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Fooling Golddiggers

January 5, 2011 by CH

Men universally overestimate the importance of money to attracting women. This is probably so because the relatively chaotic, amorphous nature of psychological game is harder for men to comprehend than is a hard objective metric like money. It’s much simpler to say to a man: “First you make the money, then you get the power. Then when you get the power, you get the women.”

The problem with this plan of action is that, one, it’s highly inefficient, and, two, most women — and this includes hot women — aren’t aroused by a man with money nearly as much as men think they are. Women are attracted to an alpha attitude — AKA game — which can be correlated with money. But money is not a necessary condition for embodying the alpha attitude. There are easier ways to attract women for sexual congress and loving LTRs than slaving for years in a corporate gig saving every penny to afford a monster mortgage or risking prison in the drug trade.

Furthermore, there is this misperception out there that money automatically equates to power, which is something that girls do indeed find very arousing in a man. But we all know souped-up IT and finance nerds making well into the six figures who struggle with their dating lives. Power is more a state of mind, or a will to attitude, than a blessing that flows from big bucks. The shiftless badboy with the motorcycle and smirk has more power over women’s hearts than the well-paid CFO who sucks up to women by throwing free meals and unearned gifts at them.

Naturally, all else equal, having money will help your pickup more than not having money. But the “all else equal” is the key qualifier. If you are looking to get more bangs for your buck, so to speak, working longer harder hours to amass bank is not the way to do it. When you realize that most women worth fucking don’t care all that much about how much money you make, you understand that the road to gratification leads away from the path laid down by conventional wisdom.

As long as you make a decent living (i.e. don’t live in a cardboard box), have a car (unless you reside in the heart of a major urban center or lead a traveling lifestyle), have some stylish threads, and keep a clean, cared-for home, the money factor evaporates for all but the most die-hard golddiggers. Remember, a man’s ambition is one of the traits women love. Whatever financial reward he has earned from his ambitious undertakings is almost irrelevant, like icing on the cake.

Maxim #49: Waving a roll of benjamins at a woman will not give her tingles. In fact, it will often do the opposite.

But this post is about that small minority of femme fatales who are dedicated golddiggers. They exist, especially in feverishly status conscious enclaves, and it’s in your interest as a man to smoke them out early and take advantage of them before they have a chance to take advantage of you. Once you get good at fooling golddiggers, you can corral them into loving relationships with you that monopolize many of their prime years, leaving them splintery husks on the downslope hustling pasty-faced betas with nothing but credit card game, while memories of you haunt their dreams.

None of the below tips are an acceptable substitute for tight game, but they will add to your aura of mystery and captivate golddiggers on the make for a sugar daddy.

  • The ATM receipt ruse.

There are services that will print up authentic looking ATM receipts with large dollar amounts. Leave a crumpled one lying around your place. She will notice it. (All women notice the smallest details of the men they date. It’s encoded in their DNA.)

  • Ditch the car for a boat.

If you live in a place where it is acceptable to be car-less, you can substitute with a boat docked at the nearest marina. Sailboats earn doubleplusbonus points, and are often cheaper than new cars. Since cars are de rigueur among all classes, they don’t stand out anymore as markers of taste, unless you go luxury. But a cheap boat will open the golddigger’s cash register heart.

  • Fake Ivy League diplomas.

There are places where you can get these. Hang prominently on your wall. Ivy degrees and money are practically synonymous in the whore’s mind.

  • The expensive suit ruse.

If you are going to spend money, spend it on a couple of expensive suits. Clothing style is a relatively cheap way to signal wealth, and will often fool golddiggers into bed with you for at least a few months.

  • Housing amenities.

Can’t afford that 2,000 square foot apartment in SoHo? No worries. Get a smaller place, but make sure it has one or two stand-out amenities, like a Sub-Zero fridge or exquisite molding along the ceiling.

  • The cubic zirconia ruse.

Buy a pair of cubic zirconia earrings. Leave them somewhere in your bedroom where a golddigger will see them. When she asks, explain that you gave those diamonds to a former lover (“former lover” always sounds better than “ex”) who returned them to you when you broke up, because she couldn’t bear to wear them anymore. Women, despite their insistence, really cannot tell the difference between a real diamond and CZ, especially in your dimly lit, Quagmire-esque bedroom. This ruse is particularly effective because it pushes three buttons — the money button, the preselection button, and the “ambiguously available man” button.

  • The signed work of art ruse.

Buy a cheapo print, say of a Miro, and sign his name on the bottom in his signature style. Tell her you collect original works of art, and Miro is one of your favorites.

  • Always pay with hundreds.

This is kind of cheesy, but golddiggers are a cheesy lot, so they deserve it. Great for getting her to buy things for you. “Hey babe, I only have a hundred. Could you spring for me on that pack of gum?” As all Chateau guests should know by now, getting women to buy you things alters their perception of you to a higher value man, because they certainly wouldn’t buy things for a lower value man.

  • Keep a safe in your place.

Who knows what’s in that safe? Jewelry? Bonds? Cash? Guns? Back copies of Playboy? Her pussy squirms with the possibilities.

  • Learn how to decorate.

You don’t have to spend an arm and a leg to properly decorate your pad. Why should a decent decorating job impress golddiggers so much? Because most men have no idea how, nor any inclination, to feng shui the shit out of their homes. When you do, you set yourself apart from the bachelor masses.

  • The vacation home ruse.

Put a framed photograph of your “country estate” or “beach house” on the wall. She doesn’t have to know it’s just a random photo you took of someone else’s house.

  • The stock market player ruse.

Always keep a stock market display on your monitor. She’ll think you are a big money risk taker.

  • The overseas business trip ruse.

Every couple of months, tell your newfound golddigger lover that you will be away for two weeks on an “international business trip” which you can’t talk about in detail. This serves the dual purpose of stoking her curiosity and giving you a break to pursue other girls for fun and profit.

PS: I don’t do any of the above things, because I’ve had no need to (unless I’m doing it for my own amusement). I’ve had no trouble meeting attractive girls who weren’t blatant whores pimping for financial support. The few times I’ve dealt with genuine golddiggers, I had some fun with their expectations, and they — I’m sure to their surprise — loved having the tables turned on them.

Update:

“Silver Fox” comments:

Grifter bags 2500 Women

I can attest to this; I bagged 6 models in 2001, when i was an unemployed i-banker for 18 mos. Meanwhile as a multi 6 figure employed banker I avgeraged 1/yr.

Just said “I am a consultant”…followed with silence and direct eye contact/

Avg women cant tell if you work in mailroom or boardroom at Goldman Sachs.

Silver Fox is right on two counts. It’s often the grifters with game who score more pussy than the workaholic ballers. And women really can’t know exactly what you do in the office. Unless she shows up at the front door of your building demanding entrance, you can keep her in the dark about your “boardroom” job for years. Women are extremely gullible on these matters because they *want* to believe you are the king of the world you slyly hint that you are.

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  1. on January 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm Silver Fox

    Roissy,

    Thanks for posting my comment.

    I myself thought $ was the key.

    In fact “time” is the key.

    Time, aka “freedom” makes a man have options.

    Women innately sense when you are limited on “time”; it comes across when you show up late stressed to a party; are making hail-marry passes at them at 1am, and when your impending stress from your hi-po job seeps into your life.

    When I was leading a life of leisure for 18 mos; I was so relaxed, that when i got turned down, I had 18 more free hours to pursue other pussy v. 1hr + 1hrs for your avg chump during his lunch or commute/work out.

    Also, hot & young Women tend not to hang out at the Stock Exchange, at 7am at O’Hare food court, or your crappy gym. They are at Whole Foods, artsy locales, chilling during the middle of the day leading their creative lives.

    Cash is a double edge sword; it robs you of your 20s-30s when you are surrounded by prime pussy & you are chained to a PC or Coach class seat.

    If you are “in transition” b/c of economy, career, $….leverage your time. Having 18 hrs v, 2hr, makes you 9x more competitive or like your living 9 dog lives at one.

    As a side note, Women are flooding internet dating sites (b/c their holidays sucked & dancing with GFs to “I will Survive” for 5th New Years in a row); I cant handle the flow.

    $40 on an a membership is the bets money you will spend, ever.

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  2. on January 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm Anonymous

    second post!

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  3. on January 5, 2011 at 3:08 pm HUX

    Spot on. I remember the EXACT moment I decided my girl was cool. It was when she bought ME a gift (a coffee cup). She said she wanted me to think of her every morning with my coffee.

    It can’t be underscored too strongly. Never, ever, ever spoil a girl with presents. (It’s staggering how many goofy betas just can’t help themselves.) Instead, lead your cool, ambitious life and watch the presents roll in to YOU.

    When the energy flows toward the MAN, everyone is happy. Amazing, but true, true, true.

    The EXACT opposite of what is occurring in miserable Femerica right now.

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  4. on January 5, 2011 at 3:09 pm Random Dood

    Silver Fox, why pay $40? Try okcupid if you live near NYC/ DC. I haven’t seen that post holiday flood of messages, but there are a hell of a lot of new members.

    In the 2 weeks before any romantic holiday, high quality women appear out of the woodwork looking for someone to drag along. The day after, they disappear, either bitter or taken via their prior hunting.

    One warning though is it doesn’t work in spring. My date/lay ratio cut in a quarter the second warm air stirred the loins, forging Sex in The City Dreams of mimosas and glamorous polygamy via traditional sources.

    For a laugh, try browsing the goods in a small town. My southern hometown had 19/20 overweight, at least 51% obese to morbidly obese, and 3/4 of that 1/20 are nuts, have kids, or otherwise are well disqualified. It only works in areas with large concentrations of lonely, recently transplanted young professionals. The average girl either is new and has no friends, works in a field where everyone is attracted to men (interior design, publishing), or just doesn’t want to shit where she eats (finance, medicine).

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  5. on January 5, 2011 at 3:10 pm Firepower

    bah – skip the hassle and buy a $3,000.00 a nite callgirl.

    If it’s good enough for Jerry Buss and…the sacred, founding father of PUA – the axiom-spouting Yoda’s George Lucas

    for you,
    is it good enough.

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  6. on January 5, 2011 at 3:11 pm Firepower

    …oh, and uber-alpha Lawrence “LT” Taylor. Just bring a towel.

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  7. on January 5, 2011 at 3:12 pm Firepower

    fuck this modding
    mout

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  8. on January 5, 2011 at 3:15 pm Sidewinder

    I disagree wholeheartedly with this post. There are gold-diggers, and there are women completely living in the moment looking for alpha attention, however the vast majority of women HAVE PLANS.

    They have had plans since they attended slumber parties in junior high school. And there plans always involve an expectation as to what social class they will maintain for themselves and their future family. There is a very strong correlation between social class and income.

    My own experience bears this out. When I was better looking in college, maybe I was better at scoring drunk hookups (but I doubt it; more a function of numbers of opportunities back then). But when I got out of grad school and had a “real” job, the availability of women willing to date me (and engage in some serious naked time) went up by at least 1.5-2 points.

    I agree that it wasn’t the money (because I honestly didn’t have much at the time), but it was the combination of the job, income, car, degree…it all added up to a social class that a much higher quality of woman was interested in. Almost all women, regardless of the bs they spout off, want to settle down and have children. And those cool alphas on the motorcycles might have some appeal, but they aren’t even in the potential dating pool for quality chicks out of college.

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  9. on January 5, 2011 at 3:15 pm Lara

    Good article. You are exactly right about how women think. A lot of men use their lack of money as an excuse for why women don’t like them when in reality it is their betaness we don’t like.

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  10. on January 5, 2011 at 3:18 pm HUX

    In other words, spoil a girl and she will hate you (as she detects pond-scum beta-tude reeking from your pores). Her hamster will freak, realizing she’s got a beta, instead of an Alpha.

    Thus, when a man cheats himself into beta-tude, both he and his girl are miserable.

    Of course, when a guy finally fires up his latent Alpha, launches into his mission, then treats his girl off-handedly and tosses her an occasional bag of Skittles, she swoons all night, dreaming of every drop of Alpha-test masculine sweat that rolls down his armpits.

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  11. on January 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm Chris

    Reading your blog is like reading Shakespeare!

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  12. on January 5, 2011 at 3:23 pm Javed

    Brilliant! I love the business trip idea. I’m going to pull that one whenever I get tired of my gf and need some time to hunt down some “strange.”

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  13. on January 5, 2011 at 3:24 pm Madras

    Great post.

    My thoughts on money: It only matters at all at the extremes:

    Like you said, living in a card board box is probably a dealbreaker.

    But to that extent, actually having billions is probably a huge help.

    If you dont lead the basic (wide range here) quality of life she is used to, then youre out. If you lead a substantially better one, then it helps. Beyond that it doesnt matter.

    case in point: The girl who grew up with two parents each making 105k, isnt going to favor a guy making 100k over a guy making 60k. But she isnt going to be interested in the guy making 20k, and she may go gaga for the guy with 20 million in thebank.

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  14. on January 5, 2011 at 3:24 pm Sidewinder

    I think the editor’s willful ignorance towards a woman’s desire for a higher social class is criminal. He’s right; its not just money. But a significant income is a prerequisite for women with certain social class expectations. His lack of nuance in this area is likely a result of his disinterest in family life. But almost all women, and most men, are looking for that.

    And when you add that component into the mix, a woman’s looks alone are not sufficient to establish her long term value. And neither is a man’s “game”. I’m not advocating being a pedastalizing, beta, gift-giving puss by any means, but the editor is not being realistic: if you are looking for a good looking girl, smart, from a good family, you better have your shit (including job/income) together, or you aren’t even in the ballpark with her.

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  15. on January 5, 2011 at 3:27 pm Sidewinder

    Madras, i think your third paragraph is spot on regarding a girl’s expectations of social class. But I disagree with your example. I think the difference between 60k and 100k would be signicant. 60k and 80k? probably not. 80k and 100k, probably not. 80k and 150k? Absolutely.

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  16. on January 5, 2011 at 3:32 pm HUX

    I think the key is to marry a woman from a poor country, but not TOO poor.

    They get all their guile from the economic conditions in which they’re living.

    Rich countries with a high standard of living?

    They’re SWAMPED with entitlement princesses ready to balloon to 300 pounds, starting with the wedding cake you paid for; then they cash you out 8 years into the marriage, with the Sheriff enforcing alimony and child support for next 20 years. As for you? You die of a heart-attack at 46 living in the woods in a single-wide trailer, working three jobs, trying to pay all the bills.

    Poor countries with low standard of living?

    SWAMPED with sharks looking for a fat wallet. Your foreign Kupcake will claim DV, divorce you, and once she gets her green card, will get permanent residency in the U.S. as a result. Then she’ll shack up with a boyfriend from her home country. As for you? Accused of domestic violence, you get to meet Tyrone in prison, on a MORE than friendly basis.

    Poor, yet not too poor, country with a fairly decent standard of living but lots of disorganization?

    NOW you’re talking. Here is where the only sweethearts left of the planet reside. Not to poor to be desperate, and not too rich to be insufferable. Better get ‘em quick, though, before TV and the Internet ruins them all.

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  17. on January 5, 2011 at 3:36 pm Captain Obvious

    I know this is mostly a joke, but I can think of a few problems with something like this based on personal experience.

    Several years back I got in the habit of straight up lying about my job because I hated it, it depressed me to talk about it, and just about anyone I told about it instantly made lots of negative assumptions about me that were really hard to overcome.

    At the time I rationalized it by thinking that I would only do this to the sluts I would bang a couple times and never see again. But not to any quality girls that I met.

    But one time a girl who I thought was trash turned out to be quality. And I let things go on with her much longer than a should have, and the lies only got deeper. I began to feel like shit all the time; she was just a naive but beautiful young girl who had no clue about the depths of human depravity.

    So it was almost a relief when she found out about one of the girls I had on the side. As far as I know, she never found out by my big lie.

    [Editor: This is actually not a joke post. The stuff I listed here I heard about from friends… ahem… in the business.]

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  18. on January 5, 2011 at 3:38 pm HUX

    Yes, you can play with gold-diggers, but they’re NEVER marriage material.

    If you ever want to marry, do so outside the ANGLOSPHERE.

    (see above.)

    Make sure your bride’s native language is one OTHER than English.

    Gurl-power: You know, Zales is having a diamond sale this week for Valentine’s Day…..

    Alpha-stud: Sorry, honey, your native language is English. I can’t do that.

    Gurl-power: Huh?

    Alpha-stud: (walks away, shaking his head, punching the digits of his hot latina GF into his cellphone)

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  19. on January 5, 2011 at 3:41 pm Ovid

    Quagmire-esque bedroom.? Oh my.

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  20. on January 5, 2011 at 3:50 pm The LP 999

    Great piece. And cute reference to Quagmire!

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  21. on January 5, 2011 at 3:51 pm Gorbachev

    Roissy is right, but I give this advice to men who would listen to his Golddigger thesis.

    THINK AHEAD

    The alternative for a guy in his mid-20’s and planning life is to be smart and think ahead. This is very serious: I’ve actually given this a lot of thought over the last 7 years. I’ve made decisions specifically because I wanted to do more interesting things and be more interesting to women. Actually, mostly I just wanted to do more interesting things, but the side benefits of actually being more interesting to women are not insignificant.

    When I was married, I thought about jobs and career in terms of stability and family.

    When my marriage broke up, I took every possible opportunity to maximize the following:

    1) Creativity in work
    – Pick the most creative and interesting aspect of your job

    2) Exposure to new social situations as often as possible
    – ie, no boring office job filled with other dudes and no-one else. IT is a reinforcing ghetto this way.

    3) Travel: Pick jobs with lots of travel, where you go to places with the cache of your previous location and job and nobody has any way to evaluate what you do and you seem cooler than you would; always take the travel option when you can.

    4) Money: HOW you spend it is more important that HOW MUCH you have.

    Instead of just maximizing your income, minimize your expenses. Pick and choose what you buy. Maybe you spend a fortune on camera and computer equipment for your work (me) but not on a car or luxuries; buy an inexpensive membership in a yacht or sailing club (me) but don’t spend a fortune on a boat, just a little hobby thing; get an interesting hobby that costs some cash and involves getting out (hunting). The point is, each of these things brings you opportunities to meet and/or impress women.

    Simply maximizing income is useless. *HOW* you spend the cash matters much more. Buy fewer but better clothes. Go traveling? Next time you’re in Asia, get a few tailored suits and have some shoes custom-made. Costs less than off-the-rack here.

    Don’t buy useless shit for your place.

    Have a choice between impressive house in the burbs or smaller condo downtown? Buy the condo: more convenient for dating, you don’t have kids anyway, and you don’t need to drive as much. You can say, let’s go back to my place – it’s right here.

    5) Interesting background material

    Make sure your chosen career provides you with interesting background experiences you can call on whenever you need to. Oh, yeah, I was just out in Morocco helping out a friend on a project / had to go to Wyoming to go to a horse-riding retreat with my old company, took lots of pics, want to see? / spent a week in Vancouver Canada last year blogging the winter olympics because my company sponsored the American skaters — etc.

    Whenever you have the option to opt out of some desk job, do it.

    Every job has options in it that you can maximize. Instead of chasing after money, chase after interest.

    This actually gives you a better life, anyway.

    THINK ABOUT IT

    All of this helps game. If you’re 23-27 and you’re planning your career, be smart. Pick for these things and it’s all much better than having money.

    It’s also better than raw money for gold-diggers. Why?

    They may not want to marry or date you – but By Gum, you don’t want to marry them. You just want to fuck them and hang out and VERY IMPORTANTLY: meet their friends. Start to move in the social circles and get access to other people. These User-type women often have other hot friends and know interesting people. They can be useful. They’re going to use you? Use them back. New York City and Paris are famous for this.

    I traveled in Asia and Europe and worked and never had to be an English teacher (though this is also cool if you want to do it, no slight to the hard-working teachers). I had interesting jobs, but was never rich.

    After one point, I couldn’t keep the women away: a job that was of minor interest anywhere at home was profoundly cool in a foreign country. I’m not particularly handsome (but in good shape). I’m not rich. I can be charming, but not in a Slick Willy kind of way.

    I never walked out from clubs with the most tarted-up 22-year-old hottest-babe-of-the-night a la Mystery or Roosh.

    But I will tell you this: If I wanted companionship, there was no point when my bed was empty if I didn’t want it to be – and only a few times I’d be embarrassed to introduce a woman to my friends. Every woman I was with was almost always more attractive than me. MUCH more, in some cases. Some I loved, some loved me, and some it went both ways.

    I strung along at least two serious gold-diggers in Asia who were with me exclusively for the company and the sex. You never need to come completely clean about your money, but as long as you throw out the interest and run hard right brutal game, they give you their time and their bedroom follies and you don’t need to pony up the money.

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  23. on January 5, 2011 at 4:04 pm Professor Woland

    Using money to find women is like chumming for fish. You catch a lot of sharks.

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  24. on January 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm Mingus

    “Always keep a stock market display on your monitor. She’ll think you are a big money risk taker.”

    Stick with futures/commodities over stocks. The leverage that the derivatives provide is more risky=more alpha.

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  25. on January 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm Gorbachev

    @Sidewinder
    if you are looking for a good looking girl, smart, from a good family, you better have your shit (including job/income) together, or you aren’t even in the ballpark with her.

    Only if you’re looking to marry her.

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  26. on January 5, 2011 at 4:21 pm Mike

    Sidewinder is sort of right, though no one is ignorant.

    Every man should read Pride & Prejudice. Women today are no different. Ask yourself: Is that what I ant to become of my life.

    Or just read the Cliff Notes to Tolstoy:

    “You talk of Bonaparte and his career … but Bonaparte when he worked went step by step toward his goal. He was free, he had nothing but his aim to consider, and he reached it. But tie yourself up with a woman and, like a chained convict, you lose all freedom! And all you have of hope and strength merely weighs you down and torments you with regret.

    “Drawing rooms, gossip, balls, vanity, and triviality–these are the enchanted circle I cannot escape from. I am now going to the war, the greatest war there ever was, and I know nothing and am fit for nothing. I am very amiable and have a caustic wit … and at Anna Pavlovna’s they listen to me. And that stupid set without whom my wife cannot exist, and those women…

    “If you only knew what those society women are, and women in general! My father is right. Selfish, vain, stupid, trivial in everything–that’s what women are when you see them in their true colors! When you meet them in society it seems as if there were something in them, but there’s nothing, nothing, nothing! No, don’t marry, my dear fellow; don’t marry!

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  27. on January 5, 2011 at 4:26 pm BDS

    I’m so alpha I can’t pull ass in my own country! er, uh…

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  28. on January 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm HUX

    @Sidewinder
    if you are looking for a good looking girl, smart, from a good family, you better have your shit (including job/income) together, or you aren’t even in the ballpark with her.

    Only if you’re looking to marry her.

    Careful, guys. “Smart” women from “good” families are often the WORST marriage material.

    They’re expectations are SKY-HIGH. Women always, always, always want to marry up. That’s serious hard-core hamster wiring.

    Get the cuties from the developing countries who come from good families. And strongly consider NEVER bringing her to the States.

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  29. on January 5, 2011 at 4:35 pm Gorbachev

    @Mike,

    “If you only knew what those society women are, and women in general! My father is right. Selfish, vain, stupid, trivial in everything–that’s what women are when you see them in their true colors! When you meet them in society it seems as if there were something in them, but there’s nothing, nothing, nothing! No, don’t marry, my dear fellow; don’t marry!

    Selfish, vain, stupid, trivial in everything

    That describes practically every group of socializing females I’ve ever met (some men, but mostly – no).

    That has to be the quote of the week.

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  30. on January 5, 2011 at 4:41 pm Audrey

    Cue Jerry in 3 2 1 … lol

    —

    hux “Get the cuties from the developing countries who come from good families”
    –> Hux do you have any actual experience with this?
    Hint, the “cuties from developing countries” if they “come from good families” are going to stay within their cultural boundaries when they marry. Duh lol
    You know, Developing countries aren’t like western countries. Lot’s of zenophobia and preference for their own people, especially among the “good families.”

    In fact her willingness to jump cultural barriers, permanently (IE marriage) is a pretty good sign that she’s a cold mercenary.

    Sry to bust yr bubble ):

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  31. on January 5, 2011 at 4:43 pm Audrey

    Mike “But tie yourself up with a woman and, like a chained convict, you lose all freedom! And all you have of hope and strength merely weighs you down and torments you with regret”

    –> Mike if my mans life is not easier and better as a result of me being in it, then I am failing as a woman.
    Alot of my girlfriends feel the same way. As long as the man is worth it haha

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  32. on January 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I use the custom suit trick all the time. I also have a lot of accessories made in Italy, but I’m sure you could lie about that easily. Buy art from starving artists and pass it off as the expensive stuff. No one can tell the difference anyway.

    I briefly “dated” a girl who was never over when my roommates were home. She asked once and I told her I owned the house with a straight face. 1 year later, I was dating another chick at a different university and she had heard I was rich because I owned a huge house all to myself.

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  33. on January 5, 2011 at 4:52 pm Stud Dynamite

    Sidewinder, “if you’re looking for a good girl…”

    What we’re looking for.. well, not anymore, as I mature I emphatize with people more and try not to cause pain to anyone. But there’s lot of immature dudes out there too, hehe. So, anyway, what those dudes are looking for is to butthex your good girl while you out and about “getting your shit together”.
    Be warned, lolz.
    And the kicker is, even with the greatest game, it’s only half the equation of building a suburban “empire”. Cause other half is – how do you stay attracted to her yourself?

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  34. on January 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm HUX

    @Audrey

    You reek of desperation. Perhaps you’ve heard of the term “ex-pat”?

    Yeah, we don’t WANT the cuties from developing countries to leave their cultures because then they’ll become like YOU.

    Alpha guys know that Femerica is a rigged game with obese entitlement princesses as the prize.

    You are exactly wrong on how foreign women view American guys. They LOVE them.

    Do I have experience actual with this? You’d LOVE to know, wouldn’t you?

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  35. on January 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm DirkJohanson

    @ HUX

    Which specific countries do you recommend chicks from?

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  36. on January 5, 2011 at 4:55 pm Audrey

    @ Original post

    Also you guys should consider the nexxus between this “fake money game” and the true enough notion of a “woman scorned” that you’ve addressed in previous posts.

    Meaning. If you try this sort of fake money game and your … um real game isn’t up to par, lol, there are non zero odds that you may wind up being chased through the court system (or just having your life made into a living hell) by a vindictive gold digger digging for LOTS of gold that aint really there.
    On the other hand if your just honest, and you have a heavy sack instead of a heavy wallet then the same pissed off girl will not be as hell bent on causing financial armaggedon.

    Just a thought boys, intentionally looking for gold diggers in a day&age when women can sue for anything and everything? Not a good move. Lol

    [Editor: You write like a troll. There’s no legal recourse for golddiggers who fucked men they thought made more money than they actually did, and felt regretful about afterwards.]

    —

    Also,
    Having a picture of your own beach house, in your house? Try hard. Haha

    [It’s all in the presentation. If she asks, tell the girl you keep a photo of your “getaway” home in plain sight so it reminds you of the reason why you work so hard, and that it takes your mind away from the daily grind.]

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  37. on January 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm Audrey

    Hux “Careful, guys. “Smart” women from “good” families are often the WORST marriage material.”

    —

    Their probably a better bet than dumb women from “good” families. At least the smart girl will want to work and pay for some of that expensive crap herself no? Smart girls have a bad wrap around here but at least most of them arent deadbeats.

    Among girls I know, the not so smart “society ladies” are the one’s who are truely black holes. Sucking time, money, you name it in pursuit of name brand happiness

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  38. on January 5, 2011 at 5:08 pm Stud Dynamite

    practical question on topic though… I dated a few bartender chicks and sometimes would drink at their place and get like $1 tab. I’d leave a $20 bill, not quite sure if it’s a right move.
    on one hand, that’s what I do with bartenders who are just friends, i.e. guys. And in any case I wouldn’t consider it much more of a gesture than proverbial skittles.
    on the other it I could see how it could come off beta-ish and throwing a wrench in the whole “her taking care of me” frame.
    Girls don’t seem repulsed by it but I feel they don’t really like it.
    Comments? What’s the good move there? What would Genghis Khan do?

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  39. on January 5, 2011 at 5:17 pm Sidewinder

    Audrey,

    Smart girls are essential. Not necessarily book smart. But thoughtful, measured, articulate, expressive… I’d give up a full point on looks for those qualities. I greatly underestimated how important effective problem-solving skills were in a successful marriage. Smart girls that get things taken care of make for a much happier marriage.

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  40. on January 5, 2011 at 5:19 pm Guest

    Gorbachev,

    Do you have any kids? How does your advice apply to different ages (of men)?

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  41. on January 5, 2011 at 5:23 pm Edward

    @Gorbachev

    “Selfish, vain, stupid, trivial in everything

    That describes practically every group of socializing females I’ve ever met”

    That is true of women for everything except the two most important tasks of society: keeping home and raising babies.

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  42. on January 5, 2011 at 5:29 pm P

    The post-new-years pre-Valentine’s season is real: girls I haven’t seen since college days are making friend requests on Facebook.

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  43. on January 5, 2011 at 5:30 pm Schmoe

    @Stud Dynamite
    A, don’t date bartenders, they are all alcoholics. B, there’s a sort of unspoken rule that when a bartender you know gives you a low tab you make it up in tip, or at least meet them halfway. Obviously this whole practice is stealing from the owners, so if you are beta enough to steal…

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  44. on January 5, 2011 at 5:35 pm HUX

    @Stud Dynamite

    Don’t leave the $20 tip for your bartender chyck after she lets you drink for (virtually) free.

    She’s toasting your Alpha-ness. Don’t blow it by bowing down to her guttersnipe woman-ness. She’ll despise you for it. I promise.

    Better to leave her a note:

    I’ve got a good tip for you: you can pick it up at my place after you get off work.

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  45. on January 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm HUX

    There’s an old Alpha saying:

    If your idea can’t fit on the back of my business card, then you haven’t thought it through.”

    Awesome.

    My back-of-the-business-card idea? (one of many…)

    “Women DESPISE men who think too much about them.”

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  46. on January 5, 2011 at 5:43 pm Stud Dynamite

    Schmoe, so your answer – report her to the owner…

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  47. on January 5, 2011 at 5:51 pm Ovid

    Gorb at 3:51,

    Did you ever work in Italy? Any advice on how to find a job there?

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  48. on January 5, 2011 at 5:51 pm Stud Dynamite

    HUX, that’s kind of what my feeling was. But just paying it seems kind of weird too, perhaps it is remnant beta discomfort. I guess it’s context dependent (i.e. more than one bartender, bigger party than just me), but overall my bad feeling was right.
    There has to be a “just the tip” joke in it somewhere too, hehe.

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  49. on January 5, 2011 at 5:56 pm Gorbachev

    @Guest
    Gorbachev,
    Do you have any kids? How does your advice apply to different ages (of men)?

    I’d say I know from the ages of 25-38. At 40 the game changes, so I’m told. Actually, some guys tell me it gets much better, especially if you have your shit together. Not there yet.

    Younger, … I was sweet and nice at 23, more or less, I don’t remember.

    I want kids, too. Working on the situation.

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  50. on January 5, 2011 at 5:58 pm Gorbachev

    @Ovid

    Gorb at 3:51,

    Did you ever work in Italy? Any advice on how to find a job there?

    Italy, no. Traveled there. Worked, no. Was usually traveling with a woman, too, so did no pickup there.

    Guys tell me shit, but that’d just be hearsay. Not admissable without backup.

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  51. on January 5, 2011 at 5:59 pm HUX

    @DirkJohanson

    Let’s start with the chicks to AVOID completely (this is assuming you MAY be considering her for wife-material)

    1. All American women. ALL of them, without exception.
    2. All Canadian women.
    3. All British women. (Raging alcoholics, every last one)
    4. ANY women whose native language is English.
    5. ANY women who says she’s an atheist. (meaning she answers to no one. Dating a poisonous asp would be safer.)
    6. ANY woman with a tattoo.
    7. ANY woman with children.
    8. ANY woman who is divorced.
    9. ANY woman on psychiatric medication.
    10. ANY woman with any chronic illness.
    11. ANY woman with breast implants.
    12. ANY woman who grew up without a father in the home.

    Well, I guess that doesn’t leave very many, now does it, Dirk?

    I really only have two words for you . HEAD SOUTH.

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  52. on January 5, 2011 at 5:59 pm Gorbachev

    @Ovid,

    As for work, … I hear it’s almost impossible to get jobs in Italy without knowing someone.

    Germany was much easier.

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  53. on January 5, 2011 at 6:05 pm HUX

    @Stud D

    Dude, there are many, many ways of showing your appreciation for your bartender’s generosity, and the MOST EFFECTIVE ones do NOT involve money.

    Do not give women money. The greatest gift you can give her is YOU.

    Fine. She gives your free beer. Great. Now she gets to spend more time with you.

    Remember. Reward ONLY good behavior. And never with money.

    Money is what she gives to YOU.

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  54. on January 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm Simonsen

    Lot of wisdom in this post. Money is necessary to get women, but if you overemphasize money it’s worse than useless in obtaining the vaginal all-access pass.

    It is important to be (or at least plausibly appear) ambitious and possessing a “plan” for life and success – on your terms. Total pussy catnip, that one.

    Take me, for instance. Decent looking guy (8-9 if I can guess), in shape (for nearly 40), and while not awash in money (I make in the six figures, which in the coastal East is nice but far from rich), I have a decent house, decent car, nice furnishings and clothes: not lavish, but stylish. If you don’t have a homo buddy to help with this stuff, find one.

    What I do have is a lot of free time to pursue pussy and a very exciting-sounding job that provides a great deal of international travel, which provides both cover for action (ie plausible deniability for chasing other girls) as well as, you guessed it, ample access to those other girls … hot foreign girls.

    So, my younger brothers, I’m not gonna tell you something feminized and stupid like “don’t lie,” but I would counsel you to not tell obvious whoppers; they will bite you on the ass. Certainly don’t expect any smart gal to fall for totally ridiculous lines for more than a week or two. Choose a career that gives enough cash, but more importantly ample free time and fun travel. You will have far more pussy than you will know what to do with.

    Two more important things. Don’t get married, it will lead to poverty and misery. And don’t give lavish gifts. Be a Skittles Man. I give a decent, not lavish gift for a gal’s birthday, maybe Xmas if she plays her cards right. Give less, they will appreciate it when you give anything. Same deal with flowers. Use sparingly, it will be genuinely appreciated.

    Lastly, learn to cook well. Chicks adore this, and it’s a lot cheaper than going out all the time.

    Above all, scout out really rich women – heiresses, not lawyer cunts – they do exist, and if they’re 7s, not 9s, they’re probably a bit lonely and worried about attracting gold-digging assholes. Like you and me. Turn the tables, it’s the best revenge. Obviously, you have to live in (or visit) the right places to meet such girls, but they do exist, and some of them are lonely. Then they pay your bills … what a concept. Right now I am living rent-free on the weekends in one of my gals’ summer places … it can be done.

    Peace out, bros …

    [Editor: Big whopper lies are OK if you don’t anticipate the girl will be anything more than a fun fling. You can make your big lies about the stuff that matters seem more believable if you are honest about the little things that don’t matter. For instance, if you lie about your money but reveal candid little anecdotes about your mom that she can verify, she’ll be less likely to doubt or follow up on your big money lie.]

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  55. on January 5, 2011 at 6:20 pm Schmoe

    OT:
    Bitches be crazy:
    http://socialhype.com/news/1840-woman-tries-to-scare-boyfriend-into-proposing-by-calling-police-on-him-.html

    Who thought this would work?

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  56. on January 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm Schmoe

    @Stud Dynamite:
    Definitely. It pays the bills.

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  57. on January 5, 2011 at 6:56 pm Me

    I was unemployed 3 years ago for about 10 months (I took a leave of absence from my job at the time). I was living off of savings… so money was tighter than usual. I never got more tail than that year- not because I spent money, but because I had attitude and charisma… and lots of free time!

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  58. on January 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm TG

    ” It’s often the grifters with game who score more pussy than the workaholic ballers.”

    sad thing is…most workaholics aren’t even ballers….many workaholics I know…only make like 50k-80k

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  59. on January 5, 2011 at 7:08 pm rend

    “Money is necessary to get women”

    It really isn’t. I’ve fucked girls who’ve been a net gain (i.e. they spent more money on me than vice versa, where I nigh always spend $0 on them) and there’s no appreciable difference in pussy.

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  60. on January 5, 2011 at 7:15 pm The End

    I agree with what Gorbachev said above. Keep your life simple and streamlined. Don’t get lots of junk or keep shit around your place you don’t need. Make a list of the principle stuff and make sure that is all you own. For things like books, DVDs, etc. I use a one in one out policy. This, applied to most stuff, is a good way of ensuring your life will be kept streamlined.

    Do NOT move to the burbs if you are single. If in a LTR do not do it either unless it is moving into her house and you aren’t paying rent or “your share”. Burbs are for babies and married people. Fortunately I never made the mistake, but a lot of my friends did. Even with trains and buses they find it very difficult to go out, effectively meet women, and get laid. No woman wants to sit on a vomit stained bus to go back to your place in the burbs to have sex.

    Plus if you live in the city it is a lot easier to game chicks from the burbs. I get laid about 1-2 a week just because a girl I am doing has to get up early for work and wants to spend the night so she doesn’t have the commute in the morning. It’s game that runs itself. All you have to do is start it up by talking about your awesome short commute and how it must suck to have to come in from the burbs.

    As for where you live I have always been an advocate of either you get a real nice pad or you live in a shit shack. Anything else in between is a waste of money. If you live in a shit shack, keep it minimalistic and go out all the time. Talk about how you travel a lot and enjoy exotic places so you don’t like to spend all that money on some place where you never are. If you have a nice pad bring people to your place and entertain. Of course it relies on the type of game you run, but I did the shit shack room in a house in a sort of bad neighborhood for a few years in a big northeast city with good results. I was paying around $450 a month, utilities included, so I always had tons of fun money. Women didn’t seem to mind either when they would come over or we would just go over to theirs. All that meant was I didn’t have to constantly change my sheets.

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  61. on January 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm The End

    @Audrey

    [Editor: You write like a troll. There’s no legal recourse for golddiggers who fucked men they thought made more money than they actually did, and felt regretful about afterwards.]

    Roissy – I think there is a legal recourse. It is called false rape accusations.

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  62. on January 5, 2011 at 7:39 pm Edward

    @HUX

    One more rule on non-marriageable chicks:

    13. ANY woman who lived on campus during college.

    The bottom line is to find a girl who’s parents knew enough game principles to keep her unsullied by rival PUA’s. There are still a few of those girls left in the Anglosphere.

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  63. on January 5, 2011 at 7:42 pm Mike

    Unless you come from family money, most men will have to pick one – time or money.

    Are you going to work 60-80 hours a week? Because that *is* what it takes to make real money in the U.S.

    Your reward for years of grinding it out? Maybe you get a gold digger to marry you. Congratulations! You’re guaranteed to get a divorce, pay alimony and child support, and not even get much sex while married.

    As a man, it’s time to start asking: What do I win? Seriously.

    Treat like like a contest. What is your prize for working 80 hours a week? A gold digger? What’s your prize for marrying a gold digger? Really…What do you get out of it?

    If that’s a prize you want, then by all means you shall receive no hate from me. Yet it seems that most guys never bother asking, “What am I working for?”

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  64. on January 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm Squared

    Great fucking post. Plenty of good, practical advice here. I’ll have to try a few of these.

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  65. on January 5, 2011 at 7:46 pm Mike

    The post is about attracting gold diggers when you’re not rich. Yet the comments have turned into a discussion of meeting women when you’re broke. Seems pretty clear what problem the commentariat has.

    Most guys just want to meet normal chicks. It’s really funny…and sad.

    Most guys commenting aren’t trying to meet a 9 or 10 – the looks of most gold diggers. All guys may fantasize about banging a model, but that’s not what drives most men – even and perhaps especially guys who read game blogs.

    Most readers are just normal guys who want to meet a normal chick. But America is so fucked, that most guys find this to be an impossibility.

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  66. on January 5, 2011 at 7:49 pm Evil Alpha

    I disagree. Men DO NOT overestimate the importance of money to attracting women, what we overestimate is the importance of giving away money to attracting women!

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  67. on January 5, 2011 at 7:49 pm chic noir

    The cubic zirconia ruse.

    this won’t work if a woman knows her jewelry.

    [Editor: Actually, it will. Most golddiggers are not trained in the art of cut, color, carat and clarity gem science. CZ and diamond are, to the average woman’s eye, completely indistinguishable without a jeweler’s monocle and training to tell them apart. Since golddiggers won’t be bringing the lab equipment necessary to determine if the man’s prop jewelry is CZ or diamond, practically all of them can be easily fooled by the CZ.
    And I’ve found that women who *claim* they know their jewelry… don’t.]

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  68. on January 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm Toby

    Roissy,

    You think its possible to convert a gold-digger into a woman who would not care about money but just being with you? Is there a game to do that?

    [Editor: Yeah, run game until she falls in love with you. A woman in love will forgive just about anything in a man… except betaness.]

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  69. on January 5, 2011 at 7:59 pm Simonsen

    Editor: Concur in strongest terms. Big lies are fine, even advisable, if you’re talkng about a fling; bitches don’t want the truth anyway, they want the fantasy, give it to them and you get no-lube anal … such a deal!

    Caveat: Whopper lies are not smart if you’re dealing with a possible LTR (or at least regular booty-call) and particularly if you are on home turf: a very bad way to do business. One burned psycho-bitch – they are out there – can spoil the whole pond, fast.

    When far from home, lie and pork away. Never had better luck than when I was lying about everything, down to and very much including my name, profession, etc. — while of course being disarmingly frank about trivialities. Chicks get moist about the International Man of Mystery, the whole “dark trinity” … Embrace the lying, yet charmingly mysterious, dirtbag within … Far from home.

    Mundus vult decipi

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  70. on January 5, 2011 at 8:24 pm DirkJohanson

    @ HUX

    Glad to hear your conclusion. My flight (already booked weeks ago) leaves for Medellin two weeks from manana.

    Also, there might be something to this unemployment thing I have heard several of you say. I started going to swingers clubs a month before I became unemployed, and the best night of sex of my life was Christmas Night, 1992, two months after, when I was with three hotties back to back to back – well, actually, there was substantial overlap! Actually, four hotties, if you count my date. Anyway … this theory is giving me the confidence to fulfill what I have been dreaming of doing for about the past 5 years – quit my lousy office job.

    Anyway, gotta go – gonna pick up some CZ.

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  71. on January 5, 2011 at 8:24 pm Anon81

    “Power is more a state of mind, or a will to attitude…”

    I think that means that Roissy’s been reading Nietzsche. Good choice.

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  72. on January 5, 2011 at 8:35 pm DirkJohanson

    @ Random Dood

    The spring slowdown isn’t just about the weather. It might not be about the weather at all. I live in Florida, and the same thing happens here.

    My profound belief is that, with the big four relationship holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas, NYE, and Valentine’s) out of the way, and no need to make excuses about not spending them with a chick, by spring the alphas have fully restocked their harems.

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  73. on January 5, 2011 at 8:48 pm walawala

    @walawala

    Any decent girl will look for ways to split things or pay for things.

    A girl I’d been gaming for a long time and started getting more physical with had asked that we go to a fancy expensive restaurant over Christmas which I booked.

    The cheque came, I took care of it and never mentioned it.

    Later we had tongue down and hung out.

    A few days later, she paid me back for her half.

    Then she got me a Christmas present.

    If you display the alpha cred the money aspects of your interaction become less of a driver.

    Contrast this with the mainland woman I banged a few time and actually did spend money to fly out to see.

    She never offered to split or pay for anything.

    Then refused to come see me on her dime insisting that I should pay because “you’re the man”….

    Her other mainland friends have similiar situations set up with betas whom they live with or “take care of them”…..

    In these situations the women are quite ok with having the man have other women as long as they themselves have some type of pipeline to that guy’s bank account, apartment or whatever.

    Paying for things is fine as long as there is an understanding that the interaction or relationship is not about the money.

    It’s easy to figure. Pay for something once and see what happens. If there’s not offer to split, if there’s no “i’ll get the next one”…best to move on.

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  74. on January 5, 2011 at 8:54 pm Stateside

    Yeah, I’m in a predicament that sounds fairly common. I’m mid-to-late 20s, live in a big metro area in the U.S. and make about 80k a year.

    Kill me now.

    I’ve been saving about 65% of my after tax pay and would like to either do a long term travel stint or work overseas. Trouble is, my language skills aren’t great in the other language I kinda know. I guess my best bet would to be work for a U.S. multinational and try to get assigned overseas.

    I need to make a change.

    So let’s see…excluding the Anglosphere/cultural Marxist countries we have he following areas…

    Africa: fuck no.
    Middle East: Maybe Dubai, everything else fuck no.
    Central America: No thanks.
    South America: Perhaps, though don’t know Spanish or Portuguese.
    Western Europe: I’d consider it (where my ‘language skill’ would apply).
    Eastern Europe: I’d consider it, language barrier.
    West Asia: Don’t know much about it, kind of intrigued but language barrier.
    East Asia: I’d consider it, language barrier.
    South Asia: Maybe, seems like 5 years of slumming it could pay off.
    Southeast Asia: Maybe Singapore, everything else no thanks.

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  76. on January 5, 2011 at 9:16 pm bleh

    u guys r so alpha

    hahaha ridiculous

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  77. on January 5, 2011 at 9:53 pm Gorbachev

    @Stateside
    Yeah, I’m in a predicament that sounds fairly common. I’m mid-to-late 20s, live in a big metro area in the U.S. and make about 80k a year.

    Kill me now.

    80k is good. Depends on how hard you work.

    I’ve been saving about 65% of my after tax pay and would like to either do a long term travel stint or work overseas.

    Work. Or travel and work. Working gets you social proof and connections.

    Trouble is, my language skills aren’t great in the other language I kinda know. I guess my best bet would to be work for a U.S. multinational and try to get assigned overseas.

    Pick an area where English does you good.

    Africa: fuck no.

    I’m told parts are nice and good for guys like you. Frankly, that’s disturbed.

    Middle East: Maybe Dubai, everything else fuck no.

    You’ll spend time with jaded, mystified and lonely foreigners. Might be good. I know nurses who worked in Saudi and lived crazier lives than they would have back home. On the other hand, I know guys who went the middle east and were basically celibate the entire time they were there.

    Central America: No thanks.
    South America: Perhaps, though don’t know Spanish or Portuguese.

    Then don’t bother. From what I hear, without language skills, you’re SOL.

    Western Europe: I’d consider it (where my ‘language skill’ would apply).

    France is never bad. Germany is mixed.

    Eastern Europe: I’d consider it, language barrier.

    English can do you well depending on your job.

    West Asia: Don’t know much about it, kind of intrigued but language barrier.
    East Asia: I’d consider it, language barrier.
    South Asia: Maybe, seems like 5 years of slumming it could pay off.
    Southeast Asia: Maybe Singapore, everything else no thanks.

    I’m biased, but in my opinion, NE Asia is your best bet. You can likely get comparable jobs, English will do you well enough (language barrier will be irrelevant), there are tons of hot women, and as a foreigner making decent cash you’re cool. Also, the number of women who’ll tool you for a passport is much lower.

    And the women are just classier than SE Asia.

    You should check out people who’ve been to E Europe – I hear it’s much like E Asia but the women are white. Could be just as good.

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  78. on January 5, 2011 at 10:02 pm DocSavage

    Is working at a jewelry store a good way to meet women?

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  79. on January 5, 2011 at 10:02 pm F

    a cautionary tale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Safra

    the life of the most successful golddigger ever lived

    Lily Safra started from nothing and after 4 marriages (2 eneded in divorce, 2 in “accidental” of their husbands) she is worth $1bn. lives in Monaco and is an avid (and wrinkled) socialite & philantropist

    wealth accumulation rate that rivals Buffett, Gates, Slim & co btw

    that’s the extreme.

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  80. on January 5, 2011 at 10:13 pm muscleman

    Roissy,

    This is a great post on ruses, but let’s not get carried away here. Stuff like this works, sure, I’ve done it and seen it done, but pursuing money will not make you any less attractive. Let me ask you this, what’s easier, learning game or making bank?

    You’re comparing extremes once again – some 60k cubicle drone PUA (or worse) to a quarter mil programmer. Both are bad ways to spend your life. Have you ever made significant money? Do you know how much auto game that brings you?

    Shortcuts like this will work, for a while. Unless you plan on taking your hedonism to the grave with you prior to your golden years, how much conning and game do you really think you can run on girls in their prime when you’re old enough to be their dad? You yourself made a post on this a while back, listing compensatory traits a man must have as he gets older.

    Also, you speak of inefficiency, but have you really extrapolated this over the course of a lifetime? If you compare tons of pussy with lies, a hedonistic approach without thinking about tomorrow vs. learning minimal game while keeping your eyes on the empire prize, which do you think will bring more to you over the long term?

    I understand you’re trying to help a more “normal” crowd and all of this does make it easier to get laid (so you are succeeding), but at some point you have to realize you’re selling readers mostly shortcuts that have an up and coming expiration date. At the very least, a disclaimer of “by the way, game is just one piece of the puzzle, don’t forget the big picture” is in order.

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  81. on January 5, 2011 at 10:17 pm F

    there are golddiggers in NE Asia too (but it’s much, much easier to pull Roissy style “golddigger game” on them)

    check this book out…a manual for ladies on how to date and, eventually, marry up: http://www.amazon.com/Shanghai-Girls-Unsentimental-Mina-Hanbury-Tenison/dp/9881841941

    quite entertaining

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  82. on January 5, 2011 at 10:39 pm Gorbachev

    @F,

    Murderer, trial-fixer, gold-digger and socialite.

    That must be some expensive pussy.

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  83. on January 5, 2011 at 10:40 pm xsplat

    Edward

    @HUX

    One more rule on non-marriageable chicks:

    13. ANY woman who lived on campus during college.

    Or you could just learn how to fuck.

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  84. on January 5, 2011 at 11:01 pm scheme

    I concur. I’m an IT nerd with a cushy 6-figure income and 7 figures of cash in the bank after selling a startup, currently in my early 20s, and my money hasn’t gotten me laid once. I don’t even mention it to girls any more because it’s hard to do so without sounding desperate and showy.

    Very few things annoy me more than the dickwads who claim they never get laid because they’re poor.

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  85. on January 5, 2011 at 11:06 pm DirkJohanson

    @ Scheme

    Your problems are solved: http://sf.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/

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  86. on January 5, 2011 at 11:08 pm xsplat

    DocSavage

    Is working at a jewelry store a good way to meet women?

    Yes, but your interaction time is minimal, and it’s an awkward social situation in which to try to get numbers.

    It is a good venue to hone your people skills.

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  87. on January 5, 2011 at 11:11 pm DirkJohanson

    @DocSavage

    Plus working at a jewelry store is a good way to camouflage the CZ composition of the earrings Roissy recommends that ima gonna buy.

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  88. on January 5, 2011 at 11:22 pm DocSavage

    Thanks.

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  89. on January 5, 2011 at 11:25 pm xsplat

    walawala

    It’s easy to figure. Pay for something once and see what happens. If there’s not offer to split, if there’s no “i’ll get the next one”…best to move on.

    I’d feel awkward splitting dinner expenses. And weak. And desparately poor.

    I’ve lived in SE Asia for many years hand to mouth – very often too poor to even afford a haircut or a new pair of sandals. I’ve often had to use my coin stash to pay for the evenings booze. Yet I’ve never split food or drink expenses.

    You can take this skittles thing to far. There is a traditional reciprocity of food for sex that men can take advantage of. Stay away from expensive gifts. But use the beta attractiveness triggers to your advantage.

    Never play just full out alpha cad, if you want to get the girl to become your full access total slave.

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  90. on January 5, 2011 at 11:35 pm Anonymous

    Well grifters gotta be dark triad as fuck.

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  91. on January 5, 2011 at 11:36 pm xsplat

    The frame of mind I adopt is to be a skin-flint provider. I pay for all food, and “taxi” expenses.

    Lately I’ve started even playing with giving a tiny monthly allowance – a very common practice for older expats. That’s fair enough at my age of mid forites, considering the girls are early twenties. And my financial position affords it. In that case it is a net benefit all around – the skittles principle does not apply.

    I always consider myself the provider. I am a safety net. I am the Daddy. I happen to be an extremely stingy Daddy, but the girls know they are at base provided for.

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  92. on January 5, 2011 at 11:36 pm walawala

    @xsplat

    I don’t dispute what you say. This was an offer and it wasn’t a cheap place.

    The fact is it was an exclusive locale that required booking in advance which I was able to swing and we had a great time. That’s the alpha cred—to be able to get into a place like this known for its exclusivity.

    There’s a time and place for everything.

    If a girl who has money wants to split the cheque and it’s around US$80….unless it’s our anniversary or I’m raw dogging her, I’m not about to pay her way.

    However, if it’s smaller stuff, or drinks, then it’s not totally beta to cover it off.

    I don’t think it was a shit test as the target is coming over, and suggested the split.

    I don’t think it’s an LJBF thing because we’ve had good make out.

    But if this is a test…then just as well we split dinner.

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  93. on January 5, 2011 at 11:47 pm xsplat

    Walawala, sure if she wants to pay, no problem.

    I dated an older girl once, (38? Still looking good with incredibly firm very large tits – the best tits I’ve ever seen on a girl of any age), who used to always pay for the meal. Every time. And she’d regularly loan me my rent money.

    My point was only that regarding the skittles “rule”, always keep in mind that being a provider is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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  94. on January 5, 2011 at 11:48 pm xsplat

    Oh – by older girl, I don’t mean older than me, in that instance. Just old.

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  95. on January 6, 2011 at 12:48 am duxbury

    Silver fox gets close…

    ultimate asset is freedom to maneuver on the battlefield. not to be a rat racer. date at will. never miss an opportunity because good ones are annual events. to quote patton, speed kills… can you move and act with speed?

    hot date on tuesday that lasts all night? need to be in paris next week? need to take the weekend off skiing? can you date a perfect girl 300 miles away in 24 hours? you have the money and freedom to execute any battle plan.

    hot 19 year olds are unrestricted, are you? if you have money and are not a rat racer, you are king. there is a whole class of women who require unrestricted men, they are called models. in this terrain you prevail.

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  96. on January 6, 2011 at 1:18 am Robert in Arabia

    Rap star Kanye West makes video where he kills white women.
    Two of the biggest black celebrities in the world got together to make a video glorifying violence towards women (in which most of the women are white). The images are shocking, especially considering the close connections between one of the rappers and Barack Obama.

    The song will appear on Kanye West’s new album titled “My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.” Based on the video, his fantasy appears to be to kidnap, rape, and murder white women. The initial cover art, which has already been rejected by Walmart, features a black man holding a beer bottle in a sexually explicit pose with a naked white woman.

    In 2005 the NAACP presented him with an award for “most outstanding black male artist.” It remains to be seen if groups like the NOI and NAACP will denounce the video, which seems to re-enforce the most negative stereotypes about black men.

    Kanye Westis depicted holding the severed head of a white woman in his new video. The video also features Jay-Z, another big name, who campaigned with Barack Obama.

    West’s CD’s are released by Rick Rubin’s Def Jam, a subsidiary of Universal Music Group. MTV recently named Kanye West its 2010 Man of the Year.

    The video shows dead women hanging from the ceiling and several images of women being held captive. In one scene Kayne West is in bed with two dead white women positioning their bodies in a sexually provocative way. In another scene West holds the bloody severed head of a white woman.

    Sample of the Lyrics…

    Conquer, stomp ya, stop your silly nonsense
    None of you n*****s know where the swamp is
    None of you n*****s have seen the carnage that I’ve seen
    I still hear fiends scream in my dream
    Murder murder in black convertibles
    I kill a block I murder avenues
    Rape and pillage a village, women and children
    Everybody wanna know what my Achilles heel is
    LOVE I don’t get enough of it
    All I get is these vampires and blood suckers
    All I see is these n*****s, I’ve made millionaires

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  97. on January 6, 2011 at 1:56 am Cauthon

    Question for the board:

    If you send a girl a trial text and she doesn’t respond, do you ever pursue it further?

    I made out with a girl at a new years party. Distant social circle, so I have some social proof and preselection. I saw her the next night as well, when I showed up at the tail end of a birthday party. She came over to me and said “There he is. Where were you tonight?” blah blah. Clear IOI but I wasn’t staying long enough to get her one-on-one.

    I send her a simple trial text yesterday and get radio silence. I’m thinking about one more teasing text in a day or two, but the last thing I want to do is get pegged as needy within her group of friends.

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  98. on January 6, 2011 at 2:01 am xsplat

    Robert in Arabia, why would I care?

    You are just feeding the trolls, giving the guy the exact attention he is looking for.

    Why should I give a shit? What, he’s polluting peoples minds? And you are going to help put a stop to it, by raising outrage?

    Focus on your personal life and ignore the stars.

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  99. on January 6, 2011 at 2:03 am College Grad

    “getting women to buy you things alters their perception of you to a higher value man, because they certainly wouldn’t buy things for a lower value man.”

    This is called the Ben Franklin effect. I’ve always thought of this concept in the context of game haha. A good post could be written solely on the manipulation of it.

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  100. on January 6, 2011 at 2:12 am Good Luck Chuck

    Anyone who has lived in a pimp ass pad with a few extra bucks in the account and lots of free time on his hands will attest to the miracles these things will do for your sex life.

    Game is good, AUTO GAME is great. With wealth/status/power you go from having to approach dozens of women to get a handful of numbers where most of the chicks flake before you finally bang a couple of them to having women fight over who is going to spend the night with you after the party is over.

    It’s hard to wrap your head around the sheer power of “power” until you have actually experienced it firsthand, but lets just say that anyone who has been there will do just about anything to maintain their status.

    The great thing is that once you “make it”, that status sticks with you through thick and thin. I had the rockstar pad with all the trappings. I was on top of the world. When the economy hit the wall I had to take a step back. Went from a 4 story townhouse with a jacuzzi on the roof to a 700 sq ft one bedroom condo. Had to get rid of one of my cars. Closed one of my businesses. Everyone still thinks I’m a baller, even though I don’t feel like one. People have a strong desire to associate themselves with high status individuals, so even if you have to take a step back your status will remain intact unless you do something to completely fuck it up.

    You can spend the rest of your life collecting phone numbers and wasting hours upon hours chasing women, or you can take a chunk of that time and concentrate on making something out of yourself.

    Personally, I would rather spend a little extra time building my income stream which will allow me the time and money to travel the world and live a comfortable life with pussy as a byproduct, but hey, to each his own…..

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  101. on January 6, 2011 at 2:25 am greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzolzlzoozlzlozozzlzolz

    why would i want to impress a chick with moulding moudling moulding and sub zero fridge lzozlzoz (i dont even know hwta duiafuck that itss ) lzozlzzoozl

    but why would i want to impress a chick with moulding moudling moulding lzozozl when bene beenrnkae is wiriging her bilions of dollarz form teh fed? lzozllzzl buetgehhxhjuual lozlzozlz zlloz byutetehxjbxk;

    bernake is wiiring woemnz bilionson and trtrillions so if they want my lotsa cocka, they need 2 bring their own moulding to my diggs zlozozlozlz

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  102. on January 6, 2011 at 2:53 am Rum

    Picking up the tab (for anything) will not hurt you if you can do it with complete indifference. Do not even look at the tab for a party of 8 with lots of good wine all around when it seems right to you to pick it up. Just scribble you mark and add a skimpy tip – maybe pretending like you are much drunker than you really are. It
    t can be a teaching moment; You can explain non-verbally that cost/expense in day to day affairs have no impact on and mean nothing to you. Likewise, if custom at closing time is for everyone eating/drinking to throw money into the pile until ENOUGH is present (which I like, btw) . be sure to exhibit a kind of bored non chalance in regard to how many 100s will be going off under that non chalanvce.
    Actually paying for shit is not an irremediable faux pax, Just make it plain beyond words that paying silly officious bartenders their due is what you normally do in youtr sleep;

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  103. on January 6, 2011 at 3:15 am Guest

    Gorbachev,

    Guest here. Thanks for the comment. It sounds like we are are similarly situated in some ways.

    If you wouldn’t mind elaborating, I’m interested in why you want kids and how in particular you are “working on it.”

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  104. on January 6, 2011 at 3:16 am xsplat

    Here is a trick I use that is patented Xsplat.

    Hand the girl your wallet whenever any purchase is to be made. Tell her you don’t like to handle money.

    This sets up a bond between the two of you, gives her a small thrill from holding your powerful cash, and sets her up as your servant. And it feels good to have a personal assistant taking care of the details.

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  105. on January 6, 2011 at 3:18 am xsplat

    Also, it sends signals to her that she belongs to you, and that she is backed up by your power. Women love to play matron. Just love it.

    They start at age 4 playing house.

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  106. on January 6, 2011 at 3:22 am xsplat

    I believe I must have a core philosophical difference in regards to game than does the blog host. He preaches sending out cad signals, and avoiding provider signals.

    My approach is to send out both.

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  107. on January 6, 2011 at 3:31 am xsplat

    Also, I often use a little NLP Jeddi mind trick, when I hand the wallet – especially as I initially get to know a girl.

    “You pay”.

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  108. on January 6, 2011 at 4:42 am Anonymous

    @xsplat,

    I completely agree with the need to send both alpha and beta signs to actually “own” the girl and have hear full surrender.

    All alpha and no beta might get you some hot action, some porn-like performances, lots of vagina tingles, but not willing surrender. A woman won’t be able to *relax* into her surrender to you.

    We know what all beta no alpha yields – no tingles. But there is no need to kill whatever beta skills you have. Just develop alpha and keep honing those while exercising your natural beta-skills and maybe letting them grow under influence of a woman. All while working on your alpha.

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  109. on January 6, 2011 at 5:29 am Jerry

    Coincidentally, I was just cleaning a database yesterday where everyone (several hundred) who described themselves as a “consultant” was put into a junk folder.

    Use a more powerful word.

    I’ve already noted that a woman in love will not care when she learns her man is 15 years older than he originally said he was.

    American women will insist on seeing the office after about 3 months. They’ve got an investment to protect.

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  110. on January 6, 2011 at 6:11 am Anonymous

    @Audrey

    “In fact her willingness to jump cultural barriers, permanently (IE marriage) is a pretty good sign that she’s a cold mercenary.”

    No you have it ass-backwards Audrey you little slut. The cold blooded mercenary is the bitch that thinks she can fuck inter-culturally or inter-racially but then return to a man from her own tribe to marry. A woman who builds a successful long lasting marriage with a man is to be admired, irrespective of race.

    And all this talk about gold-diggers, high-class women, women marrying up, and women from rich backgrounds…..Fuck all that noise, i’m not a fucking woman i don’t care about bitches social class, status or wealth unless she wants sign it all over to me(women generally don’t do this). To me a young, modest, well raised, muslim or hindu virgin from a poor family is infinately higher class than an aging western slut with 10+ previous fuckpartners no matter how much she earns, how much her daddy earns or how much she expects her man to earn.

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  111. on January 6, 2011 at 6:21 am anonymous

    And i say that as no great lover of of the islamic faith or pakis, but heyy they know how to keep bitches in line.

    If you see a woman driving an expensive mercedes, BMW, Range Rover or audi in my hood, i’ll bet you a pound sterling shes wearing hijaab. It seems the pakis these days the only men with enough pride to fling all status symbols at their family, and they are by no means a rich minority here in the uk

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  112. on January 6, 2011 at 8:50 am JB

    Nice Simpson’s quote-

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  113. on January 6, 2011 at 9:05 am Jerry

    You’re not going to believe this: The National Organization of Women (NOW) is now picketing outside the new Tea Party US Congress for a federal Constitutional Amendment recognizing “women’s rights” for once and for all. Read their website announcement.

    What this means:

    1) US men are still too dumb or too busy trying to earn money to date women to have formed a National Organization of Men that could more seriously ask for men’s rights to be more firmly written into the US Constitution. After all, in a democracy where women have the right to vote, it should have been immediately obvious that men would lose their rights. Since the 1920s, hetero men should have tried to keep gays politically on their side but, even then, nominally heterosexual Beta White Knighters would help women enslave men in a democracy that doesn’t have a Constitution expressly protecting men’s rights.

    2) It means that the NOW recognizes that their current agenda regarding “rights” is so far removed from what the US Constitution says, that they want more “rights” written into it and for the new agenda to get ratified by 2 out of 3 US states as a new Amendment to the US Constitution.

    Questions:

    What are they smoking?

    Why do they feel so emboldened?

    Is it because they know something we don’t know about the makeup and attitudes of the new Republican female members of the US Congress?

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  114. on January 6, 2011 at 9:11 am Middle Greek Letter

    Skip the boat if you don’t know a lot about boats. Unless it just sits at the dock, boats will, at the first opportunity, reveal that you don’t know what you’re doing. Demonstrations of incompetence is not good game.

    (We give boats feminine names for a reason.)

    Especially a sailboat. Nothing will dampen amorous thoughts quicker than yanking on the wrong line and getting an untamed boom in the grill.

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  115. on January 6, 2011 at 9:16 am xsplat

    Jerry, your political writing is improving. Punchier and more persuasive.

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  116. on January 6, 2011 at 9:44 am Professor Woland

    I am now happily married, but 5 years ago when I was in my mid-40s, single and fairly well off, I found that the disparity in incomes made it very awkward to date. It is one thing to be able to get on a plane and fly anywhere you want and another to not be able to repair your car.

    All things held constant, having money is a huge advantage when dating. Especially, once you are out of the college meat market, which everyone eventually graduates from. No matter what anyone tells you, money does matter. Women who want to breed understand instictivly that they need to get a guy who can provide. Secondly, money confers an alpha status in ways that physical attractivness does not.

    If all I was gaming for were 6s and 7s with low expectations then I could just have gotten a haz-mat suit and gone at it.

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  117. on January 6, 2011 at 9:54 am what

    Whether it be the one being dugged or the digger….each will have their gain. One maybe seeking power and the other irresponsibility. Each will serve/feed each other’s purpose. The dugged will want to be dugged and the digger will gladly oblige. What a Sick relationship. I’m sure others would disagree….ha!

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  118. on January 6, 2011 at 10:28 am Beta States of America

    Did you see the stuffed push-up bra Nancy Pelosi wore today in the House?

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  119. on January 6, 2011 at 10:35 am Beta States of America

    Typical Texas male politicians, all hot and bothered because a Ricks is opening near the airport:

    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/01/05/airport-steaming-over-strip-club-neighbor/

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  120. on January 6, 2011 at 11:16 am Evil Alpha

    @Good Luck Chuck

    Chuck, you are dead on!!!!

    Displaying signs of money means women will actually come to you to put out. They will sit right next to you rather than one seat over. They initiate conversation rather than wait for you to open. And they will overtly flirt at every opportunity.

    Last night I got a pleasantly unexpected kiss from a friend of a friend and a blatant offer from the bartender who questioned whether by writing on my hand I was signaling for the check or her number.

    Such is the difference between game and money. “Money ” affords you the luxury of being “pursued”. And even better an easy yes, when you do feel like prowling. I remember a few years back cruising around in a borrowed (my best friend’s client was out of town) exotic car to see what it was like. I could not believe how easy it was to ask strange hotties for fake directions, act confused so I could get them into the car to personally show me and then chat them up a little so we could meet later for drinks and a fuck. I even had this one chick watch the car for 45 minutes while I had this important meeting (actually talking to my friend about my dating research at his place of work)

    Ultimately. I think that the smell of money appeals to the vast majority of women, not just gold diggers. Or maybe it’s just that the vast majority of women are gold diggers… hmmm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFirquUMVhQ

    Either way you slice it though. The good news for most guys is that you don’t even need to make six figures to seem like a millionaire. You just need some smarts and some priorities.

    Your phrase “Pussy as byproduct” is a great way of putting it.

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  121. on January 6, 2011 at 11:21 am capnrobs

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/22309266#video=23754840
    Cheating wife sends husband to jail for reading her email.

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  122. on January 6, 2011 at 11:25 am Edward

    Jerry

    The National Organization of Women (NOW) is now picketing outside the new Tea Party US Congress for a federal Constitutional Amendment recognizing “women’s rights”…

    US men are still too dumb or too busy trying to earn money to date women to have formed a National Organization of Men

    Feminist institutions like NOW and Ms. Magazine are underwritten by elite foundations trying to betatize the middle class man into serfdom.

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  123. on January 6, 2011 at 11:25 am chi-town

    It all seem kind of crazy until you think about a 10 giving you a bag of skittles and a ride in a bike basket to her studio in Queens verse stepping into a Limo with the aftermath of all you can eat pork chops.

    I am a skittles man both ways.

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  124. on January 6, 2011 at 11:26 am Edward

    Jerry

    The National Organization of Women (NOW) is now picketing outside the new Tea Party US Congress for a federal Constitutional Amendment recognizing “women’s rights”…

    US men are still too dumb or too busy trying to earn money to date women to have formed a National Organization of Men

    Feminist institutions like NOW and Ms. Magazine are underwritten by elite foundations trying to betatize the middle class man into serfdom.

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  125. on January 6, 2011 at 11:52 am Bhetti

    Ah, Priceless Game.

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  126. on January 6, 2011 at 11:59 am HUX

    @Edward

    Femerica is a rigged game.

    I’ve won it by not playing it.

    What’s the old saying? “It takes a wise man to recognize a wise man.”

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  127. on January 6, 2011 at 12:09 pm azuzuru

    Money is great, but can be an impediment to attracting the right kind of woman.

    Think about it – if your wealth/status tips the scales for the woman to like you, then you are nothing to her but a wallet.

    Hollywood and NYC are full of women who marry the studio boss or Wall Street hotshot, then fuck the pool boy on the side. Is that what you want?

    Someone posted earlier — all you need is a basic income and a decent life and you’re fine.

    I have a very high-status job but don’t tell girls what it is for a while. I only take them to the cheapest places and every few times I tell them “I think it’s your turn” when the bill comes. This turns some girls off, which is fucking great because it screens out the diggers. Once a girl has proven herself I’ll go to nicer places I like. My place is modest, too.

    Money is overrated for attracting women.

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  128. on January 6, 2011 at 12:14 pm azuzuru

    A woman’s need for social status and her need for alpha pussy tingle are different. Women can easily satisfy one need with the rich beta, and the other need with the bad boy biker. There are some very successful businessmen and sports figures who are beta to the core. These guys are being cheated on for sure while the wife/gf enjoys the social status of being with them. The woman gets the best of both worlds.

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  129. on January 6, 2011 at 12:15 pm Gorbachev

    @Guest
    Gorbachev,
    Guest here. Thanks for the comment. It sounds like we are are similarly situated in some ways.
    If you wouldn’t mind elaborating, I’m interested in why you want kids and how in particular you are “working on it.”

    Swallow the red pill and dive into the depths. You start to realize that it’s all the same. And when something not the same comes along, you grab it. Right? Anyway, we all have souls, so some of us like to get out of the empty chasm eventually.

    I’m developing a relatively serious LTR and I’m debating whether or not to make it more permanent. Again.

    Principally because I want kids. I want kids because despite the Alpha talk, there’s nothing wrong with having kids. In the right context. I also like them. And the idea deeply appeals to me. Why not?

    Anyone who thinks this is Betamax can fuck themselves.

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  130. on January 6, 2011 at 12:26 pm Ubermind

    @Xsplat

    “Here is a trick I use that is patented Xsplat.

    Hand the girl your wallet whenever any purchase is to be made. Tell her you don’t like to handle money.

    This sets up a bond between the two of you, gives her a small thrill from holding your powerful cash, and sets her up as your servant. And it feels good to have a personal assistant taking care of the details.”

    Old.

    I have discovered this trick before you and I patent its even better version. This is what I like to do:

    I give women my thick wallet to carry in theirpurse (I say I have no pockets where it doesnt bulge out or fit in. But I never speak about who will pay about what. She feels good to hold cash and feels subservant like you said – but when it comes to sudden paying I have have no wallet on me and natturally she reaches for her own wallet (She wouldn’t open mine because it would be rude and also she is not used to that) It just takes a little alfa balls for a split second not to ask her for my wallet.

    So in the end she feels good – like having recieved a lot of money while she is actually the one paying ..haha.

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  131. on January 6, 2011 at 12:30 pm brightstormyday

    Roissy said:

    ““former lover” always sounds better than “ex”) ”

    Someone’s seen the movie Little Fockers…

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  132. on January 6, 2011 at 12:46 pm Zammo

    “I give women my thick wallet to carry in theirpurse (I say I have no pockets where it doesnt bulge out or fit in. But I never speak about who will pay about what. She feels good to hold cash and feels subservant like you said – but when it comes to sudden paying I have have no wallet on me and natturally she reaches for her own wallet (She wouldn’t open mine because it would be rude and also she is not used to that) It just takes a little alfa balls for a split second not to ask her for my wallet.”

    Brilliant! Note the author of this comment did not say ask if she would put the wallet in the purse. To ask would be beta. To be more alph:

    “Put this in your purse, it doesn’t do well in my pocket.”

    In fact, asking a girl for permission to do anything is instant betatude and dries up a vagina instantly.

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  133. on January 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm Mark

    I think Roissy is right about men overestimating the effect of money in attracting women but I think it only holds true for younger women. I’ve been doing some experimenting sending out emails on an internet dating site. This site primarily has divorced middle aged women on it. The profiles at this site have a place to list income. I’ve noticed that almost all responses to my emails have come from women who make less money than what I have listed in my profile and I receive almost no responses from any female who makes more than me. Few of these women have said they only want a guy who makes more than them in their profile but I think with women it’s always better to look at what they do instead of what they say. I suspect that the women on this site with high incomes have quite a bit of trouble finding someone because they seem to stay on this site for a very long time. If, for example, a female on this site makes a hundred thousand a year, there will be very few men there who make more than her that would be acceptable to her and a lot of the ones who would be will use their money to go after a younger trophy wife instead. So, ironically, women don’t care much about money when they are young and can get a guy with money but when they get older and do want the rich guy, he’s no longer interested in them because of their age.

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  134. on January 6, 2011 at 1:08 pm Frost

    Most NA girls of today are not gold-diggers, but status-diggers. Actually girls have always been status-diggers, but gold no longer confers the same status it used to. Gorbachev hints at this when he writes that an interesting, travel-filled life is worth more than pure cash.

    Unique, exotic and ideally philanthropic travel experiences are the ultimate status symbol among the SWPLs I’m surrounded by. One of my biggest conversational roadblocks in university was that I had never traveled. When the subject came up, I would (often) watch the attraction drain out a girl’s face after I admitted I’d never been off the continent.

    Once I realized this, I pieced together a collage of the coolest and most interesting travel stories I’d heard from my friends, and used them whenever I was chatting up new meat. Of course it’s more fun to actually go places than steal stories, but that was before my student loans were paid off…

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  135. on January 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm Firepower

    xsplat

    Robert in Arabia, why would I care?

    You are just feeding the trolls, giving the guy the exact attention he is looking for.

    Why should I give a shit? What, he’s polluting peoples minds? And you are going to help put a stop to it, by raising outrage?

    Focus on your personal life and ignore the stars.

    One is capable of focusing on both.
    Limiting focus is the primary weakness – of the easily distracted.

    Raising awareness is the first weapon used against the bad behavior of the influential; in today’s childish society, rap stars go beyond influential and undeservedly enter the realm of the powerful.

    To banish criticism of these cancers on society is to plead for banishment of criticism on all focal points of influence – such as arguing for an end of criticism of Obama because it takes away valued time for our personal lives.

    Besides – if Rush Limbaugh made a video carrying only black female heads as trophies, you’d certainly see MORE outrage than a Saudi on a pua blog.

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  136. on January 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm Anonymous

    I want to be a an internation playboy.
    Like Mr Mason at the G manifesto.
    Money does matter.

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  137. on January 6, 2011 at 1:56 pm Marwinsing

    …or pull a not-too-shabby but grateful cougar out the bag.

    They’ll pay for your boyish company and if still married they’ll squander hubby’s “battered wife syndrome allowance” on you with great gusto, they’ll pay for your flight tickets, roll out delightful evenings at lavish restuarants for you, spoil you with regular boddles o’ Jack, whatever, just rub that magic lamp good and hard and Mr Genie pops out with a grin with monied cougars.

    The trick is to time your bail-out before things get too hot because baggage and problems are almost inevitable.

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  138. on January 6, 2011 at 2:47 pm DirkJohanson

    xsplat’s advice is fine for some girls, but many of the girls I’ve dated in the past 15 years have a past history of thievery of one sort of another – including an honors law school graduate. I like to leave my wallet in the car, but so many chicks have ripped me off either at home or in my car, I’m wary of doing that now.

    Beware.

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  139. on January 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm Evil Alpha

    “Money is overrated for attracting women”.

    Not it’s not. “Attracting women” means finding chicks to bang, not finding chicks to marry.

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  140. on January 6, 2011 at 2:54 pm Ovid

    I just remembered something. A while back a reader posted something about starting his own photographer’s studio as a way of meeting and bedding women. I’m wondering what the board -especially Gorb and Xsplat- think of that. If the reader I’m refering to is present, lets hear from you, kind sir!

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  141. on January 6, 2011 at 3:16 pm Gainsbourg69

    You guys are pathetic. You’re willing to lie about who you are in order to fuck girls who you can’t stand anyway?

    You are all betas.

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  142. on January 6, 2011 at 3:21 pm RF Interference

    If you were trying to scam someone via how expensive your suits looked, assuming the person you were trying to scam knew a little about suits, the marker would be working buttons on the cuffs of the jacket.

    On off-the-rack suit jackets, the buttons are just sown on top of the cuff (this allows the length of the sleeves to be adjusted without worrying about existing button holes that have been cut and can’t really be closed that well).

    The trick would be finding cuff openings on a jacket that overlap enough to allow for a tailor to add working buttons.

    Buy a suit off the rack, get a tailor to make whatever adjustments were necessary to the jacket and break of the pants, add working buttons on the cuffs of the jacket, and then take off the labels and claim it was tailored for you.

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  143. on January 6, 2011 at 3:41 pm anonymouses anonymous

    Money does not equal game, it makes game easier. Just the same as good looks makes games easier.

    Good looks gets you forgiveness when the lack thereof would get you blown out. Money gets you access to more higher quality women.

    That is, you will find many more runway models in SoHo than in an Indiana trailerpark. (But, wasn’t Anna Nicole Smith living in a trailerpark when the billionaire met her?)

    Money makes having power easier, because many people will do things for money when conversation fails to convince. Money feeds one of the four areas of attraction, security, or, the ability to provide for loved ones.

    Having siad all that, I would prefer having money for my own comfort than not having it.

    But, having sid all that, this article was more about fooling the gold digger.

    My own GD encounter was one of my first sexual successes after learning pickup. It was also the motivation I needed to learn from Roissy.

    I did not realize she was a gold digger, at first. I thought she was just horny like me.

    It was after a month of sex every night that she asked for money to buy her kids Christmas gifts. I thought, “A couple hundred bucks will make her happy, and is well worth the tight pussy she had.” So I offered a couple hundred.

    She had $10,000 in mind.

    WTF? Even if her pussy was made of gold, $10K was NOT coming from me. I did not have it.

    That was the last time I paid for any woman for anything. Prior to that, I was the guy who paid for drinks and dinners.

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  144. on January 6, 2011 at 3:56 pm HUX

    I’m leaving this forum. No more comments.

    What are you guys doing? Bangin’ chick after chick leads to inevitable loneliness and probably a few STDs along the way.

    The best application of game is for your LTR GF or wife.
    Most American guys are miserable with their wives because they have no clue how to control them. They are loser betas who married 6-7s and are now cheating on 4-5s. It’s beyond pathetic.

    All of this doesn’t mean YOU can’t be happily married. You can. I know it because I’ve done it. I am happily married and have been for years.

    But I never stop gaming my wife. EVER. It’s second nature now. It’s always MY frame, MY life, MY adventure, and she’s always IN. She is constantly off-balance as to what my next move is. There is absolutely no question who wears the pants in the relationship.

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  145. on January 6, 2011 at 3:59 pm Evil Alpha

    @Gainsbouirg69.

    Most of us are less “dishonest” than a breast implant or push up bra. Now stop trolling.

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  146. on January 6, 2011 at 4:02 pm HUX

    Sorry, I lied. Accidently pressed the “POST” button before I was finished.

    Watching American Betas take orders from a woman IS PAINFUL TO WATCH.

    I mean, a man taking orders from a woman is HORRIBLE. It’s the universe turned upside-down.

    Get out of the U.S. while you still can and find a good woman while you still can. (the window of opportunity is rapidly closing.)

    NONE is to be found in the U.S., Canada, or Europe. Forget it. Do not waste your time.

    My take is that GAME is for long-term happiness, NOT balling around. IOW, don’t blow good game on worthless wenches. Use your skills on a girl who’s WORTH it. (And I know, they’re VERY hard to find.)

    Rant off.

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  147. on January 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm Evil Alpha

    @Hux. I am not lonely. As a matter of fact it is quite the contrary. I do not put up with a lot of crap because I know I have options. I can sleep with a girl 1 night only or 30 nights in a row. I can schedule her in once a week between the others. If I fancy her friend I can get with her.

    You however can only bang the same pussy every night and that’s only if she is willing to spread 30 days every night.

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  148. on January 6, 2011 at 4:11 pm what

    “No no, I will treat you!”.( touching his hand across the table). hehe!! he said, “really?! ok!” (smilng soooooo sweet). so we ate, we talked , we laughed ahahhah!! lalala!! The bill came at the end of the meal! lol!!! he took out his wallet and paid……lollolol!! I was putting on my lip stick, paying attention to my LIPS!!(very important)hehe!! He looked at me and me at him….”oops, didn’t I say I’ll pay?!” ( eyes wide, really looking surprised hehhehhe!!). He said “Darn, I’m so used to paying I just did it! “hahhahhah!! We both laughed. I went in to give him a BIGGGGGG! kiss. soooooo sweet. Now I have to retrain him from always paying. It’s not about keeping score, but about reciprocality.

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  149. on January 6, 2011 at 4:17 pm Ronin

    @Gainsbourg69 the troll cunt.
    “You guys are pathetic. You’re willing to lie about who you are in order to fuck girls who you can’t stand anyway?

    You are all betas.”

    Women never lie (make up, push bras, implants, hair extention,etc). Get the fuck outta here.

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  150. on January 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm Gorbachev

    @Ovid
    I just remembered something. A while back a reader posted something about starting his own photographer’s studio as a way of meeting and bedding women. I’m wondering what the board -especially Gorb and Xsplat- think of that. If the reader I’m refering to is present, lets hear from you, kind sir!

    Great idea.

    I ammend it:

    Start a studio to do actual work and get some. Or start a blog. Review restaurants, do a city guide, do something. Make it funny. Make money. Don’t make money. Whatever. But start a semi-real studio to bang chicks. I know one guy who regularly sleeps with models through his photography studio.

    Of course, he makes some money, but fucking models all the time is a tangible benefit.

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  151. on January 6, 2011 at 4:31 pm Good Luck Chuck

    Evil Alpha-

    “The smell of money” is exactly what attracts women. More accurately, it is the aura of status and power that is projected by a man of means that attracts women.

    I have mentioned before that when I was livin’ large, the women didn’t even have to see my house or cars to get lubed. The attitude that I was projecting and the status I had among the various social groups I was involved in ensured that I had a steady supply of women who were instantly attracted and required little gaming.

    I’ve played the whole numbers game and it SUCKS. Chat up 20 chicks. Get 12 numbers. Call 9 of them. 4 don’t bother to answer. 2 enthusiastically agree to meet up with you but flake at the last second. 2 you manage to meet up with but they both fizzle out after the first or second date. Finally, you are bestowed with the honor of banging a grand total of ONE chick. All of that effort for one lousy (and it is usually lousy) lay. And if you live in the good ole’ US of A like I do, chances are that she’s not exactly in mint condition, if you know what I mean.

    That’s all good and fine for college guys but it’s a little sad when it is your primary goal in life at age 30+.

    And yes, pussy is indeed a byproduct of success. Regardless of the keyboard jockey definition of “alpha” and “beta”, the fact remains that Tiger Woods and Johnny Depp and Bill Clinton are infinitely more alpha than any of us here can fathom. Would they be “better” with women if they learned a little bit about the science of attraction? Of course. Do you think they care? Pffft….

    These guys who think they have found the magic key to life because they have learned how to talk a woman out of her pants are going to be in for a rude awakening. I could easily have a new piece of ass every couple of weeks if I were to spend four nights a week on the party circuit with my friends. Problem with that scenario is that my businesses would suffer, and I’m not about to waste my life chasing whores when I could spend a couple more years focusing on my businesses and let the whores eventually chase me.

    Factor in the MANY other perks that money can bring to your life, and your priorities should become very clear.

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  152. on January 6, 2011 at 4:39 pm itsme

    Bangin’ chick after chick leads to inevitable loneliness

    but why, exactly?

    unqualified, this kind of statement sounds like social conditioning. maybe even something a feminist would say to keep men on a short leash while at the same time preserving a woman’s ‘right’ to hypergamy.

    i have never felt lonely in my life. does this mean there’s something wrong with me, or am i simply viewing things from outside the matrix?

    to me, a person who feels lonely is someone who can’t stand their own company.

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  153. on January 6, 2011 at 4:45 pm Firepower

    itsme

    Bangin’ chick after chick leads to inevitable loneliness

    but why, exactly

    cuz all my beta freinds got jealous and ditched

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  154. on January 6, 2011 at 4:50 pm HUX

    @Itsme

    Last post.

    You’re right. I keep forgeting I’m not a Gen X’er (or later). The younger set is too post-modern to be lonely.

    Things are the way they are now.

    Sorry about that anachronism.

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  155. on January 6, 2011 at 4:56 pm Rain And

    They should call this shirt “the Roosh”.

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  156. on January 6, 2011 at 4:58 pm Gainsbourg69

    Good Luck Chuck, the guy with the dough will get plenty of attention but it’s usually from gold diggers and other undesireables. Have you ever noticed how guys with real money don’t flaunt it? They try to avoid becoming marks because it sucks to be sorrounded by people who think they can get something from you.

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  157. on January 6, 2011 at 4:59 pm Evil Alpha

    @Ovid

    A while back a reader posted something about starting his own photographer’s studio as a way of meeting and bedding women. I’m wondering what the board -especially Gorb and Xsplat- think of that…

    Only start a photography studio if you are interested in photography! Rarely start a hobby for the sole purpose of getting ass. Just keep your eyes open for using your interest as an opportunity for pussy and you will be fine.

    For instance.

    While in college I “interviewed” multiple women about female orgasm for a psychology class. Of course I banged lots of them as a result.

    I also started a business as a website consultant… specifically targeting internet “models”. Oftentimes, I got both paid and laid. I have more examples, but I think you get the picture.

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  158. on January 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm BDS

    Is anyone surprised that HUX’s droning advice is given only on this board and not applied to score ass in his own life?

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  159. on January 6, 2011 at 6:00 pm Evil Alpha

    @Good Luck Chuck
    I agree with almost everything you said save one.

    The numbers game can be well worth it with a few tweaks that really minimize male effort and female flaking.

    1. Watch the female to male ratio. 3 tacos for every sausage is the minimum for any gathering.

    2. Never date. Meet for drinks or have the girls throw small house parties. They love that shit anyway.

    3. Make sure the females you “befriend” either work in the food service industry, or retail. For whatever reason those jobs attract young, attractive women who put out really fast. Maybe it’s all the customer service brainwashing. I dunno.

    The strategy above kept me banging 7’s and 8’s with minimum effort/cost for several years.

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  160. on January 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm Guest

    GoodLuckChuck

    So you lose money chasing women but you never lose women chasing money?

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  161. on January 6, 2011 at 6:31 pm Edward

    HUX
    I’m leaving this forum. No more comments.

    What are you guys doing? Bangin’ chick after chick leads to inevitable loneliness and probably a few STDs along the way.

    The best application of game is for your LTR GF or wife.

    Banging chick after chick can have negative effects on those with a conscience about “using” people, but I am not here to judge anyone.

    Game is certainly advantageous to all heterosexual men, even if they do no aspire to become PUA’s.

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  162. on January 6, 2011 at 7:21 pm The End

    Money is just a means to a goal in life. As long as you can satisfy your goals then you probably have enough money. There is no magical number that will provide maximum return.

    I have largely lived my life in the upper middle classes and I am quite happy. I think any more or any less would present a handicap and I am in the “sweet spot”. Unless you live in Manhattan or another expensive city around $100,000 a year should be plenty to provide for an easy life. If you have less you find yourself having to compromise on living arrangements, style, social life, etc. and if you have any more it tends to make you “prey” for some women which requires tighter game. Sure some guys can pull it off, but in my experience, most can’t since they get so used to spending cash instead of keeping tight game.

    Plus if you are making more than what will maintain an upper middle class lifestyle chances are you are also sacrificing your personal time. What is the point of making an executive salary if you can’t get out to the clubs until 10PM, then you are pounding away at the Crackberry, only getting back to your posh condo to pass out and do it all the next day? Sure, you have money, but you can’t enjoy it. Whereas, the upper middle management guys can hit happy hour, get to the club while the girls are still looking, and get to at least enjoy their nice condos some weeknights and most weekends.

    I have largely been in middle management, toward the upper end, for most of my career. I took the bump to executive at one company and did that for a year. Despite the huge increase in salary, I lost all my free time. I got laid at least half as much that year as opposed to my worst year in the last ten. After working 14-16 hour days the thought of hitting the bars, clubs, or other parties were quite distant. After that year was up I took a middle management job at another company and never returned. Was I underemployed? Yup. But, since I was not only good, but great at what I did no one bugged me and people left me alone. I had flexibility in my career and enough money to live comfortably. I have been doing it ever since.

    Just remember to always balance work life/personal life/money carefully. A job is a job and you can lose it in one second. Just ask all those bankers in NYC that used to make bank and now are currently on unemployment or working at Starbucks. As long as you have enough money to pay your bills and enough disposable income to screw around a bit, invest the rest of your effort in your personal life.

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  163. on January 6, 2011 at 7:54 pm Anonymous

    Pasty nerd six figures has nothing on ballsy iron fist 6 figures.

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  164. on January 6, 2011 at 7:58 pm Evil Alpha

    Banging chick after chick can have negative effects on those with a conscience about “using” people, but I am not here to judge anyone.

    Of course you are here to judge. You wouldn’t you say that a woman who goes on a lot of dates is using a man now would you?

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  165. on January 6, 2011 at 8:07 pm Workshy Joe

    The first six paragraphs are right on.

    Give women the choice of Javier Bardem or Bill Gates for vag tingles and who would they pick?

    So its not all about money. Looks count too.

    But what if Javier Bardem started acting like a beta?

    So its not all about looks. GAME matters too.

    Without at least minimal game, it all turns to shit (tests).

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  166. on January 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm xsplat

    Ubermind “I give women my thick wallet to carry in theirpurse”

    That’s fine if the dynamic you are trying to highlight is that she is chasing you.

    But I know exactly what dynamic I want, and it includes her feeling financially taken care of. It’s the Daddy dynamic. As a kid, you wouldn’t buy your parents dinner, would you? I want the girl to feel she is my subordinate and slave and family – that if I would die a huge chunk of her would die, and she would be emotionally and perhaps even physically destitute.

    I WANT her to be financially dependent on me.

    I am her ground. I’m not someone she visits to fuck. I am her life. Every aspect of anything important to her relies on me. I can give or take away. I am her center.

    I am the center of my house, of my business, of my world, and of my woman.

    Money is very useful aspect of game, if you want total domination of her mind and soul and body.

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  167. on January 6, 2011 at 8:26 pm xsplat

    But unlike with sex, with money I leave em not quite sated. The notion is that they are provisioned, but luxuries are treats, not givens. I’ll take a close girl clothes shopping, and spring for the occasional pair of shoes, but I don’t buy jewelry. Occasionally she gets to visit the salon for a do.

    One girl has been with me for 4 or 5 years now. We lived together 3. 2.5 before I met my Jakarta girl, and .5 after she died. She’s now my secretary, but most every time I see her she explains that she still loves me. Not in a lovelorn way, but a heartfelt and cheerful way. We are family. She’s still a complete slave, in all ways. I am a tightwad skinflint with her, deliberately keeping her holding little cash. She has to always run back to me for her needs – even small needs. She is dependent.

    And even though she has another boyfriend in China now, and another suitor, keeping this financial bond keeps me in her HEART. I know some guys think that money and love live in distinct compartments in the female brain, but I’m telling you that the compartments inter-permeate. Have her dependent on you, and she will love you. That’s how the female brain works.

    I find it very helpful to use this to advantage. It’s not a moral issue, it’s a practical one. Keep her down, financially – don’t let her become financially independent. Have her work for you. Have her rely on you for all things. Give her just enough security that she can relax and not feel the need to look elsewhere, but not so much that she starts to feel that her power is owned by herself. Her power is owned and controled by you. You are her center, in all ways. Without you her sexual, emotional, and physical life would crumble to deathly dust.

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  168. on January 6, 2011 at 8:30 pm xsplat

    By the way, as secretary she gets no salary. I simply pay her expenses. This turns out to be a slightly higher pay than I would pay a secretary, but the dynamic is in my favor, so I choose to pay more for a more slave like dynamic. A salary makes the person feel independant. Paying expenses makes them feel dependent, but also much more taken care of.

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  169. on January 6, 2011 at 8:39 pm xsplat

    You want to take on the attitude that the girl does not have a fully developed ego. Because she doesn’t. Girls are not independent creatures – they are hive mind creatures, and they rely on their man to be their ego – their center of control.

    So take on that role. At her core is not her whims and desires. At her core is a desire to please you.

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  170. on January 6, 2011 at 8:50 pm xsplat

    So now it may dawn on the reader that having girls call me Daddy is not a kink. It’s a dynamic so natural that it is an archetype. Girls love this dynamic so much, that they take it up themselves. I don’t say “call me Daddy”. They decide to do so, following minimal cues.

    Girls want to be taken care of and to follow orders – to be subservient members of a pack with a strong leader. They want a Daddy.

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  171. on January 6, 2011 at 9:00 pm xsplat

    Firepower

    Raising awareness is the first weapon used against the bad behavior of the influential; in today’s childish society, rap stars go beyond influential and undeservedly enter the realm of the powerful.

    I’ve never heard of that guy. In this case raising awareness is free publicity.

    Exactly what he was looking for.

    You got tooled.

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  172. on January 6, 2011 at 9:00 pm Edward

    Evil Alpha
    You wouldn’t you say that a woman who goes on a lot of dates is using a man now would you?

    Of course I would. No doubt the sting of being used by such a woman is diminished by using her back. However, there is a different sexual dynamic between men and women who are not using each other.

    Roissy Maxim #80: The more cocks that have ravaged a woman, the less any one cock will mesmerize her.

    The multiple partner lifestyle certainly dishevels women more than men, but it may have some effect on men.

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  173. on January 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm xsplat

    Don’t you realize how rich that porn magnate got off of that one cover of grinding a white girl in a hand cranked meat grinder?

    Sheeple. Getting tooled by outrage.

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  174. on January 6, 2011 at 9:09 pm xsplat

    DirkJohanson

    xsplat’s advice is fine for some girls, but many of the girls I’ve dated in the past 15 years have a past history of thievery of one sort of another

    You want to psychologically guide the woman to the place where stealing from you would be stealing from herself. You want to get her to believe that you are her family.

    Love may be a lie, but it is a lie that we are built to support. It’s an archetype that we naturally fall into. Familial bonds can be created quite quickly.

    A woman deep down wants someone to take care of, and someone to take care of her. Give her cues that she is taking care of, and she will inevitably start to feel the feelings associated with that action. That she is doing it because she really loves you and wants to care for you.

    A great part of game is getting the woman to take care of you physically.

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  175. on January 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm xsplat

    Ovid, search the stickmanbankok.com website for a post about using photography as a means of bedding women. One guy does erotic shots, and gets laid in his studio regularly. He details his techniques.

    I met two jewelry salesmen who could pull by vending, but both were spectacularly handsome and charismatic. One of the two was a machine and would set up several evening dates in the day, in the event of a blow off. I pulled only rarely in that venue, and must admit part of that was not the venue, but my ineptitude. And another my looks. Now that I’m thinking of it, I’m reminded of a guy I brought on dead tour vending with me. He was tall with Adonis looks and wild eyed charisma, and got laid every single fucking night. I got laid once the whole summer tour!

    I guess you’ve got to play to your strengths. I do poorly in any venue where other males are present, as I compare poorly. A private photography studio is an intimate location.

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  176. on January 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm xsplat

    Oh, and that Adonis I took on tour with me was not aloof. He’d bore a hole into a girl with his eyes, with this stupid happy grin on his face, and the girls would look (way) up at him and instantly melt. He didn’t cock his face to left, in an askance posture signaling aloofness. Straight on straight at the girl energy. He also had a boyish softness to him and a childish playfullness. He’d spent some time nude dancing in a gay club when 18, so he was sexually at ease with his inner feminine as well as masculine. He was charismatic in a way that was inviting and engaging – not one aspect of him was withdrawn or disintersted or aloof. He was a little exuberant puppy.

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  177. on January 6, 2011 at 9:45 pm itsme

    @xsplat

    he didn’t need to be aloof (it might even worked against him) because he was a tall adonis. his physical characteristics were complemented by his energy.

    if he looked like jimmy kimmel it’s unlikely he would have pulled as much tail. eagerness in this case would have come across as desperation, not as charm.

    most of us are probably a bit closer to jimmy kimmel than adonis…

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  178. on January 6, 2011 at 10:15 pm xsplat

    Itsme, I’m ugly but a big part of my charisma is my intensity. While this may have worked against me in my youth, it has since become my strength.

    It’s often like that, you know. What were once your deficits become your strengths. Empathy can be a deficit, until you attach it to the other required components of personality, then it is a strength. Sensitivity, same. Effeminate bearing, same.

    Consider the famous film pirate dandy. He is a conglomerate of sensitivity, effeminacy, empathetic to the point of being able read peoples true desires, yet mixed perfectly with independence and authority and daring.

    On this blog the attitude seems often to be to remove all traces of beta – but that’s just a pendulum swing. If a personality were a meal, you don’t want to be just the dessert. You don’t want to remove all salt. You want proportion and variety and a good presentation.

    And so for aloofness or acting like a puppy dog. All of us, all men, need to be able to dance in front of our girls, to let our voices sing with abandon when fucking, to engage deeply and personally, to be playful and fun, as well as to be the authority who can ultimately take or leave her. You need to harness all of the skills – not merely replace them with a new skill set.

    Balance.

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  179. on January 6, 2011 at 10:40 pm Good Luck Chuck

    Gainsbourg69-

    Good Luck Chuck, the guy with the dough will get plenty of attention but it’s usually from gold diggers and other undesireables. Have you ever noticed how guys with real money don’t flaunt it? They try to avoid becoming marks because it sucks to be sorrounded by people who think they can get something from you.

    Fallacy.

    The guy with dough gets attention from ALL women. Even the ones who claim that they don’t care about money. It is encoded in their DNA.

    Money doesn’t attract most women in a direct manner- it’s the power and status that comes along with having money that women are drawn to.

    In other words, guys who have “real” money don’t need to flaunt it. It oozes from their pores.

    Surprisingly few women are true gold diggers. Most are simply attracted to the aura that is projected by a man with wealth/status/power.

    I have been on both sides of the fence multiple times over the past decade and I was fortunate enough to have experienced it after my eyes were opened to the reality of life.

    Evil Alpha-

    I would have to make a special effort to put myself into a situation where the ratios are in my favor. The reality is that in most social situations in the US men outnumber women.

    I actually do practice something similar but my spin is that I use social proof game. Either bring some girls with me that act as pivots, or simply let women you know bring their friends to you. That’s how I hook up 75% of the time.

    And just to make it clear- I don’t “date” in a traditional sense. That’s for chumps and boyfriends. It’s either meetup with friends or a one on one drink at a lounge near my condo.

    Guest-

    That is 100% correct.

    Guys who say that they can get all the pussy they want for free don’t understand that time IS money. That means that it will almost always cost you to get laid, one way or another.

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  180. on January 6, 2011 at 10:50 pm xsplat

    Guys who say that they can get all the pussy they want for free don’t understand that time IS money. That means that it will almost always cost you to get laid, one way or another.

    My idea of a meetup is to have the girl come over, fuck her, then let her watch TV on my bed while I lay naked beside her making money on my laptop.

    On a dinner date I’ll be making money on my laptop.

    The girls usually are a net financial gain, but they don’t cost me in terms of time that I’d rather spend in other ways.

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  181. on January 6, 2011 at 11:20 pm DirkJohanson

    Offsetting the cost, I have to admit, pussy has made me some money, too. And I’m not just referring to the grand total of $225.00 I’ve made over the course of my life from starring in porn.

    The only reason I bought a house, let alone a fairly nice one with cathedral ceilings, was to get laid, and it actually went up in value over $35K over the course of about 6 years before I sold it.

    Another time, I was in an overpriced bar after a severely overpriced dinner in a steak restaurant and the guy sitting next to me gave me a stock tip. In fact, it was for a Chinese retail ewelry company, and I’d be hunting around for just such a stock figuring that the imbalanced sex ratio in China would cause the cost of keeping pussy satisfied to go through the roof. I bought the stock the next day, and two weeks later, cashed out with a $4,200 gain.

    I also claimed a broad as a dependent on my taxes in 2010, even though I didn’t even meet her until November of that year, and she only lived with me that year for about 3 weeks. The additional exemption saved me about a grand.

    So, its not all outflows, even for a golddigger-fooling guy like myself.

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  182. on January 6, 2011 at 11:25 pm xsplat

    That’s right, DirkJ. My attitude from the get go is that the woman is working for me.

    If she’s cooking and cleaning, that frees up more time for me to make money.

    I don’t pay for pussy. I entrap women to give me their labor, and I recompense that labor in kind, to my overall benefit.

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  183. on January 7, 2011 at 12:46 am Gainsbourg69

    Good Luck Chuck –

    “Fallacy.

    The guy with dough gets attention from ALL women. Even the ones who claim that they don’t care about money. It is encoded in their DNA.

    Money doesn’t attract most women in a direct manner- it’s the power and status that comes along with having money that women are drawn to.”

    There are plenty of rich guys who are invisible to women because they don’t come off as having power or status. Your mistake is assuming that every rich guy has Richard Branson’s vibe. That’s just simply not true.

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  184. on January 7, 2011 at 12:54 am xsplat

    There are plenty of rich guys who are invisible to women because they don’t come off as having power or status. Your mistake is assuming that every rich guy has Richard Branson’s vibe. That’s just simply not true.

    As a lousy entrepreneur, I’ve spend a lot of time being broke. In my early thirties I was in the midst of a 4 year dry spell, when I suddenly hit it rich. Poof, I suddenly had three girlfriends.

    Money makes MOST men confident. Money makes MOST men attractive. Money helps game, inner and outer, enormously.

    At the very least it improves confidence and power, from what they were.

    But if we are talking about time, then yes, you need to regularly devote a good chunk of your life to people skills, or more specifically interacting with women.

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  185. on January 7, 2011 at 1:03 am SN2

    I’ve been lurking through the comments for a little while but now I have to speak.

    All the dudes who seem to think that money IS the most important thing (or very, very important) are forgetting where they are. This is a place for men with game and those learning and perfecting it to confer.

    Seems like a lot of you are feeling vindicated because $$$$ is being discussed in relation to women. So, you’ve taken this as an opportunity to explain why it is that you throw $$$ at bitches and why it’s so alpha or whatever. There’s always a time and place to spend money on hoes. However, those are few and far between. Remember, we’re talking about gold-diggers here. We want to fuck and chuck as many of them as possible. No way in hell should any man feel the need to spend money on a ho to keep her on his arm. I don’t care how much you make or have. Pride is the only thing I have and I’d like to keep it intact.

    Agree or disagree I really don’t care. But just as sure as the hamster spins and the gina tingles, so too does the bottom of your heart break if you know for a fact that your woman is only with you because you’re deep wit $$$$.

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  186. on January 7, 2011 at 1:12 am xsplat

    “But just as sure as the hamster spins and the gina tingles, so too does the bottom of your heart break if you know for a fact that your woman is only with you because you’re deep wit $$$$.”

    Oh, that’s so fucking weak.

    As opposed to what? What is it about you that you want her to love? The “real” you?

    Money makes women LOVE. It makes men attractive.

    You don’t want a woman to be with you just because you are handsome? Just because you are smart? Two gifts you are not responsible for.

    Having money means you were able to make smart decisions. That’s something you can be proud of. That’s more the real you than is a handsome face.

    A good personality is also a decision. That’s another thing you can be proud of.

    Both money and personality are aspects of game that are under our control, and that help women to LOVE us.

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  187. on January 7, 2011 at 1:20 am xsplat

    I’m not the only poster on here who’se initial confidence boost from having money has boosted his overall game, even through yeas of lean times.

    And my game and confidence does fluctuate with my finances, I’m not shy to admit. When you are rich, your options expand. Just being able to afford travel, or to have two apartments, helps a great deal logistically. Not to mention all the status markers – and don’t fool yourself that these are inconsequential. This post is about mimicking them. How much better to actually have them? To invite the girl over to your office, meet your employees, to easily afford any meal, to be able to do anything the fuck that you want, money not being an object. With no money, you can get a loyal girl to live with you in rat infested hovel and be your personal love slave. I know – I’ve done it a few times. But with money you can do more. Much more.

    Money is a social lubricant on par with alcohol.

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  188. on January 7, 2011 at 1:52 am SN2

    Whatever xsplat.

    All you’re really saying is that your confidence should be boosted whenever you’re around MEN if you have $$$$. Only men are able to recognize a man who has made good decisions and has his head on straight financially. Women are too stupid and naive to know the difference (you should know this if you’re learning anything by reading this blog).

    Are you looking for a wifey???

    I have money but I don’t wanna brag about it because I’m smart enough to know that there is always some dude with more so if I rely on that as crutch when picking up hoes I wouldn’t be able to respect myself.

    In the end, I like to know for my own reasons that I pull and bang bitches because my personality is magnetic and that with or without money my cock stays wet. I keep myself in great shape and I’ve cultivated an interesting personality and life to share with ho’s. These are thing I can take credit for because I’ve done it myself.

    You’re taking it personally. Relax brother.

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  189. on January 7, 2011 at 2:23 am xsplat

    Taking it personally? That’s an odd thing to say.

    Yes, of course you don’t need money to get laid. Are you saying that it doesn’t actually help?

    Maybe you’ve never experienced the contrasts in your own life to compare.

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  190. on January 7, 2011 at 2:29 am Anonymous

    @xsplat

    “When you are rich, your options expand. Just being able to afford travel, or to have two apartments, helps a great deal logistically. Not to mention all the status markers – and don’t fool yourself that these are inconsequential. This post is about mimicking them. How much better to actually have them?”

    I think you should read the original post again. Sure it’s easy to say make money, get power, get women. But honestly, what’s easier…mimicking the status markers (and alpha traits) of a rich man or slaving for years or decades trying to become wealthy?

    Not to mention there are plenty of guys that have passions for occupations that pay shit…

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  191. on January 7, 2011 at 2:32 am SN2

    @xsplat

    When you called my 1st post weak, it seemed like you thought I was talking to you. Then you let loose a tidal wave of rationalization.

    Either you’re a narcissist or I touched a nerve.

    (I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you).

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  192. on January 7, 2011 at 2:38 am xsplat

    I called it weak because guys who shit on money game are invariably jealous.

    You never hear a guy who either has money or has experienced money bad mouth money.

    People are invested in believing that they are attractive. No one wants to hear that the higher ups are actually higher up. It’s in our nature to cut down our rivals. The tall poppy syndrome. The crab basket syndrome.

    The only downside to money is that it takes time to get it. Money itself is nothing but upsides. If you can manage to have both money and free time, your game WILL improve.

    It’s weak to bad mouth a viable sexual strategy, out of jealousy.

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  193. on January 7, 2011 at 2:41 am xsplat

    Anonymous, most of us are not consumate actors, and can not truly internalize the confidence that money confers, without money. If you can, good on you. Even if you can, I’d bet good money your confidence would improve even more with money.

    And didn’t you notice my point about logistics? I have a woman holding my dick right now, as I type, and tonight I will meet my ping pong buddy in my lavishly appointed 2nd abode, while my girl waits in my apartment.

    If your point is that money doesn’t help, you are deluded.

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  194. on January 7, 2011 at 2:42 am SN2

    @xsplat

    I was once like you are now.

    Before I learned game, of course.

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  195. on January 7, 2011 at 2:45 am xsplat

    And you’re implying that I haven’t learned game?

    Weak.

    Does money help – yes or no?

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  196. on January 7, 2011 at 2:55 am SN2

    This is the internet, buddy. Are you new here???

    You’re telling us about girls you have and houses you own and blah, blah, blah. None of this can be confirmed so why waste your breath?

    If I were to type out the kind of comments that you’re posting now I’d feel like a tool. What I have/don’t have is irrelevant because it can’t be confirmed. Which is why I won’t get into it. This is eerily similar to a conversation I would be having with a woman (i.e. not logical).

    The original article is titled: Fooling Golddiggers. You’re championing the cause of men who are Fooled by Golddiggers. This isn’t Jezebel.com, dude.

    You’ve been smoked out.

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  197. on January 7, 2011 at 2:58 am xsplat

    Does money help, yes or no?

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  198. on January 7, 2011 at 3:08 am SN2

    Ya money helps and here’s why:

    I need just enough to buy a single round once I’ve made the golddigger buy me 3.

    Peace.

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  199. on January 7, 2011 at 3:10 am xsplat

    Nope, no peace. Guys who self delude themself irritate me. But I suppose you need to be irrational in order to have irrational self confidence.

    You can’t even admit to yourself that money would improve your game.

    Not worth talking to a guy who hates reality so much.

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  200. on January 7, 2011 at 3:29 am Viagra_Falls

    Money is progressively less of an issue the closer you are to possessing perfect game; in reality very few of us have perfect game, so yeah it matters for most guys.

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  201. on January 7, 2011 at 3:39 am xsplat

    Money is progressively less of an issue the closer you are to possessing perfect game; in reality very few of us have perfect game, so yeah it matters for most guys.

    That’s true, for one night stands.

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  202. on January 7, 2011 at 3:41 am Ubermind

    @xsplat

    That is all fine if you have mucho money and don’t know where to put it and if it comes easy to you.

    I am not that rich and for me game is all about freedom from money. The notion that I can get hotter chicks than my boss who earns 3 times more than me, really turns me on.

    While I know very well that some additional money would boost my confidence to new dimensions – I see the very act of maintaining high confidence despite financial mediocrity as a beneficial spiritual discipline.

    And with game pussy comes easier than money. So why should I bother too hard?

    Also I am quite young and a lack of mucho money and car is justified. I game chicks with cars for LTR so I don’t have to buy one. Since I learned Game I have only kept chicks who actually help me to SAVE money not spend. That is because I know then when I get older like you – being poor and all spent would look much worse. I would have something that would be my advice for all the young guys out there. Don’t spend the work and money of your youth to women!

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  203. on January 7, 2011 at 3:46 am xsplat

    Ubermind, money is an attractiveness trigger. You don’t have to use it. If you can, it’s one extra tool. It’s a helpful tool.

    This fact seems to perturb people. People without money.

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  204. on January 7, 2011 at 5:01 am walawala

    @xsplat

    “”The frame of mind I adopt is to be a skin-flint provider. I pay for all food, and “taxi” expenses.

    Lately I’ve started even playing with giving a tiny monthly allowance – a very common practice for older expats.””

    “”And even though she has another boyfriend in China now, and another suitor, keeping this financial bond keeps me in her HEART. “”

    A variety of women have put this idea to me as well, in some cases Mainland girls who want someone to “take care of them”, or Filipina or Indonesian girls, who want some type of “allowance”.

    I’ve 100% REFUSED. In fact, when they bring it up, I treat it as any other shit test and say things like “Well, you know I need to support my 10 children and sick mother back in the home country, so I’m grateful for any help you can provide.”

    I think it sets a bad precedent with women for this arrangement. It predicates the whole relationship on money and dependence.

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  205. on January 7, 2011 at 5:15 am xsplat

    “I think it sets a bad precedent with women for this arrangement. It predicates the whole relationship on money and dependence.”

    Perhaps you have a moral issue against that dynamic. A lot of men do.

    From a strictly pragmatic viewpoint, it can be to a mans advantage. Even more-so than an advantage to the woman.

    And please realize that for women in general and women in Asia in particular, money and love blend. They are not as distinct as men would naively hope.

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  206. on January 7, 2011 at 5:52 am xsplat

    Regarding an allowance, Walawala, consider that time is money for both sexes. If you employ your woman at a rate advantageous to yourself, you will earn a profit from her labor, in the exact same way that employers earn profit by purchasing labor from employees.

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  207. on January 7, 2011 at 5:55 am xsplat

    And the idea that the relationship is predicated on money can be a turnoff for me too. I’m not into having a rental wife, as that diminishes intimacy.

    You don’t have to think in terms of either or. You make her unable to live without you for emotional reasons ALSO.

    If there is any advantage to be had, take it. If there is any attractiveness button to push, push it. There are no rules about the best, most Alpha buttons. There are only various buttons.

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  208. on January 7, 2011 at 6:09 am xsplat

    And why would you prefer your woman earns her own money? Why would you want to have any other boss other than yourself? She needs an employer, to be sure. Why not you?

    Do you have no use for a woman’s labor?

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  209. on January 7, 2011 at 6:58 am walawala

    @xsplat

    I hear everything you’re saying, and I see this all the time. These women who want “taxi money” or whatever…..

    It’s them leading us when they do that. You give me money…I fuck you….you are the man…you know how it works here….

    That’s how the conversation often starts.

    This post is about “fooling gold-diggers” not enabling them.

    I knew a pilot that “fell in love” with super hot Fiilipina. The guy left his wife for this shell of a woman.

    And what did he get?

    He was topping her up financially and she wouldn’t “let” him go further with her. Why?

    Because she had another “lover” in the US. She had to be home when he called at a certain time or she would be “cut off”.

    You don’t need game to score with these girls. They’re the ones gaming you.

    These girls set up these situations where they’re getting cash flow from various men.

    Then they profess their love for you until the tap is turned off.

    It’s like those scenes in the Sopranos when Pauly comes around to collect money for the “benevolent” association.

    It’s pay to play in these South Asian countries. It’s a game….but it a’int “game”.

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  210. on January 7, 2011 at 7:39 am xsplat

    Walawala, I know you are earnest in trying to hear what I’m saying, but I can’t help but feel frustrated that you have not paid much attention to what I’m saying.

    You keep coming at me with this either/or dichotomy.

    Meaning, you haven’t really heard what I said at all.

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  211. on January 7, 2011 at 8:03 am walawala

    @xsplat

    I hear what you’re saying.

    I just don’t take that view in this part of the world.

    I think that by giving these women allowances or taxi money or whatever phrase they use “a little something” or “support”—even though English is not their first language they sure have a ton of euphemisms—that it’s playing into THEIR frame.

    I banged a woman once who when she was leaving wanted “taxi money”. THen when I offered her the amount, she was talking about “plus the money for the taxi I took to meet you.”

    That was the first and last time.

    Then I discovered game.

    I know there are nuances in every market and with every type of girl. The whole “beta provider” game thing. I get that.

    But this whole thing about money and women…it just don’t sit right with me.

    You ask do you want your woman to work?

    YES!!

    Any relationship and attraction is based on the intangibles.

    Money is a tangible. Women say it doesn’t matter except when it does. It’s the deal-breaker with them. You have it….you’re always thinking about it and not her. You don’t have it….you can’t afford her…..

    It means it’s her frame and we’re just playing in it.

    I hear everything you say and my replies are not personal but rather on the whole idea of it.

    There was another super smoking hot Filipino woman who I knew in social circles.

    She was married but had another man.

    Married guy was quite well-off but being cuckholded, but he loved that hottie.

    The other guy, was younger and quite good looking.

    But one day, I heard from my mutual friend, that the “other guy” had a serious stroke or some type of ailment that left him unable to work and quite incapacitated.

    So guess what?

    Yup…hottie goes back to make up with hubbie.

    That’s enabling and not “Fooling Gold Diggers”.

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  212. on January 7, 2011 at 9:15 am Ari

    I’ve never lived in South East Asia like Exsplat but the bottom line is, obviously, how much one gets off with 8s, 9s and 10s.

    The bottom line is not your “pride”. Pride can be used as a tool to show aloofness in narrowly defined situations, but your pride is never your end goal. I’ve seen some young guys here act like no sex at all is better than sympathy sex. WTF?

    It’s also not who was playing whom.

    It’s about having your schedule filled so the only bottleneck is your own desire to get off.

    The bottom line is cold hard results and a full schedule.

    When SN2 wrote in the above “debate” that his personal situation is “irrelevant because I could be lying” that was a cop out. The whole post is about being honest online about lying to women in real life. Who would lie about lying?

    The Internet, and especially a forum like this, is the last place people lie about this sort of thing. The only thing “irrelevant” about his situation could be that SN2 might be young and good looking and living in a feminist country where the hottest young women have biological daddies giving them money, and he’s doing well in that environment TEMPORARILY (until he ages a few years) and because of the feminism.

    Even then, if he had a harem, he’d say he does. His opponent Xsplat describes his in a believable way.

    What SN2 needs to do is recognize that life changes according to how young and good looking a man is.

    The ironic thing is that it often changes for the better as the man gets older and uglier, if he’s learned how to be realistic about just how mercenary most young women are.

    Plus, if SN2 knew what it was like to have a scheduling problem where he had one or two main girlfriends and needed the others to come and go quickly so he doesn’t get caught, he’d describe the difficulty of doing this.

    If he could afford two luxury apartments in one city, he’d definitely have an opinion on whether or not this helps him have more than one girlfriend who don’t know about each other.

    Q.E.D. this guy couldn’t afford two apartments like Xsplat can (keeping in mind that SN2 could be earning more in London than Xsplat is earning in Asia but what matters is the ability of a man to have two luxury pads and the difference in earning power between a man and the women he wants to have sex with).

    Only a brain dead fool (or someone who couldn’t imagine what its like to have more than one girlfriend at the same time) would not see the advantages in having two residences or more.

    If you’re living in London or New York and your income is only twice what the young women around you earn or get from their parents, then money game won’t work. You might try lying about it like the Chateau rightly suggests is an option, but, unless you’re prepared to hand over the equivalent of a month’s rent for a woman’s flat in New York or London, you’re best off using other kinds of game.

    However, if your income is 20-50 times what the gorgeous young women around you make, you can get women 4 points higher on the looks scale than you are, which is what Xsplat is probably getting.

    The real bottom line here is that almost every male who emotionally hates those who sometimes use the concept of money to get laid, doesn’t have money himself (or the ability to lie about it) and is desperately searching this blog for alternative ways to get women (of which there are, of course).

    Or, as in the case of the Silicon Valley millionaire who posted above, he has the money and needs to learn the basics of game because, of course, without game on top of money, you aren’t going to be getting the better quality 9s and 10s even for an evening.

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  213. on January 7, 2011 at 9:24 am Nicole

    “The signed work of art ruse. ”

    Prints? Not going to fool anybody. Why not have someone actually paint you a real painting?

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  214. on January 7, 2011 at 9:31 am Ubermind

    @Xsplat

    “”And why would you prefer your woman earns her own money? Why would you want to have any other boss other than yourself? She needs an employer, to be sure. Why not you?

    Do you have no use for a woman’s labor?””

    This is spot on – why should women just serve you sexually – they can also wash your home and do laundry and do other tasks. It is acceptable to pay for that if it far exceeds the amount of work you do for her – like repairing car or showing her how to survive using MS exel for work purposes.
    Also a women with no other boss is much more flexable and it is not too nice if she has another male boss isn’t it?

    But still you must be sure that you earn more by paying another person for cleaning your home than you would by working less and instead cleaning yourself.

    Also in the first stages of relationship it is still better not to pay anything and let her fall in love in you on other grounds – later you can start sustaining her needs (better than paying salary – true) if it turns out to be a pleasant LTR and she really so devotes to you that she is willing to let go of financial idependance to be fully yours

    People forget that women working outside home is actually a recent and unnatural feminist concept and I believe every man should – if he can – revert back to the system where he alone is the sole lord of his wife/harem.

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  215. on January 7, 2011 at 9:34 am Evil Alpha

    @Viagra_Falls
    Money is progressively less of an issue the closer you are to possessing perfect game; in reality very few of us have perfect game, so yeah it matters for most guys.

    You aren’t getting it. Money is like gravity. It works without any effort from you. But game no matter how perfect still requires effort even though that total effort is less than sloppy game.

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  216. on January 7, 2011 at 9:37 am Ari

    Most readers are aware that the guys who get the hottest pussy totally for free on average are really young and living with mom and dad.

    That’s not really because of their game but because feminist societies heavily push young women to have sex with guys their own age.

    These young guys (and their parents and the film producers) are very hateful towards older males who might try to lure the young women away. In the films, the young twit always catches the older guy for having a harem and then tattle-tales to the younger woman (tattling on competitors is weak game but Hollywood recommends this because women want men to tattle one each other).

    So the guy who condescendingly said to a forty something XSplat “I once thought like you”, could still be living with mom and dad in his early 20s and getting loads of pussy who know he has other girlfriends and who have no problem coming over to his parent’s house to shag in the basement bedroom.

    Even then, I know from my own youth that the vast majority of young males who get sex with 10s handed to them because of their youth, are squandering lots of other opportunities because of lack of game.

    Such a young male would have zero clue about how he’s going to get women as young as he’s now getting when he’s 35+. If he hates older guys with money now, he might be too short sighted to realize that he’s going to need to be the older guy with money himself a little later on.

    Feminist cultures will put everything on a silver plate for very, very young males who have a modicum of game (to compete with other guys their own age and appearance).

    Don’t give them credit for having too much game beyond their youth and proximity to the hottest women.

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  217. on January 7, 2011 at 10:14 am Ari

    Now in effect: US Government control over PayPal taxing all payments as income and from the place you said you are residing in the US in order to get an account in the first place.

    This is tyranny. Its solid control over the Internet.

    US citizens (or foreigners who needed a US address or front person to use PayPal) with companies overseas now have to pay US federal income tax on stuff they’ve earned overseas (Americans have had to do this anyway but this tightens the screws as the government can now tell you how much you earned even if this isn’t true and you had to pay foreign employees and overhead, etc).

    This doesn’t effect me but I know of several American businesses forced to shut down now thanks to Obama and this tax them to death by closing the “loopholes” attitude.

    This PayPal Coup isn’t talked about much but its a serious example of the creeping control over the Internet wanted by the CFR elites (or whatever you want to call the world government people).

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  218. on January 7, 2011 at 10:47 am Evil Alpha

    Good Luck Chuck,

    No need for clarification. I can tell you are a sharp guy with skills.

    I wrote as I did because I feared that your comments about game and flakes and bad odds were scaring off those who don’t yet have money or experience.

    For instance… There a plenty of social situations where US women outnumber men as opposed to what you stated. As a matter of fact, when I was younger I purposely moved to a Northern Suburb of the city I’m from because there were 7 beavers for every 3 ball sacks.

    And unlike my peers rather than move in with a couple of other dudes, I lived with a puppy in an off campus ie. mostly female apartment complex where the summer pool scene looked like a music video. For most 20 something guys resisting the urge to “bro” up is a simple way to stack the deck in his favor. And stacking the deck is what it’s all about. I was literally tripping over pussy.

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  219. on January 7, 2011 at 11:02 am Firepower

    xsplat

    Firepower

    Raising awareness is the first weapon used against the bad behavior of the influential; in today’s childish society, rap stars go beyond influential and undeservedly enter the realm of the powerful.

    I’ve never heard of that guy. In this case raising awareness is free publicity.

    Exactly what he was looking for.

    You got tooled.

    That “guy” hardly needs extraneous publicity from us at CR.
    He’s Jay Z
    You must live in a panel van.
    Even Barbara Bush has heard of him.

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  220. on January 7, 2011 at 11:36 am xsplat

    JayZ? How on earth would I hear of a Rapper, having lived in SE asia for the last 11 years? I’m gonna tune him in on the radio?

    And even if I did, why on earth would I care? Honestly, you celebrity hounds perplex me.

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  221. on January 7, 2011 at 12:10 pm Firepower

    Dude, come out of your khlongg once in a while. Lighten up: knowledge in not approval – nor is it hounding.

    I think some inscrutable Asian-type Zen master philosopher once said something like that or whatever.

    I never knew exaggeration was the new Eastern Dao.

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  222. on January 7, 2011 at 12:10 pm Silver Fox

    Mail Order Beauty

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_03/b4211069050983.htm

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  223. on January 7, 2011 at 12:13 pm what

    @Firepower
    “That “guy” hardly needs extraneous publicity from us at CR.
    He’s Jay Z
    You must live in a panel van.
    Even Barbara Bush has heard of him.”

    PANEL VAN !!!!!!!! Barbara Bush!!! LOL!!!!! you never fail to make me laugh!!! hahahhah!!

    I’m alllll happi now!! lalala!!

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  224. on January 7, 2011 at 12:43 pm xsplat

    He he – What is a Firepower fan.

    God, I’d be embarassed to that quality of an admirer.

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  225. on January 7, 2011 at 12:53 pm Firepower

    Don’t be so pissed
    that I fuck more Asian girls
    in America than you do in Thailand.

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  226. on January 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm xsplat

    Firepower, I can’t remember a single thing you’ve said on this forum in all these years.

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  227. on January 7, 2011 at 2:05 pm Firepower

    Guess you’ll have to learn Engrish.

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  228. on January 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm Doug1

    Jerry

    You’re not going to believe this: The National Organization of Women (NOW) is now picketing outside the new Tea Party US Congress for a federal Constitutional Amendment recognizing “women’s rights” for once and for all. Read their website announcement.

    Do you have a link for this? I couldn’t find it searching Google News. I’d like to see what amendment they want, though they’ll probably not specify.

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  229. on January 7, 2011 at 5:48 pm what

    Xsplat,
    hehe, you’re just jealous!

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  230. on January 7, 2011 at 7:34 pm Gregory Magarshak

    what do you do when you say “hey baby, can you pay for X” and she gives you an “are you kidding” look? And you persist and she says “umm NO”

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  231. on January 7, 2011 at 9:20 pm walawala

    @Gregory…

    I think the question: “Can you pay….?”

    Should be: “hey baby, let’s split this, you’re buying XXX i’ll get XX”

    This set up, if you read it again is asking her rather than telling her or engaging her.

    I now use “Let’s xxxx”

    Let’s meet up….

    Let’s have dinner

    Let’s whatever….

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  232. on January 8, 2011 at 3:13 am walawala

    @Gregory Magarshak

    “”what do you do when you say “hey baby, can you pay for X” and she gives you an “are you kidding” look? And you persist and she says “umm NO”

    This is an interesting question.

    If you break the dynamic down:

    “Hey baby can you pay for X”—you’re asking her to do something. It’s passive and beta.

    It’s not suprising she’ll give you a shit-test look.

    “And you persist….”—- This is something that I used to do and now try to avoid.

    They dynamic plays into HER frame rather than establishing your own authority and dominance or decisiveness over the situation.

    How about trying this:

    “Let’s do something radically new….”

    Her: “What?”

    You: Do you believe in equality of sexes?

    Her: Sure, I guess….

    You: Good, this one’s on you…..

    Her: You serious?

    You: Hurry up and get the cheque and let’s go….the afternoon’s wasting/night’s young….

    Her: You’re the man

    You: I know…

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  233. on January 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm Firepower

    Gregory Magarshak

    what do you do when you say “hey baby, can you pay for X” and she gives you an “are you kidding” look? And you persist and she says “umm NO”

    I use Persh Game: focus my deep-set brown eyes of Bambi to give woman smoldering gaze. Then I run Game of Roosh, lifting my shirt to slay her with 6-pack Game. Then I decorate.

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  234. on January 8, 2011 at 2:23 pm Obstinance Works

    Ambition? Hah. It’s so easy to fake/lie about.

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  235. on January 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm Timothy

    This whole back and forth has been interesting. Yes, the basis of this discussion is predicated on pretending you have money to sucker golddiggers. While it’s possible to pretend you have money when you don’t, it’s pretty hard to have money and pretend you don’t. A certain kind of game is required to pull off the former, no doubt. But I would go on to say that when you DON’T have money, you wouldn’t mind having a little, and you’re maybe even working towards having money, and using game in the meantime until you get to a point when you don’t have to game so hard. You’ll always have the foundation in game, but at some point that money will work FOR you, instead of you having to use IT to work for women. That’s where xsplat is coming from. Some rich guys have the trappings of it all around – they go for the mansion and Bentleys, and wear a status symbol timepiece that SCREAMS success. Others live somewhat below their means, comfortably. But you won’t see a rich guy live in a hovel, just to create the impression that he is poor, just to prove his game is strong and he can still get girls back there to fuck in a roach-infested studio apartment. I guess the trick is that when you have money, and chicks KNOW you have it, is to keep them on the hook even when it becomes apparent that you aren’t simply a walking ATM that they can take advantage of. To keep a woman coming back with minimal cash outlay. To keep her coming back when you are having her EARN the minimum, while rarely gifting her anything. That’s a different kind of game, but game you may need at a different point in your life.

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  236. on January 8, 2011 at 4:49 pm xsplat

    Walawala, I don’t understand what the advantage to you is to split the bill for dinner or drinks. You are in Asia – such an expense should be a triviality to you, is it not?

    That’s a main reason I am here, because what is a non-negligable expense to the locals is negligable for me. This is an advantage to ME.

    Do you have some moral hangup about fairness? Or would it hurt you financially to pay for drinks for your established date?

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  237. on January 8, 2011 at 8:11 pm alias clio

    I don’t think men need to learn how to decorate, as such. That can make them look, er, gay. Or “faggy”, as they used to say in my youth. Not that there’s anything wrong with that… As a matter of fact, it could be helpful in pursuing some women. But if you’re looking for someone more conventionally minded, you’d do better to impress her by having 1 or 2 expensive things in your apartment that are recognisably rare but that few men would bother with. A really gorgeous reproduction of a mid-century modern sofa; a few first editions (of books) prominently displayed – if you like literary girls; an antique something or other (a desk or captain’s chest is best if you want to look masculine); or perhaps an exotically beautiful Thai silk bedspread. A few things like that, toss around a bit negligently but still displaying their beauty, can go further than a “well-decorated” house. They will show you as a man of taste and discrimination, which is what the whole exercise is about, after all. But NEVER talk about them. Just leave them there in their glory.

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  238. on January 8, 2011 at 10:16 pm xsplat

    Walawala, I don’t pay even one night stands for sex. I have a reaction inside me against it, but also a reason. For me sex includes intimacy, even with whores, and if she’s being paid, she’s less likely to feel she is pursuing me, and offer up those juicier more tender emotions.

    However if the reason you wouldn’t want to pay for a meal is out of fairness and equality, you may find such attitudes will bite you on the ass in the end. Fairness and equality are female/socialist concepts. Concepts the dictator of the house has no use for.

    It’s better to harness inequality, than to seek it. To harness it effectively is simply good business. The wife gives you value at least as much as you give her.

    Consider trading labor. If the wife is giving you 10 hours for every one hour you are giving her, it’s in your favor, isn’t it? In Asia even a casual fuck buddy is going to be scrubbing out your fridge if she’s into you. I like to capitolize in the natural inequality of attitudes and put the girl to work. I give her tasks. Tasks that I don’t recompense at the market rate. And even when I’m not doing that, a student girl with no income can use $5 for a “taxi”.

    Are you being paid local wages that you can’t even afford $5 for the girl as a little token of appreciation?

    Or I suppose in Hong Kong prices are quite higher than in Indonesia. Here I can rent a taxi for half the day for $10.00, having it wait around while I shop and eat, and a 20 minute trip is somewhere around 2 bucks. Here girls can earn just 1 or 200 bucks a month, so 5 bucks can actually mean something to a student.

    I’ve refused a bar whore twenty, on principle. She had asked for money after the fact. Told her I don’t pay prostitutes. In the end I gave her $5 just to shut her up, and she was happy with the token and hopped back to the bar.

    Women want to feel appreciated. They demand either commitment or money, in exchange for sex, and if they don’t get it, their sisterhood clan will gossip badly at the girl. Ruins the marketplace for pussy for girls giving it away for free. I know, it’s not “fair” that sex is given freely by guys but but girls see sex as a commodity. You can make a token offering in concession, just to allow her little hampster a rest, and let her think she’s in a sustainable workable situation in which she is valued. That she isn’t being “used”, in girl speak.

    A man has positioned himself effectively if his cash is far superior to that of his woman. He has positioned himself effectively if his social status is far above that of the average local. Game is not just what you say, but where you say and who you say it to. The same principle is for money – it gives a context to everything, and puts you in an advantageous place at an advantageous time. A little $5.00 tip to your girlfriend, who will have her life improved by it.

    How on earth could you be against it?

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  239. on January 8, 2011 at 10:52 pm walawala

    @xsplat

    “How on earth can you be against it?”

    Good question. I’ll give my point of view on this. I’m not judging nor am I suggesting what you’re saying is wrong, I simply see it very differently. I see it as setting up an uneven dynamic that is based on value rather than attraction. I wouldn’t not have thought that before understanding game.

    Each country is different and the “rules” or expectations are diffferent. In HK, Japan, Korea, the paying for stuff isn’t such an expectation and is actually quite beta.

    But in these other South Asian countries I know it’s an expectation.

    Why I’m against it is that it sets up an “expectation” which I now after understanding game find put the guy in the passenger seat.

    You can either buck up insert coin and penis and continue or not.

    But the minute that a guy starts paying for taxi money etc, he sets a dangerous precedent for other guys to have to do the same.

    In LA and some other bigger markets, it sounds quite similar. You either show off with the big car and the fancy suits and club or you don’t land the HB10’s.

    In my case with the “taxi money” girl, it became in that situation a dynamic where I felt like asking for receipts.

    I don’t like that.

    But…it’s very different from the situation I find myself in where in some cases I pay for dinner, drinks and then girl does. That is ok.

    But what if I lose my job? Become incapacitated like that guy who was banging the hot Filipina?

    I don’t want to be in a situation where the well runs dry and sucker walawala is the one with the empty bucket.

    That’s my view on this.

    However, I do get the gist of what you’re saying. I do understand there is a wider cultural dynamic at play.

    I would much prefer to be with women who have their own jobs and money so that is never an “issue” between us in any way.

    From that perspective, I have banged Filipina maids who never asked for anything. They were just happy to hang out on their day off. No all women are have the expectation of quid pro quo. We chose to continue in that way it’s a choice not a necessity.

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  240. on January 8, 2011 at 11:10 pm xsplat

    And what if it’s not an expectation? What if she is putting in an hour or more of work per day or date to you in housekeeping chores, and asks for nothing?

    Still no money?

    I understand that it’s the principle of the thing, but I don’t understand what principle.

    Hookers will often keep a man in the house, so just because you initially pay some tokens of appreciation doesn’t mean that the girl CAN’T fall for you.

    I reader reminded me of a post I made on this subject long ago, http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/being-a-loser-is-better/ , where my point was that as long as money was not the number one motivation for the girl, it’s fine that it’s part of her motivation. Because it’s human nature.

    I understand that you don’t want money to be the number 1 motivation, and that you want to steer as far clear of that dynamic as possible. But I can’t help but think that you are coming at the whole issue from a male perspective, meaning that you are a bit naive to female nature.

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  241. on January 8, 2011 at 11:19 pm xsplat

    Even with perfect game, eventually the girl will demand either commitment or severance pay. And the whole while most girls will expect the man to foot for entertainment expenses. If she is not expecting at least that, she is investing her own money into the possibility of a committed relationship, which in her mind puts your balls in her purse.

    Pussy is built as a commodity. You may as well accept it. Not even game changes that. It comes and goes for free, sure, but not for long. My strategy is go with that flow and use it to advantage, and play that commodity market for personal and financial gain.

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  242. on January 8, 2011 at 11:56 pm xsplat

    I spent one year with a 21 year old super hottie – a girl who regularly won the sexiest dancer weekly contest at the main disco in Cebu city, judging by audience reaction. All of her friends and aquaintances and random people on the street would counsel her to dump me, as I was neither rich nor handsome.

    It was me who left her after the year, and she pined tearfully for many months.

    Money wasn’t her prime reason to be with me. But I was still the provider. She was the caretaker.

    Don’t you want a caretaker?

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  243. on January 9, 2011 at 12:05 am xsplat

    Rats would literally bite us on the toes when we slept in one place we lived.

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  244. on January 9, 2011 at 12:29 am xsplat

    Whenever my Cebu miniature hottie would meet and chat with a western female, the westernfem would query what my girls occupation plans were. My girl would make up bullshit lies about educational goals. The fact was she was a geisha, a housewife, and this was her heartfelt aim in life. She was so good at it that for the first time in my life my own western indoctrination was overcome.

    Women can have as a respectable and personally satisfying job the sole task of taking care of their man.

    And I can’t fathom why a man would not want such an arrangement.

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  245. on January 9, 2011 at 4:25 am Hooligan Harry

    Instead of taking all the effort to create the impression of wealth maybe you could actually get off your arse and make a few bucks? Not every wealthy person is a cubicle jockey that slaves his life away. They build or create something and they profit from that. You dont become rich working a job.

    If that is not going to happen, look to become strong in other areas, but dont fall into the trap of thinking that what you dont have to offer means little at the end of the day. You are only deluding yourself in your middle class poverty. You dont understand it until you have experienced it.

    Game is going to get you laid but it requires WORK. Money gets you laid and it requires WORK. The difference is that money gets you laid while it comes with all the benefits of a lifestyle and opportunity. Both come with a time investment and one benefits you in other ways other than just satisfying your dick. Which one do you think that is?

    Those who think that its only gold digging trash who are attracted to money are so naive its not funny. Its normally the guys without money or the beta fags who think money should not matter to a “quality girl”. They are no better than fat chicks who believe a quality man will love them for their strong personalities. Its the same retarded mindset.

    Middle class, average looking, not fat but a game guru? You are a 6.5/7 who fucks like an absolute demon. You know that average looking girl you kept around because she could suck a golf ball through a hosepipe and even though you knew it was not long term you fucked her rotten for a month or two? The one who was fun to be around but not quite hot enough to keep you interested long term? Thats what you are and its why the 9’s and 10’s move on so quickly. You get the scraps, you dont get the main course.

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  246. on January 9, 2011 at 6:41 am Linkage is Good for You: It Will Never End Edition

    […] – “Fooling Golddiggers“, “Is Your Girlfriend Ovulating? Watch […]

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  247. on January 9, 2011 at 11:57 am Silver Fox

    OK, I have not read all 240 comments.

    However, anytime you mention banging 6 models on a PUA blog, the ugly head of jealousy arises.

    So…….my response, Dont knock it till you try it.

    I am fully willing to reveal my secrets; if you dont bang 1 of 10 women you date, come back and call me out.

    Secret:

    Go to any online dating site.
    ———————————-

    Sort height: 5’4”-5″10″

    Body: Slender

    Sort the age:

    18-25, usually 50 pages come up

    Sort activity date to most recent:

    you will see around 50% mark, page #25, they will be “last active 1 month ago”: ie, these are dead from page >51%, 26-50 (this number gets worse for younger gals, blondes, slender)

    Cut/paste: Simple message: Hi Cool pics; lets grab a drink this Wed”

    Do this for all hot profiles from page 1-25; set a standard and dont go below it as you will receive lots of hate mail, and i refuse to get this from avg chicks.

    DO this once a week; as it will sweep up gals who dont respond to winks, flirts, pokes. It washes out dead/spam profiles; and it drills down on “fuzzy logic” of dating sites that serve up zombie profiles, or hide hot babes in large populations. You will also appear on top of activity pages of all womens pages, your zip, or the day.

    Do this for ages 26-29 and 30-33; unfortunately the # will go up form 200-400 pages; so you will be cut/pasting for 45m-1.5hr. 1/wk (your usual porn time)

    Increasing Odds; building confidence:

    you can play with avg or athletic body types to build up your #s/hit rate, but they will be worse in person (eg, about 20% worse than their worst pic).

    Budget:

    $40/mo

    $35 date; 1 drink/ea max. within walking distance of your pad. 20% wont show up; dont whine, build this in your #s.

    Dropping $1000+

    If you date 50 women (easily can happen with 4/dates mo over 1yr) you will spend $1000+ easy. Dont whine; beats your last vaca, wacking.

    Freebie: Winks

    Use an iPhone (set for online now), to double tap winks with one hand while in lines, flights, meetings. I have hit the 50/day wink limit on some sites. This is your wasted time, so double tapping is about as low effort/byte, but it will bring in pussy 1/500. So every 10 days, you’ll get a BJ or HJ for being in line.

    Why am I giving this away…..Network effects

    The more guys score online; the more women will hear about it (“he took you on vacation?”); and the more will join…..the more Women I will date.

    Remember 1/10 rule:

    1000 emails
    100 dates
    10 bangs

    If you r lazy and only do 500 or 200 or 100 emails, you will be ground up in negative feedback loop. Its a #’s game. [“large #s have a quality all their own” J. Stalin]

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  248. on January 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm Timothy

    I agree that the online game is definitely about numbers, because the flake factor is as high or higher than offline. The dating/marriage sites are the most difficult because women that are there are on a particular mission, and are highly selective. If you don’t meet their narrow criteria, you get no response. I’ve found sites like Tagged are better for just hitting up random women in numbers for interaction, particularly if you’re looking internationally, as opposed to narrowing yourself to local for dating purposes.

    I don’t have a lot of experience with the straight dating/marriage sites, and I tried a straight hookup/fucking site for a while, but I found it was a bit of a scam (all of the responses I got to messages always seemed to come on the same day, so I knew it was someone that worked for the site that was pretending to be different women). Tagged is a free site, with some extra features you can access if you pay monthly. I’ve done fine there without paying. Over the couple of years I’ve been on the site, I’ve made some solid friends, and have traveled to meet 4 women, 3 of them I’ve banged. The other was never going ot be a bang, but will be a lifetime friend that has introduced me to other women to bang. I have standing invites from at least 4 other women to come and visit. I’ve talked on the phone with others, and done video calls via webcam. I’m always cultivating other potential bangs. The site is whatever you want to make it – friends, dating, fucking, serious relationships or others are just on the site to play online games.

    Since I like to travel, I try to hit up women in the cities around the world that I hope to visit. I try to cultivate friendships, raise the comfort level, and when I visit try to close the deal. It also helps tourist activities when you have a local to hang with you. If you raise comfort enough to get the invite to stay with them, it’s a bonus. If not, they can come to your hotel (I did this in London). Last year I hit London twice, Rome, and started the year in Merida, Mexico touring Mayan ruins and staying with and fucking a woman that invited me to stay with her. So far, I have Paris lined up for this year, and would like to hit up a couple of friends in Brazil early in the year. Towards the end of the year I have a Peruvian honey that wants me to come down.

    The differences in American and foreign woman has played itself out on Tagged, at least for me. When I first got on the site, I contacted American women in volume. I got few responses, and those that did respond and add me as a friend didn’t communicate much. So I started expanding to foreign women and got far more interest. I ended up deleting most of the American women and getting more Central and South American women, with a couple of Europeans mixed in. Of the 47 friends I have on my list now, 33 are outside the US. I have regular contact with some 20 other women that aren’t on my friends list but respond to messages, winks, tags, etc. The majority of the women I correspond with I initiated – very few women will initiate contact with men. The women that do initiate are mostly American, but fat, ugly or much older. I’m in my 40s, so I look for women in their late 30s to mid 40s (if she’s still looking good, with good, recent pics, I’ll go up to 50). It’s a different ballgame when dealing with younger women, and I get a lot of requests from 20-something Filipinas, which I ignore. The younger American women that contact me are amateur porn/cam sluts or scam artists. I’m working on my Spanish skills, and will try to visit more women that only speak Spanish. While American women are acting difficult, I’ll be doing my thing elsewhere.

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  249. on January 10, 2011 at 4:10 am Jerry

    @Doug1

    It’s the ERA now known as the “Women’s Equality Amendment”.

    The problem is that the 7 year expiration date for ratification arrived in 1979, meaning 38 states need to vote yes on this all over again in order for it to be ratified, but the fembots are dishonestly pretending that they only need 3 more states to come onboard the way the situation was at the beginning of 1979 when they were so close but reaching the expiry date of the ratification process.

    Plus they are ignoring the fact that 5 states reversed their yes position to be against it after Congress unconstitutionally gave the ratification term an “extension” of an additional 3 years. Back then people actually got publicly pissed off when feminists and White Knighter cowards in Congress flagrantly violated the law/Constitution.

    Reading the history, it appears that Republican politicians were cowards even back then, voting for it in Congress for not other reason than they were scared to be seen as “against equal rights” (meaning they could be manipulated by the name of a piece of legislation) even as 15 state governors said no.

    However, after now reading the history of the Republican rhetoric against the ERA, it seems that the Republican women who were against ERA were against it because they felt it would destroy the idea that males are solely responsible for child support (they claimed their main issue was abortion). These women also didn’t want to have to have their daughters serve in combat (a non-issue for me). Too much is written about how the ERA would have enshrined same-sex marriage (another non-issue for me).

    The Republican women also said the ERA would destroy the concept of alimony, which is why they didn’t want it to pass.

    So maybe I’m for the ERA now.

    You’re a lawyer. What’s your take on that?

    If it’s resubmitted with wording that would help federal judges end enshrined misandry (gender discrimination against men), I’d be OK with it.

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  250. on January 10, 2011 at 8:41 am Timothy

    Thanks for laying that out Jerry. As you can see, women want SELECTIVE equality – all benefits, no hardships and responsibilities. Women’s organizations bemoan the approval of no-fault divorce for the same reason – it signifies the end of the gravy train. Men can’t continually take the blame for the end of marriages, and women can’t get paid like they did before. Since in 75% percent or so of cases, it’s women that file, no-fault strangles the golden goose. They’ll complain that it hurts children, but what they’re most concerned about is it taking away “mommy support.”

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  251. on January 10, 2011 at 10:16 am Evil Alpha

    Middle class, average looking, not fat but a game guru? You are a 6.5/7 who fucks like an absolute demon. You know that average looking girl you kept around because she could suck a golf ball through a hosepipe and even though you knew it was not long term you fucked her rotten for a month or two? The one who was fun to be around but not quite hot enough to keep you interested long term? Thats what you are and its why the 9′s and 10′s move on so quickly. You get the scraps, you dont get the main course.

    Except there are soo many rich guy whose 9/10 “main course” is giving her “scraps” to alphas who don’t have money.

    If there is anything worse than the money is nothing crowd, it’s the money is everything crowd.

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  252. on January 11, 2011 at 1:00 am Hooligan Harry

    Where did I say money was everything? Its one component to a well rounded man. The difference is that the “game is everything” crowd often lives in a state of denial and delusion to protect their own egos.

    Not a good looking guy? All you need is game
    Poor as dirt? All you need is game
    No criminal record? All you need is game
    Prefer video games to being a biker? All you need is game
    Fat slob? You need mad ass game

    Wealth is attractive to women and the men who are wealthy dont have to hunt for pussy all the time. It comes to them and it often comes with fewer shit tests. They compromise more.

    Amazing to think that game theorists believe money does not count and here we have an instruction manual telling you how to fake it.

    It sums up game. Game is nothing more than creating the perception of status. It is not status it is a monkey mimicking status. It mimicks what should be natural behaviours of men with status.

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  253. on January 11, 2011 at 4:21 am Jerry

    @Hooligan

    You are correct that this post tore the mask off the Asperger’s influenced game is everything theory. I only disagree with the host about gold-diggers being a minority. Some day soon scientists will find that half of all sweet and traditional acting fiances and wives will cheat on their men for a month’s rent (not necessarily by going “all the way” and more for the woman to get a thrill than because she really needs the money).

    The Silicon Valley millionaire above doesn’t understand yet that he could create a situation where women come to him. He seems to think that his money means nothing in attracting women. That’s only because he still needs game, a plan and brazenness to make it work for him.

    I know the Bay Area and, at first, its true that women don’t hang out in the obvious places where they might meet a Silicon Valley millionaire. It is insane that they don’t do this but Marxism coats the Bay Area like a winter frost. You have to melt that frost or drill a hole in the ice and fish from that hole.

    Pre-selection is key here and, no, not the kind that comes from your name being in the business journals:

    Women generally won’t come to a man without female intermediaries, whom they consider friends, goading them on.

    One needs one’s own Marquise de Merteuil.

    The Silicon Valley guy above clearly doesn’t have a female personal assistant like that.

    A man can literally sit in his office working while a gorgeous female assistant is off in the bars meeting women for him. She makes friends with them first. Starts talking about men. Then starts describing a big shot she knows.

    Then she can call at Midnight and say “I’ve just made two great friends who’d like to meet you if you’re finished with work around now”. These women would not necessarily be gold-diggers. All women would be curious about meeting the big shot friend of a new female friend, especially one who’s clearly been working at his office while other men have been trying to pick them up in the bar.

    This is the ultimate aloof game. You’re not just the guy with his back turned to them, you’re not even at the bar.

    You arrive but don’t spend money at the bar. They’ve been told your refrigerator is fully stocked with the best food and wine (it’s a mistake for many reasons for a man to keep an empty fridge). You all go back to your place.

    At this point they have not (yet) compromised themselves or cheated on their boyfriends or whatever. They were just fascinated by the idea of enjoying great food and drink at an above average apartment with a pre-selected guy.

    No real buying or selling has gone on. Nothing I just described relates to “paying for sexual activity” also known as “paying to skip the romance part and get things over with before the regular girlfriend comes over”. But for those guys who might then make an indecent proposal, it would be in the right place.

    All the above only serves to get the best looking women in your home for you to then practice whatever sort of game you want, on your home turf.

    And, yes, it can be faked up to this point (no real money in the bank) as long as the apartment is cool and some decent food and wine is where you said it was.

    Like the Chateau says, the apartment doesn’t have to be expensive, it just has to be cool. Like one of the women above says, its OK if the furnishings are sparse as long as they are cool.

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  254. on January 11, 2011 at 4:47 am lila f.

    jerry~~

    omg that is so true!!! i once met this guy after meeting his female friend and i was a lot mroe attracted to him because she was building him up and he wasn’t even there and i was like where is this guy who is supposedly so great??? and then when i met him i had already made up my mind that iw as definitely going to be attracted to him because he sounded so cool and like he didn’t even care because he wasn’t even around. anyway when we met (finally!!!) he was really quick and aloof about everything. at the end of the night he told me he could make it worth my while to stay but also he seemed like he didn’t care if i said yes or no either way so i ended up not staying but i was not offended at all that he had offered!!! i didn’t see him again but i wanted to but his friend said he had moved on and wasn’t interested anymore…definately the one that got away u know!!

    ~~lila f.

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  255. on January 11, 2011 at 5:40 am xsplat

    Jerry, how do you go about hiring such a personal assistant?

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  256. on January 11, 2011 at 6:56 am Jerry

    @Xsplat

    I’ve found most outgoing, attractive women will do this for free for a guy they like whose apartment is nearby and passes muster. I see two reasons why:

    1) Most human beings get a kick out of helping seduction happen, provided they get to observe the entire proceedings. They want to be the Marquise to the Vicomte to Valmont. It goes the other way as well. A man would gladly help an attractive woman meet another guy, etc, if he’s told in advance that he will get to watch.

    2) It really helps a woman make friends with other women if she knows cool males, even if she knows herself that a particular guy’s financial status is mostly an act. You basically make yourself a conversation piece for her and, as long as you don’t blow it for her by not playing your part, she gets a bunch of girlfriends.

    That said, if she’s young and beautiful but doesn’t have a great day job, she will probably not be able to afford to go out to clubs more than once per week. You can subsidize her to go out more often in your own interest, especially if you make a game of it and offer reward points for achieving specific results. I’d recommend to guys to keep it fun and concentrate on her getting the above two intangible (non-monetary) rewards.

    @Lila

    Sounds like the guy blew it at the crucial moment where he should have played vulnerability game, making it seem, at least until you said yes, like it would mean the world to him if you spent the night. His loss. He was no Vicomte de Valmont.

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  257. on January 11, 2011 at 8:35 am Jerry

    A year ago on this forum, what I just described would have been seen by PUA purist regulars as lazy. One guy got his head bitten off for saying that one might want to pay bartenders a commission for sending a text whenever a guy’s “type” was sitting at the bar. Many here weren’t thinking of results so much as the process = seeing who could succeed under the most adverse conditions (no help, no bribes to bartenders, no telling lies, no money, loud music so you couldn’t talk to a woman, etc).

    The guy showing the videos of cold openings on the streets of London would depict himself in old clothes explaining to HB7s the truth that he had no job of any status. He implied once or twice that he would be cheating if he lied, dressed well, explained a status advantage or had someone else on the street qualifying the women for him while he worked in an office.

    Even the Chateau was hesitant to say a year ago that a man might want to blatantly lie to get laid. He wrote a post last February saying it was “OK to fib and do some storytelling” in order to be an IMM (international man of mystery). But he avoided the idea of direct lying at the time.

    And that was OK as a sort of First Year Course in PUA for guys who needed to know the basics. Practicing pure game without wingwomen or bartender helpers or props or lies or cash is a great thing, especially if you’ve got 7s and 8s before you to practice with and don’t mind things not working out with them.

    You have to be an interesting, compelling person to the women before you. No amount of money or friends can help you with that. Only practice will do that.

    But if you already are interesting and no basic cold pickup game but you’re dealing with the real world issue of getting the hottest of all women in bed, you will often need to use material from a “Second Year PUA Course” that incorporates advanced measures that can overlay the basic game procedures.

    That is when you leverage the efforts of others and the efforts of your having worked to earn resources.

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  258. on January 11, 2011 at 8:54 am Estudiantes de Buenos Aires

    Jerry

    you will often need to use material from a “Second Year PUA Course” that incorporates advanced measures that can overlay the basic game procedures.

    You mean like this amazing advice, which you posted under a different name at the time?

    Um, yeah.

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  259. on January 11, 2011 at 11:40 am Jerry

    @Estudiantes de Buenos Aires

    Great example dipshit.

    Notice the way lying about anything, especially one’s age was considered bad form = “beta” on this forum in the past.

    Having others do the work of qualifying/identifying: also bad form =”beta”.

    Results were not a factor.

    PUA forums in the past were a bunch of feminist-friendly young males who really didn’t have much to say nor field reports to make.

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  260. on January 11, 2011 at 11:46 am Timothy

    I guess if your goal is to get dates and laid, there’s no shame in whatever game you employ to achieve your goal. Many of you in the game, while stating you should never hesitate to roll dolo, also employ wingmen to help achieve your goal. Even the best sometimes need luck and/or solid support around you. Micheal Jordan was droppin’ 60 point games in the playoffs…and LOSING. Until he had solid support around him he wasn’t closing.

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  261. on January 12, 2011 at 12:23 pm slothrop

    haven’t read the rest of the comments, but something tells me this post had less to do with sharing tactics than making a moral statement. these tactics are admittedly shameful, but those who are duped by them deserve to be deceived. this post just begs feminists to search for an argument against these tactics that isn’t morally bankrupt, and it is really hard to do.

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  262. on January 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm Firepower

    Jerry

    PUA forums in the past were a bunch of feminist-friendly young males who really didn’t have much to say nor field reports to make.

    A worthy point.

    Just don’t pull your punches: These feminist-friendly young males were in fact PRO feminist and anti-male. The worst type of white knight – the inexperienced page who thinks he knows it all. The squeaky-voiced kid who wants to topple The Gunfighter.

    Combine that with slick hucksters who herded them like sheep to be shorn via “$2,999.99 sems! hoo-hah!” in NYC and you have forums that make you want a bath after reading them.

    Better to read PUA from a man, than illiterate theory from a boy midget. Why, it’s the reason I wound up here. That, and roissy’s chiseled good-looks.

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  263. on January 12, 2011 at 5:34 pm doug

    Unfortunately good looks are the new Money for women. All the women I know are giving it up for the hot guys since the women have jobs and are making a decent living. They want the hot guy or hot porn guy experience. Lets face it, most guys especially over 30 are not hot or even good looking. Time for some plastic surgery, lol.

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  264. on January 12, 2011 at 6:30 pm Timothy

    @ Doug…Most guys over 30 aren’t good looking? REALLY? That’s an interesting observation. I’m interested in how you arrive at that. Where do you live? How are you judging hot and/or good looking? Looks are always part of the package for women, but they’ll put looks aside for a man with some kind of power/influence, or if he has money to burn, which powerful or influential men usually do.

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  265. on January 13, 2011 at 12:18 pm Obstinance Works

    Money must help, but I lose respect for it the longer I live–so many reasons for that. That being said, I’m finding an affinity toward financially successful alphas with debonair game as much as the roughneck alphas who live game anyway just because. Why? Other than the physical and intellectual challenges that making money provoke, which I value more as I age; probably because I’m growing older and I understand that I need to support myself better. I get plenty of gifts from women, and I still posses attractive physical features and have always had style, balls, and now with the emergence of game in my life, suave. But I know looks will not last forever, and my game will have to adjust accordingly.

    Ari hit a nerve.

    Pride can be used as a tool to show aloofness in narrowly defined situations, but your pride is never your end goal. I’ve seen some young guys here act like no sex at all is better than sympathy sex. WTF?

    Well said, even though I disagree, because, with me, pride is everything; probably because I know that I can just tell the chick to fuck off, because I know I’ll have another chick soon enough. I did go through a time in my life where I was with strange pussy often, but I was still held over from my high school girlfriend for a long time. I don’t think this was from the fear of not having another woman, more than the pride I had in being able to keep this chick in particular, who was the baddest and best chick, in my opinion. So my ideal situation would have been to have this chick and continue to bang strange, which is what I was doing.

    That being said, I can understand how terrible it would be to have no power over pussy at all. I know this feeling, because as I entered my mid-20’s young pussy (18-22) was not as easy to score. That is when I went on a quest to find what it was that gave these older men the power over pussy that I didn’t have. Of course I first assumed it was money, as most older men tend to have money in America. I determined to study the habits of these men and read some books written by pimps and PUAs like Mystery, Gunwitch, and DeAngelo, hung around these type of men, and did a search on the internet and found out about game. Not that I didn’t know about something called game, but I always heard black dudes and wiggers talk about that shit. I soon learned that game can be broken down into a science, and was soon scoring those younger girls again, which is why I dig xsplat’s relationship gamesmanship. He even knows how to milk the money angle, which is not really the same way most rich guys used their money in dating. Xsplat has a better grasp of how these things work than most American men (because of social feminization) I know, but there are only a scattered few who can work that angle with precision.

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  266. on January 13, 2011 at 12:21 pm Obstinance Works

    Ari swings for the fences.
    The only thing “irrelevant” about his situation could be that SN2 might be young and good looking and living in a feminist country where the hottest young women have biological daddies giving them money, and he’s doing well in that environment TEMPORARILY (until he ages a few years) and because of the feminism….[Something about having money to game women, which is probably true.]….Most readers are aware that the guys who get the hottest pussy totally for free on average are really young and living with mom and dad.

    That’s not really because of their game but because feminist societies heavily push young women to have sex with guys their own age.

    These young guys (and their parents and the film producers) are very hateful towards older males who might try to lure the young women away. In the films, the young twit always catches the older guy for having a harem and then tattle-tales to the younger woman (tattling on competitors is weak game but Hollywood recommends this because women want men to tattle one each other).

    So the guy who condescendingly said to a forty something XSplat “I once thought like you”, could still be living with mom and dad in his early 20s and getting loads of pussy who know he has other girlfriends and who have no problem coming over to his parent’s house to shag in the basement bedroom.

    Even then, I know from my own youth that the vast majority of young males who get sex with 10s handed to them because of their youth, are squandering lots of other opportunities because of lack of game.

    Such a young male would have zero clue about how he’s going to get women as young as he’s now getting when he’s 35+. If he hates older guys with money now, he might be too short sighted to realize that he’s going to need to be the older guy with money himself a little later on.

    Feminist cultures will put everything on a silver plate for very, very young males who have a modicum of game (to compete with other guys their own age and appearance).

    Don’t give them credit for having too much game beyond their youth and proximity to the hottest women.

    I’m That Guy, Ari. That describes me to a T. I was given an advantage by the feminist system I was brought up under. I was handed a lot from women who wanted their daughters kept from the successful, responsible older men who would have given their daughters a better existence and a stable family. I to this day don’t understand the thinking of these women.

    As I was being taxied around by the pussy-whipped fathers, I often was confided that they were not at all happy with their butt ugly wives, and that they didn’t want to have sex with them and that married life was nothing but bills and if it wasn’t for their daughters (whom I was ruining), they would have nothing to do with the marriage. But I did harbor a hatred for the men who probably deserved these young tight women more than I did as a young listless thug.

    It’s not that I could not have been successful, not that I lacked the abstract thinking skills (minus the drugs) to be a financial success. I just had it too easy and was never motivated to earn any real money, because I had all the comforts I wanted and had all the pussy I wanted, well, maybe not all the pussy I wanted, but enough to be comfortable about my situation. I’ve never had any respect for money, and I still don’t other than the fact that it COULD come in handy when I reach the age that I’m just plain ugly.

    What makes me question money is the raw power game has. Without it, I saw a diminishing quality in my pussy intake, but with it, I can conqure the concupiscent world it seems. My attractive face and dress are really meaningless without game. I have even roved around dressed badly and unkempt and have still been able to score young hot pussy. I attribute this to game, and I doubt that if I improved my game that my slowly but inevitably diminishing looks and lack of money would make any noticable difference at all.

    I have however noticed from another angle the social dynamic Ari describes in brilliant detail. Now that I’m 31, I’m not allowed to fuck girls under 18, without the approval of her guardian if she is 16-17 where in the state I live, and of course not at all by law if she is under 16. Of course it doesn’t matter that I was fucking this age group when I was 12-18 without a conscience and even have been able to score a 16 year old on 1 occassion with the consent of the mother, whom I was fucking, but other than that if I know or even suspect the girl is not legal age, I will still very subtlely game her on occassion, hoping to make an impression for when she is legal.
    This has worked at least once. I’m not dumb enough to get thrown in jail for solicitation of a minor, but I have noticed marked jealousy from their tall boyfriends. I’m like a chained pit-bull ready to bite their faces off and fuck all the poodles once I bust off my chain, but I know the system would put me down if I did it. It’s obvious those girls would fuck me if I let them and when I score young pussy that drives those younger men up the wall. They hate me. Some of them want to kill me. But I know, for the most part, they are the same worthless trash I was and am. Should I give a fuck? I don’t know? I don’t think I care either way, but this has seriously given me a lot to think about Ari, xsplat et al.

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  267. on January 13, 2011 at 12:39 pm Firepower

    Obstinance Works

    Ari hit a nerve.

    There are a lot
    of dentists in
    his family

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  268. on February 9, 2011 at 1:42 pm HB

    You’re way undervaluing the apartment. A big apartment/house/condo is my number one indicator, no matter the furnishings, no matter the cleanliness. Most dudes can’t even afford a place to themselves, let alone a room in which you can’t touch the opposite walls simultaneously. A spacious pad says more than clothing and car and billfold-flashing combined.

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  269. on March 27, 2011 at 8:18 pm drew

    A few subtle hints of wealthy parents, cultured tastes (jazz, modern art, literary fiction, or anything high-end you can pull off while still being strongly hetero) also helps.

    For years I rented relatively cheap apartments in higher-end areas, leased a nice Audi, & dressed well, often bagging lonely, gym-honed doctors, lawyers, biz girls, & the like.

    Strangely, some gold diggers have decent career prospects of their own. But these generally come with jibungous, gajillion dollar student loans, truly nasty bosses (often female themselves), very challenging work, & long hours.
    Soon the diggerina discovers how hard it is to work like a man, & comes a bit late to the very sensible realization that in fact she would much much rather be home with squealing, germ spewing children (rather than with her squealing, germ ridden secretary, senior vp’s, clients, patients, et cetera).
    The other types of gold diggers are either working class girls who live in a fantasy world (to an even greater degree than other females) or are the daughters of free-spending, status conscious
    parents.
    Either way, similar methods can work. Just be sure to 86 these money honeys before they get too costly or bothersome.
    Also, be aware that these women in particular can be VERY disappointed when you vamoose. Even more so than other females, their vengeance can ve extreme, so CYA and watch your six after you leave them.

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