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The Self-Delusion Cloak Of Invincibility

June 29, 2010 by CH

Women in their late 30s are freezing their eggs because they haven’t yet found the perfect badass alpha male willing to commit to them and love them for all eternity in between time spent ruling the galaxy.

A study of women at a Belgian clinic found half wanted to freeze their eggs to take the pressure off finding a partner, a fertility conference heard.[…]

The women who had an average age of 38 did not expect to use their frozen eggs until they were around 43 and they realised they needed to undergo the procedure while they were still healthy and fertile.

“We found that they had all had partners in the past, and one was currently in a relationship, but they had not fulfilled their desire to have a child because they thought that they had not found the right man.”

The self-delusion on display here is astounding. These are supposedly smart, educated women thinking like this. They are deluding themselves in two ways. One, late 30s is too late to start harvesting eggs. The shelf life of eggs is short; the primo years for eggs are late teens to mid 20s to begin scooping them out in order to have babies at a much later date through an older woman’s bedraggled, paper-thin vajeen, just as nature intended. But the bigger self-delusion (and the funnier one from my point of view), is the implied belief of these women that they are exempt from the laws of the sexual marketplace. Do smart women really believe that in their late 30s to early 40s they are just as attractive to the alpha males as they were when they were younger, hotter, tighter? If their behavior and spending decisions are any indication, the answer is yes.

They are in for a rude awakening. Oh sure, a couple of them might get extraordinarily lucky and land their prince chumplings, but most will either fade into sexual worthlessness, crying tears of despair at night as their dreams stalk them with visions of empty children’s playpens, or they will suck it up and learn to settle for the unexciting beta lapdog with the advanced degree in domestic engineering. A few will choose to tough it out as single moms, gifting the world with yet another juvenile delinquent or slut in training.

On a side note, how would you feel if you were the “man” in a relationship with one of these cunts who was letting you know in no uncertain terms that she’s putting off childbearing because she doesn’t believe you are worthy of inseminating her? Would that be grounds for switching out her birth control pills for flintstones vitamins just to fuck with her?

[Dr Srilatha Gorthi] said the medical students gave career reasons as the most common reason for considering egg collection while the other students were more concerned about financial stability.

And she added that society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready without compromising their careers.

Typical wrongheaded feminist advice. “Better supporting” young women to have a family is exactly what got them into this predicament in the first place. What happens when society stitches a safety net of financial, legal, social, and cultural support under young women? Why, they ride the cock and career carousel until the parties start to get boring, and then they go asking for handouts from the state, from business, and from desperate betas to help them raise their late in life love children.

Here’s a crazy thought: maybe what the West needs to avoid a sad decline is a little less support, instead of more.

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  1. on June 29, 2010 at 10:57 am crazyshoe

    over at alternativeright.com paul gottfried just remarked on how “collective solutions at this point may be hard to come by.” so look out for yourself as an individual. learn game and spin these young women around into YOUR vaj carousel, instead of the alternative.

    i think the fellow at occidental dissent was right about the civilizationally restorative power of game (and roissyism). at a certain level the clusterfuck of hegemonic managerial elements that govern us operate by attempting to give people what they explicitly say they want. and the womyns say they want sexual freedom. well you know what mencken said–give them what they want, and give it to them good and hard. shoving sexual libertinism down their throats (haha) is a sort of leninist-styled personal and political gesture. fun too.

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  2. on June 29, 2010 at 11:00 am Cloud

    first

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  3. on June 29, 2010 at 11:00 am PA

    These women might also wanna set aside some money for a nanny. Forty three is no age to be carrying a 20-lb child for half an hour several times a day after feeding, then running around after him so he doesn’t fall once he starts walking… and a million other things a forty-something woman will have NO ENERGY for on a sustained basis.

    There is a reason why 20-somethings are designed to bear children and then expend the energy on taking care of them around the clock.

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  4. on June 29, 2010 at 11:03 am Tarl

    On a side note, how would you feel if you were the “man” in a relationship with one of these cunts who was letting you know in no uncertain terms that she’s putting off childbearing because she doesn’t believe you are worthy of inseminating her?

    See ya, I’m off to find a younger and more fertile woman!

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  5. on June 29, 2010 at 11:15 am The Editor

    OMG! Freaking thank you Chateau. I read that yesterday morning and wrote a “complete break from reality” style rant on my blog b/c I was so insanely pissed at the dr’s, the women, their retarded thinking……….and there are lots of gamma’s out there who will tolerate this sh-t! and the white knighting retards to pester me wrote and complained of how cruel I am. Oh, dear God, no one is sane anymore.

    I need something to lower my BP, darn it!

    Everyone can hate me, but here is the truth: obgyn’s consider a 34 yr old preg female AS A HIGH RISK PREG/BIRTH. It is high risk! Look, ladies, if you are over 29, over 30, over 34, it is too late to have babies, it just is. A real mother would value the health of the baby over her “options” she’d accept being too old to go thru that whole mess. Why risk problems to a baby? So damn selfish…

    And suuuuuuuuuure, maybe your mom was 32 and did just fine have you. Well that is great, but we are not talking about personal experiences here as they not very objective. Women are retarded and do not think of the future: “gee, I’m gonna 35, and the kid will be 10 when I am 45 meaning I’ll be in menopause making everyones life a living hell”.

    The evility of femnisim drives me nuts! They or femnisists have ruined the west and made it ripe for another invasion and it ain’t gonna be pretty…

    ok, gotta go calm down…pulling claws back!

    lp999

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  6. on June 29, 2010 at 11:22 am The Rookie

    the self delusion is glorified in movies like Sleepless in Seattle and The Wedding Planner and Sex and the City and…

    can’t feel sorry for them. I think they know what they are doing

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  7. on June 29, 2010 at 11:24 am Naomi

    Notice the article says these women “want” to freeze their eggs, not that they are actually going though with it. Huge difference there, especially when one considers the cost.

    The procedure requires the use of hormones with powerful side effects and in some cases, they can be life threatening.

    I’m surprised 8 out of 10 medical students surveyed would agree to this; shouldn’t they know about the harvesting process and its risks?

    As a female medical student myself, I put my partner first as much as I can. I sometimes sacrifice study time during the day to be with him to keep our relationship healthy, and to make up for that I have to stay up even later studying.

    I don’t whine to him about the stress. It’s not so bad as people make it out to be, especially if you have a healthy relationship that can balance your life. He respects my future career a lot, but I know that if I was working as a salesgirl or something he would love me just as much. It just doesn’t figure in the equation of his attraction.

    When it comes time to apply for residency I want to stay in the same city to be with him, even if it means picking a specialization that isn’t my #1 choice. I have several interests and luckily they are all relatively light on hours and call compared with other specialties. Why would I move across the county and be alone just to practice a certain type of medicine when I can stay here and be with him?

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  8. on June 29, 2010 at 11:29 am The Truth

    Delusional is not strong enough to describe these stupid women.

    Support? Fuck you. You are empowered. Go support yourselves.

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  9. on June 29, 2010 at 11:31 am Laura

    PA is right. I’m about the same age as these women and I don’t really have the energy or the desire to be up in the middle of the night with newborn or chasing after a young toddler all day.

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  10. on June 29, 2010 at 11:32 am anon

    I have to wonder how awesome the career opportunities are in the decrepit eurtrash welfare state are for which these chicks are considering putting off having kids. I think Mark Steyn would say it’s more likely that they are eternal adolescents and can barely handle the responsibility of taking care of themselves, or something.

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  11. on June 29, 2010 at 11:34 am anoukange

    I don’t agree with what they’re doing, but what does it matter that they are? Hoping/wishing that any man or woman end up alone and loveless is just pure evil. I don’t like you today.

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  12. on June 29, 2010 at 11:36 am crazyshoe

    ankouage, their delusional mischief is not self-contained. it affects the setting in which we all live and they deserve to reap what they sow. fuck your tacit individualist goodie-goodie neutrality.

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  13. on June 29, 2010 at 11:38 am Naomi

    Agrees with anoukange. If people quit spending so much energy worrying about what other people did and judging them, don’t you think the world would be much more pleasant?

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  14. on June 29, 2010 at 11:44 am Lily

    “Typical wrongheaded feminist advice. “Better supporting” young women to have a family is exactly what got them into this predicament in the first place.”

    Hmm, France has a higher birthrate than the UK, particularly in the middle classes but has always had much stronger support for working women and mothers generally. Though increasing in recent years.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/22/france.jonhenley1

    @Editor

    That’s funny, my mother had me exactly at 32.

    I’m no fan of encouraging women delaying having children, particularly not a first baby but the risks aren’t as great as you may think, particularly in the thirties rather than forties. The main risks for birth are preeclampsia in pregnancy and premature birth and increased likelyhood of twins (which again is linked to premature births as well as low weight babies). And in terms of the child, the main one is down’s syndrome, not much else. And it’s not a pure age thing as the risks in birth problems are similar in over 40s and teenagers. As someone already said, the 20s are the best time.

    However, women having children at 40+ is nothing new. Surely some of the older guys on here have mothers who had their last baby post 40. I don’t know any in my age group but if I look to my friends who are 45+, many of them have mothers who had children after 40. (so my immediate reaction is it’s linked to birth control pills). I would imagine this 40+ women children may have been more common in Ireland.

    And before you say I’m being all womanly and using ad hoc personal experience, here’s interesting stats:
    live births, women aged 40-44 in the UK
    1961 23,300
    2004 19,884

    These are figures I extracted from the Office of National Statistics. The figures dipped down post 1961 (presumably after the baby boomer rush and the rise in birth control, and the timings correlates to what I said about people I knew).

    But the fact remains that there were more children born to women over 40 in 1961 than there were in 2004. And these were live births, so with medical advances in childbirth, premature babies etc being much further along in 2004 which presumably meant a much higher pregnancy rate in 1961, it’s quite interesting.

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  15. on June 29, 2010 at 11:45 am Paul

    Roissy,

    As someone about half your age I can tell you the tide is shifting. These days only the very most beta of men consider marriage as an attractive possibility. We are just getting so much for free its silly to make a big investment.

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  16. on June 29, 2010 at 11:45 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @Roissy
    “Oh sure, a couple of them might get extraordinarily lucky and land their prince chumplings”

    Prince ALbert of Monaco is a perfect example. He is 52, she is 32. She looks nice enough, but she is aging past her delivery date.

    http://www.luxist.com/2010/06/23/prince-albert-of-monaco-gets-engaged/

    The result is going to be a soured blood line.

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  17. on June 29, 2010 at 11:45 am Black Rebel

    Harvesting eggs…at 38…?

    What is this, the fucking’ 50’s? When women could have normal and functional kids at that age because air and water pollution hadn’t yet run out of control, foods were pesticide and hormone free and there wasn’t a perscription (with unknown long-term effects) for every ailment?

    No, because if it was the 50’s women would have limited rights and society would probably still be functioning adequaetly.

    I predict a spike in down-syndrome babies, which of course will mean the expansion of the safety net that’s already stretched too thin. If women want to harvest their eggs, the maximum age at which it should be allowed is 26.

    Of course that’s not going to happen; whenever a man is told he can’t do something it’s to protect society, whenever a woman is told she can’t do something it’s either fascism of ‘that Patriarchy keeping a woman down again, contact N.O.W.!’

    …

    Said it before, will say it again; as long as I remain attractive to 19-27 year old women (I predict I can get another 15 years at least out of it), I will be sexing them up exclusively.

    When I am no longer attractive to them, I will pay for their time by the hour.

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  18. on June 29, 2010 at 11:48 am Lily

    @ BlackRebel
    “Said it before, will say it again; as long as I remain attractive to 19-27 year old women (I predict I can get another 15 years at least out of it), I will be sexing them up exclusively.”
    Unless you’re planning to make these 19-27 year olds pregnant and be a father to the children, you’re part of the problem 😉

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  19. on June 29, 2010 at 11:49 am anoukange

    crazyshoe-

    I live in DC. What is written about here doesn’t touch the beyond stupid shit my taxes pay for. I help pay for lazy ass fuckers to have jobs that shouldn’t even exist and that the city doesn’t need because we have a socialist for president and one for a mayor as well. I mean really, what’s the difference if I pay to help raise the kid of someone else or if I pay to have a crossing guard to “assist” full grown adults cross the fucking street and disrupt traffic flow in the process and make me later to my job that pays for them to have such a cake city job, with full benefits too I’m sure.

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  20. on June 29, 2010 at 11:53 am Sidewinder

    This is a great Paglia commentary that discusses how our economic system and culture de-genders men and women into androgynous, non-appealing potential sexual partners.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/opinion/27Paglia.html

    Feminism (the irrational dogma that men and women are exactly the same minus their sexual organs) is the inevitable result of capitalism. Feminism is not the cause, it is but one symptom. When value is objectified apart from the natural processes and human needs that create it, human beings will eventually be stripped of their humanity and alienated from nature. The capitalistic system doesn’t start this way, but economic rationalism and time slowly and incrementally push humans further and further away.

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  21. on June 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm Sidewinder

    From Paglia – “In the discreet white-collar realm, men and women are interchangeable, doing the same, mind-based work. Physicality is suppressed; voices are lowered and gestures curtailed in sanitized office space. Men must neuter themselves, while ambitious women postpone procreation. Androgyny is bewitching in art, but in real life it can lead to stagnation and boredom, which no pill can cure.”

    C/R also had an excellent paragraph describing the modern white-collar workplace and why men hate it in responding to some old feminist talking about the decline of men or something.

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  22. on June 29, 2010 at 12:01 pm crazyshoe

    ankouage, it strikes me as more of an overall social consideration than an economic one. but you’re right, i’m off in my fantasy land where the attitudes and habits that are generally supported and gratified matter and affect the setting in which i live. in my otherworldly dimension i constantly have to make my way around women who are similar or identical to those depicted in this post, and who would not be allowed to behave thus were it not for outside social/institutional support and approval. but i should take my cue from you. i should remember that when matters like this trouble me it’s only because i’m a bitter meddling fascist. in (your) reality i’m hermetically sealed off from such toxic concerns, except insofar as taxes are concerned.

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  23. on June 29, 2010 at 12:11 pm Lily

    I’ve been thinking about this more and I would rather have my tax money spent on supporting professional women having children younger than lots of other things, particularly instead of say supporting teenagers/young women who have children for welfare and a free council flat in the UK. It is ironic that the people who are least likely to afford children or give them a good upbringing are the ones who are having the most children.

    In the meantime, we may have extended maternity leave to a year but it’s not subsidised anywhere near what it is in France or Sweden (where teenage pregnancy is low as despite the welfare reputation, teenagers there wouldn’t get a free flat, they would have to live with their parents which seems to help them with their birth control choices).

    There are obviously other issues in play here beyond support, like the extended adolescence young adults or the disinclination of men to settle down until they are financially ready which may not be till their early thirties. (I’m talking regular men, whether beta or alpha, not MGTOW).

    But I do think an important factor is how able a woman feels to have children in her twenties without messing up her career prospects or being completely dependent on a man or the state (despite what some men think, there are women out there whose idea of thinking about their financial futures is dependent on their ability to earn an income of a certain level, rather than divorce theft :-))

    Yes, you can choose certain professions, but there’s only so many to go around and also limited within it. e.g. if you’re a doctor you may be more likely to become a gp than a hospital doctor, if you’re in banking, fund management over investment banking.

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  24. on June 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm Jeff

    Argument that kids are too tiring for a woman in late 30s or early 40s is questionable, lots of jobs are also physically tiring. Is chasing a toddler around really more physical effort than, say, being a waitress or a floor nurse in a hospital?

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  25. on June 29, 2010 at 12:14 pm Joseph

    Anoukange

    “I don’t agree with what they’re doing, but what does it matter that they are? Hoping/wishing that any man or woman end up alone and loveless is just pure evil. I don’t like you today.”

    What are you 5? If they can’t look far enough ahead to see where this decision is going, then they deserve what they get. They don’t feel sorry for me because I’m a beta guy who doesn’t get any attention from girls. In fact they hate me for it. I’m not much for spreading hate, but in case an exception is not only acceptable, but would be foolish not to be met in kind.

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  26. on June 29, 2010 at 12:14 pm Black Rebel

    @ Lily

    My preference for young, attractive women is part of the problem? What problem? That women unwisely put off having kids to pursue careers and then realized that by the time they wanted kids and could afford them it was too late to have them?

    And maybe I will settle down with one of them, the future isn’t certain. Of course I’m so disillusioned by women that the qualities she’ll need to have to be a lifetime partner will make the 463-bullet point checklist look like a post-it note that says ‘Steve called at 3:30’.

    It’s not my job to make older, used-up women who are childless due to poor decision-making feel viable again, nor is it my job to produce offspring that in our current system are as likely to be taken away from me by my future-wife’s overzealous lawyers as they are to grow up resenting me thanks to the ‘your mom is a paragon and your dad is a deadbeat’ society we currently live in.

    That kind of entitlement is truly the problem.

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  27. on June 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm Original JB

    “If people quit spending so much energy worrying about what other people did and judging them, don’t you think the world would be much more pleasant?”

    The problem is that in this day and age the cost of stupid decisions is rarely borne exclusively by the individuals that make them. I’m all for libertarianism where individuals don’t come running to the government for a bailout or subsidies or benefits when their idiocy backfires.

    This is another example — “empowered” women begging for “support”. No accountability whatsoever.

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  28. on June 29, 2010 at 12:18 pm Joseph

    I would rather keep my tax money and let them deal with their problems themselves. If they need help, go find a church family that’s willing to put up with that nonsense. There’s plenty of them out there. I hate liberalism in all forms, and social programs are the most retarded ideas in the history of man. If it has to have legislation, then it isn’t from the heart. If you are forced to give money at gun point, then it’s called robbery, not charity.

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  29. on June 29, 2010 at 12:20 pm Sidewinder

    @ Lily,

    Here here. The biggest threat to western civilization is our breeding behavior. Our misguided notion of equality of the sexes has led us further from natural truth. The result is that physically desirable “successful” or socially-functional women lose out on the 8-10 years of their greatest fertility (18-28). A physically beautiful, intelligent and emotionally healthy high school graduate would be stigmatized if she stepped out of the social rat race and got married and had kids. Instead, she is pushed headlong into college, and if she’s still successful, into a graduate degree of some sort. If she has a kid before 30, she’s lucky.

    If anyone still believes in the classical liberal ideals of western civilization and wishes to combat the ignorance of muslim religious fundamentalism or our own welfare-entitlement culture, we have to calibrate our societal expectations with the realities of nature. I don’t have the answer, but somehow we need a cultural movement that removes the stigma preventing ideal young women from maximizing their reproductive potential.

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  30. on June 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm The Truth

    There is a fundamental law of nature: in order to get something, we have to give up something. One cannot have it all. The sooner these entitled harpies realize this (doubtful) the better off they will be.

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  31. on June 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm Belgian

    Lol, i know them, these intellectual women… not very attractive, but they believe themselves so much more worth because they can parrot professors at the university. Worse than them being not very attractive is their attitude though, that renders the female completely worthless.
    Ah well, darwinism in practice…

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  32. on June 29, 2010 at 12:28 pm dalrock

    While the trend is troubling, I think the scope is being overstated. I’ve been looking at recent data published by the US Census on marriage/divorce for the second of a three part blog series I’m writing on Grey Divorce . Per the latest US Census Org data (1999), only 22% of white women between the ages of 30-34 have never been married. The vast majority of white women still get married in their twenties. There are pockets where women tend to marry a few years later, especially educated women in the Northeast. But overall, the trend isn’t nearly as large as many would suspect. Check out this table on median age of marriage from 1890 to present. In 1890 the median age women (first) married was 22. Now it is 26.

    @ The Editor

    Everyone can hate me, but here is the truth: obgyn’s consider a 34 yr old preg female AS A HIGH RISK PREG/BIRTH. It is high risk! Look, ladies, if you are over 29, over 30, over 34, it is too late to have babies, it just is. A real mother would value the health of the baby over her “options” she’d accept being too old to go thru that whole mess. Why risk problems to a baby? So damn selfish…

    Starting at age 35 they consider it a Geriatric Pregnancy. There is no magic year where risk suddenly appears. Age 34 and 35 are nearly identical risk wise, but they have to draw the line somewhere. My wife is 35 and we just had our second (presumably last) child. We had to do extra ultrasounds and genetic counseling which we didn’t have to do with our previous child. At 35 the risks haven’t become that great yet, but they continue to increase dramatically the later a woman waits to conceive.

    Take Down Syndrome for example. At age 25 the risk is 1/1100 live births. By age 35 this has risen to 1/350. By age 40 it is up to 1/100, and by age 45 it is up to 1/25.

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  33. on June 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm anoukange

    crazyshoe-

    “it strikes me as more of an overall social consideration than an economic one.”

    –I agree with this too. I was just off to one side of the argument/analysis. This blog is a tough read, it literally hurts my heart with how much hate it spews. It gets hard to take sometimes. It’s always negative. I can’t help I still have a heart, I’m a non-jaded girl. What would you recommend?

    Joseph-

    “What are you 5?”

    –I fucking wish I was, seriously.

    “I’m a beta guy who doesn’t get any attention from girls.”

    –I love betas. As long as they aren’t bitter. Should we meet and see if there are any sparks?

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  34. on June 29, 2010 at 12:34 pm dalrock

    Correction:

    Per the latest US Census Org data (1999)

    Should have been

    Per the latest US Census Org data (2009)

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  35. on June 29, 2010 at 12:37 pm anoukange

    Paying taxes is life. Paying for the mistakes of others is called being an American citizen. We are a twisted cluster fuck. We are a capitalist- socialist country. We are a bipolar nation and our two party system only fuels this.

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  36. on June 29, 2010 at 12:39 pm dalrock

    So now we know:

    1) Women who delay pregnancy are delusional.

    2) Women who don’t delay pregnancy are smug.

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  37. on June 29, 2010 at 12:50 pm Usually Lurking

    Notice the article says these women “want” to freeze their eggs, not that they are actually going though with it. Huge difference there

    If the article had reported: “The men ‘want’ to beat their girlfriends..” Would you have had the same reaction?

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  38. on June 29, 2010 at 12:52 pm Usually Lurking

    If people quit spending so much energy worrying about what other people did and judging them, don’t you think the world would be much more pleasant?

    Fine. Then don’t make me pay for Head Start, Public Schools, Free Lunches, etc.

    Honestly, you give me that, and I won’t judge.

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  39. on June 29, 2010 at 12:52 pm M-Theory

    Let them get on with it, what the hell does it matter to us?

    If you guys spent less time worrying about what these women were doing with their eggs, there would probably be less male virgins commenting on this blog. 😉

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  40. on June 29, 2010 at 12:54 pm greatbooksformen

    “were younger, hotter, tighter?”
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    lzozlllzlzlz i luv u roissy man if you don’t write a book and start a cable network i will protets the universe lzozlzlzlzlzllzzl

    here’s some younger hotter tighter salutations and contemplations lzolzlzl

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/when-youre-on-a-date-know-taht-the-girl-is-working-for-the-federal-reserve-during-destert-that-is-ben-bernanke-or-tucker-max-she-is-texting-or-maybe-me-lzozllzllzlz/

    when you’re on a date know taht the girl is working for the federal reserve & during destert that is ben bernanke or tucker max she is texting… or maybe me lzozllzllzlz

    last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

    i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
    gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
    texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
    i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

    lzozllzllzlzlzl

    when you’re on a date know taht the girl is working for the federal reserve as she is trying 2 get you to pay for gaining access to the pussy she gave away for free lots in college when she was younger hotter tighter during all the mandatory pre-cats-spinsterhood prima noctae deosuling sessions, in teh same way the fed gets you to bail out the banks who just gambled your pensions savings away when they were younger hooter tighter… or somethihnng… you get my drift .. unless you are a betadipshit lzozlzlzl

    lozlzllzlzllz

    from an early age womenz are deosuled by over sexulization of briteny spears mileyly cyrus bratz dolls lozlzlzlzlzlzlz as ocmmanded by the fed which must desoul women to make them less loyal t2 god husband family lzozlzl and more loyal 2 the fed lzozllzl and the almighty fiat dollar (which is basless debt zlzozlzlzlz). a fiat system inverts all of entirety exalting secretive tapoers of butthex to the pinnacles of publsihing, while deconstructing teh great books anbd classics lzozllzlzlzl

    so when you are out with a womenz buying her dinner chances are

    0) she is working for the fed lzozlzl what do you think law shcool business school trains womenz 2 do? to serve teh almighty fiat dollar above all else lzozllzzl and use buzzwords and short skirts to convert fiat debt into physical welath and property as teh fiat debt trickles on down and the phsyical wleath ghushes on up lzozlzlllzlzl ever wonder why goldman sax rhymes with tucker max & gets richer and richer as poeple get poorer and poorer and teh national debt grows and grows? someone must be spenidng the money that is augmenting the debt for everyone else lzozllzz and that would be goldman sachs and the warfare and welfare states it funds, alongside fmeinism, which denies a women her greater chance for glorya nd story and uses her temptress wiles to help the fiat masters convert fiat debt into property lzozlzlzl. poor ladies they end up butter and alone and soulless with cats as teh fed goes lzozlzlzlzlllzllzlzlzlzl women’s right to choose!!
    1) someone had her hotter younger tighter for free and you are now buying her dinner
    2) she was deosuled in secrteive tpaings of assoccking sessions taped without her conthent which the neocns are fond of lzozlzll
    3) when she texts during dinner she is setting up plans for a midnight assocking sessiomn with an alpha who creates welath from thin air someone like the head of the fed who wires it to goldman sax which rhymes witgh tucker max lozlzllzlzl who gets book deals from women-riun publishing houses like simon ans shcuster lzolzlzl because tehy dleight in his debt-creating debuachery-creating art succeth of losing ten million on a twelve million film as well as his asscocking sessions and secretiev tapings of butthex iwthout their girlsths contehnt which he publishes for both neocon pleaseure and profit lzozlzllz
    4) if you do get married 2 her there is a fifty percent chance it will end in divroce. lolzlzl would you get on airplane if it crashed 50% of the time? lzozlzllzlzlo hell no!! and what if, after it crashed bevcause your wife was fucking some biker drummer mba in teh cockpit (as he put his cock in her cock pit lzozlzl), what if after she cuased it to crash, you had to give her half your assets and begin paying for past use of her pussy? lzozllzllzlzl plus by going down once the plane will have gone down more times than your wife once she is married–dats a joke! lzozlzllzllz
    5) 2/3 to 3/4 of womenz initiate divorce as it transfers a mans assett s to teh fed/divorce regime as womenz are trianed to do in school with promises of her ex husband having to pay alimonies for past use of a pussy and fund and reward her further asscocking sessions tthat hshe hand’t had since college but whcih she missed dearly lzozlzlzloz (once back never back! lzozlzl or once in the back door, nver back! or you make your own joke here lzozllzlzzl i hate puns) she will get full rights 2 the kids and take them with her for her array of step boyfirends/fathers 2 abuse as abuse skyrockets in fmailies where the real dad is absent lzozlzlzlzlzllz, which is why the fiat neooncs detest fatherhood and the heoric spriit zlozllzlzl and love womenz who “tame men” lzozlzlzl and keep them from accessing tehir Natural Rights lzozlzl
    6) rising womenz generlaly make more than men these days as they are paid in fiat dollars which really only create debt and so it is that womenz excel at creating debt and they call this wokr lzolzllzlzlzl so let them buy some fiat dinners and drinks with their fiat dollarz lzozlzll

    seriously do u guys still date?

    i mean i love the laides but they look down on guys who ask them out. lzozllzlzlzlzl

    last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

    i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
    gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
    texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
    i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

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  41. on June 29, 2010 at 12:55 pm kaikou

    This place is turning crazy. What is right or wrong can be debated here, but the delusionment is getting out of hand.

    I am too young to be reading this shit. I going to go live life.

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  42. on June 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm walawala

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  43. on June 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm JB

    Look, why don’t we just say it.

    Women are children. Always have been, always will be.

    Feminism is children demanding adult status and child privileges.

    Nobody should care what children want, say or think. Children belong to their parents. If parents want to kill their children, it’s not the government’s business. Ditto for husbands.

    Heading off the stupid, tired, lame, spluttering objections:

    1. The government cares less about women’s well being than husbands and fathers do, and only one can be in charge.

    2. Women are unlikely to trigger “domestic violence” when truly defenceless.

    3. Your village tribal social circle is not your government, and your police are not your kinsman redeemers, you thickwitted emotional apes.

    4. There is no such thing as the state of nature, only tribes.

    Females are already quite good at exerting power within tribes. They don’t need government. Government should be unheedful of the existence of women save as items of male transaction or remainders of male households. Government should be ancillist, because women are ancillaries, being with few exceptions bound by self-delusion to an irrational sexual programming.

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  44. on June 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm Original JB

    “Paying taxes is life. Paying for the mistakes of others is called being an American citizen.”

    Freedom without personal responsibility is an unsustainable trend. At some point you either lose the freedom, your standard of living or the safety net you count on. We’re probably going to lose the second.

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  45. on June 29, 2010 at 1:00 pm crazyshoe

    haha. ankouage, i hear you.

    let me try to build a bit of a bridge here in my passing blog commentary, since you’re not to first one to read roissy and say, “ouch!”

    without valorizing this blog or assigning it more importance than it merits, i think i can say that roissy is a voice. obviously we can devolve into back-and-forths over “mommy issues” or whatever, but at some level you have to meet the common experience of a generation of men on its own terms. when you do you encounter a great deal of pent-up confusion, angst, whatever, that in the mainstream treatment is either addressed with dramatic inadequacy or directly dismissed and pathologized.

    roissy may write out of simple personal malfunction or hatred (although i don’t think so–more on this later). however to me his tone functions as simple narrative choice. he makes a big show of not asking permission to crush pretty lies and air the darkest of dark concerns. that’s a deliberate statement about the way things are. it’s obviously meant to upset the control, comfort, and status of those who manage and direct things toward palpably anti-masculine, de-civilizing results.

    listen, you don’t have to walk around pissed all the time, looking for ways to subvert, annoy, confuse, obstruct, and destroy your perceived enemies (and i don’t think this is the approach that comes across, really. this blog is far too too individualist to seriously push such a self-destructive agenda). at some point you have to get along. perhaps paradoxically that’s what roissy has helped me to do. i get my five minutes of reality and hate, as it were, and then move on and for the most part smile cheerfully and non-threateningly at the world. anyway.

    as far as roissy himself is concerned, i think there’s a staring-at-the-sun, give-me-the-truth quality here, less than any abiding hatred. notice that roissy refrains from calling the whole thing off entirely and opening some sort of total war. what the body of his writing ends up saying, to me at least, is that reality can be this rough and dark and STILL be worth some degree of belief and investment. looked at in those terms it’s a rather hopeful message, yes? “hope”–roissy’s new slogan!

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  46. on June 29, 2010 at 1:07 pm OneSTDV

    I wrote about the increasing number of women putting off marriage. They contend it’s about female independence, but it’s clearly a result of female hypergamy (“because they haven’t yet found the perfect badass alpha male willing to commit to them and love them”).

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/02/settling-for-mr-good-enough.html

    Feminism, by enervating the social stigmatization of late marriages, ultimately represents an audacious attempt to civilize the alpha male cad. Women no longer “settle” for a man of lesser value, a man who doesn’t ignite their carnal desires (read: beta), instead delaying marriage in an attempt to wrangle a member of the alpha male class. Females are no longer encumbered by an early (beta) marriage merely for social and economic support; they are now self-sufficient and thus free to pursue any man of their choosing. Marriage, children, traditional homes, and the nuclear family are all obstacles in the pursuit of the alpha male fantasy. Fittingly, they delay these mainstays of the responsible female in a tortured quest to meet their alpha prince charming.

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  47. on June 29, 2010 at 1:07 pm JB

    @ Original JB

    If South America is any guide, the whites will keep their standard of living and the freedom and safety net will go.

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  48. on June 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm greatbooksformen

    “Here’s a crazy thought: maybe what the West needs to avoid a sad decline is a little less support, instead of more.”

    yah roissy lzozllzl

    if you ended the fed and tehir aggressive funding of feministing and fisting and secretive tapinsg ofa asscocking iwtihout the gilrths conthent and all the silly womenz and idiot and hateful programs of welath transfer lzozlzlzlzlz all the asscockng sessons would cum to an end lzozlzlzlzlz

    lzozlzl

    the fed is butthexingthe nation and femnism is nothing more than using women to help ben bernanke to transfer and convert fiat debt into physical welath and property for his goldman sax divorce regime freinds lzozlzl

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  49. on June 29, 2010 at 1:13 pm Paul

    JB- you have been reading too much Schopenhauer.

    In terms of the white collar workplace, yes it falls in the face of our genetic programming, but you can still fulfill your genetic needs by working out furiously (you should be sweating buckets every day- sweating is VERY good for the body) and having sex regularly. For white collar workers who don’t do at least 1 of the 2 the workplace is truly soul-crushing.

    Anouk- rarely have I read such words typed from a woman’s fingers. (insert Neg)

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  50. on June 29, 2010 at 1:14 pm JB

    Of course, the reason ethnic diversity hasn’t worked itself out in South America the way it usually does is because of the super-puritan northern superpower. It will be interesting to watch the big G climb north from Cape Horn. Hutus and Tutsis, Texis and Mexis… why is it these groups always rhyme?

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  51. on June 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm Lily

    @ Sidewinder
    Better make that 21-28 (or even 29) because of preclampsia.

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  52. on June 29, 2010 at 1:23 pm JB

    One can never read too much Schopenhauer. One always dies painfully first.

    The cute thing about GBFM is that for all his lolz he still has hope. Attempting to reverse the decline is like giving CPR to a floater.

    America was doomed when Washington declined the kingship. “Limited” government corrupts absolutely.

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  53. on June 29, 2010 at 1:43 pm Lily

    @dalrock
    “So now we know:
    1) Women who delay pregnancy are delusional.
    2) Women who don’t delay pregnancy are smug.”
    LOL. It is hard being a woman sometimes. Can’t ‘win’ either way, by ‘win’ I mean accepted without comment. Today, I got ‘you certainly know your way around a balance sheet’ in an incredulous tone – insult, compliment, accusation of geekiness, neg.. who knows. Pretty sure a man in the same position wouldn’t have that said to him. Are good looking women not allowed to not know about balance sheets? Only shoes? Or is that just any women?

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  54. on June 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm Gorbachev

    Easy solution:

    Just don’t marry these women.

    And what’s with the visceral resentment of democracy? Are there closet monarchists about?

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  55. on June 29, 2010 at 1:49 pm crazyshoe

    no, democracy is great. fantastic. best of all possible worlds. who said otherwise?

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  56. on June 29, 2010 at 1:51 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I noticed this is in Belgium. The non-Anglo Western Europeans seems to be catching up to the crap we’ve been living with in the Anglosphere.

    I once had a girl (older of course) try to convince me that male menopause is real. I laughed in her face. In 5 years she’ll be practically infertile and I’ll still be worried about impregnating a young girl.

    Would that be grounds for switching out her birth control pills for flintstones vitamins just to fuck with her?

    Fucking hilarious.

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  57. on June 29, 2010 at 1:54 pm dalrock

    @Gorbachev

    Easy solution:

    Just don’t marry these women.

    Done.

    But interestingly enough from the census data if you live long enough nearly everyone (96%) gets married at least once. So some poor slob will probably marry them.

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  58. on June 29, 2010 at 1:56 pm Joseph

    @ Anoukange

    “Paying for the mistakes of others is called being an American citizen.”

    – Well put. I have no problem with taxes that pay for things that are useful (ex: roads, bridges, keeping Mexicans in Mexico, etc..) It’s like my parents having told me to pay for my sisters car after she wrecks it (fictional example).

    @ Lily

    ‘you certainly know your way around a balance sheet’

    – What were you doing with that balance sheet?

    – As for the poor women routine, you’ll be hard pressed to get any traction with that around here.

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  59. on June 29, 2010 at 1:57 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    Plato

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  60. on June 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm anoukange

    crazyshoe-

    –and that’s exactly why I read it. I’m allowed to have my eyes burned, it happens.

    With all the intelligence that floats around here (including the commenters) I hope for some conversations to head towards solutions. Design is thinking in terms of solutions, so as much as I observe politics, economics, social/cultural issues, etc., and have my rants, I look for solutions as well. My bent is towards humanity in the sense of solutions. The problems just change form. Much time is spent on the problems, there are many…it’s overwhelming how many there are.

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  61. on June 29, 2010 at 1:59 pm whiskey

    Look at who has kids, in the West, at an early age, and lots of them: Mexican immigrants, and Muslim immigrants. Both have women in lesser roles, so that even a relatively ordinary gang-banger or Muslim would-be jihadi is attractive due to increased status difference.

    Women will willingly have kids early and often if the guy is Alpha enough. In the West, that’s impossible for most ordinary White guys because they are not Alpha enough due to rough female equality. In the West, women who are not equal but lower are Muslim or Mexican and so have lots of kids, displacing natives and equalist notions.

    The future belongs to them.

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  62. on June 29, 2010 at 2:00 pm crazyshoe

    well, i studied under straussians, and THEY told me plato was a little scary and not to be fully trusted. aristotle, meanwhile, had views and attitudes identical to those of cosmpolitan jews living on the upper east side. if you understand “esoteric reading,” then you grasp that when aristotle says slavery has a biological basis, he’s really saying he believes in egalitarianism fully and passionately. no one who matters and is sane contradicts democratic belief.

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  63. on June 29, 2010 at 2:00 pm BDS

    Original JB: “The problem is that in this day and age the cost of stupid decisions is rarely borne exclusively by the individuals that make them. I’m all for libertarianism where individuals don’t come running to the government for a bailout or subsidies or benefits when their idiocy backfires.”

    So basically, you’re all for libertarianism on the back-end when it’s at its most costly. What about at the beginning, when the stupid decisions are being made in the first place? I don’t know if you fit into this category, but why do so many modern day libertarians refuse to consider that the consequences of individual stupid decisions often affect society at large? Why isn’t there a call for responsible libertarianism on the front-end, where the market effectively determines the price of the externalities risky for-private-profit operations entail, and give investors the opportunity to privatize them? You can’t privatize your public risks or deposit funds to bear them yourself, you can’t undertake the activity. That’s about as “free-market” as it gets, but too many libertarians would call that “anti-business.”

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  64. on June 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm crazyshoe

    ankouage, we could go twelve rounds on the topic, but i’m afraid things are looking rather insoluble now in any overall sense. i repeat myself from other threads, but the contradictions inherent in the system run too deep. the only solution i can identify is to allow them to run their course. at this stage worse is better.

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  65. on June 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm ahappinessexperiment

    @crazyshoe

    Mencius Moldbug

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  66. on June 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm PT

    Women have been spewing hatred at men for decades. Raw, open, unrepentant hatred. They still are. It is so common it goes largely unnoticed. I can’t recall a single woman saying anyting about it hurting her heart. I can recall countless women tittering and nodding in agreement.

    When I was a young, hopeful beta male, I was called a sexist pig for holding a door open for a woman. Did women really not see where such behavior would eventually lead? While some hatred may exist on this blog, I think many women are projecting that emotion into others’ posts. I think indifference (with a bit of bemusement) is the more common response to men my age looking at single, childless women our age freezing their eggs for later. I don’t hate them, I just don’t care about them. Not one bit.

    BTW- I think having children is the best and most practical way to regain some of your youth. Mine are a constant joy.

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  67. on June 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm Original JB

    “And what’s with the visceral resentment of democracy? Are there closet monarchists about?”

    Actually, there are. There are some who contend that Thomas Jefferson was a proto-Marxist, e.g. So what if the guy thought that every so often you need to hang a country’s elites from lampposts? Are any current events providing evidence to the contrary? I’d say all his suspicions have been vindicated and more.

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  68. on June 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm Joseph

    @ Anoukange

    – The only solution at this point is dissolution and reconstruction. Burn it down and start over.

    I propose a grand experiment. We divide the land into two equal halves ( or just have a 3 year old draw a line down the middle, it doesn’t matter). Conservatives take one side and Liberals on the other. See where you want to live in 50 years if no one is allowed to cross from one side to the other.

    As for women, we have given them too much power. They will literally have to have the world burning down around them to budge one inch on their current entitlements.

    As for real solutions, none are necessary. This is a self-correcting problem. This civilization will destroy itself and be taken over by one based on patriarchy. When the men become disenfranchised, they check out. Without the excess work these men provide, civilization begins to wilt.

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  69. on June 29, 2010 at 2:09 pm montzilla

    if you do get married 2 her there is a fifty percent chance it will end in divroce. lolzlzl would you get on airplane if it crashed 50% of the time?

    That’s fucking sage advice. I’ll have to remember to tell that to my friends contemplating marriage.

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  70. on June 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    no one who matters and is sane contradicts democratic belief.

    – Typical intolerance, agree with me or accept your label….

    – I also find it funny you didn’t specify those requirements the first time. I throw out a name others will recognize and out comes the requirements. As for “esoteric beliefs”, you need a God with a name and an address. Anything less and the post office won’t accept your letters.

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  71. on June 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm crazyshoe

    joseph, stop fucking repeating me. or if you do, call it right-wing leninism. DO IT. it sounds cool. i better fucking hear you say right-wing leninism. also i forgot my lunch, i dropped one of my ipod ear buds in my coffee and it doesn’t work anymore, i have to go to my second job after this one, and there’s no worthwhile trim there or here. i’m cranky.

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  72. on June 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm Lily

    @ Joseph
    I recently got ‘you certainly know your ginger’ at the supermarket when all I was doing was getting my shopping in my own little world. LOL.

    BTW I wasn’t doing a poor women routine, just sharing a funny thing from my day. But I do get the impression from some of the commentators on this blog that it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. In any case, I’m over 30, may as well kill myself now 😉

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  73. on June 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm crazyshoe

    OH MY CHRIST I WAS SPEAKING IRONICALLY YOU TONE-DEAF FUCK.

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  74. on June 29, 2010 at 2:12 pm Original JB

    “As for real solutions, none are necessary. This is a self-correcting problem. This civilization will destroy itself and be taken over by one based on patriarchy.”

    Welcome to your Sharia future, ladies. The footbath is on your left. The prayer rug on your right.

    Those disenfranchised men will surely be easy picking for the Islamists. Like Mark Steyn says, he’ll have the least to lose — just grow a beard and take a few more wives.

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  75. on June 29, 2010 at 2:13 pm crazyshoe

    joseph, your iq is, like, ten points lower than mine, at least.

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  76. on June 29, 2010 at 2:14 pm crazyshoe

    let’s type in this box some more. when i say no one who is sane or who matters contradicts democratic belief, i’m obviously satirizing democratic belief and its unreflective apologists. when i say that esoteric reading helps you understand that aristotle’s actual meaning is diametrically opposite of his stated meaning, i’m obviously mocking straussian jews. and so on.

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  77. on June 29, 2010 at 2:15 pm Lily

    @ Original JB
    “Those disenfranchised men will surely be easy picking for the Islamists. Like Mark Steyn says, he’ll have the least to lose — just grow a beard and take a few more wives.”
    Sure, of course under Islam he has to keep *all* of them living to the same standards at his expense.

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  78. on June 29, 2010 at 2:17 pm Paul

    Here is a concrete idea- state sponsored grad school scholarships (Max Age, 30) for women in the hard sciences WITH KID(S). We would have the right people reproducing at the right time.

    I am personally the only child of two very well adjusted and well educated parents. My mom had me when she was 37, and reminds me often of how lucky she was to have a healthy child at that age (the implicit advice- don’t let your theoretical future wife wait)

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  79. on June 29, 2010 at 2:18 pm ahappinessexperiment

    @crazyshoe, your iq is like totally omg almost zero.

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  80. on June 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm Lily

    @gbfm & montzilla

    “if you do get married 2 her there is a fifty percent chance it will end in divroce. lolzlzl would you get on airplane if it crashed 50% of the time?
    That’s fucking sage advice. I’ll have to remember to tell that to my friends contemplating marriage.”

    Well if you don’t want your kids to grow up into delinquents and sluts that all single mothers bring their children up to be as they are doomed to be in Roissysphere, you’ll just have to do man up and get married or not have children and leave a world without human beings in it.

    Maybe it’s not marriage that’s the problem, but attitudes towards it. We don’t die at 30 or 40 or whatever, and maybe it’s not realistic for a 23 year old to get married and stay that way for another 60 or 70 years. Why not see marriage as a renewable 10 or 15 year ‘contract’ rather than forever. And either way for gods sake get a prenup instead of acting like boy babies. OTOH another subject appears to be women are earning and men should drop out, so why not get married and divorce theft her?

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  81. on June 29, 2010 at 2:21 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    – I’ll say right-wing leninism because you obviously need it. Not because that’s what I am.

    – Secondly, I’m all about real freedom. Smallest government that we can possibly get away with. And we lock all the crazy power grubbers together in one city (which we will call a capital for arguments sake), and make it nearly impossible for them to consolidate power (we’ll call that checks and balances). And if anyone shows up to tell me what I can and can’t do on my own land, I shoot them …….. with GUNS! People taking responsibility for their own actions and not relying on others to pull them out when they screw up (that covers welfare). And if someone from another country wants in, good luck, here’s the paper work now go wait at the border (there’s immigration). And if you want to sell your products in our country, you better be ready to pay out your rear to be them in (there’s the counter to Free Trade Agreements, we’ll call them Tariffs). That will make foreign stuff expensive, so we better make it ourselves (we’ll call that industry). I just want a real country. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  82. on June 29, 2010 at 2:22 pm crazyshoe

    i stopped reading anyone’s comments except mine.

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  83. on June 29, 2010 at 2:22 pm crazyshoe

    oh, you’re about REAL freedom! man, why haven’t we tried THAT yet?? thanks!!!!!!!

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  84. on June 29, 2010 at 2:24 pm Joseph

    @ Lily

    – Take no desire on my part to see any harm come your way. I’m actually very caring, but I have been forced to become a realist recently. I receive the same damned if you do damned if you don’t mentality from women, and I’m all about equality! 🙂

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  85. on June 29, 2010 at 2:27 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    We tried, then someone stupid showed up and said we had a …………. Democracy! And women should be allowed to vote universally. There goes that great freedom we had.

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  86. on June 29, 2010 at 2:28 pm crazyshoe

    joseph, you should read you some jim kalb. and i don’t mean go look at his site for eight seconds and then come back with a rebuttal. just sayin’, freedom as an organizing principle has limited functionality and validity.

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  87. on June 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    Posted from above…….

    “Smallest government that we can possibly get away with.”

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  88. on June 29, 2010 at 2:31 pm crazyshoe

    joseph, who the shit is “we”?

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  89. on June 29, 2010 at 2:31 pm pupu

    It would be interesting to find out how many women actually go back and use their frozen eggs to make babies. When the option of deferring a decision is available and affordable, indecisive minds want to grab it mostly for the peace of mind.

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  90. on June 29, 2010 at 2:32 pm Joseph

    As for Jim Kalb, I’m not about to write a dissertation in the comments section. The Constitution was very bulletproof, but wasn’t perfect. A few minor revisions and we will have this all cleared up on the next go around. Viva Liberty!

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  91. on June 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm Joseph

    @ crazyshoe

    The shit is you. The we is all us sane people.

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  92. on June 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm crazyshoe

    and god damnit, joseph, what did i tell you not to do? i’m not speaking about a location on the anarchist/minarchist continuum. it’s a whole different conceptual problem with the basic underlying meaning and purpose of freedom.

    you . . . just . . . nevermind.

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  93. on June 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm Joseph

    I’m done, got to get back to work. Catch you on the next one crazy……

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  94. on June 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm crazyshoe

    oh, okay joseph. go organize all the sane people. i’ll feel oh so left out.

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  95. on June 29, 2010 at 2:44 pm sdaedalus

    Oh god, the egg-freezing post. I knew it was only a matter of time.

    I am not a huge fan of egg freezing because

    (i) reproduction by this method necessarily involves IVF – the risks of IVF from point of view of breast cancer in women are significantly underrated. Imo women are pushed far too readily into IVF these days, it is all about financial gain for the clinics;

    (ii) I worry about the surplus eggs being appropriated by someone else for nefarious purposes (slave labour of my unknown children). There is probably an irony here as any children of mine, known or unknown, would be the worst candidates for slave labour ever, being both lazy and rebellious.

    Look, there’s no doubt it’s probably better for women to have children in their twenties. Certainly kids beat office work hands down in terms of enjoyment.

    But that assumes that they can find a man who wants to have children with them in their twenties, with all that that entails, including financial support (having kids on your twenties involves a much greater financial sacrifice for the woman; the incomes of most women in their twenties often do not cover much more than creche fees).

    That’s not going to be that common among someone their own age. And the older men who go out with girls in their twenties usually are not that keen on having children at all.

    So what’s a girl going to do? Have kids alone? This is not a good idea either imo.

    Lily, yes I do know women in previous generations who had kids in their forties, my mother had four children between the age of 33 and 40, both my grandmothers had kids in their early to mid forties, none of whom appear to have suffered any lasting side-effects other than the usual consequences of being spoilt rotten. But I believe it is easier to get pregnant at that age if you have had a child already.

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  96. on June 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm dragnet

    @ Lily

    “Maybe it’s not marriage that’s the problem, but attitudes towards it. We don’t die at 30 or 40 or whatever, and maybe it’s not realistic for a 23 year old to get married and stay that way for another 60 or 70 years. Why not see marriage as a renewable 10 or 15 year ‘contract’ rather than forever.”

    You’re thoughtful—but you still haven’t learned much from this blog, apparently Marriage already IS a renewable contract—it’s just that the decision to renew (or opt out) is placed almost entirely in the hands of the wife due the incentives offered to wives by law & culture to divorce their husbands. And even if these perversions were done away with to make marriage and divorce more equitable, the “marriage as a renenwable contract” idea would still be difficult to apply in practice, particularly when wealth division & child custody come into consideration. It eventually led to a nearly identical situation as we have now.

    “And either way for gods sake get a prenup instead of acting like boy babies.”

    A pre-nup does not protect a man from ruination by his wife these days. I repeat: A PRE-NUP WILL NOT PROTECT A MAN FROM RUINATION BY HIS WIFE. Pre-nups are routinely contested and thrown-out by judges even in fairly conservative states. There really is no legal shelter for men.

    “OTOH another subject appears to be women are earning and men should drop out, so why not get married and divorce theft her?”

    This is happening more and more—but it still isn’t especially common. We’ve yet to see the end of this, but I’m betting it has a fairly low ceiling due to female hypergamy.

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  97. on June 29, 2010 at 2:52 pm margaret

    Just to clarify the high risk pregnancy. 35 is an arbitrary age chosen by OB/ GYNs for following reasons: as you know, the advancing age correlates positively with the chance of having a Down’s syndrome baby. The only way to confirm the genetic makeup of the baby prior to delivery is to do an amniocentesis which is an invasive procedure and carries roughly a 1:200 (a constant regardless of age) risk of pregnancy loss. At the age of 35 these two lines intersect and all of a sudden you are at higher risk of having a Down’s than losing the baby from the amnio. So, if you happen to have an X chromosome, it is not that something horrible happens to you on the eve of your 35th birthday. No reason to panic at that particular moment but the fact is that biologically the most optimal age for a woman to have children is in her early through mid 20ies. The reproductive and sexual peaks in both, men and women, don’t exactly overlap either which may be partially responsible for what is going on. And glancing at random gossip magazine covers showing all these cute twins being born to aging Hollywood couples, it is kind of obvious that this ‘it’s hip & cool to conceive as late as possible’ myth really keeps the fertility/ egg donor clinics in business. I think most women at some point in their lives want to have kids or at least regret not having any. But then you would have to admit (at least to yourself) a couple of things: 1. for what really matters in life you are ridiculously overeducated. 2. women in the 50s had it pretty good. Anyway, I just wanted to explain the advanced maternal age thing but got a little carried away.

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  98. on June 29, 2010 at 2:53 pm dragnet

    @ Lily

    “Hmm, France has a higher birthrate than the UK, particularly in the middle classes but has always had much stronger support for working women and mothers generally. Though increasing in recent years.”

    It’s higher, but it still sucks. And I would wager that what’s driving this higher birth rate is the higher birth rate among middle class immigrants (Muslims, Africans, Turks, etc)—communities with more traditional gender relations. I’m betting that among native, fair-skinned French the birth rate is much lower than 1.4.

    “However, women having children at 40+ is nothing new.”

    A pregnacy after 35 is generally viewed as high(er)-risk no matter what—but it’s less considered less risky if the woman has already had children (or a child) already. All things being equal, it’s considered a less risky pregnancy from a 35-yr old woman with two children than it is for a 35-yr old first time mother.

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  99. on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 pm Joseph

    @ roissy

    Man, I’m sorry about the rambling between me and crazy. If I could force myself to follow a single train of thought without the rambling that typically happens on these comments, I would. I’ll try to keep it to a minimum next time. 🙂

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  100. on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 pm Lily

    @ joseph
    Thank you, that actually means a lot. Today’s example was a funny one but I get followed home by men in the street sometimes, I guess all women do. I always felt quite threatened by it, now I read PUA blogs I guess it is ‘day game’, not that it helps my feelings of vulnerability.

    @ pupu
    I don’t personally know any women who have had their eggs frozen or even talked of it, but I do know a woman who had embryos frozen at 25 because of fertility issues. Between the ages of 25 and 30, they didn’t ‘take’ and then she had subsequent fertility treatment (starting off with Clomid which is a drug to help ovulation, then invasive IVF) without the embryos. She talked about trying the other embryos. Now she’s 40 and has just had a healthy baby. I have no idea if it was natural or one of the old embryos, I don’t have the heart to ask unless she decides to share the information with me. I am impressed her marriage (from age 24) withstood all of that. TBH I did think a few years ago, for god’s sake just let it go, adopt, foster or be childless instead of putting yourself through this pain. Anyway, she and her husband are overjoyed and I’m happy for them.

    As an aside, I must know more than 30 women who have had children aged 35+. Not a single one of those babies has any deformities but there were 3 premature births amongst them. None of these women are sex and the city types, on the whole they were in LTRs and often the men didn’t settle down till later.

    Again, I’m not advocating women holding off having children till older, especially not the first baby. There is definitely a class thing in England on age of mother. Just as a personal example, a good friend of mine lives in one of those SWPL gentrified areas and with her first baby, she went to two antenatal clinics, one was in the ‘posh’ area and at 35 she was the youngest women there (she had another 2 healthy babies before her current age of 41) and the other in the ‘deprived’ area where she was the same age as the grandmothers.

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  101. on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 pm Cap'n Bob

    Lily,

    A fifteen year contract is a really, really bad idea. Sounds like something Fourier or one of those 19th Century lefty nutters would have devised.

    Marriage has been with the human race for a long time. It works for most folks in its current form, Western feminist craziness not-withstanding.

    It doesn’t work for others, and it’s becoming an increasingly dicey proposition given the fondness of modern women for discarding their husbands.

    That said, it’s worth saving. But it’ll be saved when people, especially women, realise that It’s For Life.

    And they should marry while the eggs are fresh.

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  102. on June 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm Cap'n Bob

    And Margaret – that was an excellent post.

    In most ways, life really was better for women in the 50s.

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  103. on June 29, 2010 at 3:17 pm Lily

    @sdaedalus
    Exactly.

    @ dragnet
    Answer, marry a woman who has her own money (who is not a controlling harpie, though from the sounds of things that may be hard to find in the US unless you’re a natural alpha who can keep her in line) and doesn’t need yours.

    Or move to say Finland where you’d get a good chance of joint custody and no alimony. I still don’t get why a married woman in the US in her thirties or forties with kids with a husband that was worth having would divorce him and carry the burden of childcare on her own. I’m obviously stupid.

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  104. on June 29, 2010 at 3:19 pm The Editor

    thank you dalrock…geriatric pregnancy…was what I was going for.

    tis another day at work, I hit here and some other places to make my day brighter…

    here goes, I know its sounds nuts. But we must, or should return to the days when women did not vote. All this femnisism BS started there. I get so damn upset about the downward spiraling of America or the West I cannot even spell…

    and these frankendoctors are nut cases too. all these wonderful dr’s are never called upon by minorities or muslims are they? b/c muslims have tons of kids to populate the world for lovey dovey allah. and China’s population? stats say someething like they will have 16 milllion extra men. oyvey.

    shit, will obama care cover this nonsense these women want to do? omg, it will. I can see it now. will we market having kids as a success to obama’s office when the senate is trying to pass cap and trade (which will be passed) when the “global warming/AGW is all our fault to begin…the great culling, calls.

    God help us!

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  105. on June 29, 2010 at 3:19 pm Z

    if women were so successful at having kids in their late 30’s and 40’s then cant so many and why do the others freeze their eggs?

    and even still, if your dating a women in this age bracket why gamble with it and find one younger and dont have to deal with all of this?

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  106. on June 29, 2010 at 3:20 pm Lily

    @Cap’n Bob

    With the rise of the ‘silver divorce’, it’s not linked to eggs. I haven’t read up enough stats on it but my impression is it’s more likely in women who married young.

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  107. on June 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm sdaedalus

    @Lily
    Today’s example was a funny one but I get followed home by men in the street sometimes, I guess all women do. I always felt quite threatened by it, now I read PUA blogs I guess it is ‘day game’, not that it helps my feelings of vulnerability.

    I can honestly say I have never been followed home by anyone in my life, clearly this is a sign of some personal deficiency on my part. Occasionally my natural optimism surfaces & causes me to look around in the hope that perhaps I might be being followed, however my hopes are always dashed and I am the one left embarrassed & shamefaced at my presumption.

    Not only do drivers of cars invariably seek directions rather than distractions but pedestrians accost me only to ask whether or not I have seen the girl they are actually following (probably you, Lily). I suppose it is just about possible that I might attract the really expert type of follower but they must have a cloak of invisibility indeed to evade my sharp eye, most likely they do not exist or perhaps find me unappealing on closer acquaintance.

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  108. on June 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm ahappinessexperiment

    “here goes, I know its sounds nuts. But we must, or should return to the days when women did not vote. All this femnisism BS started there. I get so damn upset about the downward spiraling of America or the West I cannot even spell…”

    no. the decline of the west started when men were given the right to vote.

    [editor: incorrect.
    see:
    http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf%5D

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  109. on June 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm Lily

    @ dragnet

    Yes, muslim immigrants in france having a lot of children skews the figures but we have the same issue in the UK with bengalis and other muslims. And we have it skewed further with the ‘white underclass’ teenage mums.

    Middle class women in France do have more children than women class women in England. On the whole, the people who have 3+ children here are either non working classes on estates or upper middle class or aristocratic (the prime minister and his wife are good examples – incidentally sadly their first baby born in their twenties was very ill and subsequently died, rest fine). Working class and lower middle and middle class have either 1 or 2 children, or more regularly none at all, which is very sad.

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  110. on June 29, 2010 at 3:32 pm crazyshoe

    ahappinessexperiment is right.

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  111. on June 29, 2010 at 3:36 pm Lily

    @sdaedalus
    LOL.
    Don’t wish it on yourself. x

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  112. on June 29, 2010 at 3:37 pm crazyshoe

    i’ll read that, boss, but isn’t opening up the vote to men a precondition for opening it to women? and wasn’t it the voting male population that had something to do with suffragizing the female population?

    [editor: it only takes a few sycophantic vaj lickers to ruin it for the rest of us.]

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  113. on June 29, 2010 at 3:37 pm dalrock

    @Lily
    With the rise of the ‘silver divorce’, it’s not linked to eggs. I haven’t read up enough stats on it but my impression is it’s more likely in women who married young.

    In the US they call it “grey divorce”, and it is getting a great deal of coverage. As best as I can tell it is mostly a myth. Everyone is sure it is a big deal, but no one can point to the original stats. At any rate, per a major study done by the AARP in 2004, women fare very badly who divorce late in life. For details, check out my blog post on the topic .

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  114. on June 29, 2010 at 3:39 pm Kate

    If a woman doesn’t have children, it could mean she doesn’t want any.

    Having children is not really a big deal to some women. Maybe it has something to do with family background and role models. There are several women in my family who married and never had children because they and their husbands did’t want any, and never had regrets. As a couple, they actually seemed happier and more relaxed.

    Also, the women in my family who do have children, began having them late in their 20’s, and continued having them well into their 30’s. Everyone turned out okay.

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  115. on June 29, 2010 at 3:45 pm Lily

    ““here goes, I know its sounds nuts. But we must, or should return to the days when women did not vote. All this femnisism BS started there.”
    Well in England at least, it started earlier than that, with the married women’s property act of 1882 (I think, going from memory, too lazy to google). I for one, am very grateful for that precedent, my father too. Otherwise, I’d be very much worse off post divorce, ‘divorce theft’ indeed. Hah.

    It goes back further than than 1882, in Roman times they had marriage with ‘mano’ which soon became unpopular with women and their fathers.

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  116. on June 29, 2010 at 3:46 pm crazyshoe

    roissy’s sycophantic vaj licker theory, coming soon to an academic journal near you.

    the immediate solutions this problem suggests to me, then, are eugenics and ass-kicking.

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  117. on June 29, 2010 at 3:48 pm crazyshoe

    and by the way, the problem crowds in from multiple angles. capitalism itself erodes traditional, archaic arrangements and identity. see marx, or the book of margery kempe. sometimes i wonder why anyone ever thought in terms of potential collective solutions.

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  118. on June 29, 2010 at 3:49 pm The Editor

    thanks for the link…its sometimes impossible to get away with saying that being a female but its true. we women ruined our country over voting. look what that has wrought.

    however, I do not blame the men, so to speak. I am sure there was some other entity undermining America’s success. so “they” succeeded in allowing us to vote this the country is in the shitter…

    am I crazy? maybe, just saying that sufferage, liberalism, and femnisim is evil.

    lp999

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  119. on June 29, 2010 at 3:50 pm Doug1

    Naomi–

    When it comes time to apply for residency I want to stay in the same city to be with him, even if it means picking a specialization that isn’t my #1 choice. I have several interests and luckily they are all relatively light on hours and call compared with other specialties. Why would I move across the county and be alone just to practice a certain type of medicine when I can stay here and be with him?

    You are very refreshing Naomi.

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  120. on June 29, 2010 at 3:51 pm Lily

    @ dalrock

    Thank you, very interesting reading.

    I’m not sure we have an actual term for it in England, both grey divorce and silver divorce sound americanisms to me. But I can certainly see it happening around me. And I can see that if one were to rate it in terms of remarriage or sexual relations, men would fare better than women (and as an aside i really don’t get what’s in it for a 23-30 year old woman to marry someone who is 10+ years older than her as then she’s likely got 20+ years on her own *as an old lady*).

    What I see are older women who feel they have been shackled and more interested in the world than their husbands and have had their fill of looking after other people. I wonder if as people marry later, *if* there is a greater prevalance of older divorces, this will go down.

    Though I must say lack of hugs is very distressing at any age 😦

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  121. on June 29, 2010 at 3:52 pm Z

    “In the US they call it “grey divorce”, and it is getting a great deal of coverage. As best as I can tell it is mostly a myth. Everyone is sure it is ”

    I say

    the Grey divorce is no myth, Dont get married EVER

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  122. on June 29, 2010 at 3:53 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Otherwise, I’d be very much worse off post divorce, ‘divorce theft’ indeed. Hah.

    You very likely should have been.

    Of course it’s the rare, rare woman that remotely tells the truth about her divorce. Particularly if anyone is being critical about her property settlement.

    Of course also if/when women marry a low earning bad boy, or failed artist type, it’s hard to squeeze out much money even w/our hyper feminist divorce 2.0 draconian laws.

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  123. on June 29, 2010 at 3:53 pm Lily

    @ dalrock

    I would imagine that if there are silver divorces to the extent the media would have us believe, that the women are financially worse off than if they’d stayed married.

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  124. on June 29, 2010 at 3:58 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Working class and lower middle and middle class have either 1 or 2 children, or more regularly none at all, which is very sad.

    It may be sad when striving middle class families don’t feel they can afford more than one child. I think it is. But I think it would be a good thing from an overall social point of view if the longer term poor these days with considerable social mobility in Europe and the US, particularly if they’re long term dole takers of very kinds constituting most of their support, had non children. Natural eugenics that nature has always worked upon the least successful, until modern welfare state times.

    heavily voted in by women.

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  125. on June 29, 2010 at 4:00 pm Cannon's Canon

    for the late 30’s/early 40’s mothers who are “too tired” to raise babies, allow me to suggest shots of testosterone propionate in the ass. sure, enanthate is cheaper and easier to find, but the oil-based solution will firm up the buttocks. figuratively, it is similar aesthetically to the wincing pains of butthex, surely nothing new to such women.

    as an added bonus, there will be no need to run estrogen blockers after your ten week cycles. maybe such sinusoidal gender role reductionism will increase mean femininity.

    i see this as a win-win.

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  126. on June 29, 2010 at 4:00 pm Gorbachev

    @sdaedalus

    (ii) I worry about the surplus eggs being appropriated by someone else for nefarious purposes (slave labour of my unknown children). There is probably an irony here as any children of mine, known or unknown, would be the worst candidates for slave labour ever, being both lazy and rebellious.

    I had to stop eating and laugh, to avoid choking on my food.

    You rock.

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  127. on June 29, 2010 at 4:03 pm Jabberwocky

    Politics Explained

    FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

    PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else’s cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

    BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else’s cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.

    FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.

    PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

    RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

    CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.

    DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

    PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

    REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

    BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

    PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

    LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

    SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

    BUREAUOCRATIC FEMINISM: You have two cows. A feminist panel on gender equity decides the cows are being oppressed and sets them free in the wild where they are incapable of surviving on their own and proceed to die. You are somehow blamed.

    BEN BERNAKE FIAT CAPITALISM: You have two cows. In order to produce enough milk for the entire unproductive village, instead of buying more cows, the local bank waters down the milk. When that milk runs low, the local bank waters it down again. Eventually, the bank calls water “milk”, and has butthex with the cows.

    (Please add to or adjust the list. The last two are mine. The original author of this list is apparently unknown, but it appears people are constantly adding to it.)

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  128. on June 29, 2010 at 4:05 pm sdaedalus

    @Gorbachev

    I actually am quite serious about this, I do worry about egg theft. I also worry about my little eggs sitting all alone in a cold freezer rather than safe inside me. Sometimes the price one has to pay for extended life is simply too much.

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  129. on June 29, 2010 at 4:05 pm OhioStater

    Or she will find the right guy, but her career will advance faster than his and she’ll go cold in bed.

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  130. on June 29, 2010 at 4:06 pm JAFO

    Another excellent post, R.

    Just what we needed, another stream of premature, Down’s and autistic crocks.
    How will these nuts handle teenagers while in their 60s?

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  131. on June 29, 2010 at 4:07 pm chi-town

    Societies in the West like Europe, Japan and the Anglo sphere with the most gender bending are reproducing poorly. Within those societies career women are reproducing fewer still. Natural selection is already at work.

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  132. on June 29, 2010 at 4:09 pm Doug1

    Margaret–

    So, if you happen to have an X chromosome, it is not that something horrible happens to you on the eve of your 35th birthday. No reason to panic at that particular moment but the fact is that biologically the most optimal age for a woman to have children is in her early through mid 20ies.

    This is something of a whitewash Margret. Probably because you want ignore the biological and wider social dysfunction of feminist programing and propaganda about delaying the age of female marriage and childbirth, and holding out endless for the perfect guy, on the strength of still being able to get laid w/out commitment (though increasingly by less attractive guys), and feminist battling of slut shaming.

    Fertility declines rapidly from the mid thirties on, and the danger of birth defects of various kinds goes up rapidly. The 20s are the ideal time for women having babies, and it’s not a small difference.

    After 40 most women can’t give birth without extensive and very very expensive artificial help which is only sometimes effect. Then that to ceases to work except very rarely.

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  133. on June 29, 2010 at 4:12 pm Lily

    @Doug1
    “You very likely should have been.”
    Why? Is it so wrong for me to be protective about money I earnt with hard work *before* marriage? Or money my grandfather left me (after his own hard work)? Why should it go to my husband? In England, Pre the married womens property act (which I only mentioned as someone mentioned women and votes), it would have *all* been my husband’s. For just marrying me?! I believe in California with it’s 50/50 regardless of contributions, it’s linked to money generated *during* marriage?

    In my case, we took out 50/50 which was fair. It was about what we both put in in. We took inheritances out of the calculations (at our own agreement, it didn’t go to court – I had more in but he had more ‘due’).

    We didn’t have any children and if we had, I’d have wanted to do a trust which was 50/50 because we had about the same amount of money. If I’d married a much richer man, then maybe I’d have wanted it more like 70/30, but still in a trust with the money ringfenced for the child’s needs. Actually, we had a sort of foster son we’d taken in (sort of as in I consider him our son but it wasn’t a legal fostering thing), but I pay for him in terms of support for university, though he is now legally considered an adult.

    Why should I be likely be worse off?

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  134. on June 29, 2010 at 4:14 pm Doug1

    anoukange–

    –I love betas. As long as they aren’t bitter. Should we meet and see if there are any sparks?

    It’s my guess that who you’ve tended to have relationships with have been less alphas. Who have tended to be rather low on one of the dark triad characteristics of alphas. That’s low on the sociopathy side. aka, guys who can and do love rather strongly.

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  135. on June 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm ahappinessexperiment

    always funny when the pretty lies perish site drifts into politics.

    LIE: people hold actual political beliefs

    TRUTH: expressions of political beliefs are all about signaling. nobody really cares about politics. it’s an arena to prove yourself, like football, but nothing more.

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  136. on June 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm Lily

    @Doug1
    Please note I said ‘working’ class. I am a great believer in working classes, who you know, actually work. As opposed to the benefit class. I am sure their noble working class grandparents are rolling in their graves.

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  137. on June 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm Gorbachev

    @Lily
    Or move to say Finland where you’d get a good chance of joint custody and no alimony.

    – Yes, but then you have to live in Finland.

    I still don’t get why a married woman in the US in her thirties or forties with kids with a husband that was worth having would divorce him and carry the burden of childcare on her own. I’m obviously stupid.

    Because she’s bored with him.

    She needs the tingles.

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  138. on June 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm Doug1

    anoukange@crazyshoe-

    I live in DC. What is written about here doesn’t touch the beyond stupid shit my taxes pay for. I help pay for lazy ass fuckers to have jobs that shouldn’t even exist and that the city doesn’t need because we have a socialist for president and one for a mayor as well. I mean really, what’s the difference if I pay to help raise the kid of someone else or if I pay to have a crossing guard to “assist” full grown adults cross the fucking street and disrupt traffic flow in the process and make me later to my job that pays for them to have such a cake city job, with full benefits too I’m sure.

    Loved this rant. Just sayin’

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  139. on June 29, 2010 at 4:28 pm Gorbachev

    @sdaedalus
    @Gorbachev
    I actually am quite serious about this, I do worry about egg theft. I also worry about my little eggs sitting all alone in a cold freezer rather than safe inside me. Sometimes the price one has to pay for extended life is simply too much.

    I get this. But as a man, my sperm, … just isn’t worth as much.

    There’s just so damned much of it.

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  140. on June 29, 2010 at 4:33 pm Nicole

    Chi-town, the problem is that the stupid are reproducing indiscriminately and just fine. Intelligent, but perhaps not very wise people, reproduce less. So what is happening is that we’re lacking, in the coming generation, a critical mass of intelligent, forward thinking people who might have been able to pull the stupid along to some semblance of humane survival, had they been born.

    It’s not that there will be a slow progression towards chaos. Once there are seriously not enough smart people to keep the machine called civilization running, all hell will break loose, and quickly.

    Who will even man the sewage system when there is nobody left who wants to grow up to be an engineer?

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  141. on June 29, 2010 at 4:35 pm sdaedalus

    @Gorbachev

    That is so funny, you make yourself sound like Viagra Falls.

    I suppose the natural male need to evacuate the spem outweighs any concern about superfluous & neglected offspring (although Ferdinand Bardamu in particular seems to be very conflicted on this point at times, although no goose, he treats his sperm as the equivalent of the Golden Egg).

    I really like your use of the dot dot dot in your writing style, by the way, it builds the tension as we wait with bated breath for the next nugget of perestroikan wisdom.

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  142. on June 29, 2010 at 4:36 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Why should it go to my husband? In England, Pre the married womens property act (which I only mentioned as someone mentioned women and votes), it would have *all* been my husband’s.

    Oh sure, I am glad stuff like that passed.

    Though people don’t understand or want to understand the prior mindset. Which was that the family was a unit and ought to be and almost always was indivisible, with the husband at the head of it. Girl’s families were supposed to chose husbands carefully, with more or less input and veto power from her, depending. It was the husband’s duty to support his wife for life unless she comitted some grevious marital sin. Married female adultery was such a grevious sin. married male mere adultery wasn’t, unless perhaps very open and notorious, but his abandoning his wife completely was, winning her a divorce w/life support. Part of that support might come from property she brought into the union.

    As well property agreements, somewhat like today’s prenups in very different social environment, were not uncommon, esp. on the Continent.

    As for a 50/50 division of property earned during the marriage, no I think that is often unfair. Whatever the statistics on the earnings now of young unmarried people, women still tend to marry somewhat older men, and occassionally considerably older men (which the reverse while it occurs is very rare), and women strongly tend to still marry up in income and as well as status. Further women don’t tend to work as hard outside the home as men after marriage, and often slack off to a considerable degree. Yes young children are one reason but many women do so without or before children once married to an affluent man. (And contrary to feminist propaganda, it’s she that makes that decision. He can neither require her to work or work up to her potential, or not to work, or work only part time. Not under the law and not under widely prevailing cultural norms.

    As a high earning man who’s never be married or lived w/a woman who’s made half what I do (a nd I have no children), no I’d never consider marriage again on the basis of a 50/50 split. It only came in under the “equal economic partnership” theories of 2nd generation feminism, mostly in the 1970s and after. Before that a woman might get some alimony if her husband left her without her eggregious fault, or she left him because of his (generally in the case of men with some money because of his adultery, however trivial), but she rarely got a large part of his assets, except by mutual agreement.

    For e.g. a wife who stays at home to get half of the accumulated wealth of an upper middle class man when’s she cheated on him and won’t stop, or she wants to go off and find a new love interest after the greatest intensity there has been mellowed for awhile, is utterly outrageous.

    In fact I have long recommended that men generally refuse to marry without a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce. Your country doesn’t honor prenups, but there’s a strong move afoot that they should change that.

    Until 2000, the law in Britain didn’t provide for a 50/50 slit of wealth earned during the marriage.

    As for your own gifted or inherited or previously or seperately earned money, yes you should take that w/you in a divorce, as he should his.

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  143. on June 29, 2010 at 4:38 pm john

    Re the “Hollywood couples”: I dont know if it means something,but have u noticed all the hollywood types’ kids having sexual problems? Chers “son” looking for a dick. Now we hear Warren beatty’s (!) duaghter is really a boy,and HE is loking for a dick. Brad & Angelina’s girl is a “tomboy” who demands short hair and boys clothes…should there be some kind of Dick Bank set up for these kids? Could guys donate their dick on their drivers license? ( Cue violin music…Fat,slightly feminine looking man speaking:”Because of your kindness,I now have a dick! Please check the box on your DL. YOUR dick may help another man satisfy his woman!”…)

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  144. on June 29, 2010 at 4:38 pm Nicole

    Gorbachev, there is plenty of water too.

    You should view your sperm as an important natural resource. Nobody can make Gorbachev II without it.

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  145. on June 29, 2010 at 4:39 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Why should I be likely be worse off?

    I was talking about the typical divorce case in Britain when some money’s involved. Though your child support = also stealth alimony aren’t as bad as ours. However prenups aren’t honored in Britain, which is outrageous. Not honored for anything.

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  146. on June 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm sdaedalus

    @Nicole

    That is so funny, and of course like oil it is increasingly in demand and will run out in about 50 years or so unless (unlike oil) replenished or frozen.

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  148. on June 29, 2010 at 4:44 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Please note I said ‘working’ class.

    Brits have a rather expanded and romanticized concept of “working classes”. Not necessarily so related to income. Anyone in a labour union for example, regardless of income.

    But yes, it’s the long term benefits class that I was saying not much tragedy if they don’t have children, or many at all. Perhaps also the very bottom of the working class, which yes works but irregularly, often problem drunk, or just too dim to ever get anywhere at all, rise at all. (Not talking about temporary or really bad luck reversals.)

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  149. on June 29, 2010 at 4:49 pm Gorbachev

    @sdaedalus

    That is so funny, you make yourself sound like Viagra Falls.

    Heh. The Irish are so good with words.

    I really like your use of the dot dot dot in your writing style, by the way, it builds the tension as we wait with bated breath for the next nugget of perestroikan wisdom.

    I’m filled to the brim with wisdom, among other thing.

    @Nicole

    Gorbachev, there is plenty of water too.
    You should view your sperm as an important natural resource. Nobody can make Gorbachev II without it.

    Hey. What do you know about Gorbachev II? Don’t scare me like that.

    sdaedalus
    @Nicole
    That is so funny, and of course like oil it is increasingly in demand and will run out in about 50 years or so unless (unlike oil) replenished or frozen.

    Hey. I plan to gush with good health for at least another 50 years, if not more. I’ve heard of those old folks’ homes. Should I land me in one, I intend to Alpha Up.

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  150. on June 29, 2010 at 4:50 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    And we have it skewed further with the ‘white underclass’ teenage mums.

    Why don’t you lot seriously reform your dole. It’s absurd. Why not institute time limits, as we did. With employment training and then placement required for all be the genuinely severely disabled, unable to do any kind of paid work.

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  151. on June 29, 2010 at 4:53 pm Doug1

    Lily.

    Especially with your gargantuan budget deficit now, 12%, much of which is structural and not merely Keynesian counter cyclical (recession stimulus). Courtesy of 12 years of Labour gov’t.

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  152. on June 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm Doug1

    yes our socialist president is a real problem too, but people are now losing their race messiah can’t be against him reverence at this stage.

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  153. on June 29, 2010 at 5:01 pm Doug1

    Capt Jack–

    That said, it’s [marriage] worth saving. But it’ll be saved when people, especially women, realise that It’s For Life.

    It’s be saved when it’s made fairer for men than it is now under divorce 2.0.

    Further marriage should be through the minority of children of the union. Particularly in this age when women can support themselves and at all levels w/in the workforce. If they haven’t prepared for doing a good enough job on that, that’s their fault these days.

    If they couple are compatible enough, then sure, let it be for a lifetime.

    That generally requires either 1) the husband being very far from alpha or having a low sex drive, which tend to be correlated; or 2) the wife having a high (and traditionally quite common) tolerance for her husband’s occasional discreet daliance, so long as he doesn’t neglect her.

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  154. on June 29, 2010 at 5:03 pm Charlie

    Well people like Roissy advise all men against settling down and having kids so is it any surprise that women are having a tough time getting married???

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  155. on June 29, 2010 at 5:07 pm anise

    Didn’t read much after the fantasy started about my man having an “advanced degree in domestic engineering” — that would be amazing. Even a Certificate would be a step up, a Bachelor’s ideal. Makes me horny just to think about it.

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  156. on June 29, 2010 at 5:08 pm Lily

    @sdaedalus
    LOL at Viagra Falls, brilliant.
    And I know what you mean about the eggs, I’m precious about them too. I did think about egg donation a whilst ago but couldn’t quite bring myself to it.

    @ Doug1
    Agreed on the prenups in England. It’s very annoying. When I get married again, I will definitely have some sort of agreement, even if it isn’t legally valid at the moment, it will help make sure we are on the same page.

    BTW in my divorce (though money is treated separately from the actual divorce), we didn’t distinguish money earnt before or during marriage, personally, I just wanted to keep inheritances out of it because although I have no biological children, I think family stuff, particularly property, should be kept in the family (so in the absence of bilogical children, I’d rather my nephews had any of my family money or property and my ex’s nephews his family’s).

    I am not sure if Brits on the whole have a romanticised concept of ‘working classes’, I think I probably do. In the olden days, cue films from the 40s, working class people had dignity and pride. These days too many of them don’t work and feel entitled to benefits. I’m not sure there are that many proper working class folks around, those that are, they probably call themselves (lower) middle class.

    Yes, you’re right that class and income aren’t related in England. That’s one of the many reasons I find the points out of 10 hard to take literally, it’s not so straightforward.

    You mentioned labour unions, Bob Crowe of the railway union has *no class*, he doesn’t deserve to be called working class, let alone anything else. Or do you mean just anyone in a union? I don’t think that’s true, lots of the upper middle class Tristans working at the BBC are in the National Union of Journalists, it certainly doesn’t change their class.

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  157. on June 29, 2010 at 5:14 pm Blessent mon coeur

    “society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready without compromising their careers.”

    Omitting the last clause for the moment, we get:
    “society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready”

    Support has been addressed above. So what does “support young women in having a family” mean in terms of who is to get the support? Does it mean support young women AND young men, or young women AND the men they choose, or something else? If so, why didn’t it say, “young men and women” or “young couples” or just “couples”?

    What is a family? What is “having a family”?

    The real idiocy, the real self-delusion is the willful glossing over of the idea of a union of male and female (you know, Human Reproduction and Morality 101).

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  158. on June 29, 2010 at 5:14 pm Zimmermann

    Women are really children in fairness, we are really deluding ourselves if we hope for any noble reasoning on their part. What do you expect to find upon your return to a home left to your 6 year olds to run for 2 weeks. As a trader I know the markets are efficient and a correction is inevitable which will blow off the froth, thereby making all clear for a wiseguy and his warchest.

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  159. on June 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm montzilla

    SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

    Thanks for the laugh!

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  160. on June 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm sdaedalus

    I think Blessent Mon Coeur has a point.

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  161. on June 29, 2010 at 5:20 pm Doug1

    Lily–

    Lily

    “Typical wrongheaded feminist advice. “Better supporting” young women to have a family is exactly what got them into this predicament in the first place.”

    Hmm, France has a higher birthrate than the UK, particularly in the middle classes but has always had much stronger support for working women and mothers generally. Though increasing in recent years

    So what. Little picture. The big picture is the utter mess feminism has wrought on Western societies.

    The UK, France and the US all had much higher birth rates before second wave feminism and the welfare state came along, hand in hand. Both due to the increasing universities and media imbibing of the cultural Marxist messages piece by piece of the New Left.

    It’s socially highly damaging for women to be able to look to the state for child rearing support, rather than having to pick and stay with, and reasonably please a well chosen provider husband, to supplement her own earning power and child rearing time and energy. Now if she can manage alpha tingles on top of that, bless.

    I’m sorry women should be having kids in their 20s. That’s far more important that high careers for women. Many can manage both. As Naomi above, and no doubt 3rd year London med student Bhetti (about to begin finals).

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  162. on June 29, 2010 at 5:24 pm Doug1

    Roissy disapproving quotes:

    And she added that society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready without compromising their careers.

    Why without compromising their careers?

    Because of ideological feminist grounded in cultural Marxism and never remotely scientifically proven (the opposite) blank slate equalism between the sexes (and everyone else and every other group). All crap.

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  163. on June 29, 2010 at 5:25 pm Doug1

    And why socialist support for their offspring, as opposed to them being strongly impelled by reality to find a provider male who will be loyal to her, esp. in the essentials.

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  164. on June 29, 2010 at 5:31 pm Lily

    @Doug1
    “I’m sorry women should be having kids in their 20s”
    No need to apologise. I agree with you.
    For various reasons, they aren’t.

    BTW I’m excluding my personal case here as it’s completely irrelevant in the greater picture and my personal reasons were highly personal.

    Though I disagree that the France/UK scenario is little picture, they are more institutionally supportive of middle class women having children and have been for quite a long time. The men are ready to settle down earlier too. Arguably, France has been more left wing during the 20th century than England but they have consistently had a higher birth rate amongst the middle classes.

    Oh and re welfare state in England, nu labour etc, you won’t find any arguments here.

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  165. on June 29, 2010 at 5:32 pm Lily

    @Doug1
    I have commented on class and England but it’s stuck in moderation.

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  166. on June 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm Mike

    Two words. Ron Paul.

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  167. on June 29, 2010 at 5:56 pm montzilla

    Lily wrote:

    I still don’t get why a married woman in the US in her thirties or forties with kids with a husband that was worth having would divorce him and carry the burden of childcare on her own.

    I know scores of men that this has happened to, too many to list here. The excuse usually goes something like: “I’m not in love anymore” or “He’s emotionally abusive” or “We’ve grown apart” The reality is that marriage and children have turned him into a Beta provider and this repulses her. Most women don’t even know it themselves and truly believe their own excuses.

    With modern marriage in the US, she’s free to divorce with no fault and will likely be rewarded with the house, a car and her ex paying child support that’s probably more than twice what it actually takes for the kid’s well being.

    Tehn she uses teh chlid support money for baby sittrs or Xboxes to occupy teh kids whjhle she gets asscokced bye bikers and drummers.lozzollzzollzzol.

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  168. on June 29, 2010 at 6:19 pm greatbooksformen

    Lily wrote:

    ” I still don’t get why a married woman in the US in her thirties or forties with kids with a husband that was worth having would divorce him and carry the burden of childcare on her own.”

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    i know so many womenz who have a home and children and husband but now they want to follow cosmo in their bernankified state and kill the famliy to go back to banging the biker cok cokc liots biker cockas lzozlzl

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  169. on June 29, 2010 at 6:21 pm Caligula

    Another blow to the lesbo-feminists by science – or “Why lesbians secretly crave the cock”

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/71046u37x082243x/?p=9dbb579939334c1ca8851d3b3270fd24&pi=7

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  170. on June 29, 2010 at 7:06 pm Grampa

    About older mothers and Down’s.

    Down’s is just the tip of the iceberg. It is one of the few chomosomal aneupoid accidents that is viable (supranumerary X, because only one X is active, or additional Y chromosomes because the Y has so little genetic information are also common) so we get to see the genetic accident born. Most such gross chomosomal problems die in utero.

    But, there are thousands of possible non-lethal mutations possible in aging eggs. A non-lethal mutation may give you an autistic kid, or dumb kid, or a kid with emotional problems, or short stature. God knows. Women who delay childbearing, (or dely freezing nice young eggs) just don’t understand.

    Sorta like young woman who tan or smoke cigarettes. They think because everybody is doing it, it must be all right. It ain’t.

    Ever wonder why cancer gets more common as you age? Just mutations accumulating in your DNA.

    Would you rather have the DNA of a 20 year old or a 70 year old? Who wants old DNA? That’s why old men are so despised by women. But, if women despise old men for their old DNA, why do they think that young men will not despise them for their own old DNA?

    Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.

    But, really folks. When you see stupidity, you should smile. Other people’s stupidity is your opportunity to prosper. And, believe me, there is plenty of opportunity out there.

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  171. on June 29, 2010 at 7:19 pm Cannon's Canon

    john harkes is the world cup’s tucker max.

    he was a peculiar omission from our national team’s side in 1998. turns out it was because he banged his teammate’s wife. harkes even wrote an autobiography to explicitly deny the affair.

    but it happened. espn has hired him to sully the delightful commentary of ian darke. whenever i hear harkes’ voice, i can’t help but think of his secretive butthexing of wynalda’s wife. he even wrote a book to promote his lies, just like tucker max.

    espn and, by proxy, disney, glorify this fiat-banking neocon butthexer. a fine product robert iger puts out there for us.

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  172. on June 29, 2010 at 7:37 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzlzlozzozo fiat money neocon butthexing buthhexers lzozlzllzzoz

    i luv how da world is beginning 2 talk like gbfm as reall y there is no other way to say it lozllllzlzozoz

    like suppose a chick asks you “hey whuddayah call a fiat money neocon butthexing buthhexers lzozlzllzzoz who tapes secvretive tpaings of assocking sessions with out the girlths conthent and has charlotte allen at the weekly standardth repeat your lies about your succeth (lost ten million on a 12 million moviesuck) and your lies about your heigaht (tucker max stood a on cushion to look six foot tall for his simon and shcister book published by priscialla painton as neocns charlotte allen and prisicplla painton are commanded to worship secrteiv tapoers of butthe x without the girlths ocnonthent as tucker max rhyems with goldman sax and they must glorify butthexual heroes so as to debauch true heroism of soldeiers dying in foreign fiat wars on far off shores while the unborn are sent to death fity million unborn setn 2 death by the noecon butthexing nmachine who sends our best 2 due in foreign lands whle debauching our culure and currency and borders and letting foreigners swarm in here lzozlzzllzzozl.

    the federal reserve used its fiat dollars to desoul women and conquer womenz lzozllzzlzllz and butthex them in secrive tapinsgs of asscocking sessions as the federal reserve, like the viking of long ago, know that in order to conquer a country one must kill the men and keep the womenz living as the ifat bankers and al gore bang thier whores lzozlzlzllzl and bankrupt the common hardworking man lzozlzllzlzlz inflating and defalting bubbles as there is no surer way to convert fiat debt into physical welath and property than by inflating and deflating mere bubbles lzozlzllzlzlzl as they redeifne conservatism as that which lauds butthexual heroes sceretive tapers of butthex without the girlths conthent published and promoted by womenz lzozlzllzlzl as left 2 thier own devices womenz will exalt butthexual heroes lzozlz

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  173. on June 29, 2010 at 7:51 pm Original JB

    “Well people like Roissy advise all men against settling down and having kids so is it any surprise that women are having a tough time getting married???”

    Yeah, it’s all Roissy’s fault men aren’t getting married. The fact that the contemporary legal and social construct of marriage is a raw deal for men has nothing to do with it.

    “It’s not that there will be a slow progression towards chaos. Once there are seriously not enough smart people to keep the machine called civilization running, all hell will break loose, and quickly.”

    Best case scenario: Kurzweil is right, technological progress outruns social calamity and we get best case scenario of augmented intelligence (via drugs, AI or genetic engineering) or a benign idiocracy where AIs adopt us as a pets. AIs aren’t very likely to be sentimental though.

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  174. on June 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm Original JB

    “editor: it only takes a few sycophantic vaj lickers to ruin it for the rest of us.”

    There’s a great social science dissertation in there somewhere: White Knighting, Woman’s Suffrage and the Fall of the US.

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  175. on June 29, 2010 at 8:13 pm R.J. Moore II

    “no one who matters and is sane contradicts democratic belief.”
    That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

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  176. on June 29, 2010 at 8:19 pm Dave

    @Doug1: I often see you advocating that its a man’s right to have a dalliance when older, but women should suffer obliteration for adultery, particularly during their reproductive years. Where exactly do these women for dalliances come from? Since reproduction of the sexes is roughly 50-50% I guess the women for dalliances will either be young women or come from the lower classes (or both), right? Oh, and the younger or lower class men should tolerate upper class men breaking in their women for them? These dalliances in many cases often unsuit young women for marriage, since the young males they are expected to marry after the dalliance compare unfavorably with established older men. Isn’t that effectively the system we have now, where young women (particularly high status young women) are following their hypergamous instincts and doing everything sexually during their peak fertility years except having babies, and where the sexuality of young women has become a commodity to be bid for by males? You need to think this through because younger women won’t agree to have dalliances with low status older men, so when you argue that older men (effectively high status men) should have the right to have dalliances the system that would result would be similar if not identical to the system we have now.

    Women are angry at men because feminized beta men did not fight back when the government usurped their rightful position as head of the household. Although women claim they want the current system where they are favored, would they really stick to this decision if the beta males showed some cajones and took on the status quo (and thereby acted more alpha)? Essentially women arranged a war between betas on the one hand and the government on the other and the beta males surrendered en masse. The betas failed a society-wide shit test. Feminism is essentially a shit test – women know they are acting like spoiled princesses but men won’t stand up to them so women and their demands only get worse. The whole point of this blog is that if you don’t act hv as a male and assume the leadership role a woman will eventually steal your pants from you. How can the status of men improve if we effectively fail to challenge the shit tests that women throw at us in the guise of law and legislation?

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  177. on June 29, 2010 at 8:22 pm greatbooksformen

    holy shit lzolzlllzz

    because the commerce clause is in teh constitutions and because neocon publishing homes porfit off of secretiev tapings of nbutthex withouyt the girlths contehnt and thus see secretive tapings of butthex without the girlths contehnt, it looks like the government could mandate forced secrtive tapings of butthex withhout the igirlsths contehnet for teh greater good of society lzozlzl

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  178. on June 29, 2010 at 8:37 pm z

    “And she added that society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready without compromising their careers.”

    May I translate this into concrete terms:

    Beta men, in Srilatha Gorthi’s opinion, should be made to pay for, through their tax dollars, contracetion, in vitro fertilization, and child-care for single-women’s children who get inseminated with alpha-male sperm at fertility clinics.

    In her opinion, women should not have to settle for men who will actually marry them, but should get the sperm of the men they desire the most. Then a beta male should be forced to be her kitchen bitch in exchance for through-the-motions sex about twice a month, as long as he is willing to put up with her having affairs and is willing to keep his mouth shut if she ever leaves him for someone else, and will have no access to the kids (who aren’t biologically his anway, but he has helped raise them), but will still be on the hook for child support, alimony, half of his retirement.

    Thats what Srilatha Gorthi means when she says “better support young women”.

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  179. on June 29, 2010 at 8:42 pm greatbooksformen

    hey fellas lzozlzlzl

    all you gotta do is calm down and realize

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    omg womenz womenz womenz
    the less you try
    the less thier pussies are dry lzozozlzozzl
    the less you try 2 get
    the mor ethier pussies are wet
    lzolzlzllllllzozl

    to ask a woman on a date is 2 be defeated as she aleread gave it up younger hotter tighter to many many beofre you to service her gina tingels and if you ask her on a date then she sees you as a beta who can only get laid by being nice to womenz lozlzlzl so instead take it from me wait until 10 pm when she is out to dinner with some beta and text her “lotsa cocka” and she will check her phone at dinner as they always do and her gina will tingle and the beta will go “what” and she will go “oh nothing my friend is sooo funny.” and then she will text you back lzozlzloz and you text her back “midnight ur place and b sure 2 get liquored up on the betadate’s dime as i’m runnin low on da fiat cash llozlzlzlz.”

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  180. on June 29, 2010 at 8:44 pm IN ALL OF MY GLORIOUS MISANTHROPIC EVIL

    I had a purple thought the other day about China buying our Treasury bills and why they are really doing it:

    Napolean said “never interrupt you enemy while he is making a mistake”.

    They are financing our destruction from within. They, or their professional ‘Party’ sociologists, surely see just how bad the supposed lone superpower is fucking up and where its headed. They are probably saying to themselves something like, “Jesus-titty-fucking-Christ……those idiots in America are ruining their own nation and that nation’s future ability to project force cultural, military, and especially economic! All they need is money to keep making the same mistakes for about five more decades and they’ll be ruined when we pull the rug out from under them. Yes! It worth us spending 10% of our GDP to help our adversary wreck itself and for us to become the world’s leading superpower. Yes! We are game, keep lending to the stupid-motherfucking-cocksuckers! Our grandchildren will rule them with a giant dildo-make-of-iron-shoved-deep-into-their-cellulite-infested-assholes-of-clay!”

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  181. on June 29, 2010 at 8:45 pm Dave

    @Z: If female supremacy over beta males is the apparent object of feminism, and beta males do not join the fight, don’t betas deserve their fate? Men are supposed to contend – men who do not contend will have no say in the shaping of their reality.

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  182. on June 29, 2010 at 8:51 pm z

    Great Books For Men has made me laugh harder than anyone on the net. Even the Onion when they hit the mark. Hysterical.

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  183. on June 29, 2010 at 8:52 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^

    roissy may well be the first alpha to start the fight and stand up for somethng higher than secrteive tpaings of asscipockcing sessions lzozlzllz

    see roissy is the han solo character like he kinda is a renegade and in it for himslef and all but then at the end when darth vader (ben bernanke) is closing in on luke skywalker (GBFM) and luke has no chance, all of a sudden roissy appears with the star wars music in his millenium falcum and shoots at ben bernankes tie-fighter which in this case would be a helicopter lzozolzzl closing in on luke’s x wing lzozlzlozzllz and roissy is the character who says he is not going, but then goes, as oppoes to the charatcers who say they are going but do not go lzozlzl jesus talks about this lzzllzlzlzll

    see whart roissy does is he serves teh truth and the truth sets us free an d alot of betas have been taught to hate on truth and worship the coproate stae by their single moms who told them that the fiat dollar and ben bernke are thier true father which is how the neoocns want it lzozlzlzlzllz

    you guys need to see the matrix 4 what it si and fined your true sfathers lozlzlzl

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/lozzloozozzl-this-is-what-i-see-when-i-listen-to-chix-these-days-lzozllzlzlzl/

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  184. on June 29, 2010 at 8:53 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^ what i am saying is that roissy is better and more moral than he knows which is quite an endearing character trait lzozlzlzl

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  185. on June 29, 2010 at 8:58 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozlzl every week i share with you guys the leading search terms leaidng 2 my blog lzozllzlz

    Top Searches:

    greatbooksformen, great books for men, fiat butthex, bernankified, the rule in braveheart about the lord having first, secretive tapings of butthex

    looks like i am pwning google on invaluable search terms lzozlzlzlz

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  186. on June 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm Welmer

    I don’t know what’s worse: being relegated to the role of sperm donor/inseminator or being used to provide for another man’s kids.

    I can only speak for the former, because it seems that women are perfectly willing to have me inseminate them, but they have this tendency to take the kid/s and then run off to some dumb beta chump.

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  187. on June 29, 2010 at 9:00 pm eyestones

    Belgium, eh?
    It figures. I have a Belgium-dwelling ex, hyper-intellectual, beta-partnered, early 40s childless etc.

    A footnote in a book she published recently inadvertently revealed her true desire: (minimal interpretation required)
    To be kidnapped by Hezbollah, and fall madly, secretly in love with her captor and serve his cause.

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  188. on June 29, 2010 at 9:05 pm Nicole

    Dave, I’m not sure you quite understand the gravity of the problem.

    Beta males are *incapable* of going against the status quo, and as things are now, most alphas are unwilling.

    So the status quo has to be changed so that betas will behave constructively.

    In order to do that, some alphas have to get into positions of cultural and political leadership, who are willing to change the status quo. They have to be philanthropic enough to give up their current advantage in order to preserve civilization.

    Good luck finding any. Most who even care at all become so misanthropic that they “sigma”, or suppress their caring to a non fanatical level, and don’t get into politics.

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  189. on June 29, 2010 at 9:07 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^

    “So the status quo has to be changed so that betas will behave constructively.”

    yah nicole true true true dat and i have a hunch it will change as the bernanke cash value dives down to zero and they run out of money 2 train divorce lwayers to destroy the family and transfer assets to ebrnanke goldman sachs lzozlzl and debt on down to the common man ,zzozolzlzl

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  190. on June 29, 2010 at 9:10 pm Dave

    An oldy but goody from (I think) GBFM: The childless late-30s PhD or JD (or well-educated party girl) folding her diplomas into origami babies as she contemplates her ultimate failure as a woman.

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  191. on June 29, 2010 at 9:18 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^
    lzozlzlzozozllz

    yah as a guy i do not care

    1) how many degrees you have
    2) how many mba parties you got assscocked at
    3) how many great books you deocnstructed (great books are my best firedns you crazy bitch so don;t even go there or instead i’ll cum in your rommates hair instead of yours lzozllzl)
    4) how much money you made for bernanke
    5) how many decent guys you turned down
    6) how many texts you answered for midnight asscocking sessions
    7) how many subprime loans you sold while wearing short skirts
    8) how many men you deconstructed in class as beranke’s ward of the state feminsit professor lorded over it all lzozlzl
    9) how many cocks you have tocuhed felt seen tasted lzozlzllzllz even if mine was #2 #45 and #89 ooooh gross i never like being anything beyond 20 unless i am wearing 3 condoms and dip it my cock in kerosense and light it on fire after banging you to burn the chlymidea off my cock
    10) how many times you banged to rap songs degraidng womenz lzozlzllzlzlz as why do women always dance laugh and sing and turn up rap songs that talk about likcing their crack and calling tehm bithces and hoes? lzozlzlzl

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  192. on June 29, 2010 at 9:24 pm Mary Jane

    From a scientific standpoint fertility is individual specific.

    Some loose slutty woman who drinks and smokes to excess will have a different level of fertility from a smart pure girl who cares about her chastity and health.

    Also those with superior genes (longer than norm telomeres) appear to age slower and have fertility longer.

    Based on the fact that people who look young for their age have longer telomeres, it makes sense that 45 year old hottie Monica Bellucci fits the bill of women having kids naturally in their 40s
    (she just had her 2nd kid at 45 and looks amazingly young)

    This site can be entertaining from a political viewpoint and at looking into the mating habits of denizens in DC, but it enters the realm of the absurd to be castigating women who are merely human and long for children.

    I could write a post on how men are selfish for waiting to be Dads until they’re in their 40s.

    I mean studies do show that the rate of having a child with autism or a severe mental illness goes up dramatically . (And it doesn’t matter if the Mother is much younger)

    Sperm plays a much more important role that a lot of people realize.

    So ideally it would be awesome if everyone who wanted kids found their special smoochie woochie between 23-29.

    But life isn’t simple and I think it’s better to find the best possible mate than get married just to have kids.

    I look back and shudder to think of the man I could have married in my early 20s. Super Alpha in all the wrong ways.
    Instead I will work to preserve the blessings I have and hope I am still fertile when I settle down with Mr. Right.
    Also instead of banking eggs, women should get the ovarian reserves measured.
    I did a few years ago and mine were very very high.
    That’s a nicer and cheaper peace of mind than the involved process of freezing eggs.

    And if Heaven forbid my ova are over being ripe, there are always donor eggs and using a future husband’s sperm to conceive.

    Unlike most chicks, I don’t focus on replicating myself, I’m more interested in having a bond that is definitely related to my husband.
    Again, the sperm contributes a lot more to human life that the average layperson is aware.

    But then again my Mother had me at 39 and my Grandmother gave birth to my Mom at 44 so I’m not unduly concerned about my fertility just yet.

    Done my diatribe, PAX

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  193. on June 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm Dave

    @Nicole – It all depends on whether beta men think the current situation is fine and dandy. If so, heck, they just need to get used to their “kitchen bitch” position (thanks z for that one – I hadn’t heard it before) where their “apron” is a turned backwards baseball cap, a team jersey with some other man’s name on it and athletic shoes that are worn to do everything except something athletic. There are historical precedents for the plight of beta males see, for example:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Sabine_Women

    It’s hard work to build a civilization, but men have been up to the challenge in the past.

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  194. on June 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm anoukange

    SD-

    “Today’s example was a funny one but I get followed home by men in the street sometimes, I guess all women do. I always felt quite threatened by it, now I read PUA blogs I guess it is ‘day game’,…”

    –ah, hahaha!

    Doug-

    They were “less” alphas in the sense that they were true to me. But I had to beat the ladies off with a stick with the musician. We traveled the US with the band, which was very cool– and chicks dig on tall guys with longish hair that play bass and guitar. He was also wicked funny (born on the same day as David Letterman to give you an idea of his type of humor…dry, sarcastic, was a raging republican, father was an FBI agent) and outgoing. I have covered both– (high) betas and (low) alphas. The only difference between a ‘high’ alpha and a ‘lower’ alpha is one can keep his dick in his pants and has the capacity to remain faithful to one gal for at least five years and any “opening up” of the relationship is discussed and agreed upon like adults who actually care for each other. As for the somewhat narrow example of “high” alphas around these parts…so what they can cheat? So can I. It doesn’t mean I do.

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  195. on June 29, 2010 at 9:36 pm gramercy

    I was recently LJBFed and then discarded by a 39-year old woman for being too much of a beta niceguy after functioning as her confidante for three months (I did make some attempts at physicality during this time but it was too little too late). This woman has slutted it up for all kinds of douchebags in the past and still throws herself readily at the nearest alpha male, except now in her older and wiser state she is looking for “commitment” rather than a quick fuck. She just had a nice, intelligent, reasonably good-looking, financially secure guy whose company she enjoyed doting on her for months but preferred to throw that away and continue looking for an Alpha Prince Charming – at 39! There is a cautionary tale here (albeit one few Roissy readers need to hear).

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  196. on June 29, 2010 at 9:44 pm Nicole

    Dave, even in that instance, it took the leaders to make it happen in a way that would actually work.

    The men had to be organized, and the abductees had to be persuaded to become Roman, and not enemies in their midst.

    In the current system, men would have to be persuaded to abandon their fears of punishment for behaving like men, and women would have to understand that the benefit of being with a real man is having free sons.

    They would also have to be prepared, like the Romans, for the inevitable wars with the butthurt manginas.

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  197. on June 29, 2010 at 9:48 pm Dave

    OT: Can you include an image in a blog reply? I’m trying
    [img src=”http image address” width=400] (with the brackets replaced with) and it won’t work

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  198. on June 29, 2010 at 9:54 pm Thor

    @editor
    “On a side note, how would you feel if you were the
    “man” in a relationship with one of these cunts who was letting you know in no uncertain terms that she’s putting off childbearing because she doesn’t believe you are worthy of inseminating her?”

    More likely, the “man” in the relationship does not want children, at least not with this paramour. There are lots of reasons for this, among which the way Western society makes men into ATMs with very few rights.

    @sidewinder
    (On paglia etc).

    Actually, it is the other way round. Socialism, welfare state
    etc make individual men financially dispensable, and women find them less sexy because of that. And, as to Paglia, the problem is lots deeper than she and most people want to believe. Biologically, both men and women should start procreating no later than in their late teens, whereas society has grown so complicated that people at that age are not typically ready to earn a living.

    @Lily
    “I’ve been thinking about this more and I would rather have my tax money spent on supporting professional women having children younger than lots of other things, particularly instead of say supporting teenagers/young women who have children for welfare and a free council

    flat in the UK. It is ironic that the people who are least likely to afford children or give them a good upbringing are the ones who are having the most children.”

    What a refreshing thought! But you can no longer say “Eugenics” without getting tarred and feathered. Ask Keith Joseph (a UK minister who missed being PM because he expressed himself, back in the 70s).

    @dalrock
    “Take Down Syndrome for example. At age 25 the risk is 1/1100 live births. By age 35 this has risen to 1/350. By age 40 it is up to 1/100, and by age 45 it is up to 1/25.”

    There is something very squirmy about Down’s statistics. For one thing, older women who are recently married have about the same stats as much younger women. One (of several) theories is about “stale” eggs or “stale” sperm, counting from not the parent’s birth but from release from the gonad. Frequent intercourse seems to bring down the risk of Down’s.

    @jb
    “Freedom without personal responsibility is an unsustainable trend. At some point you either lose the freedom, your standard of living or the safety net you count on. We’re probably going to lose the second.”

    It looks more like we are losing all three, albeit gradually.

    @Gorbachev
    “And what’s with the visceral resentment of democracy? Are there closet monarchists about?”

    Democracies, sadly, are crushing under their own weight. Once enough people vote themselves a living (including govt non-jobs), the system passes an event horizon, and govt spending will explode. There is no plausible fix without first having a crash and a major reset. Watch Greece. We need a qualifier to vote, either a Starship Troopers-style only veterans can vote, or a system
    of no representation without (net) taxation, or something similar.

    @BDS
    “Why isn’t there a call for responsible libertarianism on the front end, where the market effectively determines the price of the externalities risky for-private-profit operations entail, and give investors the opportunity to privatize them? ”

    How would you implement this? Give examples!

    @Joseph
    “I propose a grand experiment. We divide the land into two equal halves ( or just have a 3 year old draw a line down the middle, it doesn’t matter). Conservatives take one side and Liberals on the other. See where you want to live in 50 years if no one is allowed to cross from one side to the other.”

    No, crossing should be allowed, at least initially, and probably at any time. A slightly more realistic experiment:

    Abolish all FEDERAL welfare etc and leave it up to the states. Let it sort itself out. Do it as a thought experiment first! What do you think would happen? Anybody???

    @Lily
    “Sure, of course under Islam he has to keep *all* of them living to the same standards at his expense.”

    Laughable. Considering how low this standard usually is,
    unless of course the dude is filthy rich – those are the
    ones you get to see in the media.

    Thor

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  199. on June 29, 2010 at 9:59 pm z

    Dave
    @Z: If female supremacy over beta males is the apparent object of feminism, and beta males do not join the fight, don’t betas deserve their fate? Men are supposed to contend – men who do not contend will have no say in the shaping of their reality.

    I think you have a great point Dave.

    The stats tell us that women sauteed with feminism in college have less children and are much more prone to go childless. Over 30% of women with masters degrees and beyond are childless who are past childbrearing age:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OqiKkTj5eBg/TCWlKOsWiAI/AAAAAAAABBA/g3GpVDLF_30/s1600/educ.bmp

    That graph is an eye-opener. In many ways that graph tells me betas have indeed joined the fight. The most feminized generation of women in history is a demographic dud. It didnt replicate itself at all. Surely young women will see this, and not “want to go there”.

    If I had to propose what would be most effective for men to do it would be this: financially support a father’s rights organization in their state once a year (1) (need to get around to that myself)
    2)Look for marriage amongst church-going or traditional-minded women, and only use bar-girls for sex while looking for the former.
    3)Dont date feminist females. After finding out a chick is a feminst, a man should mentally put her on the sex-only list while he still searches out a marriage-safe option.
    4)Have conversations with the women in one’s own family clarifying one’s positions (This has caused a bit of static in my own family)
    5)If a young man is still in college, he ought to drop courses taught by ostensibly anti-male professors and email the dean and explain exactly why he dropped the course
    6)Make your positions known to your male friends (they all agree with me……I dont have even one male feminist friend, and I have both Democratic and Republican friends. They all think the present situation is screwed up).
    7)Never get a feminist pregnant. Always use a rubber or pull out with a feminist.
    8) Support balanced budgets, non-traditional education (taking money away from the Gramascians), small government, limited transfer payments with requirements, opposition to unecessary military adventures we can no longer afford, an end to outsourcing, lower tax rates. All of the aforementioned buttress feminism, even if in only tangential ways: the military occupations literally spread it around the world as we seek to impose it everywhere we occupy.
    9)Email representatives (Ive done that several times)

    Those would be things I think the average guy could do without spending an inordinate amount of time on the matter. To be honest, I think number 4 might be the very most effective, followed by 7 and 2. We might have a smaller generation or two, but the cultural leftists who support a matriarchy will not be replicating themselves if current trends continue much longer. There certainly aren’t as many of them as their once was back in the 80’s, but they have ascended up the ladder into positions of authority so they command legislative influence dramatically beyond their numbers. The media provided propaganda-cover and allow them to act in an environment seemingly accepting of their dictates, but conversationally it certainly doens’t seem to be the case (not out here anyway, thats probably different in coastal metropolises).

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  200. on June 29, 2010 at 10:05 pm Mr. C

    Even the most intelligent and astute woman is still capable of being stupid enough to make dumb choices based on the values she has willingly adopted from the media and marketeers.

    Her ovaries don’t care how great her career is , how much money she is earning, how many material possessions she has acumulated and how great her social circle is.

    What few women realise is that as far as their “fertility clock” goes they are at least 5 and more likely 10 years ahead of men in reaching the point where having kids is largely beyond them and the gap increases the older they get.

    A 25 year old woman is the equivalent of a 30 year old man.

    A 30 year old woman is the equivalent of a 35-40 year old man.

    A 35 year old woman is the equivalent of a 40-45 year old man.

    A 40 year old woman is the equivalent of a 50 year old man.

    A 45 year old woman is the equivalent of a 60 year old man.

    You can’t argue with Biology.

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  201. on June 29, 2010 at 10:12 pm grerp

    Get enough civilization into a society and people start worrying about freezing their eggs before it’s too late instead of, like less evolved societies, having babies when they result from, uh, sex.

    I’d never thought about egg theft until sdaedalus mentioned it, but really once your egg is out of you, how are you supposed to know it’s yours? It’s too tiny to write your name on it. And plenty of stuff gets lost in the the back of my freezer.

    Frozen eggs, frozen embryos. That is just a built-in rationalization for the results of future bad parenting. [Whispered] “She never was right, you know. She was frozen.”

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  202. on June 29, 2010 at 10:15 pm Doug1

    Lily,

    As further background where i’m coming from one 50/50, i’ve never lived with a girl who’s made anywhere near half of what I have. and that’s not because I’ve lived w/any diner waitresses. Professional girls, younger in their careers, but none of them every likely to come close.

    This is not uncommon. Well it is, I guess, but among really high income couples, this division is usual, not rare.

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  203. on June 29, 2010 at 10:17 pm chic noir

    chic noir throws meat to the vultures

    http://www.maxim.com/humor/articles/83875/7-stages-being-fat.html

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  204. on June 29, 2010 at 10:18 pm grerp

    IVF is a terribly complicated procedure too. It’s not like you can just whip those puppies out of the freezer and throw them on the barbie.

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  205. on June 29, 2010 at 10:24 pm Doug1

    Lily, i have very mild dyslexia, so please excuse. If i don’t edit after a bit of a wait (in my work an assistant cleans up my writings, with my final review and re-editing if important enough). I make lots of stupid little mistakes that I well see after. Partly fast typing, no time, party my very mild dyslexia. Which hasn’t kept me from having great university and career success. And super high SAT’s, etc. Please excuse. Though I’ll admit, if I took more time, i could clean all by my lonesome.

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  206. on June 29, 2010 at 10:27 pm Riddick

    Barack Obama is small-minded shitnigger.

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  207. on June 29, 2010 at 10:33 pm dalrock

    @Z

    That graph is an eye-opener. In many ways that graph tells me betas have indeed joined the fight.

    Nope. All that graph shows is that even betas can’t stand a feminist.

    MGTOW bluster aside, the vast majority of men still marry. Nearly half of all men marry in their twenties, and over 70% have married by the time they are 35 (80% by age 40).

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  208. on June 29, 2010 at 10:44 pm thirsty

    Don’t matter any more. Soon as ‘civilization’ runs out of cheap gasoline and easy money it’s all over but the crying. I reckon with oil production set to take a header off the highboard and credit following right behind the whole shooting match is over by the end of this decade. When the USSR collapsed a guy who had running hot water got all the tail he could handle, enough electricity to run a curling iron = priceless. Can’t bend the iron laws of economics any more than you can bend the laws of nature. It is evident that this new greater depression will enforce an austerity upon the deluded western hemisphere that will see many of the new ‘isms’ smashed like the brittle little frauds that they are. We’re not even out of 1931 yet, by the time this is over people will be mightily humbled and women are going to get a hard and long lesson from the school of hardknocks. The ones that fall in line quick and figure it out early won’t end up in the souplines….or worse. Depressions are immensely karmic in nature, for some it will almost seem like an inverse shit-test, most of these modern day harpies won’t last five minutes. Prudence and prodcution will be the only game in town.

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  209. on June 29, 2010 at 10:50 pm chic noir

    Doug1

    Lily, i have very mild dyslexia, so please excuse. If i don’t edit after a bit of a wait (in my work an assistant cleans up my writings, with my final review and re-editing if important enough). I make lots of stupid little mistakes that I well see after. Partly fast typing, no time, party my very mild dyslexia. Which hasn’t kept me from having great university and career success. And super high SAT’s, etc. Please excuse. Though I’ll admit, if I took more time, i could clean all by my lonesome.

    yup, my issue too.

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  210. on June 29, 2010 at 11:13 pm Tim

    @blackchic,

    the seven stages of fat is funny. I had a good laff. thx

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  211. on June 29, 2010 at 11:13 pm Anonymous

    Womanspeak for Married Men:

    You’re “oblivious” = Can’t seek milk in
    the fridge.

    “Oblivious” (multiply) = She’s fucked
    another guy.

    “It was a mistake.” = Your best friend,
    anal, in your bed.

    “I’m not happy.” = Regularly fucking
    another guy.

    “I need space.” = Wants her own place
    (that you pay for)
    to openly fuck
    single/married men
    like she’s single.

    “I’m confused.” = Likes fucking him
    (or more) while
    you support her.

    “I want a divorce.” = Wants to take all
    your money/kids
    to add to those
    of the next guy
    she’s found.

    So: Don’t get married!

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  212. on June 29, 2010 at 11:30 pm Dave

    Not so quick on the doom and gloom energy scenarios – thorium-fueled reactors may be the answer to US energy independence – and guess who has the second-greatest level of thorium reserves

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html
    http://environment.change.org/blog/view/thorium_nuclear_energys_clean_little_secret
    http://market-ticker.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=nuclear&serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=%3E

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  213. on June 29, 2010 at 11:34 pm TG

    @Lily

    But I do think an important factor is how able a woman feels to have children in her twenties without messing up her career prospects or being completely dependent on a man

    What is wrong with being completely dependent on a man? My grandmother and great grand mother before that……WERE COMPLETELY dependent on men to take care of them…….no they didn’t go on Sex in the City style shopping sprees or chase alpha males uncontrollably…but they made DAMN sure their offspring lived in a two parent house hold…more than I can say for most “Professional Women”

    Women have no f’n clue how hard it is on men to grow up with no father….nor do they care….

    Oh yea and with regard to career prospects for women….most women aren’t exactly saving the world in many of the roles they play in corporate america….give me a break…

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  214. on June 29, 2010 at 11:43 pm Original JB

    “@jb
    “Freedom without personal responsibility is an unsustainable trend. At some point you either lose the freedom, your standard of living or the safety net you count on. We’re probably going to lose the second.”

    It looks more like we are losing all three, albeit gradually.”

    It does, but the second is the hardest to reverse. You can get the right people elected, get good federal judges, etc. and reverse the first. And there are too many votes to be farmed and too many bleeding hearts for the second to disappear. So they’ll say, sorry, better pay up or we’ll have riots. And the suckers will likely pay up.

    “Don’t matter any more. Soon as ‘civilization’ runs out of cheap gasoline and easy money it’s all over but the crying. ”

    Nah, peak oil’s overblown. There’s enough shale gas to last until nuclear fusion comes online in 20 or 25 years. The biggest threats are cultural and political, not resource issues.

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  215. on June 29, 2010 at 11:44 pm Original JB

    “for the second to disappear.”

    that should read “third”

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  216. on June 30, 2010 at 12:28 am Dave

    Whiteknighting as viewed by an aboriginal “natural” man:

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  217. on June 30, 2010 at 12:29 am J

    @ Gorbachev/Dalrock

    I just answered your post to me in response to my post to Dalrock. It’s at http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/staying-one-step-ahead-of-suspicious-women/#comment-182897.

    Better late than never. There are three different posts; some may still be in moderation.

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  218. on June 30, 2010 at 12:37 am thirsty

    “Nah, peak oil’s overblown. There’s enough shale gas to last until nuclear fusion comes online in 20 or 25 years. The biggest threats are cultural and political, not resource issues.”

    Shale gas is a fraud, it’s got a miserable EROEI and most of the biggest players are losing their asses at five bucks. Most of them will lose their asses at ten bucks and fifteen too, and on and on. Thorium is funny, certainly doesn’t solve the liquid fuels crisis and I don’t see many banks willing to lend into a regulatory enviroment that is hampering normal nuclear powerplant construction as it is. Could it happen? Sure, I think it is fitting that the first plant will come online far, far away from the western hemisphere.

    An era of resource constraints will be the biggest threat to culture and politics. It was an era of ever expanding resource production coupled with the fiat ponzi scheme system that allowed for the social engineering and feminist bullshit to get this far to begin with. That’s over with, finding ways to fill a missing million barrels a day per year in the real world economy is now, not twenty five years in the future. Minute you don’t grow is the minute you quit paying your bills, about five seconds later you are insolvent. You can’t print barrels of oil and every ‘solution’ I have read involves massive amounts of soon to be non-exsistent credit/subsidy and/or just simply does not scale.

    Germany has been talking about this for over a decade. Don’t see them building any nuke plants, thorium or otherwise. Seems their solution is to keep on building kick ass shit that other countries might want to trade for oil, like Russia where Germany’s last chancellor works for Gazprom. Or how about China? Dropping mad dollars on long term contracts to secure future supply. I could go on but that would bore most of you. Most anglo-americans can’t see a fiscal quarter past their own nose. Besides an era of resource constraints it’s our own hubris that is our biggest threat.

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  219. on June 30, 2010 at 12:38 am J

    @ PA

    “Forty three is no age to be carrying a 20-lb child for half an hour several times a day after feeding, then running around after him so he doesn’t fall once he starts walking… and a million other things a forty-something woman will have NO ENERGY for on a sustained basis.”

    Actually, give or take a few years, I did that. It wasn’t a problem.

    It’s the teen years that are taxing. Thank God they save most of their BS for Daddy. 😉

    On the plus side, older parents are often wiser, so it sort of evens out. It would however would have been nice to have gotten an earlier start and have had a few more kids.

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  220. on June 30, 2010 at 12:43 am Ronin

    thirsty

    “I could go on but that would bore most of you.”

    Fuck em, thirsty. Preach.

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  221. on June 30, 2010 at 12:51 am J

    @ Dalrock

    “While the trend is troubling, I think the scope is being overstated. ”

    Right you are!

    “Take Down Syndrome for example. At age 25 the risk is 1/1100 live births…by age 45 it is up to 1/25.”

    Which is still only 4%–an astronomical increase over the risk at 25, but still an acceptable risk for a woman who wants a child and hasn’t been able to have one.

    As a point of interest, I know loads of women who gave birth after 35 to gifted kids because they and their husbands were gifted and well-educated with well-established careers–you know, the sort of people who delay having kids.

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  222. on June 30, 2010 at 1:10 am Rum

    Big insiders in the industry are making long bets on oil production development even if a lot of traders are not. That tells you something.
    But these same bigtime oil guys will get a raging hardon while talking about Th reactors. They want to invest in it. If the lights start flickering, Th develpment might get fast tracked because it really is safe.
    The realities of the energy market drove or at least made possible most of the big historical outcomes of the last century and will in this as well.

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  223. on June 30, 2010 at 1:19 am Z

    That graph is an eye-opener. In many ways that graph tells me betas have indeed joined the fight.

    Nope. All that graph shows is that even betas can’t stand a feminist.

    MGTOW bluster aside, the vast majority of men still marry. Nearly half of all men marry in their twenties, and over 70% have married by the time they are 35 (80% by age 40).

    the please explain the marriage strike and the graphs that indicate otherwise, sorry I dont buy what you’re shovelling

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  224. on June 30, 2010 at 1:24 am ahappinessexperiment

    Rum, what does it mean to make long bets on “oil production development”. you mean buying the service companies?

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  225. on June 30, 2010 at 1:45 am Max

    “society needs to better support young women in having a family when they are ready without compromising their careers.”

    Remove Aged pensions and people have to have lots of kids to look after them when there old.

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  226. on June 30, 2010 at 1:45 am Rum

    I mean, for example, that every off deep water shore drilling rig available has lots of companies eager to lease it.
    This is the backstory to the current Gulf Mother-of-all Oil-leaks Saga. BP was in a hurry to finish up the well because another company had claim on the rigs services.

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  227. on June 30, 2010 at 1:47 am Rum

    every other deep water…

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  228. on June 30, 2010 at 1:55 am Original JB

    “Shale gas is a fraud, it’s got a miserable EROEI and most of the biggest players are losing their asses at five bucks.”

    I was convinced by this:

    http://tinyurl.com/2ao9trb

    “Thorium is funny, certainly doesn’t solve the liquid fuels crisis and I don’t see many banks willing to lend into a regulatory enviroment that is hampering normal nuclear powerplant construction as it is. ”

    I was talking 20 to 25 years and fusion, not current prospects for new thorium reactors.

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  229. on June 30, 2010 at 2:39 am Mr. C

    Both men and women should have a read of this.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201003/the-expectations-trap

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  230. on June 30, 2010 at 3:22 am Mary Jane

    Ovarian transplantation restores fertility to old mice and also lengthens their lives
    Published: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 – 08:23 in Health & Medicine

    Rome, Italy: Scientists have discovered that when they transplant ovaries from young mice into aging female mice, not only does the procedure make the mice fertile again, but also it rejuvenates their behaviour and increases their lifespan.

    The question now is: could ovarian transplants in women have the same effect? Dr Noriko Kagawa will tell the 26th annual meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology in Rome today (Tuesday) that successful ovarian transplants increased the lifespan of the mice by more than 40%.

    “At present ovarian transplants are performed with the aim of preserving a woman’s fertility after cancer treatment for instance, or of extending her reproductive lifespan. However, the completely unexpected extra benefit of fertility-preserving procedures in our mouse studies indicates that there is a possibility that carrying out similar procedures in women could lengthen their lifespans in general,” she said.

    >>>

    🙂

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  231. on June 30, 2010 at 3:53 am Tyrone

    @Paul:

    It ain’t just Schopenhauer who said woman are children. Nietzche did, as well as Aristotle. Aristotle called them somewhere between men and children. That was the general attitude about them among most societies in the Ancient world. I personally think this is most accurate. Any society that indulges them too much becomes weak and decadent over time. Prosperity seems to be the common cause for seeking to indulge women. Most likely because men become soft themselves and begin to seek womanly comforts and pleasures as well.

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  232. on June 30, 2010 at 3:56 am z

    Dave,

    I enjoyed reading the info about Thorium. Our media doesn’t do a good job of keeping us infomed. After reading this link you highlighted in particular, http://market-ticker.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=nuclear&serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=%3E
    ………Im all for it. We are the Saudi Arabia of coal, and if thorium is in coal, and we can make gasoline out of the leftover componets of coal, why aren’t we doing this yesterday?

    Our current elites simply cannot pass up a bad choice for this nation. Its incredible.

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  233. on June 30, 2010 at 4:06 am Tyrone

    @anise
    Didn’t read much after the fantasy started about my man having an “advanced degree in domestic engineering” — that would be amazing. Even a Certificate would be a step up, a Bachelor’s ideal. Makes me horny just to think about it.

    But you would just let him do the housework and go fuck some other guy who got you hot instead. Your husband just gets to be your chump.

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  234. on June 30, 2010 at 4:58 am Jerry

    Here is why smart men are simply avoiding getting anyone pregnant, especially with California’s intensely anti-male laws:

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/28/mel-gibson-oksana-grigorieva-custody-fight-spousal-support-mediation-child/

    Mel Gibson simply got a young Russian woman residing in California pregnant and now he is supposed to pay “child support” of more than $10,000 per month plus a house? WTF?

    This is like reading a horror fiction novel about some future society that totally hates men.

    Has anyone on the PUA/MRA side of the fence tried to get Mel Gibson to help start a foundation to stop this nonsense by hiring lobbyists for “our cause”?

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  235. on June 30, 2010 at 5:12 am Jerry

    @Z

    Your point by point strategy for creating a more male-friendly world was priceless.

    Please post more often, comment on lots of blogs and open accounts on social media and follow tons of libertarians and conservatives (they tend to follow back – especially conservative women who are relearning now that they are supposed to hate feminists despite Sarah Palin not being trustworthy on that score).

    Check out http://www.twitter.com/veteransabroad

    Also http://www.twitter.com/mensrightsblogs
    http://www.twitter.com/mensnewsdaily
    http://www.twitter.com/mensnews
    http://www.twitter.com/eagleforuminfo

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  236. on June 30, 2010 at 5:20 am Jerry

    Texas has a law that the most any man should have to pay in child support for *any* number of offspring is a cap of $1000 per month.

    A really rich basketball player was sued by a Texas woman for more child support than the $333 per month he was paying.

    The Texas court ruled that he already had 2 other offspring in Texas with other women and it was only fair that the other 2 women got the $667 representing the rest of his $1000 required maximum monthly payment (cap).

    He was off the hook as far as his being rich was concerned.

    This attitude needs to go national. I still think it is rotten that a man should have to pay $1000 per month for getting one woman in Texas pregnant, but the cap and the attitude that it doesn’t matter how much the man’s income is is something that is sorely needed in every US state.

    A man with one child is safe to continue having sex in Texas.

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  237. on June 30, 2010 at 5:45 am JB

    AHE: “no. the decline of the west started when men were given the right to vote.”
    Roissy: Incorrect

    For once, AHE is right and Roissy is wrong.

    The American experiment was certainly dead by the Civil War, and women were not voting then.

    Women’s suffrage merely accelerated the decline.

    [editor: incorrect. see the link i provided above. women actively vote for a bigger nannier state than do men. suffrage has had a real impact on the shape of the nation.]

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  238. on June 30, 2010 at 6:34 am Xontrarian

    Here’s something from a woman who claims that at 30 realized she’d been riding the cock carousel, and that it was time to get off:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/06/my-year-without-sex/58592/

    I would imagine that young hotties would look at her and figure she’s just old, tired and ugly now, and not able to attract the alphas. She’s just bitter.

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  239. on June 30, 2010 at 7:16 am Lily

    @Doug
    No probs, I hadn’t noticed anything with the writing, then again I was posting on here with a glass of red wine in my hand 🙂

    I just want to clarify that I’m not a supporter of 50/50 divorces as a general rule, percentage splits should be linked to what each partner put in.

    @TG
    There’s a difference between being in a partnership with your husband and betting your whole financial future on him rather than yourself. Your grandma/sex and the city example is too extreme, it is unwise in this day age and age for a woman at say 26 to give up her earning potential. I hope you’re not advocating that a woman’s main financial option at say age 45 would be divorce theft.

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  240. on June 30, 2010 at 7:24 am Thor

    @Thirsty
    “An era of resource constraints will be the biggest threat to culture and politics. It was an era of ever expanding resource production coupled with the fiat ponzi scheme system that allowed for the social engineering and feminist bullshit to get this far to begin with. That’s over with, finding ways to fill a missing million barrels a day per year in the real world economy is now, not twenty five years in the future. Minute you don’t grow is the minute you quit paying your bills, about five seconds later you are insolvent. You can’t print barrels of oil and every ‘solution’ I have read involves massive amounts of soon to be non-exsistent credit/subsidy and/or just simply does not scale.”

    Yes and no. The “running out of resources” is politically
    engineered. If the pols would allow full blast
    offshore drilling, drill the ANWR in Alaska, and get behind
    shale oil, gasoline from coal and developing natujral gas,
    the US at least would have no problems.

    But the fiat money/money-for-nothing welfare state
    has rotted out much of that. Add restrictions on
    energy production, and the shabby treatment
    of “betas” that have been the main pillar of creating
    the modern Western world, and you have a recipe
    for decline – which is what we are seeing.

    Thorium development is not ultra-urgent; there is so
    much U235 lying around from disassembled nuclear
    weapons (in the US, Russia and elsewhere) that we
    are good to go for decades using that. Th has to be
    bred before it fissions, IIRC Th232+n -> (after some
    beta decay) -> U233 + 2 electrons, and U233 is fissionable, but does not occur in macroscopic quantities in nature.

    As to “women act like children”, much of it is engineered. Treat a group like children, give them access to unearned wealth etc, and hey-presto, they become irresponsible. Works on men too. I have a hunch that, in general,
    single women (bar hoppers are a non-representative
    sample) are more financially prudent and responsible
    than say single men.

    Thor

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  241. on June 30, 2010 at 7:24 am anon

    i just read. all those fucking comments.

    and the birds are chirping.

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  242. on June 30, 2010 at 7:56 am Jerry

    But that Atlantic article seems to advocate that women follow a “The Rules” strategy to get men to marry them by withholding sex. Won’t work. The woman who wrote “The Rules” soon got divorced.

    Many of us men don’t want to get married at all and, while it would be important that “marriage-material” will be a woman who has not been on a carousel, as important would be the elimination of anti-male divorce and “child support” laws.

    We should be encouraged by a “state” to have children, not punished for it.

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  243. on June 30, 2010 at 8:05 am thirsty

    I will make it quick cuz I have to leave for work. Denninger Market-ticker) is a punk, he’s been wrong on gold for a half a decade now, and he’s wrong on energy. Oil consumption doubled during the Great Depression, we face a completely different headwind this time.

    Drilling for oil a mile under water and another five miles after that is pretty indicative of where we are at. Low hanging fruit has been picked and future production will only be found in complicated, dangerous and expensive wells that cost a fortune to bring into use. This is a slam dunk for trendline oil and energy production decline.

    Peak coal by energy production occured in 1998, we’ve burned through almost all the anthracite, most of the bituminous and probably half way through the sub-bituminous. Burning brown rocks called lignite is next up.

    Most of the Soviet stockpiles of uranium have now been used up. Supply got real tight when Cigar Lake flooded and that’s why the price went from seven bucks to $145 a pound. Obama is really pushing for a new dis-armament treaty, without you can turn the nuke plants off sometime mid-decade.

    Definitely not saying we are running out of anthing, just saying that year over year production decline is going to do things to both the local and global economy to keep it in a terminal depression for years to come. Those with debt are gonna suck balls, and not just metaphorically. This decade will change history.

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  244. on June 30, 2010 at 8:26 am Rivelino

    sdaedalus:
    “And the older men who go out with girls in their twenties usually are not that keen on having children at all.”

    Where did you get that idea? I don’t think that is true at all. I think despite all the macho talk on this blog, and elsewhere, 80% of guys do have a paternal side and do want to have children, and in fact, I would guess that over 80% of men eventually do have children.

    And who better to start a family with if you are an economically stable 35 year old man, than a hot, sexy 25 year old girl, still fresh, youthful, vibrant, optimistic, and fertile.

    That is the ideal situation, imo. She gets to have her children, he gets to have his young sex toy. Everyone is happy.

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  245. on June 30, 2010 at 8:40 am narciso

    rivelino —
    sdaedalus has been a bit shirty throughout the blogosphere today, so let’s ascribe the snark to her cute feminine tendency, in such situations, to find the cloud inside every silver lining.

    there’s a particular type of older man who indeed just wants young pussy without the inconvenient aspect of fecundity, yeah. for whatever reason, her moody-girl-laser is aimed at that particular part of the elephant.

    but, yes, for most older men few things would be as hot as seeing their baby growing inside a hot young girl. for some, so hot as to make them want to stick around and make more of them.

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  246. on June 30, 2010 at 9:27 am montzilla

    Z Wrote:

    Our current elites simply cannot pass up a bad choice for this nation. Its incredible.

    I tend to think they’re doing it deliberately. Here’s an interesting article on a future worldwide carbon currency. A bit of the article:

    Forces are already at work to position a new Carbon Currency as the ultimate solution to global calls for poverty reduction, population control, environmental control, global warming, energy allocation and blanket distribution of economic wealth.

    Unfortunately for individual people living in this new system, it will also require authoritarian and centralized control over all aspects of life, from cradle to grave.

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  247. on June 30, 2010 at 9:47 am sdaedalus

    @Rivelino
    And who better to start a family with if you are an economically stable 35 year old man, than a hot, sexy 25 year old girl, still fresh, youthful, vibrant, optimistic, and fertile

    It’s a crying shame all these paragons of virtue were noticeably absent when I was 25. Maybe I just wasn’t going to enough bars. My memory, however, for what it’s worth, is that they were chasing after older, more sophisticated women at the time.

    @J5
    sdaedalus has been a bit shirty throughout the blogosphere today, so let’s ascribe the snark to her cute feminine tendency, in such situations, to find the cloud inside every silver lining.

    How could I possibly be shirty with such a charming man? You must have misunderstood me. Perhaps you are the person looking for clouds, not me? I am in a very good mood today.

    It is indeed true that I tend to presume the worst, but this is because the worst has usually been what has happened. I’m sure if my luck were to change I’d become more naturally optimistic.

    PS: in which situations? and what silver lining? do tell

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  248. on June 30, 2010 at 9:48 am dave

    re: Mel Gibson – “There’s no fool like an old fool!” I was wondering how the Almighty would handle him after “The Passion” – Question – will he go back to his ex with his tail between his legs?

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  249. on June 30, 2010 at 9:54 am BDS

    Well Thor, there are several examples already in place. A simple example is auto insurance. The personal transaction is that one pays for a car, maintenance and gasoline, and in return gains the freedom to travel when and where they want to.

    The externality is that by operating a 2,500 pound hunk of metal, you run the risk of killing or injuring members of society. Recognizing this, states require that all drivers carry auto insurance. In order to play, the driver must pay to protect society from this externality, and insurance companies create a market for assuming this externality by offering prices at which they will cover each driver.

    Other examples include commodities futures contracts, options and credit default swaps.

    However, for many businesses, particularly in the financial arena, participants are basically given free insurance. If you know going in that you will not bear the downside consequences of your actions, you will take more risk than you otherwise would in order to maximize your potential upside (a.k.a. moral hazard). Multiply this situation by several thousand investors/traders/bankers, and you get the bank bailout we just had, because it is determined by politicians that bailing out the banks is a smaller cost to society than allowing the market to fail and grind the global economy to a halt (which actually happened for a few days before the bank bailout was proposed and finalized).

    Clearly, this situation exists in several other areas too, such as welfare, medicare, social security, and industrial polluting. What I find interesting about the most vocal of libertarians is that they seem to want to clamp down on the moral hazard caused by entitlements to individuals, but are dead-set against similar precautions taken against businesses, citing the “free market.” For a group that prides itself as being logically coherent, it’s a surprising display of duplicity.

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  250. on June 30, 2010 at 11:38 am Gorbachev

    @gramercy
    I was recently LJBFed and then discarded by a 39-year old woman for being too much of a beta niceguy after functioning as her confidante for three months (I did make some attempts at physicality during this time but it was too little too late). This woman has slutted it up for all kinds of douchebags in the past and still throws herself readily at the nearest alpha male, except now in her older and wiser state she is looking for “commitment” rather than a quick fuck. She just had a nice, intelligent, reasonably good-looking, financially secure guy whose company she enjoyed doting on her for months but preferred to throw that away and continue looking for an Alpha Prince Charming – at 39! There is a cautionary tale here (albeit one few Roissy readers need to hear).

    There’s a class of 35-45 year-old woman who would rather be single than have a man she isn’t attracted to powerfully – and by powerfully, they need a man who activates their sexual response immediately and strongly. They’ve had the Alpha Male for most of their lives, they had it easily before, and as it wanes, the quality of the bad boy who chases after them really sinks fast. But they stick with it.

    The reason: While they think they’re being conscious, they’re not. They’re totally led by their hormonal instincts. Exactly like men chasing after the hottest, youngest girl they can find. The difference is that men can migrate up to women a little older, or not quite as hot, but still hot enough for them. Women have trouble doing this.

    What they end up doing is finding more men that just want to fuck them, but want nothing more to really do with them.

    These are the women who are missing out the most. And there’s nothing you can do – they’re just not going to be into a beta-supportive male.

    No: They *will* be. They just don’t want to sleep with them.

    if you’ve been LJBF’d, the only solution is: game her. Cut off contact, restrict it, start being curt, but ABSOLUTELY don’t be supportive or in any way solicitous.

    Write her off. If she has any chance of being interested, this is the only way to get her to pay you attention.

    Cautionary tales, indeed. I know a good number of women who passed up decent men because there was another guy they could just sleep with but who activated her tingles.

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  251. on June 30, 2010 at 11:39 am White Woman

    @ Mary Jane

    hmmmm must study these telomeres…I must have long ones… 🙂 Now I’m “aging” myself.

    I’ve never like the idea of freezing my potential children either…I feel responsible for them. Glad I had my kids young. I was one of those “dummies” who just wanted to be a wife and mom rather than pursue a career. Course…it made finances a bit difficult after the divorce, and it never occured to me to go on welfare, but I digress…

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  252. on June 30, 2010 at 11:49 am J

    @ Lily

    “With the rise of the ‘silver divorce’, it’s not linked to eggs. I haven’t read up enough stats on it but my impression is it’s more likely in women who married young.”

    Where I see this happening in my community, it’s always moms of grown kids. Some common factors that apppear:

    –the spark had gone out of the marriage
    –the couple has grown apart and the kids are no longer there to hold them together
    — lower estrogen levels make the women less desirous of sex so that being alone is more desirable to them
    –the women are “sick and tired” of taking care of others
    — both husbands and wives realize that they are entering into the final phase of their lives and want to make the most of those years by doing their own thing

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  253. on June 30, 2010 at 12:02 pm Cannon's Canon

    Maybe I just wasn’t going to enough bars.

    maybe you weren’t hot enough

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  254. on June 30, 2010 at 12:04 pm J

    @TG

    “What is wrong with being completely dependent on a man? My grandmother and great grand mother before that……WERE COMPLETELY dependent on men to take care of them….no they didn’t go on Sex in the City style shopping sprees”

    It depends on the goodness, morality and dependability of the man. I have no trouble taking a hiatus from work and
    allowing myself to depend on my husband, but he’s a good guy. My grandmother OTOH was completely dependent on a man who beat her from the time he married her back in the old country as a pregnant 14 year whom he had either raped or seduced (depended on which story you believe) until the time that his sons began beating the shit of him for his temper tantrums. My aunts, who grew up in that environment, married drunks, cheaters and morons, who beat them–unless my father or their sons intervened.

    It ain’t about a shopping spree. If men want to “rule the roost,” they need to be more dependable, strong and wise than most actually are.

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  255. on June 30, 2010 at 12:07 pm sdaedalus

    maybe you weren’t hot enough

    That too, no doubt.

    Sigh.

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  256. on June 30, 2010 at 12:13 pm J

    @ Cap’n Bobn

    “In most ways, life really was better for women in the 50s.”

    Maybe, maybe not. My recollection is that not every family was the Cleavers. People were just quieter about their problems, and women had fewer options about getting out of bad situations.

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  257. on June 30, 2010 at 12:38 pm J

    @Xontrarian

    Thanks for posting this link. It’s an intersting article.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/06/my-year-without-sex/58592/

    @ Gorbachev/Dalrock

    From the article:

    “Would you change how you dated in your 20s?

    I think I would, actually. I really would. I’d be more assertive about my right to be romanced. And I think that would have probably sent some of the cads running, and then I might have then noticed some more interesting fellows. ”

    This is exactly the point I’ve trying to make to you guys. Women no longer feel they have the “right to be romanced.” They settle for poor treatment because they don’t/can’t reasonably expect better.

    Often, the more aggressive alphas swoop in leaving the betas in their dust. They take advantage and accustom young women to bad treatment. Some heartbreaks later, the women realize that they could have demanded more and look for guys who have that to give, but, it doesn’t mean that women are natural born sluts who crave alpha mistreatment–as bitter betas are wont to interpret the phenomenon. It means that the young and stupid really don’t understand their options.

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  258. on June 30, 2010 at 12:44 pm Usually Lurking

    Maybe, maybe not. My recollection is that not every family was the Cleavers. People were just quieter about their problems, and women had fewer options about getting out of bad situations.

    And the Homicide Rate, Rape Rate, Overall Crime Rate, rate of illegitimacy and a host of other stats were significantly lower.

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  259. on June 30, 2010 at 12:54 pm Doug1

    sdaedalus–

    My memory, however, for what it’s worth, is that they were chasing after older, more sophisticated women at the time.

    Yes, often enough. Esp. among the non real players. Which was your target group. All the feminist propaganda that’s embedded in lighter but still strong enough form in movies and sitcoms and other shows made in America or Britian or the Anglosphere.

    Culture does have strong shaping effects.

    But there’s an over time biological pull too. that tends to favor around 10 year age differences for child bearing couples. 5 to 15. To be more, girls got to have something of a daddy attraction (more than usual) if she’s not totally gold digging and he has gold, and /or guy’s got to be a real proven status and often money success, who’s alphaish, but also then more settling down. Despite Roissy proclamations, most alpha’s do marry or otherwise LTR mate, and have kids.

    Should get a doug1 approved type prenup though.

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  260. on June 30, 2010 at 12:59 pm J

    @sdaed

    “maybe you weren’t hot enough…That too, no doubt.”

    Do you have a vagina? Yes? Then you are hot enough.

    [editor: helen thomas has a vagina.

    could you be any stupider?]

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  261. on June 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm dalrock

    And the Homicide Rate, Rape Rate, Overall Crime Rate, rate of illegitimacy and a host of other stats were significantly lower.

    J isn’t unlike other members of her generation in this respect. From what I’ve seen, most are strongly invested in the narrative of the progress that they ushered in. Divorce is a matter of female empowerment as recourse to the actions of bad men. Sluttyness and the hookup culture is a matter of empowerment as recourse to bad men who force women who really just want marriage to give it up “if you love me”.

    There is reality, and then there are old reruns of Happy Days. I’m not sure many from the generation that came of age in the 60s and 70s can distinguish the difference.

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  262. on June 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm Doug1

    anoukange–

    The only difference between a ‘high’ alpha and a ‘lower’ alpha is one can keep his dick in his pants and has the capacity to remain faithful to one gal for at least five years and any “opening up” of the relationship is discussed and agreed upon like adults who actually care for each other. As for the somewhat narrow example of “high” alphas around these parts…so what they can cheat? So can I. It doesn’t mean I do.

    I don’t cheat either anoukange. I do sometimes get to play. Always with consent and making my committed love feel she’s securely loved. And not at all neglect. Not so often these days. Well aside from my online/distance special circumstances love. All discussed all around, consensual. Loving.

    I guess by your def. I’ve become a lesser alpha again. Not by lifetime numbers or hottest been with or threesomes, in Roissy’s definition, that post of his. I love love most of all. Esp. now. Have lots of it at the moment, one enduring. Well two, but we’ll see there. I’ve been through my numbers periods, yes. Slut periods and semi sluts. Hotter kinds of same. Not now. Mellowed. Love time.

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  263. on June 30, 2010 at 1:05 pm Doug1

    Tyrone@Paul:

    It ain’t just Schopenhauer who said woman are children. Nietzche did, as well as Aristotle. Aristotle called them somewhere between men and children. That was the general attitude about them among most societies in the Ancient world. I personally think this is most accurate. Any society that indulges them too much becomes weak and decadent over time. Prosperity seems to be the common cause for seeking to indulge women. Most likely because men become soft themselves and begin to seek womanly comforts and pleasures as well.

    Agreed, wise man.

    Well I find I generally agree with you.

    I’d just elaborate or refine a little by saying that too a point some women are capable esp. if socially supported in this, as now, in acting more mannish and acting less like children. But generally at a cost to their womanly appeal, for all but submissive type men, shudder. And also generally not really, at core. Still an essential emotional thinking difference.

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  264. on June 30, 2010 at 1:06 pm J

    @ Usually Lurking

    “And the Homicide Rate, Rape Rate, Overall Crime Rate, rate of illegitimacy and a host of other stats were significantly lower.”

    Some truth in that, but rape was under-reported and the illegitimacy rate was lower in part because of “shotgun weddings” that led to unhappy marriages.

    I was born in the 50s and have a clear recollection of them. Some things were better; some were worse. People romanticize the 50s to a degree that defies reality. It wasn’t perfect by any means. People just complained less then.

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  265. on June 30, 2010 at 1:15 pm Doug1

    A simple declaration.

    I’m not against women being free (legally and culturally) to participate in the workforce at all levels, though without any special help in doing so, whether by goals or soft quotas or AA or tilting playing fields to get this result. In fact if anything I think playing fields should be and now return to being tilted in the opposite, male direction. For a host of reasons I can elaborate upon. With this freedom to work at all levels should come men no longer committing in marriage to support ex wives when those ex’s are not giving anything in exchange post marriage to their former husbands.

    Nor am I against but rather in favor of abortion rights for women. Though with that should come no oopsing pregancy rights for women. That is no rights to force support from unwilling men, for a child that only the woman wanted to have and see supported.

    I am against just about everything else feminism has advocated or won, including just about all feminist lobbied laws, from sexual harassment law to 2nd wave and after feminist lobbied changes in divorce law to VAWA (the violence against women male emasculation act), and so on.

    Girls and ladies, I challenge you to advocate or defend to the contrary.

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  266. on June 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm Gorbachev

    @J
    @ Gorbachev/Dalrock
    This is exactly the point I’ve trying to make to you guys. Women no longer feel they have the “right to be romanced.” They settle for poor treatment because they don’t/can’t reasonably expect better.
    Often, the more aggressive alphas swoop in leaving the betas in their dust. They take advantage and accustom young women to bad treatment. Some heartbreaks later, the women realize that they could have demanded more and look for guys who have that to give, but, it doesn’t mean that women are natural born sluts who crave alpha mistreatment–as bitter betas are wont to interpret the phenomenon. It means that the young and stupid really don’t understand their options.J added a new comment to the post The Self-Delusion Cloak Of Invincibility.

    J said on The Self-Delusion Cloak Of Invincibility
    June 30, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    In response to Chateau on June 29, 2010 at 10:45 am:

    Women in their late 30s are freezing their eggs because they haven’t yet found the perfect badass alpha male willing to commit to them and love them for all eternity in between time spent ruling the galaxy. A study of women at a Belgian clinic found half wanted to freeze their eggs to take the […]

    @Xontrarian

    Thanks for posting this link. It’s an intersting article.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/06/my-year-without-sex/58592/

    @ Gorbachev/Dalrock

    From the article:

    “Would you change how you dated in your 20s?

    I think I would, actually. I really would. I’d be more assertive about my right to be romanced. And I think that would have probably sent some of the cads running, and then I might have then noticed some more interesting fellows. ”

    This is exactly the point I’ve trying to make to you guys. Women no longer feel they have the “right to be romanced.” They settle for poor treatment because they don’t/can’t reasonably expect better.

    Often, the more aggressive alphas swoop in leaving the betas in their dust. They take advantage and accustom young women to bad treatment. Some heartbreaks later, the women realize that they could have demanded more and look for guys who have that to give, but, it doesn’t mean that women are natural born sluts who crave alpha mistreatment–as bitter betas are wont to interpret the phenomenon. It means that the young and stupid really don’t understand their options.

    And this is the point: For whatever reason, the young women are choosing Bad Boys and then complaining about them.

    If they understood why they do it – the hard-core programing in their brains – they might be forearmed and forewarned. Instead, feminism just tells them to Own It and Be Strong and Do What Makes You Feel Good.

    A perfect 1960’s-70’s philosophy of Me Me Me Now Now Now. You GO Girl!

    So instead of saying: Your hormones are lying and cheating you, be careful (like we tell to young men: Don’t get women pregnant, don’t marry a slut no matter how well she fucks, etc.), don’t fall for cads, fancy showy guys are bad news, your blood wants you to let Rock Stars rape you BUT: Don’t do it–

    Instead of doing this, we say, “GO GIRL!”

    55 casual sex partners later, at the age of 35, the woman wonders what the hell she was doing and where all the good guys are. She wouldn’t know a “good guy” if he jumped in front of her waving his arms.

    Which is what, actually, good guys do.

    Men have two interests:
    1) Woman for Fucking
    2) Woman for Mating / As Partner

    Women confuse the first for the second and think there’s a lot more interest in them than there is.

    It would be *much* better if we told our daughters to bury their hormonal sex drives and look for #2.

    Instead, we glorify it.

    Feminism if the breeding engine for the targets of PUAs who pump and dump attractive women. Without Feminism, we’d have little or nothing to work with.

    The *last* thing a PUA needs is a world of Good Girls. We need sluts, especially sluts who have no idea WHY they fuck men nor any ability to parse from among their own reasons.

    Denying this is perverse.

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  267. on June 30, 2010 at 1:55 pm Doug1

    Gorbachev–

    Feminism if the breeding engine for the targets of PUAs who pump and dump attractive women. Without Feminism, we’d have little or nothing to work with.

    Yeah, more or less true. There were the bar maids of old, and hot looking girls married or likely to be to working class men not likely to climb above that level. And actresses before that profession became more respectable and so on.

    Far fewer middle class (from lower to upper upper) sluts and semi sluts though before feminism. And fewer upper class sluts too, though esp. among those w/inherited big money there have always been some, less discreet about it during decadent periods.

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  268. on June 30, 2010 at 2:45 pm J

    [editor: helen thomas has a vagina.
    could you be any stupider?]

    And I’m sure that Helen Thomas has been laid. Maybe even lately. People have been known to have sex even in nursing homes.

    [editor: you wrote all it takes is a vagina to get laid. i proved you wrong by offering an example of a very ugly woman with a vagina who likely does not get laid by any man. that helen thomas might have gotten laid when she was much younger and presumably (marginally) better looking is not evidence in favor of your claim. in fact, it’s evidence in favor of mine.]

    BTW, ad hominem is the weakest argument of all.

    [if the insult fits…]

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  269. on June 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm GBFM « Foseti

    […] Ulysses points out that GBFM has been active in Roissy’s comment section. He certainly has – here are yesterday’s comments alone (I need more […]

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  270. on June 30, 2010 at 3:47 pm greeneyedjan

    Added to the list of “isms”

    Global Ludicrism – someone with two goats from one country teams up with someone who worships two cows and they influence the courses of nations who do not, based on their own visions and experiences which discount any other as not important.

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  271. on June 30, 2010 at 5:04 pm dalrock

    @J

    This is exactly the point I’ve trying to make to you guys. Women no longer feel they have the “right to be romanced.” They settle for poor treatment because they don’t/can’t reasonably expect better.

    She was a slut in her 20s, so men must have made her choose something she didn’t want. Note how tepid her statement is on cads vs betas. She doesn’t say she would have avoided the cads and dated a different sort of guy, just that she might have sent a few cads away and noticed some betas.

    And reading the whole interview, she makes it clear she isn’t looking for marriage/commitment. She’s still a slut, just a happier one.

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  272. on June 30, 2010 at 10:10 pm Nicole

    Happy sluts are the best kind.

    Thing is, what some of you seem to be forgetting is that average or socially “ugly” girls don’t get ignored. They get harassed and brutally degraded until they believe that they are legitimately ugly.

    A girl who believes she is ugly won’t expect more than ugly girl treatment, and would have to be okay with being called an arrogant bitch (like I was) in order to demand more despite believing herself to be ugly.

    Since most people follow the herd, once you convince a girl that she’s disposable and should get used to it, you can’t expect her to behave like she believes she’s beautiful and deserves better.

    The hordes of functionally motherless cretins will be right there waiting for her to act out her feelings of worthlessness, and to remind her of what they want her to believe about herself each and every time she puts her head up.

    If you have any doubts about that, look at how the hysterical bunch treats me, even though I’m way too old for them. It’s very important to betas that anyone who doesn’t suit their feminized version of what women should look like “know their place”.

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  273. on June 30, 2010 at 10:30 pm Jeffrey of Troy

    “Here’s a crazy thought: maybe what the West needs to avoid a sad decline is a little less support, instead of more.”

    The culture of leaving people to fend for themselves is an environment that selects for the qualities of the psychopath.

    What we need is not less support but more truth.

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  274. on June 30, 2010 at 11:01 pm anoukange

    Doug-

    I sensed we lined up on the possibilities of what a long term may be. 😉

    It takes being in a long term to know what they may require in the future. The love bond has to be air-tight –but steppin out can be done well and within agreed terms I suspect. Ideally? I would hope for raging lust and love for at least seven to ten years between us first if it ever came to that. Women are beautiful creatures so my eyes would benefit from it a bit as well. And like I’ve said, I like to watch my man, in everything. hee…hee.

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  275. on July 1, 2010 at 12:17 am Doug1

    Anouk–

    Yes, you’re absolutely right. Committed love feeling and being not only securely, but also passionately loved. Adored. Hot bitch, his real girl. How could he possibly find a better combination? Or why the hell is it worth trying, she’s so hot and fun and smart and good to be with?

    Esp. if she’s also generous. And I think a bit of bi curious, or display to make men (me) nuts is tops all around for that. If the girls are both cock hungry girls at base, good girls both ( talking about fling girl here) or not.

    Some generous play after a bit can really increase that sense of passionate sexual want. Really. (What it does tend to decrease is the power of the girl in a relationship to use sex denial as a coercive weapon.) I’m not havin that kind of relationship, and think it rarely makes even the woman happy. Unless maybe she’s real domme, and is also cuckolding him.

    If the guy brings the right attitude, and really both emotionally and sexually loves (really adores) his committed love. And I guess probably also brings enough alpha allure to the table.

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  276. on July 1, 2010 at 2:52 am Mr. C

    I heard a story of a wealthy man who wanted his 20 something year old son to get his sperm frozen and then get a Vasectomy.

    That way , no money grubbing gold digger would be able to get knocked up by the son and he would have full control over which woman would bear his children.

    In this day and age , its a perfectly understandable strategy.

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  277. on July 1, 2010 at 7:46 am Thor

    @Nicole
    ‘If you have any doubts about that, look at how the hysterical bunch treats me, even though I’m way too old for them. It’s very important to betas that anyone who doesn’t suit their feminized version of what women should look like “know their place”.’

    I am truly confused. Can you expand on this? Give
    examples, even made up ones?

    Thor

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  278. on July 1, 2010 at 7:58 am anoukange

    Doug-

    yep. cutie 🙂

    The key is knowing how to be a good partner…in ALL ways. Also as I’ve said before somewhere as as my motto with my man….”you and me babe, down the line…whatever it takes”. Partnership is the number two. Not the parents, not the friends, and not society. Know yourself, know your partner, know your limits and know what boundaries you can test and explore these together.

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  279. on July 1, 2010 at 9:54 am She Will Always Be a Broken Girl « Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius

    […] I know you girls lie to yourselves after the relationship to convince yourselves that “He’s not good enough for you“.  Imagine his quality as you perceived it at that time, because that is much closer to the […]

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  280. on July 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm Nicole

    Thor, what ever I say, you’ll accuse me of making it up, so that is kind of pointless. If it really interests you, talk to some teenage girls who are fit but unpopular. Ask them what their life is like in school, and many of them will give you an earfull.

    Then, if you still have the stomach for it, talk to the ones who are a bit fat or have a deformity of some kind.

    It’ll put the things some of the guys, sadly Roissy himself included, have said to me into context. You’ll understand why the chief emotional component in my responses to them is closer to extreme annoyance than real anger. I reserve anger for their shepherds.

    A guy growing up has no control over what he was allowed as a child or adolescent, and no control over the media. He’s not making any money from selling the tranny image as an ideal that women should aspire to.

    None of the guys today was alive, and many of our granparents weren’t even alive when feminists hatched their scheme to destroy any and all “unnecessary” physical gender differences. They don’t know what part of their preferences is natural, practical, or social. No clue.

    So girls who don’t fit the standard, which is now a twisted mockery of ideals that piecemeal, would be natural, but all together, rarely exist on any one woman without surgery and/or drugs, are treated as if they’re ugly. I should post photos so you can see what I look like now, so you can ask yourself what could be wrong with the guys who treated me better five years ago and 35 kg. heavier than they do now.

    Someone who is objectively beautiful, but socially “ugly” triggers a cognitive dissonance that brings out hostility rather than indifference. When men become feminized, and start caring too much about social status, it upsets the natural order, and you have pretty girls who could do better, thinking that they are hideous or that the world is a completely screwed up place, and taking the crumbs.

    I’m not excusing them. I managed to land myself a good one until I got sick and he got bored, and then get right up and find a deathgrip love. Before them, I shagged within my friend zone, so I didn’t have a lot of bad *dating* experience until I came to Israel and didn’t understand the culture.

    Outside of dating life though, among the riff-raff, there was no end to the harassment until I got physically violent. Even after, because I was small, some guys thought me an easy mark, and would get grabby and then get angry when I resisted, and then I’d have to pull out the crazy again.

    I can’t blame girls today for their sluttiness any more than I can blame guys for their hostility. The whole thing is just a big old mess…just a fucking mess.

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  281. on July 2, 2010 at 9:39 am Lolis

    Do you like woman? It does seem like do you!!! Or you’re just a bitter man, who has not had much luck with woman!!

    What you say about freezing eggs is true! I happen to be 38 years old and my BFF is also! We both have discussed the possibility of freezing eggs. Of course, we know that quality of the eggs are not as good (da!!!!), but it is an option. If we knew better we would have done this about 15 years ago. We also discuss when and if we have children (females) we would encourage them to do this in their 20’s. Matter of fact, I encourage any female in her 20 to do that. And know we are not waiting for a alpha male to look at us, but a man that is worthy of us. We understand that there might not be such a thing. If looks are the only thing that men value so be it. We are ok with it, because we are happy with our lives. Plus you don’t need men anymore to have children, only their sperm, if you really wanted to. If you want to have a biological child and you are too old you can also use surrogacy. I know married couples in my circle who are considering surrogacy so the female’s body is not altered by the pregnancy. There’s a solution to everything. Companionship there is a solution for that, sex there is a solution for that…

    You bring good social points, but hope your life is a bit better to you moving forward!!! Maybe you would spread some love!

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  282. on July 2, 2010 at 10:09 am Nicole

    Lolis, if I could find a serious, stable guy from across an ocean, who was living in a country where guys will sit for days in a desert to kill someone, but won’t say no to their mommies, then you can find a “worthy” guy damn near anywhere.

    You just have to want to, and act like a woman at every safe opportunity. Actually listen to your straight male family and friends, and give the one you trust the most veto authority. Let them introduce you to some decent guys.

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  283. on July 2, 2010 at 1:01 pm dalrock

    @Lolis

    Plus you don’t need men anymore to have children, only their sperm

    Strange that such a charming woman would still be available.

    There’s a solution to everything.

    I believe the word you are searching for is “denial”.

    But don’t give up hope. In the US at least nearly everyone who lives long enough eventually gets married (whether they stay married or not is another issue).

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  284. on July 2, 2010 at 3:36 pm Lolis

    @dalrock

    From your reaction, I’m sure you know the word “denial” all too well!

    Half of this site, seems to encourage homosexuality. It seems like men here are better off fucking tight assholes as themselves and women are better off being lesbians, with specimens of this type. LOL!!!!!!!!!

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  285. on July 2, 2010 at 4:37 pm Dave

    @Lolis: How exactly does this site encourage homosexuality? The thrust of most of the game related issues discussed herein is that most modern women behave much more cheaply than they will ever admit. When given the opportunity, they will bang a high status male (even if high status means, e.g., that in high school the so-called high-status male had a lot of money merely because his old man had a lot of money “vicarious high status”).

    Accordingly, most of the education of betas herein consists of, for example: “just because you have been socialized in such a way to pedestalize women so that when you approach them they rebuff you giving you the impression that they are not putting out doesn’t mean they aren’t putting out – in fact, they may be putting out to a male who is in every way your social inferior. They will never admit to you or their family the lowlife douchebags they have slept with. Nonetheless and as a consequence of their own behavior, if you treat them with far less deference and more domination (heck, if they’ve been banged by multiple guys they really don’t deserve deference anyways) you will get more action because in their heart of hearts they know they don’t deserve any better.” If this knowledge enables an erstwhile beta to bang hot chicks how does that encourage homosexuality? The fact that the erstwhile beta now has access to hot chicks (even if he realizes that they are not as valuable as he thought) may mean that he is LESS likely to contemplate homosexuality since he is no longer sexually frustrated!

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  286. on July 2, 2010 at 5:22 pm dalrock

    @Dave
    How exactly does this site encourage homosexuality?

    She’s 38, ugly (“if all guys care about are looks”) and has a bad attitude about men; of course she thinks all guys are gay.

    Part of her certainly knows this is a lie though. Otherwise she wouldn’t have closed her original post with an attempt to shame Roissy into spread[ing] some love!

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  287. on July 2, 2010 at 5:31 pm Lolis

    My response is merely to the way women are disrespected (loose vagina and the such…). If you are so concern about how many men a women has been with or the physical condition of her vagina (which seems to be the only value men in site appoint to women), they are always guaranteed a tight orifice with an asshole… and if they have such disrespect for women than they should be with a guy. From the looks of it, it seems that you guys understand ea. other better anyways.

    The fact that men could have as many partners does not say anything negative about him, though??? Or is it that the men in this site have not had many partners and are bitter about it? Either way why would you want to be involved with such women anyway? Playing games and trying to outsmart each other is not conducive to any good. I’m just saying…

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  288. on July 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm dalrock

    @Nicole

    if I could find a serious, stable guy from across an ocean, who was living in a country where guys will sit for days in a desert to kill someone, but won’t say no to their mommies, then you can find a “worthy” guy damn near anywhere.

    Great line. But from reading your previous posts, I’m guessing you understand the nature of men well enough to appreciate a man who would sit for days in a desert to kill someone (for the right reasons).

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  289. on July 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm Glengarry

    Thorium is funny, certainly doesn’t solve the liquid fuels crisis and I don’t see many banks willing to lend into a regulatory enviroment that is hampering normal nuclear powerplant construction as it is. Could it happen? Sure, I think it is fitting that the first plant will come online far, far away from the western hemisphere.

    An era of resource constraints will be the biggest threat to culture and politics.

    The regulatory constraints are the real bottleneck, right? So thorium reactors aren’t built because we’re running out of thorium, but because of regulations, nimbyism, lawsuits, …

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  290. on July 2, 2010 at 7:00 pm Glengarry

    I’d guess the betas giving ugly girls a hard time are those at the bottom rung of the social ladder. Their biological urge, particularly in their teens natch, is to establish dominance in any way they can, even if the end result is a weak and pathetic dribble in the greater scheme of things. Had they tried the same with a popular girl, her jock boyfriend would, as etiquette prescribes, have torn their spines out. And so they have to seek out the weak and friendless.

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  291. on July 2, 2010 at 7:17 pm Lolis

    @dalrock

    it is obvious you have a low IQ… as your deductive reasoning skills are poor… If you think by taking personal attacks on someone it would make you win a battle. It is obvious that I touch a cord on you, by saying that I am ugly.. you have no idea. But this is what is great about living in a virtual world… I am ugly, you are smart!!! You’re alpha!! I will be whatever you want to be to suffice you ego or lack there of.

    No sense arguing with you. Go back to your wife and kid… you would be better served than wasting your time here.

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  292. on July 2, 2010 at 11:47 pm Nicole

    Dalrock, I can appreciate a near brain dead killing machine as much as the next megalomaniac. I just don’t want to shag one.

    Glengarry, how it works is that the guys on the top rung in grade school and high school, who usually end up on the bottom thereafter, are the worst. They’re doing the most aggressive bullying because out in the real world, even below average girls whose behavior is feminine or generally sweet enough will find someone, and if they realize that, it’s a threat to the bullies’ fragile and temporary dominance.

    The guys who aren’t the most popular in high school, but will do well later seldom do anything to stop the bullying. Many of them are getting harassed themselves, or are afraid that the negative attention will turn to them. Some are just such tools that they jump on the bandwagon. So to the girls getting harassed, everybody actually doing the harassing and everybody who allows it to happen becomes one big hostile entity that, if she doesn’t have freak friends becomes, “everybody at school”.

    Since guys often experience similar things, if not worse, it’s not such a stretch to imagine how a girl can come out of that environment thinking they’re ugly. Lots of intelligent, talented guys come out thinking they’re losers, and some of the negativity sticks with them a good long time.

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  293. on July 3, 2010 at 12:21 am dalrock

    @Nicole

    Dalrock, I can appreciate a near brain dead killing machine as much as the next megalomaniac.

    Sorry, I assumed my point was more clear. A man who has no compunction and kills isn’t at all impressive. A man with great compunction against killing but does so at the appropriate time and for the right reason despite such compunction is impressive. Such a man would have the patience you describe, but would still be kind to his mother, etc.

    You generally have good insight into men, but this might be a side of men which you don’t understand. In our relatively safe modern societies such qualities are too easy to dismiss. Orwell’s quote about rough men comes to mind. So long as such men continue to do their jobs, others can have the luxury of looking down upon them.

    Anyway, glad to hear you found someone. I look forward to continue learning from your posts.

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  294. on July 3, 2010 at 12:34 am dalrock

    @Lolis

    it is obvious you have a low IQ…

    I get that a lot.

    by saying that I am ugly.. you have no idea.

    Fair point. I had no reason to call you ugly. Withdrawn.

    You’re alpha!!

    I think I’m the only guy here who calls himself beta.

    Go back to your wife and kid… you would be better served than wasting your time here.

    I’m 99% sure I’m also the only married w/ kids guy on this site who’s never been in a position to be told that. But it did make me chuckle, and I appreciate that.

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  295. on July 3, 2010 at 4:34 pm Nicole

    Dalrock, it’s one thing when a guy is kind to his mother. It’s another when he becomes an emasculated puppet of his mother. It’s what happens when the father’s authority in the home is undermined. They know how to be soldiers, but they don’t know how to be men.

    I’m talking about the current generation under 45. They’re like night and day compared to the 50+ guys here.

    I once joked with a guy here that if he broke my heart, I’d get revenge by shagging his dad. After the inevitable breakup did happen, about 3 years later, I caught his dad’s eye, and we eye-flirted, but I lost my nerve. Still though, I think to myself, “If I’d have been less horny, and waited awhile I might have had a clean shot at the original instead of the cheap imitation.”

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  296. on July 4, 2010 at 1:07 am Word Around the Campfire – the Roman Candle edition « Hidden Leaves

    […] Renegade: The Self-Delusion Cloak Of Invincibility, Science Continues Proving Me Right, Tard Game, and Dealing With […]

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  297. on July 4, 2010 at 2:44 am Kurt

    I am 34 and as I get older I am amazed at the number of deluded women who really do think that they will have an easy time having children at age 40. Not all of these women were out having sex with lots of guys and partying when they were younger; instead, a lot of them were very picky and just didn’t date at all for whatever reason, either because they were advancing their careers or were waiting for the Mr. Perfect to swoop down out of nowhere and snatch them up.

    Many of these women received proposals in their 20s but rejected the guys for whatever reason, presumably because they thought that they could do better or weren’t emotionally ready for that commitment at the time. However, these sure are bitter when they are in their late 30s and the type of guys whom they want reject them.

    I had one date with a woman to whom I had given my business card at a social event. I only gave her the card because I was the wing-man for my friend who was hitting on her friend and the girl to whom I was talking asked about my place of business. I was not intending to game her or ask her out. However, she did text me and we met up and she mentioned she was 37 at one point. I was turned off and didn’t ask her out again. I thought I handled this as politely as possibly (women reject guys the same way), but I have seen her at social events since then and she just gives me dirty looks. One time I went up to talk to her and she introduced me to her friend but said the wrong name – I am certain that she remembered my name but just wanted to try to make me look bad.

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  300. on July 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm dalrock

    @Kurt

    One time I went up to talk to her and she introduced me to her friend but said the wrong name

    They say the memory is the first to go…

    Interesting story. One thing to keep in mind is that the women you are meeting aren’t typical of their generation, even if they are fairly common in their specific demographic. Per the US Census Bureau, nearly 60% of non-hispanic white women in the US still marry in their twenties. Likewise, roughly 90% of the 37 year old women you mention’s peers have already married (roughly 14% of whom are divorced). You would never know this by reading the rash of media stories whining about how women can’t get married any more though. Aging feminists are a small but very vocal slice of our society.

    More stats on my blog Grey Divorce Part II: Census Data and the Shifting Sexual Marketplace for anyone interested in the topic.

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  302. on September 10, 2010 at 2:22 pm Rarfy

    Don’t know why you hate feminism so much. The more ‘sex-positive’ women the better IMHO. I ain’t looking for a wife, ever! Let ’em freeze their eggs and play around–I’m one of the guys they play around with.

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  303. on September 10, 2010 at 7:23 pm Ricky J. Moore II

    “Don’t know why you hate feminism so much.”
    Because it produces horrible women. They lack the sanity and self-sufficiency of men and the helpfulness of women. They come out as some sort of tortured hybrid, inferior to each.

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  304. on September 10, 2010 at 7:58 pm Rarfy

    But they’re easier to screw, so I don’t really care.

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