Want to feel dirty? Watch:
(Hat tip: reader Seth)
These little girls are pretty good dancers. Some of the commenters argue they aren’t doing anything sexual. Looks to me like they are performing the exact same sexy dance moves as grown women with boobs and butt. Drop it, shake it, split it, girly!
I really wonder what goes through the minds of parents who would skank up their five year old daughters. Preparing them for a world of assholes, players and game? That reasoning would at least make some sense. When you are saturated in a femicentric culture that places no obligation on women, removes all slut shaming, and releases them from dependence on men’s resources, then the natural result is a race to the base that exalts women’s good-to-go sexuality far above all other values, as that is the last standing value that has any currency left in a wide open, marriage-averse mating market. And what better way to make sure your little angel knows the right moves to get more attention from the boys than the other whorelets than by decking her out in bra and panties onstage and teaching her the fine art of suctioning her privates to the floor. I bet single moms are more prone to doing this sort of experimentation with their bastard spawn.
“Here, little Jenny, put on this sequined stripper outfit.”
“Here, little Johnny, try your first cigarette. And good job beating up that kid at school! Girls love that in a man.”
People wonder why there are so many douchebags, assholes, and players roaming the high school halls of America. Where have all the good men gone?, cry women.
Ladies, you get the men you deserve.
The time has come to institute a parenting test for all would-be mothers. If you fail the test, you get sterilized, or your child gets sent to an orphanage at birth. At the very least, we should be removing any and all welfare statist safety nets from the bottom of burgeoning wombs. If you can’t raise a kid without state aid or corporate aid (paid maternity leave is a form of consumer-supported welfare that enables single motherhood), then it dies in the street. Viva la abortion!
Ah, so those are the kids Anoukange nannies for.
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“One of the more unfortunate—but ubiquitous—faults in the modern woman is the completely inability to just move on from things gracefully. Young women these days don’t do anything with dignity—they don’t wield their sexual power with dignity, they don’t age with dignity, and they don’t make mistakes with dignity. Nothing is done with dignity…
The tragedy is that so many young women never had the chance to learn any better, because their mothers are every bit as frivolous and silly as they are…wisdom and dignity…is so rare in women these days, because their mothers rejected it and their grandmothers have passed away. So all you have is these clueless young women, their useless mothers, and a society that has shielded them from 99 percent of consequences of their actions and has attempted to forbid public scorn of their decisionmaking. They don’t have dignity because they were never taught it, and they weren’t taught it because we tried to make it so they wouldn’t need it.”
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/curiosity-women-and-game/#comment-169634
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Thanks.
I just jacked off to that video.
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I really wonder what goes through the minds of parents
The baby boomer and GenX mothers are re-living their youth through their daughters, becaue unchecked by the father, a woman will normally see nothing wrong with her girl turning tricks. These girls’ fathers are banished by divorce or have no sac to say “NO.”
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This has *always* creeped me out, ever since the JonBenet Ramsey hype of about 10 years ago by now. There’s actually a reality show about parents who pimp out their grade school kids to beauty pageants and the like. And it was sanctified by indie comedy by the SWPL set in “Little Miss Sunshine.” (I still think Alan Arkin as Grandpa was awesome, though.)
What goes through their minds? I don’t know – maybe the idea of a child as an accessory, a vehicle for projection of the parent’s frustrated life desires — as opposed to a real person, an adult in preparation who must be raised correctly. If single mom finds herself getting older, then baby girl becomes the focus of her beauty and sexiness angst. But that’s just a guess, and a bad oneprobably – I don’t really know.
What’s the equivalent for male grade-schoolers? the pushy dad obsessing over Junior’s achievements in sports, reliving his own unfulfilled dreams? Maybe, but that’s nothing new and far less socially damaging- has value in fact from the male point of view. Toughens Junior up. But there’s no equivalent than makes Junior into an explicit sex object as a child.
Chalk this one up to the decadence and fall of the West.
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Maurice- or worse the the boy is raised to play with dolls and be totally submissive to mom and all her man hating friends.
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These little girls were born around 2004/2005.
Their mothers graduated from high school in the early 2000s or possibly late 90s. They are America’s sluttiest generation, and obviously see nothing wrong with turning their daughters into strippers at the age of 5.
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[…] of all places, Roissy in DC, who is not in the least pleased: I really wonder what goes through the minds of parents who would […]
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Agree with most comments above, and add that the athletic-track is the antidote to the slut-track.
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“People wonder why there are so many douchebags, assholes, and players roaming the high school halls of America. Where have all the good men gone?, cry women.
Ladies, you get the men you deserve.”
True that.
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Maybe I have low testosterone level, but I didn’t really notice any sexiness here. What I noticed was how quick they are. Little kids are so energetic. I wish I had half their energy.
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One of the dancers was asian. And here I thought asians were supposed to be good parents.
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It’s going to get worse – a lot worse, I suspect – before it gets better. Compound shameless slutting up at an ever-younger age with the rising trends of single motherhood and spinsterhood, and you have a recipe for full-on social disintegration. To say nothing of the fact that an aging spinster sisterhood will demand more and more monetary support from the state, which is another way of saying that they will demand higher taxes on income-producing men so they can get handouts to feed their cats.
You’ve probably read this already, but it’s just more proof for your arguments:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1274405/Women-waiting-longer-children-U-S–record-41-unmarried.html
On a side note, I’m told that if you stare long enough at small dogs and cats, they start to look like infant human children–but only if you’re a single female over the age of 30.
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Are you complaining? Isn’t this what you want: Women to be slutty so that you can have more sex?
Roissy – “Preparing them for a world of assholes, players and game?” (Preparing them for you Roissy.)
Roissy – “That reasoning would at least make some sense. When you are saturated in a femicentric culture that places no obligation on women, removes all slut shaming, (Dont you want them to be sluts) and releases them from dependence on men’s resources (Dont you want not to have to compete with more financially successful men?) then the natural result is a race to the base that exalts women’s good-to-go sexuality far above all other values, as that is the last standing value that has any currency left in a wide open, marriage-averse mating market (Which you are part of the club). And what better way to make sure your little angel knows the right moves to get more attention from the boys than the other whorelets than by decking her out in bra and panties onstage and teaching her the fine art of suctioning her privates to the floor. I bet single moms are more prone to doing this sort of experimentation with their bastard spawn.” (Are you sure there arent any little Roissy spawn running around out there?)….
….People wonder why there are so many douchebags, assholes, and players roaming the high school halls of America. (Future Roissy accolites)
Where have all the good men gone?, cry women. (Dont look for them on this blog)
Ladies, you get the men you deserve. (Yes look in the mirror and you’ll see one)
The time has come to institute a parenting test for all would-be mothers. If you fail the test, you get sterilized, or your child gets sent to an orphanage at birth. At the very least, we should be removing any and all welfare statist safety nets from the bottom of burgeoning wombs. If you can’t raise a kid without state aid or corporate aid (paid maternity leave is a form of consumer-supported welfare that enables single motherhood), then it dies in the street. (Just move to China)
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That vid reminded me of this:
“Your not a single lady.”
lol
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lozzlzlzozlzlz zzl the neocon fiat masters
1) erase/criminalize manhood and morality
2) sexualize little girls
3) detsroy fatherhood as 41% of kids are born out of wedlock & many of the married fathers will be divorced too as 2/3 of women initialize divorce as teh fiat bankers get a cut of teh alimony/shild support lozlzlz and it gives them more control over the children who they can medicate and deosul and sluttify without a father in teh huse laozlzlzozlz lzozlzlzlz
4) celbreate and promote the lies of douchebag dudes who film secretive tapings of butthex withoutthe girl’s consent lzozlzlz
5) threaten 2 suspend kids fro wearing american flags 2 school while encourgaing little girls 2 dress and act like slutty sluts lzozlzlzlz
6) profit from porn and war and debt and bebacuhery and divorce from porn and war and debt and debauchery and divorce which is why the necon fiat masters fund feminist studies class to teach women how to depopulate the world via tehir pre-emptive abortion wars lzolzlzlzllzlzlz on 50,000,000 unborn kids who have been murdered killed dead murdered lzozlzlzl
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It’s a damned shame. Whatever happened to putting your daugther in ballet or your son in boxing classes? To me stuff like this and that ‘Toddlers in Tiaras’ show are one step shy of child porn. There should be laws against this type of stuff.
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Maurice–
It’s American style feminism pure and simple.
Not all feminists would approve of this, but they’d ALL be utterly opposed to shaming these girls (or older ones) for doing this. Instead of course they’d try to blame men. The same men they’ve worked so hard to emasculate and make unsure of their instinctual values in things like sexual modesty in girls.
Men have always responded to the public sexual display of girls who are not in their own families. That hasn’t changed. The feminist assault on men or society shaming girls for too much public sexual display is what’s changed. That’s gone hand in glove with not shaming girls for unwed pregnancy, being single mothers or divorce, but in fact forcing men into indentured servitude to pay for them to exercise those “rightful anti-patriarchal” female privileges.
This was quite likely performed in California. Where feminists have jacked up the age of consent all the way to a world highest 18. Here too 20 something guys potentially pay the price (and a very heavy one) after consensual sex with a slutty 16 year old who performed like this as a preschooler.
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Roissy: What are your opinions of the Virginia lacrosse murder situation? The guy had a history of violence and was a total asshole, and yet, his girlfriend still put up with all that shit? Sad situation, but it just shows another example of girls being attracted to woman beaters/assholes etc.
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ExtraStout- I’m thinking these girls were born around 2000, not 2005.
Choreography- it’s partly determined by music, although I can see how feminist culture influenced it. (I’m guessing the annual recital for the little corner dance studio in 1955 looked much different than this video). But there really wasn’t any music to support such movement during that time period.
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What Lena, and most women don’t get, is that game and playerdom is a reaction to an unjust situation: Marriage 2.0 Divorce Court ButtRape, Female sluttiness and hypergamy
Were more women to simply follow Roissy’s edict of searching for their future husband and father of their children while they are in their late teens/early twenties, before hopping on the ole cock carousel (you should trademark some of these terms), whilst still full of youthful vigor and unsullied beauty, the need for players and gamers would diminish.
If women responded to men’s kinder gentler traits, the prevalence of assholes would greatly diminish.
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@ Doug1
Assuming these girls are as young as I think they are (5-8) I think I would also be against shaming them—they simply aren’t mature enough to know any better.
It’s the parents who should be subject to the balls-out, business end of a nationwide, public slut shaming offensive. These parents are purposefully raising the Future Sex Workers of America, and simultaneously providing choke chow for every pedophile and internet sicko out there.
Disgraceful doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface.
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I think they’re trying to relive their youth through their daughters.
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maurice
“If single mom finds herself getting older, then baby girl becomes the focus of her beauty and sexiness angst. But that’s just a guess, and a bad oneprobably – I don’t really know.”
Fuck that. You nailed it sir.
P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N
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Attributing this to “feminism” is wishful thinking at best. The culture that promotes this behavior is predominantly southern, conservative, christian culture. I would bet money that we will soon start to see (if it isn’t happening already) these little pageants and talent displays actually occurring in the ‘rock n’ roll’ megachurches that these parents attend on Sunday.
While I am absolutely no feminist, I have to at least acknowledge that feminists show some concern and curiousity towards gender roles in society. The culture that supports this kind of filth is entirely anti-intellectual, non-curious, and hostile towards anyone that does think or question the status quo. This isn’t caused by feminism. It is a byproduct of unrestrained consumerism and the commodization of female sexuality.
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maurice
“What’s the equivalent for male grade-schoolers? the pushy dad obsessing over Junior’s achievements in sports, reliving his own unfulfilled dreams? Maybe, but that’s nothing new and far less socially damaging- has value in fact from the male point of view. Toughens Junior up. But there’s no equivalent than makes Junior into an explicit sex object as a child.”
Is there a female equivalent of “MAN UP”?
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@Ronin
Is there a female equivalent of “MAN UP”?
No. This succinctly describes what is wrong with our society.
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Looks like the white race is doomed.
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Feminism is responsible for a culture that would not shame the parents of these girls.
Consumerism is to blame for the commercialization of sexuality.
The parents are to blame for being pathetic enough to force their child to be a sexual trophy for them.
What happened to piano, ballet, girl scouts, french lessons, flute lessons, home economics, gymnastics, and swimming?
ah the ladies of yore…good wives they made…today’s girls are just silly sluts
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Lena–
Yeah.
As well unwed mothers who had an “oops” pregnancy should stop getting feminist mandatory child support from biodads who never wanted the baby, and who would have i) not had the “oops” and ii) used Plan B, had an abortion or given the infant for adoption, had it been up to them. I think most avowedly accidental pregnancies, which have skyrocketed up in frequency, really are “oops” ones, consciously or subconsciously. After all, there are no longer dire consequences for girls having a child without first having a husband who wants to help you parent and pay for it, as their used to be not long ago. Just dire ones for men.
But shaming girls for these bad behaviors is key. If the girls are shamed and shunned, and the mothers know they will be, then even totally morally unmoored mother will lot let their daughters do things like this.
Returning to shaming girls for bad behavior is key.
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Is it always the mother’s idea to parade their own children around like little cockteases?
Because if it ever were the father pushing for this, I’m sure he’d be castrated by the media and hung out to dry, right up with the Austrian cellar dad.
What do you all think?
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@ Doug1,
I think shaming girls is effective from puberty forward, but for little kids like the ones in the video, the shaming needs to fall on the parents. And frankly, in my community those that would participate in this sub-culture would be stigmatized as ignorant hillbillies. I do live in a big college town, however, so its probably different than the southern lowest-common-denominator communities where this is accepted and supported.
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I don’t think anyone is TEACHING these little girls to do what they’re doing. They’re just being allowed to express what’s already there — their essential whorish female nature. In other words, these little girls are acting like perfectly normal and ordinary little girls — because in the peculiar culture of today, they’re ALLOWED to.
Are any of you aware of the sorts of things perfectly ordinary, middle-class girls under 13 are getting up to on Stickam? They’re showing what it is to be a perfectly normal, ‘well-adjusted,’ middle-class girl under 13, that’s what.
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Returning to shaming girls for bad behavior is key.
It is, in fact, the only thing that can work with women. They respond to absolutely nothing else because of that whole hind brain thing or something.
Take a look at Aristotle’s Spartan Women and you will see the theme that has existed all throughout history: it is impossible to treat men and women equally under the law, because women will not stand for it.
The only thing that works to keep women in line is social shaming. Probably because they are such herd creatures to begin with, being ostracized from the herd is far worse than having to go to court for fraud, and cry and manipulate your way out of a jail sentence.
Men can be controlled by being brought under the law, but it just doesn’t work with women. They always get off anyways, and other women will insist it is right that a woman doesn’t get punished. (While men will insist that other men be punished). This kind of stuff is not new. Belfort Bax was writing about the futility of treating men and women equally under the law about 100 years ago already.
What DOES work in regard to the law is to make a woman the subject of the husband (and him responsible for her actions), and then control the husband through the law, and then the husband uses his power to keep his wife in line.
But, when the state tries to make women and men equal under the law, it basically becomes that women are permitted to live in lawlessness. Social shaming has always been “the law” for women, and it was mostly handed out by older women who knew better. It was those sweet old ladies that sing so nicely in church that threw the slutty pregnant teenager into the streets. Harsh, for sure, but the other women sure got the message and didn’t want to suffer the same fate.
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“What happened to piano, ballet, girl scouts, french lessons, flute lessons, home economics, gymnastics, and swimming?”
These girls most likely are studying ballet as well. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be able to complete those turns so quickly. But in addition to ballet, they clearly take jazz and hip hop classes. There aren’t many studios that offer strictly ballet, unless you live in an urban area.
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Shaming women is never easy, because they always follow what the herd is doing. Try shaming a crowd of women, they’ll laugh you out of the parking lot every time.
Men are much more sensitive to shaming tactics because they have an ego, which replaces the herd instinct in women. Men want to be responsible for their own achievements, as opposed to following the current trend.
So the only thing that can be effective regarding female behavior would be a complete societal change that would take years to implement.
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By the way, one of the very few really well-known people in America who unambiguously expresses the essential hideousness of ordinary human nature is Dr. Laura Schlesinger (and yes I intend the ambiguity of that sentence). I heard her on the radio decades ago commenting on the “typically female” behavior of devious, manipulative preschoolers.
Of course Schlesinger is a proponent of strict religious/moral rules for the very oldest reason in philosophy and theology — the knowledge that human nature is essentially evil and must therefore be ruthlessly, indeed arbitrarily if need be, constrained.
On that score I’m in Roissy’s camp, although for different reasons — the lessening of moral education and constraints on normal female nature results for him in more pleasant places to park his penis, and for me in more amusing news of people’s degraded doings. (Well, Roissy gets twice the bang for his buck. Oh well, can’t have everything.)
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Sidewinder and Anony have some good points. The mothers who seem to have their daughters in activities like these probably would not consider themselves feminists.
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Wow Federz you brought up the wisdom of the ancients – women treated as legal minors! They’ll be coming for your scalp!
The next issue raised by this post is how a man who becomes a father should raise his children. No equal treatment. Sons and daughters are not interchangeable. Specifically, a father should encourage his sons to be more manly (resisting feminization and inculcating in his sons the reality of the feminine nature from the earliest age – you are to lead women, not worship them) and encourage his daughters to avoid aping masculinity by embracing the feminine virtues at a much younger age and then pursue higher education if she desires it after she has children. Not the ass backwards sequence now that breaks a lot of female hearts when they reach the thirties and are folding their diplomas into babies.
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“. . . But there’s no equivalent than makes Junior into an explicit sex object as a child.”
Alter Boy Training Camp
It won’t toughen them up though, the RCC likes ’em tender.
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@Juro
Shaming women is never easy, because they always follow what the herd is doing. Try shaming a crowd of women, they’ll laugh you out of the parking lot every time.
This is only because they don’t see you as having a position of authority. Status matters immensely here.
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Sidewinder
Yeah ok.
As well younger girls will see it happening to those a bit older.
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“and encourage his daughters to avoid aping masculinity by embracing the feminine virtues at a much younger age and then pursue higher education if she desires it after she has children.”
I agree with a slightly different variation of this. Since the cost of higher ed is rising so quickly thanks to artificial demand in the form of gov. student aid, it’s a bit more prudent to go to school earlier, rather than later in life. But simply shifting graduation age for females would allow girls to finish college at an earlier age. Say, done college by age 19, 20 at the latest vs. 21-23. But current public education simply herds same age males and females together, completely ignoring their differences, an obvious one being fertility.
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They must be auditioning for the latest Mini Daddy video
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I wonder what Emily Post would have said?
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Juro
Another great comment. It’s been a good week. Someone ought to mine the comment section and compile some of the best comments onto a blog. Not easy to extract out the money paragraphs from the dialogue though.
I’ve had a long running disagreement of emphasis with Doug regarding the power of shaming women. My stance is that women can’t be shamed by men. Men have traditionally only had economic power over women, and it was the mothers who enforced social values that they thought would lead to their children having a high status adulthood. Men don’t and can’t live within the female social circle – it’s a separate system we can’t affect directly.
That, and in the nature/nurture debate, I lean heavily towards nature. Thus the more common drives are barely affected by shame. They are affected by opportunity. No amount of social shaming will stop a young girl from fucking around with attractive men, if she can get away with it with financial and status impunity. At least not in urban environments. And more and more even not in remote countryside environments.
Shame is done by women, and only when women are advancing their own ends. Women took the route of advancing their own ends economically, rather than through the economics of men.
So for now, all men can do is to re-gain dominance. We must reclaim our laws. We must reclaim our power over our women. We must man up and keep the women down.
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Aww,… poor little girls! For all of that hard work you’d think there’d at least have been a few bills thrown on the stage for them to come back and scoop up after their song was done.
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impressive and creepy
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Not cute. I am not even sure what to call this. Parentomorphism?
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[…] was a performance at “World of Dance,” sponsored by Paul Mitchell beauty products, and quotes Roissy in DC:I really wonder what goes through the minds of parents who would skank up their five year old […]
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GBFM/lozzoll –
I finally realized you reminded me of Francis E. Dec Esquire, a nutcase who would rant against blacks and the “world-wide communist computer god.”
Doug-
You should definitely start your own blog. Then I wouldn’t hafta scroll of your many posts.
Maurice writes:
Watch it again, I don’t think you were paying careful attention. LMS mocked the creepiness of beauty pageants. In no way did it “sanctify” parading single digit children in front of the unattached, bearded, trenchoat/sunglass wearing men sitting in the audience.
Incidentally, the grandfather also dispenses the worldly advice to “have sex with a lot of women. Not the same woman! Different women.” He also discusses the implications of the male-to-female ratio in retirement communities.
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mister shhh – You’re repeating a lie that pedophilia is greater among RCC priests than other care-giving institutions. The rate of abuse among RCC priests is no greater than any other care-giving role be it minister, rabbi, scout-leader, pediatrician, etc. The bulk of what the media characterized as pedophilia in the church was really hebephilia – male priests preying on pubescent boys. The abuse and the cover-up were reprehensible and indefensible. Nonetheless, the scandal reflects the reality that predators will be attracted to positions of trust that they can abuse, and that is true for any institution. In addition, the RCC went through a period where seminaries were dominated by gays and the scandal was the result. You may not like the church, but the church was sued for three reasons only one of which the media ever mentions – (1) there was harm done that rightly should be rectified; (2) because of its corporate structure it has deep pockets and thus was a more lucrative target then protestant churches and (3) the RCC is the foremost ideological opponent of progressives/cultural marxists.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/24/opinion/main1933687.shtml
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm#_edn21
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xsplat–
I don’t disagree that the most effective social shaming is generally done by other girls. However men have always had a big role in establishing what is to be shamed. Male religious leaders for example, from shamans to priests, ministers and rabbis. As well fathers with daughters — and with a wife who admires her husband.
Women have to look up to the man as having high social status in general or having high status for her, to be sensitive to his shaming. Girls will be sensitive to the slut shaming of the hunky high school quarterback for example. But not whatsoever that of geeks or guys they can call losers and make that stick with other girls. The sexual attraction game being by far most important area of being a winner for it to work from guys.
Mothers did often do most of the day to day enforcing, but fathers were called in for the bigger or more difficult stuff, when he had a typical and certainly thought ideal patriarchal family role. As well he had large influence over his wife as to what the fine tuning of those religious/social values would be.
Men’s power over women is at root physical dominance. Men have raided brides from other bands from the hunter gatherer get go; the reverse is almost unheard of. Everywhere and in all times (with mythic exceptions) men are the warriors, while women are in support roles in band skirmishes or later war. Men’s dominance over women doesn’t occur (other than very rarely) by fighting women. Instead he offers the girls of his own band protection from being taken away as sex slaves or concubines with much less status and fewer rights by the warriors of other bands.
The most fundamental reason there aren’t bands composed only of women, with men being allowed to visit occasionally to inseminate them, is that in such a case men would easily quickly conquer them and take them as sex slaves or concubines, and not let them escape (or trade them with other bands if they were too troublesome).
And yes as part of this protection bargain men offers women much better status and treatment generally than being mere sex slaves in a raiding band. Feminism has taken this to the ultimate extreme, as some sort of moral necessity they preach for men to give them effective primacy and totally unconstrained sexual freedom, at enormous cost to men and children.
His economic support in our root times as a species was important but ancillary. That helps distinguish him from other men in his band. But in hunter gather groups often the gathering done by women provides more calories than the more episodic hunting success of men. Though a big hunting success gets lots of admiration and … freely given nookie.
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In countries like Venezuela and Colombia, where beauty pageants are extremely popular, and where all young girls dream of being a beauty queen some day, this type of kiddie porn would never happen. Girls there are taught to be modest, not whores. Take Shakira, who, despite her early fame and sexy image on stage, is a genuinely nice, conservative girl (and very intelligent, by the way). She has had only two boyfriends, I think.
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Interesting notion, but isn’t the protective aspect of male power a social one, rather than a role of an individual husband/protector?
At the level of family, man’s power over woman is not protective, but financial.
At the level of society, man’s power over women is not financial, but physical protection. Men as a society band together to protect women.
So men acting in the role of husband nowadays who lack economic power over women are at a huge loss to be able to coerce women’s behavior through shame. The reason shame worked, was because women who did not follow the rules, were not granted access to high status males. The high status males weren’t required for protection (protection of females is a male group effort) – they were required for financial reasons – for status reason. Finance=status=access to resources and labor.
Women listen to whatever will point them in the direction of financial and status success. Whatever voice that is. They don’t listen to high status men, and agree with the moral position. They listen to whatever voice points to their greatest opportunity, they listen to the cultural voices that point them to opportunity. They don’t see opportunity in the same way as men do, obviously. They want sex, babies, wealth, and maybe but not necessarily any long term commitment.
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xsplat–
It is at root a small band social one yes, but it’s also an individual husband/protector as well. A manly man will be better at protecting her after she’s in love with him, from being taken away by another man who’s a member of that band and claims her by right of his prowess, which he might demonstate by rival on rival conflict. We all know that girls get hindbrain gina tingles over the man who successfully fights off another man for her sexual favors.
As well it’s a lot more valuable to have a good warrior as your husband than a bad one when another band comes a raiding. The husband’s instinct is to protect his own woman and children first and foremost, the rest of the band’s second.
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To put my ideas in another way, Doug, women love not for the sake of love, but for the sake of wealth=access to resources and labor=status.
Men love for the sake of pair bonding.
You can’t shame a woman into focusing on pair bonding. That would be like trying to shame a man into following the work ethic, independently of a reward of attracting a mate. If the herb phenomenon in Japan has taught us anything, it’s that the ultimate reward is more important than the social pressures towards socially acceptable lifestyle. Divorce one from the other, and you lose the ability to motivate.
Women are motivated to status. Find a way to shame them that shows them they will not have access to wealth and stability and status, and it would work. Because the women would tell each other that.
The slut strategy is one of accepting payments for short term liasons. It’s no different whatsoever to the wife strategy. They both aim for material success, sex, and support from male(s).
If you want them to return to long term monogamy, you have to show them the money.
Not the social benefits. The money.
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That video is horrific. There are branches of feminism that certainly would protest it, giving arguments of objectificifation and exploitation. Other branches would view it as an asexual self-expression of a socially normal widely distributed pop video and certainly place blame on viewers for any disturbed hint in that direction.
The main culprit mainly arises from hyperliberalism, including components of anti-discrimination, judgement abstention, feminist liberation, hedonism and a move away from any spiritual drive.
The first thing these girls and their mothers become is material. Their life goals are fame, fortune and social approbation. This is the natural evolution of an inability by their parents to transmit to them values in any meaningful way, be they secular or sham religious. Many have dysfunctional families. In the absence of a higher purpose and intact family, their role models and those they admire are those in the media. The media which is dominated by… fill in the blanks.
These are actressesses, models and singers who are increasingly using their sexuality to sell themselves. There is increasingly no censorship on this. These usually deeply troubled women are their role models for beauty and lifestyle.
A significant change to point out in the pop scene is how heavily influenced it is by hip hop and inundated with artists who are transmitting a culture that is from ‘the streets’. Single Ladies is the very video that won Best Video in a well known award show, and that Kanye West accused all of racism when he thought it wasn’t going to.
That this has all been allowed and is indeed admired is a result of what modern world we live in. It’s a complex confluence of many recent-onset factors mostly tied with hyperliberalism: amorality, anonymous urbanisation, materialism, antidiscrimination.
That this is a phenomenon isolated exclusively to Western society is actually a fallacy; it’s a disease that afflicts many nations these days.
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“It is a byproduct of unrestrained consumerism ”
I see your point. And I don’t know how I overlooked the Paul Mitchell signs. He makes a mean tea tree oil shampoo, though. I don’t know what the appropriate entertainment would be for an event of this magnitude. Not sure the choreographers would anticipate more delicate movements to “Catch a Falling Star and Put it in your pocket” would have been well received by the audience. I’m sure the criticisms would be the same if the dance was identical, but the girls were ten years older.
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An anectdote to backup my claim. Older women in SE Asia often teach young girls in love to forego love at an early age, and instead focus on getting cash from men until they are about thirty, and then switch to focusing on marriage.
In the west, it’s the exact same situation. Focus on career during your (sexually) productive years, then focus on landing a stable (rich) mate after that.
If you want to shame, don’t shame about this, or about that. Shame about how the woman is not acting in her financial best interest.
Otherwise it won’t work.
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Doug, a woman leaving her husband for another man in the same tribe is about hypergamy, not about the man not “protecting” her.
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Jesus H. Christ. Unfuckingreal.
Please let me live long enough to see this entire system smashed into the ground. That’s all I ask.
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There are some insightful comments in this thread Ive enjoyed reading.
Here is my own little take:
1)Stripping leads to Porn and High-End-Spitzer-sytle prostitution once a gal is no longer one of the 5 or 6 hottest strippers in the club. There are brand-new shiny 18-year-olds wanting to strip every year, pushing the it girl of two years ago down the ranks of a showbar.
2)High-End Spitzer-style prostitution leads to Low-End-sleazy escort-service prostitution and increasing drug usage (coke whores)……leading to authentic addiction
3)Addiction/Ageing leads to low-end-sleazy-escort service prostitution and the need for self-medication (drugs) doesn’t wane.
***********NOTE: People who used drugs and led stressful lives back in my time look truly awful now. They age much faster.
As Chris Rock said, your number one job as a dad is to KEEP YOUR DAUGHTER OFF THE POLE. Don’t let her strip. Here in the video we have young girls being taught to competitively strip%%%%%%%
%%%%%%%FURTHER NOTE: “Competitively stripping” and competitively turning on men in clubs is a sports event the equivalent to the football and baseball team for women. It really does make sense when you think about it. The “out-of-the-clique girls” or the girls who didn’t make the cheerleading team, but think they were sexier than the cheerleaders and the mean girls in the clique, have a chance to dance at the clubs and win the boys attention full throtle in a no-holds-barred meat market. Of course they “luv-da-club”. Its their version of American Gladiator or the championship tournament baseball all-star game (I played in a few of those, thrilling). That natural exhibitionism inherent in pretty women is intoxicating to them, getting paid handsomely for it and being high-up in a clique (the prettiest strippers), getting to dabble in dopamine-fixing-coke, and having men obsessed with them…………..all while enjoying physical protection from the bouncers and accolades from the culture, must be hard to resist for them. Like a magnet doing a push-up away from steel.
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I wish I don’t know what I know now. Bring me back to a time of ignorance
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OOOPS, I posted this on the wrong thread.
Trying again.
@Roissy:
“and releases them from dependence on men’s resources, then ”
I think I know in what sense you mean that. But, it is false
as stated; these females (I hesitate to call them “women” and
not just because of tender age) are VERY dependent on men’s
resources, it is just that they are extracted forcibly,
often without personal involvement.
BTW, what you call “whorelets” are referred to by Devlin
as “prostitots”. Either makes sense, but the latter is funnier.
“At the very least, we should be removing any and
all welfare statist safety nets from the bottom
of burgeoning wombs. If you can’t raise a kid without
state aid or corporate aid (paid maternity leave
is a form of consumer-supported welfare that enables
single motherhood), then it dies in the street.
Ahhh, the gentle form of eugenics, or actually it reverse.
No government force, just REMOVAL of force. Nice.
@skadi
“Men today have much more freedom than in the older times
(which is great, but also detrimental to their discipline
and overall quality). They have much fewer obligations
and more spoils these days.”
Stuff and nonsense. Depending on how you look at it.
Today, there are child support payments, alimony,
taxes that go to 50% of income and beyond, etc. etc.
Meanwhile, they are required to treat women as equals,
whenever it suits women, and to support them
whenever that suits.
@dragnet
“This is the lesson of our grandmothers. My grandmother
was an absolutely stunning woman. But long after
her looks & sexual power had faded, she managed
to keep her husband in thrall to her because
she had spent her younger years cultivating the tools
she would need long after she was no longer able
to cause traffic accidents by just getting up
in the morning. In doing so, she extended her
power over her husband in a way these aging hags
rushing to get plastic surgery could only dream of. ”
Interesting. Could you expand on HOW this was done?
Meant as a real question, NOT a put-down.
Thor
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@ Bhetti
While I agree that hyperliberalism has contributed to rampant secular moral relativism (and relativism as a philosophical outlook in general), there has been corresponding shift in the religious communities around the world. Religious fundamentalism is growing within Islam, Judaism, Catholicism and christianity generally. These movements retard moral development in that the individual is relieved of doing any of the moral heavy lifting. In these cultures, there is no uncertainty, no gray areas, young men and women do not struggle through difficult decisions and grow…they just look to do as the ingroup does.
History has demonstrated time and again how those immersed within cultures that discourage independent thinking are susceptible to engaging in all kinds of ghastly behavior. The families involved in the pageant subculture are likely more conservative, christian and southern than the average american. And there is no hidden agenda culprit behind it. They are just mimicking what they mindlessly consume.
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This is ridiculous. Great parent, but really for 6 year olds, their moves were awesome. However, it’s not only me or parents watching this, nor is it just sickos wanking to it, there are genuine psychos who will obsess over one of the girls, track her down, and then who knows.
Oh and if you don’t think every single one of those girls will lose her virginity by 16 you are crazy.
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Not so, exactly. It’s a socially supported goods and services tax, if paid for maternity leave is legally mandated.
Otherwise, the invisible hand will adjust the woman’s wage to reflect her financial worth to the company.
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School Dances Sure Have Changed – Click here for another funny movie.
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xsplat
I talked about a case where the girl is in love with the first guy. They might or might not have had their attraction yet given official status and permission by the band (marriage).
A man who would be able to protect her from rivals for a combination of reasons including his social status and also his ability to intimidate or fend off his rival one way or another, gains lots of hyperagmous gina tingles from the girl.
If she leaves her husband or cheats on him (with rules not punishing her badly for this or after a long enough period of time that it’s ok in some bands), it’s more likely to be with a man that’s more alpha than him, or seems that way to her after a period of her betaizing her man to help ensure keeping him.
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Dave — I’m not repeating a lie,
_______
“. . . But there’s no equivalent than makes Junior into an explicit sex object as a child.”
Alter Boy Training Camp
________
I offered a possible alternative as a retort to what I considered a ripe rhetorical statement. It was the first one I thought of. I could have said, the Boy Scouts or acting school or Halloween costumes for that matter. It may arguably be a weak equivalency but there’s no lie there. (well, I’m lying now; I don’t remember an actual Training Camp when I was young and pious)
The RCC slur was my personal opinion, I don’t actually know how “they like ’em”. My apologies.
You however buried the lede in your commentary–
“The abuse and the cover-up were reprehensible and indefensible.”
With this I agree.
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Xontrarian
Looks like the white race is doomed.
Nah. The civilization it built is doomed, but not the race itself.
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Xsplat–
Yuup. Exactly.
Though there doesn’t always have to be a law requiring maternity leave. Some companies will do so in obedience to a leftist/feminist belief system among it’s leaders (similar to conforming to religious beliefs in ways that cost you money).
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OK, I give up. Just nuke us already and put us out of our misery.
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Can someone past a link to the original video?
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Me
To further on from this idea, a lot of the current imbalance in power between the sexes is be, cause we have erased the lines between state as protector and man as provider, and made the state be both the protector and provider.
Of course that will fuck up gender relations.
Birth control, social support and safety nets, anonymous urban living, high paying jobs in the service sector for women, quotas and inflated wages (wage parity) for women, all these root causes lead to women following the money in the ways we see in our age.
It is not possible to simply focus on shaming, or social pressures. That’s pointless. In all things, follow the money. If you want to fight the mafia, follow the money, stop the money. If you can’t stop the money flow directly (such as trying to stop drug sales), undercut the financial reward – (legalize and sell state sanctioned drugs).
A solution to get a woman to act in the old school ways:
* Have a situation in which she will greatly benefit financially and in status and in leisure time to enjoy her wealth and status, and make damn sure that this situation is solely contingent upon her remaining with you. That’s how it used to be. If you want the same social expectations of women that we had back then, you need this same financial incentive and choice constraint.
* For social activism, work for changing all the laws Doug mentioned about child support such that getting pregnant is not equal to winning the lottery.
* Make sure that your woman understands you will leave the country if she tries to divorce rape you, and that all your assets are our of her reach. Rent, if you must. Structure an offshore company you rent from, if you want to own. Never let on to anyone about your offshore holdings.
* Keep your passport in a safety deposit box or other safe area outside of your home. Keep with you at all times daily backups of all digital data and scans of identity, credit and debit cards, and online access to various accounts.
Follow the money. Control the money. Discourage her from working at anything but your own business, and then tightly control trade secrets and account information – only allow her access to a portion of the big picture, and don’t give her the ability to duplicate or take over your business.
Traditional values will come back when there is traditional control of resources.
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xsplat,
You can’t shame a woman into focusing on pair bonding. That would be like trying to shame a man into following the work ethic, independently of a reward of attracting a mate.
is a brilliant observation, though I don’t quite agree with it in the case of women with kids. You CAN shame a woman into being a better mother, and you can make a good case that it’s better for the kids if Mommy stays with Daddy.
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Doug
In wayyyyy olden days, the girls married as soon as they were fertile. So again, protection is nearly exclusively a matter of the group of men acting, not individual men.
I think you are referring to hypergamy. Yes, girls in love will leave a guy for a higher status male. Even if they love the poor guy. They do that.
That’s not about protection.
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OK, issue I have with this post is that many “conservative” and “traditional” cultures also have girls dancing this same way.
I can’t count the number of Indian weddings I’ve been to with little girls as young as like 4 shaking their hips to sexy Bollywood songs. Here and in India… I even did some of that sexy hip-shaking, belly-undulating, come-hither-eyes dancing 20 years ago as a child (and up to today too).
[editor: are these indian kids at weddings shaking their rumps and hips as part of a choreographed routine to be seen by thousands before an audience and given full approval by their parents, or are they just little kids jumping haphazardly on the dance floor and mimicking what they see the adults doing? remember, context matters. heh.]
I’ve been to middle eastern parties with little girls doing the little belly dance shake (in fairness, some of these parties were segregated with men in another room).
And @Backdoor Man, have you seen the video of an almost-toddler dancing to Shakira? It was all the rage a year or so ago… her lips don’t lie even if she can’t even speak much yet.
Coming back to Bollywood, the wet sari scene and super sensuous dancing have been a part of acceptable mainstream culture even back when men and women were expected to stay separate from each other (in my grandparents and even my parents youth).
What I’m trying to say is that something is sexy if *you* see it as such. It’s the context too. If you see little girls shaking etc., and get turned on… I don’t know what to say.
[relative sexualist alert. you’re such a leftie loonie at heart, aren’cha? some sexual moves are obvious no matter what the context.]
If the lyrics of the song are inappropriate, like too blatantly whorish, then that’s another issue as well – that heightens the effect.
If you opened a chocolate popsicle in front of a little girl, and she licked her lips and flattered her eyelashes asking for it, would you call her mother a bad parents for teaching her to act that way?
[don’t be dense.]
I find this incredible, especially since I grew up in an extremely conservative household (even by Indian American standards) and was myself almost a religious-fundie…
[that explains your rebel without a truth relativist proclivities.]
Also, I used to find gymnastics overly revealing and sexy for kids. Contorting, spreading body parts all over the place, tight clothes revealing everything… Why is that being considered wholesome now?
[don’t be dense, part 2]
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Sidewinder: Yes, the sheep of fundamentalism are as alarming as the sheep of hyperliberalism. Some element of collectivism seems an inevitable part of the human condition. A significant subset of the population need certainty, which probably is why they’re turning to fundamentalism increasingly as mainstream movements cease standing by their declared systems, re-interpreting their values to fit current agendas.
You’ve clarified on the psychology of pageantry subculture that is predisposed to displays such as in that video but, overall, this kind of thinking seems more and more pervasive.
I do believe it is the philosophy and consequences accompanying hyperliberalism that has made the concept of beauty and material gain emphasised over all else popular as a widespread concept.
I feel you’ve made this distinction but let me emphasise it: in an important sense, it’s not a religion versus secular argument. These values and lifestyles have infected all but the most stubborn subsets.
dragnet: Great comments from you.
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I have a graphic example of why I don’t believe that women are attracted to thuggery, per se. That they are attracted to the big three of 1) social dominance 2) risk taking behavior 3) unpunished bucking of the system, and that since they are fundamentally amoral, if they see this displayed in thuggery, that will work too. Take any thug and any non thug, and whoever have more of the big three will get the girl.
The graphic example is this: high school cliques.
There is never a thug class. Unless it’s a borderline-criminal class of society, in which social rising is done chiefly through these means.
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Thanks. I do occasionally come up with an original insight. From what I can tell, seeing a big picture and noticing heretofore unseen connections and then explaining these connections in an engaging way that others can understand is a rare talent that I have. Very rarely equaled, and even more rarely bettered. R is my better at that, by far, and to me that’s saying a lot.
Yes, I think you’ve also made an original insight. Women don’t just follow the money, they follow what is best for their kids. Usually money/status and benefit for the kids is the same domain, but lately it can be two separate domains. So yes, women can be shamed to follow their best interest, the interest of their kids.
The husband is not her best interest, as she shares no genes with him.
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Xsplat–
I am referring to hypergamy yes. I’m also saying that ability to protect her, which usually more involves social status than brute strength, is part of what makes her gina tingle. Girls love when an alpha man in the media protects a girl. (Though there’s now a feminist forebrain counter message about not being a helpless little girl that needs some man to protect you.)
When and if she’s deeply adoringly pair bonded, and doesn’t just “love him”, she rarely will actually. At least while the relationship is young and the bond is intense. After awhile though it does take her beliefs and a community of friends that thinks similarly and/or social rules with strong penalties for her not let herself be lead step by step into exploring this new higher status guy and doing so, if given the chance. Well if she thinks he’ll be loyal to her too, if it’s not a matter of a clandestine affair.
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@ Lena
Christ you’re retarded. It should be an elementary concept, but what’s best for me may not always be in society’s longterm health.
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By the way, in woman speak, social dominance is called a sense of humor. Risk taking behavior and unpunished bucking of the system is called ambition.
So women will go for a funny and ambitious young buck over an established man, at least for sex, as he’s the best bet to be a real contender for the highest social positions.
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LSB: Actually, you’ve reminded me of a show of traditional Gulf dance I went to when my grandmother was a teacher at an all girl’s school.
I was six years old. She forced me on stage and I shyly did those cute half-moves kids do, which was an attempt at it just like my mother would and so on would do. She took a video or a picture, showed off about what a pretty girl I was later. She’s a hijabi.
However, looking at the routine above, I see the symptoms of a much bigger problem. It definitely is and has happened in a widespread way.
Kids imitate the adults and we find it deeply disturbing because they’ve shown us what their trajectories are.
This society’s disturbing.
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Mister shh: I just wanted to give you some perspective. It’s not a defense to say that the RCC is no worse than any other institution. The church compounded the problem by not turning the law breakers over to the cops. The reality is that no institution with responsibility for children can enact perfect screening procedures, so this will likely always be a problem (and a cash cow for lawyers).
There is hypocrisy on both sides of this issue. For example, the New York Times filed a foia request seeking info on many-years-ago abuse in CT because CT dioceses had enacted safeguards to eliminate the problem which have worked. The Times wanted old, unreported stories because no new stories of abuse were arising. At the same time, the media was ignoring rampant abuse in public institutions in CT, particularly juvenile detention facilities. Despite the rampant abuse in public facilities the lawyers were trying to get the statute of limitations changed so that they could get a second chance at the church. Keep in mind the statute of limitations against public institutions having the bulk of the current problems is relatively short, and there was no effort to change that statute. So it really looked like the progressives running things in CT were not interested in victim’s rights, but in putting the church out of business.
The legislator who introduce the bill was a lesbian. The original version of the vagina monologues – the favorite play of lesbians – celebrates a statutory rape of a 13 year old girl by an older woman. Note that is exactly the age relationship in most of the priestly abuse scandals, but apparently if you’re a lesbian progressive it isn’t ok.
http://www.equityfeminism.com/articles/2000/the-good-rape-the-vagina-monologues-returns/
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I meant “its ok”.
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LSB
“I can’t count the number of Indian weddings I’ve been to with little girls as young as like 4 shaking their hips to sexy Bollywood songs. Here and in India… I even did some of that sexy hip-shaking, belly-undulating, come-hither-eyes dancing 20 years ago as a child (and up to today too).”
The absurdity of grown up men dancing, often drunk, takes the focus off them.
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We clearly need to repeal all child labor laws. Why are we allowing China to make all that money on cheap labor when we could do it here? Think about it, it would help our economy as well as teach these little monsters and their worthless parents a few lessons as well. Consider it a return to “traditional values”.
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Does Fox News read Citizen Renegade?
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2010/05/06/stars-makeup/?test=faces#slide=1
There are 24 stars and 48 pictures. LOOK at them. Especially Debbie Mazar, Miley, Tori. Its eye-opening. It queers the marketplace in the night toward the left, and most of us are unaware of it.
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Children learn by example.
Children learn by example.
Children learn by example.
So where did these children learn this from?
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Any comments about this oddity?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1274006/Chers-gender-swap-son-Chaz-Bono-officially-man.html
Is it the culmination of a lifelong attempt at parental revenge for making her very name and existence a joke? Note the pained look on Cher’s face. Also, the debasement of language is now complete, “male” now has no meaning.
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Don’t be dense, Racer. We hold the same values today as we ever had when children worked. Take care of the family, eat, prosper.
No family or country is more prosperous in this day and age with the use of child labor. Unless maybe you count Afganistan and the related crapstanistans. I highly doubt China uses child labor.
If the ends is bringing manufacturing back to the U.S., what you need is to abolish the minimum wage. There are plenty nuff underused low skill laborors in the US – the kiddies can still be enslaved to their edumacation. If you allow for race based hiring and housing decisions, no minimum wage and no welfare would have the added benefit of wiping out land valuations for the poor neighborhoods, and subsequently for the whole country. The middle class could afford a house, and save. Next all you’ve got to do is alter the legal industry such that liability claims are less profitable, lawyers fees are capped (disinsentive to the whole industry) patent law made to grant patents less easily, eliminate them entirely for some biological discoveries, make copyright law more limited and allowing for more fair use, pass lobbying reforms so that politics could be effective in promoting competition by breaking up of illegal monopoly and cartel price fixing, eliminate the FDA and the DEA, raise import taxes, invest at military spending scale in long term solar, wind, and water purification projects, use the excess power generation to distill ocean water to aerate the deserts, increase quotas for highly skilled immigration and completely cut off all other immigration, pay large sums of cash to stupid women to get their tubes tied, incentivize with large tax breaks for smart people to have kids, eliminate child support and replace with food stamps and clothing stamps for the kids, start trade schools in high school, rather than post high school, rebuild abandoned areas such as Detroit and Toledo into urban environments where housing, entertainment, and manufacture centers are closely integrated, lowering the costs for commute expenses, thus lowering product prices, invest in more rail, high speed rail and subways to lower transportation and therefore commodity prices and commute times/expenses, cut off capital flow to offshore jurisdictions and incetivize local investments, encourage victory gardens on urban rooftops, requisition abandoned property for cheap lease to small businesses, award innovation grants and popularize science and invention, remove all funding for children with special needs and apply it to children with special abilities, identify genius nationally and encourage special education for the gifted, make all government positions meritocracy based over voter chosen, as much as possible, eliminate the universal vote and replace with vote only by those who pass a test showing that their vote is informed, decriminalize and put under government taxation the marijuana and cocaine based trades, hold policemen and judges to regular review and direct democratic right to fire, slash taxes on small businesses, back with government assurance small business loans that meet are below a certain level of risk, pull out of maintaining access to oil through the military once domestic energy supplies have grown, reward government officials who prove they have increased productivity and life quality with enormous amounts of cash – equal at least to private industry payment.
And on like that.
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@xplat
“….If the ends is bringing manufacturing back to the U.S., what you need is to abolish the minimum wage. There are plenty nuff underused low skill laborors in the US – the kiddies can still be enslaved to their edumacation……The middle class could afford a house, and save. Next all you’ve got to do is alter the legal industry such that liability claims are less profitable, lawyers fees are capped (disinsentive to the whole industry) patent law made to grant patents less easily, eliminate them entirely for some biological discoveries, make copyright law more limited and allowing for more fair use, pass lobbying reforms so that politics could be effective in promoting competition by breaking up of illegal monopoly and cartel price fixing, eliminate the FDA and the DEA, ….”
I agree with all of the above, and a fair proportion of
items not quoted.
As to universal vote, I think a simpler criterion would be
“no representation without taxation”, i.e. those who
pay less into the system than they receive (and that
should include govt. employees, but probably not
those who work on competively awarded govt.
contracts in private industry) should not have a vote.
That they do leads to the pathologies we observe.
We will follow Greece into bankruptcy, but with
nobody to bail us out – unless we do drastic change.
But maybe I haver the chronology backwards; no
drastic change might be possible UNTIL the system
crashes.
Thor
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Institute breakfast, lunch, and dinner programs in schools. Requisition all produce discarded for aesthetic reasons for public food assistance programs. Eliminate all welfare payments but offer clothing, and food stamps that can only be redeemed at low cost outlets such as costco. Heat and other necessities and even some low wage are given through make-work programs, such as working on the solar and wind energy factories.
By reducing waste (all efforts that do not have economic benefit), incentivizing effort and good governance, encouraging innovation and small business, altering the population to be a smarter mix, and investing in long term energy/water/farming needs, the US could easily compete against China.
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I would add amend the constitution to remove the ability of the federal government to pass social service legislation, and return the unused taxation capacity to the state governments. Let the states run social service. Note that this would break the linkage between the Fed and Federal Government, because the Fed would no longer be enabling the Fed Gov’t to run deficits through inflation. Many states have balanced budget amendments so this would sizably reduce government. What about medicare and social security? They’re insolvent anyways – as the Fed’s last act the Fed can print money and give everyone whose paid into social security at the state level an account equal to what they paid in at the federal level.
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The Chinese have their yangste dam. Why doesn’t the US have an equally large project to extract energy from the deserts? Why? Payola is why. Big oil is big government.
China is more forward thinking and strategic and as a collective far more organized and efficient.
The US COULD be. Kill a politician.
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Where the hell is that Sniper chick when you need her? This stuff seems right up her alley.
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I think we’re closer to child orgies, public bestiality and vomitoriums than people realize.
Stuff that was unthinkable in porn 15 years ago is already mainstream. Between vile shit like these dancing kindergartners, Stickam, and the basic general consensus that there’s no such thing as dignity…
If you didn’t click the link already, check out Rollo Tomassi’s video
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@xsplat
Some good ideas, some decent ones, and some not so good. At the end of the day, though, the problem is that you are a technocrat type. You believe that certain technical adjustments can be made, and all will be fine. Unfortunately, these things never seem to happen. Yet you don’t dig deeper, you don’t ask why that is.
The reason, or at least the beginning of a reason, is that the technical problems we face are merely symptoms of a far deeper disease, one that is both spiritual (in a broad sense), cultural, and demographic. You make a few nods to this, but that’s about it – and it’s not nearly enough.
Also, it’s not just the United States that won’t follow your advice (hell, we just pretty much scrapped our space program, yet insist upon importing ever more third worlders – makes perfect sense!). It’s everybody.
Why doesn’t Brazil follow your suggestions (the good ones, anyway)? Pakistan? Why don’t ANY of the scores of shitholes across the planet, countries that could certainly stand an improvement in their situation? Or the mediocrities, for that matter?
NOBODY follows your advice, and yet you won’t think deeply enough to consider why that is. Country after country after country, not a taker in the lot. But to you it’s just self-evident, right? The fact that Thor (a guy who loves to advocate things that will never happen – and won’t happen precisely because of other things that he supports) is a fan of your approach should give you considerable pause!
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Ryder, you are full of nothing but hot air.
I know exactly why these idea won’t be followed. It has nothing to do with spiritual values either.
It is that power is a self organizing self perpetuating entity. Corruption is just another word for groups of people gaining power.
I hold no hope for democracy to root out big oil from big government.
I’m not blinded by technocratic solutions. I’m just pointing out some solutions. Who knows, maybe someone will read some of them and say, hey ya, I could work on something like that. Otherwise, it’s more entertaining than watching TV. Creative types have to create – we are compulsively driven to do so. Writers never stop writing. They can’t.
And prove me wrong that you are nothing but bloviating bloat – rather than claim I don’t understand underlying conditions – a claim even a chimp could make – make your own falsifiable assertions.
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“There is never a thug class. Unless it’s a borderline-criminal class of society, in which social rising is done chiefly through these means.”
I don’t buy this. Almost every American public high school I’ve encountered has a “thuggish” clique of rule-breakers and fuck-ups that are generally pretty successful with the ladies.
Moving to a more theoretical viewpoint – I don’t understand how brash overconfidence and a willingness to engage in risk-taking behavior would have been evolutionarily desirable traits to have in males. In the natural world, excessive confidence tends to be a largely useless and dangerous trait. For instance, if I am “confident” that I can kill a lion with my bare hands and actually attempt to do so, I’m probably never going to be heard from again. The war veterans I’ve encountered usually seem to have stories of the one idiot in the brigade who has excessive bravado, won’t follow orders and does all sorts of stupid brash stuff on the battlefield. This guy usually gets his ass handed to him pretty quickly. Lastly, naturalists have noted that males of species that engage in fighting to determine dominance, etc rarely fight each other unless they are about evenly matched. If overconfidence were really that much of a valued trait, then wouldn’t we see the scrawny underdogs still attempting to take down the “big dogs”?
Then again, I guess sexual selection and natural selection really are at odds with each other most of the time…
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xsplat: “Ryder, you are full of nothing but hot air.”
Geez, man, that hurts. Such a witty rejoinder.
xsplat: “And prove me wrong that you are nothing but bloviating bloat – rather than claim I don’t understand underlying conditions – a claim even a chimp could make – make your own falsifiable assertions.”
Wow! That really hurts. LOL!
It’s obvious to me that you don’t undrestand underlying conditions, at least not very well. No one who did would list fifty thousand “solutions” but not mention a word about why they won’t/can’t be adopted. You damn well know what I mean, too, if you have any brains at all. You may be fooling the occasional dimwit, but hopefully nobody else.
And frankly, I really wouldn’t care one way or the other about your lack of critical thought, except that you insist upon vomitting it all over the page. A zillion “solutions” without a single word as to why they won’t be adopted. Give me a break. In doing so, you distract from the real problems, by setting up false solutions that aren’t going to happen. If this blog is about anything, it should be about digging deeper than cutesy b.s. Don’t get your panties in a bunch just because I called you on it.
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You didn’t call me on anything Ryder.
I fully agree with that these solutions won’t be adopted.
Now, are you going to make any assertions? Are you going to actually make any statements at all? Say anything at all? Make any sort of contribution? Say anything that can be refuted or agreed with?
Saying that I don’t understand things is useless, unless you say more. What, exactly, do you understand, that I don’t, for instance?
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Oh good. You’ve gone to take your nap. You’ll feel a lot less cranky when you wake up.
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Omarian, it’s simple. The reason women value ambition and risk taking is that they don’t care if their husband dies. Husbands are replaceable. If he succeeds, she wins. If he dies, he gets replaced.
As for thuggish behavior, in my mind I’m thinking of social climbing and aquisition of wealth through intimidation and violence. Guns and knives.
There was none of that in my highschool. Was there in yours?
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By the way, Ryder – great riposte about me getting my panties in a bunch! Had me laughing out loud! What a remarkable wit you are.
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Xsplat, chill out, dude.
I did make one assertion in particular: namely, that your long list of solutions would not be adopted because they only address symptoms, not the core disease. You’ve since stated that you agree with this, which is jake with me. Why you would rattle off such a list of “solutions,” but then leave out that you knew they couldn’t be adopted, well, that will just have to remain a riddle to us all. Let’s just say that people don’t normally take the time to list a zillion solutions if they know they can’t be adopted, without mentioning WHY they can’t be adopted (which is the real point, don’t you think?). It’s like getting a girl into bed, but then not banging her. What exactly was the point?
Also, if you really understood the core disease, I don’t think you would fixate so much on the power of oil companies and the flaws of democracy. Not that these aren’t real problems, they certainly are, but again, they are not at the core of the matter. Though, I’ll admit, it’s getting warmer.
As the former America enters what appears to be the final act, or at least a period of great and sustained difficulty, there has to be less tolerance for so called solutions that aren’t going to happen, while ignoring the very reasons that they aren’t going to happen. Far better to say, “Here is a great list of solutions, and the thing that’s preventing us from having these great things is X, Y, or Z.” I’ve already given a strong hint as to what X, Y, and Z are.
Also, cut the nonsense about how I can’t “prove” that you don’t understand the underlying conditions. Sure, I suppose it’s possible that you are keeping your deep understanding well hidden, refusing to share with a cruel and unforgiving world. You refuse to cast your pearls before swine. That doesn’t strike me as likely, but I’ll grant that it’s possible. All I can go by is what you’ve written, and when someone can list a zillion solutions while barely addressing the issue of race, never mind the spiritual or the cultural, well, I don’t have a great of confidence that they get it.
And no, I can’t “prove” that to a certainty. In fact, believe it or not, I very much hope I’m wrong. The more people that “get it” the better, at least from my point of view.
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made me remember a South Park episode.
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Not sure if the embed worked…
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/251873
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Ryder, I’ve asked you twice. Educate me. What is the core disease?
I’m begging you dude. Teach me. I need your help.
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xsplat: “I’m begging you dude. Teach me. I need your help.”
As they say, when the student is ready, the teacher arrives. LOL! But let’s be serious for a moment, shall we?
For tonight, because this is beginning to cut into bar time, I’ll leave it at this: race. Is that the whole story? No. But it’s a lot of the story. Racial dynamics alone would prevent virtually every solution that you listed from being implemented – it’s that central, that close to the core. A multiracial society cannot and will not allow such policies, no matter how good or even necessary they may be (not all on your list were good, but some were). A multiracial society will quite literally destroy itself rather than grab the life rope that you offer. It is therefore senseless to list a zillion such solutions without mentioning something that makes it all moot.
That’s what the doctrinaire libertarians and Tea Partiers are doing. They are the first to come up with all sorts of “solutions,” while utterly ignoring the racial realities that will prevent a single one of their solutions from becoming reality. This society is so far gone, as measured by blind spots that have grown so large, that it would rather descend into third world status than admit the emperor has no clothes. Until that changes, we’re going nowhere fast, or at least nowhere good. In my modest and humble way, I’m doing what little I can to keep reality front and center, as opposed to flights of fancy and dead end thinking.
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Ballet is the way to go. Keeps a gal thin for a long time by spiking her metabolism for an extended period of time and also helps to promote good muscle memory. This is not ballet or jazz dance training. This is current hip-hop hump, which is not taught at the legitimate studios.
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LOL
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Haha.
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Xsplt, ryder
THe obvious solution is to defend eugenics as much as possible
or, the extensive merging of tech and body
those are the only solutions, as the rest arise from out humanity.
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fedrz said: “Returning to shaming girls for bad behavior is key.”
Hell, returning to shaming ANYONE for bad behavior is key these days.
And, having stripper poles in grade school… this mess (the juvenile booty-dancing) is just wrong.
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Anoukange,
Did you NOT see the open fouettes (at high speed), nearly perfect pirouettes considering age, and the girl spinning with her leg up near her head? They’re taking at least 1 hour of ballet weekly.
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Master Dogen —
Thanks for telling us to check out Rollo Tomassi’s video:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3994277/school_dances_sure_have_changed/
I think Rollo’s video is a great piece of evidence supporting HBD. The non-whites do what comes naturally – gittin’ down. as only they can. Watching that, it makes sense that black girls are typically biologically ready to breed earlier than say, Japanese girls.
In retrospect, the blacks make the whites in Roissy’s video seem very trained and organized. Roissy’s shows that a bunch of degenerate (mostly) white parents can get their kids to put on a really awesome kiddie porn extravaganza, along the lines of a Vegas show.
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OK, I have finally had a chance to view the video (could not while at the office). There’s a lot to say about it.
1) It would have been less than half as bad if they were wearing ordinary dance costumes, but still bad.
2) Pedos will be wanking to that forever.
3) Girls have a natural but latent and unconscious sexuality. Bringing it into the open prematurely, while not necessarily bad in every individual case, will have unpredictable consequences.
4) Most men won’t admit this, but is completely normal for grown men to find girls sexy once they have hit puberty. This is because it was normal for them to respond this way when they were themselves 13, and they have functional long-term memories. Although they will normally find older females even more attractive, it is not unnatural to also be attracted to younger teenagers. Furthermore, under the right social conditions girls of 14 or so can be ready for marriage, and therefore for sex.
5) There is still a sexual component in the way grown men respond to PRE-pubescent girls. It is not desire or attraction, more like appreciation; but it is a quality nonetheless, specifically responding to girls not boys, which is correlated with the eventual attractiveness of the woman the girl will become.
6) It is this last quality which is targeted by the dance routine shown in the video, which is disturbing because it blurs the distinction between items 4 and 5. It requires a fair amount of maturity for a man to be able to watch this video and understand that a response of arousal is not something to feel guilty about (the situation is even worse for a man watching the actual performance, who may encounter the same girls in person later).
7) Sniper’s Loli look should NOT be considered to have any relevance here. First of all, the costumes she designs are modest. (Don’t confuse beauty with sexiness — sniper is beautiful in those pics because she is pretty and stylish, and sexy because she is beautiful, but neither the clothes nor the poses directly appeal to sex by revealing skin or emphasizing sexual features). Second, the females wearing them are legal. Third, what makes them sexy is not that they are associated with pre-pubescence, but that they are associated with innocence. Remember that the “schoolgirl look” is sexy because girls age 14-18 in High School find ways to look sexy in their uniforms, not because single-digit kidlets wear similar uniforms.
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“1) It would have been less than half as bad if they were wearing ordinary dance costumes, but still bad.”
Oddly, it’s twice as bad without the sound on.
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“I think we’re closer to child orgies, public bestiality and vomitoriums than people realize.”
Woah now! Lets not bunch vomitoriums in with child orgies and public beastiality. I’m looking forward to the return of vomitoriums. I think they will help both my heartburn and love handles in one fell swoop. In fact, I refuse to die before I eat at least one feast with a halftime vomitorium break. Its on my bucket list.
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And Omarion. The reason females (thus nature) favors males who are irrational risk takers, is because every war throughout history has been fought with foot soldiers and cannon fodder who needed to be irrational risk takers. Being a little sociopathic helped also. Hence, nature, women, and civilizations like bad boys even though they are potentially harmful to the peace, they were essential in war, and since they die so regularly or occasionally in such large numbers, nature, women, and civilizations need to effeciently restock them, which means gina’s are programed to tingle for the warrior class. Thugs used to be useful for combat, but now we shoot things through telescopes, blow things up by remote, or push a button. Thugs no longer needed for war, so we keep them locked up in jail in the mean time.
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z:
Does Fox News read Citizen Renegade?
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2010/05/06/stars-makeup/?test=faces#slide=1
There are 24 stars and 48 pictures. LOOK at them. Especially Debbie Mazar, Miley, Tori. Its eye-opening. It queers the marketplace in the night toward the left, and most of us are unaware of it.
I’m encouraged by the fact that all the celebs that I’ve felt “meh” towards, and about whom I could never understand the appeal, have the worst before/after ratios, while the the few that I favor (Halle Berry, Abbie Cornish, Amanda Seyfried, Brooke Burke) don’t seem all that different in their photos. Good bone structure goes a long way.
Zellweger was a surprise though.
I always knew I have good taste.
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Dogen:
If you didn’t click the link already, check out Rollo Tomassi’s video
That’s low-class proles.
Doesn’t compare to the Single Ladies video.
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omarion:
I don’t understand how brash overconfidence and a willingness to engage in risk-taking behavior would have been evolutionarily desirable traits to have in males. In the natural world, excessive confidence tends to be a largely useless and dangerous trait. For instance, if I am “confident” that I can kill a lion with my bare hands and actually attempt to do so, I’m probably never going to be heard from again.
But the dude who DID kill a lion with his bare hands — how did he know he could do it before he did it?
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/07/future.contraceptives.male.pill/index.html
Male birth control gel in phase 2 trials, injects just behind. Both ahead of pills.
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Old listener, first time caller…
Whoever argues that that video is non-sexual is a moron and deserves a punch in the face.
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BUT GENDER AND SEXUALITY ARE SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS. DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?!
^ An argument commonly found in the halls of our universities. Dismantle academia. It is a cancer upon the face of our once great nation.
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28 seconds in, and my eyes are bleeding. They disabled embedding, so I went to the new url.
I think it’s kind of cute that some guys don’t view it as sexual. What it means is that they’ve short circuited because it’s like the most un-sexy thing in the world for them, and may as well be hamsters dancing to the same song.
Would that all saw it the same way. Failing that, would that no good man had ever had experiences that robbed them the luxury of being so beautifully naive.
This is the first time I’ve cried while posting here. I’ve been those little girls. My parents weren’t stupid enough to put me on stage in lingerie, but they did show me off a little too much in the, “Look at my little Christian angel,” sort of way until I rebelled. At about 14, I realized that indulging their beliefs in the Santa god too much was what had made me a beacon for perverts of both genders, took personal responsibility for changing my situation and went Deathmetalninjafreak.
This, by the way, is part of what shaped my beliefs that relationships begun when a girl reaches sexual maturity, whenever that is, need to be taken extremely seriously. At the point when a person is capable of making adult decisions with relation to their sexuality, time is up. Shielding them from the realities of life, and failing to give real guidance, is highly irresponsible and gives them unrealistic training for the future.
Up until that point though, kids need to be allowed to have a real childhood. Parents should also be very careful about how they present their kids or allow their kids to present themselves. Save the “single ladies” for when they’re in high school, actually have some booty to shake, and want guys looking at it.
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Gotta start the little girls young. Mr Tom Leykis approves of YOU raising up YOUR girls as sluts. Because once they reach legal age, we have a new supply of fresh meat.
The dance performance approaches the greatness of performances made by North Korean kids for their Dear Leader. Good effort.
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Once again Leykis’ wisdom is the only rational course of action for a hedonistic atheist with the balls to believe what he sees and not see what he believes.
So I don’t see the problem with the preschool sluts in training. All I see is another generation of girls who will grow up to be whores with daddy complexes who will be ripe for the picking after they reach the age of consent.
And when they get older and worn out they’ll be replaced by the next generation of sluts with daddy complexes. Lather, rinse, repeat until I’m worm food.
Perfect.
And BTW fuck America and western society and the long term consequences of its actions. The west has proven to me time and again that it doesn’t give one shit about me as anything other than cannon fodder with legs or a walking wallet, so why would I care about it? Fuck ’em all and fuck their precious little snowflake whore daughters, preferably in the ass after receiving a nice thorough rimjob.
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Anon-
I did, but I credit gymnastics, maybe….maybe some mild ballet.
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Anon-
also, their landings out of the turns are sloppy. The argument from most against that would be that they are young, but ballet dancers would land the the turn with perfection, so I think a gymnastics coach taught them, although they all had great extension. The study of ballet doesn’t allow for progression until what has been studied already is mastered. So, what I’m saying is, they weren’t taught by a ballet instructor to do ballet moves.
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and now for something completely different
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“so I think a gymnastics coach taught them”
Yeah, I can’t go with that as my final assessment. My experience with gymnasts bridging the gap to dance is that they end up looking uncoordinated and sometimes even “oafish”. Their superior talent in their sport doesn’t always translate to dance, although they are probably some, limited exceptions.
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I’ll just sit tight and wait for final word from Mr. Obama. His choreography to this song was much better.
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Because of course this is all the women’s fault.
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The give away is in how they are landing on their feet. Ballet pushes for soft landings, these girls are landing with their whole body and not absorbing it through their feet and ankle. (also why I can walk in heels for hours on end and not be hurting) To me, they are oafish. Not really, given their age, but compared to ballet’s soft landings, this routine is more athletic and not as graceful as ballet, therefore: gymnastic in training. Gymnasts can often be “dancers” but these girls are cheerleaders. Cheerleaders are wanna be dancers but lack the proper training.
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anoukange is reliving her glory years as a child dance student.
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Anoukange teaches the kids she nannies these routines. But she swears, its Art.
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“anon” is obviously a cheerleader.
“Cort” is obviously an accountant that works in a large office at a cubical with and scored high on math and electrical engineering. yawn. I love betas, just not bitter, boring ones.
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anoukange’s state-subsidized bastard daughter will dance the pedophile dance.
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au contraire anon, I’ve paid taxes for seventeen years and mostly in two of the highest state tax states/districts. How about you? I don’t believe in federal hand-outs, just in private, agenda driven, blood on the hands ones (wink).
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Now, for some really bad results of bad parenting:
ttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/opinion/08herbert.html?hp
Money quote:
“A lot of them are angry because their daddy’s not around and their mama’s on crack.”
No question that our society is debasing itself in many ways. My attitude towards these situations is like how that song goes:
“Here’s a quarter. Call someone who cares.”
Think how much better our world would be if more people took this attitude. We spend way to much time worrying about things we really can’t change, or should change. That singer takes the attitude that it is quite alright with him if you choose to *uck yourself over. Ain’t my problem.
Hey, Cool Dude. You encourage girls to have babies out of wedlock. Cool, Big Daddy. Just keep them checks comin’. Hey, man, you want crack to be easily available? You use crack, too? Just bad, is all, about them kids killing each other and all. But, hey, you have done really well for yourself and your children as a community organizer from Chicago. Just sayin’.
(Sorry about the drift from the main topic, but, just couldn’t resist.)
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Sigh.
Social conservatives will always claim liberalism has good intentions, but only accidentally creates bad outcomes. They overlook that the rot is not coming from ideas, but from people. Weakness, poverty, perversion– these are not consequences of a noble theory gone wrong, for they are deliberate goals of a self-destructive agenda. Think of it as a cosmic abortion, where we all fade away into a phony Nirvana, an abyss of Nothingness sponsored by the dutiful welfare state.
So things will get worse before they get… worse still. Conservatives are dumb, ignorant, and incompetent, which is why even Muslim reactionaries have yet to destroy this cultural abomination, this grotesque spectacle.
Idiocracy, yes, is upon us. Run for the hills!
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Sick (not in a good way).
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I’ve been thinking of involuntary sterilization/parental licensing as a solution for quite some time now – which I find frightening as a non-fascist, limited gov’t enthusiast. But if this is the alternative…
I mean, you need a license to fish, but they let drug addicts go home from the hospital with their infants.
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Moralizing whiners, all of you!
If any of you had ever studied dance you would know how difficult it is to pull off a good group routine.These girls have got some great moves, and doing them in those skimpy outfits ought to be winning them raves from everyone.
I fondly recall helping many young women master tough dance sequences and how they beamed with a sense of accomplishment after mastering difficult routines.
Watching this video makes me want to come out of retirement and volunteer at the local girl’s dance academy.
The rest of you should be ashamed of your filthy outlook on life.
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Uncle Elmer — yah, sure. And strippers are just performance artists, and the guys with dollar bills are patrons of the arts.
Another ridiculous thing about this video is the mismatch of whites and hip hop. Ever since the early 90s when a segment of white pop culture went hip hop, I detested its dance moves that emphasize unnatural (for non-Africans) ass puckering, stomping, and female vulgarity.
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anoukange-
So I can understand you better, you have got me interested. Do you consider yourself a conservative or liberal? And, did you vote for Obama? Thanks
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I agree with some sort of parenting license. The only problem is… who would administer it, who would determine the standards to pass, and who in turn would regulate the agency to make sure they don’t become corrupt?
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@Uncle Elmer
Watching this video makes me want to come out of retirement and volunteer at the local girl’s dance academy.
If that doesn’t pan out, I hear Thailand is nice this time of year.
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well done~! I’d follow in about the evils of feminism and what not…but overall I say a resounding “here-here”.
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“I agree with some sort of parenting license”
Not me. The last thing we need is the government meddling any more with the family unit. Let the parents raise their children their own way as they see fit. If they turn out to be losers, well that’s just good news for the children who were raised right. Less competition in the job market is always good. Let them change your oil instead of stealing your white collar job. Good.
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That’s my point, though. Ideally, the license sounds great. But again, who would actually administer it and not become corrupt? And more importantly, would anybody want to live in a society where that kind of power is granted to an entity? These questions render it impractical and a morally unethical.
It’s kind of the same with communism. It attracted a lot of people who bought into the “let’s share everything and be happy”. Yet no one can deny its severe and unintended consequences.
The simplest solution would be for government to halt the transfer of wealth from men to their avaricious ex spouses, thus neutralizing a powerful incentive for women to raise children alone.
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Time to institute mandatory drug testing for all mothers/fathers of families on welfare.
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You are right, A Simple Girl. Parental licensing is never, ever going to be acceptable to the majority of Americans. It would raise all sorts of questions about government authority, eugenics, individual rights, reproductive freedom, etc., that would be very difficult to answer.
However, there are already parents who have to submit to “licensing” by state certified social workers – they are called adoptive parents. And they have to pay for their own screenings.
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Juro, just make sure not to call someone a loser while they’re changing your oil.
At least they’re working, which is more than I can say for a great many white collar people whose jobs could be done, often better, by a computer.
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Juro, do not confuse “white collar” work with work that produces value.
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Flipping burgers, then?
How about sweeping the floor, or cleaning the restrooms?
Or am I being too harsh?
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First I wondered how anyone could see anything sexual in this. Then I realized this is the preferred body-type of most of the commenters here.
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“First I wondered how anyone could see anything sexual in this. Then I realized this is the preferred body-type of most of the commenters here.’
That you can’t see sexual in this tells me that homo sapiens isn’t your body type.
Do you see something sexual when a dog rests his fore legs on a bitch’s back?
Polymath very well thought out analysis, especially this:
“5) There is still a sexual component in the way grown men respond to PRE-pubescent girls. It is not desire or attraction, more like appreciation; but it is a quality nonetheless, specifically responding to girls not boys, which is correlated with the eventual attractiveness of the woman the girl will become.”
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Juro, I guess that makes your mom a loser.
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On the bright side, our illegitimate sons will have an easier time banging girls…
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most relevant:
watch the judges carefully…
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/251871/
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anon said-
“anoukange-
So I can understand you better, you have got me interested. Do you consider yourself a conservative or liberal? And, did you vote for Obama? Thanks”
I live in DC, and I’m white (albeit a mixed white), but my vote doesn’t count here. So no, I didn’t vote for socialism.
I believe in hard work and good work ethic (my half German father owns his own business along side his brothers and pure German father), they taught me well. I despise lazy people, especially ones that bitch a lot (not gonna name names here). Fuckers. I’m somewhat republican in money beliefs but I hate big government. I believe you should either pay taxes, or own property and should have to take an IQ test before you can vote, but I’m dreaming there. I believe in separation of church in state. I hate the gays. Well, not really, but I find them annoying and there seems to be more of them then ever now and it’s leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth every time I want to pop into a shop on U St. and they are making out in the corner. And they wear too much sparkly shit. Flamboyancy is not good taste, it’s flamboyancy. Blacks here in DC are huge moochers and are lazy. Latinos work hard but need to stop fucking, they have too many kids. Asians still can’t drive. Abortion should remain legal but any girl should only be able to get one in a lifetime. I believe in stem cell research and always support the study and funding of science. The arts should be funded by those that like art, not the general public via government tax money since most of the general public has no taste anyway. I believe in the right to bare arms, although I question being able to bring a gun into a bar or a place that serves alcohol. Maybe a hash bar, but no fire water holes. I believe in helping and protecting the less fortunate but with an individual’s preference, not government forced. Basically, I look at the issues individually, which makes voting difficult. I am liberal for myself but not for my country. I would vote conservative for the US right now in general because it needs it. I do not vote according to what I want or need, (I’ll just break the laws under the radar like I do when I smoke a joint outside of the Black Cat in an alley so I can enjoy a good show inside) I vote according to what the country may need at any given time. Right now, the US needs to lean towards the right to counter the flaming liberals fucking up all that was good about freedom of choice. So, I am an independent. Hey, hey let’s go!
[editor: now you’re just flirting with me. so obvious.]
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“I believe in the right to bare arms”
Where are sleeveless tees mentioned in the Constitution?
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Logical result of a left wing, matriarchal welfare state.
Bring on the kiddie-thugs and prostitots.
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anouk,
I liked your self-described politics, which are reasonable and coherent (though I suspect you are much more willing to state them here than on your own blog because artsy types will be scared off by your political incorrectness). But I especially liked your slip about the right to “bare arms”. I wouldn’t object to your baring as much as you want.
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Dat Truth-
I will not have nor do I support having children out of wedlock. The state should not pay for the personal preference of having children. I separate money from personal choices. Federal money should be spent on things that benefit the nation on a mass level. Private money should fund personal preferences. I understand that this doesn’t happen so government gets involved. My parents have been marred for 38 years. If I get married, I’m only doing it once. What I do as a 32 year old woman would never be what I would advise or parent to a girl under 25. If it’s hypocritical to not lead by example and my daughter wants to challenge me on it, I will tell her she can do as she pleases when she’s in her late twenties, early thirties. Under that, it’s my call and she will have to like it. No tattoos, no piercings, no stupid shit like that. Classical ballet study, steady boyfriend and good grades. I did all of this as a youth. I chose to test my boundaries when I was older and it’s a phase. If moralists are strict moralists then I can understand their objections to me. I get it. But I am a relative moralist. I just can’t put structure ahead of life, life always teaches me to adjust to it. Plus, my morals having nothing to do with religion, they’re more humanity based.
Polymath-
Bingo. The current climate of the arts makes me politically incorrect. My objections to gays has nothing to do with me not liking that they like penis, it’s that they have ruined the art and design world by saturating it with political correctness. EVERYBODY is an artist if they have an emotion!!! I hate it. Pay your dues, learn the fucking skills. I am heavily influenced by Bauhaus methodology so that may help to explain my lack of patience. Emotion has its place in art but so does skill of the presentation of the ideas and moods. I like higher standards because it pushes for better competition and it excels those who have real skill. The market’s money is being spread around too much to include anyone who took a paint by numbers class and it’s resulting in less quality.
Also, I grew up seeing nude art. I have no objections to the naked female and male form. Tasteful photography and painting of the female form, regardless of who she is, equals beauty and art to my eyes. Sorry. Hey, we started out that way. It has it context, so children shouldn’t be exposed but they shouldn’t be given complexes about it either.
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Their parents should be shot.
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Roissy,
[editor: now you’re just flirting with me. so obvious.]
haha. She likes you man. Thats why I asked her, I wanted to see how much her political views aligned. I’d bang it out a couple times, I bet she’d be pretty good.
anoukange,
I have to admit, I thought you would be a loony lib. You seem like you have some intelligence. I like your style.
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@anouk: Emotion has its place in art but so does skill of the presentation of the ideas and moods. I like higher standards because it pushes for better competition and it excels those who have real skill.
Another way of saying it:
I have a suspicion that T.S. Eliot would not be a fan of fiat money or butthex videotaping withhout the girl’s permission while having neocons lie about your height being six feet tall.
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Strippers dance the way they do in order to inspire the men in the audience to want to have sex right then and there – with them.
Just sayin…
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A baby example: http://www.intouchweekly.com/2010/05/in_touch_exclusivein_the_kitch.php
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“the RCC is the foremost ideological opponent of progressives/cultural marxists.”
Baloney!
The progressives are having their best ideological interests served by the Catholic Church, because they work their butts off to import as many Hard Leftist Non-White voters into America as possible.
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“If that doesn’t pan out, I hear Thailand is nice this time of year.”
Even the gooks don’t deserve to have their children defiled by disease ridden Roissey fans.
Still, better them than American or European girls.
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“Woah now! Lets not bunch vomitoriums in with child orgies and public beastiality. I’m looking forward to the return of vomitoriums. I think they will help both my heartburn and love handles in one fell swoop. In fact, I refuse to die before I eat at least one feast with a halftime vomitorium break. Its on my bucket list.”
Well said.
Sometimes people will group two horrible things with something where there isn’t actually anything wrong with it, and this tends to undermine public morality in my opinion.
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“Women are motivated to status. Find a way to shame them that shows them they will not have access to wealth and stability and status, and it would work. Because the women would tell each other that.
If you want them to return to long term monogamy, you have to show them the money.
Not the social benefits. The money.”
The answer is Polygamy. A Woman can get access to a far higher status Man under a regime of Polygamy than she ever could with Monogamy.
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The basic issue here is that the average Man isn’t a Pedophile, it doesn’t take much modesty from Pre-Pubescent Girls to stop from turning Men on.
But somehow the parents of these stupid little girls have managed to break through the Pedophilia barrier, and sexualize them to a point where even non-Pedophiles are going to feel unnatural feelings.
And the thing is there’s no evolutionary reason for a sex who isn’t bleeding yet to have sex, and almost certainly it’s highly damaging when they do.
The Prophet Mohammad married Aisha when she was 9, but:
1. These girls look younger than 9.
2. Mohammad waited until she reached maturity before he consummated the marriage.
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“And the thing is there’s no evolutionary reason for a sex who isn’t bleeding yet to have sex”
Even watching the video for 10 seconds caused serious brain damage!
In Iran you stupid little sluts would be hung from cranes, and it would serve you right for trying to destroy the glory that is the male brain.
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Also Strippers should be hung from cranes until dead.
They’re asking for it, and it’s not like they have anything of actual value to offer Men (or Women for that matter).
All they do is distract Men from Women who are actually of any value, and distract us from things like keeping society going against the tide of Liberalism and Feminism.
There’s a reason Men turned into pathetic little slaves of Women only AFTER Pornography and Nude Strip Clubs were legalized.
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Reginald,
“The basic issue here is that the average Man isn’t a Pedophile, it doesn’t take much modesty from Pre-Pubescent Girls to stop from turning Men on.
But somehow the parents of these stupid little girls have managed to break through the Pedophilia barrier, and sexualize them to a point where even non-Pedophiles are going to feel unnatural feelings.”
is a good point, similar to the one I made above.
I think that what happened here is that the adults involved were either women who don’t understand how this comes across to men, or male relatives of the girls whose anti-incestuous instincts prevented them from seeing how sexy it was, or male judges and contest officials who imagined that their own reaction to the sexy display was perverted and shameful and so did not speak up, or wimpy males who folded after speaking privately to the girls’ coach or one of their mothers and being told that anyone who would think this was anything but innocent fun was either a benighted conservative yahoo or a pedophile.
A single brave adult could have stopped this. Of course its inevitable notoriety on the internet will shame most of the adults involved into realizing that they screwed up (they might still not believe there was any real harm in it but they will for sure realize that they misunderstood our society’s moral standards, which have not completely disappeared).
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By the way, you’re wrong about Aisha — she was betrothed to Mohammed at 6, and 9 is when the marriage was actually consummated (according to most sources although one source says 10).
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Yeah but Arab girls have always matured much faster.
White and Asian girls are the slowest maturing…
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“I think that what happened here is that the adults involved were either women who don’t understand how this comes across to men, or male relatives of the girls whose anti-incestuous instincts prevented them from seeing how sexy it was, or male judges and contest officials who imagined that their own reaction to the sexy display was perverted and shameful and so did not speak up, or wimpy males who folded after speaking privately to the girls’ coach or one of their mothers and being told that anyone who would think this was anything but innocent fun was either a benighted conservative yahoo or a pedophile.”
Polymath,
I think that is what happened as well.
Unbelievable that the Male Contest Officials are so insecure and weak in their status as Non-Pedophile Men that they were afraid to speak up, when the sexual display was so freakishly blatant.
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I really wonder what goes through the minds of parents who would skank up their five year old daughters. Preparing them for a world of assholes, players and game?
I would only add “idiots” to your assholes, players, and game list and yes; they’re doing a fine job of it.
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They were waiting for her to reach maturity in those 3 years. A marriage cannot be consummated if the parties are not adults (puberty in islamic law). I think that’s what Reginald was getting at.
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@anoukange,
“yawn. I love betas, just not bitter, boring ones.” .. you will certainly love me .. i am neither alpha nor beta … but a sneaky fucker .. oh wait .. you have had one of those lately i guess .. oh well.
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Anonymous
“First I wondered how anyone could see anything sexual in this. Then I realized this is the preferred body-type of most of the commenters here.”
What most people are experiencing here is confusion, or cognitive dissonance, over non-sexualized bodies gyrating in an obviously hyper-sexualized way. Cognitive dissonance causes a state of unease. Its hard to state that without psycho-babble jargon, but I just did for the benefit of the class. I’m smart like that. You on the other hand are a naive idiot, and if you wouldn’t mind, may I bounce your niece up and down on my knee to play horsey? Just for fun and all.
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@tunacanman
“most relevant:
watch the judges carefully”
An honest to god LOL! Southpark is the closest thing we have to unbiased social commentary in the MSM.
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Little girls dreams of a pony for Christmas have been replaced with dreams of a brass pole.
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“Oh and if you don’t think every single one of those girls will lose her virginity by 16 you are crazy.”
I intended to comment on this concept the other day and forgot.
I’m not sure the correlation between the moves exhibited in the video and teen promiscuity is as strong as you suggest. For those who don’t have close exposure to the dance world (presumably most here, since it’s usually all male commentors), the “special snowflake” syndrome Roissy mentions- yeah, TEN-FOLD in the dance world. You can’t even begin to imagine it. Not even an ounce of humility is encouraged. So, I’m thinking despite the dancing you’ve seen, these girls won’t be giving it up that easily.
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“the “special snowflake” syndrome Roissy mentions- yeah, TEN-FOLD in the dance world. You can’t even begin to imagine it. Not even an ounce of humility is encouraged. So, I’m thinking despite the dancing you’ve seen, these girls won’t be giving it up that easily.”
I think your logic is backwards. Being a whore is just what an special little snowflake finds empowering.
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“Emotion has its place in art but so does skill of the presentation of the ideas and moods. I like higher standards because it pushes for better competition and it excels those who have real skill.”
Nicely put.
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Call me beta, I wrote this a long time ago, but it’s never seemed so appropriate.
Daughters of the world rejoice,
your wishes have been heard,
the slums of love are emptied out,
to get what you deserved.
A thousand lonely suitors spurned,
into Cassanova made,
a thousand airy promises,
to prop up your charade.
With your useless armor rent,
you’ll pay submissions fee,
night will give your heart’s content,
by morning you’ll be free.
When the years have left you dry,
the dance is all but done,
your flowers all lie wilting,
in the absence of the sun.
The price you pay for what you want,
is counted in the years,
that wait for you beyond your youth,
with nothing left but tears.
The knights have been vanquished
perished into a dream,
and on a throne of bitter hearts,
the rogue reigns supreme.
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Shit, I meant:
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Jabberwocky:
“You on the other hand are a naive idiot, and if you wouldn’t mind, may I bounce your niece up and down on my knee to play horsey? Just for fun and all.”
Haha, around here they say that “a dog that is hit cries out.” Apparently my comment wasn’t a miss.
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Lupo, any idea how the Ross sisters’ lives turned out? One caveat is back then, most men were justified in killing men who took advantage of their daughters.
But, a couple of those moves looked absolutely painful. A pretzel doesn’t even bend like that.
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Cyrano, I like that poem. Do you mind if I repost it on G4G? Is this your normal pseudonym or do you use another?
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“Haha, around here they say that “a dog that is hit cries out.” Apparently my comment wasn’t a miss.”
Around here, they say “Let sleeping dogs lie.”
Apparently your comment deserved a snarky rebuttle you silly little twat because it WAS a massive miss. What, you think my decision to insult your intelligence was due to you hurting my feelings somehow? I’m sure you think bullies have low self esteem to. Maybe my rebuttal had to do with me violently disagreeing with you, or maybe, your lack of intelligence as revealed by your defense of puerile parents pedophilically presenting their pre-pubescent princesses for the peering peepers of perverts pissed me off! Bark, Bark, biaaatch! I bet your dog don’t cry out in alliteration when you kick him just because your pissed off at your husband. I’m a whole nother breed than your used to kunt and I bite.
And I know you’re a women because your response was so pathetically weak. Now go make a sandwich and leave the thinking to us men folk.
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Nicole, go ahead and repost it if you’d like.
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Thank you, Cyrano 🙂
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Jabberwocky:
“And I know you’re a women because your response was so pathetically weak.”
And I know you’re a man, because you’re in such a hurry to embarrass yourself.
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i was just reading some stuff on strauss and howe generational theory and it brought this post to mind. in particular this quote:
ask a woman how she sees herself or what adjectives that she aims to embody and there’s a good chance that “sexy” will be mentioned. was this the case before the baby boomer generation? would any woman pre-1955 or so ever admit to wanting to be “sexy”? would they even understand what it meant? certainly women have always wanted to be attractive to the other sex, but i imagine that most women sought to be attractive as potential mates first and as sexual partners second.
the other thing that occurs to me is that many girls in their 20s aren’t all that sexy, nor do they seem to be trying to be sexy. granted, i’m in DC and that means a certain type of person, but most young women seem to be perpetually aiming to come off more “professional” or “authoritative” than sexy. part of the reason is that they mistakenly assume that what makes men attractive will also make women attractive. the other part is that they’re generally more interested in their own careers and their own lives than they are in finding a husband and starting a family.
when i look at that video i see a group of little girls trying really hard to be successful at the task they were given. they’re not trying to be sexy or slutty; i doubt they know what that means. the sluttiness is the result of their mothers projecting their own wishes onto their kids.
it’s easy to assume that every successive generation gets sluttier and sluttier, but is that really the case? there’s a good chance that this generation and the next will largely rebel against the sort of thing we see in the video. that is the optimistic scenario at least. my personal belief is that we are going to see a continually divergent society where delayed, but mostly successful marriages with one or two high-achieving children becomes the norm for the upper classes while the lower classes slide
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“on May 12, 2010 at 9:23 am Anonymous
Jabberwocky:
“And I know you’re a women because your response was so pathetically weak.”
And I know you’re a man, because you’re in such a hurry to embarrass yourself.”
Bitch, that doesn’t make any sense. I’d shut the fuck up if I was you. I’m a whole new breed of man, and I don’t give a fuck about your kkkunt, you’re just another flesh bag to me with a couple extra organs. You wanted ekwality, well here it is. Sit down, keep your weak ass opinions to yourself, and stop trying to play ball with the older boys. This ain’t even your sport. And BTW, I lost the ability to be embarrassed a long time ago, so by all means, dance bitch, dance. I’ll join you. This monkey ain’t scared of the spotlight. I like the fucking attention. It fills the void where my soul used to be.
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This looks nothing like the ballet routines I used to do when I was younger…
I would never subject my child to that. It’s horrible. This is the equivalent to child beauty pageants with five year olds wearing makeup and hair extensions and caps on their teeth. ew.
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The rep for the dance show says there was nothing provocative about their performance:
http://www.popeater.com/2010/05/14/single-ladies-little-girls/
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