The ‘Chicks Dig Jerks’ series is a running theme here at the Chateau. Let’s face it, the material is practically limitless. Thank you ladies, for continuing to uphold the most virtuous traditions of your open-minded gender.
In our latest go-round, 19 year old model Jourdan Dunn gives birth to a bastard child by a convicted coke dealer:
Jourdan Dunn’s Longtime Boyfriend, Father of Her Son, Arrested for Cocaine Possession — Jourdan Dunn, who gave birth to a son in December, made a return to the catwalk at Aquascutum just five days ago, but news today may affect her schedule for the rest of the season. Jordan Cummings, 20, the father of her son and her longtime boyfriend (they’ve reportedly been together about five years), was arrested last night and sentenced to 3.5 years jail time for possession of 2 ounces of cocaine with intent to supply. Dunn, who lives with her mom and younger brothers, made no comment, but it’s suspected that Cummings’s long sentence was due to similar previous convictions.
A third-party quote in another article on this story is unintentionally hilarious:
One source said last night: “The police kicked down his front door when they arrested him.
“He’s well-known on the streets as a dealer. He’s been dealing since he was a teenager, and makes about £1,000 a week. He and Jourdan are always out and have been together about five years – though I’ve never heard marriage mentioned.”
Jourdan, who lives with mum Dee and two younger brothers in Greenford, West London, refused to comment. But a pal said: “She is devastated. She is committed to raising her son and focusing on her career.”
“Devastated”. Chick dates dude for five years and is devastated by his arrest? She didn’t know what he did for a living all that time? Yeah, I bet she was devastated. Devastated that he got caught.
Reader N.W. who sent me this article, had this to say:
Jourdan Dunn is a pretty, high-flying Afro-British model and she’s back after maternity leave. I’m of the opinion really good looking black girls are harder to score than really good looking white girls since their beauty is exotic and they are very scarce.
So, enquiring minds want to know the identity of the father, or in other words, who’s game is so tight he can:
1. date a model
2. have sex with a legit top model
3. impregnate a top model
4. have her keep the kid thereby imperiling her looks.We have the answer!
I don’t know if he is a nice guy or not, but possession with intent to supply places him on the Chris Brown side of the ledger.
Yes, this guy has world beating game. Namely, asshole game. As I’ve written before:
Maxim #71: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for assholes is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but shit attracts the most well-fed flies.
You don’t need to be an asshole to pick up hot girls, but there’s no denying that asshole game is an extremely potent attractant of the hottest babes (i.e. the ones who matter most). For those of you with zero ethical compunctions, I say raise your asshole flag and let it fly. Marching under its banner will cause your enemies to tremble with desire and surrender themselves willingly, laying down a crimson path of engorged vulvae to herald your arrival.
Asshole game, ironically, might most benefit those men who are farthest from embodying the asshole ideal. If you’re a hopeless case who suffers long dry spells, and who has tried to learn game but can’t seem to make it work no matter what you do, you need to drop a MOAB (Mother Of Asshole Bombs) on your targets. When all else fails, become an Avatar of Assholery. It’s the backup, last ditch option that almost always works.
This post dedicated to Anoukange.
Flame war, intense threadjacking to commence in 5, 4, 3, 2…
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I don’t know about this asshole game thing. Some girls get pretty upset when they realize that you don’t care that they are a Malcolm X scholar: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/
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She is probably also a coke head.
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*Snicker*
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The model/coke dealer is a symbiotic couple. She needs and validates his “work”. Kate Moss had a coke dealer boyfriend. Imagine how ruinous a model/chef couple would be for each other.
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In her defense, she has been with him since she was 14 and he was 15 — she was probably not a supermodel back then, and was young enough to get securely bonded while too young to exercise any rationality.
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Glad you brought this back. Hope you bring back Spot the Alpha, and the best: BOTM
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Let’s throw out some red meat. The reason why it is difficult to game black girls is because it is generally considered dating down (for a white guy). So the very fact that you are trying to game her already diminishes your alfa status.
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Yes, this is true, a perverse female behavior left over from the Pleistocene and totally maladapted to modern society. Like moths to a flame, except now the rest of us have to pick up the wreckage caused by out-of-wedlock babies, drug abuse, beatings (except when they are turned into entertainment – see: “Cops”), grotesque feminist/female entitlement that lumps the consequences of female bad choices onto men; etc. The human race was better off when a young woman’s parents and grandparents decided who and when she should marry. This may not have maximized for either male or female happiness in the pair-bond, but it worked on average.
Agree with doug that the model in question is probably a cokehead as well. Duh. Like her looks, though, agree with the sender of the e-mail.
Poor anouk – this is like summoning the kraken (anyone remember that?) except of a different kind. Maybe she needs a return to sound money – she may be feeling the effects of having been desouled by Ben Bernanke and the fiat masters, the poor thing, like so many of her sisters.
Seiously, anouk, just let it go. Cannon nailed it yesterday – all you are doing with your obessive lashing out is proving how the guy got under your skin and remains in your mind, by using asshole game no less. It doesn’t matter at this stage who lied, who said or did what – just move on.
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Re: Tekan
Sure thing champ.
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How do I go back in time to my Highschool days and become the asshole I was always meant to be when it mattered most?
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The only way to counter womens attraction to assholes, is to become one yourself.
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a grand a week? She’ll have twice as much fiat money as that “asshole”, does that make him lower status? that guys smalltime for a coke dealer you can make twice that selling weed. 50 gs a year isn’t worth a Class A narcotics conviction. Or most likely he lied to the police so they don’t go looking for his stash or slap him with an unlimted fine that’ll hurt the bank balance for years to come. And if youv’e seen this bird Dunn you’ll realise she’s just another lanky industry stick, not as fuckable as half the black girls i see walking around London ghetto’s, but obviously as easily impregnateable.
And yes most likely this is a case of addiction game(both love and coke) not asshole game. I don’t even think being a drug dealer automatically qualifies you as an asshole, I’m from south London which is considered much rougher then greenford(ealing, far west london, not actually ghetto at all) and i know quite a few dealers a lot of them are pretty cool guys.
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There’s a book for women called “why men marry bitches” or something like that. I haven’t read it but somebody at least seems to think men dig bitches like women supposedly dig jerks. Do you think that’s true?
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Asshole game works only for alpha males, however. We know most women can spot a beta or an omega from a mile away, and an asshole beta or omega is a complete no-no. Why would they want a subpar man who will also treat them like shit to reinforce his status?
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Tekan
Stupid.
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@ Jennifer
No. Next question.
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@Jennifer
I think in western society there are so many “bitches” that if you get married at all theres a good chance you married a “bitch”. But every western woman likes to think they are not a bitch(but all the others are haha), hence the book.
Go to China, Vietnam, pakistan etc and take a look at the wives there.
Also the use of the term bitch here is confusing. Bitches are female dogs, which are actually very obediant.
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anonymous female “Asshole game works only for alpha males, however.”
Game is what works.
If it doesn’t work, it’s not game.
Beta’s can improve their game.
One aspect that they can improve on is being more selfish.
GET
OVER
IT.
Fucking females piss me off sometimes.
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I have to second Polymath on this. I can’t be too harsh on her.
If Jourdan and this guy have been together for roughly 5 years and she just turned 20 then they had to get together when she was 14-15 with him being about the same age. He’s probably her first love and almost certainly wasn’t dealing then.
The fact that he has been dealing drugs AT ALL speaks to the fact that he wasn’t being allowed to live high off the hog on her money. Jourdan has also only been modeling about 3 years, took a few seasons off to have a baby and lives with her Mom instead of her boyfriend, so (1) she is not filty rich and (2) her Mother probably warned her, or did her best to warn her daughter, about the futility in messing around with this guy–as evidenced by the fact that Jourdan wasn’t living with him even though they had been together all that time and had a kid.
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@Jennifer
I read the book “Why men marry bitches” years ago and much of what she is saying is the usual stuff about not letting a man walk all over you, take more from you or the relationship than he puts into either, and basically, to avoid codependency and rushing into a relationship prematurely.
The book has a catchy title, which is the main reason it caught on.
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Are you kidding? Many entrepreneurs start young. I know I was dealing at that age. How could a boy with an entrepreneurial spirit NOT deal?
Of course I quickly moved on to other things to buy and sell. But at 14-15 one of the most obvious markets is of course drugs.
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If it doesn’t work, it’s not game.
Beta’s can improve their game.
One aspect that they can improve on is being more selfish.
GET
OVER
IT.
Fucking females piss me off sometimes.
If a beta who doesn’t know what he’s doing tries too hard to act like an asshole, he’ll just come off as a bitter tool. A steel fist needs a velvet glove.
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@xsplat
You could be right.
If he grew up a rough area of London (and I’m assuming she did too, or else how would they have met) then he could have been getting starting in the trade around that time. The article says he’s been dealing since he was a teenager.
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@ Jennifer
It’s basically another version of “The Rules”. Both wildly successful titles which have proven absolutely useless with regards to real word application, as is evidenced by the huge volume of public media attention devoted to the large (unhappily) single woman demographic.
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This is a very important series.
Success can be detrimental to future success. Like artists and athletes, reaping the rewards of ones effort can soften the edge that inspires it.
Successful gamesmen will start to see the ‘best’ side of women, and may be deluded into perceiving their nature differently than when they first broke into game. An easy mistake to make is to rewarding your women with your own ‘best’ side.
Don’t do it. Give them what they want, Jerk.
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Most models (not all) by fashion industry look alot like pubescent boys (look at this Jordanna Dunn she is a twig with no breasts) which also helps to explain why homosexuals prefer this type of model to work with.
A playboy magazinel on the other hand is pure male sexually driven which is why big tits and nice round tight feminine ass is what drives this magazine sales.
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maurice
Yeah. Its maladaptive without cultural restraint, which unlike what is often said in the game community was operating during our fully modern human hunter gather days before agriculture. This attraction to bad boy assholes however is very much seen in chimpanzees, or closest surviving primate relatives, where the fiercest and most prone to battle against other males that might seek sex with his female harem (usually settled without injury by the fierce display intimidation of the challenger) is first and foremost what the chimp females go for, or readily submit to. In other words it’s a partial survival of female attractors among our primate ancestors.
Unrestricted female sexuality with the concomitant emergence of widespread girl first choice to mate with bad boys who many not really be leaders, isn’t a throwback to stone age modern humans before agriculture. It’s a throwback to way before that, sometime before modern humans and culture had fully evolved.
Fully modern humans or homo sapiens sapiens seem to have emerged coincident with much more elaborate language around 80kya. About 50kya there’s evidence of significantly elaborated human tools and culture, including animistic/religious art. We must suppose that human culture mediated and co-evolving with elaborate language existed by this time. With earlier roots of course. This is the dawn of fully modern humans, aka stone age hunters and gathers (though their ancestors were hunters and gatherers as well, just with a less elaborated culture).
It seems very likely that that human culture from its first elaborated get go and likely before as well, was regulating and restraining female sexuality and mate choice. Hunter gather bands do so in different ways; the rules do vary. Females are rarely allowed unrestricted mate choice, though they may have a veto and sometimes a limited choice. Always there are rules and generally a lot of male choice. The head man in the band generally gets the female he wants and often two esp. following a success bride raid in the most primitive hunter gather bands. The really successful warrior and up and coming band leader in such things as bride raiding and fending that off from other bands, or in taking or defending a choice ranging territory, is likely to get a high choice as well. Here we have status mediating who gets what, and human females have evolved to be attracted to cultural status rather than only the fiercest at individual combat.
It’s now in the affluent West, with the relative receding of traditional religions as strongly regulatory of sexuality especially female sexuality outside marriage, and the rise of feminism which aggressively pushed unrestricted individual female choice in all matters sexual and partner selection, that culture shapes mating partner choice less than at any time since we became fully modern humans.
Hence the re-emergence of a pre human survival — the female desire for real bad boys who don’t have to max out leadership or general status.
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Jamilla, I have no idea why we, as adults, habitually underestimate the maturity and ability of teenagers. Sure, emotionally and intellectually they are still growing, but even at their not-quite mature level they are often very capable.
I started my entrepreneurial activities at about age of nine, as I remember. Buying wafer chocolate cookies at the local drug store and then selling them door to door at hard chocolate prices. Moved on to making candles in the kitchen as a hobby and selling them door to door to help raise money for cancer. How could you say no to a 10 years old selling home made candles for cancer!
Teens are smart enough to get into all sorts of mischief.
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@ Jennifer
I read this book a few years ago as well (my bf’s mom had it and she liked it). I really liked it, but most people who haven’t read it assume that “bitch” is used to tell women they should act like hormonal neurotic tyrants who use passive aggressive tactics to get what they want instead of being adults.
It’s the complete opposite. The book is based on the hypothesis that women who are independent, confident and know what they want out of life tend to attract lots of (nice, healthy, respectful) dudes who want to be with them 4eva. This is because once men feel like they own a woman and her undying loyalty for all eternity no matter what, that is when they start acting unappreciative. But if women make it clear (by action, not by words) that they’re fine with leaving at any moment the guy starts acting up, then men will be respectful. It’s kind of like this blog, but for women.
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@xsplat
I don’t underestimate that teenagers of today have the capacity for a maturity and ability far beyond what adults routinely accept from them, only that most teenagers are nowhere close to living up to that capacity.
There once was a time when we expected people to be preparing for a career–whether that was being a homemaker for the women, or something in the workforce for the men–by the time they were early teenagers, if not younger for men who might have been taking as de facto apprentices’ by their fathers. Nowadays, the period of adolescence has been extended to such an extent that that when one sees an enterprising youth–such as you were–who is hustlin’ hard for money and long-term rewards, it can be surprising.
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It would be interesting to get your take on this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/magazine/09babies-t.html?pagewanted=all
It would be even more interesting to devise a study to determine the effects puberty has on morality, particularly how it shapes what women regard as attractive behavior pre- and post-puberty.
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Good comment, Doug, and I was with you right up to “Hence the re-emergence of a pre human survival — the female desire for real bad boys who don’t have to max out leadership or general status.”
I thought in times of wealth women tend towards the herbs. Someone posted a study to that effect here. The bad boys with social clout are for economically troubled times, the pushover herblings are for times of ease and comfort. It seems you are saying the opposite?
I get it that women today who are not wanting to make babies go for the Alphas.
I really have no clue where you get this idea that they go for thugs. Outside of course such societies (getto and near-criminal classes) where being a thug actually give high status, I have never seen it or heard of it.
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Off topic:
Stupid whore who is a “4×4” (i.e. has 4 kids with 4 men) complains that it’s so unfair that society derides her as a whore when alpha males like Rod Stewart, Clint Eastwood, etc., who also have many kids with many different partners, aren’t derided but rather celebrated:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1273402/Ulrika-Jonsson-Why-I-derided-4×4-mum-dads-like-Rod-Stewart-7×5-heroes.html
So this dumb slut isn’t satisfied with having the freedom to bounce from man to man, cock to cock, in pursuit of alpha seed. She also wants to be treated just like an alpha male.
Disgusting.
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Yes, Jamilla, I was also informed that in the olden days a young teen was expected to start to make his way in the world. Education does indeed lead to a prolonged adolescence.
I have read embarassingly few autobiographies, but it is always startling to see just how different some things were, and just how much the same are others.
Education is hugely, vastly, incomprehensively overvalued in our societies.
I’m informed that in the olden days a college education was a sign of being too stupid to figure things out by yourself, and higher ups in most businesses rarely hired such weak minded men. The higher positions were reserved for the driven autodidacts.
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Someone needs to start a series on “Hot Chicks Dig Gold” or “Hot Chicks Dig Retired Cads as Dads” as well to balance this type of series.
For every model who hooks up with a drug dealer… there is a model who hooks up with an old wealthy “provider”. Or who hooks up with a guy who balances the jerk/nice guy act. Wikipedia around fave models and it’ll be clear… all Alphas in the spectrum, from lower (upper Beta) to higher (Clooney levels), are getting chicks.
Gisele and Adriana and Natalia got *married* to their retired (if that) cads. Didn’t look like they were going to settle for just being a gf.
Now, I don’t disagree that women do like jerky behavior. Girls do, yup. But not an ad infinitum type of thing – it’s the balance of Cad + Dad which gets a girl (including hot ones) in the long-run.
About the Bitches book, just throwing in that I’ve read it and agree with what those who have actually read it have said.
Don’t want to derail, but anyone who doubts, just read the book. It’s about women who give it all away – slut it up hoping for love, for example. (You know the girl… she sleeps with you and thinks you guys are boyfriend-girlfriend now. She lives with you and cooks for you etc., and thinks you owe her commitment now.) You have to tell these extremely emotional soft-hearted girls to “bitch” up just to get them to stop being so clingy. If we were to compare advice and lines in the book, it would agree with what Roissy has said before as advice to women.
With all respect (dragnet admire your other stuff), the argument made that a book’s perceived influence on popular female consciousness and actual trends in female loneliness is not very convincing. As an example, if I were to reword it a bit:
“The Game is basically another version of Mystery Method. Both wildly successful titles which have proven absolutely useless with regards to real word application, as is evidenced by the huge volume of public media attention devoted to the large (unhappily) single/divorced men demographic. The Men Going Their Own Way movement and George Sodini are just examples of this.”
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One last comment on the Bitches book… I’ve long theorized that acting just a touch “bitchy” – meaning, sh*ttesting – is a great way for a girl to calibrate her level.
A girl who has some leverage with a man, the type she can actually translate into commitment, can test that by being just a bit less than perfect with him.
If she’s hot enough, he’ll tolerate the moderately bitchy attitude. He’ll either deflect it Game-style or will just take it in stride.
And this way a girl can know if she actually has a chance of getting the lifelong commitment of the dude or not.
Just a theory… and of course must completely be in moderation of course.
Personally I think appealing to his soft side (through vulnerability) is a better tactic for women long-term to see how much he really cares. Nothing like sadness and tears to see a man jump through hoops to make things better (only when he genuinely has done something bad, of coruse).
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Sniper
Sniper, that’s a gender role reversal. Yes, the man needs to be kept on his toes. Women know this in their mitochondria. That’s why they forever play with making the man jealous.
But a woman who is not overwhelmingly out of control head over heels in love is not much use as a partner. If she could just take or leave the man, then the man will just treat her as an accessory. He won’t start fawning.
If he does start fawning, the whole dynamic spirals out of control. It’s uncontrollable because women can not be in a dominant or equal position of power in a relationship and still maintain lust for their men.
If a woman overdoes the independence thing, fine. She’s considered independent.
What is an independent woman? A woman who is not dependent on you. A woman you are not bonded with.
Being a man who is habituated to being adored, I would never settle for anything other than uncontrollable devotion. I need to know my woman would cave inside and be incapacitated if I left.
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LSB
Oh, god no. That is completely backwards, female projection.
Completely backwards, female projection.
Completely backwards, female projection.
Say it exactly opposite of what you just said, and you’ll have an accurate representation of the human condition.
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xsplat–
I don’t think the hottest women do go for thugs. Not dumb brawn only thugs anyway. (Though the dumbness thing is realative to them. A girl with an 85 IQ is gonna rates someone as too dumb at a lot lower point than a college grad with a 120 IQ will.)
But hot women can go for clever, leader thugs for sure. Crime bosses and higher ups for example.
Cultural influences haven’t completely dissolved either. We’re often talking subcultures here. Culture outside of the quite religious doesn’t do a whole lot of actual female mate choice restricting these days in America, but culture does influence a girl’s idea of what has status for example, and of what’s too lowdown and thuggish.
That’s not a simple dichotomy between the ghetto and criminals; middle middle class (what would be better working class in Britain) Italian girls who didn’t go to college or only to a community college or real easy one will be attracted to significantly different things than upwardly striving wasp (broad sense) girls who went to better colleges will, usually.
I haven’t seen that theory. Just thinking historically I can think of examples in support but as many or more that cut the other way.
In previous bad times before gen Y girls are starting out at least making slightly more than guys their age in large urban areas in the US (though I’m quite sure that’s not true at the top levels of income even in that age cohort) I think girls were more than usual attracted to strong providers, ideally who were also had social clout as would be the case for most if they’re up the income scale then. Well that’s an evo psych commonplace. Now things are different given the relative sources of family income esp. before the girl has kids, if she does.
I think in affluent times girls esp. those up the social ladder are likely to be more affected by what’s fashionable in men than other times, and that fashions change. Culture still matters there, not in an across the board restrictive way, but in her beliefs about what she wants and should. Girls do copy the fashionable leaders in their culture and subculture as much as ever.
There’s usually these days particularly among younger girls, a hunger for edgie thrilling guys that yes is shaped by cultural fashion to some extent, but comes from primitive urges. Smart drug lords and gang or other criminal leaders are at one cultural pole of that; actors and suave playboys at another.
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“What is an independent woman? A woman who is not dependent on you. A woman you are not bonded with.”
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@xsplat
But a woman who is not overwhelmingly out of control head over heels in love is not much use as a partner. If she could just take or leave the man, then the man will just treat her as an accessory. He won’t start fawning.
I don’t see any contradiction between being heed over heels in love on the one hand and on the other hand not allowing your partner to treat you in a way that you feel is intentionally demeaning, just because he can.
The author of the book is saying “don’t be a doormat.” No one loves a doormat because there nothing you can do to her that would make her leave you. It’s hard to even respect a person like that because you know that they don’t like you for who you really are–hence, they can’t be in love with ‘you’–they just are too much of an emotional wreck to leave you and too dependent to be able to make it on their own.
I think the best relationship is one where the partners are ‘interdependent,’ not ‘dependent’. You have two people who are fully capable of taking care of themselves but they willfully choose to love the other person and give up some of their independence to make their relationship work.
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Doug
You make my point for me.
They aren’t attracted to thugs. They are attracted to high status men who are risk takers and who buck the system.
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LSB–
Yeah but Roissy’s not talking about the marriage long run. Most of these girls are slutting or semi-slutting it up w/guys who are well more to the cad side than dad before then.
Actually there are many times as many of the later. Well they’d prefer he not be too old. 10-15yr older ok, after that, loses points. However they’ve often been through their out of work actor or slippery arts and entertainment world deal maker guys phase first. And yeah, the higher status drugs like coke type dealer to a moneyed clientele type phase first.
But I agree, girls who require a long term relationship that they’re quite sure will be long term, in order to have sex, usually do prefer a cad/dad mixture if they can swing that, and if they can’t (not that many alphas) usually do more heavily emphasize the dad/mate side.
It’s fling happy seml-sluts and sluts who really go for cads, and why cad game has become so important to guys who aren’t advanced naturals at it.
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Neither do I. Is that what we were talking about?
I thought you were talking about the woman being too clingy and as an antidote for that asserting a more independent attitude and conveying that she just as soon take or leave the man. I thought you were saying such an attitude was attractive.
If you have to throw in the straw man of abuse to bolster your argument, I don’t think we are talking about the same thing at all.
I’m saying that in a healthy relationship a woman who is clingy to the point of being reverentially devoted is considered by men to be a highly valued and attractive long term asset.
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LSB–
The most stripped down way to put it is that girls who only want to have sex in a LTR (not to mention not before marriage) know they must find a long term loyal type guy as an inflexible requirement, to avoid having their hearts and plans broken. Long term loyal guys are a lot harder to find among cads/alphas. Especially if they’re not quite a lot older than she. So the mix of what she’s looking for in her 20s is significantly different than what the semi-sluts and sluts happy with hot flings often are.
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This post much condensed:
And lastly, because I’m tired, not because there aren’t countless other examples of how I showed my lack of interest for you for anything other than a friendship:
If I had really liked you, I would have waited to have sex with you and gotten to know you. I would have taken it slow because you would have counted for something more. I would have taken the time to build proper sexual pressure and chemistry.
Courtesy of Anoukange.
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@xsplat
I don’t see any contradiction between being heed over heels in love on the one hand and on the other hand not allowing your partner to treat you in a way that you feel is intentionally demeaning, just because he can.
Neither do I. Is that what we were talking about?
I thought that was what you were talking about.
I thought you were talking about the woman being too clingy and as an antidote for that asserting a more independent attitude and conveying that she just as soon take or leave the man. I thought you were saying such an attitude was attractive.
Oh, well if what you are saying is that having a sort of ‘take me or leave me’ attitude regardless of the circumstances that aroused that attitude, then I would have to agree with you and say that attitude is most definitely unnattractive.
If you have to throw in the straw man of abuse to bolster your argument, I don’t think we are talking about the same thing at all.
Since it was you that used the phase ‘but a woman who is not overwhelmingly out of control head over heels in love is not much use as a partner,’ I was left to ponder what a woman who is out of control in love is willing to put up with.
There was no strawman.
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Well, that’s an interesting train of thought. I can tell you from my last relationship that my woman was internally tormented for not being able to fall out of love with me, even though I hadn’t yet renounced my other girlfriend.
That is, of course, endearing. Made me take her more seriously. Slowly turned me from seeing her as a fling to taking her more seriously.
I don’t think most men are prone to abuse though. I think it’s a strawman. I think women raise fear of abuse amongst themselves, way over and above what is normal human behavior. They create male bogeymen.
I don’t know why they do that.
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@ xsplat
I wasn’t suggesting that the woman should threaten to leave her partner whenever she doesn’t get what she wants. That is childish power play and bordering on abusive. But the man should have the understanding that she has the power to leave and get over him if he does something unacceptable.
Requiring that a woman hand over relentlessly needy adoring love and devotion no matter what the man does or feels in reciprocation sounds like a severe degree of insecurity (ie, not alpha).
Men might like clingyness for a temporary ego boost, but they will never *respect* her. It is only when women act like extensions of their mates that they become accessories to be used.
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Well, ya, but have you ever been in love? Have you ever been in love and had the power to stop being in love? Love doesn’t work like that.
Yes, of course, from a woman’s point of view, she shouldn’t accept abuse.
We aren’t talking about that. YOU were talking about what a MAN finds attractive. You were not talking about advice to women to avoid being abused.
It is highly attractive if the woman is in love. Being in love is not a controlled situation.
Why the fuck would I care what it sounds like?
I like it. I settle for nothing less in my relationships than genuine love and adoration.
What the hell are you talking about?
Used, used used. Are we talking about abuse, or attractive feminine behavior? Which is it, woman!
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@xsplat
I think it works both ways. Women who are too independent and b*tchy need to soften up.
There’s a sweet spot in the middle, well, closer to the dependent side, that is ideal.
As for clingy behavior, I get the feeling you, Jamila, Sniper are probably have different things in mind.
What’s a good example of an Alpha-ish guy who does something bad, where a reasonably sane woman even if in love should start to doubt him?
How about molesting children?
If a woman is soooo hopelessly clingy and in love with a man, and he starts to abuse little kids, is she worthless if she starts to doubt love for him?
Also, isn’t it just evolutionarily unfit for *any* person to become so tightly bonded to another that they can’t imagine being with anyone else?
Xsplat, if you passed from this earth tomorrow do you imagine that the women who love you so much will kill themselves to join with you in the afterlife? Do you think that is true love?
These are extreme scenarios I’ve described, but I hope they demonstrate a point. A healthy person maintains a reasonable sense of individual identity along with shared “team” identity.
A woman who loves a guy who doesn’t commit to her, give her babies, etc. is wasting her time. It seems to me most men on this board would advise a woman to not waste time on the players. Even Roissy’s post on this said the same a while ago – girls should try to get commitment while they are young, don’t waste time falling in loooove with the bad boy uber Alpha who won’t commit.
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@Doug1
Hm… this is interesting to think about:
I think it’s pretty well known that good-looking people “get away with” more.
I would guess most men are willing to tolerate a higher notch count from a very, very attractive girl than they would a moderately attractive one.
So the seduction via Game of a girl has to be carefully calibrated perhaps to her worldview, and her age, her experience, her sense of guilt, etc.
Just interesting to think about, especially in light of some of the more, mm, gossipy chatter on another post. The idea of the “pretty girl” experience vs. not-so-pretty.
And then to throw in the idea of growing up with a certain family structure, or religious influence, or community influences…
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To add to what I meant about advice to women, I’d imagine most men who can empathize with women would give the advice I’m talking about.
Not talking about the men who hope for a world where all women are more sl*tty, they are cool with the idea of their mom or daughter as a total sl*t, they are never gonna marry, etc. I find those guys, even today, to be the (vocal in this sphere) outliers in society.
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On good looking black girls. I think that white guys just have a higher standard for black girls than they do for white girls so there version of a black 9 is actually a black 15.
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LSB
LSB, are you talking about what is most healthy for the woman, or are you talking about what MEN find attractive?
It seems obvious to me that you have not noticed a gender difference in regards to one gender sucking up to the other. Men are very attracted to women who fawn. Women aren’t.
Of course, from a woman’s point of view, she needs to care for herself. That is an entirely different issue as to what men find attractive. A woman head over heels out of control in love is attractive, full stop.
And as for the suicide thing, yes, I’ve had the occasional suicide threat. Or the occasional mention that if I ever left they’d never fuck another man. It’s endearing.
The only thing that is too clingy is if the woman kisses a bit too many times throughout the day, while you are in the middle of trying to concentrate.
There is no such thing as too soft and too in love.
You are conflating the genders, and assuming they are the same, and assuming that what you value in a man, a man would value in you.
It’s not like that. We are very attracted to women who dote, who love unreservedly, who actually worship us. Who adore us. It’s incredibly endearing.
That’s a huge difference between the sexes.
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Woops – the suicide threats aren’t endearing. That’s a mental disorder.
If your argument that mental disorders are unattractive, we can agree.
Any level of devotion short of borderline personality disorder is endearing and attractive to men.
The reverse is not attractive to women.
It is this confusion -that women think that what they think is the same thing that men think, that makes idiotic ideas like being bitchy and reserved seem attractive.
God, it’s so painfully wrong.
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LSB
Sure, sure, sure. Stick up for yourself, avoid abuse, be strong. That’s all well and good advice for a woman to give to a woman.
But it is not advice on how to be attractive.
Those are two separate issues.
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Any chance of a Beta of the Month revival?
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LSB, the reason you THINK that a man would not find it attractive if a woman didn’t stick up for herself, is that he could not respect her.
It doesn’t work like that. Men don’t need a woman to stick up for herself. He wants to stick up for her. He wants to take charge and be the man and lead. All she needs to do is follow. Trust. Trust blind.
Now if that’s a bad idea for the woman, fine. It’s a bad idea for the woman.
But it’s what men find attractive.
Clear?
Of course women would never find that attractive.
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I don’t think most men are prone to abuse though. I think it’s a strawman. I think women raise fear of abuse amongst themselves, way over and above what is normal human behavior. They create male bogeymen.
I don’t know why they do that. — xsplat
Women do this because of projection of their own behaviours.
Women are hardcore abusers by nature. They are constantly slapping men, throwing vases, having verbally abusive hissy fits on their boyfriends, and in general betray and lie about everything under the sun… in other words, shit testing is hardcore psychological and emotional violence, by every definition that the DV Industry throws out there.
Yes, women are more prone to be moved by their emotions than men, and women are also more prone to rationalize their actions after the fact… but, women are not mindless idiots either, and in 95% of the cases where a woman pulls head games or shit tests a man, she is being intentionally abusive, and she knows it! In other words, many women choose to be abusive, and fully comprehend the depths they are sinking to… after all, 95% of the shit-tests they pull on a beta and get away with, they themselves would consider abusive by today’s DV standards and (they say) they would dump a guy in heartbeat for such similar shoddy behaviour if it happened back to them.
Women are so prone to find men to abusers not because men are actually so abusive to women, but because women so recognize the wickedness that lurks in their own hearts when they shit-test/abuse a man in a like manner. In other words, in a woman’s mind, if she were a man and had male power, she would be abusive herself. That’s exactly what she would do if she actually ever attained the type of power she lusts after in a male.
It’s just like kids. Parents don’t have any desire to abusive to their children. Their children however, if the power dynamic were reversed and children had power over parents… well, I have little doubt that children would use that power to be abusive to their parents.
The hierarchy is there for a reason.
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@ xsplat
My point is that being clingy and hopeless is *not* attractive to men, in the long run. Clingyness might be flattering and gives a feeling of security, but it doesn’t make one person respect the other, and I believe true love is about equal respect.
Of course I’ve been in love. But I would never fall in love with someone who didn’t respect me as an equal and loved me just as much as I loved him. If I heard him saying things like, “I require MY woman to feel sick with the thought of my leaving her!” and meant it, I would fall out of love with him because he wouldn’t be the person I thought he was. And I could never love someone with such a creepy attitude towards someone he’s supposed to love.
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And Fedrz takes the gold medal!
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Sniper, love as you want. You are deluded if you think that men love the same way as you do.
Intent on remaining deluded as well, it seems.
Equality retard.
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Good post, Roissy.
I especially like this bit of advice:
“If you’re a hopeless case who suffers long dry spells, and who has tried to learn game but can’t seem to make it work no matter what you do, you need to drop a MOAB (Mother Of Asshole Bombs) on your targets. When all else fails, become an Avatar of Assholery. It’s the backup, last ditch option that almost always works.”
This is great advice to a hopeless beta or omega who can’t make game work otherwise.
I call it “douching it up” to attract women.
Of course, becoming a douche bag isn’t as easy as it seems since a lot of betas work in environments where if they “douche it up” by getting tattoos, getting a deep tan, spiking their hair, getting ear rings, getting muscled out, etc., they will get fired or at least get weird looks when they are at work.
…but good advice never the less.
I guess a hopeless beta or omega could try running a split personality: one for work and one for “the ladies.”
However, the best way for a beta/omega to “douche it up” is to hang around other douche bags.
Join your local MMA gym or become a gym rat at your local gym. You will meet plenty of d-bags there, and all you have to do is befriend them and copy their style.
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The chick is skinny and ugly, why would anyone who has a choice bang her and not someone else? I can’t see why the author blindly puts this girl on a pedestal just because she’s a model. Beta.
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In my experience black girls and west coast asian girls prefer asshole game and thug-ness.
The girls that are really worth your time prefer more subtle assholery, like speaking with condescension or being arrogant without apology. But both have the capacity to be equally dirty in bed.
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“In my experience black girls and west coast asian girls prefer asshole game and thug-ness.
The girls that are really worth your time prefer more subtle assholery, like speaking with condescension or being arrogant without apology. But both have the capacity to be equally dirty in bed.”
Hmmm…have to disagree.
I have seen plenty of white college hotties with d-bags (dudes with “sleeves”, ear rings, spikey hair, etc.) here in Cali.
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Read the article about the girl who got raped in Haiti.
GIRLS ARE AS DUMB AS DIRT
Good thing she didn’t go to the Congo to fight the white patriarchy. They use bayonets there (to rape the women.) I guess they REALLY are rebelling against the white patriarchy in the Congo.
Anyway, girls who go to Haiti are just going for assholes. Perfect example of asshole game by natural assholes.
Is there any reason left to treat a woman with respect? If there is, I can’t think of one. It sounds like treating one with respect just puts you into a hole. Just a bad idea. So, like our blog host points out, you must resist your natural tendency to treat a woman well. They won’t forgive you for that (the good treatment). Sorta like the French.
A good quote from an old author:
A faithful woman is a woman who has never been asked. Any man upset by his wife’s amours is a rustic.
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You might love this theoretical guy, but if you were absolutely certain that you were his ‘equal’ you would most certainly be more attracted to the other men in your life.
The equality shit might work, but your best bet for it is to slave away in your ‘comfortable concentration camp’ churning butter, and darning woolens for the rest of your life because you can’t have it and be surrounded by other men without desiring to trade up.
No real man is going to put up with being ‘loved’, knowing he is not desired.
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@E
Really? Sounds like SoCal. Due to the high temperatures there the women have developed an ancient ape-like attraction towards blatant douche-ness.
The women here in the more temperate climate of SF-bay area prefer a more refined and cultured form of asshole.
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And this latest anecdote officially promotes all your previous anecdotes to the rank of data. Science bless you.
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“Really? Sounds like SoCal. Due to the high temperatures there the women have developed an ancient ape-like attraction towards blatant douche-ness.”
Yes, really…and it is not just in SoCal.
Haven’t you seen the MTV show “Is She Really Going Out With Him” or the website http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/?
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@ K(yle)
That’s not true at all. I’m not attracted to anyone more than I am to my current boyfriend, otherwise he wouldn’t be my boyfriend! And what makes you think I don’t desire him because I feel like we’re equals?
I never really got why some women date assholes, but I don’t think it’s an intrinsic trait in all of us. I have been hit on by douche bag alphas using similar ploys I read in PUA guides (negging, pre-selection, push and pull), and it honestly makes me never want to date/have sex with them at all. I’ve always fallen for the nice “betas” who might not have washboard abs or the best social tact, but were genuinely good people who loved and respected me.
[editor: we’ll need a few questions answered to determine whether your choice in men is one of borne of necessity or of preference.
how tall are you?
how much do you weigh?
how old are you?
on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your facial beauty?
that will do for now.]
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‘Gina tingle at its finest. “But he’s a lotta fun!” (i.e., “he’s got a big dick and can make me CUUUMMM!!!!”) she’ll say. (“Ha, sucker!” he’ll say.)
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you need to drop a MOAB (Mother Of Asshole Bombs)
hahaha
nice.
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5’4″
108lbs
23 years old
7
[editor: assuming you’re telling the truth and not trying to put one over the studio audience, those numbers are good. 18.5 bmi: excellent. 23yo: very nice. 7 face: pass.
congratulations, you are a shining exception to the rule. feel free to pick up your goodie bag of female tendencies to extrapolate from individual experience to global generalization on the way out the door.]
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Hey Sniper, I have a little rationality vs cognitive dissonance quiz for you.
What do you make of the research that shows that when women are shown various pictures, they are completely incapable of accurately reporting when they are aroused?
I can’t wait to see you tap dance around that one.
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But I would never fall in love with someone who didn’t respect me as an equal and loved me just as much as I loved him. If I heard him saying things like, “I require MY woman to feel sick with the thought of my leaving her!” and meant it, I would fall out of love with him because he wouldn’t be the person I thought he was. And I could never love someone with such a creepy attitude towards someone he’s supposed to love. — Sniper
The question becomes not whether you would tolerate that behaviour from a lover of yours, but rather, if you were dating a person who you discovered was beneath your hypergamous desires, would you treat him in the same disrespectful and creepy way in which you said was unnacceptable for another to treat you.
Of course, I’m sure that you would not sink to such levels… but… the vast majority of women seem to delight in bringing harm to a man who has fallen below her hypergamous standards… especially an ex-lover. This is distinct difference between the sexes.
Most women are quite aware of what ***is*** and ***isn’t*** acceptable behaviour in a relationship. I mean, they sure can point it out fast when they receiving the shit… but, do they have any self restraint when the shoe is on the other foot?
The vast majority of men I know, when the love fades, put in some effort to have tact, and to not destroy the other person emotionally and mentally… women on the other hand, when they percieve that they are dating a man beneath their worth, will do almost everything in her power to be abusive, manipulative, destructive and basically, shower their “partner” with enormous amounts of disrespect.
Perhaps the most hardcore of asshole-game alphas do this as well, but, as we all know, asshole-alphas are in the vast minority, whereas bitchy entitlement princesses looking to psychology harm a man who has not met her hypergamous desires are in the vast majority.
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“editor: assuming you’re telling the truth and not trying to put one over the studio audience, those numbers are good.”
If she is the girl who writes the blog “sniper” links to, then yes she is telling the truth.
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Just because you’re aroused by something, doesn’t mean you want to actually sleep with it. Here’s another fun fact (might be from the same study): heterosexual women are subconsciously aroused by lesbian porn and/or naked pictures of other women (among other things). Does this mean they want to sleep with women now just because they’re aroused?
[editor: what is known is this: women are aroused with the men they do sleep with (barring minor exceptions). so while women may have an embedded disconnect between gina arousal and imagery, gina arousal is a prerequisite for any sexual activity with a man they do choose to sleep with. so despite superficial implications that the female tingle-brain disconnect means any man is equally attractive to any woman, betas are still left sucking the fumes of their alpha betters.]
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@ fedrz
Well that’s very sad that you know so many women who would do that, but I try to treat my exes with respect and give them more distance if they ask for it (especially if I’m the one who terminated the relationship), which is probably why I’m still on close speaking terms with them. Even if I don’t desire them anymore, I still love them. I don’t see how anyone could be that cruel.
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@xsplat
I think we’re talking over each other. With your general points you’ve added, I see nothing to disagree about really.
Yes, a mentally unhealthy person is unattractive. A girl who can’t make decisions which will benefit her the greatest in the long-term, and isn’t aware of her true sexual market value, is going to have issues in life. Her expectations will be unrealistic.
So I think we’re thinking of different things… I’m think of a girl who would completely change her value system and even screw over her own family for a guy who isn’t giving her the same commitment as being unhealthy. If you’ll allow me to guess, I’m thinking you’re imagining a girl who is sort of enforcing boundaries in another way (like telling a guy stuff like, “Let’s take it slow” or expressing doubts). The latter is wayyyy to mannish, the former is just having good character.
So all I can say now is that the methods I’ve used worked for me. I got the proposal to someone that many accuse of being too “Alpha” or playa or whatever to settle down properly. (And this isn’t the first time I’ve gotten that coveted commitment… fine these guys may actually be Beta, but they have at least some redeeming Alpha qualities and most importantly, have *choices* other than me.) (By the way I’m not interested in opening up that debate again, I’m over it and have accepted any risks involved.)
The multiple girls who stalk my Guy and fawn over him (even now) in the way you describe didn’t get the proposal however. Girls younger than me, girls freakier than me, girls prettier than me.
For what it’s worth, when I cry to him in some moody insecure moment he gets kind of annoyed… he hates to see me cry. So I control it. It comes naturally though sometimes… but I think he just freaks out at how much I depend on him or something? He (and I) prefer to laugh, tease each other, play around, neg around… it’s more fun to smile than cry with someone you love.
For a girl’s own mental satisfaction of her hypergamy, a longer term “anti-slut defense” sort of thing, she has to let love develop… not lust which is what you might be talking about?
Otherwise she’ll think as I have talked about before… well geez if I got Mr. Hard to Get why can’t I can’t an even bigger Alpha like some pro athlete or rock star? There’s *always* someone who is just a little or lot more Alpha… always.
So it’s the real *love* that grows from two people intertwining their lives together over time (at least over a few months and several ups and downs, and truly sharing in life together) that leads to the love you’re talking about.
Otherwise it’s just lust confused with love… and lust can go away the moment a guy stops being fully Alpha. Love however can weather quite a few Beta moments.
Just my opinion, and something to balance out the views. I feel like I’m a walking exception case in terms of chastity and a bunch of other things so I hope my case just helps show things are not always if x then b. It’s hard and you have to swallow many bitter pills (and not get sad about it but rather, act on it) and work hard, and be real and have faith, it can work out for all of us. Hedonists and comittmentists, all of us.
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“I would fall out of love with him because he wouldn’t be the person I thought he was.”
Who do you love? /
Girl I see through, through your love /
Who do you love me or the thought of me? me or the thought of me…
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Huh? Does that actually mean anything? Just because you are sexually aroused by something doesn’t mean you actually want to have sex with it. Is that what you are saying?
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If by sleep with, you mean have sex with, then yes.
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When I see someone make a sweeping statement about black women (ie, “They tend to ___”),
it’s apparent that person has little-to-no experience dating black women.
Here on Planet Earth, personal experience has taught me that black women vary as widely as white, Asian, or Hispanic women. Amazing huh?!?
See, there are these relevant factors like socio-economic level, IQ, family background, individuality, etc, etc.
Racist “thinking” (actually a lazy abdication from genuine thinking) appeals to ignorance, mental laziness, fear, frustration, anger, and insecurity.
Sometimes it’s better just to admit you really don’t know about something. That’s actually more respectable than a pretense which attempts to cover up ignorance.
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@ fedrz
Well that’s very sad that you know so many women who would do that, but I try to treat my exes with respect and give them more distance if they ask for it (especially if I’m the one who terminated the relationship), which is probably why I’m still on close speaking terms with them. Even if I don’t desire them anymore, I still love them. I don’t see how anyone could be that cruel. — Sniper
Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that you were one of those women who aren’t like that!
I’ve never run across one of you before.
My apologies.
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And sniper, you seem to not have noticed the flip side of what I was alluding to.
It may be that you are not sexually attracted to your boyfriend. Even though you self report that you are.
By the way, your pictures on your website are outstanding. Pretty well my ideal version of femininity.
Yum with a low down exclamation.
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Woops – spoke too soon. There are all sorts of pics on the blog. I just glanced at the first few. She’s my type of yum.
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Lol oh boy. Let’s put this another way. Just because you find something arousing doesn’t mean you want to have the experience of personally having sex with it. There is a separate kind of pleasure that comes from observation only. Are you telling me you would have sex with every woman you’ve ever masturbated to, if presented with the opportunity at the time?
[editor: you don’t know men very well, do you?]
“If by sleep with, you mean have sex with, then yes.”
I’m sure I wouldn’t sleep with another woman, regardless of being aroused after seeing one, because I am hetero.
[there’s arousal, and then there’s ‘i want to get fucked hard by him’ arousal.]
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@xsplat
Read over your responses again, and seriously don’t see where I’d disagree.
My rambly comment above sort of got at it… it’s sort of when a girl starts loving so unconditionally.
Does she love after knowing a guy for 15 minutes and going with him?
Does she love after knowing him 7 hours (enough time to build rapport or whatever)?
Or does she love him after she’s actually gotten to know who he really is, not just the Alpha-ish facade he’s projecting?
I feel like I give the sort of love you’re talking about to my fiance… but it didn’t come out of me like a firehose within a week of meeting him. It built more gently, like a small trickle that turned into a river.
Plus, not everyone is into the mushy love wove drama 24-7. My impression is that a lot of guys like knowing it’s there regularly, but not constantly all day long (like you said about the girl who is so needy about kissing you she distracts you from other things).
There’s a meme out there that men don’t like prolonged romantic displays of love, etc. They find the roses and poems kind of effeminate or something? Or they just don’t see the point?
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Hey, Sniper —
Good posts, and good self-evaluation. I checked out your blog — although your face and body are 7’s, you score so high on style points that your overall is an 8.
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Just because you’re aroused by something, doesn’t mean you want to actually sleep with it. Here’s another fun fact (might be from the same study): heterosexual women are subconsciously aroused by lesbian porn and/or naked pictures of other women (among other things). Does this mean they want to sleep with women now just because they’re aroused?
Yes!
Women become lipstick lesbians because of the attention it gets them from men, which raises their status amongst both women and men.
A hetero woman has a reason to engage in homosexuality – because it raises the desires of men.
On the other hand, women don’t have the same desires of watching two gay men – well, almost. If one studies things a little bit, there are women that are attracted to male homosexuality… however, it is on a completely different level. For a woman, the horniness of male sexuality comes from watching a superior man dominate and make submissive another man, and then the woman gets screwed after by the dominant man, who has now established his superior dominance.
There’s a world of difference, and it goes deep on a societal level too.
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@ xsplat, cont.
I assumed you were alluding to my being mystically aroused by alphas around me, more so than by my boyfriend. I don’t think this is true.
Thank you for the compliments.
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You have a lot to learn about men.
You’ve come to the right place if that’s your aim.
Of course I would. 95% of men would.
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@Sniper
Actually… I think most men would have s*x with every women they find attractive enough to touch themselves to. lol
Women however, no, we wouldn’t. It’s the whole reason Game focuses so much on the Anti-Slut Defense thing. She may be turned on, but then worries about being perceived as a sl*t.
Also, for women… it’s like, if I’m in a bakery I’ll think about how badly I’ll want a cupcake. I’ll crave that moist yummy cupcake with icing… I’ll inhale the sweet scent in that bakery, remember the last time I had one, look at each one in detail, lust in my eyes, wet in my… mouth….
But if I’m going to the beach with my boyf that weekend, I’ll say no. Even if I want it sooo badly…I’ll say no. That one cupcake might make my tummy pooch out. It might set me on a spiral where I eat many cupcakes and I look horrible in my suit.
I’ll walk away, alebeit angry that cupcakes are so full of carbs and calories despite being sooooo yummm… it’s not fair God, it’s not fair! 🙂
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Just cuz a man has a shady source of income, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s an asshole or jerk. Some criminally employed men are extra charismatic and love to spoil their women.
[editor: many assholes are charismatic. it goes with the territory.]
Why would you wholeheartedly buy into that social bias, when you question so many others?
[which is more likely: a typical coke dealer is an asshole, or a typical coke dealer is a sweet-natured niceguy? reaction time counts toward your final score.]
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*sigh* so many comments in moderation… oh well let me express myself anyway, that’s what we girlies do
@Sniper
Had to check out your blog as well. Cutie girl! Love your style, very Betsey Johnson meets Harajuku Lovers meets… you I guess. Nice style, very girly
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OMG… Sniper… I have that cardigan from “Interview Lolita Weekly”, the light pink with silver bows… Forever 21 right? Was in stores few months ago? loll
Oh you explained above too…loll. I like this Lolita style, I’ll have to check it. Also like the Japanese references…
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@ fedrz
I am familiar with the advantages of displaying lesbian acts in front of men, but that’s very different from going out of your way to privately sleep with a woman for your own personal desires. I don’t think most hetero women would do that.
Notice how girls putting on those shows don’t touch each other as passionately and deeply as two lesbians would. In high school, my then bf and I would make fun of how they “French kiss” in the air, without touching their tongues.
Yes, women have this tendency to view gay couples as a “seme” and “uke”, to use the Japanese terms (a dominant partner, and a submissive partner). Yaoi and gay porn are ways for women to enjoy sexual bonding without feeling like she has to compare herself to the woman.
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The key to understanding Sniper’s preferences/reasoning is knowing that she’s an INTJ – the rarest of all 16 types on the Myers Briggs for females.
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I’m white, so I don’t judge blacks by white standards. I’m just glad this “Jourdan” girl is black herself.
There’s no reason to get mad at what blacks do among themselves, so long as they stay away from us.
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Yeah, I had a look at Sniper’s blog too. Holy pedophelia, my little lolita!
Are you actually old enough to be allowed to read a blog like this? Don’t your parents have a screening device?
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I am familiar with the advantages of displaying lesbian acts in front of men, but that’s very different from going out of your way to privately sleep with a woman for your own personal desires. I don’t think most hetero women would do that.
Notice how girls putting on those shows don’t touch each other as passionately and deeply as two lesbians would. In high school, my then bf and I would make fun of how they “French kiss” in the air, without touching their tongues.
Yes, women have this tendency to view gay couples as a “seme” and “uke”, to use the Japanese terms (a dominant partner, and a submissive partner). Yaoi and gay porn are ways for women to enjoy sexual bonding without feeling like she has to compare herself to the woman. — Sniper
So, it’s quite a bit different than the dynamic of a woman watching two gay men together. Why is that? How can this be? I thought that gender was a social construct! But basically, you are admitting that your example was complete crap anyways, eh?
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“I like this Lolita style”
Wanna know the sexiest outfit my sexiest girlfriend ever wore?
Pajamas.
I’d dress her up in kids sized pajamas and take her out. Because she was a kid sized little lolita.
Damn. I was constantly on fire for that girl.
Holy fuck – yes – you’ve got the style goin on, little Sniper.
I’d put up with some equality – I’d let you get away with it.
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“I thought that gender was a social construct! But basically, you are admitting that your example was complete crap anyways, eh?”
Where did I say gender was a social construct? How am I admitting my example is “crap”?
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@ lovelysexybeauty
Yep, it’s from F21! Did you get it on clearance too? It was quite a steal, I must say. I kinda want to switch out the shell buttons for pearls though.
Thank you for the kind words~ ❤
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Where did I say gender was a social construct? How am I admitting my example is “crap”?
Well, don’t throw out examples of women going down on the pussy then, while claiming similarities between the sexes, unless you really mean it. (Which you obviously didn’t – and why don’t we take women seriously again?) Female homosexuality and male homosexuality are viewed VASTLY in different manners by the sexes! You threw it out as an example, not me. Don’t blame me for your shortcomings, please, despite how much your “lolita” status is endearing to some men. (In some countries, logging onto sites with the name “lolita” will get you on a watch list!)
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ah I see in reading the comments that the realist covered it: “I don’t even think being a drug dealer automatically qualifies you as an asshole… i know quite a few dealers a lot of them are pretty cool guys.”
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My guess is that if Sniper likes the play the Lolita, she might enjoy the attentions of someone who “fathers” her or at least is comfertable and nice to her. Asshole game wouldn’t appeal to someone who wants to be nurtured.
But I could be wrong about what appeals to Sniper.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Hetero women who display lesbian acts for pure attention-grabbing is different from women sleeping with other women because they themselves want it, after seeing lesbian/softcore porn.
I think I already mentioned that I wouldn’t sleep with another woman no matter how arousing I found her image.
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Asshole game is a skill-set, not a personality.
For instance I’m very paternal, and all my girlfriends eventually call me Daddy. They come to internalize the notion, deep down in their core. And yet I very much use jerky behavior regularly to maintain sexual tension.
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“My guess is that if Sniper likes the play the Lolita, she might enjoy the attentions of someone who “fathers” her or at least is comfertable and nice to her. Asshole game wouldn’t appeal to someone who wants to be nurtured.”
Some girls don’t respond to “asshole game” because it scares them off (at least, the d-bag/player type of “asshole game” that I run) since they don’t want to deal with players.
That is why “prey selection” is so important with respect to gaming girls.
You have to make sure your target is cool with your approach.
If you come off as too much of an asshole, you will scare the girl off.
That is why a lot of PUAs say to “act mysterious” and let her do a lot of the initial talking. It is best to act as a blank slate an let her project her wants and desires onto you.
Ask her lots of questions to see what kind of girl she is.
If you read that she is a slut, turn up the asshole game to 10.
If you read that she is a bit of a shy girl, then keep the asshole game in check, at least at the beginning…and slowly ramp it up later as she gets used to you.
Many good-girls have been “turned out” into sluts by skilled players who knew not to “jump the gun” with asshole game.
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“If you read that she is a slut, turn up the asshole game to 10.”
Oh, there are also other approaches. If the girl is a player, used to breaking hearts, it’s good to come on hot and strong with hints of being a sugar daddy.
This is a lure in your web.
She’ll think she’s closing in for the kill.
Then you slowly weave your silk around her, thread by thread, without her even noticing.
Then the player is played.
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Hottest chick I banged in the college era, intro went like this: at a party, my friend borrowed my key ring to open a bottle. I kind of forgot about it for a while, but later, by then quite drunk, I noticed. I went and found him, grabbed him by the collar, threw him into the wall and said, like I meant it, “Gimme my fucking keys or I’ll fucking kill you.” I was mostly just messing w/ him, but also wasted and a little out of control. He gave them to me and I left. I didn’t look at the two chicks he was talking to, one of whom was super hot. Didn’t even notice them (consciously, anyway, it’s possible the exaggerated dominance display was a subconscious reaction to the hottness). Hottie was obsessed w/ me after that, one of the easiest lays ever. Clearly I missed my calling as a thug.
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I think I already mentioned that I wouldn’t sleep with another woman no matter how arousing I found her image.
But would you munch some rug to impress that alpha you’ve been chasing for the past three years?
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For instance I’m very paternal, and all my girlfriends eventually call me Daddy. They come to internalize the notion, deep down in their core. And yet I very much use jerky behavior regularly to maintain sexual tension.
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I think that the “Daddy” aspect is one aspect of your game and the “asshole” another.” When you get them to call you daddy my guess is that they’re internalizing your nurturing aspects not your assholish ones. In sum I think being a “daddy” and being an “asshole” are not exclusive, and in fact work great together, but they aren’t the same thing. Furthermore I think it is the nurturing “daddy” game that appeals to Sniper, not the asshole part of game.
I guess in my original post I should have put “primarily” wants to be nurtured.
Most girls want both. My guess is that sniper just wants more nurture and less asshole.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Hetero women who display lesbian acts for pure attention-grabbing is different from women sleeping with other women because they themselves want it, after seeing lesbian/softcore porn.
I think I already mentioned that I wouldn’t sleep with another woman no matter how arousing I found her image. — Sniper
Yeah, like I said, women munch rug to impress alpha men, and thus, increase their desireability status within the herd of other women.
They don’t do it because they like the smell of fish and the taste of chicken. They do it for other reasons than that, which is what I wuz saying, toots! Well, the hottie lipstick lesbians do it for that reason. The butches do it because they’ve got big, manly clitorises.
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D’oh!
Tag error! Tag error!
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@Jack Burton
Nice, let the lion out. Works every time.
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@Sniper
No, not clearance, man. Oh well 🙂
Ok time for me to tune out… interesting how they’re psychoanalyzing you now hehe.
P.S. Your post about the right age to turn down the Lolita acting is interesting… too tired to comment over there but that was exactly what I started wondering about (when does it start to look silly… I’m sure some guys out there think Betsey Johnson is a crazy cat lady type)
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I take back all the nice things I said about you.
Girls do want both beta and alpha qualities. I’ve been pushing the idea of a hybrid for some time now. Since I’m a hybrid myself, I have known both assholes and “nice” guys. Both have scored. Depends on where I’m at in life. I think most girls are like this.
Maurice–
save your pity for those who are more in need of it my friend, but the thought is appreciated.
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“If a beta who doesn’t know what he’s doing tries too hard to act like an asshole, he’ll just come off as a bitter tool. A steel fist needs a velvet glove.”
–well said Sparks
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I take back all the nice things I said about you.
Girls do want both beta and alpha qualities. I’ve been pushing the idea of a hybrid for some time now. Since I’m a hybrid myself, I have known both assholes and “nice” guys. Both have scored. Depends on where I’m at in life. I think most girls are like this.
Maurice–
save your pity for those who are more in need of it my friend, but the thought is appreciated.
Men want female alpha qualities too, duh. The difference is that men don’t attempt to completely destroy those women who don’t measure up, while women seem to take a deep resentment at those men who are beneath their standards.
As a society, this has deep implications which you women are willfully ignoring.
Are you really that stupid, or are you just pretending to be stupid again?
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What do you mean by female alpha qualities.
-V
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anoukange said:
You know what would really prove all those players who think you are trash wrong?
A full frontal nudity shot!
You’ve already gone down to your panties… go all the way!
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Men want female alpha qualities too, duh. The difference is that men don’t attempt to completely destroy those women who don’t measure up, while women seem to take a deep resentment at those men who are beneath their standards. – Fedrz
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Fed, how did you come to this conclusion — since this is profoundly, PROFOUNDLY TRUE!!!
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fedrz-
I think it’s more of an issue if someone lied to convey something. Come at me as a “loser” and own it. If we connect, we connect and I can get past quite a lot if a guy makes me feel a certain way. I’m not afraid of sculpting by assisting in development. Nurturing is all that is needed. I have an issue with lying. Stop branding me a woman who keeps a checklist. Not the case. But not measuring up will get pulled if the scales tip too far into bullshit against me.
See: ISFP and their realtionship with values.
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Hey comment whatever-
don’t blame me if you have a stick up your conservative ass. don’t be so afraid of the female form. everything was done in taste, you just have none.
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She is a Good Woman, dammit! She has ONLY had 6 cocks in her and she is freaking old! So she fucked a known player on a bus. Big deal! She hasn’t even been in a gangbang not once, ever!
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on May 7, 2010 at 12:36 am anoukange
fedrz-
I think it’s more of an issue if someone lied to convey something. Come at me as a “loser” and own it. If we connect, we connect and I can get past quite a lot if a guy makes me feel a certain way. I’m not afraid of sculpting by assisting in development. Nurturing is all that is needed. I have an issue with lying. Stop branding me a woman who keeps a checklist. Not the case. But not measuring up will get pulled if the scales tip too far into bullshit against me.
See: ISFP and their realtionship with values
I mean this in a very serious way… but, what the fuck should a guy care about any relationship standards with a woman? This seems counterproductive since all women declare that men must treat them like princesses, and then turn around and treat them like knaves they don’t want to fuck.
At least if you are a knave off the bat… you’ve got a chance of wetting your dick in the bushes outside the tavern… but noticeable in the transaction, is that the woman isn’t DRAGGED there, like all the Bible Bangers want her to be dragged there.
Pfft!
I care so very little.
So very, very little.
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fedrz-
You still haven’t answered my question.
What are female alpha characteristics?
Thanks
V
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fedrz-
on a scale of 1-10, how bitter are you? Shouldn’t have let it get that far for you ferdz, you should have taken time off to the side to prevent reaching that point. How can someone who is bitter teach me anything? If the source of the juice produces sour juice, I’m not interested in the crop. I have my sixties through my eighties to be bitter and numbing it with rusty nails and manhattans.
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sorry to misspell your name there-
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fedrz-
on a scale of 1-10, how bitter are you? Shouldn’t have let it get that far for you ferdz, you should have taken time off to the side to prevent reaching that point. How can someone who is bitter teach me anything? If the source of the juice produces sour juice, I’m not interested in the crop. I have my sixties through my eighties to be bitter and numbing it with rusty nails and manhattans.
What a great way to attempt to shame someone instead of directly dealing with the issues presented.
Is it any wonder that men don’t take women seriously? By law, I have to take this as serious as my word, which it obviously isn’t in real life.
Which is why I don’t take anything chicks say seriously. In fact, I discredit it by a factor of three just to be safe!
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shame you? no. It is your pre-set mind frame that disallows dialog, so if a guy (or girl) is past a certain point, I have to excuse them from influencing my life. I understand the issue is huge and being overwhelmed can cause one to go into a state of hopelessness, but I can’t join you is all.
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A question for Roissy and everyone else:
Asian chicks. They seem to be more programmed for sniffing out Beta Providers and more prone to selecting them. I’d guess it’s a cultural thing. My suspicion after experience is that their threshold barrier is just higher; once you top it, they fuck like minks in heat and like bad boys just as much. But they don’t tend to trip up on easy game.
In some ways, their cultural attitudes resemble traditional North American values, or the values of religious chicks.
They can be harder to actually get into bed. It may be a ruse that both the PUA and the woman know about, but Asian womens’ sexual defences seem to be higher than white women. And Asian women tend to look at white women as careless, brainless sluts.
As a rule.
What do people think?
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fedrz-
You still haven’t answered my question.
What are female alpha characteristics?
Thanks
V
What do you want from me, V?
Do you not know? Have you lived on this planet for decades and not known what girls would get porked before you, or was it all just coming down the pipe freehand for you?
Why do I suspect you know the score, and are merely debating your personal results?
Why do men have to answer’s women’s bullshit questions? Aren’t men the prize who bring something more than hairy genitals and barbarically animalistic desires?
What do you bring to the party except for tits and ass?
Really?
As it sits, all I see is that you are poor, talking to someone like me who isn’t poor, and you are trying to convince me to spend my money in a way you would like, rather than a way I would like.
Viva la singlehood. You broads shouldn’t be able to get your grubby hands on my money, sorry. You didn’t work for it all!!!!!!!!!!
Now, get the fuck off my island!
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Men want female alpha qualities too, duh. The difference is that men don’t attempt to completely destroy those women who don’t measure up, while women seem to take a deep resentment at those men who are beneath their standards. – Fedrz
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This also explains why AMERIKWAN women getted so vicious and scummy towards guys who approaches and attempts mere conversation that they find “beneath their standards”.
As if fat-assed AmeriKwan women are any catch themselves – LMFAO.
Talk about pricing yourselves out of the sexual marketplace 🙂
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It’s just pathetic how many men fell trap to the pedophilia campaign in Central America.
Yeah, they were mean, but you were stupid!
I wasn’t talking to strangers on my beach!
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Fedrz: “…men don’t attempt to completely destroy those women who don’t measure up, while women seem to take a deep resentment at those men who are beneath their standards.”
Fedrz understates it. Women hate these guys. They have contempt for them. These men don’t even get basic human respect from women.
Women use betas. They gripe about them. They smile at them and manipulate them. But they never, ever stop dreaming of Alphas even when their beta is massaging their feet.
I cringe when I see these amoral creatures doing it day in and day out without remorse or the slightest twinge of guilt.
I’ve heard women tear strips off of men – and the ultimate reason is that the men are weak. Period. Assholes get a free ride.
These amoral vipers pay lip service to lots of ideals, and have illusions of overt moral superiority. But they’re just self-delusional vampires to everyone but alphas.
Women can justify anything in the gerbil wheel of rationalization that they call a moral sense. it’s taken a decade, but I’ve realized this: without exception, women are absolutely amoral monsters. They mask vicious self-interest so well, it masquerades as moral. But there’s no decency in them.
The only reason they hate game: it gives otherwise Beta penises access to their pussies. They resent Lesser Males getting to them.
Men are less complex and more direct in their amoral behaviour. And no one lies like a woman. Men do it, but it’s half-hearted. Women lie so easily it’s like breathing.
Until I started paying attention to what they actually say and do, I used to feel guilty about gaming women.
I never feel guilty any more.
Game is its own justification in this environment.
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Fedrz.
I’m not asking to shit test you, I’m not trying to insult you. Please show me the courtesy I show you. Thanks.
I’ll clarify my question since you seem to have not understood what I was asking.
By alpha female characteristics, do you mean something other than looks?
-V
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don’t attempt to completely destroy those women who don’t measure up, while women seem to take a deep resentment at those men who are beneath their standards. – Fedrz
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What do you call the continuous unceasing bashing of “war pigs”, “butterfaces”, and women lacking in feminine characteristics. Not even mentioning your continued hostility to the women who post here?
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To elaborate:
I was under the impression that you valued a woman cheifly for her looks and that was what made her Alpha, or not. My question was clarifying if by Alpha you mean some other, yet undefined characteristic.
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How Women Hate Men That Love Them
Woman: 27, a solid 7, an 8 if she wears her black dress. Half Asian, half white. Marketing for a big retailer. BA, MA. Easily gamed: slept with me on 3rd date.
Seems sweet. Charming. Innocent. Completely trustworthy, open, traditional but sensible, talkative but slightly reserved. A real charmer. Mom would be hugely impressed.
Situation: Second time sleeping with me. In my bed, afternoon, after particularly aggressive sex. She spent hours screaming during pounding. We barely speak except after sex.
Her situation: She has a wonderful, devoted BF of 3 years. He has good job. Lots of friends. Charming. I’ve met him once. Decent guy. About as good looking as me. Nothing to dislike. Everything to write home about. Pretty good in bed, to hear it. Adventurous. Travels. Her friends like him.
Random comments she’s made after sex, during intimate moments:
“(bf) is always saying stupid things around my friends.”
“(bf) can be such a loser sometimes.”
“(bf’s friend) is autistic. I don’t know why (bf) hangs out with him.”
“”(bf) always tries to cook for me, but I don’t have the heart to tell him his cooking is shit. Last time he spent two hours making some gross rubbery chicken. I steam clothing, not meat.”
I’ve spent myself inside her all afternoon, her aura of Nice Ass is wearing off. I feel a new old emotion rising: Contempt.
Me, staring into her eyes (hand withdraws carefully from ass), expression of mild concern, slight discomfort,
“He’s a pretty good guy.” Long pause. Look off in distance. “He tries more than most guys do. A lot of girls would love to have him in their lives. I feel bad. He’s a good guy.”
I point out
– he never did anything wrong
– pays for everything
– is kind and considerate and decent
– good to her in every way
– has called twice in the 4 hours she’s been in my apartment.
Mild discomfort. I suspect she disliked being judged. She shows a sudden and growing display of guilt. Shockingly genuine, comes from nowhere. I give her the benefit of the doubt for now.
“I know, Yeah, ” distracted look, sigh, “I guess I like him.”
Test.
(I put hand back, trace line up her inner thigh. Intake of breath):
“I feel bad. But there’s just something missing. Sometimes.”
(As I’m tracing the curve of her ass)
“He never considers my feelings.
(hand on her pussy)
“I wish he’d listen to me more.”
(In pussy)
Me: “I know what you mean.”
If this guy listens to her more, buys her anything else, massages her feet ever again, cooks for her or arranges a dinner party for her social group even once more, she’ll be exhausted the day she marries him because she’ll have stayed up for the entire night before being pounded by me or another guy like me.
How – I ask you – how am I ever supposed to trust any woman again?
The Female Morality Rationalization Hamster Wheel spins so fast, if they wired it up to the grid, we could solve the green energy problem.
Why are we supposed to respect these brilliant but foul creatures anywhere outside the bedroom again? Can we honestly trust these things at work? I just can’t look at women the way I did when I was 25. They were baffling but decent. I understand them now, but they’re amoral monsters.
Absolutely amoral. Amoral.
(sigh)
But nice ass.
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Fedrz.
I’m not asking to shit test you, I’m not trying to insult you. Please show me the courtesy I show you. Thanks.
I’ll clarify my question since you seem to have not understood what I was asking.
By alpha female characteristics, do you mean something other than looks?
-V
I was talking about things women actually have to offer men… what makes you think that mere “looks” are part of that?
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I say Sniper is lying.
Most of the time couples are made with a surprising equilibrium : a very feminine woman (like her) will bond with a very masculine man, and vice-versa.
“Sex and Character” Otto Weininger
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What do you call the continuous unceasing bashing of “war pigs”, “butterfaces”, and women lacking in feminine characteristics. Not even mentioning your continued hostility to the women who post here? – Vasafaxa
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Vasa,
I think the difference that fedrz meant was how men treat women that they are already in a relationship with — compared to how women treat men that they in relationships with.
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Hypergamy is the root of all relationship evil.
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“The key to understanding Sniper’s preferences/reasoning is knowing that she’s an INTJ – the rarest of all 16 types on the Myers Briggs for females.”
INTJ —
Careers: Computer Programming, Natural Science, Engineering, Management, Entrepreneurship, Law, Library Science
So she’s one of the geeks.
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“Most of the time couples are made with a surprising equilibrium : a very feminine woman (like her) will bond with a very masculine man, and vice-versa.”
I suspect her whole lolita get-up is compensation for having a very unfeminine personality, so what she’s saying may very well be true. INTJ, man.
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You have to fuckin be kidding me. This ugly piece of garbage is a so called “Super Model”?
This
is
dog meat.
Most of these models of any race are absurdly overrated. Most are ugly freaks.
As for some women liking jerks, who cares. Never change for a woman, before or after meeting her.
Don’t be cute, don’t be nice. Don’t be a jerk, don’t be an asshole.
Be the same with her or without her. If you feel yourself changing in her presence to appeal to her in any way, stop.
[editor: if being the same with women as you are without them isn’t working, then it’s a good idea to change what you’re doing.]
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vasafaxa
On good looking black girls. I think that white guys just have a higher standard for black girls than they do for white girls so there version of a black 9 is actually a black 15.
That’s because for most White men, black females simply don’t show up on the “girl radar”.
Black males on the other hand are OBSESSED with White women. EVERY black male who posts on roissy or who connects with the PUA world is obsessed with White women. There are no exceptions.
White men on the other hand dismiss black females as a category for RACIAL reasons even if she is somewhat better looking than the average White woman.
White women are at the top of the female hierarchy of sexually desired women even if they aren’t particularly attractive.
They are the top target of rapist, PUAs, good guys, creeps, jerks, beta herbs, even fags who want to hang around the cute chicks.
That aint gonna change anytime soon.
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Larger issue a hand that expands outside of the tightly wound world of Roissy/game/asshole game:
Justice. If a battle is waged against a type of behavior, it can be about discouraging that behavior by inconveniencing the person guilty of that behavior. For instance, if a guy who played asshole game has to watch his back (literally) after committing such behavior then it may prove to be not worth it in the future. Even if it retards just a bit, it is still a battle won. If one is gong to play asshole game, they had better be able to back it up with alpha qualities such as skill, talent, success, brute etc. If not, they are posing and that is an even higher offense.
Also note: guys with skinny necks shouldn’t play asshole game, it comes off as weird, considering. Assholes can be sexy, see: Sean Penn, but he as earned it and looks as though he could pound the shit out of anyone that challenged him. Roissy, it could be irresponsible to tell little nerdy types to be assholes, they may get their asses kicked as result. My ex could be a bit of an asshole, is quite masculine, and had a rough edge that was sexy… but then again, he’s 6’4″ and built like a hockey player.
In summary: if you can’t physically back up asshole game, don’t do it.
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Plank= bitter bastard. Shame so many have gotten picked off. Why not just quit life so the rest of us can spread out more and stretch our legs?
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In the interests of furthering the cause of what a clever commenter here calls “reverse Leninism” I point again to my recent blog post, Meet Your Douchebag Dreamboat! , in which I describe my plan for helping today’s on-the-go young women meet REALLY exciting men — ex-cons! — at organized just-released-from-prison parties. I think there is room for fun and profit here for the right entrepeneur.
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anoukange: you’re deluding yourself. It isn’t about justice, it’s about revenge. How dare that beta pretend to be an alpha? Why, it’s cosmically…so…wrong. It messes with the natural order of things.
Justice? Nah. Revenge. Punishment.
True Justice has the quality of being BLIND.
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If your psychopathy (a metric of pyschotic behavior) is below that of a woman, she will view you as a chump to exploit. If it is higher (like income, height, social status and IQ), she will be more attracted to you. The woman who likes an evil man does so because she’s quite evil herself.
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JB-
nope. It’s about justice, but thanks for your thoughts. Revenge would be to cut the nut sack off, not kick it hard.
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JB
How dare that beta pretend to be an alpha?
Betas trying to be alphas are just like ugly chicks/average girls loading on the make up, false eyelashes, high heel shoes, push up bras, breast implants, blond hair dye, extensions, lying about their age etc etc etc.
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anoukange, you had repeated sex with an Iranian chimpanzee and then went spastic when that creature kicked you to the curb.
With all due respect, you are a kook.
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Does Otto Weininger take hypergamy into account?
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@Doug1 — have you seen the new reports of how Neanderthals and Sapiens (except those sapiens who remained in Africa) interbred, and a few Neanderthal genes are still around? It’s the big science news this month.
Roissy sez in an editor’s comment above: “gina arousal is a prerequisite for any sexual activity with a man they do choose to sleep with.” So what about all those chicks married and sprogging with betas — I specifically mean the chicks who could so obviously do better, such as the one I photographed (which you can see on my blog)? Everyone knows that a lot of rather attractive women are married to the most abject betas and having babies with them — that strongly implies a lot of sex because getting pregnant is in fact a rather difficult thing to do — so the inescapable conclusion is that these married-to-beta chicks are ginally aroused.
Let’s solve this puzzle together. For a start we must dispense with the mindless repetition of “women HATE HATE HATE betas.” They obviously do NOT, since so many of them marry and have enough sex with betas to produce most of the babies we see. The statement needs to be qualified to reflect empirical reality and not bloggyfun ideology.
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Assholes can be sexy, see: Sean Penn, but he as earned it and looks as though he could pound the shit out of anyone that challenged him
Sean Penn is an ugly little rat faced actor wimp who would pee his pants if he ever had to fight someone other than a female or a wimpy homosexual celebrity photographer.
You women like the image of the bad boy and the wimpy douchebags who play the part.
Assholes = wimpy phonies who get real nice and civilized when called out by the kind of men who aren’t going to put up with their foolishness.
Assholes are created by and for women. Gives ’em something else to bitch about.
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@xsplat–
“I really have no clue where you get this idea that they go for thugs. Outside of course such societies (getto and near-criminal classes) where being a thug actually give high status, I have never seen it or heard of it.”
I have a buddy who is an Odin’s Warrior- the badass Australian Biker gang, the only other gang the Hells’s Angels respect. He tells me they would routinely get stunning, model quality women hanging out with them and trying to ingratiate themselves with gang members. A lot of these girls ended up working as strippers and hookers for the gang’s various strip clubs they operated. Many of these women were in fact professional models. They were attracted to the danger and bad boy mystique of this gang. Hell’s Angels members will often tell you the same thing.
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Actually the chick-with-beta-hubby I photographed, mentioned above, doesn’t look so hot in the photo; she has her back turned, has a few baby-bearing pounds round the butt, horribly dressed and all; but I observed her from all round for several minutes and she was really quite pretty. It was one of the reasons I went to the considerable effort of getting the pic.
The husband was actually a handsome lil’ fella too — the kids could turn out to be stunners.
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Willard,
I don’t want to speak for all white guys, but race is a strong factor in the attractiveness formula for me. The Black-White conversion goes 9->9; 8->7; 7,6,5…->5,4,3… (so a black chick who was a cute 7 to a black guy would be a plain 5 to me, but Naomi Campbell looks just as good to me as to anybody else). The Asian-White conversion goes the other way: add 1 point across the board. Mixed-race girls are as attractive as the more attractive of the two races.
anoukange,
Exactly right about assholes. The reason women like assholes is that it is an evolutionary shortcut — an asshole’s insensitivity to social standards and disregard for other people’s feelings superficially resembles the truly alpha traits of having the strength to stand up to social pressure when it is the right thing to do and the self-confidence not to be manipulated by shit tests. (Not that assholes aren’t alpha by Roissy’s definition, but when I say “truly alpha” I refer to traits which will remain alpha forever, while assholes get dumped sooner or later once the woman sees that they really are assholes). Women whose responses are triggered by asshole behavior have an advantage in societies where real assholes get the crap beaten out of them, because they’re quicker to grab the true alphas, but in the USA today where there is no significant social pressure discouraging assholes this response is maladaptive because they are many more asshole men about.
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Willard–
two thing: Pissed after nasty email was sent to a friend mine and I didn’t have sex with him after that. The issue that I’m fighting for here happened and there was no sex after. The chronological may help to clear up some of the misconceptions here.
Sean Penn is not a fake asshole. Dude (however foolishly) took a shot gun out on foot and walked through shit down in New Orleans as part of a rescue method. I don’t agree with his extreme beliefs but he has true alpha balls. Also, you may want to check out the Sundance channel’s episode of “Iconoclasts” with Penn and the author Jon Krakauer, good piece. As far as actors go, De Niro had it as well, so did Jack, and Pacino. It’s the likes of Pitt and Clooney that don’t have it. They’re funny as all hell but I don’t see them taking any swings. Maybe Clooney but Pitt, no way. Oh, and it doesn’t matter what Penn looks like, that’s irreverent to the issue of brute/bad ass/ backing it up, etc. In fact rough looks can even help in this matter if anything.
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*irrelevant to the issue
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Ostro–
You are correct in saying that women do not hate, hate, hate betas. Betas have their pluses for sure. Hence my repeated push for hybrids. It’s the ultimate path/evolution.
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Harvey Keitel and Charles Bronson are the only actors in living memory who were badass. All the rest of them are twinks.
Especially ones who play tough-guy roles.
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Tyrone,
Too right. It’s not just the bad boy thing, a chick who will take a ride on your motorcycle, with her arms wrapped around you while there is a powerful vibrator between her legs, is so primed for sex that you need very little game to score (just enough to avoid gross blunders).
This is why riding motorcycles would be favored by evolution despite being ridiculously dangerous.
If you go back more than 100 years, being a good horseman had exactly the same advantage for exactly the same reason. Cavaliers were the bad boys back in the day.
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I’ll never forget my first exposure to asshole game in high school.
I was hanging with a group between classes. A pretty girl asked a bad boy a question. He rolled his eyes and said “Oh, eat me!” with a disgusted look on his face. It was an over the top, uncalled for insult.
Her face swooned with attraction and she probably had to change her panties.
Although it made a strong impression on me, my American beta social programming was too ingrained at that point for me to make use of it.
I’ve since learned. I don’t say things like that (not my style) but I just don’t care what women think anymore. I do what I want. They find this attractive.
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“Betas trying to be alphas are just like ugly chicks/average girls loading on the make up, false eyelashes, high heel shoes, push up bras, breast implants, blond hair dye, extensions, lying about their age etc etc etc.”
You know why chicks do that, Willard?
Umm, because at least some of the time IT WORKS.
BTW, there are some hot dark-skinned women in the Dominican, working the better resorts. African-black skin tone + European features.
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“Revenge would be to cut the nut sack off, not kick it hard.”
If it’s not revenge and punishment, it’s pleasure and sadism.
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PA-
I’ll give you Charles, definitively, but Harvey? He reminds me of a somewhat tougher version of Ed Harris. Jack Nicholson had always done what he felt like. He is an alpha asshole who could back it up in real life. You’ve got to give me Jack and I’ll give back Pacino. He sure as shit was hot in his heyday though. The true ‘actor’ was Clint Eastwood. He is said to be very soft (in a wiseman kind of way) in real life.
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JB-
…..oooooorrrrrr, it could be just justice.
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“…..oooooorrrrrr, it could be just justice.”
Or it could JUST be ICE.
Oh, snap…he shoots, he scores.
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@xsplat
It seems obvious to me that you have not noticed a gender difference in regards to one gender sucking up to the other. Men are very attracted to women who fawn. Women aren’t.
I think a good 90% of the nonsense each sex has about how attraction works for the other is due to misapplication of the golden rule. Feminism’s BS precept of sameness has created a near total information blackout on what each side really finds attractive. Lacking real information, each side consciously or subconsciously thinks about what makes people attractive to them and tries to offer that.
So you end up with women “flirting” by bragging about their educational and career accomplishments and exciting high-danger hobbies, offering to teach men something (often masculine) they are experts at, etc. They have no idea this makes their personality as unattractive to men as growing a dick would make their bodies. Just because you like it on me, doesn’t mean I want the same from you. Maybe the most comical is the otherwise feminine woman who wants to show you her biceps to prove she is “in shape”.
Likewise you end up with men promising respect, undying kindness, devotion, offering themselves for instruction, etc. I’m trying to think of a form of beta behavior that doesn’t fit this, but I’m drawing a blank.
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“Oh, snap…he shoots, he scores.”
premature there JB….that was no “swish”, it rolled around the edge of the basket and never went in.
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Or if it’s hockey you’re playing, your skate was in the crease when you took your shot. Therefore the shot doesn’t count.
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@anoukange
premature there JB….that was no “swish”, it rolled around the edge of the basket and never went in.
I didn’t read all of the comments, so I’m struggling with the context. Is this about you and Roosh on the south american bus, or something different?
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yoda
“If your psychopathy (a metric of pyschotic behavior) is below that of a woman, she will view you as a chump to exploit. If it is higher (like income, height, social status and IQ), she will be more attracted to you. The woman who likes an evil man does so because she’s quite evil herself.”
P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N
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OstroNova
“married to the most abject betas and having babies with them”
P-R-O-V-I-D-E-R B-E-T-A-S are a better option than spinsterhood. Women dont love men. Fags love men.
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Dalrock–
It’s about guessing at motive. JB in his own bitterness has guessed me to act in revenge and I am acting in serving justice if at all possible. Revenge would have taken shape in another form.
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Dalrock–
Very good insight.
I’ve long realized the same thing. It’s clearly true, and actually quite obvious — once you either struggle out of the prevailing American feminist/chivalric thought frame, or you open mindedly hear someone else point it out to you.
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Dalrock–
Except I think women are less clouded by this process in knowing what men are most attracted to. Feminism has not made makeup and sexy clothes sales go down. It has induced men to try ever harder to win the girl they want by being a good guy, praising her, doing lots of things for her before she’s done anything for him, and so on.
One simple but broad consequences thing just getting it guys can keep in mind: they should be macho rather than chivalric.
That can be suave macho or caveman macho or best some blend, but it should be macho.
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“premature there JB….that was no “swish”, it rolled around the edge of the basket and never went in.”
And they say women have no sense of humor.
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your skate was in the crease when you took your shot. Therefore the shot doesn’t count.
If I had a dollar for every time I heard that… er, I mean that has never happened to me!
But seriously, it does count.
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In this particular game, those are the only shots that DO COUNT.
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@anoukange
Notwithstanding the fact that you’re a woman, and that therefore very little of what you say can be taken seriously, can you give a definition of this ‘hybrid’ concept of yours in 50 words or less?
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Dalrock-
Buffalo Sabres. Skate in crease. Or they just choke, tough call.
JB-
That WAS my sense of humor response.
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My money says that the biker guys with the hot chicks were high up in the hierarchy.
When I say that I don’t see girls going for thugs, first must be the caveat that women are more a-moral than men.
It’s not the thuggishness, exactly, that they go for. It’s just that thuggishness doesn’t much bother them. It’s the display of social dominance, the risk taking, and the living by your own rules and damn the system attitude that is sexy.
Show me a biker without those three qualities who is dating a model.
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JB
Funny you should mention that. I’ve decided my next big ticket purchase will be an enduro style motorocycle, rather than a large gold ring. Taking a first on an off road excursion to picnick in the woods on should push the right buttons.
Still thinking on that ring though.
Oh – got the bachelor pad setup today.
A trap in all things, gentlemen, in all things lay a trap.
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Woops – that was Polymath I meant to quote, above. The two of you while having different styles do lump together into the thoughtful intelligent genteel breed. Maybe JB a bit less genteel.
Ya, mis-application of the golden rule – what a great way to think about beta-hood! It’s simply a result of not enough experience with women to understand what the fuck it is that they want. So we give them what we would want.
Until we learn better.
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“Harvey Keitel and Charles Bronson are the only actors in living memory who were badass. All the rest of them are twinks.
Especially ones who play tough-guy roles.”
Gene Hackman is a badass.
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@xsplat
Funny you should mention that. I’ve decided my next big ticket purchase will be an enduro style motorocycle, rather than a large gold ring. Taking a first on an off road excursion to picnick in the woods on should push the right buttons.
A good power boat will do the same trick. I bought an old bass boat with a big outboard several years back. My wife came along at first just to be nice. Power, vibration, speed, noise, me literally as captain of the ship; it changed our marriage.
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@anoukange
Dalrock-
Buffalo Sabres. Skate in crease. Or they just choke, tough call.
Not a tough call at all. I’d far rather shoot with my skate in the crease than choke.
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Gene Hackman was great as Popeye Doyle.
Another badass: Don Knotts. Pure alpha.
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Hackman is probably my favourite actor, great at playing authority figures and the epitome of the badass older guy. even though he’s got 2 academy awards i reckon he’s been one of Hollywood’s most underrated, always top peformer even when starring in pictures with the likes of Eastwood, Freeman, Denzel, Willsmith, cruise, travolta etc.
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“It’s not like that. We are very attracted to women who dote, who love unreservedly, who actually worship us. Who adore us. It’s incredibly endearing.”
And if she’s an 8 or above, well, those are the ones that rise above passing fancy.
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Dalrock–
ha, ha,….I’m actually referencing the Sabres losing the Stanley cup some years back due to the opposing team making a final score on them. The shooter for the other team shot with his skate in the goal keeper’s crease and the team stormed the ice before they could review it. Buffalo cried foul. No rule existed at the time against it but one does now I believe. I give Buffalo a hard time because they have a tendency top choke once they get to the big play off in any sport.
In other words (as related to thread): If the shot is “tainted” by having a foot in the crease when the shot is taken (a.k.a., biased pre-set views in this case) then the goal doesn’t count. It’s cheating.
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“Plank
You’ve already gone down to your panties… go all the way!
She is a Good Woman, dammit! She has ONLY had 6 cocks in her and she is freaking old! So she fucked a known player on a bus. Big deal! She hasn’t even been in a gangbang not once, ever!”
And in doing so inadvertently proves correct the assertion that game works best on good girls.
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The point, breeze, is that she is not a good girl. The standards have fallen so much that even obviously bad women can fool themselves into thinking they are ‘good girls’, and will on occasion deride ‘sluts’. The irony!
Because the standard of slutdom is 10 cocks, and a leaked amatuer porn video, the girl who has *only* had 6 cocks and a couple of underwear self portraits on the net thinks she is above it all.
Basically they can justify everything they have ever done, no matter how slutty or dumb – because there is always someone worse. A woman is always ‘good’ in her own mind.
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Libby Libby Libby:
Assholes are created by and for women. Gives ‘em something else to bitch about.
A lot of truth to that.
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Creampie Squaw:
The true ‘actor’ was Clint Eastwood. He is said to be very soft (in a wiseman kind of way) in real life.
Are you talking shit about Eastwood? Just because he isn’t a douche bag?? I thought his portrayal of Willard Libby in Gran Torino was Oscar worthy.
Please visit Miami so I can kick you in your cunt.
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Tupac-
No I was saying he is an amazing actor. The point is held within him NOT being a douche bag.
Your name for me and wanting to kick me in my cunt is very cruel. I am human being, please try to take that into consideration when addressing me. Your comment is hurtful and uncalled for considering it is YOU that misinterpreted my comment.
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anouk
haven’t you learned that to most men a woman who isn’t fucking or feeding them OR who they do not actively want to fuck is NOT a fully fledged human being?
men are killers–just notating your bare existence as a human doesn’t imbue you with any value. in another circumstance, like say, a war– any of these men would rape you and slit your throat. that’s how much you being “human” matters
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Plank-
In today’s day and age (you know, the one I’m alive in) I’m not a bad girl either. I am among the gray I would suppose. With all that I have access to, I am very disciplined. With believing that there is no other life after this one and we only get a hundred years if we’re lucky, I explore, inquire and can be adventurous. The irony is that I would never cheat on my man and I would love him right, cook his meals and keep a clean and inspired home for him to come home to. The other irony is that I know of women who are married and have only had one or two partners in their past and are fucking another man on the side and neglecting their homemaker duties. There is no absolute formula or structure to judge by.
Things are never what they seem. That’s why a good heart should be valued. If her heart can’t handle you cheating on her, then she most likely won’t cheat on you. Her emotional make-up is what makes her feminine.
The female form is a beautiful. If I were a fat ass I would not post pics of myself. My body is an achievement of good genes and good health. I am in the same shape of most mid-twenty year-olds. It is due to the character traits such as discipline and strong will that I have a good body.
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oh shit, yo pac, i’m in miami tuesday and wednesday, holler at your fuckin BOY!
i just found out they closed crobar miami like four years ago. dagger! i think mansion is off-limits for me but they just let snookie into cameo so i should be straight there, maybe louis too.
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dana-
then it is up to women to be human to them and to each other as fellow women. It is our beauty of tenderness and compassion that must be harnessed and given.
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Plank–
you need to update your outlook to the present and then determine a scale. Looking to the past is wonderful but living in it is pointless and silly.
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I just looked her up, this girl is very good looking, elegant and sophisticated. Like a mini Liya Kebede (the black Estee Lauder model). Wow.
http://www.google.com/images?q=jourdan+dunn&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=_23lS5XSMsP58AbA54SHCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQsAQwAA
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anouk
as long as marriage is destroyed women cannot have true friendships because the knowledge you could be out on the market again at any moment renders your entire sex an enemy. look at the sorts of almost romantic friendships women of the 1800s, secure in their marriages and respected roles as matrons were able to form–never again
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dana,
I refuse. I will not compete, I place a higher value on friendship, but I see what you’re saying. Somehow, someway I have lived in a bubble of sorts and I’m trying to understand how I did this. I have not been wrecked by all of this. If the environment is lacking in the good things that support good character and friendships among women, then we must bring them back regardless. We must plant them again. If in vain, then there is no loss, because not planting won’t even allow for the chance of success.
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dana
dana to anouk
haven’t you learned that to most men a woman who isn’t fucking or feeding them OR who they do not actively want to fuck is NOT a fully fledged human being?
men are killers–just notating your bare existence as a human doesn’t imbue you with any value. in another circumstance, like say, a war– any of these men would rape you and slit your throat. that’s how much you being “human” matters
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!
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a woman “refuses” reality
film at 11
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I point out that a woman is always able to justify her bad behaviour by comparing themselves to the worst, rather than aspire to the better and you take this as an opportunity to bring up that you hang around adulteresses and in comparison, you’re not so bad – no really. Thank you for proving my point.
And no, I won’t be “updating my outlook” (read: lowering my expectations) just so women like you can have the luxury of not being held to a higher standard. There are still some good women. As long as women like you don’t breed (TICK TOCK TICK TOCK) and raise a new generation of like-minded women, it might just be okay yet.
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[…] Chateau: Chicks Dig Jerks: A Series Without End […]
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anouk:
No I was saying he is an amazing actor. The point is held within him NOT being a douche bag.
Your name for me and wanting to kick me in my cunt is very cruel. I am human being, please try to take that into consideration when addressing me.
Anouk, you are far too sensitive and beautiful for this modern world.
But remember: we are canoodling at the Chateau.
THERE BE NO SHELTER HERE
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Cannon:
Cool. But Mansion? Cameo? Wigga please. That aint my scene, man. Too rich for my blood. But if you have the dough for the covers and drinks, knock yourself out. It’s a playground. But remember what a commenter here once wisely said: “In Miami, you are surrounded by 9’s and 10’s, and you go home alone. In DC, you are surrounded by 6’s, 7’s and 8’s, but you are guaranteed a pull.”
Too bad Blue closed down. They were keeping it real for you house fanatics. Small, but lots of love for the real shit. Hardcore. Course, you had to deal with tons of HGH-addled fags with their discretionary income and their shining skin and bright-eye Gay Face. Is that what you like? Btw, Tuesdays are dead.
On any given Wednesday, you have a better chance of finding Tupac chilling at Tobacco Road. Warning: bring your surgical mask and gloves if you decide to travel to the wrong side of the tracks, Richie Rich. Like a Mexican who can handle the water, I’m inured to the Prole. But lily livered anglos will have a tough time of it. A Hazmat suit might be in order. You just might end up catching a bad case of the Morts.
On the other hand, we could dispense with the bullshit and keep it real:
GET SOME NIGGA!!!!!
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pac,
i’m actually staying with some Morts down there – is Tobacco Road kosher for that crew? if i can talk them into an adventure, i’m in for wednesday night. i’ll wear some fresh bapes to blend in.
manolo will be waiting in the car with a chopper in case you get any ideas about shower curtain rods and chainsaws. you won’t be flanking this anglo
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Plank–
“you hang around adulteresses and in comparison, you’re not so bad…”
–Huh? I do?
Dude, we obviously differ on values. Hold to your standards and judge me for my actions, I accept that. But you step outside of rationality when you say that I shouldn’t breed. I come from good genes. How are yours? What do you look like? How old are you? I’ve checked out my blood line, I want to know exactly what I’m working with. I may or may not breed– but for a creative type kid to excel and possibly become significant in the world in which he or she has skill in, they need to be nurtured in a different way. It’s just how it goes. I am not a flaming liberal and I apply different views when it is not me at the helm. If conservative advice is needed, I give it. I don’t push my way on everyone. I love your type of betas, you all can always use a dose of frisky in your square lives and yet you run from it.
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http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20100506/SHE0101/5060438
NO shit.
As to your MOAB “ProTip” (rolls eyes). Fuck IT!
I´m an asshole Or nice guys whenever I want to be one and still don´t want anything to do with a woman.
I value my freedom and (psychological) wellbeing much more than pussy.
Obviously unlike you fellas. Oh well. To each it´s own.
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Hey all,
I’m kinda curious where everyone here falls on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator.
This quiz appears to be pretty accurate:
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp
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I think i am totally falling for anoukange …..
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@JB
I’m kinda curious where everyone here falls on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator.
Some people are here:
http://defaultuserblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/myers-briggs-and-puasphere/
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@SDaedalus
I’m an INTJ
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Anoukange says, “The female form is a beautiful. If I were a fat ass I would not post pics of myself. My body is an achievement of good genes and good health. I am in the same shape of most mid-twenty year-olds. It is due to the character traits such as discipline and strong will that I have a good body.”
This is funny, but if I told you why, you wouldn’t believe me. You’ll figure it out when your discipline and strong will help you to survive something worse than a guy calling you fat.
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...Trying again.
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Nicole-
You have no idea what I have survived, just as I have no idea what you have. You need to stop commenting on things you don’t have enough detailed knowledge on. Meaning me. Now, knock it off. I don’t assume I know you or what you’ve been through in life so don’t assume you know much about me. I have no reason to be involved with any discussion with you unless it be a friendly one, ok? I have no bones with you. I hate lazy people who can’t put down the fucking burger and fries, that is all.
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Your facade is slipping, Anouk.
If my face looked like yours, I would still post my pics. I would be as publically bare faced as I am now, just as happy to be alive another day, and just as willing to be the face of Love to those who find be beautiful, and the Santa god’s most cold assassin to those who find me hideous.
I would not hide in order to coddle the masses already quite psychologically fattened up like lambs for the slaughter.
…especially not while posting here. If there is any place to be real, it is here.
Time has already caught you, despite your “discipline and strong will”. Your abstinence will not save you.
The skinny and the fat are buried in the same earth in the end. The worms eat us all, and the fat feed more of them, and statistically, later.
On the way there though, little stings my eyes more than hypocrisy and the lovers of deprivation and pointless sacrifice.
I very much enjoy eating burgers, nay steaks, in front of people like you.
A fillet mignon cradled in bacon, a liter of sweet beer, and a skinny girl to watch. Good times. 🙂
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nicole..
uh,…..ok. You have some baggage, sorry for that. Please leave me out of it, thanks. I do not wish to interact with you. Peace.
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Ladies, you both know perfectly well that the guys here dream dream dream of a female bitch-fight, as I type this they are probably imagining both of you mud-wrestling in a duel to the death. Do you really want to indulge their fantasies further in this regard?
PS if you do opt for the mud-wrestling, let me know where to buy a ticket. I should be able to make good money selling it on the internet.
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oh, and nicole….I eat whatever I want. Always have. I’m lucky in that sense. I’ve been petite and thin my whole life. I way the same now as I did in high school. I am small-boned, sorry for that, really I am. I love burgers. yum. No facade here, no hypocrisy. Well, no more than the average touch of hypocrisy that all carry in their lives. Good luck and cheers, really, I mean it. 🙂
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shit…that’s supposed to be *weigh*
SD- no worries cutie
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You wouldn’t post pics of yourself if you were fat, but *I’ve* got baggage?
LOL!
You can’t do the “I’m being harassed” victim bit against someone who wasn’t even trying to insult you. Just because I’m not kissing your ass or pulling punches, doesn’t mean I was trying to harm you. In fact, I was attempting to educate you…get you to ease up a bit about stuff that doesn’t matter.
You should really grow out of the pretty girl sensitivity where everybody has to treat you like you’re made of rice paper. You’re too old for it already. I’m not trying to get into your pants, and I don’t live in the U.S. and even when I did, I’m not from a culture in which skinny can cause the brain to go into a sheeple haze that doesn’t see wrinkles and flop.
Learn to be happy to still be breathing. It takes the edge off of everything else including someone online thousands of miles away telling you that you’re imperfect (like the rest of us).
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nicole…
with all respect due to you, as I have no issues with you at all, I cannot relate to you, ok? I just can’t– but I appreciate your efforts. You don’t know me, stop pretending to and know I would never consider telling you how to be or what to value in life. Now I’ve asked once and I’ll ask again…stop please. I was saying that If I were fat, I wouldn’t force that ugliness onto the world by posting my picture. I have always found voluptuous women beautiful, I’m talking FAT. Gross, out of shape, undisciplined FAT. OK?? None of my comments regarding weight were directed at you, I don’t even know what you look like. It’s just your masculine outlook that doesn’t jive with me. So what, I’m not bothered by it until you put your two cents a little too close to my money pile, no biggie, it has passed. We are women together nicole, let us be friends, yes?
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if you have anything further you want to discuss, I am open but please just email me @ anouk.ange@gmail.com.
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hmm
and people always ask me “dana, why do you have such disdain for other women?”
res
ipsa
loquitur
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Anoukange, when someone says their will is strong, but then says that they wouldn’t “force” their “ugliness” (imperfection) on the world by posting photos, when they’re already walking around “forcing” their “ugliness” on others, and posting their “ugliness”, it’s funny.
I don’t need to know the details of someone’s life to understand that a person who says such things has a will that is either untested or thoroughly broken.
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From behind-the-scenes stories that I’ve heard, both Lee Marvin and Sean Connery would fall into the “badass” category.
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SDaedalus, I am positive that nobody here wants to see me in a bikini covered in mud. They probably would like Anoukange to learn to take aging and imperfections more gracefully before she hits the next wall. It’ll make her even more pleasing to the eye, in more ways than one.
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SDaedalus, I am positive that nobody here wants to see me in a bikini covered in mud.
You never know. Or maybe you and Anouk as female gladiators aka Spartacus? I’m confident enough to consider taking exclusive selling rights on the tickets, funds are low Chez Daedalus at present.
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PS What’s up with all the italics? This kind of thing only usually happens to me.
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I want to see Nicole lift anoukange clear above her head and break her in half into two discrete pieces, then revel in the innards swallowing organs whole.
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@the realist
I want to see Nicole lift anoukange clear above her head and break her in half into two discrete pieces, then revel in the innards swallowing organs whole.
You’ll have to pay for it so. Exclusive bookings through the SDaedalus Gladiatrix Agency only.
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Nicole–
ISFP. Look it up. High appreciation for aesthetic beauty. Sorry. As soon as I turn south over-all in looks, I will not be posting any photos of myself anywhere. I adore ugly men and average looking men but I love beautiful women, I can’t help it. I don’t attack average to ugly looking women and I don’t understand why you and Dana have an issue with it. Let it go. No need to worry about my personal life for me but thanks…I’m not the slightest bit concerned about yours.
Dana-
You’re obviously a feminist and I’m sorry for your lot in life because of it.
SD-
stop encouraging it.
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bitter, bitter, bitter. What a shame.
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SD-
stop encouraging it.
Sorry Anouk. Only teasing. Clearly my attempt to mend the quarrel through introducing a lighter note has sent things fro bad to worse, I will stay out of these catspats in future.
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SD-
😉
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Whoa, she just called Dana a feminist.
Jekyll-Hyde princess has lost her damn mind.
Now that I know I’m “arguing” with a crazy person, it takes all the fun out of it. Explains a lot though.
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“I want to see Nicole lift anoukange clear above her head”…
[url=http://www.stalkingstevephillips.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/awesome-kong.jpg]already happened![/url]
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wtf with these tags man
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yes, i am quite obviously a feminist lol
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“I’m kinda curious where everyone here falls on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. ”
ENTJ
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Nicole, for christ sake. You come along and tell me what I’m supposed to find attractive and beautiful and when I don’t agree with you, you proceed to take a shallow shot in the dark at some deeper seeded reasons as to why. I shoot back just a bit in the hopes that you get a life and let it go, but no. Instead I have to waste my time telling you that I don’t find obese people attractive and you and Dana get on my case. What the hell? LET IT GO. Not all men are scum Nicole. I’ve known some fantastic ones so I can’t get all jaded and start calling myself “wise” and “realistic”. It would seem that you, me, and Dana have had very different experiences with men and in life so why can’t we just leave it at that? You are making an issue for the sake of having an issue with me. So we’re different….big deal. “Crazy” is a lazy insult and an over-used one. Just because I can’t relate to you doesn’t make me crazy. Now stop it already and go fight a worth while battle with someone else.
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Nicole could kick my ass. I’m 5’4″ 110lbs. I’m either runnin fast, smart talking and giving the slip, or I’m toast. I’m no fool.
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Ladies, ladies, ladies…
shake what yo momma gave ya (all sizes apply)
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this thread is probably turning men gay by now
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“this thread is probably turning men gay by now”
–with all the talk of fat and obese women, yes. Hence, we should let it go for the sake of humanity, no?
(that’s a fucking joke, in case you didn’t get it and wanted to get all over me for it.)
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Maybe. It’s turning me straight.
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“i’m actually staying with some Morts down there – is Tobacco Road kosher for that crew?”
Depends on what kind of Morts. Potheads who dig jazz/blues/funk? Yeah. Frat Rat football fiends? Not so much.
“if i can talk them into an adventure, i’m in for wednesday night.”
I have to pass on the party, but there isn’t much adventure at the Road on a Wednesday — it’s pretty laid back.
I’m guessing you and your boys are early to mid 20’s(?) If they’re local, they’ll know where the action is. If not, you should do what all the other noobs do: go to SoBe and saunter along Ocean Drive, pop in at all the joints along the way and get lit, laugh at the freaks and holler at the bitches. Things don’t start warming up until 10pm. If you go hard, you can keep the party rolling until 5am at Ted’s Hideaway (a locals fave) and probably score some coke, but I can’t vouch for quality.
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Cannon’s Canon
Dude, why are writing like a teenager! ewww! I thought you were an older much more refined gentleman. Thanks for ruining my fantasy! Arggggg!!!!
*thumbs down*
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pac,
i was just being sociable. my boys will know the scene. not really doing the drug thing, especially since my hosts are lawyers/AIG fund-builders on the weekdays – probably smoke a blunt and maybe pop a few vikes. and my magic number is 29. i’m back sunday night too, let me know if you grow a sack.
me me me,
when you remarked how smart i was, i told you i’d let you experience my digit ratio to be sure. there’s a proposed correlation between the relative lengths of your second and fourth fingers and your verbal intelligence (among many other measurables). so what i was saying was that i’d finger-blast you. delightfully tacky yet unrefined. not sure how this affects your fantasy.
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Caaaaannon, you sexy beast you!
Thank you for being so lovely and explaining all that ratio digit stuff. Who knew??
You rock!!! 😀
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anok, dana was trying to school you in the ways of men. I usually don’t agree with her but she was on point with her “men are killers” comment and you’d be wise to remember her comment.
Sometimes elders have wisdom to share with us kiddies 🙂
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my crone senses were just tingling
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^^^
my crone senses
well your not yet archaic.
but anouck and others should learn from your mistakes. Some things don’t need repeating.
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@Gorby….
“””Asian chicks. They seem to be more programmed for sniffing out Beta Providers and more prone to selecting them. I’d guess it’s a cultural thing. My suspicion after experience is that their threshold barrier is just higher; once you top it, they fuck like minks in heat and like bad boys just as much. But they don’t tend to trip up on easy game.”””
Since discovering game, here’s how I see it….
I think it’s very similar to how they decide on a career or a university: rather than going to film school or cooking school or pursuing their passion, they follow the sensible path and get into finance or study business.
I think it’s very often the same with finding a “boy friend”…I put that in quotation marks because in Hong Kong, the emphasis is both on “boy” and on “friend”….there isn’t a whole lot of fucking going on.
One girl I know and have been gaming has one of these beta provider boyfriends. I’m aloof, practice one-word text on her….when we dance, it’s close and firm. She likes to be “pushed around” as she puts it and smiles. This is longer-term game for me. But the whole thing baffles me frankly. I think it’s because her “boyfriend” is “nice”.
But Chinese girls all have a very secret wild side. When you game them and do start fucking them…it’s all they want to do. Then…suddenly after a period of heavy fucking, they suddenly get religion and start putting up the ASD.
It’s a constant roller-coaster ride. The only way to deal with them is to not care.
“””They can be harder to actually get into bed. “””
Not true, I’ve banged girls I’ve known on the first date after a few drinks. It’s often easier for them to open up to foreign guys because they feel the foreign guy won’t judge them as a slut.
They love being gamed. They also love attention and those “movie moments” and if they sense you’re beta, they’ll keep it going indefinitely.
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