Via Randall Parker, here is a study of birds showing that less attractive female birds choose equally unattractive mates.
Less-pretty female house sparrows tend to lower their aim when selecting a mate. Addressing the lack of studies on condition-dependency of female mate choice, researchers writing in the open access journal BMC Evolutionary Biology found that female sparrows of a low quality prefer males of an equally low quality.
Researchers from the Konrad Lorenz Institute for Ethology in Vienna studied sexual selection preferences in the common house sparrow. Though it has always been assumed that females will want to choose the best possible mate, in terms of reproductive and genetic fitness, Matteo Griggio and Herbert Hoi have found that, in fact, unattractive females dare not dream of mating with males who are considered out of their league. […]
“Actually, we found that overall, female sparrows don’t have a preference for badge size in males”, Griggio explains, “but we did find that less attractive females – those with a low weight and poor condition – have a clear preference for less attractive males with smaller or average-sized badges”. Rather than not find a partner, unattractive females will simply settle for an unattractive male.
Griggio continues: “There is some good news for the plainer females though – while they may be forced to settle for less dominant males with small chest badges, these males have been shown to invest more time in parental care than their good-looking counterparts.”
We here at the Chateau write a lot about female hypergamy, as it is a powerful motivating force in shaping the dating market and, ultimately, influencing your own success or failure with the opposite sex. Female hypergamy gets short shrift in studies and in popular culture because it is one of the uglier truths about women’s natures. Since gender is one of the four pillars of protected PC classes holding up the high church of leftist blank slate theology — right behind race but trumping homosexuality and any-religion-that-isn’t-Christianity — it makes sense that our commissars of media agitprop would work hard to avoid having to touch the subject of female hypergamy.
But we touch it here! And grope and fondle it lasciviously. That’s why it’s worth mentioning that even hypergamy must occasionally bow to the restrictions imposed on free market choice by female mate value. Although the above study is of birds, some parallels can be drawn to human behavior; parallels which are corroborated by real life experience. Women may loathe the idea of settling, but many of them do, as you can readily see by walking out your door and noticing all the ugly ass couples canoodling like they really enjoy the prospect of fornicating with each other.
Like the female house sparrow, less attractive women may deliberately avoid dating higher quality men in favor of beta males for a number of reasons:
- Less attractive women sacrifice too much to keep an alpha male around. There are plenty of couples where a much better looking man invested absolutely nothing into a skewed relationship and got all the sex he wanted in return. This might be fun for the plain jane for a while, but I’m sure the thrill wears off after a few months, (or years, if she’s truly deluded about her own value).
- Less attractive women figure they don’t have a shot, and so don’t bother flirting with alpha males. Call it the Sour Grapes Syndrome; a homely chick insists she prefers niceguys or nerds to the exclusion of those “meathead jocks” or “douchebags”, but in reality she is simply rationalizing her limited options. Sour Grapes Syndrome explains why ugly chicks don’t commit suicide en masse.
- Less attractive women have to make a trade off that more attractive women don’t. A hot babe can land *and* keep an alpha male around to help her raise her young, but a homely chick has to decide between a one night stand with a horny alpha who will be embarrassed by his slumming the next morning and a relationship with a beta who will lavish more caring attentiveness on her and any brood she may have with him.
- Less attractive women like to feel they are better looking than what their partner normally gets. This is a power law of mating dynamics. We all want to leverage our power in the dating market to the hilt, and a relationship where there is a big imbalance in power sharing is inherently unstable. Homely chicks know, either through experience or instinct, that dating alpha males results in a huge power differential that will almost always result in a breakup with her in tears. So she avoids dating alphas when it’s time to get serious about landing a committed man. Homelier women are smart to do this; studies have shown that the strongest relationships are ones where the woman is better looking than her partner. When a women feels pretty in the context of the man she is with, she will be happier… as long as the man keeps up his end of the bargain by having higher social status and/or game.
Note that none of the above reasons should imply that female hypergamy is rendered null and void for unattractive women. Human females are a little more complicated than house sparrows. In real life what we see are homely girls giving hypergamy the ol’ college try until their options, and their ability to stoically endure continual pump and dumps, are exhausted. This often plays out in practice with the widely observed phenomenon of urbanized 4s, 5s, and 6s suffering a series of humiliating short term flings with men well above their level during their 20s, followed by a grudging acceptance of the utility of settling for the boring beta male in their later 20s and 30s.
Seduction artists who like to dumpster dive (and really, you should probably turn in your PUA card if you prefer taking the easy road to low quality pussy) should continue treating the playing field as if female hypergamy was in full effect all the time, because most homely chicks — even the married ones — can’t resist getting used like a disembodied hole by a superior man.

Sadly, all of this is true.
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Why sadly? You might as well feel sad about preferring steak to burgers. We like what we like. Like the bull that produced the steak, the attractive women get eaten up with age in any case, it’s a tragedy for them whether they get selected or rejected. Speaking as a man who actually likes women, the dating market is really a no-win situation as far as they are concerned. Not suprising so many of them go a bit mad.
PS: given the solipism of the female mind, you might want to point out that although high weight sparrows may be the most desirable, this is not the case for humans.
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As a kid scout I remember my scoutmaster “Sparks” who was an electrician/radio-ham sorta guy and his wife, Mrs Blignaut (I’m South African).
He was a pint-sized bespectacled snout-nosed geek and she, a H-U-G-E vetkoek boeremeisie-type (farmer’s daughter) and their house was always in a complete and total utter mess.
What beautiful days those were!
I loved them.
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I love dumpster diving when I’m hammered. It’s more about how fast it can be done and what you can get away with when you play the away game. ATM is a standard I have set for myself.
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When you’re like an 8.5 and you’re banging a 10. This is the type of article that scares the shit out of you.
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Superior man.
Repeatador those two words over and over and over again in your mind.
Superior man.
Superior man.
Superior man.
What would a superior man do?
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Womb renting
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/renting-wombs-in-india/
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This is all pretty intuitive. A girl takes the best she can get. The fugliest 4 will jump a quality man if he makes his intentions clear, but she knows she won’t be able to keep him.
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Didn’t Pearl Jam record a song about this in the 90’s? Better Man was the title.
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“Seduction artists who like to dumpster dive (and really, you should probably turn in your PUA card if you prefer taking the easy road to low quality pussy)”
I never owned one to begin with. But as a geek, it’s fun being a sort of low-rent player…and it’s more fun being desired by a 3 than chasing submissively after a 6. Non serviam. I get enough of that at work.
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And yet a low desirability woman may reject a low desirability man, or not-so-low desirability man, only for an ego boost-
http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/fat-women-and-the-omega/
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“Seduction artists who like to dumpster dive (and really, you should probably turn in your PUA card if you prefer taking the easy road to low quality pussy)”
Aren’t such individuals basically traitors, spoiling everything not just for men but also for women? If a (female) 5 gets a (male) 8, however briefly, she’ll never be satisfied with men at her own station again. This screws everything up (a) for her, since she now can’t be satisfied, and (b) for the male 5s she should theoretically be dating who now have to suffer her bitchiness.
I have a new manifesto to make the world a better place: men, don’t go below your level! Quality, not quantity. In my book, it’s better to bang one ten than ten nines, better to bang one nine than ten eights, better one eight than ten sevens, and so on down the line.
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Speaking of game- no less than John Derbyshire is now referring to it and its effectiveness:
http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Miscellaneous/twoandahalfmen.html
Today the Derb (and the Weekly Standard), tomorrow the Atlantic!
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Chateau—
The all important slut factor was left out. It’s pretty much the sluttier 5’s 6’s and 7’s who are willing to date and quickly put out for alphas of some sort at the cost of being pumped and dumped or at best getting only a short term fling. More good girls insist on strong evidence of commitment which they believe may well become love before they’ll have full, which they’re unlikely to get from a male more than one sex rank above them. These girls just don’t exist so much in bars and clubs. They’ll likely have a pattern of several quite long relationships and also periods without sex (other than the self given kind) between relationships.
It’s the slut factor which creates the desert for betas (male 5s&6s) and at least for casual sex, higher betas (male 7s).
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I learned early on that to chase men that were out of my league made me look pathetic. However, if someone who was too good for me paid attention to me I very likely wouldn’t have the will power to resist his advances. Most women are weak when it comes to certain men.
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Joe Eoj–
Women have always been the proximate gate keepers of casual sex. Though in previous times and still in some religious areas of our society culture and social pressure put great pressure on them to only have sex with commitment, if at all before the heaviest commitment, marriage.
Men have always banged willing sluts so long as they were decent looking and often if they really weren’t.
Turn your shaming and control efforts where in used to be and always belongs (and the only place it’s ever effective for many) – on the girls.
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@Joe Eoj
Most PUAs are very unlikely to be 8s.
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Yea but joe you got to work your way up ladder sometimes plus have something to fuck while you wait on the “good” girls to give it up. Then ya got to have something to make your woman jealous while your with her. Plus all her friends that she brings home are not gonna be as good looking as her.
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Seduction artists aren’t diving in dumpsters, they are in the dumpster.
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Now the friends that show up when she isn’t there yea those tend to be better looking he he he
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My wife is 49 and I still enjoy fucking her. If a girl is pretty to start with, not too fat and not too thin, if she doesn’t drink or smoke too much, she can look quite good into her forties. Her mother is a good looking woman for her age too, which is proverbially a good sign.
My wife has aged really well. Still quite pretty (she dyes her hair), great legs still, her tits are not as fantastic as they were, but they are not too bad.
Stick her in a pair of heels, a blouse and nothing else, and she is a plausible sex object.
It is a myth that all women age badly.
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Birds of a feather flock together. Ugh… bloody clichés… nah man I’m an ugly motherf*cker and all I’ve left behind me this last quarter century or so are a string of beauty queens, a couple of femme fatales (one of whom’s late hubby gassed himself) and the most recent, a serious mental case heh. Strange life this. Wonder what’s coming up next? Surprise-surprise!!!
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I’d like to hear your thoughts on the sluttiness of women based on their attractiveness (ie- are the hottest girls -8-10s- actually less likely to cheat than then less attractive girls- 5-7s)… since a 7 can bag a relatively quality male for a one night stand.
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Mediocre females may have a totally different mating strategy than high quality females (date a beta and fuck alphas one weekend a month as opposed to dating an alpha and being faithful).
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David Collard,
Some women do age very well. But they’re a small percentage of the total. And given the diet of Western Women, they’re getting less and less.
The old poem advised women to “Gather ye rosebuds while ye may”. It’s still good advice – find the most suitable husband at the earliest age – but most women reject it.
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“find the most suitable husband at the earliest age – but most women reject it.”
Maybe to most women and men it is not just about youth and beauty?
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another strategy for lower SMV women is the “beautiful loser” ie, the best looking possible man whos options have been curtailed by life experience or some non looks related flaw
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The interesting point, not emphasized, is that from the sound of it, female sparrows have more common sense than female humans in mate selection.
I suppose that is the welfare state allowing dysfunctional behavior, but, still, it is interesting.
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i recall dose alpha fucks to beta bucks
i was benrnake’s fav. hottie back in the day
losta cocka in my gina and lotsa cocka i sucks
now it’s juts me and my cats every day.
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“Bling Bing
“find the most suitable husband at the earliest age – but most women reject it.”
Maybe to most women and men it is not just about youth and beauty?
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dana,
what does SMV mean?
Assuming it means ugly women, do you think even they can ever really feel anything but contempt and pity for the “beautiful loser” types?
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Uhhh they don’t always make 4.60 an hour lol
They can make more than median of doctors.
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smv=Sexual Market Value a la the Danimal not necessarily “ugly” just relatively lower SMV than others
yes they worship them for their looks and support them and buy them things and suck their dicks because they are much higher quality physically than they can normally achieve. the beautiful loser also often has ltr game from NOT having been bad with women at some point and can drive the lower SMV woman insane
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Okay. Back to my distant past again. I show up at a dinner party primarily inhabited by what were then oldsters. Men and women in the 30’s, 40’s. I was 24 and just beginning to get game (even though we didn’t call it game back then). At the time I was dating this dynamite 20 year old Nordic blond but when I look back things were starting to come apart. She wanted to get married and I didn’t.
Anyway, I am at this party and I strike up a conversation with this gal is about 35 and looks a like younger Julie Christie. She had come with friends but when they left she stayed behind to smooze with me and then asked me for a ride home. As I dropped her off she asked me come up for coffee or a glass of wine. I wanted to go up. I knew what was going to happen if I went up there. She was a cougar of sorts before the name cougar was popular.
But I said “No, I have to head home.”
I broke up with the blond about a month later. I never went back and asked the older woman if she wanted to hang out.
Cougar or not, I regretted not doing so to this day. Of course because I was getting game I had plenty of other women to keep me busy.
But I have always wondered what it would have been like.
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@ David C.
Post pics. We’ll decide.
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I think a test of your alphaness is if you get approached by ugly or fat chicks vs. alpha females or hot cunts.
Anyways, I’ve noticed that you are going on a tear like A-rod on roids, keep em coming captain.
Always fun to watch women rationalize away.
If you are alpha, try asking out a semi-ugly or fat girl to prom. She will flip shit, then break it off the day before and take the cheerleader captain instead. Ahhh good times.
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@Joe Eoj
Physically, any girl becomes a 5 rather quickly, and today most girls always have puppy dog eyes for alpha on the side walk.
Mentally, or competence, or other things, I haven’t yet met a girl even close to equal.
So, your principle would yield celibacy for the strongest and most able to suppress their whims and desires for morality.
And that may be the point of the progressive mindfuck machine.
The choices are:
– Animal fuckfest, cock carousel, alpha your mom
– Free and equal, and don’t worry about the decision of the other free and equal woman
– Virginal, lifelong marriage, property/semi-property
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@cap’n bob
The strategy requires good and honest judgment by young women — something in notoriously short supply (speaking as the father of teen girls). The strategy was workable when parents had the primary role of selecting husbands for their daughters. It’s unworkable when young women make their own selection, because so many girls have a grossly inflated sense of their own ability to attract and HOLD ONTO an alpha.
As many have noted, the current strategy of young women is to spend their prime years chasing the “perfect man”, and then when they lose hope settle for whoever they can get. They would get a better-quality man for marriage if they made their selection closer to the age of 20.
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We should held débutante festivals like in some countries did in old times. At the 15 birthday the girl was introduced to society in order to find a husband. There’s no way to set early marriages society wide without cultural support. If I were the king of my country I’d forbid university for ladies, so they lose they carrer aspirations and look for marriage.
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I remember once I was supposed to hook up with this girl who, while cute in a hipster way, was really just an average girl who was pretty cool.
What happened when I was supposed to hang with her? She flaked, I called up an ex for a booty call.
Lesson learned. If you’re an attractive male with game, style, options and a reputation, you shouldn’t lay it on so thick all the time.
Game can help all men, but the amount of men game needed varies from guy to guy. The prematurely balding D&D addict with big glasses who’s 5’6 will need to have his game at like 9/10 to get steady girls. The 6’2 210 captain of the football team will get the same results with his game at 2/10. Much like you need to calibrate your game girl-to-girl, you need to calibrate how much game you yourself will need.
Calibration…it’s everything. I believe it’s in The Art of War…sometimes when you are strong, it’s best to fool your enemy by appearing weak.
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I dont think there is anything wrong in settling. It just shows that the woman/man in question knows what his reasonable options are and isn’t deluded enough to wait for a alpha man/female.
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Absent the drive to marry and reproduce during their prime years, women today have MUCH higher standards than they should. They mistake the ability to get a high value male to pump them and dump them with the ability to obtain commitment from a high value male.
Do women settle? Only when they are ready. And most urban women today aren’t ready until they are past their prime. What ends up happening is that they find a provider type to put a roof over their head and a nice car in the garage and maybe an ankle biter or two. This satiates them for a few years until they start to get bored and wonder what they are missing.
Unless a woman is unattractive (1-4), she likely has a hugely bloated sense of sexual market value. See Gorbachev’s comment from yesterday’s post regarding cougars who are completely oblivious to why a man wouldn’t want them for more than a pump and dump.
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smelly monkey-
“I dont think there is anything wrong in settling. It just shows that the woman/man in question knows what his reasonable options are and isn’t deluded enough to wait for a alpha man/female.”
The problem isn’t in “settling”, the problem is having that nagging thought in the back of their heads that they can and should do better.
Inflated Sense of Value. This is a big part of what has ruined western women.
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Gorbachev is so gay, always: “Sadly, all of this is true.” He wishes it could be more easy, like in the gay world he lives in.
Once I met Gorbachev for poker and he said, straight-faced: “I wish the power balance in gender relations was restated by the mass conversions of males to gay living standards, in which case they would be gay. I would have more females for myself… and boys in case I wronged in my delivery of game to the 6’s of my liking.”
Astonished, I made a passing comment that he should try harder and higher, maybe 7’s or 8’s, before gaying it out. He then started talking about a business world ruled by gay CEOs, in which he himself had a prominent part.
He is all “I am a concerned male” around here, but it is bullshit.
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“one ten than ten nines, better to bang one nine than ten eights, better one eight than ten sevens, and so on down the line.”
lol are you people high or trying to prove to the internet how high your standards are because you’re a masculine apex with elite game?
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@ Prophet- dude wtf?! Crazed
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xsplat
Huh? Better to just be arrogant and know that you are superior. And if you are not, keep working on it until you genuinely are.
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Joe
If it’s the over-valuation of the value of pussy that you are trying to deflate, chide men who marry.
Men have economic power, women have pussy power. It’s all out of what lately, because men are paying too much for pussy.
Don’t marry.
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Bling
Are you retarded, or just stupid?
I was chatting a random internet chick last night, and found myself growing irritated. It was her attitude that MEN are not, or should not be, interested in how sexy the woman’s body is.
Fuck you and your attitude to. Dating is about sex. Sexual chemistry. Heat.
If I want a friend and someone to wash the dishes I’ll hang out with guys and hire a maid.
Yes, it’s about youth and beauty. Grow up and get over it and flirt like a woman, not like a virginal a-sexual tomboy.
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@Bling,
You may want to believe that there’s more to it than youth and beauty.
There can be. But youth and beauty are huge components. I lived in Korea; women there are considered, well, more-or-less worthless when they hit 30 and are unmarried. 30 there is 28 here (different system).
Many men value more. But a sexual relationship is distinguished from all other relationships friendships, acquaintances, etc.) by one thing alone: Sex. All other things you can find with friends, close friends, associates.
So, it being principally about sex (and no matter what a man says, this is what it’s about: Anything else he says is a lie), sexual chemistry is crucial to it all.
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I agree that women are not normally very intellectually interesting. Their conversation, from a man, would be regarded as quite prosaic. But of course, anything sounds better from a young, pretty woman.
My wife is not a stupid woman, and has a degree in the humanities, but she is rarely of interest intellectually. She is an intriguing personality, which is something. But a man who marries for intellectual companionship will probably be disappointed.
As for “hire a maid”, we had a cleaning woman until recently, but she was more trouble than she was worth in some ways. When she turned up, she worked hard, but it means having a strange woman in your house. I found her personality irritating, and after a while women like that start to think they are part of the family. Women of that class tend to be flaky too. This woman had left her husband. I didn’t approve of her.
It is better if your wife can run the house.
As for maintaining control in an LTR, the mistake modern men often make is to forget that your wife is not, primarily, your friend or equal or “buddy” or “mate”. She is your wife. You, as a husband, have to maintain some distance from her. The key insight of “game” is that a woman will only find a man sexually interesting if he conveys some superiority to her. A modern husband, in a companionate marriage, has trouble with this. Under the older, hierarchical model, a woman probably felt more “‘gina tingles”. This is the deep truth that most people don’t get now. Why did women stay in traditional marriages, apparently without much demur? Because they were emotionally satisfied to be a wife to a head of house.
But it is not hard to convey the impression that one is a traditional husband. Today my wife, son and I went to a small party. My son and I were the only males there, so I just decided to sit with my son and watch TV. I left my wife with the ladies in the kitchen. My wife served my son and me lunch from the kitchen. No fuss. Everybody was happy.
It is a mistake to spend all your time together as husband and wife. It is unnatural. She won’t value your presence if she never feels your absence.
Also, act like a man with your wife. She was wearing a cardigan today. I didn’t like the way she had it buttoned, so I told her to unbutton it. She complied. It is a myth that women resent being told what to do. It is small thing, but life is made up of small things.
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@MIchaelC “As many have noted, the current strategy of young women is to spend their prime years chasing the “perfect man”, and then when they lose hope settle for whoever they can get.”
This makes me feel unbelievably happy, and somewhat smug, to be honest.
Advice to people with female friends who do this. It is a hurtful subject to breach and usually people who are deluded don’t listen to you anyway….
Would you guys give advice to a friend who’s sexual value was quickly dropping, yet she was still trying to find alphas (not just alphas, but alphas in a very specific niche). I don’t think one can advice another woman without coming off very mean.
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David,
I actually like it when my husband tells me what to do. Most of the time, I don’t really want to be in charge.
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same w/ me laura. i hate being asked “what do you want to do today”
i usually answer: ” i want to be led”
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Dream Puppy-
“Would you guys give advice to a friend who’s sexual value was quickly dropping, yet she was still trying to find alphas (not just alphas, but alphas in a very specific niche). I don’t think one can advice another woman without coming off very mean.”
I get this overwhelming urge to call out half the women I know (and a few men) on their pathetic delusions, but I hold back. Social conditioning is a tough thing to counter. A person has to want to know the truth to be able to assimilate it.
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Rational
I’m not sure how deluded it is to overestimate your market value. My value is pretty low, and I shoot miles above my league. But I’ll hold out and use the hand when needed rather than settle. Because I can.
Look, face it – women really simply don’t want to settle. They would rather use the hand. Who can blame them?
You are not alive unless you are in love lust. Which of us would opt for anything less?
Not me. I’ll be there again, no matter how many so so girls who are into me I have to pass up, and no matter how long I have to wait. You just don’t go back to daily gruel once you’ve learned to cook up a real life.
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@RationalMale
You’re right. I have stopped giving advice because it just never comes off right. Plus, people will do what they want anyway.
As Dream Husband says, “The best kind of vice, is advice”
I still feel like I am failing my friends though….
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re: “dumpster diving”
In my experience, if you’re gaming below your league, a less attractive woman will quickly let you know. Lots of challenges about “why do you like me?” etc and resisting sex as to not appear easy. At least for me, a fuggy is much less amenable than a solid 6 or 7.
And fat chicks, ug. The few times I’ve hung around with girls that were that were chubby, they practically oozed terrible self-esteem. Ugly people, ugly personalities.
That’s why I kinda wonder about stories about guys “hogging” or “dumpster diving”. Women tend to know exactly where they stand on the totem pole. If anything it’s probably the guys overrating themselves and it’s really a bunch of 5 hooking up with 4s.
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It should also be considered that women have evolved to be attracted to beta males in some sort of way. Beta men provide a safe alternative for women. Offspring of “un”alpha women would have a better chance of survival if they had a beta male caring for them. Now one could say that’s where cockholding comes into play, but eventually monogamous genes would be passed down (beta would eventually knock up the cockholder more and more). The fact that some girls prefer beta over alpha might just be an expression of an uncommon evolutionary trait. Put it this way: not everyone wants a ford mustang, some people don’t give a shit and just want dependable cars= honda civic.
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@Dream Puppy
Dreamy, you did it exactly right: snatch up a good man before they’re either taken, or bitter over a bad relationship. Your female friends will be extremely envious of you when they hit their thirties. Beware of female “friends” who are critical of your husband, to make you think he does not deserve to be treated as well as you treat him — she may be trying to sabotage your marriage so she can snatch your man for herself.
Don’t try to convince your friends of this. The quickest way to lose a female friend is to tell her what she does not want to hear. Then again, perhaps there are friends whose loss would create an improvement in your life.
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Female hypergamy is rendered null IF the woman makes a rational decision that hypergamy is not in her long-term interests. Call it sin, security, or alternative goals, but some women understand that slutting it up has a low, long-term ROI. Those who are planning for their 50’s, 60’s, understand that the cock carousel will not get them lasting satisfaction.
Its the short-sightedness of women (and of men, let’s be frank) that leads to the all-out orgy that is modern dating.
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Q:Why do you like me?
A:I’m just doing my job as a man.
There are girls who plan for their 50s and 60s? Even I don’t plan for them, and they aren’t that far off for me. I think girls plan for babies, and that’s as far as it gets.
Future orientation isn’t always the best way to live a life anyway. If you were going to die today, and had to piece up your moments in 1000 moments, and re-live the 100 best over and over, which would you choose?
If you live a life with more of those better moments, that’s a better life.
What do you want, people with relatively happy older years, or people with a lot of great moments spent in their vibrant youth?
You can’t even save up these acorns for old age. They spoil. Now is the best time to fuck around – the sex will be the best. The life will be the best. Fuck throwing that away just for some old years spent with some guy you’ve been with forever.
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Yes, some women are quite particular about how faithful and responsible the guy is. They can sniff out guys who are not family men and who offer no security, and they will not fuck them.
But mostly women contain both extremes within them at the same time. Dual mating strategy.
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david collard, you are hilarious. your name is funny too.
” I found her personality irritating”
she’s a fucking maid, not surprising.
still made me laugh out loud.
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“David Collard” is a penname. Glad that I amused you, conscious animal.
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Some people talk about the proof of a life well lived as being that last moment before you kick off, and you have someone devoted there beside you to wipe your ass. Some talk of the proof being the quality of life for your last few decades.
No way. A life well lived is judged by the number of great in the flow moments you have. Whether you have them in your thirties or in your seventies makes no difference. You can’t hoard happiness – live well today – even if it means risking a lonely tomorrow. Because we all risk a lonely tomorrow anyway – no matter at what age you marry or don’t marry.
People are too hard on girls who don’t want to settle down. Ya’ll talk as if they are irrational. Because they don’t want to perma-marry your type, they are irrational.
Most guys don’t want to perma-marry girls below an attractiveness threshold either. Why fault women for what their attractiveness threshold is? They are build that way. Learn what is, and adapt to what is. Because ain’t no amount of shaming going to get a girl to do anything other than follow her own self interested options – and her self interest is about exactly what she is currently following.
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Many people think that girls are generally over entitled and don’t realistically assess their long term mate value.
It might be that, or it may be that they do realistically assess, and are taking a risk for a calculated benefit, in full knowledge that the risk may leave them bankrupt.
Any entrepreneur will tell you that in order to win big, you have to risk losing big.
Women do that when holding out for the best they can get before settling down, and they do that by settling down later in life rather than sooner. They know the risks – it’s worth it to them. They want what they want, regardless of the risks.
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Dana linked to danimal recently, at http://myrsky.net/faust3/danimal-archive-part-2 there is this:
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Woops – apologies for the above post (currently in mod) I only wanted to quote this:
“If you have the good fortune to die of old age, I hope for your sake by then technologists have provided worthwhile artificial companions, so you can avoid the sad fate of living out your final decrepit years alone that awaits 4 out of 5 women. Or worse, living out your final decrepit years with a decrepit old man.”
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xsplat
“Yes, some women are quite particular about how faithful and responsible the guy is. They can sniff out guys who are not family men and who offer no security, and they will not fuck them.
But mostly women contain both extremes within them at the same time. Dual mating strategy.”
Yes women have both urges but these urges are not balances, depending on the woman. The opposite ends of the spectrum are called sluts and goodgirls. The problem today is that the MSM glorifies the slut persona as empowering. So many girls could possibly be acting against their own nature. Or roissy could be right and all girls are whores (except our mothers). Never know.
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hahahahahahaha LIES!!!!
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This Roissy post is all stuff I knew subconsciously but this puts it concisely. I would say it’s depressing, but it’s always best to use it constructively if you’re male. At least you can compensate with game. Ugly women cannot so they self-justify.
It explains my beta-esque predicament of receiving most interest from the ugly <5s. For example I've got an absolute swamp monster girl stalking me over Facebook. She's thick as shit and looks like she has low-level Down's Syndrome (hint to guys: if on Facebook/Myspace they have next to no photos of themselves but pictures of nature or holiday scenery, chances are they're unsightly in real life to the point that no makeup or flattering angles can improve them). I could be getting a lot more sex, but I'd prefer the painful dry spells over a demeaning lowering of standards. At least this way I'll have to up my game if I want some pussy. And be less approachably 'nice-guy' if I want to foist off the hambeasts.
@betadyourmom: "And fat chicks, ug. The few times I’ve hung around with girls that were that were chubby, they practically oozed terrible self-esteem. Ugly people, ugly personalities."
True. However, girls who are slightly chubby but not obese can strongly influence their overall rating by their body language and general aura. Roissy is right that women overestimate the value of confidence but there is a degree of comfort-in-one's-own-skin that helps their rating, as long as it doesn't come across as obnoxiously overestimating their value. An amenable nature and certain joie de vivre, men like that. The figurative baggage that a lot of fat girls carry with them can be as much of a turn off as their literal baggage.
They also tend to rationalise their predicament. An extension of said Sour Grapes Syndrome is constant complaints about shallowness and perceiving as malicious social constructs those things that are in reality part of the Immutable Biological Script. And as such they tend to be leftists, feminists and whatnot.
[Tangent ahoy] Basically leftism (going right back to Marx) and all it's bastard offspring are largely rationalisations borne out of the inadequacy of its proponents, quelling all manner of cognitive dissonances. This is not a popular image, so left-liberalism cleverly popularised itself through art and the media, and that's how relatively normal people have been ensnared in its tentacles or at least its central tenets. It's no good for one's dating market value to be socially ostracised, and that's one of the few realities that the liberal-left seem to acknowledge. [/tangent]
An important thing in life is to second-guess yourself and examine your motives. Identify cognitive dissonances, eschew rationalisations and head on a path to self-improvement. There is no humility in blaming other people for your problems by way of social constructivist arguments.
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I don’t know what country you live in, but EVERY RELIGION gets the PC treatment. Christianity is the BIGGEST recipient of political correctness. Try critically examining it and running for office, or daring to suggest you are irreligious and run for office.
This is why I don’t get the Chateau’s defense of idiots like Glenn Beck. Try criticizing his Mormonism or implying that the blanket idiocy of believing such tripe automatically calls into question his judgement of issues relating to truth. The victim-mogering is out in full force if you dare criticize ANY religion.
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Anyone who believe in any revealed religion is already exempt from any discussions about evidence and political correctness. When we talk about liberal “dogma”, why do you think we use the vocabulary of religious belief as an insult?
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Do you guys really think popuist conservatism of the Beck/Hannit/Limbaugh sort is any better in judging and accepting the merits of Roissy’s bracing realism?
Race and IQ: Jews and Asians beat whites more than whites beat blacks. Realism doesn’t always mean priviledging ourselves. The research on IQ and testosterone differences in races seems to settle on parasite load – cultures with a high parasite load priviledge high testosterone males since testosterone is something only those with strong immune systems can afford and high parasite loads make it hard for infants to develop their brains
Gender: Christianity pedestalizes women
Evolutionary theory: Conservatism and Christianity thinks it is hogwash.
Any realist conservatives worth their salt must criticize Christianity if they intend to go around criticizing liberal immunity to unpleasant evidence.
People of Walmart: Conservatism loves them!
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Just out of curiosity, what’s “high quality pussy”? Elin Woods? Pam Anderson? Anna Nicole Smith? Britney Spears? Madonna?
(They were all considered widely considered 9s at one point…raise your hands if you’d do them now.)
It’s great if a girl’s ‘hot’, but it’s gravy. It doesn’t do much for you, it can give the girls egos or attitudes of entitlement…and it’s still ‘all pink on the inside’. Give me a 6 that’ll dish out steaks and beer over a do-nothing 9 any day.
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Christianity does not pedestalise women. Read the New Testament. Women are subject to men; morally weaker; and a secondary creation.
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The real genetic payoff is having high social ranking, physically attractive sons. Who ever can have that sits at the top of the genetic pyramyd because an alpha male will out reproduce an alpha female. Having a low ranking son can mean genetic oblivion.
All things held constant, an attractive woman will have as many eggs as an unattractive one. There will never be a shortage of suitors to knock either of them thanks to male promiscuity. For women it is not a question of quantity but quality.
Having female offspring is a much more conservative reproduction strategy per se.
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A really great looking man who is worth walking across the street to have a closer look at, it just as rare as a female of the same description. Men are just less inclined to think of the long term. Unfortunately many women are no less fussy as to how they spend their precious time.
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“The real genetic payoff is having high social ranking, physically attractive sons. Who ever can have that sits at the top of the genetic pyramyd because an alpha male will out reproduce an alpha female. Having a low ranking son can mean genetic oblivion.”
No offense, Professor, but this ‘payoff’ is largely illusory. You can crank out offspring until the sun goes nova, but you’ll still end up dead. Leaving behind a huge gene pool and a long-lasting bloodline is all well and good, but it’s ultimately a construct of the ego. The only reasons marriage was invented in the first place was to consolidate or acquire property and to ensure one’s offspring was in fact their own.
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””””””If you have some method of divination which consistently predicts the future with results better than chance, by all means go pick up your million bucks. It would be criminal for you to deprive the rest of humanity of your breakthrough discovery. That’s one reason why the Randi Prize is a safe challenge. If anybody can win the prize, the exposure alone would revolutionize all of human understanding and yield huge benefits.””””’
I checked the rand prize and if that is what it takes is predicting the future then give me my prize.
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””””””’xsplat
Any entrepreneur will tell you that in order to win big, you have to risk losing big.
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That is actually not true though.
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