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Unplugging A Girl From Her iPod

May 28, 2010 by CH

Byron writes:

Reformed “nice guy” here with some feedback and solution to a problem I’ve not yet seen in your experience.

Your blog so succinctly highlights the disparity between what women say they want and what turns them on. A crucial distinction that your haters fail to grasp. Sure (most) women want a beta provider but the best fuck doesn’t come after vacuuming the lounge room floor on a Saturday afternoon. It should be obvious to all but the most deluded denialists that this isn’t a rigid dichotomy but a perfect LTR partner can combine both to raise a brood and resist enough shit tests to maintain dignity and remain attractive.

Today I finally solved a common problem affecting this  urban PUA – separating a woman (an easy 8 in this case) from her iPod. She sat next to me on the bus carrying a fashion bag with a label, blithely plugged into her pod. I casually pulled out my phone to “check Facebook” and after a few moments of indifference, gave her a lascivious look up and down and interrupted her with “Hey, what’s that store name on your bag ?”

She unplugged to tell me and I replied “I’m just going to pick out your new season’s wardrobe.” I was rewarded with a brief grimace, she plugged back in and she spent the next few minutes alternating glances between me and the store’s webpage. The bus ride was too short for any close but it was a good chance for some nonverbal game (smiles, raised eyebrows, nods, rolling eyes at the lingerie page) and I had successfully won her attention. Negs, common interest, rapport, innuendo, all in a packed bus with nary a word spoken.

This isn’t a half bad pickup opener to use on girls on buses and subways. It looks a little disjointed on paper, but I can see this working in the field with the right facial expressions. Logistics would have to be favorable as well; you’d need to be sitting or standing next to the girl. The neg as opener is also a favored tactic of mine.

The bigger theme here is how to get the attention of girls who are essentially deaf to the outside world thanks to their use of personal media players. Walk down any street in the city on any given day and at least half the hotties you pass will either be zoned out with headphones in their ears or tappity-tapping away text messages on their phones. And I’m guilty of this too. I can hardly walk a few blocks without using my iPod to listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The PMP revolution has been both a blessing and a curse for the urban womanizing warrior. Obviously, it makes it more difficult to grab a girl’s attention, but it also provides a DHV opportunity for the enterprising player who is willing and able to disarm the iPod obstacle. After all, the iPod has probably accounted for a 50% reduction in hookups because of all the men cockblocked by its presence. It’s every single girl’s substitute father figure brandishing a shotgun in your face.

It makes sense to think of iPods as the equivalent of cockblocks. Address the iPod first and disarm it. Make a nonverbal gesture with your hand to your ear signaling the girl to remove her earpiece. That’s one way to unplug her so she can hear you. Another way is to simply talk loudly enough so that the girl will be able to hear you over the dulcet tones of Karen O. Most girls will unplug if they think someone is trying to talk to them.

Opening girls who are walking down the sidewalk with iPods is more difficult. You’ve only got a brief window to catch her attention and she’s not going to hear you until you’re right on top of her. Nonverbally signaling her as you and her close distance is an option, but most girls are not going to remove their earpieces because some random dude walking toward them is gesturing for them to do so. You’d have to instead make strong eye contact and open your mouth as if you’re about to say something, as if you’re a tourist about to ask for directions. This is probably the most elegant way to cajole a girl to unplug so that she may fall victim to experience the full joy of your player charms.

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  1. on May 28, 2010 at 12:27 pm Jay

    Maybe I’m thinking about this the wrong way, but I don’t bother “opening” a girl with an ipod. There are enough without one to open.

    I wear an Ipod for 2 reasons:

    1. To enjoy the music
    2. To signal to others not to talk to me

    I find it extremely irritating when someone tries to talk to me when I’m wearing my ipod, and 9 times out of 10 I won’t take it off and let them blather away.

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  2. on May 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm The Truth

    Indicate with your fingers that she take her earphones off and then introduce yourself. It ain’t rocket science.

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  3. on May 28, 2010 at 12:38 pm Wtcantfw

    iPod game should have it’s own routine (if not chapter) in the pua handbook. “what are you listening to?” is a lame opener but you can tell a lot about a person from her iPod. All kinds of doors are opened for dhvs negs and general nonchalant wit. Also, see iPhone game post

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  4. on May 28, 2010 at 12:58 pm The Rookie

    I notice that when someone tries to talk to me on the metro while I’m listening to my iPod, I get upset. “Leave me alone dammit, can’t you see I’m listening to music?” My question is how to counter act it when the girl is acting the same way. Just plow through? Any good disarming phrases?

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  5. on May 28, 2010 at 1:02 pm OneSTDV

    This was a horrible pickup story. He basically just glanced at her a bunch of times as he didn’t even close.

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  6. on May 28, 2010 at 1:07 pm Backdoor Man

    A few years ago, my woman and I were walking to the dry cleaners on a Saturday afternoon. We were on Columbia Road, just west of 18th St, perhaps in front of the former Todito market or Perry’s.

    Anyhow, some dude walking toward us said something directly to my woman. We didn’t hear what it was exactly, but he apparently made a comment or asked a question about me, as a way to open her. We kept walking a few steps, then turned around. He was still there, half-turned toward us, with a cocky and inviting smirk on his face. My woman wanted to walk back to him to find out what he said, but I just took her elbow, knowing there was absolutely nothing to be gained by interacting with him.

    This was well before I found this blog, so it didn’t register at the time that the dude may have been Roissy. So, was that you, Roissy?

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  7. on May 28, 2010 at 1:07 pm Discord

    Ah, my precious mp3 player.

    I quite agree with Jay. I’m one of those who uses it to pass time, and avoid dealing with people. That, and I’m usually reading/drawing at the same time, so I doubly don’t really want to be bothered by people.

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  8. on May 28, 2010 at 1:25 pm P

    Bah. People are more interesting than anything that involves headphones. I’ll unplug to talk to anyone: male or female, young or old, polished or derelict. Hostile crazy people get one strike.

    Reading or drawing in public is a particular kind of display: you should expect to get chatted up.

    There’s only one book that has consistently brought me interest from girls though, and I’m not sharing. It ain’t Rilke, though.

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  9. on May 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm Philosopher

    On the one hand, having ear buds does make one less approachable.
    On the other hand, women want a man to put forth some effort.

    Reminds me of a true story-
    Long ago, I often wore Bose noise cancelling headphones when studying, especially in a public place. Years later, two different women told me headphones were a barrier that prevented them from approaching me. They thought it would be impolite. When I asked if it was OK for a guy to speak to them if they were wearing earphones, they were puzzled. Could a guy be blocked by headphones? One said, “It’s not like headphones are a wedding band or something. What does a girl have to do to get a guy to ask her out, wear a sign around her neck or something?”

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  10. on May 28, 2010 at 1:51 pm Dally

    I prefer your earlier advice about steering clear of women who are obsessed with media players, communication technology, facebook, etc.

    Women like this include a very high percentage of materialists, status-whores, social flakes, and sluts.

    A good litmus test for me has been to look at her Facebook. If she doesn’t even have an account, so much the better. If she has two or three hundred “friends” or more, run for the hills because she’s a social scheming, status whoring, alpha chasing ditz. If most of her “friends” are guys, same thing.

    Think about it – when you picture an elegant, honest, self-possessed, charming woman that you would want to be with, do you picture her constantly vying for social approval or obsessing over her friend status, or sending vapid texts all day like a junior high girl? Of course not.

    This doesn’t really apply to women listening to ipods, but if they are constantly texting or checking facebook on their mobile, forget about it.

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  11. on May 28, 2010 at 1:54 pm greatbooksformen

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    the girl takes teh ipod phones off looking at me starngely

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  12. on May 28, 2010 at 2:00 pm crazyshoe

    Why not just unplug it yourself?

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  13. on May 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm Discord

    @P: “Bah. People are more interesting than anything that involves headphones.”

    That depends on your perspective, and the subjects that you enjoy talking about. If you like small talk, your opinion is understandable. If you dislike small talk and prefer conversations with a little more meat to them (philosophy, science, the potential repercussions of the health care bill on the consumer level, etc.) then their potential for being interesting wanes.

    I can see drawing as potentially being a display (though, how are you going to improve if you don’t get out there and do life study?), but reading?

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  14. on May 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm Discord

    @crazyshoe:
    Because, unless you’re exceptionally good-looking, or charming, in order to counteract the exceptionally rude action you just took, you’re likely to now have a hostile on your hands.

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  15. on May 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm OI

    This is a scenario I’ve been looking for advice on. If you try to meet girls on public transportation (where I spend a lot of time), you’ll encounter iPod and phone blocks constantly.

    Getting her disconnected is good. Even better is a good opener that uses the phone or ipod as a prop to further conversation.

    The best I’ve come up with so far is:

    “You look like you’re writing the world’s most important text message. Are you sending nuclear secrets to Iran or something?”

    This might work well in DC because of the political angle. Any more ideas for openers that comment on the iphone and iPod? Let’s get a discussion going.

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  16. on May 28, 2010 at 2:05 pm Ammonium Nitrate

    Carry around a headphone splitter. If you see a target, whip it out (the splitter) and mime that you’d like to listen too.

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  17. on May 28, 2010 at 2:06 pm Badger Nation

    Oh boy, that index-of-haters post came in handy. I was reading another blog, and a commentor took a feminist to task about engagement rings, claiming they weren’t symbols of men owning women but symbols of [cue falsetto] “love and commitment.” I counter-commented that while engagement rings were symbolic, the American engagement ring custom had become conspicuous consumption and female entitlement. I got this back

    “if you are looking for me to trash women, you’ve come to the wrong place.

    Accusation of misogyny

    If you are looking for me to coddle you because women have hurt you or tried to use you, you’ve come crying to the wrong woman.

    Angry-and-bitter accusation…although women have tried to use me. I fart in their general direction.

    If you don’t want to get a woman an engagement ring, go right ahead, but don’t cry when you can’t find a quality woman who accepts that proposition, or if that woman rightly reads your commitment-phobia and lack of trust in her and acts accordingly.

    Bar-skank false premise

    If you want a woman who isn’t looking for a meal ticket, find one with her own earning power and sign a pre-nup – and be well-aware that she might out-earn you and might be the one to stand to lose from this deal.

    “You gotta do what women want” plus prenup canard…her world is bimodal, either entitled babes or ball-busters

    If none of that appeals, grow a set. Seriously, there is little more pathetic out there than men whining about how those women are so strong and evil.

    “Real Man” shaming

    By the way, I took family law – in law school, in order to get my JD. I am the WRONG person to snit to about that, m’kay?

    Gratuitous fanning of status
    ”

    This is like every predictable criticism at once! Do they teach this on Saturday mornings down at Girl Headquarters? (Check that: I guess that’s what Cosmo is for.)

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  18. on May 28, 2010 at 2:07 pm greatbooksformen

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    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-first-panacea-for-a-mismanaged-nation-is-inflation-of-the-currency-the-second-is-war-both-bring-a-temporary-prosperity-both-bring-a-permanent-ruin-but-both-are-the-refuge-of-political-and-eco/

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  19. on May 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm EastPole

    @OI
    That was terribly unclever and contrived. I hope you never use it.

    Regarding the discussion as a whole – this goes both ways.
    Often enough, I will also plug out when in public transit as it offers some minutes of peace/meditation in an otherwise dull day. In that respect, I sympathize with women who use it as an obstacle. Everyone has the right to some privacy, no matter how attractive they are. If you’ve had a shit day and want to buzz our to the new Frog Eyes record, be my guest.

    However… if your body language is open, you are smiling and making eye contact – despite being plugged into a pod, you are fair game. Being a music nerd, my favourite tactic is use of the double jack. A simple ‘Plug me in’ usually does the trick. You can invite a girl to share her tunes with you, without her missing out on the stereo effect. It’s bold, and fairly effective. Then you can neg her or DHV based on her music taste.

    Caveat being that this works well for SWPL/hipster chicks who take pride in their music collections, and will have something to follow up on. If she’s dressed Jersey Shore or looks stale/boring, don’t bother with this approach.

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  20. on May 28, 2010 at 2:18 pm EastPole

    @Ammonium
    You beat me to the punch, sir.

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  21. on May 28, 2010 at 2:23 pm greatbooksformen

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  22. on May 28, 2010 at 2:25 pm greatbooksformen

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  23. on May 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm Chief of the Slapaho Tribe

    Like every other kind of approach, the key here is to signal in a unique way, and not just gesture like every other kind of schlub.

    I prefer to whip out my mighty three-and-a-half incher and twirl it like a lasso while batting my eyelashes seductively.

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  24. on May 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm game_in_bk

    this review of sex in the city 2 is interesting.
    the female reviewer is female- on the one hand she criticizes the women for being immature.

    on the other she believes that the women settled for losers.

    here is a snippet:

    But even these relationships reflect a lack of maturity—three of the four characters settled on partners who are beneath them. In the first film, Carrie wound up marrying the emotionally abusive Mr. Big, who initially failed to show up to their society wedding, breaking her heart and humiliating her in front of everyone she knows. Miranda, a Harvard-educated attorney shacked up with the underachieving Steve, who watches Scooby-Doo, cheated on her, and, as we learn in one unfortunate episode, does not wipe himself properly.

    Charlotte married Harry even though she found him physically repulsive, because he is supposed to be sweet and caring (and, of course, the sex is good). In reality, however, Harry’s behavior is not exceptional—he is just nice enough. Harry initially seduced Charlotte while employed as her divorce attorney, when she was at her most emotionally vulnerable. Not exactly a shining example of professional ethics. Although Charlotte abandoned her faith and converted to Judaism for him, Harry couldn’t even be bothered to turn off the TV and talk to her when she cooked him their first Sabbath meal together.

    At the very least, it would have been nice to see them with satisfying mates. Perhaps Carrie could have ended up like Candace Bushnell, her real life alter-ego whose column inspired the series. Ms. Bushnell married Charles Askegard, a handsome, talented dancer with the New York City Ballet. Like the fictional Bridget Jones, Carrie could have snagged herself a Mark Darcy, a shy but good-hearted human rights attorney. Instead, she settled on Mr. Big, a bore with commitment issues.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/05/sex-and-the-city-2-so-much-for-aging-gracefully/57398/

    what do you think? are these men beneath the women they date?

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  25. on May 28, 2010 at 2:54 pm Stateside

    Off Topic, but relevant to your recent post about South Africa:

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article474414.ece/Bafana-rivals-robbed-at-World-Cup-hotel

    And so it begins.

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  26. on May 28, 2010 at 2:59 pm narzheewa

    I have noticed people of getting annoyed by gbfm’s spamming, so just get greasemonkey (if you are using firefox) and this script:
    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/58061

    In the beginning of the file, change

    var stupidPhrases = new Array (
    “Klarmachen[^a-z]+zum.*ndern”, /* just an example — dunno what the intention of that ones author might be */
    “ich\s+w[\&,;,a-z,0-9]{0,6}hle\sHasenpower”
    );

    to this:
    var stupidPhrases = new Array (“zzl”);

    And all you will see of gbfm’s posts are 2 pixel silvery horizontal bars. Ah, feels good. It works for other sites too, so you can add anything you want to see blocked out to stupidPhrases provided you follow the syntax ( ending closing parentheses, strings are enclosed between double quotes and separated by commas)

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  27. on May 28, 2010 at 3:04 pm j r

    I prefer your earlier advice about steering clear of women who are obsessed with media players, communication technology, facebook, etc.

    huh? there are women who aren’t obsessed with communication technology? it’s as if you said to a woman, “steer clear of men who like action movies and video games.”

    there’s a little bit of an endogeneity problem. attractive women are likely to be popular. and popular women are likely to indulge in activities that remind them of how popular they are. a lot of guys who post here seem to always be alluding to some idealized female who is beautiful, but doesn’t put much effort into her looks; who is feminine, but not high maintenance; and who is young, but incredibly mature. there’s like three of those girls in any given town.

    when i read roissy’s posts, i feel like i am reading someone who is out there every day in the world interacting with real women. some of you dudes who comment, on the other hand, it feels like you’re living in a world of your own imagination.

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  28. on May 28, 2010 at 3:22 pm Riff Dog

    OneSTDV – “This was a horrible pickup story. He basically just glanced at her a bunch of times as he didn’t even close.”

    What I find most troubling about this comment is not the comment itself, but the fact that it got 9 thumbs up and 0 thumbs down. I think a lot of people must not understand street game.

    Street game isn’t about an immediate close. This isn’t a nightclub. Street game is about encountering women in situations where they’re not expecting to get picked up. It’s about actually engaging a woman and . . . who knows what might happen from there?

    Street game is about the “what if’s.”

    What if they both happen to get off at the same stop and the game continues?
    Or what if he he sees her again on the same bus the next day?
    Or what if one of the outfits he showed her piqued her interest because she happened to already own it and couldn’t help herself from telling him?
    Or what if some other girl saw all this and was charmed by it?
    Or what if it was simply good practice and confidence building?

    Sounds like a pretty good story to me.

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  29. on May 28, 2010 at 3:35 pm Backdoor Man

    I’m with Riff Dog. Recently, I found myself on the metro platform with a certain cutie more than once, so I started talking to her. We bumped into each a couple more times and had quick chats. The last time, she opened with “I haven’t seen you for awhile.”

    Think about it….she got to the metro station every morning and was hoping to see me, based only a few quick interactions.

    I changed jobs soon after I met her, however, so my commute changed. It’s too bad, because she was quite riled up by the mystery, coincidence, and potential romance of it all.

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  30. on May 28, 2010 at 3:52 pm luis

    Anyone know of any podcasts similar to this? Need brain-dewashing

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  31. on May 28, 2010 at 4:23 pm jhbowden

    @game_in_bk “what do you think? are these men beneath the women they date?”

    I’ve always avoided watching what I believed was Tales from the Crypt. The franchise is actually known as Sex and the City, adored by millions of women and homosexual men.

    Aging, raunchy, self-obsessed hags with personality issues deserve to be kicked to the curb; there’s nothing unusual about creepy women nesting with schmoes.

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  32. on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 pm luis

    Riff dog; and Obama is president. Ain’t voting a motherfucka?

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  33. on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm ExtraStout

    I don’t even bother. Unless a girl gives me some slight indication that she’s interested, it’s not worth my time.

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  34. on May 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm greatbooksformen

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    Vocatus at que non Voctatus Deusadent

    H Martin
    English translation:Latin inscription – Erasmus
    Explanation:
    "Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit" is a Latin inscription meaning "Invoked or not invoked, God is present."

    The quote was made popular by Carl Jung, the eminent psychologist, who had the quote inscribed over the front door of his house, as well as on his tombstone.

    LZOZLZLLZZL

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  35. on May 28, 2010 at 5:05 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Look fuckers, the Ipod is basically just a bitch shield that is visible to the naked eye. That’s all.
    Like other bitch shields, it will be lowered quite willingly and eagerly if the bitch in question smells the first letter of the greek alphabet.

    In fact, for you aspiring casanova types, girls with Ipods are an ideal medium through which to test the strength of your approach: you can actually see whether, and/or how eagerly, the bitch shield comes down. If you can stand the brutal honesty.

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  36. on May 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Also, is it “butt-hex”, or is it “but-thex” (butθex), as in a written lisp? I always see the latter first, but I suspect that this puts me in a minority.

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  37. on May 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm Mr. N

    I read an article analogizing the China’s historic opium consumption with our modern media consumption.

    The western powers destroyed the will to work and interact by encouraging and exacerbating the already present problem of opium in China. Providing what the people wanted and making out like bandits, in the process undermining the stability of society.

    Today China is marketing and selling to the west cheap entertainment that makes us not interact with each other and provides an alternative to working.

    Will there be a Western Boxer Rebellion?

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  38. on May 28, 2010 at 5:11 pm greatbooksformen

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  39. on May 28, 2010 at 5:11 pm greatbooksformen

    butθex is how the illumatinit writes it r u with teh illuminaties? llzozlzlzlz

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  40. on May 28, 2010 at 5:16 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    dude it is butttthhhhhsshsssssexxthththxxx

    as in lishp

    and asshhoolle

    and dudthe

    and lothslollsolthsthstlollsllsolollththss

    Nice.

    And spot on — I absolutely can’t read the word “asshole” without mentally pronouncing it “as–shoal”.

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    on the glory of austrian eocnomics & the difference betwenn austrian eocnomics and keynsia ecnomics lzozllzll!! 684 views

    i can show you the way, neo, but you will have to walk it zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo 665 views

    to the ladies of our generation–how i wish–how i wish u were here lololzlol 662 views

    lozzloozozzl this is what i see when i listen to chix these days lzozllzlzlzl 543 views

    I love Roissy but he’s sooooo 1986 hottub time machine. lozlzlzlzl!! 278 views

    in dante’s inferno the fiat masters were in teh same level of hell as teh butthexers!!! i ma not making this up!!! omg lzozllzlzlz 268 views

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlzozzlzl !! bloging is so fun i hope 2 make my living doing this just like my heroine arianna huffingtonpost who was a conservtive beofre she became a liberal like the mens and pigs in animal farm lzozlzlzl as everyone in the dc beltway is fedneoconliberalfiatmaster against da common man who they butthex for fun & profit lzozlzl

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/chapter-9-of-orwells-animal-farm-jonah-goldberg-lzozll/

    Chapter 9 of Orwell’s Animal Farm & Jonah Goldberg lzozll!

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” –Chapter 9 of Orwell’s Animal Farm

    lozzllzzl!

    “The creatures outside looked from neocon to leftist, and from trotskyite to neocon, and from neocon to bolshevik again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    lzozlzl!

    reaidng is soooo mcuh fun that it sux that the bnecons have dumbed down our schools and deconstructed all teh cool boox so taht they can try to pass jonah “i am hackman” goldberg off as a writer. lzozll!

    fat chance!
    lozlzl

    oink oink
    oink oink . lzozlzl!!

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com

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  42. on May 28, 2010 at 5:22 pm greatbooksformen

    oops i think you guys got me wrong above

    let me spell better lozlzlzl

    dude it is butttthhhhhsshsssssexxthththxxx

    as in listhp

    and asthshthoolle

    and dudthe

    and lothslollsolthsthstlollsllsolollththss

    lotsha lithsp in it buttthhhexxx

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  43. on May 28, 2010 at 5:27 pm Whatever

    @ RiffDog

    Overall I agree with you. Day game is difficult and its all about long shot attempts at creating a spark…. somewhere, somehow, with someone… that will hopefully payoff someday.

    This guy’s story is about one of the hardest types of pickups, so any well thought out advice is helpful, regardless of the outcome.

    With that being said:

    I thumbs upped OneSTDV’s comment…. It’s a pretty beat story. Its about some dude making creepy faces and showing her the Nordstrom Website while she’s trying to listen to her IPod, until she gets to her stop and leaves. LOLLOL

    I understand his point and its well taken…. But if we’re gonna all publish our eye contact stories, I’m outta here. That LOL gets a Z

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  44. on May 28, 2010 at 5:58 pm Badger Nation

    I want to thank Gorbachev for his long, personal response to my question about teaching some basic game to a hopeless AFC whiteknighter friend. He’s right, that I can’t force anything on the man, so I will have to try to show him that his current way of going about things is counterproductive.

    My AFC friend has the unfortunately typical male defeatism, thinking that quality women are above him and he has to be satisfied with bar sluts doing something they’ll probably regret. This has been coupled with a few long one-itises. He needs a big dose of inner game; he may be unsalvagable.

    He’s also very masculine in his communication, in the sense that he views anybody verbally challenging him as a threat he responds to with more force instead of finesse-ful banter. So he’s awful with shit-tests. I feel some kinship since I was something like that in my beta days. His white-knighting, however, is so chumpy and annoying I want to punch him in the face.

    I must communicate to him my latest revision to “what is the one truth of game?”
    a. The Golden Rule is a poor rule across gender lines – women operate under a different system than men; they make sense, once you know the system.
    b. You can argue with a woman, but not with logic. Validity is determined by who has the highest social value. Ergo, win the group to win the argument.

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  45. on May 28, 2010 at 6:13 pm Gx1080

    From where I am, ALL girls are sticked to the damn cellphones 24/7 texting.

    You talk about the iPod/Music player Roissy, but how do you unplug a woman from their gossip-of-unimportant-crap network?

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  46. on May 28, 2010 at 6:33 pm Omega Dork

    Okay, my new theory is that GBFM is either
    Tucker Max or Ben Bernanke.

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  47. on May 28, 2010 at 6:40 pm greatbooksformen

    Okay, my new theory is that Omega Dork is either
    Tucker Maxth or Ben Bernankthe. lozlzlzl butthexers and usuers are in teh same levelth of dante’s infernoth so eitehr one would do lzozlzlzlzl!

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-first-panacea-for-a-mismanaged-nation-is-inflation-of-the-currency-the-second-is-war-both-bring-a-temporary-prosperity-both-bring-a-permanent-ruin-but-both-are-the-refuge-of-political-and-eco/

    lozlzlzlzlzlz!!!

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  48. on May 28, 2010 at 6:44 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    So yeah, I finally read the original post. Holy shit, what a ridiculous piece of ridiculous ridiculousness.

    and interrupted her with “Hey, what’s that store name on your bag ?”

    In my wildest dreams I can’t imagine this being met, by a halfway hot city girl, with anything other than, “Can’t you read?”

    This isn’t a half bad pickup opener to use on girls on buses and subways. It looks a little disjointed on paper, but I can see this working in the field with the right facial expressions.

    Nah. If this worked, it would work despite th. horrible opener. And starting to browse the website together — on a mobile device, no less — would probably come off with more than a tinge of stalker vibe.

    Of course, I don’t understand herb/fag game at all, so maybe I’m missing something big here.

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  49. on May 28, 2010 at 6:46 pm Eumaios

    I sort of like the idea of a “butt-hex” better.

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  50. on May 28, 2010 at 6:48 pm the realist

    tell her theres something wrong with her ears or shes going to damage her ears you can hear that shit from a mile away. Commence game.

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  51. on May 28, 2010 at 6:48 pm the realist

    All the better if she acts indignant and disagrees.

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  52. on May 28, 2010 at 7:04 pm LILGRL

    Nah. If this worked, it would work despite th. horrible opener. And starting to browse the website together — on a mobile device, no less — would probably come off with more than a tinge of stalker vibe.

    Yeah.

    I agree with whoever was up there saying they get upset when people interrupt their music. I also get upset. In fact, now that I have an iPhone, I get upset when people call me and my music stops playing.

    The worst part is, however, is that when I occasionally do take my earphones out to listen to the guy who’s been following me for three blocks and yelling at me, 99.9999999% of the time he has nothing to say. If you’re gonna interrupt my music, you’d darn better well have something good to say. Even “what are you listening to” would be better than what I usually hear.

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  53. on May 28, 2010 at 7:09 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Sheeeeyit.

    People, it’s what I wrote up there — the Ipod is just a visible bitch shield.

    If she even deigns to remove the headphones, you are basically IN, and you have moved into “ok kid, all you have to do is not fuck this up” territory.

    One effect that will probably be seen here, then, is higher-than-normal success rates with lame openers. Because, again, if she even removes the headphones in the first place (barring catholicly gregarious women), she really … wants … you … to … succeed.

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  54. on May 28, 2010 at 7:58 pm The Specimen

    Picking up on body language and nonverbal cues is a must for day game. For example, if you sit down near her and she looks at you more than once, you’re probably good to bust in on her little ipod cone of silence. Of course if she’s hot enough, why wait for a signal? Sure she might try to brush you off with one word answers at first, but if you play it cool and crack a couple jokes, more often than not, she’ll come around.

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  55. on May 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    99.9999999% of the time he has nothing to say.

    I know Mystery has his whole thing about women being approached 20,000 times by age 21 or whatever, but, a multiple of a billion?

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  56. on May 28, 2010 at 8:40 pm Eumaios

    Nine 9s. That’s some serious uptime.

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  57. on May 28, 2010 at 9:00 pm ahappinessexperiment

    i just realized what makes me a hater (had a breakthrough with my therapist). it’s the fucking seminars and courses! it reeks of the same phoniness as seminars on stock trading, buying real estate or Tony Robbins! it sounds too good to be true.

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  58. on May 28, 2010 at 9:14 pm LILGUY

    LILGRL, take your earbud off, I’ve got something to say:

    …

    …

    …

    let’s “butt-hex” while I secretly tape!

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  59. on May 28, 2010 at 9:50 pm vomlox

    A person caught up in the rushing waters of worldly devices is a person that will wind up lost at sea. She hides her pain behind overpriced consumer electronics, afraid to feel what her existence is truly made of. iPod girl is definitely not one with whom you’d build a life.

    Unless she listens to The Kinks.

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  60. on May 28, 2010 at 9:57 pm EastPole

    @vomrox
    Gold… or Sunset Rubdown.

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  61. on May 28, 2010 at 10:08 pm anoukange

    “And I’m guilty of this too. I can hardly walk a few blocks without using my iPod to listen to Earth, Wind and Fire”

    –I would have pegged you for more of an Air Supply guy…or maybe even Bread.

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  62. on May 28, 2010 at 10:21 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    iPod opener that works for me: “Hey, I can hear your music.”

    She: “Oh, sorry, I’ll turn it down.”

    Me: “No. I like it. Who is it and what’s the song?”

    I have had girls offer to let me listen from one bud while we rode together.

    I then ask them what other songs they have on it. Some I neg about, like if they have Culture Club. Others, I talk enthuastically about, especially the Dropkick Murphys or Flogging Mollys.

    One thing I recommend is that all guys buy the jack for their own iPod that lets two sets of earphones listen at the same time, because one of the things I do is say, “If you like [some group] then you gotta hear this song.” Then we double plug to hear a cool song on my iPod.

    Earlier, P mentioned he reads a book that gets him opened. The one book that gets me opened more than any other is “I Hope THey Serve Beer in Hell” by Tucker Maxx. I am amazed how many women have heard of it.

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  63. on May 28, 2010 at 10:36 pm Desert Cat

    I sort of like the idea of a “butt-hex” better.

    That’s the spell that Charlotte Allen cast on Lozllzy’s butt that let Ben Bernacke sodomize him while the neocon fiat bankers taped the whole scene, right?

    Or was it Bernacke taping while Charlotte Allen porked him with a strapon? I can never figure it out between all that lozozozzzlzlz’ing…

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  64. on May 28, 2010 at 10:38 pm Desert Cat

    –I would have pegged you for more of an Air Supply guy…or maybe even Bread.

    You are being facetious, of course. Air Supply–theme band of the butt-hexed herb.

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  65. on May 28, 2010 at 10:49 pm polymath

    ahappinessexperiment,

    Breakthrough indeed. I’m a good autodidact, and I have concluded that there is almost no body of knowledge that can only be learned by paying for it. On principle I will not pay to be taught anything unless there is a time constraint. But you have to have be really good at searching stuff out — the importance of any piece of knowledge is almost entirely unrelated to the difficulty of finding it, so you need to cast a very wide net to make sure you don’t miss anything important

    For Game, I learned everything I needed from a few websites, with this one being the best of them. (Everything theoretical that is; of course mastering this subject requires practice in the field too.)

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  66. on May 28, 2010 at 10:56 pm greatbooksformen

    loxlzlzlzlzzozlzlzl dester cat i am so psyched that i am being included in all your dreams now lozlzozzllzllzlzl which you describe as:

    “I sort of like the idea of a “butt-hex” better.

    That’s the spell that Charlotte Allen cast on Lozllzy’s butt that let Ben Bernacke sodomize him while the neocon fiat bankers taped the whole scene, right?

    Or was it Bernacke taping while Charlotte Allen porked him with a strapon? I can never figure it out between all that lozozozzzlzlz’ing…”

    it is sooooo cool that so many of you are on the uptake of how the world and ny publishing works under the finat butthexing matrix rulez lzolzlzlzllzlzl i have only had to repeat mysleftf a couole times and already u are not only catching on but dremaing of strap ons and inmprovising too and that is good to see my top students doing zlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzl the force is strong with you and someday you will meet your yoda and he will teeeeech u to butthex with two 2 strapons one on the back and one on teh front as you are samwhiched by tucker max and ben benernake and doingthem both at the same time and filming it with two flip cams–one ein either one fo your hands–as you go back and forth and back and ofrth and in and out of tucker and ben and shcalotte allen stakes notes on how tucker max is six feet tall for teh wneocns weekly standard lzozlzlzlzl lololoxlozlzlzllz while us marines bleed 2 death in foreign fiat funded wars on foreign shores so that teh sex and the cities chicks can get more random cock and cheaper handbags lzozlzlzllz instead of kids lzozlzllzlzlzlzlz as teh fed depopulate sthe world except for tehmselsslsslsl

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  67. on May 28, 2010 at 11:05 pm Kate

    The only way me removing headphones happens without significant annoyance on my part is if a cute boy smiles at me and points at a map. If he’s asking for directions that seems like a good excuse.

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  68. on May 28, 2010 at 11:12 pm anoukange

    “You are being facetious, of course. Air Supply–theme band of the butt-hexed herb.”

    –yes, I was joking. It was a nod to the glorious 70’s music. Although EW&F have a lot more soul. But hey man, it takes game to be “makin love outta nothin at all”.

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  69. on May 28, 2010 at 11:13 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Polymath

    I am not sure if you mean the WF scale to involve more than pure genetically endowed looks — if attitude, clothes, body art, etc., can be considered then of course it can diverge greatly from the PB (pure beauty scale).

    Yeah, I’m including all that stuff. Looks is obviously the most important factor, but “wanna fuck” is hardly a function of looks alone. Hardly at all.

    Even if you only look at unadorned physical appearance, PB and WF still differ, but only slightly — WF gives figure a higher weight relative to face. Thus a 6 face with a 9 body might translate to WF8 or PB7.5. (By the way, I sometimes see ratings preceded by the letters HB, what does that stand for? Hotness/Beauty?)

    “HB” is a pua community thing. The generally understood meaning is “hot babe/bitch” (you rarely see this acronym below a 7 or so), but I’ve seen “honey bunny” cited as an alternate etymology.

    I’m not feelin the decimal ratings; that’s trying too hard. Eleven integers 0-10 is plenty enough for me.
    In most situations, four numbers is enough: 0 = quit it, 1 = hit it don’t admit it, 2 = hit it admit it, 3 = keep it.

    —

    @ Gorbachev

    Look man, size 0-2 is just too thin in my book. I have a sickness for the (good kind of) thickness.

    My favorite type has slender muscular calves, athletic shoulders, a flat (but not ripped) stomach, thick upper thighs, impossibly big tits (silicone is fine, if not preferred), thick juicy lips, and a big ass. A body that screams “fertility”, not “runway”. I really don’t like the willowy look, especially in the thighs.

    I’d take a size 8 over a size 0 any day of the week, no question.

    I once went on a (relatively light) cycle of winstrol, during which even the size 12-14 chicks started to look pretty good if they were dressed slutty enough. But still not the 0’s.

    Basically, I have the tastes of a black man. But there are a lot of us out there.

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  70. on May 28, 2010 at 11:14 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Fuck. Wrong thread.

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  71. on May 28, 2010 at 11:52 pm Desert Cat

    But hey man, it takes game to be “makin love outta nothin at all”.

    And then it is all shot to hell in a basket case of beta supplication when:
    “I’m all outta love,
    I’m so lost without you
    I know you were right believing for so long
    I ‘m all out of love,
    What am I without you?
    I can’t be too late to say that I was so wrong!”

    I swear that kind of stuff seemed to work so well back then. I cant’ tell you how many slow dances I danced with girls to Air Supply…

    Another decade, another sensibility.

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  72. on May 28, 2010 at 11:56 pm Desert Cat

    loxlzlzlzlzzozlzlzl dester cat lozlzozzllzllzlzl lozozozzzlzlz
    finat butthexing matrix rulez lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzl butthex tucker max and ben benernake tucker and ben and shcalotte allen lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzl tucker max lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzlneocns weekly standard lzozlzlzlzl lololoxlozlzlzllzlzozlzlzllz lzozlzllzlzlzlzlz

    Can I get a translator in here?

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  73. on May 29, 2010 at 12:12 am greatbooksformen

    one of the bestest ways 2 get laid is to pull the ipod reversal.

    with a video ipod, go to your local coffee shop and sit next to a hot chick and fire up teh video:

    after awhile she’ll go “could you please keep it down?” because you’re singing aloud with it.

    then look at the chick and say,

    “once upon a time i was falling in love.”

    then shrug. and say.

    “but now i’m only falling apart.”

    “and if you only hold me tight,
    we’ll be holding on forever.”

    bevcause the song was composed in the pre-bernankified era before the chick desouling programs kicked in with all the desouling with the butthexing and dirty sanchezing of chicks, she might not understand concepts such as “forever,” “bright eyes,” and “love.”

    that’s when you fire up something she understands–doggystyle:

    there is a 2010 version out there where they’;re doin’ doggystuyle but it’s butthex lozlzlzlzlzlzl

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  74. on May 29, 2010 at 12:13 am Original JB

    I always pegged Roissy for an ABBA man.

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  75. on May 29, 2010 at 12:14 am greatbooksformen

    dude it’s so fucking obvious what it all means: “loxlzlzlzlzzozlzlzl dester cat lozlzozzllzllzlzl lozozozzzlzlz
    finat butthexing matrix rulez lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzl butthex tucker max and ben benernake tucker and ben and shcalotte allen lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzl tucker max lzolzlzlzllzlzlzlzolzlzlzlzlzlzlzlneocns weekly standard lzozlzlzlzl lololoxlozlzlzllzlzozlzlzllz lzozlzllzlzlzlzlz

    Can I get a translator in here?”

    just read it for yourself.

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-first-panacea-for-a-mismanaged-nation-is-inflation-of-the-currency-the-second-is-war-both-bring-a-temporary-prosperity-both-bring-a-permanent-ruin-but-both-are-the-refuge-of-political-and-eco/

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  76. on May 29, 2010 at 12:28 am Polymath

    Epox87,

    I’m replying here because the other thread is too big to load without crashing my browser….

    I agree decimal ratings are too much, but I use X.5 because it’s slightly easier to understand than X 1/2. Sometimes you can be in between a 7 and an 8.

    I use 1-10 because really who cares about, or even wants to contemplate, the difference between a 0 and a 1?. It also provides a nicer would/wouldn’t mapping (1-5 no, 6-10 yes). My complete qualitative scales for both PB and WF are as follows:

    Pure Beauty
    10 Goddess
    9 Gorgeous
    8 Hot
    7 Cute
    6 Okay
    5 Plain
    4 Homely
    3 Ugly
    2 Hideous
    1 Monster

    Fuckability
    10 Would destroy your life for it
    9 Worth extreme effort
    8 Worth significant effort
    7 Definitely if opportunity arises
    6 Wouldn’t mind
    5 OK if drunk or she has a nice personality
    4 OK as a humanitarian act if she has a lovely personality
    3 Always reflects badly on you
    2 Only at gunpoint
    1 Not even at gunpoint

    Another interpretation in terms of attractiveness in a social setting

    10 Can’t think about anything else, stalk
    9 Can’t look away, strong urge to approach
    8 Keep looking back at, proximity exciting
    7 Enjoy looking at/being near
    6 Maintains interest
    5 Distractable
    4 Uncomfortable
    3 Displeasure, avoidance
    2 Can’t look at
    1 Can’t be in same room with

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  77. on May 29, 2010 at 12:57 am greatbooksformen

    http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/GBFM

    Acronym Definition
    GBFM Global Boreal Forest Mapping

    lozlzlzlzlz!!!!

    they misphelled Butthex as Boreal!! lzozlzlzl naughty nuaghty! the neocon lady editors will be mad mad mad!! lzozlzlzlzlzzl

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  78. on May 29, 2010 at 12:59 am greatbooksformen

    omg my girl is getting off work early so goodnight! lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzozlozlozlzlzllzz girl of the weeek that is zlzolzlzlzlz

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  79. on May 29, 2010 at 1:16 am ahappinessexperiment

    my beauty scale for women, like hurricanes, is logorithmic. empirically, i have found this to be the case. this explains why there are so few 10s but so many 7s. a 10 is 1000 times rarer than a 7, because they are 1000 times more beautiful.

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  80. on May 29, 2010 at 3:20 am greatbooksformen

    holy fucking shit i am not fucking kidding you this chick over right now had this on her ipod and just showed it 2 me… i am going to butthex her over and over as we listen to it but please please do not tell her i’ll be videotaping it secretively as i want charlotte lallen to laud my heroic butthex acts in the weekly standath and i want a bg ny necon book deal lzozlllzlzlzlzllzzlzlzlzl

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  81. on May 29, 2010 at 4:43 am Lemmy

    I’m not impressed either. We’re just re-enforcing his beta-ness by even critiquing this “pick up”.

    I guess it’s a good start, but he still has a long way to go.

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  82. on May 29, 2010 at 6:32 am Max

    Hey roissy can you do a post on how to muff dive without appearing beta. !?

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  83. on May 29, 2010 at 6:39 am Paul

    I think the people here are unfamiliar with long term flirtatious game. There have been girls I’ve run into many times on campus, and exchanged words, but no names/numbers were exchanged. Then one day, BAM, look who is next to me at the library? Works great. Actually decreases “stalker” feeling many girls claim to have because you don’t just start hitting on her out of the blue.

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  84. on May 29, 2010 at 10:17 am prawnster

    I recently had the pleasure of conversing (that’s “conversating” for all the under-30 subliterates out there) with a girl at the gym who always wears an mp3 player while she works out. I have had my eye on her for months, maybe years, but never approached because of the ipod barrier.

    She was sitting in the sauna, still listening to her player and reading a magazine. I came in, and she did not stop listening. Her player was loud — I could hear it clearly. At one point it sounded like she turned it off, but it was actually just a pause between songs. In that pause I made some innocuous remark about the sauna, and she replied. A new song started, but she immediately turned it off and took out her earphones. We had a pleasant conversation about various crap, and it turns out that she is very sweet, and much prettier than I imagined (I have lousy distance vision).

    We talked maybe five minutes, then she had to leave for work. I said “we’re not done yet”, grabbed her by the waist, flipped her around, bent her over the bench, and pounded her with excessive manfullness– exactly three epic thrusts — Atlas Shrugged style; Alissa Rosenbaum would be proud. She orgasmed six times, once in and once out with every dry thrust.

    And then I woke up. No close.

    I generally think that ipods = leave me alone, but maybe it doesn’t always mean that. Maybe ipods = go away unless you say something engaging. Alternative topic: was Rosenbaum (aka Ayn Rand) a virgin?

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  85. on May 29, 2010 at 10:55 am Grampa

    Just to share an observation of our current American social situation.

    Went to a strip bar last week, unknowingly, since they were having a big male dancing contest. All I saw coming and going from the club were overweight black females, although there were a few whites there too. (There is nothing like seeing a large number of Africans together, in one large group, to make you appreciate white women.)

    Went to the movies this weekend. Sex and the City was sold out for the 8:00 p.m. show. (I was going to the Prince of Persia.) The line up for Sex and the City was composed exclusively of very, very, average looking white females.

    When they showed Twilight last month or so, it was sold out and the line was composed of white females, many of them Goths.

    When they ask you where all the good men are, just tell them, “They are busy looking for good women. That’s not easy these days. Now, where were we?”

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  86. on May 29, 2010 at 11:10 am Badger Nation

    “I generally think that ipods = leave me alone, but maybe it doesn’t always mean that. Maybe ipods = go away unless you say something engaging.”

    For me, an iPod means “I am enjoying myself listening to quality music.” Unfortunately, most people I see using iPods are wasting valuable listening time on Mika, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or some other crap music.

    On the theory that iPods are bitch shields or go-away signs: being garrulous is prized in society, so in general people don’t want to view signs of “don’t talk to me.” The only exception appears to be women getting hit on by men; then it’s OK to not want to talk to him, and if he doesn’t read your signs then he is supposedly a jerk (and in PUA terms he’s not reading right).

    Sometimes I’m feeling introverted and don’t want to talk, and people just blather on trying to get me to talk back when it’s clear I’m just not interested in talking right now. And then I’M the bad guy in society because I’m not interested in whatever it is they have to say.

    Lots of people would do well to just shush sometimes. I’ve noticed that is a good game tip.

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  87. on May 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm Discord

    “Sometimes I’m feeling introverted and don’t want to talk, and people just blather on trying to get me to talk back when it’s clear I’m just not interested in talking right now. And then I’M the bad guy in society because I’m not interested in whatever it is they have to say.”

    Quoted for truth.

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  88. on May 29, 2010 at 12:22 pm Joel

    Epoxytocin No. 87
    In most situations, four numbers is enough: 0 = quit it, 1 = hit it don’t admit it, 2 = hit it admit it, 3 = keep it.

    Do you really think you’re in a position to be waffling on and on about female beauty, since you’ve shacked up with lilugly now, buddy?

    I have a sickness for … thickness.

    Ah. nevermind.

    But still, that face. Ugh. It’s 0-1 by your own scale.

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  89. on May 29, 2010 at 12:32 pm Ronin

    Max

    “Hey roissy can you do a post on how to muff dive without appearing beta. !?”

    GBFM, take it away!!

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  90. on May 29, 2010 at 1:23 pm Lemmy

    @Paul

    Light flirtation is a good way to make girls comfortable around you, yes. But you definitely won’t give her the “‘gina tingle” that you would have given her had you acted on the initial opportunity.

    You MIGHT see her later in the library or on campus, but even then I guarantee she will be more guarded than she would if you had taken control earlier on. She is expecting you to be experienced enough to know when to strike. For the most part, strike hard and strike early or you end up looking weak.

    Seeing a girl and not acting when you had the chance makes you look insecure or unsure about what to do next. Women have seen that guy a hundred times. Don’t be that guy.

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  91. on May 29, 2010 at 3:33 pm omarion

    “Look man, size 0-2 is just too thin in my book. I have a sickness for the (good kind of) thickness.

    My favorite type has slender muscular calves, athletic shoulders, a flat (but not ripped) stomach, thick upper thighs, impossibly big tits (silicone is fine, if not preferred), thick juicy lips, and a big ass. A body that screams “fertility”, not “runway”. I really don’t like the willowy look, especially in the thighs.

    I’d take a size 8 over a size 0 any day of the week, no question.

    I once went on a (relatively light) cycle of winstrol, during which even the size 12-14 chicks started to look pretty good if they were dressed slutty enough. But still not the 0′s.”

    I’m with you except for the fake tits. Silicone is a massive turn-off as far as I’m concerned.

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  92. on May 29, 2010 at 5:08 pm Jeffrey of Troy

    @Max
    “Hey roissy can you do a post on how to muff dive without appearing beta. !?”

    Lickin pussy is for pussies. Suck on your own middle finger for a few seconds, then slip it in there and wiggle it around in slow motion for a minute or two; she’ll be ready for pumping.

    When she complains about you never licking her pussy, tell her “that’s what you women have each other for.”

    @Badger
    “For me, an iPod means “I am enjoying myself listening to quality music.” Unfortunately, most people I see using iPods are wasting valuable listening time on Mika, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or some other crap music.”

    aw, why you gotta be hatin on Lady Hermaphrodite? She’s so fierce!

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  93. on May 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm Anonymous

    To quote Snoop Dogg on women: “You don’t love me. You just love my doggystyle!”

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  94. on May 29, 2010 at 9:51 pm sprutsky

    very easy.

    Get their attention, when they unplug ask them to do a small irrefusable favor for you such as watch your bag for a second.

    Come back, and then say thanks. Game it from there.

    Here is an example of what I did.

    11PM:

    Im in Toronto airport, pretty drunk just chugged 2 pints with my buddies before we parted ways. I stumble back to my gate, and notice that the plane is delayed for 3 more hours. Fuck. At least I had vouchers. So I keep on moving like I have a purpose, and covertly scope out all the people waiting at the gate….Ugly as a I expected them to be.

    But wait, all as not lost. I saw a hot chick by the gate! Shit…she was sitting on the carpeted floor against the wall and a little side- partition, headphones on her head, watching a movie on her laptop. This was going to be tough.

    I move in and throw down my bags beside her and get her attention and tell her to watch my stuff, and then point at my bags. I take a leak and think my gameplan over.

    I go back and get her attention again…I say “Hey…Im going to tim hortons right now to get some coffee, but Im paying with a meal voucher. The catch is that I can’t get change so I have to spent the whole $10. Whadd’ya want?”

    She seemed hesitant but I returned with coffee, donuts, etc…and then I just started talking to her fluffing etc…
    Ended up getting her #.

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  95. on May 30, 2010 at 10:50 am Plank

    @ anouk

    Good bone structure, symmetrical facial features, large/almond eyes, full lips, long/lush hair and delicate jaw line do not equal a 5 face rating. …A 5 is an average face with no features that stand out. …Add my figure into the mix and I’m in the high 7′s –and fully decked out, at times, possibly even an 8. And that’s at 32 years old, which when meeting me, no one ever thinks I’m 32. .. My style and the way I carry myself helps to support my rating… My voice is soft and husky, and my demeanor friendly and somewhat flirtatious.

    Seems I’m late to the party…Some clarifications.

    I can only go by the pics you have posted of yourself – and not your voice or how you carry yourself etc. I agree those factors have a massive impact on a woman’s attractiveness, but the 5 was based strictly on your face, and not your personality, voice, or body.

    I went by this pic on your id – which I thought was the most ‘accurate’ shot of you. The other pics are nicer, but they only show half a face – and everyone looks better when you can only see half a face. You look really nice in the one where you’re drenched in red too, but …you’re drenched in red, and everyone looks considerably better when their complexion and coloring is evened out like that.

    5 is not an insult, and my assessment stands. It means there is nothing wrong with the face (and there is nothing wrong with yours, except the distracting moles/freckles on your nose), but yes, it is an average face where nothing grabs out. I’m not sure my definition of large eyes or full lips agrees with yours. Your eyes and lips are not small/thin, but they are not large or particularly pouty by my book, either. Agree with you these are attractive features, when a person does have them. And while you do have long lush hair, I have an aversion to mousy coloured hair. That’s just my personal preferences, and I’m sure other guys don’t care as much about that factor.

    I agree with you, you have a GREAT figure, especially for your age. I’d give your figure a 9 or 10 for figure if you were a little taller, and a hint more curvy (in the right places). I also agree with you that you probably a 7 or a high 8 when you’re glammed up. You basically have nice features and the kind of face where lipstick and eyeliner would make a dramatic difference in terms of attractiveness.

    It’s funny, because my post was actually partially meant to be a defense of you, when someone said you were “about as attractive” as lilgrl?!!? Preposterously insulting.

    You rate yourself a 7, I rated you a 6.5 which isn’t that far off. Far too much hate for what is essentially a 0.5 point of difference. Moreover, I have no problem telling you that – putting aside my personal preferences – that I can see why you would be a 7 or even an 8 – easily – to a whole lot of guys.

    Peace.

    PS. Similarly my assessment of lilgrl stands. Flat, wide, down syndrome Asian face with thick Black body. The worst of both worlds. Gross.

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  96. on May 30, 2010 at 9:00 pm Supernaut

    Eye contact first, smile, then confidently ask ‘what are you listening to?’ She will inevitably take them off. Game on from there. Many girls actually welcome the interruption. My lays from this exact approach? 3

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  97. on May 30, 2010 at 9:38 pm anoukange

    Plank-

    My face is not a 5. This is not in defensive of myself, this is not to argue with you, it is simply not a 5. I have traveled, I am employed in the aesthetic arts, I was around model faces for some time and my face is not a 5. I guess it’s the photos. If I were a 5, you have my word (which I know, means shit on the internet, but I think at the very least, I’ve proven I’m shamelessly honest) I would say I’m a 5. Listen, I like other types of female faces more so than my own but I know where mine stands in the mix and your assessment does not match up with real life. I would actually leave this alone but if I make a comment and you think I read as a 5 in the world, than it discredits my weight or the comment a bit. I don’t like that. I’d admit to my face having flaws, absolutely, but people seem to respond to my somewhat exotic looks while in the US and my eyes get me attention. Believe me, they stand out, too much so, they are dominant on my face.

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  98. on May 30, 2010 at 10:00 pm anoukange

    also, you’re overall of a 6.5? No. I’m a 7.5/8. I suspect I’m an 8 to 85% of guys but I’ll go lower here due to you not seeing me in person. I give myself a 7 due to my own high standards of female beauty, but I read as a7.5/8 in society, I can tell by how people respond to me.

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  99. on May 30, 2010 at 10:07 pm Tim

    Flat, wide, down syndrome Asian face with thick Black body.

    lolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  100. on May 30, 2010 at 10:25 pm dana

    what kind of mentally ill woman spends all of this time trying to convince a bunch of internet strangers she is good looking

    have you lost your motherfucking mind?

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  101. on May 30, 2010 at 10:44 pm anoukange

    dana-

    You are a spiteful, hateful, obviously ugly woman who spends her time making 80% of her comments directed towards me. Get a fucking life already. Stop wrongly assuming my motives and substituting your own warped, sad, and very butch-like take on why I do what I do. I get the feeling you’ve harassed other girls in your past you bitter, bitter strap-on wearing brute. What kind of woman bullies another woman?? You have a lot of spare time time it would seem.

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  102. on May 30, 2010 at 11:28 pm Plank

    @ anouk

    Your face is a 5 to *me*, from your own photos that you have posted on your own site. Again, its not even meant to be an insult. Coupled with your body and style etc etc, I’m sure your over all attractiveness is not held back with having a plainer face (that looks good made up lightly).

    Or maybe your face just looks better in real life, given all the attention you say you get where ever you go. Good for you!

    @ Dana

    I know, right?

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  103. on May 31, 2010 at 1:16 am old guy

    CATFIGHT !!!

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  104. on May 31, 2010 at 1:30 am Tim

    Anoukange, there is no way you are 8, or even a 7. The most generous ranking is 6.5. Your personality drags your overall score down to a 5.

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  105. on May 31, 2010 at 1:56 am unlearning genius ...

    anouk is a attention seeking whore .. .. stop feeding it …

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  106. on May 31, 2010 at 1:59 am unlearning genius ...

    dana is obviousky a well informed critically thinking poster …with a solid grip on reality .. anouk on the other hand due to her looks or whatever has absolutely zero bearing on OBJECTIVE reality .. the crash for her as she ages and her beauty power declines will be very drastic indeed and it will be more painful than it has to be because anouk is so fucking stupid …

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  107. on May 31, 2010 at 2:18 am mjay

    Big, Armenian eyes, lush Mediterranen lips, perfect teeth..
    9.

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  108. on May 31, 2010 at 2:42 am Anonymous

    Recently I was just finished doing my morning run, and another runner who I have seen frequently, but always wore her Ipod was parked next to my ride. I got her attention, and when she took out her earbuds, I asked.

    Don’t you hate it when some guy you hardly know makes you stop listening to a really good song just to ask you a really stupid question?

    She started to answer, but I cut her off with:

    Coffee or tea?… but I am buying the first round.

    Soon as she answered, I said follow me.

    She looked at me, and asked where I was parked.

    I pulled out my remote and chirped off my alarm.

    She laughed with both her eyes and her smile and called me a stalker.

    I raised my eyebrows as I opened my door, and calmly replied

    But missy, I was here first, so that makes you my stalker. And you’d better be a good stalker or I will complain to the management.

    We had coffee with kino @my place.

    Moral of the story:
    Ipod girls are waiting for Alpha’s to open them, while betas look on from a distance.

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  109. on May 31, 2010 at 4:25 am Jayz

    “anouk is a attention seeking whore .. .. stop feeding it …”

    Agreed.

    Just vote her posts down and move on.

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  110. on May 31, 2010 at 7:57 am anoukange

    I figured my fan club would be out in force over this.

    Unlearning…how you woo me so…. with your romantic words of love! I blush! Really I do. Please keep posting about me and keep our e-affair alive.

    Is everything motivated by attention for you all? hmmmm…not for me. I find analyzing certain things fascinating and would devote just as much time if the topic were of someone else. I’ve received enough attention in my life, thanks. Just chatting here. It really does reflect on your bitter hearts as to how you comment…I’m sorry you get laid so infrequently that many of you are in endlessly foul moods. ho, hum…as such is life. Notice I have not spent any of my time dissing anyone (unless under attack)…I just don’t carry hate in my heart they way some of you do. Sorry life is so lousy for some of you. 😦

    Reality is relative. If bitterness clouds your gaze, well, then you would be assigning me the motive of attention seeking. If you are a healthy, well-rounded bloke or gal, well then, you would see it as just casual discussion. I don’t date from the internet, I do not seek a guy or mate from the internet, so what good does it do to try and up myself here? Oh, and the more you vote me down, the more people come over to my site so you may want to reconsider. After all, you would be contributing to my attention getting. idiots.

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  111. on May 31, 2010 at 8:05 am anoukange

    people, stop coming over to my site, really….it will just keep feeding my already massive ego. I won’t be able to get through doorways.

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  112. on May 31, 2010 at 8:51 am sdaedalus

    Anouk

    I wouldn’t worry too much about your exact rating. Roissy (who can hardly be described as undiscriminating as regards women) specifically said you were cute on another thread. Anyone here who has read the photo submissions threads knows that a “cute” from this particular source means that your facial aesthetic definitely rates higher than “5”.

    A lot of other lady commenters would be envious of such a compliment no doubt. I would just leave it and move on, this discussion has gone on far too long. An imprimateur from Roissy should really be enough for any of the other commenters in this regard. I can’t see what more is required.

    Really, life is too short – why bother trying to please everyone? It’s not possible. Does it really matter anyway? From what I’ve seen, I’m not sure a 10 has any better hope of finding lasting happiness in a relationship than a 5, possibly even the opposite.

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  113. on May 31, 2010 at 9:28 am Eumaios

    anoukange: “I’m sorry you get laid so infrequently that many of you are in endlessly foul moods.”

    A serpent shows her stripes.

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  114. on May 31, 2010 at 10:28 am anoukange, shamer « Riding with the King

    […] because her best lunacies come out at the ends of comment threads, after interactions with others. Case in point: Is everything motivated by attention for you all? hmmmm…not for me. I find analyzing certain […]

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  115. on May 31, 2010 at 10:38 am sdaedalus

    Eumaios

    There is no glory in picking on an easy victim, particularly one who has done nothing to hurt you.

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  116. on May 31, 2010 at 11:13 am Plank

    That’s true sdaedalus, especially since the ‘victim’ in this case, parodies herself better than anyone else could hope to.

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  117. on May 31, 2010 at 11:18 am sdaedalus

    “Target” then, if you prefer this to victim.

    But the principle is the same.

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  118. on May 31, 2010 at 2:29 pm Eumaios

    Some good little doggie yelped: “Stop picking on anoukange!”

    The act of shaming does not seek glory for the actor.

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  119. on May 31, 2010 at 2:36 pm biktopia

    Always thumbs up for you Anouk!

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  120. on May 31, 2010 at 3:05 pm Polymath

    anouk,

    Give it a rest. We all know that male tastes vary and that some men like your face a lot — accept that there are other men for whom your face is a 5. You don’t have to have EVERYONE like you, and you’re letting yourself be baited.

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  121. on May 31, 2010 at 3:28 pm sdaedalus

    @Eumaios
    some good little doggie yelped: “Stop picking on anoukange!”

    I make no apology for yelping at unnecessary and pointless cruelty. See query re. point of your actions below.

    The act of shaming does not seek glory for the actor

    So tell me, what does it seek? What exactly is the point of you putting up a post on your blog shaming Anouk? She’s already been shamed on this blog, over and over and over again. Your shaming is superfluous.

    You have of course the choice whether or not to allow Anouk to comment on your blog. As far as I’m aware though, she has never actually commented on it, so banning her might also be a bit superfluous.

    Anouk is generally sympathetic to guys other than Roosh. She’s friendly and pleasant except when attacked. You may not approve of everything she’s done, but no one’s past is squeaky clean. Okay, she finds it hard to let things go, but she’s not the only one round here who has difficulty doing this.

    I can’t see the point of your post shaming her, apart from
    (a) a desire to increase blog traffic (if so, at least have the decency to admit it)
    (b) hatred (I can’t understand this at all, she has never personally attacked you)
    (c) a desire to stop her from commenting on this site (not really anyone’s business except Roissy’s, also shaming hasn’t exactly stopped this to date, rather increased it)
    (d) defence of morality (let he who is without sin….)

    But if you feel there is good justification for what you’ve done, why not bark back and tell us?

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  122. on May 31, 2010 at 3:58 pm anoukange

    A little chat off to the side can’t happen here I see. I would prefer to handle any long running discussions via private emails but alas….

    Poly-

    thanks luv, it was in fun. Plank and I are cool with it, it is many others who felt the need to join in. It’s not matter of pleasing everyone–it was to see where we all are coming from. Gorbachev says he a 6/6.5, I appreciate that, him posting where he’s coming from as the world tends to see him–and him and I had a nice exchange that remained polite. I wish all commenters would post pics of themselves, every last one. I promise to not assault and accuse them of attention seeking. It’s not for attention, it’s for noting some of the basic information of each other before discussion ensues. This not a dating website and I’m not here to use it as such. I view all of you as friends, even if you post nasty comments. That’s cool. I can take it, considering the source most of the time.

    Eumaios-

    Come on dude, I’m under attack, I have to assume that the stranger attacking has some extra time on their hands, enough time to piece together comments to insult me and bring “web glory” to themselves. Shaming language? Hey, one should not feel shame if they are not our getting laid. But if they are a miserable fuck, the fact that they aren’t getting laid becomes my problem so I then bring it up. I will never shame a cool guy, whether he be beta or alpha. And you’re right about the parody…it’s a full on character now…and what fun I’m having! 🙂

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  123. on May 31, 2010 at 4:47 pm anoukange

    Eumaios-

    I’m cracking up–
    You wrote an entire post about me, with my name in the title, so it will pop up when searched for, around one hi-lighted sentence. Through all my dribble, and god knows there’s a shit ton, you find that sentence and take off for the hills, back to your computer and plug out a post on how I hate men and I’m really a shaming snake in disguise. I stand up to assholes, unfortunately for me, I do this in a very girly way (see:dumb, spontaneous, emotional, with touches of thoughts here and there) but I’m nice to guys who aren’t assholes to me. I would guess that many of the best guys in bed with the most to offer any girl with their rich character are not getting laid. I will never judge if someone isn’t getting laid, but I will throw it if I catch a whiff of out-of-left-field bullshit slinging at me.

    Thanks SD. SD has read my blog from day one, she has taken the time to know me. And she gets me. I suspect her and I are very different in many ways but I get her too. We have formed a friendship. Imagine that.

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  124. on May 31, 2010 at 4:59 pm sdaedalus

    Eumaios

    I really liked your blog, until you put up the thing about Anouk. Obviously it’s your blog, and your decision, but why not just take it down?

    None of us are so bad, we are all more or less on the same side. There are much worse people out there to fight against.

    Also, no one on here knows whether or not anyone else is getting laid or not

    [well, unless they are banging someone else on the board, I’ll refrain from speculating in that regard but if anyone (Bhetti? FemX? Me Me Me? GBFM?) has any gossip I would so love to hear it]

    So comments (particularly general comments) about people being bitter because they are not getting laid are just silly and should not be taken seriously, they are not worth getting upset about.

    Anouk is not so bad. Nor are you.

    Just kiss and make up.

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  125. on May 31, 2010 at 5:43 pm chic noir

    anouk dana-

    You are a spiteful, hateful, obviously ugly woman who spends her time making 80% of her comments directed towards me.

    When Obsidian/mu comes back, she will lay off of you… until then.

    anouk Get a fucking life already
    she is troll but every now and then she says something worth listening to, although it’s said in a very bitter spiteful way.

    S Daedalus aka my co-wife, some of these guys are angry with Anouk because she fell for Roosh. They see her as their ideal girl who has been tarnished by a player. The others are just trolls and sheeple(nicole).

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  126. on May 31, 2010 at 5:57 pm Eumaios

    “None of us are so bad, we are all more or less on the same side.”

    This would be the point I’m disputing.

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  127. on May 31, 2010 at 6:06 pm Eumaios

    sdaedalus: I really liked your blog, until you put up the thing about Anouk.

    You’re okay with me mocking suicides, calling female politicians psychotic cunts, and advocating for the repeal of the 19th amendment, but this you object to?

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  128. on May 31, 2010 at 6:12 pm Eumaios

    “I will never shame a cool guy, whether he be beta or alpha.”

    Women ought not shame men, under any circumstances.

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  129. on May 31, 2010 at 6:31 pm E

    anouk,

    i used to use the “ur just mad @ me cuz ur not gettin laid” insult in high school when someone would piss me off, and it was childish then, and it is childish now.

    just ignore the haters.

    you create more haters by sinking to their level and engaging in the shit flinging.

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  130. on May 31, 2010 at 6:39 pm sdaedalus

    Eumaios

    You’re not really mad anymore, are you? I detect a slight thawing. I suspect wherever you’re are, you’re smirking a little.

    None of us are so bad, we are all more or less on the same side.
    This would be the point I’m disputing.

    Neither Anouk nor myself would be man-haters. We love you guys. We both appreciate that men need to be treated well for a relationship to survive (as do women, ahem) Unfortunately, discussion of one’s rating on the 1-10 scale is the one thing that drives us bonkers, we women are very sensitive about these things, reason goes out the window.

    You’re okay with me mocking suicides

    In all the circumstances, they’re unlikely to be too upset by what you write.

    calling female politicians psychotic cunts

    Sometimes, the truth needs to be spoken.

    and advocating for the repeal of the 19th amendment

    As I’m not an American citizen, I wouldn’t be affected.

    Also, at least it was original.

    “I will never shame a cool guy, whether he be beta or alpha.”
    Women ought not shame men, under any circumstances.

    I’m not a fan of any person shaming another person except where there is a very clear and expressly articulated justification for doing so.

    I agree that uncoolness on the part of the shamee is not a justification in this regard, everyone, whether alpha, beta, cool or uncool, is entitled not to be shamed without good reason.

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  131. on May 31, 2010 at 8:14 pm anoukange

    Eumaios-

    “Women ought not shame men, under any circumstances.”

    My apologies for my causing you offense with my lazy and generalized comment within the comment. I feel you put it under a microscope and lost its main theme.

    The post, As You Wish you have linked to in your own post was written for/from love. Real life love. That is never a bad thing, for any of us.

    The Evil They is just a rant dude. That’s all. It’s about pressure and agendas.

    You are making them about what you want to see.

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  132. on May 31, 2010 at 8:39 pm chic noir

    eumnois

    “Women ought not shame men, under any circumstances”

    really??? Not even a child molester, a thief, or rapist?

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  133. on May 31, 2010 at 9:23 pm shel

    kudos on your taste in music. extra points if you dig EWF’s first two or three albums. Check out “Power”. Good dirty funk.

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  134. on May 31, 2010 at 9:25 pm Mike

    I was once standing next to a chick as we were waiting for a Metro train. We were both listening to our iPods. By gesturing I suggested that we plug our headphones into each other’s iPods. We did, talked a bit about the music and what music we like and I pulled her number. Worth a try.

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  135. on May 31, 2010 at 9:39 pm chic noir

    Mike, is that really your tumblar?

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  136. on May 31, 2010 at 10:10 pm Mike

    indeed it is.

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  137. on May 31, 2010 at 10:50 pm Eumaios

    “Not even a child molester, a thief, or rapist?”

    It is not your place to shame men.

    Moreover, child molesters only have access to children because women let them. Ditto, from a societal point of view, rapists. Cf. Athens in the time of Herodotos, where women were forbidden to be out in the city alone, for their own safety.

    Thief is a weird entry in your argument. Which sex is more likely to shoplift?

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  138. on May 31, 2010 at 10:59 pm kaikou

    Ugh

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  139. on May 31, 2010 at 11:01 pm chic noir

    mike: indeed it is.

    very nice my good friend. Are you also the “Mike” who is a fan the Beats?

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  140. on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 pm chic noir

    Which sex is more likely to shoplift?

    If you’re thinking large sums of(fiat lolzlolz) money… Men

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  141. on May 31, 2010 at 11:54 pm Mike

    That’s right, I do like those Beats. Just started “The Beats: A Graphic History.”

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  142. on June 1, 2010 at 4:05 am walawala

    @Dally:

    “”I prefer your earlier advice about steering clear of women who are obsessed with media players, communication technology, facebook, etc.

    Women like this include a very high percentage of materialists, status-whores, social flakes, and sluts.

    A good litmus test for me has been to look at her Facebook. If she doesn’t even have an account, so much the better. If she has two or three hundred “friends” or more, run for the hills because she’s a social scheming, status whoring, alpha chasing ditz. If most of her “friends” are guys, same thing.””

    I’m curious about your assessment.

    In Asia, Facebook, social networking, sms, iPhone are standard ways of communicating with women and with friends in general.

    Is use of social networking really a bad sign? I don’t think so necessarily.

    Although, this idea of de-friending people etc….that seems like a tool of control.

    My mind is not made up on this as a way of determining a woman’s worth one way or the other.

    In fact, I would think the opposite. If she doesn’t have a Facebook account, I’d think she was a bit out of touch and a Luddite.

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  143. on June 1, 2010 at 7:39 am Name

    anoukange,

    The only true test of female beauty is how other females respond to you. How often do other females say things like, “You’re smokin'” or “Work it girl.” How often are females downright nasty and rude to you? Generally, the uglier/plainer/less hot you are, the more you’ll hear, “You’re gorgeous girl.” It basically means a vat of battery acid has not been dumped on your face, so you look okay, but you’re not beautiful, but you look okay enough for me to call you beautiful for you to be distracted enough by my comments to believe me and keep me around as a friend, so I can stand next to you and look better than you when we go clubbin’ . The nastier the feedback females, the hotter you are. I know that doesn’t make sense to you because you can “appreciate” female beauty, have an eye for aesthetics, etc. But that’s how it works for most females.

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  144. on June 1, 2010 at 8:19 am sdaedalus

    I agree with Name on this, as a general rule at least (there are occasional exceptions).

    Most if not all women feel a twinge of jealousy when seeing a better looking woman, and in fact the more attractive you are, the more painful and sharp the twinge, if you are not very attractive a sort of immunity often develops.

    Some of us admit this, some of us don’t, some of us act on this (by running the better looking woman down or, in some cases, by going to the other extreme and venerating them, this latter situation only happens when there is a substantial points difference and is usually concealed passive-aggressiveness anyway), some of us don’t, such is life.

    Being secure in yourself helps in not feeling it as much and not acting on it. Teenage girls are the worst for feeling & acting out jealousy because they are most insecure, it also happens again when a woman starts to realise the ageing process.

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  145. on June 1, 2010 at 8:38 am Nicole

    Name, not that it matters, but the true test of beauty is male erections. What females in your social sphere say doesn’t matter at all.

    To a degree, all how people treat you tells you is your social value to them. Nobody who loves their grandma would call her a washed up old wall victim. Nobody tells their friend with cerebral palsy that she’s hideously twisted and should do the world a favor and commit suicide.

    Everybody, even beautiful people, has some kind of ugliness that can be blown out of proportion by haters. Even ugly people have some kind of beauty that can be focussed on and admired by those who love them.

    Raw beauty though, is all about whether or not guys get erections just from looking at you. If every time you go out, even when you’re not dressed well or made up, guys are trying to get into your pants, you’re probably at least okay.

    Not much else matters as far as beauty unless you want to be a model or actress, or marry a very rich man.

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  146. on June 1, 2010 at 11:18 am Plank

    I just think its funny that in my original comment that sparked all this hoopla (thanks AJT), I bluntly said she came across as having a terrible personality, but she only took offense at my audacity of rating her face 5 (average/plain).

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  147. on June 1, 2010 at 11:39 am sdaedalus

    Plank

    There is nothing illogical about women being more upset about criticism of their looks than their personality. We women know, and indeed need to know, that our market value with men is dependent on their being attracted to our looks.

    As Seasons of Tumult & Discord posted today & Hestia posted on it last week, personality, intelligence & sense of humor in women are largely redundant where most men are concerned. They are not going to add points if the woman’s looks are not good enough.

    Imo, I think they’re probably right. It’s better women are aware of this.

    There are too many guys out there pretending otherwise just so they can have some poor woman they would never deign to have anything to do with romantically following them round being nice to them & cooking them hot dinners in the hope that they might fall for her.

    This is using these women for emotional support in exactly the same way that some other women use betas for emotional and financial support while banging alphas.

    If the guys were honest, and told the girl they weren’t interested, she might have some hope of finding someone else who did find her attractive to some extent.

    There is no kindness in leading people on. It’s better to be honest.

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  148. on June 1, 2010 at 4:29 pm chic noir

    Plank

    I just think its funny that in my original comment that sparked all this hoopla (thanks AJT), I bluntly said she came across as having a terrible personality, but she only took offense at my audacity of rating her face 5 (average/plain).

    Everyone has 15 of fame. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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  149. on June 1, 2010 at 10:17 pm Plank

    How do you suggest I get the most mileage out of it, chiccy?

    I’m thinking of starting a blog, waffling endlessly about myself, love and loss. Everyone should know what a delicate, special snowflake I am. Oh and some pics of me in my underwear. Cos I’m deep.

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  150. on June 3, 2010 at 12:53 am pgg

    Anonymous, the “don’t you hate it…” opener sounds good, I’ll have to try it.

    I’ve had great success with a variation on the subway. “Quick question for you: Are you they kind of girl who will talk to a random guy on the subway?”

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  151. on June 3, 2010 at 1:03 am Tim

    I’m thinking of starting a blog, waffling endlessly about myself, love and loss. Everyone should know what a delicate, special snowflake I am. Oh and some pics of me in my underwear. Cos I’m deep.

    hold on, let me catch my breath…ahem….

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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  152. on June 3, 2010 at 1:11 am Tim

    …but the true test of beauty is male erections.

    ’tis true. I was once walking through the Kerry Mountains and when the sun came up and flooded the valley with crepuscular rays, it was so lovely I got a boner.

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  153. on June 6, 2010 at 1:09 am Dave

    I’m not remarking on the quality of the advice — it may be good. What’s bugging me in reading this article and the comments is an absolute disregard for the obvious: Women are specifically using iPods and headphone muzak to *avoid guys* from talking to them, period.

    You might come off as “working a little extra hard” for a woman’s attention, but on the other hand, nothing seems more desperate to a woman than a public cold-approach *except* a cold approach that, now, actually involves attempting to disarm physical apparatus specifically meant to squelch you. On a subway or bus no less!, where the danger of being categorized as just another horny transient acting in the one place he has any real proximity contact to an attractive woman, is very real. Frankly I’m surprised Roissy didn’t leap on that.

    I agree with the poster who observes there’s plenty of women without them to approach, out of the subways (and while it we’re at it, out of any creepy location like an elevator or parking garage). If flirting is in the cards, non-verbal is the best and only *viable* methodology that works in this situation.

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  154. on June 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm Cuisine

    Ah, daygame!

    I just open them and they take their headphones off or turn off the ipod, and then I repeat the opener. There are cutsey ways of doing it, but just opening works fine, even with moving sets. You could also banter them by accusing them of listening t some ridiculous or heinous artist or song. Works better if you are in on current pop culture/music…because you can do all kinds of banter about specific artists or songs.

    -Cuisine

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  155. on August 14, 2010 at 1:08 am COLO

    i a man i’m not a woman…

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  156. on September 15, 2010 at 6:13 am Rarfy

    The story sounded uber-creepy to me. Bet she went home and was like, “You won’t believe what some weirdo did today……”

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