Women love to bitch and moan about their men. It’s in their blood. But it matters not, most of the time. As long as you smite her heart with your heraldic war pike of forged steel alphaness, her bitching and moaning will waft into the ether, having no influence whatsoever on her desire to cling to you. In fact, bitching and moaning is often a sign that the woman is deeply in love, for such a powerfully debilitating emotion ushers forth a fusillade of half-hearted complaints as a grounding mechanism to steady her so that she can make at least semi-cogent rationalizations why she can’t get enough of your assholery.
There is, however, a time and context when the complaints carry more weight. This is usually right near the end of a relationship, when she has already checked out and is now trying to wriggle free without confronting the real reasons why she feels no tingle. You will know this is happening because complaints you rarely heard before suddenly come out of nowhere, and with increasing frequency. Her bitching, too, will take on a serious cast, and the playfulness with which she needled you before will be gone, replaced by a somber recounting of grievous faults. You will almost picture her wearing a green eyeshade as she ticks off your bothersome habits that, for reasons unclear to your formulaically analytical male mind, she finds irredeemably annoying what once she thought charming, and evidence that you are unsalvageable as a boyfriend.
“You’re late all the time.”
“I hate they way you kiss with the side of your lips.”
“You never got me anything nice.” (You’ll notice girls using an out-of-place past tense when you have been mentally demoted to ex-lover.)
We here at the Chateau know the reason why she has morphed into a human resources department assistant manager: you lost your alpha mojo. Her complaints, more often than not utterly baseless trumped-up charges, are simply mediums through which she contextualizes your emerging betatude. She cannot fathom the subtleties of character deficiency and behavioral emasculation that turn her off, but she can wrap her frazzled hamster around the one time you were ten minutes late picking her up from the train station. And since a woman’s memory for trivial details rivals a quad core CPU, you can expect that she will remember retroactive annoyances from five years ago that today serve as convenient nitpick fodder to justify the torrent of hypergamous preprogramming that propels her away from your domesticated ass.
Happily for you readers, the Chateau is a one stop shop for all your relationship management needs. We don’t just diagnose the problem; we give you solutions. So what do you do when the end is nigh and the bitching has evolved into a stone cold staff meeting? Whatever you do…
DON’T ENGAGE HER LOGICALLY.
Women are probably capable of some rudimentary logical thinking in a pinch, but it isn’t their default mental algorithm, and they won’t like having to be logical when they could defer to their insanely precocious feeeeelings instead. So when you engage a woman logically, assaulting her with the facts and bolstering your case, you are actually signing your own notice of dismissal. In the court of love, fairness is a fleeting proclamation and evidence an obstacle to be tampered with on the way to the Siberian celibacy camps.
“You’re late all the time.”
“No, I’m not. Once or twice, maybe. But do you remember me being on time for the house party last week?”
BAD.
“You’re late all the time.”
“You would be too if your ten other girlfriends were constantly bugging you.”
GOOD.
“I hate the way you kiss with the side of your lips.”
“I don’t do that. You’re just making shit up.”
BAD.
“I hate the way you kiss with the side of your lips.”
“Next time I’ll aim for your ear.”
GOOD.
“You never got me anything nice.”
“Sure I did. What about that cashmere sweater I got you for your birthday?”
BAD.
“You never got me anything nice.”
“Fuck you. That bag of Skittles cost me an arm and a leg.”
MOST EXCELLENT.
The above are merely suggestions for dealing with the red flags of rationalization bitching. Many game strategies are available to you, and all are good in their own way. The point of this post is that under no circumstances should you ever take a woman seriously in relationship matters, unless she is waving a small white stick with a pink tip in front of you.
Even then, proceed with caution.
“Women love to bitch and moan about their men. It’s in their blood. But it matters not, most of the time. As long as you smite her heart with your heraldic war pike of forged steel alphaness, her bitching and moaning will waft into the ether, having no influence whatsoever on her desire to cling to you.”
Should be a maxim.
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“In the court of love, fairness is a fleeting proclamation and evidence an obstacle to be tampered with on the way to the Siberian celibacy camps.”
Fucking brilliant wordsmithing & gamesmanship here. There’s nothing groundbreaking in this post, but in your steadfast devotion to your core message, each iteration of the core of game gets tighter, more eloquent, punchier, and more fun. I love this stuff, and I’ve begun to have dreams about gaming girls with pithy retorts of amused mastery, arousing tinges. Having dreams about any subject is typically a sign of deep integration into the subconscious.
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First!
I agree 100% here. I learned a long time ago not to engage women in arguments on their own terms. Make stuff up, say irrelevant stuff, anything to avoid logic or reason. You can turn these meetings into hot love sessions if you get her to laugh in the process.
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Three simultaneous posts. I was robbed!
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amplify.
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Now that’s what it means to be aloof kids. Be cool. No matter what shit she throws at you, be cool. This would save men a lot of trouble instead of being so damned serious all the time. Women are absurd jokes. Treat them as such.
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Over time she becomes less attractive yet more effort is required to keep her attracted. Why bother?
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“And since a woman’s memory for trivial details rivals a quad core CPU”
Relatively speaking (to the main storage drives and onboard RAM), memory included in the CPU is very small.
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There’s nothing groundbreaking in this post, but in your steadfast devotion to your core message…He lives it, he breathes it, he shits it in dark steamy piles on her chest.
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I’ve just gone through two weeks of having to deal with endless shit-tests of this type – which I now pass without great difficulty.
I add comments like this:
“You’re really testing my patience.”
(in the middle of an argument she’s trying to start):
“When you’re ready to apologize to me for all of this, give me a call.”
I learned not to engage women on their terms in Asia. Korean and Chinese women are the past masters at this kind of man-abuse.
You can’t ever engage them on their terms or with their rules. The moment you do, you start being tooled.
The ONLY proper response, from the get-go, is to reframe and walk away. It drives them crazy and they come back. Women often apologize for having upset you or being difficult to be with.
Just start doing this and see what happens.
Being a “nice guy” or being rational with irrational women is a ticket to pain.
It’s hilarious arguing this with feminists or women; they deny it and will fight tooth and nail against accepting this as an operating principle. And then they’ll turn right around and do it.
The more they deny it, usually the more they succumb to the right tactic – the bad boys always win with them.
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Chateau,
As a female reader, I would say, most of your posts are awesome. However, it is sad to see it took you that long of a time to figure out woman can not be dealt with logically. It is sad to see that most men DON’T know that fact and had to come here for your lecture.
On the other hand, would you write a post for female readers to see how to dealt with men? I imagine men would want logical responses all the time, but that is not possible from us you know haha
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OhioStater: “Over time she becomes less attractive yet more effort is required to keep her attracted. Why bother?”
It should get much easier over time, not harder. As your reinforce the neural networks of amused mastery and agree & amplify, of your own radiant massive value, it becomes a simple proposition. It becomes a habit, a pattern, a rote memory. You are simply being yourself, the Alpha you were born to be.
There is no efforting, there is no doing. Game is a Zen way of being, guiding your penis to poon like the Kyudo archers sending arrows to the ten-ring.
There is no spoon. Life is a dream, and you are its architect. Remember that always and you’ll never fall.
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when a chick starts bitching and moaning towards the end of arleationship, there is one quetsiojn 2 ask.
“what the fuck am i doing in a rleationship with an asscoked desouled womenz ?” lozzlzlzlzozoz
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I imagine men would want logical responses all the time, but that is not possible from us you know haha
Less talks more getty me offy.
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This is absolutely true. I am sure many men, on reflection, have noticed that…”hey trait X used to be endearing, now it’s a fatal flaw.” Now guys should know, it’s just an excuse.
As for salvaging the relationship, now guys can proceed or not proceed since we now know that chicks be evil and fickle.
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Roissy, that post was brilliant. Where did you learn to write with such wit?
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Brilliant observation.
No mortal is ever able to keep a secret. If their lips are silent, they’ll chatter with fingertips; betrayal oozes out at every pore. – Sigmund Freud
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“And since a woman’s memory for trivial details rivals a quad core CPU”
on LN2
(srry, couldn’t resist)
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This shit only works if you are an actual narcissistic douchebag. They can tell.
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*S*
—-
Princeton Alums, State Dept. Staffer Run Revolting Sex Contest
http://jezebel.com/5723470/princeton-alums-state-dept-staffer-compete-in-revolting-sex-contest
Take a US Foreign Service member, his two buddies from Princeton, a yacht, and a contest to have sex with the most women. The result: the most sexist, racist, and frankly disturbing email chain we’ve read in a long time.
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Great post. Love the writing.
(r)Evolutionary, your posts are consistently top notch and you have a good knowledge of evolutionary biology/EP. Just wondering what you do for a living? Is it something academic?
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I agree with this point, which hit me like a lightning bolt one day when I was telling my 3 yr. old that he needed to do stop doing something.
I had become habitualized to being cool, consistent, and unyielding with him – so it was easy to do the same with my darling wife once I realized how similar the situations are.
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Epic win.
This isn’t just good advice for PUAs who want to get their dicks wet, its actually good advice for men who want to make their long term relationships work.
I learned this lesson the hard way from bitter experience and lots of utterly counter-productive self-justifying defensive diatribes that were much better left unsaid.
The key is to take a step back. Absurd accusations merit absurd responses. Not logic.
Bullshit baffles brains.
Actually, there is one phrase you should never say to woman. That phrase is:
“WTF?”
When confronted with outrageous accusations, you’re much better off with:
“Ha ha ha”
Or a blank stare.
Or funnies.
Response to logic = logic
Response to nice = nice
Response to absurdity = fish
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When a woman starts yelling, Start Moonwalking away.
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When the LTR starts nit-picking, I say: “You should start keeping a list.” Or, “You should post that to Facebook.” Also, “Obviously you need to share that with a therapist.”
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Oh, and btw, the most omega move ever is to off yourself over some chick. Don’t ever do that to your family. They’re not completely interchangeable, but ffs, there are more fish in the sea. Hell of a way to start the new year.
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What about simply, “we should talk. This isn’t working for me anymore”?
I know the all-in move is risky, but if a girl is uttering these complaints in your direction, then you’re already approaching the proverbial Red Zone. Best to make her make a decision before she’s managed to whittle away all your alpha cred.
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Just say-“bring the movies”.
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Sorry for sounding like a wee-todd, but WTF’s a white stick with a pink tip? Some sort of vibrator or a pregnancy test?
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Oh a pregnancy test. Duh. Context.
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Confidunce, never say “we should talk”! That is a female territory and she will nail ya.
Start with: “Now wait a second.”
She thinks you are now on the defensive, and her hamster tingles as she envisions you squashed in a short order.
Start with a few factuals to get you credibility up and don’t let her interrupt you:
“Remember that steak that was so hard I almost broke my tooth?
Or when you killed the car and a tree as well–the poor thing?
…”
A few more and then start making shit up. Don’t let go.
When she starts to cry:
“This is not working for me anymore.”
Then as you noted: I know the all-in move is risky, but if a girl is uttering these complaints in your direction, then you’re already approaching the proverbial Red Zone. Best to make her make a decision before she’s managed to whittle away all your alpha cred.
Chances are that Red Zone has been nixed.
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@Aspirant
Yes, he was talking about a pregnancy test.
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Of course, the easy solution is to never let it get to this point.
More fun is watching a woman who’s all over you, but whom you’ve told that you have no interest in, try to rationalize away why she’s not interested in you (when she really is.) In that situation she’s telling you all of your faults but basically saying she’s totally into you despite all that shit.
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“Over time she becomes less attractive yet more effort is required to keep her attracted. Why bother?”
I think the common mistake is to assume that the game ends once you’re in a relationship with her. It doesn’t. It’s kind of the same mistake people make with dieting: you crash for a few weeks, lose a few pounds, but then you’re back to the same old habits as before and you regain the pounds you lost. Same thing here, once a lot of guys achieve their “goal” of getting in a relationship with a woman, they just go back to their old habits and the woman suddenly notices that he’s a Beta chump rather than the Alpha she was attracted to.
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Schmoe,
You seem upset that he’s not there for you to laugh at anymore.
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The dangerous thing about using logic is that it can seem to work. If you’re good enough at laying out your evidence point by point, you can win the argument and prove her wrong — even get her to admit she’s wrong — and walk away feeling like you straightened things out. You made her agree with you, and now you’re on the same page.
But in truth she’ll only be giving in to get you to shut up, and afterward her resentment toward you will only increase because you stomped all over her feeeeeelings with your cold male logic.
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What about simply, “we should talk. This isn’t working for me anymore”?
Don’t do this. I used to be like this with one of my Ex’s and she would always find a way to flip it around, bring up inane things I did in the past, and make our arguments more emotional/violent than it needed to be.
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This post makes me question why I’m in an LTR – or why I ever would be.
During the first few months, women never pull this stuff.
The “prize” for being in a long-term relationship…Dealing with the stuff mentioned in the post.
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Citizen Renegade,
What would you call this strategy. Acronyms help me to put some of your methodologies into practice. For example, the acronym A&A (Agree and amplify) is nice and easy for me to remember, and I can call upon this strategy quickly as needed.
What would you use as an easy-to-remember acronym for these sorts of teasings?
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Legion,
Thanks for the nod (alpha-style, chin-up, I’m sure). I’m in the health sciences field, and evo-pysch/bio is central to what I do, and how I live, for that matter.
So for me, game is the most congruent way I can live. It’s too bad it’s so politically incorrect, but, if it were somehow embraced by the PC gestapo, it, and I, would lose a bit of edge.
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Mike, there is a period when “you do no wrong”. It varies per specimen, from a few months to a couple of years.
Unfortunately, most of us have to go through this crap as it is unknown to us. But is you are in your 2nd LTR, you should know already.
The best strategy when it pops up first time is to set boundaries.
Don’t respond, staring blankly at her. When she pauses
“Are you finished? If you ever try this shit on me again even once, it’s over. I’ll be gone.”
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“And since a woman’s memory for trivial details rivals a quad core CPU, you can expect that she will remember retroactive annoyances from five years ago that today serve as convenient nitpick fodder to justify the torrent of hypergamous preprogramming that propels her away from your domesticated ass.”
Classic Roissy prose right here. God damn brilliant man!
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holugu-
Fixed.
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LOL! GLC, yep.
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I just started reading your blog about 3 months ago. I now check it 3 times a day. What you write and preach is more beneficial to men (and relationships) than knowing multiplication and division. Unfortunately, this is not taught in school and men today never had father figures to teach the “ropes”.
I wanted to thank you for the blog and now I realize why my 3 serious relationships with women I truly loved didn’t last and my 2 relationships with women I wasn’t truly attracted to did, but with me ending it.
I guess it never “clicked”. I always heard, “just stop caring”, etc., but it never made sense until I read your blog. I’m now 31 and just learning the ropes. Sucks, but better late than never.
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“what the fuck am i doing in a rleationship with an asscoked desouled womenz ?” lozzlzlzlzozoz
GBFM, surely you meant asscoked
desouled Western womenz ?” lozzlzlzlzozoz
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Good points. If you try to use logic with her, you are merely arguing with the hamster. Not only is it pointless, it annoys the hamster. And if you REALLY want to annoy the hamster, tell her ‘you used to love it when I did x, now you hate it!’ She doesn’t need to be told that her arguments are lies, she already knows.
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Realistically, it also depends on whether she is bitching and moaning for legitimate reasons or because for reasons of :-
her overblown sense of entitlement ,
powerplays ,
she is acting like a spoilt brat ,
her petty ideas on the way things “should be”,
because of outside influences like her friends or even family.
You need to read between the lines and work out what her motivations are and rationale (for want of a better word) is.
If there are legitimate reasons and she is worth hanging onto , listen to her , repeat back to her (in rational language) what she has been whining about and act to fix the problem.
On the other hand , if she is acting out based on bullshit , then Chateau’s advice is gold.
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Out of curiosity, how about the nerd women who think they’re logical? I actually dated a scientist who kept saying I was illogical because I would answer questions with ‘because I said so’.
With Roissy and Co. in mind, I of course kept being evasive. It continued another few months.
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“Grow up, you ass-f*cked entitled bitch or get out,” you should respond.
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Workshy Joe
Girl number two was on the couch, while I was on the phone with ex-girlfriend current secretary and blow job on command occasional fuck buddy girl, asking her about a present we had received in the mail from a local bank. Girl number two, the formerly frigid formerly virgin tom-boyish hottie hears me talking in English and overhears the word “present”. Assumes I’m chatting with girl number one.
“Who were you talking to?”
I answered as if she hadn’t even spoken with a different topic, with an attitude of mild irritation. As if it wasn’t her place to ask. Because it wasn’t.
She didn’t follow up. Because deep down she wanted to eventually get past it. I provided a quick exit and commanded her attention elsewhere, and quickly proceeded to get the pissed of girl naked and eased into my welcoming arms – her favorite place.
“Who were you talking to?!”
“Fish.”
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Roark
Correct. It’s much better to stomp all over her feelings with utter disinterest and a replacement frame.
“Feeeeelinggs!”
“Nice tits.”
“Feeeeeeelingssss!”
“Shhh, I’m busy.”
“Feelings feelings feelings!”
“Stop talking, it’s irritating”
“Feelings?”
“Oh, all right. Let’s fuck”
But you won’t get to the point of women being painful if you are in the habit of push pull. When I go out the door, I wave my hands and say “Bye bye. I’m going to China now.” I arouse a sense of loss. Later I can use the same tone and cheerfully chirp “bye bye!”, when I lay down to take a nap. Same feeling of loss. You want her to constantly fear losing you. If she’s fearing losing you, she won’t be pushing you away.
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Do you guys have any suggestions for depictions of manliness in film? roissy posted that one clip, and some people have suggested john wayne. any others?
unfortunately i grew up being a total mangina and acting too much like a woman. any books, biographies, etc on how to speak and act like a man?
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A reason to watch Access Hollywood with your asscoked
desouled Western womenz.
http://starcasm.net/archives/79119
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@And Balls
Fuck everything and go pick up a copy of The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar.
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Knepper
Sidestep the hampster. Ignore the hampster. Toy with the hampster.
Never allow it any authority. It is a child. A pet dog. An irrational subordinate. It doesn’t get any weight to any of it’s opinions. There is no equality of voice in your household. The hampster is trivial and irrelevant. It’s just a furry little crap machine that you keep in a box and toy with and feed celery.
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The bottom line is that if you have a few catamites you don’t need to put up with this shit from women. Simple as that, folks.
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How interesting… I guess there are multiple ways men are bad with women. I mean it took me a real long time to realize women are not looking for an equal but rather someone to look up to, reconnect with my masculine side if you will. Also, being more direct without ironic smirk etc. But shit like this, while good material, was always a given. Trying to convince someone logically to let me fuck them (essentially), never occurred to me. Guess that’s the difference between social “nice guy” and a nerd. I think someone wrote about that too, too lazy to look now.
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So I said, ” Are you watching porn at night? hehe! (eyes squinting, lips pressed together tightly, looking at him side ways with suspicion)”. Without hesitation he calmly said, ” I don’t just watch it at night. (confident, smirky, sly smile)”. I said again, with a giggle, ” Noooooo, are you watching porn at night? ( whiny voice)” He answered, ” of course, but not only at night . (chuckling ). hehehehe!! I just couldn’t get mad at him! hehhehe!! I guess it works NOT to answer me directly. ha! I”ll try something else next time. hee! hee!
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“Grow up, you ass-f*cked entitled bitch or get out,” you should respond.
Well, it’s a big step ahead of groveling and logically convincing, but won’t get you laid. Within reason, we all human, don’t show she can get under your skin and affect you emotionally. Don’t show anger unless you will actually carry out the plan and leave. “Whatever happens, don’t flinch”.
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a white stick with a pink tip. Its my dick
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The only way we learn is by making mistakes. Every Man when starting out on their player apprenticeship onwards Alpha Greatness fails shit tests.
To all the women here: Why does sexism exist? Because women are stupid creatures. Women are ruled with their emotions. Logic, reason and common sense do not exist in their world. So their reality is skewed. It is not correct.
Men are the better sex. Why do you think feminism was created? So women could have equal rights!? No, So that society would be destroyed. Women have all the rights, more rights then men. But they do not and will never have logic and reason.
Us men can figure out our problems individually with logic. Thats why men logically created Game.
Women in society cannot dig them out of the hole they are in. They will crash and burn. Like Roissy says, the age of womans expiry is 34. If a woman does not have a ball and chain on some poor beta by then, she is shit out of luck and will most likely die alone, old and ugly. With no one to comfort her but her cats.
Karma is a bitch
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@Gorbachev
“”I learned not to engage women on their terms in Asia. Korean and Chinese women are the past masters at this kind of man-abuse.
You can’t ever engage them on their terms or with their rules. The moment you do, you start being tooled.””
Absolutely….
But, the key I’m finding is that you have to mix it up.
At some point, you give off the “player vibe” if you don’t give some type of response.
Asian women are both highly emotional and coldly pragmatic.
The key is to pass enough shit-tests to be able to shock when you do give a straight answer, or be able to produce enough surprise and shock that when you do give a straight answer, they notice.
Not sure if this technique has a name or not, but when they ask you all sorts of nonsense in the beginning and you play cocky funny and then they ask “Where are you from?” and you give a straight answer….the “hamster” starts turning.
Gorby, you notice this?
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I saw an interview with Iceberg Slim and he said that if a pimp says he’s going to do something to one of his whores and then doesn’t do it then he’s fucked. That’s why he never told a bitch he’d beat the fuck out of her if she did whatever. He could always just get new whores.
If you say you’re going to do something to a woman if she fucks with you and you don’t when she does, you’re screwed.
And I’m never late. I arrive when I get there. And sure I got you something nice baby girl. Chlamydia.
Media. Not mediums.
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God I wish I read this earlier. Solid advice.
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Let me give this a try…
girl:“You’re late all the time.”
roissy: “You would be too if your ten other girlfriends were constantly bugging you.”
ME: Of course! Since you love to time me all time.
girl:“I hate the way you kiss with the side of your lips.”
roissy:“Next time I’ll aim for your ear.”
ME: “You love it!”(kisses her again with the side of my lips)
girl:“You never got me anything nice.”
roissy:“Fuck you. That bag of Skittles cost me an arm and a leg.”
ME: “Those skittles are nice. Here’s another one.”
comments please
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Do you guys have any suggestions for depictions of manliness in film? roissy posted that one clip, and some people have suggested john wayne. any others?
unfortunately i grew up being a total mangina and acting too much like a woman. any books, biographies, etc on how to speak and act like a man?
Liam Neeson’s performance in Schindler’s List is the best cinematic depiction of true alpha male attitude & behavior I’ve ever seen.
You could also do a lot worse than studying Clark Gable’s performances, and Cary Grant’s, too (except for Bringing Up Baby–don’t ever copy that one in real life).
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Would be nice to go back in time with this advice and redo most of my marriage, but c’est la vie.
For all the betas and new boyfriends who are reading this, follow this post and its experienced commenters to a T. It will work on those who have the dignity to be decent partners and drive away the cunts who can’t stand a real man.
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Anonymous, If you say you’re going to do something to a woman if she fucks with you and you don’t when she does, you’re screwed.
Correct.
So, when you say:
“Are you finished? If you ever try this shit on me again even once, it’s over. I’ll be gone.”
It is set in stone. It is also a preventive medicine against your own oneitis.
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what, as I noted, he is in a “can do no wrong” period. In any case, keep your hamsters on a leash.
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@walawala
Not sure if this technique has a name or not, but when they ask you all sorts of nonsense in the beginning and you play cocky funny and then they ask “Where are you from?” and you give a straight answer….the “hamster” starts turning.
Gorby, you notice this?
With younger Chinese women (or married ones) this is definitely true. The married ones you can play up the player bit; the other ones you need to mix it up to get the best response.
What’s shocking is the consistency of the response. Once you get it down to an art, women have almost interchangeable reactions. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Gorby and walawala, what is the deal with herbalization of Chinese/Japanese/S Korean men? Where is it coming from, what is the cause?
I can trace the betaization of a western man to romanticism, but I am at loss to explain the East Asian man.
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@wallawalla
That’s deadpan, Leslie Nielsson Naked Gun shit and it’s funny as shit too, which is why those movies are so hilarious and endearing: “I promise you Mrs. Nordberg we won’t rest a single minute until we find out who did this to your husband….., now, let’s go get a bite to eat.”
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@Gorby…
The girl I’ve been gaming and had some action with recently suddenly started asking about a friend of mine.
I would normally ignore the question when she asked “What kind of guy is XXX?”
But I changed the subject recently and she said:
Her: “You changed the subject”…
Me: Deadpan: “You ask a lot of questions about XXX.” Note there is no accusation, just amplification and reframing. Not sure if this is correct, but her reaction was intersting.
Her: My friend XXX wants to know
Me: Then let XXX ask.
conversation drifts more to a trip to Korea she’s making.
Her: You speak Korean?
This is where knowing when to give a straight answer to a Chinese girl is key….
Me: My Korean is limited to “hello” and…”you’re cute”
Her: Oh? Really? Works on the ladies.
Me: I learned it all from Korean girl I went out with.
Her: What’s “went out” mean?
Shit test…
Me: Had a thing with.—-not quite a straight answer…
Her; What kind of thing?
Me: a complicated thing….
After that…no more questions about my friend. Interesting. She’s coming over this weekend…
Changing subject onto my dalliances with other…hotter women suddenly the shit-tests about my friend stop…As long as I don’t look or sound pissed off.
It’s like standing in front of a dog….you let it do what it wants it’ll jump all over you for attention.
You turn around and hold a doggie treat…and it sits at attention.
On Honglu’s question of the “herbalization” of Asian men…
Near I can tell, they’re logical and lack game. They think by acting that way they’re winning her over.
To a degree they are…but in my experience Asian Chicks want Alpha but often settle for herb because it’s safer.
It’s like wanting to be a world class singer or artist, but in the end studying dentistry because it provides a steady income.
That’s very Asian.
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If I ever find a girl that I can sublime through logic, I will marry her without hesitating.
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@holugu
“what, as I noted, he is in a “can do no wrong” period. In any case, keep your hamsters on a leash.”
You’re right. haha!! I guess that’s why I’m trying to trip him up! Hey, got to find out where his limitations are! We alll have limitations. I want to love him for everything!! lol!!!
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@Gorbachev
“”I learned not to engage women on their terms in Asia. Korean and Chinese women are the past masters at this kind of man-abuse.””
hee! hee! hee!
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Very good post, also my experience so far.
But why would you want to keep a woman who’s bitching with you? Just dump her if she’s getting pesky.
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@donki
If a woman is “pesky” and keeps “bitching” at you, the problem is not her. The problem is YOU. Women are mirrors of their men. They either reflect back lamentable betatude, or glorious Alpha game.
It’s up to you.
It’s funny, but that Dog-Whisperer guy, Cesar, sums it up perfectly: “There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.”
If you have a “bad” dog that is uncontrollable, one who shits, and pisses everywhere, guess what? IT’S NOT THE DOG’S FAULT.
It’s your fault. You have not gamed the dog correctly.
Same EXACT phenomenon with women. Including the same shit-tests.
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love a man who can take ownership. good answer HUX!
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Gorbachev, your comments singlehandedly make reading the comments here worthwhile. Just saying.
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I’d love to see how this strategy could be played against liberals in the media and Hollywood who obfuscate and shill for Obamacare and ‘progressive’ causes.
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“I’d love to see how this strategy could be played against liberals in the media and Hollywood who obfuscate and shill for Obamacare and ‘progressive’ causes.”
Like I’ve said before, the left is such a mess of incoherent, conflicting causes that’s easy to use their beliefs against them.
Proggie: You racist! Undocumented immigrants are people too…[insert more appeals to emotion.]
Con: if we’re going to allow them free run on this country how are we ever going to reduce our carbon footprint? Don’t you care about the planet? We don’t need to add more mindless consumers to this materialistic society.
Proggie: You homophobe! Two gay people who love each other should be allowed to marry!
Con: Yes, but how will we win friends and allies in the Muslim world if our basic social customs are so radically incompatible? Do you want to engender more hate and misunderstanding, creating more terrorists in the process?
It’s easy as pie, great in one-on-one argument and guaranteed to make lefty heads explode from cognitive dissonance.
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@And Balls – plenty of good films out there to see alphas in action.
Marlon Brando in Streetcar Named Desire
Paul Newman in Hud
Michael Caine in Get Carter
Carey Grant in various films
Also see this post: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/great-scenes-of-game-in-the-movies-4/
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More from the word police:
I think “hating on” was already banned.
http://goodmenproject.com/2011/01/04/please-dont-say-these-words/
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@AndBalls,
Try the 1999 Pierce Brosnan movie “The Thomas Crown Affair” (the only depressing part is the shot of NYC’s Twin Towers, but it predated 9/11 by 2 years). Almost every time Rene Russo’s character tries to play him, she ends up getting played. You can find the script online, but there’s no substitute for watching the movie. Watch every scene carefully, rewind as necessary, until you understand exactly what Thomas Crown did and why he did it. Trust me, a lightbulb will go on, and when it does, you’ll wonder why you never saw such a blindingly bright light….
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@holugu
Gorby and walawala, what is the deal with herbalization of Chinese/Japanese/S Korean men? Where is it coming from, what is the cause?
I can trace the betaization of a western man to romanticism, but I am at loss to explain the East Asian man.
Asian cultures really undermine men, while propping up alphas. They’re famous for it. I only really know about Korea (in depth) and China (less, but reasonably). Japan is just fucking weird: it’s a total outlier in every respect. You can’t use the same experience in Asia to make sense out of Japan. Damned weird.
Korea:
In Korea, the traditional Man rules the roost and has major privileges; but he has certain hard-core responsibilities, in behavior and lifestyle. You can’t break them: You get the privileges when you pay through responsibilities.
What happens today is that the man retains the responsibilities (which are extensive) but loses the privileges. This is a direct import of feminism from the US: It’s recognizable in every applicable detail. There are some guys who opt out successfully, but they generally have weird jobs, or operate on the margins of normal society.
However, if you break with the responsibilities, regardless of what women do, you’re shamed by other men and most especially by women. It’s a more exaggerated version of the “having their cake and eating it, too” effect of feminism, and it’s nothing but total shit for Korean men.
This is why foreign men score so hard: They’re outside the extremely rigid Male social system. We don’t need to follow the rules, and we offer something to Korean women they can’t get elsewhere: Freedom from social obligations. The women love this. Nowhere I’ve ever been except for Muslim countries has social obligations as strict as Korea. You have to maintain Public Face all the time. It’s something the Chinese have difficulty understanding, even: it’s like being upper-middle-class in Song Dynasty China and it’s shocking. And if the Chinese think it’s extreme, imagine what foreigners think. So women love to opt out, and as women, they can do this but still expect their men to follow the rules, which they do. It’s classic lack of responsibility, the same thing that Western feminists do with our social system: All Rights, but No Responsibilities.
It’s why racist men and women can get upset; they hate the fact that some women, Korean men or foreigners can break through the responsibilities that they so assiduously adhere to. It’s the same as conservatives in the US, who want men to stick to the rules but who have no rules for the women. Fundamentally, it’s not about hating foreigners: it’s about being resentful about other Koreans breaking the rules. They can’t attack the Koreans for being that way, so they feel that if they eliminate the foreigners or shame the Koreans by (traditionally) embarrassing them, which may or may not work, by the way, then they can stop the whole process and make people live up to their expected social obligations.
Racists in the US try to do this with people who miscegenate or date out of what they consider their race. Religious conservatives in any religion do the same: They try to embarrass people.
I have no respect for any of it. The conservatives give a pass to the “child actors” (women) and unintentionally act as feminist allies, helping to make sure women never have to take responsibility.
The process is identical in Korea. The issues are different, because the culture is different. But the process is the same.
Korean Guys
Note that traditionally, Korean men are seen as more masculine than other Asian men; Korean women were seriously ground under foot, three generations ago, not even allowed outside the home sometimes (if the family had cash). It was Confucian society, with women at the bottom, in a way that China never was, or could have been.
China was only notionally Confucian. Korea was actually Confucian.
Shame-tactics are used by everyone to keep behavior in line, and these are more powerful than actual laws. But they can be backed up by laws, often vague and capriciously enforced. You have no idea how unfair the legal system can be until you see how “variously applied” laws can be in Korea. The reason: It’s all about “social order”. The laws aren’t paramount; they merely supplement the severe social sanctions society uses. They’re legal “notions” rather than firm rules.
Women often get out of most of the rules, because they’re seen as innocent or “child-like”, needing protection in the old system.
Which means that they can fuck all the hot dick they want, so long as they’re quiet about it; they can work jobs but pay no rent, and spend all their personal cash on gucci bags and anything they want because only the man or their parents are financially responsible for them, ultimately (they can take personal responsibility – but this is *optional* for them).
The guys have to save up huge wads of cash to buy a home, mortgage their family’s future on marriages, buy endless presents of crazy value for the woman’s family (in the tens of thousands of dollars – or more), but the woman has no obligation of any kind to her husband. His money is their money; her money is her money. Practically, women aren’t always like this, but the younger generation are acting exactly like the entitled princesses you’d expect. All rights; no responsibilities. And they want children as much as Western women do: As in, not all that much.
If SHE cheats on him, often he’ll be humiliated for being unmanly or for doing something wrong. If she’s called a whore, other women will often back her and socially humiliate the man. Most of the time, it just goes unsaid.
On the other hand, when the men cheat, and they do all the time, they’re excorciated and hung out to dry. A visit to a prostitute is seen as normal, but just get found out and see what happens. I know Korean guys who rarely ever have sex with their wives, and the women feel it’s their right to never sleep with their husbands but to demand that the husbands never, ever touch another woman. The social control is brutal.
WHAT’S GOOD:
Men have their own society that they exclude women from, and women are resentful. The men have a crazy after-hours business culture of alcohol and occasional Norebang (karaoke) girls. It’s all officially sanctioned, too. It’s also under attack by women.
Women want men to stop this – but there’s no reform of the more-or-less dead Korean marriages that crush men.
Same process as among the US conservatives, but on a larger social scale.
I dislike these kinds of conservative white-knighters for this reason. I can tell you with absolutely firm knowledge:
Korean women fuck around as much as their men; and they do it without the smallest, tiniest bit of remorse. I know: I’ve been with a good number of married Korean women, all of them attractive, some of them apparently dutiful, all of them more than happy to sleep with me. And younger women – they don’t want it getting out, but they’re more than happy to have lovers, foreign or not.
And yet men are blamed for this . Riiiiight.
Every complaint you have about Americans, also true in Korea, but for this: You don’t fit into the very rigid social system, so you don’t need to care.
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Hux, you’re probably right.
Yet I don’t want to be responsible for anyone’s actions.
If she doesn’t like me being a fine provider beta, well, then she’ll have to go look for somebody else. The question she will have to answer is whether this makes her happier in the long run.
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@holugu
Gorby and walawala, what is the deal with herbalization of Chinese/Japanese/S Korean men? Where is it coming from, what is the cause?
I can trace the betaization of a western man to romanticism, but I am at loss to explain the East Asian man.
I’ve never had to pay for sex. Most Westerners in NE Asia have never paid for sex, either. Because Western men are usually just as smart as Asians (at least the ones who get over there) and are often as or more accomplished, and are definitely more manly, …
We get access Chinese men rarely do without being very Alpha.
China:
A very different process from Korea. It’s communist and feminism there is profoundly Marxist and deeply embedded in the national psyche.
The culture is unlike Korea. Men aren’t as “manly”. They’re expected to show some values to be seen as “civilized”:
– Avoid confrontation
– Be quiet and never show emotions
– Back down when faced with public shame (including emotion)
– Not talk; be a rock
– Support the family and ignore personal needs/wants
In short, it tends to mean they’re anti-Alpha. It’s why foreign-born Chinese get the worst of all worlds: They end up having no personality at all.
On the other hand, Chinese girls are supposed to want these betas. AND THEY DO.
For marriage.
They tool guys like this as a matter of course, and their culture gives them a set of behaviors and a face that allows them to give the guys a good show. On the other hand, …
Any woman with prospects and some gumption fucks around and, when the guy isn’t looking, does whatever she wants. There are no expectations on the woman to be anything but
1) Pretty
2) Feminine
Anything else is irrelevant.
The men are absolutely Beta, by definition.
On the other hand, the Alphas get the right to do basically anything they want. Any time. They fuck around, have multiple wives, lovers, etc. and this is fine. The non-rich alphas often have harems of lovers that they keep, and are famous for it. And these girls aren’t sluts: the pure-white virginal little girls the dickless foreign Chinese go back to marry are masters at fooling men.
The process is much, much easier for a westerner to understand than the process in Korea. It’s very straightforward. Female nature is on display openly.
As a foreigners, I’ve been with women who were publicly devoted to their BFs; married women who literally beat a path into a hotel room with me; educated women, women with high-profile jobs, and often mates, who bad-mouthed them in my presence while naked; and women who played straight-nice-innocent-sweet girl to the entire world but who fucked like wild beasts as soon as the door was closed.
I’ve seen the same girl who spent a weekend with me turn around and bat her eyelashes to her subservient, Herblish boyfriend.
I’ve heard the rationalizations, debated the female morality and nearly drowned in the hypocrisy of it all.
What makes me laugh is when I talk to Superior, White-Knighting Asian males, usually filled with confidence and bristling with cultural self-assurance.
I’ve seen the quiet, nice village-girls. I’ve heard how they tell their men how conservative they are, how sex is off the menu, how they need to be married first – and I know that a good half of them had lovers that “don’t count” because they weren’t Chinese or they were older or they were X or they knew them for a long time or whatever.
The entire female culture is designed for ONE THING:
To fool, trick, coddle and tool unsuspecting men. To get resources.
Chinese girls in the US are in much greater danger of doing this. I’ve actually watched while a woman I knew for a fact was sleeping with another guy I knew, pretty and sweet and charming and the very essence of traditional propriety, was being all goody-two-shoes with her BF while she’d just spend the night with her lover.
I’ve seen it in China, too. These women aren’t whores. They’re not bitches or sluts or atypical at all.
They’re just, …
Women.
Remember: Feminism has been vigorously entrenched in China for decades. Far longer than in the US or the rest of the Western world. Women get a major Pussy Pass for everything over there. Pretty women are basically never held responsible for anything – anything, at all.
The entire burden of the social order rests almost solely on men.
(older married women/moms are a different story: I haven’t bothered to address that yet).
TAIWAN/HK
Both of these places are more traditional than mainland China.
Taiwan: What China would have been without Communism. But similar. Women are minxes, and have absolutely no compunction about dropping a Beta like a hot potato for a better prospect; getting divorced over perceived slights; or taking lovers. Men, however, are harshly ruled. However, they get more privileges than Mainland Chinese men.
HK:
A whole different story. Got money? Everything is for sale.
You need major game to score in HK. If you have it, …
You can rack it up nicely.
Ask Walawala about that. Everything he says is exactly on the mark.
Shanghai dating is starting to resemble HK in most major respects, but more crass (if that’s possible).
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@donki
“Hux, you’re probably right.
Yet I don’t want to be responsible for anyone’s actions.
If she doesn’t like me being a fine provider beta, well, then she’ll have to go look for somebody else. The question she will have to answer is whether this makes her happier in the long run.”
donki,
wow!! I can respect you for this statement. You can acknowledge you are a “fine provider beta”, sounding like a SUPER alpha. I like you already!
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“In the court of love, fairness is a fleeting proclamation and evidence an obstacle to be tampered with on the way to the Siberian celibacy camps.”
Just like in today’s REAL courts (divorce, criminal, civil) which are now obligated to weigh womens’ feeeelings and flight from accountability more heavily than the objective facts of the case.
So not just in a court of love, but in the United States Supreme Court as well, pandering to the self-serving agenda of women and progressives matters more than applying the legal definition of right and wrong.
America’s kangaroo courts would be a laughing stock were it not their very real power to strip all men of their rights and constitutional protections in the name of feminism.
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@donki
True, but guys are guys. And deep down, they’re HAPPIER being Alphas, just as their girlfriends or wives are HAPPIER with them being Alphas.
You can push the dog analogy further. A well-trained dog is a HAPPIER dog. Take one who is poorly trained, shitting all over the place, who’s unhappiest? THE DOG.
Women want their man to be strong. This is brainstem-programming that goes back to the Stone Age.
Donki, you’ve got to master game to keep women happy. If you’re not willing to do this, “going your own way,” “ghosting,” and just writing off women entirely are all considerations.
And such a choice is not to be criticized. Most women ARE completely insane, and millions have gone lezbo. They hate men with such blind fury that it’s best to let ferocious dogs lie.
I wouldn’t blame you at all for taking this route.
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Gorb,
What do you suggest to an Asian man when his mother is like that.
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Gorbachev, what you wrote down about Asian cultures is gold. Please post it as a game article on the Spearhead.
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Obviously I’m too biased to agree with the women are illogical bit. But otherwise I like this post. The real message is keep the LTR light, fun, sexy and interesting. Good advice for both sexes.
Maybe you’ll stay together for the kids. But if you can make your spouse laugh while she’s running out the door to soccer practice – that’s what will determine whether you’re both happy or not, in the long run.
Also staying skinny ftw.
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@Johnny
“Gorbachev, what you wrote down about Asian cultures is gold. Please post it as a game article on the Spearhead.”
For quite a while I’ve remained quiet, silently observing what you all (especially Grob.) write about Asian (Chinese) women (ME). I’m setting the record straight…..silence doesn’t mean I agree with him. He makes it sound WAAAY too simplistic. Guys, NOTHING is that simple. Get real.
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Women’s primary need in life is security. For all of their hypergamy, every shit test a woman delivers is essentially a plea for reassurance that she’s emotionally invested herself in an Alpha male not an impostor. Women’s penchant for nagging, b!tching, complaining, worrying, rambling, etc. without wanting any feedback or criticism is almost universally an expression of this need for security when she feels she doesn’t have it.
Remember, when women speak, their primary motive is to convey feelings not information. She doesn’t want a rational solution for any of her complaints, she simply wants her feelings to be affirmed. That’s what her girlfriends are for, not you. One of the greatest sources of guy’s frustration is because we listen to this shit and we think “A+B=C, solve the problem, move on” because they absorb the linear information of what she says and plot a resolution for her. It’s just the way we’re wired, deductive reasoning.
Always remember, for women, communication is all about context, not content. Women’s preferred communication method is to be covert, indirect, subtle, psychological and nuanced. Dirty looks, innuendo, that’s the language of women, every shit test a Man will ever be challenged with comes from this covert methodology. It’s as if women’s greatest test is to determine whether a Man can truly understand her covert language an thereby truly master her with it.
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To Game Asian (Chinese HK) women, is about class. The lower the class the easier to game; the higher the class the harder to game. I remember this “truth teller” from earlier posts saying that it’s easier to game the darker skin Asian (Chinese)…..he is absolutely right on. I guess it depends what you are looking for.
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To calrify……higher class I mean well raised, old money NOT self made nouveau riche.
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Gorbachev,
Thanks for the in-depth examination of the various Asian populations. Your experiences underscore and deepen my understanding of Asian people primarily through interactions with them in the Western US.
Reading your posts above clarified several things I had noticed but had not been able to explain.
Keep up the great work. I agree with commenters above that your comments are one of the highlights of the Roissy comment brigade. I was also glad to see your work recently on the Spearhead, looking forward to seeing more.
Back to the current subject at hand–Asian culture. Any comments on how Vietnamese people & culture fits into the rubric described above?
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@what
“Gorbachev, what you wrote down about Asian cultures is gold. Please post it as a game article on the Spearhead.”
For quite a while I’ve remained quiet, silently observing what you all (especially Grob.) write about Asian (Chinese) women (ME). I’m setting the record straight…..silence doesn’t mean I agree with him. He makes it sound WAAAY too simplistic. Guys, NOTHING is that simple. Get real.
@what, what do you want me to do? Write a book?
Of course the stuff I’m writing is simple. I’m glossing over everything to get to the point. I didn’t say All Chinese Women Are Like This. I was pointing out social processes and making notes of things a foreigner who was watching and participating might notice.
You want nuance? You want careful, thoughtful and in-depth analysis and wholly accurate summations? You want field reports with up-to-the-minute data? You want complexity?
It would require me to write books in these little comments.
I’m already hated for writing too much and bleeding my thoughts onto this screen like so many run-on sentences racing each other to the finish line.
Exactly how much carefully processed, measured nuance do you want? Is it that you don’t like what I say, or rather, that I’m dead wrong? Is it to simplistic?
Let me tell you:
Men want things run down to their simplest and most common elements.
I KNOW: NACWALT. Not All CHINESE Women Are Like That.
That’s not even remotely the point.
I also know that about 15-25% of Korea’s young female population is often extremely religious and remain virgins well into their 30’s. I also know 34-year-old HK Virgins who are “saving themselves for marriage”. (Both female, and, sadly, male.)
What do you want me to say?
I also know that most black people in the US, as a proportion of the total black population, are law-abiding and decent citizens. But I can go on to acknowledge without any contradiction that a significant proportion of black youth commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime, and that black culture enables this to a large degree, and that this is a very serious problem for everybody.
Do I have to preface every reaction of disgust, as yet another incidence of daily abuse occurs, with “I know not all black youth are like that, but, …” ? Do I have to self-censor in the interests of absolute fairness, to refrain from injuring someone else’s sensibilities?
Why the hell can’t we just be direct and to the point?
When there’s a relevant point to be made, do I need to couch everything in puffy terms of PC Completeness to make sure I don’t ruffle any feathers?
Please. Think about it. Do you do this? If you do, then how do you ever say anything at all?
What people are interested in are the larger points. The statistics that matter. The experiences that speak to a greater truth.
For example:
I know for a fact that the stereotype of Western guys in Korea or HK or China is the player, who gets divorced for slight reasons and who makes a bad mate. And yet, this doesn’t address the vast number of Chinese men and women who do the same thing, guys with multiple GFs and children by different women and secret lovers with separate families (hello, Korea), and Astronaut businessmen with a lover stashed in every village and guys who spend half their time with prostitutes, … and every single one of them, Chinese.
Who keeps the massive armies of Chinese prostitutes and “paid lovers” and “Golden-cage birds” well-fed, in money and busy? Chinese men do. Hordes of bored, desperate, undersexed and lonely Chinese men. Many of them are locked in dead, stultifying marriages, the so-called “Perfect Asian Marriages”, so Unlike Western Marriages, where the men feel the need to find paid entertainment elsewhere.
Don’t give me horse shit. I’ve seen it – the reality. The stereotype of Chinese love life is one unending and complete lie. Half the Chinese marriages I know of are utterly dead – at best, the men and women are there out of nothing more than familial obligation. Introduce divorce, and women are jumping at the chance to get out. Look at the divorce rate, now.
How about fraud marriages in China? I personally know of two guys who were tricked into getting married to nice, virginal (hah) young women and were divorced within two years- minus half of what they owned. Both women were connected to vaguely organized-crime/local-government apparatchiks who went into the marriages with the full intention of getting some cash out of it, from the beginning.
I know how Chinese society works. I talk to actual Chinese people in China. I interact with them. I worked with them. Absolutely everything on the public face is a complete lie.
Any honest Chinese will admit this. So few are honest about anything at all. Much of modern Chinese culture is nothing but an unremitting battle to hide layers upon layers of lies. If you’re Chinese, you know this far better than you want to admit.
You just tell me how much evidence you want me to spill out on this subject, and I’ll be absolutely happy to oblige.
How’s that for nuance?
How about this: The “player” stereotype we’re saddled with is as true for Chinese men, and may be even more true. I know lots of Chinese guys with doubled-up lovers or who make passes at girls who work for them. With wives at home. Yet it’s Westerners who get stereotyped for this.
Chinese girls are stereotyped as goody-two-shoes. I can assure you that they’re just as slutty or non-slutty as American women – the difference being they feel the need to hide it. Which means, when you meet one, you have no idea if she’s just come from a 3-hour long fuck session with her lover or not. She’s got an entire culture of face and lies to help her hide it.
Only the most beta Chinese fool would fall for the “innocent little girl” trick. Some of the time it’s true, but I’ve seen cute little 24-year-olds who seem like they’ve never imagined touching a male of any species turn around and ride a man’s dick with as much experience and enthusiasm as any Western college girl – and then flip back into Innocent Little Girl mode.
I’m sure you have rationalization hamsters specially trained to gloss over this sort of behavior. Oh, I know, it’s Not Really X or it’s Out Of Context or whatever bullshit:
It’s the same. The same human Female behavior. Except buried more deeply under Official Lies. And women need more aggressive Rationalization Machines to excuse themselves. But that’s all it is: Rationalization Machines.
These stereotypes Asians have about Asians are *TOTAL BULLSHIT*.
I’ve sat quietly while Koreans have told me X about their society, saying something which might appear true if you listen to them, but after 5 minutes of cursory examination it becomes obvious that what they said is at best only half-true – or at worst, not even remotely true. On the face of it, let alone in any depth.
Recently, the country passed a law saying that foreign English teachers need to get tested for AIDS, but not foreign teachers of Korean ethnic background or blood. Of course, this implies that DISEASE is a White/Black/S.Asian/WESTERN thing. Racially Korean people don’t carry disease – they’re Immune or something, Morally Superior. WTF? A white teacher from NZ needs to get tested, male or female, but a Korean-Blood American doesn’t?
ON THE OTHER HAND, I know – and every Korean guy knows – Korean men go off to Thailand and the Philippines to fuck little prostitutes all the time. AIDS? Please. Koreans are as slutty, if not MORESO, than any American. And if Koreans are honest even for a second, tney know that this is true – that their country is a hotbed of sexual repression, rebellion and frustration and it boils over all the time.
The bald two-facedness of Asian cultures is astounding. I laugh a hearty laugh at any notion of “Asian Moral Superiority” when it comes this this sort of shit.
Western culture is at least more honest about its problems. You can’t even discuss this stuff in Korea, and China (though they’re surprisingly slightly more honest in China, but not much, because the facts on the ground are just harder to deny).
If Korean culture is so pure and nice, and Koreans so innocent, why the hell are there hundreds of thousands of Love Hotels? And don’t tell me it’s Youth who go there to get away from their parents. It’s working men and women who are fucking each other – away from the prying eyes of their spouses. I know this is obviously true, and I know it’s true from interacting with Koreans at every level, but just try getting a Korean to admit it. Only when they’re drunk. And then you get the real story. Try writing about it: Koreans are obsessed with making sure nothing “bad” ever gets said about Korea, no matter how true. Social problems fester like open sores there, with no chance of ever being cured, because Koreans can be truly honest about anything.
If Chinese are so much more moral than Westerners, then what’s with the near-total corruption of Chinese society? And not just Mainland China – Taiwan, too? And I don’t even mean legal corruption: I mean, the way people treat each other? The way they cheat each other on a daily, even hourly or by-the-minute basis? The way the entire society is designed for one thing: ME ME ME ME ME?
You want to start with the inaccuracy that comes from having to simplify things, then I can go all Full Disclosure on you, if you like. We can talk about *EVERYTHING*. In excruciatingly minute detail. And why the “everything” happens.
I lived there. I worked with the hoi poloi and the mandarins. I saw these places from the inside. I dated their women and ate in their restaurants and listened to conversations and drank with their men and socialized like a human being with people without falling back on cultural stereotypes or illusions.
And you know what I found out?
They’re exactly like us. There’s nothing special or pure or wonderful about Asian cultures that isn’t also true on some level about every other culture on Earth, likely sinice the beginning of time.
Chinese women are still Human Females. With everything that implies. They follow the same instincts, are governed by the same biology, and their societies are riven by different versions of the same social processes that give us headaches.
I might SUGGEST to you, though, that comments on a blog are not the correct venue for this sort of thing.
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@Pound
Gorb,
What do you suggest to an Asian man when his mother is like that.
@Pound, don’t blame her. Remember this phrase, and apply it to every woman you ever meet:
She’s just a woman.
You have to remember, she has no idea what she’s doing. Their brains are programmed to run in any and every direction to prevent admitting that they do anything at all that might be bad, hypocritical or untoward. You should treat her with respect because she’s your mother, but just have some realistic ideas of what women are, and then you’ll find them all easier to deal with.
And, can I be honest? If you’re an Asian guy, I have just one piece of advice for you which you should follow:
Get away from your mom. Asian moms are the principal de-sexing devices for Asian men.
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@what
To Game Asian (Chinese HK) women, is about class. The lower the class the easier to game; the higher the class the harder to game. I remember this “truth teller” from earlier posts saying that it’s easier to game the darker skin Asian (Chinese)…..he is absolutely right on. I guess it depends what you are looking for.
@What, You’ve just illustrated that you know nothing about dating women – especially Asian women.
The classier the woman, the more refined and skilled the game you need. That’s true. BUT
The classier the woman, the MORE GAME YOU NEED.
Actually, the amount of game you need goes up exponentially the higher the class of woman you get to. By the time I got to China, I was getting pretty keen, and had game down to something of an Art in certain circumstances. Without that, there’s absolutely no way I could have “dated” rich women or well-educated women or powerful women. Which I did: and the one rule? The more influential and classy the woman, the tighter, more controlled, and more precise game you needed. But you definitely needed MORE GAME.
You clearly have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Some women think you can’t use game on some types of women. Those are exactly the types of women you need the most game to get.
Female – Rationalization – Hamster.
Men, watch it spin and learn.
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@What, I can’t believe you said that,
“I remember this “truth teller” from earlier posts saying that it’s easier to game the darker skin Asian (Chinese)…..he is absolutely right on. I guess it depends what you are looking for.”
What world do you live in that you judge people by their skin color??? I assure you that you can find noble darker skin girls, you can also find noble “lower class” girls. In my experience (as a female), how you act in a dating game has nothing to do with your education, career, money, and just about anything else except for his/her experience level, moral(religion) and family value, and maybe a few more things depending on this person’s personality.
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Asians are too amoral and tightly wound for me.
No thanks.
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I didn’t follow that conversation, but I’m going to jump in and riducule the attitude that a female has any introspective capability regarding what makes her happy, or that females ever make plans based on what ultimately makes them happy. Females make plans based on status. What other people perceive of them.
I once had a girl choose another man to marry instead of me because he had a US passport. She quickly became revolted by him, and would fuck him about once a month. Became depressed and suicidal. But she HAD to live in the US, and follow her career ambitions. Because in her head she wanted her parents to be proud. She wanted to look a certain way to others – to have achieved a certain thing with a certain wow factor. To appear successful.
Happiness didn’t enter into it.
Women make decisions based on babies and status. Never trust her thought processes to guide her reasonably. Manipulate her. It’s ultimately your responsibility what your woman does – women have weak minds. You must never think she has an equal voice or any mental processes that give her individuality. Manipulate her. It’s your job.
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@Gorb,
“The classier the woman, the MORE GAME YOU NEED.”
haha! You can’t even read right. You are saying exactly what I have said. Classy, wealthy, rich says nothing about their upbringing. The well raise, old money, modest family lighter skinned Asian (Chinese HK) women are what I am referring to.
Wonder what YOU’VE dated? ha!
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@what
@Gorb,
“The classier the woman, the MORE GAME YOU NEED.”
haha! You can’t even read right.
I read right.
You are saying exactly what I have said. Classy, wealthy, rich says nothing about their upbringing. The well raise, old money, modest family lighter skinned Asian (Chinese HK) women are what I am referring to.
OOOOOHHHHHH – you mean HK Chinese old money?
Well, I lived in mainland China. HK only for 8 months. So my HK time doesn’t really count. I had a GF or two, of sorts, for much of the time and didn’t slut around. But I know guys who do.
Those old-money light-skinned (btw, I pretty much only date light-skinned Asian women when I do), modest family (not rich) – well, I tell you, I know guys who date and even marry these girls, some of them Asian-American and some white, and they’re the same. These women aren’t Special Flowers.
Give me a break. Any guy who believes you has to be fooling himself. It’s like saying some woman in the US is immune to game. Whatever.
Wonder what YOU’VE dated? ha!
Wouldn’t you like to know.
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Functionally, this is accurate. But you can reframe the shit test as a power play. It’s not a test at all – she truly wants to win, and is truly trying to win power. When a man wins, she settles down, much to her surprise. She’ll never know or admit that she wanted him to win. And she’ll never stop trying to win – if any opportunity arises, she’ll again make her gambit.
Having hand over women comes with practice. I was surprised to learn that it was even possible, and the rewards were such that I’ve tried to learn to be better at it. My entire attitude towards women is vastly different than when I was a twentyager. Back then I didn’t even realize women constantly tooled men, that this was their job in life. I had no clue that men could win at womens game, and become more of a man in the process.
Having hand over women isn’t merely passing her test of fitness. It dominating her weak little easily manipulated baby brain.
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Xsplat, but the babies thing is a monster in a woman’s decisionmaking process.
So I’m going to speak up and say that the original post is off due to selection bias.
The author likely tends to pick feminine women, and these are in it ultimately for the baby. If a guy isn’t father-of-my-children material, then as soon as she figures that out, the countdown begins.
So the fault finding isn’t because of the guy’s betatude, but because of his alphatude. He’s reaching the bitch expiration date, and she’s tallying up the cons in order to steel herself for the necessary breakup.
If she’s a kind of goody two-shoes princess like myself who hates being wrong, she’ll let it run its course and you’ll think it was your idea to get rid of her. This is what I like to call a “Jedi mind trick”. I’ve already decided due to behavior over time that the guy’s expired, but I’m waiting for him to drop the hammer so I can say he’s a dog.
The best thing to do is walk away because if indeed you were just there for the sex, then your (and her) value as a plaything is limited, and you’ve reached it. If you don’t want to keep her for the long term, there’s no point in making a big deal out of this. You should be seeing other women or at least have another on standby anyway.
Just one thing: don’t crawl back. Ever. Don’t play hard. Be hard…because if you play hard and change your mind later, you are going to have to do the equivalent of crawling over broken glass to get her trust back. You will not out-wait a woman.
Not only can we deny ourselves a very long time, all but the most hideous of us can always find some guy to occupy our time. Whatever you may think of her looks, you’re not the first guy to ever get the bright idea to bang a fug.
So get what you wanted and get out. If you’re going to stick around, the right game is unmovable, not cavalier, because a woman who intends to make some babies and isn’t an idiot is not going to waste her time on a social and reproductive dud for long.
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@Gorb
“Give me a break. Any guy who believes you has to be fooling himself. It’s like saying some woman in the US is immune to game. Whatever.”
I repeat….you can’t even read right..I didn’t say that.
“Wonder what YOU’VE dated? ha!
Wouldn’t you like to know.”
I have my speculations. lol!!! Not light skinned though no way. You can’t get those.! ha!
“modest family (not rich)”
When I say modest, I’m not saying NOT wealthy (actually very wealthy…with class not flaunting), just low key with showing their wealth.
“These women aren’t Special Flowers.”
You have no idea. ha! GORB!
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Grifter bags 2500 Women
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343507/Fraudster-King-Con-claims-hes-earned-2million-crime–slept-2-500-women-hes-released-prison.html#ixzz1A5I5gjUp
I can attest to this; I bagged 6 models in 2001, when i was an unemployed i-banker for 18 mos. Meanwhile as a mukti 6 figure employed banker I avgeraged 1/yr.
Just said “I am a consultant”…followed with silence and direct eye contact/
Avg women cant tell if you work in mailroom or boardroom at Goldman Sachs.
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This post is GOLD.
Acknowledge and Amplify or just dodging it with something humorous!. My favorite is bringing up stupid things about my turtle and it works with generating a laugh sometimes. She knows i am not in mood for stupid bullshit.
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Nicole
This is why I like to serial date girls in their early twenties. You take a year or two out of her life, and let her move on. The biological clock has all the time in the world, and there is no pressure on the relationship for kids.
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My wife talks much more than I do. One month last year, I had 28 minutes on my cell phone. She probably had 450.
The trick is to let her gab with her girlfriends as much as she likes. This allows her to burn off her verbal nervous energy while sparing me the aggrivation. Most of what she is saying is not important and uninteresting to a guy anyway.
This also frees me up to do my guy things which she is not really interested in also. A good or succesful relationship does not necessarialy mean spending every second with that person. In fact, it is probably healthy not to.
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@Professor Woland
I fully expect an epidemic of brain cancer in about 10-15 years. Women with many, many more cases than men.
Women absolutely LOVE cellphones and superglue them to their ears (with all the lovely radiation pounding away at their blood-brain barrier).
Just a matter of time before Kupcake gets her brain cancer.
Have your wife use the speakerphone.
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@schfifty five
No asshole, he was just a tiny bit more alpha than James Dean, and then he goes and pulls that shit.
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@what
I see you are denying Gorby’s claims that Asian women are all alike, but aren’t backing it up with anything.
Please do tell us your account. I need something to laugh over while sipping on my vodka.
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@Gorby
“”HK:
A whole different story. Got money? Everything is for sale.
You need major game to score in HK. If you have it, …
You can rack it up nicely.
Ask Walawala about that. Everything he says is exactly on the mark.
Shanghai dating is starting to resemble HK in most major respects, but more crass (if that’s possible).””
Earlier I wrote about flipping the switch on Chinese women when gaming them—cocky funny, then suddenly surprising them when it gets serious.
Stability. Stability often means…has money.
When a HK or Chinese woman is giving you IOI’s, these questions pop-up:
“Where are you from?”—very important in the social pecking order. Europe has a particular allure lately…especially Eastern Europe for some particular reason.
“What do you do?”—you can be cocky funny for a while, but this is very important. It should be “stable”….ie lucrative.
“Will you go back?”—obvious, back to the “Stability”
I was involved with a Mainland woman quite recently.
I dumped her after she started waffling on coming to visit me.
She wanted me to pay for her trip. Reason? “You’re the man”. Right. “I want someone to take care of me.”
That ended things fairly quickly when I replied: “I thought you were different. I see you differently now.”
I love this blog….
Her reaction was immediately defensive and remorseful etc etc. Then suddenly she wanted to come and see me.
I said, forget it.
Gorby’s giving you the back story and details behind the thinking but that’s how it goes.
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Xplat:
Having hand over women comes with practice. I was surprised to learn that it was even possible […]
[…]Having hand over women isn’t merely passing her test of fitness. It dominating her weak little easily manipulated baby brain.
If it took you half a lifetime to learn how to manipulate women at all, how can you say their brains are weak and easily manipulated, unless you’re being excessively modest?
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@gradatyskie
@what
“I see you are denying Gorby’s claims that Asian women are all alike, but aren’t backing it up with anything.
Please do tell us your account. I need something to laugh over while sipping on my vodka.”
I’m laughing already! lol!!…oh and sipping on ice tea. I don’t drink. hehe!!
@walawala
“I was involved with a Mainland woman quite recently.
I dumped her after she started waffling on coming to visit me.
She wanted me to pay for her trip. Reason? “You’re the man”. Right. “I want someone to take care of me.””
Mainlanders!!! You can’t compare HK women with Mainlanders. NO comparison. Right, of course…I’m not surprised…Mainlanders WANT you to pay. That’s Mainlanders. Please don’t insult HK women by comparing them to mainlanders….pleeease.
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@(r)Evolutionary
Back to the current subject at hand–Asian culture. Any comments on how Vietnamese people & culture fits into the rubric described above?
My exposure to Vietnamese is limited; mostly here in the US. Hence, I’m no authority of any kind.
However, here’s my impression:
– As a culture and people, not nearly as clever as the N-E Asians, nor as successful, economically;
– Divided overseas: They have “Vietnamese” and “Vietnamese-Chinese” – basically, southern Chinese who became “ethnic Chinese” in Vietnam, intermarried a little (obviously) but are obsessed with distinguishing themselves from the Vietnamese – though the difference to outsiders, including to mainland Chinese, is minimal, frankly. They’re just different versions of Vietnamese, though the Chinese-Vietnamese can get miffed if you suggest this. They see themselves as at least separate, if not actually superior. Chinese Superiority Complex and the fact that they’re not “Superior” in the eyes of the actual Chinese.
– The women are generally smaller: shorter, thinner, tinier. The men are, too, but I don’t care as much about them.
– They tend to get rolly-polly as they age. There are some quite chubby Vietnamese, especially overseas. Their food might have something to do with this.
– Women: There are super-hot Vietnamese women. Among Asians, the Vietnamese can often be the sexiest around – the near-perfect shape, well-endowed in exactly the right places, happens more often in SE Asia than it does elsewhere in the region. Some women can be very, very well-endowed, for women anywhere let alone Asians. Beautiful, maybe not; but severely fuckable – yes.
– Interesting genetics. You should look up current research. Links all over the place. Really cool history. They’re suspicious of everyone for really damned good reason. They trashed the Chinese in a short but sweet little border war in 1979. The Chinese still claim they won, though they suffered humiliating defeats. Over the last 1000 years, They beat back the Chinese, the Khmer, the Thai, the Chinese again, the Laos, the French, Japs, the French again, the Americans and the Chinese again – really serious little bastards, those Vietnamese.
– DATING
Like other SE Asians, they tend to be less racist and less picky about mates; there are more black-Asian pairs among Vietnamese. Some Vietnamese can be really dark, anyway. American soldiers were relatively popular there. They have no sense of cultural superiority, being the trashed-on highway of SE Asia, so they ix pretty freely.
It’s very, very common to see super-hot Vietnamese with a clearly bad-assed black dude or bald, tattoed white guy. You an also see them gracing the arms of well-mannered classy guys, too; and a very hot one will sometimes be claimed by another Asian.
Like the Philippinas, they have fewer barriers to marrying out than the Koreans did (or do).
THAT SAID
Their culture is very conservative, and often they only socially mix with each other; there’s a core group that resists assimilation anywhere, whether it’s LA or Viet business communities in Cambodia or HK. They guard their women closely.
Still, when you hear of black guys with Asians, chances are it’s Philippinas, Thais or (much less often) Vietnamese.
I dated one Vietnamese woman. It’s not a viable sample in any measure, but I have this to say:
Scorching hot.
But in truth, as will be obvious to any Vietnamese reading this, I have no inside knowledge and anything I know is just from casual observation of the most superficial kind. For example, guys tell me game should be HARD and serious ASSHOLE game does wonders; but they tend to hit up the kind of women I wouldn’t go for. I know there are severe class/social structure divisions among Vietnamese, so I suspect that game users’ mileage may vary.
I would suggest asking someone from the West Coast or someone who spent more time in SE Asia.
But I’m right on the money for sexy as opposed to beautiful. You should check it out. They tend to age less well than NE Asians, but damn, when they’re 18-30. Holy crap.
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Mainland women are sooooo much easier to game. They see you guys as a ticket! That’s why the questions to check your status and where you’re from…to see where the ticket can take her. wake up and smell the coffee.
None of my Asian guy friends would ever game a Mainland woman.
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@what
Mainland women are sooooo much easier to game. They see you guys as a ticket! That’s why the questions to check your status and where you’re from…to see where the ticket can take her. wake up and smell the coffee.
None of my Asian guy friends would ever game a Mainland woman.</I.
@What, you're very cute, but I think you don't know what game is.
Because HK women have more money and are more stable and come from better-off families and tend to be well-educated, this means you actually need to game these women even harder.
You can't just show up with the right money and job and education and background and try to get through the filters. You can do this, but most men will fail.
A guy who can mimic this, and then throw in hard game – will always beat out other men. Women are women are women: it's the same basal psychology.
Game works on *all* women. *All* the time.
There are no exceptions. You always need game.
You just have to change the style or format.
I think perhaps you don't know what game actually is.
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Markku
Women are naturally better at having hand, through instinct. Men are able to eventually gain hand over women, through intellect and understanding and skill.
Men are in the end far superior to game than are women, as we can bring in the technical skills and understandings that a woman can’t. Because women are stupid.
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Gorbachev,
you’re killing me. I know you can’t read Chinese, but I am not writing in Chinese haha!! I KNOW. i KNOW. I KNOW. Yes..HK women need more game. I am saying the same thing…( puling my LONG hair out!!! and screaming at the same time!!!!). I am saying Mainland women need LESS game. They are easier. omg!!! I’ve been reading this blog long enough to know what game is and hehe…I have been gamed too you know!!!!
I AM cuter than you. hehe!!
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@xsplat,
I don’t want to ruin Chateau’s post to talk off the topic, but you are making a dangerous statement here:
“Men are in the end far superior to game than are women, as we can bring in the technical skills and understandings that a woman can’t. Because women are stupid.”
This statement is made under the assumption that Tecnical skills are SUPERIOR than Emotional skills. Now WHO said that is the universal value? There are tons of “genius” with idiot level EQ, now would you say they are better than those people with high EQ and average IQ?
For one, I can find a list of female scientists to put down that “only men have superior technical skills” statement.
For two, depending on the fields we are competing in, if competing in fields other than technical, say calming down a baby, would men win? Even Olympics have more than one game, how can you make conclusion based on the score of only one game?
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Seaswan, either I’m not following your argument, or you are not following mine.
I’m not talking about universals, and if eq is better than IQ. I’m talking about being better at a particular task, using all means available. Men win. Because we have a superior skill set.
How many female scientists and engineers are there proportionally? The above average male who has the werewithal to understand NLP is miles above any female in capability. He will use conscious effort, which will eventually become unconscious and internalized.
All females get is a superior initial starting system. You’ll never in your life meet a female capable of NLP. There may exist a handful of outliers, but on the whole, females are simply too stupid for such mental feats.
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@xsplat
By the way, what book do you recommend for beginners on NLP?
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Pro, I never studied it directly. As a teenager I studied hypnosis and auto-suggestion. Throughout my life I’ve paid a lot of attention to the craft of writing. Here and there I’ve read research articles about engendering perception bias. The principle of NLP is all you really need. Group concepts together to create a mood. To become persuasiveness embodied, you need a firm hand on tempo, and a heavy foot on rhythm. You whole being creates a mood, and a presence, and ever syllable creates an effect.
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This discussion is losing its flavor; like chewing gum left on the bedpost overnight.
Brute-Force Game: Get her to a semi-private place and just grab her crotch and rub it hard. The less private the better.
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@GBFM
I see Mark Zuckerberg got lotsa valuations from the Goldman Sax, just like you said on your awesome blog months ago. What say you now?
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Some people here say logic is useless with women. True for most. But the ones I like are always smart enough that they can handle logic if they want to, and are proud of that. Unless she’s a lawyer chick, or a really unusually argumentative girl, you still won’t succeed by brilliantly out-arguing her, but you CAN handle the situations treated here by showing that you don’t respect her emotional womanish attitude, because she won’t be able to fool herself that she really had the better of the argument.
Again, this advice is only for gaming smart girls, I think the author’s advice is probably right on target for everyone else.
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“I’m not talking about universals, and if eq is better than IQ. I’m talking about being better at a particular task, using all means available. Men win. Because we have a superior skill set.
How many female scientists and engineers are there proportionally? The above average male who has the werewithal to understand NLP is miles above any female in capability. He will use conscious effort, which will eventually become unconscious and internalized.
All females get is a superior initial starting system. You’ll never in your life meet a female capable of NLP. There may exist a handful of outliers, but on the whole, females are simply too stupid for such mental feats.”
Females are better at folk psychology , and this gives them an edge in a lot of interpersonal activities, but folk psychology will only take you so far, in the same way that a folk physics does not have the explanatory power of quantum mechanics and general relativity.
Men are better at applying systematic thinking and counter-intuitive ways of thinking. So principles from a field like evolutionary psychology which is not the intuitive way of understanding other minds, but has more explanatory power will be grasped by men more than women.
Women will find it very hard to go against their immediate intuitions, whereas men are much better at reflection, and seeing past the “illusion” or “limitation” of some aspects of intuition to a more scientific perspective.
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This advice is good for LTRs too, including marriage. Its what what women would call, a “sense of humour”. Thumbs up.
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Gorbachev, what you wrote down about Asian cultures is gold. Please post it as a game article on the Spearhead.
Seconded. Gorby’s posts on this thread (and walawala’s, too) are fucking brilliant.
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good read.
one thing tho i dont see discussed much, is how to keep an alpha demeanor if a girl compliments you. just saying “thanks” to “you’re lookin good” or other compliments is hella weak. in the same boat just laughing to a come-on is weak too. any suggestions?
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I enjoy the fuck out of Gorby’s posts, and the others who comment on Asian culture or pussy in a more general way so long as they’re thoughtful, but why are you all giving “what” any attention by responding to her?
It is so obvious that even I can see it, but all you’re doing at this point is giving a woman free attention. And in my opinion attention costs pussy or some other valuable resource because women place a great deal of value on attention. So I never give it away under any conditions.
Personally in every area of life I’d rather destroy a resource than give it away without any reciprocity, even if that reciprocity just consists of feeling warm and fuzzy because I helped someone truly deserving help in cases of charity.
Conversely, what offers nothing, not even interesting counterpoints or entertaining responses to being trolled. Therefore she deserves nothing. I don’t see why anyone continues offering her attention, a valuable resource, for nothing of value in return.
So why do you do it? Does it entertain you? Do you feel her responses’ content inherently justify the content of your posts? I’m curious.
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Total off topic, found this interesting:
http://firstfriday.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/shine-a-light-premiere-the-stones-scorsese-and-politics-good-times/
a pic of Grover Norquist and Dennis Kucinich together with their two hot wives. The website states how there couldn’t be 2 men more different, but at some gathering for a scorsese’s rolling stones movie they got to talking. I wonder what kind of “forces” would bring these two men together.
No idea what this site is btw, I was just reading about grover norquist, and then I googled for pics of his wife.
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Hux, you nailed it. My personal reaction – for I do not like to be insulted – is usually to respond to shit tests by transforming the dog into delicious dog stew.
When I was burning one girl I had been with for three years for repeatedly shit-testing me for months, she managed to get me on the phone even though I had blocked her number out. She cried desperately, unable to articulate anything – I have never seen such strong emotion before or after. All I did during that call is tell her like 10 times to f’ing stop calling me, before hanging up on her.
For her, this was a complete departure from my usual kind and playful character. She was caught completely unprepared. Her problem that day was that I am not usually afraid of standing by a decision once I have made it.
If every guy were to do this, could this break the prisoner’s dilemma I see here? In my view, smooth-talking men may be in fact encouraging shit-testing by not punishing it swiftly and severly enough. Once a girl gets burned the hard way a few times she’ll stop.
Or will she?
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BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN
Why American men should boycott American women
http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/
I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?
American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.
This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.
BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!
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@donki
Well, I always think that humor tops violence. Humor shows more control, while brute force rarely works. Besides, any kind of open force with a woman in Femerica can put the Sheriff in your living room. Not good.
The threat must be IMPLIED.
The Godfather didn’t say, “Well, I’m gonna chop his favorite horse’s head off and put it in his bed.”
Instead, he said, “I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse.”
Laughter and head-nodding around the room. The message was understood and the threat was implied.
This is how you must act with women. She gives you shit? Quietly stand up, walk over to the door, open it, and say, “Hey, I gotta go. I mean, I gotta go somewhere to get warm. You have my number. Buh-bye.”
The woman will ABSOLUTELY flip-out and start calling you frantically about 30 seconds after you’re gone.
‘Nuf said.
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@donki, from a girl’s perspective, Yes she will stop. She will realize it is not fun to talk to a rock, or a super computer. BUT, you will be living in the hell of her hatred for a long time-depending on the person. And there is no guarantee that you won’t have your car smashed or house on fire–again depending on the person, never heard news like that? Have you been watching shows like Judge Judy? With Emotions, anything could happen, use your imaginations!
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Roissy, recently a lot of your posts have been relevant to LTR game or at least the point past seduction. For someone like me (who handles relationships well or doesn’t want them), this is skim-worthy. I feel the weakest part of my game is initial attraction and/or transition to comfort building. I doubt I’m alone…posts on these topics would be greatly appreciated!
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Conversely, what offers nothing, not even interesting counterpoints or entertaining responses to being trolled. Therefore she deserves nothing. I don’t see why anyone continues offering her attention, a valuable resource, for nothing of value in return.
So why do you do it? Does it entertain you? Do you feel her responses’ content inherently justify the content of your posts? I’m curious.
They need some means to morally distinguish between their vision of “Chinese/Korean/Asian” Womanhood and women anywhere else. They don’t bother with men, because they know that Asian men are total dogs and will whip it out at the first opportunity whenever they can.
“OH, that’s different. She’s Japanese.”
“Oh, that’s different. She’s from Shanghai.”
“Oh, that’s different. She’s an office-worker.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her parents are in a different city.”
“Oh, that’s different. She got married too young.”
“Oh, that’s different. She goes out dancing.”
“Oh, that’s different. She lived abroad for a year.”
“Oh, that’s different. She went to a big university.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her older sister was too strict.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her older sister dumped her.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her family was good, but she worked for that company where she met lots of guys.”
“Oh, that’s different. She was on vacation, that doesn’t count.”
Oh my God, I’ve heard it all.
(The best ones are about the Japanese. “Asians don’t do that.” “What about this girl?” “She’s Japanese.” “Japanese aren’t Asian?” “That’s different.”
WTF?
Or “She’s not *really* Chinese – she’s Malaysian Chinese.” Or “She’s Thai, they’re all whores.” Or “She’s a big city girl, from Beijing. That’s different.” Or, “She’s from HK. You know HK girls.” Or, “She’s Korean. It’s not the same as other Asians.”
Basically any shit said about “Asians” is utterly meaningless, but the Asian Racists just don’t listen. For them, they see an Asian face, they fall fast into stereotypes. When Asian men do this, they often get fucked over. It happens all the time.
I love the whole Western Guys Are Dogs stereotype. I have NEVER seen playboys and quiet cheaters as competent at it as Asian guys. Asian men are *far* more likely to cheat on their wives than Western guys, but the stereotype is the opposite. It is to laugh.
The only different about Asian societies is that they lie and hide the truth far more effectively.
Asians today are, in their sexual behaviors, more or less identical to Westerners – maybe 10-15 years behind, but in other ways much less conservative.
But Asians can never admit anything. “Oh, that’s just Japan – it doesn’t count. That’s Hong Kong, it doesn’t count.” Etc.)
I guarantee that if @what has 10 friends who she thinks are pure and nice and morally upstanding, 3-4 of those are definitely not, and 1-3 of the rest can be tempted in the right scenario. And that there’s no way for her to tell which one is which.
I don’t personally care what @what thinks. But there are likely lots of lurkers who should know that there are people out there, non-Insiders, like me, who know the real story.
Asian women are legendary in their ability to tool and manipulate Asian men. Asian men have to know how these women think. They should be fore-armed.
The whole myth about Asian female chastity and superior loyalty is exactly that: A myth. It’s used for one purpose, and that’s to control Asian men.
White racist women use guilt, shame and racism to control their men. Conservatives use traditional values. Asians do the same, but throw in cultural superiority and Asian Female Purity into the mix.
It’s all illusion. In the end, it’s all nothing but complex mechanisms to control men and to make themselves feel better.
Basically, it’s just human female behavior. The same shit we get over here, the same basic behavior, with some Asian spice.
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“Oh, that’s different. Her older sister dumped her.”
Was supposed to say “her first BF dumped her”.
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Great stuff, Gorbachev.
I think the key is to marry a woman from a poor country, but not TOO poor.
They get all their guile from the economic conditions in which they’re living.
Rich countries with high standard of living?
SWAMPED with entitlement princesses ready to balloon to 300 pounds, starting with the wedding cake you paid for; then they cash you out 8 years into the marriage, with the Sheriff enforcing alimony and child support for next 20 years. As for you? You die of a heart-attack at 46 living in the woods in a single-wide trailer, working three jobs, trying to pay all the bills.
Poor countries with low standard of living?
SWAMPED with sharks looking for a fat wallet. Your foreign Kupcake will claim DV, divorce you, and once she gets her green card, will get permanent residency in the U.S. as a result. Then she’ll shack up with a boyfriend from her home country. As for you? Accused of domestic violence, you get to meet Tyrone in prison, on a MORE than friendly basis.
Poor, yet not too poor, country with a fairly decent standard of living but lots of disorganization?
NOW you’re talking. Here is where the only sweethearts left of the planet reside. Not to poor to be desperate, and not too rich to be insufferable. Better get ’em quick, though, before TV and the Internet ruins them all.
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@xsplat
sadly, as ‘science’ becomes less about real science and more about politics, the proportion of women in the scientific fields will increase.
@seaswan
of course we have all heard about psycho women smashing cars and torching houses. have you heard about women getting beat down by men? perhaps there may be some sort of correlation there.
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chris rock ftw:
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@ITSME
Don’t forget the NASA astronaut chick who drove a thousand miles in DIAPERS to bitch-slap “the other woman”
http://www.denverpost.com/sitemap/ci_5167528
The “before-and-after” photos are PRICELESS.
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Gorb,
Hands to my mouth, trying to stop myself from bursting out in uncontrollable laughter!!! BAHHHHHHHHH!!! OMG my stomach is hurting.hehehhe!! Anonymous….you’re right…Gorb IS entertaining. LOL!!!! I guess he WINS!!!
My personal highlight:
“OH, that’s different. She’s Japanese.”
“Oh, that’s different. She’s from Shanghai.”
“Oh, that’s different. She’s an office-worker.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her parents are in a different city.”
“Oh, that’s different. She got married too young.”
“Oh, that’s different. She goes out dancing.”
“Oh, that’s different. She lived abroad for a year.”
“Oh, that’s different. She went to a big university.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her older sister was too strict.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her older sister dumped her.”
“Oh, that’s different. Her family was good, but she worked for that company where she met lots of guys.”
“Oh, that’s different. She was on vacation, that doesn’t count.”
Oh my God, I’ve heard it all”
Classic! lol!!!! you’re good!!!! lol!!!!
“Asian women are legendary in their ability to tool and manipulate Asian men. Asian men have to know how these women think. They should be fore-armed.”
JUST Asian men?!!! hahha!!
“The whole myth about Asian female chastity and superior loyalty is exactly that: A myth. It’s used for one purpose, and that’s to control Asian men.”
JUST Asian men?!!!! hahahhahhah!!
OHHHHH…WOOOO… yes….we LOOOOOVE to control men…in many waaaaays… hehehe!!
“Basically, it’s just human female behavior. The same shit we get over here, the same basic behavior, with some Asian spice.”
I like the Asian spice bit……some Hoi Sin or dark soya sauce will really spice it up! lol!!! you’re great! Please teach me more…..pleeeease. hahhahah!!!
Gorb, I don’t know what you’re smoking, but it must be some REAL GOOD shit! lol!!!hahhahha!!
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Logical thinking in women is circumstantial and tends to fluctuate. But in the midst of an amygdala charged spell it’s not gonna happen. Various expressions of physical and verbal dominance are probably good advice. @Rum crotch-grabbing approach; why should she get rewarded for bad behavior?
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I would like my relationships to last longer; as unlike the Chateau host I would like to form a family in the near future*. And Hux, I think we are getting somewhere with the Godfather analogy.
However, your threat also needs to be credible. If you go out and she knows you’ll merely get drunk and come back, that’s bad. Now Mr. Corleone was known to convert words into deeds if necessary.
My girls don’t usually believe that I can get very tough if I want to, because of my usual kindness and lack of seriousness (is that “beta”?). I do not know how to establish a tough reputation in a LTR.
* I love kids. Moreover, I do a lot of business with Middle Easteners. Almost the first thing they usually ask for is a pic of your wife and kids. Ain’t got none? No cred, no deal.
OT, the best answer to “Do you have a family?”, for them, is probably “Yeah, fourth wife and counting…”
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“We here at the Chateau know the reason why she has morphed into a human resources department assistant manager: you lost your alpha mojo. Her complaints, more often than not utterly baseless trumped-up charges, are simply mediums through which she contextualizes your emerging betatude.”
No. The reason this happens is because the slut fucked another dude and now she holds a grudge against you because she did that to you. She will make up the most silly accusations because of GUILT. Now, the reason she fucked another guy might well be that you lost your alpha mojo.
On the other hand, guys act similarly. When we fucked another woman we react with fucking up the emotional connection the first girl and also getting tired of her poon. It’s not just a matter of a girls hotness how fast you get tired of a girl. This process is accelerated by guilt from fucking another girl.
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“This process is accelerated by guilt from fucking another girl.”
You get over it. Some men find they can maintain several girls with no cognitive dissonance, and no loss of love between girls.
My two main girls actually regularly talk on the phone! And my virgin ping pong buddy who I naked sleep with knows of my two girls. And my personal assistant gives me blow jobs regularly, and has met all three.
And I have no qualms about the 16 year old (almost 17!) who plans to visit me this month.
Love is not monogamous any more than sex it.
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In other words, I’m faithful to all my girls.
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xsplat: What tactic do you use in order to make them accept this? My experience is that girls don’t like girls and may even become very hostile towards eachother.
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Neuropa, I use no tactic. Once they are in love and addicted, they really have no choice, do they? Acceptance follows as the last of 5 stages.
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xsplat, how do you make em stick so fucking hard? I can barely get them to fall in love and there’s do damn much competition. Girls ideas of themselves shoot through the roof. I have to DHV x 10 always.
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Well, Neuropa, I’ve been writing here for about three years, doing my best to explain tips and tricks and attitudes and views. It boils down to being Marlon Brando alpha, while at the same time being very romantic and sensitive. Use all the alpha and beta attractiveness buttons, simultaneously, as well as in alternation. Mix in a the deep loving bonding with the s&m. A lot if it is sexual, but not all, because my health has been horrible this last year and only lately and I beginning to get any stamina back, and one girl I have was frigid until recently.
You can totally own a girl. I ache to share how. I honestly believe people don’t want to know. I guess no one wants that much responsibility.
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xsplat, 1st: i really appreciate you taking your time. trust me, i want to know.
I’ve been reading roissy for 2 yrs (not so much the comments but sometimes). I’ve tried to change myself into alpha in every aspect i could think of (talking, body language, attitude, thoughts, behaviour).
Sure, changed my life and status a lot but mostly socially. I didn’t get any more poon or higher quality poon. And that sucked. A lot of the girls who i wish was interested weren’t but at least respected me or even feared me. I’m not a cocky guy or a confident guy. I am the MOST cocky guy, the MOST confident guy.
Lately I kept the alpha frame but softened it up with what you call s&m, like real romance and connection. it works! I didn’t learn that from roissy.
So what I’m trying to say here is that I’m already doing the stuff you’re talking about but still ain’t getting the poon I want. I’m wondering if it’s even possible for me to be sexually satisfied in a 1st world country.
And about Brando, wasn’t this the dude who first said this:
and then did this:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRANDO+APOLOGIZES+TO+JEWISH+LEADERS.-a083946187
Is that alpha or beta? Brando’s like a lesser alpha. Not a killer.
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For all of you guys considering finding a foreign woman for marriage and family, be careful. The very thing about these women that make them attractive to you (non-American) can end up causing you great pain. Look to the case of David Goldman, a new Jersey resident married to a Brazilian national as your cautionary tale. In 2004, Goldman’s then wife Bruna Bianchi took their 4 year old son, Sean, down to Brazil for what was to be a 2 week vacation. She didn’t come back. She divorced him, re-married and got pregnant by her new husband. She died in childbirth, but her new husband and her family refused to return his own son to him. After 5 years of wrangling, the Brazilian Court finally ruled that his son be returned. The fact that the Brazilian relatives were child kidnappers as per the 1980 Hague Convention apparently held NO sway with the Brazilian government. The fact that she could divorce her American husband without his consent and remarry (the Brazilian husband was a well-connected lawyer, so he could probably get a judge friend to sign off on whatever he needed) shows the Brazilian government simply does not acknowledge our legal system, and will favor their own nationals even when they’ve committed an international crime. Goldman finally got his son back around Christmas 2009 after some 40 appeals filed by the Brazilian family (only one of which was substantive – the rest were procedural nonsense designed to stall). This was a highly publicized case, but there are HUNDREDS of similar cases active.
I believe China is even worse. I can’t remember the name of the individual, but he was an American that was working in China, met a woman and married her and had two kids with her. They returned to the US to live, and after a few more years he filed for divorce. She boarded a plane and brought the children back to China behind his back. Apparently, China does not have joint custody – one parent or the other gets custody, and the custodial parent decides if the other parent can see or speak with the children AT ALL. And this applies to their own citizens as well. Knowing the law, the American father went back to China to in essence “steal” the kids back, and was of course arrested and jailed. I’m not sure about the resolution of this case, but I know his lawyer had the very same thing happen to him – his child was kidnapped by his ex, never to be seen or heard from again. So gentlemen…be careful. She may be a joy when things are good, but if things go sour foreign women can be EVERY bit as vindictive as American ones.
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