After three years doing this blog a wearisome predictability in types of hate becomes apparent. The unoriginal uniformity of the hate is its most intriguing feature, as it makes one wonder whether humans come preinstalled with mindware that executes in scripted patterns when certain sensitive buttons are pushed, or if the haters all gather in a secret Hatesonic Temple under the Capitol building to agree upon an approved suite of category hateration.
In the interest of advancing a sociological experiment for the benefit of my amusement alone, I’ve made a compendium of the typical incantations of hate directed at game and at those of us, like yer ‘umble narrator, who preach the Good Word of Game. Below each hate archetype I’ve helpfully included my mischievously glib responses to illustrate the empty-headedness of the hate.
1. “Bitter Beta” Hate
Hater: You are a bitter misogynist.
Translation: Your words make me weep from every pore.
2. Expectation Bias Hate
Hater: No one who writes the horrible things you do could possibly do well with women.
Back in Genghis Khan’s day, haters were known to remark “no one who crushes as many enemies as you do could possibly do well with women.”
3. Moving the Alpha Goalposts Hate
Hater: A real alpha male would be married and raising children as his legacy.
Alphaness required to marry the typical girl and knock her up: minimal.
Alphaness required to avoid the raw deal of marriage and the fun-hindering ballast of children while enjoying the love of many women in long term relationships: sniff my jock strap!
4. StrawHate
Hater: You argue a false alpha/beta dichotomy.
What part of dregs –> lesser omega –> greater omega –> lesser beta –> beta –> greater beta –> lesser alpha –> alpha –> super alpha don’t you understand? (Please note the date stamp of that post.)
5. Etymology Hate
Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.
Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.
6. Unironic Internet Smear Hate
Hater: Alphas don’t blog. They’re too busy meeting women.
Because, you know, alphas don’t have hobbies. *alpha eye roll*
ps feel free to log off the internet any time.
7. The Political is Personal Hate
Hater: A true alpha lives the life, and does not neurotically obsess about his status on an internet blog.
Other than in a facetious fashion, I don’t think I’ve ever written about my own status, neurotically or otherwise, on this blog. Instead, I simply speak the truth about the world as it is, and give advice about attracting women that has worked for me and many other men. People who are offended by that decide I must be revealing my inner neuroses and obsessions, for any other explanation would surely pucker their sphincters. These people are best suited for careers as buttplug testers.
8. False Premises Hate
Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.
A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not my moral crisis.
9. Lifestyle Critique Hate
Hater: You live an empty existence if all you do is have one night stands with sluts.
Some people imagine that because I write about seducing women that must mean I strictly counsel avoiding long term loving relationships in favor of purely physical short term flings. These people are wrong. But they knew that. Of course, that doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with the occasional no muss no fuss empty sexual encounter.
10. Gay Love For John Wayne Hate
Hater: If you’re not a leader of men, you’re not an alpha.
I’m sure every male celebrity and emo punk singer drowning in pussy is crying bitter tears that he does not have the alpha imprimatur of Real Men of Stoicism bootlickers like yourself.
11. Rape Hate
Hater: Rape! Rapety-rape!
When all you have is a desiccated, dusty muff, the whole world looks like an unwelcome phallus.
12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate
Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.
13. Fallacy of the Natural Hate
Hater: Naturals get women because they aren’t trying to get them.
After many years of practice, I’m sure it looked like Beethoven wasn’t trying when he played piano.
Or: A natural is simply a man whose game is internalized, but the tactics remain the same.
14. Just Be Yourself Hate
Hater: Game is fake.
Game is no less fake than any other self-improvement pursuit to which a man might set himself in order to move upward from his natural inertial state.
15. Victimology Hate
Hater: You’re using game to manipulate women and control their minds.
In other news, losing 20 pounds was discovered to grant formerly chubby girls strange hypnotic powers over the minds of men. Feeling manipulated, men took to the streets en masse to demand relief from their attraction to these newly slender girls.
16. Dancing Monkey Hate
Hater: Men who run game are just doing the bidding of women. Alphas don’t entertain women.
If you want success with women, you are going to have to entertain them… one way or the other. The same is true of women. Once a woman stops entertaining men with her body, her femininity, and her commitment worthiness by getting fat, old, ugly, bitchy, or single mom-y, she stops having success with men. We are all doing the bidding of our biomechanical overlord, and on our knees to his will we surrender, by force or by choice. You fool yourself if you believe you have some plenary indulgence from this stark reality.
Or: If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.
17. Voyeur Hate
Hater: You’re lying about the women you’ve had. Where are the photos?
I remember having a conversation with a buddy about this, where I mused aloud about what delicious fun it would be if I went nuclear and posted on this blog erotic jpegs of the women I’ve been with (hi blogger chicks!) over the past three years, (excepting those lovely ladies whose privacy I value more than the others), just to enjoy the exquisite paroxysms of cognitive dissonance that would rattle the souls of the haters who have spent so much mental energy comforting themselves with caricatures of me. He said not to bother. He explained that I could have pics of me facialing a slew of cuties and the haters would still find some excuse for not believing their own eyes. In other words, haters gon’ hate. Let them stew.
You’re doing better than Roosh. He only has 11 types of haters.
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Hater: alphas don’t go lzozlzllzzozlzllzllzlz
GBFM: lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlz!
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For the Voyeur haters, point number two would be what you’ve already witnessed, “oh, that girl has pointy knees, she’s way below my standards, Roissy sucks. blah blah blah.” No girl you’d post would be hot enough for haters.
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Alternative titles for this post:
— 17 Ways of Explaining the Sky is Blue
— Are Hatedroids Made of Ben Bernanke?
— How to Deal Patiently & Compassionately with Those Affected with Mild Learning Disabilities
— Why I Get Laid and You Don’t
— Why I Love Being A Misogynist
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Now that you’ve labeled them, perhaps they can be tagged like migrating ducks on entry into the bloggosphere.
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Actually GBFM, only asses go lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlz regardless of their alpha status.
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Definitely going to employ that one.
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What I like best about GBFM is that he doesn’t copy and paste his lozlzzolz the lazy way. Each string of “L”, “O” and “Z” is unique and banged out the old fashioned manual way like a straight player. That doesn’t just happen by not caring.
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“Now that you’ve labeled them, perhaps they can be tagged like migrating ducks on entry into the bloggosphere.”
Who wants to waste their time doing that?
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I probably fall into 4 and 16 on occasion. I think your defense of yourself against 16 is fair and right. 4 still holds some water in many specific situations, though maybe not the aggregate.
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@Roissy
How much gay male attention do you get? I feel like you easily swoop or would.
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yah i am totally owning all teh lzozllzlzlzs on teh internet & hope 2 soon create a profitable business off this
check it out:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=lzozlzlzll
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=lzozlzlzl
when i am driving around in da lamborguinini with a girl eating my long linguninii we’ll see who y’alls callin alphas lzzlzlzlzlzl
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False premises haters include almost every women who hears of game for the first time, “oh it only works on skanks, it’ll never work on me.” Just a pretty lie because girls recoil against the idea of a preconceive method of building attraction. It’s not so much false premises but self esteem defense, everyone wants to be a precious snowflake.
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“yah i am totally owning all teh lzozllzlzlzs on teh internet & hope 2 soon create a profitable business off this”
Yes. Soon you’ll be lolzozllzozlzozing all the way to the bank!
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you be lolzolzolzoin that good life
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“Alphaness required to avoid the raw deal of marriage and the fun-hindering ballast of children while enjoying the love of many women in long term relationships: sniff my jock strap!”
What about the alphaness required to father lots of children while avoiding marriage and financial hardship, and while also enjoying the love of many women in LTRs?
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Haters help fuel those of us who are working hard. As if getting loads of pussy would need more motivation. But it doesn’t hurt so smile inside, knowing that haters can’t do it like you can. Plus, they help add fodder for more blog posts.
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“What about the alphaness required to father lots of children while avoiding marriage and financial hardship, and while also enjoying the love of many women in LTRs?”
That just fills the world with more turdballs to avoid. A very real ‘risk’ today is that you may live to 100 plus. Thats a long time to be avoiding your own poop.
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One way to fight the haters. Fight fire with fire … see F4J video above. Men are angry now.
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Hey at least your haters don’t psychoanalyze you. I have both mommy and daddy issues.
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http://www.match.com/profile/showProfile.aspx?uid=jVkZIq+LQt6W+iNM/Hs58Q==&handle=ChristinaESQ_NYC&tp=S&pn=1&rn=4&do=2&lid=18
??
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silver fox, I hope that war pig finds true love, or rather the spam engine she’s front for gets some good credit card numbers.
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He may be the gold standard of douchiness, but no one said it better than Tucker Max.
‘No one hates on the anonymous and unimportant.’
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Or it could be a sequel to that romcom:
’17 Things I Hate About You’
How is Lady Pain in bed, O citizen renegade/chateau/roissy/prince of darkness/the source of all evil/french porn director?
Or Femsex for that matter. Don’t tell me you didn’t close that one. She was all over you like a starved dog on a particularly juicy steak.
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He may be the gold standard of douchiness, but no one said it better than Tucker Max.
‘No one hates on the anonymous and unimportant.’
yah hitler was important!
and so was jeffery darhmer and charles mansosnsnssosmnso!!
lzozlzlzzllzlzzlz
i think tuc;er’s orinignal quote wasth
“‘No one hates on the non-secrteive tapers of butthex who film it with the girlths conthent, and also the weekly standard prefers authors who tape the anal sex butthex in secret lzozlzlz.’”
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TL, DR:
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I think I’ve almost all of these things said about Roissy at one point in time, either here on the comments or in other blogs.
The “Game doesn’t work” people are the funniest ones to me.
Most haters have nothing to validate their theories, they just spew shit out of their mouth.
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one more version.
http://www.match.com/profile/showProfile.aspx?uid=D1goAwAcR56L6WKmf6FYBQ==&handle=Banker_NYC82&tp=S&pn=1&rn=4&do=2&lid=18
Match is a $ hungry pimp…now hosting hookers
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I love haters.
Imagine this blog without haters…it would be just a bunch of nodding heads saying: “Yes, Roissy, you are absolutely correct.”
Boring.
…also, destroying the half-baked ideas of haters is so much mindless fun.
I will defer to the immortal words of Kat Williams:
You need haters to make you stronger…w/o haters most ppl wouldn’t try to become better. Just tell them “bitch u just hate me b/c u can’t be me…”
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Who is this “Jay” above….
I’m the original
If you don’t have haters, you’re doing it wrong.
Trying to please everyone is retarded.
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Meh. I disregard negative people. Oh man was never meant to fly dontcha know. Or go to space. Or conquer the atom. Or climb Everest.
Fack dat shite n fuck da haterz
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‘No one hates on the anonymous and unimportant.’
Can you imagine how many famous leaders used the technique of blending in, to mask their intention to achieve their goal, be careful with this type, they usually go very very far.
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lzozllzllzlzl
hey when the fed gets done bankrupting the western world hows das ya think it wills alls ends?
with a whimper or with a bang?
will all the h8ers riot in teh streets and protest the fact i get more gina than them cause tehy take post-tucker-max-butthexed chix on dates who were deosuled in the fed’s desouling programs lzozlzlozzl and because i know this i just go lzozlzlozlzozzo and they hop on my cock?
will they crucify me for loving my neighbor as i love myself if ya know hat i’;m talking out as i will jack my neighbors clit off any time if she is hot yo and cool and not a bitchy deosuled butchy bitch with cats lzozlzzl
will they free barabbarus and send me 2 die?
what will teh mobs of h8ers and masterb8ers do?
lzozlz
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“Who is this “Jay” above….
I’m the original”
Sorry, bud, didn’t know there already was a Jay.
i’ll go by Jayz now
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
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“rape!, rapety-rape!” made my day 🙂
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According to the NPR … Teen Pregnancy … it’s all the Menz fault.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127209931
It’s the Haters in High Places (like NPR) you got to worry about.
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Get a tip jar.
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One of the surest indicators of an AFC-beta mindset is the automatic presumption that anything remotely critical a man would say about women, or the feminine, is by default, equated with misogyny. All a man need do is open his mouth, in the most objective manner, about anything critical of the feminine and he’s instantly suspect of sour grapes. He must’ve been burned, or is bitter and on the verge of desperation just for even a passing mention of some critical observation.
What an amazingly potent social convention that is – when a man will censor himself because of it on his own. The most successful social conventions are ones in which the subject willingly sublimates his own interests, discourages questioning it, and predisposes that person to encourage others to participate in it.
When men can be convinced to participate in women’s social conventions half their work is done for them.
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What I find amusing is how many people — most, but not all of them women — find the very IDEA of game abhorrent. The thought that there are dudes out there getting chicks to sleep with them, who aren’t really coke-addled rock stars or pimps, somehow offends their sense of how the Universe ought to work.
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Will Smith. Real Alpha.
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Knockout post.
Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.
^^^ This is my favorite. Against all wise counsel, I’ve had many workplace flings, emerging unscathed (and kept a few secret).
What’s most satisfying of all is juxtaposing the sneers of the tools who espouse this kind of nonsense with the earnestly raised eyebrows of ‘nice career girls’ gargling on my cock.
Those guys continue to cover these girls with ‘don’t worry about it’ lunches and happy hour tabs and get a hug every blue moon.
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Haters drinking their haterAid.
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Because Roissy’s all about the love …
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one thing that crax me up is the 8ers who vote me down don’t they know it is useless to resist the massiveness of my cox? lzozlzlzl
i mena don’t get me wrong the lovers massively outweigh the h8ers but my only fear is waht if one of the 8ers gets a hold of a dirty bomb or nucrleaer device and try to take down my lzozlzlzlzzozlzlzlzlzlzing for once and for all?
all teh thumbs down i pictures from dudes in tehir mid twenties who foolowed all teh rules and always did everything good and never noticed the feds cock in their anus going in and out and in and out and the fed’;s cock in their girlfrinds (lozlzl) anus going in and out in and out sucking her soul out zlzozllzzl leaving her a purely meaterial being with no spiritual worth and thus no reason nor worth in marrying lzozlzlzllzo and then instead of h8ing on teh fed that paid tehir mom to exile divorce tehir fatehr to bang biker cock just liek teh fed pays womenz on college campuses to exile the great books and classics so that tehy can kill teh constitutional context and enslaev e us and rule over all vbia gina tingles lzozlzlzllz omg lzozlzlzl, the problem is that the fanboyz mashing buttons in tehir single mom’s basements h8 on roissy and me and not tehir slutty slutt moms lzozlzlzozlz
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the problem is that the fanboyz mashing buttons in tehir single mom’s basements h8 on roissy and me and not tehir slutty slutt moms lzozlzlzozlz and teh federal reserve butthexing matrix masters who desoul women for fun & profit via butthexing sessions en route to being lauded in teh pages of the weekly standard and having their corproate pr lies repeated which is one of da highest honors lzozlzlzlzlz.
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It takes a lot to make me actually LOL, but #15 did it:
In other news, losing 20 pounds was discovered to grant formerly chubby girls strange hypnotic powers over the minds of men. Feeling manipulated, men took to the streets en masse to demand relief from their attraction to these newly slender girls.
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it’s hard 2 8 me as i go lzolzzlozzozol and if you 8 me for geting tto much pussy i go “come here i feel your poain and you should always knwo taht i do not mind sharing if you do not mind going second lzozllz as i would rather you taste my giz then me taste yours as i do not enjoy teh taste of giz and thus do not date american womenz and rearely kiss them and go hey please please will you just go down on my cocka and give it your tongue as i have a herpes sore on mine” now i don’t really have a herpes sore on my tongue but i detest the tatste of other men’s splooge so much taht i will go so far as to fabricate stories about herpie sores on my tongue zlzozllzlzzlzlz hey don’t you bitches take my tricks as sooner or later american womenz will catch on but proabbly not ebfore they catch on to the fact that the fed is fundin their secrteiev tapings of assocking sessions during which tehir wouls are killed dead lzzozlzl
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Greatbooksformen.
It kinda goes without saying but wow. haha
Roissy was this bitch a good hit, or is she just a random die hard commenter(clown)?
“If you are really effective at what you do, 95% of the things said about you will be negative.” Scott Boras
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hey i am thinking of trademarking some of teh following which is best?
lzozlzlzlzlzl(TM)
lzozlzzlozzlzlzlzozozo(TM)
lzozozbutthexomglzlzozl(TM)
lzozozoneoconfedbuthexloxllxlxlx(TM)
lzozzlzllz(TM)
lozozlomgbutthexfiatmatrixlollzlzl(TM)
lzozlzl(TM)
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from zero hedge yesterday:
Coinupdate.com reports that prices at which the Greek Central Bank is selling one ounce gold equivalents are as high as $1,700 (40% over spot), and prices on the black markets are even higher. The punchline, as Athens slowly returns to a forced gold standard: ” A popular spot for street vendors to sell their coins is near the Athens Stock Exchange. There the traders wait for citizens to bring payments received from unloading their paper assets like stocks and bonds.” That’s good – downtown Manhattan close to the NYSE has some free space for gold vendors to set up shop as well, they just need to push some of the frontrunning/collocation boxes off to the side. And in other rhetorical ruminations, is it safe to say that the last days of the fiat experiment are among us now that people themselves are bypassing the government and enforcing their own gold standard?
lozzle!
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I applaud Roissy, if he is infact scoring quite often with attractive chicks. But I don’t think it’s hate to question whether scoring with American gals is really something MOST GUYS want to put a lot of effort into these days.
For me, if I really tried gaming chicks the best I could do would be average to slightly above average women, and considering most of these girls already have toxic personalties to begin with, because they weren’t born all that pretty, well, it just doesn’t seem worth it.
Game is best for guys who along their other assests are going to be scoring with attractive women. As far as game for average looking guys, who can score with some chunky gal, or if their really lucky some 6, it does seem pretty lame.
For a guy who already has the looks, or the bad ass thing going it’s great. But for about 80 to 85 percent of the rest of the male population, the time and effort put into gaming, as well as the end result amounts to a pretty lame sex life at best.
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Puma,
At the risk of me looking stupid, will you please tell us what that video was all about? Where the action took place?
The name of the song & artist heard during the video?
It was pretty cool. Thank you.
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Dude, that was hilarious. Very true, and very funny.
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i wonder when future harvard histroias write about teh era of roissy will they call bernanke’s reign teh great butthexing of america and teh world?
THE GREAT BUTTHEXING OF AMERICA
“During the great butthexing of America and the World, women we desouled in massively-multiplayer asscocking sessions which were often secretly taped without the woman’s consent with the asscockers being rewarded with their corproate PR lies about their height and success being repeated in the pages of the Weekly Standard, the erudite magazine which liberated conservatism from Russell Kirk, Edmund Burke , faith, the family, and the US Constitution, and replaced it with rewarding asscockers, massive debt, and foreign wars on foreign shores. Women were convinced to rip their babies form their wombs by the neocons and many women dutifully waged preemptive war against over 50,000,000 unborn innocents as the neocons waged preemptive war against the women’s anuses. All the conflating of virtue with asscocking, abortion, murder, debt, war, debauchery, desecration, gina tingles, and anal rape of innocent men in divorce court lead some to go lzozlozllozlzlzlz. Sir Great Books For Men was knighted for his valor in the face of butthex, and his most famous quote adorns his humble gravesstone. “lozozlzzl a fiat currency infverts up and down and good and bad and one morning u wake up and conservatiove charlotte allen is hyping secretive tapers of butthex in a conservative magaizne lzozllzoozl instead of jesus and socrates and plato and aristotle and burke and homer lzozllzl omg and while i got a lotta vagina via the feds deosulling of women, now and then i wouldn’t have minded a chcik with a smaller dick and a bigger soul insteadof a sore ahole lzozlzlzl.””
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My favorite form of sub-hate (or specific hate) is when the 30+ female crowd sneers at a “mature” man dating a younger woman. Suddenly the man is manipulative, creepy, or simply can’t find a “real” [read: well worn and desperate] woman. Meanwhile, the younger girl is naive, inexperienced, or (flipping things) somehow manipulating him.
It’s inconceivable to some people that two willing adults might just want to have some fun with each other.
What’s incredible to me is that American society has accelerated its acceptance of not only Cougar-younger man relationships, but homosexual relationships of ANY age, yet a May-December fling that’s older man/younger woman is shamed and frowned upon, with the man receiving the lion’s share of vilification and hate for his supposed predatory habits.
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Any male using the word “misogyny” without irony immediately voids his right to bear testicles.
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Puma, interesting vid.
This comment is below the vid on youtube.
If this doesnt work I am gonna put my story out on YOUTUBE and get fathers like me and handcuff myself to the whitehouse fence. There are no special interest groups for us.
I am a US air Force Vet and have been paying into the system since I was 13 years old. have 34 years as a career empolyee. If a judge put me on house arrest I would just say “SO?”. I’m already on house arrest. I can bareley afford to get to work and back.
racedog19
4 months ago
I live in Missouri…and i am the parent that has done everything for my daughter. she is a traveling softball team player and straight A student. she won the Offensive Most Valuable Player Award at the world series july 2009. i took her to all of her practices and all of the tournaments every weekend.
all it took was her mother to cry on the stand and make false statements and the court raped me on pure hearsay.
now i am in a custody modification battle. I am flat broke and 52 years old
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http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2010/05/18/tim-ferriss-scam-practical-tactics-for-dealing-with-haters/
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All I can say is – as a “greater beta” whose eyes have recently been opened – is that I am currently witnessing my brother’s divorce, because in the face of a wife, a kid, and bills, he suppressed his (limited) natural game in favor of supplicating himself to a woman who is now out trolling for cocks and loving it, and on the other hand, helped a friend (essentially a herb) get his marriage under control with explaining shit tests and reframing. Game is real and it works – even at a basic level of stimulating interest vs catering to her whims – in every relationship.
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The haters just see the manipulation they want to see. Do you know what its like to be lied to by beautiful women? It has gotten back to me that several dozen 9s and 10s faked orgasms with me. That’s a huge percentage, almost double digits. They manipulated me into believing that 5 or 6 thrusts was enough when they were bent over the chair. They made me believe they too were satisfied with getting it done and then heading over for my hearty six egg omelet breakfast.
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Why are you suddenly worried about what others think, even to the point of anally/systematically categorizing the so-called “haters”? I’ve read this blog and most of the commenters are live and let-live, even when you bring up religion and politics. The eumenides (haters/helicopters) must be after you and you’re ignoring their message! You’re stuck in the aesthetic stage! Repent (grow out of) of your wicked ways or you will enter a long period of depression! Move to the ethical/religious stage where your insights about game still have relevance!
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lozlzlozzlzlzl it seems tim ferriss hates the truth lzozllzl
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2010/05/18/tim-ferriss-scam-practical-tactics-for-dealing-with-haters/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#Unsubstantiated_Content_and_Unsourced.2C_Spurious_Claims
Unsubstantiated Content and Unsourced, Spurious Claims
On page 12 of his book The Four Hour Work Week, Timothy Ferriss claims that: he is a National Chinese Kickboxing champion.[26] That he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions[27]. (MMA These fights are not sufficiently substantiated by Ferriss [2] and appear in no MMA databases. That he is “Advisor to more than 30 world record holders in professional and Olympic sports.[28] (not substantiated). In the book Timothy Ferriss claims he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions (MMA), but he provides no names,[29] and he claims that he was a National Chinese kickboxing champion, but he provides no year and expert researchers ahve turned up no results in any database, neither online nor offline.” [30].
Many more unsubstantiated claims are made. For the above claims, there are no records anywhere outside of Mr. Ferriss’s own book. There are no footnotes, nor links to any websites, nor photos provided, nor video, nor any supporting materials whatsoever. In addition, Mr. Ferriss provides absolutely no details as to names, locations, times, or cities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#Unsubstantiated_Content_and_Unsourced.2C_Spurious_Claims
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i think that what is happening in his case is that he built an empire on a bunch of lies and now taht he has loottztztztass money or at leatss some he is using the psychology that “becvause i have lotsa money you must 8 me and thus my lies that i built it upon are true lzozlzlzl”
lolzlozlzlz he quotes sceneca a lot but somehow leaves out this: “Success consecrates the most offensive crimes.”
Lucius Annaeus Seneca lzolzlzlz omg lzozlzlz
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You’re the biggest hater yourself. What goes around, comes around.
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both tim ferriss and tucker max acheived great [publishing suiccess due to tehir willingness to hype and deceive and make vast claims and then stand on pillows to make them look six feet tall like tucker did lzozlzlzlzl
this si the mark of manhood in a fiat age–the ability to lie and lie and lie and go lzozlzlzozlzlzl if you say i am lying you r a h8er. now leths go tape some butthex without the girlths conthent lzozlzlzl! this si teh new neocon manhood which is gained not by character and noble action but by fiat lzozlzlzl
and teh lack of any evidence in this digital camera internet email online website age backing this whatsoever is fucking hilarious lzozllzllzlzlz zlzozozlozlz especially when it is how mr. ferris makes his living using tehcnology to hype himself lzozlzl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#Unsubstantiated_Content_and_Unsourced.2C_Spurious_Claims
Unsubstantiated Content and Unsourced, Spurious Claims
On page 12 of his book The Four Hour Work Week, Timothy Ferriss claims that: he is a National Chinese Kickboxing champion.[26] That he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions[27]. (MMA These fights are not sufficiently substantiated by Ferriss [2] and appear in no MMA databases. That he is “Advisor to more than 30 world record holders in professional and Olympic sports.[28] (not substantiated). In the book Timothy Ferriss claims he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions (MMA), but he provides no names,[29] and he claims that he was a National Chinese kickboxing champion, but he provides no year and expert researchers ahve turned up no results in any database, neither online nor offline.” [30].
Many more unsubstantiated claims are made. For the above claims, there are no records anywhere outside of Mr. Ferriss’s own book. There are no footnotes, nor links to any websites, nor photos provided, nor video, nor any supporting materials whatsoever. In addition, Mr. Ferriss provides absolutely no details as to names, locations, times, or cities. lolzlzlzlzlzlzl
making himself look six foot tall a fiat butthexing lie charlotte alllen repeated in teh pages of teh weekly sthnadard as old neocon womenth have not yet heard of google lzolzlzlzlzl which is why the neocons pay them 2 research and write artiocles lzozlxlxl
http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/
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@chi-town:
I must ask, does that mean you would have rather been told that you sucked and to get out of them as soon as they realized they wouldn’t be satisfied?
I mean, to a degree, I could appreciate a willingness to take that sort of honesty.
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@Discord
It was not that I sucked, its just that they did not like the under 10 thrusts as much as I did.
Though if you prefer honesty, I would rather they prepare breakfast.
Its hard to be over the top around here isn’t it?
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As tedious as I find some of Roissy’s periodic ejaculations of liber-douche-ian political ideology, this blog is an awesome game resource (Roosh’s too). Though I did pretty well before, reading has definitely helped me improve certain aspects of my game I had never really given much thought, and step it up to a new level. As far as the haters and denyers go, let’s just say that game reck-a-nize game. If you ain’t got it, then you ain’t with it.
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P.S. Barack Obama is alpha!
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@chi-town:
It is a possibility. Have you confronted them to confirm? And if you did, how many were honest?
If you realy think that a girl is going to get off with 10 thrusts or less, without some MAJOR play beforehand, there’s quite a bit to learn. But, isn’t part of being a Pick-Up Artist not caring what the women think, and just bagging them?
If you’re aiming for orgasm, the odds are against you in the first place. 10% of women will likely never have one, approximately 50-60% will require clitoral stimulation in order to reach it, and approximately 20-30% can achieve it with thrusting alone. It usually takes at least 20 minutes to get there. Your mileage may vary, but those are averages.
*shrug* As far as cooking, I’d say it depends on whose place it was. Why bother with it, though? If all you’re up for is leading a girl up to the point of doing the walk of shame, why feed her?
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“Hater: Naturals get women because they aren’t trying to get them.
After many years of practice, I’m sure it looked like Beethoven wasn’t trying when he played piano.
Or: A natural is simply a man whose game is internalized, but the tactics remain the same.”
That is gold – and it’s a pity that a lot of the poor folks forking out tons of moolah for “Natural Game” seminars don’t realize this.
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Roissy,
Men work for money to attract women’s attention? Are you about pursuing sex or prestige? Because having sex is no big deal, you can pay a prostitute for that easily. It’s the same physical act, right? So what are you bragging about?
[editor: i guess i’m too much of a romantic to be a strict reductionist. or: love is all you need.]
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I don’t know if I would go as far as to say Obama is alpha. He seems to make a great beta bitch for Wall Street fat cats.
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@trimegistus: game is to the male what makeup/plastic surgery is to the female. Each are remedial in nature and seek to paper over genetic deficiencies. They’re not gonna give up their makeup, so why should we give up game?
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who gives a fuck what baby boomers and boomer spawn think of you. if I had my way they would all be liquidated Stalin-style.
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Silver Fox: “Match is a $ hungry pimp…now hosting hookers”
There didn’t seem anything hooker-like about those dames. Sure, they showed off their assets well. Would you rather they clothed themselves in the shapeless sack-like raiments most women of their age and social class do? Would you rather they were in photos with 20 of their grimacing “best friends,” as is the normal technique on personals photos? It’s not like anyone is interested in their law degrees.
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Oh I didn’t know that to become Beethoven in music you only need 100’s of hours of practice. Get started tomorrow then. Reading a blog will help too. After all nature has nothing to do with it. You can be anything you want!
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@Bhetti
How is Lady Pain in bed, O citizen renegade/chateau/roissy/prince of darkness/the source of all evil/french porn director?
Or Femsex for that matter. Don’t tell me you didn’t close that one. She was all over you like a starved dog on a particularly juicy steak
I know I shouldn’t. This is verging on the voyeuristic.
But.
Do Tell.
Plizz.
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Silver Fox is a moron
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Put me down for a small dose of #8, but why does that have to be a “hater” opinion? Of course game doesn’t work on every woman, or at least does not work the same way on every woman. Roissy would admit that in a heartbeat. That’s part of why his game arsenal always includes a time to pull back and move on to a new target. But it doesn’t mean that game and Roissy’s discussion thereof isn’t interesting, relevant, and useful. Any discussion of human nature will contain generalizations that do not apply in every instance; that doesn’t render discussion pointless. It reminds me of political discussions where you’re trying to tease out distinctions between, e.g., liberal and conservative political philosophy. You can spot the asshats not worth talking to if they try to dodge a point like “liberals favor unions over productive business” by saying “no, I don’t feel that way and I’m a liberal, so you can’t say that’s a liberal position.” Well, then there’s no point in talking about broad political philosophy, is there? Similarly, the mere fact that game doesn’t apply the same way to all women doesn’t mean Roissy’s observations aren’t cogent. It just means they’re on a more general level, and the specifics are up to the individual to figure out.
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1. discord, chi-town is making a “joke.” He isn’t really having sex with so many 9’s and 10’s that having a dozen of them complain only amounts to about to 10% of the 9’s and 10’s he’s sleeping with (i.e., over a 120). Besides, as Roosh and R say, it doesn’t matter.
2. Lupo, I don’t think silver fox was making a value judgment but commenting on how both profiles were exactly the same, down to their height and Ivy league education. Match (or some Russian scam artists) are trolling for idiots.
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“There didn’t seem anything hooker-like about those dames. Sure, they showed off their assets well. Would you rather they clothed themselves in the shapeless sack-like raiments most women of their age and social class do? Would you rather they were in photos with 20 of their grimacing “best friends,” as is the normal technique on personals photos? It’s not like anyone is interested in their law degrees.”
When I was on match.com everything you said here was true. Women in moomoos? Check. Women in pictures with 14 other interchangeable bar chicks? Yep. Insane, paradoxical requests for men to be all things at once? Yeah. Entitlement princess complexes? Oh God.
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or is he…?
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Question: I was in a foreign country recently. There were two pudgy retrograde-looking guys in a restaurant, with receding hairline, tire around the waist, washed-out looking. But they talked very loud and with confidence about all the inane stuff that went through their mind (stomach trouble after drinking, etc.). They were very “confident” though or seemed to want to act that way. One of them asked me to take a picture of them with their girls, and even this request was delivered in a “confident” way that I found repulsive. Like daschund trying to act “big dog.” I am worried that Roissy is encouraging such people? Guys like Obama who want to “act alpha” but are clearly not? They’re very annoying. I am worried that Roissy and Co. are encouraging douchebags.
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As a hater, I must point out that one comes for the hate, but stays for the piercing insights. My very first post to this blog was never released from moderation. Somehow you forgot the you’ve-got-a-small-penis haters.
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Nice post, thanks.
I used to be a less-alpha… WTF happened to me?
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So true man. So true.
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concise and precise. i like it. this also uncannily matches the major argument styles of non-game related hate too. big ups.
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@Andrew S.
For me, if I really tried gaming chicks the best I could do would be average to slightly above average women, and considering most of these girls already have toxic personalties to begin with, because they weren’t born all that pretty, well, it just doesn’t seem worth it.
Get better at game. I should only be able to score some of the time with 6-6.5 women. I operate at least a point above that all the time; and 7 is where the fun really starts. I can manage 8. 9 is a bit of a… challenge. But it’s there.
It’s utterly worth it all the time anyway, guy. The hotter a woman is, the harder you get. Trust me.
Game is best for guys who along their other assests are going to be scoring with attractive women. As far as game for average looking guys, who can score with some chunky gal, or if their really lucky some 6, it does seem pretty lame.
Dude. Dress/exercise/be interesting/try. Oh, yeah: Talk to women.
You’d be amazed. I was. When I was married, I thought it was the best I could do. I was completely, absolutely wrong.
For a guy who already has the looks, or the bad ass thing going it’s great. But for about 80 to 85 percent of the rest of the male population, the time and effort put into gaming, as well as the end result amounts to a pretty lame sex life at best.
Sir, try. You could not be more wrong.
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HOLY FUCKING SHITTT!!!
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that timothy ferriss dude from above wa sin TUCKER MAX’S EPIC FAIL butthex MOVIE lzozlzlzlzl:
“The film includes cameo appearances from UFC fighters Forrest Griffin and Mac Danzig; rapper Paul Wall; Fark.com founder Drew Curtis, author Timothy Ferriss, and the real-life Tucker Max (playing Dan’s older brother Jeff). Producer/writer Nils Parker also has a small cameo, playing an announcer in the strip club.”
LOZLZZLZOZLZOZZOZLZOZLZL!!! I love it how in most nmovies yu have heard of the cameos but in this movie you’re never heard of them lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzl.
In every movie when they roll teh creidts they should list every single actor playing a cameo roll. ozlzozzlzlz as it’s true! they’re all playing cameos in teh movei lzozzlllzlz
anyways i thinks it’s aweosme that tim ferriss doesn’t brag about being in tucker max’s movies for which there is copious proof like more than a semen stain on monicalweinskies dress lzozlzlzlzl but iunstead tim ferriss brags about things for which there is no record in any database on or off the internet lozzllzlzlz just like tucker max’s secretive butthex tape broke lzozlzlzozlzlzlz omg
but the ny neocons and fiatcons eat up this butthexing hyping unsubstantiaded hype as it sells booooks and converts fiat dollars which they wire into tim and tucker into dfouche-dripping pennies lzozlzlzozlzozlzozllzozozllzlzzlozlzlzlzzlz lozlzz omg lzozlzlzzzlozlozlzl
this is what fiat dollars does to manhood as neocon womenz run ny publishing and foce sex and the city 2 upon us alongside douchebag graggarts and secrtive tapers of butthex like tucker max who gave ferriss a role in his epic fail multi-million-dollar bust which was hailed a success by chalotee allen as t9o teh neconcs anything that creates debt and douchebaggery and debauchery is a great succthess lozzllzozzlzl
–http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#Unsubstantiated_Content_and_Unsourced.2C_Spurious_Claims
Unsubstantiated Content and Unsourced, Spurious Claims
On page 12 of his book The Four Hour Work Week, Timothy Ferriss claims that: he is a National Chinese Kickboxing champion.[26] That he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions[27]. (MMA These fights are not sufficiently substantiated by Ferriss [2] and appear in no MMA databases. That he is “Advisor to more than 30 world record holders in professional and Olympic sports.[28] (not substantiated). In the book Timothy Ferriss claims he has been a “Cage fighter in Japan, vanquisher of four world champions (MMA), but he provides no names,[29] and he claims that he was a National Chinese kickboxing champion, but he provides no year and expert researchers ahve turned up no results in any database, neither online nor offline.” [30].
Many more unsubstantiated claims are made. For the above claims, there are no records anywhere outside of Mr. Ferriss’s own book. There are no footnotes, nor links to any websites, nor photos provided, nor video, nor any supporting materials whatsoever. In addition, Mr. Ferriss provides absolutely no details as to names, locations, times, or cities.
–http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#Unsubstantiated_Content_and_Unsourced.2C_Spurious_Claims
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Betas, and AFCs: learn game.
It’s gold, and anyone who tells you different is a deluded female who either doesn’t want you straying or doesn’t want your penis.
Or another guy who hates himself.
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“Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.Roissy: Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.”
Yes, this is and always has been my complaint. Never once effectively rebutted. Alpha is a concept, an archetype; game is a pragmatic methodology. Preaching game technique to BECOME alpha is like telling a street-smart entrepreneur how his process will enable him to become TRULY CAPITALIST. OK, lovely theoretical construct, but who gives a fuck? Alpha can’t be taught. Beta cannot be unlearned.
If you are a practitioner, you’re out running game weekly. If You’re a theoretical, you’re on here discussing game theory. These are two different people. If you’re an alpha, you know these things inherently; if you’re a beta/omega, you want to argue and deny and qualify all this wisdom. Fuck you! stop reading and commenting: go implement, go execute.
I don’t read this shit any more because I’ve learned what I need to know. But I also happen to be a natural alpha.
Let betas be beta. It is the way of things.
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P.S. Barack Obama is alpha!
Oh FFS! You seen what he’s married to? You think he’s getting *anything* on the side, when she’s got his ‘nads in the grip of those massive arms?
Herb.
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the raison dat roissy and i gets along so wells is dat i play the striaght man to his funniness lzozlzllz
like he talks about all teh light hearted subjsted like game and betaherb h8ers lzozlzlz and i cover all teh dark things descening into hell like dante did in the inferno and shuddering at all teh secretive tapers and tapinsg off butthex underway.
hey you know whas funny?
i dant’es inferno the usuers were in the same level as heel as the butthexers.
in dante’s inferno the fiat masters were in teh same level of hell as teh butthexers!!! i ma not making this up!!!
the fiat masters were right next to the butthexers lzozlzlzl!!!
(14), Sodomy (15-16), Usury (17)
no wonder they hate the greta books in colleges lzozlzlzllz and prefer tucker max sodomites lzozlzl
http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle7.html#violence
“those who violate nature, God’s offspring (sodomites: Inferno 15-16); and those who harm industry and the economy, offspring of nature and therefore grandchild of God (usurers: Inferno 17). Identifying the sins of these last two groups with Sodom and Cahors (Inf. 11.49-50), Dante draws on the biblical destruction of Sodom (and Gomorrah) by fire and brimstone (Genesis 19:24-5) and the medieval condemnations of citizens of Cahors (a city in southern France) for usury. Dante’s emotional reactions to the shades in the seventh circle range from neutral observation of the murderers and compassion for a suicide to respect for several Florentine sodomites and revulsion at the sight and behavior of the lewd usurers. ”
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Dante recognized that in order to prop up the false value of their fiat regime, the MBA must naturally commit violence against art—one can see the financial lzozlozolzo motivations for the deconstruction and dumbing down of the academy lozlzlzlz—for the removal of Zeus’ lzozlzl lightning and Moses’s lzozllzlz thundering justice—for the concerted attack on the exalted, masculine soul which passes judgment on FRAUD:
The monstrous shape lands on the brink and Virgil salutes it ironically. It is GERYON, the MONSTER OF FRAUD. Virgil announces that they must fly down from the cliff on the back of this monster. While Virgil negotiates for their passage, Dante is sent to examine the USURERS (The Violent against Art). . . These sinners sit in a crouch along the edge of the burning plain that approaches the cliff. Each of them has a leather purse around his neck, and each purse is blazoned with a coat of arms. Their eyes, gushing with tears, are forever fixed on these purses. Dante recognizes none of these sinners, but their coats of arms are unmistakably those of well-known Florentine families. . . Having understood who they are and the reason for their present condition, Dante cuts short his excursion and returns to find Virgil mounted on the back of Geryon. Dante joins his Master and they fly down from the great cliff. . . Their flight carries them from the Hell of the VIOLENT AND THE BESTIAL (The Sins of the Lion) into the Hell of the FRAUDULENT AND MALICIOUS (The Sins of the Leopard). –p. 133, The Divine Comedy (The Inferno, The Purgatorio, and The Paradiso) by Dante Alighieri and John Ciardi
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@Howard Roark
Beta cannot be unlearned.
Explains all the pussy, then.
These are two different people. If you’re an alpha, you know these things inherently; if you’re a beta/omega, you want to argue and deny and qualify all this wisdom.
Fuck you! stop reading and commenting: go implement, go execute.
I don’t read this shit any more because I’ve learned what I need to know.
Feel free to stop reading and commenting any time.
But I also happen to be a natural alpha.
Let betas be beta. It is the way of things.
Your opinion on this subject counts for, …
let me see, … struggling here, … must be something in the pocket, … lint, … paperclip, … ethereal dust, …
Nothing.
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@Biktopia –
Yeah, the comments under the video are sad. I like the one by the Danish guy though; he says “You are Heroes for all of us”.
@Lazy Guy –
That video is from the “Direct Action Campaigns” of a men’s rights group in the UK called Fathers4Justice. Instead of writing letters to MPs and such, they go and storm places like the Buckingham Palace, the Parliament, MP’s houses, and so forth.
The two guys at the start of the video are the ones being shown raiding Buckingham Palace. I don’t who the soundtrack music is from, but it’s good.
F4J is organized by a guy named Matt O’Connor. Here is a BBC interview with him below …
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http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/in-dante%E2%80%99s-inferno-the-fiat-masters-were-in-teh-same-level-of-hell-as-teh-butthexers-i-ma-not-making-this-up-omg-lzozllzlzlz/
in dante’s inferno the fiat masters were in teh same level of hell as teh butthexers!!! i ma not making this up!!! omg lzozllzlzlz
the raison dat roissy and i gets along so wells is dat i play the striaght man to his funniness lzozlzllz
like he talks about all teh light hearted subjsted like game and betaherb h8ers lzozlzlz and i cover all teh dark things descening into hell like dante did in the inferno and shuddering at all teh secretive tapers and tapinsg off butthex underway.
hey you know whas funny?
i dant’es inferno the usuers were in the same level as heel as the butthexers.
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while tim ferriss and tucker max and jonah goldberg and charlotte allen never speak out against fiat currencies and their fed and butthex lololollzozlzllz and in fact hype and promote it lzozlzlzlzl alongside unsubstantiaed fiat lies serving the fiat masters of ny including trying to pass tucker max off as a six foor tall butthsecual hero when he’s s ahort short butthexer douchetard, it will interest you to knows that throughout histroy the greatest of teh greats, who teh fiat masters must take down on a diakly baisis lzozllzzllzlz always were cirticital of the immorality adn seeidness and sin of theft via fiat inflation and fiat butthexing the poeple lzozllzlzlzlzlzlz.
i just want u guys to know taht there was a time when conservatism and manhood and turh and honor were baout the ocnstitution and the classics and honesty and the gold standrad and not about butthex and welath transfer to the fiat cabal via the fmeinist movement which exisst to sezie property from men while destorying and sdeosuling womenz menz and childrenz so that tehre is more business for teh neocon drugg gcompaniesl zlzozllz
but anayways here’s yas goes–proof that great men once did walk this earth though the eneocns sell us trucker max and tim ferriss and jonah goldberg as ther master alphas when they are jyust master betas lzolzlzlzlzlozlzl
The directors of such companies (joint-stock corporations), however, being the managers rather of other people’s money than of their own, it cannot well be expected, that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in a private copartnery frequently watch over their own …. Negligence and profusion, therefore, must always prevail, more or less in the management of the affairs of such a company? –Adam Smith, The Wealth on Nations, 1776
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. –Thoms Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
Fair dealing leads to greater profit in the end. –Homer’s Odyssey
Thou shalt not steal. –Moses, Exodus
The boom produces impoverishment. But still more disastrous are its moral ravages. It makes people despondent and dispirited. The more optimistic they were under the illusory prosperity of the boom, the greater is their despair and their feeling of frustration. –Mises
The authors of the Constitution were very much aware of the dangers of inflation and the need for commodity money. Destruction of the continental dollar was vivid in their minds. The journals of the Continental Congress noted that “paper currency… is multiplied beyond the rules of good policy. No truth being more evident, than that where the quantity of money. . . exceeds what is useful as a medium of commerce, its comparative value must be proportionately reduced.” Further, inflations “tend to the depravity of morals, and decay of the public faith, injustice to individuals, and the destruction of the honor, safety, and independence of the United States.” –R. Paul, End The Fed, The Constitutional Case, p. 165
If you are in debt, you are a slave to that debt. –Benjamin Franklin
The second vice is lying, the first is running in debt. . . Lying rides upon debt’s back. –Franklin
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value—zero. —Voltaire
The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. –Ernest Hemingway
You have a choice between the natural stability of gold and the honesty and intelligence of the members of government. And with all due respect for those gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the capitalist system lasts, vote for gold. –George Bernard Shaw
If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash. –George Washington
To emit an unfunded paper as the sign of value ought not to continue a formal part of the Constitution, nor even hereafter to be employed; being, in its nature, pregnant with abuses, and liable to be made the engine of imposition and fraud; holding out temptations equally pernicious to the integrity of government and to the morals of the people. –Alexander Hamilton
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. This issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of the moneyed corporations which already dare to challenge our Government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. –Thomas Jefferson
I see in the near future a crisis approach which unnerves me and cause me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations (of banking) have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed. –Abraham Lincoln
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. –James Madison
All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation. –John Adams
The gold standard has one tremendous virtue: the quantity of the money supply, under the gold standard, is independent of the policies of governments and political parties. This is its advantage. It is a form of protection against spendthrift governments. . . The gold standard did not collapse. Governments abolished it in order to pave the way for inflation. The whole grim apparatus of oppression and coercion, policemen, customs guards, penal courts, prisons, in some countries even executioners, had to be put into action in order to destroy the gold standard. –Ludwig von Mises
Of the innumerable evils which usually brings the decadence of kingdoms, principalities, and republics, the four greatest are, in my opinion: war, immorality, infertility of the land, and the debasement of money. For the first three, the evidence is obvious. But for the fourth, which concerns money, except for a few men of intellect, few people ever see it. Why? Because it is not in one fell swoop, but gradually, by a somewhat latent character, it ruins the state. –Copernicus
The themes of this paper are simple—the study of economics is incomplete and quite tragic without the classical, heroic, Austrian spirit contained in the words of the Greats. Gresham’s Law stipulates that bad money drives good money out of circulation; and I contend that a fiat currency drives soul, honor, and the classical, epic spirit out of the culture; exiling Aristophanes et al., and replacing Homer with feminist lit and Grand Theft Auto—two sides of the same coin:
I’ll tell you what I think about the way
This city treats her soundest men today;
By a coincidence more sad than funny,
It’s very like the way we treat our money.
The noble silver drachma that of old we were
So proud of, and the recent gold coins that
Rang true, clean-stamped and worth their weight
Throughout the world, have ceased to circulate.
Instead the purses of Athenian shoppers
Are full of shoddy silver-plated coppers
Just so, when men are needed by the nation,
The best have been withdrawn from circulation.
—Aristophanes, The Frogs, 400 BC
lozlzlzlz Dante recognized that in order to prop up the false value of their fiat lzozozlzl butthex regime, the MBA must naturally commit violence and butthex assrape against art—one can see the financial motivations for the deconstruction and dumbing down and butthexing of the academy—for the butthexing removal of Zeus’ lightning and butthexing Moses’s thundering justice—for the concerted butthexing attack on the exalted, masculine soul which passes judgment on FRAUD:
The monstrous shape lands on the brink and Virgil salutes it ironically. It is GERYON, the MONSTER OF FRAUD. Virgil announces that they must fly down from the cliff on the back of this monster. While Virgil negotiates for their passage, Dante is sent to examine the USURERS (The Violent against Art). . . These sinners sit in a crouch along the edge of the burning plain that approaches the cliff. Each of them has a leather purse around his neck, and each purse is blazoned with a coat of arms. Their eyes, gushing with tears, are forever fixed on these purses. Dante recognizes none of these sinners, but their coats of arms are unmistakably those of well-known Florentine families. . . Having understood who they are and the reason for their present condition, Dante cuts short his excursion and returns to find Virgil mounted on the back of Geryon. Dante joins his Master and they fly down from the great cliff. . . Their flight carries them from the Hell of the VIOLENT AND THE BESTIAL (The Sins of the Lion) into the Hell of the FRAUDULENT AND MALICIOUS (The Sins of the Leopard). –p. 133, The Divine Comedy (The Inferno, The Purgatorio, and The Paradiso) by Dante Alighieri and John Ciardi
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” Juvenal asks. “Who will watch the watchmen?” “We will!” the fiat MBA is taught to respond, as every crises they create is used as reason to expand their power, as the words of Thomas alva Edison—the hodler of 1,000 patents and founder of General Electric is exiled from the academy.
Tom Paine has almost no influence on present-day thinking in the United States because he is unknown to the average citizen. Perhaps I might say right here that this is a national loss and a deplorable lack of understanding concerning the man who first proposed and first wrote those impressive words, ‘the United States of America.’ But it is hardly strange. Paine’s teachings have been debarred from schools everywhere and his views of life misrepresented until his memory is hidden in shadows, or he is looked upon as of unsound mind. We never had a sounder intelligence in this Republic. He was the equal of Washington in making American liberty possible. Where Washington performed Paine devised and wrote. The deeds of one in the Weld were matched by the deeds of the other with his pen. Thomas Edison in The Philosophy Paine, 1925
People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about interest …But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan. — Thomas A. Edison
If we all did the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves. –Thomas Edison
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@ Puma & Biktopia, thanks for the info.
That’s an interesting phenomenon.
Wonder if there’s any of that going on in USA?
That music sounds so familiar, like I could just almost ID it …
@ Gorbachev, I appreciate your pushing the pessimists
(like Andrew S.) and the discouraged (like myself, indirectly) to persist with effort and optimism.
My brother likes to remind me that a high-ranking Army general had as a motto (among others) “Optimism is a force multiplier.”
Good luck on Saturday with PCG!
Looking forward to your Sunday report.
Yes, us Lazy Guys go for that vicarious thrill kinda thing.
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Gorbachev,
I have an AFC white-knighting buddy who really needs some game education. I mean he really needs a reprogramming. Where do I start? And specifically, what can I start him with that will get him small results quickly, so he won’t lose interest and keeping him motivated while he learns more? He has neither the time nor will to, say, read through Roissy’s blog and find something he can adapt to himself, so I need a quick starter.
Thanks in advance.
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Obviously I haven’t garnered the hate you have, but I’ve experienced these absurd characterizations as well.
Most of those that you list are veiled ad hominems, an type of invective all too common in the HBDosphere (i.e. you’re just mad b/c you got rejected from an Ivy.)
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A Kundera reference for your title. How 1980s. Well at least it’s age-appropriate.
[editor: i’m familiar with beethoven’s oeuvre as well. i guess by your logic that makes me 200 years old.]
Old Guy At The Club wrote:
[what the hell are you on about? oh wait, nevermind. you do realize you’re barking up the wrong tree. i’ll give you one guess as to how this could be so.]
… “Because, you know, alphas don’t have hobbies. *alpha eye roll*” …
“Hater: No one who writes the horrible things you do could possibly do well with women.
Back in Genghis Khan’s day, haters were known to remark “no one who crushes as many enemies as you do could possibly do well with women.” …
I have never heard the Genghis Khan bit. Citation?
[you’re really not funny, so don’t bother trying.]
Seriously, Roissy/Chateau: Alphas have hobbies involving other, live, attractive people.
[writing a blog and socializing with live attractive people are not mutually exclusive. but you knew that, right hitcoffee girl?]
You’re always telling most of your readers what ugly losers they are.
[i am? anoukange is attractive. PA sounds like a successful dude. doug1 has said he’s worth millions. david alexander is a loser but he’s not ugly. finefantastic is an adorable cutie. although i’ve never seen pupu she writes like a cute girl. (you, otoh…)]
A man who has the life you claim would have no motive to write this blog.
[describe my motive.]
And no time.
[i don’t watch more than an hour of tv per week, so i’ve plenty of time for ridiculous diversions like blogging.]
You claim to be successful and satisfied with life, yet you blog about issues only discussed by people who are unsatisfied about how things work.
[“only discussed”? just how sheltered a life do you lead? successful people bitch about everything under the sun. try getting out more. a babysitter might help with that shut-in problem.]
You’re clearly not altruistic. (*fraudspotter eye roll*)
[did you just catch a glimpse of your husband’s penis?]
So why?
[because it amuses me. duh.]
And what were you doing before this blog?
[wouldn’t you like to know.]
It’s hard to believe a man in his late 30s, four years ago,
[your numbers are off.]
suddenly burst onto the Internet out of nowhere to share his wisdom. What sparked this grand effort?
[please you flatter me. but i cannot take credit for any grand effort. few hours every weekend is all i spend knocking out a week’s worth of posts. oh, and there are… assistants.]
I think I know. See, your writing has changed since you started out. I remember a post you did at the beginning,
[stalker]
before you got so godawful obnoxious and mens-rights-y I stopped reading.
[my heart will go on.]
It was about you running heartbroken past your ex-girlfriend’s window, hoping she’d left the light on and you might see her in the window. Remember that post? It was so sad.
[if i remember that post correctly, the ex in question wasn’t mine, or even an ex at all, but a literary device to describe a mood. i throw narratively nimble curveballs like that sometimes on this blog. btw, it’s nice to see you remember my old writings so fondly and with such detail. almost as if you were in luuuuurv.]
You write like someone who got screwed, not someone who screws.
[why do you think screwing and getting screwed can’t coexist? any man who has a life full of women and love is lying if he says he has never been hurt. sacking up and putting yourself out there for love exposes you to the risk of losing love. it comes with the territory.]
You must have thought, “I’ll show her. I’ll show everyone!”
[remote psychological diagnosis #52 in the fembot manual. try being more up front with your hate. you’ll find it exhilarating. i know i do.]
Thus, Dr. Evil was born.
[does it bother you that i give you shit while other women who comment here earn my charming flirtations?]
My other theory is that you’re gay and you’re having all these MRA whiners for a ride. Straight guys just don’t do the *eye roll.*
[they do if it’s an alpha eye roll.
ps you’re flailing.]
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Roissy
I find these thumbs up and down icons distracting.. are there alternatives? It seems, at the least, they could be smaller and placed away from the username. A star system is easier to understand.
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Let the haters hate and watch the bitches pile up
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Also, it seems as if you were as active and anti-fatherhood as you purport, you’d get a vasectomy. It’s a simple procedure. Why don’t you?
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Bhetti is my favorite female commenter of all time.
I used to try to explain game to people, but so many hated, that it wasn’t worth it. Now the only people I explain it to are alpha’s who need coaching or people who are clearly ready for the magic of game.
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I had a vision of who you remind me of, GBFM: the unknown comic, lolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllz…
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Puma and Lazy Guy
Are you divorced dads?
Puma
Thanks for posting the Fathers 4 Justice video.
Lazy Guy
Yes, there are fathers’ rights and anti-misandry movements in the US, mostly internet-based. I haven’t seen Fathers 4 Justice type action. I like it!
StephenBaskerville.net Read his book “Taken Into Custody”
MensNewsDaily.com
MisandryReview.com
GlennSacks.com
NCFM.org National Coalition for Men
NoMarriage.com
FalseRapeSociety.Blogspot.com
ExposingFeminism.wordpress.com
On YouTube, watch a multi-part video lecture by Warren Farrell posted by “arguseyes”. (or read Farrell’s books)
Dads Against the Divorce Industry DADI.org
This report connects divorce with child custody. Women do not fear divorce because they do not fear losing their children.
http://www.dadi.org/nyt_brak.htm
James Q Wilson, “Why Men Don’t Marry”
http://city-journal.org/html/12_1_why_we.html
AngryHarry.com British. Watch his YouTube videos.
PelleBilling.com Swedish guy, site is in English
Let me know if you want more links.
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My brother likes to remind me that a high-ranking Army general had as a motto (among others) “Optimism is a force multiplier.”
Good answer to those who advise sucking it up and accepting your lot. Optimism is a force multiplier because inner game is where the real changes take hold.
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Bhetti is Arabian Royalty. She will one day marry the Dark Lord. Their hybrid offspring will bring new order to the World.
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“I don’t read this shit any more because I’ve learned what I need to know. But I also happen to be a natural alpha. ”
Natural alphas don’t need to “learn” this shit because they are…well…naturals. So I don’t get your point here. You seem to be saying “I needed less learning than the other guy.”
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Roissy, my Dark Lord and Master,
I was at the college tonight doing a little studying. I’m sitting at a table and there’s a chick across from me, also studying. After a little while goes by, we look up and start talking. She mentions in kind of an off-hand way something about her boyfriend. The conversation carries on and eventually we resume our studies. About two hours later we pause again for a little chat. This time she says something about “…if I were single again…” Conversation comes to an end and shortly before she leaves she mentions to the tutor she’ll be back next week. We say good-bye.
“if I were single again” keeps on playing over and over in my mind like a broken record. Was that a gina tingle I detected?
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^^^
“if I were single again” keeps on playing over and over in my mind like a broken record. Was that a gina tingle I detected?
yah but it seems you detected it in your own anus lzozlzlzllzlzlzlz!!
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@Badger Nation
I have an AFC white-knighting buddy who really needs some game education. I mean he really needs a reprogramming.
Okay, … it might be harder than you think. You need to convince him that what he’s doing now is a waste of time.
Summarize the main points of game: why women do what they do (never listen to what they say). Tell him that he needs to know why women do what they do. Give him a few tricks (subtle negs; confidence; don’t be creepy, ignore).
Tell him it’s often about doing nothing – but the right kind of nothing.
Big thing: TALK to women. Go where they are.
It took me a year after a non-acrimonious divorce before I had the courage to try. Who got me into it: a woman I had a fling with, the first post-divorce, who had met some PUA who explained it all to her. Then I read, had some moderate success, largely because I was into dancing. Then I went overseas. And that’s when crazy time started. I was brazen after that.
Where do I start? And specifically, what can I start him with that will get him small results quickly, so he won’t lose interest and keeping him motivated while he learns more? He has neither the time nor will to, say, read through Roissy’s blog and find something he can adapt to himself, so I need a quick starter.
Go over what he wears, stuff like hygiene, make sure he looks after himself. Check out his social skills.
Teach him to be a bit aloof. Be funny; try light sarcasm.
One thing that goes over amazingly well: BOLD. Just talk to women. Seem like you’re comfortable. Eventually, he will be.
Attitudes: There’s always another girl. Don’t One-Itis it. Really, this is a huge danger. Lose the Every Girl Is A Snowflake attitude.
They’re all different, but what YOU want from them is kinda the same. Their minor differences (as a gaming target) are largely irrelevant.
It sounds cold, but you need to cultivate this attitude and never let it go. It’s part of frame: you don’t need them. You’re a gift.
It gets harder the hotter the girl, because, well, you do want them and they just don’t necessarily want you.
Don’t talk about money. Stuff. Background. NEVER try to impress. Don’t say, “I have a few degrees.” Just talk about things. A funny story about X you did, where it gets casually mentioned if you think it’ll help. Never try to impress. Drop stuff as if it’s irrelevant; it’s only relevant to the story.
Impressing people that way always sounds needy.
Blah blah blah blah. Go to Assanova, and download his Guides to Game. I think they’re posted now. He puts them up every now and again.
You have to have him want to do something. If he doesn’t want to bother, there’s nothing you can do.
Maybe take him out. Bars are tough if you’re new. You always sink for a while. I was lucky because I had latin dancing and lots of other activities an the industry I work in. I make lots of contacts and there are endless social shindigs.
Be social. But tell him to stop treating women like Statues of Goodness. No pedestals. Take a good, long look.
Actually, when you see what they’re really like, he’ll like women more, because the shit they do will, while still fucking annoying, will be understandable and, well, he’ll be able to deal with it.
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lozzloozozzl this is what i see when i listen to chix these days lzozllzlzlzl
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/lozzloozozzl-this-is-what-i-see-when-i-listen-to-chix-these-days-lzozllzlzlzl/
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For any hata taking this literally, I have never claimed to be descended from royal blood.
You know I will have to disappoint you in your terrifying vision. Marriage to roissy? I’m not that masochistic, not even to try and save the world.
Sdaedalus:
Ah, Femsex. You know the story?
So there’s these examples:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/#comment-135945
Her response to the exchange above, which is more revealing:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/reader-mailbag-participant-responds/#comment-136189
She repeatedly said, to paraphrase, ‘There is no real alpha here but roissy’ (and some journalist.)
Now, notice the link to her page on ‘Outside Bloggers’: you know what she exchanged for it? A pic of her nude sent to The Dark Lord, which has been publicised by him. I can’t find that post again, not that I looked hard enough.
I admit her blog can be very enjoyable, these days!
Did roissy take up the offer or not? That is the question.
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12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate
Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.
Ding, ding, ding. You’ve found me out.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser. = LOSER
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder because he fucking wants to, and takes the female attention as icing on the cake = WIN
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.= LOSER
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band because he wants to be a rock n roll god, and takes the female attention as icing on the cake= WIN
You get the idea. What I hate about game is that it seems to take up entirely too much time and energy. Maybe it’s because I’m a bit older now, and divorced, but I really don’t give a flying fuck what they think about me anymore. If a female wants to spend time with me, and I don’t find her annoying, then great, but I just can’t muster up enough interest to care. That’s why I hate game. If you guys enjoy this hobby then more power to you, and no hard feelings, but it just isn’t for me.
[editor: you seem to be forgetting the Darwinian purpose which informs our actions. a man who gets promoted to EVP in his corporate world is going to feel really good, but the underlying mechanism is a genetic algorithm that compels him to seek those good feelings from increases in status because it will mean more mating opportunities with higher quality women. and don’t underestimate just how aware of this reality most men are.]
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unrelated, but here are the 2010 Louis Vuitton models, with no makeup. Ug.
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Why the fuck does greatbooksformen take the time to post if he just writes like a fucking schizophrenic jackass? Write normal you dumbass. Lollzz this lolozzz that. Fucking idiot.
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@Badger Nation…
These types of explanations helped me as “Primer” for game…
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Hate seems to come out strongest from women when you tell ugly truths that they can’t accept without also accepting that they are far less desirable than they believe.
From men, hate comes strong when you talk about self-improvement. People hate to see others better themselves.
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@Badger Nation
I have an AFC white-knighting buddy who really needs some game education. I mean he really needs a reprogramming.
Give him this. Print it out for him. Tell him it’s from some crazy dude on the Internet. It’s as close to a personal outreach as I get. It’s all emo, but it says some things that PUAs never say but are key to understanding what Game can do to make us better human beings.
Getting laid is its own motivation. All guys get that.
Learning Game gets you laid. One motivation clarified.
But there’s more to it. That’s what this is about. Game can be life-changing. Life-making. Lots of guys will tell you versions of this.
* For All Beta Guys Out there
I don’t know how Roissy or Assanova feel about betas et al. They might be all public because they’re into themselves, Game, reportage, whatever – who cares. Who knows what their motivation is. That’s their business. Whatever: Roissy is gold for Betas, and average guys who don’t appreciate this or other forums are the losers.
I have a huge soft spot for Betas and White Knights trying to get game. I was there. My life was ruined piece by piece over and over again, like every guy. Tiny pieces of internal agony.
Game isn’t just gold for getting laid. It’s life-changing.
* Women
Half of our lives are spent, defined by, and bounded by our relations with women. One way or another, we seek them out.
Interacting with women forms part of our identity, much of our social interaction, and is part of our social status. There’s sexual tension. There’s social interaction. Friendship. We want sex. We want to breed. We need emotional support, connections with other humans. Families. Lovers.
Above all else, at the end of the day, we need emotional, physical and personal intimacy. We seek it from the opposite sex. Without it, we’re not fully social humans.
In our cold and lonely human existence, locked inside our own isolated existence, the deepest reason we reach out isn’t just for orgasms. At the end of the day, curled up with your woman, there’s (often) much more. We become more. We are larger, bigger, better when we truly connect with someone. It’s the greatest beauty of being with women. it doesn’t happen all the time. But it can.
The points in between are valuable, too.
We all need companionship. And we want it with women.
Believe it or not, women want it from us.
* Without Women
Men without intimate are usually less successful; less driven; less active; lost. They become bitter. As they age, they grow listless. They may lash out. They have little motivation in life. It’s as if one end of their rope isn’t fastened to anything, flailing in the wind, directionless.
You can become bitter. Angry. Dismissive. You lock away part of yourself. You make excuses: Women are shit. Women are whorish sluts not worth the time. They’re just extra. You don’t need them. Your wife screwed you, all women are cunts, use them and trash them. Bitches.
The truth is, all of this bile – every word – is nothing but sad resignation, fear of rejection, or rationalization for failure. Any tough guy who looks at himself will see it: A spark of loneliness in his core, an emptiness, that nothing seems to be able to fill. Distractions, drugs, games, beer, money, work, none of it fills that empty space. Power just makes you a dangerous bitter bastard.
Any man who fails to admit this does not know himself, and can’t fundamentally be happy. And the only real victim of this is –
Him.
* The Facts
How we relate to women is a program dialed into the most basic segments of our hindbrain, linked to the most basic responses and emotions. There’s no escaping it. We are animals and we need to understand how we work.
If you don’t, it all seems mysterious and hard to navigate. We lose, and don’t know why; we win, and mistake the reasons. We struggle. We suffer. We’re ignorant.
We don’t know ourselves.
It may seem harsh and cold and manipulative, but when you “neg”, act indifferent, aloof, or whatever – believe it or not, it’s a means of loving your woman. Whether she realizes it or not, you’re playing into her program. She wants to like you. She wants you to excite her. But she just doesn’t understand how you should do it. You need to learn how.
Doing this is the greatest possible gift you can give her: Giving her yourself. Being a Man for her.
* How It Affects You
* Before Marriage
I had an active but frustration-filled pre-marriage life with dating and girls and relationships. I was classic white-knight, supplicating, open. I was known for being the a superb Nice Guy. Genuine. A little wacky; very social; talkative.
But in the sense that I was dating successfully, I was happy enough. A string of STRs and LTRs; maybe 1-2 ONSs, I wasn’t really into them as a rule. I wanted to relate to women on a personal level. Some of my GFs were pretty attractive. Most were very interesting. I remember happy and sad moments, moments that make me smile.
I wanted to relate to them as people, like most men.
But there were strange problems. Ups and downs; trouble relating; waning and waxing of attraction. It seemed unpredictable, capricious, hard to understand.
* Happy Day: Marriage
When I got married, I was madly in love with my wife. I had never met a woman like her. It was mutual and deep. There was nothing we wanted more than to spend our entire lives together. We were appropriate: we matched money/goals/attractiveness /age/lifestyle. And it felt great to be with her.
Life was good, at first. But then I noticed changes. The more I helped, the more I tried, the worse our relationship became. She grew frustrated at small things. Our wonderful love life grew colder. By the passage of 4 years, it was a car that needed repair. But there was no fixing it.
But watching her contempt for me grow with everything I did, I was confused. Counseling turned out to be my enemy. The more I wanted to save it, the more I listened to the Marriage Sages, the worse it got.
I thought: I am a failure. They’re right.
* Aftermath
For six months after it ended, like many people after the death of so much of their identity and the crashing of their dreams, and not insignificantly the loss of my lover and friend, I lived in a world of blackness and morbid decay.
It’s hard not to be bitter, angry at the deceptive nature of it all, wondering why, if you did everything right, it all fell apart.
What it’s like: Listen to the song “Arms of the Angel”, by Sarah Mclachlan. You just want to lie down.
* Waking up
I learned about game from a great woman, maybe one of the most generous I’ve ever met. In a short span, she breathed life back into me. She taught me that not all was as I thought. I started to learn Game.
I learned that I could relate to women. On my terms.
No more guessing; no more placating. What astounded me was that they liked it much more.
Like a kid with his dad’s car keys, I went a little crazy. It all gets muddled up in there. You do things for the wrong reasons, notch yourself up, rejoice in it, revel in it like a drunken sailor. It’s like learning some sort of mysterious low-level superpower. Like opening the curtains.
You get tired of the insanity, though, so you slow down, and start to realize, … you know, this isn’t just cheap and stupid. You can do anything with it. It’s a tool.
So you start to relate to women as people. Not as angels. Not as gifts. But as people.
* Not a Player?
I know guys with great game who have a different woman all the time. I knew a guy in Asia who made it a kind of blood sport. I know another one who met a great woman, and is as devoted as any non-Game conscious guy. But I’d like to point out that she’s more madly in love with him after 3 years as she was when they started. I know a man who keeps 3 GFs, lies to them all. I know one who never gets into LTRs. One who is serially monogamous, sort-of.
You can be Roissy. Or you can be someone else. It’s your choice.
* Ethics Free
Game is a tool. You can use it as you see fit.
Sleep around. Better your marriage. Find a wife. Forge a family. Be a total fucking asshole and sleep with every married woman you can find just to fuck men over. Get revenge on every woman for what some cunt bitch did to you.
Whatever.
But let’s appeal to your better side today.
Imagine being able to relate to a woman on a very intimate level. Imagine being comfortable. Imagine being close, beyond conventions or preconceptions. Imagine being able to be with her as purely as possible: as two humans bound by shared experience and life.
Game helps you do this, too.
* Examples of Game in Action
Most people think game is about the “Dark Side”. But there’s more to it.
“Darkness”
Game can help you seduce a man’s wife. It can help you run through a sordid list of one night stands with skanks. It can help you acquire a handful of girlfriends and play with them like toys. You can ditch women, fuck them in anger and treat them like objects of scorn, use them for your personal pleasure, extort money from them if you’re a keen bastard.
You can be a mediocre bad guy. Maybe you just fool around, for no apparent reason. Maybe you just want sex with hot girls. Maybe you just want sex. Maybe women are irrelevant to you, except as objects.
I don’t need to talk about this. It’s obvious and people do it all the time. Game can help you do this. Sure.
“Light”
Game can help and do many things. When seen from a position of wholeness, game acts as a way to make you and the people around you better people and to make your life richer and more complete.
Are the motivations good? Bad? Does Game make it good or bad? No: You do.
One: Define this
A tawdry relationship, in the eyes of many. She’s not a GF. She never will be. Just not possible.
And yet, imagine, when game strips away the delusions that men and woman have, that you’re closer than you’d ever imagined you could be to another person. Real personal honesty increased exponentially.
If she a FWB? A failed LTR? A female friend who happens to touch you? Is it just or even about sex? Is it moral? Immoral?
Maybe it’s all of these. But maybe, without delusions, it’s just two people able to be truly honest with each other. Companions in a cold world. Sex is fun and draws you close. Trust can be based on deep foundations.
What seems tawdry can easily be more meaningful than some peoples’ marriages.
Two: Affair
Sultry woman, a little lost. You, a little lost. Horny. Empty. Scared. Confused. Companionship? She wants to feel like a woman, locked in a man’s arms. You love the feeling of her in yours. Sex brings you together. It’s just sex. Right?
For moments, brief moments, you find solace in shared experiences and laughter and a day at the beach. Maybe a weekend. A brilliant conversation you remember for years. A soul you felt for a moment. Smiles. The taste of another person’s mind. The scent of their existence. Wasn’t it sex? Wait.
Empty? Distraction? What do you remember?
Three: A Night
Club. Girl. Eyes. Approach. Chat. Touch. Tingle. Excitement. Guessing. Push, pull, chase, retreat, back and forth. Meet. Eyes lock. Exchange: electricity. Life coursing through you, blood pulsing in veins. Force of life.
Mad lovemaking, a stranger, the raw forceful power of Female, Feminine, drowning in it. Sheets; noise; sweat; laughter; wild abandon; awkward nakedness, joyful nakedness. Exquisite release. Exhausting hours. Quiet wonder. Lingering, wondering, passing of moments, useless words.
No questions.
Waste of time? Immoral? Moral? Pointless?
Is feeling the force of life within you pointless?
Four: Doctor prescribes a LTR
Beginning: Meet, talk, smile, attraction. Knowing each other.
Middle: Self-examination. Sharing. Memories: Dancing, outings, conversations, dinners, debates, arguments.
Ending: Sadness at passing, bittersweet reminiscences. Hopeful smiles. Excruciating loss. Memories of hand on yours.
Memories linger. Emotion inscribed on your soul’s mirror.
* Change
Who knows what you can do. Maybe it won’t sink in, maybe your situation is imperfect, maybe you need more serious help. Maybe. Who knows if you’ll find what you’re looking for.
But you can’t find it by sitting in your basement.
Learn about Game.
Learn the truth.
Lose the illusions.
Wake up.
Above all else: Give yourself the power of choice.
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“A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder because he fucking wants to, and takes the female attention as icing on the cake = WIN”
And what kind of guy “wants to” climb a corporate ladder, as an end in itself?
“A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band because he wants to be a rock n roll god, and takes the female attention as icing on the cake= WIN”
And what kind of guy wants to be a “rock-n-roll God”?
Get to the core motivations, don’t B.S.
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OneSTDV, I wouldn’t call myself one of your haters, but I do think your experiences have shaped your worldview. This is the case with most human beings. Attempting to make it seem as though you’re an exception is a childish reaction to an accusation that is true for everyone, and shouldn’t be perceived as an attack.
It’s like when people tell me repeatedly that I’m fat and ugly. This is nothing new to me, and I’m certainly not the only fat and/or ugly person in the world. If it is a crime, it’s a minor one compared to railing against reality, which is what some of both our haters do.
While I’m talking to you though, I want you to know that I don’t have a problem with HBD at all. Well, no problem with an updated version of it anyway. Exploring it has explained a lot that I didn’t understand about my family and upbringing. I just wish that proponents of it could see to a little less generalization based on outdated racial classifications.
In my opinion, any generalization in that way is misguided, when you’re talking about biology rather than social issues. It would be nice to see HBD’ists with a higher level of awareness than HSD’ists.
…but I suppose that awareness requires an innate ability that most humans don’t have regardless of their worldview.
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I like the title of this post.
For those who haven’t read “The Unbearable Lightness of Being” it is about how, in an atmosphere of so many friendly women who want to date a man, he could not be faithful to the young woman whom he’d gamed for an STR but who had fallen in love with him and wanted to stick to him like glue.
Or could he…
If you haven’t read this, go get it now and read it all night.
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wait wait wait, I just noticed something.
why the fuck do you link to xkcd?! jesus christ, it might as well be called Aspergers Illustrated.
[editor: haha yeah true. it’s occasionally funny.]
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Exclusive Interview with Sandra Bullocks’ Baby Louis
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You forgot:
47. Game is a delusion whereby a man attributes success to his efforts and “skills” instead of giving credit to blessings beyond his control, such as beauty, intelligence, height, whatever.
People do this all the time. Every man wants to think he creates success through his own efforts, and every man wants to attribute his failures to someone or something else. Basic Psych 101.
Rarely in life do I see a very ugly man with a very attractive woman. Wonder what that’s about, duuuh?
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Hey, GBFM, here’s one for you –
A chick sings about being cheated on by a dude, and drip-drop-drip-drop goes… well… you take it from here.
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Prawnster, first one must define “ugly” for men.
It’s pretty difficult in the absence of uncommon defects.
People tend to date people who look similar to people in their families. So objectively beautiful people tend to go for people with similar traits just as less beautiful people go for people with similar traits to themselves…for long term relationships anyway.
Even when people cross ethnicities, they still tend to look for similar features.
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“Game is a delusion whereby a man attributes success to his efforts and “skills” instead of giving credit to blessings beyond his control, such as beauty, intelligence, height, whatever.”
So, did Gorbachev e.g. get taller, smarter and prettier to succeed with women? Intelligence is difficult to disentangle from “Game”, as it plainly takes intelligence to learn.
Why are you game denialists so freakin’ obtuse? (Don’t answer, that’s a rhetorical question.) A guy without game can be smart, good looking and tall and still not get very far with women. I’ve known countless examples.
The girl sees them, goes “wow, he’s hot, tall, I want him.” And then he has no skills to game her. Nothing to do with intelligence either as these guys are college graduates in technical professions.
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Ok, another type of “hating”: I’m not going to argue over whether your brand of game works; I’ve seen it work on friends, at least temporarily.
Does it bother you, though, that the conduct you espouse in posts like http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/dread/ will often ensure that a woman may do exactly what you want at the cost of her own happiness, self esteem and mental stability, that she will be faithful and keep herself up to your standards of attractiveness because you’ve put her in a frame of mind where she’s sure that she’ll be dumped and emotionally hurt if she doesn’t? I’ve had friends who were treated like this by their boyfriends. They were angry over it, they were miserable over it, and some stayed because they were so insecure that they felt they deserved to be consistently ignored and belittled – often because their boyfriends up til then had only ever acted in this way. Others recognised that they were being hurt, and eventually dumped the men they were with because the heady high of being approved of by someone who was so ‘hard to please’ was eventually outweighed by their desire to be with someone who didn’t deliberately cause them pain. Why is it ok to advocate hurting someone else so that you can be happier?
“By healthy, I mean the girl is in love with you and there is no threat of her leaving; you have all the leverage you need to assure yourself peace of mind and a steady sexual outlet.”
Your definition of healthy treats a relationship as an organism, instead of something that must be emotionally healthy for both people – it’s healthy if there’s no risk of it ending, and it’s healthy if it takes the shape you want it to take, where the woman does what you want. Why is your definition of a relationship not “two people who, together, strive make each other happy (however they want to be made happy, not how you say they all secretly want to be happy even when they explicitly tell you otherwise), care about each other’s physical and emotional wellbeing, and also often want to fuck each other senseless”? Do you genuinely believe that someone who is considerate and kind in a LTR can’t also be perceived by their girlfriend as goddamn sexy and amazing?
Not to get all personal anecdotey on you, but my boyfriend is clever, emotionally and physically very strong, very handsome by my personal reckoning, and knows how to do verbal banter that’s engaging and witty, and is into lots of the same things I’m into, and also dear god he’s great in bed (because we actually listen to each other about what we want, yknow, instead of him assuming I want to be “play raped” or dominated) – and he’s ALSO kind, and respectful, and genuine, and doesn’t try to make me feel insecure to keep me around. That’s why I love him; that’s why he’s worth dating, a close friend and loving boyfriend, as well as the provider of what you call the elusive “gina tingle”. I’ve been briefly involved with men who had many of those attributes, but without the kindness, without the desire to ensure that they don’t hurt others. I didn’t pursue those relationships, and gradually grew disgusted with those men, because the conscious desire to hurt someone else in order to make them subservient to your desires is … well, foul.
[editor: think carefully about what you’re saying. if the behavior was truly hurtful the girl wouldn’t submit herself to my desires. or if she would, then that tells you that girls are attracted to being hurt. they *desire* it. and i’m the kind of guy who loves to give women what they desire. i’m a giver, baby!]
Kindness is not beta – it’s essential to maintaining a relationship where both people are happy, rather than one being happy and the other staying out of fear and self-loathing. If you want to talk about evo psych, if you want to argue that ‘alpha’ leaders of humans are sexy, how do you account for the fact that some of the most revered leaders, the people who people were most loyal to, are famous for their kindness and respect for humans in general? Dictators control through fearmongering, violence and brainwashing, which does lead to a kind of manufactured fidelity; people like Roosevelt and Churchill, though, led through strength, fortitude and strategic nouse coupled with a desire to help humans be happier and rid them of suffering. The legacy of kind leaders is much more positive than that of controlling dictators, and you needn’t be ‘weak’ to be the former. If you’re so concerned with being ‘alpha’, why take on the attributes of the bully rather than the attributes of people respected because of their achievements and their solid commitment to kindness? Why not become a protector or defender or supporter instead of an antagonist, so we can actually like and respect you as well as being turned on by you? Women are, yknow, people – we like *goodness* just as much as men.
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(Apologies for an accidental double post.)
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In the comments to the deleted post (Sexual Experience is Overrated), I had written an account of the difference between gaming 8s compared with gaming 10s. I will write a different essay on this now:
Definition:
10 = 1 in 10,000 women
9 = 1 in 1000 women
8 = 1 in 100 women
7 = 1 in 10 women
6 = slightly above average
5 = average looking
4 = slightly below average
3 = the mother of a 10 (the descent is cruel) ;-(
In short, I noted that 8s will be excited to know me and offer me their phone numbers before I ask. I said most young men make the mistake of going for the women at this level of easy engagement and being grateful, leaving the 9s and 10s alone. Counter-intuitively, a smart man over 45 will no longer consider 7s and is wary of dating just 8s even if they are 27 years younger than he is. There isn’t time to *practice* anymore. It is now or never in terms of playing in the Big Leagues.
10s will act like I don’t exist. This is the kind of woman you see once per day in a mid-sized city. The young man might see such a woman and think “I will save going for that kind until I get rich”. Older men can’t rationalize their fear and postpone like that anymore.
I will go out of my way to ask directions from one of them and try to sustain a conversation. But it is brutal. The initial vibes are negative (the woman is fearful) or overly neutral. Sometimes I give up…but I tend to give up with 9s, not 10s. 10s are worth humiliating oneself for. With a 10 I will beg “please don’t go just yet”. A 10 can be a bitch and I’d still ruin my chances with all the 9s around us in order to date her/sleep with her. This “10s only” attitude pays off ultimately, despite the blowouts.
If a 10 blows you off definitively, get right back on your horse and scan 10,000 women and go for another. Don’t downgrade just because the other blew you off. Downgrade only if you aren’t confident enough.
A 10 is someone you would ignore your other female friends, including any steady girlfriend, for. Your DNA takes control of your brain as you get older and doesn’t tolerate any rationalizing or time-wasting. A 10 is someone you subconsciously wouldn’t mind getting pregnant. We’re talking, after all, about that one woman in 10,000.
A 10 is someone so gorgeous that, at this point in my life where it is now or never to get them (10s never work as prostitutes), a woman would have to very specifically tell me to get lost before I stop going for the close after meeting her on the street or a disco (I’ve never hovered because a 10 wouldn’t get the option of simply turning her back where I will walk away from a 9 in a heartbeat).
This is where game, to me, begins…or where natural game ends and you enter the sudden-death playoffs where you get a really uncomfortable release of adrenaline and the intestines feel like they are turning inside out.
Gaming a 10 is different from gaming a 9. A 10 is almost never interested upfront.
With 10s I have to get across the message “why do the most physically beautiful women around here not able to have a good conversation with me when others are so friendly?” or even “why aren’t you interested, it doesn’t make sense?” It isn’t easy to do this successfully but I’ve found that it actually doesn’t come across as beta if done right. If done right, it comes across as cock-sure.
It has to come across as “there must be something wrong with the women here”.
In any case, the boredom that a 10 shows forces me to have to respond directly to that. A 10 will have the attitude “and what do you want from me”. I could only wish they behaved like the 8s do.
The way I handle the bored countenance is: I hit them with the neg that “people in more sophisticated places are lively in conversation but people here are intellectual duds”. Once the neg has sunk in, I can then get across the message “but I expect to meet and maybe marry someone tall and beautiful like you are”.
This establishes that you don’t think they are out of your league…a critical step…and the neg often makes them work to show they are sophisticated enough mentally to match the appearance.
Just a few minutes ago, after negging what seemed to be a wildly bored (with me) 10 – whom I’d spotted with her mother at 200 yards and asked directions of – as probably being part of a hillbilly culture with no knowledge of the outside world, she suddenly tried to show me that she likes “Sex in the City” and started to act lively before giving me her number and agreeing to go to beach tomorrow (I better work out tonight because there is a 25 year age difference).
I used to think Roissy was wrong about negging.
He couldn’t have been more right.
I’ve only recently gone on an “Only 10s Campaign” and I have found the above strategy of directly asking them a paraphrased form of “why aren’t you sophisticated and lively” works half the time on the kind of women who I won’t give up on (I define 9s as women I’m willing to give up on).
Right now I have the worst scheduling problem I have had in my life.
Please do more posts and comments on scheduling problems and what to do on a beach date with someone whose looks are out of your league.
Also, I would like some more 10-specific advice. Especially on how to control the butterflies that define the difference between being in front of a 9 and standing before a physical goddess.
I want to be as calm as possible at the beach tomorrow because I might have a heart attack seeing this one in a bathing suit.
*Post Script: It really pays off to be up on the news, including the latest movies and celebrity news. Knowing interesting details of Sex and the City and Twilight goes a long way with a lot of young women.
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Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Stop all the hate and learn to appreciate.
If y0u d0n’t kn0w m3 th3n d0n’t …)(judg3 m3)(… n0b0dy s4id y0u h4d t00 …)(l0v3 m3)(…
i understand girls talk behind my back..but the thing is, im real and thats something they lack.
ThiS giRl hEre Is oNe oF a kInd
Do i CarE whAt yOu tHinK?
-heLL naW-
juSt kEep ThaT in MinD
u say u not a hoe
…aiight, no doubt…
next time ya say that
be sure to wipe ya mouth
you think im a b|tch cuz of what i say
im jus being real in everyway
i say what i wanna say
and i mean what i say
No one said you had to like me
Tryin’ to joqq my shyt?
nahh
didn’t think so
‘Cuz no matter what you copy,
you’re still just a silly hoe.
To all da haters:You think youre hot,but you know the deal…well its me and you know who be keeping it real!!
I gOt aLL tHoSe B1TcHes
sHaKiNg iN fEaR
qUiCk tOTaLk Sh1T
YeT ScArEd tO cOmE nEar
i KnEw ALoT mORE tHaN u ThOuGHt i DiD
FoUnD OuT ALoTtA ThiNgZ u THoUGhT u HiD
The More frirnds You Got
The more Problems You See
Cuz Everyone Thats A Part Of your Life
talks shyt when you can`t see
iF u GoT sUmThIn tO sAy To Me SaY iT StRaiGhT
*CaUsE bEiN aLL sHaDy iS OnE tHiNg i HaTe*
! Look At Me and lOoK at u.!
Now tElL me hunny…
WhO’s JeAlOuS oF wHo?
Fukin..b1tch..Ho..oOo No!
DoNt DrOp Da NaMeS CuZ YoU JoK dA fLoW
TaLkIn BeHiNd My BaK LiKe ‘i DoNt No’
EvRyTiMe i CoMe ThRu ItS LiKe
oOh ShYt C33’z HeRe Yo!
U SwEaR U KnOw Me
CuZ Ya HeArD My NaMe
BuT iF Ya EvA rEaLLy MeT Me
YuD KnOw Da GaMe
dRaMa NeVa EnDs And HaTaS ArE aLL tHa SaMe
tHeY sMiLe To Ya FacE aNd sPiT oN yA NaMe
*wHiLe aLl yA’lL tAlK bOuT mE…*
*I SiT bAcK aNd tHiNk…*
*dAmN I gOt mYsElF a fAn cLuB!*
BytChz dUnT hAtE Me CuZ U aInT Me3h…
*[{ JeL0uSziEe }] *
wUt i LiVe OfF oF..
sexy little shorty… 100 percent.
tryin’ to kill my rep ??
nah, you won’t make a dent.
ByTcHeZ tHrOwIn ShYt On My NaME.. DaTs A sHaME..
It AiNt Muh FaUlT iM
da HoTtEsT bYtcH iN dA gAmE
SpEaK wELL oF uR eNeMiEz
..YoU wErE tHe OnE wHo MaDe ThEm..
-Ta aLL yOu HaTaZ-
-Do WhAt yOu Do-
-..i AiNt GoNnA wAsTe –
-mY tImE oN yOu..-
Hating on a certain name
Only gives them the fame.
i drOp shyt.. h0es pOp it.. dem birdiez fOll0w it… gOt my name in yO mOuth? b1tch swallOw it
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how ya guys loikey my new gravatar?
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nicole: So you go for fucking ugly obese men to match yourself? Ok, got it.
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Tim,
Yes.
Be back next week, she was aware that that comment to the tutor would be overheard by you.
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Nicole is pro-male and writes well here even if she might say something that gets misunderstood or otherwise ticks a guy off. No need for friendly fire. I don’t have time to read whatever someone is arguing about with her but let’s keep it on topic and non-personal.
Similarly, in the deleted “Sexual Experience is Overrated” post, there were several flame wars in the comments (I happened to still have the entire post in cache) where I noticed the participants were all good regular commenters like Tyrone and Gorbachev. Friendly fire looks bad to the outer community that needs to adopt more of the theme of this blog as the way things really are.
I disagreed once with Gorbachev when he made the shocking statement that (he felt) superior males choose west European women over east European women…but that didn’t result in a flame war.
Save the intellectual flames for the real haters of men.
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Great post.
Though I don´t like that this Hater meme seems to again hollow out another word, just like “awesome” lost all it´s original meaning.
Just because someone is expressing anger or criticism doesn´t mean there is some pathological actual hate at the bottom of it.
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“Game is real and it works – even at a basic level of stimulating interest vs catering to her whims – in every relationship.”
True. Game is also the antidote to feminism. Ironically, game needs feminism to work and I fear that feminism is a declining force.
But feminism is still being pumped to nice, innocent girls in high school and college so we might as well take advantage of the fact that it drives women …. uh…excuse me… womyn … to easy and perverted sex.
And Sex & the City II is coming out so the females will be especially horny and perverted over the next few months.
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@Skadi,
They were angry over it, they were miserable over it, and some stayed because they were so insecure that they felt they deserved…being approved of by someone who was so ‘hard to please’ was eventually outweighed by their desire to be with someone who didn’t deliberately cause them pain. Why is it ok to advocate hurting someone else so that you can be happier?
Because this is what turns women on sexually. We want to turn them on sexually, to get them to want us. Not like us as human beings, though this is also nice.
I want women to want to fuck my brains out.
What you describe is the direct highway to LJBF: Let’s Just Be Friends. I spent enough purgatory there. Not another minute, thanks.
Why is your definition of a relationship not “two people who, together, strive make each other happy (however they want to be made happy, not how you say they all secretly want to be happy even when they explicitly tell you otherwise), care about each other’s physical and emotional wellbeing, and also often want to fuck each other senseless”?
Properly, thoroughly and consistently gaming a girl and being a Man does this job nicely. Being nice to her, always being respectful and bowing to her simple wishes does not: She does not want that from a man she *wants to fuck*.
I don’t want a friend who just has conversations with me. I want a woman who wants to fuck me and can’t resist it.
Do you genuinely believe that someone who is considerate and kind in a LTR can’t also be perceived by their girlfriend as goddamn sexy and amazing?
Sure, he can be considerate and kind. And you start being kind by gaming the shit out of her.
Married woman I had affair with for 6 months: I explained game to her after 3 months, thoroughly. She was shocked. I gave her reading material. She loved it, and kept fucking me until I could barely walk.
2 years on, I find out she loaded her husband down with Improve Yourself Or I’m Gone, and now she’s hot for him. He games her all the time. How’s that for a smart, brave chick? Gets to keep her man, too.
Not to get all personal anecdotey on you, but my boyfriend is clever, emotionally and physically very strong, very handsome by my personal reckoning, and knows how to do verbal banter that’s engaging and witty, and is into lots of the same things I’m into, and also dear god he’s great in bed (because we actually listen to each other about what we want, yknow, instead of him assuming I want to be “play raped” or dominated)
Never said you should just throw a girl down and plow her. Not all the time. That’s just a style thing.
– and he’s ALSO kind, and respectful, and genuine, and doesn’t try to make me feel insecure to keep me around.
Give it 3 more years. Wait for the tingles to slow down.
That’s why I love him; that’s why he’s worth dating, a close friend and loving boyfriend, as well as the provider of what you call the elusive “gina tingle”.
Other stuff stays. Gina’s gonna wear off.
I’ve been briefly involved with men who had many of those attributes, but without the kindness, without the desire to ensure that they don’t hurt others. I didn’t pursue those relationships, and gradually grew disgusted with those men, because the conscious desire to hurt someone else in order to make them subservient to your desires is … well, foul.
But the ability to do it can mean make or break it for a relationship.
I feel sorry for you.
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We, lovers and haters, should never part.
Love,
Pupu
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Here’s the deal with Game as far as I am concerned.
It may NOT be the Grand Unified Theory of Poon.
It may have major or minor flaws in its logic.
Hey, it may be ALL wrong.
I always try to remain open to alternative theories and ideas so I don’t end up being like the freakin’ Gaia worshiping smacktards who think the planet’s going to melt in 20 years or less despite all contrary evidence or logic.
So, I remain open to competing theories that explain things more coherently.
HOWEVER, all I know is when I stumbled onto the idea of Game through the Futurist and then Roissy, a WHOLE LOT of shit suddenly fell into place.
Years of what I thought was completely illogical, contradictory or just plain stupid behavior on the part of women I had observed and experienced suddenly made sense, as twisted as it was.
Pieces of a fucking puzzle I had long ago put away figuring it was impossible to solve suddenly fell into place.
E-PIF-FANNY!
What I notice most about the people who come here killing the messenger is that they have not bothered to understand the theory in total. They pick at certain areas asking questions which ARE answered in they had read more extensively on it.
For some it may be laziness, but for some I think it is intentional. They don’t want risk having to understand the theory because they might then have to agree with it, or at LEAST admit its got some merit.
I’m not speaking as an Alpha, either. By now the best I might be able to claim is greater Beta, and that is both with the benefit of reading up on Game and probably being overly generous. I am married with kids, and by at least implementing a new attitude I have seen a marked change in my home life.
So, mock Game all you want, but until you come up with better theories to explain female behavior, its all noise.
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Darn. There goes my apocalyptic vision.
@Bhetti – Thanks for setting me straight!
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“Women are, yknow, people – we like *goodness* just as much as men.”
total trash. women may appreciate extremely tiny, short bursts of ‘kindness’ from alphas who give them tingles (in fact this is part of the “hot-cold” game tenet) but they have no loyalty to kindness or whatever at all. in fact kindness isn’t just beta, it’s one of the leading ways to ::make:: yourself beta despite being alpha to start with. as i believe roissy has said before, always err on the side of assholedom. if you have a choice, take the cruel, capricious, smirking route. the absolute hard fact is that you’ll get laid and you’ll get love from women more, in hard numbers, by being a prick than by supplicating to her being. the rest is window dressing.
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You mock the term ‘misogyny’ but the stench of sexism and misogyny rises from this blog like the smell of decay from a La. swamp! You’re in full panic mode! White males seeing their privileges disappear before their very eyes,seeing their women rise up to create new ways of living,new ways of relating,new families–better ways,free of the hatreds of the past! Ha! good luck with your aptly named Game! The world is pasing u by!
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A man with a great job and no game- will lose his assets and half his paycheck in the divorce. What good was his great job then?
Men need to learn game.
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@Drake
You mock the term ‘misogyny’ but the stench of sexism and misogyny rises from this blog like the smell of decay from a La. swamp!
The putrid, choking, suffocating fumes of Misandry permeate the land. You can barely see without getting some altitude.
We’re all habituated to the foul gas. We can barely smell it as it throttles the life from us.
You’re in full panic mode! White males seeing their privileges disappear before their very eyes,seeing their women rise up to create new ways of living,new ways of relating,new families–better ways,free of the hatreds of the past! Ha! good luck with your aptly named Game! The world is pasing u by!
Lady, if your feminism drains the land of life, more’s the better for Game. It means an endless train of poon. Feminism: our Grand Generator. We love feminism.
women rise up to create new ways of living,new ways of relating,new families–better ways,free of the hatreds of the past!
Um, just so long as you don’t need any actual men in your New Families. .Ah, the tragedy of the wilfully blind.
You mistake us, ma’am. Anyone with game treats feminism as it is: A Gift.
It’s the social Suicide Pill that lathers up the young ladies with images of their own sexual freedom, freedom to explore their sexuality without let or hindrance, without guilt or shame, without limitation. With any man they want (result: any Alpha they want).
I guess we’ll all be squatting in the ruins together.
(Alternare grim view: squatting with a bunch of bitter Feminist cougars wondering where it all went wrong).
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@Discord: If you’re aiming for orgasm, the odds are against you in the first place. 10% of women will likely never have one, approximately 50-60% will require clitoral stimulation in order to reach it, and approximately 20-30% can achieve it with thrusting alone. It usually takes at least 20 minutes to get there.
It sounds as if you got this from a book. I guess you are a man, in which case you need to go out and get some real life experience with real women.
Cuming is different every time you have sex. No one cums the same way twice.
So, as a guy you’ll know that if you’re really, really turned a couple of thrusts and you’ll shoot your load. The same applies for women. If a woman is really turned on by your conversation, flirting etc (i.e. your game), she may well cum as soon as you enter her. Other times you might for an hour without either of you reaching orgasm. What you call ‘clitoral stimulation’ obviously has an effect in the same way if she gives you head until just before the point of you shooting your load, will also have an effect for how long you can pump her.
If she cums before you, she might be exhausted and lie there like a rag doll as you finish off, which is actually not as fun, as if you cum first.
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[editor: you seem to be forgetting the Darwinian purpose which informs our actions. a man who gets promoted to EVP in his corporate world is going to feel really good, but the underlying mechanism is a genetic algorithm that compels him to seek those good feelings from increases in status because it will mean more mating opportunities with higher quality women. and don’t underestimate just how aware of this reality most men are.]
I agree with you that the animal brain is very powerful, and exerts great influence, especially in base impulses like attraction, and as society loosens is traditional bindings those impulses only become more powerful. I am in no way denying the effectiveness of what you advocate. I’m just not going to put what pleases the opposite sex, whether they like it or not, ahead of what pleases me.
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Let me put it this way. If women were truthful and truly did want exactly what they say they want. Then most who engage in game would be good little feminist men just to please women, or at least pretend to be. The only reason that the PUA community clashes with feminism community is because women claim they want one thing, but then in practice prove they want another, that is not PC, so they attempt to hide their inconsistency. The PUA community pursuing real world results have learned to ignore what women wish they wanted and instead focus on what women actually want. Me, I just want to do what I want to do.
P.S. Besides all that, you guys make this look like a lot of work.
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Regarding #8 and #9:
I strongly suspect any man who says “Game only works on dizzy club skanks” is secretly a person who deeply wishes he knew how to hook up with dizzy club skanks. (Citations: personal experience pre game-discovery)
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Alpha this, alpha that.
In my experience, guys who get girls also tend to be good at other things as well (i.e. they are alpha in the sense that they get laid and alpha in the sense that they do other stuff).
This causes beta underachievers to hate them more than ever, of course.
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Discord, the dark lord is right. Sure there’s a mechanical aspect but those relationship experts who say the brain is the biggest e-zone are accidentally correct (except for certain high-T types like most 13 year old boys where anything with a pulse will do). However, I think the teachings of game lead me to believe that the solutions offered by relationship advisors to entice flagging relationship minds are wrong. To entice the guy, get hot, girl (sad but true). To entice the girl, the guy needs to seduce via alphaness not beta-style placation. But, beta-style placation is all that is taught by the anti-game community.
But, the Neo-stopping-bullets-in-the-Matrix truth is that it doesn’t matter for girls. If you worry too much, you’ll exude beta-pheromones and the girl’s hamster wheel of a brain will turn off.
And again, Chi-town was making what’s known as a “joke.” But the grain of truth was that, in his joke, he was so alpha that he could suck in bed and still have the girls (dimes, natch) cater to him anyway. So shall you find that to be the way of the world. only with war pigs.
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@DFCtomm
P.S. Besides all that, you guys make this look like a lot of work.
Hey, if you think about anything and apply your thought, no mater what it is, it usually turns out better.
No extra work at all. Just think.
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It takes work to get good at anything in this world. Getting good (or better) with women is no exception.
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@TheDarkLord
In my experience, guys who get girls also tend to be good at other things as well (i.e. they are alpha in the sense that they get laid and alpha in the sense that they do other stuff).
This causes beta underachievers to hate them more than ever, of course.
Then do more shit. Please.
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“i guess by your logic that makes me 200 years old.]”
Well not quite, from what I hear …
[editor: i heard you’re a pedophile.]
“It’s hard to believe a man in his late 30s, four years ago,
[your numbers are off.]”
That’s right, it was a man in his early 40s, three years ago. Sorry.
[nope. guess again.]
“[what the hell are you on about? oh wait, nevermind. you do realize you’re barking up the wrong tree. i’ll give you one guess as to how this could be so.]”
Because you’re not really that poor old mid-40s guy who got exposed as you?
[my girlfriend is laughing over my shoulder at you as i type this.]
“[did you just catch a glimpse of your husband’s penis?]”
See, there’s a good example of why you don’t make sense.
[zoom, right over your head.]
The successful guy with the big penis thinks blogging is a silly waste of time.
[if he’s married to you he’s not successful in the one thing that matters most. but i’m sure he appreciates your stirring defense of his penis size.]
He’s got better things to do.
[you really are quite stupid, despite your superficial facility with lawyerly argumentation. or you’re being deliberately obtuse. successful men who do well with women have all sorts of fun and pointless hobbies. tinkering with cars, playing frisbee, online poker, jazz LP collecting, archery, just to name the hobbies of a few financially successful ladies men i know.]
“Straight guys just don’t do the *eye roll.*
[they do if it’s an alpha eye roll.”
Does that go with the alpha hair-flip, the alpha wrist-flick, and the alpha three-finger-snap?
[what did i tell you about staying away from comedy?]
I was kidding about you being gay (you’re not cool enough),
[yes, so uncool that you can’t help but hang around the comments section of my blog and remember with precise detail posts i wrote three years ago.]
but you are kind of art-faggy. It kind of undermines the macho sentiments you try to express.
[chicks dig the anti-herbiness.]
“[i am? anoukange is attractive. … [does it bother you that i give you shit while other women who comment here earn my charming flirtations?]
No thanks, Gramps, I’m happy to stay out of that petri dish.
[so happy that you can’t stay away from commenting here and fishing for my attention.]
Anouk is way, waaaay out of your league, just like LR and FemX.
[anouk is more feminine than you even when she’s venting. femx is likely half sigma. LR, aka wendy schwartz, is a white trash alcoholic dui collecting anti-semitic leatherfaced ex-stripper single mom who had a bastard kid with an abusive loser. i’m not surprised that a prole-hater such as yourself so readily abandoned your natural revulsion for her lifestyle and class and glommed onto her to circle the yenta wagons. after all, you and her do have one thing in common. cunts of a feather…]
That’s probably why you’ve always been so defensive around me
[projection, it’s what’s for dinner!]
— I’m the only female around here who’s like anything you’ve probably ever had in real life.
[i did fuck a really cunty and humorless lawyer chick once. so there’s that.]
I’m old enough, average enough, and has low enough self-esteem back in my dating days.
[so you admit you are an aging, plain jane hag with bitterness issues? color me shocked.]
(Not that I’m as ancient as you, but you’re in the outer range of someone I might have given a shot to.)
[if it’s any consolation, you are probably older than me. not that i would welcome your come-ons. but your raging clit boner for me is duly noted.]
Plus I mistakenly believed that you whiny types just needed a little lovin’ to make good boyfriends.
[maybe you were just a bad lay?]
That’s who your little asshole maneuvers work on — not arrogant supermodels.
[you have no idea.]
But you know it looks bad to admit you’re bullying and tricking women with low self-esteem who are just looking for boyfriends.
[for my next trick, i’ll pull a smiling girl out of the hat and hypnotize her to want to make love with me, and then i’ll demand her lunch money until her eyes light up with desire.]
So you pretend you’re taking down beautiful, greedy tramps.
[i have dated a lot of beautiful women, but not too may of them were greedy. i’ve found that when a woman loves me for my devilish charm, golddigging isn’t an issue.]
“[describe my motive.]”
You’re either just a dork who will do absolutely anything for a popular blog, or you got heavy into the MRA scene for some reason, and cooked this up as a feeder blog.
[wrong. the answer is: crisis and observation.]
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Roissy said:
“[editor: you seem to be forgetting the Darwinian purpose which informs our actions. a man who gets promoted to EVP in his corporate world is going to feel really good, but the underlying mechanism is a genetic algorithm that compels him to seek those good feelings from increases in status because it will mean more mating opportunities with higher quality women. and don’t underestimate just how aware of this reality most men are.]”
Well Roissy I think you’re forgetting the more fundamental purpose of our actions which is to procreate.
[editor: actually, the purpose of life is to fuck. children are simply a by-product of that purposeful life. ultimately procreation is what our genes want, and to achieve that we are programmed to seek the pleasure of sex. but thanks to modern contraceptives, it is now possible to thwart the goal of our genes and enjoy the pleasure without the consequences.]
You have subverted that basic drive and are just mating as an end in and of itself rather than a means of procreation. Others have further abstracted their goals and now succeed as an end in and of itself, not as a means of attracting mates (your goal).
The truth is I would guess that your goals are more abstract than just pursuing poon now. Most likely you get pleasure from writing about it and entertaining your presumably vast audience. By dint of your contribution to the literature you are not an ordinary PUA. I quite enjoy reading your blog (in fact it is my iphone toilet reading mainstay).
However, in the grand scheme of things the PUA that gets a lot of pussy is a lot like the suit salesman with a great suit, the personal trainer with a great body or the professional dancer tearing up the club. He is just not as impressive as the successful well rounded man who also happens to be well dressed, in shape, and a great dancer.
[take a look around. most people are mediocrities.]
I would say that you are more akin to a fashion designer who is well dressed, or a fitness guru in great shape. Yes you are monomaniacal, but you are contributing to your field of interest. In various fields it is people like you that are responsible for all of the advances our society makes.
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I thought I’d give an update on the apocolypse opener I did on the 8 after roissy’s post.
Last night, after a week of navigating numerous tests and dropping a few nuclear negs on her, she finally spent the night and spread her legs.
The funny part?…. she’s a 24 yr old stripper. Looking back, there was no other game that would have a young stripper bouncing on me in a week.
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I got a real world problem for you guys. Nikki Haley is running for the GOP nomination for governor of SC. She has been accused of having an affair. The relevant information is that the guy she is accused of having an affair with was an associate who she had long phone conversations with sometimes late at night. Did she do it?
Popular wisdom on the comments of political blogs is that the guy is a scumbag and she wouldn’t touch him. My take is that she perceives that her status is higher than her husband, and the “dirtbag” has indeed bagged her. What’s your opinions?
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Let’s remember that popular culture teaches the youth of today about relationships between men and women. Sketch sounds like she’s 25 or younger.
“Respectful”. That’s the Gramscian buzzword for this generation of beta and white knights. The offending cultural artifact is “Superbad”, a notoriously insidious piece of beta bait.
Despite doing just about everything wrong, every supplicating beta move (just being “respectful”), one of our protagonists (played by Michael Cera) winds up in bed with a drunken cutie who’s totally into him, completely disregarding his obvious lesser betatude. Is this girl completely oblivious? She appears to be.
What a contemptible premise! To so blatantly lie to impressionable teens about how to succeed with women! The success of this bromance foretells with certainty — Roissy has his work cut out for him.
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Spungen doesn’t buy into the women are all attracted to alpha males because she claims to have slept with a good number of beta males. However, from her descriptions of them they all seem like lesser alphas or, at the very worst, greater betas. Just because in the end they didn’t meet her sky high standards they get labelled betas. Sheesh. How about that for hypergamy. Actual betas don’t even get noticed. They don’t even exist.
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Boiled down: Haters, 1. Can’t get any fuck or 2. Are unwanted for fuck. If they ain’t hatin’, obviously they be gettin’ some!
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Who says Alpha males are occupying the bottom rungs of society? Now that the internet boom has entered the history books, being a nerdy computer expert has returned to being a low status job. Nowadays having a strong personality with leadership abillity gets the high status jobs hence being a smart Alpha male will get you the big bucks and the babes to boot. It’s a job-genetic return to normalcy. >:)
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Sketch, sheep are domesticated animals destined for shearing and/or slaughtering.
Most western humans don’t even meet the standards for “free range” cattle.
So most women need someone with a figurative cattle prod telling them what to do, or they don’t know what to do with themselves. They complain, but they like the shocky stick. It makes them feel secure.
The equally cattle like, but more aggressive male factory farmed human would do well to give the human female what she needs, if he ever hopes to mate.
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Nick, actually I do. Little men, I may like as friends and be attracted to looks wise, but I know in advance that we’re going to be sexually incompatible.
So I go for big, muscular, and muscular and fat guys because I don’t have to treat them like they’re made of rice paper.
They tend to like me for the same reason. Sometimes a guy likes to actually shag.
I’ve broken three beds in my lifetime. One was oak, one was a futon, and the last one had a metal frame. My next bed is going to be essentially a reinforced block.
I’ve thought about designs with mini earthquake braces.
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@Nicole
I’ve broken three beds in my lifetime. One was oak, one was a futon, and the last one had a metal frame. My next bed is going to be essentially a reinforced block.
I’ve thought about designs with mini earthquake braces.
More girls like you and the world really would be a better place.
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Gorbachev, if there were too many women like me, there would just be different complaints about womankind.
Men would liken us to insatiable monsters with no concern for the fact that men have to have energy for work.
There would be no such thing as a friend zone, and males who got too close would have to worry about being molested by their BFF.
Instead of wearing makeup, women would carry home made muffins in a special transparent purse. So a popular guy would be known by his crumb count.
MMA would be the most popular sport evarrr.
Men would feel pressured to grow interesting facial hair.
I don’t know if the world would be a better place, but it would definitely be one in which more men would be having more sex. Women would be more assertive in the positive way, so long as men were okay with it, and didn’t confuse proactiveness with sluttiness.
Bear in mind though, that almost everything I know about being a woman, I learned from women who were either old school southern or not American. So there are plenty of women like me, just outside the U.S. or in certain small pockets of the relatively conservative but secularly balanced.
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walawala,
that dissection of a Robbie W performance might at first seem a bit over-analytical, even ridiculous, but I agree it is useful. In addition to emphasizing the importance of your mindset on a general level, it provides solid insight into what makes Robbie so lovable: it is the Niceguy/Badboy switch. Also, his ability to connect with and include everybody means guys like him too. Why he never became huge in the US is somewhat baffling.
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Here is hoping for a Roissy review of SATC 2.
That show, however vapid it seems to the male mind, is nevertheless and big influence on most under 25 targets. (don’t know enough 25 plus women)
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Yobbie, what makes that Robbie Williams clip such a useful learning tool is the way he basically mirrors the Mystery Method slowly escalating his seduction of the audience.
If you break it down and apply it to a club, or a party…pacing is vital…
That for me is a key area to learn. I can ramp it up quickly but am not so good yet at the push-pull….
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I liked this. So the next time I am reading some blog and some dude says, you cannot believe so and so b/c he hates wermin. he could be saying on of the above in different variances. cool. “you are right and it makes me weep”.
love that…
last week, I decided to post some of roissey/chateau on my facebook page. to see who would respond, agree, complain, etc. all the alpha/sigma whatever, the normal men said nothing. out of all the men in general, only one decided to comment, freak out, complain and finally say, “this is all bullshit, you pposted this writer lying about women”…
gees…so I drew out this person and confirmed my assessment that he was gamma times 10. I did this on purpose b/c the only thing I see when I look at him is a cry baby, weak, 30 yr old. but I cannot delete him b/c I am stuck managing his sorry arse at work. poor me, lucky him.
I sure hate facebook. Love Riossy!
LP999
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That Robbie Williams clip with the annotations is awesome.
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But game is essential stuff people!
Nature and Art: material and workmanship.
There is no beauty unadorned and no excellence that would not become barbaric if it were not supported by artifice: this remedies the evil and improves the good. Nature scarcely ever gives us the very best; for that we must have recourse to art. Without this the best of natural dispositions is uncultured, and half is lacking to any excellence if training is absent. Every one has something unpolished without artificial training, and every kind of excellence needs some polish
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@TheEditor,
gees…so I drew out this person and confirmed my assessment that he was gamma times 10. I did this on purpose b/c the only thing I see when I look at him is a cry baby, weak, 30 yr old. but I cannot delete him b/c I am stuck managing his sorry arse at work. poor me, lucky him.
I sure hate facebook. Love Riossy!
One note. I’m not even sure that the writer is female.
This might not be, but I hate beta baiting and tagging. This comment might just be showing the calling out a beta, but there’s a tendency to pile shit on betas (mostly by women). I smell some here. I detest that when a woman does it. Lingering bitterness well-won.
Game isn’t about confirming the ranks of beta losers around us and laughing about it. It should be for making better men.
Using game or even Roissy to single betas out for extra thrashing seems perverse. It means “game” could be used by women to make life even shittier for betas.
Domesticating them, brainwashing them, then using them for personal entertainment. A Beta gets blamed for his own brainwashing, to top it all off.
When a woman starts in about the betas in her life, I get the urge to call her on her reptilian lack of empathy, confirming what I believe about many females and their lack of soul in their visceral hatred of lower ranking men. It disgusts me.
Makes me want to tool them harder, and do something biting and cruel. Especially the pretty ones: they need to be bumped down a peg or two. A good serious dumping after they’re attached to you is always in order, complete with explanations of their soulless inadequacy and bad taste in shoes: “Oh, and you’re aging badly.” Add in a “You’re also kinda skanky”, a little “That thing you do with X is lame”, and a final “It’s better if no-one finds out I was seeing you.”
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@Nicole
There would be no such thing as a friend zone, and males who got too close would have to worry about being molested by their BFF.
I don’t know if the world would be a better place, but it would definitely be one in which more men would be having more sex. Women would be more assertive in the positive way, so long as men were okay with it, and didn’t confuse proactiveness with sluttiness.
I restate:
More girls like you and the world really would be a better place.
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@Gorbachev:When a woman starts in about the betas in her life, I get the urge to call her on her reptilian lack of empathy, confirming what I believe about many females and their lack of soul in their visceral hatred of lower ranking men. It disgusts me.
It should not disgust you. I’m sure water doesn’t disgust you because it’s wet, nor sandpaper because it’s abrasive. This is the nature of these things. You can’t hate a thing because of its essence. You can’t rage against the sky for being blue.
The essence of ‘woman’ is in part that hypergamous, status-obsessed brain. You should love women for it, it’s what makes women women. Otherwise they’d be men, and you’d be gay.
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Gorbachev, thank you for the compliment, even though whatever credit there is for that belongs in the hands of my dad, my departed grandmothers, and two oldest aunts on my mom’s side.
Without them, I’d have been utterly clueless. My aunts were very non conventional, but they were both classy. What I learned from them would help me greatly in finding decent men, knowing how to treat them, and how to let them go when I had to.
…which brings me to TheDarkLord’s nature acceptance.
The sky is blue, and sandpaper is rough, but the sky cannot be more blue than it is, nor sandpaper more rough. It is what it is.
…and a woman is weaker than a man generally. Whatever status she has is dependent on men to maintain. Men are the enforcement arm of humanity. Without men to hold the line, a woman is simply a weaker animal with all that implies.
So women may be hypergamous, but we are still only women. Pretty or ugly, we are all technically lower in natural status than any man in our socioeconomic class.
We should all be grateful for the men who help to maintain our status. Disdain for them is something like the rich resenting the poor who help to fill their pockets.
On a personal level, a man who doesn’t recognize his own natural status is disgusting. So really all a man has to do is represent.
It is perfectly justified though, for a man to feel anger towards women who are so delusional as to bear ill will and hatred towards women who don’t recognize. So long as one doesn’t wallow in it and ignore women who understand life, it’s a valid sentiment that deserves some air time.
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Crap…I got distracted in the middle of typing. That should be “It is perfectly justified though, for a man to feel anger towards women who are so delusional as to bear ill will and hatred towards men who are doing their job, and women who don’t recognize.”
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Gorbachev- ever see “In the Company of Men”?
The Alpha male of the film does prescisely that- he deliberately seduces and crushes the woman to show her what its like to have your heart torn out by someone who cares nothing for you…. only to not have it make a lick of difference in how she is repulsed by the Beta male who is chasing her.
Repulsion to Betas is hard wired in women. Its not something that can be trained out of them- its like trying to train you to enjoy the taste or smell of sulfer; you can’t. Its hardwired- past generations survived because they were replused by the smell, and lived to pass on the genes- because these substances were toxic and meant death.
And that’s what Beta DNA is to women- a toxin that produces genetic meta-death if injested by their vagina. Its no wonder their so repulsed by it.
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@Nicole:
On a personal level, a man who doesn’t recognize his own natural status is disgusting. So really all a man has to do is represent.
Yes, totally agree. In my male friends and colleagues I value “manliness”, which includes rules and values that are hard wired into our brains. Men who subvert their own natures by becoming weasels and manginas cause me to roll my eyes (alpha eye roll obviously) and I write them off as worthwhile human beings.
This might seem harsh to some, but I am male, which means I can turn off feelings of empathy quickly and effortlessly.
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One more thing.
@Nicole:Pretty or ugly, we are all technically lower in natural status than any man in our socioeconomic class.
We should all be grateful for the men who help to maintain our status. Disdain for them is something like the rich resenting the poor who help to fill their pockets.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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TheDarkLord, actually it was martial arts that taught me that. I should add Master Kim to that list of people to credit for my development of legitimate humility. I have no use for false humility, and am sometimes called arrogant, but I appreciate the strength of men even when I’m exasperated with their blindness.
As a woman, when one fights men, it’s harder to convince one’s self that one is not physically vulnerable. When the skill leads one into situations of being the protector or guardian, one appreciates what a difficult job that is.
…especially nowadays with so many twisted men whose mothers hated them for being born male around. I recently had the displeasure of watching one of my close friends twist. I couldn’t do or say anything to save him. Some poor woman is probably going to find out her limitations.
It’s a cycle, you see. I’m not trying to look altruistic. I have very selfish reasons for wanting to see men embracing their natural role as protectors rather than cannibals…and women embracing their natural role as nurturers rather than scavengers.
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*alpha eye roll*
A contradiction in terms.
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@TheDarkLord
@Gorbachev:When a woman starts in about the betas in her life, I get the urge to call her on her reptilian lack of empathy, confirming what I believe about many females and their lack of soul in their visceral hatred of lower ranking men. It disgusts me.
It should not disgust you. I’m sure water doesn’t disgust you because it’s wet, nor sandpaper because it’s abrasive. This is the nature of these things. You can’t hate a thing because of its essence. You can’t rage against the sky for being blue.
The essence of ‘woman’ is in part that hypergamous, status-obsessed brain. You should love women for it, it’s what makes women women. Otherwise they’d be men, and you’d be gay.
I get it: but it’s vicious when they complain about it and you’re with them, and the one they’re complaining about is their “mate” who they’re cheating on. As a male, I take it as a general offense to maleitude.
Having been one, I feel for the betas of the world.And then to have women lie about it, and lie about how deeply they wound, and even that they do.
I understand that it’s their nature to be this way.
But I have a deep and abiding wish to hold them up to the same standards they hold us up to.
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Hey, Gorbachev, how’d it go with PCG yesterday?
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@Polymath
Hey, Gorbachev, how’d it go with PCG yesterday?
Other thread (relevance of game)
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Read this:
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/pink/an_immodest_proposal
Okay. Anyone see the difficulty behind this very well-meaning proposal?
What it does is release female sexuality from the bonds of modesty and composure that restrict it. I can see why this might be a good thing.
But unless it comes with severe restraint on the part of young women (hah! As if men can manage this), it means:
Sluttier women. Lots of poon. HUGE numbers of Alphas having sex, betas nibbling at the pickings.
I really don’t think the (otherwise well-meaning) feminists have actually thought through the social implications.
Long-term.
And the effects on males – and their likely responses.
It’s a conundrum. Personal interests don’t easily intersect with social results here.
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The problem with modern game is that it’s a scam.
Borrowing from Samuel Johnson, when it comes to modern game as exhibited on this blog, “the parts that are good are not original, and the parts that are original are not good.”
For example, playfully teasing girls can be good flirtation, and a lot of people have known that for a long time.
But instead, idiots like this blogger tells bitter guys to “neg” women. Sure enough, the bitter guys go and say something negative, which doesn’t work. And then the blogger says “by neg, I mean playfully tease.”
Well, dumbfuck blogger, why not just say “playfully tease women”?
Of course any astute observer knows why.
First, this blog is all about appealing to bitter men who want to get back at da evil widdle women for being so mean. So instead of giving straightforward advice that helps men (like “playfully tease’), this blog plays to male bitterness with “neg” terminology. This then undermines the men, who say dumb negative things. And then the blogger judges their dumb negative things, and says “aha, you beta fools, remember that neg means playfully tease.”
And the bitter asslickers are all like, “Oh, blogger, you’re so wise.” It never seems to occur to the bitter asslickers that the blogger set them up to fail by telling them to “neg,” when he could have set them up for success by telling them to “playfully tease.”
A scam, pure and simple.
[editor: you are such a vagina. verklempt much?]
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@Keith – I would have quasi-agreed six months ago that the negging stuff was unnecessary in real-life game (where game is defined as doing something to shape/start a relationship), but Roissy earned my respect in other areas so I started giving negging a try…and it really helps a man do at least one point better out of 10 than otherwise.
Negging is what you do when you hit the otherwise natural ceiling of what you can get (you are not being seen as having the money, youth, height to be accepted by someone with the next highest level of looks from what you otherwise get without problems). While I was already operating well with East European 9s last fall, negging has recently helped me graduate into the above mentioned “10 Only Policy” (I live in a part of the world with the highest concentration of full-figured white women in the world – genetics + a complete lack of processed foods + no fast food restaurant in the college town where I live = more 10s per square kilometer than you might find in an entire US city).
One doesn’t neg out of a general bitterness but because the woman before you isn’t trying hard enough to win you over (the opposite is happening). At best you can call negging something you do out of an instant bitterness you feel when you are expecting imminent rejection.
Are you saying, Keith, that you would sooner go down in flames with a 10 than neg her to keep the ball in play?
Negging is simply calling attention politely to reasons why you might decide not to pursue a woman.
Negging causes her to try harder…if for no reason but to make sure that this perceived lower status male knows his place by showing her the requisite interest.
Negging also causes the woman to rationalize that the man negging her must be much higher status than she initially realized because, otherwise, “how would a lower status male dare risk my wrath?”
You can compare a neg with a bluff in poker where you figure your cards are great but you know the other side has a full house…and you still force the other person to fold, giving you the chips.
The big question is “what is a good example of a neg”?
This is what I wish more men posted on.
Above I mentioned that one good one is to politely slam the general sophistication of women from the area she comes from. The reason why this kind of comment is a bluff is because everyone knows that only looks matter to a man. But if the man can pretend that it matters how sophisticated a woman is, the 10 standing before you might get worried and try harder to make him like her.
Another – what I call the nuclear neg – is to remind a 10 that 10 status lasts no more than 3 or 4 years and then she will be a regular mortal female again because of normal aging. This is a bluff because a reasonable retort from the woman could be ‘Yes, I know I don’t have much time to snare a good man with my looks, which is why I won’t waste any on you”. 😉
Both of these neg examples work wonders in situations where a man feels he is about to get rejected. The nuclear neg is dangerous to use on a US feminist (feminism’s biggest obsession is about how unfair it is that women age faster than men). But the whole point of calling it “nuclear” is that this type of comment is a last resort tool.
Think of a nuclear neg as a fire alarm handle that says Break Glass in Case of Imminent Rejection
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@Gorbachev – That Scarleteen article was written by non-other than Jessica Valenti, the editor of Feministing.
As is usual with Jessica, she has zero understanding of evolutionary biology.
A man basically has to push the envelope to make a relationship sexual where it will otherwise go to LJBF (let’s just be friends). If he doesn’t push, another man will.
At least in my experience, sometimes her libido might be lagging by a week or two behind her actions. In fact, she gets the libido for the man who maneuvered/pressured her best.
A woman in a relationship will have plenty of time being the initiator 7 years from now when he is secretly looking for someone else…but Jessica seeks a world where “equality” means both genders behave and feel exactly the same without a time lag and there won’t be any power differentials at any point in the relationship.
That said, her immodest proposal of getting 18 year olds to enjoy themselves is fine with me. Too many 18 year old virgins really are scared to take their clothes off due to body image problems. This is one area where I applaud the feminists.
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I think that @Keith believes that, just before a man is about to be rejected, the last thing a man would want to do is say something that might make her insecure about herself. This logic is like saying “You should keep a woman confident in her decision to ditch you at the next opportunity”.
Keith: making her insecure is the best way to get a woman to call off an impending rejection. Obviously, one should be good at reading signals so as not to perceive an impending rejection when one was likely not to happen, but the HUGE percentage of rejections coming from certain types of women in certain places can lead a man to quickly become expert at judging a woman’s body language and knowing when to apply negs or not.
Keith seems to think that possibly making a woman angry (a good neg illicits insecurity, not anger) is the worst thing that can happen – but he doesn’t say for whom.
I suspect he means “don’t victimize the poor innocent woman by giving her a complex about her teeth or level of sophistication simply because she was not attracted to you after knowing you an entire 2 minutes”. He is thinking “let her follow through with the rejection in all confidence”.
At least, Keith, by stating that you *think* a neg would make a woman angry and even more likely to reject a man…you are admitting that a man’s rhetoric (what game is mostly comprised of) can greatly affect the outcome of an encounter with a woman…which means *game* is important and which means your idea that a man should *not* use negs is your brand of game.
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No class for feminists, not even femi-nazis, but just plain feminists?
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Jerry,
“A man basically has to push the envelope to make a relationship sexual where it will otherwise go to LJBF (let’s just be friends). If he doesn’t push, another man will.”
So true. If the girl is not predisposed to go for the man because of status or looks, LJBF feels natural for girls but is horribly frustrating for men who cannot simply turn off the attraction they feel. The real bitches will permanently place a man in the friend zone where it would never occur to them to reconsider him; nicer women will simply turn their romantic attentions elsewhere but are capable of reconsidering if the man starts acting more alpha. However in real life this is quite rare because someone else swoops in first.
Last night I asked my wife about why she picked me over the other guy who was seriously interested in her at the time, whom she was actually friends with [I was friends with her too but she was closer friends with him]. She said “well, you were more appealing to me for several reasons, but mostly you moved faster”. In other words, even though she liked me better when forced to consider the question, if I had hung back and he had pursued her more aggressively and skillfully, I would have missed out (though I am almost certain I would have had another chance since he proved to have serious emotional problems, manifested most obviously by his unhinged reaction to her relationship with me).
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Yes, if there is any minimal need for game, it is because of the “You snooze you lose” principle. It doesn’t matter how rich and good looking a man is…if a “lesser” guy moves faster, he can permanently get the girl. Which doesn’t make him a “lesser” guy in the end.
I have a strong feeling some of the haters of this blog are deliberately clicking on the thumbs down button for good comments. But if one of the 4 who thumbed down the “Only 10 Policy” comment is serious about PUA, I will explain why it makes sense to have such a policy , especially if you are living like you should in a part of the world where beautiful women are concentrated in what amounts to a genetic paradise (also a college town where women never eat fast food and rarely eat processed food):
1) Opportunity Cost = If you spend time with an 8 at restaurants or the movies, then 10s will literally pass you by and you will probably NOT get the chance to get their phone numbers while your 8 is in the bathroom.
At best they will look at the two of you and think “What does he see in her” (but don’t count on that – it takes a lot of hard gaming work to make a 10 interested). Some insecure young men might get an ego boost by having 10s give that “What does he see in her” look, but such events are actually a tragedy. How can you think it good that the women you most want will be “disappointed” for a few seconds seeing you with an 8? Do you think they will be impressed when they see her go to the bathroom and you go up to try to get their number?
Be available to meet the 10s.
Many otherwise alpha males miss this concept.
2) Peace of Mind = In the college town I live in, if I were to still consider the 8s and 9s walking around without a man beside them, I would never make it to work in the morning in the summer nor would I have time to wolf down a sandwich at lunch. I would be going crazy.
Too many of them are walking around now in mini-skirts or summer dresses. I would be falling them around like a dog in heat – hoping to get all their phone numbers.
Worse: by trying to pick up any given 8 in a mini-skirt, I would know that another dozen 8s in mini-skirts would pass us by and notice the conversation taking place. At least four 9s and maybe even a 10 would also pass by in the time it took to try to game an 8. The cost is too high.
It’s a liberating feeling to Just Say No to 8s. This doesn’t mean one shouldn’t be friends with them and even fit them into your schedule now and then, so don’t hit the thumbs down button if you think I’m being too shallow here (I can see female 8s reaching for the mouse right now).
No, the liberation comes from not needing the phone numbers of 20,000 women just in the city where you live.
In the end, 8s will work harder to get you if you truly and honestly feel yourself in the market for 10s only.
Do the math and give yourself some credit. You will have a lot more peace of mind if you aren’t going crazy wondering which of the many 8s in your field of vision you need to run after, ask to remove their iPod headphones from their ears, ask directions from and try to get a phone number from.
By the way, a good game tactic for a 10 is to play a form of Surrender upfront where you basically beg them to let you play the role of harmless Beta Worshipper, and when they agree to let you be one of their worshipper friends who meets you somewhere a week later or whenever, that is when you move into Direct Game: cuddling up with her on a couch in the VIP room at the disco (pay for that – it pays dividends) and saying you want to sleep with her that night. I call this “Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing Game”.
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why don’t my comments ever show up.
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It still drives me a little crazy that game works. It pisses me off. So I understand why there are haters. I’d be tempted to hate, except Roissy’s right about women, and he’s the messenger, not the message. Roissy’s got women pegged.
That said, I don’t think Roissy has come up with an acceptable answer (and neither have I, or anyone else I know) to a key problem: Given what he said about women is true, given what he said about marriage being a raw deal is true, what about marriage and family?
I still think it’s too easy to just give up, say civilization is fucked, and just enjoy the good times until the whole thing falls apart. That’s a young man’s philosophy, and it was mine. The time will come when that’s just not enough. It did for me.
Most married men I see are on the edge of betatude — others maintain their alpha status, but I’ve seen plenty of them get cheated on, too, by frustrated wives, or out of revenge for their own infidelities.
Others are happy — strangely enough, the happiest men I’ve seen are those who didn’t date a lot, but ended up with a smart, pretty women who had a past but who made a decision for a beta provider and stuck with it. That is, they went in eyes wide open, and appreciated the beta’s thoughtfulness, love, fidelity and honor, and made a conscious decision to sacrifice some of their wants and be grateful for the beta’s finer qualities and to reciprocate by providing him a loving, warm home. But these cases are rare. By the way, that’s real love. It can’t be replaced with all the sex in the world with “10s” or “8s” or other terms indicate a propensity for scorekeeping.
There’s something going on with women, at least in the U.S. They’re losing their way, just as men raised during the feminist revolution lost their way and became feminized. The damage to women has been extreme. I know many women who tried to be like men, only to lose their feminine skills — and make pretty fucking poor excuses for a man. I have told my last few girlfriends, all of whom said at one point, I feel more like a man than a woman — that you’re not a man, you’re not even close to a man, and if you were a man, you’d have had that mouth beaten out of you by the time you were 10. And guess what? They all were relieved and happy to hear it. My point is they didn’t know themselves, or men, well enough.
I dunno the answers. Can’t just give up, though, and say civilization is fucked. This one may be, but there’s always a remnant, something that will go on. The ones who negotiate the snares of our current society will be the ones who do go on, and the rest of us will disappear.
Have a nice day!
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Game works because of the current social milieu. A powerful group of people decided to change mores for upper class women and to encourage them to be envious of alpha male sexual prerogatives. Whether the initiative for change came from men first, or from women first, I don’t know. However, the change in the regime could not have been instituted without males – male politicians, male businessmen, fathers.
The system cannot be perpetuated without continuing acquiescence/cooperation by males. Males contend. If some males don’t like how they are treated by the current regime they have two choices – learn game or topple the regime. Toppling the regime doesn’t mean contending with women – it means challenging/replacing the males who are currently propping up the regime.
Get this through your head – women can’t perpetuate the regime by themselves – they are, after all, the weaker sex. If you are a beta male dissatisfied with the status quo and you routinely vote democratic you just don’t get it. If you are a beta and are disgusted by the hypergamous behavior of women and view it as essentially destructive of civilization, you have to educate yourself about all the myriad ways that women are propped up by big government and persuade a large number of like-thinking males to work for the regime’s destruction. If this seems to daunting a task – learn game. Game is mainly about asserting your headship over women anyways, so it is something all men should know.
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@Bill daH
There’s something going on with women, at least in the U.S. They’re losing their way, just as men raised during the feminist revolution lost their way and became feminized. The damage to women has been extreme. I know many women who tried to be like men, only to lose their feminine skills — and make pretty fucking poor excuses for a man.
This the problem with American women. If you discuss it with them, some will admit it.
It’s enormously difficult to keep women in high-profile, high-stress careers. Many organizations lose these women, in whom they’ve invested huge amounts of training and grooming, when the women find this work-obsessed life with achievement as its only reward very unsatisfying.
Lots of articles about this now.
I have told my last few girlfriends, all of whom said at one point, I feel more like a man than a woman — that you’re not a man, you’re not even close to a man, and if you were a man, you’d have had that mouth beaten out of you by the time you were 10. And guess what? They all were relieved and happy to hear it. My point is they didn’t know themselves, or men, well enough.
I dunno the answers. Can’t just give up, though, and say civilization is fucked. This one may be, but there’s always a remnant, something that will go on. The ones who negotiate the snares of our current society will be the ones who do go on, and the rest of us will disappear.
The biggest trouble is the damage done to family units, and the lack of babies. Having children is no longer a goal for women; it’s a frill.
Having children is the core purpose for women and their sexuality, as well as mens’. It’s why we have Jobs and Careers. We’ve forgotten this.
@Dave
Game works because of the current social milieu. A powerful group of people decided to change mores for upper class women and to encourage them to be envious of alpha male sexual prerogatives. Whether the initiative for change came from men first, or from women first, I don’t know. However, the change in the regime could not have been instituted without males – male politicians, male businessmen, fathers.
Women drove it, and men accepted it. The 1960’s nailed it home.
Get this through your head – women can’t perpetuate the regime by themselves – they are, after all, the weaker sex. If you are a beta male dissatisfied with the status quo and you routinely vote democratic you just don’t get it.
I’d go on and say that conservatives are just as bad. They seem unable to get over the halo effect they surround women with. Women are seen as perfect and innocent; men are Dangerous and must be Managed.
If you are a beta and are disgusted by the hypergamous behavior of women and view it as essentially destructive of civilization, you have to educate yourself about all the myriad ways that women are propped up by big government and persuade a large number of like-thinking males to work for the regime’s destruction. If this seems to daunting a task – learn game. Game is mainly about asserting your headship over women anyways, so it is something all men should know.
Simply joining conservative movements is insufficient.
There has to be a sea-change in the public perception of women and men; and religious conservative and liberal democrats don’t have any of the answers.
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Polymath’s wife
A few times I’ve had first date sex with girls who had suitors who’d been crooning and cooing and wooing the girl for weeks. Sometimes months.
Age gives advantages that boys can’t grasp. Timing.
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@Gorbachev: I’m not in favor of conservative white-knighting by any stretch. Nonetheless, the democratic party is in most instances the party financing female independence with male tax dollars. Take away the dollar props for single mothers, bastard children and they’ll come back to reality real quick. And for high-status jobs make women adhere to the same standards as men whether the standards are physical, mental or hourly. No more kvetching about how high-status professional women don’t get any credit in their career track for maternity leave. You’re either a professional or a mother.
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@Dave
@Gorbachev: I’m not in favor of conservative white-knighting by any stretch. Nonetheless, the democratic party is in most instances the party financing female independence with male tax dollars.
This is true; but conservatives are just as responsible for draining men dry during divorce. They presume women should get the kids, and they presume that men should pay for them. They White Knight the women and always presume the men are responsible for failures.
Take away the dollar props for single mothers, bastard children and they’ll come back to reality real quick.
The truth is that even republicans can’t do this. If you dismantle the welfare state, which is what’s required, then you run headlong into the Fairness ethic which, for better or worse, is part and parcel of modern society. It’s ne of the things that keeps democracy stable; without it, it’s Dickensian London.
It’s all dynamic. Eliminate the welfare state, and then you need to modify the rules of capitalism, to prevent domination by a rigidly defined social class and social immobility.
Then there’s the race problem. The black community is riven by huge social problems on extra layers. Paternalistic government destroyed the Black family in the 1950’s.
It’s happening widely now.
Feminists aren’t egging that on, … they just don’t care. They’re single-minded.
And for high-status jobs make women adhere to the same standards as men whether the standards are physical, mental or hourly. No more kvetching about how high-status professional women don’t get any credit in their career track for maternity leave. You’re either a professional or a mother.
This is a good idea, but how do you deal with the hordes of feminists and their apologizers who assault unionized-position managers and the public sector?
There’s a risk of the public sector becoming a ghetto for semi-ambitious women and feminized workplaces where achievement and focused work are no longer important.
The trick is this:
– Stop respecting women for working and splitting their lives. Work. Appreciate them as much as men. Or motherhood (and respect this).
– When women are losing interest or focus by being mothers (maternity leave, extended leaves, etc.), make sure their careers don’t get excused. If they take 5 years off, they must understand that those 5 years are wasted and gone in terms of their careers. They will not be permanently set behind their former male colleagues. No excuses for motherhood.
(more women will opt for motherhood and its rewards)
– Paternal Leave: Fine, but make sure men understand that their career ambitions are being damaged by this
Make it clear, harshly clear, that dedication to a career is fine, but don’t do any of this “make allowances for Motherhood” thing.
You can’t have your cake and eat it, too.
This is all very justifiable, and it stops the advancement of feminism into this field, as well: this far, and no further.
The next step for feminism is to feminize the workplace. It would basically remove inhibitions to leave work to be a mother; make allowances for time out; etc. Part of this has been done, but it hasn’t sunk in yet.
If this is stopped, without radically altering the workplace, more and more women will opt out of completely career-focused lifestyles. This will permanently relegate them to earning less than males, but it will leave the door open for them to advance as well as men: By abandoning their focus on their families the way men have to.
The next move will be to try to tempt men with a feminized workplace, making men more like women, thus reducing the competition for women who just don’t want to sacrifice their personal lives for work, the way men currently have to do.
Stop that, and at least there can’t be any more creeping advancement for the social disaster that Feminism has brought.
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Dickensian London? Look at the white and black family situation prior to LBJ and the great society – it wasn’t Dickensian London and it was far better than the current situation. Most women will be rational actors and when the state props for single motherhood (foodstamps, federal aid, divorce/family law) are removed they will marry (or remain married).
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@Dave
Dickensian London? Look at the white and black family situation prior to LBJ and the great society – it wasn’t Dickensian London and it was far better than the current situation. Most women will be rational actors and when the state props for single motherhood (foodstamps, federal aid, divorce/family law) are removed they will marry (or remain married).
I agree. But then again, the situation was different: 150 years ago, almost all money and power was monopolized by maybe 60-100 families, in the UK by a firmly entrenched aristocracy, and everyone else lived lives of deep desperation.
To prevent risings of the masses, communist revolutions, or outright revolts, without becoming a brutal police state, you need to moderate the aristocratic tendencies of capitalism.
My suggestion: Proper regulation; opportunity redistribution (i.e., don’t spread the money around; spread the education and chances for advancement around; increase social mobility).
The problem with the current model for the welfare state is that it provides incomes and support but doesn’t address social mobility.
You need to maintain open social mobility and spread the power and privilege around.
One way to do this is to avoid transfers to people, and look instead at maintaining well-regulated social systems (like education and health) that allow people to do things on their own.
Lett ing people do things for themselves – forcing them, actually – is a good idea conservatives have. However, they have to have a really good chance of being able to do this.
Neither conservatives or liberals are particularly good at doing this second critical task these days. Conservatives are too aristocratic and exclusive and judgmental; liberals are too power-maintenance obsessed and worried about social engineering.
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gor Having children is the core purpose for women and their sexuality, as well as mens’. It’s why we have Jobs and Careers. We’ve forgotten this.
What a load of crap.
This^^^is no longer true.
We have Jobs and Careers so we can buy shiny crap that’s produced by American companies who mostly outsource their factory jobs. We brag about the nice deal we got on our shiny crap to our equally ignorant associates/ friends.
Hey if we’re smart we buy stock in the company. Then we cheer when the stock price goes up after an announcement of job cuts all the while ignoring the lethality of more &more job cuts because we’ve earned another 100 bucks toward the retirement that we’ll never enjoy because years of pouring liquids and overly processed mush down our pie wholes that have a list of ingredients so complex that make a Harvard Chem grad pause to decipher leave us so frail and weak.
Well not all is lost; at least you can leave a few bucks to your grandkids. Or the kids who you think are your grandkids because your son’s wife had to get herself a piece of alpha peen from the mike the mechanic. Yup that “grandkid” will make you proud when he blows your lifetime of savings from a lifetime of spartan living and even smarter investing in one year with a few snorts up his nose or if he’s really smart… a HB10 who takes him for everything he’s worth after 6 months of marriage. That’s right, your 50 years of hard work is now in the hands of some nasty monthly bleeder who takes your life time earnings and spends them on her super alpha Tony the thug.
*whiskey faints*
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why don’t my comments ever show up.
Cause you don’t write sh*t worth reading.
NEXT
Just kidding. for some reason I feeling very silly giddy happy today.
*note to self*
Must decrease dose of Wellbutian.
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150 years ago, almost all money and power was monopolized by maybe 60-100 families, in the UK by a firmly entrenched aristocracy, and everyone else lived lives of deep desperation.
This might have been the case in Russia, where there was still serfdom outside the cities,
but there was a strong and growing middle class in most European countries 150 years ago. Apart from the lower life expectancy, TB, syphilis and lack of decent dental care (problems shared by all classes) they had a very pleasant time.
I agree that the poor in those times did indeed live lives of deep desperation.
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chitown Do you know what its like to be lied to by beautiful women? It has gotten back to me that several dozen 9s and 10s faked o’s with me. That’s a huge percentage, almost double digits. They manipulated me into believing that 5 or 6 thrusts was enough when they were bent over the chair
Ok, your first mistake was beliving that 5-6 trusts were enough.
Two, licky licky before sticky sticky.
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@Sdaedalus,
My point was just that if we axe the welfare state to prevent dependency and collapse of the family, we need to watch out for two things:
– return of a permanent and nearly always restless underclass
– monopolization of opportunity by a hereditary class of useless elites
One of the reasons North America was a much, much better place to live than the Old Country (or anywhere in Europe) was that there was no entrenched, parasitic elite; it’s why North American culture remains less elitist to this day. I’ve lived in Europe, and there, class structures are permanent, inflexible and old-school. Mobility between them is nearly impossible.
The UK is among the worst. A Canadian friend tells me that one of the advantages of being Canadian is an appreciation for what the UK had to offer without the crushing weight of class, social immobility and ideological inflexibility. In the US, a new elite emerged, but it’s remained much more fluid.
Getting rid of the welfare state would be a good thing for social mobility if done properly. In the UK, all it’s done is entrench really bad values and utter dependence on the state – which leftists love and the elite doesn’t seem to mind as it leaves them alone to pursue their exclusive little lives.
150 years ago, almost all money and power was monopolized by maybe 60-100 families, in the UK by a firmly entrenched aristocracy, and everyone else lived lives of deep desperation.
This might have been the case in Russia, where there was still serfdom outside the cities,
but there was a strong and growing middle class in most European countries 150 years ago. Apart from the lower life expectancy, TB, syphilis and lack of decent dental care (problems shared by all classes) they had a very pleasant time.
I agree that the poor in those times did indeed live lives of deep desperation.
It was a lot worse from 1850-1920 than history paints for us. Huge numbers of people flooded out of the UK. It was an utter social nightmare.
So if we abandon the welfare state, which we should, we need to maintain lots of regulation.
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BTW, what’s the best book to read on game? A few years ago, I read a book called, “How to Succeed with Women” and it worked wonders. Got me a great looking woman for my age group (mid-40s), but I’ve gotten rid of her and I’d like to read something else.
Suggestions?
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@Gorbachev
was a lot worse from 1850-1920 than history paints for us. Huge numbers of people flooded out of the UK. It was an utter social nightmare.
So if we abandon the welfare state, which we should, we need to maintain lots of regulation.
Have no difficulty with either of these statements (assuming that the regulation can be feasibly maintained)
Good luck today btw.
PS: you also have to bear in mind that there were many big charitable endeavours in the 19th century, there was an informal charitable structure providing welfare support, okay it was not very efficient in most cases but it can’t be ignored because things would have been even worse without it. You may need to factor in some support for such structures.
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@sdaedalus
Good luck today btw.
Thank you, ma’am. I am quite smitten with this lady. I’m looking forward to tomorrow night. I almost don’t want to seduce her. (almost).
PS: you also have to bear in mind that there were many big charitable endeavours in the 19th century, there was an informal charitable structure providing welfare support, okay it was not very efficient in most cases but it can’t be ignored because things would have been even worse without it. You may need to factor in some support for such structures.
I think private charity is crucial. The problem 150 years ago was that there was no answer for the aristocracy.
The problem I have with the left now is its reliance on state power. I think this is an error of huge proportions for human liberty and self-development.
But it’s not a question of balance. We need a new paradigm. And it exists.
Maximize social mobility and potential. Minimize control.
Conservatives: They minimize the first and the second (sometimes)
Liberals: They try to maximize the first and through massive control.
Wrong approach.
So you’re right, we have to encourage private charity.
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Game is a way for men to get laid in the most efficient way possible. It is both a science and an art.
Of course, the other alternative is to get married(jump off that tall building and pray for a miracle that you survive the fall) and settle down with your ONE legal vagina. Or do a LTR/cohabitation with ONE woman.
If you’re a monogamous guy to begin with chances are game is irrelevant to you anyway. Hence you call it ‘fake’.
Besides game, men can also be voluntarily celibate (not those self-pitying crybaby incels) and focus on their hobbies, careers etc. That is also a valid path.
In any case, once you remain as an unmarried man, you’re off to a winning start.
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mgtow,
Game is not irrelevant to monogamous guys at all — even if you don’t count that it can get you a higher-quality woman in the first place, it is very valuable in keeping a LTR satisfying.
I had an interesting thought today about Roissy’s observation that a man should not ask a girl to marry him, it is too beta, he should maneuver things so she asks him.
That may be difficult, so I offer a better way, which I don’t understand why no one has ever thought of before: if you really are determined to marry the girl, secretly buy the engagement ring, wait until a particularly good fucking has conked her out, and put it on her finger before she wakes up. Chances are she’ll wake you up with shrieks of joyful disbelief.
For additional alpha points: if she says she’s not really sure say “if you take it off, we’re not engaged any more”. This changes the frame so she has to take a positive action to say no, instead of a positive action to say yes. If she is really not sure, this could make the difference. At least it will make her leave it on while she thinks about it, and the longer it is on her finger the more her brain will spin out wedding fantasies so it will get harder and harder to part with. The best part of this line is that she realistically can’t string you along because very soon her friends or family will spot the ring — the decison pressure works in your favor now that the “status quo” has been sneakily reset to “engaged”.
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I read through the list to see if I fit any of the categories and I don’t think I did.
I hate pickup artistry for a number of reasons.
First, the whole concept disgusts me.
Second, I will admit I could never do it because if a woman I like seems to like me, I’m running on pure emotion — there’s no way I can be coldly calculating in that kind of situation — for me, it would kill the joy of the whole experience.
And third, because the rise of pickup artistry is just something else that is turning our western world into a de-facto polygamy society. Polygamy WAS the norm for most civilizations in most of history. But all the things we value about modern western civilization – it’s culture, it’s politics of liberty, and the dignity of human life – owe a lot to monogamy. It is a precious cultural patrimony that is being torn to shreds, and people like Roissy are some of the greatest destroyers of that patrimony.
Monogamy took such a strong hold in the west beginning at the end of the Roman Empire because of Christianity, Roman law, and the traditions of the German barbarians, who, as Tacitus told us, were monogamous (polygamy of course was the norm amongst barbarians as well.) Upon that three-fold foundation, monogamy grew and strengthened with the growth of the concept of chivalry, and then romance.
How could we have built a world where “every man’s home is his castle” in a polygamous sociiety where most men are not heads of families, but are single and unattached? How could we have developed the idea that “all men are created equal” if some men lived with many wives and many men lived with none — and of course, it goes without saying, how could we have developed the idea that women are full human beings and full citizens in a polygamous society that sees women as chattel – as property?
Democracy can not permanently survive if we backslide into polygamy. It will be a long while before we lose it, because western civilization, unprecentedly successful, has huge amounts of cultural capital to fritter away, but it is not limitless. And while we wait for it to be depleted (once it finally is, we’ll all end up Muslims living under Sharia law) men like Roissy have already succeeded in polluting relations between the sexes: “Alpha” males have contempt for women because they get so many of them, other males have contempt for women out of resentment because they get nothing, and women have contempt for men because they’re sleeping with douchebags and because they realize that they don’t need that many of us men at all – just a few douchebags to share amongst themselves.
Lovely!
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Hi Hater. Welcome and thanx for being “honest”!
This would be a great time for Roissy to create conference call capability to his blog. We could have Hater Workshops where a newbie can answer questions in real time that will show him that game is nothing more than working a conversation toward a desired end.
Hater: You say you run on emotion when you talk to a woman. But what do you say and how do they generally respond? If you are knowledgeable about the things they are passionate about and they like this…guess what? You are great at game. You were smart enough to gain fore-knowledge of the things you expected them to be passionate about.
If you had learned something beforehand that you knew might be interesting to women, you were a cold-hearted calculator.
Welcome to the club.
If you had read the Twilight series and seen the movies…with the slightest foreknowledge that this might have a great effect on a young woman…you were a cold hearted calculator.
Welcome to the club.
If you read any of Jane Austen’s works, knowing that this impresses college-educated anglo saxon women…you were a cold hearted calculator.
Welcome to the club.
Now that you just got through dinner filled with great conversation, you say “let’s have dessert at another place on the East Side. We can walk through the park to get there”.
Guess what? You sly devil. You just practiced game (venue change makes women like you more).
If you have the emotional courage – acting on emotion – to hold her hand while walking through Central Park…you sly devil…you just practiced game. Holding hands on the first date cements your intentions and her intentions and solidifies you as more of an alpha than beta because of the fact that it takes guts to do that on the first date.
Welcome to the club.
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