and you could finally reveal your nuclear arsenal to the world. and while you may not be subject to such crude insults this time around, these physicians, psychologists, ivy-league athletes, and even LR’s impotent ex-boyfriend can shake their collective head at you.

    as fervently as you declare to the world that roosh was the most worthless, least important man in your life, we see that he was the opposite. and herein lies the disgrace of anoukange. you would tear him down even now, so many months after he planted seed in your dry vagina on a public bus somewhere in south africa, and wave your banner to rally the troops around you. but that’s not how this works.

    you are a never-ending validation to run asshole game as a lifestyle choice. because, though you have been rubbing elbows with this upper crust of company here, and surely attracting courtship from many gentlemen in real life, here you are, mewling over your “one” “inconsequential” “mistake”. pleading here for absolution, with no pride and no assurance your words will even be seen.

    all the men who have made eyes at you this past year could not have known the emotions you harbor to this very evening for your favorite little rascal. perhaps some took you on dates, bought you gifts, paid you compliments, cooed sweet nothings. well, we see now what an impression they have made. we remember this when it comes time for those tasks in our own lives. we realize.

    roissy told such a story once about fucking a married mother who couldn’t stop rehashing her glory days as a rock’n’roll groupie. while the theme is the same, i was able to distend myself then just a bit, just enough to keep it impersonal. and while we are hardly on personal terms over the internet, your presence and behavior are very real.

    this is your grand irony. as insistent as you are to the contrary, you are a vivid anecdote that hedonistic vitalism trumps conservative temperance. i do not take pleasure in gloating about this. to the contrary, you inspire a nihilistic depression here.

    as intelligent, creative, and beautiful as you may be, you are surely worthless to the well-intentioned. as favorably as you compare to your female peers, you prove that so many women below your metrics, and perhaps even many above, are also simply unacceptable. you make me nauseous.

    [editor: a soul was serrated tonight.]

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  124. on May 4, 2010 at 2:18 am Cannon's Canon

    either that hit some wordpress buzzwords, or i am being screened, wisely. check back in the morning.

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  125. on May 4, 2010 at 2:37 am Nicole

    narzheewa says, ”

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-fat-ear-bite,0,657752.story

    Don’t you dare to tell someone the truth, they might just attack you like a wild animal.”

    Okay, I have to admit that this made me laugh. She really really doesn’t like rude people.

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  126. on May 4, 2010 at 2:54 am yoda

    perpetual boredom is an ADHD/narcissistic personality disorder issue. those women always get divorced. marry a woman with an attention span who can stick to a project for many years in a devoted fashion and you won’t get divorced. marry a flake who graduated college in five years, takes ritalin, travels everywhere, is promiscuous, uses drugs and can’t keep a job for more than one year… expect to get divorced.

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  127. on May 4, 2010 at 2:57 am PontifX

    Roissy – What you wrote there…

    That’s real value. Just look deeper. It’s deeper then that. It’s not just about women, it’s even about humanity.

    I wish I could say more, but this game shit is entertainment until my research is done.

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  128. on May 4, 2010 at 3:01 am kaikou

    Anoukage-

    So you want an apology? Probably not going to happen (you know this), at least not on this blog post. Stop wasting your time.

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  129. on May 4, 2010 at 3:02 am Nicole

    G says, “The motto of Game is to get laid. Not to make things “work” with girls.

    A woman value is 99% sexual. Once a man has slept with you, he got what he wanted and you are at his mercy. Just like now.”

    At his mercy?

    How is a woman at a man’s mercy after doing the equivalent of a risky handshake and moving on?

    Once the dumping is done, it’s just done. Nobody’s at anybody’s mercy.

    As cold hearted as most women are today, guys should really get the idea out of their heads that they mean anything to a woman just because of the sex. A woman may have wanted you to mean something to her, but once she figures out that you’re not going to invest, then except in rare stalker cases, it’s onward to the next.

    IMO, Anoukange is just butthurt that the sun rises in the morning, and sets at night, and should just get over it.

    If indeed he is a dork, and he shagged her, then it doesn’t matter much which of them feels they were slumming. He has tight enough game that she slept with him despite his dorkiness.

    Alpha or not, she opened her legs and took in his dorcock. End of story. Next bitch.

    This is like one of my old bitches coming to my blog crying about how they’re so much better than me. They don’t do that because it would never occur to a guy to go there, even though in the case of my bitches, it wasn’t exactly casual, and there were feelings involved although I was more in touch with mine.

    If women want to have casual sex like men, then they should learn to take what comes with that like men do. You did the thing. Nobody forced or tricked you into it. Hit it and forget it, or don’t have casual sex.

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  130. on May 4, 2010 at 3:03 am TFH

    Let’s be fair, she’s 7.5 at least. *Maybe* an 8.

    Then again, I haven’t seen her nekkid.

    Wait, hold on — she’s over 30. That knocks her back down into the sub 8′s.

    As I said, a 7. That is a respectable score in an age where so many women are overweight. I’d give Lilgirl a 7 or 7.5 tops, so Anoukange is in that range, despite being older.

    My body is an 8, my face is a 7

    Perhaps. Note, however, that your body score will lose 0.5 points every 24 months from now, slipping to a 6 by 2014. As a man, I am just as saddened by this as you (I want more beauty in the world, not less, and for women to be hotter for longer.).

    It was the middle of the bus, not the back, no one even knew what we were doing.

    Not that that changes the main point. The middle isn’t more respectable than the back, when you are already doing it rawdog in an unclean bus.

    And my own heartbreak got him into my pants, not his game.

    Why him and not any other guy? His Game. Good Game can make heartbreak channel to the man with Game, rather than others.

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  131. on May 4, 2010 at 3:10 am JC

    Wow, this thread has REALLY gone off topic.

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  132. on May 4, 2010 at 3:16 am margaret

    I prefer passion to curiosity. It is contagious. I have a friend who never goes out on new year’s eve. Instead, he surrounds himself by atlases and globes and celebrates with all time zones with a glass of port each hour. I think he starts with Cook Islands. And at 4 past midnight he is all obnoxious waking everyone up cheering for new year in Greenland.

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  133. on May 4, 2010 at 3:16 am Nicole

    I’ll go one better about the difference in exes. I’m sure at least two of mine feel that they were slumming with me. Those same two also try to get back in, and I knock them back, quoting Roissy from time to time about the whys.

    I’m positive that they are both really confused and upset about the fact that lowly, fat, Black, inferior I don’t want to shag them again. What’s even funnier is that for the first few minutes of the conversation, they’re telling me, “No, I don’t think you’re ugly,” and, “I thought we had something special.”

    After awhile though, it’s who-do-you-think-you-are…

    Half racist snobs with persecution complexes actually do not understand why someone who discovered that about them would not want to have sex with them anymore.

    Yet and still, even though they’re male and would therefore have much less to lose from outing themselves or dissing me, they don’t in public. Why?

    Because since they feel I’m ugly and inferior, they don’t want the whole world to see that they shagged an ugly, inferior woman. It would make them look bad. It would also make them look bad to say “bad” things about me that were true and known to them when they met me. They’d look like the fools.

    Anoukange, for the love of all that is good, don’t you see what you’re doing here?

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  134. on May 4, 2010 at 3:20 am kaikou

    @ JC

    Amen!

    @ Roissy

    You like a redheads?

    [editor: fuck yeah. and redheads with green eyes are the hole-y grail.]

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  135. on May 4, 2010 at 3:47 am unlearning genius ...

    haha .. damn this anoukange shit is real funny … bitch you are a cheap slut .. who cares what was said .. he dipped his wick and tossed you aside .. you are dumb enough to come and tell us all about it .. .. have you no shame or wisdom?

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  136. on May 4, 2010 at 3:48 am unlearning genius ...

    “It was the middle of the bus, not the back, no one even knew what we were doing. ”

    Roosh .. hats off
    anoukange .. slut

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  137. on May 4, 2010 at 3:52 am unlearning genius ...

    “oh, and I can sing, really. So that’s got to count for something too. ”

    rofllmao .. dude, this is unreal! … a singing slut .. damn have you tried getting hitched by some middle eastern rich guy .. they love the singing dancing shit there …

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  138. on May 4, 2010 at 4:18 am the realist

    “My body is an 8, my face is a 7, my heart is a 10.”

    haha whats this heart shit about, love hearing sluts talk about love n shit. I knew you lied to yourself about your looks but come on now you’ve invented some other category you can be a 10 in. no your heart value as far as a man is concerned is 10 subtract the number of cocks that have been inside you. I reckon you’re a 4 at best dear.

    Oh yeh and i’m still waiting for the evidence that your exes are Alphas anoukange, you know what it’s going to take. Pictures/videos of hot chicks(hotter than you please) riding the dicks.

    Thanx again.

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  139. on May 4, 2010 at 4:21 am the realist

    10 cocks and games up. YOU DON’T HAVE A HEART.

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  140. on May 4, 2010 at 4:35 am the realist

    “ONE. One shallow hook up. Fuck off. I was heartbroken when seeking my one and only shallow fuck.”

    lolzolzozl seriously if a girl has fucked 1 guy you know, add 4 more guys. 2 guys you know, add 8 more guys that you don’t know about. Too much of a coincidence, of all the guys in the world…..

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  141. on May 4, 2010 at 4:36 am TheDarkLord

    Anoukange,

    I don’t really care about your thing with roosh. But your blog is really quite beautiful.

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  142. on May 4, 2010 at 5:45 am Nicole

    Realist, I don’t think a woman loses her ability to bond simply from shagging 10 men or even more. It’s just that one has to consider the circumstances under which that happened as indicative of her level of heart, and also consider the effects.

    Getting pumped and dumped once is enough to scar some women for life.

    Women have to take responsibility for their own recovery, and not compound any damage by engaging in stupid behaviors that are soul killing, just because they’re trendy.

    Because it’s trendy though, it’s more realistic to demand that women who engage in casual sex, adhere to the “bro code” since after all, they’re behaving like men by seeking out casual sex.

    It doesn’t matter if it’s once or a thousand times. Some stuff you just don’t do if you have a heart.

    I damn for sure wouldn’t go all up in my former bitches’ blogs to talk trash about them…*especially* if I think they’re a dork.

    I’m trying to look at it from Roosh’s point of view. If, as an ugly ass woman, I figured out some kind of secret that would get an endless string of hot guys wanting to marry me, and it worked a few times, I’d be shouting it from the mountain tops to assist my Cigstachian Sisterhood.

    Let the dude have his day in the sun. All one does by complaining is reinforce the fact that his method works, and makes it look more like she deserved the dumping part.

    If she does still have a heart, then she should show that here. I don’t think she’s a slut at all, but she would have done better to walk away and not look back.

    Someone can’t get revenge on your gender through you if you’re not there.

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  143. on May 4, 2010 at 7:37 am anoukange

    The realist-

    hey a-hole. I’ve been with six guys and I don’t lie. I was in long terms where I was faithful and committed for over twelve years. Some casual time was much needed for me so I may have acted slutty for a brief period in time but I am not a slut. I could easily be a slut but I chose not to be. Stop lying about me. You have to lie to increase my number, you have to lie to insult me…what does that tell you…? What a fucking tool you are….battling it out with a stranger on the internet….get a life dude.

    TFH-

    Much of that to you was meant to be funny, not for you to analyze further, thanks. Roosh scored because we were born on the same day, no other player has ever scored with me. I could care less about the sex. It was a very minor part of the whole thing. I thought dude was a friend. A casual one, but a friend. I dislike him because he lied.

    unlearning-

    you’re wrong. you’re talking of something you know nothing of. The nature of the fling was casual, I have no bones about it being casual.

    to all: I am 32, almost 33 years old. My body is still tight and I have no wrinkles on my face. My hair still shines, my skin still glows and is soft. My spirit is still enchanted by this thing called life and I carry no jaded views of anyone. I don’t judge sluts, I don’t judge players, I don’t judge prudes, etc. Do your thing, all of you and try to seek happiness however you feel you need to. If any of you can do it better than me and maintain better than me, then you should speak, and only then. I should get points for taking good care of myself. I would love to see what you all look like in ten years. I will still look good because I care to and because my genes will allow me to.

    Nicole–

    You’re a dude in disguise, don’t speak for me. I do not relate to you or how you come at life at all. For a pretty girl to not have slutted it up when offers were abound is a good thing. It’s disciplined. You talk way too much like a guy for me to be able to relate to anything you say. My heart is not cold, it was attached to someone else when I had my one and only casual sex fling.

    “Dark lord”–

    Thank you. You have good taste.

    In the end who wins? Those who find happiness For me, it’s being in love and producing decent art and trying to bring more beauty to the world. It’s remaining adventurous and open. I am ethereal in spirit and inspired by life. I care for other humans and will continue to. I win.

    I won’t get an apology from Roosh, I know, but he should watch his back when he comes back to the DC area, many people are protective of me and if they see him out they may want to express this protection of me by beating his ass…even with his thug of a friend who can’t dress. Squeal like a piggy Rooshy!!

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  144. on May 4, 2010 at 7:47 am sdaedalus

    Anouk

    You are beautiful, you must know that. Although no one is to the taste of every other member of the opposite sex (even the likes of Sophia Loren in her youth had her detractors) I am sure that you have manifold admirers..

    You have great style and taste. By all accounts your notch count is not a lot for a girl your age in the US.

    Roosh was a mistake for you, it sounds like you both hurt one another. Just move on from him and stop apologising for him, for your age and for imagined defects in your looks. You are not old, but you are old enough to know better.

    Your blog is great, I enjoy reading it, but not the whole Roosh thing, this is really depressing me at this stage.
    Be an example for those of us, men and women, who would like to move on ourselves. Show us that we do not have to get caught in a vicious cycle of blame and self-blame, that we do not have to waste more of our lives in self-defence and self-reproaches.

    Please. I really wish you all the best.

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  145. on May 4, 2010 at 7:48 am Plank

    I’d give Lilgirl a 7 or 7.5 tops, so Anoukange is in that range, despite being older.

    I initially thought you were being generous with the 7, but then you bought lilgrl up. Now it just seems harsh. If lilgrl is a 7.5, anouk is a 12.5.

    Let’s break it down:

    lilgrl has a
    – 2 face
    – 6 body
    –> 4 overall

    anouk has a
    – 5 face
    – 8 body
    –> 6.5 overall

    Not bad for anouk, despite being a decade older. Of course when you scale for personalities, both scores come down drastically. Ah, the modern woman.

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  146. on May 4, 2010 at 8:01 am TheDarkLord

    @anoukange:”I won’t get an apology from Roosh, I know, but he should watch his back when he comes back to the DC area, many people are protective of me and if they see him out they may want to express this protection of me by beating his ass”

    To which one might reply:

    “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned,
    Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,”

    I understand that you’re mightily pissed off, I understand that you need to vent, but this is just not attractive.

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  147. on May 4, 2010 at 8:03 am Nicole

    Anoukange, “dude in disguise”? Thank you for the compliment. For awhile there, I thought I was driving on the border of Pussyville by even reading your posts enough to figure out what you were on about.

    Since you’re having trouble relating, I’ll spell this out in a way that perhaps in your supreme girliness you might understand.

    Pretty or not pretty, you’re a hole.

    All you were to him is a soft, wet hole.

    We all have one of those.

    They’re made for fucking.

    Pretty or not pretty, all holes are the same.

    When you have casual sex, you’re just a hole. Why should your hole mean more to him than any other hole he’s been in.

    …because you’re pretty?

    …because you can sing?

    …because your hole has had fewer guys fuck it?

    All of these things that you value in yourself, and that others may value in you meant and mean nothing to him.

    Is that so hard for you to get?

    Why are you here?

    That is a rhetorical question. You’re here to try to get other people in his social/internet sphere to tell you how valuable your hole is, and that something is wrong with him for not valuing your hole over the perhaps hundreds of holes he’s been in.

    You’re trying to make it look as if because he doesn’t value your hole (and likely nobody else’s either) he must be less of a man.

    He is the same man you opened your hole for. You just thought you meant more to him than you did.

    Now, I realize that as a pretty girl, you don’t experience that much. Millions of other manginas would be happy to thump donuts with you.

    But take it from me, an ugly girl who has been through this more often than you that the best way to get through the experience is to keep stepping, and don’t look back. It’s not worth compounding your humiliation by returning like a dog to its vomit.

    As is true whenever guys try to boost their alpha cred by picking on me to show they can afford to alienate all the ugly chicks, I think something similar motivated you to shag Roosh in the first place.

    He may have been “just your friend” and you may not have expected a relationship to come out of it, but you were looking for something. I think I know what it is, because I know a few women like you.

    You were looking for a fanboy. You’re so hot and this and that, and he (in all his glorious game-ness) wasn’t going to let you have that without a fuck. So you gave up the hole to get an ego boost with someone you viewed as pitiful and pathetic.

    If you didn’t view him as this, you wouldn’t be talking all this crap now. The reason this is messing with your head is because you didn’t get the worship for being the Blessed Angel of Hot Chickitude who lowered herself to touch a mere mortal. Instead, you got the same treatment that any other girl gets.

    Get over it. Get over it fast because you’re 30 now, and your time is running out.

    You had better find something other than your hole and your hotness with which to get whatever validation you need before it’s too late and you’re doing worse things to yourself than stalking one time flings.

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  148. on May 4, 2010 at 8:08 am pointed

    Whoa! Slamdunk Nicole! hi5

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  149. on May 4, 2010 at 8:38 am Dilbert Hole

    The Internet has no memory.

    No, wait, that’s the Pacific. The Internet, for all intents and purposes, has infinite and everlasting memory. This is a good thing to consider prior to contributing your own dirty laundry to it.

    Anouk, someday you may meet a guy you like, who is tempted to throw his emotional lot in with yours. How do you expect that he’ll feel reading not only the gory details of your sordid affair with Roosh, but also your florid prose about your other men?

    Given your exhibitionist nature, I think you should seek a voyeur/cuckold type. Most men understand that your romantic and sexual life didn’t begin with them, but prefer not to have this demonstrate to them in blow-by-blow surgical detail. Indeed, most men would feel revulsion at this notion. Especially the men who are inclined to feel possessive of you.

    Well, it’s something to contemplate, anyway.

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  150. on May 4, 2010 at 9:08 am Dilbert Hole

    Heck, someday your kids, if you have any, may be reading all of this.

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  151. on May 4, 2010 at 9:15 am namae nanka

    “Gilder wrote Sexual Suicide in 1973. He was awarded the title of Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year by both Time and the National Organization for Women.”

    Must’ve been awful brave of him.

    “(Sexual Suicide was revised and reissued in 1987 with a new title, “Men & Marriage”.)

    Gilder concluded that heterosexual marriage was the key to civilization, and that homosexuality, welfare (which, by making men financially superfluous to a family, led to emasculation and illegitimacy), and feminism (ditto) were its downfall.”

    The conclusion is sound(if it specifies monogamy) but the fundamental flaw I see in his work(the part I read of) is giving off the impression that: it’s the primarily men’s sexuality that is tamed under marriage,

    “The crucial process of civilization is the subordination of male sexual impulses and biology to the long-term horizons of female sexuality. The overall sexual behavior of women in the modern world differs relatively little from the sexual life of women in primitive societies. It is male behavior that must be changed to create a civilized order.”

    and that men are civil not in spite of women but because of them.
    It makes it sound as if monogamy has resulted from women’s wishes and not as a rule that a majority of men made for themselves.

    If infer that it’s his work that is one of the reasons that the adage that “marriage or women civilize men” has been accepted without any significant opposition and without a thought about how much it does so for women.

    Feminists might have been outraged by his work, but it would have helped their cause tremendously that an anti-feminist’s work agreed with their own truths.

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  152. on May 4, 2010 at 9:53 am PA

    Modernity = confused young girls not having guidance from smart older broads like Nicole.

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  153. on May 4, 2010 at 9:56 am dragnet

    @ Nicole

    “You were looking for a fanboy. You’re so hot and this and that, and he (in all his glorious game-ness) wasn’t going to let you have that without a fuck. So you gave up the hole to get an ego boost with someone you viewed as pitiful and pathetic.

    If you didn’t view him as this, you wouldn’t be talking all this crap now. The reason this is messing with your head is because you didn’t get the worship for being the Blessed Angel of Hot Chickitude who lowered herself to touch a mere mortal. Instead, you got the same treatment that any other girl gets.

    Get over it. Get over it fast because you’re 30 now, and your time is running out.”

    Nailed it.

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  154. on May 4, 2010 at 10:12 am anoukange

    Nicole,
    thanks for the breakdown, I do get it. I just choose to not live my life according to the philosophies held by many here. Did you not read my story and comments? I have no problem with being a “hole” for a one time casual tryst. One one night stand in an entire life in this day and age is nothing significant, at all. It is something larger that I remain in defense of. Friendship and being decent to people. The veiw is too harsh here and leaves no room for the freedom and exploration of love.

    Dilbert,

    Any guy I am with will know that I am a creative type and we tend to explore our love and sexual pasts. I have written of my love life before (was even published twice) and guys that I have been with were cool with it. Everyone has a past, the secure and confident aren’t bothered by someone’s past and are only concerned with the present, but thank you for your concern. I am a very honest person and my children would have an artist as a mom so I them seeing me push the limits will be nothing new to them.

    SD,
    As always, thanks for your frienship but this is something that I must do. I’m sorry to disapoint you, really I am. I hope you can someday understand, I must stand up against someone who has lied and has told the internet world that I felt something that I didn’t for him. If I was a weak person, or insecure wiht my looks or within my character, I would not be doing this.

    Dark Lord-

    It’s not my fault some male friends of mine want to set him straight with an old-fashion kick in the nads. That is their business, not mine any longer. He made his bed, now he has to deal.

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  155. on May 4, 2010 at 10:14 am anoukange

    This is about standing up to someone who has lied, not about anything else. I’ll worry about me, you all worry about yourselves. thanks.

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  156. on May 4, 2010 at 10:22 am anoukange

    Nicole,
    I “gave it up” because I feel love deeply and was heartbroken over a realtionship ending too soon. I just wanted another man’s hands on me to help erase the memory of heat, lust, and love scorched into my brain of the man I loved. It’s that simple. Any guy would have done. I wanted to feel something else other than what I was feeling…anything else at all really. I just wanted escape. It was ideal to that he turned out to be a player, it was supposed to make it less complicated by design. I just chose the wrong player. It could have been short and sweet. I wanted no commitment, no strings. I wanted to lay under someone to make my sadness go away. Almost my entire blog is written for the man I loved prior to meeting Roosh. Roosh should have just done right by me and treated me with the same friendship standards that I treated him with.

    I will let this go when all of you let your comments go. The more you all write, the more I will.

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  157. on May 4, 2010 at 10:23 am Dilbert Hole

    Everyone has a past, the secure and confident aren’t bothered by someone’s past and are only concerned with the present, but thank you for your concern.

    The secure and confident don’t spend months and hundreds of paragraphs in vain attempts to “set the story straight” about the past that they’re so secure and confident about. But nice try at a neg, if a bit… canned.

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  158. on May 4, 2010 at 10:23 am sdaedalus

    Anouk

    Your life is your choice and no one else can really tell you how to live it. I hope you find happiness at the end of your quest. I will always enjoy reading your blog.

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  159. on May 4, 2010 at 10:29 am Dilbert Hole

    The whole “not concerned with the past, but only with the present” bromide, to the extent that it holds any weight at all, only holds weight for those who are also not concerned with the future. The kind of man, in other words, who aims not to have and to hold, but to pump and to dump.

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  160. on May 4, 2010 at 10:53 am Paul

    Any women reading this blog should know that your chances of marrying a decent guy is a function of how many guys you have slept with & how much money your family has. If your family has money he may look over a storied sexual history. If not, good luck.

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  161. on May 4, 2010 at 11:00 am Jacko

    @sdaedalus,

    “Your life is your choice and no one else can really tell you how to live it.”

    I didn’t think you were the moral relativist type. Of course there are times when people need to hear the truth.

    @Anouk,

    Nicole summed up what I was trying to tell you. I think you need to know something: so called ‘alpha males’ and ‘beta males’ will get together and share poon stories. You’re a poon story, not a Goddess. Now is the time to develop your character. Move on.

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  162. on May 4, 2010 at 11:10 am dana

    how utterly embarrassing

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  163. on May 4, 2010 at 11:38 am Nicole

    Anouk, do you think a “player” really and truly gives a rat’s ass about honor?

    FYI, they don’t. You’re barking up the wrong tree even mentioning that you and Roosh ever even did it. He should be like a non issue. If you did mention that you had a one nighter for educational purposes, none of us should know that it’s him.

    Whoever outed whoever or lied on whoever was wrong. So you care, that’s great. Care as much as you want. What I’m saying is that he doesn’t, and all of your posting here is not going to make him care.

    You’re just embarassing yourself. His wrong actions embarass him, but yours embarass you.

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  164. on May 4, 2010 at 12:06 pm sdaedalus

    I didn’t think you were the moral relativist type

    What is the moral relativist type? Do tell.

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  165. on May 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm Skadi

    Anouk, you are beautiful, especially for American/Western standards. You have a wonderful pool of men in DC to pick from (either older or younger, artist or athlete). Forget about the men in your past, they’re insignificant now – think about all the new, good men you could encounter.

    Don’t listen to these men here who just want to devalue you. You’re a beautiful, gentle, feminine, sensitive and deep woman that deserves much better than these posts.

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  166. on May 4, 2010 at 12:17 pm unbelievable

    Most guys on here would never have a girlfriend as pretty as Anouk. Get real and get over it.

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  167. on May 4, 2010 at 12:19 pm dragnet

    “I will let this go when all of you let your comments go. The more you all write, the more I will.”

    That’s basically the opposite of what you should do in this situation.

    ***********************************************

    One of the more unfortunate—but ubiquitous—faults in the modern woman is the completely inability to just move on from things gracefully. Young women these days don’t do anything with dignity—they don’t wield their sexual power with dignity, they don’t age with dignity, and they don’t make mistakes with dignity. Nothing is done with dignity. Every single moment is an “I WILL SURVIVE!!!” moment or a manic attempt to hold someone accountable, no matter how reprobate. It’s self-indulgent, overwrought, silly and ultimately futile.

    The tragedy is that so many young women never had the chance to learn any better, because their mothers are every bit as frivolous and silly as they are. The kind of wisdom and dignity that Nicole was talking about—the inner strength to just move on—is so rare in women these days, because their mothers rejected it and their grandmothers have passed away. So all you have is these clueless young women, their useless mothers, and a society that has shielded them from 99 percent of consequences of their actions and has attempted to forbid public scorn of their decisionmaking. They don’t have dignity because they were never taught it, and they weren’t taught it because we tried to make so they wouldn’t need it.

    So you get situations like this one between Roosh & Anoukange in which any sensible human being can see that it would have been far more life-affirming for her to just move on with her head held high…but she instead prefers to repeatedly storm the ramparts like that crazed bitch from “The Ring”.

    It’s sad—all the more so because it really doesn’t have to be this way.

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  168. on May 4, 2010 at 12:26 pm sdaedalus

    Dragnet

    I agree that the “dog with a bone” approach is not good.

    There are some things that it is worth standing and fighting over, but the precise nature of the relationship between Roosh or Anouk or indeed the comments passed to Anouk on this blog are not among them.

    But ultimately Anouk has to make her own decision on this, if people are pressed too hard to act in a certain way, sometimes this prompts them to do the reverse, none of us are immune from this.

    I would say though, that sometimes the greater power belongs to he or she who simply walks away from the situation rather than trying to tie up every loose end. It is a bit like in negotiation – the person who can afford to walk away (or who can give the impression that they can afford to walk away) holds the power. It’s worth bearing this in mind.

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  169. on May 4, 2010 at 12:29 pm hunter

    So Roosh finally broke anoukange’s brain. Hilarious.

    Yeah, she should stop talking, but I hope she doesn’t. This stuff is gold. Repeat how good and deserving a woman you are enough times and people will believe you? Also, I’m Not A Slut!!! Silly girl.

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  170. on May 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm G

    Nicole says “At his mercy?

    How is a woman at a man’s mercy after doing the equivalent of a risky handshake and moving on?

    Once the dumping is done, it’s just done. Nobody’s at anybody’s mercy.”

    Physically. If the fuck was long,hard,passionnate, the woman’s body itself will crave the man. Psychologically. Emotions are 10x stronger in women, attachment IS an important risk. Also most of the emotionnal responses are inversely proportional : the more we don’t care, the more women do. Socially. Women are social creatures and they must always deal with how their surrounding will see them depending on wich guy they fuck. This produce drama. Not that they don’t love it (see all MTV shows).

    Voila.

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  171. on May 4, 2010 at 12:33 pm Skadi

    What about male dignity? It’s almost gone too.. 😦

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  172. on May 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm hunter

    Has anyone here “read” her blog? A 30+ year old taking myspace self portraits! Duckfaces! And So much more qualifying…

    Oh yeah, and she’s not a slut. She just sleeps with players and posts pics of herself in her underwear. But she’s not a slut. She’s a good woman, dammit!

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  173. on May 4, 2010 at 12:38 pm Dave

    @PA: Modernity: Copious evidence of why the ancients treated women as minors, particularly young woman who hold the future of the state, art, intellectual pursuits in their wombs. Ancients would view moderns as insane by allowing many young women – particularly high status young women – to behave in the manner evident in this “drama” thread.

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  174. on May 4, 2010 at 12:48 pm Skadi

    Of course, women should be very selective about casual sex, but the emotional tie is being overestimated here.. sure, energies are exchanged and women are more emotional while men typically more detached but it’s really not like a piece of you is left with every men you lay with. The casual act of sex is not that significant, unless the man involved really means something to the woman.

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  175. on May 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm dragnet

    “What about male dignity? It’s almost gone too.. :-(”

    No question that male dignity has sustained incredible damage as well. But the situation isn’t as dire for men because our society isn’t nearly as induglent of its men as it is of its women. Young men are reguarly confronted with the consequences of their actions—but we have all but eliminated this constraint for young women.

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  176. on May 4, 2010 at 12:53 pm Laura

    Dragnet’s advice is good.

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  177. on May 4, 2010 at 12:54 pm Skadi

    Likewise, let’s reminisce about what the ancients expected of men and what code the men had to live by… male and female behaviors are intertwined, they cannot be judged separately… they are the two sides of a coin.

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  178. on May 4, 2010 at 1:00 pm Skadi

    Unfortunately, many young men get away with a lot of irresponsibility. The men are simply not held to the highest standards of masculinity as they used to be. Men today have much more freedom than in the older times (which is great, but also detrimental to their discipline and overall quality). They have much fewer obligations and more spoils these days.

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  179. on May 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm ExtraStout

    LOL

    Insane chicks like anoukange are the reason I usually give a fake name to girls I fuck, and give them as few details about my life as possible.

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  180. on May 4, 2010 at 1:08 pm Dave

    @ExtraStout: Yeah, a wise old sage once told me when they ask you what you do tell them you sell no. 2 pencils.

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  181. on May 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm maurice

    anouk, sweetie, let it go. really.

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  182. on May 4, 2010 at 1:44 pm Dilbert Hole

    I draw your attention to today’s post on defusing the anti-slut defense. Who’s eliminated all constraints of decency and virtue from our women and men? Why, those who stand to profit from the resulting licentiousness. Men are just as profligate with their resources as women are with their sex. Both stand to end up hollow and lonely.

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  183. on May 4, 2010 at 1:46 pm Dave

    Modernity: A regime of laws that assume young women have the sense to know what is best for them and awards them with the right to make their own decisions. It flies in the face of common sense, art, practical experience and just about every milieu outside the legal realm. Practical Experience: Women quickly tire of men who do not take the lead in a relationship and make the decisions. Art: Elizabeth Bennet, who is held up as an ideal for modern femininity, actually had more in common with her scandalous sister Lydia in that neither one of them were capable of seeing through the deceits of Mr. Wickham and making decisions in their own best interest.

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  184. on May 4, 2010 at 2:24 pm Doug1

    dragnet–

    Young men are reguarly confronted with the consequences of their actions—but we have all but eliminated this constraint for young women.

    This is very true and a key insight.

    Any effort to impose consequence and constraint on young women is attacked as vile misogyny.

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  185. on May 4, 2010 at 2:57 pm TheDarkLord

    @anoukange:”It’s not my fault some male friends of mine want to set him straight with an old-fashion kick in the nads.”

    I see, you are a beautiful princess and have a retinue of beta white knights.

    Tell us, once these gentlemen have defended your honour, will you award them with a gratitude fuck?

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  186. on May 4, 2010 at 3:04 pm PA

    but we have all but eliminated this constraint for young women.

    Women also pay for their mistakes — just later. A guy usually sees the consequences of his actions immediately: he gets beat up, killed, arrested, or epic-fails at pickup.

    Girls grow old, childless and unneeded by anyone. Listened to those fertility clinic ads on the radio. The fiat bankers lie to the girls too.

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  187. on May 4, 2010 at 3:34 pm xsplat

    fake name to girls I fuck

    Do you fake the first name also?

    Me, I fake only the last, and carry fake ID with me. I prefer to never say my last name.

    Paranoid? Or educated.

    Damn, if only my face had lips. The stories I could tell.

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  188. on May 4, 2010 at 3:43 pm xsplat

    Dilbert Hole

    The whole “not concerned with the past, but only with the present” bromide, to the extent that it holds any weight at all, only holds weight for those who are also not concerned with the future. The kind of man, in other words, who aims not to have and to hold, but to pump and to dump.

    Or to have and to hold for the present.

    Some of us really are present tense oriented, and think little of either the past or the future.

    Que sera, sera.

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  189. on May 4, 2010 at 3:44 pm Jeffrey of Troy

    “greatbooksformen

    once upon a time conservatism was about

    1) teh great books
    2) teh constitution
    3) promoting morality
    4) heroism
    5) self sacrifice
    6) russell kirk
    7) edmund burke
    8) the founding fathers
    9) masiac law
    10) biblical morality
    11) sound money
    12) free market capitalism (chich necesitates sound money)

    i challenge the weekly standard to promote these entities and celebrate our heroes fighting far off wars on foreign shores, instead of repetating tucker max’s pr lies int thie pages.

    that would be kool & we all look forward to it!! lzolzlzlzlzlz”

    Are conservatives starting to see the difference between themselves and the psychopaths that have long since hijacked your group/movement? Their lack of compassion matches your lack of compassion; but you have been turning a blind eye to their lack of shame.

    Example: Bush 43 smirking and strutting for 7 years as he presided over raping torturing and murdering all over the world, and the simultaneous destruction of the U.S. economy. Just meaningless fun for the “people” who inherit that particular brain defect.

    Anouk:

    Keep defending the truth, no matter what the consequences.

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  190. on May 4, 2010 at 3:49 pm xsplat

    Nanka

    It makes it sound as if monogamy has resulted from women’s wishes and not as a rule that a majority of men made for themselves.

    Men sometimes feel monogamous, when in the initial throes of love. We sometimes lose interest in other girls. But don’t be mistaken to think that the enormous pressure women put on us to stay faithful isn’t some big OverParent SuperEgo Moral ethic we take on and assume it comes from inside us. Sometimes men are monogamous because we were trained to be monogamous. Don’t confuse operant conditioning with free will.

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  191. on May 4, 2010 at 3:52 pm xsplat

    Dilbert

    Indeed, most men would feel revulsion at this notion. Especially the men who are inclined to feel possessive of you.

    Dilber, defind most. 51%?

    Haven’t you ever picked up a chick who was on the rebound? I know I sure have. God, they are so easy then.

    Who the fuck cares?! Women are supposed to love and feel deeply. It’s a good sign.

    You project your weak ego onto most men. For my sake, I hope you are right.

    Makes my job a lot easier.

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  192. on May 4, 2010 at 3:57 pm xsplat

    “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned,
    Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,”

    I understand that you’re mightily pissed off, I understand that you need to vent, but this is just not attractive.

    Women are on a bell curve of introspection ability. At the lower end, they simply are incapable of seeing themselves as others see them, and the flip side of this is that they project what they feel onto what others feel. That’s borderline personality disorder. A lot of girls are full out full blown with a bore job, custom cams, header, dual exhaust and nitrous kit borderline. The average is just nuts, by men’s standards.

    Women who can’t see how jealousy and anger is unattractive can’t learn it. Even if they can see it intellectually, their emotions never grow up.

    That’s one definition of borderline – emotionally immature.

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  193. on May 4, 2010 at 4:00 pm dragnet

    “Women also pay for their mistakes — just later…Girls grow old, childless and unneeded by anyone. Listened to those fertility clinic ads on the radio. The fiat bankers lie to the girls too.”

    True of course, but it’s worth pointing out how incredibly hard our society has worked to make it seem as if these consequences are either desirable or completely immaterial. We don’t teach women to cultivate the power of feminine dignity, because we’ve decided to attempt to give them lifelong sexual power by celebrating cougardom and botox addiction. We don’t teach women the value of family, because we celebrate women who are too “independent” for children while at the same time encouraging single motherhood and consequently, the notion that men & fathers are disposable. The truth is that we’ve gone out of our way to shield women from the long-term consequences of their poor decisionmaking as much as we’ve done to shield them from short-term consequences. We haven’t worked one-tenth as hard to do the same for young men.

    The mark of a truly adroit chessplayer isn’t necessarily his ability to calculate variations 20 moves deep, or anticipate and thwart any plan of his opponent—but his ability to preserve and press hard won advantages and convert them among various forms as dictated by the demands of the position. The brilliant chessplayer doesn’t just nuture a material advantage—he converts it to a positional edge, and then a mating attack. More young women need to learn this lesson. You don’t keep your physical beauty forever…but if you can transition and evolve then you don’t have to.

    This is the lesson of our grandmothers. My grandmother was an absolutely stunning woman. But long after her looks & sexual power had faded, she managed to keep her husband in thrall to her because she had spent her younger years cultivating the tools she would need long after she was no longer able to cause traffic accidents by just getting up in the morning. In doing so, she extended her power over her husband in a way these aging hags rushing to get plastic surgery could only dream of.

    If you make good choices, if you cultivate your personality and learn to value the love of a good man, if you can learn to take your triumphs, defeats, and uncertainies with dignity then you will be less heavily invested in the fleeting sexual power of your youth and able to transition into some more lasting, worthy, and dare I say, beautiful when the time comes.

    And for women, that time usually begins around 35 or so—whether or not they want to believe it.

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  194. on May 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm Dilbert Hole

    xsplat, quite predictable. I’m not judging the voyeur/cuckold type nor the swinger lifestyle – where did you get that idea? To each his own… and the other guy’s… and that dude’s over there, too. Is it your weak ego that imagines slights where none are dispensed?

    Perhaps you’re right; perhaps it’s only the scant majority of men who would find watching the sex tape of their nascent love interest and another guy, distasteful or even disgusting. Yet, I don’t think I’m projecting, least of all projecting my “weak ego,” when I suppose that those men are overrepresented in the marriage-and-parenthood game. Not every woman is interested in playing that game but, again, more than a scant majority of them are.

    Allow your internal level of bullshit to drop for the moment to a level below your pupils and, preferably, mouth, and allow yourself the ability to perceive and admit the possibility that some, perhaps most, women out there are not suitable subjects for your ho improvement show. A hole or two drilled here, and some man spackle applied there, does not leave them better than new. But hey, you won’t stick around to see the facade crumble.

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  195. on May 4, 2010 at 4:28 pm Jacko

    What is the moral relativist type? Do tell.

    Moral relativists tend to think that morality is relative.

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  196. on May 4, 2010 at 4:29 pm Nicole

    G, the key word there is “passionate”.

    I can’t see having much passion for a one nighter. I haven’t lived a pretty girl life so I haven’t been shagged passionately by someone who didn’t love me. So I might have a hole in my education that way, so to speak.

    I’ll take your word for it though.

    Just whenever I may be confused about where I stand with a guy, it becomes very clear during the sex, even if I’m trying really hard to be optimistic. It prevented all but something like obligatory optimistic bonding that dissipated as soon as the hammer would fall and they’d decide they could do better.

    So walking away from those relationships was as easy as deleting their number, having a beer and a blog, and learning what I needed to learn from it. Spit spot.

    A one nighter should be like sandblast spot.

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  197. on May 4, 2010 at 4:32 pm dragnet

    @ Skadi

    “Unfortunately, many young men get away with a lot of irresponsibility. The men are simply not held to the highest standards of masculinity as they used to be. Men today have much more freedom than in the older times (which is great, but also detrimental to their discipline and overall quality). They have much fewer obligations and more spoils these days.”

    It is often said at this and like-minded blogs that no society has ever found a better way to civilize and productively channel the energies of its young men than to give them wives and children—a reproductive investment in that society. Women are postponing marriage and children for careers and graduate degrees, with many of demonstrating themselves to be generally unfit wives and mothers. You top that off with a misandric culture and a lack of confident, masculine role models and it’s no wonder men aren’t what they used to be.

    And most men don’t have “more spoils” these days. Desirable men have more spoils these days—but the other 80 percent are definitely worse off today than 60-70 years ago.

    You have learned nothing during your sojourn here.

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  198. on May 4, 2010 at 4:35 pm Aunt Haley

    dragnet, all of your comments on this post have been excellent. Thank you.

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  199. on May 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm xsplat

    Dilbert

    Perhaps you’re right; perhaps it’s only the scant majority of men who would find watching the sex tape of their nascent love interest and another guy

    Oh. I didn’t realize that was what you were talking about. I thought you were talking about blog posts about a previous romantic interest.

    My mistake.

    As for the rest of your comment, I couldn’t parse any meaning from it other than acrimony. Something about how I’m deluded about sluts being able to bond, or something? Uh, no. I’m all about the nuance. I’m all against the black and the white.

    That’s why I called you out on your thinking. MOST men? Hmmmm. Seems suspect.

    Unless it’s about what you now say it’s about. I wonder how I misread you so badly? My mistake.

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  200. on May 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm Doug1

    dragnet–

    Yes, your last two comments especially have been excellent.

    The truth is that we’ve gone out of our way to shield women from the long-term consequences of their poor decisionmaking as much as we’ve done to shield them from short-term consequences.

    Yes.

    All paid for by men in a host of ways, especially child support to single “oops” pregnancy mothers for kids the man never wanted with her but she did (or she would have not “oopsed” accidentally on purpose, or taken Plan B, or aborted, or given for adoption) and divorce 2.0.

    But also VAWA and incredibly one sided hair trigger sexual harassment law scaring corps into even more draconian internal policies often enough. And tilting the playing field from school to office jobs in girls favor, such that firing them for not pulling their own weight is much more dangerous than letting a more productive guy go, it cuts must be made.

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  201. on May 4, 2010 at 5:39 pm sdaedalus

    @Jacko

    I didn’t think you were the moral relativist type

    I am not a moral relativist, if someone is acting immorally (according to my definition of what is immoral, which is fairly narrow, stupid behaviour is not necessarily the same as immoral behaviour) I would have no compunction in pointing this out.

    “Your life is your choice and no one else can really tell you how to live it.”

    I can see how this would appear morally relativistic but think you may have been misled by one of my Irishisms here. Irish people are telling people what to do all the time while using this very phrase, of course we don’t mean a word of it. Irish mothers in particular specialise in this expression while of course expecting son and daughter to do exactly what they are told (maybe a form of reverse psychology?)

    Given that I was writing for an audience of Americans, it should have been more properly phrased as “your life is your choice and no one else can make the decision for you how to live it.”

    Apologies. I will try to keep my Irishisms under control but they do tend to run away with me on occasion, particularly when agitated about something.

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  202. on May 4, 2010 at 7:12 pm Jacko

    *Whew* Faith restored. Thank you. After all your education and refinement, and after 800 years of colonial degradation, to see the pride and hard work of your parents thrown away; to watch you become a common strumpet, it’s enough to make a man give up. Please don’t do that. Please don’t shame the names of Pearse, Connelly, Collins, Kevin Barry, and all the fine men who gave their lives for dear old Erin’s isle. My grandparents are from Kerry, and I’ve inherited that gene which will allow me to live the rest of my life with the remorse of knowing that you’ve fallen into the same trap that anoukange has apparently fallen into. I respect your need to give aid and comfort to anoukange, that is very kind of you, but she has now passed the Rubicon and there is no going back; she has been played and gamed cruelly. I don’t respect Roosh for it, but she should have known better. Having said that, let’s dispatch with this melancholy homily and raise our glasses to William Butler Yeats, the greatest poet in the English Canon:

    O’Driscoll scattered the cards
    And out of his dream awoke:
    Old men and young men and young girls
    Were gone like a drifting smoke;

    If you know this poem and it’s meaning then I’ll know you’ve not a slattern.

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  203. on May 4, 2010 at 7:26 pm me me me

    Cannon’s Canon

    Oh my lordy! Cannon is soooooooo smart! I think I’m in loooooove!!!!!

    Hi Cannon!!! 🙂

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  204. on May 4, 2010 at 7:49 pm Dalrock

    Dragnet,

    Words fail me. But thank you nonetheless for your wisdom and verse.

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  205. on May 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm Cannon's Canon

    hi chickie. i’ll let you test my digit ratio just so you’re sure, if ya know what i mean.

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  206. on May 4, 2010 at 8:24 pm me me me

    Ohh oh! Digit? Ratio? I don’t get it? Do I have to pass, like, a math test just to tell you I heart you?

    Math is hard!!

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  207. on May 4, 2010 at 8:36 pm Cannon's Canon

    haha wow

    you passed, darling

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  208. on May 4, 2010 at 9:04 pm anoukange

    I see a lot of you missed my whole point. If I am willing to stand up in front of this crowd and write like I don’t give a shit what the consequences are, wouldn’t that tell you I am more keen on the point of something other than pride or protecting myself from embarrassment? This isn’t embarrassing for me. He doesn’t count and I won’t date any of you (not that some of you aren’t fantastic). I am in love with a man who knows all about this. I am the free from pain or worry. I am happy, just pissed at the injustice of it all. I am pissed and going up against an ass clown for the sake of truth.

    Some of you have bee here too long and have lost touch with the larger picture.

    A casual fling is not the problem. Being a player is not the problem. I’m friends with a handful of guy that are players, I don’t judge. Do what makes you happy, whatever that is for some of you.

    The problem was that I continued to catch hell for a situation that was twisted. I was willing to let it go but you all kept bringing it up so I got tired of it. I don’t take someone meddling in my personal life (in real life) lightly. It’s not about Roosh or me or sex or pump and dumps or whatever else you all want to make this about. It is about someone lying about me and trying to hurt another person (Jorge) and myself in the process. If Roosh and I had never slept together, this would be the same battle. If I knowingly run the risk of some of you thinking the nasty things that you write and I STILL continue to write, I’m not sure what part of it you don’t get about me not being bothered by that. Think what you want. I am without care or fear of the risks and the attacks. I am quite aware of how it paints me to some and it’s all worth it for me.

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  209. on May 4, 2010 at 9:24 pm anoukange

    Cannon–

    No, it’s not about that. Can you hear me? Can you see my words? I am in love with a man, he is in love with me. You put way too much thought into my situation. It really is much simpler than that. This particular sub-society takes things and runs with them. I don’t need admirers. If I sought admiration, do you think I would be doing what I’m doing? Am I an idiot? Not here. I am very aware of the risks involved.

    My blog is an experiment in creative outlet “ting”. That is all. I could press the delete button at any time and when it no longer brings me satisfaction I will most likely will. Until then it’s for me.

    I am in DC specifically to try to assist in humanity. I know it seems idealistic and hopeless, but I believe in humans. I believe they can be good, wait, not just good, but great. Gandhi is a hero of mine. Granted I don’t replicate his style, but him and many others have influenced my own beliefs. I want to help people of lesser areas because I grew up poor myself. The man I am in love with feels the same, as many do here in DC and I hope to join him in his own work.

    I have learned many have given up on people but I cannot not buy into what you all believe and say entirely or I will be broken. The mentality of some in this part of the internet world is depressing and tough to read at times. But it still holds value when measuring society on the outside. One can learn from here but they have to have selective hearing. It is in my own best interest to not buy into a lot of what is expressed here. I value love. I will continue to.

    Cannon, you’re wrong in your view of the situation but I don’t think there’s much I can type here that would sway you into believing me.

    My blog, my comments, and my participation here have nothing to do with seeking attention or validation or admirers. Think what you want but I’m no fool. I would be doing things much differently if that were the case.

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  210. on May 4, 2010 at 9:35 pm anoukange

    Nicole,

    I am not trying to make anyone care, least of all someone I know who did not care at all for me, I was only interested in telling the truth of my own feelings because I grew tired of other people telling me how I felt.

    I am possessive of my own heart and what it feels. I had people telling me and commenting as if they knew me for years, all the while getting it wrong. I can’t just let is slide and I won’t.

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  211. on May 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm pointed

    What is the point anouk?

    Jorge and you are still friends. Roosh’s supposed attempt at whatever failed. Apparently he made an ass of himself in public. Apparently you never cared for him, and were simply using him. Apparently you were the bigger person. Since you don’t care about your hook ups with him, or that the internet thinks you’re a slut – didn’t you win?

    You said know you’re not going to get the apology. What are you fighting for again?

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  212. on May 4, 2010 at 9:58 pm namae nanka

    “But don’t be mistaken to think that the enormous pressure women put on us to stay faithful isn’t some big OverParent SuperEgo Moral ethic we take on and assume it comes from inside us. ”

    Monogamy doesn’t imply faithfulness per se, nor was I implying the presence of a morality,(though I believe that there is one). I was just thinking of it as a bill passed by the congress or a simple trade rule by men, for the following reasons:

    1)if feminism is correct and women had no power
    2)if women had indirect power
    3)women had power,yet they were still following men’s diktats
    4)women had power and followed their own impulses.

    As I see it, we are between 3 and 4 while history has been majorly 2.

    Marriage as civilizing force on men, ignores the presence of other institutions of civilization as well.Marriage present in many tribes resemble in many ways that of the civilized world’s, while marriage is absent among monks.

    It’s kinda like a correlation vs causation scenario.I can agree with the productive part, but “civilize” is a big stretch.If men and women are not civilized before marriage, they won’t magically become so after it.
    Outliers prove the rule, not because of them but in spite of them.

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  213. on May 4, 2010 at 10:09 pm anoukange

    pointed-

    You are unaware of the flack I was getting. Comments have been popping up over various blogs and so I came to the most public platform there is to set the record straight. No one, NO ONE will tell me or tell others what is in my heart. I am very possessive of my Id. I have taken deliberate steps in my own development with regards to staying healthy and happy and I have a good take on love. If the comments had stopped I would have let it go publicly like I have done privately some time ago. I don’t use people. I thought he was a friend. I thought the whole game thing was an act to a degree so I was truly shocked when I began to see that many actually do live by a standard of treating other human beings as animals. No, less than even animals.

    To anyone still reading at this point–

    There are some here that break my heart. Roosh breaks my heart but not in the sense that some had thought.

    Can someone please tell me how? How do you let yourself get to the point that human life holds no value for you? How do you let life get you so far gone that you lose all sense of kindness? How do you lose your heart? What happened to some of you? I’m not judging, I’m asking here, for real. I want to know. I want to help break the cycle for the future. I want to hug you all. I want to make it right but I know any attempt would be in vain. So I come here to see how I can better help the children I nanny for, and the children I teach, to build themselves to prevent this. I am invested in the future through them so I look to the broken pasts of the blogs I read. The bitter, the spiteful, the jaded, the ruined, the angry, the heartless, the dirtied, the forgotten, the burned, and the walking dead are all sources that I try to understand and come to terms with.

    If I have done ok and I still love men and believe in their greatness, I ask myself how I did this. Even with the likes of Roosh in my past. I am trying to get to the foundation of what I had that others did not. Regardless of the definition of the involvement between two people, however casual, decency should be practiced. Or so I thought. One has failed at life if they have reached the point of de-valuing others on purpose and automatically. One did not protect themselves well enough, and I want to know the path that was taken by such individuals.

    Many actually enter any meeting of another with the mentality of having no value for the person in from of them simply to maintain the edge of power. This blows my mind.

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  214. on May 4, 2010 at 10:26 pm pointed

    Yeah, I’ve seen some of the comments on the blogs. They’re not that bad. People talk about you, because you talk about yourself. Always qualifying, and it just seems hollow and rings untrue. That you spin things that most would regard as failures as successes, that you hold up your obvious personality faults as strengths – of course people are going to comment on it.

    It’s great you like yourself – move on. Not everyone is going to think well of you and the decisions you’ve made – move on. You say you don’t care …and yet, so MUCH. QUALIFYING.

    Here’s a good example:

    How do you let yourself get to the point that human life holds no value for you? How do you let life get you so far gone that you lose all sense of kindness? How do you lose your heart? What happened to some of you? I’m not judging, I’m asking here, for real. I want to know. I want to help break the cycle for the future. I want to hug you all. I want to make it right but I know any attempt would be in vain. So I come here to see how I can better help the children I nanny for, and the children I teach, to build themselves to prevent this. I am invested in the future through them so I look to the broken pasts of the blogs I read. The bitter, the spiteful, the jaded, the ruined, the angry, the heartless, the dirtied, the forgotten, the burned, and the walking dead are all sources that I try to understand and come to terms with.

    What utter bull shit. People call you out on the stupid way you’re acting – and they’re wrong – all of them – and jaded, defected, hurt and don’t believe in love. How can you ask people not to lecture you and that write meaningless shit like that?

    Stop being such a condescending uppity bitch and get a clue.

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  215. on May 4, 2010 at 10:44 pm unlearning genius ...

    anoukange == slut .. end of story.

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  216. on May 4, 2010 at 10:47 pm anoukange

    pointed-

    I’m not sure what qualifying means. And I mean that. Can you explain? There are many (if not most) who talk about themselves. Many blogs only talk about themselves, I read them to learn about the person who owns the blog. I like when people share. I thank people all the time when they share. I don’t think badly of it so I guess I’m at a loss as to why you and others do? Everyone here has chatted about themselves to some degree or another. It helps to see where each is coming from.

    How is what I wrote in that paragraph bullshit? Again, I’m really asking here.

    To anyone “calling me out” I do not accuse of what I wrote above. That was a generalized description of what I have been reading and seeing in the whole male/female relations You took that the wrong way. It was not meant towards anyone who attacks me. Attack away, I address all the attackers as best as I can, I feel I’ve been pretty fair there.

    I’m not spinning anything regarding my own life. I have a different value system than those who think of my success as failure. If I led their life I would be miserable, as they would be if they led mine. Leaving a realtionship behind but in good standing rather than staying and becoming numb would do me more harm than good. There are many who stay in something and are unhappy and they get society’s praise which I find ridiculous. I have balls enough to pursue what makes me happy, even if it’s risky. It suits me. I just tried to get people to understand that there is more than one way to be happy and people need different things to be so. A married woman who has been for ten years may fair well here in this sphere, but secretly she may be miserable. How is that success? It would be her who has put a spin on her lie and relationship, no?

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  217. on May 4, 2010 at 10:50 pm anoukange

    I guess what I’m realizing here is that I give friendship and value to a person automatically until they give me reason to take it away. This is how I differ I see.

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  218. on May 4, 2010 at 10:53 pm anoukange

    The vocabulary of the game thing hinders those who don’t speak it. Sharing as internet commenters and bloggers is called qualifying? Are we all just not chatting? Sharing? Comparing? etc. Isn’t qualifying for the real world?

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  219. on May 4, 2010 at 10:59 pm anoukange

    unlearning-

    you must know that calling me a slut has no effect at this point, right?

    How about this:

    I am a slutty slut slut. Ok?

    Woot! all aboard! Don’t worry, I’ve been tested. My bed is still warm from the last guy but that’s just to better relax you my dears. Call me Picasso and lets add wine and cheese.

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  220. on May 4, 2010 at 11:07 pm sdaedalus

    @Jacko

    To watch you become a common strumpet, it’s enough to make a man give up.

    Whaaaaat? Even if my original comment could be construed as neutrality in respect of the morals of others, that would not necessarily mean that I did not have morals as regard my own behaviour. Saying re others, well as long as they do not do it in the street and frighten the horses, does not necessarily indicate one would join in.

    She has now passed the Rubicon and there is no going back; she has been played and gamed cruelly

    There is always a way back, to respect (even if not love) at any rate. We’ve all made mistakes. You guys are just encouraging this dialogue, you bear some responsibility.

    let’s dispatch with this melancholy homily and raise our glasses to William Butler Yeats, the greatest poet in the English Canon

    There’s quite a lot of Roissyian doctrine in the poetry of WB Yeats, who got badly burnt by Maud Gonne (and they say things were better for men in the past) Take for instance the following:-

    “Never give all the heart, for love
    Will hardly seem worth thinking of
    To passionate women if it seem
    Certain, and they never dream”

    If you know this poem and it’s meaning then I’ll know you’ve not a slattern

    The Hosts of the Air. Never dance or play cards with the faeries, or eat their food & drink (a reworking of the Proserpine myth, also Hawthorne’s Goodman Brown). Moral: be careful who you associate with (I do hope this does not apply to SDaedalus’s venture into the Roissysphere).

    There is a good analysis of the poem in social context here:-
    http://books.google.ie/books?id=NxCoAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=yeats+hosts+of+the+air&ei=K-DgS9SiNoruzQTvp-2jDA&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The lake in the poem is not far from where my people come from, back in the 17th century one of my own ancestors was apparently taken by the faeries, but she was so difficult, and asked so many questions, they eventually handed her back.

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  221. on May 4, 2010 at 11:21 pm Gordon FreeMan

    Roissy,

    Keep fighting the good fight.

    But I must ask, what is the point of Game and getting “unpaid” sex if we don’t plan on having kids?

    [editor: the pleasure is its own reward.]

    Given that women behave as hypergamous amoral herd animals , what is the point of having one around if you have to expend mental resources playing constant games to get something that could be easily purchased at a higher quality and at a lower cost?

    [making love to a woman who loves you is more pleasurable than wacking off inside a hole for rent.]

    What is the point of the constant state of alert and stress that running Game forces guys to be in simply to get a 6 or even an 8?

    [over time and with enough practice game becomes low-cost second nature.]

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  222. on May 4, 2010 at 11:22 pm namae nanka

    “How do you let yourself get to the point that human life holds no value for you?”

    Statistics and/or reasoning.

    “I have balls enough to pursue what makes me happy, even if it’s risky. ”

    Getting kicked in the balls is stupidity.

    “I just tried to get people to understand that there is more than one way to be happy and people need different things to be so. ”

    There is only one way to be happy,that is, be happy.Everything else is jetsam.

    Hot body you have, but it will disappear faster than your “delusions”.

    Gandhi was a pedophile by today’s standards, you’re a slut by yesterday’s standards.

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  223. on May 4, 2010 at 11:51 pm me me me

    Cannon’s Canon
    haha wow

    you passed, darling
    ——————————————————
    Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!!! I shall sleep with a big smile on my face and dream of dancing cannonballs and pretty hammers.

    Bye Roissyland!

    ~smilies~

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  224. on May 5, 2010 at 1:43 am Jacko

    Yes, the ‘strumpet/slattern’ remark was a little over the top, and you are undoubtedly neither of those. At least, that is what I gather from your ‘online persona’. Admittedly, I do hold Irish women in high esteem. I suppose I over-reacted.

    I did ask Anoukange to reconsider how she frames herself on her blog. She didn’t like that very much. There’s just something about a promiscuous woman that doesn’t go over well in our culture, especially if a man is trying to make a name for himself. I guess we haven’t evolved that much.

    Thanks for sharing your story of where your people come from. My Grandfather was told he was too young for the Garda and since there was no other employment, the next stop was Boston. The rest, as they say, is history. However, the house he was born in at Gortdromakerry still stands and houses my distant relatives. Some day I’ll go there but I doubt anyone can relay stories of the Flying Columns. They’re all dead by now.

    Since you were gracious enough to leave me with that thoughtful analysis of Yeat’s poem, I will return the favor by leaving you with a link to a song I hope you will enjoy:

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  225. on May 5, 2010 at 1:55 am Comment_Whatever

    I’m curious…. anoukange claims to not understand why roosh acts the way he does?

    I mean…. she DOES know his history, right? Cause she like cared for him and everything.

    Oh wait…. she never cared at all. Okay, got it.

    http://www.rooshv.com/re-youre-not-a-people-person

    (I am aware that the RooshV is more complicated than one or two events in his life…. but the point is that those events do provide an explanation… if one actually looked.

    Cause you know… you claimed to care about him.)

    skadi:

    Unfortunately, many young men get away with a lot of irresponsibility. The men are simply not held to the highest standards of masculinity as they used to be. Men today have much more freedom than in the older times (which is great, but also detrimental to their discipline and overall quality). They have much fewer obligations and more spoils these days.

    That is to behave in a certain way, and perform as expected. A life-accessory… like a favorite purse.

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  226. on May 5, 2010 at 4:56 am Skadi

    dragnet, I understand your point very well. The problem is that today the family life has changed immensely since the times of your grandmother. There are simply not that many good men that are worth investing in. Not that many men are marriage/boyfriend prospects. Too many men avoid commitment, marriage, having children. Many men postpone these duties for as long as they can. Too many men use the benefits of co-habitation, but do not provide security or do not take up the responsibility of creating a family. They expect casual sex, but they do not invest, do not share. Too many men are not fit to be husbands and fathers. The real masculinity is almost gone. There are still a few good men but they are not the majority. I didn’t choose to be at work, I simply had no other choice (unlike your grandmother who had a provider). Nobody has ever paid my bills and nobody ever will.

    [editor: it takes two to tango.]

    I cannot even learn anything from “my sojourn” here as people here are too hostile and hateful (which brings out skepticism in me).

    [be less cunty and you might get better treatment.]

    I wanna learn from the men who I respect and admire, it is only them who’s opinions and preferences I care about.

    [and yet you’re still here. waz up wit dat, s?]

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  227. on May 5, 2010 at 7:25 am Nicole

    Anoukange, you’re railing against reality.

    Some people are broken and can’t be fixed. The best you can do is work around them and keep your dignity.

    Nothing is really lost from letting someone from your past believe that you cared more than you did. That is actually better for them than knowing that you didn’t.

    You might not see why, but it’s true. My favorite saying on the subject is, “I love all my bitches.” It is the truth. They don’t need to know that I love my outdoor cats the same way.

    If you really want to fix some of the broken-ness of the world, and save the ones who can be saved, you have to learn to be okay with losing face to keep your dignity. You’re expending way too much energy on something that doesn’t matter and that making it matter may actually be quite darkside.

    Maybe Roosh needs to believe that you cared for him in a way that you didn’t. Did you ever stop to think about why that may be?

    Anoukange, save yourself first. Step back and look at the big picture and your part in it.

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  228. on May 5, 2010 at 7:45 am GdI

    I suppose some modest gratitude is in order to all the fembots, especially anouk, who have posted so unintentionally hilariously on this thread; it is good for men to be reminded what shallow, venal, honorless, selective-memorizing, pump-and-dump-craving, intermittently vicious creatures most women are. Especially in America. Anouk’s continuing appearance here, after receiving one of the most comprehensive eviscerations I’ve seen, indicates she has no consciousness or soul, or both.

    Note to the vag-bearers: You do NOT get a one-time pass for barebacking on a bus. Recommend you NEVER tell that one to a man you care about. Real men understand that the virgin bride thing is rare today and probably overrated (though I have friends who have gone there: they are happy). That said, any woman who needs more than a hand (or two if she is 30+ … but why would you do aged vag anyway?) to count the cocks she’s taken in her holy-of-holies is a slut. Period. Bragging about it is guaranteed to push away any guy who isn’t a weirdo fetishist. I once dumped a gal – she of course thought she was “nice”; they all do – after she revealed, for no reason, that she not long before had been PnD’d in public by a one-time cock. Good-bye! So don’t flaunt your “openness” and definitely don’t blog about it.

    As I have said before, the harpies have their own blogs and sites: use them.

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  229. on May 5, 2010 at 8:05 am Aires

    Nicole speaks the truth.

    Except, I don’t think Roosh gives a fuck, and anouk is just flattering herself…again.

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  230. on May 5, 2010 at 8:09 am dragnet

    “If you really want to fix some of the broken-ness of the world, and save the ones who can be saved, you have to learn to be okay with losing face to keep your dignity.”

    If there is one thing we’ve learned here over the past 48 hours, it’s that this woman clearly has no concept of, or use for, dignity. She is truly a woman of her time.

    ‘“I love all my bitches.” It is the truth. They don’t need to know that I love my outdoor cats the same way.’

    I almost spit coffee onto my computer screen here.

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  231. on May 5, 2010 at 8:14 am Reality Check

    It is much easier to make good men wise than to make bad men good.

    ~Henry Fielding, 1749

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  232. on May 5, 2010 at 8:21 am Dilbert Hole

    xsplat, I posit that anyone with the imagination of a rock or better will not find the gory-detail-filled prose to be much less vivid than the video. Don’t be so literal, you nuanced thinker, you.

    It may be I who’s wrong here. It doesn’t matter – I’m not trying to be precise. Discretion is an underappreciated and underexercised quality in today’s society. As for invective… if you don’t like ad hominem, don’t start it.

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  233. on May 5, 2010 at 8:38 am TheDarkLord

    @GDI:”I suppose some modest gratitude is in order to all the fembots, especially anouk, who have posted so unintentionally hilariously on this thread”

    Indeed. Also, it’s worth noting that roosh hasn’t risen to the bait and has maintained a stoic silence. Assuming he maintains this, his Alpha cred will increase. He will have shown us how it is done.

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  234. on May 5, 2010 at 8:41 am sdaedalus

    Some day I’ll go there but I doubt anyone can relay stories of the Flying Columns. They’re all dead by now

    You never know. There might be some kid who carried messages for them still around at 90 odd. Kerry people are very long-lived. Also, stories tend to be passed down from generation to generation in that neck of the woods. My own grandfather was one of the message-carrying kids. This got my grandmother a card giving her free transport on Irish buses and rail for many years, as kids we used to call it “her IRA card”, we used to particularly enjoy pointing this out loudly when there were English tourists about.

    Since you were gracious enough to leave me with that thoughtful analysis of Yeat’s poem, I will return the favor by leaving you with a link to a song I hope you will enjoy

    Thank you, that was very kind of you. I can see you are an admirer of Pearse, if you do ever get to Ireland be sure and visit the Pearse museum at St Enda’s, Rathfarnham, Dublin. It is situate in the school he used to run (a very lovely building, with a beautiful walled garden) and has a lot of interesting material. As we had 1916 continually forced down our throats at school, along with compulsory Irish, I did not contemplate a visit there with much enthusiasm, but I ended up really enjoying myself.

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  235. on May 5, 2010 at 8:51 am GdI

    OMFG, what is this, the “Sinn Fein iz Kool” blog now?

    Maybe there IS something more tedious than fembots pontificating on themselves endlessly … maybe.

    The Paddies are just like girls — interested solely in their own self-reverential wonderfulness and alleged mystery. When, actually, they bore the shit out of everyone else on earth.

    I’m not English, hate them too — don’t start.

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  236. on May 5, 2010 at 9:02 am sdaedalus

    GdI

    For the record, I’m not a Sinn Feiner lol. Sorry about the Irishness, we do tend to talk about ourselves ad nauseam, I do sympathise, honestly. Au revoir.

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  237. on May 5, 2010 at 9:07 am Dilbert Hole

    anoukange

    I guess what I’m realizing here is that I give friendship and value to a person automatically until they give me reason to take it away. This is how I differ I see.

    Not to quibble here, but do you truly mean friendship? How many friends do you have?

    Do you give the maximal level of devotion up front, and then only take it away in proportion to the severity of a person’s transgression against you? (That would be… different.)

    Or do you offer a base level of civility and pleasantness up front, and then increase your devotion in proportion to the other person’s demonstrated worth, in your eyes? (That would be… not so different.)

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  238. on May 5, 2010 at 10:08 am Skadi

    I’d be less cunty, if you were less of a dick. And I don’t need any “better treatment” from you as you are a total zero in my book (I only care about those men’s opinion and wishes who I like). You’re doing damage to the white European culture, that’s the problem. Bye.

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  239. on May 5, 2010 at 10:21 am anoukange

    Dignity is for real life. How I respond/act/post in the internet world has nothing to do with how I behave in the the real world. Dignity is something to maintain for those in which I hold in high esteem. That’s not to imply that there are not amazing people posting here, not at all. But come now, it’s not real. I can be fully honest and it does not matter for my own personal life. In real life I keep quiet much more. It’s just how it works for me. I have a healthy separation of the internet world and real life and I can see now that others don’t. In the end, it’s what has made one happy and feeling fulfilled, no?

    Nicole,
    I agree with much of what you have said after reading it again, but I still separate the internet world and the real world. If this were over a guy that I admired and respected I would be behaving in a much different way. It doesn’t matter here and now, for me at least. I can’t live in the world you describe very comfortably anyhow. I purposely choose to hover in an “in between” so that I may continue to be creative and produce. Harsh realities, even if they have their place, are not what I hang around in. I check in, take note and then pull back into what has what has proven to work for me, which is a softer version of what you describe. I am not masculine enough to handle that view.

    GdI-

    You seem to be more affected by my “beating” than me. I keep finding this here. You all are more affected by it. If I cared I would have remained silent. Because I don’t, or at least not in the way that you all seem to… I can take the heat. I have been reading blogs for some time now and I knew what I was entering into. I made a conscious choice and was well aware of the possible outcome. It didn’t matter. I just wanted in print my own true feelings because as I’ve stated before, I despise being told what I’m feeling. I’m not controlling about much, but my on motives are my own motives and they are not to be told to me by some strangers on the internet.

    In general–

    I do not believe in a God but I am spiritual. Because I believe we rot in the ground and this trip could be potentially pointless, I plan to have as many rich life experiences as I can. I have much love in my heart and that doesn’t necessarily have to go to one person or partner. When I am in love, I am fully, and I remain faithful and committed. Six partners is not a lot for someone of my belief system. It is 2010. I talk with women all the time, many of them younger than me, and my number is low in comparison. What we have here in many ways is what happens in real life too, a difference in operational belief systems. I do not project my own needs or standards onto others as far as their own pursuit of happiness, so I am always a bit taken back when others do it to me. If some view me as promiscuous, then so be it. My life has never been boring, I will say that. I put a higher price on just going for it. It is my spirit to do so. Why are you all so closed off from accepting different ways? Why would anyone here care about my past and continue to challenge me on it? We will never date. I just don’t get the motive behind judgment.

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  240. on May 5, 2010 at 10:25 am GdI

    Anouk,

    Blah-blah-blah … get a shrink, stat! You are obviously totally fucked up by it all, hence the constant, obsessive venting and acting-out here.

    Don’t care if you get better – I’m a doctor, but you’re not my patient – but I, like many others here, would appreciate it if you went away and e-freaked out elsewhere. You’ve got your own damn blog, use it. You’re mucking up a perfectly good blog FOR MEN.

    Above all, you are BORING … the only truly unforgiveable sin, IMHO.

    Got that, girls?

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  241. on May 5, 2010 at 10:29 am anoukange

    Dilbert–

    It’s more like the first for me. I can’t help but feel compassion and empathy. I just give out because I have a lot to give. I identify with human emotions greatly. I am an ISFP as I’ve stated here before. It’s just my nature. If I get taken to the cleaners for it, then that’s ok too. I can be this way until I have nothing left to give. When I was much younger I had something driving me to participate in certain things in school and was rewarded for being a humanitarian. I was one long before I understood what it was to be so. I care for people, I feel them. I will always soften when I see pain and I will always be hard when I feel there has been an injustice. It becomes a matter of sorting through the bullshit at this point so I may help those who are more genuinely in need. I grew up quite poor on an Indian reservation. I watched an entire race of people dwindle into nothingness. When one has seen much real life pain, they can go one of two directions…to the right and stop caring, or to the left and care more. I choose to care more, it is my design.

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  242. on May 5, 2010 at 10:31 am anoukange

    GdI-

    It was exchange, lighten up. Go get laid already.

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  243. on May 5, 2010 at 10:37 am Jeff

    I’m having a hard time understanding the level of the anger directed at anokange. She isn’t a radical feminist–it sounds like she’s not a feminist at all. She doesn’t hate men. Given her profession she probably doesn’t use “diversity” policies as a way to get unfair advantage over others. She’s not a lawyer-type chick of the sort often denounced here. From what she says, she doesn’t bang different guys every week sex & the city style. She obviously does have a strong sex and emotional connection drive–aren’t those GOOD things?

    She’s hurting herself, IMO, by putting her heart & soul so totally out in the open in front of a large largely anonymous forum–no matter how much she says she can separate internet life & real life it HAS to have some emotional effect to be the target of so much criticism and anger. But this doesn’t make her a bad person and it does show a kind of courage.

    Some are probably projecting issues with other & very different women onto her. Some may see her story as verification of the “jerk gets the girl” rule. But haven’t all of US fallen for a jerkette at some point in our lives?

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  244. on May 5, 2010 at 10:38 am anoukange

    “indeed. Also, it’s worth noting that roosh hasn’t risen to the bait and has maintained a stoic silence. Assuming he maintains this, his Alpha cred will increase. He will have shown us how it is done.”

    I very much assumed that he would never respond. But what he does have to do is come back to the area eventually and then he has to deal. I cannot promise that my friends in this town won’t be after getting him in some form or another. That’s just the way it goes. He can maintain a persona here for you all to eat up, but real life is different. I knew him in real life and he was whinny and weak. He was the opposite of alpha. You all just keep buying into a fantasy because of your own needs to believe in something. It’s no different than religion for folks. It’s your religion. None of you will be around for the real life pay out of this…..too bad, because it should be a good show. I myself have stepped out of it but he has pissed off some others who hold some pretty heft power here, so it will be interesting to see if they also chose to step aside and let it go, or if they decide to make an example out of him.

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  245. on May 5, 2010 at 10:39 am Nicole

    Aires, I don’t know what he thinks, just what he says when he chooses to say something. If he said that she cared for him then there’s a reason he wanted to believe that. I don’t know why that is, but I’d take care about hurting someone unnecessarily even if they hurt me.

    I understand that in this age of cynicism, folks are quick to try to gain what they believe is the upper hand, but I don’t think the upper hand for a woman is gained by attempting to prove that she cared the *least*.

    At the point in a player’s life when they realize that they don’t have the same options they did when they were younger, or grow tired of them, their mind doesn’t go back to the women who cared for them the least.

    Dragnet, it’s not as bad as it sounds. I’m not a hoarder of cats, but I like them very much, so I have a “free cats” policy. I have a species appropriate but similar view of humans.

    Someone who doesn’t reciprocate just isn’t going to get the same kind of passion out of me as someone who does, mainly because they don’t let me. I love them, but I’m not going to smother them against their will.

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  246. on May 5, 2010 at 10:41 am anoukange

    Thanks Jeff. The reason I can remain here is BECAUSE I know the ones that throw hate are projecting. And also…the good guy got the girl, not the jerk. That was the whole point of the story.

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  247. on May 5, 2010 at 10:49 am anoukange

    Nicole–

    I care for almost everyone I know as a friend. I was not trying to prove that I didn’t care. I am full of care. I just didn’t care in the way he portrayed and others thought. I don’t hide behind a fake persona of apathy. When one learns of the past of such a man, then it is easy to see he cares greatly of what others think of him. He has invested a lot in appearing a certain way. Stories like mine challenge that. From what I knew of roosh v, he is not an alpha. He muddles the details in his favor to keep protecting his image. He cares little for people but greatly for what they think. I care little for what people think of me and greatly for them as people. People here in DC do not have good things to say about him. He is laughed at by many of the bar owners. That is REAL life people. I am here in the city and people here have told me stories of his past. Research him folks. you’ll see. In a city of extremely competitive and successful people, he is a loser, he can’t hang. He’s not good enough, and he knows it.

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  248. on May 5, 2010 at 10:52 am G

    Why are Players here surprised of anoukange behavior?

    It is typically feminine, and I do not say this in a condescending tone at all.
    Hyper sensibility, self-delusion, lack of rationality, cannot see the bigger picture. Thats called being a woman, not a dyke (or lawyer chick).
    And I embrace it, since this make them crave masculinity wich I gladly provide through my Game and one of my body’s extremity.

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  249. on May 5, 2010 at 11:10 am anoukange

    G-

    Even though you’re insulting me, I must say…it was funny. I do see a bigger picture, just not the same one as some here I guess. It is true…I’ve reacted like a girl because I’m wired like a girl. duh. I’ll be sure to get a female lawyer chick with a dick to handle any future hate rants on the internet.

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  250. on May 5, 2010 at 11:46 am Nicole

    Ye gods…

    I don’t even know what to say anymore. So I’m just going to shut up now because I think I’m interrupting the comedy.

    Sorry guys. My female brain wanted to help.

    I am so, so sorry.

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  251. on May 5, 2010 at 11:58 am Doug1

    anoukange

    pointed- I’m not sure what qualifying means. And I mean that. Can you explain?

    Justifying yourself. Explaining yourself or your views etc. in a way calculated to induce the guy to think more highly of you. At it’s further stages it’s conforming your beliefs or story about yourself to his or his wishes. It’s a form of emotional chasing.

    btw, the guys who are calling you a slut know you aren’t by any but the most restrictive, near virginal criteria, at least if they think you’re telling the truth. What they’re doing is trying to bait you into further qualifying yourself. (And yes I think that’s nasty in this context.) they’re doing this even if they themselves don’t know what the game definition of qualifying is.

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  252. on May 5, 2010 at 12:14 pm anoukange

    Nicole-

    Thanks, just so it’s said. I appreciate your efforts but I’m coming from a different place then the one you illustrate. I get that you were representing where some guys are coming from. I’m saying I don’t value it, so what does it matter? This is about something real that all of you had no part of in real life, so I find it more than a little strange that so many are so involved when they know neither party involved.

    Doug-

    Thanks mate. I look at it as just exchange. If the game definition of exchange and back and forth conversation is qualifying, then so be it. I don’t need to qualify myself in that sense, I am telling where I’m coming form, I don’t read into it like that. I have no problem with someone challenging me, I just wish it was less of a projection of their own past and more of the moment relevance is all.

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  253. on May 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm anoukange

    also, Nicole…..
    I didn’t mean to be harsh towards you earlier, I just can’t think like that or I will lose the ability to love and be soft. I can’t take the pill because I live for love, if I lose the ability to do so, naturally, then it wouldn’t be worth it for me.

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  254. on May 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm anoukange

    To those that have taken the pill–I hope it was worth it.

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  255. on May 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm anoukange

    Doug-

    Your patience and kindness are sexy. You set an amazing example that I wish more would follow. Men like you inspire women, just so you know. You are at the tippy top. You use softness when needed and intelligence with hardness when needed. You are black belt in your style application. Merci.

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  256. on May 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm the realist

    “From what I knew of roosh v, he is not an alpha. He muddles the details in his favor to keep protecting his image. He cares little for people but greatly for what they think. I care little for what people think of me and greatly for them as people. People here in DC do not have good things to say about him. He is laughed at by many of the bar owners. That is REAL life people. I am here in the city and people here have told me stories of his past. Research him folks. you’ll see. In a city of extremely competitive and successful people, he is a loser, he can’t hang. He’s not good enough, and he knows it.”

    This is getting worse and worse. So wait this dude “Roosh” who got the 1 drop pump and dump is not an alpha, but the schmucks who wasted multiple years dating your sorry ass supposedly are? does not compute. One minute you’re boasting about getting fucked by alpha’s next your boasting about getting fucked by a beta whats the deal??!! Are you one of those really easy girls who gets banged by everyone??!!

    Club owners? only a nobody needs to know club owners to be somebody, sounds like youv’e been talking too much about this Roosh dude period, only alphas get talked about that much. knowing everyone in town might make a man seem more alpha but it just makes you more of a desperate little slut, stop sucking off club ownsers for info.

    Anoukange: I need the dirt on this Roosh guy who banged me on a bus, is he an alpha or what?!

    Club owner: *Points to crotch*

    Anoukange: *slurp*slurp*….. now seriously i need to know about Roosh what can you tell me??

    Club owner: *points to anus*

    Anoukange:*slurp*slurp…. oh yeh by the way my ass is tight, my body is like woahh tight….

    Club owner: lozlzolzozlzolzoz Roosh lzolzozlozloz

    So being the ignorant, british and relatively new guy around here that i am i didn’t realise what the fuck was going on here, so i ended up researching this roosh dude. Dudes a fucking “PUA” who looks like south park’s take on jesus christ, and he’s banged you!!?? and hes got a book called bang??!! literally can’t stop the laughter

    Alpha or nay only one thing matters here, and thats his peepee in ur vajayjay.

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  257. on May 5, 2010 at 12:24 pm anoukange

    not quite dude…they tell me, I do not ask. They laugh at him.

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  258. on May 5, 2010 at 12:40 pm the realist

    So a club owner who sees thousands of people in his club week in week out comes over to you and points out Roosh and starts a conversation about him? sounds alpha enough to me, i couldn’t hope for better advertising. So they just think to mention him to you coz they know he banged you on a bus? or is that a coincidence, seriously i want to know how these conversations went down.

    Club owner 1: is that roosh over there, you know that guy who banged you on the bus?!?!….lozlzolzozlzolz

    Club owner 2: yeh thats him isn’t it anoukange? lozlozlzoz

    Anoukange: yeah thats him he banged my still tight body on a bus the other day lolzolzozloz

    Club owner 3: what a loser lololzozlolzozl roosh lolzozlozlz

    club owner 4: lozlozlzolzoz….well it’s been great guys, got to go, same time tomorrow?

    Club owner 1: yeah but lets go to your club tomorrow to dicuss roosh, he’ll most likely be there on a wednesday lozlzolzozlzolz

    club owner 4: Sure my place it is cant wait lolzozl

    wait how many club owners are we talking here? and how many of them have you sucked off?

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  259. on May 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm PA

    anoukange: is that a composite of your real name? If so, you are not separating your real life from the internet and you should discontinue posting personal stuff under that name. You might even ask Roissy to de1ete all your comments in this thread, as future liability.

    If that’s your alias, then it’s not so bad. David Alexander posted all kinds of embarassing things about him, but DA is his pseudonym.

    That said, I agree with some of your harsher critics: it’s best to drop this subject and move on. There is the kind of exhibitionism — if thet’s your thing — that makes you look hot, and th ekind that makes peopel pity you. And whether you fancy yourself as an artist or a philistine, Nicole is well worth listening to.

    But I also agree with those who point to the more generous and positive sides of your personality. I like the posts and photos on yor blog and you seem like a really nice and talented girl.

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  260. on May 5, 2010 at 1:15 pm Dalrock

    @Skadi

    Just a few months ago your advice to a
    girl looking to get married
    was:

    Play hard to get. Don’t give them pussy or blow jobs for as long as you can hold out. Stay away from alphas but opt for greater / relatively good looking betas. Only have casual sex with a very hot guy (9-10) who you know you won’t be able to pull for long term anyway. Or a guy who can take you on a fantastic all expenses paid trip. 🙂

    Love yourself, dance, get a cool job, travel 🙂 Get your education and financial security,

    But, now you want to bring back those old time values. What gives?

    dragnet, I understand your point very well. The problem is that today the family life has changed immensely since the times of your grandmother. There are simply not that many good men that are worth investing in. Not that many men are marriage/boyfriend prospects. Too many men avoid commitment, marriage, having children. Many men postpone these duties for as long as they can. Too many men use the benefits of co-habitation, but do not provide security or do not take up the responsibility of creating a family. They expect casual sex, but they do not invest, do not share. Too many men are not fit to be husbands and fathers. The real masculinity is almost gone. There are still a few good men but they are not the majority. I didn’t choose to be at work, I simply had no other choice (unlike your grandmother who had a provider). Nobody has ever paid my bills and nobody ever will.

    You happily embraced the new social order when it gave you sexual power, independence, etc (as is your right). But now you whine that no guy wants to pretend the old rules are still in place.

    In case you missed it, dragnet’s grandmother didn’t focus on gold digging flings, sex with strangers she found more attractive than the man she intended to marry, etc.

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  261. on May 5, 2010 at 1:55 pm xsplat

    Doug

    btw, the guys who are calling you a slut know you aren’t by any but the most restrictive, near virginal criteria, at least if they think you’re telling the truth. What they’re doing is trying to bait you into further qualifying yourself. (And yes I think that’s nasty in this context.) they’re doing this even if they themselves don’t know what the game definition of qualifying is.

    This is what women who accuse men who go for foreign brides do when they accuse the man of wanting a submissive wife.

    Ever notice how no man ever says “hell ya, I want a submissive wife!”

    They lost the game by letting the girls frame.

    Me, damn straight I want a submissive girlfriend. If she’s not submissive, she’s a fuck buddy, or a fling.

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  262. on May 5, 2010 at 2:00 pm Nicole

    LOL!

    I’m going to lose a kidney from this.

    It’s like watching Dr. Jekyll trying to explain how the severed hands got into his underwear drawer.

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  263. on May 5, 2010 at 2:03 pm Cannon's Canon

    first anoukange declares:

    “I’ll be sure to get a female lawyer chick with a dick to handle any future hate rants on the internet.”

    and then doug1 plants this flag:

    “btw, the guys who are calling you a slut know you aren’t by any but the most restrictive, near virginal criteria, at least if they think you’re telling the truth. What they’re doing is trying to bait you into further qualifying yourself. (And yes I think that’s nasty in this context.) they’re doing this even if they themselves don’t know what the game definition of qualifying is.”

    not to go all ‘Fallacy of Accident’ here… but the timeline supports a real doozy of a theory!!

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  264. on May 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm xsplat

    @Dilbert. I never read Anouk’s graphic depicitions of her sexual narratives, and have no plan to. Celebrity gossip doesn’t do it for me either. I just can’t find the willpower to get aroused enough to care.

    But I agree with and also prefer when my girlfriends are discreet about their past histories. They all are. I thought that was women nature.

    I think there must be some sort of bell curve where on one end people prefer the chaste virgin, and on the other the guy has little to no interest in the woman’s past, so long as the present is working to his liking.

    It seems our presumption about what is in the center bulk of that bell curve must be inclined towards where we each personally stand.

    So we agree that discretion is valued by most men. We disagree on what most men consider a number of past partners that would make him insecure about his ability to hold the woman in faithful lustful romance.

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  265. on May 5, 2010 at 3:19 pm dragnet

    @ Skadi

    “dragnet, I understand your point very well. The problem is that today the family life has changed immensely since the times of your grandmother.”

    Let’s stop right here for a second because this is really where the shit starts. You write that family life “has changed”—as if we all just woke up one morning and the shit was totally different. That’s not what happened and you fucking know it. What happened was that a minority of discontented women were no longer content to exercise traditional female power (their sexual power, and then their power as wives and mothers)and instead wanted to be able to wield traditionally male power in addition to that which they already had. The idea that a woman had no power before feminism was always bullshit—women had tremendous power. But they wanted more than power—they wanted authority which is the masculine form of power. And to get it, they made their personal grievances into a sociopolitical movement which the majority of women either tacitly supported or at the very least did nothing to hinder it.

    In doing so, they necessarily emasculated and marginalized men & boys. The acquisition of power is a zero-sum game—it can only be obtained at the expense of someone else. The more traditional male power women obtained, the less men would be able to wield it. Not that many men are “marriage/boyfriend prospects” because our society has rendered the vast majority of them undesirable partners by making them unable to satisfy the demands of hypergamy. Women can now wield traditional masculine (authority) and feminine (sexual) power while men most men are left with diminshed masculine power. Men with diminished power are never attractive to women—but that’s what our society signed up for when let women wield traditional masculine power in addition to what they had before.

    “Too many men avoid commitment, marriage, having children. Many men postpone these duties for as long as they can… Too many men are not fit to be husbands and fathers. The real masculinity is almost gone.”

    The real masculinity is gone because it’s become so heavily stigmatized and surpressed. Real masculinity—the determination by men to wield traditional male power—is persecuted by women as being oppresive and misogynistic. We aren’t raising our boys to be confident and masculine because doing that is perceived as a threat to women being able to wield traditional male power in addition to traditional female power. So many men are ill-equipped for comittment/marriage, because we’ve decided that to give them power that would make them fit for these institutions is to infringe upon the freedoms of women. Women and feminists have created a society of men bereft of the things women consider attractive—and are now complaining that the men are undesirable. Words fail.

    “Good men” aren’t born, Skadi. They are made—and women have a place in creating them. Cultures create good and responsible men by giving them wives, children, and families—by giving them a reproductive investment. My grandfather didn’t become a “good man” until he married my grandmother and attended to the responsibilites of his family. Before that, he was just a “guy”. But he didn’t learn the full meaning of self-sacrifice, unconditional love, reliability, and steadiness until after he had a family and was able to bring traditional male power to bear in the service of caring for his household. Men these days don’t have that option because they don’t have traditional male power, and because women aren’t interested until marrying until much later when they have less to offer men. You couple that with misandric divorce/family laws & VAWA and it’s really no wonder men aren’t marrying. Most men aren’t sitting it out waiting their turn on the casual sex carousel—because they know it’s not happening for 80 percent of the guys out there. They would have signed up for wives in their early 20s in a heartbeat if women were marrying that early…but they just aren’t because they’d rather pursue careers, graduate degrees, and alpha cock for 10-15 years first.

    Nothing I’ve said here is deep or original. Skadi, it’s simply not possible that you don’t know or understand this. You aren’t as stupid as you’re pretending to be. It’s my opinion that you are one of the most intellectually dishonest persons on this discussion board.

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  266. on May 5, 2010 at 5:01 pm Gordon FreeMan

    [editor: the pleasure is its own reward.][making love to a woman who loves you is more pleasurable than wacking off inside a hole for rent.][over time and with enough practice game becomes low-cost second nature.]

    I find it interesting that you use the term “love”.

    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that a woman only loves the way that you make her feel as opposed to you as a person?

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  267. on May 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Excellent diatribe, dragnet. That perfectly explains our modern state of gender — and societal — dysfunction.

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  268. on May 5, 2010 at 5:46 pm xsplat

    Dragnet – excellent post. One of the best comments on this site.

    Gordon,

    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that a woman only loves the way that you make her feel as opposed to you as a person?

    What’s the difference? You mean you want the woman to respect about you the same things you respect about yourself? Moral values, character qualities, and all that? Why not be satisfied with her loving how you make her feel? That’s still a unique situation, she’s still loving you.

    If you want admiration, you can get that from work peers, book clubs, and your dog. A woman who loves how you make her feel is the best womanly virtue she can offer.

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  269. on May 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm xsplat

    Hey, R, in the interest of social science, why not post a poll about the number of past partners that would make a man insecure about his ability to hold the woman in faithful lustful romance.

    Or rephrase the same idea a few ways and see how the numbers come out.

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  270. on May 5, 2010 at 5:53 pm G Man

    “I find it interesting that you use the term “love”.

    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that a woman only loves the way that you make her feel as opposed to you as a person?”

    What else do you think women love, Mr. Freeman?

    Rise and shine, Mr. Freeman. Rise and shine.

    The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. Whilst you were crowbarring your way through the zombies Alyx was fucking Barney all along.

    So, wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes.

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  271. on May 5, 2010 at 5:57 pm Tinderbox

    Thanks dragnet.

    The rest of the thread displayed the most pathetic hijack I’ve ever seen. What does that chick’s personal drama have to do with this thread or this blog? What a self-centered dingbat. It’s also the best advertisement for Roosh’s “Bang” that I’ve ever seen. I’m going to order it right away!

    The only thing more pathetic than that female qualification vomit was the sight of numerous white knights rushing to her defense, addled by the sight of her blog’s cleavage, fantasizing about brownie points toward a pity screw next time they’re riding her DC bus route.

    Note to anoukange’s beta worshipers: she apparently only sluts it up with alpha PUAs while drunk on vacation in foreign lands. But I’m sure she’ll at least let you buy her a few drinks and get into bar fights on her behalf.

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  272. on May 5, 2010 at 6:17 pm Dilbert Hole

    xsplat,

    So we agree that discretion is valued by most men. We disagree on what most men consider a number of past partners that would make him insecure about his ability to hold the woman in faithful lustful romance.

    I don’t think that I delved into the issue of the notch count with you, or at all here. I’m not sure that I have a particularly strong notion of how many is too many for my own comfort level – I guess that you may be lumping me in with traditional moralists who abound in these parts. The discretion issue is the one that I do care about. If the past doesn’t matter, there’s no reason for either party to drag it up.

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  273. on May 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm Doug1

    Skadi –

    I’ll add this to the excellent things Dragnet had to say mostly about the feminist cultural emasculation of men and masculinization of women, esp. in school and work.

    The far greater prevalence of sluts and semi sluts today compared to a couple of generations ago, due primary to birth control and feminism in a host of ways (from attacking slut shaming to making it ok and the man’s fault mostly anyway for a girl to become an unwed mother has had a number of effects. That’s really what’s behind 80% of guys not getting laid much or many of them at all in their 20s. It’s also what’s really most behind girls waiting until the thirties in many urban areas to get married.

    What that does is yes give the top 15% of guys who are alphas a lot of casual sex these days if they want it, and many do. What happened before is that because the great majority of girls only had 1 or 3 lifetime sex partners and those only with long term boyfriends, pretty 7 girls paired up with 7 guys who did get sex in their 20s with girlfriends who hoped they’d marry her, and cute 6’s pared with solid beta male 6’s similarly. That’s because since girls weren’t giving casual sex then except in tiny numbers, alphas didn’t hog the 6’s and 7’s, as well as the 8’s and 9’s. If they had to be in a long committed relationship to get any sex but with the rare slut, they were gonna pair up with same ranked 8’s and 9’s and did.

    Now days, since 6’s and 7’s are getting alpha sex and hope to turn one of those into a real long term commitment and marriage, but failing at that, they’re putting off settling for a 6 or 7 beta guy until they think they absolutely have to ever get married. This often after they’re 30 and often not til they’re in their mid thirties, when they’re a lot less attractive to the betas who finally can get them, than they were in their early and mid 20s. Further the alpha males aren’t eager to get married to 8’s and 9’s when they’re young either, cause there’s a lot of slut sex around, the 8’s and 9’s have to somewhat compete at least by putting out early in a relationship that then only lasts as a fling, and so on. Ok when the alpha male gets past his mid thirties he might consider marrying a mid 20s 8 or 9, but there’s still the huge problem for men of divorce theft to worry about.

    The beta guys those 6 and 7 (beta) girls can get to marry them have a wife who’s aging past her fertility in many cases, at least for more than one child. Further they have a wife that’s way more likely to divorce him a number of years down the road awhile after she get’s her kid(s), given all the cocks and alpha ones at that that she’s been slutting around with all though her high school, college years and 20s. American divorce theft city, initiated 2.5x more than men and occurring in half of all first time marriages. Indentured servitude after she’s the one that cheated or left the marriage to pursue her next serial monogamy, which she tells herself will be some kind of alpha this time.

    Alphas face divorce theft as well (if maybe somewhat less) since female serial monogamy is a reality, when it’s unconstrained by culture or economics, as it largely is in America and Britain today. Though alphas are more likely to cheat, and feminist American girls are unlikely to tolerate that or turn a blind eye, even if he doesn’t neglect his wife.

    It’s feminism and women that have driven these things Skadi, not men. Men were just as ready for casual or fling sex when they could get it in generations past.

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  274. on May 5, 2010 at 10:09 pm Aires

    I’m not sure of the redeeming features that this girl has that the more generous posters are pointing to? Yes, I took the bait and went as far as to read her blog. Painful.

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  275. on May 6, 2010 at 12:22 am Why Me?

    It sounds like Skadi would like a nice White Knight to come along and put her on a pedestal. But if that happened, she would soon grow bored with him and dump him, and then she would be receptive to a Dark Knight who would give her gina tingles.

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  276. on May 6, 2010 at 12:52 am TJ

    Whats bothering Skadi is that she can’t get an alpha to commit to her. She could always get a beta, of course, but she doesn’t want one. She wants an alpha, but she’s not hot enough to get one. So she rages at the cruel universe that won’t give her what she wants.

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  277. on May 6, 2010 at 12:55 am Good Ol Boy

    Great post, Dragnet. One of the best ever.

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  278. on May 6, 2010 at 2:12 am Nicole

    Hijacked as the thread may be, the issue is still somewhat related to the post.

    If western women are your taste, then it may help you to be that fun guy in a foreign country. Women on vacation do all sorts of things they wouldn’t normally do back home.

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  279. on May 6, 2010 at 2:32 am LBK

    Skadi is the most annoying whiny little girl on this site.

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  280. on May 6, 2010 at 2:34 am Stan

    Testing Komment Kontrol

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  281. on May 6, 2010 at 2:36 am LBK

    I prefer non-western women

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  282. on May 6, 2010 at 2:48 am Aires

    I’m not sure of the redeeming features that this girl has that the more generous posters are pointing to? Yes, I took the bait and went as far as to read her blog. Painful.

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  283. on May 6, 2010 at 1:14 pm dragnet

    @ Doug1, Skadi

    “This often after they’re 30 and often not til they’re in their mid thirties, when they’re a lot less attractive to the betas who finally can get them, than they were in their early and mid 20s.”

    Even more importantly, a woman is less valuable in her 30s because she is far less fertile then. If a guy wants kids he will go and try to find a younger woman, preferably early- to mid-20s rather than marry someone in her mid-30s and be forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments to sire a child with increased risk of birth defects and disorders because she only has 40 percent as many eggs as she did 10-15 years ago.

    For men, a woman’s age isn’t just about physical attractiveness—it’s also about fertility. Age is less of an issue for men because we’re fertile well into our 70s. It’s not a double standard or male oppression. It’s human biology.

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  284. on May 6, 2010 at 3:46 pm Wise Comment About How the Value a Woman Brings Absolutely Must Change Over Time (a.k.a. We Care For Warm Loving DIGNIFIED GMa’s, Wrinkly Smile and All) « LovelySexyBeauty: adventures in love, enchantment, & beauty

    […] A quote I think all girls should listen to and consider as they evolve throughout life, this one has gotten LOTS of kudos (emphasis in bold and underline mine): dragnet […]

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  285. on May 6, 2010 at 4:23 pm LBK

    Since this thread is already hijacked, I’m going to take a detour and make a quick comparison of the 3 females who have posted most prolifically on this thread.

    Anoukange: Boring, long winded, self obsessed drama queen.

    Skadi: Annoying, whiny wannabe princess.

    Nicole: Wise, insightful, reality-based, emotionally healthy.

    Granted, Nicole is definitely not the hottest of these 3 chix, but if I was inclined to have children I would rather have them raised by Nicole than by either of the other 2.

    Something to think about.

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  286. on May 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm Joel_NYC

    Hat’s off to Cannon’s Canon for his response to the Anoukange affair. I don’t want to quote the entire response, but he managed to speak on behalf of many guys who have opened their eyes to the matrix of pretty lies they were indoctrinated with.

    as insistent as you are to the contrary, you are a vivid anecdote that hedonistic vitalism trumps conservative temperance. i do not take pleasure in gloating about this. to the contrary, you inspire a nihilistic depression here.

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  287. on May 6, 2010 at 6:11 pm xsplat

    Dragnet
    Even more importantly, a woman is less valuable in her 30s because she is far less fertile then. If a guy wants kids he will go and try to find a younger woman, preferably early- to mid-20s rather than marry someone in her mid-30s and be forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments to sire a child with increased risk of birth defects and disorders because she only has 40 percent as many eggs as she did 10-15 years ago.

    This is no idle smear against older women as mothers. Don’t forget that an older women has increased likelihood of all sorts of very serious birth complications. A young placenta is less likely to give out and leave you holding a brain damaged baby than an older placenta is, for instance.

    For babies, it’s no accident that men want sex with YOUNG women.

    And I’ll tell you from experience, old ladies – older men suffer no loss of staying power, when they are with YOUNG women.

    When I was young, come was leaking out my eyeballs, and I’d thrill to fucking a woman in her forties. Loved any and all women. Now in my forties I won’t even consider dating the women I dated at a younger age. Don’t do a damn thing for me. But a young hottie? Can keep me hard all day.

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  288. on May 6, 2010 at 6:13 pm xsplat

    Granted, Nicole is definitely not the hottest of these 3 chix, but if I was inclined to have children I would rather have them raised by Nicole than by either of the other 2.

    Something to think about.

    Indeed. An au pair is a great idea.

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  289. on May 6, 2010 at 7:06 pm anoukange

    Cannon may have been right in his (quite elegant) words to describe the guy’s take on me, and I respect it. But he was wrong in my intent or motives.

    My responses had to be self absorbed by the nature and reason behind the hijacking.

    I find it incredibly ironic that a girl who thinks like a guy is the most fit to raise children, lacking in almost all things feminine would be the last thing I would want as a man. The beauty of the male-female dynamic is that we are different. Some have just lost the enjoyment of it. You all just love a good ego stroke anyhow, so you’re biased. Besides, if I didn’t have anything to learn, how would my naughty lover spank me when I needed correcting? Ha, ha.

    I am an artist my profession, I get paid money to be self-absorbed. I can also use it to draw attention to larger causes, this particular rant was about me. This was a matter of an independent person who’s well-being depends on not thinking like all of you, no offense. I stand by it. Considering I was posting of a personal sexual past on a conservative blog, I expected worse.

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  290. on May 6, 2010 at 7:17 pm anoukange

    also somewhat ironic, I have been employed for several years now as a nanny. Those parents must be retarded, eh?

    oops! more qualifying. sorry lads.

    strange, strange world you live in here. Reality is what is relative to you. For instance, Norway would shit their pants if it read this blog.

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  291. on May 7, 2010 at 4:36 am Layne

    I have been employed for several years now as a nanny. Those parents must be retarded, eh?

    Yes. They must be.

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  292. on May 7, 2010 at 9:08 am anoukange

    Layne–

    yeah….. because being soft, compassionate, enchanted with nature and life and maintaining a child-like wonder for the world is a HORRIBLE thing to be as one one who helps to raise children. By all means, let it be a woman who has an adam’s apple who will set the kiddos straight. Start them early into bitterness and detachment.

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  293. on May 7, 2010 at 9:54 am Dilbert Hole

    It is the very fact that good parents recognize, anticipate, and avert potential sources of horrible experiences for their children, that allows their children to maintain their childlike wonder. Good parents can’t themselves surrender to childlike wonder while guiding and caring for their children; they have to rise above childlike behavior on their own part. Of course, they shouldn’t be humorless, paranoid and neurotic, either. I would hope for the same in anyone who cared for my child.

    I will say that someone who is paid to be self-absorbed might not make the best caretaker and protector for children, *if* they can’t curb their self-absorption and temper their childlike wonder with wisdom and vigilance.

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  294. on May 7, 2010 at 9:57 am Dilbert Hole

    Come to think of it, the common practice of hiring teenagers as babysitters may be frightfully misguided.

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  295. on May 7, 2010 at 10:06 am Nicole

    LBK, thank you for the compliment. 50 years ago, that would have scored me a pretty decent husband.

    Actually it did in my lifetime, but one got bored and distracted and the other got the raw end of a biological deal.

    The market for hot is certainly bigger, but there are still a few guys left for the cool.

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  296. on May 7, 2010 at 10:28 am Layne

    Children have child-like wonder. Adults have foresight and take responsibility for their actions.

    You wouldn’t have children to a slut, why would you let one raise them? Talk about bad role models.

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  297. on May 7, 2010 at 10:36 am dana

    “The market for hot is certainly bigger, but there are still a few guys left for the cool.”

    amen

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  298. on May 7, 2010 at 11:12 am anoukange

    Layne and Dilbert-

    Days as a nanny are spent getting the kids up, washed, fed, ready for school, driving them to school, helping them with their studies, building forts, playing dress up, having art class, cleaning up their puke and spit up, kissing scrapes and answering tough questions because their minds can only grasp so much, cheering for them (off duty) at their sports, taking them to doctor’s appointments, driving like you have delicate crystal in your car, having them wrap themselves around your thigh in trust and in association of a source of nurture. Tears are wiped, things are explained slowly, patience is practiced, catches are made of their feelings until they can process them properly, attention is paid to child development and its natural course so you can anticipate the right choice. Teaching them skills. It is an art you guys because there can’t be an exact.

    Caring for children is done with both practicality and encouragement for imagination. It depends on the individual child’s spirit. Some require strict structure, some a more loose take. The three families that I work for all have their kids at Montessori, so I have adjusted accordingly. I am getting hands on training for child rearing. I never tread lightly into heavy investments, I train in that sense. As a nanny one has to be CPR certified and be prepared to handle any emergency.

    Children are had with sluts all the time by the way. Just as they are with betas, alphas, gammas, etc. Everyone is breeding.

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  299. on May 7, 2010 at 11:14 am anoukange

    You all had better have children for fucks sake….if I’m the only one out of this little conversation that is around them daily, you need to shut the fuck up.

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  300. on May 7, 2010 at 11:38 am Dilbert Hole

    Indeed, I have a beautiful and fearless ten month old boy who already understands that “no” means “not when I’m looking.” So we do a lot of looking.

    And yes, I feed him and change his diapers and bathe him (undercarriage included) and clip his fingernails and toenails, and will soon give him his first haircut. Guys here who are all full of bluster about those things being the “mother’s job” can kiss my grits – he’s my son and I’m far more concerned with the end result, as well as with getting the most of my time with him, than I am with image.

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  301. on May 7, 2010 at 11:59 am anoukange

    Dilbert–

    Congratulations, well done. If I have children they will live by very different rules then I live my own life by at the present. At least until they are 18 or so. My daughter is not leaving the house, ha, ha. It would be a shared concern for the future and the present, I agree.

    The fathers that I work for also are very hands on with the kids. I am surrounded by good examples.

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  302. on May 7, 2010 at 3:35 pm Thor

    @Roissy:
    “and releases them from dependence on men’s resources, then ”

    I think I know in what sense you mean that. But, it is false
    as stated; these females (I hesitate to call them “women” and
    not just because of tender age) are VERY dependent on men’s
    resources, it is just that they are extracted forcibly,
    often without personal involvement.

    BTW, what you call “whorelets” are referred to by Devlin
    as “prostitots”. Either makes sense, but the latter is funnier.

    “At the very least, we should be removing any and
    all welfare statist safety nets from the bottom
    of burgeoning wombs. If you can’t raise a kid without
    state aid or corporate aid (paid maternity leave
    is a form of consumer-supported welfare that enables
    single motherhood), then it dies in the street.

    Ahhh, the gentle form of eugenics, or actually it reverse.
    No government force, just REMOVAL of force. Nice.

    @skadi
    “Men today have much more freedom than in the older times
    (which is great, but also detrimental to their discipline
    and overall quality). They have much fewer obligations
    and more spoils these days.”

    Stuff and nonsense. Depending on how you look at it.
    Today, there are child support payments, alimony,
    taxes that go to 50% of income and beyond, etc. etc.
    Meanwhile, they are required to treat women as equals,
    whenever it suits women, and to support them
    whenever that suits.

    @dragnet
    “This is the lesson of our grandmothers. My grandmother
    was an absolutely stunning woman. But long after
    her looks & sexual power had faded, she managed
    to keep her husband in thrall to her because
    she had spent her younger years cultivating the tools
    she would need long after she was no longer able
    to cause traffic accidents by just getting up
    in the morning. In doing so, she extended her
    power over her husband in a way these aging hags
    rushing to get plastic surgery could only dream of. ”

    Interesting. Could you expand on HOW this was done?
    Meant as a real question, NOT a put-down.

    Thor

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  303. on May 7, 2010 at 7:04 pm Tim

    A nanny? For the love of God that is what filipinos are for. Don’t you have a degree or something? I mean, if that’s what you want to do, have at it. Most women have higher ambitions.

    Just sayin’.

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  304. on May 8, 2010 at 8:45 am sdaedalus

    A nanny? For the love of God that is what filipinos are for. Don’t you have a degree or something? I mean, if that’s what you want to do, have at it. Most women have higher ambitions.

    Comments like these are what make women decide to become DC Lawyer Bitches. What exactly do you guys want? On the one hand you give out about women prioritising their career over the rest of their life, on the other you want them to be high-powered career women. There has to be some logical consistency here (and you all complain so often about women being illogical, my goodness).

    Anouk supports herself, earns an honest wage, and brings happiness to little children, as well as pursuing her artistic endeavours on the side. This seems a sensible life choice.
    Btw I would love to have had someone like Anouk to look after me when I was a kid, life would have been so much fun and I would be a much better person today.

    What other job do you think would be “suitable” for someone in Anouk’s position? I would be really interested to know.

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  305. on May 8, 2010 at 9:31 am anoukange

    SD-

    I love you.

    Tim-

    Honey, I am an artist by profession. I earn additional income from a more steady source by taking care of children and also by teaching art classes. It pays $20 -50 an hour with perks. I am not ambitious about the pursuit of money, I’ve never been. I’m ambitious about living life in a way that allows me the most freedom to be happy. My men have always earned the big bucks while I ran the house. Besides, I love kids.

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  306. on May 8, 2010 at 10:01 am PA

    Tim (above) is illustrative of the fact that that there is a fine line between legitimate shaming of women or asshole game, and being a bitter beta with a forum for throwing your anger at a captive audience of any girls who will pay attention.

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  307. on May 8, 2010 at 1:08 pm Tim

    Yep, you’re right. Sometimes I speak without thinking. My own mother, and most of all my aunts did not have careers; they stayed home or worked part time. I think it’s great, anoukange, that you are happy with your life, because that is the only thing that matters.

    My only suggestion was one you have already stated you don’t care to hear, and that is your website/blog needs to be re-framed. Leave something for the imagination. Let the reader/viewer guess. Pictures of you have the opposite effect, not the one you are wanting.

    You know, the thought has crossed my mind, that maybe you actually want to be a pump and dump. This isn’t a moral evaluation of you; I am not trying to disrespect you here. After all, that we are monogamous creatures is a product of civilization, not a cause of it. My first impression upon viewing your blog is that it is antithetical to monogamy.

    I don’t want to write a book here; the point I am trying to make is I think your blog could use a balance of the two: the monogamy of the old world which emphasized restraint and which produced our civilization -and the sexual hypergamy of the present, which emphasizes short-term relationships based on how long the bio-chemical high lasts. If one day you write about someone you once loved, follow it up the next day with your love of the quadratic formula, or atomic mass. In other words, balance.

    I would take your photos down, because I know how men think, and they will not stick around with a woman who puts herself out there as much as you do. This does not mean you need be a cloistered nun. Again, my inclination is that women prefer a long term relationship. On the other hand, if you indeed prefer serial monogamy, then everything I have written you should disregard.

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  308. on May 8, 2010 at 1:46 pm anoukange

    Tim-

    My intent is not to meet a man via my blog. My blog is for creative expression, that is all, but thanks.

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  310. on May 10, 2010 at 12:54 am mark33

    This post is the biggest load of bullshit. Women are attracted to boring men above all, and curiosity or passion about anything but the most basic things in life are likely to get you seen as a freak. Women love boring, stolid, sturdy types. Women themselves are boring, pragmatic, and uncurious and have no ability to understand why a man would pursue anything but the basic things right under his nose.

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  312. on May 15, 2010 at 6:16 pm xsplat

    mark33

    This post is the biggest load of bullshit. Women are attracted to boring men above all, and curiosity or passion about anything but the most basic things in life are likely to get you seen as a freak. Women love boring, stolid, sturdy types. Women themselves are boring, pragmatic, and uncurious and have no ability to understand why a man would pursue anything but the basic things right under his nose.

    You could just as easily say that women are amoral thrill seekers with no long term planning capacity.

    All women are madonas who want nothing but stability. And all women are whores who want nothing but thrill.

    If you’re impression is that women love the pragmatic and dull, it may be that you haven’t yet learned how to thrill a woman past her threshold of seeing you as a provider. That you don’t know how to be seen of as the guy who she has thrills with.

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  313. on May 26, 2010 at 8:56 pm chic noir

    Anouck speaking to doug

    Doug-
    Your patience and kindness are sexy. You set an amazing example that I wish more would follow. Men like you inspire women, just so you know. You are at the tippy top. You use softness when needed and intelligence with hardness when needed. You are black belt in your style application. Merci.

    *chic noir shakes head to self and thinks to self*

    Poor anouck can’t see it but old doug dapper alpha poon taper is the worst of the lot. He plays the captain save a chick bit only to take your gratitude and use it to bond you closer so when he dumps you, it will hurt even more. Speaking of which, I wonder if he ever got around to calling/emailing Dreamer or was it just a e-p&d.

    *chic noir rubs hands together and shrugs shoulders thinks to self*

    “Wow some women will fall for anything, but not me cause I’m way to smart for that.”

    *a bell rings*

    *Chic Noir turns around*

    Default User bellows: Chic Noir, bring me a sandwich!

    *chic noir drops head like a submissive woman and says*

    “yes default”

    Default User yells again : and go get wife number three of the stable *sly alpha smile*. I feel like an alternate tonight .

    *cannon’s cannon take a swig of colt45 and raps “women ain’t sh*t but…”*

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