Reader Mike sent me a media release for a book signing by a guy named James Henry (a name like that screams old-fashioned white knighter), who authored a book titled “The Laws of Love: A Guide to Gallantry“. Here is an excerpt of the release:
AS COURTSHIP DECLINES, CONCERN FOR CHIVALRY IS ON THE RISE
A New Book The Laws of Love: A Guide to Gallantry, Helps Induce Gallantry.
Book Launch and Signing: Wednesday February 10th & Sunday, February 14th 2010
[Washington, DC] – In a time when courtship is on the decline and hedonism is on the rise, one gentleman has stood up against the tide with the power of words and seductive suggestion. Washington, DC native James Henry, an author galvanized by the decline of chivalry, announces the release of his new book, The Laws of Love: The Guide to Gallantry,with a reception and book signing on Wednesday, February 10th at ACKC chocolate shop and Saturday and Sunday of Valentine’s weekend (February 13th & 14th) at the newly opened The Tasting Room wine bars in Reston, VA and Friendship Heights.
A contemporary manual, inspired by a 19th century French love guide, gives gallant advice on the art of courtship for today’s love-starved society.
“These days with the instant nature of news and information, few people make the time to read anything in depth, so I felt that good messages could be better conveyed with fun illustrations and humorous maxims.” Consider them “inspiration to greatness” describes Henry.
Next Wednesday, February 10th, in the lead up to Valentine’s Day, Henry will officially release his new publication with a book signing at ACKC, a chocolate shop and café in Logan Circle, Washington, DC. [ed: a chocolate shop and cafe sounds like the perfect venue for a book this emasculating.]
Now I wonder why a 19th century French love guide would recommend chivalry for men? I’m trying to think about how 19th century France differed from 21st century America, but I just can’t quite put my finger on it. It’s a mystery!
I’m not an anti-chivalry crusader. If you want to be Gallant to the world’s Goofuses, go right ahead. You’ll be digging your own celibacy grave, but that’s one less competitor to me. If you live in some weird time warp American town where gallantry will help get you laid with hot babes, then be all the white knight you can be. Game is about doing what works.
But you’ll be working against the odds. Millions of men from all over the world have reached the conclusion through actual experience in the field that opening doors, throwing jackets over puddles, waiting to sit until she’s been seated first, and buying her drinks are tingle killers of the first order. Gallant doesn’t go home with the babe in 2010 America; Gallant watches perplexed as the babe thanks him for the free drink and then make outs with Gus the Inconsiderate Douchebag.
I have a hard time believing that this guy James Henry is a native of DC and still thinks gallantry is what will help men score with DC girls. Either he’s lying for fun and profit, or he’s gay.
About the only reason I could recommend chivalry as a course of action for the typical man would be if we lived in a world where nearly all men stopped indulging women, and white knighters abandoned their lances for a more cynical, self-centered calculation. With chivalry long dead, a lone knight-errant could conceivably stride onto the scene and turn girls’ heads by doing something no other man is doing. In such a scenario, where women theoretically craved the chivalric attentions of men, buying a girl a free drink might actually be good game. But I really don’t see any evidence for this happening at all in our lifetimes. Chivalry is pretty much dead as it is, and girls are still responding positively to “I don’t buy girls drinks, but you can buy me one.”
He’s not looking for DC sluts. He’s looking for a lady. Ladies like gentlemen. Sluts don’t.
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The book mightn’t be as bad as it sounds.
Some of those old Frenchies had pretty good game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Choderlos_de_Laclos
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Quick look at the book’s website and the conclusion: While the book is no doubt gays-as-aids, the advice isn’t really beta as much as just lame (and rhyming.)
For instance:
http://www.gallantryguide.com/advice.php?11
http://www.gallantryguide.com/advice.php?3
Not really beta advice, just really f-ing cheesy. Obviously, James Henry is a homo. But not he most beta book ever.
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lzozllzzolzlzlz zzozllz
one of the things that chivalry requires is a lady
one of the things that marriage requires is a loyal virgin
lozlzlzlzlz! you womenz fucked it all up with that sex and the city shit from fifth grade on! no kids 4 u! just cats lotsa lotsa cats lzozlzlzozlzzlzlzzlzl as your gina dries up and your anus bleeds from teh neocon promoted sex / desouling programs
so likes when you seez a hottie stluttie grinding on teh dance floor do you walk up and say
a) pardon me, may i have the next grind?
b) can i buy you a drink while this shiny-shirt douchebag here humps your ass with his denim cock?
c) shut up and take the free side–front or back–it don’t matter
the anser is C!!!
c) is the most chivalrous answer as by talking to a girl at a club you are snubbing her ass lzozllzlzlz omg lzozlz
and the neocon butthexers will cum 4 u and teach you the fiat butthex way to doomsday. lzozllzlzl.
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this book could get him some poon, awfully hard work for it, but maybe he’s going the route of hearts and shooting the moon here.
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especially that chocolate shop. here’s a few lines from the ackc web site:
Once upon a time in a quaint confectionery shop in the bustling village of Alexandria, two men – Rob Kingsbury and Eric Nelson – stumbled upon a topic of conversation that would change their lives. Each had a passion for chocolate, a love of fine art, and an adoration of Hollywood divas. While discussing the truly esoteric subjects of Lucille Ball’s chocolate-making ineptitude and totally inspired hair color, it hit them.
yeah, that sounds like exactly the sort of place i would go for advice on how to relate to women.
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In my opinion, you guys are confusing chivalry with wimpiness. A real alpha CAN be chivalrous because he has other things in his life that give him credibility.
For instance, if Mel Gibson opened a door for me or bought me a drink, it wouldn’t ruin my image of him as an accomplished actor and director. He’s the REAL DEAL (although his past (?) drinking problem could be an issue). Perhaps men should try getting accomplished at something…anything…rather than trying to cast spells on women so they can get laid. At the end of the day…even if you suck at relationships…you’ll still know you are a man that can “do stuff”.
But I’m just a chick so I doubt anyone cares what I think. Have an awesome day anyway.
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I bet that book signing would have been a great place to pick up slutty girls.
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Just had a look at the website. Some of the advice isn’t too bad, but as for the writer himself:
He’s one day late for Beta of the month.
Man makes yesterday’s contenders look like Sinatra, circa 1959
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Gallantry can still work, but I wouldn’t call buying a girl a drink being gallant.
“Gallantry” can actually work really well, as long as it is always a bit over the top, mocking the girl a bit. In a way, it is a constant neg, because you are showing her how you theoretically might put her on a pedestal, but at the same time, showing how she isn’t yet worth doing so seriously. Drop a couple gallant gestures, followed by a few facetiously florid compliments. Every once in a while, act distracted and you will find that she will start flirting back to regain your attentions. Soon, she’s the one chasing you. Basic game principles, applied differently.
It works well on the smarter, less feminine girls who insist that game doesn’t work on them. Sometimes, it’s less fun to always beat them over the head with your uber-alphaness and more fun to pull a little jujitsu and flip the script on them.
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If applied sensibly, the knight routine works very well in much of middle and southern America (if you don’t go all overboard on it).
An Alpha (or upper Beta) can make chivilrous game work very well for him. It will tend to get more keeper quality girls and fewer one night stands though (but if that is what you want, it has merit as a part of the tools of the trade).
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omg–what he really meant 2 write:
Art. 3. Love is like a butthex, it’s no fun to sleep with if it’s not in your anus.
Art. 1. Butthex has a funny way of bringing lovers closer.
Art. 5. Butthex is a cosmic dance with an ass. In waters where you least think it, there will be a fish & shit instead of fish & chips.
http://www.gallantryguide.com/advice.php?1
Art. 8. Nobody is too old or too powerful to be a fool in butthex.
lzozlzllz lzozlzlzl
one of the funny things is that you have all these “gallant” betas but never in a million years would they ever stand up to the necon butthexers and those bankrupting the ocuntry and killing the constitution, losing themselves in their little games of patty-cake love. lzozl
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J R
“Once upon a time in a quaint confectionery shop in the bustling village of Alexandria, ……..
While discussing the truly esoteric subjects of Lucille Ball’s chocolate-making ineptitude and totally inspired hair color, it hit them.”
Maybe they’re playing DEEP aloofness game.
But I somehow doubt it.
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Each had a passion for chocolate,
GAY!
a love of fine art,
GAY!
and an adoration of Hollywood divas.
GAY!
While discussing the truly esoteric subjects of Lucille Ball’s chocolate-making ineptitude and totally inspired hair color
GAY!
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I agree that gallantry can be quite effective but ONLY IF you have already established alpha cred. As an initial approach it sucks.
j r,
Thanks to your excerpt I don’t have to go there to see how gay it is. Not a place for realistic views of male-female dynamics.
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Titan has it right. Mixing in a bit of chivalry alongside Alpha tends to retain certain types of girls.
I wouldn’t use it for pick ups in bars, however; know your target audience.
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Holding a relationship advice book signing in a chocolate shop with a wine tasting room? Who knows, this guy might be crazy like a fox. How many R&B crooners sing about “Girl I’ll treat you right”, “whatever you want”, “you’re the only one”, etc. And then go back and bang cornicopia of groupie sluts in their dressing rooms?
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My friend buys drinks for girls all the time, and gets laid.
He’s reasonably good looking and well groomed, so he gets a lot of mild IOIs in bars. So when a girl gives him a look or something, he disappears from her sight for maybe 20 minutes, then comes out of the blue and says something like “hey babe, I bought you this drink, it somehow reminded of you”, and then turns his back on the girl and goes somewhere else. Maybe 50 per cent of the time the girl will come up to him and ask what the drink was, and why it reminded him of her, and then it’s on… (Of course, the drink is always something sexual or a neg.)
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chivalry, gallantry, whatever you want to call, it’s fine as long as it is earned. treat women they way they deserve to be treated (ie based on their actions) and you won’t go wrong.
thinking that gallantry is going to make you more attractive to women is just plain stupid.
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@White Woman
“He’s not looking for DC sluts. He’s looking for a lady. Ladies like gentlemen. Sluts don’t.”
I think that the only answer to this is:
lzozllzlzlz
Get real, social dominance is ALL THAT MATTERS. Game teachs you that, that’s why it works.
I have seen waaaaaay too many “ladies” opening their legs to Random Douchebaggacious Douchebag to take that seriously.
Married women discussing all their sexual fantasies with the old guy in TV. Bunch of teatches hiring a male stipper and almost eating him alive. 19 year old holing a sign saying “I LOVE YOU CHAVEZ”(Hugo).
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Couldn’t chivalry work in the South?
I live in Sweden where it would never work. Just curious.
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Great scenes of beta on the small screen:
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“Who knows, this guy might be crazy like a fox.”
Hell, if it works, fair dues. To be honest, a world where chivalry was still the best courtship strategy would be a far more pleasant place than this world. Betas would be a lot happier.
But seems to me that it’s a “pretty lie”. The war’s over, the cads won.
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Props to madras for digging up the lame-as-fuck excerpts. Not a book to waste your money on.
But the idea isn’t bad, if executed properly. I used to live in a liberal but small-ish college town, and knew a guy there who was roughly 60 but had two hot girlfriends (one early 20s, one early 30s) who knew about each other and were fine with the situation (except the younger one was annoyed that the other one wasn’t bi). He prided himself on being a gentleman, and viewed it as a show of strength. And he wasn’t banking on a high-powered job–at the time I met him, he was trying to get a masters degree for some reason. Lesson: anything done from a position of strength can be alpha. In fact, shunning the tactics of lesser alphas can be part of what makes the greater alpha.
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Gx1080 – Lady is as lady does. If she open her legs, she wasn’t a lady.
A lot of the ladies are home crocheting sweaters not getting drunk and taking Extasy at bars. Capisci?
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Same thing in the South. Watch ‘Dazed and Confused’ for insight into Southern flavored game.
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@ White woman. Something tells me that you’d have gotten all hot and bothered for Mel Gibson regardless of whether he bought you a drink or not. Being a famous, uber high status movie star, I’m guessing that all he had to do to get into the tingle zone was not be a total jackass.
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To White Woman,
>In my opinion, you guys are confusing chivalry with wimpiness. A real alpha CAN be chivalrous because he has other things in his life that give him credibility.
I think that chivalry and supplication look almost identical to a woman and most of the behavior towards women falls into the latter category (and white woman if you are at least reasonably attractive this should have been your experience). In order for the chivalrous man to not be confused with the supplicating man he needs a certain level of “credibility”. My experience is that the level of credibility needed is ridiculously high. Sure it works for movie stars, stunningly attractive men, and men who have personal entourages: but the rest of us do not fall into that category. I know web millionaires and investment bankers who are insufficiently high status for their chivalry (although the i-banker these days is increasingly an asshole…) for women that would generally count as 6’s or 7’s.
Also women are generally most impressed by a small class of accomplishment: namely the arts, sports, and occasionally politics. The first two of these things are nice to have but they are hardly the backbone of our society. Engineers, businessmen, and sometimes scientists tend to produce the innovations that drive the economy and civilization forward. Women’s attraction is not necessarily triggered by those things which are socially important (neither are guys’ for that matter). It simply gets triggered, these guys’ accomplishments are important but would mean that their chivalry would be interpreted as supplication.
Its an ugly truth. In order to not be mistaken for a low-status man one would have to attain this ridiculous achievement criterion. No thanks. I would much rather be a researcher.
I’ve also found that if I alternate between chivalry and assholeness (or at least what I would consider asshole behavior based on my proper Christian upbringing) my women are the happiest. For instance opening the door for a girl and then commenting on how bold she is to wear that particular pair of jeans.
I also guess that the men a 6 believes are both high status and chivalrous are probably so high-status that those men could probably sleep with more attractive women easily.
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Don’t confuse good manners with hopeless “gallantry” or even anything remotely beta. You can have impeccable manners, and be the most ruthless, ass getting Alpha out there.
If anything, it can be a huge part of your game. Differentiates you from all the dicksmacks out there and is a big part of “Southern game” as somebody mentioned above.
Game aside, the first commenter was absolutely right.
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Yes, The Specimen, because he is accomplished. I was just using him as an example though. I also get into “the tingle zone” if a man has his own business…even if it’s not super successful…I also like a man who has a vision and is working toward it. It’s a huge turn on if a man is really knowledgable about a subject that interests me. Someone negging me…telling me I remind him of his baby sister just irritates me…even more since I.ve learned it’s a “technique”. If you guys want a quality woman…you need to have substance. TRUE quality women don’t fall for bs routines. They are attracted to TRUE quality. If they fall for bs only…they aren’t quality women.
btw, my tingle zone is my brain, not my gina…I can’t speak for all women but my gina itself doesn’t tingle…if I get some sexual feelings it’s after I know the guy for a while and would actually consider him as an eventual sex parner (after marriage). The sexual feelings are more like an ache in my stomach, rather than a tingle. Just thought I’d share that with you, since we’re anonymous and all….
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“For instance, if Mel Gibson opened a door for me or bought me a drink, it wouldn’t ruin my image of him as an accomplished actor and director. He’s the REAL DEAL (although his past (?) drinking problem could be an issue). Perhaps men should try getting accomplished at something…anything…rather than trying to cast spells on women so they can get laid. At the end of the day…even if you suck at relationships…you’ll still know you are a man that can “do stuff”.”
Eh…I don’t think that’s completely true, I think a woman would be more attracted to status…more so than accomplishments…
Bill Gates is a more accomplished businessman than Donald Trump
but Trump has the social status and swagger to make the “ginas tingle” (for lack of a better term)
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Not saying that a certain amount of game doesn’t have it’s place…but you need to be able to back it up.
[editor: no you don’t. game is an effective shortcut to sex and love. men now don’t need to bust their asses for overpriced pussy.
of course, succeeding at a goal couldn’t hurt, but men who want to do that should do it for their own selfish reasons, and not to impress any women.]
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@White Woman
“Perhaps men should try getting accomplished at something…anything…rather than trying to cast spells on women so they can get laid.”
Very good advice. A little less time spent on this website and a little more time improving themselves as people would benefit a lot of the men on here. I always admire men that are very skilled at something.
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Anonymous at 12:16. I think we’re on the same page.
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Romantic gestures are designed to one thing, and that is to humble one’s self. Remember that women were considered a different class in the past and most chivalrous acts were expected from the nobility. They lower a man’s status when his is too high in relation to his love interest. Its romantic when a prince gives a peasant girl a flower. That is why its a female fantasy. Its romantic when you take a Polish chamber maid to dinner. It is very effective in that context and that context alone. It allows for the woman in question to feel confident enough to belong. The average Joe looking at this tactic will ruin himself unless he is trying to encourage a fat chick with no confidence. In that case, buying her a nice big romantic dinner may help(but why would you do that?).
The worst thing a man can do, when his status is essentially equal, is to humble himself to lower his status. So to make clear an act of romance is specifically the case of a man humbling himself. Isn’t dropping on one knee obvious? Do this only when high status is established. In the case of a desperate groupie or a particularly shy girl, it works. It is only a measure against unattainably which is a rare problem for most.
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Regarding BillGates vs. Donald Trump. It depends on who was more interesting when I sat down to talk with them. I’m pretty sure I’d like Gates better as a person because Donald Trumps bragging is ridiculous and he doesn’t seem like he’d be a stable marriage partner as opposed to Gates, who has been married forever. Gates might be too intelligent for me…if he started talking about computer stuff…I’d hang in there as long as I could but I might be peeking over his shoulder to see if Mel was around.
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A chivarlous man can impress today. Why?
Because 90 percent of men are not
Chivalous. I am not even sure they know what
That means. If they do then they ignore it.
But like White Woman says a lady will respond.
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Here is my theory on white-knighting. White Knighting works if the girl is in genuine distress, and doesn’t ask for your help. As soon as she asks for it, it feels less like being rescued and more like your just another lame guy doing what she asks. Every girl wants to be white-knighted … by an alpha. Why do you think the “girl being rescued theme” is in so many movies. I know that often the best pick-up attemps I’ve gotten is when a suave guy helped get rid of some annoying beta that was picking me up. Girls do want to be taken care of, just not by chodes.
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Roissy –
Please tell me you are going to this book launching party and picking up on all the women that will be there. Please.
Cheers.
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Thank God for this dude. He will make my job easier as scores of white knighters push the girls my way.
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@White Woman
A lot of the ladies are home crocheting sweaters not getting drunk and taking Extasy at bars. Capisci?
Actually the ladies are working furiously to change marriage laws back to ver 1.0. Any day now they will make their voices heard.
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@White Woman
“In my opinion, you guys are confusing chivalry with wimpiness. A real alpha CAN be chivalrous because he has other things in his life that give him credibility.
For instance, if Mel Gibson opened a door for me or bought me a drink, it wouldn’t ruin my image of him as an accomplished actor and director. He’s the REAL DEAL (although his past (?) drinking problem could be an issue)”
A classic example. You, as a relative nobody, would consider Mel unattainable. To bed you, buying you a drink would increase his chances much like an alien abduction is the only way to ride in a flying saucer. Your problem is that Mel can bed a young hot Russian. For most men who are not wealthy and famous, they need to adjust status upward.
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Is brilliant. Currently on train, but reading this book will have to take priority over the other suggestion for occupying oneself during train journeys suggested by Xsplat on a previous thread.
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“Pardon me, may I have the next grind?”
-That’s gold right there. Hilarious.
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@kaikou “But like White Woman says a lady will respond.”
Yes, she will respond by allowing you (the AFC) to spend all your money on her and then trot off to have sex bent over a motorcycle in the alley behind the nice restaurant you brought her to with an inked-up thug. (I know, I know – then she’s not a lady).
You know what, I’d really, really like to find a nice lady who sits at home crocheting sweaters while thinking up new, ever-expanding ways to spend my earnings. Sigh!
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Dalrock-yes I’ve been watching Missouri in particular. Great stuff.
chi-town Sweetie, I was just using Mel as an example because we all know who he is. Of course he wouldn’t be into me. It was in a hypothetical situation.
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If you yourself are an average guy in every sense of the word, then why would you be less than content with average girls?
It seems that most of the posters on here are wannabes. If you want 8s and 9s every single day of the week, you need to get on that level. It seems pretty simple to me, and “game” ain’t gonna get you there.
Instead of negs and reverse psychology, try this technique next time you’re out on the town: “It’s late. Let’s get outta here.” Simple. If she says no, then try the next girl. That’s what high status men do, right?
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@White Woman
“Lady is as lady does. If she open her legs, she wasn’t a lady.”
Sounds familiar.
“No true Scotsman would do such a thing.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
[ed: zing!]
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PT-a REALLY nice lady crocheting sweaters would (if she were your wife) be thinking about ways to be a better mom and wife. She would be thinking of ways to economize so that her family, including her husband could stay afloat during this recession or while he built his business or whatever….OR she might be going down her mental to-do list of what she needed to accomplish before going to HER job the next morning…here’s how it may go: Bathethekidscutheirtoenailsmakesuretheybrushtheirteethwashthedishesthrowinaloadoflaundryfoldaloadoflaundrymakesurehusbandkidsandherclothesareironediftheycantafforddrycleaningmakebrownbaglunchesforeveryonereadabedtimestorytothekidsallaytheirfearswhentheyreafraidofthedarkfinishlistofmilketcthatneedtobepickedupatthestoreafterworktomorrowtakeabathputonsomethingsexyandneverneverneverneverletyouforgetyoureaman
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darn I confused wordpress.
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Lads, you might want to take a deep breath & ensure you are sitting comfortably before clicking on this link
http://www.chivalrynow.net/articles/trusts.htm
There is a version for women too (click on Equesta).
In fairness, not all of the suggestions are bad.
SDaedalus would so love to read a Renegade Code of Chivalry (Roissery?)
Although SDaedalus is perfectly happy to carry her own bags & opening her own doors, she does appreciate those men who occasionally offer to help her out in this regard.
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I disagree BF. You are what you DO on a regular basis. Sure people aren’t perfect and they mess up from time to time, but if a woman opens her legs to every Tom, DICK and Harry that “says the right thing”, she’s no lady.
Seems pretty obvious.
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@White Woman, @Laura
M’ladies, shutteth thy gobs.
Chivalry only works if a woman is otherwise attracted to the man.
Which is why White Knights must always oil their own codpieces lest they rust shut.
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laughing at all these tools and supposed “women” who leave comments denigrating game and recommending men do a b or c instead. you have to wonder why they think there’s millions of game sites, books and seminars and why so many men would waste their time if it not only didn’t work, but ::wasn’t necessary::
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Also, as a long-time practitioner of tongue-in-cheek herself, SDaedalus strongly suspects Mr Henry (who is NOT gay iho) of having a wicked sense of humor. This couldn’t be The Book We’ve All Been Waiting For…. or could it?
Also, forget about the Manners & Love books, when is the one about Money coming out? Some of us are somewhat strapped for cash at present, and would welcome a few tips on how to increase straitened funds…
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@ White woman
Exactly. If she likes you, she likes you. Buying her a drink isn’t going to change her mind if she doesn’t. So why buy a woman a drink on the approach if it’s not going to improve your chances and sets you up for possible frustration?
As far as routines go, how is using a routine any different from having an entertaing story to tell? As a woman you’ve never really had to deal with the anxiety that comes along with approaching a woman you don’t know and trying to strike up a conversation in the face of outright romantic rejection. Until you do, I don’t think you should judge anything guys do to mitigate it.
And when you say the gina doesn’t tingle, we don’t believe you, you need more people. The victorian era is long gone. Male female relations are way past sitting around having crumpets and tea in a conservatory, saying “let’s not have sex” to each other in faux biritsh accents, and it’s for the better. Getting excited when you see an attractive member of the opposite sex half naked doesn’t make you a ho bag.
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http://www.chivalrynow.net/articles/trusts.htm
lozlzlzl! here it is for men:
Upon my honor,
1. I will develop my life for the greater good.
2. I will place character above riches, and concern for others above personal wealth.
3. I will never boast, but cherish humility instead.
4. I will speak the truth at all times, and forever keep my word.
5. I will defend those who cannot defend themselves.
6. I will honor and respect women, and refute sexism in all its guises.
7. I will uphold justice by being fair to all.
8. I will be faithful in love and loyal in friendship.
9. I will abhor scandals and gossip-neither partake nor delight in them.
10. I will be generous to the poor and to those who need help.
11. I will forgive when asked, that my own mistakes will be forgiven.
12. I will live my life with courtesy and honor from this day forward.
and here it is for womenz
Upon my honor,
1. I will spread my legs for the greater douchebags.
2. I will place asshattery and peacocking above character, and concern for satiating my gina tingles above truth, marriage, and children.
3. I will never boast, but cherish humility instead, humbling myself before alpha cocka.
4. I will speak bernanke’s fiat truth at all times, and forever keep the bankers’ word and secret that i have been deosuled and trained to transfer welath from men.
5. I will defend those fiat bankers and asshole douchebags who cannot defend themselves, as we together create laws to enslave the betas.
6. I will honor and respect assholes and douchebags, and refute sexism in all its guises, while wearing short skirts so that when a beta looks at me we can throw him in prison and seize his assets.
7. I will uphold justice by divorcing my husband in a court of law and give the children to the state and my husband’s assetts to bernanke.
8. I will be faithful in butthex love (for that night) and loyal in friendship with my beta firends to whom i can complain of my sore anus form that massive cock just last night. omg does it hurt lzozlzl
9. I will adore scandals and gossip-always partake and delight in them.
10. I will be generous to the poor assholes who pumped and dumped me and to those alphas who need help getting off, unless it is my beta husband who needs help doing the dishes.
11. I will never forgive when asked, but demand that my own adultery and butthex videos will be not only forgiven but financially rewarded and subsidzed and promoted via the neocn’s laws.
12. I will live my life with courtesy and honor from this day forward, courtesy meaning that i will lick the shit off his dick after he butthexes me and tapes it without my consent, and honor being whatever jonah goldberg and teh neocon’s weekly standard deifnes honor as. lzozlzlzl!
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The concept of Chivalry is simply an associative part of Beta Game in 2010. It’s the perfect unassailable rationalization for an AFC/Beta mindset. The Beta internalizes this fantasy and plays it out in an effort to sell himself as “not-like-other-guys” to qualify himself for female intimacy. He believes he’s unique and women will appreciate him for this, when in fact his breed is in the overwhelming majority.
One of the reasons I loathe hearing men tell me about concepts of Chivalry is that this is so often the first thing I get from desperate AFCs rationalizing as to why they’re going to marry a single mommy with 3 kids from 2 fathers. Is he Cap’n-Save-A-Ho with no other options or a handsome prince riding in to rescue his “Quality Woman” by saving her from her conditions, “Manning up” and taking on the parental investment responsibilities that her former partner’s would not? I have no doubt he’d see himself as being honorable, moral and resolute in accepting and forgiving her proactive infidelity. I can’t think of a more efficient psychological tool / social convention that would facilitate, once again, securing the best genetic potential and the best provisioning potential for a woman in one life span.
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@Chi-Town
You nailed it, sir.
Most desireable women instinctively look down on men whom approach them, as course of default. Until that is, they demonstrate high value and the bitch shield comes down.
Chivalry therefore is an exercise in shooting yourself in the foot. Why subliminally (and overtly) lower your status when she wants you to do the exact opposite.
If you’re going to open the door for her… at least smack her ass while she walks through it.
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“It’s late. Let’s get outta here.” Simple. If she says no, then try the next girl. That’s what high status men do, right?
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No. If you’re seriously high-status she will be approaching you.
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oh, good, I couldn’t figure out how to find the list for women (apparently I can only follow direct links and not use clues to access the contents of the website myself) but thankfully greatbooksformen has helped me all out. Plus the vicarious joy of sharing someone’s open fascination with butthex, a new experience for me.
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This post reminds me of an old saying:
Chivalry is dead, and feminism killed it.
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White Woman I agree with you in theory. The only problem is the supply of at least quasi attractive women who will bring a short sexual history and economic prudence into a marriage is decreasing at an increasing rate, while demand, if anything, is increasing.
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@ sdaedalus
Tongue-in-cheek? Or tongue-in-some-other-dude’s-cheek?
@Rollo Tomassi
That.
@Greatbooks
Women on chivalry: I wish this asshole would do something nice. Gobble, gobble, gobble.
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Roissy often talks about how critical it is to change the venue with a woman immediately after gaming her so as to reduce the chances of her flaking the next day or when you call.
Buying food (not drinks) in another venue from where you met a woman, is one of the best ways to reduce future flaking. She is following you to another place, which more than makes up for any points you might lose for spending money on her.
Plus, feeding someone slowly is incredibly seductive regardless of whether the man or woman is doing the feeding.
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Southern Man is by nature a gentleman. Alas, this led to many, many years of betatude. Now recovering, he has found that chivalry (which comes naturally to him) + game (at which he is still a novice) forms a potent combination. However, the girls tend to associate chivalry with beta, so it is vital to detect and deflect early shit tests and never, ever, EVER fall back into the behaviour of a gentleman beta. To present oneself as a gentleman alpha is a worthy goal; it’s already paying off rather handsomely.
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@ chi-town–
On the money.
Although I wouldn’t necessarily say they lower his status if it’s high. What they do do is make her think the guy is less full of himself than she otherwise would – it’s a gesture of humbling himself. That has positive but also negative effects – depends on the girl and how attracted she already is. If she doesn’t think he either is or has any right to be full of himself, it’s counterproductive. It’s a form of comfort building. Comfort building is only good when there’s attraction to his alphaness already. This could be by reputation though, or her observing him w/other hot girls that night.
An example is if the girl is sure the guy is a player, and for her that’s a seriously bad thing. (Lots of girls parrot parents and girlfriends warning away from players, but really are big attracted. Particularly if they’re semi bad girls, or can be seduced into that readily enough.) So the right amount of comfort building/white knighting for her can work great then. The utility isn’t limited to situations where he’s a lot more attractive than she is. She can be beautiful in fact. They can include ones were she doesn’t consider herself a player the way that he is — relatively good girls in other words.
@vasafaxa
Yuup.
See above.
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on May 18, 2010 at 1:42 pm kheledale
“laughing at all these tools and supposed “women” who leave comments denigrating game and recommending men do a b or c instead. you have to wonder why they think there’s millions of game sites, books and seminars and why so many men would waste their time if it not only didn’t work, but ::wasn’t necessary::”
It doesn’t work. Being you is the only thing that works. Some dudes are tall, some dudes are aggressive, some dudes are witty, some dudes are talented, others are rich, and a few have it all. Guys who have any combination of these qualities have more than a few options when it comes to women and women understand this. They’re perceived as high value men because they are.
“Game” is trying to trick a woman into believing that you’re something you’re really not. If a girl wants a thug, there’s not too much you can do if you don’t fit her type. The same goes for girls who are chubby, too tall, too thin, have bad teeth, etc. Why should a hot girl give you a pass when you’re unwilling to give a fat girl a pass?
As far as the proliferation of PUA websites, I guess a lot of dudes were complete losers in high school and didn’t pick up basic social skills. It’s common knowledge among most 10th grade boys that telling a girl that she’s pretty all the time won’t make her like you. If you want chicks, just be a dude. Play sports, watch football, drink. There’s not much more to it. It’s not a science.
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In fact, don’t you think messages such as…
“Hey Roissy, I met this girl, and I acted so alpha…”
“I was in the bar and totally demonstrated my higher value.”
“I reframed, then hit her with a neg, then subsequently initiated kino, and then kept push/pulling her…”
sound kinda loserish? Isn’t that admitting that you’re not an “alpha?”
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@White Woman
Dalrock-yes I’ve been watching Missouri in particular. Great stuff.
Touché! I was being a smart ass, and had forgotten about Missouri.
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“If you want chicks, just be a dude. Play sports, watch football, drink. There’s not much more to it. It’s not a science.”
If you want to be a player, you need game.
Being a “dude” ain’t gonna cut it.
No way are you going to approach several pretty girls every time you go out without some kind of a system.
Now, unlike most here, I agree that looks, status, etc. matter.
Game isn’t a magic bullet, but it will open your options by giving you the tools to take advantage of your situation.
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“sound kinda loserish? Isn’t that admitting that you’re not an “alpha?””
Most guys aren’t alphas.
What do you propose they do?
Sit at home and jerk off?
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@phillyboy81
if your advice for struggling men is to “watch football and drink,” i’ll leave them to choose between game and your sterling course of wisdom. hell i won’t even say another word in its favor.
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– “It doesn’t work. Being you is the only thing that works.”
Not true. With an awful lot of people, being themselves is precisely the problem. And I have seen Game change peoples’ lives.
– “If you want chicks, just be a dude. Play sports, watch football, drink.”
Believe it or not, that’s what most Average, frustrated Chumps do. They’re not that dissimilar to their high-status brethren.
– “sound kinda loserish? Isn’t that admitting that you’re not an “alpha?””
Nothing wrong with looking for help, when you have a problem. Just like getting a lesson from a golf pro. That said, there is an insane proliferation of PUA-related material, and much of it is spurious, or brazenly profit- driven.
But one of the best things about this website is that Roissy not only doesn’t shill his products, but doesn’t even permit advertising. For all his Dark Lord ways, he gives a lot of folks a lot of free and valuable information.
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E – “Now, unlike most here, I agree that looks, status, etc. matter. ”
They certainly do – and it would be foolish to claim otherwise. And the truth is, to land the true 9s and 10s (rare as unicorns in this benighted West), you probably need a lot of status looks or wealth.
That said, game lifts us a few points up the ladder.
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Chivalry itself is not beta. Believing that chivalry will score a girl for you is very beta. An alpha male, (high status, confident, tall, good looking, good non-verbal) can increase his game by being confidently polite towards a girl. With an alpha, a girl is likely to take note of and remember a chivalrous act to brag to her girlfriends about.
A beta rushing to open a girl’s car door, or pull out her seat, who destroys his non-verbal dominance by getting out of rhythm and posture, and then who looks to the recipient of his kind act for some sort of acknowledgment of his chivalry, will not gain anything and will only solidify his status to her as a beta.
But the point is, chivalry isn’t the determining factor. Whether one projects alpha or beta is caused by factors in the male individual, (mostly his status and degree of confidence) not so much by outside influences. In fact, there very few things an alpha could do that would cause him to be viewed as a beta. The keys are the inner game.
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PhillyBoy81
” I guess a lot of dudes were complete losers in high school and didn’t pick up basic social skills.”
So what is your problem with people learning these skills? And Game (for all its trappings) is basically teaching a man these skills.
Would you rather that folks just vegetate and drink? Because if there’s one thing that everyone knows, constant boozing makes you successful, wealthy and charismatic.
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“The worst thing a man can do, when his status is essentially equal, is to humble himself to lower his status. So to make clear an act of romance is specifically the case of a man humbling himself. Isn’t dropping on one knee obvious?”
The Alpha male’s status is NOT equal – it is superior. If you are (or can convincingly feign) Alpha status, and work a bit of the chivalrous routine in, it can be golden. It is akin to the whole classic “cocky but funny” schtick.
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“What do you propose they do?
Sit at home and jerk off?”
No. Just date girls who may be less than 8s, 9s, and 10s.
I don’t get the sense that guys who post here are angry because they’re not getting laid. I do sense, however, that a lot of guys are mad because they can’t get an 8 or 9 with any consistency, whereas a woman can have the male equivalent of an 8 or 9 any day of the week.
Contrary to what many here might think, I don’t think it’s that great for women, even the attractive ones. True, women have easy access to sex, but if they indulge themselves just a bit too much they run the risk of completely destroying their chances of a long term commitment. As a man, I don’t have to worry about being “defilied,” soiled,” “falling from grace,” or whatever. And as a man, I rarely have to worry about being duped. I’d hate to break it to you fellas, but no woman out there is trying to trap you for your Honda Civic and a meal at Chipotle. 99.4% of the male population will never have to worry about golddiggers. However, nearly 99% of women (even the ugly ones) do have to worry about a guy feigning interest, hitting, and then dumping, all the while lowering her market value.
Plus, I don’t care how good-looking a girl is, she can get tossed to the side like a dish towel by ANY man. You don’t have to be a high status man to get tired of hitting a fine chick. So it’s also tough for cute girls because being cute is no guarantee of commitment. And at the end of the day, that’s what the majority of women are really in it for.
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@ Cap n’ Bob,
I agree with your assessment. Game can help, true confidence displaying an inner strength of character can really help, but it is true that there is a glass ceiling to all of that. There is a level of girl that has certain bright line requirements for status and looks that cannot be overcome otherwise. Maybe this is a beta surrender, but I don’t think i’d want to have to date that type of girl anyway.
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“Plus, I don’t care how good-looking a girl is, she can get tossed to the side like a dish towel by ANY man. You don’t have to be a high status man to get tired of hitting a fine chick. So it’s also tough for cute girls because being cute is no guarantee of commitment. And at the end of the day, that’s what the majority of women are really in it for.”
could you explain what any of this has to do with game? how many men coming to game do you think were “hitting […] fine chick[s]” in the first place? wasn’t that the entire point?
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Sidewinder
“Maybe this is a beta surrender, but I don’t think i’d want to have to date that type of girl anyway.”
Yep, they would bring more trouble than they’re worth.
Sdaedalus
-” This couldn’t be The Book We’ve All Been Waiting For…. or could it?”
I hope not. I always thought that Roissy’s work would be The Great Novel about Betahood – the dark tale of a beta-type all adrift in the world of PUA. GBFM would be his “conscience”.
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PhillyBoy81
“What do you propose they do?
Sit at home and jerk off?”
No. Just date girls who may be less than 8s, 9s, and 10s.
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Contrary to what many here might think, I don’t think it’s that great for women, even the attractive ones. True, women have easy access to sex, but if they indulge themselves just a bit too much they run the risk of completely destroying their chances of a long term commitment. As a man, I don’t have to worry about being “defilied,” soiled,” “falling from grace,” or whatever.
I think the female 9’s and 10’s (that rare bird) are still relatively ok.
It’s the female 7-8’s (Which is what lots of betas aspire to) who want to only have sex in a committed relationship that are really challenged these days.\
That’s because there are lots of 6-7s, and quite a few 8’s who are willing to slut it up for awhile these days. Making it much harder for the 7’s & 8’s to get alpha male commitment and sometimes even higher beta (male 7) commitment.
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“White Woman” can’t seem to understand that men don’t owe women anything.
If I take shortcuts to pussy, then that’s my right. I dont owe a woman a drink, dinner, or even my respect. Just open up your legs and STFU.
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@chi-town
That entire post was a great reframe of romantic gestures. I’ve never thought of it that way. Thanks.
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[99.4% of the male population will never have to worry about golddiggers.]
In the past this was true and it may still be true outside the feminist west, but the western Divorce Industry like the 4 main US companies that control the US Food Industry enslaves farmers, has learned how to harness and enslave regular males for maximum profit.
Even without tricking the average Joe into marriage, getting pregnant in many states now brings a paycheck of more than $1000 per month per child, eminently payable by even lower class males chained like slaves for the next 18 years to the system that both political parties support (logically, the US government would financially reward males for producing babies whose future productivity could help pay Social Security checks).
All you really need to show is that you would be a reliable slave.
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hey roissy man
whens your boook comin out?
i owuld buy copies and pass them out at clubs lzozlzlzllz
plus if you need an editor i would be happy to go through it and enhance your eloquence with some lozlzlzozlzz zozlzlzlozz zto drive home the point inthe same way when you’re bangin a chick sometimes you go lzozolzlz zoz zozlozlzlzlz to drive home the point zlozlzlz
jus let me know & i will drop everything and getting my editing glasses out and read through it all and then send it 2 charlotee allen to fi9nal chack the grammar to make it superb and u will get many book interviews and become a secltion of oprah’s book club i just know it as millions of ginas (and many anuses 2) tingle lingle lingle for dat roissy cock lzozlzl.
roxk on1!!
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@ANONYMOUS
“Also women are generally most impressed by a small class of accomplishment: namely the arts, sports, and occasionally politics. The first two of these things are nice to have but they are hardly the backbone of our society. Engineers, businessmen, and sometimes scientists tend to produce the innovations that drive the economy and civilization forward. Women’s attraction is not necessarily triggered by those things which are socially important (neither are guys’ for that matter). It simply gets triggered, these guys’ accomplishments are important but would mean that their chivalry would be interpreted as supplication.”
The key to being attractive in terms of your background
(as opposed to behavior on the spot) is FAME/STATUS.
The paleolitic female wants a guy who can command
resources from the tribe – more important than whether
he can bag a moose by himself.
The low level neural net is wired for FAME/STATUS, but
has no direct understanding of such modern things
as “wealth” – paleolitic man owned only a few things he
could carry. “Wealth” will work only as proxy for FAME/STATUS.
The “arts/sports/politics” above are men who are FAMOUS
(and therefore necessrily few – the number of people
who can be famous is limited by how many people the
average person can remember). Engineers and scientists
(I suspect many on this blog) are rarely famous, unless
you are Feynman or Bill Gates. Being unknown (in ANY
of the categories) buys you not very much. Only if you are
FAMOUS does it stir up the female juices.
Thor
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@chi-town
Chi, that’s a brilliant way of stating it.
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I just heard of the Miss USA 2010 scandal today. Apparently she had a past as an “exotic dancer”. She’s the hottie on the left:
http://img524.imageshack.us/i/93877702.jpg/
Extra kinky-points as it turns out she is from an arab/muslim family (from the Michigan Arab-American community).
Naughty girl! 😉
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Here is the latest on the Child Support Slavery System:
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=7400
Even allowing men to debate like this is a major breakthrough.
The one thing this pro-male organization does not say would be the most effective: Why should men marry and have kids at all under such a system?
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I thought all chilvary was was opening doors for girls…. in that case I’ve always done it. Don’t really it as a problem with my game at all either…
Buying girls drinks though? Fuck that! Never that..
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Paul-I know. That’s one reason I come around here…also, I just like men, even when I disagree with them.
The Specimen-as far as buying her a drink… it’s just one of those social conventions. It’s optional…if a guy doesn’t do it, it makes them look a little cheap but whatever.
[editor: it makes women look cheap when they don’t buy me drinks.
isn’t reframing fun?]
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Vasafraxa: You got it right.
All the other rationalizers: WTF? I mean, seriously? Are we members of the same species of animal or what? Do we socialize together? Do you socialize with actual males (or females)?
Solemn intonations about game being for loser betas and guys who aren’t real alpha is completely irrelevant. Ideal worlds, whatever. Your opinions are irrelevant.
Alphas get the poon.
We want poon.
For the purposes of banging hot chicks, we become alpha.
You go and be all morally superior. I’ll bang the hot chicks.
And the women? Please, don’t give me any lip about moral superiority. That’s total crap. I have active evidence that women are status/dick/alpha whores. I haven’t met any who weren’t outside of ultra-religious small towns.
Pontificate all you want about real alpha and true chilvalry.
I spent 15 years chasing women, enduring shit tests and fickle womens’ meretricious attentions.
All women are the same: They detest betas and nice guys. They love dicks and alphas. Want them to sleep with you? What works better?
In 6 months I’ve slept with – and kept – hotter, younger and more interesting women than I ever thought possible. Consistently. Repeatedly.
So whine away. I’ll take having sex with attractive women.*
*I said nothing about LTRs. I’ll take a hot chick home. Didn’t say I’d marry her. They seem to think this is fine and doodly. Maybe not when they’re 35 or 40, but, well, who cares what they think then? They’ve gone past the Best Before date.
The smart ones don’t fuck around. For the ones that do, oh well. You don’t realize that you’re screwing yourself. Bitter about it? Why should we care?
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This is BOTM #2′s LinkedIn profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidtehan
Not as much a redneck as his earlier photo shows. He is a young kid working a bank-security job during the day and studying part-time to get a Bachelors degree in Computer Science in the evenings.
He looks like a nice upstanding young man in the LinkedIn profile photo. Full of life … probably the photo was taken before he married & conceived with the whore-wife.
He could have been one of us… Jesus!
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.. his Bachelors of Computer Science expected graduation date is 2011.
It’s gonna come in handy for child-support and alimony for the runaway wife!
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re: Cap ‘n Bob.
The thing that surprised me about Sinatra has just how chivalrous he was. There’s a book of the collected wisdom of Ol’ Blue Eyes and there’s a chapter about women. Basically, he had this way of looking at women that made them hot and bothered, was chivalrous, and had status. He also bought girls highly expensive items. That’s Sinatra game.
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… even though she left the baby-girl with him back in Ohio when she ran away with her lover to Miami Beach … I bet she gets full-custody in the upcoming divorce. I guarantee it.
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The book is called “The Way You Wear Your Hat,” which is based on lyrics from a Gershwin tune.
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I think its hilarious to let a door close on a girl. I’m not getting laid like carpet, but my laugh life has gotten much better. I’m all for equality!
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Puma, ur God damn right she will, unless she doesn’t want it, then shell adopt it out.
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Maybe this whole chivalry stuff dates from a time where men had the upper hand through society. Every man had higher value, for the most part. Men had to demonstrate that they wouldn’t be a complete asshole during the relationship because, for the girl, a lifetime locked in with an ass would be intolerable.
Maybe, who knows what really went on once people walked down the aisle back then.
But now, it seems that it’s all about DHV and not demonstrating non-assholery.
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A divorce lawyer would tear this guy apart the same way a pitbull would thrash a kitten. I hope he has a chapter on pre-nups.
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Well I think there’s an alpha way for chivalry.
When you pull a chair you’re telling (ordering) her where to seat, when you open the car door, you’re setting the time she enter/leaves the car. Also paying the bills make she look like a kid or person who can’t afford her expenses. It’s just a matter of the way you do it.
Ofcourse sluts excluded.
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Puma…I’m still going to challenge you on the BOTM #2. He started college in 1997 and still hasnt finished. He has been working as a bank teller for nearly 8 years.
I. don’t. have. anything. in. common.
And either does the average DC yuppie…beta or alpha.
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@Meg00K
Tongue-in-cheek? Or tongue-in-some-other-dude’s-cheek?
Tongue in my own sweet cheek, I’m afraid.
Can’t speak for Mr Henry of course. I suspect his tongue may be more *ahem* widely travelled.
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Madras –
Heck it’s the Midwest, and you will notice both his community college and current university aren’t exactly 1st-tier. Many folks live life in the slow lane, especially in towns like Dayton, OH.
… and once you knock up your girlfriend … might as well forget about studying full-time. Just like Tom Leykis said!
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@Cap’n Bob
“The Great Novel about Betahood – the dark tale of a beta-type all adrift in the world of PUA. GBFM would be his “conscience”.
Sounds a bit like a Herman Melville novel to me.
I thought it would be more of a lament from the Olympian heights about a PUA artist who has mastered to the top of his game and has nowhere left to climb; the apparent moral being: be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Wicked twist: said PUA artist is accidentally turned into a beta for a day, hates it, and realises he’s happier on Everest after all. Theme: self-love will never disappoint. Decor: More floor length mirrors, tassels etc. than Versailles itself.
Alternatively a touching saga about a young PUA apprentice and his older guru Yoda type master along the lines of Kung Fu Panda, LR as Bad Tiger, guru expires gracefully at the end. Too lazy to think of theme, plot twist or decor, or indeed the real name of Bad Tiger in Kung Fu Panda (sorry!) someone else will have to take this up or (more likely) think of something better.
As far as I can see, the real money’s in romantic fiction. A smart PUA artist wanting to make enough money to retire to St Tropez with a bevy of younglings would use all the techniques employed on women to write a really tingle-enhancing romantic novel (Twilight with knobs on?), retain anonymity, pocket the cash & disappear (possible discreet return to assist in selecting female actresses for the movie adaptation)
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… and it looks like his 1997 college stint resulted in no degree. He worked a bunch of retail/menial jobs until the mid-2000’s.
This is his second take on life:
Wright State University
Bachelor of Science , Computer Science , 2008 — 2010
Clark State Community College
Associate of Science , Computer Science , 2005 — 2008
Looks like getting married and becoming a Dad put some new wind in his sails. That is until his whore-wife put him in the national news and made him the Cuckold of the Year.
Man, life is a bitch.
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Gotzen, let a door close on a pretty chick, its hard to do at first, and u can feel their disgust and its exciting.Its easier to just succumb to the PC nature of it all, but just do it, the heavier the door the better the result.
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“What do you propose they do? Sit at home and jerk off?”
“No. Just date girls who may be less than 8s, 9s, and 10s. ”
Would you say the same thing to poor people who are trying to better their economic situation buy going to school and working hard? Game is education/hard work for pussy, not money. And Americans are supposed to believe in the pull yourself up by your bootstraps work ethic.
Game helps with average girls as well, not just 8s, 9s and 10s.
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The big fallacy (or phallacy) about chivalry is that chivalry is OK when it is done from a position of strength. Knights, professional contract killers with access to the Church and the royalty court, were pretty badass. Codes of chivalry may have come about in an attempt to rein in a bunch of alpha males who, with weapons and horses, could pretty much do what they wanted. Chivalry was a powerful guy who was putting his power on hold for a bit so he could be part of polite society. Best of both worlds for a hypergamous woman seeking power and provider.
But it’s total crap for anyone to pine for the days of chivalry unless they are ready to re-empower maleness the way it used to be. Any white-knight guy who takes this bait is being played for a chump!
Like the girl who cries to her betadump, “why can’t my boyfriend do all this sweet stuff?” girls who cry that there’s no chivalry don’t really want chivalry per se – they want their bad boys to act polite every now and then (or maybe that means they DO want chivalry as it really was).
In today’s America, men have been emasculated from manhood. So attempts to cop a chivalry game look like a put-on, a cheap acting job. Which it is. And the women respond accordingly.
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BF: He’s either deluded or a “natural” who thinks ya either got it or you don’t. Fair enough.
Basic social skills my ass. If it were simply a question of having basic social skills, the PUA community wouldn’t exist.
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Badger Nation nails it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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“In today’s America, men have been emasculated from manhood. So attempts to cop a chivalry game look like a put-on, a cheap acting job. Which it is. And the women respond accordingly.”
Hey Badger BNation FUCKTARD twatass.
it ain’t men’s fault for bein nice you little sniveling fucktwat single mommas boy
it’s ben bernanke’s fault for training women to financially rape nice men lzozlzlzl
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Carlton Grey,
You’re right about Sinatra – he was often a pretty class act with his ladies.
Whatever he did, it served him pretty well.
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I would agree that strategy depends on the objective. But chivalry is manly and girls do notice and respond to it. For me it is actually a relief to see a guy act this way. The pressure is off and I don’t have to act tough. It makes me want to embrace my femininity. As for the last paragraph, I think we are almost there.
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WhiteWoman confirms what I already knew: Chivalrous behavior is not perceived as such when the man in question is not Alpha.
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“Puma
Badger Nation nails it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
1000 to 1 odds that puma is a chick with a sore anus lzozlzllz
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“a lot of guys are mad because they can’t get an 8 or 9 with any consistency”
I’m just mad because I can’t get Cigstache. O Cigstache, why dost thou not love me? Thy sweetly bulbous cheeks, thy shadowed lip, thy volcanic breath; thus I pass my days and nights with sighs. But — hark yon, a lithe form in the doorway? It struggles, it cannot pass; ah, now it moveth to the double door; is joy at last to be mine?
[editor: lol. i hope this starts an ‘O Cigstache’ meme.
o cigstache
by thine whiskery countenance
thou dost enrapture me
and thine sweaty profusion
deluge my soul with ardor
but O by the gods!
how thy dangling paper phallus
inscrutably emerging from thy lips
like a chrysalis of fire
bestokes the flame of my consuming passion
cigstache
be forevermore
my bowling ball of love.
fin]
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The Dear Marquis still published in the 19th century, so we can at least hope that book has a surprise last chapter.
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Well, chi-town basically nailed it. Great comment.
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Glengarry,
That’s genius, and may you win your muse.
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Bad news for cougardom, but good for those with age-inappropriate girlfriends: http://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/press/1813.htm
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margaret wrote:
It is ironic that after writing this, you write this:
Which is just further proof (not that any additional proof is necessary) that women only see/remember alphas (in whatever form they take, including assholes).
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GBFM – Dude, you are out of medication again! What happened to the poetic genius from yesterday?
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@GBFM: “it’s Ben Bernanke’s fault for training women to financially rape nice men”
No. Women are instinctually wired to try their hardest to
transfer money from men to themselves and their
offspring – if any. No “training” necessary.
It is, however, true that the current legiferation has
made this task sooooo much easier, with welfare,
alimony, child support, childcare paid by others, etc etc.
Thor
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@Glengarry
“Bad news for cougardom, but good for those with age-inappropriate girlfriends: http://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/press/1813.htm”
There are many possible explanations. Maybe younger
men who marry older women deliberatly (consciously or
not) pick ones that are in ill health, in the expectation
of e.g. inherting her property, or being able to be
financially secure and still play the field while wifey
is home sick.
Thor
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Another form of game is what I call “Chivalry Surprise”.
Act like you are about to do something chivalrous then turn it around.
For instance pull out a chair for her, then say the legs are wobbly and you don’t want anything bad to happen (implication being she could lose a few lbs)
Buy her a gift then tell her a week later you got it at the dollar store. (need a good eye for products to pull this off)
Buy two drinks at the bar while talking to a target (don’t ask her, just order) then go back to your group of friends and give one to your buddy, then go back to your spot at the bar and keep talking to her.
I’m sure the readership can think of other good examples.
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margaret
I would agree that strategy depends on the objective. But chivalry is manly and girls do notice and respond to it. For me it is actually a relief to see a guy act this way. The pressure is off and I don’t have to act tough. It makes me want to embrace my femininity. As for the last paragraph, I think we are almost there.
margaret,
You are absolutely dead wrong about women generally. You’re almost surely wrong about yourself.
If an obviously powerful, attractive man condescends to be chivalrous to you, fine, it makes it look like he’s a powerful guy (jerk), but a sensitive jerk to you. So you like it.
But for the 99.5% of the rest of us, if we water the wine, we lose the poon. I currently like it much, thanks.
Men take chivalry for what it’s worth: Unless you’re Mel Gibson, it’s worth crap all. This sounds suspiciously like the kind of advice Nice Guys get.
I’m waaay past taking advice like this. I spent my 20’s in betaville listening to the feminizing garbage spewed by women who were fucking assholes three nights a week.
Truly, no one self-deludes or lies like a woman.
Five years, ago, I couldn’t imagine having 2-3 women, all very attractive (7+), available for my very own personal companionship. Say what you want: Results count. Chivalry gets nothing in the end unless you’re already on top. I’m not going to be Mel, same with most guys.
Absolutely everything women say about chivalry is BS. Not one word – not one word – is worth the syllables uttered to say it.
Ok, so Boo hoo: You’re not happy, you lose the potential for a LTR or happy marriage or (insert random BS here), you don’t know how to be a Real Man.
Boo Hoo. Spending night with new 7.5 hot chick. Later this week, same, different woman.
No chivalry attempted, none required.
Stop deluding yourself.
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Yes Margaret “…girls do notice and respond to it.” they respond to it by screwing the bad boys and crying on the chivalrous guys shoulder. This is FACT and it is why this site exists. Regardless of what you want to believe about yourself and other women the simple REALITY is different than what you are stating. You have no more control of the feelings generated in the presence of a guy running game than a computer has control of its output running a program. For a man, the chivalry program means “You screw the biker while I paint your house”. It is absolutely hilarious that even on this site, where men have finally thrown up their hands and said “okay uh-um… “ladies” since you do not respond with affection when we are nice we’ll treat you like garbage” yes even on this site with men having REPRODUCIBLE success that you would try to convince the men they should junk all that and listen to what you say. Right. Men should take your message about as seriously as they would a guy claiming he hates liquor but who is in the bar getting drunk night after night. I fully believe you want to think women are not wired they way they are, and back in the glory days when womens actions were actually controlled by that dreaded patriarchy their self destructive impulses were held in check. This is not so today and female sexuality (which is just or even more dangerous as a young mans propensity for violence) is now seen as a not a problem to be curbed but a right to be celebrated (i.e. slut it up YOU GO GIRL!).
You have no control over your baser impulses anymore than a man does – a chivalrous act won’t trigger your tingles but a man acting like a jerk will. You will not convince anyone here otherwise, we’ve seen the reality too many times and NO you are not “different”.
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Chainring,
I realize I am probably not making much sense but here is my point: With chivalry being at its lowest level this might be the time to give it a try. It is about being generous, protective and considerate toward a girl without any agenda. Men are wired this way. Who cares about a free drink? Besides, it’s spring, flowers exploding, you may just meet someone amazing.
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Ahem. Moderation hurts.
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-Gorbachev
“I spent my 20′s in betaville listening to the feminizing garbage spewed”
I think we’ve all been there. I used to get advice, about as reliable as North Korean school textbooks, from a variety of well meaning friends and acquaintances. Sad thing was, they meant well.
Worst advice : “Just be yourself”.
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Women love it when you treat them with chivalry and respect. They’ll laugh at your jokes and call you on the phone for long conversations. They’ll go to dinner with you and have deep discussions about important things. They’ll spend hours discussing with you what’s wrong in their relationship with their boyfriend. They’ll complain about every detail of what he does that they don’t like. They’ll sound like they are very dissatisfied with him, ready for a change. They’ll let you know how much they value your friendship. They’ll tell you they know that someday you’ll find someone who appreciates you for who you are. They’ll be very sorry that it isn’t them. They’re good girls who love their boyfriend and must run along home to him now because he might not like it if he realized where they were.
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Margaret – chivalry is at its lowest level because it doesn’t work in an environment wherein there are *no* constraints on female sexuality. Chivalry impresses the father of the bridge and shows the community you are a person of good character. This is useful for getting married in a society with tight rules of expected behavior. With marriage being a prerequisite for sex in such a society all is well. Exactly NONE of the following situations exist today. Women fully choose their bed mates (or car mates, bathroom stall mates, etc.) and being chivalrous makes sure you are snubbed. That is the REALITY (there is that word again) and is demonstrable and repeatable in the outside world.
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Patr333x What did I say that “confirmed” that? I like nice people. Period. My former boyfriend insisted on paying for everything but when he lost his job, I paid for some things and we stopped doing a lot of things because he didn’t like me paying. That’s how it works when when people care about each other.
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I still retain that high status will trounce any beta behaviors that you may have, in a girl’s mind, but that’s just me.
The most beta book ever written by a man is; anything written by Nicholas Sparks.
On the beta topic; who writes the most beta songs? Rivers Cuomo or whoever you can think of?
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Patr333x – some Betas actually ruin their chances by pretending to be Alphas…it doesn’t come across as sincere and it ruins whatever chance you may have had.
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– Black Rebel
Most beta song of all time – probably “I’ll Be Around”.
Frank Sinatra had the most famous version, which is kind of funny given Ol’ Blue Eyes super-alpha status. The album was (the wonderful) “In the Wee Small Hours”, and the song was written by Alec Wilder (ironically a brilliant and successful composer).
Maybe it was just two Alphas mocking the beta mentality.:
“I’ll be around,
No matter how
You treat me now
I’ll be around from now on.
Your latest love
Can never last,
And when its past,
I’ll be around when he’s gone
Good-bye again,
And if you find a love like mine
Just now and then,
Oh drop a line to say you `re feeling fine
And when things go wrong
Perhaps you’ll see
You’re meant for me
So I’ll be around when he’s gone.”
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thor wrote: “@GBFM: “it’s Ben Bernanke’s fault for training women to financially rape nice men”
No. Women are instinctually wired to try their hardest to
transfer money from men to themselves and their
offspring – if any. No “training” necessary.
It is, however, true that the current legiferation has
made this task sooooo much easier, with welfare,
alimony, child support, childcare paid by others, etc etc.
Thor”
hey fucktard
you just disagreed with me and then agreed with me you stupid fuck
all fucking women’s studies courses train women to transfer welath and assetts from men lzozlzlzl
it’s beta fucktards like you who want to play patty cake games and split airs while paris burns that all hope is gone lozllzlzlz
as you touch your balls and get online and spout stupid assed beta shit lzozlzlz
fucktard–women aren’t natrually wired to divorce men and take their money you dumb fuckity fuck
this is the first time in all human history that we have classes and magazines which train them to break up families and abort their children you fucktard fucksnit fucksnark fuck all fuckidiot
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“Puma
GBFM – Dude, you are out of medication again! What happened to the poetic genius from yesterday?”
lozlzlzl today i’m outta my meds outta luck
and puma stil a fuckity dumb fuck.
poetry lzo
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greatbooks for men is emophile or gunnslinger.
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lozlzlzl
i am an emohilegunnslinger
les put it this ways i don’t do drugs but i’ve done chix hot chicks on every combo fo drugs u can think off i don’t need drugs because i am naturally lzozlzl lzozllzoz lzozlzl lzlozllzllzlzlzllz
lzozllz
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@ Doug1
Great explanation of alimony last week.
You recently wrote about feminists creating their version of “equality” by emasculating men at school, work & home.
My company has a no evidence based policy. We frequently have complaints from female employees about to be fired.
How can men protect themselves against false harassment claims? What rights do men have?
Any books, web sites, blogs, etc?
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It always stuns me.
I don’t know why some women just refuse to absorb the patently obviously, clearly obvious obviousness of their own natures. You can whine about the air or the wind, but the fact is:
TO GET HOT WOMEN TO FUCK YOU
DO NOT BE A CHODE
And men want to fuck you (you=hot women).
THE NICE GUY
You like the nice guy as a person. Fine. He’s a great human being. A great companion when things go wrong, a friend and ally. Someone to call at night, to hang out with.
But: You fuck the bad boy every time. Or you’ll want to. Half-hearted pity fucks for the good guy BF or husband don’t count.
The best sex I’ve had has been with women I’ve gamed. They’re so horny for bad boys, I had no idea. They love it. They ask for it. They call back. The nice guys (oh, so many wasted years) hover around trying to beckon them over. I’ll hold the car door for you. I’ll buy you a drunk. A ring. A dress.
It’s sad and unfortunate for women. Sad for you. But am I supposed to complain about rain? I want to have sex with (hot) women, not LJBF, thanks kindly.
White Woman
Patr333x – some Betas actually ruin their chances by pretending to be Alphas…it doesn’t come across as sincere and it ruins whatever chance you may have had.
Fine, this is true. The first few times you blow it, you learn to tone it down and balance it out. Raise and lower the temperature. Maintain frame, don’t boil it over. If she’s hot and seems decent and fucks well, bring it to semi-relationship zone. And then keep it nicely hovered over that sweet spot for as long as possible.
We ruin it? Oh, the woman leaves. By that time, advice: be smart and have another one waiting to hover over the sweet spot.
You expect us to relate to you genuinely when you’re so capricious, egotistical and self-centred? Oh please.
Truly. I’ve been married. I’ve dated. I’ve had lots of GFs. I’ve been Betaman. All women are exactly the same unless they’re asexual or have abnormally low sex drives.
You are perverse beings, you can’t do any self-analysis without self-deception, and you think you’re prizes. Most of you are just deceptive tools. Wonderful, magnificent, and engaging, but frankly deceptive and delusional. You have no idea what you want,
margaret
Chainring,
I realize I am probably not making much sense but here is my point: With chivalry being at its lowest level this might be the time to give it a try. It is about being generous, protective and considerate toward a girl without any agenda. Men are wired this way. Who cares about a free drink? Besides, it’s spring, flowers exploding, you may just meet someone amazing.
Oh yeah. It was BS 20 years ago, it’s more BS now.
This is exactly the worst possible advice for me. Or any man. You must be kidding. Didn’t we establish that this is absolutely counter to basic female sexual attraction?
Please. Wrong forum. Go curse your younger brother with this awful advice.
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
Sprinkle some chivalry into the standard game strategy. Give it some edge. I.E., not real chivalry: Use it to heighten standard game. Could be a useful tool.
Might try it occasionally.
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Women love it when you treat them with chivalry and respect. They’ll laugh at your jokes and call you on the phone for long conversations. They’ll go to dinner with you and have deep discussions about important things. They’ll spend hours discussing with you what’s wrong in their relationship with their boyfriend. They’ll complain about every detail of what he does that they don’t like. They’ll sound like they are very dissatisfied with him, ready for a change. They’ll let you know how much they value your friendship. They’ll tell you they know that someday you’ll find someone who appreciates you for who you are. They’ll be very sorry that it isn’t them. They’re good girls who love their boyfriend and must run along home to him now because he might not like it if he realized where they were.
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“hey babe, I bought you this drink, it somehow reminded of you”, …….
–ah…ha,ha, ha!!! I’m crying. that would make me laugh even harder if it happened in real life. It’s right up there with “your eyes are dancing”…..
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for what it’s worth, i’m completely on greatbooksformen’s side. i agree with him on everything.
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I lived in the south (US) for some time and I must agree, the southern boys have this…..’something’ about them that is quite intriguing.
[editor: drunkenness?]
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ya thanks kheledale
i’ve gots tons of fans who see taht secreti9ve tapers of neocon butthexers and neocon taoers of secretive butthex have taken over teh world and enslave good men to debt and debauchery lzozllzozlz
they kill honor lover family goodness truth and beauty at every turn and crush the world with abortion death butthex encrusted butthex loslssllslslsl and transfer money into their neocons pockets while ramming the entire world in teh anus with a giant cock of debt lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzlz
my fanz thye leave me nice messages as my blog lzzolzlzl
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Guys, this is an obvious hoax.
Some guy with a shitload of game obviously just decided to fuck with AFCs and give us all less competition.
It’s a bit underhanded, really. How are we meant to practice AMOG skills, when the “competition” are going around pulling out chairs and stupid shit like that?
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“Although SDaedalus is perfectly happy to carry her own bags & opening her own doors, she does appreciate those men who occasionally offer to help her out in this regard.”
No one’s disputing that you do SD; unfortunately – for men trying to get laid – appreciation isn’t attraction.
@Chi-town
Brilliant comment above. I wade through mountains of shit in these comments for gems like that.
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Cap’n Bob:
Weezer songs that unquestionably qualify as Beta:
Beverley Hills
Butterfly
Devotion
Don’t Let Go
El Scorcho
Falling for You
Getchoo
If You’re Wondering if I Want You to
In the Garage
Jaime
Keep Fishin’
Oh Girl
Pink Triangle
Slave
The World has Turned and Left me Here
Waiting on You
Why Bother
You Gave your Love to me Softly
The most beta of these songs is either Across the Sea, El Scorcho, or Slave.
Of course each coin has two sides. Weezer songs that are Alpha:
American Gigolo
Hash Pipe
Photograph
Pork N’ Beans
Surf Wax America
Take Control
Tired of Sex
Take Control is hands down their most Alpha song (and a good tune too).
Everything else, like most men, is a mishmash of Beta, Alpha and even some Omega qualities.
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Thor–
You’re right. But you’re describing the pinnacle. You’re describing a super alpha.
(Bill Gates isn’t at the pinnacle really because for one thing during most of his career his fame to wider circles outside the business community was more like infamy, and he appears to have very little charisma. Certainly that’s his image.)
One doesn’t need to be famous to be alpha, and most alphas aren’t. Though they are leaders of one sort or another, and not just leaders of geeks.
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Women confuse manners and repsonsibility in men with being a punk bitch nowadays– this’ll really say “nancyboy” to ’em.
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“Anonymous
Women confuse manners and repsonsibility in men with being a punk bitch nowadays– this’ll really say “nancyboy” to ‘em.”
Check this out for weird.
I spent a lot of time in Korea. In Korea, the biggest trend: seriously gay-looking pretty boys who act like 12 year-old girls. Dolled up more than the women. Some women are going for it. You see it everywhere. Seriously, these Korean guys look flamingly gay. Makeup. You wonder if they cry when they break a nail.
Seems to work against Real Man game theory, eh?
BUT
Update to that
Revisited recently. Stayed a while.
It’s like a pussy festival for guys who dress and walk and fuck like men. I have never had women so desperate for a man to tell them what they want, men who don’t wear makeup.
Ever. Anywhere. And I lived there half a decade ago.
You think men here are emasculated. I just have no explanation for this. Korean pussy is just starving.
What the hell happened in Korea? Did the whole country just turn gay?
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@margaret
You completely missed my point, so I’ll try again.
Chivalry is alive and well amongst the betas. As a resident of Betaville during my teens, 20s and early 30s, I should know. The very fact that you think that chivalry is totally dead proves that you only notice/remember alphas (including assholes).
As GBFM might say, why should I be ‘generous, protective and considerate’ toward, and pay for, a woman who gave it away for free when she was younger/hotter/tighter?
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hey margaret you write, “margaret
Chainring,
I realize I am probably not making much sense but here is my point: With chivalry being at its lowest level this might be the time to give it a try. It is about being generous, protective and considerate toward a girl without any agenda. Men are wired this way. Who cares about a free drink? Besides, it’s spring, flowers exploding, you may just meet someone amazing.”
you’re a dumb cunt lzozlzl even dumber than lots of teh betas here which is fucking stooooooopid!!!
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/%E2%80%9Cto-propose-to-a-owman-is-to-give-someone-a-diamond-who-so-many-others-had-when-she-was-younger-hotter-tighter-tighter-hotter-younger-for-free%E2%80%9D-lzozlz/
i can’t believe that you lzoozozlzlzoeersss still have women living in your homes or that you ever spend a moment counting their menstaral cycle dayss.s.s.. lzozlzllzlllz!!
have you heard about the fmeinist movement?
like now women have a right to their own bodies and they get their own fiat cash from ben bernanke so let them get their own apratments! lolzlzlzlz!!
and there ar elike dna tests now….
1) do not get married
2) do not date
3) pump n dump lzozllz
asking a women on a date is a sign of betaness. asking a women to get married is a sign of gammaness, unless she is a loyal virgn.
think about it lzolzlzlzllers!!
to propose to a owman is to give someone a diamond who so many others had when she was younger hotter tighter tighter hotter younger FOR FREE!!!!
you are about to pay $10,000 and risk millions more for something I had for free when it was in far better condition lzozlzl
the best cure of ed is yp.
the best cure for erectile dysfunction is young pussy lozzllzlzlzl!!!
why are all u guys worried about women?
to spend a second worrying about how many cocks are in her vagina when you’re not there is kinda silly and you can be thrown in prison for worrying about this under the fed’s and neocon’s laws. lozlzlz! then you’ll have to worry about coks in your own anus as opposed to cocks in her pussususysysysys lolazz
the federal resevre’s takeover of women as intruments of welath transfer has ruined them for men. the soulless beasts are of no use to us naymor lzolzlz!!
i mean i feel bad for all the 30 year olds with sore anuses who wasteed their best years with roissy’s cock in their poop chute instead of building a family story via fiath and loyalty to a man lzozlz. but hey–that’s what women choose, as they have no foresight nor moral imagination lzozlozlzlz
haven’t you guys figured it out yet?
women were transformed from the goddess archetype into the temptress archetype to serve ben bernanke & teh federal reserve.
fifty short years a go a woman would have had one partner–you.
now you are expected to shell out $$$$$$ after she has taken numerous massive cocks in all her orfices lzozlzlzllzl
some of us were yet raised in families wherein two parents got along and dad laid down the law like a man. today he (the real alpha) would be thrown in prison as ben bernanke (the beta males) and his feminist police state are backing women.
a fiat currency inverts debt and welath, as well as alphaness and betaness.
alpha manhood comes from character, honor, and integrity.
beta manhood, which charlotte allen tries to pass off as alpha manhood in the weekly standard, is more akin to tucker max who performs secretive tapings of anal sex with girls without the girl’s consent, and thus is held up by neocon charlotte allen as the paragon of alphahood lzolzlz
all you guys thinking you’re betas you’re not. you’re real men.
all teh alphas like mystery are frauds in tehir furry hats and makeup and eye liner lzozlzllzl! wake up and smell teh coffeee!!!!
the federal reserve wants access to your home and bank acocunt, and feminist studies teach women how to transfer your wealth to the fed lzozlz. and then tehy end up single and alone, as the fed pumps and dumps them.
sweety i am sorry ben bernake and the banking cartel pumped and dumped you and programmed you to act on your baser butthex instincts as opposed to your exalted soul lozlzlzl maybe ben benranke can wire you some fiat dollars to feed your cats lzoz
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thanks for the headsup, I AM GOING TO THIS BOOKSIGNING…
Just so I can swoop these guys wives and gfs right in front of them..
Who’s with me? (bonus points for coitus on the premises)
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just read the
O cigstache meme
ROFLMAO, cant we get a lozzlzl bomb or two about that?
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Cigstache, a haiku:
—————————————
The cigarrette scream
—
thy phlegmy stache calls my name
—
kneel, omega mine
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Philosopher–
What sexual harassment law in the US does is to create a civil remedy (money damages for the most part) for women who are sexually harassed. It’s written in very broad language. When women who get lawyered up sue they principally go after the employer, and usually only the employer (as the much richer and also easier / more likely to fold target).
What corps have done in response is establish internal policies together with enforcement mechanisms designed to show that whatever the particular male employee allegedly did, it wasn’t their fault, they’ve leaned over backwards to have internal policies (principal sanction: getting fired, or flagged as possible trouble come promotion time) and vigilant enforcement that did all they reasonably could to prevent sexual harassment by an individual employee. Hence if he does it, go after him, not the corp. (Sexual harassment lawyers always go after the corp too, but the hope is that the policy will block them, or since it’s almost always settled, get them off with a light or very light payout.)
You can see the dynamics at play here I think.
Basically the best thing to do is to be lightly sexy popular with the girls at work with most of them wanting to stand up to you. Roissy would call this being alpha. (Aside from the obvious of not actually pressing unwanted advances of course.) As well if you’re in a supervisory capacity, extensively document employee performance reviews etc. so you have substantive reasons for terminating a female employee.
In theory most American private sector employment not subject to contract — union or management hiring contract – is “at will”, meaning the employer can fire for any reason whatsoever, from his impression of poor performance, to just needing to lay people off, and so on. No proof or preponderance of the evidence needed. Not so with women and blacks and documented Hispanics in America today, in effect. There’s no law that exactly says that, but that’s the effect of lots of feminist/affirmative action type laws.
Who does that leave out? White and Asian men. (Asians aren’t yet bitter in large vocal numbers importantly because most of them just got here, relatively speaking, and feel quite fortunate for that. White male opposition has been actively shamed and ridiculed by the liberal/left main stream media, and given very little fair hearing, since the 80s, and even 70s, when it started to arise.
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It might be of interest if we could induce some males to tell us how their beta behavior actually produced the desired result: sex and fidelity with a very desirable female.
Call Now! The lines are open!
Just putting the question points up the absurdity of such an approach. It is laughable. Every man posting on this blog knows, from personal and frequently painful experience, the futility of such an approach.
It’s like the old lawyer’s joke: How do you tell if a woman is lying to you? Watch her lips. If they move, she’s lying.
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i have a copy of this book and its not bad.
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ahappinessexperiment
What is the hind-and-seek all about your blog?
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Future alpha of the month? The young ladies behind him are forming a collective puddle.
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^^^
loloolzz where’s jon belushi to smash the piano ???
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“What the hell happened in Korea?”
Korea has video games a professional sport. Starcraft is popular. I kid you not.
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This is off-topic relative to this post, but too good to keep from you guys.
A woman in Toronto is suing Rogers (a Canadian telecommunications giant) because her husband noticed suspiciously long phone calls on their phone bill, found out about an affair, and left her.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/810236–toronto-woman-sues-rogers-after-her-affair-is-exposed?bn=1
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chic,
Good theory, GBFM appeared about the time gunslinger vanished (I abused him severely the last day he posted, maybe he was traumatized); but there is absolutely no way GBFM could be someone’s sock puppet, he is way way way too original for that, as well as being 100 times as quick on the uptake as ggggi.
Paul,
Chivalry Surprise is good stuff. Roissy often recommends this kind of false-beta fakeout.
Badger,
Yes, chivalry presumes a social structure that no longer exists even in part. The White Knight was potentially the most attractive of all men back when he was also a powerful alpha who could kick anybody’s butt, but now that the state has a monopoly on legitimate force there’s no social niche for that type of personality, because the PERSONAL protection one man can offer a woman no longer amounts to much in the larger scheme of things.
Gorby,
I agree with you compeltely, but you’re talking to a brick wall.
Wolly,
I have been LJBF’d exactly like that, your description rings tragically true; however, that situation is not hopeless if you handle it right. Assuming you can go from B to A, then the girls who BF’d you will be as susceptible to your new alphaness as the rest of them, though you have to make a break in order to enable the transition. In fact, you can be even more alpha more boldly with a girl who had already qualified you as a friend because you’ve already got the comfort factor, as long as you stopped being the sob shoulder and dated other girls in between, and your game is especially vigilant with her.
Grampa,
I managed to snag a great wife with hardly any discernible alpha qualities at the time, but she was rather unusually determined to avoid jerks. The main alpha quality I had was emotional stability — who I was and what I did did not depend on anyone else.
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“Worst advice : “Just be yourself”.”
“Just be yourself” is the shittiest, most two-faced advice anyone can give you in any context – whether it’s for job interviews, getting laid, meeting people, etc.
Any time I hear it I just assume that it’s a smoke screen intended to dissuade me from figuring out the actual strategy necessary to succeed in the given situation.
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the kid playing the piano is more elton john than amadeaus. more ladyman than ladies man.
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but im sure he wil get plenty of great butthex.
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@gbfm:
”
“all fucking women’s studies courses train women to transfer welath and assetts from men”
OK. Let me clarigy. Women don’t need to be
trained in the concept of transferring wealth
from men. They know that instinctively.
But, yes, there are wymynz studies and the like
that teaches specific techniques to do that,
up to and shamlessly including perjury.
Nils
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“polymath
chic,
Good theory, GBFM appeared about the time gunslinger vanished (I abused him severely the last day he posted, maybe he was traumatized); but there is absolutely no way GBFM could be someone’s sock puppet, he is way way way too original for that, as well as being 100 times as quick on the uptake as ggggi. ”
yah dasright i fuck all ya mothafuckas up lozllzllzlz
I’m like a little bitty kid with a real big mouth
And you’re gonna have to catch me if you wanna wash it out,
Cuz I’ll be standin’ on the corner, callin’ you names,
With my juvenile skills and juvenile games
Cuz I’m a fast motherf**ker,
Let me tell you ’bout it sucker,
If you f**k with me, I’ll f**k your mother,
Your sister, too, and your best girlfriend,
Then I’ll line ’em up, and put ’em end to end,
And then I’ll put (stick) it in, I’ll pull it out,
I’ll grab your face and then I’ll cum in your mouth.
It tastes good, don’t it?
It tastes good, HUH
And you know it, OW!
im fucking what axl rose would be if he were a rap artist
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i once snagged an interview with GBFM when he was a young upstart. He has since turned into the shy recluse we know him as today.
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All you up and coming marriage-minded men and women,
In case anyone ever wanted to get married in the West:
http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/articles-by-f-roger-devlin/
Rotating Polyandry—and its Enforcers
Any PUA will immediately recognize and certify all of the female behaviour mentioned in the first book review, Women’s Infidelity Living in Limbo by Michelle Langley. Essentially: women are, by nature, prone to dance on Alpha cock (for a time) and will rationalize their betrayals through manipulative, self-serving delusions.
Anyone who has had actual relationships with women knows these things are true, unless they’re still suckered by the bill of goods the Pedestalization movement sold us all.
(me, a good number, including a marriage; recently lots of casual ones, on my terms; All of the men I know, without exception; everything I read BY men about their relationships).
Roissy and all other anti-Marriage men are dead on.
Women: Take a good, hard, long look at the world as it appears to men. Take a good, hard, long look at the dating and marriage world as it affects men. See how men see you.
23 “boyfriends” before your second year of college? Men will love fucking you. Only retarded men and the loser betas you hate so much will have anything more to do with you once they’re done pounding you.
Once you’ve done some good surveys of modern life in the West, realize: I’m going to have to manipulate the living shit out of any guy to get him to marry me.
And men, be forewarned and forearmed. Be single. learn game. Sleep with them, adore them, exchange lovers’ embraces and enjoy women.
But please, men, don’t marry them. You might luck out, but let’s be honest: there’s a pretty good chance you’ll be screwed to the wall.
The biggest loser: All of us. We’ve created this through passive acceptance of this whole circumstance.
When you hate these guys who fiddle with you and discard you, just remember, women:
You and your mothers created us.
Literally and figuratively.
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i think women are sweet. i dont see what is wrong with putting them on a pedestal. they should be.
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@chic noir
Thanks for the guess, but actually I am really not “greatbooksformen”, I am someone from long ago.
I previously commented under the identity of SovereignAmericanMale,
Sara wanted me, but I was headed down under to become an Expat and for a while I was SovereignAustrailianMale.
After my grand return to the US, I was pestered to return to Chez Roissy. I mostly just lurk these days, as I am too busy with my current economic endeavor to craft well thought out
comments.
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also, consider the fact it is morally wrong to be an asshole women just to have sex with them. don’t you have a conscience?
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“ahappinessexperiment
i think women are sweet. i dont see what is wrong with putting them on a pedestal. they should be.”
Hehehehehehehehe
If they’re naked and dancing, absolutely.
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ahappinessexperiment
also, consider the fact it is morally wrong to be an asshole women just to have sex with them. don’t you have a conscience?
Er, … what? Well, then, um, … I do believe the women love it when I game them. And they definitely love sex. And they come back.
Er.
Immoral? Do you actually, … live in the same world as the rest of us? Don’t get me wrong. I like them and all.
When you see a seagull, you can admire its beauty, the form of its flight, the gentle way it lands and the nobility in its eye, … but when you get right down to it, they’re pretty pigeons that caw and scream at each other, bully each other, are constantly bickering over status and hierarchy and cheat and steal from each other without a moment’s hesitation.
I’m not saying shoot them all. I’m just saying, … admire them and just always bear in mind what seagulls are: really, really impressively engineered, talkative, often comforting and sometimes charming flying rats.
Same goes for women. Appreciate them all you want, but never forget what they are: duplicitous (but profoundly self-righteous), easily led, easily seduced, attention and status whores as easily led by their wet pussies as any man and his cock.
I do believe all of the women I’ve been with very actively wanted to be fucked. By me, incidentally.
How is that unethical?
Explain it to me.
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Gorb,
Not cool. How about some glasnost?
Imagine the girl you tricked into fucking was your daughter or mine. Then what would you think?
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seagull? really? Gorby is resorting to Checkov now?
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@ahappinessexperiment
Tom Leykis would occasionnaly get asked by a caller if he had any daughters. His answer would be “I don’t have daughters. I have other men’s daughters”.
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Chivalry is like compliments, gifts or any other deferential tactics, it’s totally OK after value has been demonstrated. (See the post on Vicky Cristina Barcelona and why Juan Antonio can not once but twice tell the women they are beautiful.)
A strapping, wealthy guy holding doors and all the rest of it is chivalrous. A suckup beta deferring to his date and racing to flash cash is a sap confirming his lack of value.
One thing I’ve gotten from the PUA community is that it’s easy to go too far and stop being a decent person, in your daytime life especially. The de-betatizing process can be a crude one that takes out some of the good stuff. Once I got some comfort with the principles, I realized it was OK to do all the helpful stuff I normally did (because I think it’s the right thing to do), AS LONG AS I took care to keep up the DHV.
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back to chivalry. it used to involve duels. you take away legal death fights, u remove the incentive to put ur jacket over a puddle.
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“Imagine the girl you tricked into fucking was your daughter or mine. Then what would you think?”
This is a favorite meme among feminists and misandrists…I fail to understand how consenting adults socializing and progressing to sex is “tricking.” Even if you are speaking of PUA techniques that involve mendacity, I’ve never heard of a routine that involved “I’ll marry you if you do me tonight” or some absurd promise like that which could be construed as “tricking.”
It takes an awful lot of simultaneous pedestalization and condescension towards the female sex to think they would never have casual sex unless they were “tricked” by a bad man.
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GBFM has had some good ones. You’re weird, but in a brilliantly funny way so the weirdness becomes alpha somehow. You own it, I’ll give you that. well done.
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“Badger Nation
Chivalry is like compliments, gifts or any other deferential tactics, it’s totally OK after value has been demonstrated. (See the post on Vicky Cristina Barcelona and why Juan Antonio can not once but twice tell the women they are beautiful.)
A strapping, wealthy guy holding doors and all the rest of it is chivalrous. A suckup beta deferring to his date and racing to flash cash is a sap confirming his lack of value.
One thing I’ve gotten from the PUA community is that it’s easy to go too far and stop being a decent person, in your daytime life especially. The de-betatizing process can be a crude one that takes out some of the good stuff. Once I got some comfort with the principles, I realized it was OK to do all the helpful stuff I normally did (because I think it’s the right thing to do), AS LONG AS I took care to keep up the DHV.”
Badger Nation is a PUA FAGGITTYYU FUCKUP FAQGOT with a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny dick.
The fuckster writes, “A strapping, wealthy guy holding doors and all the rest of it is chivalrous. A suckup beta deferring to his date and racing to flash cash is a sap confirming his lack of value.”
WELL FUCK YOU YOU SNIVELING PUA-WORSHIPPING FUCKTARD!!
IF A GIRL CAN’T THANK A GUY DEFERRING TO HIM AND PAYING FOR HER DINNER, THEN FUCK YOU AND FUCK HER TOO.
Badger Nation is the worst kind of Beta.
He thinks taht he can wash his betaness off by studying the PUA betas.
He thinks that honor can only come form money and rich people.
This is because the fucktard mashed buttons in his single om’
s basement and never read Scorates.
There is a far greater chance BADGER FUCK will wash his cock off by whacking it so much. lzozllzzll
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ahappinessexperiment
Gorb,
Not cool. How about some glasnost?
Just where, exactly, is the trickery? You lay it out, she likes it, wants to jump it. Ergo, mutual informed consent.
If she’s gamed, then, well, … maybe she shouldn’t let herself be led by her instincts? Oh, but modern Feminism says Be Proud Of Your Inner Power, Be a Woman.
I *love* feminism.
I do believe every PUA feels the same way.
Imagine the girl you tricked into fucking was your daughter or mine. Then what would you think?
Where’d this “tricked” thing come into it?
Okay, if it was my daughter, I’d forewarn her about what men are all about; that if she thinks it’s valuable, because men do, maybe guard your pussy carefully and give it out on more than your hindbrain’s insistence; learn loyalty, depth of character, how to fight the right battles and be feminine without being subservient. Be responsible.
Above all else, don’t be a slut. Men smell it.
And if you get gamed, well, might as well enjoy it and decide what you’re going to do later.
And remember: It all runs out fast. Your clock ticks until you’re 30 or so. Then you’re cold meat. By 40 you’re a dried up husk. Your options are so bad by this point, you might as well just stay single.
Then I’d let her make her own decisions as an adult, and she’d have to bear the consequences.
What am I supposed to do? Rewrite human nature?
I don’t see the actual fault, here.
Hm.
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ahappinessexperiment
seagull? really? Gorby is resorting to Checkov now?
Dude.
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“IF A GIRL CAN’T THANK A GUY DEFERRING TO HIM AND PAYING FOR HER DINNER, THEN FUCK YOU AND FUCK HER TOO.”
Most women will “thank” a man for deferring and paying, but they don’t love him or feel any attraction.
The perspective change is astounding, and it goes both ways.
Guys see ugly/fat girls around their targets as not really women – women they wouldn’t sleep with if she dragged him to the bar bathroom stall.
Girls see “nice guys” as not really guys – guys they wouldn’t do if they had to. Worse, they see nice guys as other girls.
(Conversely, Mystery once advised on opening a mixed-gender set: “guys are just ugly girls.”)
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i’ll open a door or buy her a drink if i wish. its a sweet gesture.
the thing is, deep down, she knows i don’t have to.
jesus christ, its not hard to figure out.
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Badger Nation said:
“A strapping, wealthy guy holding doors and all the rest of it is chivalrous. A suckup beta deferring to his date and racing to flash cash is a sap confirming his lack of value.”
–yes. It’s nice when a truly cool guy open doors and the like…he’s moved beyond the over-thinking it and just lives it and you get the sense he’s been validated enough to just do as he pleases. This can result in his kindness or meanness, it’s at his discretion and he has both at his disposal. That’s why the backed up swagger is soooo sexy as opposed to the store-bought variety.
“One thing I’ve gotten from the PUA community is that it’s easy to go too far and stop being a decent person, in your daytime life especially. The de-betatizing process can be a crude one that takes out some of the good stuff.”
–yes, shame really. the pace is key. how did the guy find himself, and at what cost?
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GBFM–
relax on Badger, he’s right. A nerd has to be careful with how he first presents himself. I would say go mid-way, try to get the doors but if you don’t, you don’t. Geography does play a role. The southern US is where all doors are opened for women and I must say, it was nice. They separate the sexes down there in a good way, in an old-fashioned way. They reward feminine behavior.
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@Anoukange
–yes, shame really. the pace is key. how did the guy find himself, and at what cost?
Okay, it’s true: you don’t need to follow a script. Any smart guy knows that you temper it, and you maintain the attitude but you don’t need to be a raging dick to get your dick wet.
Swagger into the bar but you don’t need to knock people over.
On the other hand, sometimes knocking her down a peg makes her wetter than niagara falls in the rain. Believe me.
You gotta love the rain.
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@Jeffrey of Troy
>i>Although SDaedalus is perfectly happy to carry her own bags & opening her own doors, she does appreciate those men who occasionally offer to help her out in this regard.”
No one’s disputing that you do SD; unfortunately – for men trying to get laid – appreciation isn’t attraction
Yes, well, on the one hand you guys complain all women are ready to jump into bed at the slightest opportunity, on the other you expect us to do so at the opening of a door, there’s an irony here.
Joking aside, good manners in a man are clearly not enough on their own, just like a nice nature, regrettably, is not enough on its own for woman, the sweetest Cigtashe, being born to blush unseen, until the poetry tonight at any rate.
But you all know this, the real question is whether or not good manners in a man are an actual turn-off or whether or not (like a sweet nature in a woman) they could add a small advantage if other characteristics are present.
Common pitfalls:
It’s important that men don’t allow good manners to be confused with obsequiousness/weakness It must be clear that behind the good manners lies strength of character.
It’s also important that good manners are universally applied (except in cases where good manners would clearly be inappropriate, as when dealing with a thundering bitch), and don’t come with an obvious quid pro quo. There is nothing more repulsive than a guy who opens a door for a young woman, but lets it swing in the face of the elderly lady, one foot in the grave, who comes after her. Do you really think the first woman, if she has any brains at all, doesn’t notice and draw the logical conclusion?
If the above two requirements are satisfied, and there was some attraction there to begin with, I genuinely believe that good manners would add to the attraction rather than detract from it. Of course, good manners without the above pitfalls in eligible men are so rare now this statement has to be hypothetical. A bit like a nice nature in women I suppose.
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“””Badger Nation
“IF A GIRL CAN’T THANK A GUY DEFERRING TO HIM AND PAYING FOR HER DINNER, THEN FUCK YOU AND FUCK HER TOO.”
Most women will “thank” a man for deferring and paying, but they don’t love him or feel any attraction.
The perspective change is astounding, and it goes both ways.
Guys see ugly/fat girls around their targets as not really women – women they wouldn’t sleep with if she dragged him to the bar bathroom stall.””””
hey fuckface
if a woman is not attracted to a man then she shouldn’t be letting him buy her dinner you fucktard fuckity fucktardshit beta.
and a guy shouldn’t be asking her out, just as guys don’t ask out girls they’re not attracted to you fucktard.
tardfuck lzollzozl
you fucktards have obviously never gotten laid without your left hand jerking your cok
i’m nice to chix all the time and get a lot of play
it’s all you beta fucktards who think you has to be assholes and then you score 4’s and 5’s with your tiny cocks lozzlllzzozllllzlzzzozlzlzlz zlzozlzlzlllzlzll
the funny things is that chix know that assholery is beta game lzozlzlz
just be a man, for once, for chirssake.
you might get laid you might not but at least, for the first time in ur life, u were a man lzozlzl omg lzozlzl
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Hitler had the right idea. Everyone since has been a pussy and an underachiever.
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Well, “you gotta love the rain”. I say: always go a little notch up from your confortable asshole level and enjoy.
I usually do good manners for everyone but the girl with me and it works wonders.
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Anoukange
…..and you get the sense he’s been validated enough to just do as he pleases…
And you give yourself away
And you give yourself away
And you give
And you give
And you give yourself away
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Just resist the civilised urge to please a woman and there you have it: you can do as you please and she’ll enjoy to ride.
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“you gotta love the rain.”
it’s raining men.
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Hitler was an asshole and made jew girls cream in their pants in the crouched position. i bet every jew girl in a concentration camp was masturbating to hitler’s cock.
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maybe gallantry works on really young girls who have little experience dating. Long stretched dating sessions from teenage into thirties maybe cuts of the novelty of a chivelrous man.
In other times the courtship (dating) period was shorter and the marriage common and early in live.
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I’m with The Specimen on this one. He may just be banging the stupid groupies that go to the book signings.
Deep down, I hope this guy doesn’t believe this crap and really just wrote the book because he knew idiots would eat it up and it would get him laid.
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Gallant Guy wants to find a lady who is a virgin in the 21 Century. It is said in Medieval folklore that only a virgin can tame the Unicorn. That’s where gallantry belongs.
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It’s a big stretch for me to be able to empathize with those who prefer a virgin. From what I read people are genetically encoded regarding that issue – some people are hard wired to have strong feelings about the issue. I can barely intellectually understand this, and so in the interest of accepting human diversity, I can say that if this is your strategy, there are still places where girls still internalize the value of virginity.
Of course there will be a zillion other cross cultural problems you could face.
Indonesia still has many virgin minded girls. The Philippines might, but it’s a real crap shoot, as the whole country is geared towards fleecing the naive foreigner. I wouldn’t look for virgins in Thailand, but some say they exist there.
The whole idea is so foreign to me, even vulgar, that it is an effort even to mention it.
But with some effort a western guy could find a young, pretty Indonesian girl who would marry a guy up to age forty. You’ll need some game if you want to be fifty and marry a 21 year old, but a 28 year old should be a reasonable goal.
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I’ve been offered some extremely choice girls to marry, when in the Philippines. Hot hot smokin hot. Virgins, but I got a little non penetrative action going on on the first date. Some even had me meet their family on the first date.
I just didn’t want to marry.
They seemed very sweet. Instant schwing material.
Some of those girls work 6 days a week in sweat shop factories. Just ready to be rescued.
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xsplat
In my experience, Phillipino women age badly, have small/short sons, and lots of needy relatives. Phillipinos don’t see to have the mental sharpness of East Asians, more like Caucasians in that respect.
YMMV.
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Yup, Grampa, but I’d put it in harsher terms. I’d say women age badly.
I’ve had to give up some very choice options, but the other option I just couldn’t stomach. Marriage. Uggggghhhhh.
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Hey now Max, that song is in the top twenty love songs of all time. Giving is risking. With risk can come failure or success. Every action taken, whether from the head or the heart is a risk. It’s all chaos anyway so over thinking everything only gives one the impression that they have control over the situation. Keep telling yourselves that, and I’ll be clicking my heels and asking/wanting to go home….
turn it up…..
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Chivalry was invented by the Catholic Church to get knights to stop wantonly killing one another and laying waste to the countryside with their constant fueding. Imagine Fairfax going to war with Annandale every two years and that was life in Medieval Northern Europe. It was a brilliant idea really, to harness their power to the Church’s aims as well as to create an environment of peace and stability within Europe. Very few knights were truly chivalrous in reality, but they at least saw the benchmark and tried to emulate it for public consumption.
I agree with White woman, one can be both masculine, an Alpha if you will, and chivalrous. At the risk of being pilloried, I always pay for dates, drinks,etc. with a woman. I hold open doors, etc. I always have and always will. If its appreciated, it gives me great pleasure to do so. Maybe its my age, but I see it as an obligation and I enjoy it. It has worked well for me.
Chivalry works well with Eastern European women because they kind of expect it and are romantic at heart. However, that is not the same as being a pushover. I am also fine with telling women in clear and specific language when they don’t meet my standards or expectations. Sometimes, its in gentle teasing form, and sometimes its spoken in my DI voice. Fewer words have more effect than too many. An off hand remark will have my wife fretting about how to correct her behavior for days, if I let it happen.
Xsplat said it all above- you have to internalize the sense that you are the best man she can have and get in her mind and focus on meeting the needs and expectations of her id. In my marriage, chivalry makes my wife feel special, protected, and loved. She returns the favor such that I feel I get more than I must give. My wife worries about losing me instead of how to dump me, like the betas on another thread from yesterday. Would I act the same way with a stripper? Maybe, if it brought results. If not, I can easily revert to pimp mode, and the ability to make the switch well, is what keeps women sweet for me.
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Chivalry is also a lot easier than proper game. Anyone can be chivalrous. This should raise the first alarm as to its utility.
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@ahappinessexperiment
Hitler was an asshole and made jew girls cream in their pants in the crouched position. i bet every jew girl in a concentration camp was masturbating to hitler’s cock.
I know this isn’t a serious statement, but its sick. Most were gassed to death or starved and worked to death, in filth, loneliness, and abject misery. Go to Auschwitz or Dachau. They are evil places. It is said that birds won’t land on Auschwitz’s soil. Dachau prison was never a death camp, but it is a spooky, evil place. Dachau was actually an artist’s village near Munich and had lots of 30s era SWPL equivalents in it, which is why it was chosen for the prison. Its still a nice town, except for the camp.
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@ ahappinessexperiment
Your daughters are whoers.
It takes extraordinary measures to train a child, particularly a daughter. If interested, start here: http://www.nogreaterjoy.org
@ Gorbachev
Re. Korea, agreed. Somethings messed up when the boys are prettier than the girls.
The larger problem with Korea (and Asia in general) is the girls are forced by societal convention to get a degree and to wait till 30+ to get married and have 1.2 children.
Course, that makes Roissians happy. Game all the way up to the expiration date.
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“At the risk of being pilloried, I always pay for dates, drinks,etc. with a woman. I hold open doors, etc. I always have and always will. If its appreciated, it gives me great pleasure to do so.”
If it’s appreciated, and it shows status and “breeding” instead of sucking up to girls, then there is nothing wrong with it.
If, on the other hand, you are swimming in a pool of entitled princesses (most modern young women I have met in America), it’s not going to be appreciated; they just think they are entitled to a man’s money because they have a vagina, and they are going to take a paying man for a sucker. but chivalry game does have its uses among this crowd, to keep you around long enough to get to home plate.
What’s funny is that the girls don’t seem to figure this out – I talk to girls who have been pump-and-dumped and they don’t get that if a man pulls out some chivalry routine, it’s more likely he’s just trying to get in her pants rather than being a super-alpha southern gentleman type.
I loathe these women with the passion of a thousand suns.
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This whole chivalry thing is like the feminist push for “sexual power” – femmies reasoned that powerful men had a lot of sex, so if THEY had a lot of sex they would be seen as powerful. Wrongggg. Way to put the cart before the horse.
Similarly, chivalry only has a positive effect if you have already established some power or leverage. Being courteous is just that, but if you think by opening doors and buying drinks you are going to look like a member of the landed gentry you’ve got another thing coming (and it won’t be coming with a woman).
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Dear ahappiness experiment,
I am sorry to tell you this but if your daughter is 15 plus she has almost certainly given a few guys head at the very least.
The best advice you can impart is that there is a small segment of high quality men who value women with short sexual histories (say less than 5 for the sake of argument) and economic prudence. I hope its not already too late for her.
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Badger,
“If it’s appreciated, and it shows status and “breeding” ”
–It is a sign of breeding. The girl should never expect it or feel entitled to chivalry. I had assumed it was still happening because it happens to me all the time. Guys are chivalrous with me all the time and I certainly don’t think less of them, but more. I just assume they’re well bred, and I show my genuine gratitude when it is done. If a guy belches at the table while we’re eating, I assume his mother didn’t raise him right. It looks bad on him, and it never appears “alpha-like”. It’s a major turn off. I find chivalry romantic because it is a more traditional role playing for men and women. She should counter his politeness with pleasantries of her own in return.
I guess because I’m not out dating/scoring with these women you all speak of I don’t see what you’re dealing with, I can only pull from my on experiences and it seems very hostile here in comparison. Guys are nice to me, thank god.
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*own* experiences
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Well, I was convinced that GBFM was Roissy, but maybe he is Gunslinger. I haven’t noticed Gunslinger commenting lately.
I am siding with White Woman, sdaedalus, and Margaret and the other women posters because I don’t think all women are after alphas. They fall into two categories:
1) Women in their 30s who have become realistic about alpha bad boys and just want a nice guy to have a family with. Of course, they have been butthexed to death by then.
2) I think some young women are put off by bad boys. I think it is just a personality thing. (But what the hell do *I* know since I don’t talk to women).
I’m just saying I don’t think all women are the same.
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I’m surprised no one has mentioned “supplication” in this thread. Chivarly borders on it, it’s all about pedestalization.
The guy who brings a girl a glass of water, or a drink at a party or bar…is supplicating. if he believes his actions could lead to getting action or building attraction.
Chivarly only works as part of some type of ‘vulnerability game’ and after alpha creds have been established.
I’ve tried this and it always keeps the woman on her toes.
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Of course all girls aren’t the same!
If – if – you are able to get a truly young hottie (basically college age, especially if she is of foreign parentage and therefore somewhat proofed from our disgusting culture) who hasn’t been totally pump-n-dumped into the typical jaded American woman, establishing alpha cred with a bit of chivalry on the side works like nothing else.
Chivalry, in any form, however, must never, ever be used on most American women – it will repel them and they haven’t earned it. They will get alpha raw-daaaawged and they will love it, every drop and every minute of the three-hole party. And then you walk, deleting their numbers as you sashay into the sunset with a huge Top Animal smile on your happy face. You will hate yourself for 2.5 seconds, till you share the stories with your buddies, who will reassure you that you only gave the sluts what they wanted. They will be correct.
Chivalry isn’t dead, it’s just to be used sparingly, to good effect, but only on honorable young women who merit it. Otherwise it’s putting lipstick on a pig, but less attractive.
More reasons, were any needed, why American women ought almost never be considered for LTRs much less marriage. That’s what Ukraine is for.
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@xplat
“Indonesia still has many virgin minded girls. The Philippines might, but it’s a real crap shoot, as the whole country is geared towards fleecing the naive foreigner. I wouldn’t look for virgins in Thailand, but some say they exist there.”
and
“I’ve been offered some extremely choice girls to marry, when in the Philippines. Hot hot smokin hot. Virgins, but I got a little non penetrative action going on on the first date. Some even had me meet their family on the first date.
I just didn’t want to marry.
They seemed very sweet. Instant schwing material.
Some of those girls work 6 days a week in sweat shop factories. Just ready to be rescued.”
@somebody
“In my experience, Phillipino women age badly, have small/short sons, and lots of needy relatives. ”
A yes. The scheme is clear. You get to marry a hot
young babe, maybe really a virgin. And she will
– maybe – be nice to you IF YOU STAY IN THE PHILIPPINES
OR SOME OTHER POOR COUNTRY. (If moved to the
US or equivalent, she will turn hard as nails.)
Either way, you buy into this and you are the ATM
for both the wife and her large extended family;
they will use every trick in the book to pump money
from you.
This is easy to analyze, I know men who married
(or, in one case narrowly bolted) philippinas.
Thor
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“1) Women in their 30s who have become realistic about alpha bad boys and just want a nice guy to have a family with. Of course, they have been butthexed to death by then.”
loozlzozllz yes whena woman’s anus is bleeding and her gina has dried upm, she is redy to “settle down.” lzolzlzl
and if you don’t settle down with her, bernanke and his firends will grow the government to rape your assetts to support her three children from four fathers ya you heard me right one of the kids is two spermazoas and one egg and his name is tucker max.
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“1) Women in their 30s who have become realistic about alpha bad boys and just want a nice guy to have a family with. Of course, they have been butthexed to death by then.
2) I think some young women are put off by bad boys. I think it is just a personality thing. (But what the hell do *I* know since I don’t talk to women).”
What’s your definition of a bad boy?
Maybe some “bad boys” were “nice guys” at first and then morphed into bad boys…
And what’s the problem with a girl dating a guy who excites her? Nobody blames you for chasing a girl who gives you a hard on.
Just saying.
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@ PhillyBoy
“And what’s the problem with a girl dating a guy who excites her?”
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
“Nobody blames you for chasing a girl who gives you a hard on.”
And I feel fine.
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“And what’s the problem with a girl dating a guy who excites her?” – PhillBoy81
You must not hang around here much.
The problem is that there are only so many exciting guys to go around, so even if they wanted to settle down (which they don’t because they’re getting so much NSA pussy), it would mean most young women wouldn’t get one. Then the betas and omegas get to have the well-butthexed leftovers.
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I would also encourage you to look at it this way. Most guys, even the self proclaimed “nice guys,” just want to bang these chicks. A lot of so-called nice guys say they want their princess, but in reality, they’re envious of the guys who get lots of action, and deep down inside, they want to be these guys. So if a girl has a choice between an “alpha” stud and a regular guy, and there’s a good possibility that either one will dump her once they’re tired of banging her, why wouldn’t she take a risk on the alpha stud?
It’s the same logic as “If I’m going to get dragged into marriage, sucked dry financially and cuckolded, can I at least have that done to me by a super hottie?” There’s no difference.
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“The problem is that there are only so many exciting guys to go around.”
And they’re only so many cute girls to go around. But you still chase them, right? Why should you be any more entitled to a cute girl than they are to an exciting guy?
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“And what’s the problem with a girl dating a guy who excites her?” – PhillBoy81
Nothing. But you seem to object to guys learning how to excite women in your earlier posts. If they learn Game, they will become more interesting to women (certainly more so than if they stayed at home watching TV and drinking).
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“Nothing. But you seem to object to guys learning how to excite women in your earlier posts. If they learn Game, they will become more interesting to women (certainly more so than if they stayed at home watching TV and drinking).”
My problem with “game” is that it puts you in the wrong frame of mind to begin with. You shouldn’t be doing something an “alpha” way or acting “alpha.” You should just be doing you, whatever that may be.
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“My problem with “game” is that it puts you in the wrong frame of mind to begin with. You shouldn’t be doing something an “alpha” way or acting “alpha.” You should just be doing you, whatever that may be.”
lozlzlzlzlzl!!
i kinwo the badger nations are doing themselves lzozlzlllz with their left hand lzozlzlzlzlz
PUA shit is for pussies a nd little fucking beta wimps.
The Great Books are all teh game you will ever need and THEY ARE FOR MEN.
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“You should just be doing you, whatever that may be.”
Trouble is, that’s what most betas and omegas do. So they talk to girls about Dungeons and Dragons, or their interest in railway timetables. And they mistake polite questions for signs of awakening love.
What you suggest is analogous to telling a girl with bad skin not to wear make-up. They might be “doing themselves”, but they’re not doing their social prospects any favours.
The worst dating advice anyone here, or in the real world, can ever be given is:
“Just be yourself”
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Plus, I don’t think it’s really hard to excite a girl. Like I said, if you do you, you should always be able to excite most girls.
For example, with my current GF, our first date was at a pool hall. We had some fries, a couple of beers, and then split the tab. I chose something I knew I was good at, she was bad at it, and I was able to teach her.
I had another girl lace up boxing gloves at my house and I let her have a go at me. When I got tired of her punching me in the chest, I slipped one of her jabs, and then popped her square between the eyes. I followed up with a kiss to her forehead to make it all better. I was gonna have fun regardless (beating somebody’s a$$ is always fun to me). If you pick something that’s fun to you, you’ll have fun no matter what the chick’s thinking, ahd that’s always attractive.
As far as initiating verbal sparring in bars to pick up chicks, I don’t advise it. If you have that much of a problem dealing with girls, then I’d advise you to make small talk with anyone and everyone on a DAILY basis. When you go to IHOP, talk to the waitress. At the grocery store? Talk to the cashier. Doesn’t matter if it’s a girl or a guy. If you’re comfortable starting a convo out of thin air with a random dude in line at the gas station, you’ll be equally comfortable starting a convo out of thin air with a cute girl at the bus stop.
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Chivalry in the accurate historical context is a code of conduct for knights and how they conduct themselves with their lords, kings, other knights and commoners. It does not revolve around women.
But of course, the feminazis will pick and choose, cherry pick the bits to serve their agenda.
In femspeak, chivalry = unconditional, unquestioned, on-demand pussy pedestalling.
There is also a word-action disconnect. It’s something like hypocrisy, but it’s partly also how women are wired. Women say they like chivalrous gentlemen types, but they get wet and spread legs for bad boy types. Always watch what they do, and ignore what they say.
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“Trouble is, that’s what most betas and omegas do. So they talk to girls about Dungeons and Dragons, or their interest in railway timetables. And they mistake polite questions for signs of awakening love.”
There are a lot of weird girls out there, man. There’s somebody for everybody.
If that’s your personality–the actual core of your being–there’s not much you can do to change that. And you shouldn’t. There are girls out there who would dig a guy who talked about Dungeon and Dragons; in fact, she might be a comic book and video game fanatic herself. I knew a guy in college than I considered hopeless. But lo and behold, he found a girl that was equally dorky. There’s somebody for everybody.
The problem is not that guys can’t get a girl. They’re just angry that they can’t get 8s and 9s. And that’s ridiculous. In fact, it’s just as ridiculous as the 5 or 6 girl whose chasing the alpha male who’s way out of her league. Different sides of the same coin, my friend.
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Tyrone
I don’t know that it was invented by the Catholic Church (I think not), but it was certainly greatly encouraged by it for that reason. The Church had always had a problem with Christians fighting Christians, or anyway Catholics fighting Catholics. During the times of high Church influence in Medieval Europe from Charlemane on more or less, Christian monarchs and lords of any standing were obliged to invent reasons for waging war on each other. (In fact giving an established king recognized by the Pope religious/ideological authority to theoretically rule undisturbed by usurpers or neighboring Christian princes was part of the appeal of adopting Christianity by various mostly germanic successors to parts of the Roman Empire.
Simply wanting the territory wasn’t enough for a Christian prince. There had to be some claim of right. These however could be and were endlessly invented, usually on the basis of conflicting theories of inheritance and when that had and hadn’t been a rightful justification for past takeovers, etc.
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Thor
A westerner marrying a Filipina isn’t much different from a Filipino marrying a Filipina. The main difference is that westerners tend to be clueless about women in general, and therefore are easy to pussy whip.
Marriage in any country is as you describe it. The relatives you mention as a possible expense are nothing to the expenses that a western wife will impose on you for nonessential cost of status living arrangements.
Marriage is paying for sex.
Flip it around on the girl. Don’t marry her. Make her work to be worthy of keeping you.
Of course you’ll lose out on some genuine connections that way, but life is about trade offs.
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The larger problem with Korea (and Asia in general) is the girls are forced by societal convention to get a degree and to wait till 30+ to get married and have 1.2 children.
Course, that makes Roissians happy. Game all the way up to the expiration date.
Absolutely. And when these Asian guys just feminize themselves out of the game, I mean.
It’s just unfair. It’s like being a giant at an ant convention. You actually feel some guilt when you’re boning everyone else’s girlfriends – almost endlessly.
It’s not even challenging any more. Seriously.
Not China, the Phillipines is the same old same old, etc.
In Japan and Korea – What happened?
Major male-ndectomy.
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Phillyboy—
I think the sense of disillusionment and “not getting one’s just deserts” is much worse on the beta male side though than on the middle of the female pack side. Sure there are all kinds of feminist messages that what men should, and good men do, value most is female educational and other accomplishment and hence status, but few girls come close to fully believing that that’s the full story. They know damn well that men go for hot girls, particularly before they’re ready to really settle down (which they’re convinced must/ought to happen for any decent guy.) This last is where female delusion engendered by the false messages of our feminist culture is greatest btw, in addition to educational status being all important.
Males particularly in the upper half of the SES on up really are taught that career success is the most important factor in getting the most desirable girl, followed by loyalty and “niceness” and then after that perhaps looks. Neither is true, though there’s enough glimmer of truth in them to build this false propaganda upon. To the extent that girls are ONLY interested in a LTR tryout for marriage, it tends to be a lot more true than it is when girls are in their 20’s (and before) play and exploration time. A male 6 isn’t going to be able to get a female 6 without serious commitment, while he sees lots of female 6’s have casual sex with alphas and lesser alphas, and guys with much less good jobs than his score real hotties.
I don’t think most omega store clerks etc. really think they “deserve” hot girls or at least a solid 7. Most guys with real good jobs though do think that. They’ve been encouraged to by their upwardly striving families, schools and by the media. That there are such way easier game shortcuts particularly before the girl is in marrying mode is a revelation.
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Phillyboy-
The problem with your view is how you’re defining someone’s “core”. You’re basically saying any given person is stuck with the personality they’ve developed naturally. What if their personality sucks for attracting women? What if their personality was developed in a way that’s constantly left the guy feeling weak, powerless, and supplicating? Furthermore, there are obviously a LOT of guys who just weren’t TAUGHT the right ways to be at an early age, or weren’t guided to develop a strong sense of self and confidence.
“Just be yourself” works fine if you mean “be a yourself that is confident, strong, passionate, and uncomprising in your values” If that’s what you mean, then great.
If, however, “just be yourself”, means to “do whatever comes naturally”, that’s when you run into problems. Acting on your impulses is the worst thing you can do at times, depending on the way you’ve been programmed and the way you’ve grown up.
People can change, and my take on Game is to integrate it to become the BEST version of myself, not someone else.
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Whitewoman-true, some men act alpha, but many women date fakes to begin with. There are also a lot of women who think they should be with an alpha but can’t get one-it goes both ways.
I agree with you about nice people, I think the problemis that a man can get taken advantage of if his kindness is seen as weakness. If a man isn’t alpha, that doesn’t mean his action wasn’t genuine. It is a woman’s business if she appreciates a man’s gesture or not, but she shouldn’t expect deference.
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“That there are such way easier game shortcuts particularly before the girl is in marrying mode is a revelation.”
So, in essence, are guys mad that women are getting their swerve on with sexy guys before they become pragmatists and decide to settle down with a boring loser with a steady paycheck?
My guess is that many of the posters here are college age or in their early 20s. As you get older, you will have the upper hand, and then you’ll start to view things differently. There were quite a few girls who acted too good to date me, and anyone else I knew, while in college. But now these same chicks are all desperate for a ring, and you can (1) bang them, (2) laugh at them or (3) bang them and then laugh at them.
The advantages that I have in my late 20s are (1) I can strong arm cute seniors and grad students away from their lower status peers, (2) I can juggle a lot of single girls that are my age and older because they are averse to dating younger men. It’s funny because when you’re in middle school, high school, etc, girls only want to go up, but that comes back to bite them in the a– when they get older.
So if you’re a college junior and you see lots of average girls running around with studs, just sit back, laugh, and know that time is on your side. Once you’re in the driver’s seat, you can do whatever you want.
Now if you are in your late 20s and early 30s and you still haven’t figured out how to approach a woman, you should just dig a hole. You’re not going to get a girl simply by waving your pay stub in front of her.
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Let’s have a look at the other side. What women view as “good manners” on their part when interacting with guys.
From Girl Game:
Number 3 and Number 4 are basically “caring about a guy you’ve slept with instead of being a *b!tch*”.
Now I’ll be pretty blunt here….. unless you chicka’s want to own up to being hard-core sluts….. you do actually feel something for the guys you sleep with? Right? I certainly hope so.
Now, that means you SHOULD, without being “under the influence” have a difficult time walking away from a guy you’ve slept with. Unless you are sleeping with EVERYBODY.
So basically, “Girl Game” seems to be suggesting that women in America aren’t ball-busting cock-carosel alpha-chasing whores ENOUGH. They need to care LESS for the men they have sex with.
Oh yeah, that’s swell.
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“Furthermore, there are obviously a LOT of guys who just weren’t TAUGHT the right ways to be at an early age, or weren’t guided to develop a strong sense of self and confidence.”
Well, being a wimp doesn’t get you very far in anything. “Game” won’t help these guys because it’s not just a matter of dealing with women. It’s all about the way you deal with people. You can very well be taken advantage of by a teenager or an old man if you lack basic social acuity.
In my opinion, I think it would be best for these guys to be social in a general sense rather than reading PUA literature. Guys who are great at charming women, in my view, are also good at charming men. A big part of your status is how you’re perceived by other men; you can’t truly divorce women’s perception of you from that of men.
Personally, if I go to a social function, I talk to everyone. If there’s a guy standing next to me looking bored, I chat him up about the game. If there’s a fat ugly chick, I chat her up too. If there’s a group of people laughing, I join in. This isn’t just good for picking up women. These are good skills to excel in life, period.
My problem with PUA guys is that they focus too much on techniques (kino, negs, etc) when you really don’t need any of that. The concept, or the big picture, is what you need to focus on. If a girl notices you moving about a room, charming fat chicks and making guys laugh, she’ll find you far more interesting than a guy who says, “I’ve been sitting here for two miniutes and you still haven’t bought me a drink.”
The best “game,” in my opinion, doesn’t even require words. It starts the moment you walk into a room. Now, you can set it up right, so when you approach a chick, all you have to do is kick the extra point. Or you can put yourself on the goal line and get penalty flags thrown on every down. Just my two cents.
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@Unhappiness Experiment
Any chance you’re going to put that blog back up? At this stage it’s like the blog version of Atlantis, Lyonesse or Hy-Brasil, shimmering in the distance but disappearing before I can get a chance to read it. At least let me save the GBFM interview.
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“Well, I was convinced that GBFM was Roissy, but maybe he is Gunslinger. I haven’t noticed Gunslinger commenting lately.”
Now that you mention it, I think GBFM is Roissy.
I guess Roissy was tired of all the trolls he gets on this blog and decided to create an uber-troll to show the other trolls how trolling is done.
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Doug,
“I think the sense of disillusionment and “not getting one’s just deserts” is much worse on the beta male side though than on the middle of the female pack side.”
I had to read this a couple of times, but I think you are on the mark.
Human females have always had to deal with an existential, fundamental desire to have the “top dog” and the reality that not that many are available. But because of the biologically-wired 80-20 rule, in a decent society MOST men should be able to get a satisfactory woman (I didn’t say deserve or entitled, just that’s how the numbers work out). Hot babes are great, but average men don’t have to have the top chick; they can be content with a woman nearer the center of the bell curve.
So now that we are in a white-collar, status-obsessed culture where expectations and entitlement are pumped up beyond belief and assisted by women’s economic independence, women ARE holding out for the top dog they statistically have a small shot at. So the disillusionment of the average beta man is crushing. In a healthy society, most of these men would be paired off with equally-average women, infidelity and “I’m not happy” excuses would be strongly shamed, and society would go on without trouble.
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I guess Roissy was tired of all the trolls he gets on this blog and decided to create an uber-troll to show the other trolls how trolling is done.
I guess GBFM was tired of all the alphabetizers he reads on the interwebz and decided to create an uber-alpha to show these alphabetizers how alpha-izing is done
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“I’d hate to break it to you fellas, but no woman out there is trying to trap you for your Honda Civic and a meal at Chipotle. 99.4% of the male population will never have to worry about golddiggers.”
Wrong…people will do it. It’s really strange, it exists in welfare culture as well – some people will be satisfied with a sh***y apartment and bad food, the goodies they get are not critical, as long as they don’t have to pay for it.
Remember also that girls like that fixxer-upper opportunity, so they will take it upon themselves to make Honda Civic man into Mr Mercedes – usually by pushing him into a workaholic, beta lifestyle that will cause her to get a new lover on the side while Cpt Chump sassifies her financial demands.
I think you are thinking Anna Nicole Smith marrying a senile benefactor. Thanks to the entitlement generation, gold-digging has hit all ages and classes. It’s simply the idea that it’s a man’s job to put a woman in a lifestyle. It’s ludicrous, and fools enable it.
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Badger, I agree with half of your analysis but I also believe that BOTH sides have had their expectations pumped up; if there’s anything that’s in ample evidence here, it is the notion that a man hasn’t lived until he’s bagged an 8 or a 9 or a 10… or many of them. On what planet and in what century was this a man’s birthright?
I’m skeptical about the claims that there’s less access to women today than in decades past for anyone but the top dogs. People who would have gotten laid before still get laid, but champagne expectations on a soda budget mean that fewer of those hookups lead to long-term relationships. Hence, we may have a not-quite-paradox of more lifetime sexual partners but less sex.
Whining is such a turn-off.
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Dilbert Hole jabbers:
Am I supposed to take this seriously?
Before prostitution was heavily stamped on to prevent competition to the “cartel” any man could sleep with an 8 or a 9 or a 10…. or many of them… for a fairly modest fee.
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Right, because laws of supply and demand didn’t apply then.
Angry whining is still whining, but it suits you well, so I say stick with it!
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“Remember also that girls like that fixxer-upper opportunity, so they will take it upon themselves to make Honda Civic man into Mr Mercedes – usually by pushing him into a workaholic, beta lifestyle that will cause her to get a new lover on the side while Cpt Chump sassifies her financial demands.”
That doesn’t make any sense. First, I thought the majority of women were chasing alphas. Why would she waste her time trying to transform a beta into an alpha? Second, wouldn’t Mr. Mercedes just dump his lover once he became Mr. Mercedes? It’s not like other women won’t notice the change too.
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Dilby the Privileged:
I have no idea what you are saying. That a “lesser man” couldn’t possibly have the money to afford a 10 prostitute?
I think you are forgetting, Dibly of the Unearned Privilege, that America was far less a class system back then.
I do enjoy listening to the smug condensation those with unearned privilege have, though.
So keep it up.
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@ Doug1
I don’t know that it was invented by the Catholic Church (I think not), but it was certainly greatly encouraged by it for that reason.
Chivalry as we know it in the Middle Ages came about as a result of the Peace and Truce in God movement, which was a code of conduct and honor promoted by local clerics and encouraged by the papacy starting around 1000. Chivalry evolved out of this movement, and became a positive answer and example for knights to follow rather than a proscriptive one as was the case with the Peace and Truce in god movement. These same clerics promoted chivalric literature and influenced those noblemen who wrote secular literature to incorporate those ideals. In truth, Chivalry was an evolving concept and was always an expression of Christian theology. In the time of Roland, it just meant prowess on the battlefield. Eventually it became a complete code of conduct and protocol as mentioned above. Good discussion.
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“That doesn’t make any sense. First, I thought the majority of women were chasing alphas. Why would she waste her time trying to transform a beta into an alpha? Second, wouldn’t Mr. Mercedes just dump his lover once he became Mr. Mercedes? It’s not like other women won’t notice the change too.”
You have logical errors:
1. Women are chasing alphas, but alpha is not synonymous with money unless alphas apply themselves for money…the pool boy could be alpha and still make nothing.
2. “Why would she waste her time trying to transform a beta into an alpha?”
Have you ever talked to women? The fool’s errand of trying to change men from their fundamental manner – or to combine two dissonant personas in one – is epidemic among modern girls, as is the cognitive dissonance required to try to change a man is endemic in the modern girl.
3. “Second, wouldn’t Mr. Mercedes just dump his lover once he became Mr. Mercedes?”
First, many guys don’t respond to the makeover and remain low-means. Second, those that do often do dump the woman and trade up; one of the basic arguments for alimony presumes that a man’s wife “made him what he is” and so he owes her a salary if he decides to get a better trophy wife.
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@Badger Nation
“3. “Second, wouldn’t Mr. Mercedes just dump his lover once he became Mr. Mercedes?”
First, many guys don’t respond to the makeover and remain low-means. Second, those that do often do dump the woman and trade up; one of the basic arguments for alimony presumes that a man’s wife “made him what he is” and so he owes her a salary if he decides to get a better trophy wife.”
The man who dumps the lover, if indeed she is a wife,
still gets to pay for her. And he is typically reluctant
to trade up (contrary to popular fiction) unless
either
a) His status has gone WAYYYY up
OR
b) She has degraded physically (e.g. fatocalypse) or
mentally (become the total bitch she always aspired
to be) way beyond what he had reason to expect.
Thor
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greatbooks for men is emophile or gunnslinger.
Thanks for the guess, but actually I am really not “greatbooksformen”, I am someone from long ago.
I previously commented under the identity of SovereignAmericanMale,
Sara wanted me, but I was headed down under to become an Expat and for a while I was SovereignAustrailianMale
AH, SAM here here young man, it’s been awhile.
*pops bottle of chris*
@polymath- well I tried 🙂
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Roissy’s provocative posts are demeaning to women and should be denounced!
I stand with the independent empowered woman, I hope they shit-test the fuck out of you!!
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ahappinessexperiment
“Hitler was an asshole and made jew girls cream in their pants in the crouched position. i bet every jew girl in a concentration camp was masturbating to hitler’s cock.”
That statement must have been written under tons of influence. But, the underline point taken 🙂
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Please. Gross is OK by me.
Glorifying genocide – or at least
accepting it – is just VILE!!!!!
Thor
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Patr333x
You all are going to hate me cuz this is long….sorry!
I don’t know that most women are looking for an Alpha per say. I think most of us would like a good guy (meaning moral, kind, NOT a pushover) that also knows how to take care of himself…his house is in order, and he doesn’t take crap from anyone..even/especially women.
If a guy is being what we might call “too nice” what he is really being is desperate and no woman wants to feel like she’s someone’s last resort or that he’s so socially retarded (sorry, please no one take that the wrong way) that you are his only hope…that feels like too much, especially when you’ve only just met.
These are the guys that tell you 6 times in 5 minutes how gorgeous or beautiful you are…when you (the girl) know darn well you’re no HB9. THEY are actually trying to manipulate the girl every bit as much as a “Game” guy too and it’s really easy to see through.
On the opposite end of the scale are guys who neg you 10 times an hour and make you feel like you should get away, if you want to hold onto to your self-esteem. I’m supposed to jump in this guy’s lap?
I don’t know which scenario is more difficult to deal with, as a woman…but neither of them leads me to the bedroom.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that kindness and weakness aren’t the same and I think the first time a guy is challenged by a woman…meaning she is mean or disrespectful, he SHOULD put her in her place AND at that point, he decides whether the offense is bad enough to dump her or if he thinks he can “manage” her or if he just wants to wait and see. But why start off as enemies before there has been an offense? And heck, let’s face it, women HAVE been brainwashed. (GBFM might be one of the smarted guys here with his talk of fiat dollars). So there will be offenses sometimes. On both sides…
As you said Patr333x, women shouldn’t expect deference. Men are the stronger sex and they have created this beautiful society we get to live in. It’s a travesty how men are being treated in this country. That being said, I always try to be of service to whoever (in my life) needs it. I hold doors open for men and they hold doors open for me. I’ve comforted a couple of men who were feeling bad and men have done the same for me. I’ve paid for meals because I wanted to…not to get something from the guy but because that’s a way you show you like someone.
I guess that’s enough from me…Hope someone gleans something good from it.
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@White Woman
I think most of us would like a good guy (meaning moral, kind, NOT a pushover) that also knows how to take care of himself…his house is in order, and he doesn’t take crap from anyone..even/especially women
Absolutely. Strength of character can be hard to find though.
kindness and weakness aren’t the same
I agree with you here as well. Genuine kindness (as opposed to the fake kind assumed purely to get advantage in life) coupled with strength of character is an asset not a liability.
Women HAVE been brainwashed. (GBFM might be one of the smarted guys here with his talk of fiat dollars)
Although the little tease scuppered my Girl Game interview, he makes a good point on this. Women are the worst offenders in terms of buying (or getting their husbands to buy into) into the vicious circle of socially imposed debt that passes for a life these days.
PS I like your name. Yeats wrote a poem about a White Woman once, is this where it comes from?
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Tyrone–
True that.
You’re a right knowledgeable sort of sod, clearly.
I suspect you’re largely right.
However. What of the Arthurian legends? Do you think/know they were entirely invented post 1000 AD?
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White Woman–
I agree with all of what you said just above.
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@Chic Noir
AH, SAM here here young man, it’s been awhile.
*pops bottle of chris*
Thank you
*sips suds*
Mmmmh I see your a lady of taste… offering me a champagne instead of “malt lick-ah” although my love for strong drink runs in the flavors of:
Grand Marnier
Godiva cordial/liqeur when I am in full court press seduction mode
Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban for its port cask taste
Laphroaig 15 year Scotch made within the west islands (Islay)
Bowmore 18 year, also from Islay
Macallan 30 year Highland Scotch, shared only with those I treasure. Made in Craigellachie, a town in Speyside
Glenlivet 25 Year, another Highland Scotch, made within walking distance from the Macallan distillery, but its near Ballindalloch. Also shared with my intimates.
When I do a wine, I go for my ’75 Mouton Cadet Bordeaux from Philippe de Rothschild, on rare moments, otherwise
its some Opus One from Napa.
Not to be called a wine snob… I just know what I like.
I am however, quite the Scotch connoisseur.
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Pupu’s recurring idiosyncratic spelling mistakes and syntax errors (i.e., the use of superfluous definite articles) is indicative of foreign extraction. I’m guessing Eurasian.
The plot thickens.
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@Doug1
“However. What of the Arthurian legends? Do you think/know they were entirely invented post 1000 AD?”
Oh dear. The Arthurian times must have been around
500 AD or so, maybe earlier. Celtic spoken there.
And functional suits of armor, and the all-important
adjunct, STIRRUPS, were not known in Britain until
William the Bastard (later “Conqueror”) showed them
off con brio.
So, at a minimum, much of the details in Arthurian legends
has to be taken with large grains of salt. Unfortunately.
Thor
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The best “game,” in my opinion, doesn’t even require words. It starts the moment you walk into a room. Now, you can set it up right, so when you approach a chick, all you have to do is kick the extra point. Or you can put yourself on the goal line and get penalty flags thrown on every down. Just my two cents.
Okay. This works if you’re a 6 and you want to reasonably frequently bang a 6.
Learn game, and a 6 can bang an 8. Consistently. Repeatedly.
Why bother?
6. 7. 8.
No illusions about getting a 10 (one time out of a thousand?), but 8 is a heck of a lot sexier than 6.
And what’s so wrong with that?
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Thor, the suits of armor were added later in the retelling, a bit like the Taming of the Shrew being updated in Ten Things I hate about You. Not only were there no stirrups in Arthurian times, there were no high schools in Padua in the 16th century. Hopefully the basic principle of the legends survived the change in packaging, but one can never be quite sure.
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@sdaedalus (about stirrups etc)
This was my point, although you put it
more poetically!
Thor
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Doug1
Tyrone–
Good discussion.
True that.
You’re a right knowledgeable sort of sod, clearly.
I suspect you’re largely right.
However. What of the Arthurian legends? Do you think/know they were entirely invented post 1000 AD?
The basis is early post Roman Britain with Arthur supposedly fighting off invading Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc. around the early 6th Century. The chivalric stuff was all added later, as was also the case with Song of Roland and the Siegfried Saga. The Sigfried Saga is probably the least chivalric of the three, as it focuses on greed and lust for power and the destruction wrought therein. Roland was based on a rear guard action in Southern France/ Northern Spain against the Moors, where the Roland figure fought valiantly holding off the Moors while the main body got away. The Roland Saga as wel know it developed after the 12th Century. The Same is true with the Arthurian Legends, the most well known of which is Sir Thomas Mallory’s version, which was written in the 15th Century, when Chivalry reached its height as a social/ legal system of conduct.
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@Gorbachev
Same thing in China. Women are strong or stronger than men. They try to break every guy. The more you resist, there is always a chance you’ll “lose”. But in reality, the ones you “lose” are not the ones you want anyway.
Women here want men….real men. Despite what they say about a “nice man”. I tried an experiment. I met a 6…gamed and fucked her hard. Every which way.
Then I didn’t call her for like 6 months. I get in contact on IM…and chatted. Started ‘online game’.
Immediately after chit chat, SHE initiated the sex talk.
The ASD came up…not that kind of girl etc etc. So I asked “What kind of guy do you want?”
Her: “Nice man….”
Me: Oh, that rules me out…I”m not a nice man.
Her: Changing subject…”When are you free?”
So guys, don’t be fooled by any of that feminist propaganda about “being a nice guy”…. They say that…but it’s a control thing.
Nice= pushover=loser= next in Chinese girl’s parlance.
Better to be an asshole. They’ll come around eventually in their own way, rationalizing all the way of course.
I never would have believed any of this stuff had I not practiced game myself.
Chivalry is a fantasy…and it’s about contrast. If you can be an asshole, then chivalrous, the first response would be “Wow…what happened?” That I’ve heard here too.
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@sdaedalus
sdae: Strength of character can be hard to find though. WW: Yes-Perhaps that’s why Cougars exist…what a younger man lacks in maturity might be made up for in his not being sold out to the system and circle of debt you mentioned yet. Debt, loose women, drugs/alcohol and working in a cube too many years ruins good men…Although my father had none of those problems….probably why he and my mom adored each other until the day he died. My dad was 8 years older…different generation though.
sdae: Genuine kindness (as opposed to the fake kind assumed purely to get advantage in life) coupled with strength of character is an asset not a liability.
WW: You said it so much better than I did..and with greater brevity.
sdae: Yeats wrote a poem about a White Woman once, is this where it comes from?
WW: I chose my name because it describes me and because of my love for the beautiful European people and culture I belong too. Too much White people bashing going on these days. I like the poem though.
sdae: Where’s the interview with you and GBFM?
Doug1 agrees with me! I love when intelligent men agree with me.
walawala…what an idiot that woman and women like her are! When young men could be making a life for themselves, they are dabbling with shallow fools like her. Some of the dabblers might have even made good husbands and fathers but instead are ruining themselves, emotionally (can’t form long lasting attachments), spiritually (God’s judgment) and sometimes physically(STDs). Not to mention what she’s doing to herself and her fellow women. How can people be so careless of each other? After all, you are being soooo intimate with this person. How is it men and women are so detached from the human beings they spend their their time and life on?
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OOOO look, a rating system. Very cool. Come on guys…give me some rating love.
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This Beta drivel is not value added….
Read these released stats on the fact that 25% of Under 25 population is unemployed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a8f9A4GYLECE&pos=14#
That means 25% of under 25 men (Prime competition) are NOW waiters making ZERO
That means 25% of under 25 women (Prime pussy) is making zero, dumping her under 25 zero $ making man, and seeking MEN mking money!
This asymetry in the dating market has not occured other than in War, famine, and plagues.
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity; occurs every 50 yrs.
debating herbs/ betas while this Pussy flood is taking place is insanity.
Check out dating sites, go to any college campus with nice clothes on, rent a sports car, or just flash some c-notes.
Guys putting pics of their Corvette Hertz rental and some beacj pics are scoring 15 dates a month, and 2 lays on any dating site.
Turn off your laptop and get some pussy folks.
The data does not lie.
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@ Badger Nation
I never said that alphas were synonymous with money.
And I never said that money made someone an alpha.
My point was that once Honda Civic man becomes Mr. Mercedes, he’ll have more options, and will be enticed to trade up. The golddigger won’t be able to find an alpha once her body’s quit on her and she’s stuck with 2.5 kids. She’s finished. Mr. Mercedes, on the other hand, can jump right back in the game and pick up a nice 31 year old. That’s a HUGE advantage that men enjoy. It’s more common for a man to get divorced and find another spouse than for a woman.
And I don’t think women are into changing losers/betas. They may try to make a cheater faithful. Or transform a badboy into a saint. Those present challenges.
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@ Thor
“The man who dumps the lover, if indeed she is a wife,
still gets to pay for her. And he is typically reluctant
to trade up (contrary to popular fiction) unless
either
a) His status has gone WAYYYY up”
Badger Nation used an example of a guy who was upgraded. He went from Civic Man to Mr. Mercedes. Why would he reluctant to trade up (whether it means a hot mistress or a new wife)?
For evidence of this, look no further than Dwyane Wade. Once he made it to the NBA, it took him about 2 years to kick his wife to the curb for a much better looking Gabrielle Union. Lil’ Wayne dumped his girl for Lauren London. Given the chance, a man will almost always upgrade.
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@White Woman
Where’s the interview with you and GBFM?
I was too stoopid to ask the right questions. Also, GBFM is impervious to flirtation. You can read the aborted interview here in the comments section of his blog (the shame, the shame):
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/%e2%80%9cto-propose-to-a-owman-is-to-give-someone-a-diamond-who-so-many-others-had-when-she-was-younger-hotter-tighter-tighter-hotter-younger-for-free%e2%80%9d-lzozlz/
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I just had a WTF moment
The blog is titled “The Art of Manliness”
The post is about what to bring on a date.
Beta fail.
http://artofmanliness.com/2010/05/19/what-to-carry-on-a-first-date-the-gentlemans-arsenal/
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I have no problem with the length of your post WhiteWoman. I realize that “needy” men may be confused with people who are actually being nice. My issue is with women who want something from men they dislike.
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