The “man” in this story could qualify for Beta of the Year:
It started with one text message: She just wanted to know why he was skipping her class.
But P.E. teacher Michele Taylor’s alleged relationship with a 17-year-old student at East Valley High School escalated quickly after that. From a stolen kiss in her office to sex in the backseat of her husband’s truck in the parking lot behind a Yakima Kmart.
This kid is a natural player. Skipping class = takeaway. Women can’t resist an underage boy playing hard to get.
It all began last March with that first message. Taylor was a mother of triplets and married to Kevin, also a P.E. teacher at East Valley.
Her alleged romantic interest was only 16-years-old when the flirtation started. Over the course of four months, he told a Yakima jury yesterday, he exchanged over 400 text messages with Taylor, some of which were explicit.
Michele Taylor is another one of these hot for teacher blonde cuties betraying her beta hubby to lay with her teen boy students. We’ve had a rash of them in this country lately. Reasonable minds might wonder what is going on. I have a couple of theories. Husbands are more beta than ever, turning off their wives so completely that the deprived dears seek that lost tingly feeling in the nearest devil-may-care cock. And teen boys are carelessly devil-may-care. Another possibility: a subset of teen boys are learning game at a much earlier age than past generations of men, and they are capitalizing on alpha-starved older women. Maybe the use-em-and-lose-em, pimps up hos down player mentality zeitgeist is percolating down into high schools and junior high.
One night the boy was hanging out with his girlfriend when he got a text asking him to meet Taylor at Kmart. “I knew pretty much what was going to happen,” the boy said in testimony reported by the Yakima Herald-Republic.
The boy went anyway. And, he testified, he and Taylor did end up having unprotected sex, since she insisted he didn’t need to worry about a condom unless he had STDs.
If Taylor’s husband has any brains at all, he’ll demand paternity tests on all his current children and any future kids he may have with her.
Speaking of which…. mandatory paternity testing now! It’s the right thing to do, both for individual men and for society.
According to the boy, he drove home that night, got in a shower and cried because he “felt dirty.”
Somebody coached the kid to say that.
Although he lied to his girlfriend and parents initially that anything was going on, he eventually copped to the relationship when it was revealed that another, 15-year-old student was exchanging similar texts with Taylor.
Damn, bitch gets around! Talk about shitting where you work. She may be a classifiable nymphomaniac. Poor kid… you don’t feel so special anymore, do ya?
And now we get to the most nauseating part of the story:
Taylor’s husband, Kevin, meanwhile, denies that his wife engaged in anything inappropriate. The Herald-Republic reports that he came to court wearing a shirt with the words “I Love My Wife” written on it and had to be directed by the judge to quit staring down student witnesses testifying against Taylor.
There are few humiliating degradations a natural born beta will visit upon himself that would surprise me, but this has got to be a new low. “I Love My Wife”!? Could there be a more elegant metaphorical distillation of the wretchedness of self-immolating, soul-shriveling betatude?
Wife carries on text affair with multiple teen boys.
Husband approves of text messages. (“No reason to be suspicious”, he claims.)
Wife accused of statutorily raping one of the boys, with implications there were others.
Husband shows up in court wearing I love my wife tee, and stares daggers at witnesses daring to besmirch his angelic wife’s reputation.
Wife tingles in her nether region for boy student witnesses, unbeknownst to gallant husband defending her on the stand.
You can see video of the delusional husband here. He certainly has that watery-eyed beta look about the face. The only redeeming explanation for his behavior I can think of is that he, too, is fucking one of his teen girl students and his wife knows, so he is covering for her on threat that she’ll reveal his indiscretions. That would raise my estimation of his character quite a bit.
Why are so many betas capable of such Freudian feats of self-deception when confronted with their wives’ and lovers’ infidelity? I submit that it is fear, at heart, that drives this Stockholm Syndrome-ish mental mutilation. Fear of being outed as the unworthy husband, the duped tool, the cuckold… and fear of being alone, unsexed, and unable to find another woman. Such men cling like barnacles to their fear, and let it direct their every decision and their perception of events, even when the evidence against their delusions is slapping them upside the head. Fear is the natural state of the beta. It is their greatest self-imposed limitation.
Not to mention the stacked deck against men that is the man-hating divorce industry.
Quick to forgive, is the beta. In his forgiveness, he expects redemption and gratitude. Even renewed love. But instead he gets contempt, the pity born of hate.
If he only knew the truth…

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i luv you roissy
you might be our last, best hope for mankind
i myslef planb on running for senate someday too so maybe we can serve togetehr lzozlzlz
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what would your advice be if a man found out that his wife is whoring around or about to do so?
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Off topic, but women are consolidating power.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/opinion/14douthat.html?hp
The female nominee for governor in South Carolina was accused of having an affair, but I doubt she’ll bring her hypergamous tendencies to office.
I’m sure she’ll stand up for the beta loser cuckold males of South Carolina on issues that matter the most.
The odds of mandatory paternity testing are going DOWN.
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What a fuckin loser. Lower beta.
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anyone want to take a crack at what to do when a girl asks, “am i ever going to be your gf”
[ed: “we’ll see.”]
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The husband is acting beta, but he does not look that beta.
“stares daggers at witnesses daring to besmirch his angelic wife’s reputation”
This part is delusional, but also something that people who like to get into fights would do. It isn’t really typical beta behavior.
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Quetal dump her and move on ASAP.
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“what would your advice be if a man found out that his wife is whoring around or about to do so?”
i woudl take great pitty on the poor man.
i would sit him down in a nice quiet place in a park or in a bar.
and i would put my arm around his shoulder 2 ocnsole him.
and i would go, “lzozlzlzlzlzl! lzozlzlzlzlz!! OMFG i cannpot BELIEVE YOU MARRIED an asscoked, desouled BERNANKIFED chick lzozlzlzlzlzllzlzozlozozlzl who has been taught to bang bikerdurmmers with abandon and transfer assetts from teh betas who are too stupidity fucks topropose to asscocked soulless demon harpies with more STDS in their pussies than pubes on it, dude to the intenrte porn revolution promoted by the neocons lzozllzllz where all the chix shave lzozlzllzlzl i persnaooly miss da pubes as tehy gave me a snese of conquering unchartedered terrirtory, but now when i go down on a girl it is all bald with lottsa weird piercings and this last weekedn someone left a sign “joe was here.” lzozlzlzl fuck joe and fuck his ho tooo lzozlzlzlzlzl. anyways we shoudl bring back the pubes fiurst to hide the “joe was here” signsand then maybe we can start worrying about your whore wife lzozlzlzozzozloz. first things first and rome wasn’t built in a day so your patience is appreciated lzoztzzz in teh maenatinme lotsa cocka 4 da ladies”
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In a way, I think he is doing the right thing by standing by his wife. The t-shirt is beta, though.
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anyone want to take a crack at what to do when a girl asks, “am i ever going to be your gf”
yah as soon as u get your virginity back drop me a line and we can be bf/gf lzozlzlozl and that means your ass virginity too it’s a buyers market lzozlzlz
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“Laura
In a way, I think he is doing the right thing by standing by his wife. The t-shirt is beta, though.”
lozzllzlz!!
Laura writes, “Laura
In a way, I think he is doing the right thing by standing by his wife and getting butthexed by Bernanke who funded teh feminist movement whence wonez were deosuled in secrteeiv tapings of asscocking sessions without the girtlths conthent, and men were decocked lzozlzlz lzozlzlzozl.”
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“According to the boy, he drove home that night, got in a shower and cried because he “felt dirty.”” — Somebody coached the kid to say that.
Yeah, probably. Non-Emo teenage boys don’t talk like that. This kid lived my adeloscence-long fantasy. I could understand if at that age I had tangled up with an ugly older woman, or if a hot older woman played sadistic games with my immature self. If not, then I’d have felt like a hero and a stud.
The Self-Deception Of The White Knight
Beta idiots ruin everything. White-knighting is a noble centuries-old tradition of protecting VIRTUOUS women. A real white-knight in the olden days would have had his cheating wife beheaded.
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check this story even worse
http://www.hottforteacher.com/christine-amccallum-accused-of-raping-13-year-old-boy-over-300-times/
the number of female teachers having sex is rising so high…maybe it’s just that they are being more easily caught now with technology (i.e. cell phones and internet?)
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Anyone who wears “I love my wife” t-shirt is a tool.
a better shirt for the married man would be:
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^^^^^
neocns clap tehir hands when they read about all the assocking sesisons and women’z teachers hooking up with and fucking teenagers begind tehir backs lzozlzl they go lzozlzlzo mor ebroken families and fucked up kids and neocons concludes “women tame men.”
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oh yah does it make sense yet to yah?
are u gifted liek me?
2 see what my esye see?
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@quetal
[QUOTE]what would your advice be if a man found out that his wife is whoring around or about to do so?[/QUOTE]
Drill her hard one last time then find a lawyer to take everything she has and find someone who won’t cheat, using the extra cash you are saving to study how to be the kind of guy women will not cheat on. Make sure you have real hard evidence of the cheating whore, not just assumption on your part.
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Why would the wife be getting gina tingles by someone saying he cried and felt dirty after having sex with her? That wouldn’t turn me on.
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Laura are you retarded? You certainly sound like you are.
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Pardon my french, but what a whore.
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The big list of female teachers having fun with their students
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783
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Roissy
This is a query/comment re: LTRs/marriage.
How would you deal with your wife being obsessed with a star athlete, and praising him in front of you? As in, not every day or week. One time he was on a talk show and she was just in a trance, staring at the screen and smiling, shaking her head and whispered, “They’re so lucky they got to meet him”.
Should I be hurt / offended? Should I laugh it off? It is annoying, sometimes very much so, to hear your wife talk about another guy — celebrity or not.
I almost called her out on it and almost said, OK, so its alright if I point out the tits on women that I wanna bang. But I held back thinking showing any kind of jealousy would weaken me.
I’ve followed the blog religiously since last summer. I know the roissy maxims – all women can and will be seduced by higher status dudes — in this case, this is plainly clear — but how do you deal with this kind of teenage like idol worship to make it to not be so annoying?
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it’s great having losers like this around. their wives are desperate and horny, and i’m horny as well.
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thanks roissy
what i said was, “you’re drunk”
but i know she’s going to ask again
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Another whacked thing about this is the draconian laws about “statutory rape” of people in their high teens. Even more whacked when the teen is male (the psychology is different, there is no symmetry between innies and outies).
Now, a teacher (either sex) who screws with his/her students should NOT be teaching, I am all with the majority on that, but meting out criminal sentences is absurd.
Thor
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Totally agree Thor. She should lose her job, but that’s it.
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@quetal
See, for example, the recent series at Married Man Sex Life. For instance: http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/2010/06/spy-mode-what-to-do-when-you-think-your.html
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simpleman, if you’ve been reading for more than a few months and you don’t know how to respond (or prevent the situation in the first place), personalized advice won’t help you. Even if you did manage to execute the advice given, you’d be back asking for more in a month because you didn’t learn the underlying principles.
For what it’s worth, I would ridicule her for her obsession soon and often. Go on offense – be the first to bring it up. Be creative, because there will be lots of opportunities to make her feel silly and inadequate. I would do it playfully, but that’s because I’m a mean bastard. A pussy would have to try to be cruel to wind up with the same effect.
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lozlzlzlzl
when jonah goldberg wrote “womenz tame men, nuff said,” he forgot to link to this:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783
fukcing and ufkcing and fucking their stdunets as teh fed teaches them 2 do lzozlzlzlzozloz
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Ewwwwww!!!!
This post made me throw up my breakfast!
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Slightly off-topic, but I’m pretty sure this is the most beta guy I’ve ever see judging by his t-shirt.
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*seen.
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question for the board: thoughts on girls who go to sex clubs? checked out an open sex club the other day. most of the girls came with guys but there were a few single hotties. saw a lot of bad game and some good game (but the best couple by far was married, i think). any tips on gaming girls who are already in a sex club (and possibly married)?
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It’s not easy, but it is simple. First the pain, then the pain relief.
1. Catch her
2. Divorce her
3. Fuck other women
There is no other way.
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when you hold a fiat dollar and look at it
real close now
look relaly relaly clcose
can you see the ifat funded cock sliding in and out of the girls’ ass behind teh pyramid? lzozlzllzlzlzl
i swear to good it is there and if you can’t see it you can smell it lzozlzlozlzl
an doff to the side you can see simon and shcuster wiring more fiat dolalrs hundreds of thosuands of beenrnke printed fiat to asscockers who are taping secrteive tapings of butthex without the girlths conthent, as in the pyramid benranke convenes the world banekrs who tell charlotte allen to repeat the pr lies taht tcuker max is six feet tall in the “cponservative”: weekly standard, as butthexual heroes who talk with liphs and cherubic-faced must come to repalce the face of john wayne and thomas jefferson as teh new definition of men lzozlzl as tucker max rhymes wihth goldman sax lzozlzlz
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A harsh, harsh truth – one that I am still learning.
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what would your advice be if a man found out that his wife is whoring around or about to do so?<<<<
First and foremost I'd tell him not to look to GBFM for consolation.
Then I'd tell him to kick her out of the house. Give her enough money to get a hotel room and nothing else….literally lock her out of the house. Two points in this regard:
1) Trying to working it out is foolish — if husband says, 'oh yes sweet baby let's try to work this out I love you so much', her ID will say, 'what a limp-dick little bitch this boy is, I need hard cock'.
I'm sure there are cases where the couple does work it out….in fact I've been propositioned by a few of these women after they worked things out with their devoted husbands. Whatever the case, the odds are way stacked against future marital bliss.
2) Husband is probably going to be in a legal battle regardless of how he handles things, so he may as well fire the first shot. Sulking away with little more than a toothbrush sends the message that the husband did everything wrong and therefore he is the one that deserves to suffer.
Conversely, quickly and unceremoniously kicking her ass into the street is a strong offensive move. Literally lock her out of the house. This move screams, "I take my marriage and the marital vows seriously, and she's violated those vows."
Also, it's kind of difficult for her to complain on one hand that the husband won't let her into the house and on the other that he'll beat her if she gets back in. It clearly establishes that the husband wants to end the marriage, thereby pre-empting abuse charges on her part….the post hoc abuse complaint will sound a little like, 'you're firing me!? Oh no you're not, I quit."
ain't saying it's full proof, just saying that I'd prefer to fire the first shot in any gun battle.
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simpleman,
You could try the “free pass” trick. Make a joke out of it, insist that she make a list and you will make a list with the same number of people on it. Ask her how many are going to be on her list. Say she says 3. Her #1 is her Pro Athlete crush. Your #1 is Scarlett Johansson (or whoever). Her #2 is George Clooney. Fine, your #2 is Catherine Zeta Jones. Her #3 is Brad Pitt. You: That’s it? Her: Yes. You: I get one more? Her: Yes. You: OK, my #3 is (name of hot female friend of yours, or some other woman your wife knows who might conceivably want you.)
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Some gems from the comments at the article in question:
A pretty lie? I know I’d go to town on many of the hot teachers back in my day. For shame I had no game.
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I don’t understand anyone, male or female, who stands by a cheating spouse.
This women needs to have her teaching license revoked. Her actions are a major violation of her professional responsibilities and the public trust.
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“Fear is the natural state of the beta.
It is their greatest self-imposed limitation.”
I suspect that this is a symptom/effect of a deeper problem.
I figure a Beta has been conditioned to believe (from an early age) that he is essentially shit, with intrinsically little to nothing of value to offer other people, little to no hope that others will naturally respond positively to him.
It becomes a self-perpetuating cycle — pessimism leading to behavior which gets negative response from others, which reinforces the pessimism, rotten self-image, and the ‘loser’ behavior.
Seems a Beta would need to recognize the bullshit cycle he was duped into living, and get angry about it, without feeling any guilt about being angry — ‘owning it’.
He needs to believe he is essentially as worthy of happiness and positive response as anyone else (without kissing ass to get it) as long as he carries himself like a man.
His LACK of this belief may be his biggest handicap, creating the fear which keeps him enslaved and self-limited.
That’s how I see it anyway (shudder, cringe).
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“Why are so many betas capable of such Freudian feats of self-deception when confronted with their wives’ and lovers’ infidelity?”
It’s called One-itis, and yes it is fear of all the things you listed, plus the belief that she was the only one in the world for him.
A real man knows it’s better to be alone slapping the bologna than to continue a “relationship” with a woman like this.
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If the legal system was based on the principles espoused here, hubby would be charged as an accomplice for making wife so desperate that she stoops to banging her students. Hell, just charge him and let her off the hook, if he’s in jail she’ll be single and can play with adults.
Great blog. Having been raised beta, every post and comment around here is an eye-opener.
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Simpleman,
In that case, I would mock her about it. Make it as playful as possible, but every time she does something like that mock the hell out of her. Don’t lose your cool, but do make her look as silly as possible.
Assert your status. Don’t get angry or clingy, but be the man.
Also, there’s a couple of postings on this website about game in long-term relationships – Roissy refers to a man called Dave from Hawaii, who used game to fix a troubled marriage. They were outstanding posts.
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It might be just me but this is what babies look before they start to cry
(from the video)

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The kid is bullshitting—you know that little motherfucker was celebrating after he hit that. At his age, I sure as shit would have been. He only came forward after it was clear she was possibly getting split open by one of his buddies—a total beta move, to shut down your own party just because a few other guys are starting to get a taste. The little shit didn’t have Game—it’s just that the teach was so incredibly desperate he couldn’t possibly fuck it up.
And I don’t know what the husband’s deal is. Probably a combination of oneitis combined with being socially conditioned throughout his life to be a white knight and to blame himself if his wife isn’t faithful. And if you don’t have Game, then to a small extent you are responsible if your woman strays.
One thing that should just kill this guy is that his wife’s hypergamy led her to fucking bed a teenager. He’s so beta a goddamned pimply schoolkid is perceived as a step up.
Why not just kill yourself already?
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“The List” is of course the solution to the celebrity crush angle. Well done.
My ex would say things about a celeb. When he was on the GQ magazine cover, I handed it to her after reading the issue. “Here, I saved this for you to masturbate to.”
Women just want to see if you’re insecure. I am not, and think it’s funny.
Once she mentioned that she dated a much older man while in college. She said, “What a loser he was?” When I learned that her ex was 27 and dating her while she was in college, I said, “Damn. That guy was probably get high fives from all of his friends.”
Of course, I operate out of a position of strength. I monitor my diet and train like a madman.
I think many of your beta male problems come from being fat or out of shape.
When I imply that I can go out and get whatever I want, she understands that it’s her actions alone that can inspire me to remain home. Thus, when she’d say things like, “Promise me you won’t ever leave me,” I’d say the same stock answer: “Don’t give me a reason.”
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One factor re the Hubby in question is the kiddies — he almost certainly has an idea fixed in his mind that the kids need mommie at home, even if her breath does smell a bit like 17 yo jizz.
For all the advocates of game in LTR, the act of being married and having kids is inherently beta-izing.
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Where were all these teachers when I was in school?
Hilarious how the man seizes upon one small discrepancy in the accuser’s testimony…
And ignores 400 text messages.
“and i would put my arm around his shoulder 2 ocnsole him”
Can you image – GreatBooksForMen – Marriage counsellor.
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“For all the advocates of game in LTR, the act of being married and having kids is inherently beta-izing.”
yup. now way to not have it beta-ize you since you have to become a bit of a beta provider in order to raise your kids. that is why it is important not to get married. don’t give a woman that kind of leverage.
also, in some ways, i blame the beta husband. how desperate for cock is your wife if she starts chasing teenagers. i don’t think beta hubbies realize how much they turn their wives off with their constant supplicating attitudes.
no doubt when her legal troubles are all over, wifey will reward beta hubby’s “stand by your woman” routine with divorce papers so she can go chase some cock.
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“White-knighting is a noble centuries-old tradition of protecting VIRTUOUS women. ”
That’s true. More men would be prepared to help a modestly-dressed woman in real distress than a drunken harlot.
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Alexamenos, E,
“For all the advocates of game in LTR, the act of being married and having kids is inherently beta-izing.”
That’s not true folks – it’s often but not always. There’s nothing beta about a man who works hard and brings home food for his wife and kids provided:
1. He rules the roost.
2. He keeps her in line, and does not tolerate any nonsense.
3. He keeps them in line.
4. He didn’t marry a woman with more “experience” than a Tijuana donkey (they’re depressingly common).
Sad thing, a lot of modern husbands see marriage as a partnership. It’s nothing of the kind. It’s a feudal regime. You’re the lord. The wife is the vassal who needs watching and the kids are the peasants you protect and guide.
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@ alexamenos
Yes…but marriage’s debilitating impact on your alphatude can be effectively countered with LTR Game. There are blogs devoted exclusively to the topic—check them out.
And I don’t think being married is a bad call for every guy. Just about 80 percent of them. If you’re Mormon or otherwise insanely religious and are able to pick from a pool of attractive virginal women who are trained from birth to stand by their future husbands no matter what—then marriage is safe option to lockdown quality pussy while young. Or if you’re able to find a quality girl and you really, really, really want children then you might consider marrying her. Etc.
I think marriage should really be done on a case-by-case basis for each dude, and shouldn’t be seen as the endgame perforce. For the vast majority of guys it’s a bad call, but it really does depend.
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“hat’s not true folks – it’s often but not always. There’s nothing beta about a man who works hard and brings home food for his wife and kids…”
isn’t this the very definition of a beta provider.
it is a shame more and more women don’t respect beta providers, but in some ways you can’t blame them. women don’t need beta providers anymore since they can get their own damn jobs and raise the kids on her own with the help of the state.
beta hubbies are like the dinosaurs. they are relics of a bygone era.
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>>simpleman, if you’ve been reading for more than a few months and you don’t know how to respond (or prevent the situation in the first place), personalized advice won’t help you. Even if you did manage to execute the advice given, you’d be back asking for more in a month because you didn’t learn the underlying principles.>>
I’ve got most of the principles down. It’s kind of naturally come to me in our relationship. It’s funny. I think she is crazy in love with me and worships the ground I walk on. She’s not your standard entitled feminist “modern women”. I am the man, and she knows it.
It’s just this one little thing, the idolizing of Star Athlete, which I’ve never addressed and which really gets under my skin. It could be a test…but she’ll like DVR a show if he’s on it to watch when I’m not around. I don’t know if that’s a test.
Also, she was crushing on this guy before she knew me.
M, Polymath and Cap N Bob, I’m going to take your suggestions from those of you here, and see how that goes.
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E,
A man is alpha depending on how attractive he is to women. There is no other factor that can make man an alpha or disqualify him from being an alpha.
“isn’t this the very definition of a beta provider.”
That’s the definition of a provider. Not a beta provider.
If he keeps his woman in line, he will piss authority. He won’t be clingy and needy. She will be in awe of him. His inner game will be bulletproof.
He’ll be attractive to other women (even though if he’s a man of honour, he won’t give a fuck about that). More importantly, he will be a God to his wife.
And that’s what makes him alpha.
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“hat’s not true folks – it’s often but not always. There’s nothing beta about a man who works hard and brings home food for his wife and kids…”
isn’t this the very definition of a beta provider.<<<<<<<<
Yes it is. And given the state of family court affairs, any leverage a man may try to exert in the relationship is, in the final analysis, a massive bluff where she's holding the cards.
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Simpleman,
Here is the Dave from Hawaii post that Roissy posted:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/relationship-game-week-a-readers-journey/
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Somewhere in Washington State, I owe an underage kid a beer out of respect.
Wearing a shirt that says ‘I love my wife’ even when she’s done nothing wrong is inherently Beta. Another act of Beta behavior that I see more and more of on people’s twitter and facebook pages is the guy gushing on how much he loves his girlfriend.
A touch of Beta is necessary in a relationship to be sure, but too much of it all but ensures that your girl jumps into bed with the next crass, macho asshole that games her. This is one of the few benefits to having a Facebook or Twitter page if you’re a guy.
Roissy: ‘And teen boys are carelessly devil-may-care.’
My sister is a high school teacher (as far as I know she’s not diddling her male students). I can assure you that while a small sample of high school boys are devil may care (15% at the most), the rest of the herd are as or more Beta than their older counterparts.
Big thanks to uber-feminised systems of education.
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“If he keeps his woman in line, he will piss authority. He won’t be clingy and needy. She will be in awe of him. His inner game will be bulletproof.
He’ll be attractive to other women (even though if he’s a man of honour, he won’t give a fuck about that). More importantly, he will be a God to his wife.
And that’s what makes him alpha.”
how many provider hubbies fit this definition. in this feminized culture, most providers will become beta providers. fact.
my point stands –> betas providers are dinos.
also, you ignored that fact that a lot of women don’t even need providers anymore.
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E and Alexamenos,
I’m not an American myself, but I do know that the divorce system is pretty appalling over there (feminism does more damage than terrorism any day). Things are not great here either.
I can see why marriage repels a lot of decent men, especially the way it’s rigged now.
A man who marries and becomes a father is running a big risk of losing a lot of assets. He runs the risk of being the indentured servant of an ungrateful hag and their ungrateful kids. So, I would agree with the proposition that marriage is a very high risk factor for turning a man into a beta.
But that does not mean that it is always the case. It just makes game extremely important. Firstly, to help you find a woman worthy of marriage (they’re rare), and secondly, to keep the marriage running smoothly.
But a risk does not mean a certainty.
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“also, you ignored that fact that a lot of women don’t even need providers anymore.”
Which is why so many screwed up kids are being churned out. Our society is fucked because of that fact.
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Sad thing, a lot of modern husbands see marriage as a partnership.<<<<<
Not only do a lot of modern husbands see marriage as a partnership, but so do the family court systems. The problem with this situation is that the family court systems have men with guns who can fuck over the Lord of the Manor.
When you Game runs into Guns, Guns win.
How many vassals do you know that can make one 911 call and have her Lord hauled away by the men with guns? At the least you should acknowledge that it's an unusual feudal relationship where the Lords' power over his Vassal amounts to nothing more than a shared illusion.
….
No matter good is a player's game may be, that player is still living in a matriarchal society. Upon marriage he is entering into a legal contract that gives the woman substantial dominion over the man. A married player may be more alpha than then the average nob polishing schmuck, but he is nonetheless less alpha than he was before the marriage.
Marriage is inherently beta-izing.
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Cap’n Bob: I’m not an American myself, but I do know that the divorce system is pretty appalling over there <<<
Gotcha….cheers.
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“how many provider hubbies fit this definition.”
A few. Perhaps it’s more common over here (where the feminist nonsense only really took off around twenty years ago), than in the states.
An example of how marriage (or a ruinous divorce) didn’t betaize a man:
Silvio Berlusconi.
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>>Simpleman,
In that case, I would mock her about it. Make it as playful as possible, but every time she does something like that mock the hell out of her. Don’t lose your cool, but do make her look as silly as possible.
Assert your status. Don’t get angry or clingy, but be the man.>>
Any ideas on the best way to do this…any examples?
Right now its hard for me to see myself mocking or teasing her about this “obsession” without me “losing my cool”.
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PA, I agree with you about white knighting. Anyway, I recall when I visited London(which was one of my biggest European disappointments in cities visited) I watched TV a bit and I saw this show where this pretty good looking guy had his girlfriend get knocked up with another dude. And instead of dumping the broad he kept rambling about how he will love the child as his own kid since he loves her and all that. They weren’t even married! I was in utter disbelief. He should have considered himself lucky and dumped the broad because he was out of her league.
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Simpleman,
I honestly don’t – but I’m pretty sure that some of the folks here could come with some good examples.
There might be posts on this topic too.
Whatever you do, appear to be funny and light-hearted. She sounds lovely (apart from the little quirk).
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>>>>>>>it is a shame more and more women don’t respect beta providers, but in some ways you can’t blame them.<<<<<<<
On further reflection, I think you can lay a lot of the blame on women for not respecting beta providers. Feminism emasculated the beta provider and it's that emasculation made them last attractive to women.
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“Sad thing, a lot of modern husbands see marriage as a partnership. It’s nothing of the kind. It’s a feudal regime. You’re the lord. The wife is the vassal who needs watching and the kids are the peasants you protect and guide.”
Well said. If you don’t rule the roost then she will, and that usually means her losing respect for you and having gina tingles for men who are higher status than you. In other words, betaizing yourself to your wife is the #1 way of getting cheated on.
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This is so disgusting .. There is absolutely no loyalty from women these days and there are countless examples. You can’t even get away with being the best since if you are a 9 the allure of an affair will be exciting enough for the girl you are seeing that it will bump up some 7 that she randomly meets. Not to mention eventually getting bored with you after you hit it 99 times.
this woman slept with multiple students, not because of their game, but because she had a need to get Fk’d by as many dicks as possible.
I can only imagine the possibilities if we extrapolate this trend among all women (not a long shot either from what i’ve seen)
the truth comes out
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Simpleman
Yes, it’s a test, probably unconscious. She has a crush on a celebrity. He’s way hotter than you. So what? Don’t be insecure and don’t be jealous. She’s acting like a little girl, so treat her like one.
Cap N Bob has got it right. Tease her about it. Not bitterly, but playfully. Like she is your 13 year-old kid sister and she has a crush on a boy. Don’t make fun of him or put him down, just tease her about her crush on him.
Ugly truth: she would fuck this guy in a second if she had the opportunity provided she is hot enough for him to want her. Who cares? Real world, never gonna happen.
My woman is hot for Brad Pitt. Once she flaunted some praise of his hotness to me. I teased her about it and the flaunting stopped because it didn’t get a rise out of me. Now I say something like, “hey I got the new Brad Pitt film for us to watch. If he takes his shirt off, can you keep your tongue in your mouth or do I need to fast forward those scenes?”
Her crush is not a bad thing, it’s an opportunity for you to DHV. Do you see how you can use him to make her feel like a silly little girl and feel tingles for you?
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>Her crush is not a bad thing, it’s an opportunity for you to DHV. Do you see how you can use him to make her feel like a silly little girl and feel tingles for you?>
Yeah…that makes sense. Nice way to handle it in the Brad Pitt story.
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If you’re being cheated on, the bets idea is to remain calm and unemotional. It’s too late for you; you now have to protect yourself. Do it in a cold and calculating manner. Think:
Your Goal is to Protect Yourself. Just blowing up on her gets you nothing, and actually may arm her.
The best solution if your wife is cheating on you:
1) Catch her. Don’t confront her at all. Collect evidence and make it stick.
2) Privately arrange divorce proceedings. Shuffle money away into unknown bank accounts or investments. Protect your property. Hide anything you legitimately can.
3) Launch into full Divorce Mode. Don’t tell her yet.
4) Change the locks on the house. Begin packing her things for her. Maintain possession of the home.
5) Arrange to have her things picked up. Be generous. Make a list and photograph everything you own.
6) Confront her.
She’ll detonate and likely panic. But you need to have all your T’s crossed and I’s dotted. Do it calmly and rationally.
Don’t bother trying to reconcile.
*IF* you reconcile, do it from a position of strength. Don’t wheedle.
If she wants to reconcile, you can do it if you want to: On your terms, with the barrel of a Divorce gun pointed at her head.
That’s the only alpha way to reconcile.
BTW, be looking or tail on the side from now on.
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“Reasonable minds might wonder what is going on”
I’m sure as many know there’s a theory that women are not naturally monogamous (but society ingrains that they are different from men in this regard). And women reach their sexual peak later than men. But this particular case (and similar) really outrageous, a man in this position would be considered to be preying.
“Speaking of which…. mandatory paternity testing now! It’s the right thing to do, both for individual men and for society.”
Agreed, it should be done as standard procedure, like HIV tests on pregnant women. There’s really no excuse not, if nothing else it should be done for the child’s heath reasons.
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Mandatory paternity tests are a bad idea. Paternity tests are so easy to do — the only reason a man doesn’t perform one is because he doesn’t want to.
Some men may accept that at least one of the children they raise may be another man’s to bargain their way into a relationship or maintain their position in an already established one. If they can’t make that bargain, or if that bargain becomes more expensive (it’s worse when everyone knows with p=1 rather than believes with p=0.30, and it’s worse when the bargain becomes more explicit), those men are made worse off.
[editor: is this some kind of newspeak? how is a man made worse off by more information rather than less? any man who truly believes he is better off cuckolded with a consolation prize of tepid sex once in a while, instead of free to spend his resources on his own children with a mate happy to bear his children, is bargaining from the position of zero leverage. iow, he’s not bargaining at all. and why would “everyone” have to know? the knowledge can easily be restricted to the woman, man, and their doctor.]
We may say that a man who refuses to get a paternity test for his children is asking to be taken advantage of. And that may be exactly right. Why stop him from striking the best deal he can?
[mandatory paternity testing does not stop men from striking the best deal they can. just the opposite, in fact.]
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I’d do that Ileana Diaz on the newsroom
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the term “white knight” is racist against white people. it associates a negative image with an exclusive descriptor.
if the naacp can classify “black holes” as hate-speech, i will take my own stand against linguistic injustice.
sure, HBD dictates that a higher proportion of white knights are indeed white. i think a little blank-slate reductionist liberalism is in order here. with a conscious effort, we can break free from K-selection and future time orientation, defy nature, and behave just as impulsively as other races!
cape buffaloes for all!!
[editor: this reads like a stream of consciousness keyword algorythmic rap. i’m tickled pink, or rather, tickled a nonracial off-red hue unrelated in any way to the blushing qualities of the melatonally challenged races.]
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PA are you GBFM??
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simpleman,
next time the Star Athlete comes up and she starts gushing Omega-3, just tell her, “Would you like a minute alone with Mr. TV?”
She’ll probably get the hint.
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A man is made worse off when he is forced to imbibe more information than he wants.
[editor: this reads like paternalistic fascism. “it;s better for you if you don’t know”.]
If a dude isn’t willing to pony up $300 for a paternity test at a private clinic to avoid raising another man’s child for 18 years, you have to wonder how badly he wants that info.
[mandatory paternity testing does not force a man to hear something he doesn’t want to. he can simply ask that the results not be revealed to him. of course, his willful ignorance would not be the state’s moral crisis.]
There are men who can’t find a mate happy to bear (solely) their children. Hence the deal: he’ll grudgingly raise another man’s child if she’ll bear for him a few of his own. Not ideal? Tell that to the sexual marketplace, where dozens of other losers are willing to pay the buy in price if he won’t.
[the better scenario is to make such a deal with all information available. blind dealmaking is for chumps, as it is really no deal at all. whether dozens of other men would gladly take his place is irrelevant to the fairness of MPT. i could only imagine envious losers who want to drag everyone else into the pit of despair with them would advocate for such willful ignorance.]
Men can and do strike up relationships with women who already have children. Willingly getting cuckolded isn’t all that different.
[generally, women with baggage have to settle for commitment from lower quality men than what they could have gotten childless. this makes perfect sense by the cold calculation of the dating market. but at least those men were given the opportunity to make an informed choice. they were not duped into doing something they might have balked at doing if they had all the information available to them.]
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As if stories like this weren’t enough to wake up the beta hubbies to the realities of the sexual market place, the proliferation of websites like the following eventually will:
http://www.ashleymadison.com/
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http://zerotm.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/american-women-are-absolute-garbage-need-evidence-read-below/
I think this demonstrates pretty nicely why white knights are bad. Too many illusions broken and then they turn psycho.
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E
Reality is also when a beta like myself goes on these sites and tries to get some action, but comes to the realisation that MAYBE 5% of the guys on these sites are doing all the fucking.
Single beta guy and divorced beta guy are all on these sites. It just take them a little while to figure out it ain’t happening.
It would be interesting to see what percentage of the guys are doing most of the screwing on ashleymadison. My guess would be 5% are doing 90% of it.
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Back when I was teaching I had a coworker who straddled the obsession line with a student. He was 17, a juvenile delinquent who had spent the previous summer in a detention camp for theft. She was 30, and he was to her utterly irresistible. She had a boyfriend who traveled thousands of miles to bring her suitcases full of comfort stuff from home – magazines, beauty products, food, letters, etc. Him she had nothing but disdain for. It was the under-aged, self-tattooed thug in her class that took up all of her mental space.
She would come by my apartment and talk for hours about him and how this was “so right it couldn’t be wrong,” and crap like that. Then, if she sensed I was getting tired of telling her how unethical she was being and – subtly – how gross this all was, she would say she was going to kill herself if she couldn’t have him. If I’d been living stateside, I would have alerted her school, his parents, and some kind of suicide hotline (though I really think the last was pure manipulation to keep me in the loop) and let it be. As it was I was her hostage.
And she didn’t even share the comfort stuff her boyfriend brought her with me – the bitch!
[editor: every man in the world who is wedded to the pedestal myth should read this comment for comprehension.]
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“how many provider hubbies fit this definition. in this feminized culture, most providers will become beta providers. fact.
my point stands –> betas providers are dinos.
also, you ignored that fact that a lot of women don’t even need providers anymore.”
You sound like Hanna Rosin.
As if stories like this weren’t enough to wake up the beta hubbies to the realities of the sexual market place, the proliferation of websites like the following eventually will:
Not really. The overwhelming majority of people on those sites are toolish men.
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Okay, so “mandatory” just means each guy gets tax payer funded test results if he wants them. Basically, you’re pushing for a $300 subsidy to buy something that is already easily available to all men. And you’re calling me paternalistic?
[editor: so your previous protestations were all empty hand-waving. your real beef is with the cost. the law mandates many things that cost taxpayer money, but serve a private and public good. there are ways to pay the cost through mechanisms that don’t involve a broadly applied tax scheme.]
Yes, we’ve already established that these men are chumps. That’s the point. You mock willful ignorance, but there are men who would prefer the shred of dignity that not being 100% sure grants. And if you don’t buy that, why do you suppose many men don’t bother getting paternity tests on their own steam?
[what you are advocating is powerlessness. that’s not a winning strategy. it is the bleat of the loser. you concoct a definition of dignity that is wholly at odds with even a grade school level understanding of human nature. as i said, if a man prefers willful ignorance, he can choose to not have the paternity results released to him. MPT puts power back in men’s hands. without it, many men would be shamed into not asking for a paternity test when there is doubt. what man at the moment of what is supposed to be sheer joy is going to have the presence of mind and the strength of will to demand a paternity test with his loving wife just having given birth? MPT removes that obstacle of duress by rendering null the coercive effect of emotional betrayal and implied disapproval on the decision to request evidence of paternity.]
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first i came to this site to learn how to get laid.
then i remained to learn about the true nature of females in relationships.
finally i have become a mens rights activist.
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I don’t see what this has to do with game. Little boys aren’t learning game any younger or better than their previous generations. In fact, they’re probably even more feminine than current beta adults, seeing as how more of them are being raised by single moms.
Anyway, these older teachers getting the hots for young boys is probably just as simple as the fact that they’re less likely to be fat/ugly/generally gross, sex-entitled, slutty and bitter just like many adult men. I’m sure the betas on this blog would hate that hypothesis though.
I mean, game isn’t really making the current pool of men to date any better. Now we have a bunch of betas with an entitlement attitude.
[editor: so how recent has it been since you last got dumped?]
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@game_in_bk
first i came to this site to learn how to get laid.
then i remained to learn about the true nature of females in relationships.
finally i have become a mens rights activist.
It’s the Threefold Path.
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Mandatory paternity test. This assemble me of a very famous brazilian novel, called “Dom Casmurro”, in wich a man has doubts about the paternity of a kid, whose possible interloper is already dead. Then after a couple hundred pages of paranoia he asks his wife about the fact. And she says he won’t get the answer (and no one gets).
Frankiness can hurt and be offensive, may we like it or not, some hypocrisy is necessaire for sake of society. Not everything has to be spoken. After all, betas will still forgive.
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@ Lily
“Speaking of which…. mandatory paternity testing now! It’s the right thing to do, both for individual men and for society.”
“Agreed, it should be done as standard procedure, like HIV tests on pregnant women. There’s really no excuse not, if nothing else it should be done for the child’s heath reasons.”
It would protect the child’s right to support as well.
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@M
Yes, we’ve already established that these men are chumps. That’s the point. You mock willful ignorance, but there are men who would prefer the shred of dignity that not being 100% sure grants. And if you don’t buy that, why do you suppose many men don’t bother getting paternity tests on their own steam?
So there’s a shred of dignity in unwittingly raising children not yours with a woman who’s sleeping around? That’s retarded.
The issue is that by default we trust what women say about the father.
In this social and sexual environment, that’s insane.
We should default to Not Trusting what the woman says. That way the man never has to ask if the kid is his and seem like an ass: he’ll know immediately.
I’m curious to see what the results (anonymized) would be, too, country by country. How many kids born to mothers are *actually* the children of their ostensible mates?
I’d guess a 3-7% rate of cuckolding. Pretty high.
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Self deception at it’s best.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/7827195/Whats-so-wrong-with-being-SAS-Successful-Attractive-and-Single.html
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I love that lolz guy.
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@ Cannon
“if the naacp can classify “black holes” as hate-speech, i will take my own stand against linguistic injustice.””
Yeah, wasn’t that amazing. That’s the most ridiculous thing since that college professor apologized for saying “niggardly.”
Did you see the tape of the NAACP representative going on about how hurt she was and how devalued she felt? I wasn’t sure what she needed more, a shrink or an ear doctor. She was insistant the card said “Black whores” which made no sense at all in the context of the card.
When do people just say, “Whoops,my bad. I misheard”?
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Never take back a cheating woman.
If betas would just follow this one simple rule, it would make the world a much better place, at least for betas. It would make the cost so high for cheating that far fewer women would cheat on their betas.
[editor: this is good advice. or, if you do take her back, just pump and dump her. your cost per notch with a confirmed cheater should be 0 dollars.]
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@Anonymous
Self deception at it’s best.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/7827195/Whats-so-wrong-with-being-SAS-Successful-Attractive-and-Single.html
There’s nothing wrong with this article.
These are very attractive women who rode Alpha Cock through their 20’s and mid-30’s, and find that they don’t want to stop. Nothing wrong with that.
if they can bag Alpha men for nights of sex, good for them
But they’re not having kids, and if 25% remain childless, then it basically means the attractive Alpha Cock riders have priced themselves out of the Breeding role.
How sad for society. Absolute Female Freedom and Hypergamy = Social Decay and Slow Death.
How sad that feminists don’t see this.
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Sniper
Yes, a country where beta entitlement is the norm is I’m sure very annoying to women. From the male point of view I would compare it to most American women overestimating their looks by at least 2, sometimes 3 points.
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Re: [editor: so how recent has it been since you last got dumped?]
I’ve never been dumped, but that doesn’t make me blind to how a lot of guys are. This is a bad argument and you should feel bad for making it.
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Little boys aren’t learning game any younger or better tHan their previous generations. In fact, they’re probably even more feminine than current beta adults, seeing as how more of them are being raised by single moms.
Those that are more compliant are being beta-ized. But there have always been a lot of young men who just don’t give a fuck what anyone tries to teach them. It used to be that society could have some measurable influence over these young men through corporal punishment and some fairly coercive social norms, but these days the educational system has lost any influence over them. Let loose in an anonymous urban environment they can hone their woman chasing skills virtually without reprisal.
A lot of the PUA subculture is somewhat older, more educated men realizing that there are no significant consequences to behaving however the hell you want in your sex life. Roissy in many ways in the antithesis of how an educated man in our society is supposed to think and act, yet what real consequences has he suffered from violating society’s taboos. Pretty much none. His opponents are mostly reduced to sneering at him in the comments section or making snarky comments about his ideas on their own blogs.
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” It would make the cost so high for cheating”
That’s true – the adultery epidemic isn’t due to any change in the nature of womenfolk over the past fifty years; they’re still the same delightful, flighty and utterly unreliable creatures they’ve always been.
The reason why betrayal is so common is that society tolerates it; weak husbands tolerate it and “girlfriends” tolerate it.
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Gorbachev
” Absolute Female Freedom and Hypergamy = Social Decay and Slow Death.”
The tale of Western Civ since the 60’s in one sentence.
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Sniper is back!
I knew she would eventually come back.
@Andrew S
“Yes, a country where beta entitlement is the norm is I’m sure very annoying to women. From the male point of view I would compare it to most American women overestimating their looks by at least 2, sometimes 3 points.”
In all fairness, Sniper actually judged her attractiveness pretty accurately.
Sniper’s problem isn’t her looks, since she is actually a very cute girl, but her problem is this “princess” attitude she seems to relish in. I can’t imagine too many dudes are into it…or at least that too many sober dudes could stand it.
@Sniper
“I’ve never been dumped, but that doesn’t make me blind to how a lot of guys are. This is a bad argument and you should feel bad for making it.”
You have a beta/herb boyfriend, right? Or was that a lie?
Anyways, you probably don’t go out much since you also don’t have too many girlfriends (I read your blog for like 5 min).
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Sniper
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Why do you disapprove of game so much? Far from giving a man a sense of entitlement; it makes him more aware of how women think.
That is a good thing, surely?
Or is it the thought of “uppity” betas attempting to improve their lot?
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Jay-z
Yeah, if you’re a fan of bangs she’s a 10.
But you’re right, she is far from being unattractive. I would say a 7 or 7.5. Without the bangs she is a solid 8. My point was that however upset she is over beta entitlement, average looking women who see themselves as 8’s is just as obnoxious.
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@ Gorbachev
I think I read statistics along the line of closer to 10%!
I have been thinking about what M said. Apologies (tongue in cheek) for being all womany and being anecdotal but I haven’t read much objective statistical stuff on this so this is all I have.
I know of one situation of the child not being the father’s biologically. (obviously the statistics would indicate that I must know more than this, but this is one I know for a fact). In their situation I don’t think the father would want it out in black and white even to himself (though as Roissy says if paternity testing were mandatory that would be different).
Overall, taking into account looks, class, status, money etc, the husband is about a 3 or 4 and the wife is an 8 (these numbers also correlate in terms of looks only). She is also about 9 years younger than him. She ‘could have done a lot better’ than him but she wanted to get married when she was 21 and there aren’t too many guys that age who want to get married.
He must know deep down that the child is not his as he once made a reference to it to her in a very heated argument when he was very drunk but that was the only time he has ever mentioned it (the child is about 12 now).
Possibly he was scared of getting his ‘ass raped in the divorce court’ but it’s a bit relative as her parents made a massive downpayment on their house (and the value of that would be split equally between them in England, it’s not unusual for a woman to buy her husband out of the home, asking her parents to or moving to a smaller house – not that I’m claiming divorce is fairer on men here, I’m just sharing facts).
My feeling overall (but I have never talked to him about it) is that he felt he did well when he married her and would not get someone else of her ‘status’ and it was worth putting up with the child that was not biologically his as they already had one child together.
Please don’t flame me, just sharing a story and my perspective reading between the lines.
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“They do things differently in bourgeous bohemia….”
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Cockoldry is nothing new, it was a known issue in Roman times even when women had few freedoms compared to today. They had that custom of ‘exposing’ where a child was put in front of the husband and he could choose to accept it as his or reject it. He may have done it because the child wasn’t his or because he thought it looked sickly or whatever (e.g. it was female and he didn’t want another female child). In the case the child wasn’t his, I am not sure the woman would have suffered that bad a consequence and if they did divorced women could remarry fairly easily. With marriages without ‘manus’ i.e. the father controlled the woman’s fortune rather than the husband, there would be less incentive for the husband to make a big deal out of it.
Someone made the point the other day that in days gone past the children of ‘bad boy’ would have been left out to die and these days they are aborted so have little impact on the human race overall.
Sdealus also had something on her blog about in Victorian times in England (and presumably Ireland) how it could be quite common for a gentleman to have ‘an heir, a spare and someone else’s’ and he put up with it because no doubt he had children elsewhere, plus why bring social disrepute on yourself that you couldn’t keep your wife in line and separate the mother from your children. If it really was the third child, then it would make sense if linked to women not being naturally monagamous and reaching their sexual maturity later (bigger issue if there is a say 7+ years age difference between husband and wife).
And of course in caveman times, a woman would breed with different men, better spread of genes among progeny.
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Um, no. Reading comprehension?
[editor: re-read what you wrote.]
Boy, I thought I was advocating that men buy paternity tests if they damn well want them and don’t if they don’t. What’s powerless about that?
[you are advocating powerlessness by your argument that there is dignity in being duped by a cuckolding woman. and you neglect to address my counterargument that emotional blackmail and duress would serve to make the choice to request a paternity test at the moment of birth something less than an entirely free choice for the man, who after all, is biologically burdened with paternal uncertainty in a way women are not .]
Right, there are no winning strategies left for these losers. This point is starting to stick, good.
[if powerlessness mongers like you get their way, then yes, losers will have no winning strategies to turn to.]
Haha, where do you think a man’s irrational self-confidence comes from?
[there is no dignity in being a dupe.]
Accepting into his mind every truth about his station in life?
[irrational self confidence is a fine seduction attitude for attracting women, but in the question of paternity, as reagan said, trust but verify.]
Correct. So I wonder why you think dropping the price from $300 to $0 will alter that dynamic.
[if it’s mandatory, the decision is removed at the moment when requesting it would be under the greatest duress. mandatory means the man does not have to weigh the positive of confirming paternity versus the negative of arousing his wife’s or girlfriend’s irrational anger.]
Price aside, here’s how it would go down:
MPT world: the couple’s doctor asks the man privately a few months before the birth “do you want me to read you the results of the paternity test at the time of birth?” The man will need to say “yes” or “no”.
Non-MPT world: the man asks the doctor privately to do a DNA test at birth and notify him of the results. Or the man swabs his and the child’s cheeks and mails the sample to a DNA testing center.
Is the MPT world is obviously more comfortable for men? Probably not, but the law has an anti-whoring flavour, so that feels good. If that’s your goal, just say so.
[if anything, the law has a pro-whoring flavor. to answer your question, the MPT world would obviously be more comfortable for the man. it utterly strips any duress from the decision. with MPT, a wife cannot badger her husband to trust her, nor can she emotionally blackmail him with the full force of the divorce industrial complex working in her interest.]
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“the number of female teachers having sex is rising so high…maybe it’s just that they are being more easily caught now with technology”
No, it’s not rising; it was huge when I was in high school in the 1980s, and I heard stories from the older dudes in the neighborhood which made 70s high school lady teachers sound like something out of a Roger Corman movie. I got hit on by one of my teachers (after I graduated; so it woulda been legal), but didn’t see a point in boning an old lady.
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My personal suspicion on the recent spate of female teacher-male student hookups is that they’re becoming popular enough where many female teachers are starting to view teenage boys as higher value than they used to. After all, many of the female teachers getting involved in this are rather attractive, many men will vouch for that, so other females get competitive and decide, “Well, if that attractive woman is getting DHV from banging 17-year-old boys, there’s no reason I can’t too.”
Want to cure it? Publicize the crap out of the ugly ones and stop praising the pretty ones. That’ll kill it in no time.
As for the husband, he’s a tool. Nothing more. Honestly, I don’t even think he cares if “their” kids are his or not. Tepid sex in his case would imply that it’s at least defrosted; at this point, I think he’s lucky if she throws the meat out of the freezer for a few minutes before bludgeoning him upside the head with it, then making him feel guilty for not “appreciating” the frozen leftovers she so “graciously” provides.
Coincidentally, if you’re looking for a playful way to get your girl to stop fantasizing about sports stars or whatever, just say that the obese receptionist at work has a crush on him, too. Then mention all of the doilies she makes with his picture on it, the little shrine next to her monitor, how she gets involved in the office fantasy sports pools so she can draft “her guy” first, and on and on and on. Then, once you’re done with that, fart in her face, pee on her cat, and go to the bar.
Okay, don’t do that last sentence.
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How about for the guys wife who is obsessed with the sports star just starts talking about beautiful all the women he has banged are. “Wow, look at how hot Kate Hudson and Maddona (threw up in my mouth) are? He really gets top of the line pussy, doesn’t he?”
Of course this might makes his status seem even bigger in her eyes, but it just might show her how delusional she is?
On a side not, does “you ain’t got a chance in hell honey” ever work in regards to game? I feel I would be really good at this if it did.
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Is this not where the Om3ga is better than the Beta? At least the Om3ga can’t get women to notice him at all so he doesn’t have to worry about being cheated on nor plead that he loves his wife regardless. On the other hand, an Alpha would not only dump his wife but track down the students and bash them.
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I don’t advocate being duped by women.
[editor: in practice, you are.]
You are refusing to acknowledge that some men may accept being cuckolded but find some dignity in not admitting it to themselves.
[then as i said twice already to you, these “men” can request they not be notified of the paternity test results if they’d rather risk devoting 18 years of emotional and financial commitment to a child potentially not theirs.]
If anyone’s doing any duping, it’s the men to themselves. I say let them if they’re already in such sorry shape.
[blame the victim, eh?]
Likewise for asking to see the result under MPT when the doc strolls by with his clipboard and asks, “curious?”.
[not at all. mandatory means the test is a given. it does away with forcing the man to request the test under duress. this is what fembots and their water carriers like yourself want — voluntary paternity testing that practically guarantees millions of ego-fragile men will not demand when they have doubts about paternity. with mpt, the only choice the man has to concern himself with is whether to decline seeing the result. otherwise, he gets the information just like he would get information about his wife’s HIV status when that mandatory test is done.]
Does the need to be a sexy beast stop once your lady has a kid?
[is it brave, or stupid, to stand in the path of a speeding car?]
For those who don’t want to be cuckolded, I of course endorse trust but verify. For those who accept cuckolding as the price to pay for the partner they’ve got, maintaining self-confidence can only help them in the future.
[horrible thought process. better answer: men shouldn’t have to be put in the position of accepting cuckolding as the price to pay for a mate when there are perfectly feasible measures of self protection from such a calamity. anything less would be… uncivilized.]
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“M”: i’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you’re being deliberately obtuse. empathy time.
gedanken experiment:
imagine being asked to undergo a drug test by a company that requires such tests of all employees.
now imagine being asked to undergo exactly the same test by a company that doesn’t routinely conduct such tests but has singled you out for a “random” (in the company’s parlance) sample.
discuss the difference in implications, and the ramifications thereof for paternity testing.
roissy/editor:
the decision is removed at the moment when requesting it would be under the greatest duress
the duress is easily circumvented by anyone who is un-autistic enough to cloak the true purpose of the testing in a shroud of warm fuzzy misdirection.
for instance, just suggest getting one of these, as a celebration of the confluence of your two bloodlines, and see how she reacts. excited utterances don’t lie.
again — not rocket science, people.
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Victim? If a man is punching above his weight (even after considering personality-augmenting game), he has to compensate somewhere.
[editor: false premise. what makes you think cuckolds have punched above their weight? women will sleep around with dirtbags if the tingle hits them. and if they are punching above their weight, it is certainly grossly disproportionate punishment for doing so to have them unwittingly raise bastard spawn.]
There are no victims here, only tradeoffs.
[there are no rape victims here. only tradeoffs.]
You find this particular tradeoff almost incomprehensible.
[on the contrary, i find it eminently comprehensible, which is why my prescription bothers you so much.]
I find it ugly. Some men find it attractive relative to the alternatives.
[i doubt there are many men who would find cuckoldry attractive regardless of the alternatives.]
Sounds reasonable, but if shame/duress can make a man decline to ask for a test, it can make him decline to see the results of one.
[nah. the shame quotient is much lower to proactively decline results that are given to every father of newborns.]
Shouldn’t have to? What is this, happy wishy land?
[is basic, achievable fairness now the province of happy wishy land? perhaps we should do away with the criminal justice system while we’re at it.]
Back to reality, where obviously men do agree to this. Else voluntary paternity testing would be more popular. And I suspect that most cuckoldings occur after wifey has had a couple of legitimate kids, which further lessens the degree that calamity can altogether be avoided.
[any cuckoldry is bad cuckoldry. or: there ain’t degrees of rape.]
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What I find to be fascinating about the subject of mpt is the reaction it so often begets from females. They routinely react as if a strong, very important nerve bundle/instinct of theirs is being poked at by even the mention of the concept of mpt – and they do not like it.
A teaching moment if there ever was one, guys.
Just like I would react to the idea of putting a speed detecting chip in my Porsche. Because, hell yes, I do expect to violate lots of speed limits and I would prefer to get away with it.
[editor: precisely. when i see the pathetic arguments against mpt by women and their quisling beta suckups, i reach for my dna testing gun.]
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“I Love My Wife” is a slogan of the Promise Keepers, or some similar Evangelical movement. At least I think it is. In my red home state, it’s often seen on the vehicles that also sport anti-Darwin and -abortion bumper stickers.
[editor: well then that’s just more evidence that evangelicals need to get their heads out of their asses.]
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j-five,
yes I’m dull, but my primary point is not: some men voluntarily accept cuckolding. I’ve yet to see any MPT proponents acknowledge that.
[editor: the idea that there may be some fucked up weirdo cuckold fetishists out there is irrelevant to any discussion about mpt.]
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Judging from the photo of the guy (looks like a narrow reject from a Baywatch extras casting call) I’m guessing he’s gotten by on his looks his entire life and hadn’t needed any game. Until his wife started fu**ing one of her customers.
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@grerp
What exactly did she say she saw in him?
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Some footage of girls getting rid of social pressure:
If hasnt any of you met Pierre Woodman, he is a french guy who made a career by going to random (mostly eastern/central european) countries and inviting random 18+ girls into hotelrooms to have some “conversations with them” and castings for “photoshoots”. Anyways, the girls usually all freak out when they face the grim reality and learn they are not here to become the next topmodel, but to get fucked. Anyways, somewhat miraculously they all end up on their knees, putting on a smile and showing their asses into the cam. What happens next is Pierre uses his great talent of getting animal and fucking the shit outta of the chicks… and by the end, the girls tend to forget about all their reasons – and the world around them – and even the most resistant ones gratefully lick his balls, before he fucks them in the ass – usually for the first time for the girls, sometimes they are entirely virgins.
The video I wanna share here with you is about a 18 yo hungarian girl, who is invited to this “photoshoot”, as soon she learns about what the reason she is here for she states she wont ever do anything like this, then she talks about her boyfriend – they have been together for 2 years, they are engaged but havent ever had sex for that matter or seen each other naked (wtf?) – so she talks some about “I am from a better family” and “I’m not a whore”, she even grosses out when the abstract idea of giving a blowjob pops up.. then some cutting happens – probably some good money change hands – and the next thing we see is this guy pumping this yet virgin girl (he has got a hellofa nice tech for pulling the girls on a sensual peak, it has to be noted) and as you can see for yourself the girl enjoys it probably more than she did ever enjoy anything her entire life. She says through the video in a sweet lovely tone to Pierre “oh kiss me” and wholeheartedly “I love you, Pierre” by the end.
You should take these groundbreaking conclusions watching it for yourself:
http://video.xnxx.com/video426109/eva_private_castings
no subs tho. Actually the girl later on became a porn actress, I wonder how “social” is this activity or if it turns the big wheel to a good direction, but tells a lot about human nature and what women want for real for sure..
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Female Lying In:
Translation Machine Out:
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Jayz,
I’m not sure what he would classify as anymore. He certainly doesn’t take shit from anyone, including me. However, he would never employ any of the manipulative techniques I read in this blog.
What makes you think I need to have a gaggle of girlfriends to go out and observe human nature? Unless by “go out” you mean attend bars/parties where alcoholic beverages are served, in which case that’s not my scene.
Cap’n Bob,
I don’t disapprove of men learning about women and human nature in order to gain confidence in themselves, just not at the expense of intently making other people feel bad about themselves. I read here about how women are so manipulative, catty, amoral, hurtful, full of shit, and vicious but how are the men really any better with their endless bags of emotional mind games?
I just don’t think a life of constantly trying to keep someone that you’re supposed to love down below you will make for a very healthy society.
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[editor: the idea that there may be some fucked up weirdo cuckold fetishists out there is irrelevant to any discussion about mpt.]
I wonder how the hell that gene got passed on…
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[any cuckoldry is bad cuckoldry. or: there ain’t degrees of rape.]
I heard that women secretly wants to be raped by alphas cause they can’t be blamed for that intercourse.
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For an entirely different reaction, look at the Eric McLean murder trial in Knoxville, TN. After 18 year old Sean Powell was shot and killed by the husband of the high school teacher with whom he was having an affair (while parked in the driveway of the McLean home), Eric McLean was convicted of reckless homicide and sentenced to less than 2 months in prison.
While awaiting trial, McLean divorced his wife, and after serving his prison sentence, sought and gained primary custody of their 2 children while his ex-wife was ordered to pay child support.
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Feminists are always on about equality and protecting themselves with laws so broad they tar every male and every situation with the same brush. They dilute the definition of sexual assault until it’s meaningless. Strip men of rights in divorce.
But when men ask for something simple – MPT – which seems as sensible as asking for a blood test, they go ape. It’s a total character test for women, and as a group they fail.
The implication is that women can’t be trusted. They feign resentment at this.
Actually, it’s just a power scramble. Women can get away with cuckolding their husband now by browbeating him into accepting the situation. As if paternity made no difference.
And what BS is M’s argument, this shibboleth: Just because a small percentage of losers would tolerate being utterly tooled by a manipulative whore, this means the rest of us should have to force a test on our wives in the moment of birth? Yet more damned reasons not to have kids. Fuck, these women can’t even think themselves out of a torn paper bag.
I think feminists actually think men are retarded.
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@Gotzon
[any cuckoldry is bad cuckoldry. or: there ain’t degrees of rape.]
I heard that women secretly wants to be raped by alphas cause they can’t be blamed for that intercourse.
Rape: when it’s a man they tingle for, it’s not rape. It’s only rape if it’s anyone else.
I have no idea how many women I’ve been with who have had rape fantasies and had me play them out. I think, … all of them. Some of them were hard core.
They never, ever came so hard as when they asked me to do it.
Sexual Harassment: Sexual advances from a man a woman doesn’t find attractive.
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roissy: cuckholding sucks
betabutthexfanboy cuckholdi9ng rocks more than butthex!!
roissy: cuckholding sucks
betabutthexfanboy cuckholdi9ng rocks more than butthex!!roissy: cuckholding sucks
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betabutthexfanboy cuckholdi9ng rocks more than butthex!!roissy: cuckholding sucks
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i think i’m gonna haveta agree with roissy on this one
case closed
ervyon e can go back 2 playing their xboxes in their single mom’s basements lzozllzlzll who cuckholded your betadad zlzozlzllzlzl ever wonder why you’re a loser? lozozlzlzlzlzl
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“…the pity born of hate.”
Shouldn’t this be inverted?
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@Lily
Sdealus also had something on her blog about in Victorian times in England (and presumably Ireland) how it could be quite common for a gentleman to have ‘an heir, a spare and someone else’s’ and he put up with it because no doubt he had children elsewhere, plus why bring social disrepute on yourself that you couldn’t keep your wife in line and separate the mother from your children
I wasn’t advocating it, and it was not universal, nor did it happen in the majority of aristocratic marriages, but it did happen. The paternity of a lot of 18th and 19th century aristocrats was in serious doubt, to take some examples relevant to someone who has been discussed before on this blog, the paternity of Winston Churchill’s wife and brother was a big talking point in Victorian society.
Another example would be the 19th century Prime Minister Lord Melbourne, no one was quite sure who was his father, or that of his wife Lady Caroline Lamb, indeed there was a certain possibility they might even have been half-brother & sister. Also, some husbands took it better than others, although they usually covered up for their wives.
I can’t for the life of me see why anyone would have a problem with paternity testing. Obviously though mistakes are sometimes made in laboratories (lab assistants are not infallible, and sometimes get distracted) so I think there should be a right to a second test just to be sure.
Re Johnny Five’s cunning suggestion of an ancestral dna test on the child, I think a smart woman would be smart enough to call bluff here, there is very little (other than paternity) that can be obtained from a dna test on the child that can’t be ascertained from the parent (maybe racial admixture in the individual child, but this is only relevant in african-american or racially mixed couples)
If it really was the third child, then it would make sense if linked to women not being naturally monagamous and reaching their sexual maturity later (bigger issue if there is a say 7+ years age difference between husband and wife).
This is an interesting point, subject to the qualification that not all husbands thought this way. For example the husband of Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire (as in the film) had no problem having his own illegitimate children brought up as part of his nursery but took extreme objection to Georgiana’s child (a daughter btw) being so brought up. She was adopted by a member of her father’s family instead. By the 19th century the trend was more for covering it up, husbands either divorced, or shut up.
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Simpleman,
I’m not the game expert the guys who have already responded are, but I did have a similar experience with my own wife and teasing really worked. To be honest, at the time I just teased her because she was being annoying and I thought it was funny, but based on the feedback you have already gotten I must have stumbled into halfway solid game principles.
I think the key is that whatever you do it has to really be funny to you. If it doesn’t make you laugh, the bitterness you mentioned will show through. Humor style is really personal, so it is hard to tell someone else how to be funny. But here are some thoughts:
You: Hey, your athlete boy is on the news! Come see!
Her: Who? You mean (name of athlete boy)?
You: Yeah, him!
Her: (sensing a trap, but still intrigued): Really?
You (absolute deadpan inflection with huge shit eating grin she can’t see until she enters the room): Seriously! You don’t want to miss this. He’s got a home game tonight and is going to give it 110%! Man that guy is amazing!
Or (around her brother or another guy or guys willing to tease her)
You (to the other guy(s), mock deep voice like discussing the superbowl, small block chevys, favorite ammo, etc. Stark contrast between male inflection and the teenie girl words you are saying): Have you seen [athlete boy]? That guy is really dreamy. I mean, he’s like a total dreamboat. [casually sips beer] (If he is sharp, the two of you can riff this from here, especially once they see her getting pissed off.)
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Borgore,
That video was impressive, and the girl was gorgeous, and I agree about Pierre’s technique, but I call bullshit on the girl’s being a virgin, unless she is one of those messed-up religious girls who will take it up the ass, get finger-fucked, and give blowjobs and still call herself a virgin. Way too much of a comfort level there.
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Borgore,
To clarify — it’s not that I don’t think it’s possible for someone like Woodman to seduce a real virgin with no sexual experience and get all the way to fifth base in the first session. That is definitely possible because some girls will completely melt the first time a man gives them an orgasm. But the absence of blood, the easy butthex receptivity, and the BJ technique all indicate an experienced girl (though not so experienced she wasn’t totally into it, I don’t think the O’s were faked).
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Where the hell were all these teachers when I was in high school?!
This “man” needs a serious intervention. There should be some clause in marriage contracts that states that if the man’s two best friends agree, he has to divorce the bitch.
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To break it down for Kevin, this here’s your wife, dude. Da truth only hurts once.
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I don’t think this is anything new. Most teenage boys are attracted to adult women. Isn’t this kind of every young boy’s dream? Having said that, I think most of these women are unbelievably insecure with some serious boundaries issues. The guy’s problem is denial coupled with complete lack of self-respect. Creepy.
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Yakima was always called “Easy Valley”: highest teen pregnancy rate in the state when I was in high school
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Simple matter of fact is that women never taught young men, period.
Its a modern phenomenon.
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@ sdaedalus
Re Johnny Five’s cunning suggestion of an ancestral dna test on the child, I think a smart woman would be smart enough to call bluff here, there is very little (other than paternity) that can be obtained from a dna test on the child that can’t be ascertained from the parent
i think you misunderstand. click the link — it’s the chromatographic dna fingerprint as art, meant to be hung on the wall.
the art is actually quite attractive, even if one lacks a scientific bent; this would be a beautiful ploy in more ways than one.
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Sorry. I underestimated your cunning I see.
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@ Translation Machine
“Female Lying In:
Overall, taking into account looks, class, status, money etc, the husband is about a 3 or 4 and the wife is an 8 (these numbers also correlate in terms of looks only). She is also about 9 years younger than him. She ‘could have done a lot better’ than him but she wanted to get married when she was 21 and there aren’t too many guys that age who want to get married.
Translation Machine Out:
Even though she was only 21, she already had a reputation as a crazy, and I mean INSANE, slut, and no man of any status would tolerate her. So she had to marry a complete loser, and even then, he demanded a downpayment on a house to even marry the crazy *bleep*.”
No that wasn’t the case at all, if it had I would have mentioned it. She wanted to get married and have babies. I can’t remember her exact sexual history but nothing comes to mind, maybe one or two boyfriends before she got married to him (plenty a few years later after they got married but that’s a different story..).
He certainly didn’t demand a downpayment on the house to marry her, I think he’d probably have expected them to live in a council house.
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Usually voluntary cuckolds have, and for obvious reasons.
[editor: you keep banging on about this voluntary cuckold theory of yours. in real life, there are vanishingly few men who would acquiesce to some kind of cuckold/guaranteed sexual access agreement. one, most men don’t think in those terms, and two, cuckolds are rarely trading the raising of bastardy for sex with babes much higher than them in market value. most cuckolds are getting cuckolded by women exactly at their level or below.]
Men buy women rings, houses, vacations, and cars to redress imbalances. Why not add bastard spawn to the tab?
[there is a difference in kind, not degree, between the buying of baubles and 18 years of indentured servitude to genetically unrelated sprogs. for one, there are no legal ramifications if he decides to return the diamond earrings.]
The difference in price is merely of magnitude, not of kind. Think that through carefully — I’m not making a sloppy “forgot about the genes” argument.
[incorrect. men buy stuff for women with all information available to them. cuckolds are dupes. there is no comparison.]
Of course not. They find it attractive in the teeth of the alternatives, which I made clear. Slippery, slippery fish.
[if a man agrees to marry a women already with children, then he is not a cuckold. if he agrees to marry a woman who has informed him in no uncertain terms that she will cheat on him in the future and have a child by another man, then he is going into the relationship with eyes wide open. to call a weirdo loser like that a cuckold would be stretching the definition to the breaking point. and such a loser can still request that MPT results are kept hidden from him. nonetheless, rare freak exceptions like that should in no way have any relevance to the inherent fairness of MPT.]
It’s only rape if the cuckolds don’t agree. Again, you refuse to acknowledge the voluntary angle.
[“volunteering” to be a cuckold is not being a cuckold.]
You may be right. But then, I never thought it would be a big deal to phone the doc 3 months before delivery and put a paternity test on the agenda. No need for the wife to know and certainly no need to demand it while in the delivery room.
[as a practical matter, the law as it is today is very pro-whore. MPT is anti-whore. it will bring much needed balance to the force. this is why women and emasculated men used to begging for pussy table scraps shriek like little girls when the subject of MPT comes up.]
Gee if every cuckold is a dupe, we might as well assume any man who marries a woman who already has a kid is also a dupe.
[don’t play dumb. your semantical ledgerdemain is tiresome.]
The consequences are so dire, the choice can’t possibly have been made of free will, right? And yet… reality intrudes.
[the reality is that MPT will prevent a lot of good-hearted trusting betas from being duped into raising another man’s bastard child. which is why it scares the shit out of feminists.]
Never said it was relevant, so that’s easy to agree with.
[you write like anony. i should check some of these IPs. might explain a lot.]
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“the term “white knight” is racist against white people. it associates a negative image with an exclusive descriptor.”
Nah. Since everyone knows the white man’s history of aggression and oppression against non-whites, this expression is racist against non-whites since it attempts to erase that history of oppression by attaching benign, chivalrous characteristics to white people.
[See how easy it is to be an Ethnic Studies academic?]
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“Teacher” is an anagram of “cheater.”
Coincidence?
Well… yeah.
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GBFM- the line about “getting your virginity back is genius”. I have a feeling a girl I know may ask me that soon. The look on her face is going to be priceless.
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@J
What exactly did she say she saw in him?
Just the usual: that she felt they had a real connection, and that he wasn’t really a thug, he was just – essentially – misunderstood. She felt that the papers he wrote for her class had sort of a hidden code expressing his interest in her. And, of course, he was so sexy, etc.
It was awhile ago, and I’ve suppressed most of the details probably because I found the whole thing so disturbing.
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White Knights had a lot of appeal when women were property. But that ship sailed long ago….
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“Stockholm Syndrome.”
Bingo. So much betatude can be boiled down to one sentence. “Baby, please don’t cry.”
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Step 1. Start a community college
Step 2. Hire these slutty teachers
Step 3. Profit
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So a 7-8, who was 21 years old, no children, with a partner count of 2-3, and parents willing to pay for the house….. had to go down four points in looks and four points status to find someone willing to marry her.
Was she pregnant when she got married? Is “his” first kid his either?
That actually would explain it to. Hm, hadn’t thought of that one.
But, kiddo, you explanation if *bleep*.
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R and C are the dudes!
I am dealing with a lost soul gamma white knight type, he just just does under-effing-sstand. he is showing me he is a total a-hole and liar.
He thinks he is sweet, and just and right…Sigh, I sent him here, I sent him to other women my weak attempt at geting rid of him. The only way to ditch him is to….well….I gotta get him hired by someone else……
Anyways: “Not to mention the stacked deck against men that is the man-hating divorce industry.
Quick to forgive, is the beta. In his forgiveness, he expects redemption and gratitude. Even renewed love. But instead he gets contempt, the pity born of hate”.
eaxactly!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN A MAN DOES THIS HE GETS MY HATE AND CONTEMPT. I CANNOT LOVE OR RESPECT A MAN WHO ACTS THIS farting weak. ITS THE WEAKNESS WE HATE.
Amen and excellent class R (&C)!
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this is getting a mention at my blog and I am pairing it with the below blog item too. about men trying too hard! I have to “help” my lost soul gamma bro’s. and I am growing tired of listening to the girlfreinds around me bitch about their creepiness factor..
look guys, women are elephants we never ever forget a damn thing. you do not need to recall anything! just stop boring us!
LP9
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@grerp
Wow, that’s just creepy.
I’ve done a lot of work with adolescents and have been the object of some crushes, but I can’t imagine an adult woman reciprocating those feelings. When the girls would confide to me that they thought a particular boy was hot, I would find it pretty hard to emphathize. I mean I remember being attracted to teenage boys when I was teenager. I just can’t remember why. They seem so unfinished to me.
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Once you stop taking shit from women, the world is your oyster my friend. A fishyfish smelling delicious oyster of joy.
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Legislation Won’t Close Gender Gap in Sciences
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I wish my female teachers were that slutty when I was in high school. Damn. I would have loved to have fucked a few of my teachers. They certainly became part of my many teenage masturbation fantasies.
Notice her man-jaw. More evidence to add to the Roissy theory about female’s with man jaws who love to fuck.
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@Dat_Truth_Hurts
Legislation Won’t Close Gender Gap in Sciences
I think there’s a lot of truth in that. And it’s not just science or maths. For example, why more women don’t go into politics. Politicians seem to think that things like ‘all women shortlists’ and such will solve it or help in the shortterm, but actually it’s arguably to do with politics isn’t very family friendly in hours and the adversaral aspect (as opposed to compromise etc) isn’t appealing to women.
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@Translation_Machine
Actually she was pregnant with the first child before they got married, otherwise I don’t think he’d have married her either. It doesn’t really matter what a girl looks like or what she has in overall ‘status’, it is practically impossible for a girl to get married at 21 where I come from. I am not sure he realised at that point how generous her parents would be, but they didn’t want either her or their grandchild living in a council house.
I think there may be a difference between the US and the UK in this regard (marriage at young ages) because from films (sorry, I’ve only been to the US a few times not lived there) I get the impression that a college years LTR may often lead to early marriage but this is highly unusual here. I can’t think of many from the media and the only one I know personally is where the guy was from the US so they got married for him to get a visa here, and they didn’t even bother mentioning to many people they were married rather than bf/gf. I think in the last say 15/20 years, the only people who would get married at 20 are either very upper class or very lower class and now even those would on the whole not.
The first child is definitely his.
I was a bit unfair to him as I think he would have been considered a good catch in the socio-economic, maybe even considered a 6 overall. He’s a skilled tradesman. So he’s not exactly a complete loser as you said. But certainly he did better than if he’d married someone from the same socio-economic class as him (and if Harry Enfield, Little Britain etc is to be believed then he’d have ended up with a later kid that may have not even have been the same colour as him).
I think M is right that there are some guys that wouldn’t want to actually want to have it spelt out in black and white. They don’t necessarily have a ‘cuckolding fetish’. Particularly as it seems reading between the lines that cuckoldry happens later than earlier in the marriage so they may overall have a happyish marriage and they don’t want to lose seeing their earlier biological kids on a daily basis.
Sure Roissy and some others wouldn’t identify with that but I cannot identify with women who would cuckold their husbands nor women who would try and force divisions between their children and the father of the children on divorce. I just can’t. But doesn’t mean it’s not prevalent.
However, I am very much in favour of mandatory paternity testing. And as Roissy says, the doctor can always ask the man and he could refuse. So a self-deluding man could always say ‘no thanks, that’s like saying i don’t trust my wife’ or whatever.
And as J says not only does it help with the child’s health (as I said) but it helps with their rights to be financially supported by the man who is their biological father. So arguably one of the groups who would suffer most would be ‘pump and dump’ type men (in the UK, afrocaribbean men are thought to be the main culprits but if this blog and Rooshv’s to be believed, PUA types).
Sure, the ‘pumpers and dumpers’ can go on about birth control, abortion (whilst at the same time railing about women who have abortions), gatekeepers whatever. But if they are not willing to take the risk of paying for a child they may have conceived, they should either have a vasectomy or not have sex with women they don’t want as the mother of their child. Or take a risk knowing the potential consequences. I’m certainly not in favour of paying for their irresponsible sex (via welfare).
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Mandatory Paternity Testing, yes! That and the 2nd Amendment are things we must have!
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what would your advice be if a man found out that his wife is whoring around or about to do so?
Remember that her acting like a moral black hole need not mean the court will view you with sympathy. Perhaps they will give her the kids, the house and your labor anyway. And if she’s sleeping around, she might divorce you next anyway.
So you might want to contact a fine divorce lawyer and build a tight case while you at least have an information advantage. Be cool.
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@Gorbachev:
How sad for society. Absolute Female Freedom and Hypergamy = Social Decay and Slow Death.
How sad that feminists don’t see this.
It ain’t just feminists. Its lefties of all stripes, plus a large number of the middle class as a whole. Very few people see this connection, unfortunately.
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M’s arguments, like all arguments against mandatory testing, are incredibly specious. There may be some theoretical subset of men who would consciously prefer to be left in the dark about paternity, but my guess is that they represent substantially less than 1% of the population. Letting that tiny tail wag the do is idiotic.
Second, a man demanding a paternity test at the moment of birth is basically asking for a divorce at some point, because the marriage will never work after that. And he can’t “secretly” or “privately” ask the doctor for any sort of test. The doctor can’t do that without the mother’s consent, and most white knighting doctors wouldn’t do it even if they could. The doctor is “her” doctor, not his.
He would have to wait, secretly swab it, send it away, and in the process make misrepresentations to the testing agency about having consent of the mother. And, if he did that, it would probably be too late because he would have already signed the birth certificate and all that. On top of that, he would have to figure out a way to do this without having it appear on his credit card statement (hint to the curious, I suggest buying a money order from 7 eleven).
There is no other way besides universal testing, and if done in all cases the cost would drop pretty quickly to something less than $100.
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Welcome to the magic of the female thought process. When rationalization for the emotionally chosen outcome fails, use dissimulation. If that fails evade the question and repeat.
What women often fail to realize is how incredibly boner killing it is to partake of social discourse with self tarding reality haters.
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Here is how it works. If a woman is in a position relative to you where she doesn’t care if she is making your dick soft, ignore her. Hangup, disengage, or throw her out the door if you have to.
Because she serves no purpose.
At the very least, stop all conversation and put her back to work.
If she is not being of value, and is not sucking up to you, why would you spend any time talking to a woman?
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Hey, women – is beauty a social construct? How about fatness?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Women are so stupid they are insane.
If you aren’t fucking em, or they aren’t somehow giving you labor ignore em. Let em gossip amongst themselves. Live outside any legal system they can muster against you.
Get a passport and fuck em.
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@xsplat
If you aren’t fucking em, or they aren’t somehow giving you labor ignore em. Let em gossip amongst themselves. Live outside any legal system they can muster against you.
Get a passport and fuck em.
If a guy was 20-30 with a portable career, it’s great. I’d say Go East, of course. Probably so would xsplat. And Walawala.
If you want to settle down at home, bring Ms. Better home with you.
Every available young man should do this. Really, just leave the Harridan western women to their own devices. They seem to have everything under control. Get all the Alpha they can share, and settle for all the beta they can swindle.
When under pressure, bail.
Of course, … I’m here, so who am I to talk.
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MPT
I told a buddy about this debate over beer, and the specious argument by M, the female commenter.
He told me a story.
About 5 years ago his cousin in the Midwest and the wife are having a baby (mid-30’s). They tried to get pregnant for a year. They’re 3 months along. Cousin has some genetic risk of something or other (no idea what), wants to make sure the baby is safe from it. Doctor says they can do a full genetic workup when the baby is born. No problems with the baby up to that point.
She quietly wants to get an abortion: even though the health is good, suddenly, she’s not ready to have a baby. She worries about genetic risks. Their lifestyle, etc. She’s really insistent. Now she’s worried that they’re not really ready.
He convinces her he loves her and this is what they looked forward to for so long. She’s just nervous. She settles into it. Flash forward: Baby is born, they’re happy, baby seems fine, their life is ahead of them. All happy. Friends and family.
Doctor – automatically, not even needing any suggestion – checks out baby’s genetics just to make sure, because of genetic risk.
The baby is fine. It’s not his, of course.
Husband was unbelievably hurt. Wife tried to explain, but she obviously strongly suspected it wasn’t his all along and got caught deceiving him about it. That’s what got the guy most angry about it all, and he divorced after 8 years of marriage, never took any responsibility for the kid. She got totally shafted in the divorce, too, left with nothing and shamed in front of everyone she knew.
That’s how it’s supposed to work. Women who do that should be utterly ruined.
But that’s not the interesting part.
What did the doctor say?
The doctor said: It happens all the time, it wasn’t uncommon at all. As a male doctor, he frequently checked the paternity of children as a matter of course, whenever there’s a chance, and always immediately reports it to the husband if it’s not his.
We need more doctors like that.
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“As a male doctor, he frequently checked the paternity of children as a matter of course, whenever there’s a chance, and always immediately reports it to the husband if it’s not his.”
From what I’ve read, that would be a very uncommon doctor.
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Gorbachev wrote: “The doctor said: It happens all the time, it wasn’t uncommon at all. As a male doctor, he frequently checked the paternity of children as a matter of course, whenever there’s a chance, and always immediately reports it to the husband if it’s not his.
We need more doctors like that.”
Damn straight!!! He should a state named after him! (I exaggerate, but… damn it, men everywhere will gladly pay healthcare insurance, whatever the premium, or just outrageous medical bills for doctors like that!)
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Oh, P.S.
Mandatory Paternity Testing!
Mandatory Paternity Testing!
Mandatory Paternity Testing!
Mandatory Paternity Testing!
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@Anon
“As a male doctor, he frequently checked the paternity of children as a matter of course, whenever there’s a chance, and always immediately reports it to the husband if it’s not his.”
From what I’ve read, that would be a very uncommon doctor.
@Anonymous
We need more doctors like that.”
Damn straight!!! He should a state named after him! (I exaggerate, but… damn it, men everywhere will gladly pay healthcare insurance, whatever the premium, or just outrageous medical bills for doctors like that!
A *very* uncommon doctor. I didn’t know whether to believe the story, but by friend says it’s true; he’s never lied to me before. I actually thought this was illegal – or unethical – but my buddy says he got it from the source. I personally know some male doctors who would likely do this as a matter of principle, if they could get away with it. I’ll ask a few some day.
Who knows what happens in the midwest. Here (east coast), if a woman did this, she could get over it pretty easily, and might even get a high-five or sympathy. In some Midwestern places I’ve been, she’d be lucky not to be tarred in public and paraded about as a social pariah. Or is that just the movies?
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I agree about MPT. But although paternity testing is necessary to seal the deal legally, in most cases you can do pretty well with a little knowledge of genetics (which traits are dominant and recessive) and acquaintance with the family members of both parents.
It is hypothesized that men with recessive traits such as blond hair and blue eyes show a preference for women with the same traits because it is much easier to recognize an interloper’s genes.
What surprises me is that women are so willing to cheat, given the large chance that a baby will clearly resemble someone other than her husband, or have some trait impossible to get from the husband (such as brown eyes when husband and wife both have blue eyes). There will be some husbands who are such wimps that they can’t bring themselves to even contemplate the possibility the kid isn’t theirs, but most cheated-on husbands will be capable of noticing.
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A note on your comment about teens learning game a bit earlier then previous generations. I started picking up on this when I was 17, 19 now and just swooping all kinds of late 20-early 30s married women. Shits too easy when their husbands sit down when they pee.
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gorbachev:
Get all the Alpha they can share, and settle for all the beta they can swindle.
this strategy is not new.
fill-in-the-blank time:
the resurgence of this reproductive strategy is in no small part due to the marginalization of patriarchal _______, which had long provided a powerful and easily internalized, if simplistic, check on women’s sexual hypergamy.
hint: it rhymes with “pidgin”.
i couldn’t resist.
in other news, i apologize for my shameless exploitation of your (mis)deeds in countering mr. happy’s ill-informed points on the other thread.
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Sniper and M sound like Anony sockpuppets. Guess this time she put a different e-mail so we couldn’t see the gravatar. Or do all cuckholding whores sound equal?
I don’t get that kind of supplicants. They are NOT getting sex anyways so they should at least conserve their dignity. But then I can’t remember the last time that I felt something for a hot chick besides a desire to pork her.
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First, “greatbooksformen” is a drain on this board and should be banned. I have to skip with contempt his nonsensical posts and it just brings an overall trashy feel to this blog.
Second, I hope you’re right that the guy is covering up his own banging of 15 year old students. That would at least make some sort of rational sense.
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Firepower, you are sarcasticus gradus majoris hehe.
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haha, soo wrong thread.
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..dont be nervous
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due to US Federal Equal Employment Opportunity requirements, the EEOC demands Chatueax Inc. keep one female on staff with a meaty, five inch clitoris.
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Well, my whole day was shit, so im not to bothered.
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