Let’s get this straight. The Egyptian people power revolution will likely usher in a government run by antediluvian Islamists.
And exporting democracy to every corner of the globe is a good thing… why, again?
Related: Then-and-now photos tell the tale. Female graduates of Cairo University in 1959 wear modern, Western-style dress. In 2004, they are wearing the hijab. Only a fool, or a liberal, contends progress is always forward. This century is going to be one of a return to religion, nationalism and tribalism. Human nature can be suppressed for only so long.
Yes, and the embrace of the hijab occurred under autocratic rule, so it’s not like our policy of supporting dictators there has really worked out (not to mention al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 hijackers from Egypt). The vibe I get — admittedly through the Western media — is that a lot of these protesters just want to get a job and get married (so they can get laid). If they want to devote their efforts to improving their own lives instead of blowing up the US for supporting an asshole ruler, fine by me.
Time will tell.
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According to my very unscientific Facebook observations, the most liberal of my acquaintances were the ones most likely to put up a status update cheering on the Egyptian mob. They really are clueless.
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white guilt is a terrible thing, this is more Iran 1979 than Berlin 1989
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I think the solution is more anti-blasphemy laws to protect these people. Smart liberals keep telling me that the islamists act this way because of economic disparity that we forced on them.
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God is dead!
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What the Western world sorely needs is a return to the Church. I definitely disagree though that religion and nationalism are related. Religion is catholic (universal). Nationalism is tribal. Nationalism can only hold sway in a time when religion has lost its hold on man’s heart.
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Those people are scum, revolution or not. Sorry, Nick Kristof, but we are NOT all Egyptians now. Bassackwards people who are AOK with subhuman living conditions and despotism (shariah will be the new rule of law, dollars to doughnuts). Let ’em rot.
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C
It happened under what passes for PC — under the muslim brotherhood — by which EVERYONE moved back into the 11th Century.
Liberal Mubarak didn’t even pay attention.
His generation figured the kids were just expressing themselves — not repressing themselves.
NEVER forget that the number one booster of the muslim brotherhood was Adolf Hitler. It was Nazi funding — through cut-outs that caused the mb to rocket from 500 members to 800,000 in one year!
Their philosophy morphed from woman hatred to Jew hatred and democracy hatred.
BTW, mo’ hated pluralism and made it plain in the koran.
You should read it sometime. About 60% of it is composed of what terrible things muslims must do to the kafir. ( That’s you )
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Roissy goes back and forth:
This century is going to be one of a return to religion, nationalism and tribalism.
Isn’t this blog partially about to a return to nationalism, etc.? Oh, only for white people.
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@Askjoe
“this is more Iran 1979 than Berlin 1989”
-good quote.
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I hope they all kill each other.
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Isn’t this blog partially about to a return to nationalism, etc.? Oh, only for white people.
Hey why not? Everybody else is.
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I concur with Dominion of Canada that it’s my most liberal friends who have been cuckoo happy over events in Egypt, apparently under the delusion that it’s the equivalent of Paris ’68 or the Summer of Love.
Pointing out that “democracy” in the region has recently brought to power Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, both of whom would bring genocide to the one true democratic republic in the region, not to mention extermination of gays and truly medieval suppression of women, meets with silence. Nor have any of them mentioned the brutal public rape/molestation of ding dong CBS reporter Lara Logan by the “peaceful” Egyptian protestors.
Always pretty lies over inconvenient truths.
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Riots are only cool when it’s not white people.
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Nor have any of them mentioned the brutal public rape/molestation of ding dong CBS reporter Lara Logan by the “peaceful” Egyptian protestors.
Maybe if we could only talk to them they would like us? Guess not dumb bitch.
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@ tankev: i’m an atheist, but i pretty much agree. proles require religion or else they become swpl phaggots.
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@ judge: actually, this blog is partially about a return to anti-americanism… that only NAM’s can participate in.
trollface.docx
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Also, if you haven’t seen it, Niall Furgeson takes a piss on the mornin’ joe crew
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That NewsRealBlog’s Rob Taylor is a serious mangina. Read some articles. Be careful of promoting that blog or implying it speaks to real conservatives like it thinks it does.
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More Glenn Beck shit?
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A lot of Muslim cultural problems are psychosexual, dating back to Mo himself.
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It’s funny how leftists can’t even argue anymore. They think saying something along the lines of “glenn beck” is an instant argument killer. That’s a feminine way of arguing, “suzy is yucky, so don’t be friends with suzy.”
Why not go to Madison and circle jerk it with the union thugs who are pissed they lost the election and now have to get paid like everyone else. Egypt may be Iran circa 1979 but what we see in Madison is Greece 2010, rioting public employees upset that their pay is getting cut.
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Liberals?…. Transforming the Middle East toward democracy was the paradigm shift the Neo Cons championed in the wars in the Middle East. What’s happening in Egypt was the goal of the Bush Administration. Learn yourself some history Roissy…
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Well, R doesn’t like him GWB 43 too much. W was afraid to say that Islam is bad and he believed that yearning for freedom would overcome their stone age belief set. However, the point is is that freedom is good and we should be helping out to prevent Egypt from going from bad to worse. That is, make sure the chaos in Egypt gives us a secular Islamic state like how Turkey tried to be, not Iran Part II.
Or was that too Glenn Beckish for the retards?
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The Madison union types can still negotiate salary, so it’s a lie that all their collective bargaining rights are being taken away.
So-called “progressives” have driven Wisconsin (and CA, and NJ, and PA) forward, no doubt about it: forward over a financial cliff.
Infinitely increasing pension systems and state worker rolls are economically unsustainable.
You’d think with all of Lefty’s talk about “sustainability,” they’d understand this, but they don’t. They just *feel* more just and smarter than you, and they all tell each other that to reassure themselves.
Either that, or they’re deliberately destructive. The Stalinist side of the Left is like that. There are still Stalinists in Madison on Library Mall, handing out copies of The Socialist Worker.
Good for Gov. Walker for calling the pretty lie a pretty lie, and making it die.
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Neocons, liberals.
But I repeat myself.
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Roissy, you need to know this:
The Rob Taylor who writes so often for that so-called conservative blog you’ve linked to is well known among all who care about men’s rights as the biggest mangina White Knight in the right wing blogosphere, bar none.
He long ago referred to men who date foreign women as “pieces of shit” who deal in “human trafficking.” he’s got a hang up about women being “sex slaves” and quotes all the lies Marxist feminists have ever dreamed up about that, he calls Julian Assange a rapist who needs to be hanged, he requotes all the false rape stats he’s ever seen from left wing fems, he says that conservatives need to take over the mantle of feminism complete with all the terminology and ideology.
He’s bad news and it’s not good news he found his way into more serious “conservative” blogging than his old red-alerts blog. He couldn’t find a day job apparently.
You might want to check out some of his articles and openly challenge him to a debate about his personal White Knight vision for the future of American conservatism.
If you let that NewsReal blog go unchallenged in the blogosphere, he could influence politics more than you will.
I assume you want to influence politics.
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Read his article “7 Things Conservatives Conceded to the Left” (that they supposedly shouldn’t have).
One of those things is “Feminism”.
He then says that “women’s rights should never have been conceded as a left wing issue. It’s conservative to protect women”.
It only gets worse from there bro.
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Might not happen.
Probably will.
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Someone is going to get raped by 200 muslims.
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Nevermind, already happened.
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Check this out from Stratfor
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110213-egypt-distance-between-enthusiasm-and-reality
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C wrote:
Yeah, it’s the same with my Muslim grad students; the guys treat Friday prayers as a social event and all they really want is a car, a job, and a girlfriend. And to pass my classes.
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Wake up white man.
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And Antoninus for the win.
Yup, isn’t this why we invaded Iraq? To light the way for the entire Middle East to overthrow dictators and usher in Swedish social democracy.
Be careful what you wish for, neocons. You might get it.
Of course, if this had taken place 3 years ago, the Repubs would be doing everything possible to encourage the Eyptian people. But with a Dem in the White House . . .
Maybe I’m seeing what everyone else isn’t but the Eqyptian crowds look pretty secular to me. Western clothes, mainly; signs/slogans in English; demands for jobs, free elections, an end to corruption.
Iran 1979 was a call to return the clock back a few centuries. Eqypt 2011 is a call to join the developed world.
We’ll see, won’t we?
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It really is worth watching Niall Ferguson destroy the NBC
libs. I also recommend reading all of the recent Spengler
pieces on atimes.com
And yes ,David Rockefeller, the Cairo crowds did look young,secular and educated. Don’t be fooled, they are a distinct minority. Egypt has 80 million people, half live on less than 2$ per day and 40% are illiterate. Wheat price rises of 70% over the past year led the country into revolt, led by the military who were upset at Mubarak’s succession plans, despite having supported the regime for the past 30 years. Cairo has over 15 million people, no more than a few hundred thousand participated in the events.Most do not understand the concept of democracy…. Read Stratfor’s summation of the 2009 Iranian elections…the Islamic ” arc of crisis” is on the verge of explosion
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F. Hayek wrote “The Road to Serfdom” while living in wartime Britain. He was busy with other projects and there seems to have been a shortage of paper so he just got straight to the point. What really matters for avoiding serfdom, he wrote, is having a Government that has limited powers and that acts only within certain, well known, strictures. It plays by the rules, in other words and is largely predictable in the things it does. Holding mass elections to choose Gov leadership is a useful way to support the notion of limited constitution respecting government but it is not necesarily the same thing, at all. In his view, a limited, constitutional monarchy is far better than a runaway, winner take-all Democracy for the preservation of essential limits on state action. Add Islam to the mix and democracy, per se, is a blind alley if you are hoping for a better world.
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It’s much more complicated than anything any so called analyst’s been saying, has even touched on. You can’t encompass the richness and complexity of the Egyptian state, its cultures, its people, either through projecting the concerns, fears and paradigms of the Western liberal left or the conservative right; they’re inadequate, uninformed, simplistic analyses. They exaggerate what conforms to their ideologies, ignore what doesn’t. Each person can touch on a part of the truth, yet the pieces of this jigsaw haven’t come together in any piece of writing.
For an example to illustrate what I’m talking about: There is the terrorism against the Christian Copts, then there’s “muslims” turning up as human shields for their mass. There’s blood, there’s corruption, there’s absolution, there’s internal conflicts and hypocrisy. There’s a spectrum of ideology possibly more complicated than that existing from a western focus, since the views espoused and embraced by mainstream politics and politicians are fundamentally routed in a certain kind of common liberalism. Whereas the various classes, education opportunities, complex religious, cultural, economic issues and histories within the Egyptian populace are deeply ungeneraliseable. This is also part of an over-arching Arab history — an age of discontent — where the powers that be are viewed as weak, autocratic, econonmically wasteful and unrepresentative. The ultimate problem is that, yes, the main mainfestation of all these componded factors is a subservience to the US and its powerful representation of where hegemony i.e. true power belongs.
The muslim ideology is repugnant to the Western left, yet its very advocacy of tolerance means it plays down this. The muslim ideology is similar to the right, but the right cannot advocate the dominance of ‘other’ — even if that other should be more similar to itself than the left. That brings it at an impasse, where not true acceptance can occur on any ideological non-muslim level.
You can overthrow a tyrant, but can you overthrow a complicated corruption that starts with the people themselves? The desires of the populace are routed in no more than Maslow’s hierarchy: food, safety, sex (sex straddles all levels of the hierarchy depending) and in any way they can get it. Ideology is the mere rhetoric, the mask, the tool to achieve the Maslowian needs. Ultimately, fundamentalism doesn’t at all seem Egyptian. I’m not on the ground in Egypt, but the religosity of female Egytpians isn’t quite totally correlated to the religosity of the men, and the hijab perhaps is not the best indicator. Sometimes it’s a distinctly muslim feminism that attracts them.
You are all right to worry about Israel. A problem that noone has been able to solve for two generations. Jerusalem belongs to us all. Noone, not Christian, muslim, atheist or jew has been able to articulate this, or drive towards implementing it. There’s not going to be any resolution that way.
But why does the US have to go up or down with Israel? Why can’t it work towards distancing itself? Surely the lobby isn’t that strong. The propaganda hook for the majority and the fundamentalist instinct for the rhetoric of the minority lies in Israel; dump Israel like you’d dump Mubarak.
Israel can definitely take care of itself.
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Chateau,
In 1959, much about the West – America and England for the most part – was worthy of adoration and emulation in all corners of the world.
50 years later we project an unappealing mix of short-sightedness, malfeasance, violence and narcissim. Who wants to emulate that?
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I said the same thing to a co-worker. Democracy works great in the US, but some places need a firmer hand.
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Those hoping for a positive liberal democratic republic in place of Mubarak are dreaming.
The muslim brotherhood has hand.
The snaps at the head of this post demonstrate just how much hand they have.
When the blonde was gang-raped the cry went out:”Jew! Jew!”
With an uncovered head and blonde hair she profiled as a full blooded whore — by Cairo standards.
And, of course, it was the down trodden twenty-something protesters that did her.
Any resistance on her part would have left her horrifically brutalized — even more than was the case.
More generally, the US State Department has got to stop sending females as any kind of representatives in any capacity to the muslim world. Clinton, Rice, Albright: they poison the mission just by being XX. No muslim despot could live with himself if he granted any concessions to a woman. ( He’d also probably be shot for his pains if he did so, sort of a Sadat moment. )
Arabs are incurable racists, too. Who do you think was enslaving Slavs and Africans for centuries? When it comes to the slave trade muslims are even handed: they brutalize black and white with complete indifference.
Why? It’s in their koran. It’s the only theological text that openly sanctions murder and enslavement of the kafir. Just read it. Mo’ was obsessed with the kafir, so over half of the koran is filled with muslim on kafir rage, hate and punishments suitable for the kafir.
BTW, kafir in Arabic is a much, much more loaded term than the N word. It’s entirely damning.
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As opppsed to when you talk about women’s nature, sexual market and PUA skills (your blog is indeed an obligatory reading to any man living in West countries, regardless if he’s an alpha, beta, omega or whatever), you’re often short-sighted when talking about polictics, immigration, genetics and society. But at this time you really got an important point when suggesting your readers to think about the role of Islam on the recent events at Egypt.
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Lara got exactly what Lara wanted because when does a woman like Lara not get what she wants?
Ankles up, babe…
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Maybe the Egyptians are more progressive than us. Dissatisfied with the clash of hypergamy (undoubtedly caused by booty jeans and made-up mugs) and ancient camel culture, the Egyptians said, “Enough of the 10% of men banging our daughters, sisters and arranged wives! Give us Sharia law so we no longer have to share our women!”
For although he has learned to accept and even capitalize on the hypergamy, our ‘umble narrator would still cherish an America where women are loyal and sweet.
It’s an insightful prediction Roissy. Is the US and A swinging back towards knee-length skirt culture?
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Islam’s War to Save the World – 1,300 Years of Struggle
by Howard Bloom.
http://howardbloom.net/militant_islam_timeline.htm
Islam has no sense of humour because its prophet Mohammed grew up being teased for being an orphaned from an early age and was brought up under the care of his uncle Abu Talib.
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Since when was pushing for democracy in foreign countries solely a liberal policy? What is your suggested course of action, to intervene? Seems like this article is a petty jab at liberals with no substance. The revolution made me happy solely due to its implications.
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All you dumbasses out there saying “sharia law” look really stupid. “Sharia” itself refers to Islamic law. All you have to say is “sharia” or Islamic law.”
Don’t give the Islam apologists and Islamophiles anything to come back with. The hour is late. Turning back the Muslims and dealing with the modern-day Ansar will be exceedingly difficult as things stand now.
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Judd, you are really stupid. You have no god-damned idea what the implications of this revolution are.
By “liberals”, the proprietor of the Chateau means fucktards in America and Europe, like you, who will not acknowledge immutable differences between groups of people and who embrace non-discrimination as their highest value.
Such a thing is suicidal for America and most aptly described as mental disorder.
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Fostering democracy is like the cuckolding fetish. Everyone gets fucked but you and you’re supposed to feel good about it.
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Check out Ilana’s latest op-ed titled the media’s sickening sentimentality on Egypt at
wnd: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=264937
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Multiculturalism never worked for a long time. Look at USSR. Look at European Union, about to fall apart.
The powers behind the heads of state are trying to create a New World order by destroying the identity of countries using legal/illegal immigration. The funny thing is, it will back fire and we will have soon a Civil war, and possibly the breakdown of USA. All it takes is for social services to run out of money, and for the dollar value to drop.
Democracy in Egypt? Nigga’ please!
It’s going to be another tool installed in place of Mubarak that will continue to steal their money and keep sucking Israel’s dick.
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Actually a democratic/muslim uprising in the middle east may be a good thing in the long term. We’ve seen for over a decade/since world war II that fighting individual suicide terrorism doesn’t work. And by suicide terrorism I mean muslims, of course, because no one else is fanatical enough to do it. So, perhaps a unified caliphate in the middle east is what is needed, so that we can have an old-fashioned state-on-state war with Islam rather than the asymmetrical bullshit that’s happening now.
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Knuold, everything is minorities and womens fault. That’s what this part of the blogosphere always comes back to.
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To bad the problem is
fools are an ever-increasing, Big Government-subsidized species for 21st century America.
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Democracy is the primary source of the decivilization that been plaguing the west since WW1.
It’s foolish to believe that giving morons the right to vote will result in anything but a metastasizing malignancy.
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Turn on the tv and find some Egyptian riot shit (CNN or BBC). Turn off the volume and start hitting your bong. Then, blast ‘walk like an Egyptian’ by the Bangles. Try it, it’s a fuckin hoot.
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Bhruic…
The killer was giving women the right to vote.
They then had the wisdom to prohibit liquor.
It’s been downhill ever since.
Women take their limbic logic into the polling booth.
When they pull the lever they’re ‘thinking’ it means more boon for me and the sisterhood.
Instead they’ve destroyed the family and adopted queer social norms.
Swell.
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Can’t wait for this.
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“”This century is going to be one of a return to religion, nationalism and tribalism. Human nature can be suppressed for only so long. “”
…does this account for the popularity of Fox News and the team party movement in the US?
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Egyptians turned back towards religion because of awful economic circumstances. Islamism started to rise 30 years ago because it was seen as an alternative to their system which only benefitted the few. Women’s rights in Egypt are still pretty good. In Cairo, you see many women who are in positions of power and wearing hijabs. Most Egyptian tour-guides (one of the best paying jobs in the country) are women.
The revolution was mainly about economics. Men and women are also delaying marriage due to economic circumstances and this is leading men to be without women and sex for longer (most Egyptians still get married as virgins even though some do not). If you’re 25 years old, living at home with your parents with no money, no job and no woman, you have absolutely nothing to lose by starting a revolution.
Who knows how this is going to turn out? I don’t think Egypt will go radical right away. It is not a country full of radical nut jobs but a country full of pretty normal people. However, it is a country with some very difficult problems to solve. I’m not really all that optimistic overall about the situation.
To the debate about them being more civilized than us, they are in some ways. Even though most of Cairo is dirt poor, it has about 1/1000th of the crime of Washington D.C. They definitely believe in the system of monogamous marriage and not hypergamy and their families are still having children unlike western cultures where the birthrates are nowhere near replacement.
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I’m really surprised that Roissy takes such a negative view about a culture that rejects absolutely everything that he preaches against. I agree that we are headed for a period of a lot more wars and instability. The interesting question is whether the 90% of western beta males will take up arms to defend a hypergamous culture where a small percentage of the men dominate the breeding. We all know Muslim men will take up arms to defend their culture.
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This century is going to be one of a return to religion, nationalism and tribalism.
Yeah, but some parts are going to be toward transhumanism. Life extension, cyborg implants, transcranial stimulation, brain chips, personalized medicine, human cloning, etc. We live in interesting times…
I can see a future where a small elite are using the full gamut of forbidden hi-tech and the disenfranchised masses go neo-luddite/resurgent atavism.
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the problem isn’t democracy.
the problem is during Mubarak’s reign, all opposition parties were banned.
the only political party that was semi-tolerated was the muslim brotherhood.
they have a fully running organization, and they hit the ground running.
it will take years for any sort of secular political organization to get to their level.
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@A.H.A
ZARDOZ
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this revolution was primarly about food FOOD FOOD FOOD! When people can’t afford to eat, bad things will begin to happen.
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@Chris Beaver
“Judd, you are really stupid. You have no god-damned idea what the implications of this revolution are.”
And you have no “god-damned idea” which implications I was referring to. I simply meant that the idea of revolution occurring in the modern world excites me. People still have a voice, etc.
“By “liberals”, the proprietor of the Chateau means fucktards in America and Europe, like you, who will not acknowledge immutable differences between groups of people and who embrace non-discrimination as their highest value.”
How does that apply to me at all? Your reactionary “anyone who disagrees = politically correct liberal” attitude is 20x worse than the self-righteous “accept everyone” liberal attitude. Fuck off.
“Such a thing is suicidal for America and most aptly described as mental disorder.”
Only by dramatic reactionaries or sensationalist authors. Most reasonable people would call it “naivety” or “PC brainwashing”. Lay off the roids, yeah? Too much unprovoked aggression. Almost as if you’re some sort of butthurt neocon.
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I saw the same phenomenom someone described above in my facebook. The only people updating their status based on the Egyptian crisis were among the most leftist of my acquaintances
Though it has obviously no impact at all in my life, Islamist power is good for EGypt
Because Egypt is a country of low IQ people and ugly women, and Islam is an exceptionally good religion for that combination of features
To force Brazilian or Russian women to wear the Hijab would be a crime against humanity, if such class of crimes can exist, but it is extremely good for ugly peoples
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I’m really surprised that Roissy takes such a negative view about a culture that rejects absolutely everything that he preaches against. I agree that we are headed for a period of a lot more wars and instability. The interesting question is whether the 90% of western beta males will take up arms to defend a hypergamous culture where a small percentage of the men dominate the breeding. We all know Muslim men will take up arms to defend their culture.
Why do people insist with this macho-brave-muslim-warriors meme? it is pretty clear that Arabs have been unable to fight for a thousand years and, to use some outdated expression, they are clearly an effeminate people. The only muslims able to fight are the Turks.
Some Israeli general once explained his sucess saying that it was due to “fighting arabs”. Were not for the Turks I bet the crusaders would have wiped out Islam entirely and even Iran would be as Catholic as Portugal is today.
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Wake up white man.
White nationalists are REALLY bad with slogans. Though diversity is obviously bad, it really helps when you need a slogan
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Jim:
Thanks for providing a little balance.
Yes, running into a stone wall there, one which has been repeatedly assailed to no avail.
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And exporting democracy to every corner of the globe is a good thing… why, again?
Why to delay the inevitable, of course.
The “delay” is when we make all our profit.
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How is this blog not about religion (bio mechanics is god), nationalism (Americanism) and tribalism (racism) the very things you denounce in your brief article?
You sound like a hypocrite if there ever was one.
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Virtually every conflict in the world today is between Islam and someone else. Muslims vs. Christians, Muslims vs. Jews, Muslims vs. Hindus, Muslims vs. Buddhists. It is an undeniable fact that Islam is incompatible with the rest of civilization. At some point we will have to accept this and take appropriate measures. Until then, the US will tell the rest of the world “you’re either with us or against us” in our own War on Terror, while at the same time criticizing how the Russians handle the exact same problem in Chechnya or the Indians handle their issues with Kashmir. Unless the world unites against the common foe of Islam we will all be subjugated by them.
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