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Dress Like A Sexy Beast

June 4, 2010 by CH

This is the Chateau men’s fashion post. While normally guests of the Chateau idle about in hooded black robes accessorized with cat o’ nine tails, there are those times in the company of the outside world that genitals must be sheathed and attention paid to dress norms. Here, as with all things pleasurable in life, our proprietors excel in transcending the norms while still nodding to them to maximize our social advantage.

I was fortunate to have had a few friends in my life who were particularly stylish dressers from whom I could crib tips. They were naturals at the sartorial arts, in fact. Don’t underestimate how valuable an asset a male mentor can be, whether in school, work, fashion, or pickup. Remember, if a man — who is at heart your natural competitor — is giving you helpful advice as a friend, it is worth the well-meaning advice of one hundred women.

This post is intended for generally in-shape men. Lean men. If you are a fatass or you can’t run without pantomiming an infinity symbol with your jiggly manboobs, then you will not benefit from the advice herein. This post is also about fashion for the everyman who wants a leg up; it is not a peacocker’s how-to guide to looking like the world’s biggest dandy. I’ve nothing against huge velvet cowboy hats, LED belt buckles, or 18th century justacorps, but that level of expressiveness is best reserved for tall men stalking glam nightclubs in select cities such as LA. In everyday situations, peacocking to that extreme will leave an impression of try-hard, and while you’ll get attention, it’ll be the sort of attention lavished on the uncomprehending poindexter whose presence fuels a roomful’s worth of ridicule. Unless you have the balls-out confidence to comfortably carry a florid peacock’s tail without withering under public scrutiny, you should avoid radical extremism in style.

A couple of thoughts before continuing: why is refined peacocking, to a greater or lesser degree, attractive to women? The answer lies in the handicap principle. A man of means and free time can afford to dabble with superfluous dress affects. A man struggling to make his way in the world (or a man unconcerned with attracting women) will have no time or money to style himself in anything but the most practical uniform for trundling through his day (see: herb). So the well-dressed man, punctuated attentively with perfectly calibrated accessories, signals to women that he has made it, and has brainpower to spare for pursuing the finer things in life. Ostentatious and impractical display sends the message that a man can burden himself with inconsequential frippery and still succeed without breaking a sweat.

That said, fashion is UNNECESSARY for picking up women. If you walk with the swagger of a warlord and your game is unstoppable, you can pick up girls wearing torn jeans and a ratty t-shirt. However much it repulses our sense of cosmic harmony, we’ve all seen guys like this with cute chicks (note: he was not gay):

Feel free to work on your game while wearing mandals, but why make pickup harder than need be? A man with unstoppable confidence, tight game, AND good fashion sense is a force to be reckoned with. You may not need a sense of style, but you’ll want it when you see how it draws positive female attention before you’ve even opened your mouth.

First, the NUMBER ONE RULE OF MEN’S FASHION:

Fit is everything.

A bad fit — oversized shirt or jacket, too long or too short sleeve length, pants with extra ass material to store an accidental shit — will make a $3,000 suit look like an off the rack rumple of textile. A good fit, on the other hand, can make discount rack stuff from Filene’s Basement look sharp. What’s funny is that as the number one rule of men’s fashion, it is violated by more men more often than any other rule. It’s as if men lack the neural wiring to perceive poor fit. Or they’ve gotten so fat that good fit has become synonymous with “encased like a sausage”.

I’ll give fashion tips starting from the top and working our way down.

Head

Hats are an excellent accessory that add a dash of dash. There are few enough men wearing non-baseball cap hats that the hat can function as a legitimate peacock device. Tip: Don’t buy hats from chain stores or well-tread fashion houses. That cool fedora you spot in Urban Outfitters or Banana Republic was probably purchased by twenty other guys before you, and nothing screams tool louder than showing up at a bar wearing the same hat as another man. It’s almost as bad as wearing the same shirt, but at least with the hat you can take it off. I bought my last hat from a sidewalk vendor who looked like he was not running his business with the appropriate licenses, but I could buy confidently knowing that the odds were very low another man would own the same hat. Also, be careful of one size fits all hats. They are often undersized, so try them on before buying. Finally, don’t forget to pull the brim down low.

Sunglasses

This is too personal a style decision for me to narrow down your choices, but in general the thinner framed, smaller lensed sunglasses are in right now. Dark lenses are better than light- or off-colored lenses. Sunglasses are a great way to measure the symmetry of your face, and thus amount of negative first impression you’ll have to overcome with robust game. If the glasses tilt to one side, you are facially asymmetrical. Lyle Lovett went “ha haaw!”.

Earrings

Are you gay?

Necklaces

Are you a guido? As far as accessories go, I’d steer clear of necklaces. If you really want to dangle something from your neck, proceed with caution and stick with leather laced items. Huge, glinty metal talismans are probably too douchey for most guys.

Shirt

Err on the side of tighter rather than looser. A good way to quickly measure whether a shirt is the wrong fit is to grab it at the middle buttons and pull outward from your torso. If there is more than a four inch gap between the shirt and your skin, then it is too billowy. You really want to avoid the billow. It’s unsexy. Sleeve length should extend about a half inch past the point where your wrist meets your hand. Don’t get too worked up if the sleeves are not the right length but the rest of the shirt fits great; I often roll up sleeves or hide them under blazers. T-shirts should follow the same four-inch anti-billow rule, though you can wear tees tighter than button-downs. Don’t wear skin tight shirts; save that stuff for the gym or the bathhouse. Don’t bother with exotic patterns; that swirly patterned shirt you bought at Ken Cole was also bought by ten other men. Stick with solid, bold colors. Stretch material is good, as is a bit of shine or iridescence when constrained under a blazer. Solid colored shirts that have a faint pattern stitched into the fabric are also good. If you like to wear button-downs untucked, it is imperative that the shirt is not loose-fitting, and that it isn’t too long. It should hug your pants just a couple inches past the belt.

Ties

Ties are cool. Ties are masculine. Ties don’t have to be relegated to wearing with suits. You can wear a tie with a t-shirt for crying out loud and look good. In fact, the tie is an excellent peacock accessory. When worn casually with short sleeves or t-shirts, you want to keep a healthy space between the knot and your neck. And don’t button the top button. A brightly colored tie, such as purple or pink, paired with a black button down or tee under a black blazer, is a sexy look.

Blazer/Sport Jacket

A sharp blazer can reinvigorate an entire closet of so-so shirts. Again, you want to avoid extra material. When you button the jacket, there shouldn’t be more than a few inches of space between your body and the fabric. You want to accentuate that V shape of the manly man torso. The lines of the shoulder (you can see where the shoulder stops and the sleeve starts by the line of stitching that connects those two parts) should sit right at the end of your shoulders, and not one millimeter past. Two buttons are in style now, though you won’t be committing a grave sin if you opt for three. One vent is preferable to two. For a more casual or club-oriented look, blazers with an accessorized look — such as extra zippers or pockets or off-color stitching — are an acceptable alternative to traditional sport coats. Stay away from beige; bold colors or unconventional colors will help your blazer stand out from the crowd of herbs in their sensible sport coats. I like lime colored or white jackets for the summer, and shiny black jackets in the winter.

Short sleeve shirt

It’s summer, so no need to sweat like a pig for style. Button down short sleeve shirts are good as long as you keep in mind a couple of rules: one, the sleeves must fit fairly tight to your bicep (not spandex tight). No dorky flare between the sleeve and your upper arm should be evident. Two, don’t get short sleeves with one pocket. Two pockets or no pockets are acceptable.

T-shirts

Tight fitting T-shirts paired with blazers are a good look. Don’t be afraid to sport a solid colored tee. A solid black or gray tee will look good under a stylish blazer. You don’t need to spice it up by wearing a tee with a crazy pattern, or hipster slogan, unless the slogan is so funny that it’s sure to get attention from girls. Example: I saw a t-shirt with a stick figure man who had three legs drawn in, over the word “Gifted”. That’s pretty funny.

Vests

Yeah, they’re out of style. Which is why I wear them now. Buy vests at consignment shops. You’ll find cool retro stuff there that assures your look won’t be copied. A vest thrown over a t-shirt can really jumpstart a look.

Bracelets

Wide, hulking leather bracelets look like you’re trying. Thin leather bracelets, perhaps adorned with metal studs, are better. A couple pieces of black string nestled with a thin bracelet is a good way for newbs to peacock.

Rings

Rings have been the PUA’s signature peacock accessory since before the term was coined. They’re still a solid addition to any man’s style, but you should try to get your rings from sources off the beaten path. I have one ring I bought from a ramshackle gift shop in the middle of desert country that I’m sure no one else has. Fewer is better with rings. More than two rings and you’ll look like a wiseguy.

Belt

I like simple, well-crafted belts with a stylish but not gaudy buckle. I’m not a fan of studded or hole-punched belts, but I’ve seen guys pull off that look without a problem. If you’re wearing jeans and untucked shirts, you don’t need a belt.

Pants/Jeans

Same fit rule should follow with pants. When you try them on, pull at the leg material. If you can pull more than a couple inches form your leg, you are wearing pants too baggy for you. Jeans and pants, though, should be slightly more loose fitting relative to upper body clothing, which is why I prefer casual fit jeans to slim fit. Stay away from skinny jeans. I don’t care how many hipsters wear them and get laid, skinny jeans on men who aren’t on stage performing in a rock band look retarded. Anyhow, if you go to the gym and have any quad development at all, you won’t be able to fit in skinny jeans. Choose dark jeans; the darker the blue the better, generally. Elaborate back pocket designs are out for straight men. So are whiskers, studs, and fake holes. You don’t need to spend a fortune on jeans. I’ve gotten more compliments on my $70 Lucky Brand jeans than my $150 Diesel jeans. Obviously, pant pleats are a no-go, and will likely be so for a long while. Banana Republic sells some decent dress casual pants, though I’d skip their jeans.

Shorts

Again, since it’s the summer, why suffer for style? Shorts should extend to the knee, or just past it. Bulky cargo shorts are out. Solid colors are the way to go. Shorts are not a highlight piece; they are a functional piece that should not distract from your other stylish pieces.

Socks

Don’t ignore socks. They can be an excellent source of peacockery. Generally, socks should be the same or similar hue as your pants. Pair dark socks with dress shoes and jeans. Sneakers should be paired with black socks. White socks only for the gym. Socks should be longer rather than shorter; nothing more annoying than socks that constantly slip down your calves. But occasionally you can add style by wearing a brightly colored sock meant to be seen when you sit down. I like to wear red socks with dark jeans that complement a red shirt or tie. If you are wearing shorts, it may be better to forego socks entirely.

Shoes

Things to avoid: box-toed shoes, excessively pointy shoes, shoes with heavy soles that stick out from the sides, sandals. Things to look for: driver’s moccasins in place of flip-flops, traditionally styled shoes (not too pointy, not too square-toed), a solid manly heel. Shoes are noticed by women before anything else. It seems shoes are some kind of signaling agent that tells a woman how well you think of yourself. Since there are so many useful websites out there dedicated to the ins and outs of men’s shoe fashion, I’ll skip going into detail here.

Suits

This subject deserves a post of its own. Suffice to say, nothing more boldly or confidently projects solid manliness than a tailored suit. While the suit is not for every occasion, during those few times when you do wear one, you’ll feel the ghostly pulse of a thousand Don Drapers before you infuse your soul with pussy-wilting power. Charity events, art shows, exhibits, and happy hours that aren’t overrun by college-aged interns pounding Miller Lights are great places to showcase yourself in a suit.

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  1. on June 4, 2010 at 1:55 pm game_in_bk

    men can wear the cross. not a tacky cross- but a very simple one.

    how many straight male (wanna be pua’s) butthexers wear them in major metropolitan cities?

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  2. on June 4, 2010 at 1:58 pm Tarl

    As for hats, from casual observation, a guy who is not wearing a baseball cap is usually an older guy trying to hide the fact that he’s going bald.

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  3. on June 4, 2010 at 2:02 pm sfer

    Fit is key. I have a lot of too baggy clothes.

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  4. on June 4, 2010 at 2:03 pm Whatever

    Excellent review, and very thorough. Every detail right down to the socks is important. I’d also add watch in there. A nice watch can make just an undershirt look good.

    If anyone doubts the importance of clothes and style, just remember girls have no doubts. A simple controlled test is all it takes. Go somewhere twice, once with fresh new threads… and watch the positive results increase.

    Clothes shopping can be addicting, once the seal is broken.

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  5. on June 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm ahappinessexperiment

    this is the most valuable post i’ve read here yet.

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  6. on June 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm kaikou

    Swoon – any women who doesn’t love an impeccably dressed man is trash.

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  7. on June 4, 2010 at 2:06 pm kaikou

    Oh and the guy not wearing the mandals is gay.

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  8. on June 4, 2010 at 2:06 pm vasafaxa

    Sexy:
    Suits
    Ties
    Vests
    Blazers
    Medium Tight-T Shits
    Belts
    Sunglasses
    Semi Tight Sweaters
    nice watches

    Not Sexy:
    Mandles
    Baggy t-shirts with sayings on them
    Worse:
    If the saying is about a video game
    Shirts that look to silky
    pink shirts
    too-baggy jeans
    beat up sneakers
    Shorts
    worse:
    european man shorts, that are shorter than the ones I wear
    Bow-Ties

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  9. on June 4, 2010 at 2:06 pm game_in_bk

    i saw this movie a long time ago- at that time i was beyond hope.
    if only i would have listened. if only i could have understood.
    what a dead decade that was when i had no game.

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  10. on June 4, 2010 at 2:07 pm game_in_bk

    listen and learn.

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  11. on June 4, 2010 at 2:10 pm nupinup

    > Things to avoid: […] hoes with heavy soles that stick out from the sides, sandals.

    That rules out decent shoes almost by definition – goodyear-welt needs that to even work. Restrict rubber soles to snowy times – if at all. Or go for sneakers. But no dress shoes with cemented soles. Not at all.

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  12. on June 4, 2010 at 2:13 pm game_in_bk

    it really is this simple.
    Everyone needs a VV (trent) in their lives- better to meet him before you get married.

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  13. on June 4, 2010 at 2:16 pm game_in_bk

    man that chick looks dumpy and unstylish compared to those two dudes.

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  14. on June 4, 2010 at 2:18 pm Basil Ransom

    I often roll up sleeves or hide them under blazers

    Shirt cuffs should come out 1/4-1/2″ out of the blazer sleeve. T-shirts with blazers, especially when graced by a tie, are the province of tools and overgrown children.

    Traditional blazers are made for old fat men, but if you find a nice one that fits, it is incredible. I’ve bought many blazers, however, and have only one or two that fit that well. Look for high armholes and a tight fit.

    blazers with an accessorized look — such as extra zippers or pockets or off-color stitching

    If you want to accessorize a blazer, get a nice silk pocket square. Or pin an understated flower to your boutonniere, or get your tailor to sow in contrast stitch.

    Vests look good if you’re jacked, otherwise you look like that faggot who shops at J. Crew. (Nothing wrong with individual Crew items per se, but some of their outfits are for gays.) Cardigans look good if they’re tight-fitting, you roll the sleeves, and you’re lean and muscular, the moreso the better. Not a brand whore, but people worship a nice-looking cardigan with an alligator on it.

    Some items of clothing are effeminate, but with a muscled physique they look great. Think a lean 24 BMI at least.

    why I prefer casual fit jeans to slim fit.

    So you don’t actually barbell squat.

    The historical photos in the book Dressing the Man by Alan Flusser should serve as an inspiration. fit guidelines are good. The Sartorialist is inspiring, but hard to ape.

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  15. on June 4, 2010 at 2:18 pm al

    Clothing is just about maximizing your physical attractiveness. Don’t emphasize your weaknesses, which is why FIT is key. A tailor is easy to find and your friend.

    Fit and flattering color choice is basically all you need to not lose points, and maybe gain them.

    I actually think hats are hard to pull off; most examples of people wearing them are douchey celebs or skinny-jeaned Williamsburg residents. I think hats appeal to young girls, but so do douches, so . . .

    Also, summer heat is a fun time to play with light colored neutrals, including shoes. Seersucker on the bottom can be hot.

    A lime green blazer is awfully bold, especially for most skin tones. I’m not touching the image of sneakers (white! or light!) with dark socks. Ugh.

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  16. on June 4, 2010 at 2:22 pm dc

    see the g manifesto on suits

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  17. on June 4, 2010 at 2:23 pm Paul

    What about birkenstocks, outside of bars/clubs obviously.

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  18. on June 4, 2010 at 2:25 pm walawala

    Nothing turns chicks on more in Asia than wearing cowboy boots.

    I’ve got several pairs. They’re cool, stylish and unusual without being completely affectated.

    Also, they give me a bit of a swagger when I walk and are considered manly.

    They make me stand out immediately with women.

    On the suits….get double-breasted, 6 button is great for work….4 button work and going out. Hand-crafted is best if you can find someone who does this. It’s big in Asia which makes me wonder why more guys don’t take advantage of the great tailors out here.

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  19. on June 4, 2010 at 2:27 pm Phil

    Never wear a t-shirt under a button-down shirt. Never.

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  20. on June 4, 2010 at 2:32 pm Stud Dynamite

    pretty solid. Mentors, indeed, though not sure if I’d even call it that. But my “approach anxiety” was pretty much fixed was at my older cousin’s party when I was about 15. They invited cute neighbor girl about the same age (for me to hang out with) and I sat around all evening acting all “aloof”, until cousin’s BF pulled me and gave me a prompt verbal butt-kicking. Good times.
    Then my best friend I met in college, good game yet about the same as me looks wise etc, learned tons from him, negs, voice tone, you name it.
    Anyway, on style.
    What’s with Filene’s Basement hate? You could do much much worse IMO.
    Face symmetry – not so sure about this. Genetic perhaps, non-genetic (nose, jaw) could be “scar game”.
    Skinny jeans and converse shoes, is it still in? I’m actually pretty fond of the look (though I think I’m done with skinny jeans for daytime for summer hehe). And they’re pretty comfy. What converses and such tell women? They are cheap, but they’re expensive for the kind of shoes they are and you have to clean them like a mofo, toothbrush weekly, to keep rubber white.

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  21. on June 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm Spank

    I have to disagree with the skinny hipster jeans. Nothing has changed my success rate more than my switch to skinny jeans. And not even limited to hipster chicks. Of course I’m a pretty skinny guy. Not comfy and I’m constantly readjusting my balls in public (good thing?) but it’s what works for me.

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  22. on June 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm al

    What about birkenstocks, outside of bars/clubs obviously.

    Do you have pretty feet? Would anyone be a bit repelled looking at them?

    get double-breasted

    Hard to wear with anything but traditional fit, which is much baggier than currently popular. Not the best choice.

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  23. on June 4, 2010 at 2:35 pm Virgle Kent

    while I hate when your comment section turns to stupid shit about race that has nothing to do with your post…. I do feel in this instance that many of your rules may vary based on race and since you know me and my style you know what I’m talking about….

    but as far as your comments on suits

    “While the suit is not for every occasion,”

    What occasion is suit not for? Any night of the week, club, lounge, bar. The suit is so fucking versatile when done right one can become a chamelon and have no boundries in this city. Fucking rock one to Mikveh even. Now that’s real talk

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  24. on June 4, 2010 at 2:38 pm julian

    Good one. The only thing I vehemently disagree with is a tie over a t-shirt. That never looks good. Unless you are a model walking the runway, this look will not net you fashion points.

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  25. on June 4, 2010 at 2:39 pm ahappinessexperiment

    shoes with shorts always trips me up. socks look bad and sandals look bad. but if you’re wearing short it’s prob cuz it’s hot out and those shoes are gonna stink bad soon without socks. do u just plan on wearing odor eaters in ur sneakers or what?

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  26. on June 4, 2010 at 2:40 pm julian

    “What about birkenstocks, outside of bars/clubs obviously. ?”

    NEVER

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  27. on June 4, 2010 at 2:42 pm polymath

    Phil,

    T-shirt under button-down is OK for color contrast. I get IOIs when I wear a blue button-down with a black tee, because my best facial feature is bright deep-blue eyes and the echo of the iris/pupil contrast in the shirt/tee contrast works like magic.

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  28. on June 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm Spank

    Also, I’ve noticed (and been told by a chick) that a tight undershirt or wife-beater under a button down (buttoned or open) triggers an certain attraction in daddy-issue girls. They don’t call them wife beaters for nothin.

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  29. on June 4, 2010 at 2:48 pm julian

    I would say most men avoid shorts because rarely will they ever look good. However, if you need to wear shorts, I would opt for high quality form fitting khaki material with italian loafers or leather shoes sans socks. The problem is most men can’t pull this off but it looks louche and casual on the right dude. Like this:

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  30. on June 4, 2010 at 2:50 pm sandy

    I don’t know if you have Club Monaco in America, but I find their men’s clothes to be a good look. Also, they’re not too expensive.

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  31. on June 4, 2010 at 2:51 pm julian

    This is another example of how shorts can look good on the man with the right body type.

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  32. on June 4, 2010 at 2:51 pm nupinup

    > What occasion is suit not for? Any night of the week, club, lounge, bar.

    Suits: A suit is for work not for play. Only contractors, shop clerks etc wear em in a bar (likely because they don’t have to at work). And yes, mine are tailored and *slim*. As for colors, anything lighter than dark grey or navy is best left on the rack for pimps – you need to be very very good if you want to pull of a white suit. As for vents, one or two is ok, but if you buy something without one you deserve to be shot on the spot. Open the first button on the jacket of custom suit, people need to see it’s custom.

    Shirts: this is obvious for my European colleagues but shockingly not for Americans. Shirt are made out of cotton. Synthetic fibre is NOT for making shirts. And get a decent collar (New Kent is generally neutral), not this ridiculous bottom down stuff.

    Shoes: Good-year welt is where it’s at. Everything else is basically not worth buying unless its sneakers or functional shoes.

    Watch: I should get a new one. Mechanical is king. But by any means, skip the Rolex. That’s for wannabes. IWC is nice if you got the arm for it (they generally are much too wide for me) – heck whats not to like about a watch that is “nearly as complicated as a woman but on time”…

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  33. on June 4, 2010 at 2:53 pm Slartibartfast

    Regarding the picture of the hipsters, I have the overwhelming urge to walk up to that threesome, opposite the shovel-butt chick, and slam together the skulls of those two fags.

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  34. on June 4, 2010 at 2:57 pm Puma

    Looks like New York Times is back in the marriage/divorce debate … this time spurred on by the news of the Gore divorce.

    http://anonym.to/http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/

    Anybody want IN on the discussion thread over there? You know … to let them know what we REALLY think about marriage?

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  35. on June 4, 2010 at 3:02 pm Trimegistus

    The key is to look grown up. In a room full of boys in shorts and t-shirts, a man in a suit stands out.

    This means your suit should look like you actually wear it, and aren’t playing dress-up in Daddy’s clothes.

    One disagreement with Mr. R: keep your damned shirt buttoned and your tie done up all the way. If a girl wants to undo it, let her. But otherwise you look like a suburban high school douchebag in his rented prom tux who leaves the tie undone because he never learned to tie one.

    Oh, and bow ties rock, as long as you aren’t wearing a stupid clip-on. Two words: James Fucking Bond.

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  36. on June 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm EastPole

    A lot of this depends on your body type. I have huge legs, and a slimmer torso, so I can comfortable pull off looser shorts with a dress shirt and sleeves rolled up.

    On cooler nights, I will even do this with a blazer, but it has to be loose enough for you to comfortably swing a golf club, and matched with the right pair of shoes. Canvas type casuals can work.

    This is a risky venture, but it screams casual confidence and a man who is comfortable with himself. It enables strong summer game.

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  37. on June 4, 2010 at 3:07 pm Sidewinder

    Excellent topic and post. Very good detail.

    Having lived in several different areas of the country, I think it can’t be overstated that what kind of style you can get away with depends on your locality (see LA example). Some of the fashion points are universal – especially regarding getting cloths that fit right. But many of the suggested stylistic touches that work for CR in [new city] would not be as effective in midwestern cities, IMO.

    The only other constructive criticism I would offer is that while contrast is an effective game concept, you have to somewhat match expectations with your dress or you run the risk of appearing like a grown man playing dress up, which is a feminine trait. I think everybody has seen the older men at the bar in their PUA attire, looking absolutely ridiculous (and sketchy), or the younger guy uncomfortably wearing a blazer and tie who obviously has only worn a suit at his high school graduation and maybe church.

    But again, great post and excellent topic.

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  38. on June 4, 2010 at 3:07 pm shadowexit

    If you are in shape, finding a suit that fits is probably better than having it tailor-made. Unless you are so rich that the price difference doesn’t hurt.

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  39. on June 4, 2010 at 3:13 pm The Specimen

    Some random thoughts and tips:

    Bracelet: A wide black, blue, or pink rubber band works well.

    Hats: The San Diego fedora and newsie hats are in, which means that you don’t want to be caught dead in one. Try a dark felt fedora or boller at night, or an old school Pablo Escobar Columbian drug lord style straw hat for sunny days.

    Advanced tips: Here I can only speak for guys that have tall, lean, basketball player physiques like myself. We can get away with wearing stuff other guys can’t. Stuff that looks dorky on other people looks cool on us. For example: A vintage shirt one size too small will show off your lean torso and accentuate the length or your arms and the width of your chest and shoulders. This will make women feel even smaller around you. Bonus points if it’s something really dorky, like an old ‘My Little Pony’ shirt from the 80’s. Most people get laughed at in something like that, but if you’re handsome, over 6’3″ and 200 lbs, women will be approaching you.

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  40. on June 4, 2010 at 3:13 pm Sidewinder

    @ Trimegistis,

    Excellent points. You stole my thunder. But while there are a number of suggestions in the post that would not work where I’m currently living (unbuttoned dress shirt, bright socks, rings), for DC, Boston and NYC, I think his suggestions are good ones.

    As a rule of thumb, I think women in the midwest do not get subtlety as well, and for Chicago, Houston, St. Louis, i think one should be even more obviously masculine. I personally think it appears like over-compensation, but being big, fit, with a truck and a hunting hobby is effective here.

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  41. on June 4, 2010 at 3:14 pm nupinup

    shadowexit: a decent off the rack suit (such a thing does not exist in the US outside NY in my experience) is only marginally cheaper than a tailored one – that is if you are ok with the tailor being in Asia but that works just fine.

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  42. on June 4, 2010 at 3:23 pm The Specimen

    And I’m with the G and VK. There ‘s never a wrong time to be suited down.

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  43. on June 4, 2010 at 3:28 pm vasafaxa

    Sidewinder:
    My Little Pony?

    No I think you’re just handicapping yourself there.

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  44. on June 4, 2010 at 3:36 pm Sidewinder

    @vasafaxa,

    I don’t understand your question. What are you talking about

    No, I don’t get boners from my little ponies (anymore)

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  45. on June 4, 2010 at 3:41 pm Original JB

    Most important advice regarding fashion is not about fashion — lose weight and get toned. Then you’ll have more dress options.

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  46. on June 4, 2010 at 3:41 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlzozlzlozzllzlzzozlzl

    say wat you wnat about dress and style, but these dudes get way more pussy than you will ever even download of the net lzozlzlzlzl

    lzozlzlzlzlzlzl !!

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  47. on June 4, 2010 at 3:44 pm Original JB

    GFBM: I’m surprised you’re promoting the music of fiat-master-endorsed butthex (pro gay marriage) supporter Marshall Mathers.

    Why you’re as bad as Ben Bernanke.

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  48. on June 4, 2010 at 3:46 pm Billy Holiday

    I own about 30 pairs of shoes, and I get more comments from women on my beige Clarks Desert Boots than anything else. Every man should own a pair. You can wear them with almost anything.

    Boat shoes w/no socks are good with shorts. As are penny loafers with no socks, a little harder to pull off but I think it looks good.

    I agree with the guy who said no shirts under button ups, to a point. I see a lot of guys with crew necks under button ups and this looks really nerdy. If you’re gonna do it, wear a v-neck or wifebeater.

    I’ve been having success with beaded bracelets. They’re different enough from what most guys wear. The dudes from http://streetetiquette.com wear them a lot, it’s a good look. Also rings…I try to buy an intresting one whenever I travel. Usually from street vendors, chinatowns, etc. Girls *will* ask about them, and you have a DHV story.

    Most guys look good in straight leg jeans. (Not skinny, but straight.) Boot cut is out, unless you actually wear boots with them, then a slight boot cut is fine.

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  49. on June 4, 2010 at 3:47 pm The Rookie

    All of this can cost up to $3,000, which is the same price the G Man pays for 1 custom suit! Hmmm, which way should I go…

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  50. on June 4, 2010 at 3:50 pm greatbooksformen

    the federal reserve payed vasafaxa (vaginasexafaxmachinea) to tell all you losers that u must dress like betas and metrosexuals and follow the dress codes of teh fancy restaurants you must take her to to ever be able to touch a girls pussy zlozlzlzozzlzlzll while actually girls is just trying to control you in teh workplace while chcix takes cock from teh rock stars and they just want you to dress nice so you can work your 9 to 5 cubicle job lzozlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz

    vaginasexafaxmachinea writes:

    Sexy:
    Suits
    Ties
    Vests
    Blazers
    Medium Tight-T Shits
    Belts
    Sunglasses
    Semi Tight Sweaters
    nice watches

    Not Sexy:
    Mandles
    Baggy t-shirts with sayings on them
    Worse:
    If the saying is about a video game
    Shirts that look to silky
    pink shirts
    too-baggy jeans
    beat up sneakers
    Shorts
    worse:
    european man shorts, that are shorter than the ones I wear
    Bow-Ties

    lzozlzlzlzozlzlz!! i guaranfuckingtee you that if you want to get laid as oppsoed to pay for dinner, choose teh latter because it all shouts I JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK ALPHA!!

    lzozllz

    who would vaginasexafaxmachinea hook up with?

    you or eminem?

    seriously now–even if you were wearing all the above cool things she said, she will let you buy dinner as you obeyed the nice restaurant’s dress code lzozlzl but later on emeinem is gonna get his cocka wet

    lotsa cocka wets!!

    and chekcouy the clothes lzlozlzlzlzl

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  51. on June 4, 2010 at 3:55 pm TG

    Disagree on two points..

    1. No man should wear shorts…unless you’re going in the water

    2. No man should EVER wear short sleeve button ups….instead wear long sleeve button ups and roll the sleeves up(just below the elbow)

    Everytime I see short sleeve button ups I think of Dwight Shrute.

    on a side note…Shoes that always work…
    New Balance 574
    Puma Speed Cat
    Addidas Shell toe
    Addidas Samba
    Nike Cortez
    Cole haan(any cole haan)
    kenneth cole(any kenneth cole)
    Aldo(any aldo)

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  52. on June 4, 2010 at 3:59 pm greatbooksformen

    Original JB
    ”
    GFBM: I’m surprised you’re promoting the music of fiat-master-endorsed butthex (pro gay marriage) supporter Marshall Mathers.

    Why you’re as bad as Ben Bernanke.
    ”

    i’m all for emeinem he was a product of teh fiat masters as they funded teh divorce of his mom from his true fatehr who he never new lzozlzllzzozl and yah gay marriage is great and what we should do is outlaw heterosexual marraige as right now it is ass raping men time and again zlozlzlzlzlzl have you not eyes to se and ears to hear?

    http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/

    gay marriage is not the enemy bogeyman the neocons play it up to be, but rather their own actions of promoting butthexers like tucker maxth and their comp[lete silence on the insane divorce laws is the enemy of marriage lzozllzllzlz

    say what you want about ememinem but he nnevr sodomized a girl and taped it without her conthent, and this si why the neocns look down on rap artists ahwile embracing and glroifying tucker max and repating his lies and PR lies in the pages of their magaizne., ozlzlzozlzl

    even though eminem brakes the neoon dress code, he still gets far mroe pussy than all you betas who embrace teh [polite neocon dress code–the suits and business skirts they put on to sell tehir subprime bubble loans created from thin air and buitl to fail while anal raping teh eploele lzozlzlzlzlzl as goldman sahcs both creates the bubble and bets against it lzozlzlzlzlzllz, doing god’s work.

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  53. on June 4, 2010 at 3:59 pm Nutz

    Another tip for checking the fit of shirts is where the sleeve meets the torso. That seam should fall no more than an inch in either direction of the point of your collarbone where it meets the shoulder.

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  54. on June 4, 2010 at 4:02 pm greatbooksformen

    http://eumaios.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/gbfm-code-the-symbology-and-terminology-of-great-books-for-men/

    Neocon Butthex: symbology and terminology in the works of Great Books for Men

    lolzlzlzozlzl we already have some peoples working on the textbooks for studying GBFM lzozlzllozllzllzzl

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  55. on June 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm askjoe

    I recall VK had a post on how to accentuate a muscular upper body. I haven’t bought suits to look like Vinny Jones but a good investment (as opposed to a $$ custom made shirt) has been to get my regular shirts tailored to taper…otherwise, in order to get the neck to fit, you end up billowing in the mid-section, losing the effect of being in shape.

    This article from GQ should be instructive too, I remember reading it lo these many years ago.

    http://www.gq.com/style/grooming/200706/fashion-generation-tips-national-magazine-award

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  56. on June 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm Wtcantfw

    For plus size men, emphasize the mass, hide the creases, lumps, and jiggliness.

    Shorts are your friend. Show dem calves

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  57. on June 4, 2010 at 4:08 pm shadowexit

    nupinup: actually I got a near-perfectly fitting suit in the Pittsburgh when Ilived there. I might have been lucky. In my country we have no Asians making cheap suits, but most people are in shape. My town dresses best in the land.

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  58. on June 4, 2010 at 4:15 pm nupinup

    shadowexit: the Asians stay in Asia and FedEx brings the suit :).

    Even then, I can’t help but feeling a bit ridiculous in a suit but might be related that I look quite young for my 27 years… Sometimes I feel like I’m stuck in a suit for high school graduation party 🙂

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  59. on June 4, 2010 at 4:19 pm L'Emmerdeur

    The Vibram barefoot shoes you posted about a while back have gotten me shitloads of numbers and dates. I wear them when I walk around Manhattan, and women will strike up conversations about them.

    They are magic.

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  60. on June 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm Liverlips

    “That said, fashion is UNNECESSARY for picking up women. If you walk with the swagger of a warlord and your game is unstoppable, you can pick up girls wearing torn jeans and a ratty t-shirt.”

    Yes and no. Some of the guys I see in the mall wearing mandles, shorts way above the knee and old baggy t-shirts (sometimes even tucked in with a belt – seriously) would not pull anything.

    As for some of the comments – never where Birkenstocks or sandals – it makes you look effeminate and weak. And if you are white – like me – it makes you look too pale in the summer. The one exception is at the pool or the beach.

    Suits can certainly look out of place. Two weeks ago I went to a backyard party. Everyone was casual and if someone showed up in a suit he would have looked like a buffoon.

    The best thing about men’s fashion? So few American men have any sense of style (look around your mall on any day of the week). I am talking zero sense of style.

    So, an American man just needs a little style – and this article is a very good guide – to stand out. Just don’t overdo it and remember the context. Casual at a casual event or at the mall or hanging out at a bar/coffee shop. Formal at an event. Sandals/mandals only at the beach.

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  61. on June 4, 2010 at 4:35 pm Tim

    fucking awesome post. I’ve been wearing sandals for years now in the summertime and thought nothing of it. But now that I’ve seen some driver’s moccasins, I’m sold.

    Also, glad I never did get ear rings. Nice to know other dudes think the same way I do. What is it with men and ear rings? May as well tell the world you like taking dick in the pooter.

    Good advice on both bracelets and necklaces. A man cannot overdo it, or else he will be exposed. Thin and leather is the key, with some dangling black string.

    Subtlety with rings, also. We men must be cautious. the stress is on *low key* -no big rocks.

    If a man overdoes it with jewelry -he’s Liberace, so be careful men.

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  62. on June 4, 2010 at 4:40 pm Jabberwocky

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia#p/u/11/Hz1L63TdhC8

    Star Wars game lesson?

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  63. on June 4, 2010 at 4:50 pm polymath

    I went to a Catholic high school where jacket-and-tie was mandatory dress code. Although you wouldn’t think it’s hard to get used to wearing a suit, I am always surprised how many men look uncomfortable in one. I have been told I look very good/comfortable in suits, and I really think it comes from that early 5-days-a-week experience.

    It helps that I am 6’2″ with good proportions. I am a 7.5 most days but can be an 8 in a suit (if I am rested, groomed, and feeling energetic).

    I love how Don Draper wears a suit. That kind of sharpness is what I am trying for.

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  64. on June 4, 2010 at 5:06 pm greatbooksformen

    on case sum of u geniuouses are owndering how teh fed created the pua movement lzozllzlzlz

    how the federal reserve system created the PUA community lzozlzlzloozlzllzll!! they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlz

    omg i cannot beleive how many betas think that peacocking and wearring furry hats like mystery is being an alpha! lzozllzlz it’s almost as bad as neocons trying to herald and exalt secrteive tapers of sodomy as butthexual heroes while repeating the butthexers and secretive tapers of butthexer’s lies in their “conservative” magaiznes lzozlzozlzlzlzl. omg it makes me lzolzlzozzlozol so hard that my ribs hurt zlozlzlzl

    –http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/how-the-federal-reserve-system-created-the-pua-community-lzozlzlzloozlzllzll-they-do-no-wan-t-the-men-to-read-mises-or-hayek-or-jefferson-or-the-us-constitution-lzozlzlzlz-they-want-to-keep-the-men/

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  65. on June 4, 2010 at 5:06 pm Aloof

    Are you putting us under
    Cause we can’t take our eyes
    Off the t-shirt and ties combination
    We’ll see you later, innovator…

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  66. on June 4, 2010 at 5:07 pm greenlander

    I have unusual proportions and always had an awful time finding shirts that fit well…

    …until I met this guy:
    http://www.mytailor.com/

    Joe is great. He comes to my city every six weeks and I can buy made-to-measure shirts from hundreds of fabrics. They’re fabricated in Asia somewhere and I get them in a few weeks after I order. He does a lot of subtle details in the stuff he makes that are just great.

    I’ve gotten lots of compliments from girls on the clothes he’s made for me.

    I’ll never go back to buying off the rack. Yuck.

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  67. on June 4, 2010 at 5:07 pm The G Manifesto

    “That cool fedora you spot in Urban Outfitters or Banana Republic was probably purchased by twenty other guys before you, and nothing screams tool louder than showing up at a bar wearing the same hat as another man.”

    Like the multi-colored striped shirt and Affliction shirt before it, the hipster fedora is the most annoying thing out there right now.

    Basil Ransom – “Shirt cuffs should come out 1/4-1/2″ out of the blazer sleeve”

    Well done.

    Virgle Kent – “The suit is so fucking versatile when done right”

    Also, well done.

    nupinup – “As for colors, anything lighter than dark grey or navy is best left on the rack for pimps – you need to be very very good if you want to pull of a white suit.”

    You are discounting the tropics, the South of France in summertime, The Racetrack, and Las Vegas. Good point on the Rolex.

    In closing:

    If you are a man, wear a suit.

    If your suits don’t feel comfortable, fire your tailor.

    I have Custom Suits that are more comfortable than a t-shirt and jeans. Hell, I don’t even own a pair of jeans.

    If you wear skinny jeans, please kill yourself.

    – MPM

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  68. on June 4, 2010 at 5:09 pm The G Manifesto

    And Shorts are for two occasions:

    Surfing (Boardshorts)

    and

    Boxing

    – MPM

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  69. on June 4, 2010 at 5:19 pm blinky

    a sharp dressed man is irresistible but one who follows every fashion trend and has more shoes/clothes than most women is a narcissist and is to be avoided

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  70. on June 4, 2010 at 5:22 pm The Specimen

    TG’s right on with the shoes. The importance of having your shoe game on point cannot be exaggerated. Shoes are one of those details that all women notice, whether they’re aware of it or not. Any man can be quickly sized up with just one look at his feet. You can get your shirts from Goodwill and you Jackets from salvation army, but never skimp on the kicks. For sneakers, go to a botique store and get some customs or a limited edition pair. Somebody else will probably be able to tell you about dress shoes better than o.

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  71. on June 4, 2010 at 5:23 pm notanalphaforu

    Any man who dresses like this or thinks this is cool is a total metrosexual BETA. I look at you in the bar and think “wow, vest with the t-shirt?” “Sorry, I was waiting for the guy with the career”. Maybe this works in coastal cities but you wouldn’t get any pussy with that look in 99% of the country.

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  72. on June 4, 2010 at 5:29 pm Mike

    Cool post.

    Lucky Jeans are great. They have a semi-annual, 50% off sale. Sign up for their e-mail list. It’s worth it.

    I’ve graduated from Lucky’s to Joe’s Jeans:

    http://www.joesjeans.com/shop/home.php?cat=5

    Joe’s are cool jeans that don’t true too hard – unlike Rockin’ Republic, True Religion, or Diesel. No gaudy labels – just great fabric and great fit.

    I have a pair of slim fits. They work great, and I have large quads. The fabric is 98% cotton, 2% lycra. Laugh all you want….Just try on a pair.

    Short-sleeved shirts are great if in the right pattern. Forever 21 has some pretty cool ones.

    Aldo shoes are where it’s at for going out. Aldo also has good peacocking accessories like rings and bracelets.

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  73. on June 4, 2010 at 5:31 pm Sidewinder

    @ blinky,

    You said it better than me. In the midwest, guys have to make sure they don’t cross that line where its apparent that they are “trying” to dress up to go out. East coast and west coast grant men more lee-way with fashion. But even in the cities on the coasts, if the guy takes it too far, he gets labelled a metro-sexual narcissist.

    I don’t mean to sound like I’m ripping on the Midwest as a bunch of unrefined rednecks. Of all the places I’ve lived, I actually prefer it here because game is much more non-verbal and physical here. The downside is that by age 24, the girls are looking to get married and “provider” traits and status are more heavily emphasized.

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  74. on June 4, 2010 at 5:32 pm Sidewinder

    @ analforu,

    I think you’re right, but there are several points in the post that are pretty universal, especially about having cloths that fit.

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  75. on June 4, 2010 at 5:35 pm PT

    What?! No discussion of aloha shirts? They’re becoming cliche in my locale (left coast), but a good raw silk or true retro still pulls attention and is easily paired with a variety of pants, especially when worn to inappropriate venues with a DILLIGAF attitude.

    Also, I get a lot of looks from women when I pair slightly baggy, double pleated, cuffed, soft-drape khaki pants (chollos) with a black tank top, which showcases my well-developed chest, shoulder, and arm muscles. An unbuttoned aloha shirt is easily thrown over this for color splash.

    I have exceptionally good legs, so I often wear shorts- usually cargo or board. Top-end deck shoes w/o socks seem to work well with these shorts.

    Cowboy boots and Asian women- oh yeah, baby!

    Men who wear suits daily learn how to wear them well. I think looking relaxed in one is the icing on that cake.

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  76. on June 4, 2010 at 5:38 pm Mark

    Rule number one is absolute gospel. A cheap plain t-shirt that actually fits you looks 100 times better than something that doesn’t but is designer and expensive. By wearing clothes that fit, you telegraph having a better sense of fashion far more than douche that thinks he looks great because of some giant lame label or logo plastered on him.

    The way to find clothes that fit: Start with a smaller size than you think you can fit into and work your way up. I know tonnes of guys that think its great they buy large clothes when they should be in something a size or two smaller.

    She is right though, a lot of fashionable clothes only really work in leaner men, hit the gym hard and your wardrobe possibilities will multiply.

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  77. on June 4, 2010 at 5:41 pm Mark

    Sorry that should say “can’t” fit into. Start smaller than normal and go up, you’ll be surprised.

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  78. on June 4, 2010 at 5:45 pm kaikou

    @ GBFM – are you Irish

    I agree with the fatties calf thing

    Enimem is the shit and can fuck a lot of girls.

    Girls enjoy cockas, nuff said.

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  79. on June 4, 2010 at 5:47 pm greatbooksformen

    cockas!

    nuff said.

    zlozlzlzlz!

    piggy wiigy orwell animal farm!

    oin oink lzozlzlzl

    no i’m not irish lzozlzlzl

    i’m spanish fly like a wild and crazy guy zlzozl

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  80. on June 4, 2010 at 5:48 pm Aspiring2bAlpha

    About the socks: I don’t wear socks with dress shoes for any occasion during hotter months. This is classic men’s fashion although, as you might expect, some men only follow this when it’s ‘in’ (not sure if it is now). You show off your rugged masculine ankles. Similar to the post, if you have cankles then forget it.

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  81. on June 4, 2010 at 5:51 pm OneSTDV

    Ties are cool. Ties are masculine. Ties don’t have to be relegated to wearing with suits. You can wear a tie with a t-shirt for crying out loud and look good

    This advice would have been relevant pre-Avril Lavigne.

    [ed: that’s why they’re cool again!]

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  82. on June 4, 2010 at 5:55 pm greatbooksformen

    hey it’s friday all yu guyz and i luv you so i gootta tells u as a friend taht when u are out 2nite tryin to get someone 2 touch your cocka please please be sure 2 not let the girl know that you were reading a blog about clothes and fashions all afternoon today lzozlzlzlz

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  83. on June 4, 2010 at 6:01 pm ahappinessexperiment

    some people r knocking ever wearing shorts but if u live in a part of the country where its fucking hot as shit and hot girls hang out large bar decks on sat afternoons u look stupid if u dont wear shorts. still want to know how others handle the non-stinkfoot issue in the heat tho. i think thats the main reason u see so many people wear sandals even if they know better.

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  84. on June 4, 2010 at 6:05 pm Original JB

    “gay marriage is great and what we should do is outlaw heterosexual marraige as right now it is ass raping men time and again zlozlzlzlzlzl have you not eyes to se and ears to hear?”

    So you basically agree with neocon front man Jonah Goldberg on gay marriage? (His position is that it is inevitable, little sense in fighting it.)

    Why, what would Russell Kirk say? Tsk tsk, gbfm, you’re turning out to be a disappointment…

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  85. on June 4, 2010 at 6:06 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “hey it’s friday all yu guyz and i luv you so i gootta tells u as a friend taht when u are out 2nite tryin to get someone 2 touch your cocka please please be sure 2 not let the girl know that you were reading a blog about clothes and fashions all afternoon today lzozlzlzlz”

    yeah, but the ability to talk to girls intelligently about girls fashion seems to have value. just dont talk to them about guys fashion.

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  86. on June 4, 2010 at 6:09 pm kaikou

    @ GBFM
    Hmmmm not really into Spanish guys, although I can admit that they are hotties!
    Pale skin is hot on the right person with the right features, contrast maybe?
    Mmmmmmm….got to go and have some alone time.

    Later cockas!

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  87. on June 4, 2010 at 6:16 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozzl i am just kidding u i am not spoanish lzozllzlzlz

    where do you live?

    text cockas 2 me sometime and i will cum over and show you my best 3 features.

    my 2 marbles and my hot dog which at first you will think is a duraflame log lzozllzzllzlzol yah its dat big lzozlzlzzl and you will feel da burn of it zlozlzlzlz

    just text cockas to 212-iluv-cockas lzozlzlz

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  88. on June 4, 2010 at 6:17 pm sdaedalus

    I just think shorts, and short-sleeved shirts, have to be treated with care. Some men can look very good in shorts, but they are the exception that proves the rule. I agree about the deck-shoes & no socks with shorts.

    No one has mentioned polo shirts btw, are they seen as too preppy for US men? I think they can often look better than tshirts & short-sleeved shirts.

    I agree completely about the fit, the need to be sparing on patterns and the shoes. Well fitting & relatively unobtrusive basics combined with one striking accessory is a good look. The Sartorialist is very good from point of view of examples of tasteful but still dashing accessories although the guys on it often have a tendency to over-accessorise in terms of amount of accessories involved.

    I find it hard to visualise the vest over the tshirt thing – does vest here mean a waistcoat, in which case it could work very well, or a wife-beater, in which case I would so love to see a picture.

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  89. on June 4, 2010 at 6:20 pm notanalphaforu

    I’d love to point out that the guys who gave me the thumbs down are home on Friday night.

    But thanks! I know, I know, the truth hurts!

    So feel free to head out there tonight in that porkpie hat with the vest and the tshirt and shorts. See what kind of sad situation you come home with, if anything at all.

    Yes, I’m home too. But I’m married. =)

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  90. on June 4, 2010 at 6:22 pm rickitarr

    A few points from a veteran,mostly directed at the over 35 ‘s:
    Polymath is entirely correct that it takes practice to wear a suit comfortably. The suit should not be too tight. A good tailor can give you room and still have an excellent fit. It is much better to have a few simple ,very high quality suits than a bunch of crappy ones. Go custom if you can, in the long run it works out to be cheaper. Use the best fabric you can afford, of medium weight and stick to solid grays, midnight blues and carefully chosen, understated pinstripes. Use material that does not in any way look shiny. Try to get real buttonholes etc. If you do this correctly and practice at it , a suit can actually be worn casually with killer results. This may sound paradoxical ,but it’s not. To get an idea of what I’m talking about, watch what Charlie Rose wears. His peak lapels are not for everyone, but the slightly slouchy look of his suits comes across as very classy, and it is obvious that they are of superior fabric and tailoring. He looks comfortable in them,very natural.He almost always wears a solid color tie. The point is, he could go from a formal interview with the Pope straight to doing shots with the Stones and look completely right in the same outfit. It takes a lot of experience to understand and apply this, and I know that my words are mostly being wasted on you cretins.
    Also, for the experienced and relatively well off man who wears a suit and tie to work, my advice is to spend a lot more attention to your shirts. Again, go custom. Pick out understated but complex stripes that can be worn with solid ties. These add variety to you wardrobe and allow you to get more mileage out of your plain color suits. Never buy a light colored suit unless you have the Eldorado and gold neck chains to go with it. Don’t waste money on plaid suits odd color stripes as they can only be worn rarely because they are so memorable.
    Also, I cannot stress how important it is to wear ties that fit. The proper width and length vary according to your size and to some degree to your tastes. You can get superb custom ties made to your exact specs from overseas for less than half of what you pay here in our rapidly failing republic. Stick with very simple ties. And no, don’t wear a tie with a freaking tee shirt.
    An advanced tip given here for free to the discerning operator. Remember those expensive custom shirts I mentioned ? On weekends when you are running around doing beta activities, you will wear a carefully chosen expensive pair of dark brown casual shoes, or as mentioned above, suede desert boots etc, with well fitting jeans ,khakis or cords and a good belt that matches the shoes. You wear one of the striped dress shirts that you wore during the week, that still looks ok and has a bit of starch left.Depending on the season, you can add a good fleece or down vest etc. This works wonders. You are dressed casually and can relax and get things done. However, the expensive shirt is an immediate signifier that you have alpha in you. It will get you more respect from the tradesmen you will be dealing with ,and trust me, if you run in to a woman of interest she will immediately notice this detail and realize that (at least as far as clothes go) you are not a run of the mill beta.This look also conveys other social signifiers that are too advanced for you morons to understand. This brings up another point. A big sin that men who are aging a bit and have some money will commit is to buy overly matched casual threads. Nothing says chump more than buying a bunch of expensive off the rack casual shirts and sweaters that are “perfectly coordinated” to go with your varying colored chinos and cords.Let your cords fray and wear one of the dress shirts with them. If you wear loafers, for God’s sake save up your money and buy one pair of real cordovan leather pennys’ and take care of them. They will last decades and you will quickly realize what a tool you were for wearing any other kind.

    [editor: i forgot to mention in the post, the proper way to wear a tie with a t-shirt or a short sleeve shirt is to have the tie be the same color and pattern as the shirt, so that it almost disappears into the shirt fabric. that way, when girls notice your tie up close they squeal with delight that they found you wearing something so oddly different.]

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  91. on June 4, 2010 at 6:22 pm Aspiring2bAlpha

    When I was a senior in hs I went stag with a few buddies to junior prom. We all got our suits at the local Goodwill (not sure if that’s nationwide but it’s like the Salvation Army). I wore an old houndstooth vest with some grey slacks; I looked like a hotshot lawyer character out of the 70’s or 80’s. We were hits and all of us got some later. One friend lost his virginity.

    Sidenote: Towards the end of the night I ditched the girl I later bedded to go dance with a mentally retarded girl from our school. She asked me so I went and even stayed with her, AND sang to her, for the last slow song of the night (it was completely sincere… she deserved it) while my lover for later in the evening looked on by herself. This is before I had any knowledge of game. Now that I know what the fuck is going on I can see that I didn’t just get ‘lucky’. This shit’s all coming together.

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  92. on June 4, 2010 at 6:24 pm notanalphaforu

    The real alpha male is at the bar not trying too hard; button down shirt, nice jeans, great shoes and loafers are perfection.

    I know a rather fabulous man that I used to work with who showed up every day to work in a button-down Faconnable shirt, jeans, and a gorgeous pair of Tod’s loafers, and a fantastic belt.

    Done. He doesn’t need his clothes to make him stand out as he allows his game and personality to do all the talking for him. And he got more pussy than a catbox.

    Just sayin’.

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  93. on June 4, 2010 at 6:37 pm Trimegistus

    TG and SDaedalus are right on: shorts and short-sleeved shirts are what little boys wear on the playground. Unless you’re so steeped in testosterone that you can manage the British schoolboy look, stick to grownup clothes.

    Hats: Frank Sinatra wore narrow snap-brim hats and got more pussy than the SPCA. Now that every douchebag is trying to look like Indiana Jones, try a hat that women will associate with grown men.

    Simple note: if you’re afraid it will “make you look too old” — GO WITH IT! (Unless you’re considering Depends or a colostomy bag as an accessory.) All these chest-waxed bozos in jams look like oversized toddlers. Look like a man, dammit!

    [editor: obviously, i don’t recommend wearing shorts at night to go out. but when it’s 95 degrees and 100% humidity and the sun is beating down, i’ma gonna wear shorts, and the girls are agonna love it, dammit. short sleeve shirts are fine as long as you follow the rules i outlined in the post, specifically make sure the sleeve is fitted around your bicep. there are a lot of stylish short sleeves in boutique fashion outlets. french connection used to sell really good ones that had a military motif.]

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  94. on June 4, 2010 at 6:40 pm greatbooksformen

    Original JB

    “gay marriage is great and what we should do is outlaw heterosexual marraige as right now it is ass raping men time and again zlozlzlzlzlzl have you not eyes to se and ears to hear?”

    So you basically agree with neocon front man Jonah Goldberg on gay marriage? (His position is that it is inevitable, little sense in fighting it.)

    Why, what would Russell Kirk say? Tsk tsk, gbfm, you’re turning out to be a disappointment…

    lozlzlzlzllzlzlzozlzzozlzlzll! hey original JB unplug your butt for a moment here lzaozlzlzlzllzlzlz i can tell right off the bat that you are short balding neocon lzozlzlzl

    of course jonah godlberg is ultimately pro pro pro joe and joe lzozlzlzlzlzl

    gay marirage is not a threat to heterosexual marrriage lzozlzlz no the divroce laws are which the neocns will never ever change as that owuld undermine tgeh fed’s aboliton of the fmaily lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzozzlo

    don’t you get it that gay marriage is just something the neocmns sometimes pretened 2 be against but not really the whoile time they are assraping men in divorce courts and further abolishing the family? lzozlzlzl

    don’t you know why the money masters never let obama nor george bush nbor any presiendt ever speak out for marriage and a man’s rights to run his home? lzozlzlozzlzl

    today a man would be incarcerated for laying down natural law and keeping cocks of short lying beta oduches away from his daughters anus lzozlzlzl all the while teh short lying betas and ouchebags would be heralded as heroes and get their fiat PR lies puiblished by neocn women in the weekly standard while a nother womean at the simon and schuster publishing hosue would publihsh his next book zlozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl

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  95. on June 4, 2010 at 6:51 pm askjoe

    Rickitarr’s points of beta weekend wear reminds me of this play by play take down of schlub v Howie Long in a truck commercial. For the older, married folks on this blog, of course.

    skip to 2:00
    be like Howie, Herb.

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  96. on June 4, 2010 at 6:54 pm sdaedalus

    editor: obviously, i don’t recommend wearing shorts at night to go out. but when it’s 95 degrees and 100% humidity and the sun is beating down, i’ma gonna wear shorts, and the girls are agonna love it, dammit. short sleeve shirts are fine as long as you follow the rules i outlined in the post, specifically make sure the sleeve is fitted around your bicep. there are a lot of stylish short sleeves in boutique fashion outlets. french connection used to sell really good ones that had a military motif.]

    In fairness, I did say that when shorts look good, they look very good. I do think that it is hard for pale hairy legs to look good in shorts though, some level of suntan would be required. I would be really interested to know the recommended policy on waxing & fake tan for those men not naturally blessed in this regard.

    Again, I think we’d need a leg photo for full effect, preferably the entire leg and foot, either front or rear would do.

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  97. on June 4, 2010 at 6:57 pm sdaedalus

    Although I’m a big Charlie Sheen fan, I’ve never really liked those short-sleeved shirts he wore in Two and a Half Men (he just about managed to pull off the shorts).

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  98. on June 4, 2010 at 7:09 pm Cannon's Canon

    nuke the feminist pussy from orbit fashion:

    http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?itemdescription=true&itemCount=80&startValue=1&selectedProductColor=&sortby=&id=18184382&parentid=SALE_M&sortProperties=+subCategoryPosition,price&navCount=42&navAction=jump&color=&pushId=SALE_M&popId=SALE&prepushId=&selectedProductSize=

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  99. on June 4, 2010 at 7:12 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “I do think that it is hard for pale hairy legs to look good in shorts though, some level of suntan would be required.”

    this tends to be self-fulfilling. if u live in a hot part of the globe- a long long way from ireland – u r gonna wear shorts in the summer outdoor weekends and ur legs r gonna get at least a little tan because of it, even those us of descended from northern climes. ok, maybe not gingers.

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  100. on June 4, 2010 at 7:26 pm sdaedalus

    @Happiness experiment

    I think this is a good point in principle, but I have seen US men in Paris and the South of France (not in Ireland, the weather is too bad here for that) whose legs are very pale.
    They are not gingers (actually, a lot of gingers have very nice legs in shorts btw)

    Would you fake tan if you had to? This is a dilemma many Irish men face when travelling abroad. I myself have *ahem* lent fake tan to men of my acquaintance on occasion, after impassioned pleas, for the purposes of disguising pale legs.

    The better-prepared ones attend tanning booths in advance of their holidays. The difficulty of course is that the leg hair gets in the way, sometimes it may have to be removed if the tan is to take, a trip abroad can require quite a lot of work.

    PS: as some of you may know already from reading my blog, I am a leg woman.

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  101. on June 4, 2010 at 7:30 pm Name

    “Anybody want IN on the discussion thread over there? You know … to let them know what we REALLY think about marriage?”

    Holy….

    Puma, I don’t think you need to comment on why everyone here is avoiding marriage. The feminazis over there seem to be anti-marriage enough. Just a few gems from the first comments I came across:

    “It is a lot to ask marriage longevity to keep up with the extension of our life spans.” Christ, why doesn’t she just say, “Divorce really isn’t necessary because I’m banking on jerkoff husband to get cancer from all the conventional vegetables I serve him.” Yeah, but something tells me these commenters aren’t cooking dinner as evidenced by the next comment, “As long as women are economically secure, divorce may work to their benefit.” Betty Friedan couldn’t have said it better.

    And I’d really love to shoot this commentor:

    “Let’s face it – what pleases you at 20 may have nothing to do with what you find pleasing at 60. It might be called maturity.” Yes, “maturity,” the 8-letter word that apparently summarizes this lady’s short attention span and loyal equivalency of a stray cat. Holy f…

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  102. on June 4, 2010 at 7:32 pm rickitarr

    As predicted, my pearls of wisdom travelled through the vacuum between askjoe’s ears at the speed of light. The video was funny but got some things wrong. The second guy did look and act completely ridiculous with his shemale mannerisms,fake vest and truly omega cap.The man I am alludingto in my post never wears a baseball cap,except perhaps when fishing etc. When you think about it, the clothes of Howie and the schlub would in real life be reversed. Howie would have the cool to wear a torn tee and a washed out workshirt with two days stubble, the schlub would have tried to make himself look like a he-man by getting geared up at J.Crew…….

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  103. on June 4, 2010 at 7:56 pm not too late

    Ha, I wondered about ties. My husband loves ties. I can’t believe how many he has. I like them. He looks better with a tie. The funny thing is my son loves them, too and also has quite a collection, and he is still a kid.

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  104. on June 4, 2010 at 8:01 pm Uncle Elmer

    A few good points from the crowd but mostly amateur speculation.

    Where I live in the sunny southwest most guys wear jeans and tshirts, maybe a buttondown, or worse, goofy-ass bright cowboy colors. So merely wearing some fine gabardine slacks, nice shoes, and decent shirt sets you apart. Women cue on me all the time like it’s a fishing lure. I think guys in more metropolitan cities already dress like this.

    Funny thing is, my fine slacks are far more comfortable, have held up better, and cost about the same as jeans, which generally look bad and don’t wear well. You, along with everyone else, have been programmed to believe jeans are cool, which is why nice slacks differentiate you from the competition.

    And the comment about goodwill shirts and pants but top-qual shoes is dead-on.

    Not sure what the hell you mean by 2 pockets only on a ss shirt. The best looking ss shirts I have are all 1 pocket; 2 pockets is too military style. I wear nice silk or cotton summer shirts, not too tight.

    Generally, tshirts look like crap, avoid them.

    Understand your color scheme. Can’t emphasize enough. This is missing from the screed. A blonde guy wears different colors than a black guy or auburn hair guy. They says bright bold colors; true if they are in your palette, deadly otherwise. Check it out in your men’s department : shirts are arrayed in colors. There was a great book, maybe out of print, “Color for Men”, by Kate Jackson, that had ervey skin and hair type with associated pallets : Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall. The stores follow this scheme, understand yours.

    The thing is when you have the right colors your clothes work well in together. It’s called being color coordinated.

    Also you are going to have to shop the finer men’s departments on a regular basis. Expect to find only 1 or 2 good items at a time or you will buy some crappy clothes.

    Most of us were never taught how to dress and there isn’t near the publications that women have on this topic. White suburban-spawned guys are especially challenged. I recommend R.Don Steel “How to Date Young Women” series and John Malloy “Dress for Success”, written 40 years ago.

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  105. on June 4, 2010 at 8:02 pm ahappinessexperiment

    this post has been eye-opening. i spent my 20’s playing in bands wearing dirty tshirts and dirty jeans everyday & the girls didn’t seem to mind. now that i can’t get away with that anymore i’ve got no clue how dress as an adult.

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  106. on June 4, 2010 at 8:02 pm PA

    You own any pleated pants?

    Burn them.

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  107. on June 4, 2010 at 8:24 pm Carl Sagan

    Not sure if it has been mentioned as I didn’t bother to read any comments, but here is my pro tip of the day:

    If you plan on wearing shorts and are wearing regular sneakers, DO NOT wear fucking tube socks. Wear the athletic socks that are cut at the ankle.

    Nothing more retarded than dudes sport the tube socks while wearing shorts.

    If you are playing tennis it’s alright, but otherwise don’t do it.

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  108. on June 4, 2010 at 8:47 pm Original JB

    “hey original JB unplug your butt for a moment here lzaozlzlzlzllzlzlz i can tell right off the bat that you are short balding neocon ”

    A psychic you’re not, so stick to the argument.

    “gay marirage is not a threat to heterosexual marrriage lzozlzlz no the divroce laws are which the neocns will never ever change as that owuld undermine tgeh fed’s aboliton of the fmaily lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzozzlo”

    Why not? Despite its ostensible purpose, virtually every social innovation the left introduces has the same goal in mind: the abolition of the family. The purpose of gay marriage is ultimately the same as the purpose of divorce laws.

    Gay marriage = straight marriage; homosexuality = heterosexuality. What is first merely tolerated eventually becomes required. If the notion of your impressionable kids being taught about the pleasures of homosexuality doesn’t bother you, well, I suggest you have a serious blindspot about the ways and means of leftist strategy.

    Now I’m supposed to believe that gay marriage is an exception to this pattern? Nah, more likely you’re a monomaniacal fool.

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  109. on June 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm polymath

    I don’t have a choice about socks– I have had varicose veins for 25 years (family trait), and wear high compression (but stylish) Therafirm over-the-calf socks all the time. The white ones look fine with athletic shoes, the dark ones come in lots of colors and look good work or casual, but if I go without them for a day my feet get purple and mottled. The good part is that the varicose veins have gotten only a tiny bit worse in 25 years, the socks are really effective at promoting circulation, so my legs look OK if the occasion calls for shorts.

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  110. on June 4, 2010 at 9:18 pm Pupu

    after two drinks and many thoughts
    pupu is ready to confess…

    her secret fetish for
    a crisp white
    shirt

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  111. on June 4, 2010 at 9:36 pm kaikou

    I with PuPu a white shirt is hard to pull off.

    @poly – damn that sux, how old are you?

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  112. on June 4, 2010 at 10:00 pm Willy Wonka

    Good post, but why are you hating on the earrings?

    I was thinking about getting my ears re-pierced.

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  113. on June 4, 2010 at 10:08 pm Cauthon

    Double pleats and too much material in the crotch is the primary cause of the “load in pants” look.

    I look at some of my coworkers and just think, “For fuck’s sake, buy a pair of pants that fit and walk upright like you have some self respect.” Any guy that slouches and wears baggy pants is instantly de-sexualizing himself.

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  114. on June 4, 2010 at 10:12 pm polymath

    kk,

    I’m 48 — it’s not so bad, if the only lifestyle sacrifice I have to make for health reasons is to give up cool socks, I’m doing pretty well.

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  115. on June 4, 2010 at 10:21 pm Anoymous

    Will the real Slim Shady please stand up, put one of those fingers on each hand up!

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  116. on June 4, 2010 at 10:25 pm Puma

    @Name

    Yeah if you check out comments beyond #64 on the NYT thread … you will see that the Shrew Brigade has arrived on the scene.

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  117. on June 4, 2010 at 10:32 pm sloopJohn

    my favorite ensemble is white shirts with jeans, usually 501s.

    also, although they were made fun of in ‘Forgetting Sarah Marshall” (good movie otherwise;) , love Tommy Bahama silk shirts while on holiday anywhere in the tropics.

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  118. on June 4, 2010 at 10:33 pm vasafaxa

    It is important to note that different kinds of outfits turn different kinds of women on.

    I love a man in a suit, even though I see all the men that I go to college in suits about every couple of weeks or so because the kind of profession I plan on going into. Unfortunately our long black dresses aren’t as attractive as the suits.

    A suit looks masculine. It says power. It says control. It says sexy. But it says that in a certain kind of world.

    In different class or scenery a suit can just say rediculous. For me there never is a time, but there are girls out there who prefer the more rugged look. But frankly for me the addition of necklaces plus stained wife beater shirts just says guido-hick.

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  119. on June 4, 2010 at 11:04 pm The_King

    This is by far your worst entry. Clearly you don’t know dick about fashion. Read some GQ and Esquire for a few months and try again.

    Some good statements you made were common knowledge and can be found on askmen or other PUA websites. Everything else was pretty off and if a guy followed ur advice he would look totally generic.

    Good haircut always beats hats and caps. Why wear a hat indoors anyways? If you take it off, u have hat hair too. This move is bad as wearing shades inside. When is hat wearing acceptable? When you are dressed up in a suit. Cap? Sport event or during an outdoor activity that you need protection from the sun.

    Necklace is always good, beats having to get a tattoo and u can stand out if you have something unique. It’s always better than a ring, which is more feminine.

    General rule with ear rings.. left means straight… right or both means gay. Newb.

    Socks… really? Long is good for suits and dress pants. Short is always better for everything else. Also not wearing socks will lead to feet odor for most men, so don’t ever go without it unless your wearing sandals.

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  120. on June 4, 2010 at 11:12 pm Lupo Leboucher

    Personally, I think short sleeve button down shirts should be illegal unless you’re a NASA employee. Wear a golf shirt. If you have muscles, people will say, “dang, nice muscles.” If you don’t, at least you won’t look like you work for NASA. Sure, faggy hipsters wear such things; a good reason to avoid them.

    Shirts: if you lift weights, you must purchase a tailored shirt. Why? Because they don’t make proper shirts for fit men. If you have an 18″ neck, you will be assumed to have a 44″ chest and a 40″ waist (mine’s 30″). If you buy such a shirt, and attempt to wear it, you will have huge billowing sailcloth gathered at your waist, you’ll print your man-boobs on the chest, and you will look like a complete foolio. Tailored shirts can be ordered from asia for $25 a piece; cheaper than most off the rack shirts. The measurements ain’t crucial, so you can order online.

    Peacock variations: I wear what might be considered extremely loud plaid jackets or pants (though never at the same time: duh); saxony tweed, big stripes, boating jackets; the works. You need to be a complete dick to pull it off: used car salesman level of game. I got one loud jacket/vest/tie combo like this which is deadly when my game is spot on: the type of thing you pick up strippers or other public performer types (the bartender, cigarette girl, ballerina, etc) in. Loud jackets work particularly well with flat out asshole game. You will be the center of attention, so women will actually hit on you to get in the spotlight. Being a lazy bastard, I like this. Loud pants: funny guy game (aka, act like Rodney Dangerfield). Semi loud pants (seersucker … or bigger vulgar stripes) make you look …. evil. An overlooked subtle style variation.

    Vests are awesome: I wore vests even before I started dressing well. If you have a decent tailor, a tailored vest is money very well spent. A vest which fits right is insanely flattering. One which doesn’t can be stylish, but the difference is huge. To add a bit of vulnerability to your look: sweater vest. Chicks like to rub up against cashmere sweater vests.

    Necklace: I have a 2200 year old roman artifact I used to wear on a leather thong outside a black turtleneck (probably with a sport coat). Certain women seemed to love that look; sort of “new age intellectual.” Plus it gave them the opportunity to touch me on the chest; win.

    Nice watches don’t hurt either; and crazy looking rings suit the same purpose. Cat’s eye in silver is cheap and hypnotic. Sadly, with the weights, mine no longer fits.

    Tuxedo pants and jackets are designed to be form fitting; you can get them and a loud vest meant to go with them on ebay for practically nothing. That and a (fitted!) tux shirt; you’re GTG for nightclub life. Of course, you’ll look retarded if you’re not at a party or nightclub (or Opera), but if you are, it will work very well for you.

    Suits: American cut suits stink on ice for PUA crap. They’re designed to make slim men look as fat as the dudes who run the country. I’ve got one; I use it for certain kinds of business with fat people. The rest of my suits are English or Italian cut. Careful wearing Italian suits at work though: you’ll look too much like a pimp -lots of stuff that makes women wet and sloppy downstairs subconsciously pisses men off. English cut is really the way to roll.

    Pleats: only if you’re wearing a tweed suit. Since I often do this, I can report, pleats look awesome with a tweed suit, and with absolutely nothing else.

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  121. on June 4, 2010 at 11:22 pm Lupo Leboucher

    @rickitarr “He almost always wears a solid color tie. The point is, he could go from a formal interview with the Pope straight to doing shots with the Stones and look completely right in the same outfit. It takes a lot of experience to understand and apply this, and I know that my words are mostly being wasted on you cretins.”

    Charlie Rose’s look is pretty good, but do remember: what looks good in person and what looks good on television are somewhat different. Loud patterned ties can be great in person: they’ll always look like hell on TV. Charlie Rose is also not a big hit with the ladies. Dressing for other dudes (buttonholes) is not the same as dressing for the ladies (nice shoes).

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  122. on June 5, 2010 at 12:09 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Shirts: Never wear a short sleeved button down. Power men with power jobs do not wear them, and wearing short sleeves sends the signal that you have a cubicle and not a corner office. Never wear short sleeves to work. They tell your boss he has you where he wants you.

    Vests: I got laid because of my vest.

    Shoes: Wear boots. Cowboy boots or engineer (biker boots. Only wear goth style boots if you are rocking the whole goth look…then go kick your own ass for looking like a douche.

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  123. on June 5, 2010 at 12:24 am aragorn

    Great post. A few things.

    The 1/4-1/2″ rule for sleeve lengths is for suits only, a blazer should hide the shirt cuffs. ie, you wear the sleeves a little longer on a blazer.

    A good tailor is more important than a tailor-made suit. You will probably look better in a $2k Canali suit fitted by a competent Nordstrom tailor than a custom suit by your local tailor.

    Wear french cuff shirt sleeves with a suit.

    Learn how to tie a bow-tie. If you wear the wrap around clip on variety people can tell and it looks stupid. Bonus is at the end of the night when you untie it it looks cool.

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  124. on June 5, 2010 at 12:52 am julian

    One thing that I notice with many men is that when they don’t have an innate fashion sense they go for whats trendy. Massive mistake. All the Ed Hardy apparel, ridiculous patterns on t-shirts, jeans with weird stitching’s or washes, loud striped button down shirts, all this stuff screams TOOL.

    When in doubt Keep it Simple Stupid. Custom Suits, form fitting jeans, solid color button downs, cardigans, blazers, form fitting 100% cotton t-shirts, high quality shoes (this as many have said is essential), a leather jacket (nothing with weird pockets, colors or patterns, a black or brown cafe-style racer jacket is perfect), a black or grey tweed or wool overcoat for winter, a couple hats.

    The easy thing for men is that there isn’t that many options. Buy some essential high quality non-trendy well fitted pieces and you will feel great and women will also notice. It’s actually really easy as long as you stick to that maxim. My father once told me with regards to fashion “trends are for women son, men stick to classics”. There are many masculine men who have laid the foundation.

    Paul Newman

    Marlon Brando

    Miles Davis

    Clark Gable

    The Rat Pack

    Cary Grant
    http://files.posterous.com/accidentaloptimist/dJhaasyjovBeHoHIDgcvaBjBpnEkmjGBfgqiAGJvxDDbxrBbiHgHpzBBtCvB/media_httpwwwthesartorialistcomphotosGrant2Webjpg_tjEDnifkmsquJlg.jpg.scaled500.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1275713830&Signature=JVYqHlohWYe5QVpFDUZkf%2FND4WA%3D

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  125. on June 5, 2010 at 12:53 am Vincent Ignatius

    I’ve put up a couple posts about fashion. Being in Europe really makes me think about the flaws in American fashion sense.

    As for sunglasses, red and purple tinted aviators definitely catch people’s attention. I just restrained myself from dropping 150 euros on a new pair.

    Jeans and pants. Have a tailor. I’ve found so many pairs that fit great but were too long for my freakishly short legs. One trip to the tailor and they’re perfect.

    Suits. Unless you have the cash to go all out, stick with a slightly cheaper suit and get it tailored rather than spending that extra money on a slightly more expensive suit that fits poorly. Better yet, travel to East Asia or Latin America and get a custom suit on the cheap. I own four and I work in a field where most people go to the office in a t-shirt and jeans.

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  126. on June 5, 2010 at 1:03 am walawala

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  127. on June 5, 2010 at 1:10 am Ronin

    Only pirates wear ear rings, butt pirates.

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  128. on June 5, 2010 at 2:00 am Gorbachev

    @walawala

    Nothing turns chicks on more in Asia than wearing cowboy boots.

    What the hell – in Korea, it’s the same thing.

    Bizarre. I never do it, though.

    On the suits….get double-breasted, 6 button is great for work….4 button work and going out. Hand-crafted is best if you can find someone who does this. It’s big in Asia which makes me wonder why more guys don’t take advantage of the great tailors out here.

    Hand-crafted suits: Whenever I go to Korea, I get several tailored for me. Always great. Best quality; not expensive; look amazing.

    @ch – tight about the fit being everything.

    And some guys can carry off the wife-beater shirt look well.

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  129. on June 5, 2010 at 2:01 am Gorbachev

    In Europe, though, you need to modify your look slightly. Especially in France.

    The French live in a world of their own.

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  130. on June 5, 2010 at 2:38 am RF Interference

    My two cents:

    -Don’t wear socks in summer with anything less formal than a wool suit. Going sockless with seersucker, cotton or linen suits or even a wool jacket with cotton trousers is completely acceptable. If you must wear socks because your feet and shoes stink if you don’t, pick up some of these from Mocc Sock & Co. or something similar.

    -Don’t ever pay over $1,000 for an off the rack suit, or pay over $100 for an off the rack dress shirt. You can get quality made-to-measure clothing for around that price, if not bespoke. At that point you’re paying for some sort of perceived status that doesn’t translate to the quality of material and fit you’ll actually be wearing.

    -Always remember, jeans stretch after you buy and wear them. You probably want to buy them an inch, or maybe even two inches in extreme cases, shorter in the waist than your slacks. It’ll help your jeans rest in the right place on your waist.

    -First suit you should buy is dark grey. It’s man’s equivalent of the little black dress. You can wear it to a wedding, funeral, job interview, business meeting, out on the town, pretty much anywhere. Second is a navy suit. A black suit is much further down the list than you’d expect, it really has to be done right or it looks cheap. Third I’d recommend some sort of summer suit, be it seersucker, cotton or linen. The benefit of summer suits is that they’re comparatively inexpensive and you can have a lot of fun during wedding season in a lighter suit. Plus you won’t sweat as much in the heat.

    -CH only got it half right on pleats. Reverse pleats are the shit and don’t give the impression that you’re wearing a diaper.

    -Invest in good leather shoes. If you take care of them (alternate solid and liquid polishes, keep them in cedar shoe trees when you aren’t wearing them) and don’t wear them on back-to-back days, they’ll last you damn near forever, provided you get them resoled when needed. Once you can see the cork wearing through you’d better act fast, you don’t want it getting worn down. Think of the leather on the bottom of your shoes as brake pads and the cork underneath it as the rotors. Much, much cheaper to stay on top of things and just change break pads, where if you’re careless and lazy and let the rotors get worn down on your car, you mechanic slaps you with a much larger bill.

    -We Americans fuck up weddings all the time. Black tie is about the way different textures reflect light at night. If you get married (probably not an appealing proposition for readers of this blog), don’t wear a tux if your ceremony is at 2:00 PM.

    -With the exception of wool suits where you don’t want to cut corners on quality, the right watch, the right shoes, the right sunglasses and the right belt will make very basic outfit look great. If you’re dressing yourself on a budget, watches, shoes and belts are smart places to invest and they last longer than pants and shirts.

    -Never wear sandals outside the beach or a locker room where you may pick up warts going barefoot in the shower. You’ve got deck shoes, canvas sneakers, driving moccasins, white bucks and a whole slew of other summer footwear to choose from.

    -Go shopping alone. Women don’t know half as much as many men think about men’s clothing.

    -There are a lot good things to be said about cheap sunglasses. Why name brand designers insist on slapping their logo on their goods, and in the case of Ray Ban, even etching it on one of the lenses, is beyond me. The $15 wayfarers at Urban Outfitters look better. They won’t last as long, but its not like you can’t afford to replace them.

    -The general rule is to match your socks to your pants, not your shoes. This makes your legs look longer and as a result, makes you look taller.

    -Don’t wear golf shirts if you aren’t golfing. The sleeves on golf shirts often come down to your elbow. The sleeves on a polo shirt should break above your bicep, which is much more flattering. The exception is, if you’re a big, huge, massive fat guy and golf shirts fit you like polo shirts, then by all means wear ’em.

    -Don’t wear a soft collared shirt (golf or polo) with a sport coat. The collar won’t keep its shape and will look out of place against the jacket.

    -Try to match the width of your shoes to the width of your pant leg openings. Narrow shoes with wide pant legs make your feet look tiny. Never a good stereotype to play into.

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  131. on June 5, 2010 at 2:45 am RF Interference

    @Anonymouses Anonymous

    “Shirts: Never wear a short sleeved button down. Power men with power jobs do not wear them, and wearing short sleeves sends the signal that you have a cubicle and not a corner office. Never wear short sleeves to work. They tell your boss he has you where he wants you.”

    I wouldn’t wear one to work, but I wouldn’t say never, either. Cuff the sleeves and make sure the cuffs rest above the bicep and you avoid the risk of being mistaken for a NASA engineer from the fifties.

    An example…

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  132. on June 5, 2010 at 3:04 am RF Interference

    Oh, and best jeans, dollar for dollar, as long as your thighs aren’t too wide: Gap Selvage Straight Fit Jeans (Rigid Rinse) $90! They’re made in China and not Japan, hence the discount. I love telling people when asked that they’re from the Gap. Cracks me and whomever is asking up every time.

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  133. on June 5, 2010 at 4:09 am NewAlpha

    It’s all in the details – whatever you wear, putting the clothes on is half the battle – the other half are the finishing touches, however minute or seemingly insignificant – a ring, leather bracelet/watch, necklace, whatever.

    Of course, props like clothes just serve to reflect the personality, so give one of your (cool!) hot female friends a call, and have her come over and give you tips for your own personal twist. It will, odds are, be far better suited to the local style and climate than any advice you get here.

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  134. on June 5, 2010 at 4:37 am nupinup

    > short sleeve shirts are fine as long as you follow the rules i outlined in the post, specifically make sure the sleeve is fitted around your bicep.

    Never, ever, ever wear short sleeve shirts with a suit (in fact, I’ll shoot you if you wear one with a tie). These are STRICTLY limited to be worn with shorts. If you want short sleeves with pants, use a polo shirt.

    As for suits, anything below decent Super 120 pure wool fabric is a waste of money. I’ll have to hand it to the Italians, they make hands down the best fabric out there. Cerrutti and Vitale Barberis are very nice and if you really got the cash, Loro Piana.

    I hate pin stripes but that’s a personal thing I believe. I also rarely ever wear navy.

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  135. on June 5, 2010 at 4:42 am ahappinessexperiment

    coke game worked for me tonight. got an 8 and the only neg i had to use was: ur a coke whore, aren’t you?

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  136. on June 5, 2010 at 5:02 am Paul

    Don’t forget however, the importance of dress in contrast game. Dressing like an herb then exhibiting alpha game definitely gets the tingle going.

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  137. on June 5, 2010 at 5:40 am ahappinessexperiment

    will spend the weekend playing bowerbird game. perhaps after sartorial game, we need a post on bowerbird game. the crib matters, right?

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  138. on June 5, 2010 at 6:56 am applier

    R: ” why make pickup harder than need be? ”

    Why read books when u can read comics?

    Because of the training it gives.. I dress like a bum and wear these in bars:

    But when i succeed i know that my mind is on the right track.

    Anyway, this was the best blog post on male fashion i have read so far. Useful and simple.

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  139. on June 5, 2010 at 8:03 am Nepenthe

    Regarding jackets: two vents is risky, if you have rustic thighs (=a big ass) it’s really going to emphasise it. Three buttons is also a lot harder to get to fit well, so newbs should probably stick to two initially.

    As a (slowly reforming) “plus sized” guy, I’ll echo what Wtcantfw said above about emphasising mass over unsightly bulges. That said, my clothes are pretty much in the CH-specified level of billowiness. Also think that if you need to go with shorts, cargo shorts might be a (relatively) better alternative for us.

    Accessories… I have no idea how much a watch matters to women, I’m inclined to think guys overemphasise it. Still, for some reason, a nice watch seems to boost my own confidence, so I like to use one. For “grad student game” (making less than if unemployed), check out the Swatch Irony series. They got some smallish/medium sized chronographs that look pretty sweet, are dirt-cheap. I guess a fake might “work” as well, but I’d personally rather not :/

    Occasionally wear the pinky ring with the family crest. Guess having a family crest in the first place is a big enough DHV to wipe out the relative unmasculinity of the pinky ring. Also thin gold chain with a bunch of small good-luck charms (~cross, St. Athony, Greek anti-evil eye “blue eye”)… can always talk about those if conversation seems to run dry (each one’s a story, y’know)

    Oh, and Birkenstocks. I got some. I wear them at home and hide them when I expect non-long term female companionship. 😛

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  140. on June 5, 2010 at 9:33 am SGOTI

    Buy QUALITY. Even if you only have a few things, buy the good stuff. It’s expensive, but far cheaper. You’ll know what I mean.

    Suits- Only dorky guys in DC struggle through the summer in a dark navy or charcoal suit. Get some poplin or even seersucker or two. You can dress it up or down depending. Hell, I’ve showed up wearing leather flip flops and a poplin suit for a bit of shock value.

    And flip flops. Damn fellas, get your women to take care of your feet if you have to. Decent flip flops, four pairs: “dress” black/brown, casual of each. Reefs, Sanuks, etc. None of this shower shoe shit either. And Birkenstocks (and Tevas) are reserved for some Saudi ass shit where they depeditate you (or whatever is cutting off the feet) in the town square for crimes against humanity.

    Socks- Contrasting socks work, and can be a great accessory. Sat down for a drink after work on a low leather couch, pants came up, and I was sporting a pair of cashmere blend lavender wool socks. Conversation ensued. Ditch the socks completely come Memorial Day (for you up north).

    Accessories should be limited to a complementary pocket square and some cuff stuff.

    Cuffs- ALWAYS show some cuff. Always. If your sleeve of your coat goes to the end of your shirt you like a dour undertaker. Dean Martin showed 1/2″+. Around 1/4″ is good enough for me. Get a tailor. Get some silk knots (six diff. colors) as well as cufflinks.

    No pleats. Ever.

    Jeans- You can get everything else off the rack tailored, don’t be afraid.

    Even as a Southron, bowties are ghey as a french horn.

    Men don’t wear jewelry.

    Man you guys hate on khakis, but a decent pair, some driving mocs, Argentine polo belt and good shirt are a fine uniform for casual workdays (start your on business and every day can be).

    T-shirts under shirts. If you must, they have this amazing new development called “v-neck technology”. And please, no undershirt under polos or linen shirts. Ever.

    Shirts. Wish I was a skinny little shit sometimes, but tight shirts don’t work for my shoulders.

    Shorts are cool, but not ones that retarded, bulky ones that look like you are prepping for combat. Unless you actually wore the pants in combat, then turning them into shorts is OK.

    Vests are for hanging grenades and aid pouches only.

    Hats are for balding guys trying to hide it. Sports teams are *occasionally* OK.

    One leather band, one *smaller* dive/sports watch. Unless you are actualy down trying to fix the BP oil well, spare me the enormous watches with a Swiss Army knife on them. And Rolexes make you look like an Asian pimp, especially two-tone.

    And finally: Somebody mentioned Don Draper. That guy could get more ass than a frigging public toilet seat. Imitation, sincerest form of flattery, lather, rinse, repeat.

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  141. on June 5, 2010 at 11:12 am gig

    Fit is everything.

    You can’t understate that

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  142. on June 5, 2010 at 11:32 am PA

    Flip flops, if you’re not at the beach or in a beach/tropic-culture, are herbish.

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  143. on June 5, 2010 at 11:39 am Madras

    Hey CR, can you make a setting where people can’t post youtubes to the comments. They almost NEVER add anything good to the convo.

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  144. on June 5, 2010 at 11:58 am anoukange

    “I bought my last hat from a sidewalk vendor who looked like he was not running his business with the appropriate licenses,…”

    –one of the best nuggets of advice in the post. I join you in this. Also, a fantastic source of original and cool finds? See: Hell’s Kitchen flea market @ west 39th St. between 9th and 10th Ave. Open on both Saturday and Sunday from 9-6pm. Great food too. In DC? See: Annie Creamcheese in G-town.

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  145. on June 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm anoukange

    SD–

    “Although I’m a big Charlie Sheen fan….”

    –our friendship is over.

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  146. on June 5, 2010 at 12:19 pm Badger Nation

    “Hey CR, can you make a setting where people can’t post youtubes to the comments. They almost NEVER add anything good to the convo.”

    I disagree. Posts by GBFM almost never add to the discussion, but the posts re: Swingers, Robbie Williams and Liz Phair have been great for the threads.

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  147. on June 5, 2010 at 12:32 pm nupinup

    > Only dorky guys in DC struggle through the summer in a dark navy or charcoal suit. Get some poplin or even seersucker or two.

    It has the word sucker in it for a reason. And poplin is for shirts, not suits.

    I agree on the khakis though. By far my favorite to go to work (hint: they exist in non baggy as well). Plus the newer Dockers are totally iron free (but stay away from most of the designer ones, they crinkle like hell).

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  148. on June 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm Seth

    @GBFM:

    Eminem fan huh? Sweet… but just so ya know very few white boys can get away with dressing like Em. I’m saying this as a lifelong Detroit resident . . . there is nothing lower on the totem pole than a wigger. Dress like that if you wanna pick up skanky hoodrats… You are better off dressing like the suburban blacks – next to teh gehys they have the best sense of style.

    @ch:

    Great advice… but I really disagree with you on the light colored jeans.

    I have a pair of these:

    http://us.levi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3935080&cp=3146842.3146844.3692028.3692029

    And they go great with these:

    Overall it’s important to find what works with your body and personality. I never wear bright colors because it just doesn’t mesh with my laid back demeanor and skin tone, but for people who can get away with dressing more flashy definitely go for it – you will attract a lot of attention.

    But whatever you do this summer, please PLEASE don’t sport this look:

    http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/products/5/optimized/717965_fpx.tif?bgc=255,255,255&wid=327&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg

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  149. on June 5, 2010 at 12:45 pm john

    “Earrungs. Are you gay?” Here here! WTF is it with guys having earrings?? It is the stupidest thing I evuh did see!! I think this breaks down along racial lines:white guys do not like earrings,other groups,cept da Chineze,do.

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  150. on June 5, 2010 at 1:06 pm youse

    if you post a fucking youtube video, have it be relevant and actually worthwhile. FUCK!!!!

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  151. on June 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Accessory Tip: Don’t forget that Pimp-stick fellas.

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  152. on June 5, 2010 at 1:21 pm gig

    However much it repulses our sense of cosmic harmony, we’ve all seen guys like this with cute chicks (note: he was not gay):

    dude, a guy can’t be having a good time with those two and not be, at least, bissexual.

    the guy on the left has been fucked doggie-style so many times before that his back is even arched, looking like a woman’s back.

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  153. on June 5, 2010 at 1:27 pm Seth

    “Man you guys hate on khakis, but a decent pair, some driving mocs, Argentine polo belt and good shirt are a fine uniform for casual workdays (start your on business and every day can be).”

    I don’t know why, but for some reason non-pleated khakis look great on 32″ waists or less.

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  154. on June 5, 2010 at 1:37 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    On a slightly more serious note, I am here to share some thoughts on shorts/legs for men.

    As a guy who haunts Tampa, and travels over to the middle east, you will wear shorts. Allot. There is no avoiding this, unless you like swamp-ass. That is when your entire backside and gouche are swamped in sweat because of the heat. It is disgusting.

    The most important thing you need to do, before donning shorts, is to look at your legs in the mirror. Compare them to properly developed physiques. If you never work the legs other than “running”, or hardly hit them – or if really unlucky you just have shitty genetics, you will need to emphasize them in your workout routine.

    I’m not just talking squats (although ass-to-grass full squats play a part in most guys with developed legs); you will need to target certain muscle groups. Otherwise you’ll look like a fuck stick with chicken legs, no matter how big your chesticles and guns are. The light bulb look is laughable.

    Learn about the quads here.

    When you have a well developed set of quads, a nice Vastus Medialis muscle poking out of your shorts, you’ll be able to wear just about any pair of shorts and look good, except those stupid fucking over-sized shorts that thugs wear.

    Next time you catch Jurassic Park on cable, notice the safari hunter guy. He’s wearing short khaki safari shorts, and rocks them because he has a set of man legs. The girl watching the movie with me the other week noticed this right away, saying the guy has some “sexy legs”. She was 23, the guy playing the part was in his 40’s.

    Now, don’t go running around D.C. in safari getup. But if you are like me, in places with near 100 degree heat+humidity, you should get a good pair of shorts that are not cargo shorts and show off the legs. If you are really furry, well, better do something about it unless you just pull off caveman game.

    Ladies agree: guys with well developed legs are given a pass for shorts more than chicken legs. Plus it indicates your health, strength and heightens a v-taper torso.

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  155. on June 5, 2010 at 1:40 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Oh, and tan them legs.

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  156. on June 5, 2010 at 1:44 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I’ll echo the posters who wrote about cheap sunglasses. While the best styles usually are expensive. Basic aviators shouldn’t cost a fortune. The pair I have with me in Italy, I purchased last year in Cairo for 15 Egyptian pounds. Chicks compliment them a lot and I get the added DHV of name dropping Cairo as the place of purchase.

    Pleats: Only with double breasted suits.

    Light colored jeans are fine, but unless you know style, you’ll probably fuck it up, so stick to dark until you get your act together.

    And a final bit of behavioral psychology. Shop for clothes when you’re in a bad mood. If you like it when you’re in a bad mood, chances are it looks damn good. Too many people shop in a good mood and end up buying shit they never wear.

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  157. on June 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm editor

    peacocking is important and all that. but I overlook some things well meaning men do to impress women…like maybe he wants to look great just for himself in that strange fitting tie and odd looking jacket. either way he got my attention.

    maybe. guys, dress fit to kill and it does not cost that much money. men have the advantage in shopping that we do not. your clothes are more affordable, so dont be such a cheap skate and look great!

    we think its HHHHOOOOOOOTTTTTT!

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  158. on June 5, 2010 at 2:41 pm nupinup

    > Shop for clothes when you’re in a bad mood.

    Oh that’s easy, I always am in a bad mood when I shop for clothes. It’s causing by the act of shopping for clothes. I universally despise the staff at clothing stores.

    These days, I order most stuff online – cheaper and by far quicker. I know which shirts fit me (I only ever buy one brand anyhow) and they cost a little over half the price online. I’ve done the same with shoes (although there I suggest you buy the first pair in store, then get the same last online) and even with custom suits but only after verifying that the old ones still fit me a-ok.

    Having said that, I want a new leather jacket and for my life can’t find a good one. Also need a bunch of new sneakers.

    And for those of you in an LTR: NEVER listen to the girl (and not for reasons of dominance). They invariably want to sell you on badly fitting stuff – I presume it’s to limit competition.

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  159. on June 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm Gorbachev

    @nupinup

    And for those of you in an LTR: NEVER listen to the girl (and not for reasons of dominance). They invariably want to sell you on badly fitting stuff – I presume it’s to limit competition.

    This is true. I don’t know why; at first, their judgment is good; then goes into the toilet. They start to dress you like a Beta. Really, it’s observable. I’ve noticed it in every LTR.

    I don’t know if it’s conscious. Are they drawing down the sexual attraction because they’re more comfortable? Or do they desire comfort more?

    Anyway, ignore them.

    Have a very close female friend to go shopping with you. That works a treat for me.

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  160. on June 5, 2010 at 3:48 pm Drib

    As to what type of shoe to wear with shorts? It kind of depends on the type of shorts in my mind. If you aint wearing sneakers I always found the best thing to wear is a manly looking hiking or construction boot. Not those two colored day hiker boots. They come off too hippie like. The steel toed black or brown leather hiking/construction boot screams masculinity. You are ready to hike into the wilderness with your lady, build a cabin and fight off indians. In urban areas that mountain man mystique can go a long way. It CAN look kind of “Grunge era”, depending on how you carry it off. But it has always worked for me. Especially if you have on some military style shorts (no camo). Actually, I like military surplus items in the summertime. They are inexpensive and very masculine. You just have to be careful. Wearing too much of that stuff, especially at the same time makes you look like a conspiracy minded militia nut who watches way too much of the military channel.

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  161. on June 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    As to what type of shoe to wear with shorts?

    With jorts? Reebok High Tops, Kiss T-shirt and of course a mullet. Don’t forget the mullet.

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  162. on June 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm Racer X

    I like to wear a purple jump suit with a yellow purse. Gets the babes all the time.

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  163. on June 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm Jay

    What are your thoughts on glasses? (Not sunglasses)

    I look better with them. For the past 3 years I’d been using contacts but I’ve gotten a lot of compliments about my glasses.

    I don’t look like a nerd, which helps.

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  164. on June 5, 2010 at 4:41 pm ahappinessexperiment

    I don’t know much but I do know this: Bogota is a great place to buy a suit. It is also a lot safer these days than people realize and the women are beautiful. You better know how to salsa dance tho.

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  165. on June 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm Racer X

    And has anyone heard from my beloved Clio? Tupac? You out there?

    There is only one Clio…no one can replace her. How she still needs to be transformed erotically by Racer X.

    My darling Clio…flee your nuptials…and find true ecstatic pleasures in my arms.

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  166. on June 5, 2010 at 5:39 pm Jesus

    Never wear a white shirt under an unbuttoned button down shirt.

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  167. on June 5, 2010 at 5:44 pm old guy

    Best fashion accessory: Walther PPK in a Galco Executive shoulder holster.

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  168. on June 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm kaikou

    All the white guys I know sport the earrings.

    And that guy in the first Jurrasic Park is a hottie, age doesn’t matter when you look that good.

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  169. on June 5, 2010 at 7:36 pm Gotzon

    So no one mentioned suspenders? They’re very male-ish, especially those that makes an Y on the back.

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  170. on June 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm greatbooksformen

    hey i was thinking that pimps are more honests than minsiters in churches because a minister will marry you to the kind of whore where you have tgo go on paying for past use of her pussy which other men are now banging and you are funding lzozlzozlzlzl whereas no pimp would ever do that the w ould not come back and make you pay for a pussy that is banging other men so let me know when churches get pimps as monisters and i swear 2 jesus i wills startt going to churchez lzozlzlzlzlz

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  171. on June 5, 2010 at 9:06 pm Omega Dork

    Man, this thread is ghey.

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  172. on June 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm Badger Nation

    “Have a very close female friend to go shopping with you. That works a treat for me.”

    Gotta be a mature female friend you trust, who either wants to get you laid, or wants to lay you herself, so she is incentivized to dress you well and not like a projection project.

    You can also field test on the spot; I seem to recall Neil Strauss went to the store and ran game on women in the store to figure out which clothes were effective.

    What you DON’T want is the sartorial equivalent of female dating advice, which is almost always pedestalizing and wrong. Be careful of a woman in an LTR, she may use your wardrobe to make up for flaws she is starting to find annoying in her boyfriend.

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  173. on June 5, 2010 at 9:32 pm chic noir

    This is how a real man wears a suit.

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  174. on June 5, 2010 at 9:34 pm chic noir

    http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com/2010/05/on-streetback-in-milano.html

    opps

    He is missing much of his hair but look at how he “rocks”

    that suit.

    *chic noir uses “join the marines voice”*

    Stand tall beta, reflect confidence,& look like a man of authority.

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  175. on June 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    I feel like I’m reading CH Wars, where the first three episodes — i.e., incredibly remedial advice — are presented after the more advanced stuff.

    Who is the target audience here?

    This stuff is written without so much as a sop to men of different body types, complexions, etc., which means that it is either (a) meaningless or (b) so elementary that it must be aimed at men who can barely dress themselves without a helping hand.

    Hint:
    Short guys can’t pull off the same clothes as tall guys.
    White guys can’t pull off the same clothes as black guys.
    Skinny guys can’t pull off the same clothes as built guys.
    Etc.
    This goes double for accessories.

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  176. on June 5, 2010 at 9:47 pm LILGRL

    hummm this advice is so general. different guys can pull off different things. for example, i hate hate hate hipster-skinny-jeans and ties-with-t-shirts, but i’ll admit that there is a subset of homies who can totally rock the look.

    i, personally, find the jock/frat-boy look sexiest. i dislike anything try-hard on a guy. save for suits. who doesn’t like suits?

    sexy:
    plain semi-tight t-shirts
    jeans
    pants that are not too tight (please err on the side of too baggy)
    sneakers
    nice dress shoes with normal toes
    baseball caps
    cargo shorts
    football jerseys/college athletic wear
    tight-ish polos (pink is fine)
    dark dress shirt and tie
    suits
    new rock boots hahahaha

    not sexy:
    tight pants
    ties with t-shirts
    most jewelry
    short-sleeved button-downs
    chuck taylors
    hipster glasses
    affliction t-shirts
    short shorts
    most hats that are not baseball caps
    true religion jeans
    rhinestones
    glitter
    anything sparkly

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  177. on June 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm rebelliousvanilla

    This made me recall what a friend experienced. He had this job interview so he asked me to go shopping with him to get a suit. I sighed realizing that he will keep me on a budget, but I agreed nonetheless. Anyway, I’ve got him a fairly sick pinstripe suit, shirt, tie and shoes that go well together(I have a thing for suits, for some reason, I find them fascinating. One of the things I’ll love about being a wife is buying suits for my husband – yes, I’m insane). Sadly, he wasn’t comfortable enough to go for what I would have picked initially, so I toned it down a bit. It was funny because he called me the evening after the interview and he said that girls noticed him on the way to the interview – one of them actually told her friend that she’s looking at him and he overheard her. I was about to tell her that nobody looks at men who wear baggy shorts that go under the knee and tshirts that are boring and usually not match, but I decided to not be cruel. To be honest, I really don’t get why men not understand that how they dress matters. Heck, it matters more than how you actually look like, unless you have a deformed face or you’re morbidly obese.

    Most men could look two-three times better if they actually bothered. Anyway, I agree with what was said in the blog post, except jeans with holes. I don’t really care about American fashion since nothing interesting ever happens there(Abercrombie and Fitch isn’t interesting; and no, neither is Hollister), but at least around here jeans with holes are ok. But it depends on the type of them.

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  178. on June 6, 2010 at 12:05 am Grampa

    rebelliousvanilla: I believe it was Casanova who, upon being asked the secret of his success with women by a younger man, gave this advice:

    “Seduce one woman and let her buy your clothes for you. Then, you can have as many women as you want.”

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  179. on June 6, 2010 at 12:07 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @RF Interference
    That LLBean guy looks like a dork. He’s got the lumberjack/cubicle look down pat. The only thing he pulls off is facial hair and model body. He could probably make sack cloth look decent.

    Instead of short sleeves, roll the cuffs to the elbow. That gives the look of, “I am the boss, but I can get into the thick of work if there is a need.”

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  180. on June 6, 2010 at 12:10 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @RF Interference
    THe LLBean guy sitting looks like he is thinking, “I don’t know why I can’t go hunting with the guys. I got my flannel shirt on. But, at least I can carve decoys for them. If I do a good enough job, maybe they will let me chase the ducks if the dog gets sick.”

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  181. on June 6, 2010 at 1:07 am Word Around the Campfire – the Man Who Couldn’t Cry edition « Hidden Leaves

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  182. on June 6, 2010 at 1:53 am bcmitb

    @Anonymouses Anonymous

    Totally. The first thing that comes to mind when I think of cubicle jockey is madras. You’ve been right the whole time. I’d better not wear a short sleeved button up in case I cross paths with my boss at Rib Fest at 2 PM on a Sunday in July because then he’ll know “he owns me” and I probably can’t “get into the thick of work if there is a need”.

    Seriously though, nice work confusing an Indian (red dot, not feather) pattern with plaid flannel. You cross paths with a lot of lumberjacks from Chennai?

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  183. on June 6, 2010 at 3:22 am El Guapo

    Fit is definitely key. I used to wear baggy shirts, but lately been paying more attention to more fitted shirts.

    Those guys in the pic look pretty gay.

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  184. on June 6, 2010 at 3:43 am ahappinessexperiment

    One subtlety Game theory seems to miss at present is that guys r never really intimidated by girls. They r intimidated by other men only. When a girl rejects u what does it look like? Their eyes mirror the image of a thousand other men thry prefer. Men sort out their peckimg order and women more or less abide by it. In a society where rape is frowned on women have some veto power but that is all. Women dont choose. Men choose and women veto. Humans r more like gorillas than peacocks.

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  185. on June 6, 2010 at 3:59 am ahappinessexperiment

    it is interesting that when men choose their own pecking order one thing we take in great consideration is other men’s looks. and ability to dress, which dawkins calls an exogeneous phenotype. we must be interested in the continuation of the tribe and related genes in addition to our interest in passing on our genes directly.

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  186. on June 6, 2010 at 4:32 am ahappinessexperiment

    i once asked a middle aged englishman why they hated the french so much. he confided that he personally hated them because when he was was in school the french would go on vacation and shag all the hot english girls.

    after that it hit me that sexual competition is at the heart of all racism. i write this while in a bar watching a black man play pool with a hot white girl. im not a racist, i would like to believe, but i become one when i think of any other tribe shagging the female members of mine.

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  187. on June 6, 2010 at 4:50 am Powers

    1. A don doesn’t wear shorts.

    2. Actually you should prefer 2 vents for many good reasons. Check out Flusser’s books.

    3. My readings indicate that facial symmetry isn’t too important for men’s looks.

    4. Ties without jackets make you look like a waiter.

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  188. on June 6, 2010 at 5:05 am Anonymous

    You guys all seem to have a lot of knowledge on this stuff. One thing I’ve always had trouble with is Buying t shirts. I hated the trendy ones but I don’t know where to shop for plain good shirts. So far the best I’ve managed are plain polos, American apparel, and obey shirts. Any recs? Also what are some good print catalogs I can subscribe too…ie j crew, vineyard vines, etc.

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  189. on June 6, 2010 at 5:25 am Cannon's Canon

    My readings indicate that facial symmetry isn’t too important for men’s looks.

    an asymmetrical scar is a boon

    a droopy eye is a spittoon

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  190. on June 6, 2010 at 6:19 am Dat_Truth_Hurts

    My readings indicate that facial symmetry isn’t too important for men’s looks.

    an asymmetrical scar is a boon

    a droopy eye is a spittoon

    As with everything that can handicap you – just up your game. Get a sharp suit, the right accessories, good posture and the right attitude.

    Hell, I got one ear that is pointy for Gods sake. I’m also losing my hair. But I’m fit, know how to dress, walk and talk like a man. And use lots of game. I’m getting laid more now that when I was 20, had awesome hair and was in a band (35 years old now).

    When I get out of the military, I’m growing my stubble in, getting a new band together and then I’m going to be un-fucking-stoppable. Sure 9’s and 10’s will pass me up. But I’ll be slinging the pipe to allot more 7’s and 8’s. And some 9’s if the band is any fucking good.

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  191. on June 6, 2010 at 6:46 am Cannon's Canon

    Hell, I got one ear that is pointy for Gods sake. I’m also losing my hair.

    holy turds! why don’t you just inject yourself with autistic gigantism syndrome and game away on these bitches with your push-ups and pocket squares!

    but i am being an asshole here for no reason.

    obviously, classifiable freaks are in for a world of solitude. same as short men.

    makes being ‘in-shape’ and ‘well-dressed’ seem trivial!

    there is no excuse for not being in-shape and well-dressed, for anyone at any age.

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  192. on June 6, 2010 at 7:01 am Cannon's Canon

    hahhaha, yeah i said it

    there is no excuse for not being in-shape and well-dressed, for anyone at any age.

    imagine a feminist giving this advice to anyone, ever!!!

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  193. on June 6, 2010 at 7:09 am Lavazza

    I think the advice about anything but the fit is really local or even subcultural. I once saw a funny page where a gay guy had put up the choice “Gay or Eurotrash?” The normal European straight style seems to be considered gay or metrosexual in the States.

    http://www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/gaydar.html

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  194. on June 6, 2010 at 7:47 am Lavazza

    I like the Swiss Strellson brand.

    http://www.strellson.com/en/612-Philosophy-Brand

    I don’t think it would work in the States, though.

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  195. on June 6, 2010 at 10:55 am Paul

    Agree with Lavazza above. Pretty much every guy here in southern Germany wears a scarf in the winter. However the average woman here is above +2 over the average American woman so the guys don’t suffer too much.

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  196. on June 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    @LILGRL

    sexy:
    plain semi-tight t-shirts
    jeans
    pants that are not too tight (please err on the side of too baggy)
    sneakers
    nice dress shoes with normal toes
    baseball caps
    cargo shorts
    football jerseys/college athletic wear
    tight-ish polos (pink is fine)
    dark dress shirt and tie
    suits
    new rock boots hahahaha

    not sexy:
    tight pants
    ties with t-shirts
    most jewelry
    short-sleeved button-downs
    chuck taylors
    hipster glasses
    affliction t-shirts
    short shorts
    most hats that are not baseball caps
    true religion jeans
    rhinestones
    glitter
    anything sparkly

    So you date high school boys? Your list is coated with shit sauce. Except Affliction shirts: those are douche-jerseys.

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  197. on June 6, 2010 at 2:18 pm gig

    The normal European straight style seems to be considered gay or metrosexual in the States.

    Dude, you really gave me then strongest argument ever to spend my vacation in Germany.

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  198. on June 6, 2010 at 2:22 pm nupinup

    lavazza: Strellson is like the lowest you can go in Central Europe. And honestly, even being Swiss, I would still go for decent Italian stuff by a long shot…

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  199. on June 6, 2010 at 3:03 pm Aunt Haley

    Great post. I agree that fit is the number one consideration in buying clothes.

    Men who think they can dress poorly yet feel entitled to an attractive girlfriend make me think of this scene from Clueless:

    For young men who are looking for top-of-the-line style cues, Twilight actor Taylor Lautner is not a bad celebrity to follow. He must have gotten a new stylist between the last Twilight movie and now, because he’s been dressing ten times more sophisticated than just a year ago.

    These photos demonstrate the importance of fit:
    2008: http://blogs.glam.com/glambuzz/files/2008/12/taylor_lautner.jpg
    2010: http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2455966/kristen-stewart-prabal-gurung-02/
    http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2455970/kristen-stewart-prabal-gurung-06/

    I’m sure all the suits are expensive, but the superior fit of the ones he’s been wearing in 2010 make all the difference between looking dressed up and looking completely put together.

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  200. on June 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm sdaedalus

    Taylor Lautner did in fairness get a whole new body between 2008 and 2010 to fill out the later suits nicely. But I agree that the 2008 suit was a disgrace. For an example of a skinny guy akin to Taylor in his natural state who wears very well tailored suits to complement his slim build, see Pete in Madmen. The early 60s cut looks great on a skinny guy, particularly if he is not that tall. All the Madmen guys (except for eejit with bowtie) are very good role models re. accessorising with suits, their casual wear is more dated though.

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  201. on June 6, 2010 at 4:54 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    @bcsmith
    A polo would be more appropriate there, than a buttoned dress shirt.

    If me, being more style savvy that the average office boss, would make the mistake of Indian for Tartan, rest assured many more are making the same mistake.

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  202. on June 6, 2010 at 5:11 pm Lavazza

    Here is a site for party pictures from Stockholm’s hot spots. I guess a fair amount of the half celebrities are gay, but many straight guys dress the same way, so I would guess that at least 70 per cent of the males in the pictures are straight.

    http://stureplan.se/bilder/nattklubb/sturecompagnietutecompagniet/2010/06/05

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  203. on June 6, 2010 at 7:16 pm sdaedalus

    I must say, I’m a little bit surprised nobody on here has mentioned the codpiece.

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  204. on June 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm Gunner

    What you do is you get a nice blazer or sport coat. You wear a shirt that fits well except for maybe the sleeves. You wear this shirt and you button it misaligned. Or if you can pull it off and you can pull it off, wear it inside out. It will still look good your profile will be unchanged, The markers of wealth and taste will be, but it will look not fussy and she will scrutinize you to figure out what is off. She will tell you. You will respond that you had to get dressed in a hurry. She will be intrigued but you will talk about anything but why.

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  205. on June 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm Gil

    Howz about some pictures showing us what the proper results should look like?

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  206. on June 6, 2010 at 11:01 pm TDurden

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  207. on June 7, 2010 at 1:14 am Philosopher

    SDaedalus,
    re: codpiece

    A large, cowboy-style belt buckle provides a modern, visual appearance similar to the codpiece. From a decorative jewelry point-of-view, they’re close.

    fyi: Loafers without socks are accepted in the very hot/ humid southeastern US – even with business casual.

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  208. on June 7, 2010 at 12:00 pm Christy

    If I were approached by a man wearing a black blazer with a black button-down and a purple tie, I’d ask him what Bar Mitzvah he was going to. Same with a tie and a t-shirt. Or red socks that “complemented” his red shirt — did your mom pick that out? Also, iridescent tees? Please. Next you’ll tell me that Ed Harvey and Affliction outfits turn women on.

    In the same vein, all shirts with slogans should leave your closet when you turn 20. Unless, maybe, it’s your college t-shirt that you wear to the gym. And that’s a definite maybe. One more tip: on real men, the longest shorts should go is to the knee or slightly above. NOT below, teenager.

    You’re shooting for the lowest (and by lowest, I mean lowest-class) common denominator here, apparently. A few of your tips (really, only the ones about fit) are useful. For any other man trying to pick up some legitimate adult style tips, get thee to a Trad forum, and fast.

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  209. on June 7, 2010 at 12:03 pm vanya

    “Ties are cool.”

    Really? I am surprised to hear that. I suppose it depends on the outfit, but ties can send the message you’re a junior guy – or work at a rental car desk. In the business world PE and hedge fund guys NEVER wear ties, and the bankers and lawyers who need to suck up to them do.

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  210. on June 7, 2010 at 1:31 pm Dally

    If rule number one is wear stuff that fits, then rule number two needs to be NEVER LISTEN TO WOMEN FOR FASHION ADVICE. Anyone who understands how horribly wrong they were steered by dating advice from women, will understand this rule. Looking at the little girls in these comments trying to tell men how to dress is laughable. Especially LiL Girl, whose “Sexy” list perfectly describes the typical asian american herb douche conformist weakling.

    Now, on hats, this bullshit about hats only being for men who are balding and trying to hide it is ridiculous. There are many great reasons to wear hats. Only conformist douchebags (betas and omegas) wear sports team ball caps, and only spineless shits think that any hat besides the ball cap is “unusual and affected”.

    Were all the manly looking guys throughout history, all the way up till about 35 years ago, who would not be caught dead in public without a fedora, trying to hide bald spots?

    Another point for you shitheads with full heads of hair – men wear hats to prevent sunburn and skin cancer on their heads, you fuckwits, not to try and “hide” balding. Real men don’t give a good god damn if you retards see that they are balding.

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  211. on June 7, 2010 at 5:23 pm Lily

    On shirts with short sleeves, agreed no flappy ones, nothing worse than a 40+ man wearing a short sleeved ‘work shirt’.

    Socks, if you’re wearing a suit get long ones, nothing worse than a man crossing his legs and exposing a load of hairy leg.

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  212. on June 7, 2010 at 6:18 pm Firepower

    aha…

    So even though they’re the same person, the Swingers Vince Vaughn can spit game in haberdashed-splendor – justt not the current fat Vince Vaughn.

    got it.

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  213. on June 7, 2010 at 6:27 pm Firepower

    Game.

    The Great Leveler.
    If you’re young, handsome, rich, tall and famous.
    Look like Ashton… but act like Bruce.

    If only I’d discovered this before Mystery – I’d a made a billion bucks – then, with that stash…I’d really show ya’ll some Game.

    SRSLY

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  214. on June 8, 2010 at 12:17 am Rolling Backpacks

    That rss feature on your blog here is magnificent, you should tell more folks about it in your upcoming post. I haven’t noted it for the first couple of times, now I’m using it each morning to check on any updates. I’m on a very slow dial-up link in Jakarta and it’s quite frustrating to sit there and wait for such a long time ’til the page loads… but hey, I just found your rss page and added it to the Google Reader and there you are… I’m always up-to-date! Well pal, keep up the good work and make that rss button a little bigger so that other people can enjoy that as well 😛
    00:17

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  215. on June 8, 2010 at 2:20 am rebelliousvanilla

    ahappinessexperiment, it’s obvious that men choose who is alpha and women just flock to those men. I had quite an epiphany related to this and it kind of sucked. But it’s a numbers game related to this. And white men don’t care about passing on their genes and preserving their tribe. I mean, 90%+ of them said they don’t mind interracial marriage. Men choose their pecking order for another reason than the passage of related genes. That’s the evolutionary reason of altruism, but that’s about it. I agree though that sexual competition is part of the reasons of racism and I have an anectode for your middle aged Englishman. I was with a friend at a cafe at the sea and a French dude was asking him Romanian words. And when he asked him how do you say sweet things to girls like I love you, my friend told him curse words and instead of I love you he told him “slut, suck my dick”. I asked him why he did that and he said that screw French men who want to shag Romanian women.

    Lavazza, besides the fruitcakes, European men dress a lot better. It’s not even a comparison to be made. It’s funny, but in my country half of the people are awfully dressed and some are well dressed. A lot of people in my country go to clubs for the music and to have fun though, not to get sluts to bone. For example, I never went to a club to get laid and guys who hit on me in clubs are ruled out from the beginning from mating opportunities unless they build it up from there by hanging out in different places.

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  216. on June 8, 2010 at 11:48 am Contrast Is King: Identity Inversion « Citizen Renegade

    […] June 8, 2010 by Chateau This post is a follow-up to my original Contrast is King post, and serves as an adjunct to my fashion post. […]

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  217. on June 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm Doug1

    Rebelliousvanilla–

    There’s interracial marriage and then there’s black/white interracial marriage or sex.

    I think men are lying when they say they don’t mind black male white female interracial marriage. They act like they do in who they choose to marry. Girls that have gone black a lot tend to get shunned by white guys for marriage, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

    Asian/white interracial marriage is a signficantly different thing. There’s not the same regression to the mean threat and IQ group IQ difference. Most importantly there’s not the same black racial hostility and black coloring dominance which means that all black white interracial marriages end up certainly by a few years into school with the kid being considered black by his classmates and teachers and at least half his grandparents, with the other half pressured to go along, and a great deal of society support for one side only of the union, the black side, as automatically right and to be pandered to.

    NO THANK YOU. Not a chance.

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  218. on June 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm Doug1

    As well Asians and whites are just inherently far more compatable in many ways than blacks and whites. That’s a girls taboo sexual thrill only, purchased at a terrible cost.

    And screw the lefty propagandists in the media and schools and universities and everyday life that wish to make what I said utterly taboo. I spit on you.

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  219. on June 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm D Foxtrot

    Naw bros, this list is all wrong.

    Go with flip flops, basketball shorts, and a grey T-shirt.

    Depending on your mood or the weather, black aviators.

    Works best at weddings, funerals, or in a corporate environment.

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  220. on June 14, 2010 at 5:46 pm LILGRL

    So you date high school boys? Your list is coated with shit sauce. Except Affliction shirts: those are douche-jerseys.

    So you wear glittery, rhinestoned True Religion jeans? Hahahahahahahahaha no thanks

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  221. on July 28, 2010 at 1:19 am wathit

    Fedora Hat For Men

    A Eager Quality For That Jaunty Happen!
    Do you expect to seem full when you go out?
    Do you assonant that coolheaded, snappy ornamentation endorsement?

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