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Would You Intervene To Help A Woman Getting Abused By A Lover?

June 1, 2010 by CH

OneSTDV has an interesting post up about an ABC TV show which conducted a social experiment to determine if strangers would help an obviously beaten woman in a public restaurant when her violent boyfriend shows up. Actors played the roles of the abused girlfriend and the abusive boyfriend. A bunch of clackety clacking hens over at Feministing clucked up a storm when two of the pairings demonstrated a contrast in how the public responded to the bruised actress in distress. In the first mock scenario, the woman was dressed conservatively. A white knight rushed to her defense. In the second mock scenario, the bruised woman was dressed sluttily, showing lots of cleavage. No one stepped up to help her, men or women. The fembots harrumphed that this proves that people perceive slutty women as “asking for it”.

OneSTDV’s explanation was this:

I disagree. I’d wager the different reactions stem from a lack of respect commensurate with the girlfriend’s sexual openness. The other patrons’ responses reflect the existence of a number of indicators of status and class. Provocative dress implies a sexual luridness most middle aged persons find deplorable.

OneSTDV is closer to the truth here than are the fembots, although their competing explanations are not that different and could be mostly semantical. A woman perceived as low class because of slutty dress evokes a general feeling among onlookers that she is “asking for it”. The perception of low class leading to a belief that she is complicit in her suffering is not a broken path of reasoning. People of each sex do judge sluts more harshly because there is a human tendency to withhold empathy from losers who can’t even respect themselves. Naturally, a fembot would screech “why is dressing like a slut synonymous with being a loser?”. Not every slut is the female equivalent of the emotional tampon beta male loser, but the parallels are striking. Both must barter their most precious resource to get any attention from people of the opposite sex they most desire.

To answer the title of this post, I would not intervene to help an abused woman. My thinking on this is crystal clear: she chose to be with the abuser. I know that any help I may offer would be for naught as the next day she would run back to her thug lover for more of the same flirty flurry of blows.

There’s a lesson here. You can’t get something for nothing. If women want the assistance of white knights, they need to behave in a manner that is indicative of women who deserve the help of white knights. Which means not choosing and sticking around with Joe Uppercut as the welts accumulate so a pussy itch can be satisfied. And it definitely means not having a kid with him.

Rihanna balked.

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  1. on June 1, 2010 at 9:12 pm some bastard

    First,

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  2. on June 1, 2010 at 9:14 pm some bastard

    Clearly, it’s not one’s business to help someone who’s willingly mad a bad decision. If they meet at a restaurant, she chose to be there, and the sluttiness is considered. So long as she’s not dripping with meth sores, people would probably help the same sluttly looking girl if she was being chased down across the park.

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  3. on June 1, 2010 at 9:20 pm Pushkin

    Sane women are attracted to strong men, but are terrified of abusive men. Battered women lack that fear, as they endure the bruises to experience the ‘tingles.’ This same senselessness may drive a woman to dress inappropriately. Thus, no white knighting.

    Considering the tremendous amount of money we spend on DV shelters, any woman in an abusive relationship must truly enjoy it. Otherwise, she could just leave.

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  4. on June 1, 2010 at 9:28 pm Trimegistus

    People are cowards. If the “slutty-looking” chick was being threatened and abused by a dude who looked like Michael Cera, there’d be plenty of people to step in. But if it’s Mickey Rourke, all of a sudden everyone decides it’s a private matter.

    [ed: heh. good point. there’s that too.]

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  5. on June 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm chic noir

    My thinking on this is crystal clear: she chose to be with the abuser.

    God forbid it’s the first time tuff guy takes a swing.

    [ed: she met him at a restaurant. so she agreed to see him presumably well after he left a mark on her face.]

    I know that any help I may offer would be for naught as the next day she would run back to her thug lover for more of the same flirty flurry of blows

    Yea I can understand your fustration here. You take a chance in getting yourself hurt and you may even make it worse for her when the two of them go home. On the otherhand, what if she was your sister or daughter.

    [i would take her aside and tell her to get her fucking act together if she doesn’t want people to think she’s low class trash. then i would wash my hands of it, cause i’ll explain that i can’t be there every time she runs back for more strong armed loving.]

    Chris Brown grew up seeing his step father beat his mom. Just like child molesters, women beaters are sometimes “made” not born. Rihanna saw her dad(for drug money) beat her mom IIRC.

    [the “made or born” argument is chicken and egg. chris brown inherited his father’s beatdown genes.]

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  6. on June 1, 2010 at 9:35 pm chic noir

    Trimegistus- good point.

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  7. on June 1, 2010 at 9:40 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “To answer the title of this post, I would not intervene to help an abused woman. ”

    You’d really stand by and let some guy harass a very bruised woman in public?

    [ed: yes.]

    lame.

    [smart. i know full well that 99 out of 100 times my intervention would not stop her from running back to her beatdown prince.]

    I’d be much more attracted to a guy that intervened.

    [i’m not looking for your attraction.]

    I was most attracted to the guy in the white shirt who smacked the first boyfriend.

    [will you be sitting on his dick tonight?]

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  8. on June 1, 2010 at 9:42 pm Grampa

    My reaction:

    BR (Before I found Roissy): Always help.

    AR (After I found Roissy): Never help. (Call 911)

    Besides, the guy might be armed or be a madman. What reason do I have to risk my life, upon whom others depend in one way or another, to help a stranger who very likely put herself into this situation, against the advice of her friends and family. And, as we know, will likely return to it.

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  9. on June 1, 2010 at 9:43 pm Polymath

    It’s hard to tell the difference between a woman who is staying with her abuser, and one who has already left him and is being stalked.

    If he actually strikes her in public, or drags her away when she obviously doesn’t want to go and resists, I am witnessing a crime and I consider calling the cops (I don’t automatically do it because it is possible this is just a little drama they both enjoy acting out — I have to rely on my judgement here). If he is doing anything short of that, no reason to interfere.

    But no matter how slutty she is, if I think the man might actually kill her I step in or call 911 (I have never witnessed such a situation and don’t expect to, but it happens often enough that I have to consider the possibility).

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  10. on June 1, 2010 at 9:45 pm ahappinessexperiment

    But there is one problem with your conclusion. “Which means not choosing and sticking around with Joe Uppercut as the welts accumulate so a pussy itch can be satisfied.”

    Wasn’t the point of the demonstration that BOTH women had chosen Joe Uppercut? The only difference was their dress.

    [ed: right, which is a lesson for abused women that dressing like a slut will garner less sympathy from people who could be in a position to help. perception is reality, and sluts are perceived as losers who have no self respect.]

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  11. on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 pm The Rookie

    While in NYC me and some friends saw a couple arguing. The guy was big, more fat than muscle, but he was yelling, and slammed his phone down on the ground. A friend of mine yelled that he better not hit his girl. The violent dude turned his aggression towards my friend, saying to mind his own business. None of us pushed the matter any further.

    The girl on the other hand, kept trying to calm him down, saying she was sorry, etc. This happened a long time ago, but as I watched, I told myself that I didn’t even have enough facts to pick a side. The guy hadn’t struck her, and for all we knew had valid reasons for being so angry. And it didn’t help that the girl kept trying to calm him down, remaining in his immediate area.

    Oh well. Thank God cops patrol the streets. Wait what?

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  12. on June 1, 2010 at 9:48 pm chic noir

    chris brown inherited his father’s beatdown genes

    No, it was his step-dad.

    [ed: usually there’s a stepdad in the picture for a reason. if real dad was a layabout cad who bolted then chris brown inherited those shitty genes.]

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  13. on June 1, 2010 at 9:57 pm ahappinessexperiment

    [ed: usually there’s a stepdad in the picture for a reason. if real dad was a layabout cad who bolted then chris brown inherited those shitty genes.]

    I thought the alpha genes were the good ones.

    [ed: depends how you define good. for society, chris brown genes are bad. but for chris brown, his genes have been very good. after all, he did bang it out with rihanna, which is more than most men can brag about.]

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  14. on June 1, 2010 at 9:57 pm Trimegistus

    There’s also a kind of reflected-status thing going on.

    “Slutty” low-class looking chick having an argument with her boyfriend: if he’s with her, he’s probably low-status, too. It won’t improve my status to challenge him, and I don’t want to win her affection. So let the cops handle it.

    High-class looking chick, ditto: if he’s with her, he’s probably high-status, too. I can probably challenge him without getting shot, and she’d look good as an ornament to my position in the world. Time to step in!

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  15. on June 1, 2010 at 9:58 pm O-bag

    Has it occurred to any of you, that the reason no white knight stepped in in the second scenario could be because the abusive boyfriend looked like he could actually fuck someone up?

    [ed: that was mentioned earlier by another commenter, and it is a good point. although the first guy looked pretty big, too, yet a white knight stepped forward.]

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  16. on June 1, 2010 at 10:02 pm Mr.M

    “To answer the title of this post, I would not intervene to help an abused woman. ”

    Second this, here’s why:

    http://www.kens5.com/home/related/SAPD–Man-breaking-up-a-domestic-fight-injured-in-shooting-84077152.html

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  17. on June 1, 2010 at 10:03 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “[smart. i know full well that 99 out of 100 times my intervention would not stop her from running back to her beatdown prince.]”

    Who wants her? I think it would help you get the other women in the restaurant watching the scene.

    [ed: there are easier ways to get the attention of girls in public than risking bodily harm for an ingrate.]

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  18. on June 1, 2010 at 10:04 pm Grampa

    BTW, all this discussion seems so quaint. Like, looking into a time capsule or a really old newspaper. Just imagine, people thought those things were serious issues back then, like, should you kiss on the first date. How cute.

    We had 8 fatal shootings in Baltimore City over the Memorial day weekend. All victims and perps were of one race (African), I am fairly sure.

    Any white knights out there want to intervene with a black guy? Be prepared for lethal violence.

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  19. on June 1, 2010 at 10:04 pm ahappinessexperiment

    why is nobody pointing out the obvious, that the first couple was white and the 2nd was black? i watched the video and forgot to even observe the “slutty’ look difference.

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  20. on June 1, 2010 at 10:07 pm Jayz

    Is this a thinly veiled swipe at LR?

    If it is, it is genius.

    [ed: no, but if the trash fits…]

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  21. on June 1, 2010 at 10:09 pm Anonymous

    If she’s hot and it looks like I can get some ass out of it, sure.

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  22. on June 1, 2010 at 10:13 pm chic noir

    Grampa if I think the man might actually kill her I step in or call 911 (I have never witnessed such a situation and don’t expect to, but it happens often enough that I have to consider the possibility)

    I have, I was a little girl going to the store with my mom. Scared the crap out of me. One reason why I’m kind of afraid of very masculine looking tall men.

    I don’t buy the gina tingle crap, the woman I saw being beat looked scared out of her mind. From what I’ve read & heard from abused women, it’s the mental abuse that goes along with the physical abuse that binds some women(and men) to their abusers.

    The smartest thing for women to do is to just make a exit when an argument becomes heated. Just leave, stop talking put distance between yourself and the man you’re arguing with. Never ever ever ever get into a man’s face when he starts pacing. It may hurt our pride as women to have to “chump down” but very few of us have the physical strength to fight off an adult male or even a teenage male.

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  23. on June 1, 2010 at 10:15 pm Red

    I mostly focused on how much a threat the guy would have been if I tried to get involved. First guy didn’t have that I’ve shoot you if you interfere vibe. Second guy did. I’m guess the second guy was a much better actor or I just don’t see white guys as much of a threat.

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  24. on June 1, 2010 at 10:17 pm greatbooksformen

    woimenz love dudes that do butthexing things 2 other womenz like film butthex without tehir conthent lzozlzlzlzl

    suppose you are a respectable, well-paid female neocon writer writing for prominent conservative magaizne.

    suppose you come across a guy who videotapes butthex and sodomy with girls without their consent.

    do you

    a) ignore the repulsive behavior
    b) pass judgment on the reprehensible behavior
    c) repeat the douchebag’s lies that he is six feet tall in your story, adding that his film was a success, even though it lost over 10 million of its 12 million budget

    the answer would be. . . . c!!!!

    suppose you are a respectable, well-paid female editor who is the head of one teh world’s largest publishing houses.

    suppose you come across a guy who videotapes butthex and sodomy with girls without their consent.

    do you

    a) ignore the repulsive behavior
    b) pass judgment on the reprehensible behavior
    c) wire him hundreds of thousands of dollars in a book advance and publish his next book.

    the answer is c! lozlzlzlzlzlz!

    and the great thing is that he doesn’t just butthex girls and film it without tehir conthent, but he also excels at all forms of epic douchebaggery, which makes priscilla paintons and charlotte allen’s ginas tingle lingle linlinge ling!! lzozlllzllz

    It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?

    gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background . Like: “Blind girls never see you coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding).””

    “Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/

    Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040

    tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com

    tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com

    Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First . At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.

    “The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).””

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html

    Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?

    gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system

    Let’s talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his ‘book’: filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that while he’s doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.

    –http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/

    “OK, we can try anal sex , but I want it to be special and romantic. …. process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent ,” — tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml

    Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?

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  25. on June 1, 2010 at 10:19 pm chic noir

    Femx I’d be much more attracted to a guy that intervened.
    Me too.

    I was most attracted to the guy in the white shirt who smacked the first boyfriend.

    Me too and notice how much larger the guy in the white shirt was. I doubt there are many average sized men who would step in, even if they really wanted to. Like Trimegistus wrote, most people are chumps.

    grampa Any white knights out there want to intervene with a black guy? Be prepared for lethal violence

    if you’re blk then yes. If wht, you’ll probably just get a beat down at worse. Blk men know that they face serious jail time if “they” do to you what they do to each other(genocide).

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  26. on June 1, 2010 at 10:21 pm Jayz

    Why would anyone get involved?

    If the guy is about to kill her or seriously beat the crap out of her, then call the cops.

    Otherwise, I would just stay out of other people’s business.

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  27. on June 1, 2010 at 10:26 pm Mike

    Cops will all tell you to keep away. If you step in, the girlfriend will attack you. DV situations are so dangerous for police because of the women, not the men.

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  28. on June 1, 2010 at 10:28 pm Pupu

    Pupu would have gone up and helped. But Rookie is right “I didn’t even have enough facts to pick a side.”

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  29. on June 1, 2010 at 10:32 pm Kate

    From what I’ve read & heard from abused women, it’s the mental abuse that goes along with the physical abuse that binds some women(and men) to their abusers.

    This is very true. Not all men who have the potential to become abusive show their stripes early on in the relationship. Many otherwise respectable men will wait until the female is sufficiently bonded with him before he: first begins with the mental/emotional abuse, mind games, etc., and then becomes physically abusive.

    Many times the abuse is the result of truly losing his temper and he is often genuinely sorry for it later. The woman then feels guilty because she caused him to get angry. Thinking she can make it better so things can go back to how good it used to be, she stays in the relationship trying to fix things.

    The smartest thing for women to do is to just make a exit when an argument becomes heated. Just leave, stop talking put distance between yourself and the man you’re arguing with. Never ever ever ever get into a man’s face when he starts pacing. It may hurt our pride as women to have to “chump down” but very few of us have the physical strength to fight off an adult male or even a teenage male.

    Absolutely. Women cannot match the physical strength of men — you will not win. When you recognize escalation taking place, remove yourself from the situation. And, as difficult as it may be, realize this is who he is and take steps to get out of the relationship. Whether or not his pride will let you peacefully is another matter entirely.

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  30. on June 1, 2010 at 10:33 pm Dave

    @Mike: Good point – The abused woman “loves” the abuser and you intervene and start pounding him – she intervenes on the ABUSER’s side – he pounds you and she get’s aroused because of the ABUSER’s display of dominance over you. How do you win this situation?

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  31. on June 1, 2010 at 10:48 pm Dale

    Agree with the stay out of it comment. I read a book about police procedure. Their comment was wait for bak up if possible for armed bank robbery in progress, but go alone if necessary. ALWAYS wait for back up in domestic violence cases.

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  32. on June 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm chic noir

    Kate Many times the abuse is the result of truly losing his temper and he is often genuinely sorry for it later.

    Yea, this isn’t mentioned enough. Sometimes people just snap and men because of their more violent nature/nuture are prone to do this. I saw a couple on the Dr.Phil show who had one episode of domestic violence in a 20+ year marriage. They had a big argument, things got out of hand, the husband snapped and slapped his wife just once. The husband never physically abused her again. I look at this scernerio differently than one where there is chronic abuse.

    Personally, I would be afriad to stay with a man who hit me even once.

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  33. on June 1, 2010 at 10:58 pm Dave

    An economic perspective: Some women have managed to get society at large to support (subsidize) them in making the worst life decisions, e.g., dating an abusive male. Once an intimate is known to be abusive a sane person would leave. But some women don’t and stay in abusive relationships. The police, court, and social work associated with responding to the needs of abused women are not borne by the women themselves but by society at large. How does society influence the choices of such women? Since these women are helping to create a toxic externality charge them for at least some of the costs associated with responding to their needs. Let’s see how much value these women place on dating “dangerous” and “exciting” men when they get a fifty dollar bill for a police call.

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  34. on June 1, 2010 at 11:02 pm The Truth

    Mike train muay Thai and pound the abuser. Easy peasy.

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  35. on June 1, 2010 at 11:04 pm Cannon's Canon

    i noticed that yesterday at feministing, they posted a generic out-of-the-office notice without a reference to memorial day. in contrast, the week of MLK day was littered with gushing tributes to that real american hero.

    a few of my conservative pals marveled that obama would miss the wreath-laying ceremony for a personal vacation. in retrospect, i don’t suppose it had any bearing whatsoever on his core demographic of “young people, african americans, latinos, and women”.

    bernanke sends young men to die in fiat wars on foreign shores, women ignore these men and lust after 5’10 alphas who write fictional stories about secretive tapings of butthex. the dozzle lozlzls, the yuan yawns, and the zeuro hits zero. then goldman sachs introduces the bancor, which is named after the stockpile of bang-whores they’ve created, a lifestyle celebrated by neocons in the Weekly Standard. hey blankfein, what’s your take on sb 1070? “it’s complicated.”

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  36. on June 1, 2010 at 11:07 pm Cannon's Canon

    train muay Thai and pound the abuser. Easy peasy

    not necessarily. if it is a neocon butthexer, they may well be trained in krav maga

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  37. on June 1, 2010 at 11:21 pm Mike

    Personally, I have been in numerous street fights, trained BJJ for years, boxed for a decade, and fought in a ring and cage. That I could beat up the average – or even well-above- average – domestic abuser is not correlated with whether I would.

    Reality is simple to people with understanding. A woman will jump on the back and start clawing and pulling the hair of a man who stands up for her.

    So I beat down her man. She jumps on my back. And I beat her up, too?

    LMFAO!

    To save a woman from domestic violence, you must beat her down.

    Retard.

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  38. on June 1, 2010 at 11:28 pm Mike

    bernanke sends young men to die in fiat wars on foreign shores, women ignore these men and lust after 5’10 alphas who write fictional stories about secretive tapings of butthex.

    The message is getting through. GBFM is an intellectual hero.

    Consider Roissy’s earlier posts on alphas. Most men think that soldiers are alpha. Go to war. Fight for something “bigger than yourself.” Earn medals.

    Remember in WWII? There were parades, and pictures of men returning home to beautiful women. Women wanted what we’d now call “quaint” or “antiquated” men. Or, as the butt-sexers and feminazis say – people who possess characteristics traditionally associated with masculinity.

    In a just society, soldiers should be alphas. Yet soldiers are regularly cheated on, denigrated by women, and abused by neocons. Soldiers are shit on.

    Meanwhile, Tucker Max gets the attention and admiration of women – expressed in pussy.

    Sure, the neocon wills write a column praising “real men.” They get get fucked in the ass – and secretly taped – by Tucker Max.

    Think about this: When is the last time Peggy Noonan or other neocon woman fucked a soldier? If you had to bet: Would Peggy Noonan and the women at the Weekly Standard be more likely to fuck an American war hero, or Tucker Max?

    The answer to that question should tell you everything you need to know about society.

    That this is the reality does not mean that we are fond of or approve of the reality.

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  39. on June 1, 2010 at 11:32 pm DF

    To save a woman from domestic violence, you must beat her down.

    Oh the irony.

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  40. on June 1, 2010 at 11:36 pm the realist

    Both of the women are acting borderline-retarded/drug addicted/mentally ill. The guys are acting erratic but what can you do?? I really couldn’t give a shit. I’m not one to step in between two unknown freaks. Iv’e been in far worse situations without a hero to be seen except my tightest bros and paid proffessionals with armor, back-up and weapons.

    At most if the volume is getting too loud or the scene too disruptive, i’m gonna tell the guy and his bitch to shut the fuck up coz i’m trying to eat dinner with my family/wife/gf/kids etc. But who gives a shit about the individuals, they be strangers to me. Look out for no.1.

    Anyways i thought we smack up a bitch so that she suck that dick and cook that dinner right, so i can sit back and relax with a beer and my crack pipe and watch the damn game. Not eat at some restuatrant. Dudes need to work on their abusive game, get that bitch on lock. Clearly actors and bad ones at that.

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  41. on June 1, 2010 at 11:37 pm the realist

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e1_1199622703

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  42. on June 1, 2010 at 11:39 pm xxx

    Once I was in a crowded nightclub and saw a young black dude with his hands around his white girlfriend’s throat, and he was just choking her right in front of me, and just taking his time doing it. She was on her knees on the floor, in obvious distress. Of course I didn’t know them.

    So I instinctively tried pulling his hands away from her neck, but in a couple seconds everybody was on top of him, pulling him away. And that was that.

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  43. on June 1, 2010 at 11:40 pm Whatever

    As was pointed out several times, that second guy truly looked like he could bust heads… white, black, sluts, princesses, whatever the case. He had that edge. ….That was my first thought of why no one was intervening. Plus lower class people have less to lose, so there’s a better chance of something going seriously wrong.

    Also, I find it funny (not surprising) that the girls on this blog were attracted to the big guy in the white shirt —> THE OTHER SHORT FUSED VIOLENT MAN IN THE ROOM!!!! LOLOLOL. The man who did much of the leg work, and was first to step in (Way harder than being second) was still invisible. haha

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  44. on June 1, 2010 at 11:43 pm Free Man

    Can we cheer?

    Is that an option?

    It’s good to see a woman get beat up in today’s society. All we ever see is guys getting beat up by police due to fake DV charges. At least there’s some real DV here.

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  45. on June 1, 2010 at 11:45 pm Free Man

    OK, I better tone down the last comment.

    It isn’t good to see a woman get beat up but I am lacking sympathy since she obviously asked for the situation.

    It isn’t like there aren’t 1000’s of DV shelters & cops ready to jump at her beck and call.

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  46. on June 1, 2010 at 11:50 pm chic noir

    whatever Also, I find it funny (not surprising) that the girls on this blog were attracted to the big guy in the white shirt

    the hero fantasy doesn’t die for some of us.

    THE OTHER SHORT FUSED VIOLENT MAN IN THE ROOM!!!!

    Was he truly short fused? Or was he a brave man willing to risk his safety to save another human being. I don’t like violent men but I do need a man who is willing to protect me when something goes down. Don’t instigate a fight but be willing to stand your ground if need be, the first lesson in alpha.

    There is no way I can respect a man who jumps behind me when confronted by another man.

    SMH I once had a guy jump behind me because he saw a mouse.

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  47. on June 1, 2010 at 11:57 pm greatbooksformen

    prominent, leading women
    a) publish b) promote c) pay sodmites and secretive tapers of butthex without the girl’s conthent

    today’s women
    a) assarape good men in divorce court b) seize tehir chicldran and give them to teh state c) slut up their daughters and dumb down and fmeinize tehir sons

    lzozllzlzlzl

    if you try to save a woman from a scerteiv taper of butthex, you will be labeled an oppressor and punished. to keep cocks out of a woman’s ass is to oppress her these days, and to put a cock in her ass and tape it without her conthent is rewarded iwth fiat dollars and fiat fame and other forms of neocn douchebaggery. lzozlzlzl

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  48. on June 2, 2010 at 12:00 am Whatever

    @ chic noir

    He was short fused.

    Both men risked their safety, not just the big guy in white. In fact the first guy even went outside with the abuser. That’s pretty brave. The first guy just didn’t start pushing.

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  49. on June 2, 2010 at 12:00 am Joshua

    I’ve seen friends of mine get the shit of end the legal stick by white-knighting, only to have the abused GF stick up for her boyfriend and accuse the white-knighter of being the instigator of violence. I’m not one to back down from a fight, ever, but it’s never a smart move to play Captain-save-a-Ho with these types of women.

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  50. on June 2, 2010 at 12:09 am Whatever

    Plus sometimes its not a function of being braver, but being bigger. Would the guy in white have still took it physical if the “abuser” had 6 inches on him and 50 pounds? … he’s probably not used to it, but my guess is he would have been a little more diplomatic like the first guy.

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  51. on June 2, 2010 at 12:17 am maurice

    These last two posts seem like they were written by a guest poster – close, not but not quite the same as, the usual Roissy style.

    Women can be very emotionally abusive in relationships, especially if they’re in that fallen-out-of-love-with-beta-or-loser-boyfriend stage. Cutting him down, undermining his confidence or self image, gratuitous meanness. It’s just part of their beta testing/shit testing instinctual behavior, carried to the extreme. They are much better at this than men – they practice with each other all the time, from girlhood on up.

    That isn’t to say this always provokes men to physical abuse – the “Cops” scenario of the low-class slut always returning to the cad that beats her is real, if not really very widespread. But I wonder why this phenomenon never gets talked about, in our pussified PC society so obsessed with self-esteem and work environments absolutely free of any kind of interpersonal unpleasantness (for women). Oh yeah – nobody gives a shit about the feelings or perspectives of men. It seems a little too much like whining to complain about, or act on, abusive verbal or emotional behavior. So we don’t.

    Of course, it’s beta loserdom to hang around a woman that treats you like shit. But some times men have bad options, if they married a bitch while too young, or aren’t so well educated, or aren’t alpha or savvy enough to understand what’s going on, etc. Yet another reason for every man to have his eyes opened at a young age by the information found here.

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  52. on June 2, 2010 at 12:29 am Lupo Leboucher

    *yawn*
    As others point out, big shaven head black dudes are scarier than scrawney white dudes. End of story.

    I might actually do something, because I am a sick bastard who enjoys fighting. It would have nothing to do with me white knighting; it would mostly be how bad a mood I was in that day.
    I’ve never broken up a “lovers quarrel” like that, because I’ve never actually seen one, and doubt I ever will. Life is nothing like television. That was pure, 100% unadulterated television.

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  53. on June 2, 2010 at 12:31 am Gotzon

    No white knight would remove his hat for a prostitute.

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  54. on June 2, 2010 at 12:33 am thule222

    This is eye opening. The women still aren’t responding to the hero, the striped shirt guy. It’s like he’s invisible. They only see the two violent men. Wow.

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  55. on June 2, 2010 at 12:34 am xxx

    Plenty of men these days seem to respect the whiny bitch far more than they do their fellow man.

    These “men” are blind.

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  56. on June 2, 2010 at 1:34 am Tepid beta spooge

    I’m with the other posters pointing out the obvious black vs white angle and the ignoring of the actual heroes (the stripe shirt guy and the women who stepped in)

    very telling. It’s another reason why you don’t get involved. People just want to see the blood sport, not any real resolution

    people are such fucking children.

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  57. on June 2, 2010 at 1:37 am Peter (not GNP)

    bernanke sends young men to die in fiat wars on foreign shores, women ignore these men and lust after 5’10 alphas who write fictional stories about secretive tapings of butthex.

    The message is getting through. GBFM is an intellectual hero.

    Intellectual hero? GBFM is a religious paleocon – especially after you read his above post about Sodomy as a biblical sin.

    Yeah, he has some funny and interesting points every once in a while, but his struggle is ultimately very Sisiphean. You won’t win against teh feminist-neocon-fiat currency juggernaut. It’s a lost cause. I mean, the femicunts whine about a patriarchy while the National Organization for Women diverts 500 BILLION in the stimulus bill (BILLION WITH A FUCKING ‘B’ HOLY SHIT) away from construction projects that would actually benefit men, and sends them towards funding social services. That’s huge, real power.

    Most of us have realized Roissy’s approach – a very male approach – to take a system, find its’ flaws, and exploit it. We take the new Femitwat system, and find a way to maximize our happiness in it – by maximizing our access to hot, tight and young pussy. Do feminists want 40+ year old men enjoying access to women’s snatchbags in their prime? Do they want lesser, non-natural “born-again” alpha men learning how to push women’s attraction buttons now that they are unencumbered by social controls against their natural Hypergamous whorery? No!

    In the past – in GBFM’s dream 1950’s or earlier, a man like Tucker Max would be a rich asshole lawyer married to some alpha female, and he’d have a couple of brats with her while banging some other alpha fem mistress on the side. Today he’s a law-school dropout banging more hot chicks with way less effort. Either way he’d be maximizing his happiness given his circumstances and the society around him. Who gives a shit if he assfucks girls and tapes it without their consent? Who gives a fuck if old crusty cunts like Charlotte Allen tingle for him (while flaking off bits of geriatric cunt-crust?)

    The old days are over. I realized this the other day after choke fucking my “lady” after destroying her shithole. Just make the best of it you can.

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  58. on June 2, 2010 at 1:47 am Cannon's Canon

    the way i heard it, the big guy in the white shirt was one of “their” security people – in other words, in on the deal (that’s why his face is clouded). he was risking absolutely nothing with his “bravery”. the women who say they were attracted most to him simply responded to a staged display of dominance, not some grand nobility trait.

    if an actual abusive boyfriend got pushed by mr. white and happened to strike him down… well, ask not for whom the gina tingles. it tingles for he!

    the striped shirt guy is the categorical ‘hero’, but invisible by virtue of being a super beta herb doosh.

    in the second clip, check out the over-dressed ari gold-lookin dude in the blue shirt and tie with the hot blonde. he assesses the risk and does nothing. i’d bet he gets laid plenty by way of that pragmatism.

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  59. on June 2, 2010 at 1:55 am Max

    This is eye opening. The women still aren’t responding to the hero, the striped shirt guy. It’s like he’s invisible. They only see the two violent men. Wow.

    Yeah this is amazing me – the real hero the guy in the yellow stripped shirt takes so much risk, but all they see is the other violent guy.. Unbef’nleavable

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  60. on June 2, 2010 at 2:12 am Advocatus Diaboli

    No! Women are not worth defending.

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  61. on June 2, 2010 at 2:15 am 9:14

    “This is eye opening. The women still aren’t responding to the hero, the striped shirt guy. It’s like he’s invisible. They only see the two violent men. Wow.”

    Its what Roissy calls the rationalization hamster, the same silly little creatures that comes up with phrases such as:

    “I was scared for my children”
    “I was scared for my safety”
    “I was scared for my life”

    Fuck women altogether if you want to remain sane.

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  62. on June 2, 2010 at 2:20 am johnny five

    once, when asked by fresh pinoy immigrants to summarize america’s racial zeitgeist in one sentence, i responded with: ‘if they talk as though race matters, it really doesn’t; if they talk as though race doesn’t matter, it really does.’

    the foregoing discussion confirms this axiom in spades. misdirection ho!

    peep this:
    A woman perceived as low class because of slutty dress

    if the commenters perceive the second woman’s attire as ‘slutty’, i should thank them never to leave their small towns in amish country. what the hell is this, citizen savonarola?

    if that woman’s raiment qualifies as slut gear, then the good news is that america’s women have ushered in a new wave of personal and sartorial modesty.
    as if.

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  63. on June 2, 2010 at 2:25 am Vincent Ignatius

    I know that any help I may offer would be for naught as the next day she would run back to her thug lover for more of the same flirty flurry of blows.

    That would be exactly my reasoning for not helping either woman. She’ll be happier getting smacked around than being “saved” from her boyfriend.

    This isn’t the same as seeing a random person being attacked by a stranger. In that case, I bet more people would jump in to help.

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  64. on June 2, 2010 at 2:31 am johnny five

    lupo:
    As others point out, big shaven head black dudes are scarier than scrawney white dudes. End of story.
    um, yeah. whoever wrote the initial analysis of this video is living under a rock.
    invariably, just when my amazement at the sheer multifariousness of americans’ means of circumventing the obvious begins to dissipate, someone decides to re-up it.

    still, i’d like to see a girl in actual ‘slutty’ clothing in this experiment, with real live experimental control. as in, daisy dukes, halter top, the whole nine yards (make that 0.09 yards), perhaps under some form of outergarment. and as in, put her with the faggy guy from the first film.

    two thoughts.

    one:
    only in a society of pussies, such as america, would people automatically equate big = tough. if more people here were trained and/or experienced fighters, that assumption wouldn’t abound as it does.

    two:
    the first fag was so bad at acting out anger that i thought he was TRYING to appear fake. jesus chicken fried christ, i would’ve walked over and smacked him upside the head for being such a disgrace.
    has anyone ever noticed that men who are pussies can snap, shoot, kill, beat, abuse, et al, but can’t raise their voices in a convincing manner to save their lives?

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  65. on June 2, 2010 at 2:40 am greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^

    Mike writes, “Meanwhile, Tucker Max gets the attention and admiration of women – expressed in pussy. ”

    This is because tucker max gets lottsa fiat cash for his books and movies lzozlzlzl which lost 10,000,000 teh movie epic failed but he gets fit noeocn cash the noecns call him a suucceth in their magaiznes and reapet his lies about hjis height as sodomy trumps all 2 begin with, and the fact that he tapes it withoutteh girl’s conthent is the irresistable icing (made of douche and sugar with butthex dripppings) on the neocon cake lzzllzlzl.

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  66. on June 2, 2010 at 2:41 am johnny five

    chic, i know you’re scared of my very words, but hear me out here:
    I don’t buy the gina tingle crap, the woman I saw being beat looked scared out of her mind.

    the gina tingles are incremental, my dear. it’s like the way an elastic will slowly deform in response to constant pressure — if said pressure is skilfully applied just beyond the elastic’s threshold of comfort.
    if the pressure is steadily applied at this barely supra-threshold rate, the elastic is gradually slackened to a length that would have caused breakage had an equivalent pressure been applied all at once.

    women are like this, too.
    as are men.
    as are frogs in pots of water approaching boiling.

    but girls are especially vulnerable, since girls, being girls, are always looking for that je ne sais quoi that is exactly 0.1 standard deviations past their ‘limit’. pushing the envelope.

    viz., a good conservative small-town girl isn’t going to gravitate to chris brown, or to a mass murderer, overnight — it happens in steps.
    first it’s kissing in church
    then it’s heavy petting in the back of the car
    …
    (steps 3 through 38 are not included in this preview)
    —
    then it’s going back to the abuse, anything short of which has now become ‘boring’.

    capisce? this is not rocket science.

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  67. on June 2, 2010 at 2:41 am CW

    I’ve walked past a woman being screamed and yelled at to the point of her crying on the street. Nobody would do anything. Me and a buddy stepped in, and asked if the guy was bothering her. All she could do was shake her head no, but you could tell in her eyes she wanted help.

    Would you rather be a man and stand up for what is right?

    or be a coward and turn your eye?

    I suppose you’re right though….. she’ll just go back to him in the end and it’s not worth the risk of fighting.

    Another girl friend of mine, was being assaulted and lived in with her boyfriend at the time. She had no friends, nobody. I told her, why don’t you just fucking leave him? Just go get away if you really want to, you can. She just said she couldn’t…. It was fucking pathetic of her.

    Are women always so weak?

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  68. on June 2, 2010 at 2:53 am johnny five

    by the way, the above post is a corrective to all of you annoying simpletons who are constantly bleating about how all women are fatally attracted to thugs (and about how the sky is falling and rapture has arrived).

    the ‘all women are attracted to violent thugs’ bullshit is just that: bullshit. the women who are most attracted to violent thugs are women who have been around the block sufficiently so that violent thugs are (a) already within the envelope of their experiences, or, most tantalizingly, (b) just outside that envelope.

    learn this, men:
    for women, THRILL lies outside the envelope of prior experience.
    FREAK-OUT FACTOR also lies outside the envelope — but, here’s the trump card fellas, it doesn’t start until a bit past the threshold.

    the experiences that constitute crack for women (and for men, too, but that’s another matter) are those just outside the envelope of experience — such that the Thrill factor is present, but the Freak-Out factor is still attenuated.

    as the woman experiences these things, her envelope is pushed, and the Thrill and Freak-Out borderlines recede.
    and she chases them.
    and a whore is made.
    and elastic never goes back.

    this is also why men with sufficient sexual experience, with hot or slutty enough girls, will never be happy in a traditional marriage with a ‘good’ girl.
    why do you think sluts like carla bruni have such currency with sexually dominant alphas? clue-by-four: it ain’t just her looks.
    get a grip, people.

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  69. on June 2, 2010 at 3:06 am Mr.C

    Maybe the males that didn’t intervene with the slutty looking woman were hoping that the guy “assaulting” her would rip her clothes off.

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  70. on June 2, 2010 at 3:27 am Robert Seymour

    I think it’s a DHV situation if the abusive guy is there. If other women there see you scare him off, you look dominant. It’s your restaurant.

    But it doesn’t always work for the victim. I once scared off a drunk, abusive boyfriend on a city street who was beating his gf after some women asked me to intervene. The bastard even came at me when I challenged him. It was all for not though. She followed him after I chased him away (like a good Rhianna). My gf at the time thought it was sexy (hence my point about DHV).

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  71. on June 2, 2010 at 3:44 am Jackson

    The 20 hottest women in Conservative Blogging:

    http://rightwingnews.com/2010/06/the-20-hottest-conservative-women-in-the-new-media-2010-edition/

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  72. on June 2, 2010 at 4:34 am Mike

    The 20 hottest women in Conservative Blogging:

    How many of those women have dated soldiers – so-called “real men”? Exactly. Tucker Max would have a better chance with all of those women than a decorated combat veteran.

    I think it’s a DHV situation if the abusive guy is there. If other women there see you scare him off, you look dominant. It’s your restaurant.

    Or your Armani suit could hang from your thick shoulders and back, accentuating your narrow waist. Just LOL at risking being arrested or assaulted by the guttersnipe in order to “own” the restaurant.

    I once scared off a drunk, abusive boyfriend on a city street who was beating his gf after some women asked me to intervene. The bastard even came at me when I challenged him.

    You scared him off after he ran at you? lulz.

    Some of us have seen enough drama to know that you don’t “scare off” someone who comes at you. You beat the person down. Because, after all, the person is already “at” you.

    Next time, think of a better story. Even better: It’s anonymous, man, so there’s no need to write fiction in order to earn e-props.

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  73. on June 2, 2010 at 5:15 am Hungry Hungry Hippos

    My thinking on this is crystal clear: she chose to be with the abuser.

    “But he wasn’t like that when I met him!!”

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  74. on June 2, 2010 at 5:15 am Robert Seymour

    It’s a real story. When I first approached him, he lunged. At first I was startled not expecting it, but I stood my ground and then he ran off. I’m quite a bit taller than him. And she did go after him following him on to a bus.

    I don’t understand your Armani remark but I don’t wear Eurotrash apparel or dress like a greaser if that’s what you mean.

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  75. on June 2, 2010 at 5:16 am Cannon's Canon

    How many of those women have dated soldiers – so-called “real men”? Exactly. Tucker Max would have a better chance with all of those women than a decorated combat veteran.

    very true.

    very weird – my parents moved out of suburban detroit (and after post-grad checks, to rural NJ… for work, of course, not in pursuit of whitopia)

    i was a sharp kid, but not very well-motivated, in retrospect. i remember leafing through a big encyclopedia of colleges plunked down in front of me and putting West Point in my top five.

    i had no direction

    well well well!

    holy shit, my dad was pissed about that! no, no, no! he would have rather sent me to arizona state for a degree in sloppy-seconds pussy-licking! that was better than putting up however many years of athleticism as fodder (for free!).

    my pops is the ultimate ‘beta provider’. bygone age. how could he have known this?

    after all, he would have surely encouraged a math/physics duality!

    but that doesn’t reap the rewards like it used to, back in the days of kids who helped build the house they grew up in.

    have ‘army men’ always been bernanke’s deflationary dismissal? my dad voted for that third party idiot a few elections ago, the one who wanted a CEO salary ceiling of $100k. (hahaha, nader)

    it’s so much more partisan than ever here now, atmospherically. my folks voted against the nj school budget for the first time last cycle. traitorous!

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  76. on June 2, 2010 at 5:53 am Seran

    There was a time where I would step in, to some degree, and do the whole white knight thing, because it was I still believed in being the White Knight was the right thing to do. Me stupid for very long time. Even after I went out on a date with a chick that told me she still had feeling for some guy who had raped her, I was not clued in.

    I have since woken up, and my change in attitude correlates a bit with the experiment.

    Bottom line, I think the way it is *supposed* to work is that men protect women. It’s the social contract, and it is generally the right thing to do. We would like our wives, girlfriends and daughters looked out for when we can’t be around, and that was the way it worked to some degree, I think, assuming the women did their part in ignoring the A-holes.

    BUT, a woman who is insistent on keeping with and spreading her legs for an abusive A-Hole, whether it be over “love” or gina tingles, does not qualify.

    This goes back to the whole theory of game unless I am misunderstanding it.

    The social contract WAS, the general male populace would protect the general female populace from the aggressive Alpha’s, and in return, the females would not reward the Alpha’s with their vaginas and reproduction, and thus keep the gene pool somewhat clean and society from going to hell.

    Now, I did not see the report you are talking about, but I think maybe the calculation for men today is this:

    If woman A and woman B are each being abused by their Alpha, and woman A seems to be truly wanting to escape the situation, while woman B is likely to run after the Alpha, seeking reconciliation, men will decide that the risk to help A is worth it, while the risk to help B is not, being essentially pointless.

    Why risk physical harm, legal hassles, etc, for woman B who is likely going to go home to her beating from the Alpha rather than get in the bar, and who will then moan appreciatively when he cornholes her afterwards?

    So, men have to make some assessment as to whether or not a given situation is one worth his time and personal risk. Without alot of other information, he may go on appearences, fair or not.

    Now, imagine we lived in a world where any man who got in the face of an abuser in that scenario, in any way, was showered with female attention and snatch. Domestic abuse would go the way of the fuckin’ dodo, no?

    In the final analysis, the best call is probably to call the cops, and then monitor the situation to make sure it does not get out of hand until they get there. If they are not available, and things get wacky, do you proceed to make the judgement call.

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  77. on June 2, 2010 at 6:44 am Nicole

    I’ve been in this situation more than once. My response was always to let the out of control idiot, whether male or female, know that he/she was disturbing me, and to take his/her drama elsewhere, if the staff didn’t get to that first…but that’s not because of being a “white knight”.

    The researchers are operating on a false premise. When something like that happens, people expect the staff to do something about it. If they don’t then *after* that, they consider the danger of getting involved.

    The only reason I get involved if the staff is slow is because I’m trained to handle crazy drunk/high people. If I wasn’t then I would care whether the woman seemed to be someone who actually wanted help too.

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  78. on June 2, 2010 at 6:55 am Jason

    This is the most pathetic shit I’ve read. “…he is often genuinely sorry for it later.” He only only says he’s sorry to get her lips wrapped around his dick later.

    “Sometimes people just snap and men because of their more violent nature/nuture are prone to do this.”
    Which university awarded you a degree in women studies?

    FWIW, I wouldn’t intervene. Why should I risk injury, jail, lawsuit, etc, for someone who won’t change their behavior?

    Women get to reap what they sew. Chances are, the abuser called the girl a stupid cunt in front of her friends at least a dozen times before he gave her a black eye. That’s a dozen chances for her to have gotten out.

    What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?
    Nothing, because the idiot obviously doesn’t listen.

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  79. on June 2, 2010 at 7:01 am SirBangalot

    Been there, done that.

    No point in fixing up some strangers’ mess.

    My conclusion:
    If you want to seduce an abused women, here’s how: abuse her and she’ll never leave you.

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  80. on June 2, 2010 at 7:21 am narzheewa

    http://www.newsherald.com/news/southport-82512-battery-woman.html?referrer=reddit

    The man said he told his girlfriend to stay away from him and that, at one point, he ran from the 5-foot-2, 120-pound woman. He was afraid of a confrontation because she has threatened repeatedly to have him put in jail, he told police, and because he thought “the guy automatically went to jail.”

    More stories like this and it truly ends up the way that most males won’t even ever think of marrying and just drop out of society.

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  81. on June 2, 2010 at 7:43 am josh

    What about intervening, not for the sake of the woman per se, but in an effort to publicly humiliate the abuser, enforcing an important, if dying, societal norm.

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  82. on June 2, 2010 at 7:48 am rebelliousvanilla

    I kept trying to explain to women that providing and protecting isn’t something that men have to do to all the beat down tramps. Those two are virtues that should be given to a virtuous woman. In the same sense, chastity is a female virtue and the two male virtues should be granted to a chaste woman who will give you exclusive access to her. This is pretty much the trade, but feminists would like to have their cake and eat it too. So yes, if I was a man, I might help the woman that is properly dressed, while I wouldn’t help the slut. This made me recall having a beer with two male classmates while skipping and this other girl in my class calling one of them to get some book copied for her and he told her that she should come, get the book and copy it herself and then return it to him at which the other guy got bothered by the first guy not acting like a rug. And I told him that unless it’s his girlfriend, he has absolutely no reason to treat her in a certain way just because she has a potentially lukewarm hole in between her legs. It’s not like he will get access to it if he does it, so what’s the point? In the same way, I tried to explain to people why women will always be sluts and men studs for their sexual choices. A woman chooses who she spreads her legs to, men chase. A woman’s virtue is her having a good sexual selection and not spread out to half the town. A man’s is being able to get women to spread out for them.

    Funny enough, I had an argument with this girl about how a friend should get his girlfriend to take him back and she was proposing the typical buy flowers and ask for forgiveness and I told him that if he does that, he is screwed. At that point the girl told me that I’m lucky I’m not a man because I’d end up single and miserable and I told her that I’m not lucky because I’m not a man because I’d end up fairly well and for more time than I do as a woman, considering that I find older men interesting, while men find older women past their prime.

    Grampa, I’m glad that I had a proper childhood in a sane country where I wasn’t allowed to wear makeup until like 17 and in which I didn’t know what sex is until about 14. We actually blushed and stuff when asking someone to be our boyfriend or girlfriend. Too bad the American imported insanity is taking over here too.

    chic noir, you made me recall that trail trash guido girl getting KOed. I remember arguing that she deserved it and if I was the cop I would have released the guy at the first stop if it wasn’t being taped. Funny enough, I never got hit by strange men in my life in a club, but again, I don’t get in their face either. I actually was hit by a man once, but it was because I was trying to help someone. From that moment on, I said screw others since it was a crowded street and nobody did anything except me, a 5’4″ 110lbs girl. Oh, and I don’t consider domestic violence a husband slapping his wife once. If we go by the rules of DV, women commit the emotional parts of domestic violence on a routine level and every married woman should be in jail. It’s a joke. It’s like saying that my father committed child abuse because he slapped me while being my guardian because I did a stupid thing and then mouthed off at him too. If I get out of hand and irrational, I wouldn’t mind my husband slapping me. Obviously, him beating me up is a whole different thing.

    Kate, you just described the behaviour of a pathological narcissist. These are more dangerous than regular men who hit women and they’re a danger to everyone not just their girlfriends/spouses.

    Dave, I completely agree. I’m glad that in my country we don’t have a whole industry designed to please these sluts. It’s funny, but a neighbour hit his wife and she called the cops and they came and fined both of them with disturbing public order. I cracked up when I heard that.

    xxx, that’s about the choice idiotic sluts make when dating black men. Your story made me recall that idiotic feminist going to Haiti to protest against the negative portrayal of black men as rapists and getting raped by a black men and blaming it on the evil white patriarchy. Too bad natural selection didn’t work and she is still alive.

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  83. on June 2, 2010 at 7:58 am crazyshoe

    I’d intervene if it was needed to restore order.

    Order here is construed not as a matrix of care, sensitivity, law, and regimentation supporting and sheltering beta culture and habit, but more in terms of my own personal need. If the fight spills over into my space and, say, I can’t casually sip my coffee, then I might think about responding somehow. Not necessarily with force.

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  84. on June 2, 2010 at 8:12 am Seran

    “What about intervening, not for the sake of the woman per se, but in an effort to publicly humiliate the abuser, enforcing an important, if dying, societal norm.”

    Why enforce only one side of the norm? What’s the point? A pact has got at least two parts.

    Do you think that humiliating the abusers will make any difference if they still get to take the woman home, slap her around to take out his humiliation on her with no one to intervene, and then is rewarded with her adoring wetness wrapped around his cock?

    Oh, yeah, that White Knight whose going home with his dick in his hand really showed him!

    You want to re-establish the societal norm, you have to find a way for woman to appreciate their part in the pact. If they DID, chances are they would not be in the situation in the first place.

    They would fight their natural urges as men are expected to do, and usually do, and instead of getting all wet at the first slap, walk out the fucking door to inform her father/brother so that the proper ass stomping might begin.

    When word of mister slappy-punchy got around, other females, instead of wanting a piece of that bad ass, would shut their thighs for the pig instead throwing their legs over their shoulders for him.

    That does not appear ready to happen, so now there is Game.

    Welcome to the world you created ladies. Enjoy.

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  85. on June 2, 2010 at 8:40 am Tyrone

    As far as GIs being Alpha or not, its an individual thing. When I was in the Army, I did pretty well with the ladies and still do. The conservative women shown above will at least respect the fact that he’s in uniform, but their not being interested has more to do with status and them being celebrities rather than a basic aversion to men in uniform. Most women secretly love uniforms and military men with game get a lot of action.

    You have the gamut in the military, the entire US population in a microcosm of about 1.2 million. The military takes boys and turns them into men. Getting them pussy is not their primary focus, however. Its about character building, fitness, socialization, and learning your specialty. You will get goofy guys who join to become men, get job experience, have a job at all, whatever. A certain number of them will be alphas, most betas, some omegas. Nearly all of them can do their jobs from the military’s perspective, so the military just doesn’t care about teaching them game. That’s a liability from the military’s standpoint, as women cause problems or are neutral at best.

    Some men did far better than me, others were married to ugly, fat, greasy haired hags, and looked the other way while she fucked black guys in front of him on the couch after he passed out from drinking. That is a for real story too. He was still a good soldier and one could depend on him to do his job in the big machine. He just had a crappy private life and no game.

    Special Forces, Rangers, and airborne units usually get a lot of poontang. They even have groupies. Hasn’t anyone here ever heard of the term barracks slut? The most common discipline problems in an SF unit will be drunken, disorderly conduct and spouse abuse. These guys are all alpha as hell. There is a big biker subculture in the SF. Some may not have game, but all are extremely tough, resourceful, fit, intelligent, and clever. If you cross one of them, you will die and they will not get caught.

    Most of these observations I read here are about the guys who join up at 18 and are really no different from any other 18 year old beta in the civilian world. BTW, the military pays very well, despite what you hear out there. I bet most of you dear readers here don’t make what a PFC earns.

    One of the best lines I’ve ever heard came from a soldier I once knew: Women go from being a piece of ass, to no ass, to a pain in the ass.

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  86. on June 2, 2010 at 8:44 am Tyrone

    @ josh

    What about intervening, not for the sake of the woman per se, but in an effort to publicly humiliate the abuser, enforcing an important, if dying, societal norm.

    He’ll just think you’re a little shit stain white knight who should mind his own business. He won’t care about being humiliated in public if he smacks her around in public.

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  87. on June 2, 2010 at 9:00 am Lavazza

    There is a clip on YouTube of the difference in passerbys’ reaction a man behaving badly against a woman and a woman behaving badly to a man. In the latter case there was even a girl smiling and encouraging the woman.

    Anyway I live in a peaceful setting, so I have not seen violence first hand for many years, so I have no idea how I would react.

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  88. on June 2, 2010 at 9:04 am Seran

    Tyrone,

    Seems to me that in a sane world, the average military man in his 20’s or 30’s would get above average attention and appreciation from the ladies without Game.

    Overall above average in fitness, confidence and (despite what many on the left think) intelligence, and some natural Alphaness in that they train to kill bad guys and break their shit, it would seem they should have a leg up.

    Yet, you say game is *still* important in one who wants to do well with women.

    Does that not say it all?

    Seran

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  89. on June 2, 2010 at 9:06 am The Editor

    Hell yes! Pushkin says it like it MF ing is! thumbsup!

    If my girlfreinds start going around with eventually abusers I do not help him, I dump them as freinds and stay w/ my sane, loving, normal guy…(in the event I cannot tell if her new BF is a beater and find out later, I still dump her ass as a freind)

    lp999

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  90. on June 2, 2010 at 9:11 am Badger Nation

    “The fembots harrumphed that this proves that people perceive slutty women as “asking for it”. ”

    Slutty women are generally attention whores, so my on-the-spot mental calculation would be not that she was asking for it, but that she already asked for it – she chose to be with the man precisely because he shows attention by controlling behavior.

    Beyond the self-respect issue, I think Roissy and OneSTDV are both dancing around a simpler explanation: outside of the meat-market establishments (in “polite society”), sluttier women are lower value, and so people are less inclined to pitch in.

    For all their claims of equality, feminists truly believe women are a second sex. Whenever a woman is with an abusive guy, feminists allege some kind of mind control on the part of the abuser to keep her down. A woman having “low self-esteem” excuses accountability for her choices, and as a special bonus can also be blamed on the patriarchy (despite the fact the women’s magazines are edited by women and gay men).

    Every time I talk to a woman who is with a bad guy I get less inclined to white knight in public. If you try to explain “this guy is a jackass/is beating you/is lying to you/doesn’t care about you,” the rationalization hamster goes into overdrive, spitting out cover-up stories until finally settling on “BUT I LOOOVE HIM!!!”

    This is without mentioning the fact that in white knighting you have no idea what the backstory is – maybe he’s a douche, or maybe she’s been hounding him for weeks and he finally lashed out. The subtext of the “it’s never OK to hit a woman” crowd is that a woman can do whatever she wants to provoke a man and not be held to account for his reaction.

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  91. on June 2, 2010 at 9:13 am OhioStater

    Girls seem to forget that the only thing that matters is who you are sleeping with. If I intervene, and I get a hug, but he gets sex, then you don’t appreciate what I did.

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  92. on June 2, 2010 at 9:19 am Badger Nation

    “Seems to me that in a sane world, the average military man in his 20′s or 30′s would get above average attention and appreciation from the ladies without Game.”

    My experience in a military-heavy city backs this up. Uniforms make the gina tingle.

    “Overall above average in fitness, confidence and (despite what many on the left think) intelligence, and some natural Alphaness in that they train to kill bad guys and break their shit, it would seem they should have a leg up.

    “Yet, you say game is *still* important in one who wants to do well with women.

    Does that not say it all?”

    Now I don’t understand what you are trying to argue. Some people have intrinsic gina-tingle factors (“naturals” and attractive bodies) and others have social factors (musicians, soldiers) that bring them success. The men you describe above have both, so they already have natural game.

    Game will improve anybody’s life with women. If military men are satisfied using only their uniform to get girls, more power to them, but you can always be doing better if you add tight game.

    One problem is that military areas tend to be sausage parties, so when you go on deployment she can find another dick in a uniform who has stayed home this time around.

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  93. on June 2, 2010 at 9:28 am Badger Nation

    I think urban atomization has a lot to do with this as well. In the old small-town/urban-borough world, the social networks had more deep connections, so you couldn’t take your battered girlfriend to a restaurant without bumping into somebody who knew her or would get the rumor mill started.

    A woman’s cousin/brother/brother’s lifelong friend/uncle/dad’s longtime work buddy/whatever might be the one intervening, which means that (a) they have a familial motivation to keep their honor by kicking your ass and (b) they are going to inform back to the network, the family closes a support loop around the woman and tries to talk some sense into her. (There’s also the parochial pride of “I’m not going to let some thug run wild in MY town!”)

    Today we have none of those. The open society that allows such sexual freedom also disallows the patriarchal support networks that would help keep women safe from this stuff.

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  94. on June 2, 2010 at 9:31 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    My answer for the women: It’s complicated.

    For the guys: I would stop the beating no matter what, unless the guy was dressed as a cop. My response and effort to stop the beating would be proportional to the beating.

    I’ve seen the alpha beating his wife for questioning him. It appears to be a Southern thing, going atleast as far back as “Gone With The Wind”. It isn’t good, no matter how much you think she deserves it.

    I would not start fighting the guy, but would speak as the authority and demand the fight stop. In that moment, the woman has a choice…get to safety at which time I would bring the fight to the beater, or she’ll tell me to stay out of it, at which time I back away and let her take her lumps.

    I’ve seen women getting a beating, then turn on the guy coming to her rescue, making it easy for her man to take the rescuer out of commission. Terrible thing is, this couple probably has a mess of kids at home, all learning that beatings are ok.

    BEATINGS ARE NEVER OK, other than a swat on the butt of a misbehaving child. There are more effective and less corporal ways to punish a woman. Ways that will not get you time in jail.

    If the woman appears to be the redneck who will turn on her rescuer, let the training lesson continue. If, on the other hand, she appears to be the victim of violence and needs assistance, try to get the guy to stop the beating, and having failed to stop it,take matters into your own hands…hopefully with your buddies.

    If alone, I will avoid a fight, on the very possible chance she will turn on me, so my first step would be to call 911.

    It is sad to admit our society is so messed up that this is even a question. In a pure society, the woman would have known better that to invite a beating and the guy would not expect more than she is capable of.

    I would like to see the beating in question so I could say what I would do in the situations presented. If firearms are likely to be involved, I am keeping my distance. The cops can sort that out.

    Having said all that, it is commonplace for a woman who is dressed slutty to be more likely to be the kind who will turn on her rescuer.

    At Silver Diner one late night, I saw a guy beating his wife outside in the parking lot. The would be rescuer was turned on by the woman. Fortunately, someone called 911 and cops were there quickly.

    All three were bloodied. The woman told the cops that the rescuer attacked them both “for no reason” and that her boyfriend was protecting her.

    The cops were about to take the rescuer away when I talked to one of them and explained what went on…matching the story of the rescuer.

    The cops unhandcuffed him, called an ambulance for the woman and took the beater to jail. The cops then told the rescuer he should have called the cops instead of getting involved and almost going to jail.

    So, the moral is, make sure of the situation before reacting, and make sure you can take the beater down quickly, and make sure your friends are there to keep her from ambushing you, and to be witnesses.

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  95. on June 2, 2010 at 9:33 am Badger Nation

    There’s also the legal argument – if you put your hands on someone, that’s presumptive assault, and you have to make a REALLY good case to the court that your violence was justified when you were not directly threatened.

    And has been shown countless times, you are not going to get any support in court from the girl, the one in the best position to tell the jury what precipitated you beating up her boyfriend.

    Basically, white knighting is not allowed under the law, another reason both the law and white knighting are just plain stupid.

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  96. on June 2, 2010 at 9:37 am Cloud

    The whore wants to be with the guy. End of story.

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  97. on June 2, 2010 at 10:01 am Badger Nation

    I would like to see a parallel experiment where women start bitching and shouting (the female version of abuse) at men in public, and see if anybody steps in to tell her to cool it, cross-referenced against how herb the guy had dressed and how hot she was.

    My guess is that almost nobody would intervene – except maybe the restaurant manager or someone who wanted quiet, and then only because it was threatening their business/dinner.

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  98. on June 2, 2010 at 10:05 am Sidewinder

    I really don’t think “sluttiness” plays into the experiment at all. It is only a class-identifier. I would hypothesize that the participants in the study are not indifferent because they are making some moral judgment of the “victim”, rather they see the interaction as alien to their class understanding. It is clear that there are different expectations for different classes in our society. And even without knowing what the expectations for the lower classes are, someone of another class would feel confused as to what norms to act on. The non-intervening person might later rationalize his inaction by assuming the girl was slutty, or that they were drug users or high on drugs, that she owed the guy money, was a prostitute, maybe the guy would hurt him, etc. etc. etc…. but I think the ultimate factor preventing intervention was that the couple was identified with a lower class where the participants were confused as to the social expectations of that class. Not feeling on firm ground, they were not confident in intervening.

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  99. on June 2, 2010 at 10:10 am anony

    Re: diffusing anger and tension in public.

    Another strategy is to submissively, but confidently address the aggressor with offers of help. Ignore the “victim.”

    It is amazing how fast the aggressor will deescalate when suddenly face-to-face with a harmless intruder.

    I’ve never encountered this in public, but many many times at work (medicine) I’ve entered rooms with high voltage tension between police and perp. I am a smaller sized woman and use my innocent helper voice to reset the perp’s attitude. The perp is reassured by my confidence and calmness, and welcomes the dignified exit out.

    That’s what I would do if I encountered an escalating abusive parent or lover in public.

    jonny five’s comments above are insightful.

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  100. on June 2, 2010 at 10:11 am applier

    This post goes entirely in line with what I thought Roissy blog is about. The basic insight is that female sexual preferences have a great impact on society. Who women choose to sleep with affects society much more than, for example, who they choose vote for. As we can see women reward bad male behavior with hot sex. Clearly this is not a good direction we are heading toward. So what is Roissys response? Another whine blog? Nope. His strategy is to reduce assholery into a mere game, which can be learned like any other skillset. This gives “nice” guys the tools to trigger the positive feelings in women that “bad” guys do naturally without themselves becoming “bad” guys. Even the controversial post about hitting a woman for gina tingle makes sence from this perspective. Its plausible to think that its better for a woman to be hit once by a “nice” guy than regularily and more severly by an immoral asshole.

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  101. on June 2, 2010 at 10:12 am ardent

    women are absolutely obsessed with tragic stories of how so-and-so’s father dealt drugs or abused his kids or the mom was never there or whatever. it’s probably just an attempt at justifying the raw pleasure they get from/attraction they feel for thugs and abusers. start from the bottom (at least from their warped-ass point of view) and anything goes.

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  102. on June 2, 2010 at 10:13 am j r

    i would intervene to stop an beatdown as it was happening, but i wouldn’t get further involved in the situation. i would not try to “rescue” the woman. if the chick left with the dude willingly and he beat the crap out of her at home, then it’s none of my business.

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  103. on June 2, 2010 at 10:14 am alexamenos

    Whaddya say to a woman with two black eyes?

    Nothing, she’s already been told twice.

    ba dum bum…

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  104. on June 2, 2010 at 10:15 am ardent

    and if anyone thinks feministx is even speaking anything remotely close to the truth when she says she’d be attracted to the white knight, you’re still a neophyte. no matter how tight your game is, your femme-speak instant decoder is still plying you with the sounds of sweet beta dreams.

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  105. on June 2, 2010 at 10:16 am greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozl no true father would let tucker max’s cock anywhere close to his duaghter’s anus.

    this si why the fedearl reserve had to hget rid of fathers lzzozozlzl]

    tucker max is a product of womenz and feminism–his lies are dutifully repeated by woemnz and he recedved hundreds of thousands in fait cash from a publishing house trun by a womenz. lolzlz

    the funny thing is that the movie completely flopped and all the guys and men and internet called it out–pretty nmuch everyone else other than priscilla paionton and candace allen:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board
    tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com
    gawker.com/5033233/tucker-maxs-movie-script
    quotabletuckermax.com

    tucker max’s two biggest and most influential fans are priscilla painton of simon and schuster and candace allen of the weekly stanardth (who has never heard of gawker and imdb lzozlzll nor google)–two aging womenz going to shwo what hhappens when you put womenz in charge of culture lzozlzlzozlzozlzlzlzozlz butthexers and secretive tapers of sodomy without the the girlths conthen t are rewarded

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    truly, candace allen adn priscilla painton are doing ebernanke’s work lzozlzlzlz as tucker max rhymse with goldman sax which rhyems with secretive tapings of butthax.

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  106. on June 2, 2010 at 10:18 am kheledale

    i don’t even understand “feministing” or whatever’s take on this. if all modes of dress are equivalent, and we’re supposed to reserve judgement for some mysterious point in the future (perhaps when her glittering personality will flower like a pungent lilly) why do women dress differently in the first place? are their clothes just an accident? do all women fall into a wallace & gromit-type self-dressing contraption when they wake up that chooses their clothes at total random?

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  107. on June 2, 2010 at 10:20 am Chainring

    Some of the comments here make it seem that some posters only saw the first video. There are two videos
    1. White woman and black woman, both dressed conservatively. People intervene in both cases.
    2. White woman and black woman, both dressed more provocatively. Nobody intervenes in either case.

    So it wasn’t just about it being a bigger black guy vs. a smaller white guy or a black woman vs. a white woman.

    Go to feministing for the second video (and the laughably delusional femtard comments): http://www.feministing.com/archives/021272.html

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  108. on June 2, 2010 at 10:22 am Badger Nation

    realist –

    nice vid. Lesson: if you really want to help the damsel in distress, don’t intervene. Videotape it, and send it to the district attorney.

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  109. on June 2, 2010 at 10:29 am Phil

    No more sex in the city
    New York women are going celibate — and they feel happier than ever

    http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/no_more_sex_in_the_city_wCte8S9d7M2RY9VcsqV85K

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  110. on June 2, 2010 at 10:32 am Major Scarlet

    i wonder how many people would respond if it was a woman beating a man?

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  111. on June 2, 2010 at 10:34 am josh

    @Tyrone

    “He’ll just think you’re a little shit stain white knight who should mind his own business. He won’t care about being humiliated in public if he smacks her around in public.”

    Depends on the person, the situation, and how its handled. I think of Bogart smacking Peter Lorre in Maltese Falcon, and informing him that he will take it and like it. Ignore the woman, dominate the man. It might work if you can make it work.

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  112. on June 2, 2010 at 10:36 am Anonymous

    I’d ask for popcorn and enjoy the show. 99% she deserved the beatdown… it’ll be the social norm.

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  113. on June 2, 2010 at 10:37 am The Bucket

    R is on the money with his explanation of the behavior of the individuals on the television program, but Anonymouses Anonymous is correct with his analysis of what to do.

    Even if the women are making conscious decisions to stay with these abusive men doesn’t give those men the right to be abusive. Chances are these women are not staying for the tingles but staying because they are stupid or fearful. They fear what will happen either physically or emotionally if they leave. Yeah, the emotional fear is moronic but sometimes we men have to save women from their own idiocy.

    That being said, there are so many Rihanna types out there that Anonymouses Anonymous is right about covering your ass. You can’t just waltz up there and take over the situation and expect everything to go smoothly. Personally, I would call the police first and then go to stop the beating immediately after the 911 dispatcher says the cops are on the way. That way you can prevent physical violence while also ensuring that you don’t get hauled off to jail for trying to be the good guy.

    Of course what happens after the confrontation is entirely up to the parties involved. If she sticks around with Joe Uppercut, that’s sad but not your problem.

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  114. on June 2, 2010 at 10:41 am Back When I Was Young & Foolish

    Been there. Some coked up girl was getting slapped around in front of a bar before getting into a car with the guy who slapped her.

    A few of us, all bouncer sized guys with decent street fighting experience, immediately went outside. Tried to separate them, get the girl out of the car. Bad idea.

    A) We didn’t know that the girl had broken his nose and was probably a useless cokehead.

    B) A gang of guys approaches someone who’s already demonstrated no concern for social decorum… there’s going to be conflict. One of us almost got killed that night.

    Moral of the story, if it’s not you and yours stay away.

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  115. on June 2, 2010 at 10:43 am alexamenos

    >>>>Yeah, the emotional fear is moronic but sometimes we men have to save women from their own idiocy.<<<<

    Ya know….I don't think we have to. I think we can leave them to their idiocy and be no worse off.

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  116. on June 2, 2010 at 10:44 am ardent

    “Yeah, the emotional fear is moronic but sometimes we men have to save women from their own idiocy.”

    no, no we really don’t. welcome to the world of independence, women-cum-tucker-groupies!

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  117. on June 2, 2010 at 10:52 am Dr. Grzlickson

    TANSTAAFL

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  118. on June 2, 2010 at 10:52 am The Bucket

    Sorry that I feel like we have a responsibility to one another. Sometimes we have an obligation to save another man from his own idiocy as well. If you had a buddy that was hooked on drugs, wouldn’t you try to help him out? If he constantly refused then yes you can wash your hands but don’t you have an obligation to help someone in trouble?

    I should note that the real absurdity here is the Feministing groups. They constantly squawk for men and women to be exactly the same, demonize men and push for their complete feminization… and yet when a woman is in trouble they demand that someone, preferably a big strong man, be there to help them. Pick one. Either women are vulnerable and need the protection of strong men or they are to be treated exactly the same as men and I wouldn’t be jumping in to save anyone if it was two dudes fighting unless one was on the verge of being beaten to death.

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  119. on June 2, 2010 at 10:58 am ExtraStout

    My dad is a retired Los Angeles police officer.

    He has countless stories of battered women appearing in court and refusing to testify against their abusive husbands, or actually changing their story in order to undermine the police report.

    They almost ALWAYS go back to the guy, even after he punches her teeth out.

    To see a battered woman actually use the law to stand up to her abuser is very very rare.

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  120. on June 2, 2010 at 11:07 am Tarl

    on June 1, 2010 at 9:42 pm Grampa

    Besides, the guy might be armed or be a madman. What reason do I have to risk my life, upon whom others depend in one way or another, to help a stranger who very likely put herself into this situation, against the advice of her friends and family. And, as we know, will likely return to it.

    Exactly right! There’s a very short list of people for whom I’ll put my life on the line, and strange women, skanky or not, are simply not on it.

    I have seen male/female public physical altercations on a number of occasions, and in no case did I step in. I am not going to be stabbed or shot or even so much as punched in the face for the benefit of a stranger. I was bigger than the men, and martial arts trained as well. One time the woman was an obvious skank, the other times, not. But, I chose to mind my own business every time. Didn’t hurt me at all with the chicks I was with that I didn’t white-knight, either.

    chic noir

    Was he truly short fused? Or was he a brave man willing to risk his safety to save another human being. I don’t like violent men but I do need a man who is willing to protect me when something goes down.

    I’ll protect MY woman. Someone else’s woman, no way. Indeed, it is precisely because I have my own woman (and children) that I’m not going to intervene on behalf of some other woman. As grampa said, others depend on me, and only for them will I risk my life.

    There is no way I can respect a man who jumps behind me when confronted by another man.

    But that wasn’t the scenario here. Do you respect a man who seeks out needless confrontation? In such cases intelligence and judgment are sadly lacking.

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  121. on June 2, 2010 at 11:09 am Nicole

    For me, it’s not about whether or not the woman deserves to get beaten. I don’t want to have to deal with that kind of drama when I’m out trying to enjoy myself. Someone acting crazy brings the place down, and whoever’s freaking out needs to be told that they’re disturbing the peace.

    One should not get involved if they don’t know what they’re doing though. Some crazy folks are packing weapons. So the first thing is to know what to say, and then you might be able to avoid a physical confrontation that you might not come out of alive. Remind the person that they’re in a public place, and word it as if you’re on their side.

    “No bitch is worth embarassing yourself in public/going to jail/getting banned from your favorite pub/whatever,” has calmed down many an angry man.

    Granted, taking that line has made a few bitches angry at me, but oh well. I do whatever works. When it doesn’t quite work, the conversation usually distracts them long enough for the staff to close in.

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  122. on June 2, 2010 at 11:10 am j r

    The message is getting through. GBFM is an intellectual hero.

    ok, GBFM has grown on me to the point that i sometimes find him amusing and occasionally i chuckle out loud at one of his jokes. some of his points about fiat money and sending our soldiers to die in foreign wars are valid. all that being said, the dude is coo coo for cocoa puffs.

    bernanke sends young men to die in fiat wars on foreign shores

    how exactly does bernanke send anyone to war? bush, with the tacit acceptance of congress, sent troops to war. bernanke wasn’t even the fed chairman until 2006. maybe bernanke suggested it to bush when they were in switzerland plotting with the six jews who run the world, while tucker max kept the whole cabal furnished with virgin buttholes to “hex”. all the while charlotte allen was keeping the minutes.

    Remember in WWII? There were parades, and pictures of men returning home to beautiful women… In a just society, soldiers should be alphas. Yet soldiers are regularly cheated on, denigrated by women, and abused by neocons. Soldiers are shit on.

    they are? i’m a soldier. i’ve never been shit on. i cannot think of two times that anyone has ever had anything but kind words to say to me upon finding out that i am a veteran. and do you really think that women weren’t cheating during WWII. don’t be naive. there was no golden age when all men were alphas and all women were virtuous. those things are a definitional impossibility.

    and, by the way, before about a hundred years ago the whole world was on the gold standard. you may be surprised to find this out, but wars were still fought. a lot of times those wars were fought over gold and silver or whatever commodity backed the economy. there may be plenty of problems with fiat money, but it’s just stupid to blame wars on the fiat system.

    all of these things may be related, but it takes a bit of sophistication and subtelty to understand how the world works. conspiracy theories are the lowest form of political discourse.

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  123. on June 2, 2010 at 11:10 am alexamenos

    >>>>If you had a buddy that was hooked on drugs, wouldn’t you try to help him out? If he constantly refused then yes you can wash your hands but don’t you have an obligation to help someone in trouble?<<<<<<

    Been there and done that.

    To carry the analogy back to women's idiocy, we're culturally past a point where we've gently interceded, helped the druggie get a real estate license, and he's responded by selling our house while we were gone and throwing a $450k crack party.

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  124. on June 2, 2010 at 11:11 am alexamenos

    http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11888

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  125. on June 2, 2010 at 11:14 am Badger Nation

    Just watched both videos. Something no one has mentioned: in the second video (with the
    “slutty” attire), both men “shame” the women:

    White guy in business suit: “You’re going to wear that in public? You’re embarrassing me!”

    Black guy in sweater: “You’re going to wear that to meet my PARENTS?”

    The actor-men were operating from a position of strength – he announced that the woman had transgressed a social norm. Reaping what you sow, ladies…you’ve used shaming language to control men and box them in. People in general respond to social standards, so don’t be surprised when it works the other way.

    BTW, the feministing title “What Would You Do If You Saw A Woman Being Battered?” is misleading. No battery is going on in the restaurant – there’s just makeup suggesting she’s been beaten before.

    This is typical of feminism, which loves to play with language and is always trying to conflate morally reprehensible behavior with behavior they just don’t like by appropriating language accordingly. The term “date-rape” used to describe drunk women going home with one-night stands comes to mind. Just yesterday a female celebrity said that being chased by the cameras was “felt like being raped.”

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  126. on June 2, 2010 at 11:20 am Badger Nation

    I would think about intervening if the woman explicitly cried for help to the crowd.

    Yesterday the Supreme Court (fiat masters, no doubt) ruled that a detainee must explicitly invoke his Miranda rights to receive their protection – on other words, the cops have to read the rights, but they cannot be considered to have violated Miranda unless the suspect tells them to back off on questioning.

    I think it’s a BS ruling, but the analogy is that if you want some protection, you gotta ask for it. I’m not going to risk my power and freedom for some possible abusee who doesn’t want my help.

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  127. on June 2, 2010 at 11:23 am Badger Nation

    “He has countless stories of battered women appearing in court and refusing to testify against their abusive husbands, or actually changing their story in order to undermine the police report.

    They almost ALWAYS go back to the guy, even after he punches her teeth out.

    To see a battered woman actually use the law to stand up to her abuser is very very rare.”

    Classic example of how the law ensnares beta-males in either a single moment of bad judgment or a false allegation, while true psychopathic abusers go free.

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  128. on June 2, 2010 at 11:57 am HLS

    I watched both versions (“conservative” and “slutty”). Good lord, what a shoddily produced “experiment.” The word has to be in quotes because the situations aren’t even remotely comparable.

    The initial huge problem is that in the “conservative” situation, the women start out crying and upset before the “boyfriend” arrives. In contrast, in the “slutty” version, the boyfriend arrives first and the girlfriend is demonstrably affectionate and happy to see him. In fact, in the “slutty” version, the black woman starts out with a peck on the lips.

    Why would this matter? A couple of reasons. First, the commentators assume that because they “make up” a girl to be bruised, we should assume she’s being beaten by the boyfriend. But people do get bruised for other reasons – people really do walk into doors, they have car accidents, anything like that. The default polite response is not to call attention to somebody’s physical appearance. “Oh my god, what’s that on your face, who’s been beating you?” “Nobody – I’ve got acne breakouts. Thanks for drawing attention to it, asshole.” By starting out the “conservative” girls crying about their boyfriends before they arrive, the producers waved a huge red flag that the bruises were abuse-related. In the “slutty” version, they didn’t – as far as we can tell, the “slutty” couples seem happy, until the argument starts. The message, then, is that we should assume every argument is an abuse situation? That’s real nice. Second, on an empathy level, the patrons of the restaurant are going to instinctively be more inclined to support the person who was there first – after all, they weren’t disruptive when they were there initially, and whoever comes in second gets a little extra “interloper” vibe. It’s not a full “in-group” reaction, but there’s always a little of that. Plus, if a girl starts out kissing her boyfriend and then he yells at her, isn’t that a strong indication that they’re pretty solidly together and that she’ll just turn on you if you intervene? She is demonstrating her loyalty to him early on.

    Besides, the argument issues are totally mishandled. In the “conservative” version, the guy argues with the actress about something everyone would agree is retarded – whether or not she ordered his food for him (I mean, seriously? Who demands that their girlfriend order their food when they’re already there?) Thus, the guy is set up to be a total idiot hothead that is also petty, stupid, and rude. In contrast, in the “slutty” version, the argument is precisely about the clothes. Everyone can see that yes, there is at least a question about whether the clothes are an issue. Everyone is probably mad at the guy for yelling and creating a scene, because they just want to eat in peace, but they don’t immediately peg him as a crazy hothead spoiling for any excuse to fight just so he can wail on his girlfriend. In fact, that’s what the “intervening” couple does in the “slutty” version – the neighboring table points out that they’re “embarassing themselves as a couple” and that it’s not appropriate to argue like that in a restaurant. In other words, people are less likely to perceive an eagerly abusive guy, and more likely to see a couple of rude assholes who don’t have the courtesy to keep their (at least understandable) private fights out of the public square.

    I don’t even think this has much to say about the “class” of the supposed victim. It’s just a dumb bit of sensationalism that tweaks its parameters just enough to elicit different reactions – but then pretends they’re comparable to draw its own preferred point.

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  129. on June 2, 2010 at 12:25 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Anony (no relation) said:
    “I’ve never encountered this in public, but many many times at work (medicine) I’ve entered rooms with high voltage tension between police and perp. I am a smaller sized woman and use my innocent helper voice to reset the perp’s attitude. The perp is reassured by my confidence and calmness, and welcomes the dignified exit out.”

    Anony, your assumption as to why he calms down is wrong. The reason he calms down is because in the back of his mind, he thinks if he calms down, you might blow him in the janitor’s closet.

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  130. on June 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm mgtow

    White knights don’t get laid, and chivalrous men may even endanger their lives while playing out the save-a-damsel-in-distress fantasy.

    See this:
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10098/1048852-100.stm

    Unless it’s a female family member (even that is optional depending on circumstances), ignore, ignore, ignore. That woman is about to get raped and/or beaten to a bloody pulp? It’s NOT your problem.

    You women are strong and independent and so very smart, you can save your own hides. This is the 21st century. Grrls KICK BUTT! The mass media and ‘gender experts’ say so, therefore it must be true.

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  131. on June 2, 2010 at 1:20 pm narzheewa

    I worked as security for a while (a very shitty job, but I needed the money) and actually being helpful, calm, polite and confident helps a lot. People who just wanted fights and escalate confrontations – yeah, they got to visit ambulances and do paperwork for police.

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  132. on June 2, 2010 at 1:32 pm polymath

    This is getting complicated. Here are some simple rules:

    1) If you think the woman might actually get killed, ALWAYS intervene by calling the cops if you can’t physically stand up to the guy, or standing up to him if you can.

    2) If the woman asks for your help, help her as above.

    3) If you are in a position of any authority, tell the guy “get the fuck out of my store” or the equivalent, or call the cops on him for creating a disturbance.

    4) Otherwise leave it, she’s free to walk away. (If he doesn’t let her, see cases 1 and 2.)

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  133. on June 2, 2010 at 1:34 pm polymath

    And by the way, the rules described above are me about being a proper human being. Whether it would help me get laid or make me look like a wimp is totally irrelevant in a situation like this, EVEN if I am in the middle of a pickup attempt in the first place.

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  134. on June 2, 2010 at 1:35 pm polymath

    Typo, should say “about me being a proper human being”.

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  135. on June 2, 2010 at 1:55 pm Ronin

    Phil

    “No more sex in the city
    New York women are going celibate — and they feel happier than ever”

    Phil, allow me to translate.

    No pussy for b-e-t-a-s.

    You’re welcome.

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  136. on June 2, 2010 at 2:15 pm Riff Dog

    While I agree with everything you’re saying here, I’d still step in because if I didn’t, I would look like a pussy, at least if my wife or other ladies were around. I’m 6’5″ and even though I’m not 25 anymore, I’m in very good shape, so whenever stuff like that goes down, all eyes tend to be on me.

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  137. on June 2, 2010 at 2:15 pm Nicole

    Mgtow says, “You women are strong and independent and so very smart, you can save your own hides. This is the 21st century. Grrls KICK BUTT! The mass media and ‘gender experts’ say so, therefore it must be true.”

    Enough of us have “manned up” in the absence of protective males that it is true. When men don’t take care of us, we have to take care of ourselves, and we do.

    The problem is that you want the benefits without the butch. You can fuck right off along with the feminists busy making more parentally impaired boys for my daughter and probably my future grand daughters to have to beat the hell out of for being morbidly stupid.

    Someone’s got to be the man. If it’s not you then you don’t get a vote in this.

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  138. on June 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm alexamenos

    on a slightly tangential note….

    true story….way back when I was a younger man I saved a young boy from drowning.

    I had some time to kill so I was a hanging by the pool one sunny day and this chubby black boy was throwing coins to the deep end of the pool and then diving in and fetching them. I noticed it was getting tougher and tougher for him but he kept on going….’til he went to far. He came up to the surface of the pool gasping for air and trying to call for help. His big black mama started screaming, ‘save my boy, somebody please save my boy!!!!’

    I looked about and noticed I was the only other person near the pool, so reluctantly I put my magazine aside and stood up off my chair, walked over to the edge of the pool, cupped my hands together as a makeshift megaphone and shouted to the boy,

    “Hey, look at me….now, just relax and swim.”

    The boy was safely clinging to the edge of the pool only a few short moments later.

    I don’t tell this story to brag about my stunning courage and selfless-ness, but instead to make this point:

    Made-for-tv dramatizations aside, most abuse is going to happen at home, behind closed doors, where the soon-to-be-bitch-slapped victim waits patiently for her thug boyfriend. She doesn’t need someone to dive in and save her, she needs to pack her shit and leave. White knights can’t help with that.

    (ps,

    what do 15 women in a battered shelter have in common?

    they just don’t listen to reason.

    ^^^^this is an example of the sort of tasteless humor that should be banned from this website)

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  139. on June 2, 2010 at 2:23 pm Seth

    LOL @ “emotional tampon”

    Nice one

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  140. on June 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm alexamenos

    >>>>Enough of us have “manned up” in the absence of protective males that it is true. When men don’t take care of us, we have to take care of ourselves, and we do.

    The problem is that you want the benefits without the butch.<<<

    I think you're correct if you say something to the effect that men get the women they deserve (and vice versa), but I think you've got the order backwards when you say that women butch up when men don't take care of them….

    "Men taking care of women" was exactly the sort of patriarchal oppression that women fought for the length of the feminist movement.

    Women are indepent from we nice little supportive betas (and it's kinda fuckin' funny to tell you the truth). If you want protection and support, go to the police and to your local welfare department.

    feminism….this is what victory looks like ^^^

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  141. on June 2, 2010 at 2:34 pm Nicole

    Alexamenos says, “Made-for-tv dramatizations aside, most abuse is going to happen at home, behind closed doors, where the soon-to-be-bitch-slapped victim waits patiently for her thug boyfriend. She doesn’t need someone to dive in and save her, she needs to pack her shit and leave. White knights can’t help with that.”

    Very true.

    If I see a public confrontation, I can’t make assumptions about whether or not there’s abuse going on or just a one off or occasional fight.

    Also, most so-called abuse I’ve ever seen has been fighting, not the guy just beating on the woman. In the vast majority of cases, the woman gives as good as she gets, and often starts fights.

    I have seen more women being physically violent towards men in public than I have seen men being physically violent towards women in public. They feel very free to slap and use not just shaming, but degrading and humiliating language towards men who haven’t done anything particularly wrong to them.

    They’re also quite often more difficult to get under control once they’ve gone hysterical. Women are also more likely to use a weapon.

    This is why I’m more concerned about the atmosphere than the girl’s specifics. I’ve seen enough to know that true victims are rare. Aside of thug love, there is a problem of psycho bitches.

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  142. on June 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm the_alpha_male

    A scenario that i have witnessed more than a few times:

    Thug BF beats gf, white knight comes to the woman’s defense. Women comes to thug BF’s defense (ie. jumps on white knight’s back and tries to scratch his eyes out).

    If someone calls the Police, gf says white knight assaulted thug bf and that she and thug bf were just having an argument.

    This recently happened to my friend Kirk.

    I told him it was going to happen. I reminded him of this after the fact but being a fucking moron his only response was:

    “It just wasn’t right for him to beat on her like that. It just isn’t right.”

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  143. on June 2, 2010 at 2:52 pm Nicole

    Alexamenos, I don’t think I have it backwards. Shit rolls downhill.

    Those of us in ethnicities and classes who’ve been the scaffolding for the out of touch feminist elite ego have never had the influence to fight the changes, nor the money to insulate ourselves from the effects. Also, the daughters had no control of what our mothers did before we were even born or before we were aware of what was going on.

    So long after our moms were watching women who could actually afford to go to college without merit scholarships, burning their bras on television, we had to go to school with guys who didn’t have a mother at home or a strong male role model.

    We couldn’t get away from them because we couldn’t afford not to go to public school, and our parents couldn’t afford to homeschool us. They needed both their incomes to get by.

    Some of our dads, convinced they could do better, left our moms. Some of our moms, convinced they’d rather have the money than the man, abandonned our dads. Our dads may or may not have paid child support, but either way, they weren’t there, and our moms couldn’t afford nannies.

    None of us asked to be born, but we’re forced to cope in the world that we live in. Hot girls at least have betas orbiting them, and middle class version alphas trying to game them. The rest of us have to make due without any of that, and have to butch up to survive.

    Now, the people who are aware of what is going on can choose to rise to the occasion or fall into the mire that is destroying everyone else. That’s all I’m saying. If you see a situation is screwed up, why would you want to be screwed up with it?

    I personally did what I needed to do to survive (butched up). It’s the same thing my ancestors did to survive European invasion, tenant farming, and poverty, so that’s no big deal. What I didn’t do is buy the feminist party line that women are the same as men, and that it’s a good thing for women to be manly. I see the difference between my personal preferences, and things I do to survive, and what things ought to be like.

    Partly because of the history and my family managing okay and bringing ourselves up, it’s not hard for me to be both strong and respectful of men.

    So I think men should find a balance between being conscious of the political situation, and still being men. If they don’t then they’re not helping us non feminist or non elite dupes who think feminism is helping them, or themselves.

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  144. on June 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm titan

    I didn’t see either woman as looking “slutty”

    I saw the first guy as the sort that – back in the day – I might have started shit with just for the entertainment it would bring me (possible chance to fight being an added bonus).

    I saw the second guy as one who I would tend to leave alone (losing a fight isn’t entertaining – and he looked more capable).

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  145. on June 2, 2010 at 3:24 pm With privilege comes responsibility « Foseti

    […] privilege comes responsibility From Roissy: If women want the assistance of white knights, they need to behave in a manner that is indicative […]

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  146. on June 2, 2010 at 3:36 pm Usually Lurking

    Nicole, your last comments were interesting, but, why be a traditional man if 1.) the one group is descended from girls who chose cads, or 2.) the other group were burning their bras and defying social norms?

    If the one group is consistently defying traditional social norms by producing generation after generation of single mothers and the other group decides that they need a man like a fish needs a bicycle, why be the white knight?

    Instead, as a man, simply look at the hand that society has dealt you and adapt (i.e. pump and dump).

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  147. on June 2, 2010 at 3:57 pm alexamenos

    >>>>>>>I don’t think I have it backwards. Shit rolls downhill.

    Those of us in ethnicities and classes who’ve been the scaffolding for the out of touch feminist elite ego have never had the influence to fight the changes, nor the money to insulate ourselves from the effects.<<<<<<<

    That's a very fair statement. I should at least restrict my comments to my own cracker community.

    I think it's fair to say that feminism is the political ideology of white, college educated, middle-class women….white, college educated, middle-class males have heard for about 2 generations very little other than how awful is our treatment of the superior sex. It's just a matter of time (a generation or two or three) until the logic of feminism takes it's toll on middle-class crackers of both genders….

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  148. on June 2, 2010 at 4:10 pm john

    I assume youve heard the occ. story about a fight where one guy hits his head,is killed or rendered a paralytic. Imagine if u intervened for some dumbslut being slapped by her a-hole BF and you wound up in a wheelchair. “I’ll never walk,be w/o a diaper,feel my dick again! But I stood up for womanhood!” And the slut wouldn be long gone!

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  149. on June 2, 2010 at 4:32 pm Jabberwocky

    What if I just like any excuse for a little of the ole’ ultra violence? I mean, what if its not about the chick being female at all? What if I get involved in any unfair beatdown just to satiate the violence-tingle in my medulla oblongata? Can’t one just enjoy violence for the sake of violence? Its better to do it for a good cause than to go out randomly looking for trouble, isn’t?

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  150. on June 2, 2010 at 4:40 pm sfer

    the way i heard it, the big guy in the white shirt was one of “their” security people – in other words, in on the deal (that’s why his face is clouded). he was risking absolutely nothing with his “bravery”. the women who say they were attracted most to him simply responded to a staged display of dominance, not some grand nobility trait.

    Watch it again. The security guy had a dark sport coat.

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  151. on June 2, 2010 at 4:55 pm chic noir

    commenter 1This is eye opening. The women still aren’t responding to the hero, the striped shirt guy. It’s like he’s invisible. They only see the two violent men. Wow.

    max replies Yeah this is amazing me – the real hero the guy in the yellow stripped shirt takes so much risk, but all they see is the other violent guy.. Unbef’nleavable

    What are you reading? Femx and I think the striped shirt guy is a hero. Both of us.

    Or are you talking about the women in the restuatrant? Should they have given striped shirt a coochie coupon after he saved the woman?

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  152. on June 2, 2010 at 5:21 pm Jason

    Chic Noir, did striped shirt give you ‘gina tingles or not?

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  153. on June 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm chic noir

    Jason- yes sir, he(white knight) did.

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  154. on June 2, 2010 at 6:40 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Nicole, sadly MGTOW is right. If we are supposed to be equal to men, we must earn our keep and protect our behind. I don’t see women as manning up, but as just leeching on the government and substituting men with it. And your ancestors sold each other into slavery, hardly that much European invasion. Leaving this aside though, any woman can get a beta provider. All it takes is not having kids out of wedlock and a damaged moral compass. If you’re a pleasant person to be around with and you don’t have ridiculous expectations, you will find someone that will commit to you.

    I’m still amused by the fact that people actually take ethnicity studies or gender studies. Don’t you have a better thing to do than get a degree in worthless crap or waste your time in highschool on that? At least I learned calculus and analysis in 11th grade, which are college level things in America.

    And another thing, public schools in the US aren’t that bad. You should see how my highschool looked. I had to wear my jacket inside during the winter because the temperature was the same and it was on the earthquake risk buildings list. And my math teacher kept saying that girls can’t do math and that we’re all idiots. In a couple of years I will go to a top 30 university to get a graduate degree and it’s all the IQ I got from my parents and being committed to a goal.

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  155. on June 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm chic noir

    Rvanilla-where are you from?

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  156. on June 2, 2010 at 8:29 pm Grampa

    Chic Noir:

    About black guys not killing white guys (or Asian guys) who whiteknight against them.

    This just in. Really.

    ttp://www.inquisitr.com/74575/steven-hill/

    ttp://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/crime/tom-dong-la-homicide-no-123-as/

    Is this a learning experience for you or what?

    Another example of it being a bad idea to whiteknight against a black guy. At a strip bar I frequent, one night an off duty black cop pulled a dancer off the stage and starting hitting her with his fists. This girl is about as nice and gentle a person as you could ever meet. She had become agitated about his extremely rude behavior and failure to tip her. So, she poured a bottle of water on his head. She came from South Dakota, and obviously wasn’t used to black male alpha behavior.

    The black cop pulled out his gun when the bouncer came over. The bouncer knew what to do. He simply covered up the girl so the cop couldn’t keep hitting her. Imagine if some white knight (me) had tried to push the cop away from the girl. Bang. Bang. You’re dead.

    BTW, off duty cops are required to carry guns at all times in Baltimore, even in strip bars with strict security and no weapons allowed. That’s why it is a bad idea to try to rob a strip bar in Baltimore. There are often off duty cops with guns in the club.

    Blacks are just too violent to mess with, IMHO. They don’t seem to understand that violence may, in unusual situations, be used as a tool to achieve a result, but violence is never an end in itself.

    About FeministX hooking up with some whiteknight. She has to be kidding. She HATES betas males, and betas are the guys who will whiteknight. After all, it takes a good, decent person with a strong sense of right and wrong to put himself at risk for a stranger who likely despises him for what he is. No better definition of a beta. Or, a good Christian.

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  157. on June 2, 2010 at 8:30 pm Polymath

    chic n,

    rebelliousvanilla is a Romanian chick. Check out her blog.

    By the way, why is it that female commenters on this blog are much more likely to have their own blogs than male commenters? I think it must be that you need self-confidence to blog and women with little self-confidence must find this site a screaming horror.

    rv,

    I like your blog — why the hell are there so few American women with your attitude? Obviously you don’t get a huge amount of credit for rejecting leftism since it ruined your country, but why is it that plenty of American men are capable of figuring that out without being personally affected but American women prefer to believe the leftist garbage?

    By the way, WHO is that frizzy-haired blonde chick you post videos of? If I weren’t married I would be taking radical steps to arrange to encounter her in person. She seems to be even more politically hard-core than you are, and she’s also gorgeous.

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  158. on June 2, 2010 at 8:41 pm Polymath

    Grampa,

    We live in a modern industrial society where part of the deal is relying on law enforcement to handle violence. It is silly to risk your life white knighting when you can just call 911. On the other hand, there is no excuse not to call 911 if someone is in danger.

    There are places where the cops are worthless, but sane people should not venture into those places unless they themselves have a gun and know how to use it.

    Unfortunately, there are also entire societies where the cops have become worthless, including, tragically, the birthplace of the modern police force, Great Britain. My mother is from England, and I feel an extremely strong cultural affinity to Britain, but I wouldn’t settle there for a million dollars.

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  159. on June 2, 2010 at 8:43 pm Grampa

    anony

    About being cheery and all to defuse a situation in the ER, try that with a 6’4” muscular black male high on cocaine.

    My daughter’s ex-boyfriend tried to white knight for a nurse getting attacked by one such fellow in the ER. He received permanent injuries.

    Or try being cheery and all when you don’t have cops with guns around.

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  160. on June 2, 2010 at 8:51 pm chic noir

    grampa Chic Noir:

    About black guys not killing white guys (or Asian guys) who whiteknight against them.

    This just in. Really.

    *sigh*

    Grampa, I didn’t say it couldn’t happen or never happens.

    I said the likelyhood of it happening is lower for you to be killed by the mystical giant negro “6’4 musclar blk guy”* than it is for another blk guy.

    Your getting killed by “6’4 musclar” is much lower than DA’s or Obsidian’s. In the event that you were killed by such a person, if the perp was caught, he would face a harsher jail sentence for killing you than he would for Obsidian or DA.

    * you do know not every blk man is 6+ feet tall and muscular right.

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  161. on June 2, 2010 at 8:53 pm chic noir

    @polymath- thank you.

    grampa They don’t seem to understand that violence may, in unusual situations, be used as a tool to achieve a result, but violence is never an end in itself.

    I agree with this 80% of the time.

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  162. on June 2, 2010 at 9:05 pm Grampa

    Chic noir said:

    This just in. Really.

    *sigh*

    Grampa, I didn’t say it couldn’t happen or never happens.
    =============================

    Chic noir, this happened the same day you said it wouldn’t be a likely event.

    Coincidence?

    Notice the motive for the attack. Notice the clever way this perp carried out his crime and escaped cleanly?

    No, this was a senseless and lethal action, which is why if you ever get involved in a violent altercation with a black male, assume lethal violence will ensue.

    Coming back to this thread: That’s why white people are unlikely to intervene with the black couple. They don’t want to die or have to kill somebody.

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  163. on June 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm killerwhale52

    Nicole et al : If You stand up to help, are you ready to fight? And if a weapon is involved, are you willing severely injure or kill this guy? I grew up amongst what most of you would call a heavy criminal element. Fact is, and I learned this a long time ago, abused women are stupid, and it flat ain’t worth getting cut up over. Just remember, are you willing to get involved in some stupid shit, get cut up or shot for a slut that won’t leave such a situation?

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  164. on June 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Polymath, I rarely post on my blog anymore and a lot of the old things are stuff I don’t believe in considering that I had quite a few of epiphanies since then. And there won’t be many Romanian women in a generation or two with my attitude anymore either since we gladly import your non-values. We have this attitude because we’re not brainwashed into political correctness/feminism/multiculturalism/races and genders being social constructs/so on and we like our own people in a love-hate way, but we still like it.

    Probably men figure it out because men are smarter than women related to these things(logical way) and they actually aren’t sheltered from them. Also, women are prone to doing things to gain social acceptance and your country is culturally leftist to the core so to be accepted you must be a leftist.

    I don’t know who that woman is. I just like her videos and you’d fail related to meet her in person. She is married. Besides, she doesn’t want children and if I’d be a man, I wouldn’t marry a woman who won’t have kids, since it defeats the purpose of marriage. She’s also into secular humanism, which is complete trash and is part of our current problem, not the solution(like most of the cultural inventions of the last 200-250 years). No, she isn’t more hardcore than me.

    Don’t worry though, neither me nor her are the only women with this type of views from my country. If you read Mangan’s Armance is from the same city as me. lol. Still, for my country looks aren’t that much of a problem to find. For example, in my class we are five girls with a 24-25″ waist(out of 21) and only one girl in it is overweight.

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  165. on June 2, 2010 at 9:42 pm chic noir

    grandpa Chic noir, this happened the same day you said it wouldn’t be a likely event.

    Grampa this is what I wrote ” grampa Any white knights out there want to intervene with a black guy? Be prepared for lethal violence

    if you’re blk then yes. If wht, you’ll probably just get a beat down at worse. Blk men know that they face serious jail time if “they” do to you what they do to each other(genocide).”

    and I stand by that. There are 200 million whites in this country, on any given day 100 million of them aren’t being attacked by huge blk men. Will it happen sometimes, yes it will but a blk guy is more likely to be the target of Huge blk man’s violence, not you.

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  166. on June 2, 2010 at 9:49 pm chic noir

    Killerwhale52- actually I can accept that some people will be too afraid to help even if they really want to. It’s the people who are like “so the heck what” that really bother me.

    Chic noir, this happened the same day you said it wouldn’t be a likely event.

    Notice the motive for the attack. Notice the clever way this perp carried out his crime and escaped cleanly?

    Yup, he’s a cop. When you are the law, you make the law. They get away with beating people up, even white people now.

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  167. on June 2, 2010 at 10:01 pm Liverlips

    “if you’re blk then yes. If wht, you’ll probably just get a beat down at worse. Blk men know that they face serious jail time if “they” do to you what they do to each other(genocide).”

    and I stand by that. There are 200 million whites in this country, on any given day 100 million of them aren’t being attacked by huge blk men. Will it happen sometimes, yes it will but a blk guy is more likely to be the target of Huge blk man’s violence, not you.”

    Actually, there is more black-on-white crime in the U.S. than white-on-black crime.

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  168. on June 2, 2010 at 10:06 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Oh, I forgot to add, in my country the police is useless. I witnessed a guy getting stabbed in the neck and I ran out of the place and to a police officer and I told him to come and he told me that he can’t because he is on duty to guard the city hall. What the heck? So if I was getting raped on the other side of the street, he wouldn’t have done anything? I almost got stabbed once in a park and I went to file a complaint and a cop went out to look for the dude and he said he didn’t find anybody, but didn’t allow me to make a formal complaint since they would have been forced to do something about it. The only people doing stuff are the special police forces and the riot cops/gendarmery. The rest are wasting space.

    Since we’re at it:

    Average undergraduates at my university. The best looking girls usually go to private universities though, not at mine, even though mine used to have the best looking girls before private unis existed. Funny enough, there is the engineering uni in my city and there are jokes about it. That a mother has two girls, one is beautiful and one is an engineering student. I’m a student at engineering and the most beautiful girl in my class is John. Apparently, traditionally the girls there were ugly, but now they’re not that bad. But according to my friends, the combination of looks and women being pleasant to men is the best in this place:

    I don’t know, I have a British friend who said that in Europe the more you go to the East the better the women look. I wasn’t that impressed with the women in most of the countries I visited(France, Italy, Spain, UK and the like), I guess that mostly due to the obesity. Weak competition. 😛

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  169. on June 2, 2010 at 10:14 pm killerwhale52

    Chic Noir, I’m always carrying something. I happen to live in Texas, so, and as a matter of fact, concealed handguns are quite common. The problem is getting involved with a sluts problems. It’s a matter of common sense. Most of the women I run with simply wouldn’t tolerate abuse. I personally know two who would commit homicide in some fashion. Bottom line, no one wants to help a slut, BUT, a decent woman? A .45 takes care of big, dangerous men.

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  170. on June 2, 2010 at 10:21 pm chic noir

    liverlips Actually, there is more black-on-white crime in the U.S. than white-on-black crime.

    no there is more blk on blk crime than either of the two you mentioned. that’s what i was getting at.

    [editor: you know, i was beginning to enjoy chic noir 2.0. but then chic classic had to make a reappearance doing her usual shuck and jive evasive routine and it all went to shit.
    hint: the amount of black on black crime is irrelevant when drawing comparisons between the proportion of white on black crime and black on white crime. liverlips is exactly correct and you are full of it. there is more black on white crime than the reverse, and this statistic is particularly damning given the much larger population of whites in america. care to guess the ratio of black man on white woman rapes to white man on black woman rapes each year? or would you rather not?

    ps you may be best off not answering at all. my toleration for slippery bs is at an all time low.]

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  171. on June 2, 2010 at 10:29 pm Alexamenos

    liverlips Actually, there is more black-on-white crime in the U.S. than white-on-black crime.

    no there is more blk on blk crime than either of the two you mentioned. that’s what i was getting at.<<<<<

    One problem with color on color crime stats is it doesn't count as a crime when the white guy is wearin a polyester blue uniform and the black guy isn't.

    Here ends my foray into enlightened considerations on race related matters.

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  172. on June 2, 2010 at 10:30 pm Nicole

    Usually Lurking says, “Nicole, your last comments were interesting, but, why be a traditional man if 1.) the one group is descended from girls who chose cads, or 2.) the other group were burning their bras and defying social norms?”

    Because not all our moms chose cads. Those of us who had good fathers who either stayed with our moms or stayed active fathers when they didn’t, don’t have daddy issues…well, unless you want to count the non pathological Electra complex.

    Even some girls whose dads were behaviorally cads, don’t have the issues because they’re aware females with good genes who were capable of learning from their parents’ mistakes. Why should a good woman be punished for the stupidity of others?

    As far as the bra burners, during those times some of our moms were too busy with real civil rights and labor issues. Back then, feminists had very little to do with real civil rights aside of co opting convenient bits of our grief. None of them was burning anything against the continued theft of Native American land. Even today, they happily exploit illegal and legal immigrants all over the world, to get out of womanly duties like being a present mother.

    Right now, even in Israel, an Ethiopian or Russian woman is on her way to work so that a rich Jewish woman can neglect her kids, or a privileged working one in a near obsolete job doesn’t have to pick up a waste backet or take care where the crumbs of her pastry falls.

    “If the one group is consistently defying traditional social norms by producing generation after generation of single mothers and the other group decides that they need a man like a fish needs a bicycle, why be the white knight?”

    Why ejaculate?

    It’s a cycle, you see. When you fail to be a man, then another man or a woman has to do your job to keep things from descending into chaos. Likewise, when a woman fails to be a woman, another woman or a man has to do her job to keep things from descending into chaos.

    Yeah, things are messed up, but the solution is not for everybody to stop doing their job. It’s to do their job regardless of the television telling them not to.

    “Instead, as a man, simply look at the hand that society has dealt you and adapt (i.e. pump and dump).”

    Society is one thing. Individuals are another. If you encounter a hoe or non bonding slut, feel free to pump and dump. When you encounter a woman who’s decent, you’ll have to at least pretend to care in order to get into her pants in the first place.

    There is no such thing as “pump and dump” of a non caring woman. It’s more like “pump and nothing”. To dump someone, they have to be yours to dump.

    This is the bit that many good guys acting as much against their nature as the societally influenced pseudo slut, don’t seem to get. Nobody expects more from you than you expect of yourself.

    I’m feeling you. I have sometimes had to do the female equivalent, and remind a guy that unless he staked a claim, he doesn’t have any. I’ve had the, “There is no us,” conversation. I just don’t take any pleasure in having had to have it. It’s a shame and a tragedy.

    There’s a line between adapting to survive, and following behind some trend even though it’s counter to your survival. I can walk away if a guy decides he would rather chase the unicorn, but I am never going to actively go out seeking sex from guys I don’t care about, who care nothing about me, just because the television says that’s an okay thing to do.

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  173. on June 2, 2010 at 10:31 pm GasButtox

    chic noirbuttox :

    that’s what i was getting at.

    The only thing you need to ‘get at’ are my buttox, which you will detox, that is, after I fart….. (wait for it)…

    Oooooooaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!

    Now quit talksin’ and start detoxin’.

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  174. on June 2, 2010 at 10:40 pm chic noir

    you know, i was beginning to enjoy chic noir 2.0. ?

    you were 😯

    what is chic noir 2.0 anyway?

    [editor: the charmingly funny girl who doesn’t let her racial bigotry spoil a good comment section.]

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  175. on June 2, 2010 at 11:10 pm Alexamenos

    Nicole–you write some good shit and I’m instinctively inclined to agree that men need to man up…

    …but…

    …1) our legal system (specifically the family court system) is to a beta male what a Nazi gas chamber is go a Jew. Pardon the hyperbole, but a man being dragged into a family court is in a really bad way. By the time a fellow hits my age (40), if he hadn’t been fucked over by this system he has several buddies who have.

    …2). It’s not necessarily mens nature to be providers who protrcttheir women and raise their kids. These *instincts* are instead something which they learn a products of their environment.

    Add 1 (disincentive) and 2 (choice) and you have the distinct possibllity that the Man’s role in raising and rearing children can be irrevocably lost in any culture.

    I’m reminded of an anecdote I read a while back…some imperialist englishmen lands on some island inhabited by some really backwoods folks. After observing for a while, the englishmen is struck by the lack of any notion of fatherhood so he presses one of natives to try and understand the relationship between father and child. According to the story, the native fell to the ground laughing,

    “you silly fool, only women can have children.”

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  176. on June 2, 2010 at 11:11 pm Nicole

    Rebelliousvanilla says, “Nicole, sadly MGTOW is right. If we are supposed to be equal to men, we must earn our keep and protect our behind. I don’t see women as manning up, but as just leeching on the government and substituting men with it.”

    I didn’t say all women do. I said some women do because we have no other choice if we want to survive things being locked in a building for 8 hours a day surrounded by boys whose parents weren’t around to get them used to hearing the word “no”, or whose moms hated them for being born male.

    Regardless of the feminist hype, we are still generally physically weaker than men, and those at the bottom of the hill down which shit is rolling can’t be blamed for whatever they do to survive.

    “And your ancestors sold each other into slavery, hardly that much European invasion.”

    Not all Black people are of the same ancestry. You need to be more specific. In the particular region my African ancestors most likely came from, there were very clear ethnic divisions, and most who were sold into slavery or got the hell out of there before they got caught up in that were of traditionally enslaved groups. The _Roots_ thing wherein princes were being kidnapped was extremely rare…and it is very likely that in most of those cases, that “prince” was only descended from royalty because the king had first rights to all the women in his kingdom.

    …but I’m not just African. I’m also Native American. The invasion aspect wasn’t violent for all tribes at first, but it was definitely so by the time they fired up the re education camps.

    “Leaving this aside though, any woman can get a beta provider. All it takes is not having kids out of wedlock and a damaged moral compass. If you’re a pleasant person to be around with and you don’t have ridiculous expectations, you will find someone that will commit to you.”

    …for awhile anyway.

    In the age of marriage 2.0 both men and women who aren’t unicorns or close enough to elicit the panic of loss in their under parented partners, are at risk of immediate disposal upon receipt or even implication of a “better” offer or “better” options.

    My problems finding a partner are more about location. I live in an only superficially western country (Israel). Socially, I may as well be in India.

    If I was back home in North Carolina, I’m sure that I personally, could find a husband (if I lowered my standards requiring independent thinking ability), but that’s not the point. The point is that one man or a small group of men don’t amount to male protection. They can’t be everywhere at once, and be the bodyguard for all their female relatives, and still work.

    What is missing as far as male protection is more like male protectiveness as a social imperative. It is currently being exploited or rejected by the mainstream, and this has caused problems that extend beyond bruised egos. Women have to actually live around men who no longer feel protective of women, and way too many have become predatory.

    Feminists have essentially cut poor or “lower class” women off at the knees, and don’t care that they have done so. Worse, they take a problem that they created, and use our experiences with men as cannon fodder in their battle to remove even more men from their households and from their natural position in a civilization.

    “I’m still amused by the fact that people actually take ethnicity studies or gender studies. Don’t you have a better thing to do than get a degree in worthless crap or waste your time in highschool on that?”

    They didn’t have those in my high school, thank goodness.

    “At least I learned calculus and analysis in 11th grade, which are college level things in America.

    And another thing, public schools in the US aren’t that bad. You should see how my highschool looked. I had to wear my jacket inside during the winter because the temperature was the same and it was on the earthquake risk buildings list. And my math teacher kept saying that girls can’t do math and that we’re all idiots. In a couple of years I will go to a top 30 university to get a graduate degree and it’s all the IQ I got from my parents and being committed to a goal”

    It’s not all about the weather conditions or construction of the buildings. My dad went to segregated schools and did just fine. My mom was in the “talented tenth” and did her last couple of years in high school integrated, which was no party. She did just fine too.

    What I was talking about was the social and physical safety problems in public schools. A great many children are forced to go to school with psychos raised by psychos and other stupid people.

    A kid in that kind of situation has to man up regardless of their actual gender, or get used to getting beat up a lot.

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  177. on June 2, 2010 at 11:19 pm Cauthon

    I call bullshit on the ladies tingling for the guy in the striped shirt. Their original comments said the guy in the “white shirt.”

    The guy in the striped shirt handled things in a reasonable, civilized manner, telling the abuser to take a step outside.

    The guy in the white shirt, the 250 pound Mr. Clean, got physical immediately. Gine tingles for the gorilla, not the white knight.

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  178. on June 2, 2010 at 11:23 pm Nicole

    Killerwhale52 asks, “Nicole et al : If You stand up to help, are you ready to fight? And if a weapon is involved, are you willing severely injure or kill this guy? I grew up amongst what most of you would call a heavy criminal element. Fact is, and I learned this a long time ago, abused women are stupid, and it flat ain’t worth getting cut up over. Just remember, are you willing to get involved in some stupid shit, get cut up or shot for a slut that won’t leave such a situation?”

    If I stand up or open my mouth, I understand that there is a chance that it will get messy. So the first order of business is to try to prevent a messy situation. If I can’t, then I would rather take the blows myself than to watch a weaker person take them.

    Something about letting someone get beat up, stabbed, or shot in front of me, if I could do something about it, would make me feel less human. I couldn’t live with myself if I ever became indifferent to that kind of thing.

    If the one freaking out is female, there’s also the problem of the male being the default villain. Just as I wouldn’t want to see a woman get beat down, I feel the same inner squirminess when a woman is instigating. I know that if that guy defends himself, he might be the one going to jail.

    Sometimes the woman is getting slappy because she knows this, so it helps to redirect her attention to someone who is also female, and with whom her being female is not a free pass.

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  179. on June 2, 2010 at 11:36 pm Nicole

    Alexamenos, we don’t disagree. In order for civilization to exist, males have to be invested in it. As much as they are pushed out, they will be out, because men are still made of skin and bones like every other vertebrate animal.

    When a significant proportion of humans start behaving like hyenas (female dominance), we start to behave like hyenas. Women masculinize, and men are on the fringes, with only the most superficially charming getting to breed at all, and the rest completely left out except during the periodic orgies.

    Thing is, humans are not hyenas. Our babies are born helpless, and female humans are too competitive against each other. Low male investment for humans means destruction. Low male investment for freaking chimpanzees means destruction. No primates can afford to be behaving like hyenas.

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  180. on June 2, 2010 at 11:40 pm Nicole

    I haven’t had enough coffee yet. That should be, “When a significant proportion of humans start behaving like hyenas (female dominance), we start to look like hyenas.”

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  181. on June 3, 2010 at 12:08 am rebelliousvanilla

    Nicole, there’s no such thing as real civil rights. Not being discriminated against isn’t a right. The only real right is the freedom of association, which includes excluding the people you don’t like regardless of the reasons. So actually, the ‘real civil rights’ movement was a campaign to infringe civil rights. For example, I don’t want my children to go to integrated schools, I don’t want my tax money to fund the welfare of other people besides those who share my mtDNA or the yDNA of my people and I don’t want to live in a ‘diverse’ neighbourhood. Still, it’s going to be funny when this whole non-discrimination idiocy will collapse in the next decade or two.

    Also, there’s no such thing as privileged people. There are people who are qualified and intelligent and people who aren’t. There are groups of people who are good at inventing things and groups of people with criminal tendencies.

    About men, I agree, but in a way, it’s a woman’s job to not spread out for men who aren’t willing to commit. In this way you avoid all the hassle of men who want to pump and dump you, don’t you think? I mean, it’s fairly effective for me. I haven’t been pumped and dumped in my whole life since I didn’t give anybody the opportunity to do it. I mean, sure, I wanted to just scratch my itch sometimes, but as a human being, I learned delayed gratification and self-control. lol.

    Roissy, isn’t it sad when people don’t get statistics at all? I mean, I did ace this subject fairly easily. OneSTDV had a great blog post about this.

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  182. on June 3, 2010 at 12:42 am Polymath

    rv,

    It’s sad when people don’t get statistics, but as a professional statistician I know how counterintuitive they are. This is the fault of the educational system, it’s quite possible to give anyone of average or higher intelligence a sound grasp of statistics.

    Unfortunately even CR is not immune to these kinds of errors — in his insertion in chic noir’s post he said that it was even more surprising that black-on-white crime is higher than white-on-black crime given that there are many more whites than blacks. But this is bogus — absent a racial component, the crime will be proportional to the interactions of the criminal group and victim group. There are more whites, but they don’t encounter as many blacks so there are fewer opportunities for white-on-black crime. A black criminal will have a greater proportion of white victims than a white criminal will have of black victims if victims are randomly selected.

    This exactly balances out the effect of there being more whites overall, so one should expect in a world where race was irrelevant to crime that the absolute rate of black-on-white and white-on-black crime to be equal.

    Of course black-on-white crime is much higher than the reverse because blacks are more likely to commit crimes than whites, I’m just saying Roissy is mistaken in thinking it is even more disproportionate than it actually is.

    [editor: i didn’t say it was more disproportionate than it actually is. i said it is disproportionate in a way that black on black crime stats won’t illuminate. as chic was attempting to do.]

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  183. on June 3, 2010 at 12:50 am Max

    how exactly does bernanke send anyone to war?

    Its not complicated.

    the USDollar is the trading stamp required to get Oil. Oil is priced in USDollars only.

    What this means its that alllll that oil still in the groud around the world and

    allllll the future energy diets of 6 billion people in the world.

    require future purchases of USDollars.

    So While the US continue to provide physical security (the most important service in the world btw) over the oil fields.

    Then Bernanke can continue to print USdollars. And we will continue to live in a FIAT currency world with the USD enjoying a defacto “gold backing” by being “oil backed”

    I hope this helps.

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  184. on June 3, 2010 at 1:47 am Nicole

    Rebelliousvanilla, if you want to get all philosophical, there is no such thing as a right, period. Well, not for the weak anyway. Might makes right.

    So, in the absense of an absolute morality or true rights, people have to decide what kind of civilization they want to have, if they want to have one, and make it so. This is the triumph of the will, and will is an aspect of might.

    Those “qualified and intelligent” people, such as yourself, who forget this are why we’re in this situation in the first place.

    Having a civilization at all is a privilege. Within it, there are people who are more privileged than others.

    It’s easy to say that your intelligence and qualifications got you where you are when you got to go to school. You forget what enabled you to go to school…what enabled the existence of schools at all.

    Someone built the school you went to. Someone keeps the streets from turning into rivers of blood despite the lack of real police. Most of those people are men.

    What do you figure is going to happen if men ever don’t give a shit?

    …which brings me to the sex thing. I never said it was women’s job to spread for men who won’t commit. However, if you’re in a culture wherein male commitment just isn’t an option for them, what do you expect the women to do? Stay celibate?

    People are going to fuck. That’s just life. The question is whether or not women understand that the fact of their having any choice about when or how that happens, is because men wanted it that way.

    Now they’re taking that power of choice and throwing it back in men’s faces. Doesn’t bode well.

    Long before there’s ever a “race” war, there will be a male boycott of marriage. That’ll make all the rest of people’s concerns look like the pettiness that it is.

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  185. on June 3, 2010 at 4:30 am Tyrone

    @Nicole:

    Long before there’s ever a “race” war, there will be a male boycott of marriage. That’ll make all the rest of people’s concerns look like the pettiness that it is.

    Its already here. There’s this thing in the MRA world called a marriage strike. Most young men are adherents today, even if they don’t realize it and don’t think of themselves as MRAs. PUA is a way of obtaining the benefits of marriage without the hardships and an adaptation by men to the new feminist created rules. It will pick up steam as you predict and is already doing so. The mysandry bubble will burst within a generation. The Futurist blog thinks it will be even sooner.

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  186. on June 3, 2010 at 5:07 am RevoRob

    “To answer the title of this post, I would not intervene to help an abused woman. My thinking on this is crystal clear: she chose to be with the abuser.”

    ’nuff said! Abused women choose to be abused.

    Fuck ’em.

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  187. on June 3, 2010 at 5:46 am Paul

    Agree with the dissolution of marriage. I am just now graduating from college and only the most indoctrinated beta friends of mine still believe in the legal institution of marriage.

    NOTE, this is not to distract from the religious institution of marriage, which for many is understandably meaningful.

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  188. on June 3, 2010 at 5:48 am Max

    Sorry being from Australia I left out what this means for Amercia domestically what it means is that your dollars will always be higher than it otherwise wouldbe and your jobs will keep going overseas. Your credit will aalways be cheaper and your credit markets more developed. Meaning that banks can be more rapacious and turn you into debt slaves.

    Fractional reserve banking is much more evil than oil backed usd fiat.

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  189. on June 3, 2010 at 5:50 am Paul

    I also left out that I have lived in Germany for the past year or so and the generation of people 20-40 or so really don’t believe in marriage. “Loving” couples simply live together until they get bored or decide its more convenient to stay together.

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  190. on June 3, 2010 at 6:11 am Polymath

    [editor: i didn’t say it was more disproportionate than it actually is. i said it is disproportionate in a way that black on black crime stats won’t illuminate. as chic was attempting to do.]

    That part I completely agree with, it was where you said

    there is more black on white crime than the reverse, and this statistic is particularly damning given the much larger population of whites in america

    that you were inaccurate. The much larger proportion of whites is not going to affect the RATIO of b-on-w to w-on-b any more than it ought to affect the ratio of interracial marriages BM-WW to interracial marriages WM-BW. That disparity is not more surprising because there are more whites than blacks overall. Thus your “particularly damning” observation is wrong; though it is quite damning enough without that.

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  191. on June 3, 2010 at 9:52 am spiralina

    Definitely STAY OUT OF IT. Leave and call the police from a safe distance if you’re really concerned for the woman. My fiance is a cop and he would never go on a domestic violence call without backup; they’re the most volatile types of crimes and often end in murder. An unarmed civilian would be stupid to intervene, especially in a restaurant – obviously the man has totally snapped and doesn’t care about consequences (or it’s a hidden camera show.)

    Lesson of the day, don’t be a fucking hero.

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  192. on June 3, 2010 at 10:21 am almost 40 year old virgin

    “Saving” a woman? FUCK NO!

    Everybody has access to a goddamn cellphone, women´s houses are everywhere.

    You can´t save somebody from his own stupid.

    Cue in these dumb chicks: http://www.efukt.com/20710_How_To_Get_A_Girls_Digits.html

    Why did they walk right between the niggaz? Because their ginas tingled but they still felt soo superior thinking they wouldn´t dare put their hands on them.

    Think again dumbasses. You´re equal now, hit them back.

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  193. on June 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Nicole, it’s not about daddy issues, it’s about having feminist propaganda internalized and being a slag. I’m in neither of the above two situations and I’m not suffering one bit, including in the commitment part since I do get marriage proposals. As I said, not having insane expectations while having a moral compass goes along way related to commitment. Oh, and I forgot to say, land isn’t stolen, it’s conquered. And the Europeans pretty much conquered North America. Sort of like the Bantu colonized South Africa(maybe I should start whining about how the Turks stolen the land of Europeans). The only territorial claims that you can make are those that you do with tanks and guns. That’s how sovereignty is established. Nobody gets exploited in the market system since it’s based on consent. Nobody forces immigrants to do anything. Exploited are the idiots who pay taxes to the US government in order for half of the population to not pay anything. And no, the solution is for men to stop doing their job until women do theirs. Being virtuous with non-virtuous people is utterly stupid. And yes, it would be nice for men to do what you say, but I’m not entitled to their protection. Sadly, the critical mass of sluttiness and male hating reached a fairly high critical mass, high enough for men to stop doing their thing. If I was a man, I would have stopped right about 1960. Basically, women got half a century of being treated well for nothing as a gender. And sadly, individuals don’t matter in group behaviour. Unless that female is a relative, the man shouldn’t do anything. It’s the same, I could care the less about what Somalis do. If Somalia slides into the ocean tomorrow, I won’t break a sweat since they’re not my people at all. If I do have a Somali friend though, I would care about him surviving, like the man would care about his female relatives. About different black people, I was referring to black Americans in general. 2/3 of the slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks.

    And you’re a woman. In divorce you get half his stuff, the kids, alimony and child support. Most men don’t really divorce(just look at the no fault divorce requests rates). Besides, men aren’t that hard to please. All it takes is spreading your legs, putting some food on the table(you don’t even have to be a great cook) and supporting him without emasculating. It’s not that hard to do.

    About schools, you think here schools are safe? When I was in middle school, an idiot threw a grenade in the school yard of another school that is close to mine. Gypsies were coming and stealing stuff and beating people up and so on. Heck, even in highschool I was held at knife point a couple of times in the mass transit passing around by it.

    And about rights, rights are inherently negative, not positive. You have a right only as long as someone doesn’t take it from you. If the government has to take action to force certain behaviours, for example, non-discrimination in this case, then it’s not a right, it’s a priviledge. Just like healthcare, retirement, housing, food. They’re all priviledges, not rights. Actually, any sane civilization wants to discourage free riding, not encourage it, which is what welfare is. But this conversation didn’t start from where it should. First of all, yes, rights don’t really exist because they’re abstract notions(and they’re negative, not positive). Rights are created by a government of the people who achieved sovereignty through the tanks and guns thing. And what enabled me to go to school is my parents paying for those schools through taxes. Not men in an abstract way, but my parents paying taxes in a concrete way. Besides, in my country we never had this gender problem and women here always worked. Heck, if you go on the country side where only old people are, you can find 70 years old women delving the land manually. They don’t moan about it, they just do it.

    Cultures with no commitment? You must be kidding me. If women overall don’t spread their legs unless men commit, then men either commit or well, rape. But the latter is a crime and since they don’t want to go to jail… You get the picture. Commitment is something driven by the way women trade their sex. That’s how the cookie crumbles.

    Alexamenos, what do you expect from people who thought that eating their defeated enemies in order to defecate their remains is the highest humiliation that you can serve to someone? Or that didn’t have invented the wheel yet in the middle to late 19th century. lol. Heck, in the civil war in Congo, both sides think the pygmies confer magic powers if eaten – IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

    Paul, this is my biggest dilemma right now. Get married, have a family and so on, which is what I want, and get invested in this crappy world and the way things end and suffer due to how raising kids today is OR just indulge in hedonism and do my own thing.

    almost 40 years old virgin, the stupidity of people who walk around in slums without protection is amusing. I wonder in what kind of fantasy world those chicks live – probably in the one where immigrants in Europe don’t commit the vast majority of rapes and crime in general. I concluded that people who don’t have my rules are insane. For example, I don’t take a cab unless it’s driven by a white man that doesn’t look like a criminal. And I realized most of my classmates have this rule. But again, we’re not politically correct. To be honest, I’d feel sorry for a man who’d do that to me because I have a really good friend working in the special forces… And he wouldn’t appreciate it nor his co-workers would. So he’d trade slapping me for six months in the hospital. Having people owe you is pretty cool. I also don’t get why don’t all women carry pepper spray. I do.

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  194. on June 3, 2010 at 11:48 pm Mr.C

    “”i wonder how many people would respond if it was a woman beating a man?””

    By laughing.

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  195. on June 5, 2010 at 6:03 am Nicole

    Rebelliousvanilla, you seem to be confused. First, you say there’s no such thing as rights, but then you spell out how you’re exercising your rights.

    You apparently think it was magic elves or something, that bestowed you the ability to choose what taxi you ride in, and that males are magically born with the desire to commit to women who aren’t putting out.

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  196. on June 5, 2010 at 9:42 am rebelliousvanilla

    Nicole, in the concrete way there are no rights. Rights are abstract concepts. But in the abstract, rights are negative, not positive. There’s no such thing as positive right – for example, healthcare, education, not being discriminated against and so on aren’t rights neither in the concrete nor in the abstract. In neither sense, those things aren’t rights and believing they are just shows ignorance regarding what rights are. Also, even if you think rights are positive, then you can’t have BOTH freedom to association and not being discriminated against or property rights and direct taxation rights. They’re mutually exclusive.

    And yes, you can choose what taxi you ride in. Or what, cab companies force you to choose a certain thing? It’s called refusing the fair if you don’t like it. Or what, you think I can’t call the company and ask for a specific car with a specific driver? Or if you go to a place where more taxis are, you can’t choose one? Or cabs have tinted windows and you can’t see the driver before you make a sign to them?

    Oh, and men do commit to women who don’t put out before they do it. I know lots of them. If a woman puts out, committing to her is stupid anyway. Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free? And besides, if she puts out easily, she’s probably a slut to who I wouldn’t commit anyway if I’d be a man. Basically, you want to have your cake and eat it too. Sleep around and have men commit. I will give you an example to how I teach friends to filter sluts out:
    1)Single mothers are a no go. Dump on sight.
    2)Women who don’t come from sound families with both parents are to be dumped and not committed to since she’s probably dysfunctional like her mother.
    3)When you get laid with her, put your thingy near her box without a rubber. If she doesn’t protest, dump her. She’s probably a slut who did half her village without a rubber too if she accepts it like that from you.
    4)Dump women who invade your privacy, look through your phone and the like(a friend was engaged to one of these and dumped her when I explained to him what a mistake he is doing).
    To be honest, if I was a man I’d commit only to a woman who would be willing to be a housewife, sign a prenup or live in a country like Japan, didn’t have sex with half her town and isn’t infatuated with herself and wants to raise her own kids and not drop them into daycare. For all the other things like sex, I don’t need to commit to get.

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  197. on June 5, 2010 at 11:06 am namae nanka

    rebelliousvanilla

    What’s your IQ? 🙂
    and do you have the guts to speak in public as you do here? The last comment.
    http://mangans.blogspot.com/2010/04/mans-dominion.html

    Besides, men aren’t that hard to please. All it takes is spreading your legs, putting some food on the table(you don’t even have to be a great cook) and supporting him without emasculating. It’s not that hard to do.

    But will that please you?

    Paul, this is my biggest dilemma right now. Get married, have a family and so on, which is what I want, and get invested in this crappy world and the way things end and suffer due to how raising kids today is OR just indulge in hedonism and do my own thing.

    The best way would be to get a man who understands things as much as you do, preferably more, and have a trust that neither of you cheat, though you can always allow him some leeway.

    Or get an apollonian alpha for the first, you will get bored sometimes during your married life(sex) but the second path is worthless for women, especially for women who can see through the appearances.
    Cheating with some asshole alphas when bored can also be done if you lose respect for morality.
    Perhaps that’s your ‘own way’?

    And who says hedonism doesn’t exist in marriage? For a woman, bearing children and raising them is the ultimate pleasure.

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  198. on June 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm rebelliousvanilla

    namae nanka, I took an IQ test with a certified psych and it said 139(and I’m proud that I’m a woman and sport that IQ since we are dumber on average :P). And yes, I do speak in public like I do here. I will have to change this a bit when I will get a graduate in a Western country though since I might get expelled for it. For example, those things that I said about giving advice to men… I actually tell men these things and they refuse to listen to me. Likewise when I explain to them why men are studs and women sluts – this doesn’t happen as much in my country, but foreign men have an aversion to getting it. And I even explained to women in my country the stud-slut thing and some listened to me. The funniest thing was in an English class when we had this thing on the glass ceiling, which I completely destroyed and proposed the idea of a glass floor(stupid British and American textbooks that we use in English class). I have a class with 21 girls and 4 guys and the teacher is female. Everybody agreed with me, at least openly. If I move out of my country, I will miss this sanity. 😦

    And no, doing just that won’t please me. But I will please my man in order for him to please me. That’s how marriage works, in my opinion. It’s duty to your spouse and compromise. And in the great scheme of things, I’m irrelevant. Having a family that will produce well adjusted and proper kids isn’t irrelevant since they will live after I die, their kids will reproduce and so on.

    Related to the second path, no, I won’t allow my husband to cheat on me. I might forgive him for it if he admits to me that he did it and I didn’t find out from some third party and I will probably lose trust in him for a while. But he would be able to gain it back… I don’t know, being cheated on is really painful to me because that’s how I feel betrayal and lack of honesty. So I wouldn’t be able to tolerate it, but about leeway, I’d have no problem with my husband looking at other women. But there’s a difference in between that and getting laid with them. In the same way, I wouldn’t marry a man who had children with other women due to the divided loyalties that that entails. If I’m to bear a man’s child, I do expect him to commit fully to that kid.

    In the same way, I wouldn’t cheat on my husband. I don’t want to throw up when I look in the mirror. This is why being cheated on and lied to hurts me a lot too. I’m honest and I wouldn’t cheat and I project this on others. I don’t really expect people to lie to me and the like – this made me kind of gullible in a lot of situations in my life and I’m going through some tough things to change my level of trust in most people. So no, I wouldn’t lie and cheat on my husband. I do take my oaths seriously. If I’m to marry, I will do it properly and respect my decision. In the same way, I wouldn’t divorce if I’m unhappy in a marriage and I had children with that man. It’s not all about me. If the man treats me right(doesn’t beat me up, cheats on me and the like) I wouldn’t divorce, even if I’m bored by him. That’s not grounds of divorce. Besides, boredom comes sometimes from being similar to someone and that’s the key to a sane marriage. Sure, it doesn’t have that many thrills, but you can feel fulfilled. Bearing children and raising them isn’t pleasure, it’s pain. But it makes you a fulfilled individual. In the same way, my purpose in life isn’t really happiness, it’s being fulfilled which entails a few things. People who look for happiness and pleasure in life are those who wander about like a boat in the ocean with no sails, maps and compass.

    To be honest, I really don’t get men like you. Why do you advise me to cheat on my husband? lol. I had a person who is pretty comfortable financially in the sense that he’d increase my net worth 500 fold if I married him and this guy kept egging me on to do it and then dump him and take his money. Are you men insane?! Maybe I’m stupid and should have been born 200 years ago and maybe I should do the game for chicks thing… I don’t know.

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  199. on June 5, 2010 at 2:26 pm Schmoe

    @rebelliousvanilla,
    please know that having the ability to look yourself in the mirror is worth more than all the gold on the planet. Smart people like you tend to have an overinflated sense of justice, which makes it even harder to deal with being of poor character. You are the only person who has to live with yourself. On

    the other hand, if your husband becomes boring, send him here or somewhere to learn enough game to keep it interesting. Most of the guys on here are not evil and soulless bastards; they are just trying to learn to act like one to a certain extent. And many others are just Internet Tough Guys, who would never step out of their mom’s basement to say hi to a girl, never mind have the actual guts to cheat on one.

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  200. on June 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm namae nanka

    rebelliousvanilla

    You can see through many deceptions and as such the man you would/should want has to be better.

    The problem arises when you realize that men who can see even beyond this either turn into hedonists or into monks.They are not as prone to follow the middle path as women, just like the IQ curves.

    I’m proud that I’m a woman and sport that IQ since we are dumber on average

    Proud of yer IQ tsk tsk.

    And no, doing just that won’t please me. But I will please my man in order for him to please me. That’s how marriage works, in my opinion. It’s duty to your spouse and compromise. And in the great scheme of things, I’m irrelevant. Having a family that will produce well adjusted and proper kids isn’t irrelevant since they will live after I die, their kids will reproduce and so on.

    Duty is a good word, but it’s easier said than done. For a start, pleasure and duty don’t mingle well.
    And as you said, pleasing you is the harder part.

    You associate children with your own mortality and not your self.I wonder how much of that is your learning speaking.

    I will have to change this a bit when I will get a graduate in a Western country though since I might get expelled for it.

    cmon be a hero, harangue some feminist harridan to insanity, they are just two step away. 🙂
    Let Amber Lamps be your inspiration.
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/female-photo-submissions/#comment-177107

    Bearing children and raising them isn’t pleasure, it’s pain.

    The oxytocin level fluctuations can topple even the sturdiest of females.

    But it makes you a fulfilled individual. In the same way, my purpose in life isn’t really happiness, it’s being fulfilled which entails a few things. People who look for happiness and pleasure in life are those who wander about like a boat in the ocean with no sails, maps and compass..

    Good lines again but again easier said than done.
    Women lose that sense of fulfillment when their children leave, they feel lost while their husband rocks smugly in a chair on a deed well done.
    Your sense of self, however, is perhaps better than that.

    To be honest, I really don’t get men like you.

    I would keep the mystique, thank you.

    Why do you advise me to cheat on my husband? lol.

    Women can hide it better. Tch I lost it.

    “I had a person who is pretty comfortable financially in the sense that he’d increase my net worth 500 fold if I married him and this guy kept egging me on to do it and then dump him and take his money. Are you men insane?! Maybe I’m stupid and should have been born 200 years ago and maybe I should do the game for chicks thing… I don’t know.”

    “If women didn’t exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning.” – some asshole

    It’s really that simple.

    Would have written more but mom closes the basement door in a few minutes.Have to run, goodbye… 😦

    PS – smarter women fall harder, remember that when that alpha asshole is looking you in the eyes and you can’t look away. At least try to.

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  201. on June 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm Herbal Essence

    Guys, DO NOT come to the aid of ANY woman unless she is personally known to you, and she is not a man-hater. Women have been stomping on good men for decades now, and sleeping with thugs, and it’s about damn time they experience the consequences. Do not intervene. Do not call 911. Never, ever, ever.

    Woman getting beaten? Not your problem. Woman in car wreck? Not your problem. Woman getting raped? Not your problem.

    Remember guys, “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” so it’s about time we let these stinky fish fend for themselves. They’re the ones who crave bad boys and thugs.

    Do not rescue, do not be a hero. Let her suffer.

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  202. on June 5, 2010 at 6:19 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Schmoe, with all the gold on the planet, I could buy all the mirrors and smash them. But yes, it’s fairly hard sometimes when I sit my ass on a seat in the bus when girls like me drive their convertible BMW to school since they spread out to the right people. And I know that men aren’t evil, I love you for a reason and I hate feminism for the same one. If I thought men are evil, I’d be a feminist.

    namae nanka, regardless of what we choose in life, most of the things we will do will be boring or will bring us stress. The least I could do is do those things in the direction of being fulfilled. Funny enough, it’s not my learning speaking. I had a time when I didn’t want a family or get married. I was really horrified by the idea of being pregnant and actually have a child. This happened until I had a baby in my arms the first time and the things I felt due to it. For example, the people around were sort of noisy and they were upsetting him and I felt like wanting to clothesline everybody in the room. It’s odd, but it was bothering me on an existential level, so to speak.

    About feminists, you’d expect me to join a gender studies class? Heck, I have a life. I will be able to piss off feminists AFTER I graduate anyway, without them being able to expel me. Still, I could wear one of those girls are stupid, throw rocks at them shirts. In all seriousness though, feminists already called me things from self loathing to a gender traitor. I’d have to see what policies the university I will attend has related to expelling… And if I will be physically safe. Who knows what the evil sluts from hell can do.

    Also, I’m not sure about oxytocin. I mean, teaching my kids what’s leftist brainwashing and what should they believe, trying to avoid my daughter being a slag and so on isn’t solved by that. Or you advice drug abuse to solve parental problems? lol

    And hey, after kids, I will have grand-kids. Which are a lot of work too if you have lots of kids who will have lots of kids. So I will be able to feed my sense of fulfillment until I will die.

    I also know that I could cheat and not get caught. That’s not the problem. Cheating is the problem, not getting caught doing it. I know about falling harder though. Been there, done that. I was also naive and gullible back then and to use Roissy’s terms, I couldn’t really control my buying temperature(I think this was the term). Heh, first boyfriend, what did you expect? It’s hilarious how I tried all the stupid shit girls do, like try to fix the lives of destructive individuals(pathological narcissists in my case) and all that to the point where I almost ruined my life. Seeing someone as the father of your children and future husband and all that does have some influence – maybe this is why for a while I refused any idea of marriage and children.

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  203. on June 5, 2010 at 7:39 pm nick

    You all have it wrong. The key factor is the size of the boyfriend. Remember the video of Rampage Jackson dry humping a female reporter?

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  204. on June 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm namae nanka

    “namae nanka, regardless of what we choose in life, most of the things we will do will be boring or will bring us stress.”

    One of the things that won’t, is, spending it with a loving man.
    Corny? But you asked for it.

    “Funny enough, it’s not my learning speaking.”

    Women and babies.No matter how masculine women are, they melt at the sight of one.I see the same with my little sisters. One of them is a tomboy and other is already thinking of marriage, but both of them ooh-aah with a baby and forget everything. otoh little boys take their leave soon, they don’t care.

    Sorry for the “learning” comment, I overestimated.

    “And hey, after kids, I will have grand-kids. Which are a lot of work too if you have lots of kids who will have lots of kids. So I will be able to feed my sense of fulfillment until I will die.”

    Nice.

    “I also know that I could cheat and not get caught. ”

    haha high IQ FTW.

    “That’s not the problem. Cheating is the problem, not getting caught doing it.”

    Conscience? Throw it away, it’s not worth keeping.

    “I know about falling harder though. Been there, done that.”

    Oh no you didn’t…
    the desouling and butthexxing…

    “Seeing someone as the father of your children and future husband and all that does have some influence – maybe this is why for a while I refused any idea of marriage and children.”

    Why do you care for the father lol, get a husband, get a child, get grandchildren.Blame him for the rest of his life if the kids’ genes turn out bad.

    Project Fulfillment accomplished.

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  205. on June 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm rebelliousvanilla

    namae nanka, I care about my father because… um… he is my father? That’s what a good person does. About conscience, I’m quite fond of mine. Considering that I’d have about 15 million on my name at 19 if I didn’t have one, I must value it a bit, don’t you think? I do get that you don’t get paid or appreciated for having one, but I said before that I have it for my own sake. I’m also a helping person and usually I never got a helping hand when I needed one. Should I stop helping people when they need it too?

    But again, I’d be a successful politician if I didn’t have a conscience, didn’t care about helping people, didn’t mind lying and not having a moral compass. Or I could get appointed as the Fed chairman(this was especially for the dude obsessed with fiat money lol). Out of curiosity, why should I be a cold person with no conscience and so on?

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  207. on June 6, 2010 at 5:30 am namae nanka

    “namae nanka, I care about my father because… um… he is my father? That’s what a good person does.”

    Go slow rv, go slow.High IQ doesn’t make you immune to comprehension errors.

    “Considering that I’d have about 15 million on my name at 19 if I didn’t have one, I must value it a bit, don’t you think?”

    At 19? wow, girls do grow up fast.
    I think you are smart enough to value milk.

    “Out of curiosity, why should I be a cold person with no conscience and so on?”

    “should”? haha

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  209. on June 6, 2010 at 2:44 pm Nicole

    Rebellous, I think you’re misunderstanding me, so I’ll simplify.

    Men have no particular reason to invest in civilization except when it profits them to do so. The main reason for this is that men are physically stronger than women, and better able to organize quickly. Aside of not menstruating or getting pregnant, they’re just better team players, by and large.

    Their being better team players is what birthed civilization in the first place. Having stable lives profitted them, and later, surface level/official monogamy profitted them because it meant that every guy contributing to his society would have a shot at getting a partner. Most in the western world even allowed slaves to have something like marriages, or hooked them up as rewards.

    If the main benefits of being invested in a civilization are removed from men, then men will very easily turn savage, sigma, or hunting party.

    Have you ever seen guys make new friends? It’s like falling in love without the boners. They can somehow bond very quickly, and I believe that some of that is the same “wiring” they use to visually select mates.

    They really don’t need us to be able to go outdoors except to get enough vitamin D to not look like total zombies. If the world’s infrastructures all fell apart tomorrow, most women would be in warehouses being very pleasant and hoping someone will defend them.

    I am positive that this defense won’t come without a sexual price. That’s old school, and to be really honest, the natural order of things.

    So when men are no longer interested in signing a document that is an institutional sham, you can try to play Miss Chasteypants if you like, but it won’t get you far except with the guys who are invested in the institution…which is a sham.

    Not all of us have that option, and even some of us who do, don’t want it.

    …and despite the hype, we’ve already gotten to a point in western culture where the dignity that was encouraged and fostered in the “lower” classes by our forefathers, has been utterly destroyed. A working class man cannot depend on the system anymore.

    He can’t depend on his job being secure, and he can’t depend on the culture to bring women within his class to him, or even to their senses when they have the urge to trade up.

    So what is in civilization for him?

    I’m not really arguing with you so much as trying to get you to see the angle I’m coming from.

    I understand that my intelligence, talent, and skills outside the home and the bedroom mean absolutely nothing to any man except as maybe some amusement. If TSHTF, it’ll be nice that I know how to read, but without some men to cover my ass, I’m dead.

    So it’s less important to me, and probably most working class women, to have the paper than it is to have the smile. That’s all I’m saying. The waiting game is made possible by civilization. The idea that a woman who doesn’t put out (to an individual, not to everyone) is better than one who does is because of civilization.

    When people don’t rely on the system, they also don’t rely on system dependent morality. So they break the “rules” and it works for them.

    Game is an example of guys breaking the rules, and it working for them. There is a higher law than intellectuals’ little musings, and that is nature.

    If it applies to rights, then it applies to mating as well.

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  210. on June 7, 2010 at 12:58 pm Renee

    I can understand not jumping in to help a random, obviously abused woman in public when it comes to fear of personal bodily harm and due to some of the stories that were posted in the comments. And even though you don’t know if THAT particular woman will do back to her abuser, it’s a common thing for them to do for various reasons, so I can see how that would come into consideration. But a couple of things though:

    1) From what I’ve heard/read, it’s common for abusers to act like the perfect partner in the beginning. They suddenly don’t turn abusive, it gradual. And during that time, they isolate their partner, perhaps make them financially dependent on them. Also, as it was mentioned before on here, minds games and mental abuse are also invovled. Sometimes there’s more to a story as to why a woman stays in an abusive relationship.

    2) I disagree. I’d wager the different reactions stem from a lack of respect commensurate with the girlfriend’s sexual openness. The other patrons’ responses reflect the existence of a number of indicators of status and class. Provocative dress implies a sexual luridness most middle aged persons find deplorable.

    A woman perceived as low class because of slutty dress evokes a general feeling among onlookers that she is “asking for it”. The perception of low class leading to a belief that she is complicit in her suffering is not a broken path of reasoning. People of each sex do judge sluts more harshly because there is a human tendency to withhold empathy from losers who can’t even respect themselves.

    Roissy, so in the end, are these beliefs ok, are they right? I didn’t watch the video so all I know is that she showed cleavage. Was that it, that’s considered sluttily dressed??? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one to show a whole lot of cleavage, but when it comes to slutty outfits, just showing cleavage is at the low end of the spectrum.

    Call me an idealist/navie/too nice/what have you….but to me, clothing or class shouldn’t come into play when deciding whether to help someone. I mean, all that separated the two scenarios was dress. Is it that hard to look beyond what a person wears? Besides, anyone, no matter what class or social status you are can be complicit in their suffering.

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  211. on June 10, 2010 at 8:11 pm Anonymous

    Yes, because it gives me a socially-acceptable excuse to push some weak dude’s shit in.

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  212. on September 15, 2010 at 6:10 am Rarfy

    “If women want the assistance of white knights, they need to behave in a manner that is indicative of women who deserve the help of white knights.”

    errr.. I’d say:

    “If women want the assistance of white knights, they need to look somewhere besides at me!”

    LOL

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