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Women Prefer Laconic Men

January 31, 2011 by CH

My date kicked me hard in the shin under the table. I was gazing at her cleavage into her eyes, so she must have wanted my attention.

“Ow! What’d you do that for? You hit the bone.”

She leaned forward over her entree and put her hand up to her cheek to shield her face from possible lip readers.

“See that couple sitting next to us? Don’t look over! Just listen to their conversation.”

I suffered grievous injury because she wanted me to eavesdrop on a conversation. Goddamn, chicks really love inserting themselves into the drama of other people’s lives. I looked over. A man in his late 20s, neatly if blandly dressed in a button-down and slacks like a freshly pressed widget off the yuppie assembly line, was seated across from an attractive MILF-y brunette who appeared a few years older than him. She had that frozen grin on her face that people get when they are listening to someone talk and trying to seem interested.

“What am I supposed to be listening for?”

“Just listen!”

It wasn’t hard to do. The man was talking incessantly, and loudly, punctuating important points with open-palmed axe chops of his hands, like a politician giving a stump speech. His face was animated and he thrust his head forward in his date’s direction for emphasis, as if he believed what he was saying was handed down to him from the heavens and she would soon be converted. And what was he saying that merited such self-enthusiasm? Tales from work. Name dropping. And, I shit you not, stock movements.

I moved closer to whisper to my date over glasses of wine. “He’s talking about his job. Kind of a bore. But an excitable bore, like a small child. Maybe he just got a new gig and he thinks he’s suddenly a member of the ruling elite. That could make anybody a bore.”

“I know, a total dud! He won’t stop talking. He’s not letting her get a word in. Listen, he keeps cutting her off.”

It was true. He would breathlessly regale her for what seemed an eternity and she would try to gamely interrupt with a “Yeah, it’s true. That’s like…”, and he would cut her off with a hyperactively blunt “Right!” that may as well have been shouted through a bullhorn into her face, before continuing where he left off. This cycle would repeat itself through the course of the night, each passing minute eliciting a more pinched expression from the woman.

“Hey, at least he sounds like he has a good job, mingling with power brokers,” I said half-facetiously. “And he’s not bad looking. Any woman would be happy with such a catch.”

My date smirked at me dubiously. “Yeah, right. Look at that poor woman. She’s in pain. She wants to get away from him but she’s stuck.”

“Maybe she could excuse herself and escape through the bathroom window.”

“You’ve done that, haven’t you?”

“Come on now, I’m not that kind of guy. I leave through the kitchen.”

She listened some more. “There’s no way she’s seeing him again. Name dropping! That is so lame. This is a first date and she’ll be relieved to get out of here. He’ll try to call her but she’ll ignore him.”

“Oh, I don’t know. She’s getting up there. She might be thinking that’s the best she can do.”

“You’re such a jerk sometimes. I feel bad for her. Lucky for her she won’t see him again.”

“You seem happy about this love connection failure.”

“Yes. We women are very sympathetic to other women sitting through bad dates. We understand what it’s like. There’s nothing worse than a guy who won’t shut up.”

“Even if he has a lot to talk about?”

“Especially if! Leave a little mystery. You didn’t tell me anything on our first date. Lord knows why I saw you again. Anyhow, guys who dominate conversations are probably bad lovers. Selfish and controlling. They don’t care who you are, they just want a pretty face hanging on their words.”

“I just want a pretty face unzipping my fly.”

“Do you always have to be so immature?”

“Yes, Auntie Pink Snappy.”

******

We’ve talked here about the problem of being tongue-tied in the presence of women. A scarcity of speech is the biggest issue for the majority of men. But we shouldn’t forget the mirror image of this attractiveness-killing ineptitude: the nonstop talker. The motor mouth. A significant minority of men — particularly greater betas and lesser alphas on the cusp of making a mark in the world — suffer from the second problem: they don’t know when to shut up and let the woman speak, enamored as they are with their blossoming manhood and acquirement of conventional male attractiveness traits.

Talking too much fails on multiple dimensions: it increases the odds you’ll say something dull or beta, it strips away mystery, and it demonstrates a lack of interest in the woman’s values and desires. It also shows you don’t truly understand women, for a harangue about your accomplishments, social climbing, materialism, or connections is a red flag to women that you are an insecure, approval-seeking mediocrity, no different than the thousands of other men dancing like monkeys for a pretty woman’s attention. Harangues are especially off-putting to women when the subject matter is devoid of emotional resonance, as most men’s shop talk would be.

And why do women despise male suck-ups? Well, because women in their natural state rarely seek the approval of any man except the most dominant ones, they become confused and irritable when men for whom they might grant sexual access seek their approval. They don’t subconsciously apprehend why a man would work SO HARD for her endorsement. What has she brought to the table in a few seconds that would catapult her to superstar status by her doting date?

Oh yeah, tits and ass. But that doesn’t alter the disgust women feel for lapdogs and credential burnishers. Sure, they may recognize on some deep limbic level that T&A revs men’s engines, but their own psychological latticework is not constructed of male body parts, and so they don’t project a female fascination with the body onto men. What they project instead is a female fascination with a man’s personality and character. I.e., his alphaness. Thus, they expect men to think and feel the same way about women. They wonder why he talks so much when he should be connecting with her.

On the contrary, a man who has his inner shit together, who feels pretty damned good about himself, won’t be impelled to talk ad nauseam about his alpha fortune. His relaxed, cocky demeanor is his best advertisement.

The vignette above is by no means exceptional. You see this sort of dynamic all the time if you go out to places where lots of couples go for dates. It should be heartening to the readers of this blog that the vast majority of men simply have NO CONCEPT WHATSOEVER of how to properly arouse a woman. Fully 90%+ of the world’s men do not run any active game.

It’s even worse than that. Of those 90%, at least half run ANTI-GAME, like the man in the above situation. Observe people on dates and you’ll see a lot of men shooting themselves in the foot. It’s a wonder the species manages to propagate itself, but male persistence — and relatively faster female aging out of sexual viability — sometimes conspire to get a woman to open her legs.

I remember a while back I had taken a couple of E tabs with a female friend. We spent a sleepless weekend hanging out and elevating our mental states. The E tabs pranked my brain into loquacity. I talked and talked. Verbal diarrhea. So did she, but she had not reacted to the pills the same way I had, and she hadn’t consumed as much. As a result, her awareness of presence was sharper than mine. Toward the end of the weekend bender, pre-withdrawal, her demeanor had changed. She was zoning out, and crabby. Everything seemed to rub her the wrong way. Only in hindsight did I hit upon the reason for the change in her temperament. She was driven to peevishness by my excessive talking.

Women may say they want a man who shares his feelings, and who tells her things about himself, but the truth — as is often the case at the disjunct between women’s words and actions — is that women love laconic men. Men who don’t say much. Men whose default programming is to shut up rather than open up. When these men do deign to speak, women hang on their words.

Women want an EF Hutton man. When EF Hutton speaks, women listen. Be an EF Hutton man.

The next time you’re on a date, remind yourself to stop talking. Step outside the moment for a second and, like a third party observer floating off to the side, focus your mind on the interaction. Listen to yourself. Are you a blabbermouth? Apply the brakes to your brain. Let it cool off. Lean back and allow her to engage you for a change. Her hindbrain will thank you.

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  1. on January 31, 2011 at 4:11 pm OhioStater

    At least if you talk a ton make you sure make unflinching eye contact.

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  2. on January 31, 2011 at 4:18 pm harmonicaftw

    Hottest things she’s could hear:
    Yup.
    Yeah.
    Oh.
    Ah.
    Interesting.
    Wow.
    No, go on.

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  3. on January 31, 2011 at 4:19 pm Firepower

    Laconic.
    kwl

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  4. on January 31, 2011 at 4:29 pm askjoe

    Wow, this is tough. Chit-chat game is anti-game and excessive DHV is anti-game. At the same time, awkward pauses can be killers.

    I think a lot of guys have trouble learning to tease and qualify girls that they find attractive. There’s also the thing where a guy is in a one-sided conversation with a girl, where he’s just there to provide verbal scaffolding to the yak attack, which can’t be any good for either party.

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  5. on January 31, 2011 at 4:33 pm ozymandias

    I’m female and I’ve dumped men for not talking enough. It was boring and I felt like I had to do all the conversational work and that I didn’t really know him.

    Of course, I’m very male-brained (borderline Aspie), so that might affect it.

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  6. on January 31, 2011 at 4:39 pm Simple Man

    @oxymandias-

    Yes, that DEFINITELY affects the situation. Asperger’s is basically ‘excessive maleness’. My ex and I were basically of the same ilk, mind-wise, and it couldn’t have been a more boring relationship.

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  7. on January 31, 2011 at 4:39 pm Evil Alpha

    I never choose dinner for a first date. Drinks only near my place. Big No No.

    Nevertheless it is impossible to be laconic over 2 hours even if you let her gab away. Plain and simple you need to learn how to be funny and to be mysterious while talking about nothing.

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  8. on January 31, 2011 at 4:39 pm Ubermind

    The general rule in life is:

    If your talk is not buisness than don’t talk it.

    With women – laconic flirting is your business talk that is actually a barter over how fast she will be in bed with you.

    There is no need to say anything else. Anything else is a distraction.

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  9. on January 31, 2011 at 4:40 pm Bricona

    It’s usually the men who think they’re dominate but aren’t, who need to self validate themselves when they talk to people. It’s quite the epidemic. People who suck at being who they want to be, are the ones who constantly run their mouth. It does more for the identity to simply be analyzed for your presentation then your words.

    I’m kind of uncertain with what you want people to fill the time with, if all men are not talking. Do they simply ask questions, or should men simply refrain from talking in stories. I talk in stories most of the time when I talk to someone, simply because I hate interviewing people. Of course I let the other person talk. I’m a very understanding person, and quite the sexy listener. However, stories are just more promising to find out if someone’s compatible. It’s not like I’m mother goose, running off with fables.

    This reminds me of that scene in Bourne Identity where their riding in the car and the girl’s talking constantly and she starts to realize that she’s running her mouth so she stops. But then Jason says, “Why’d you stop?”

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  10. on January 31, 2011 at 4:42 pm Doug1

    “Maybe she could excuse herself and escape through the bathroom window.”
    “You’ve done that, haven’t you?”
    “Come on now, I’m not that kind of guy. I leave through the kitchen.”

    Illustrating the right kind of “assholery”.

    “I just want a pretty face unzipping my fly.”
    “Do you always have to be so immature?”
    “Yes, Mom”

    Illustrating a good neg response to her shit test/insult.

    Girls like to feel you’re getting to know their special snowflake selves, so that they aren’t just a readily replaceable piece of t & a, and feel a connection to you. For that they have to feel like you’ve listened to them and get them. So perceptive follow up questions or observations after she’s done some self revealing are money. You have to guide her early on to emotionally and otherwise revealing talking though, not just babbling on about trivia for long.

    When she says “I can’t believe how well you get me so fast”, it’s money.

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  11. on January 31, 2011 at 4:43 pm Artful Dodger

    I do agree, although I’ll say that it can be quite tough beating a woman in a talk-a-thon. Most girls like to ramble on about non-sense anyway so you’ll find yourself half-listening to 95% of the crap that comes out of her mouth. And once she’s finished, she’ll ironically say, “I feel like you know everything about me, but I know nothing about you.” That’s the way most girls are in my experience.

    Girls who are quiet are bad news, imo. They either act like dudes or they’re uptight and boring.

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  12. on January 31, 2011 at 4:43 pm jkc

    did you get the E from the G Manifesto?

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  13. on January 31, 2011 at 4:44 pm Ubermind

    Words are like bullets – any sigle one of them can be deadly if you sniper shot while a million of them can be useless if you machine-gun without thought.

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  14. on January 31, 2011 at 4:44 pm Deep Dish

    “Law 4: Always Say Less than Necessary

    When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.”

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  15. on January 31, 2011 at 4:51 pm Ubermind

    @ Artful Dodger
    I believe in moments when girls talk-nonstop it is better to go away (or pretend to, but let her stop you) You don’t want to come off as her girlfriend who listens to her shit. You want to come off as a man who means some buisness.

    And why would you want to be with a girl who talks too much anyway?

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  16. on January 31, 2011 at 4:53 pm Lara

    I’ve gone out with guys like this and it does build attraction. If he doesn’t talk much I start to think maybe I am boring him and will work harder to ingratiate myself to him.

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  17. on January 31, 2011 at 4:53 pm Bricona

    @artful dodger

    Are you saying you should just let them talk on constantly, that sounds very beta. I think you should listen attentively, but more importantly, do a good deal of challenging her beliefs. That would deem a more prominent sophistication. The belief that a man can hold a woman’s interest and at the same time be a man.

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  18. on January 31, 2011 at 4:56 pm Lara

    I agree with Artful Dodger that a girl who is laconic is more like a man. Talking is a way of trying to win him over.

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  19. on January 31, 2011 at 4:56 pm SL

    What if she’s the one who won’t shut up?

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  20. on January 31, 2011 at 4:58 pm Karsten

    I have no doubt that the premise of this post is true. Nevertheless, the woman’s comments are appalling:

    “Guys who dominate conversations are probably bad lovers. Selfish and controlling.”

    As I suspected, so that’s what it always comes down to — women gauging a man based on his mating performance. As if, of all the things in the world, that matters.

    Women could be having their minds expanded by a man telling them, for free, about Spengler’s philosophy or nuclear physics, but instead they’re thinking like sub-human primates — with their base appetites.

    Women truly are mere animals.

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  21. on January 31, 2011 at 4:58 pm manboobz

    You’re dating your mom?

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  22. on January 31, 2011 at 5:05 pm Science

    @manboobz

    touche

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  23. on January 31, 2011 at 5:06 pm Artful Dodger

    “@artful dodger

    Are you saying you should just let them talk on constantly, that sounds very beta. I think you should listen attentively, but more importantly, do a good deal of challenging her beliefs. That would deem a more prominent sophistication. The belief that a man can hold a woman’s interest and at the same time be a man.”

    It’s not beta. Most normal girls talk a lot. They talk about seemingly silly things like what Judi had for lunch, the crappy day they had, what such and such wore at the VMAs, etc. In a relationship, there’s no getting around that. My GF talks a lot and I usually say “Right, right, right…uh huh.” Then she usually says, “you didn’t listen to a word I said,” to which I reply, “Right, right.” I mean, if she’s talking about her mother having cancer, then obviously I’ll pay attention, but if she’s talking about the new boots she picked up at a 50% discount from DSW, I just keep flipping channels and say “Right, right, right.”

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  24. on January 31, 2011 at 5:09 pm The Specimen

    On a date, saying too little is always better than saying too much. You should never be uncomfortable in silence. Let her be the one that feels uncomfortable and breaks it first.

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  25. on January 31, 2011 at 5:13 pm Artful Dodger

    Also, you have to consider the possibility that if a girl is talking a whole lot on a first date, it probably means that she’s nervous and that she likes you. It’s like going on a job interview. When a company wants to hire you badly, they tell you all about their different practice groups, benefits, firm softball team, etc. All you have to do is sit there, nod, and let them close the deal. But you know you have an uphill battle when you go into an interview and YOU are the one doing most of the talking.

    If I’m on a first date and the girl is talking more than me (but not driving me insane with non-sense drivel), I’d be inclined to let her flow with it and throw out the occasional question (related to something she said). It’s better that she leave the date thinking, “Man, I shouldn’t have said that…he probably thinks I’m an idiot” than you thinking the same. When you jump in an try to force the convo in a certain direction, understand that you run that risk.

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  26. on January 31, 2011 at 5:16 pm Lara

    Artful Dodger is correct. If she is talking a lot on a date she is nervous and wants you to like her.

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  27. on January 31, 2011 at 5:20 pm JohnnieWorker

    @Karsten: I’m sure that there are plenty of women who love to have their minds expanded by talking to an intellectual and eloquent guy but when the “lecture” about Sprengler is over they’ll just go and “procreate” with the neighbourhood’s laconic, animalistic alpha-male leaving our intellectual alone with this smug superiority. I’m sure a lot of readers can attest to that.

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  28. on January 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm Workshy Joe

    Our words reveal our thought processes.

    If we gabber on about random crap women think:

    “His head is full of random crap.”

    If we talk about our anxieties and fears women think:

    “This man is full of anxiety and fear.”

    Etc. etc.

    If a woman asks:

    “what are you thinking?”

    then you’re doing it right.

    Say something to your advantage rather than the truth.

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  29. on January 31, 2011 at 5:27 pm C

    On awkward silences: she’ll only feel awkward if you acknowledge it. If you look like you’re painfully aware of the silence, you fidget, and your mind is straining to find a topic, she’ll notice.

    Also, try demanding “entertain me”. When she tries, let her know that you expect better.

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  30. on January 31, 2011 at 5:35 pm FactCheck

    C above makes an excellent point. The best way to deal with awkward silences is to say something clever or ask her something that gets her talking. The second best way is just to ignore their awkwardness as if they were completely deliberate and of no concern to you. The second worst is to babble randomly to fill them, and the worst is to awkwardly acknowledge how awkward things are.

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  31. on January 31, 2011 at 5:37 pm Corporal Hicks

    The trick for guys is to give off-beat answers to her questions –

    “So do you come here often?”
    I TRAVEL TOO MUCH.

    “Oh wow, where do you go?”
    YOU KNOW, *BUSINESS*

    “So how did your last relationship end?” (SERIOUS shit-test)
    SHE DIED AND LEFT ME MILLIONS.

    “Tell me about yourself.”
    IN A SEXUAL WAY, OR JUST IN GENERAL?

    Fish in a barrel, people…..

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  32. on January 31, 2011 at 5:42 pm jkr

    could the guy on the date have been mike norman?

    http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/caution-mmt-can-be-hazardous-to-your.html

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  33. on January 31, 2011 at 5:42 pm Fade

    last date i was on… I barely spoke at all. and this was sit down dinner in a near deserted restaurant (on a tuesday night).

    she didn’t speak much english, and i didn’t care. I ate my food, and most of hers as well, and then i took her next door to my apartment and pucked that fussy.

    laconic indeed.

    When we got there did i babble on with my roomate and her in the living room? no i carried her to my bedroom and made sweet love to that female. very very little english was spoke that night. and not much at the club i met her at the weekend before. once you get physical and logistical game down pat, an emotional connection can be more of a barrier to sex (she makes you wait longer) than anything else.

    Just last weekend, post coitus, a different girl was telling me how a harvard tennis player had beeing taking her out and he was everything she wanted: rich, good looking, good future. but that sometimes he was ‘too intense, like hung on every word of my conversation’ and that for winter break he proclaimed he would ‘save himself for her’ she futher explained how she ‘laughed in his face when he called her his boyfriend’.

    I never call this girl save for bootycall every 3 months when i am bored and need to go deep to the reserves. She fucking loves me and buys me food, won’t leave the next day. I find her annoying and tell her how i bang other chicks, but she gives good head so i keep her on the bench.

    I don’t really give a damn if a girl runs her mouth or not. Either way i’m doing the almost the exact same amount of talking- little to none.

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  34. on January 31, 2011 at 5:43 pm Evil Alpha

    @ JohnnieWorker

    It would have been perfect if you had followed “their minds expanded” with “their vaginas expanded”

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  35. on January 31, 2011 at 5:44 pm askjoe

    I guess a good dater or pua would have things ready to go like murder, fuck, kill in the event that a pause threatens to go awkward on you.

    Also, if you are still doing dinner dates, then just eat something, stare at the menu, discuss a wine option.

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  36. on January 31, 2011 at 5:47 pm Doug1

    Bricona

    @artful dodger–Are you saying you should just let them talk on constantly, that sounds very beta. I think you should listen attentively, but more importantly, do a good deal of challenging her beliefs.

    Challenging her beliefs is too much intellectualizing for early on and may alienate some girls if they aren’t already strongly into you. That’s better for later. But if she goes on about stuff you don’t agree with, you should neg her by agreeing and amplifying, i.e. taking what she’s saying to an extreme and then agreeing with that. But then turn the conversation back to her emotions and background and experiences and so on. Emotional stuff.

    Letting girls just talk on incessantly about stuff you’re not at all interested in is kinda beta. Though some of that may be necessary with many girls in a LTR. Some but not interminable amounts on trivial stuff. That’s what she’s got gf’s for.

    What I say is that at early stages of dating and in fact often in later stages as well, in situations where conversation rather than just banter is called for (such as a meal together such as in Chateau story above), the guy becoming alpha or there, should be getting her to do most of the talking, but he should guide her towards what he wants her to talk about. By asking questions, showing interest in what interests him and thus encouraging her there, making perceptive observations about her, and further leading questions that branch from what’s she’s said if that works, or else jump to something new, and so on.

    Revealing her emotions and what she most cares about will make her feel more understood, attracted and connected. It will greatly build her comfort. Just babbling on won’t much. But neither will his not listening to her much or getting what she’s saying when it is revealing.

    It’s often good at the earliest stages e.g. on the pickup for the guy to answer her interview questions with implausible bs responses, kidding around w/her. But then answer in a somewhat inflated way, but do it by hinting around. Then turn it back to her. Then tell a dramatic vignette perhaps of a tough spot you got out of from your travel or mountain climbing or kayaking etc. adventures, or just how much you loved this foreign spot etc. But just one at a time then back to her self revelation, guided by your perceptive interest.

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  37. on January 31, 2011 at 5:47 pm luvsic

    I think this is the most important concept missing from most guy’s “game.” They tend to see game as an active state, and too often turn into entertainers/know it alls.

    I cringe when I think about dates of my past when I really tried to step up and impress. Each was usually a mitigated disaster, I had the date because they were interested in me to begin with, and I basically drove them away with retarded and BORING conversation that I thought showed them how interesting and smart I was.

    The best advice you can give your friends when they’re interacting with girls is to just shut the hell up and keep it fun and light.

    This advice works well in other social/professional arenas as well. The big/long winded talkers usually dig their own graves.

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  38. on January 31, 2011 at 5:47 pm Woof

    This one’s easy. Encourage her to run her mouth. Pretend to stare at her as she blabs. You nod knowingly. Occasionally say “I understand”.

    You don’t have to pay complete attention. There might be useful intel in 5% of what she says. Just don’t let your mind drift too much for when she her mouth tired and asks a question. Have a canned response that puts it back on her. Pretend like you’re considering the question and turn it around. “Hmm…. I understand. What do your other friends think?” The “other” is in case she was talking about a friend and you missed all of it.

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  39. on January 31, 2011 at 5:54 pm Doug1

    Fade–

    and not much at the club i met her at the weekend before. once you get physical and logistical game down pat, an emotional connection can be more of a barrier to sex (she makes you wait longer) than anything else.

    This can be true too. I’m talking more post sex where you want at least a full bore fling with the girl.

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  40. on January 31, 2011 at 5:57 pm Woof

    Ever heard a woman say “You’re not listening!” when you think you were? That means she doesn’t want your input or opinion or for you to solve the problem. She wants you to shut up and be a sponge. Of course, no man can truely absorb that much crap. Just pretend to. Sure you’ll get caught occasionally but that plays to the aloof asshole image.

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  41. on January 31, 2011 at 5:57 pm Malcolm Tucker

    Laconic.

    Wow. That’s a word that others have used to describe me before I’d even heard about game. And now that I am beginning to understand more and more about women, it’s 100% true that saying less can be a killer move. At least in my experience.

    Every guy is different, but being terse and being ambiguous are two of my biggest tricks and they work well together. They’re actually written in my notebook, and yeah I take notes when I read, hear, or stumble upon techniques that work. In fact, many of the most useful notes have come from posts on this blog. I use a small pocket notebook (Writersblok’s the brand) so I can sneak a peak in the pisser if necessary for inspiration as needed. Geeky but effective.

    Being laconic can work IMO because it feeds that air of mystery into which women enjoy projecting their fantasies, notions, ideas, or whatever else they’re feeling at the moment. Just keep the feelings positive and they become attracted to you for some reason, like bees to a beautiful flower on a gorgeous summer afternoon. Or flies on shit in the winter rain. Whatever.

    It’s like you become a mad lib that she fills in with her favorite feelings. Just get her talking and inject an occasional question and a few soothing/understanding/surprised/disapproving/whatever noises at the right times in her stories, while being sure to pay attention to at least some of the details, storyline, or whatever so you can appear interested. That’ll keep her going.

    I’ve done this for a straight hour or two over drinks in the past. One chick who came home with me after a night where I did this told me I should have become a shrink because I was so understanding and got her so well so quickly. No bullshit. All I did was keep my trap shut and occasionally use some ploy to keep her talking and suddenly I’m Mr. Mysterious McUnderstanding and we just clicked. I did it by accident, but now I know why it worked.

    Like jazz and what’s between the notes being just as important as the notes themselves: it’s the power of silence or what’s left unsaid that can get the old hamster going.

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  42. on January 31, 2011 at 6:11 pm C

    LOL at Malcome T, who is so very laconic.

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  43. on January 31, 2011 at 6:16 pm Dreamer

    It sounds like that guy is talking a lot because he is trying to impress her with. Talking too little stem is from fear. Trying hard to impress or being fearful are both not very attractive.

    Actually being comfortable and confident means he wouldn’t run his mouth listing all his accomplishments nor be so afraid to say anything at all. Leading to actual engagement. Terseness still helps.

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  44. on January 31, 2011 at 6:27 pm Anton

    Men prefer laconic men too. STFU.

    [Editor: So when did you first discover you were a fudgepacker? Not judging.]

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  45. on January 31, 2011 at 6:30 pm Gmac

    Nail on the head.

    I learned this a few years ago myself. Until you’ve got it down (and unless you are already a great listener) it’s very important to ‘consciously’ shut the fuck up and let the woman speak. Women love to hear themselves talk, just make sure you are at least half paying attention so you can contribute or bring something up later. You’ll have her wet in no time because you “connected” with her.

    Gmac

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  46. on January 31, 2011 at 6:49 pm Anton

    [Editor: So when did you first discover you were a fudgepacker? Not judging.]

    Very alpha. Good one.

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  47. on January 31, 2011 at 6:54 pm Xander

    I think the real lesson here is never to be boring. And if a girl doesn’t feel involved in the conversation (either because you won’t let her get involved or because she has no way to riff off of your stock market commentary), then she’ll be bored.

    I can think of dozens of situations where acting laconic can be really good (usually on early dates), and dozens more where it can be bad.

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  48. on January 31, 2011 at 6:55 pm Mr. C

    Don’t take her to dinner on the first date because you then have the issue/politics of who pays and if the date does not go well you are stuck there for at least an hour or more.

    Something casual and informal like coffee/tea or a drink or even brunch/lunch is far better.

    How you say what you say is just as important (if not moreso) than what you say.

    Pay particular attention to :

    Your voice tone.

    Your inflections … inflecting “up” at the end of a question in beta. Inflecting down at the end of a question is alpha.

    How fast you speak. Talking fast , no matter how much information you have to convey , sounds needy and is beta.
    Slow down the speed of your speech.
    Listen to 007 – James Bond , does he ever talk fast or sound like he is in a hurry ?

    Ideally , she should be asking you more questions that you are asking her.
    When a woman is interested in you and you are of value in her eyes … she will ask you questions.
    Unless she thinks you are possibly too high value in which case she may feel intimidated and either talk too much herself (to validate herself to you or out of nervousness) and/or not ask questions.

    If she says something genuinely funny , laugh … but not too much.
    If she says something amusing … smile/smirk.

    Watch your body language when you are speaking to her.
    Don’t wave your hands/arms around too much … it’s probably better to err on the side of slow, controlled, deliberate moves.

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  49. on January 31, 2011 at 6:57 pm Mr. C

    Furthermore …. pay attention and listen to what she says.

    Pay Attention …. women will often tell you alot of stuff but not in a direct way ; you have to read between the lines much more than you realise.

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  50. on January 31, 2011 at 7:10 pm The Bastard

    Women may say they want a man who shares his feelings…but the truth … is that women love laconic men.

    I don’t entirely agree with this. Men who volunteer their feelings are a turn off but as with everything else, a reward earned through work and dilligence commands respect. Reward her with some innermost thoughts only when she has deservedly earned them.

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  51. on January 31, 2011 at 7:24 pm Rollo Tomassi

    A woman’s imagination is the single most useful tool in your Game toolkit. Every technique, every casual response, every gesture, intimation and subcommunication hinges on stimulating her imagination. Competition anxiety relies on it. DHV relies on it. Sexual tension (gina tingles) relies on it.

    This is the single greatest failing of average frustrated chumps; they vomit out everything about themselves, divulging the full truth of themselves to women in the mistaken belief that women desire that truth as a basis for qualifying for their intimacy. Learn this now: Women NEVER want full disclosure. Nothing is more self-satisfying for a woman than to think she’s figured a Man out based solely on her feminine intuition (i.e. imagination).

    When a man overtly confirms his character, his story, his value, etc. for a woman, the mystery is dispelled and the bio-chemical rush she enjoyed from her imaginings, her suspicions, her self-confirmations about you are GONE. AFCs classically do exactly this on the first date and wonder why they get LJBF’d promptly after it – this is why. Generally betas will ramble on incessantly for hours on a date, hours on the phone, or deluge a woman with a constant stream of texts and e-communications all in an effort to make her comfortable enough to fuck him. Chumps buy into the most common of female platitudes – a woman must be comfortable with a man before she’ll want to fuck him. So he rattles off his life story machine gun style in an expedient effort to bypass the most crucial stage in seduction, arousal. Most chumps are either too unfamiliar or too uncomfortable with the arousal stage to truly develop and relish it as they should. Unadmittedly women love this phase because of the excitement it generates. This is the first real shit test a woman poses to a man; is he familiar enough with women to know how to proceed in tantalizing her hindbrain?

    Familiarity is anti-seductive. Nothing kills Game, lust and libido like comfortable familiarity. Despite their common bleating filibuster tactics, women don’t want to be comfortable with a potential sex partner, they need their imaginations stoked to be excited, aroused and anxious to want sex with a potential partner.

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  52. on January 31, 2011 at 7:37 pm Anton

    RT: on the money.

    Especially this: “Chumps buy into the most common of female platitudes – a woman must be comfortable with a man before she’ll want to fuck him.”

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  53. on January 31, 2011 at 7:39 pm Matt

    Like Chris Rock says, simply ask your woman, “Honey, how was your day? That’s a forty-five minute conversation!”

    On the flipside, though, a lot of women don’t seem to understand that men value silence a great deal of the time. There’s something about the phrase “shut up” that doesn’t click with ’em.

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  54. on January 31, 2011 at 7:58 pm Feh

    Don’t knock anti-game. I don’t know how many times anti-game has been useful in turning off grasping, selfish, worthless women. Works like a fucking charm. The Way is essentially strategic, not the stolid exercise of one set of tactics.

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  55. on January 31, 2011 at 8:08 pm Feh

    Say less, as a rule. Say more if it builds your frame, or breaks down theirs. You will be surprised at the effect this has.

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  56. on January 31, 2011 at 8:25 pm Feh

    “On the flipside, though, a lot of women don’t seem to understand that men value silence a great deal of the time. There’s something about the phrase ‘shut up’ that doesn’t click with ‘em.”

    It clicks all too well, actually. They know that silence most often means a man doesn’t give a damn. That puts their hamster in a panic, the result of which is yapping. Yapping’s goal is either to regain frame (the feminist yap) or to elicit dominance on your part (the feminine yap).

    Dominate both. More often than not, with wit. Which assuaged both.

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  57. on January 31, 2011 at 8:39 pm Gil

    When women say “they want a nice guy with whom they can share their thoughts and feelings with as well as a rugged man who’s a pair of balls who stands up for himself and is the one she wants to have sex with” she’s actually talking about two seperate guys.

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  58. on January 31, 2011 at 8:56 pm DirkJohanson

    Laconic game worked great for me last weekend. I was in Medellin, speak little Spanish, and was hopelessly unable to understand anything anyone was saying, so I talked little – in fact, I barely tried.

    Oh, and I fucked 7 cute-to-hot chicks.

    Ok, I know, its Medellin, and with minimal effort and money, even a guy with awful game can, in a weekend, fuck 7 chicks. But it was still SEVEN chicks.

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  59. on January 31, 2011 at 9:07 pm Me

    Steve McQueen would not talk a woman’s ear off.

    Be a Steve. Not a Stue.

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  60. on January 31, 2011 at 10:02 pm Anonymous

    Yo, babe.

    Uh huh.

    Yeah.

    Nope.

    Wanna f*ck?

    Great.

    (That, plus be a douchebag.)

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  61. on January 31, 2011 at 10:12 pm modernguy

    The contradiction is that these women go on dates and 90 percent of the time the guys they’re dating are not going to be their long term partners. So the only significant thing between them (from the male perspective) is sex. So the mystery to average guy is, what does it take for me to get in on some action with this worthless slut, and why is she making it so difficult? Women want their pointless and empty existence validated through interminable petty small talk and indirect affirmations of their sexual viability. The ironic thing is that they are incapable of being truly unique but they all want to be appreciated for their individuality. What women need to efface their overblown narcissism and vanity is hard labor. Girls should spend two or three years in their adolescence in a hard labor camp breaking rocks or digging ditches to better understand men.

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  62. on January 31, 2011 at 10:24 pm Carl Sagan

    This is a very fine art

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  63. on January 31, 2011 at 11:30 pm Another Alpha

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/oscar-curse-study-researc_n_816295.html

    “Why do you think a Best Actress win affects women negatively and not men?

    Multiple possibilities, as other research before ours has documented. One has to do with the general social norm that kind of requires a man to have higher professional and economic status over the wife. So whenever that social norm is violated, both husband and wife may feel discomfort–could be either one of them. We know from other situations that the strain that marriages feel under that circumstance is not unusual and people try to overcome it in a variety of different ways.

    One study looked at couples where the wife earns more and has a more demanding job and you would expect the division of labor to shift towards the husband, but the wife may actually increase how much she does in the house and the husband decrease, just to make the marriage feel more “normal.” It can be that the husband feels inferior and doesn’t accept the lower status. [So the divorce could happen because] the woman who outgrows the relationship. Or it was [an] unhappy [marriage] to begin with and with the sudden increase in status feels like she can move on.”

    http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/30/how-economics-saved-my-marriage.html

    “As a business-news editor, I was already mired in news about housing bubbles, market noise, and incentives—which, oddly, seemed to have parallels at home. My relationship bubble had burst not long after I said “I do.” Were we insufficiently compatible—or just reacting to screwed-up incentives?

    I realize this might sound nuts to some people. But I was convinced I was onto something, that the principles of economics—often fact-based and always pragmatic—could reveal the route to wedded bliss (or, in econ-speak, “utility”). So I picked up the phone and cold-called Gary Becker. This also might sound nuts. Gary Becker is one of the world’s most famous living economists. He’s won the Nobel Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. But could he give relationship advice?”

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/07/why-masturbation-helps-procreation.html?obref=obinsite

    “Masturbation might remove old, worn-out, broken sperm from the reproductive tract. That would increase the fraction of healthy, speedy sperm, improving a male’s chance of becoming a father. “In humans, masturbation increases sperm quality (by promoting younger sperm) without affecting sperm numbers in the female reproductive tract,” notes biologist Jane Waterman of the University of Central Florida in a new paper in the journal PLoS One. As far back as 1993, biologists had observed that masturbating decreased the number of sperm a man delivered the next time he had sex with his partner, but not the number of sperm the woman retained. They concluded that “masturbation is a male strategy to increase sperm fitness.”

    Research presented at a science meeting last year offered support for the fitter-sperm idea. Ejaculating daily for seven days improved sperm quality as measured by the amount of DNA damage: levels of damage averaged 34 percent on a standard measurement index after three days’ abstinence, but after a week of … um, non-abstinence, the level of damage dropped to 26 percent, in the “fair” range for sperm quality. Looking only at men whose sperm damage decreased (in a few, damage got worse for some reason), the average damage level fell to just under 23 percent—putting them in the “good” range. In addition, sperm motility rose significantly. Result: healthier and possibly more babies.”

    AA

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  64. on February 1, 2011 at 12:33 am Bob Smith

    This is simple. Women are, by and large, narcissists. Therefore they don’t want to hear you talk, they want to hear themselves talk. Getting a woman to talk all night about herself is easy.

    I’ve had women complain I didn’t talk enough and “they don’t know me”. Of course, if I had talked about myself they’d no doubt then complain I was a dud for talking about myself.

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  65. on February 1, 2011 at 12:38 am quetal

    “Reward her with some innermost thoughts only when she has deservedly earned them.” so that she can use them against you?

    I don’t even want to share with her my sexual fantasies.

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  66. on February 1, 2011 at 1:11 am donlak

    Simply apply the 2:1 ratio even in how much you are talking in comparison to the girl. hey better yet if it’s 3:1 or more. even girls know they’re talking nonesense most of the time.
    And you should never be trying to impress a girl. Reeks of approval seeking, it’s why i say if you need to bring out the guitar to seduce a woman, you’re doing it wrong. talking endlessly impresses no one. Girls do it naturally, we just nod and make funny quips because their our entertainment.
    Also, what’s this guy doing? Dinner for a first date? Game fail.

    peace.

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  67. on February 1, 2011 at 1:22 am Bounder

    Women don’t contribute to something that isn’t an immediately socially gratified. SAY IT ISN’T SO.

    Women get more college degrees but do so much less with them.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Where-Are-All-the-Wiki-Women-6785

    “Today’s disclosure that only 13 percent of Wikipedia articles are written by women had much of media world shaking their digital heads. It’s a little surprising, especially given that the option of contributing to Wikipedia’s vast cultural database is open to anyone with an idea and a keyboard, with little of the implicit male-dominated infrastructure of more traditional corporate or media organizations.”

    Surprising? If you don’t pay attention to how life actually is.

    The best part is the immediate resort to “blaming the patriarchy” in a completely anonymous environment.

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  68. on February 1, 2011 at 2:15 am Feldspar

    I’m naturally not very talkative and I prefer quiet girls. If we are having an engaging conversation that’s fine but I’m not going to sit and listen to boring chatter. I find myself making fun of her every chance I get. Johnny namedrop is the worst.

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  69. on February 1, 2011 at 2:21 am xsplat

    It’s not beta. Most normal girls talk a lot. They talk about seemingly silly things like what Judi had for lunch, the crappy day they had, what such and such wore at the VMAs, etc. In a relationship, there’s no getting around that. My GF talks a lot and I usually say “Right, right, right…uh huh.” Then she usually says, “you didn’t listen to a word I said,” to which I reply, “Right, right.” I mean, if she’s talking about her mother having cancer, then obviously I’ll pay attention, but if she’s talking about the new boots she picked up at a 50% discount from DSW, I just keep flipping channels and say “Right, right, right.”

    You are doing it wrong.

    Tell her to have conversations like that with your girlfriends. Be much more rude. Be irritated. Tell her to shut the fuck up.

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  70. on February 1, 2011 at 2:23 am xsplat

    .. conversations like that with HER girlfriends.

    I’m dead serious.

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  71. on February 1, 2011 at 2:44 am old guy

    Ball gag.

    Keep the champagne bubbles in the bottle.

    Just sayin’.

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  72. on February 1, 2011 at 2:51 am xsplat

    Woof

    Ever heard a woman say “You’re not listening!” when you think you were? That means she doesn’t want your input or opinion or for you to solve the problem. She wants you to shut up and be a sponge. Of course, no man can truely absorb that much crap. Just pretend to. Sure you’ll get caught occasionally but that plays to the aloof asshole image.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with this most beta of all attitudes.

    She is there to entertain you. If she isn’t doing a good job, provoke it out of her.

    When you deal with children, they can be dull. So sometimes you have to tell jokes that are just slightly over the kids head so you can get a laugh in. Or sometimes you revert to simple Mr. Bean humor anyone can get. The point is that you use the situation for your own personal entertainment. You don’t just grit your teeth and get through the rough spots.

    No matter the girls conversational or intellectual abilities, you can make her fun. And if she is being boring, change the subject or get her to shut up.

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  73. on February 1, 2011 at 2:53 am xsplat

    With girls who suck at conversation, I just play with my laptop on the dinner date. I do a lot of ignoring.

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  74. on February 1, 2011 at 3:03 am xsplat

    I’ve done this for a straight hour or two over drinks in the past. One chick who came home with me after a night where I did this told me I should have become a shrink because I was so understanding and got her so well so quickly. No bullshit. All I did was keep my trap shut and occasionally use some ploy to keep her talking and suddenly I’m Mr. Mysterious McUnderstanding and we just clicked. I did it by accident, but now I know why it worked.

    I have doubts that letting a woman lead the conversation and letting her build quite that much comfort and understanding is a good thing.

    You want to constantly have her feel that you are leading the dance – that the two of you are dacing and jazzing, but that you are leading. Letting her mouth ramble on and on about her feelings won’t get you there – it’s not edgy enough.

    She should feel challenged by you, usually by you constantly saying off beat things that catch her off guard and make her laugh. She should feel inferior to your pleasant and charming wit – both at ease and titilated. She should not just feel as if she’s found a long lost best friend. She needs excitement even more than comfort.

    Don’t let her lead.

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  75. on February 1, 2011 at 2:59 am Bruno

    Let it be said, though, that while women feel disgusted by talkative men, they do crave men who know how to speak properly, although sparingly. A good tone of voice and eloquence are major vagina wetters.

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  76. on February 1, 2011 at 5:15 am Viagra_Falls

    like a bug on the windshield, xsplat on the scene 😉

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  77. on February 1, 2011 at 6:01 am Bricona

    @doug

    Agreed.

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  78. on February 1, 2011 at 6:44 am lawyerjourno

    What about other physical weaknesses which masturbation causes including of loss in memory, concentration, vitality, etc. You may masturbate and increase your sperms but what for? What is the use of it unless some women is eager to bear a child for you. In the sense you are masturbating just for you do not have a girl, if you had probabaly you would not. Then it is a kind of an excuse to masturbate.

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  79. on February 1, 2011 at 8:36 am Danny

    @lawyerjourno

    There is never a time I, or most men, needed an excuse to masturbate.

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  80. on February 1, 2011 at 8:42 am Rollo Tomassi

    The greatest disconnect women have about chatty men is rooted in traditional gender dynamics: Women talk, Men do.

    Think about it. When Men get together as friends it is usually based around some activity or event. It may be on the golf course or shooting pool or some shared interest or common goal (“lets build something”). However, the script is flipped when women get together socially; the point is to converse, the activity they agree upon is simply an excuse for interaction. The point of women’s socialization IS communication.

    Men are more about doing things together, women more about getting together to interact. So when a man is overly verbose he assumes the qualities and presence of one of her girlfriends. He’s not “a Man”. He assumes a feminine perception for her. Beyond the excitement factor, one of the reasons ‘action dates’ leave such a lasting impression on women is because a Man is drawing her into his frame of doing things by default. ‘Doing’ is what a Man does, and women pick up on this predisposition.

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  81. on February 1, 2011 at 8:53 am Anton

    @quetal
    “Reward her with some innermost thoughts only when she has deservedly earned them.” so that she can use them against you?

    Absolutely. Women will ultimately weaponize information you give them about yourself. Don’t tell them anything of importance.

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  82. on February 1, 2011 at 8:54 am Anton

    I’m serious.

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  83. on February 1, 2011 at 9:06 am Lara

    Good comments Rollo. The most fun times I’ve ever had with men were when we did some activity he was good at and I wasn’t.

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  84. on February 1, 2011 at 9:59 am O-face

    “Talking too much fails on multiple dimensions: it increases the odds you’ll say something dull or beta, it strips away mystery, and it demonstrates a lack of interest in the woman’s values and desires. ”

    This is great advice, but how do you keep the flame in a long term relationship going when you’re mystery is going to diminish over the years, is this the reason PUAs suck at relationships? And if so what is the solution?

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  85. on February 1, 2011 at 10:07 am xsplat

    oface

    This is great advice, but how do you keep the flame in a long term relationship going when you’re mystery is going to diminish over the years, is this the reason PUAs suck at relationships? And if so what is the solution?

    Don’t tell her where you’re going when you go out, for one thing.

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  86. on February 1, 2011 at 10:13 am Ari Hinkelberger

    It’s funny that you bring up this topic, because I actually find the exact OPPOSITE when it comes to early dates with chicks.

    I think venue and setting is very important. You must sit at the bar, no table between you both, you must consume alcohol or shit just doesn’t get to where it needs to get to and early on do not order food, just beer and wine.

    But on to the subject: From my observations women for the most part are TERRIBLE social talkers. They are nervous as shit half the time, they have no idea how to crack jokes and throw out some sarcasm – and their small talk consists of the same old boring shit like family, travel and work.

    I can chat it up with the best of them, but when the chick isn’t providing any “give” in the give and take – shit sucks.
    I find that on most dates women sit back and expect the guy to do all the work. It’s like a dog and fucking pony show. She sits in the bar stool, drinks off my tab, i try to rub her belly and get her to laugh. If she laughs, I get to put my hand down her pants. That’s dating fellas.

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  87. on February 1, 2011 at 10:52 am namae nanka

    2)Don’t flush everytime you leave the toilet.

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  88. on February 1, 2011 at 10:59 am Corporal Hicks

    @Lara

    Why do women feel the need to post here?

    It’s kinda like listening to a female sportscaster.

    Nails on the chalkboard.

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  89. on February 1, 2011 at 11:02 am Malcolm Tucker

    @ C

    LOL at Malcome (sic) T, who is so very laconic

    Fair enough.

    Although of course the same could be said for Chateau’s post. He sure talks a lot too, in order to explain his point.

    @Mr. C

    Pay particular attention to :
    Your voice tone.
    Your inflections … inflecting “up” at the end of a question in beta. Inflecting down at the end of a question is alpha.
    How fast you speak. Talking fast , no matter how much information you have to convey , sounds needy and is beta.
    Slow down the speed of your speech.

    John Wayne on acting: “Talk low, talk slow and don’t say too much.”

    @xsplat

    You want to constantly have her feel that you are leading the dance – that the two of you are dacing and jazzing, but that you are leading. Letting her mouth ramble on and on about her feelings won’t get you there – it’s not edgy enough.

    Also fair enough, but talking isn’t the only way to lead, or even the most effective way. Attitude, body language, actions, unstated assumptions, etc. can be used to lead as well.

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  90. on February 1, 2011 at 11:07 am xsplat

    Right, talking isn’t the only way to lead. But if you let her ramble on in a conversation that you are not interested in, you are letting her lead.

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  91. on February 1, 2011 at 11:08 am Malcolm Tucker

    @Mr. C

    You’re so right about the tone thing.

    When a man ends a statement with a high tone as though it was a question, it instantly signals that he’s a SWPL pussy to me. And usually a passive aggressive NPR-loving boring motherfucker as well, who thinks Car Talk is the epitome of automotive understanding. Pathetic.

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  92. on February 1, 2011 at 11:22 am Science

    this post explains why I find it hard to believe that xsplat and Gorbachev get laid at all.

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  93. on February 1, 2011 at 11:23 am Corporal Hicks

    Any announcer or newscaster on NPR sounds like a flaming faggot.

    And that’s intentional.

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  94. on February 1, 2011 at 11:24 am Science

    also, what ever happened to greatbooksformen? i miss him 😦 lolzolzozlzolzoz

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  95. on February 1, 2011 at 11:40 am what

    Quiet confidence = yummy, yummy!!!

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  96. on February 1, 2011 at 11:58 am Corporal Hicks

    Hamsters want to run.

    Let the hamster run.

    Do not interrupt the hamster on her run.

    I’m done here.

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  97. on February 1, 2011 at 12:03 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Science

    You’re right. Guys can practice being *laconic* right here in the comments section.

    I’ve summed up Roosh’s post in three sentences (above.)

    But, I guess it’s a process. Guys have a awful lot of pre-programmed beta-tude to throw off. It’s a heavy yoke.

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  98. on February 1, 2011 at 12:21 pm Lara

    Corporal Hicks,
    Considering the discussion is about what women find attractive, I would think my input would be appreciated.

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  99. on February 1, 2011 at 12:50 pm julian

    being verbose in writing is not beta, necessarily. not when every sentence is worth it’s weight in gold. some people here have no sense of literary history. it’s the delivery, content and quality that matters.

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  100. on February 1, 2011 at 12:51 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Lara

    Your input belongs on Oprah, not here.

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  101. on February 1, 2011 at 12:52 pm julian

    in fact, i think men who are naturally literary or eloquent should “get it all out” in their writing, because even the most brilliant wordsmith should remain laconic when he is dealing socially with women.

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  102. on February 1, 2011 at 12:53 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Lara

    ….but I understand the hamster must run…..

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  103. on February 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm SN2

    This is generally true when dealing with girls who are older than, lets say 22 or 23 in my experience.

    If you’re used to dating much younger girls I think you’d find that speaking more than them will generally put them at ease and elevate your status in their eyes. Speak passionately about your hobbies, interests and whatever else and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

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  104. on February 1, 2011 at 1:03 pm almost 40 yoV

    If only women could do the same and shut the fuck up for a while, I´d actually consider bothering with one.

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  105. on February 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm Lara

    julian,
    I agree. Even talking a lot isn’t always beta, some men have interesting things to say. I think what is beta is more the fact that a man would be trying to sell himself to you too hard or that he would be overly concerned with filling awkward silences. If he wants to talk or write about something I don’t see why he shouldn’t do so.

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  106. on February 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm blert

    Speech cadence and eye contact / head posture can throw off alpha or beta waves.

    To my mind nothing says nerves more than rapid speech.

    Meg Ryan occupies three roles in Joe Versus the Volcano. Her brunette and redhead are beautifully crafted in tempo and mannerism to evidence Dependency, Counter-Dependency and finally, as a blonde: Interdependency.

    Tom Hanks goes from Omega to Alpha/ uber-Beta.

    Ryan goes from diss’ing him to compulsive attraction: her limbic system fires off the go-code.

    By the end Hanks is a man of very few words.

    Laconia, indeed.

    Hollywood has cranked out any number of scenes that demo the alpha style: she’s starry-eyed smitten on Bogart or Dean or ‘Bond’ — his eyes are off and about ‘controlling the outer world’ and orchestrating events.

    So not only is it wise to say less but it pays to ignore her beauty as best you can — all the more if she’s a knock-out.

    Always maintain a reserve of impatience; to get away from ‘this crowd’ and get personal. Thusly, loud venues provide advantage.

    The need to leave at will is just another reason to NOT diner date.

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  107. on February 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm Zammo

    @ Lara

    “Considering the discussion is about what women find attractive, I would think my input would be appreciated.”

    Do you date or sleep with women?

    When giving dating or relationship advice, women simply parrot back what society expects them to say…

    “I’m attracted to nice guys.”

    You’re supposed to say that. Ah, but the actions of women, that’s where the truth comes out.

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  108. on February 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm DirkJohanson

    To add to what Anonymous wrote at 10:02 PM last nite

    “qual cuantos,” which I think means “how much” in Spanish. Anyway, whatever it is, it, and little else, did the, uh, er, trick with 7 girls in one weekend.

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  109. on February 1, 2011 at 2:57 pm Firepower

    DirkJohanson

    To add to what Anonymous wrote at 10:02 PM last nite

    “qual cuantos,” which I think means “how much” in Spanish. Anyway, whatever it is, it, and little else, did the, uh, er, trick with 7 girls in one weekend.

    dude, you like septupled rooshs’ notchcount for an entire month. At 1/590th cost per notch, too.

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  110. on February 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm Anton

    @
    Malcolm Tucker
    @ C

    LOL at Malcome (sic) T, who is so very laconic

    Fair enough.

    Although of course the same could be said for Chateau’s post. He sure talks a lot too, in order to explain his point.

    @Science

    You’re right. Guys can practice being *laconic* right here in the comments section.

    I made the same points earlier, and got hit with a (misguided) “fudgepacker” bomb.

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  111. on February 1, 2011 at 3:20 pm ATC

    MM calls for the guy to do 90 percent of the talking in the first several minutes after the approach.

    If you are talking about natural greater-omegas and lesser betas, we have been interrupted, marginalized and cut off so many times that we are naturally pretty quiet.

    And it comes off as quiet like a fretting doggie in the corner, not quiet as in laconic.

    I think all greater omegas need to go through a talky phase (while remembering to put in the emotional blah blah) in order to make it to middling beta – which is a big improvement if you start out in omega-land.

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  112. on February 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm desiderius

    “Corporal Hicks,
    Considering the discussion is about what women find attractive, I would think my input would be appreciated.”

    And….. asshole game works again.

    Keep trying to qualify, Lara, you’ll win him over eventually.

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  113. on February 1, 2011 at 5:07 pm Bortimus

    “Tell me about the women at work whom you dislike.”

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  114. on February 1, 2011 at 6:42 pm Me

    @modernguy

    FUCKIN’ EH RIGHT!

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  115. on February 1, 2011 at 7:36 pm betondo fuchatuch

    Lara
    I’ve gone out with guys like this and it does build attraction. If he doesn’t talk much I start to think maybe I am boring him and will work harder to ingratiate myself to him.

    Bullseye.

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  116. on February 2, 2011 at 12:23 am Science Matters

    It won’t matter much what men want in the end. Men are being purposely poisoned via the water-supply and chemicals in just about everything. Our DNA will start unraveling and we will die even younger and that’s when synthetic female sperm will create a female-only army.

    Days-Numbered.

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  117. on February 2, 2011 at 1:00 am n/a

    “Lara” is an excellent commenter: one of the few women who ever responds directly and relevantly to the content of the original posts. And she acts her age.

    The younger female commenter in this thread shd. just bend over for young azn anal.

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  118. on February 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm Canadian Cincinnatus

    I think talking too much is a problem that Barack Obama after he became President. There is a lot of similarity between a leader wooing the people and a man wooing a woman. In his first year he gave 411 speeches and 158 interviews. By talking so much he helped break the Obamania spell. People want an E.F. Hutton man for a leader the same way that a woman wants one as a boyfriend.

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  119. on February 2, 2011 at 8:15 pm The Dude

    The more you talk, the less remains a mystery.
    You don’t want a girl to know every little detail about you and your day – they get bored and it leaves nothing to their imagination.
    I’ve always followed this philosophy, so many times a girl has said to me “I never know what you’re thinking! it’s so frustrating!”
    Just smirk and brush it off

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  120. on February 2, 2011 at 7:27 pm Emily

    So, so, true.
    I’ve decided 95% of betas are hyperverbal, and part of this is due to the amount of power-driven jobs here.
    They wear me out – it doesn’t matter how great the job is, how many gifts and cupcakes I’m sent, how much character he has, how attractive, etc. All the noise becomes irritating, particularly if even 30% of it is about feelings.

    I know when I’m with an alpha.

    It’s quiet in the car, at dinner. We watch eachother, survey eachother’s body and how it moves. If he has something to say, I know he meant to say it so it must have been important. I don’t get zillions of texts or emails with informational articles. He says what he means to say directly, raw sometimes. He does not need to constantly have me around.

    My theory is, the more feminine the woman, the more likely she will appreciate a true alpha and overlook his shortcomings (because there will be many serious ones)……simply because his sheer male-ness makes her feel more female.

    Alpha males remind me of lions, pacing, watching (never dancing)…..and then chasing when they spotted what they want. 🙂

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  121. on February 3, 2011 at 1:02 pm Tinderbox

    modernguy said:
    The ironic thing is that [women] are incapable of being truly unique but they all want to be appreciated for their individuality.

    Yes.

    donlak said:
    And you should never be trying to impress a girl. Reeks of approval seeking, it’s why i say if you need to bring out the guitar to seduce a woman, you’re doing it wrong

    On the other hand, if playing the guitar gives you pleasure, then by all means do it. Particularly if the alternative is listening to her blab blab blab.

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  122. on February 3, 2011 at 2:43 pm Firepower

    Your success
    at dating dudes
    who play WoW online
    in your ‘rents basement
    definitely applies

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  123. on February 3, 2011 at 3:06 pm vanmetr@bellsouth.net

    When I was overseas, I would take dates to a hotel bar that featured a huge pipe organ. Very loud. I took them there because I didnt speak the local language, so we couldnt have talked even if I had wanted to. The place seemed pretty classy, a few drinks, some eye contact and then back to another hotel for the action.

    Never occured to me that chicks prefer laconic men. Funny how you can look back and see where you have bumped into game principles and never realized it.

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  124. on February 3, 2011 at 6:45 pm Anonymous

    Off-topic, but… NEWS FLASH– the Rationalization Hamster afflicts gay men! Evidence: “Bug chasing,” the getting/giving of HIV/AIDS for the thrill of it ’cause they don’t have a ‘gina to tingle!

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  125. on February 4, 2011 at 7:53 am Exeter

    vanmetr

    Never occured to me that chicks prefer laconic men. Funny how you can look back and see where you have bumped into game principles and never realized it.

    True. When I look back over the years at the times I did score good looking chicks, before I knew about “game”, it is funny how I got them by accidentally doing the things that are written on this blog.

    A little anecdote: One that sticks out in my mind, is years ago when I was a shy guy and I worked at this job, and we got a new employee, a real pretty chick. I figured, ya know what, instead of throwing some shit lines at her I’m just going to ignore the fuck out of her. Fuck it, I didn’t care anyway because I had just gotten out of a shitty relationship and needed a break, and I also didn’t want to be with a chick at work.

    She ends up working in my area, right next to me, and I didn’t introduce myself, talk to her, or even look in her direction. I watched a few guys go up to her and throw their lukewarm lines at her, and found it amusing. To prevent from being seen as a loner weirdo I did talk to everyone else in the place and had friends.

    Long story short, we end up going out and had an LTR. A few weeks into it, she asks me:

    “I have a question, why did you ignore me at work?”

    “Me? Ignore you? What are you talking about?”

    “You didn’t talk to me at all.”

    And then, I blew it:

    “Because pretty girls don’t like to be ignored.”

    I gave away it, and did similar stupid things like that, and it went downhill from there.

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  126. on February 14, 2011 at 5:09 pm Gorbachev

    This has been a problem for me from time to time: too much talking. I’ve done a good job controlling this, but a reminder is good.

    All men should file this away and refer to it frequently.

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