Would you men like to know what happens to your texts, IMs, emails and voicemails that you regret having sent to girls you tried but failed to bang? I have a story to tell…
Scene: House party. Ten people sitting languidly in a living room, drinking and socializing. Seven girls, three men, including yours truly. The girls are all in their 20s, in the 6-8.5 looks range. These girls are not sluts or lawyer cunts. They are, by most objective measures, “good girls”; exactly the kind of normal, cute girls men would be happy to have as girlfriends, and to introduce to mom.
One of the girls, the second cutest of the bunch, is showing her phone to her BFF. Another girl asks what she’s doing.
She smiles broadly. “That guy I broke up with last week sent me a Facebook message. It’s SO sad! But kind of sweet, too.”
“Ooh, let’s see!”, the other girls practically squeal in unison.
Her BFF interrupts, “Did he send this after you broke up?”
“Yes! OK, so I broke up with this guy last week over email, because I’m too scared to do it in person.”
The other girls titter knowingly.
She continues, “Lemme read what I wrote to him first, so you get an idea.”
She begins reading from her phone and quoting her break-up email, which, paraphrased, went something like this:
“Hi there, [REDACTED], I just wanted to tell you that I had a great time with you, but I’m in a place in my life right now where I don’t want to get involved. I just got over a bad breakup, and I don’t have the energy to pursue another relationship. I’m going to spend some time alone for a while. Really you’re a great guy. But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
The girls nod sympathetically. The two men and myself exchange knowing glances. We understand what’s about to come.
Heartbreaker girl taps her phone screen and holds it up for the crowd to see.
“Ok, I’m going to read his reply. He sent this like a day later.”
I interrupt her. “Wait, let me read it. I can pretend to be him.”
She cackles. “Haha! OK, here you go.”
I take the phone. A longish email reply is staring back at me, with a thumbnail of a man’s face appended to it. He’s fairly good-looking, and muscular, judging by his neck and traps.
I begin reading his reply in a trembly voice, imitating as best I can a lovelorn beta. Paraphrased:
“Ok, I’m sorry to hear that. I was hoping we could date a few more times and see where it goes. I think you are really great, and a very special girl, and I felt we had something between us. I definitely felt we bonded on our dates together. Remember that time playing pool? That was pretty funny. But oh well, if you need some time to yourself, I understand. If you ever change your mind, you know where to email me. I’m willing to give it another try if you are. Ciao.”
I finish and melodramatically lay the phone down, heavily sighing. The girls erupt in a gail of laughter and cloying “Awws”. The two men noticeably cringe. One looks displeased that I have joined, shiv in hand dripping the blood of my victim, in the beta hunt.
Oh, what’s that? You expected me to stick up for the downtrodden beta masses? You wanted a hero to show these girls the malevolence of their ways? No, that would not be any fun. I happily participated in the cruel mockery at the expense of this poor niceguy. Laughs were shared and I would do it again. The id monster obeys no ideology.
Heartbreaker girl chimes in. “See, I told you he’s so sweet. I feel bad about this.” She tries hard to contain a chesire cat’s grin from creasing her face, but fails.
I address the group with a feigned seriousness, “Maybe we shouldn’t have done that to the poor guy.”
Heartbreaker girl responds, still smiling, “I know, I feel bad.” The men look uncomfortable, staring at the wall. One guy grips his girlfriend’s thigh tightly. A moment of moral clarity infuses the room, but it doesn’t last.
A girl in the corner pipes up, “But that was really funny! Oh well. It was kinda cute.” Laughter all around.
I continue, “How long were you seeing this guy? He seems smitten.”
Heartbreaker girls says proudly, “We went on three dates.”
I seize an opportunity to subversively impart game wisdom. “You know, my buddies and I have this golden rule we live by. Never send emails to a girl that are longer than the ones she writes to you.” I turn to Heartbreaker girl, “This guy wrote twice as much as you wrote to him.”
A girl practically shrieks, “Oh my god, you’re so right!”
Heartbreaker girl laughs in agreement, “That’s so true.”
There are ways to inculcate women with the truth of game. You just have to frame it as a remedy for a betaboy’s embarrassing failure.
The next time you feel the urge to send a lovingly crafted email or text or IM to a woman who you haven’t yet banged, remember this true story from the vaults of the Chateau. Visualize the hosts reading your email out loud to the guffaws of a roomful of cute girls who soften their laughter with pitying, and faintly contemptuous, hedges about what a “niceguy” and “sweet guy” you are, and…
STOP, CROP and CULL.
Stay your hand. Turn off the spigot of beta diarrhea. Calm your fiery but unfocused passion. Shut your mouth. Delete that fucking ode. Because it WILL, one way or another, one day sooner or later, be used against you in a kangaroo court of amoral soul flaying. If you want to win at this game, there is only one road to victory —
penis in vagina.
No amount of painstakingly composed and heartfelt emails, yearning voicemails, or chivalric IMs emanating with the faint whiff of beggary will ever match in manly will to power the physical act of fucking. That is your trump card, and nothing a woman holds can beat it.
The modern woman, and her women-are-blameless spokesfembots, ask “Where are all the good men?”
Ladies, you get the men you deserve.
Years ago, when I was still trudging through High School, I overheard the group of not-hot chicks mocking guys who tried to get cyber-sex with them and sending pics of their junk without asking for anything first.
Even back then I uderstood tht being the “friend” aka enuch slave of a bitch was a miserable experience.
Still spoke to them and my buddies because the top bitches HATED my guts because I found their bitchiness repulsive.
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Repeat this from the rooftops Chateau.
Give them nothing but what they deserve. Platitudes of “love” diarrhea is always worthless and shall rear its vengeful head on you.
Fun playing pool? Lot of stick and balls going in the wrong direction there.
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Guys, if you want to be sweet and nice to your girl, you can still be a nice guy. Just do it overseas.
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Off Topic (maybe not) but –
Happy Marc Rudov Day!!!
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biggest problem with the site: biased sample fallacy.
I am not buying that those are “good girls” to take to mommy. they ARE cunts, as demonstrated by their behavior. I wouldn’t date them (not hot enough, too bitchy and too old)
in the hinterlands there are lots of good girls… they are in relationships (good girls don’t dump unless cheated upon or he has a substance abuse issue), they have slept with 0-2 men.
Washington DC girls? WTF? perhaps the lowest species of womankind. some women are romantic / idealists and not riven with self-destructive/masochism that makes abusive game cat nip. What type of craven cold bitch would migrate to our grossly corrupt imperial capital.. the new babylon?? not wifey material.
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Avoid messages and text. This is more circumstantial evidence for my long-held belief.
The proper response to her “Not right now” text?
Silence.
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hear, hear!
use the 5 second rule (if it’s taking you more than 5 seconds to type, you’re typing too much)
or simply select from one of the following responses:
ok
haha
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Fantastic post! Hahahaha.
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FIRSTY WIRSTY
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Oops, I guess I’m not first! Boooo!
Hi Roissy! Long time no flirt, eh?
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“there is only one road to victory –
penis in vagina.”
Putting it on my wall!
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Damn good post. Thanks to this blog, I’ve avoided the above scenario recently. This story further confirms that Roissy knows best.
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Proper reply to a break-up text:
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Tits
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NEVER EVER send long texts or E-Mails.
EVER. Especially one that contains your FEELINGS.
If you must communicate those thoughts, do them in person or over-the-phone (but still not a good idea).
That way, if you ever said something stupid that you later regret, you can deny, or better yet, claim she didn’t understand what you really said.
You wouldn’t have long drawn out conversations with the police, would you? Just remain silent.
It really is that easy.
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OT:
Fatherhood by Conscription: Nonconsensual Insemination and the Duty of Child Support
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1761333
Scary legal morass for guys.
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Girlspeak: “Awwww….”
Translation: “You are such a pussy.”
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And that text was not all that wimpy, it could have
been a LOT worse.
And BTW, it is “gale”, not “gail”
Thor
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You know, if these girls were cool, they’d just tastefully delete these embarrassing emails. Again, I blame the movie industry for teaching young males all the wrong moves.
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Girlspeak: That is so SWEEET!
Translation: “You are such a pussy and I would never fuck you.”
Any time a girls says you are sweet, you have just fucked up completely. Cut your losses, run the other way, and never lift a finger for her again. She may in-time forget who you are and accidentally fuck you, if you are lucky.
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It was a poetess who wrote that “all women love a fascist, a brute”.
I’m going to tell my sons:
Be a nice and good man to your friends, your relatives and the elderly and weak. But to sexy young women, be the biggest prick that ever lived.
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It didn’t really matter what he put in the text.
It was obvious that she didn’t like the guy at all after three dates.
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Really, really could’ve used this post as a n00b two years ago. Would’ve spared me this treatment. I can imagine the laughing at me now that I’ve seen this play out firsthand to other poor saps. So true.
But never again!
If y’all only learn one thing here, let it be the Jumbotron test.
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Anything can be used against you. It’s not so much text, email etc…..the problem is the fact that some girls share WAY toooooo much with their girlfriends. The younger the girl the more they have NO clue about privacy nor need it and also any consideration for the guy involved. Take note guys…. If you’re after a young 18-25 yr old crowd (maybe older), get ready for this type of behavior. It comes with the package. What happened to personal privacy? (sigh…..) In this case, I think she shared to bolster her status among her friends… to show her friends that someone can fall so hard for her ONLY after 3 dates. Actually it was more about her than about the guy (poor guy, innocent victim). I guess to be safe, know your girl and mail, text, or not mail and text accordingly. How sad we can’t trust.
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So, recommended responses might be…?
“ok”
“no problem”
“yeah, know what you mean”
“thanks, sometimes I need a push to go look for a girl I’d really like”
“know what you mean, I just didn’t want to be the bastard to write the email – thanks”
“I always feel ugly as a person writing those emails, I’m afraid I was delaying doing it – thanks”
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Best answer would be:
“don’t care”
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“So, recommended responses might be…?”
How about:
Good
sicka u 2
later
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Yes this reply was pretty painful but I expected, and have seen, far worse.
If I were that guy I’d spend time re-evaluating what my beta moves were on the three dates. By the time he got the “breakup” message, it was probably unsalvageable and what he wrote back didn’t really matter.
I think “Ok cool” is the only reply I’d write. Trying to somehow turn it around back on her like you were planning on doing the same thing seems womanish and transparent to me.
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Man I needed this
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oh get bent duxbury. there’s no secret hiding pen where decent women are all scurried away from the masses. bitches are bitches
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“So, recommended responses might be…?”
On second thought:
How about just:
see ya
or even:
gag
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‘K.
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I’ve always considered the ‘limbic decision system’ impossible to overturn.
Hence in all my daze I’ve NEVER attempted to ‘hook back up with’ with any chic in any way shape or form.
A man is either poon qualified or not.
Poon demands fresh talent.
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Blessedly, in nature males are spared a voice box and the humiliation that it’s prone to produce.
Poon begging is is a crime!
If you do it you’ll be doing time… with your hands.
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More generally: chics will ALWAYS discuss their ‘entertainments’ with their mates — no matter how fleeting, no matter how long. These tell-alls are relentlessly porny.
The XX gene set maps an analog memory of astounding capacity: each and every stroke. I’d swear females ‘log the dips.’ Even retarded women are able to recount each position in turn — and make the telling as endless as the Odyssey. ( and with an entirely new outcome for chastity)
They’ve got two holes they can’t shut.
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All of which means that you should Mirandize yourself before pleading to poon.
Any slip ups will kill you on re-cross…
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“A moment of moral clarity infuses the room, but it doesn’t last.”
“She tries hard to contain a chesire cat’s grin from creasing her face, but fails.”
Wow nice one (but not as good as the Lover, Wench, and Cuckold post, that one is amazing). It’s funny and sad at the same time.
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Everything you say can and will be used against you.
Best to say nothing.
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Best answer is no answer. Never give her closure.
Bonus points if you stay facebook friends (with no response) and manage to get pics of you up with a new girl ASAP.
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Do guys seriously send messages like this to chicks?
That’s just way too much to type out, seriously./
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You sound bitter, angry, spiteful, childish, beta, sad, sappy, whatever.
A girl can take anything and spin it.
Absolute best response: None at all. Nothing. Don’t unfriend her; don’t do anything at all. Not so much as one word. If you see her, ignore her or be civil; matter-of-fact, even smiley. But she’s furniture.
This will drive girls nuts. Why did he do that? Did I have no effect at all? Why didn’t he say anything? He’s a jerk. Is he a jerk? Why did he say nothing?
Was it me?
I’ve bedded two women this way after having been rejected. Ignore like a champion. And when I was with them, later, I never explained and remained completely withdrawn.
It drives them nuts.
There’s no good response. The best response is nothing. Nothing at all.
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A simple “fuck you” would have been better, and then ending it on that. At best she’d reconsider her decision, at worst shes spams him with angry texts(to which he ignores).
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“In every corner of the world and in every epoch of history, the men and women of every culture deserve each other. Permit me to call this conjecture “Spengler’s Universal Law of Gender Parity.” Of all the silly plans advanced by Americans to remake the world in their own image, raising the banner of women’s rights has the smallest chance of success. Where men subjugate women physically, women ravage them psychologically.”
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FB24Aa01.html
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You ignore the fact that this might have been that guy’s best chance at nailing her (probably for the first time). She’s set up a rather clear rejection of him. While a Chateau host may have avoided getting there, there’s little he could have done once he received that email of dismissal.
Many a man and woman has agree to drinks/a date/a marriage out of some combination of pity and guilt. Those emails don’t get read at parties.
She wasn’t feeling guilty enough to date him again, but she was feeling guilty. Other women would have given in. Of course, he’d have been much better off having game in the first place, which he probably didn’t, but this is not a terrible Hail Mary pass as things go.
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Thanks – ignore is the way forward
I bow to your wisdom
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obvious response:
“didn’t read lol”
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I feel sorry for all the dudes out there who learn this lesson late.
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Gentlemen, I present to you, the cock carousel.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/burnred/do-not-blow-the-exhibits-281t
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This shows the preselection dynamic. If she was sharing texts with her GF’s that were like, “damn this cat is cool,” then a room full of gina tingles would ensue. The guy would preselected to be spread around, right? This guy basically voluntarily deselected himself from the rest of the group.
I don’t know if our host has any advice on how to be rejected but not spoil the pool selection. Is there a handoff mechanism, “I didn’t like him but he’s cool? You should hang out…”
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I think the best response is either no response or something like “no problem, good luck”
Just act like it doesn’t affect you and she’ll start to wonder.
Right?
This was all female DHV to her friends. I know this from reading this site.
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@gbny
true, but if your response isn’t going to make a difference, then there simply is no need to write anything lengthy. or even anything at all. else you might end up being the poor sap that the girl and her friends laugh at.
the best response is silence. but, if you are one of those people who just absolutely have to get the last word in…then just type ‘k’.
i disagree with ‘ok cool’. it’s basically short for ‘i understand that you were only using me for free dinners before banging other guys and even though you now can’t even stand being in my general vicinity, i’m still cool with that’.
just say as little as possible. be terse and abrupt. better yet, say nothing.
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” we were in a relationship…!?”
Also Game IS Conservatism.
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Maybe respond to the Dear John with: “WTF? We said we were going to be just fuck buds.”
Followed quickly up with: “Oh Sorry!, I thought your first msg was from someone else.”
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The best response other than silence is:
“Who is this?”
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The poor schmuck obviously over-thought his response. Big mistake.
A simple “that’s gay” would have been more than adequate. For in person breakups (does anybody do that anymore?), I always found that laughing in a woman’s face and seeing the look of bewilderment (“WTF?! Oh shit, he’s making fun of me!!”) to be pretty satisfying.
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Beta boy should have sent a picture of his junk instead of a doting break up text.
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Ever since the Jumbotron concept regarding texts, emails, and even voicemails was explained to me, I make sure to always maintain a laconic demeanor when communicating with women. I actually cringe now when I think about how I would try to be open and honest with my feelings and pen massive tracts explaining how I felt about a girl hoping I would win her back only to be met with abject silence.
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Gorbachev: “There’s no good response. The best response is nothing. Nothing at all.”
On third thought, this is absolutely right.
Silence is strength is self-command is Alpha.
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Yet another depresing truth.
When I first started learning game, and had the balls to go for a girl several ‘leagues’ above me, it obviously ended up in me fucking up.
She was a bitch and kept flaking.
I send her an email thinking I was nuking her from orbit. I reread it a few months later, that much more experienced. I actively cringed with the bitter betaness to it.
I’ve been brought up to have manners, so an email saying ‘So long, and thanks for all the fish sucker!’ would make me say ‘Sure, no worries, have a nice life’. But that offers closure. Closure shuts everything down.
Radio silence unfortunately. I hate having to do it, but this is war. And I plan to win.
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I got dumped via email once.
She was supposed to be attending a party I was hosting that weekend. Her email went something like this:
“I know we haven’t spent much time together over the past month but I thought I at least owe you an explanation. I recently started seeing an old friend from high school blah, blah, blah…… If you want to talk about this feel free to give me a call. I still want to attend your party on Saturday if it’s ok. If not I understand blah, blah, blah”
My response:
“Congrats, hope everything works out for you. See you Saturday”
Probably could have hit it one last time when she came back into town for her bachelorette party, but the smug satisfaction I got from leaving her in bed at my buddy’s house that night assured me that I made the right move. Besides, you hit it ten times you might as well have hit it a thousand.
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Any response you give to a break-up email like this one validates her higher value. Gorby is right on this one. Silence. Hit NEXT like she never existed, and whatever you were doing, stop it.
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Hmmm, this post seems to have hit a nerve.
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I disagree with a lot on this site, but this post rang true. I can definitely say that as a girl, a guy saying, “Let me know if you change your mind” will GUARANTEE that she will NOT be changing her mind. It implies that from now until whenever, you are going to be waiting for her, not living your life and dating other women. Which is not desirable.
On the other hand, some of the proposed alternative responses, like “f you,” “oh you beat me to it, I was just about to send YOU a break-up email”, “I thought we were just f buddies” are also really, really bad ideas. Those will tell her that you are hurt and angry about being rejected, and just really over-invested after 3 dates.
I think “ok, cool. best of luck” would be the classy, but not desperate approach.
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Having painfully learned my lessons in the past, nowadays I would opt for silence or “ok” as well. At best, it salvages the situation. At worst, you don’t waste your time and energy on an unworthy chick.
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@sergeantjoefriday,
“That’s gay” or just a simple “GAY” would be my answer too as it is kind of a mind fuck and also DHV, I use this expression so much now girls think I invented it.
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I think game can be reduced to the art form of operating between what appear to be two mutually exclusive ideals.
For example, expressing interest. It seems like the skill is to express interest (it is a numbers game and you have to engage lots of women to have any success), but you have to do it in such a way that is so detached as to have genuine lack of concern as to whether your interest is returned. Seems impossible, but somehow most can remember existing somewhere between these opposites in a successful pickup attempt.
The current post hits on another- expressing love towards a woman without being a needy beta. Being aloof might build some initial attraction, but if you’re really going to move from an attracted acquaintance to someone who will invest her life in you, you have to show her that you love her. But you have to do it in a way that is completely devoid of neediness. The definition of love may seem to make this impossible, yet again, most on here can remember a time where they expressed genuine love without a hint of neediness and how that moved your relationship to the next level.
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@LJ,
That’s exactly why the response should be nothing.
You want an “OK, cool, best of luck.”
Rule: Don’t give women what they want, especially when they reject you.
Don’t affirm their rejection by being bitter or annoyed, either.
You just don’t care.
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John I came closest: either no response at all or a short one.
If you have to respond, two words or less. Personally, I’d go with just “good luck.” It has the advantage of a high-level of ambiguity, and ambiguity is the food that keeps the hamster on the wheel going strong.
It could be interpreted as a genuine “good luck: I hope you can find some semblance of peace with the relationship demons that plague your dreams”
Or, it could be interpreted as a sarcastic “good luck: your transparently lying email is proof only of your extremely unwarranted high self-regard, and you will never conquer the relationship demons, but at least you’ll have the demons and your cats to comfort you in your abjectly lonely spinsterhood.”
The thing is, she’ll never know which one it is. And even as she settles on one interpretation, there will always be a specter of doubt, a splinter slowly working its way into her sense of conviction.
And the hamster will spin on…
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right, because when we guys get dumped, we want to be remembered as that classy guy.
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Wow. This post is spooky since I recently overheard roughly the same conversation this weekend. Only difference, it came from my daughters 13 y.o. friends. They played out EXACTLY this same scene while I was driving them to the fair this weekend.
12 – 13 y.o. boy blows his ‘feelings’ load to one of them via FaceBook and it’s giggles and “awwws” for their peer group on her cell phone. The poor kid doesn’t have a chance. I’d call the kid a beta, but he just doesn’t know any better. Even at 13 he buys the “express your true feelings” line of horse shit. Now his “feelings” are wiped all over cyberspace AND the school.
Gentlemen, teach your sons well and teach them early. If you’re not a father set the example now. What Roissy’s described above isn’t just for 20 – 30 somethings. The age of instant information is upon the next generation, and the boys are entirely oblivious to the consequences.
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Any woman who breaks up with you via email or text does not deserve your time to respond. The whole email was total B.S.
Technology made it acceptable for women to break up with men this way in order to avoid a confrontation.
Just be relieved that she send you this bullshit line that you now know that you don’t have to waste anymore time with her.
Nothing needs to be said, the best revenge is to date another girl prettier then her or bang her best female friends.
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well, I got the “oh I am getting back with my BF,” email breakup after date 3 from nice blonde who liked me enough to you know, get naked. Waiting 3 days with reply email “goodluck,” and then two weeks to do rekindle email, as described on this blog. no go.
Effort, minimal
results, about what expected
loss of dignity, zero.
conclusion: this approach is better than beta meltdown
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Sometimes the prey gets away. That’s inevitable – if after thousands of years honing my food-catching skills a few still manage to get away, imagine how many will escape from something with a lifespan of less than a hundred years.
The proper response is based on the minimum disruption principle. If you’re going to lunge after it, you better make sure you will catch it with that last effort. Otherwise not only you will go hungry, but also you may scare other nearby food after breaking your subterfuge.
And who knows, if you don’t try to catch it, the food may one day think it wasn’t so bad and maybe it wasn’t so dangerous, and you’ll get a second shot at the kill.
If it doesn’t die of old age first of course. The food has truly laughable short lifespans.
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No response or “Who is this?” or “Maria?” or “Do I know you?”
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I like:
“Hahaha fine”
Its condescending.
I do the same when my little cousins threaten to kick my ass.
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The best response is “Breakup??? 3 dates. LMAO. drama.”
It’s really simple. Girls always talk. Use it to your advantage. If you say nothing (silence) you are a chump to everyone in the room cuz the girl will still tell stories of how she broke up with you even if there is no email. Laughter at the thought that you were ever dating her is always the best response.
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Gorb ftw.
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Ok, what if I send long emails, but they are biting satire full of cocky humor that knocks her off a pedestal? I’ve had some success with that over the years, but if it sounds Beta than I’ll stop.
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The first mistake was allowing the girl to dump him. Always dump a girl before she gets a chance to dump you.
We know that 75% of divorces are initiated by women. But women also are the ones who break 80% of relationships in general. The problem is that most guys (Betas) are too scared to end a relationship. Only Alphas have the balls to dump a girl with the confidence they can quickly find another girl to take her place.
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The reply of a king is disdain and ignorance. Just ignore it, no reply, no questions, no feelings. This girl, her companionship, her e-mail and its message are not worth a kings time or interest.
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best response:
“word” or “gotcha”
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Galloway.
You are missing the point. The girl is spreading dissension over your empire. Thus she must be dealt with.
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Silence has to be the response. For those who might say “Yeah, but I need to say something at least to acknowledge receipt” – why? She’ll get confirmation of receipt when you don’t call her for another date.
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or “nigga please!”
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Hi Roissy,
With all this effort put into The Game, why aren’t we players trying to knock up these chicks?
I’m dead serious. Amusement and sexual pleasure only go so far.
I mean, our true goal, the goal of our selfish genes is replication, right?
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Perhaps I’m finally learning. I stopped reading after her email and asked myself what my response would be. Just a year ago it might have been something like the poor beta’s response. Two years ago, it definitely would have been beta sap crap.
Today I’m confident my response would be “ok”.
Some of the other responses I’ve read in the comments are either bitter or try hard. I would never use the “I was going to do this first” angle. Women see right through that shit. And even “whatever” seems bitter, or at the very least like you’re inviting a defensive come back from her.
No, the best way to deflate her ego and make her think she made a mistake is to acknowledge without caring. And that should be your frame. I mean really, how much should you care about a women you’ve seen a few times but not fucked?
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DJDamage
Two can play at that game.
As much as us guys look at getting dumped via text or email as a slap in the face, women take it even worse. My last g/f was acting flaky so I pulled a pre-emptive dump via text. Apparently she was somewhat distraught over the fact that I hadn’t done this in person. Funny thing is her girlfriends got a kick out of it. High five!
Fuck it, there’s no such thing as courtesy in the mating game these days, and if there is, men have no business extending it to women.
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I’m for silence, but an interesting question arises. Posit a counterfactual. Say that this guy had been running decent game with the girl (sounds like he hadn’t, but if he had), never responded to texts or emails quickly, was normally withdrawn and uncommunicative for fairly long periods, was short and authoritative on date setups, etc.
Now let’s say he gets the breakup email, waits a week or two in silence, then texts her a short date setup like nothing happened.
On the one hand, she might think it’s pathetic, interpreting the date setup as “I just can’t accept this, I need to talk about it.”
On the other hand, she also won’t know for certain whether he got the email. Odds seem good that she would presumably text back something like “Didn’t you get my email?”
Seems like the best response to that would be either a simple “yes” or “no” or maybe “yeah, so?” But I’m not foreseeing which would be better. Or if it would even be worth the setup.
What would your opinion be?
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Evil Alpha,
If you think she works against your goals then treat her as an enemy. Stay indifferent on the outside. Work behind her back. Do the damage without anything relating to you. There are plenty of ways, if it is worth the effort.
G.
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HLS,
too complicated. you’re overbraining it.
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Jumbotron rule ftw, always an important one to keep in mind in our day of communication saturation.
I’ve try hard texted back in my beta days, but never have I sent something as bad as what this dude did. Something that has always helped me out in this manner, even in the pre-Game days, was an inability to ever fully trust girls and their motives as well as a dislike of sharing my emotions with them, all of which precluded sending such a self-castrating message.
I’m not sure if these habits of mine fit a Game principle or not, but I think it is a good mindset to have, especially early in the relationship.
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Gorby OTM X INFINITY
When I finished reading this post the first thought that rang into my head was SILENCE is the only option. Tried, true, effective, and as strong as iron. Unbreakable, unbeatable.
All the responses gendeau posted are cringeworthy. Any response can be spun by the woman; ANY RESPONSE, get that through your skull plates people.
SILENCE. END OF STORY.
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I agree with Lion, it shouldn’t really come to the point that she is dumping you in the first place… if she’s getting out of line, either deal with it or dump her yourself.
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Best answer: “Bring the movies”
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Of course the only response is absolutely none.
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ya, bring da movies
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Here is an example of a mildly heartfelt email that is appropriate to send after intercourse. Also best sent after a lengthy communique in which mentions how she misses you/wants to see you, etc.
“I enjoy my utter and consummate possession of every inch of you.”
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My problem has always been the opposite, what to do when a girl you’ve dumped won’t let go. I’ve had girls insist on meeting to give me some of my “stuff” back, usually a shirt, in all cases I tell them to keep it. I had another girl ask for a pair of socks back and again I just told her I’m keeping them, then she threatened to go to the cops and have me arrested.
The biggest dilemma is when sex has generally been excellent, but they’ve got too annoying to keep around, and you leave them a message that they’ve been dumped. Then they call and plead to, “meet for one last time”. This can be very tricky, as on the one hand there will be tears and other emotional stuff, while on the other there is the opportunity of requesting some generally off-limits sex act and having her readily accede. After one such dumping and “last time” meetup, this girl agreed to A2M, but this was a bad, bad mistake on my part, as she stalked me for over a year afterwards.
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Roissy,
I’ve thought it multiple times before, and now I’ll just say it.
You’re full of shit with your “I’m a Lover of women” disclaimers. You don’t “love” women any more than I do. You understand them too well…just like me. So cut out the “love” bullshit.
We both know it’s a lie.
Happy Valentine’s Day!
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Mr. Happy’s Conscious
True.
But more like:
Translation subtext: “See girls, I had him crazy chasing me. I pwned his didn’t make the grade ass. I’m hot.”
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The proper response to that breakup text of hers would be:
Silence.
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Also the notion that she’s breaking up with the guy by not wanting more than a third date w/him mondo self inflated. Of course.
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I’m female, and I still use the jumbotron test before I hit “send”, and always have since before I knew what to call it. I never send anything I don’t want a guy’s buddies at the pub to see because nowadays you have to get to know a guy before you find out whether he has a clue of something like honor.
As far as the quality of girls who would broadcast a guy’s sincere words to a room full of people, I agree with others that this is just what you have in most of the major cities. If you want to meet girls who respect men, you have to move to Utah or something, or leave the country.
Chuck, the difference between getting dumped in person and by text is that the latter convinces her that she was sleeping with a girl. This is why we take such a thing worse.
A breakup in person means that at least one can still see the guy as a man.
See, women, even good ones, are kinda self absorbed. It’s bad enough when we think the guy sucks, but worse when we ourselves feel like fools for dating a guy who sucks cock.
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That Guy…
You got her to over invest in you.
Poon only ever wants fresh ones.
It’s a rare bird, indeed, that will recycle. And you know it’s not going to work out going down that road, either.
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Men must get used to the idea that once the hamster flips it’s time to move on.
This reality is THE reason that you want to have your bitch pen loose and ready for pitching.
No way should any man think of a bag limit on poon.
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I made this mistake, many, many times until I finally caught on only very recently.
It would be very painful to go over and review my past emails/texts/messages if I didn’t recently develop a “I don’t care anymore” attitude.
It’s amazing, that in person I acted way more alpha than beta, but as soon as you put a phone or computer in my hands I turned into female repellent.
Thanks for this, as it confirms the mistakes I have made in the past.
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Oh I see Gorby beat me to it.
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“Ladies, you get the men you deserve.”
Hehe. Gold. Reminds me of a comment from The Spearhead yesterday, directed at feminists and feminism’s effects on the SMP: ” you broke it, you bought it.”
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Do not send anything that can be used against you: e-mails, text messages, love letters–anything that can be printed or xeroxed, placed in a plastic bag with a tag, and held up by an attorney in a court of law — or of peers. They are the DNA that can be used to have SWAT teams kicking in your door, or as this fellow found out, be used for your ritual mockery.
Any kind of serious relationship oriented commo needs to be held to phone calls. Anything else needs to be limited to info on such things as a place/time to meet.
Do not give the other side ammunition for their weapons.
Just another random shot from the trenches.
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indeed, whatever lessons to be learned here, this guy was cut off from further dates after date #3. I guess she realized she didn’t want to see him naked. I am sure there’s more to the story. We all know that her line about a rough breakup is nonsense. Did she attempt to swoop anyone at the house party?
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I like the “no response” response, but I think for maximum confusion I’d go with just “Hmm. Best of luck…” because who knows what Hmm means? Is he mad? Does he care at all? Is he saying “best of luck” mockingly? It’s to the point and likely to make her wonder just how you meant it. And if she replies seeking clarity, then she just lost a lot of hand…
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irony
Yes that’s the goal of our selfish genes. That’s why they wired into our hindbrains a desire to bang attractive young girls, and a lot of them.
Our societies also want us to impregnate girls, but only under certain conditions, like with a marital commitment to help raise and largely support the mother and child.
But OUR goals, especially if we’re alphas is primarily to bang hot young girls. That’s what our wiring is. The rest is what we’ve been socialized to want to do.
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I’m soooooooooo glad I discovered game.
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I wrote that very same not to a girl I’d actually banged on the second date and the suddenly started getting all clingy and beta with.
She just turned it off…suddenly disappeared, didn’t answer my calls. Then one day about two weeks after this “pump and dump” of me by the chick….I got an email….
I have since deleted it, but I can relate some passages or lines that stick out clearly….
“Sad how something so alluring could disappear so fast but oh well”… something like this…..
Girls basically tell you you’re beta…
Then I disappeared for about 6 weeks. She sent me a CHristmas card—well…it was a corporate card, she wouldn’t actually shell out for a store bought one.
She apologized for “hurting” me. Fuck…I cringe as I write this now thinking about it.
I’ve since stopped this nonsense and am usually the first to dump.
It was game that saved me really.
THe advice for this guy would have been from this blog:
1) ignore the email let her wonder if he received it
2) “hey, good luck”
I’ve used teh “hey good luck” for some reason it just enrages chicks who are dumping or distancing or canceling.
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My reflex response to her breakup text:
“Sweetheart, relax, we’ve only had three dates. I wasn’t feeling it either to be honest. No hard feelings!”
Pun so intended.
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@DT….
“”Today I’m confident my response would be “ok”.””
The idea here is right but it’s a mistake to say “ok”….it would give her a free pass for dumping you.
THe best way I’ve used is from here:
wait…
then: “Hey, good luck”
Or….”oh, good luck then”
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Evil Alpha
That’s pretty good too.
Or it would be if she’d said she was breaking up with him in her email to him. She didn’t. She said that to her gfs at the party.
What I like about silence is that in addition to showing indifference and that you have ready other options, it makes her wonder whether her not doing it in person made him think less of her. Girls hate that, as they do not being paid attention by someone they thought they had chasing them, or by someone she’s really attracted to.
So that elevates his value, and might lead to her apologizing for that in person down the road. Which gives him another opportunity to show nonchalance.
The likelihood of him getting her to chase him isn’t high but it’s likely to give him opportunities to show social proof by talking to her some in social settings, and it derails her making fun of him to her gf’s which tends to blow him out w/them too.
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Nicole
Yea, after that she totally thought I was queer.
A month after the breakup a mutual friend told me that she was in a pretty bad car accident the week before. Called her up to make sure she was ok. She suggested meeting for a drink. Two hours later she was naked in my bed.
You women can convince yourselves of just about anything to help repair a dinged ego, can’t you?
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OT, but great article: “The Secret to a Happy Marriage: Do the Dishes, Put Out, Don’t Talk So Much” – written by a woman.
Is reason gaining ground?
http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/02/14/the-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-do-the-dishes-put-out-don%E2%80%99t-talk-so-much/
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“meh” or silence.
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100% off-topic but…Hypergamy 4 Kidz!
I just watched the kids’ show “iCarly” with my niece. The episode was called “iSaw Him First.” In today’s episode the two main female characters have a crush on the same guy, and decide the best way to solve this problem is to date him at the same time. Then they decide it would be cool if the girl who the guy kisses first gets to keep him.
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I’m currently dealing with a similar situation with a prospective team member. My response: silence and then a booty call text @ 2:00 am on a Saturday night. Since then she’s set up a date for this week. I’m planning to cancel the day of the date and tell her that I don’t think the whole dating thing is going to work, and that I’m basically only interested in fucking her. I don’t really give a rat’s ass how it will turn out, but it should be interesting.
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No reply is the best response. Then proceed to hook up with a hotter girl and put pictures on your page.
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Chuck, it is a bruise to the ego when you find out you’ve been dating a wuss. I don’t see how discovering this protects a woman’s ego at all.
Text dumping is like text arguing.
Good on you if you found a woman with so little else to do that she’d shag a guy who dumped her by text. Maybe she loves you. If you got someone to love you despite your girlishness, you’re a lucky guy.
It’s just not the kind of guy I could see doing, but then I’m a fat chick, and we have to have really butch guys dump us to feel like we’ve really lost something special.
Getting pussy dumped just makes one feel like an utter fool…and this is why it is worse.
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“for closure, when were you planning on putting out?”
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Silence is a good response when the girl who’s dumping you via text thinks she’s the only girl you’re seeing.
However, if she knows you see other ho’s, then a pithy line like:
“Have a nice life!” works wonders because they know you actually mean what you’ve replied back to them.
I tried this before and the girl called me back within a week (after dumping me) to check in. She knew I had other chairs to sit on and it bugged her immensely.
Really, there’s no definitive answer because you need to know the girl in order to know whether to reply or not.
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Where are the “good men”?
It kind of irritates me when I hear that question. There is a reason why the men you are attracted to are assholes and not nice. It is because all the nice guys felt the wrath of your bitchiness and all have ran away.
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Chuck, I suppose I should reveal that I’m writing from experience.
Because the world is the way it is, not all us girls have the option of having every guy who sees us want to shag us. It’s really important that the few guys we encounter who don’t just want to use us as discreet sperm dumps have a certain degree of testicular fortitude.
Getting dumped doesn’t feel good no matter how, but face to face means the guy is, at least, not afraid of confrontation. One can go on respecting the guy.
Getting dumped in text, or as it was in my case, online, made it all a lie. The same guy is still trying to get back into my pants, but I can’t. It has been two years, and I have actually tried to be forgiving, but for some reason I tell him it’s way in the past and I’ve forgiven him, but I put obstacles up that I know he will not pass because he is a wuss.
It’s not something conscious to soothe my ego. I really don’t think he’s man enough to do what he’d have to do to get back in my good graces, not because he dumped me in general, but because he did it online.
If he had done it to my face, I’d probably be shagging him at this very moment instead of posting here, but posting here is seriously more fun and more productive than shagging a dude who isn’t a dude.
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Best Responses:
No Response
“Cool.”
“Ok”
“8===D”
My response would be either:
“Srsly? It was three dates, lol”
“Ok” followed by a smirk the next time I saw her.
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@ghiye-
All the “good men” never existed. Scratch that, they do exist: only in the sexually contradictory ego of womenfolk. If they found a “good man”, they’d sooner throw stones at him than love him.
Surrender to the id, people. Our neocortex helped us create lofty ideals like democracy, freedom, justice, transcendence, and love. Which, of course, means exactly nothing when it’s sitting on a house of cards with Charles Darwin’s face on them.
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Continued…
These lofty ideals of eternal love, etc. were created as buffers against the messy reality of our chtonian, Dionysian nature.
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On the contrary, Simple, I believe that civilization is a result of our evolution. It’s just that feminism, like communism, took things too far.
A man can be loving and kind and still be a man so long as he remembers that he is doing a kindness. The problem with too many men today is that they believe the hype and don’t understand that women only live freely by their mercy.
So being the stronger sex in certain crucial surival necessary ways, men should be ready to use their natural authority.
Granted, first they must know that they have it.
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Unfortunately men are too good for their own good.
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Although the “no response” argument is compelling, most girls these days understand what “passive-aggressive” means. An no response (only) is passive-aggressive. And borderline beta.
Fuck her best friend, sister, roommate.
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I’ve been in the postion of being to afraid to break up with a man in person too. I’ve broke up with him over the phone.
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glwt
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GBFM
A hundred plus comments addressing the proper response to rejection from a urinal.
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Not related, but I can’t help myself…hehehhe!!!!
me: “so, what other girl are you hanging around with? ( silently laughing to myself!!hehehhe pretending to look upset with my lips pressed together into thinned out puckered look)
him: “Only one girl?…you mean GIRLS. which one are you talking about?(smirking)”.
me: lips turning upward into a BIG smile!! hahahha!!
isn’t he great!! hahahhahhah!! I love his responses. He makes me laugh when I shit tests him!!! I do it just to get those amazing responses. hehehheh!! lalalalala!!
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@ Nicole
“See, women, even good ones, are kinda self absorbed. It’s bad enough when we think the guy sucks, but worse when we ourselves feel like fools for dating a guy who sucks cock.”
lol!!! Nicole…you’re great! Welcome back!
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Funny enough, I’m looking at possibly having to deal with a potential “break up” text tonight (we’ve just been seeing each other a few days a week this past month, nothing big). I’m feeling like shes been pulling away these past couple of days, but I don’t have enough info to make a confident judgment. I’ve pulled away just as hard, so I don’t think I was in a bad position when I just texted to hang out tonight.
If it does come, thanks to you guys I’ll either be going with the no reply or the “ok, good luck” cause both of these fit the laconic way I’ve been workin it. Anyone other ideas?
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This post illustrates a primary difference between you and I. The point itself is well taken and we’re on the same page there.
But it’s the setting I’m struggling with.
I just can’t picture myself sitting around with a group of girls 15 years my junior (you and I aren’t that far off in age from each other) giggling about boyfriends. Don’t get me wrong, I like the 25 year olds as much as the next guy.
For sex.
But to hang out for hours at a house party with 7 of them? And then gleefully join in their girly conversation? I don’t see how you do it.
I don’t mean that as an insult, by the way. (Although I probably didn’t need to add “gleefully” in the previous paragraph.) You’re a smart, sophisticated guy. Granted, girls in their 20’s can be smart. But not sophisticated. (Today’s post being a case in point.) So it’s gotta be mind numbing. Sex with new girls is great, but at what cost?
Plus there’s always that elephant in the room that I (and with all due respect, you) am “the old guy” who somehow got invited. A guy everybody likes, no doubt, but still “the old guy.”
[Editor: ? I’m not much older than the girls.]
So I’d feel a little weird joining in with the test reading. Amongst my peers, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But in a setting like this, where boyfriend texts are especially giggly and juvenile, it’s a fine line between fitting in, and trying too hard to fit in.
[When was the last time you hung out with 20-somethings? Nobody can beat them for “trying too hard”.]
Again, I’m not trying to insult you. I’m on record here and elsewhere with my respect for your talent.
But it does get me thinking. I think this speaks to one advantage of marriage. The parties are better. I may not be taking a 25 year old home with me after a dinner party with other couples we know, but the conversation will be a lot more stimulating. Life is about more than pursuing the next lay.
[The sophistication of conversations with older women is *highly* overrated. The deciding factor isn’t age, it’s smarts and wit.]
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Interesting…
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Silence is the only option. A reply only shows her that you think that she deserves a reply. She doesn’t.
And given the monstrous power of the hamster, she’ll interpret your witty or blase retort as the cry of a broken heart.
If you’re thinking of seeming cool in het eyes, post breakup, then she still has a hook in you
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Nicole,
Reading over the comments of Roissy’s articles is always half the fun for me. Funny thing is that although I like that this blog is for the most part guys “telling it like it is” to one another, I typically find myself scanning the comments for female names. Reason being that, if a woman finds herself on here, she probably has more than half a clue regarding the often twisted nature of modern dating, as well as the fact that modern women contribute their share to the madness. Comments from women here are interesting to me precisely because, to be commenting, you’ve waded through all the “fuck all bitches” type comments but usuallly still say something that’s insightful and polite.
All of which is a roundabout way of saying that I enjoyed your comments and your candor. Be well.
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I’ve failed to live up to this maxim numerous times, but men should exercise far more restraint than they currently do when expressing emotion, or at least learning to keep certain things behind the appropriate closed doors. One poignant statement I read recently was “a man’s emotions are most seemly when hidden”. People didn’t even linger over bereavement that much back in the fifties. It hurts, but so does vigorous exercise. My father is a model in that regard, for he had a traumatising childhood yet emoted far less at my age than I do about smaller things.
Society has become increasingly neurotic as it relinquishes cultural mores about what makes a man specifically. The whole encouraging men to be more open about their emotion sounds like some massive collective shit-test from womankind instigated by feminism, the obvious intention being to reduce the leg-work required for women to estimate men.
On that topic, I swear for evolutionary reasons that us men do not enjoy crying, at least not publically. Tears break the veneer of masculine stoicism and it feels humiliating. Of course it’s dependent on the culture but that’s pretty much applicable in Northern Europe.
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If I were to stick up for the idiot who wrote the message, it would have been out of hatred for those worthless whores, not concern for the guy.
I just hate so much.
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Nicole-
It has nothing to do with “testicular fortitude”. You were hurt that he didn’t care enough to take half a day to drive across town to sit down and tell you “It’s not you, it’s me”.
The whole “if he isn’t man enough to tell me to my face he must have a vagina” thing is nothing more than you trying to save face, to yourself. Unless he truly was a wuss, in which case the online dumping thing was just the icing on the cake.
Another thing that might be at play here is your level of attractiveness. You are forced to play on a different playing field than more attractive women so you have evolved different protection mechanisms when something doesn’t go your way.
The chick I dumped via text was porn star hot. If I were to post a couple of her modeling pics you would accuse me of lying. It doesn’t matter how you kick the pedestal out from under a chick like that- she’s going to be thinking “What’s WRONG with me for him to dump me?”, not “There must be something wrong with him if he didn’t have the balls to say it to my face”.
In other words, you can’t score a goal while playing defense, dear.
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Riff there is no difference in intellect, maturity, or anything along those lines between a 25 year old woman and a 35 year old woman. They are both in the endless “now” obsessed with the Kardashians, text messages, Snooki, Teen Moms, glittery gay vampires, and the like. Both are dumber than dirt, almost without exception.
A stupid woman of 25 does not age into smartness. She will age out of hotness. And become more jaded. And icky cougar-like and so on.
Therefore there is no difference between younger and older women except levels of hotness. Maturity, intelligence, anything else? Nope.
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I watched a terrible date go right last night as a gentleman left the scene o the rendez vous. She showed very little interest in him the entire date and he finally called for the bill. I heard, “we’re splitting the check?! I wish you had told me.” I saw him think, “trecherous ho” as I heard him say, “take it easy,” as he turned around to leave. That’s how an alpha fails. Leaving his date waiting for her bloated check.
[Editor: Don’t you mean “that’s how an alpha succeeds”?]
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That’s a pretty salient post Roissy. In a way, you hope this guy finds his way to the chateau and reads this post for himself (if it’s more than allegory). You reap what you sow. Sentimentality is for the weak, Cobra Kai!
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Good post, hopefully real even.
Wrong conclusion as usual.
The only way to win this game is NOT to play.
Though I agree, women SO deserve men like you Roissy.
Glad I never had the misfortune to experience and get addicted to your particular way of flashing my brain with Endorphins.
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College Slacker-
After a month of casual dating if she isn’t moving forward you can be assured that she’s getting the pipe from someone she likes better than you. If you sense it going down the tubes you might want to consider giving her the axe. It will allow you to retain your dignity AND it keeps the door open.
Riff Dog-
Women are women are women. After they realize the power of the vagina they are all essentially the same, 25, 35, or 55.
Also, if you are in your 30’s or even 40’s and feeling like the “old guy” when you are in a room with 20 somethings, you are doing something wrong.
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That’s a pretty salient post Roissy. In a way, you hope this guy finds his way to the chateau and reads this post for himself (if it’s more than allegory). You reap what you sow. Sentimentality is for the weak, Cobra Kai!!
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“k, no hard feelings.”
Like someone already said, be polite, but distant.
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Whiskey is correct: women age like milk.
The typical 60-something will still be chattering along as if the last 40-years did not happen.
When girls get together to chat their time horizon extends into the present, the barely past and the most immediate future.
Deep time and deep thought are alien to normal females.
If you find yourself in that deep zone you’re low on estrogen.
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Also, let’s reverse the genders of the dumper and dumpee. I think it’s a dude (well give him an 8 on the alpha scale) who got naked pictures of a chick that looked 8ish with clothes on but had weird tits or something, giving her 6 status (banged-haven’t-banged status is irrelevant). Does 8 show his friends the pictures and laugh? Yes. He most certainly does.
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Lara,
I just boinked a 21 year old, and I agree with Whiskey whole-heartedly.
Cheers
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“Stay your hand. Turn off the spigot of beta diarrhea. Calm your fiery but unfocused passion. Shut your mouth. Delete that fucking ode. Because it WILL, one way or another, one day sooner or later, be used against you in a kangaroo court of amoral soul flaying. If you want to win at this game, there is only one road to victory –”
it’s shit like this that keeps me coming back here.
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I was disagreeing with his assertion that women are dumber than dirt without exception.
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I think the best response is one that calls her on her bullshit move of doing this by email, and shows disinterest
“Classy move”
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Rejection by text is gutless and pathetic. Best response is silence, “gay,” or “good luck,” in that order, and is best followed by a new chase. This kind of girl merits nothing but indifference or a careless backhand.
Let the sting of rejection steel you, not heel you.
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Prof
Or just “classy,” and avoid the whole “move” drama frame.
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I was talking to a 21 year old girl who told me she’d fucked 25 guys. Only one of those was a relationship, which ended when the guy dumped her on vacation, and told her he never cared for her the whole half a year or so they were dating.
She told me she was lonely, disliked herself and hated how these guys treated her, fucking her then just leaving. I told her she needs to change the type of guys she goes for if she wants a different outcome. She told me she can’t because that’s her type and she’s “attracted to them”.
Says it all really.
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agree with whiskey.
i live in berkeley and hang out with undergrads and grad students both. age-range 22-35. there is minor differences in the substance of their interests and convo. in fact, i would say the differences are that the older women are more boring and more pretentious about the same overlapping interests.
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I asked a girl out last yr, I had my eye on her for a while but was in a relationship/
She initially said yes.. 3 days later I texted her asking when she wanted to catch up and she replied with some crap like “i’ve actually been seeing this other guy etc. etc.”
i replied with “fair enough, take it easy”.. Looking back i should’ve either
a) not replied
b) said something along the lines of “damn, i really wanted to bang you”
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I don’t think there is a difference in maturity between a 25 year old woman and a 35 year old woman either, although they may be at somewhat different stages in their lives. Both of them are adults.
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If you’re married, any girl over 30 is your sister.
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the differences between women after the age of 22 i would say have to do with the “class” or “type” of women which is something that defies age.
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So, recommended responses might be…?
Nothing. At. All.
Next her.
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A simple “fuck you” would have been better, and then ending it on that.
No, that gives her the upper hand…a “justification” for dumping him in the first place.
“What a fuck-head. I did the right thing tanking his ass.”
No. Silence is golden.
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Only difference, it came from my daughters 13 y.o. friends. They played out EXACTLY this same scene while I was driving them to the fair this weekend.
Which goes to show that a 21 year old is more physically mature, but not emotionally more mature than your average 13 year old.
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Ok, what if I send long emails, but they are biting satire full of cocky humor that knocks her off a pedestal?
Is a girl you’ve have only three dates (and probably paid for) and never got your wick wet worth a long email?
They aren’t even worth a short IM.
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Best response after silence, “Your friend was kind of cute, how about hooking us up.”
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Then they decide it would be cool if the girl who the guy kisses first gets to keep him.
I’d hold out for the blow-job, at least. Perhaps both of them at the same time…whoever makes me cum first can keep me.
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@Nicole………Getting dumped in text, or as it was in my case, online, made it all a lie. The same guy is still trying to get back into my pants, but I can’t.//
That is what women like you pretend. He must be some asshole who would be looking forward to bang you! Perhaps in his nightmare! Self-realization is necessary for Nirvana!
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Third best response, “My balls are itchy.”
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Nice story. probably true.
i presume you took liberty with transcribing the details of that text. otherwise you must have a photoraphic memory. besides, the girl text grammar structure is off. both textmails sounds like they were written by the same person.
that said, we’ve all seen this kind of behaviour with girls before.
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I agree with others. The best response is silence.
Even in person, just act like you barely heard them. I remember this girl I was casually seeing asked me out for breakfast one day to tell me “she couldn’t see me anymore”. As she went on with her excuses, justifying her reasoning, I continue to mow down on my delicious breakfast while staring more at the tv. I simply nodded. I didn’t address the issue with words. This girl has since come back for more and I usually put off her frequent advances as long as possible.
Options always help in responses like this, but if you don’t have options, at least act like you have them.
I hope he at least banged her, given it was only three dates. I’m guessing he never reached that point if she ended it after three dates. Or he was terrible.
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One more thing about the Internet is that it allows for men to share these stories. A picture emerges of AW being essentially dysfunctional. The mere fact that one needs Game to deal with AW says a lot about the shortfalls of too many AW.
No wonder the Pentagon sees the Internet in terms of CyberWar: because it is a front for the war between the sexes, and men are winning on it!
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So true.
I love it when someone sends me a long email or a long text and I reply with “ok”
A few days ago someone gave me a critique on my writing that I didn’t ask for, but she felt inclined to send me because she felt like I was a better writer than her, and somehow that seemed impossible. She was sort of persuading me that I should write more like her, so she sent me a 6 paragraph essay as to why I should write differently.
I replied with:
okay. that’s fine.
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Her breakup text is an indictment on how he fucked up the opportunity to game and/or fuck her within three dates he had with her.
His repsonse is the evidence that proves what a chump the guy is.
The only facesaving comeback from her text is silence.
Delete her number and all her texts , wake the fuck up , learn from the experience and vow to improve your game.
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The only time the term “Good Girl” should be used is when she is sucking your cock or swallowing your load; used in the context of this Chateau story, it’s an Oxymoron.
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“But to hang out for hours at a house party with 7 of them? And then gleefully join in their girly conversation? I don’t see how you do it.”
My guess is he’s an extrovert. Probably ESTP.
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I’m surprised the Chateau didn’t get the particular woman above to explain what kind of response she and her friends would have respected and what the real reason was for her not wanting to see him again (admittedly, it’s fairly obvious based on his sappy response but a lot of non-sappy guys get flaked on by 18-21 year olds).
In non-feminist countries, it’s entirely appropriate for a man to ask any given woman how long she feels her sexual market value will last (as long as some is obviously still there). The Chateau could have directly asked this young woman that question in front of her friends.
Often, a non-feminist woman will describe that it’s precisely because she feels her looks will fade fast that she doesn’t want to waste her time with a beta, which is usually described as a man without charisma, moxy a sense of humor, too needy, etc.
Unless she’s right about the guy being objectively a beta, it actually works to say to a non-feminist woman “You’re not really in a position to reject what you think is a nice guy when the opportunity to marry a nice guy is likely to not happen again or happen only 2 or 3 times more.”
That’s the theme of the post. The whole point of the post is that this young woman is going to get what she deserves, which is likely NOT going to be a nice guy (it will be an alpha who dumps her when she ages).
And, believe me, if the guy above had written that in his text, she would NOT have laughingly read his text to the other girls and the Chateau and his friends.
He could have summarized the theme of this post in a sentence and she would NOT have laughed and shared.
And, in a non-feminist country, that might have started a text argument that would have lead to them continuing dating. I get into text arguments with 19 year olds all the time. Flaking is often just a shiite test to see if the guy can argue his way out of a paper bag.
I realize that feminism has made it “uncool” for a man to state the obvious, such as discuss the difference in shelf life between men and women.
But Chateau readers shouldn’t be worried about what feminists think is “uncool”.
Having said that, I would go silent if a woman older than 22 wrote the above. I wouldn’t care to state the obvious.
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Big jaw, big slut. Confirmed, once more.
http://www.usmagazine.com/healthylifestyle/news/olivia-wilde-pal-on-split-she-wants-to-sow-her-wild-oats-201182
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I was chatting with a girl on an online website.
At some point, she says “You’re just not my cup of tea…”
I pause….
Then I replied…
Me: “Glad you said that…”
Her: “Why?”
Me: “I just saw your age, 35, actually I’m actually looking for someone younger, good luck”.
Her: Where you from?
Me: Sorry, I generally don’t chat with women over 29.
Her: Maybe if I knew you better
Me: silence…
End of conversation….
Flip the switch.
That guy should have run zen game on her. Picked out some trait of hers and ran that.
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Anything you share with a women will be transmitted to everyone she can profitably tell. Women bond by trading secrets with their friends. They elevate their status in the group either by exposing more cringe-worthy details or details about more important people than the others expose.
“I’m not a gossip, I was just talking to my girfriend, sister, mother, tool booth attendant, store clerk, pen pal, Congressman, bus driver.”
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THIS IS AN ALPHA BREAKUP.
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Good post.
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@Doug 1.
Or it would be if she’d said she was breaking up with him in her email to him. She didn’t. She said that to her gfs at the party.
If you assume she was paraphrased properly by our host. She did indeed write such a letter.
See quote below.
.“Hi there, [REDACTED], I just wanted to tell you that I had a great time with you, but I’m in a place in my life right now where I don’t want to get involved. I just got over a bad breakup, and I don’t have the energy to pursue another relationship. I’m going to spend some time alone for a while. Really you’re a great guy. But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
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I agree with one of the early posters who said that these are NOT good girl’s – they’re worthless cunts.
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Scott, so true – I’m gonna copy and paste your message into my collection of “truths to keep in mind” (seriously).
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Fox News proving it wants American “conservative” males to be White Knighters:
It says Berlusconi’s been indicted by a female judge for sex with a 17 year old “girl” and later refers to this as “child” prostitution:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/15/italys-berlusconi-indicted-prostitution-probe-1656064172/
Berlusconi will be up against a 3 female judge panel in his trial starting in April.
One of those judges will be the bitch that just indicted him.
This, by the way, is why I’ve argued before that it’s entirely wrong for anyone in the PUA community to find any excuse at all to condemn paid sexual activity.
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Re: Berlusconi Indictment (we need a Chateau post on this)
Admittedly, Berlusconi had no business paying ten thousand dollars for sex.
That was a crime.
But he should face a jury of his peers for paying beta prices, not a 3 female feminist judge panel like he will now face starting April 6th.
Note that he isn’t even being accused of conducting a transaction with a professional, but for a private agreement in a private relationship that was between him and her.
His only defense is going to be that he didn’t have sex with her and the feminist judges can go shove it if they have a problem that he gave her gifts.
The idea that a woman can be above the age of consent but illegal to give her money is off-the-charts outrageous.
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A girl I was dating a while ago sent me a break-up email. I was surprised since I thought things weren’t that serious between us. I replied back with a simple “Happy trails.” I didn’t know what else to say.
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It’s nice to know this blog has a shelf life. Probably right around when your erect penis has a 45 deg angle to your abdomen.
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Hunt,
That was bad, but funny.
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– Nothing you say or do will be kept between you and a woman, unless it makes her out to be a slut.
– if she end it via email or text don’t respond and if you meet her in public treat her as you would a neighbor..
oh hi
hey how you doin ?
good, good
well i’ll see you later
ok bye
You got her email/text and you know whatever happen between the two of you can’t be saved, so why bother responding at all ? or responding with anything more than a “ok” or “alright then” ?
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Many college students live via text messaging and often cannot communicate any other way, even not in person all that well, or as well. It’s mentally disturbed, but it’s a modern reality. They can throw out shit tests begging for a text argument to follow (voice conversation not allowed).
Silence is best for this type only because this type is not worth dealing with if over 21 and below a 9, but the 9s and 10s between 18 and 21 are well represented in this group of text shiite testers, making it hard not to sometimes play their text argument game.
Although it would be like taking up someone else’s losing position on a chess board (operating without the queen), any number of guys here could take the above woman’s text and run with it.
Let’s take the phrase “I don’t want to get involved”.
Now the Chateau can confirm if possible whether the woman had said there could have been any response this particular guy could have made that would have gotten her hamster rolling a different way, but there are assumptions in the “I don’t want to get involved” comment that would be easy to put to rest in any number of ways.
I’d take that kind of gambit in chess. That’s not even remotely the “Don’t text me again or I’ll call the police” type of statement.
Here’s an example of pulling text victory from the jaws of defeat:
I once told a seemingly nice guy in a bar about the Chateau philosophy and then politely introduced him to a 9 and her friends whom I’d just met. I did this because he was a lonely guy with few social skills. I’d done him a big favor. He knew I’d taken the phone number of this woman and I just assumed that he’d be loyal enough to me not to hit on her or at least undermine me with her.
But no good deed goes unpunished.
He fell in love with her, the only woman who’d spoken to him in years, and tried to compete (turn her against me) by explaining what I’d said about alphas and betas and pump and dump, etc. She listened intently to everything he had to say about me.
You can imagine the text I got from her when I tried to call her the next day.
It was along the lines of “Go to Hell where you can manipulate other women but not me, ever”.
That was a lot worse starting position than “I don’t want to get involved now”.
This was like starting a game of chess without the queen, both rooks and both bishops.
But, via a stream of texts in a back and forth argument, I somehow got her interested in meeting me again (we later spent a weekend at the beach).
I started by getting her to agree (all via text and none of it in english) that the other guy had been a coward with no social skills who had seriously betrayed me and wasn’t worth her even taking what he said too seriously. I insisted that she at least agree to that and a text came back saying “Agreed. He did betray you in order to get me. That was underhanded and I won’t be meeting him again if that’s what you’re thinking”.
I then explained that he had “twisted my words around” and she answered “how was telling him to lie about his age twisted around”. I answered that, for an ugly old guy like him, he’d have no choice but to try to say he was younger, “but I wouldn’t have to lie would I”. That was a logical, albeit dishonest, answer to her emotional question. In other words, she wanted to engage in an argument by text and I obliged her. I gave her the answers she needed to read in order to like me again.
Granted, one can say that I actually was NOT starting from a tougher position than the guy in the above Chateau post. I was starting from the position where she knew I was a cad, where I’d admitted this to another guy who’d spilled the beans on me, and she still ended up with me. One could say the other guy ultimately did me a favor because a cad was what she ultimately wanted (and the kind of beta who would spill the beans on another guy was the opposite of what she wanted).
But I still only prevailed because I engaged in a text argument.
Just don’t bother doing this with anyone over 21 who should be able to pick up the fucking phone and talk like a normal human being.
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@william
You got her email/text and you know whatever happen between the two of you can’t be saved, so why bother responding at all ? or responding with anything more than a “ok” or “alright then” ?
Silence works if you are visiting another state, but that shit does not fly in your own back yard where you have a image/reputation. Being known as a “chump” is not a good thing… which is exactly what will happen if a girl is telling everyone how she broke up with you.
But hey if you are into having this 1 girl close not just her legs, but the legs of her 6 girlfriends then by all means bite your tongue.
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Read walawala technique and learn. Never ever let a girl think she is breaking it off from you.
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@jerry
the part of the email that was the death knell for the guy in the original story wasn’t ‘i don’t want to get involved’, but rather ‘really you’re a great guy’. translation: the gate to my vagina is closed to you for eternity.
about the situation you were in, was the guy simply someone you met at the bar, or a friend? if the former, i would never expect any kind of ‘loyalty’. especially when he is lonely beta with no social skills and he is introduced to a 9 who would never have otherwise noticed him, much less talked to him. treachery is to be expected.
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If you got other chicks you are banging, then it doesn’t matter what you respond with.
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@itsme
You are correct. Lesson learned. I’d just met the guy who was an American tourist.
He didn’t deserve my help.
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I’m going with “ok”. Just like that. No caps, no punctuation, no anything else. Bonus if you can reply with that within 30 seconds of getting the original break-up email.
Show you have casually processed the break-up, replied with the bare minimum, and moved on – all within seconds.
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I have been rejected thousands of times in my life. I am a salesman!!!
Rather than get pissy or take it personally, I just thank the person and go on to the next. It is well understood by all good salespeople that rejection comes with the territory. In one sense, the more times I am rejected the more succesful I am. I know this because if I have to kiss 7 frogs before I get a princess then I just start kissing more frogs.
Succesful sales people rarely succeed because they are better sales people. They almost always succeed because they are better at prospecting for business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A mediocre salesman with a good source of potential clients will be far more succesful than a silver tounged devil that does not have quality prospects. (now a great salesman who can prospect is a true alpha).
This is why in sales, “nothing succeeds like success”. Prospects can sense when a salesperson is desperate or nervous. But a salesman that has an unending stream of prospects is never desperate to close a sale. They know that even if the jerk who is in front of them does not write a check, the next guy will and the one after that. People are lucky to work with me, not the other way around.
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@Woland
Never a truer word spoken!
I worked as a door-to-door salesman in college in Ireland and it was truly an eye-opening experience! On days when I was tense of worried about something, I just didn’t sell, people could sense or smell it.
Over the course of months I got to be very good at selling, and very relaxed talking to all kinds of strangers. I would roll up to houses on Saturday mornings and talk to women in various states of undress. I remember one time the house I called in on had had an overnight party, and most people were either crashed on the floor or making out in a corner. I went into this chaos of about 30 people, sat on the floor, had 3 beers, talked about goofy shit, then sold to 17 of them before I left?!
The key to being a great salesman is persistence, letting failure roll off you “like water off a ducks back”, dwelling on the positive at all times, being enthusiastic…
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But that’s not what I’m saying. I don’t seek out groups of older (or younger, for that matter) women in expectations of sparkling repartee. My point was that the overall level of conversation with peers (men and women) closer to my age is better than with a bunch of 20-somethings.
Seriously, how many times can you listen to a story that starts with the words, “This one time we got so drunk that . . . “ Or a story involving, “OMG! Look at this text this guy sent me!” Compare that to a party with other parents from my kids’ school where people there will own companies, or direct movies, or just have done interesting things in general. No offense to my young friends, but this party is going to be more fun.
To be clear, give me a choice between banging a 25 year old and a 45 year old and I’m gonna choose the 25 year old. But my comment had nothing to do with that. It had more to do with what lengths I would go to to nab that 25 year old. Call me a snob or call me obsessed with my image, but hanging out at a party where I’m 15 to 20 years older than everyone else is a loooong way to go in the pursuit of tail.
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Well, if “awareness” is doing something wrong . . .
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Best response: Ha! Oh well. Best of luck to you
Not responding, or responding with “ok” is too passive. I think you need to give an affirmative indication that her rejection has not at all shook your frame, positive orientation, and lack of concern for your own emotions. You might tinker with my suggested response above, but I think ignoring or being obviously curt is too revealing and makes you look hurt, pissed, or trying to be aloof.
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“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“Is this Suzy?”
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“Should I delete you from my booty call list then?”
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“I guess a threesome in Oahu with my friend Peggy is out then.”
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“”This” isn’t happening? You think too much, babe.”
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“Ok, but let’s fuck once to see if we should be fuck buddies.”
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“What?” followed if she responds by “Huh?”, followed by “Could you rephrase that?”, followed by “Yes, wear the red one.”
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Usually they just walk out on me.
I’m getting quite used to it.
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Guys shouldn’t engage in text message / e-mail break ups. Unless a woman calls or tells you in person, it should be completely ignored. Women are emotional and flighty, texts and e-mails are just receptacles for those changing feelings.
Dumping over text/e-mail is one huge shit test. Don’t even stoop to that level.
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I’d like to share:
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@riff dog
Well, if “awareness” is doing something wrong . . .
being aware is one thing….being self-conscious is another. self-consciousness stems from insecurity, and women can sniff that out in an instant. once they’ve done that, you’re screwed.
if you keep thinking to yourself ‘i’m too old’, ‘i’m trying too hard’, ‘what are they thinking about me’, etc., then those thoughts will be reflected in what you say and how you act. they will pick up on it, you will realize that they’ve picked up on it, and you’ll become even more self-conscious.
it’s all about your mindset.
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Even now, as I continue my ascent from the depths of betadom that I let myself fall to post-teenagehood, if I hear the “awwww” or the “you’re so sweet” then I shudder inside like a vampire exposed to a crucifix. It serves as the equivalent to a choke chain used on a dog being trained. I know immediately to never repeat whatever it was that spurred the sexless sentiment from the woman I’m talking to. Over the past year or two the blunders have lessened in frequency, and it is my goal to never again have “sweet” be among the first five words girls use to describe me.
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Win.
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I must say, this is an important post for the Chateau. I would put this among the basic must-reads for those who have just taken the red pill.
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@ Evil Alpha
Your approach reflects a scarcity mentality.
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Not awareness of what *they’re* thinking. I meant awareness of what *I’m* thinking. As in, “What has my life come to that in the interest of getting laid, I’m sitting here listening to the same inane conversations I listened to 20 years ago in college?”
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve made all sorts of sacrifices to my self pride in the interest of chasing tail. I still do, in fact. And if I see a 25 year old at a bookstore or a bar or wherever, I might make a run at her. But going to a party where I’m 15 to 20 years older than everyone else is different. That’s where I have to take a look at myself and decide if this is the guy I really want to be.
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This was a group of females shit testing a group of men. They knew it would make the guys in the room uncomfortable and did it to them anyway. Playing along was a good start, but there should’ve been some kind of follow up to fuck with thier heads.
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@BDS
Your approach reflects that you don’t understand social proof in the digital age… or maybe you just prefer to swim upstream? Go read the next post and learn something.
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@riff
i see what you’re saying. i think where i differ from you is that i have little in common with my peers (30’s), so i don’t feel like i am missing anything by socializing with people younger than me instead of them. also, being an introvert means that socialization is not my default mode; it is something that i need to switch on and takes substantial energy to sustain.
so when all is said and done, it makes little sense for me to make the effort to socialize with my peers. i simply have little to gain from such interactions.
it sounds like you’re the opposite, and that you’re seeking a balance.
maybe it will help if you think of it (tolerating inane conversations with 20-something clunge) in terms of a temporary adaptation to the environment to get what you want, rather than the environment permanently changing you.
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Riff Dog,
Keep talking like that and I’m sure you can nab whatever you want! ha! seriously! wow!
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Thank you what and Roger. I like to think I’m doing some good here, even if it’s sometimes just comic relief.
Chuck, you may have a point that since the girl was porn star hot, she was more tolerant of being dumped from a safe distance. I’d explain, but you’d just take it as an insult. I’ve learned some folks don’t like the truth, and I still have a few kilos before the sheep will be able to understand what I’m trying to say without assuming that I’m a jealous fat chick. At the moment, I have to tape a photo of myself at 20 for guys to understand that I am not a representative of the fug.
You and apparently the lawyer guy want to be able to justify whatever you do as the manly thing, and imagine that hot girls are hanging on your every word, but it’s just not so. A 4 or maybe even a 5 who is not very pretty but just skinny, maybe. Another guy wouldn’t be as tolerant of her smell or manhands or the fact that she’s shagged half the guys in town.
…but I, a woman who many if not most guys posting here believe to be the ugliest woman on Earth, would not stoop so low. I have never been that desperate, and even when I legitimately try to behave as if I am, so that maybe I’ll get a little half respectful sex in this country of punks I find myself in, cannot do it.
Again, if you found a girl that desperate, good on you…but don’t think that your good luck translates into how women are, or especially how quality women are.
I’m low quality by most guys here’s measure, being 40 and overweight, but what tiny little quality I have, I can’t make myself open my legs for a guy so full of fail that he breaks up in text.
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I’m interested to know if you think that this Game would work on men as well. If not, what changes would have to be made to the Game for it to work?
[Editor: Not usually. This is because men typically dump women for very straightforward and easily discernable reasons, such as she got fat, old or ugly, or he found a hotter chick to service him. No amount of aloof one word text replies will reinvigorate a man’s desire for a woman he has deemed sexually unattractive.
The reason it works so well on women is because women dump men for more nebulous reasons having to do with perceived beta flaws residing within a suite of personality traits. Her perception can thus be altered through tactics that project a more attractive behavioral trait.]
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>The id monster obeys no ideology.
But the id monster IS your ideology.
[Editor: Then it is an ideology that has chosen us. We have not chosen it.]
Next, your claim that “penis in vagina” is the only way to win the game.
[It is necessary if not sufficient for endgame.]
This implies that there is only one game, but every guy who plays a game is playing his own, and it will only communicate with abstract overarching concepts if a fiction is composed to connect them. For example, if I play a game in which I wish to get as close as possible to a girl in an emotional sense WITHOUT consummating the relationship physically, in order to magnify a delicious sense of melancholy and yearning I derive from denying myself that physical aspect of a relationship, then THAT is my game, and it will only communicate with the “penis in vagina” version of the game if someone remembers that the word “beta” exists, and then utters it out loud (or textually) with the imagined, but ultimately fictional notion that it is even directed at me, let alone that it actually applies to me.
[If you are willingly and intentionally withholding real pleasure from yourself in service to some monk-like transcendental gibberish, and doing so despite the fact that you *could* get laid with an acquiescent woman if you allowed the self-abnegating shackles to fall from your wrists and ankles, then yes you are playing your own weirdo game by your rules. But if you are using said weirdness as a handy rationalization for your failure to close the deal, then you are failing at the only game that matters.]
In any case tho I really enjoy your posts, keep it up!
[Up is my default state.]
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It is very common for denial of the thing you strive for to induce melancholy. It is also very common to indulge in melancholy as its own form of pleasure. My point was that every “beta” has some of the “monk” in them, whether “willingly and intentionally” or not.
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”being 40 and overweight, but what tiny little quality I have, I can’t make myself open my legs for a guy so full of fail that he breaks up in text.”
Nicole, that’s because you’re 40 and there’s a generation gap. People under 30 these days don’t live their lives, they TEXT their lives.
Even telephone conversations are a no-go.
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[…] commenters ran with yesterday’s post about a girl who dumps a beta over Facebook and then reads his pitiful reply to a group of people […]
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Jerry, thanks for the update on the Berlusconi situation. I’ve noticed, from previous comments and now this one, that you’ve got your pulse on the state of men’s issues. Keep it up.
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Preachersdaughter, there actually is girl game, but it’s called “karma”.
Just as most women are overly entitled these days, most men are too. In order to be the kind of guy who has the option of hot hoes all his life, a guy has to have either lots of money or the sincere cold resolve of a pimp. Most guys have neither.
In the end, a guy has to make a choice of either learning to be satisfied with his hand, or taking what’s available to him.
Your mission, as a woman, is to find the guy who really thinks you’re the best he can do and avoid shagging anyone who doesn’t.
It’s not a Hollywood romance, but romantic love really is an illusion. It doesn’t exist, meaning it isn’t love. It’s just lust with pretty ruffles. The real kind of love is familial love. They want you to be the mother of their kids and you want them to be the father of yours. That’s it.
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Nice, but the “e-snub” is for progressive Beta pussies… they won’t dignify it with a response, so you should be suitably chastened, butthurt and sorry from their lack of attention. Instead say…
“Your loss. It’s 8″ Hope you like being used by guys with less. Stock up on Tidy Cat… Multiple Strength, for Multiple Cats. Ciao.”
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@gorbachev
Couldn’tna said it any better…
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@xplat
“…But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
“Is this Suzy?”
Freakin brilliant.
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A WOMAN said: “Nicole, that’s because you’re 40 and there’s a generation gap. People under 30 these days don’t live their lives, they TEXT their lives.
Even telephone conversations are a no-go.”
Dude, that’s sad.
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just saw this, unrelated:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/pellissier20110215
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[…] is the excellent roissy facebook breakup story, part 1 and part […]
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If you are a grown man, there should be only two options for communicating with women:
1) In person.
2) On the phone.
Anything else is for 16 year old girls.
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“Hi there, [REDACTED], I just wanted to tell you that I had a great time with you, but I’m in a place in my life right now where I don’t want to get involved. I just got over a bad breakup, and I don’t have the energy to pursue another relationship. I’m going to spend some time alone for a while. Really you’re a great guy. But this isn’t happening for me right now. I’m sorry.”
My response: “tl; dr”
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@ Evil Alpha
Enjoy your security blanket.
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Instead of inspiring or teaching me to act less beta, Roissy’s post just convince me even more that women are toxic and evil people and make me want even less to do anything with them. They are constantly judging and constantly denigrating men. If not you today, another man. Now I know where all those OkCupid messages go – to cafe talk and mocking in cafes with laptops.
When the only power in the world you have is that of sexual rejection and your goods are sought out by many, it seems it quickly becomes one of the few things you can feel any self esteem over.
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[…] Men of Immaturity Because They Don’t Wish to Marry”Chateau – “Soulkill“, “Emotional Pornography”Mike – “When Men Go on Strike“, […]
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Texting girls does not work well.
Be better to call and leave them a message with your low-bass voice to get her sexually aroused, in the least.
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PHUCKETT WROTE THIS ON FEB. 14: “well, I got the “oh I am getting back with my BF,” email breakup after date 3 from nice blonde who liked me enough to you know, get naked. Waiting 3 days with reply email “goodluck,” and then two weeks to do rekindle email, as described on this blog. no go.
Effort, minimal
results, about what expected
loss of dignity, zero.
conclusion: this approach is better than beta meltdown”
It’s easy to walk away without anger if you fucked her.
If you never get to talk to her again, at least you did that.
But if you never got beyond a certain stage (i.e., never had sex with her), there’s a definite satisfaction in telling the girl to go fuck herself. Specially if she gets mad and says so.
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My response would be: “Sorry, not sure which one you are – please send a pic. Thanks.”
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[…] the fundamental law of gender relations: The road to victory is through penis in vagina. Flirting should lead to it, or it’s nothing but ego stroking for attention whores. And as […]
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[…] the fundamental law of gender relations: The road to victory is through penis in vagina. Flirting should lead to it, or it’s nothing but ego stroking for attention whores. And as […]
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Are you still doing beta of the year?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703786804576138650128293260.html
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^^^@ Blessant
LMAO! I can’t believe that’s not a parody by the Onion. What a mentally ill wench. Too many quotable lines:
–“I called the Terrorist Investigation Unit of the FBI to report it stolen by the carpet cleaner.”
–“…bought a silk jacket with rats painted on it for $500.”
–“…when I opened the new box of Tampax, I was surprised they weren’t lace too.”
–“I soaked my feet in the bidet”
Reminds me of the great:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/european-men-are-so-much-more-romantic-than-americ,11552/
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Roissy I made an extremely beta mistake and I’d like to repent and achieve atonement.
My LTR of longer than a year broke up with me because I was starting to act like an asshole to her, after other beta things I’ve done previously in the LTR.
My mistakes include:
1) Still maintaining feelings for her after 2 weeks after the breakup and treated her like a girlfriend.
2) Tried the NC after that to get her back, and failed after running into her on the 3rd week (talked to her for a while instead of telling her I’m busy and leave).
3) Decided after that I still wanted her in my life, but just as a close friend.
4) Resorted to the equivalent of pig-tail pulling by telling her clothes didn’t match and she has bumps on her face, which pissed her off a lot.
5) Apologized after that.
6) Finally I realized she has moved on already to another guy which she tried to hide from me to not “hurt” me. Then in my distress I proceeded to write her a 4-page letter explaining how I would/did miss her, how I could’ve treated her better, how I didn’t mean to insult her, and how I know she probably wants nothing to do with me (even if she says otherwise) but I hope that we can be friends at some point.
Oh, and I also told her how the new guy’s probably better for her: they are both Christians. When I was dating the girl, I eventually banged her but every time post-coitus she would feel guilty, not that the sex wasn’t good.
She didn’t respond.
She’s 20 and I’m 22. How bad/beta are my mistakes? Granted we were both really into each other during the LTR…how badly would I be ridiculed in the future? Especially the letter part? I’m cringing as I think about it right now.
I’ve cut off all contact with her and stashed everything that can remotely trigger memories of my acute oneitis, in order to get over it and achieve atonement from my betatude. Please evaluate.
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