For women, that is. Men can never have too much sexual experience.
The following conversation I had with Silverback in the City Zeets will explain why.
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Zeets: I’m pretty sure she’s only been with one other guy her whole life.
Me: Is she a virgin?
Zeets: Not a virgin… technically. But emotionally she may as well be. She has almost no experience with men.
Me: Hard to believe there are women like her outside of rural areas still in existence.
Zeets: She’s a foreigner from [a less developed European country].
Me: Bingo.
Zeets: The first time, she didn’t know what she was doing. It’s like I was back in high school. I tried to maneuver for the kill shot, but she kept her legs shut tight. I had to physically pry them apart. As I’m inching in, she’s squeaking like a mouse. “Ow ow ow”, she’s saying. I’m like, “Uh, ok, you’ve gotta relax here, otherwise this isn’t going to work.”
Me: Then what?
Zeets: Then she’s telling me to close all the blinds and blow out the candles. She likes the room pitch black. I guess it was because she was uncomfortable with me seeing her naked body in the lights. She’s got the bedsheets pulled right up to her chin.
Me: But she has a nice body. Doesn’t she know that?
Zeets: I know, tell me about it, but remember this girl is like a teenager fumbling around in the back seat of a car. She’s self-conscious. She doesn’t know what the fuck she’s doing. Eventually, we did do it, but it wasn’t good. She was too uptight, barely moved at all, and the endless foreplay pooped me out.
Me: That was over a month ago. You’re still with her.
Zeets: Yeah, we’ve done it a few more times since then. I was worried that she might have a weird psychological hangup about sex… maybe a religious thing?… but then it started getting better. She listened to my instructions, and followed orders well. Sex got better. She really loosened up.
Me: She got comfortable with you.
Zeets: Now she’s presenting like a red-assed chimp. She is truly loving in bed, totally getting into it. Sex has gotten even better with her than with some other women who knew what they were doing on the first date. Still need to work on proper blowjob technique, though.
~~~
Sluts may know what they’re doing the first time without much prompting from you, but sexually inexperienced girls who have been allowed to blossom into full, exuberant womanhood under your caring tutelage and by your steady temperament are the true prize, the holy grail.
It is a myth that sexually inexperienced girls are sexually repressed girls. Some are, but most of them are simply choosier than their sluttier sisters. It is more fulfilling to have a girl release with you, than to have her come pre-released by a battalion of men before you.
Yeah but good luck finding these kinds of girls
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I agree with this.
To some extent this applies to most girls. The first time is never the best time, they all need some coaching and guidance and it gets better as it goes on…..
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A dead giveaway is how they hug and kiss you. If it’s an awkward kiss or they kiss you on the cheek like they’re pecking their father goodnight, chances are they’ll probably be inexperienced.
But from past experience, they tend to ask a lot of questions and like to compare themselves to other girls I’ve banged.
The competition must also come from the “pre-selection” aspect of attraction.
They also tend to be quite clingy afterwards.
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They’re not that hard to find if you’re looking at age 21 and under. 22-23 they still exist, by 24 they’ve almost all gotten “awakened” by someone else.
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blah. crap. you can delete all of these empty comments.
this thing won’t let me embed a video.
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Abso-fucking-lutely.
It’s always a bad sign to hear a girl say, “Believe me, I give the best blowjob you’ve ever had.”
“Oh really? My main girlfriend lets me gag her with my cock. You think you can top that?”
“Main Girlfriend” is real, by the way, and what makes it so cool isn’t just that she lets me do that, it’s that I’m the one who introduced it to her. I’m the one who pushed that boundary. *That’s* what makes it special.
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yup. uh huh. that’s right.
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she was almost certainly playing your friend, pretending she had no experience. Eastern European girls do this all the time. How many of you have actually lived over there for an extended period of time and know the culture? They are mostly dreadful eurotrash hitting one club after another.
They do this because they know guys want innocent virgins so they just play you!
So funny that your friend was naive enough to fall for this crap; it’s the standard modus operandi in those countries.
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lzozlzlzozlzl omg lzozlzlzlzzl
i don’t mind sharing chciks with any of you dudes if you don’t mind goin second lzozlzl
every cock in a girl takes a bit of her soul out
that is why the neocons fund the cocking of girls and a cock in her butt going in and out desouls her 10x as fast zlzozlzlzl which is why neocn charlotte allen celebrates tucker max in teh pages of the weekly standard lzozlzlzozl and repeats his pr lies about his height so that more chicks might line up for desouling.
i mean how much fucking experinence do you need to lie there and get gizzed on? lzozlzlzlzlzl
the more experience a chick has had the more better she will be at separating sex form lasting relationshipos and thus the better a servant of bernanke whe will be lzozlzlzlzl the much better servant of bernanke and beanrnek’s goldman sax tucker max desouling butthexers.
see the porblem with a debt-based ifat dollar is that it is worth notyhing but debt
that is where you–the man–comes in
as men create everything of use and build and work and create and invent and wirte and compose eveyrthing great lzozlzlzolzozozl the fiat bernanke masters trian women to transfer assetss from men to them that is a woman’s 100% function outside a familial context to transfer welath to teh fiat masters.
and bernanke/miraim grossman/charlotee allen know that a deosuled women will be more loyal to bernanke than god/her husband/children and so they tell giurls to go out and get experience with bloodshucking vampires and lust after blooduscking vampires and celebrate anal sexers and secrteive taper sof butthexers without teh grils’ concsnet in their paghes of the neocons weekly standard lozlzl and celerbate girls gina tinglig for undead vampire monmsters unchristian undead vampire bloodsucking fiat master monsters in teh opages of townhall.com lzozlzlzozlzlzlo as they trian womenz to transfer welath to the fiat class, desouling them and trianging them fro the preemptive war against teh 50,000,000 unborn fetuses they have ripped form their wombes trianing them for war against their future husbands as 2/3 to 3/4 of womenze iniiatite divroce and it is more than that really as even thoug hsometime men initiate divorce it is because teh women sucked otehr dudes dicks or took them in her vaginal regions and anal regions as the neocns trian them to do in their secular dumbed down soulles shcools arereate din the image of goldman sachs where the ceo loyd blankfein says they are doing gods work by both selling subprimne securities and betting against teh asshats show buy them and beleive godlman sachs and ben barnke wires billions of dollars to goldman sachs and balse tehm out as women join him in transferring life, libertyu, and property form innocent men. lzozlzlzlzl
lzozlzlzlz
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exactly how does that work?
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every cock in a girl takes a bit of her soul out
That’s why Mystery’s directive to “leave them better than you found them” is a contradiction in terms.
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[QUOTE]every cock in a girl takes a bit of her soul out[/QUOTE]
What about women who sold their soul, like Janeane Garafello, or who never had one, like Hillary Clinton?
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Both of my college roommates have only been with their husbands, who they met in college. I think it’s romantic. I would think it would be easier for a young man to find an inexperienced girl than a 40 year old man.
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I think it being overrated depends on the girl. I had 1 girl who wanted sex all the time, but it was obvious she wasn’t enjoying it like I was. I guess she just wanted the attention. Then I had another girl who told me she loves sex, like a dude. When we were together it meant more coming from me cause she only got it from me. But she wanted it for the enjoyment as much as I did.
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every cock in a girl takes a bit of her soul out
exactly how does that work?”
OMG What R U SOME KIND OF A FUCKITY FUCKATARD???>>>>>>>>>>>>
whuddayha mean how doe sthat work?
have yuou ever put a coick in a girl?
then yhou would know how it worked.
check this out.
take a 23 year old with no cocks in her yet,and a 28 year old who had 10 cock/year for 10 years which is 100 cocks my calculatore here says. or more liek 140 cocks as the neocons make them start early with butthex and all and remmber that each butthex cock has been scientiffically proven to eauqla the deosuling capacity of 10 vaginal cocks so like she probably has had teh queivalent for 280 cocks in her. do not let the math scar eu numbnut dipshits please.
who dod you think would be more likely to honor marriage vows?
the 23 year old or the 28 year olf who has been cocked 280 times or more?
lzozlzllzlzllzzllzlzlz
you can be my wingman and jump on teh 28 year old grenade.
i’ll be taking my 23 year old virgin as she is a lady on a date yah she is a lady still and has hope.
teh 28 year old needs 2 go cat shopping lzozlzl as even ben bernanke and loyd blankfein and tucker max in all tehir brilliance have yet to invent a decocking machine that can turn back the cock clock llozlzlzlz.
cock clock.
lzzoozzlzlzlzllz omg loxlxlx
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Aaand Roissy confirms my preference for virgins, that I caught so much shit for here earlier.
All I can say is, lozlzlzllzolzlz.
The part about going from timidity to “presenting like a red-assed chimp” made me lolzl. Unlike Zeets I savor both extremes.
Just a guess: we won’t be hearing from many females on this thread.
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“Laura
Both of my college roommates have only been with their husbands, who they met in college. I think it’s romantic. I would think it would be easier for a young man to find an inexperienced girl than a 40 year old man.”
not soooo true as younger men have less assetss lzozllzlzllzl
though of course women will justify gina tingles and go for teh vampires aithw no assets and then end up 28 with tehir cock clock reading 280 cocks lzozlzl
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[…] Today, Roissy says, Sluts may know what they’re doing the first time without much prompting from you, but […]
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“sexually inexperienced girls who have been allowed to blossom into full, exuberant womanhood under your caring tutelage and by your steady temperament are the true prize, the holy grail.”
This is true for my woman. She was 23 when we met, and only had one boyfriend before me. She was inhibited at first, but things got better in a hurry. 15 years later, she is more insatiable than ever. She woke me up at 4:00 a.m. today for a pounding session, even though we did it twice the night before.
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When it comes to experience, there is definitely a tipping point when a woman’s sex kitten technique becomes impeccable. Only a few women have what it takes to ever get there. Sweet and innocent so you can guide her there is better. Chicks in between the two extremes are the worst.
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@ Polymath
Very true, but I honestly don’t find this terribly problematic within certain boundaries. I don’t need my LTRs to be 100 percent virgin, pure as driven snow. I just need them to be chaste within a reasonable margin of error—that’s all you can really expect these days. If she is under-30 and has been with more men than I can count on one hand, her chances of being LTR material for me are vanishing to nil. Sure I’m sure someone could find an exception—but they are just that.
Of course, it’s not easy to tell if your potential LTR is reasonably chaste or the unofficial spokeswoman of Cock Connoisseurs Inc. If you ask her point blank, she will just lie to you like any woman would. So, over time you have to sniff out her true nature:
1) Does she exhibit low impulse control?
2) Does she tend to view/treat the men in her life as disposable?
3) Does she have an entitled streak?
4) Is she emotional or irrational—more than most women you know?
etc.
By sussing out these answers over time, you will gain everything you need to know about your woman’s sexual history—and her character, to boot. Don’t expect to have everything figured out within the first few weeks of meeting a girl (unless you’re lucky, knew her before, or she’s really dumb and just dishes). Most women are very accomplished liars—the truth must be revealed over time. In the meantime, of course, you are either banging her or other women on the side—but that should go without saying.
The truth is that the more cocks a woman has had, the less any one of them means to her. Think diminishing returns or something like that. It really is in your best interest to get a woman who is as chaste as you can manage, and for health reasons as well. Women who have had many partners are more likely to exhibit cervical dysplasia which can lead to severly diminshed fertility and cancer in some cases.
Why on earth would you want to pay full market price (commitment) for something (sex) a battalion of alphas before you got for free (no commitment)? No strategy is foolproof and sure, I’d like to beat the (sexual) market…but in the meantime I’ll settle for a fighting chance. Game and watchful eye gives me that.
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nope. i’ve hit plenty of cervixes, but never a soul. maybe because there is no such thing.
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Never a truer word spoken.
That’s the real tragedy of modern dating for women. This whirlwind of promiscuity, this carousel, cheapens them in the eyes of men, especially the alphas that they prize so much.
That’s why shows like Sex and the City are moral plutonium – I’ve seen how that show influenced some of my female acquaintances, and it’s tragic – they’re well on their way to a feline-filled spinsterhood.
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I married when my wife and I were both 20, and although the sex early on wasn’t as good as it is now, being her first meant that, as long as it was pretty good, other men were simply not on her radar screen at all (she had never gotten beyond first base with anyone else). You can’t get this kind of bonding with a girl with significant experience — even if you are the best she’s ever had and she intends to be faithful, cheating becomes much more of a thinkable option.
Not that a girl who’s only been with you will never fantasize about other men, of course she will, but the barrier to taking that first overt step will be high enough that if she’s otherwise happy with you temptation will be resistible. Girls who’ve slept around, even if they are happy with you, have a much lower activation threshold.
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“I just need them to be chaste within a reasonable margin of error—that’s all you can really expect these days.”
That also would be great parenting advice for daughters – to keep their straying to the bare minimum.
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I don’t know why, but I’m not into virgins. I never was, even at 21: I had an affair with a (sultry) woman 18 years older than me.
I understand it, but I really don’t mind slutty girls; pardoxically, I don’t like it some aspects of it.
Contradictions are we (men). At least we’re aware of it. What I have unbridled contempt for are the excuses women make. Being a slut is fine. But being a stupid, self-deluded slut is inexcusable, especially when it results in lies, lies, and more damned lies. And blaming the men for womens’ faults.
That’s what generates most of the anger – not sluttiness.
I’d almost even consider an open (open-er) relationship with a woman if I wanted kids (which would be paternity-tested without debate). She’d have to be exceptional with a firm, very self-aware brain attached. I haven’t thought about it in depth, but it might even be more fun: we’d be gaming each other for the next 40 years.
But we work with what we have.
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Let me guess, Zeets is marrying this chick?
What, no?
Oh…
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Once again, Roissy speaks the truth!
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dude!!
“j r
have yuou ever put a coick in a girl?
then yhou would know how it worked.
nope. i’ve hit plenty of cervixes, but never a soul. maybe because there is no such thing.”
did bernanke desoul u 2?
because that is exactly what they breach that tehre is sno such thing as a soul lzozlzllzlzllz so all teh ass cocking don’t matter lzozlzlzzl
oh well…
it is a self fulfilling prophcy of teh neocon butthexer bankers lzozlzlzlz
no soul 4 u!
and loyd blankfein calls it “god’s work.” lzozlz
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you can be my wingman and jump on teh 28 year old grenade
Taht crakcs me up. lzozlzllzlzllzzllzlzlz
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@jb,
“I guess we won’t be hearing from many females.”
Female here: experience is overrated in men too.
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check out this interesting article on a sex survey done in the early 1900s…way before Kinsey’s work.
http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2010/marapr/features/mosher.html
“Yet no matter how sheltered they’d initially been, these women had—and enjoyed—sex. Of the 45 women, 35 said they desired sex; 34 said they had experienced orgasms; 24 felt that pleasure for both sexes was a reason for intercourse; and about three-quarters of them engaged in it at least once a week.”
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so, those are the only two choices, huh?
i agree with the title of this post. a sexually experienced woman is just a woman who has said yes a bunch of times. there’s no special value in that. at the same time, i find the whole virgin fetish to be weird and insecure.
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Think about “experience” 100 years ago. Check out this sex study from the early 1900s…way before Kinsey’s work…
http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2010/marapr/features/mosher.html
Yet no matter how sheltered they’d initially been, these women had—and enjoyed—sex. Of the 45 women, 35 said they desired sex; 34 said they had experienced orgasms; 24 felt that pleasure for both sexes was a reason for intercourse; and about three-quarters of them engaged in it at least once a week.
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At least one partner should have some idea of what’s supposed to be happening. And no, watching porn doesn’t help.
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@ Anony
Mostly bullshit—but not totally. For obvious hypergamy/evo pysch reasons, women prefer to be with men who are more sexually experienced than them. Anyone denying that is completely full of shit. But there are definitely limits. A guy who has been with too many women does carry a bit of an ick factor along with increased risk of exposure to STDs. And most women want to feel special to a guy—like he’s being tamed by what they uniquely have to offer. A guy who has been with too many women is less able to convey that.
In my experience, if a guy has nailed 30 women most desirable women won’t give a damn. But if he’s into the triple digits, most women will think twice about him—and you really can’t blame them. On the other hand, the vast majority of desirable men would only consort with a woman who’s been with 30 guys on strictly pump-and-dump basis.
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greatbooksformen
“Laura
Both of my college roommates have only been with their husbands, who they met in college. I think it’s romantic. I would think it would be easier for a young man to find an inexperienced girl than a 40 year old man.”
not soooo true as younger men have less assetss lzozllzlzllzl
“though of course women will justify gina tingles and go for teh vampires aithw no assets and then end up 28 with tehir cock clock reading 280 cocks lzozlzl”
Do the math.
40 year old men + passport + assets.
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There were only two women I was with in the past 4 years who were virgins. I’ll detail the experience, which runs counter to what the men here detail about their experiences:
1) Europe: Young woman working on first degree, 21 yrs old. Very pretty, but inexperienced; a foreigner, Italian, in France. I didn’t approach; I was occupied. When I was no longer occupied, she approached me, after a bit of wine. It was very tender and sweet, and remained so for a few months, and I felt some responsibility to make sure she wasn’t only undamaged but left in great shape; I think she was. It was fun and all, but I preferred more exciting girl. I didn’t like playing daddy, though she loved every second. That could just be me.
2) Korea: Woman, virgin at 28 (unusual, but not uncommon there). Very attracted to me (gamed hard), and we plunged on her insistence. While hot, and we were together for 3.5 months, it was ultimately unsatisfying: Maybe I’m the male equivalent of a well-used whore, because I felt the lack of creativity and lack of inhibitions. Not her fault, but I think if she’d been around a few times, she’d be more fun and better to be with.
I think there’s a balance: Some, but not too much.
Women out there, does the same go for men?
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Question:
What do women think about men who have seriously been around?
I’m just curious.
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Good luck finding a virgin nowadays.
In most big cities, girls are losing their virginity in HS.
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j.r. writes, “ake a 23 year old with no cocks in her yet,and a 28 year old who had 10 cock/year for 10 years which is 100 cocks…
who dod you think would be more likely to honor marriage vows?
the 23 year old or the 28 year olf who has been cocked 280 times or more?
so, those are the only two choices, huh?
i agree with the title of this post. a sexually experienced woman is just a woman who has said yes a bunch of times. there’s no special value in that. at the same time, i find the whole virgin fetish to be weird and insecure.”
no there is yu the third choice–a chick who has had 140 cocks in her and only one cat.
you will soon have seven cats and 280 cocks on your cock clock lzozlzlzlz
as character is destiny
don’t fight it sweety
you are working for bernanke now and forever lzozlzlzlz
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@GBFM
haven’t you heard ben bernanke can buy out CDC’s(cougar’s dick counts) with trillion fiat dollar collateralized, short term liquid loans while we liquid loan them jizzbombz to the face and butthole lozlzolzoz.
on a serious note: there is a misconception widely spread by some feminists, rationalizing sluts and dumb mangina’s that a large sexual history= a sexually “experienced” woman, or a woman with a healthy sex drive. Thats bullshit, most virgins are virgins because of morals and/or high self esteem, which causes them to not want to get fucked by any old anonymous don juan. both of these can be positive qualities. Take it from a dude who has had a long term with a virgin:
You have a choice. Between her experience and your own. You can have a pre-packaged slut, or carve your own out of a virgin. The latter is far more satisfying, you eventually have all the benefits of the slut, with the extra passion, affection and unforgettable de-flowering.
Virgins are win-win. By all means, Fuck sluts. But theres nothing like fucking YOUR slut.
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“Hardcore
Think about “experience” 100 years ago. Check out this sex study from the early 1900s…way before Kinsey’s work…
http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2010/marapr/features/mosher.html
Yet no matter how sheltered they’d initially been, these women had—and enjoyed—sex. Of the 45 women, 35 said they desired sex; 34 said they had experienced orgasms; 24 felt that pleasure for both sexes was a reason for intercourse; and about three-quarters of them engaged in it at least once a week.”
lozlzlz yes in teh context of marriage your fucktwat neocon
sex inside of marraige lzozlzlzlzllzlzl
so fucking what?
of ocurse people enjoy sex.
why are neocons always so excited by this like they’re teh 1st to discover people liek sexexxeexx?
and then tehy want tenure for this lzozlzlzllzz enocuraging womenz to lust after secrtive lapers of butthex without the girls conthent and undead vampire monster slzozlzl zomg
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ummm the realist tard y above tells us that it is better to have a loyal vrigin than a slut..
ummmmm thanks for teh newsflash i did not know this
you should get yuour own book and tv deals for your insight and a tv and radio show and a nobel prize in stating teh obvious lzozzlzl
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Gorba
“What do women think about men who have seriously been around?”
Come now Gorba. Who gives a fuck? You’re better than that. The last 2 post about some Aussie ho should suffice.
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@dragnet
You are wishful thinking
A virgin male can offer the gift of specialness to a woman. the men who deny that are those who can’t offer that. she will never need to compare herself to others. she will never wrangle with the thought of other women with him.
men who deny this, are those who could never make a woman feel special.
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“In her own writings, Mosher was acutely aware of her foresight, and of the possibilities that lay ahead for women once sex became less of a secret and gender less of a burden. “Born into a world of unlimited opportunity, the woman of the rising generation will answer the question of what woman’s real capacities are,” Mosher wrote in 1923. “She will have physical, economic, racial and civic freedom. What will she do with it?””
–http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2010/marapr/features/mosher.html
mosher was a neocon before tehre were neocons always sluuting everything up and labeling vriginiity and chasity and loyalty and truth and marriage and bad things and vices while promoting secretive tapinsg of anal sex and lusting after undead vampire monsters and debt and debauchery and pron and preemptive war aginst 50,000,000 unborn as good things she is the grandmother of mben bernanke miriam grossman chalotte allen tucker max which rhymes iwth godlman sax lzozlzlzlzlzl
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Great Books: It would help if you knew what the FUCK “neocon” actually MEANS.
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^^^^^^
Trimegistus: It would help if you knew what the FUCK “Trimegistus” actually MEANS.
Trimegistus MEANS “I take it balls deep in the ass every day and I pay good 2 to have you do it to me any takers and i promise i won’t videotape it without your conthent like teh neocons do. i promise promise promise tust me oh please well maybe just one flip cam but that;s it. c;’om!!” lzozlzlz
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It’s not the crazy I mind, it’s the stupid. How old is Great Books? Fourteen?
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I can’t think of anything more worthless than “sexual experience” from a girl. It usually means you are too pissy in your pants to tell a girl what you want. Which scenario would result in a hickory axe handle?
Who would you rather be saying this to in your dreams?
“Slowly baby…now speed up a little…that’s right…yeah”..
Pick 1
1. 30 year old ex-prostitute who can put here legs behind her neck?
2. An 18 year old girl in a sun dress blushing at the lubricity of her response to your instruction?
Scenario 1 for me is a minty tooth pick.
Scenario 2 is Yosemite class.
The next best thing to scenario 2 is the memory of initiating your loyal woman.
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I’m all for a woman who values her pussy highly, provided it is unused and well kept.
What i’m against is women who front. Who pick and choose when to value their pussy and decide to trade at discount prices every so often.
Either you up for it or you ain’t, no middle ground here. I’m not buying whats been had for free-No dates for you, but i’ll take some of that free action, I need to bust a nut in there quicktime just like them others who have been and gone before me.
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hey roissy can u please ban all teh betas posting here as like they post like they have clcok cocks too like counting the number of coks that have been in tehir anuses and they are breaking the meter which goes up to only 999 lzozllzllzlzll
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Now he’s whining. Guess his Mom’s not home to make him cookies & milk so he looked up some more dirty words online.
And LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL YOU RETARD!
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i don’t buy this. if you are a guy with only a handful of notches, then it makes perfect sense to look for virgins or girls with only one or two partners. a guy with tight game can turn almost any woman into his slut. i’ve fucked near virgins who thought of me as just a notch and straight sluts who fell in love with me.
in general, past behavior will tell you a lot about future actions, but these are tendencies, not hard and fast rules.
the idea that you can accurately and precisely predict whether a girl will cheat based on the number of partners she’s had is effin’ stupid. saying shit like that makes you sound borderline autistic.
any of you guys who have been in the military should be able to speak to this. how many young guys marry their high school sweethearts, thinking their wives will only have eyes for them for all eternity? what happens after a couple of months around scandalous army wives or left alone while their husband is deployed?
it’s like investments: past performance is no guarantee of future results. marrying a virgin is not like buying an annuity for lifetime faithfulness.
what she did before is important, but what you do after is more important.
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^^^^^^^
“it’s like investments: past performance is no guarantee of future results. marrying a virgin is not like buying an annuity for lifetime faithfulness.
what she did before is important, but what you do after is more important.”
FUCKTARD!!!
CHARACTER IS DESTINY!!!!!!!
YOU CAN’T MAKE A WHORE INTO A HIOUSWIFE!!!
BEN BERNAKE/TUCKER MAX/LOLYD BLANKFEIN/THE NEOCONS BEST AND BRIGHTEST have not yet made a decocking nor resouling machine lzozlzlzl
WTF is your problem?
go play with your cats and your destiny–no kids or fmaily nor motherhood 4 u–just a dying dream and cold, lonely days working for teh fed as they import mexiacans 2 do the work of the kids they told you to abort lzozlzlz
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Hey, gayboysformen, what’s wrong with being a neoconservative?
I prefer my jihadists cooked extra-crispy, and you should too.
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Agreed.
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“Question:
What do women think about men who have seriously been around?
I’m just curious.”
I’d consider it a drawback. But I’m in the minority as a H.S. Sweetheart scenario. So, I can easily imagine why virginity would be more important to guys if it was to me as a female. It makes me cringe when females try to rationalize high numbers and try to spin it as some sort of sexual liberation. If I don’t view it appealing in the opposite gender, why would a guy view an “experienced” female as appealing?
As an adult, if I had to speculate, it might be a neutral issue for me. I’d probably have the most problem with traditional “players” or anyone who turns gaming into a sport, because, you know, there are other legitimate sports to engage in.
It’s either genetic (my personality-INTJ) or environmentally conditioned for me, since my mom married someone for whom the thought of fidelity would have never even occurred. I suppose her agony positively influenced my life decisions to a large extent. I have no way of knowing if I would have chosen differently with a different upbringing, but it’s been my experience that some of the “experienced” ie sluttiest females usually have very, very beta dads. It’s a bit sad for me to know that my happiness resulted from my mom’s misery. Although I do consider it poor judgment on her part. The simple act of marriage is not going to stop someone who doesn’t know how to be faithful or has no desire to be.
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@ J r
who said anything about getting married? you crazy
It doesn’t really matter how long it lasts, iv’e banged 2 virgins, one was and LTR and one was fuckbuddy i broke into the game it’s about the beauty of it while it lasts. For me with sluts there is no it, there is no relationship.
And I’m not too worried to worried about cheating, it’s more my own selfish desires, i find it near impossible to show any sort of affection or nice gesture towards a slut. It’s a visceral reaction wholely dependant upon my emotions rather than any relationship maintenance strategy. Sluts are contemptable to me and will be gamed appropriately for the short term lay.
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now that is a legitimate. problem. when you know a girl has been with plenty of guys, but she suddenly turns into a born-again-prude; she tries to make you wait and take her on a bunch of dinner dates before sex. either step up your game and get her in bed quickly or just kick her to the curb.
if you try to go the “gentleman” route with a woman like that, she will dismiss you as a chump and even if you end up with her she will have a hard time respecting you.
do not play captain sav-a-hoe. you cannot turn a ho into a housewife. you can, however, turn a ho into your ho.
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lozlzlz
“Trimegistus
Now he’s whining. Guess his Mom’s not home to make him cookies & milk so he looked up some more dirty words online.
And LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL YOU RETARD!”
ok here is how yu spell “uyou retard.”
T-r-i-m-e-g-i-s-t-u-s
lzozlzlzl !!
who let all the bernanked chccks and fanboy betas out of tehri mom’s basements to come torment us today? lzozzllzlz
when i’mout on teh town and i see a 28 year old chcik bedraggled and worn out look and bitchy feel to her, i go
“OMG check out that bernanked chick.”
i stay away from bernanked chick as their only rain d’tere is to butthex you out of yoru assets and transfer them to bernanke, having already ripped teh children out of tehir wombs abortingt them after tucker max desouled them in a secretly taped asscocking session celebrated and his pr lies repeated by teh necon’s weekly standard. lozzlzlzl
has anyone here ever seen a chick and gone, “omg she’s been bernanked!” lzozlz
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Oh, us “quality girls” judge men by the same sluttiness standards you give women. I would never date someone who’s been around for the same reasons men won’t (1. it’s just plain gross, 2. more likely to cheat, 3. the “specialness” factor).
That’s why most men here will probably never end up with an intelligent, interesting, enchanting and dynamic “quality” woman, just young naive airheads with a pretty face and zero self-esteem. We have the self-respect to know what’s good for us and that we can do better.
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Stop trying to convince us you’ve EVER seen a chick naked, Lolzboy.
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“Trimegistus
Stop trying to convince us you’ve EVER seen a chick naked, Lolzboy.”
the only time your tongue ever touched a pussy was when you went wah wah wah wah wahahahahahahahh!!!! on the day you were born, linking your momas clit on teh way out as even then you knew it would be your last chance lzozlzlz
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“That’s why most men here will probably never end up with an intelligent, interesting, enchanting and dynamic “quality” woman, just young naive airheads with a pretty face and zero self-esteem.”
Hey, now, there is nothing wrong with “young naive airheads with a pretty face and zero self-esteem.”
They make the best fuck buddies.
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@ Anony
If this isn’t evidence of the eternal solipsism of the female mind, then nothing is.
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So did your head get injured when your Mom left you in the dumpster, Lolzboy? Or did that happen the first time you tried to kill yourself?
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“Quantcast
What do women think about men who have seriously been around?
Oh, us “quality girls” judge men by the same sluttiness standards you give women. I would never date someone who’s been around for the same reasons men won’t (1. it’s just plain gross, 2. more likely to cheat, 3. the “specialness” factor).”
omg that is soo aweosme because i don’t dsate lozlzlzlzlzlzlzl
by qualkity girls do you mean you’ve been wioth less then 50 dudes and no more than 4 at teh same time? becaus ethis is how chicks define “quality” tyhese days lzozlzlz omg lzozlzlz ozozzlzlz
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http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2010/marapr/features/mosher.html
I read the article, it was interesting. Here are some of the highlights that I noticed:
The survey was a sensation. Degler recalls feminist historians coming to the archives to make copies, and in 1980 it was printed as a book that soon hit college classrooms.
In 1889, she entered Wellesley as a 25-year-old freshman but struggled academically
Mosher’s scholarly aim soon became clear: to prove that women were not inferior to men
Again, she blamed nurture over nature
Sending girls to bed to dwell upon their discomfort…
fucking genius. You start acting all crappy and moody, “go to your room”.
“Equal pay for women means equal work; unnecessary menstrual absences mean less than full work,”
She didn’t join women’s professional groups or bond with many female academics.
She couldn’t even bond with smart women.
“She was really not very interested in the kinds of things that even faculty women—certainly faculty wives—were interested in,” says Griego. “She wasn’t interested in teas, she wasn’t particularly interested in nurturing or mentoring women.
Complete lack of femininity? Check.
She cut an odd figure on campus, Griego says, in her habitual “mannish suit.”
haha
In her writings, Mosher railed against fashion: Sewing dainty clothing wasted women’s study time; a young girl “making tatting to decorate her clothes or knitting or embroidering while her brother is playing ball”
Complete disdain for femininity? Check.
Mosher never married and had few close relationships, although her mother lived with her on campus.
Good God
Mosher felt this anomie deeply. A diary entry from 1919 laments: “I am finding out gradually why I am so lonely. The only things I care about are things which use my brain. The women I meet are not so much interested
Again, she was saying this about female academics.
Some archival scraps hint at her longing for connection: a series of letters to an imaginary friend. “Dear ‘Friend who never was,'” she wrote, “I have given up ever finding you. I have tried out all my friends and they have not measured up to my dreams.”
Unrealistic expectations? Check.
“She’s actually asking these questions not about physiology or mechanics—she’s really asking about sexual subjectivity and the meaning of sex to women,”
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realist,
i was just using your quote, but not necessarily responding to your post. if you just happen to dig virgins, then cool; that’s your preference. i’m just objecting to people taking a preference and trying to turn it into some immutable law of nature. or people taking roissy’s observations about general tendencies and trying to extrapolate some magic number when a woman goes from good girl to slut. like i said, that comes across as borderline autistic.
on the other hand, when feminists say that women shouldn’t be judged for their behavior, i call bullshit. individuals have a right to judge other people as they see fit. if you don’t like women who have a lot of partners, noone should stop you from acting on that feeling. it should, however, be a process of individuals judging for themselves and not the universal adoption of some arbitrary standard. otherwise what you end up with is a bunch of women either lying about their sexual history or taking it in the ass and calling themselves virgins.
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Oh, us “quality girls (only 17 cocks in the anus, 47 in the mouth, and 102 in the gina, and 342 hand jobs)” judge men by the same sluttiness standards you give women. I would never date someone who’s been around (a man with a cock) for the same reasons men won’t (1. it’s just plain gross (as i only had 17 cocks in my anus and men hooking up with chix is gross), 2. more likely to cheat (yah experienced men are more likely to cheat than betaherbs which is why you will fuck alphas but only marry betas as alpohas will not propose lozlozlozzol how lucky for the “special” betas you saved your 18th asscocking experience for.), 3. the “specialness” factor(the 18th cock in my anus will be “special”)).”
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A man with experience is attractive to me, and I think he does have appeal.
One tendency I do see here is the tendency to traffic in universals. It’s not enough for something to be true for some people it has to be true for everyone. Not only are there are always exceptions for rules, but sometimes those exceptions eek up into large percentage numbers 20%-30%. I don’t think the male virgin is one of those cases however.
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Since you guys love berlusconi so much I felt I had to share this flick with you.
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Experience (that is, a moderate amount) is fine with me. The problem is when sexually experienced women dial up their “expertise” and aggressiveness, and start directing in the bedroom (as Roissy once complained). A lot of American women think that because it’s become socially acceptable for women to have more sexual experience than in the past, that it’s likewise okay for a woman to flaunt her experience or wear it on her sleeve.
If she knows how to give a great BJ, or has been double-teamed and would like to again, that’s fine. Bragging about it, however, will have a souring effect on a man with standards. It’s not that a man should feel threatened or inadequate by her experience. Rather, it’s that most men are smart to assume that whatever information a woman is sharing is probably just the tip of the iceberg, maybe 10% of her real aggregate experience. This of course is where a man with options should decide whether the woman is good for a few rolls in the hay, or something more substantial. If she has too much “experience,” he’s likely to decide the former.
As for experienced women who try to direct the action in the bedroom, they are often rigid in their desires and masculine in their disposition. Perhaps that’s good if they’re taking a 15-year-old boy for his first ride, but for a grown man, it’s a turn off.
Inexperienced women, of course, have a shyness and innocence about them that is endearing to Alphas – dirty as it may sound, it plays to our “father figure” role and makes them more feminine to us. Women with more experience would do well to imitate this – not to fool us, but to endear us.
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j r,
I agree with this:
marrying a virgin is not like buying an annuity for lifetime faithfulness.
what she did before is important, but what you do after is more important.
but my point was that, if you ARE doing it right afterwards, there is still a good chance you will get cheated on by a girl who had lots of experience pre-you, much less of a chance if you’re her one and only.
Of course if you don’t keep her happy, you’re asking for trouble no matter how many notches she had; but the barrier to the FIRST cheat is WAY higher if she’s never had anyone else, and you have a good shot at maintaining it.
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Another way of looking at it: the attitude that prevents cheating is “I belong to him, I am his exclusive possession”. The two types of women who have trouble thinking that thought are feminists and those who have “changed hands” a lot.
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True. My most memorable GF I had was a virgin and never been with anybody else, and she eventually learned and gave the best blowjob I ever had, and probably ever will. She swallowed my cum all the time. Basically she *knows* my dick.
Other women, the so called experienced women, tend to do things that she’s always been doing with all her men, which just *meh*.
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@vasafaxa
So, the male virgin is not attractive to you?
I can see that. The male virgin is not good for anything except awkwardness around women, why would any women want that?
Women want men who are more experienced than them, men want women who are less experienced than them. It’s the way of the world.
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that’s it right there. relationships between more-experienced women and less-experienced men will have a much harder time being successful.
it’s the relative level of experience that really matters. the absolute level is less important.
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seeking out a women with a lot of sexual “experience” is like putting on a condom with a lot of sexual “experience.” lzozlzlzl all that goopy giz oozing out of a condom doens’t always make it better zlzozlzlzl
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vaginasexafaxmachine writes, “One tendency I do see here is the tendency to traffic in universals. It’s not enough for something to be true for some people it has to be true for everyone. Not only are there are always exceptions for rules, but sometimes those exceptions eek up into large percentage numbers 20%-30%. ”
lozlzlzl yes 20-30% of teh time an experience, used condom is a good thing 2 use lzozlzlzllz omg lzozlzl just liek 20-30% lof teh time secretyive tapings of anal sex are good just like 20-30% of teh time ben bernanke is telling teh truth lzozlzlzlzlllz
omg what are you doing on this blog btw?
shuldn’t u be picking out your future cat toys?
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@jhbowden — Another neocon pussy, just what the world does not need. Yeah, I’m talking to you. I strongly suspect you have made exactly zero jihadists crispy, right?
I have, and I think neocons represent everything bad about the US of A: very happy to cheer OTHERS to war. Especially stupid, unwinnable wars that benefit Zionists more than Americans. Even MSNBC, that den of feminazi traitors and girlymen haters, is less offensive than the average neocon.
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On the actual topic … I have busted quite a few cherries, though that is rare among the over-25 set. Nothing like totally ruining a gal for her future husband (brotherhood only goes so far).
However, it is not that difficult to find quality, low-mileage gals even in their 30s. Not all women are sluts. A minority – a small one, but it exists – of American women do NOT buy into our disgusting culture and don’t sleep around a la Sex in the City.
Finding a nice, cute gal with low mileage is a good option. They are out there but you’re not gonna find them in bars. More like cafes, clubs, and churches. Game works there too, don’t worry.
Any gal past 27 who can count the number of cocks she’s taken with a hand and leave a finger or two unused, might be a potential LTR. I’ve found a surprising number of quality gals – meaning with a decent job, some self-esteetm, but not the average American harpy-in-training – who have had 3-4 cocks, often never have had sex without a rubber (you get the rawdog score!), and have had few serious BFs.
They are out there, waiting to be gamed … just look in the right places. Recommend you not PnD these ones, they will take it hard. Use sluts for what sluts are for.
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GBFM
“seeking out a women with a lot of sexual “experience” is like putting on a condom with a lot of sexual “experience.”
Someone posted a list of beta songs by Weezer and oddly enough their bass player is married to a prostitute who was part of some sultan’s harem.
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@ vasafaxa
The truth is that he’s attractive to the other women on this comment board as well—they’ve just decided to be completely full of shit in the name of gender equality.
Congrats on being the only honest woman on this discussion board.
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W W and j r,
Male bedroom inexperience is curable just as female inexperience is. Given our culture’s lack of prudery, this stuff is not incredibly difficult to figure out on your own (Game, on the other hand, IS very difficult to figure out on your own). My marital sex life did not improve as fast as if either one of us had had more experience going in, but getting there was half the fun, as they say.
I will admit, though, that if part of your plan for getting a girl to commit to you is being so awesome in bed she can’t live without you, having experience will be very valuable; but there are other ways to get her to fall in love with you (some men prefer the type of girl who falls in love before sex rather than after; then the sex doesn’t have to be awesome right away).
(Now that I have been applying LTR Game sex is better than it ever was, but that’s not because of technical sexual knowledge, it’s that overall desire is maintained at or near its peak.)
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neocon = Jew
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Concluding thought: Roissy has hit the proverbial nail on the head, yet again, goring one of the silliest of our feminized culture’s lies.
Girls, we want you to have low mileage, for very valid emotional, psychological, and physical reasons. If you have taken more than 10 cocks, at any age, you are a skank. No man with self-esteem wants you. So, if you went through the de riguer slut phase called “college” and took the loads of 37 fratboys … lie about to to any decent guy you meet. I can’t believe I’m telling you to be a lying piece of sh*t … but if you’re that kinda cum-dumpster, you are already massively damaged in many ways.
That women should be respectable in public, and a whore in private, is so commonsensical that the feminists have of course devoted enormous efforts for the last half-century to discrediting the obvious.
So, guys, wait for a good gal, no matter how much of a man-whore you’ve been. Women really don’t care, as long as you seem “reformed” — their egos are actually hugely boosted by “making him monogamous”. That this is of course total BS is irrelevant, just one more “noble lie” that is needed for society, such as it is, to function, such as it does.
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“if part of your plan for getting a girl to commit to you is being so awesome in bed she can’t live without you, having experience will be very valuable; but there are other ways to get her to fall in love with you (some men prefer the type of girl who falls in love before sex rather than after; then the sex doesn’t have to be awesome right away).”
That’s actually very much my plan. I’d much rather a girl get attached to me because of sex than for any other reason.
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And the less experience she has the better, which means absolutely the closer to 0 the better.
Who wants to end their life jumping off a bridge the day they met the fat, red headed, freckled plumber with stubby pig teeth who shows up at the graduation party for your fat, red headed, freckled brat who always hated you, and cursed you under his breath while pulling buttery corn silk out of his stubby pig teeth? All because you married a slut?
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ExtraStout airs it out! “Neocon” is the lib euphemism for “dirty Jew.” Get over the programming, guys! You don’t believe the lib lies about women any more, why are you still falling for the REST of their crap?
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W W,
Your plan is perfectly viable and I wish you luck; but a significant minority of high-quality girls will require a different kind of game because they won’t bed you until they’re already super into you, so your “experience” won’t be enough to get there.
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I first learned about game a few years ago.
i’ve only put it into practice in the last 18 months or so.
in that time I’ve dated hundreds of different women.
I’ve moved up the scale from 4’s to 7’s.
i can net the (rare) occasional 8 but only for one date no second date.
8’s still stun me with their beauty i cannot effectively game them yet. if the stars align and i have a good buzz plus some social game i can get this done.
9’s i am a mess- i become an afc in a heartbeat.
their beauty messes me up so bad.
this is fucking a skill. this is hard work.
so many phone numbers- thousands- so many dates sometimes i triple book on one night.
i can bed women on the second date- i can date women 13 years younger than i am v easily.
i am all for equal opportunities as i am dating women older than i am late 30’s and early 40’s.
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No doubt some leftys use “neocon” as kinder, gentler epithet for “Jew” but this is tricky because so many leftys are Jews, so …
No doubt, historically speaking, that the neocon movement was a totally Jewish thing at the creation in the late 60s and early 70s. Its values are very much those of New York Jews, usually the children of immigrants from the shtetl, who realized around the Yom Kippur War (1973) that American liberalism wasn’t altogether good for Israel.
“Is it good for the Jews?” is the first, and last, question asked by many Jews here, don’t forget it – and they go to some lengths to obfuscate (ie a nuclear Iran is a threat to America, they scream 24/7 … not really).
By no means are all neocons today Jews, though most of the prominent and powerful ones are. Center-right and center-left are dominated by these types (how different really are The New Republic and National Review, especially on foreign policy?). In many ways, American mainstream press and politics is a staged catfight between two groups of closely related Jewish intellectuals, politicians, and bankers.
The neocons have quite a few token goyim, I call them “white Jews,” and they are often more insanely devoted to Israel than 75% of Jews … but don’t forget who’s in charge.
And don’t even get me started on all the crazy sister-fucking evangelicals and their love of Israel. They obviously have no idea how Christians are actually treated by the Zionists over there.
Note that support for Israel has become the true third rail in US politics. The second Obama sounded less than supine to Tel Aviv, the shouts of “anti-Semite” could be heard all over the MSM from the usual suspects.
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FZM summarized: “No — well, yeah.”
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before game- i dated about ten women and only had a handful of different sexual partners over 20 years of being sexually active.
i did have a few multi year LTR’s.
if you read the game every single relationship or date happened the afc way.
i was put into the ljbf’s box more times than i could count.
why am i writing this- what’s the point if no one knows.
no one in real life knows the extent of what i do. they wouldn’t understand.
any time i date a new girl she may feel that i am a bit of a player- but i would never tell them the stats- never!
no need to ever tell a girl how many women you have dated or bed- ever!
the magic is gone- the butterflies on that first kiss- gone.
i still love women, i am not a misogynist in any way neither am i a racist.
i am a beta to my core and women sense this- i bed them quickly but my inner beta shines through and they know that they can cry on my shoulder for any reason and i will not judge them.
born, raised, and bred catholic- yet i can play- a few confessions and last rights- jc will understand.
more than a few women have told me they like me so very much because i understand them- and that i do not judge them for any reason.
they just are- and i understand this.
ah well.
peace.
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Btw:
my IQ, my looks, my earning power- all below average.
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@Trimegistus: I’m a lot more cheesed by goyim going to bat endlessly for Israel than by Jews who do so. Getting goyim to identify with Zionism, a foreign nationalism, was an act of real genius there.
The problem with neocons is that it’s NOT just a Jewish phenomenon. It’s reached a point where tons of none-too-smart right-wingers – I’m thinking of Gov Palin as an example – have internalized an Israel-first worldview.
If neocons were just a Jewish thing, as it was in the 70s, this would be a much smaller problem.
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My WW is all over this blog. She loves Anouk for some reason.
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@VavafaxaA man with experience is attractive to me, and I think he does have appeal.
@Dragnet The truth is that he’s attractive to the other women on this comment board as well—they’ve just decided to be completely full of shit in the name of gender equality
I agree that experience adds to a man’s attractiveness to women, it is not the sole component of attractiveness but is definitely a factor.
In fact I’ve observed that often the less experienced one party is, the more experience is attractive in the other party (I appreciate that this is not always the case and also that this only works up to a point, there is believe it or not such a thing as too much experience, even in men)
Part of the appeal of alphas rests on their assumed experience with and knowledge of woman.
Whether or not the attraction should be acted on is of course another question. I don’t think significant experience in a man is necessarily a red light in itself, but it does raise questions as to his willingness to commit, not all of us want to have our hearts broken and some of us are realistic enough to know that if a man has survived a long procession of women unscathed by any need to commit, we are certainly not special enough to change him in this regard.
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“That’s why Mystery’s directive to “leave them better than you found them” is a contradiction in terms.”
I’m pretty sure that came from Ross Jeffries.
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neocons all agree that:
secretive tapinsg of butthex without the girl’s conthent is heroic
getting otehrs 2 die on foreign shores in foeign fiat unconstitutional wars is heroic
abortion is an heroic act of self defense
preemptive war is heroic
creating debt is heroic
bankrupting a nation is heroic
raping men in divorce court is heroic
breaking up the family is heroic
teaching girls to lust after undead vampire bloodsucking monsters is heroic
getting bailed out by the taxpayers is doing god’s work
privatazing profits and socializing risk is heroic
lzozlzlzl
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I think lozlzboy walked in on his mom blowing a Neocon once and it scarred him for life.
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@greatbooksformen
“rain d’tere ”
Some of you, teach GBFM to spell!
A few of you, teach GBFM French!
But you don’t have to make it
your raison d’être!
Thor
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“In most big cities, girls are losing their virginity in HS.”
Try junior high or even elementary school.
Plenty of girls seem to be losing their virginity in 5th or 6th grade these days (or even earlier).
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omg thanx thor i didn’t catch that thanx for spell checking are you an aging neocn womenz with a ruler slapping the kids desks as they get butthexed by tucker max who tapes it withouty them knowing as you the neocn woemns yells at her pupils, “THEAT IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL BUTTHEX!” as all teh gitls call out in agony and and cry out “help! help i am getting butthexed and it is being taped without my conthent! ” lzozlzl!
lzozlzl
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greatbooksformen for President!
Bernanke fiat money Goldman bailout man taking it up the ass form Blankein Obama. World is going to hell in a hnad basket thankz to Blankfein Obama bailout and the feminist fiat Bernanke butthex.
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Eventually he’s going to break the L and Z keys on his Mom’s computer.
I also get a vibe that maybe Mom’s boyfriend once “did stuff” to lozlboy, hence his anal fixation.
Don’t worry, lozlboy, it doesn’t make you gay forever.
Actually, it does.
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hey jack pretty good but here’s ohow it’s done and please fuck teh capital letters and leave them behind like a woman who wants to go see sex and teh city 2 on a date lzozlll
omg lzozlzl Bernanke fiat money Goldman sax rhyme with tucker max as tucker max butthexes womenz and films it woithout hehir conthent and the weeklys tandard repeats the fiat lies about his hieaght and goldman sax butthexes the nation and places it in debt and the necon weekly standardth loveth it all lzozlzlzlzl bailout man from the taxpayers all teh risk goes to the tas[payers and amrines bleeding opn foreign shores in foeign wars and all the pizza goeth to jonah goldberg’s cherubic oink oink face lsoslslsl poor girls beingtrained 2 take it taking it up the ass form peopel sayingthey are doing god’s work lzozlzlzl Blankein Obama. World is going to hell in a hnad basket thankz to Blankfein Obama bailout and the feminist fiat fanboyz Bernanke butthexers killing the family and ass raping men and imprisoning the world with fiat dollars as the fiat debt trickles on down to teh common man and all trhe wealth and riches gush on up to goldman sachs whcih rhymes with tucker machs max sax sachs lzozlzl lzozlzlzlz.
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And now I think he’s just using a script to randomly post stuff. Kind of sad when you can be replaced by a couple of lines of code and nobody even notices.
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hey tehre Trimegistus nobody has ever wanted to put their tiny cock in my tight virgin anus as much as u so far so plz plz do not stand behind me i would like to keep you in my vision at all times tanhkx in advance bro lzozllzzozll remember bro’s before hos dude and r u a neocon?
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FZM, I suppose the Jews masterminded 911 too.
You mental giants forget that Israel is only the little Satan. We Muricans get the honor of being the Great Satan. Lucky us!
Secularists in the West forget what Satan is. We have a feminist theory of Satan– a big bad Hitler who forces their views on others, and thus hurts their widdle feelings. If we didn’t hurt the feelings of others, and if we send our mangina President around the world to do a bunch of submissive apologies, then we’d all get along. Especially if we chuck Israel to the fascist wolves in the same way we chucked the UK to the fascist wolves in 1939.
This is wrong. Satan in Abrahamic religions is not a bully. Satan is a tempter. Their holy war is a cultural war. The jihadists are not uneducated dolts; start educating yourself by reading Sayed Qutb and get a clue why their defeat is urgent and necessary. They draw the same (and correct) conclusions most of you people do about women, but advocate a radically different response.
For the record, I’ll be enlisting in the Army as an officer in the fall. My AFQT is 99, my GT is 148. That makes me automatically correct, right? Get a clue, morons.
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“The truth is that he’s attractive to the other women on this comment board as well—they’ve just decided to be completely full of shit in the name of gender equality.”
Bullshit. I AM telling the truth. If I remember correctly, isn’t vasafaxa the one who described her dad as an herb on another thread? Roissy, do you have any empirical data on female mate preferences based on alpha/beta status of their fathers? (obviously, for those married males who weren’t cuckolded)
I’ll suck the bottom of a greater beta provider’s feet anyday, to avoid the catastrophe that occurs when a philandering alpha attempts to marry. I don’t think alphas are capable genuine companionship. And they clearly aren’t capable of cultivating a healthy family environment either. F–ck that. And for me, sexual attraction is synonymous with LTR potential.
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@game_in_bk#
in that time I’ve dated hundreds of different women.
I’ve moved up the scale from 4′s to 7′s.
8′s still stun me with their beauty i cannot effectively game them yet. if the stars align and i have a good buzz plus some social game i can get this done.
9′s i am a mess- i become an afc in a heartbeat. this is hard work.
Roissy has the rules spot on.
But here are my personal
Observations on Dating Across Attractiveness Levels
My experience comes from 6; but I know lots of men with different levels of basic attractiveness (4-8) who’ve done the same thing. They seem to have similar experiences.
Some of this is from my personal experience, some from others.
Basic Rule
At about 8, there’s an entitlement wall with women. No matter where you come from, at this level, all men need game. An 8 woman has a much higher sense of her own social worth (unless she was an ugly duckling).
9s and 10s usually are aware that they’re the top 5% of women and behave accordingly. Even a 9-10 guy has to be on his toes.
Basic Modifiers for Hot Women
(Regardless of your attractiveness level)
At 8, you’re expected to have game to *keep* a girl.
At 9, bring hard game or get out. Many 9 guys can manage this naturally. Some seem to crash and burn. Money and power or influence required for LTRs. Nuclear asshole game very effective.
At 10, you need hard game and extra: Money. Serious social status. Power. A 10 guy still needs something else to keep a 10 girl; she is far, far more valuable than he is. Nuclear asshole game almost guarantees success: She’s surrounded by great guys, assholes make a bigger impact.
Bonus Points and General Modifiers
Creative career
+1 anywhere
Not as good for LTRs w/o demonstrated success
White guy foreigner in Asia:
+1: Rich Asian country: korea japan s’pore, includes big Chinese cities; +.5 for HK
+2: Poorer Asian countries (Malaysia, Indonesia, etc.)
+3: Poor hot woman who wants out of poor Asian country. Caution: Looks like prostitution.
Money Bonus for Asian Status Whores
(This is prostitution, but it works for a time)
-10: Half normal income (say 20K)
-2: Below average income (say 30-40k)
-1: Average income (say 40-50k)
+0: 20% above average income (say 50-80k)
+1: Top 15% Income (say $120-200k)
+2: Top 5% Income (say $500k-1m)
+3: Top 1% income (say $2m+ power)
+4: Power and serious cash (Company owner, 5m+)
+5: Power, serious cash and serious influence (Connections at highest level; rich famous 5 Movie Director and 10-Actress)
Loyalty = amount of money paid / differential in attractiveness.
Automatic +10: Mega-rich. Loyalty: Zero. Solution for loyalty: Media circus, gated compound, no male staff, prenup standard.
Country modifiers:
Big Chinese cities: As above, but +4/+5 are magnified 50%
HK: As above but increase loyalty requirements by 50% (crocodiles). Paternity tests, prenups.
Korea: Double money required for +3 and below
Japan: No bonus for +2 or below. Half bonus for +3.
White guy foreigner in W. Europe
(American/Canadian/Australian/NZer)
+1: Basic bonus, if local language spoken, +1.5
Social class: +1 / +2
Depends on social class and social class of target. You don’t need to be superior, necessarily. Can be as high as +2 if you can even match a high social class.
Sample Classes: Money (aritsocracy; privileged); educated and very socially appropriate (not the same as money); Seriously Wild Fun Guy (for Eurotrash with some money); Political class (narrow and crosses w/ educated, but not identical)
Accomplished, Cultured Black Male with Upper Classes
ONS: +2
FWB: +1.5
STR: +1
LTR: -2 (-1 in Germany)
Dating Difficulties
4-5 Male
1 point lower (3 to 4): Easy. Game just to manage LTRs.
Same level: okay, but game helps avoid abuse by GFs.
1 point higher (4 to 5, 5 to 6): Easy enough with basic game.
2 points higher (4 to 6, 5 to 7): You need good, consistent game and experience. Don’t make mistakes. 7 girl is much more valuable than 5 guy.
3 points higher: (4 to 7, 5 to 8). Rare and hard to maintain. Be in best form. You need lots of experience.
4 points higher: (4 to 8, 5 to 9): You need Nuclear Game. Bad boy biker with cash, a record and a serious attitude. Severe asshole game played at maximum volume and access to hot women somehow. Usually makes the news.
5 points higher: I’ve never seen this.
6 male
1 point lower (5): Easy peasy. Basic social skills.
Same level (6): Basic game to avoid being abused in LTRs.
1 point higher (7): Easy enough with basic game. Be consistent. Learn where to find them.
2 points higher (8): You need very good game. Bring it. Experience is very valuable.
3 points higher: (9). It can be done. Rarely. It’s difficult. Use every possible advantage you have. Be prepared for failure.
4 points higher: (10): I have no fucking idea if this is possible, honestly. Or how it could be.
7 male
2 points lower (5): Fishing in barrel. Basic social skills.
1 point lower (6): Basic social skills
Same level (7): Basic game to avoid being abused in LTRs.
1 point higher (8): Need some consistent game.
2 points higher (9): Need experienced game.
3 points higher: (10). Rare. Not much easier than 6 to 10
8 male
2 points lower (6): Breathing
1 point lower (7): Basic social skills
Same level (8): Some game.
1 point higher (9): Need consistent game, but not too hard.
2 points higher (10): Still need something to manage LTR.
9 male
3 or more points lower (6 and below): Show up.
2 points lower (7): Different girl every night
1 point lower (8): Avoid anti-game. Game useful but not required.
Same level (9): Easy enough.
1 point higher (10): Still need something else.
10 male
3 or more points lower (7 and below): Different girl every hour. Multiple lovers. Active open polygamy and willing sex slaves.
2 or more points lower (8 and below): Show up. Different girl every night.
1 point lower (9): Bring some game, especially for LTR. 9 girl is worth more than 10 man.
Same level (10): Bring consistent game, especially for LTR. 10 girl is worth more than 10 man.
Combinations:
9/10 man
Minimum Money bonus of +2
Creative job +1
=
Any woman he wants any time. Higher scores indicate what he can get away with.
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“I’m pretty sure that came from Ross Jeffries.”
Whoever it came from, it’s fucking bullshit.
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hey Trimegistus if the neocons had told u when u were growing up that butthex is not mandatory 2 be a man but optional how would have u lived ur life differently? lzozlzlz or not?
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Just don’t tell anyone how experienced you are…the end.
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Fair enough. I’ll buy into most of this.
But where does “Zeets” find these eastern Euro girls?
[ed: she’s an american citizen.]
And doesn’t it get awkward going out with girls who can’t speak correct english and likely don’t understand most social norms?
[see above]
All of this go-out-with-eastern-Euro’s talk kind of reminds me of that wierdo who doesn’t post anymore talking about taking “coeds” on Pizza Parlor dates after being set up by his cabbie friend.
[zeets normally dates american chicks, so this one is outside his usual range.]
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I want to respond to Gorbachev’s response to my quandary. It was an affirmation of my wildly pulled-out-of-my-ass strategy.
“Ignore it. Tell her: You expect her to pull her own weight. If her friends think you’re cheap, that’s nice. Why do you care what her friends think again? It’s not that it’s none of their business. It’s that you don’t care. It’s *entirely* irrelevant to you.”
On the spot I did say it was none of their business (and used some subtle shaming for her listening to them) but I also reiterated that I didn’t care what they thought.
“If she says: Well, you know, you have to show me you like me. Then you say something like: I’m here, aren’t I? (I’m the prize).”
This conversation happened almost exactly as you describe.
“I’M NOT CHEAP. IT’S FAIRNESS…she makes less money? You can go out less and do less expensive things.”
This also happened just like this. I noted that everything we do fits neatly within both our budgets, I live a very frugal lifestyle, and I had never felt the need to update that lifestyle to impress women. (More acting like the prize?)
Thanks for the response. Good to know I am reading the warning signs and responding with the appropriate moves.
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i am sooo glad that necons womenz are runninga merica lzozlzl
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@Analog Adams
I want to respond to Gorbachev’s response to my quandary. It was an affirmation of my wildly pulled-out-of-my-ass strategy.
“Ignore it. Tell her: You expect her to pull her own weight. If her friends think you’re cheap, that’s nice. Why do you care what her friends think again? It’s not that it’s none of their business. It’s that you don’t care. It’s *entirely* irrelevant to you.”
On the spot I did say it was none of their business (and used some subtle shaming for her listening to them) but I also reiterated that I didn’t care what they thought.
You made a small mistake. Don’t shame her. You must be Alpha: You just don’t give a shit.
“If she says: Well, you know, you have to show me you like me. Then you say something like: I’m here, aren’t I? (I’m the prize).”
This conversation happened almost exactly as you describe.
It’s always the same. Never lose frame. Look her in the eye and mean it. Look sincere. Because you are.
“I’M NOT CHEAP. IT’S FAIRNESS…she makes less money? You can go out less and do less expensive things.”
This also happened just like this. I noted that everything we do fits neatly within both our budgets, I live a very frugal lifestyle, and I had never felt the need to update that lifestyle to impress women. (More acting like the prize?)
Absolutely. Act like the prize.
Thanks for the response. Good to know I am reading the warning signs and responding with the appropriate moves.
Never fail. Even once. It will bite you in the ass.
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@jhbowden
“We Muricans get the honor of being the Great Satan. Lucky us!”
Yup. Yeah for jhbowden.
But I want to add about “Murcans”. This is, among
other things, an LBJ special, he spoke like that.
But he came by it honestly. He also spoke
about “oar doves” as a starter food.
But “Murcans” has another root. “Merkin”,
used by Shakespeare meaning pussy (the feline
kind). But it has taken on another meaning, in
Vaudeville shows, it is a hairy “wig” worn on
the crotch simulating pubic hair. So, unless
you are LBJ, use “Murcans” only with full knowledge
of the implications.
Thor
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Chateau says:
“It is a myth that sexually inexperienced girls are sexually repressed girls.”
Word to the up. With proper care and feeding, you can train even the most uptight Christian girl to be a sex goddess, and there is no compromise whatsoever — and little worry that she is giving you every VD known to mankind. For once you wrote an article I almost entirely agree with. Well done, asshole.
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@j r
Do you like pizza? Do you prefer it fresh out of the box, or after it’s been on the floor trampled on by an indeterminate number of people?
@FZM
You’re not likely to ever know a girl’s true number, especially if she’s in her late 20s. You can safely double or triple any number she willingly reveals to you. Even more when including non-intercourse sex in the mix.
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[…] Zeets: Then she’s telling me to close all the blinds and blow out the candles . She likes the room pitch black. I guess it was because she was uncomfortable with me seeing her naked body in the lights. She’s got the bedsheets pulled …Click Here […]
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@ Anony:
“A virgin male can offer the gift of specialness to a woman.”
I’m sure all those involuntarily celibate men will be glad to hear that. 🙄
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greatbooksformen is the bastion of truth. Noble men, women, and children alike call his name on high.
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It was an ancient Roman who penned the following:
“There is no such thing as a chaste woman, just a woman who has hasn’t been asked. Any man upset by his wife’s amours is a rustic.”
Somethings just don’t change.
But, I must agree, if a girl is “highly experienced” she isn’t worth a long term investment by a man. Marriage for a man is a serious business. He has to trust and depend on his wife. Many modern women just don’t seem to get this.
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Chateau–
This is true.
There’s a special joy, thrill and satisfaction in encouraging and training a relatively inexperienced girl to be a terrific one man devoted slut. Yours. This can also work really well when she’s only had lackluster sex with two or three long term higher beta type boyfriends. She’ll then really be convinced deep in her gut that you’re a sex god. A lot else will seem like bs to her; that will seem oh so real.
She’s likely bordering on certain to bond with you like superglue. That can be a very good thing, but letting her down easy is I think a moral necessity. That means easing her into it and taking some time. Then again she may just let you get away with unheard of stuff among American girls, once a girl is nuts about a guy. Such as seeing other girls too sometimes in a reasonably discrete, deniable to her friends way especially.
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anony–
God you’re wedged.
You’re being false to us and most likely false to yourself all the time.
Men and women may have equal worth but no they aren’t equal in all respects and they certainly aren’t fundamental the same “but for social programing”. Which is where is bit of feminist absurdity comes from. Even most feminists wouldn’t say what you did though, or anyway the few who are pretty on up and have sexual experience with clearly hot guys (alphas).
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@jhbowden – Well, well … Seem to have hit a nerve, haven’t we?
For the record, Khalid Sheik Muhammad was behind 9/11. How nice of you to demonstrate how any criticism of Israel of Zionism must, obviously, equal “anti-Semitism”.
So, we just have to read Qutb, eh? Wow, you are wicked smaaaaaht (as we say where I come from). Wish *I* had thought of that!
If Islam is the problem, what’s the solution, genius-boy?
I was carrying a gun for Uncle Sam when you were still crapping in your diaper. Have fun in the Army, we should chat again when (make that if) you come home. I want you to come home in a bodybag, but far juster would be you coming home, with a long detour at Landstuhl and WRAMC, missing whatever little balls you have, you annoying little cocksucker.
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Tinderbox
“You’re not likely to ever know a girl’s true number, especially if she’s in her late 20s. You can safely double or triple any number she willingly reveals to you. Even more when including non-intercourse sex in the mix.”
Wait butthex, blowjobs, handjobs, fingerbangs, etc. do not count?
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Fat, stupid, and anal-obsessed is no way to go through life, lozlboy.
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@Roissy,
“Men can never have too much sexual experience.”
I used to think like you too. But beyond a number like say 40- 50 including a sampling of all the races and other variations .. it does hit the point of diminishing returns .. mainly because you begin to see the tress and the bark .. and also because sex is a drug .. you need higher and higher doses to get the same thrill .. true there are always higher and higher challenges .. but with progress your “true” subjective victories become fewer and far between .. I sometimes feel that I should have paced myself .. like somebody famous once said ..What is worse than not getting what you once desired is getting it exactly like you desired it ..
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Duude, zeets most likely got played big time .. no way you can catch such lies from a young woman of another culture .. especially when “zeets” is so insecure as to brag about a very trivial thing like bedding a girl from a lower SE background .. jeez keyboard alphas ..
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ok no lzozlzlzlzozlzozllzozlles in this post as i have something serius 2 say 2 all my meryy band of bortehrs.
to the ladies of our generation–how i wish–how i wish
did bernanke get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
isn’t that funny
taht if we got rid of the federal reserve
the divorce regime would collapse
tucker max’s debt-creating butthexing escapes would remain unhyped
the endless foreign wars on foreign shores owuld end
marines would stop bleeding 2 death while neocons shoved dc pizza into their cherubic places
the twilight movies would have a harder time getting funded and hyped alongside tucker’s butthexing book on the front table of every borders & b&n
feminism would be defunded
no longer would women be deosuled via neoconning butthex and other anal activities
all the programs which turn womenz into wealth-transferring slutty sluts would go unfunded
all the programs which deconstruct and debauch the great books would witehr away
america would no longer be placed in massive debt in teh service of a private banking cartel
children would no longer be denied a father by the fed-fuinded divorce industry
men wouldn’t have to pay for teh past use of a pussy now getting pounded by bikers and drummers
women wouldn’t be fooled into trading a walk on part outside the wall, for a lead role in the cage–working for ben bernake in the debt-based prison of slutty spinsterhood
this song goes out to 2 all teh desouled, sluttified, spinster-bound owmenz of my generation who never knew that tucker max was filimning teh butthex session without their conthnet, and never realized that charlotte allen would be repeating tucker max’s lies about ebging six foot tall in the weekly standard as a buthesxual hero.
ladies–they got you to trade a walk on part outside the wall as a wife and mother and grandmother–for a lead role in bernanke’s butthexing “tiucker max rhymnes with goldman sax” fiat debt cave
did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
this is a cool video as it oipens one of your fuiture cats.
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Statistically speaking women from lower SE backgrounds are more sluttier and have had more partners .. there are exceptions of course .. but if the girl has the gall to go out of her hometown and decide to live all alone in an American city .. she is no way as inexperienced and naive as she is portrayed .. Shopping for a girlfriend from another culture (particularly a lower SE one) is akin to playing in the pink sheets .. true you might luck out rarely .. but most often than not you will lose your shirt .. later on that is.
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Amen.
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lolzllzlz!!
new blog post!!
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/to-the-ladies-of-our-generation%E2%80%93how-i-wish%E2%80%93how-i-wish-u-were-here-lololzlol/
share da love!!
tweet it, beat it, repeast it!
just don’t butthex it as you’ll hex it. lzozlzlzlz
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As long as I can drop loads until I get bored with her I don’t give a shit how many have been there before or how many will come after.
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Fabian
In Thailand a lot of the girls will pretend to speak only limited English, so that you don’t get the idea that they are used to talking with foreigners. It took me 4 months of dating this girl to realize her English was better than she was letting on. And the fact that she held out to the third date was a pure ploy.
But the stories of improving a sexually inexperienced girls ability are true. I made a manual for one girl, and she became an A student. But while there is no negative correlation to being virginal and having a healthy sex drive, there is no correlation either. Sometimes no amount of education will repair the limp chemistry.
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Gorbachev- ahh yes. I speak D&D fluently- Thanks.
Just had a horrible blow out on a date with an older lawyer. Ehh face, smoking hot body. Lawyers have been killing me lately. The only way I can game them is at 10pm after they have had 2 or 3 shots. At that point they just want to fuck- thats easy. But I want to get there with them sober and that is fucking hard.
Lawyers work such long hours that they drink and fuck hard. Plus they usually live alone- but I’m sick of meeting them at 10 and getting home at one on a tuesday. I’m trying to drink less- work out more, and get to bed earlier. I can’t game lawyers on 1st dates- early in the evening while they are sober. And I can game pretty well while sober.
They are high t- super bitchy and know it all. They want to get into pissing contests and stare you down till you back down. Wtf am I doing wrong? How do you game a sober lawyer at 7pm on a date?
Keep in mind: Lawyers usually have traveled extensively, and have usually volunteered for womens rights.
What’s effective lawyer game?
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There is a delicious dominance aspect to this. One virgin for whom I became her first love would remind me how this or that event was the first to happen in her life. First motorcycle crash, first time visiting a strip joint, first trip to Koh Chang. This seemed significant to her – and all those powerful emotions with only me to attach them to.
But, the trick is simply to have firsts with other girls, even when they are less virginal. Thrill them in ways they never expected. There are many virgin territories still out there, unexploited.
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I think the following post is relevant to this discussion:
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/05/dont_forget_what_the_miss_usa.html
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Oh, and I know I’ve said this many times. Some sluts are basically virgins, in that they never learned to properly get into their man and themselves.
Guys should be amazed and encouraged by this.
Or discouraged, depending on how well you can fuck.
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“What’s effective lawyer game?”
Fucking not dating lawyers.
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Polymath
The risk of infidelity is greater if the girl has had a lot of guys, irrespective of how much she bonds with you.
But is it worth the cost?
If you want to bond and stay monogamous long term, this implies a responsibility to not leave when you get bored or disinterested.
If the girl is already experienced, you can just go when you need to go.
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@xsplat
Oh, and I know I’ve said this many times. Some sluts are basically virgins, in that they never learned to properly get into their man and themselves.
Guys should be amazed and encouraged by this.
Or discouraged, depending on how well you can fuck.
Awesome superchill WW has some opinions. She’s been following this and thinks men and Pick Up Artists are full of it.
Passing it over to her.
WW: ”
variety or experience in a guy means shit
most men cannot fuck. they are really bad at sex. a quarter are okay. about 10% are good. few are spectacular. women cant guess by apearance and talk is cheap
100 women means 100 unhappy women. pump and dump
incredible how bad some men are whov been with 40+ women.
what the hell, wanna see a girl twice this is your skill dudes show some enthusiasm
wype her mind of anyone else
no idea how disapointing it is for a man to suck in bed
”
There you go. A woman’s opinion.
My opinion: I go with “some sluts are basically virgins”. You can bond a girl in the bedroom. You can bond her hard, if you love sex and make her sing. You can own her. Women who don’t get this from their bfs/husbands can get addicted.
That’s the only real advantage of being with a player for a woman. If you’ve got an actual personality, so much the better.
Women are useful for so many things.
GBFM: They’re also good for Sandwich making, yes. Also soup.
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@game_in_bk
Just had a horrible blow out on a date with an older lawyer. Ehh face, smoking hot body. Lawyers have been killing me lately.
Get used to it. They do it a lot. Lawyer Bitches and bastards.
The only way I can game them is at 10pm after they have had 2 or 3 shots.
4 or 5.
At that point they just want to fuck- thats easy. But I want to get there with them sober and that is fucking hard.
You need nasty game for them. Asshole game works a treat. It’s all about dominance with them. Trail lawyers are the worst. The live for conquest and surrender. Usually both. And they fuck like they’re empty and want drain you dry.
Lawyers work such long hours that they drink and fuck hard. Plus they usually live alone- but I’m sick of meeting them at 10 and getting home at one on a tuesday.
Want to get laid by lawyers, this is your themesong.
I’m trying to drink less- work out more, and get to bed earlier. I can’t game lawyers on 1st dates- early in the evening while they are sober. And I can game pretty well while sober. They are high t- super bitchy and know it all. They want to get into pissing contests and stare you down till you back down. Wtf am I doing wrong? How do you game a sober lawyer at 7pm on a date?
Have money, be hot, have obvious dominance, see them over time. Get a Lawyer Friend With Benefits. Find one, tool her, call her up before she leaves work, invite her for drinks and skip the drinks.
Keep in mind: Lawyers usually have traveled extensively, and have usually volunteered for womens rights.
What’s effective lawyer game?
My experience has been: Alcohol and late nights.
BTW, usually not that much fun. Sometimes you find one. Not often. Extreme bitchiness.
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Love the quote on that blog. Says it all.
“Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen”
Trans. roughly:
“”What you can’t talk about, you have to keep silent about”.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/05/dont_forget_what_the_miss_usa.html
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it fucking blows my mind the shit chicks feed themselves and others with their mouth-muscles. that fuckheaded “sniper” slut above –
whenever a chick resorts to flaunting her “intelligence,” her “character” or whatever as though it somehow separates them from the ‘airhead’ brand of slut you can just turn around and walk away. what the fuck do they think, that we’re criminally stupid or something? they think these men believe for a second that their being ‘smarter,’ ‘nerdier,’ ‘classier’ or whatever meant a damn thing? that they’re completely as likely to’ve taken fifty alpha boners as the supposed red light girls they think they have nothing in common with? we saw it, you stupid fucking sluts! we saw it all happen! there’s no faith with you either! you’re like every other girl on the planet – an emotional liability! and full of the worst shit imaginable to boot!
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girls 2 do the dishes girls to clean up my room and in teh bed room!!
omg this is so cool i had no idea c.a. and team butthex starred in a beastie boyz movei video
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game_in_bk, i imagine your experience isn’t that different to that of most men coming to game. i personally struggle to reign in my old beta behaviors – i struggle with meting out as little emotional or physical support as possible, where not necessary (or of my own beta impetus.) i never compliment, ever. and i feel as though i’ve committed some awful sin each time, as if i’ve hurt another human being in some unforgiveable way. but it’s just a mindset, a kind of inertia. alphahood is just living with the barriers of your world ending around your own, and every other person or thing just a stimulus trying to break the bubble.
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FZM, after you finish your Viagra, make sure you change into a clean pair of Depends.
If you don’t, you’ll be grumpy. Trust me.
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Gorbachev,
“Never fail. Even once. It will bite you in the ass.”
Amen. Gotta keep the hand. I view it like Dave from Hawaii said – after a long wilderness, he realized that his wife’s initial attraction to him came from inviting her into _his world_, a world in which he was the boss and she respected him. He got that self-determined world back and so won back the loyal passions of his wife.
A mistake men make is to try to attend to a woman’s needs, to put her first and try to “make her happy.” In many cases it is an honest mistake, since despite the TV sitcoms most guys are practical and generally enjoy the idea they are improving someone else’s life.
In some cases it’s a sign of a dysfunctional culture that trains its boys to do all the wrong things (pedestalizing, deference, personal shame and lack of alpha fortitude) for attracting women and keeping society working smoothly.
In any case, it’s been repeated by Roissy, Richard Devlin and others that a nuclear mistake with your paramour is to “try to make her happy.” (Devlin says it is the Rubicon of divorce, a positive feedback loop where the wife reaches maximum aggravation with betatude and walks out.) Dwelling and obsessive attention won’t make your lady “happy” any more than calling a bunch of times after the first date and telling her you love her will get you true, tingled tail.
That’s not at all to say you shouldn’t give your LTR lady any attention. Just like your recommendation to pay spontaneously and occasionally, attention must be doled out from a position of strength, not one of supplication or entitlement.
I’m getting it upstairs, just lagging on putting the boots on the ground.
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FZM — Since Washington and Jefferson, the founding fathers have explicitly compared themselves to Israel and the Jews, with a “New Covenant” with God guiding America. Washington’s letter to the Synagoge of Rhode Island is typical, and deeply embedded in the Evangelical Psyche.
Simply put, American Evangelicals, whose main and often only point of reference is the Bible, view themselves as “New Jews” with their own Covenant with God. Which is why they generally like and identify with the originals.
Moreover, since Washington’s time, Muslims have been taking Americans captive, killing them, and enslaving them. Americans don’t like Muslims much. Even less since 1979. Even less since 9/11. Indifferent treatment by Israelis in the Holy Land is far better than being forbidden entirely by Muslims. Which was the case until Israel came into being. Twain, no “neocon” hated the Muslims, and said very bad things about them, and liked Jews. Even though an atheist, Twain remained culturally, Samuel Clemens, raised like Lincoln on the Bible, and quoting it and its attitudes frequently.
American Jews of the SWPL just can’t understand *why* Evangelicals have always liked and identified with Israel and Jews. It is simply put the deep cultural liking of one underdog for another, one Chosen People for another. That’s unsettling. Because it is true. Assimilated middle class but fabulously wealthy Hollywood moguls who were Jews, the Warners and Mayers, understood this of course. Your Latte-sipping SWPL won’t, and no one does SWPL better or more completely than Jews these days. A few outliers like David Mamet excepted.
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gbfm,
the “license to ill” album was originally titled “Don’t Be a Faggot”, but the neocons at columbia records wanted their message of pro-butthex to be paired with fiat debt
horovitz, diamond, schwartz, yauch, and rubin were happy to comply to this request, and later apologized to the public for dissuading the practice of butthex
funny enough, my first “fiat debt” was one of those Columbia House cd mail order deals
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lozlzlzlzlzl
i’m getting famouser and famouser!!!!
http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/05/gleaning-meaning.html
“The following touch upon topics of interest to most most of you that read my blog: Game, the cultural indoctrination of both men and women that lead to dysfunction and divorce, and how fiat masters like Bernanke uses the fiat dollar to desoul women by secretly taping teh butthex.
llolollzlzlolz.”
lozlzlzlzlzlzzl!! –http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/05/gleaning-meaning.html
“Finally, no review of Roissy commenters would be complete without getting to the most amusing commenter to arrive at the Chateau recently, the estimable GreatBooksForMen…llolzlozlzolz!
This guy has found the most annoying, but simplified way of explaining the NWO conspiracy theory in teenager styled txt lingo. Many people get annoyed with him, and they repeatedly ask Roissy to ban him. They don’t realize that there is a method to his apparent madness.
“yah dude rights nbow i am soo far ahead of america that i needs 2 repeat myself a bit until everything gets caught up.”
Within reading his first 5 or so posts when he first arrived at the Chateau, I got this immediately…of course, I’m well read in everything he refers to in his disjointed rambles.
Eventually, some people try to understand just what the hell GBFM is talking about with all of his references to fiat currency, neo-con butthex, etc. and how it all corrupts America. Than he drops the knowledge, by quoting Mises.org:
“The linkage between character and money has everything to do with self-ownership. Aside from one’s body, the most personal property one may possess is the fruit of one’s labor. In a capitalist society, typically, this labor gets rewarded in the form of money — a paycheck. Hence, a person’s sense of value and self-worth is significantly influenced by how society values his labor — with money not only being that most personal asset, but also being the measuring rod. In days gone by, an individual developed character by learning that an honest day’s work would be rewarded with honest money (i.e., gold). Never has there been a more stable measure of value than gold.
In 1913, at the behest of the richest and most powerful banking elites in the world, an agent of social decay was established in the United States. Indeed, the Federal Reserve was founded. The stabilizing influence of gold money, gradually, was replaced by government fiat. Consequently, the character of Americans depreciated in lockstep with its fiat currency.
With his spastic act, he no doubt has gotten more than a few people to at least begin to look into just what the hell he’s rambling on about with his constant references to fiat currency, the Federal Reserve and how the banksters have financed the social engineering of our feminist-warped society betwixt all the gratuitous typos and references to neo-con butthex.
lolzlzolzolzolzz! ”
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http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/05/gleaning-meaning.html
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They also tend to be quite clingy afterwards.
Level of clinginess is a decent proxy for how much a woman has been used up. A virgin will stick to you after a single fuck, but a lawyer won’t feel anything when you never call her back.
But keep in mind that some girls will cling just to send out that signal of innocence and trick you into keeping her. Those girls usually give off other signs of their poor quality though.
Zeets girl sounds exactly like the FOB Chinese girl I banged last month. To me it was very annoying though, because I knew she wasn’t good enough to keep around and train. I haven’t contacted her since I left the country on the 1st.
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Only because I’m a great teacher. Forget breakup sex, nothing beats workplace sex.
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GBFM:
Honestly, how many times have you had consensual sex with a natural born female human?
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Good comments above. Yes, no matter how old a man is, the best kissers and freshest experiences are most often 18-21. This necessitates moving to a region where women this age are OK dating men over 40 (if you are over 40).
Keep in mind that East European virgins in the USA are different from those found in the wild. These most often do not speak English and are not on Facebook or with any marriage agency. Even an American who has wisely learned to speak the local language faces a barrier of propaganda that has painted western businessman as married sex tourists (and if iVAWA passes in the US Congress, $ billions will be spent by US feminists driving home the point to foreign women that US males are bad news).
The 9s and 10s are so proud that, even if they are unemployed and daddy makes no more than $200 per month, they will reject a good looking western businessman who doesn’t run tight game. I would even say you need tighter game in Eastern Europe than in the west.
The only advantage in the east is that, once you number close, they are not going to flake later (feminist influence in the west causes women 18-21 to have serious second thoughts about the 30+ businessman that had them so excited talking last night – feminism tells young women that there is always someone better around the corner).
Just recently I took a 6 hour period to try to rearrange my MLTR to include someone I really wanted to kiss. I decided I wanted a 10. It would probably have to be someone 25-30 years younger.
Practicing day game, the 9s and 10s blew me off in the street but two solid 8s asked me if I wanted their phone number. Not wanting to call it a day so easily, I uncharacteristically entered a disco around 11PM.
The disco was filled with college students 18-21 who were mostly 7s, 8s and 9s (another advantage of Europe is that there is no mentally sick requirement for bouncers to try to keep women 18-20 out of such a venue – in the USA I was once refused entry to an under 21 bar because the morons who ran the place assumed that only molesters would consider dating women 18-20).
Unlike absolutely everyone who were sitting at tables with friends and NOT socializing with strangers, I stood close to the dance floor like I was a foreigner who didn’t know better. I positioned myself near a table with two rare 10s and a 7, all age 20 and college students.
The music was deafening – it seems not to be to a man’s advantage when music is so loud. I have never understood why the best looking young women congregate in the one spot where it is too loud to talk to them – except maybe that they see this is as a shit test, meaning that a man with the guts to game them over incredibly loud music must be really worthwhile.
In any event, tight game means overcoming incredibly loud music.
Over the course of 20 minutes I made eye contact a few times with them but I was either shy or, as it turned out in the case of one of the 10s, she was completely not interested. Finally, the other 10 and I locked eyes for 2 seconds before she then shook her head no and grimaced.
This ticked me off and gave me the courage to approach if only to confirm that she was a nasty person who would reject a good looking foreigner for no reason, simply because he was at the disco.
Over the really loud music. I asked the two if there was a venue in the city where Americans would feel welcome. I said “in this place the people are really rude to strangers and that is not fair”.
As noted, one of the 10s was a nasty person. The one who had grimaced and shook her head no also spent almost 10 minutes giving me every impression that she was not interested.
If I were not dealing with 10s, I would have walked away.
The situation of me leaning over a table under harsh loud music and facing a seemingly hostile pair of 10s was brutal.
But the definition of a 10 is someone whom you will pull out all the stops to win. A 10 is so rare and so worthwhile (in bed) that it is worth risking having the bouncer throw you out for. It is not as if you should think “I want to preserve my dignity so I can at least get the 9 a few tables down”. No, a 10 is logarithmically better than a 9. Don’t compromise. Take humiliating public rejection before you give up on a 10 in order to preserve a chance with a 9.
What Roissy says about not hovering is true, but that only applies when the woman has turned her back to you and the communication has stopped. It does not apply to a woman who is shit testing the hell out of a man while appearing disinterested.
The nasty 10 said “And what do you want from us.” I said I would like to meet a nice woman and maybe get married some day. Then they joked to me that they were lesbians and/or only 15 years old (they were 20).
I decided I had no choice but to drop the nuclear bomb that 9s and 10s often need to soften their hard attitude. It is my version of nuclear asshole game.
I don’t know if this works in feminist America (I haven’t been there in too many years) but the nuclear bomb that often has to be dropped in East Europe is to say something like: “You realize that a woman may have maybe 3 or 4 years of looking beautiful enough to attract the best men – after that, at the very least, she will never again have the power to be rude to a good man”.
I explained to the nice one that I had no choice but to try to find out if she was a “good person” because her appearance was the kind that would make me physically loyal for a lifetime (this line works in this region). This changed everything, but I wasn’t out of the woods yet.
The nice one said “We KNOW you are married with children just looking for sex in our country”. We went back and forth on this but I basically said “I beg you to believe me that I have never been married. You are so beautiful that it would be the greatest irony and the greatest tragedy to be rejected by one such as you out of the false belief that I already found someone”.
At this point the bad 10 and the 7 went off to dance, but I thought they had gone off to get the manager to get the bouncers to throw me out. But the connection had actually formed with the other woman and I sat down and we talked for an hour, where the loud music became my friend: she put her mouth right up to the left of my mouth to shout into my ear. You know someone likes you when they don’t aim directly for the ear but basically brush mouths. I held her hand most of the time. Long kiss close and verified number close with pre-planned first date.
I know that 99% of men would have taken the grimace and the shaking of the head “no” to mean “don’t come near me”.
Feminists try to say that No means No.
In terms of signals about whether to approach or not, a grimace and a No can be just a shit test. A “what do you want from us” is just a shit test. And certainly a “We KNOW you are married with children and just looking for sex” is just a shit test.
The only thing that isn’t a shit test is if a 10 calls the bouncer to have you thrown out (never happened to me but I would venture to say that a man who hasn’t had that happen has probably also lost out on a number of opportunities with the very best looking women where he took a shit test as a rejection and walked away too soon).
Incidentally, the 20 year old said that she considers all men under 25 to be “little boys”. Despite all the shit tests, I wasn’t disadvantaged in this.
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good fucking christ,
according to whiskey, the founding fathers were aspirant jews, different only in their displacement from an ‘underdog’ status. contemporary jews, baffled as to why anyone would root against perpetual victimhood, cannot help but bleat out for blank-slate reductionism in all cases but their own. diasporic jewish liberals are simply confused about the intention of white non-muslims, and thus trumpet against that group’s interests in dramatic disproportion.
i don’t feel particularly motivated to cite the combination of judiasm and paganism mashed up into the torah reeeee-mixxxxxxx.
judaism is ethnocentric conservative religion without the plaguing seed of ‘rudderless compassion’. personally, i love that! judaism also suggests that its applicants be turned down twice to “prove” their devotion. hmmm, doesn’t sound like the ‘categorical imperative’ to me!!!
staying at 3% of the population is a much cleaner look. otherwise, you would develop a proletariat.
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@FZM:
I was carrying a gun for Uncle Sam when you were still crapping in your diaper. Have fun in the Army, we should chat again when (make that if) you come home. I want you to come home in a bodybag, but far juster would be you coming home, with a long detour at Landstuhl and WRAMC, missing whatever little balls you have, you annoying little cocksucker.
I carried one too back in the day. You’re the annoying cocksucker.
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I am still a virgin and my boyfriend is much older gentleman who has a lot of sexual experience. I would like very much if he could be my first (and only), but i am worried that maybe he finds me too sexually inexperienced.
I am very attracted to him and ofc i love him therefore I am more than willing to try everything in bed.
He keeps reassuring me that he is very turned on by that. But i always got the impression that men like more experienced women so i am still insecure. And you know… what if i don’t live up to his fantasies? Cause he finds me amazingly attractive and he has already this idea that I’ll be epic in sex. I don’t want to disappoint him.
But i guess if older American men like you guys here don’t mind virgins, then i shouldn’t be as worried as i am now?
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@FAM:
“Americans don’t like Muslims much. Even less since 1979. Even less since 9/11.”
Yup. Naturally. I am personally an agnostic, but I am
OK with any religion that does not have as part
of its creed the mission to kill or enslave me.
That means, in practice, any religion except Islam.
I am reading a book, “Cruel and Usual Punishment”
by Nonie(?) Darwish. Great stuff.
She makes the point that
Islam is carefully constructed to be about optiomal
and very useful.
… for a desert tribe whose main source of sustenenance
is caravan raiding.
Thor
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@ jhbowden – you don’t “enlist” as an officer, you’re commissioned. You’re the clueless moron.
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@Thor: Islam isn’t a religion in the Western sense, all the BS about “Abramic religions” aside, rather a brilliant method for exerting control over primitive peoples. It bears striking resemblance to Mormonism in many ways. Islam is weird in theory, not always so in practice. No getting around the religious nature of AQ, but willing a war with Islam by mindless support for Israel is simply stupid. Kill AQ wherever they are, smack down Muslim countries that act like assholes and attack Americans, otherwise leave the region alone to the extent we can.
@whiskey: There is some truth in your comments, but FAR more important to American unconditional support for Israel is the transformation of US Jewry after 1967, liberals nearly all, when they had to feel a tad guilty about occupying Palestinian land, which many prominent Israelis like Moshe Dayan opposed, knowing the moral rot it would lead to. In response, the Jews invented a new Holocaust-based political theology that could be used to justify … anything. Read Norman Finkelstein, he’s so money on this. Proof that you are wrong comes from the US reaction to the 1956 war, which was pretty naked Israeli, UK, and French aggression against Nasser’s Egypt. What did Ike do? He forced them to withdraw in strong diplomatic terms. Impossible to see any US president doing that today.
@jhbowden: I don’t need Viagra to service hotties, but I hope to live long enough that I do. Ditto on the Depends. No go step on a mine, grasshopper.
@Tyrone: Are you a schvartzer? Assume so with that “Irish” name. Go fuck yourself.
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“judaism also suggests that its applicants be turned down twice to “prove” their devotion. hmmm, doesn’t sound like the ‘categorical imperative’ to me!!!”
Obviously. I’m surprised that you don’t see the commonality between Kantian ethics and modern-day secular progressivism.
I’ll give you a hint: (inessential modifier – spiritual/secular) EGALITARIANISM.
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“Fourteen niggaz in line ready to bang yo’
pride-and-joy, I mean daddy’s little angel
Tell the little bitch to bring her ass out the house
cause your daughter’s known, for givin up the nappy dug out…
Mister, mister, before you make me go
I’m here to let you know your little girl is a hoe
Nympho, nympho, boy is she bad
Get her all alone and out comes the kneepads
I know she is a minor and it is illegal
but the bitch is worse than Vanessa Del Rio
And if you de-cide to call rape
we got the little hooker on tape”
Now that sums it up. 🙂
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Simply put, American Evangelicals, whose main and often only point of reference is the Bible, view themselves as “New Jews” with their own Covenant with God.
Ummm, isn’t that kinda the entire thesis of Christianity in general? You know… the messiah came… the old covenant was fulfilled… now there is a new covenant… the kosher and the un-kosher are now together, the jews must accept the gentiles into the covenant, and so on… as per the Apostle Paul.
Yup, I’m pretty sure that every single Christian since the time of, well, Christ, has viewed himself as a “new jew” with his own covenant with God. That is pretty much the essense of Christianity, and it is universal to all of them, including the Founding Fathers.
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I do agree, btw, that most people are completely clueless as to the nature of Judaism.
In fact, Judaism is not that much different that Islam, really. Both are inherently violent and are oppressive to other peoples.
Most westerners think that Judaism is somehow “nice” because it is related to Christianity. But, if they actually read the Bible, they should be horrified by the Jews.
Don’t forget when the Jews spent 40 years wandering in the desert. What, exactly, were they doing as the foundations of their religion were being written down?
They were attacking every single nation of peoples that they came across. The people in Jericho didn’t attack the Jews, the Jews attacked them and destroyed them – unprovoked. Even when they fought Moses’ wife’s tribe, the Minna-something-ites, it says in the Bible that the Jews killed every man, woman and child, and basically wiped them from the face of the earth.
This is basically what the jews did. They wandered around as a rogue, nationless state, attacking everyone they came across because “they displeased God” and they were vicious and brutal and killed everywhere they went.
We would definitely be opposed to such a people today… kinda like, um, Al Quaeda.
That old covenant has never been fulfilled for the Jews, and they are still living under that paradigm. It ought to not make us feel to friendly to the Jewish religion.
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yeah… cause a woman is like a pizza… great analogy.
in this world there are madonnas and there are whores. and then there is a whole range in between, which is where most women fall. personally, i want neither a madonna nor a whore. even the sweet innocent virgin can betray you once she gets a little knowledge of the outside world. so either put your woman in a burqa and keep her in the house or learn to deal keep your pimp hand strong.
a lot of you guys need to come to terms with your own insecurity. if a girl is a slut who can’t be trusted, that will manifest itself in a number of different ways. learning to see those signals will do you much better than obsessing over how many guys she’s been with. if she’s not a slut who can’t be trusted, then make sure your game is tight and you’re fucking her correctly. that’s pretty much all there is to it.
ps – there’s a lot of weird homoerotic talk about how many cocks she’s sucked or how many loads she’s had in her. why would you even be thinking about shit like that?
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I like political discussion on this blog, because in addition to male-female relationships it has general themes of skewering pretty lies and analyzing the decline of Western Civilization. But I’ve gotta say that the hijacking of this thread sucks because the quality of the debate is so low.
Although I’m a big HBD guy myself, there’s something about the subject of Jews (and also about the subject of people of African ancestry) that makes people wacky.
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ain’t that the truth.
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like to throw a caveat in there when i said i was below average: compared to alpha, model, hedge fund new yorkers that is.
lawyers yeah. i have been able to fuck them- but its drunk caveman game. i have always had trouble rapping with them early in the evening while sober.
i want to refine my game to all different types of women- so the lawyers present a sort of challenge to round my game out.
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Unfortunately, no one can be told what Cult Christianity is. You have to see it for yourself.
This is your last chance, you stop reading now, and you can go back to a normal world. Or you can click the link and have the image of Cult Christianity burned into your mind….. forever.
Really, posting this is just mean. It’s like giving a five-year old a fork and telling them not to stick it in a power outlet.
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a slut CAN bond to a male–this is false. most sluts have tossed their pussies around like a volleyball but have never surrendered their hearts and souls to a dominant male.
in fact, it is likely she acted a slut to protect herself from doing this.
no matter how many cocks a woman has sat on the man that utterly dominates her and makes her into a silly little girl again will own her lock, stock and barrel for as long as he maintains that frame.
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FZM:
“I was carrying a gun for Uncle Sam when you were still crapping in your diaper. Have fun in the Army, we should chat again when (make that if) you come home. I want you to come home in a bodybag, but far juster would be you coming home, with a long detour at Landstuhl and WRAMC, missing whatever little balls you have, you annoying little cocksucker.”
You’ve gone WAY over the line, Bub.
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Roissy, where are you publishing your blog from now? I get that you’re no longer in DC… NYC?
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Roissy, can one give a christian side hug and still be Alpha?
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These women are MUCH more common that 90% of the community realizes. Ive tailored my game to target this type.
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The best game to play with a woman attorney is paintball. Especially if she doesn’t have a paintball gun. There is NO reason to date lawyers.
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I don’t think sex with a virgin always has to be awkward. If shes comfortable with you it should all go down smoothly aside from perhaps the first few penetrations.
A clingy, nervous seeming girl could easily be a mentally derranged slut. Iv’e known quite a few, they’re so used to getting pumped and then dumped after sex or fucked while they are drunk that they’re extra nervous when having sex, especially with a bf or someone they like. They often think there is something wrong with them for these failures, and it doesn’t alwasy occur to them the guys were just after sex, they have a tendency to feel used and overly emtionally about the encounters.
The cock carousel makes some girls cold and numb, some girls it makes straight up crazy, bunny boiling clingers-on. There was this girl once who i knew was a slut coz she fucked 3 guys i knew in a short period of time. I gave her the benefit of the doubt coz she was cute and decided to get it on with her one night coz she kinda liked me, but she was such a loser, didn’t have a clue, really nervous i didn’t even bother going through with it.
I spoke with 2 of the buddies who fucked her since then and one of them described it as the “worst sex I ever had” and the other “it was like fucking a child”. Neither of them bothered to hit it again, even though they could have.
Chances are a virgin will only be giving it up to you because shes comfortable and likes you more than most guys, which is a good platform for some great sex.
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I would be wary of throwing the slut label around. It kind of ruins any fidelity (heh) your slut-finding system might have when you just throw it at any female without knowing her.
And if “all women are sluts” then what’s the point of even having a system of red flags and warnings? It’s illogical, and I thought men should be above that.
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Sniper,
“ardent” disqualified himself from serious consideration by his stupid insults. He probably saw your blog and you were so far outside his normal experience of women that he couldn’t believe you were capable of making any sense.
On the other hand, your original post has right now 10 thumbs up and 35 thumbs down, so there is a general view that you need to back up what you are saying with more detail.
Since I already know your unusual personality type I can believe that you look on too much sexual experience in a man more negatively than most girls do; but I suspect lots of people here will say that what you say you value is different from what actually has turned you on in the past, so you should probably address that.
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@the realist
I gave her the benefit of the doubt coz she was cute and decided to get it on with her one night coz she kinda liked me, but she was such a loser, didn’t have a clue, really nervous i didn’t even bother going through with it.
I spoke with 2 of the buddies who fucked her since then and one of them described it as the “worst sex I ever had” and the other “it was like fucking a child”. Neither of them bothered to hit it again, even though they could have.
Is it just me (I think it might be), or is there something callous / cold about guys using virgins just to get their rocks off?
I’m not trying to be chivalrous, here, but some of the attitudes guys have seem to lack even the most basic human empathy. This instinct in me may not always be activated for slutty girls or ONSs, but for virgins?
I’d hope guys would feel responsibility to make sure she’s in good shape and the experience is positive in every possible way – even if the experience is negligibly interesting for the guy. At this point, I’ve been around; a virgin is just starting out. There’s no real cost to me for being decent but some time.
This is especially true if the girl was gamed. What was that line from Spiderman: “with great power comes great responsibility?” How about at least some responsibility?
There’s something harsh about doing this to a virgin. Especially a girl who likes you.
That’s one of the reasons I’m not much into virgins. I feel some responsibility for damage to their sexuality.
I think it’s the responsibility of halfway decent lovers to be exceptionally good to virgins. Especially if they let you bed them. I remember the first time I had sex; it was clumsy and awkward. And she was older. I’ve always wished that it had been better.
I’ve been with a virgin once since learning game. She was 28, a virgin, not unattractive, and wanted to have a man before grad school and getting married (Korean). It was staged, so a bit uncomfortable; the situation wasn’t a turn-on for me. We spent a weekend together, and I tried to make sure everything from atmosphere and act to conversation and company were great. It totally wasn’t about me. Guys should do this. Fumbling on the back seat of a car with some much younger girl just sounds really shitty.
But I have a strong preference for slutty girls who like sex. And training up a virgin for LTRs, well, I haven’t been in the habit recently (of training up or LTRs).
These girls are the girls we’ll (theoretically) be sleeping with later, dudes. Sow your seeds, but sow them like a farmer who knows what the hell he’s doing.
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@gorbachev
dude….the point is SHE WAS A SLUT, not a virgin. she was known for fucking around. She wasn’t a youngen or a good girl, but she was STILL a nervous fumbling wreck and bad at sex and quite creepy too. I got an attack of the conscious like you do with the virgins, except she was a slut. Not only virgins can be emotionally vulnerable, in fact a lot of them are actually emotionally much more stable than your average slut, so they never feel the need to validate themselves by riding random cocks.
Also this was sort of an extreme experience, most girls are good to go, virgin or slut. If you’re a big strong physically capable man the sex should be damn good, just pick her up and bounce her on the dick. Part of the reason sexual experience is overrated for women, is that if you are anything close to a decent lover, you should be making sure the sex is damn hot.
So i call bullshit on anyone who prefers sluts for any other reason than the ease of obtaining sex.
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polymath,
The thing is, I don’t even think I’m that unusual. None of my female friends would be attracted to a man who has a ton of casual experience compared to them, and I’m certainly not friends with only INTJs.
My point was that the type of women that men like to “game” and succeed at it are only a portion of the women out there (whether or not most women fall into this category is besides the point). They act like these dubbed “quality girls” (which I think are just girls with self-respect because they know better than to get “gamed” into a one-night stand) are a myth that don’t exist because “all girls [I’ve gamed] are sluts” yadda yadda. At the risk of sounding preachy, I warn that the more men get into this PUA stuff and into the habit of viewing women as naive children to be manipulated and racked up as hatches on a bedpost, the less likely a “quality girl” will even know that they exist.
They are literally fucking themselves away from their ideal partners.
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Sniper,
I understand.
Keep in mind, though, that “game” is not synonymous with “PUA tricks”. It is a much broader subject that can help any man relate to all women, and is useful in getting and maintaining LTRs and not just in accumulating “notches”. It is a neutral tool (best summarized as improving one’s understanding of what women want) that can be used for good or ill.
As such, it applies with all women, even the ones who can’t be “gamed” into one-night stands, as long as they can be considered prospects for any kind of relationship up to and including marriage.
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“The thing is, I don’t even think I’m that unusual. None of my female friends would be attracted to a man who has a ton of casual experience compared to them, and I’m certainly not friends with only INTJs.”
Uhh…there is this little thing called lying.
I don’t know if you have heard of it?
No experienced player would ever spill the beans about how many girls he has gamed to a target.
“At the risk of sounding preachy, I warn that the more men get into this PUA stuff and into the habit of viewing women as naive children to be manipulated and racked up as hatches on a bedpost, the less likely a “quality girl” will even know that they exist.”
What is a quality girl?
In my mind there are only two types of girls: the pretty ones (that I want to bone) and the ugly/fat ones (that I don’t want to bone).
“They are literally fucking themselves away from their ideal partners.”
Uhh…no. They are not fucking themselves ;0)
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None of my female friends would be attracted to a man who has a ton of casual experience compared to them, and I’m certainly not friends with only INTJs.
Never underestimate the ability of the female mind to overrate a man’s capacity for reform & the potential ego-boost involved if it’s sold to her in the right way. Although some of women may never be attracted to these guys (lucky you), I guarantee that some of your friends will definitely be tempted at one stage or another (often the attraction only kicks in times of vunerability e.g. when an existing relationship is unsatisfactory, or as you get older) and it’s easier to resist temptation if you recognise it can exist.
I do agree that smart girls if attracted will try to resist temptation, knowing that this kind of guy is unlikely to provide them with a happy ending, and more of them succeed in resisting temptation than one would think.
So yes, lots of experience in a man probably does make it more difficult for him to get what you call quality girls, certainly he would have to pass a lot of tests to get them to trust him.
Most guys with a lot of experience are not going to hang around for this process, so they often end up either staying single or in a LTR with a reformed slut instead, in denial about her past sluttiness. This may well be a happy ending for them, who knows? A lot of guys who talk about wanting LTRs are not really happy when in an LTR in any case.
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And I agree with Polymath in relation to Game. It is a relationship tool like make-up for women. I would regard it as neutral, it can be used for good or bad. Some guys have a Game code of ethics, others don’t.
I would feel more concerned about Game if it were kept secret from women, but it’s out there, readily discoverable. In a way it’s better that it’s out there, because otherwise a lot of us (not all) would end up making fools of ourselves with natural alphas without knowing why, it is better to be in possession of full information to assist in making a decision.
Polymath, I think there is probably a small category of women on whom Game doesn’t work at all (I am certainly not claiming to fall into this category), then there is a further category of women who do find themselves responding to Game, but usually have the capacity not to act on their instincts (I really think this is easier if one knows about Game) and then there are the rest. I think the second category is larger than people think, it probably does not spend as much time drunk in bars for a start.
Also, alcohol can definitely move a woman from the second category into the third category in an instant. Although Game works on sober women too, working from observation I would suspect that a drunk woman is much easier to close on the first date, the close usually takes longer in Day Game. In the past, women did not drink as much, sluttiness & alcohol consumption are closely linked.
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@Sniper
The thing is, I don’t even think I’m that unusual. None of my female friends would be attracted to a man who has a ton of casual experience compared to them, and I’m certainly not friends with only INTJs.
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My point was that the type of women that men like to “game” and succeed at it are only a portion of the women out there
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They are literally fucking themselves away from their ideal partners.
Woman, so wrong. Few women I bed know how much experience I have. (ONS excepted: they assume you’re fucking everything all the time, but anyway for non-professional PUAs ONSs aren’t as frequent any man advertises). I don’t talk about it with women, or mention it.
I definitely don’t look or act like a stereotypical PUA. At all.
The best way to game a woman is to do it without looking like a PUA. Don’t be a pickup artist for her. Be a normal guy. With game. Kaching.
Normal guys with game have a lot more experience than you ever think they do. And they won’t talk about it. Why should they?
And Betas will cheat at the drop of a hat, because sexual flattery goes straight to their brains. Test your Beta man and see what happens. He may be remorseful, but he does it.
If I were amenable to it now, and if I met someone that I decided was settle-down-able, I’d use normal game and be a normal guy and that’s exactly the sort of girl I’d get. I just haven’t found one, or the going’s to sweet right now, especially as I’ve already been married and the temptation to settle into another marriage-like situaiton is, like, zero.
A long or even permanent LTR isn’t out of the question. We all want someone around. You think we don’t want to meet women like that? You think all the men you find are pure, unspoiled simpletons with simple desires?
How well do you know men?
Unless a woman is asexual, game works on all women. *All* women. Maybe not for one-night-stands, but it always works if played properly.
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@dana
a slut CAN bond to a male–this is false. most sluts have tossed their pussies around like a volleyball but have never surrendered their hearts and souls to a dominant male.
in fact, it is likely she acted a slut to protect herself from doing this.
no matter how many cocks a woman has sat on the man that utterly dominates her and makes her into a silly little girl again will own her lock, stock and barrel for as long as he maintains that frame.
Look, even a slutty girl that likes riding cock will be decent most of the time if you’re not a douche and game her properly and fuck her like a man and think about her sometimes.
Gaming a girl with jerkiness is not the same thing as being a jerk.
What *I* don’t like are girls who rag on Betas and other women. Okay, so it comes from bitterness. But whorish hypocrisy, material whoriness and callous bitchiness are not exactly attractive trains in anyone.
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gorb,
i see no relationship between what you just typed and my post, which dealt exclusively with notion that “sluts” can’t bond because their oxytocin receptors are burned out from overbanging–a common meme around here
i didn’t say a word about sluts being decent, men acting like jerks nor did i slag betas or other women
am i missing something?
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@dana
gorb,
i see no relationship between what you just typed and my post, which dealt exclusively with notion that “sluts” can’t bond because their oxytocin receptors are burned out from overbanging–a common meme around here
i didn’t say a word about sluts being decent, men acting like jerks nor did i slag betas or other women
am i missing something?
My bad. Wrong response. My staycation is getting to me.
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Mikhail Gorbachev,
Oh come on. You don’t have to talk about it, just like women often don’t and even lie about their experience. However, there are “ways” to figure out a man’s sexual past/inclinations, just like the ones used on women described in this blog.
Good thing I’m dating an herb, so I’ll have to re-label my bf in according with the vocabulary used here.
Case in point: they’re not going to be settle-down-able until after you’ve judged and experienced them in the bedroom. If they won’t sleep with you within a certain time limit (most “quality girls” won’t jump in the sack with you until after they really get to know you, ie, outside of a bar), then they’re going to be off your radar because sex has become the goal and expectation of all “relationships”. Thus, your pool for settle-down-able women is practically zero, unsurprisingly.
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@sdaedalus
And I did emphasise earlier that sexual power does not necessarily correspond imo with being a slut, there are women with a lot of sexual experience whose sexual attraction rating is much lower than their beauty rating and there are women with little or no sexual experience who have high sexual attraction ratings relative to their beauty rating. I think a lot of it is linked to confidence, but the trick is how to walk the fine line between being sexually attractive without necessarily being perceived as slutty.
I’ll buy that.
And I’ll also say this: I disagree with Roissy et al. about any hot girl being just as good for sex as a less hot girl with more experience.
I’ve been with really hot girls who were snores in the bedroom, and lacked fun things like endurance or the ability to stay awake after a first orgasm or the ability to laugh at themselves. And less attractive women who were so much fun in bed you just don’t want to get up to even eat.
Of course, there was a minimum level of attractiveness. I’m male.
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I disagree with Roissy et al. about any hot girl being just as good for sex as a less hot girl with more experience. I’ve been with really hot girls who were snores in the bedroom, and lacked fun things like endurance or the ability to stay awake after a first orgasm or the ability to laugh at themselves. And less attractive women who were so much fun in bed you just don’t want to get up to even eat.
I don’t think Roissy was actually saying that in this post (he may have said it in previous posts, to my shame, I have been too lazy to study the entire Roissy oeuvre in detail, I will get round to it eventually)
I thought that what he was saying that a girl without much experience can get good at sex quicker than one would expect.
What you are saying above is that aesthetic appeal does not necessarily translate to being good in bed.
I agree with both statements, I don’t see them as necessarily incompatible in any way.
Re minimum level of attractiveness, I’m sure Cigtashe will be very disappointed, you may have got her hopes up with the first part of your comment.
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@Sniper
Mikhail Gorbachev,
I don’t talk about it with women, or mention it.
Oh come on. You don’t have to talk about it, just like women often don’t and even lie about their experience. However, there are “ways” to figure out a man’s sexual past/inclinations, just like the ones used on women described in this blog.
Um, … Okay. No woman I’ve been in a STR / LTR with has ever complained about my experience. Never has the LTR ended because she thought I had too much. Not once. Quite the opposite. Lots of other reasons, mind you. But not that one.
And Betas will cheat at the drop of a hat, because sexual flattery goes straight to their brains.
Good thing I’m dating an herb, so I’ll have to re-label my bf in according with the vocabulary used here.
Herbs won’t cheat because they don’t care. That’s the definition of a herb. They don’t see women. Until the woman pins him down and starts making out. Good for you: Your guy won’t cheat because women are invisible to him. Quite the score.
But test it sometimes. Really. Give him a situation: Girl hotter than you makes a serious pass at him, and you’re not around anywhere. See what he does.
I could resist if I felt I should. No problem. Been there many times. If I didn’t resist, I could never fall back on an easy excuse (I couldn’t help myself); that would obviously be a lie, and I’d never try to wriggle out of that situation. Could he resist? Would he? Maybe. Maybe not.
I find that betas in any form are the worst and most despicable this way. Worse, their guilt is usually entirely self-serving.
and if I met someone that I decided was settle-down-able
Case in point: they’re not going to be settle-down-able until after you’ve judged and experienced them in the bedroom. If they won’t sleep with you within a certain time limit (most “quality girls” won’t jump in the sack with you until after they really get to know you, ie, outside of a bar), then they’re going to be off your radar because sex has become the goal and expectation of all “relationships”. Thus, your pool for settle-down-able women is practically zero, unsurprisingly.
A surprise: I don’t have that many ONS. They may start out that way, but they usually turn into STR of some type or another, often into a FWB.
And I don’t usually troll bars. I don’t chase 18-24 year-olds as a rule. Lots of guys don’t. Maybe I’m missing out. There are so many places to meet women, bars seem like loser hangouts.
And I spend huge amounts of time getting to know women. I tell you: to meet guys like me, you’d never know. Those guys you think you know so well, normal guys, totally not PUAs, the moment they get some game, all bets are off.
Game is guerilla warfare.
You’d be gamed so fast by anyone with skills and *patience*, you’d be married for 20 years with three kids before you knew the guy had done it.
It’s like being a slutty girl: Bring substance and character, and suddenly you’re a pretty awesome slutty girl. A guy with game and some substance, man, …
A lot of guys out there you think have little experience. Spend their nights at home. Alone. Guess again.
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@the realist
Dude.
Also this was sort of an extreme experience, most girls are good to go, virgin or slut. If you’re a big strong physically capable man the sex should be damn good, just pick her up and bounce her on the dick. Part of the reason sexual experience is overrated for women, is that if you are anything close to a decent lover, you should be making sure the sex is damn hot.
I’ve talked to a few women, right. This is what I hear: Most men don’t know shit about sex. Yeah, sure: just pick her up and bounce her on your dick. Sex is about a lot more than dicks and bouncing women, dude.
The trick isn’t getting a girl into bed once. It’s getting her into bed and then having her come back, on your terms. Even when she’s, say, got, oh, I don’t know, another man around.
Oddly enough: not all sex is actually about sex.
So i call bullshit on anyone who prefers sluts for any other reason than the ease of obtaining sex.
Non-slutty girls are no harder to get into bed than slutty ones. It’s what game is for. You just need patience, and don’t be a douche. Nothing more.
So it is about the sex, stupid.
Your loss. More for me.
Oh, and with all due respect, fuck you.
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@ dana
Nice strawman. No one is saying that a slut cannot bond to a male. Of course they can. Otherwise pimps would be far fewer in number.
The argument is that a slut is less likely to bond than a far less experienced female (by experience, I’m referring to both # of cocks and heartbreaks).
Yes, if you maintain a dominant frame, even a slut can be devoted to you. It’s one thing to do this when you’re single and dating. It’s another thing entirely in the context of Marriage 2.0 when she knows that the state has her back and all her friends are telling her to not put up with you, etc.
So for the guy who is looking for marriage and children (the only good reason to get married, IMHO), improving his odds by preferring relatively chaste girls to sluts is a sensible preference.
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yes i agree with your point about sluts and marriage 2.0 without cavil.
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once i went on a date with a girl and we ended up back at her place, and she didn’t know how to be on top. she knew nothing besides missionary. very strange.
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Didn’t you just say you never mentioned your experience? How do you know what your partner knew/felt about it?
I don’t think my bf (and herbs in general) doesn’t see women, he just doesn’t think about them on a higher conscious level. This may be a shocker, but there are other things in life to think about that don’t involve screwing anything with a pulse. There may be primitive instincts of a little attraction, but at the end, we both feel the other person is a better catch and don’t want to be with anyone else.
I guess I never felt like I needed to “test” him? That would be very disrespectful when I have no reason to feel insecure. I know people here will scoff and roll their eyes at the cliche, but I trust him. And that’s pretty cool to be able to say about a relationship. I wonder how many men here really trust their current flings or wives even.
And why so much elaboration on my bf and what he would do if this or that. People complain that women like to shit-test? Are you just defensive of the fact that desirable men exist who don’t act and think like shallow horny gorillas? You should be, because all the “quality girls” are flocking to these “herbs.”
Rofl, these threats are hilarious and only slightly creepy. Especially seeing as how I’m childfree (look it up) and anti-marriage. If a guy loved me, he would respect these things about me, and that is the only way I would be with him. Therefore, I am impossible to game. You can’t game an IQ of 132. Sorry kids.
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Irrespective of core beauty (facial features, height, weight adjusted to remove impact of working out), girls in simple clothing have had fewer sex partners than very fashionable girls.
If you want a virgin, look for a girl in plain clothes.
My theory is girls date an alpha, can’t get him to commit, then vow to do better the next time. This “trying harder” manifests itself in more makeup, working out harder, and buying better clothing and accessories.
With respect to experience (sluttiness), Roissy noted girls with more sex partners are more discriminating than girls with less experience. Stated differently, they know quicker if you are not what they are looking for, and they’ll put you down harder and faster. Conversely, they’ll know with greater confidence if you are what they are looking for and will pursue you more aggressively.
I think its like recruiting players for a sport. If you’ve never seen a rugby match, you can’t recruit players since you wouldn’t recognize an all star if you saw one. However, we all know what a good basketball player looks like.
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Sniper,
Game is relative. A guy with an IQ 30 points higher than yours, and lots else going for him, will be out-maneuvering you in a way that qualifies as “game”, remembering that “game” here means understanding what a woman wants and giving it to her, and does not necessarily entail any insincerity or dishonesty, and ends up with the result that you and he are BOTH happier and more satisfied with the relationship.
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Sniper
Game skips the brain proper and goes straight to the hindbrain. There’s no automatic IQ filter. Some of the most intelligent women I know have been incredibly susceptible to Game and Game-related techniques, just like some of the most intelligent men I know have been the greatest fools about women.
I agree that a high IQ, like common sense, and a conservative upbringing may sometimes (but not always) help in resisting Game, but it certainly doesn’t stop the attraction.
If Game doesn’t work on you, I suspect this is for reasons unrelated to your IQ. It may be that it does work on you but you don’t want to admit it, and since you are very good at controlling your impulses in this regard you have never been forced to admit it or it may be that it genuinely doesn’t work on you at all.
But I don’t think that IQ is protection against Game, particularly Game as applied by a smart man with experience of smart women.
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LOVE THIS POST. Haven’t read the comments (apologies)… got too excited and happy!
This post makes me feel OK (again) to have made the very difficult choices I’ve made in life (to only s*x the love of my life, which in my case would be the man I marry since I follow religion).
But… I will attest that it feels like most men don’t like “inexperienced girls”. I’d say about 60% of the feedback I get from men and 90% of the feedback from women is that chastity is archaic. Well I’m not doing this for other people, so I just hide the truth from those 60% Ms and 90% Fs (by being ziplipped, not by pretending like I’ve done stuff).
So… it’s always surprising, even today as I’m getting ready to marry a Guy who accepted me, that there are men that respect fairly chaste and inexperienced girls.
Too many haters. Oh well, by God’s grace things have worked out fine 🙂 Tough road though! (Not being a big drinker and having a lot of luck in terms of good parental and peer influences… and getting out of bad “almost” situations… helped too.)
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“Therefore, I am impossible to game. You can’t game an IQ of 132. Sorry kids.”
Did she just mention her IQ?
I bet “sniper” is one of those annoying people who brag about their MENSA membership to everyone.
Here is the real reason she can’t be gamed: No man who speaks to her for more than two minutes would want to game this cunty bitch.
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Jay,
Check out her website. Though I disagree with her about her gameability, she generally seems sweet rather than c***y or b****y.
Sniper’s personality type is cerebral and doesn’t involve much conflict between logic and emotion (mine is similar), so her statements make sense for her, but they’re still too categorical. Emotional intelligence is different from IQ (and “games” have more than one player and are sometimes win-win).
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Another “game wouldn’t work on me” hater. Well, let’s go through the points. Again:
1. Game actually works best on smart girls. On dumb girls you just go caveman.
2. If executed well, the girls should have no idea that game has been run on her. Smoothness is the essence of game. By definition, the seams shouldn’t show.
3. Barring minor adjustments (like not telling DHV stories about strippers to girls in church), game works on all types of women from bar sluts to church girls. Women’s attraction triggers, like men’s, are pretty much universal.
4. Being able to create attraction in a girl doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll sleep with you.
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Sniper–
I’ve done lots of gaming of hot girls with around that IQ and higher (judging by their SAT scores and converting) from high school on — though I didn’t think of it as game then
Most of it’s been with girls above a 120 at least.
Not canned routines. Just the psychology that game uses, which can be discovered by observing the guys who were most successful and quite quick seduction, and figuring out their commonalities.
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@Gorbachev
If your game is that tight Gorby then you should be banging slim petite in-shape reasonably athletic hotties. I don’t see how sex can be bad with these women, slut or virgin, and if you are a decent lover you should be manipulating their bodies such that the sex is hot hot hot. It’s simple to understand really. Remember you are a man you are a visual creature when it comes to sex, you sure you are a man?!?! Don’t front that your game is so tight that you can sit there and judge hot women based on the sweet nothings or dirty talk she whispers in your ears, “this 10 isn’t slutty enough, get her out of here”!!!
I’m happy if these babes bounce on the dick and like it, tis all i ask of them, call me low maintenance. But you can grab your snorkel and fins and get down and dirty whispering sweet nothings into her pussy and call it good game if you like!! I’ll leave that shit to you.
You yourself admitted you want them coming back for more so you seem to admit that your sexual peformance is more important than hers from the outset.
The definition of a non-slutty girl is one who is harder to get into bed, so im not sure what your point is there.
Should i take your failed marriage as a sign of your obvious virility with regard to sex and game? or perhaps your numerous, drivvelishly long and detailed posts? Practice some of this shit in the real world bro, caveman game works for me and it doesn’t take much explaining.
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“I bet “sniper” is one of those annoying people who brag about their MENSA membership to everyone.”
Shes not intelligent enough to be in mensa.
I’m not sure what college sniper went to or if she went at all, but i went to one of the best in my land, everyone there and all the people i work with now are at least that smart, and yes they get gamed and pumped and dumped as much as anyone else.
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@Sniper
Your arrogance at thinking you’re somehow immune to game gives you away. To any man who knows game, and who has used it a lot, it means: You will be the easiest possible target. Or you’re asexual. Either one or the other.
A man with game who’s also bright will tool you so fast you won’t be able to blink.
In this, your intelligence, arrogance, self-assurance and confidence are your enemies. They’re great mainline defences, but game is guerilla warfare. It never comes in the front door.
The more full of yourself you are, the harder you fall for game. It’s one-to-one.
Remember: a man has to WANT to game you. If he hasn’t, then maybe no man has wanted to.
Given your attitude, I’m guessing this is the case.
No woman I’ve been in a STR / LTR with has ever complained about my experience. Never has the LTR ended because she thought I had too much. Not once.
Didn’t you just say you never mentioned your experience? How do you know what your partner knew/felt about it?
UM, … She never mentioned it; and women in LTRs mention, fuck, well they mention everything. The way you sit. How you organize your books. Everything that bothers them. All the time.
Never after sleeping with a woman has she said – ooh, wait, wait a minute, … where did you learn that, I think you get around. Usually they’re too busy to think much. It’s not something you get complaints about. Usually you get called back.
They don’t say: Wow, you’re awfully good at X or Y, I don’t like it any more. Have you actually slept with men?
Girl hotter than you makes a serious pass at him, and you’re not around anywhere. See what he does.
I don’t think my bf (and herbs in general) doesn’t see women, he just doesn’t think about them on a higher conscious level. This may be a shocker, but there are other things in life to think about that don’t involve screwing anything with a pulse.
Ma’am, I must tell you, I and the game-conscious people I know definitely do not screw anything with a pulse. I’m a pretty picky guy. You’ve got it all wrong.
And you seem to think all we do is chase women. Okay, I can’t speak for others, but I do several sports, travel, read 3-4 non-fiction books a month, socialize, keep up with blogs and even squeeze time in for, oh, friends, family, art and gym. Oh, and I have a job. But, of course, I have no kids.
And I’m just a typical guy. Sounds pretty lame, doesn’t it? Yeah. We’re chumps.
How about a female friend, a talented manager at a major pharma, brilliant at gaming hot guys (and *extremely* good and fun in bed), managing her relationships and out there every day working, playing, reading, and enjoying herself? Of course no kids. She must be lame.
Another friend, male, older than me (42), has a 26 year-old GF devoted to him, they travel everywhere and he’s got great game; they’re insanely happy. He does so much he barely sits still. His GF is both attractive and really interesting. They’re going to have kids. Not going to get married. He must be lame, too.
Game is a tool. We use it for what we want to do.
PS. Did I say fuck you yet?
There may be primitive instincts of a little attraction, but at the end, we both feel the other person is a better catch and don’t want to be with anyone else.
Good for you. Live in your very neat and tidy and – hermetically sealed – little world. It IS hermetically sealed, right? You’re not members of the same society or species as us, right?
I guess I never felt like I needed to “test” him? That would be very disrespectful when I have no reason to feel insecure. I know people here will scoff and roll their eyes at the cliche, but I trust him. And that’s pretty cool to be able to say about a relationship. I wonder how many men here really trust their current flings or wives even.
I did – implicitly. A lot of my friends did, too. Tooled, every one.
I’ve been with a good number of BF-ed / married women. THEIR husbands trusted them, too. OH, and you’d never, ever guess what their wives did by 1) looking at them, 2) talking to them, 3) looking at their friends, or 4) talking to their husbands. Religious/meek and shy/brazen and loudly loyal/lawyers (nuff said). That doesn’t even touch Asians or Europeans.
Complaints: Direct to the Human Nature Department.
You’re as ignorant as they come. One day, you will open your eyes.
Or you could just be ugly, and no man has ever bothered.
And why so much elaboration on my bf and what he would do if this or that. People complain that women like to shit-test? Are you just defensive of the fact that desirable men exist who don’t act and think like shallow horny gorillas? You should be, because all the “quality girls” are flocking to these “herbs.”
I’m hardly a horny gorilla. Might have been a time there, … few years ago, … kinda fuzzy.
I know some horny gorillas. They’d still be able to catch you if they really wanted to.
Most of the guys that learn about game just want a wife, lady. (much to their loss these days, I might add).
You’d be gamed so fast by anyone with skills and *patience*, you’d be married for 20 years with three kids before you knew the guy had done it.
Rofl, these threats are hilarious and only slightly creepy. Especially seeing as how I’m childfree (look it up) and anti-marriage. If a guy loved me, he would respect these things about me, and that is the only way I would be with him. Therefore, I am impossible to game. You can’t game an IQ of 132. Sorry kids.
Dear Lord, who would WANT to game you? Unless your ass is as good as JLo’s in the day, you sound like a serious cunt. Of course, then you’d just be a cunt with a fine ass.
I hang out with oodles of super smart people – I don’t even want to guess what their IQs are. Anyone who actually talks about it – brags about it as a defence for game – is garbage.
An IQ of 132 tells me nothing. Telling me your IQ and claiming it guards you against game tells me so much I don’t even know where to start.
(lifts handkerchief to nose)
Ahh-choo cunt.
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@the realist
If your game is that tight Gorby then you should be banging slim petite in-shape reasonably athletic hotties.
It’s good but not always that tight. I like women too much for it to be tight all the time. I’ve been known to slip on banana peels in the past. Pretty hilarious in retrospect. Reformed Beta. You never quite lose it.
I don’t see how sex can be bad with these women, slut or virgin, and if you are a decent lover you should be manipulating their bodies such that the sex is hot hot hot.
I had some dull experiences with women with no experience. It was nice, just, … boring. It’s not all about the orgasm. I like actual women.
It’s simple to understand really. Remember you are a man you are a visual creature when it comes to sex, you sure you are a man?!?! Don’t front that your game is so tight that you can sit there and judge hot women based on the sweet nothings or dirty talk she whispers in your ears, “this 10 isn’t slutty enough, get her out of here”!!!
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I won’t throw anything out of my bed over 7, dude. What I mean is:
Choice between 7 (slutty and good in bed) and 7 (chaste and good girl), … I mean, it’s simple for me.
Experienced wins all the time.
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I’m happy if these babes bounce on the dick and like it, tis all i ask of them, call me low maintenance. But you can grab your snorkel and fins and get down and dirty whispering sweet nothings into her pussy and call it good game if you like!! I’ll leave that shit to you.
No prob. Much obliged.
All good then.
You yourself admitted you want them coming back for more so you seem to admit that your sexual peformance is more important than hers from the outset.
The definition of a non-slutty girl is one who is harder to get into bed, so im not sure what your point is there.
Um, … well, once she’s a happy camper and is all glowy and starlit and whatnot, … why not me? We men can are multifaceted and complex beings, too. Right?
Should i take your failed marriage as a sign of your obvious virility with regard to sex and game?
No, as a sign that Beta men are idiots and need to learn game. Duh.
or perhaps your numerous, drivvelishly long and detailed posts? Practice some of this shit in the real world bro, caveman game works for me and it doesn’t take much explaining.
What can I say, I type fast. And can afford the time.
All good by me.
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I think sex simply must not be that important to a lot of guys. To others, it’s extremely important. The most important thing. We are more than sexual athletes, more than sexual gourmands, we are sexual entrepreneurs. We’ve built up grand edifices and machinery on solid physical and emotional foundations, and we use it industriously. Daily. Twice and three times daily. Up to four hours a day plus extra time on the weekends, when in the peak of fitness with a peak of fitness girl.
For me the sexual chemistry is the number one important criteria. Ten times as important as anything else. Because it is everything else. Everything is sex. Her looks is sex. Conversation is sex. The food she gives me is sex. And then when we fuck, that’s taking the machinery of life and plugging it in to the mains. It’s everything good amped up.
Some girls suck in bed – and I’d spend ten low amp virgins on one great slut, any day.
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“Childfree” = “No one would ever want to impregnate me, and I’m too bitter and selfish to adopt.”
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I have to agree with Gorbachev on Snipers IQ, the “i’m different” arrogance is breathtaking.
Someone who boasts about their IQ, especially when it’s only 132 probably has nothing else to boast about. I’m guessing here but i doubt Sniper is a very successful person, i will never boast about my IQ because i know for a fact most of the people i currently work with are way smarter than me and i have to work damn hard to keep up, you don’t feel too smart when you are dealing with and competing against people with equal and superior talent on a daily basis.
I’m sure even Einstein didn’t feel THAT clever when he was working with and debating the likes of Bohr, Planck and Schrodinger, all of whom would have had similar or higher IQs.
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internet IQ tests don’t count sniper
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Because IQ is measured on a numerical scale, people have the weird idea that it’s some sort of quantifiable quality — like someone with a 120 IQ is 50% smarter than someone with an 80. That’s simply not true.
The sad fact is that all human intelligence is a pretty tight grouping around the norm. Our brains work about as well as possible, so there aren’t many people who are a whole lot smarter than the rest — and usually they make up for it by being pig-stupid about some subjects.
This is why our governments fuck up so often. They’re run by people no different from the rest of us, who have channelled their intelligence into winning elections rather than knowing how to run things.
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@xsplat
that’s taking the machinery of life and plugging it in to the mains. It’s everything good amped up.
Yeah, this is the case. It makes interacting with a woman with a good attitude, a good brain and a good sex drive emotionally and personally fulfilling. It can relentlessly draw two people together. Barriers break down. You can laugh at yourself.
Who needs drugs.
Some girls suck in bed – and I’d spend ten low amp virgins on one great slut, any day.
I have to go with xsplat on this one. But the slut should have something else.
Dumping your juice into some girl and saying thanks ma’am (or slapping her in the face, hah) seems like choosing macaroni and cheese instead of a 7-course gourmet meal.
But that’s just me. It’s a big planet.
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That doesn’t sound like game. I don’t want my partner to treat me like he’s an asshole, neg me, or flirt with people in front of me. That wouldn’t make me happy or feel satisfied within a relationship, and I doubt they are universal (inb4 “omg u r so weird!”).
SAT != IQ. One measures academic ability in math and reading, the other measures logic.
IQ != talent, either.
College is not an indicator of intelligence.
I could easily boast about a million other things, (including my programming projects and internships at great CS places), but I didn’t want to make men here feel too inadequate. It’s unsexy, after all.
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