Game is, above all, about options. It is a toolkit and a psychological mindset that increases the number and quality of women available to you, and strengthens the attachment that women feel toward you. For the keepers of the societal cog assembly line, this is very bad news indeed, because men with options are men willing and able to put off or even entirely forego marriage and kids.
Options = Instability
For the typical man, game is probably the most powerful weapon in his arsenal of seduction that he has at his disposal. Few lifestyle changes can expand the pool of available and willing women as definitively as a concerted effort to learn game. A sudden infusion of wealth or fame, or a miracle of plastic surgery for the uglier men, would have a greater immediate impact than game, but for most men most of the time for whom fame and wealth are out of reach or would require decades of hard work to achieve, nothing gives a bigger bang for the bang than game.
This increase in sexual market leverage does come with a cost, depending on your philosophical view of the inherent tension between individual aggrandizement and societal well-being. As new vistas of poon open wide to the man who accepts the carnal word of game into his life, the context for the choices he makes and the big stages of life he is expected — worse, obligated and duty-bound according to some whiny women — to navigate are irrevocably altered. He no longer feels the pressure to accede to custom, to accept his lot like a good provider beta gear in the machine, or to join the herd of those corralled in claustrophobic pens of restricted options.
Such a man who possesses facility with attracting the opposite sex subconsciously regards his girlfriend (or girlfriends) with a utilitarian eye. He knows that should something go wrong, should she grow — heaven forfend! — bored with him, or he with her, he can find a replacement woman of equal or better quality with a few weeks effort. This self-awareness of his options, based in the reality of his experience, colors every choice he makes. And, more importantly, it instills in him a discreet take-it-or-leave-it demeanor that is unmistakeable, and unmistakably alluring, to women. It is the attitude of sex panther.
The man with options often decides, with justification, to say fuck it to marriage and all that soul-sucking suburban indentured servitude. Thus, knowledge of game and the larger selection of women it offers to the practitioner play a substantial role in the direction his life takes.
Reader Rum comments:
Getting a good grasp of game DOES disrupt the (supposedly) normal progression of life events. Indeed, it makes it dramatically more likely that you at 47 will get lascivious attention from “in-appropriately young” women. But, the thing is, with ordinary luck, you will be getting the same kind of vibes from that same chicks mother. (Its weird the way they smell the same).
So you will have to make a definite choice. Choose without thinking too much. Then pretend the mom thing never really happened. It might work.
This is no doubt true, as any man who has reaped the benefits of game will tell you. The socially-approved timetable of life stages is simply wiped clean, conventional expectations are brought to heel, and the horizon of choice pussy extends along every compass point.
The normal, 21st century progression of life events for the average beta bear who knows nothing of game looks like this:
– hit puberty
– masturbate for ten years
– attend sex ratio-skewed college full of slutty women and get lucky once or twice, despite social awkwardness
– enlist in cubicle farm, ogle sexy co-workers at sexual harassment seminar
– manage to land a 4 or 5 girlfriend through drunken social circle
– date her for two years until she dumps him
– drown sorrows for one full year torturing self with repeated viewings of ex’s Facebook relationship status updates, (“Currently in a harem!”), including make-out pics with new biker boyfriend
– meet an “amazing” 5.5 chubby girl with “more to love”
– propose 1.2 years later
– get married, have kids
– watch as his soul drains away from enforced monogamy and ingrate spawn
– surprise divorcebuttsecks!
– pay half for the lingerie ex-wife buys to titillate her new succession of fly-by-night lovers
– contemplate killing self
– work self to bone for a corporate behemoth’s bottom line
– after ten years being single and paying alimony, meet a 45 year old divorcée lawyer with saggy tits and flat ass
– “court” her, or a reasonable facsimile thereof
– suffer the indignity of pretending to enjoy kissing her as her hot daughter traipses around the house in short shorts
– live out waning days accompanying hag second wife to arts and crafts boutiques
– get sent to nursing home by “compassionate” children for sweet deliverance from the prison of wrecked flesh that holds the last vestige of his faintly man-like soul
Ok, now here’s the 21st century progression of life events for the man who knows game and uses it to successfully meet women:
– hit puberty. If a born natural, begin fucking “underage” (it’s all relative) high school girls. If not a born natural, learn from naturals, mimic them, and discover the crimson arts
– have a sweet sixteen girlfriend (or two) he will never forget, and who he will always compare, usually favorably, to future lovers, to keep those future lovers off any pedestals he may be inspired to erect in their names
– fuck like a rabbit in college if early start. Otherwise, fuck like a rabbit for the next twenty years after college
– somewhere along that timeline, meet a great girl who he rationally tells himself would make a good wife
– reminds himself that marriage is an irrational choice. Then reminds himself that he loves flirting with the cashier at the supermarket, and he marvels how easy it would be to snag her number
– laughs to himself at thought of proposing. (“Bended knee, my ass!”)
– good girl dumps him for wasting her prime years. In his sorrow, he responds by traveling and banging a couple of international hotties
– his divorced and financially raped male friends glom onto him. His harried married male friends secretly envy him
– work is just another word for lifestyle enabler
– spend waning years dating relatively younger and younger women, watching the age gap widen and his married chump friends waking up to the realization that they are shackled by law to wrinkly old bags
– society hates him. Unsurprisingly, he doesn’t give a shit
– die post-coitus from a heart attack. Leave the world alone to enter a void of nothingness, no different than all those married schlubs who toiled for years to nurture and raise a legacy of strippers and delinquents
Any questions?
Oh, yeah, there is one question I have. I understand the Chateau has been mentioned as an outpost of loathsome, bowel-shaking truth in Kay Hymowitz’s new book Manning Up. Dearest Kay, please tell the Chateau readership…
What exactly does marriage offer to guys like us who have the tools to meet, fuck and love women?
It’s not like marriage by its very nature isn’t a raw deal for men. Even the supposed health benefits of marriage for men are a lie. Assuming the law was fair and not the man-hating femcunt swamp of legalistic ass-rogering that it is today, marriage would still be a bigger sacrifice for men than it is for women, simply because men are more naturally promiscuous than women and thus have more to lose by cuffing themselves to a legally enforced institution of monogamy. But now throw in the divorce industrial complex, the house, the kids, alimony, a washed up pussy distended from riding the cock carousel during her lean years and all the rest and that just makes the case against marriage even more airtight than it was before.
PS: Any appeals to nobility or honor will not count as a valid answer. Instead, they will be seen for what they are: a flagrant, flailing attempt to shame men into making choices that further feminists’ interests while undermining men’s interests.

Options dictate the Game.
Always have, always will.
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#1 Where the bitches at, cuh? Moneybitch. fuck a bitch
. bitch got fucked in the mouth. The Game Life Is The Life for the Alpha Male and the Ubermensch. Shouts out to all the betas and sluts that got fucked.
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I’ve begun applying game in small doses, starting with some “JSS” and “A&A”. I’m a beta, trying to learn game. But, I’m 20.
How much have I missed? No, I was unpopular in high school.
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Society and women cannot counter this because society and women have no moral foundation and sundered the social contract between the sexes.
Men are learning what freedom really is.
It amazes me how people expect things to continue along the same trajectory in society and history.
People are adapatable it is why of all the primates we can be found everywhere.
You change the rules and men adapt.
No tears are shed by me for the instituion of marriage.
This bicycle is happy not to be owned by a fish.
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Someone should talk to Zuckerberg about the “in a harem” status update.
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Here’s the page in Hymowitz’s book that references Roissy. She refers to him as The Darwinian Playboy. For a laugh, read her description of what she calls the counter-part to the Darwinian Playboy, Single-and-Loving-It Woman, and note the discrepancy. Poor little hamster.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iC-eNjZXIEgC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=kay+hymowitz+roissy&source=bl&ots=SJhcuMxCSP&sig=6omxu2CIi5_zJ7lQWbTrTTucEn0&hl=en&ei=Kr1mTb26BIrGgAeZt5jLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
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fucking nihilism.
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I will chime in and play a little Devil’s Advocate in thinking of any reasonable reason. The only reasonable reason is a man desire a family life and the wife is actually company that is actually a plus rather than a minus. That’s the only half decent reason, is he wants monogamy and the monogamy is enjoyable. I guess I can point to Dalrock as a possible example.
Still, I can’t really say that with a lot of conviction. I don’t have the ability to get a streamline of pretty, petite, and young women to play. I won’t be surprise that reasoning doesn’t sound so strong when you have a bed of women to enjoy.
Since, I’m posting this. Let me just post it out here even though it is off topic as the comment number is still low. I’m a beta and pretty much about to finish up with streamline of failures to get a girl. Only had one girlfriend. Most recent legit date, was in hindsight, I should have just walked out when there was no energy at all and I knew it wasn’t going anywhere. My last attempt (calling a girl for coffee) was met with excuses (and I have another number, tried calling her but not that number doesn’t exist thing…). I didn’t sounded as confident as I could have on the phone, but I don’t it would have made much of a difference.
I don’t know how to build my game from here. I’m Asian and that a bit on the short side, but I’m not one of the quiet, unassuming types. I guess I’m in the middle range, well-rounded types of most areas. Not buff, but not a sticky (like many Asians). Not quiet and unassuming, but don’t turn every head in a room either.
Basically, I don’t think I’m going to build up to having a thousand options like the example above anytime soon. I had 4 years trying to build myself up (getting fit, building more social game, building a network of friends, getting numbers, etc.) I’m not seeing results.
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Like you said, appeals to nobility and honor shouldn’t count as answers–and rightly so. The only possible answer is one you are already aware of: civilization-building of the Western sort requires patriarchy, no voting for women, and monogamous relationships to create families.
As society is declining, there is no reason outside of religion to hold to such an idea. Despite what you personally do, civilization is still on the decline in large thanks to feminism and the equality propagandists.
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so, there are paths in front of you.
Go David Alexander,
Go Roissy,
or
Go the beta-provider route and get kids. But possibly get surprise divorcebuttsecks! Or go Muslim and have 10 brides and no surprise divorcebuttsecks.
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http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html
Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max?
Saw this floating around. good question!
MCCOY MOUNTAIN
ART, FILM, & LITERATURE GUILD OF AMERICA
Ms. Priscilla Painton
Simon & Schuster Editor in Chief
RE: ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, Secretive Tapings of Anal Sex without The Girl’s Consent, Corporate Douchebaggery, and the Epic Failure of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Dear Ms. Painton,
I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background . Like: “Blind girls never see you coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding).””
“Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com
Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First . At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).””
–http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system
Let’s talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his ‘book’: filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that while he’s doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.
–http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max
– http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
“OK, we can try anal sex , but I want it to be special and romantic. …. process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent ,” — http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?
Do you find such “literature” and “art” to be representative of Simon and Schuster and CBS?
“In one of his most notorious pieces, he convinces a girl to have anal sex and tapes it without her consent.” — http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/08/tucker_max/
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
Ms. Painton–do you find that entertaining? Is it good literature? Do you consider demeaning stories about having sex with midgets good literature? Do you consider it good business to make fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities so as to bolster your bottom line?
What is driving you to publish Assholes Finish First ? What are your motivations? Money? America does not want Tucker Max, as demonstrated this past weekend at the boxoffice. Do you find these signs to be entertaining/a good CBS investment?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Is Tucker Max’s fan base the group that Simon & Schuster is seeking to serve under your leadership?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/14/tucker-max-too-sexist-for-ad-space/
It seems that America believes otherwise as Richard Kelly and Tucker Max’s I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has proven to be a colossal artistic and financial failure.
“Not faring so well, however, was the Tucker Max adaptation I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which took in $369,000 from 120 theaters with a well-below-average $3,075 per-screen average.” — http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEdXykfeBDXwhe
So Priscilla, please tell us about your douchetastic love affair with Tucker Max and his fart art. Does it really titillate you as a woman and feminist? Say it isn’t so! Is this good Simon and Schuster/CBS branding? Why did your massive billion-dollar corporation reward Tucker with a $300,000 advance?
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Does CBS and Simon & Schuster approve of registering fake email accounts to promote stories regarding secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent?
” The lack of traditional plugs forced Max to promote his web site and book via the internet. He would create fake e-mail accounts and then bombard entertainment sites and news aggregators with links to his material.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
For this, your billion-dollar corporation rewarded Tucker with a $300,000 advance.
“Max may have to concentrate on his agent style business moving forward because he’s running out of material. He’s received a $300,000 advance for a second version of his drunken, sexual exploits – a tome that will contain the stories not ripe enough for the first cut.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
Are you proud of Simon & Schuster and your corporation? Funding and encouraging hype, failure, douchebaggery, debauchery, lies, secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent, and making fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities. Is that what attracts you to Tucker Max, or is it the epic artistic and financial failure of his film?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_hope_they_serve_beer_in_hell/
“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell fails in its attempts at raunchy humor, and Tucker Max comes across so unlikable and outrageous that the film’s inevitable story arc feels forced.”
It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First .
Best,
McCoy Mountain & The ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Will Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster still Publish *beep* Finish First?
the title makes no sense. *beep* might finish first in some silly women’s eyes, but they epic fail in reality, as demonstrated by tucker’s epic fart art film fail, which priscilla painton is pretendning not to notice.
What’s up with women these days?
It seems the more they run things, the more they try to force douchebag fart art on everyone:
Former ‘Time’ Exec. Relieves Venerable Editor Mayhew At Simon & Schuster
http://gawker.com/5002333/former-time-exec-relieves-venerable-editor-mayhew-at-simon–schuster
Anywho, does Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster have a personal vendetta against asians, minorities, overweight women, and little people?
Does she think tucker’s ads are cute and humorous?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Does she get off on this?
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).”
Is that supposed to be funny?” –http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Is this the new face and culture of simon and schuster?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Does Priscilla Painton at Simon and Schuster giggle at secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent and also this:
http://www.penguinblogs.ca/davidson/archives/00000079.html
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/sillylittlefreak.html
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_absinthe_donuts_story.phtml
“11:17: The girl starts saying something about what a horrible person I am. I stare at her, but I am not listening. I am preparing myself. I am B-Rabbit. This is the final battle rap. I will win the hostile crowd:
[I interrupt the fat girl] “Ward, I think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver, [as I point to each in turn] so is Eddie Haskell, Wally, and Miss Cleaver.”
[To the fat guy with greasy hair in the camo vest] “Look out everyone! It’s the Pillsbury Commando! Hey Chunk, when was the last time you washed your hair? Does it give you more hit points to have that grease helmet? I hate to break the news, but +5 defense only counts in Dungeons and Dragons.”
[To the ugly Asian girl] “Why you no rike me? You want me frip over? You no piss me off! ME FIND YOU IN POCKING ROT!! YOU NO TAKE MING ARIVE!!”
[To the small frail dork–I notice he has a lazy eye] “Dude–Look at me when I’m talking to you–BOTH EYES AT ONCE. Are you really this ugly or are you just playing? EVERYONE, BE CAREFUL, THIS GUY LURKS UNDER THE STAIRS AND TRIES TO LICK YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU PASS BY!”
[To the original fatty, pause for effect] “Why do you do this to yourself? WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Look, I’m gonna give you some advice-leave the party, take the geek squad with you, go to Denny’s, order about 10 Grand Slam Breakfasts, and eat your pain away. Won’t be the first time will it?”
11:19: I am finished. The kitchen is quiet, except for Eddie and Rich laughing. The four freaks are completely speechless. Everyone is staring at me. I blurt out, “WHAT? I’m pretty sure it’s what Jesus would’ve done.” Eddie and Rich promptly remove me from the kitchen.”
Is Priscilla Painton publishing tucker’s next book for the love of literature, art, or money?
‘Cause it seems that those who work with tucker generally hate and lose literature, art, and money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton
http://www.theladyfinger.com/2009/09/tucker-max-brings-his-misogyny-to-big.html
“What ensues, according the film’s trailer, is alcohol-fueled misogynistic mayhem. Max has sex with several women, including, to his smug satisfaction, a dwarf.”
See? That is the clever banker ruse.
Have women such as Priscilla fund and promote it, while others protest it, enriching the bankers as marriage is destroyed and the state is grown.
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
“A Site about the Divorce Regime, Family Court Corruption,
and Government’s War on Fathers”
“The divorce regime is the most totalitarian institution ever to arise in the United States. Its operatives in the family courts and the social service agencies recognize no private sphere of life. “The power of family court judges is almost unlimited,” according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey family court. “Social workers are perceived to have nearly unlimited power,” a San Diego Grand Jury concludes. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Total immunity [enjoyed by social workers] is absolute power.”
The divorce regime is responsible for much more than “ugly divorces,” “nasty custody battles,” and other clichés. It is the most serious perpetrator of human and constitutional rights violations in America today. Because it strikes the most basic institution of any civilization – the family – the divorce regime is a threat not only to social order but to civil freedom. It is also almost completely unopposed. No political party and no politicians question it. No journalists investigate it in any depth. A few attorneys have spoken out, but they are eventually suspended or disbarred. Some academics have written about it, but they soon stop. No human rights or civil liberties groups challenge it, and some positively support it. Very few “pro-family” lobbies question it. This is because the divorce regime operates through money, political power, and fear.” — http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Have you seen/read END THE FED by Ron Paul? “Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
When you think about it, Tucker Max was the Fed’s ultimate creation–a soulless, debased douchebag:
“My name is Tucker Max, and I am an *beep*
Think about it–Tucker’s motto @ http://tuckermax.com could be the Fed’s motto:
“I get excessively drunk via inflating the currency at inappropriate times, disregard social norms (funding feminism/debauchery & debasement of the family/currency/culture/tucker max(educated at the Fed’s University of Chicago’s School of Economics (school of freakanomics) and Duke scholarship)), indulge every whim/war, ignore the consequences of my actions/bubbles/bailouts, fund idiots and posers and tucker-max-like CEOs, sleep with more women than is safe or reasonable/luring them with fiat currency & a fiat-funded bus, and just generally act like a raging darko/douchebag/dickhead.”
What do you think of Ron Paul’s new book–End the Fed?
http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549193/
Review for End The Fed
“Rarely has a single book not only challenged, but decisively changed my mind. “
–Arlo Guthrie
“Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
Vince Vaughn is a far, far better actor/director/writer than Tucker Max, so it makes sense that Tucker and his jealous friends at the Fed detest Arlo Guthrie and Vince Vaughan as well as art, film, and literature.
The book has much better reviews and is far-higher ranked than Tucker’s douchey books/film/trailer–Five solid stars!
Why do you donnie darko douchos/cbs haterz hate on art, the Constitution, morality, goodness, sound money, peace, prosperity, love, the family, kindness, and Ron Paul so much?
And like the Fed, tucker privatizes all the profits of his private jet while sharing all the risk with his volunteer employees, who work for free.
“Feminism which espoused “women’s rights” actually has driven femininity underground, torn the sexes asunder, and stripped woman of recognition for being wives and mothers, roles essential to their own fulfillment, to men, and to children and society.” –http://www.savethemales.ca/
– http://www.amazon.com/Save-Males-Matter-Women-Should/dp/1400065798
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Gawd. I participated in the live chat Q&A with Hymowitz today. All she’s doing is selling an over-hyped book. Every answer she gave presumed a feminine imperative as the social norm. Never once was it even considered that a Man might want live by what is best for a Man.
ALL women (yes, I said “ALL”) solipsistically presume that social dynamics should ALWAYS default to a feminine imperative. In essence everyone, male or female, are expected to agree with any social dynamic that benefits the feminine. Without even an afterthought men are cast into what would benefit a feminine social frame and a female ideal. To the feminine mind (of both women and feminized men) this is just the way the world is. Any idea that a male imperative would recognized as legitimate is so foreign, so utterly alien, that they’re oblivious to it.
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Africanization of Western Civilization Watch:
“NYC’s young women out-earning men”
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/date_works_hard_for_the_money_and_rW7bKzX7mR5zMDvNRk8fOJ
“A recent study of US Census data by James Chung and Sally Johnstone of Reach Advisors found that the income of single women in their 20s living in New York City is now 17 percent higher, on average, than that of their male counterparts.
While a financial victory for females, this income shift in the midst of an anemic economy is also shaking up dating rules in the city. Successful 20-something ladies may have scant choice but to date Big Apple guys with skinnier paychecks — or (deep breath) no paychecks at all. So instead of the perfunctory “purse reach” at the end of a romantic meal, young women are now pulling out the plastic.”
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A certain Neil Strauss was on Stern today and the game naysers were in full force including the show’s resident omega JD who was recently busted for paying a cam whores to blow on dildos. Strauss is interviewing Howard for Rolling Stone article.
http://www.howardstern.com/
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Use “game” to take a good woman and husband her children so that your genes and values are transmitted to the next generation. Every single one of your fathers did this for millenia.
Or just bust nuts and die childless, endlessly repeating to yourself that the demands of civilization are phony (but its decline is lamentable? huh?), tactile stimulation is sufficient for human satisfaction and its all the femcunts’ fault anyways.
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Couldn’t agree more. Working hard to support a family and a wife who can rape you in court is a fool’s journey. Embracing scenario #2 is the way to freedom and happiness. Not giving a fuck about the system is the way to go.
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roissy has never stated love is a pretty lie. what has been stated is that what passes for heady romantic love is in fact an evolutionary strategy to keep us pair bonded while kids are raised. the feelings of love are in fact a chemical cocktail that may skew our judgement with regards to the value of our mate causing the dreaded one-itis. love is no more a lie than oxygen is a necessary element of survival.
as far as roissy’s wild characterizations of the suicidal beta schlub or the aging alpha on the beach with hookers and scotch, i am sure both do exist in our society and will continue to in future time. i personally would not be satisfied in my existence with hookers and scotch nor an ungrateful bevy of kids and an ex-wfe who takes half my money. there is another way, folks. become financially independent, go foreign and stay there. or use the vigilante psychological techniques taught by roissy and find a better woman within the cracks here in the states; its possible but it means you have to put yourself into those demographic circles. this advice obviously only means anything to those who want to take a middle way.
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A man without options is a married man who sticks to his vows, a man in prison, or a man financially poor+ill health.
Every other man has options; he just needs to exercise the dark arts. There is no reason to marry anymore, other than strict religious views.
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She lost all my respect with this bitter, childish remark.
Men in their 50s who work out can look much better than men in their 20s who don’t. And the cool thing is, looks aren’t as important as game to young women anyway.
And she is supposed to be a Republican? She sounds no different from the Marxist kind of feminist (which is why we need to resist female candidates like Sarah Palin).
You know what she’s doing of course: pretending that men phase out in physical attractiveness at the exact same time as women go into menopause.
Wishful thinking. Next she’s going to propagate the agenda-driven science that older men’s sperm is defective
Look at John Travolta, Stephen Segall, Bruce Willis (the latter hasn’t been hitting the gym as much lately though).
Not too long ago I surveyed about two dozen 18-25 year old women at a university seminar who said they most craved these specific actors, all of whom were over 50 at the time.
Mid forties is when a PUA might be just warming up.
She started off OK at the top of the page and then lost it due to blind hatred.
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btw i am not advocating for marriage. mltr’s i think are the way to go and if you feel the burning desire to have children, find a foreign submissive woman in her 20s when you are in your 40s and hopefully at the peak of your game.
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Keep up the good work. As somebody who just got out of a relationship, I always check back here for some advice/motivation. Your no-nonsense approach provides it.
It has paid off too…in the form of a couple of new bangs 10 years my junior.
Kudos.
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I just read that page in “Manning Up” that references Roissy… the tired cliche that men who forgo marriage and kids will of course be balding (and hiding it), wearing a leather jacket to hide the flab, and talking about how great Soundgarden was…
Providing anecdotes is the realm of women who can not debate greater ideas. So I offer a supposition: Single men running game will be more attractive to hot, younger women (the only kind we all really want to fuck), even at 47 – than a guy who “manned up”, got married and has kids.
She is a silly idiot farming book-sales by mass-shaming men who just don’t give enough of a shit anymore to care.
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C’mon, Erik. Twenty is young, young, YOUNG. There are those of us out here who didn’t have much of a clue about game until fifty. Like me.
My trajectory? Neither of the above. Had plenty of girlfriends from high school on in spite of social ineptness and deeply ingrained betatude; stayed in school through doctorate; married in late twenties; divorced (by her) in mid forties; a couple of rough rebound relationships; discovered this and other blogs; began intensive study of game and relationships.
The result? Finances battered by the divorce are well under repair; three terrific kids who think better of me now than ever before (and think little of their remarried-to-a-chump-and-pregnant-again mom); an ex who says she respects me more today than when we were married; time and energy to focus on my work and on my mission and (as I choose) on my kids and other family. For the first time I recognize the haunted look in the eyes of my married friends and co-workers. For the first time I deal with women on MY terms, not on theirs. I am finally living MY life, not theirs. And that life is good and getting better every day. Because, as is written here, I have options I never had before and I’m exploiting them to the fullest.
All because of knowledge gleaned from this site (and others) and simple applications of elementary relationship game to everyone in my life. It makes a huge difference. It gives me hand with my ex (who still has one of my kids living with her). It’s turned my relationship with my teen daughter completely around. It’s even made a difference at work, particularly with my female supervisors. Game makes life better.
The real surprise is how easy it is to rope in young (as in half-my-age young) women. What works for me is the “you’re too young / immature for me” neg; that sets the hook more often than not. Older women? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel; just say you’re waiting for the “right one” to come along. But the key, as oft written here, is that YOU set the terms in the relationship, and you make sure life goes YOUR way. Not hers. I still find it terribly counter-intuitive and have to work hard to say and do things that are the opposite of what my inner beta counsels. But it works. Game works.
So, Erik, you’re still at the beginning of your life trajectory, and you’ve found this site. Read, learn, and apply. Older readers? I’m past the middle of mine, and every day is proof that it isn’t too late to see remarkable improvement in your life.
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it’s pretty simple. the definition of “manhood” has shifted in response to our environment – sexual and economic.
i’m growing less traditional with each one of these articles by women telling men that they’re overgrown children.
if a man wants to play Call of Duty or jack off to Bree Olsen three hours a day or maintain a harem, it’s because the alternative ain’t so good. from there, we’ll see if society can hold itself together without the old model of manhood.
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Yeah, well, cooter always has market value. Old men, not so much. So, it’s not much of a stretch for women to threaten men with that line of reasoning. You have to always be improving or maintaining value.
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So apparently David DeAngelo is getting married:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=195762
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@Jerry
Just saw your post Jerry, good stuff. A conclusion that most here reached quickly.
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I’ve been reading this blog for 3 years or so, I’m 30 years old, I’m graduating law school this year. I’m pretty good looking, smart, not weird, etc., but it’s tough getting laid. Seems like most girls in my school who are decent have bf’s, many others are true bitches (it is law school after all), and even after reading up on game I continually fail at bar nights. Most game seems to be about once you already have the girl hooked. The problem is getting her hooked in the first place. Most girls are cold when you approach them, day or night. The few that are not shit test you. I wonder if this shit works after all.
there’s a second year cutie in my seminar I want to bang, we just say hi, not much else. how should i approach her in such a way that if i get shot down, I won’t be embarrassed?
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@Dreamer
Then you’re not doing it right. A friend in college was ugly and short (5 foot), but he was able to bang hot babes. Made the rest of us scratch our heads. He had/has great game.
4 years? WTF? To start, how about covertly audio recording your conversations then play back later to critique yourself. At 4 years I’d say one of those PUA in person classes should be considered.
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@ Dreamer
Thanks for the brutal honesty in your post—it can be hard to post the real deal for everyone to see.
If you’re still having trouble after 4 years of working hard on your looks and Game then perhaps your problem is venue selection. Basically, you need to Game women in locations where their options are constrained (and yours are enhanced, by definition). This means meeting women in places that have more women than men, at least a 2 to 1 ratio. Stop hitting on women in nightclubs and instead meet them in corner pubs after work or during the day at the bookstore or something. The name of the Game is decrease her options by decreasing the number of attractive competitor-men in the vicinity.
I would also recommend you that avoid hitting on women who are out of your league, at least at this stage of your development. If you’re a 4, stick with 4’s and 5’s, etc.
And keep improving your looks and working on your Game. It pays off, just keep at it.
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“in harem”…nice
The part about having a high school girlfriend is huge. I didn’t get jack shit in high school, and I think it’s gonna screw with my head for the rest of my life.
I imagine the opposite is true; guys who got the babe in HS are the smirking alphas who die from aforementioned post coital heart attack.
In no way is this depressing.
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@Rick
Stay away from female lawyers. They’re a pain in the ass waste of time.
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Men without options become necessitous, and necessitous men are never free. In order to maintain their power, women must use every psychological technique and instituted social convention at their disposal to ensure that men remain blissfully ignorant of their options.
Confidence is derived from options. What frightens the likes of women like Hymowitz, is men waking up to that confidence and acting upon it. Thus Roissy is a threat, Neil Strauss (low hanging fruit) is a threat, that must be marginalized and explained away as ‘bitter’, nursing emotional wounds, and awakening other Men from the Matrix is just their pitiable catharsis. Shame, shame on you bitter, bitter men.
Nothing simultaneously frightens and excites a woman as much as a Man who’s self-aware of his options. Nothing stimulates female desire so much as the anxiety of trying to determine whether a man is aware of his sexual market value.
This is why there is such an urgency for locking down a marriage commitment before a Man reaches age 30. She’s running the double gauntlet of realizing her diminishing sexual value, while simultaneously hoping to find a man who’s still ignorant of his. Anyone enlightening Men to their real, progressively increasing sexual value is anathema to this.
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i think one aspect of roissy’s theory that is worthy of deeper investigation is the genetic pre-disposition for a certain subset of men to be naturally in line with the aging alpha lifestyle who cares little for the bonds of marriage/kids.
let’s be real here folks. some men who hit their 50s and have played the alpha lifestyle with no kin in their purview are gonna feel empty. let’s crush the pretty lie that this lifestyle provides maximum life satisfaction for every man because frankly isnt that what this blog is about ? maximizing life satisfaction while crushing the shackles of false axioms that hold us in bondage ?
likewise, ALL MEN will feel empty with 3 kids, an aging nag of a wife, or an ex wife you holds half your assets while she fucks your kid’s tennis instructor. use game to either not become that guy by keeping your wife in line through dread, or use game to become the tennis instructor and not get married. or use game and give the middle finger to marriage, pua lifestyle and choose your own way. this post is about options, is it not ? aging alpha with hookers and scotch is not the only one either.
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My response to feminist, marriage-pushing , cock carousel-riding women who try and tell me
how I should play out my relationships while they suffer the emotional angst that comes from
loving a man who only sees them as a place to dump sperm?
“8====D”
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The supposed overgrown adolescents called men still contribute more to society than women, from top to bottom. The manual laborers in construction and elsewhere keeping the wheels of the societal infrastructure spinning, the inventors, engineers, programmers, chemists etc. doing their thing, while women cram up the huge bloated employment agency called government, blather on in media jobs, and push papers in corporate jobs in our “service” economy.
Let women like Hymowitz and Hanna Rosin continue their smug and condescending celebrations of “female empowerment”, it’ll cause more men to wake up. Well, at least I’m awake, if other guys want to continue be indoctrinated, indentured servants let ’em. Nothing I can do about it. Roissy is doing his part.
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Marriage and child raising are low level activities.
Like mining, pizza or mail delivery, trash collecting.
This is not for disrespecting these, they are necessary for the society.
In any society of any time, there will be low level activities and high level activities. Exactly as there will be always low level people and high level people.
Brightest people would be wasted in low level activities.
I do not care to define level here.
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rollo, your last comment was majorly on point.
i would like to add that with this desperate attempt by aging women to limit a single man’s capacity to see the true value of his worth along with his options, men do a similar thing with young hot women. fact is, we all want the young beautiful woman who doesn’t realize she is as beautiful as she actually is. ergo, men try to capture this woman before she realizes the worth of her beauty on the sexual market. concomitantly, men’s true value on the sexual market i would say peaks in his mid to late 30s and plateaus in his 40s, and begins to diminish in his mid 50s. this all presumes he is reasonably good looking and is in shape with a good net worth but nothing outrageous of course which would move the goal posts with regards to age.
women do EVERY THING THEY CAN to shame this type of man into marriage before he hits 30 knowing full well when he does it’s over. he will suddenly see women in their early 20s hitting on him, late teens eyeing him and of course women much older. btw guys when you perceive that moment in all of it’s radiant clarity it is a beautiful thing.
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lmao @ http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/i-have-stolen-many-prime-years-of-girls-lives/
just goes to show you….ALL women will shit test you. even your own mom.
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@Rollo
“”Never once was it even considered that a Man might want live by what is best for a Man.
ALL women (yes, I said “ALL”) solipsistically presume that social dynamics should ALWAYS default to a feminine imperative. In essence everyone, male or female, are expected to agree with any social dynamic that benefits the feminine.””
I have a real-life example of this with the girl I’ve gamed and am now seeing.
While the above may be the “feminine imperative”….I think it’s only one side of the coin.
THe reality is that women want “alpha” but will push for “beta”….
We had a fight over some shit-test that went too far.
I blew up. She apologized profusely admitted it was all her fault. She then said she cried at my reaction.
But secretly the tone of all this was that she was grateful I’d manned up and showed a flash of temper.
She “thanked” me for “sharing” what was important to me.
Women want to tame the man, but I think as has been said many times in this blog and other game forums….the purpose of trying to keep a man down is for women to separate the alpha from the tamed betas.
I’m divorced. I got off quite easily. My ex-wife and i separated, she married an older rich guy and I found my own way forward.
Now my divorce is my innoculation against future marriage.
Women I meet now understand that because I went through it once it’s understood I won’t do it again.
When the issue of opening up comes up, I overtly or subtly refer to my failed marriage and that’s good enough to get the girl to accept the tiny bits of vulnerability game I throw out before going back to my alpha ways.
The girl I’m seeing wants a strong man who opens up periodically gives her flashes of vulnerability while overall remaining a “man”….
She always now asks for “Permission” to do things like hang out with her girlfriends, or to do things on days I might be available.
That’s rare.
But she only does that because her “priority is my man” as she puts it.
That doesn’t stop her from trying to beta-ize me…while she unconsciously would hate it if I actually became beta.
I can use my ex-marriage as an exemption from 1) opening up like a complete beta and 2) any talk of marriage
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@Julian
You might be describing what men would feel at age 70. But there’s no empty feeling at around 50 if the guy can get away with saying he’s a lot younger and works out.
Young or old, a man needs to find a country with low (reasonable) child support laws and hope the US feminists don’t make treaties that force American men to pay American child support amounts.
Then you need to get some worthwhile foreign woman pregnant who knows you won’t marry her – that’s the hard part. It’s knowing you’d gladly reproduce with someone, knowing that the child support payments would be easy to make, but also knowing that she would expect you to be married to her for the rest of your life, that’s the hard part.
It’s getting past the last part that’s troublesome. I have too much of a conscience. But, other than that, there is no “empty feeling” after 50. None at all.
Reading the stories of divorced men online, it’s really more like a vast feeling of relief.
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She didn’t bestow any “credit” – just brainsucked your words to justify whatever position of hers needed bolstering at the moment.
Plus, this SAME concept was done years ago in The Peter Pan Syndrome; all great ideas get recycled. I just expected it to be closer to antiquity than plagiarism.
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@ Ben Runkle:
I came up with a solution for how to respond to some females like that…
I wear this under my button-up dress shirt, and unbutton when I feel I need to make a non-verbal statement:
Win.
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It’s taken almost as a given in MRA circles that women should be disenfranchised. I disagree. I think women are perfectly capable of voting in their own self-interest, just as men are. What is needed is the removal of pretty lies, in a way that is socially acceptable for women to follow (this blog ain’t it). So, some woman needs to step up and tell it like it is; point out how much feminism is harming women, and get women to stop knee-jerk voting for any old policy that benefits women at the expense of men.
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I think I’ll buy her book secondhand just so I can publicly burn it, without her actually profiting.
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Any questions?
Yes. Do you realize that if you ask 100 elderly men about their most treasured accomplishment in life, 99 will answer “my family and my children”?
I’ve asked that question of dozens of men aged 70 and over, and they almost always say the same thing. Even if their kids are “delinquents”, they are still preferred to a lifetime of cheap sex.
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The “Single-and-Loving-It” woman- ha! Maybe when she’s 20.
I know a handful of women ranging in age from mid 20’s to early 40’s who get up every day and try to put on a good game face. Many of them overcompensate by talking about how “fabulous” their lives are. The reality is that just under the surface they are lonely and unhappy. Some are miserable.
All of the appletini’s, vacations, and expensive shoes in the world can’t placate a woman’s natural desire to associate herself with a high value man.
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“Mid forties is when a PUA might be just warming up.”
I’m starting run into more 40-something, divorced guys learning Game.
I always recommend to single guys that they must learn Game.
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I am very happy to say I am well on track for the alpha lifestyle. I’ve had the puberty, I’ve had the girlfriend who I dated until I was 18, haven’t met anyone like her yet.. And I’ve just startedaving consistent sex in college. HELL YEAH.
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roissy how many chicks had you banged at the age of 20? I want to see how i compare to the greats
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no jerry, i am not describing men in their 70s. i am describing many men i know in their late 40s early 50s who are of a bohemian or intellectual disposition. i work as an arts journalist so my social circle consists of musicians, painters, writers, journalists, and academics mainly. mid betas to uber alphas covers the spectrum. since i discovered roissy i have tested his theories on every stripe of men and women i know. i have analyzed and weighed the evidence with every interview i’ve done week in and week out with hundreds of people.
truth is, the aging alpha once he hits his upper 40s and if he has no kids or pair bond to speak of for the most part will desire children. ask gorby how he feels about it who seems to run in a similar milieu that i do. from the people i know who tend to be liberals mind you, i would venture the numbers at 70/30. you must be in the 30 percent but don’t kid yourself that every alpha in his 50s with no kin to speak of doesn’t wistfully desire kids. i am starting to become convinced that there must be a genetic component at play with regards to this aspect of their trajectory.
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A lot of guys who are into PUA are smart HBD-fans and they want to spread their seed because, quite frankly, they realize thats the only reason we’re here. As Roissy himself once said (here- http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/female-rapists):
“We are here on this earth to serve one purpose — the propagation of our genes. Everything we do is either designed to push us toward that goal or is a byproduct of that purpose.”
My advice for guys with that particular urge: impregnate proles or lower class girls on purpose. Most of the guys with that urge have the smarts to offset the prolegirls low IQ and those same prolegirls are less likely to get the most out of the femmskewed law (ie-you have a higher chance of paying less child support, if any at all).
And/or donate sperm. Do it while you’re young though; you need highly motile sperm for those banks to accept your shizz.
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@ Milton, this blog is for the other 1%.
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Marriage used to give a man kids he could count on being his, and a helpmate to help him raise them and keep a good home. That was the whole point (and still is, in some cultural groups like Amish or traditional Catholics). It’s not that marriage is inherently bad for men, but that we’ve broken their half of it.
My grandfathers were manly men who probably had plenty of game, judging by the calm and assured masculinity they showed later in life. They used it to attract quality wives who gave them a passel of kids and were by their sides when they died 50+ years later. That’s not exactly something to sneeze at.
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btw jerry i was referring to men who have never married nor divorced. i do agree with you that once men have been through that hell once they will not feel empty being single in their 50s in fact they will feel relieved.
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Indeed. Many talk about their military service, career success or educational accomplishments.
Vets talk about their deeds in battle, never about how many whores they fucked – over there or stateside.
The only defense I can muster for the PUA is they have nothing left to fall back on. The sexual conquest parade is all that remains until the Original MPUAS hit 50; then it’s gonna be a weirdass scene.
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julian-
I’m glad some guys possess the foresight to realize that they will likely want more out of life than the ability to bang 25 year old chicks well into old age.
You nailed it. The ideal situation for a man is to learn game AND work to make enough money here in the states to allow you to travel. Satiate your sexual desires by banging Ameriskanks while you plan your exit from this dating cesspool.
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Milton,
I think there’s a truth there. The ideal is not to be perpetually single, but neither is the ideal to be with some nasty fat woman who doesn’t appreciate you, either. I’ve been married for almost 3 years, and while it has its ups and downs, my wife listens to what I say, cooks our meals, stays thin and in shape, and is a great person to be with. I would love to grow old with her.
That being said, I would have been in deep, deep trouble if I’d ever married any of the bitches I’d gone out with when I was in my 20’s. The problem with a lot of Betas and Omegas is that they don’t pick the woman who’s right for them, they pick the first (or second) woman who comes along. It’s like they think there’s some duty to marry the first girl they date.
You don’t marry a girl who’s a 5.5 and fat. That’s asking for trouble already, unless she’s a fabulous cook, a sex fiend who spends her life trying to find new ways to get you off, and has the caring soul of Mother Teresa. Otherwise, what is the guy possibly getting out of that relationship??
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Marriage: “man-hating femcunt swamp of legalistic ass-rogering ”
Holy shit, I nearly made an ass of myself at work by laughing too loud. Dammit, says it all.
Feminists: it REALLY is this bad.
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I make arguments for a living, so I can make a stab at a rational defense of marriage.
Premise #1: Although on a different timeline from women, male sexuality, needs, and priorities also change with age.
Premise #2: Women and men are very different creatures mentally and emotionally as much as physically.
Premise #3: Not all marriages end in divorce. It’s an unfortunately large fraction, but less than half.
Premise #4: Although not completely foreclosed (as Berlusconi or Hef shows), in the absence of extraordinary circumstances (like Berlusconi or Hef’s status), most men’s options will eventually decline with age, and in particular there comes a point where, massive outliers aside, and even with the help of game, one can’t pretend it’s likely that septuagenarians will be regularly getting “prime of life” women.
Based on those premises, one argument for marriage goes like this. There is more to life (and marriage) than sex. It’s a driving urge, no doubt, but with lifespans the way they are, it’s no longer “survive your childhood, pass your genes in your 20’s, die in your 30’s.” That said, even with the “Viagra revolution,” most men aren’t likely to be having much sex after their 50’s, to be generous. Some, perhaps, and some outliers more than others, but everyone can accept that age eventually has consequences. Men peak on a different schedule than women, but peak they do. At some point in his life, companionship, fondness, and mutual support will likely become at least as important to any man as sex. Why not just find that companionship in male friendships? Well, for one thing, women are complementary to men. That’s part of their differences. There’s something to having a woman in your life that provides mental and emotional benefits that male friends can’t (to a straight guy, at least). Furthermore, there’s something particularly important and beneficial to having a single person with whom you share that partnership. There’s a reason that lifeguards implement the “buddy system” to prevent drownings – having one partner you care for specially is easier than trying to get your care needs from a diffuse group of people who are all less invested. That doesn’t even bring in the question of children, who are generally best served by a stable union of both parents, who are more likely to be well-adjusted in such an environment (contrast with the future strippers of the single mother generation), and who then are more likely to be a comfort to you in your age.
In other words, the above argues for finding a woman you can “sit next to in a rocking chair on the porch,” so to speak, who you love and respect and understand through long familiarity, who you care for and who cares for you. Marriage, done right, can do that. In fact, the phase of life where those sorts of concerns are more important to men may be larger than portions where sex is more important. After all, most of us went 14 years or so where sex wasn’t important (’til puberty), and most will see declines (though not abolition) in sex drive from mid-50’s onward. That means there are probably almost as many “sex is secondary” years as “sex is primary” years in a man’s life.
Of course, the objection may be that, even if one agrees that’s valuable, marriage isn’t the only pathway. True, but it makes it a lot easier. The risks of marriage are many, but there are tradeoffs. Regular access to sex is one. It’s a trade of new pussy for regular sex. The stereotype about frigid marriages is not accurate statistically (on average, married people have more sex than unmarried) and, if we’re positing a game-having guy getting married, he’s even less likely to have a frigid marriage. For another, it’s simply easier not to have to constantly find new women. Getting to know new women to sleep with him and provide the deep companionate relationship that will probably eventually be paramount is an opportunity cost the happily married man doesn’t have to pay. Finally, if the eventual goal is lifelong partnership (to get the benefits noted above), then (1) most high-quality women will only do so as part of a marriage, (2) even if you don’t get married but still try to accomplish that plan, you’re effectively married anyway (and will be deemed so by common law marriage in most jurisdictions), and (3) if a woman sticks with you
In short, voluntarily limiting yourself to one woman to develop a deep and abiding mutual partnership is not cost-free, but it does promise to provide benefits that can’t be gained by a string of newbies. Marriage is still the best way to accomplish that. It may end badly, but statistically that’s less likely than avoiding divorce, and if you apply appropriate game principles within your marriage (as several Chateau commenters do), and cultivate other marriage-positive aspects of life (e.g. highly religious people have lower divorce rate scompared to the nominally religious, who match society at large) you’ll improve your odds still further. Marriage allows low-cost, high-quantity (and quality, if done right) sex during years when sex is paramount, and also gives the best chance for a woman who will be your lifetime partner and helpmeet during the years when sex slowly ceases to be paramount.
That’s my argument. Others could be made, it’s not ironclad, but I think it’s at least a “rational self-interest” argument rather than a religious or “honor” argument.
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or, warp the Matrix to your will and marry a girl into swinging and have fun with whatever level of wife swapping, group sex you are into.
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@ Miltroll:
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1202940,00.html
“Psychologists have measured how people feel as they go about their daily activities, and have found that people are less happy when they are interacting with their children than when they are eating, exercising, shopping or watching television. Indeed, an act of parenting makes most people about as happy as an act of housework. Economists have modeled the impact of many variables on people’s overall happiness and have consistently found that children have only a small impact. A small negative impact.”
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I need to fucking change my ways. I want a life of quest, not ‘happily’-ever-afters. I am more hell-bent on giving a “fuck you, I’m better than you” to my doubters and tormentors than ever ‘settling down’.
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Sorry, third to last paragraph should end: “(3) if a woman sticks with you for the first 15 years, it’s statistically very likely she’ll stick with you to the end.”
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About Ms. Hymowitz and her book/essay, methinks you doth protest too much. She basically journalizes about the subject that you talk about every day, with very little bias. But, in your guilt-rage, you hit back hard, against someone who just tells things as they are, without prettying them up.
[Editor: So how long have you been licking Hym’s taint?]
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haha, hls must have studied rhetoric, philos or law.
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But what if you want kids? Here I am, with this (likely Catholic) need to have children. And a wife – a loyal one.
About other men looking sad and tired:
I see this all the time.
I used to get “You poor, divorced bastard. Sorry to hear it.”
A few years later, with a few very attractive GFs and appearing healthy and happy, I got – “Dude, you’re not exactly living up to your responsibilities.”
As in, moral authority driven at me.
More recently, I get:
“WTF is this guy doing?” – from women.
“Wow. Looks nice.” – from men, and guilty glances away from the wife.
Other people:
I have a Canadian co-worker/associate from days past. He went back to Canada with his wife (safer place to raise kids, he says; her family is there). It’s much worse than down here, he tells me.
The place is a hive of Feminism – Feminist Central. The place is a swamp of PC; you need to wade through it to see any sign of reality. He tells me the media is distilled PC garbage, especially when it comes to women. I watched Canadian commercials: there’s the obligatory Gender Mixing (all cool, hip, do-ing, able-d people are female, often non-white, but definitely never males; there’s always a solid ethnic mix, despite the fact that most locals are white or Asian; white males, though a clear dominating factor in the economy, appear rarely in any positive role in ads there; Asian females seem to be the only clients Banks want to sell to; etc.). It’s worse than here, for sure. At least white, middle-class America exists in advertisements.
He lives in constant fear of his wife. A while ago, I introduced him to game – maybe Roissy was too rough an intro – but the “Misandry Bubble” (unknown link) convinced him. He reads, but get this:
MORE THAN PORN
He needs to make sure his wife doesn’t see what he reads. She finds this whole genre of “evo psych” and “game” deeply offensive. She’s “not impressed” by this kind of misogyny.
He was so nervous, HE WOULD NOT SIGN IN WITH HIS OWN ACCOUNT. He CLEARED HIS CACHE to get rid of offending Roissy material. He reads it only at work.
I let him use my account for a bit – until it annoyed me. Talk about terrified.
But over the past 6 months, …
He’s quietly learned everything he can about Game. One of the reasons was his attempt to gain control over his life. He lives in constant fear of offending his wife. But since reading up on game, and putting it into practice, he’s noticed two things.
He gets more sex. It’s also better.
And his wife occasionally asks him for his opinion.
Friends
Three American friends – including my brother – have been re-educated, too.
My brother is as natural alpha as they come: tall (6′), handsome, also a bit of a jerk. His wife loves him and adores him. And yet, he reads Roissy and PUA material now (which he calls gimmicks and shit), and has recently come to this conclusion:
Gorbachev, he says, I have less contempt for your lifestyle now.
He’s had contempt for me since I got divorced and went overseas. He’s a typical conservative Chivalrous male, a somewhat traditional guy; in his worldview, women belong in some spheres, not in others. But he has the same conservative White-Knighting problem that lots have. Women must be Protected and Guarded – even foreign women (ie, Afghanistan).
The fact that he’s been able to admit that men get a raw deal (except for him) says a lot. He’s admitted that most women are useless sluts. He also thinks I’m insane for dating my current GF: he has NO IDEA how I got her. Or keep her. he thinks she’ll leave me. In fact, he can’t work out why she’s WITH me.
Now he has some idea: I expounded on Game. He calls it gimmicks and tricks. I say: You do this shit naturally. You genuinely dominate your wife. I never did (I was his pansy brother; he blew things up for a living, in the military, and has killed people). Okay, so I like to hunt. Big deal. I’ve always deferred to my brother, though, in matters of Maleness.
He’s also Bred: This is a big deal for him. It’s crucial for his ego and his lifestyle. He values it. Real men have babies. Real men raise them. In many ways, he’s my father’s child.
I’m an Urban White Pansy. PUAs are dirt to him. I can rectify this by finding a nice, white (non-jew) girl, traditional, settling down, and making 3-6 babies.
And yet, … I got him to admit that he’d like the following:
– to tap some different poon from time to time. Too bad he settled down so early (though he loves his wife).
– to have some freedom. His job is tough; he has few choices; he doesn’t even get to decide where they live. He gets posted without many options; he’s good at his job (full time military) so he gets to go all the time, and do the jobs the competent people get to do. IE, don’t be too good at your job.
– he’d like to have more power over his wife. She seems strong-willed. The truth is, he blows shit up, but though he won’t change a diaper (long past that point, anyway), he defers to his wife a lot. And when he disagrees, they have some pretty big arguments – and she’s just irrational half the time. This has been his complaint for a decade.
The Evo psych stuff has filtered in; he gets it.
My Sister’s Husband
My sister is a tough woman: She’s ivy-educated, a little more conservative than usual, but hard-core feminist; and she utterly dominates her husband. I’ve never met a more Beta man. And he’s black. Highly educated. Refined, even. Has a good laugh, relaxed. And she totally wears the pants.
He’s responded well to Game. He gets it. His whole family is the same: tough women, weak men (his brother taps a lot of pussy, for sure; I don’t think my brother in law has).
That said, my sister is frankly a bit of a bitch. I pity him.
When my sister thinks of me at all, she thinks of me as a clueless, Woman-whoring irresponsible flake. She’s never seen me with the same woman twice since my divorce, before my current GF.
In her evaluation, I’m a disgusting pig for dating someone 10 years younger than me – I must be a woman-hater, and I must want a weak woman – and she derides the fact that my GF is insanely hot. She’s major Genetic Infusion for our family. She views it as me chasing more tail.
She talks about my GF like that: Where’s your pretty girl tonight? She finished her classes yet? I get no end of this shit from her.
I don’t care what she thinks: I like her husband more than I like her. He’s more interesting, I have more in common with him, and he’s a thoroughly decent guy.
Aside: This is why I don’t automatically buy the White Nationalism crap: It’s honestly true, I have more in common with THIS BLACK MAN than I do with my WHITE SISTER, and she’s my SISTER.
Male solidarity. I’m a Man first.
I’ve been trying hard with him, because he lives in the same city, and I hang out with him at family events. My GF likes him, too, though she agrees that he lets his wife walk all over him. She basically owns him.
Recently, though, he’s started to spend time on his own; he looks after his two little daughters, but he’s come out with me and a friend a few times. Smart guy. Has a great sense of humor. Too self-deprecating. I’ve told him how to deal with my sister. He just has to disagree with her and do his own thing when he wants to: and he’s taken to game like nothing I’ve ever seen. I don’t know how much he puts into practice, but he’s definitely buying OUT of the misandry we all see.
So – progress.
Tell all the people you know.
But the truth is – I don’t care what my family thinks. I’m banging the hottest chick any male relative has ever seen not on TV, or even compared to TV; My job gives me incredible flexibility, if it doesn’t make me rich; and I get to travel.
And I don’t mean to Iraq.
And I might even be able to have a family.
So a hearty “fuck you” to haters of Game.
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GOOD stuff.
However, it’ll never play at Spearhead. You’ll have to talk about grand mages and/or Spidey powers.
But for us here – mainly me – I’d like an equally erudite presentation on “Women are better marrying for love, instead of wealth.”
can do?
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The Manhattan Institute is filled with freaks and losers. With the exception of Heather MacDonald, everyone who writes for them is a psychopath who lives in a fantasy world. They can only exist in Manhattan, the island of psychopaths.
Yes I live here. God I hate it. But at least the chicks are slutty.
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@ HLS
I’m guessing this is short for “Harvard Law School”?
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What a rallying cry! Well worth the wait.
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Byron–
A few pages further on she characterizes her male and female versions of hedonistic singles thus:
In the several pages I read she maintains a formal symmetry of sorts between the male and female extended post college single types, but she colors the male Roissy type as a selfish and user playboy, but the long playing around single woman as empoweringly exercising her options.
They both may or may not regret it later she goes on to say, and there are tradeoffs. But here too she suggests the woman will have more and better options that the Roissy type. Who she predicts will end up with a comb over (he’ll shave his head) and a paunch (ah, gyms are part of the single player’s lifestyle Kay) and marrying a divorcee with a couple of kids and decide to be a step dad to them (as if).
Misandry, slightly masked. Woman can’t help herself.
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I found something that is quite relevant to this blog:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh59chNnx21qgbzseo1_1280.gif?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1298676536&Signature=HmAmZPtqaGkPJLEeGUrBO3l4ih0%3D
[Editor: You sit on a buttplug when you type?]
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Damn, if that’s what those initials mean,
we’ll do better with the UConn student
who actually did HLS’ homework
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@Firepower: Sure, I can do it. I’m not sure I agree personally (I think the traditional trade of women’s exclusive prime sexuality for guaranteed security is pretty fair), but it’s all in how one defines the terms.
Premise #1: Love is different from lust.
Premise #2: Women have a shorter sexual shelf-life than men.
Premise #3: Happiness is more tied to relationships than to things.
Women are better off marrying for love instead of wealth, because love provides benefits that wealth cannot, and because the benefits wealth can give are not fully guaranteed.
First, you have to define love. As noted above, I’m presuming that love is different from lust. Women who marry based solely on the “tingle” are likely to be disappointed. But women who marry based on love that goes deeper than the temporary chemical thrill of “first attraction” are better off than women who marry for money. In particular, love should be viewed as a verb, not a noun. “Love” is not a place that one can be “in,” however modern culture has degraded the term. It is not just a state or a time period. It is an activity. A woman who marries for love is a woman who is committed to loving her husband. That does not mean blindness to faults, but it means commitment to love despite them. The benefit for the woman is that her choice to engage in the activity of love as her basis for marriage is that (1) she is more likely to think about the long term, (2) she is more likely to favor and choose a person who is also committed to loving her, and (3) by taking the focus off herself in choosing a person to whom her love will be directed, a woman is more likely to sustain a relationship.
My aunt was fond of saying, “It’s just as easy to love a rich man as a poor man.” True. But a woman who decides to marry purely based on money has less incentive to be sure that the relationship will last, because money is transitory. I’m sure Bernard Madoff’s wife thought she was getting a guarantee of great wealth. He’s now broke. Anna Nicole Smith thought she was guaranteed half a billion. The court disallowed the will. Women marry doctors to be a doctor’s wife, their skills atrophy, and then they’re dumped for a newer model. (Contrary to the propaganda you sometimes find here, alimony per se has been severely curtailed in almost all jurisdictions. The idea that a wife normally gets permanent support for life is legally incorrect. And some jurisdictions will let her take half the marital assets, but the average marital estate is considerably less than $100,000 – hardly a mine of great wealth). Women have a very limited shelf life. If one is marrying solely in the hopes of scoring lots of cash, the likelihood of getting a “big score” is limited, and the chances are that most women will only get one shot at it. By the time they’ve tried and failed once, their sexual market value is shot, they can’t try again, and it’s back to the trailer park.
More importantly, by focusing on wealth, a woman is focusing on herself (her comforts, her spending, her share). Love allows her to focus on the object of her love. Relationships are healthiest when female self-absorbtion is limited. And healthy relationships are best for women. Studies consistently show that personal happiness is more closely tied to satisfaction with one’s relationships and life experiences than it is to possessions. In fact, the single most important way studies show that money does “buy happiness” is by giving it away – building and improving relationships with others and improving their lives. In other words, removing the focus from oneself and focusing on loving others. If that is the best way money can bring happiness, then it makes sense that marrying with the object of loving her husband is a far better bet for women than marrying for money.
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Um, Harvard is is Massachusetts.
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Anybody else notice how the WSJ switched Kay Hymenswiss’ picture. In real life she is one old ugly bitch.
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UConn students are just fine. Useful as drug mules in Operation Ivy League.
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I started reading this blog about three years ago when I moved to Seattle, as I had just got out of a 5 year long relationship with a girl from another country (Iceland). I was used to being in a relationship where I was appreciated for who I was and I reciprocated in kind. Were there shit tests from her,? I’m sure there were but being a young cocky guy I easily passed them without even knowing it.
Imagine my being newly single and for some reason I was no longer knowing how to navigate the dating scene. Mind you I was 34 years old making pretty good money and in decent shape but I could not get laid to save my life. I did everything that all my female friends told me to do but again I was failing desperatly, every now and then I would get lucky with a 5 or 6 that I knew was beneath me and I would feel good about the fact that I banged some feminist warpig who wanted to fasttrack me to marriage and I’m sure eventual meal ticket divorce.
I only bring this up because I can truly say that game saved my life from the hell that was surely my destiny had I not discovered it. People like Mrs Hymowitz and her herby Mangins acolytes in my opinion are the enemy who need new wsys to shame men into the care of former sluts who are now single mothers who need society to respect the fact that their dysfunctional. IMO any man that dates a single woman needs to remember that there’s some reason she’s single.
Three years ago I could not imagine all the women that I now sleep with without having to worry about such things as marriage and complying with women’s volatile way of life. Now its not even a concern, as I negate their mindgame bullshit without flinching. Any man that buys into what Mrs Hymowitz and her article states deserves the eventual downfall that will come their way.
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When I tell people that I don’t have any intention of ever marrying, they just laugh it off. If they’re not troubled by it morally (which a lot of people are, and they’ll let me know) they usually just try to chalk it up to my youth. Either way, they usually come off very condescendingly, no matter what their age or sex is. Fuck that noise.
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Everytime I think about the “void of nothingness” I get real cold. What really matters then, if your conciousness just fades into oblivion, and memories, emotions, and relationships are rendered meaningless? I start losing the motivation for wanting to succeed in life. But then I stick my beef whistle inside my girlfriend’s pussy and everything seems to be okay.
[Editor: PRECISELY nathan. That’s why I say love — and sticking your beef whistle in a warm vaj — are the only things in this world that aren’t bullshit.]
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Some of the comments already brought up my point… but just one question:
Is a man who wants to stay with one woman (when he after his wild years meets someone special), be monogamous, get married and have children automatically a beta?
Because I think there´s something in between these two scenarios presented in this post.
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“Male solidarity. I’m a Man first.”
lol, in before “patriarchal oppressor”.
“First, you have to define love. As noted above, I’m presuming that love is different from lust. Women who marry based solely on the “tingle” are likely to be disappointed. But women who marry based on love that goes deeper than the temporary chemical thrill of “first attraction” are better off than women who marry for money.”
Why do you think this presumption will work for both sexes?
“In particular, love should be viewed as a verb”
Love, love is a verb Love is a doing word Feathers on my breath Gentle impulsion Shakes me, makes me lighter
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By the way, if I didn’t have such an ironclad stomach I would have ralphed all over my keyboard at the WSJ piece. Her main problem, besides solely blaming and shaming men, is that she brings up many feminist developments that have severely altered how she thinks men should act without actually connecting the dots and realizing that they might be the reason why so many men have “delayed their adolescence”. Incentives matter, and there are few around that can make a sane man “grow up” in her terms.
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I’m glad I found this blog when I did. I am 21 now and while I have many redeeming qualities I was definitely on my way to the beta life style. I’m still working hard on my game and improving my self overall. I am making progress.
Girls have been starting to qualify themselves to me more and more and I am getting better at taking the dominant frame with women. I also have decided to stop masturbating and looking at porn. I jerked it last night after nearly 2 weeks of no porn or masturbation(wanted to go longer but felt like I was about to spring a leak). Abstaining has caused me to feel much more confident and powerful. Not sure how to describe it but I just have manly energy surging through me. I’ve found myself naturally spitting game at times. My energy and mood have both drastically improved and I have broken my squat and deadlift records this week. I am going to try for 3 weeks this time. Would highly recommend abstaining from masturbating.
I’ve found myself just not giving a fuck about things. Gave my membership card to the lady at the front desk of my gym yesterday to swipe me in. Stared her dead in the eyes, then stared at her tits, then back at her eyes again. Getting a boner just thinking about those tits….
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I don’t think men should marry when they’re in the throes of initial chemical attraction, either. In my opinion, if you haven’t already completed the “in love” stage in the more colloquial sense – the chemical state of the brain that’s essentially a drug hit – then it’s probably too early to marry. Not that your spouse doesn’t still make you feel good and happy, but I wouldn’t even enter a contract while high, much less a marriage while still infatuated. But then, I wasn’t asked to make an argument about men.
There’s a reason why “infatuated” and “fatuous” have the same root word.
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In a slightly different trajectory to many here. Was married for 9 years, in a relationship with her for 6 years before that. My experience with women was limited – my wife was my only serious relationship (we met at university).
My wife died a year ago, leaving me a single father. Having never played the dating game in any real sense, being a single father, has left me feeling at a loss about how to approach and understand women.
I see that game has something to offer. I will use it to help my son too as he grows – make sure he is not an a beta track when he hits adolescence.
Unlike many here, I do want a LTR/marriage again. But I want it on my terms. Game is part of the solution, even though I don’t want a series of one nighters.
I’m healthy. I have a good education and earn a comfortable living. But despite the so-called “man drought” I just don’t meet enough women and when I do my history puts them off. How to progress from here?
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“Well, for one thing, women are complementary to men. That’s part of their differences.”
As much as men would like to think of it that way, women tend to behave competitively to men, and in actuality are a subset of men. This naive enthusiasm about women is what got men in this place
“There’s a reason why “infatuated” and “fatuous” have the same root word.”
and there’s a reason why love doesn’t seem to have a precise definition. Marrying for love, what else has the american society been doing for this long?
“Contrary to the propaganda you sometimes find here, alimony per se has been severely curtailed in almost all jurisdictions. ”
and where did you hear this?
funnily enough, this video were posted on this very blog’s comment sections:
notice the self-righteousness of women in the video?
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“What exactly does marriage offer to guys like us who have the tools to meet, fuck and love women?”
a nuclear family.
If you don’t want that – then don’t go there.
[Editor: I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the nuclear family’s been taking a bit of a hit lately.]
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Men who want to have children and a stable family (if they want children or not) should very seriously consider emigrating somewhere, anywhere where the law does not completely, ruthlessly and unjustly thoroughly rape them whilst cultural forces push for unsatisfying, unstable and unrewarding relationships.
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“[Editor: I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the nuclear family’s been taking a bit of a hit lately.]”
I didn’t say it wasn’t a risk. But you asked what marriage offers: It creates a nuclear family.
[Editor: The institution of marriage as it is constituted today does a poor job of creating, and more importantly, sustaining a nuclear family.]
Creating family is risky. Divorce is just one risk.
[It isn’t bravery or courage to step in the path of a speeding train.]
Other risks are more potentially horrible. For example, one’s kids could die young.
[Shit happens. But marriage is an avoidable shit.]
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A risk that is at 50% currently, that you should do everything humanly possible to avoid, because criminals and psychotics are born from the womb of divorce.
And you’re not seeing your kids as a man, never get to be involved in their lives properly, whilst still paying for them. Which means you can’t try again.
Don’t take it lightly.
It will ruin your life, and your kids’ life.
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Preach it brother.
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Julian
“he will suddenly see women in their early 20s hitting on him, late teens eyeing him and of course women much older. btw guys when you perceive that moment in all of it’s radiant clarity it is a beautiful thing”
it is indeed, and being married only stops a small percentage of the eyeing, let me tell you
my trajectory was: natural, options, selective bangs, pretty good mate, kids, and peaking now in mid-forties. I could play at 8 definitely but don’t think it’s worth the time, hassle, and risk, let alone honor and religion
I play at game now for kicks and dammit if it still doesn’t work great — attitude I am already passing on to my sons, who will face a more detestable field than I did
roissy taps a vein of truth here. it isn’t the whole truth, but it’s potent
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Roissy, do you consider yourself a narcissist or do you think there is any external benefit to leading the life you suggest?
(For the record I have nothing against narcissism. I ask this out of sincere curiosity and without judgment.)
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“A risk.”
If I jump off a building, there’s a risk I might die.
There’s a risk that I might live, but with a lifelong horrible miserable crippling condition.
There’s a risk I might land just right so that there isn’t enough permanent damage, and I hit some unlikely part of my neurological circuit that makes me deleriously happy all the time.
That is the risk with modern marriage for a man.
There’s a high risk of souldestroying divorce.
There’s a high risk of souldestroying dissatisfaction.
There’s a very low risk of it actually working out happily.
You just wouldn’t jump off a building with those odds.
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“But you asked what marriage offers: It creates a nuclear family. ”
It used to be, just like it used to be a link between two families rather than two individuals.
Now it’s a security blanket for women and a wedding day to savor.
“Creating family is risky. Divorce is just one risk.”
are you fucking dumb?
“Other risks are more potentially horrible. For example, one’s kids could die young.”
yeah and that’s why we don’t live in jungles anymore.
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“But he said leave me alone
I’m a family man
And my bark is much worse
Than my bite
He said leave me alone
I’m a family man
But if you push me too far
I just might”
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Part of the reason why people such as Hymowitz are confused about ‘marriage’ has to do with a lack of historical awareness. Historically, in the West, marriage has had far more to do with power/status (i.e. transfer of property and wealth between upper-class families) than with ‘providing an optimal environment for rearing children’ (which is something Hymowitz believes). Throughout feudal Europe the elites used marriage as a strategy to maintain status and/or gain material resources; for everyone else it was an extremely ‘formal arrangement’ with no special emphasis on the ’emotional bonds’ between parents and children.
The genetic legacy of this arrangement is a population which almost certainly does not possess predispositions toward the sort of ‘companionate marriage’ which has become the reality today. Prior to the ‘sexual revolution,’ the essential ‘tit-for-tat’ exchange still took place, with women giving youth/love and men giving resources/fidelity. This is precisely why marriages still survived, even in cases in which couples lived to old age. There is no reason to believe that most men are wired to participate in a marital relationship which is based primarily on emotional connection. This isn’t to say that couples didn’t share strong bonds between each other (and with children, for that matter), just that it is completely ridiculous to believe that the institution of marriage wasn’t centered on this type of exchange.
In addition, it’s very important to consider the context; before, in past ages, it was common to view partnerships and reproduction as matters of duty. Marriages didn’t just represent the union of two isolated, culturally-denuded individuals, they indicated that the ‘tribe’ was continuing forward into the future. In short, marriage was a communal institution, it was collective. This obviously isn’t the case today, because our society has gone down the path of ‘relativism’ and so everything is permissible.
A review of the history of ‘marriage’ outside of the West will further chip away at Hymowitz’s conception of marriage (most cultures have practiced polygamy of some sort).
Anyhow, I think science will eventually prove that there are solid reasons why most men aren’t cut out for the sort of companion-based marriages of today. In Steve Moxon’s great book “The Woman Racket,” Moxon points out that male obsession with the marketplace isn’t just about gaining resources, it is also about securing a ‘rank’ in the male hierarchy. Men instinctively compete with each other for a rank in order to maximize their opportunities for mating success. This is an evolved trait in males; it happens naturally even without conscious effort. Call me crazy, but this doesn’t seem to suggest that emotional compatibility will be at the center of most male/female relationships?
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A big part of what is involved in inhabiting the thing we call “happiness” or even “sanity” is imho figuring out what makes you feel truly alive and then figuring out ways to get away with doing a lot of it. And, late at night, being honest with yourself about the nature of the choices you make.
I have spent a lot of time on various race-tracks with a helmet on. When I was a kid, I dreamed of doing it and when I got there in person I discovered that I quite simply loved almost everything about it. Lots of guys have that experience. Then you start seeing your friends getting rides in ambulances. So you start to think that staying safe is a very good thing. Then you realize that if staying safe was such a priority then why the fuck are you going out there at all? Your actual priority is to win if you are like 110% of everyone else out there. However, winning means that you do the best job of getting near The Edge of your safety margins without going over. But where is the “safety” in that scenario? My young brain began to swim. Thoughts like that can go round and round like a rat in a circular cage.
By and by, it occurred to me that I kept going out there because it was simply a deep and authentic part of who I was and that I should not fight against it. But neither did I want to bleed a lot if it could be avoided. So — do what had to be done while nonetheless dodging when the time came to dodge . And no self pity when you do get hit by something.
This is more or less how I think of going with women. But if a guy knows how he thrives in a stable family unit I would tell him to go for it. You are going to get smashed by something soon enough and in the meantime you might stay lucky for a long time.
It is not like we are going to get out of here alive no matter what we choose.
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“die post-coitus from a heart attack. Leave the world alone to enter a void of nothingness”
The explanatory gap is the claim that consciousness and human experiences such as qualia cannot be fully explained only by physical mechanical processes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_gap
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What is wrong with having the best of both worlds? You know, marriage + a goomah.
http://uk.askmen.com/money/mafioso_200/218_mafia.html
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When I look back at the sheer hell of my “forever alone” 20’s – the callous way the few girlfriends I had stayed celibate with me but banged the next guy they met – I realise that the ONLY thing that ever changed this for me was using game.
E.g. – not really being very attracted to a woman I was flirting with (not caring about the outcome) led to her dumping her boyfriend and me finally losing my virginity.
Grabbing a hot chick in bar and drunkenly dancing with her and kissing her led to a fantastic passionate affair with a married woman. For years after this I never understood what worked and how I did that in order to get that to happen again. Thanks to game blogs now I know.
When I had a relationship end with a girlfriend developing utter contempt for me – after having been completely in love a few months before – I wanted to learn how to get control of this part of my life.
Game is the only thing that works. You’re happier and she is much happier.
Following women’s advice is always a bad idea. Watch what they actually do.
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legalistic ass-rogering
For the love of God people, it’s spelled “roguring”.
“Rogering” sounds like some jolly pirate gag.
I have worked tirelessly to bring “rogure” back into the lexicon, please use it wisely.
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Make no mistake, Game really works. And it is possible, highly so, that a man can have as many young women as he wants, till late middle age at least, by following it.
However, marriage is needed for the survival of our society. Otherwise, we’re facing a world of surging Islam, and feral bastards, without father figures, running amok in the larger cities. The results won’t be pretty.
I hate the feminists and liberals for making marriage such a bad idea nowadays. Men can’t be blamed for avoiding it.
Still, in the long run, if the institution of marriage continues to crumble, then the West is finished.
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Expat,
Wife+goomah was the traditional solution for a lot of men throughout history. And the best thing was that the wife and kids knew that the head of the family would never leave them, despite his little indiscretions.
Wouldn’t approve of it myself though. Marriage and family for myself, I reckon, and I’ll keep the Playboy subscription. Wouldn’t like the idea of illegitimate offspring: There’s too many of them in the world as it is, and they’re screwing things up.
It’s the beta route, no doubt, but at least my DNA will have a shot at survival through the generations. That’s why we’re here, anyway.
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@DeAngelo fan: So apparently David DeAngelo is getting married:”
Lol; apparently he is marrying a shrink transsexual he met at burning man. At least she ain’t fat:
http://annielalla.com/
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I wish I had enough testosterone to have Annie Lalla’s jawline. Fuck.
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lol @ “in harem” status update.
“Amy, along with Amber, Susan, and Heather, is in David’s harem and it’s complicated.”
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What is it with Jews (e.g. Hymowitz) and shameless self promotion ?
Hymowitz’s work sounds more like an opinion piece backed up with references to make it sound and seem academic.
Dig deep enough and you can find academic literature and statistics to put a case forth for virtually ANYTHING.
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Incidentally, I’m digging _Dodsworth_.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027532/
Story’s about an industrialist and his flaky wife, how she basically goes feral and breaks the marriage up, then he finds a decent woman while she loses out..
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“a nuclear family”
Sure. Until your wife leaves you to go EatPrayLove and takes your kids and a huge chunk of your income with her, with the full backing of the police and the court system.
And God help you if you get laid off or lose your job and you can’t make the child support payments for the kids you never get to see — who your ex-wife is probably brainwashing into hating you anyway.
FWIW, I know a few happily married men. But I know a lot more men who are either A. unhappily married, or B. ruined thanks to the divorce regime and the family courts. And I am a numbers man.
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nathan drake, Roissy and Vince Lombardi combined:
Love and sticking your beef whistle in a warm vaj aren’t everything, there’re the only thing.
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Listen to any shows put out by Tom Leykis for more reasons why marriage is BAD for men, and the stupidest thing you can ever do in life.
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Another brilliant post from Gods’ gift to women himself. The man who knows everything about women everywhere! And of course the sycophants pile on, lauding every turd floating in the porcelain bowl…
I’d swear a woman writes these posts – does a guy, an alpha no less, sit down and write this shit in his spare time?
Guess it’s just a sign of the times.
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Cap’n Bob,
You’re right, some men have been following this model for centuries. Ironic, too, because roissy thinks he’s beating the feminists by refusing to marry when, in fact, he’s falling right into their trap.
Donald Trump figured it out the hard way. You design a solid prenump with a specified amount of cash to be given to the woman in the event of a divorce. You then throw in a bunch of legalese that allows for infidelity. Problem solved.
Get a good lawyer to design the prenump and you’re golden!
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Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?
@44
Because alphas have spare time to spend on hobbies they actually like, instead of going shopping or wasting time being an emotional tampon like yourself. Your thinly veiled envy and cliche arguments are inane.
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the bill of men’s rights
lzozllzllzl every man shall have the right to
1) a womenz who hasth been butthexed less than 4 times
2) said 4 times not being done in the same night nor two consecutive nights niether lzozlzl
3) said butthexing events not being secretly taped without her conthent
4) no woman shall have a right to her husbands assetts if he comes home and finds her banging the poolboy ontop of his ps3 controller, thusly damaging said controller lzozl that would suck
5) wehnu ask a women how many poeple she has been with it wil be law that she will have to verbally multiply her anser by 10, and then add at least half the ass cocking sesssions which still count as sexth in certain religions lzozlzlzl
6) no man shall be made to fund a pussy that it out banging biker drummer cock, nor shall any man be made to pay for past use of a pussy lzozlzlzlz
i think that if we can pass this men’;s bill of rights into law, 90% of marriages will last lzozl.zlzlzlzlzl lzozllz which is why the butthex congreth and fiat masters will rail against my sublime logic reason phsilophy and religion lzozlzlzzl
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For the typical man, game is probably the most powerful weapon in his arsenal of seduction that he has at his disposal.
Key word “weapon” which just makes you, Roissy, one of a jillion losers. And you thought you were somehow….um….unique? LMFAO
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and u will read:
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44 , I feel confident that I would be speaking on behalf of most, if not all posters here by saying…
Go Fuck Yourself.
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This may sound a bit silly, but I recently met an interesting girl who works part-time as a dancer at a strip club and I think she’s not only attractive, but funny and intelligent….do you think it’s possible to actually date a strip club dancer, or is this a terrible idea?
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Milton wrote: “Do you realize that if you ask 100 elderly men about their most treasured accomplishment in life, 99 will answer “my family and my children”?
I’ve asked that question of dozens of men aged 70 and over, and they almost always say the same thing. Even if their kids are “delinquents”, they are still preferred to a lifetime of cheap sex.”
That’s because old guys these days didn’t live during an era like now where there are so many options for awesome cheap sex, not to mention that divorce was less prevalent earlier in their lives. Talk to old guys 30 or 40 years from now.
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@ Sam,
Go out with the stripper if for no other reason than the afterparties.
I almost exclusively date ex-strippers, but I think I’ve only dated active strippers twice. Its great when you’re the guy who shows up at the club and the naked chick on stage screams out your name and give you a big hug, while you are safe in the knowledge that you get to bang her afterward when other guys are paying just to see her naked.
Also, the hypergamy is in full-force when the other strippers know you are banging one of their stripper sisters, and most strippers these days are into group sex so …
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All marriages that end in divorce doesn’t result in alimony being paid (about 14%, a lot of people probably don’t have much to split, everyone doesn’t own a home). I would only think alimony would be paid for a period of time, if one of the spouses had been a stay at home parent. Child custoday (in particular) and child support I do concur that men most definitely get the short end of the deal on those two issues. I really don’t see how marriage itself is such a great deal for women either, though.
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Marriage is for the alpha male to raise boys into men. It is a form of life-extension.
Do you want all of your alpha knowledge to die at your last breath? Or, do you want to take a boy coming from your own genes to continue shining the beacon of manliness?
If aliens, either extra-terrestrial, or extra-latino or extra-islamical, attack us, who is going to ensure the existance of the human race?
It will not be the beta boys and the mothers who raised them. It will be the alpha men who were raised by alpha fathers who know how to fight for survival.
But, if you are selfish and do not give a shit about the continuation of the human race, by all means, live a life that has no offspring. That is your choice.
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@sam – most intelligent strippers one encounters in NYC at least are Lesbians, who are good at imitating real interest in men. Better, that is to say, than heterosexual women, who do pretty bad imitations of real interest.
So yes, enjoy yourself, but remember that in intimate situations she’s probably fantasizing that you’re a bulldyke.
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@A.B. Dada,
I’m ordering that shirt next week, lol
Question for everyone else:
My number’s at 16, I’m 23, in college would you consider that on the path of alpha, or no?
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Roissy writes:
[Editor: PRECISELY nathan. That’s why I say love — and sticking your beef whistle in a warm vaj — are the only things in this world that aren’t bullshit.]
Nah. That’s absurd. No need to exaggerate.
For example. I just finished reading Charles Willeford’s Hoke Moseley novels. Some of the best time I’ve spent in years, and neither love nor vag.
Further. Spent a couple hours the other evening lifting weights, heavy. Grilled a huge burger after that, had a few small viscous shots of frozen vodka. Not love, not vag, not bullshit.
Finally. In friendship, in humor, and in merely sitting here and breathing there is often real sugar.
So, while your advice about not getting duped by bad marriages and gamelessness is correct, there’s no need to imagine that one note on the beef whistle, nor all the pleasures of love, are all you know, and all you need to know.
I’ve often found that one of the best things about a good lay is what you do after you roll off.
Not everybody sleeps.
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As a lesson to any of you guys who think that truth lies on one particular side of the political divide, here’s a great take down of the conservative Hymowitz at, of all places, the Huffington Post:
Sound familiar? And remember, this is the freaking Huffington Post. A site were 99 out of 100 posts are absolute nonsense. Here’s more:
The whole thing is worth a read.
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I know and agree with everything.
But I still believe with all my heart in true love. And I am willing to save myself and wait for him.
Simple as that.
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Thanks Roissy. I kinda needed this today.
Funny you should mention the hot cashier at the supermarket…
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Time and time again, your posts please me. ;D
I do want to comment on something important –
Game is not a cure for the inability to enjoy your life. Just because you can now pull pussy 20 years younger then you doesn’t mean you understand the actual meta.
While I think your correct in the posture of how you present the strategy for obtaining the women you want, I wonder how many fellow Chateau members know that regardless of your choice…
Your still settling.
You still fighting a gradient of perfection eclipsed against an ever adjusting multi-dimensional plane of wants and needs, and like all other humans you (and her) lack the ability to lay out all of the things you want, and enjoy them in a way you find meaningful.
It’s the ability to enjoy new and greater things, not just women, that provides the addictive and subconscious ways of being that attract all people, not just girls.
Alpha, beta, give a shit if you want, but remember…
It’s winners that win. Its the fun that have the fun.
Everything else is convoluted!
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Great Post! Best thing I read all day ( and I read manythings today.)
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JR the thing is worth a read.
But Asghar loses it when he advises women to ride the cock carousel and then get married to a beta at age 30. That’s a recipe for divorce. She’ll never love/respect the guy (for being the beta she settled for instead of the Alpha Asshole Bad Boy she loved). And in turn he’ll know it. Being a safety pick is not a basis for marriage.
Besides any guy with any game and attractiveness will be banging much younger, hotter, nicer, fewer partner, and less baggage women. The betas will probably be at the point that porn with young women beats a cougar in training, at least for anything besides sex without marriage. A woman loses her beauty rapidly, and Jane Average loses it quicker these days than she thinks.
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I went down the beta route. In all the ways Roissy describes I was screwed or else am being offered up with the sloppy seconds and thirds that he also describes with remarkable accuracy for the post-divorced fellow. I see no reason to accept society’s offer.
Having said that, I did gain one thing from this that I wouldn’t give back or change: my 2 children.
I think these two things are simultaneously true: knowing my two children and what they mean to me, if I had it to do again, would I? Yes.
But – if you haven’t had kids, should you get married, even if you really want kids? No, even from my perch of existential satisfaction with fatherhood, I cannot advise anyone to do it.
Men should consider marriage when marriage laws are rewritten to bring back fault so that if either spouse cheats, beats, abuses or gives up, the other spouse walks away with the kids.
That dose of reality would both reduce the fueled-by-fairy-tale marriage industrial complex while also making for more solid marriages.
As long as there is “no fault” divorce, men are standing in line to walk into the gates of their own personal hell if they continue to marry. The words flow so easily, its sad more life can’t be breathed into them.
Has the closest person to you died? If she or he did, did the next closest person to you die six months later? If she or he did, did someone else close to you have tragedy visited upon them six months later?
If so, then you have experienced something similar to the hell that is divorce. Don’t marry.
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“Other risks are more potentially horrible. For example, one’s kids could die young.”
“yeah and that’s why we don’t live in jungles anymore.”
Some of us know people who have lost children to illness.
Count yourself lucky if nobody you know has experienced this type of tragedy.
I don’t know why you are being combative — it’s an obvious answer — what does one gain from marriage? Answer: a nuclear family.
If you don’t want a nuclear family then you should NOT get married. Many people do not want one – nuclear families and rug rats are a lot of work and bring tons of potential problems like university costs, nagging in-laws, and crying babies.
I don’t blame anybody for not wanting a nuclear family. And some people have large extended families and don’t want or need a nuclear family.
But if you want a nuclear family — well, then marriage creates a nuclear family – it creates kin.
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I had a dream a few nights ago. I was watching a round table debate on the state of marriage and the sexual marketplace as it exists today. There was a special guest there who had just come out with a new book and until then, was only known through the internet by one name: Roissy. Despite the scene initially resembling something of a pack of lionesses cornering a honey badger, this innocuous-looking man proceeded to dismantle the verbal onslaught confronting him. Bit by bit, the joke that is feminism and the noise that travels with it had been silenced by the guest’s sole weapon of choice: the cold, hard, and ugly truth.
I woke up feeling like Pinocchio for the first time ever.
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“Has the closest person to you died? If she or he did, did the next closest person to you die six months later? If she or he did, did someone else close to you have tragedy visited upon them six months later?
If so, then you have experienced something similar to the hell that is divorce. Don’t marry.”
You mean that you think it would have been just as hard to watch your children die?
If that’s the case, I don’t understand why would you say then that you would do it again.
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“You mean that you think it would have been just as hard to watch your children die?
“If that’s the case, I don’t understand why would you say then that you would do it again.”
OHFG, you are just SF clever. Someone hand this guy a cookie!
My point is to ask you to think about this for yourself, not to describe how I feel about my kids.
I project myself into the position of someone who doesn’t have kids, but would like to have them.
If you are such a person – you have friends, family, loved ones – a wife or girlfriend even.
I am saying that for you – getting divorced and facing the prospect of losing your children in the divorce – DID YOU GET THAT a$$wipe? – facing the prospect of having your children taken from you by a disinterested court that would hand them to a wicked crazy ex-wife from hell who wouldn’t drop a dime to make them suffer in order to punish you — enduring that is like having your closest ones die, it is that difficult and that painful.
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[Editor: The institution of marriage as it is constituted today does a poor job of creating, and more importantly, sustaining a nuclear family.]
true that. you know the odds, and they aren’t good. what – over a 50% divorce rate? But it’s the only way to get a nuclear family — parents, kids, one household. (I’m including common-law marriage, not just state-sanctioned marriage.)
Creating family is risky. Divorce is just one risk.
[It isn’t bravery or courage to step in the path of a speeding train.]
I agree. But you don’t want it. Which is quite rational. Squalling rug rats, ect. If, however, somebody wants it, and doesn’t go after it because of the risk…
Other risks are more potentially horrible. For example, one’s kids could die young.
[Shit happens. But marriage is an avoidable shit.]
agreed, with the caveat that not all marriages are shit.
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Jalepeno,
apologize for offending. The kids being used this way is horrible.
I thought that’s what you were saying, and I was honestly curious if that was your opinion.
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Ok, now here’s the 21st century progression of life events for the man who knows game and uses it to successfully meet women
Fuck the fuck, I don’t want to be this protozoan.
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Asghar is of the wrong generation to really understand the full, horrible implications of the word “hypergamy” – for the maintenance of stable families.
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This is just as brainwashing as a feminist posting
Firs, the statistics are screwed- up. There is a 50% of divorce chance in a society where most men are beta.
We need to compare statistics of a divorce percentage between alfa+woman and beta+woman marriages. Sadly such a thing is not available. But if you are an alfa than your chance of failure is not 50% it is lower. If you live in alfa society than this chance is close to 0.
Having a ton of one night stands just empovers feminists and women who want to ride the cock courusel. In a feminist society, “players” are mere pawns. Try to be a player in a muslim country, if you think you are so great.
Roissy for all your smarts, if you cant come up with an ultimate game strategy – how to have a faithful, low maintenance wife, who doesn’t mind her man to occasionally fuck other women and who gives to a man several sons to inherit his genes and whom he could rise as his continuation, than you are just a mediocrity.
Picking up slutty femi-brainwashed women on street or in bars – is that your achievement? Dude, feminism has done all the work for you. It is it who has seduced stupid women to sleep with you. Not you! You are just a pawn. You and those women you sleep with are brainwashed to fuck without meaning, have no children or have bastards with criminal tendencies and die!
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Holy hell, a lot of comments this day.
A word of advice for all those asking – what sort of man are you?
I’m a natural born Rake – a passionate, hopeless romantic, that desperately craves the taste of every furry flower I meet! I don’t play indifference game; I hold back and tease them, while letting my eyes say that Goatboy will have them. As Fritz the Cat would say, “I’ve fought many a good man, and loved many a good woman!”
My Achilles heel? I can’t fuck the stupids. Good lord, I just can’t stand them. Don’t understand the basics of mathematics? Don’t know who Marlon Brando is? Get the fuck off me. This is a frustrating handicap – a motorcycle accident would probably improve my game.
So, my question to all of you having trouble – what sort of man are you? And what sort of woman are you looking for?
It’s not a competition. Go have 100 nights of love with a beautiful, brilliant brunette – or go have 100 nights with 100-strong bevy blonde bimbos.
Have some fucking fun, and stop wasting time on the worthless!
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For anyone who thinks “so what” about Ms. Hymowitz’s Wall Street Journal sponsored attack on mid-forties men who she wants to pretend are unattractive to younger women (balding and getting beer guts), here is the real danger of this not-so-hidden anger at men who date younger women:
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-simi-valley-sex-minor,0,1238674.story
She was 17 but the story reads like she was 12 and there are a lot of young mangina males commenting like rabid fems (they don’t know better).
And where’s the proof of sex having happened? The feminist police state doesn’t need that. A friendship with a younger woman will suffice to put a man in jail.
Look at the fellow citizens writing “Eat blank and die” to a woman who says she knows the guy and he is a pillar of his community (which he probably is, his status as a great guy and prominent businessman would have attracted the young woman).
Modern California is like the world described in “1984”.
An entire California TV station is gleefully trying to destroy a man’s life because the age of consent in California is 18 and not 16 like most everywhere else.
What he did is normal for those who intend to date 18-21 year olds (because the 17 year olds will lie themselves into that category).
Also, he could have easily believed she was 19 after she told him that. To this TV station and the California police, that wouldn’t matter.
I didn’t know it was that bad in California now. I assumed that doing a 17 year old got you a citation in California if proof was found, but not jail-time and TV station sponsored character assassination (the TV station does business with corporations that do advertising).
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interesting HUGUENIN, interesting
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This is a man’s world. The only power women have is the power that men collectively give to them. The power that men give them is based upon a skewed view of equality and probably flavored by a desire not to offend the keepers of the puss. The reality, as this site demonstrates, is that women really aren’t the keepers after all. If the betas in this country would start acting a bit more alpha, we could turn it around. Omegas should just be fodder for public contempt and humiliation. I mean you fatty.
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From now on, I’m going to follow Aurini’s lead and be more selective. However, since billiant brunettes – or brilliant blondes or brilliant redheads, for that matter – are truly impossible to find around Tampa, I’m gonna focus on strictly having sex with beings that are at least somewhat more plentiful around here than brilliant women:
from now on, I’m only having sex with Loch Ness Monsters.
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I suggest a slightly different path, a modification of Option 2. It’s the one I’ve taken, almost by accident.
I spent my 20s riding the vaj carousel all around the world while accumulating a lot of adventures of all sorts. In my early 30s my number came up, as it was bound to eventually: I knocked up one of the sows.
She was a head-case, I was well aware, but she was hot and the family, which loved me, is well-connected. So she popped out an heir and a spare in under 3 years (bitch be fertile!). Then I made my raging infidelity so obvious she could no longer ignore it and she left. Mission accomplished!
Of course she has the kids most of the time – that is the law, my friends – but, because she is an idiot and I have an excellent lawyer, she got nothing really in the divorce (I kept the house) and even the child support is more than manageable. She is a bitter shrew now, of course, but my sons were gonna be playas anyway – must be a genetic component looking at my family tree – and her bitchiness just will accelerate and intensify that. So I get to be a part-time dad, allowing me ample free time to travel and pursue the crimson arts on a global basis.
So I run MLTRs (average of 3 at a time) and engage pussy everywhere I go: it’s pretty ideal. And I get the joy of fatherhood on a part-time basis; of course the boys much prefer spending time with the cool dad than with everyday boring (and now fat) mom.
Best of both worlds, in all. Men who do not want kids (let’s be honest: sons) are lying to themselves. But of course we want vaj by the busload too. You CAN have it all. This way, your tales of debauchery in the home when you’re 87 will be puncuated by visits from your kids and their kids. That, and the hot Ukrainian nurses, will make it decent till your Viking ship sendoff.
BTW, apropos some comment I saw, I have a good storyline – cool job, lots of travel, military vet, always on the go – and let me assure you that what I mostly talk about with the boys is pussy, ie the ceaseless acquisition of. It’s men’s natural topic du (every) jour. And a combat vet who talks about war too much is a dork and probably a poseur. Gab on the twat, it’s what you’re supposed to do, it’s what you know the cavemen were talking about around the fire 20,000 years ago; preferably you are trading Game secrets to help out your buddies.
P.S. I have two more kids, by other men’s wives, whoops … what they don’t know can’t hurt them too much. If you wondered what kinds of men are knocking up married women, look no further. And, yes, the women wanted this, one even tricked me. Hypergamy indeed.
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An article citing Hymowitz is here. http://thecareerist.typepad.com/thecareerist/2011/02/good-men-gone.html
I commented, and mentioned this post and its comments, and invite others to join.
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Just wondering what people’s working definition of “hypergamy” is. It seems that Chateau readers have repurposed the word to mean something like “women who pursue greater and greater shades of alpha men” which I take operates on this site’s definition of “alpha” being men with game. So it doesn’t have anything to do with marriage or social class anymore?
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Manstein: You are a total sleazeball but you are so money, baby. Work it, and work it more until you drop, bro.
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Gorbachev
The misogyny canard should be laughed at. Treated dismissively. Misogyny, misogyny, misogyny. It’s applied by feminists to any criticism of feminism or it’s fruits.
It’s applied by feminists to any male taking of the red pill re: women and feminism.
It’s applied by feminists to any male taking back power from feminist culture and shibboleths.
It’s applied by radical feminists to any male dominant sexuality, particularly when men advocate it to other men, rather than simply practice it with oh so willing hot and cute chicks.
Yeah there is genuine misogyny about in the manosphere. It’s overwhelmingly expressed by bitter bets. Of divorced men who’ve been emotionally and financially ass raped by their ex-wifes, who’ve also torn their kids from them. Or by bitter betas look at what’s happened to divorced guys they know, and/or who haven’t learned game, and some of whom, omegas generally, who don’t want to or if truth be known despair about doing so and getting sex on decent terms with attractive girls. These make up a lot of the MGTOW crowd (men going their own way).
I understand all this and sympathize to a considerable degree. But it’s not the way to be a winner. Or to make the most of the current situation. Which is to learn game, or better game.
Alphas at whatever level aren’t misogynists. Or if they are, that kind of misogyny is greatly needed. We need lots more of it as antithesis, to reach a decent synthesis with all the rampant feminist misandry in out culture.
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@Ben Runkle
You’ve got a good start man- 16 aint bad, and by discovering Game at this early point in your life you’re setting yourself up for great success with women in the future. Play on playa, embrace the path of the alpha.
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Askjoe
Sure, if you want to plant rocks in Afcrapistan. Wherever the technological factors that allowed for feminism are widely available, religion will make little difference.
Culture is not a strong motivator or dis-incentive, relative to opportunities, such as money and status and freedom and sex.
You don’t have to take my word for it. Look how any society changes with the introduction of the pill and education and work opportunities and relocation abilities for young women. Muslims are not immune – they are merely isolated.
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Gorbachev–
My kind of guy.
(Though I would “in extremis”. I just wouldn’t make a habit of it.)
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Rollo
As I’ve said many times, society IS women.
Consider the lion. If I remember correctly, young males are outcast from the pride, wander as individuals (something the females never do), then must find acceptance through somehow proving themselves worthy into a different pride. The females make the choice in the new pride.
Correct me if my vague memory is wrong. If correct, you’ll see parallels in human society. Only the males ever truly individuate, and the females are the group mind, that dictates the rules of social acceptance.
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Gorb–
Tell her you love being what she considers a disgusting misogynistic pig. It pleases you.
In my opinion you should run game on your sister, in a way. Of course not sex vibe game. But cocky, don’t give a shit, dominance game.
And also tell her you can no longer stand anything but basic feminism. It’s massively misandrous and a raw deal for men. This garbage about being with a girl 10 years younger is a massive crock of aging feminist bullshiite.
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Anonymous–
No.
Though there’s something a bit suspicious about WANTING to be monogamous forever after. Not for wanting to be monogamous during a period of mutual infatuation (though always at least a little more intense on her side if you don’t want betazation to set in).
Personally I believe in a bit of a double standard at least for alphas, after awhile. And being open about that and getting her to agree. Well also threesomes w/her from time to time. However with her veto over any particular girl or any particular fling that she feels is getting too threatening and intense. W/the understanding that she isn’t supposed to apply that as a blanket veto all the time. Sexualize her jealousy into a kind of masochistic thrill. It can be done, at least with some/many girls.
Our current American feminist culture is of course more against this than any in history, so yeah it’s a challenge.
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Ben Runkle
If all but 2 or 3 were 6’s and above, the yes.
Especially if you’ve got some 7s and 8s in there. If you’ve got a 9 in there, hells yeah.
Always room for improvement on how quickly and how reliably you can get an ever increasing proportion of really hot girls.
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“Ben Runkle
Question for everyone else:
My number’s at 16, I’m 23, in college would you consider that on the path of alpha, or no?”
I’m 22 and my number is in the 30’s. I have friends who are shocked by this and question my morals. I tell them to fuck off with their morals. i’m a hedonist and athethiest and don’t care.
I have a friend who is 23 and his # is in the 70’s. He doesn’t even like most of the girls he bangs he just does it for the ego gratification, and he rarely bangs the same girl twice. Once he banged 4 girls in one day. Once he ate 9 vag’s in one week. he’s got decent game but mostly its his good looks, status and soberness that gets him laid.
I have another freind who is well above 200. He likes banging chicks in alleyways and then detailing the stories on the interweb. He has great game, but also dresses like a criss angel and will bang whoever crosses his path.
I would say that the number of girls you have banged in your lifetime is important only to you, and that comparing it to someone else is always going to make you feel inferior.
That being said, 16 @ 23 is probably well above average for your weightclass, but by no means alpha.
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Obviously this issue has been around for thousands of years (rome had a bachelor tax) but the equation was different.
The reward of marriage should be a young and virginal woman who will be your own. With no history of random facials, porn movies, etc… as is de regeur among masochistic college girls. Why marry a woman who would be historically classed as a prostitute?
There should be no risk of open season litigation for getting married.
That’s the problem with the equation. Wifey should be young, maternal, feminine, know how to keep house, raise kids, maintain sanity and be unspoiled. That’s a price worth paying. A bitchy whoreis not appealing and not worth the shackles or litigation risk. Proper wifey material under a prenup is.
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Ben Runkle.
College at 23??
You are spending too much energy on chasing new poon, get yourself 2 good looking FWB’s for regular sex and study so you can graduate before you are 30.
You can return to mounting everything in neighborhood AFTER you have a full time job.
That’s your alpha plan.
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Not interested in sex with women I don’t even like. I don’t much care for panties that still have a crust on it from when I wasn’t there on Tuesday. So I just can’t quite do Cad. I am quite sure that this is stronger in me since I have no interest in hereto porn that otherwise seems quite popular.
Though I knew something was up in my twenties. Most men seemed afraid of their girlfriends. I will never forget the looks on their faces when they just expected me to panic when my then girlfriend decided to part early(which of course I knew was not an issue). Is it any surprise what a virulence of hyena culture we have now? Beady little, fearful eyes like olives on meat ground up for a Morlock’s palate.
Its not just banging women. Its the circumstances which the sexual gratification is received. I got lots of sex from a hot 18-21 year old girl when I was the same age, and I certainly do not hold that part of my life in high esteem, until perhaps the last year when the power balance shifted. Amazing in many ways that the highlight I reflect upon is dumping her.
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@Bhetti
[blockquote](Divorce is)
A risk that is at 50% currently, that you should do everything humanly possible to avoid, because criminals and psychotics are born from the womb of divorce.
And you’re not seeing your kids as a man, never get to be involved in their lives properly, whilst still paying for them. Which means you can’t try again.
Don’t take it lightly.
It will ruin your life, and your kids’ life.
[/blockquote]
The 50% divorce rate is way overstated, especially for older folks. If you’re past 24, it’s no longer nearly that high. The longer you last in a marriage, the less likely it will happen. So don’t tell someone with 10 years under their belt that they have a 50% chance of divorce. It’s simply not true. This 50% is skewed greatly by Black women and women under 20, for example. If you marry an Asian woman who is over 25, you have about an 80% chance of making it 16 years (long enough to have kids reach an age where you won’t lose them and you won’t support them for long). Other races and cases are different. But if you last the first five years, you’re just about good to go.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad323.pdf
Also, from:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=363986
Age at marriage for those who divorce in the United States
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Age Women Men
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Under 20 years old 27.6% 11.7%
20 to 24 years old 36.6% 38.8%
25 to 29 years old 16.4% 22.3%
30 to 34 years old 8.5% 11.6%
35 to 39 years old 5.1% 6.5%
So marry an older white woman and you’re good for life.
[Editor: Who the hell thinks it’s a prize to marry a has-been cougar? Oh yeah… betas.]
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As an Addendum to my last post, I consider all this to be about fear of women. Its is about the fear of approaching, the fear of their rejection, the fear of what they will say, the fear of what they will do, and the fear of crossing them. At the arrival of a resident bitch, how often do we see a pack of men condescend have fear of her bitchiness? Game is over coming your fear of women.
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Roissy, Ben Franklin (a player in his day) gave advice for young men to seek older women for sex:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/24/letter-from-ben-franklin-gives-advice-on-dating-older-women/
This is an old saw, but what do you think? He makes some points you have made–older women becoming more pliant and agreeable (re: resgined to betas), less fertile, and more grateful.
Then again, he contradicts you because he says that the sexual experience with them is the same as with young women.
Of course, Franklin could be getting rid of young competition by giving them old hags.
What do you think?
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@Science
“And/or donate sperm. Do it while you’re young though; you need highly motile sperm for those banks to accept your shizz.”
No f’n way. Who will it go to? Either a pair of feminist dykes or an aging probably single ex-carousel rider. Neither will raise the type of children this world needs.
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It was a joke, dipshit. But thanks for policing the forum.
haha – damn fine mascots, too. They should change it
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@JAFO
Who cares? How they’re raised is totally irrelevant. Your sperm is out there, thats the point, and thats all that matters. You’re looking at it all wrong.
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One of the most cogent posts I’ve ever read here.
You nailed it.
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Kickass post!
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Julian
Do you mean find one woman for life? I don’t consider that a middle way at all. That’s rather extreme.
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askjoe
Attempting to shame male hedonism by calling it nihilism is just paleocon’s being lame.
Paleocons and other conservatives deserve having smart college educated men turning to marriageless and childless hedonism in increasing numbers to the increasing severe detriment of the country, until they join the manosphere in the campaign to roll back feminism a whole hell of a lot.
You know like no fault divorce where after SHE cheats and refuses to stop, falls for the other guy and stops sexing her husband, she leaves him and… She gets half his wealth, the house, half his income after tax, in many states if it’s been a ten year or longer marriage, lifetime alimony, all while she’s doing nothing in return and women can work at all levels of careers if and for so long as that’s what they want to do.
Or VAWA, where for the price of a 911 call a live in gf or wife call get a man for sure thrown out of his house that he mostly or entirely paid for, or which he exclusively leases for at least 90 days with not right to even call or text her, for a mere return no injury slap, or just saying something that she claims without evidence made her feel “afraid, oh so afraid.) That isn’t can happen, it’s what always DOES happen if she makes that call.
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RE: All the concerns about the breakdown of family destroying Western society, Muslims out-breeding the West, etc.
Guys, 100 years ago these concerns would have made a lot of sense, but not anymore. The thing is it takes generations for big demographic changes to play out, and there are technologies coming in the next 50 years that will have a much bigger impact than any demographic change. Robots alone will massively change the whole military / economic / social playing field, and that’s just the most predictable example. Significant life extension is also pretty likely, as are wild cards like artificial wombs, designer children and drug treatments to manipulate human sexual instincts.
I can’t begin to predict what society will look like in 50 years, but the one thing I can say is that the USA isn’t going to be a poverty-stricken wasteland of illegal immigrant single mothers raising hordes of young on the government dime while an aging minority of white male wage slaves struggle to support them and their young PUA boyfriends. That vision only makes sense if you assume demographics are the only thing that will change between now and then, and stasis is the one option we can confidently rule out.
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Two women have tried to get pregnant by me.
One was a LTR that didn’t pan out; at the end, she tried double-hard to get pregnant, but I was having none of it. There were one or two episodes where it might have happened, but as luck would have it, no. She was 32 and after a child.
The second was in China: She was obsessed with having a mixed baby, and unconcerned – shockingly – with being a single mom. She also suspected I’d Do The Right Thing and marry her – and stay in China, as she loved Shanghai – but I was leaving.
When women say that they’re morally superior, laugh.
This woman went to absurd lengths to hide the fact that she was desperately trying to get knocked up: right down to specific positions (which she wasn’t usually keen on). It became obvious with some conversation. She denied it, but she forgot I spoke some Chinese and I overheard a conversation or two and it became obvious she was working on getting preggers.
I bailed out of that immediately. It was so dishonest–
But, unsurprising. I know a lot of 30+ women who have nefarious plans to have babies – not a huge number, but a good number. They’ll go to any length to get knocked up by the right guy. Or just get knocked up.
Men: In that situation, you’re JUST A TOOL. And if they can strip you of your resources, they WILL.
Women, feminists included, know this shit. Their usual response:
“Uh. So what?”
And then back to the talk of moral superiority.
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“No f’n way. Who will it go to? Either a pair of feminist dykes or an aging probably single ex-carousel rider. Neither will raise the type of children this world needs.”
Agreed.
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/John_Landon
Soon to follow are stitches in a Ken doll’s crotch. Could you imagine seeing your likeness raised and bonded to dkyes and dateless clinker?
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@Doug1
Gorbachev–
but though he won’t change a diaper
My kind of guy.
(Though I would “in extremis”. I just wouldn’t make a habit of it.)
My brother’s kids are way past that point, in fact getting up there, as he had them young, but he’s clear on his role. He’s the Dad. The Mom does her Mom stuff.
BTW, Mom loves that: she has her role, and it’s often hard, but she has the *power* over that role.
It’s part of her identity.
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“@Science
Who cares? How they’re raised is totally irrelevant. Your sperm is out there, thats the point, and thats all that matters. You’re looking at it all wrong.”
Some mixed drinks don’t go down easy.
http://www.chilloutpoint.com/funny/supersized-me-the-funniest-fat-people-pics.html
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Shaper V, good comment. There must be something in the way minds tend to work that make people extremely resistant to such ideas.
I made a similar comment in July 09, which I copied to my blog; http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/genetic-engineering-and-borg-tech-arms-race/
There is tremendous resistance to including technological change into future forecasts. I’m sure this is a bug in how the mind works – for most people. Some people have an easier time thinking that way.
I think the bohemian class, the artisans, the creative cads, have many cognitive advantages. We not only tend to be uninterested in tradition, but actively think outside the box. Whlle authoritatians for instance deliberately avoid such thoughts.
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A few posts back the subject was the relationship of testosterone to creativity. I posted about that in February 2010 http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/iq-of-the-creative-category-and-testosterone/ and also a comment in the contact page in May 2008 about why I hadn’t been blogging
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You should have read Kay H’s book before calling her out in your blog. Read the book – its not near as anti-game as you may think on first glance.
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> What exactly does marriage offer to guys like us who have
> the tools to meet, fuck and love women?
LEGACY
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Future time orientation – some people think you can never have enough of it. And that no sacrifice is too great.
Some people are so temperamentally geared towards future time orientation that they gravitate towards religious asceticism.
And then such people put it forward as a universal positive trait to marry a mate who is secure.
AT ALL COSTS. Always ignoring the trade-offs with weak hand waves.
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This idea has a million plus 3 holes in it. I won’t even bother pointing them out, because your idea is not even pretending to be rational. You have a primitive emotional impulse, and you give it a word, and call that a reason.
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“PS: Any appeals to nobility or honor will not count as a valid answer. Instead, they will be seen for what they are: a flagrant, flailing attempt to shame men into making choices that further feminists’ interests while undermining men’s interests.”
Money, my man, money. I remember my dad always buying American cars based on national pride. I’ll never give some lazy union scumbags my money and drive a lemon. Funny how a BMW, Acura et al are almost the same cost as an American car.
“But now throw in the divorce industrial complex, the house, the kids, alimony, a washed up pussy distended from riding the cock carousel during her lean years and all the rest and that just makes the case against marriage even more airtight than it was before.”
Which is why a guy is a fool to get married past his early to maybe mid 20s. At the point in life, you could meet a partner who’ll stick by you thick or thin; though finding a woman like that is hard. After that point, it’s better to have fun than be in some fraud marriage, unless you really, really want kids.
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@ xsplat
Fixed.
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This is why I don’t automatically buy the White Nationalism crap: It’s honestly true, I have more in common with THIS BLACK MAN than I do with my WHITE SISTER, and she’s my SISTER.
Of course it’s crap, to some beta whose mudsharking sister contributes to White genocide.
After all, the husband’s a “nice guy”, so screw ten thousand years of genetic evolution, right?
Fail more.
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I had meant to mention an afterlife to clarify the religious component.
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Holy shit, look up the latest Charlie Sheen rant…
I don’t usually keep up with celebs, but he just said some seriously honest, nasty shit.
I don’t have it all, but he was lashing out at people for judging him. He referred to their loser lives of “ugly wives and ugly kids” and how they look at him and just can’t “process it”.
The man is a human turd, but he is obviously what women want. I can’t wait to see where the rhetoric on this goes…
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My modification of Roissy’s timeline for an alpha, when he like wants to have kids (first bit’s the same):
– fuck like a rabbit in college if early start. Otherwise, fuck like a rabbit for the next 13-17 years after college
– somewhere along that timeline, meet a great girl or three who he rationally tells himself would make a good wife
– reminds himself that marriage is an irrational choice. Then reminds himself that he loves flirting with the cashier at the supermarket, and he marvels how easy it would be to snag her number
– laughs to himself at thought of proposing. (“Bended knee, my ass!”)
– good girl dumps him for wasting her prime years. In his sorrow, he responds by traveling and banging a couple of international hotties
-after that 13-17years when he’s in his late 30s meet a 24-26 yo great girl who he rationally tells himself would make a good wife, date her non exclusively for six months to a year, in the second year he lets her move in with him so he can checkout marriage compatibility. A year or two later when he wants to have kids in his late 30s to early 40s, agree to give in to her pleas that they “take it to the next level for the kids” on three conditions: 1) she agrees to a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce (much easier to get if you’ve been living together and she says she’s happy with that but not if we’re gonna have kids, and I want kids); 2) she starts working on getting preggers immediately; 3) she agrees that under no circumstances (except the most heinous) will either of you get a divorce at least until the kids are adults, even if she falls out of love, cause love after awhile is something you do, rather than remain fallen into, and we owe it to the kids.
-Personally as an alpha I’d before marriage also get her to agree to allow me after a good while and the birth of the second kid, to fairly rarely and very discreetly play some without letting myself fall in love, so long as I don’t neglect her including sexually, or the kids. She’d have veto power or any particular girl or over it getting too serious and threatening in her view with a particular girl.
-Because work isn’t just maintaining an individual lifestyle if he’s gonna have kids, he ought to take his career more seriously. That doesn’t mean being a slave to something he doesn’t like doing, most of the time.
This scenario won’t result in the downfall of American civilization if lots of alpha men follow it. Hey greater betas anyway can usually make it to alpha if the study game with the right mindset.
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@ xsplat
Sure—but my point was that an extreme affinity for future-time orientation can promote asceticism more generally in addition to (or the absence of) the religious kind.
Hence the parentheses.
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MJH
You do realize, don’t you, that cock doesn’t actually stretch out pussy?
Some girls can go from virgin to holland tunnel in a few months on the same dick – being too loose for the one and only original cock. Other girls start tight and remain tight, and adjust down in size to accommodate a smaller dick after the bigger dicked guy leaves.
I realize that it is an emotional reaction that people with the “purity gene” have to the idea of another guys cock sullying pussy. But if you are trying to express a view that corresponds to reality, and not just trying to use a powerful image to say “ick, that’s gross”, then you might want to adjust your notion.
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HLS–
True for most of us, including most alphas.
But that’s the point at which to let a girl move in with you, on what’s intended to be a permanent basis, and not a moment sooner. Don’t get married until and unless you want kids immediately.
Then don’t do it unless she agrees to a prenup that mimics living together if the event of a divorce. Child support=also stealth alimony isn’t covered by prenups and can’t be. She should have been living with you for at least a year when you ask for a prenup in order to agree on marriage, for the kids you’re about to have together.
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@John Norman Howard
This is why I don’t automatically buy the White Nationalism crap: It’s honestly true, I have more in common with THIS BLACK MAN than I do with my WHITE SISTER, and she’s my SISTER.
Of course it’s crap, to some beta whose mudsharking sister contributes to White genocide.
After all, the husband’s a “nice guy”, so screw ten thousand years of genetic evolution, right?
Fail more.
This black guy was a better mate in objective terms (aside from race) than the dicks she used to date. He’s the “reliable Beta male” that helped spawn decent children and is devoted to raising them. Her first few BFs were White, Assholish and Irresponsible. So obviously they’re better for being white, right?
Dick.
My mudsharking sister was hypergamous and liked bad boys – and this black guy’s most bad boy feature is being black. Otherwise, he’s a cheerful little mouse.
Statistics, you fuck. It’s about statistical distribution. May not be many guys like this in the ghetto – but there’s more black guys like this than you think. They tend to not be in the ghetto.
And get off my case – I’m not Obsidian.
AND TO THE LARGER POINT:
My sister’s interests and mine are similar – genetically. My genes are expressed in her and hers in me. Very nice.
She’s still a harpy to her husband, controlling, occasionally demeaning, and totally domineering. She’s the kind of woman I’d steer miles clear from. The FACT of her being my sister doesn’t change things:
*MY* interests as a MAN have everything in common with her schlub of a husband, and *NOTHING* in common with HER interests.
If your racism blinds you to this unbelievably obvious fact, then your racism is indeed blind.
If you’re going to be racist, do it properly.
You can be a race realist, even a Eugenics enthusiast, without being a identity-politics shithead.
No-one can accuse me of being an apologist for savage black behavior. At the same time, my race realism doesn’t blind me like the fucktard White Nationalists that scream so loud on the internet while their shrewish little wives aren’t beating them.
I have as much respect for these idiots as I do for racist white women berating men when they “go outside” for some poon.
Fuck you all.
I’m a man before I’m white. Same should be true for all men.
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To add to the hedonist’s case for marriage:
-You don’t marry the type of girl you can easily replace. If you fuck different women for a decade or two, you get a sense of how often you can fuck women of a certain level. If you marry the girl that is the hottest you’ve ever fucked, you really click with and provides you with the best sex you’ve ever had, then you’re getting a pretty solid benefit. Yes she will age and sex with her will get progressively more boring, but her quality relative to the pool offsets this to a significant extent.
-Fucking lots of different random girls takes time and effort. Not having to go meet new girls frees up time for other stuff.
-Having kids, although a lot of work, is rewarding and satisfying, much like mastering a profession.
-If you can use game to sleep with lots of different attractive women (something few men successfully do), you can easily use it to keep your aging wife in love with you (something many men successfully do).
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Dragnet, yes, that’s a good point.
I threw in religion as a new twist on saying something I’ve been saying in many other different ways. Religion doesn’t quite create religious people – innate affinities do.
What appears cultural is very often merely a grouping of people with genetically created affinities grouping together. Those high school cliques are timeless, and heavily influenced by genetic and epigenetic traits. Some people are pre-disposed to be conservative, and will have a predisposition to prefer purity, tradition, and will have a respect for authority, while others will have bohemian leanings, with little interest in authority and more interest in the now. Any high school in the world will have girls who are sexually open, and girls who are not.
Humans are a system of castes – we’ve got game theory in action here – all niche markets filled up, with specialists born with their caste like predispositions.
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HLS–
That’s very misleading.
Many states will give the wife alimony for life in the case of a long marriage. California is one such state that always does now as a result of some law changes, as is New Jersey. They both define a long marriage as 10 years or longer, although a court in New Jersey decided that “7 years is a long marriage these days”. Massachussets judges can and often do decide that much less than 10 years is a long marriage, and nearly always give it to wives earning a lot less than their husbands if the wives ask for it and it’s any kind of long at all. Also it’s often impossible to modify alimony in Mass. Other states are similar to California and New Jersey.
The two most populous Cali counties have written guidelines as to how much the LIFETIME alimony should be: 40% of the excess of the man’s after tax earnings net of those of his ex wife’s plus any child support=also stealth alimony she’s receiving. That codifies most states’ not giving alimony on top of child support=also stealth alimony, but they’ll often give it once the child support runs out.
Nearly all states award at least three or four years of “temporary” alimony to wives not getting child support who earn much less than their husbands, even when she cheated and wouldn’t stop and she’s the one that wanted the divorce. Such a deal.
As GBFM says, even pimps don’t charge for post past pussy received (together with other wifely services, such as they may have been). Why the hell should American wives be allowed due, given that American feminism has succeeded in allowing women to pursue and excel at any career they want and are good at?
Any American man with options (an alpha or even many greater betas who can at lest get sex after awhile from cute or pretty girlfriends usually) is off his rocker to marry unless he wants kids immediately, and then only with a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce.
Because feminists have made formula child support=also stealth alimony so onerous as a percentage of after tax income, especially for highly taxed upper middle class on up men, and because women file for divorce 2.5 times as often as men and instigate it more often than that, and need to be incented to remain in marriages for the kids, this is more than fair.
Again amazingly and intentionally misleading.
Lots of divorces involve only short marriages. Most guys reading here are likely well above average earners. What men worry about is when it’s a long marriage with kids and tons more is at stake. The marriage that lasted for two years without kids that ends in divorce is not what scares men away from marriage.
Also, show me a single American jurisdiction that doesn’t always let her take AT LEAST that much, and nearly always really more when he’s the higher earner. She always gets the house if there are kids and all its furnishings at a very undervalued rate that doesn’t even take into account his transaction costs on a new place with new furnishings. He pays her legal fees at great expense, which also incents her to drag out the proceedings to get way more than half in settlement.
Plus some jurisidictions also give her half of his non marital assets, or a good lot of them so she’ll be “well taken care of”.
All while she’s giving him nothing in return. Mighty expensive past pussy and companionship that was.
The current law and family court decisions are horrendously unfair to men with any means.
Women’s sob stories about divorce are always about when they irresponsibly cause of their urges have kids with an alpha no account bad boy who doesn’t have two sticks to rub together, and then he forseeably leaves her. She could have prevented that by only having kids with a guy who’d make a good dad. Those that seem like they would almost always do these days in middle class on up America.
Men in contrast can only partly protect themselves by a well done prenup. There’s still sky high child support=also stealth alimony though.
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Really? Holy christfuck – you are SO TRANSPARENTLY tiresome:
10 Occupations with Largest Percentage of African-Americans
1. Barbers—35.0%
2. Nursing, psychiatric, and home health aides—34.0%
3. Residential advisers—29.6%
4. Security guards and gaming surveillance officers—28.6%
5. Postal service clerks-28.3%
6. Baggage porters, bellhops, and concierges—27.1%
7. Postal service mail sorters, —26.4%
8. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs—25.7%
9. Bus drivers—24.9%
10. Parking lot attendants—24.4%
http://www.allgov.com/Unusual_News/ViewNews/10_Occupations_with_Largest_Percentage_of_African_Americans_100905
Yet, as here, you ONLY attack whites…never blacks. Even when “statistical evidence” from the FBI and US Census PROVES their criminality.
Nope, you only spew hate at whites.
Blow my dick snot, you pompous, pedantic asshole.
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I’m a man before I’m white. Same should be true for all men.
Better to be a White Man… there aren’t many of us left.
You’re no man whatsoever if you countenance your sister’s mudsharkery.
So much for a world where alphas can cavort with the proverbial “brilliant blonds and brilliant redheads”, eh?
Statistics, you fuck.
The usual answer to emo-cunt outbursts:
8======D
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Alex
Really? I’m mid forties. My two main girlfriends are aged 20 and 21. I can’t imagine any human I could have married in my twenties being as appealing. You may as well face it – no matter who you start out with, sooner or later, a younger version is better. If you can actually pull fresh meat, then yes, it is superior. Or are you saying you prefer 50 year old women to 20 year old girls? And let’s not forget that it’s not easy to predict if a great relationship will turn sour. And a great relationship that is now a sour relationship is certainly worse than a fresh mediocre relationship.
I don’t buy the notion that women mature, nor do I buy the notion that as men age we prefer “age appropriate” women.
Rewarding and satisfying, I believe. But studies show that parenting causes an overall decrease in life satisfaction. So parenting is satifying, but parents are overall less satisfied. In other words, not having kids can also be rewarding and satisfying.
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Yep. I’ve got two (now three?) in mod.
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Gorbachev–
I’d have checked the law on Chinese women in China getting child support from an American not any longer in China, and obliged her by knocking her up. Spreading the seed and all.
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Face to face at holidays must be a riot. Him ever so politely tiptoeing around his own sister’s miscegenation.
…While he rants online about White Nationalists.
Brave online, but to his own family….MIA.
From all the diatribes he types, my bet is he’s actually a black sockpuppet.
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Anyone else agree with me that HLS is a mannish lawyerwoman.
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@Firepower
Guy, you’re in rare form today. My hat off to you, kind sir.
Garbly spewed:
Statistics, you fuck. It’s about statistical distribution. May not be many guys like this in the ghetto – but there’s more black guys like this than you think. They tend to not be in the ghetto.
Really? Holy christfuck – you are SO TRANSPARENTLY tiresome:
I love being tiresome. It infuses me with Vim, and occasional Vigor.
10 Occupations with Largest Percentage of African-Americans
1. Barbers—35.0%
2. Nursing, psychiatric, and home health aides—34.0%
3. Residential advisers—29.6%
4. Security guards and gaming surveillance officers—28.6%
5. Postal service clerks-28.3%
6. Baggage porters, bellhops, and concierges—27.1%
7. Postal service mail sorters, —26.4%
8. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs—25.7%
9. Bus drivers—24.9%
10. Parking lot attendants—24.4%
http://www.allgov.com/Unusual_News/ViewNews/10_Occupations_with_Largest_Percentage_of_African_Americans_100905
Sounds all good. Admit this to me: There are *some* non-stupid, non-menial blacks? A few? Some paltry number? Two? Some guy’s half-brother?
Throw me a bone, here, Firepower.
No-one can accuse me of being an apologist for savage black behavior. At the same time, my race realism doesn’t blind me like the fucktard White Nationalists that scream so loud on the internet while their shrewish little wives aren’t beating them.
Yet, as here, you ONLY attack whites…never blacks. Even when “statistical evidence” from the FBI and US Census PROVES their criminality.
I attack blacks all the time. I have nothing but contempt for “black” culture. Read Chuck’s blog. I shit on them on a regular basis.
Did I say Fuck You yet? Because if not, then I don’t want to be remiss.
Nope, you only spew hate at whites.
Blow my dick snot, you pompous, pedantic asshole.
Just call me Charles Emerson Winchester the Third.
And that’s Pedantic with a Capital P to you.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
In her evaluation, I’m a disgusting pig for dating someone 10 years younger than me – I must be a woman-hater, and I must want a weak woman – and she derides the fact that my GF is insanely hot. She’s major Genetic Infusion for our family. She views it as me chasing more tail.
She talks about my GF like that: Where’s your pretty girl tonight? She finished her classes yet? I get no end of this shit from her.
Tell her you love being what she considers a disgusting misogynistic pig. It pleases you.
My sister can be a bitch – she causes minor strife all the time. I’ve avoided her for most of the past 4 years. Being out of the country was helpful. I like her, but she can be a real shit-disturber. She’s a nightmare with her kids’ teachers. I have pity for them. In her mind, Her Kids Can Do No Wrong.
In my opinion you should run game on your sister, in a way. Of course not sex vibe game. But cocky, don’t give a shit, dominance game.
I do that, but she’s known me my entire life. She makes degrading comments that dig deep; I regress when we’re together. I hate her little quips and her snark. Her sarcasm grates on my nerves. She makes casual implications all the time – snide comments meant only for me to notice.
My mother had to separate us when we were young, before we were teenagers. And in highschool, she was the high-strung feminist Me Me ist. Nothing was ever good enough for her. She worked her ass off, and got her BA from (big Ivy). And her master’s. And has her (nameless admin job making over 60k). She thinks she’s Ms. Special; always has. I used to think she was normal. I know now: Busybody.
We disagree on major points. She’s not a liberal goody-two-shoes, but she has Notions I can’t abide. I never could, even when I was a PC-spewing liberal sheep.
I tried the whole rape-moral-crisis thing out on her; she’s of the 25% of women are sexually assaulted variety (just none she knows, or has met, except one neurotic girl in college). Her husband is one patient guy.
And also tell her you can no longer stand anything but basic feminism. It’s massively misandrous and a raw deal for men. This garbage about being with a girl 10 years younger is a massive crock of aging feminist bullshiite.
I tell her this all the time. She goes ape and a half. My parents are, for her, old-school: but she’s never called my father a misogynist. He *IS*, according to feminists – but she’d never DARE do it. She has waaay to much respect for him.
I tell you: They spew this shite, but feminists massively respect the actual Alpha Males in their lives.
My father is definitely Alpha in a traditional way. White-knighting, small-town, but dinner was always waiting on the table for him. And Mom was a loyal woman – or extremely discreet. Truth is, my mother likely hasn’t been with any other guy, ever.
Not that I’d know. Nor do I want to. I like my illusions. At least one woman should maintain them.
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Firepower, you’ve been commenting here for several years now. Have you ever once talked about creating and maintaining sexual attraction?
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HLS–
In LA a pretty good college grad 25 yo HB8 marries a greater beta 35yo greater beta who’s a young biglaw partner, maybe now a lesser alpha but only because of his status and money. She has two kids by him, keeps or gets back in shape post the kids. He pays for a nanny and she goes back into the arts department side of advertising. She has an affair or two, he catches the second one, and she promises to stop. Then she passes the 10 year line and divorces him at 35. She gets the house plus a settlement of over a million. She gets 150k TAX FREE (he has to pay the taxes on it) a year in child support=also stealth alimony (obviously) plus what she earns at her job. Plus she’ll get about the same for year in alimony in California for life once the child support runs out.
She dates older often divorced bad boys for a couple of years, then finds a divorced guy alpha (he cheated) who she’s really into. He moves into her plush digs courtesy of her ex husband. The two of them share her income, his income, and her 150k year child support/alimony for her life — plus the returns on the investment portfolio million she got from her ex.
Such a deal for her. Such a shit deal for her ex husband.
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@Firepower
My sister’s mudsharkery is at least honest mudsharkery. There’s lots of dishonest fucking going on. She married him and, to my knowledge, isn’t screwing around on him. Might be better for the guy if she did.
Face to face at holidays must be a riot. Him ever so politely tiptoeing around his own sister’s miscegenation.
Tiptoe through the tulips.
…While he rants online about White Nationalists.
Brave online, but to his own family….MIA.
I was skeptical about BiL for a while. He proved himself a more decent guy than my sister deserves. I told her that a few years ago, too, when she was bitching about him at Christmas dinner (when he was with their kids at his family’s dinner). She has no respect for me because of my indolent, child-less lifestyle so she ignores me. I’m the Irresponsible Male. Worse, I’m divorced.
I COULDN’T KEEP MY WIFE. Must be something wrong with me. I still get that shit from her – she said something to this effect to my GF over Christmas.
My *mother* told her not to dis her husband when he’s not there – or ever. Fucking A. Mom knows where it is. She can talk down to my sister like nobody else. My father just tolerates her “sass” like the White Knight’s Daddy he is. I could never stand it. Conservative White Catholic double-standard, and tolerant of feminist claptrap, too.
Firepower:
I’m supposed to show loyalty to white *women* when my sister is a prime example of feminist Misandry?
Fuck them all. When it comes to taking sides:
Men First.
You’re a flaming retard, Firepower, if you don’t get this.
From all the diatribes he types, my bet is he’s actually a black sockpuppet.
Just call me Niggerboy.
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xsplat
(1) You missed my point completely, which leads me to believe we need to invest more in education these days, even for the aged.
(2) You couldn’t figure out I was quoting from Roissy’s post; those are not my words.
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@Doug1
Gorbachev–
The second was in China: She was obsessed with having a mixed baby, and unconcerned – shockingly – with being a single mom. She also suspected I’d Do The Right Thing and marry her – and stay in China, as she loved Shanghai – but I was leaving.
I’d have checked the law on Chinese women in China getting child support from an American not any longer in China, and obliged her by knocking her up. Spreading the seed and all.
Sounds good, but the whole moral obligation thing would have got me. I can’t have spawn all over the place and not know what they eat for breakfast or what their teachers say. She knew that. She was cute, but laying sprogs on the world wasn’t my plan.
Though in retrospect, it might have been cool. Especially if she found a nice beta to look after it for me. When he/she was 20, I could have he/her visit and get all teary-eyed.
She was so obsessed with mixed babies. More beautiful, smarter, etc. Wanted them to have blue eyes (or at least, grandchildren). Brown hair.
She was obsessed with having a mixed kid with brown hair. Curly brown hair.
She loved these kids stories about Red Haired Anne – some British/Japanese character from a hundred years ago. She always wanted a little non-black-haired kid.
She was fun in bed. Very matter-of-fact and experimental. You’d never guess it – by day, straight banker. By night, sly selectively partyish girl. Very Shanghai, totally Shanghai girl. Tooled men for sport. I never spent a RMB on her.
No tits, but fantastic ass and great dancer.
32-year-old Asians usually look better than 28-year-old white chicks.
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@ShaperV
USA isn’t going to be a poverty-stricken wasteland of illegal immigrant single mothers raising hordes of young on the government dime while an aging minority of white male wage slaves struggle to support them and their young PUA boyfriends.
Ummm. You are one overly optimistic geek. Technology enables. It does not save. If you can’t already see what the female id has been empowered to do because of technologies such as electronic currency, contraception, and artificial insemination and then extrapolate that into a dystopian future, then I don’t know what to tell you.
You already have 40 year old single man hating dykes visiting sperm banks when 100 year ago that was impossible. What more do you need as proof that this shit is going down hill?
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Cap-n-Bob–
Have the kids with your wife. Get a vasectomy.
Then have some discreet flings. Better with her explicit or tacit ok, with her having a veto over any particular girl.
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@Alex
Random non sequitur: Don’t we all love Skype meetings? Blah blah blah Marketshare blah blah Content Appropriateness blah blah Editorial Policy blah blah Feed My Ego MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME.
I hate media jockeys.
-You don’t marry the type of girl you can easily replace. If you fuck different women for a decade or two, you get a sense of how often you can fuck women of a certain level. If you marry the girl that is the hottest you’ve ever fucked, you really click with and provides you with the best sex you’ve ever had, then you’re getting a pretty solid benefit. Yes she will age and sex with her will get progressively more boring, but her quality relative to the pool offsets this to a significant extent.
Yes.
I totally abide this. See if it works out.
-Fucking lots of different random girls takes time and effort. Not having to go meet new girls frees up time for other stuff.
Yes.
This is totally true. PUA shit aside, it’s time-consuming and draining and has subtle an element of gayness about it. Being ABLE to do it if you’re free some Saturday is a different matter. Getting laid when you want with a good-looking woman is not gay. Obsessing about it to the exclusion of all else is.
-Having kids, although a lot of work, is rewarding and satisfying, much like mastering a profession.
Yes.
Sounds right. In with the endless lost sleep.
-If you can use game to sleep with lots of different attractive women (something few men successfully do), you can easily use it to keep your aging wife in love with you (something many men successfully do).
MAYBE.
Jury’s still out on this.
My feeling:
The above 3 are more or less sustainably obvious.
#4 is, … NOT.
Might be true. Might not.
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Southern Man–
Great testament re: learning game later in middle age. Well done.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/game-and-life-trajectory/#comment-237390
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Chuck–
Speaking of Bree Olsen, I somewhere stumped upon a piece that said Charlie Sheen took her, his last ex wife, and a stripper to an island near the Bahamas in a private jet. Heh.
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Bree Olsen is reputedly a head case, even for a porn star. Many women in the industry are very catty about her, and say she’s a two-faced liar to pretty much everyone.
Given how stunning she looks, its little wonder she’d have to be massively fucked in the head to end up as perverted as she is. Can anyone say Daddy issues?
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MJH, what leads you to believe that I missed your point? I took one sentence that you used towards making your point, and disagreed with that particular sentence.
Yup, I didn’t notice that the sentence was originally written by Roissy. So what? Pussy still doesn’t get stretched out by cock.
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@Doug1
You read my mind by adding on the timeline for a guy who actually wants kids. It seems like an “alpha” will want to continue his family name and I question that whole alpha dying alone thing.
But I have a question for you: What does a 24 to 26 year old girl benefit from settling down with a late 30s/early 40s guy? He strings her along for a couple years, then say in his mid 40s decides to have kids with her? So there’s a 55 year old man trying to run after 8 – 10 year olds? What’s to keep his mid-30s still youthful wife satisfied in that situation?
(Agreed on all other points, particularly his having the right for discreet playing around. Just makes sense, esp. if he’s providing for her emotionally, financially, and sexually.)
I know there’s a benefit to dating older, but as an early 20s myself I’m wondering the benefit to dating THAT much older, especially w/ someone who’s noncommittal so early on.
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walawala–
Girls try to do that to feel comfortable and secure that they’ve got strong hold of you. It increases their comfort, and American culture and probably others more or less tell them that and that that’s good. They don’t realize it will decrease their attraction if they succeed. They just feel the lesser attraction when it happens, believing they’ve discovered the true, less attractive nature of the guy, or that something mysterious happened in the ways of love.
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HLS
I’ve been living with a girl for a few months. As is common for me, I moved her in on the first date. At first she’d stay a few weeks, then visit her home in another city, but lately she just stays with me and gives me space when I need to see my other girls.
We made love on the first date, within the hour.
Yes, it can be that easy. People fall in love and click very easily, and very fast. Love is not hard. Bonds forge remarkably fast. This girl is hugely attached to me. You don’t have to live together for twenty years in order to get that rocking chair feeling. Six weeks is plenty.
You can substitute serial monogamy for marriage and your conception remains the same. The dichotomy is between dating around, and bonding. Not between the single life and married life.
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If somebody has science to the contary, please chime in, but following up on what xsplat wrote, my understanding from the science is that pussies do not expand but actually shrink with frequent use, and I know for a fact that even the smallest of normal-size-ranged pussies are far bigger than all but the most freakishly-large cocks to begin with.
Assholes on the other hand …. They lose the ability to hold things in, and start getting also hemorroidal and bloody. Also, unlike pussies, that get substantially cleaned and flushed out on a monthly basis with disease-killing fluids, rectums are incubators of disease.
Plus, womens’ poop starts smelling a lot worse after around age 35.
IMO, if you’re thinking long-term with a chick – even if you’re not generally concerned with how many cocks she has had in her pussy – the last thing you should want to hear is that a girl is into anal. I’m not saying its not perfectly fun and fine for some pump and dump – as I’ve shared on here, I’ve enjoyed it myself – but …
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@Evil Alpha
I’m not saying the future will be great, just that culture is always changing and current technology is only the tip of the iceberg. The welfare state will collapse under a mountain of debt before 2020, and who knows what will come next? Men having children without female involvement, via artificial wombs and cloned eggs? Treatments for ‘hypoactive sexual desire disorder’ that make aging cougars feel horny for their beta schlub boyfriends? Competition with slutty sexbots driving women to try actually bringing something of value into their relationships?
With biotech and robotics both advancing exponentially the next few decades are going to see a lot of developments that have that scale of impact on society. The results might be good for men, or they might be bad, but they won’t just be more of the same.
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“treat women like disposable estrogen toys”
My favorite take-away quote from that article.
Gmac
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This is what a post feminist American marriage law would look like in America:
1) There should be a default assumption unless the man’s unfitness as a father can be proven, that there’s true joint physical and legal custody for children over 4, and once they turn 4. In these cases no child support should be ordered by the court since each parent will be directly supporting the child about half the time.
Where there’s one parent true custody, the current levels of child support=also stealth alimony, which are currently at around 20-23% for one kid, 25-28% for two , should be assessed on BEFORE tax income, rather than after tax, where the woman get’s custody. (One advantage of this method of reducing child support=also stealth alimony paid by men is that when the father isn’t a strong earner the mother will get more than she would through a substantial reduction in the percentage applied to before tax earnings, but it will still benefit the ex husband. Were child support is truly mostly stealth alimony is in the case of upper middle class and up payers of it.)
2) Alimony per se should be abolished. When women don’t work in a marriage or for long stretches of it, that’s her decision alone in legal and cultural fact, and the risk is on her. She certainly could have worked in the full range of the workforce men can, to the extent she got herself educated and trained for it, and is capable. If she stayed at home when her kids were infants and before pre school, that’s not so long, she was financially supported by her husband during that period while she pursued her choice. Choices have costs. If she’d be otherwise be destitute or forced to live vastly below the level she lived at during the marriage an ex husband might be required by a court to pay a modest alimony of no more than 20% of his AFTER tax income if and only if he was the one that filed for divorce. I don’t care if she filed because of cheating, his “verbally abusing her”, his non felony assault (serious injury) bullshite VAWA abuse, his drinking too much or whatever. No alimony if she files for divorce.
3.) Marital property should be divided pro rata according to total income of each respective party during the marriage, except for periods after the birth of the first child and before the last child reaches pre school age, if she was in fact a stay at home mom during those periods. For the later periods she gets half the marital income earned then.
Women can of course try to get beta finances to agree to prenups giving them more than this on divorce.
Ex husbands shouldn’t have to pay for past pussy and companionship, after she’s left him and no longer doing anything for him, now that women can earn a very good living just as men, according to their talents, effort and education.
Husbands who’ve been left by their wives should have to help (half) support something a lot closer to the true costs of the kids they had voluntarily in marriage, preferably by having half full true custody of their children and paying for them during that time directly, as well as half raising them.
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In 2) alimony above, I mean only under those conditions and where he divorced her for reasons other than her cheating, and only for a temporary period not to exceed three years while she pursues job oriented educational or other training. It should end at the earlier of 3 years or when she gets a job after such training.
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Good lord, you are a complete and total slave to pussy, and you don’t even realize it. It’s tragic.
[Editor: Was Einstein a slave to physics, or did he just enjoy studying it?]
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“Good lord, you are a complete and total slave to pussy, and you don’t even realize it. It’s tragic.”
Big difference between enjoying pussy and putting it on a pedestal.
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Two thirds of game is acting old school masculine and charmingly dominant in ways that will fly in contemporary American urban culture. Lots more will fly than those who haven’t taken the red pill think. In some ways more than ever.
Most of the other third is learning the female psychology that Roissy teaches here. Well learning that is necessary to make the 2/3 part fly in contemporary American culture.
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Manstein–
What percentage of your after tax income is your child support?
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@xsplat,
-On the benefits of 20yos vs. 50yos, your points seem to be that (i) women age faster than men, and (ii) your sexual market value is so high that even in your 40s you can do so well in the casual sex market that there’s no benefit to locking any particular woman in. As to the first, I agree, but the male decline isn’t 0 either. There’s also something to be said for marrying at the peak of your market value – your kids will then have the best traits. As to (ii), more power to you, but for those of us of average looks and means, we might go years between successfully bedding marriageable 9s so there is a real benefit to securing that sex supply.
-On the kids point, I believe part of the effect is that having kids outside of wedlock is a big negative for life satisfaction, whereas within marriage it’s a plus. But I don’t care – I love my kids and I’m glad I have them. Going without the feeling of fatherhood would be akin to going without the feeling of falling in love with a woman – just not something I want to experience life without.
In any case, clearly if your preference for fresh young pussy outweighs your preference for family formation you’re wise to remain unmarried. Just pointing out that at least in my case, I feel like the choice was a good one from a pleasure-maximizing standpoint.
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Has everyone seen this?
http://www.slate.com/id/2286240/
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Well, at least there’s some little thing for you to swell with a brother’s pride. Maybe they’ll name their pickaninny after you.
No thanks. I’ve not the time or inclination to read more talk.
OK. But only if it shuts you up.
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Sorry, I was not aware your sexual attraction for me needed maintaining.
I’ll bang out a DHV stack for you 2morrow, k?
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(The real) dreamer (the adorable female one)–
I think the guy 10 to 15 years older than her successful alpha man should make it clear to her that he wants mutual commitment and marriage if it works out, and that she should shit test the hell out of that.
What she gets out of it is an alpha who wants marriage, kids, and to stay with one woman as his mate, his exclusive primary, for the rest of her life. He gets to play a little with rules, respecting her and attending to her. Because he’s an alpha.
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God, how could I have messed up and grammatically have said that.=?
*Should be assessed on AFTER tax income of the man, rather than before tax.
None of the logic of what I said comported with that before correction.
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You shouldn’t really try to tame an alpha. There’s a higher beta/lower alpha boundary which is ideal, but a hypersexual alpha should be let free to roam the wilds, true to his nature.
It’s silly trying to build a family with an alpha. It just doesn’t work. It’s like a man marrying a slut. It only leads to grief. That’s not what the skillset they have was designed for.
Alpha: Intense, passionate, short-term, c’est tout, au revoir, fin.
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What’s wrong with me, a brain anuerism?
*should be assessed on AFTER tax income, rather than before tax
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Yes, because Doug is known for his consistently impeccable, error-free writing.
Love ya kid, but you should learn to write complete, readable sentences more often… right now you’re basically (gbfm + normal english)/2
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I personally think that under current law ALL California men with any stones at all should file for divorce before the 10 year mark for lifetime alimony.
Tell her it’s technical, because of unjust feminist laws. Tell her she can still live with you if she wants. It’s technical and legal.
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Gorby —
“miscegenation”
heh. don’t mind firepower; he only feels the need to rant against this particular topic because, when he lies on the cold floor of mommy’s basement and streeeeeetches back to suck his own coc — with nary a comfort but the whirring of his Xbox in the background — it’s exactly the same color as his own mouth.
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There’s a higher beta/lower alpha boundary which is ideal, but a hypersexual alpha should be let free to roam the wilds, true to his nature.
srsly, he should *totally* be allowed to surf the net for “intense online romances” with eMistresses who, curiously, happen to need tuition money and who, double curiously, happen to play the religious v-card as plausible deniability of the inevitable revulsion they’d feel if they had to actually meet f2f with some oldster… yeah. spot on babe
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Bhetti
You shouldn’t really try to tame an alpha. There’s a higher beta/lower alpha boundary which is ideal, but a hypersexual alpha should be let free to roam the wilds, true to his nature.
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dont you think you should actually experience the feeling of sexual bonding with a man before you make statements like that? have you experienced male infidelity? the pain, the broken trust? of course, any dumb broad that “bonds” with an obvious cad is a dupe, but you talk about things you have yet (as far as i know) to experience with a tenor of worldy wisdom that i continue to find unseemly in an ostensible virgin, no offense
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real talk:
You have squeezed stalkery, poor reading comprehension and incredible obnoxiousness into one tiny paragraph. I congratulate you, sir/madam.
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dana:
Are you suggesting I go fuck some alpha for thrills off the street so I can gain some experience in obvious idiocy?
I was speculating it is dumb to force into marriage an incorrigible whore, male or female.
All claro now?
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I was saying you shouldn’t have the relationship.
Not ‘let him roam wild’ AND stay with him. I did not intend to imply the second part. AT ALL.
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i was suggesting you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about–but i was doing it nicely, now i’m not
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@bhetti, you should submit your definition of “stalkery” for review if reading this board qualifies as such.
no hate, actually — if you’re getting sponsorship just for writing a few e mails, i salute you
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@bhetti, no hatorade here. if you’re getting a sponsorship, full or partial, for dashing off a few emails, the congrats are all due you, not me
also, as this is a public board, i suggest you update your def. of “stalk”, thx
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I am at the other end of the line. Retired, married with a grown son. I don’t regret any of it. I waited to get married and had a good long run. 100 women give or take. Not sure. Lost count.
But the truth is that there is a big powerful sucking motion to pull you on the main freeway of life. To conform and to just quietly into that night. Even after I was hitched, in a career and with a young kid growing up, I fought it. Quietly at times but I was always looking for an edge. For that freedom I had when unencumbered. I was luckier than most. My wife always supported my insanity and let me be myself. She still does even though at times it is tough. Having to live with me for 30 years would be tough on anyone.
But I got through much of it better than most. Even when you get married and you are working “for the man” you need to keep a free agent mentality. Carve out part of your life for yourself. Otherwise the trajectory will be the same as every other poor slob.
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dana, nice is just confusing if it’s you.
You were caught in a crossfire; will think again about what you said again when I stop seeing red because it’s not going to be clear now. Right now, I’m out.
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“Leave the world alone to enter a void of nothingness”
Sorry, but this is where it falls down. It is at this point where what you chose to believe in life, and how you led that life, will play out.
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roguring: 111 google search results
rogering: 46,400 google search results
Correct English is defined by common usage. The spelling is rogering.
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For guys who boast about all their women, Gorb, Xsplat and Doug1 spend an extraordinary amount of time writing War and Peace sized comments that no one reads. I suppose their harems tend to their needs while they type
This site used to have good commenters.
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I don’t know if Roissy addressed this, but what about kids?
Does Roissy have any desire to produce offspring?
To me this is the most important reason for marriage.
IOW, if I couldn’t have kids, I would never get married.
I suppose marriage isn’t necessary to have kids?
The problem is in the quality of women. Most high quality women won’t have kids unless you offer marriage.
I guess another reason to master game is to get high quality women to offer their seeds without marriage.
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Firepower, you are the male equivalent of What. You never make any comments that show any insight into the female mind. None of your comments are inline with the theme of this blog. 99 point a lot of your comments are inane and useless. You contribute nothing, and have shown no interest in the topics and purpose of the whole blog.
Useless waste of space.
Go away.
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Xsplat,
“99 point a lot of your comments are inane and useless.”
Case of projection there lad. You, Gorb and Doug1 hog this blog and suck all the fun out of it. For such ladykillers, you all have a habit of writing epic screeds that no one reads and posting them at all hours.
A bunch of closet omegas. Go back to Second Life.
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Since I made something of a hash of this above, I’m gonna restate this in and edited fashion.
This is what a post feminist American marriage law would look like:
1) There should be a default assumption unless the man’s unfitness as a father can be proven, that there’s true joint physical and legal custody for children over 5, and once they turn 5. In these cases no child support should be ordered by the court since each parent will be directly supporting the child about half the time.
Where there’s one parent (female) true custody, the current levels of child support=also stealth alimony, which are currently at around 20-23% for one kid, 25-28% for two, should be assessed on AFTER tax income, rather than before tax.. (One advantage of this method of reducing the true after tax child support=also stealth alimony paid by men, is that when the father isn’t a strong earner the mother will get more than she would through a substantial reduction in the percentage applied to before tax earnings, but it will still benefit the ex husband. Where child support is truly mostly stealth alimony is in the case of upper middle class and up, payers of it.) After all, any father who wants to have decent visitation rights with his kids has to pay for a dwelling with enough rooms to house them when they visit as well.
2) Alimony per se should be abolished. Men shouldn’t have to pay for past pussy in this feminist age when women can succeed in careers just as men can, and when women nearly always aren’t obligated to their ex husbands post divorce in any way at all, which divorce they can and do get at will.
When women don’t work in a marriage or for long stretches of it, that’s her decision alone in legal and cultural fact, and the risk is on her. She certainly could have worked in the full range of the workforce men can, to the extent she got herself educated and trained for it, and is capable. If she stayed at home when her kids were infants and before pre-school, that’s not so long, she was financially supported by her husband during that period while she pursued her choice. Choices have costs.
If she’d be otherwise destitute or forced to live vastly (and I mean vastly) below the level she lived at during the marriage, an ex husband might be required by a court to pay a modest temporary alimony of no more than 20% of his AFTER tax income for no more than three years if she needs to seek job oriented education or other training and does so, if and only if he was the one that filed for divorce. I don’t care if she filed because of his cheating, his “verbally abusing her” which women claim these feminist hysteria days at the drop of a hat, his non felony assault (serious injury) bullshite VAWA abuse, his drinking too much or whatever. No temporary alimony if she files for divorce.
3.) Marital property should be divided pro rata according to total income of each respective party during the marriage, except for periods after the birth of the first child and before the last child reaches pre-school age, if she was in fact a stay at home mom during those periods. For that limited period she gets half the marital income earned then.
Women can of course try to get beta fiancés to agree to prenups giving them more than this on divorce.
Ex husbands shouldn’t have to pay for past pussy and companionship, after she’s left him and no longer doing anything for him, now that women can earn a good living just as men, according to their talents, effort and education, all of which are their responsibility, not the ex husband’s. If she has limited job useful education and still lands a husband who is or becomes affluent, good for her. But if she wants the benefits of sharing his income, she should continue to be a good and satisfying wife to him.
Husbands who’ve been left by their wives should have to help support something closer to half the true costs of the kids they had voluntarily in marriage but not also the costs of the wife, preferably by having half full true custody of their children and paying for them during that time directly, as well as half raising them, or failing that by assessing the percentage child support after tax.
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The above is what I’d actually recommend putting in a prenup as well.
Well maybe not all of it as the opening offer. Maybe hold back on giving her half the marital assets for periods when kids are younger than preschool and she stays at home. Her lawyer has to win something. Give that as his something.
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The temporary 3 year 20% of his after tax alimony for job training is only applicable if she isn’t receiving child support.
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Remind me again why guys who want children marry? Is it supposed to work as some sort of incentive to keep the girl around?
How is that working out out?
I’ve had many marriage proposals, but also many proposals to impregnate the girl, either in a live in arrangement or as whatever. A girl who is into you will make concessions, and won’t demand marriage in return for kids. Well, she might demand it, but renegotiate when you refuse.
Or of course, she might take her changes on an opps pregnancy. One of my girls continues to play games with her birth control pills. I’ve broken up with her a few times over this – but keep hoping she’ll fly straight – and that serious consequences for any pregnancy will be avoided as usual.
Anyway, remind me again why guys who want serious long term commitment and children marry? What do they expect to gain?
Or are they living in unicorn land?
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Marriage is not for everyone and I can respect that. I have met some truly wonderful men (betas) and know without doubt they will make outstanding husbands. Betas are meant to get married. We need to take responsibility to not take these guys for granted. I get it. Teaching betas game is great , but please keep the beta in you alive. It’s wonderful. The right proportion of beta and alpha qualities in any guy is 70% beta and 30% alpha. I think I’ve found him!!!! hee! hee!
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maybe this guy has the right idea:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41713126/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
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xsplat
Where do you live xsplat? The Philippines?
It’s pretty damn hard to move in upper middle class or above circles in America and have kids you acknowledge publicly and raise with a female partner, and not be married to her, or married in the past to her.
You know most of the people who comment here are American or from an Angloshere country. Why do you write as though whatever local cultural permissions you live amongst and widespread in the Anglosphere? Well they are among blacks here I guess.
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What said:
Sometimes the truth just makes me laugh out loud. That was me, to a T, for over twenty years. Glad the light has finally dawned!
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Here’s a guy with options, who is not afraid of admitting he has options.
http://www.celebitchy.com/142931/katy_perry_worries_russell_brand_will_cheat_on_her_during_her_9-month_tour/
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Doug
I did not know that.
Anyone know what percentage of upper middle class couples raise kids without being married?
What would the social repercussions be, Doug? I have no idea how these things work, as I’ve always been self employed, and a bit of an iconoclast – maybe even a shut in. I’ve never given a shit or paid attention. So you caught a big blind spot.
Really?
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Previous posts showed how Game could have saved George Sodini and Jared Loughner.
From this post we learn that Game could also have saved Friedrich Nietzsche.
Instead of bellyaching about how God is dead, he could have sat at a bar in Basel and played the Swiss-German equivalent of “Marry Shag Kill” with a hot frau.
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Anyone else read the Charlie Sheen “rantings” and think- Alpha male living the life he wants vs what soceity tells him he should be doing? This thread certainly pooped in my mine- should be renamed “Alpha and Life Trajectory”.
To those who say he’s crazy- I see your crazy and raise you one dark triad.
On the charges he’s addicted to drugs: “The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning.”
On Alcoholics Anonymous: “I was shackled and oppressed by the cult of AA for 22 years. I finally extracted myself from their troll hole and started living my life the way I want to live it.” [Editor’s note: With hookers?]
On drug testing: “Here’s your first pee test. Next one goes in your mouth. No, you won’t get high.”
On success: “My success rate is 100 percent.”
On the media: “I’m dealing with fools and trolls. […] I don’t have time for their judgment and stupidity. They lie down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and just look at their loser lives and then they look at me and say, ‘I can’t process it.’ And they never will.”
On the disease of alcoholism: “Debate me on AA right now. I have a disease? Bullsh*t. I cured it right now with my mind.”
On Two and a Half Men producers: “I was told if I went on the attack they’d cancel the show. Are they happy with the 5 billion dollars they made off me or do they want 10?”
His motto: “My motto now is either you love or you hate and you must do so violently. I don’t live in the middle anymore. That’s where you get embarrassed.”
On Chuck Lorre’s vanity card message to Sheen: “Yeah, I didn’t care about that vanity card. […] That was actually one of the few compliments that clown has paid me in almost a decade.”
On his hands: “I’ve got magic and I’ve got poetry in my fingertips. And this is most of the time including naps.”
On his new tattoo: “Yeah, it’s just pure and complete gnarly-isms. […] It’s the banner from the death card that Kilgore is throwing on his victims [from Apocalypse Now] but there’s also — falling from it — is the apple from The Giving Tree. There’s my life. Deal with it. Oh wait, can’t process it? Losers. Buh bye.”
On Thomas Jefferson: “I’m not Thomas Jefferson. He was a p*ssy.”
On his travel plans: “I”m going to hang out with these two smoking hotties and fly privately around the world. It may be lonely up here but I sure like the view.”
On him: “Newsflash, I’m special.”
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My old lady knows her psychology well. She loves when I flirt. Then she takes me home and “wins” me back.
The truth is that you have to keep them on edge. A good woman will understand her psychology. The rest you should throw back in the ocean. Let her find a different fish.
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Anyone else read the Charlie Sheen “rantings” and think- Alpha male living the life he wants vs what soceity tells him he should be doing? This thread certainly pooped in my mine- should be renamed “Alpha and Life Trajectory”.
Nope. I thought “stupid jerk”. If a woman wants stupid I’m not interested.
Besides if she likes smart it cuts down on the competition. And if you lose her to the competition? Well at least it is a person you can respect – some one as smart or smarter.
A woman who would go after Charlie is likely to produce betas. And what self respecting alpha wants to produce betas?
But hell. Some chicks are just in it for the money. Fine. Charlie is a really wonderful guy and totally deserves your attention.
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“Betas are meant to get married.”
Sometimes the truth just makes me laugh out loud. That was me, to a T, for over twenty years. Glad the light has finally dawned!
It is a matter of finding a mate who gets the care and maintenance of an alpha. A rare beast to be sure. Test them while you are dating. If she objects well – it has been fun. If she asks for details – a keeper.
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Anyway, remind me again why guys who want serious long term commitment and children marry? What do they expect to gain?
Or are they living in unicorn land?
I know this will sound odd to you younger guys but having a life companion in your old age is rather a comfort. I’m 66 and see lots of lonely old guys. It is not pretty.
I made a list of what I wanted physically (I’m a big but not too big hooter guy), mentally, emotionally and started auditioning.
The only criteria mine didn’t meet was minimum height. I had down 5′ 7″ the one I got was 5′ 6″. Sometimes close is close enough.
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What makes a guy most attractive? Already having a woman. The “other woman” thinks you have passed the preliminary inspection.
The best chick magnet is already having a chick.
Second best is pushing a two year old around in a stroller. Ladies who normally wouldn’t give you a second glance will stop you in the street to coo at the two year old. It is up to you to take it from there. Be sure to inform the mate every time it happens. Keeps her on her toes.
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M. Simon
Unless this has ever let to sex, I’d question who the girl is interested in.
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Doug1
(The real) dreamer–
I think the time for an alpha to have kids it he wants them is by 40, 42 at the latest, – with a girl who’s 25-29. We’re positing an in shape guy with a lot of vitality.
If a girls wants to date alphas, she’s much more likely to find one who wants to settle down and marry if she goes after ones 10 years older out to a max of maybe 15, who are in their middle 30s or a bit more.
He’s been with her starting when he was in his mid to late 30s, 2-3 years before they marry w/a prenup. They need to make sure they’re right for each other. After marriage they immediately try to start pumping out 2 kids.
I think if a girl is going to be with a guy who’s 10 years older than her and wants to marry and start having kids by 28 or so, once they get serious about each other she should have a strong sense from him that he’s serious about wanting to get married when he’s sure he’s found the right woman for that, and he thinks quite early on that she’s it.
I’m positing that alpha guys out of college date girls in the 22-27 range from 22 to 38 or so. Until they’re in their mid thirties many alphas these days are in fact gonna just have flings or one nights, and occasionally play out a love relationship so long as it’s hot and she’s not demanding the “next step” in ways he can’t slither out of. So it’s alphas 22-35 who are most hazardous for marriage minded good girl types.
But when alpha guys are in the later part of that range many are finally looking for a good girl to marry.
If a HB6-8 23-26yo girl is looking for a guy to fall in love with and he her, who will commit to her and if it works out for a couple of years including a year of living together, and then marry her, and looks in roughly her own age range, she’s either going to be repeatedly played by alphas, or have to settle for a beta. If she’s a genuine HB9 or 10, maybe not.
Since you’re willing to let your alpha husband play some w/your veto over any particular girl, it’s more likely you can get a somewhat younger alpha to commit to you (maybe earlier 30s) and generally move down the path to testing for marriage, depending on how hot you are of course.
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One of the worst canards from western feminists is that a male senior citizen wouldn’t be good for raising children somehow (even though the odds are he’ll have more time and money to do so). This propaganda coincides with the heavily pushed “science” that sperm gets defective to shame men into thinking that their time is up at the same time as the time is up for women (menopause).
I’ve seen plenty of rich old men with wives in their early 20s popping out babies. The men are great fathers.
In non-feminist societies (superior cultures), some women understand that they might only get 20-25 good years out of a guy who’s already 23-35 years older than they are before impotence or cancer sets in, but they want the chromosomes and there’s the “5 minutes of happiness beats a lifetime of boredom” rule.
An official marriage? Doug has done more than the Chateau to convince this blog’s readers not to EVER get married, no matter what. I don’t see how anyone can read Doug’s horror stories (he’s a lawyer I understand) and then think that having kids is some kind of exception. Having been married only convinces the state more that the babies are the man’s sole responsibility. And the argument that it’s not socially acceptable to have kids out of wedlock in the west (or anywhere) is laughable.
And the argument that the son of an alpha will grow up wrong if the father is not married to the mother is just a social conservative canard that serves the Divorce 2.0 Industry in the end. It’s a bigger problem for a boy to be raised by a beta father to be beta until he happens to read a blog at age 40.
In many countries, if you have kids while unmarried, you will NOT be liable for child support as far as any government is concerned especially if you don’t sign documents that you are the father (and nobody can force you to take a DNA test). If you were married, however, the weight of the state can and will be used against you.
Marriage might be OK to get citizenship somewhere (and when NOT having kids) and if a man doesn’t have assets to lose.
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Saw a ton of films over the weekend from many countries and many dates of production.
It seems that every culture and especially the Warsaw Pact states during the communist era, would push marriage and even push marriage to same-age women. This is because this model fits the “Socialist Ideal,” where the overriding ideal is what’s good for the society as a whole. Socialists and commies would say that capitalism creates too much inequality, such as when older men and younger women pair up leaving older women and younger men frustrated. Luckily, people tended to reject the commie propaganda where the commies were the authorities.
American 90s films seemed to be the worst for directly promoting socialism and feminism. Back then Hollywood would release TV series, etc where an older black woman like Whoopi Goldberg would be courted by white men her own age for marriage and where, for example in Demi Moore’s obnoxious “Striptease,” strip joints were presented as places where men couldn’t touch (and where they were presented as ridiculous betas) and where they would be punched out by the bouncer for calling a woman a “stripper” and not a “dancer”.
But the latest American garbage deserves reviews:
“No Strings Attached” –
Aging female doctor (late 20s) has a male harem where the men know about each other and taunt each other about whom she’s going to choose to marry. The youngest guy, played by Ashton Kutscher, finally manages to convince her that she needs to be married and to him.
Meanwhile, his 58 year old playboy father gets into a relationship with one of his ex-girlfriends in her early 20s, but both she and the father are shamed by the film’s screenwriters for the shameful age difference relationship attempt. When the father goes to the hospital at the end, his young girlfriend just wants to skip out on the bedside vigil stuff and go to the night club with her friends. Feminist scriptwriters wanted to say that this is what an older man will get for dating a younger woman.
“How Do You Know”
Reese Witherspoon shacks up with a pro athlete while the hero, who says he’s in serious financial trouble, courts her. She keeps going back to bed with the athlete until she learns that, gasp, the athlete isn’t totally monogamous with her. The hero lets his father go to jail so he can be sloppy seconds for this tramp (marriage, kids).
Don’t pay to see this, but it’s not as bad as the next film:
“Last Night”
Keira Knightley is looking seriously anorexic in the opening scene of this film when she undresses to change her clothes with no bra on. With no chest at all, she looks like a boy, and it’s my opinion that American women don’t find Keira threatening because of this. She’s married to what American women would see as a same-age hunk who’s far too successful than a late 20s guy can expect to be in Manhattan (an entitled SWPL female audience would expect no less of an ‘ideal husband’).
In real life, an alpha who looked like that would pump and dump her, not marry her. By the time they turned 40, he would have long forgotten her and not recognized her on the street.
“Keira” is insanely jealous of her husband’s new colleague. One gets the impression that he’s a lower alpha (lower because he allows his wife to voice her suspicions and pull nonsense like sleeping on the couch because she believes he might not be monogamous).
When he goes on a business trip to Philadelphia with the colleague (who has a better body than Keira), the husband agonizes for hours about whether he will “cheat on his wife” (its framed this way). Back home in Manhattan, “Keira” meets an old flame and goes through the exact same thought processes.
In the end, he does cheat and she doesn’t. But he feels such excessive guilt over this (lower beta attitude) that he cancels the rest of an important business trip (the business is presumably paying for the amazing marital apartment) and rushes back to NYC because:
1) He can’t bare to be in the presence of the woman he cheated on his wife with (even at a critical business meeting where she’s his subordinate)
2) He desperately needs to be back with his beloved wife
I would put this film above Blue Valentine as a warning of how not to be beta. Blue Valentine was about a very lower class prole. This is about a SWPL male.
“Last Night” is serious emotional porn for SWPL women and just pure garbage for any self-respecting male.
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Doug (or anyone) – hope you find the inspiration to answer my question. I’m curious as to what the negatives are for not getting married, and having kids.
You mentioned
but what exactly does that mean? Specifically.
Sometimes I hear that promotions get more difficult. For what types of jobs? I am completely out of the loop on the whole wife cooked business dinner with the boss scene. Does much socializing with the wife still occur? And even if so – how much are people inclined to pry about marriage status?
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@Xsplat
I can assure you that, in western business circles, it is not necessary to be married (even if one also mentions to business partners that one has kids) and, as long as your girlfriend belongs to the upper middle class or better, she can be 30+ years younger and it will only help his status, not hurt it. As you’ve said, nobody has shown any reason to be married, except where I said it might help the male with citizenship somewhere.
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Turns out “Last Night” was from feminist director/scriptwriter Massy Tadjedin. This would explain why the male characters think like women think.
These are the words of a gay or beta movie reviewer:
The “ramifications” referred to are that the wife will sleep on the couch after lighting up a cigarette and pouting. The film meant to say that men should fear this.
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@Southern Man
@What said:
“Betas are meant to get married.”
“Sometimes the truth just makes me laugh out loud. That was me, to a T, for over twenty years. Glad the light has finally dawned!”
Southern Man, I have always known that. It didn’t just dawn on me. My template is my grandfather who (passes away) was 70% alpha, 30% beta. He’ll forever be apart of me. Love him.
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Doug,
Somehow you have managed to make the idea of being with an alpha male sound rather unsexy.
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Springfield –
That Slate article by Mark Regnerus implies that the sexual marketplace is always about people dating their own age. Mark Regnerus must be some kind of tool (all writers who work for Slate are tools) if he’s an older guy showing any kind of understanding or respect for a 22 year old’s plight in not getting a commitment from her 22 year old boyfriend, while assuming that he, Mark Regnerus, would not be a viable alternative for her.
He needed to say that men of all age groups were not ready to commit to her. The effect was like him writing “I don’t have viable equipment of my own”.
I suspect an older female editor rewrote it if Regnerus had written a reasonable first draft.
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….i HAVE been mean to you.
i’ll get to work on the dhv stack,
to make it up, i’ll begin posting at YOUR blog
and thereby increase your readership
iin one fell swoop
by 100%
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Chance of divorce
Age…………………..Women..Men
Under 20 years old 27.6% 11.7%
20 to 24 years old 36.6% 38.8%
25 to 29 years old 16.4% 22.3%
30 to 34 years old 8.5% 11.6%
35 to 39 years old 5.1% 6.5%
So marry an older white woman and you’re good for life.
[Editor: Who the hell thinks it’s a prize to marry a has-been cougar? Oh yeah… betas.]
Yeah, women over 25 are cougars. You know who does? Men who want to have (their own) kids, and live with them through maturity.
[Editor: There is a 22% chance that marriage to a woman 25-29 years old will end up in divorce and the usual assortment of emotional and financial ass rapings. That’s 22% too high, bub.]
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[…22% too high…]
I think you underestimate the power of game in an LTR.
[Editor: Hey, a bulletproof vest will stop a bullet, but I’m not gonna try it on to get shot at.]
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