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Reader Mailbag: Flakes, Snakes and Alpha Male Tales

May 20, 2010 by CH

Email #1:

I am currently seeing a girl who I like to invite over to my place to have some fun.

She often follows through, but at the last minute she flakes or attempts to make changes to my plans. Recently, she’s done this 3 days in a row.

I don’t get angry, but I don’t budge when she asks me, for example, to go out of my way to meet her downtown to hang out with her and her gay friend at the last fucking minute.

I told her that I couldn’t make it, and that I needed two weeks’ notice before we changed any plans from here on out.

At this point, I’m going to be super lazy at responding to her texts.

What do I do to straighten this thing out?

Ed

What we know: Girls flake when your alpha gravity pull is weak. She’s keeping her options open. Think of flaking as a whoreschach test of your mettle — the more you acquiesce to her flakiness, or seem to tolerate it, the more beta you appear. She’s flaked on you three days in a row? This means you attempted to set something up repeatedly in the teeth of three straight disses of your masculinity. Rat-a-tat, alpha down flat! Remember, your time is always worth more than her time. Why behave as if just the opposite is the working premise?

As for not meeting her downtown with her BGBF, well, that’s the minimum threshold of expected spine-stiffened behavior. Don’t pat yourself on the back too hard.

Here’s what I recommend: Stop trying to make plans with her. That should be step number one. It sounds like she’s still texting you out of the blue, so that means she wants to keep you active in her pool of prospects. How does it feel being a third stringer to a disrespectful ego-inflated bitch? Not very alpha, eh? Good. Now take that feeling and turn it into beneficial asshole game. Don’t respond to her texts for a week. When you do respond, keep it short and serrated:

“Hey blabby girl, gotta go. talk later.”

Of course you won’t be talking later. Wait another week. Ignore any of her texts in the interim. After that (if she’s still texting), text her back with this (ignoring whatever was the substance of her text):

“Drinks at 8 at X. Be there by yourself. yr buying 1st round.”

If she balks, don’t reply. Think of this as the textual equivalent of a backturn. Write her off, or, if you’re a particularly cheeky sort of fellow, fuck around with her everytime she texts in the future:

“Still texting? Come over. I got a new couch I want to fuck you on”

“You’re annoying”

“Stop wasting my text plan”

“gay”

“titty fucking. love it or hate it?”

***

Email #2:

I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand. Her during sex two weeks ago: “If you hit me this time use your left hand, the left side of my face hurts from last time.” I’m still flirting with other girls near her, etc.

Two days ago she tells me that a guy that used to be really mean to her when they worked together emailed her out of the blue (apparently they never hooked up) . He said when they worked together three years ago he actually liked her. She wanted to know what she should write back. My antenna tingled. I played it cool and insinuated he was a weirdo but she still wrote him back a short message.

She didn’t say anything else about it. Last night we were at a bar and she was blowing up with texts. I checked her phone and it was the guy. He isn’t very slick, but since she seems to be eating it up, I’m concerned. He is already hinting he’ll come visit her this summer (we’re going to be in separate cities). I’d like to squash this, any suggestions for my next move?

Other facts: This guy is 2,000 miles away now so they haven’t done anything yet. She is leaving in a week and will be gone for the summer. Right now, she doesn’t know that I know this guy been texting her.

ST

Sounds like you’ve got an ingenue on your hands. This type of girl will coordinate the attentions of multiple men in order to ensure she gets access to the maximum amount of resources. Think Carla Bruni. (Until recently, that is. Poor Carla has hit the wall badly, so she will no longer be playing her game of roll out the cock carpet.) When a girl starts waxing soap operatically to you about some random dude out of the blue, it means one of two things — she’s coaxing a jealous reaction out of you so you’ll give her more attention and love, or she’s musing about cheating and/or leaving you and her inner thoughts are tumbling out of her like a burp from a colicky baby.

First, this was a moment when you shouldn’t have played it cool. A bit of the ol’ ultrabadass would have done more good. No girl I’m dating for a year is going to get my permission, either directly or indirectly, to email an interloping male admirer. The way to answer your girlfriend’s head games is with the dread of loss:

“Hey, great idea, you email your hard-up stalker, and I’ll email my ex-girlfriend. Sound like a plan?”

She’ll get the idea.

Unfortunately, she emailed him, and the result was an extended textplay. (If you remind yourself that wordplay to women is like a handjob to men, you’ll be a little less tolerant of your girlfriend’s phone blowing up with texts from another man.) What were you expecting? Girls live for this sort of multi-headed male attention. Your operating assumption from this point forward should be that she will cheat with him if they ever get together. And that she is completely untrustworthy. You may want to run the Door Pattern on her before she leaves on her trip. I wouldn’t confront her about the texts, as this will only make you appear a jealous low-value lover. I’d just insinuate that the upcoming time apart would mean a lot of exhilarating freedom for the two of you, and that any funny stuff that you find out about means you are out the door for good.

~~~

ST emailed me a followup a few days later, after I had already written my reply to his first email above:

Well R, it looks like this is definitely over. She sent him an eight paragraph email. I had four words, “I’m kinda
seeing someone.” Then there was an entire paragraph about meeting up after she leaves for the summer. She’s been extra careful about her phone and now never leaves it around. But strangely she is acting sweeter toward me than ever. I’ve never had so much PDA and baked goods, what’s up with that?

It hasn’t happened yet, but it’s like seeing a wrecking ball arc toward a building: there is time before it happens, but it will definitely happen.

In any case, any ideas for a good way to break this off with a bang?

Me: “Your operating assumption from this point forward should be that she will cheat with him if they ever get together. And that she is completely untrustworthy.”

Called it. Am I good or what?

I’m not surprised that she is piling on the PDA and feminine sweetness now that her gig is about to blow up. I wrote about this phenomenon in this post about a girl whose best fuck I had with her occurred the day before we broke up.

The afternoon before the breakup we had the best sex ever.  She orgasmed freely.  There is something about breakup sex that brings out the animal in women.  Perhaps it is the only time they can completely sever their emotions from sex and just let their vaginas take over with a man they trust.  Or maybe it’s a last hurrah.  I felt used for my body.

I’ll add that guilt can drive a woman to feminine accommodation of the man she has cheated on, or is thinking of cheating on. Particularly if she has had second thoughts and decided that you are a higher value male than the long distance lover. Anyhow, the way I would initiate breakup sequence is with maximum pain and humiliation inflicted. By that I mean, get caught fucking another girl. When your beloved lashes out in fury and anguish, calmly reply:

“I thought you were OK with this. After all, this chick isn’t the only whore I’m fucking.”

***

Email #3:

Hey…..I’ve been a long time reader of yours and wanted to ask a quick q. – I apologize if you have addressed this issue already…I just couldn’t locate the relevant post. Anyhoo here goes:

When a girl you are flirting with mentions/boasts about previous erotic encounters with alphas  e.g “And then I met this total hottie in Paris who blew my mind” or “This reminds me of that argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once”, how is one supposed to respond? Should it be completely ignored or should one maybe try to counterattack by casually mentioning real or even fictitious encounters with hot girls?

Thanks for your time

D

Classic beta bait. Subconsciously, this is one ploy that a girl will use to take the measure of your manhood. If you show any indignation, hurt, or jealousy, you fail. If you attempt to counterattack with your own hot lover tale, you risk looking try-hard. The way to handle these “alpha male ex machina” (AMEM) shit tests is either through humor or disregard.

“And then I met this total hottie in Paris who blew my mind…”

“You slept with a gay man? Damn, must’ve been a helluva dry spell.”

—

“This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once…”

“Wow, I’ve gotta poop.”

—

“This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once…”

“Use em and lose em, that’s my motto too!”

—

You could parry the AMEM with an AFEM of your own, as long as you do it right. For example:

“This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once…”

“Hey, if we’re gonna trade sex stories from our past, I’ve got a really good one for you. So there was this cute girl and her mom, and a camera hidden in the closet behind a peephole…”

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  1. on May 20, 2010 at 12:24 pm EastPole

    “I’ve got to Poop”
    Gold. Nice operant conditioning. She mentions steamy exes, you bring up steamy bowel movements.
    Nothing sucks the air out of a female occupied room faster than poop talk.

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  2. on May 20, 2010 at 12:25 pm EastPole

    Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down for comments? This is new… Curious as to how this will affect GBFM.
    Lozlzlzl, heh.

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  3. on May 20, 2010 at 12:27 pm greatbooksformen

    OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!

    You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz

    “I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”

    OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh

    THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!

    OUT!

    O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl

    OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?

    sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl

    and she made you think of another cock

    fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?

    hey roissy yo!! let’s teach these douches somethin ’bout nbein a man yo!

    throw a beat over this way.
    yo yo yo yo
    yo yo yo

    now hit it!

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
    over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
    letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
    then you blame the betas in school
    and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
    jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
    stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
    neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
    even after menopause and no need for da ragz
    telling young chickas to lust after vampires
    as they build their fiat empires

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
    let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
    theft in fiat inflation is hid
    as they swing their bankrupting axe
    i don’t care what last night u did,
    ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

    as they promote butthex across the land
    ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
    as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
    the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

    but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
    it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
    as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
    teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
    you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
    and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
    stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

    and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
    teacxhing women to lust after the undead
    as the neocons suck the western world dry
    bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
    while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
    cry cry cry
    cry cry cry
    not for you or me
    but for themselves
    not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
    but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
    so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
    but he left her dry
    so whe butthexed with the asshole
    and now see her cry
    and wonder why
    and transofrm the entire univeristy
    into a program to further the fiat lie
    to transfer wealth and wage war and death
    to about fifty million more
    and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
    and not a whore

    all together now!

    lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
    lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
    lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink
    alreayd seen yer pink stink
    bent ya over the sink

    and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
    because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.

    all together now!

    lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
    lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
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  4. on May 20, 2010 at 12:28 pm Gorbachev

    Roissy,

    Anyhow, the way I would initiate breakup sequence is with maximum pain and humiliation inflicted. By that I mean, get caught fucking another girl. When your beloved lashes out in fury and anguish, calmly reply:

    “I thought you were OK with this. After all, this chick isn’t the only whore I’m fucking.”

    You’re fucking nuclear.

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  5. on May 20, 2010 at 12:30 pm greatbooksformen

    EastPole:

    “Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down for comments? This is new… Curious as to how this will affect GBFM.
    Lozlzlzl, heh.”

    I imagine i ill get voted up so high i will land book deal from tucker max’s ny necon womenz publisher who supports and encrouages secretive tapings of butthex without the girls consent while the weekly standard repeates tucker max’s lies about his heigh t and success lozlzlzlozol as neocons use butthexers to debaiuch and control teh world and desoul womez lzozlzlz

    lzozlzlzlzl!!!

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  6. on May 20, 2010 at 12:36 pm ABS

    Something along the same lines:

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  7. on May 20, 2010 at 12:36 pm StrikeforceMorituri

    Any woman that starts to casually bring up another guy, that she either supposedly super hates or hasnt heard from in a while always gets my spider sense tingling, I never really used to do anything about it because I didn’t know any better, but now whenever I hear the thinly veiled subconcious words coming out if their mouth I just put them on a countdown until they find me with another girl. If I were the second guy I would indeed be pulling the fear of loss in the girl. I’ve done it multiple times and nine times out of ten it always works. But I think the question remains do you really give a shit?

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  8. on May 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm greatbooksformen

    omg i swear 2 god

    one time a chick was sitting on my couch on a first date and she said she broke up with her last bf because his cock was 2 big.

    so whaddyah i say.

    “OMG! We’re gonna work out great!”

    or

    “Oh sorry to hear that we’re never gonna happen either.”

    or

    “WTF are you sitting on my couch talkin about other dude’s cocks ya skank ass lzozlzlzlzlzllz. You’re only allowed to talk about other dude’s cocks in my home after you’ve suck mine lzozlzl.”

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  9. on May 20, 2010 at 12:41 pm The Truth

    Good responses by Roissy. A great frame to have is never take anything she says seriously. Who the fuck cares what the little ho says anyway? If you adopt this, you can handle all scenarios easily.

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  10. on May 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm Riff Dog

    If a girl starts off on a story about some guy in Paris or something that clearly should be girlfriend talk, then I’ll put my hand on her forearm, open my eyes wide, and in my best gay voice, say, “Do tell!”

    It’s the smirk afterwards that makes the point.

    The risk, of course, is you never want to drift into Gayville early on in meeting a girl, but I’m pretty obviously not gay, so I think it’s worth it.

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  11. on May 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm Andrew. S

    Is there a different response for average looking, or below average looking women when they start bragging about the hottie who did the pump and dump tango with them? I’m always tempted to laugh and say, “yeah, and I’m sure he still tries to keep in touch with you.” Is this appropriate for 5’s and 6’s or is it just to beta.

    I think I already know the answer, but they already have damaged self-esteem from not being able to snag the alpha,cept for the occasional fling or one night stand, and I was thinking at the very least I could make them feel even shittier about themselves.

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  12. on May 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm Terry

    Great Books For Men is a blessing. His comments are hilarious and if you get past all the lozlzzozlzz and crazy, hes pretty dead on. Always a thumbs up from me bro! lozzlozlzolzlzozzlzlzlzozlzolzo

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  13. on May 20, 2010 at 12:51 pm Gorbachev

    Roissy,
    The way to handle these “alpha male ex machina” (AMEM) shit tests is either through humor or disregard.
    …
    You could parry the AMEM with an AFEM of your own, as long as you do it right. For example:

    “This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once…”

    “Hey, if we’re gonna trade sex stories from our past, I’ve got a really good one for you. So there was this cute girl and her mom, and a camera hidden in the closet behind a peephole…”

    I have to disagree here. Not the best way to handle it.

    Best way: Agree. Properly. And do it without obviously seeming mean or countering.

    Use greater force against itself.

    “Yeah, Argentinians are hot. I know what you mean. It’s hard to forget an Argentinian woman. Especially dancers.” Add a wistful sigh. Very subtly redirect physical attention for a moment; let your hand hesitate or pause, tension in your body relax very slightly, like remorse.

    Deliver a story that negs her. She can’t object: you’re agreeing with her. How can she object to that? And she just delivered her own punch, so she can hardly object to you doing it.

    (Resistance? “Oh, well, you know. Argentinian tango dancers. Who can top that?”)

    Absorb the punch to your ego. Redeliver, but as if you’re a good guy sharing her camaraderie.

    Punch to her ego is 20x yours.

    It’s especially good if delivered in an intimate moment. Call that the surprise detonation.

    The subtle, microsecond withdrawal or distraction of physical attention hits her like a brick, but you have total plausible deniability.

    Be like Israel. You punch me, I blow up your house.

    1) HUMOUR: Okay, but might be contrived.
    2) Disregard: Good, but weak.

    Instead:
    3) Agree; In fact counter and neg in at the same time. Calculate for maximum ego damage.

    Want to ramp it up?

    Proceed as if nothing happened, but be 2-3% less interested. Drags out effect of comment as long as possible.

    Result: You seem completely unperturbed. Inside, she’s deeply insecure and injured.

    This works especially well when the woman is much hotter than you.

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  14. on May 20, 2010 at 12:53 pm Andrew. S

    I meant to say even shittier about themselves so I could then go in for the kill.

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  15. on May 20, 2010 at 12:55 pm The G Manifesto

    “This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once…”

    Just ignore.

    If a girl says something like that to me I usually respond with something like:

    “Are the bathrooms here good to do Coke in?”

    – MPM

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  16. on May 20, 2010 at 12:59 pm Dilbert Hole

    all together now!

    lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
    lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
    lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

    Strong!

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  17. on May 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm Gorbachev

    @AndrewS
    Andrew. S
    Is there a different response for average looking, or below average looking women when they start bragging about the hottie who did the pump and dump tango with them? I’m always tempted to laugh and say, “yeah, and I’m sure he still tries to keep in touch with you.” Is this appropriate for 5′s and 6′s or is it just to beta.
    I think I already know the answer, but they already have damaged self-esteem from not being able to snag the alpha,cept for the occasional fling or one night stand, and I was thinking at the very least I could make them feel even shittier about themselves.

    Hm. This is just waay too beta. You’re responding to her crap. And it’s just crap. Why are you rising to her bait?

    Never fall for a woman’s bait unless you’re redirecting it back at her with more force. Super subletly is always key. Makes you seem like a mensch and her like a douche.

    Be disinterested. They banged a big hot alpha? Big deal. You banged 3x as many hot women, all of them way hotter than her. You’re with her on sufferance. Even if the guy was hotter than you – the last girl you were with was much hotter than her.

    If she repeats, look at her like she’s a child trying to impress her teacher. Sad and pathetic.

    If you do it from experience, so much the better.

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  18. on May 20, 2010 at 1:07 pm greatbooksformen

    omg r should replace the thumbs up thumbs down votes on my comments

    it should be replaced with

    are you an alpha? thumbs up
    are yhou a beta or chick with a dick? thumbs down

    one thing about the internet is that it attaracts a lotta loooozer betas living tin their single mom’s basements who were drugged up on ritalin and dumbed down in the public schools and made to play GTA which teaches tyhem to accept murder and theft while the game offers no way to play for truth and justice lzozlzl.

    anyway these single mom basement dwellers h8 manhood and real men and they just want to mash buttonz and pirate movies and lzozllzozzlzol all over themselves fanatzing of meghan fox who isn’t even that hot but only in a beta slutty way lzozlzlzlzllz

    wo if you wanna know who is voting down my posts it will be chciks with dicks and loser betas dumbed down and drugged uyp by ben bernanke and their single moms lozlzlzlzl

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  19. on May 20, 2010 at 1:11 pm Andrew. S

    Thanks Gorbachev. When plain jane starts bragging about her sexual conquests the angry beta in me wants to explode with nothing but nasty insults. The problem like you and roissy say is it makes you look weak, even when you’re dealing with depressingly average women.

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  20. on May 20, 2010 at 1:20 pm Cannon's Canon

    ABS,

    necro is a fiat banker.

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  21. on May 20, 2010 at 1:20 pm kaikou

    @ Riff Dog

    If a guy ever grabbed my arm and preceded with gay sarcasm. He is done. It’s not attractive or funny. I would be sure to tell all my friends.

    Roissy’s replies are the best. Witty. Very witty.

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  22. on May 20, 2010 at 1:21 pm JB

    “Sounds like you’ve got an ingenue on your hands.”

    This post gave me an opportunity to reread Roissy’s “fatale” types.

    Uncannily accurate in my experience, with one minor elaboration: the physical traits of “amazonian alphas” are less essential than the personality traits. An amazonian alpha may be 5 feet nothing and still act as if she were a 6 1/2 foot alpha male. The part about daddy (and often older brother) worship is right on the money as is the stubborn bullheadedness, bitchiness and nearly constant baiting of aggression.

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  23. on May 20, 2010 at 1:24 pm Rollo Tomassi

    wordplay to women is like a handjob to men

    Brilliant.

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  24. on May 20, 2010 at 1:24 pm Gorbachev

    Generally, obviously lashing out at women is beta or just douchey.

    In initial contacts, it can be useful to show your lack of interest. As you develop rapport, you can still neg, but be careful: a neg as a response to a neg directed at you can sometimes backfire.

    If you’re seen as reacting out of damage to your ego, you lose points. You’re not supposed to respond to their shit. Your ego isn’t so much made of steel, as much as it’s above all of this.

    The best kind of dog training doesn’t use shock collars. When the dog jumps up, just ignore it. When it acts out, just ignore it. When it does something good – reward it.

    Reward her good behaviour with your attention. Ignore her shit.

    You have to be above it. You’re not Higher Beta. You’re Alpha.

    Alphas don’t give a shit what crap a woman throws out. A woman’s negative opinion is as relevant to you as pussy to a gay man in SF on Pride Day.

    If you do it, lashing out is best delivered in full frame, with absolute certainty of your own superiority, and in a subtle enough manner as to make it seem like you’re just stating the obvious. You’re a Man. At best these cavorting women are childlike and need a strong hand.*

    You need to be super-cool about it. Your statements are statements of the obvious – you make them because you’re patient with flakey chicks.

    You’re above it. You are, when push comes to shove, superior.

    Superior men don’t need to shore themselves up against the assaults of something as obviously irrelevant as a woman’s flighty musings. They’re amusing, principally because they’re irrelevant and silly. Be amused. But don’t give a shit.

    Better yet: When another woman comes up and says something, see to it that you seem slightly more interested in whatever garbage she spews out. She’s not your chosen target. Effects with her are irrelevant. Your target will notice.

    A wing woman works wonders when working this.

    * This is especially effective with feminists of any stripe.

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  25. on May 20, 2010 at 1:25 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    “her inner thoughts are tumbling out of her like a burp from a colicky baby.”

    hahaha it’s just like that.

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  26. on May 20, 2010 at 1:29 pm Polymath

    Email #1 guy: I’ve elaborated on this in previous — flakers need to be dealt with firmly, early. Say at the begining of the next date, with a not-completely-serious smirk “I’m expecting twice as much of you tonight, to make up for last time”. Or, say at the end of that date, “That was fun. Giving you another chance was the right decision.”

    Email #2 guy: Hoo boy. You should simply dump her immediately, don’t bother telling her why. Just say “I know you’re not serious about me, so I’m going to cut my losses.” Don’t involve another girl in your revenge, she’ll feel justified then in considering you unworthy of fidelity.

    Email #3 guy: GBFM said it best in his original riff on this concept (the version on this thread is longer and less poetic). But this is a girl you are flirting with, not a girl you are already involved with. She has signaled sluttiness, so you treat her as a complete slut from then on (don’t expect a LTR but if you were looking for just sex go right ahead, even more aggressively). Interestingly, even if she is good LTR material who was just shitting you, that is still the correct response.

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  27. on May 20, 2010 at 1:30 pm The Rookie

    I like the first guy talking about watchin the wrecking ball head towards the building. I hope he has still been hitting on fresh meat. The time to start is yesterday.

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  28. on May 20, 2010 at 1:35 pm Polymath

    WTF? The little thumbsup-thumbsdown clickies just disappeared. A very short-lived experiment?

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  29. on May 20, 2010 at 1:36 pm greatbooksformen

    and u knwo what the funny thing is about what i wrote above???

    “You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz”

    after they pay for her drinks and dinner, she WONT WANT THEM 2 GIZALIZZALZIZIZI ALL OVER HER!!

    SHE’LL WANT U TO GIZALIZ ALL OVER HER BECAUSE U LEFT HER COLD AND TOOK OFF!!

    she will text you after all her drinks are paid 4 by other cuckholded cokless douches and say, “WTF?”

    lzozllzlzlzl

    and then you can text her back:

    “WTFW?” which means WHAT THE FUCK WHAT?

    i means she acts like a bitch whore texting other people while you’;re paying for her time and she knows it so after that text she’ll text u

    “I NEED 2 C U.”

    text back

    “lzozlzllzlz u mispelled u it is spelled c-o-c-k.”

    she will think about this and text back lozlzlzlzl

    and then you can drive over and pump and dump her but the thing is not that night as after you took off from dinner you texted five other chicks who the EXACT SMAE THING HAD HAPPENED with over the last six months, and they all text back and you’re pullin’ up at one their homes at midnight and she just told her date she had a headache after filling up on gourmet fish and wine from his wallet . lzozlzlz. in the same way bernanke bails out the banks that pump and dump the people, girls bail out the men that pump and dump them while robbing teh honest fellas, which is why the neocons fund teh desouling, butthexing feminist movement.

    zlozzllzlzlz

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  30. on May 20, 2010 at 1:36 pm game_in_bk

    http://community.feministing.com/2009/04/power-gained-via-strap-on-sex.html

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  31. on May 20, 2010 at 1:43 pm Salut

    Rat-a-tat, alpha down flat!

    love it.

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  32. on May 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    This reminds me of that argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once”, how is one supposed to respond?

    Just whip your dick out and say “show me”.

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  33. on May 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm Gorbachev

    For email questions.

    Despite what PUAs may argue, there’s no one good response. The point is frame.

    Have the right frame, project attitude. Own it. It’s yours. The room belongs to you. You don’t need to prove it.

    In almost every situation, you need to modify – sometimes transmogrify – pat responses to PUA responses.

    Different women (with different levels of intelligence or insecurity) will sometimes respond completely differently.

    A well-executed routine will land a 5-6 a sexy 7 all the time. Do it enough and it almost gets boring.

    The true art of the PU is doing it and not seeming like a PUA at all. They can’t even smell a routine. That will consistently land a 5-6 an 8. It sometimes even catches a 9.*

    * – weird, how 9s caught this way – if you can get past the post – tend to stick around longer and be easier to handle.

    Don’t necessarily learn the response. Learn why it’s done. Go back to basic principles and never forget them.

    Use routines like general attack plans in war. Strategists come up with great plans. Invariably, tacticians have to redesign them on the fly in the field as the situation changes moment to moment. The battlefield fucks up the best routines all the time.

    Keep the spirit and the targets of the routines, but the actual routines most often have to be chucked. The underlying attitude and assurance is waay more important than any specific response. You always fall back on it.

    The Reason: half the time, your routines or strategies flail out and aren’t useful. If you keep the spirit of the routine as your fallback, your frame, then whatever response you have will always be a match for the situation.

    Know it and own it. Use routines as examples to train yourself not to fuck up in any situation.

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  34. on May 20, 2010 at 1:49 pm Polymath

    Now they’re back. Must be a browser issue.

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  35. on May 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm Confidunce

    When she talks about former lovers, the key is that you don’t give a shit. Try:

    *Gasp!* I thought I was your first. (Point at her plate.) Are you gonÑa eat that?

    Message: when you talk about other dudes, I get bored with you.

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  36. on May 20, 2010 at 2:01 pm jj

    The second email is a dead ringer of what happened to me(28). My girlfriend(27) started textin her ex out of the blue and even lied to me to hang out with him one weekend 5 months ago, I’ll admit, I was beta and took her back but she kept lying about textin him until I got fed up a few months ago and started sexing another girl (21). Not only does she know about the 21 year old I really thinks she gets turned on by it because ever since the new girl came into the picture, the girlfriend has been hornier than ever! She’s jealous, begs me not to talk to the new girl anymore but I told her that wasn’t going to happen. Its funny how girls straighten the fuuuck up when you A. Stop chasin them/B. Start sleepin with a hotter, younger woman.

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  37. on May 20, 2010 at 2:05 pm Sidewinder

    I am a fiat banker looking for effective ways to film women having butthex without their consent. Can anyone refer me to someone who might be able to help?

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  38. on May 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm Jay

    The first two responses are on the ball!

    However, that door routine seems terribly fake, cheap, and slimy. The fuck is that shit?

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  39. on May 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm jkc

    ohhhh, lozozzl

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  40. on May 20, 2010 at 2:27 pm Willy Wonka

    Good shit, Roissy.

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  41. on May 20, 2010 at 2:32 pm greatbooksformen

    “Sidewinder

    I am a fiat banker looking for effective ways to film women having butthex without their consent. Can anyone refer me to someone who might be able to help?”

    ^^^^

    omg you should check out tucker max’s book which the neocons promote tucker max in the pages of tehir weekly standard as he butthexes womenz and tapes it without their consent lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzl. and womenz at major publishing houses like simon and schuster wire him fiat cash and give him big book deals while neocons womens dutifully repeat their butthexing lord and matser’s lies in teh weekly standard as he lies about his height and they print those lies lzozlzlzlllzz

    anything backed by a fiat currency soon turns into its opposite.

    for isntance, today’s chucrch backed by fiat generally attracts satan-serving womenz who roll in when they hit 32 and then demand that all the betas in the pews pay for their bastard satan spawn chirldren zlzozlzlzll and they write atlantic monthly articles about how there are no good men left in the hookup culture lzozllzlzlz you know my famous cartoon roissy drew with the chick with cocks in her mount and in her anus and udes gizzin on her looking out of the cartoon at we the viewer, with her hand wrapped around the giant cock (could be mine! lozlzzl) next to her mouth, asking us all doe eyed, “why are there no good men left?” as three oteh rmen splooge on her tattoos and tramp stamps lzozlzllzllzlzlzlz omge lzozlzl

    note how the rpeublicans, backed by a fiat currency, turn into neocons promoting butthexers and liars and douchebags and war and teh welfare states

    note how the democrats, backed by a fiat currncy, turn into corporate-bailing out, war-mongering fiat monsters lzozlzlzl turn into neocons promoting butthexers and liars and douchebags and war and teh welfare states

    note how women backed by a fiat currency turn into soulless welth-transferring beatses instead of goddesses and motehrs

    note how men, backed a fiat currency, turn into button-mkashing, ritaln adderoll drugged up dumbed down fanboyz mashing buttons in tehir single mom’s basements lzozlzllz

    note how teh univeristy, backed by a fiat currency, turns into a soulless cesspool whose cheif aim is 2 destory the great books and knoweldge and the moral sense and civility and truth and beauty lzolzlzlzlz, all to transfer wealth and pjhysical property up to those who create naught but debt as the debt trickles on down enslaving all lzozlzllz

    and who wins?

    ben bernanke and goldman sachs and tcucker max

    yo yo yo give me a beat

    ben bernanke and goldman sax
    and neconon butthexing tucker max
    sending our young alphas 2 die in foreign wars
    to spread golmdman sax/tucker max butthhex on foreign shores
    destoryed the family in teh usa
    took womenz outta the homes
    killed fetuses & civilians dead ’tis a great day
    as they create war in the homes war in the world
    debuaching deconstructing destabalizing
    ujntil every act of god and great men is unfuled
    lozlzlzozlz zlzozlzllz lzozlzlzl lzozlzlzing
    as they create nothing but fiat debt
    and train women to convert fiat debt into physical wealth,
    to transfer it up from honest men, you bet,
    blaming the betas for the chicx sore anaus health.
    as tehir infinite debt trickes down
    tehir debt trickles down enslaving us all
    while upon my grammar, charlotte allen does frown
    tsk tsk tsk “that’s not how you spell butthex at all!”
    as tyhey finance and reward tucker max 2 tape anal in secret
    without the girl’s consent
    as for vampires and werewolves they tell girl s2 get wet
    telling them vanmpires butthexers are heaven sent
    as they bail out al the butthexing bankers pumping adn dumping the common man
    as they wire fiat cash to the butthexing tucker maxes pumping and dumping chix
    as they wire fiat cash to train women to transfer welth to their hands
    as they bankrupt the world with porn and war and anus seeking dicks

    lzozo

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  42. on May 20, 2010 at 2:49 pm Cannon's Canon

    hearing ‘goldman sachs’ rhymed with ‘tucker max’ is the Pièce
    de Résistance of my day

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  43. on May 20, 2010 at 2:55 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^ ya well both goldman sax and tucker max are financed and funded and promoted by the neocon apparatus their presses and magazines 2 butthex the innocent and metaphiorically film it without the innocents’ consent lzozozlzlzozlzl

    but in real life both are epic failures

    take the fiat debt away and the dipfuck womenz who publish, finance, and promote it all with bernanke’s/neocon fiat dollars and it all fades away 2 nuaght

    all in all both tucker max and goldamn sachs and ben bernanke have created far more debt than welath as tucker max lost around $10,000,000 on a $12,000,000 budget on his crappy assed film which neocon charlotte allen dutifully labeled tucker max as asuccessful filmmaker just as ben bernanke was made time magaizne ‘s person of teh year an dteh weekly standard printed tucker max’s lies about his heiaght zlzolzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz

    i can’t beleiev so many do not see this lzozlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlz

    if you want you can go 2 a doctor’s office and sit there and go

    zlzozllz
    z
    zzlzolzlz
    z
    zlzozlzlzl omg zlozozlzlz

    and teh doctor will preseribe you ritalin

    and then u will see more clearly i bet and now and then it is good to come out and ascend from your single mom’s basement into teh light just like that dude form book 7 of plato’s republic who ascends form teh cave which the matrix ripped off teh metaphor buyt i like neo and keanau reeves was agood neo because neo was a boring geek and that is kenaou who acts as well as a cardboard box lzozlzl

    lzozlzlzlz

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  44. on May 20, 2010 at 2:57 pm The Real Vince

    Riff Dog:

    If a girl starts off on a story about some guy in Paris or something that clearly should be girlfriend talk, then I’ll put my hand on her forearm, open my eyes wide, and in my best gay voice, say, “Do tell!”

    Once classified as bullshit girltalk I mock her by putting my elbows on the table, and resting my chin atop interlaced fingers, “Really?!?” This is actually a move Jon Stewart uses when mocking a cutesy cable news fluff.

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  45. on May 20, 2010 at 3:05 pm dragnet

    “ben bernanke and goldman sax
    and neconon butthexing tucker max
    sending our young alphas 2 die in foreign wars
    to spread golmdman sax/tucker max butthhex on foreign shores”

    Brilliant. Utterly brilliant. I almost laughed up ginger ale through my nose.

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  46. on May 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm Heartless

    Anytime a girl has ever tried to use the stories about sex with an ex, I’ve just ignored it. Why even let her stroke her ego, or the ego of some ex-dick?

    Take her home, and fuck the shit out of her. Make her forget about all the other dick in the past.

    And come on guys, never allow another dick into the picture. That is just asking for problems. My ex used to “hang out” with her exes, and said I shouldn’t have a problem with that. Fuck that.

    My friend plays by the “treat a girl as you want to be treated” motto. I play by the “treat a girl as they deserve to be treated”, if she is going to be a filthy cunt, treat her like one.

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  47. on May 20, 2010 at 3:10 pm batman

    Polymath, you wrote:

    Email #1 guy: I’ve elaborated on this in previous — flakers need to be dealt with firmly, early. Say at the begining of the next date, with a not-completely-serious smirk “I’m expecting twice as much of you tonight, to make up for last time”. Or, say at the end of that date, “That was fun. Giving you another chance was the right decision.”

    How would one get to the actual date though if there is flaking? Thanks.

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  48. on May 20, 2010 at 3:10 pm walawala

    I’m just working through situation number one that I let go longer than it should have.

    Girl I had been gaming flaked on an evening we had planned by being “sick” day of…never attempted to make it up, didn’t think she had to…figured it was like “work” where being sick gave you license to get away scot free.

    I didn’t go hard as we had not yet gone out at that time….big mistake.

    After first flake, another series of shit tests, then slow withdrawl….I withdrew…finally it got to the point where she cut contact and I re-framed with a text exchange saying “you’re like most ever other girl in this city. Zero effort. You lost me.”

    Since then we see each other at common social outlings and she goes out of her way to make it clear she’s ignoring me.

    Thanks to game, I’ve been able to 1) continue no contact approaching three weeks now 2) game other girls in front of her and 3) hang out with her friends, chat, and otherwise make it clear she doesn’t exist but the rest of the world does.

    My advice is to follow this advice. Cut out early. Don’t make allowances. Always ALWAYS be gaming other girls in front of her whenever you can.

    Keep looking good, do not ever let her know or see that you were hurt by this….ever…That’s been the one inner game saver.

    Also…never question why she left. Always reframe that you left or she lost you.

    That idea of her “losing” you should be planted in her mind early.

    It’s interesting. This one stopped replying to texts or contact but when I wrote to let her know she had lost me….she replied in 15 minutes…twice….

    If anyone has any doubt that being a “nice” guy or understanding in these situations will help, think again.

    This is primeval mind-fuck shit that chicks do without even thinking twice about cutting a guy out of their lives….IF they think they can have him back anytime.

    The minute you dispell that notice, they get all ansy, weird, passive aggressive and outright angry.

    I have had this situation#1 several times. Each time I’ve totally disappeared, they’ve ALWAYS come back in some form. The thing was that in most cases, I fucked them again….then I disappeared.

    The few times I pined away…they NEVER came back…

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  49. on May 20, 2010 at 3:15 pm kaikou

    @ riff dog and Real vince

    Mockery and over the top gestures should only be used in extreme situations

    While a girl might get your point, she will be embarassed and annoyed.

    If by then you haven’t made clear strides with her it is OVER! And she will tell her friends how “gay” you acted.

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  50. on May 20, 2010 at 3:17 pm luvsic

    “Hey, great idea, you email your hard-up stalker, and I’ll email my ex-girlfriend. Sound like a plan?”

    That’s gold.

    The first time a girl I was hitting on name-dropped a celebrity she had hooked up with, my only comment was ‘congratulations.’

    I could tell she instantly felt small. It worked so well, I have just stuck with that.

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  51. on May 20, 2010 at 3:18 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzlz

    looks like all my posts are a bit polarizing

    but they are

    a) mostly getting tghumbs up!! (which is somewhat surprising iwth all the pro-butthex secretive tapers fo bitthex without the girl’s consent approvers here)

    and b) getting by far the most reactions!!!

    lzozlzllzlzlz omg lzozlzlllzlzozlzlzl

    and b) is all that counts

    love or hate me
    you know your girlfriend
    wants 2 date me

    (by date i mean taking my cock and splooge in her mouth before you buy her dinner or after either way is ok i am not too picky when it cums 2 your girl on my dicky. lzozlzlz)

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  52. on May 20, 2010 at 3:24 pm Doug1

    Jay–

    The first two responses are on the ball!

    However, that door routine seems terribly fake, cheap, and slimy. The fuck is that shit?

    The Door Pattern strikes me as something that could really work. Certainly anxiety at losing you works to reinforce the girl’s bond.

    The key to the door pattern is too put it in place with her emotionally when she can’t see it as tit for tat. Of course the Door Pattern will only work once you’re an established couple and she has emotionally bonded with you. Before you are you need to be playing the scarcity game — making yourself more scarce than she’d like, with her surmising (given the alpha impression you’ve made on her) that you’re dating other girl(s) as well. (Avoid admitting this specifically, but certainly don’t deny it either.) This will make her LESS not more likely to want to date other guys herself, though she may well want to make you worry that she is. Roissy has dealt with that last in other posts. The nub: don’t chase, no matter what, and don’t bargain either (trading mutual pledges of fidelity).

    What having the door pattern already in place as a couple does is allow you be vastly more subtle in conveying the threat of your loss to her, at a time when you in fact want to warn her without seeming jealous and chasing or authoritarian. So the key thing is you put the pattern in place not in response to her attempts to make you jealous, where she will tend to at least partly dismiss it as at best a tit for tat counter, and feel that she’s therefore getting to you and has increased her bargaining power. You put it in place right after really good sex when she’s glowingly snuggly. This will tend to deeply cement the emotional feelings of potential loss of you the symbol arouses.

    The way that site Roissy links says to do it will tend to make it a subconscious thing, an emotional association beyond or deeper than her conscious realization that you could readily leave her. It’s be partly conscious but it will also have deep emotional meaning to her (which is the core of NLP) – and symbolize threat of loss when you point to it. This must be reinforced a number of times before real use.

    What that does is greatly lower her emotional sense that it’s tit for tat and that she’s gotten hand over you when you do use it for real.

    Re-read this:

    Roissy– You may want to run the Door Pattern on her before she leaves on her trip. I wouldn’t confront her about the texts, as this will only make you appear a jealous low-value lover. I’d just insinuate that the upcoming time apart would mean a lot of exhilarating freedom for the two of you, and that any funny stuff that you find out about means you are out the door for good.

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  53. on May 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm greatbooksformen

    lozzllzl

    i would lov e to see the pics of those voting me thumbs down

    it will be

    1) betas
    2) herbs
    3) chix with dicks

    zlzozozllz

    please pleaese please post your pics next 2 your votes lzozlzlzlzllzlz omg this will be funny lzozllzlzl 2 see pics of those who voted to free babbarus barbarus and kill jesus lzozllz

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  54. on May 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm Gorbachev

    @walawala,

    Your approach is good, but too bitter. You’re giving it away.

    The point is: If you want the girl to think she’s missing out by not having you, and you ever have to say this, you lose. You just can’t reliably demonstrate it this way.

    If you have to say it, it’s bogus. Wrong attitude. From the very first second you meet a girl, in a bar or anywhere, you need to have the following attitude in everything you do, how you move, when you grace her by not giving her the cold shoulder, how you tolerate her company:
    1) The girl is lucky to be near me
    2) Any woman who flakes isn’t worth time.
    3) If you lost her from flaking, fear not: there are a dozen more out there, and they’re probably better than her (ego guard).
    4) Any single woman just isn’t worth the stress. Truly. Not. Worth. The Stress. No girl is unique enough to justify worrying over losing. Unless her ass is exceptionally fine.

    Sending You Lost Me messages to a woman just says she’s better off without you.

    If you ever have to say it directly, you’ve lost.

    Getting Her Back

    If you spoiled it, there’s no way she’s going to easily see you as anything but a beta. She managed to injure you. You cared. The goal is: Don’t care.

    If you see her again, be polite but cold. Treat her like the fat, ugly friend.

    Try this:

    Find a less attractive friend of hers. Suss out the vibe. Are they rivals? Chat her up. Flirt with her. Don ‘t be too serious.

    Don’t be a dick: acknowledge the target, but don’t give her any indication of interest. Treat her as a guy.

    BUT treat her Friend as a possible.

    And THEN do the same thing to another friend. Not too serious.

    And then another woman.

    Dudes, if you can’t get her back this way, she’s gone. She’s a flakehead. Just let it go.

    Never, ever get worked up over losing a target. No woman, any woman, is worth it.

    Ironically, this will get you the girl every time.

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  55. on May 20, 2010 at 3:47 pm Sidewinder

    I think one of the most frustrating things with a flaking girl is that it deprives the player of any feedback to guage his game. Was she flaking because it was too sucessful? (she has put you in the potential lover category and is unable to talk to you due to her commitment to someone else?) or was it completely unsuccessful? (she is actually offended by someone of your caliber attempting to hit on her) Was there a miscommunication? (maybe you were supposed to call her or she missed your message)

    It is the worst move a girl can do because any thoughtful man is going to think through all these questions. The only solution is to not care what the answer is and to continue to hit on other girls, but its annoying to say the least and a certain degree of frustration is unavoidable. And I hate that it is considered a perfectly socially-acceptable response for a girl.

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  56. on May 20, 2010 at 3:47 pm Cannon's Canon

    ‘barbbabs’ simply a deliberate misspelling of ‘barabbas’ all this time?!?!?!

    i feel hurt, stunned, dazed, amazed, confused, abused!

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  57. on May 20, 2010 at 3:54 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

    lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

    what do ya want?

    a two cock rule rap?

    or three cock rule?

    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
    i need a chick to cuckold me
    i need a chick on me to pee
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i love being the greater fool
    one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
    i keep mine in my pants,
    and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
    so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i treat my lady like a nice guy,
    give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    while your cock doth touch her stool,
    i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
    as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
    teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
    to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
    while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
    splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
    i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
    fund her with other cocks to dance.

    lozlzlzlzl

    or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

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  58. on May 20, 2010 at 4:00 pm Polymath

    batman,

    The recommendation was for the next date she doesn’t flake on, following the very FIRST time she flaked, obviously. If she flakes twice in a row so that you don’t get to apply the recommendation after the first flake, you have to shift into NO CONTACT mode.

    This is the only way to handle it. You cannot allow a pattern of flaking to be established, and she will respect you for that. The important thing is to convey (and you can convey this jokingly or seriously or by implication, whatever seems like the smoothest way to get the message across) the dual message

    1) I have not forgotten that you flaked
    2) You are going to have to step up in order to meet my standards

    If she flakes twice and you give her a third chance a bad pattern has been established and it is much harder to change a pattern than to impose one from the beginning.

    If she flakes once, you follow my recommendation on the next date, and she flakes again on a following date, then “no contact” is slightly too harsh but you do the next best thing: Don’t initiate contact, DO reply but always be too busy to get together with her for a variety of minor reasons — important that it is not a major reason or the same reason over and over again, you want to establish that she’s low priority for you. This is a trick girls use all the time but it still hits them hard when the tables are turned. Ideally you should keep this up until she asks why you are always turning her down, then you can say “because saying yes and then cancelling would have been impolite.”

    Alternatively, the very first time she contacts you after the second flake, just be totally upfront and say “I’m not interested in flaky girls”. (NOT “I’m not interested in you” which gives her no hope, you give her the info she needs and she will feel a need to prove herself to you, exactly the right attitude you want her to have.)

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  59. on May 20, 2010 at 4:03 pm Ovid

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/flake-odds-point-system/

    I think Roissy should begin updating, reviewing and re-discussing old posts. I think we’re coming to the end of the line here and it would be a good way of redacting his enormous output.

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  60. on May 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm Sidewinder

    3-C Rule is da bomb. You seriously need to drop a beat up in this.

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  61. on May 20, 2010 at 4:09 pm vasafaxa

    The problem I see with a lot of this if a girl acts a certain way to you “punish her” routine. It that it comes from a place of having your ego hurt and taking revenge. It comes from a place of malice, not of self protection. I’m not arguing about what is or what is not alpha. But I think there is a difference in wanting to get yourself out of a bad situation and wanting to make the situation worse as revenge.

    If someone’s doing bitchy shit like cheating on you, why bother putting in the effort to humiliate her, why not just leave? Just be the better man and act like the adult that she is refusing to be. There is no reason to try and fuck her friend in front of her. You’ll just be turning what was a slightly unfaithful girl into a girl who is slightly unfaithful, hates men, and gets to put you in the villains role for cheating on her. Because she was only texting some guy, you actually did the deed. She’ll justify her behavior as ok because you were an ass anyways.

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  62. on May 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm Jules Verne

    Goddamn, it’s a headache reading the comments now.

    Not to mention these thumps up/down ratings.

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  63. on May 20, 2010 at 4:15 pm The Real Vince

    @ riff dog and Real vince

    Mockery and over the top gestures should only be used in extreme situations

    While a girl might get your point, she will be embarassed and annoyed.

    If by then you haven’t made clear strides with her it is OVER! And she will tell her friends how “gay” you acted.

    Well, I use straight sarcasm rather than a gay voice, but that doesn’t matter. There’s a difference between something happening in the moment — where it’s construed as quick and witty — versus reading a description on a blog forum. Yeah, maybe here you have time to process the insult and take affront, but in the moment, if it’s good natured, then it comes and goes.

    Furthermore, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with embarrassing a girl for acting TOO girly. They love that shit. Granted, in this particular situation the girl was behaving like a bitch, but that only gives permission to be meaner still. In that case, if she brought it up while we lazed on the couch, my first impulse is to say “ooh, somebody wants attention” and then tickle her mercilessly for a bit, stop: “now suck my cock.”

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  64. on May 20, 2010 at 4:17 pm greatbooksformen

    hey vasafaxa (vaginafaxmachinesalesgirl)

    you write “Because she was only texting some guy, you actually did the deed. ”

    fuck it.

    text a guy in fornt of me and i will fuck your firned lzozlzlzlzllzz

    i double dog dare ya 2 text that dude

    go ahead and make my day

    and your friends’ 2

    lzozlzlzlz!

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  65. on May 20, 2010 at 4:18 pm Doug1

    Walawala—

    Girl I had been gaming flaked on an evening we had planned by being “sick” day of…never attempted to make it up, didn’t think she had to…figured it was like “work” where being sick gave you license to get away scot free.

    I didn’t go hard as we had not yet gone out at that time….big mistake.

    Girls flake on the first date when you haven’t made a strong enough alpha and comfort impression on her for her to feel you’re more than another guy after her, that she can preserve as one of many options that will keep trying again for a date, so she can do something else more immediately compelling to her that night. So when she flakes on the first date you’re starting from behind.

    You can’t come down hard on her for flaking on the first date. It will feel presumptuous and needy to her. (It’s not something a guy with a number of other girl options would likely do, she feels instinctively. Actually that’s rarely the best thing to do with her generally.) Instead tease her mildly dismissively. E.g. some time (but that day) after getting the text, Roissy once suggested a succinct text back such as “whatevs, flakey miss McFlake”. That communicates she’s now got at least a strike against her cause you don’t really believe her, but that you’ve got other options.

    She’ll text back qualifying herself with something like “no, really, I AM sick. Sorry.” Don’t respond to this. (It also doesn’t really matter if she genuinely is. This will still work well.) If she asks you to try again that’s good of course, you can, but wait a week before you contact her to set up a date. If instead she asks you on a date right then, say you’re busy on whatever day or two she suggests, but say maybe you’ll try her another time. (You’re not jumping through her hoops.)

    If she doesn’t initiate contact, you should wait a week (much more and her memory of you will dim) while gaming other girls of course. Then txt when you do contact her that you’re giving her another chance. There’s an implicit warning to not flake this time or you’re done, but don’t verbalize that. The chances of her flaking again are now way lowered. Two flakes in a row and she’s out of course. (Don’t respond to her 2nd flake message.)

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  66. on May 20, 2010 at 4:21 pm Gorbachev

    @Polymath,
    This is the only way to handle it. You cannot allow a pattern of flaking to be established, and she will respect you for that. The important thing is to convey (and you can convey this jokingly or seriously or by implication, whatever seems like the smoothest way to get the message across) the dual message
    DO reply but always be too busy to get together with her for a variety of minor reasons — important that it is not a major reason or the same reason over and over again, you want to establish that she’s low priority for you
    Alternatively, the very first time she contacts you after the second flake, just be totally upfront and say “I’m not interested in flaky girls”. (NOT “I’m not interested in you” which gives her no hope, you give her the info she needs and she will feel a need to prove herself to you, exactly the right attitude you want her to have.)

    Polymath,

    This last one is great gold. Give her only one out, and that is to step up. She’s proving to you. Gives you the authority.

    And you’re right about giving her minor reasons. Not insulting ones, though; you want to appear better than her. Just enough to show you’re not as interested as she thinks you are.

    And girls do pull this shit all the time. It’s standard. I use the 2-1 rule: if she does this once, I do it twice. But I do it unpredictably, so that she doesn’t think it’s retaliation. It’s just to set the tone.

    I still do this, even if I get her to apologize for it; her apology is always meaningless, except as a device to acquire subtle moral authority and acknowledgment of bad behaviour.

    I don’t like retaliation. Retaliation is best done by taking control of her sexual response carefully, and then fucking her brains out.

    Anger or resentment – your own or hers – is just an obstacle to getting her to fuck you.

    Always think: What will get her to give me her pussy, as enthusiastically as possible. Your own ego is irrelevant.

    You just want the pussy. Stay on target.

    If you ever want revenge, then the best way is to control your anger, resentment and bitterness and wait until she is close enough to you. Then you have scope for revenge.

    Until you have her comfortable and asking for your dick, any reactionary anger or bitterness you have is just an obstacle.

    I was married for 4 years. I learned how to control the bitterness. Lashing out is always useless.

    This is what you do: Control yourself and get her into bed. Enjoy it. Enjoy her. Hang out. She’s flaky, irritating, plays female games with you, snaps, manipulates, …
    drive it in
    Slowly
    Over
    Time

    Wait for it, … wait for it, … wait for it, …

    Bite.

    Step out of the way.

    Now.

    Always keep your mind on the target. Control your own reactions, you control her.

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  67. on May 20, 2010 at 4:24 pm chi-town

    Hmm the one cock rule.

    One Cock to rule them all, One Cock to find them,
    One Cock to bring them all and in the darkness violate them

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  68. on May 20, 2010 at 4:26 pm sdaedalus

    @Ovid

    I think Roissy should begin updating, reviewing and re-discussing old posts. I think we’re coming to the end of the line here and it would be a good way of redacting his enormous output

    Maybe you could have a go at redacting the above last comment. Some of us happen to enjoy reading this blog.

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  69. on May 20, 2010 at 4:31 pm greatbooksformen

    why doesn’t ovid google old posts and play with his tiny cok in his single mom’s basement and leave us real menz alone 2 discuss teh great books here?

    what a lzozlzozlzzozlzlzolleerrrloooooooooooozer!!!!!

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  70. on May 20, 2010 at 4:34 pm Doug1

    sdaedalus–

    lozzllzzz

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  71. on May 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm Gorbachev

    @vasafaxa
    The problem I see with a lot of this if a girl acts a certain way to you “punish her” routine. It that it comes from a place of having your ego hurt and taking revenge. It comes from a place of malice, not of self protection. I’m not arguing about what is or what is not alpha. But I think there is a difference in wanting to get yourself out of a bad situation and wanting to make the situation worse as revenge.

    This is what I’m getting at. If you want the girl, you need to sublimate your own ego. Get the girl. Don’t let your own ego get in the way. You have to believe that her value to you is in her surrendering her sexuality and her body to you: her mind, as well, if you want to go that far. Nothing else she does or is has any intrinsic value to you.

    Betas make the mistake of thinking there’s more to women vis a vis men than this. There may be, but this is their primary value. Without this they’re just men minus penises.

    Eventually, the need for revenge and retaliation will wane: You want to control her sexuality, and her sexual response. You want to own it. Property. Eventually, you won’t care about her retarded little games. You’ll own her.

    If someone’s doing bitchy shit like cheating on you, why bother putting in the effort to humiliate her, why not just leave? Just be the better man and act like the adult that she is refusing to be. There is no reason to try and fuck her friend in front of her. You’ll just be turning what was a slightly unfaithful girl into a girl who is slightly unfaithful, hates men, and gets to put you in the villains role for cheating on her. Because she was only texting some guy, you actually did the deed. She’ll justify her behavior as ok because you were an ass anyways.

    Vasafraxa has it exactly right. Getting revenge in this way should be beneath you. The point is: Don’t be an ass, like Vasafraxa says.

    I would add: If you want revenge, there are far more insidious, subtle and much more devastating ways to do it, while making your point.

    Think Count of Monte Cristo, writ small.

    When they wonder why the shit hit the fan, if you’re lucky you’ll be there to carefully explain it to them.

    Like I said: keep your eyes on the target.

    And if you want revenge, make it bite properly.

    Any other kind of retaliation or revenge just isn’t worth it.

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  72. on May 20, 2010 at 4:38 pm Doug1

    vasafaxa–

    If someone’s doing bitchy shit like cheating on you, why bother putting in the effort to humiliate her, why not just leave? Just be the better man and act like the adult that she is refusing to be.

    Roissy’s specific suggestion for initiating a breakup sequence actually has a good chance of turning the girl into your on call fuck buddy. That’s why.

    As well it will tend to further underline your alpha cred. girls talk to each other. A lot.

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  73. on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 pm greatbooksformen

    so last nite my friend after orgazming moaning goes whahah “so are we… are we just frineds with benefits?” she asked.

    i said, “awww sweety no of course not,” and i pulled her in and hugged her and whispered, “we’re just benefits.”

    lzozlzllzzlzl!

    and i came again her riding me like a cowgirl saving a horse and riding a cowboy lzozlzlz

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  74. on May 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm A.H.A.

    Whoreschach! Hahahaha, thanks for making my day with that one 🙂

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  75. on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 pm Aww Geez

    …remind yourself that wordplay to women is like a handjob to men.

    Add this to the maxims.

    Btw, thanks for removing the gay ratings widget.

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  76. on May 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm NewAlpha

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!

    Why didn’t you post this 6 months ago?????

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  77. on May 20, 2010 at 5:23 pm Riff Dog

    Kaikow – @ riff dog and Real vince
    Mockery and over the top gestures should only be used in extreme situations
    While a girl might get your point, she will be embarassed and annoyed.
    If by then you haven’t made clear strides with her it is OVER! And she will tell her friends how “gay” you acted.

    If you’re going to tell all your friends how gay I acted, then I guess I must have really made an impression. In fact, now that I think about it, I don’t think I’d mind if you tell your friends I acted gay, either. To be sure, I can think of better starting positions (asshole, etc.) But since I’m pretty obviously not gay in person, I could see girls being intrigued by this, which I could definitely use in my favor.

    But that’s all beside the point, because as Real Vince said, I think you’re reading the wrong tone into this. It is indeed a scold, of sorts, but it’s a playful one. A girl will (and has, because I’ve done this in various situations) either laugh at herself or blush a little, because she will recognize that she did indeed fuck up. But this happens in a positive way, because I’m not making a big deal out of it. You know, because I know how to handle silly girls. Honestly, I can’t imagine a girl walking away in a huff over it.

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  78. on May 20, 2010 at 5:25 pm Peter (not GNP)

    Great Books For Men is a blessing. His comments are hilarious and if you get past all the lozlzzozlzz and crazy, hes pretty dead on. Always a thumbs up from me bro! lozzlozlzolzlzozzlzlzlzozlzolzo

    Ya, he grew on me too. Kinda like a benign tumor.

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  79. on May 20, 2010 at 5:29 pm Peter (not GNP)

    If a guy ever grabbed my arm and preceded with gay sarcasm. He is done. It’s not attractive or funny. I would be sure to tell all my friends.

    More of the eternal solipsism of the female mind. Who gives a fuck what you would do?

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  80. on May 20, 2010 at 6:01 pm the dude

    Answer to Argentinian dancer comment ‘I had sex with him, too!’

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  81. on May 20, 2010 at 6:19 pm Sniper

    You know, I am hard pressed to believe that this Door Pattern works on even the dumbest airhead. It’s just so obvious that it’s some memorized text that someone else came up with, unless you somehow train yourself to talk ~whimsically~ all the time. It’s extremely easy to tell when someone isn’t talking like himself.

    But assuming that you trust the guy (since you are sleeping with him), I would indeed “freak out” if anyone I was with started talking like that. Not because I’d be terrified of him leaving me, but because it doesn’t sound mentally stable (then again, how many people who read this blog are?). I would get up from that bed and sign him up for grievance counseling. We can fool around when he takes some Prozac/stops being creepy.

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  82. on May 20, 2010 at 6:22 pm sdaedalus

    @Sniper
    it doesn’t sound mentally stable (then again, how many people who read this blog are?)

    *Ahem* SDaedalus is a paragon of mental stability.

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  83. on May 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm greatbooksformen

    I AM WORKING ON MY BOOK!!!

    lzozllzl

    possible chpaters:

    dating urinals: how 2 game urinals by negging them
    one cock rule rap
    three cock rule rap
    the not-so-secret connection between fiat dollars, feminism, and butthex
    lozlzlzzllzlzlzozozlzozzlzling your way into her pants
    why neocons promote secretive tapings of butthex without teh girl’s consent
    how 2 go form friends with benefits 2 just benefits
    why god made tucker max rhyme with goldman sax
    getting engaged 2 someone who gave it awa 4 free when she was younger/hotter/tighter is very beta & stoooopid too

    what other chapters would u like 2 see?

    of course i will try 2 get a forward by roissy but i know he is busy

    i hope my book might drive more traffic 2 his rockin blog and future books 2 lzozlz

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  84. on May 20, 2010 at 6:41 pm sdaedalus

    @GBFM
    what other chapters would u like 2 see?

    I’d like to see a response to at least one of my stoopid questions.

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  85. on May 20, 2010 at 6:44 pm kaikou

    The point is that mockery gets old. If anyone just mocks you all the time then what’s the point? To go as far as to make a big scene with gestures and gasps is way too much and try hard. Your probably right that it works with silly little girls. Good for you. Anyways for men who actually want more acting out + sarcasm = DEAD if. Your not already established.

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  86. on May 20, 2010 at 6:50 pm greatbooksformen

    i am also working on some new social networking sites which i am trying 2 get funding for if any of you know bernanke or his vulture capitalists lzolzlzl

    1. friendsterwithbenfits.com (fuck your friend’s & your friends freinds lzozllz!)
    2. assbook — like facebook but all ass, all teh time lzozlz neocon butthexerds will be our biggest customers lzozl
    3. clitter — like twitter but mostly dominated by chix tweeting about things which make their gina clits tingle — oh wait that is twitter lozlzlzozlz on me!!
    4. myspacebteweenmylegs.com lzozllzzlzo omg the whole point of myspace without all the lofty harvard mba buzzword bullshit and fanboy wired articles on how now bands are better off because they can give tehir music away for free so that major coprorations can sell their ads and profit of the indie artists work lzozlzlzll
    5. worldofbetacraft — a new mmorpg online role playing veideogame for betas who can level up and fight for stupid shit while bernanke keeps them in ther basements so that they never man up and fight for teh constitution lzozlzlzozlozl omg lozzllz

    like all the neocon social networks these social networks will alos serve first and foremost i promise to debase and debauch and dumb down the culture while also losing billions of dollars lzozlzlzlzlzllzlzlz ben bernanke will thank me as teh greatest good in the neocon handbook is to create debt and debase and war and destruction and destabilization as they prepare us 4 fema camps lzozlzlzl i hope i end up in a camp with roissy so we can lzozlzlzozll atr all teh betas and go “see i told you so but you just wanted to get laid so you cut your own cock off now think about that really lzozlzlzllzlz how ironic don’t you think? and dumb tooo lzozlzlz.”

    [editor: dude are you on a blow bender? yer killing it today. clitter. lol.]

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  87. on May 20, 2010 at 7:06 pm greatbooksformen

    yah i am on a blow bender 2day as i got a blow job last night no kidding and i swear to friggin god and goldman sax who is doing god’s work in teh words of loyd blankfein that seriously the chick asked me if we’re just “friends with benefits” and i said no not at all don’t worry sweety come here and i pulled her in and said “no–we’re just benefits” omg she laughed haha

    ten minutes later she’s faceing the otehr way riding me like a cowgirl lozlzlzlzlzlzzlzlzl

    she knows i luvs her in that way womenz want to be luved while the betas pay for her drinks

    so ya i am on a blow bender as she done blowed me right and then hopped on teh rest of the night and i am sleepy tired but it’s all good lozlzlzllz and not even charlotte allen correcting my grammar could ruin the high you get from her bouncing up and down so high with taht little shaved runway strip lzozlzlzlzl

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  88. on May 20, 2010 at 7:08 pm greatbooksformen

    p.s. i forgot to mention that assbook would have the same privacy settings as facebook so be careful because the neocons could fuck you in the ass at any time and videotape it too without getting your consent unless you hack into the assbok site past four firewalls and opt out lzozlzllzlzzl

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  89. on May 20, 2010 at 7:34 pm greatbooksformen

    another chapter:

    investing in the ROISSY 401K INDEX FUND: “ROSY” tickr symbol

    LZOZLLZLZ PR NEWSWIRE: in todays rough and tumble neocon markets who gives a fuck about saving for retirement when you could get married and she could fuck your best friend on the kicthen counter playing your fitty cent cd and you come and find her and she gets half your assets lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzl 4 riding your friends donkey dong kong like what the fuck are you investing in index funds for with some bitch living inyour house betaherbfucktard if some bitch can just fuck your friend and take off with half teh home and half your fucking welath and business you fucking fucktard not to mention lawyer fees for neocon no fault divorce lwayers debauching tteh currency and culture and marriage and the family and telling girls it is cool lto love and cream and tingle for butthexing douchebags and undead vampire monsters lzozlzl and incaceration if you compalin too loudly and she fakes a police report or two holy shit you stiupid fucktard. invest in ROSY and pum ‘n dimp the chicks just like Goldman Sachs pumps and dumps the dollar, mortage-backed-securities and oteh rbullshit lzozlzlz omg lzozllzlzl as tehy convert fiat debt into physical property lzozlzlzol not 2 mention alimony 4 the rest of your life support and child support 4 kids she can take away form you under the behest of bernanke et al. lzozlzlzlzlz kids she can take away 2 shjare with her new boyfirends who you will pay for to have her bang while also paying them to abuse your kidz and introduce them to drugs and alpha ways alpha ways defined by teh neocns who hate true heroic alphas and send them 2 die in their foreign wars on foreign shores lzolzllz zlzlz zomng lzozllzlzlzl

    invest in ROSY!!

    i am toatlly setting up both the

    lzozlzloozlzzl hedge fund (hedging against cock hopping whores lozlzlzll)
    and lzozlzl capital management (managing capital letters and grammar lzozlzl just kidding i am not an ahging neocn womnez lzozlzl)

    lzozlzlzl

    you can trade my index fund under the symbol LOZL !!

    there is no penalty for early withdrawl, and it is in fact highly recommended, even if u are wearing a condom. lzozlzlzlzllz!!!

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  90. on May 20, 2010 at 7:49 pm Badger Nation

    “Interestingly, even if she is good LTR material who was just shitting you, that is still the correct response.”

    I understand how someone who is “good LTR material” could shit-test a bit, but shit-testing about the cock carousel is not good LTR material to me. A recovering slut has gone straight enough to hide that on first encounter; a woman still trying for social cred off those memories is not mentally capable of LTR.

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  91. on May 20, 2010 at 7:52 pm greatbooksformen

    hey u guys knwo how heath ledger killed himself and owen wilson tried too?

    well they both played cowboys in modern hollywood which means they had 2 take it up da ass lzozlzlzlzlzlzllz zlzozzllzzl

    omg

    imagine if u wanted to be john wyane and instead u got butthexed

    ouch!!!

    i mean i wouldn’t kill myself but some folks take that kinda poopchute stuff harder that they think they will at first lzozlzlz

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  92. on May 20, 2010 at 7:57 pm sdaedalus

    I see GBFM is doing pretty good on the ratings so far.

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  93. on May 20, 2010 at 7:59 pm xsplat

    Hey, does anyone know of any resources for crafting initial dating website emails? I’m really lame at it. Also, can you link to some outstanding male profiles?

    A decade ago I used to write the sappiest stuff on my profile. After realizing how lame it was, I switched to writing nearly nothing at all. Time to work on my e-cold-approaches.

    What do you use for a cut and paste initial greeting?

    I’m thinking about farming out some of this work to Indians. Now that I’ve got some cash, I can travel or fly girls to meet me at any time, so why not have a pool of contacts.

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  94. on May 20, 2010 at 8:03 pm greatbooksformen

    dude i think you just wrote an aweomse opening:

    “xsplat: Hey, does anyone know of any resources for crafting initial dating website emails? I’m really lame at it. ”

    lzozlzlzll!

    dating sites are to betas what balls are to a cock–always together even when the cock gets hard when nowhere near a real girl.

    lzozlzlzlzl

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  95. on May 20, 2010 at 8:04 pm xsplat

    Badger

    I understand how someone who is “good LTR material” could shit-test a bit, but shit-testing about the cock carousel is not good LTR material to me. A recovering slut has gone straight enough to hide that on first encounter; a woman still trying for social cred off those memories is not mentally capable of LTR.

    Ya, I have an urge to weigh in on any topic, but unless I have some personal experience in it, I don’t get that full bodied feeling of timely confidence, telling me that my vision is urgent and cogent. So as much as I’d like to say something pithy about a girl talking about cock, all I can say is I haven’t had that happen.

    I like Gorbachof’s recent posts where he stresses inner attitude. Responses to the shit girls say isn’t like being on a game show and remembering the correct trivial answer. It’s just about projecting your attitude. And the attitude is a mixture of let’s have fun and don’t piss me off.

    A girl who started talking about other lovers would be starting to piss me off.

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  96. on May 20, 2010 at 8:17 pm Gorbachev

    @xsplat


    Hey, does anyone know of any resources for crafting initial dating website emails? I’m really lame at it. Also, can you link to some outstanding male profiles?
    A decade ago I used to write the sappiest stuff on my profile. After realizing how lame it was, I switched to writing nearly nothing at all. Time to work on my e-cold-approaches.
    What do you use for a cut and paste initial greeting?
    I’m thinking about farming out some of this work to Indians. Now that I’ve got some cash, I can travel or fly girls to meet me at any time, so why not have a pool of contacts.

    While online dating gives you access to reliable poon, here are some troubles:
    1) Attractive girls get thousands of emails. There’s no way to stand out. It’s wholly based on physical attraction. If you’re not a natural 8, you’re fucked (or not).
    2) Pickup techniques barely work in writing. You can’t tingle the gyna online.
    3) 6-7’s in their early 30’s dominate. They all want LTRs. They’re looking for the best-looking LTRs who seem stable. We know the trouble with these.
    4) Over 35s are total cougars. Most have bitter stories and don’t want to be single. They’re all looking for husbands.
    5) A whole zoo of fatties. So many, it’s hard to sift.

    This is NOT prime pickup material.

    It’s extremely hard to find women you want to fuck that you can approach. And fooling them is tougher and has consequences if they know people.

    There are a few hotties, but you can meet them anyway.

    But if you learn to play this game, there’s a reliable source of reasonably fuckable poon. It’s like clockwork.

    Upsides and downsides to that.

    You have to target your profile the by knowing your audience.

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  97. on May 20, 2010 at 8:26 pm The Fiat Bankster

    hey GBFM,

    my old pal Ben Bernake says you love taking it up the a$$!

    he says he gives it to you twice a day and 3 times on sunday!

    is this true??????????????

    do you like the butthex as much as the neocons do??????????????

    loluzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

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  98. on May 20, 2010 at 8:28 pm Cap'n Bob

    Here’s something strange.

    Do you notice that any time that GBFM is in a post, there are no Roissy comment posts.

    Maybe GBFM is his alter ego – cut away the lolz and you have a desperately funny writer – he could be the Jerry Lewis to Roissy’s Dean Martin.

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  99. on May 20, 2010 at 8:28 pm xsplat

    sdaedalus
    I see GBFM is doing pretty good on the ratings so far.

    Another example of why we’ll never get a meritocracy from a democracy.

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  100. on May 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm sdaedalus

    I have to say, the rating system is inspired.

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  101. on May 20, 2010 at 8:36 pm xsplat

    Gorbachev

    While online dating gives you access to reliable poon, here are some troubles:
    1) Attractive girls get thousands of emails. There’s no way to stand out. It’s wholly based on physical attraction. If you’re not a natural 8, you’re fucked (or not).

    Don’t forget, I’m a westerner living in Indonesia. I’m Brad Pit’s ugly brother.

    2) Pickup techniques barely work in writing. You can’t tingle the gyna online.

    Absolutely. It’s about setting up dates.

    3) 6-7′s in their early 30′s dominate. They all want LTRs. They’re looking for the best-looking LTRs who seem stable. We know the trouble with these.

    I’m in SE Asia. Dating sites are dominated by 20-24 years olds.

    4) Over 35s are total cougars. Most have bitter stories and don’t want to be single. They’re all looking for husbands.

    Hey, don’t insult me. 35?!!! My cutoff age is 27, and even that is way up there for me.

    5) A whole zoo of fatties. So many, it’s hard to sift.

    Again – SE Asia. Maybe 5% fatties.

    It’s extremely hard to find women you want to fuck that you can approach. And fooling them is tougher and has consequences if they know people.

    Huh?

    There are a few hotties, but you can meet them anyway.

    Ya, of course you can. That’s the whole point. It’s not a facebook circle jerk.

    You have to target your profile the by knowing your audience.

    What I’ve done in the last decade is to not target the profile at all. Just one picture, and lead from that into chat, then into dates. I’ve had good success. I want to up my game on that.

    It is my option to arrange at any time I like to travel and date 10 or 20 girls per city. Travel as much and as long as I like. Or I could fly in a new girl every week.

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  102. on May 20, 2010 at 8:45 pm sdaedalus

    @XSplat
    Another example of why we’ll never get a meritocracy from a democracy

    Just to let you know I rated you +1 for the outsourcing of dating profiles comment. There’s a time when the personal touch is required, and then there’s a time to delegate.

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  103. on May 20, 2010 at 8:46 pm sdaedalus

    @Xsplat

    Also, you give a new meaning to the term “fly girls”

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  104. on May 20, 2010 at 8:51 pm xsplat

    Yes, Daed, if a guy is not geographically fixed, the dating websites are a great opportunity. Contact 10,000 of the hottest girls, have my staff weed them down based on response rate, go over these and choose the most attractive, set up some chat, then arrange an itinerary of about 2-3 dates per day.

    Beats cold approaches on the street.

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  105. on May 20, 2010 at 8:56 pm sdaedalus

    @Xsplat
    Even with the outsourcing, it still sounds like a lot of work, so tough, choosing the 10,000 hottest girls from all those lovelies, then meeting the top 500-1000 or so, you must be really dedicated. I guess like everything else you have to put in the hard yards (Australian expression) if you are to get the optimum result.

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  106. on May 20, 2010 at 9:01 pm Doug1

    Xsplat—

    Hey, does anyone know of any resources for crafting initial dating website emails? I’m really lame at it. Also, can you link to some outstanding male profiles?

    A decade ago I used to write the sappiest stuff on my profile. After realizing how lame it was, I switched to writing nearly nothing at all. Time to work on my e-cold-approaches.

    Check out what this guy says. Yeah he sometimes comments here. He’s had lots of success on the US/Canadian focused site for cheating spouses of both sexes, Ashley Madison. He links a sample profile as well. He has a number of posts on the subject that are probably interlinked pretty well. They’re specific to Ashley Madison but a number of the principles will apply. His stories make good fratire of an older guy non drunken sort as well (your age range I think).

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/reader-mailbag-flakes-snakes-and-alpha-male-tales/

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  107. on May 20, 2010 at 9:04 pm Doug1

    xsplat–

    copied the web address from the wrong window. Here, this link:

    http://ashleyandme.blogspot.com/2010/05/wait-minute-riff-dog-youre-saying-women.html

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  108. on May 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm thealchem1st

    xsplat,

    This thread by Cajun is indispensable in terms of online game:

    http://www.theattractionforums.com/online-game/51945-cajuns-online-method-profiles-messaging-closing-techniques.html

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  109. on May 20, 2010 at 9:21 pm P

    On the past flings thing, if I ever get that one again, I’m gonna try:

    “Was he your first?”
    or
    “Did he break your heart?”

    with just enough of a smirk to imply “why the hell would you brag about that?”

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  110. on May 20, 2010 at 9:24 pm You're Mom

    GBFM is f’ing hilarious.

    The rest of you are just retarded.

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  111. on May 20, 2010 at 9:34 pm The Real Vince

    I’m reluctant to give GBFM more of the attention he craves, and I admit to reflexively down-rating his comments; I figure if he says anything hilarious, and he often does, then someone will quote it. I do have to admit, “we’re just benefits” had me laughing out loud.

    Still WTF does he care if “betatards” are giving him the thumbs down? He’s so Alpha that he shouldn’t give a shit. Looks like reaction-seeking behavior.

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  112. on May 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm greatbooks4men

    lollzz

    i think i pw3d the entire internet 2day

    lollzloll

    i recommend all you betas getting some head now and the you’ll be physically sleepy but allhopped up lolloll

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  113. on May 20, 2010 at 10:09 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Omigosh! There are ratings. I didn’t even read any comments, just wanted to comment on the rating system. “FUN.” (ahaha)

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  114. on May 20, 2010 at 10:10 pm Pupu

    Pupu’s head is spinning looking at so many thumbs going up and down.

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  115. on May 20, 2010 at 10:11 pm tunacanman

    I WANT SOME CIGSTACHE HAIKU LOVE

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  116. on May 20, 2010 at 10:22 pm Sota

    I agree with pupu. When I look at the comments all I see are the thumbs.

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  117. on May 20, 2010 at 10:46 pm Powers

    “Remind yourself that wordplay to women is like a handjob to men.”

    Genius.

    Re email #2. I think you should take the opposite approach. Encourage her to get together and make sweet love. Watch her write responses back to him. Coach her. Start writing for her, “I don’t know why but for some reason your words are turning me on…” Ask her if he send flowers and chocolates. Ask her if he makes her cum. Ask her how long he eats her out. Make a mockery of her attention to his attention. Girls don’t like this. I’ve done it.

    Seriously, who cares if she cheats — you might, but you have to pretend you don’t. Even better, don’t care. This works well if you’re a consummate dongbucket. Or a douchenozzle.

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  118. on May 20, 2010 at 10:52 pm Sam

    Please remove the fucking thumbs. They serve no purpose. I don’t give a fuck what someone else thinks about a comment. If somebody can’t decide for themselves if a comment if good or bad, they don’t deserve to live. Thank you from everyone.

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  119. on May 20, 2010 at 11:02 pm greatbooksformen

    “Sam

    Please remove the fucking thumbs. They serve no purpose except for sticking up my ass and I already have my head way on up in there. I don’t give a fuck what someone else thinks about my cock size. If somebody can’t decide for themselves if my cock is tiny or really small, they don’t deserve to live. Thank you from everyone.”

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  120. on May 20, 2010 at 11:22 pm Chris from Dublin

    ROFL

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  121. on May 20, 2010 at 11:26 pm walawala

    @Gorbachev, Doug1

    I’ve been in NO CONTACT with this “target” for 3 weeks now. We used to be quite close but when she took steps back for whatever reason, so did I. She didn’t like the loss of attention. We hung out 3 weeks ago, then she suddenly spooked again.

    But yes, I have been flirting with her friends who think I’m a good guy and always flirt or respond.

    The target seems bitter and angry about something: loss of control? Loss of attention? Other issues not related to me? I don’t think it matters anymore. Time to move on.

    What I’ve learned since I discovered Mystery Method, game and the Roissy methods, is that girls love drama and being engaged in some form of it. If they’re bored or not interested, they generally don’t react one way or the other.

    I think some girls simply have issues and those issues come out when they feel something for a guy. The more intense their feelings, very often, the more intense their fears. It makes no sense for a girl to be this angry when we never shagged.

    I knew a Korean girl years ago who came on strong, shagged me for 6 weeks, then suddenly disappeared. At that time I was the hurt “beta”…”why did you leave when it was going so well?”—blah… I was a dick. She wrote back a month later apologizing. There was back and forth and when I started ignoring her, she came back. I of course shagged her again, then she split. No explanation. Now I get it. Some girls are addicted to the drama and want to be gamed by dicks.

    One thing I’ve learned since I discovered “game” is that this type of reaction isn’t necessarily a bad thing—AS LONG AS YOU DON”T GET SUCKED INTO THE DIEN BIEN PHU OF THEIR FUCKED UP EMOTIONS.

    A “reaction” positive or this angry is a reaction, it means she’s thinking of me in some way. In the past I would have been needy and tried to pry from the girl “why”? Now…”why” doesn’t matter.

    The biggest learning is as you say, keeping a control over your own emotions, remaining calm, gaming other girls in front of the “target”.

    Too many guys get wrapped into their drama and build up a “tolerance” for flaking which rarely works.

    To be good at “game” you have to always be thinking two or three moves ahead and not paying attention to what you see in front of you but what’s bubbling below the surface of the “target” and not being afraid of a girl’s jambalaya of emotions.

    Yesterday, a girl I was gaming, gave me some shit test. I gave her a raised eyebrow stare and just waited. Her reaction: “Don’t look at me like that!” My response: “Don’t talk to me like that…” followed by big smile.

    She asked me when she was going to see me again.

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  122. on May 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm walawala

    @xsplat

    you wrote:

    xsplat
    18Rate This

    “”Hey, does anyone know of any resources for crafting initial dating website emails? I’m really lame at it. Also, can you link to some outstanding male profiles? “”

    I live in Asia too and have tried this with tremendous success. Most girls are online and this is an accepted form of meeting blokes.

    What’s worked for me is being direct but mysterious:

    Headlines that have attracted hotties: “Sweet, petite, discrete”

    “Wouldn’t it be nice…..”
    “It’s summertime and the living is easy….”

    Corny maybe…but it’s a differentiator from the regular pap most guys will write.

    Then for the body, I keep it short:

    “Fun, fit, tall, seeks sexy, petite, professional like myself who knows how to take care of herself 22-29. You look good in heels but also love to let your hair down and laugh. [Mention some movie you’ve seen, preferably something that has sex in it] Wouldn’t it be nice to [describe shit girls like here] share a glass of wine over candles, seaview, staring at the moon holding hands….”

    Somehow Asian girls get this right away that it’s about fucking. I have received so many replies with this approach. Some of them actually write about “making love on the beach”.

    Sound beta-ish maybe but it’s vulnerability game and it’s fantasy-writing. It plays into a girl’s “idea” of the ideal man.

    When you get their responses, I always chat on IM with them before I agree to meet them, you can play it anyway you want, you’ll know what to do from there.

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  123. on May 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm Puma

    Here is a Conservative columnist who gets it! ….

    Conservatives Need A Fresh Issue

    By Mike McManus
    May 20, 2010

    http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=12607

    He advises republicans to stop chasing the gay marriage canard, and instead to focus on tackling divorce via reforming the divorce laws.

    Amazing.

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  124. on May 21, 2010 at 12:04 am Pupu

    Pupu’s head stopped spinning looking at the thumbs going up and down on her own post. OK, some of you don’t like it. Point’s taken. Have you heard this song:

    “I don’t wanna play in your yard,
    I don’t like you anymore.
    You’ll be sorry when you see me
    Sliding down our cellar door.

    You can’t holler down our rain barrel,
    You can’t climb our apple tree,
    I don’t wanna play in your yard,
    If you can’t be good to me.”

    Muah, muah,
    Nite, nite.
    Pupu

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  125. on May 21, 2010 at 12:07 am sdaedalus

    My sentiments exactly, Pupu.

    Muah!

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  126. on May 21, 2010 at 12:08 am Tupac Chopra

    @Sniper
    it doesn’t sound mentally stable (then again, how many people who read this blog are?)

    *Ahem* SDaedalus is a paragon of mental stability.

    As I’ve said before (particularly regarding the long-time regulars here (including Yours Truly)), Mark Twain’s quote is particularly apt:

    “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries of life disappear and life stands explained.”

    The scary thing is —

    We are on the cutting edge…

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  127. on May 21, 2010 at 12:12 am Tupac Chopra

    I don’t wanna play in your yard,
    If you can’t be good to me.”

    Muah, muah,
    Nite, nite.
    Pupu

    I’ve got a line of coke on my cock if you’re willing to take a whack.

    I love you.

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  128. on May 21, 2010 at 12:16 am ahappinessexperiment

    If you take Game to it’s furthest conclusion, who was the greatest?

    my vote is Kissinger. ugly, evil war criminal who fucked starlets in their prime. who else? (naturals dont count… this is about the sort that would bomb Cambodia to fuck Candace Bergen in her prime.)

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  129. on May 21, 2010 at 12:21 am ahappinessexperiment

    btw, coke game isnt really game, right? coke whores are just whores. the fact u r paying them n coke doesnt make it game.

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  130. on May 21, 2010 at 12:21 am sdaedalus

    @Tupac
    As I’ve said before (particularly regarding the long-time regulars here (including Yours Truly)), Mark Twain’s quote is particularly apt:“When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries of life disappear and life stands explained.”

    Am delighted to be in same company as Mark Twain (and indeed Your Good Self. However, didn’t Twain also say:
    “All generalizations are false….”
    For some strange reason (probably convenience) I can’t remember the end of this quote.

    The scary thing is —We are on the cutting edge…
    Of the enchanted blade?

    Of course any chance of you receiving this reply is hypothetical as it will Go into Moderation.

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  131. on May 21, 2010 at 12:26 am Tupac Chopra

    btw, coke game isnt really game, right?

    Coke, good looks, money, exciting lifestyle, mindfucking personality — they all involve giving the female a dopamine rush.

    Where do you draw the line?

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  132. on May 21, 2010 at 12:26 am The Fiat Bankster

    “btw, coke game isnt really game, right? coke whores are just whores. the fact u r paying them n coke doesnt make it game.”

    Tell that to my dick.

    My dick loves 9s/10s, coke whores or not.

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  133. on May 21, 2010 at 12:27 am ahappinessexperiment

    but one reason coke pays for so much more pussy in value is fact that hot women cant exactly go on a coke score by themselves the way a guy can. so just as price of coke goes up 50 fold between mexican-us border, it goes up another 10 times between a guy scoring it in LA and sharing it with an LA girl.

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  134. on May 21, 2010 at 12:30 am ahappinessexperiment

    Coke isnt Game you beta fags, its just paying for pussy.

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  135. on May 21, 2010 at 12:34 am Tupac Chopra

    Coke isnt Game you beta fags, its just paying for pussy.

    Most men pay in one form or another.

    Even Masters Of The Universe had to pay in their grueling climb to the top.

    Aint no free lunches in this world.

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  136. on May 21, 2010 at 12:35 am ahappinessexperiment

    “Coke, good looks, money, exciting lifestyle, mindfucking personality — they all involve giving the female a dopamine rush.

    Where do you draw the line?”

    um, at coke. cuz that is all coke whores care about. i know the fattest fucking losers in the world that score hot chicks with coke. it aint game. they are just coke whores.

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  137. on May 21, 2010 at 12:37 am The Fiat Bankster

    “Coke isnt Game you beta fags, its just paying for pussy.”

    Fag = a guy who likes butthex.

    Guys who fuck 9s/10s = not fags.

    To most coke whores, coke + weed + champagne = a “good party.”

    9s/10s in LA, Miami, NYC aren’t falling for a guy who read teh “mystery method.”

    They are falling for a guy who can “party.”

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  138. on May 21, 2010 at 12:38 am ahappinessexperiment

    “Most men pay in one form or another.

    Even Masters Of The Universe had to pay in their grueling climb to the top.

    Aint no free lunches in this world.”

    Tupac, then you are just a beta loser. An alpha gets free pussy for lunch.

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  139. on May 21, 2010 at 12:41 am ahappinessexperiment

    if u r scoring pussy with coke then u can stop wasting ur energy on game. whores just want to get paid, no reason to charm them.

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  140. on May 21, 2010 at 12:47 am The Fiat Bankster

    “if u r scoring pussy with coke then u can stop wasting ur energy on game. whores just want to get paid, no reason to charm them.”

    Have you met 20-something 9s/10s in LA, Miami, NYC?

    Most are coke whores in one form or another since teh party scene is dominated by coke.

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  141. on May 21, 2010 at 12:49 am Philosopher

    @Xsplat,

    Here’s an idea for creating dating site emails. Get other men to do the work for you.

    Create several online profiles pretending to be a woman seeking a man.

    Instruct men to write. “If you want to date me, send an email that is: funny, witty, intelligent, charming, sarcastic, etc.”
    (Pick one to match the email you need.)

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  142. on May 21, 2010 at 12:51 am Tupac Chopra

    Where do you draw the line?”

    um, at coke. cuz that is all coke whores care about. i know the fattest fucking losers in the world that score hot chicks with coke. it aint game.

    Oooooooh! They didn’t use “Game”. Whatsoever shall they do? Perhaps console themselves in all The Hotts(tm) who are gobbling their knob. Small consolation of course.

    And what about dumb meatheads with no Game? Those losers. Sure, they’re banging primo tail. But they didn’t use backturns and false time constraints! Ha ha ha. If they only knew.

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  143. on May 21, 2010 at 12:53 am ahappinessexperiment

    @FiatBankster

    Yes, you are making my point.

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  144. on May 21, 2010 at 12:55 am ahappinessexperiment

    point is that any loser can pay a whore. paying for it is something to keep to youself, not something to brag about.

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  145. on May 21, 2010 at 12:58 am Tupac Chopra

    paying for it is something to keep to youself, not something to brag about.

    Nobody was bragging. You started in with the coke bashing and I said:

    Coke, good looks, money, exciting lifestyle, mindfucking personality — they all involve giving the female a dopamine rush.

    Where do you draw the line?

    Hardly bragging.

    But I can tell what’s important to you…

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  146. on May 21, 2010 at 1:04 am Tupac Chopra

    9s/10s in LA, Miami, NYC aren’t falling for a guy who read teh “mystery method.”

    They are falling for a guy who can “party.”

    sad but true

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  147. on May 21, 2010 at 1:06 am xsplat

    I could easily go out tonight and bring home an extacy loving girl. I could rotate as often as I wanted – new girl a night.

    But in the morning, would she be addicted to my cock, or would she leave before making a decent breakfast?

    Nah, I prefer to work a bit harder within a more limited pool of applicants for longer term rewards. I don’t do druggie girls.

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  148. on May 21, 2010 at 1:07 am ephebophile

    @The Truth

    Good responses by Roissy. A great frame to have is never take anything she says seriously. Who the fuck cares what the little ho says anyway? If you adopt this, you can handle all scenarios easily.

    This is precisely why a PUA and being a loving husband cannot be reconciled. Oil and Water, pure and simple…

    The motives and objectives of a PUA and a Husband are quite divergent.
    The husband wants to keep his woman/investment in perpetuity. The PUA wants constant variety in perpetuity sans investment.

    PUAs are lust oriented whereas a husband is love oriented. With the PUA the Car, the Dog, and the Job come before a woman, with the husband, Family always comes first.

    Husbands really will care what a “ho” says… but pimps say
    “Bitch bettah have my money”.

    One could make the following generalizations

    Husbandry = beta
    Loving a woman = beta
    Banging women = DHV then beta
    Creating Hasbians = Alpha

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  149. on May 21, 2010 at 1:08 am The Fiat Bankster

    “point is that any loser can pay a whore. paying for it is something to keep to youself, not something to brag about.”

    Any loser?

    Do you know how much teh coke costs?

    If most young 9s/10s in LA, Miami, NYC are coke whores, then how exactly do you get sexy time with them?

    Whores, whores everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

    I’m out.

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  150. on May 21, 2010 at 1:08 am Gorbachev

    Online:

    Don’t forget, I’m a westerner living in Indonesia. I’m Brad Pit’s ugly brother.

    Okay. Online in Asia. That’s a different ballgame.

    Online in North America: Moo moo. Hotties are hard to get. Game doesn’t work. They’re looking for guys they can take home.

    I lived in Korea and go there all the time.

    Online in Korea: Most girls are looking for hookups. It’s normal to hook up with guys randomly. Don’t let the conservative face fool you.
    Difference from North America: They’re between 21-35, mostly stupidly hot by comparison, and they fuck like minks.

    They LOVE foreigners; especially white guys. They’ll pay for things.

    It’s *NOT* the same thing as online dating here. There is no possible comparison. Online dating in North America is universally disappointing.

    Online dating in Korea is like a Hot Poon Machine.

    BUT

    If you have game and aren’t ugly, there’s no point using online dating. Just spend some time with actual women and it’s almost hard not to sleep with a different hot (7-9) girl every second night.
    Maintaining a stable of FWBs and callbacks is expected. If you’re not doing it, you’re considered a bit of a loser.

    Anyone who has spent time in Korea knows this: Super hot girls, multiple FWBs available all the time, the hottest GFs any guy will ever have.

    If you can use game to score 6-8 in the U.S., your game will easily – easily – get you 9 repeatedly in Korea.

    I have no idea about Indonesia.

    Japan: MUCH easier than Korea. If you can’t get seriously laid with hot chicks in clubs, you’re a dolt. Goes for the weediest herb, too.

    Online dating might work in Asia, but I’ll say this: It’s always inferior to actually gaming girls.

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  151. on May 21, 2010 at 1:10 am xsplat

    I even prefer getting girls when I’m flat broke. And I like being ugly. Any conquest reflects more on my skill and personality that way. But unlike some, I’m no purist about it. There are no rules and there is no suck thing as cheating.

    I’m going out today looking for a place that can cast a gold ring to hold a cheap tiger eye cab I bought on the weekend. Next week I’ll go motorcycle hunting. I’ve got the bachelor pad setup. And I’ll hire people to do the grunt work of online dating. Whatever gets me what I want.

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  152. on May 21, 2010 at 1:19 am xsplat

    ephebophile

    This is precisely why a PUA and being a loving husband cannot be reconciled. Oil and Water, pure and simple…

    You are 100% right. Not 61%, but 100%. Oil and water. Black and white.

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  153. on May 21, 2010 at 1:22 am xsplat

    I tried to put in sarcasm /sarcasm marks for clarity in the last post, but it didn’t take.

    I thought sarcasm might be a better way to get across the same point that has been made here 486 times. That game is a tool that can be applied to whatever ends.

    The only thing game requires that betas can’t stand is a genuine appreciation for female nature as it is. That’s too hard to stomach for some.

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  154. on May 21, 2010 at 1:41 am Tupac Chopra

    The only thing game requires that betas can’t stand is a genuine appreciation for female nature as it is. That’s too hard to stomach for some.

    By way of contrast:

    “Understanding the origin of human behavior is like looking for a place to land a plane when the earth below is covered by a huge, thick cloud. Human behavior makes no sense from a hedonic point of view, nor does it make sense from any alternative idea. The human being is an unfinished entity, burdened by a strange mix of cortical and sub-cortical processes and a body which requires immense artifices to protect and assure it of its ‘immortality.'” — C.S. Hyatt

    In short, our current stage of evolution is a way-station, a work in progress. It could go either way. Eh. And here you are advocating for the status quo. Here lies Xsplat, the anti-evolution reactionary. Is this all there is? Perhaps.

    Granted, a mark of a successful organism is adherence to the principle of “Adapt Or Die”. But humans are unique in that they are not beholden to accepting the status quo. Accepting the environment. Moral sentiments and self-reflexive *judgement* is possible to us. Perhaps it requires extensive genetic engineering. But so what.

    If women’s atavistic cravings for gina tingles draws the best and brightest of this species towards a dead end of fucking and debauchery, in effect forsaking whatever noble plans they once contemplated, do you consider this Good?

    OK drunk now. Signing off.

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  155. on May 21, 2010 at 1:45 am xsplat

    Tupac, no matter where you want to go, you have to start with where you are.

    Female nature is neither good nor bad, anymore than sunshine is good or bad.

    Betas start with where they want to go, but you can’t get there from here.

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  156. on May 21, 2010 at 2:12 am Polymath

    xsplat,

    Your statement

    Any conquest reflects more on my skill and personality that way. But unlike some, I’m no purist about it. There are no rules and there is no such thing as cheating.

    almost contradicts your agreement with ahappinessexperiment that girls you have to get with drugs are unworthy.

    What makes these statements compatible is that, although you don’t like druggie girls, you would not regard using drugs to get them as “cheating”. ahappinessexperiment is criticizing their value as evidence of pickup skills or alpha appeal, rather than their overall undesirability. So you are both right.

    On the other hand, true 9-10s are desirable enough to justify a little illegality. The biggest problem is they won’t stay 9-10 for long if they are drugging much.

    You are quite right that it is much better to get the girl addicted to you than to use their existing addiction to a drug. I have been getting much better at sensing the chemistry and can now tell when my wife is soaring on my male pheromones, and even where I am exuding them most intensely, from the way she inhales me. It is complete dominance, her willpower goes to zero and she almost always has to go to sleep afterwards.

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  157. on May 21, 2010 at 2:16 am Tupac Chopra

    Sexual cannibalism is common among mantises in captivity, and under some circumstances may also be observed in the field. The female may start feeding by biting off the male’s head (as with any prey), and if mating had begun, the male’s movements may become even more vigorous in its delivery of sperm. Early researchers thought that because copulatory movement is controlled by ganglion in the abdomen, not the head, removal of the male’s head was a reproductive strategy by females to enhance fertilisation while obtaining sustenance. Later, this behaviour appeared to be an artifact of intrusive laboratory observation. Whether the behaviour in the field is natural, or also the result of distractions caused by the human observer, remains controversial. Mantises are highly visual organisms, and notice any disturbance occurring in the laboratory or field such as bright lights or moving scientists. Research by Liske and Davis (1987) and others found (e.g. using video recorders in vacant rooms) that Chinese mantises that had been fed ad libitum (so that they were not starving) actually displayed elaborate courtship behavior when left undisturbed. The male engages the female in courtship dance, to change her interest from feeding to mating. Courtship display has also been observed in other species, but it does not hold for all mantises.

    The reason for sexual cannibalism has been debated, with some considering submissive males to be achieving a selective advantage in their ability to produce offspring. This theory is supported by a quantifiable increase in the duration of copulation among males who are cannibalized, in some cases doubling both the duration and the chance of fertilization. This is further supported in a study where males were seen to approach hungry females with more caution, and were shown to remain mounted on hungry females for a longer time, indicating that males actively avoiding cannibalism may mate with multiple females. The act of dismounting is one of the most dangerous times for males during copulation, for it is at this time that females most frequently cannibalize their mates. This increase in mounting duration was thought to indicate that males would be more prone to wait for an opportune time to dismount from a hungry female rather than from a satiated female that would be less likely to cannibalize her mate. Some consider this to be an indication that male submissiveness does not inherently increase male reproductive success, rather that more fit males are likely to approach a female with caution and escape.

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  158. on May 21, 2010 at 2:36 am xsplat

    Polymath

    I have been getting much better at sensing the chemistry and can now tell when my wife is soaring on my male pheromones, and even where I am exuding them most intensely, from the way she inhales me.

    Yup – sniff kissing is a sure sign that the girl is into you. It’s also a great way to display passion. I only get serious with girls whose smell intoxicates me. There is nothing on earth that can compare to the scent of a womans neck, when that woman is in love with you and exactly your chemistry.

    THAT is why I don’t believe in e-love. Until you can smell it, it’s not real. Not real enough to count.

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  159. on May 21, 2010 at 2:49 am ephebophile

    @Gorbachev

    Online dating in Korea is like a Hot Poon Machine.

    Australia is a very unusual place, its more primeval then western Europe or the US. Something about the place makes women very sexually accommodating/aggressive.

    There is also a remarkable attraction feedback loop wrt american & australian accents. Its akin to the latin lathario phenomenom.

    HeadGame isn’t really necessary, being able to talk is.
    Online its really easy to get it going, but even better in the bars & clubs.

    Expect to have to deck guys, and get punched… its like a hand shake. Wimps need not apply for a visa. If you want to bed a gal down under, just ask.

    They have an appreciation for directness & frankness.

    Sydney > Perth

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  160. on May 21, 2010 at 2:54 am Vincent Ignatius

    Damn, you’re like the Dali of game.

    “titty fucking. love it or hate it?”
    I’m definitely using this line.

    For the first email
    She often follows through, but at the last minute she flakes or attempts to make changes to my plans.

    When a girl tries to change plans, just say no, and tell her to have fun alone or with her friends that night, whatever the case may be. She’ll mostly like agree to your original plan or if she goes ahead without you, she’ll be thinking about you all night and want to bang you later.

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  161. on May 21, 2010 at 4:27 am Paul

    Wordplay is nice but sometimes a quasi violent reaction is best. Use wordplay to reach a breaking point of physical violence.

    Either she will leave or react to your physical superiority with astonishing sex.

    With girls who are just fuck buddies physical violence is gold.

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  162. on May 21, 2010 at 4:58 am xsplat

    Doug1 and thealchem1st, thanks for the helpful links.

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  163. on May 21, 2010 at 7:13 am JB

    Gorbachev: any cultural peculiarities to know about when gaming Korean and Japanese chicks?

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  164. on May 21, 2010 at 11:30 am B.

    Door Pattern? What’s the best primer on non-creepy NLP for someone who has had zero exposure to that kind of stuff and is trying to work out if he needs to learn it?

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  165. on May 21, 2010 at 2:04 pm Sniper

    Tupac Chopra,

    “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries of life disappear and life stands explained.”

    I know, and that’s why I love it.

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  166. on May 21, 2010 at 5:12 pm Gorbachev

    @JB
    Gorbachev: any cultural peculiarities to know about when gaming Korean and Japanese chicks?

    Here or there? It’s different. Here, there’s no scarcity: You’re not special. Standard game applies.

    There: You’re scarce. You really are gracing them with your presence. It’s actually true.

    In both cases:

    1) Korean: They have ultra-high I’mNotASlut metres, but it’s razor thin. Just make them comfortable, be the Nice Guy, but be Male, and they love sex. Also, they understand the whole No Strings concept very well.
    For LTRs, expect major flaking, endless shittests, verging on abuse; be tough like diamonds.
    For STRs, which are more likely, resist the urge to spend on her; small things only. As soon as you get something bigger, that’s the new minimum standard. The object is to set up this scenario: the prize for being with me is Me.
    For hookups, they just want to fuck. The more you’re A Man, the more they like it. Very matter-of-fact. And in the bedroom, be matter-of-fact, maybe a little touchy-feely, but be male.

    Once you get her there, unless she’s very young and virginal, she knows why she’s there and she expects you to take charge.

    They’re VERY feminine. They’re with you because they want a Man.

    Expect to pay for things, it’s just the way it goes (love hotel in Korea, coffee or inexpensive food here). Chicks just don’t pay for shit. Anything, ever. Cultural thing. There’s no feminism.

    Occasionally surprise her by doing what she wants. But they constantly measure their man in ways American and western chicks don’t.

    If you think Western women test the Betatude of men, just wait for Koreans. They LOVE it when you’re Alpha, but you have to prove it constantly.

    They ASSUME you just want to sleep with them. You can fight this perception, if you want, but there’s no point. They can’t marry you. Best approach: Play it up. Maybe you’re looking for a STR. But be male. Obviously, you just want to bed her, but this is actually OK, despite appearances. Don’t let the situation fool you.

    Around her friends, she’ll be – oh no, he’s just a playboy. Privately, believe me, she’ll be texting you and calling you.

    I’ve seen this so many dozens of times it’s old hat to me. I assume any woman, taken or not, will be likely to sleep with me. I’m usually right.

    CHIVALRY: CAN work, once you’ve shown your Alpha creds. Especially good after you’ve just fucked her for 5 hours. She expects a man to be reasonably generous and soliciting after she’s just let him fuck her all night. Small things, but consistent: subway fare if you get there first, cab fare , whatever. Not much, but symbolic tokens. Show her you’re a gentleman.

    That’s the See You Next Time move. You go from ONS to Nice Guy – Good to Hang Out With. Once you’re Good to Hang Out With, you have a FWB right away. There’s your Monday nights seen to.

    Upside: They will almost certainly fuck you, hard, all night, gladly, and repeatedly. And they’re feminine.
    Downside: They’re feminine. Being a Man means you have to be a Man, in a traditional sense, too.

    ** Pump – And – Dumps are what asshole Koreans and Japanese guys (Especially) do. Give her more than this, and you’re GOLD.

    Who To Bed

    Here: If you game them here, note that there’s a minor subset of Koreans who are virgins when they marry. They have to marry by 30. The virgins aren’t usually the hot ones, but it happens. There’s a lot of weird over-religiosity in Korea. They all put on the I’mNotASlut mask, but these ones really aren’t. For the healthy of your karmic soul, don’t touch these. Also complications ensue.

    Assume anyone in a club, especially if they’re dressed up or tarted, will fuck you gladly if they’re attracted to you.

    Boyfriends: Assume that a girl not currently with her BF is completely game. Koreans do. They fuck around on each other almost freely; they can spend 1-2 years apart, and still be together, but it’s understood that they’re banging everything they see. It’s the “We’re Ultra Conservative” mask.
    It’s absolutely untrue. It’s a total lie. But it keeps their society running. They fuck like bunnies.

    Going abroad and taking on multiple foreign boyfriends is standard for Koreans. For “Boyfriend” insert “Regular Fuck Buddy”.

    Watch for morphing into actual BF. This can happen if you get too clingy.

    Koreans LOVE smart guys, but remember: their own men are often quasi-gay in appearance and behaviour. Their own men are useless (I hear this all the time), especially in bed. Be masculine and work it. But be gentlemanly. The first gives you priority, the second gets you appreciation.

    Unless you’re after a relationship, be careful: Don’t try to impress with credentials (important for Koreans) or whatnot.
    But it’s good to have a university degree as a minimum. In Korean society, if you don’t have this, you’re garbage. Not Quite Human. It’s a very rigidly class-bases system, based on educational credentials. The minimum entry requirement to be considered Human is University Degree. Anything else is a member of a servile caste.

    BE FOREIGN. Don’t try to be Korean; be appreciative, learn some of the language, etc., but don’t pretend. They want the foreigner, give it to them.

    You want a FWB? Fuck properly. No guilt, spend as much time on her as possible. You’ll get repeated callbacks. SHE will call YOU. All the time. You’ll literally be servicing her while she doesn’t sluttily sleep with her Korean BF (which she will have to get, and married by 30). Her Korean BF has to think she’s a nice girl. You know better.

    OLDER Koreans: Ajumas (30+, married)
    Most married Koreans are having mediocre or no sex with their husbands. Getting them to sleep with you is almost painfully easy, if you follow the routines and absolutely respect the boundaries. Put yourself out there; be with them; make it clear you’re available but discreet. DO NOT be part of their social circles (they keep it all very segregated).
    They’re often very hot waay into their late 30’s. And starving.

    Always be a nice guy. This gets you callbacks.

    There’s a myth that foreigners have 1) big dicks (often true), and 2) are more gentlemanly and 3) Are much better in bed.

    Live up to these and your poon train comes in regularly.

    2) Japanese: Compared to Koreans, nakedly slutty. They DO have a Higher Value rating: they fuck, but they do it upwards. When it comes to sex, the sexual marketplace in Japan is a vicious game. LOOK GOOD. They’re had sex with foreigners before.

    The rule is Bring It. These are not waifs, as a rule; they know the score. They’re willing to go to bed with you right away, as a rule. First night sex is standard. If by the third time you’ve met alone you haven’t gone to bed, it’s done.

    If you aren’t going to bed with them, they’re fucking someone else. They probably are, anyway. They’ve all had huge amounts of sex; some of it has been pretty funky. Expect her to be experienced. It’ll be obvious. Probably more experienced than you.

    You’re at your top form here. Be a good, discreet, aggressive and hyper-male lover, and you’ll get her all the time.

    Watch out for the whole lolita thing. I personally hate it when the Japanese girl acts like a 12-year-old being raped; Japanese guys love this.

    When she realizes she can get involved and you’re letting her be a slut, she gets MUCH more wet.

    SEX AND GUILT

    Sex is not in any way associated with guilt in Japan. NEVER play to her virginal ImNotASlut mask. As soon as you’re having sex, assume she wants to have sex and don’t pretend to assuage her guilt. She opens up right away.

    Remember: This is the same society that sells girls’ underwear from vending machines. She’s probably been laid more than you.

    EXPECTATIONS:

    Expect extremely good and frequent sex, if you let her open up and not play to the Lolita complex of Japanese men.

    NOTE:

    Actual relationships require a completely different type of game. Sex is a marketplace, almost literally; Japanese women have no illusions about modesty or the value of virginity or being a good girl. HOWEVER, they’re not going to just let you in. You have to prove that you’re worthy.

    1) be male, 2) Don’t be an ass (as they say, be polite, have good manners), 3) Be seriously into sex, 4) Take charge, but 5) Be respectful, 6) Look good, 7) HYGIENE.

    WHATEVER YOU DO

    Don’t assume any rule applies because of the culture. Be – if not chivalrous – then gentlemanly.

    They LOVE the idea of the big, strong guy who treats them like a delicate flower. They LOVE to be feminine.

    Once you start romancing the Koreans or Japanese, you’ll find it disappointing to go back to the quasi-feminine trollops you find in the West.

    These women really know how to be women.

    I’m just shocked that mixed marriages and babies aren’t leaving Western women in the genetic dust pool yet.

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  167. on May 21, 2010 at 9:14 pm JB

    Much appreciated, Gorbachev. Sounds like my cup of tea.

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  168. on May 21, 2010 at 9:59 pm walawala

    @Gorbachev

    Very accurate assessment.

    Much of this applies to women in China and Greater China.

    In China, this is largely applicable. Men are resentful of foreigners fucking their women.

    For the women in China/Greater China, once they fuck a foreigner, they rarely go back. Marriage is not so enshrined in say Hong Kong where women are becoming more financially independent and hence sexually liberated. The fact that Hong Kong, Taiwan are more open to the west means it’s not so unusual.

    The fucking within your social circle thing…not such a good idea. The women want to make sure there’s a clear line and often ignore you in public only to fuck you in private.

    Also, women will be much more slutty with foreign guys who they don’t regard as so judgemental.

    Game applies here too. Women love being teased, gamed, negs work, the whole comfort thing.

    But women do draw a line…if you become too cagey or cocky, it can be a turn off. It’s very calibrated and dependent on the girl.

    Looks are not so important, and women here tend to also go for herbs or betas because they do struggle for control. But that’s a group to leave out of game.

    Women are more domineering: shit tests…TONS of shit tests…the more you pass them the better off you’ll be, but sometimes it’s impossible. Best to cut losses early. That tends to get them calling you.

    In China and Greater China, Korean and Japanese girls are more desirable because they dress better and are frankly more fun.

    Korean and Japanese who live in Asia but OUTSIDE their countries are the BEST. They embody all those things you mentioned…but are completely free of the cultural constraints.

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  169. on May 21, 2010 at 10:55 pm walawala

    @Gorbachev to continue

    In Greater China, women often ask: “What are Korean girls/Japanese girls like in bed?”….

    I’ve found that my game here was so natural and easy that I never thought much about it.

    Then I had a train-wreck where I was out-gamed and tried to figure out why.

    Game has upped my opportunities and made me that much more successful and polished.

    The biggest learning of game was “shit tests”….I now get that…and navigate them more. Much better.

    I recently overcame LMR by following Mystery’s method….”We shouldn’t be doing this….” “Yes, we shouldn’t….[keep going]”

    The Roissy-method works wonders here with some modifications.

    I’ve used nearly all the suggestions and structures with great impact:

    “Instilling dread”….it’s amazing the impact this has

    “Don’t reply regularly”….they expect this and if you do it for any other reason other than absolutely necessary, you lose hand.

    On flakes…..have found the “Please no gameplaying” text/message worked wonders. With one married woman I was gaming who kept flaking on me, I sent her this message. It was like a cattle prod. She immediately apologized, rearranged her schedule and I banged her immediately. She even brought it up when she came over.

    For the second one I used it on….it brought up her anti-slut-shield and she backed off, so it was a worthwhile exercise in weeding out who’s who.

    Also…Chinese women have a kind of weird persona where when they’re being gamed, they’re cool…often after you bang them a few times, they start getting all flakey, weird, girly, trying to make you jealous. The shit tests increase… That’s where you have to increase your game 100-fold.

    In one case, a girl I had been banging here suddenly did that girly thing. I dumped her….she kept banging me without the girly thing but it gave me full license to bang other chicks and she understood that. It was like she had to work that much harder to get me back.

    Maybe that’s a peculiarity between Chinese and Korean women. Korean women tend to be much better and smoother, Chinese women are a bit clunky and crude in their responses….often socially awkward.

    They love IM, text…not so much phone. I think a reason could be that speaking in English would be a giveaway to their friends they’re talking to a guy they’re banging….so Online game is vital.

    Trial-texting works.

    Giving your number or card also works. If you do that, 9/10 times they’ll sms or email you. The initial outreach will be all girly “Oh, so nice to meet you, hope to see you dear”.

    Also, they use the word “friend” a lot to guys they like or will LJBF temporarily as a shit-test. “We’re friends”…..can have double-meaning and it’s important to see the body language. Often it’s a form of last minute resistance. This is one area I have trouble with….It’s ok to fuck your “friends”….except sometimes you don’t…. It’s a form of control they try to maintain.

    Also, the unspoken is as important as the spoken….kino works a charm because Chinese guys don’t do it. If you touch a girl, they will respond immediately.

    Chinese girls also complain….a lot….more than any other woman I’ve ever met. Even when they’re happy, it’s temporary. They’re the most neurotic, flakey, emotionally volatile, group I’ve ever known to the point that many foreign guys will avoid as much as possible in favour of their Korean and Japanese sisters who are truly the rare orchids.

    Over to you Gorby…

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  170. on May 22, 2010 at 6:13 am Gorbachev

    @walawala
    In Greater China, women often ask: “What are Korean girls/Japanese girls like in bed?”….

    I’ve had this too. Japanese but especially Korean women are in huge demand in Asia. When you travel to Thailand or China with a Korean paramour, the men you meet are in awe. They’d cut off their left testicle to fuck her. Seriously, Korean girls are considered the pick of the Asian crop. Japanese second only to Koreans, because they’re seen as hugely slutty (absolutely true), which is a turn-off, but it’s true that any Chinese guy would consider himself a King to have a pretty Japanese girlfriend.

    As a foreigner banging a Korean or Japanese, they’ll be hugely jealous. Watch out (in Korea: I’m not kidding, it can get ugly if you hit on a girl in a bar at times and the soju has been going around liberally; you can lose jobs because the men loathe you; their wives are screwing foreigners).

    I’ve found that my game here was so natural and easy that I never thought much about it.
    As a Western guy, you’re 2 points ahead to begin. Adding game makes you a 10 if you were a 6.


    The biggest learning of game was “shit tests”….I now get that…and navigate them more. Much better.

    As I said, too, SHIT TESTS. Endless, fucking brutal shit tests, tiresome tedious shit tests all day every day. Dial your Immunity up to 150%.

    I recently overcame LMR by following Mystery’s method….”We shouldn’t be doing this….” “Yes, we shouldn’t….[keep going]”

    It’s the taking charge thing. I do this frequently.

    Situation: LMR
    Modus Operandi: Look straight in the eyes; look like you have to have her. You need her. Intent. Kiss her; don’t rush it; be insistent; she should feel like if you don’t have her, you’ll drown. She should think you just can’t resist her. It’s because it’s HER. Not because she’s a hot girl. Because she’s the hottest thing in the world.

    At this point, you’re one of the heroes off the over of a romance novel, sweeping the girl off of her feet. You might as well brand her pussy with your name.

    It’s absolute, complete sexual ownership. This will rarely, if ever, happen as completely with a Western girl.

    “Instilling dread”….it’s amazing the impact this has

    Yup, Walawala. This is the best tool. Most of their interaction is shit-testing; they’re at war with men. If they think they over-did it, they try to claw you back.

    “Don’t reply regularly”….they expect this and if you do it for any other reason other than absolutely necessary, you lose hand.

    And keep your messages short. To the point. Almost curt. Matter-of fact. Occasionally funny.

    Want to spice it up? Occasionally send a message, about something not related to hooking up. Completely randomly. And don’t follow it up when she replies.

    Nothing too solicitous. Just random thoughts. Sometimes make her wonder where you are.

    On bus, going somewhere in middle of day, sending text:
    Me: “Ajuma hair. It’s everywhere.”
    Her: “Are you outside? Where are you this afternoon?”
    Me: No reply.

    * Ajuma hairstyles look like frizzy afros: Any woman over about 35. It’s the national Middle Aged Woman look.

    A random Saturday night (girl I only see on Tuesday/Wedn.):

    Me: “I think soju w/o food makes me sick.”
    Her: “What kind of soju? Where are you tonight?”
    Me: No response.

    Also…Chinese women have a kind of weird persona where when they’re being gamed, they’re cool…often after you bang them a few times, they start getting all flakey, weird, girly, trying to make you jealous. The shit tests increase… That’s where you have to increase your game 100-fold.

    I haven’t noticed this with Korean or Japanese chicks, and my limited experience in (big Chinese city) suggests it’s because they’re BFing you. Watch out for this.

    Maybe that’s a peculiarity between Chinese and Korean women. Korean women tend to be much better and smoother, Chinese women are a bit clunky and crude in their responses….often socially awkward.

    The few times I’ve games women in China, I’ve noticed a few things. At the end of this comment. Chinese are very crude by comparison, generally.

    Also, they use the word “friend” a lot to guys they like or will LJBF temporarily as a shit-test.

    The LJBF thing *IS* a shit-test. You’re the Rare Foreigner. Always assume they will fuck you.

    “We’re friends”…..can have double-meaning and it’s important to see the body language. Often it’s a form of last minute resistance. This is one area I have trouble with….It’s ok to fuck your “friends”….except sometimes you don’t…. It’s a form of control they try to maintain.

    This is Slut Resistance. My rule: Assume it’s not there. Always look like you want to fuck them, but in a distant, Alpha kind of way: I can fuck you, or not. Up to you. Never buy into the LJBF thing. Women who resist for a month may just be in a bad situation. Stay on their A Guy I Can Fuck list, and it may eventually pay off.

    Also, the unspoken is as important as the spoken….kino works a charm because Chinese guys don’t do it. If you touch a girl, they will respond immediately.

    This is true in Korea, too. The best thing is that as a foreigner, you’re expected not to follow the rules.
    Hug or embrace a Korean girl (don’t hesitate: Make it look like this is the only way to greet someone), a light semi-air kiss on the cheek, whatever. Touch a lot. Asian men can’t do it.

    *You* can get away with it. It gives you a major advantage.

    NOTE: it’s always inappropriate for Koreans to do this. This is why no matter how much you acculturate, always, always be The Foreigner.

    Chinese girls also complain….a lot….more than any other woman I’ve ever met. Even when they’re happy, it’s temporary. They’re the most neurotic, flakey, emotionally volatile, group I’ve ever known to the point that many foreign guys will avoid as much as possible in favour of their Korean and Japanese sisters who are truly the rare orchids.
    Over to you Gorby…

    I have less experience with Chinese women in China; some, but what I’ve had has been this:

    – Chinese tend to be much less experienced, much more passive, and much less interesting lovers
    – Like Walawala said, they flake more easily

    – They’re much harder to control, sexually. Korean women will devote themselves to a guy who fucks them properly. You get frequent and reliable callbacks. Japanese will too, but they can get sex anywhere anytime they want, and you’re less valuable. Chinese, … they shit test a lot more. Other things seem to be more important to them, they pay lip service to the idea that you have to be a species of BF. Koreans and Japanese generally won’t, if you play it right.

    – Chinese girls in big cities sleep around a lot. Watch out for girls who want you to buy them things or treat them like a tarted up GF. Sex, BFs and prostitution are all confused right now. Watch out. If you confuse anything with your GF, she can take offense, get all huffy and traditional (flake), or get mercilessly clingy. I NEVER buy them anything not related to the date (club admission; hotel; coffee; ice cream, etc.).

    If I really like them, I might buy an inexpensive piece of jewelry for them something simple but nice. It has to be random, and rare. Never connect it to something she did.

    Same as dog training:

    If it’s random, you get maximum dopamine response. They can never expect when it’s going to happen. Makes them stick to you like glue. Guaranteed higher volume of callbacks.

    – Chinese girls can go “crazy” – if they think you “cheated” them, if they expected anything from you, and you stupidly led them to believe anything – even that a STR would turn into a slightly longer STR, that you’d go to a specific place, if you break up with them, if you get upset at something they did as a pretense because you want to get rid of them, …
    they can do crazy shit: Come to your place at midnight and bang on the door; follow you around; call a thousand times; scream at you in public, cry in public, hit you in public.

    Unlike Japanese or Korean girls, they’re rougher, much less polished, and more prone to crass manipulation (as opposed to carefully crafted, surgical-like manipulation). Korean girls wield manipulation like a scalpel. Watch out for it. No serious craziness, but watch out for subtle machinations.

    – Koreans and Japanese are generally MUCH more sophisticated and nuanced in their responses to sex and dating. Same goes for actually fucking them.

    – Koreans won’t try to LTR you, as a rule. It’s really, really hard for them to date you.
    – Japanese are used to NS sex; it’s mostly what they do. So they generally won’t LTR you.
    – Chinese girls annoyingly seem to try to give you tests as if they’re going to LTR you; they want gifts more (so much fucking hint dropping, it’s painful. Always ignore.).
    They coo when you give them things, sort-of like pigeons.

    Koreans and Japanese like gifts, too, but you’re generally not LTR material. Or even STR. They don’t want anything from you but your dick and your time and your attention.

    Chinese girls, … seem to be more like status-whores than others.

    *** IN LTRS
    Koreans and Japanese are the ultimate status-whores in LTRs.

    In Korea, EVERYTHING revolves around money and social status. Get into a LTR in Korea carefully and understand the rules. Her social value entirely depends on YOUR social value. Marry one, and it’s worse. You’ll be Keeping Up With the Kims all day every day for the rest of your life.

    Japanese girls are more circumspect about this, but watch out: Screw with them and they’re fucking your best friend all afternoon. Never fuck with them. Their level of respect for you determines their sexual loyalty.
    You never really own it.

    NOTE ON SEX

    Hey,

    And for guys who like sex: Koreans beat Western girls in every possible category. (Not including the 30% or so who are inexperienced, conservative or religious, though the religious can surprise you by being extra slutty).

    Hotness: Spend some time in Korea. It’s insane. At night, in the markets, wandering in Gangnam, you get whiplash. Every girl you see seems no less than a 7, many of them easily 9s. Okay, so there’s a lot of silicon breasts, but even without them, it’s unreal.

    If you’ve never been, you don’t believe me. Just try it.

    DC seems like Moo Moo Central.
    NYC is an Ugly Convention.
    Don’t even mention Middle America.
    L.A. comes close, but not quite.

    And after hotness, there’s actual sex.

    Enthusiasm, raw sex, BJs, refined and touching sex, erotic sex, quick and easy fucking, crazy positions, endless orgasms, quickie sex.

    They’re so much better in bed than Western girls, when you find good ones, you just don’t want to leave.

    If you manage a small harem, you have so much mind-blowing sex, when you come back to the West the technically okay but lacklustre sex seems almost like a pale shadow of what you had.

    For about six months I managed different appointments every night or second night; sometimes more than one. This is no PUA exaggeration. It’s actually true.

    And the women are wonderful, when you know how to play their man. They truly love it.

    There’s no reason to marry a Western woman. They’re a total wastes of time, unless you happen to find yourself in the West.

    American girls should be insanely jealous. Guys who go to Japan or Korea (China?), … to them, American girls are just a consolation prize.

    And I haven’t even gotten to, oh, say, Germany yet.

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  171. on May 22, 2010 at 8:53 am GT

    Situation #2 describes my situation almost to a “T” and I find it incredible that I’m not the only one who is going through that.

    The only exception is that I’m currently banging a second chick (she’s married btw).

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  172. on May 22, 2010 at 2:29 pm walawala

    @Gorby

    Only a few more things to add. I was married to a Japanese woman. We had a very amicable divorce but she was gone baby gone as soon as the papers were signed and married another bloke within 3 months. I didn’t care because I was shagging as well, but…stilll….3 months?

    With Chinese girls, it’s bad form to shag more than one in your social circle….they love the drama of being the “secret” one who’s banging the foreigner….

    Some are just plain afraid of foreigners…they’re the ones lacking in self confidence.

    One I was gaming, I said “You really don’t have any experience with foreign guys do you?” (my version of a shit test) Lots of questions following that…”why you say that? What you mean??” Frame control.

    They are more nuts….angry, jealous, weirded out…A few great ones over the years:

    Her: calling me up on the phone: “I’m not talking to you….”

    Me: “So why did you call me then?”

    Her: Uh….silence,

    Another one showed up at my house after I broke up with her wanting an “explanation”…..she sat outside my house until I got home…then waited until the real estate agent, the plumber and whoever else had to be there that day….left before crying and berating me…not cool.

    They lack the “class” tha Korean girls have…they dress worse unless they’ve been educated overseas, and even then….their fashion sense is in their mouths…

    They do tend to want to try all manner of sexual activity …at first….they’ll let you tie them up, shave their pussies, etc…then after about a month…the get bored of sex….then you need to disappear….then…they come around again…rinse and repeat.

    In some cases they do disappear for good…which is ok too. They tend to get angry and stay angry for long periods of time….sometimes a year or more…then in many cases, I’ve received an email or sms out of the blue on some premise which very often will lead to a meeting, then more gaming, then more sex.

    But you have to be gaming several at the same time to be happy.

    Their Anti-slut-shield comes up way too often so even though they impulsively shag your brains out….they try to withold sex…which means it’s time to split….

    Never make the mistake (as I have done recently) of liking them…caring for them…The minute you get feelings for them….you’re gone…they will play you so much….you will become the neediest worst beta loser ever.

    I was gaming (or maybe she was gaming me) a very hot psychiatrist. She let me know she had a “friend”, male of course…who she was “hanging with”…

    I disappeared. She got that. A few weeks later she asked me why I was suddenly so scarce….

    I answered directly: “you’re seeing another guy” BIG MISTAKE…NEVER EVER TELL A CHINESE GIRL WHAT YOU ARE THINKING…

    Her response: “Oh…well, you were a bit vague with me….so ….

    Nice one…I was the one being gamed was my problem.

    I really do need to find a hot Korean girl here…

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  173. on May 22, 2010 at 3:38 pm Gorbachev

    @walawala,

    I stay in Korea a lot. I go to China sometimes. I never stayed long enough to get substantial experience.

    But my limited experience jibes with yours.

    Chinese women game guys like pros. You have to basicaly NOT LIKE THEM. Remember; Especially in Shanghai (also Beijing), women manipulate men to get what they want. They almost always win. The only way to be immune to this is to not care.

    Aloofness is your air.

    I fell for this twice.

    First time, I was gamed hard by a super hot Chinese woman (9 if there ever was one. Natural. Throw yourself on the fire for) who just reamed me. My brain was non-functional. She was exquisite. And she knew it. Despite myself, she just owned me. I have never been so thoroughly tooled.

    She gamed me like I was… oh, like a girl I gamed a few years ago. Touche.

    She got me to take her traveling for a romantic tour of southern China; it happened to stop by a “friend’s” home. When we got back, I found out she was gaming not just me, but another guy. She went traveling with him 5 days after we got back from a 1-week trip. The “friend’s home” was a mutual friend of theirs. On our trip, she’d been tooling me in front of my eyes.

    She did the same thing, I think, to the other guy.

    Hot Chinese women (especially 8+) are poison. They know exactly how to grab your testicles and put them on their trophy shelf.

    Men are just too weak. This one would have pwned Roissy himself. Possibly even Mystery. I had no chance.

    She screamed delightfully. It was agonizing.

    I became the worst mewling beta when I was denied. It’s humiliating.

    The second time the girl wasn’t as hot; actually, plain (6). But she was sweet, and charming, and hopelessly bright. When she smiled I felt a warm glow. She was great in bed. I thought she fell in love with me. I let go a little bit.

    MAN was that a bad move. Eaten alive.

    She dumped me two months later as a weak chump.

    Sometimes it just gets you.

    Chinese girls: major game. When you go up against it, remember this, what a Chinese friend told me about Chinese girls:

    Chinese girls are at war with men. Never turn your back.

    And never, ever, ever tell them what you’re thinking. You’re toast.

    Find a Korean girl there. Usually hot, usually pliable, don’t want you except for the time they’re there, won’t tool you.

    As much.

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  174. on May 22, 2010 at 6:23 pm xsplat

    Gorbachev, I’ve really been enjoying reading your posts. You’re dating and mating trajectory has mirrored mine – except that 5 years have passed since I last had the non-monogamous lifestyle. After these years of serial monogamy, I think it’s time to jump back into that flow.

    Gorbachev

    Modus Operandi: Look straight in the eyes; look like you have to have her. You need her. Intent. Kiss her; don’t rush it; be insistent; she should feel like if you don’t have her, you’ll drown. She should think you just can’t resist her. It’s because it’s HER. Not because she’s a hot girl. Because she’s the hottest thing in the world.

    At this point, you’re one of the heroes off the over of a romance novel, sweeping the girl off of her feet. You might as well brand her pussy with your name.
    …
    This is Slut Resistance. My rule: Assume it’s not there. Always look like you want to fuck them, but in a distant, Alpha kind of way: I can fuck you, or not. Up to you.

    The concept of aloofness is one that’s difficult to convey to younger guys who are just learning about what attitudes to internalize. I think some get a mistaken notion, and think they are supposed to be emotionless. You’ve done a good job of expressing the attitude here – James Bond horny yet not needy. Able to overwhelm the girl with intense passion. Or not.

    Some people think being immovable is the frame. Not moving at all.

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  175. on May 22, 2010 at 11:50 pm walawala

    @Gorby…

    Your number 2 is the one the really watch out for here…The 6.5’s/7’s… Taiwanese and Hong Kong women as well. Hong Kong women are in the middle of that continuum but their passive-aggressiveness knows no bounds. I’m convinced that in addition to gunpowder, paper money and noodles, Chinese women invented game and passive-aggressiveness.

    When I began understanding game a few months ago, I started to see how good they are and how they rationalize and lie like no other woman on earth.

    No….she never liked you…she was just being your “friend”…all that time you spent together…no, that was YOU not her….YOU misunderstood….YOU were the one who was rude…YOU YOU YOU ( Yu Yu Yu?)

    I’ve since learned that you cannot acknowledge the “thing”…whatever it is that’s the issue betwee you two…

    Also, Chinese women tend to act the opposite to the way they feel….IF they’re gaming you.

    So if they like you…they’ll act squirrley and ignore you.

    If they don’t like you…they’ll treat you like their brother…

    They also use the word “gor gor”…with guys….which means a few things: “brother”….or “Big guy” or “friend”…or “someone I super respect”.

    My friend’s 2 year old uses it with me…and girls use this with guys. Chinese is an ambiguous language….no verb tenses, no articles…it’s all in the tonality. That’s why sarcasm and irony are virtually non-existent.

    Do the obvious thing that a guy would do with them….and they’ll fry you.

    Ignore them…and maybe…evenutally…they’ll come back.

    But always ALWAYS be gaming them.

    It’s frankly tiring. The one now who suddenly spooked…when I see her, she deliberately avoids eye contact, turns her head when I walk by etc.

    At first…I started getting beta-ish and asked for help here.

    Now…I get it….I just carry on…and drive her fucking mental: Sit near her…so she feels compelled to get up and leave. I’m insider her head.

    I talk to her friends…make them laugh…her face turns red.

    On any chat forum she happens to be on where there’s common issues…I always make some general, funny comment on the photo, or whatever knowing that it always ends up in her mailbox….

    It’s psy-ops 3.0

    Psy-ops…and Chinese girls…Nothing they do is by accident….NOTHING….it’s all calculated. They don’t accidently show up somewhere. If they’re beside you….they meant to be there.

    If they brush up against you…it’s not random. You confront them directly….You’re crazy.

    Gaming Chinese girls follows this pattern:

    Eye contact/contact >girl gives IOI’s…[use of word ‘friend’ here to keep it ambiguous] > Girl makes forward approach usually asking you why you haven’t invited them to do something: cook, dance, drink, whatever…they like it when you cook so they can invite themselves to your place> interest peaks: usually the time when THEY confess feelings, kiss shag you> your cool aloofness shield drops and you respond….BANG…dynamic immediately changes> they scale back interest> you ramp up interest, more calls, invites > They pull back >you start going mental: gifts…cards…flowers…and this is where you are fooled into thinking there’s some cultural dynamic you’re missing> they disappear, show up with other guy, shag other guy…make it seem you imagined all the other stuff…> you pull back > they ramp up interest….rinse and repeat.

    Ever heard of Gaslighting? That’s Chinese girl game.

    Also…Chinese girls have elephantine memories…they never forget anything…ANYTHING…you’ll hear about some funny, stupid, sexy whatever thing you said a year ago.

    One Chinese girl who followed that pattern to a “t” brought up once that I had asked her “what kind of guy are you interested in?” a year earlier and that’s what hooked her into thinking we had some long-term prospect…. I couldn’t remember it.

    Another girl could remember and brought up what I was wearing on the day I made some neg that got her interested. Or hurt her feelings or whatever.

    A good way to start is to tell them they’re “ma faan” or trouble up front. That gets them interested. It’s a qualifying line. “I’m NOT Ma faan…only you say this….” (then see above pattern)

    They’re overly emotional…supremely pragmatic…sexy and then frumpy…

    They love when foreign guys are unpreditable or ignore them or stand up to them…even though they may in fact hate it at the time.

    They will remind you (see elephantine memory paragraph) some ass hole thing you did …with fondness when they resume contact.

    If they break up with you…which they will…and you let them go…they boomerang.

    That’s why the “You lost me” line I think has better resonance here than it would on other women. That idea of “losing” something gets them mental because they’re so competitive. The one I used it on…flew into a rage and now “actively” ignores me…which means I’m in her head.

    Chinese girls also understand “attraction” and can recite the 3 elements of it with little prompting. Chinese guys…don’t get it…

    They buy shit for girls, they supplicate….I saw a guy giving girl actively ignoring me now, a back massage, at a party. While another guy brought that same girl a drink. WTF????

    On Valentine’s Day here, stores jack up flower prices and it becomes a competition among the office girls on who will get the biggest bouquet.

    Girls’ desks look like the day Secretariat won the Kentucky Derby…or Mao’s funeral bier.

    That sad thing is most of these girls don’t even appreciate the money on them. These flowers are dumped.

    Chinese guys also believe attraction is based on “doing” things for women…so they create a dynamic where they are like older brothers…teaching them things: dance, photography, restaurants, wine… No wonder they earn the moniker “gor gor”…

    Another observation: Chinese girls will berate, explode, and yell in public at their beta/herb boyfriends.

    I saw this just last week…a solid 5 storming down the crowded street while I was at an ATM…her speed blew back my hair and I turned around. A herb: puffy cheeks, slumped shoulders, glasses was in tow…following her about 3 feet behind.

    They stopped a short distance away. She adopted alpha pose…he adopted the pose of a supplicant/errant school boy: slumped shoulders, hands crossed over his nuts looking down slightly. On cue, she just laid into the guy…her voice becoming increasingly shrill. I couldn’t hear what it was about, but the body language was something that would earn Beta of the Year on this board.

    I’ve been that guy….I’ve just laughed… and started to walk away….then the roles are reversed…she would begin following me…apologizing etc.

    Chinese girl game….deserves a post of its own….

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  176. on May 23, 2010 at 12:51 am TERRY IN OREGON

    Great post , rois, you da man!!
    here’s a little message for the guy whose”girl”was doing all the “extra” texting.
    Guess what, you DONT OWN HER!!
    i see this “problem” on this and similar PUA blogs.
    some guy will be dating some girl for 3 weeks or so and all of a sudden (after he’s got to the point where they’re fucking) she’ll tell him “i cant see you this weekend, I’m going to be out of town” and he goes all inspector clousow on her, trying to find out what’s up with her trip, who she might be seeing and all this other good shit.

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  177. on May 23, 2010 at 12:53 am TERRY IN OREGON

    ‘;l’;l’ldas’l’;

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  178. on May 23, 2010 at 1:09 am TERRY IN OREGON

    (continued from above) anyway he gets all up in her grill about HER PERSONAL BUSINESS.
    Here’s another little fact you might want to consider…
    THIS BLOG IS ABOUT FUCKING WOMEN, FINDING A WOMAN WHO WANTS TO AND LIKES TO FUCK AND WILL FUCK YOU!!
    PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION!!
    she’s a fuck buddy and wants to fuck you. Isnt that the point of the whole exercise????
    That being the case, what the hell do you care what else she’s doing with her time when she’s not fucking you??!
    Now, she could be celibate when she’s not fucking you or could be trying to work her way thru the entire Russian fleet who’s docked in DC for navel exercises.
    All that is completely off point, the only thing that’s relevant where this blog is concerned and all of PUA is concerned,
    “HOT DOG, I’VE GOT A FUCK BUDDY FOR A WHILE, I’M DA BOMB”
    Why the hell dont you just leave it at that and stay out of her business, WHICH IS NONE AND I MEAN NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS??!?!?!?!!!

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  179. on June 3, 2010 at 9:55 am NG

    If a girl ever pulled the “This reminds me of that Argentinean tango dancer I had a fling with once” shit test, I’d probably respond with some so-you-must-be-a-whore-then neg, maybe: “So you slept with some random dude in a foreign country?” And then, before she can answer, hysterically laughing ask her if she used protection. Depending on her reaction you may have to immediately change the subject because she will be left speechless and feel like a complete idiot. (She also won’t be able to masturbate to her Argentinian for weeks.)

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  180. on June 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm Rum Guzzler

    So the solution here is a “lose-lose” ie. you lose the girl because you have to dump her because she is a slut.

    This all REEKS of insecurity and fundmentally unproductive behavior – a man isn’t a man without his dignity, but is the knee jerk reaction going to be the one where you put to death an otherwise happy relationship (assuming she hasn’t cheated on you yet, and with the rigth moves, you can ensure it won’t happen).

    Is there seriously nothing you can do – DRASTIC even, to salvage the situation?

    Disappearing and starting to fuck other women the best way to secure #2 loyalty??

    Other suggestions?

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  181. on November 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm “There Was Good Sex With Him” « Citizen Renegade

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  182. on November 9, 2010 at 3:15 am Timothy Webster

    Gorbachev, you hinted of writing up gaming German girls? Did you actually do that? Is it linked somewhere? Excellent commentary on Asian girls. You left out Filipinos, but they are so easy even herbs with no game get them.

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