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Losing A Few Good Ones

January 19, 2011 by CH

Most women want marriage and children. I do not. Given that mutually satisfying and loving sexual relationships have nothing to do with marriage, the game plan of women to get hitched and pregnant can often be postponed for years while their hearts are swaddled in the glow of love. However, it is inevitable that in the course of a life full of marriage-free relationships a few good ones will be lost. As captivating and addictive as I am, I have lost some women to the dictates of their particularly strong attachments to the marriage and kids initiation sequence. I miss them all.

This is a price every ladies man who disavows marriage but who loves women will pay at one time or another. Consider it the cost of doing business. And the loss will never be without pain, as a woman under such circumstances must betray her deepest feelings in order to leave you and pursue her marriage goal anew with another man who is open to the idea.

Blame social conditioning or genetic compulsion, it doesn’t matter. Most women will, after some great time has passed, begin to clamor for an overpriced rock and a legal claim to half of your wealth and property. As I am not one to cave to such ultimatums, they have had to make decisions whether to stay with me on my terms or break it off to find a sucker husband. Some have left, and I am sure to this day we still ache for each other.

And this has hardly anything to do with principle. It is strictly a calculation of self-interest on my part. Modern marriage and kids by their nature tame men and render them less powerfully magnetic than they were as unmarried men. This may be good for molding a new army of drones to serve the perpetual consumption society, but it is bad for relationships. Because female sexuality is designed to respond to masculine power the woman who corrals a man into marriage is condemning herself to fuck a man for whom she has lost a measure of respect and sexual desire.

Marriage makes so little sense that it would take an exceedingly devious woman to bait me into the marriage trap. So far, none have managed the trick, and the few who were devious enough to manage it chose instead to follow my lead or tearfully say their goodbyes.

So I tell you men who have renounced marriage: prepare for loss. It will happen, and you will have to be ready to accept this inevitability.

But there is good news. A nontrivial number of sexy women have no interest in marriage, or are ambivalent about the enterprise. These women, despite media brainwashing to the contrary, do exist, and you can find them. It will require a little more work by you to screen for them, but the effort is worth it. The other strategy which you can employ, and which I not only highly recommend but follow in my own life, is to date young women. The marriage bug doesn’t really start to bite until a woman hits 28 or so, especially in the big cities where peer pressure and status whoring delay the age at which women seriously entertain the prospect of marriage and kids. So you can avoid the hassle of ultimatums altogether by dating early 20s and mid 20s girls.

You can also date washed up cougars who have lost all hope that they’ll get married, but really, why would you want to do that?

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  1. on January 19, 2011 at 11:05 am Gorbachev

    And what is you want to breed?

    Initiates a dilemma.

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  2. on January 19, 2011 at 11:13 am NYCBachelor

    And what is you want to breed?

    Initiates a dilemma.

    F without a condom and pay they childsupport; still cheaper then divorce and less of a soul-killer.

    Alternatively, for those with no moral qualms- cuckholdry.

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  3. on January 19, 2011 at 11:14 am anonymous

    These women, despite media brainwashing to the contrary, do exist, and you can find them.

    they “exist” until age 40, and then painfully resent their decision, and the man they made it with.

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  4. on January 19, 2011 at 11:15 am Broken-Hearted Ladies Man

    Thank you for posting this.

    It could not have come at a better time.

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  5. on January 19, 2011 at 11:16 am walawala

    This is a real Catch 22 situation, women want to find a man to marry but don’t really want to marry the men who want to marry them.

    I went out and had a fun, spontaneous relationship with a girl some years back. Then it all went to pieces because she started demanding marriage and kids.

    We broke up. We got back together provisionally—I said I’d “think about it”…..she said she didn’t want kids…the minute I expressed some interest in getting back together, she threw the kids thing out there again…I balked, we broke up.

    Now…six years later, she’s still single. Surprisingly looks great for her age, looks about 35 or even 32 to her actual 41. Seems no real intention to get married.

    Was all this some sort of ruse?

    Oh…and while we were going out, she decided to start flirting openly with some beta orbiter chump. That lead to the first break-up.

    But after she confessed she was only flirting with him to make me jealous because she didn’t think I liked her enough.

    Do you notice a pattern here? Girls say they want marriage but they crave the sexual freedom of singledom. They only want the guy they’re with to be neutered so they themselves can go a shop and fuck and hang out.

    As for shit tests….don’t get me started.

    The insecurity. The “Do you like me?” question. I answer: “No” and proceed to bang her.

    Days later, she’s demanding to know why I don’t like her and “no means no”…. Finally my non-response: “You’re crazy if you don’t know the answer…”

    Until I discovered game and understood women, I began to think that all this crazy stuff I’ve just written….was serious.

    Now I see it’s just the storm before the next storm that is being with a woman.

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  6. on January 19, 2011 at 11:24 am Frost

    I don’t think those are the only options. What about men who won’t go the marriage/monogamy/diamond/divorce theft route, but still want children? Count me in that category.

    I doubt I’ll ever get tired of chasing young puss, but I also think I’ll feel empty and lonely growing old without a legacy. I’m still young enough that it hasn’t gotten old, but what will I say in five years? Ten? twenty?

    I will always want freedom, fresh meat, and a “hunting” mentality. But I also want 5+ kids and a smart, beautiful, loving woman to raise them. Better yet, I want one woman and a few kids, several times over in my life, or in several different countries.

    Nature compels men to bang lots of women, but it also compels us to elevate some of our children to “family” status, teach them how to live, and leave them the empires we create. Would Genghis Khan have monopolized the human race’s Y chromosomes if he had chosen to peacock instead of grooming his sons to take over their own Khans?

    Lots of PUA’s claim to not want children, that they want to devote their lives to racking up lays. I think that’s a cop-out, an easy way of avoiding dealing with the natural desire to procreate in spite of the horrific state of western marriage law and the unworthiness of 90% of western women.

    I say fuck that. I want it all. Hot sluts, and awesome, well-adjusted kids born and raised by my loving non-wives. I haven’t figured out how to pull it off yet, but thankfully my current barren, meaningless, oversexed existence is still more than enough for this 25-year old…

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  7. on January 19, 2011 at 11:25 am Solvemygirlproblems

    When I was in high school my dream was to get married right out of college at 22 to my first girlfriend, who I would choose through thousands of screening processes.

    Now, my dream is to prolong singledom for as long as possible and to be able to call my future son a pussy because I slept with 10 times as many women as he did at his age

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  8. on January 19, 2011 at 11:40 am Firepower

    Sadly, there is no longer any valid reason for a man to marry.
    I’ve met only 3 women in 4 years who I would even consider bestowing with such an honor.

    The killer is: I truly believe raising a child in this Puss-ocracy we once called America could only bring pain and regret.

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  9. on January 19, 2011 at 11:45 am NYCBachelor

    I also forgot- blast within your one night stands and hope they never find you.

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  10. on January 19, 2011 at 11:47 am Anonymous44

    No guts, no glory. SOMEONE has to have kids. Yes, there is pain. But there is also a lot of pleasure. Avoid marriage, use game to keep “hand” in your relationship, and make sure the kids tie her down, not you. Keep her so busy she has no time to fuck around on you. Police her friendships, so she doesn’t get advice and validation from femicunts that advise her to rape you.

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  11. on January 19, 2011 at 11:56 am Bobby

    Ever notice how a lot of this stuff sounds like “The Dog Whisperer”? Falls in line with the fact that dealing with a woman is often not much different than dealing with a petulant child.

    Guys: one of Roissy’s many excellent pieces of advice is what he has said about the effects of city life on the female mind. If you do decide you want a wife then be extra, EXTRA careful with the girls who have been in the heart of a major city too long.

    In fact, if she’s the type who says something along the lines of how she loves living in the big city and doesn’t see herself wanting to leave any time soon, then don’t even CONSIDER marriage with her, NO MATTER WHAT OTHER GOOD QUALITIES SHE MAY HAVE. Observation of other men’s situations has proven this to be a 100% fact.

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  12. on January 19, 2011 at 12:04 pm Sidewinder

    Good piece of reality. It is also true that the highest quality poon is going for marriage and kids. You can find some exceptions, but they are typically career-oriented cunts who aren’t worth it. Hot, quality girls in mid-20s are already well along in executing their “plan” and it involves marriage, usually kids.

    But surrendering to the marriage reality is not all bad…a man with confidence and style, who is wearing a wedding ring and/or carrying a cute toddler that looks like him, is scoring extremely high in the social proof category with younger women. When it comes to cashing in on that social proof capital however, take it from my personal experience, those younger girls don’t want to give you pussy for nothing…they like what you have and they want it for themselves. Be careful.

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  13. on January 19, 2011 at 12:04 pm josh

    Being a father is great. You don’t know what you are missing.

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  14. on January 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm Paul

    The arrogance above is hilarious. Some of you guys bounce around in your own mind on what you really want. You qualify yourselves through pussy. That’s pathetic. Some of you just want to have all this control over other people, which doesn’t lend to freedom for others around you, instead you become someone who hinders others’ growth. Look, I’m training to be alpha, I’m training to be more confident and it works when you work this kind of program of change. But the absolute nature of your opinions on marriage are silly at best. Your intentions are your intentions. My intention with learning game IS to pull a 10 so I can one day settle down with this boyish behavior of chasing women around. My goals are far superior to finding pussy. Pussy is easy to find. Financial freedom, music, working out, learning, reading, writing…all are far superior to pussy. I get the feeling that most men who get into the game simply deny themselves their own life’s potential simply to get pussy. Bunch of freakin addicts.

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  15. on January 19, 2011 at 12:13 pm josh

    Incidentally, being part of a family is great too. I understand you cynical take on modern marriage, but being a part of a family is a wonderful thing.

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  16. on January 19, 2011 at 12:14 pm Timothy

    Those women who when they were young tossed aside decent men that were willing to have families with them, and end up in their late 30s/early 40s without a man or children have another option – they get inseminated with donor sperm and get a kid that way. This is an option for women of means at least. The others may have to adopt. At that point in their lives many aren’t willing to make the compromises you have to make for relationships, but still want the child.

    Very few women want to marry and NOT have children. If a woman of childbearing age says so, she’s lying. It’s the old bait and switch. Or she’ll “accidentally” end up pregnant by “forgetting” to take her pill. Or she’ll sabotage your condoms. I know of 3 women who weren’t in long-term relationships, and had pretty much given up on getting married but wanted a kid. They let whoever they were fucking get them pregnant, and didn’t care if the guy wanted to be part of the child’s life or not. They wanted the kid – they didn’t necessarily want or need him. Another buddy of mine got a chick he fucked around with in Houston pregnant, while he was living in NY. She called him and told him the news, and TOLD him she was keeping it. No discussion. She eventually moved to Atlanta, and ended up marrying another chick altogether. At some point she’ll want her own baby. So he has to pay child support, and get his every couple month or so time with his son that’s in Houston, and will be on the hook for another kid or kids with his current wife. And his current wife has caught him cheating before they married, so you know when the inevitable end comes, she’ll try to get everything she can out of him.

    Honestly, the only reason for a man to marry is if he wants children, and wants them to a least get a shot at the nuclear family dynamic. Men lose on the marriage deal, and in the end the only positive thing you get from it all is the kids. If a man wants kids, it’s beneficial to him to find one of those women that is willing to have one, share it with you, while you both maintain your independence.

    …and don’t knock fucking washed-up cougars! HA HA!

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  17. on January 19, 2011 at 12:15 pm Sidewinder

    Josh,

    It has its moments, and when it came down to big time decision time for me, I could not envision any scenario where I could be happy without living in the same house as my kids and seeing them every morning and night.

    And it’s just fun playing with your kids between the ages 1-5. They are hilarious and provide you with moments where you get a sense of the source of real love.

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  18. on January 19, 2011 at 12:33 pm samseau

    Here’s an idea.

    HOW TO GET MARRIED AND NOT GET CONNED:

    – Get a woman to fall deeply in love with you.
    – When she pleads for marriage, counter with “I will marry you, but only in the eyes of god. I also want de-facto custody of the children.”
    – If she accepts, you now have a marriage without the state, and the kids are legally yours. She can’t divorce rape you, and the kids are yours unless you become an abusive alcoholic.

    Good luck!

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  19. on January 19, 2011 at 12:39 pm Simonsen

    Marriage really is a total scam. Not more than 5 American women in a hundred are worth the risk (and that may be optimistic). Foreign women are better, if you choose very carefully, but there are no guarantees.

    I’ve been through utter hell. Awful slut-harridan got pregnant “by accident.” She white-knighted stupid me to the altar. Popped out two kids, then ditched me and left me with staggering debt and a divorce experience I would not wish on my proverbial worst enemy.

    It left me drained in body, mind, spirit, and bank account. And, thanks to our “justice” system, my kids live hundreds of miles away, and my evil ex makes my time with them as stressful as possible.

    Being any kind of father now means incredible expense in time, money, and energy, and her idiot boyfriend spends more time with them than I ever will. Words fail me, at times getting on with any part of my life seems almost impossible. And I, unlike a lot of divorced dads, have a decent job, a bit of money left over every month, good friends, and access to a lot of excellent pussy to dull the pain.

    Yet, once in a while, it’s worth it. When my amazing sons hold me and tell me how much they love me and miss me, despite all my ex’s truly satanic efforts to wreck it all, well, it does somehow seem worth it.

    That’s how it goes. Don’t marry American women EVER. Don’t even stick your cock anywhere but in their mouths or asses — avoid the risk.

    But find a decent gal and become a dad. It can be worth it. Don’t buy into the death of your proud race just yet. You are missing out on an inexpressible thing, a deeply male experience, by never becoming a father.

    You can have your fun and do the right thing, if you’re man enough.

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  20. on January 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm Begby

    most guys may want kids, but then most are delusional enough to think that their happy home will last till the kids 12th birthday. statistically, there is a very slim chance of that happening.

    what does happen is the father is given enough time to closely bond with the children, and then they are taken away and used as pawns to bleed money from him.

    if I could have a feminine housewife raise a couple kids for me and be certain that she would not divorce me before they turned 18, I would do it. But, that is the old social contract – the one the feminists wiped their ass with.

    not worth it any more.

    and remember, no woman wants to be a member of any club that would have them – and marriage to you is that ‘club’, chump.

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  21. on January 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm PA

    I agree with Josh and Sidewinder. Having a child is like a whole another dimension being added to your life. With which you can’t help but look at childless men as somewhat incomplete. Sort of like being a college student and not really envying an age-mate who remained in high school, in spite of how fun high school is.

    A year or so ago it came out that Mystery has a daugher, though to my knowledge he has not married the mother or stopped swooping girls. That can be a model for men who opt for pursuing hedonism and freedom from the legal trap that is today’s marriage: have a kid out of wedlock, devote yourself to him, but remain unfettered in your hedonistic pursuits.

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  22. on January 19, 2011 at 12:44 pm Begby

    “But find a decent gal and become a dad. It can be worth it. ”

    how the hell can you advise that? Isn’t that what you THOUGHT you were doing? isn’t that what every ruined man THOUGHT he was doing?

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  23. on January 19, 2011 at 12:49 pm Begby

    you really think that if you have kids, they will still be in your household by their 12th birthday? Statistically, there is a very slim chance of that. Feminists wiped their ass with the old social contract. They are incentivized to get just past the roughest parts of child-rearing with your help, and then leave your ass to go find ‘independence’ on your dime. “Independence” usually means that low-earning, low-intelligence, tingle-producing alpha that has never been pussified by the marriage/kids/divorce process. She has your money, so she’s free to follow the tingles that the broke dipshits provide, and they get to raise YOUR children! ha!

    suckers.

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  24. on January 19, 2011 at 12:51 pm Begby

    woops the posts keep disappearing, then showing up later. sorry for the double.

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  25. on January 19, 2011 at 12:54 pm Tinderbox

    I’m fine with losing the occasional good one, that’s part of the lifestyle. Beats becoming enslaved to her and falling into a routine as she ages and fattens. Beats playing the expensive lottery that modern marriage has become.

    Nothing is worth the inevitable divorce or lifetime of jumping through hoops that even a successful marriage would be.

    Enjoy the hotties when they’re young and spreading their legs for all comers. I’d rather be her temporary hot passionate lover than the lifelong obligated schlub of a husband. Let some other chump be guilted into paying for a rock and setting up of a house filled with useless crap once the hottie decides to finally step off the cock carousel and sponge herself off for her white wedding dress.

    As men we have no equivalent biological clock. We can decide at leisure when and if and how to have kids, or to even eventually choose a woman to settle down with on our terms after experiencing the variety the world has to offer. For those of us with the balls to remain free, it’s no longer necessary to be guilted into the female extortion and monstrosity that modern marriage has become.

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  26. on January 19, 2011 at 12:54 pm what

    Some people do not deserve to be parents. We have to do it for the right reasons and that is to care, give selflessly, unconditionally, and place someone who is utterly helpless before ourselves…always. These intentions has to be genuine, before anyone even start to think about having children. I HATE those that have children because everyone else is having them, or is the natural thing to do after marriage.

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  27. on January 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm what

    My sweetie will be my baby first and forever! hehe!!

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  28. on January 19, 2011 at 1:00 pm anonymous

    Any woman who would agree to raise a child without the highest level of marriage commitment from the father, betrays her children.

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  29. on January 19, 2011 at 1:02 pm Workshy Joe

    I definitely share Roissy’s attitude towards marriage and kids, but I have taken the opposite path to avoiding them: I’ve always gone for the washed-up cougar’s!

    I’m not ruling out the youngsters in principle, I’m just recognising the level of game required to manage the young hotties effectively.

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  30. on January 19, 2011 at 1:10 pm short supply

    i can picture it know: everyone at the club knows him as that smart old dude.

    how long will you be able to or want to keep up with airheaded girls with tons of energy that are always bored with everything and constantly yapping on about mindless things.

    better make that sex last in the bedroom as the rest of the time you’ll want to blow your brains out. you’ll need lots of viagra.

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  31. on January 19, 2011 at 1:11 pm PA

    I too once lost a good one over her growing unrgency to tie me down. (No regrets.) She asked me that she wants a future with me and asked me how I feel about it.

    In response, I pulled out my twelve-string acoustic, and slowly, fully and deliberately strummed out a G chord, a D chord, and a somber E minor. And started saying “If I leave here tomorrow…”

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  32. on January 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm Firepower

    All the sappy Dadginas here bragging about the purported maudlin joy-joy Hallmark Memories of daddyhood fail to note each “rainbow kisses moment ” costs on average $204,305 of your salary – before alimony.

    The Spearhead readers are at least quite judicious in posting every agonizing detail of how She raped He.

    *hug!*

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  33. on January 19, 2011 at 1:23 pm hmmm

    roissy had a post a few weeks back about traits/characteristics of women that men should avoid. namely, career-track feminists with advanced degrees living in large cities who have had experience with more than two cocks.

    conversely, i took the data (there was a graph indicating the likelihood of divorce for women with x amount of partners) to show that if a man decides to get married, the best option for a marriage partner would be a conservative, somewhat religious virgin who was not career-track-minded.

    roissy says: “prepare for a loss”

    so i’m wondering, if it is inevitable that most guys will get married at some point, is there any other traits/qualities to look for in a potential and ideal spouse?

    A few that come to mind (and reiterating from above)

    1. Virgin or has slept with no more than 1 other man and most certainly does NOT have a child.
    2. Moderately conservative
    3. Moderately religious (or at least on the secular right)
    4. Not career-track minded or at least has no aspiration to do whatever it takes to get to the top (which would possibly require infidelity)…but also not a prole with no career future.
    5. has no desire to live in the downtown area of a big city
    6. parents who are still married
    7. has friends who are married
    8. has few to no friends who are divorced
    9. good relationship with father
    10. has some understanding that feminism is, to be short, a load of bullshit.

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  34. on January 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm hmmm

    also, did we ever figure out of goodbooksformen was lolzlolzlzolzoloughner?

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  35. on January 19, 2011 at 1:25 pm spartan

    Roissy the ascended Master of Game.
    You truly are a leader among men.
    There is so many clueless guys out there.
    They have no idea these concepts exist.
    The wisdom on this blog is life changing.

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  36. on January 19, 2011 at 1:25 pm Bling Bing

    “A nontrivial number of sexy women have no interest in marriage, or are ambivalent about the enterprise. ”

    Aren’t they the cougars you hate? I don’t get it. Please clarify.

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  37. on January 19, 2011 at 1:26 pm Obstinance Works

    @Paul

    One of the joys of living my irresponsible lifestyle is to piss grouches like you off.

    My advice to the rest of you is to break it off when either one of you start taking the relationship too seriously.

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  38. on January 19, 2011 at 1:28 pm Obstinance Works

    I’ve had two women abort my potential firstborn, btw. I had no say in the murders.

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  39. on January 19, 2011 at 1:32 pm otherzed

    There is a hint of hypocrisy about all this. You are regularly weeping over the decline of western culture, that it is devoured by the immigrants, yet you refuse to breed. You say western women are wasting their youth in college, in useless jobs, and that there are no decent woman left – and it is you who are they wasting their best years with.

    And by the way, the brainwashing of media is that a woman CAN choose not to have kids. Yes, she can. Until 30-35. After that, hormones kick in and it is either child or madness.

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  40. on January 19, 2011 at 1:36 pm Obstinance Works

    otherzed, until the man of the house is returned his God-given right as the ultimate head of the household, responsible men will never have the upper hand.

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  41. on January 19, 2011 at 1:39 pm hmmm

    @ otherized

    it’s not hypocrisy. not at all. it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t type of scenario.

    i think roissy chooses his path on account that it is beneficial to his rational self interest rather than some idealistic return to western culture.

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  42. on January 19, 2011 at 1:44 pm hmmm

    @ obstinance: ‘returned’? as in, someone else does it for him? or is it, rather, something he achieves on his own? because we can change the laws and the courts, but that will not necessarily change the mindset of weak beta males in this country.

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  43. on January 19, 2011 at 1:50 pm otherzed

    This is no age to be the “ultimate head of the household”, no more than the age of dragons. You can use game to get the upper hand, women can realise that feminism is doing greater harm than good, but there is no turning back to biblical fashion.
    In my opinion, it is only the polarities which came a little closer. Everyone has, and always had, traits of the opposite gender. In old times, they had few, now they have more, but I do believe that a modern man and a modern woman can form a working partnership, call it whatever you want.

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  44. on January 19, 2011 at 1:57 pm otherzed

    @hmmm
    It would, if your doing would not worsen the situation. But it does, in a way.
    But males don’t have a “shared conscience” any more than females, so there is no one to blame, I guess.

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  45. on January 19, 2011 at 1:59 pm julian

    roissy doesn’t want kids according to a cost/benefit analysis. i can respect that line of reasoning in AMERICA. just simply move to a country where the divorce laws dont rape men. those also tend to be the countries where the women are of significantly higher quality as mothers. if you are looking at marriage primarily through a self interest lens this is the only rational course of action. case closed.

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  46. on January 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm beta_plus

    If marriage does not come with the legal guarantee that any children born will genetically be the husbands or else the marriage is null, there is no point in men getting married.

    We need to get back to the traditional values of marriage – that it is a financial contract designed to facilitate the raising of children with rights and obligations for both husband and wife. It is the compromise between men’s need to ensure the children he is providing for are actually his and a women’s need for a secure environment to raise those children upon which modern civilization was built. As it stands right now, it’s nothing but rights for the wife and obligations for the husband.

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  47. on January 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm Kid Nate

    while sitting in the coffee shop TRYING to study…

    a clucking group of mid-20s hens came in and set up shop at a table next to mine…

    it became clear they were all in an MBA program together. they broke out their books and laptops…

    their study session consisted exclusively of talking about their male love interests, general yenta-esque gossip, and future vacations in various spots around the world…

    they were so distracting that I could not study for my upcoming law class tonight. I wished they would go away…

    when I had an epiphany: women pursue professional degrees as a hobby and as a way to meet future high-status males, without regard to actually using the knowledge imparted by their programs to earn a living in the future since they are confident they will have future access to the high status males that will always serve as their financial safety net…

    …whereas for we men, these degrees and the knowledge they ostensibly impart are VITAL to our ability to earn a living in the future.

    the women who take up valuable slots in each class could largely give a shit less about the material. they’re only there in case the material might be shown to be interesting, and if not, at least class and the graduate community serve as a social network.

    as valuable as game is, the number of men who possess it in such spades as to be able to attract and retain an HB9+ for the long, long term without also possessing serious earning power are so few as to be counted on two hands, worldwide.

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  48. on January 19, 2011 at 2:01 pm PA

    is there any other traits/qualities to look for in a potential and ideal spouse?

    It’s also helpful if she’s young; early twenties…. ideally to your early thirties.

    Also, if she’s not a virgin, then you should be the most attractive, alpha man she’s ever been. Her history must be free of any one-night-stands.

    If she had LTR/boyfriends in the past, it’s a good sign if she’s the one who broke up with them. It shows that she’s not thinking of any of them and an indication of her strongest love being given to you.

    Don’t fuck it up with LTR beta though.

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  49. on January 19, 2011 at 2:06 pm otherzed

    @ Kid Nate
    Funny, I was thinking something similar a few days back: as a man chooses his profession, a woman chooses her husband. Or at least it was used to be like this.

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  50. on January 19, 2011 at 2:08 pm scatmaster

    and maintain seperate residents

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  51. on January 19, 2011 at 2:14 pm hmmm

    @ PA: yeah, i’d say marrying a woman before she’s 25 is a mistake, although if they fit more of the other criteria, then i’d gather that there is some leeway.

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  52. on January 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm Lara

    “Modern marriage and kids by their nature tame men and render them less powerfully magnetic than they were as unmarried men”

    I understand what you are saying here, but this isn’t true for men after a certain age. I generally find men who are married with children over the age of 35 or so more appealing than those who have never been married and have no children. I felt this way in my 20s also.

    [Editor: They are rendered less powerfully magnetic to their *wives*. To other women looking from the outside, married men are the cat’s meow.]

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  53. on January 19, 2011 at 2:20 pm Josef Jonze

    Roissy,

    Watch this video its a documentary about an international love triangle in which two beta guy get royally played by a particularly devious woman. I think it highlights a lot of the dynamics this blog covers. Curious to hear your thoughts,

    http://current.com/groups/on-current-tv/76287262_for-the-love-of-skype-part-1.htm

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  54. on January 19, 2011 at 2:24 pm Doug1

    Gorbachev

    And what is you want to breed?

    Initiates a dilemma.

    You’re still better off not being married, at least if you make significantly more money than her. Note that family wealth on her part is usually not something that would get divided 50 50 or really at all if she doesn’t seriously commingle it, or maybe even if she does. However family money on the man’s part might be taken into account in alimony for her, especially in horrible alimony states like Mass.

    If for reasons of family pressure etc. it’s not gonna fly with her to no be married and have kids together, a man is still in a better place if he’s being living with her, and argues why not keep doing what we’re doing, since it’s working so well. “Marriage tends to kill passion after awhile, for one thing because it gives the wife especially too much security with today’s divorce laws”, one can say, and mean it. But also talk about how divorce laws and courts are so stacked against men – and also that women are the ones who primarily need to be incented to remain married, since they initiate divorce 2.5x as much, and are really behind it even more than that, in as much as 90% of divorces many divorce lawyers say. From this position floating the idea of a prenup that pretty much mimics living together in the event of a divorce is much easier.

    So things are still going swimmingly with PCG?

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  55. on January 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm Trimegistus

    The future belongs to those who show up for it. If you’re lucky, Roissy, my offspring MAY remember to mow the grass on your grave. If they don’t have something more important to do.

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  56. on January 19, 2011 at 2:39 pm Catiline

    I wonder if grizzled sea captains have to worry about this dilemma…

    http://seacaptaindate.com/

    surely they could get away with polygamy with women from non western countries…why choose an american wing nut.

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  57. on January 19, 2011 at 3:01 pm larronzo

    When a man gets to be in his 50s, it’s time to think about settling down.

    When I was 52, I got married for the first time to a fine 27 year old woman. I’m 60 now and we have a smart and good-looking 6 year old boy. I never thought I wanted to be a Father until I became one. Now my son is the most important person in my life.

    The social dynamics of having a much younger wife are interesting: now, more than ever (more so than when I was single), women, young and old, single and married, want me to fuck them. It’s a wondrous thing. Men, make good use of the dynamics of female competition and DHV. It also doesn’t hurt to jokingly knock the ladies down a peg or two from time-to-time, just enough so their crotches maintain a keen sense of who’s on top.

    Men, take your sweet time getting around to getting married. When and if you decide you want to get married to have someone lovingly dote on you in your old age, remember this: a jealous wife is a happy life.

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  58. on January 19, 2011 at 3:04 pm Doug1

    beta_male–

    We need to get back to the traditional values of marriage – that it is a financial contract designed to facilitate the raising of children with rights and obligations for both husband and wife. It is the compromise between men’s need to ensure the children he is providing for are actually his and a women’s need for a secure environment to raise those children upon which modern civilization was built. As it stands right now, it’s nothing but rights for the wife and obligations for the husband.

    Absolutely right.

    When you compare marriage to living together this becomes crystal clear. Husbands no longer even have the right to sex from their wives under American law and feminist journalism influenced custom, or any particular standard of child care, much less if she decides to divorce him without fault, but he does have all kinds of continuing support obligations to her.

    So the answer if you really love a girl is to live with her rather an marry her, even if you decide to have kids.

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  59. on January 19, 2011 at 3:13 pm Paul

    The only possible scenario in which it is defensible to marry an American woman is if you take her virginity and her parents migrated from a patriachal nation thereby instilling such virtues in her.

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  60. on January 19, 2011 at 3:15 pm peckerwood

    Bitches always be trying to put a ring on it.

    This is an interesting observation. But what about front ending this? Some girls are like, I won’t sleep with you without a commitment. I doubt the hosts advocate lying, because that’s ultimately playing into the girl’s frame.

    So, what to do at the outset of a relationship where the chick digs you and is trying to nail you down?

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  61. on January 19, 2011 at 3:15 pm Firepower

    Paul

    The only possible scenario in which it is defensible to marry an American woman is if you take her virginity and her parents migrated from a patriachal nation thereby instilling such virtues in her.

    China, Haiti, Pakistan, Mexico and Al Sharpton are currently working on your predicament.

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  62. on January 19, 2011 at 3:20 pm xsplat

    Frost

    I say fuck that. I want it all. Hot sluts, and awesome, well-adjusted kids born and raised by my loving non-wives.

    I have daydreams of siring children starting at age 60. To make up for lost time I’ll have 10 wives. But then I realize that I’ve always found it difficult to find time for more than 3 serious girlfriends. It’s not as satisfyingly greedy, but 3 moms pumping out a kid every three years for 5 or 10 years would make for a sizable Christmas get together.

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  63. on January 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm xsplat

    Paul

    I get the feeling that most men who get into the game simply deny themselves their own life’s potential simply to get pussy. Bunch of freakin addicts.

    I get the feeling that you have a two dimensional cartoonish concept of what pussy is.

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  64. on January 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm Southern Man

    Doug1 said:

    As it stands right now, it’s nothing but rights for the wife and obligations for the husband.

    I was trying to communicate this to my nineteen-year-old son the other day. I think I got my point across but not nearly so eloquently as this comment.

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  65. on January 19, 2011 at 3:44 pm thirsty

    To marry is to halve your rights and double your duties.
    — Arthur Schopenhauer

    ————-

    And that was said two centuries ago. It’s worse now!

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  66. on January 19, 2011 at 4:03 pm titan

    Oddly enough, the very traditional, religious woman may still hold that old fashioned family oriented guy who wishes to have a family in high regard after marriage.

    But she isn’t the one that Roissy wants before that.

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  67. on January 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm TLM

    Modern marriage and kids by their nature tame men and render them less powerfully magnetic than they were as unmarried men……

    You’re absolutely full of s*it and have no idea what you’re talking about on that one.

    [Editor: Look in the average hubby’s eyes. Dead and listless. He has had his masculine soul beaten out of him.]

    Kids in particular should force a man to mature with regards to pursuing his goals in life.

    [Maturity is not the same as sexual desireability. In fact, they are often at odds.]

    Their existence provides focus & clarity for a man’s pursuits. Whether it’s building a business or joining the executive ranks of a corporation, children and their physical & emotional needs are a driving force in motivating a man to reach the pinnacle of success that he desires. And the rewards of having children that love you unconditionally are priceless.

    [Kids do not contribute to business success. Just the opposite. They monopolize a lot of time away from a man’s ambitions. Not to mention kids are a total buzzkill.]

    Spare me the less powerfully magnetic garbage as well.

    [I will spare you nothing.]

    Being married and having children has only increased my attractiveness to women.

    [Married men become less attractive to their wives if nothing is done to counter the natural demystifying progression that occurs in every marriage where women no longer have to work for the man’s commitment. But other women sometimes see them as more attractive. Preselection and all that. There is even a post here about wedding ring game.]

    I did very well back in my early days even though I had little money, an old Jeep, and a crappy apartment. My commitment to my religion is the only thing that keeps me in check now from screwing around with the parade of chicks that throw themselves at me. Success,confidence, money, keeping in shape, having a good-looking wife & kids only increases a woman’s attraction to a married man.

    [Kids are a different beast than marriage. Kids may increase a man’s attraciton, but they also kill any possible hook-up. Most hot babes are not going to want to date a guy toting around kids.]

    And for all the mooks on this thread whining about how they got screwed over, western women are bitches, blah, blah, blah, if you take the reins and act like the leader you’re supposed to be then you won’t have these problems. They want to be lorded over and will desire you more if you’re consistent in doing so.

    [Is it courage or stupidity to step in the path of a speeding car?]

    The whole idea of being some older man with your ball sack hanging to mid-thigh, attempting to Game girls in their 20’s is weak.

    [Sour grapes.]

    Hugh Hefner is a pathetic caricature of a man in his old age.

    [How many long-married men with or without kids would trade places with ol’ Hef? I’d bet it’s easily in the 80-90% range.]

    Any guy that believes he is some role model deserves beta-for-life status. When you’re finished playing the field, find a girl about 6 years younger, marry her and play the part of a real man and you won’t have to worry about the those dreaded Family Courts.

    [A gun is about to go off. You put the barrel of the gun to your forehead. Smart play? Courageous? Alpha?
    And what’s with the steadfast rule to marry 6 years younger? Would 7 years violate some religious precept?]

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  68. on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 pm Begby

    TLM – The typical guy who hasn’t been divorced…yet.

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  69. on January 19, 2011 at 4:21 pm Obstinance Works

    When a man gets to be in his 50s, it’s time to think about settling down.

    HAH!! You haven’t met my 78 y.o. neighbour who is literally a pimp. He always talks about getting a good one, but then he pines where she at?

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  70. on January 19, 2011 at 4:21 pm Schfifty5

    TLM-

    Religion is the only thing that keeps you in check? Not your love for your wife, or children?

    Hugh Hefner is a joke, but so is religion, daddy-o. I guess its good for keeping in check those who lack an internal moral sense.

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  71. on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 pm Obstinance Works

    Being married and having children has only increased my attractiveness to women.

    Kojak wants to hand you a sucker.

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  72. on January 19, 2011 at 4:32 pm Zammo

    “Being married and having children has only increased my attractiveness to women.”

    Preselection that has confirmed your solid status as a beta provider.

    Consider DNA testing those kids, beta boy.

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  73. on January 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm gig

    Being married and having children has only increased my attractiveness to women

    To which women, pale-face?

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  74. on January 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm gig

    The marriage bug doesn’t really start to bite until a woman hits 28 or so, especially in the big cities

    Not in my experience. I wouldn´t say what a friend says, that girls start thinking about marriage and kids when they menstruate. But they surely start considering it once they turn 18.

    Obviously, nothing short of the Crown Prince of Monaco will fullfill an 18 yo hottie´s dreams, but they surely start coming into reality once they enter the 20s

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  75. on January 19, 2011 at 4:39 pm anonymous

    Citizen Renegade, aka Hugh Hefner Jr.

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  76. on January 19, 2011 at 4:44 pm Ack

    So you “dumped your fat wife” and now you were never married? WTF?

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  77. on January 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm Science

    I’m with Frost. But I have an answer:

    just have kids anyway. Too many SWPL types and generic white men in this country think you have to be married to have kids. We’re raised to be too responsible. Just fuck without condoms, the issue WILL come up eventually if it already hasn’t. Some girls will get an abortion, some won’t, and you’ll have a few kids you’ll have to pay some child support for, and some other guy will raise. Easy.

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  78. on January 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm Sidewinder

    Science, I realize you are being kind of tongue in cheek, but there is no biological reward in passing your genes on. Nothing. It won’t make you live longer or give you a rush of any kind.

    The only reward is psychological/emotional/philosophical. You reproduce and raise children because you see it as some kind of contribution to something larger than yourself. Or perhaps you selfishly reproduce to have cute kids to play with and entertain you. But there is nothing gained in just knowing that some kid somewhere has half your dna, unless this knowledge alone satisfies some philosophical sense of purpose.

    Obviously, the pychological/emotional/philosophical rewards are important to most people, and because of that (to use your hypothethical) it would be better to be the guy raising the children that aren’t biologically his than to have been the sperm donor. The sperm donor gets nothing in the deal. If one truly does want to contribute to something beyond himself, better to be man of the house raising those children to function in society.

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  79. on January 19, 2011 at 5:04 pm Boytoy

    Guys, I don’t get shit tests from women. I keep looking for them but can’t tell, either I am not recognizing them or don’t really get subjected to them. Is this possible? Instead women will compliment me, like you know you are a wonderful person, or you are obviously good looking, blah blah. I feel like I am irrationally overconfident.

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  80. on January 19, 2011 at 5:07 pm Science

    “a real howler”?

    exactly how old ARE you, TLM?

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  81. on January 19, 2011 at 5:07 pm Professor Woland

    It has been said that second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience. One reason second marriages (or third, forth, and fith) fail at a higher rate than the first ones is that the pool of available candidates consists of those who, for whatever reason, are left over. I got lucky my second time around. My wife and I both have wretched ex-spouses. While I would not tell anyone not to get married a second time, I would urge extreme caution and good pre-nup.

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  82. on January 19, 2011 at 5:15 pm Science

    @Sidewinder

    I’m not being tongue in cheek at all. I honestly want to have as many kids as possible and I don’t care if I raise them or not. The idea that “but there is no biological reward in passing your genes on”… maybe thats just a difference of opinion. We must have a different idea of what a biological reward is. Passing on your genes is your only real immortality and reward in life. Knowing I have little packages of my DNA out there is a huge psychological AND biological reward. One day, far in the future, I may be the Y-chromosomal Adam of all surviving mankind. That’s pretty fucking awesome. Having more kids will increase my probability of being that super ancestor.

    The point of life is to procreate, thats why we have all these brain cells and can do all this cool shit, its all designed around passing on our genes.

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  83. on January 19, 2011 at 5:18 pm Sidewinder

    Not sure why TLM has sparked such defensiveness from the ‘PUA’ community. If you’re in your 30s, with an attractive family, and you have maintained your masculinity and not morphed into a herb loser, you are the prototype for what top quality pussy wants. They see you, and they want that. You are the gold at the end of the rainbow to them. It isn’t that they see you as a beta provider. They see you first as a desireable top-quality guy. And they probably make positive assumptions about your ability to provide for your family, but this is not a bad trait and not one that unnecessarily places you in the beta category.

    TLM is stating the obvious. A successful man, husband, father is what girls in their mid-20s go to bed dreaming about. Not a beta provider wimp…but a successful man in every facet, including his personal life.

    Converting on this pre-selection and strong social proof is the tricky part and something that I have certainly not mastered. Its a riddle to me that I can’t solve. When it comes down to it, they don’t just want to live out a porno adultry fantasy with you. They want YOU and they will seriously mess up your life to get there.

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  84. on January 19, 2011 at 5:21 pm Lupo Leboucher

    Firepower: “I’ve met only 3 women in 4 years who I would even consider bestowing with such an honor.

    The killer is: I truly believe raising a child in this Puss-ocracy we once called America could only bring pain and regret.”

    That many? I think I’ve met one, in my entire life. And I wasn’t physically attracted to her.

    I won’t argue with you on the pain and regret line though. This place is a real mess.

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  85. on January 19, 2011 at 5:24 pm Sidewinder

    Science,

    You’re just describing a pretty weak psychological award. Your organism is not receiving any physical benefit to passing its genes on. And its really just a pure fantasy reward because you will not be around to know if your genes are the lucky new “adam” to start your new fantasy civilization. But by investing yourself in raising children, and instilling values and character traits that will make it likely that THEY will also reproduce and pass along this cumulative knowledge, you do receive the psychological benefit of actually contributing to something.

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  86. on January 19, 2011 at 5:30 pm Jay Gatsby

    If you get married, the most important thing you must do is continue to “game” your wife. The second most important thing is to always work to improve yourself.

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  87. on January 19, 2011 at 5:43 pm anonymouses anonymous

    Instead of swearing off marriage, just establish what marriage is.

    Marriage is for the women you want to have your children and to be the female side of raising those kids. Nothing else is a marriage.

    With today’s laws making it extra beneficial for women to break a marriage covenant, you need to be really selective.

    Also, marry a woman in her young 20s. Once they hit 30, chances increase that any child they have is going to be a special needs child. With today’s easy life, a woman under 20 cannot establish her character, except those whose religious beliefs are what define her as a person.

    A man should not get married until he has made himself to a level of wealth that should she ever destroy the marriage, he can still live the life he wants on half of his wealth. Better yet, wait until you have established yourself such that she will dread leaving you.

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  88. on January 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm flyingsquirrel

    Man, the blog seems to be infested with chivalrous dunces. Shame.

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  89. on January 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm Legion

    The anger of a person’s rebuttal is directly correlated with how badly the truth stung them.

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  90. on January 19, 2011 at 5:54 pm Anton

    After you’ve spent a couple of decades banging hotties, marry a pretty, feminine, smart (but not smarter than you) girl and have kids with her. Devote some time to enjoying and raising them. Meanwhile, continue to bang the occasional hottie (and keep your wife aware that it might be happening). Life’s good.

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  91. on January 19, 2011 at 5:55 pm julian

    “If you get married, the most important thing you must do is continue to “game” your wife. The second most important thing is to always work to improve yourself.”

    I hear this a lot from the married types. Game your wife ! Improve yourself ! What about her ?

    As it stands according to hypergamy she is always looking to trade up. Look at your marriages guys, did she trade up ? If she did, that means you traded down unless she is very beautiful or has the heart of an angel. What are the odds that you married a beautiful woman with the heart of an angel ?

    So let’s say you didn’t marry a woman who is objectively more beautiful than you are handsome or is more virtuous than you are honorable. Basically that means you must game a wife who is objectively lower on the scale than you socially and financially, AND improve yourself to maintain the attraction of a woman who is not more attractive than you are physically or morally. What’s the upside for men here ?

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  92. on January 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm chi-town

    The downside to the nuclear family is a tad bit overplayed. I can testify to this in two generations since I had little doubt my father enjoyed our relationship, especially as I got older. I suppose there is that childhood example involving the absentee pimp and crack ho mama that cannot relate. Its easy to not want kids you don’t have. As one ages, one does begin to anticipate the brain chemistry immediately after orgasm. Its not all there is.

    What is forgotten is the baby stage, and that a normal man should hold much less interest in it. Modern women seem mystified their hubbies don’t quite have the same zeal. Women certainly suffer through such stages, but they are constantly rewarded with hardwired cuteness feedback circuitry to be likened to a reliable paycheck and weekends of repose. There is no such equivalent reward for men and babies. There is no post lactation dose of oxytocin. Rather than a brook of mother’s milk is a white water created at the sound of a wailing baby; behind it is a tributary of testosterone.

    This dynamic is easy to understand for men since men essentially suffer women for the reward. Soothing the wounds of sacrifice is ineffective without a surfeit of reward. Fatherhood and baby raising is like a sexless relationship with a woman. One could say fatherhood and motherhood are the same later in life, but in the baby stage, the sensual pleasure for fathers is absent.

    This of course makes perfect sense. Nature rewards survival and replication, and at some point, fatherhood enters into the equation. Yet once again, we have jacked with nature. This is why femininity should be sought out as it portends the strength of motherhood. Degenerate modern women, who lack such a nature, are sure to foist upon their man a role for which their nature is unsuited. See it in the eyes of a man who guides a baby carriage.

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  93. on January 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm College Slacker

    Being just a young one myself, I can’t relate all that well except that seeing that I am not planning on getting married was one of the big reasons my longtime gf and I broke up not too long ago. (we’re both graduating this may)

    Roissy is not kidding, it’s not exactly a fun experience

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  94. on January 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm askjoe

    you know, a friend got married and his wife had two kids. The father is still paying child support for kids that he doesn’t get to raise. So, the buddy gets free $ for child stuff.

    If that’s the case that getting married doesn’t eliminate your financial obligations, then what’s the point.

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  95. on January 19, 2011 at 6:22 pm lover of women

    @TLM

    your confrontational style rendered possibly valid points ..hard to get

    the editor’s comments were equally harsh..but probably a mirror

    As to Hugh Hefner.. you kidding? You know him? ..He’s nothing to aspire to ..and worse … lots of skeletons (literally) in that past .. and the last 10 years an embarressment to humanity and masculinity ..

    Further, I could make a very strong argument his philosophy ushered in the disintegration of US society. The high browed marketing spin was much more theory than practice.

    He appealed to weakness in both sexes with the cunning of a vampire and the soft smile of high end car salesman.

    If he was only responsible for destroying one life ..it would have been one to many..but maybe excusable ..there were multiples

    He is no alpha ..

    [Editor: How many men can say they are banging 8s 9s and 10s who are 1/4th their age?]

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  96. on January 19, 2011 at 6:23 pm Cali Jessa

    I wanted a child with a great guy I really liked but I didn’t want marriage AT ALL and he got all butt hurt about it and so I broke up with him.

    Why is marriage so damned important to some people?

    UGH!

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  97. on January 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm Mr, C

    Say you are a man in your 40’s +

    One potential strategy is to find a woman that has already had kids , but had them in her early 20’s and is still in good shape, and in her 40’s

    Having met a few of these women I have noticed that women that have kids early tend to stay in far better shape than women that have kids in their 30s. (Provided they were in good shape to beging with)

    The female body is just better able to handle the stress and demands of pregancy and child rearing when they are in their 20’s and is able to bounce back easier than an older womans body can.

    These women have already satisfied their biological urges and imperatives and their kids have already been brough up and are close to or have passed the 18 mark.
    Therefore , some other chump (their biological father) has paid for their upbringing.

    Let me give you one example of a woman I have met within my social circle.

    She is 48 , looks 35, is in great shape and has two daughters , one daughter is in her early 20s , the other 18.
    She got divorced a couple of years ago from her Beta husband because he became an Omega.
    Has a nice personality , charming , smart but not too smart , was married young and from a good family.

    Now she is just looking for someone to settle down with and enjoy her life with.

    If I was in my late 40s + , I think she would make a great partner. Because realistically , unless a man is in great shape and has the trappings of money/status etc , he won’t be scoring too many 20 – 35 year old quality poon.

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  98. on January 19, 2011 at 6:37 pm Doug1

    peckerwood–

    So, what to do at the outset of a relationship where the chick digs you and is trying to nail you down?

    Go, “next”, basically. Certainly be willing to.

    That’s what the three date rule is for.

    This will happen less the more she sees you as alpha sexually exciting. Be intense but not needy.

    Have the frame that you’re impatient, get bored by not very sexually hungry girls, and have lots of options. Let her see your social proof.

    After banging her, if she’s a good one, be like hot girls that don’t want to go to commitment to quickly. You should be willing to spend time with her and have a relationship but let her know you’re not ready to settle down yet or too quickly. have to get to know each other first, spend time together, while at the same time you’re a social guy. But you can give her the impression it’s not necessarily other girls all the time that are occupying you; there’s time consuming work, your friends, being social.

    It’s not wise to announce early on, that you never want to get married. It’s just the wrong initial selling point especially if she’s getting baby rabies and you’re a good lot older than her. You can have in mind that you might possibly with a prenup (when and if you want kids immediately), but only after a trial living together, say a year down the road with her (if you’re really nutz about the girl), but leave most of this unsaid as backstory, with what’s said being something like “not so fast, lets see how things progress, this is good for now”.

    Also if you’re a greedy fuck like me, never promise total exclusivity on your side. Don’t demand it either, but say or have as backstory to eventually say that you could only feel commitment to a girl that only wanted you. Guys are different. We’re polygamous by natural inclination.

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  99. on January 19, 2011 at 6:48 pm formerly known as TLM until banned

    The Chateau has been banning my responses to the critics of my comment. Way to go Roissy, this site is now a mommy blog where any dissent with the host is not tolerated. Way to show that gamma side to your internet persona.

    [Editor: Your problem is that you have nothing new, insightful or interesting to say. Your tired troll act has been done a thousand times before by haters on this blog. I can practically recite the exact wording you all use.]

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  100. on January 19, 2011 at 6:49 pm Dave from Hawaii

    As it stands according to hypergamy she is always looking to trade up.

    This is misunderstanding the concept of hypergamy in a LTR.

    Hypergamy doesn’t mean that she is always looking to trade up…it simply means her instinct to mate better than her.

    In other words, if you Beta-ize, by deferring to her and she perceives that you are no longer higher value than her, she will lose attraction and build contempt.

    But if you maintain the upper position in the dynamic of the relationship, she won’t build that resentment and contempt.

    As for “having to constantly game” your wife…

    …what is it with people who make this assumption that once you’re married, you think you just walk up to your wife and tell her “alright dear, it’s time for you to perform your wifely duties and have sex with me.”

    Wives want to be seduced just like any other woman does.

    Whether you’re seducing the same women over years, or different women every night, you still have to “game” a woman to have an active sex life.

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  101. on January 19, 2011 at 6:55 pm walawala

    True story…when I was married, my wife was a few years older than me: 40 to my 35.

    She wanted kids, I didn’t, became a major source of tension.

    I had an affair with a younger, hotter, tight girl. Then I dumped my wife. Things of course never materialized with the affair.

    But…while we were separated, I started banging all sorts of younger, hotter, tighter girls.

    I didn’t know anything about game, but the fact that I didn’t give a shit seemed attractive to this bevy of younger hotter women I was meeting then.

    After a year of separation where we remained in contact, my wife suddenly starts dressing up, looks hot.

    I suggest reconciliation. She refuses. We opt for divorce.

    How’s it end?

    Exactly 3 months after the divorce becomes final—a year and 3 months after I filed for divorce (yes, I filed)…she marries an older, extremely wealthy guy. A mutual friend had told me that older dude’s kids were suspicious that my ex-wife was marrying him for his money….

    Do women fall “out of love” that quickly? I seriously doubt that. This was clearly an attempt to find some security and self-respect after being dumped for not pulling her weight in the marriage.

    It always struck me as odd…until I learned about game. Then it became the obvious move for her.

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  102. on January 19, 2011 at 6:58 pm chic noir

    [Editor: How many men can say they are banging 8s 9s and 10s who are 1/4th their age?]

    those who can pay 1k per hour.

    [Editor: How many men can afford to pay 1k per hour?]

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  103. on January 19, 2011 at 6:59 pm lover of women

    How many dead, fucked up, emotionally wrecked 20 – 25 year old women do you want to leave in your wake?

    So you could be bangin 8, 9, 10’s at 84 years old pumped up on Cialis and selective memories of your past.

    For that to be important to a man in his 80’s shows a life that was lived wide but not deep …and purpose and wisdom completely missed.

    I could understand how the concept might appeal to a younger man ..yet I’d bet you over estimate the percentage of men who’d trade their families and lives for the Playboy fantasy.

    You write very well and have tremendous insight on your chosen subject ..and I appreciate that …

    Step back 100 yards and your perspective changes

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  104. on January 19, 2011 at 7:04 pm Doug1

    Gig–

    Not in my experience. I wouldn´t say what a friend says, that girls start thinking about marriage and kids when they menstruate. But they surely start considering it once they turn 18.

    Obviously, nothing short of the Crown Prince of Monaco will fullfill an 18 yo hottie´s dreams, but they surely start coming into reality once they enter the 20s

    Brazil and the US are two quite different countries and cultures.

    28 is a bit late as any kind of US average; it applies more to professional and academic graduate degree girls esp. from more elite universities, found thick on the ground in cities like DC, NY, Boston and San Francisco. And Seattle. And LA too though as much cause of the entertainment industry and that whole culture, as graduate degree prevalence. Lots of US girls go serious husband hunting around 25. Very few do at 18 these days in this country.

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  105. on January 19, 2011 at 7:05 pm johnny five

    with all this talk about the power women have over men in marriage – on a game board, no less – there’s one very important concept i’m surprised hasn’t been mentioned.
    and that’s this:
    from an objective legal standpoint, yes, women hold tremendous power over men in marriage.
    … but that’s, well, from an objective legal standpoint.
    and who thinks from an objective legal standpoint?
    men do.
    women, as a rule, don’t.
    connect the dots here: women generally think in terms of their subjective, emotionally infused interpretation of any given situation. convict or acquit? forgive or get revenge? x or y? regardless of the situation, the objective reality is AT BEST a supplemental consideration.

    … buuuuutttt then you guys are all thinking that, in marriage, a woman is going to evaluate her power through the same objective lens that you do.
    guess what?
    she ain’t.
    she can have as much power over you as unit 731 over a POW; as much impunity as a dictator; and it all amounts to nothing, if you can create a stronger frame.
    if you can get to the point where she thinks of marriage as her ultimate act of submission to you, then it can open up avenues down which the same woman wouldn’t go, or would go ever so reluctantly, without it.

    remember, she, like all women, is essentially a blank slate; she will gravitate toward whatever set of values and opinions influences her most strongly.
    if she thinks of marriage as an opportunity for raping and pillaging, that’s because the strongest set of values in her life is those of her girlfriends (or certain segments of the media).
    if the strongest set of values in her life is yours, you ain’t got that problem.

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  106. on January 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm Doug1

    walawala–

    It’s never good to marry a woman older than yourself, unless you’re golddigging. 5 years older is way too much.

    I’m not saying younger guys should never get with cougars; I’m saying that committing to them is crazy.

    I think 5 years younger should be the minimum for any longer than 1 yr LTR.

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  107. on January 19, 2011 at 7:09 pm johnny five

    just to hammer home the above point:
    consider the pimp-prostitute relationship.
    * who has more legal power?
    * why doesn’t she exercise that power?
    * what qualities does the pimp have that keep her giving him everything, in exchange for little or even nothing?
    * are any of those qualities, except perhaps a credible threat of violence, grounded in objective reality?

    to ask the questions is to answer them.

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  108. on January 19, 2011 at 7:09 pm Mr, C

    ” Do women fall “out of love” that quickly? ”

    I think you would be suprised at how quickly women can fall out of love; particularly when their sense of respect for you is gone.

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  109. on January 19, 2011 at 7:13 pm Science

    @Sidewinder
    How’s this sound… I’ll impregnate them, and you can have the vast psychological reward of raising them?

    BTW the 3 laws of genetics are:
    First Law. All human behavioral traits are heritable.
    Second Law. The effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effect of genes.
    Third Law. A substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioral traits is not accounted for by the effect s of genes or families.

    Have fun raising my genes, and trying to instill whatever you want in them, despite the fact that my rascally genes will overpower whatever moral code you try to instill. (http://people.virginia.edu/%7Eent3c/papers2/three_laws.pdf)

    Basically, scientists are discovering more and more that it doesn’t matter at all how you are raised. Epigenetics matters down the line, but not much social environment or how you’re raised. What you are is encoded in you the day your fathers sperm burrows into your mothers butt poop. Or however that works.

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  110. on January 19, 2011 at 7:15 pm johnny five

    lover of women

    I’d bet you over estimate the percentage of men who’d trade their families and lives for the Playboy fantasy.

    heh.
    the irony.

    the magnitude of the things that even the most dedicated of hedonists would trade for “the playboy fantasy” pales — fades to black — in comparison to what the average woman would trade for even one evening of the perfect alpha/pimp/king/whatever fantasy.

    some men would throw away a great deal for that situation … but most women would throw everything away, for even a chance at the analogous situation.

    imagine: Rogue.
    now multiply all those urges by a thousandfold.
    what do you get?
    …Woman.

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  111. on January 19, 2011 at 7:16 pm Doug1

    Johnny Five–

    and who thinks from an objective legal standpoint?
    men do.
    women, as a rule, don’t.
    connect the dots here: women generally think in terms of their subjective, emotionally infused interpretation of any given situation. convict or acquit? forgive or get revenge? x or y? regardless of the situation, the objective reality is AT BEST a supplemental consideration.
    … buuuuutttt then you guys are all thinking that, in marriage, a woman is going to evaluate her power through the same objective lens that you do.
    guess what?
    she ain’t.

    There’s an element of truth to this J5, but only that, an element.

    What you’re saying tends to be true in the first few years of marriage, especially if the woman was genuinely in love with an alpha guy to begin with. It has some chance of continuing to be true. However, there’s the enormous pull of American feminist suffused culture mediated through TV sitcoms and movies, and through her friends, especially if she lives on the coasts in liberal communities. Maybe if the alpha is always both alpha and has no big reversals at work, and doesn’t cheat, it will be fine. And yeah some alphas even today can get away with some cheating WITH SOME WOMEN, but alphas are divorced for it with other sins thrown in all the time in America. See Hollywood. See everywhere else.

    Sure alphas who don’t cheat and who are also financially successful relative to her expectations have a better chance of not getting divorced by their wife than betas who do the same thing, but to pretend they’re immune is total self delusion on your part.

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  112. on January 19, 2011 at 7:18 pm Science

    three laws of behavioral genetics. I left the behavioral out.

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  113. on January 19, 2011 at 7:19 pm flyingsquirrel

    @Legion: Stung? Let me go on record here as being interested in having a family myself, in the future if not now. But the guy comes in here, talks a bunch of crap about “playing the part of a real man”, says we won’t have to worry about family courts (on which planet does he live?), calls the other guys here “mooks”. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh?

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  114. on January 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm Tim

    I generally find men who are married with children over the age of 35 or so more appealing than those who have never been married and have no children. I felt this way in my 20s also.

    Out of pure curiosity, who is more attractive to women: the never married bachelor with no kids over the age of 35 or the divorced man with kids over the age of 35?

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  115. on January 19, 2011 at 7:24 pm Doug1

    johnny five–

    consider the pimp-prostitute relationship.
    * who has more legal power?
    * why doesn’t she exercise that power?
    * what qualities does the pimp have that keep her giving him everything, in exchange for little or even nothing?
    * are any of those qualities, except perhaps a credible threat of violence, grounded in objective reality?

    to ask the questions is to answer them.

    Again, there’s something to what you’re saying, but not nearly as much as you think.

    The power of the old style pimp has faded a whole lot for most prostitutes from what I see. A lot of that power was based upon her outcast status, where police only rarely did much to crack down on pimps partly for that reason, and where there were no advocacy groups. For a couple of decades feminists have been advocating for the victim and essentially blameless status of prostitutes esp. those run by pimps and I think that’s made a difference. So has the internet, where lots of call girls at various prices self promote or are promoted by websites/orgs. that have to compete against easily findable others that aren’t so oppressive to the hos.

    Now, that’s not to say that the psychologically enslaved ho run by a pimp (generally black in the US) has ceased to exist. Of course not. Just a smaller part of the pie. quite a lot smaller I think.

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  116. on January 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm johnny five

    doug, i hear ya.
    in fact, i hear ya on two different levels; i hear the objective reality of what you’re saying, accompanied by the plangent melancholia of previous, very personal recollections — personal enough to have sent you on a blues-brothers-style mission from god about this stuff.

    while i understand that this board’s rather unilateral portrayal of marriage (and ltr’s where the “l” isn’t kidding) is part of its unique charm, i also think that its hosts and commenters should flesh out the plus sides of such relationships a little more than they do.

    to sum: a wife can give you much more legitimacy in certain circles of movers and shakers. while this is passingly true in anodyne corporate circles, it’s doubly true if you have a significant underworld component to your life.

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  117. on January 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm johnny five

    Now, that’s not to say that the psychologically enslaved ho run by a pimp (generally black in the US) has ceased to exist. Of course not. Just a smaller part of the pie. quite a lot smaller I think.

    doug, it’s only a smaller part of the pie because the rest of the pie has gotten so much damn bigger.
    i don’t know the extent of your experience with pimps and ho’s, but your belief that “independents” are actually independent — any more than “strong, independent women” are either of those adjectives — is, well, rather endearing in its callowness.
    apart from the older demimondaines who’ve built their reputation on specialty services, the rule in pimpin’ is cherchez l’homme, just as the rule in most male conflicts is cherchez la femme.

    and, as for why the more traditional style of pimpin’ is less visible, have you considered the fact that the public stroll, with all its attendant risks, is no longer the only viable marketing technique?

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  118. on January 19, 2011 at 7:36 pm Begby

    @ J5
    In addition to Doug1’s excellent points, there is the simple fact that you are putting more and more effort, over time, into gaming a woman who has less and less attractive value. You are dumping resources into a depreciating asset. The law of diminishing returns has set in. And if you are the one who decides to stray after 5 years, you could end up paying dearly for it as your frame is demolished by her divorce lawyer’s frame.

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  119. on January 19, 2011 at 7:42 pm johnny five

    For a couple of decades feminists have been advocating for the victim and essentially blameless status of prostitutes esp. those run by pimps and I think that’s made a difference

    yes, it’s made a difference – it has pulled out the shallow roots of inferior pimps who can’t hack it.

    it’s also a lot harder to, say, open a food stand these days, what with all these health dept. regulations, potential lawsuits, and all that.
    does this mean that fewer people are eating?
    does it mean that more people are going to start, well, cooking at home?
    …or does it just mean that only the more savvy operators will succeed in such an oppressive atmosphere, and, ironically, that that very oppressiveness will lead to greater profits for those blessed few?

    i’m with you on one thing, the days of the gorilla pimp are over.

    but, if you think the demand is elastic – or if you think that the real pimps, who follow sun tzu’s advice to avoid strength and attack the weakness (the female psyche) instead, aren’t exponentializing their take in this environment – then it’s time to stop the armchair theorizing and hit the darkside for a little edjumacation.

    give a man a fish, day, teach a man to fish, lifetime, etc.
    beat a bitch’s ass, run her for a day. beat a bitch’s mind and soul, run her for a lifetime.
    no?

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  120. on January 19, 2011 at 7:42 pm lover of women

    @johnny five

    nice point

    men in general will follow the rules ..keep to their word if they can…and find happiness in sometimes absurd circumstances .. unless they feel like they are being played

    ..women can find unhappiness in paradise ..hence the parable story Adam and Eve..

    @science

    I get suspicious when an academic begins with “..let’s not discuss the many exceptions to these laws..”

    and then follows with

    “The point is that now that the empirical facts are in and no longer a matter of serious controversy..”

    I get even more suspicious when my own experience common sense and logic fail to see your interpretation as valid.

    Having lived in non-mixed cultures and very mixed cultures I’d say it was true in particular specific measureable fragments but not true in overall direction. Sort of like ..you are free to move anywhere on the boat..but the power and direction of the boat is moving you.

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  121. on January 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm Doug1

    Mr, C

    ” Do women fall “out of love” that quickly? ”

    I think you would be suprised at how quickly women can fall out of love; particularly when their sense of respect for you is gone.

    I think part of what is going on is this.

    Women are taught by our culture that they are naturally monogamous for the right “soul mate” or “true love”. As a corollary it’s allowed that if they no longer feel exclusively attracted to their husband, or even that sexually compellingly attracted, just comfortable (which can vary with coming to no longer lying to herself realization not long after a babies rabies marriage or birth, to a number of years later as passion fades), that they feel they have a free pass to “follow their hearts” or “follow their instincts” and divorce, or cheat and then divorce.

    Men are taught in feminist America that they’re dogs and will always be attracted to other women, but that if they make a marriage commitment, they should devote body and soul and resources to honoring that commitment, and not wanting to leave their family, regardless of their diminished, or enormously diminished attraction, if truth be told, to their aging and often porking wives.

    If this isn’t misandry, what is?

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  122. on January 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm johnny five

    begby
    You are dumping resources into a depreciating asset.

    i see that you have a rather limited panorama of the possibilities afforded by an attractive, savvy, atavistically driven, housebroken bitch.

    …and if you need increasing effort to “game” the same woman, well, what can i say, i’m sorry your game sucks.
    when you’re playing a musical instrument, begby, do you also need increasing effort to play the same tune over and over?
    …or do you require continually decreasing effort to produce the same melody? and, with constant effort, can you not improvise more creatively and more expertly?

    almighty jesus, begby, if i had your attitude i’d have shot myself through the head by now

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  123. on January 19, 2011 at 7:54 pm Lara

    [Editor: They are rendered less powerfully magnetic to their *wives*. To other women looking from the outside, married men are the cat’s meow.]

    Yes, that’s true. I guess that does present a bit of a problem.

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  124. on January 19, 2011 at 7:57 pm johnny five

    doug:
    Men are taught in feminist America that they’re dogs and will always be attracted to other women, but that if they make a marriage commitment, they should devote body and soul and resources to honoring that commitment, and not wanting to leave their family, regardless of their diminished, or enormously diminished attraction, if truth be told, to their aging and often porking wives.

    If this isn’t misandry, what is?

    ok, i’ll give you the first paragraph. yeah, misandry.

    as for the second paragraph: ah, yes, the clarion call of the man who wants All The Rules Written Out In Stone, lest some advantage be doled out to those who understand the (gasp!) unwritten rules.

    would it be as delicious to be acquitted on a technicality, were that technicality dictated to you by the arresting officer?

    would that candy have tasted as good if your momma hadn’t told you it was off limits?

    how much higher the apex of what we can achieve, how much sweeter the taste, precisely because we are told the opposite!

    break on through to the other side
    break on through to the other side
    yeah!
    everybody loves my baby
    everybody loves my baby
    she gets high
    she gets high

    …she wouldn’t get as high if it were sanctioned by the surrounding culture.

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  125. on January 19, 2011 at 7:58 pm Science

    @lover of women

    Look it up. Look up twin studies and all literature on the nature/nurture behavioral genetics “debate” (which is as much a “debate” as evolution/creationism is… non-scientists may think there’s a debate, but there is a strong consensus among scientists). It all points to the same thing.

    And “common sense” is not the best judge of what is scientifically correct. Bryan Caplan’s Myth of the Rational Voter and Michael Shermer’s Mind of the Market show how economic “common sense” is not just wrong, but tends to make people think the exact opposite of what is true. Same goes for “common sense” about genetics. People have this strong desire to want the human animal to be a blank slate. We want to believe that as long as we have the will, we can be what we want to be, but the science says otherwise.

    I stole this directly from a friends blog:
    “Consider the correlation between the IQ of a) identical twins raised together vs. b) fraternal twins raised together. We’ve kept environment almost constant – same family, same wealth, same education, same *prenatal environment* – the only difference I see is how parents/people respond to identicals vs. fraternals. All we’ve varied is the genetic similarity, (a) shares 100% of genes, (b) only 50%.

    The correlation in case a) is 0.88, and b) is 0.53. So we lose 0.35 of correlation between two people with almost identical environments, culture, wealth and education, based solely on whether they share 100% or 50% of genes. 50% genes, 0.35 correlation, hence, roughly speaking, IQ is 70% heritable (70% of variation is caused by the genes).

    If environment played such a large role, the difference between (a) and (b) would be much smaller because in both cases the environment is the same. Variance within the family would be low compared to variance within a country, so MZ/DZ twins raised together would have about the same IQ correlation. We would not get such a dramatic drop by only varying whether the 2 siblings pull one or two sets of genes from the random Mendelian lottery. But that ain’t the case. You can add data to this w/ various other kinship relations and level of shared environment, and you add more possible environmental confounders (in theory), but in practice the results get you about the same heritability as the simple (a) vs. (b) which cleanly short-cuts such problems.”

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  126. on January 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm julian

    “This is misunderstanding the concept of hypergamy in a LTR.

    Hypergamy doesn’t mean that she is always looking to trade up…it simply means her instinct to mate better than her.”

    BETTER THAN HER

    This is what I was trying to get at in my comment. If you are better than her, that means she is less than you barring higher levels of beauty or virtuousness. Hence, why would I make a lifetime commitment to a person who is objectively less than me AND work to generate attraction in a woman who I know will only REMAIN attracted if I am BETTER than her ? Sadly, this is the case for most American marriages I see.

    I am not seeing the upside in marrying a woman who is objectively at the same level of attractiveness that you are if you are going to bring the lion’s share of money into the household along with the risk of being ripped of half that share in 5-10 years. She must be younger, more beautiful and more virtuous than I am for me to make that trade. Unfortunately, that trade is not possible in the US of A.

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  127. on January 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm johnny five

    julian, um, sure… because attractiveness, hypergamy, etc. can all be measured on the same linear scale, right?

    I am not seeing the upside in marrying a woman who is objectively at the same level of attractiveness that you are if you are going to bring the lion’s share of money into the household along with the risk of being ripped of half that share in 5-10 years.

    would it just kill you if i told you that the kind of woman who sees marriage as a direct exchange of attractiveness for money happens to be the same kind who sees fit to exit the contract as soon as it would be financially advantageous to do so?

    …and if i told you that money is a nice ancillary factor, but that the true exchanges are, one, money vs. home-and-hearth contributions and, two, male atavistic sexual stimulation vs. female atavistic sexual stimulation?

    money may be able to buy attractive mercenaries, but it can’t buy hot sex… sex that’s hot in mind, in body, and in soul. never could. never will. sorry boss.
    the problem with guys like you is that you don’t understand that the price of hot animalistic passion is low: you need barter with nothing but hot animalistic passion of your own. if you try to substitute money, the exchange rate is steep.
    the other problem with guys like you is that you don’t ask nearly enough of what you should ask for your money, which is responsible stewardship of home and hearth. instead, you rubes would, it seems, be perfectly content with trading all that money for a pretty face, and usually sans passion at that.
    suckers.
    marks.
    no wonder the damn price is so high.

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  128. on January 19, 2011 at 8:32 pm Gorbachev

    @Doug1

    Gorbachev

    And what is you want to breed?
    Initiates a dilemma.

    You’re still better off not being married, at least if you make significantly more money than her. Note that family wealth on her part is usually not something that would get divided 50 50 or really at all if she doesn’t seriously commingle it, or maybe even if she does. However family money on the man’s part might be taken into account in alimony for her, especially in horrible alimony states like Mass.

    I escaped alimony in my first marriage, though as you know even if my fist wife gets married – and divorce – again, she can sue me for alimony even now. If men know that, nobody would ever get married. It’s terrible. BUT –

    If for reasons of family pressure etc. it’s not gonna fly with her to no be married and have kids together,

    That would never fly, alas. Not children. And more to the point, not with my family – my mother would go more ape-shit than she would if I decided to be gay. It’s bad enough I’m not with a Catholic; and that I was married to a Jew. This one isn’t even Muslim or Jewish. They have no idea what to make of her. My brother’s words:
    “How the fuck did you get this woman? You’ll never keep her. You bastard.”

    a man is still in a better place if he’s being living with her, and argues why not keep doing what we’re doing, since it’s working so well. “Marriage tends to kill passion after awhile, for one thing because it gives the wife especially too much security with today’s divorce laws”, one can say, and mean it.

    Yes, but then I know what she’ll say: how it’s stability, how it celebrates love, how it cements a family, …

    etc.

    But also talk about how divorce laws and courts are so stacked against men – and also that women are the ones who primarily need to be incented to remain married, since they initiate divorce 2.5x as much, and are really behind it even more than that, in as much as 90% of divorces many divorce lawyers say. From this position floating the idea of a prenup that pretty much mimics living together in the event of a divorce is much easier.

    This explains my motivation, but doesn’t eliminate her perception of the need.

    So things are still going swimmingly with PCG?

    Extremely well. Crazy well. She’s madly in love. I’ve been for to long. It’s a thing of beauty.

    Some wrinkles, like her incessant and irresistible vanity. It infects every fiber of her being. I’ve been clever about denying it, but, …

    One thing it does do, it gives me a more or less constantly shifting shit-test, something I can use to neg her without having to put her down for anything else. It’s useful in that sense.

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  129. on January 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm lover of women

    @science

    interesting..I have questions

    If you understand confirmation bias than you understand this same concept can be applied to “supposed” objective data even from the most objective honest research. Perception skewers interpretation coming in and going out.

    As to correlation ..I know about this intimately as I am a trader.. quants look for data all the time ..yet screw up the models with projections.

    For example .. a 90% correlation ..so A causes B to move ..when in fact it’s just a mirror (for example interest rates and currency levels)

    ..or an arbitrage specialist will say the market is rigged..because APPLE is up 6% in after hours ..but the NDX is flat..and APPLE represents 20% weighting.. blah blah blah

    so what does he do short APPLE or buy NDX ..?

    THEORY- all of it …the world doesnt work like that

    Human life is not soley IQ ..there is temperment, physical condition and function, intuition, instinct, ability and each individuals connection to each of theses aspects..plus integration of all these functioning at best levels to achieve what is required ..and of course motivation..

    How did they measure all that? And how did they vary the motivation? or not

    I’ll read the paper completely and some of the stuff you sited.

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  130. on January 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm johnny five

    d1
    “Marriage tends to kill passion after awhile, for one thing because it gives the wife especially too much security with today’s divorce laws”, one can say, and mean it.

    yes, let’s argue rationally.
    with women.
    …about relationships. yes, let’s.

    while we’re at it, let’s argue rationally with pitbulls, since that’s the best way to tame pitbulls, don’tcha know?

    From this position floating the idea of a prenup that pretty much mimics living together in the event of a divorce is much easier

    “easier”?

    if it’s difficult for you to float the idea of a prenuptial agreement, you’re already toast, the rest of the act being mere shadow boxing.
    and that’s “act” in all three senses: behavior, theatre, and pretension.

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  131. on January 19, 2011 at 9:05 pm julian

    julian, um, sure… because attractiveness, hypergamy, etc. can all be measured on the same linear scale, right?

    I never said this.

    would it just kill you if i told you that the kind of woman who sees marriage as a direct exchange of attractiveness for money happens to be the same kind who sees fit to exit the contract as soon as it would be financially advantageous to do so?

    No it wouldn’t kill me because I am well aware of this and it wasn’t the point I was trying to make.

    and if i told you that money is a nice ancillary factor, but that the true exchanges are, one, money vs. home-and-hearth contributions

    Agreed and I feel this is a fair exchange between men and women. Unfortunately, in America in 2011 it’s increasingly difficult to find a woman who will be happy in such an arrangement. Which is why my advice is to go to another country and stay there.

    male atavistic sexual stimulation vs. female atavistic sexual stimulation?

    To an extent but doesn’t tell the whole story. Even if it was wouldn’t that mean such a woman would have to be more objectively attractive than you are so as to maintain that “stimulation” in you ? Many on this blog have said that even the hottest most sexually adept women get boring. Sad, but true.

    but it can’t buy hot sex… sex that’s hot in mind, in body, and in soul. never could. never will. sorry boss.

    I never said it could.

    the other problem with guys like you is that you don’t ask nearly enough of what you should ask for your money, which is responsible stewardship of home and hearth. instead, you rubes would, it seems, be perfectly content with trading all that money for a pretty face, and usually sans passion at that.

    This is not me nor was it what I was advocating. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

    My question is simple:

    If women are naturally hypergamous and are seeking a mate who is higher than her in status, money, looks and intelligence what is a fair trade for a man ? What is his best move ? Let’s say he brings money, passion, status, intelligence and average looks to the table; what shall he require of the woman so that:

    a) her hypergamous impulse is for the most part sated
    b) he feels he got a fair deal in the process

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  132. on January 19, 2011 at 9:08 pm julian

    “julian, um, sure… because attractiveness, hypergamy, etc. can all be measured on the same linear scale, right?”

    I never said this.

    “would it just kill you if i told you that the kind of woman who sees marriage as a direct exchange of attractiveness for money happens to be the same kind who sees fit to exit the contract as soon as it would be financially advantageous to do so ?”

    No it wouldn’t kill me because I am well aware of this and it wasn’t the point I was trying to make.”

    “and if i told you that money is a nice ancillary factor, but that the true exchanges are, one, money vs. home-and-hearth contributions”

    Agreed and I feel this is a fair exchange between men and women. Unfortunately, in America in 2011 it’s increasingly difficult to find a woman who will be happy in such an arrangement. Which is why my advice is to go to another country and stay there.

    “male atavistic sexual stimulation vs. female atavistic sexual stimulation?”

    To an extent but doesn’t tell the whole story. Even if it was wouldn’t that mean such a woman would have to be more objectively attractive than you are so as to maintain that “stimulation” in you ? Many on this blog have said that even the hottest most sexually adept women get boring. Sad, but true.

    “but it can’t buy hot sex… sex that’s hot in mind, in body, and in soul. never could. never will. son. ”

    I never said it could.

    “the other problem with guys like you is that you don’t ask nearly enough of what you should ask for your money, which is responsible stewardship of home and hearth. instead, you rubes would, it seems, be perfectly content with trading all that money for a pretty face, and usually sans passion at that.”

    This is not me nor was it what I was advocating. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

    My question is simple:

    If women are naturally hypergamous and are seeking a mate who is higher than her in status, money, looks and intelligence what is a fair trade for a man ? What is his best move ? Let’s say he brings money, passion, status, intelligence and average looks to the table; what shall he require of the woman so that:

    a) her hypergamous impulse is for the most part sated
    b) he feels he got a fair deal in the process

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  133. on January 19, 2011 at 9:11 pm xsplat

    Science

    The point of life is to procreate, thats why we have all these brain cells and can do all this cool shit, its all designed around passing on our genes.

    Not sure if anyone would be interested in this philosophical nitpicking, but life has no point – the brains that tell us it does are tricking us into thinking that it does. Functionally the same thing as saying life has a point, but philosophically different. Meaning is a mental construct – biology itself has no meaning.

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  134. on January 19, 2011 at 9:16 pm xsplat

    Sidewinder

    Science,

    You’re just describing a pretty weak psychological award. Your organism is not receiving any physical benefit to passing its genes on. And its really just a pure fantasy reward because you will not be around to know if your genes are the lucky new “adam” to start your new fantasy civilization. But by investing yourself in raising children, and instilling values and character traits that will make it likely that THEY will also reproduce and pass along this cumulative knowledge, you do receive the psychological benefit of actually contributing to something.

    You are both wrong. And right. The cad strategy is biologically primed, as is the invested dad strategy.

    You are arguing about which holds more reward or meaning, which is a pretty stupid conversation to be had, really. There is no reward and no meaning – it’s all a brain illusion.

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  135. on January 19, 2011 at 9:18 pm desiderius

    lover,

    “Step back 100 yards and your perspective changes”

    He already has, and then some.

    He agrees with you more than you know or he can admit.

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  136. on January 19, 2011 at 9:22 pm Begby

    Julian there is no answer to that question, that’s why it keeps getting ignored. There is not much in it for the guy to maintain hand with a woman who is beneath his status, unless he literally is a pimp and she is bringing home thousands of dollars a week.

    People trying to defend marriage are just protecting their sense of sunk costs. They have no way out so they have to convince themselves they made the right choice.

    Yeah driving my BMW is nice too and I really “love” it, but I will still want to trade the damn thing in a few years from now when it starts making funny noises and the upholstery gets worn out.

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  137. on January 19, 2011 at 9:38 pm Science

    @xsplat

    I get the postmodernist “nothing matters” point of view, but the fact is that we are machines made to make more of ourselves. we’re self-replicating chemicals at the core; if there is any meaning at all for existence, thats it. “meaning” not in the anthropocentric sense of “humans are here for this”, but in the sense of “this is why we evolved and why we exist in the form we do”.

    all this machinery that surrounds our basic chemistry, like our brains and bodies… thats just there because our ancestors with that particular machinery were better at replicating than the simple RNA strands floating in fat bubbles that we originally were. So if there is a real objective “why” for existence… it’s to replicate.

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  138. on January 19, 2011 at 9:45 pm xsplat

    Lover of Children

    So you could be bangin 8, 9, 10′s at 84 years old pumped up on Cialis and selective memories of your past.

    For that to be important to a man in his 80′s shows a life that was lived wide but not deep …and purpose and wisdom completely missed.

    The women we bang can be taken on as family and become deeply bonded to. A man can find deep pleasurable satisfying meaning without kids.

    This 2 dimensional cartoon notion of pussy as a moist hole is a childish strawman.

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  139. on January 19, 2011 at 9:50 pm Anonymous

    It is not hard:

    Kids are wonderful.

    Marriage sucks.

    Do whatever, Dude.

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  140. on January 19, 2011 at 9:52 pm xsplat

    Science, I think you are missing my distinction. Doesn’t much matter, it’s only philosophy. You are imputing meaning onto atoms – saying that they self replicate for a reason – a human reason. You are conflating the mental world of ideas – the only sphere in which the notion of why and meaning arises, with the biological, chemical, and atomic worlds, where mathematical rules govern all interactions.

    Yes, we are self replicating power structures. THAT is not meaningful. We impute meaning onto it, because that is an advantage to they function of self replicating.

    But I’m fine with that – I’m not actually a nihilist. Yes, it’s a dream, but it’s a fine dream, and finding meaning is important for some people.

    I’m glad that I prefer truth over meaning, as that gives me cognitive advantages and helps to avoid cognitive dissonance. I get to see a bigger picture without squirming about all the facts that conflict with my desired narrative.

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  141. on January 19, 2011 at 9:57 pm Girly Girl

    I bet anything that the majority of those arguing against marriage did not grow up in a stable, loving two parent household.

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  142. on January 19, 2011 at 10:00 pm n/a

    At dinner with some rich men and their wives. One of the more pampered and excitable housecats, an excellent and mischievous hostess, brought up Berlusconi’s taste for young whores. It was disgusting to hear grown men mince out words like “creepy” to describe that fine old lecher. And upthread, even here, some fool whines about Hef. As if even one escaping the net is not to be tolerated.

    Every one of these men has the money to keep a teenaged beauty in spa-cosseted bliss in NYC. And yet they believed Berlusconi was, as one of them put it, a “monster.” How can this be? How can it happen that men no longer crave sweet, young pussy?

    This used to bother me; it bothered me a great deal. Then a few years back it hit, as Kurtz would have it, like a diamond bullet right through my forehead, and I realized: most men could give a shit about fucking, the physical glories of it, or about female beauty, and the unbearable smooth dewiness of a young girl.

    This hostess is plump and passed it but she understands – as all women do – that there is no sweetness on earth more obliterating than satisfied lust. It might surprise you how few men feel this way.

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  143. on January 19, 2011 at 10:00 pm desiderius

    “I bet anything that the majority of those arguing against marriage did not grow up in a stable, loving two parent household.”

    Yep, yep – but that is less and less the norm.

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  144. on January 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm lover of women

    xsplat ..lover of children ..lol ..not since i was 14 ..but thanks

    think u got my point ..it was Hefner man ..Hefner

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  145. on January 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm xsplat

    Begby “People trying to defend marriage are just protecting their sense of sunk costs. ”

    He he. Ya, it’s pretty funny, in a sad way. Guys having sex with young attractive women are doing it wrong! He he.

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  146. on January 19, 2011 at 10:10 pm lover of women

    n/a – refute any idea I wrote ..show it to be foolish ..in anyway ..

    there’s a diff between a vampire and a man…

    Hefner’s a lost doush ..the women there laugh at him..and not just recently

    ..Berlusconi is not..and I dont think anyone’s laughing..when he calls they come..and kneel

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  147. on January 19, 2011 at 11:07 pm Mr. C

    ” ” Women are taught by our culture that they are naturally monogamous for the right “soul mate” or “true love”. As a corollary it’s allowed that if they no longer feel exclusively attracted to their husband, or even that sexually compellingly attracted, just comfortable (which can vary with coming to no longer lying to herself realization not long after a babies rabies marriage or birth, to a number of years later as passion fades), that they feel they have a free pass to “follow their hearts” or “follow their instincts” and divorce, or cheat and then divorce.

    Men are taught in feminist America that they’re dogs and will always be attracted to other women, but that if they make a marriage commitment, they should devote body and soul and resources to honoring that commitment, and not wanting to leave their family, regardless of their diminished, or enormously diminished attraction, if truth be told, to their aging and often porking wives.

    If this isn’t misandry, what is? ” ”

    Agreed , its a loaded dice and it’s loaded against men.

    That is why men have to learn to play the game better than women.

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  148. on January 19, 2011 at 11:14 pm flyingsquirrel

    n/a: I suspect the reason those rich pussies hate on Hef is not that Hef is a lecher, rather it is that they are jealous of him.

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  149. on January 19, 2011 at 11:17 pm "Great" Britain

    The Canadian National Newspaper: Survey suggest British women are among the most sexually active in the Western World

    The results of a recent survey in Britain have led to announcements that Brits, in particular young female ones, are amongst the most sexually active or ‘promiscuous’ (depending on your perspective) in the world.

    The survey of 2,000 young people by the magazine More has apparently found that young British women have more one-night stands than their peers in Australia, France, the Netherlands, Italy and America.

    It seems that traditional perceptions have been routed and young women in their 20s now have more sexual partners than their male counterparts.

    The new survey found that the average 21-year-old woman has had nine sexual partners, compared with men who on average have had seven and a quarter of the women questioned poll had slept with over 10 people, compared with a fifth of men.

    These women also admitted that they were not always faithful to their partners with half confessing to one incident, whereas a quarter had been cheated on by a boyfriend.

    The survey also revealed that many women take ‘huge risks’ with 38% admitting they do not use a condom with a new partner and 16% having caught a sexually transmitted disease — which has highlighted issues concerning sexual health with many young women.

    Most respondents say their sex life was not fulfilling enough — 13% are ‘disappointed’ and a further 10% admitting it was non-existent.

    The survey also revealed that few young women now adhere to traditional views on sexual morality and few were prepared to wait to be married before having sex and most had lost their virginity by age 16.

    Many were not in love with their first partner, and only one in three believes it is important to be in love with someone before having sex with them.

    The survey also found that 60% would be prepared to “kiss-and-tell”, and would sell their account of a one-night-stand with a famous person for £ 20,000 and four out of 10 said they would marry for money or sleep with their boss if it meant they would get promoted; a quarter would have an affair with a married man.

    …

    http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2009/01/03/02967.html

    So much for “Great” Britain, eh?!?

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  150. on January 19, 2011 at 11:20 pm T-Doggz

    “Given that mutually satisfying and loving sexual relationships have nothing to do with marriage, the game plan of women to get hitched and pregnant can often be postponed for years while their hearts are swaddled in the glow of love. ”

    You said it all right there. Women want the alpha sex guy and the beta provider. They trade sex for relationships and deny they’re doing that. It’s a lose lose scenario all around. It’s gonna blow up completely soon.

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  151. on January 19, 2011 at 11:35 pm xsplat

    T-Doggz “It’s gonna blow up completely soon.”

    I hear this sentiment often, but I’ve yet to hear it in a way that gives me any image in my mind. Blow up? How will that look?

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  152. on January 19, 2011 at 11:53 pm old guy

    My advise: Marry a woman with a big, juicy, luscious, sexy, net worth.

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  153. on January 19, 2011 at 11:55 pm DirkJohanson

    Why does a guy ever buy a wedding ring anymore?

    Chicks want to get married more than we do, if we want to say “I do” at all. So, we have nearly all the hand in that decision.

    It seems like it should be easy enough to tell a woman, “OK, I’ll marry you, but I’m not buying some expensive ring. Period. Or I just won’t marry you. Which do you prefer?!”

    Then, after the wedding, get her a cheap wedding-type ring just to keep as many guys from hitting on her.

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  154. on January 20, 2011 at 12:01 am Paul

    I’ve started watching Big Love. Very good series. Main character gives alpha lessons every episode.

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  155. on January 20, 2011 at 12:18 am Anon

    Come on Roissy(?). You know how marriage makes sense; it’s good for society. When a man needs to work a steady job so he can get a nice wife, a couple of kids, and a modest house, he’s going to work that steady job, and society is going to benefit. Of course, it also only make sense when women need to provide non-monetary benefits in exchange…

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  156. on January 20, 2011 at 12:30 am xsplat

    “When a man needs to work a steady job so he can get a nice wife, a couple of kids, and a modest house, he’s going to work that steady job, and society is going to benefit.”

    Can someone please explain to me why people working hard is a social benefit? While at the same time consumerism is a social problem?

    Why not just hang around the coconut trees, while the women are off working in the rice field?

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  157. on January 20, 2011 at 12:32 am xsplat

    Yes, Paul, Big Love is an excellent series. It shows exactly all the characteristics required to maintain a harem, and displays clearly all the downsides to taking on that job.

    And one can easily imagine how most men are not up to the task in either ability or motivation.

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  158. on January 20, 2011 at 12:47 am askjoe

    british women are also the fattest…at least in Europe. What to make of fatties with low self control and loose morals?

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  159. on January 20, 2011 at 1:15 am Alpha Cat

    Try asking a woman what benefits a man gets from marriage…. they can’t even fucking reply with an answer. Standard shit responses such as “you just haven’t met the right girl, you’ve been burned before, you don’t believe in love, yaddda yadda yaddda….” to avoid the real question. They simply cannot handle the truth.

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  160. on January 20, 2011 at 1:19 am Begby

    “Try asking a woman what benefits a man gets from marriage…. they can’t even fucking reply with an answer.”

    Every time I’ve asked this question they have just frozen up with a very brief look of horror flashing on their face, as if the ugly truth was finally seeing the light of day.

    Because of this, I think it’s a great deflection to use when women half-jokingly start pestering you about marriage. Shuts them up quick.

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  161. on January 20, 2011 at 1:21 am Stan

    Here is a woman whose experience completely confirms the accuracy of the Roissy world-view:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1348718/Online-dating-Single-white-female-seeks-losers.html

    It really is too late for her. At her age, she has 2 choices: lower her standards or stay single. Its harsh, but that is reality.

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  162. on January 20, 2011 at 1:22 am Anonymous

    wow. Hef is a satanist.
    he pays his girlfriends 2 gs a week to fuck him and live in his mansion.
    He is a creep.

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  163. on January 20, 2011 at 1:25 am Gregory Magarshak

    Roissy would eat this up:
    http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2010/02/new-negative-attraction-video?utm_source=email+sequence&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mpua+forum+mail+5&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonvK/fLqzsmxzEJ8/%2B6uorWLHr08Yy0EZ5VunJEUWy2YQJWoEnZ9mMBAQZC81x1Q1MCOGccolO/Q%3D%3D

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  164. on January 20, 2011 at 1:43 am Gorbachev

    @Anonymous
    wow. Hef is a satanist.
    he pays his girlfriends 2 gs a week to fuck him and live in his mansion.
    He is a creep.

    Hef is rich and old. So now he has to pay women to hang around and fuck him.

    Is any sackless dude going to bitch about how the guy’s a loser or a creep? Come on. Must be a troll or a retard. Not saying I’d take his approach, but nobody here can criticize it.

    – He banged more women in his time, all of them hot babes in the prime of their life, than most men have ever seen in real life. He was always surrounded by stunning beauty.

    – He did this while advertising the fact that he was an inveterate sexual lothario and playboy. He said: Fuck me, because I’ve banged every hot woman you’ve ever imagined.

    *And they did.*

    – More to the point, he made money off other men wanting to bang hot chicks. Many of whose pussies he got to plow.

    Any man who criticizes this is either a religious fundamentalist or jealous. Even if he’s a religious fundamentalist, he’s probably jealous, too. Most of those would love to have a little Patriarchal harem with 500 kids and subservient 17 year-old 7th wives doting on their withering, aging dick when they’re 65.

    There are reasons Hef isn’t an alpha.

    But he has every reason in the world not to give a shit what any dickless retard thinks.

    I say: he has to pay for hot chicks to hang out with him now. Well, … it all works.

    Every 70-year-old guy with the means frankly has the right to pull whatever ass he feels like. If he can get it up. Or even just to impress his friends. Who cares?

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  165. on January 20, 2011 at 1:50 am Paul

    @Anon,

    A lot of family values folks blame hollywood, etc for the change in sexual mores over the years. The rise of the beta provider state where your income increases as you pump out kids from dads whom you may not be able to identify plays perhaps a larger role. Consequently, women no longer need men to support them. Many good women put on a ring and start to change. This has happened since time immemorial. What is new is that leaving the man who doesn’t make them tingle so longer has dire consequences.

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  166. on January 20, 2011 at 2:10 am xsplat

    “What is new is that leaving the man who doesn’t make them tingle so longer has dire consequences.”

    Yes, Paul, people think that society is socially created, but that’s an illusion. Society is a reaction to opportunities.

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  167. on January 20, 2011 at 2:18 am College Grad

    The way I see it, Roissy doesn’t have to worry about issues of leaving legacies and contributing to the society and culture in which he lives…he accomplishes that with this blog. And while I wholly respect the basis of the Chateau’s pointed views toward marriage and procreation, those of us that are skeptical of but haven’t given up on those things are looking for advice in the wrong place. There will be no reconciliation to the “how can we be alpha but leave our legacy/genes with children and a family” because Roissy isn’t one of them. Obviously, our host’s lifestyle choice isn’t for everyone, but if this blog has taught me anything it’s that if you want something, get it. Just know what you’re in for.

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  168. on January 20, 2011 at 2:40 am Aging Alpha

    Don’t worry about getting older without a wife or children. I am 54 and very glad that I never married or had children. Whenever I overhear women talking about their husbands it makes me glad I am not a husband. Modern women have no respect for their husbands. I would hate to be treated that way. Much better to stay single.

    Most men my age are married or divorced. All of the ones that I have talked to regret that they ever married. They are either in unhappy marriages or have been thru divorce hell. Many are broke, and broken. For young men, the choice is clear: DON’T GET MARRIED. Just don’t do it. And don’t believe the female propaganda about being lonely, growing old alone, etc. For men it is not true.

    Remember, you are going to get old whether you are married or not. It is better to be old and single and have money than to be old and divorced and flat broke. And marriage does not prevent loneliness. It is better to be lonely and single than to be lonely and married to a shrew.

    For men, the mating game gets easier as you age. I can choose from among any number of desperate over-30 women who will soon hit the wall. But I want them a lot less than they want me.

    I prefer living alone. I enjoy the peace and quiet. I socialize when I feel like it. Most of the time I don’t. I have lots of money because I never wasted much on women. I was a “skittles” man before the term was coined. In fact, I never gave most of my girlfriends any gifts at all, let alone expensive ones. I have always pretended to be poorer than I am, to weed out the gold diggers. Give them game, give them negs, give them tingles, give them cock, but never give them money.

    Lately I’ve been amusing myself by looking up some of my old girlfriends on the internet. On facebook I found a girl I haven’t seen for over 20 years. When I met her she was 21 and I was 33, both at our ideal ages. (Women peak sooner than men.) We had fun for a while, then she started giving me ultimatums about marriage. I said ciao, baby. When she was 21 she was HOT. Today she’s 42, and is a bloated blimp. Gee, what if I’d married her? Ugh! Glad I’m not part of that picture. Much better to remember her as she was in 1989.

    Now excuse me, I’m gonna go listen to some 80’s music and reminisce for a while, then maybe go bang a cougar
    or two.

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  169. on January 20, 2011 at 2:49 am Konkvistador

    Perhaps excess fat tissue changes their hormonal balance.

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  170. on January 20, 2011 at 3:07 am Brad

    @Trimegistus: I couldn’t care less whether anyone mows the grass over my grave.

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  171. on January 20, 2011 at 4:23 am n/a

    @ lover of women,

    Sorry for calling you a fool. That was out of line.

    In any case my main point was not about Hefner or Berlusconi, it was about the surprising lack of libido in most men. This lack of fuck-hunger strikes me as *the* difference between men and women.

    I once thought all men were insatiably cuntstruck; but I now know it’s really only young men, and for a brief time in their lives.

    Women, however, are always ready, always hungry. It can kick in early or late, but once it does, a man who can flip their switches will be drenched.

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  172. on January 20, 2011 at 4:27 am Rarfy

    Excellent article, blogger. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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  173. on January 20, 2011 at 4:29 am gl0wskull

    For all those guys dead set on marriage and children, know this fact…

    I’m going to fuck your wives. In the throat. I don’t care how much relationship game you think you can spit, it will only buy you a limited amount of time AT BEST.

    And for desert, I’m going to fuck your daughters. In the ass.

    Have fun guys, I know I will be!

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  174. on January 20, 2011 at 4:30 am Rarfy

    “…Roissy doesn’t have to worry about issues of leaving legacies…”

    Legacies are for suckers. Either way you’re dead meat.

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  175. on January 20, 2011 at 6:44 am The LP 999

    Re; the mommy blog – this blog ain’t anything like that like.

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  176. on January 20, 2011 at 7:00 am Losing A Few Good Ones « Citizen Renegade « The LP 72980/The LP 999 Blog

    […] Losing A Few Good Ones « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  177. on January 20, 2011 at 8:30 am MACHO CAMACHO

    CHECK THIS OUT GENTS –

    “NURSE HAS SEX WITH DYING PATIENT – BANNED FROM NURSING FOR 20 YEARS”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20028760-504083.html

    Out of control estrogen, boys. Par for the course. If a man had done this to a female patient, he’d be executed. Kupcake will be re-instated probably in 3 years after an appeal. In the meanwhile, she’ll pose for Playboy.

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  178. on January 20, 2011 at 8:36 am MACHO CAMACHO

    Oh yeah, the kicker is the dying guy tried to commit suicide 2 days after their tryst – because she informed him that she was pregnant by another man!

    If anyone mocks this blog, just *smile.* Hypergamy, cold-hearted amoral behavior, multiple kids from multiple gang-bangers…

    Guess it’s all there, huh?

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  179. on January 20, 2011 at 8:44 am Jesse

    The woman who does not want children is an abomination.

    She has denied the one essential impulse that makes her a woman, and from which all the elements of her womanhood are defined.

    To attempt a long-term relationship with such a woman would be a miserable impossibility.

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  180. on January 20, 2011 at 8:53 am MACHO CAMACHO

    Here’s another one to sober the young guy-fools up –

    BRETT FAVRE’S SISTER BUSTED FOR METH

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10006301.html

    Check out this Kupcake – she’s 34 years old, going on 74….

    Man oh man…..

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  181. on January 20, 2011 at 10:55 am dontmarry

    “But there is good news. A nontrivial number of sexy women have no interest in marriage, or are ambivalent about the enterprise. These women, despite media brainwashing to the contrary, do exist, and you can find them.”

    A man who does not want to marry can still string along some marriage-minded chicks. It is not a must for him to date a chick who also does not want marriage.

    Get out when the marriage-minded chick’s looks start to slip, or starts to nag about ‘commitment’ and assorted nonsense. Of course, keep your sperm tightly guarded against those broads deliriously infected with baby rabies. Alternatively, don’t bang them at all.

    Usually, just the declaration that you, a man, does not want marriage will impress women (and even men). Some will conclude you have options. Others will be intrigued, or ask why?

    Still others, especially the women, will think she has the magic golden vagina (or knows someone who does) to get you to change your mind.

    Lastly, men should also avoid cohabitation. The laws are making cohabitation seem more and more like de facto marriage – subject also to marriage laws. You do not need to live together to have sex.

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  182. on January 20, 2011 at 11:02 am bictopia

    Roissy, what if some ex of yours got pregnant and you have a kid you don’t know about? Did that scenario have an opportunity to occur?

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  183. on January 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm Melia

    Chateau posts have taken on a weird, sentimental tone of late.

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  184. on January 20, 2011 at 12:33 pm MACHO CAMACHO

    Boys, it’s getting DANGEROUS live in the States now.

    Check this site:

    http://www.change.org

    Rabid, Big-Daddy Government Loving, furious modern bitches looking to castrate the closest nearby man.

    Not good.

    Time to start scopin’ luggage and packing up….

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  185. on January 20, 2011 at 1:07 pm The LP 999

    @ Jesse, correct – it is abomination for us women to remain childless. However, its is nearly impossible to make a marriage work in 2011. I am still single and have accepted it. western ideals have rejected my pro family vision so I am reduced to tax payer-worker bee girl. That is life.

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  186. on January 20, 2011 at 1:13 pm The LP 999

    Whether we believe biochemistry is God, religious values come first or just want a big family. It ain’t gonna happen for any of us. This is post America.

    Where are the men and women going 2 find jobs to support their kids?

    What kind of schools are there? You have to homeschool.

    Do you want your daughter growing up a whore with a cell phone?

    Do you want your son’s future being ruined b/c of affirmative action?

    It ain’t working and it ain’t worth it.

    Let the birthrate continue to plummet see what of a country you have left!

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  187. on January 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm Doug1

    Anon

    Come on Roissy(?). You know how marriage makes sense; it’s good for society. When a man needs to work a steady job so he can get a nice wife, a couple of kids, and a modest house, he’s going to work that steady job, and society is going to benefit.

    Yeah well then society had better change the rules back to ones more attractive to provider husbands, if they don’t want to see more and more men refuse to get married.

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  188. on January 20, 2011 at 1:28 pm chi-town

    The only thing that comes to mind with Hef is that he paid women from out of their own ass. It reminds me of Fight Club soap. Sell their own ass back to them by becoming a proxy of their own vanity.

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  189. on January 20, 2011 at 1:40 pm Firepower

    Lupo Leboucher

    Firepower: “I’ve met only 3 women in 4 years who I would even consider bestowing with such an honor.

    The killer is: I truly believe raising a child in this Puss-ocracy we once called America could only bring pain and regret.”

    That many? I think I’ve met one, in my entire life. And I wasn’t physically attracted to her.

    I won’t argue with you on the pain and regret line though. This place is a real mess.

    I’m only fortunate in that I’m not 23 and go out a lot, so I meet a lot of women.

    I agree fully with you and note, that the mess is getting worse, so finding quality women will become rarer, like finding a diamond in a played-out mine.

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  190. on January 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm Anton

    @ xsplat

    “Can someone please explain to me why people working hard is a social benefit?”

    Yes. Without some people working hard there would be no Xboxes, PlayStations or micro-breweries.

    Like your posts, keep ’em up…and must be nice not to suffer from any illusions…

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  191. on January 20, 2011 at 1:45 pm Anton

    In fact, how about a new blog featuring xsplat, gorbachev and doug1?

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  192. on January 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm chi-town

    “I once thought all men were insatiably cuntstruck; but I now know it’s really only young men, and for a brief time in their lives.”

    80% of women reproduced while 40% of the men did so historically. What does that tell you? Which part of the road can you close down? The bottle neck?

    Women have much more pressure to reproduce over their life time while for men its contextual. They are certainly more opportunistic ; but, over a life time, are much more likely to be diverted because his exploits may have utility for the species. In the extreme case, worker bees are sterile. So considering who among our species can afford to be “relieved” of mating duties, its going to be more men because it only took 40% to get here. However when this opportunity occurs, males who are active in this “duty” preform it vigorously.

    Thus the dynamic is male frustration seeking relief during fleeting opportunities verse a female constant pressure. Thats why all women can ever talk about is family. Nature cannot afford to keep the bottle neck idle. We end up with fickle sluts not to be mistaken for frigid disinterest. Men as a sex overall are far less fixated on reproduction, though as it is, it tends to center around the initial phases of it.

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  193. on January 20, 2011 at 1:59 pm askjoe

    Damn, so who could’ve predicted that Jesse James would go from banging pron stars to becoming a repeat offender marrying man?

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  194. on January 20, 2011 at 2:10 pm duxbury

    this isn’t rocket science… only marry if you are seriously hitting above your weight class. that is the negotiation.. I’ll settle, but you’d better be 10-15 years younger, a 9-10, genuine affection, you slept with 0-2 other guys. If you aren’t 7 figs, she’d bettter bring some earning potential to the equation.

    Under those terms, marriage and children are acceptable and declining that option is the surest indicator of a nihilist / narcissist personality type. May you die alone in your retirement home (with no visitors), barren, staring at your porn… which got boring 40 years ago. May you look in envy at the other 95 year old, in the bed beside you, with a dozen children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, huddled beside him wishing him good fortune and for a lifetime of blessing.

    The bottom line is that chasing tail loses its glimmer as time goes on and building a family and a legacy becomes more important.

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  195. on January 20, 2011 at 2:17 pm Doug1

    In 2007 wives earned more than men in 22% of marriages in America.

    In 2007 97% of alimony paid was paid to ex wives by ex husbands.

    That’s gender equity in America.

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  196. on January 20, 2011 at 2:19 pm Taylor

    If you want to get married, get out. Get out of the United States.

    There are only two kinds of men left here. Men…and women.

    The dating scene is a black hole here in the U.S. It contains nothing and will suck the life right out of you.

    If you want to get married, get going NOW.

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  197. on January 20, 2011 at 2:22 pm Anton

    See what I mean?

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  198. on January 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm Doug1

    Gorbachev–

    Is the kids thing something you two are thinking of any time soon? I think you said she’s 27, but that was about 6 months ago. You’re about a decade older if I recall right.

    Say you wouldn’t consider marriage without living together as a trial run — if that isn’t already happening.

    Yes, but then I know what she’ll say: how it’s stability, how it celebrates love, how it cements a family, …

    For her to want to have the right to Mass. lifetime alimony when divorces are no fault and she’s more likely to be the one to end the marriage by far (statistics show) if anyone is, is deeply gold diggerish in this feminist age.

    With a prenup it’s clearly not commitment you’re avoiding, but one way commitment given the way the laws and family court decisions have changed, all against men in divorce, especially in Mass.

    Man up Gorby.

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  199. on January 20, 2011 at 2:42 pm Dan

    I don’t see all the fuss about passing on one’s genes. The age of the gene is coming to an end. Genetic engineering, cyborgs, AI, etc… are on their way. We are seeing the rise of a new replicating unit, the meme.

    Ever read The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins? Natural selection isn’t competition between individuals, it’s competition between genes. Your body and mind are merely ways for your genes to copy themselves.

    When I first started learning about biology and evolution, I became obsessed with passing on my genes. I believed that the more offspring I sired, the more successful of a human being I was. Reading the Selfish Gene got me out of that.

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  200. on January 20, 2011 at 2:49 pm Anton

    @Doug1
    In 2007 wives earned more than men in 22% of marriages in America.

    In 2007 97% of alimony paid was paid to ex wives by ex husbands.

    That’s gender equity in America.
    ———————————————————–

    I have no doubt this is true.

    But I have a woman friend who divorced a couple of years ago and was required to pay alimony. She had a good job, and her husband was retired (and hid a lot of his actual wealth from the court). Also, she was twenty years younger than her husband.

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  201. on January 20, 2011 at 2:57 pm too late for romance

    Who says you have to stay in America? Or maintain your citizenship?

    Your ancestors at one point said “fuck this place because all I’m getting out of this is fucked” and came to America. Why don’t you do the same?

    The world is your oyster if you have the desire and willingness to sacrifice to get the right skillset(s). Check out a dozen countries’ immigration/visa websites and note the commonalities among which skills are in need. Then proceed accordingly.

    Or not.

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  202. on January 20, 2011 at 3:16 pm Timothy

    I don’t see the problem with Hugh Hefner. While I couldn’t envision his lifestyle for myself (it is out of the norm), I certainly don’t see him as beta. He’s been married a couple of times now and has children (his first marriage produced Christie, who up until a couple of years ago ran the day-to-day operations of Playboy Enterprises), and his second marriage produced two sons, Cooper and Marston, who he sees probably every day because after he and his second wife separated, then divorced, she simply moved to a house he owned next to the mansion (so much for her seeking independence, huh? She never wandered off the grounds of the mansion). While I think it’s pointless for him to marry again (he just announced his engagement to another hot, young piece), more power to him. In between his marriages, he’s managed to get hot, young things to fuck him at his pleasure. He even gets them to SHARE him amongst themselves. That’s some alpha shit if I’ve ever seen it. He’s older than dirt, yet still runs shit with women. He finds ’em beautiful, not too smart (they can’t be too bright if they sign on for THAT arrangement – essentially living in a high-class sorority and sharing a boyfriend), and when he’s done with them, they get changed out for some new ones. He even recently regained full control of his empire. His oldest child was involved with the family business, and now when the time comes he can pass it on to his sons without issue. The man has lived his life largely on his own terms – isn’t that a lot of what we’re talking about here?

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  203. on January 20, 2011 at 3:19 pm Schmoe

    Sort of along these lines:
    http://www.cracked.com/article_18970_5-ways-video-games-are-about-to-get-way-more-f2340kable.html
    Sexbot update.

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  204. on January 20, 2011 at 3:25 pm Gorbachev

    @Doug1

    Gorbachev–

    Is the kids thing something you two are thinking of any time soon? I think you said she’s 27, but that was about 6 months ago. You’re about a decade older if I recall right.

    Say you wouldn’t consider marriage without living together as a trial run — if that isn’t already happening.

    We’re a few months into the trial run. So far, so good – happy.


    Yes, but then I know what she’ll say: how it’s stability, how it celebrates love, how it cements a family, …

    For her to want to have the right to Mass. lifetime alimony when divorces are no fault and she’s more likely to be the one to end the marriage by far (statistics show) if anyone is, is deeply gold diggerish in this feminist age.

    With a prenup it’s clearly not commitment you’re avoiding, but one way commitment given the way the laws and family court decisions have changed, all against men in divorce, especially in Mass.

    Man up Gorby.

    There’s zero chance I’d ever get married without a prenup and a pretty clear and enforceable one. But this state is the People’s Republic, so who knows.

    NO marriage any time soon. I’m still enjoying the perks.

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  205. on January 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm SV Warrior

    Wrote this in June

    http://siliconvalleywarrior.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/political-correctness-and-the-giving-of-sperm/

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  206. on January 20, 2011 at 3:50 pm old guy

    @Doug1

    “but say or have as backstory to eventually say that you could only feel commitment to a girl that only wanted you.”

    Excellent !

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  207. on January 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm Timothy

    “Try asking a woman what benefits a man gets from marriage…they can’t even fucking reply with an answer.”

    No kidding. Women don’t think about marriage in terms of how it benefits her intended. She thinks about how happy marriage will make HER. She thinks about how beautiful she’ll be in her wedding dress. She thinks about her cute future kids, and how perfect her marriage will be. A man is just an accessory. They may as well just use a cardboard cut-out of him. Once she achieves her goal of kids and a house, she no longer needs him, and she knows she’ll get the kids and that house, and he’ll have to help pay for it all after he gets kicked out.

    Sure, some women may have that natural maternal thing – that burning need to have children. But the other side of it is children make women feel needed. They believe they are better at caring for children simply because they are women. Children are also the hammer they use against men. Children are the things that get them paid. The only things a woman can do for a child that a man can’t is carry one to term, give birth, and breast feed. Biological functions. There’s nothing else a man can’t do just as well for or with his children. A man’s fitness as a parent doesn’t matter in custody issues. Custody is determined by a MOTHER’S fitness, or lack thereof. Unless she’s a crack addicted hooker, that turns tricks IN FRONT OF the kids, she’ll get custody, no matter how fit a man is.

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  208. on January 20, 2011 at 6:07 pm Timothy

    “…I could not envision any scenario where I could be happy without living in the same house as my kids and seeing them every morning and night.” Sidewinder

    This is the crux of my dilemma with regards to marriage and kids. I’ve actually said these EXACT words to friends when discussing this, my greatest fear. And it’s inevitable that you’ll end up not tucking them in and waking them up the next day. It’s just a matter of how long you’ll get to enjoy this.

    “…I had an epiphany: women pursue professional degrees as a hobby and as a way to meet future high-status males, without regard to actually using the knowledge imparted by their programs to earn a living in the future since they are confident they will have future access to the high status males that will always serve as their financial safety net…” Kid Nate

    You caught this earlier than I did, while you are still in college. I was well into my adult life before I picked up on this. No matter how intelligent or educated a woman is, when they’re together, they don’t talk about anything of importance. They talk about men/relationships, or some pop culture nonsense. PERIOD. When women first began going to college, their parents sent them pretty much to find a future husband. Then they began to more focus on their own careers, so they would postpone marriage until a little later, and work and support themselves for a few years. But they still didn’t stop looking for that future husband with the great pedigree. I know too many women that are more than willing to “give up” their careers to start having kids and quit working when they find that earner that can keep them living well without the second salary. A few years ago the New York Times did a story on women that went to Ivy league schools, yet had no desire to enter the job force after graduation – they wanted to marry and start families. Universal scorn was heaped upon them. If they didn’t want to work, why go to an expensive Ivy league school? You went into debt…for what? Working women attacked, accusing them of frittering away opportunities other women fought for. That they took a seat that a more deserving student would have put to better use. You can imagine some of the other attacks. To an extent, women definitely view education differently than men do.

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  209. on January 20, 2011 at 6:48 pm Begby

    I learned in the last few years how true it is about women faking at college and career just until they land a high-status man to trap into marriage. It’s the equivalent of the ‘half-reach’ for the dinner check – it gives her plausible deniability so she can convince herself she’s an equal. It also gives her a way to blame the man, years down the road, for “forcing” her to sacrifice her career or some such nonsense, after she chooses to drop out. All the more money for her in the alimony settlement.

    The bigger and better the degree she gets, the higher alphas she is exposed to in the workplace.

    This fact explains why women in the workplace are often so insufferable and incompetent. They have short-timer’s syndrome, knowing they won’t even need a job a couple years down the road.

    I wonder how many schlubs out there are paying off their new bride’s expensive student loans while she sits around watching TV?

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  210. on January 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm walawala

    @Gorby….in the PRC, men are generally soaked dry in divorce even thought it’s quite easy to get one there.

    The family will demand “compensation”.

    In Hong Kong the courts have a more fair system. It’s a splitting of the assets at the time of the marriage PLUS…whatever she can soak from you.

    If you have no kids and no house, you get off lightly like I did.

    But in “Greater China” marriage is seen more as a business venture between families with the woman’s family seeing “the man” fulfill his obligations ie: pay for everything.

    This is changing. Many women don’t hold this view. But they are rare.

    But women are quite up front about it, so it’s easy to weed them out early.

    If you don’t have that conversation or it’s not brought up early….that marriage question becomes an ongoing shit-test.

    Best to play it straight early here and cut that discussion off early.

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  211. on January 20, 2011 at 7:33 pm Anonymous

    Timothy said: ” ‘Try asking a woman what benefits a man gets from marriage…they can’t even fucking reply with an answer.’ No kidding. Women don’t think about marriage in terms of how it benefits her intended. She thinks about how happy marriage will make HER.”

    F*ck yeah! I’ve just been divorced (final!) because my wife found I “don’t need” her– and she’s already been “used” by some guy who did (for one thing, until that “didn’t work out”) and pines after him in the interim… apparently that’s “romance” I couldn’t provide. Meanwhile, looking myself, I’ve lost out on an eligble women for whom I could have feelings to a reappearing on-again,-off-again boyfriend she “really love[s]” who would’ve made it official (“I do,” the short version) if a periodic need to “see other people” (repeatedly) wasn’t enough for him. And we’re all in our 40s… this’s f*cking sick, I though I left all this sh*t back in junior high. Women have lost their cotton-pickin’ minds.

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  212. on January 20, 2011 at 8:44 pm Doug1

    Begby–

    I wonder how many schlubs out there are paying off their new bride’s expensive student loans while she sits around watching TV?

    Never cosign for a wife (or other ltr’s) student loans. Don’t pay them directly. If she’s a stay at home mom with young kids, giver her money for various things (but never your paycheck, separate accounts), and she can pay the loan from that or from whatever money she has.

    This is another reason for a prenup. Her student loans are her separate obligation, and if she leaves you, or you her, she’s on the hook, not partly or more than partly you.

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  213. on January 20, 2011 at 8:48 pm Doug1

    walawala

    @Gorby….in the PRC, men are generally soaked dry in divorce even thought it’s quite easy to get one there.

    The family will demand “compensation”.

    Is this still the case if she’s the one that want’s the divorce?

    Is it a no fault divorce, and financial settlement, system?

    Is male adultery both culturally and legally enough for divorce, if he hasn’t abandoned his family in any significant way?

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  214. on January 20, 2011 at 9:36 pm bringthemovies

    My plan? I have US citizenship. I was born in Ukraine. Go there and set up a business. Do something there. The social rules say the man owns the day. Live there. If shit hits the fan, go to US.

    Thoughts?

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  215. on January 20, 2011 at 9:55 pm Captain Obvious

    T-Doggz: It’s gonna blow up completely soon.

    xsplat: I hear this sentiment often, but I’ve yet to hear it in a way that gives me any image in my mind. Blow up? How will that look?

    A: Detroit.

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  216. on January 20, 2011 at 10:09 pm Doug1

    purana–

    If so, so what for god’s sake? Spoken as a confirmed rarely attending Episcopalian. With a Catholic gorgeous live in 20 or so years younger gf who’s church I’ve gone to more recently, for her social reasons basically. But mainly in the summers and shoulder seasons at our summer place.

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  217. on January 20, 2011 at 10:12 pm Doug1

    Well mine. But I share it with her and make her feel it hers too.

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  218. on January 20, 2011 at 10:53 pm And Balls

    “sexy” girls trying to be like men

    http://wildgorillaman.blogspot.com/

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  219. on January 20, 2011 at 11:01 pm Toby

    as far as I’m a fan of game and your ideas on it, Roissy, I could not agree with you on not having children. you yourself is a child of your father. if he agreed with you on not having kids you would not be around to be the Roissy you are now..

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  220. on January 20, 2011 at 11:05 pm The End

    Gentlemen,

    DO NOT GET MARRIED. There is no man in modern history who has ever made out in a divorce. The feminists have made sure that the law is stacked against men. Even if hornbook law is on your side, a judge will still screw you. Why? Because you are man. Opt out of that shit.

    If for some reason you feel compelled to still get married, get an iron clad prenup. Or better yet, just have kids without getting married. That way, if you keep your finances separate, you can at least walk away with what is rightfully yours. (Minus the baby tax of course).

    In these strange days being a man means you are a second class citizen in the eyes of the state. The only way to avoid the pitfalls of the system is not to play within the rules of the system.

    Get a vasectomy. Keep your money in precious metals in a safe deposit box. Buy guns and ammo. Just, for the love of all things sacred, don’t get married, don’t have children, and don’t play into the system. That is unless you want to lose half you paycheck for 18 years and never want to see the kid you sired.

    The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

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  221. on January 20, 2011 at 11:25 pm Truth to Power

    “…Just, for the love of all things sacred, don’t get married, don’t have children, and don’t play into the system. …”

    This is exactly what the Marxist social engineers of the New World Order want for good, decent men to precisely not do: REPRODUCE THEMSELVES.

    A classic “Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don’t” conundrum given to us by the ‘brightest’ minds that the NWO can recruit and brainwash – the New World Orderlies.

    Goodbye civilization…, hello Brazilia 😦

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  222. on January 20, 2011 at 11:45 pm The End

    @Truth to Power

    Don’t get me wrong, I completely get what you are saying. Yes, it is the logical conclusion the social engineers of old were pushing.

    But, the war is lost. It was lost many years before I was even born. There is no sense in fighting it anymore. If you live in the here and now you might as well reap the advantages of a dying civilization instead of playing into its decay. Just hold on and enjoy the ride. But, maybe get a big gun because when SHTF its going to get fun.

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  223. on January 20, 2011 at 11:49 pm Toby

    The End,

    The war isn’t lost yet for you guys in the west. You need to start a revolution and bring things back to where it was before: when feminism is not the ruler of your world

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  224. on January 21, 2011 at 12:12 am Rum

    Contemporary marriage laws and modern American women may be, as charged, so completely deranged that if they are combined together the result is a chalice of poison of which no intelligent man should ever be tempted to drink. It is certainly the way to bet, imho.
    But, dammit, somewhere along my path I got a kid. It is not all bad. She is amazing.
    Banging 9-10s is Gods work, to be sure. But seeing your own kid turn into a 9-10 is, somehow, beyond that.
    Berlusconi (who is a serious candidate for Alpha Male of the Modern Era) – for having smoking hot 20 somethings bloody-ing each other for a chance on his carosel when he is in his 70s – nonetheless has a couple of incandescently hot daughters.
    If I was forced to make a guess, I would go with the daughter thing as the main source of his contentment as he contemplates his life as a whole.

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  225. on January 21, 2011 at 12:13 am Rum

    purana

    You can’t even spell a fish.

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  226. on January 21, 2011 at 12:57 am xsplat

    duxbury

    only marry if you are seriously hitting above your weight class. that is the negotiation.. I’ll settle, but you’d better be 10-15 years younger, a 9-10, genuine affection, you slept with 0-2 other guys.

    The last time I was considering marriage was about three months ago. She is 23 years younger, was a virgin, an 8 or 9 (most would say 9), and hugely romantic and affectionate.

    The sex sucked, so that was a dealbreaker. I still see the kid though.

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  227. on January 21, 2011 at 1:45 am Mr. C

    A man in love is incomplete until he has married.
    Then he’s finished.

    – Zsa Zsa Gabor

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  228. on January 21, 2011 at 7:34 am HarmonicaFTW

    German bitch dies after subjecting herself to multiple breast operations. Germans blame the doctors, not the dumb woman.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12249452

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  229. on January 21, 2011 at 8:19 am Audrey

    Dougie Boy

    purana–

    If so, so what for god’s sake? Spoken as a confirmed rarely attending Episcopalian. With a Catholic gorgeous live in 20 or so years younger gf who’s church I’ve gone to more recently, for her social reasons basically. But mainly in the summers and shoulder seasons at our summer place.

    Did some body ask for all this um, background information?? Lol

    I know a lot of guys who feel like they have to prove themselves all the time, but I think you’re the only one who thinks you have to *create* opportunities to prove yourself all the time, in situation’s where its not even remotely relevant.

    At least, how “specific” your comments are about random stuff like this, shines a pretty good light on the *lack* of specific comments about, oh say, you’re actual escapades with women?

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  230. on January 21, 2011 at 8:38 am walawala

    @Doug

    In Hong Kong:

    Is this still the case if she’s the one that want’s the divorce?
    Yes, if you’re separated for a year you can get a divorce by mutual consent. Two years if one party disagrees or refuses at first.

    Is it a no fault divorce, and financial settlement, system?
    No fault divorce, financial settlement, but if you’re the wife of a rich guy, you can try to sue him for more.

    Is male adultery both culturally and legally enough for divorce, if he hasn’t abandoned his family in any significant way?

    It’s no fault divorce. So yes. But I’ve met so many of these women who are separated from their husbands for years but don’t get divorces because the guy is afraid of paying some settlement.

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  231. on January 21, 2011 at 9:41 am Timothy

    @walawala….is it true that in China there is no such thing as joint custody? That a custodial parent is awarded custody, and they can decide how much contact the other parent can have with the children?

    There was a case in the news not too long ago about and American man who was working in China, got married and started a family there. He ended up transferring back to the US with the wife and two kids, and at some point filed for divorce. The wife got on a plane and returned to China with the kids. He flew back essentially to try to take them back, and was arrested. Apparently the law forbids the non-custodial parent from contact with the children without consent of the custodial parent, and especially in this case because his wife is a Chinese national. He was basically charged with attempted kidnapping, even though it was the wife that kidnapped the kids in the first place. It was then that I learned that even for their own citizens, there is no joint custody, and the custodial parent controls everything, including all contact with the other parent.

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  232. on January 21, 2011 at 11:54 am Sidewinder

    Timothy,

    Are you currently married with kids, or are you discussing why you are afraid of taking such a plunge? It is important to keep in mind that the majority of marriages still do make it in the United States. I don’t mean to downplay the substantial risk at all (40% or so end in divorce), but posters on this site do get carried away with negativity. And it is also true that there will come a time when you don’t get to care for your children…they grow up very fast.

    This is why I discontinued my extra-marital shit. Not because my marriage is guaranteed to last forever or that my kids will stay young forever, but because the opportunity to be a father is a fleeting one. There will always be other women, my son will not be 2 again. Even if my marriage is doomed, having just another 2-3 years with my kids is enough of a reason to stick it out.

    There are all kinds of pitfalls and downsides to marriage. It takes a ton of work and there’s just under a 50% chance that it won’t work anyway. But to me, casting all petty lies aside and unrealistic ‘happy ever after’ notions of marriage, it is still worth it to have these moments with my children. And if it somehow works out, maybe my wife and I will get to relive some of this with grandchildren some day… But even if it goes in the shitter in 3 years from now, I won’t regret giving it a shot.

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  233. on January 21, 2011 at 4:18 pm Peck

    Again this blog goes into this looking for a way to manufacture an “us vs them” mentality.

    Marriage is not guaranteed to disenfranchise a man. Looking at it as if the woman is on the cusp of fleeing at the first sign that she can is a simplistic understanding of marriage today. It’s reactionary.

    As has always been the case, if you want a dedicated relationship with children and responsibility you need to have a keen eye. If you want a life of bachelorhood, make sure that’s something you’ll enjoy when you’re 50 and older.

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  234. on January 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm Timothy

    Sidewinder, I’m not married. I often question whether or not I’m cut out for it, but I could see myself someday wanting the joy an challenge of raising a child or two. I’d like to do that within a long-term, co-habiting relationship (I’d probably prefer not to marry). I have a few friends that are married with children, and they universally say the same thing – they love their children, but could do without the marriage part. Two of my friends, and a first cousin are on their second marriages. They talk about how their wives won’t fuck them for months at a time, complaining about this and that. And these are decent men that don’t fuck around. At a certain point, HIS happiness simply isn’t a priority after they’ve had their children and have a secure home. Women can decide that sex isn’t important anymore, but most men, regardless of age, still need it. Women fail to understand that it isn’t just sex you’re denying…it’s AFFECTION in all forms. When a woman isn’t fucking within a relationship, she’s also not doing the things that LEAD to fucking. These guys are stuck in loveless relationships. But these women STILL demand you remain faithful to them. I’m sure they’d all say, knowing what they know now, that they’d do it all again because the kids made it worth it, but I don’t know if I can go through that.

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  235. on January 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm Grendel

    Oh peck as if those older whores aren’t going to divorce rape you.

    Have not read all replies but what about married cougars and married young women. No need to reduce the slut selection.

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  236. on January 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm convert

    question for doug:

    re: no fault divorce – i get being against this, but how do you square that away with wanting to be able to play around as an alpha and not have that be a valid reason for divorce? you are aware what the “fault” in “no fault divorce” ends up meaning, right?

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  237. on January 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm Audrey

    sidewinder

    This is why I discontinued my extra-marital shit

    what “extramarital shit “pray tell? yr extramarital walks and coffee shop flirting?

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  238. on January 21, 2011 at 9:02 pm xsplat

    Peck

    As has always been the case, if you want a dedicated relationship with children and responsibility you need to have a keen eye.

    This is advice with no practical value. No one gets married thinking they are with the wrong one. The fact is that humans are not good at predicting future relationship outcomes based on current status.

    Just having a keen eye only works in hindsight.

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  239. on January 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm xsplat

    Sidewinder

    This is why I discontinued my extra-marital shit. Not because my marriage is guaranteed to last forever or that my kids will stay young forever, but because the opportunity to be a father is a fleeting one.

    Is that the story you salve your rejection with?

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  240. on January 21, 2011 at 9:41 pm Timothy

    Thanks xsplat re: that “keen eye” bullshit. If everyone were the same person they were on their wedding day throughout a marriage, no one would ever get divorced, and every day together would be happy. You make a decision about a person based on what they choose to show you. When life circumstances change, so do people. On another thread on this board, there was a discussion regarding the film “Blue Valentine” starring Ryan Gosling and Michele Williams, and how so many of the themes discussed here evident in the film. How a man that devoted himself to a woman, marrying her while pregnant by another man and raising the child as his own, only to have her grow disenchanted and cold towards him. It’s not about “us vs. them” so much as it’s acknowledging the realities of marriage and divorce. The facts are if you divorce, more often than not men get violated. It isn’t reactionary to note that women file for divorce over 70% of the time. It’s documented fact. By that fact it seems women ARE more likely to be on the cusp of fleeing if she grows unhappy for whatever reason. They’re the ones less likely to want to work on the marriage. That’s largely because they know family law favors them.

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  241. on January 22, 2011 at 2:21 am dontmarry

    @Peck

    A man gains nothing through marriage.

    Children and fatherhood are risky and overrated.

    That legal, monogamous vagina is overrated.

    Many foolish people, especially the women, say that if you pick your woman well, you will have a happy marriage. What they fail to understand is that the laws are rigged against us men.

    Also, women change after marriage and usually not for the better. The bait-and-switch tactic is employed by them to land a husband.

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  242. on January 22, 2011 at 3:04 am xsplat

    Captain Obvious

    T-Doggz: It’s gonna blow up completely soon.

    xsplat: I hear this sentiment often, but I’ve yet to hear it in a way that gives me any image in my mind. Blow up? How will that look?

    A: Detroit.

    I thought detroit was a black problem, not a feminist problem. Beta white boys at least pick up their own trash.

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  243. on January 22, 2011 at 11:59 am Timothy

    The last time I checked, Detroit’s problems were economic, not racial. It’s incredible, how no matter what the subject on the internet, someone has to bring it back to some kind of racial attack on blacks. WOW.

    Anyway, women definitely change the moment that ceremony is over. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. I’VE GOT HIM NOW!!!! I don’t know how many times I’ve heard a woman say something like, “Oh I don’t do that anymore. I’m married now.” They’ll do all kinds of things for a man to get him to the altar, then stop as soon as they’ve got him locked in. They believe that once you’re married EVERYTHING must change. That you’re supposed to treat each other differently because you’re wearing rings and the state and/or God has sanctioned your union. YOU’RE THE SAME TWO PEOPLE! Sure, once kids enter the mix things will be different and some priorities change, but before that, why would you stop doing the same things with and for each other that you did before you married? But that’s how women think. All women care about is if they’re “happy” or not. Men acknowledge that things will get rough sometimes, and they’ll grit their teeth and gut it out. He won’t run down to court and file for divorce. He might have an affair, but he won’t bail on his marriage…HA HA!

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  244. on January 22, 2011 at 1:01 pm Timothy Webster

    @Gorbachev Any man who criticizes this is either a religious fundamentalist or jealous. Even if he’s a religious fundamentalist, he’s probably jealous, too. Most of those would love to have a little Patriarchal harem with 500 kids and subservient 17 year-old 7th wives doting on their withering, aging dick when they’re 65.

    Damn. You got me. Oh-wait, I wasn’t making any secret about it… If game can help you guys, it should help me too! Nicole, where are you? You said your dad accomplished something along these lines.

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  245. on January 22, 2011 at 4:03 pm Gorbachev

    @Timothy Webster

    @Gorbachev Any man who criticizes this is either a religious fundamentalist or jealous. Even if he’s a religious fundamentalist, he’s probably jealous, too. Most of those would love to have a little Patriarchal harem with 500 kids and subservient 17 year-old 7th wives doting on their withering, aging dick when they’re 65.

    Damn. You got me. Oh-wait, I wasn’t making any secret about it… If game can help you guys, it should help me too! Nicole, where are you? You said your dad accomplished something along these lines.

    A harem of willing wives all looking after your rugrats. *That’s* the Alpha of legend. That’s sexual success for a male.

    That’s what we’re programed to do. Everything else is just adaptation to less than ideal circumstances.

    Of course, we also don’t live on the Veldt any more. Though sometimes we can approximate it.

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  246. on January 22, 2011 at 4:05 pm Gorbachev

    @Timothy Webster

    Gorbachev, you talking to me? Yes I’m up here. If you want to communicate in private, I’ll provide a means shortly. I just figured out that craiglist ads are a great way to get a free, temporary email address.

    A friend just interviewed and was hired, but he’s been looking for 3 months. Lots of media up here, but not sure how that goes with hiring Americans. All the big sci-fi shows are filmed here. Come on up, visit for a week or so.

    Craigslist ads are great for that.

    I know you guys produce a lot of documentaries, way more than we do, even though we’re 9x the size. Or you did. But your country is also a haven for socialism. I wonder if I could stay sane working on Canadian projects.

    But I can do other stuff. The big sci-fi shows do all seem to be up there. What’s up with that?

    What’s it like to live there, even temporarily?

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  247. on January 22, 2011 at 5:20 pm blert

    Canada and North Dakota are in monumental booms due to high oil prices.

    If it’s your game, Canada has a monster tar sands project that is still expanding.

    It is easy to imagine Canada being the leading oil exporter in twenty years — tar sands + conventional + Bakken…

    This trend means that lots of surrounding economic activity must occur.

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  248. on January 22, 2011 at 5:34 pm blert

    Detroit has been sacrificed by Washington in the interests of Tokyo and others.

    Further, its key industry has a demographic problem: too many retirees. GM is a pension plan disguised as an auto maker.

    Detroit also suffers from racial concentration: Black mayors of extremely ill repute.

    Google them. Keep a barf bag handy.

    And then Detroit is a ‘foot on far’ for the ummah.

    Muslims can’t even tolerate other muslims — Detroit now wants to emulate Beirut!

    Muslim societies are disfunctional in the extreme. The true economic record of muslims is almost dead last.

    Their primary source of income in the prior era was enslavement and ransom. Nothing else.

    Ironic, no?

    Muslims moving into a Black major city — the very same ummah that enslaved the Africans to begin with!

    ( FYI, no white slave trader ever went further than the beach. The muslims brought their ‘product’ at the point of a spear. That’s why the white guys were always termed slave-traders, never enslavers. Their rationalization hamster was — well, they’re ALREADY slaves — so it’s okay to buy them.)

    Anyhow, the ummah are back at it. Each faction ( Shia, Sunni) has their part of town. Further they are already making their turf un-America. In a decade Detroit will look like London – ‘west.’

    You’ll see MAJOR no-go zones — a slice of extremism salted in, too. That exact situation occurs all over Europe.

    Athens got its first big taste of islamism just the other day. The Greeks were NOT happy. ( A pray-in. )

    Beyond even all that: Detroit suffers from Feminism. It runs even stronger in the ghetto. Why not? Daddy’s gone.

    What’s the MOST confusing day in the ghetto?

    Fathers Day.

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  249. on January 22, 2011 at 5:42 pm blert

    And I just remembered…

    The Obama clan in Kenya is not only muslim…

    They’re THE clan that enslaved other locals for sale to slave-traders!

    Ironic, no?

    When the Resident ‘helped’ in the Kenyan presidential race it was to support a despot who had already signed a deal with Arab powers to impose sharia upon the majority Christian nation.

    When Obama’s buddy lost the race ( decided on clan and religious lines ) he went around destroying Christian churches and murdering Christians by the score. The MSM buried the whole tragedy.

    Black America equates Obama with their own experience. However, Obama stands on the other side of the counter!

    Ironic, no?

    MSM… crickets…

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  250. on January 22, 2011 at 10:34 pm walawala

    @Timothy….I’m not sure about China, but in Hong Kong the legal system is based on British common law so things are different.

    In Hong Kong the courts tend to automatically award custody to the mother with visitation rights, so it’s a kind of “joint-custody.”

    Fortunately when I got divorced, we didn’t own property together and didn’t have kids, legally it was quite easy.

    But one thing about this culture, even girl-friend/boyfriend break-ups often turn ugly with the girl who gets dumped demanding some type of “compensation”.

    I had a friend who was a police officer who described various stabbings and random acts of violence where the dumped beta guy asks for a “sit down” with his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend, then demands compensation from the new guy and when the new guy refuses, dumped beta goes mental and stabs both of them.

    This often happens in a restaurant or some public place.

    Weird. Creepy.

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  251. on January 22, 2011 at 10:57 pm Timothy

    @blert….Obama didn’t grow up the way most blacks in America did. Black Americans don’t equate him in any way with their own experiences. He’s the product of a biracial union, and was raised by his white mom (from Kansas) and white grandparents, and grew up in Indonesia (his mom’s second marriage was to an Indonesian) and Hawaii, where he was born. Hardly the American black experience. Most people of color have no more in common with him than the average white does with whatever white male that ascends to the Presidency, other than skin color. Sounds to me like you have issues with black folks. There are some nice places in the Pacific Northwest, and the North that don’t have many of those kinds of people. You might be happier there.

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  252. on January 22, 2011 at 11:13 pm xsplat

    walawala, I’ve come to believe that the female expectation for severance pay is not a social construct, but is innately wired. But I’ve never heard of a guy asking the new man for recompense.

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  253. on January 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm Timothy

    xsplat, you may be right about that. Every now and then you’ll read about a woman that actually tries to sue over a broken engagement, and women trying to keep engagement rings, etc. Many women truly believe they should be compensated for a “broken heart.” That was actually the basis of Gloria Allred going after Tiger Woods on behalf of the porn star that was fucking him. She wanted her client to get paid because,”Tiger doesn’t have the right to break her heart.” I was shocked, even for an ambulance chasing media whore like Allred.

    I think in Eastern cultures, where unions are seen more as status and financial transactions, it’s a different mindset altogether. I’ve heard of women and even families seeking compensation with regard to marriages and divorces, but never boyfriend/girlfriend unions, and NEVER with a man seeking compensation from a former girlfriend and her new boyfriend. After that guy stabbed them both, he should have killed himself. Pussy.

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  254. on January 23, 2011 at 9:22 am Linkage is Good for You: Big Breasted Edition

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  255. on January 23, 2011 at 1:08 pm Paladin

    Stan, you posted that link to an article where a cougar whines about false profiles on dating sites. At first I thought that she had a good, if sad, point. But then:

    “And that’s the huge stumbling block with internet dating: there’s too much choice.
    There are on average SEVEN WOMEN TO EVERY MAN, creating the kid in a sweet shop effect.”

    SEVEN WOMEN

    SEVEN WOMEN

    *bangs head against the wall* What about the typical dating site, where the gazillion of horny men spam stupid messages to girls in the 18-30 range, meaning that they each get 100 messages per day and turn into hyper-selective attention whores?

    However, my stupefied reaction was misplaced. The author of the article clarifies:

    “In the end, none of these changes mattered because I was breaking one of the cardinal sins of internet dating. I was over 40.
    In my younger days, an average 70 men would look at my profile in a day. And that was before online dating was massively popular.
    Aged 42, I was lucky if I got two. Even men ten years older than me clearly stated in their profile that 39 was their cut-off age.

    As I’ve already said, they could afford to be selective. If the same man tried to approach a girl in her 20s in the real world, he’d probably be sent packing but, online, well, he might just be in with a chance.
    I quickly realised that when it comes to online dating, there are three age brackets: 18 to 29; 30 to 39; and 40 to 110.”

    I guess that one is true.

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  256. on January 23, 2011 at 3:52 pm Timothy

    Paladin, I read this same article. I too had to acknowledge that men can be assholes on the internet, in that they send women distasteful messages, etc. But there’s a major flip side to this, and a big part of the internet dating issues are women’s own fault.

    Most women simply rely on looks to get attention. If you look at their profiles, there’s nothing there that blows you away. The truly lazy ones fill in, “if you want to know, ask” or something similar. They are also highly negative. When clicking through pics, where you get just a snapshot of person (name, pic, age, city, and a brief tagline), the taglines say things like “I hate liars” or “don’t send me this or that” or “no foreigners” or “are there any good men left?” The first thing you see is some form of complaint, command, dislike or insult. Almost immediately they announce I’M A BITCH. You’re on the site to supposedly get men to want to get to know you, and yet you do everything to repel men.

    I have also found that women are inflexible about the age requirement. I’m in my 40s, and NO women younger than me initiate contact – even women supposedly not looking for dates or serious relationships. On the networking/dating site I’m on, I’ve had good success. But of the 50 friends I have, I would estimate that I’ve initiated contact with 45 of them. The others that initiated with me? There isn’t one of them that I would fuck. And that’s not a coincidence. The only women that initiate with me are much older, and overweight AND ugly. The only 20-somethings that initiate are Filipinas looking for a way out, or at least someone to send them money. All the other women (and some of them are good friends, and/or women I’ve visited and fucked) I’ve had to put in most of the work. And the majority of my friends list is outside the US, and I get the most interaction from them. All of the women that are less attractive/fat, etc. are Americans, and the more attractive Americans I rarely hear from.

    On the site I use there is this banner ad for a site herway.com. I took a peek at it out of curiousity. The site is set up in such a way that men can’t initiate any contact with women. The tagline for the site on the ad is “Real men do it Herway.” Men can join the site and post a profile, but he can only communicate with a woman that has initiated contact. You can reply, but can’t surf women’s profiles. So basically, this site strips men of all power and hands it all to the women. Supposedly this cuts down on “cyberstalking” and unwanted messages that occur on other sites. It means that most of the men that join that site will get NO MESSAGES.

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  257. on January 23, 2011 at 8:19 pm Mr. C

    “” There are on average SEVEN WOMEN TO EVERY MAN, creating the kid in a sweet shop effect.” “”

    You have it the wrong way around.

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  258. on January 23, 2011 at 9:02 pm blert

    Timothy…

    You just totally broke me up.

    I spent 25 years in the Islands.

    I lived RIGHT UNDER Barry’s Grandmother in the same high rise condo.

    So, yeah, I ran into him when he was visiting back from school in ’83. I figured right on the spot he’d make it HUGE — either Hollywood or politics. He was a natural.

    I loved your projection. Sweet. I’ve spent most of my adult life as a distinct dis-favored minority. I’ve had any number of black chicks as roommates — those Hawaiian rents are killer.

    And what few Blacks I’ve asked do consider Barry to be a Black-American in the full sense of the meaning.

    So at every turn you’re wrong.

    But at least you’re amusing.

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  259. on January 23, 2011 at 9:07 pm Timothy

    blert, I never said blacks don’t consider him to be a black American. What I said was that he didn’t share the same experience as most black Americans. I thought that was pretty clear.

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  260. on January 23, 2011 at 11:56 pm blert

    Timothy…

    “@blert….Obama didn’t grow up the way most blacks in America did. Black Americans don’t equate him in any way with their own experiences. “

    But they do.

    That’s the WHOLE point. He’s the apparent descendent of the Kenyan clan FAMED for ENSLAVING Christians and selling them to slavers at the coast…

    He ACTIVELY associates himself during a Kenyan presidential campaign with the muslim candidate ( Who had already promised the KSA to impose severe Sharia against the majority Christians if elected. )

    We’re NOT talking about trivial involvement. Barry spent days on the campaign trail — man that guy LOVES to hold a microphone — and promote his distant kin.

    [ It’s all bogus. His real father is Frank Marshall Davis. Take a look at the family photo album.

    ]

    It’s no wonder that Stanley left her son with Dad. The teen was getting out of control and it was time he met the real deal.

    His TRUE blood line flows back to the mid-west and Chicago.

    THAT is how Barry was able to drop in to the Chicago scene. FMD was all he needed as an intro.

    ——–

    The Congressional Black Caucus — hell, I thought it was all about being Black in America. WRONG.

    It’s about being a Communist and Black in America. It is shocking to hear — on tape — their leadership absolutely GUSH talking to despots like the Castro brothers.

    ———

    My family… along with millions of others … never participated in slavery or received any ‘grander benefits’ from a society that espoused slavery.

    My fore-fathers only ever fought for the elimination of that abomination.

    It’s much more than a century later…

    The zero wants MY wallet to pay for reparations, race by race?

    He’s insane.

    Yet, he’s pulling it off.

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  261. on January 27, 2011 at 4:59 am shs

    Oh and mr. “Chi – town” I live in Chicago too. Due to your depressingly pessimistic comments I’ve gathered you aren’t too social…. And most probably hates puppies, and rainbows. But if I ever ran into you in this city I would so quickly uncover this behind the computer facade of being an “alpha” male.

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  262. on January 27, 2011 at 9:36 am Timothy

    shs…how would you know if a guy you became interested in read this shit? All kinds of guys read this kind of shit, rather they agree with it all, or incorporate any of what they read into their lives. I’ll give you some points for at least sounding like an adult who takes some responsibility for her actions, instead of blaming men (at least not yet). But your day is coming. That day when you decide you want to meet a man and settle down, and maybe even have children. And you’ll be like all the rest – no man will be good enough, and you’ll be angry and bitter. You’re claiming that most of the guys here are probably fat losers, with no experience. Actually, these sites are written by and for men to share their experiences with women out in the real world. Don’t automatically dismiss what you read because some of it is harsh. Sure, some of it might be posturing bullshit, but deep down you know what these guys are talking about…

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  263. on January 27, 2011 at 10:01 am shs

    Ps. I would never blame a man for not fulfilling my life, nor would I ever marry one to be fulfilled. You need to relax!! Seriously, you know what is great medicine for the soul?! Self depreciation.

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  264. on January 29, 2011 at 5:32 pm FactCheck

    It’s somewhat amusing how many men here are adamant about having virginal housewives while being deeply embittered about how “unfair” divorce and alimony are. Of course, the situation in which divorce is most brutal on the man is if you marry a woman with no marketable skills. It’s also interesting how no one seems to realize that such women might be at a slight disadvantage, what with the aging and the lack of marketable skills. Alimony exists largely to prevent you from being able to drop your middle-aged wife like a rock as soon as the kids are 18, leaving her to live with her mother while you go nail twenty-year-olds.

    Given how most of the commenters here think 110% of marriages end in divorce within 15 minutes, you’d think that, if they considered marrying a woman, it’d be an employed one who wouldn’t have much of a legal claim to their stuff.

    And if you ain’t no chump, holla “We want pre-nup.”

    [Editor: Nothing’s stopping her from getting a job while she’s married.]

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