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Eliciting Sexual Values

February 9, 2011 by CH

The resident raging SWPL over at OkCupid has a new post up about the best questions to ask on a first date if you want to know something important about your date — that is, something important *to you*, like whether she is the type to bang on the first date. What he and his merry band of politically correct pansies did was correlate viable first date questions — i.e., questions that weren’t too personal, awkward or creepy — with an assortment of variables such as the person’s willingness to go all the way right away and couples’ relationship lengths.

For instance:

Answering “Yes” to the question of “Do you like the taste of beer?” correlates strongly with a willingness to consider sex on the first date. This goes for women as well as men, though seeing as all real men like the taste of beer and the possibility of first date sex, it’s pretty much a question geared toward finding out what depth of sluttiness women are eager to plumb.

If you want to know whether your date has long term potential, you should ask her if she has ever traveled to another country alone. If she has, and you have done as well, then consider it a match made in heaven.

There is a question in that OkCupid post that doesn’t make much sense. If you want to know whether your date shares the same politics as you, you’re supposed to ask her if she prefers simple people or complex people in her life. By 2:1, liberals prefer the latter and conservatives the former. But what does “simple” mean? Simple-minded, or honest? A complex person could just as easily mean a liar or a laconic mystery man. So it may just be that liberal girls prefer unending relationship drama and conservative girls prefer more stable, even-keeled LTRs. Since 90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal, this means very few bangable women like stable relationships.

In case you haven’t noticed, the topic covered in that OkCupid post is essentially the game concept of eliciting values. A key part of building comfort with a girl you want to bang is getting to know her values and mirroring them, so a deep and profound romantic connection that she thinks is something that “just happened” is actually the result of a calculated effort on your part.

Based on experience, below are some core value eliciting questions that will work on first dates. Remember, a good question must:

a. sound natural or funny,

b. hide its intentions, and

c. trigger a subconscious betrayal of the respondent’s true values.

The value elicitation can be in the form of a routine, or asked as standalone questions. Take care to listen to her answers, because that is going to tell you if she’s up for a same night lay.

“Have you ever chewed gum in church or at a job interview?”

A “yes” means she likes to give blowjobs. Also, if she’s a smoker, she’s a pole smoker.

“Have you ever attended a protest?”

Yes: She’s cheated on exes.

No: Don’t expect first date sex.

“Did you go to the protest to actually protest, or to laugh at the people there?”

Actually protest: she will never cook you a meal and her relationships are paper-thin.

Laugh at the protestors: she falls in love deeply.

“Have you ever worn goofy socks? Like socks with penguins stitched on them?”

Yes: attention whore! Also, likely to play hard-to-get.

“What’s your favorite 4AM food?”

Trick question! If she has had food at 4AM, she is a party slut.

“What’s the one thing you have in common with your parents that you wish you didn’t?”

If she says nothing, she will try to introduce you to her dad within three months of the relationship.

“Is god a he or a she?”

He: She’s telling you want you want to hear. This is good, it shows she likes you.

She: Feminist harpy. Pump and dump.

Neither, there is no god: She’s down for anal.

“Does the thought of breaking into dance in front of a crowd of strangers make you nervous or excited?”

Nervous: She likes to cuddle.

Excited: She’s had sex in a bathroom stall. When she was younger, hotter, tighter. For free.

“When you played hide and seek as a little girl, did you prefer being the hider or the seeker?”

Hider: She likes to be dominated.

Seeker: She likes to poach other girls’ boyfriends.

“What kind of clothing makes you feel the sexiest?”

Cocktail dress: Status whore.

Mini-skirt: Slut.

Ballroom gown: Princess.

Wedding gown: Run.

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  1. on February 9, 2011 at 2:56 pm vv

    first

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  2. on February 9, 2011 at 2:57 pm Routes

    Oh man! Let’s give that guy who commented first a fucking medal! He’s so deserving of it!

    But seriously, good article, totally gonna ask these questions

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  3. on February 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm Science

    excellent post

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  4. on February 9, 2011 at 3:20 pm z

    Good stuff, and so funny!

    The blogger OneStdv had a article the other day about a professional woman who fell in love with a imprisoned murderer who actually used a unintentional (I guess, maybe he knew exactly what it was) neg on her when they met; “Your eyes are sad”. It immediately conjured up this blog’s author in my mind.

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  5. on February 9, 2011 at 3:22 pm Firepower

    haha – Liberals and swipples BOTH believe in superstitious omens because they are incapable of accepting rational facts.

    Before getting intimate for the horizontal refreshment, I just ask if she prefers “oysters or snails” and I get a twofer if she gets the Spartacus reference.

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  6. on February 9, 2011 at 3:23 pm Science

    but when are you going to comment on that breeding between the lines shit? I know how much of a fan of miscegenation you are. I just want to know how your opinions on that square with the science on heterosis (like that major histocompatibility complex business).

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  7. on February 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm darknesscomes

    This article, for some reason, reminded me of something I wanted to ask everyone here.

    Now obviously we know that girls are hypergamous and will be looking to trade-up.

    But recently I’ve noticed (on three different occassions within three different social groups) a girl leaving a guy for a LOSER. A guy with far lower status/value/SMV than the guy she was with. And we are not talking the COOL loser type; like a biker or something I mean the smell-funny live in your dad’s attic type.

    One guy was about as alpha as you could get: ex-military, tall, extremely fit and good-looking. Women LOVED this guy then BAM! His wife leave for a loser.

    Another guy had this happen with a guy who, well, smelled, had a poor job, was dumb as shit, ugly and smelled funny, living in his dad’s attic.

    None of these loser guys had ANY social proof in their respective social circles. The rest of the girls hated them.

    Thoughts?

    DC

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  8. on February 9, 2011 at 3:33 pm Corporal Hicks

    Sorry, bros, but eliciting interest in sex from females is becoming less and less revelant.

    Sure, hypergamy is running rampant now, but dont’ underestimate the power of electronics.

    A full 40% of young women polled stated that they would rather give up sex for AN ENTIRE YEAR, than turn in their cellphones.

    You know how the Kupcakes just can’t live without ’em.

    Expect this percentage to rise as the new Generation moves fully in cyborg-human admixture hell.

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  9. on February 9, 2011 at 3:35 pm Corporal Hicks

    DC:

    The answer to your question is simple: NCU.

    The real question is HOW LONG do you think Kupcake will stay with the lower status guy.

    Trust me. She’ll make lightning look like molasses.

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  10. on February 9, 2011 at 3:39 pm jt

    You must be in a blue state: in Texas over half the young hot bangable white babes are politically conservative.

    Do you own a professional sports team jersey? Slut.

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  11. on February 9, 2011 at 3:49 pm O-face

    excellent post!..I just read this on OKC this morning and you guys already have commentary on this, this afternoon. However, a lot of girls choose middle ground as in ‘not sure’ answers, how would you interpret that?

    Thanks!

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  12. on February 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    @darknesscomes

    They get the good drugs.

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  13. on February 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm Obama Sez Bow Down Muddah Beetches

    …ask her if she prefers simple people or complex people in her life. By 2:1, liberals prefer the latter and conservatives the former. But what does “simple” mean? Simple-minded, or honest? A complex person could just as easily mean a liar or a laconic mystery man. So it may just be that liberal girls prefer unending relationship drama and conservative girls prefer more stable, even-keeled LTRs.

    Wow. Such masterful reasoning. Aristotle himself would bow down and kiss the pinky ring. Here’s the real explanation. Liberals are generally smart enough to appreciate and understand nuance, complexity, and uncertainty,

    [Editor:
    nuance = pretension
    complexity = muddled thinking
    uncertainty = indecisiveness]

    while conservatives are a bunch of mouth-breathing, christianist proles with a sense entitlement the size of Texas, who like to whine and blame their life’s failings on some poor fuck somewhere that can barely afford a can of beans; with a very very small number of educated rich white people who vote their own self interest mixed in. Bow Down Muddah Beeetches!

    [Behold liberal tolerance.]

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  14. on February 9, 2011 at 3:56 pm (r)evolutionary

    DC,
    Are you really asking that question in this Chateau? There’s only one simple, direct answer, and if you’ve read more than a post here, you should know it by heart.
    There may also be extenuating circumstances. Like the great guys you mentioned actually had severe, undisclosed character flaws. Alcoholism, emotional disconnection, and workaholism all qualify.

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  15. on February 9, 2011 at 4:00 pm The_King

    Atheists love anal on the first date. I guess most hedonists are agnostic or atheist.

    Asking about an ideal country travel or activity is also great to read people.

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  16. on February 9, 2011 at 4:07 pm The Specimen

    @ Science

    Took a look at the little blurb for the book, and it seems for the most part to be some overstated bs meant to move books off shelves. When hooking up, people, on average, demonstrate pretty strong in group preferences. White chicks tend to prefer white guys, black chicks tend to prefer black guys, and asian chicks tend to prefer white guys. Just trolling you guys with that last one.

    Histocompatibility aside, I think that the emergence of MRSA has pretty much proven beyond a reasonable doubt that swapping genetic material and increasing genetic diversity is a good thing for a species.

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  17. on February 9, 2011 at 4:10 pm Malcolm Tucker

    too long name guy

    Here’s the real explanation. Liberals are generally smart enough to appreciate and understand nuance, complexity, and uncertainty, while conservatives are a bunch of mouth-breathing, christianist proles with a sense entitlement the size of Texas, who like to whine and blame their life’s failings on some poor fuck somewhere that can barely afford a can of beans; with a very very small number of educated rich white people who vote their own self interest mixed in. Bow Down Muddah Beeetches!

    Here’s the real explanation. People who buy into the liberal/conservative marketing scheme are sheep ripe for shearing by the only real people who matter: the wealthy.

    Wealth is what counts. Wealth is power. Wealth is reality. Everything else is propaganda for suckers.

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  18. on February 9, 2011 at 4:14 pm From the can

    Kokology strikes again

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  19. on February 9, 2011 at 4:16 pm gig

    They get the good drugs

    The truth hurts, indeed !!

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  20. on February 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm Famousamous

    We can stop here. Malcolm Tucker wins the thread.

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  21. on February 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm carter

    ask her how many times she has said,” I usually don’t do this on the first date..” if she can count it on one hand, you are good. If she uses two hands, take her home right now. If she uses all fingers and toes take her to the bathroom…

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  22. on February 9, 2011 at 4:25 pm Hughman

    @darknesscomes

    If their husbands went so beta as to be practically omega (how they act in the home can be different to how they act socially), then almost any guy will be hotter

    Also, brillaint questions CR. Perfect timing for me

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  23. on February 9, 2011 at 4:32 pm Good Luck Chuck

    Interesting.

    The best girlfriends I have had despised the taste of beer. The ones who loved beer were either mini skirt wearing party girls or pink haired emo sluts. The occasional Mich Ultra drinkers fell somewhere in between.

    Some of my other experiences:

    Jack or Crown- loves anal
    Red wine- pretentious slut
    Vodka Red Bull- party slut
    Vodka Tonic- older party slut
    Vodka soda- fat party slut
    Vodka and fruity stuff- doesn’t want you to think she’s a slut even though she probably is
    Patron- would love to get naked in front of your camera
    Scotch on the rocks- psycho alkie
    All of the above- super psycho alkie

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  24. on February 9, 2011 at 4:35 pm Anton

    Ask her if she likes her therapist. If she has a therapist, you’re pretty much good to go.

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  25. on February 9, 2011 at 4:38 pm Alex

    “Patron- would love to get naked in front of your camera”

    So true… so true.

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  26. on February 9, 2011 at 4:38 pm Anton

    Disagree with Good Luck Chuck.

    Girls who prefer beer are easy (or easier).

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  27. on February 9, 2011 at 4:38 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Good Luck Chuck

    Good list.

    The number of Kupcake alcoholics out there is WAY underestimated.

    And it’s only going to rise.

    More and more men are ghosting out, ignoring women (and their psycho-drama) completely….

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  28. on February 9, 2011 at 4:43 pm Lupo Leboucher

    @Specimen: “I think that the emergence of MRSA has pretty much proven beyond a reasonable doubt that swapping genetic material and increasing genetic diversity is a good thing for a species.”

    Google on the term “outbreeding selection” some time. It’s not always true. Sometimes it is radically false.

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  29. on February 9, 2011 at 4:56 pm Ovid

    jt
    You must be in a blue state: in Texas over half the young hot bangable white babes are politically conservative.

    Do you own a professional sports team jersey? Slut

    JT, an acquaintance of mine’s wife wears a Derek Jeeter jersey to bed at night. (Yeah, he’s a Beta. Kitchen-bitch variety.) They’re having marital problems…

    People who buy into the liberal/conservative marketing scheme are sheep ripe for shearing by the only real people who matter: the wealthy.

    Wealth is what counts. Wealth is power. Wealth is reality. Everything else is propaganda for suckers.

    Well said, Malcolm.

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  30. on February 9, 2011 at 5:04 pm old guy

    @Malcolm Tucker

    “Here’s the real explanation. People who buy into the liberal/conservative marketing scheme are sheep ripe for shearing by the only real people who matter: the wealthy.

    Wealth is what counts. Wealth is power. Wealth is reality. Everything else is propaganda for suckers.”

    BINGO !!!

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  31. on February 9, 2011 at 5:08 pm Rollo Tomassi

    DC

    Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic.

    I personally know Marines who’ve been in fire fights in Afghanistan and Iraq who’re some of the most hopeless beta AFCs you’d ever want to know with women. These are guys who’ve pulled the trigger on other people determined to kill them, but they’ll blubber like children at the thought of losing their ONEitis girl. We’re not talking HB 8+’s, these guys are completely owned by their overweight 4’s and 5’s.

    I could also relate countless other stories about very successful businessmen too. All guys that anyone would call Alpha – millionaires by their own determination – who’re hopeless, plugged in chumps with women.

    My best guess would be these women are branch swingers and the omega schlubs they traded down to are just convenient landing pads until they find a better option.

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  32. on February 9, 2011 at 5:09 pm Workshy Joe

    Someone should bring out beer-flavoured bubble gum. I’m just saying.

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  33. on February 9, 2011 at 5:38 pm Rusty Shackleford

    “Since 90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal”

    Anyone from the southern states completely disagree with this one? Maybe the daddy government D.C. area draws in the attractive liberal women, but I have to say the average score of conservative vs. liberal women in Atlanta and the surrounding southern region is easily 1-1.5 points higher.

    It’s rapidly dying out, but there is still a strain of southern femininity that holds “keeping your man happy” (tug jobs unspoken but insinuated) as high of a virtue as going to church every Sunday. Those kind of women definitely take care themselves and are pretty much always 7s and up. And hell, those kind of traits can really do wonders for a 5 or a 6 as well…

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  34. on February 9, 2011 at 5:40 pm Jonathan Manor

    hahahh 4am.

    I don’t know, I guess there’s more of a dimensional surface between questions, especially when they’re posed in a unnatural manner like the ones above. Not unnatural but in a eyebrow raising complex way that you posed most the questions.

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  35. on February 9, 2011 at 5:44 pm MJH

    I’ve always found questions about what TV/movies/books she likes goes a long way in telling me about her politics, personality, slut factor.

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  36. on February 9, 2011 at 4:13 pm darknesscomes

    @Dat_truth No, these guys don’t sell drugs nor do the girls do them. Just alcohol

    @Revolutionary,
    That’s the thing though. I know these guys well (well, two of them I do). That’s why I can’t figure it out. I mean, even if the guiys changed from alpha to beta in the respective LTR, the loser guys are OMEGAS for christ sakes. As I mentioned, there isn’t even any social proof because all of the other girls in the respective social circles LAUGH at them.

    I’ve never seen anything like it and I’m in my 40’s. Now, I have seen girls jump from beta to alpha, or even alpha-to-alpha, but never alpha to omega.

    About the only thing I can come up with is something going on with the template thing she has talked about.

    DC

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  37. on February 9, 2011 at 6:23 pm Chip

    “90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal” – ???!! – spend a little more time in the south and less in Cali/NY and maybe you’ll change your mind on that.

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  38. on February 9, 2011 at 4:30 pm gig

    It is amazing how politicyzed the sexual interaction is in the USA. Given that this must be sound advice for everything he has written all over this years, it baffles me to know that it is normal to bring God or protests for any reason in an early date.

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  39. on February 9, 2011 at 6:34 pm al

    The best girlfriends I have had despised the taste of beer. The ones who loved beer were either mini skirt wearing party girls or pink haired emo sluts. The occasional Mich Ultra drinkers fell somewhere in between.

    Some of my other experiences:

    Jack or Crown- loves anal
    Red wine- pretentious slut
    Vodka Red Bull- party slut
    Vodka Tonic- older party slut
    Vodka soda- fat party slut
    Vodka and fruity stuff- doesn’t want you to think she’s a slut even though she probably is
    Patron- would love to get naked in front of your camera
    Scotch on the rocks- psycho alkie
    All of the above- super psycho alkie

    I guess that just leaves gin. Ladies, if you don’t drink gin you’re a slut! Or white wine spritzers!

    “Did you go to the protest to actually protest, or to laugh at the people there?”

    Actually protest: she will never cook you a meal and her relationships are paper-thin.

    Laugh at the protestors: she falls in love deeply.

    What is the answer is both?

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  40. on February 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm neobaltar

    Brilliant post! Some very keen insights into the female psyche.

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  41. on February 9, 2011 at 6:45 pm College Slacker

    “Which do you prefer, crash bandicoot or mario bros?”

    Crash: likes fruit up her ass

    Mario Bros: enjoys a good mushroom stamp

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  42. on February 9, 2011 at 6:53 pm Cyning

    90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal

    Not just hot girls. All girls. Ugly girls find liberalism comforting. It’s an ideological rationalisation hamster, except rationalising their having to make do with bottom-of-the-barrel lesser betas, if anyone at all.

    Hotter girls are implicitly less liberal as they don’t have to do mental gymnastics in light of their socio-sexual standing, as they’re already high up on it.

    Those rare conservative girls fall vaguely into two categories:

    -Ugly ones whose isolation resulting from said ugliness makes them see the world through a clear lens

    -Hot ones whose hotness gives them an extra buffer against social ostracism. That just means they can get away with saying more brutally honest things, not that they will necessarily act conservatively, not when good looks afford so many worldly pleasures

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  43. on February 9, 2011 at 6:58 pm College Slacker

    @Cyning

    I would expand your statement to “hot girls don’t give a shit about politics.”

    The only girls I have known that really care about politics, liberal or conservative, have been 6’s and below. The hot girls I know/have known couldn’t care less. Fly girls don’t have to worry about all that stuff, they get what they want at the end of the day.

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  44. on February 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm Rabbit

    Girls who like the taste of beer = Girls who want to be “one of the guys”

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  45. on February 9, 2011 at 7:18 pm Heydrich

    I agree with what others posted. Many, many of your 7.5/8+ girls in the South are conservative. The ones who are stridently, virulently liberal are transplants or ‘tards.

    It’s very refreshing after fleeing the large mid-Atlantic and Northeast cities and coming back to earth.

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  46. on February 9, 2011 at 7:20 pm Cape Codder

    Just completed a long evening commute, and the talk airwaves were flooded with blue pill callers condemning Mark Sanchez. One after another kept up the refrain “He could have anybody he wants; what does Mark Sanchez want with a 17 year old?”

    Sadly, nobody called in to explain that she was younger, hotter, tighter than his other options and probably hadn’t been desouled by butthexual heroes yet.

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  47. on February 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm gig

    Latin American girls are, with the exception of highly fractured Venezuela and maybe Colombia, apolitycal.

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  48. on February 9, 2011 at 7:27 pm gig

    Not just hot girls. All girls. Ugly girls find liberalism comforting. It’s an ideological rationalisation hamster,

    Someone posted here longtime ago a paper by a guy showing how politics in each American state turned decisively to the left once female suffrage was introduced in each one.

    The Romans, wiser than us, considered that women, children and slaves were incapable of political rights, somethng pretty obvious to any reader of this blog…

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  49. on February 9, 2011 at 7:29 pm gig

    @ Good luck chuck

    Drinking Red Bull is probably one of the greatest red flags a girl can show. Red Bull is a non-issue, girls should not drink it as much as they should not pee standing

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  50. on February 9, 2011 at 5:37 pm DaveinHackensack

    I think this Modern Love column from Sunday’s NY Times Styles Section calls for a post, “The Hardest Lesson to Learn”. Almost beyond parody. Excerpt:

    I remember telling him a bit of my own story that night: of how sick I’d been all through my 20s, suffering from a debilitating bladder condition that spurred my addiction to painkillers, and how grateful I now feel for living in a place where I don’t have to be defined by my past, by old traumas, by a tired identity as a sick person, a troubled person, someone people worry about.

    As I confessed, he traced the line of my thigh with a finger and then offered up two words from the darkness: “I understand.”

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  51. on February 9, 2011 at 7:38 pm Gramps

    Re: darknesscomes and girls leaving for lower status guys.

    My best guess: Big Cocks.

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  52. on February 9, 2011 at 5:53 pm O-face

    http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2011/02/07/key-to-happy-marriage-mom-cooks-dad-plays/?mod=e2fb/

    Science proves CH right yet again

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  53. on February 9, 2011 at 8:20 pm Paul

    Rusty pretty much nailed it. If a 5 gives you a big genuine smile before putting your manhood in her mouth she becomes a 6. A shining smile after swallowing your load boosts her up in that moment to a 7. A daily dose of this cycle keeps her at a perma 6.

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  54. on February 9, 2011 at 7:08 pm blert

    If your game strays to politics — welcome to the omega zone.

    You are very safe assuming that young women are Liberals.

    A huge slice of the Liberal agenda going way back is dedicated to advantaging women. ( Even if the consequences are exactly the opposite — read prior CH )

    Twenty-something chicks almost always buy into that schtick.

    Fuck them — don’t educate them.

    The rare gal that finally figures Feminism out is almost certain to be approaching menopause. Until that moment there is no argument a man can make that overcomes the babble of the sisterhood.

    Nothing says groupthink like young on-the-hunt babes.

    This also explains why the 5s think they’re 9s. They can’t figure out the game rules are different for them. They simply adopt the mentality of the ranking ‘hoes.

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  55. on February 9, 2011 at 9:21 pm beefcake

    All of those questions are already talking too much. Get her to your place. Grab her, emediately start the fucking process.

    If she hits you across the face, gets her shit and leaves, then guess what?

    You figured out she doesn’t fuck on the first date.

    All done, move onto next girl.

    Time saved: ALL of it.

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  56. on February 9, 2011 at 9:24 pm Alec Leamas

    “Since 90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal”

    I’ve come to view womens’ politics, at least for more than half of women, and significantly more than half of bangable women irrelevant at the very least. Liberalism like feminism is something that women themselves are conflicted about, and in my experience many young women parrot some vague bromides but don’t have real conviction about anything outside themselves and their immediate circumstances. The all-encompasing ether for young women is their self-perceived level of attractiveness which is constantly in flux and their status through the men in their lives; they don’t have much time or mental energy left to think seriously about serious things.

    There are two axes for political views – the views themselves and the intensity with which one holds them. The percentage of people who hold ideologically consistent views very intensely is much less than what Fox or MSNBC would have you believe. This is more the case for young women. This gets confirmed in fact by the preference of single women for the Democrats and the preference of married women for Republicans. The only logical conclusions are that single women view government as a substitute for a provider male figure and many single women’s political views aren’t intensely held – when their personal circumstances change and Uncle Sugar is taking rather than giving, their worldview lists to the right.

    Disagreeing with women about politics – often by taking an extreme and outrageous view directly contradicting one that a woman expresses – can be very alpha if done correctly. For example, say that Benito Mussolini was a great leader and defend your position without giving an inch. If you have rhetorical and intellectual chops, all the better.

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  57. on February 9, 2011 at 9:46 pm stonelifter

    let me get this straight, you pansy ass metro-sexuals think you’re alpha males because you can lie and manipulate your way into a woman’s panties? to hell with that! isn’t that the way women live their lives?

    Want to be an alpha male? Join the Army, make it into a Ranger Batt, deploy to A-stan, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, get blown up by an IED, recover, deploy to iraq, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, repeat.

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  58. on February 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm Kyre

    First time commenter here. Got a question for CH, or anyone else who thinks they might have the proper advice for how to use game on a girl you aren’t interested in banging, but moving in with.

    I’ve got a first time meeting scheduled with a girl at a coffeeshop tomorrow, looking to rent her spare bedroom in a cheap downtown home, close to campus.

    Chick said she wanted a grad student roommate. She’s 29, and refused to respond to any emails until I sent her one saying I was a grad student. She in turn has said she prefers to live with males due to our being more “laid back” and having a “lack of drama”. Immediate warning flag: Everyone who has ever said this to me, loves creating drama, especially women.

    She lives with two dogs, and that’s it. Perhaps a dog-person’s version of a cat-lady? Especially since she’s reaching the age of zero dating market value. Could also be a real troll as well–not that it matters.

    Again, how best to run this? I’m not sure if the usual rules would apply, or if I would want to play more of the casual beta type to put her at ease and into a comfortable mode to better land the rental.

    Thanks in advance.

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  59. on February 9, 2011 at 9:58 pm Paul

    Nothing says alpha like consenting to deployment into an unjust war against a populace of barely armed cave men.

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  60. on February 9, 2011 at 10:07 pm redemperor

    Paul,

    You libel far better men than you. They’re out there defending all of us. And if you don’t see the need for them, then take a stroll down to Fulton Street in New York, and look at the hole in the ground

    That said, Stonelifter – what the fuck does military service have to do with this post? We’re talking about pussy, not war. And personal heroism doesn’t necessarily guarantee high grade pussy, though in a just world it would.

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  61. on February 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm Q.S.

    You make it all so so so…..so complicated. Can’t you just give us ABC? I hang on every word.

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  62. on February 9, 2011 at 10:24 pm Alpha Cat

    A woman’s definition of simple and complex means “Predictable (simple) and Unpredictible (complex)”

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  63. on February 9, 2011 at 10:41 pm Malcolm Tucker

    Want to be an alpha male? Join the Army, make it into a Ranger Batt, deploy to A-stan, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, get blown up by an IED, recover, deploy to iraq, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, repeat.

    Sounds more like being a rich man’s bitch who can’t cut it in the private sector so he has to find a government welfare job fighting the rich man’s wars, risking his life and sanity for peanuts. But thank fuck he’s there; just another resource to make me some money.

    So sure, buy into the bullshit propaganda. Be proud and patriotic. Be a big tough guy. Be a sucker. Knock yourself out alpha dog.

    I’ll stay at home and make money directly and indirectly from the businesses who make the real profits from your government welfare job and the concomitant effects it has on stock prices, commodity prices, etc. etc. etc. And get laid of course, all while sleeping in a nice warm soft bed: just like the rich men who control your life. The real alphas of society. The ones who yank your chain and you have to obey.

    But look on the bright side. If you follow all the rules alpha dog and be a good little doggie, your masters might give you another government welfare job as a cop or some other kind of armed tax collector or law enforcement bureaucrat.

    And if you’re a really smart and obedient doggie, one that will sit on his hind heels at his masters’ command and bark only when your supposed to bark, you’ll be allowed to parlay that government welfare job into a contractor gig: especially if you’re not a door kicker or other form of cannon fodder but some kind of networking or telcom geek with a TS/CSI. Hell, if you plan it right you’ll never have to compete in the private sector for your whole life. You’ll live as a moderately-well paid doggie. And your kids will make excellent doggies for massa to use too.

    Just be sure to follow those rules and you’ll be allowed to think you’re an “alpha” by the real alphas dogs who hold your leash. The big dogs.

    They all live in the DC suburbs and a few select district neighborhoods by the way, in really nice townhouses and houses. Really nice. And you can be rest assured that their kids aren’t going to be trigger pullers.

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  64. on February 9, 2011 at 10:42 pm Malcolm Tucker

    Make that TS/SCI. It’s so hard to keep massa’s doggie breeds straight.

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  65. on February 9, 2011 at 10:43 pm pantyfx

    Love the questions.

    As much as war is fucking retarded, it’s a cycle of death needed to scale the growth. Soldiers are willing sacrifices, that’s alpha by virtue of the immediacy of their death.

    Girls want to love and lose, but win the status of having attained that quality. It’s like an achievement to them.

    I normally don’t ask questions, I can predict things according to the body language and responses to a couple stories I tell.

    If I tell a sad story and shes geniunely sympathetic, she’s already connected – it’s a done deal.

    If she fakes, she’s not interested.

    If she fakes with technique, she’s a viper – pass that shit off to the next chump.

    If I tell a funny story and she laughs over the top:

    If it’s uncontrollable, she wants my dick and thinks im higher status already, I stop and start closing.

    If she doesn’t laugh, im fucking bombing lol cut it short and move on.

    If she laughs and it’s genuine, I stop talking, she’s going to open up.

    It’s not rocket science, it’s just paying attention ;D

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  66. on February 9, 2011 at 10:50 pm Paul

    redemperor,

    I am not attacking the military per se. I am attacking willing enrollment into an organization that hasn’t fought a justifiable war since 1812.

    and no, putting homosexuals and jews in camps doesn’t justify conscripting the youth of America to fight wars on foreign soil.

    Pearl Harbor would have never happened if the US wasn’t blatantly on the side of the allies. Hitler and the Emperor didn’t have the political or economic staying power to wage cross-oceanic wars on US soil.

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  67. on February 9, 2011 at 10:54 pm Ronin

    @Ovid
    “jt
    You must be in a blue state: in Texas over half the young hot bangable white babes are politically conservative.

    Do you own a professional sports team jersey? Slut

    JT, an acquaintance of mine’s wife wears a Derek Jeeter jersey to bed at night. (Yeah, he’s a Beta. Kitchen-bitch variety.) They’re having marital problems…”

    I cant resist the thought of cuckoldery caused by some bloke and his bird sporting matching jerseys with some other bloke’s name emblazoned across their upper rear torso. If you’re over ten years old, the last name on the back of your kit should be the sperm donour you call dad, wankers.

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  68. on February 9, 2011 at 11:08 pm blert

    Good grief…

    Japan attacks us, Hitler declares unlimited war upon us…

    But we’ve never had a justifiable war since 1812?

    You, sir, are an idiot.

    The ONLY war that America fought that was flaky WAS the War of 1812. Yeah, IT was the optional war.

    Dude… If that’s your best — spare us.

    As for the rest, ignorance is sweet, as is arrogance.

    As Russia can tell you — it is SO much better fighting far away rather than in your Capital.

    As for unarmed Taliban: their basic load is an AK-47. Beyond that they are aided and abetted by fanatic muslims with state resources.

    It was the full intention of the 911 attack to destroy both the White House and the Congress. Bush was out of town and Congress was late to work — so they chose the Pentagon as a FALL BACK target.

    Get that: they wanted to destroy our elected government. Period.

    As to why the plane hit the Army side of the Pentagon? They were faked into it by heros on the doomed plane. These Americans knew something the muslims didn’t: the Pentagon was under re-hab and the Army wing was virtually empty — AND — it was the first side of the Pentagon to be reinforced against car-bomb attacks. Bet you don’t see that in the MSM.

    The Pentagon plane had to zoom all over to track in on the Army Wing. EVERY other wing was loaded with ranking officers. Instead of 79 dead the count would have eclipsed all of the losses in New York. Yeah, the military was at work and fully staffed.

    Should such a loss occurred — Pakistan would have been nuked. Why? Pakistan’s man — a General — WAS in the Pentagon when it was attacked. If he’d died… Lord only knows what the National Command Authority would have done.

    The international community figured that we’d use nukes — almost for sure. Hence, EVERYBODY kissed Bush’s ring.

    Go back and look at the video.

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  69. on February 9, 2011 at 11:09 pm dana

    “Nothing says alpha like consenting to deployment into an unjust war against a populace of barely armed cave men.
    ”

    …and nothing says “buttfucking queer” like giving a rat’s ass if the military wipes out an entire country’s men, rapes its women and dashes the heads of its babies agianst rocks

    [Editor: Heh. Excellent reframe.]

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  70. on February 9, 2011 at 11:14 pm hooray_for_beer

    After giving some thought of the present state of the world (read: our society dominated by fembots and feminists) and what future we can expect (nanotech, human cloning, etc.), I’ve come to the conclusion that women will become irrelevant. This comes after reading your comments on the article how men will become obsolete. Initially I believed the authors assertions about how we men will become less useful. Who wouldn’t? After reading your comments my mind changed. After channeling the geek inside of me, I realized that it is women who will become irrelevant. Bear with me:

    For starters, men are less interested in a woman’s intellect. Our judgment of what makes a good mate is pretty straightforward, if she’s hot, we’re interested. When it comes to women, looks is just one of many factors (and I dare say, not the most important one.)

    Second of all, with the coming revolution in nanotechnology, we can expect the industrial capacity that currently exists in factories around the world to come to our own homes. You want that new BMW? Download the blueprints, get some of the raw materials and wait for sometime for your assembler to put the pieces together.

    Third of all, we’re nothing but data. In computers you have zeroes and ones. Our genetic make up consists of G, A, T and C. This can be easily represented with just 2 bits. We’re nothing more than software applications. We make new ones whenever the sperm touches the egg.

    Now, bring all these pieces together and it’s quite simple to make a hot woman (why stop with just one?) in your basement. You can make her whatever you want. You can make her think that your World of Warcraft skills are amazing and a DHV. Oh yes, the scrawny geek in a basement will now be able to do this. Irrespective of how Beta or Omega you are, you can program her to think that these are also a DHV. And program her to think only of you. She is now your little fleshy sex-bot that worships the ground that you walk on.

    For women, this does not hold. Women crave things that are way different. They crave men who are pre-selected (for one) and that would mean risking of having one of them eventually leave them. They would have to be more intelligent and capable of the same processes as their non-manufacture brethren (the fleshy sex-bots on the other hand don’t need to be terribly bright, in fact, some prefer them to be pretty dense.) What guarantee that these same men don’t discover the tech that was used to create them and take an easier route to just making your little plaything?

    Feminism will evaporate like morning dew on a hot summer’s day… just as I’m fucking the shit out of my little sex-bot on the grass.

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  71. on February 9, 2011 at 11:21 pm Rum

    dana

    I think I am in love.

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  72. on February 9, 2011 at 11:29 pm Q.S.

    A woman’s definition of simple and complex means “Predictable (simple) and Unpredictible (complex)”

    Oh yeah, Alpha Cat. You know exactly what the fuck you’re talking about. All women have exactly those definitions. This site is for morons. I was being sarcastic in case you couldn’t tell. Good luck.

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  73. on February 9, 2011 at 11:32 pm Anton

    MT,

    Are we talking Freemasons here? Illuminati? Space aliens?

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  74. on February 9, 2011 at 11:34 pm Rum

    I love the HBO series, “Rome”. I think it does a good job descibing the complex dichotomy of status and roles inherent in any successful Army. I mean, most folks take orders and show abeyance to their superiors. A few give orders and wear the coolest uniforms. But to WIN against the bad guys, which is arguably very Alpha and very pussy wettening, requires that the Officers lead from the front and the whole mass ATTACKS swinging their long swords to chop the soft yielding bodies of their enemies.

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  75. on February 9, 2011 at 11:35 pm Nobody

    darknesscomes: “girl leaving a guy for a LOSER”

    Heh. Describes me. Overweight, living off of my wife, dresses like a bum. Currently pulling a 7 (closer to 9 when she was younger) wife of a very high end professional. She says that she doesn’t want to leave her husband. Yet.

    What is really funny is that I didn’t start applying game tactics until she started flirting first. It didn’t hook her but it did help reel her in.

    Rollo Tomassi: “Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic.”

    Well sort of. I think that it has been hit on slightly on this site but alpha in business/battle and alpha in the bedroom are two independent variables. There may be a slight correlation but we all know examples of opposites both ways. Myself for one.

    When I was younger I was in an executive position and carried myself with power. But at home I was definitely beta verging on omega. It was a constant theme: Meet a girl, she becomes attracted, but after spending time alone and “opening up so that she’ll see the real me” she would flee. It took a long time to discover why and stop the bad habits.

    The woman mentioned above is married to a alpha at work beta at home type.

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  76. on February 10, 2011 at 12:11 am Anonymous

    Malcom Tucker said: “Sounds more like being a rich man’s bitch who can’t cut it in the private sector so he has to find a government welfare job fighting the rich man’s wars, risking his life and sanity for peanuts.”

    Seriously, being military, I dig blowin’ sh*t up and fightin’ off bad guys trying to kill me and my buddies… but, all dudes who do that stuff are NOT Alpha males. (Granted, you’ll have fewer wusses and other losers who can’t handle real-world stuff doing it.) Any dude who can only follow instructions and can’t wipe his own ass without being told to put three sheets of paper in his right hand and wipe in vertical manner is NOT an Alpha male. Too many stumps join up, think blindly following instructions guarantees them success and benefits, and end up getting themselves and their buddies dead because they’re easying pickings for a thinking opponent. Those stumps are probably Omegas who think a fancy uniform makes ’em Superman and have trouble getting past E4.

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  77. on February 10, 2011 at 12:29 am Jack I

    I also disagree that 90% of hot women are liberals. hot women are pro-status quo; they do what’s popular because they go with the winners. In NYC/DC and similar places what’s popular is liberalism, and these women all support abortion and gay marriage (though the truly hot women tend to be mostly apolitical).

    But in more conservative parts of the country, like the South, I’m sure your average hot sorority girl supports Republicans just like Daddy does. Again, going with the winners and the popular.

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  78. on February 10, 2011 at 1:13 am Sista Sista

    Women need to sick to their electric love nobbin’ vibrators, lesbian lovers and feisty cat and lovable puppy friends. Sex between men and women is a full-on joke and more and more women are finding this out which will hopefully cause a lot of women to finally give up on men altogether, find out that electric love and female on female sex is twtg and get with the sisters permanently.

    Women can go their own way and men should go theirs and never the twain shall meet. You guys can have your love-dolls and women can their electric love toys, each other and our pet companions. A perfect utopia at last for each and every one of us.

    YAY!

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  79. on February 10, 2011 at 1:46 am whiskey

    Paul — Hitler and Tojo had us on their to-do list. Being weak only gets you conquered. WWII would never have happened had idiot FDR (and his female backers) figured out that peace is secured by being so strong no one challenges you. How’d that Kellog-Briand pact outlawing War go again?

    Tucker — You make a BIG mistake. You think everything is stable. True wealth is power, but any thug with a gun can take it and everything else you have away from you. In a heartbeat. It can happen in a street mugging, or guy ticked off and flying a plane into your building. Your mistake is to think with technology a commodity to be bought and sold on the street like a pirated DVD, and the seething Third World CONNECTED to US, right at the hip, through jet travel, the internet, mass (illegal) immigration, you’re safe from it. Immune. That all that seething instability can’t boil over and give you a really bad Monday.

    You think that because the US has never faced a situation like this before, history will repeat itself like the 1950’s-1990’s replaying itself over and over again. You think “past performance is prediction of future returns.” It’s not.

    You NEED those military men, out there making sure oil flows. Or your dollars and “wealth” are illusory as Madoff shares. Just because you fly high now, doesn’t mean tomorrow you won’t crash.

    Alpha guys can be leaders of men repellent and one-itis with women. But still a requirement for civilization to survive, no matter how unsexy they are. Mystery may pick up chicks a lot, but I’d rather have a guy like Dick Winters on my side is Jihad Johnny starts shooting up my neighborhood than some “sexy” guy who is only good at being sexy. Not much help when someone is screaming Allah Akbar!

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  80. on February 10, 2011 at 2:45 am betondo fuchatuch

    @Whisky.

    Glad you’re on this blog and check in regularly.

    You bring calm, intelligent reasoned perspective, and give the emotive, public school-educated, brain washed knee-jerkers an opportunity to learn and broaden their perspective.

    Keep it coming, brother.

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  81. on February 10, 2011 at 2:59 am Irespectwomen

    You forgot all about the absolute best question to ask a new woman – “Would you let me buy you a drink?” If she says yes, she’s a keeper!

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  82. on February 10, 2011 at 1:24 am cobragirl

    For me (what can I say, quizzes are chick crack):

    Accurate
    –Chewed gum at church, and I like blow jobs.
    –Been to protests, have sex on first date.
    –There is no God, does anal.
    –Likes being the seeker, doesn’t poach boyfriends.

    Inaccurate
    –Been to protests, hasn’t cheated.
    –Protested at protests, cook meals, fall in love deeply.
    –Eats at 4AM, fucking hates parties.
    –Likes dancing in front of people, likes cuddling, hates sex in public with burning passion.
    –Likes being the seeker, dislikes being dominated.

    Insufficient data
    –Goofy socks have been worn because someone else bought them for me and I was too lazy to do laundry. I don’t know if that still counts.
    –Sexiest clothing is skinny jeans and a Star Wars shirt, because I know what attracts the sort of guys I like. 🙂

    [Editor: Does your beta boyfriend know you’re still dressing to attract those sorts of guys?]

    FWIW, OKCupid is much more accurate than him in predicting my personality: it predicted my lack of religiousness from my concern for spelling and my liberalism from my liking for complex people, but I will have sex on the first date despite hating beer. (And my betaboy and I have identical answers to the three LTR questions. True love!)

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  83. on February 10, 2011 at 3:45 am lawyerjourno

    “Is god a he or a she?”

    He: She’s telling you want you want to hear. This is good, it shows she likes you.

    She: Feminist harpy. Pump and dump.

    Neither, there is no god: She’s down for anal.//

    I really liked it the most!!

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  84. on February 10, 2011 at 4:37 am BetterBeta

    OT, but this study is interesting: “Giving women a small dose of the male sex hormone testosterone makes them less able to empathise with others, say UK and Dutch researchers.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12401967

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  85. on February 10, 2011 at 5:43 am xsplat

    Malcom Tucker

    And if you’re a really smart and obedient doggie, one that will sit on his hind heels at his masters’ command and bark only when your supposed to bark, you’ll be allowed to parlay that government welfare job into a contractor gig: especially if you’re not a door kicker or other form of cannon fodder but some kind of networking or telcom geek with a TS/CSI. Hell, if you plan it right you’ll never have to compete in the private sector for your whole life. You’ll live as a moderately-well paid doggie. And your kids will make excellent doggies for massa to use too.

    Just be sure to follow those rules and you’ll be allowed to think you’re an “alpha” by the real alphas dogs who hold your leash. The big dogs.

    Ahh, a man who understand what a beta really is.

    A beta is a man who inherently believes in authority, and inherently follows the system.

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  86. on February 10, 2011 at 6:06 am Deutsch

    Last line made me laugh

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  87. on February 10, 2011 at 6:23 am Gramps

    Re: Sista and sex toys for men and women instead of men and women.

    A central function of society is a transfer of wealth from men to women. This used to be on a one to one basis. Men got sex in return for resources. With our current welfare system, the state takes care of women, and yes, for their basic needs they don’t need men anymore. But, most women have needs beyond the basic. Also, you may have noted, if you live in America, things aren’t looking so good for people on the bottom of the heap (single mothers). For example, the country is bankrupt, and the weather is getting bad, and they are cutting back fuel subsidies, while doing all they can to raise the cost of fossil fuel.

    Since sex toys will NOT pay women for sex, men will still be in demand by many women. The sad part is that so many men are willing to MARRY to get sex, which must be the worst possible option.

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  88. on February 10, 2011 at 6:43 am sid

    @ paul

    ” I am attacking willing enrollment into an organization that hasn’t fought a justifiable war since 1812.”

    Wars are only justifiable if it passes risk reward analysis, wars have never been justified using emotional notions of right or wrong, that’s merely propaganda to give moral superiority to the belligerents’ cause. based on that reasoning most wars in american history are plain dumb (like most other nations), including ww2. 2 big exceptions would be the Manifest Destiny and the mexican american war .

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  89. on February 10, 2011 at 7:01 am sid

    @ whiskey

    1. If we weren’t so interested in cutting off oil supply to Tojo and pose a threat to them, they wouldnt have the incentive to attack us. In fact even Tojo knew it was suicide to attack us and it would have only worked if the war was of short duration. FDR put forth america as their number one threat with his pre-war policies.
    2. Shitler had no means to attack mainland USA, initially he didn’t even consider us an enemy. At any rate he was having trouble in subjugating his conquered territories and fighting the rest of the world minus USA. So forget sending aircraft carriers and long range bombers and actual troops which he didnt have. In the long run, there would likely been a power struggle between the competing forces inside germany and the nazi experiment would have failed just like most elaborate experiments. Unlike Stalin nobody held god like authority in germany, therefore dissension was everywhere, and relative to the soviets security of the regime was poor.
    3. We wouldn’t live in today’s left wing, welfare statist, feminist, gay marrying, female soldiering, gradually mexicanized society if we let the nazis fight the commies to a standstill that would have mortally maimed both sides. And spare the world of communist and socialist influence.
    4. Unlike the american public, FDR was unquestionably pro war and was itching to get involved at the first chance so that america could ascend to it’s rightful place in world politics and fulfill her destiny to promote global goodness which only Fdr and his internationalist buddies were qualified to bestow upon us. He had a large number of communist and socialist backers who were also pro war (under order of stalin), and many of these people were members of his government and large number of the commies were his female backers.
    5. Danger is a part of existence for all life forms, instead of being on red alert 24/7 and looking over your shoulder at all times it would be smart to actually understand and prioritize the dangers that one might face and only take actions against true threats of substance and avoid making bad judgments that create unnecessary enemies who might overwhelm you. Basically arabs are a nuisance at most (we gave them many reasons to get pissed off at us) and a diversion from the true existential threat of domestic hispanicization and eclipse of america by china in economics, technology, military and politics.

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  90. on February 10, 2011 at 8:29 am Z

    @stonelifter

    One of the biggest betas I know is a Ranger.

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  91. on February 10, 2011 at 8:52 am K-Man

    “Also, if she’s a smoker, she’s a pole smoker.”
    Funny, I remember 15+ years ago the first guy who taught me game used to say “if she smokes cigarettes, she loves to suck cock” and I would go “how the hell do you know?” – but I learned fast. So true.

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  92. on February 10, 2011 at 9:54 am Anonymous

    whiskey said (to Paul and Malcom Tucker): “You NEED those military men, out there making sure oil flows. Or your dollars and “wealth” are illusory as Madoff shares. Just because you fly high now, doesn’t mean tomorrow you won’t crash. Alpha guys can be leaders of men repellent and one-itis with women. But still a requirement for civilization to survive, no matter how unsexy they are. Mystery may pick up chicks a lot, but I’d rather have a guy like Dick Winters on my side is Jihad Johnny starts shooting up my neighborhood than some “sexy” guy who is only good at being sexy. Not much help when someone is screaming Allah Akbar!”

    True. And, there are more Alpha males (as in non-PUA varieties) in the military, especially when it involves blowing things up repeatedly, than in regular life otherwise. (It needs warm bodies able to carry and fire a weapon, too… not everybody coming in the door qualifies to be Rambo, as much as we’d really like to have that for combat power.) Nor is Alpha male-ness about display, selfishness and no consequences… such “romance” may catch the chicks, but it’s still posturing without substance (see Douchebags and *sshole game). Just got divorced for neither being a flashy douchebag nor changeable into a Beta doormat. Ex’s already been pumped and dumped by a clod she pines after. (I handle real-world BS easily, don’t take crap from assholes and like cats, but John Wayne would lose out the way things go today.) But, anyway… here’s the obligatory clip about “You can’t handle the truth!” from A Few Good Men:

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  93. on February 10, 2011 at 10:27 am Kyre

    Sista,

    You and all the low-value landwhales can feel free to go off and have a good ol’ time licking each others’ moose knuckles and pining over the idealized dick you wish you could get from an alpha in the form of a piece of plastic.

    The alphas certainly don’t need you, and the betas would be better without your would-be converts. Meanwhile all the girls you envy will keep fucking and breeding with the men who matter.

    Please do bow out of the gene pool.

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  94. on February 10, 2011 at 11:09 am DEI

    While it is true that this OKCupid article is PC nonsense, OKC often produces articles which contain a great deal of useful information pertaining to trends on the website and the results of polls and questionnaires.

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  95. on February 10, 2011 at 11:12 am Paul

    Looks like military worship is still alive in well even in this kitty-corner to the paleo-hbd sphere.

    Sid said everything that needed to be said. Exceedingly militaristic, expansionist regimes simply are not sustainable. You know, we need those Rare-Earth Metals. China here we come!

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  96. on February 10, 2011 at 11:21 am dragnet

    Malcolm Tucker FTW.

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  97. on February 10, 2011 at 11:33 am Woof

    Some troll posts an off topic comment and y’all take the bait. Ignore them.

    Regarding the subject at hand… I can see some knucklehead writing down all the posted questions then on his next date asking them sequentially without context. It’d be an Alice-in-wonderland interrogation. That’d be funny. He’d come across as a total weirdo then be confused when the girls tries to run away.

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  98. on February 10, 2011 at 11:43 am JD

    How many abortions have you had?

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  99. on February 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm blert

    Paul…

    aka script-kid…

    Rare Earths are as rare as copper – they’re everywhere.

    America used to produce about 100% of the world supply. China drastically under cut our prices — so we stopped mining.

    Well, were back to mining again.

    The irrelevancy of military power is something you need to go over with the North American natives, the Aztecs, the Incas, the Romans, the Greeks, the muslims, etc.

    Do propound.

    —-

    sid…

    Hitler always considered America the ultimate threat. He racked his brain WRT how to solve it.

    Then one fine day Werner Heisenberg and his buddies proposed a new weapon that should be able to destroy a city — especially coastal cities like New York and Washington. Hitler blessed them and set them to work.

    Strangely enough:

    “In July 1939, at the urging of physicists Eugene Wigner and Leó Szilárd, Albert Einstein sent a letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt explaining the military potential of nuclear fission and calling for the United States to develop atomic weapons before Nazi Germany did.”

    Leó Szilárd, being the true inventor of the atomic bomb, got his buddies to co-sign since he didn’t have Alpha cred.

    All of which means that your entire thesis is bunk.

    BTW, Tokyo held America in contempt — especially Tojo. Making up facts destroys argument. You don’t get to do that.

    None of the Japanese generals ever accepted strategic defeat. The Emperor had to shove it down their throats with his ‘divine’ authority; after which many a general committed suicide. So much for accepting inevitable strategic inferiority.

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  100. on February 10, 2011 at 12:10 pm epiclolz

    one question that always pops up in my head that I ‘actually’ want to ask is, “do you walk your dog or carry it?” I’m seeing the walk/carry ratio hit close to 50% these days.

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  101. on February 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    “Nice bunkers, are they real?”

    Precision bombs are the negs of alpha nations.

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  102. on February 10, 2011 at 12:16 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    I posted the link a long time ago, showing the relationship of women voting and size of government.

    http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/60.Lott_.Suffrage.complete-25633.pdf

    It is a cruel fate for any society that allows women to have a say in how a nation is run.

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  103. on February 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm Bortimus

    “Want to be an alpha male? Join the Army, make it into a Ranger Batt, deploy to A-stan, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, get blown up by an IED, recover, deploy to iraq, kick in some doors, shoot some hajjis in the face, repeat.”

    Buy a gun (like a boss)
    In my mouth (like a boss)
    Oh fuck man I can’t fucking do it… shit!
    Pussy out (like a boss)
    Puke on Debra’s desk (like a boss)
    Jump out the window (like a boss)
    Suck a dude’s dick (like a boss)
    Score some coke (like a boss)
    Crash my car (like a boss)
    Suck my own dick (like a boss)
    Eat some chicken strips (like a boss)
    Chop my balls off (like a boss)
    Black out in the sewer (like a boss)
    Meet a giant fish (like a boss)
    Fuck its brains out (like a boss)
    Turn into a jet (like a boss)
    Bomb the Russians (like a boss)
    Crash into the sun (like a boss)
    Now I’m dead (like a boss)

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  104. on February 10, 2011 at 1:13 pm The Specimen

    @ Lupo

    It’s not always true. Sometimes it is radically false.

    There’s little in science that’s true all the time. Things much more “concrete” and well defined than evolutionary mechanisms break down under the right conditions (e.g. cause and effect @ relativistic speeds). However, in the overwhelming majority of cases, a species with a diverse gene pool (in the absolute and combinatorial sense) is going to be much more likely to have individuals who can survive the evolutionary pressures du jour to propagate itself.

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  105. on February 10, 2011 at 1:14 pm The Specimen

    @ Bortimus

    It’s a hit. You should holler @ Riff to go record that.

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  106. on February 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm anonymous

    In the past, joining the military was a sure path from beta to alpha, if you survived. The reason was, if you survived and were victorious, you got to claim some of the enemy’s women as slaves.

    But our modern enlightened military doesn’t do that, so what incentive is there to go risk getting your head blown off.

    Iraq would be won if we would let ourt soldiers go in there, burn the cities to the ground, kill most of the men, bring a few home in chains to work in our factories, and rip the burqas off the women and defile them and calim them for our own. This is what alpha armies like Ghenghis Khan’s do.

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  107. on February 10, 2011 at 1:37 pm el chief

    Was the Cowardly Lion Just Masturbating Too Much?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201001/was-the-cowardly-lion-just-masturbating-too-much

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  108. on February 10, 2011 at 1:44 pm Timitz

    ““Since 90% of hot girls from the age of 15 to 29 are liberal”

    Anyone from the southern states completely disagree with this one? Maybe the daddy government D.C. area draws in the attractive liberal women, but I have to say the average score of conservative vs. liberal women in Atlanta and the surrounding southern region is easily 1-1.5 points higher.

    It’s rapidly dying out, but there is still a strain of southern femininity that holds “keeping your man happy” (tug jobs unspoken but insinuated) as high of a virtue as going to church every Sunday. Those kind of women definitely take care themselves and are pretty much always 7s and up. And hell, those kind of traits can really do wonders for a 5 or a 6 as well…”

    I’ll second this. I’m in Florida, and when you get away from the Urban Centers where the northerners move, the Southern Bell is endangered, but exists. There is an unspoken effort to keep those women out of the reach of players, but without more concerted effort, they will eventually vanish. The conservative girls though are the overwhelming majority here, even if they are slowly getting sluttier.

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  109. on February 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm Doug1

    Paul

    Looks like military worship is still alive in well even in this kitty-corner to the paleo-hbd sphere.

    You’re an idiot.

    Blert totally pwned your ass.

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  110. on February 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm That Guy

    @sid said:

    3. We wouldn’t live in today’s left wing, welfare statist, feminist, gay marrying, female soldiering, gradually mexicanized society if we let the nazis fight the commies to a standstill that would have mortally maimed both sides. And spare the world of communist and socialist influence.

    I agree with most of your analysis, however this point is not correct. Marshall Georgy Zhukov was probably one of the greatest generals of all time, that no American seems to have heard of – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov – he was responsible for the counteroffensive at Stalingrad that turned the tide of war in favor of the Russians. The reality is that the Russians, having learned from Napoleon’s debacle, lured the German 7th Army – along with Italian, Bulgarian, Romanian and other armies – 1,700 miles into Russia. At the same time the Russians had destroyed all crops, livestock and building in a huge zone around the advancing Nazi armies. Once they got to Stalingrad – on their way to capture the oilfields in Southern Russia/Azerbaijan the Russians cut the German supply lines and then held out for months, till the Germans were reduced to cannibalism, then attacked and destroyed them, almost to the man.

    After Stalingrad, the Southern prong of the German offensive was no more, the Northern prong had been besieging Leningrad for 3 years and was going nowhere, and the Central prong was then driven back.

    So the reality was that the Russians were defeating the Nazis almost single-handedly, and had the US waited 2-5 more years, the Russians would have had the whole of Europe.

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  111. on February 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm Doug1

    Jack I

    I also disagree that 90% of hot women are liberals. hot women are pro-status quo; they do what’s popular because they go with the winners. In NYC/DC and similar places what’s popular is liberalism, and these women all support abortion and gay marriage (though the truly hot women tend to be mostly apolitical).

    But in more conservative parts of the country, like the South, I’m sure your average hot sorority girl supports Republicans just like Daddy does. Again, going with the winners and the popular.

    Yeah, I think this gets at the dynamic much better.

    Though there is the considerable skewing that leftist propaganda in colleges, especially more elite northern ones, imparts. There’s a good lot of that at better southern universities as well, such as Duke.

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  112. on February 10, 2011 at 2:04 pm Timitz

    @ Redemperor

    “And personal heroism doesn’t necessarily guarantee high grade pussy, though in a just world it would.”

    HEAR HEAR! Buy this man a drink.

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  113. on February 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm john

    Gold! Gold,jerry!

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  114. on February 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm blert

    That Guy…

    Aleksandr Vasilevsky was the General commanding Operation Saturn.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Vasilevsky

    Zhukov was up North with Stalin commanding Operation Mars. It was a push/ or bust — 400,000 Russian KIA !

    Vasilevsky was promoted to the very top and stayed there. At every turn he shunted credit for his campaigns onto another general/marshall.

    The German force was 6th Army — not 7th! Their 7th Army was stationed in Normandy and was destroyed by the Anglo-Allies in 1944.

    The Nazis had Stalin on the ropes at Stalingrad. The Volga was their number one freight route for oil to Moscow. Had Saturn failed the entire Moscow economic zone would have been on severe constraint by the late Spring.

    Stalin told Churchill that the months AFTER Saturn — during the von Manstein counter-attack was the lowest point of fortune for the entire war. The Germans had destroyed so many armies that the barrel was dry.

    Fortunately, the North African Campaign diverted enough tanks ( Tigers ) to stall further German attacks until Stalin had rebuilt his armies. He could do so because he was now getting staggering aid ( via Iran ) from America.

    ALL of his steam locomotive production! Most of his copper, copper wire, rails, rubber, state of the art machine tools, tungsten carbide tool bits ( increased production 7:1 on the same machine in the blink of an eye ) and Hughes Tool rotary oil-drilling bits ( increased drilling tempo 23:1 == massive increases in fuel by Spring )

    So… other than that… at least you got your nic spelled right.

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  115. on February 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm That Guy

    @blert

    In late August 1942 Zhukov was made Deputy Commander-in-Chief and sent to the southwestern front to take charge of the defence of Stalingrad .[18] Later he and Vasilevsky planned the Stalingrad counteroffensive.

    That’s funny… are you claiming that Marshall Georgy Zhukov – who won a medal for the “Defense of Stalingrad” – wasn’t even at Stalingrad?!

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  116. on February 10, 2011 at 3:12 pm That Guy

    @blert

    BTW, I’m talking about Operation Uranus:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus

    “Operation Uranus, postponed until 17 November, was again postponed for two days when Soviet General Georgy Zhukov was told the air units allotted to the operation were not ready”

    Maybe that’s where you got confused 😉

    Zhukov was the architect of the defeat of the Nazi war machine – that’s my point. US assistance helped of course, but ultimately wouldn’t have mattered much, it would just have delayed the inevitable.

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  117. on February 10, 2011 at 1:44 pm Doug1

    Nobody—

    Currently pulling a 7 (closer to 9 when she was younger) wife of a very high end professional. She says that she doesn’t want to leave her husband. Yet.

    ***

    The woman mentioned above is married to a alpha at work beta at home type.

    I think that type is a lot more common in America today than it was three generations ago. I also think it’s more common in America and England than most other countries. Feminist media especially entertainment media, schools and often families among the white middle class and higher are a lot of why. But so too is the English and American version of chivalry, especially now that feminism has stripped it of the concomitant notion that men naturally are and should be the leaders in relationships, and in world of work.

    Boys and men especially from the white middle class and above are propaganized to not be dominant with women, in an endless variety of specific ways.

    I also think that kind of guy can often get way better with women including his own wife if he learns his game principles.

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  118. on February 10, 2011 at 4:41 pm blert

    That Guy..

    You are correct.

    The whole Zhukov at Stalingrad is BS from top to bottom.

    It was put out by STAVKA.

    STAVKA also led everyone to believe that Zhukov was the brains behind the Manchurian push that threw the Japanese back.

    That was a lie, too. Again, it was Marshall Vasilevsky.

    After the war Stalin kicked Zhukov to the curb: sent to the sticks.

    Vasilevsky was promoted to Defense Minister !

    The Russians have printed so many lies that we are still chasing them down.

    No way did Zhukov have the time to go South. He was frantically busy running an operation TWICE the size directly under the breath of Stalin.

    Get it.

    Mars was an attempt to destroy (2) Tank Armies right in front of Moscow. No way is Stalingrad that important.

    There are a TON of fake histories spread by the Soviets. For starters: the bulk of the dying did not occur in or around Stalingrad! That’s right! Everything we’ve read for decades is BS.

    The Red Army took an absolute beating defending the LAND BRIDGE between the Volga and the Don. Entire armies were consumed there. Entire divisions were lost in 2 hour assaults. Total losses — in the Summer only — approximate 500,000 + there and then. NONE of the bloodshed there is captured on film.

    German accounts detail stacks of corpses in front of their machine guns. Literally a wall of flesh. Whereas one army held Stalingrad, it took an entire ‘Front’ of four Armies to hold the land bridge.

    The Land Bridge Campaign is the sole reason that Hitler didn’t romp through Stalingrad: all of his advancing tanks had to swing North to block these insane human wave attacks.

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  119. on February 10, 2011 at 7:41 pm Anonymous

    Bortimus, commenting on stonelifter’s comment about being an Alpha male by blowing stuff then giving a big, long song riff about the insanity/waste of war written by some hippie pothead musician in his 20s…

    Dude, you didn’t have to be so negative/lyrically-challenging for folk… he’s somethinbg better:

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  120. on February 11, 2011 at 3:56 am Alpha Cat

    @ Q.S: I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying to the thread, you know, the part where CR wrote “But what does “simple” mean? Simple-minded, or honest? A complex person could just as easily mean a liar or a laconic mystery man.”

    But thanks for the love.

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  121. on February 11, 2011 at 6:32 am sid

    @That Guy

    Well, it’s true that the russians finally were finally able to stand when they let their better commanders do their job, yet that doesnt mean that the soviets would have rumbled through to berlin.
    1st. Germany still had the best general staff by far
    2nd. The help that the soviets and other allies got was of enormous help and basically made possible to have multiple fronts against germany especially at first when they got everything from rubber tires, clothing to tens of 1000s of fighters and tanks, guns etc etc.
    3rd. the gramsn wouldnt be strained by garrison duties elsewhere which tied down their troops.
    4th. german inddustry would be able to gear up without american bombing campaing ensuring productiona nd supply to the front etc etc.
    5th. better able to focus strategic resources on one front rather than be held back from every quarter in carrying out all out war.

    To be sure the germans still had signoficants weaknesses esp, lack of reserves and logistics problems, lack of heavy bombers etc etc which is why imho i belive based on my own research that it would prolly be stalemate on eastern front or a pyrhic victory to whichever side won in teh east.

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  122. on February 11, 2011 at 7:15 am sid

    @blert

    ” Hitler always considered America the ultimate threat. He racked his brain WRT how to solve it.

    Then one fine day Werner Heisenberg and his buddies proposed a new weapon that should be able to destroy a city — especially coastal cities like New York and Washington. Hitler blessed them and set them to work. ”

    And so did the soviets before alliance with the west, and for that matter every up and coming power. If I am hitler, i would always calculate beforehand what the the sleeping giant with jesus as president is upto cause that will seal my fate either way just like it did in WW1. He had good reason to rack his brain on US plans and he was proven right by events pre pearl harbour where america was basically one of the allied but without boots on the ground and post pearl harbour. Again he wanted to march east because he figured his mortal enemies were jewish bolsheviks not decadent democracies even though he despised democracies.

    You left out the best part about their nuke plans…..it was a dud, they failed at making of a nuke weapon and disbanded their project, and also many other nations were researching into nuke type weapons to varying degree. Now say they had their nuke it seems to me london and moscow, are hella closer and more threatning than new york, and even if they wanted to attack say NY how ould they do it? their production capability were small compared to even the soviets, total german production of afvs during the war was smaller than JUST T34 production in russia is just one example. they would have to build fleets of bombers or come up with icbms technologies that will take too long and would have to compete with 1000 more pressing priorities. So forget it.

    “BTW, Tokyo held America in contempt — especially Tojo. Making up facts destroys argument. You don’t get to do that.

    None of the Japanese generals ever accepted strategic defeat. The Emperor had to shove it down their throats with his ‘divine’ authority; after which many a general committed suicide. So much for accepting inevitable strategic inferiority.”

    All good reasons to enter ww2?!?!?! Tojo despised anybody who didnt listen to tojo, so what? what does it matter if the generals accepot deafeat or not. What kind of argument is that? an opposing viewpoint would be divine hirohoto could have ended the war sooner but was too greedy to lose his ” imperial divinity ” after surrender and chose to fight on till events forced his hand.

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  123. on February 11, 2011 at 6:27 pm blert

    sid..

    The Russians invested zero effort in the A-bomb.

    They got all of their news from their Manhattan spies.

    —–

    Einstein and Co only figured on Germany as the threat. No one at the time disputed that. That they blew it was completely unforeseen by everyone.

    Just the probability that the Nazis could get the bomb first drove ALL American policy.

    The conspiracy to get America into the war included all of the top brass. They met every Tuesday morning with FDR to push matters along. Today we call this meeting the National Security Council — but that is when it got its start.

    I can’t even follow your fulminations at the end.

    Cheers.

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  124. on February 12, 2011 at 3:41 am lifeinlonglegs

    God is a He. Not because I like you, but because He says so here: http://www.biblegateway.com

    For the most part this is despicable. I did like…”Wedding gown…Run.” 🙂 Hilarious!

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  125. on February 12, 2011 at 11:35 am Facepalm

    There is a question in that OkCupid post that doesn’t make much sense. If you want to know whether your date shares the same politics as you, you’re supposed to ask her if she prefers simple people or complex people in her life. By 2:1, liberals prefer the latter and conservatives the former. But what does “simple” mean? Simple-minded, or honest?

    This is a weird objection. “Doesn’t make much sense”? This question makes as much “sense” as the beer-taste question or any other on the list. The correlation is there — that’s as much “sense” as the question needs to make in the context of the study.

    And nobody familiar with polls on conservatives and liberals should be surprised at the conservative correlation with “simple.” No matter who does the poll, conservatives display a much greater need for simplicity, clarity and authority than liberals. So what?

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  126. on February 13, 2011 at 12:53 am xsplat

    No matter who does the poll, conservatives display a much greater need for simplicity, clarity and authority than liberals.

    If you read this book http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ and also read up on the genetic basis for morality, you’ll come to the conclusion that humans have genetic social castes.

    The conservatives are the betas.

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  127. on February 13, 2011 at 1:21 am xsplat

    You may have noticed that a lot of game is mimicking “alpha” behaviors, which for the purposes of this blog means behaviors which appeal to the hypergamous impulses of women. A big chunk of the behaviors is mimicking the behaviors of the cad. The guy with more than one girl, who is beholden to no one, is a risk taker and a rule breaker.

    There is a genetic basis to such a guy.

    The opposite is the authoritarian, who views moral rules as absolute and is a born follower. The guy who views society as more important than himself – the guy who trusts societies rules more than he trusts his own. Bob Altmeyers authoritarians are the born beta class. The policemen, the soldiers, the petty bureaucrats, all those who uphold the social contract.

    It’s a sexual hindrance in the modern age where marriage is a raw deal and the social contract has fallen apart, to be born with the genetic programming of relying on social structures to do your mate guarding. Nowadays the cad has the advantage, because his strategy that is built into his emotional preferences from day one is to pursue higher risk shorter term mating and pair bonding. He’s more likely to either be better at this, or to become better at it, because his innate preferences do not shun impure girls for bonding, and so he’ll get more practice at bonding with various available girls.

    This is the age of the Cad. The authoritarians are now left mimicking the cad, in order to regain advantage.

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  128. on February 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm A WOMAN

    “Is god a he or a she?”

    He: She’s telling you want you want to hear. This is good, it shows she likes you.

    She: Feminist harpy. Pump and dump.

    Neither, there is no god: She’s down for anal.

    *
    This question is culture dependent. Those from the Abrahamic faiths will answer “he” – with the exception of some Muslims who might say “neither”.

    Those from non-Abrahamic faiths might answer with ”BOTH” or “neither and both at the same time” or some other quandry that might be difficult for linear thinkers to wrap their one hand clapping head around.

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