“blert” left this insightful comment about throwing off an alpha vibe:
Always maintain a reserve of impatience; to get away from ‘this crowd’ and get personal. Thusly, loud venues provide advantage.
The need to leave at will is just another reason to NOT dinner date.
This confirms my real-life experience. When I have gotten agitated at busy bars or events and made direct challenges to the girl in my company for us to “get out of here”, her eyes lit up with a mix of confusion and excitement. As an opportunity to showcase higher value, taking a girl out to a loud, crowded venue could serve as an excellent springboard to display leadership traits.
“I don’t want to be here right now, getting sweated on. I’m leaving.”
“Where are you going?!”, as she follows you out the door.
“Your place.”
The air of impatience with societal convention — and people in general — is an alpha characteristic. The alpha male does not suffer fools — or dancing, drinking douchebags — gladly. His impatience is borne of a cultivated sense of self-regard, as well as an anger directed at contrived social situations which thwart his zeal to fornicate RIGHT NOW.
Maxim #50: The prime directive of the alpha male is fornication. Anything which hinders the fulfillment of the prime directive is to be vanquished as a foe or excised from the mind as a cancer.
the only thing my way is her jeans. must. vanquish. jeans.
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Bonus points: refer to others as sheeple
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A rather lazy natural friend of mine does something similar when he’s talking to other people. Whenever he’s bored with someone he simply walks away without saying a word, often in the middle of a conversation. He’s also done it for laughs on hot women, to great effect.
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“The alpha male does not suffer fools — or dancing, drinking douchebags — gladly.”
Question. Is dancing an alpha or beta trait?
I feel it could be both. If you’re a real good dancer it’s easier to randomly go up to a woman without a word and hit it off with your moves. In this case dancing is another arrow in your quiver to get some poon.
Of course if dancing ain’t quite your thing, dancing against your will based on the room vibe is pretty beta.
I personally am a pretty bad dancer. Any ideas how to neutralize this disadvantage, especially in dancing venues? I think a lot of men have this same issue.
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leif: “I personally am a pretty bad dancer. Any ideas how to neutralize this disadvantage, especially in dancing venues?”
re read roissy’s 12th commandment. if you are not a great dancer, you shouldn’t be in a dance club. you should be at a book store, pottery class, on the beach surfing, anything but a place where you are expected to dance.
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blert is right. I used to hate going out with a guy and him wanting to stay at a party until late at night and socialize. It always made me think he wasn’t that into me.
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There is a balance between working the room with an air of indifference and saying “this place fucking sucks, i’m out.”
No question.
An alpha would leave the Clarendon Ballroom in just under 15 minutes, while he would take numbers and business cards with a sly grin on his face for hours at a place like Proof in Chinatown.
my 2 cents.
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Roissy,
What if the chick puts up resistance to leaving when you announce you are going?
Thanks.
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business execs are very alpha…. being alpha helps as nearly much in business as with women. The one major difference is that business partners / coworkers usually have mild psychoses or are sane. Alpha ends up being a status marker.
With women, alpha traits have the status appeal, PLUS appeal to the cult of masochism. Single women are almost all plagued with mild to severe pyschological problems with a majority being on medication (or self-medication) /therapy. Bi-polar, borderline, masochism and narcissism.. among single american 20 somethings… they ALL have those four traits to some degree. Self-destructive behavior is the rule in post-imperial american civilization, as it was during Rome’s decline. Being a single mother, hyperpromiscuous and/or obese (about 75% of adult women nowadays).. is the pinnacle of modern female culture… slow motion suicide.
Women don’t just eat up the alpha status, the LOVE the suffering and drama you deliver upon their self-hating, empty, bored and depraved souls. So game works much less effectively on women who don’t care to slit their wrists (the ones you want to marry).
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This is one area where women are fairly honest.
They like spontaniety and surprises. They want guys to take the lead.
Even Cosmo would confirm this!
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Bi-polar, borderline, masochism and narcissism.. among single american 20 somethings… they ALL have those four traits to some degree.
This isn’t new, nor is it localized to your stated group. These traits are shared by pretty much all of humanity and have been throughout time. The only difference is that we’ve “identified,” categorized, and pathologized them. It’s like claiming that 8 year old boys are hyperactive.
[Editor: Of the four traits you listed above, women share masochism and narcissism to a much greater degree than do men.]
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this was written by a mini-me roissy. numerous stylistic giveaways.
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@lurker
And yet you’re missing the zeitgeist completely with your self-satisfied meta-historical analysis.
Twenty-something American females ARE losing it completely, and the police blotter proves it. Sorry, but I don’t think 1950-era females thought smashing each other faces in constituted a good time….
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/218905.pdf
Read it and weep. Girl delinquency is now HIGHER than boy delinquency.
As DUXBURY states above, as the culture falls apart, women are just LOST. Lacking a man’s reasoning and logic abilities, they go pure hindbrain – and that means estrogenic fury, anger, and crime.
Sorry, honey, you’re on your own now. And it’s a cold, cold world out there.
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Rarely do I dissent with the wisdom regularly dispensed at Chateau Roissy but in this case I would say differently:
Fornication (and much else that is good in life) are natural and inevitable consequences of adhering to these directives – which were learned at the Master’s knee right here in the Chateau.
[Editor: The prime directive is the directive that underlies all others, and coordinates the body and mind in its pursuits. In that regard, I am correct in stating that fornication is the foundational force that motivates every manly deed and desire.
Or: it’s selfish genes all the way down.]
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True. Losers do wait it out until they’re given permission to leave. Real guys, have no problem leaving a venue. They don’t ask for permissioin. They’re simply in control of where they wan to be. Good case Roissy.
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CPL Hicks: “As DUXBURY states above, as the culture falls apart, women are just LOST. Lacking a man’s reasoning and logic abilities, they go pure hindbrain – and that means estrogenic fury, anger, and crime.”
Agree with you. Anybody who expects them to behave, “What a loser!” Anyone who gets tired of the shit and makes ’em behave, maybe slaps them around too, is “Exciting” and “a lot of fun,” not “boring.”
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Git ‘r done! as Larry the Cable guy says.
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http://www.secretsocietyofwomen.com/secrets/sex/forum/topic/are-we-whores/
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Interesting, I explained to someone recently that one way to act normal (i.e., not being a boner sporting puppy) around very pretty girls is to think and act as though you are missing an appointment, that your time is limited and that you are impatient to get going. So, I guess I was on to something.
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“Your story bores me. Please leave.”
“NOW IS THE PART OF SPROCKETS WHEN WE DANCE!!!”
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You’ve already used #50, R.
Maxim #50: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
In fact, you’ve used 49 – 55.
Of course, I’m quite positive you use a random number when you compose a new maxim…and yes, yes, we get it: the alpha that plays by his own rules and could give two shits about norms and conventions.
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This also works when you leave to go home and a girl will say “Where are you going?”….make up something interesting. “meeting someone” works.
Or if you’ve left a party early and a girl you’re gaming says “You left early last night”
My response is sometimes: “Duty calls…”
Or: “Met up with friends…” leave it there.
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Roissy, you’ve got to put this bitch in place, the one who wrote this article
http://www.nypress.com/article-12509-a-white-woman-explains-why-she-prefers-black-men.html
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FEMALE TRANSLATIONS FOR THE MENTALLY-CHALLENGED:
“I want an adorable, smart, funny, nice guy.”
(I want a beta-wallet who won’t bug me too much for sex)
“I’ve got the most perfect guy any girl could ever want.”
(Are good divorce lawyers in the yellow pages?
“If you don’t do your share of the housework, I’m outta here!”
(I wonder if my ex’s band is back in town…I could stay there…I know, I’ll cook dinner for him, clean up his place…)
“You’re such an incredible jerk!”
(I really want to have sex with you, NOW)
I could go on and on, but what’s the point?
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Ross, that fat cow has been dealt with.
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I disagree.
The prime directive of an alpha male is some sort of great project; to reach beyond what other men or he himself has done in some new way. This single-minded and self-absorbed focus will have the natural byproducts of impatience, aloofness, being laconic….and being captivating to and fucking the most attractive women.
But to preach that the prime directive is fucking women makes being aloof and impatient around them an act (when you are keeping secret that you very much feel the opposite). You lack the foundation for being aloof and impatient, and are merely mimicking the actions of the true alpha male to gain pussy.
You guys are all into becoming approximations of the alpha male, but understand nothing of his essential drive.
Women to the alpha male will come and go, just as money comes and goes, food, shelter, etc. The alpha male has values higher than the values of the common man and is attached to nothing. His values he makes for himself. When you truly and deeply care only for yourself and your own great project, then others will rarely impress themselves upon you. You will simply not give a fuck.
It takes hard fucking work to become an alpha and stay alpha. Top quality pussy is just a byproduct of greatness.
Greatness is the prime directive.
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Thanks Rivelino. I suppose we all need to play to our strengths.
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Additionally, the whole idea of the alpha male is that he is in control and has overcome such human drives as the need to procreate.
He needs no one and nothing.
None of what he does is an act to get laid.
All of what he does is to advance his great project, of which no one else can be a part.
To be alpha is to have overcome the “selfish gene” and all the rest of that human-all–too-human baggage.
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and that means estrogenic fury, anger, and crime.
Or it just means police have stopped white-knighting and are now willing to arrest girls as much as they do boys. On page 15 of your linked report,
although girls are currently arrested more for simple assaults than previously, the actual incidence of their being seriously violent has not changed much over the last two decades. This suggests that increases in arrests may be attributable more to changes in enforcement policies than to changes in girls’ behavior. Juvenile female involvement in violence has not increased relative to juvenile male violence. There is no burgeoning national crisis of increasing serious violence among adolescent girls.
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Money.
Better yet, go to another bar with your friends without telling the girl(s) that is(are) into you. 10 minutes max you’ll be getting a text asking where you went. When she shows up at the new bar, game over. Take her home whenever you decide you’re done socializing.
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I’m thinking the Prime Directive in an Alpha male is best put by Steve McQueen;
“I live for myself and I answer to nobody”.
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Good thread.
The way to tie it together is this:
The MISSION comes first.
Stick to it, be a man, be an Alpha.
The girls will be all over you.
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You contradict yourself all the time, Roissy.
Go live in that mud hut already with all the other myopic, evolutionarily challenged primates if fornication is your “prime directive”.
Negroes in Africa are getting more poon and having more spawn than any other race. Looks like they’re the alpha dawgs of the world. NOT!
Now go and waste several hours entertaining some brainless twat with your “game”.
I, on the other hand, am going to play some tennis, then I’m going to work out, then I’m going to make some money, then I’m going to fuck one of my whores patrician-style.
Unlike you wretched lot I have no need for constant validation from a bipedal incubator.
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what would greatbooksformen do?
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The Emperor never arrives “late” for anything. Others wait a short while or a long while.
It is very hard to be the single, unchallenged ruler of an actual Empire but projecting a sense of never being the one doing the waiting is just a matter of perfecting a few simple moves.
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“I need to return some videotapes.”
Mystery trumps everything.
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As Scarface (scriptwriters via Al Pacino, I know): “All I have in the world is my word and my balls, I don’t break ’em for nobody!”
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In reply to the question about dancing:
Dancing is a skill that can be learned just like any other. Don’t learn that skill at a club/bar. There are classes (often filled with younger attractive women) for learning that stuff.
As far as skills go, dancing is a great one to put some time into because it directly translates to interacting with women.
Dancing CAN be alpha if you are in control of yourself and those around you. Especially when you ask a girl to dance by moving her onto the dance floor, and then proceed to dance better than her.
Caving to dancing with a girl when you have no skill would be very beta.
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@Jesse
Suppose my great project is to master women to the point they are puppets….
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” His impatience is borne of a cultivated sense of self-regard, as well as an anger directed at contrived social situations which thwart his zeal to fornicate RIGHT NOW.”
Another solid post, but I’d choose a word other than “anger”. Annoyed, bemused, or whatever, but to display outright anger at a bit of noise or a crowded setting can be demonstrative of lower value. A haughty whiff of disgust and a quick ejection to the other venue may be what you’re after.
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From The School of Hard Knocks Dept: just my tuppence worth on dancing. Goof out. Make her giggle then get her into stitches and you’lll be in like Flynn. Trying to be a neo-John Travolta and overdoing it on all the latest smooth moves and you’ll blow it.
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I agree with those who say that your life mission, not women, should be your focus.
Evil Alpha, your case is the exception.
Let us never forget the 3rd Commandment of Poon-
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
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…once you got the chick laughing she’s yours for the plucking.
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Editor said:
The prime directive of the male is to fornicate; our genes give us little choice. Many males fail to accomplish this most basic of missions. By overcoming and controlling his animal instincts and thus becoming master of himself and his surroundings, the alpha male succeeds.
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@ itsme
GBFM would LZZZZZOOLLLLLZLE
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@ Ross: well-spotted son, check her out in the middle of that trio of party-poopers. She’s unpullable, a no-gamer except for the insane. And I agree, she’s crossed her Rubicon. Once they go black we don’t need them back, no insult intended to the boyz.
Shall we lay charges for incitement to racial genocide?
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“His impatience is borne of a cultivated sense of self-regard…….”
A solid sense of self regard is so important to attraction. Here:
He walks into my place to pick me up and I see him holding in this left hand a bag swinging it as he walks closer to me. I love how he is so relaxed and confident. As he gets closer, I was shocked!!! The bag!!!…… “hahahhahhah!!! do you know the bag is covered with flower patterns?” lol!!! ” You actually walked on the street all the way to my place with this bag in your hand?!!!! lol!!!! Without hesitation and embarrassment he replied with certainty, ” Sure, what’s the problem?” cocks his head, smiles, holding up the bag (filled with things I needed). “You’re such a beta!!! lol!!! ahhahha!!” I love you!!! He laughs and again holds up the bag. I hug him and kiss him. I’m thinking to myself it’s not that he brought me things I needed ( of course is wonderful), it’s that he had no qualms carrying such a feminine item down the street. He is so sure of himself even when I thought that carrying such a bag is beta!ha! His self regard is up there and i love him for that. He knows who he is and is proud of it, thus I am proud of him. Even if you are a beta, be proud of it and yes learn to incorporate some alpha moves, but love the beta in you, cause I know someone will.
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An excellent side idea. May incorporate.
P.S. my master: are Russian really always this horny, wet, hot, and willing?
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edit: Russian women, not merely Russian.
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“The prime directive of the male is to fornicate; our genes give us little choice. Many males fail to accomplish this most basic of missions. By overcoming and controlling his animal instincts and thus becoming master of himself and his surroundings, the alpha male succeeds.”
A lot of these guys are really missing the point, or they don’t understand that evolutionary biology is only part of the puzzle. It’s true that spreading ones seed (alongside from self-preservation) is certainly the number one priority for all men and as it is the very basic of instincts — to reproduce.
However, the world has evolved into something a lot more complicated than the survival of the human race. It isn’t enough to set procreation as the ultimate goal anymore.
In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is the leader of the pack. He dominates the females, betas, and omegas with immeasurable confidence. This isn’t too far from the “alpha-ness” that we are all striving for ourselves.
I’m going to have to agree with Jesse, “Top quality pussy is just a byproduct of greatness.”
Your culmination of learned skill, experience, and personal drive to be “great” or “dominate” ultimately determines your success in the world (and in turn, women). This isn’t to say one type of success is the only measurable factor (just as we know not all “rich” men are great with women), but it is one of many factors or traits (i.e. confidence, status, accomplishments, wealth, physique, charisma, intelligence, etc.) that determine ones “greatness.”
Leaders (top-alphas) aren’t born, they’re made. Until then, I’ll take as much “byproduct” as I can get.
Gmac
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“could serve as an excellent springboard to display leadership traits.”
Now that’s probably the most retarded thing I’ve read on the internet. Although I guess if somebody isn’t very successful in real life, then they need all the help they can get to displace that illusion.
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Gmac, Jesse, southern man,
While I agree with you that it is better for a man to excel in life, and thus get women, I’d point out that learning just to get laid, even with grubby tricks, is s reasonable shortcut for most of us.
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I just finished reading this thesis, you gotta check it out and the bibliography is so valuable
The Impact of Past Dating Relationship Solidarity on Commitment, Satisfaction,
Investment and Maintenance in Current Relationships
http://wvuscholar.wvu.edu:8881//exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/6630.pdf
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dont ever be THIS guy
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well, on the money, but easy to overdo… This one, “this club sucks” is a go-to trick of both insecure bitches and insecure “alphas” (see below, they pretty much pull it here – “gaming chicks is stupid, let’s do projects”). So needs to be calibrated rather carefully. But generally yes, it is dominant position.
Ghey “real alpha” worship in the comments is off the hook though. One last time, just out of the good will, maybe you’ll get your spergy asses laid, “patrician style”:
alpha is not good or bad. Alpha-ness in evo-psych sense is same as T&A for women. You see a nice pair of tits in real life and you feel a fucking urge to grab them. It’s not a thought in the brain. And that’s what chicks feel when you game them, when you look and behave like a fucking man, etc etc. Like there’s femininity, there’s also masculinity. Get it? It has nothing to do with your “projects”. As far as what to actually do, well, read archives.
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Be like Veruca… I WANT IT NOW!!
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Carter, it’s clear that you don’t have teens and are therefore blissfully unaware of the extreme betatude of modern pop music. Exhibit Number One: Bruno Mars. This one makes The Proclaimers “500 miles” look downright alpha by comparison.
http://www.iviewtube.com/flvplayer.swf
My teen son (a much more natural alpha than I) quite rightfully scoffs at this. My teen daughter swoons. What does one do?
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“I personally am a pretty bad dancer. Any ideas how to neutralize this disadvantage, especially in dancing venues? I think a lot of men have this same issue.”
I used to be a painfully bad dancer. Then one year I dated a super hottie who was a great dancer and who was head over heels for me. We danced a lot that year, and her enthusiasm for me plus barrels of rum overcame my embarrassment. Over time, I eventually could dance OK.
If the chick wasn’t a super hottie who was way into me, I’d never have enjoyed dancing. With her it was always a blast.
So I disagree that sucking at dancing is a permanent condition and that bad dancers should avoid the floor. If you find your muse you will improve.
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Guys who are offended that sex is a primary motivator to “real” alphas, and who insist that they should focus on meaningful projects and mastering themselves and their world want to re-define what is alpha as what they admire.
How can this tendency be changed? Guys, get it through your bony skull plates. Being admirable is only tangentially related to being alpha. Being alpha is about sex.
Sex.
Get it through your skull plates.
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Xsplat,
Being Alpha is about doing whatever the fuck you want to do.
Sex is just one thing I want to do.
Get that through your eggshell thin skull plate.
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Futrero ergo sum!
For those who don’t habla the latin: “I fornicate, therefore I am.”
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Fisto, you can’t just make up what alpha means, to suit whatever the fuck it is you want to do.
Being alpha means women judge that you are fuckable and compete to fuck you.
If what you really want to do that you do doesn’t inspire that, then you are not alpha.
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In other words, Fisto, being alpha is not about you. It is not about your projects. It is not about how you live your life. It is not about mastery or self actualization.
It is about how much girls want you.
It is NOT about admirable qualities or anything that you personally have attachment and admiration for. It isn’t about you. It is about women.
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If your life is dependent upon the approval of women, you are not alpha. You are Mangina.
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Viagra, according to the working definition of this blog, the term alpha means that the man is held up as the leader of the hypergamous female troupe. The alpha is the silverback that the girls compete over to fuck.
If you want to create a definition that suits you better, like some Alice in Wonderland caterpillar on a mushroom, go right ahead.
An alpha of one according to his own rules and definition. Great – good for you. Be a professional matchstick carver, thrilled at spoons, loving every minute of mastery of world of warcraft. Call it alpha. More power to you.
Girls will disagree, but who cares, right?
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Women ARE society. Social hierarchy is essentially female defined.
A man at the top of men, but not women, is not alpha. Men don’t define society. Society IS women.
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The debate over what constitutes alpha has been carried on ad naseum in the comments section for years, and it is tiring and boring.
Haters/trolls want to get out their frustration and decide to try and start shit, rinse, repeat next post. You guys aren’t going to change anyone’s mind here because Roissy’s definition of alpha is the best and the more perceptive among us realize that.
No one said you have to accept it; you are free to define alpha however you want in whatever manner assuages your offended egos and sensibilities. Just don’t come crying when you get your 6-7 figure upper management job/spot in the boardroom and still can’t get pussy without paying for it even though you are a “leader of men”.
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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Any measure by which Justin fucking Bieber is considered the top alpha of all is automatically broken & worthless.
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Squared – it’s broken and worthless ONLY because you don’t like it.
People are always trying to redefine reality into ways that are more palatable. That doesn’t alter anything.
Changing the definition of alpha does not alter what girls find attractive. And that is the focus of this blog, in case you didn’t notice. It isn’t about how to be an excellent match stick carver excelling at what you want to do and living under your own rules.
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I know what this blog is about. I agree with the vast majority of it. But I heavily disagree with roissy’s reductionist definition of the alpha/beta dichotomy.
If you accept that worshipping at the altar of Justin Bieber is consistent with your belief system, then enjoy yourself. Our differences on this matter are irreconcilable.
[Editor: Worship?]
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This technique can be incredibly effective, and is also a great test of whether or not the girl is into you.
One night at a bar, I ran into a girl I had been gaming in quite an aloof manner for a couple of weeks. At first, she saw me talking to another girl, and once that girl left she b-lined straight to me and said, “You shouldn’t be talking to ugly blonde girls like her!”
I pretty much knew i was in after that, but about an hour later I started dancing with her and had to make sure she wanted to leave with me that night. As we were dancing, I said “I’m bored of this, if the next song that comes on sucks, I’m going home.”
It didnt matter what the next song was, I took my hands off of her and bolted for the door. I never looked back until I got to the door, and what do you know, there she is, ready to go home with me. This is something I need to use more often for sure.
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@Fisto
I’m thinking the Prime Directive in an Alpha male is best put by Steve McQueen;
“I live for myself and I answer to nobody”.”
Thanx.
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Do unto others before they can do unto you.
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I’m not sure who linked to http://eddiemarkets.tumblr.com/post/3057209124/ted-talk-on-why-are-we-happy-at-least-watch , but it is a very interesting study on the psychological phenomenon of sour grapes. Humans become not only satisfied with what they choicelessly have, but automatially PREFER it.
This can lead to cognitive errors – not only as described in the above Ted talk. In the talk the error pointed out is that it is foolish to want choice – we are happier synthesing happiness out of sour grapes. Another error is that the way we synthesize happiness can lead to erroneous rationalizations that fuck up or happiness compass – we can’t even see that alternate choices would improve our lives.
Like guys that say that hookers are better – because they have sour grapes over the choicelessness of not being able to enjoy the alternate option of being loved.
Or people here defining alpha as independent of what women find attractive. Because they are unfamiliar with the contrast of being a sexual top dog, and so synthesize their happiness in a way that puts sexuality completely out of the context of what alpha is. Alpha is whatever makes them happiest. Sour grapes.
Truth is better than happiness, because it over-rides the cognitive errors and over-rides sour grapes thinking. We get a better compass for what leads to a higher quality life. And every single human on the planet earth realizes in the pit of his stomach that nothing has ever made him feel happier than sharing strong sexual love.
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His impatience is borne of a cultivated sense of self-regard, as well as an anger directed at contrived social situations which thwart his zeal to fornicate RIGHT NOW.
Yet another dumb-dumb statement from the dumbest of all.
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Off topic, but highly relevant:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/96-jeep-cherokee-need-opinions-1149721/
I admit, I enjoyed the response to this girl’s query quite a lot. The word is getting out gentlemen. Let those whiny entitlement bitch weep for they will start to reap what they have sown. I only hope we get to live to see the reckoning.
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Xsplat,
You are a fool. You argue that a man is alpha if women are attracted to him?
I guess there’s no accounting for poor taste.
Alpha means being alpha in more than one category. It’s a state of mind that influences everything in your life. Women are a byproduct of the Alpha male’s persona an physical being put into action. So is success in writing, MMA, and beer pong. Game is always about demonstrating value, and when you do that in any venue (except WofW) you show you are the Alpha to men and to women.
According to you a bum who attracts women is Alpha. That is a loser who attracts women. An Alpha exudes success and power. He is not some pimple on the ass of a shitty club getting skanks’ numbers like you seem to think.
Women are little playthings that the Alpha amuses himself with. He does not define himself by other’s opinions of him (male or female) like you openly admit to doing.
You say “alpha means” such and such according to this blog, from what I’ve read that is not the case. And even if it were, I don’t give a damn.
You are not alpha because you don’t really know what that means.
In fact, you are the typical beta who has just learned how to talk to women and that’s why you think that matters so much.
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Fisto, you say that being alpha is being successful at what you want. Regardless of if that success is the kind of success that will attract women.
World of warcraft is just one example of the kind of success that does not attract women.
If YOU define what is successful, and this is at odds with what women find attractive, then it is what it is.
In order to use language, we have to define our terms. You can have alpha mean whatever the fuck you want – I don’t care. But the subject and theme of this blog is how to attract women. That’s what we talk about here. Maybe you don’t think that attracting women is X, or Y, or B, or Alpha, or whatever term you care to create. On this blog we need a term to mean sexually attractive to the hypergamous impulses of women, and that is the term that we’ve agreed on.
Whatever you want alpha to mean, who cares? What matters here, what is talked about here, the issue here, is how to be sexually attractive to women.
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Diabolos, that was hilarious. Thanks for the link.
On the other hand, all the links and visitors from the suddenly world-famous post are flooding their website and threatening to crash it. The thread has went from 50 to 16000 to 50000 views and is growing!!! So please don’t contribute further by visiting the link – I will repost:
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“So, my boyfriend bought a ’96 Cherokee (XJ) SE, for way too much, like around $3,000. It broke down and he has put another $2,500 in it and totally rebuilt the engine and did a lot of after market work on it. He has and will do all the labor himself, he refuses to pay for labor. Now, he finds out that the motor needs to be taken back out and fixed again and is looking at another $700. I said he should just sell it and wipe his hands clean, he says he won’t make enough.
Firstly, what is your guys’ opinion on what he should do? Secondly, how much do you think he could make parting it versus just the whole car as is?
Thanks for your guys’ opinions!”
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REPLY:
“You want my opinion? Ok…
Shut the hell up. You’re not his wife. You’re not paying for the repairs. It’s absolutely none of your business what he does with his Jeep or his money. I know your type well… first it’s “Sell the Jeep because it’s costing too much money.” Then it’s “No, you can’t go spend the weekend with your buddies because I need you to take me shopping.” Then it’s “Oh gee, honey… I’m pregnant. Gosh, I have no idea how that happened.”
You’re a DreamKiller. You kill a guy’s dreams, take away his future, tie him down with a fat mortgage and too many babies, and turn him into just another miserable guy wondering, “How the hell did I get here?”
Do you really want to help him? Here’s what you do… go to your local library (it’s a big building with books inside) and check out a couple of books on rebuilding engines. Read them, over and over, until YOU understand what needs to be done. Then help him get that engine out and rebuild it. Tie your hair back in a ponytail, put on some old jeans and get your hands dirty. Hand him wrenches, hold the light, pull the wire connectors apart, help him get the hood off… help him with anything he needs. When he gets tired, run inside and make him a hot lunch or dinner. Fix him coffee, hot chocolate, whatever he wants. (But NO beer. Beer is for when the job is done.)
Then when the day is over and you’re both exhausted from working on the engine, push him into a hot shower and jump in with him. Scrub his back, wash his hair, rinse him off, and dry him with fluffy towels still hot from the dryer. Then push him into bed and screw his ears off. Then get up the next day and do it all over again.
Make him realize that rebuilding an engine is a slow and methodical process. Make him realize that every step should be regarded as surgery; every step must be perfect… perfect torque, perfect fit, perfectly clean. If you run into a step that you just can’t figure out, ask for help from someone who knows what he’s doing. Are you cute? Put on a low-cut top, show some cleavage and go (by yourself) to the local Jeep shop, and explain to the guys that you are helping your boyfriend to rebuild his engine and neither of you can figure out this one little step, and do they have any advice…
Think it won’t work? Think again. We guys love to help cute girls, even if they have a boyfriend. (Hey, maybe you’ve got a sister, or girlfriend…)
But absolutely DO NOT whine or complain. Do not say a single negative thing. Not a single “Oooooo, I broke a nail.” If you break a nail, or cut your finger, or bang a knuckle, you just shut up and DEAL WITH IT. You should be a hopelessly optomistic, never-say-die cheerleader, encouraging him every step of the way.
That’s my opinion.”
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Xsplat is only repeating what the Chateau defines as alpha.
The host should rely less on guys like Xsplat correcting those who haven’t read the blog.
But, then again, the host has confused people with his rare essays on how the sexual revolution was a bad thing and that he’s only taking advantage of the wreck of civilization that it supposedly caused (this despite the fact that the leaders in building western civilization were often rewarded, discretely, with extra marital sex that journalists and even historians never reported).
Plus there is the MGTOW element, which I respect, but consists largely of men who have given up on women.
@Q.S.
The “dumbest” statement was actually a very wise statement even for guys who aren’t promiscuous.
Substitute “fornicate” with “kissing passionately on the beach” and you will still get the basic idea that an alpha is not going to hang around like an idiot letting a woman dance with her girlfriends at a club all night instead of paying close attention to him. He will get her number or get her to concentrate on him, which is best done by switching venues with her.
Whether that “close attention” to him is defined by kissing on the beach all night or having intercourse, is not the biggest issue here (although, if the man wanted intercourse and all he got was kissing and another guy could have gotten the intercourse with the same woman, then the other guy would be more alpha than he was, with that woman).
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Alpha male = Nietzsche’s “superman”?
The way I see it, an Alpha male could be either a “superman”, a proper Christian, or an Stoic.
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Fisto
Dude, this is (or at least originally was, and still largely is) a blog about attracting women. Therefore, the only qualities that are important, in the context of this blog, are those that … wait for it … attract women.
The terminology is completely unimportant; you could replace “alpha” with, say, “pink flamingo” and none of the essential elements of the dialogue would change.
What you’re doing is introducing irrelevant elements into the mix. That’s a clever tactic that some rhetoricians use to distract their opponents into random tangents, but you aren’t even being clever; you’re just being, well, irrelevant.
If this were a board about card games, in which “jack” is understood to mean the card between 10 and queen, you’d be the guy saying “well, a jack is something *I* use to raise my car off the ground, and damn you if you don’t agree.”
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This blog is not about becoming an Alpha.
This blog is about learning how to mimic the Alpha’s actions in order to score chicks. This blog is a manual of field studies gained from watching the Alpha as he relates to women, condensed into a set of maxims and rules.
But women are only a piece of the Alpha’s life, less important even than food and security.
You guys just want to get laid, and that’s fine. But don’t start confusing your desire to get laid with BEING an Alpha.
You cannot reduce Napoleon to a guy just trying to impress girls.
The Alpha is not everyman. And the drives and desires and rules of everyman do not apply to him–he has to varying degrees overcome them. It takes a lot of fucking work and it is very hard and very risky. And women want to fuck him and men (you) want to be him for this very reason.
All men are not born the same. Some will master themselves and their deepest and most powerful drives, while other men will only be subject to them.
This blog rails against the bullshit degeneracy of the West and the stupidity of its notion of equality, and in is correct in doing so. But isn’t it a form of the same degenerate thinking to posit an idea of the Alpha male that is available to all men? That all men are capable of becoming an Alpha by reading a blog?
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RANDOM THOUGHTS GENERATED BY THIS THREAD
Betas can’t handle marriage.
Alphas can.
Marriage confers security to a woman that often turns her into a fiend.
Alphas know how to keep hand. Even in marriage.
If you can’t outsmart a woman, then you absolutely deserve the hell that you’re going to get. Because she WILL made you pay for your beta-tude.
Women are a smaller piece of the puzzle of a man’s life.
It’s more important to be strong, be yourself, and make your mark on the world.
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@Jesse
Very good thoughts in your latest post.
But don’t underestimate men’s power to learn.
Yeah, there’s only a few true Alphas, and most guys will never measure up.
But don’t underestimate men’s power to learn.
Blogs and social media just turned Egypt into a pretzel.
Blogs and leaked files/e-mails have embarrassed governments and given us all a better idea of the massive corruption therein(think GLOBAL WARMING HOAX)
No, most guys will never be Genghis Khan.
But they can learn a lot here, and keep the simple minds of women a bit more off-balance, and even provoke a smile on all those scowling faces.
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Don’t confuse the concepts represented by whatever terms (which are important) with the terms themselves (which are not important at all).
Hint:
Reformulate whatever you’re saying in a way that avoids any specialized terminology/jargon (such as “alpha”).
Does your message still have value?
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Jessy=Fisto=Squared, are you saying that behaving exactly like an alpha and being treated exactly like an alpha is functionally different than BEING and alpha?
And I am not being devils advocate or pretending to not understand you when I say that I have no fucking clue what you are talking about in terms of mastering your deepest and most powerful drives, and this somehow being related to being Alpha, whatever that means to you. And I speak as a guy who has lived in a Buddhist monastery under vows and as a meditating forest hermit under celibacy vows. Why you imply that asexuality or “mastering” your desires is in any way a positive trait, in the context of attracting women, is beyond me.
Or, wait – for you we aren’t talking about women at all. We are talking about BEING something.
Dude – why the fuck are you here?
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@Xsplat
You misunderstood when I wrote that you were just stating common sense and repeating what the blog host means.
@Jesse
Not quite. Once I saw a club bouncer doing a 10 on a Florida beach at dawn. It was one of the most amazing sites I’ve ever seen; but I wasn’t thinking “I wish I could be this guy” so much as calculating how I could repeat his success without lowering my class status by becoming a bouncer myself or whatever. I wanted that 10 for myself but I didn’t then know how to go about it.
He was probably an Alpha for a few years and now probably isn’t. Yes, any man can become alpha and any alpha can quickly lose it (such as by getting into one LTR, as opposed to an MLTR, or marriage). The Chateau talks about this often enough.
After reading this blog, I can imagine that I would have approached the couple on the beach during or afterward and arranged to let them use my apartment on the beach next time…which would have allowed me to get to know her and her friends, etc. I could have taken back my offer at any time if it were not in my interest to stick to it.
That fits under the “Just Say Something” advice.
At the time I just froze and watched like I was seeing a total eclipse of the Sun. It is definitely beta to just observe life all the time.
That’s just a fun excuse he uses for doing what the Chateau would be doing if he (they) were born at any time in the past 6000 years (or 2 million years), which is seducing younger, hotter tighter women.
It’s a clever political move I disagree with and the discussion the Chateau makes of Christian Feminist White Knighters makes it very clear where he really stands vis a vis modern social conservative thinking.
He’s a good diplomat.
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I assumed that “bullshit degeneracy of the west” was a slam at premarital sex.
If it was a slam at feminism and the way socialism transfers wealth from men to women, enabling bitch attitudes, it would have been better to say “feminism/socialism”.
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It’s fascinating the lenghts a woman will go when they look up to you in some way.
Mine just canceled a trip with her new best female friend, who incidentally hates me. She mentioned she was going. My reply: “Hmmmm”.
Next day, asks whether it’s ok to go. I don’t reply. Next day, trip is off.
THis is the “dread” that has been discussed here. The difference between a chick going with an “Agent Provocunteur” who will encourage her to bang other guys, or sticking around for the unknown with me.
One thing I always do is when we’re having dessert or eating something, I’ll hold up the fruit as though I’m going to feed it to her, then just as she’s about to bite, I pull it away.
It’s a kind of foreplay that gets her excited. No talking, no fancy game techniques…just teasing with food. Any guy who doesn’t get this will never understand game.
This routine has all the elements of game: push-pull, dread, take-away…it’s classic conditioning. When she finally gets that caramel or strawberry or whatever it is on the end of that fork…it’s like she’s worked for it.
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Yep.
Push-pull, dread, take-away/deprive, DHV, keep her guessing, laconic, aloof, mission, no pedestals, golden ratio, strategic use of silence, irrationally confident, impatient, your frame (play to strengths)….on and on and on…
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Femmy cunt gets mad when professional hottie tells women to worship men:
http://collegecandy.com/2011/01/12/what-century-are-we-in-again/
And I hate Giada, too, since I think she’s justa phoney bitch who can’t cook. But damn, femmies hate being told the truth.
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Jerry
Huh? I never responded to that.
Back to this idea of separate concepts for doing your own thing and being master of your own universe being a “real” alpha, versus mimicking alpha behaviors to score chicks, which is only a small part of what a real alpha is interested in, again, this is a red herring.
This blog is not merely about mimicking alpha behaviors. It is about cultivating charisma – a trait which a guy doing his own thing and being a master of his own universe may completely lack. It is also about style. Dress style, verbal style, emotional style. It is about social skills. It is about all facets of life that pertain to attracting women.
Now you can say that is a small part of what a “real” alpha is interested in. Fine. Whatever. Who cares. This blog is about attracting women. Do whatever the fuck you want with the rest of your life. But don’t imagine that doing your own thing and excelling and becoming some alpha in your own mind is enough to be attractive to women. Seducing women is a skill set that must be directly practiced. Charisma and charm are not mere by products of an “alpha” lifestyle. Whatever that means to you.
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Are you all new here? Why all this circle-jerk of “alpha males do this” and “alpha males behave like that”?
Roissy has stated specifically that for his blog, an “alpha male” is the one that gets the largest number of high-quality pussy. (paraphrased somewhat).
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@Xsplat
You’re making it look like I disagree with you.
You disagreed with others. I stated that you were right.
Then I noted that the Chateau should be defending his ideas more and not having you do the heavy lifting so much.
But then you are in the opposite time zone which means he can count on you to do this when he’s asleep. 😉
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Jerry, I don’t disagree with you. My comment above was only initially directed at you – just enough to say that I never addressed your comment. The rest was addressed to others.
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Getting along with people ALWAYS takes practice.
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So the newly defined Alpha man appears on the surface–and to women–exactly as the old. But without any of the former’s substance.
A Napoleon without an army.
It is the democratization of the Alpha male. Now every man can be one and partake in the pleasures once reserved only for the elite few.
Of course, there will come a day when she asks to see your army before she will fuck you.
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@Jesse
“Of course, there will come a day when she asks to see your army before she will fuck you.”
Of course, the PUA will have moved on to newer, hotter girls a long time before this ever happens…
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@xsplat
“Now you can say that is a small part of what a ‘real’ alpha is interested in. Fine. Whatever. Who cares. This blog is about attracting women. Do whatever the fuck you want with the rest of your life. But don’t imagine that doing your own thing and excelling and becoming some alpha in your own mind is enough to be attractive to women. Seducing women is a skill set that must be directly practiced.”
This is so important that it needs to be on the masthead of this blog.
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“Seducing women is a skill set that must be directly practiced. Charisma and charm are not mere by products of an “alpha” lifestyle. Whatever that means to you.”
@xplat
Where did anyone say these other traits were a “byproduct” of something else?
You’ve got it backwards (and I’m pretty sure we’re all agreeing with each other to an extent so I don’t see why this is continuing). What was said was that the learned skills, experiences, and characteristic traits that you come to possess ultimately produce RESULTS.
Examples of learned skills through experience: seduction, personal interaction, joke/story telling, sexual prowess, etc. You aren’t born to fuck like a rock star, that’s the point we’ve all been making, including you.
Hence, when it comes to learning game… one of the byproducts of HARD WORK is access to access to higher quality pussy more often — not becoming more charismatic or charming (those are pieces of the puzzle that lead to better game). Semantics anyone?
Gmac
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@Jesse
You are wrong. Every man, by virtue of his Y chromosome, has the potential to rise above his culturally-ingrained beta-tude.
“All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better.”
– Ralph Waldo Emerson
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And here’s a personal favorite:
“Fear defeats more people than any other one thing in the world.”
– Ralph Waldo Emerson
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This brings up an important point, Roissy.
I think there is some element of deviance in being an alpha male. It comes from fearlessness and wanting to do your own thing. I have done some pretty weird things in my life. Probably my best memories have been when I have done something completely different and new, something for which I had no male role model to guide me through. I’m thinking of when I went travelling alone and camped on the side of the road and isolated beaches.
There has got to be some fear and danger in your life or you arent really living.
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@Jesse
Every alpha has a mentor and product of their education. Tradition and social rituals are there for a reason, like Sun Tzu said… a gentleman’s education consist of academics and going through the rituals.
Good example with Napoleon, but his career started due to academics. Why do you think military leaders and politicians place so much importance on private or Ivy League education?
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xsplat –
Once again, the problem lies with the symbolic meaning of the alpha/beta dichotomy. Within animal hierarchies, from where these terms originate, it’s well understood that the alpha male not only has control over reproductive access, but also over who gets to eat (and when), who gets killed or exiled from the clan for violating his rank in the pecking order, and so on. In other words, the alpha male holds the power not only over reproduction, but also the power over life and death.
Now I can understand how bedding a bunch of desperate third-worlders/de facto prostitutes might have tricked your poor delusional mind into believing you actually possess some kind of real power over anything. In reality though, you’re little more than an aging carnival clown. A good ass kicking would do you a world of good in terms of putting things back in their proper perspective.
You need a term to define those who are most attractive to women, there are plenty of alternatives. Master PUA is obvious. Level 9 Pimp/Seducer/Lothario, they all do a fine job of getting the real message across. Alpha male? Nope.
Also, I’m amused that you would suggest that because a number of people disagree with your point of view, they must be all the same person. Your omegatude is showing.
I’m going to stop here. Wouldn’t want to overstep my boundaries, lest I incur a savage, life-threatening beating at the hands of the resident A-A-A-A-ALPHA MALEEEEEEE!!!!
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The essence of Alpha-ness today:
“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger manner to laugh at that man.”
–Jack Handy
Which one do the chicks dig and think “well, he’s an asshole, but I can fix that”?
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Since it’s RWE day, here’s the finale:
“He who is not everyday conquering some fear has not learned the secret of life. ”
– Ralph Waldo Emerson
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“Tucker Max rhymes with Goldman Sachs”
-GBFM
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Off topic:
Does anybody here know anything about gaming Arab girls? Any peculiarities to keep in mind with girls from a psychotic, puritanical culture?
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I have two main issues with the PUA blogger definition of “alpha”-
1. The bastardization of the true definition of alpha serves as an ego stroking mechanism for men who have little power in life outside of being able to seduce women.
2. Misuse of the term leads men to forgo other worthwhile life pursuits in favor of worshiping at the altar of cheap sex.
Yea, yea, I get it. We were put on this earth to procreate, thus our primary objective in life, both directly and indirectly, should be to “get laid”.
The problem with adopting such a shortsighted point of view is that it neglects to address the fact that although the destination is certainly a “prize”, the journey in and of itself is worthwhile and fulfilling. And besides being worthwhile and fulfilling, it can also provide you with lifetime security.
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do you say this to a urinal, “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over?”
do you guys neg urinals so as to get them to accept your pee?
-GBFM
The guy was kinda wacky, and had a serious case of logorrhea. Still kinda miss him.
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If anyone “needs” to wade through the gbfm troll spew to “get anything” from this site, take your brain elsewhere.
Don’t know about YOU, but I’ve better things to do than lolz at lame trolling.
When I want funny, I read the author – or write my own.
Fuck all trolls.
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We sure GBFM isn’t the shooter in AZ?
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Good Luck Chuck: “I have two main issues with the PUA blogger definition of “alpha”- 1. The bastardization of the true definition of alpha serves as an ego stroking mechanism for men who have little power in life outside of being able to seduce women, 2. Misuse of the term leads men to forgo other worthwhile life pursuits in favor of worshiping at the altar of cheap sex.”
Sure, it’s Douchebag loser assholes pumping-and-dumping any woman they can and “liberated” women chasing that because they entitled to not be “bored” (with every other women feeling they have to go along with it and maybe “change” the dude or have no one). It’s fun, but leaves a trail of divorce, broken marriages, hurt feelings, un-raised kids, stolen wealth and lots of lonely men and women with no one to go home-to. It would be more constructive to give mountain gorrilas a Barbie playset.
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Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. So sayeth Corey Worthington:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/umm-sorry/
You may despise the very essence of this punk. You may call him the reason for the downfall of civilization, but one thing you won’t call him is Beta. Corey is Alpha, in fact Alpha comes so naturally to him it’s effortless to the point he’s not even aware he’s being so. Corey Worthington is the Buddah of Alpha; it’s Zen, he lets Alpha happen. He has no plan for life, he brooks no responsibility, he has no castle or designs on empire, and doesn’t care for anything you might consider respectability.
Women line up and clamber over each other to get to his Alpha seed.
Alpha is not defined by what Men think should carry the weight of respectability. Alpha is the same for the drug dealing gang leader, the successful executive, and the church deacon. Superman or saint, criminal or commendable, Alpha is as Alpha does. Biomechanics is the only God Alpha recognizes.
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Time to ease off on the swordfights and focus on sharing wisdom.
To wit:
Do not take your cue from any woman.
Do not listen to advice from a woman.
Do not think obsessively about a woman.
Do not let a woman drive you anywhere.
Do not listen to what women say.
Do not trust the judgment of a woman.
Do not trust money with a woman.
Do not allow a woman to raise your son. (future criminal)
Do not allow a woman to raise your daughter. (future prostitute)
Do not trust a female doctor or healthcare “professional.”
Do not trust a female lawyer.
Do not trust a female engineer.
Do not trust a female journalist.
Do not trust a woman to keep a secret.
Do not trust a woman to keep ANYTHING private.
Just for starters…..
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“When I want funny, I read the author – or write my own.”
OK dickweed, make us laugh. I haven’t ever read anything funny out of your angry ass.
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I would be the ultimate hypocrite if I were to criticize Game and try to shame men into acting for the good of society.
What I am trying to get at is that there is a lot more to life than just getting laid. Following your masculine instincts to aspire to great wealth and status will allow you to have your cake and eat it too.
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@Jesse
“A Napoleon without an army.”
More like Napoleon before he had an army… trying to get laid? How does an 18 year old male get pussy, Jesse? And 18 year old doesn’t own a sports team. He doesn’t run a multinational company? He isn’t even living on his own. Is he supposed to fuck his hand for 30 years until he is emperor of the globe? Do tell. I’m all ears.
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Good Luck Chuck
Well … duh.
The point that you guys (you and the others constantly beating the Napoleon drum) are missing is that NO ONE IS EVEN ARGUING AGAINST THIS. This is … well … rather obvious. The only “counterargument” that you and yours have to deal with is a bunch of autistic engineering grads arguing about the meaning of terminology. Fuck terminology.
But the point is that, yeah, not everyone wants to wait until they’re a business magnate to get their dick wet — AND, even if you *are* a business magnate, said dick-wetting is going to be about as exciting as watching grass grow if you don’t have the sort of personal dynamism that is the foundation of the advice suggested on this blog.
Not to mention that getting laid because you are (_____fill in term that means “able to get laid with minimal resource investment” here______) is one hell of a lot more satisfying than getting laid as a byproduct of objective status.
[Editor: Thanks for spelling it out. I swear the tards on this blog — men and women — can’t get enough of banging their pointy heads against a wall arguing over terminology while completely missing the bigger picture.]
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I wouldn’t have minded GBFM’s if he practiced some efficiency. But all his post were over a million sentences with only 3 being worth anything.
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You don’t have to be Napoleon, or control an army, or be the CEO of a large company, or have been knighted by the Queen.
Just have a real fucking reason for being impatient, laconic and aloof around bitches other than those are tricks Roissy taught you to fake it like an Alpha to get laid.
Why masquerade as an Alpha?
Why not grow a sack and try to become one?
[Editor: Tell it to skittles man.]
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To wit:
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2011/02/rachelle_santiago_therapist_ac.php
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Unrelated anecdote I heard on the radio on the way home from work: Survey reveals that 72% of women would rather watch the Superbowl than have sex. Conversely, only 50% of men would rather watch the Superbowl than have sex. When asked to comment, a female caller explained: “well, I would rather watch the Superbowl than have sex…unless I was with a George Clooney type”.
The reign of the hypergamous gina tingle marches on, with nary a challenger in sight.
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Also unrelated, but according to a new survey, American men in their 20s and 30s are more interested in marriage than women.
“Now, overall, men and women are equally predisposed to marriage. But when you look at singles in their 20s and early 30s, and then in middle age and beyond, guys express more interest in tying the knot. Perhaps most surprising of all: Between the ages of 21 and 34, men are more likely than women to want kids (51 percent versus 46 percent). Adding to this picture of shifting gender roles is the fact that 77 percent of women, compared to 58 percent of men, say independence in their relationship is “very important.””
Roissy is right again
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But you see “getting laid” IS a real fucking reason to be impatient, laconic and aloof around bitches.
And if you think game is “faking” it then you are doing it wrong. Is a girl rocking a push up bra and heels “masquerading” too? No. Game is technique.
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But when you look at singles in their 20s and early 30s, and then in middle age and beyond, guys express more interest in tying the knot”
So that’s why “groom” magazine is the top selling men’s mag in that demographic… even ahead of maxim!
Since this info was in Salon and USA today you can be sure the findings are propaganda and not science.
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On terminology:
Saying that skill at seducing women makes you alpha is kind of like saying being rich makes you intelligent.
[Editor: Actually, yes, skill at seducing women makes you an alpha. Get over it.]
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@Corporal Hicks
A woman have two sorta friends. Girlfriend and boyfriend, if you’re not her boyfriend……..
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Anyone who thinks that men’s missions are not at least in some part to get laid is foolish. Alpha’s are who gets the attention from girls. Most decisions men make to conquer anything in the world is derrived from either narcism or the desire to land babes. Just by getting the most pussy does your mastery over other men prevail, no matter what else you do.
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Squared, you’ll have to give some concrete examples if you want to be understood. Are you talking about business success? Martial art success?
Humans don’t gain status by brute force anymore, and haven’t for as long as we’ve had socially enforceable rules of conduct. Being able to kick ass is a skill people can do completely without, and never miss it.
I like Rollos example of alpha behavior – an attitutude that is independent of social status or job or martial arts skill. You seem to be saying that there is some thing called alpha that is not just about such behavior, but is about … about what, exactly? Political power?
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Thanks for deleting half of my post. For all the flak feminist shitholes like jezebel get for censoring dissenting views, this place, to my great disappointment, doesn’t appear to be much different. Thanks for introducing me to game, but you’ve just lost one of your more frequent readers. Adios.
[Editor: My heart will go on, concern troll. In the meantime, nothing you’re saying is new or insightul. Hundreds of antagonistic commenters before you have tread the same ground and been shown the light. I don’t have the patience to revisit the same dumbass theme over and over, so go to the archives and read the posts about “defining the alpha male”. You’ll find the answer you don’t really seek there.]
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This is a clever little quip, with one little problem; namely, it’s completely wrong.
In fact, the whole idea of a sex-free “friend zone” is just, well, idiotic. If you have any non-negligible sex appeal / game / social acumen of your own, then the “friend zone” is one step away from the fuck zone.
Basically, the deal is this: If a girl is hanging out with you, then at least one of the following is happening: one, she’s getting something from you (whether tangible, like money, or intangible, like validation), or two, there’s some sort of latent sexual attraction.
Notice I said “latent”. It’s not as though a girl is consciously looking to pounce on all of her male friends, but, to some degree, the potential is there. If you’re in the “friend zone” for any reason other than showing her with material gifts and orbiter-type attention — i.e., if she actually likes you — then that potential can be actualized, if you press the right buttons. There is no “friend zone”; there’s a pathetic orbiter zone, and there’s a “could fuck her if you know how” zone. That’s what there is.
What’s the worst thing about the notion of the “friend zone” as a bad thing, and the corresponding notion that asshole game is the *only* way to wet your dick?
It fucks over all of these guys who are trying to get laid with internet advice. Completely leaves them high and dry.
Let’s face it, 99,99% of the “internet seduction community” is NEVER, EVER going to be able to pull off asshole game. Sorry, ain’t gonna happen. For these guys, the friend zone is the only accessible platform that’s high enough from which to jump into the stratosphere of sex. It’s pathetic, ironic, and hilarious that they would try everything else under the sun while ignoring this obvious truth.
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Square “The reign of the hypergamous gina tingle marches on, with nary a challenger in sight.”
Do you imagine that women ever felt differently?
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I am starting to get a whiff of something. Yes, I’m smelling prude.
There are men who believe that sex is not as meaningful as other endeavors. That it is cheap. That pursuing it is cheap.
There are men who believe they would be better men if they could master their lust.
There is no arguing against such an emotional position. They didn’t reason themselves into it, and can’t be reasoned out of it. I tried to show that the attitude is sour grapes, and that sex can be ultimately meaningful – more meaningful than anything else. But whatever, you can show a horse a lake, and the horse will insist it’s not thirsty.
So why are a new group of prudes suddenly hanging out on a pick up blog? To convert men to their cause?
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as hot single women age….
1) the wear and tear of random facials, anal, homemade porn, abortions, dead end relationships, STD’s, … nukes their sanity and dignity.
2) age ruins their looks and self esteem.
3) the ones capable of monogamy and sane enough to maintain a relationship use their looks to quickly find loyal suitors.
the leftovers are a rogues gallery full of insane, cold, depressed, masochistic older slutty women who will cheat on you and require staggering amounts of game to keep in line.
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[Editor: My heart will go on, concern troll. In the meantime, nothing you’re saying is new or insightul. Hundreds of antagonistic commenters before you have tread the same ground and been shown the light. I don’t have the patience to revisit the same dumbass theme over and over, so go to the archives and read the posts about “defining the alpha male”. You’ll find the answer you don’t really seek there.]
Believe me, I’ve read it. That’s exactly the post I disagree with.
[Editor: Then you disagree with reality.]
Disagreements over tangential issues aren’t such a big deal. Your intellectual dishonesty and general mediocrity, however, are a real shocker.
[Funny how you claim to regularly read someone of general mediocrity.]
Fortunately, I too will move on.
[Don’t let the tampon hit you in the vulva on the way out.]
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CR,
I’m going to try an appeal to you on this matter.
If an Alpha does not “suffer fools” and I can assume that means all manner of Dbag. Doesn’t that mean he can verbally fuck someone up as well as physically whip their ass?
[Editor: There’s more than one way to exude alphatude in any given scenario.]
If he is a man that can act on the 16 Commandments of Poon isn’t that a successful strategy for all areas of life?
[Yes.]
Isn’t the man who is confident and believes in himself unquestioningly also a man of action and productivity?
[Not necessarily. Confidence and poolside time are not mutually exclusive.]
The Alpha inner game is a philosophy that must be applied to all of life or none of life, is this not so?
[It is not so. See: any successful captain of industry who goes home to get harangued by his fat and psychopathic wife.]
You put in X amount of energy into this blog.
[A few hours per week. Fewer hours than the average American watches TV. And I hardly watch any TV. Not to mention some of the work has been off-loaded to other Chateau contributors.]
If the Alpha male is only to pursue fucking women isn’t it by default of your definition, beta to write these blogs by expending X energy on them?
[Even a mighty fucker like myself has a refractory period.]
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Game works.
Today, secretary says,”Are you gonna steal these papers off my desk?”
Me,”Just the ones I want.”
I could SMELL her approval.
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“Any peculiarities to keep in mind with girls from a psychotic, puritanical culture?”
Why would you bother? Islam forbids women to date or marry a non-Muslim, and you risk getting beaten (or worse) if her family finds out about you. You risk getting her murdered in an honor killing, even in the US or Canada. Then there’s the little bit about her holy book deeming you a cursed, wicked, and vile animal destined for eternal torture in hell. Really, not worth the time.
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Running guys like Jesse and Squared off here is foolish ..imo theyre clearly intelligent and leadership material.
[Editor: Running out of here? What are they, little girls with their skirts over their heads when someone calls them out on their bullshit? I wasn’t aware they were being hustled off at gunpoint. You did notice troll squared showed him/herself the door, right?
And who are you? Their designated bunghole licker?]
whats the goal..an echo chamber ? ..the points they made were not way out..not really confrontational
[Reread my replies. The putatively confrontational nature of their points is not the problem. It’s the fact that their points are lame and unoriginal and have been hashed out here on this blog in posts and in hundreds of comments over the years. My patience with this shit is at an all time low. Read the original posts and say something insightful, or stop clogging up the comments with trollish effluvium.]
alpha no alpha and Im certainly not alpha by the definition used in this blog..and have not needed to be
in fact the focus of the blog ..to be easily supremely attractive to women? sounds likes in some cases the women are running the show..because all the focus is in reaction to her natural tendencies..because you are ALWAYS looking for a result ..not free ..tethered to getting a result.
[Both men and women have to appeal to the desires of the opposite sex to get what they want from them. No one is exempt from that reality.]
big difference between reaction and response.
[I’d rather be fucking quality pussy than gloomily jerking off at home self-satisfied that I didn’t “react” to women.]
so thinking about what they were saying I’d say they had good thoughts and rather than negate them ..why not find ways to use good concepts to your advantage.
[Show me a good concept and I’ll use it.]
and if they dont ring true or make sense ..ignore them.
[This is a free-fire comments section. Particularly obtuse commenters can’t be ignored when they clutter up entire threads running around in circles arguing over the same damn trivial details over and over like rainman on acid. As a courtesy to the other readers, and to the hosts of this esteemed castle on the hill, we here occasionaly like to fuck with the quasi-trolls as a warning to shape up.
This includes those religious/traditional/family values old-school conservatives who come here and are aghast that someone could be so brazen as to point out the obvious fact that an alpha male doesn’t have to be a captain of industry or an upstanding citizen. He could just as well be a charming loafer hanging out on a corner drinking a 40 with three hot babes on his arms.]
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Lover of women –
So why are you here?
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Because I enjoy the intelligence insight and like to understand how social scene has changed..
share some thoughts ..ideas experiences..
I love women ..and women are the basic subject of the blog..
I trade alot and use the blog to stay in trades longer ..lol
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@alegría rioplatense
Please go hang out on feministing or something. Your advice on how to get laid comes straight from the crap they spew.
Just be your self
Just treat women like friends
BlaBlaBla
And then pussy will flow (cuz women are all as horny as men)
Well it’s not true. The best way to get laid is to be predatory and to be the right amount of asshole. Figuring out how to convert a friendship into a sexual relationship is as inefficient as it gets.
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*puts new tool in tool belt*
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Yes, LOW, the conversation here is interesting. But as this is a blog with a theme, I wouldn’t come here for existential insights. Zen Buddhism might be what you are looking for.
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But if you have a Tantric Buddhism bent, then the how to’s on this blog will fit into your existential philosophy with no contradiction.
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Yeah, only if (a) you’re actually an asshole, and (b) you’re the right kind of asshole. People trying to “learn asshole game” are almost invariably going to be the wrong kind of asshole for a good long time, almost forever. You know, the almost painful kind of asshole who, once he makes his not-so-magnificent exit from the scene, prompts men and women alike to say, “what a spaz.”
Do you seriously not know men who’ve slept with large numbers of the women in their social circle, and who got there through opportunistic friendship?
Really?
The irony here is that the kind of “good girls” who are so (ostensibly) coveted by many at this blog, are also precisely the girls who are most accessible through what might be termed “opportunistic friendship game”. Which does include a certain dose of asshole at times, but certainly isn’t what one would call predatory.
You aren’t going to score “good girls” with 100% pure asshole game — you just aren’t. Unless your default state is so effete that your idea of 100% pure asshole game is, in reality, just having a sack.
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The Alpha inner game is a philosophy that must be applied to all of life or none of life, is this not so?
[It is not so. See: any successful captain of industry who goes home to get harangued by his fat and psychopathic wife.]
But this is my point, he is NOT Alpha because he does not have the Alpha inner game. He wouldn’t be harangued if he was. He is simply good at his job and shitty in other areas of life. I thought the Alpha would be a badass in all areas.
[Editor: It is possible to be a conventional alpha at work and a true blue beta with women. It’s not all that rare among maledom. That is why my core definition of the alpha male is so elegant: the man who attracts large numbers of hot women interested in getting commitment from him is an alpha male.
Now you said that alpha inner game *must* be applied to all areas of life, or it is invalidated. But I have shown that is not true. Alpha inner game with women does not necessarily have to translate to conventional alpha inner game at work, and vice versa. The man who is objectively powerful at work is not any less so because he’s objectively awful with his wife (or with single women on the prowl).
Now of course, all else equal, the man with societally recognized power is typically also alpha with women, simply because power and status itself is an attractor of women.]
Anyway, I’m not going to split anymore hairs. Keep up the good work.
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Fisto, if a man has motivation and interest to be successful in work, and succeeds, you agree this is not sufficient to call him alpha. Because he didn’t have the motivation and skill to be dominant in his home.
Your position is that a man who has motivation and skill to be dominant at home but lacks it in other areas of life is not alpha. Whatever, dude. What difference does it make, for the purposes of this blog? This is a blog about something. It is a tool chest to be used for a specific purpose. We are talking about something here – not about how to be an all around superior man – we are talking about how to get women.
You can have any idea of the superior man that you want. It’s irrelevant.
There is a useful concept that perhaps you don’t have a word for. Maybe you don’t want to have a word for it. The concept is a set of teachable qualities and behaviors that is attractive to women’s hypergamous impulses. That is the concept that this blog focuses on.
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Um, off topic:
http://www.cougarevents.com/
For unemployed young men, an alternate source of fundage.
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… Other Chateau contributors
This blog changed my life. and I don’t see any decline in quality under the new regime… Writing is consistently excellent.
Still, what were the reasons for changing the operation of the blog? Just wondering as a longtime reader. How did the new contributors get involved? How can we tell them apart?
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It is tedious to revisit such basic concepts of game, but I am for some reason in a generous mood.
So, here is my free advice: Words and actions that tend to organize and inspire other men to help you build your empire will, for the most part, seem pointless and incomprehensible to the average fertile woman.
That which pulls female sexual control levers most forcefully just seems silly and pointless to most men.
In other words, the more differently you treat women from the way you would treat women the better you will get on with both.
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And what happened to a lot of the commenters? No posts from Alias Clio, Sebastian Flyte, the G Manifesto, PA, Sibling of Daedalus, Whiskey and Lurker.
Hell, even Great Books for men, Nicole, Sara, David Alexander, Peter and all the great trolls are gone. It’s a shame
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duxbury: “as hot single women age….
1) the wear and tear of random facials, anal, homemade porn, abortions, dead end relationships, STD’s, … nukes their sanity and dignity.
2) age ruins their looks and self esteem.
3) the ones capable of monogamy and sane enough to maintain a relationship use their looks to quickly find loyal suitors.
the leftovers are a rogues gallery full of insane, cold, depressed, masochistic older slutty women who will cheat on you and require staggering amounts of game to keep in line.”
Ay-hay-men, Brother!
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Not to forget the delightful Pupu
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Cleveland Steamers have a ceratin mileage over their own…
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….the more differently you treat men from the way you treat women…
the better you will get on with both.
Dam Calvados
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Here is the problem the trolls have:
The definition of Alpha male being promoted here
[Editor: Accurately describing reality is not promotion.]
allows for a substance-less wastrel; who has done little with his life in any way; who may in fact be someone’s beta bitch at his job; but who seduces the hottest women with a series of behaviors and mannerisms he has learned are attractive to them; to be called an Alpha male.
[No one said life was fair.]
Naturally, the guy can’t stay around too long because she will soon realize there is no substance behind all the laconic posturing, impatience, aloofness, etc.
[You’d be surprised how long those “wastrel” relationships can last. Hint: It’s usually the cocky wastrel who dumps the girl.]
Of course, he doesn’t care anyway because he’s on to the next hottie to seduce. They may even be lined up for him.
[ALways keep two in the kitty. Married men should keep four!]
So if you can mack the hottest chicks in great numbers but are an abject failure of a man–a total beta–in all other areas of your life, under “alpha” as it is defined here, you are an alpha.
[Not under alpha as it is defined here, but as it is defined by our darwinian directive. And the answer is, yes.
But this is strictly theoretical pud pulling. Most alphas males who have the attention of scores of hotties also have a handle on the other areas of their lives.
ps: An abject failure of a man is not a beta. He is an omega.]
(This is perhaps the flipside to your example of the esteemed captain of industry who goes home every night to a beat down from his fat wife.)
[Would you rather be the sexless VP of a frumpy hausfrau or the oversexed ne’er-do-well with a harem of cuties?]
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Jesse
Here is the thing: The skills needed for leading men are taught in a different school than the one that teaches how to speak directly to a womans HIND BRAIN SEXUAL ACTIVATION MODULE. This is unavoidable since women never consciously know they possess such a feature (and so its useless to explain its truths with words to them).
It is almost natural in our type of society for a guy to be good a the first any to be clueless at the second.
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10,000 of evolution didn’t teach women to pick a loser
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Roissy, you’ve got to put this bitch in place, the one who wrote this article
http://www.nypress.com/article-12509-a-white-woman-explains-why-she-prefers-black-men.html
If you google for the author (Susan Crain Bakos), you’ll understand just WHY she prefers black men. (i.e. because she is butt ugly.)
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10,000 years
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In fact, I think Roissy has already put this bitch in her place.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/black-men-white-women/
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Jesse
Well said. A lot of PUAs in my friend circle are also all style and no substance.
Unfortunately the women are to be blamed for this. Their need for drama, feeling several emotions at once etc – this causes them to have gina tingles only with a guy who gives off all the right signals – but the women are too shallow to explore the truth further. They just go along with their feelings of that moment and “it just happens”.
I know men who are fakes, have zero substance in their workplaces, are beta bast**ds in all aspects, but extremely silky tongued and know exactly how to converse with women and show off the right vibes. They know the art of social domination and blowing through shit-tests, never mind that they have never actually created anything of value.
Many good men on the other hand, solid people who are on top of their work, they being a bit nerdy about their work etc – they pass off as boring to the very same women.
Result: The fakester PUAs attract women like flies, but the real men have a hard time holding on to their own wives because the said wives are so bored and need constant drama to keep their hamster minds busy.
Was it Roissy here who said that honey may satiate the flies, but it’s shit which draws them by the droves.
Like the men here teach, it’s time the good men and real men also learnt aspects of game to keep the silly women towing their line.
[Editor: Just a note: Game is not “fake” inasmuch as it is a natural emergent biological property of male status pursuit. Learning game is no different than learning information at business school to get a high status job. Both pursuits are undertaken with one (subconscious) goal in mind — pussy. That one route happens to be more efficient than the other does not make it any less authentic.]
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10,000 (years) of evolution didn’t teach women to pick a loser
True, women were already imbrued with the ability to pick losers from the start.
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@Jesse
You aren’t paying attention, are you?
@RedEmperor
Damn, I miss Roissy abusing David Alexander the most.
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Jesse and whackjob, if you are saying that what we call alpha behaviors here, and which I have defined as the behaviors and traits that are attractive to womens hypergamous impulses, in order to sidestep quibling over a definition of a term, is not admirable, and is not necessarily the mark of a superior man, then I agree. In fact, I’ve been making that point for years.
If you want to have a discussion about what makes for a superior and admirable man, that’s an entirely different ball of wax than what this blog is about. This blog is about something. I’m not sure why you can’t seem to get this point. I think you can get it, but that this very point bothers you. You don’t like the whole endeavor. You find it distasteful.
Ok, fine. It’s distasteful. It’s shameful. I won’t agree that men who practice the seductive arts and have no other life skills are empty and faking it and have nothing to offer, but even if I granted that for arguments sake, I have one question for you?
So what?
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Anton
@Jesse
You aren’t paying attention, are you?
Jesse’ll be alright. He’s just coming to terms dealing with the shock of been unplugged from the femtrix.
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Alegria,
“Unless your default state is so effete that your idea of 100% pure asshole game is, in reality, just having a sack.”
Pretty good description of Manginanation.
95% of the benefit of this blog to me has been undoing the creeping beta-zation I’d accumulated over the years from our femdominated culture.
The most immediate effects were apparent with women, but the positive impact on my career has been the most surprising thing.
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The PUA definition of alpha does not acknowledge that there is any accomplishment or achievement in life that is greater than having sex with multiple women.
One can argue that the underlying motivation behind everything we do is to secure access to sex (which I do not deny), HOWEVER, having the ability to travel, eat at nice restaurants, live in a nice place, and drive fast cars- all of these things provide men with pleasure and satisfaction in and of themselves.
You are exactly right. The opposite of the henpecked CEO is the Lothario waiter.
I know a guy who fits this description to a “T”. He’s a 40 something hair stylist who can’t hold a job because he impregnates half of his 20 something coworkers.
Last time I saw this guy he was living with several of his fellow band members (yea, he’s also in a band) and riding a $30 bicycle around town. Quite a life.
I’d say this dude has another 5 years of playing being able to hang out with his crappy band and seduce reasonably attractive women. Then what? I’m sure he will remain popular with aging single moms. He will probably even manage to snag the odd 20 something when he’s 50.
Would you want to be this guy?
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I miss Sibling of Daedalus the most.
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@Roissy: Agree with you that learning game is an important aspect of life. I am grateful for all you have taught me with your blog posts. The point I am trying to convey is that it’s better to be a man of substance AND learn good game THAN just be a player ALONE. My thoughts are more or less aligned with Good Luck Chuck’s approach of spending one’s time in meaningful creation and let the ladies come to you as a byproduct of your success.
Why I say this is because I have seen a very good friend waste himself away like this. He was a major player in his teens and twenties, bedded the most beautiful of babes by the dozen. By the time the mid-thirties hit him, he had become fat, bald and sleazy looking – filled with empty aggression and suspicious smooth talk. Though he still attracts the girls, he doesn’t succeed too often and that frustrates him a lot. He’s married with kids and his wife detests him no end – but she’s a gold-digger and that’s another story. She refuses intimacy with him. He has an on-off alcohol problem as well. His career is going nowhere (stuck in the same soul sucking role for 7 years) though he earns well. He could have chanelled his energies into work of his choice, into creating a good and diverse personality – but he remains a wasted cad. Unhappiness lines his brow permanently. All he does now is have furtive affairs behind his wife’s back with other married women while paying the mortgage and car loans while maintaining a happy family image for the outside world.
@xsplat: Yup, “so what ?” would be the realistic question to ask with no good answer from me except as a cautionary tale above to all prospective cads. BTW, I read your comments with an active interest. Your approach to life and women intrigues me. Will pick your brain sometime.
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Not under alpha as it is defined here, but as it is defined by our darwinian directive. And the answer is, yes.
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my much older brother (in his day) was is 6 ft 3, 29 inch waist, art student, hippie shit in NYC. Needless to say he banged hundreds of ladies. He never had a kid (and perhaps his life is a little emptier because of that).
Was he following a darwinist objective or a hedonist one?
Why can’t you marry a lovely 10 with self-restraint and a 160 IQ and have lots of kids? Our progeny will carry success for centuries and mark the land with landmarks to their greatness, as my forebears have done. Our enterprises will be passed down from father to son. My seed will endure the ages. My death will be one of satisfaction.
Should you emulate Mitt Romney or Roissy? Isn’t Romney more Darwinian than shooting blanks on hundreds of ladies?? Although not as fun, more gratifying.
[Editor: I’ve seen kids in action. They don’t look very gratifying to have to raise full time. Most parents look harried and decidedly lacking in any sense of fun. Anyhow, it is true that I am thwarting my darwinian directive with condoms and (more usually) by dating girls who use birth control pills. But I don’t care. In the end, we are all remitted to the illimitable void of nothingness, and no “legacy” you leave behind wil matter one whit since you won’t have the consciousness to recognize it.]
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Rum:
“So, here is my free advice: Words and actions that tend to organize and inspire other men to help you build your empire will, for the most part, seem pointless and incomprehensible to the average fertile woman.
That which pulls female sexual control levers most forcefully just seems silly and pointless to most men.”
Reading through the comments, this one really stuck out to me for some reason.
I am close to escaping the matrix for good.
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The Chateau’s personalized comments to the most egregious OR the most astute, commenters on the last few threads have been
a). funny as all hell
b). useful examples of asshole game
c). excellent for excoriating and expunging the trolls & rewarding good commenters.
d). all the above.
I’ll take D.
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“Editor: Just a note: Game is not “fake” inasmuch as it is a natural emergent biological property of male status pursuit.”
Bullseye. Game is an adaptive response of a living, highly organized system that is the modern SMP, in response to changes and disorder (Feminism) in its natural equilibrium. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Game is a manifestation of biophysical laws and as such, is beyond judgment. It is what it is, whether it’s ghetto Lothario spreading his seed as a natural alpha, or a spergy enginerd consciously and painstakingly over many years developing his social skills a.k.a game. It’s consistent, clean, biological, orderly, predictable, yet exhilarating, rewarding, and educational. And that’s why it’s fucking beautiful.
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editor – its your blog
your response was that of a weak minded dooosh who’s unsure of himself
you are confrontational for no reason …
“Both men and women have to appeal to the desires of the opposite sex to get what they want from them. No one is exempt from that reality.”
This comment made you a SUPER dooosh ..squirrel looking for a nut mindset …nobody has to do anything ..and if you got past your teenage infatuation with your dick ..you would realise that..
who am I ? ..nobody
enjoy your own intellectual reflection
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LOW, what on earth is your point? I have a few questions for you.
#1) Do you realize that the whole purpose of this blog is to discuss ways to improve sexual attractiveness to women? This is not rhetorical. You seem to not know this.
#2) If the answer to #1 is yes, why the hell are you contesting the very aim itself? Or by disagreeing with
you mean to say that you aim to attract women, but would prefer to do so without appealing to women?
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X –
Im saying that there other ways to get to the same point..
thinking only on the surface of what these guys tried to say ..probably not going to work to understand the fundamental idea ..played out
what they may have meant is dealing with most women at their own level ..the majority of which think feel and operate in an emotional slum .. means you have to visit the slum work in the slum operate in the slum..
that sucks
and is classic prisoners dilemma ..where you are in fact betraying yourself..
however I understand your definition ..and accept it
however I’d say that way of operating produces most often not creative free thinking men but effeminate George Clooney clones trying to get the attention approval of what everyone seems to agree are spolied emotionally poisoned operational idiots.
of course that’s in general..because life is a bell curve.
always enjoy your comments and ideas..
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LOW, did you just dissimulate? My questions were pointed.
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I think it’s obvious even to yourself where your thinking is off the mark. You dislike reality, and so complain that going along with reality is a poor life choice.
But no one is asking you to go along with reality. This blog is about attracting women – if that’s what you want to do, you will have no choice but to do so in a realistic way.
Your notion of being true to yourself as a method of attraction is unrealistic. Or can’t you see that?
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Maybe some of you guys need more motivation as to the whole point of this endeavor. If pussy juice isn’t enough to get you past your dissatisfaction with the seduction process, consider the feeling you will get in your chest all day long from being well loved and well taken care of by a doting young sexy woman or two.
This is not an unrealistic goal for men. And it is a life improvement that is beyond your current wildest dream.
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I don’t even have to ask for food, the food is prepared in restaurant quality, I get laid as often as I like with as much variety as I can schedule in, and I don’t even cut my own toenails. My floor gets scrubbed several times a day, the kitchen is immaculate, and a young cheerful voice thrills my ears with laughter all day long.
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i dont want to be an alpha male i am what i am and nobody can change that i love to be me not to be potraid as something else ill only not be single when i find someone like that they are who they say they are and act like who they are not any of this other stuff
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Then, Kevin, why are you reading a blog about how to improve your success with women?
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And where did this sudden influx of tards come from? All you new guys with the exact same attitudes who claim not to be the same person, what link did you follow to get here?
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no you can create your own environment .. your own reality ..
Ive done it ..on my own terms ..I’m less than what society describes as a 6 ..came from a poor family..can walk into a club ..and be un-noticed .. and have had the experience of MANY of these so called alphas ..and the experience of men who did not marry this way of operating ..but used it as a phase (know magic to shun magic)
I know scores of ALPHAS by this definition ..athletes models actors musicians …in their 40’s and 50’s…some who made it some who didnt…try talking with them ..scoring women was like a DESSERT ..not a sustaining meal …a way of operating
not the POINT of life ..and those that stayed in that mindset were time tested losers ..who could can get laid..ask them how important it is …they will look at you like your an idiot
A man can attract quality women based on his own criteria ..creating his own environment ..I suggest MEN practice that ..learn that ..creating your own environment
in combination with game skills.. and they will go further faster..
I am my own proof
it’s like these guys were shunned by the company for suggesting the car could be better if we add air conditioning power steerring and electric windows
in an open source environment ideas are gold ..in a low IQ village they are feared
Im not going to write here anymore ..just read in background ..
[Editor: The male complusion to excel in nonprocreative endeavors is merely a program designed by your genes to maximize their opportunity for sex with large numbers of high fertile women. Evolution has ensured that the feelings men get from achievment are good, so that men are encouraged to pursue those things which would most likely result in access to more and better pussy. Those men who did not bother to cash in their status boosted chips on the reward of pussy were quickly weeded out of the gene pool.]
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LOW, I’d wager that the level of loving attentions that I am accustomed to and easily acquire for myself within a few months of landing in a new city are beyond your notion of what is possible.
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X
can you respond specifically to the points I made in comment @ 4:15
be interesting . thanks
ps I believe you nothing surprises me
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I did respond to your ideas, except for
Which I did not understand.
My point is simple, and I’ll repeat it.
1) Do you want to be more sexually attractive to women than you currently are? If yes, then you must work on doing so in a way that actually works.
2) Just being yourself and following your desires and aims in your own way is not a way that actually works.
So really, it’s choiceless. Either don’t increase your attractiveness, or do so in ways that may or may not be palatable to you, but are not under your control.
I’ve already made my argument why number one is hedonistically retarded. Everyone agrees that nothing can make a man happier than strong sexual love. Certainly not being true to yourself.
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If a father could only show his son two posts from this blog, I’d recommend the post “Vulnerability Game” and the post “Just Say Something.”
At least two thirds of having good game would be simply not having any fear (of rejection) in opening women (no matter how beta the opening is, just say something) and having no fear in persistently going for the goal of getting the highest quality women (or best looking women) into your bed, even if she seriously flakes along the way (the best looking or highest quality women can get away with this).
Vulnerability Game shows that a man should be able to go back and forth between showing alpha and beta traits all in one conversation with a woman (this blog has also described how a man can go from beta to alpha and back to beta again in long cycles mostly correlated with whether he gets snared into smothering LTRs or not (where he’s been too lazy or scared to have had anything on the side).
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An example of vulnerability game: Going into a 4th date with a marriage material college student who’s frightened of foreigners like me, I’ve had to run vulnerability game in the form of promising not to have sex with her when she comes to my apartment while insisting that I’m a gentleman (beta) while also getting her to agree that she will at least hang out at my apartment in her panties (I said this with a straight face and, no, no hint of cash reward for her doing this). She agreed to the compromise after expressing a lot of fear about coming back to my place. That is, IMHO, an acceptable compromise for the 4th date with someone who is marriage material.
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mind i would not mind being like hugh grant ishe an alpha male he is cool and speeks with english etiquette now that is a good role model
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(r)Evolutionary said: “‘Editor: Just a note: Game is not “fake” inasmuch as it is a natural emergent biological property of male status pursuit.’
Bullseye. … Game is a manifestation of biophysical laws and as such, is beyond judgment.”
As the Bloodhound Gang put it…
“You and me baby ain’t nothin’ but mammals, so lets do it like they do on the Discovery Channel (gettin’ horny now!)
…
So show me yours, I show you mine, tool time, you’ll love it just like Lyle, and then we’ll do it doggiestyle so we can both watch X Files.”
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1) No I dont need to be –but yes in general men need to learn these skills
2) Yes and No
yes – rolling around on a gym mat floor does not make a champion gymnast agreed
No – because following your own way does not preclude that which is most effective but quite possibly can
you did not respond to the main point
1) most women at their own level ..the majority of which think feel and operate in an emotional slum .. means you have to visit the slum work in the slum operate in the slum..
which means ..if in the US ..and you are dealing with women at this level ..even if you are the MASTER..of them ..you are master of a SHIT environment
the king bigshot in prison ..still wants to escape ..even though once free ..he will be no longer king
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Many alpha behaviors are nothing more then giving into the base animalism that compels male behavior.
Get Irrate/Impatient?- act out on it
Girl pisses you off?- Yell at the girl
Guy is annoying/Weak- Make fun of him
Think a chick is hot?- make a pass at her.
Beta’s repress these instincts and as a consequence appear even more Beta.
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I realise these ideas kill the blog ..so I wont post anymore ..I appreciate all …good luck..
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LOW, what you call a slum I call a playground. And as I have repeatedly answered, the results are well worth the efforts and pains.
I don’t have any moral or life satisfaction issues with dealing with slum garbage girls. I don’t mind the low level of women. I’m used to it. I tend to enjoy it. I can deal with women on their own level, and enjoy them. Their various shitty points are made up for by their various great points. They are overall a huge net benefit. An irreplaceable huge positive benefit.
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Yum yum yum my dinner is delicious. Now time to order my girl to be naked. What’s your plan for the next hour, LOW?
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your need to make this competive and the vivid descriptions of how great you are doing …implying that ..you are doing ..so much better than me ..who you dont know at all
indicate a high probability of dissatisfaction with yourself..
just a guess ..good luck enjoy the food women and good life
next hour
I’ll be making 2-3 grand trading AUDUSD ..
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@alegría rioplatense
Yeah, only if (a) you’re actually an asshole, and (b) you’re the right kind of asshole. People trying to “learn asshole game” are almost invariably going to be the wrong kind of asshole for a good long time, almost forever. You know, the almost painful kind of asshole who, once he makes his not-so-magnificent exit from the scene, prompts men and women alike to say, “what a spaz.”
People trying to “learn friendship game” are almost invariably going to be the wrong kind of friend for a good long time, almost forever. You know, the almost painful kind of friend who, once he makes his not-so-magnificent exit from the scene, prompts men and women alike to say, “what a creep.”
Do you seriously not know men who’ve slept with large numbers of the women in their social circle, and who got there through opportunistic friendship? Really?
We call banging through a group of girls who hang out together “social proof”, not friendship. “Friendship” is feminist dating advice… and even if (which I doubt) you define “friendship” in a PUA way, you are still using their words… which if fucking stupid if you wanna communicate here. Terminology matters when the terms are convention.
The irony here is that the kind of “good girls” who are so (ostensibly) coveted by many at this blog, are also precisely the girls who are most accessible through what might be termed “opportunistic friendship game”. Which does include a certain dose of asshole at times, but certainly isn’t what one would call predatory.
Nope. The irony is that a spider web is as “predatory” as a tiger claw, but because you are feminist mangina you don’t’ want to be associated with that bad misogynistic word.
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And LOW, if you have no interest in improving your attractiveness to women and your command over them, I can’t imagine why you’d want to read the blog, let alone participate in the discussions. As I keep saying – that is the entire purpose of this blog. That’s what it is about, and what it is for. If you don’t even want the skills on offer here, it’s worse than a pointless waste of your time – it’s a waste of time for those who do.
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LOW, it is a well researched fact that money above a certain level does not increase either happiness or life satisfaction.
My business will earn my cash while I’m fucking, but I guarantee you this – my rush from fucking will be 100 times greater than your rush from earning money.
I doubt you’ll be screaming in ecstasy loud enough to disturb the neighbors.
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your implying that I dont fuck ? have orgasms
intellectually powerful comeback..? NO!
hmm ..no wait check that emotionally powerful
you asked ..I answered..
again good luck I wish you well
I realise the point of the blog ..I wont post anymore
OK?
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LOW,
Xsplat has a habit of trying to drive people off this blog. Carry on with the posting
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Phew! I see you have stopped arguing, so now I can wish you all a belated ……
Kung Hei fat Choi!!!! It’s the year if the Rabbit!! All the best and (just for this post) practice those alpha skills! heheheh!!
[Editor: No one in this country gives a shit about the Chinese calendar.]
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Interesting study that supports what the Chateau has been saying: more men than women now want to settle down and get married.
The (male) losers in the sexual market place are realising that it is not in their interest to compete in the free market.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353345/Men-want-married-just-women.html
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In the west where women artificially fail to hear their biological alarm clocks (feminism put a jammer in the mechanism), it is probably a waste of time to play “opportunity friendship game”. However, it isn’t a bad idea to put minimal effort into this in other parts of the world because you can be sure that a single female friend will be getting married before she turns 25 and she may turn to you by age 22 or 23 if she’s not getting better offers.
Coincidentally, a manifestation of “opportunistic friendship game” just happened here in the east when I was about to write an essay against it (I was about to say that the friendship at least needed to be on the man’s terms, such as the woman agreeing to sleep over parties and to change clothes often in front of the man like he was one of her friends). 😉
The key is to spend very little time nursing non-sexual friendships where the friends aren’t feeding you with introductions to their friends (or bringing their friends over to strip).
Facebook friend such women and let the relationship go on autopilot while you spend time and effort elsewhere.
But this just happened, proving that the small effort of maintaining friendships can “pay off”:
Two years ago a local 20 year old rejected me after three great dates on the advice of her mother who felt she could parlay a quick bright career into landing a regional millionaire (which trumps “American businessman” these days). The daughter had a genius IQ and had a career path planned out (by the mother). No need for a relationship with a foreigner who might marry her and make her a housewife 10,000 miles away.
I didn’t react too negatively because there were plenty of other young 9s like her around.
I would, thanks to good software, remember to send birthday and holiday greetings by text and, when I ran into her on the street every few months, I would act like one of her best friends inquiring about her new super charged career and her rich stock broker boyfriend from the big city.
As we met briefly on the street by accident, I would smile as I said it was sad that she hadn’t chosen to stay with me but I ‘understood’ that I didn’t fit into her world. I would warn her each time I met her that her boyfriend very likely had other girlfriends, that he was an “alpha” and that I would always be waiting for her in the wings if things didn’t work out (but I also told her that she needed to come back to me while she was still young and not after she got big as a house). She would nod that I spoke reasonable words and she’d kiss me on the lips quickly goodbye after each encounter (much better than presenting her cheek).
Of course I was playing vulnerability game. Each time I met her over 2 years she was getting a little heavier and moving into 8 and, later, 7 territory.
A few months ago I was at a bar with friends and I saw her on what appeared to be a date.
Today I remembered her birthday and texted her on it. I was the only male to do so (you can be sure the stockbroker forgot).
That prompted, a half hour after the “thank you, how nice of you” response, a text from her that said “Are you married now?”.
I answered “You finally want to marry me?”
She: “You didn’t answer the question”
Me: “No” (I’m not married)
She: “It’s just that you have won me over with your attention”
Me: (15 minutes later) “if you’re home, let’s go for coffee”.
She: “I’m abroad now but returning in three days. Let’s meet then”
What’s interesting is that she comes from a culture where 22 is almost over the hill for a woman in terms of getting married.
Because of her weight gain, she may have decided to come home to the “Beta Friend” she thought she had waiting in the wings. This option was cultivated with very little effort.
What will I do? Well, I’ve moved on and have an MLTR now and little time to pursue extra relationships (except for with the new 19 year old I just had a third date with).
She had her chance at 20. Now she’s a 7 at age 22. It may be too late.
While the feminists pretend that a woman’s power doesn’t precipitously fall between 20 and 22, it actually does, especially with any male who attracts 20 year olds.
I believe she’s young enough for me to insist that she go on a serious exercise and diet program (and I will tactfully insist on this).
But I’d be going into our coffee date like an insurance claims adviser looking at salvage value.
The western feminist way of thinking (and the way American social conservatives tell their daughters to reject older men) is so completely foreign to me.
Young women have very little long term power over any male of any age.
I cannot fathom “When Harry Met Sally” or “The Switch” where a man plays “opportunistic friendship game” with a woman for 20 years before finally getting “lucky” and winning her hand.
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Once again, from the top, Alpha is as Alpha does. It is not a demographic, or a list of user defined qualifications.
Again, I must defer to Alpha Buddah:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/umm-sorry/
Corey Worthington is a cocky, self-serving piece of shit by most guy’s standards. Punk ass kid, unemployed, living on the strained good graces of his family even after incurring a $20K party tab. My guess is most of the “Empire IS Alpha” crowd would write him off as reprehensible and they’d be right. What they’d be wrong about is his Alpha cred.
Corey is the epitome of the effortless, zen-like unconscious Alpha energy that very wealthy engineers, industry leaders and financial geniuses will pay small fortunes to learn. Just to ape the behaviors and adopt the swagger of a Corey, thousands of empire-building, respectable men will dedicate time and resources to PUA seminars only to sniff at the meager HB6s they’ve been denied in their beta-ness. These ‘leaders’ of men, couldn’t get with Corey’s leftovers.
Alpha is ephemeral. Your success as a Man may be due to being Alpha, but Alpha is greater than a man’s successes. So great in fact that even criminals have access to it. This is what upsets the Little Emperors; that a Corey Worthington could be considered a high-level Alpha, unearned. It’s not justice to them so the global definition of Alpha must be rewritten to fit into their hard-earned profile. It’s offensive that a jobless punk should be equitable in Alpha to a Little Emperor after all he’s sacrificed in order to get where he is today. The problem is, Alpha refuses to fit into their box.
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“Why can’t you marry a lovely 10 with self-restraint and a 160 IQ and have lots of kids?”
I have never in my life had a man ask what my IQ is.
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Lara,
What’s your IQ?
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You keep the high IQ women as the center of your MLTR.
Have a baby or two or three with one of these women if she doesn’t live in a country where child support is insane.
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@kevin blumer
You want it to be one way.
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It’s spooky how Roissy manages to get so many comments in such a short period of time on a blog post, and after writing a few brief paragraphs to boot.
I like Roissy. I like his evolutionary psychological approach to women, but I dislike his misogyny.
{Editor: You misspelled clear thinking.]
Roissy is a sombre, dark character (but a talented writer with an excellent command of the English language nevertheless, despite his penchant for excessive literary and semi-pornographic vulgarity) and the Roissysphere is the dark, even sinister underbelly of the world of pick up artists. Let me confess: I was once a misogynist, but after having met a few really awesome women, I think I’ve changed my mind. It is true that women can be frustrating at times, and many times female emotional complexity is often incomprehensible, but it is the way of the lesser man to be offended by them. This means that misogyny is a sign of weakness, a mind virus that must be overcome.
[Facing the brutal truths head on is not a mind weakness, it’s a will to reason.]
The guiding animus of one’s existence should never be hatred (although hatred is a beautiful emotion which does have its rightful place), but this shouldn’t exclude a sex realist (and race realist) way of viewing the world, which is why the superior man, understanding her nature, mercifully forgives the woman for her frequent gaffes.
[You write like a limp-wristed new ager. No one’s falling for that shit. You can dress it up in nicety-nice buddharrific language all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you will do what is in your interest just as I will, if you know the score.]
As a result, I fear that Roissy is much too guided by hatred and misogyny to be of any practical use. However, the core principles of game remain substantially correct, unsullied by Roissy’s venom.
[As Roosh noted about haters who claimed he hated women, why would I spend so much time figuring out women and enjoying their company and their love if I hated them? Think this through and you’ll see your trite accusation makes no sense..]
That said, “game” theory (the name is obviously unfortunate), founded on the principles of classical sociobiology via Charles Darwin, works and good PUAs are worthy of emulation. The actual art of game itself is really just common sense to all but the most socially challenged: ask large numbers of women, get turned down by many, but manage to attract the less than 5% who will say yes. In fact, one doesn’t even need game to attract women, because attracting women is just a numbers game, as any dummy knows. But game sure speeds things up a bit.
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Why can’t you marry a lovely 10 with self-restraint and a 160 IQ
there’s no evidence such a creature exists…
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Yes – you DO know my last post was in jest; it has been proven that gaybooksformen was indeed the Tucson Gruesome – Jared Lee Laughner.
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Comments for Mr. Roissy….
Being Alpha and Business Management…
I have a feeling that Alpha strategies are effective in business / public sector management for CEO’s, etc.. This is a nice way to skirt that Alpha is simply a pretense for chasing tail.
1) Seem aloof to inflate importance
2) Laconic
3) Instill dread in employees for motivation.
4) Confuse your feelings (unclear emails where they think you are angry).
5) Over-confidence and delusional visions for your company, etc.
6) Be aware that if you are acting as a Beta to an Alpha, that Alpha will NEVER willingly let you become a competitive Alpha.
7) Fear your fellow Alphas who will be riven with jealousy at your success and seek to undercut you. (Something rarely discussed here is acute Alpha /Omega envy). Never brag about your business to alpha / omegas.
I went to a business meeting at a much larger company a few weeks ago to show them new technology we developed and to my horror they were more scared than interested. Despite that fact that they needed what I offered and I was offering it for license. I tried playing Beta, but the cat was out of the bag. They knew better. Never mentioned tech again.
8) Impatient
9) Intimidate
10) Hire betas, not alphas or omegas. To serve you.
11) Sexual tension with female employees to motivate them (but seem inaccessible). My female employees have subdued crushes on me that i don’t deign to acknowledge. Personal discussion rarely. They are beneath me.
12) Have lots of options… talk about Indians you are outsourcing to your employees to put the fear of god into employees.
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Roissy says:”[The male complusion to excel in nonprocreative endeavors is merely a program designed by your genes to maximize their opportunity for sex with large numbers of high fertile women. Evolution has ensured that the feelings men get from achievment are good, so that men are encouraged to pursue those things which would most likely result in access to more and better pussy. Those men who did not bother to cash in their status boosted chips on the reward of pussy were quickly weeded out of the gene pool.]”
Truth.
Article Here
Link to the study is at the bottom of the article.
Personally, I plan to develop strong game so that I can fulfill my base urges at will(lots of hot sex, maybe a more serious relationship if I find a worthy enough wench) but the primary focus of my life will be on my mission/adventures/hobbies. I enjoy the company of females but their thinking is mostly vapid and banal. For this reason, I personally have no desire to be chading around 24/7 or making women my primary mission(even if they subconsciously are). I think no differently of any who choose to make the mastery of women their mission. Every man has his own path.
It really amazes me how absolutely dumb some women are. The last girl I slept with thought mankind had probes outside of our galaxy and that those computer images of the milky way were real pictures… 97% percent of women really just don’t get the serious math/science/engineering stuff. After reading The Manipulated Man and this blog, I’m starting to really see all the glaring examples of female incompetence and vapidness.
Margaret Hamilton is a good counter-example(lead software engineer of Apollo missions, serious fucking stuff). She handled that shit like a boss. What was different about her from all the other womens? Take a look at her picture:
Margaret Hamilton
Man jaw, man brow, man face. High-levels of pre-natal testosterone shaped her facial features to more resemble that of a man’s. That same testosterone likely formed and strengthened the masculine contours of her brain allowing her to tackle the extreme complexity and abstraction of the project.
Have to hire a women for programming/engineering/left brain job? Choose the one with the strong jaw and masculine digit ratio.
Failing to recognize women as intellectually less during my life has undoubtedly contributed to my shortcomings with handling women. Like Rum said:
“That which pulls female sexual control levers most forcefully just seems silly and pointless to most men”
It is no wonder I have sucked so hard with women in the past. I have seen them as intellectual equals to men for so long. The simple primal pathways to making gina tingles are silly and vapid. Makes perfect sense when you consider that women ARE silly and vapid.
I stumbled upon this blog last November after getting dumped for being a total beta-bitch. I was quite distraught and spent some time looking for dating/alpha advice when one of my searches led me to this blog. Getting dumped by that fucking skank may be the best thing that has ever happened to me.
I appreciate the time you all spend writing comments and sharing your knowledge. I have learned a great deal. Your work does not go unappreciated. Keep at it.
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Holy fuck, can I ramble or what? That post was longer than intended.
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Here’s what it has to do with this blog. I think we can all agree that the superior man is a guy who is successful in all phases of life, and that is why I said that should be the definition of the Alpha male.
He is undoubtedly more attractive to women than just some bum with game.
I still don’t think the margins of what is an “Alpha male” should be so broad but whatever. Peace.
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i KNEW you were hot
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we need this to get rid of the excess male population
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Actually, that anachronistic video shows how Western Men created paradise.
Getting rid of excess barbarian immigrants – then making the remainder actually work – via slavery.
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@Mark
One of the surest indicators of an feminized mindset is the automatic presumption that anything remotely critical a man would say about women, or the feminine, is by default, equated with misogyny. All a man need do is open his mouth, in the most objective way he can muster, about anything critical of the feminine and he’s instantly suspect of sour grapes. He must’ve been burned, or is bitter and on the verge of desperation just for even a passing mention of some critical observation.
What an amazingly potent social convention that is – when a man will censor himself because of it on his own. The most successful social conventions are ones in which the subject willingly sublimates his own interests, discourages questioning it, and predisposes that person to encourage others to participate in it. This is what you’re doing here. AFCs are crabs in a barrel. As soon as one climbs up to the top to escape, 10 more clamber over him to pull him back in.
When men can be convinced to participate in women’s social conventions half their work is done for them.
Cries of ‘misogyny’ from men is simply a Darwinistic version of Cap’n Save A Ho – so at the slightest critical word about a woman it’s, “See how quickly I come to a woman’s defense? What girl wouldn’t want a great protector like me? I’m unique. I’m not like those bitter ‘other guys’ so your best emotional/sexual/parental investment would be coupling with me as evidenced by my example.” Of course that isn’t your conscious, cognitively recognized reaction, but it is the subroutine that’s running in your unconscious.
When this psychological schema is a practiced breeding methodology it becomes second nature; so much so that when ANY opportunity arises to display it (even under the conditions of anonymity), the guy snaps to attention. It’s really an attempt to display higher value, and in and of itself it’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s just that taken to an extreme, the dynamic has more potential to be manipulated – especially when it’s paired with an absolutist mindset.
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Rollo,
Have you ever thought about organizing all of your writing into a single, complete text?
Your comments are excellent. But surfing through comment threads and forums can be tedious. It would be a shame to see your work not reach it’s full potential.
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Rollo has everything in a Word file. Hopefully he gets around to publishing it one of these days.
BTW….what’s up with rM, Rollo?
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I had this exact thought in mind today while thinking about a few men whose wives are into me. These men try so hard to please their wives and get frustrated with me, because their wives are into me more than them it seems at least. Men need to understand that women are really not as important as we often make them out to be.
Most people have the herd mentality and can’t do anything without someone’s permission. I break convention, rules, and my word on purpose sometimes just to demonstrate to the world around me that you can’t be controlled by what others think is right for you. If all you ever do is follow, your life will suck even if you are as rich as Donald Trump.
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@Faggot Mark
“The actual art of game itself is really just common sense to all but the most socially challenged: ask large numbers of women, get turned down by many, but manage to attract the less than 5% who will say yes. In fact, one doesn’t even need game to attract women, because attracting women is just a numbers game, as any dummy knows. But game sure speeds things up a bit.”
LMAO. A good salesman does not simply call more people to meet his numbers. He actually figures out how to get more “No’s” interested in saying “Yes”.
Game is not numbers. It is technique. You don’t understand football because you are gay, but for those who do comprehend sports it is the difference between passes attempted and completion percentage.
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@loverofwomen
“the king bigshot in prison ..still wants to escape ..even though once free ..he will be no longer king”
Bulls*&t
Ask Charlie Manson.
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It’s good to be King.
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Editor:
True, and also note that nobody calls you a misandrist, yet you can be just as harsh on men as well.
1) Men can take criticism about themselves, even if its harsh truths about their nature. Women can’t. Men take the criticism, honestly decide if it has merit, then try to learn from it. That’s what this blog is all about.
This is not criticism of men, but how many times have we heard that men are “expendable”, or have biologically less value than women? That can be a tough thing to take as a man, thinking that you’re “expendable”, but instead of being in denial about nature, men just discuss it and its implications, and whether it’s even true or not.
2) That you get called a misogynist but not a misandrist shows how our society has no problem denigrating and ridiculing men, yet one can’t make a peep about women unless it’s glorifying them. All we have to do is watch commercials on tv to see that in action. So when I hear men say we live in a misogynist society, I laugh. These people are so brainwashed, indoctrinated, or just plain stupid.
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**“the king bigshot in prison ..still wants to escape ..even though once free ..he will be no longer king”
Bulls*&t
Ask Charlie Manson.**
One can still get visitation poon in prison.
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“[Editor: Would you rather be the sexless VP of a frumpy hausfrau or the oversexed ne’er-do-well with a harem of cuties?]”
Neither. I’d rather dominate both men and women. And that is true Alpha.
[Editor: Yes, but if you had to choose.]
I think after some of you guys have had your fill of sex you’ll find, possibly, that something is missing. Roosh over on his site seems to be going through this recently. All the fucking just isn’t doing it. There has to be something more.
From an interpretation of evolution (as argued here) that posits sex as the prime motivator for all male action, this would make no sense. Roosh should be a fulfilled man.
I would argue certain men– who are genetically disposed to something traditionally alpha (not PUA alpha)– need more than sex with many women to feel fulfilled. Achievement in the world of men does matter, and its not achievement solely for the purpose of sex.
This will, of course, seem absurd to the pimpled, ugly, gamers who were awoken recently from their virginal lives with the discovery of Game, and believe in fucking hot women they have discovered the Holy Grail. But you guys weren’t born with Alpha genes.
Let’s leave the Alpha designation to the very few who are BOTH leaders of men and bangers of the hottest women. That’s where the term began and to whom it belongs.
(NB: This by no means invalidates the blog or the many truths herein, so no need to get your knickers in a twist.)
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Jesse, in a society of specialists, which is any human society, there is no top dog. There are various top dogs of various specialties. The President of the United States is, in some circumstances and contexts, a lowly loser. Status is always relative.
Take as example your self estimation for martial arts skills. Yes, in some arenas this makes you the uberman. And yet in others it is not only irrelevant but loses you status points.
There is no one perspective from which to judge the uberman. A skinny zen monk alone in a mountain hermitage is the penultimate enlightened uberman, in some contexts. In others it’s the PUA.
Your dichotomy between the PUA who has grown weary of conquests and no longer feels love versus the master of men is false. The dichotomy is between PUAs who can still feel love, and those who can’t. Mastering men doesn’t enter into it.
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Some people get confused when confronted with reality. They see option A, which is not perfect, and option B, which is also imperfect, and their disappointment with the real life options leads them to freeze and be unable to choose.
Option A – no women problems, but no women benefits.
Option B – women problems, and women benefits.
Get through all the stages of grief, and then come back here when you have chose option B. Don’t bother us with your brain freeze about not liking the choices. Or if you want option A, fuck off and choose it.
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berkeshire
He should have never married and he should have watched his weight. Problem solved.
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None of you know what it’s like to be Alpha and wouldn’t like it much anyway. This especially holds true for Xsplat. I would pity him, but it’s not an emotion I have.
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“Some people get confused when confronted with reality. They see option A, which is not perfect, and option B, which is also imperfect, and their disappointment with the real life options leads them to freeze and be unable to choose.
Option A – no women problems, but no women benefits.
Option B – women problems, and women benefits.
Get through all the stages of grief, and then come back here when you have chose option B. Don’t bother us with your brain freeze about not liking the choices. Or if you want option A, fuck off and choose it.”
Option C is reserved for Alphas. Xsplat doesn’t qualify for C, which is why he listed only Options A and B.
Option C – Women benefits. No women problems.
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Yur gay as hell dkb. Put a shirt on pink fatso.
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I think after some of you guys have had your fill of sex you’ll find, possibly, that something is missing. Roosh over on his site seems to be going through this recently. All the fucking just isn’t doing it. There has to be something more.
Yeah, eternal life. But that can’t be solved in a blog.
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@dkb810
Of course no women problems.. cuz your gay. And how can someone who can’t even pay his rent on time talk about “Alpha”?
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Typical Alpha haters and their responses. I could see how my rent is the center of your pathetic existence.
After you put the three letters c u z together to form a word; you effectively displayed your lack of intelligence. Be gone insect.
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@Jesse
It would be interesting to know where you’re coming from personally. Are you a leader in terms of business, diplomacy or a uniformed service?
1) If you are trying to say that you’re against the way that western feminism is unnaturally influencing young women to reject the older male patriarchy (the senior leaders of younger male followers), then I agree with your attitude.
2) If you are trying to say that you’re against the way that socialism transfers wealth from the leaders of men to the followers (+ young women and drop outs) without the followers, drop outs and young women having earned it (and enabling all these young folks to add insult to injury by screwing each other like rabbits on your dime), then I agree with your attitude.
The natural way of the world (in non-feminist, non-socialist cultures) is for young women to look up to and mate with the leaders of industry, politics, even to uniformed men with authority (with the most alpha men getting more than one at the same time).
Take away the nanny state, for instance via severe financial crisis like the one we’ve been having, and more sex will go to the actual leaders of men and the builders of civilization. By contrast, in a fat, happy socialist state, men over 25 won’t have any motivation to build civilization if they see the women 18-25 humping surfer dudes and drug dealers.
That said, however, even in a non-socialist society, a man’s leadership status still won’t get him the best women 18-25.
I was at the gym on Saturday and I was the only person older than 22. When the young women flirted with me at the juice bar, I realized that it was not because of any apparent “leadership/financial” status but because most men over 22 have given up permanently on exercise and I looked young and attractive by default. I was only a “leader of men” to these women because I wasn’t lazy like most other men.
Now, would I want to “lead other men” to exercise more? Only here in this comment. Locally I would be a fool to encourage the competition to lift weights and compete with me for the women.
Since working out is only one of many game strategies to get women that does not involve being seen by the women as a “leader of men,” I would have to say that, besides accumulating resources (money, skills, connections) and fighting feminism/socialism on the side, there isn’t much point in specifically trying to be a “leader of men” in order to have a good sex life, anywhere in the world.
And here is another point: to be a “leader of men” inside the US culture, one would assume that a man would be living in New York or DC, Boston or San Francisco…the most heavily feminist and anti-male environments on Earth.
IMHO, it’s a huge mistake for a man to join the rat race there trying to climb over other men to be a “leader” where your “reward” might be a 35 year old SWPL woman who thinks she’s the queen of the pack.
Look at the “leaders” of the American media and business. Most are manginas like Mike Bloomberg, Rupert Murdoch and his son, Dick Scaife and Ted Turner. Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are considered the main new American “leaders of men” in terms of bringing value to the US civilization (and American history).
None of the “leaders of men” I just mentioned have any kind of sex life I’d want to even view on video, much less make it so I “wanted to become them”.
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Despite the fact that a man should be working out with weights and learning game, it’s still basically true that, in a culture where women are discouraged from mating with the “leaders of men” (propaganda, wealth transfers via taxation), then men will not be motivated to become leaders of other men nor do much to build civilization…causing an eventual collapse.
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Jerry
Heady stuff there and well put. I am in agreement.
Feminism and the nanny State have paved the way for a bunch of nerds and lesser men to claim Alpha status.
The irony is that this blog rails against the feminists and the socialist State–precisely the 2 structural elements that make this narrowed definition of Alpha male possible in the first place.
I suppose my own background is somewhat relevant here. I am not a leader of men. I roll totally solo, work for no one, and go and do as I please, anywhere in the world. And I don’t play video games.
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I would like to see the comparison of the best looking menfolk.
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Roissy
Just wanted to send you a link to a feminist posting as to why women prefer beta males. I know the whole article is terribly hypocritical. I wish you could tear apart this article sentence by sentence and expose the shit of it all to your readers.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article2602592.ece
BTW south indian girls are smarter and have sharper and more impressionable features than north indian girls who have just pasty looks. Sexual chemistry wise pheromonally south indian girls get the testosterone surging up.
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This Kate Mulvey should never have been allowed by the Sunday Times to publish what even liberal males would have considered drivel spoken only in women’s studies faculty lounges a decade ago.
The above quote also clearly spells out that feminism is about a zero sum game where equality is the last thing these old harpies want.
Wishful thinking from a cougar, reflecting the mentally sick arrogance feminists have about their ability to change male behavior, this time not even via legal regulations.
Wrong frame as well.
All men, young and old, prefer the most fertile women (and no man in his right mind would consider marriage unless he somehow snared a 10 whose mother is a 9 and whose grandmother is still a 7).
Younger men will choose ball-breaking cougars only because they are easier to get and the younger men haven’t learned game yet. It’s mostly a short term arrangement (and guys doing this shouldn’t brag about being paid to have sex).
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But forget that old 2007 article from England.
Just today a Beta Republican US Congressman, Christopher Lee of western NY, resigned because…
…he had responded to the Craigs List personals ad of a 34 year old African American woman in DC, sending a picture of himself without a shirt and using his real name saying he wasn’t married (he’s got a wife and two kids).
The 34 year old woman’s ad had been really negative and demanding, especially where it said the man must be 30-39 years old (in EE a woman of her description couldn’t get the interest of any man under 60).
What could have motivated him to respond to that particular ad?
She Googled him and quickly learned he was a member of Congress. Probably doing well off the daddy state and having zero empathy toward men (her negative personals ad could have warned him of that), she clearly didn’t see any need to become a Congressman’s mistress so she sent the entire record of her private email conversation with him to Gawker.com.
Is it so hard to get laid in DC that a white Congressman would need to approach a 34 year old black woman on Craigslist?
Wouldn’t he have had interns, thousands of young women from his district looking to get some experience in DC?
The Rayburn Building is packed with young interns. Any Congressman with game could take one to dinner any night of the week.
I know things couldn’t have gotten that bad in the past 10 years. Clinton nailed tons of interns 10 years ago.
He needs to be prosecuted for approaching a probable 4 in her mid thirties, sight unseen on Craigslist, and electronically documenting that he wanted to cheat on his wife with this stranger.
The Republican Party let this guy run for office in 2010?
Give me Berlusconi any day. If he goes down, he at least would have enjoyed his “crimes.”
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A major vocation for the alpha male is control. This brings fornication.
Fornication alone has less value.
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