A reader emails:
This is a picture of a girl I dated my last year of college (she was 2 years behind me). The first pic is her right after we stopped dating, the second pic (purple shirt) is her after a year and a half of marriage… Tragic.
It’s scientifically proven that women pack on the pounds once they extract the wedding vows. It thus follows that married men enjoy much less satisfying sex than their single male counterparts. It all makes perfect sense from a game theoretic point of view: women show their best bodies when they are competing with other women for a man’s commitment, but once they have that commitment — and the power of the state to protect them from the consequences of breaking their implicit promise to please their husbands — they let themselves go.
This is why the hottest cougars are the ones who have never been married and have had to fight tooth and claw for male attention their whole lives.
So beware the gluttony hazard of marriage. If you’re a beta provider, the freezer will start filling up with Haagen-Dazs days after the honeymoon. She knows you’re not going to do anything about it. You have nowhere to run, and no other women to satisfy you. And you certainly don’t have the balls to tell her how much her rolls of blubber turn you off. Nope, you’ll grin and bear it when she commands you to dive down and snuffle around in her rhinoceros labia until she’s climaxed.
The sad photos above remind me of the time I dumped my wife for getting fat. I do hope she has managed to carry on without me.
Hungry Hungry Hippos tag lol.
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Unfortunately her tits didn’t get bigger with the extra pounds. Some women age quite well into the milf category, and actually skinniness is not always attractive on women who are 35+, as it just emphasises the looseness of their skin.
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Looks pretty good to me!
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What about a situation where the wife stays in shape?
1. the husband is super alpha and she needs to work hard after marriage to keep his attention; or
2. the husband is beta trending down and the wife is back on the market.
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Joke:
“What’s the most fattening dessert?”
A: Wedding Cake.
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Who is the girl on the left?
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The emailer should have been dating the one of the left in the 1st pic. She’s pretty built, and brunettes much more sexy in general. I was going to make a crack about banging the fatter version; you know, black guy, obese women, etc., but no, just no. She’s one step away from pear chan, without the cute myspace angle face.
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I don’t understand.
You mean the girl on the right in the top pic? The one in the floral print dress?
What do you mean she ‘got’ fat? I’m looking at how she is squeezed into that dress, bulging out all over, and it doesn’t look like all that much difference to me. She might be fatTER now, but she was no stick before, that’s fer sure.
The brunette on the left, that’s about as big as I’m willing to go — and even then, she better give good head!
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ah, the famous roissy dumped his wife post. It’s heartwarming, like a male version of a Lifetime Movie.
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It looks like this girl went from a size 8 to a size 14… yeah… neither is particularly small. Most women get a little larger when they age, but usually it’s not so drastic. Marry a size 2 and you’ll end up with someone in the right BMI range for life 🙂
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Hungry Hungry Hippos is right!
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Perfect way to keep her, and you in shape.
Run or swim together. Keeps you fit, keeps her fit as well.
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Moo!
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“Run or swim together”
Having common hobbies kills the spark for me.
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It’s not a hobby Lara, it’s for fitness. And it would be the only mutual ‘thing’.
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A thickie became a biggie.
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The most important thing is how a girl gains her weight!!! I know skinny chicks that look like shit when they gain 5, but then other chicks add 15 in the rights spots (rack and back) and they look hotter.
The brunette’s weight seems to stay off her stomach and accumulate in her tits. That’s awesome. I wonder what her ass looks like?
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“Having common hobbies kills the spark for me.”
As does a guy who can’t outrun you.
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@Lara
Based on your pseudonym, I assume you’re a woman.
So “common hobbies” kill the spark for you?
Yeah, right. Sure. Whatever. If Brad Pitt wanted you to go fishing and camping, yeah, I’m sure your spark would just fizzle right out…
Your comment is a perfect example of a shit-test for a beta chump.
No, bitch. If you had an Alpha running your ass, you’d do whatever he wanted to do. Because you’d want to JUST BE NEAR HIM.
Dumb broad.
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The double McChin.
The FUPA
The lousy hair.
Blondes really ARE disgusting.
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@Hughman
Why is it always the man’s responsibility to do shit he doesn’t want to do to help her do shit that she should be doing?
I’m all for supporting your partner but should a guy really have to take time out of his day to try and ensure she doesn’t turn into a farm animal?
And anyway, that shit only last about 8 seconds before she says “fuck it, I’d rather sit on the couch with a bucket of ice cream”.
Hook up with natural ectomorphs and avoid the problem completely.
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In all fairness, pregnancy can make you fat.
However, caring about whether or not you’re fat is huge.
Note that post-pregnancy women in Asia and France are often *not* fat.
And yet, somehow it’s the man’s fault when the sex or sexual attraction evaporates when the woman gets Cow-like.
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Of course, this reminds me of the greatest tragedy to befall a man of options, the be-whaling of Pierce Brosnan’s wife.
Good news though, it seems she’s laying off the bon bons. I guess he instill some dread in her, lord knows he wasn’t going to instill some pipe into that beast.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/pierce_brosnan/pierce_brosnans_wife_gets_fit_for_her_man-01152010.php
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I do hope Jezebel doesn’t pick up on that wife-dumping story.
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@ Gorby
That whole pregnancy excuse is one of the biggest brainwashings in history. Yeah, pregnancy makes you fat — WHEN YOU’RE PREGNANT!
In Japan, the average post-pregnancy woman is hotter than 70% of 20-yr-olds in the states. (Bodies. Faces are not necessarily better.)
One thing about pregnancy in Japan is that women aren’t encouraged to eat everything in the pantry. Giving the child the necessary nutrients is important, yes, but doesn’t require a woman to gain 50lbs. They carefully monitor their weight so that they don’t get too big in the first place.
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Newbies should know that the host was not married but, rather, the “Why I Left My Fat Wife” post is a parody of a Marie Claire article from a few years ago.
Those photos above are why I never got married. The top photo of the subject in question looks just like my current girlfriend and I know the bottom photo would be her 3 years after I married her. So it is doing her a favor not to marry her.
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Seriously, if you want to pick a girl that will withstand the test of time, you need to pick them quite skinning, cause everyone gains weight once they are married..more or less. I think the girls in the pics were all ready fat from the get go.
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@No Fat Chicks
@ Gorby
That whole pregnancy excuse is one of the biggest brainwashings in history. Yeah, pregnancy makes you fat — WHEN YOU’RE PREGNANT!
In Japan, the average post-pregnancy woman is hotter than 70% of 20-yr-olds in the states. (Bodies. Faces are not necessarily better.)
One thing about pregnancy in Japan is that women aren’t encouraged to eat everything in the pantry. Giving the child the necessary nutrients is important, yes, but doesn’t require a woman to gain 50lbs. They carefully monitor their weight so that they don’t get too big in the first place.
I totally agree. American women think their men are disloyal for not fucking them when they get disgusting, fat and ugly.
Well, … as I told one woman who was upset because her husband didn’t touch her any more – men like certain things. If you get fat, you’re saying to your husband:
I don’t want to be intimate with you any more.
Women just don’t understand this.
Males penises think what they think. We can’t “choose” to be attracted to a woman for her character. That’s it.
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Apparently the Why I Left My Beta Husband article in Marie Claire was syndicated/published all over the place as major media scrambled to put their names to it.
The Chateau’s great parody? Last I heard, neither MSN nor any of the women’s magazines have asked if they can republish it. Marie Claire said “no thanks”.
I wonder why? You’d think women would want an honest man’s POV about what could happen after marriage in terms of possibly losing the husb…
Oh wait. The courts would destroy his life if he tried to back out of the relationship.
Never mind. Move on folks. There’s nothing to see here.
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The structural problem is NOT the growing girth, but the early, “single-years” plunging neckline designed (by her) to deliberately feature her breasts.
Sexuality has predictably degenerated into the housewife cover-up, wherein cleavage as provocative overture to actual sexual activity has disappeared as an obsolete tool.
Imagine what manifest horrors await the husband on the playing field of marital bed.
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@No Fat Chicks
Over the summer I saw this smoking hot chick in a store and when she turned around I actually laughed out loud because she was actually pregnant, but in a very American way. ie. she looked as if she were wearing a tv prop.
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correction: Un-American way
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The blonde woman was fat before she married. She gained some weight in the second photo, but not that much. Mostly, she’s wearing an unflattering outfit and the angle of view is unflattering as well. Whoever wrote this should have known better by the body type she exhibited when he married her.
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Also notice the white, pasty skin in the bottom picture. The only light this piggy gets now is from the fluorescent lights in her basement.
In contrast to her weekly trips to the tanning salon back in college.
This is depressing. If I ever marry a chick she’ll have to be skinny, her mom and sisters can’t be fat, and she’ll have to have some kind of exercise regimen.
As Roissy says, a woman’s respect for you starts first and foremost with her respect for your sexual needs.
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bitch was disgustingly fat even BEFORE the wedding. A beta must have sent those photos in.
Another thing to point out is that these days it doesn’t even have to be MARRIAGE for the chick to get fat. Most committed relationships lasting more than 2 years will do the trick in ruining her body as well.
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Sexuality has predictably degenerated into the housewife cover-up, wherein cleavage as provocative overture to actual sexual activity has disappeared as an obsolete tool.
That’s because that wife knows she’s fat. Weight gain typically elicits the turtle reflex in women. The opposite would happen if she magically woke up thinner.
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You’d think women would want an honest man’s POV about what could happen after marriage in terms of possibly losing the husb…
no. as men, we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that women’s brains work the way ours do. but they don’t.
women’s brains are incapable of processing information in a manner that can be used to resolve issues.
women are not problem solvers.
they can only process ultimatums. ‘if you get fat, you can get the fuck out.’
they can process that. no explanation necessary.
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@ Jerry
Maybe no one wanted to reprint it because it was poorly written. I read it, not knowing it was a parody, and thought in a few areas that it didn’t really make sense. There was something off about this guy.
I love the spirit in which it was written but the role reversal was a little too literal in some places and didn’t ring true.
You know, the problem is not women getting fat. It’s that there are too many of you guys that are willing to stick your dicks into them regardless of their rolls. You guys just need to stop feeding the animals and they will come around. Problem is, it would take years for that to happen and since about 80% of your women are too fat to fuck, only about 20% of the women would be available for sex. Of that 20%, half of them have ugly faces or are otherwise repulsive in some way, so you’re left with even fewer. Then consider that half of those have shitty/boring personalities that you don’t want to be around and you’ve got what, less than 5% of all American women worth fucking.
And I’m being generous.
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Alright fellas. A show of hands. Who would fuck the brunette?
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I wonder how many yards you’d get if you lined up all the penises shes had in her mouth?
Every time I think an LTR would be nice I remind myself of that thought.
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This blond chick really hasn’t changed much in the two photos.
She was fat in the first and she’s fat in the second.
Now, as for Pierce Brosnan’s wife…..
Friggin’ JAMES BOND winds up with a FARM ANIMAL for a wife…. When will it end, Lord?
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Girls like assholes, videogame edition http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1945481
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People need to be careful. Don’t get too comfy and forget that 99% of humanity are lazy shits just waiting, salivating for the chance to do nothing and let go. Look at how they raise their children.
Fucking bunch of worthless pieces of shit, living off the hard work of others.
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Yes, 5% would be generous.
OK, here are some candidates for Beta of the Month:
Husband covers for his wife after she deliberately shoots him in the genitals
The above just happened on Monday.
House-Husbands Respond to the Marie Claire Article
Notice how they hadn’t learned a thing from the article, taking Amy on her word that the only problem with the divorced husband had been that he didn’t cook and do laundry well enough.
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The commenting on this blog is going downhill.
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Roissy/Chateau/Citizen Renegade –
One of your brothers in the literary style of “brutally deconstructing the dysfunction of post-modern western civilization”, Michel Houellebecq recently did an interview in which he declared the following:
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6040/the-art-of-fiction-no-206-michel-houellebecq
“INTERVIEWER
What is your concept of the possibility of love between a man and a woman?
HOUELLEBECQ
I’d say that the question whether love still exists plays the same role in my novels as the question of God’s existence in Dostoyevsky.
INTERVIEWER
Love may no longer exist?
HOUELLEBECQ
That’s the question of the moment.
INTERVIEWER
And what is causing its disappearance?
HOUELLEBECQ
The materialist idea that we are alone, we live alone and we die alone. That’s not very compatible with love. ”
—
What is your take on this?
Is even the prospect of falling in love such a tumultuous possibility for western men that the most successful strategy for them is to become permanent cads?
Are longterm relationships with FOREIGN women a doomer option for western men as well?
Do you see any rebound and rebalancing in the future for men?
I am personally noticing that all my male friends, regardless of AGE, race, class, wealth or status are succumbing to participation into two socio-sexual groups — celibate workaholic and hobbyholic beta males and unbalanced asshole alpha males.
I realize how society got to this point, but I’m fearful of how it may bode for these men in older age and for the next generation at large.
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The way to keep a wife sexy is to have additional wives. That way, they compete for your attention.
Who knew that Joseph Smith was right about something?
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She’s not really fat in the first pic, but you can see the potential. The arms are the best giveaway when you can’t see the neck. Look at that little bulge right above the elbow. It was starting then — she’s probably the body type that packs on the pounds easily on the standard American diet — but many single women fight off the weight for years with a combination of stress, drugs, and starvation. A LTR takes away at least one of those factors, and the body achieves its weight set point in a hurry.
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Yes, she’s put on a few pounds, but still looks OK to me. It would be helpful to know how much time elapsed between the two shots, how old she was then/is now, and if there was/were pregnanc(ies) in between.
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As Me said in his wonderfully understated manner, we are all fat pigs.
Not to put a damper on the SheHog Express, but husbands are quite prone to turn into fucking John Goodman the minute they tie the knot.
It’s all about complacency and laziness, the greatest offerings of marriage which are coincidentally also the greatest maladies of post-Industrial Man.
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even if you don’t think the blonde is fat in the first picture, there are visual indicators that she had a high probability of rapid weight gain.
take a look at how her forearm joins her upper arm. that is a red flag. that area should NEVER look like that unless you are looking at an infant.
the brunette isn’t very far off, either.
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This is also a contender for BOTM:
Australian “man” agrees to kill the fetuses of twin boys in his wife’s womb because they were “desperate for a girl”
This guy can be nominated because of what his girlfriend looked like and because there were probably warning signs of what she’d do:
Woman pours gasoline over boyfriend’s genitals and lights them on fire
Third degree burns there mean he won’t be getting anymore hotties soon.
She’ll probably get acquitted by a female judge.
Although there’s some hope for men on the horizon: the only men’s rights organization in the USA, Fathers and Families, reports that the public actually got offended about “domestic violence” when a woman slapped “The Bachelor’ on TV recently:
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=11884
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Almost every chick I have ever dated get married to the next guy, hence the moniker.
I still have a few of them on facebook so I get to see the
transformationtrainwreck unfold.The other day one of them posted a new pic on fb. When I dated her she was thick but fuckable. Three years later she looks like the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man. Dodged that bullet!
Maybe I should have married the Filipina (who also married the next guy). Nah, rather not get cheated on.
Or the 33 yr old strip club bartender with the perfect bod. Eh…rather not get cheated on by an indecisive, emotionally unstable ex stripper with a serious drinking problem. We’ll see if her current man wife’s her up. At least she will stay skinny.
GOD I LOVE AMERICAN WOMEN!
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And I just love how un-PC it is to call a woman out on her weight.
I remember getting the “If I ever gain weight will you still love me” shit test from one of my exes. No self respecting man would allow that to happen without repercussions, so I think I responded with something along the lines of “I doubt it”.
Her chunky older sister was right there when she asked me this. Needless to say I wasn’t very popular with those two for the rest of the day.
At least I retained my dignity.
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And then there’s the resentment a typical woman will hold over your head if she bites the bullet and gets thin again, saying we only want her for sex. We can’t win.
What happened to wifely duty in staying attractive to her mate?
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Not to be a dick, but I dont see a lot of difference. Although in my defense the phone’s screen may be hiding the added rolly-pollyness
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Gorb,
The reason why post-partum women get fat and stay that way in this country is largely because the number one way in which women burn off their pregnancy fat is by breast feeding.
The proliferation of the popularity of formula combined with the fact that most women work or go to school or do something other than stay home with their children 24/7 when they are babies means most women in the US wean their babies way too early, leaving all those fat deposits they naturally accumulate during pregnancy. The female body does that as future storage for milk production. IIRC, those fat deposits are also far more resistant to burning off via exercise and eating a proper diet compared to regular fat tissue.
Women who breast feed for at least a year find it far easier to lose their pregnancy weight and even find themselves in better shape after having given birth and nursed for long enough than before they got pregnant.
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She has gained prolly 10 pounds. Expect an additional 20 after pregnancy and until death.
And yes, I would definitely fuck that brunette.
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I confess I’m in the camp that can’t see much difference between the two pics. In one she’s wearing a flattering dress and in the other she’s caught in the middle of some action which gives her lousy posture. She’s too chunky in BOTH pictures.
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Here is an article entitled: “Why Mail-Order Brides Are on the Rise in the U.S.”
http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/dating-blog/mail-order-brides-trend-rising
The funny thing is that the whole article is about how, not about why!
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The trend of obesity is extremely disturbing. My family and I went out for new year’s eve to enjoy outdoor fireworks. Three generations of family members were with us, so imagine the embarassment and extreme discomfort of the younger generations when the streets are flooded with 200-lb women wearing very short dresses, open-toe heels and no stockings what-so-ever in below freezing weather!
Overweight women here appear confused. They seem to believe that the loss of looks caused by their weight can be compensated through inappropriate clothing. I have never seen this attitude anywhere except for in the United States and Canada.
It is unbelievable.
As if they are searching for a quick-fix solution that acts as the red herring from the truth about themselves. It seems to be an extension of the culture.
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Dave from HI: Agreed. You know how people say that pregnant women are “eating for two?”
Well, breastfeeding women are STILL “eating for two” — but the kid is growing faster and the method of transfer is less efficient. Women who can’t get back to their pre-pregnancy weight are either not breastfeeding enough, or are gorging themselves beyond all reason.
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@Dave from Hawaii
Gorb,
The reason why post-partum women get fat and stay that way in this country is largely because the number one way in which women burn off their pregnancy fat is by breast feeding.
I think you’re right, Dave – I’ve read this before.
Good info to store.
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@Logic
That new Marie Claire article continues the radical feminist tradition of denigrating and stigmatizing American men for trying to leave the reservation. There is no such thing as a mail order bride. Only 1% of Russian and EE women are interested in meeting US men online or via agencies. And these are the better income women.
What’s really disgusting is this: the IMBRA law has actually caused once ridiculously low pricing at agencies to go up, so where once a socially adept American businessman could quickly meet a woman for about $12 (the price of her phone number) while on a vacation, now sites are using a false description of IMBRA to fool lower betas and gammas into spending $500 or more on correspondence with non-existent women (the fool will write letters back and forth with an employee of the agency – the real woman is not told of the man’s existence).
So the real women on these sites are not hearing anything from American men.
The agencies are convincing lower betas and gammas that the law is good because “women shouldn’t give out their personal contact information until they get to know men”.
This sets the men up for being tricked about women being the ones who get to know them via letters (the men end up corresponding with agency employees, often males).
Smart men will insist that IMBRA does not apply after the woman has read a man’s first letter. The agency can give out her phone number at any time after that. If she’s not willing to do that for a man in her town on vacation, she’s not really interested in meeting foreigners. You can get a local agency to set up a real date for $40 while the same people charge $400 to an idiot who doesn’t know better.
As the article says using circular logic, because the radical feminist IMBRA law caused pricing to go way up (because it gave agencies an excuse to do so) and only lower betas and gammas are willing to pay thousands of dollars to meet women (as opposed to $12 four years ago), it stands to reason (at least in feminist minds) that one of these lower betas or gammas will commit violence when he gets scammed or dumped for a higher beta or alpha later on.
Someone who actually has time should comment there (register at Marie Claire etc) at least about how the article is obvious protectionism, designed to stigmatize men into not abandoning older American women and to assuage the insecurities of the American women who read that magazine.
The biggest danger about fembot articles like that is that they can get reprinted in Russia and Eastern Europe and work to destroy the reputation of American men.
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Shouldn’t obesity be a sign of fitness (and alpha-ness) in men and of fitness and fertility in women?
For men, it reflects there success at hunting, agriculture, trade, commerce, defending their resources.
In women, it reflects stores of nutrition for having babies and for surviving through periods of scarcity.
It find it weird that obesity is not more attractive. Maybe we have been socially programmed against it.
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Good Luck Chuck:
You sound kind of regretful about the fact that women you have dated go on to marry.
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Gorbachev I know you like them thin but how thin exactly?
Do you prefer women who are a size 00 or size 0?
Does Chanel Iman have your ideal body type?
What’s the biggest you would go for? size 4?
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Hey guys… I’m the dude that sent in the pics… You would really have seen the difference if you had seen the contrast in the face, but obviously it had to be blurred out.
As for the brunette, surprise surprise, she’s a foreign chic… French I believe (if memory serves)…
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i could have called it on her being foreign. my guess was french or italian. i love that color of skin.
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Some stick thin women would actually do themselves a favor by gaining a few pounds. If you can see your ribs you probably need to gain 5-10 pounds. If you put it on right it will go to your ass and tits and probably make you look better. I once dated a girl who was obsessed with her weight. When we first got together she was a healthy skinny weight. Over the course of the next few months she must have lost 10-15 on a rather small frame. He tits became saggy, her ass was baggy, and her ribs were just sticking out. She thought she looks gorgeous because she was finally a size 2. Maybe other guys would find that hot, but I just walked away.
I’ve noticed that when chicks are rejected by Alphas they tend to get fat and go a bit crazy. Many of a woman who I have booted to booty call land or stopped calling I have seen go wacko. They start drinking wine by the bottle and sleeping with loser guys every weekend. Alpha rejection really messes with women.
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@chic noir
Gorbachev I know you like them thin but how thin exactly?
Do you prefer women who are a size 00 or size 0?
Does Chanel Iman have your ideal body type?
What’s the biggest you would go for? size 4?
What a curious question.
Chanel Iman is close to it, and unsprisingly for the next supermodel, deliciously hot… but I have a wide range of tastes. I like shapely women, so the boyish look of models isn’t my preferred choice (not that Chanel Iman is boyish). Also tasty are Sessilee Lopez, … let me see, … Jourdan Dunn is nicely shaped, …
Thandie Newton was a hottie when she burst onto the stage.
Toni Braxton?
I like booty, too. What man doesn’t? T&A, can’t replace that.
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america’s currently the world leader for obesity, but other nations in the anglosphere aren’t that far behind. neither are europe and russia.
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gordy- well chanel Iman is slimmest of top models around right now. She is also a Victoria Secret girl and gets called on being to thin and not curvy enough for the brand. She is much slimmer than the other angles.
I like shapely women, so the boyish look of models isn’t my preferred choice
that’s funny cause all of this time I though you had similar taste to PA except maybe you liked a little boobs.
I take it you would like lara stone? She about a size 4 slim and curvy.
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Sort of on/off topic….has the dismal deathtrap that has become marriage and child-rearing for men made any of you out there contemplate getting a vasectomy? (That is assuming you have completely sworn off reproduction and marriage.)
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Why would any guy swear off reproduction and marriage?
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But still how many men also let themselves go after getting married?
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@Chic Noir,
I like booty, it suits the right body. Some bodies need big breasts, … some don’t. Small and tight can be good. Bigger can be good It’s all about proportion, to a point.
I take it you would like lara stone? She about a size 4 slim and curvy.
I find her Heroin Chainsmoker Gauntface a little off-putting, but she’s slim and curvy.
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Women don’t have to be married to have this happen. They just have to be COMFORTABLE in a relationship and the same thing happens. What’s one of the first things a woman does when a man breaks up with her? She heads for the gym. Even if that isn’t the reason they broke up (it usually isn’t THE reason), deep down they KNOW they let themselves slip, and believe they need to look better if they want to snag the next guy. Then they make it motivational – “I’ll show him what he gave up…the next time he sees me, with my NEW boyfriend, I’ll make him jealous!” Yeah, right. When you were with him you ballooned up. You ran to the gym to get a new guy, but wouldn’t do it for the guy you’re with. Stupid bitches. It’s like your cell carrier – they’ll promise the world to get a new customer, but won’t do shit once they’re getting your money!
I believe trophy wives are the exception, mainly because they KNOW the reason they hit the lottery is because of their looks, and they’ll get replaced by someone younger and hotter if they don’t maintain. They’re probably married to an alpha, who ISN’T afraid to call them out if they slip, and is also willing to foot the bill for the personal trainer or gym to keep her right.
Pregnancy is a legit reason for a woman gaining weight, but not necessarily a reason for a woman to KEEP the weight on. And women that are in shape BEFORE pregnancy bounce back better than women that were never really in shape. Women that were former athletes also have a different pride in being in shape, and want to return to pre-baby shape as quickly as they can. Actresses and models make their livings with their looks, so if they’re not working, they have nothing but time to work out and get fit.
Personally, I like a woman with some curves. She can be a little thick, as long as she’s shapely and proportional, and I see she’s fit. Some women will never get skinny, and I don’t want that anyway. Cutie on the right in the picture is one of those thicker ones. In the next picture you see that GUT developing, that fat upper-pussy area. You see the upper arm starting to balloon up a little too. If she gets to the gym now and puts in some work, she can reverse the trend. But the bigger you let yourself get, the harder it is to shed.
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“I wonder how many yards you’d get if you lined up all the penises shes had in her mouth?
Every time I think an LTR would be nice I remind myself of that thought.”
Hahahahaha, love it.
I will never forget that image now, for the rest of my life. Good…good….
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The multiple chins developing on her are another indication of weight gain. And it also looks like she has a flat ass, a definite minus in my book. And yeah…I’d bring the heat to the brunette in the pic, but I’d love to see their faces just the same.
[Editor: The brunette is very cute.]
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How would you get your chick to lose weight? Just tell her that her chunky ass needs to hit the treadmill?
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Its the chin.
First pic, its a single
Second pic, its a double.
When fat hits the face, it ruins everything.
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Look at those arms in the top picture. She always had porker potential.
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I could tell she was going to balloon in the first pic. Its beyond obvious. She was just on the other side of fat then. Hence, I wouldn’t have disqualified her as long term material.
The only women that stay skinny, or more accurately balloon to normal, are the ones that are overly skinny in their youth. They have the nice bodies as older women. Of course, its just a higher probability. Nothing is guaranteed.
Asking if you would fuck the brunette is like asking if you are heterosexual. Its a completely redundant and stupid question.
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I would swear off doing so because given the state of family law the cost of doing so is too high.
Marriage = institution of indentured servitude governed by laws of the woman. If she wants out she takes everything. If you want out you leave with nothing.
Kids = indentured servitude governed by laws of the woman. If she wants out of marriage, she takes the kids and 33% (at least) of your post tax pay. You never get to see the kids, either by her will or that of a court.
Until there is a power flip in family law and men start to get a say in shit, it just isn’t worth subjecting yourself to either. That is unless you want to live as a 50 year old man in a small room in a bad section of town while your wife drives two new cars and has a “boyfriend” that she refuses to marry because that will decrease her child support.
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She wasn’t so slim in the first pic.
I like thick woman but it’d be hard to count the number of them who after awhile haven’t gained weight.
The average curvy/thick woman is always on a slippery slope.
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@Ruby
“Roissy/Chateau/Citizen Renegade –
One of your brothers in the literary style of “brutally deconstructing the dysfunction of post-modern western civilization”, Michel Houellebecq recently did an interview in which he declared the following:
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6040/the-art-of-fiction-no-206-michel-houellebecq”
Thank you so much for this link.
“INTERVIEWER
Your last novel, The Possibility of an Island, ends in a desolate world populated by solitary clones. What made you imagine this grim future in which humans are cloned before they reach middle age?
HOUELLEBECQ
I am persuaded that feminism is not at the root of political correctness. The actual source is much nastier and dares not speak its name, which is simply hatred for old people. The question of domination between men and women is relatively secondary—important but still secondary—compared to what I tried to capture in this novel, which is that we are now trapped in a world of kids. Old kids. The disappearance of patrimonial transmission means that an old guy today is just a useless ruin. The thing we value most of all is youth, which means that life automatically becomes depressing, because life consists, on the whole, of getting old.”
So very true.
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Chunky wife – Preole
Thin – SWPL
Trophy aka stays thin model wife – Elite or alpha SWPL
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Sort of on/off topic….has the dismal deathtrap that has become marriage and child-rearing for men made any of you out there contemplate getting a vasectomy?
i’m seriously thinking about it. i simply don’t have the desire to get married or have kids.
if i knock a girl up, i’m either stuck supporting a kid i don’t want, or convince her to have an abortion. neither choice is appealing to me.
having sperm is therefore all liability. a vasectomy is the solution. that or abstinence.
i’ve thought of anonymous sperm donation before i get snipped, but i’m still on the fence on that one.
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anonymouses anonymous said: “The way to keep a wife sexy is to have additional wives. That way, they compete for your attention.
Who knew that Joseph Smith was right about something?”
Mohammed thought of it first… that and replacing ’em with fresh 9-year-olds when they were over the hill at 22.
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[…] is a shameless piggyback off of a Citizen Renegade post in which the warpiggening of a feral female is graphically […]
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@Extinguish
@Legion
“I wonder how many yards you’d get if you lined up all the penises shes had in her mouth?
Every time I think an LTR would be nice I remind myself of that thought.”
No seriously, reading this blog has made this thought a permanent hurdle in wanting or having an LTR. Especially now when I see my single female friends (mid-twenties) that were once hot and innocent now on the wrong side of aging.
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“replacing ‘em with fresh 9-year-olds”
Someone tell the joke about thirty seven year olds.
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@ HarmonicaFTW: Hit the nail on the head… If everyone saw the whole face, you’d all see the tragedy.
I know she was on the thicker side, but man, she was gorgeous… now- a mere shell.
@ C: hilarious comment about the brunette… totally stated the obvious
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Baby, as much as I luuurve you and your Haggen-daz, it’s……
.. getting kinda hard for me to pin you up against the bedroom wall like I used to. I’m not as young as I used to be you know. So aa, … I got you this gym membership…. you can do it I know you can.. …your a BIG girl now..
(I’d probably get slapped for that last one)
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@Trismegistus
Actually, nursing women are “eating for two” MORE so than pregnant women. The caloric requirement for a pregnant woman is only 300 kcal/day more than baseline, but the requirement for lactating women is 500 kcal/day more. And the recommended amout of weight to gain during pregnancy for a NORMAL (BMI < 25) woman is 20-30 lbs. That so many women use pregnancy as an excuse to become obese–and that society and their husbands so often defer to them on this–is disgraceful.
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Last Saturday I went out with a friend and a few girls. These chicks are probably early-mid 30’s. My buddy is banging the one that weighs about 115lbs.
Hung out with these girls a few times and from what I gather one of them used to do some modeling and tv work for some pretty big name companies back in the day.
For some reason this ex model couldn’t hold her three drinks and toward the end of the night she collapsed on the floor of the bar. My buddy and I had to basically carry her back to a third chick’s car.
As I am carrying this chick down the sidewalk I started wondering how much she weighs. 180? Taller girl but still WELL over ideal weight. I couldn’t help but think to myself “Holy shit, if this chick was normal weight I could sling her over my shoulder and carry her BY MYSELF.” As it was, two of us were straining to carry her two blocks to the car.
I have some upper body pictures of us from a few weeks ago. This girl has a beautiful face but the sight of her large upper arms give away the secret of her true beauty.
It’s sad but this chick could raise her sexual market value by 40% if she were to lose 40 pounds. And this is par for the course in the states these days.
Dave-
I might have been, if they had been marriage material.
The End-
I agree.
One of my pivots used to be super thin despite her late night tater tot addiction. She recently turned 30 and put on about 10 lbs. She now has an AMAZING ass. Totally filled her out from head to toe. Took her from a 6 to a strong 7.
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The author is, not surprisingly, neglecting the symmetry here — between women who let their weight go after marriage, and men who let their game go after marriage. In fact, it’s a common theme even among the most idealistic (read: keyboard jockey) members of the PUA community that men “get rusty” with their game in LTR’s; this is really the same thing.
The motivation that spurs men to work on their game during marriage is the same motivation that spurs women to work on their weight. In both cases, it’s at least partially a motivation to stay attractive to the opposite sex in general — and you know what this means: with that awesome panacea of game for men / hotness for women, comes an additional risk of cheating. In either direction.
In other words, it’s a lot like playing with fire: You’re more likely to get burned… but, at the same time, you get to play with fire all the time and impress all those onlookers. For a lot of people, that’s worth getting burned once or twice.
The flipside is, if she’s packing on ten or twenty pounds, at least you can rest easy in your knowledge that she probably isn’t about to cheat on you.
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Previous comment in m o d, aarg.
Also, if she’s packing on the pounds, look in the mirror; there’s probably a lack of game there, mirroring her lack of attention to her body.
Sorry, guys, but, if you’re going to accept the whole idea that men deserve the mantle of leadership/stewardship, then you need to realize that, if she’s porking up, at least part of it is due to a deficit in your own leadership skills.
And, no, the hottest older women are *always* married.
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@ Rey
So you’d be happy to marry Porkette because your leadership would surely induce her to lose all the extra padding, right?
Seems to me that you’ve bought into this whole alpha leadership thing a little too deeply.
Here’s how a self-proclaimed alpha behaves.
Every time he meets a woman that doesn’t have all the qualities he’s looking for, he passes. When he find one he wants he swings and misses a few dozen times. Finally, through lucky timing and circumstance, he finds one who is not only what he wants physically but who is also willing to let herself be led.
Then he gets all proud of himself for being so alpha!
The difference is not that they alpha can lean anyone he wants. The difference is that the beta is willing to let himself be led while the alpha will pass on those girls.
The alpha isn’t alpha because he can lead everybody. He’s alpha because he doesn’t waste his time with those he can’t lead (and there are many) and moves on until he finds one that let’s herself be led. Also, betas don’t want to lead and alphas thrive on it.
But make no mistake. Alphas don’t lead anyone who doesn’t want to be led.
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She changed her clothes?
Her neck looks different, but I think that has more to do with her not posing for the camera on the second pic.
Her basic shape looks the same to me in both pics.
Having said that, I totally agree with the basic “don’t get married” message.
When my girfriend and I got back together she asked if would make “an honest woman of her” now.
I reminded her of the statistical fact that 70% of all divorces are initiated by the woman and asked what was so romantic about getting the state and the legal system involved in our relationship.
She STFU.
If a couple are not planning to have to have kids, then marriage is just a license to behave badly.
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too skinny girls like Chanel Iman cannot be considered sensual for instance. Some meat is good for non-vegetarians!!
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I saw this in full force at my first class reunion. Scary stuff. Talk about a classic case of bait-n-switch!
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Guys – Posts like this are great and more are needed for people to find via Google to counteract the feminism that tells young women that they will be beautiful forever.
Posts like this, over the long run, might help curb entitlement complexes among those who know the cold-hearted reality that they might hit the wall before 25.
However, regarding participation in the comments, the interest factor for me to actually sit and type, post after post, about how the one on the right is the type I date before they get fat and, no, the brunette is too small and skinny…died long ago.
I guess I don’t see this blog as a place to shoot the breeze in casual conversation, which is what the skinny girls vs women with booty debate really is.
I see it as a high trafficked forum where key people in various governments or media might be influenced to speak out and improve men’s lives via education about things like game, killing pretty lies and defeating feminism, especially the fundamental drive of feminists to stop men from dating younger, hotter, tighter women.
I’m not knocking guys giving their opinion about what they are attracted to, but understand that Business Week (owned by Bloomberg who wants to be President) just published a major article that totally slammed the idea of men dating foreign women and declared that the US government should do more to stop it.
The Marie Claire blog article that Logic mentioned above is just a blog article from a women’s magazine that you can expect to be insecure about men dating foreign women and supportive about radical feminist laws like IMBRA.
But the blog article is based on and points to a Business Week article, written by a mangina, from 5 days ago that demands that the government actually enforce IMBRA while it shames men and dishonestly implies that men who marry foreign women are more violent than average.
The article directly ridicules men who have a problem with feminism. Only one man commented with a rebuttal and none of them were from here (where or when I comment myself on the Internet is not the issue as every guy who wants to see feminism curbed needs to consider commenting on articles and challenging laws in court).
We’re losing the battle if Bloomberg joins CNN and Fox News to belittle men who date foreign women or criticize feminism and we don’t even try to comment.
The Chateau has already demanded that Congress repeal the IMBRA law but any male citizen of the USA can and should walk into a federal courthouse and file a challenge against the law, which will have to be decided upon even if the challenge is written on a restaurant napkin.
IMBRA, which calls for international dating sites to background check all US citizens before they can legally say hello to a foreigner, was upheld by a Bush appointee Thomas Rose who said “There is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner for a relationship.”
Considering that many of you living in the USA can go to a federal courthouse TODAY over your lunch hour, I’d propose that it might be a better use of your time to get the federal justice system at least THINKING about the Constitutionality of this kind of law, rather than debating with each other over whether the brunette is hotter than the blonde in the top picture.
The ideal guy to do challenge fembot laws is someone with a common name or who won’t mind a dozen or so feminist bloggers calling him names for a week or two.
Other than that, I don’t know why its so hard to find men who are willing to challenge feminist laws in federal court. The Supreme Court has struck down parts of VAWA.
That is not to say there is anything wrong, in general, with guys debating good-naturedly about what size of women they like.
I just see Bloomberg, CNN and Fox News ridiculing the single male population of the US and recommending enforcement of the above laws while we argue who’s hotter in the top picture.
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The name of the male writer at BusinessWeek who used radfem rhetoric to slam American men dating foreigners (mail order brides) is Teddy Wayne.
The link above is to where the Marie Claire writer, Maura Kelly, blogs about how he’s one of 3 sexy male writers in the media today. Her blog also links to Teddy’s hatchet job of the “mail order bride industry” (which is collapsing by the way, not thriving – the agencies are mostly scamming men).
You can see why she likes him: he plays like a White Knight to her insecurities as a late 30s spinster.
And he does this at our expense while the billionaires Bloomberg, Turner and Murdoch enable it all.
For males, feminists are not the problem. The problem is:
1) Mangina Bloomberg
2) Mangina Ted Turner
3) Mangina Murdoch
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Single:
Married:
Single:
Married:
Any questions?
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Asking if you would fuck the brunette is like asking if you are heterosexual. Its a completely redundant and stupid question.
LOL. But seriously, some think the French girl is too big for them. I’m just wonder what percentage and whom as several results from the model ranking thread surprised me.
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Some guys like the larger women, including rich guys.
A heavily pregnant Penny Lancaster looks ready to drop as she lunches with Rod Stewart
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hilarious comment about the brunette… totally stated the obvious
And some people labeled you beta for ever having dating the blonde in the first place.
Me. I’m simply interested in the pics.
Don’t stoop.
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Rod Steward looks like a beta
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The blonde in the 2nd pick looks just like in the first. Fat. I don’t see how she got any fatter. The only difference is clothing.
The brunette is not good either, but she is doable. I had to see her face to decide trough.
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Well in second look brunette might be normal after all, but not perfect
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This kitchen needs a reno ..yucky! look at the handles on the cupboards and the fridge! omg!! What’s with the Xmas decorations…Just like the girls…everything needs a reno. I know you guys don’t care, but likely you will NOT find good looking girls in scenes like this. trust me!
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@Rey
Sorry, guys, but, if you’re going to accept the whole idea that men deserve the mantle of leadership/stewardship, then you need to realize that, if she’s porking up, at least part of it is due to a deficit in your own leadership skills.
Umm. Don’t you think game effort is better spent on attaining a threesome with the au pair, rather than keeping a wife’s ass from getting fat?
Simply put no smart guy should ever get serious about a woman who does not routinely exercise before she met him and continues to even after she earns the title of girlfriend.
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no fat chicks —
Alphas don’t lead anyone who doesn’t want to be led
pah!
your use of “want” is … wanting in precision, but, if you mean that alphas can only lead those women who are consciously aware that they want to be led, you’re sadly mistaken — and you have a rather strange definition of alpha, to boot: where’s the sense of accomplishment in taming a housecat?
also, i see that you have little experience with women who (consciously think they) don’t want to be led, or actively rebel against being led. ironically, these women are among the easiest to conquer, as you can simply harness the momentum of their own thoughts for your own ends.
these are the hard-nosed, soi-disant “self-directed” women whose thoughts and opinions are as exogenous as they are ardent; the art is simply to replace those exogenous thoughts and values with your own, after which they’ll do your bidding with equal passion — thinking it was their idea all along.
i’ve changed since i met you, they’ll say.
…damn right you have.
gane todo sin combatir.
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evil alpha —
Don’t you think game effort is better spent on attaining a threesome with the au pair, rather than keeping a wife’s ass from getting fat?
either-or fallacy.
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@Rollo Tomassi…jesus christ. Those chicks didn’t just gain weight. Each of them gained a whole PERSON. You could kind of see the propensity in the one with the red dress (I like that bubble ass, but you know it’s a bad sign if she lets herself go). But the first couple…wow. She’s a stunning woman, but she obviously had NO pride. And it seems like the guys maintained their weight and fitness. Guys will also gain a bit of weight in marriage, but what those women allowed to happen is UNFORGIVEABLE. It reminds me of a high school friend I reconnected with a couple of years ago (she found me on myspace). She was one of my crushes, and we had a brief thing way back in H.S. When I saw her pics, my heart SUNK. She was one of the sexiest girls I had ever seen in high school…firm round breasts, with those nipples that always seemed to be poking out. One of the roundest, most beautiful asses. She had my ideal figure. Now, some 25 years later, she was a PIG. It wasn’t the same girl. She had to be some 40-50 pounds bigger. Yes, she had two kids, but they’re both one is late teens, and the other is 20 years old. She just gave up. The she separated from the father of her sons a few years back…because he cheated on her. I’m not shocked.
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@Narciso
“either-or fallacy.”
Zero Sum ignorance.
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@Narciso
Looks like I’m into taming housecats, cuz I prefer screwing in shape hot chicks to the thrill of conquering big fat losers.
Frankly I’m not really interested in proving what a bad ass I am by mind fucking some whale wannabee into thinness… but to each his own.
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Carrie Fisher admits ‘I’m Jabba the Hut!’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1346488/Carrie-Fisher-admits-Im-fat-signs-Jenny-Craigs-new-spokesperson.html
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a couple of weeks back i came across another forum (forget which) that had a thread dedicated to these types of before & after pics. the thread was like 30+ pages long.
it was hilarious, shocking, and depressing all at the same time.
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Single:
Married:
the look on the poor guy’s face in the ‘after’ pic says it all.
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Yes, that Carrie Fisher article is a shocking statement to men not to get married. She was totally gorgeous in the original Star Wars film.
And it is great to see the Daily Mail, a main stream media publication, working on pointing this out to men.
It is also a shocking statement to young women who look like she did in her Star Wars days, that they shouldn’t be so quick to reject the guy in front of her because of feelings of entitlement.
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Dear God Roissy: eviscerate!
http://www.salon.com/life/since_you_asked/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2011/01/12/intoxicating_men&source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%2520Newsletter%2520%2528Not%2520Premium%2529_7_30_110
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Jerry,
Of course we’re on your side, but I think “how to avoid getting stuck with a fat chick” has more universal appeal than “how to avoid being arrested for marrying out of a mail order catalog.” Just sayin…
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@Evil Alpha
That’s true enough. And maybe guys should be peremptorily arrested for marrying anyone at all. 😉
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Especially since so many guys put more effort into picking a stock than picking a wife.
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Pierce Brosnan? What the hell are you doing?
http://fisherwy.blogspot.com/2008/01/keely-shaye-smith-is-pierce-brosnan.html
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thirsty: “Carrie Fisher admits ‘I’m Jabba the Hut!’”
Damn, “Haha, puta tuta, Solo!” is right! :O
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http://blog.beliefnet.com/ourladyofweightloss/2010/01/celebrity-weight-pierce-brosna.html
“It’s not that Pierce Brosnan isn’t swell. But really!! If Keely Shaye Smith wants to get in shape or lose weight, I sure hope she’s doing it for herself, first and foremost.”
“# Are you losing weight for you, or someone else?”
Ah yes, my favorite, only lose weight for yourself while in a relationship. Men, nothing but golf and fishing. Do it for for you.
“# What will losing weight give you that you wouldn’t otherwise have?”
What ever man is standing next to you.
“# What does your body have to say about your choices?”
The phrase “chew the fat” is back.
“# What have you learned from past weight loss attempts?”
When I whack in that last pastry with a mallet, I get sweaty rolls.
“# What takes you off-course?”
The main course.
“# How will you celebrate yourself one year from now?”
If you don’t lose the side car, how will you celibacy?
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If you are in a LTR; or interested in one the fact that a woman gets fat is GREAT.
Ya, it’s embarassing to take her around your friends. You know, the whole moped thing – but…
It makes your life as a man FAR easier unless she gets health problems.
Because:
#1 Guys like Roissy won’t hit on her, therefore the amount of time you have to spend “gaming” her to keep her in line in minimal
#2 It automatically lowers her value so you reap the benefits of #1 again
#3 It’s a built-in “whore” detector. If she suddenly “decides” that she needs to lose weight (absent health probles of course) you know WHY.
#4 If you’re evil, or a sociopath like I am, you can then get pussy on the side and blame the woman.
Win-Win.
LTBD
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Sting says you gotta have a strong pimp hand. Skinny wife agrees:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1346787/Sting-Trudie-Styler-reveal-secret-strong-30-year-marriage–tawdry-sex.html
Is it any more obvious????
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I remember when I ran into the girl I had a crush on in school — a crush I never completely lost through my 20s and into my 30s. She was always the sort of ideal I held onto, even when I was dating other girls. Gorgeous blue-eyed blonde cheerleader, but smart and nice as can be; the kind that exemplifies the phrase “girl next door” in all the best ways. Unfortunately, I was the shy white-knight back then, so she was always more interested in the alpha of the class.
When we were both about 35, I finally ran into her for the first time since we were 18. The eyes and hair were the same, but the extra 50 pounds put an end to the 25-year crush in a hurry. I already knew she was married with 3 kids, but that hadn’t destroyed that little nagging “I wonder….” kicking around in the back of my mind. The extra weight killed it quick.
Of course, women will say that just means I’m a pig, but the fact is I’m one of the nicer, more brains-over-beauty guys around. It’s just a fact that physical attraction matters a LOT to men, and extra weight has a LARGE effect on physical attraction for men. We men can’t do anything about that. I didn’t really want to give up my near-lifetime crush; it died on it’s own. I once knew a woman who could carry on a great conversation about anything, who offered to come over and blow me anytime just so we could talk — and she was extremely skilled at that too — but I gave it up after the first time because she was at least 100 pounds plus. I didn’t want to give up free blowjobs at my beck-and-call either, but I couldn’t help it. So if girls want guys to be attracted to them, shedding extra weight is the best (and only, in many cases) way to make a noticeable change in that area.
Unfortunately, losing weight isn’t that easy, and tossed-off recommendations to hit the gym and eat less don’t help, because those things don’t drive weight loss. (Yes, starvation and overwork can take weight off temporarily, but they exacerbate the hormonal issues that caused the weight gain in the first place, virtually guaranteeing worse obesity in the future.) It’s very hard for ordinary people to sort through all the mainstream misinformation and find out what really works to fix the hormonal and metabolic issues that cause obesity, and then stick to those when everyone from your mom to Oprah to the magazine rack in the checkout counter at the grocery store is telling you several times every day that you’re killing yourself.
So I feel for women like the one in the picture. It’s not really their fault this happens to so many of them today, and the advice they get is mostly useless or worse. But empathizing with them doesn’t make me any more interested in having sex with them.
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When I was 15 or 16 I was in total love (teenage lust) with this girl named Sarah. I did everything in the AFC handbook to get with this girl – played friend after a LJBF rejection, wrote to her, called her all the friggin’ time, etc. I got the “I’m not ready for a relationship now” jive right before she got the hot monkey sex from my best friend Derek. He was the Bad Boy and she couldn’t get enough of him even after he’d dumped her, and I of course played right along. Flash forward to when I was 22. I had gotten my shit together, I was in the gym religiously, I played in a very popular band in the area and I was walking through the outdoor halls of the college I was at when I hear some girl’s voice say “Rollo, hey!” I shit you not I looked around and I looked right past her at first wondering who was calling for me. Then she says, “Hey it’s me Sarah.” I look down, and sitting on this bench is this 300+lbs land monster with the barely recognizable face of this girl I’d obessed over about 6 years earlier. I was floored. Apparently she’d gone through rehab for cocaine and ballooned after it because she replaced the drug with food. For the first time in my life I was speechless.
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When a woman calls you a pig the correct reply is: “Oink?”
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Corollary:
If she allows herself to become fat, she isn’t that much into sex anyway.
Evidence:
“Older” women who stay thin and in shape are voracious for, and excellent at, banging.
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Do some guys really think they can change around a woman’s lifestyle ?
Think about it, if you were so alpha and she knew how important it was to you that she stay in shape….
she wouldn’t have gotten fat in the first place.
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Anyone who thinks they can “alpha” their girlfriend or wife into losing weight is in for a rough time.
I regrettably have recent experience with this ordeal.
We here know that women are highly skilled at blame, rationalization, and deflection. This is how they treat the fat issue too.
Just try and hint to your girlfriend that she needs to drop 20+ pounds, and see what happens. She, of course, will not acknowledge gentle hints in the least, so you are forced to kick it up a notch. Once you do that, all the blubbering fury of hell is unleashed on you, and a huge chorus of hefty “you go girl” cheerleaders and magazine articles back her all the way to the pantry.
Society as a whole (manginas and feminists) is completely harsh on any man who openly criticizes his partner’s weight or implies that she needs to do something about it. Just watch Dr. Phil sometimes – you will see him shaming and lecturing the MAN who dares complain that his wife has doubled in weight.
I have tried and tried to be a good man, to pay more attention to what’s inside, and overlook slight imperfections. NO MORE.
Fat women are just not worth it, because not only do they embarrass you in public and fail to be sexy for you, but they have tons of mental issues that go along with their fatness and their precious self-esteem – and you are ALWAYS going to take the false blame for their flagging self-esteem. “If he only treated me like I was beautiful, I would have higher self-esteem and lose the weight” she blubbers, and Oprah says “hear hear dear it’s okay cry on momma’s shoulder, that bad man won’t hurt you anymore”.
I have concluded that the only safe way to go from here on out is to do as others have recommended – insist that any girl I date already had a fitness regimen long before I came along, and has that sense of internal pride that would never allow her to gain much weight. If she busts on fat chicks now and then, it’s a sure sign she is repulsed by it.
But even that’s not enough, you need to also look at her mother and sister’s weight. You need to look for signs like large calves or upper arms.
Putting the pimp hand down on your woman may work to keep her from gaining weight AFTER she has already been on a lifelong fitness regimen, but I assure you it will NOT make a girl who has already gained the weight lose it out of respect for you. She will instead rebel with everything she’s got. Then, after you dump her for being too fat, only then will she get her ass into the gym for 3 months to try and land the next guy and repeat the whole cycle.
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Dude, like wtf are you DOING dating a fat bitch?
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Another angle is that if you only date chicks who have an existing fitness regimen, then you can monitor that. If they ever stop it or decrease it, you can raise the issue then, well before she actually gets fat. At that point it’s not such a touchy issue yet. Also, you can justly leave her before she gains weight, based on the fact that she quit going to the gym, and therefore stopped caring what you thought of her.
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Firepower,
He who engages in an LTR eventually finds himself dating a fat chick. Unless he’s Sting, apparently.
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the girl in the photo looks like she was always “big boned.” Any guy looking to marry should marry the skinniest, frailest chick he can find, and maybe she’ll turn out normal after the wedding.
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@ College Grad
@Extinguish
@Legion
“I wonder how many yards you’d get if you lined up all the penises shes had in her mouth?
Every time I think an LTR would be nice I remind myself of that thought.”
Fine points all but permit me to direct your attention to the butthex musings of a certain GBFM.
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Begby,
Never “date” a girl that does not workout almost daily… and has been doing so for years. It’s really simple.
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Anyone who thinks they can “alpha” their girlfriend or wife into losing weight is in for a rough time.
I regrettably have recent experience with this ordeal.
We here know that women are highly skilled at blame, rationalization, and deflection. This is how they treat the fat issue too.
yep. that’s why it’s important to date someone who works out regularly, to continuously monitor for any changes in her workout schedule, and to let her know from the very beginning in no uncertain terms that if she gets fat, the door will hit her fat ass on the way out.
it is not a request. it is the law.
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“yep. that’s why it’s important to date someone who works out regularly, to continuously monitor for any changes in her workout schedule, and to let her know from the very beginning in no uncertain terms that if she gets fat, the door will hit her fat ass on the way out.
it is not a request. it is the law.”
Like many other things I’ve learned on this blog, I wish I had listened to my inner voice abou this fifteen years ago, instead of listening to the voices of all the feminists in my life.
Finally learned the lesson. If I can’t see her ab muscles, no-go. Which also means I’ll be going for chicks 15 years younger than me from now on.
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i’ve unwittingly dated bulimic women before. in some ways bulimia is even more insidious than fatfuckness. it’s easy to recognize a fat girl but you can’t always spot a bulimic simply by looking at her, because they often look normal. often you won’t find out until much later.
red flags:
– she eats twice as much as you and excuses herself to go to the bathroom after the meal is over, every time
– worn enamel on her teeth due to purging (not easy to spot)
– constant bad breath (from tooth decay and gastrointestinal imbalance)
– abnormally rapid and noticeable weight fluctuations (this you can generally see, but only after knowing her for some amount of time)
– depression
if george sodini put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between a bulimic girl and a chubster and death was not really an option, i would take the chubster.
with the fat girl, at least getting her to lose weight and get in shape would be a realistic possibility without bringing out the big guns. but it is nearly impossible to get a bulimic (or anorexic) to become healthy without getting a psychologist involved to address the serious underlying psychological problems.
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Lets see…….feminist entitlement attitude, rampant hypergamy, a society that encourages female promiscuity, atrocious divorce laws, and the propensity for women to turn into WHALES after marriage? Where can I sign up for that?
How many nails need to get hammered into the coffin before American men realize that they are searching for a species of woman who went extinct in this country 40 years ago?
Really, are guys that dense to believe that they are getting a fair deal when they settle down with an American woman?
I’m not really one to talk because I held out as long as I could. I spent the better part of 35 years trying to keep faith in the idea that one day, when I felt that I was ready to settle down, that I might be able to find a woman with similar goals that would make a decent long term partner.
When I sit back and think about it, the fact that I never settled down probably had as much to do with the fact that the women were damaged goods as the need for me to sow my oats.
I think it has probably been at least two years since I have met a woman that I believed had even an ounce of marriage potential. I’m at a point now where I have no qualms about educating my (mostly male) friends about why American chicks are worthless for anything but meaningless sex, and that as soon as my business is taken care of in the states I plan to travel extensively to countries that are known to produce women who want to be women, and not some aggressive, loud mouthed, drunken man-wannabe with tits.
I haven’t told my family yet. I’m sure that even though they won’t say it to my face, the prevailing attitude will be that I “failed” in the mating game in the US so I have to resort to doing what losers do to find a woman. Never mind the fact that I COULD have been married half a dozen times…….any guy claiming that he rejects American women MUST be the reject.
I don’t give a damn. I will be in my early 40’s but able to pass for my early 30’s. I will have a business that will generate a small fortune in semi-passive cash flow in the US which will equal a king’s ransom in most of the countries I wish to visit. I will be able to see amazing sights and meet new people. And best of all I won’t have to deal with American bitches anymore.
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@ Begby
Um yeah, or me.
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@Good Luck Chuck
I’m planning a business in South America to help out nice guys like you find the woman of your dreams.
A nice, feminine girl, in good shape, who wants a family, and who wants to care for you and love you.
Yes, they still exist. But it’s difficult to find and identify them. (sound familiar?) I can help.
But I’d give it 5-10 years (at most) before they’re all gone.
Don’t underestimate the power of American toxic culture to screw up women all over the world.
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Get thee to Jenny Craig, wench!
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Chuck,
Finding a girl worth being serious about can take years, but they are out there… even in America. An acquaintance of mine just got married about a little over a year ago.
His girl is sexy, very feminine and very low mileage… She just turned 26 and he is 33. I saw them about a month ago and she’s still thin and he’s still happy.
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@Good Luck Chuck:
I had your experiences and did what you did. I lived abroad for about 23 years. My wife is Ukrainian, hot and reminds me to get my morning blow job before work. She keeps a spotless house and is sweet to me all the time. It takes some time and effort but the rewards are worth it.
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Evil Alpha-
I don’t doubt that they exist, however-
1) They are VERY few and far between. I’m tired of wading through piles of garbage.
2) I have worked diligently for more than a decade to build a knowledge and resources that are worth millions. Prenups and offshore trusts are great, but I’m not taking a chance on getting taken to the cleaners when my woman decides that I am yesterday’s news. I seriously think I would put a bullet in my head if that were to happen to me.
I know that most guys have a lot invested in the idea that they are stuck in the US, but I’m not one of those guys. Would I rather have the option to stick around? Sure. There are plenty of things I like about the states. But at the same time I am a traveler and an adventurer at heart and I am almost at a point in my life where I have the ability to break the few remaining chains that are holding me down, so it isn’t a stretch for me to pick up and live in another country.
Until last year around this time I was tied to a business with a physical location, expensive inventory, and all the bullshit that goes along with that. Throw in a bunch of rental properties and I wasn’t able to go anywhere. I now have a business that I can run from anywhere in the world. I don’t have to physically touch the products that I sell- they will eventually go from the factory that manufactures them for me to a distribution center that warehouses them and ships them to wholesale and retail customers around the world.
All of this means that I have not only the desire but also the means to live a relatively carefree life abroad. The women play a role in deciding where I will go but ultimately they are only one piece of the puzzle.
The way I see it I have two options. I can stay in the states and play the baller role again with a pimp ass house and a bunch of expensive toys, burning through $150 grand a year while I continue to fuck a string of women who bring me little satisfaction beyond cracking a load on their back, or I can sell all my shit and go live like a king on $30k a year in South America, Eastern Europe, or Asia, eating delicious food, seeing the sights, and cavorting with beautiful 20 something women who actually care about being feminine and attractive to men.
What would you do if you were me?
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Tyrone=
I have yet to hear of a guy who has regretted the decision to move abroad.
I have also been fortunate enough to have had a taste of Eastern Europe. It was amazing. As I made my way back to the states I felt the mojo being sucked out of me. When I stepped off the plane in DC or wherever I connected from, I immediately felt like an anonymous monkey whose sole purpose on earth is to dance for the entertainment of all of the entitled princesses. It was at that moment that it dawned on me that there might be more to life than grinding out the rest of my life in the good ole US of A.
Thanks for the encouragement, BTW,
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I second @Macho Camacho’s statement that you are going to have to move fast if you want an 18-28 year old hottie who isn’t feminist anywhere in the world.
Don’t be putting things off for 5 years. Move now.
Feminism is moving fast. It has taken over entire East European countries which are now as bad as the UK in terms of bad attitudes and entitlement. It is moving so fast that I believe GBFM when he talks about an Illuminati conspiracy for one world government.
It is already the case that an EE or Russian woman who speaks excellent English is lost to American or British feminism. She’d be understanding what’s being said on CNN instead of what’s being said on more male-friendly media back home.
In the comments of the recent Business Week article on Mail Order Brides, someone claiming to be a Russian woman in Moscow, who says she is young, declared that “we Russian women want feminism and we would never date a man more than 10 years older”. Sadly, I think her post was genuine (although outright feminists are still rare in Russia).
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That said, its possible to find non-feminists in the west still. In the US they tend to be in the areas like the Rocky Mountains and Alaska where the male:female ratio is too high (it should not be higher than 95/100) and where too many really bright 18 year olds move away from (to Seattle, California, DC, Chicago or NYC).
The Deep South wasn’t bad for women, in my experience, except for Texas. I never had the chance to spend too much time there.
The bottom line is that you not only need a preponderance of non-feminist women in a given area, you need to have the ratio of males to females to be lower than 95/100.
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There are still lots of non-feminist women in NE Asia; Japan not so much, however.
Korea and China aren’t far behind.
Alas, both places are also filled with non-feminist women who are Hypergamous in the extreme and who see men as meal tickets – consummately pragmatic.
So there’s a plus and a minus. In any case, feminism is a solid social trend in both. 3rd-wave feminism, not so much, but something akin to second-wave, yes
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My experiences and plans nearly mirror those of Good Luck Chuck.
Late thirties, business owner, tired of holding out for the needle in the haystack, severing the last remaining ties to the US. I have enough game and looks to get laid any time I really want to, but the motivation has been very low lately due to the low quality of American women. The “good girls” that I do find seem to be looking for a SWPL Herb who has no problem being a lifelong beast of burden.
I am thinking Eastern Europe, and am learning to speak Russian. However, South America holds some interest as well.
Was originally planning to meet a great potential wife in one of these places and bring her back to the states to start a family. Now, I am reconsidering that option in favor of remaining in a foreign country and gaming women indefinitely, on the premise that she will start to spoil the minute she gets to the US.
I would love to hear more details and experiences from people who have exercised this escape plan. Has anyone here been with an EE woman for longer than a couple years? Do they get fat and bitchy?
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Gorb,
How is your French? Mine is rusty, and I believe you were in France?
I am wondering how you managed to learn French and became proficient enough to work there, not to mention courting women.
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@Michel
Gorb,
How is your French? Mine is rusty, and I believe you were in France?
I am wondering how you managed to learn French and became proficient enough to work there, not to mention courting women.
My ex had a minor in French and I studied it in college (a few classes); I’ve always loved languages. German was a lot easier, but French wasn’t too bad.
My French was pretty rusty, but living there for a year basically cured that. I can work in French, more or less.
As far as picking up women, just don’t pretend to be local – no advantage in that. Be a foreigner. A locally competent foreigner, but a foreigner.
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@Timothy – that high school crush of yours was probably an evil cunt to betas back when she was hot. It’s so satisfying to read stories about former hotties turned into fat pigs. I hope they feel every bit as awful as they made others feel. Not so fun now is it bitch?
itsme – dunno if anyone else posted it but I think this might be the thread you’re referring to. Former hotties turned into fatties.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=1699769&page=1
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I suppose some guys might be able to find eternal happiness in having a stream of decent looking women to bang, but I have a feeling that a lot of guys are lying to themselves thinking that they will be content to play the field for the rest of their lives.
After you have had sex with a dozen or so women you realize that they are interchangeable when it comes to looks. You begin to appreciate women who bring some femininity to the table. My last g/f was hot, sweet, and girly, but despite the fact that she was raised with her ex colonel single father, our wonderful feminist society managed to turn her into an emotionally unstable pot smoking hippie with an alcohol problem. I look at her modeling pics to this day and my jaw hits the floor. Why would she squander her mating value on a slew of bad habits? My guess is that it is because society told her that it’s “ok to be whoever she wanted to be”.
Part of the human experience for women AND men is to connect with a member of the opposite sex on a deeper level. In order for a man to click with a woman the woman needs to compliment his masculinity. American women have no desire to fill this role. They were taught that expressing their feminine virtues would lead them to a life of servitude. Of course science tells us that third wave feminism has made women more miserable than ever, but try telling that to a woman. Their brains can’t comprehend cause and effect, so absent strong male leadership they devolve into hedonistic children who conform to societal expectations, even at the cost of their own happiness and even reproductive success.
I’m done with it man. I’ll be 40 this year. I have managed to build a rare business that will allow me to leverage my intellectual property and product creations into a steady stream of cash that can be managed primarily from anywhere in the world. All of my real estate has been liquidated. The only thing keeping me around after this year would be family, and I figure I’ll start out in central America, so I won’t be more than a 3 hour $250 plane ride away, so that won’t be an issue. I have a business partner that I can trust who doesn’t seem to share my desire to live abroad, so anything that needs to be done here in the states he can manage.
All of you who choose to remain stateside- I wish you luck.
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Just say no to Haagen Das Ass!
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“Some guys like the larger women, including rich guys.
A heavily pregnant Penny Lancaster looks ready to drop as she lunches with Rod Stewart”
Puhlease. Penny was fine and superfit when Rod got with her. Being pregnant is a decent excuse for being fat.
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A girl I was dating was plump when I met her, but had a good hip to waist ratio and cute face. I figured I’d slim her up. She ate like a bird in my presence, but as I saw her gain weight I kicked her out of my small apartment and told her to not come back until she had lost 10 pounds.
I capitulated that night, as she claimed she’d be unlikely to loose the weight if alone, and would balloon out instead, and I’d never see her again, and she tearfully promised to go on a starvation diet.
She wound up losing all excess weight. Forty pounds, if I recall. Before she chubbed out she had carried her extra weight well – little in her belly, and spread out nicely, but once I started to see fat knees it was embarrassing, and game over.
Yes, you can get a girl to lose weight. If you know and she knows where the door is.
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@Begby
I did what you’re thinking about 10 years ago. It never crossed my mind to go back to the US. Reading this blog where the host suggests that many of his readers should be satisfied with 7s and 8s, it only reminds me of the lowered expectations American men over 30 are advised/told to have (and forced to have). For himself, the host has never, for instance, written a post about gaming Georgetown students on the campus library (admittedly, he’d be crazy to publish it if he does meet women there because the campus feminists would be all over that like ants on honey). If the US were a non-feminist country, educated foreign men would be getting off planes and heading to Georgetown University to meet their potential brides.
Imagine getting off a plane and, from the first moment, your realistic expectations for a date jump by 1 to 2 points.
Also note: I’ve calculated that you have to make more than 8 grand per month on the US East Coast to have the same purchasing power as 3 grand per month outside the so-called First (Feminist) World.
So, if you make 6 grand per month in New York, ask your boss if you can have your salary cut in half for the privilege of working remotely.
It also never crossed my mind to actually marry anyone despite being in relationships that lasted 2 to 7 years (with overlap) where the woman’s main goal was to marry.
All women tend to get fat. But I’m not afraid to tell a woman “You need to get to the gym to make your butt tighter”. That direct method has always resulted in the woman getting on a sports program.
Except my current gf has gotten fatter over Christmas and I’ve yet to deliver the “you need to” quip.
Thanks to this post for the reminder.
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macho camacho / hux / whoever —
I’m planning a business in South America to help out nice guys like you find the woman of your dreams.
heh. there’s certainly money to be made on their backs, but that ain’t the way to do it.
doy fé porque es mi caso, he promovido la proactividad de las chicas, para sacarlas de la pobreza a través de varios proyectos empresariales … jeje, sabes, ¿no?
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A bachelor is a guy who is footloose and fiancé-free.
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nice……………………………………………………………………………..^_^b
nice……………………………………………………………………………..^_^b
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@Begby, @Jerry
Let’s be perfectly clear. It is NOT, repeat NOT, easy to meet a GOOD woman in Eastern Europe or Central/South America.
Yes, there are lots of really smoking hot women in those places. But you are in an ENTIRELY different cultural mix.
No doubt there are many loose hotties in EE, Asia, and Latin American who will gladly boink for a good time with you and your money.
Unfortunately, this is not the sort of girl you’d want for a GF, LTR or marriage.
Sorry, friends, but THOSE sort of women (the AWESOME wife-material kind) and closely guarded and protected. As you swing into the foreign country of your choice, you will NOT meet these sorts of women. You will meet women who want to go to the States. Ask yourself – is that a good thing or a bad thing? Yeah, I thought so.
You not only need to speak the language of the country you’re interested in, you need to know how the culture works. If you don’t, you will, no doubt, GET PLAYED.
It pains me to no end to see post’er after post’er here rave about the “all” the wonderful foreign women there are out there. You are on crack. A hamster is a hamster is a hamster.
I’m not saying it’s impossible to meet a good foreign woman. Guys do it successfully everyday. But then they blow it. They bring here to the States, spoil her rotten, and then get dismayed when she turns into an American psycho-fiend.
Women are fundamentally the same wherever you go. Which means that, by and large, they are ALL insane.
To find a sane one, you will need to appreciate, in much more depth, the context in which your hottie lives.
You will also need the help of God. Because they are that difficult to find.
Finding a needle in a haystack here in the U.S.? Virtually impossible.
Finding a needle in a haystack by expat’ing? Less impossible. Which means it’s possible. Which means you should ex-pat.
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Wow. Too many typos.
My main point is that the TRULY good foreign women, the kind you would want for your wife, are closely guarded and protected. (most obviously, by their extended family).
They are NOT upfront at the airport waiting for your arrival. They are blended into the background, part of the cultural paint, and they’re NOT easy to meet.
In other words, your foreign hottie is most likely NOT at the “meet-and-greet” set up by your dating agency overseas.
She is more likely the incredibly cute, shy girl in the flower dress waiting for the dirty $0.35 public transport bus so she can go visit her grandmother.
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@Macho Camacho
Excellent point.
But misdirected because I say what you say all the time, while myself speaking the local languages and being, for more than 10 years, immersed in the cultures.
You seem to have a preference for South America, which is fine. I might want to travel more to that area, but I could honestly stay put the rest of my life in EE and be happy.
Neither of the two serious LTRs I’ve been in in this part of the world (overlapped for a long while) were/are women who wanted to leave for the States. They are the type you just mentioned. Both what I could never have dreamed of.
But I’m still not dumb enough to get married and I won’t give up on MLTRs.
You may have misunderstood when I got piqued with the link to the Marie Claire Mail Order Bride article (where the feminist who wrote it has erased and blocked all comments). On that subject I stick up for men’s rights, but not because I personally use these dating sites (I meet too many women through friends or pick up).
Any man should be royally pissed that a US law is on the books (IMBRA) which is the exact equivalent of a US federal agent walking up to you on a foreign beach as you are approaching a hottie on a beach blanket and saying “You can’t talk to that foreign woman without having her sign an affidavit first that she read your background check.”
So no, I am the polar opposite of the kind of guy who has a scammer waiting at the airport and wish I could reach out more to warn those guys not to bother.
Recently, I got a thankful email from an American who was about to spend thousands of dollars on a trip to meet women from bridal agencies. My advice stopped him in his tracks. I told him he had to move overseas first, then meet the women and NEVER bring them back to the States.
On the subject of Mail Order Brides, I could write a book (half of which has already been written here in the comments section). 😉
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@Good Luck Chuck
What would you do if you were me?
I wouldn’t go all in that’s for sure, but maybe you feel as if you are running out of time or patience.
The thought of leaving America… not just vacationing… once crossed my mind but I instead chose to taste test. Maybe you should too.
Living in the following 3 faux international places allowed me to use my only language…English, to see my family and friends and of course to sample.
A) Upper West Coast – Asian Chicks
B) Suburban/Rural College Town – Church going coeds (South American Lite)
C) The Beach – Eastern Europeans
I know 1st hand that the places above have girls that will make good wives. ..so I decided not to leave.
However if you still are hell bent on going abroad… don’t forget to stop in New Zealand. You won’t find a wife, but it may be one of the best places on the planet to sow your oats.
My favorite two things
1. A Kiwi 6 dress size is a size 4 over here. NZ clothing manufactures don’t enable women’s weight gain by playing number tricks.
2. Low feminist sexuality. Coming to a man’s room at 1am means “yes” in Auckland. NZ women aren’t entitled to pretend otherwise like they can in American cities.
Even crazies that did try a feminist smear with false accusations would find it ineffective as no names are publicized unless convicted… though the local feminazis and white knighters are trying to change this.
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I once got invited over for lunch by an acquaintance who owned a mail order bride business. A young woman arrived and was given an expensive fruit basket and asked to pose for a picture with it in her hands while she smiled.
But she was repulsed by the man who had sent it and wanted nothing to do with him. She tried to do the “right thing” by refusing the gift.
So they told her jokes to get her to smile as they thrust the gift basket into her arms, until a photo was made that looked like she was happily accepting it.
I got to keep the basket myself.
The idiot who had spent money to buy a total stranger gifts was throwing his money into the wind. Of course he never got a date and, if he had, she would have been bribed to go in the presence of an “interpreter”.
Both PUA and MRA concepts are slowly seeping into the “let’s marry foreign women” communities online.
But it seems some guys want to be scammed.
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@Jerry
Excellent points, and yes, I understand you’re a pro who “gets” it.
What I see everyday is this: American guys, desperate for any shred of female attention, head to foreign country X (usually it’s the Philippines, Costa Rica, or Russia). They step off the plane and see shapely, feminine girls with long hair and who smile easily. The girls seem “breezy,” and exotic.
American guy proceeds to flip out. As in a kid with a new-found $20 bill in a candy store. “Beta fool” quickly splurges, adores, wines-and-dines, and otherwise drools all over said foreign hottie. Does it matter that she’s a single mom? Of course not. She’s hot. Does it matter that, at times, she seems a little distant? Of course not. Why? Because she’s hot. And she’s talking to me! Can’t everyone see this hot girl is talking to ME?!!?
I am NOT exaggerating. This happens every day with American guys in foreign lands. Now, in the defense of American guys, they are so damned thirsty after years in the Ameri-hell desert, that you can hardly blame a guy for gulping down his drink….
But it will lead to disaster. Because the guy is not thinking clearly. Just as betas do not think clearly here in the U.S. – The little head does the thinking and the women are repulsed – with great disgust. How DARE you wave your little beta pocket-knife at MOI? I will only talk to Alpha Samurai Swords, that SWEEP me off my feet! Don’t you realize I’m a L’Oreal girl and that I’m WORTH it? Off with your head, beta slave!!
So, in sum, it’s NOT easy to ANY girl WORTH dating ANYWHERE on the planet.
Move to your target country and live there. Get to know the ropes. Then, you MAY have a chance.
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That was supposed to be:
So, in sum, it’s NOT easy to *M-E-E-T *
ANY girl WORTH dating ANYWHERE on the planet.
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In the spirit of *free* information from the Internet,
(especially for decent American guys suffering in Ameri-hell) here’s my list of countries to go to (in no particular order):
1. Cebu, Philippines (lots of American guys have ex-pat’ed there; girls are gorgeous; do NOT bring a Philippina back to the States EVER; read up on the ‘Net why this is so; marry her, settle down THERE, and count your blessings)
2 . San Jose, Costa Rica (a little over-run b/c there is an established American community there, but if you’re willing to venture into the poorer neighborhoods, you could find a good one; San Jose can get poor VERY quickly; you would be shocked; crime is also an issue; better yet, head OUT of the capital to meet the more rural (better) girls;
3. Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic; Dominican girls are AMAZING if you can find a good one; they will treat you like a KING; I broke up with a Dominican girl once (for complicated reasons) and I still think about her from time to time (with beautiful memories); like San Jose, better to get OUT of the capital to find better wife-material; think Santiago or Higuey. Stay OUT of the resort areas. Do not speak with girls who speak English well.
4. Brazil/Colombia/Ecuador/Peru; you’d better speak Spanish; don’t worry about Portuguese for Brazil; if you speak Spanish, you’ll get by; and the Brazilian chicks will adore you for it; Brazilian girls are wild and probably won’t make good wives, but again, you could get lucky and find a good one; same for Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru, with cultural differences to appreciate in each one. Again, do NOT speak to girls in these countries who speak English well. Also, remember, Lorena Bobbit was an Ecuadoriana. A lot of Latinas are *insanely* jealous and if you try to pull an Alpha move, they will gladly perform genital surgery on you….WITHOUT anesthesia. ALL Latinas are good with a knife; do not forget that.
5. Eastern Europe (Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland); Czech Republic is shot; forget it; Prague is filled with feminist Louis Vuitton hand-bag lovers; you know, the “beautiful people;” you know, the ones both you and God hate; IMHO, Poland is probably your best bet.
6. Asia (I only know Korea and Thailand); girls can be sweet, beautiful, but come with heavy cultural baggage;
Asian women in general can be demanding in a really weird way; they seem sweet and submissive, but if your plans don’t match theirs, they’ll shut down on you. Very bizarre and tough to describe.
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@ Macho Comacho and Jerry
Thanks for the good comments. I think I know the kind of guys you are talking about, but thankfully I’m not one.
I can imagine there are a whole lot of schlubby betas who think they can get good women overseas without changing anything about themselves. I’m sure most of them bring their same beta habits and bad style, and expect that it won’t penalize them with foreign girls because they can make up for it with money.
I think I’m different for a few reasons. First, I would never use an agency or meet a girl online. All my meeting women would be done face to face in a nightspot or through day game. I would also never use money or gifts to woo a woman. I am quite aware that women are pretty mercenary wherever you go, and I would go in with the plan to be even MORE alpha than I am in the States. The problem with being a SuperAlpha here in the US is that most women won’t go for it unless you are also rich and famous (at least the ultra-feminists in the SF Bay Area where I live).
Also, I plan to move to the country for at least a few months, rather than just visiting. I plan to have a near-fluent grasp of the language. I plan to avoid tourist spots and spend at least some time doing the things locals would do, so I may meet better women.
Finally, I don’t think that I would marry or bring the girl to the states even if she was my dream woman. Ten years ago it would have been dangerous for me to expose myself to that type of temptation, but today I am too jaded about women to ever believe that they could remain slim, pleasant, and faithful for more than a decade.
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@Begby
You’re wise beyond your years.
Your best line –
“I will be even MORE Alpha with foreign girls than here in the States.”
That’s the mindset you need going in. Also remember, the golden rule is to spend money DOING things with her, not spending money on her.
Big difference.
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@Begby
In other words, you NEVER buy her presents or lavish any kind of praise on her. Let HER buy you presents.
The way you show your interest is by DOING things with HER. (and obviously, this involves YOU paying, but not directly on her.)
Example: (in broken Portuguese): Hey, I’m going to the top of Cristo Redentor/Sugar Loaf/Ipanema this afternoon. Wanna come?
Example: (in broken Spanish): I’m going to Machu Picchu tomorrow. Wanna be my guide?
Example: (in broken Thai, or probably English) What’s the best Thai beer? Where can I find it?
You get the idea. She accompanies YOU and YOUR adventure. That’s how you show her you interest.
It’s really universal. Women want “in” on men’s plans. Women hate the guts of men who want “in” on their plans.
Sorry. That’s the way it is.
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That’s exactly it- American guys have to lower their expectations if they want to settle down. Screw that. I have worked my ass off since I was in my mid 20’s. I have VALUE. I can stay around and have meaningless sex with women who fail in most areas to make me FEEL like a man, or I can travel a bit and meet women who are truly FEMININE.
Last night I was watching the game at a bar. Two seats down this chick is talking to a couple of guys.
Sucking down beer, chain smoking, and rambling on in her gravely voice about who knows what, blah, blah, blah. Twice she tried to lean over and draw me into the conversation. The second time when she asked me something about the game, she followed up by asking “You aren’t annoyed that we are talking during the game, are you?” to which I replied “Actually, I wasn’t really paying any attention”.
Of course this gravely voiced, chain smoking barfly isn’t exactly your typical American woman, but she’s not exactly rare either.
What really stood out to me was her voice. That raspy drone that borders on being masculine. I started to think about the voices of so many American chicks I know, and began to compare them to the voices of the foreign girls I have met. Night and day difference. American chicks are like dykes, lowering their voices to signal dominance.
Think JWOW from Jersey Shore. All of the hair extensions and fake nails in the world can’t make up for that guttural voice. It’s disgusting.
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Superb observation, GLC.
I hadn’t thought of that, but you’re right.
The air we just breathe is polluted with toxic feminism. I doubt women consciously lower their voice. They just do it because they “all want to be guys.”
One guy summed it up perfectly to me. He said, “It’s all penis envy. They all want to be men.”
He’s spot on. Women have got the ENVY thing done pat. Guys usually don’t struggle much with envy. If another guy makes it good, he’s quick to point out, “Hey, good for him. He worked for it.”
Women don’t think that way. They think, “Oh, wow, he’s rich. How do I get a piece (meaning: ALL) of that?
I tell you, they’re all friggin’ 15 year-olds. Every last one of them.
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So, in sum, it’s NOT easy to *M-E-E-T *
ANY girl WORTH dating ANYWHERE on the planet.
truer words were never spoke.
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Macho-
That’s the gist of the problem. Instead of assuming a feminine role and using that as leverage to acquire resources, women now wish to acquire resources in a masculine way. Of course we all know that women lack the physical, mental, and emotional strength to do this without someone giving them concessions, but try they do, nonetheless.
Women want to be men but they only want the perks.
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I remember getting the “If I ever gain weight will you still love me” shit test from one of my exes. No self respecting man would allow that to happen without repercussions, so I think I responded with something along the lines of “I doubt it”.
Good Luck Chuck,
You should have said, “Of course I’d still love you, baby — but I will miss you.”
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@Good Luck Chuck:
I agree with your comments about AW voices. I find them irritating as well.
I own property abroad and have been all over Europe. The best women are Ukrainian IMHO. Most Russians and Expats who have been to both places will agree. FSU women are all looking for a high quality guy and all of them will ignore the age difference if you have game and skills with women. You have to realize that about 65% of the men who seek foreign brides are not worthy of them in an absolute sense. Its also best to live there a while if you can swing it. My wife is 17 years younger than her and I was introduced to her through her best friend, who has hang ups about dating older men. My wife had never dated anyone my age but it has never once been a problem.
My favorite answer to the “will you still love me if I gain weight question is- “will you still love me if I quit working?”
BTW, my wife’s best friend is still available. She’s 34, very well educated and speaks English, German, and Italian as well as Russian and Ukrainian. She also lives in Rome.
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David Rockefeller-
Classic!
Tyrone-
My plan is to start out close to home (Central America, probably Costa Rica) and do some extended stays, maybe 3 weeks, to get the feel for whether or not I might like to stay longer. Once I figure out where I might like to spend more time I will probably go back for an extended stay.
I could definitely spend some time in Mexico as well. The women are less appealing, but the food and tequila could keep me around for awhile.
I love to do Asia at some point, but despite the fact that I love Asian women, I don’t see myself settling down with one. Again, I LOVE Thai and Vietnamese food. The culture isn’t as appealing to me, but I guess some concessions have to be made.
Eastern Europe is very appealing to me due to the history and culture, not to mention the stunning women. The big issue is the distance from home and language. I don’t speak spanish but I’ve lived around spanish speakers for over 20 years so it’s not going to be difficult for me to pick that up. It will also come in handy since it is right up there with english as a primary world language so I will be able to use it in business.
As far as EE countries go, I’ve heard that Ukraine is still pretty rough. I absolutely loved Georgia but I’m not sure if I could live there. From what I understand Ukraine is pretty similar?
I have heard great things about Bulgaria. Love to see Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Hungary as well.
Damn, I got my work cut out for me. I better get crackin’ if I want to make even a dent in my list!
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Old joke ….
How do you turn a fox into an elephant ?
Marry it.
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Since classroom advice is different from field advice, let me clarify that marriage agencies can be theoretically as great for an individual traveler as they once were but one now has to really know what one is doing with the slim pickings now.
10-15 years ago men could buy a woman’s home address and phone number for $15. I would fly to Moscow and then telegram a woman or even ring the Domofon (intercom) and meet an enthusiastic family as a complete stranger. The whole setup was a sexual bananza because so few other Americans were flying anywhere (betas and gammas just spent years writing paper snail mail letters via a slow postal system).
Americans are no longer so exciting and exotic now (and we’re also not seen as wealthier by those whose parents own apartments in central Moscow that are valued at over a million dollars).
So now the pickings are slim and the best looking women are simply not online (mostly). Desperate agencies have clung to US feminist ideology about “protecting women from sex offenders” to try to con lower betas and gammas into thinking the woman they are corresponding with through the agency “is too frightened to give out her personal contact information until she gets to know you for a few months” (a few hundred dollars worth of translation and chat services where the man is really chatting with Boris in the back room).
You can still win under these conditions. Just last year I got into a great STR with a 19 year old via such an agency. But you have to follow these rules:
1) After writing a free letter to a woman, do NOT spend any money reading her reply. Call the agency (if no human can be reached forget dealing with them) and tell them you are not the average fool they deal with.
If you can convince them that you know how agencies cheat men and how you have no intention of being scammed, they will respect you. They may then agree to sell you the woman’s direct contact info for $50.
2) After purchasing her contact information, get to know her directly and go visit her. If she’s not serious, demand your money back. They will give it if you threaten to write lots of stuff on the Internet bad about them.
If the agency refuses to help you directly meet the woman for less than $100 (paid after they succeed in making the meeting happen) don’t deal with them and publish your bad experience online for Googlebots to index.
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I meant the online agency pickings were slim. Moscow is still a mecca for beautiful non-feminist women.
With agencies, simply never agree to use any of their services other than direct purchase of contact information. Period. There’s a 2 out of 3 chance that the woman is not the one communicating with you otherwise.
Regarding scammers: In the real world you often can’t just toss them aside and they are often only “bad” because they want to take advantage of overly-chivalrous American betas. I have no sympathy for chivalrous American men.
They are often well connected in their communities and they will sure as heck teach you all about the best restaurants and other venues when you arrive in a region. Just use them instead of letting them use you. Get them to introduce you to the kind of women you want and reward them $30 for the effort. I’ve described how they can have a lavish meal from you but only if its at your place and they’ve found some gorgeous friends to party at your place as well, (where the scammer has been encouraged to say “its hot here’ and strip to her panties and encourage the other women to strip to their panties as well). Believe me, this works.
Regarding chivalry, I’ll show how that can work against a man especially when he’s worried that women will disrespect a man (think he’s beta) if he connects the idea of money directly with sex:
About 4 years ago I was in Kiev for a few days and a 9.5 I’d met on the Internet to came to visit with her friend as security. Before we got back to my rented apartment she went into a store and pressured me to buy her $150 worth of clothes.
From past good experience with women met online I could expect romance and sex soon, so I went ahead and bought the clothes. I had never met a scammer before (I had been lucky). Naturally she did not respect me for what I’d done (because of where her head was at). We never ended up having any kind of sexual activity. Stupidly I didn’t dare try to say “You owe me sexual activity for that purchase” when I know now that she would have agreed, especially if I had said “let’s leave the clothes at the cash register, go back to my place where you can give me a handjob, and then we’ll come back.”
When dealing with scammers, it is important to go ahead and directly tell them you equate cash with sex with the cash coming after the sex. They will respect that.
Do not put them on a pedestal by thinking they will disrespect you if you crudely put it “Sorry but no money for you unless you put out”. They actually respect guys who say that. Really.
Often the guys who say “its beta to pay for sexual activity” (including lapdances) are setting themselves up to be used by scammers because these guys would then worry that if they connected a gift purchase with sex, this would earn the disrespect of the woman (the definition of beta is to be someone a woman loses respect for because of his behavior).
Don’t worry about that. The opposite happens:
a scammer type woman will disrespect you if you try to act like the money you spend on her is not related to whether she or her friends gives you sexual favors (traditional women are different in this equation but even they should not be put on pedestals as one might cynically say that the majority of women have whore fantasies).
If she wants a new winter coat, either totally refuse or tell her at least jokingly that she and 2 of her friends will have to do a striptease for that. Don’t ever give a non-marriage-material woman a lavish gift for nothing because you’re too scared of looking “beta” for asking for something in return. This is an example of where its beta to worry about appearing beta.
The reason why I should have gotten so blunt with that young woman in Kiev and why it is OK for any man to get blunt like that with a woman who asks for a gift too soon, is because they’ve already shown that they are whores by demanding that you lavish money on them before they have become your sexual partner (or at least gotten to the passionate kissing stage). They will respect you for treating them like the whores they are if they jump the gun in asking you for money too soon.
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Jerry + Xsplat
Less believable AND less interesting than a typical Letter to Penthouse Forum
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Sounds like someone is buried deep within the feminist west and doesn’t know what the real world is like. Hopefully its just a western woman looking to discredit competitive scenarios to dating herself.
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The online dating and scammer advice applies to the USA as well, with slight variations.
For instance: don’t write more than a few letters to a local American woman on Match.com before insisting on a meeting. Don’t drag out the correspondence. Its not worth it.
If you know a given American woman is not marriage material, start early on suggesting her friends come with her to your place. Talking like that might shock her, but “Sex and the City” would have prepared her to actually like you better for asking. It’s beta to worry about being seen as a pervert.
You’d be surprised at the number of American women who would agree to visit a couples club with you on the first date.
One just needs to take women off the pedestal, meaning stop assuming that they are as pure as snow.
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The one on the left in the first pic looks like she has some truly spectacular lungs she is hiding under that dress. Now back to your regularly scheduled blahblahblah. . .
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Fuck off with these “scientifically proven” comments. You’re neither a scientist nor competent enough to understand the principals of science.
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“For instance: don’t write more than a few letters to a local American woman on Match.com before insisting on a meeting. Don’t drag out the correspondence. Its not worth it.”
I can’t begin to describe how many times I’ve just cut to the chase and asked for a number or a meeting. Once you do this, the burden is on the chick so you aren’t wasting your time. Amazing how many fledgling email relationships I’ve stopped short!
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Women are women??? To a certain degree, but they are also a product of their environment. Still comes back to being a good judge of character, Just DoNt get played!!!!!! No matter where you are, I prefer women in third world countries. I think they know their place and are happy with that. Now the women I speak with, la vega, dr or st. Elizabeth, Jamaica. Think American women are nuts and don’t want to step foot in America!
Why would you want to bring a women to America to mess them up?? I met a nice Latin lady once and told her I would send her to America if she had a child for me and let me raise the child in the dr. She changed her mind! It all comes back to game gentlemen, I won’t be games here, or abroad.
Abroad is paradise, go enjoy American men. Even if you do get played, better there than here. Eventually you will learn by experience.
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Actually, she looks pretty chunky in the first picture, too.
I can tell just by looking at that first picture that she is heading for the food queen title.
Not every women turns into a hippo after marriage.
A good rule of thumb is to look at her mother. How did she fare over twenty years of marriage?
Also, if she is chunky before the ring goes on, she is going to get real fat afterwards.
Always marry a skinny chick.
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Black, on the real, abroad is a paradise for American women who didn’t trade their estrogen for the feminist koolade too. It can be rough going until one learns the culture, but once one does, it’s smooth sailing.
An American woman should get an native, older female mentor when she goes abroad. If I’d done that, I’d have avoided a lot of misery. Now that I have one, I’m having plenty of fun, but not the wrong kind.
My parents keep asking me when I’m coming home…
Heheheh…
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she looks the same in both pis- fat.
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She was a chubby broad to begin with.
When you fraternize with Asian chicks long enough, the Caucasian ones all seem to be whale-sized in comparison.
And all you indignant fatties, stop giving me the ‘I’m a real woman with real curves’ bullshit. I know where the curves end and where the fat begins. Eat less and move more.
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…or I can sell all my shit and go live like a king on $30k a year in South America …
Pardon, but is this really true?
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@Geographical
Yes. A man can live much better and have higher status on $30k per year in much of South America than he would have on $70k in New York City.
I’ve already done the calculations. You have to be earning at least $80k in New York City to have a similar lifestyle.
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I’m not so sure about things being better abroad. There are cultures where it is accepted that women relax and overeat once they are married. I met my wife in Latin America and she was pretty slim. However, she started gaining weight after we got engaged. Should have read it as a sign of things to come. The wedding certificate was like a license to eat as much as she wanted and her weight ballooned to nearly 300 pounds.
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She looks fat and ugly in both pictures.
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