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The Times Of Year You Should Watch Your Woman Carefully

November 4, 2010 by CH

Via numerous sources, an “infographic” datanaut has put together a graph based on Facebook relationship status updates that shows the peak times of year for breakups to happen.

As you can see, breakups occur most often in the weeks before Spring Break and Christmas. (Breakups remain high during Spring Break; in contrast, they plummet on Christmas Day itself. Maybe if Christmas was marked by the sight of thousands of scantily clad babes, it would compete with Spring Break for the dump olympics.) Obviously, this graph is skewed toward the relationship dynamics of college students, what with Facebook being primarily the domain of that demographic and college-aged exhibitionists the least likely to exercise discretion about their personal lives.

There is a smaller uptick in breakups just prior to Valentine’s Day (don’t wanna spend the money on this bitch I don’t even much like), April Fool’s Day (I love you… haha! April Fool’s! we’re through!), and the beginning of summer (gotta make room for my summer romance!).

The linked article says that Mondays are the most popular days for breaking up, but I think that is a misread of the data. Most Facebook dorks update their status announcements the day after a big personal change in life, so it’s likely more accurate to say breaking up happens frequently on weekends. Which would make sense, because if you’re sick and tired of a lover, the grating prolonged presence of that person on a wide-open weekend would serve to wonderfully focus your mind on getting the hell out of Dodge.

The data gives seducers valuable info in which to tailor their game for maximum harem retention. First, we know both from anecdote and extrapolating from divorce data that women initiate 60-80% of all relationship breakups. The evo psych reasons for this are that women think more long term than do men, and are thus less likely than men to coast in a marginally-acceptable relationship for the sexual benefits. Women also have a more stringent list of criteria they demand from their lovers, and failing to meet bullet points 457-463 can cause her to reassess your value.

Not only that, but when men aren’t doing the breaking up (and why would they? pussy attached to an unlikeable personality is still pussy, and pussy you aren’t planning to marry still feels as good), women in their infinite passive-aggressiveness are manipulating men into breaking up with them.

Second, women on the verge of breaking up can often be brought back from the brink by a renewed application of core game principles. If you can predict with decent accuracy which days of the year she is thinking about breaking up, you can take preventive countermeasures. If you are a womanizer with a harem (i.e., multiple long-term relationships), it pays to know not just how to reignite her love, but when her love is most likely to dissipate. Timing your efforts creates efficiencies that help you better manage multiple girlfriends.

Women mostly break up because the betas they are with have ceased activating their tingle machine, but let’s not forget that a not insignificant minority of women initiate breakups because their alpha lovers have stopped lavishing them with affection and other signs of commitment. If you are in the latter category, your job is easy, should you choose to accept it. Pay her a few compliments and give her a massage once in a while, and she’ll be back in the fold.

However, if you are like most de-balled men in long germ relationships, you are being dumped because she has grown weary of your betafication. Familiarity doesn’t necessarily breed contempt, but familiarity with betas sure as hell does. For you, betaboy, the goal is to turn up the aloof asshole in late November, mid-February and early June. Other times of the year, particularly the autumnal hunkering down, you can take her for granted.

In sum, herby betas need to be extra vigilant after Thanksgiving. Turn off your cell, refuse to answer texts right away, stop nuzzling in her bosom like a hungry cat, and call her from places where girls are squealing in the background. Once Christmas is over, you can return to being your watery-eyed, limp-noodled self.

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  1. on November 4, 2010 at 11:25 am Miley_Cyrax

    hell of a graph

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  2. on November 4, 2010 at 11:28 am nick superalpha johnson

    first

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  3. on November 4, 2010 at 11:37 am The Rookie

    with the iPhone and other socially-savvy phones becoming more popular, I wonder if the summer months will see an uptick

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  4. on November 4, 2010 at 11:39 am tdmg

    Roissy,

    McCandless confirms in his video about your “Mondays after bad weekends” hypothesis. He says: “coming out of very bad weekends on a Monday” or something close to that.

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  5. on November 4, 2010 at 11:39 am Riff Dog

    I think a lot of things can skew this data. For Spring Break, I’d bet most breakups had to less to do with dissatisfaction with a previous boy/girlfriend than they had to do with simply meeting someone new during an exciting break, or reconnecting with some previous lover on a trip home for the week. Granted, a guy being beta may play into that, but even alphas get dumped (and dump.)

    With the pre-Christmas dump spike, I wonder if that has more do with there simply being a huge spike in new relationships in September and October (since a new school year has started) and the mass dumpings a couple months later are just normal 2 month relationship progressions, as opposed to anything special having to do with Christmas.

    Not that this has much to do with your point, which is well well taken, but any time I see statistics and graphs, the analytical side of me always comes out. Carry on.

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  6. on November 4, 2010 at 11:40 am intp

    Love it. Math and science used to analyze and deconstruct Skankdom. Go men go!

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  7. on November 4, 2010 at 11:45 am The G Manifesto

    “call her from places where girls are squealing in the background”

    Veteran move.

    Also good: Call her from the Gentleman’s Club.

    – MPM

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  8. on November 4, 2010 at 11:47 am Javier

    “long germ relationships”

    Is that a typo or I’m missing something?

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  9. on November 4, 2010 at 11:48 am intp

    Yes. Women are sexually symmetric in one important respect. The pursue both marriage and divorce with equal ferocity.

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  10. on November 4, 2010 at 11:48 am Silver Fox

    Two points: Frat hos/bros dumps, Finals weeks.
    ————–

    Re: game

    I have a 27 yo 7, who just pre-flaked me, for tonights 9pm. She was a stand up from 3 wks ago, who offers a steak dinner, to get me back (made-out, sucked nipple, <$35)

    She goes from being sick, to "not cancelling", to wanting back-in, to committing for 2nt.

    Two-word game is king: gets u pussy, <$, dinner, etc

    My responses:

    -OK, Cancel

    -Cant, anothr time

    -Flake

    -Sho up 2nt

    -@ 9pm……..

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  11. on November 4, 2010 at 11:48 am Firepower

    I’ve never found a woman worth wasting my time on to watch carefully; that’s why there’s greater satisfaction in being the breaker-upper instead of the breakee.

    Then again, I’m a cynical SOB.

    Pussy’s everywhere: Find Strange.

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  12. on November 4, 2010 at 12:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’stop nuzzling in her bosom like a hungry cat””””””

    lol

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  13. on November 4, 2010 at 12:00 pm Eduard - People Skills Decoded

    Can’t wait for December! All the drama…

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  14. on November 4, 2010 at 12:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    I have only been semi dumped once.

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  15. on November 4, 2010 at 12:41 pm Ben Marvin

    Not sure if “long germ relationships” was intentional or a typo, but I will be adopting that term in the future.

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  16. on November 4, 2010 at 12:54 pm Thunear

    you can return to being your watery-eyed, limp-noodled self.

    Brilliant!!

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  17. on November 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm FactCheck

    I’m disappointed but unsurprised Chateau fell into the same trap as the author of that article.

    April Fool’s is not a meaningful spike. The methodology caught every time some posted certain words in their profile. Meaning that if I wrote something like, “Jane and I just broke up!” as an April Fool’s joke, that’d register as a “breakup” on that graph. The high “breakup” rate on April 1 is therefore almost certainly caused by false positives, not actual breakups.

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  18. on November 4, 2010 at 1:18 pm Xamuel

    I’m pretty sure the April Fools breakups are not true breakups.

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  19. on November 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm Zammo

    A beta guy should always break up with a girl right before Christmas, Valentine’s Day, and her birthday.

    So much money saved by not buying gifts.

    An alpha guy doesn’t give gifts unless richly (threesome with best friend!) rewarded, regardless of the holiday or birthday.

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  20. on November 4, 2010 at 1:45 pm Tim

    Excellent advice. Being an asshole can extend the relationship several years. However, there is a limit. The longest I lasted with push/pull asshole game was five years.

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  21. on November 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm Aaron Steele

    With the pre-Christmas dump spike, I wonder if that has more do with there simply being a huge spike in new relationships in September and October (since a new school year has started) and the mass dumpings a couple months later are just normal 2 month relationship progressions, as opposed to anything special having to do with Christmas.

    While that’s very likely to be part of the explanation, I’m inclined to believe it’s a little bit of both. When I was younger, several years in a row I was in a relationship (with a different woman each year) in the weeks leading up to Christmas. Being the asshole I am, I decided to break up with my girl before the holiday and rope her back in afterwards in order to avoid spending unnecessary money or time with her family. Worked like a charm, which surprised even me. They always came back around New Years.

    I never tried the same thing with birthdays. It just seems so much more personal. I guess I’m not that much if an asshole.

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  22. on November 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm mschro

    lol @ the spike on april fool’s day

    “With the pre-Christmas dump spike, I wonder if that has more do with there simply being a huge spike in new relationships in September and October (since a new school year has started) and the mass dumpings a couple months later are just normal 2 month relationship progressions, as opposed to anything special having to do with Christmas.”

    this makes a lot of sense. and it’s especially true for freshman who had a LTR from home first semester.

    without this data you would think that break-ups just happen arbitrarily based on x number of factors between individuals. doesn’t seem to be the case since there sure seems to be a pattern going on here. isn’t it also true that divorces tend to happen in 4 year cycles too..shit’s weird

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  23. on November 4, 2010 at 2:17 pm Ascending Alpha

    @ Riff Dog

    I think the spike in break ups is mainly before Spring break. People dump their significant other in preparation for the trip to Mexico.

    I saw this chart a few days ago. Good stuff.

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  24. on November 4, 2010 at 3:22 pm Jake

    Wow. This blog is written by a virgin computer programmer.

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  25. on November 4, 2010 at 3:35 pm Riff Dog

    @ Ascending Alpha

    Could be. Must be a lot of ethical mo-fos running nowadays, dumping *before* they think they might find somebody else. 😉

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  26. on November 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm Obs

    Interesting website. I’ve been reading a couple of articles and some are really well-written. I get the premise: pick a woman who isn’t career-driven but super sweet and nice and hot. Hot is obvious for anyone male.

    Can someone address this question I have though? I would eventually like to have kids and get married and I have tons of friends from home who married the prototype you guys are talking about: the sweet, homemaking type of girl with no big aspirations. The problem is that their lack of motivation also kept them from keeping up with their appearance. They aren’t the types who will run 5 miles every day once they hit 30 and have kids and can’t maintain their bodies effortlessly. Most of their wives are super overweight and can’t / won’t get a job because they don’t have much upside anyway in comparison (can only make minimum wage, etc).

    As much as the personalities of the women I went to college with might be undesirable, the number who got married and then got sloppy is really low. They are the types who run marathons and will wake up at 6am to take yoga because they’re perfectionists. When you’re in a higher socioeconomic class in large cities where the high-powered jobs are, there’s a lot of pressure on women to be thin — you almost never see fatties. The girls I went to school with and some of the high-powered wives of friends seem to live up to this expectation or risk being pushed out of their social circle’s acceptability.

    Thoughts on this?

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  27. on November 4, 2010 at 4:31 pm Fred

    It must be based on younger women if the biggest break up point is Spring Break.

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  28. on November 4, 2010 at 5:33 pm Philly beer guy

    Hey Roissy,

    I’d like to hear your perspective on whether or not psychiatry is an inherently beta profession (for a man to undertake), a kind of white-knighting.

    It’s worth pointing out that most of Freud’s early patients were women, so I can imagine that it’s a discipline heavily geared *towards* women’s interests/prerogatives, but I’m wondering what you would say about its male practitioners.

    Thanks!

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  29. on November 4, 2010 at 5:33 pm The Specimen

    The pre spring break spike is definitely men dumping women in anticipation of hooking up with other chicks over spring break. Women are much more likely than men to have another lover in hand before breaking things off. Few women I’ve seen will break it off if they don’t feel that they have a solid back up plan. Guys are much more comfortable taking the risk that they might not find someone else over break. If it were the women who were doing the leaving here, i’d expect the spike to come AFTER spring break after they’ve met someone new.

    Same for pre Christmas. Women love getting presents. Most would at least wait until after the holliday, unless they already had a sure thing lined up. A man however, has the financial incentive of not having to buy a gift.

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  30. on November 4, 2010 at 5:36 pm Penguin

    Obs,

    Getting married in the USA today is playing Russian roulette with six loaded chambers. It would take a miracle to survive it.

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  31. on November 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm The Specimen

    The upshot of my last comment is that if your woman dumps you for beta behavior, it is almost certain that she’s either already fucking someone else, or that she’s going to be about 2 days after she dumps you.

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  32. on November 4, 2010 at 5:53 pm what

    Time and time again I’ve said that beta behavior is NOT always a negative thing. There’s got to be a balance dynamically between beta and alpha traits and when , to whom you apply these qualities. My guy is both–sometimes alpha and sometimes beta. The most important for me is whether he is beta or alpha IN BED!!!….or more of the quality that I want in bed. hehe!

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  33. on November 4, 2010 at 6:03 pm chi-town

    Spring break is rather phallic looking.

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  34. on November 4, 2010 at 6:36 pm Caesar Augustus

    Obs,

    You’re perfectly correct in your analysis. Women who have ambition, are college educated, career oriented, and live in (liberal and mega wealthy) metro regions like NYC or SF are in overwhelmingly better shape than their rural or suburban homemaker conservative counterparts. These city babes keep ridiculously fit. It’s all about the culture and affluent urban culture doesn’t tolerate fat women. People in these cities are trendsetters for a reason. Also marital problems and divorce rates are low amongst these types of women. (surprise surprise they make an effort to maintain their figures)

    This isn’t politically correct to acknowledge on this blog since reich wing politics reign supreme but do not settle down with an ambitionless woman. The guys here come across as bitter small town types who married the conservative high school prom queen turned nobody post graduation. She turned into a disgusting slob, had no class so the divorce got ugly, and lacking a career or income source stole everything from the husband who now denounces these types of women regularly here.

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  35. on November 4, 2010 at 7:00 pm Obs

    Penguin,

    I want to have kids, therefore I need to be married. I wouldn’t cheat my children out of a good role-model for their lives and believing relationships last forever, even if most don’t. To do so is ridiculously selfish and stupid in a reproductive sense if you think about it — your offspring are more likely to end up in jail or dead. You choose a woman and take your chances. I’m just trying to minimize my risks.

    Having kids out of wedlock is for ghetto trash who don’t mind if their children grow up stealing cars or slutting around with the local bad boys. No thanks.

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  36. on November 4, 2010 at 7:16 pm Penguin

    Obs,

    Do whatever you like. I’m just telling you the consequences of marriage. If you’re lucky you’ll just lose your children, wife, home, retirement, and income.

    If you’re unlucky you’ll lose your job as well from a domestic violence accusation and be forced to register as a child molester everywhere you go.

    These are recommended divorce tactics for women. There are books on the subject. Best of all, you‘ll be the one paying for her divorce lawyer, the one that’s advising all these tactics.

    Eventually dying in jail because prosecutors only care about whether the alimony and child support is paid. They don’t care if you lost your job to a bogus domestic violence charge.

    If you absolutely must marry and have children, marry an old-fashioned girl from overseas. Never bring her back to the USA.

    The choice is yours. Just don’t say you weren’t warned.

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  37. on November 4, 2010 at 7:19 pm Obs

    Caesar Augustus,

    I thought as much.

    Also, I did look up the marriage statistics you mentioned, and you’re right — the divorce rate between 2 college-educated people is 16% according to the NY Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/health/19divo.html

    Pretty low. Never knew though — everyone’s always talking about how over half of marriages end in divorce. But I’m guessing the 50% rate comes from a disproportionate amount of the lower socioeconomic classes.

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  38. on November 4, 2010 at 7:25 pm mschro

    @obs

    “The problem is that their lack of motivation also kept them from keeping up with their appearance.”

    i’m not sure that’s what is causing the sloppiness post marriage. the homemaking, sweet types are the kind of girls who want to make you happy. so maybe if you find a chick you like you can tell her subtly that you might leave her if she lets herself go. make her work for it. i’ve never been married so i’m not sure what it’s like on that side but in relationships it definitely works. keep your high standards and make them clear and maybe she will take what little motivation she has to work towards keeping her figure. game would help with that

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  39. on November 4, 2010 at 7:33 pm Obs

    Penguin,

    Some advice. Who in the world has time to learn the language & culture & find a girl overseas? Who has the motivation to fucking MOVE there? Even if I did, why would I want to? Every country I’ve ever visited is worse than the US in multiple ways (except for Canada, which is pretty much just like the US).

    If this is really the solution you guys are promoting so I can have children, I really am going to have to keep it moving. In all of these extremely detailed analyses there’s nothing better you came up with? Jesus.

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  40. on November 4, 2010 at 7:43 pm Obs

    Chicks comment here too? Must be gluttons for punishment.

    To mschro:
    No sweetheart, it seems like that’s entirely the point: you say “I might leave you because you’re fat, you need to work out,” she says, “i don’t feel like working that hard so go ahead, I’ll get half of everything you have.” And so you stay, miserable with a fatty. Which is basically all my friends from home. You don’t have any control over a woman’s behavior (or anyone, really), especially after you get married.

    In my experience, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If the girl is motivated to care for herself in the past, she’s doing it for herself and will continue to do it in the future. The problem with marrying the non-motivated girls young is that they don’t have to do anything when they’re 20 to stay slim — they don’t like to work or workout, that’s fine, they’re still a size 2. Fast forward 5 years and they’re 100 pounds heavier with 2 kids and no idea how to diet or any motivation to do so. Obviously it’s not a perfect correlation, but I’ve seen the ambitious types keeping it tight and the non-ambitious types getting fat. Unless you luck out and get that one non-ambitious girl who will always be naturally slim no matter what. But age & pregnancy always surprise you with changes to the body, so that’s a risk in and of itself.

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  41. on November 4, 2010 at 7:45 pm too late for romance

    It just depends on your tolerance for risk and the precautions you take. Once you get married and especially after you have kids the die is cast.

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  42. on November 4, 2010 at 7:49 pm too late for romance

    Oh yeah, and regarding moving to another country to get hitched some of us chose professions that allow us to move anywhere in the world because the skills are in high demand in every country on the planet.

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  43. on November 4, 2010 at 7:52 pm Paul

    Its more likely that college educated sways the statistics towards Asian, Indians, and high IQ whites at the exclusion of low IQ whites and blacks.

    [Editor: Let’s not forget there are low IQ asians and indians as well.]

    As far as urban/rural, consider that California’s economy is in shambles and South Dakota’s is humming along. Only 2 data points, but I don’t think you have really done the research on your rural redneck hypothesis.

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  44. on November 4, 2010 at 7:57 pm Obs

    too late for romance,

    You don’t read very closely. I didn’t say I couldn’t move, I said I have no motivation or desire to do so. Since we’re now apparently going to be braggy about our “skills that are in high demand in every country on the planet.” Because girls like boys with skills, is that right?

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  45. on November 4, 2010 at 8:01 pm Obs

    Paul,

    Why do I care about anyone besides Asians, Indians, and high IQ whites? I am a high IQ white. Even if the college-educated data skews things that way, what do I care? I’m in that group and all others are irrelevant to me.

    If you’re not in that group, you go ahead and conduct your own research on whatever hypothesis you want. I’m good.

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  46. on November 4, 2010 at 8:10 pm Penguin

    Obs wrote, “If this is really the solution you guys are promoting so I can have children, I really am going to have to keep it moving. In all of these extremely detailed analyses there’s nothing better you came up with? Jesus.”

    There’s nothing better to come up with. In marriage in the USA the husband forfeits all rights.

    Read Taken Into Custody by Stephen Baskerville.

    and

    Divorce War — 50 Strategies Every Women Needs To Know To Win:
    “Criticize Him Daily …by carving into his ego like a Thanksgiving turkey, you can effectively break down his self-esteem… A man’s self-image is greatly affected by his perception of his virility. If you degrade his sexual ability, you will essentially emasculate him — his entire sense of self-worth will be dismantled.”

    Some primers, Thoughts on Marriage by John Ross.

    Thoughts on Marriage II, or “Would You Go on a Cruise Ship that Didn’t Have Lifeboats on a Cruise Line Where 60% of the Cruise Ships Sink?” by John Ross.

    “When in doubt, bail. This goes counter to everything we’re bombarded with about marriage, such as the women’s magazine columns with titles like Can This Marriage Be Saved? and constant reminders of how “a good marriage takes a lot of work.” No, it doesn’t. Bad marriages take lots of work. Good marriages are easy. When was the last time you heard a guy with his cute girlfriend sitting on his lap tell you “having a girlfriend takes a lot of work”? The divorce rate is
    high, but most divorces only happen after years of unhappy marriage. That means they involve children, and are expensive. Those are bad things. … This is going to be hard for some of you, because you said those marriage vows, and you meant them. … Or just realize that when your bride vows “‘To love and to cherish ’til death do us part,” she’ll only honor the words until she decides not to. Don’t be too surprised if that moment comes a lot sooner than you expected.”

    Thoughts on the Marriage III, or
    The Marriage Strike: It’s Going to Get Worse Before It Gets Better by John Ross

    Another great quote from the John Ross articles linked above.

    “This may sound like paranoia but it is a not-uncommon practice for a wife to decide to move out on you when you are out of town and take EVERYTHING with her.”

    “This happened to me. I returned home from a 3-day visit with my best friend from college, and for every room except my study, it was like moving into a new apartment. Not a single fork, plate, roll of toilet paper, curtain, drape, salt shaker, napkin, bar of soap, nothing. She even hired an electrician out of the Yellow Pages to take down some ceiling light fixtures she liked. (Our regular electrician refused. I think he had visions of me skinning him alive.) When I’d tell people what had happened to me, their eyes would get big and they’d invariably tell me of two or three other friends they knew whose wives had done exactly the same thing.”

    “Men don’t talk about it but it happens often enough to plan for–at least as often as having a fire at your house. Prepare yourself mentally for the possibility that one day you’ll walk in the door to find your home has been stripped.”

    Better yet, “Take a week of vacation. Spend the entire week in the last row, against the wall, in your local divorce court. Take it all in. It is unbelievable.”

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  47. on November 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm Caesar Augustus

    Paul,

    Don’t buy the media hype, California’s economy is doing reasonably well even today, at least in the urban coastal centers. The real estate prices in the San Francisco bay area and San Diego region have barely dropped. (beauty and jobs keep those places desirable) Rural parts of California are in real shambles though. Those regions may very well never recover. When tourists and reporters travel here it’s to see glitz and glamor not farmland and sprawl, so nobody cares enough to dig deep into what’s dragging the state down economic indicator wise. The state’s budget problems though significant are largely political problems and not economic ones.

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  48. on November 4, 2010 at 8:46 pm Original JB

    “The state’s budget problems though significant are largely political problems and not economic ones.”

    Yes, and by electing Moonbeam the voters have signalled to the business community that their state is in a politically induced death spiral. Political problems that are not resolved reach a crisis point, no?

    Doubling-down on epic moonbat is not going to end well.

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  49. on November 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm raliv

    I was curious as to why the two weeks before Christmas is a big breakup time of the year.

    My roommate said:

    “Cause I don’t want to buy that bitch something.”

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  50. on November 4, 2010 at 9:04 pm Original JB

    “Why do I care about anyone besides Asians, Indians, and high IQ whites? I am a high IQ white.”

    Let me put it this way — if your mind is still set on marriage, screen like hell for NPD and psychopathy. Do not be blindsided. Ask for objective opinions from disinterested friends or close ones before making any irrevocable decisions. It’s not foolproof but it should improve your chances.

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  51. on November 4, 2010 at 9:09 pm raliv

    actually, we should be buying our girlfriends skittles for christmas.

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  52. on November 4, 2010 at 9:13 pm mschro

    Obs,

    “it seems like that’s entirely the point: you say “I might leave you because you’re fat, you need to work out,” she says, “i don’t feel like working that hard so go ahead, I’ll get half of everything you have.”

    i don’t know, that would be a shitty response. guess you better be real selective if you ever want to get married. it’s commendable that that’s still you’re goal. my original post was advocating game to try and influence the girl’s behavior. i still think that could give you some of the outcomes you want.

    “Obviously it’s not a perfect correlation, but I’ve seen the ambitious types keeping it tight and the non-ambitious types getting fat. Unless you luck out and get that one non-ambitious girl who will always be naturally slim no matter what.”

    are you equating ambition with career AND exercise? because i feel like exercise is more a product of healthy values rather than career goals. I could be misreading that but just because someone isn’t career oriented doesn’t mean they hate to exercise. idk. good luck

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  53. on November 4, 2010 at 10:01 pm Garvan

    The funny thing is, when I compare this chart to when I end up hooking up women… the they line up pretty damn well.

    Nov-Dec before Christmas for whatever reason is crazy amounts of pussy. It’s like I walk into a bar and the third girl I talk to is already on my dick bareback.

    Late July-August is a goddamn SLOW month for me. I don’t vacation much, but any time I’ve hooked up during this time it’s been a one night stand in a different town. I have a feeling women during these months stay in their committed relationships and get the sex from alphas during vacations. When I run shit in the city, I’m working at 110% to get anywhere.

    Spring break… well it looks like vacations again… I’d rather save my money than spend money on a spring break vacation where I get booze. Those vacations rack up large quick, and last I looked, a ho is cheaper (hell, compared to some spring break vacations I’ve seen a trip to the Ukraine for a high class ho and a good meal is cheaper.) and a lot less likely to have a disease than a party skank.

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  54. on November 4, 2010 at 10:21 pm ASDF

    Have you guys seen this? It’s revolting.

    http://nerdyapplebottom.com/2010/11/02/my-son-is-gay/

    [Editor: Tokyojesusfist: The formative years.]

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  55. on November 4, 2010 at 10:24 pm Random

    Caesar Augustus,
    you have clearly not spent any time in Los Angeles, Ventura or Orange or San Diego Counties. Or you wouldn’t say that. I live here and it’s nasty! Most of my laid off friends still haven’t found jobs and those who did are only making 60% of what they used to. My ex still has the house she bought me out of but her neighbors on either side and behind her all were foreclosed on and their houses were resold for around 45 to 50% off the 2006 peak price. And she lives in a nicer area, but not super expensive area.

    Regarding breakups: I knew about breaking up before the holidays in order to avoid buying gifts many years ago, this is nothing new. I’ve even done it myself a couple of times.

    Regarding what your woman will look like down the road: look at her current actions, they speak louder than words and are a better indicator of her future actions. If she is conscientous about both diet and exercise now and she was that way before you met her, that’s a good start. Also look at her mother. She may still get heavier as her mother did, but just maybe there is the chance she is the type to keep it under control in a healthy way. You need to screen for this if that’s important to you.

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  56. on November 4, 2010 at 10:47 pm Caesar Augustus

    @mschro

    Success be it career or fitness wise is the product of ambition. By it’s very definition ambition means an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction. Striving for better, pushing yourself harder, never being content, this is a quality of character that if you embody in one aspect of your life (like in a career) you likely embody in all others as well. (such as fitness). It’s the core of being alpha.

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  57. on November 4, 2010 at 10:55 pm too late for romance

    too late for romance,

    You don’t read very closely. I didn’t say I couldn’t move, I said I have no motivation or desire to do so. Since we’re now apparently going to be braggy about our “skills that are in high demand in every country on the planet.” Because girls like boys with skills, is that right?

    So you come here asking for advice and then begin acting like an asshole when offered advice that you don’t like. I see.

    Look, if you have a mental limitation like you can’t move then figure out a way to get your mind right or don’t. It’s not my problem either way.

    And those skills took a great deal of time, money, and dedication to acquire. They resulted from a very deliberate and thought out plan that took years of work and a great deal of risk. They were not handed out on a silver platter.

    Ultimately those skills provide income and geographical freedom, and those are much more important to me than any woman.

    But if you’d rather remain locked to one country because your too weak minded to handle moving to another then that’s your problem. You’ll get no more advice from me regarding how to solve it. Enjoy American women for the rest of your life.

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  58. on November 4, 2010 at 10:57 pm namae nanka

    Many women do seem to have a fetish of dressing up their sons like girls. She didn’t had to try hard.

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  59. on November 4, 2010 at 11:34 pm Retrenched

    @ what

    Yeah, I think some beta behavior can be good for a relationship, if it’s not overdone, and if (and only if) the girl already sees the guy as sufficiently alpha. But in the early stages of the relationship, establishing alpha cred is crucial to avoid getting LJBFed.

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  60. on November 4, 2010 at 11:47 pm greenlander

    So you come here asking for advice and then begin acting like an asshole when offered advice that you don’t like. I see. […] And those skills took a great deal of time, money, and dedication to acquire.[…] Ultimately those skills provide income and geographical freedom, and those are much more important to me than any woman.

    +1 too late!

    You and I think exactly alike. I saw this situation coming a few years ago and started learning Russian: I now speak it fluently after an investment of about 1500 hours of study and instruction. I’ve dated Russian girls (real ones, not the ones off those MOB websites) and they really are a different breed. They’re just as batshit-crazy as women as women everywhere, but they are incentivized to behave by their culture and system to behave differently, so they to.

    I’m about 9-12 months from having my income stream be portable and being able to make the plunge. I’m counting the days…

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  61. on November 4, 2010 at 11:54 pm raliv

    greenlander, did you take formal classes to learn russian? Or did you use books or computer language programs? I am interested in learning russian. thanks

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  62. on November 5, 2010 at 12:15 am greenlander

    Formal classes (like at a University) are a waste of time. The problem is that they move at the pace of the slowest student and you don’t get enough individual attention.

    It’s better to study alone (without a teacher at all) than to take a class. Some people may say, “I’m not disciplined if I don’t take a class,” but if that’s your problem don’t bother. You’ll never achieve fluency without discipline.

    The best thing you can do is to read a book called “How To Learn Any Language” by Barry Farber. He’s a polyglot who wrote a book about how to study languages. It helped me immensely. The book is about $10 on Amazon, and it’s available for [ahem] substantially less than $10 from a torrent.

    If you want to get good, you have to take a “multi-pronged” approach. Divide your time between grammar, flash cards, trying to read natural material (like a newspaper), and speaking with native speakers.

    It *is* worthwhile taking 1:1 lessons if you can afford it. (I can, so I take three lessons a week.) You can find teachers on craigslist and try them out. If you don’t want to do that, there’s lots of teachers who will give you lessons on skype. Look at Edufire.com or verbalplanet.com for teachers. Note that these sites take a big cut of the teacher’s fee for the class. You’ll negotiate a better deal with the teachers if you just get their name from those sites and then go find them independently through the skype directory search.

    Good luck. It’s a hard language but it’s worth it.

    And it’s totally a riot to date Russian girls in the states and not tell them I speak Russian until the second or third date when I suddenly break out the fluent Russian and recite Russian poetry. Russians know their language is hard and it’s also sort of obscure, so no Americans ever speak it. Getting them into bed after that is child’s play lol.

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  63. on November 5, 2010 at 1:24 am Caesar Augustus

    @ Random

    I didn’t say anything about Los Angeles, Orange, or Ventura counties. I’m not familiar enough with them to comment. Although I imagine the nice areas are doing pretty well like Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. These would be places with real value not shit holes in the ghetto where houses were going for 500k during the height of the bubble. As for San Diego I can tell you it’s one of the few areas where real estate prices have bounced back very quickly.Obviously they’re down from bubble levels but they’re still pretty high compared to most places. Some markets are predicted to be dead for years if they recover at all. San Diego’s turnaround has been remarkably quick. As for jobs in the area believe me San Diego is MUCH better to be than the rural parts of Cali where unemployment is at Detroit levels. You might have to take a pay cut but the average lifestyle of a coastal urban resident in Cali is so overindulgent and luxurious that their definition of being poor is buying clothes from GAP.

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  64. on November 5, 2010 at 3:34 am Malibongwe

    You guys are taking this shit too seriously. If bitch feels her guy is becoming beta, she exits with grace or much fanfare.

    Hey CR, how about a graph for what it means when your girlfriend changes the brand of her tampons? Jeez!!! You’re taking alphas down a right slippery slope with this ‘evidence’.

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  65. on November 5, 2010 at 4:53 am Steyny

    i agree with jake

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  66. on November 5, 2010 at 5:19 am Obs

    “So you come here asking for advice and then begin acting like an asshole when offered advice that you don’t like. I see.”
    Sorry — I am an asshole. Every girlfriend & hookup I’ve ever had has said so.

    “Look, if you have a mental limitation like you can’t move then figure out a way to get your mind right or don’t. It’s not my problem either way.”
    Did I say it was your problem? I asked for input, you gave some stupid ideas, I said they were stupid, and you got your panties in a bunch. I have my mind right — my original point about unambitious vs. ambitious is pretty much right on.

    “And those skills took a great deal of time, money, and dedication to acquire. They resulted from a very deliberate and thought out plan that took years of work and a great deal of risk. They were not handed out on a silver platter.”
    WAAAAAYYYY too much work to get some mystical foreign woman who is apparently just as batshit crazy as American women. Isn’t that the point of this blog, that getting women with game is supposed to be easy? Fail.

    “Ultimately those skills provide income and geographical freedom, and those are much more important to me than any woman.”
    Yet you started doing this entire thing in order to get women.

    “But if you’d rather remain locked to one country because your too weak minded to handle moving to another then that’s your problem. You’ll get no more advice from me regarding how to solve it. Enjoy American women for the rest of your life.”
    Yes, please refrain from giving me advice. It’s pretty shitty from where I stand. And I reserve the right to make fun of advice I think sucks. Sorry if it hurt your feelings. You can go cry about it to Svetlana.

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  67. on November 5, 2010 at 5:27 am Gunslingergregi

    “Why do I care about anyone besides Asians, Indians, and high IQ whites? I am a high IQ white.”

    Yea and I am orange.

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  68. on November 5, 2010 at 7:07 am what

    @Retrenched,

    “Yeah, I think some beta behavior can be good for a relationship, if it’s not overdone, and if (and only if) the girl already sees the guy as sufficiently alpha. But in the early stages of the relationship, establishing alpha cred is crucial to avoid getting LJBFed.”

    Right, good point. The key word there is ‘sufficiently’. What exactly is LJBFed?

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  69. on November 5, 2010 at 12:06 pm Penguin

    Roosh predicts more fatties and ever more elusive flighty thin girls in The Future of Game.

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  70. on November 5, 2010 at 12:18 pm Laura

    What,
    LGBF- Let’s Just Be Friends
    You use it when you when you want to turn a guy down gently.

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  71. on November 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm Firepower

    or, if he has enuff money,you can always marry him

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  72. on November 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm PA

    Let’s Just Be Friends
    You use it when you when you want to turn a guy down gently.

    Somehow, that’s even more emasculating than what my o m e g a friend Ace once got from a girl he approached. In his case, she looked him up and down, and burst into laughter with the following words:

    Oh my God, you little geek
    Get away before I freak
    I’m a babe and you are not
    You can’t handle what I’ve got

    Why would I go out with you?
    You’re not fit to lick my shoe.
    So hahaha, don’t make me laugh
    I want a whole man, not a half!

    Never shaken, he replied with:
    “so, I guess a blowjob in the parking lot is out of the question?”

    Yeah, he banged her.

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  73. on November 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm anoukange

    Firepower–

    “Then again, I’m a cynical SOB.

    Pussy’s everywhere: Find Strange.”

    –My crush on you is over Firepower 😦

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  74. on November 5, 2010 at 2:07 pm Firepower

    anoukange

    Firepower–

    “Then again, I’m a cynical SOB.

    Pussy’s everywhere: Find Strange.”

    –My crush on you is over Firepower 😦

    hey, be nice: your married. I just did your guy a favor.

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  75. on November 5, 2010 at 9:29 pm duxbury

    “No good deed goes unpunished”

    women will often view your kindness as weakness and dispense their contempt accordingly.

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  76. on November 5, 2010 at 10:31 pm DirkJohanson

    Its a rare post in which I have major disagreements with Roissy, Usually, I just admire them and keep quiet.

    The spike in pre-holiday breakups is alphas thinning their herds. There are only so many women you can take home to your family on Thanksgiving and Christmas, only so many places you can be on those days, and only so many you can date on Valentine’s Day and New Year’s.

    While its possible to juggle by going to one girl’s house for Thanksgiving and another’s for Christmas, girls dating an alpha and ranking below 2 on his depth chart take a bruising before those holidays. Remember, what women consider a “relationship” is five minutes with an alpha, so even a three-Tuesday-night-in-October pump-and-dump with an alpha is likely to cause women to announce on Facebook that they are “in a relationship,” and cause them to note otherwise in late November.

    This post of my dealt directly with subject: http://guyinism.com/uncategorized/the-holidays-what-monogamy-would-look-like/

    Another, in the section concerning “if you have a date with a new hot chick” kind of touched on it: http://guyinism.com/advice/dirkjohansons-valentines-tips/

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  77. on November 6, 2010 at 10:26 am anoukange

    Firepower-

    married…haha….hardly. A lovely idea in theory but it seems to fall apart in practice for most folks.

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  78. on November 6, 2010 at 12:53 pm Reality Check

    …but let’s not forget that a not insignificant minority of women initiate breakups because their alpha lovers have stopped lavishing them with affection and other signs of commitment. …

    How about the lavishing — or lack thereof — of them with gifts and other material tokens of affection that all females seem to crave… or is this universal desire on the part of virtually all women, in all cultures, suspended for whatever reason when she is with a perceived alpha? I mean, surely what else is a better ‘sign of committment’ than this, especially to desirable women.

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  79. on November 6, 2010 at 4:53 pm Female Break-ups | Considerations

    […] Roissy, Geekosys­tem, and Math­ias Mikkelsen have […]

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  80. on November 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm DirkJohanson

    Lack of gifts have little to do with it. If it did, the spikes would be after the holidays, not before them.

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  81. on November 7, 2010 at 3:43 am This Week In Game (10/29/10 — 11/04/10) | The Quest For 50

    […] Roissy — Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing, Paying For Sex, The Times Of The Year You Should Watch Your Woman Carefully […]

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  82. on November 7, 2010 at 8:04 am A

    Hi everyone. I need some help. I am going to break up with my girlfriend, but I feel really sorry for her. She does not have many friends – no friends that she does things with regularly.

    I want her to be happy. What should I do?

    I have been thinking about taking her to a cocktail bar, and hoping that guys will flirt with her. She is a 7, 8 or 9, depending on what she wears. Her self-value is lower than it would be otherwise because she does not go out to bars, EVER, and she has never been to a club. Thats my theory.

    What to do? Oh and… Something else I should mention, that is obvious, but I should mention anyway, is that she will probably have nice feelings toward me after I break up with her. I still want her to be happy though. Oh yes and she will be moving out of my apartment.

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  83. on November 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm High School Dating

    haha nice graph!

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  84. on November 7, 2010 at 5:27 pm Linkage is Good for You: You Know What the Pattern Is Edition

    […] Eternal Shallowness of Men with Options“, “I Called it Two Years Ago“, “The Times of Year You Should Watch Your Woman Carefully“, “The Training of the […]

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  85. on November 17, 2010 at 11:57 am Break Up And Hook Up Season Is Upon Us « Paradigm Shift

    […] The Chateau a while back put up a nice little graph showing the times when girls are most likely to break up with you, and the holidays are one of those times. Who knows the reason, usually the same reasons they break up with a guy any time, hypergamy. No chick breaks up with a guy to remain celibate. She’s either found someone else, or wants to get back on the cock jumping fun fair. Check the graph here. […]

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