I’ve analyzed a lot of game scenes from classic movies, so how about a good game scene from a modern movie? Check out Javier Bardem’s character running uber direct game on Scarlett Johansson and some other chick simulating an American lawyer cunt.
Ok, there are a few key moments during this interaction that set the alpha tempo for Juan Antonio and enable him to get away with everything else that he says. When you go in strong and let a girl know right away that you are the prize, she will be much more forgiving of any “crazy” stuff you may decide to say later. Call it the Alpha Absolution Theory of courtship.
At 0:46, Juan walks behind a plant and is momentarily obstructed from the girls’ view. A minor coincidence, yes, but one that heightens the tension the girls are undoubtedly feeling. I wonder if Woody Allen knew this when he directed the shot? You may think this silly, but temporarily disappearing from a girl’s line of sight is a subconscious trick on her psyche that triggers in her a “threat of loss” anxiety. Knowing this, try walking behind something on your next approach; say, behind a large column or a group of people, then reappearing close by her.
0:46 – 0:55 Juan’s body language is half his game. His gait is steady and slow, his face expressionless except for the flash of a slight wry smile. When he approaches, he takes his sweet time getting there. Also notice how he lets his gaze deliberately linger on the less attractive/less playful Vicky first, and then switches looking at Cristina. He knows, before he’s even said one word, who the potential cockblock is and how the process of disarming her takes precedence before anything else. Always address the less attractive/more anal retentive girls in a group first, unless it’s a mixed group of men and women, in which case address the men first.
0:57 “American?” Perfect opener. The girls are expecting him to say something typical, like “What’s your name?”. Instead, he opens with a one word question. With openers, laconic often beats loquacious for leaving a sharp impression. Furthermore, he avoids overgaming by opening in a manner that is bolder than normal, yet not spastically “creative”.
1:02 When a girl offers you her name, the gentlemanly thing to do is give your name in return. Which is why you shouldn’t do it. Juan replies to Cristina with a question about the color of her eyes instead. Totally out of left field, and that is why she squirms a little in her panties.
1:10 – 1:19 He gets right to the point. Obviously, this isn’t going to work in most situations, but the take-home lesson is that women are attracted to men who lead, command, and direct. Women want to be marionettes, dangling languorously from the hands of a skilled puppeteer.
1:25 – 1:30 When Cristina asks “What’s in Oviedo?”, Juan replies that he wants to see a sculpture that is “very inspiring to him”. This part is important. Juan does not qualify himself by attempting to appease or impress the girls by describing entertaining things in Oviedo that await *them*. Instead, he explains he’s going for his own selfish reasons. Only after does he then say they would enjoy it as well.
1:37 – 1:52 Apocalypse Opener. Do you dare?
2:00 – 2:09 If you’re going to do direct game, you’ll have to be prepared for hardcore rejections. It comes with the territory. How you handle them can mean the difference between an embarrassing exit and a momentum change in your favor. Juan answers Vicky’s rejection with a poetic rebuke to, basically, seize their inner sluts.
2:11 Two minutes into the conversation and he finally gives his name. Well played. Make the girls work for your identity. Note, too, how it was the sphincterly pinched Vicky who demanded he show his papers. Cristina would’ve spent a week with him before thinking to ask his name.
2:17 – 2:20 He purposefully mixes up their names. “Or is it the other way around?” Nice neg. It subtly drives a wedge between the two girls. I’ll have to remember that one.
2:27 – 2:49 After Vicky acts like a bitch, Juan remains unfazed, complimenting the both of them for being “so lovely and beautiful”. Then he addresses Cristina directly about her friend’s ability to “squeeze the charm” out of life. Classic “let’s you and her meow”. If he had been approaching Vicky alone, this tactic might not work. But with Cristina there, he’s able to inspire competition between the two for who is the more romantic and adventurous woman.
3:06 Vicky’s bitch shield is down. She invites him to join them for drinks. Why does she do this? Because, one, she’s attracted to Juan’s brazen alphatude and two, she sees that Cristina is into him, so she doesn’t want to appear the spoilsport of the bunch.
3:18 “What offended you about the offer?” It’s never a good idea to argue with a cockblock, but in this case Juan manages to press Vicky with a probing question that is followed up immediately by a reiteration of his earlier compliment that they are both beautiful. Also, if you will confront a recalcitrant bitch, the only way to pull it off is with preternatural grace under pressure.
3:45 – 3:55 Juan evades Vicky’s bitching and turns his attention to Cristina. Textbook backturn takeaway. And the “When I saw you across the room, I noticed you have” line is straight out of the direct game playbook.
4:02 – 4:28 Direct game takes balls, and it also takes a willingness to absorb rejection without flinching. Never let ’em see you sweat. Juan makes his pitch, allows a moment for it to sink in, and prepares his exit, admonishing the girls to “think it over”. Calm throughout. It helps that the plane is a major DHV.
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Look, this is an extreme form of direct game. Most men will not be able to pull this off credibly, as the skill level involved is very high. Plus, the context has to be working in your favor. The girls are in Spain, and are already in a frame of mind where they are expecting to be swept off their feet by a swarthy Latin Lothario hypnotizing them with the verbal equivalent of romantic glow sticks. If you’re a pasty Northwest European white man in a beach town club in New Jersey approaching pasty NW European girls sucking down Miller Lights, this sort of headily seductive direct game may not go over as well. But it is another arrow in your quiver of game techniques, and shouldn’t be ignored just because it won’t work in every situation. Direct game can be a powerful adjunct to your regular routine. Like, say, when you’re a NW European pasty white male approaching two Russian girls in your country on vacation, and they find your ethnicity and command of the local environs alluringly exotic.

Awesome scene! Love the deadpan expression.
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“Since the AO has such potential for generating humorous and humiliating stories, I plan to purchase a small voice recorder that I will hide under my shirt when I do future AO attempts. Then I will post the audio on my blog for your edification.”
Yeah, whatever happened to that? I looked forward to that for weeks.
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He also knew he already had high value in their eyes before he even approached. They knew he was an artist of some repute and had a steamy history w/women (which being an artist or some repute tends to bring with), and he knew that they knew having seen him in that context in a prior venue. As well if anyone looks like an alpha Latin male, Bardem does.
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It’s an awesome movie for game overall. Mostly relationship game.
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The girls’ voices alone tell you the difference between them. The brunette is flat and nasal. ScarJo is breathy and curious. I wonder if it’s good acting or good casting.
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this is acted and therefore not very relevant.
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I’m glad you recognized this. Social proof and DHV have everything to do with context. Granted, this is a movie and the context is scripted in, but for sake of example:
• The guy is an artist (I remember your sidewalk artist’s Game post), and not simply a starving student, but a gallery showing artist successful enough to entertain two women on a private plane. Evidence of his talent and social proof are already assumed – pre-qualification.
• He’s from a different culture which affords him a degree of social forgiveness for being so forward. It’s easy to fall back on a childlike innocence when you have a cultural divide. Not that Juan uses that fail-safe, but the subtext is evident and in a real situation it could be.
• They are the only two women present. The environment lacks any other legitimate sexual competition so the context increase their sense of self-appreciation. HB 6s think they’re HB 9s when they are the only girls in the vicinity.
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Nicely analyzed.
I enjoyed that movie immensely.
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Good film, by the way. Penelope Cruz was outstanding.
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that is one perfectly delivered neg.
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And if you’d like to mix it up from time-to-time, there’s always this variation: http://www.hulu.com/watch/134732/saturday-night-live-encounter-with-martine/
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This movie bored my head off, but thanks to game now I can laugh and laugh and laugh at the details.
Thank you Roissy for making a multitude of serials, movies palatable.
The blonde seems to be loving the look of downtown at the end.
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crap. I’ve been meaning to watch this movie.
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Welcome back Rollo.
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Roissy,
I just wanted to say that I’ve been reading your blog for about 6 months. I’ve learned so much from this site and I’ve tried my best to apply the lessons to my real life. I can say now I am having more success with women than I ever even dreamed possible. I have 5-6 women calling me to hang out on a daily basis. I’ve met dozens of women by straight cold approaches and made tons of new friends. One of my regulars will even go out on dates with other guys and order me food to go ON THEIR BILL. Then she’ll come over and tell me how lame they are before I proceed to preform unmentionable acts upon her.
I know it’s going to sound lame but I just wanted to say thanks. This blog, along with a few more resources has made my quality of life immeasurably better and infinitely more enjoyable. You’re the man, keep up the great work. It is sincerely appreciated. – jtx
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That guy is simply the master. I have tried equally stunning apocalypse openers, usually in a foreign venue, and some have worked, but the risk of nuclear failure is high. Not for the faint-hearted.
@ SPB: I think a lot of readers have similar stories. I can say that Roissy has helped me more than a platoon of shrinks. I recommend this blog to every guy I know; they usually get hooked and discover important things abour themselves. A few special gals who can handle the truth are indoctrinated into the mystery as well.
Roissy doesn’t need additional ego boosts, but the bottom line is, this blog changes lives.
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Hilarious the small few glances that “Christina” takes at his groin.
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Roissy, excellent analysis. However, I think you missed a few caveats that allow him to act like this:
1) The girls already know he is famous. They’re talking about it before he comes over. He gets alpha points in their minds for that—as well as more leeway.
2) Social proof. He sitting with a group of people, obviously the center of attention. A proven alpha even before his feet hit the floor.
3) Not merely famous, but a famous artist. Like being a famous musician (see Bowie, David or Prince), it forgives a lot of awkwardness and weirdness, because, being of a certain class, he is expected be weird and strange. In fact, his manner is so direct and odd I wouldn’t be surprised if Allen based it on a young David Bowie.
4) “Bad divorce.” The girls know something of his romantic life, and it is scandalous. They’re intrigued at what is going on. Mystery and pain. Honey to flies.
5) Finally, the old SNL line about sexual harassment: “Be attractive.” He’s a tall, attractive man, not a runty wuss like Allen. One wonders if Allen fantasizes about looking like him.
I agree, his handling of the situation is masterful. However, he clearly has some alpha points in the women’s eyes before he makes his first move. That assists him greatly in his direct game.
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Hi All, a couple of weeks ago some of us were having dinner and we got to talking about tango, how each of us got interested and what it means to us.
The easiest way to use this note is to open the YouTube clip and keep it in an open window where you can stop and start it while scrolling through the commentary.
First of all, some background, this scene is where Al Pacino plays Lt Col Frank Slade, a retired US Army Ranger. He’s blind, not because of a war injury, but rather because of a stupid game he once played with a grenade. He’s an angry drunk without any direction and a bit of a burden on his family who hire Charlie played by Chris O’Donnel to “baby-sit” him.
Charlie needs the money for school and he and Frank form a unique bond. In this scene, Frank asks Charlie to take him to this fancy hotel where later in the movie he has plans…which I won’t spoil. Cue up the clip….let’s start:
00:12 Frank walks by the table and senses there’s a young lady nearby so stops and says “I”m feeling…”(note the pause here)… you’re being neglected”. Note the direct approach. Note the tango music filling those pauses as the tension builds. Charlie’s shocked and the girl, Donna is taken off-guard by the direct approach and begins pushing back.
00:20 “Instantly?” I love this. He’s not leaving. He’s blind but he can sense her discomfort but he’s also confident without being annoying. It’s a tense moment. Note also the body language that exudes confidence. He’s blind, has no depth perception but he’s looking directly at her. Charlie meantime is shuffling and awkward. The contrast is important in understanding what Donna does next.
00:38 “Would you mind if we waited with you?….then adds that great line: “just to keep the womanizers from bothering you.” Funny. Smart. She accepts.
00:45 Check out the look on Donna’s face. She stares at him, not in disbelief but with that look that women give when they’re trying to figure out whether or not a guy is full of shit. Frank doesn’t move.
1:00 Great line here. Note how he compliments her. He doesn’t compliment the obvious, he compliments her taste by saying “I detect a fragrance in the air….” he’s constantly surprising her and building up the tension thereby increasing the attraction. Here Donna begins to open up. Frank doesn’t miss a beat “I”m crazy about your grandmother.” Another way of indirectly complimenting Donna without appearing needy or subservient.
1:38 “How does he look like he’s holding out?” Note how he asks Donna’s opinion, again building up her comfort by engaging her and bringing her into his world.
1:54 Here it is…this is where the seduction escalates. Up to now Frank has been slowly testing her levels of comfort, first with asking to join her, second by complimenting her taste and bringing her into his world by using Charlie as a foil.
Then this: “So Donna, do you tango?” Pause. The look on her face again is “OMG…” But the tension is a mixture of excitement and fear. She is just starting to like Frank and suddenly he throws out another question which is a veiled invite to dance. She says she was going to learn “But”…. note how Frank doesn’t miss a beat on this, he actively listens by engaging her again “But?” he replies with a question. This is a great response.
The exchange that follows is interesting. She brings up the “boyfriend” saying she wanted to learn tango but “Michael thinks the tango is hysterical.”
Frank picks up on this right away. He senses that Michael is a dick and she’s not that happy with him. Michael, the one you’re waiting for….he pushes her buttons on this reminding her he’s late reminding her of his initial comment about feeling “neglected”. She’s again being drawn into Frank’s world.
Then he demolishes Michael with one line: “I think Michael’s hysterical.” He could have said this any number of ways. He could have defended his interest in the tango. He could have sold her on it “Oh, it’s nice, you’ll see…” But that would have been needy. Instead, he picks up on the cues she’s been dropping and says “I think Michael’s hysterical.”
2:35 Note the cutaway to the expression on Charlie’s face when Frank then goes direct and asks if she wants to learn. Charlie’s thinking “Oh shit…this guy’s blind, wtf!??” Again the tension in this scene builds where we’re wondering how far is Frank going to push this and can he pull it off?
2:56 Donna says she’s “Afraid of making a mistake”… Frank gives the line that seals the seduction. It’s revealing about himself, playful and taps deep into her own sense of growing fascination with him:
“No mistakes in tango Donna, not like life….”
4:05 Watch how she cradles his hand. Again, she’s giving off unconcsiou signals that she’s totally into Frank. Watch how he responds by taking her hand. Hers is an unconscious response, he again picks up on the attraction cue. It’s subtle. He doesn’t look at his hand while he does it, he just responds as a reward for her outreach. The acting is superb. Often reviewers will talk about “on-screen chemistry” but this is really what it means. The details and responses are so subtle but real.
“What follows next is either one of the best or worst tangos in the history of cinema.
But it feeds back to what Noelia said about wanting a man to seduce her. In this sequence, Donna completely trusts Frank and has agreed to go on the dance floor with an awkward older guy whose movements are restricted by his blindness, but more to the point, a lack of depth perception.
His approach is entirely sensual. He’s completely playful at first dipping her at 4:56 where she looks scared shitless but slowly she stops thinking about what she looks like and starts to move with him.
5:27 Look at Donna’s face. She’s completely seduced. She trusts Frank entirely. Also at this point, he’s stopped clowning around and is now doing the tango for real at this point.
People have said to me “Oh, he’s dancing like crap!” or “That’s the worst tango ever…” But that’s not the point. Remember what he says at 2:56 “No mistakes in tango, not like life…” The two of them are having such a great time and the “connection” between them is so close that it doesn’t matter what he does, she’ll follow him anywhere. In that 3 minutes, he’s completely seduced her.
6:36 “You are one incredible dancer”. It’s her perception. What we think doesn’t matter. She’s attracted to him because of the way he made her “feel” NOT by his brilliant technique and dancing “ability”.
The scene is so powerful that we’re flying with them….then watch what happens next…
6:54 “Michael” comes in….blah. He looks exactly how we’d expect him to look. He’s the beta male compared to Frank’s “alpha” male. Frank is slow, deliberate, cocky, ironic. Michael moves fast, he’s rushed, he’s dismissive of the ballroom and treats Donna like a little girl. He’s patronizing. He seems angry. “At last you found someone to tango with.” Dick…
Look at Frank’s expression. He’s stone silent. He’s already picked up on Donna’s frustration with Michael. Now we see why.
Note how Michael ignores Frank and thanks Charlie assuming that he was the one who danced with Donna. Frank just stares at him and never moves, never speaks up. He doesn’t have to, he’s already seduced Donna, he has nothing to prove to Michael.
7:35 Now watch how Frank turns it around on Michael by insisting on paying: “Get your hand out of your pocket….” there’s a clear reference to “don’t be a wanker…” Listen to the tone of Frank’s voice, he raises it, then he goes back to his calm voice within a half-second.
Check out the look on Donna’s face as Michael drags…literally peels her away from Frank. She wants more. The two actors display that attraction/connection beautifully.
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Link fixed.
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There is a SNL sketch on this.
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I noticed, twice, that he complimented her appearance. First when he told them that they are both beautiful, and again when he complimented Christina on her full lips.
Obviously there is a point where such complements help and do not hurt in a seduction. The stock PUA advice is negs only and ignore her beauty.
Care to elucidate?
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Awesome movie.
SPOILER ALERT
v v v v v v v v v v
… yes, he does bang both of them.
… and yes, it is ironic that the brunette lawyer girl falls for him the hardest.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
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Excellent post as I just so happen to be in Barcelona right now.
I actually tried an “Inverse Vicky Christina” on two young fly Catalan girls the other night, unfortunately to no avail. Round 2 tomorrow evening.
This really is Game at its strongest.
Rollo,
“He’s from a different culture which affords him a degree of social forgiveness for being so forward.”
Excellent point.
I have actually found my Game is even stronger in Foreign Languages, because you can be so direct.
In english, you have a tendency to try to be so innovative and witty, in other languages you have to communicate more through body language, eyes, and more basic, more direct lyrical flows.
– MPM
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Desert Cat,
“The stock PUA advice is negs only and ignore her beauty.
Care to elucidate?”
That is because some PUA advice is faulty.
You can compliment girls, you just have to do it the right way.
– MPM
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This guy definitely learned his skills off the internet after 20+ years of enduring chronic female rejection, pity and contempt. Yep, nothing is genetic; it’s all social conditioning.
I’m off to read “The Secret”.
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“Direct game takes balls, and it also takes a willingness to absorb rejection without flinching. Never let ‘em see you sweat.”
I like direct game, but Roissy is absolutely right on this one: direct game is a high-risk operation.
You are basically running on your looks and charisma, and nothing else.
Direct game is great if you are good looking guy who doesn’t like routines and doesn’t mind a fair amount of rejection every now and then.
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““The stock PUA advice is negs only and ignore her beauty.
Care to elucidate?”
That is because some PUA advice is faulty.
You can compliment girls, you just have to do it the right way.”
Well, yes. I get that much. I’m not an idiot. I’m not quite grokking the “right way” part.
Obviously the fawning attention and laser-like focus is a big turnoff. But where is that fine distinction? In this example he has clearly demonstrated his alpha cred. Perhaps this gives him the freedom to flatter?
I’m a recovering AFC, I need help understanding here.
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You should take a look at the movie “Appaloosa” for some old school cowboy game. Some of the dialog in it is spot-on and also pretty funny. Like this conversation:
Virgil: But it appears she’ll fuck anything ain’t gelded.
Everett: I’m not certain that’s quite right.
Virgil: What do you think’s right?
Everett: I think she wants to be with the boss stallion.
Virgil: There’s only one boss stallion in a herd.
Everett: At a time.
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Puma, thanks for letting me know. I was going to ask. But, did he do them together or individually?
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“try walking behind something on your next approach; say, behind a large column or a group of people, then reappearing close by her.”
I can just see some dork getting himself pepper sprayed trying to follow that advice.
No sudden moves, boys. Be cool out there.
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Female porn.
While it is entertaining–and it is great direct game on display–it leads to unrealistic expectations. All women (begin to) think they’re as attractive as Vicky and Cristina, and that they deserve to be swept off their feet by handsome Latin Lotharios.
Disappointed females are the natural result of such fantasies.
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A wonderful testimonial on the power of Roissy given by GdI above. As one of his “special gals,” I should know.
Exposure to this blog is one of the tests he gives before you’re allowed into his inner circle (where fight club rules apply). If a woman can withstand exposure to all her pretty lies, she passes a major hurdle and goes to the next phase of initiation. Submission is not far behind. 🙂
I don’t mind GdI’s views on women and their place in his life. In fact, I know what position I hold in the harem (and try really hard to stay there).
As for an opening line with me, it didn’t really matter. He is such the alpha that he beguiled from the moment I met him. He’s Gamed me ever since: I totally know it … and enjoy it.
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I was hoping he’d pull out a quarter and say “Call it.”
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This is a great movie.
I think the main reason this works is that they already know who he is, or at least that he is a “somewhat” respectable man and not some hobo off the street lying about having a jet plane. Although I question their sanity at going with someone who was a rumored abuser. But questionable sanity is often what makes these movies so enjoyable.
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SPOILER ALERT: That was a pretty entertaining movie – it blew up several memes of modern mating.
-The shrew lawyer chick bags the committed beta-provider then cheats on him. When given the chance to get out of her suffocating beta marriage she declines and lives on as a frustrated SWPL. Is able to very effectively hide her tryst from her roommate.
-Our Dear Scarlett as an artiste, open to many things including her legs (see what I did there) and living with her lover and his ex-wife. Predictable threesome ensues.
-Maria Elena is kinky and psychotic, can never get her mind off her ex-lover’s pounding.
-Juan Antonio bags three chicks in a few months’ time, including his ex. Runs direct game. Flies his own plane. Sensitive artist type but never gives up his balls.
-Devlin’s “grandmother effect” comes into play in reverse – granny wants to get lawyer chick UNhooked from Mr Provider instead of hooked.
-Provider Man is SO beta.
I should expect nothing less from a movie directed by a guy named Woody.
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I believe the context–him being a Spaniard and the two American girls are waiting to be swept off their feet–plays an important role here. Maybe 30-50% of the overall seduction.
I’ve seen similar things here on the beaches of Rio where Brazilian guys would approach with weaker game and unless they were complete nerds (unlikely) would usually succeed.
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Desert Cat,
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Complimenting women’s beauty is dicey because it’s a generic compliment and giving it implies you have lower status. But we already know Javier Badrem isn’t generic or low-status so it’s not an issue for him.
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I’m weirdly disgusted by the groupie.
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Great, Great movie.
However, I think the point that’s missed, is, he’s not playing game at all. He is a “natural.”
He’s the son of a wealthy poet, who for some reason declines to be published.
He’s a rich artist, well renowned and successful. He didn’t buy a plane to pick up chicks, he bought it to get around.
He’s divorced from a luscious woman, Penelope Cruz, so he’s used to getting gorgeous women. Just to be approached by him is a for real, once in a lifetime honor.
He just happens to be going home that weekend, so he invites these two hotties along. He tells them, outright, that he wants to screw them both, because he screws beautiful women regularly.
He’s going anyway, and if they don’t go, he’ll surely get some one else in Oveido. They’re dispensable to him, yet they’re beautiful, and they’ve never been treated like this before. They sense they’re in the presence of a “real” man. And they are.
He’s not intimidated or tongue tied around beauty, and this isn’t game. he’s used to it, and there’s no substitute for that life experience. Beauty is his business and his life’s pursuit.
Yes, Rebecca Hall’s character (great butt!) falls the hardest for him, but he also fall the hardest for her too. She’s smarter than Scarrlett Johannson’s character, and they connect on a deeper level.
I think the turning scene, is when they go to an exclusive Spanish guitar show. She sees a small glimpse of his real life, his everyday world, one she didn’t know existed, and she realizes that her fiancee doesn’t even have the capacity to appreciate this world. He doesn’t measure up, and she realized she just doesn’t love him. And Patricia Clarkson has a mean bod for an older lady.
And hell, it ain’t hard for Javier to play him. Isn’t he married to Penelope Cruz in real life? And He’s got an Oscar for that crappy “No Country for Old Men.”
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What really gets me is that this movie sprung from the mind of Woody Allen. Most nerdboys don’t have the level of social sensitivity to be able to write a screenplay that demonstrates such a deep understanding of game. They’d rather write off the success of other men to luck rather than anything they could learn, understand or have control over.
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…. that being said, Woody Allen trying this, even when he was younger, would be a stretch.
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“However, I think the point that’s missed, is, he’s not playing game at all. He is a “natural.””
He is not a “natural”. He is a fictional character written by someone with a deep understanding of game. (Woody Allen–go figure, right?)
Is not the point of game to study what works, whether from accomplished PUA’s or from “naturals” and then apply it?
Whether this character is a “natural” or not really isn’t the point then, is it? It works for him (at least in the movie, and probably would work just as well if it was real life). The question is what, exactly is it that works, why does it work, and how can that knowledge be applied by others?
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“However, I think the point that’s missed, is, he’s not playing game at all. He is a “natural.””
You can become a “natural” with enough practice…until then, “fake it til you make it.”
Plus, there are PUAs that specialize in direct game, like Paul Janka.
…However, I wouldn’t recommend direct game to an AFC unless you are a good looking dude (or if you have a lot of status, but then you wouldn’t be an AFC) since direct game relies so heavily raw attraction.
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Whoops, that last sentence should read:
…since direct game relies so heavily ON raw attraction.
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It’s no accident that some of the best poetry is tortured into the most constrained iambic verse.
It’s as if the limits of structure imposed on a medium spur your mind to come up with new associations, novel images to use to convey your message.
I once enrolled in a poetry writing class, and spent two years regularly writing. It was an engrossing hobby, and the most fun I’ve had socially. Critiquing each others works and enjoying the best offerings of others and being surprised at the brilliance of our mutual muse – very pleasurable. The sharpest poetry came through the most constrained strictures.
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I don’t know if you take requests, but I think there’s much to be learned from failed attempts, too. I was wondering if you might critique the scene in Tootsie where Dustin Hoffman does exactly what the hottie said she wished men would do when confiding to him in his female persona- be direct, be honest, get drink thrown in face.
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“What really gets me is that this movie sprung from the mind of Woody Allen. Most nerdboys don’t have the level of social sensitivity to be able to write a screenplay that demonstrates such a deep understanding of game. They’d rather write off the success of other men to luck rather than anything they could learn, understand or have control over.”
I don’t think that’s fair to Woody…he’s basically spawned an entire genre by himself, as well as adding himself as a stock character to the American cinematic repertoire (the Urban Neurotic). Are you judging him just on his nerdy looks? Clearly he’s a cinematic genius, and you have to have a really good grasp on human personalities to make his kind of films for so long.
Woody may be like many lurkers here – maybe he doesn’t have game himself, but at least he understands it.
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“It’s as if the limits of structure imposed on a medium spur your mind to come up with new associations, novel images to use to convey your message…The sharpest poetry came through the most constrained strictures.”
Yes, I also learned this in college courses. Renaissance art and other apexes of the arts came under great constraint, just like the best speeches come when something needs to be said.
“I was wondering if you might critique the scene in Tootsie where Dustin Hoffman does exactly what the hottie said she wished men would do”
Hell, if we’re talking about Dustin Hoffman why don’t you do the prostitute pickup scene in Rain Man? “Are you taking any prescription medication” is a hell of an opener if you’re looking for a sympathy lay.
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Woody Allen just plays a nerd. He’s actually been an alpha …err … alef male, for a long time.
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@Dessert Cat
“”Obviously the fawning attention and laser-like focus is a big turnoff. But where is that fine distinction? In this example he has clearly demonstrated his alpha cred. Perhaps this gives him the freedom to flatter?
I’m a recovering AFC, I need help understanding here.””
The “fine line” in complimenting a woman is two-fold and I’ll give some examples I’ve found recently since I started and from the clip I attached from Scent of a Woman.
1) compliments are “try hard” if they’re obvious like “you’re gorgeous….” Compliment the intangible. “you have good taste” “you look good in red” or Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman doesn’t tell Gabrielle Anwar she smells great, he instead guesses her perfume, then says “I’m crazy about you grandmother”…. She obviously loves her grandmother.
2) If the girl is an 7 or above the neg helps to ensure there’s an element of unpredictability. I gave one to a girl I was gaming last night that I danced with… “Wow you dance great…that time anyway”. She laughed. It’s not an insult, it’s the unpredictability that makes it powerful as a seduction tool.
3) Read thru all the shit tests and psychology fo shit tests: “How do I look?” fishing for a compliment….a response would be: “I’m hungry” (completely changing the frame) She’ll laugh and then you can say whatever you want….
This is a power game women play to weed out the supplicators and beta males who fawn on them and on a subconscious level destroy attraction by 1) appearing ready to please rather than lead 2) playing into her frame instead of being “pre-selected” by women and 3) appearing weak instead of the protector of women and children. A direct compliment of beauty is in many ways the lazy way out.
But again context is important. If the woman is giving IOI’s instead of saying “you have beautfiul eyes” you could say “Your eyes are a beautiful shade of brown, like a mahagoney chest we used to have when i was a kid…”
The psychology of the compliment is to keep the woman guessing, make her work for your attention. Make the commentary more interesting and unpredictable.
Hope that helps…
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I have the utmost respect for Woody Allen, but having seen 4 films of his “Manhattan,” “Annie Hall,” “Vicky Cristina Barcelona” and “Whatever Works,” it seems like romance in the two 70s films I mentioned was carried out like a page of “The New Yorker,” rather than the sexually-charged style of game. But it least it was plausible unlike…….
Wes Anderson. He is the guy I should really be ranking on. His work is pure SWPL speculative fantasy. The interactions between characters in his movies are totally based on his pretentiousness and have no basis in reality.
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@ Freya: No idea you cared so much.
He wept … 🙂
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@Dessert Cat,
I’m also recovering AFC but have picked up my game considerably in the last 6 months and it’s boosted my confidence tremendously.
By letting women know you want to fuck them…it helps to weed out the ones who want to LJBF you.
A case and point…one who I gamed who suddenly flaked on me…I’ve been in NO CONTACT with for 2 weeks now.
I saw her last night at a kind of function where I’d left some of my things near where she had been sitting.
As I was leaving, she was standing there with all her friends. I picked up my stuff and she suddenly kicked me “accidentally” and said “Oh sorry…”
Without missing a beat I lightly but deliberately banged my coat against her leg…never looked at her and walked away. I heard “Oww….”
It was a shit test. She was fishing for some type of attention…what she got instead was a surprise hit back and then I ignored her.
I wouldn’t have realized this 6 months ago…but the power of that little exchange is such that it does several things:
1) re-frames…I didn’t acknowledge her kick…I just kind of hit her back “accidentally”.
2) I walked away instead of engaging…further confusing her…
3) The shock of being tapped/hit back would have sent a tingle through her and created some type of reaction that she would be thinking about the rest of the night.
When you get out of AFC mode, and start thinking like a PUA, you realize that you need to work on a woman’s emotions, not logic…You need to be unpredictable.
You need to think longer term if you’re going to fuck them and realize that some will take more time. Some will want to establish a “control” by LJBF-ing you as a way to kill the attraction. Some women are afraid of being attracted to a guy because they lose control.
That’s why in the 16 Commandments of Poon, you need to have 2 or 3 or 4 more girls on the go that you’re gaming.
Also, note you need to practice this stuff. Roissy notes in the link that he practiced the Apocalypse Opener on a 6 and then walked out when he got shot down.
I’ve also practiced a lot of this stuff on girls who I wasn’t so keen on just to see how it worked. It does wonders for your “inner game” and confidence.
That’s why you need to always be the stronger one and not give a shit whether you get her or not. That’s the essence of alpha that I’m learning and adapting.
Also, you have to realize that sometimes when you get shot down, it’s only temporary if you can maintain your “inner game” in that locale for the rest of the night.
If you get shot down and make it appear that you’ve been shot down…that girl will never be interested in you again.
That’s also why being an asshole or a bit arrogant may seem counter-intuitive to gaming, but actually works because it creates intrigue and is self-protecting: if you are arrogant, cocky, funny and get shot down….she’ll never know what you’re about…but if you let it show that it got to you, on a subconscious or conscious level, she’ll think you’re weak.
I’m rambling, but hope you get my drift….
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Complimenting to try to earn affection = DLV = bad
Complimenting as a reward = DHV = good if used correctly
I was out with a really good looking chick last night. When she arrived I told her she looked great, since she had obviously spent a lot of time trying to look good for me.
I even threw it out there again at the bar, but this time I was moving into seduction, getting her warmed up for my bed, where we were headed within the next half hour.
That said, this chick is an 8+, and the only way I could get away with this was because I delivered it properly, and she was already going ga-ga over me.
To recap- only compliment directly if it is a reward or if it is properly delivered during seduction to help lube the vaj.
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“A direct compliment of beauty is in many ways the lazy way out.”
And yet…three times Juan gave them a direct compliment. Their beauty and desirability, and Christina’s “lovely lips”. Direct game. Direct compliments. Not for novices or the faint of heart. Si?
“Hope that helps…”
Partly. It is about keeping control of the frame you are saying. And if a woman is beautiful, that is part of their frame. Yes? But in the clip, Juan controlled the frame because of his mad skilz (or natural ability) and thus the compliments were… part of *his* frame, part of his very direct cutting to the chase. “You are desirable. Come with me. We will make love.” Si?
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“Complimenting to try to earn affection = DLV = bad
Complimenting as a reward = DHV = good if used correctly”
That makes lots of sense, yes. Still not in the context of the clip, but I get that distinction. Thanks.
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A compliment is money. You can spend only as freely as your wallet allows. You want to receive $10 for every $5 that you spend. Being a spendthrift shows lower value, but there is no need to be skinflint.
You don’t use a compliment to pay for attention. You use it after she has already given you attention.
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Or to make it more simpler – if you are putting out the vibe that having given a compliment she owes you something or might reward you, then you’re doing it wrong.
Showing lust and appreciation is fine.
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“You don’t use a compliment to pay for attention. You use it after she has already given you attention.
Or to make it more simpler – if you are putting out the vibe that having given a compliment she owes you something or might reward you, then you’re doing it wrong.
Showing lust and appreciation is fine.”
This, too makes sense. But put this in context of Juan, Vicky and Christina for me. Juan did not give off this vibe, as far as I could tell, and yet…the same compliments in the same setting could *easily* be taken that way.
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When Juan said “you are beautiful women”, what those words meant was “you are sensual women”.
It was code. He was pointing out that the women felt sexy about their appearance. He was digging in to tap a vein of eroticism. He wasn’t complimenting them on their looks.
His intention was not to flatter. It was to arouse in them their dormant feelings of sexuality.
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Wrong attitude: Now that I’ve made you feel good, you make me feel good.
Right attitude: I could make you feel good if I wanted, but not quite yet. Entertain me first. Show me why you are worth my time. And if you don’t do that, I’ll twist around with your emotions until you play your hand.
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I am watching this movie right now because I ❤ Scarlett Johansson.
What's interesting is that I think I have Vicky's brain but Cristina's mannerisms. In other words, I was thinking exactly what Vicky was saying ("why would we go with you? didn't you beat you're wife? this is ridiculous!"), but I wouldn't execute my reasoning so boldly (it's scary to men when women behave logically). At least I have the tact and awareness to know when it's pointless to reason with certain people. When dealing with ~suave~ impulsive romantics, I would play on their field.
Ah, the beauty that comes with being an INTJ~
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“His intention was not to flatter. It was to arouse in them their dormant feelings of sexuality.”
Now we’re getting somewhere.
You know what my next question is, don’t you.
How?
I think you are right, but this seems incredibly nuanced.
I think I understand this may not be so easy to explain as a mechanistic or formulaic thing. It would be a matter of one’s overall mastery of the frame to project that intent, rather than appearing to supplicate. Right? There’s something here, something subtle that separates the Lotharios from the Chumps.
If you can explain to an AFC how to use the same words that gets him relegated to the “friend” bin to tap into that vein of eroticism, I’m all ears.
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Well said, Desert. It is a matter of frame and delivery as much as words. The words pour out of the frame.
I once knew an young artist, obsessed with his craft yet very poor at it. His teacher picked up on his use of color, and told him to focus on that. It wasn’t so much the lines and accuracy of the representations that mattered – it was the mood that the colors provided.
That young artist went on to become a rich and famous guy, selling his works and even copies of his works for many a grand each.
You could take the same script and have it fail. First, what is the mood. Then out of that what are the images. Then, out of that, what directions can you go – dance here, then dance there.
Juans mood was that he had something to offer. Not that he wanted something. From that mood he can offer compliments. Compliments are only deadly when they are used as tokens of barter.
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@Desert Cat
you write:
“”I think you are right, but this seems incredibly nuanced.
I think I understand this may not be so easy to explain as a mechanistic or formulaic thing. It would be a matter of one’s overall mastery of the frame to project that intent, rather than appearing to supplicate. Right? There’s something here, something subtle that separates the Lotharios from the Chumps.
If you can explain to an AFC how to use the same words that gets him relegated to the “friend” bin to tap into that vein of eroticism, I’m all ears.””
In the context of the clip, it’s his walk, his alpha projection:
Note a few things:
1) the languid, cool walk
2) the slow speech
3) he “assumes the sale” –what is it about my offer…”?
He could be joking, he could be serious, that mystery works to his advantage.
Also his accent…they’re in a foreign country, they’re not sure if that direct approach is the “done thing”.
Psychologically they’re out of their comfort zone, so anything goes.
The “American?” opener is almost a neg…it bags them as tourists and puts them on the defensive. It puts him in control. That “American?” line immediately makes it necessary for them to qualify themselves.
Context is important. Nuance is important. Delivery is important. There’s a lot of tension in that scene.
But if he looked like Drew Carey, it might be a tougher sell.
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I suppose you could say, Derek, that inner game is cementing your mood. For most of us it comes only from real life wins in the real world. We earn our confidence in small increments.
This is why I recommend to young guys who can’t easily dally with girls to have a go with older women at first. Get successes anywhere you can, and build on each success.
And the failures are worthwhile as well.
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yeah, it is very simple.
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Ah Jesus, if it were so very simple, we would all be in poon heaven.
Still, this has been very enlightening.
Thanks guys.
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I first got a link to this either here or on G Manifesto.
Based on his acting, this man probably has some tight game in real life, even without his celebrity status backing him up. I’ve never seen anyone keep his frame the way Bardem did in “No Country for Old Men”.
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[…] I wrote that it had some remarkable pieces of seduction technique. This has been confirmed by analysis by one of my favourite Internet hate figures, Roissy: 0:46 – 0:55 Juan’s body language is half […]
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Desert Cat,
Yeah, xsplat explained it in words better than I ever could.
Here is another way to explain it:
Compliments from a position of strength work well.
Compliments from a position of weakness do not.
So to go back to the scene, that Bardem cat compliments from a position of heavy strength. It works.
Vincent Ignatius – You probably saw this: Pulling a Vicky Cristina http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/07/pulling-a-vicky-cristina.html
“Based on his acting, this man probably has some tight game in real life, even without his celebrity status backing him up.”
Yeah, I think that guy is a G. I think he swooped Penelope Cruz when she was like 17 or 18.
– MPM
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Direct game is sexy and powerful.
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I don’t believe that it’s a fear of loss that makes moving out of a girl’s line of sight powerful, but the feeling of being stalked.
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G Manifesto is a phony.
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I used to sell silver jewelry with semi precious stones. Often I would be asked “is this ring real?”
“Real what?”, I would reply.
This boggled the brains of the teenagers, or more embarrassingly, young college students.
“You know, is it REAL?”
I have no doubt that the G is active in the circles he says he is. After all, SOMEONE is active in those circles. Why would it strain credulity that that someone would manifest as a real personality on this forum?
I get the same crap sometimes. Is it real. God. People don’t want to know what is real – it would fuck up their self image to be so puny in comparison to someone doing better.
At least Mr. G is kind enough to share his methods and attitude. So, unless you aren’t handsome or young or very rich or suave or socially talented or energetic or a drug fiend, you have no excuse not to try out his methods for yourself.
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The other famous Bardem movie scene actually has a lot of symmetry with the VCB scene, despite the obvious differences. Both famous scenes are about psychologically owning other people.
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Another candidate for game in the movies: Real Genius. Val Kilmer’s Chris Knight uses both his geekdom and surfer persona to lower expectations in preparation for some slam-bang lines, including “don’t eat that – don’t you know eating that stuff can give you extremely large breasts?!? [looks] Oh no, I’m too late!” and “I didn’t want you to think I was no fun – all brain, no penis…”
He also writes “I ACED THIS” on a physics exam. It’s a niche environment, but he still has a super alpha persona.
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That’s Great. Nice Post.
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You know the most relevant part of the movie?
NOTHING!
It’s a F*CKING MOVIE!
It’s scripted.
With actors.
No Game involved.
Snap out of it.
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I’ve only been into game for about a month, so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I don’t think people need to regard direct game as somehow having its own set of rules. Are you to some extent bounded by your looks and status when you use direct game? Well, sure, but that’s true about game in general.
Somebody up above mentioned Paul Janka as an advocate of direct game. Janka is movie-star good looking, so of course direct game works pretty well for him, but so would any other strategy, and so would just showing up. Bardem is attractive, too, and he’s tall (the importance of height is pretty hard to overestimate).
I’m not a pessimist who thinks that game is a lie and that all women want is model good looks, but I’m a realist, and in practice I don’t think that any kind of game, indirect, direct or otherwise, can really help you date more than a point or two above your place on the attractiveness scale. If you’re, say, a 6 looking to pull 9’s then at a certain point you’re going to need a status/lifestyle accomplishment to supplement your game. But, again, the point is that direct game follows the same logic; there’s no reason for guys to feel like it’s not worth the bother unless they’re very handsome or very high in status.
An average-looking guy running direct game will get shot down about 75% of the time, but you’re going to get shot down about that often no matter what, so why not bring another technique into your repertoire? Just bear in mind that if you’re a 6 you shouldn’t waste too much of your time hitting on 9’s. Spend that time working toward the achievements and lifestyle that will put you on a 9’s radar screen.
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Another phony exposed:
xsplat wrote:
I used to sell silver jewelry with semi precious stones. Often I would be asked “is this ring real?”
“Real what?”, I would reply.
This boggled the brains of the teenagers, or more embarrassingly, young college students.
“You know, is it REAL?”
I get the same crap sometimes. Is it real. God. People don’t want to know what is real – it would fuck up their self image to be so puny in comparison to someone doing better.
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What happens if you are uglier than dogshit? No amount of game will help you there.
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“If you can explain to an AFC how to use the same words that gets him relegated to the “friend” bin to tap into that vein of eroticism, I’m all ears.”
Context > Content
It is also about subcommunication.
If you say “You are beautiful” to tell her that you are in awe of her beauty, you lose.
The subcommunication needs to be “I am pleased that you took the time to look good for me”, or “Your presence is stimulating”.
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“I’ve only been into game for about a month, so take everything I say with a grain of salt,”
One month???????????????????????????????
I have been into game for about two years and I still am working on my game.
“An average-looking guy running direct game will get shot down about 75% of the time, but you’re going to get shot down about that often no matter what, so why not bring another technique into your repertoire?”
You have a point, but…the failures with direct game are spectacular (at least in my experience) since you are working so fast and have no time to build rapport with your target(s).
My advice to AFC’s is KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid.
Come up with basic routines you can fall back on and just master the approach.
When I first started applying game I had some real problems with approach anxiety.
I started taking Xanax and it really helped, but then I became sort of addicted to Xanax. I couldn’t approach a set unless I was on it. I also would sometimes drink while on it, which is a big no no.
I finally got tired of using Xanax and had to start all over and master approaches.
The amount of rejection I would get was crazy sometimes, but one mental trick to get over the rejections was just to blame my routine, like saying “Ah, it was a bad routine.”
That is why I advocate routines to newbies. It gives you something to fall back on.
…Plus, newbs should be practicing on completely eliminating approach anxiety, and this requires lots and lots of practice doing approaches…so having a routine to fall back on really helps to inspire confidence.
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Must you call my people “pasty” Mr. Chateau? Fair skin is the envy of people all over the world, by the way.
I wouldn’t be interested in that rude Spanish guy and I wouldn’t bother bantering with him either. Most women IRL can’t engage in promiscuous behavior without severe emotional consequences and I wish these movies would stop glamorizing casual sex.
[editor: i agree with you that most women don’t have it in them to be as promiscuous as men without suffering emotional distress.]
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@El Gringo Loco
I’m 11 on the goodlooking scale of 10 and before I had Game, I couldnt even get fatties in college.
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G: Right on.
E: All good points. I wasn’t trying to say that I understand game by any means; I realize that I still have a lot to learn and that it’s a lifetime pursuit. But one thing I think I’ve already figured out, and which tends to get lost in a lot of these discussions, is that a guy’s appearance and status absolutely do place upper bounds on what he can hope to accomplish. In the video we see a tall, handsome, successful artist – pretty much the most desirable man imaginable for most women – overlay tight game onto these other assets and *only then* pull a girl as cute as Scarlett Johansson. What this means is that in real life, an average guy who polishes his own game to the same extent will probably manage to score with girls a point or two below ScarJo. And, hey, that’s not such a terrible fate.
Also, I’m not saying that a guy shouldn’t just give it a shot with the best-looking girl on the street or in a bar; I’m only saying that game isn’t a silver bullet (for the record, our host is always clear about that, to his credit).
Anyway, I like your advice about just getting a few routines down so as to concentrate on body language and projecting the positive energy that flows from tight inner game. As far as “spectacular” failures with direct game, I would say that there are two types of direct game. There’s giving a non-creepy compliments from a position of psychological strength, as discussed upthread, and there’s inviting two chicks to have a threesome in rural Spain. The latter is probably best left to the true pros, but the former seems at least as likely to work as an indirect approach. Women love attention from men whose attention means something.
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An excellent post. Sharp observation on Juan Antonio being temporarily obscured from view (I do not doubt it was intentional).
One of my frustrations with any sort of ad hoc analysis is that commentators breathlessly explain why a person/team won/lost due to reasons X, Y, Z. Bardem also keeps his hands in his pockets, which I think Roissy cautions against. I don’t think hands in pocket are really a big deal, but it underscores much of the futility of people keeping scorecards.
Mystery’s routining comes directly out of the magic world. Close-up artists approach hundreds of tables, and their tricks almost provoke predictable reactions… but not always.
Also, I thought the actors failed to sell the dialog. Rebecca Hall’s biggest turn-off is not that she seems lawyerly but that she’s playing the Woody Allen character, neurotically spouting the things he ordinarily says in films (later in the story she gets off a line admonishing against yet another one of those intractable “arguments over Kant’s categorical imperative”). The film’s narration was especially distracting and unnecessary.
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I’ll add one important point.
If you don’t have Game, this isn’t really a problem. An average guy who takes care of himself and just stay aloof and pass the shit-test without knowing it (by basically not taking the girl seriously) will get somewhat great results.
The problem is having ANTI-Game. Thats what I see in all the young guys (post babyboomers). Putting girls on pedestrals, thinking you need proove something so they like you, doing everything she wants, asking for permission, not leading etc etc
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E: That’s impressive efforts. I need a wingman like you out here in Indonesia.
Gringo: I’m not sure there is a one or two point looks ceiling. I think the case could be made either way. In my own life I’ve dated women much more attractive than me many times. I don’t know if I have anything much more insightful than that to say about it. I suppose anyone can have several winning streaks in Vegas, but that doesn’t change the odds.
But I’m really not sure about it.
I know that in a meat market like a bar, I have poor prospects. Hooking up is done assortively by looks.
But I also know that once a woman is isolated away from all cock blocks and other opportunities, and if other factors are in place, a guy can intrigue a girl even if he’s well below her attractiveness level.
It’s certainly harder to get your foot in the door. It’s harder to maintain the relationship. And it’s harder to keep her from listening to all her cock block friends. But even a very attractive woman can become under your sway, once you get under her skin deep enough.
To get the foot in the door can be any number of hooks, but I suppose truly having one or two areas that you stand out in as your field of pussy magnetism expertise can work. It might be philosophy. Doug1 seems to have a magnetism revolving around his knowledge of history. It might be a mood you emanate. Massage skills. Fucking skills. Maybe you just constantly make the girls crack up.
There are angles an ugly guy can work.
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I just watched this movie yesterday. It’s reccommended in Alan Roger Currie’s book: Mode One, Let Women Know What You’re Really Thinking. David X also advocates this type of game. To those of you wondering if this style of game works, it does. I have used to it to great success. With that being said, you cannot not come off as soft (or drunk) when using this style of game. If you’re going to say something similar to the scene in VCB, then say it like you mean it and let the girl know that you’re not bullshitting or obviously influenced by alcohol.
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I mean, there are so many hooks to use with women. Just because the easiest way to open a safe is carrying the key with you, doesn’t mean it can’t be just as fully cracked into using a power drill, a blob of thermite, or a burning hollow bar of iron being pumped with oxygen. Even Windows can’t keep out the hackers – how is a mere girl going to maintain perfect defenses?
* Dating a previously fat girl who is losing weight will allow you to have a hottie with a body image of a fattie. Works great.
* If you have a fetish that is not popular, such as for very short petite girls, you into niche purchasing, which ups your odds
* If the girl has intellectual, sexual, or thrill seeking needs that the straight regular Joes can’t seem to meet, you can have your in
* Going to a foreign country where the girls aren’t used to western faces and so aren’t as able to judge our nuances of ugly can help
* A foreign country also raises your status by a bunch of man points
* Some girls are emotional predators, whose hobby is to game men and swallow their souls. These can be ensnared and then played.
* Some girls just can’t get no satisfaction, and bounce around from guy to guy with out ever feeling much for anyone. Such a fly may not be able to escape your Venusian maw. You may be able to make her fall too deeply into your gravity well to be able to escape.
* Some girls aren’t in a place in their lives where they are looking for anything serious, and are open to love affairs of an indeterminate time with a guy that can make her feel good – they aren’t pulling out their measuring calipers and checking for flaws.
And more than all this, sometimes a man just feels in the flow. He is just the man. A mans bearing can have a remarkable effect, and jump him up a few points.
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I’ve been in “Game” for 6 months and my success has been moderate in banging two girls.
One I’ve gamed turned out to be an attention whore whose own game was so natural and good that we rubbed each other out. I’m now running NO CONTACT game on her but have basically cut that one out.
Last night, I gamed and number closed my cute neighbour.
The cocky/funny, followed by light kino, future projection, invitation to dinner at my place, DHV talking about an upcoming trip to a dangerous country, then number close.
The confidence this gives me is incredible.
I’m waiting to try AO at the right time.
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javier sort of has a face like a leather sandal but he does have an appeal!
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Assanova has got it. Xsplat makes some great points as well, it is mental foreplay alluding to the physical, rubbing up against the edge of the “what ifs” is where the art of application comes in. Sensuality is key for being a girl, as it draws men to her, in any country. Passionate (artist type) men especially notice sensuality.
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Are women biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?
Of course any complaints that girls go for bad boys and jerks instantly labels one a nice guy beta males. To the extent that it is possible, I actually consider myself somewhat of an impartial outside observer. I was an omega jerk in JR and high school, and to an extent my whole psycho personality, worked and I had girls literally chasing me. A lot of it might have been self-delusion but some measures were objective. After that I was in nearly complete isolation in college. So I’ve never played the role of the bitter nice guy. I have NEVER done anything nice for a girl or anyone my entire life! So I think I have some claim to impartiality, and my position that my deep depression and heart anguish is purely on a metaphysical level.
I read a lot of PUA seduction Game literature. At first my logic was it pays to learn all tools of rhetoric, persuasion and oratory even if I intended to put it to different uses than PUA.
Anyway to put it at its simplest. In cavemen times women were just plaything rape slaves for the strongest ape. And that is what evolutionary psychology in chimpanzee and gorilla behavior proves. Now there might have been some brave women who defended their freedom to the death, but their selfish genes were lost to history. And the genes that all modern women have inherited is those who submit to the cruelest caveman with biggest club.
I don’t know for me it is pretty hellish to live in a world where all men are sadists and all women are masochists.
According to PUA science male physical attractiveness barely matters at all, the only thing women find attractive is brute domination and sadism.
For the last year I’ve completely cut myself off from humanity. Who wants to live in a world of pure evil? Only evil is rewarded! Cruelty is the only virtue. What good is morality and ethics?
So I’d like an outside opinion do you feel that women are biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?
Does the dating world going back to the new paleolithic age make life worthless?
Murdoch’s theoretical journal which is the official ideology of America and thus the entire world has endorsed the evopsych worldview: The New Dating Game | The Weekly Standard
Now I’m sure no one will believe me, but this is NOT about me being a single virgin loser guy who can’t get a date. More its about what kind of world we live in where evil is always rewarded. I can’t live in a universe like that. Why bother to get a job and support oneself and live in brutal ruthless dog eat dog world of evil? My parents are going to throw me out in August since I wont get a job or school.
Its true I’ve always been kind of an anti-sexual puritan but evopsych just makes it more vicious.
I feel nothing for disgust for humanity. But thats what the Darwinian struggle for existence. Brutality is the only virtue. I’m what the Nazis would call life unworthy of life. Even if your content to be a lifelong virgin girls rewarding “bad boy” traits still affects the world you live in. I could not be more repulsed by humanity which is why I have cut myself off in complete isolation for nearly a year now.
I don’t understand how the rest of humanity can endure such a world and assume its because they must ALL be blood-thirsty vampires themselves.
Although why glorify women as the victims? According to evopsych even when given freedom they will reward cruelty.
So there are no victims in this monstrous world just wolves eating wolves.
How do you endure this world? And what is your advice for me?
The Darwinian-Nietzschean struggle for existence means eat or be eaten, kill or be killed, harm or be harmed. I wish simply to neither dominate nor be dominated. But that is far too much to ask in this world on both counts.
Well in essence this IS about relationships. That is where evolutionary psychology is most obvious in daily life. While it is true I have no human relations, I’m still affected by the sexual stock market, the same way someone who owns no stock can be ruined by a crash.
Psychologists are humans like the rest of us, driven by the reptilian urges for sex and power and domination. There career choice is just there way of gaining domination in the Darwinian game. So I don’t see therapists as some elite priestly caste free from evopsych. I don’t want to be “fixed” into better being able to play the evolutionary game.
Since everyone here accepts the basic premises of evopsych, I ask how do YOU folks deal with it? Or do you all just accept the game, and try to be the winner? IF thats the case, then maybe your right and there can not be any dialogue between me and humanity.
I have not harmed anyone, except maybe my parents. My dad says I should be “altrusitic” and recover for my mom’s sake.
First off my parents committed a massive injustice on me by bringing me into this cruel world just to satisfy that monster gene- Moloch.
Second them keeping me alive, is just their genes following their selfish interest to reproduce. I represent a major investment in their genes survival. My fall means a major decrease in their genese reproducing. So that is all there is to their so-called generosity to me. The longer they keep me fed, the longer the opportunity there is for me to pass their genes on. Granted thats a pretty miniscule chance for grandkids hiding and crying in the basement, but its higher than the chances if I starved on the street.
So what gratitude should I have to the selfish gene? The “altruism” in feeding and housing me is just the flip side of the selfishness of birthing me into an incredibly hellish universe.
Humanity wants to drive itself off a cliff. I listed my objections. Much wiser men than me have listed them in thick textbooks. Humanity wont listen to the wise men and certainly not to me. So fine. I have said my peace. Let humanity drive off the cliff, but I want no part in the adventure.
What good would having a girlfriend do me? Is the chimpanzee in me supposed to rejoice that as low as I may be in the hierarchy, I still have someone below me who I can hurt, torment, dominate and abuse?
I have no problem being driven out of the sexual marketplace. The problem is what “service” are we competing for? And it seems in the sexual market it is who can be the most brutal and cruel. Evopsych says getting a girlfriend comes down to demonstrating cruelty, domination, brutality, and sadism.
That is all I see in male-female relations and PUa science backs up my personal observations.
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Would it kill you to put the name of the movie?
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Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Not only does this guy sleep with the blonde, but he also sleeps with the brunette,and actually games his way into convincing one of them to move in with his ex-wife.
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i would like to see game analyzed in the uncertain sea of love between the prawns and the humans in district 9
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Damn. Not since Cajun on Keys have I seen a clip that distills so much, so powerfully.
Remove the apocalypse opener, and this is the perfect approach I’ll have in my mind when I’m walking over.
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Thanks for the response Mr. Editor. I hope you will use your powerful writing skills for good some day.
Like your writing skills, Game is powerful. Game could and should be used for good though, rather than to ruin stupid, trusting young women.
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One more thing. If you think of women as being like children (and I don’t blame you), please don’t prey on the weak ones. Perhaps the hardened bitches are only getting what they deserve but it breaks my heart when I hear of you guys breaking down virgins and other women that are trying not to be sluts. Guess what? When they get hurt enough times, they BECOME hardened bitches. Forgive me if I sound critical, I’m just trying to be honest.
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White woman, have you ever met a woman?
Women are evil. Every action any woman has ever done, every single thought process, every tiny motion of her fingernail, has always been a manipulation. A way to get status over her peers, attract a high status man, and dominate him to her whims.
Your notion of pure innocent babes being used and tossed aside is naive. Women are the users, not the used.
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Can I borrow your time machine?
I’d like to go back and by a lottery ticket.
Everything isn’t all figured out.
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Mopenhaur, it is rude to ramble. You could edit your thoughts down to fit into 1/10 the number of words.
You seem to think that your thoughts are leading you to inevitable depression. Try anti-depressants and and a more active lifestyle, and I’m sure you’ll find that your depression will lift and your thought will also alter.
It isn’t a philisophical certainty to be depressed, and it doesn’t mean you’ve figured anything out. It just means you need to fix a brain chemical imbalance.
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xspalt, I always read your posts with interest but I think you’re wrong about this.
I truly believe, to some extent we attract what we are, or more accurately, we attract what we think we will OR we just always attract the same kind of people for some reason I can’t fathom. I’m sure you’ve heard about women who ALWAYS end up with men that beat them or men that drink. I think it’s possible that because of your worldview, you attract women that manipulate etc.
I don’t think it’s intelligent to think any human being is pure good or pure evil. We’re all a mixture of both and some of us desire to be good all the time, but fall into sin too from time to time because we’re human. It’s likely you won’t find a woman like this (good most of the time) because if a woman won’t play allow you to manipulate her into a sinful sexual relationship, it’s likely you’ll throw her away. In other words, you’re not in a position to judge ALL women because a large portion of your time is with women who aren’t even trying to be good.
It’s rough out there but rest assured, for every guy that’s had is butt handed to him (emotionally) by some cruel bitch, there’s at least one woman who has had her share of unkindness from a man. I mean no disrespect. I would really like to see men and women get along better and I hope my words reach someone.
Yes, we have to test people-shit test them, if you care to call it that. I”m not going to allow a drug user, pervert etc into my life and the “tests” filter out the bad apples but that doesn’t mean I have to stop trusting all men or that men have to stop trusting all women.
Sorry for the long response. Feeling passionate today.
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@xsplat…
“Women are evil. Every action any woman has ever done, every single thought process, every tiny motion of her fingernail, has always been a manipulation. A way to get status over her peers, attract a high status man, and dominate him to her whims.”
…especially true in Asia…ESPECIALLY China…
Women here claim to want nice blokes…seek out betas to use are security blankets and never fuck…then manipulate the situation to find bad boys (which often means me…) to satisfy their urges.
In many cases, I’ve come on strong….and they’ve loved it.
But in other cases, they hide behind a kind of veil of respectability and never want their friends to know they’re fucking a foreigner so will pretend they don’t know you etc etc etc….
They’ve got great game…and you need better game to deal with the constant shit-testing and game playing.
It was only when I discovered the formal structure of “Game” that I came to see these women as more sexual than they made themselves out to be initially.
I digress…but your point is well taken.
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Xsplat! You crack me up. You ramble a bit yourself sometimes Sweetie. Give Mopenhaur a break.
Mopenhaur I understand how you feel. I find comfort in knowing this evil world is only part of the picture. There is a God and there is a plan. It won’t always be like this. I look forward to Jesus return when everything will be made right. I pray that you’ll ask him to help you. He won’t let you down. WW
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A lot of things that people think are figured out… aren’t. Really, it’s okay to have theories that might be true… it’s even okay to make up wild theories with little or no evidence……..
after all, they might be true.
But the absolutely serious way these wild theories with little real evidence are being discussed is more than a little disturbing.
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White woman, I have prodigious artistic output, all of which is concise. You may accuse me of being loquacious, but not of rambling.
I had thought it was obvious that I was using hyperbole to make a point. You come at the notion of virgins being sensitive innocents, and I’m explaining to you that it is human nature that all of us are out looking for advantage. There are no innocents.
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this post sucks. scarlett jo is a jew aka PPT aka fiat banker, also a huge slut, and the better-looking brunette is play-acting as a giant, unmarriageable cunt. wow, that spaniard-nigga swooped them? buy em a grande nachos.
commenter appreciation for myself
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These actors rehearsed this scripted scene many times to make it look convincing and natural.
But it all comes down to presence, and Juan has it in spades.
I immediately know when I meet an alpha, in any setting. I become flustered – agitated even – and I find it hard to concentrate. I desperately want to impress him, engage his attention, capture his imagination. There’s also a little hint of fear in the back of my brain.
Is it always sexual arousal? All I know is that my feminine senses are suddenly heightened. I try to calm myself and enjoy the banter, but perhaps some women just let the nervousness overtake them and they become bitchy like Vicky.
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Of course, we’re all looking out for ourselves. We all want to be happy. I’m just saying that not everyone looks out for themselves without taking others’ needs and concerns into account.
I’ve found that I’m happiest when I discipline myself and behave as my “best self”, meaning I try to curb some of my selfish tendencies so others can be happy. I don’t do this perfectly or expect others to do it perfectly but it actually kind of “works”. I don’t think I’m the only one who tries to do this. My own mother is a saint and “sucked it up” a lot to keep my father happy. As a result, they had almost 50 years of happy marriage (including an active sex life) until he died at the age of 75.
Women like my mother are few and far between in these later generations though. So are men like my father.
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xsplat-you are right. Your posts are content rich, as they say.
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I think I love you Cannon.
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White woman, what is your point? That a man shouldn’t get emotionally and sexually involved with a woman unless he wants to commit?
If that is your suggestion, my answer is simple.
No.
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Agree with The Real Vince, the narration in the movie sucked.
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Xsplat, I’ll put it more plainly for you. I suggest that you don’t judge ALL women by the status seeking, domineering sluts you spend your time with.
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Woman speak: Be nice to me! Don’t abuse me. Don’t hurt me. Don’t be heartless and deceive me and use me.
Translation: Be monogamous or else I’ll cry.
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White woman, I’ll put it more plainly to you.
I understand woman nature far better than you do. Your implication that I only attract evil because I’m evil is insulting and wrong.
I see clearly the evil in the heart of all woman.
If you refuse to see the obvious, this is your ignorance, not my bad magnetism.
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Keep telling yourself that. Bon Chance.
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White woman. Fuck you too.
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Woman speak:Be a good person
Translation:Do what I want and what is in my interest and the interest of any babies I may choose to have.
Woman speak:Don’t be selfish
Translation:Don’t think of yourself, but only think of me.
If selfishness were a principle women cared about, they would unselfishly stop harranguing their mates about having sex with other girls.
A woman CAN’T see that she is being a selfish controlling domineering bitch by making all these demands on a man. All she can see is that the man is selfish for not doing whatever her whim wants.
So again, White Woman:
No.
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i got a new term for jewish broads i just made up. i call em “85 Broads”. because, you know, 85 broad. fiat banking shit. so i dangle into the misogyny wading-pool, calling women “broads”. “85 broads” is downright ingenious. also seems rather ubiquitous to toss out in front of their faces… i can just say i thought they seemed like the finance type.
“oh, is you like one of those 85 broads?”
aaaaaand, it’s lights out!
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Woody Allen is the guy who married his step-daughter. Who beyond youth had nothing to recommend her. It was pathetic.
Scarlett Johannson was his “sexual muse” … read casting couch. Of course she gets tested for STDs every six months. Outside the uber-asshole environment of really rich NYC and London urbanites, I’m not sure Woody or Scarlett (professional bimbo) have much to offer those seeking instruction.
I think (seriously) Lifetime and ABC Family Channel, catering to obvious female fantasies, tell you more. It’s not like Woody Allen made moves that required smoothness to accomplish. Mia Farrow and Diane Keaton, after they were old and washed up, were not real accomplishments. Bobcat Goldthwait banging Nikki whatsername when she was actually hot impressed me more.
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Just finished watching this movie. I thought it was fantastic. what a dynamics between characters. Juan definitely has the game, but he seemed to be a bit desperate and jumping from one thing to another, not being able to resolve his feeling with his ex-wife, and he also seemed needy when left alone without any women.
I’ve been in similar situation with my ex once, when I met another girl and then ex came back and revived the feelings. I went back to the ex and it didn’t work out with neither one of the girls at the end. so I realized this was emotion based weakness. It clearly resonated with me in the movie. when it doesnt work and you go, you gotta go first. and burn the bridges, so you can grow further.
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White Woman, yes you are right. attraction is subconscious and I personally believe in froids theory of boys being attracted to the character of their mother and girls of their father. how could you not be. subconscious is like a computer and in first 5-8 years of your life its being stuffed with all of these associations without any critical or reasonable filtering. we just took information in. so of course you always going to attract the same “type” of the opposite sex which matches your opposite parent. its obvious.
but it doesnt have to be like this, because if you grow inside and you at least shed some light on the insight like this. you can be better than that and get to the point where you brake the chain and grow out of it. it takes self realization and tremendous self knowledge. only then you can choose your own path.
it takes guts, it takes lots of work, but I think its worth it. not for everyone, but very much worth it.
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WW,
mwah, mwah
(just to be clear)
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Women are evil. Every action any woman has ever done, every single thought process, every tiny motion of her fingernail, has always been a manipulation. A way to get status over her peers, attract a high status man, and dominate him to her whims.
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Are you sure you’re not projecting, because a lot of this seems like exactly what most game blogs chronicle. Not that men are evil of course, not that even PUA’s are evil although some of the posts here do send chills down my spine — and not the good kind.
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Vasafaxa, my comment was pure hyperbole to shake women out their self entitled victim mentality.
So many women are so deeply en-rutted in their paradigms of being victims, that there is no other way to communicate, other than totally flipping the script on them.
My point is that everyone – EVERYONE – is always and at all times dominated by self interest.
Even virgins.
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Totally OT: How do I become an asshole if they isn’t my natural inclination? Go out in the woods and kill something cute and fuzzy with my bare hands? Get a tattoo? Make a What Would Roissy Do wristband, what?
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I mean you girls simply can’t help it. I’m not blaming you. You are completely incapable of seeing your own faults. You externalize all feelings of loss and remorse and grief and longing out onto men. The bad men who make you feel bad.
You are incapable of seeing that it is YOU who are being selfish, not us. YOU are being selfish for trying to enforce an unwanted monogamy.
Men aren’t being selfish for trying to get laid at all costs.
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And as a sex, you fail to notice that the sexual crimes you accuse men of committing are committed at a ratio of 10:1 by women.
Women are by far far far the sex who are players.
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My point is that everyone – EVERYONE – is always and at all times dominated by self interest.
Even virgins.
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Of course. Life is about learning how to negotiate your self-interests with other in a healthy matter, that means give and take on both sides. Life is not a zero-sum game.
I don’t know what women you’re talking to that blame men for all of their problems, but they disturb me. In most situations I think the blame is pretty even, and if it’s not at the end of the day you can’t change the other person’s patterns of behavior only your own. If that means leaving the situation than so be it.
Sure it’s fun to whine and gripe from time to time, I enjoy it as much as the next girl, but it’s important to understand your(my) emotional reality doesn’t make up the entire reality. Life is not 2-D. I think your posts illustrate more of the whining and griping about the opposite sex than seeing the full picture, the same way that girls do when they assume the victim mentality. Maybe you’re flipping the script again.
As for the sex crimes. I don’t know what you’re referring to, rape? I don’t know of that many cases of women raping men, but please feel free to prove me wrong.
On the subject of rape. The way I see it there is no reason to demonize men, over something that a few men do, the same way there is no reason to demonize another group for the actions of a few of their members.
But as a girl trying to say safe it is something to be aware of. I don’t think that every person on the street is going to break into my house, but I still lock my door.
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Vasafaxa, my trains of thought got started by this
Which is innocent enough. For some reason I took offense to it. I guess I’m just tired of hearing of the female victim mentality, and of the mentality that women are poor innocent abused creatures. I was trying to point out that we all have competing interests, and that rather than try to police each others base desires, it’s much more practical to just learn of what’s truly out there and how to fend for ourselves. To take responsibility to not get played rather than trying to admonish others to not play. Cause people are going to play. I know I’ve been played plenty of times.
After a while, what you come to realize is, that we DO have competing interests, and no matter how much you want to take care of other, you also have to take care of youself. In fact, you have to take care of yourself first. There is no way around the fact that you have to hurt people sometimes.
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“White Woman, yes you are right. attraction is subconscious and I personally believe in froids theory of boys being attracted to the character of their mother and girls of their father. how could you not be. subconscious is like a computer and in first 5-8 years of your life its being stuffed with all of these associations without any critical or reasonable filtering. we just took information in. so of course you always going to attract the same “type” of the opposite sex which matches your opposite parent. its obvious.
but it doesnt have to be like this, because if you grow inside and you at least shed some light on the insight like this. you can be better than that and get to the point where you brake the chain and grow out of it. it takes self realization and tremendous self knowledge. only then you can choose your own path.
it takes guts, it takes lots of work, but I think its worth it. not for everyone, but very much worth it.”
“Bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks”-Sigmund FREUD
Hoes have no super-egos.
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WW:
One more thing. If you think of women as being like children (and I don’t blame you), please don’t prey on the weak ones. Perhaps the hardened bitches are only getting what they deserve but it breaks my heart when I hear of you guys breaking down virgins and other women that are trying not to be sluts. Guess what? When they get hurt enough times, they BECOME hardened bitches.
Forgive me riffing off your post WW, but this brings something to mind.
IME, there are two types of sluts in this modern age. The first type is what we here at the Chateau commonly discuss: the hypergamous, status-seeking sluts. Lawyer chicks. Upwardly mobile Valentis. Empowered feminists. Truly, they reap what they sow and we PROVIDE it.
But there is another kind of slut not often discussed here, what I call the “Innocent Slut.” Don’t get me wrong xsplat — I understand that *every* woman has a seed of amoral oppourtunism in her. But this other type of slut I’m thinking of has been grown in naive, simple-minded – perhaps abandoned and neglected – soil. For them, the impulse towards sexual activity is rooted in the all too human need for touch, affection and a sort of twisted (or perhaps uncorrupted) need for “love.” In my experience, these types of sluts crave physical touch as a way of experiencing interpersonal human emotional contact.
How does this latter type of slut differ from the former? Her taste in men is not hypergamous. She is not a status-seeker. She prefers men who understand the everpresent need for corporeal, sensual contact. Her sexuality may be boundless and “perverse”, but it is in the service of deeper needs. She may well fuck men “beneath her station” if they “get her.”
This is to be contrasted with the typical bar skank who hypergamously appraises her potential suitors according to how much higher his status is relative to hers, and who fucks with an image dangling in the back of her mind of how her alpha lover elevates her station in life. This is to be contrasted with the Innocent Slut who chooses men on their ability to make her feel emotionally enveloped, as if she were in a Klimpt painting.
The Innocent Slut is almost childlike in her naivete, and thus, far more succeptible to being damaged by the coarse, heavy handed ways of your typical “PUA”.
I would place these IC’s at about 20% of the total slut population.
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Badger Nation:
Another candidate for game in the movies: Real Genius.
It occured to me:
If
Chris Knight/Val Kilmer = Alpha
Then
Jordan/Michelle Meyrink = Pupu
amiright?
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i would like to see game analyzed in the uncertain sea of love between the prawns and the humans in district 9
But they’re two different species!!!
It might be argued the prawns represent poor-impusle control negroidians.
Are you asking me to supply some sort of psychosocial bridge between such disparate worlds?
Fine!
Fantastic!!!!
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Mopenhaur I understand how you feel. I find comfort in knowing this evil world is only part of the picture. There is a God and there is a plan. It won’t always be like this. I look forward to Jesus return when everything will be made right. I pray that you’ll ask him to help you. He won’t let you down.
Jesus wept.
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Tupac, I try to bring out both types of slut in whoever I’m dating. Inside the highly penis educated vagina you’ll still find that little girl who wants comfort and bonding. Inside that virgin, you’ll still find a desire for thrill and being bad.
I think most men prefer intimacy with sex. I hear of some guys on this forum who talk as if that’s not what they are after, but they are a minority who also come across as emotionally dead. I think the normal human condition is to be affectionate. Then the normal condition also is competing desires – no matter that she is a virgin and in love with you, sometimes you have to leave her.
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wet hoe:
I think I love you Cannon.
Yea, dat wigga be phat.
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was a virgin
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Then the normal condition also is competing desires – no matter that she is a virgin and in love with you, sometimes you have to leave her.
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Sure, but that doesn’t mean that you have to feel bitterness toward you, or eliminate regret that you hurt her. I think you can look out for yourself and still feel empathy with others. Though if I’m reading you correct you /are/ advocating for empathy.
On a different note there are some things that disturb me that I see in everyday life.
A friend of my younger brother’s dad is getting a divorce with his wife. He has two sons and a daughter. As if the divorce wasn’t enough, the dad, who has been an active presence in his kids life up until this point, is leaving to move to Europe.
I don’t understand how you could do that to your children, and I don’t see how the self-interest paradime could justify hurting your children like that.
The same model of course could be used for a mother who did something similar. I’m not picking on the guys here.
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Yes, Vasafaxa, balancing self interest with concern for others is a deeply personal and complex task we all have to come to terms with.
The older I get the more selfish I get.
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AO Trial Report
I thought this was retarded, and would never, ever work unless you were movie star hot with hardcore game and a private airplane. But a situation presented itself yesterday.
Went to a media function. Filled with people, about 500-600. Lots of publishing and magazine women (and their 65-year-old bosses). Pretty anonymous. Lots of women from out of town.
I tried AO on 6 women, only, mixed with normal game. I found some that met test conditions. I must preface: I was expecting total failure, and wanted to mitigate potential blowout. I knew some people there. Expectation of failure might have soured my game, but I tried to maintain frame.
Me: 10 months of game, moderately successful in range of 6-8. More successful outside my own field than in (media), because it’s a small world. My company is big and prestigious.
Selection:
– All were standing or sitting alone.
– None were more than 8 or less than 6.
– Range of ethnicities (random sample of room).
– I’m wearing a nametag with just my company shown (large media company).
– There was no opening conversation.
One
6.5, red dress, 30-34, white. No ring. Might be from out of town, not sure. Sitting alone (don’t know about friends).
Time: Approx. 9:30. Most of the evening ahead.
Me: “Hey”, “Hi”
One:”Hi.”
Me: Nod to group of presenters. Pause.
“What are you doing after all this?”
One: “Hanging out, maybe drinks. You’re with (my company)?”
Me: (trying hard to carry it off without choking, debating if I should even try this):
“Come back to my place with me tonight.”
HOLY SHIT, RESTRAIN HEART FROM BEATING FAST, WTF AM I DOING
Cock head. Look directly, give confident look, open expression.
About 4 seconds.
One: “Wow. That’s a line. Does it ever work?”
Remember, remember. Form.
Me: “What do you think?”
One: “I don’t know. You tell me.”
Me: “I mean, want to come back to my place with me?”
One: “You have balls. But not tonight, honey.”
Me: “No problem.” Slight nod of head and acknowledgment. Walk away.
Can’t resist. Look back about 10 seconds later. She’s glancing after me. Sizing me up or checking me out to warn the doormen?
Two
7.5 solid, casual pants, 28-33, white. No ring. Out of town. Standing by door.
Time: Approx. 12:15. Crowd thinning out slightly.
Me: “Hi”
Two:”Hi there.”
Me: Raising voice, very loud.
“What are you doing after?”
Two: “Why?” (hostility? No sign)
Me: (AM I ACTUALLY DOING THIS?):
“Come back to my place with me.”
Pause. She looks at me blankly for a second.
Two: “You’re kidding.”
Me: “Well, no harm in asking.”
Two: “I guess not. But I don’t think so.”
Me: “Hey. No problem.” Nod head, politely but cavalier. Walk off.
Damn. Issue: she was otherwise good. AO cost me a possible.
Three
7, casual pants, 30+, Asian. No ring. Local. Standing by door.
Time: Approx. 12:25. Crowd 80% of original.
Friends left 5 minutes ago. Glanced in her direction a few times, caught eye twice while friends were here.
Me: “Hi”
Three:”Hello there.”
Me: “This is almost done. What are you doing after?”
Three: “Home.”
Me: “Come back to my place with me.”
Three: “Whoah. Don’t think so, dude.”
Me: “Well, just asking.”
Three: “Fuck you. You’re an asshole.”
Me: Hands out, walk away.
Three: Walks away. I see her talking with a few other people. This could be a total disaster. Might be time to bail. But she leaves about 10 minutes later.
Damn. You need to have balls of steel. Mine are rattling.
Decide not to do this again.
Change mind.
Four
6, dress, maybe 33, Indian (S. Asian). Looks approachable. Ring, saw it too late. Definitely out of town. Standing by free bar.
Time: Approx. 12:40. Crowd 70% of original.
Alone when older gentleman left.
Me: “Hi”
Four:”Hi.”
Me: “It’s almost over here. What are you doing after?”
Four: Surprise. “Sorry?”
Me: “Come back to my place with me.”
Long pause. Sip from drink while looking at me. No expression.
Three: “You’re something.”
Me: “I’d buy you a drink, but they’re free.”
Brief pause.
Three: “I’m not drunk enough yet.” Laugh, no surprise.
Me: “No problem.”
Take freshly delivered G&T and demonstrate with it; put it down in front of her. Half smile.
Walk away.
Okay, that was less apocalyptic.
Five
7, red top, 36-39, White. Ring. Out of town. Near buffet.
Time: Approx. 12:50. Crowd 70% of original.
Alone, might be more senior, was with group. Sitting at table.
Me: “Hi”
Five:”Hello there.”
Me: “What are you doing after?”
Five: Surprise. “Sorry?”
Me: “Want to come back to my place with me?”
No pause.
Five: “Don’t waste time, do you.”
Me: “Night’s almost over. I saw you a while ago.”
Pause.
Five: “I’m married.”
Laugh.
Me: Smile, raise hands in “Myah” gesture.
Me: “No problem. Take it easy.”
Walk away.
NOTE: Later on, on my way out, smiles at me.
At this point, I’m thinking: there aren’t enough free women to get a hit on this opener. And the risk is not small.
But it’s late. Theoretically, it should work better now.
Almost ready to leave. Potential women are few.
Six
7.5, white dress, 32, Asian. No ring. No nametag; don’t know if out of town. Standing at bar.
Time: Approx. 1:30 Crowd 35% of original, hard-cores.
No idea before but currently alone. Doesn’t appear to be hard-core.
Me: “Hi”
Six:”Hi. (my company name)?”
Me: “What are you doing after?”
Six: “After what?”
Me: “Well, right now, I guess.”
Six: “After this?”
Pause.
Me: “Want to come back to my place with me?”
LOOONG PAUSE. 10 seconds.
Maintain frame. Maintain frame. Holy shit, this is truly freaking hard. Falling over cliff, deer in headlights.
Her hands go back to her drink, sloshes it, looks back at me.
Six: Smiles warily. “What if I say yes?”
Me: Think fast.
“Up to you. I won’t say anything.”
Pause.
Six: “Really.”
Me: “I never kiss and tell.” (or something like that)
Six: “I’m sure.”
Me: “Up to you.”
What to say what to say what to say.
Make like I should wander off.
Me: “I’m just going to go get my jacket.”
Get jacket.
Come back. She’s not there. She’s by a table, picking up stuff.
I walk over to her. Just checking. She looks up.
Silent pause; I raise eyebrows and move head.
Six: “You should buy me food.”
Me: No F****ing way.
“I have a well-stocked kitchen.”
Don’t mess up now. Almost forgot: Slut perception avoidance.
“If you want to come, I’ll be outside.”
Wait outside for 5 minutes. She comes out. Frowns at me and walks towards me. We talk as we get cab.
I keep distance except for casual accidental touching.
Long night. Cooking. Finally make out at 4:30, no sleep, spend much of following day. Numbers exchanged. Definitely potential future meeting.
She seems like a nice girl; no sign of uber-sluttiness. She was uncomfortable until we relaxed and shared personal stories and talked for two hours. I might have dated her otherwise. She was a little tipsy but nowhere near drunk.
RESULTS
4/6: Dismissal.
1/6: Potential Disaster. Narrowly avoided. Might have really cost me hard.
1/6: Success.
WTF.
I think I was just lucky. But the learning curve is frick’ing brutal.
[editor: well played, gorbachev. while your perestroika wasn’t perfectly implemented you basically hit the right notes.]
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And more on that train of thought Tupac, I think any lover has as his duty to bring out the inner slut and inner madona of his woman.
If you aren’t occasionally making her feel like she is doing something naughty, then you aren’t fulfilling her innate desire for the bad boy. That’s just immoral not to do that. You have to call her a little slut sometimes. Be a little nasty in public. Be a bit sinful.
And if you aren’t also making her feel a cherished and valued part of your family, you are also not doing your job as a man.
When I call women devilish whores, I don’t think people understand the love that I have in that statement. How inclusive it is. How pragmatic and useful.
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@walawala, please do tell us more. Do you have a blog? I’d love to hear more of your stories!
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What are some other non sequiturs like, “What color are your eyes?” that can just fit naturally into a conversation?
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@wageslave, you mean Chinese girls? Thanks, I post here if I see something interesting.
The one thing that is true is their game is extraordinary. Chinese girls invented game. They’re naturals. When someone runs game on them…they respond instantly.
In a lot of my observations they tend to want to be more dominant because it still is a largely male-dominated society where men and male babies have a premium.
That makes it all the more important for them to be all the more competitive, attractive in seeking approval and attention from their parents…which invariably transfers into the sexual life.
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@B…the “What colour are your eyes?” would only work for a flakey, artistic super alpha stud like Javier Bardem in that movie.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought from this blog that you NEVER ask a girl a question, especially one that would lead no where.
In the clip, ScarJo says “Blue”…then later says they’re “green”… What would you do with that?
I often ask, “Ok…quick…if you were an animal, what would it be?” They are often suprised by the question and say “You first”…to which I reply…”My game, my rules…you go first”…whatever they say, I usually come up with some thing ridiculous like “Dolphin?? I was going to say bear….”
That worked for me more when I”m building comfort and need some good lines…
Also, it builds intrigue. Every woman I’ve used that on “gets it” and plays along…..Sometimes I do it twice and if they say “I told you already…” I say “Yah, but your last animal choice sucked…you can do better”.
Not sure where I read that….but it’s fun and you can make it more sexual by describing yourself as a cheetah, or a panther or some other cool looking muscular cat.
Great opportunities for initiating kino after that….
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Interesting quote from Woody Allen:
“The only way that you can be happy is if you tell yourself some lies and deceive yourself, and I’m not the first person to say this or the most articulate person on it. It was said by Nietzsche, it was said by Freud, it was said by Eugene O’Neill. One must have one’s delusions to live. You look at life too honestly and clearly, life does become unbearable, because it’s a pretty grim enterprise, you must admit.”
I think by and large Allen is talking about death, not life. This life thing is pretty cool — to have it taken away sucks.
But he’s right about the lies we sometimes tell ourselves to make things bearable.
Story here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/15/entertainment/main6486833.shtml
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@walawala:
Awesome. Much obliged.
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Mopenhauer/azuzuru,
I see both sides of your posts and empathize. Red-pilling can be bad for your psyche; Neil Strauss put this in his book where he said everything felt robotic and demeaning to all involved.
I’m rather cerebral and crave lots of (non-sexual) stimulation, and one of the things I’ve learned learning about game is how boring lots of people are. I originally thought I was doing something wrong with the ladies in my youth (admittedly I was), but once I came to better understand the female nature and how to get more social points, I came to the conclusion I didn’t want much to do with 75% of American women, nor a decent portion of American men (platonically I mean).
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Gorbachev,
Nice job, sounds like a fun evening. Hell of a way to liven up those corporate mixers!
Corporate mixers are like the bar scene in that there’s lots of alcohol and a pressure to be social, but has the added benefit of people desperately trying to avoid talking about work or playing office politics on location. This latter point probably makes good game all the more effective as the audience is even more willing to be enchanted.
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Xsplat, I’m going to disagree with you. Are people selfish or unselfish? Is everything motivated by evo psych and therefore selfish? Do the intermediate conscious motives count? Or is it only the effects of actions that count, not motives?
I want to skip all that palaver and go straight to the point. Had my sister been bustled off into an arranged marriage at 15 instead of getting blasted out of her mind on everclear jello shots and “raped” by a rando drug dealer, thus losing her virginity, she would be a happy and productive part of society rather than the societally pointless slut she is now. Her life would be happier and more fulfilled, she would have a more complaisant personality, instead of gradually becoming an ever more hardened bitch.
A girl’s youth and virginity are to be treasured, because with every successive round on the cock carousel they become less worthy LTR material – and less worthy friend, relative and citizen material for similar reasons.
Motives? Selfishness? Emotional programming? Who cares. This is the bottom line.
I love my sister, and would never say this to her. But I also face reality within the privacy of my own thoughts.
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Walawala: “Not sure where I read that….but it’s fun and you can make it more sexual by describing yourself as a cheetah, or a panther or some other cool looking muscular cat.”
Heh. *ahem*
Disturbing Clown: “Totally OT: How do I become an asshole if they isn’t my natural inclination? Go out in the woods and kill something cute and fuzzy with my bare hands? Get a tattoo? Make a What Would Roissy Do wristband, what?”
I’m going to go out on a limb here with what my gut says: your “natural inclination” has been socialized out of you. What you need to do is *find* your inner asshole and let him out.
Go search Dennis Leary’s “asshole” song on YouTube, play it a few dozen times, then see if you can reach in and find where your “don’t give-a-fuck-itis” is hidden. Maybe you can even practice a few of the things he sings about ;D
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Ya, I don’t know how much we disagree JB. Nobody likes to hurt anyone. It’s also a selfish motive to want to be kind to others. That makes us happy as well.
All I know is, next time a young woman who I’m attracted to falls for my charms, I’ll likely be following through. Good? Bad? It’s what I do.
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But to show that it’s possible to be a realist, happy, and emotionally consistent, here is a thought experiment. If I had a 19 year old daughter, I’d let her date me.
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And whats more, if you were a good buddy of mine, JB, and you had a 19 year old daughter, I’d have no qualms dating her either.
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Gorbachev:
Props to you, and thanks for the report. So that we can better gauge your success, would you mind candidly telling us (1) how high your status is in your field and (2) how physically attractive you are? Only then can we fully understand the dynamics of the AO in a situation like the one where you used it.
Again, though, very nice job.
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Also, Gorbachev’s post brings up an important point about the opportunity cost of the AO, i.e. blowing it via the AO with a girl who would otherwise have been interested. I would think that here the basic rule of thumb is that the hotter the girl, the more it makes sense to just go with the AO, because common sense tells you that your chances of scoring are lower (in other words, she’s less likely to be moved by your “conventional” game so you’re less likely blowing an opportunity).
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JB,
“A girl’s youth and virginity are to be treasured, because with every successive round on the cock carousel they become less worthy LTR material – and less worthy friend, relative and citizen material for similar reasons. ”
If your argument is that this sexual Wild West is bad for society, remember that this also holds for a guy’s natural “endowments” – youthful vigor and competitive productivity. The more regular men who are forced to continually strike out against a bunch of entitled, bitchy women, the more men are going to wind up cynical and disinclined to play a provider role, a role that has underwritten the western society that brought us to where we are.
This is especially true today when women outnumber men in college yet still expect guys to wine and dine them and buy them obscenely expensive engagement rings.
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“El Gringo Loco
Gorbachev:
Props to you, and thanks for the report. So that we can better gauge your success, would you mind candidly telling us (1) how high your status is in your field and (2) how physically attractive you are? Only then can we fully understand the dynamics of the AO in a situation like the one where you used it.
Again, though, very nice job.”
Me: Job: Contractor, former full-timer after cuts (industry is contracting hard, some of us are surviving). I spend some time in front of camera, a lot of time behind it; no actual fame; my company is large and well-respected and hard to get any job with.
Physically: Exactly average height (5’9″); good physical shape, but not buff at all; about a 6.0. over all. I’ve had women say this.
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Haha, xsplat, if I had a 19 year old daughter, she’d be married. To the kind of husband who’s heavily armed and disinclined to cuckoldry.
Otherwise, glad to hear we’re mostly in agreement.
My personal ethic is this: If I game a girl to the point of fucking her, I will do my level best to keep her in my harem permanently and give her children.
While I feel there’s little harm in P&Ding hardened sluts, it’s not something I wish to degrade my soul by experiencing, as I’ve learned by trying it a few times.
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I’m surprised you didn’t note Juan’s search for the word “squeeze” as vulnerability game. Just enough to subliminally communicate that Christina can be useful to him without ruining the overall image of power.
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Gringo,
I know its hardly a secret in the PUA community that looks dont mean much for guys, but it gets disputed, so I’d like to chime in.
I’m 6’1, athletic build (not a sports guy though), look like christian slater. I also have a degree from a good school.
I can get ugly and fat girls (not that I do), but only once in a long while an 8+. Girls find my lack of confidence not just unattractive, but deserving of contempt. I have anxiety and depression issues and apparently can only cover them up for attractive girls if they are on the “rebound”. In general, my life isnt worth living. Looks mean about as much for men as decency and honesty…they dont mean shit.
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@Brando
Dude if your game is THAT bad then nothing can help you. I mean generally it helps to be able to talk, either you are nowhere near as good looking as you theorize or more likely your anxiety and depression is stifling your social skills. Girls are not going to fall on your dick just because you think you are really ridiculously goodlooking.
Also take it from another good looking guy with game. I get girls into bed who simply will not entertain your average looking guy at all no matter how good his game. Social acumen is important to fully explore your potential, but that potential has to exist in the first place.
Also it’s proven, women orgasm more often with good looking and rich lovers. Status, career, money and looks what have you are the resources. Game by definition, is the implementation.
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An unattractive guy with game (makes his girl laugh, is at ease, retains dominance and a comfortable mood, and gives great and varied sex) can out-compete a handsome guy.
A handsome guy will have greater and easier initial access.
The ugly guys only have a harder time getting in the door, and fending off the cock blocks.
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You have much to learn, young Jedi.
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Realist,
Did I say I thought they were going to fall on my dick? The whole point of my post was that that is a misconception. I am highly socially intelligent, just tend to get anxious.
I dont really think I’m all that good looking, but I’m told so, and I see hot girls with orc-ugly guys all the time. I think hot girls are going to become more rare in the future for this reason – they commit genetic suicide for greaseballs with “game”. The economics of the whole nightmare, if it lasts that long, is only going to get worse as there are less attractive white girls.
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check this out.. i’m in korea hanging out at the British pubs trolling for round eye… i see a girl that approached me several months earlier but was dating someone then so it didn’t work out. i knew she was aggressive and would probably approach me again so i kept my eye on her and counted the drinks she ordered. eventually, she comes up to me.. within 3 feet of me, she realizes we’ve met before and says something about it.. and i said “3 drinks”. she says “what are you talking about?”.. i said “it took you 3 drinks to come up to me”. she said “you bastard” and hit me. yes. i fucked her that night and many other nights. i didn’t realize the inner workings of that method until i started reading this website.
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Gorbachev,
Thanks for sharing that with us. I like your style.
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So JB, how about it. Would you come at me Tony Montana style if I dated your daughter?
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Thursday,
You have helped me find the courage to end myself, and for that I thank you.
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Brandon I hope you are kidding. If not, please call the suicide hotline or something.
Things probably seem worse than they really are because of the depression. Please don’t end yourself.
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WW, and for the purposes of anyone monitoring my IP addy, I’m JUST kidding.
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Roissy,
Re: Test
[editor: well played, gorbachev. while your perestroika wasn’t perfectly implemented you basically hit the right notes.]
Roissy, what was the most egregious error? Thinking for the next time I find a stash of Spare Testicles and a more anonymous situation than my own industry.
[editor: i wouldn’t say you had any egregious errors. just minor stuff, like this:
Three: “Whoah. Don’t think so, dude.”
Me: “Well, just asking.”
she got aggressive and you responded defensively. better to answer indignation with a simple ‘ok’, then walk off. chicks will mercilessly hound a man when he gets defensive or apologetic. other than that, most of your approaches were textbook. 1/6 is beating the odds for AO on a single night.]
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Another AO query.
Given that the potential blowout from a catastrophic failure (“Asshole douchebag.” Drink in face/slap/knee in groin), which I was precipitously on the edge of the other night during my experiment (thank God she was 95 lbs and 5’3″),
What’s the best way to avoid being nailed by the blowback?
Is it this: be prepared to be called out and, er, sent out?
Get ready to bail (gracefully)?
How do you come back with that level of sudden hostility?
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Wait. Never mind. I get it. It’s in the name.
Apocalyptic.
I’m going to posit several things about the AO:
1) This is just way too hard core for almost everyone (at least me), almost all the time. It’s an adrenaline rush. But you can lose good potentials. Big risk.
2) You can get lucky (literally), but the upside is weighted by the extreme potential negative social consequences of failure.
Containing failure needs to be thought out in advance.
3) You have to be in top form. Any hesitation and you’re boned.
It’s like formula 1 racing. You need to know where you’re going, but shit, don’t fucking hesitate.
That feeling of staring into the headlights of a car and realizing you’re the deer is like looking into an evolutionary chasm, a gun barrel shaped like a pussy.
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Update:
Six (aka Jaded Editor) called today to explain how she’s not that kind of girl. We’re hanging out again this week.
BTW
One consequence of this kind of pickup:
Absolute total ownership of the situation. Once you get over discomfort (“I’m not a slut”), you’re in total absolute command.
And the sex that AO generates is harder than granite blocks.
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OK, I just tried my own modified AO opener. I belly up to the bar, hottie next to me. We make eye contact.
I pull out my phone and say “what’s your name” she says xxxx, I say “is that with an I or E?” She’s like “what are you doing? Are you putting my name in your phone?” I ignore her as I finish typing in her name, then I look up to her deadpan and without hesitation “you come across as a cool person, what’s your number?” She chokes on her beer and spills some down the front of her. I hand her my napkin and point out a couple spots she missed. I then comment on how red her neck is and if she’s alright. She then steps close to me and under her breath gives me her number and says to call her. I smirk and walk off. About 5 minutes later she tracks me down and puts her arms around my neck and starts asking questions.
I was completely sober and my heart did skip a beat but for whatever reason, reading the russian tell his tale of AO’s I just rolled with it and never stumbled a word. I took inspiration from his field report. I was on my home turf and that helped.
I have a feeling this experience will skip my game ahead 5 years. Feeling good!
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I don’t know if I skipped my game ahead 5 years.
One thing: AO feels wasteful. You lose more good opportunities, for a risky gain. I lost two pretty good potentials for sure. Am I greedy or is wanting all three bad?
Glue
I have another theory which I’ll test. I’ll bet a woman gamed this way is gamed harder and sticks longer. Played right. I’m going to go with having to assuage the slut response initially but keeping it mostly sexual. Then presenting something she thinks she can chew on.
I’ll be following up.
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Responses to the AO can be divided into 3 classes.
1. Does that usually work? Are you serious? etc. type responses
To this you should simply say.
“That’s not an answer to my question.”
2. You don’t waste time. You’re very forward. etc type responses.
Say nothing. Keep your frame and wait for the response.
3. No.
“Ok. Have a good night.”
You should have a genuine smile on your face when you say this.
After the AO, the girl is likely to shit test you. I think if you had passed those tests, you would have found success earlier.
Of course, I have the benefit of thinking this through from the comfort of my office. You’re a brave man Gorbachev. Thanks for the report.
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@xspat,
XSPAT GAME:
1) be an american white guy
2) go to a third world shithole where you are relatively wealthy and ‘upperclass’
anything else xspat says should only be considered in this light .. you are learning to play poker from a guy who has received nothing but aces for the last 100 hands … Become a pauper xspat and see how many broads stick with you .. moron, better wake up and smell the java beans .. your serotonin sure has gone to your head.
@white woman,
In social situations there are some win-win alternatives .. but these require a sharp mind and future time orientation. People being ‘evil’ are basically playing life as if it is a one-shot prisoners dilemma .. they might not be optimizing the total gain and may be exposing themselves to black swan risks .. The human being is never good nor evil .. he is either playing a one-shot or a unlimited round prisoners dilemma .. you have to be evil or good depending on the situation .. i realize that people i meet in my life are all like this .. and i play accordingly .. never taking any power moves personally .. but on the surface its nice to act like you .. a moralizer ..
@comment_whatever,
I note your valid skepticism .. but people here are already sold on to the idea .. they think they understand women completely .. They have switched from the madonna view to a whore view .. a mere cognitive oversimplification to deal with the complexity .. but it will hurt them in the long run ..
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Haters want to hate, even if they have to make up lies.
It must reflect poorly on you that I exist, doesn’t it Unlearning?
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Just saw this:
Well, that’s the problem with kids, isn’t it? They are a grab bag of fun – you never know what the surprise is.
I wonder if I’ve ever given the impression that I pump and dump sluts?
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Hey hey hey – hold up a minute! Stop the presses. Stop the blog.
JB, did you say that you only have sex with people you plan to impregnate and keep permanently, and that you don’t have casual sex?
Are you married? A virgin? What’s up?
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Woops – I see you have tried pump and dumps. I’m still fascinated though by your attitude of sex for procreational purposes only. Or how is it that you explain your ethos? No sex without future procreational purpose?
I’m blown away. Completely blown away.
Aren’t you even in to birth control? Are you a baby freak or something?
Wanna here my plan? I think you’ll find it entertaining. I will wait until I’m about 65, then get 20 wives and pump out a kid every year or two with each. I’ll wind up with 100 kids.
Until then, NO BABIES!
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And come one, let me egg you on just a bit, JB. What if you found out that I had seduced your daughter, that she was in love with me, and that she planned to move in to live with me in my Villa in Spain and continue her studies as a musician in Barcelona?
Should I be expecting the full Tony Montana treatment?
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xsplat: We all believe you. deep calming breaths for you now.
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My style is more No Country for Old Men than Tony Montana. Going after someone for a mutual seduction by a stranger doesn’t make sense – the girl wanted it too, so what did the guy do wrong? Hence arranged marriages at 15.
One of the nice things about game is it gives one confidence in one’s future influence over one’s young daughters, and also makes one an excellent judge of which marriage suitors would most probably result in permanent white picket fences.
I don’t know whether you pump or dump. Roissy does so it’s relevant here. It’s a common PUA lifestyle choice.
That’s right, my attitude with a girl I’m banging is that I own her body and soul, for life, and am responsible for providing the minimum requirements for her happiness. Unless she betrays my trust or leaves me, which would dissolve my obligations. This is especially true since I tend to select virgins who fall in love completely, who would be destroyed if I left them. To me, this is what female love should be.
I am neither a virgin nor married, and I definitely fuck non-procreatively. Game is not the totality of my soul. There are philosophical, aesthetic, ethical and religious aspects to me as well. This compromise is the center I’ve settled into via experimentation.
In the case of the drug dealer, there are mitigating circumstances. What he did was rude, heartless and destructive – deflowering a 15 year old who got out of her depth due to inexperience with jello shots, then dropping her. I’m rude and heartless enough to give him a beating or a kneecapping once things die down, but he doesn’t deserve to die for it. Perhaps he deserves less; I’m hardly impartial, nor do I feel especially pressed to be.
To answer your scenario, it depends. Some of the ninja-esque seductions Casanova pulled off, using the guardians’ trust to get at cloistered girls, would merit a beatdown or worse. But the random restaurant pickup is just natural life. So I’d probably congratulate you on a smooth pickup, write her off as a temporary harem girl, and relax about the whole situation.
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My other comment’s in moderation purgatory for an f’bomb.
But yeah, your plan is amusing. I too dream of a Genghis sized legacy. There’s something heart and balls expanding about looking around the pride and seeing all the cubs look like you.
Plus, let’s face it, my genes are the shiznit. How many high IQ white males are there relative to the global population? It’s like community service, save the planet, the only activism that really works.
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@Gorbachev….
Question:
Would the AO approach work with girls who you know casually….had previously been getting IOI’s with?
Or does it need to be a completely anonymous approach?
What would happen if you saw those other ones you approached again? Would it be awkward?
I’m thinking of how to try this.
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walawala
@Gorbachev….
Question:
Would the AO approach work with girls who you know casually….had previously been getting IOI’s with?
Or does it need to be a completely anonymous approach?
What would happen if you saw those other ones you approached again? Would it be awkward?
I’m thinking of how to try this.
Walawala,
My experiment was situational. I don’t know if I’d have the courage to repeat this freely again without conditions being right. The social impact of approaching someone you might meet again might be powerfully negative. Like the aftermath of a war.
I’m guessing most of the power of the approach comes from the sudden impact: it’s like a pickup nuclear bomb. Watch out for fallout.
You’ll be called a pickup artist to your face, for sure. That comes with a negative tag. And if you have to see people again, soon, then it might go badly.
I can envisage several results.
All I know for sure is that it could be social suicide.
My question is: Using it on an already existing IOI out of curiosity might be okay, but it’s also a little bit lazy. Why rush it when game will get you the prize?
I think, given the low success level, it would be better to use in situations where you won’t get much success either way. There, it saves time.
And just might find a willing target.
Anyone else with experience might want to hypothesize.
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thanks for this share… 😉
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“I think, given the low success level, it would be better to use in situations where you won’t get much success either way. There, it saves time.”
I don’t know…hitting paydirt after six approaches doesn’t seem that bad. Granted, it would seem like an eternity of rejection after the first couple “no” to me, and I have not the testicular fortitude to do what you did, but 1 of 6?
I’d like to nominate Gorbachev for a Titanium Testicles Award. Any second?
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Well, does anyone have advice on how I can live in a world like this? I mean I just don’t want to be around humans any more, if they are what evopsych says they are. I feel like I’m among wolves. I would never voluntarily have anything to do with a human. And as for the involuntary need for employment, it just doesn’t seem worth working just to live among wolves. I’ve been leeching off my parents for a year now, but they’ll throw me out in August.
I mean what kind of life can I live? This isn’t about “girls”, its about human nature. I just can’t comprehend the insane cruelty of man, just like man can’t comprehend my anti-gene worldview
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The JB starting at 11:44 am is a different JB.
Mopenhauer: your philosophy and sense of morality is just all wrong; there’s nothing wrong with Nietzschean philosophy.
Here’s the basic reason: a morality that rewards weakness (and basically being a piece of shit of a failure of a human being) is a morality that doesn’t aid humanity but holds it back and potentially destroys it. You want the world to coddle your weaknesses, tell you it’s all ok, that all those meanies are bad and you’re good.
But that’s all bullshit. You are all alone in the universe. Yes, human beings are capable of altruism, but it is a RECIPROCAL altruism. You gotta pull your fucking weight – in relationships and in society. And in order to pull your own weight you have to develop personal power. Adopting a loser’s “philosophy” is counterproductive to that effect. Where do such concepts as “dignity”, “self-respect”, “worthiness” enter into your worldview?
PU isn’t cruelty. It is reality. Women don’t want weak, supplicating sissies. They want strength and power.
So this isn’t about the world, mankind and society. It’s about you. Are you going to be a pussy or are you going to be a man? Are you going to do what it takes to erase or at least reduce your sense of weakness and impotence? Because there are ways of doing so.
But no-one will force you to. The choice is yours.
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It’s early in the day yet here, but this is the best news I’ve heard yet, JB.
I have to say my reality got all fucked up when I read the false JB. Didn’t sound like you at all.
My respect for you is restored. That other JB is a dweeb.
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I commented occasionally long before “original JB” showed up.
We’ll all continue to turn to you for advice on gaming the undeveloped minds of Indonesian women.
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That’s one of my favorite movies, and definitely the favorite scene in that movie. I’ve posted it to some forum that discussed the game before and was very glad to find you analyzing it too (and in a much more constructive fashion!) 🙂
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“They have switched from the madonna view to a whore view .. a mere cognitive oversimplification to deal with the complexity .. but it will hurt them in the long run ..”
The madonna was a product of the times(woman’s role) and a man’s pedestalization(man’s role); to rid of that complex men were told that every woman is a whore underneath.
Turned out to be true.Maybe it was never under doubt.
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Well, does anyone have advice on how I can live in a world like this? I mean I just don’t want to be around humans any more, if they are what evopsych says they are. I feel like I’m among wolves…I mean what kind of life can I live? This isn’t about “girls”, its about human nature. I just can’t comprehend the insane cruelty of man
Behold your future:
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testing
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My friend’s mother saw this film and said that Bardem was exactly like his father in this movie. My friend didn’t grow up w/ his father yet has always been able to sleep w/ women. His game has changed and also morphed to the situation. He has been direct like this film and more subtle when the situation needs it. He is not an artist nor a particularly good looking guy. When I tell women friends of his accomplishments they are usually surprised as far as his looks go. But his persistence, being unafraid of failure, and flexibility in reading situations has consistently yielded him multiple women on the go. I’ve seen it happen many times.
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1. Cristina starts self-touching as soon as Juan asks about her eye color.
2. “We leave in 1 hour.” = Scarcity.
3. No smiling!
Rejection is the ultimate shit test.
Think it over.
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Quite a few good moments in My Best Friend’s Girl. Too bad it went the typical romcom copout at the end where he goes beta. Up to that point it was solid though.
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AO Experiment Update
My theory seems to be being borne out.
A girl gamed in this manner is gamed harder. I have to assuage the I’mNotASlut rationalization mechanism, but Jaded Editor is sticky like glue.
Now if I can only repeat this without losing my courage.
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This whole movie was pure game.
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If this wasn’t the type of movie that I assume it is, and was real life instead, I could see the blonde chick ending up in a body bag, or drugged up in some guy’s home who bought her after she was kidnapped and sold.
I think that the brunette was rather level-headed, given that going off with a complete stranger to a place you don’t know is one of the biggest half-cocked idiotic moves that a girl can make. Knew girls like that who ended up raped (and no, I don’t mean she was doped up, or drinking or anything). Genuine shock.
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Allright JB, I’ve no quibbles with that attitude.
All I know is from my personal experience I had to:
1) get fucked over many times in order to harsh up enough to deal properly with women – ruthlessly
2) Date some girls I didn’t love or much care about, in order to know what it’s like to have hand
3) date a lot in order to learn to highlight the positives and use operant conditioning to do what you say is your goal – to get completely under the skin of the woman
These are skills I’m still honing. Like many guys here, I completely sucked at being man in my twenties. I find it hard to see how you can get from A to F without passing through the intermediate letters – many of which really suck.
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I have watched this movie and I never thought it could be explained that way. LOL. Great job!
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I’m weirdly disgusted by the groupie.
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