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Study Confirming My View Of The Job-Sexual Marketplace Nexus

June 18, 2010 by CH

Apropos yesterday’s post:

This paper examines the extent to which human capital and career decisions are affected by their potential returns in the marriage market. Although schooling and career decisions often are made before getting married, these decisions are likely to affect the future chances of receiving a marriage offer, the type of offer, and the probability of getting divorced. Therefore, I estimate a forward‐looking model of the marriage and career decisions of young men between the ages of 16 and 39. The results show that if there were no returns to career choices in the marriage market, men would tend to work less, study less, and choose blue‐collar jobs over white‐collar jobs. These findings suggest that the existing literature underestimates the true returns to human capital investments by ignoring their returns in the marriage market.

Source: “Marriage and Career: The Dynamic Decisions of Young Men” from “Journal of Human Capital”

You can read more here.

I am proven right once again. There are radical sexual marketplace consequences from the integration of women into the workforce. The sexual market is not a positive sum game. Economically empowered women curse themselves with a smaller dating pool of acceptable men, because female hypergamy adjusts itself relative to the status of the woman. This explains why we see the absurd phenomenon of ugly, aging, unmarried bitter lawyer cunts refusing to settle. Once millions of women are working at the same or higher level as working men, those men — who in the past could count on their worker drone jobs to give them enough status over women to sexually attract them — see their sexual market leverage decrease as a consequence of immutable female hypergamy.

Result: men turning away from the drudgery of building careers as a surefire investment strategy for acquiring pussy. The ROI of a corporate 9 to 5er is decreasing rapidly, and men are beginning to catch onto this.

Prediction: as long as women remain a large and growing segment of the white collar job market, men will continue to “drop out”. Replacement strategies for men include:

– prostitution (with concomitant calls for legalization)
– sexbots/3D porn
– video gaming
– growth of high paying blue collar trade jobs that women studiously avoid
– thuggishness
– game and assorted pickup strategies. (i.e. the birth of the “alpha mimicry market”.)

There are now more beta and omega male losers than ever before thanks to the whittling away of men’s traditional route to status through work. (Note: reproductive success does not equal sexual market success. While less promiscuous “betas” — and I use quotes to imply that promiscuity is not necessarily a defining characteristic of alphaness — may have more children on average than more promiscuous “alphas”, the timing of those childbirths are the relevant variable. A beta who goes his entire 20s and maybe even his 30s watching from the sidelines as the young hot babes ride the alpha bang bus is going to find cold comfort once that rode worn and tossed away wet former hottie deigns to settle for him in her waning 30s in order to pop out a couple kids before she well and truly hits the wall headlong.)

I can’t say when the breaking point in such an unstable system occurs, or how it will occur, but it will happen, sooner or later. Unlimited Third World immigration, of course, only exacerbates this inherent instability. I think betas and omegas would do themselves much good if they jettisoned their antiquated morality, kicked out the legs from the pedestals they raise women onto, and turned to the task of learning how to give women exactly what they crave — male dominance and high status through game. That way, they can enjoy not just reproductive success with cougars, but sexual success with kittens.

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  1. on June 18, 2010 at 11:02 am Anonymous

    frist!!!

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  2. on June 18, 2010 at 11:05 am kaikou

    Reproductive success with cougars vs sexual success with kittens?

    Can someone explain?

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  3. on June 18, 2010 at 11:08 am Cauthon

    The guy who writes that badasekuyo blog references game literature a lot, and he’s online buds with Tyler Cowen. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s read this blog before.

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  4. on June 18, 2010 at 11:08 am The Truth

    Nature will sort this out. It will take one alpha tyrant to make an impact big enough (think Genghis Khan etc) to get the little girls back in their place.

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  5. on June 18, 2010 at 11:14 am Ulysses

    Don’t forget the aging divorcées who are refusing to settle. Also can’t believe you haven’t touched on this paean to Brian Austin Green’s obvious game.

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  6. on June 18, 2010 at 11:21 am sayed

    your theory is very obvious and does nt need a study to prove

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  7. on June 18, 2010 at 11:28 am biktopia

    For the all the firsters out there.

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  8. on June 18, 2010 at 11:30 am Gorbachev

    @kaikou

    Reproductive success with cougars vs sexual success with kittens?
    Can someone explain?

    Having babies w / 30-40 year old women versus having babies with 20-28 year-old hotties.

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  9. on June 18, 2010 at 11:32 am biktopia

    Sorry wrong link, I ment this one…

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  10. on June 18, 2010 at 11:32 am Balzac

    I feel better about my career choices already! Err, I think . . . .

    I guess the point is that your job doesn’t mean as much to women as it used to (and it probably never meant as much as you thought it did, for good or bad).

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  11. on June 18, 2010 at 11:34 am Willy

    Bravo. Penetrating insights it seems only Roissy can bestow.

    I do miss the old name though.

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  12. on June 18, 2010 at 11:45 am The Rookie

    How do I explain all this to my parents when they find out I don’t want to work as much as I used to?

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  13. on June 18, 2010 at 11:53 am The Truth

    I work for myself. I want to be rich and successful. Disregard females, acquire currency”.

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  14. on June 18, 2010 at 11:56 am ahappinessexperiment

    another replacement strategy: emigration. an american with some income in latin america or eastern europe will have a lot more status than in the US. also, the prostitutes are hot and cheap.

    legalizing prostitution in the US wouldn’t make much difference because they are either going to be ugly or unaffordable.

    @Cauthon, Tyler Cowen has already posted about this blog and called it “evil”.

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  15. on June 18, 2010 at 11:57 am Willy Wonka

    Man… fuck the white collar job market.

    I don’t give a shit about most of the jobs I see posted places… I haven’t even made an effort to look for work.

    It’s all bullshit out there…

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  16. on June 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm DoesNotMatter

    This David Alexander Fellow! Is he for real? Does he really exist. I don’t believe it. I know lots of loser guys but never one who admits it, talks about it, displays it (rather, flaunts it). This guy embraces it. How can he put himself up on display like this? How can anyone be so defeatist and still carry on? The guy seems depressed and suicidal. Nobody can go on like this. Such a guy cannot possibly exist. Roissy! Is this guy your creation? This guy writes stuff the exact opposite of what you write. You two seem to be polar opposite. Damn! David Alexander is definitely your creation….It boggles my mind! How can such a guy exist…… My head hurts even contemplating this kind of defeatism….. In order to stop my head from hurting I have to believe you created this fella!

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  17. on June 18, 2010 at 12:18 pm too late for romance

    If anyone has a problem with your career choices, my advice is to remind them that money has no smell.

    Governments and the wealthy have no problems taking money from anyone and anything they can. Why should you?

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  18. on June 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm Lexington Green

    Here is the link to the paper cited:

    http://economics.huji.ac.il/facultye/gould/Gould_JHC%202009.pdf

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  19. on June 18, 2010 at 12:30 pm Mr. N

    This was a problem in the old American West. Why settle and build civilization when you can go out with a musket and shoot enough food for a month in one shot?

    The French experimented with importing prostitutes and girls of low moral character but who would want to settle down with women like that.

    The French after figuring women’s prisons weren’t the place to look for brides to settle down these nomadic, adventerous men recruited brides in convents and orphanages.

    The 23 girls from the ship Pelican became the mothers of Mobile, Alabama.

    Jean Baptist Colbert brought 775 women to Quebec and then forbid all fur trading until all these women were married.

    The English settlers took a different route. Many of the young men who survived the indentured servitude secured their own female indentured servants. A small number of other former indentured servants took wives from among the natives. (I’ve read somewhere that this is what gave the English immunities to New World diseases.)

    It was men who built civilization, but it was the women who gave them a reason to build it. Why invest in the future if you have no children whom to benefit from that investment. Especially if securing your personal needs in this fertile world was so easy.

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  20. on June 18, 2010 at 12:37 pm Mr. Marquee

    I hate when dudes work there ass of thinking that having a “good” job like a doctor or lawyer will help them smash more chicks. NEVER.

    When you tell some golddigging chick that you’re a doctor, she says, “wow, very impressive,” but what she’s really thinking is “wow, i bet i can trick this loser into buying me a new purse.”

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  21. on June 18, 2010 at 12:40 pm kaikou

    @ Gorb

    That’s what I thought. Why would you guys want older women to have your babies?

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  22. on June 18, 2010 at 1:02 pm Thor

    There is a little two-person game that can be
    played. Think of it as played with a stack of
    3by5 cards.

    The “dealer” takes the stack, and determines
    how many cards to use.

    He then writes a number on one side of each card.
    He may use any (real) number, but to keep it simple,
    let’s limit him to 10 decimals, and any number of digits
    before the decimal point. Negatives are OK.
    The only restriction is that no two numbers are equal,
    and that they are written clearly so that it is easy to
    determine which one is larger (closer to plus infinity).

    Thus, he can produce any set of implausible numbers,
    of varying size, clustered, distributed, whatever.

    Then, the dealer does an HONEST shuffle.

    The PLAYER then withdraws one card at the time.
    At any card, he may STOP, and keep the card, OR
    KEEP going, tossing the card and going for the next one.

    OBJECTIVE: Stopping at the highest card in the deck.

    QUESTIONS: What is the PLAYER’s optimal strategy?
    What is the probability that he will succeed with
    this strategy – thus what payout should he insist on
    to want to play, as a multiple of his bet?

    On first sight, it would appear that the player’s probabilty
    of winning are almost negligible, at least if the number
    of cards is large.

    This turns out not to be the case.

    The optimal strategy is to go through the first 1/e (that’s
    1/2.82 approx, you can make it one in three) of the cards,
    keeping track of the highest number he has seen so far.
    ALL of these cards are rejected, regardless of the number
    they show.

    Then he keeps going until he finds a card HIGHER than
    the highest he has seen so far. When/if that happens,
    he STOPS.

    The probabilty that that is the highest card is 1/e, not
    too shabby.

    (Technically, these probabilities are the limit for a large
    number of cards – REALLY small numbers of cards, like say
    3 or less give better odds. But even a modest number,
    like the 52 of an ordinary card deck, give values very
    close to the above).

    Some of this can be applied to the dating scene. Count
    only those “cards” where the opposite party is willing.

    Thor

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  23. on June 18, 2010 at 1:10 pm ahappinessexperiment

    Thor, u made that needlessly difficult. the problem is often framed as how to pick the prettiest girl out of a hundred. no need for decimal places and analogies.

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  24. on June 18, 2010 at 1:12 pm Gorbachev

    @kaikou
    @ Gorb

    That’s what I thought. Why would you guys want older women to have your babies?
    See all comments on this post here.

    We don’t. It’s the distinction: We want the younger ones. All men do. Any man who says different is lying or trying to get something.

    Shocking: I saw a 50+ guy with his long-term 25 year-old GF last weekend. He was attractive for his age and charming.
    *Lots* of women commented about the disgusting nature of it. The men – often nodded their heads. But there was no reaction.

    I strongly suspect that they were all hoping that at the age of 50+, they could score a girl like that.

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  25. on June 18, 2010 at 1:15 pm The Rational Male

    I agree that men are indeed adapting to conditions of the new mating market by putting less time into working and more time into developing compensating strategies (game, thuggishness) but the problem lies in the fact that playing the provider game in the past not only had the potential to net you pussy, but also a retirement plan.

    Becoming a hippie/stoner/professional masturbator might be a viable strategy for a younger guy, but what happens when you get a little older and the pussy no longer holds the allure that it once did, and you begin to think to yourself “Hmmm….wouldn’t it be nice to be able to kick back on the deck of a sailboat smoking a stogie right now instead of having to work this minimum wage job just to pay the rent on this shitty apartment”.

    My concern for men is that too many of them will opt for the short term genetic “payoff” (it doesn’t pay if your swimmer doesn’t reach the island) without regard for the future. They will end up learning how to nail copious amounts of poon at the expense of their future well being.

    Just ask Roosh

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  26. on June 18, 2010 at 1:17 pm The Rational Male

    That was supposed to link to this Roosh post http://www.rooshv.com/fried-chicken-empire

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  27. on June 18, 2010 at 1:26 pm The Rational Male

    I should also note that I am a little biased on this subject. I spent the majority of my mid-late 20’s through my mid 30’s building businesses and learning the money game.

    This provided me with social status a lot of guys will probably never experience. My trials and tribulations in the money game eventually paid off in the form of attention from the opposite sex, but the REAL benefits will be reaped later in life when I will not only have my high status that gets me laid, but also a fat bank account that will allow me to live the life I want to live.

    Pussy is enjoyable, but pleasure is also derived from achievement. Bottom line- Learn Game AND Build Your Empire.

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  28. on June 18, 2010 at 1:29 pm Casual

    Good post, but I don’t see how immigration has to do with anything? If nothing else, it would seem to turn the tide somewhat by providing a stream under educated/lower income women who would be impressed by traditional status displays, and who are yet uncorrupted by modern feminism.

    See: middle-aged white schlub w/ hot asian girl

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  29. on June 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm polymath

    This point deserves elaboration:

    While less promiscuous “betas” — and I use quotes to imply that promiscuity is not necessarily a defining characteristic of alphaness — may have more children on average than more promiscuous “alphas”, the timing of those childbirths are the relevant variable. A beta who goes his entire 20s and maybe even his 30s watching from the sidelines as the young hot babes ride the alpha bang bus is going to find cold comfort once that rode worn and tossed away wet former hottie deigns to settle for him in her waning 30s in order to pop out a couple kids before she well and truly hits the wall headlong.)

    It’s not just that you don’t get to enjoy a younger wife — it’s evolutionarily inferior too. Someone who is reproducing at an average age of 25 will have great-grandkids when someone who has kids at 37-38 is having grandkids. So even if the late-blooming beta has more kids on average, he has fewer actual descendants over time — his share of the gene pool 75 years from now will be less.

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  30. on June 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “Bottom line- Learn Game AND Build Your Empire.”

    That is an ideal, but there are only so many alphas in the pack. If poor alphas — a relatively new phenomenon — are able to poach a lot of flesh, some wealthy betas will go hungry, at which point building the empire seems pointless.

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  31. on June 18, 2010 at 1:37 pm Omega Man

    Marriage and family aside you need money for your own personal needs and retirement. Of course spending years acquiring an expensive education for a “prestige” career will not work out well for most guys. In my family the tradesmen have done the best, you can make more money earlier, invest it earlier, and possibly build up a business you can sell.

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  32. on June 18, 2010 at 1:39 pm Anon

    Netherlands government pays for GOLD DIGGERS:

    “The Netherlands is now officially sanctioning gold-digging. The Leeuwarder Courant (English summary here) reports that the government is hoping to reduce its welfare rolls through strategic marriages: “The local social service departments are paying for the women to have a make-over in the hope they can hook up with a rich husband to support them.” Participants in the scheme will receive tips on hair, wardrobe and social and presentation skills. Perhaps the infamous Craigslist gold-digger should consider relocating.”

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/council_helps_jobless_mothers.php

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  33. on June 18, 2010 at 1:42 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “So even if the late-blooming beta has more kids on average, he has fewer actual descendants over time — his share of the gene pool 75 years from now will be less.”

    polymath, your math doesn’t add up. how can one have more kids on average yet fewer descendants?

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  34. on June 18, 2010 at 1:45 pm Polymath

    You have fewer descendants at a given point in time because of fewer generations.

    Say I have 3 kids at 25, so do they, so do their kids. Then when I am 75 I have 3 kids, 9 grandkids, and 27 great-grandkids.

    Say you have 4 kids at 38, and so do they. Then when you are 76 you have 4 kids and 16 grandkids. Your grandkids are outnumbered by my great-grandkids and I am outbreeding you because I started sooner, even though you had more kids than I did.

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  35. on June 18, 2010 at 1:48 pm ahappinessexperiment

    polymath,

    you are making 2 wild assumptions:

    1. that younger women are more likely to have children with alphas while older ones are more likely to have them with betas

    2. that the rate of reproduction of the alpha spawn will continue to be faster generation after generation

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  36. on June 18, 2010 at 1:50 pm whiskey

    Casual — Increased immigration leads to in-group marrying. More Mexicans (what we are talking about) means more in-group marrying and less out-group marrying, same with Asians. The increase in Asian immigration means that Asian girl spurns the White schlub in favor of the son of a dynast in China or Taiwan or South Korea.

    Rational Male: What you say is correct, BUT … in pure Darwinian terms, the people who reproduce will be the thug type most of all, with as many kids as possible, as noted above with as many young women as possible. Thus in 20-50 years most young people will be the descendants of “spread your seed” and “don’t care about the future” — your Johan Van Der Sloots (probably has a bunch of kids, loved that ex still mooning over him), your garden variety thug, etc.

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  37. on June 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm ahappinessexperiment

    the reason women are more attracted to alphas in the first place is because their descendants are more likely to be sexually successful, which for most of human history = more children.

    that has only changed recently. eventually nature will figure this trick out and women will be attracted to different qualities — or perhaps they just get wet at the sight of sperm banks.

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  38. on June 18, 2010 at 1:55 pm Name

    “polymath, your math doesn’t add up. how can one have more kids on average yet fewer descendants?”

    Because the earlier you have kid(s), the shorter gap to the next generation (20-25 yrs.) vs. 40+. Some families fit in about 2 generations every 100 years. Some 4, or even 5, generations. This phenomenom was most noticeable to me when I map my family tree. I have very few generations going back to 1700. Basically, I’m the product of being born to the youngest child (later born, 40+) for several generations in a row. Uppity feminists/SWPLs/borderline “childfree” people brag about this (having kids incredibly late- it’s funny but they’re always the same people with 6,000 nieces and nephews) as though it’s some sort of accomplishment that they’ve tricked their bodies into not reproducing. But, believe me, small family syndrome is nothing to be excited about. It’s not very fun and can be quite lonely at times.

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  39. on June 18, 2010 at 1:59 pm ahappinessexperiment

    tho i don’t buy Thurday’s assertion that betas are having more children than alphas. the non-child producing alpha is a specific class. there are still plenty of patriarchal alphas. you can have a family and be a libertine too.

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  40. on June 18, 2010 at 2:03 pm Orthodox

    It’s not an assumption, it’s reality. Unless the beta providers are Mormon, Orthodox Jew, Orthodox Catholic, Muslim or the Duggars, then they’re probably being outbred because a lot of these women are having children before hitting 20.

    Older women have a tougher time reproducing, their children have more defects, etc. So while there’s a lot of randomness, the reality is that much older couples are going to be having children with disadvantages in the mating game.

    Plus, who wants a used up cooch and a woman who’s lost her chemical sexual connection to her mate?

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  41. on June 18, 2010 at 2:04 pm Polymath

    No, those assumptions don’t matter. The advantage increases if the alpha spawn behave likewise, but the half-generation head start all by itself will be enough to make up for having 3 kids instead of 4 even if all the future generations behave like the descendants of the beta.

    If the number of your descendants increases by a factor of 4 every 38 years, it is expressed by the mathematical function 4^(t/38). If you have 3 kids at 25 and then follow the previous rule, the number of your descendants is expressed by the mathematical function 3*(4^((t-25)/38).

    Plot the two functions. In the long run the continuous distribution is a good approximation, as the generations spread out and overlap.

    That also takes care of your other point, you don’t have to make any assumptions about differing behavior of men and women after the first generation.

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  42. on June 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm Polymath

    By the way, this is why we should not feel that we are in less danger of being outbred by immigrants because once they come here they have fewer kids — because they still have them a lot earlier.

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  43. on June 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm dc

    why is it that there are so damn many more beta/omega types?

    given that most kids of my generation (and all successive ones) have been raised by parents who truly believe that their wretched little spawn are wonderful and amazing human specimens regardless of whether or not they really are, why aren’t more kids growing up alpha?

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  44. on June 18, 2010 at 2:09 pm dc

    its like the part from that robbie williams game in music post

    “you may not think he’s the shit but he 100% believes he is”

    my parents raised me to believe i was the shit… and i am

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  45. on June 18, 2010 at 2:12 pm dc

    im skimming the above comments about alpha/beta rates of child-fathering

    y’all would do well not to forget that many a beta’s children are not actually his

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  46. on June 18, 2010 at 2:22 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “If the number of your descendants increases by a factor of 4 every 38 years, it is expressed by the mathematical function 4^(t/38). If you have 3 kids at 25 and then follow the previous rule, the number of your descendants is expressed by the mathematical function 3*(4^((t-25)/38).”

    our starting point was that betas have more kids than alphas. is there reason to assume that the spawn of an alpha will be alpha and beta/beta? of course. that’s the whole reason women are more attracted to alphas: because the kids are more likely to be.

    so the function for alphas should be 3*(P^((t-25)/38) where P is closer to 3 than 4.

    perhaps you will argue the 38 should then be changed to 25 — but that requires the assumption which seems to have been pulled out of thin air that alphas have children at an earlier age.

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  47. on June 18, 2010 at 2:26 pm Polymath

    This doesn’t have to do with alphas and betas. It’s a more general point, that having kids earlier can more than make up for having more kids. Therefore late breeders can have relatively less long-term reproductive success even if they have more kids on average.

    This is very easy to see on the level of populations and ethnic and religious subpopulations.

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  48. on June 18, 2010 at 2:27 pm Firepower

    Fuck the “Alpha Concept.”

    It’s predictably distorted via illiterate culture into a myth when “alphas” such as Hayden Christenson and Ashton Kutcher are lauded as an example worth striving for.

    so, I’ve distilled my Game down to dangerous – yet curiously erudite – Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon Thug.

    If a bitch wants to buy me a new leather coat, fine. I don’t mind making her come an extra 3 times a night that week.

    firepower’s maxim: Never, ever, ever forget that people are so stupid as to be relegated beneath contempt.

    they just don’t matter

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  49. on June 18, 2010 at 2:28 pm PL

    You will lose a lot of money while chasing women. But you will never lose women while chasing money.

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  50. on June 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm wafeawef

    The Rational Male,

    Care to share your knowledge with us?

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  51. on June 18, 2010 at 2:33 pm Puma

    We have more Beta/Omega types because there are a whole generation of Gen-X/Early-Y guys out there that were raised by a television instead of real parents (particularly real fathers).

    In their version of TV-based reality, life is a “Romantic Comedy”, all women are good, all guys are schleps, but it all turns out good when the guy marries the girl, and they live happily ever after.

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  52. on June 18, 2010 at 2:34 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “This doesn’t have to do with alphas and betas.”

    that was the subject we were debating. didn’t realize you just wanted to make a trivial point. most of us here have Y chromosomes and thus get the math without your helpful pedantry.

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  53. on June 18, 2010 at 2:43 pm werewolf

    Donde esta lollozlzolzozllozlzz ?

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  54. on June 18, 2010 at 2:52 pm dc

    the neocons finally tracked him down

    RIP GBFM

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  55. on June 18, 2010 at 2:53 pm greatbooksformen

    lozzllllzozlzzl

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  56. on June 18, 2010 at 2:55 pm The Rational Male

    That is an ideal, but there are only so many alphas in the pack. If poor alphas — a relatively new phenomenon — are able to poach a lot of flesh, some wealthy betas will go hungry, at which point building the empire seems pointless.

    The only reason men are driven to build empires is to obtain access to women, in both quantity and quality.

    BUT…..

    This does not mean that there are not important “side effects” of the wealth building process in post-industrial times.

    We don’t live in a society where our village will take care of us when we are old (we kind of DO, but I don’t want to retire poor and eventually get chucked into a foul smelling nursing home when I get too old to wipe my own ass) so the byproduct of the wealth creation process has the potential to help you live a happier, healthier life, especially when you get tired of chasing tail.

    Looking at it as “money is no longer necessary to get laid, therefore there is no point in making money” is shortsighted at best. At the very minimum you have to work to pay your monthly bills. Why not learn a little bit about money and make the most out it?

    BTW…when I say “build an empire” I am not necessarily saying you have to strive to be the next Branson, Trump, or Gates. You can live a very fulfilling life with a mer fraction of that kind of wealth.

    Rational Male: What you say is correct, BUT … in pure Darwinian terms, the people who reproduce will be the thug type most of all, with as many kids as possible, as noted above with as many young women as possible. Thus in 20-50 years most young people will be the descendants of “spread your seed” and “don’t care about the future” — your Johan Van Der Sloots (probably has a bunch of kids, loved that ex still mooning over him), your garden variety thug, etc.

    Is this an argument for becoming an outlaw?

    Hey, it’s one strategy, and it works, but I personally don’t care to take the chance of going to prison just to bang a few more broads.

    My strategy is primarily social proof game. I have access to a decent pool of women today because of the social capital I have built for myself over the past decade which is a direct and indirect result of my pursuit of wealth. Add on a bit of badboy peacocking (muscles, mohawk) and I have a formula that works well for me.

    My point is, Game is great. I think everyone should learn and practice it. BUT…..it’s no substitute for the real thing which will pay dividends long after your days of chasing pussy have come to an end.

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  57. on June 18, 2010 at 2:56 pm greatbooksformen

    as soon as the fiat neocn masters run the money into the ground lzozlzlzlo thene the war begins lzzolzlozzlozo and they move on to butthex another country lzozlzll and tape it secretly like tucker max who they publish and pormote tin the neoncon publishing homes andreapt his lies win the weekly stanhdadrth as they must redifeine men as butthexual heores while ignoringa nd spiitinng on the real alphas blleeding 2 death on foreign shores in foreign wars as ben breranke wires fiat dollars to chcix at the atalnatic monthly to pen stooopid articles about the end of men where she ignores the glaring fact that womens in teh workplace came at the cost of 15,000,000,000,000 trillion ddollars of debt! lzozlzl!!

    so womenz and tcuerk max who loses 10 million on his 12 million movie ctrea more debt than welath but the bnoecons love this because teir whole rise to power relies on teh cerating of buttex debt deivorce and debauchery and they have conquered this nation lzozlzlzlozlzl and are getting ready to movge on lzozlzlllz

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  58. on June 18, 2010 at 2:57 pm polymath

    The application of my point to alpha/beta is that betas often have to wait until their mid- to late-30’s before someone will settle with them, and the time lag means that even if they could have more kids than those alphas who father kids younger, it might not make up for the delay.

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  59. on June 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm greatbooksformen

    hey the great thing about roissy is he tells the truth

    what alls yous guys gots to do is relize that it’s a stacked deck

    teh fiat masters print print print money and sent it to syciophanice ginas as if you give a womena money and a tilte she goes ya y ay ay ayaya ayayaya and sucks your cock even if you are a fiat master betas lzozlzl not all womenz are like this, but fuck it if you think that most aren;’t lzozlzlzllz

    so let the women do tehir worky workey and get their cats their cats their cats.

    lzozlzllzlzlzlz

    beernanke and teh central bank have had about 100 years of debauching teh culture and currency, and yet, homer and virgil and moses and jeses cannot be stopped lzozlzlzllzozlzllz

    as the fiat dollar falls in value, the great books only increase in value.

    read the great books my friends read them and rock your soul.

    drop out of the coprorate fiat master workplace filled with fuckfaces

    lzozlzlzlllzlz

    funny thing these days

    you are more likely to receive a sexual harrasment charge working in a coprorate office or univeristy than if you film porn.

    porn is a far safer place to work. lozlzlz and profitable… lzozlzllzllzzl and teh enocns like it and will reward you in tehir conservative magaiznes lzozllzlzlz

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  60. on June 18, 2010 at 3:09 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “We have more Beta/Omega types because”

    in modern society alpha/beta/omega are archetypes that exist in the female imagination only. the key insight of Game, no? the ratios are likely stationary across time. 50 years ago a “beta” accountant might have been viewed as alpha by a woman simply because he was a successful man in a man’s world. women were more helpless and likely didn’t beta-ize their men as often because the mere fact he had a decent job loomed large in their imaginations and thus they didn’t likely shit-test as often. or if they did shit-test as often, the man was naturally more confident because his place in the order of things was more secure.

    now merely having a good job doesn’t make a man as secure of his place in the order of things.

    at any rate, this is the hypothesis i’m much more willing to buy than the idea that it is because men have been raised differently. nature beats nurture like a jamaican sprinter over a field of frenchmen.

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  61. on June 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm Anonymous

    especially consider that now a typical “blue collar” job will keep you active and possibly outdoors all day every day, giving you quite an advantage over a typical “white collar” office desk job just in terms of pure physical fitness and attractiveness, and even other less definable “masculine” traits

    in the past, guys who dropped out of high school and got such jobs were seen as “beneath” even the average woman… but now working for an education and getting a upper level job is hardly even a desirable virtue

    hence how normal it is now for females to swoon after the construction worker over the middle manager

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  62. on June 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm Thor

    Polymath’s argument about that getting the
    next generation started early is relevant
    only if each generation is LARGER than
    the previous one. Otherwise, it does not
    work at all, or works in reverse, the later
    breeding delays the decline.

    Thor

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  63. on June 18, 2010 at 3:15 pm johnny five

    roissy
    Once millions of women are working at the same or higher level as working men, those men — who in the past could count on their worker drone jobs to give them enough status over women to sexually attract them — see their sexual market leverage decrease as a consequence of immutable female hypergamy.
    (emphasis mine)

    the presence of the word “sexually” makes this statement wrong to the point of being laughable.

    i’m nonplussed that you, of all people, would conflate a woman’s “beta-hypergamy”, her drive to rope in a good provider and achieve material security, with her “alpha-hypergamy”, her drive to spread it and fuck to form a fantastic future family.

    these are two different brands of hypergamy, which were, are, and always will be orthogonal.

    proof:
    do women get wet for bill gates?

    this is also the huge blindspot in the visual field of moronic MRA-types who think that rolling the job market back fifty years will in and of itself be sufficient to create greater sexual attraction in married/partnered women.
    it ain’t so.

    sexual (alpha) attraction and material (beta) attraction are two different things.
    the ONLY thing that a man can buy from a woman with money is her presence.
    not her loyalty.
    not her orgasms.
    not her not-out-of-mind once you’re out of her sight.

    to get real SEXUAL attraction, you just need to be more of a man than she is.
    the reason why “game” has proliferated to such a degree is because soi-disant “men” are finding this difficult these days.

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  64. on June 18, 2010 at 3:22 pm Joose

    can someone give me some txt game pointers. k-closed this 19 YO last night and tried to get her to come blow me today but it fell apart

    thank you

    3am
    Her: hey it was great meeting you 🙂 – f

    11am
    Joose: good girls gone bad
    Her: haha nice Jay Z reference. whats up?
    Joose: sex toys
    Her: what kind?
    Joose: come play
    Her: Haha. I’m Williamsburg?
    Her: *in

    2pm
    Joose: bring booze
    Her: Haha. If I am going to come to Brooklyn you better be supplying the liquor.
    Joose: i want cookies
    Her: Bake some. Be domestic.
    Joose: that’s what girls are for
    Her: Not me
    Joose: [MMS image of box of Magnum condoms]
    Her: Impressive. You should ask your ex to come bake some and then I will come over.
    Joose: sick of txting. come hang out. apt 1c
    Her: In what building?
    Joose: [address]
    Her: Haha its so far..come to Manhattan
    Joose: if you are worthwhile ill check out your place next time
    Her: That’s not how it works dude.
    Joose: penalty box
    Her: For you or me?
    Joose: we could be having a nice time but you are being a sloot. im going to go write txt me when you want to hang out
    Her: I will 🙂

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  65. on June 18, 2010 at 3:22 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlzlzlozzl

    the secret to game my young grasshoper

    is that there is no game

    care less
    dress less
    make less

    read more
    smile smore
    read more

    by and by all the girls will begin to take note in their business suits lzozlozlzl with pokers u their ass es to clog the gaping hole left by the neaon tcuker max secrtive tapings of butthex sessions lzozlzl

    and they will come over and go

    whatya readin? whya smilin?

    because no matter how much money you give them, women are in it for ne thing

    the attention of men lzozlzlzl

    so let them have all their suits and titles purchased with fiat dollars lzozlzlzl all their fancy cars they got fiat dollars for in exchange for pushing papers in a fiat job and taking fiat cock up the ass while letting their eggs and gina dry up lzozlzlzlzl

    and they will come over and go

    whatya readin? whya smilin?

    wanahahawahahha! look at me! waahaahha! look at me!!! whahahah w=hataya readin?

    and then you say

    “great books 4 men.:
    lzozlllzllllz!

    and she will get down on all fours and BEG you to do her doggystyle–not in the ass liek tucker max and the neocns–but in teh gina, like amnaly man like odysseus lzozlzl

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  66. on June 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm polymath

    Thor,

    Yes, if you’re interested in declining less quickly, have your kids later.

    I was assuming anyone who was following the discussion and actually cared about reproducing themselves would be wanting to outbreed the many groups with above-replacement fertility, not merely outlast the other decadent SWPLs. The future belongs to those who show up.

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  67. on June 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm havana

    ROISSY! It is a MISTAKE to believe that BETA boys reproduce more than Alpha-men.

    As you have illustrated in previous posts an Alpha-male is a man who has certain types of social behaviors that are (1) attractive to women (2) repected by males (3) hated by fembots, white knights, etc.

    So there are some Alpha-males who:
    -prefer to keep on fucking young fresh pussy throughout life while having 0 kids. (ex: Roissy).
    -prefer to keep on fucking young fresh pussy throughout life while being married with kids. (1/2 of the self-respecting married man in my grandfather’s generation)
    -prefer to keep on fucking young fresh pussy throughout life and have many kids by many different women.
    -prefer to just keep the 1 pussy they got married to and pile on kids with that one. (my gf’s father)
    -etc, etc, etc

    In short it is the decision of the Alpha-male how many women he will have, how many kids he will have, and which women will be the lucky mothers.

    The BETA-provider HAS NO CHOICE! Around age 30 the biological clock hits slutty women telling them to have kids (they even dream about it). So those slutty women pick a Beta boy, have 1 kid (preferably a girl), rarely 2.
    —> In case you have not noticed a population cannot grow with couples having 1 or 2 kids.

    Why do 30+ cougers/sluts prefer to have 1 kid????
    1. Because after sluts have 1kid their biological clock stops ticking.
    2. Raising 1kid is hard (actually it is harder to raise 1 kid than 3 at the same time). The time spent off their careers, bars, Alpha cock, etc puts them off to having more kids.
    3. They BETA-provider is “entertained” by 1kid, and is afraid to demand more.

    On the other hand the Alpha-males who choose to have kids usually have more than 2. That is why cultures that have not been penetrated by Feminism or Communism (Catholics, Evangelicals, Latin America, Middle East, etc) have rising populations.
    PLUS the married man ALWAYS have mistreses.

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  68. on June 18, 2010 at 3:37 pm Doug1

    Johnny Five–

    proof:
    do women get wet for bill gates?

    The extremes make bad proofs of generally applicable propositions.

    You’re point that money and security doesn’t turn a woman on sexually has a lot of merit to it, particularly when the woman has quite enough money on her own thank you (the more she really does, and many women can want quite a lot, the more this is the case). Which is part of what Roissy’s talking about w/the death of the male provider attraction effect.

    But a better example is Steve Jobs. Or for that matter say actor Charlie Sheen.

    These two guys are rich. They’re both charismatic. They’re also both high status, beyond the business or any other narrow world – their general society high status. And they both no doubt have game with girls. Charlie acts that out in his roles, but it’s pretty obvious w/Steve Jobs too.

    For both of them though their multimillionaire status helps their super attractiveness, i dare say in each case at the super alpha level, to more hot women than they’d have w/out the money.

    If you take guys with less charisma and wide world fame, but professional status and multi millions, who are terrible nerds with zero game and no animal attractiveness, yes big money is in itself sexually attractive to many women. PUA’s may say not but natural alphas and guys with money know they’re wrong.

    Money doesn’t make someone certainly super alpha, or maybe even solid alpha, if there are terrible deficits otherwise. The archtypal when not is if he’s way too old, has low energy, didn’t even earn the money himself but inherited it, is really fat, and generally isn’t dynamic and doesn’t impress groups of people in his own circles. Such guys are extremes. Gates doesn’t have all those deficits, but he’s certainly an Aspergery type nerd. (He’s also a plotting business tycoon energetic dynamo, but there’s so much bad press about him other than his philanthropy that that isn’t widely know, and a lot of it is done in a rather ram it through, rather than charm it through, ugly type manner, which isn’t hottie attracting.)

    Big male money earned by the guy in question esp. by being tops in is area and high status, and good with people, will always sexually attract girls, particularly after their early 20s. No it’s not just a hard calculation. It’s that too, but it’s also gina tingling. Not if combined with enough anti tingles. But add in some game and status, which often is what comes with, and yes it’s attractive to girls.

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  69. on June 18, 2010 at 3:52 pm The Rational Male

    “The Rational Male,

    Care to share your knowledge with us?”

    Regarding wealth?

    If that’s what you are asking I couldn’t even begin to get started in the comments of a blog post.

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  70. on June 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm polymath

    J5,

    sexual (alpha) attraction and material (beta) attraction are two different things.
    the ONLY thing that a man can buy from a woman with money is her presence.
    not her loyalty.
    not her orgasms.
    not her not-out-of-mind once you’re out of her sight.

    to get real SEXUAL attraction, you just need to be more of a man than she is.

    True dat. Fortunately, if you can actually obtain her presence, you have the huge advantage over other men that you are there and they’re not — the hard part is accomplished already.

    Joose,

    That’s where you messed up. You got a counteroffer to go to her place, AFTER you had made it clear that you are talking about a booty call not going out for a date. At that point the game is yours to lose — if you only care about getting that notch, you take any opportunity to close. Only if you care about having hand in a relationship should you be looking further ahead — since it sounds like you just wanted her for sex, if you are any good at fucking you should have just gone to Manhattan and fucked her brains out.

    You still have to handle it correctly. She was shit-testing you by refusing to bring booze and cookies and coming to her place, but she still committed herself. After she said “Haha its so far..come to Manhattan” you agree and amplify: “OK. Since you dont like booze or cookies Ill just bring the Magnums” or else, if you want to still get her to your place, keep her on the hook with “OK, thats just as far, if you call it right I’ll come otherwise you’ll come here. Heads or tails?” Of course she will say “I can’t see it, you’ll cheat.” Then you say “OK, you toss, I’ll call.” Once she plays the game she won’t flake, and even if she cheats you win, because you will call “tails” and if she says “its heads, you got to come here” you say “that’s OK, you know how coin tosses work, you picked which side of the field but I get to go first now — where you gonna receive, heads or tails?”

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  71. on June 18, 2010 at 4:02 pm The Rational Male

    johnny five-

    “sexual (alpha) attraction and material (beta) attraction are two different things.
    the ONLY thing that a man can buy from a woman with money is her presence.
    not her loyalty.
    not her orgasms.
    not her not-out-of-mind once you’re out of her sight.

    The two aren’t always mutually exclusive. ‘Gina tingles can be created by the indirect use of money. Money can and does give you alpha cred (not that it can’t be negated by beta behaviors) which can translate into real sexual attraction.

    I agree, it’s more about the swag than anything, but to simply say that sexual and material attraction are two different things is incorrect.

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  72. on June 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm E

    this talk about alphas not breeding is rubbish.

    there are alphas who do breed a lot of kids: black and Hispanic alphas in the working class.

    this also sort of applies to white alphas in the working class.

    these lower class alphas will often have several kids from several different women.

    it is the middle class/upper class white alphas who, because of the birth control measures & cultural differences, don’t father lots of kids.

    but that doesn’t change the fact that a lot kids born today are children of alphas. just take a look at the percent of kids born out of wedlock.

    the betas won’t out breed the alphas.

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  73. on June 18, 2010 at 4:07 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny, you are making false dichotomies.

    “proof:
    do women get wet for bill gates?”

    women who don’t know bill gates don’t fantasize about him because he is a charmless dork on camera.

    but you are a fool to think bill in his younger years wouldn’t have been a pussy magnet. not because women wanted his money (sure, they wanted that too), but because they cream in the presence of male power, whether they want to or not.

    he isn’t just some guy who got rich writing some code; he is a leader of men. he’s got social proof, higher value, and a ruthless competitive nature. all those things others try to fake with game.

    the point of Game is to fool women into thinking you have good genes whether you do or not. bill doesn’t have to fake it. he has great genes. no faking necessary.

    sure, there is the concept that some men are alpha with other men but beta with women, but unless you’ve personally seen bill act like a wuss around women you’ve got no foundation for your assertion he’s beta.

    if he hadn’t been a braggart, would the world have thought kissinger was an uber-alpha with women?

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  74. on June 18, 2010 at 4:07 pm werewolf

    I got worried there for a second, I thought GBFM had been disappeared by the butthexer benbukkake’s sweeper team.

    GBFM, Fuk allz the haterz ….Lahzahzull!

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  75. on June 18, 2010 at 4:25 pm whiskey

    dc — Alpha is merely the guy with the most status in any given group among women. So to use an extreme example, if Peyton Manning and TO are on the same team, low-key Peyton who is successful because he is a leader on the team, is far less Alpha (though he’s Alpha alright) than TO. Because women desire boastful, bragging men.

    In order to succeed at work, beta qualities of going along, and often submitting to, hierarchies are required. Often to informal, Queen Bee female hierarchies as discussed yesterday when women become significant in the workplace. This reduces social friction to the point where a person is productive, basically hitting his overhead and then some.

    In order to succeed with WOMEN, exactly the opposite behavior must come into play. Rivals made to look like tools, bragging/boasting, peacocking, all the things that are disaster at work are required and all the things at work that are required are a disaster with women.

    Look at a cholo gang-banging guy with five kids. He’s more successful than a 9-5 nerdly dude slaving away in a cubicle who maybe has one baby with an aging ex-party girl at age 36, with the kid maybe or not his. Successful in Darwinian terms, because the cholo genes are passed on, and the nerd ones not.

    To reproduce, one must be a cholo. Yet, to be successful materially, one must be a nerdling cube dweller. Thursday’s points are well taken … BUT only for groups that keep the outside world at bay and firmly limit female hypergamy through a constantly updated web of social connections. Mormon girls are not just left to date by themselves, everyone they know comments on and provides constant feedback on the appropriateness or lack of their dates. That being said, the wildest girls I ever met were Mormon girls away from their family who had a constant craving for sex with the baddest bad boys they could find.

    Most of human reproduction follows the cholo model, it is stable over time, makes women happy, but can be destroyed by Patriarchal societies that muster far greater resources, often including technology.

    Most cholos are pretty Alpha (to women in their circle). Their women often bear them kids at around 19, and 16-17 is not uncommon.

    True most current White guys in a cubicle won’t go to prison to get chicks. But the story of Britain’s chavs, from respectable family men to total thugs in a few generations, or obedient Russian men following Soviet protocol to dangerous gangsters, is instructive.

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  76. on June 18, 2010 at 4:28 pm johnny five

    @ahe
    but you are a fool to think bill in his younger years wouldn’t have been a pussy magnet. not because women wanted his money (sure, they wanted that too), but because they cream in the presence of male power, whether they want to or not.

    “male power” as a monolithic whole? what is this, the simple english wikipedia?
    the further removed the “power” in question from our primal roots, the less effect it will have upon women’s sexual attraction. you’d be an idiot to think that the power wielded by bill gates would get as many pussies wet as would even, say, the power wielded by the winner of a small-time boxing tournament.
    certain circles excepted, but those circles are not known for having the hottest, or the youngest, or the most libidinous, women.

    also, you talk like a man who has not seen the depths of women’s mercenary nature. in this sense you are both blessed, for you have not been its target, and cursed, for you have not experienced the power of putting it to work for your own ends.

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  77. on June 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm johnny five

    Fortunately, if you can actually obtain her presence, you have the huge advantage over other men that you are there and they’re not — the hard part is accomplished already.

    this statement reveals more than one might think about your passions, pursuits, and career trajectory.

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  78. on June 18, 2010 at 4:38 pm ASDF

    Joose:

    You were too direct and too much of an asshole. I’m surprised that she played along. She must like you. I’d tone it down by 50%. Instead of saying “bring booze”, say “I’m making margaritas” or something. And don’t say “come over and we’ll have sex”. Say “come over and watch a video”.

    And your very last message came off as super try hard.

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  79. on June 18, 2010 at 4:41 pm Charles Martel

    This piece will interest you, Roissy. It’s an edited version of an article that first appeared in the early 80’s in the Chicago Tribune. It was also in the book “Cheeseburgers” by Bob Greene, 1985. It says a lot about changing sex roles in our society (35 years ago!). The original referred to yuppie women running to work in sneakers in big cities, all fired up about their great “careers”, among other observations. Worth digging up the original, if you can find it.

    http://www.inspirationalstories.com/2/213.html

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  80. on June 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny,

    ““male power” as a monolithic whole? what is this, the simple english wikipedia? the further removed the “power” in question from our primal roots, the less effect it will have upon women’s sexual attraction. you’d be an idiot to think that the power wielded by bill gates would get as many pussies wet as would even, say, the power wielded by the winner of a small-time boxing tournament.”

    you haven’t really been paying attention to civilization, have you? you think humans haven’t evolved any in the past 10 thousand years, and along with it traits for sexual selection? women are attracted to social power more than they are brute fighting ability.

    it is the winner of your low tier boxing match who qualify for the “certain circles excepted” category.

    you are a master of insults, a moron regarding women’s nature.

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  81. on June 18, 2010 at 4:51 pm johnny five

    you haven’t really been paying attention to civilization, have you? you think humans haven’t evolved any in the past 10 thousand years, and along with it traits for sexual selection?

    do you think bill gates had any equivalents ten thousand years ago?
    or, hell, even ten thousand weeks ago?

    women are attracted to social power more than they are brute fighting ability.

    gedanken experiment:
    * absent the possibility of a usurious child-support jackpot, would the boxer’s woman cheat on him with a tech executive?
    * would a tech executive’s woman cheat on him with the boxer?

    to ask the question is to answer it.

    —

    a moron regarding women’s nature

    friend, what is the extent of your experience with women?
    with women who are made of flesh, blood, snips, snails, and puppy dog tails, not just of words on a little corner of the internet?

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  82. on June 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm The Truth

    Noose you were doing ok till the last line you said.

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  83. on June 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm E

    to those who say you need tons of money to get girls, please answer the following:

    who is more likely to get laid by young, good looking women, the broke lead singer of an new indie rock band on the scene or the newly rich CEO of a tech start up?

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  84. on June 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm Joose

    yeah my last message sucked. i always run this asshole txt game though, have never really had girls disapprove. talk about sex as fast and as much as possible is my txt agenda. but maybe the result could be achieved with less display of force..something to think about.

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  85. on June 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “do you think bill gates had any equivalents ten thousand years ago?”

    yes, they were called pharoahs.

    “gedanken experiment:
    * absent the possibility of a usurious child-support jackpot, would the boxer’s woman cheat on him with a tech executive?” quit possibly

    “* would a tech executive’s woman cheat on him with the boxer?”
    quite possibly.

    “to ask the question is to answer it.”

    the world is your mirror, apparently.

    “friend, what is the extent of your experience with women?
    with women who are made of flesh, blood, snips, snails, and puppy dog tails, not just of words on a little corner of the internet?”

    dude, i’ve lived several lives. i was a lady killer in a few of them. musician game worked best for me.

    your logic seems to be this: whatever has worked for you with women is what works. strategies and techniques you haven’t used you seem to write off automatically as ineffective. again, your world is your mirror johnny. but there is another world out there you apparently haven’t visited.

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  86. on June 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm askjoe

    well, this brief American experiment of empowering betas went well until suffrage, eh? Now, the thugs are coming back.

    In the comparison of the cholo’s senora and aged yuppie wife, the difference isn’t the guy’s thuggery so much but the expectations of their respective womenfolk. Senora wants kids, AFDC welfare queens want kids, but yupster chicks don’t want kids. Blame the girls.

    On the other hand, cubicle dwellers don’t have to turn into Milton Waddamesque slugs. Get out, eat a salad, do P90x.

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  87. on June 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlzlozlzlzlz

    one of the funnier things is all teh pseudo applications of evolutionary biology which leaves out all that makes us human lozzlzl all that we eveooved aorund — the immortal soul lzozlzlzlz

    many of you fuckfaces go “ya yahay yah and the big tall ape gets the most womenz lzozlzl now give me my phd in biology.”

    lozlzlzlzlz!

    as humans we were blessed with this thing called the soul and consicence by which we can trancend our baser natures and live by ideals lzozlzllz

    now all you have 2 know is that the fiat masters got rid of ideals in teh schools and curriculums and because men like zeus and moses and jefferson and homer gernerally define ideals, they had 2 get rid of al these books works and repalce thjem with weak willed owmenz who go ya h yah yessir yah yah yah give me more fiat dollars and i will suck your cockka and enevr quetsion wher etehy came form zlzozlzlzlzl

    women can be tuaght to respect ideals by real men, and so can the sons, and this will happen again when the fiat dollar is worth nothing and can no longer be used 2 temp the women away from truth duty family marriage goddess arhcetypes and matrimonial bliss which the communists must degrade debuach and destory lzzolzzllz

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  88. on June 18, 2010 at 5:15 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^

    i love how a few weeks backs lottsa ya cockas wanted 2 ban me lzozlzlzlzl

    and now you miss me when i’m gone lzolzlzllz and go “please, please, please come on back!!”

    the same thing happened 2 jesus and he is a good friend of mine and told me how to deal with it and forgive you for wanting to ban me for ye know not what ye do lzozlzozlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzllllz

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  89. on June 18, 2010 at 5:16 pm Mr. N

    @Johnny Five

    I actually read a book where this woman recounted her experience of sleeping with Bill Gates.

    She also dated another tech mogul but never slept with him.

    I can’t remember her name or the title of her memoirs now but she was pretty impressed with him.

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  90. on June 18, 2010 at 5:25 pm The Rational Male

    “to those who say you need tons of money to get girls, please answer the following:

    who is more likely to get laid by young, good looking women, the broke lead singer of an new indie rock band on the scene or the newly rich CEO of a tech start up?”

    I’ve read all of the comments on this tread and I don’t recall anyone saying that you need tons of money to get girls.

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  91. on June 18, 2010 at 5:33 pm Gx1080

    Yeah. You are going to have a hard time convincing men to move their asses and do stuff if it doesn’t get them laid.

    I don’t agree with visions of complete Muslim conquest. You all underestimate how desperate men act. Is going to take something extreme, like politics promoting total surrender to Muslims and women voting for them en masse, together with mass murdering of beta husbands, but never underestimate desperate men.

    Enough George Sodini’s will accomplish something.

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  92. on June 18, 2010 at 5:35 pm Rum

    It is well known that Bill Gates was a babe-magnet even before he was uber-rich. Being disturbingly smart is quite handy for pick-up work.

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  93. on June 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm johnny five

    Mr. N —

    first, i never said the two forms of attraction were mutually exclusive. it’s quite possible that bill is a master of first-down conversions, but his money would just spot the ball.

    second, you would be surprised at the strength of the mercenary spirit in some women.
    remember that everything is relative, too. so, a girl of moderate attractiveness from a relatively sheltered background, who has never been well and truly fucked, could easily be forgiven for mistaking the fulfillment of her mercenary directive for true sexual fulfillment.
    just as MOST men think that simply getting to sleep with a hot enough woman is the holy grail. for men who haven’t sampled the joys of a well-trained bitch, this view is understandable, if naive and self-limiting.

    third, it’s possible, though by no means certain, that the woman in question was exaggerating her sexploits to titillate her readers, thereby selling more books to her target audience. think: who’s going to buy this book? how would this narrowly circumscribed demographic react to a storyline in which gates is the ultimate alpha, vis-a-vis a story in which said alpha was a silver-tongued salvadoran pimp of humble means?
    yeah.

    while it’s possible that she was being truthful, and also well possible that bill is a master swordsman, do not underestimate the female capacity for dissimulation, especially as regards maintaining images and reaping material gains.
    sometimes they dissimulate so well that they convince themselves, until the facade is ripped away by one of the blessed few.

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  94. on June 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm Mr. N

    The book was “Rules for Renegades” by Christine Comaford-Lynch.

    Here is a telling quote from it:

    “Bill’a a paradox: compassionate and cocky, genuine and arrogant, grown0up and elfin all at once. This little elf runs a software powerhouse that’s taking on the world, one software company at a time. This little elf has an arsenal of weapons to squash his competition. Lotus was a trheat with its market leading spreadhseet, then boom! Microsoft smashed them….Now the company is aiming for IBM. IBM. They’re, like, enormous…I’m facinated. I’m afraid. What if I actually end up liking him? He’s a Microsoft guy, he holds all the cards, he can’t be as nice as he seems. Yep, liking him would definitely be a bad thing.

    Again I see the expression of supreme confedence, of resolution, of knowing, on his face. This guy has an answer for everything.”

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  95. on June 18, 2010 at 5:37 pm Mr. N

    Here is the link:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=XjXngcCWM9AC&pg=PA86#v=onepage&q=Bill%20Gates

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  96. on June 18, 2010 at 5:39 pm johnny five

    Mr. N, see above.

    you may be right, but only if the deposit at which you’re looking is homogeneous.
    if the deposit is in fact stratified — which women usually are — then your looking at only the top layer is well-intentioned but insufficiently informed.

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  97. on June 18, 2010 at 5:39 pm Pirate451

    Game is the perestroika of the sexual market.

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  98. on June 18, 2010 at 5:41 pm greatbooksformen

    “werewolf
    I got worried there for a second, I thought GBFM had been disappeared by the butthexer benbukkake’s sweeper team.

    GBFM, Fuk allz the haterz ….Lahzahzull!”

    llozozlzlz

    i will always be with you

    do you know what christ’s last words on teh cross were?

    do ya?

    do ya?

    they were “o lord lord why hast thou foresaken me?”

    but do not despair, for in proverbs or swomehwehr this is exactly the line that preceds “though i walk through the valley of teh shadow of death ifear no evil for teh lord is my shepherd.” loollzlzlz

    so the way you read it is, cherist dying on the corss with all teh tuckermax buttjhexers tsanding around lsoslsl

    and chrits says

    “o lord lord why hast thou foresaken me?”

    and all the tucker max buthexers go “lzozlzll! see! we told you tehre is no god! you should have enjoyed the butthex while you could!!” even though the butthex never appealed 2 me lzozlzlz.

    anyway jesus goes “o lord lord why hast thou foresaken me?”

    the tucker max buthexers go “lzozlzll! looozer!!!”

    and then jesus has passed on to the other side so we do not hear his next words, but they naturally fololow from teh pasage he begun, so the tcuekr max butthexers never heaR the rest: “though i walk through the valley of teh shadow of death ifear no evil for teh lord is my shepherd.” loollzlzlz

    so anyway when all teh butthexers are standing aorudn laughing at you swelled iwth their fiat pride bought by lies and hype serving the fiat debt creators, just remember, that because you passed up all teh secrteibev tpaings of butthex the enocncs publish and profit off of, makes you not less of a man, but more of a man. lozlzlzllzlz

    and i’ll see y’all on the other side someday
    when i find–find the right words to say
    and up there in fiat dollars they won’t pay
    and it don’t matter if you game her 2 lay
    and it don’t matter how many furry hats you own
    and it don’t matter how many stdsamericanwoemns u bone
    all that matters is that GBFM u have known.

    seriously like just tell st. paul at the gates that you’re on my guest list and he will let u in lzozlzlzllzlzlz

    but just remmeber tehre is no butthex in the champagne room and certainly no secrteive tapings of butthex without the girlth’s conthent like tucker max an dneoncons enjoy 4 fun & [profit.

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  99. on June 18, 2010 at 5:42 pm Höllenhund

    Let us not forget that beta husbands get cuckolded by alphas all the time. I’m sure that 15-25% of dutiful beta provider husbands are raising children that aren’t theirs. One more reason why I’m not buying the argument that betas on average have more children.

    “the reason women are more attracted to alphas in the first place is because their descendants are more likely to be sexually successful, which for most of human history = more children.”

    Their descendants will be more likely to be sexually successful because women are attracted to alphas, and women are attracted to alphas because…?

    This is not the first time I read this kind of circular reasoning. “X is alpha because he attracts a lot of women, and he attracts a lot of women because he’s an alpha.” Well, duh!

    On a different note…

    …all this doesn’t explain why most mothers who have sons raise those sons to be beta males – because, as far as I can see, that’s what they do. They teach them to respect and pedestalize women, to supplicate them. This is 100% counterproductive from an evolutionary point of view because they are basically ensuring their sons won’t have success with women and therefore won’t have many children.

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  100. on June 18, 2010 at 5:44 pm Gx1080

    I see The Rational Man’s thesis as:

    Money gives you social connections and access to more social circles which means access to more women.

    Of course, you still need game to cash in said access, but let’s face it: you get invited to more parties than the usual discos and bars.

    Also, we are talking about the upper classes, not the middle ones that most men can do. So, for most men, it just isn’t worth the time.

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  101. on June 18, 2010 at 5:51 pm Cauthon

    Johnny Five:

    You exaggerate the degree of difference between alpha and beta.

    In order to be alpha in a woman’s eyes, you only need to be perceived as higher status relative to her. This is why you see ugly, pudgy PUAs without much money picking up women. A good PUA makes a woman FEEL as if she is beneath him, even if she is not. (That’s the primary point of a neg, stories with demonstrations of higher value, etc.)

    The point regarding the job market is that in a world where women have very few financial means, a good job in and of itself confers lots of status on a guy relative to a woman. Status=gina tingle.

    Of course, being a badass boxing champ can cause gina tingles too. There is more than one way to turn a woman on.

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  102. on June 18, 2010 at 6:04 pm ahappinessexperiment

    ““the reason women are more attracted to alphas in the first place is because their descendants are more likely to be sexually successful, which for most of human history = more children.”

    Their descendants will be more likely to be sexually successful because women are attracted to alphas, and women are attracted to alphas because…?

    This is not the first time I read this kind of circular reasoning.”

    there is a difference between circular reasoning and a feedback loop. yes, there is a chicken-egg problem, but fact is we do have chickens and eggs.

    the alpha feedback loop explains why peacocks have big tails. (and why men are more evil than need be, but i won’t go there this time)

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  103. on June 18, 2010 at 6:05 pm wafeawef

    The Rational Male,

    Damn. I could use help as a young man. Especially from someone who’s got his shit together now.

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  104. on June 18, 2010 at 6:23 pm johnny five

    also —

    even if we take as given the dubious axiom that money game (or social-power game in which said power flows from money) is now, after mere thousands of years, on par with its primal counterpart —
    you still have to KEEP PUSHING the woman.

    in a relationship of nontrivial length, it’s not that hard to keep ramping up the primal game.
    to keep ramping up the money game — especially from an initial state in which it’s high enough to work already — is near impossible, and is ruinous in the few cases in which it is possible.

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  105. on June 18, 2010 at 6:24 pm Joshua

    Let us not forget that beta husbands get cuckolded by alphas all the time. I’m sure that 15-25% of dutiful beta provider husbands are raising children that aren’t theirs. One more reason why I’m not buying the argument that betas on average have more children.

    “the reason women are more attracted to alphas in the first place is because their descendants are more likely to be sexually successful, which for most of human history = more children.”

    Their descendants will be more likely to be sexually successful because women are attracted to alphas, and women are attracted to alphas because…?

    This is not the first time I read this kind of circular reasoning. “X is alpha because he attracts a lot of women, and he attracts a lot of women because he’s an alpha.” Well, duh!

    On a different note…

    …all this doesn’t explain why most mothers who have sons raise those sons to be beta males – because, as far as I can see, that’s what they do. They teach them to respect and pedestalize women, to supplicate them. This is 100% counterproductive from an evolutionary point of view because they are basically ensuring their sons won’t have success with women and therefore won’t have many children.

    As discussed ad infinitum on this blog, we’ve seen countless examples on how women employ various different strategies to extract material resources from men via a subtle process of beta-tizing their mate. A woman’s sons are the only males in her life that she’ll ever have the most control over and the most loyalty given back to her.

    Throw in her biological imperative to extract resources from males and the beta-tizing of her sons goes into overdrive. Without any male role-model to counter-act this, the woman is free to extract nearly infinite resources from her sons. The mother’s unconscious impediment of her children’s ability to reproduce is irrelevant. As far as nature is concerned, the mother already completed her task of passing on her genes when she popped those kids out.

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  106. on June 18, 2010 at 6:29 pm greatbooksformen

    ““the reason women are more attracted to alphas in the first place is because their descendants are more likely to be sexually successful, which for most of human history = more children.”

    lozzlzlozlzlzllozozl!!

    not if it’s a neocon alpha like tucker max who lies about his heaight and videotapes his butthexs with the girls without their conthen

    first off scxretive tapisg of butthex are unlike to pass along tucker max’s genes lzozllzozlzlz

    second off, he lies about his height, so the world will be popuylated iwth short liars, which is the way the neocn s want it lzozlzozozl as the hold up tucker max as their six foot butthexeula hero the fvery form of man himslef lzozlzl

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  107. on June 18, 2010 at 6:36 pm Anonymous

    I joined the Army to meet girls, chicks dig officers!

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  108. on June 18, 2010 at 6:44 pm luvsic

    johnny 5 pwning the comments

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  109. on June 18, 2010 at 6:50 pm ahappinessexperiment

    in the same way that some men naively idealize women as objects of purity, women idealize men as objects of nobility. this is why they have such a hard time accepting that men do what they do….

    “I joined the Army to meet girls, chicks dig officers!”

    …to get chicks. they want to believe you joined the army for a more noble cause (as if there were one) or that you became a doctor to save lives. sure, it’s possible you wanted to do those things also, but they are almost always secondary considerations.

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  110. on June 18, 2010 at 7:15 pm greatbooksformen

    hey peeps and faboyz tgif!!!!

    when you get your chick back 2 your single mom’s basemenmt 2nite, instead of firing up the xbox and playing gta, why not slip in a cool old classic sexual healing, whcih today would be called “butthexeual healing” due to teh eneocn asscokicikng/deosuling of womenz programs lzozlzlz

    ever since the neocons took to publishing and profiting off of secretiev tapers of butthex without the girlths conthent, a lot has changed:

    Ooh, now let’s get down tonight
    your ass is hot just like an oven
    I need some lovin’
    And baby, I can’t hold it much longer
    It’s getting longer and longer
    And when I get that feeling
    I want Butthexual Healing
    Butthexual Healing, oh baby
    Makes your ass feel so fine
    Helps to relieve your behind
    Butthexual Healing baby, is good for me
    Butthecexual Healing is something that’s good for me
    Whenever blue cum drops are falling
    And my emotional stability is leaving me (lozozl what are you an emrrican womenz now? lzozlzl)
    There is something neocons can do
    I can get on the telephone and call your ass up baby, and
    Honey I know your anus will be there to relieve me
    The buttlove you give to me will free me
    If you don’t know the things you’re dealing
    I can tell you, darling, that it’s Butthexual Healing
    Ass up, Ass up, Ass up, Ass up, let’s make butthex tonight
    Ass up, Wake up, Ass up, Wake up, ‘cos you do it right
    Baby I got sick this morning
    A sea was storming inside of me
    Baby I think I’m capsizing
    The fiat bubbles are rising and rising
    And when I get that neocon feeling
    I want Butthexual Healing
    Butthexual Healing is good for me
    Makes me feel so fine, it’s such a rush
    Helps to relieve the behind, and it’s good for us
    Butthexual Healing, baby, is good for me
    Butthexexual Healing is something that’s good for me
    And it’s good for me and it’s good to me
    My baby ohhh
    Come take control, just grab a hold
    Of my cock in your anus soon we’ll be making it
    Honey, oh we’re feeling fine
    You’re my medicine open up your ass and let me in
    Darling, you’re so great
    I can’t wait to secretly videotape
    I can’t wait to secretly videotape
    When I get this neocn feeling, I need Butthexual Healing (ad lib)

    (while ad libing, he sings something like:
    darling please don’t procrastinate
    ’cause I may have to masturbate)

    lzozlzllzozzlzllz!!!

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  111. on June 18, 2010 at 8:00 pm johnny five

    they want to believe you joined the army for a more noble cause (as if there were one) or that you became a doctor to save lives.

    again, a gross oversimplification.

    just as light colors are only salient against a dark background, such “noble causes” appeal to women only if they are a lacquer that seals, but leaves visible, a more variegated parquet floor of carnal appeal.
    do you think the character of house m.d. would appeal as much to rank-and-file women if he were recast as a virginal mormon?
    he would still save just as many lives.

    —

    the flipside, of course, is that a variegated enough background will make the most flimsy of lacquers shine with an intense ardor.

    imagine, for instance, a man who has both bested and schooled many other men with both fists and words. further, imagine that this man has enslaved women of various stripes, with psychological fetters stronger than any of their physical or financial counterparts, to the point of doing his bidding — the profits of which were allocated at his sole discretion.

    now imagine that this man has saved one life, once, ever, and imagine the magnitude that women will impart to this deed.
    in fact, imagine the similar aggrandization of, say, his simple ability to string together cohesive sentences.

    always remember:
    life is a mercator projection.
    the parts that are perceived as blown up the most are exactly those whose ice-white visible fascia is silhouetted against deadly, icy cold waters.

    be glad you’re getting this shit for free.

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  112. on June 18, 2010 at 8:04 pm xsplat

    PL

    You will lose a lot of money while chasing women. But you will never lose women while chasing money.

    Every hour in life not spent fucking is an hour that could have been spent fucking.

    Every hour in life spent chasing money is an hour that could have been spent fucking.

    You can spend all your life fucking and be broke, but you can’t spend all your life working and fuck a lot.

    Nowadays I happen to enjoy my work, and find it challenging and entertaining. I’d not stop working just because I don’t need to, and I don’t work just for money. And it’s true money is a boon, for just about everything in life.

    But it still takes away from time spent fucking.

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  113. on June 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm The Rational Male

    Gx-

    “I see The Rational Man’s thesis as:

    Money gives you social connections and access to more social circles which means access to more women.

    Of course, you still need game to cash in said access, but let’s face it: you get invited to more parties than the usual discos and bars.

    Also, we are talking about the upper classes, not the middle ones that most men can do. So, for most men, it just isn’t worth the time.”

    Having social connections IS game. And if your social connections see you as having high value, half of the seduction is in the bag.

    “In order to be alpha in a woman’s eyes, you only need to be perceived as higher status relative to her.”

    Women don’t care about “alpha” in and of itself. The correct way to phrase your sentence would be “In order to be sexually attractive in a woman’s eyes, you only need to be perceived as higher status relative to her.”

    It’s all about relative status. Guys would do well to forget about the alpha/beta bullshit and concentrate on what really matters- possessing or having the perception of higher value relative to the target.

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  114. on June 18, 2010 at 8:24 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny,

    you win the poetry contest.

    “be glad you’re getting this shit for free.”

    i honesty didn’t understand one sentence of what you wrote.

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  115. on June 18, 2010 at 8:29 pm gig

    Every hour in life not spent fucking is an hour that could have been spent fucking.

    Whatabout the World Cup?

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  116. on June 18, 2010 at 8:30 pm xsplat

    It’s all about relative status. Guys would do well to forget about the alpha/beta bullshit and concentrate on what really matters- possessing or having the perception of higher value relative to the target.

    The pool boy get’s laid.

    It’s not ALL about status.

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  117. on June 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm xsplat

    It’s not only about what Jonny 5 says. He’s also a free personality coach. What a likeable guy.

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  118. on June 18, 2010 at 8:43 pm samseau

    “The pool boy get’s laid.”

    with cougars

    “It’s not ALL about status.”

    yes it is

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  119. on June 18, 2010 at 8:47 pm Mark

    One of the commenters above stated that if prostitution were legalized in the U.S. it wouldn’t make a difference because it would be too expensive for most guys. I don’t think you can assume that if it was legalized the price would stay the same because a lot more women would enter the profession if it was legal. The increased supply would drive down the price. I just did a quick internet search and found you can hire prostitutes in Amsterdam and Tijuana for around 80 bucks. A lot of 50 year men like myself would be strongly tempted to skip over chasing after 45-50 year old women if they could hire a pretty young hooker on a regular basis for 80 bucks. I’ve always wondered if it’s more than a coincidence that prostitution seemed to be more common in the nineteenth century U.S. before women received the right to vote. Many women, especially middle aged ones, are probably at least dimly aware that keeping prostitution illegal gives them a monopoly on providing sexual access and enables them to demand more from men in return for that access.

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  120. on June 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm xsplat

    “Whatabout the World Cup?”

    Watch it while fucking.

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  121. on June 18, 2010 at 8:51 pm xsplat

    Samseau, you have to be extremely reductionist to the point of stripping all meanings and contexts from language to say that all sexual desire is about status. You’d have to say that humor is about status. Charisma. Good looks. I mean, ya, you can say it, but then it all becomes a mushy, meaningless blur, and instead of status you could substitute any word. X. It’s all about X.

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  122. on June 18, 2010 at 9:02 pm Mike

    Hi all,

    new to game….

    (UK Ex-pat, low 30’s, high paid job)

    so I live in a place where there are alot of beautiful Russian girls, I mean really beautiful – In southern Europe with alot of coastline, that should be enough for you to work out.

    Anyway, there is this girl who works the early shift in a 24hr. I go there alot to pick up supplies after work, so i know her (its only 30 yards from my flat).

    So, as far as i am concerened my DHV is at least implied – though she is really good looking, and im pretty average.

    So tonight, i go there and she has just got off, but is standing out the back haing a cig while talking to the new drone (big ugly guy).

    I go up to her (easy approach for me as we have said hello a hundred times): “Hi, its one thing that you work here, but i didnt expect to see you hanging around once you done?” (“longer than you had to…” would have been better i suppose)

    It went good from there, number closed. I doubt it will go any further, too cute for me.

    So if you have an obvious economic DHV, do you need to adjust your game? Or can you just use it?

    cheers

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  123. on June 18, 2010 at 9:10 pm luvsic

    happinessexperiment reminding me of this guy

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  124. on June 18, 2010 at 9:28 pm ahappinessexperiment

    mike,

    if u think she s too cute for u u have no chance. adjust ur mental attitude first. DHV isnt everything. in the first world the single biggest mistake guys make, in fact the recent theme here, is guys assuming economic status has much value on its own anymore. in southern europe it prob does have some value, but still best not to consider it has much. it doesnt speak for itself. if it did, she would have already reacted like it did.

    here s the mindset u should have. u r already fucking her younger, hotter, tighter sister. talk to her as if she would be a step down from that.

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  125. on June 18, 2010 at 9:30 pm The Rational Male

    Attraction isn’t all about status (looks play into the equation as well), but attraction that stems from status IS all about relative status. In other words, if you are hitting on a chick outside your social circle all you have to do is push her buttons making her think you have status. Within your social circle it is a little different. Here you must be perceived as having status by the group in order for it to make you more attractive

    Humor and charisma imply status, BTW.

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  126. on June 18, 2010 at 9:36 pm Rum

    Mike
    I have the greatest admiration for the British people. Hell, I even own a British car(a Lotus) And I do not agree with the Brit-bashing that is going on just because BP fucked up a simple drilling project that is now poisoning the entire Gulf of Mexico. I mean, it was an accident.
    And today is, more or less, the 60th anniversary of Churchills “Finest Hour” speech. I can quote most of it from memory.
    Nonetheless, the distance from where you are now to where you need to be is quite large. I bet you have never killed anything with your bare hands, right?

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  127. on June 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm gig

    Watch it while fucking.

    naaahh

    The number of girls greatly exceeds the number of World Cups. It is called “the beautiful game ” for a reason.

    [editor: beautiful game myass. more like the political game. goddam ref stole a win from us! didn’t he get the memo? we got a black man for prez. no need to envy and hate us anymore.]

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  128. on June 18, 2010 at 9:43 pm johnny five

    xsplat,
    It’s not only about what Jonny 5 says. He’s also a free personality coach. What a likeable guy.

    there you go again, misdirecting.
    first, i don’t really care if i’m likeable; “likeable” is only useful for keeping at bay forces that you don’t know how to tame.
    second, if anyone here would know about the irrelevance of being liked, that would be you; you’re by far the best here at going out of your way to be as gratuitously unlikeable as possible. ironically, there’s a certain charm in that, as there in in little kids who just love to act out.

    —

    but, as long as you’re tossing around the vitriol:
    let’s see here.
    * you fancy yourself an entrepreneur;
    * you lay claim to this vast, diverse harem;
    * you have said on numerous occasions that you don’t care who else is fucking your girls;
    * you proudly proclaim, with precise figures, the incredibly cheap cost of living in your locale;
    * you see your girls as commodities, and aren’t shackled by even a rudimentary notion of ethics;
    and yet
    * you go on and on and on and on about your living hand-to-mouth forever and ever.

    why, then, wouldn’t you put your coven of lovelies to work for you, and pocket the profits? at least enough to upgrade your diet from shoe leather to rawhide?
    some entrepreneur you are. seems like you’re all talk, though i’ll give you kudos for talking some good talk.

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  129. on June 18, 2010 at 9:53 pm ahappinessexperiment

    anyone else get the idea johnny is a pimp?

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  130. on June 18, 2010 at 10:12 pm JB

    I am taking notes, Johnny Five.

    I have to say that your concept of continually pushing a woman gives me a much greater tolerance for long term relationships. I thought it would be work, the price of libido honorably slaked, but now it sounds at least half fun. And I’m talking just about the tint of cruelty, no doubt the depravity itself will be great. I can even envision myself with an old woman who has grown in sophistication under my tutelage.

    Roissy or someone in comments recently posted the story of some model who lived in a Saudi prince’s harem before marrying a rock guitarist. The article illustrates the impossibility of continually ramping up money well – I think she left after a year despite being showered with jewels etc.

    I’ve also watched a bit of battle of the bods lately – great television – and can see the notion of female stratification in characters like Josie and various other deluded bitches of the group in different episodes. You can either cringe and rue Eve’s fall or grin and dream of S&M, and the latter’s just more fun.

    I will have to digest the mercator projector / lacquer concept a bit more, but I feel I am already doing this. Rather than try to finesse social life and internal game with many techniques, I try to live by one or two simple maxims most of the time. One of them is “In Male Fide,” which needs no explanation. It gets the job done.

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  131. on June 18, 2010 at 10:15 pm gig

    [editor: beautiful game myass. more like the political game. goddam ref stole a win from us! didn’t he get the memo? we got a black man for prez. no need to envy and hate us anymore.]

    Yeah. Given that US blacks are the only blacks on Earth that don’t play soccer, Obama counts as white as far as the World Cup is concerned.

    And stop thinking in playoff terms. you just need a win against ALgeria to go to the second round. And don’t forget that if you lost a goal against Holy Mother Slovenia* , you gained a goal against England.

    * dad returned from Europe and told us that grandmother wasn’t born in Italy after all, but in Holy Mother Slovenia

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  132. on June 18, 2010 at 10:16 pm Badger Nation

    “It was men who built civilization, but it was the women who gave them a reason to build it. Why invest in the future if you have no children whom to benefit from that investment. Especially if securing your personal needs in this fertile world was so easy.”

    This is an incomplete analysis. Why? Because the male ego cares about more than pussy. As we’ve built civilization, we’ve passed on genes that are strongly motivated to be constructive and make the world better.

    Human males who are only motivated because “women give them a reason” are behaviorist worker bees. They get our basic shit done, because if they don’t the family starves. But truly creative, productive people who really change the world have much deeper ego needs than just getting some poon. (Although it is hard to tell because sexual appetite is sometimes correlated with said ego, a la say Bill Clinton, and you get wannabes who try to climb the ladder just so they can get chicks.) Ditto for many artists, who are possessed of a spirit of expression regular people just can’t fully understand.

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  133. on June 18, 2010 at 10:20 pm polymath

    J5,

    **Fortunately, if you can actually obtain her presence, you have the huge advantage over other men that you are there and they’re not — the hard part is accomplished already.**

    this statement reveals more than one might think about your passions, pursuits, and career trajectory.

    Interesting you should say that, because in that statement I was consciously backing your earlier statement

    to get real SEXUAL attraction, you just need to be more of a man than she is.
    the reason why “game” has proliferated to such a degree is because soi-disant “men” are finding this difficult these days.

    In other words, once you have got her attention, being more of a man than she is shouldn’t be so hard if you are not beaten down and beta-ized.

    That does reveal something about me — that I had more trouble with getting initial interest than in following up. If I ever got to the second date, I did fine, because my personality was something girls actually liked once they got to know me, and I was able to turn this interest into attraction. But without knowledge of game, my successes in getting past the first date were pretty random.

    Of course Joose was in a different situation than the ones I am used to, but the Woody Allen principle (90% of success in life is showing up) applied in his case too — despite the lameness of his caveman texts, he got a chance to close the deal which he failed to seize–an invitation to escalate from texting to face-to-face contact, which only needed the right response to secure.

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  134. on June 18, 2010 at 10:23 pm Badger Nation

    “Why invest in the future if you have no children whom to benefit from that investment.”

    Another note on this: I think this is a fallacy. In fact, on balance having a family SHORTENS your “time horizon,” since you go from planning your long-term life to worrying about how to pay the bills and put food on the table for a bunch of mouths who can’t produce for themselves.

    BTW, this idea that family “forces men to be responsible” doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. There are plenty of deadbeat dads and husbands who don’t really give a crap about being responsible. Responsible people will respond positively to the pressures of providing; irresponsible people will just make a bigger mess that impacts more people.

    Of course this is all a distribution. Some guys, freed from the pressures of being a beta provider, will spend their extra cash on blow and hookers and have nothing to show for it later.

    But others, many others, will stop thinking about how to make ends meet and start looking at long-term investment strategies, entrepreneurial risk, career changes that entail low-paying entry jobs, and things like that which develop them more than a soul-crushing clock-punching job that brings home meager but reliable bacon.

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  135. on June 18, 2010 at 10:31 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny, are you a pimp?

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  136. on June 18, 2010 at 10:42 pm Trimegistus

    The usual gang of commenters here are a clever and entertaining bunch, but I don’t believe ANYTHING any of them report about their personal lives. Somehow I just doubt that many self-employed millionaire expat entrepreneurs with mini-harems can find the time to sit around in their underwear reading ‘blogs.

    Or, more succinctly: I bet if we all went out for drinks everyone would want separate checks. And the waitress would complain about the tip after we left.

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  137. on June 18, 2010 at 10:42 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny,

    do u do that stare down thing on new recruits that other black pimps normally do?

    how do u dress? u flashing the bling, man?

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  138. on June 18, 2010 at 10:43 pm Badger Nation

    “given that most kids of my generation (and all successive ones) have been raised by parents who truly believe that their wretched little spawn are wonderful and amazing human specimens regardless of whether or not they really are, why aren’t more kids growing up alpha?”

    Because they’ve been coddled by a helicopter mother and a beta-tized father and haven’t learned how to actuate the world in their favor because their parents have done it for them.

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  139. on June 18, 2010 at 10:48 pm CHICKS LOVE $$$$$

    100% WRONG. This is a “man’s depression” with men losing the bulk of the jobs. Women hold poor men in contempt. You are an undercompensated gigolo, a passing fancy and are unmarriageable to hotties. The alpha act is a temporary con routine.

    7-fig net worth means a girl needs to show you her modeling portfolio if she wants a date.

    You boys need to stop squandering your life banging random chicks and make an enterprise…. then spend your days banging 10’s.

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  140. on June 18, 2010 at 11:00 pm Badger Nation

    “do women get wet for bill gates?”

    ahe explained this pretty well but I want to reemphasize.

    Bill Gates has a public image of geek-boy. I think this is a false image. Gates’ contribution to Microsoft has BY FAR been his business calculus and bold vision rather than code product. He is a ruthless businessman who has bought or crushed countless competitors.

    How about a brass balls moment? When IBM pinged Microsoft for an operating system for their original PC, Gates told them they had something that fit the bill. They didn’t – Microsoft then bought an OS from a third company, christened it MS-DOS and sold it over to IBM. It’s like the sales equivalent of the apocalypse opener.

    Compared to a flamboyant, camera-seeking personality like Steve Jobs, very little is known to the general public about Gates’ day to day demeanor. He did come from money and went to preppy schools, so it’s likely he’s got some of that effete attitude, but he could also have been the guy stuffed in the locker by the academy rugby team.

    In any event, I find it difficult to imagine that anybody whose has made that many successful business decisions lacks close-up social skills, so I bet he has the ability to make ’em tingle.

    I do know that especially in the early days, Gates was positively feared among the uSoft staff (read the book “Microserfs”). He was not some reclusive genius coding with the door closed…he was cracking the whip to make the business run.

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  141. on June 18, 2010 at 11:01 pm ahappinessexperiment

    anyone want to bet me on whether johnny is a pimp or not? im offering 20 to 1 odds.

    i picture him as sort of a young don king. ive heard don king was a surprisingly brilliant shakespear scholar.

    vegas, boxing, black, poetic…

    cept stead of pimping men ur just pimping women the old fashion way.

    i dont doubt ur alpha status. but this explains why u dont understand social status, at least in the white world. u dont live in the world. u live in a subworld.

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  142. on June 18, 2010 at 11:01 pm Badger Nation

    “Whatabout the World Cup?”

    Fuck the World Cup and their incompetent/malfeasant officials.

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  143. on June 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm ahappinessexperiment

    johnny,

    to quote GBFM, would u drink from an open coke can u found in n alley? why not? odds r it hasnt had a cock in it. but u fuck ur girls after theyve had a thousand other cocks in them?

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  144. on June 18, 2010 at 11:59 pm Anonymous

    Perhaps Johnny 5 is Chris Langan.

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  145. on June 19, 2010 at 12:15 am ahappinessexperiment

    no, he’s a pimp with gaudy tastes a large vocabulary and bad diction.

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  146. on June 19, 2010 at 12:40 am namae nanka

    “On a different note…

    …all this doesn’t explain why most mothers who have sons raise those sons to be beta males – because, as far as I can see, that’s what they do. They teach them to respect and pedestalize women, to supplicate them. This is 100% counterproductive from an evolutionary point of view because they are basically ensuring their sons won’t have success with women and therefore won’t have many children.”

    1)because they don’t know better, they will simply repeat what they have been taught or is in vogue.
    2)to guard against their insecurity of sons leaving them, emotional dependancy on a son, related to 3
    3)Depends on the father and the influence of other men in her life.
    A woman with a beta man who she loathes (or secretly despises due to reasons unknown to herself), will have the compulsion to raise her son an alpha. Especially women with alpha fathers who know alpha behavior.

    A woman with an alpha who doesn’t care for her anymore, or left her for other women would be compelled by her anger to raise her son to be unlike his father.Women who had many alpha pump and dumps before settling with a beta will also have a tendency to do the same.

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  147. on June 19, 2010 at 12:50 am Vincent Ignatius

    Maybe women will just go extinct. Women going into the work force in such large numbers just shows that male qualities are more prized in the modern world. What about a world we reproduce artificially and sexbots and completely realistic virtual sex replace women.

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  148. on June 19, 2010 at 1:24 am Badger Nation

    Any chance the “lozlzlzlzlzll” sound is related to the vuvuzela?

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  149. on June 19, 2010 at 2:04 am JB

    AHE, didn’t you get pwned by Pupu?

    Carry on. You’ve nothing to lose.

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  150. on June 19, 2010 at 3:25 am ASDF

    I just went to a function this evening that was very SWPL/upper middle class. Lots of rich people in attendance. And just about every girl was an 8+. Way hotter on average than the local bar. I, of course, number closed a 7, because I have handsome man non-game, but that is beside the point.

    Maybe it’s something about generations or rich guys marrying hot girls, but if you’re in the upper echelon socially (read: have a good job), the chicks you come into contact with are definitely hotter. I’m going to keep trying to climb the corporate ladder, because I’ve seriously never been in a place with such a concentration of hot girls. You can be a mechanic with all the game in the world, but if you live out in the burbs you won’t reap the rewards.

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  151. on June 19, 2010 at 3:29 am ahappinessexperiment

    yeah, Pupu pwned me.

    i guess i should have said this:

    “just as light colors are only salient against a dark background, such “noble causes” appeal to women only if they are a lacquer that seals, but leaves visible, a more variegated parquet floor of carnal appeal.”

    or this: “a variegated enough background will make the most flimsy of lacquers shine with an intense ardor.

    or this: “with psychological fetters stronger than any of their physical or financial counterparts, to the point of doing his bidding — the profits of which were allocated at his sole discretion.”

    or this: “life is a mercator projection. the parts that are perceived as blown up the most are exactly those whose ice-white visible fascia is silhouetted against deadly, icy cold waters.”

    or, oddly, this: “his simple ability to string together cohesive sentences.”

    finnegans wake got nothing on that.

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  152. on June 19, 2010 at 3:48 am Original JB

    [editor: beautiful game myass. more like the political game. goddam ref stole a win from us! didn’t he get the memo? we got a black man for prez. no need to envy and hate us anymore.]

    I think he was simply upset by the balooning US debt and the potential cascading effects on the world economy.

    When things like this happen we need to ask ourselves “why does the rest of the world hate us so much?” and make a course correction…

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  153. on June 19, 2010 at 4:20 am JB

    AHE, you don’t know how to respect authority figures. You’ve learned to play with authority figures.

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  154. on June 19, 2010 at 4:31 am Hungry Hungry Hippos

    “…all this doesn’t explain why most mothers who have sons raise those sons to be beta males – because, as far as I can see, that’s what they do. They teach them to respect and pedestalize women, to supplicate them. This is 100% counterproductive from an evolutionary point of view because they are basically ensuring their sons won’t have success with women and therefore won’t have many children.”

    This is the question I still haven’t found an answer for. Some people guess that feminism, mothers, and popular culture betaizing their sons is some type of meta-shit test women collectively engage in to weed out beta gene. I’ve also read that mothers are simply in too much denial to realize what they’re doing. Maybe we instinctively know we need dutiful males to exist in order to maintain things.

    I’d like to see some thoughts, nobody has given a really solid explanation as far as I’m aware. But we can also somewhat observe something similar happening with females essentially being misdirected and made less sexually successful. Western culture promotes obesity and encourages unfeminine traits in young women. It’s not quite as strong as how badly it undermines male reproductive success, obviously.

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  155. on June 19, 2010 at 4:34 am Hungry Hungry Hippos

    Things would just seem so easy if men were raised to be dominant, competitive, and with good game, and women to be thin and feminine. It would certainly be in the Darwinian interest of parents to foster these qualities in their offspring. What causes this misleading? (which seems stronger for males)

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  156. on June 19, 2010 at 4:45 am johnny five

    I’d like to see some thoughts, nobody has given a really solid explanation as far as I’m aware

    well, yeah, because the question is preposterous to start with: how could you examine a yin without the corresponding yang?

    teaching alpha 101 is a father’s job, not a mother’s.
    if, after a very long time of performing specialized job functions, one-half of a company staff were suddenly to be laid off, wouldn’t you expect some rather counterproductive extremes and gaps in the skill set of the remaining one-half?

    there’s your explanation.

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  157. on June 19, 2010 at 4:52 am johnny five

    if you want affirmative explanations, my best shot is the idea that
    women’s default instinct — the instinct against which those who don’t want to be cuckolded must constantly exert tension — is to keep, nurture, and tailor the extreme beta-ness of her life partner.
    by contrast, women have no need to nurture alpha qualities in a partner, since those are the fuck-and-run guys.
    therefore, women are finely schooled in the art of betaization, while at the same time completely bereft of any need to nurture alpha qualities.

    finally:
    until just about 10,000 weeks ago, humans existed in large, communal families, in which order, obedience, and productivity were the keys to staving off privation long enough to produce another generation.
    such families had little need to nurture alpha qualities, which require little provocation to burst from beneath the surface of any son so inclined; on the other hand, they had a great need for … more order, more obedience, and more productivity.

    i would thus hypothesize that agricultural societies have a much higher percentage of betas than do nomadic and hunter-gatherer societies.

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  158. on June 19, 2010 at 4:58 am JB

    Hippos, I thought it was the opposite: single mothers tended to raise cads for sons and sluts for daughters, while strong nuclear families raised traditional daughters and beta sons.

    The beta male son portion would mostly be explained by the combination of a generational shift in the sexual market and PC propaganda.

    It’s certainly true that women in general, including mothers, TRY to teach pedestalization to whoever will listen to their superficial words. But they will also favor males who slyly do the opposite, including their sons.

    I guess your question is, why hasn’t evolution provided a way for women to drop the hypocrisy when educating their sons? I think J5 answers that question: the fathers, if they are around, handle inculcation of non-hypocritical societally acceptable sexual norms. If they’re not, evolution assumes the worst and you get a misogynist with pimp potential.

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  159. on June 19, 2010 at 5:13 am JB

    i would thus hypothesize that agricultural societies have a much higher percentage of betas than do nomadic and hunter-gatherer societies.

    I think % of diet meat is strongly correlated with societal alphaness. The undernourished are not intended to be serenely dominant. As I recall some Indian chief writing, “We were never this sick. The white man’s food is not good.”

    But it’s also my sense that alpha cuckolding promiscuity and bastardry are agricultural byproducts, as the majority of men are stripped of both primal status and peak health. So agriculture would produce fewer and weaker alphas who enjoy greater sexual opportunity.

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  160. on June 19, 2010 at 5:27 am sdaedalus

    @ahappinessexperiment
    i guess i should have said this:

    “just as light colors are only salient against a dark background, such “noble causes” appeal to women only if they are a lacquer that seals, but leaves visible, a more variegated parquet floor of carnal appeal.”

    or this: “a variegated enough background will make the most flimsy of lacquers shine with an intense ardor.

    or this: “with psychological fetters stronger than any of their physical or financial counterparts, to the point of doing his bidding — the profits of which were allocated at his sole discretion.”

    or this: “life is a mercator projection. the parts that are perceived as blown up the most are exactly those whose ice-white visible fascia is silhouetted against deadly, icy cold waters.”

    or, oddly, this: “his simple ability to string together cohesive sentences.”

    finnegans wake got nothing on that

    Now, now. Both you and johnnyfive (and indeed the lovely Roissy) are all fantastic writers in your own different styles, you complement one another & all add to the discussion.

    I do think johnnyfive has some very interesting insights though.

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  161. on June 19, 2010 at 5:37 am Jason

    Mark, the primary agenda of suffrage was to outlaw prostitution. There are already a staggering number of women who are involved in some capacity of prostitution. Whether you’re talking about long term pro whores who’ve been getting pumped and dumped for cash for the past decade, or the cute intern at the random non-profit who has a sugar daddy keeping her in the latest designer clothing because mommy and daddy didn’t give her a trust fund, there are hookers everywhere.

    All women support prostitution whether they realize it or not. Suffrage only outlawed cheap prostitution. It’s like the gun laws that outlawed Saturday night specials only served to outlaw firearm ownership among poor blacks. DeBeers was the group who was most empowered by giving women the right to vote.

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  162. on June 19, 2010 at 6:52 am JB

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1282729/Will-doing-EVERYTHING-wife-tells-turn-perfect-husband.html

    This article, will doing everything your wife tells you turn you into the perfect husband, begs to be analyzed by Roissy.

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  163. on June 19, 2010 at 7:20 am Grampa

    Modern American women seem to take a lot of bashing on this blog, but, really, they don’t have it easy, either.

    Imagine American girls in today’s marriage market. Try playing this auction game in your head. Pretend you want to auction off some item, and you figure it’s worth say $1000, just to have some real number to toss around.

    So, there you are, up on the auction podium, and the object you are trying to sell is on full display. The room is full of potential bidders, but nobody has to bid. The rules of bidding here are not the same as the usual auction. In this auction, each bidder will only bid once. You must decide to accept or reject any offer made, without waiting for another bidder to top the current offer. If you reject that bid, you must wait and hope that someone else will bid, but there is no assurance that the bidding will continue. The next bid may be higher or lower than the prior bid.
    So, in a hypothetical case:

    First bid: $500: Reject
    Second bid: $800: Reject
    Third bid: $800: Reject
    Fourth bid: $600

    Now, do you reject the 4th bid?
    OK. Reject
    Fifth bid: All is quiet.
    So, you fail to make the sale, not because there were not willing buyers, but because you overestimated the market value of your object.

    Or, how about this scenario?
    First bid: $1200
    Whoa. Do you grab that bid or think, my Gawd, I have really underestimated the value of my object. Now what?
    Decisions, decisions! Do you accept this offer but suffer seller’s remorse? No wonder girls are devious.

    Factor in this. As time goes by, the value of your object is reduced, so, as the bidding goes on, the real value of your object is falling and the bids will likely keep falling, not rising. Also, people who really want to buy your object will likely have put their bids in first, and so subsequent bids will be less.

    How many of us males would like to find ourselves in that position?

    For guys, the best advice I have seen, or can give, is to develop your professional and personal interests with diligence. Almost everybody is capable of doing better and more interesting things than they are doing today. Get educated, not necessarily in school. Get up and about in the world. Make money and enjoy life. Get out of your comfort zone. You might find the last thing you want is a wife or wife equivalent. And, that spending a lot of your time and energy chasing ass is just plain silly.

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  164. on June 19, 2010 at 8:11 am johnny five

    @ JB

    I have to say that your concept of continually pushing a woman gives me a much greater tolerance for long term relationships. I thought it would be work, the price of libido honorably slaked, but now it sounds at least half fun. And I’m talking just about the tint of cruelty, no doubt the depravity itself will be great. I can even envision myself with an old woman who has grown in sophistication under my tutelage.

    yeah. this made my day. i like to build things, even if by proxy.

    i’m going to throw up a series of posts on this on my nascent wordpress spot, but, for now, here’s the short, chemically fueled late night version.

    1) some people are primarily builders (vertical integrators), while others are primarily thrill-seekers (horizontal integrators).
    most men, and certainly an even greater proportion here, are decidedly the former of these — increasingly so as they age out of their more tempestuous decades.

    2) textbook “game” as taught by PUAs is NOT AT ALL suited to vertical integrators, i.e., people who want to build LTR’s.
    at best it’s irrelevant, since its rewards are not cumulative; people who are not naturally thrill-seekers will quickly tire of successive one-night stands.
    at worst it’s detrimental, since apocalypse-style pickup game stretches women’s boundaries at a rate that is optimally efficient for scoring one-night stands, but is completely unsustainable in an LTR.
    this is why neil strauss couldn’t hold on to his woman. maybe he doesn’t know that yet.

    one of the surprising, yet obvious, ramifications of these facts is that the better you naturally are at pickup game, the worse you will naturally be at LTR game.
    mystery method is an explosion, while LTR game is a controlled burn.
    trying to parlay a one-night-stand pickup into a LTR is like driving the bus in the movie “speed”. you’re stuck at that velocity FOREVER, buddy, or your relationship is going to detonate.
    THIS is the reason why quick sex with slutty girls doesn’t often lead to good relationships — because most guys aren’t inclined, and don’t know, to keep driving the relationship bus that fast. contra everything else written here, a woman’s sexual experience is not the proximate factor in disintegrating those relationships; the proximate factor is the mismatch between that high-velocity experience and the low (or zero) velocity at which most men lead relationships.

    for most men, your traditional “good girls” make the best LTR partners — but for a surprising reason: not because of the characteristics of the girl herself, but rather those of the MAN. if the man drives the bus at 10 mph, he needs a low-velocity woman who likes to ride at 10 mph.

    for a dude like me, whose relationship bus has exactly two gears — park and overdrive — sluts make perfectly acceptable, if not optimal, long-term partners. if i like to drive 100 mph, i need a bitch who likes to ride at 100 mph.
    after a slutty girl is pushed far enough, fast enough, past a certain threshold, she will bond to you as though she were a virgin.
    and you should see where a relationship goes in a few years of traveling 100 mph.
    heh. that’s self-actualization.

    the fallacy in the oft-repeated “inexperienced girls bond more strongly” canard is the hidden assumption that this bonding must be produced by low-velocity vanilla sex. (this, btw, is one of the very trenchant grains of truth upon which are built the massive cloud of bravado and bluster constituting the collected works of xsplat.)

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  165. on June 19, 2010 at 8:51 am xsplat

    Jonny Mirror

    but, as long as you’re tossing around the vitriol:
    let’s see here.
    * you fancy yourself an entrepreneur;
    * you lay claim to this vast, diverse harem;
    * you have said on numerous occasions that you don’t care who else is fucking your girls;
    * you proudly proclaim, with precise figures, the incredibly cheap cost of living in your locale;
    * you see your girls as commodities, and aren’t shackled by even a rudimentary notion of ethics;
    and yet
    * you go on and on and on and on about your living hand-to-mouth forever and ever.

    why, then, wouldn’t you put your coven of lovelies to work for you, and pocket the profits? at least enough to upgrade your diet from shoe leather to rawhide?
    some entrepreneur you are. seems like you’re all talk, though i’ll give you kudos for talking some good talk.

    Wrong on all counts dude. You have either barely glanced at a few things I’ve read, or have poor comprehension.

    But why you are so fascinated with me and my character is weird. I think you are just trying to play king of the hill with me. You are currently trying to one up me with this personality coach, personality critic, personality assassin game. Which is an odd tactic for you to take, because your social skills that you’ve displayed on this forum are sub-par.

    I’m sure you have no care or concern about why all your above points are either inaccurate, incomplete, or counter-factual, so I won’t bother you with reality.

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  166. on June 19, 2010 at 8:56 am Johnny Boy

    Interesting mention-in-passing on third world immigration at the end. I’ve had mixed feelings as to how this pertains to the dating market. Most immigrants, especially the illegal ones, are male and disproportionately single. Obviously, that sounds like bad news. On the other hand, you have to figure that a bunch of short, brown, non-English speakers aren’t going to be much competition. But still, the majority of immigrants are Hispanic, and Hispanics invented the “macho” culture, which is all about male assertiveness and in and of itself a form of game. It’s no surprise that the stereotype of the “Latin Lover” has come to exist – obviously perpetuated by women.

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  167. on June 19, 2010 at 9:07 am Advocatus Diaboli

    Why do most men care about the future of civilization, now that it does not return the favor?

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  168. on June 19, 2010 at 9:13 am JB

    I look forward to reading what you have to say J5, I think it will be original.

    I agree that PUA is mostly geared for STRs. There are a few resources out there if you look hard enough that offer real value for LTRs. The best is Daniel Rose’s Sex God Method. His principles of Dominance, Emotion, Variety and Immersion are in application very similar to your concept of continually pushing a woman. Roissy has written well on LTRs. Also Hypnotica explores novel ways of pushing boundaries mentally, in particular with hypermiric loops. RSD and Hypnotica are very good for achieving the nimbus and state control, respectively. I haven’t read Iceberg Slim yet but he might have a lot in common with your philosophy as well.

    Also, I think you’re not giving sufficient credit to the value of very simple PUA concepts in an LTR. For example, negging, passing shit tests and doing takeaways to cauterize budding fights never lose their utility.

    It’s good to know that sluts are still girls too. Previously, I had my doubts. They just need a tyrannasaurus pimp to prove it. Perhaps I can introduce my sister to one.

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  169. on June 19, 2010 at 10:23 am polymath

    Original JB re the soccer ref who stole the game from the US:

    I think he was simply upset by the balooning US debt and the potential cascading effects on the world economy.

    When things like this happen we need to ask ourselves “why does the rest of the world hate us so much?” and make a course correction…

    I’m usually pretty good at catching sarcasm, but that one had me going for a bit. Well done.

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  170. on June 19, 2010 at 10:24 am Gorbachev

    @Browncoat and Rebelliousvanilla,

    Composed in the early hours from Somewhere On The Road At Some Undisclosed Location.

    This is very long and most people can skip it in good health. I got bored while waiting for proper wakefulness in a hotel room far from home.

    It’s for the Nationalist / Race-Character / Race-IQ people who post here and who watch the trends and think everything is sorting itself out according to Race and Quality and Nation. Don’t be so sure about the death of multiculturalism and the inevitable power of China and the collapse of the US and other wonderful musings of the Right.

    I go for China first. Then mention “multiculti” again. Then the US and English culture.

    I’m tired of this Doom and Gloom about the west. I don’t know about, say, France, but based on history, I’m pretty bullish for the English-speaking world. The English peoples have overcome everything. One generation of extreme feminism can be undone so fast we’ll get whiplash.

    I personally believe that unlike Europeans, the most powerful strength of English culture is its ability to absorb difference and remain itself against all odds; Religions, Races or Conquerors, the English absorb and win and bite back.
    Every – Single – Time.

    So it might be true that racial purity works for Romanians, or Swedes, I don’t know. But it’s irrelevant for the English: We’ve sucked up the trash of everywhere we ever went and made gold, and fuck the rest. There’s some peculiar genius in there somewhere, something, some kernel that always manages to pull victory out of the hat. Just watch.

    I’m an HBDer, but I have no illusions about superiority nor do I have anything against any particular group anywhere. The world is big, and we all get to live here, and should.

    I think the world is great, and maybe all men are my brothers, kinda. And all humans have something to give the world. But just to counter you Pro-This or Pro-That types, I give you my very special slightly pickled anti-Racialist Pro-Western English Culture Screed.

    I sacrificed a good hour for you, Rebelliousvanilla, you 19 year-old non-Gypsy non-Hungarian Romanian. May we all take a moment out of our busy lives to remember the ancient Dacians your Italian settler ancestors exterminated.

    First, CHINA:

    I’ve been all over China in a very behind-the-scenes capacity. If you visit the bigger urban regions, usually a ring of 5 or 6 of them, and talk to the happy, fattened middle-class, even the Chinese think all is good. If you say something negative, educated Chinese shout you down, call you an outsider, say you know nothing; but the truth is the Chinese are profoundly unable to be honest about themselves and their country. They quietly admit this when you get them drunk or they do some soul-searching. They don’t want anyone outside China talking about anything inside China. They even don’t like expatriate Chinese talking about it. Anyone who goes there to do any sort of work related to China has to proceed with extreme caution. But I did this and it’s eye-opening. Yes, what China is achieving is INCREDIBLY impressive. But don’t believe all the hype. Under the dragon’s skin lurk surprises.

    A catastrophe is playing out as we speak.
    Most of the Chinese middle and managerial class think everything is ticking along nicely; but those who are smarter and who aren’t suckered by very well-massaged media and Bred-In-The-Bone Chinese nationalism know: very scary stinky things are afoot.

    Despite the shiny (and unpaid for) new subways, the architecture and the Chip-On-The-Shoulder bravado, the whole system is rotten to the very core. Chinese people can’t deny this, so they usually say it’s irrelevant. But it’s not irrelevant. It’s the most important issue in China.

    Chinese society is increasingly unstable and the people live in a total moral and cultural vacuum. Pouring money into China is making every conceivable social problem worse on a scale you simply can’t understand without doing investigative journalism there and talking to normal people, and *off the record* to senior government advisers, who very quietly wring their hands in angst. Outsiders have no idea of the titanic, unsolvable social nightmares being created, and 1-2 trips there to meet with happy well-paid Chinese can’t possibly educate you. Even the managerial class in China is completely fooled most of the time. They just see their bank accounts – and nothing else.

    Every possible social ill is growing exponentially. The demographics are all bad, if not catastrophic. Every problem that would be an inconvenience in the West is in China a tidal wave of decay and fear. They’re recreating every social problem the West ever had, but they spread as much in 5 years as they did in 50 in the West. And they expand beyond all Western scales. They’ve invented whole new categories of social dysfunction, psychological maladaptation and cretinous shortsightedness found nowhere else.

    The Communist Party has proven limber at adapting, but it’s going to hit a wall at some point within the next 10-15 years, not least because the party has ceased to function *internally* and the people it’s governing are no longer anything resembling a governable people. To rule with an iron fist, you need to do be tough and far-sighted, but most importantly, you need an unremittingly forceful single-minded focus and you need to believe so strongly in yourself that you’ll utterly crush to a pulp any opposition that arises without a hint of mercy, because your only real power comes from fear. The Party, in adapting to the modern age, has given up its “Power”, and replaced it with “Influence”.

    In its defence, it had no choice. Many laud this as a step forward for its survival; they don’t realize that it just prolongs and exaggerates the implosion. The Party has given up its reason for being, and individual members are raping the country in a barely concealed free-for-all. It’s not just about rural corruption any more.

    China isn’t an Empire, and it’s not a Dictatorship. It’s not a feudal monarchy, nor an evolving oligarchic autocracy. It’s barely a single polity at all. It’s a near-total state of social and political decay. More money makes it worse. Every Yuan injected into the economy fuels growth, and fuels social self-annihilation and a scramble for naked social advantage. In-the-know Chinese see it and cry at night. The rest just shuffle on blindly, burying misgivings in hope and national pride, powerless to do anything. I’ve never, ever seen such overall resignation, not even in Cuba, which is saying a lot. I’ve never seen such overweening pride and arrogance, either, arrogance that frankly blinds the educated so completely that they don’t see the walls they’re walking into.

    The list of potential flashpoints is vast. Here’s a very partial list:

    (skip if you want)

    utterly rotten banking system kept in check only by government control, which ultimately is making the problem worse by delaying any positive corrections and magnifying the ultimate disaster; Taiwan: never underestimate this issue: despite Ma’s government, Taiwan will never peacefully become part of China, and China *will* start any scale of war to prevent independence, it has to now that it’s made it a political promise, and the military is getting pushy; ethnic strife; profound labour unrest on unimaginable scales; vast armies of unemployed, underemployed and migrant labourers, who are starting to push harder and harder; lack of women; unchecked (and unknown) but immense spread of AIDS and venereal diseases; large-scale drug use digging deep everywhere; arbitrary and patchy enforcement of laws, with no mechanism to enforce wide-scale compliance with legal requirements; environmental toxicity many thousands of times worse than East Germany; gross overcapacity in production; near-to-bankrupt companies, with far too many small players driving down profits for all companies but driving up resource costs, further bankrupting the banks, and quick-fix patches are just that: the system can’t be fixed fast enough to avoid the inevitable; political inflexibility and total lack of accountability even to the central government; Factionalism in the Communist Party exacerbated by new wealth and new struggles for power more vicious than any in the past; a middle class bought off by growth and promises, but whose loyalty depends ultimately on continued unlimited growth; peasant classes in most areas growing poorer, though some provinces are trying to ameliorate things on a piecemeal basis, which may actually be making resentment elsewhere worse.

    China is actually neither a weak or a strong state: it’s both. This is the most dangerous kind, to itself and others. And it’s a decaying society, but a decaying society with growing collective power. It’s a huge misshapen wheel, spinning about an axis that’s s no longer in the center, bulging this way and that as it careens in every direction at once. Go there and really look hard. See it. It’s fascinating and terrifying, for everyone, especially the Chinese.

    It’s like rebuilding a house from the foundation up while you’re living in it: You *might* rebuild the house, but you’ll definitely kill the residents.

    Lots of smart people advise the government on policy. Unfortunately, many of them contradict each other and much of the decision-making seems to be similar to Washington’s: Political expedience. But not what’s politically expedient for the country; what’s politically expedient for a tiny ruling class. And in China, this class truly is tiny.

    The best “tell” is the behaviour of senior government officials and *anyone* with moxie. They’re sending so much capital abroad – desperate to stash it away elsewhere, in tends of thousands of foreign banks accounts, in foreign business operations, in anything not connected to China – that they obviously know what’s going on. The Chinese government never tells anyone this, but they know it: The corruption is leading to a capital outflow so unspeakably vast it eclipses the actual GDP of many countries, and may rival the inflow of FDI to China. It’s actually hurting China’s growth in a measurable way. This is a very poorly discussed but open secret.

    What’s worrisome about it is what it says about what the leadership actually thinks: They believe that this may be a ponzi scheme, and they’ll risk anything to hedge their bets. If the leadership shows they think this by voting with their money, then the country is completely fucked. Follow the money.

    In some very dangerous ways, the central government is a paper tiger. In other ways, its ability to regulate is absolute, but it’s often regulating badly. Some of its actions are confusing and contradictory. Different agencies build internal empires to oppose each other. Some of what the government does – just enough – is okay. Enough to prevent more trouble, which extends the rot for longer, building up the reckoning.

    Money and power, in this case, are corrupting and creating mass misery. A (relatively) small urban middle class is living it up on Fiat money. Instead of building a new society as happened when the West industrialized, any Chinese person who is honest (there are a few) and observant (there are more of these) can see what’s going on. And all of the basic trends, the ones that matter – demographics, political, social – are almost wholly negative, catastrophically negative.

    The Americans can strip 10 years of savings from China by letting the US dollar suffer; this will erase in one minute the Chinese collected surplus of a decade and a half. The Chinese are aware of this and are making moves to get out from under the scary shell game, but if the US goes under, it’ll crush China’s savings and plunge it into nightmare. So no one can jump away from this morbid dance of death, with each partner’s hands around the other’s neck. China can’t really escape, and a few successful national brands or some Chinese-made cars won’t make a difference.

    And the Chinese know it. They talk about it. There’s power and weakness both ways. It’s a sick, sick, sick cycle of mutually poisonous dependence. It’s all predicated by irresponsibility on both sides. China is leveraging its accumulated labour surplus in Fiat dollars to fund self-destructive growth because it won’t reform politically, and the US is borrowing it back to prop up consumption and the illusion of power, while the elite get richer and richer in each country. The US action spawns the same in other countries. It’s a death spiral for everybody. It’s Global Thermonuclear Musical Chairs with a hundred players and only a handful of chairs.

    At some point, one of those flashpoints (who knows which one) will ignite it like lightning in a dry forest.

    Talk to the honest Chinese economists and social scientists. They’re not universally happy people. Most just hope critics will shut up and the problems will go away on their own – because there’s no real solution to any of them.

    Social fracturing, an inevitably much worse police state to control the masses, more or less constant low-level uprisings and conflicts, ethnic troubles of huge proportions, total environmental meltdown, the concentration of more and more power into the hands of fewer and fewer aristocratic families – it’s a return to Imperial China. But this time, it’s not a corrupt society – it’s a society of corruption. Without very serious political reform, and real accountability, it’s all going to shit at some point. And reform might not even be enough.

    MULTICULTURALISM

    According to one economist I read, the only countries avoiding the nasty trend of economic discord are places similar to Canada or Singapore. Singapore is its own case, and it’s just a city, so I’ll leave it.

    But Canada is the so-called “alternate” North America, and I’ve been there, too (albeit just for projects, I only really know what I’ve read), so this meant more to me. He argued it has the single most important element in any country’s success: a rock-solid, “boring” but integrated financial system built on conservative and aggressively unadventurous regulations.

    It also has an inclusive and non-polarized political system with genuine public debate and vibrant liberal democracy, more successful today than ours (for management purposes). It’s not run by quixotic visionaries, but they at least have extremely competent managers. They have a very “principled” stand on most issues: Yes to Afghanistan, no to Iraq; Pro-Israeli and Anti-Jihad but not anti-Muslim. I think that’s retarded, personally, but I can respect the (misguided) principle.

    Here’s where “multiculturalism” helps: Massive but well-planned immigration gives them personalized trade contacts with the entire damned planet, and most of the best parts *. And even though they stress “multiculturalism”, all it does is lull immigrant groups into cultural torpor, so their children and grandchildren are absorbed more effectively. The cultures don’t think to resist, and assimilation seems to be happening more readily than here, where we want to force people to adapt or get out.

    I personally think both methods have their advantages; I just find it ironic that we call ourselves a “melting pot”, but we’re more segregated and less mixing occurs; and Canada calls itself “multicultural”, and more mixing occurs. One of those ironies of life.

    But I’m a firm believer in the occasional Good Swift Kick In The Ass Acculturate Already Yankee Method, myself.

    * One thing: When I was in Trinidad, almost all of the processed food products and canned/packaged foods were from Canada, along with the machinery. When I asked why, the owner of the store said: we import everything from Canada, because all of the Trinis go there. The banks were nationalized, but they were originally Canadian; the companies all had head offices in Canada. One Trini said it was like a little Canadian colony. Why? Because Canada let enterprising Trinis immigrate, so now Canadian cookies are on sale in Trinidad.

    They have universal education that means something. Great (if not excellent) universities similar to the best state-schools in the US (but no Ivey Leagues, I think). A bustling and well-protected media sector.

    On the media I can talk with some authority, at least.

    I was very impressed with the media: I work in media, so I found Canada’s media markets and institutions pretty damned impressive, all-around, especially for a small country. Much more impressive than Australia or, say, France (*Way* more impressive than France, actually). The quality of the political debate was leagues and away better than anything in the U.S. Only the BBC could beat down the CBC for news depth and breadth.
    (I totally fell in love with CBC radio while I was there – it’s like an NPR lover’s wet dream times a thousand, but actually good. Double-take. I didn’t think this was possible).

    I watched some unbelievably good news documentaries when i was there, after the news clips. And then I found out – they have these documentaries every night, made by relative nobodies, as a matter of course, one after another. The audience numbers are pretty high, too. I didn’t know North Americans could pull this off. Seriously, they may not have the New York Times (which might be a good thing), but their TV news docs blow American news coverage out of the water and off the planet.

    In many ways, it was humbling, and a total shock.

    Canadians probably think I’m just another ignorant arrogant Yank for saying this, but I was shocked because normally your country is a bit of a laugh down here; but I think we shouldn’t be laughing as much as we do.

    As an American I was shocked by lots of things. I talked to some Canadian friends here in Mass. Our quiet neighbouring country, filled with hosers and moose, I thought it was just our own Continent-Sized Campground. Instead, they have one thing that really got me:

    An enormous trade surplus, Dollars in the bank, And their taxes pay for real shit. Like schools far better than any American public schools. They have a huge trade surplus with the US. Actually, their trade surplus is similar to many Asian countries. They actually make cars and companies like to operate there (partly because of no medical insurance liabilities). Their free medical care hasn’t crippled their society. It seems a hell of a lot better than Obamacare, for sure.

    My taxes don’t pay for shit. I get crap-all. Bloat and Feminazi Welfare and foreign wars. Canadians actually get something. That just blows my mind.

    * Note for Canadians: You need more roads and please get rid of the potholes. Seriously, it’s embarrassing for you. Malaysian roads have fewer potholes than yours do. And stop being such pansies: don’t say “Sorry” when you nudge people. If people piss you off, you CAN say, “Fuck off!” You don’t have to be polite and stand there like turds.

    Okay, if multicultural societies are supposed to be toilets, I’ve got this to ask:

    How in the living fuck did *Canada* do this, of all places in the world, and how we not notice as they butt-fucked our trade deficit?

    They went from 3rd-world basket case up there with Argentina in 1945 to this in 3 generations. I thought Korea was impressive, but I had no idea. I thought Canada was populated with a bunch of socialist hacks who couldn’t even get socialism right, smoking dope in Stanley Park in Vancouver while they tough out brutal winters by eating turnips and maple syrup.

    Seriously, people: Canada. WTF? No, really. Seriously?

    When I was there, this is what I saw: Happy people. White, non-white, black, lots of Asians, lots of dark-haired Britishy types, even Somalis (bad news there, BTW, a ticking time bomb), Greeks, Italians, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Mexicans (accent-identifiable right away), Portuguese, East Africans, …
    Toronto streets like I’d like NYC to be on a good day; No damned crime by comparison.
    Well-fed, well-educated, middle-class people. Very prosperous (if modest) cities. Lots of great media. Okay, so most of the TV was American and American Apparel seems to be the national clothier, but – damn, if Vancouver wasn’t an extremely fine city, Victoria a gem, and Toronto like New York without – well, without the endless rivers of shit New York has.
    I know, other HBDers say: it also doesn’t have other things New York has. But even with that said: Holy Shit. It just doesn’t seem possible in North America. And they have loads of black people, … just not, apparently, black Americans. Is there a difference? Did they just pick the smart Africans?

    Get this: By and large, they had NO recession or financial crisis. Iceland nearly wiped itself out. Ireland is still weeping, the US is tottering, and Canada lost, … a few jobs. It created more than it lost.

    What – The – Fuck ?

    Here’s a bigger question to contemplate:

    Just who the hell is running our country? Seriously?

    How did we screw ourselves so completely?

    Suggestion:

    Maybe we should contract out the Fed to the Canadians.

    So – American exceptionalism; Chinese exceptionalism (and boy do they believe in that); European exceptionalism; Islamic exceptionalism; White exceptionalism; …

    Don’t be like these “liberal” feminists who can’t see their faces in a mirror or cut off one hand to spite the other.

    We’re a polymorph, polyglot, Bio-Diverse species. All that says is that nothing is as simple as we want to think it is. HBD or no.

    ON THE END OF THE WEST (and the English world)

    Here’s a very special screed, based on nothing but historical instinct. Nothing else. It can be easily discarded as claptrap. I don’t care. But it might be smarter when contemplating the weakness of the West to consider it.

    Oh, and I’m exaggerating to make a point, before anyone calls me a hypocrite for not-quite-being-a-Universal-Brotherhood idealist. For the purposes of this screen, call me a Cultural Chauvinist.

    Perhaps the current form of the United States, with its current governance, is actually in danger. This is probably true.

    BUT

    This is nothing new. In fact, it might be cyclical.

    Before you start carving the gravestone for the West and its acknowledged leaders, the English-speaking peoples, consider this “angle” that you might use to approach the subject. It’s not a scientific hypothesis, just a historical observation that might, just might, be salient. Something to “consider”.

    The Anglii were mentioned in a casual aside by Tacitus 2000 years ago. Just their name and their land, surrounded by marshes and forest, remote and isolated. Their name came from the shape: an “angle” of land poking into the sea.

    Released from Continental Europe, this plucky little band of barbarians protected, and then conquered Britain. They absorbed the best of the Celts, endured 300 years of occupation by Franks and Danes, and then absorbed the best of their cultures, too. They then absorbed the refugees and trash of Europe who needed somewhere to go. Jews. Gypsies, for a while. Religious escapees. Serfs. Escaped slaves.

    They were a scrappy, resourceful, not entirely trustworthy but extremely wily and clever people, polyglot, regionalized and divided, but able to absorb any influence while remaining resolutely English. In Europe, truly an Island People.

    Then, without any historical warning or apparent knack for it beyond that wily pluck and extreme adventurism, they went on to conquer 1/4 of the world.
    They politically discarded whole empires as if they had no right to exist. Down came the Spanish; the Dutch had no chance; the Russians were just a bother; the Ottomans were propped up and then dumped in the trashbin of history; the ancient enemies, the French, were reduced to inconsequentiality; the Germans, kissing cousins, proved ultimately not up to the challenge, either; the Norse had their chance, but Christianity settled them down nicely; the Africans were steamrolled like helpless sheep, the ancient glories of India couldn’t save it from the genius political wiles of the English, North America fell to the relentless ingenious organized hordes of unleashed humanity from the British Isles, and other Europeans under the firm guide of English culture. The Irish were horn-swaggled and browbeaten and savaged into becoming some of the most gifted English-speakers of all. But now, solidly English, like it or not.

    The English even reached the very doors of China, bashed them, and were stopped only by Chinese “surrender”.

    In real terms, English language, law, ideas and culture has utterly subjugated the ancient, powerful cultures of Europe. The English and their progeny, the United States, created the most effective and best-managed empires of the modern world, or of the world, period. No matter which ex-colony we examine, the best institutional model for them to follow always remains that forged by English colonizers. The modern Indian state is built entirely on the political legacy of English colonialism. Some French Canadian writers say that they were actually better off under English rule than they would have been under French. British Africa was a billion times better off than any piece of African soil under any other power – even native African power. The Boers fucked South Africa up bad. The Belgians were a disaster. The French were mild-mannered cockups. The Egyptians were tutored well by the English, but the rest of North Africa alas succumbed to the incompetent caresses of Italy and France and Spain. If only South America had been colonized by the English – it might be happier.

    Time and time again, the English peoples have proved their credentials as the most devious, ingenious, resourceful, reliable and flexibly principled Political Geniuses the world has *ever* produced.

    The English people fought, tricked and finagled themselves into leadership of the modern Human race. Like it or lump it, it’s a fact. And they did it against almost absurd odds.
    Deny it at the peril of contingent history: This has always, always been ultimately due to the political skills of the English peoples as a whole. Not technology, because they often haven’t had it. Not economics, because this often worked against them. It’s a political and organizational aspect of the culture.

    English peoples are better able to delude themselves when necessary, to delude others when necessary, to see the naked truth when push comes to shove, to band together against terrible odds, to defy fate, and to resist oppression and authority. They can sell snow to Eskimos. This can be seen even in their beginnings. The whole notion of “English Freedom” might sound absurd, as it was a Feudal Germanic culture based on whatever tradition was handy (Salic law, anyone?), but it nevertheless had real meaning, something not even Latin concepts could entirely overwrite. “City Air Makes Free”, as they say. It happened in England. It stuck – deep – in England. Also iceland, but, …

    Let’s face it. English culture and its peoples just don’t like to be serfs. Like a bunch of unruly dogs less happy than others to accept their place, the English are the dogs that cause all of the problems. The problem-makers and the problem-solvers.

    English is now the lingua franca of the entire human race. Their science bests that of the rest of the world combined, historically speaking, too. Even the Germans, who are the second most impressive by a wide margin, must admit this.

    English literature is the largest, most diverse and most impressive body of literature on Earth, from any period of history, in absolute and relative terms. Great works and artists appear in all cultures, but in literature, never in history has a language been so celebrated as English has been by its writers, poets, and bards. No language has absorbed as much foreign influence and still remained something like itself.

    All of this came from a culture bred from the very beginning to absorb, refine and perfect what other cultures do, to blend it all and swallow it whole.

    Unlike French, the language embraces change and diversity. Unlike Chinese, English culture is voracious, devouring other cultures and absorbing them, making them part of itself on its own terms: English culture looks outward as often as it looks in. Unlike Indian culture, it’s not a traditionally rigid hierarchy, and and tolerates massive social transformation every few generations. Not only does English social structure adapt to change, it flourishes through change. It adapted effectively to every social situation and environment on Earth within a generation, unlike most other cultures. New ideas flow freely into and out of English cultures, and always have, when compared to their neighbours.

    When it needs to be open, it’s open. When it need to hunker down and defend itself, …

    And here comes the other side of the coin: WAR.

    No English culture has ever shied from war. When pressed, the sheer level of calculated violence English culture can generate is beyond what any of its enemies has ever been able to deal with long-term. This is not random violence, or vicious violence: Take a good long look at it. It’s controlled, and brutal, and single-minded. It can result in Extermination; it can result in Accommodation; it can result in Absorption. But it always, always results in English victory. The exceptions (Vietnam) prove the rule.

    Battles may be lost – but since 1066, overall wars ultimately never have been.

    English can be gentle, like a velvet glove, but when that fist punches, it girds on a steel glove and pounds its enemies into submission. Push harder, and the response gets harder. Mutual destruction is no barrier. This cat is crazy.

    The English cultures have always thought this: We might like you, we might accommodate you, but you will not conquer us. We’ll do whatever – whatever – is necessary, to not – be – conquered.

    This isn’t unique in and of itself, but what’s unique is this ability combined with a kind of political genius. Russia has power, for example, but politically it lumbers around like a dumb elephant. English political culture can be subtle or savage, but it’s ultimately adaptable.

    English culture still *remembers* 1066, and the bitterness of this humiliating loss. Even after English became Frankified, 1066 remains a bitter memory. The French are *still* despised for it. Even in the U.S., which looks askance at Europe’s ancient hatreds, there’s an abiding contempt for everything French that goes down to the very core of the culture. Aside: It’s interesting that it’s the American Women and effetes who admire France so much, not the men.

    No culture has rallied around its own like the English. No culture has sacrificed more to win a war: Wealth, Men, Cities, or *Morals*. No culture has pushed itself to the very edge of survival with only one goal: Victory. Cultural surrender has always been absolutely inconceivable and unforgivable. And no culture has so consistently, brilliantly won, even despite overwhelming odds.

    Look at the right-wing counterreaction in the US to threatened English culture. It’s growing and looking pretty fucking ugly. And it’s going to get worse, and will lash out with determination if assimilation doesn’t happen. The message will absolutely be: Acculturate or get the hell out, and here, let me help you out the door (kick).

    And there’ll be moral bickering, and etc., but it absolutely will happen anyway. And then in a generation there’ll be apologies and philosophical self-reflection, and eventually a self-pat-on-the-back for Now Being Better People Who Would Never Do That Again. But English culture absolutely *will* do it again. And will excuse itself again. And in both cases, it will be believable, because it will be true. That’s the amazing thing. That takes Chutzpah. It’s not just cultural amnesia that let Americans lie, cheat, steal and butcher their way across North America and then – not 100 years later- humiliate the Nazis for doing almost exactly the same thing. As a culture, we absolutely get away with it, clean. Not even the Chinese, with their diplomatic immunity to almost everything, can claim that.

    In Canada, immigrants all seem to be being absorbed, but there, the message is: We like you. So the immigrants calmly relax, and their children are sucked in without remorse. By the 3rd generation, they seem to mix in and disappear like a historical curiosity (from a Canadian prof I know). So even in the ways of peace, the English have it again. What ho! Every sea is conquerable.

    Both methods work, ours and theirs. The result is exactly the same: More English people.

    No other major culture in history has ever believed in its absolute inherent and unmistakeable superiority, without overcompensating like the Germans, or being blinkered, like the Chinese. Or been able to take punches and consistently punch back harder, longer and with more force. There’s no scrappier and pluckier people. We don’t need to believe it. We feel it.

    Every society that fought English cultures has failed and paid a horrible price for it.

    And any culture that takes a temporary weakness for a sign of permanent undoing, be warned: A culture that made Shakespeare and Woodrow Wilson also made Churchill and Andrew Jackson and MacArthur. Not to mention Elizabeth.

    Also, no culture has so effectively created the world like the English, nor so tirelessly, or so industriously.

    Just when English societies seem on the very verge of collapse, they have this astounding ability to bounce back like an amazing rubber ball. I can’t talk about the French or the Italians, but, …

    Don’t count the West out yet. Nastier bogies have been beaten and beaten hard, when the odds were worse.

    Anyway, Compare:

    China: They *always* choke at the very brink of success. Chinese history is a history of consistently lost opportunities. At every moment when they could have seized history, they dropped the ball. And every time, it’s because of politics. China has *no* political genius, as a culture. This might be changing. But I doubt it.

    Japan: Upstarts. Lucky to still be around, culturally. Might have ended up like the Philippines or Malaysia. Had the stuffing beaten out of them, were learned hard, and now a cultural colony of sorts of America. Same for Korea, but happier in a way.

    India: Politically and culturally stagnant. Impressive, but rigidly hierarchical. Unable to engage foreign cultures effectively. Way too well-defined internally. Divided along race and language and religion for so long, its history is actually a millstone around its neck.

    Africa: ? Thanks for coming out.

    Latin America: The Spanish were a curse, and created hacienda economies. Ruined it all. Built nothing. Plundered. Probably for a while yet.

    The Middle East: Absolutely crippled by fatalism and Islam.

    Continental Europe: Politically arrogant without the political genius to back it up, condescending without any justification. Culturally impressive but wallowing in past success; an unhealthy tendency to introspect. Absolutely suck at moral leadership. No balls.

    Greece: Out o the game since the collapse of the Achaean League. Thanks for the books, though. I’ll absorb those.

    Say what you want, but:

    Falklands. ‘Nuff said. (By an Anglo Woman, too. Thanks, Elizabeth / I mean Marg)
    Kosovo: Europe, dither dither dither. US/UK/NATO: BAM! Was it even a debate?
    Bosnia: Canada: Toughing it out, you poor saps.
    Afghanistan: You punch me, say, nyah nyah you can’t get me; I exterminate your ass. (broke rule: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Damned mountains.)
    Iraq: Why not? Oil = mine.
    Kuwait: You’re welcome.
    Mexico: We’ll just have CA and NM and AZ and, …
    Soviet Union: Told you so.
    Germany: Surrender. Wait. No surrender. Just die. I’ll remake you later.
    Italy: You’re joking. No, seriously?
    France: 100 years of What was That? Who wants Aquitaine anyway?
    The Scots: Nice try.
    The Irish: What, did you get up again? Thwat.
    The Welsh: That’s cute. You just sit there. Nice little welsh. Good Welsh.
    Japan: I Don’t Think So .
    India: Pwned
    China: The bigger they are, …
    Boers: Yoink
    Austronesians: Are you still here?
    Maori: Cool tats. Got anything else?
    Hawaiians: Your taro farm’ll make a great plantation. I’ll let you work for me if you smile.
    Zulu: Thanks for the glorious stereotypes, most useful.
    Native Americans: Sorry and all that. But thanks for the country.
    Spain: You don’t actually need those colonies. They’re bad for you.
    Caribbean: Spice it op, maan.
    Africa: You do it like this. Really, just follow these simple instructions. Never mind.
    Israel: You’re welcome, and good job there. Scary good.
    Panama: Can’t do it? Let me try.

    History says this: Don’t test the mettle of the West (the English peoples). It’s not a good historical risk.

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  171. on June 19, 2010 at 10:24 am The Editor

    Chateau/R tell it like it is! Only the beta, gamma, lesser social creature kiss women’s arses. It is time to kickout the pedastal for a view at reality.

    As for the employment pool…Women are a problem to the workforce b/c most of them lack efficiency. Some of them are hardworking, apprecitative, efficient. But not many. White men know their place in soceity is not too firm, they can be hired, fired, then told to put their dreams on hold b/c the affirmative action hire NEEDS A CHANCE. yep, that is the system. and a female HR type will tell you just that. men need to recognize that self employment, contract work, or leaving the US are all viable options. It is really is that bad…Or opt to work in a all male environment or get with other men who think you for the workplace. Think…engineering? anyways…

    I was trying to listen to the lyrics of this stupid newer song called “bulletproof”, its like euro pop, or pop whatever, but the dip shit says, “I’ll never let myself be swept off my feet by you”. something like that…dumb women, dumb singers and the serf celebrate this pop trash. Men do not like bulletproof ballbusters, they want a soft, loving creature they can lead.

    lp999

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  172. on June 19, 2010 at 10:28 am Gorbachev

    @JB

    I agree that PUA is mostly geared for STRs. There are a few resources out there if you look hard enough that offer real value for LTRs.

    I think I’m tempted to try to turn a potential STR into an LTR, but I’ve not managed this (nor wanted to yet).

    I find I must learn different game.

    Conceptually. I must find a new source.

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  173. on June 19, 2010 at 10:34 am The Editor

    @ the rational male…

    fair point, but some women being this one beleive the rock star-musicians are tempermental moody fools. they come off as weak, living in poor-dom and annoying.

    if the only thing you have to offer is music you are not someone I’d listen to.

    rockstars are…correct me if I am wrong, they seem serfish, they use the music, or this “talent” they think they have as a shield for needy gamma/betaness. and rock stars are grimy.

    that hair, endless, ear rings, tatoos, yucky clothes, most of them are druggies…not fun. not hot.

    how do I know? I used to work for a record label.

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  174. on June 19, 2010 at 10:35 am polymath

    J5,

    Your thesis makes sense — a corollary is that even vanilla LTRs can eventually get pretty freaky, because at 10mph you still travel pretty far over the years….though at 100mph, you can get to the moon in less than a year.

    Is the velocity specific to the woman, or specific to the relationship between the man and the woman? Are there some girls who need 100mph from the beginning, or do they all start out satisfied by 10mph?

    This analogy can bear further weight, I think.

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  175. on June 19, 2010 at 10:37 am meeee!!!

    Johnny 5

    Why are men so drawn to feminine charm? My guess is a cute gals cutesy games would never make you melt, so why does it work on some men and not others?

    Thanks! 🙂

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  176. on June 19, 2010 at 10:47 am the dude

    alternatively the luxury of earned wealth through work spent on yourself rather than a hag opens new dimensions. More consumption of purely male goods.

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  177. on June 19, 2010 at 11:45 am Original JB

    “And any culture that takes a temporary weakness for a sign of permanent undoing, be warned: A culture that made Shakespeare and Woodrow Wilson also made Churchill and Andrew Jackson and MacArthur. Not to mention Elizabeth.”

    The cyclical temporary weakness may in the grander scheme be an inoculation of sorts – perhaps against the kind of complacency that causes much more lasting (or permanent) damage due to lost adaptability.

    “Look at the right-wing counterreaction in the US to threatened English culture. It’s growing and looking pretty fucking ugly. And it’s going to get worse, and will lash out with determination if assimilation doesn’t happen. The message will absolutely be: Acculturate or get the hell out, and here, let me help you out the door (kick).”

    And the recently assimilated (or their children) will be among the leaders in the fight. Genius!

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  178. on June 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm game_in_bk

    Gorb, as others have said- you should start a blog. I’d like to take your post and paste it on my blog. It deserves its own posting, esp before its lost to the roissy archives. *With your permission of course.

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  179. on June 19, 2010 at 1:11 pm xsplat

    Gorb, hope you make it out to Indonesia sometime to collect your well earned beer.

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  180. on June 19, 2010 at 1:24 pm polymath

    Gorb,

    Good post, articulating something I have long felt but never seen put so clearly. It’s the reason I’m generally optimistic about the future. However, although the English-speaking peoples as a whole will still end up on top, how do you explain what has happened to Britain itself in the last 65 years? Even there I believe the core toughness still exists, but they have allowed the collapse of their culture to proceed shockingly, incredibly far, despite your praise of their fundamental refusal to accept the possibility of conquest.

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  181. on June 19, 2010 at 1:32 pm Dalrock

    @Höllenhund

    Let us not forget that beta husbands get cuckolded by alphas all the time. I’m sure that 15-25% of dutiful beta provider husbands are raising children that aren’t theirs. One more reason why I’m not buying the argument that betas on average have more children.

    Whos Your Daddy? Global Nonpaternity Rates.

    Men who think their kids are their own are right roughly 98% of the time. Men who aren’t so sure (the Maury Povich crowd) turn out to not be the father roughly 1/3 of the time. So, yeah, it happens. But not as often as speculated by some on this blog. If your wife/gf moves her head from side to side, bugs her eyes, and says “I’m 10,000% sure you are the baby daddy!”, you might have a problem.

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  182. on June 19, 2010 at 1:41 pm The Rational Male

    “For guys, the best advice I have seen, or can give, is to develop your professional and personal interests with diligence. Almost everybody is capable of doing better and more interesting things than they are doing today. Get educated, not necessarily in school. Get up and about in the world. Make money and enjoy life. Get out of your comfort zone. You might find the last thing you want is a wife or wife equivalent. And, that spending a lot of your time and energy chasing ass is just plain silly.”

    Well said.

    With a name like “grampa” I am assuming you’re an older cat.

    Although times have definitely changed in the past couple of generations and it is often dangerous to listen to the advice of people who lived in a different time, I can tell your words stem not only from life experience but also from an understanding of society as it has evolved over the past 40 some years.

    I’m a little older than a lot of guys in the PUA community and probably a lot of guys here (I’m 38). Once you reach your mid 30’s and have experienced women of all flavors, you realize that one pink hole is pretty much the same as the next and racking up a whole bunch of notches doesn’t fill every void.

    I think a lot of these guys are going to wake up and realize that this extremely tempting “game is god” lifestyle will have ultimately dug them into a hole.

    Although getting laid is nice, there is a lot more to life than getting your dick wet.

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  183. on June 19, 2010 at 1:41 pm Dalrock

    While on the subject of cuckolding, I thought everyone on this board would enjoy this article as well:

    If you want to know what women have been up to, look at men’s genitals II: The penis

    the human male during copulation engages in repeated thrusting motions before he ejaculates. The combined effect of the particular shape of the penis glans and the repeated thrusting motions during intercourse is to draw foreign semen back away from the cervix. If a female copulated with more than one male within a short period of time, this would allow subsequent males to “scoop out” semen left by others before ejaculating. In other words, according to Gallup, the human penis is a “semen displacement device.” It is designed and used to remove other men’s semen from the cervix before the man ejaculates.

    If women did not engage in extensive extra-pair copulations throughout human evolutionary history, then the human penis would not be shaped as it is (like a wedge or scoop), and the human male would not engage in repeated thrusting motions during intercourse before ejaculating. Clear evidence of women’s promiscuity throughout evolutionary history is in the size and shape of men’s genitals and what men do with them.

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  184. on June 19, 2010 at 1:42 pm ASDF

    Gorbachev:

    I admittedly didn’t read the entirety of your post, but I do have two comments:

    1) Speaking as a Canadian, the Canadian government is working double-time through to destroy Canada’s British heritage. Like you said about the US, you can’t force all these immigrants to assimilate, so we just water down our culture so that being Canadian means nothing more than liking beer and hockey. Oh yeah, and being tolerant. That is the defining characteristic of Canadians as defined by our government.

    2) British culture doesn’t work without the British people, or people who look British and can assimilate (e.g. other European immigrants to Canada). Canada remained British long after the last garrison moved out because it was dominated by British Canadians. Same with Australia. Contrast that to other British colonies like India. It is a dump, and English civilization never took there, primarily because of the quality of the people. The Indians who move to Canada are just the worst sort. Not too bright, prone to crime, and definitely not tolerant and thankful towards their hosts. They certainly do not retain any of the civility and culture that the British might have instilled.

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  185. on June 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm FM newswire for June 19, interesting articles about geopolitics « Fabius Maximus

    […] gives a clearer, less technical explanation of this study’s significant in “Study Confirming My View Of The Job-Sexual Marketplace Nexus“, Citizen Renegade (“where pretty lies perish”), 18 June […]

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  186. on June 19, 2010 at 2:00 pm Dalrock

    Part III of Dalrock pedastilizing women:

    Higamous hogamous, women aren’t truly monogamous

    when female ejaculation occurs (and it seems to be possible in around 40% of women), it often occurs slightly before the female orgasm. The fluids that gush during this event momentarily change the ph balance of the vagina. What happens then? Any sperm already present (say, from a husband) in the vagina are weakened or killed. Then, the woman orgasms, clearing her cervical channels, and her vagina’s ph balance returns to normal. The field is laid, such that the next sperm to enter the woman’s vagina stands the greatest chance for fertilization. And, women are more orgasmic, more likely to be sexually unfaithful, and more likely to be attracted to these genetically high value males, when they are ovulating and are fertile.

    Female ejaculation may serve to “clear the way” for a new lover

    It doesn’t stop there. When the woman returns home, she often waits to have sex with her husband. Research suggests she waits an average of twenty-four hours.

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  187. on June 19, 2010 at 2:12 pm Tupac Chopra

    Hippos:

    “…all this doesn’t explain why most mothers who have sons raise those sons to be beta males – because, as far as I can see, that’s what they do. They teach them to respect and pedestalize women, to supplicate them. This is 100% counterproductive from an evolutionary point of view because they are basically ensuring their sons won’t have success with women and therefore won’t have many children.”

    This is the question I still haven’t found an answer for.

    IIRC, this issue was debated some years back on a.s.f. The concensus was that mothers did so in order to groom their sons to be loyal caretakers in their old age.

    Sometimes it’s not ALL about biology/evo-psych.

    [editor: a simpler explanation is that women, and mothers, aren’t consciously aware the advice they’re giving to men is self-defeating.]

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  188. on June 19, 2010 at 2:15 pm Timitz

    “growth of high paying blue collar trade jobs that women studiously avoid”

    I can confirm this.

    Look at how much construction workers get paid. $20 plus an hour to use a nail gun. Another great example is forklift operators (you need certification for this) who get paid $15 an hour minimum. The last one off the top of my head is a butcher who gets paid $17-20 an hour to hack meat up all day.

    I’ve yet to see a woman in any of these professions, I will note however, that my management job pays $5-10 an hour less than many of these same jobs. A management job that has about 50% women working in it…

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  189. on June 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm Anonymous

    Gorbachev: About Canada; we have wicked potholes because of our wicked winters; the freezing and thawing expands and contracts the asphalt. Patching them up just results in new potholes the next winter.

    There are blacks in Toronto; it’s because we’ve let half of Jamaica immigrate. My opinion, it’s been far from a good thing. As far as blacks go, Jamaicans are the most brutal and least respecting of life (which non-Jamaican blacks here will tell you). Agree with you on Somalians.

    Having been born and raised here, I’m not as cheery about the multiculturalism. As someone else pointed out, some groups assimilate better than others, and some groups absolutely refuse to assimilate. The values brought in by certain middle-eastern and south-Asian peoples conflict so greatly with those of european Canadians, and it frequently creates tension. There are ethnic enclaves in Toronto and Vancouver where immigrants can basically spend their entire lives without seeing white people or speaking English if they so choose (and they often do).

    But other than that, Canada is objectively-speaking one of, if not the best place in the world to live right now. As long as you avoid the dump that is Toronto.

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  190. on June 19, 2010 at 2:28 pm Z

    Im from Canada

    Gorbachav, you’re commentss are funny and you don’t know what you’re talking about with allot of it. If I cared, I sit here and debate, but I just thought to chime in to say that you truely dont much about Canada.

    for one, we’re filled with crime but canada has an image to maintain so things do’t get reported as much and not sensationalized as much as in the USA

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  191. on June 19, 2010 at 2:44 pm Tupac Chopra

    editor: a simpler explanation is that women, and mothers, aren’t consciously aware the advice they’re giving to men is self-defeating.]

    Well yes, but why does the advice take the particular form that it does?

    [editor: perhaps there hasn’t been a strong enough selective pressure against it. maybe women and mothers giving advice to sons is a relatively new phenomenon in the history of human evolution. maybe in our primitive past it was fathers and other men who imparted the wisdom of the ages.]

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  192. on June 19, 2010 at 2:45 pm Nestorius

    GBFM is a Prophet.

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  193. on June 19, 2010 at 3:04 pm walawala

    Anyone seen Sex and the City 2?

    That is a fem-bot fest.

    The gay-beta orbiters…. check

    The meeting with Aiden in Abu Dhabi where he goes direct…kisses her, then stands there like a beta provider while Carrie runs off to tell her husband she kissed an ex…

    Big, now reduced to being called “John”…after learning Carrie has snogged her ex, instead of assuming the worst and banging the hottest chick he can find….Penolope Cruz…he goes and buys Carrie a black diamond..

    When Carrie shit-tests him at the end about “Why a black diamond?”

    He answers directly: You’re different…

    The “I am Woman Hear Me Roar” music video made me gag….

    It’s fascinating to see how this depiction of every woman’s fantasy feeds into the idea that women seek to find guys they can control. Guys who will “understand” them…

    Guys who won’t challenge them.

    Even the hot nanny turns out to be a dyke…..(Scene spoiler)…all’s well that end’s well…

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  194. on June 19, 2010 at 3:22 pm sdaedalus

    Gorbachev

    I think you need yr own blog.

    That last post was the commenting equivalent of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

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  195. on June 19, 2010 at 3:44 pm xsplat

    walawala

    It’s fascinating to see how this depiction of every woman’s fantasy feeds into the idea that women seek to find guys they can control. Guys who will “understand” them…

    Ask a girl what she wants in a man. She’ll either tell you of a fantasy of a guy rolling up in a motorcycle, telling her to get on the back, and whisking her away to unknown adventures, or she’ll say she wants “a man who loves me for who I am”.

    No woman has ever said “A man I can love for who he is”.

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  196. on June 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm xsplat

    That last post was the commenting equivalent of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    And yet it wasn’t too long.

    Better a long, intesting, well written post, then a few sentences of trite say nothing nothingness.

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  197. on June 19, 2010 at 3:51 pm lazy guy

    Gorbachev,

    “I think the world is great, and maybe all men are my brothers, kinda.”

    Whoah, Gorby, it sounds like you’re in luvvvv!

    Good for you. I just hope it doesn’t screw up the good thing you’ve got going with PCG. Really. I like success stories like yours (given your history, prior).

    Thanks for posting the long essay. Fascinating stuff.
    I’ll save it to read it more thoroughly later.

    Roissy, thanks for creating/maintaining this great forum for exchange. Great value — for free?!? Gotta love it.

    Although I may need a 12 step program for this blog (and maybe a few other internet sites) (no, not porn, ye lowlifes!).

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  198. on June 19, 2010 at 3:59 pm xsplat

    Someone I’m not sure how to call (if I spell his old nom-de-plume the comment will go to m od. , and I’m not going to call anyone Chateau) [editor: perhaps there hasn’t been a strong enough selective pressure against it. maybe women and mothers giving advice to sons is a relatively new phenomenon in the history of human evolution. maybe in our primitive past it was fathers and other men who imparted the wisdom of the ages.]

    I’m not so sure. As SE Asia is heavily Matriarchal, as is India, I’d have to say that there must be some selective pressure for women to control who marries who. Ultimately making your boy a loser at love will help you chose his bride.

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  199. on June 19, 2010 at 4:04 pm sdaedalus

    @xsplat
    Better a long, intesting, well written post, then a few sentences of trite say nothing nothingness.

    I agree.

    But long interesting well-written posts make the reader want to encourage the writer to write more. And what better way to do so than for him to get his own blog?

    Also, it would enable him to tell us more about his STR (possibly LTR if he can make up his mind – we are all on tenterhooks) relationship.

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  200. on June 19, 2010 at 4:05 pm xsplat

    I don’t think Chateau can be a nom-de-plume. You don’t call someone tree, or rock, or couch. You call them tundercloud, or moonbeam, or bird. An inanimate object is never a name.

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  201. on June 19, 2010 at 4:11 pm xsplat

    Oh – except that you mentioned that there are multiple writers on this blog. So maybe Chateau is more accurate, as the posts are credited the household, not an individual.

    Either way, it’s not a name.

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  202. on June 19, 2010 at 4:12 pm sdaedalus

    Whether or not you take it as referring to an airport, a town or a house used as a venue for *ahem* activities of every flavor other than vanilla, the original nom de plume was an inanimate object too.

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  203. on June 19, 2010 at 4:14 pm sdaedalus

    It just sounded more like a name than the current one, but that doesn’t change the fact that the original name was used neither as a surname nor a first name either in France or anywhere else.

    Also, probably, somewhere out there, there is a child who has been unfortunate enough to have been given Chateau as a first name.

    [editor: pfft. chateau as a name would be cool. but not as cool as francois dillinger.]

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  204. on June 19, 2010 at 4:15 pm Höllenhund

    “perhaps there hasn’t been a strong enough selective pressure against it. maybe women and mothers giving advice to sons is a relatively new phenomenon in the history of human evolution. maybe in our primitive past it was fathers and other men who imparted the wisdom of the ages.”

    I agree. I guess the answer to my question about mothers is staring me in the face: mothers simply don’t know how to raise alpha males. Responsible fathers do that.

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  205. on June 19, 2010 at 4:26 pm xsplat

    Holl

    mothers simply don’t know how to raise alpha males. Responsible fathers do that.

    Really? Cause I think responsible fathers are more often than not domesticated previously-men.

    You’re more likely to get manly advice from a bachelor than a house-husband.

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  206. on June 19, 2010 at 4:28 pm SDaedalus

    [editor: pfft. chateau as a name would be cool. but not as cool as francois dillinger.]

    Or Nick Twisp.

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  207. on June 19, 2010 at 4:28 pm xsplat

    In Indonesia it’s still uncommon for a “man” to marry anyone his mother doesn’t approve of.

    Women keep men down, even their own sons, for a reason. Women love, love, love betas. A beta makes the best householder. A householder is the most successful overall and least risky mating strategy.

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  208. on June 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm luvsic

    Hell of a post Gorb

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  209. on June 19, 2010 at 6:47 pm Steve Sailer

    Dear Gorbachev:

    Thanks for your long tour d’horizon.

    The political genius of the English-speaking peoples? Perhaps.

    I wouldn’t underestimate, however, the factor that real estate ladies always cite: location, location, location. Monopolizing big island/continents like Albion, North America, Australia, and New Zealand is a lot better than owning, say, Poland.

    How has the English-speaking political genius worked out in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe? New Zealand seems a more convenient location than the middle of Africa. How has it worked out in Nigeria? How is it going to work out in South Africa?

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  210. on June 19, 2010 at 7:11 pm Höllenhund

    “Really? Cause I think responsible fathers are more often than not domesticated previously-men.

    You’re more likely to get manly advice from a bachelor than a house-husband.”

    I used the word ‘responsible’ for a reason. In the past it was the father – with the help of other male relatives – who taught his son how to become a man, i.e. someone who’s not a supplicating mangina.

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  211. on June 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm chic noir

    SS to gorbachev Monopolizing big island/continents like Albion, North America, Australia, and New Zealand is a lot better than owning, say, Poland.

    *gorbachev gives an alpha head nod in agreement*

    *PA turns red*

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  212. on June 19, 2010 at 7:22 pm xsplat

    I do agree with your archetype of the alpha head of household, Holl.

    Just saying, even in times that are conducive to this setup, a lot of guys wind up not being the boss – in nearly all ways that matter. My own father was an incredible guy who even today I esteem over all other men, yet he never learned to have a strong pimp hand. He was a responsible dad not able to give masculine advice for how to tame and train women.

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  213. on June 19, 2010 at 7:33 pm Nicole

    SDaedalus says, “Also, probably, somewhere out there, there is a child who has been unfortunate enough to have been given Chateau as a first name.”

    I know it’s stating the obvious, but said unfortunate is very likely Black.

    This was written by someone whose fundamentalist Christian parents inadvertently gave her a middle name of an ancient war and fertility goddess.

    They now want me to change it, but it fits too well.

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  214. on June 19, 2010 at 8:02 pm polymath

    First Derb, then Sailer! I wonder who else lurks here….

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  215. on June 19, 2010 at 8:17 pm Höllenhund

    What name does Derb comment under?

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  216. on June 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm polymath

    His own, John Derbyshire — he was on a recent thread.

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  217. on June 19, 2010 at 8:49 pm Jeffrey of Troy

    “werewolf

    Donde esta lollozlzolzozllozlzz ?”

    omfg, I just found out where gbfm is from: LOL-LAND!

    http://verydemotivational.com/2010/02/26/demotivational-posters-denmark/

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  218. on June 19, 2010 at 8:52 pm Höllenhund

    OK, I thought he commented in this piece.

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  219. on June 19, 2010 at 9:24 pm Mike

    Sorry to necro and redirect but, for those who read my neophyte post….

    listen i was not clear, I am just learning and was doing this for fun and practice.

    “Too cute for me..” as in too cute for me while i’m learning, but hey who knows, I’ll know by tuesday, assuming she doesnt flake.

    Phone convo:

    Me: ” Listen, i got cancelled, you are not working so meet me at the XXXXXXX at 8:00.”

    (hae no idea if she was working or not, just didnt want to make it a question and thought that left me an exit…)

    She: ” err, where is that.”

    Me: I tell her where the bar is (ok, is that Beta? should i have said buy a map? heh)

    She: ” Ok”

    Me ” See ya then. Gotta go.”

    Look, we all have to start somewhere, but even if she flakes im happy, just if she does i just need to handle it next time i see her, which will be very soon afterwards i think – another bit of practice, so its fine.

    This is fun.

    cheers

    PS. (imo Sailor and Derb are both outstanding writers/thinkers btw).

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  220. on June 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm ASDF

    Thursday:

    Canada’s East Indians are anything but well-behaved. Most of the ones in BC are Sihks, which are apparently India’s warrior caste. Though we call them Hindus just to generalise, they are actually different, and not as clever, being more likely to be truck drivers than computer programmers. They are physically aggressive and ethnically chauvinistic.

    Here is a recent article about Vancouver. Whites are well on our way to minority status here.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+visible+minorities+majority+2031+Statistics+Canada/2662126/story.html

    And by 2031 Canada’s nonwhite population is set to double, from 15% to 30%.

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  221. on June 19, 2010 at 10:58 pm Northern beta

    Good post Gorb you know more about Canada than you know. You have a good eye. Don’t let the suburban smalltown types tell you different.

    Thursday you wrote
    “Canada has remained as good as it has because it is still 90% white, with its most significant minorities being well behaved high IQ groups like the Chinese and all those high caste Hindus fleeing discrimination in affirmative action crazy India. The rest of Canada’s non-white population is divided up among tiny groups who stand no chance of ever coming together to influence anything.”

    You’re wrong.

    [editor: nope, looks like thursday was right. according to wikipedia, canada’s non-white population is about 15%:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

    re: gorb’s larger point: as with all things immigration and multicult, numbers are of the essence. followed closely by quality of the immigrants.]

    Gorbs stats were right before. It’s about 30 percent non-white right now, maybe more. I live in Toronto and grew up in Van. I’ve been to every major city.

    Two things. Outside big cities, there’s no people. small towns don’t count because 80% of the population lives in cities. Also normal white people are totally outclassed by immigrants because we only take the smart ones, except family reunification. even the Africans we take in are pretty f***ing smart.

    lets face it most of Canada is empty. I also read by 2025 more than half will be non-white. also immigrants do better in school, and not just the asian ones, also the african ones. The jamaicans not so much. They started coming in as nannies and then families, so that wasnt intended. Also Flips. But the flips do pretty well in school.

    come to think of it i see a lot of flip-black couples.

    “Crime is really high among blacks in Toronto (see Jane and Finch), but there just aren’t as many of them as in most large U.S. cities.”

    guy it’s just the jamaicans. the rest of the blacks are doing great. get this the immigrants who do worst in school aren’t even black. they are portuguese. the portuguese are the worst lower class in the city. very embarassing but its true.

    In Van it’s the Vietnamese and the Muslims who don’t do well.

    so maybe we just picked the right immigrants from black countries I think.

    “As for Toronto, it is a city with many diversity related problems. Its white elite furiously maintains control of the city government (in a city where 50% of people are visible minorities, the city council was 95%+ white last time I checked), while appeasing the minorities that live there with nauseating PC bootlicking on non-economic issues. But for how long will they be able to keep control.”

    Hey Toronto council sucks ass. look at our politicians – half of the new crop are non-white and they’re all pretty smart.

    I travel in the states and you have really stupid immigrants there, and the black population is nothing like black people here. You know Jamaicans there are like princes, up here they’re the worst blacks.

    I think American blacks are the problem like others say.

    Actually almost all of the immigrants are smarter than the Canadian-born whites. You know that. Not just the asians.

    it’s like Eugenics: We only bring in the smart ones.

    “It also has an inclusive and non-polarized political system with genuine public debate and vibrant liberal democracy
    Except for the smothering political correctness.”

    Yeah thats true.

    “In many ways Canada mooches off the more freewheeling, free speech ways of the U.S. You can’t ignore more right wing, culturally conservative perspectives when you are right next door to a country where they are part of the mainstream political matrix.”

    Guy Canada’s very liberal and you know it. Harper’s government is a fluke, and hell never get a majority. We’re not the US and you know it.

    No matter what it looks like up there in North Bay or in Calgary.

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  223. on June 20, 2010 at 12:05 am Original JB

    http://tinyurl.com/2aetuzd

    As I’ve been saying for awhile, this is coming to a head in the next decade as science becomes undeniable.

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  224. on June 20, 2010 at 12:43 am polymath

    Gorb,

    Ping me on my blog, want to discuss a couple of ideas with you

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  225. on June 20, 2010 at 1:28 am ASDF

    “Actually almost all of the immigrants are smarter than the Canadian-born whites. You know that. Not just the asians.”

    That is BS. Family reunification and refugee admits completely negate any benefits from our “economically advanced immigrants” policy. And Asians aren’t that clever anyways. They just learn by rote.

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  226. on June 20, 2010 at 1:55 am Northern beta

    ASDF, you said

    ““Actually almost all of the immigrants are smarter than the Canadian-born whites. You know that. Not just the asians.”

    That is BS. Family reunification and refugee admits completely negate any benefits from our “economically advanced immigrants” policy. And Asians aren’t that clever anyways. They just learn by rote.”

    Okay the family class immigrants may be not quite what we want (like those Portuguese and Spanish people who end up dropping out of highschool and commit more crimes than Jamaicans eh). And the Eastern Europeans who all seem to be criminals and thugs, dammit they’re everywhere in this country, just a bunch of parasites.

    But my son goes to a highschool here in Toronto and the top students are all middle eastern, Asian, Indian and African. The best math student is from Gambia, and the other Africans do pretty damned well too

    I’m not talking about Somalis here.

    Seriously, go check out the schools in Van and TO.

    You sound like one of those yokels in the suburbs, or some stinky little town with your hate-on for Toronto.

    Toronto has the lowest crime in the country of any big city. Calgary has more per capita crime and its almost a white bread town.

    Canada is basically Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and maybe Calgary-Winnipeg-Edmonton-Regina/Saskatoon/Halifax/Quebec.

    Everything else is farm or forest and small-town uselessness.

    Really we have two countries, urban and not-urban and urban has almost all the people eh.

    So don’t give me BS.

    Half the reason my kids study so hard is because to get into university they have to compete with Jews, Chinese, Arabs and Indians, and my kid’s school a lot of really talented West Africans.

    My wife works for a company, the pres is a black South African, and this guy is a f***ing genius.

    So don’t give me horse shit.

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  227. on June 20, 2010 at 4:33 am Browncoat

    @ Gorbachev

    Damn.

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  228. on June 20, 2010 at 5:13 am Browncoat

    @ Gorbachev

    Read it all, my personal knowledge of Chinese is just Overseas Chinese in America and what I can read here in the states, don’t travel much. I’m not sure you got my point, such as it is, it seems to me that there is a planned merger going on between Big China and America, their tiny elite and our tiny elite merging interests. Such an Alliance would be a potent empire if it could be created, problematic as that would be.

    My only real disagreement with your post is Vietnam. There were two wars there, the South Vietnamese with the North Vietnamese and Americans with the Russians. The South Vietnamese lost their war, the Americans won their war with the Russians.
    Victory in proxy wars is determined by the guys with the clipboards and the eggheads back at the office but it basically comes down to kill ratio and a couple of other stats. We won that war and that’s why the land war in Europe never happened, the Russians would lose and there own figures proved it to them. No one except the Vietnamese really cared what happened to Vietnam after the Americans and the Russians were through with it.

    The rest of your post is pretty epic for a blog comment, Bravo.

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  229. on June 20, 2010 at 7:32 am Pupu

    hehe, chateau as a name can be as cool as this

    http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=House%20MD&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

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  230. on June 20, 2010 at 7:47 am Pupu

    ahappinessexperiment is gone, again.

    People cannot and should not take tack their poo. The Experiment always does it with his blog. That is very bad behavior.

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  231. on June 20, 2010 at 7:52 am sdaedalus

    @pupudarling
    hehe, chateau as a name can be as cool as this

    I hadn’t thought of this. If deliberate, then fiendishly clever.

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  232. on June 20, 2010 at 10:49 am Brando

    I just want to say I’m glad that there are a few lone voices out there saying the unspeakable in these dark times of hidden-in-plain-sight social decay.

    But I do find it depressing that, despite his exceptional intelligence and honesty, Roissy seems utterly devoid of empathy and even seems to be quite sadistic. This leaves me with the impressions a)I’m wired to be a beta, and b) the whole game is even darker than I thought.

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  233. on June 20, 2010 at 1:12 pm Pupu

    @sdaedalusdarling

    fiendishly clever sounds like it 🙂

    ______________________

    @ Gorbachev

    Thank you for your long and brilliant post.

    One area Pupu ventures to differ is your attributing the cause of China’s Sisyphean growth path to politics, and to politics only. Political innovations require enabling social, economic and technological conditions. Some hurdles in China may be too high to overcome. In other words, the solution to chronic bad politics may not be found in the realm of politics.

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  234. on June 20, 2010 at 1:28 pm Jabberwocky

    “China is leveraging its accumulated labour surplus in Fiat dollars to fund self-destructive growth because it won’t reform politically, and the US is borrowing it back to prop up consumption and the illusion of power, while the elite get richer and richer in each country. The US action spawns the same in other countries. It’s a death spiral for everybody. It’s Global Thermonuclear Musical Chairs with a hundred players and only a handful of chairs.”

    One of many brilliant paragraphs.

    “The exceptions (Vietnam) prove the rule.

    Battles may be lost – but since 1066, overall wars ultimately never have been.”

    To your point, Vietnam was just a battle in the cold war. If we spent Russia into collapse, Vietnam played a small part in that. Death by a thousand cuts. Plus, now Vietnam has American duck ponds all over the place and in return, american GI’s brought back some nice, submissive (on the surface), and well aging Vietnam wives to further the hybrid vigor of the English people, I mean American people. And I also like to think that Vietnam made a point:

    We will sacrifice much blood and treasure in a worthless jungle in the middle of no where, simply over political ideals; imagine what we are capable of when it matters.

    Hell, we overreacted to 9-11, got involved in a world war and nuked two cities over a bombed harbor in what is essentially a giant tourist attraction with some strategic military value (HI is as much a state to me as PR), and founded our independence because momma bear wouldn’t do away with the tea tax even after she stopped taxing just about everything else. Imagine how we would react if our country was really invaded. Ever see Red Dawn. Multiply that by a hundred million or so. But I like hyperbole, so who knows if I’m even close to the mark, but with that said, Americans seem to be hyperbolic by nature, don’t we….maybe thats the point.

    The west won’t collapse. We haven’t even gotten angry over our demographic asphyxiation yet. Until we get angry, we don’t try all that hard. If its time to make English babies, I mean American babies, then we will, and we will do it hyperbolically. We’ll make the Mormons look like dried up single feminist trying IVF one last time before her bank account is drained.

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  235. on June 20, 2010 at 2:05 pm Anonymous

    On the money = women issue, I can speak with actual experience, as I’m making mid six figures in a career with social prestige. There is a definite bump in terms of women. I’ve had chicks who I was talking to who showed zero interest in me, and their faces would literally light up the second I mentioned what I did for a living. If you’re a five, though, you’re not suddenly going to be dating tens you met in a bar. Lots of women won’t care, and lots more won’t talk to you long enough to find out you’re loaded.

    Admittedly, I don’t spend anywhere near what I make given that I’m still in my twenties and don’t have a lot saved relative to my income yet. I’ve come into contact with a lot of people who have similar incomes but are a little older (mid to late thirties). They’ve gotten to the point where their houses are all 5,000 square foot plus, they can sport the rolexes, etc.

    These guys basically come from two circles, both extremely nerdy. One group of nerds works all the time and doesn’t really party. They’re mostly married, and mostly with unimpressive wives despite making that much cash. Another group of nerds works all the time, but I’ve been to some of their parties. Their solution is just to use their money to truck in hot chicks. There are actually companies that will bring in actual Playboy, Maxim, Penthouse, etc. models to your parties for something like $500 per model per night, and cheaper for random hot chicks with nothing on their resume. The result is a bunch of nerds who are 4’s and 5’s married to 9’s and 10’s.

    The end lesson for you guys should be, it’s not just about making a lot of money. You also have to know how to spend it. No normal career that makes tons of money is going to have a lot of interaction with attractive women. A Denny’s waiter meets more hot women in a day than I do, and has more opportunities with them. You have to actually be willing to use your money to get the hot chicks around you and then to let them know you have it.

    On a side note, prostitution becomes a lot more viable and attractive option as well when you’re making that kind of cash and know where to look. Pretty much any porn star is available for a $1-2k an hour. A large portion of current and former models from any major nude magazine (including Playboy) are available if you’re willing to spend $10k or so. For $25k and up, there are a scattering of Miss USA’s, B-list actresses, reality stars, etc.

    My recommendation is, if you think you’ve got a shot at making more than $200k or so, work your ass off to get it. If you want a long term relationship, it’s going to add a couple points on the attractiveness scale to your partner. If you don’t give a shit, and you don’t have some kind of religious or moral issue, you WILL be having sex with porn stars and Playboy models, either by just paying them directly or by paying them to show up to a badass party you throw at your mansion and then gaming them. They’re not going to fall in love with you, but you’re not going to care either.

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  236. on June 20, 2010 at 2:22 pm ASDF

    Northern Beta:

    “You sound like one of those yokels in the suburbs, or some stinky little town with your hate-on for Toronto.”

    You are delusional. I did not mention Toronto in my response to you. If anyone is acting stereotypically, it is you. You sound like a typical white-hating urban liberal. Small towns full of inbred rednecks? Gambians smarter than whites? Spaniards and Poles causing more crime than Jamaicans and East Indians? It is to laugh!

    I’m sure I could hand pick 5 Africans who have IQs higher than the white average. So what? They will invite 20 family members here who have IQs of 85 or less. Whites do just fine on our own, as history has proven. Why we suddenly need an IQ boost from third worlders has never been adequately explained to me. At any rate, it is disingenuous to ignore the law of averages. It is immoral to steal the smartest third worlders from their countries who need them. And it is immoral to destroy the Canadian ethnic identity in order to shoehorn these foreigners in here.

    And for the record, I live in one of the nicest neighbourhoods in Vancouver. It is one of the few majority white neighbourhoods left here. I have seen my formerly white, clean, uncrowded, affordable, safe city double in size in the last 30 years due to massive third world immigration. How has it benefited the original inhabitants of the city exactly?

    -Increased population density.
    -Stress on the environment.
    -Unaffordable housing.
    -Increased crime.
    -Lower levels of civic engagement.

    But a bunch of pretentious self-hating whites get to act holier-than-thou towards conservatives, so I guess it was all worth it.

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  237. on June 20, 2010 at 3:06 pm WHY I LOATHE THIS SITE

    If you can be a PUA, maintain calm, withstand rejection, are charismatic, persuasive, clever, intuitive…. clearly you should be applying your prodigious talents to more productive endeavors rather than boosting your number with pliable, desperate and mentally disordered floosies.

    And so, America’s enterprising men devote their energies to soul corrupting sportfucking… the prize in a decadent age. Roissy tries to rationalize this, but there is none.

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  238. on June 20, 2010 at 4:13 pm johnny five

    And so, America’s enterprising men devote their energies to soul corrupting sportfucking… the prize in a decadent age. Roissy tries to rationalize this, but there is none.

    the rationalization is that it’s foolish to use traditional infantry tactics when both the terrain and situation demand guerrilla tactics.

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  239. on June 20, 2010 at 4:37 pm Northern beta

    ASDF you said:

    “You are delusional. I did not mention Toronto in my response to you.”

    it was the other guy sorry bro.

    ” If anyone is acting stereotypically, it is you. You sound like a typical white-hating urban liberal. Small towns full of inbred rednecks? Gambians smarter than whites? Spaniards and Poles causing more crime than Jamaicans and East Indians? It is to laugh!”

    Actually its true. The portuguese here have the highest school dropout rate, the Jamaicans next, and the portguese get in trouble with the law more than Jamaicans. i’m serious.

    “I’m sure I could hand pick 5 Africans who have IQs higher than the white average. So what? They will invite 20 family members here who have IQs of 85 or less.”

    maybe but what about these “white” eastern europeans. The russian mob is a huge problem and half the eastern euros seem to be thugs. All the organized crime now is Yugos and serbs and russians.

    these ex-communists are the worst immigrants ever. Just trash. everyone knows it i don’t know why you think just because someone is white that makes them great.

    Seriously guy. A well educated African is better than a clan of Hungarian ex-communist cons.

    ” Whites do just fine on our own, as history has proven. Why we suddenly need an IQ boost from third worlders has never been adequately explained to me.”

    We need smart people and we dont do fine on our own.

    [editor: the usa put a man on the moon when its population was 90% white. you were saying?]

    Get the fuck out there and make some white babies guy.

    [dat you obsidian?]

    This is the problem, no one is having babies. So we need immigrants, and the high quality immigrants come in all colours eh.

    “At any rate, it is disingenuous to ignore the law of averages. It is immoral to steal the smartest third worlders from their countries who need them. And it is immoral to destroy the Canadian ethnic identity in order to shoehorn these foreigners in here.”

    the Canadian ethnic identity was always mixed. there’s some illusions this was not true, but think about it. French and English, and then Catholic and protestant, and Chinese people building the railway. This place was always a work in progress, not an absolutely finished thing.

    So now we made it more interesting. it’s like an experiment. And so far, from where i sit, it looks pretty good.

    “And for the record, I live in one of the nicest neighbourhoods in Vancouver.”

    north Van, right? I grew up there.

    “It is one of the few majority white neighbourhoods left here. I have seen my formerly white, clean, uncrowded, affordable, safe city double in size in the last 30 years due to massive third world immigration. How has it benefited the original inhabitants of the city exactly?”

    Yeah Vancouver has bad crime, but it’s the drugs from central america. The hispanics there are all over crime.

    Van now has the wort crime after Winnipeg of any canadian city. The last time I was there Hastings was still a pile of shit.

    “-Increased population density.
    -Stress on the environment.
    -Unaffordable housing.”

    Okay, right. I forgot half of Canada hates cities. Look, around the world, all of the money and ideas come from cities. I dont get it why half of canadas population hates the idea of living in an actual city.

    Go check out london or paris or New York or Tokyo.

    That’s the future bub. Not some manicured suburb with the lowest possible density.

    Thats why immigrants are making this place better. We’re getting a global culture and a better outlook with real cities instead of potempkin villages eh.

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  241. on June 20, 2010 at 6:47 pm Gorbachev

    @Z
    Im from Canada

    Gorbachav, you’re commentss are funny and you don’t know what you’re talking about with allot of it. If I cared, I sit here and debate, but I just thought to chime in to say that you truely dont much about Canada.
    for one, we’re filled with crime but canada has an image to maintain so things do’t get reported as much and not sensationalized as much as in the USA

    I never claimed to know anything about Canada – I only know what I read. I do know that the stats don’t lie. Canada has a fraction of the crime rate the US does. It’s a small fraction. From what I read, Toronto is the most ethnically and racially diverse city in North America, and it also has the lowest crime rate of any city over 500,000 people.

    It’s been that way for 20 years. Fancy that. Must be doing something right.

    Also, I’ll put money on there being a hard division between small-town Canadians, Suburban Canadians and Urban Canadians. I’ll bet it’s like 3 tribes scattered across the country.

    I’d put money on it.

    Anyway, the larger point is: Canada as a multi-ethnic state is doing pretty well. Shows it’s possible.

    [editor: canada is 85% white. that’s a far cry, by modern standards at least, from a multiethnic state.]

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  242. on June 20, 2010 at 7:22 pm Gorbachev

    @game_in_bk
    Gorb, as others have said- you should start a blog. I’d like to take your post and paste it on my blog. It deserves its own posting, esp before its lost to the roissy archives. *With your permission of course.

    Sure. It’s not worth that much. I was just bored. I get emotional and sentimental far too easily.

    But I still think Canada makes a good experiment in “global eugenics”.

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  243. on June 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm Gorbachev

    @ASDF
    1) Speaking as a Canadian, the Canadian government is working double-time through to destroy Canada’s British heritage. Like you said about the US, you can’t force all these immigrants to assimilate, so we just water down our culture so that being Canadian means nothing more than liking beer and hockey. Oh yeah, and being tolerant. That is the defining characteristic of Canadians as defined by our government.

    As an American I can tell you: Becoming “Canadian” and not being “British” is not a negative thing. You’re debating this internally: Being “English” but not being “British”.

    Join North America. Stop pretending to be British. The thing I liked about Canada was that it was genuinely different from the UK and the US, but it’s definitely an Alternate North America, not an Alternate UK.

    I’d say you can be solidly North American and English and not be at all British, which sounds just fine. Just a piece of advice from an ol’ Yank.

    And you can also do it without being American.

    I’d say Canada was in a state of “Becoming”. Which is pretyt exciting for you. Stop lamenting it.

    2) British culture doesn’t work without the British people, or people who look British and can assimilate (e.g. other European immigrants to Canada).

    Looking British is irrelevant. Acting British is everything.

    You need people who will act, in the end, as English people.

    Race may = IQ, but I’ll tell you this: Race is not Culture.

    Make your immigrants culturally English, and almost all odf the problem will be solved. And it appears to be happening naturally.

    Canada remained British long after the last garrison moved out because it was dominated by British Canadians. Same with Australia. Contrast that to other British colonies like India.

    India was never British culturally. That was its problem, and when it gave up the Empire, it threw out the baby with the bath water.

    It is a dump, and English civilization never took there, primarily because of the quality of the people.

    That’s retarded. It never took there because the people had an 8000-year-old “high civilization” of their own, one crippled by their own history, but nothing to sneeze at. India’s problems are home-bred, but Pathetic and Sad (like most of Africa) India ain’t. That’s for sure.

    The Indians who move to Canada are just the worst sort. Not too bright, prone to crime, and definitely not tolerant and thankful towards their hosts. They certainly do not retain any of the civility and culture that the British might have instilled.

    Fuck off: The British don’t have that any more. Have you actually *been* to the UK? It’s been a toilet for 40 years. So much for “Britishness”. Canada is a much more impressive place than the UK. The UK is the English world’s decaying Athens.

    I’d say you were better off getting immigrants from Asia than the UK, for sure.

    From an American perspective on Canada, I’ll say this:

    Canadian cities are exciting and interesting; the country is profoundly prosperous relatively speaking; you’ve come up with your own solutions to lots of things (bureaucracy, medical care, etc.) that are possibly better than anything in the rest of the Anglo world, from some perspectives, and your ability to absorb the best of the world is impressive.

    Bank on these things. Stop lauding the old Tory Canada that my grandfather thought was boring and unimaginative.

    Really, get out of that British Tory slump.

    Mark Twain lamented the Toryism in Canada, said it could be a much better place when the people there stop pretending to be British and decide to be North American.

    I agree with him. Your elites seem to have a few things right.

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  244. on June 20, 2010 at 7:43 pm Gorbachev

    There are blacks in Toronto; it’s because we’ve let half of Jamaica immigrate. My opinion, it’s been far from a good thing. As far as blacks go, Jamaicans are the most brutal and least respecting of life (which non-Jamaican blacks here will tell you). Agree with you on Somalians.

    Funny how Jamaicans here are way better in every way than native-born black people. Says a lot.

    I always say: Black people in the US are culturally crippled. Black American culture is hopelessly poisoned. Actual Africans are probably better.

    Having been born and raised here, I’m not as cheery about the multiculturalism. As someone else pointed out, some groups assimilate better than others, and some groups absolutely refuse to assimilate. The values brought in by certain middle-eastern and south-Asian peoples conflict so greatly with those of european Canadians, and it frequently creates tension.

    Pakistanis are probably a huge problem, too. Other Muslims detest Pakistanis, as well. Pakistanis are truly treated as the trash of the Muslim world by Arabs. They try to out-Islam the Islamists to prove their Muslim creds.

    I’d guess these are people best left at the door. I’ve found India and Pakistan to be really frustrating to travel in:

    – The elites are barely tolerable, arrogant and essentially useless;
    – the lower classes are crippled by a sense of hopeless fatalism.

    But other than that, Canada is objectively-speaking one of, if not the best place in the world to live right now. As long as you avoid the dump that is Toronto.

    Actually, I liked Toronto best: a real city, very green, well-ordered, low crime, really, it seemed like we should contract out the running of NYC or Chicago to the people who created Toronto.

    Really well-run place. A lot cleaner and better-run than Vancouver, but without the mountains.

    Actually, this was remarkable, because Toronto is much bigger. I’d think it would have more problems.

    I liked the fact that it’s more European in design – you can walk everywhere and transit seemed good.

    Albeit, I was only there for 3 weeks, I had a better impression of Toronto as a place to live than Vancouver. But Vancouver was great, too. Both better than most American cities.

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  245. on June 20, 2010 at 7:48 pm Gorbachev

    @Steve Sailer
    Dear Gorbachev:
    Thanks for your long tour d’horizon.
    The political genius of the English-speaking peoples? Perhaps.
    I wouldn’t underestimate, however, the factor that real estate ladies always cite: location, location, location. Monopolizing big island/continents like Albion, North America, Australia, and New Zealand is a lot better than owning, say, Poland.
    How has the English-speaking political genius worked out in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe? New Zealand seems a more convenient location than the middle of Africa. How has it worked out in Nigeria? How is it going to work out in South Africa?

    I’d be with you there. But I’d just like to point out how the French seemed able to mildly fuck up everything they touched, and the Spanish had the same benefits as the English (Philippines, S. America, Central America), if not better – and fucked it up so badly it’s mind-boggling.

    But I agree with you.

    Still, South Africa is still (even under black management) better off with its English background than anywhere else in Africa. And Botswana, a place where English culture and customs and governance basically built it.

    Zimbabwe lost it, not by cutting out the White farmers, but by abandoning the principles developed by the British colonizers. Big boo boo.

    It was always a tough job, civilizing Africa.

    The only people up to the challenge were the English. Their institutions translated well, and their political instincts were always good. It just got interrupted.

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  246. on June 20, 2010 at 7:58 pm Gorbachev

    @Browncoat
    My only real disagreement with your post is Vietnam. There were two wars there, the South Vietnamese with the North Vietnamese and Americans with the Russians. The South Vietnamese lost their war, the Americans won their war with the Russians.

    I’ll go with you on this.

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  247. on June 20, 2010 at 8:10 pm Gorbachev

    @Jabberwocky

    The west won’t collapse. We haven’t even gotten angry over our demographic asphyxiation yet. Until we get angry, we don’t try all that hard. If its time to make English babies, I mean American babies, then we will, and we will do it hyperbolically. We’ll make the Mormons look like dried up single feminist trying IVF one last time before her bank account is drained.

    A smack-down would happen.

    Every enemy has misjudged the weakness of the West to its extreme peril. We were never weaker than in 1936. The “liberal democracies” were despised by contemptful enemies.

    The smackdown was absolute and merciless. China’s going to test it, too, like Germany did.

    And the smackdown there is going to be just as hard, if not harder. The apparently weak, good-willed English / Western countries are going to seem brutal, vicious and harsh: and they will be.

    40 years later, who knows. But the challenge is coming, and the smackdown will be just as harsh.

    The US, no matter how badly it fares, will not roll over. Neither will the West. If anything, they’ll gladly take the rest down with them.

    Like I said: it may look clawless, but this cat is crazy. We forget it every once in a while.

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  248. on June 20, 2010 at 8:17 pm Gorbachev

    @WHY I LOATHE THIS SITE
    If you can be a PUA, maintain calm, withstand rejection, are charismatic, persuasive, clever, intuitive…. clearly you should be applying your prodigious talents to more productive endeavors rather than boosting your number with pliable, desperate and mentally disordered floosies.

    And so, America’s enterprising men devote their energies to soul corrupting sportfucking… the prize in a decadent age. Roissy tries to rationalize this, but there is none.

    Whatever. There’s no really good solution. We’re supposed to pick a girl, get married and settle down in this climate?

    PCs and women made this bed. Let them sleep in it. We cna join them, … when we want to.

    Enterprising men do what we want. We’re no longer rewarded for building civilization – so fuck it.

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  249. on June 20, 2010 at 8:40 pm chic noir

    *chic noir hands gorbachev a drink*

    Here man, take a drink of that, wet that thing up, I’m sure your throat is dryer than the sahara.

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  250. on June 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm z

    The writing in this post was amongst the most poetic to have ever graced the Chateau.

    “serve the common erection”……I really did laugh out loud when I read that.

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  251. on June 20, 2010 at 9:00 pm ASDF

    “Northern Beta”:

    “the Canadian ethnic identity was always mixed. there’s some illusions this was not true, but think about it. French and English, and then Catholic and protestant, and Chinese people building the railway. This place was always a work in progress, not an absolutely finished thing.”

    The Canadian ethnic identity is basically English and French. The French keep to themselves in Quebec, so forget about them for a minute. In Eastern Canada Celts predominate. In Ontario and further west, it’s WASPS and a smattering of Northern and Central Europeans who arrived over the last 200 years. We can’t even assimilate the bloody Italians and Greeks who arrived after ww2, and you want us to assimilate Blacks?? As for the Chinese, they were never considered Canadian. That’s why they didn’t get the vote, and weren’t allowed in public pools and certain restaurants until the late 40’s. The only reason we let them in here is because we didn’t want to waste good donkeys and Irishmen handling nitroglycerine in dark railway tunnels.

    “Okay, right. I forgot half of Canada hates cities. Look, around the world, all of the money and ideas come from cities. I dont get it why half of canadas population hates the idea of living in an actual city.”

    In Vancouver, we are importing East Indians and the Chinese. They’re not that creative. All the great ideas that make Vancouver “vibrant” still primarily come from whites. And half of Canada doesn’t hate cities. Half of Canada hates the idea of being crammed into cities with a million foreigners. Big difference.

    Gorbachev:

    “Join North America. Stop pretending to be British. ”

    We don’t pretend to be British. We acknowledge our British heritage. Canadian culture is basically British but altered by the climate. Think of a cold weather Australia. Nothing wrong with that.

    “Looking British is irrelevant.”

    Looking like the dominant ethnicity is key to assimilating.

    “That’s retarded. It never took there because the people had an 8000-year-old “high civilization” of their own, one crippled by their own history, but nothing to sneeze at. ”

    India is a shithole, and the people from there who move to Vancouver from there create their own mini-shitholes all over the city. You are free to argue that India is a great place. I suggest you go there for a visit instead of telling me that my city needs to absorb 2 million of them.

    “Have you actually *been* to the UK? It’s been a toilet for 40 years.”

    40 years. Hmm, what could have happened 40 years ago to make England such a terrible place? Oh yeah! The leftist policies of the 1960’s! No industry, welfare to support single mothers, a permissive “anything goes” morality. We would be wise to do basically the exact opposite of what they have done over the last 40 years.

    “…Canada that my grandfather thought was boring and unimaginative.”

    Canada is boring compared to what? LA? New York? No shit, we only have 30 million people here. The midwest is “boring” too, and that’s in the US. Adding third worlders won’t make things exciting (What makes Paris exciting? Being Paris, or having millions of Africans living in the suburbs?). It just ruin what we have, which is a quiet, relatively well-run country.

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  252. on June 20, 2010 at 9:17 pm Gorbachev

    @chic noir
    *chic noir hands gorbachev a drink*
    Here man, take a drink of that, wet that thing up, I’m sure your throat is dryer than the sahara.

    I do appear to have stirred the pot. Go away for a few days, and several hundred comments await you. I have to count this blog as one of my hobbies, almost.

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  253. on June 20, 2010 at 9:22 pm whiskey

    The West has never ever been weaker. The US had no real Navy, Army, or Air Force in 1940, but the population was 89% White, 10% Black, and 1% everything else.

    THAT generation stormed ashore at Normandy (no Blacks btw), fought in the Pacific under basically WWI conditions, lacking only poison gas (again no Blacks fought there), taking horrific casualties the Axis thought unsustainable.

    Today America is 65% White, with the numbers set to decline to absolute minority within twenty years.

    Mexicans, and Blacks, will create what? A crumbling Zimbabwe meets Cuidad Juarez? Detroit meets East LA?

    America is finished. Its over. Done. And there is no place for White guys to “go back to” as Blacks and Hispanics tell us all the time. Europe? Heck my father’s Scotland and my mother’s Ireland are both over-run by Muslims and effectively Muslim. Since all the young kids being born are Muslim, not Scots, or Irish. Besides I don’t speak Gaelic, or the impenetrable accent, am not a citizen, was not born there. Germany? That’s Muslim too. All the boys born in Hamburg are called “Mohammed.”

    There are no more Whitopias. And by the standard of showing up for the future, White civilization is a massive failure. So too, Shakespeare, Bach, Beethoven, Einstein, Darwin, and Keats. Why? Because the civilization they spawned could not reproduce. It could not create men who reliably got women aroused when they were capable of having kids.

    Meanwhile, Cam’ron, Lil Wayne, Kanye West, and Jay Z will live forever. Because their culture reproduces. By making women aroused. It does not matter if a hundred years from now everyone lives in a mud shack looking at the ruins of the Empire State Building or Golden Gate bridge wondering how it was ever built. Shawn Kemp has about 13-15 kids, and Karl Malone at least seven known.

    Technology is a dead end, because it only produces nerdy guys who have figured out how to create clean drinking water, so kids don’t die of dysentery by age two. That doesn’t get women aroused (enough to have kids when fertile). Being a thug does.

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  254. on June 20, 2010 at 9:57 pm Gorbachev

    @ASDF
    “Gorbachev:
    “Join North America. Stop pretending to be British. ”
    We don’t pretend to be British. We acknowledge our British heritage. Canadian culture is basically British but altered by the climate. Think of a cold weather Australia. Nothing wrong with that.

    That’s fine, but I spent a lot of time in the UK. I saw *nothing* British about Canada. Nothing. It was North American in every possible way, just different. You have the Queen on your money, but that’s it.

    “Looking British is irrelevant.”
    Looking like the dominant ethnicity is key to assimilating.

    Not to your kids. See them mixing it up. Seriously, nowhere on Earth did I see more mixed couples, and I’ve been to 5 continents and lived on 3, and I’ve been to every major city in Europe, the US, and Asia many times. Toronto was a *total shock* to me.

    Your 20-30 year-olds are going to totally shock you. Believe me. Mixed babies are your future. And I think it’ll have a hugely positive result.

    Focus on the culture. Build a unique English culture. That’s why Canada is exciting and interesting. Not because some Tory elements are lingering and limping along.

    “That’s retarded. It never took there because the people had an 8000-year-old “high civilization” of their own, one crippled by their own history, but nothing to sneeze at. ”

    India is a shithole, and the people from there who move to Vancouver from there create their own mini-shitholes all over the city. You are free to argue that India is a great place. I suggest you go there for a visit instead of telling me that my city needs to absorb 2 million of them.

    I’ve been to India many times. Usually to the shittiest parts. India is a micro-world. Nothing you say about India is true, but it’s all true. It makes China look simple by comparison. India is impossible to sum up.

    Indian culture was one of the most brilliant on Earth before the Muslims got to it. There’s real civilizational genius there. Unfortunately, it’s also over-crowded, and like all ancient cultures, India’s cultures are actually burdened by their past. I never said India was a great place, but there’s no comparison between, say, West Africa and India. India can only be compared to a grossly over-crowded Europe.

    India has a cultural memory of having fought off Alexander the Great, for God’s sake. They produced Ramanujan and Buddhism and art that rivals anything in Europe and blows away anything in China.

    It’s been hard times for 600 years, but no-one can credibly claim that civilization is foreign to these people – who helped invent the concept – or that there aren’t a huge whack of freaking genius-level types there.

    PS: Watch India, long-term, develop consistently and progressively, as compared to China, which does it in leaps and lurches.

    I’d say cherry-picking the best and brightest non-Muslims from India is a pretty damned clever thing to do for an immigration program. A hell of a lot better than Eastern Europeans (just had to throw that in).

    “Have you actually *been* to the UK? It’s been a toilet for 40 years.”
    40 years. Hmm, what could have happened 40 years ago to make England such a terrible place? Oh yeah! The leftist policies of the 1960′s! No industry, welfare to support single mothers, a permissive “anything goes” morality. We would be wise to do basically the exact opposite of what they have done over the last 40 years.

    I think you guys did that right? Not the slightest sign of the British disease in Canada from what I could see, especially in the attitudes of the people.

    “…Canada that my grandfather thought was boring and unimaginative.”
    Canada is boring compared to what? LA? New York? No shit, we only have 30 million people here. The midwest is “boring” too, and that’s in the US. Adding third worlders won’t make things exciting (What makes Paris exciting? Being Paris, or having millions of Africans living in the suburbs?). It just ruin what we have, which is a quiet, relatively well-run country.

    I can’t believe I’m defending Canada against a Canadian.

    Toronto is a hugely interesting city: Alive, vibrant, exciting. Vancouver is a lot more interesting with all those immigrants that it would be without them: Imagine a dull, wetter Seattle. Tea and crumpets. Please.

    Embrace it, guy. You people have a real future, not like us, with social problems that are *just not fixable*.

    I didn’t tell you to open your doors, I said your current policy of cherry picking from anywhere is pragmatic and really smart.

    Actually, it makes the Liberal American policies look bad, and it also makes the racist policies look dumb.

    I predict you’ll rule North America if you keep it up and don’t lose focus.

    [editor: gorbachev, why are you posting under two different names, gorb and northern beta, to spew your pro-open borders agitprop? and why are you so rabidly anti-white? inquiring minds want to know!]

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  255. on June 20, 2010 at 10:19 pm PA

    Whiskey and Gorbachev are two sides of the same coin. One is a despair-monkey and the other is a fanatical hatemonger.

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  256. on June 20, 2010 at 10:22 pm Northern Beta

    ASDF said
    “Looking like the dominant ethnicity is key to assimilating.”

    Look if they speak english eventually and are democratic and do things the way we do then that makes them English.

    We steal their babies that’s the deal. And we always do.

    “India is a shithole”

    I don’t like Indians that much, their attitude sucks. But it’s not the race, it’s the attitude, just so long as no muslims, it’s ok. Except the muslims, the kids seem to be like the rest of us.

    “Have you actually *been* to the UK? It’s been a toilet for 40 years.”
    40 years. Hmm, what could have happened 40 years ago to make England such a terrible place?”

    I think the Asians make better immigrants than Europeans these days. Especially where we get Euros from (eastern).

    I don’t know what it’s like out there these days but the eastern europeans look white but they don’t act “white”.

    The yugoslavians here are all crooks. Eastern Euros are rude, obnoxious and demanding and they cheat you without shame. If you trust a Russian you’re stupid.

    Worst immigrants ever, worse than the Caribbeans. I have Trinidadians next door, and they’re the best people. Smart kids too. Very black. We all love them. On the other side, Romanians and Ukrainians and they’re absolutely awful people, they live on welfare and cheat the system and get in trouble with the cops. They always guard their own and never mix. The women are like dumb dolled up princesses and scream at their husbands and the husbands look like Soviet Army rejects.

    So don’t get on with me about white people. White doesn’t mean jack.

    Also Brits now are not the same as those who came over 100 years ago. They’re all lazy and live off the dole. All they want to do is get high and screw around. Give me a break, eh.

    People who think like you always move to Victoria or the Okanagan and dream lala dreams about some mythic history that never happened. When my grandfather grew up there were riots between Catholic Irish and Orangemen and the cops killed people for nothing. Remember how corrupt it was, the railways were huge scandals and like 10 families controlled everything. If you wanted a decent job, you had to go to the States. This country was a badly run shithole until the war. Its humiliating.
    You know we could have had a civil war in 1970 if people like you had power. I didn’t love Trudeau but look that guy kept the country in one piece.

    “It just ruin what we have, which is a quiet, relatively well-run country.”

    Its 2010 not 1910. We need to open up to the world, and bring it. Having a little White Bread picnic park doesn’t cut it any more. You want to hide out in some white people reservation or something?

    I say bring it on. Brain drain the rest of the world, suck it up and teach ’em English, or french hah. Sounds like a great idea.

    Who cares what race they are. We’ll fuck them all and make something new.

    That’s the deal, they get to come here, we get their babies.

    Anyway thats what we’re doing. Working so far mostly.

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  257. on June 20, 2010 at 10:33 pm Gorbachev

    @whiskey

    The West has never ever been weaker. The US had no real Navy, Army, or Air Force in 1940, but the population was 89% White, 10% Black, and 1% everything else.

    THAT generation stormed ashore at Normandy (no Blacks btw), fought in the Pacific under basically WWI conditions, lacking only poison gas (again no Blacks fought there), taking horrific casualties the Axis thought unsustainable.

    Betcha money Blacks would make fucking awesome soldiers if you tamed that bad-assed culture. If the HBDers are right, this is what they’ll be best at.

    Today America is 65% White, with the numbers set to decline to absolute minority within twenty years.

    So use people for what they’re best at.

    Racism just isn’t pragmatic. Most people can serve a society somehow. Just maximize their contribution.

    This was Germany’s problem: They made awesome material, but they were obsessed with perfection. In life, you need to be pragmatic. For every perfect German tank, the same resources built 3 American tanks that were pretty good. Deploy them right, and the Germans had no chance.

    Same principle.

    America is finished. Its over.

    Doom and gloom. We need to get better at absorbing them. These black people could be great at a lot of things; maybe not nuclear physics, but some of them might be.

    So what – their IQ curve is shifted lower. Use them as best they can contribute. Seriously, if harnessed properly, without racism blinding you, you can kick serious ass, and no-one will be resentful. Instead of demonizing each other, we have to learn about complementarity.

    Just get rid of the Affirmative Action BS.

    Besides I don’t speak Gaelic, or the impenetrable accent, am not a citizen, was not born there. Germany? That’s Muslim too. All the boys born in Hamburg are called “Mohammed.”

    My ancestors were Scots and Irish. My parents still thought Ireland was home, for some ridiculous reason. That was 100 years on. Your panic is unwarranted.

    There are no more Whitopias.

    People said the same thing about England: All these Eye-ties (Wops) and Frenchies and Gypsies and Jews moving here. Coolies, too. By 1900, they were all indistinguishable. The UK just sucked them all in and made them British.

    We can do the same thing. Why not try. Not much other choice. You can panic and spew bile or you can be pragmatic.

    Want to start a local Race Cleansing war? That’ll help us out, for sure. Instead – why not come up with a way to make this whole situation manageable?

    It could not create men who reliably got women aroused when they were capable of having kids.

    One generation of feminism can be undone. Fast. Watch.

    Shawn Kemp has about 13-15 kids, and Karl Malone at least seven known.

    So give them good schools, educate them to the best of their 85-IQ ability, and maybe staff an army with them. Sounds good to me, and probably to them, too.

    Technology is a dead end, because it only produces nerdy guys who have figured out how to create clean drinking water, so kids don’t die of dysentery by age two. That doesn’t get women aroused (enough to have kids when fertile). Being a thug does.

    Use the thugs. Also makes the nerds feel better.

    Whining about it helps not at all.

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  258. on June 20, 2010 at 10:37 pm Gorbachev

    @[editor: gorbachev, why are you posting under two different names, gorb and northern beta, to spew your pro-open borders agitprop? and why are you so rabidly anti-white? inquiring minds want to know!]

    Not me. I kept bothering a Canadian I know for info and he jumped in. That’s him. I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, BTW.

    I’ve got to be careful.

    I can’t get myself branded as a racist. My job requires me to be Perfectly PC every day. Everything I say here can get me fired in about .2 seconds flat. I’m firmly under the iron thumb of the PC establishment.

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  259. on June 20, 2010 at 10:40 pm Gorbachev

    Almost nothing said here could be said in public. On any side of any debate. Imagine if your boss got a hold of any of this: You’d be finished. I would. I’d never work again.

    It’s pathetic that we can’t even talk in public about this kind of thing. So much for public debate. We can only be honest on pixel screens.

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  260. on June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm Gorbachev

    [editor: gorbachev, why are you posting under two different names, gorb and northern beta, to spew your pro-open borders agitprop? and why are you so rabidly anti-white? inquiring minds want to know!]

    I don’t believe in open borders. I personally think the Mexican border needs a Berlin Wall with machine guns, if you want to know.

    On the other hand, I’ve seen what’s possible in multi-ethnic states, and when it’s done with some planning and intelligence, it’s brilliant. I know very bright blacks and I think they should be having as many babies as they can. I don’t think retarded hicks – white or black – should be doing the breeding.

    Believe it or not, under the skin, I’m a committed eugenics fan. I just think focusing on race is self-defeating and ignorant.

    I’ve seen enough garbage in Europe to keep me from believing anything about the superiority of the “White” race. For one, “White” is utterly meaningless. Northern Europe and Southern Europe are different stories. And then there’s Eastern Europe.

    The best way to get rid of stupid black people is to get rid of welfare, make it harder for them to breed out of control with no family support, and make sure the smart ones have babies. Look at the difference between Jamaicans in NYC and American blacks. It’s significant.

    But Black people aren’t the problem, the same way women aren’t cause of sexual dishonesty.

    Beta men are the problem: They pedestalize and refuse to own up to it, and then complain about how awful women are.

    If there’s some segment of the population doing badly, if we’re smart, we drag them up kicking and screaming. Singapore is trying this (with, … some, … limited success).

    I don’t think race is destiny. There’s lots of evidence for this. The US used to be good at taking weaknesses and making them strengths. We’re forgot this.

    I find it ironic that the country we forgot – Canada – might be doing this while we just slip into a toilet of our own making. We’re America. What’s wrong with us?

    [editor: IQ isn’t everything, gorb. there is also the happy feeling of camaraderie and understanding that comes from living among a majority of people genetically similar to oneself.]

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  261. on June 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm ASDF

    Northern Beta:

    “Its 2010 not 1910. We need to open up to the world, and bring it. Having a little White Bread picnic park doesn’t cut it any more. You want to hide out in some white people reservation or something?

    I say bring it on. Brain drain the rest of the world, suck it up and teach ‘em English, or french hah. Sounds like a great idea.”

    You write as if someone created a leftist bot for trolling forums. You dredge up every cliche in the book. I am almost convinced that you’re just playing the straight man in order to give me a chance to convert fence-sitters with a solid pro-white argument.

    “Romanians and Ukrainians and they’re absolutely awful people”

    The Romanians might not be Romanians, but rather gypsies. Not white. All the Eastern European immigrants whom I have met here have been fairly pleasant. At a minimum, they aren’t welfare bums.

    “I didn’t love Trudeau but look that guy kept the country in one piece. ”

    I think the French should be allowed to leave. They don’t like us, and if they left, we would be able to stop throwing money at them in an attempt to keep them here.

    Gorbachev:

    “Betcha money Blacks would make fucking awesome soldiers if you tamed that bad-assed culture. ”

    Blacks have had every opportunity to become soldiers after ww2, and from what I have heard, they prefer support roles and barely exist in the infantry, to say nothing of special forces.

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  262. on June 20, 2010 at 11:26 pm sdaedalus

    the happy feeling of camaraderie and understanding that comes from living among a majority of people genetically similar to oneself.

    As someone who has lived all my life among a virtual unanimity of people genetically similar to myself, I would have to say this is probably being overrated a little. At the very least, one disadvantage is that, when things go wrong, there is no one else to blame.

    [editor: it’s only overrated when you don’t have the alternative to compare it to.]

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  263. on June 20, 2010 at 11:43 pm ahappinessexperiment

    why do people feign passion for the dfu future? the universe ends in heat death. sorry for the spoiler.

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  264. on June 20, 2010 at 11:55 pm alpha-beta-gamma

    If a 40yr old virgin, donated fials of spoof when he was a prickly peared college stoodunt and spawns a village of sprogs, where does he fit into the social pecking order of alpha/beta/omega? Assuming breeding = social sucksess.

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  265. on June 21, 2010 at 12:05 am sdaedalus

    t’s only overrated when you don’t have the alternative to compare it to.

    The same applies in reverse.

    [editor: no it doesn’t. the reverse has been the de facto norm throughout human history until relatively recently.]

    All white nationalists should try spending a time in de facto white nationalist states, or at least considering their economic & social problems, before recommending this course of action.

    [who said anything about white nationalism? my ideology is sanity.]

    Until then, they are not in a position to make a comparison either.

    [history, geopolitics, and human nature all suggest the comparison is perfectly apt, no matter who makes it.]

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  266. on June 21, 2010 at 12:10 am ahappinessexperiment

    in the future all women will be impregnted by sperm banks. so uberalph

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  267. on June 21, 2010 at 12:26 am Gorbachev

    @Roissy (or editor, whoever it is)
    [editor: IQ isn’t everything, gorb. there is also the happy feeling of camaraderie and understanding that comes from living among a majority of people genetically similar to oneself.]

    There’s also the electric energy you get and the hybrid vigor you get and the cultural exchange you get and the constant change and recycling you get.

    [editor: that’s what video conferencing is for.]

    As a species, this is our strength: not just our diversity, but the ability to constantly redefine it and recreate it.

    [recreating is best done overseas.]

    Hybrid vigor, racial and cultural, can be a strength if applied properly.

    [the united states was at its strongest when it was 85-90% white european.]

    A bit of discomfort is not a bad thing.

    [numbers matter. 40 million and counting is more than a bit.]

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  268. on June 21, 2010 at 12:31 am ahappinessexperiment

    eidtor,
    by recently how many thousnd years u mean?.

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  269. on June 21, 2010 at 12:33 am ahappinessexperiment

    was the roman empire normal?

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  270. on June 21, 2010 at 12:37 am ahappinessexperiment

    border security is such a lame rally call. the only good defense is a good offense. either be an imperialist or a democrat or shut the fuck up. equivocating halfmeasures r for pussies.

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  271. on June 21, 2010 at 12:47 am sdaedalus

    The same applies in reverse.

    [editor: no it doesn’t. the reverse has been the de facto norm throughout human history until relatively recently.]

    I take your point, but it’s hard to make a direct comparison between two societies from different eras, there are too many variables (the provision of State social welfare in such a way as to provide a positive disincentive for the lazy to work is in my view the main one, this is independent of the genetic homogenity point, there is a considerable white underclass in both the UK and Ireland)

    At the very least, you can’t afford to ignore the fact that (and I accept I am biased by my location) current genetically homogenous countries, in Europe at least, are not noticeably more successful than the US.

    [editor: the usa built its economic might on human capital that was 85-90% white european for most of its young history. only relatively recently has the radical demographic shift begun in earnest, and not coincidentally the usa by many measures is in decline.]

    Any argument from the past would need to be combined with some present comparators too in order to convince.

    [who said anything about white nationalism? my ideology is sanity.]

    Okay then, change white nationalists to “proponents of genetic homogenity”,

    [who said anything about genetic homogeneity? cousin marriage ain’t my bag. a state works best when a clear majority of its citizens have similar genetic and cultural roots.]

    irrespective of the label, the point remains the same. Countering current evidence to the contrary solely by an appeal to the past does not inspire confidence.

    [you stated that homogeneous nations were overrated. i noted that was only the case if you ignore the alternative — multicult dystopia. whatever faults homogenous countries have — now or in the past — pales in comparison to the shitfest that is the modern multicult dystopia.]

    [history, geopolitics, and human nature all suggest the comparison is perfectly apt, no matter who makes it.]

    Again, evidence? The history point would be stronger if you were in a position to point to societies which had previously failed for lack of genetic homogenity.

    [rome. german barbarians. it’s not the lack of genetic homogeneity (whatever that means) that does societies in. it’s the diversity.]

    The geopolitics does not convince me as an Irishwoman, but if you have counter-evidence in the light of which Ireland would be a mere abberation, do tell…

    [are irish immigrants closer or further genetically than mexican immigrants to white americans?]

    Re human nature, I feel that there are people in every ethnic group who will take advantage, the difficulty now is that that liberty is accorded more readily to particular ethnic groups. Give people an inch and they will take a mile, it does not mean this necessarily has to be the case.

    [you underestimate the intractability of human nature.]

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  272. on June 21, 2010 at 12:48 am Gorbachev

    @AHE,
    was the roman empire normal?

    Profoundly polyglot and multiracial. Same for Babylon.

    They were more limited – their empires covered less area than cultures today. But the principle is the same.

    At one point, “roman” meant nothing but adherence to an idea. But that’s not why it fell apart. Left to their own limited devices, without the assiduous help of provincials and acculturated foreigners, the Empire couldn’t have worked. Phoenician shipbuilders and sail-makers for the Coliseum, Greek teachers, Thracian slaves, German soldiers. Celtic scholars, Egyptian traders, Hellenized Jews, Arab horsemen, Moors and Britons.

    It can be done – and better than the Romans.

    border security is such a lame rally call. the only good defense is a good offense. either be an imperialist or a democrat or shut the fuck up. equivocating halfmeasures r for pussies.

    Build an empire and the riffraff will come home to haunt you. The last thing a race nationalist should do is build an empire.

    You need to live in a nice tidy hole and keep everyone else out. And interact as little as possible, because people breeds on the edges. The greatest single determiner of breeding patterns is proximity.

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  273. on June 21, 2010 at 12:54 am ahappinessexperiment

    roissy takes the shor view not the long. crosspolinization of cultures is what made ancient greece and rome strong. and by extension, what made europe strong. what has made subsahahan africa so weak has been its isolation.

    but keep arguing for isolation

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  274. on June 21, 2010 at 1:34 am ahappinessexperiment

    gorb, im no race nationalist. i think open borders are best. as ive said, if i ever have to mow my own lawn or clean my toilet i am going to kick steve sailer’s ass. i dont know why most of the Game crowd is a bunch of backward rednecks but they are.

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  275. on June 21, 2010 at 1:40 am Gorbachev

    @ahappinessexperiment
    roissy takes the shor view not the long. crosspolinization of cultures is what made ancient greece and rome strong. and by extension, what made europe strong. what has made subsahahan africa so weak has been its isolation.
    but keep arguing for isolation

    Uh oh.

    Now I know Roissy or the editors might have me. I’m starting to agree with AHE.

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  276. on June 21, 2010 at 1:47 am Gorbachev

    @AHE
    gorb, im no race nationalist. i think open borders are best. as ive said, if i ever have to mow my own lawn or clean my toilet i am going to kick steve sailer’s ass. i dont know why most of the Game crowd is a bunch of backward rednecks but they are.

    I don’t think we should have open borders; any country with open borders dilutes itself and quickly isn’t a country.

    But there’s a difference between that and cherry-picking the cream of the crop from as many different places as possible. Then you get hybrid vigor, in every way.

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  277. on June 21, 2010 at 1:49 am ahappinessexperiment

    feel like im reading mencius moldbug herem
    the best of the US is right now u morons. ud rather live at a standard of living fifty years ago? really? u r lying fuckhats

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  278. on June 21, 2010 at 1:58 am sdaedalus

    [editor: the usa built its economic might on human capital that was 85-90% white european for most of its young history. only relatively recently has the radical demographic shift begun in earnest, and not coincidentally the usa by many measures is in decline.]

    I agree that the usa is in decline by many measures (though Europe is not exactly doing great either). I’m just not convinced that this is solely or indeed mostly due to the demographic shift in itself, I think what has contributed is some of the things accompanying that shift & propounded by a lot of the people who approve of it, such as affirmative action, social welfare etc.

    [who said anything about genetic homogeneity? cousin marriage ain’t my bag. a state works best when a clear majority of its citizens have similar genetic and cultural roots.]

    I agree with you that multiculturalism can be problematic (the UK experience is proof positive of this). But if we take your earlier example of the glory years of the US, the white population who you yourself describe as instrumental in this regard had very different cultural roots. A Russian peasant had absolutely nothing in common with an Irish one for instance. The difference was, they were prepared to assimilate. The problem is not the fact that the genetic and cultural roots differ, it is the fact that encouraging assimilation is seen as heresy.

    Btw I fully accept that there is variation between races in terms of intelligence & even personality (I think that too much emphasis is given to nurture over nature in terms of explaining personality traits) but this variation is not as extreme as people make out from point of view of normal social functioning. For example it is possible to make a useful contribution to society without being of high IQ, it is even possible to hold down a professional job if of average iQ (I have seen this in practice) & possessed of other compensating skills. Personality traits can also be modified or adapted. The difficulty is that with a culture that opposes assimilation, things tend to go in the opposite direction. Again, the problem is not the demographic change per se, it is the context against which that change takes place.

    If demographic change merely had neutral or negative features, I would not be particularly concerned about what you are arguing. But I feel very strongly that society must adapt & change and that demographic mixing is relevant in this regard in terms of exchange of ideas etc. This has always taken place within racial groups, I don’t feel that mixing between racial groups is necessarily that different. Again, I accept that there are greater variations between races than racial sub-groups, but as stated above I don’t feel that the variations generally (although they do certainly exist) are as much a problem to the functioning of society as people make out.

    you stated that homogeneous nations were overrated. i noted that was only the case if you ignore the alternative — multicult dystopia. whatever faults homogenous countries have — now or in the past — pales in comparison to the shitfest that is the modern multicult dystopia.]

    I am no fan of multicult dystopia, believe me. Again, I refer to the UK, where matters are disastrous. But again, multiculturalism is not a necessary corollary of cultural & genetic mixing and indeed has never been in the US traditionally. The solution is assimilation.

    [rome. german barbarians. it’s not the lack of genetic homogeneity (whatever that means) that does societies in. it’s the diversity.]

    But it was the diversity which made Rome great in the first place (the same with the US, the racial mixing in Rome was not that much greater than in the glory days of the US, mostly Mediterranean/Northern Europeans, some very limited African input) You can’t throw out the baby with the bathwater here. The issue is not the diversity, it is the other matters I mentioned.

    [are irish immigrants closer or further genetically than mexican immigrants to white americans?]

    Closer (although it took people quite a while to admit this, they thought we were beasts in the 19th century). But I was actually talking about the current Irish situation rather than the role Irish immigrants have played in the US, I was just going back to my original point here, probably somewhat unnecessarily, sorry.

    [you underestimate the intractability of human nature.]

    I don’t think saying that people should be made to work for a living (which is basically what I was saying) actually does this, quite the contrary imo.

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  279. on June 21, 2010 at 2:11 am ASDF

    sdaedalus:

    “All white nationalists should try spending a time in de facto white nationalist states, or at least considering their economic & social problems, before recommending this course of action.”

    The only de facto white nationalist (or rather, ethnic nationalist where the nationality is white) states that I can think of are the Baltic States and a few in Central Europe. Any problems in those states can be attributed to the fallout from communism.

    Many other European countries are populated by one majority European population and then a bunch of minorities. Can you seriously argue that the Somali minority in Sweden make it better than if it were all Swedes? Or that Germany or France are the better for their large muslim populations?

    North America is such a huge place. I’ve kind of given up the notion of being able to take it all back (at least for now), but why do so many people have such a problem with giving white nationalists a tiny piece of it somewhere in the middle in which to live in peace?

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  280. on June 21, 2010 at 3:12 am Browncoat

    Off topic perhaps. I was at a festival event this weekend, is it just me or are MILFs way hotter than cougars?

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  281. on June 21, 2010 at 5:37 am Gorbachev

    No sleep for the wicked. Of all my blogs, this one sucks up my break times.

    At some point this sort of debate must give way once more to game. But here’s one last stab.

    I decided to look up literature about multiculturalism and its effects, with a focus on Anglo and French societies. I found out two things:
    1) There’s a lot written about this, and
    2) It’s all written by lefties or hard-core rightists. No one approaches this subject neutrally, or from a culturally libertarian perspective. And no-one except the doctrinaire left seems to separate race from culture.

    Criticism is usually incoherent and blatantly racist or mired in marxist post-modernist hoopla. Much of the French posmodernist cultural critique is incomprehensible, and I don’t think it’s my French.
    Honest appraisal seems to be impossible. Disappointing.

    Unfortunately, some of the more representative pieces are in French, but I include them here for commenters who speak it. At first I thought the French material might be less contaminated by wholesale Leftist Dogma given the situation in France. This is sadly not the case. In fact, it’s worse. I forgot that post-modernism and marxist scholarship began or reached its “zenith” in France.

    For example,
    //www.breizh.net/identity/galleg/multiculturalisme.htm

    “La résurgence des nationalismes mérite, cependant, qu’on l’examine ; d’autant plus que l’idée de multination a été conçue par Renner dans la perspective d’éradiquer définitivement le nationalisme, en faisant de la nation le moteur d’une nouvelle universalité.”

    (translations are quickies)

    “Multinationalism was conceived by Renner (marxist) as a method to finally eliminate nationalism, and recreate the “nation” as a tool to bring about a new univeralism”

    — and this seems to be the least leftist approach I can find in any of the easily accessible French literature. This is not my position, as I happen to like the idea of nations. So let’s just say there’s nothing in the literature to support my non-leftist interpretation of multicultural/racialism. Damned socialists. They appear to have every university in the Western world under their iron thumbs.

    “Ces politiques devraient être pensées avec finesse et imagination pour éviter, notamment, de figer des phénomènes culturels. Enfin et surtout, elles devraient s’appuyer sur un principe démocratique, afin de constituer un progrès pour l’humanité. Il nous semble que le principe de liberté culturelle, tel qu’il est défini par Amartya Sen, peut fonder un tel progrès.”
    – We have to think carefully about these policies to avoid the “congealing” of cultural traits/features. Above all, it has to be a democratic process, a process that creates progress for humanity. Cultural liberty, as defined by Amartya Sen, can be a great progressive step”, more or less.

    Nice sentiments, but these leftist ideas seem perfectly designed to ultimately create social chaos. Ultimately it just leads to collective rights, which are no rights at all.

    Academe doesn’t seem to allow for a different approach.

    Perhaps thinkers just can’t approach this subject without blinkers of one sort or another.

    I’m trying to think about it in purely pragmatic terms: What to do with alphabet soup in a broth of gumbo.

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/dahrendorf41/French

    “Les différences ne vont pas et ne doivent pas disparaître. Mais parvenir à faire que tous les citoyens puissent compter les uns sur les autres exige de nous de trouver le moyen d’étendre et de renforcer le sens de la solidarité que nous voyons à l’œuvre dans la sphère publique.”

    – “Differences won’t and don’t need to vanish. But to arrive at a situation where citizens can rely on each other, we need to empower the sense of (communal) solidarity that we see working in the public sphere.”

    IE, ultimately expect more government intervention.

    And completely miss the point on Islamism:

    “Les confits ethniques et religieux qui éclatent aujourd’hui, souvent sous la forme du terrorisme, ne sont pas les éruptions d’un volcan que l’on croyait éteint. C’est bien au contraire un phénomène spécifiquement moderne. ”

    “Today’s conflicts, often in the form of terrorism, aren’t the eruptions of a volcano we thought was dead. On the contrary, they’re specifically modern phenomena.”

    Um, last I checked, the Koran’s been telling good Muslims to kill infidels for about 1400 years. That’s not specifically modern.

    This guy (in English now) from the same organization basically just says chart a middle course:

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/wolfe1/English
    This, for example, is BS:

    “From this perspective, it is unfair that someone who happens to be born in the US is likely to live longer and better than someone born in Kenya. This does not mean that the US must open its borders to everyone from Kenya. But it does mean that a New Yorker should recognize that any advantages he may have over a Nairobian are due to an accident of birth rather than merit. From the perspective of Kantian cosmopolitanism, the least an American can do is to welcome a certain amount of immigration from Africa.”

    Okay, so this is guilt-ridden crap. There’s no obligation to let people in. The only reason I’d say immigration is necessary is to shore up home advantages and take advantage of human excellence. Letting in smart people – from anywhere – who can positively contribute and work hard and have babies is one thing. Letting in people because there’s some obligation because immigration is inherently good and required – is retarded.

    Anyone arguing Immigration is necessary for anything other than raw self-interest is delusional. No wonder our immigration policies are deranged and people like Roissy are upset.

    This is dumb:

    “But a liberal society will allow people in and make exceptions for conditions under which they must be kept out, rather than keeping people out and making exceptions for when they should be allowed in.”

    – This is cultural suicide. The point is to let other cultures enrich your own, not to throw it all open and let it drain away.

    But this makes more sense as a notional approach:

    “A liberal society will also view the world as teeming with potential that, however threatening to ways of life that are taken for granted, forces people to adapt to new challenges rather than trying to protect themselves against the foreign and unknown. Finally, a liberal society will not focus on what we can offer immigrants, but on what they can offer us. The goal of openness implied by immigration is worth preserving, especially if both its demands and its promise apply across the board.”

    IE, take the clay of the world and mold it as we see fit. This approach seems more or less acceptable to me.

    I guess it’s the actual numbers and quality of immigrants that make a difference. I see no reason to place race on a pedestal; it might be nice to see everyone looking like you, but I’d much rather have productive, bright co-citizens of different races (speaking English, of course) rather than dumb ones of the same race.

    There’s just no good non-leftist literature out there.

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  282. on June 21, 2010 at 8:17 am Polymath

    Browncoat,

    Yes indeed they are, for lots of different reasons.

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  283. on June 21, 2010 at 9:17 am Usually Lurking

    At the very least, one disadvantage is that, when things go wrong, there is no one else to blame.

    That’s not a bug, but a feature. When you can’t possibly blame your failures on some boogeyman, you are forced to solve them with real solutions.

    To put it another way:
    if you live in some ethnically homogeneous place and the idiots start acting idiotic, and the smarter ones smack them down, the idiots do not start crying racism or anti-semitism, or anti-whatever…they can’t…they are all the same.

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  284. on June 21, 2010 at 9:51 am sdaedalus

    Can you seriously argue that the Somali minority in Sweden make it better than if it were all Swedes? Or that Germany or France are the better for their large muslim populations?

    You’d be surprised. It takes a while for the benefits to filter in. For example, the Huguenots in Ireland were very much disliked when they first arrived, but ultimately (after a few generations) contributed immeasurably to the development of the country.

    The growth of Brandenburg in Germany was directly attributable to the importation of immigrant groups from other areas of Germany & Europe (Frederick the Great was particularly keen on this, but this started well before him).

    Similarly, with the Jewish population in Germany & France. They definitely contributed to culture for instance (I’ll leave the business issue out of it because it could be argued that what they contributed to here was their own businesses, I don’t know enough to say one way or the other) but again this took a few generations.

    The same with emigrants to the States, the great-grandchildren were very very different from the grandparents. I think you have to give it time, the Muslim and Somali groups you mention are quite recent arrivals, even in the UK most of the arrivals were post WW2, this is barely 2 generations.

    My point is, ask me that again in fifty years’ time in the old folks’ home, if my mind is still functioning I’ll give you my opinion. It’s just too early to say.

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  285. on June 21, 2010 at 9:53 am sdaedalus

    if you live in some ethnically homogeneous place and the idiots start acting idiotic, and the smarter ones smack them down, the idiots do not start crying racism or anti-semitism, or anti-whatever…they can’t…they are all the same.

    Is true. In Ireland we have to admit we are all idiots, we have no one to blame but ourselves (we got a lot of mileage out of blaming the English for years, but this ran out c. 1922)

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  286. on June 21, 2010 at 9:55 am sdaedalus

    PS: we had all this with the Protestants & Catholics in the North being different ethnicities – bullshit. Once mt-dna & y-dna testing was introduced it became evident that the genetic differences were very slight. Anyone with eyes in their head could have spotted this anyway, with the exception of a small strain of very blonde Presbyterians (the product of the Viking influx into Scotland) there’s no inherent physical difference between Rangers and Celtic supporters.

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  287. on June 21, 2010 at 10:47 am xsplat

    Another tip for role play fun to give the woman dominance without her having to ask for it with “punish me” behavior.

    When your girl is just quietly cooking away, or otherwise minding her business, say with a short and commanding tone “Stop talking, Woman!”.

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  288. on June 21, 2010 at 11:10 am Jabberwocky

    “why do people feign passion for the dfu future? the universe ends in heat death. sorry for the spoiler.”

    http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com/2010/06/email-jabberwocky-wrote-to-scientist.html

    God doesn’t die in heat death. That would be sooo Beta.

    “[editor: the usa built its economic might on human capital that was 85-90% white european for most of its young history. only relatively recently has the radical demographic shift begun in earnest, and not coincidentally the usa by many measures is in decline.]”

    Don’t be so simplistic in viewing history. You don’t think having a virgin and prestene resource rich land stolen from the natives helped us out economically a little more than the slight IQ advantage we had. The IQ advantage sealed the deal for sure, but so did our ruthless explotation of the land, its people, and various immigrant labor forces used to build the economy;

    Railroads: chinese
    Cotton and rock n’ roll: blacks
    Mafia: Italians and irish (criminal agitation has positive affects often times. repeal of prohibition anyone. Much of the governmental arms used in fighting organized crime now help fend off terrrorism. Look, its a weak argument, but I made it anyways)
    Jews: acadamia, entertainment, and banking (anything that doesn’t require coordination or strength basically, although I’m still a fan of Goldberg when he wrestled)

    Oh, fuck it. Others can say it better than me.

    “Immigration from 1870 to 1920 brought to the United States a vast quantity of both ordinary and extraordinary people: individuals who, through their search for greater opportunity and prosperity, dramatically altered and improved American life and culture.”

    The rest found here

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/268923/immigration_from_1870_to_1920_immigrant.html?cat=37

    Heres the first list I googled. I’m sure there is plenty more:

    Frank McCourt, Author (Ireland)
    Edwidge Danticat, Author (Haiti)
    Jaime Escalante, Educator (Bolivia)
    I.M. Pei, Architect (China)
    Edward Teller, Scientist (Hungary)
    Isabel Allende, Author (Chile)
    Isaac Stern, Concert Violinist (Russia)
    Zubin Mehta, Conductor (India)
    Enrico Fermi, Scientist (Italy)
    Itzhak Perlman, Violinist (Israel)
    Max Frankel, Editor, The New York Times (Germany)
    Kahlil Gibron, Poet/Philosopher (Lebanon)
    Farouk El-Baz, Geologist (Egypt)

    For me, it boils dow to evolution, and for evolution to run most effeciently, it needs diversity. I don’t like propping up the weaker races through welfare and affirmitive action, but I don’t mind giving them a chance to find their niche in our society.

    With that said:

    With all things, moderation, even moderation itself.

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  289. on June 21, 2010 at 2:02 pm Patr333x

    The problem with discussing different ethnic groups is that people make the assumption that all members of a given group are comparable, when that is not so.

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  290. on June 21, 2010 at 2:43 pm Gorbachev

    @Sdaedalus,

    One group I’m not convinced about is the Somalis. They seem to be entirely un-integratable, even in other Muslim countries. They’re very clannish, perhaps the definition of clannish, and capable of crazy levels of self-damaging violence. There’s no concept of shared identity or citizenship, beyond a purely negative one, and their religion is among the worst of a bad lot (the brand of Islam is as self-justifying horrible as it gets).

    My prediction is that Somalis will create a permanent underclass wherever they go. Somalia is like a permanent underclass of country in its own region (East Africa).

    I’d guess there was no way to fix the culture. I’m not sure how much of this is genetic or due to the wretched culture sported by these people.

    But Somali immigration seems to have no positive effect on any society in the world, Muslim or not.

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  291. on June 21, 2010 at 3:24 pm sdaedalus

    @Gorbachev

    I wouldn’t know enough about the Somalis to say.

    I worry about the Muslim attitude to women too (that said, it may be entirely possible that the balance of happiness among Muslim women is greater than among Western women, yes, I am having a bad day).

    But I think that for society to grow & develop you need a mix of cultures – ideas from the Middle East & the Far East were instrumental in contributing to the Renaissance, for instance.

    Also, I’m a bit worried about wars between different States consisting of people of completely distinct & separate ethnic backgrounds, particularly with the atom bomb around, I’ve always seen homogenity as a way of minimising the risk in this regard, though I’m not sure if it actually pans out that way in practice. Put another way, I would prefer Muslim terrorism to an all-out war between White Nationalists & Muslims which could only end by going nuclear. I haven’t really thought out this and as I say I am not feeling great so it may be rubbish. But I think my first argument is reasonably valid.

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  292. on June 21, 2010 at 4:17 pm Gorbachev

    @sdaedalus

    @Gorbachev
    I wouldn’t know enough about the Somalis to say.

    They’re not a very progressive, forward-thinking or open bunch. Nor are they industrious, hard-working or bright, as a rule.

    The men sit around and chew qat; they tend to be economically completely useless, abusive towards their women, and contemptful of everyone else. The women are harried, abused, and tough as nails. Both sexes have a huge sense of entitlement and have no problems with things like fraud, theft and cheating generally.

    Their culture was, until a generation ago, based on nothing but animal herding, vicious adherence to their religion, brutal treatment of outsiders (even, if not especially, Somalis of other clans) and raiding/pillaging. Theft is an accepted practice, and Alpha-Male harem/compound building is the norm.

    They’re treated as dirt and scum by Arabs, worse than dogs, untrustworthy, unreliable, not even useful as slaves. The Arab states didn’t lift a finger to help Somalia when it had its troubles, and thought the West was gullible for getting involved. Any help they give is just to prop up their own ideology; they couldn’t care less if Somalia continued to exist or not.

    Other East Africans have extreme reservations about them. The Ethiopians consider them extremely dangerous. They’re seen as belligerent, unstable and dishonest.

    The official motto for Somalis seems to be: if someone isn’t from your clan, you can cheat, steal or use them in any way you want.

    Most have no experience living in “state societies”. Rules of governance, complex bureaucracies and social structures are alien to the culture. This is a culture that was quite literally living in huts not long ago.

    The first wave of refugees to arrive in the West (France/Sweden/Canada) had trouble dealing with things like: Toilets; Communal living in large groups; Ethnic/Cultural pluralism.

    This is a culture that is singularly ill-equipped to deal with the modern world, any other ethnic groups, members of their own ethnic groups or technology.

    They seem to have the ability to suck the worst elements of Islam out and adhere to them, while ignoring anything good Islam may have to say.

    As immigrants, they’re good only if they basically stop being Somalis. They tend to shrink into bitterness when others don’t accept them (*NO ONE* anywhere, especially in the Islamic world, accepts them, they make no effort to modify their own culture’s more obnoxious elements, and then almost always slip into a permanent underclass.

    But I think that for society to grow & develop you need a mix of cultures – ideas from the Middle East & the Far East were instrumental in contributing to the Renaissance, for instance.

    I’m all for a level of diversity. I think places like Canada and Singapore are the wave of the future; picking the best and brightest out of the world is a brilliant idea.

    It’s a cultural experiment, but one that has good historical evidence for being successful.

    Also, I’m a bit worried about wars between different States consisting of people of completely distinct & separate ethnic backgrounds, particularly with the atom bomb around, I’ve always seen homogenity as a way of minimising the risk in this regard, though I’m not sure if it actually pans out that way in practice. Put another way, I would prefer Muslim terrorism to an all-out war between White Nationalists & Muslims which could only end by going nuclear. I haven’t really thought out this and as I say I am not feeling great so it may be rubbish. But I think my first argument is reasonably valid.

    I’d have to go with you on this one. But Roissy (editors) et all seem to have their own feelings on this: It’s happier to be among people who look, sound, and act like you.

    I’ve rarely had this situation. I thrive on difference. Whatever; not everyone wants the same thing out of life. I just think a successfully adapted, open and multicultural/racial society is much more likely to be successful long-term.

    But I do have to agree with one point – the actual type/quality of diversity does make a difference.

    One thing that strikes me is that many posters and people like the Editors here seem to be unable to parse out other factors – culture, history, contingent events, social factors, etc. from biology (race).

    But in immigration, we should be picking for culture, for sure.

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  293. on June 21, 2010 at 5:41 pm Polymath

    Gorb,

    One idea I have long held, which has recently been discussed by Advocatus Diaboli on his blog, is that if you would like to fuck someone then you ought to be able to get along with their ethnic group. This sheds an interesting light on globalization and immigration policy.

    Furthermore, well-documented sexual asymmetries in inter-group attractiveness explain some corresponding differences in attitudes toward immigration.

    If I were in charge, I would define a formula for evaluating potential immigrants which would depend on traits like law-abidingness, employability, English language competency, etc. There would be a big penalty for males because men are more likely to be criminals. If promoted carefully, legislation to this effect might slip past the feminists who don’t mind provisions that hurt men, and we would get lots of female immigrants and few male immigrants from certain problematic countries, with the result that the women would be much more likely to assimilate because there would not be enough men from their own culture to keep them down. This would do great things for the sexual marketplace in the USA, from a man’s point of view.

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  294. on June 21, 2010 at 11:37 pm Jabberwocky

    “If I were in charge, I would define a formula for evaluating potential immigrants which would depend on traits like law-abidingness, employability, English language competency, etc. There would be a big penalty for males because men are more likely to be criminals. If promoted carefully, legislation to this effect might slip past the feminists who don’t mind provisions that hurt men, and we would get lots of female immigrants and few male immigrants from certain problematic countries, with the result that the women would be much more likely to assimilate because there would not be enough men from their own culture to keep them down. This would do great things for the sexual marketplace in the USA, from a man’s point of view.”

    I like your outside the box thinking.

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  295. on June 22, 2010 at 1:48 am Gorbachev

    @Polymath,
    If I were in charge, I would define a formula for evaluating potential immigrants which would depend on traits like law-abidingness, employability, English language competency, etc. There would be a big penalty for males because men are more likely to be criminals. If promoted carefully, legislation to this effect might slip past the feminists who don’t mind provisions that hurt men, and we would get lots of female immigrants and few male immigrants from certain problematic countries, with the result that the women would be much more likely to assimilate because there would not be enough men from their own culture to keep them down. This would do great things for the sexual marketplace in the USA, from a man’s point of view.

    This is extremely clever, and the benefits for American men are obvious, but the devil is in the details.

    First, I think a point system like the one Canada uses would be excellent: you can select out the individuals who, regardless of ethnic or racial background, can’t cut it.

    Two, you’d have to have a way of deterring people from just showing up by making the system seem fair. It’s similar to the law: it must not just be fair, it must be seen to be. This means people will be trying to prove themselves (and improve themselves), and will accept the results either way.

    Three, how the hell are you going to get this through Congress? That’s a herculean task. You’d need a clear selling strategy: We can see the utility for the male sexual market, but what’s its national utility? How do we sell it to feminists and “stakeholders”?

    And this would be a great way to deal with Muslim immigration short of shutting off the tap. Without the men, the women would be much easier to draw away from their oppressive religion.

    One effect of this would be to concomitantly introduce a powerful selector: no longer would mere breathing be enough to get in, but skills, talent, education and experience would be factors.

    I’d guess it would be quite a brain drain for the rest of the world.

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  296. on June 22, 2010 at 3:55 am biktopia

    The school i go in, is an interesting mix, my class of around 100 pupils could be roughly didvided into, 30% Israel, 30 % Scandinavian, 15-20 % Persian, and the rest is from all over, Ireland, Palestine, Pakistan, US, Nigéria, Kenya. These are pupils with good and educated parents, some of them very rich.
    Considering the tension between some countries, they tend to be able to have open discussions, it happens rarely that the confrontation is becoming acute, for instance the ships that got attacked on their way to Isael, stird a lot over emotional discussion, which i can understand. But mostly people hang out with each other, they party with each other.
    I dont know what the future brings for my classmates but i hope that for these people it will become more evident that war shouldnt be started by them, and they should actually try to make the most out of the situation that they are in and keep this mentality when returning home.
    And the enviroment in my university didnt in particular learn me anything i didnt believe in before, but i don’t see any difference in race or countries when it comes to educated people with good a background.

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  297. on June 22, 2010 at 5:32 am Gorbachev

    Ethnic Purity and Canada:

    Steve Sailer had this report.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/06/canadian-crimethink.html

    From a reading of the comments (only 51 when I read), and exploring what the media reports, and reading a few pretty diverse blogs and their comments, it struck me: there’s a profound difference in the debate over immigration up there.

    Few Canadians seem to be calling for an end to immigration. Lots of Canadians seem to be calling for reform of the system in one way or another, making sure immigrants get no welfare, cutting back numbers, restricting countries of origin. Etc. The article says they’re preferring immigrants from Asia. That’s what I saw when I was there. Tons of Asians.

    (* I wonder if they’re smart enough to cut out Muslims).

    All of the political parties and the entire establishment seems to support immigration, even their socialists and the conservatives (now in power). There’s no dissenting official voice of any kind that I could find. The only disagreements are in the form of the system.

    Down here it’s all about race, and almost nothing else.

    Again, Canadians seem to be able to have sensible, more rational debates that don’t get too polarized.

    Another thing that strikes me, too: One way or another, we need the Canadian immigration system. The “points” system with selective entry is the only one that makes sense. Letting in people who won’t make money is a disaster. What we have is no system.

    But no – it always conflates to simple “race” down here.

    Not only do Canadians run their financial system better, not only do they have a (more) sensible immigration system, not only do they seem to be playing a non-“racist” long-term Eugenics game that would make an idealistic HBDer proud, …

    — They can also *talk* about this issue better than we can.

    It’s embarrassing to be a Yank sometimes.

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  298. on June 22, 2010 at 5:53 am biktopia

    My comment in mod but, want to reframe the last sentence,,

    and I dont need a person to be educated to win my respect and likes, as long as they are good people, educated or not, they are fine with me. Same people.

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  299. on July 3, 2010 at 6:49 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””The Rational Male
    “The Rational Male,

    Care to share your knowledge with us?”

    Regarding wealth?

    If that’s what you are asking I couldn’t even begin to get started in the comments of a blog post.
    ”””””””
    Spend less than you make and you will build wealth. Simple shit. To build a lot of wealth either up what you make or up what you save. To do it in short time work 84 hours a week.

    ”””””””””””Firepower
    Fuck the “Alpha Concept.”

    It’s predictably distorted via illiterate culture into a myth when “alphas” such as Hayden Christenson and Ashton Kutcher are lauded as an example worth striving for.

    so, I’ve distilled my Game down to dangerous – yet curiously erudite – Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon Thug.

    If a bitch wants to buy me a new leather coat, fine. I don’t mind making her come an extra 3 times a night that week.

    firepower’s maxim: Never, ever, ever forget that people are so stupid as to be relegated beneath contempt.

    they just don’t matter

    ”””””””””

    Dam bro

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  300. on July 3, 2010 at 7:26 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’Trimegistus
    The usual gang of commenters here are a clever and entertaining bunch, but I don’t believe ANYTHING any of them report about their personal lives. Somehow I just doubt that many self-employed millionaire expat entrepreneurs with mini-harems can find the time to sit around in their underwear reading ‘blogs.
    ”””””””’

    That is one of the problems with life whether you are penniless or a billionaire you are still a human being contrained by a body.

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  301. on July 14, 2010 at 6:38 am azizk

    Nice post, I like it. Keep going. Thanks.

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