Soul of a woman was created from cats.
Cats are funny. If you’re around a cat, it won’t deign to give you more than a passing token of affection, usually around dinner time. But if you leave it alone for a couple of days, upon return it will rush up to you, urgently meowing and bumping its head into your leg, starved for affection. It will then curl up in your lap, thankful you are back home, and purr contentedly until a glisten of cat saliva forms on its mouth. Then, once a certain amount of time has passed in your lap, (as determined by whatever cat brain mechanism is at work), the cat will decide it has had its fill of your love and promptly jump off to saunter out of the room with the closest approximation to a haughty look a cat can muster. If you attempt to follow it for more petting, it will harshly meow and maybe even take a swipe at you.
The cat wants your love on its terms. It does not value your affection freely given. It is most loveable when it has been psychologically mindfucked to believe it was on the verge of being abandoned. Just like women.
This inscrutability and natural aloofness perfectly explains the appeal of cats to women, and why they identify so strongly with the hellforged beasts. They see in them reflections of their gender’s psychological traits, and, being cognitively biased to project onto an idealized man that which comprises their own contours of sexual desire, thus anthropomorphize the cat into the alpha male lover they wish was courting them.
I like cats. They’re cute, fluffy stress balls. Give ’em a squeeze round the middle and feel your stress melt away. But dogs make better pets. Dog owners tend to be earthy and grounded. Cat owners tend to be drama-prone and concerned with image.
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Heh Vox Day has always said a girl who loves dogs is a safer bet.
It of course isn’t an absolute truth, just another thing about a person to take note of.
You have to add the “not 100% every person” disclaimer or people have aneurysms.
[Editor: Yes, for some reason the sensible and usually implied “exceptions to the rule” caveat gives the mediocre masses an anal fissure flare-up. It’s Very Special Snowflake Syndrome. (VSSS)]
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i think small dogs pose interesting between ground. they’re yappy, narcissistic, prone to bite even their owners (and large dogs that could eat them in a single gulp). women who own small dogs – the paris hilton wannabes of the world – are the most insufferable.
women with small dogs < women with cats < women with dogs.
[Editor: Astute observation. Girls who like big dogs are keepers. Or dykes.]
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Cats are stupid; they don’t have the wits of a snooker ball. That’s why monkeys deny any kinship at all.
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Dog owners tend to be earthy and grounded. Cat owners tend to be drama-prone and concerned with image.
why gay men also prefer cats
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Haven’t we made the connection that dogs are like women and cats are masculine on this blog before?
Women who horde cats do so because of the cat’s aloof nature to fulfill the lack of man in her life is what was said.
Or did I just make all that up?
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As an 18 year old Beta, I bought a kitten. I hated cats. She’s 19 now and still healthy. I treat her exactly this way — I travel often, don’t feed her on HER schedule but mine. Vet says she’s impossibly healthy.
Great post — this is 100% right.
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Since most single women have busy lives, cats are a better pet for them since they can be left alone more. Dogs, especially big, messy ones are much better company though. They make you feel safe at night, will go with you on your errands, eat all the leftovers and curl up on the couch with you whenever you want them to.
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One good thing about a woman with a big dog is that she is unlikely to be fanatical about her house or clothes being perfect. My dog puts her muddy paws all over my clothes.
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Yes, this, so very much this. That outlook on life and girls will also save you a lot of butthurt without turning into a robot. Only correction – that’s not quite why girls like cats, after all they don’t lust after cats ) Rather, cats kinda employ their own game – they also hit certain buttons in the brain, except not attraction, but rather nurture, little baby kind.
“Which girls are better, dogs are better” people – you just don’t get it do ya? Asperger’s is a helluva syndrome 😉
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My last LTR had two big dogs and the key to success with her was to assume the position of pack leader and treat her like one of the pack. I broke up with her right about the time I discovered this blog and some very simple game (I’ll call it “pack leader game”) kept the sex going for another six months.
I still miss those dogs more than I miss her.
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I totally agree with Sofia and her ranking.
I’ve had girlfriends that owned cats and dogs. The ones that owned small dogs were far more insufferable and narcissistic than the ones that owned cats. They needed the small dog as a fashion accessory and needed to hear from everyone how cute the little dog was. They needed the validation from the dog. The cat doesn’t work for them since theirs no guarantee the cat will do everything you command it to do.
Since the great majority of most women these days have small dogs or what they call “companion dogs” — i.e. chihuahuas, yorkshire terriers, pomerarians, I think dog ownership shows far more narcissism than cat ownership.
I’m pretty much alpha in my dealings with women, but I was sore f-ing annoyed that the only time I ever had power struggles with women was when it came to the treatment of their precious little fido. “Why can’t he sleep with us on the bed?” “Why do you make him sleep downstairs in his bed?” “Why can’t we bring him with us on vacation?”
I always thought to myself, “Wait a f-ing second! I beat out all these other guys, got this chick to be 100% loyal to me and not even think about other men, but I got to do battle with her over this 8 lb rat?!” It happens.
I’ve seen dog behavior shows where the man/husband becomes second-class citizen to the little dog. It can easily happen with girls that have the personality type to love little dogs. At least you can never be second-class to a cat.
I give chicks with real dogs — big dogs and working dogs a pass. You can deal with them as human beings. The chicks I dated that had them were athletic, outdoors types. They weren’t narcissist at all and overall pretty cool.
Never let your chick get a little god, I mean little dog.
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Most important is a dog’s loyalty. a dog will take a bullet for you and will fight for you no matter it’s size (except cat like dogs like chihuauas) ….since when did a cat try to defend its owner?
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Only old aging women and SWPL fags like cats.
Men likes dog out of utility and so does the rich, reason being it can be ordered around. Not to mention cats have no loyalty or any useful value.
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I have a teeny tiny doggy. He always barks and tries to bite people. It’s too funny! I chose a small dog because I didn’t want to pick up mammoth sized poops. Plus, my little dog gets his exercise running around the house, for those days when it’s too cold to be out. Not taking a big dog out for a walk two times a day is just wrong. So tiny dog owners probably tend to have a much more sedentary lifestyle-like moi!
I know an alpha hot hot hot male who owns a fat cat. The alpha dude is totally concerned with image.
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The King,
Cats are useful for killing mice and rats.
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“I know an alpha hot hot hot male who owns a fat cat. The alpha dude is totally concerned with image.”
I’ll bet he’s an overweight, former quarterback, used car salesman with a big hipped formerly hot wife.
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I’ve long noted the resemblance between cats and women. If you chase them they run away. If you ignore them they won’t leave you alone. And they get mad when you grab at their tails.
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My family has a cat, and the only way to deal successfully with cats: Asshole Game.
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Believe it or not, as a 41 yr old guy, I actually prefer cats. I respect cats. Cats don’t take shit off of anyone. Smack a dog and it will pout and whimper beside your leg. Dogs have no self-respect. A dog would suck his own dick if he could. Where I live, on the west coast, dog owners wear plastic gloves when they take their dogs for a walk, so that they can pick up their shit when they poop. It’s fucking disgusting. I’m glad that they pick up their shit so I don’t have to walk in it…but why would you want a dog in the first place if you must spend a significant quantity of your personal time handling dog shit? I’ll take a cat anyday, and yes, the game analogy works. Cats do indeed practice aloof, asshole game.
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WOMEN IS THE NIGGER OF THE WORLD
SOUL OF A WOMEN WAS CREATED FOR LOVE
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I’ll bet he’s an overweight, former quarterback, used car salesman with a big hipped formerly hot wife.
Noo, he’s 6’4″ of hotness. But the dude is contantly feeding his cat. The thing is sooo huuuge. I always grab the fat cat and cuddle with it, being ever so careful to keep my eyeballs away from the sharp claws. She’s quite fiesty!
[Editor: Haha, yes watch those claws. Sounds like an alpha cat. Just a hint of danger for your pleasure!]
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Lara, call me sick and damaged, but if I see a single girl with a big dog, first thing on my mind would be whether she’s hitting that. lolz. And yes, Gladius, those kind of chicks are different, perhaps with more man-like minds… Not that there’s anything wrong with that, heh.
Southern man, The_King.. Read your comments in Dwight Shrute’s voice. Use it as a test, like the Jumbotron, whenever you talk to women.
collegeslacker – why you need to game the cat? I got 99 problems, but a cat ain’t one ))
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Women are still cats and birds. Or at best, cows.
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I’ve noticed that girls with bulldogs tend to do anal on the first date. Dogs have utility but they’re also retards. Cats, if you understand that they exist to kill, are pretty cool. My bachelor pad has no bugs or mice (a bird made the mistake of sneaking into my house … very messy) despite my less than stellar cleaning habits. That’s why the don’t “behave,” they don’t respect you enough to stop being killers and to sit like pwetty wittle babies.
Cats also self groom and hide their poo. Most problems with cats (and dogs too) comes from owners who fail to properly socialize them.
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You missed that *the* way to “play” with a cat is to push it away. It keeps coming back. As soon as you pull it in it pushes away.
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owners with fat cats or fat dogs must be sad people. Food isn’t love.
Guests at my house, male or female, are instructed to play with the cats. Watch how even a 10 pound cat would rather be chasing a feather than be a cuddle bunny. I think it defags the whole cat thing for the guys and gives off an alpha, parental vibe for the girls (I hope.)
Anyway, my pets are lean and friendly because of it.
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I have conducted some experiments using cats as subjects on the concept Alpha Massage. That is, how to give woman a hands-on massage that sends a clear signal to her hind brain that THIS massage is not going to a form of supplication from a desperate to please geek-boy.
Obviously, this kind of work could not be done using human subjects. Even if there was consent, the only honest way to find out where “edge” lies is to go over it. And the likely results of that might be hard to explain to the authorities.
It might be in everyones best interest if I skip over the subject of the methods employed and just get right to the results of a typical session.
Begin with the kind of gentle stretchy tickles they are used to but then rapidly escalate to pulling and stretching things in a way that causes some alarm but not panic. If there are obvious signs of panic just back off for a second but make it clear that this is only headed one way. Continue until your own arms are tired.
Imagine a full grown female alley cat (untraceable) being twisted and stretched in outrageous, hard to look at ways. Her muscles virtually limp. No apparent resistance. No apparent discomfort. (cats don’t really have bones) Her eyes are crossed and half closed. There is some drool. Since there does not seem to be an “edge” out there to find I put this one back in the alley and get some rest.
I lived on that alley. In the day time, these same cats would always ignore me. But when I sat on the deck all sweaty after my late night run at least one of them would come slinking over for another dose.
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Interestingly, while women expect her lovers to resemble cats, most men expect they women to be dog-like in nature.
That is, fun loving, freely affectionate, upbeat, loyal and always willing to play.
Human projection mechianism is really interesting.
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-Put a dog in a cage and it starts barking howling after 2 minutes
-Put a cat in cage it will start soft meowing maybe after 30 minutes
-A lot non large dogs (or dogs without some wolf in them) are ungraceful and un athletic.
-Cats, even from a young age are very athletic and graceful. A cat of mine several months younger than my dog can jump from my table onto the refrigerator. Dog can barely go from ground to couch even though dog is bigger
-A dog shits and pees where he sees fit. If hes laying on your legs, he just shits or poos right there.
-A cat is litter trained for a month and he knows forever whenever he has to go, he must go to the litter box and nowhere else.
-Everytime I come home dog comes up to me and greet me, always a plus.
-Everytime I come cat also greets me and rubs against my leg rather than licking me.
A cat will be loyal and show affection, however there are rules. I found that cats in a family usually show the most affection to the FATHER of the family, even though it is someone else feeding it.
You can say cats are animals for betas, but in my experience they have a radar for the alpha man and they really do treat him likes he’s on top.
On the other hand I love dogs with wolf mixed into them. As much as I love cats, a cat wouldn’t protect you or get your back like some big dogs will.
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Sorry for the mispellings. English is not my language.
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This all just first principles.
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It’s much like saying “The sky is sometimes blue.”
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I Love dogs and I’ve been called a dog magnet!! hehe!! They LOOOOOOVE me tooo. Guess what? I don’t own one cause I just couldn’t leave it at home alone when I go to work. I can’t stand the thought of the sweet, cutie alone at home or anywhere else. I hate people who have pets and leave them alone. Selfish people!!!! bad!!! Cats on the other hand can be left alone and that’s ok. I like them too, but I love the affection that dog shows…. Dogs aren’t afraid of strong emotions. The more you feel for them, the more they respond to you. I simply think and feel love and they respond to me. Magnet!!!! lol!!!!
Interesting story…..I was in a store and once I walked in I saw this dog. I think It’s the store owner’s dog. I started making baby sounds and talking all sweet and cute to it. I said, ” ohhhhh sweeeeetie, how cute , sooooooo sweeeett…. Coome heeere.” He came over started wagging his tail. I kneel down and started caressing it and petting it and touching it while still saying googoo, gaga stuff to it. The owner was shocked!!!! She said that her dog NEVER let’s anyone touch the back of him…I guess she meant near his bum, bum.hehe!! Hey, I was all over him! hahhaha!! He was soooooo cute! I have so many dog stories I can go on and on.
Big dogs are great! You can warm your feet on them!!! heheheh!!!
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@collegeslacker
“My family has a cat, and the only way to deal successfully with cats: Asshole Game.”
You got me bursting out in laughter!!!bahhhhhh!!! lol!!! Love how you have related it to game!!! Asshole Game!!! lol!!!
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3430430/Tragic-dads-cut-out-of-their-kids-lives.html
Just more cat-like behavior: Cruelty.
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I think the fact that the cat has been domesticated but STILL HUNTS, even without being taught, as far as I’m aware, is another similarity. We’ve been civilized but women still like to strike out as the hypergamous fiends they are, as though we’re still in the wild, left with no options.
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Lara,
Dog’s on the couch to cuddle with? I talk about this on my truth about women series: you fit the bill to a tee. Dogs are not your cuddle toys.
Roissy is of course spot on with the feline analogy. I grew up surrounded by women and there was always a cat in the house, I learned early how to treat both properly.
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WSJ (supposed Alpha rag) in reality fat 40yo wife rag…talks about No Good Men
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448.html
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I like cats. They’re cute, fluffy stress balls.
That’s precisely what they are.
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Jessica Wakeman getting a shave.
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this post has got more shit in it than a Chipotle toilet during a one dollar bean dish special.
It’s dog owners who’re all screwed up. Cats make the perfect pets. Only fish can compare and they still rank much lower.
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“Dog owners tend to be earthy and grounded. Cat owners tend to be drama-prone and concerned with image.”
why gay men also prefer cats
Drama-prone and concerned with image? PUAs are always with their image in the eyes of women. A good PUA also has a knack of drama required to keep a woman on her toes. Cat ownership and being a PUA go very well together.
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sophia why did you let your blog go?
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I did know one cat who could not get enough affection. Not surprisingly to the readers of this article, his name, reflecting his girth, was “Fatty.”
Again, the similarities….
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Cat people are just inferior.
Enjoy your shitbox.
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wow, what a novel simile.
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Vito Corleone
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Roissy, I made the same exact points, with different wording on a couple PUA site, and got shot down. It wasn’t because you can communicate better, but that many men are not ready to hear it.
The most common comments were, “My gf isn’t like that” and “you cannot be so general about women”.
After two years as a student of Roissy, (by the way, do you have a graduate degree or even an associate degree for the education you provide?), I realized it is because this is advanced thought that many men are not ready to hear it. The general audience on a PUA site are in training. It takes a man ready to go beyond the basics to understand and accept what you wrote.
It takes men who are already fairly successful to take the step further to adopt this advanced training.
Thank you for your help.
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This is a good observation that I’ve made myself before.
Cats are the perfect pets if you know how to deal with them. Basically, like women, you need to show them who’s boss.
Push-pull works great (stroke them once, out of nowhere, and walk off) as do regular acts of assholery (kicking them out of the way of the door for instance)
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I remember years ago hearing Adam Carolla (man of genius) make this connection on Loveline with Dr. Drew.
He didnt use the term exactly, but he basically said men without game are to women what retards are to cats.
Put a retard in a room with a cat, and he will freak the cat out. Too much affection, spazzy body language, neediness, etc. puts the uptight, selfish, narcissistic little creature on edge.
It’s a damn good analogy.
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I love dogs the most out of all animals but the next mammal that I purchase as a pet will most likely be a cat. Felines don’t have to be walked (which is a major time saver); they don’t urinate/deficate in the large quantities expected of dogs (plus, they do so in a litter box) and thus they are easier to clean up after; and, to top it all off they don’t cost as much money for grooming as a small dog does.
Lap dogs require regular grooming every six to 8 weeks or their hair will mat up and become gross. These are definitely the types of dogs for people who don’t mind having a high maintenance pet.
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How about something from the Lynx family?
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Cats are aloof, uncaring, with their own agendas, like men should be. Dogs are excitable, happy and need constant love, much like women. In these companions, we see what we seek from the humans we want to be our companions. I’m a fan of big dogs myself, huskies, akitas, and such.
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Actually, cats are much more intelligent than the author gives credit. If its being mistreated, it will simply leave and find a better home.
Women can keep their options open too.
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I lived for a while in the worst part of a dirty, crime ridden city. (Hello, Boston) School, and all of that. I rode my bike nearly everywhere because the mbta was a cesspool of hate and danger for skinny white guys. In those days at least.
Certain areas had a lot of vicious dogs running lose as a matter of communal policy. To put fear into anyone from outside. But I fucking was from outside no matter where I went in that town.
The thing is, even the dummest pit bull understands the basics of political theory. And if you own a bike, no one will question the need for you to have a 3 foot length of chrome steel chain with a heavy lock on one end.
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I’d love to see a “team photo” of the people who comment on these articles. I’ll bet it would look like a special olympics snapshot – no offense to the mentally retarded.
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Why all the hating on cats?
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What matters to men on this blog is the nature of the sexual activation curcuits inside the brains of fuckable human females. The sounds and scribblings emanting from unfuckable females is just noise.
If you want to be taken seriously, put up some pics of you on all fours with your knees well apart. Then we will know whether or not you exist – regarding this conversation.
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Want the best of both worlds- get a Russian Blue.
My buddy has one. It tried to follow us to the bar one night. Cat walked with us lock-step for a couple of blocks until we realized that we had to turn around or he would have followed us all the way there.
You can leash train them too.
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Hindu Laws of Manu, chapter 4:195. (A man/woman) who, ever covetous, displays the flag of virtue, (who is) a hypocrite, a deceiver of the people, intent on doing injury, (and) a detractor (from the merits) of all men, one must know to be one who acts like a cat.
Yep, sounds like a woman to me. 😉
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I LOL’d at “hellforged beasts”.
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Girls who have big dogs aren’t necessarily keepers.
More specifically, girls who have small dogs are rather definitely ejectable.
Did I say dogs? I meant “small mammals that superficially resemble dogs but bear closer resemblance to fashion accessories.”
Also known as Fashion rats.
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You have a lot to learn about cats.
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Or this, from a guy whose roomie had a Bobcat:
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“chic noir
this post has got more shit in it than a Chipotle toilet during a one dollar bean dish special. ”
True.
Speak about women, about animals you do not understand a thing.
A lot of idiots in comments too. Whoever coward makes an animal suffer for their retard prejudices deserve the same fate.
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Dogs are more loyal, but mindless servants, cats are individuals. And yes, if you cut their gonads off, they will start loving the owner instead of sex, just like humans will usually lose interest in sex if you castrate them.
I like tomcats. They treat you more like your friend if you’re their (legal) owner, and they usually only care about fucking and fighting other than that. It’s my kind of grounded friend.
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@editor, gorbachev, whiskey & clear thinkers.
Why are there no hot chicks employed at WalMart and statistically none at Target and other bargain barns? I understand that Unattractive, Under-educated Women gotta eat (and therefore the bargain barn employment rolls and checkout lines are saturated with them) but local taverns, Hooters and strip clubs cannot possibly employ all the many others (Attractive, Under-educated Women) on the opposite end of the bell curve, right? Yet they gotta eat, too.
It’s as if the AUWs wouldn’t be caught 3-days dead and embalmed in a bargain barn, not shopping or no-freakin-way working. So who or what employs, rank and file, big clumps of AUWs? Whatever the employment demographic, they (AUWs) must be making above average hourly wage, hence not witnessed shopping at the local bargain barn out of budgetary necessity.
What am I missing, here?
[Editor: Possible answers:
A lot of SWPLly chicks shop online nowadays.
Attractive people in general tend to have better jobs than uglies.
Attractive women are in pharma sales, where, if you aren’t a doc, you’re not going to run into them on the job that often.
Exceptionally attractive women have found sugar daddies.
There aren’t that many attractive women. WIth 60%+ of Americans fat and getting fatter, most women you see employed at the major retail chains are obese slobs. Employers would prefer to hide these affronts to beauty in the back offices or the warehouse out of sight, but since so many people are fat thay have no choice but to employ them in positions where there repulsiveness will be seen.]
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Most other service sector or middle office reception HR jobs. Also high end retail. Beta providers also feed them.
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As someone who has a hole house full of cats, I can tell you the author of this post knows nothing about either cats or women.
[Editor: A “hole” houseful, eh? By any chance, do you have a purple saguaro growing on your nightstand?]
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Spinster, err – I mean Slimmer has a point!
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Off-topic: Article about how the low cost of sex to men (relative to other times) has resulted in less successful men careerwise. Could an alternate explanation be unwitting asshole game by men on college campuses?
http://www.slate.com/id/2286240/pagenum/all/#p2
“Jill, a 20-year-old college student from Texas, is one of the many young women my colleagues and I interviewed who finds herself confronting the sexual market’s realities. Startlingly attractive and an all-star in all ways, she patiently endures her boyfriend’s hemming and hawing about their future.”
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Kind of right in your comparison between cats and women – and yet, I’m surprised your prefer dogs. A dog will put up with any shit you throw at them, while cats will just leave if they’re not satisfied with you. Plus, where dogs are needy (always seeking for approval); cats are the definition of aloofness. To sum, dogs are full of beta traits, while cats have always looked more alpha to me. Just saying.
Btw, anyone willing to hand some advice? Foreign girl staying here for 5 months, she’s been flirting back with me; but last night she invited me to come up to her place to have the last beer. We stayed until 5 am talking, but she made sure to keep the distance and was even a bit cold, until the situation became a bit awkward. She’s got a boyfriend back in Holland, and obviolusly knows my intentions. Any ideas on what should be my move?
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“Why are there no hot chicks employed at WalMart and statistically none at Target and other bargain barns?”
Those jobs don’t pay much. Attractive women can get MUCH better paying low-skill jobs just because they are attractive. Cocktail waitresses, for example, are hired primarily for their looks. They can make more on a Saturday night than a Wal-Mart greeter makes in a week.
An exception to the Wal-mart rule is a store like Fry’s Electronics. It’s a big chain store with discount prices, but the customer base is probably 90% male. So Fry’s hires 16- to 20-year-old hotties as greeters. Very smart.
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I’m a bit disturbed by the comparison of a woman to a cat, given that my cat generally comes to me for affection while I’m on the toilet.
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There are 2 K-Marts near me. Only 1 has cute teen girls. Target is like upscale k-mart, so they usually have some cute girls working there. Here, at least
Anyway, I thought everyone here knew that if you don’t want to go to a mall to look for hot employees, which EVERY DOUCHEBAG will be doing, your safest bets are Barnes n Noble, or an art store. Always hot little things working there.
Also good for the hot customers. Women love to imagine they’re well-read and artistic.
Bookstore, art store and produce section. Always hot chicks.
BTW, don’t buy anything in the art store because they’re almost always run by women and therefor suck beyond comprehension.
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I thought women were the niggers of the world?
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[…] and Life Trajectory“, “A Girl’s Tricks for Scoring Free Drinks“, “Woman is the Kitty of the World”Mike – “Misandry“, “What is a Beta Male?”Max – […]
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@Jenny
“Actually, cats are much more intelligent than the author gives credit. If its being mistreated, it will simply leave and find a better home.
Women can keep their options open too.”
The cat analogy stops there b/c chicks never do.
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Why bother with women anyway. They’re not good for anything. All this analysis for what?
[Editor: Caricature troll.]
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While I believe the article is right about womens’ emotional attachments, there are also similarities between women and dogs.
Just as dogs display greater intelligence than humans in their first days, months, and even year of life, girls seem to be smarter than boys in the earlier years of life.
In short order, of course, dogs are quickly surpassed in intelligence by humans.
And just as dogs are quickly surpassed by humans, so woman are surpassed by men.
I’ve read a lot here and elsewhere lately on how woman occupy the middle of the bell curve of human intelligence. Just curious if anyone’s seen such a study comprised of 35 year-olds and 45 year-olds. I kinda doubt it.
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‘The sexes deceive themselves about each other: the reason is that in reality they honour and love only themselves (or their own ideal, to express it more agreeably). Thus man wishes woman to be peaceable: but in fact woman is ESSENTIALLY unpeaceable, like the cat, however well she may have assumed the peaceable demeanour’.
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@Laura
May I ask why you need a cat to kill rodents? You must live in the ghetto or a farm.
Cats are a bad status symbol, along with fish and birds.
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@last tango
Whom? I do not watch tv. Must be a preole thing to make these references and expecting the other to get it.
Also I do not care, how others will say what I wrote since I always naturally pass the test.
Next time, please add to the discussion and refrain from making inane personal attacks on an anonymous internet forum.
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Also, cats are in a perpetual, low level war with all other cats – except maybe the ones they live with, though even then…like women.
There are no “cat parks” where the little creatures play together.
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@Simple Man
It’s hard for a man to commit but once they do they don’t want to leave.
[Editor: If by commit, you mean marry, then there is a good reason men wouldn’t want to leave: they get royally screwed by the divorce industrial complex. Otherwise, your take is at odds with reality. Women are the ones who invest more once they commit to a man in a nonmarital relationship, and are thus less eager to walk off.]
That’s why women are
more likely to end relationships because they are less willing to settle. Hence, women keep their options open.
[You misspelled marriages.]
Clearly you underestimate women. By publicising all these ‘tips’ for the pseudo alpha insecure man, you’re just revealing to the world that you’re full of shit?
[You write like a cunt. We’ve had quite a few of your type stumble onto the grounds here at the Chateau.]
Hardly the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
[Spot the irony.]
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science:
http://news.discovery.com/animals/cats-humans-pets-relationships-110224.html
Cats Adore, Manipulate Women
Cats attach to humans, and particularly women, as social partners, and it’s not just for the sake of obtaining food.
manipulate women, huh?
philosophy:
“The sexes deceive themselves about each other: the reason is that in reality they honour and love only themselves (or their own ideal, to express it more agreeably). Thus man wishes woman to be peaceable: but in fact woman is ESSENTIALLY unpeaceable, like the cat, however well she may have assumed the peaceable demeanour” – Nietzsche
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The eye of the dog irresistibly evokes the impression that the dog has lost something: it speaks of him (as does the dog’s whole bearing) of a certain mysterious relationship to the past. What it has lost is the I, self worth, freedom.
lol
http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/cheveng.html
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GET TAUGHT BY THE TEACHER THAT’S MOST DOMINANT
Cats go around killing small animals and hunting for you, women don’t do anything near as cool.
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@Editor
Actually, I don’t mean marriage, I mean long term relationships.
[Editor: Then you are wrong. When a woman has committed to a man she loves in a nonmarital relationship, she is loathe to leave it without a very good reason. This is because women’s window of sexual market viability is shorter than men’s, and each year invested in an LTR incurs a bigger cost on a woman than it does on a man.
Now, if you are speaking of women leaving betas on a whim, then that does happen. But then you have to ask why these women are settling with betas. Most likely, their biological clock is ticking, and the alphas they want are not available to them for commitment. Game repurposes these betas to be more attractive to women, including the women who have settled for them, so game brings more happiness into the world.]
Men are unwilling to leave bad relationships, women have to be the ones to end them.
[Men often check out of relationships without formally ending them. Men have a harem mentality that women don’t have, so it makes no sense to men to formally kick out a second tier girl who is still giving him her pussy. But that doesn’t mean the women who eventually do leave aloof lovers are going away winners. Women often feel like crap for having to pull the plug on LTRs with alpha males that were not leading to marriage.]
Wow, you are such a charming man, with such extensive and polite vocabulary, no wonder women fall at your feet. [You can spot the irony here too, if it’s not obvious enough for you.]
[My charm must be earned. You haven’t earned it. Instead, you marched into this happy hunting ground like a raging cunt. Waddaya expect?]
I’m intrigued, does the game teach you to be openly disrespectful towards the opposite sex?
[Respect, too, must be earned. Sporting a pussy between your legs does not qualify you for automatic respectful indulgence. This goes for men as well as women. Since you are new here, you should be aware that stupid men have gotten just as much shit from me as have stupid women.]
Or is your miserable attitude a byproduct through years of only being able to bed stupid, insecure, cheap skanks and prostitutes?
[You hurt your mother.]
As clearly, no woman of sane mind or with an ounce of self-respect would date you.
[If you only knew…]
I’ve heard of The Game from male friends, but they do not bahave like you. Somewhere in your past is one seriously fucked up relationship.
[What I “behave” like with feminine women I like is quite different than how I behave with you.
Hint: It’s the cuntiness, dear.]
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I like turtles.
(ok, and cats)
The cardinal error people always do with cats is constantly staring at them with great big eyes and then expecting them to come to you.
Futile, as this is basically how cats initiate fights.
Ignore the crap out of them and they come. Mostly. What really makes them better than women is that they eventually leave you alone!
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Hey Jenny, I saw your youtube vid, and you are good looking. But honey, you’re young. Recommendation: follow this blog and learn something. Sure, you’re an up and coming medical/media celeb, but you’re only 22. Alphas will pump and dump you, so you better get used to the taste of upper beta meat.
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I’m sure Jenny has no problem getting top quality men.
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CR is right. Men, especially alphas, don’t seem to formally end relationships. As long as you don’t hassle them too much, they usually don’t completely cut off contact with you.
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damn you roissy, now i can’t get the goddamn meow mix song out of my head
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haha. Lara, you are too stoopid to read. Men, especially alphas, don’t seem to formally end marriages, due to divorce rape. Got it? Not relationships, but marriages. An alpha will nix a relationship whenever he feels like it.
And Jenny can get top quality men, I’m sure. Upper beta is top quality, methinks. But alpha? haha, no. Jenny darling has no power over an alpha. None.
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So Tim, what will you do when you fall in love? You seen proud to be insensitive and heartless.
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There’s an interesting fact about “smart” girls like Jenny: they love to take it in the ass.
High g/high t bitches are easily distracted from the feminist pussyline — because they’re in love with the idea of their “freedom.”
A man who can work with a dully depraved daisy like Jenny is in for a treat.
All those years of being the good girl leads to a nicely tense and twitchy lordosis in doggie style.
You’ll learn this, Jennifer.
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I thought all girls loved to take it in the ass.
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I hate all drawn-on eyebrows with a passion.
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The Rules were written for women to control ‘alphas’.
As Newton said, for every action is an equal and opposite reaction.
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Jenny,
You are very pretty 🙂
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Jasmine,
Tim isn’t always so mean. He has a very warm heart when he cares to show it.
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Ran into a former oneitis who gave me the silent treatment after an attempted ladder jump almost two years ago. I made three or four attempts to establish contact after the fact, then gave up. I’ve moved on, smartened up, landed a girl, but it still stings.
We live in the same general area, so our paths overlap every few months. I’ve always made sure to be social, keep the chin up, be the one to end it first, and not make any reference to seeing her or talking to her again in the future.
It’s worked fairly well — I can tell that she respects me more now. Today I saw her across a restaurant doing the same-sider bullshit with her current boyfriend.
I saw her while walking toward the exit, briefly hesitated for a moment while confirming to myself that it was them (probably too quick to be noticed), and decided I didn’t feel like dealing with her/their bullshit and kept walking out.
Was this the right play? I keep going back and forth on it. Any suggestions for next time? Something similar to this will probably happen again in the next few weeks.
Gorby and Rollo – You guys are beautiful and you’ve helped me immensely.
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Tim,
I wasn’t really talking about marriage. I just think betas and alphas have a slightly different mentality about relationships. Betas seem as if they liked to be owned by one woman. Alphas don’t seem to have as much of a desire for that.
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@ vatican assassin,
She’s not a “former” oneitis. That’s the problem.
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@ n/a
Interesting take. Sadly, she insists on remaining really hot. Is there any good writing on dealing with a situation like this?
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roissy your responses to readers have me lol’ing
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@ Lara,
“Betas seem as if they liked to be owned by one woman.”
Appropriate use of the passive voice.
The difference is this: the alpha male enjoys women, while the beta male is anxious to be judged worthy by them.
The latter state is an awkward condition.
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@ vatican,
How badly do you want to fuck her? that’s the only question.
Contact her and tell her to meet you somewhere, alone. Be brief and to the point. You have something to tell her.
When you see her, give her a lean and hungry look. Such looks are dangerous.
Then get close and tell her she has a sweet body and a hot mouth and you want to be back inside both. Then walk away.
Time and place when she calls you. No texts.
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Vatican Assinin
If you are looking for some good writing on your dilemma check out the Marquis de Sades seminal work, “120 Days in Sodom”. And if you still have your nerves intact, check out “Justine” by the same author.
The Marquis did not waste words on trying to cheer up his readers.
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(Yawn)
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@ n/a
It isn’t so much that I want to fuck her, at least not any more than I conceptually want to fuck anyone as good or better looking than her. I’m very, very happy with the girl I’ve got now, and I’m not trying to settle any scores.
What bothers me is that I was messed up over this for months, while she promptly got someone else and has always appeared completely unaffected. I root for some kind of karmic retribution, but she hasn’t gotten fat or cheated on or anything delicious like that.
I mainly want to handle the occasional, random face-to-faces in a way that would drive her as nuts as possible. Her trying to initiate contact with me would be a satisfying moral victory.
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Hao Jenny u wanna have a Fiesta?
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alos i am now into chicks with bushy bushsy hbushes zlzollzllzl
you know so mank chisx too may ccheickks shaev down tehre
ask them why they shave down there sometime
and they will tell you
“well my last boyrfirend asked me too.”
and then you go, “you know why?”
and she’ll go, “huh?”
and you say, “because he wankts to pron and its all shaved clean tehre so he wanted to wank to you lzozzlz how does it feel to know you have to live up to porn sites>? zlzozlzlozlolzz “
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Listen up. Bang! Bang! Rum fires his 6 gun in the air to gather your respectful attention.
The single best book about ever written to explain America and its current difficulties is one put out first in 1968 called “Lone Star” by T.R Fehrenbach. There is a more recent addition but never mind that.
It was presented as a deep history of the state of Texas but no one who read it all the way thru was left confused as to his real subject.
Which is: Some groups of people can get along and some cannot. When they cannot, the issue can only be resolved by the going away of certain trouble making groups. And it makes no difference what you think about it.
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“Want the best of both worlds- get a Russian Blue.”
I have a Russian Blue mix. He’s fantastic – very athletic, will carry things around like a dog, and is very attached.
Maybe a little too attached for a cat.
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You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it’s me, I’m a little fucked up maybe, but I’m funny how, I mean funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
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I’m not worried about Jenny.
She’ll spend her years in medical school getting pumped & dumped by guys two points above her. Why should she settle for a beta? She’s going to be a Great Doctor Who Helps Children. Jenny shits skittles and dances under rainbows. She deserves an alpha.
Then, when she turns 38, she’ll get a cat.
Then, at 42, she’ll get another one.
At 46, she’ll get a third cat.
At 72, when she dies alone in her apartment, her collection of cats will eat her and the circle will be complete.
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buttthexuhalluhya!!!!!!!!
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It’s nine o’clock on a Sunday
The Chateau crowd shuffles in
Jenny the hot chick is arguin’ with Roissy
Makin’ everyone sit back and grin (lzozlzoz)
Roissy says, “GBFM, can you play me a memory
I’m not really sure how it goes
But it’s sad and it’s sweet and I knew it complete
When she wore my load on her nose.”
La la la, di da da
La la, di da da da dum
Chorus:
Butthex her butthole you’re the neocon man,
Tape it secretly tonight
You’ll get a book advance from a woman,
Just remember to lube it it’s tight.
Now Jenny at the bar is no friend of mine
She wants me to buy her drinks for free
And she’s quick with a joke or tucker max/goldman sax butthex poke,
But there’s someplace that she’d rather be
She says, “GBFM, I believe this is killing me.”
As the roissy load dripped off her face
“Well I’m sure that I could be in Roissy’s car
If I could promise him some face”
Oh, la la la, di da da
La la, di da da da dum
Now Kay Hyumowitz is a pseudo intellectual
Who never understood a man’s life
. . . ..
lzozlozozoz
someebdody finish for me pelase i am sooooooooooooooo tirredd!! ! lzozlzlozolza
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Jenny Hao has a weird head.
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I’m chuckling to myself as I read these responses. The thing about you ‘alphas’ is you pride yourselves in a sense of superiority which is so prejudiced, you’re blindsided to the slow moving trainwreck you’re heading for. It’s funny to see a man’s ego so big, they’ve lost all insight and the ability to self-reflect. Humility is an understated characteristic which would do you well.
Of course you are disposed to making disparaging remarks about me, it’s the conditional response you’ve been indoctrined to give. Instead of the flurry of contempt and retort you have got me, I urge you to open your eyes and examine what this kind of existence will eventually reward you with.
[Editor: Did you just get dumped or something?]
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Jenny, the proper analogy is that we *are* the trainwreck, not an oncoming party to it. Get your metaphors straight, dear…
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true story: Went home with this woman that had a little poodle dog.
Poodle dog got kicked off the bed so we could have sex.
In the morning, I found a perfectly place little poodle turd in my shoe!!
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Roissy, you are dead on here, but as a “Cat Whisperer” let me expand on this metaphor a bit.
By way of qualification, let me offer that as a boy I had the opportunity to raise four bengal tigers, and one lion; and my house cat happily goes around town with me running errands. (talk about a girl magnet!) She also comes when I call her.
Okay, here’s the thing:
There is a big difference between a little cat like a housecat and a big cat like bengal tiger for instance.
A housecat is skittish and reactive, a tiger is cool and calm.
A tiger can easily hurt you without even trying, a housecat has to try to hurt you.
A tiger could literally bite your head off, a housecat cannot.
A tiger has a much larger brain than a housecat.
A tiger will go swimming in the ocean with you, a housecat is too chicken.
A tiger is waaay more affectionate than a housecat.
The Tiger is the Alpha Female, and the housecat is the Beta Female.
Beta females are safer, weaker, and more skittish. You can only play so rough with a housecat.
Alpha females are more dangerous, very strong, and not skittish at all. They stand up roughhousing.
A common criticism of Game is that men somehow prey on weaker women… Which is backwards! The truth is, the more Alpha a woman, the better she will respond to Game.
You greater betas out there take note, as you increase your Alphatude look for higher alpha females to challenge your shit-test passing ability. Super alpha females give you intense shit tests, you have to have steely-eyed resolve. Be prepared to pull back, leave, walk away at any moment. You have to have balls like this guy:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=132697620076390&comments
In the end, if you are man enough to stand up to a tiger (Alpha Female), you will be rewarded with more affection, more intelligence, more fun, more love.
Notice how the gentleman in the video is snuggling with multiple big cats at the same time? ‘Nuff said.
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greenlander
Med school students, and doctors in general, are in the main nerdy social retards. She’s not all that high on the scale to start with, but there really won’t be too many guys 2+ points above her (at least not before they’re pulling in the big bucks, which doesn’t happen for at least 6-7 more years after med school).
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I’m glad this thread finally moved away (mostly) from the topic of dogs versus cats. I was beginning to get really worried about who was posting here, and why.
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Insteresting fact: here in Brazil a hot person is often called a “cat”, either male or female.
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In North America we say people are “as ugly as a dog”, and it can apply to males or females.
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yes, mukluk, slang is uniform across all of north america. good job son
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“…Humility is an understated characteristic which would do you well. …”
Humility never made a girl’s panties wet.
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RE: Miss Hao
Some of you commenters need to spend more time on the west coast. Jenny sucky sucky 5 dolla’s looks are nothing to fawn over. San Jose State has equivalent looking girls that are actually still Chinese i.e. feminine.
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Dull post.
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LOVE your video. That’s a pretty posh accent you have – Ox?
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@real talk
Thanks dad!
And Jenny’s pretty hot, I mean she’s better than the last couple asian chicks I been with, but damn, those fucked up eyebrows! Maybe it’s just me but it grosses me out.
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@Jenny
so other than you disdain for the proprietor, are you saying that you don’t agree with the general premise? I’m just not sure if you are disagreeing with the conceptual idea or the messenger.
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It’s also 90% that she had a nosejob, and possibly other facial work.
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Jenny. Typical westernised american little chink – all massive ego and half truths as they spend their time working with/being approached by dorks in the tech industry, giving themselves an over inflated self worth and bullshy outlook. Got news for you – apart from your wirey thick pubic hair no doubt – i’ve been to where you originated from and fucked girls twice as hot as you for an investment of less than ten dollars. In the bigger scheme of things, you aint shit. ‘oh look at me tho im so smart, im so clever im going to be a doctor’ – you do realise that intelligence in girls – bar basic functioning and not being a complete tard, – is of no social capital to us guys whatsoever. I bet your vile parents tingle with glee at the economic migrant that you are, all prospects and potbetial security. Truth is tho, you will never, ever be accepted in this country on a cultural level, doctor or no doctor.
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jenny’s not stunning, but she’s not a minger either. asian girls like her are a dime a dozen in nyc.
need to see the body before i give her a score. faces all pretty much look the same when covered with a fresh coat of skeet.
i bet genghis khan would do her in the butthex.
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Hilarious.
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I guess that makes Good Luck Chuck the pussy of the world.
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OT: scholarship for white men:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361139/Texas-group-launches-scholarship-white-men-ONLY–need-equal-shot.html
Money quote – “college officials in Texas have said there is little they can do to prevent it.”
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Can I pretty please jump on the supposedly hot Asian chick bandwagon? ‘Cause I’m an uber geek too!
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Jenny, my dear, the only things a woman has of value are her youth, attractiveness and fertility. Men generally don’t care if you’re a doctor or went to Yale or won an award for Being The Most Likely Pre-Med Student To Poop Skittles. Your attractiveness *is* vitally connected to you, because it’s 80% of what men care about. (The other 20% is how much of a pain in the ass you are to deal with. Ironically, going to medical school is probably going to give you an ego the size of New Hampshire, which counter-intuitively reduces your value as a mate.)
When the man gets so old that he tires of the quest for fresh poon.
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Holy christ. leave jenny alone with the harshing. You dicks act like obsolete MM Neg Factories.
You think you never saw a bit of posh before. stfu
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You make it sound like I’m trying to run game on Jenny.
I’m not. I’m six thousand miles from her.
I’m just giving her some intellectual honesty. She came her asking for it and I’m giving it to her.
If she just wants politically-correct feminist BS blown up her ass she should have went to feministing.com instead.
Firepower, what’s up with you and the white knighting? Women are like children: they’re too simple to really “grok” intellectually honesty. They simply aren’t capable of doing better. It’s guys like you–who are capable logic and reasoning but who refuse to engage in it– who are the real enemy of a more civilized world.
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[Cry for attention from asian attention whore]
[Editor: Is this any way for a future doctor of America to behave? Listen up, and listen good, Pippi Cuntstocking. Your complaints about this blog and the proprietors are nothing new. It’s been done a thousand times before by trolls and haters better than you. And it’s been discredited a thousand times before. So to everyone’s ears except the long distance yellow fever love connectors, your lame schtick is beyond stale. Kinda like Confucian philosophy.
You are not insightful.
You are not original.
You are not perceptive.
You are the all-blabbing, all-bitching cliche of the world.
Go find yourself a pasty-face white boy med student to foot your fake eyebrow bills and try not to dream of poking your tiger mom in the eyeballs with chopsticks.]
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fuck this place
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Instead of addressing my arguments, some men seem to have gone down the schoolboy route of insulting my appearance, which is quite old and rather disappointing.
Easy. What they’re doing is an easy way to deal with you. Some of it is laziness. But mostly we get rabid feminist trolls who have no interest in communicating.
You know them when they start saying things like “Or is your miserable attitude a byproduct through years of only being able to bed stupid, insecure, cheap skanks and prostitutes?”
In which case, the Game has been publicized for years, do you feel that as women become aware and adapt to game playing, there is a need to evolve from the rather primitive principles of the Game?
It works until it doesn’t, then you try something else. No feelings needed to figure this out.
You don’t seem to grasp why Game exists in the first place. It’s because women are turning down perfectly good men for BS reasons.
Why is this such a difficult concept? All your later questions loop back around to this.
So, now I want to ask you a question. Now that you’re aware of Game, have you seen any of the female hypergamy in yourself?
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This thread is already gold.
Cross-species white knighting!
BETA is genetic.
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Gents, you’ll have to excuse Jenny… she’s more used to the type of reception men give her at Star Trek conventions.
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vatican assassin
As soon as you manage to internalize the idea that men are merely disposable pack animals to women your life will no longer be consumed with the need for retribution.
Feeling like you need to one-up her is unhealthy dude. Move on.
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a hongkong model friend of mine often complained about lack of marriable men in the UK. Anglos couldnt bring her home to mum n’ dad, and HER parents didnt like all the Indians. So she wound up getting educated instead. Asians have it better HERE
and YOU like to store fermenting shark meat under your log cabin while batin’ to eskimo pron. civilization is all relative.
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Probably, No one has ever seen a cat having sex. It is common to see dogs. Cats are secretive fuckers.
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Jenny seems to have irked people. The easiest response to what I guess her point is is that there’s a perception of PUA’s as tricksters, that they figured out a magic phrase to trick drunk girls (slutty ones, not good girls who got drunk, eh?) to make out with them.
So, once these tricks are digested by the female populace, an immunity develops to the tricks.
I think the response can be summarized as “duh, men understand that being thin, having boobs, and wearing makeup are female “tricks” to trick guys into liking them. Yet men haven’t grown immune to boobs.” Game:Boobs::Women:Men
I would guess that the most common response of normal people to PUA stuff is that its practitioners are slimy hucksters, that they’s reduced man woman relations into a card trick. That’s why there’s an inherent defensiveness to it. From what I’ve read here, it’s a lifestyle choice to not act in a way that normally repels girls.
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Au contraire.
Bonus: see barbed cat penis.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80600202/
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Jenny said:
“Hardly the sharpest tool in the box, are you?”
A cliche`is a tool for rent as is a box is so loose that it can sharpen no longer.
Ya see how to be a little more clever yet?
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I love it, people are still talking about me!
[Editor: You have got to be the biggest attention whore on the whole of the internet.
Here’s a clue: In this dominion of dirty deeders, you do not get the last word. You will suffer in silence.
Perhaps at some future date, when the mood strikes and your attitude has improved, the editors will see fit to reinstate your privilege to blather tiresome platitudes.]
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“Jenny seems to have irked people.”
She just decided to start dishing it out by the second post and then, quite astonishingly, was surprise at the lack of charm in response. She did not even make much of a point. That’s the problem.
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I mean, it’s the same troll stuff. I mean, come on, this is a post about important stuff like cats, stay on target.
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@John Norman Howard
lol @ Star Trek conventions
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I love it, people are still talking about me!
yes grasshopper, it is because of our asshole game that you keep coming back.
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Dogs have owners, cats have staff.
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as frequenters of roissy the current en vogue resident troll is a tiresome recurrence, but it’s not completely unreasonable to have a visceral reaction to this blog (and others like it) that is some amalgam of disgust, confusion, and knee-jerk negative reactivity. that is what happens when you overturn a cornerstone of liberal thought that is so naturalized within our (especially women’s) psyches.
to avoid it altogether, i propose the addition of a page that summarizes in logical sequence core, thematic ideas of roissy’s. it might be a bit of a project, but i’m sure some enthusiastic fan would commit to it.
this blog initially attracted me on a gawking impulse, and all it took was a matter of reading & seriously considering the material before i became a full-fledged convert. (fun aside: i met my current common law partner THROUGH roissy.)
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Everyone rags on Jenny because she’s a young Asian-Brit who’s pretty and mouths opinions. Her opinions are largely based on concepts of politeness and the absolute assuredness that she is correct – an artifact of being
– female
– 22 years old
– pretty (hence all of the deference she gets – life is easy, right?)
– and smart (again, things come easy).
All very good. Alas, none of these things mean anything when it comes to being right about men and women. Not a sot.
In fact, it guarantees you’re less capable of being objective.
No stress; no hard lessons; the evil workings of age haven’t worn you down; there’s no evidence of anything wrong with the way men and women talk past each other.
Also, you’re female. Your understanding of what men are faced with – even in the UK – is basically zero. Less than zero. You do what all women do, sit in judgment of the men who approach you; you wait and evaluate.
The men much dance and squawk and twirl for you. Makes it a different game, girl.
One day, if you’re able to overcome your self-absorption (this is actually possible, though unlikely), you might understand.
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@Sofia,
Similar: Female resistance is usually fierce; then if there’s some reflection, it starts to break down; then acceptance.
Usually, anyway.
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@Sofia,
My paramour keeps insisting none of this is true. And when I point it out, she blathers, and then admits, I hate being wrong, you’re right, shut up asshole. And then all is good again.
It’s amazing, the power of the Gerbil Wheel of Majesty.
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I think Jenny and Good Luck Chuck should get together. She’s a whiny slanty-eyed attention whore and he’s a wanna-be-aloof, men-should-supplicate-and-lick-women’s-toes Obama voter.
A win-win combination!
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I can’t believe how f**king tiresome all these men are!! This blog and its readers are absolute proof that women are better off with cats….or tiny yapping lap-rats….or vibrators
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Hello Jenny from Imperial! Your fellow medic here.
Yes, keep your mind open. CR’s like Amateur Transplants on crack, except… actually serious. I think it would do you in good stead to keep an open mind. Whilst personalities here can be unpleasant,
[Editor: Unpleasant? Moi? *wink wink wink* Me lip trembles, it does.]
learning about the genuine issues behind the stories is better for empathy and social understanding of the struggles facing modern man than a thousand weeks of psych. Like it or not, his writing here has genuinely helped and provided social support for many people, people ignored by “the establishment” which unfortunately includes the healthcare establishment.
[I dunno how many are “ignored” by the establishment. There are quite a few readers here, if we take their words, who are successful in life. This blog readership is probably around 10% omega, 60% beta and 30% alpha. That’s just the men. The women are… an eccentric bunch.]
I definitely recommend you come back, but under a different name and very much anonymised.
The GMC and the medical establishment is pretty much the most anti-thoughtcrime organisation in the UK.
Take this example: e.g.
http://www.ganfyd.org/index.php?title=Scot_Junior
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d752.extract
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d752.full/reply#bmj_el_249841
So I’d advise you that if you do express any sort of opinion especially any that involves inflammatory language, you do it anonymously.
[Actually, all she needed to do was come onto this board expressing her disagreements without slanderous attacks against your hosts and the readers. She did not do this. She fucked up from comment one. Like most glass cannon prey, she wandered in, oblivious to the brutal truths espoused here and cocooned in her cultivated princess bubble where nary a beta orbiter has ever called her out on her bullshit, and expected that her insults would fly. Then she had the temerity to recoil in horror when someone with real balls gave her back twice the shit she dished out.
No new reader here gets shit on for no reason. The ones who have gotten shit on in the past did exactly as she did by coming here and immediately bitching, thinking their pussies would grant them plenary indulgences.
Well, homey don’t play that game. And now she has learned a very special lesson. We’ll see if she adjusts accordingly.]
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@Vatican Assassin
You say you have a girl, but your head still seems to under the ownership of the previous chick. Why doesn’t your current girl get much head space?
Might be a weird question, but you from NOLA, perchance?
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approve my previous comment please
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ok fade, you’ve been approved. . . for a bunk in the beta branch of the cheatau.
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Hahaha, Ed, I believe what I said was ‘the only women you will get this way are insecure, cheap skanks’. The explicit bitching was started by you?
[Editor: Newsflash: that’s an insult, particularly in the context of this website. It’s an insult not only to those who write here, but an insult to the good women who love the writers, as well as the readers.
Btw, you are wrong. Smart, high self esteem women love men who know and use game. By way of analogy, think of game as the equivalent of makeup and sexy clothes for women. Does makeup and a form flattering dress attract only insecure, lowlife assholes? Of course not.
So far you’re not doing any better than when you first commented. Like the others before you, your character is less than impressive.]
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Bhetti I definitely recommend you come back, but under a different name and very much anonymised
Why should she change her name?
Okay maybe she should if she’s not ready to deal with the evil trolls. Like what happened to anouk.
*chic noir sucks teeth and pulls at a peace of lint on her 1969 salvation army patched elbow hipster jacket*
C’est la vie
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sophia
was your beau a regular commenter?
i was wondering what happened to you.
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I dunno how many are “ignored” by the establishment
I mean the specific issues a guy comes here to deal with. His sexuality, sexual rejection, divorce, expectations on himself as a man, anti-male discrimination enshrined in law and media, anti-male women… dealing with all of it in a male way, with men.
There’s one case that stuck with me.
The man was an alcoholic, and the trigger for his alcoholism was his wife, cheating on him. He went from faithful husband to a binge of promiscuity and partying(with a bunch of other male friends also facing divorce) to alcoholism. Divorces are usually initiated by women, at rates that’re higher than ever.
When I met him, he was detoxing, though in the early stages with the help of drugs. He was resolved to get through it. I’ll never forget the hope in his jaundiced eyes, as he revealed the reason why.
She’d left the guy she cheated on him with, and I knew, I knew, even though he didn’t explicitly say it, that he wondered if there could be a reconciliation by him ‘being there for her’ and that more than anything was driving him.
He was very entertaining, gregarious and warm. Could LTR game have helped save him? Would he exist in a slightly different society?
His story is far, far from unique.
What does the medical establishment, or even the establishment, begin to even do that solves this problem, faces it or acknowledges it? Drugs? ‘Talk therapy’?
The only man who even begins to talk about men and the social travesties of what’s happening to them in the UK is MP Dom Raab.
Once you’ve taken the red pill, you see clearly what’s happening and how we’re too mired in reactionary ideology and judgement to see it.
I very sincerely hope so.
In this case, sweetheart, you’ve got the wrong diagnosis and definitely the wrong bedside manner.
A shining star from the best of the best should be perfectly capable of reassessment.
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So you think you’re special? Eh, you’re not so special.
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OK, Ed., Dr Bhetti has had a word and I see that I should have made my initial reactions more palatable to this audience.
Please publish this as my formal retraction of my initial comments. I apologise for expressing contempt towards you the Game alpha complex and to imply that the only women who will be seduced by these methods are below average intelligence with little moral integrity. I shall no longer make this assumption.
Now that I promise to abide by your code of conduct, I shall very much like to voice my difference of opinion on your methods in a more ingratiating manner. In exchange, I would appreciate if you stopped using explicit language and stop publishing selective comments of mine out of context.
Thank you.
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^^^
wow
*jen stands before the editor with head slighly bowed ready to become the supplicating female that a true alpha expects no demands of any female who dares to stand before him. *
Rose adjusts zipper as the site of jen begging for mercy makes the editor harder than fort knox.
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What do goths and pet ferret owners have in common? They can’t get attention without silly accoutrements.
Funny, I went out with a goth chick years ago when I lived in Montreal, and she had a ferret. Do we know the same woman, Roissy?
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chic noir,
he commented here occasionally. he had a blog as part of the peripheral game sphere. i stopped blogging when i moved to new zealand (where he lived) ’cause i guess i felt too happy and therefore uninspired to blog. we recently made the move back to toronto together, in time to celebrate our one year anniversary.
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Hahaha, chic, flies are staying zipped. Ed. wouldn’t publish my comments earlier so in order to be heard, compromise was needed.
Ghandi said ‘an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind’. It was time to call a truce.
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Nice to see you, Sofia, and best wishes for you. Toronto’s great, but I wouldn’t trade it for Vancouver.
Nice to see you, too, Chic. That asian guy break dancing on your website is a riot.
Sorry about the other night, Jen. Guess I was a little hard on the beaver. Your mystical asian ways transfixed me…and then I remembered pussy is a fungible resource! Haha, no seriously. I won’t be mean to you, but remember: most of the discussion here revolves around that which is normally kept closed, kind of like the orgy scene in Eyes Wide Shut. I haven’t seen an orchid of such dewy majesty around here in awhile. Enter, and experience the Chateau.
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bhetti, impressive comment.
What does the medical establishment, or even the establishment, begin to even do that solves this problem, faces it or acknowledges it? Drugs? ‘Talk therapy’?
it seems you just described a new killer app with which you could flood the medical market.
as a female, especially once you’ve got a couple of letters behind your name, you will be in the perfect position to market it with the aura of legitimacy that most people in the “game community” lack (like it or not, many people won’t listen to anyone who doesn’t have those letters behind his/her name).
seriously, you should go somewhere with this.
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“Ghandi said ‘an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind’.”
he obviously never heard of pirate eye-patches.
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Schmoe:
From the article:
Here’s how it should read:
“The provocative move risks a backlash by anti-white groups but college officials in Texas have said there is little they can do to prevent it.”
Whenever you read the words anti-racism, always change it to anti-white. Anti-racism is code for anti-white.
[Editor: True. It’s a good thing the underlying truth about these leftie propaganda tactics are being exposed on outlets like this here humble internet vanguard. The more people learn what modern Orwellian newspeak the elites of our country are engaging in, the more they will be prepared and willing to string them up from lampposts when the reckoning arrives.]
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Ah Tim, you’re the one responsible for finding and showing the world what I look like and consequently invoked all the minger, xenophobic (and most amusingly, query plastic surgery) comments about me. Cheers for that.
To make it up to me, I should be able to see what you look like? You can send it to me privately, I won’t google and unveil you here. You can PM to me on FB, I’m sure you know how to find me, as you did before!
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@jen
In exchange, I would appreciate if you stopped using explicit language and stop publishing selective comments of mine out of context.
1 – it’s roissy’s blog, he can do whatever he wants.
2 – but he only tends to do that when the commenter deserves it. so, if you don’t comment like a twat, you’ll be fine.
suggest you go back through the archives and read through a bunch of previous topics to put everything into some context.
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Nice kitty… glad he’s not hungry!
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Sophia,
Oh I know who he is. congrats on that 🙂 He’s a real gamesman but I think you are woman enough to handle what he dishes out. I can’t believe that Rose is paritally responsible for a happy relationship. l
So how did you like New Zealand? I’ve been thinking about relocating myself.
[Editor: Who’s Rose?]
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Jen,
Rule #x of the blogoverse, extra emphasis here in Roissyland:
Your right not to be insulted or offended is hereby revoked.
Grow a thick skin and be prepared to disregard the expletives. Approach everything with a sense of mild disdain and humor.
You’ll be rewarded for not being offended. But it’s hard work.
Just a warning.
Goes for Sofia coming back, for that matter, but you’re an old ham at this.
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This comes across as so ridiculous, yet it rings so, so true. The craziest woman I ever dated loved cats. Meowzers she was nuts…so was her damn cat.
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Well Jenny, I’m flattered but I’m almost twice your age. You could be my daughter. So young, and so much to learn. I’ll take a wild guess and say that you’re not interested in asian men. You’re at the age when this kind of topic matters. You’re parents are strict, fiercely strict, and you are chafing beneath their authority. Therefore your eyes wander to white men, whose general aloof alphatude you find irresistible. You’re stuck in a cultural divide, and you need a firm and steady hand to guide you. Stick around, then.
By the way, that is honorable -you’re chosen career as a doctor. But that’s really immaterial here. How do you like London and have you ever been ‘across the pond’?
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Good Lord. That’s one lucky guy on your profile pic, Jenny. I won’t provide that link, I am merciful. But yep, no doubt about it: you’re smokin. What’re you, 5’4″ 110lbs? Is the guy a doctor? And what’s up, you have an Indian subcontinent fetish. I would think you would be partial to white meat. You’re hot in the same way that the Queen from The Curse of the Golden Flower is hot.
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roissy = rose
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Sorry, can’t resist. You look good.
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Oh Tim, random fact. Gong Li and I come from the same hometown – Shenyang, northeast China.
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Tim, isn’t it obvious my Sri Lankan friend is gay?! His name is Emmanuel Ray, a local celebrity in London. He’s in fashion and got us runway seats to London Fashion Week.
The guy in my life is actually a young British Chinese, 6’2″ doctor/trainee surgeon. I’m pretty elated. I’ve dated English and Chinese guys, though latter is harder to find because I’m 5’8″. I can be taller in heels. I like to break stereotypes but I also break my ankles. Hence the current boy is pretty perfect, taking things very slowly because we have mutual friends and I want this one to be slow but sure.
Randomly, Gong Li and I come from the same hometown!
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sofia–
Great hearing from you again.
And congrats!!!
Glad to hear your affaire de coeur is going so well.
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Haha, this place never changes! It claims to be all about mastering aloof alphaness and making women earn your attention…and then the MINUTE a halfway-attractive female flounces in babbling about nothing, every dude on here (including the editor!) is derailing the entire thread, falling all over themselves to respond to her. It doesn’t matter whether you’re complimenting or insulting her, you’re giving her cubic shit tons of attention she hasn’t earned with her inane commentary…I wonder why?
Proof is in the pudding, guys. Very few alphas ’round these parts.
[Editor: I didn’t know what she looked like when she first got shit from me for being the usual obnoxious troll/hater.
Actually, had I known she was a cute chick, I would’ve gone easier on her. Heh.]
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OK, Ed., Dr Bhetti has had a word and I see that I should have made my initial reactions more palatable to this audience.
Please publish this as my formal retraction of my initial comments. I apologise for expressing contempt towards you the Game alpha complex and to imply that the only women who will be seduced by these methods are below average intelligence with little moral integrity. I shall no longer make this assumption.
“Now that I promise to abide by your code of conduct, I shall very much like to voice my difference of opinion on your methods in a more ingratiating manner. In exchange, I would appreciate if you stopped using explicit language and stop publishing selective comments of mine out of context.” – jenny thinks she’s in court. So you edit a dim sum website – way to go with smashing those stereotypes then.
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“Ghandi said ‘an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind’. It was time to call a truce” nice backhanded attempt for the moral high ground there.
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“Good Lord. That’s one lucky guy on your profile pic, Jenny. I won’t provide that link, I am merciful. But yep, no doubt about it: you’re smokin. What’re you, 5’4″ 110lbs? Is the guy a doctor? And what’s up, you have an Indian subcontinent fetish. I would think you would be partial to white meat. You’re hot in the same way that the Queen from The Curse of the Golden Flower is hot.”. How not to game a chick – especially a younger chick. That was an ironic post, right?
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@Spiralina
Can’t stand the droolers myself, but as for the troll hunting….standard fare.
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Interesting point by spiralina.
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@The Truth
Not really.
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How would you rate Jenny Hao???
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X3M17tcJDsY_JthkBVxG-A?full-exif=true
5???
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@Tim,
As a note, pretty girls get no special treatment. In fact, there’s a good call to be more demanding. They’re riddled with even more delusions, which society reflexively reinforces.
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How would you rate Jenny Hao???
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X3M17tcJDsY_JthkBVxG-A?full-exif=true
in that pic, 5. she was a 6 in the previous youtube clip where she didn’t show her body.
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i expected your charms
to have gotten you
fully married by now
oh well
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@Me,
I’m 41, so somewhere in the mid-20’s a woman is really no longer game-able. I like the 15-year rule, so a woman of 26 is fair game, but younger than that and it’s a little predatory. Plus she’s not at her sexual peak yet, which will arrive in about in another ten years, so practicing game on her won’t work. She may speak the north american lingo, but she’s as traditional as they come, I suspect.
@Gorb,
Ya, I knew after awhile it would look like fawning, that thought did cross my mind. But I don’t think she can be manipulated. I’m more interested in what she thinks of the return of concubinage to Chinese sexual mores. Women had equality under mainland China’s Communism, but that is fading away as capitalism transforms their nation. Now it’s common for 50 yr old men to hook up with 22 yr old women, have mistresses, second wives, etc etc. So concubinage is making a comeback. I wonder how Jenny will deal with this. London may not be China, but still, the apple never falls far from the tree.
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THIS is where Gorby’s admitted mastery over Asian Woman should come in to play: a full diversion of his prodigious attentions (and writing) to seduce this saucy heroine European/Korean style to take full vengeance for The 38th parallel.
That dance should take a mere moment to consummate, but enjoying the fruits of his labors will, of course, take months.
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@Firepower
THIS is where Gorby’s admitted mastery over Asian Woman should come in to play: a full diversion of his prodigious attentions (and writing) to seduce this saucy heroine European/Korean style to take full vengeance for The 38th parallel.
That dance should take a mere moment to consummate, but enjoying the fruits of his labors will, of course, take months.
Firepower, I’m devastated. Only those you love have the power to hurt you. Why would you want to do that to me?
You know it’s you I love. Stop sending me to random internet chicks. Accept me into your bosom.
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I gotta admit, even though I was over Chinese women years ago, she is doable and I like banging Doctor chicks.
The problem for me, is, once I fuck a Chinese girl, 20 minutes later I get hungry for one again.
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@Firepower
@Firepower
I gotta admit, even though I was over Chinese women years ago, she is doable and I like banging Doctor chicks.
The problem for me, is, once I fuck a Chinese girl, 20 minutes later I get hungry for one again.
Best time to call for seconds or hit another restaurant.
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Remember, people:
Being hot at 23 is pretty damned easy.
And for guys saying she’s a 6, hereabouts, she’d be a solid 7. For some guys, an 8.
By 27 that will have changed. By 35 again.
But she’s neither unusual for being a medical student nor unusual as an attractive Chinese woman.
Go out and meet real chicks, people.
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@Tim
@Gorb,
Ya, I knew after awhile it would look like fawning,
The least you could do is fawn over a live woman, not some pixels on a screen. I’ve been on maybe 6 internet-originating dates in my life (in Korea, when I first arrived, and China, because it was a thing there). I abandoned it almost immediately. Outside America, there are *so many* cute girls like Jenny that it wears thin awfully fast. Fawning over some girl who posts is evidence that you need to walk outside. I recall Vancouver had some pretty hot babes (of the Caucasian variety, too, a rarity these days over here outside the big colleges). A buddy of mine commented when we drove through:
“Hey, no fat chicks.”
Go look at them or something. RV, Jenny, all these others – they’re pixels. Here, the only thing that gives them substance is their words. Frankly, Nicole (for better or worse) has a presence, even if she’s fat and lives in Israel. And she’s annoying but somewhat less delusional than most. Even @what is cute in her insignificant way. The only chick commenter I miss is Anouk – she had something (she was definitely a bit different; maybe off, but different), and it had nothing to do with hot or not.
This Jenny has de-rigeur opinions and, while new, has made every possible error. First, jumping in with the sharks while wearing a meat lifejacket; second, not realizing there are sharks; then complaining that there are sharks, and that sharks exist, and that anyone might have a different opinion.
that thought did cross my mind. But I don’t think she can be manipulated. I’m more interested in what she thinks of the return of concubinage to Chinese sexual mores. Women had equality under mainland China’s Communism, but that is fading away as capitalism transforms their nation. Now it’s common for 50 yr old men to hook up with 22 yr old women, have mistresses, second wives, etc etc. So concubinage is making a comeback. I wonder how Jenny will deal with this. London may not be China, but still, the apple never falls far from the tree.
Yeah, her opinion as a Brit would be interesting.
Come on. Maybe ask an actual Chinese woman – not a pretend one. She’s British through and through now.
Actual Chinese women who live in China write about this all the time.
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And for guys saying she’s a 6, hereabouts, she’d be a solid 7. For some guys, an 8.
Where the fuck is hereabouts? In San Fran or San Jose she is a 5. She lives in London, not rural china. Your measuring stick is broken.
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@spiralina
“Haha, this place never changes! It claims to be all about mastering aloof alphaness and making women earn your attention…”
Have you throughly gone over the logic of this?
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Being hot at 23 is pretty damned easy
Personal anedocte
A cousin of mine – with pro game – got in love with a chick while he was 23 or 24 and she was 20/21. That chick was the hottest chick I have ever talked to. So they married.
But the chick was a biological time-bomb. Both her parents were diabetic, and she avoided diabetes as long as some residual trace of teenage hormones remained in her body.
After a couple years, they separated due to constant fights. The separation stress plus the wiping out of teen-years hormones plus diabetes led the girl to double in weight in 2 years.
I don’t remember the scale, but It was something like if your blood exam is 80 you are normal, above 120 start to worry, above 150 you are diabtetic and the chick had 300. Their first – and only – son was born diabetic. With extremely high risk of glaucoma (it is the portuguese word, it is a serious eye problem) and some other problems
Call me Nazi if you wish, but despite her awesome beauty, that chick wasn’t supposed to give birth. I wouldn’t marry without a blood exam of the girl
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True, just look at Lisa Ling as an example. The wall hits Asian women very hard.
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Gorb,
“Even @what is cute in her insignificant way. ”
INSIGNIFICANT?
To understand my contributions here is to read between the lines of my comments. I may not say everything so explicitly, and directly ( directness is overrated ) but I do make my point in a, I guess…. weird way!!haha. I rarely like to argue for the sake of arguing, plus I simply don’t have the time and I hate typing. Get me talking and I can talk over any of you..there! My need for privacy is what stops me from expressing my point of view overtly. That’s ME! haha!! I generally respect what everyone has to say and have no urgent need to be right. I’m me and you are you. All is good!
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dark lord of the crimson arts,
women are like kitties, exhibit A: they both like to be spanked.
yours truly
vic
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“It doesn’t matter whether you’re complimenting or insulting her, you’re giving her cubic shit tons of attention she hasn’t earned with her inane commentary…I wonder why?”
It’s only words and words are all I have…
still loling at her pawing to continue the spankings
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http://fbknol.com/gender-discrimination-on-facebook-funny/
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the picture explains all:
does anyone think that the male drive might be due to the acceptance-gap that men have to face from society?
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@ Timmy,
“…I’m 41, so somewhere in the mid-20′s a woman is really no longer game-able. I like the 15-year rule, so a woman of 26 is fair game, but younger than that and it’s a little predatory…”
What a f’ing wuss.
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JENNY HAS A VAGINAL HARDON FOR MR.EDITOR. ZING!
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Really?? did you think about the practical issues of having a cat? they are naturally clean, they will use the litter box the minute you put it infront of them, they’re not noisy, they don’t have to go on walks, they play by themselves, they don’t need you to run and throw a ball they will always find something to play with and they don’t need that much affection, they’re pretty independent. I have a cat and a dog but I have to say, people who love only dogs and rave about it lack selfesteem, they need constant praising, they love their dogs “loyalty” and they need someone or something that makes them feel important. As for the “cat lady” stereotype, I know women who hoard dogs, so it’s not about the type of animal, it’s about loneliness. Oh, and what about the women who have female cats? do they “anthropomorphize the cat into the alpha male lover they wish was courting them” also? This is ridiculous, sorry
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It’s official guys, we lost. All hail the reign of the mangina!
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Dood, you’re a tool. Just because women don’t do what you want them to do when YOU want them to do it, doesn’t mean they don’t care. Men are the same way, YOU are the same way. You sound like some neo-conservative who’s yearning for fundamentalist Christian values.
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@Wize:
What a fag. Why didn’t he bother to even list one thing men are better at? I know why, because he’s a chicken.
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I disagree with this blog post. I think deep inside men are cats and women are puppy dogs.
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@[I dunno how many are “ignored” by the establishment. There are quite a few readers here, if we take their words, who are successful in life. This blog readership is probably around 10% omega, 60% beta and 30% alpha. That’s just the men. The women are… an eccentric bunch.]
Nominated for understatement of the year:
“The women are… an eccentric bunch.”
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@Editor
[Actually, all she needed to do was come onto this board expressing her disagreements without slanderous attacks against your hosts and the readers. She did not do this. She fucked up from comment one. Like most glass cannon prey, she wandered in, oblivious to the brutal truths espoused here and cocooned in her cultivated princess bubble where nary a beta orbiter has ever called her out on her bullshit, and expected that her insults would fly. Then she had the temerity to recoil in horror when someone with real balls gave her back twice the shit she dished out.
No new reader here gets shit on for no reason. The ones who have gotten shit on in the past did exactly as she did by coming here and immediately bitching, thinking their pussies would grant them plenary indulgences.
Well, homey don’t play that game. And now she has learned a very special lesson. We’ll see if she adjusts accordingly.]
She lives in a warm, protective coccoon of liberal mythology and politically correct politeness. She hasn’t been a 42-year-old divorced woman trying to make it on the dating market; she hasn’t been called a fat troll by guys at work; she hasn’t had to do anything.
Bear in mind that shooting the woman down and giving her a dose of reality – and smashing some of her inward-facing mirrored glass – is a great service for her.
Never thought I’d say it, but when it comes to hot blog chicks, I miss our resident Romanian Racist and Ethnic Supremacist. She had a clarity of thought that was, if bracing, at least refreshing.
Where are you, where are you, where are you Rebellious Vanilla. Lose the ami du jour or whatever’s taking up your time and entertain us.
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Gorb–
Yeah, she did cut through PC shibboleths with striking economy of thought and expression.
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I see many parallels between this blog and the CCP.
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I believe men and women have very different gender roles. However, both roles are equally important. What game promotes is a self-aggrandising sense of superiority in men, which is fundamentally detrimental to a man’s long term prospects of happiness. The sooner both genders treat each other with equal respect for their differences, the better.
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I can spot fake alphas from a mile away, they are bullshitting try-hards. A real alpha has charisma without arrogance, self-assurance without the urge to enter pissing contests or put down others.
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Also, could some of you get a hobby and stop googling me please, it’s making my skin crawl. Akin to being on the London Underground sitting across a pervert who is touching himself in front of you. Is there not enough porn or vulnerable women out there for you?
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Laura
You forgot the other good thing about cats. Let me tell you what it is: No matter what you do to them, you don’t feel bad.
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@Tim, isn’t it obvious my Sri Lankan friend is gay?! He’s in fashion and got us runway seats to London Fashion Week.
The guy in my life is actually a young British Chinese, 6’2″ doctor. I’ve dated English and Chinese guys, though latter is harder to meet because I’m 5’8″ and taller in heels. Hence the current guy is pretty perfect, I’m taking things very slowly because we have mutual friends and I want this one to be slow but sure.
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@Tim – a higher education has done me some good. Not only can I devise my own criteria for what I want in a man and distinguish the worthy alphas from the try-hards, but I also expose myself to a young professionals’ network with a higher concentration of real alpha males.
Randomly, Gong Li and I come from the same hometown!
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Sorry to everyone who found my multiple posts confusing, it was the only way I could post and bypass the censorship.
That’s why I said it’s akin to CCP.
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What game promotes is a self-aggrandising sense of superiority in men, which is fundamentally detrimental to a man’s long term prospects of happiness.
explain.
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Detrimental because you have a string of meaningless sexual relationships so you lack the continuity and companionship you need to develop yourself as a person. You see yourself of higher moral value than your partner, so you will always express contempt for her and think she’s stupid. Resentment and contempt between a couple is the biggest indicative factor that it will be unhappy and fail. So, the sooner you respect each other’s differences and see that both sexes are of equal value and importance, the happier you will be.
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Vicmackey
You are one filthy pervert sir lol.
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“I disagree with this blog post. I think deep inside men are cats and women are puppy dogs.”
how deep are we going here?
“so you lack the continuity and companionship you need to develop yourself as a person”
orly?
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Detrimental because you have a string of meaningless sexual relationships so you lack the continuity and companionship you need to develop yourself as a person.
it sounds like you’re assuming that the (only) use of game is to enable men to have strings of meaningless sexual relationships. if this is what you mean, then you misunderstand what ‘game’ is. game isn’t just a bag of tricks used to bang women (though it certainly can be used this way), it’s about how to interact with women to get what you want, on any level. game is necessary to maintain any relationship with a women, whether it’s short term or a marriage.
you really need to go through the archives and read a bit to understand what this site is all about.
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co-sign, itsme. Jen, this ain’t your parents or g’parents generation. You’ll be in a coed environment the rest of your life, with blurred gender roles. ‘Game’ is simply a response to this new hedonistic environment we find ourselves in. It’s a frame of mind, that’s all.
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chic noirbuttox,
My Buttox are primed and full of gas!!!!
Hurry up and get here soon, so you can be ready for the release…
Then, you will be permitted to :
First botox,
then Rrrrrectox,
then Detox,
my Buttox.
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Jen,
It will be your privilege and honor to :
Detox my Buttox
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@Rum I don’t know about you or about other people. I feel terrible when I feel I’m not taking proper care of my cat, like when I miss a vet appointment. Now, if you are talking about some kind of abuse go to theraphy NOW!
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Laura
I do not think you understand. Let me be more clear… Abusing cats IS therapy for me. I mean, after a long session of cat-abuse, I can literally feel the stress and tension draining out of me. It is like a deep-cleansing orgasm, only more pure and self-affirming. I know that their battered littled bodies willl require some kind of quick and ruthless desposal in the morning – but that is OK. They are with the angels now…
I am not like the others and you can always trust me.
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By the way. Suze Rotolo recently died. Take your hat off, friend, and show some respect. You don’t know what you’ve got til its gone.
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Rum, I never thought I’d find someone similar to me! I often feel relaxed after castrating dogs. I’m not sure why or how. I think I might want to go to vet school.
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Brit strommy bdai
If you go to the vet school they will slice off yur mincy littl faggot balls with a rampant skih carving knife. And feed the pathetic results of this proceedure to gbfms pet ferret.
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I used to boil crawdaddies in hot water. It was fun watching their little shells heat up and turn bright red. They always tried valiantly to escape, reaching up their desperate little claws to the pot’s edge.
Once I smothered my pet dog with a pillow. I also used to get a kick out of feeling him squirm beneath me and struggle for air. Poor guy. He was a poodle. One day he was run over by a truck, broke every bone in his back.
Oh and I can’t forget my goldfish. Little tetras they were called. Sometimes they’d get eaten by the bigger fish, the scum-suckers. They were no match; they were simply overpowered. Sometimes I’d take them out of the tank and just watch them flip around gasping for breath, until I felt they were sufficiently tortured, then I’d put em back in the tank.
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@Mingus
“Vito Corleone”
Bingo!
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@Tim @itsme
It’s not so much acknowledging there is a difference in gender roles, more that both sexes are of equal value and importance regardless of differences and therefore both deserving of mutual respect.
In my opinion, if a man or woman considers themselves to be above their partner, they are more likely to express contempt towards the other’s unfavourable traits. Contempt is the most indicative factor that a relationship will fail. When a couple argue and express rensentment on different moral planes, it it is more destructive for the relationship.
The game seems to promote the man’s moral and intellectual position above that of a woman’s, therefore, misguiding him as to what actually makes a relationship work. Agree or disagree?
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i dunno, i cant envision you marrying a dustbin carter even though its tough in england for asian girls. its so unfair, but An anglo doctor chick has many choices.
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@Jen
I can spot fake alphas from a mile away, they are bullshitting try-hards. A real alpha has charisma without arrogance, self-assurance without the urge to enter pissing contests or put down others.
Jen,
I’ve known scores of women almost exactly like you, in every way. Pretty (when young). Young. Classy. Well-educated. Professional. I specialize in admiring and wooing this kind of woman. I’ve spent the last 8 years doing it.
This is what I have to say to you, in a nutshell:
– You’re nothing special.
– You’re absolutely gameable.
– You suffer from remorselessly typical delusions that you shouldn’t be faulted for, because they’re a working condition of your existence.
– A man with game and social skills with go under your radar and be able to entice you without much work at all.
The story is *always* the same. I’ve traveled that road so often it’s almost not worth recounting. I’ve done it in five languages, some I knew well, some I was just learning, on three continents.
I give you this: Your arrogance (as a female) is due to youth. The confidence you have is also due to youth and the static good fortune you’ve had. You’ve not been 45 and a single mom and trying to date. You’ve not been 23 and ugly and trying to date. You’ve not been tooled and ditched by a dozen weirdly charming guys in a short timespan. You’ve not been dumped at the altar. I guarantee you’ve never had a truly honest conversation with a mate – few men will be able to do this with you.
I don’t blame you, any more than I blame my GF for her faults. She’s wonderful. But I have no illusions about her not being 1) female, 2) self-interested, 3) unconscious of many of her desires, 4) loving me but also being in fundamental competition with all other people, including me, on some level.
FAKE ALPHAS
You think you’re better at spotting the “fake” alpha. You think you’re in charge of what attracts you to men. You think you know yourself.
Every time you convince yourself of this, you nudge the truth further away. You know much less than you think. The smarter women are always the first to fall and the easiest to fool, in almost every way. Why?
Like all smart people, you’re too convinced of your own Ego’s power; you have no fundamental connection to the at least equally powerful Id that dominates your instinctive responses.
They operate in you no less than in any other woman. The skanky ho who opens her legs for any tough guy is the same. The difference is your ability to rationalize what you do and the “quality” of man you make excuses for. The behavior is exactly the same, with variations in theme.
Strippers, prostitutes, married good girls – the essence of female psychology is the same. The transactions are also largely the same; only the *terms* are different.
The fundamental facts of human nature and the human condition require that these things be variations on a theme.
SEX AND INSTINCT
There is nothing more instinctively programmed that your sexual responses. Only the quest for food and the fight/flight reflex is more hardwired.
FOOD AND WATER
Want to test it? Stop eating for 36 hours. Make it 48. After 48, the only think you’ll be able to think about is food. If you deny yourself water or fluids, within 12 hours, you’ll start to obsess about it. Your brain will become sharper as you get hungry; after a couple of days, you’ll find yourself thinking more clearly and yet, all you’ll be thinking about is food. Your brain is becoming more efficient – get that damned food, it’s saying, here, let’s tool up so you can get some. You’re going to get more aggressive (ie, take food if you can) and alliances you have will begin to break: if you get some food, and X needs it more, do you share it? At some point, the whole edifice of civilized illusions and conveniences starts to crack. Instinct takes over, and only the most disciplined and trained egos can maintain their influence.
We’re 3 meals away from chaos. This has been true for our entire history.
SEX
A guy with social skills and good game will flummox you so totally that you won’t even see it coming. Game bypasses the brain. It goes straight to the female hindbrain. *Nothing* is more important to your body or its genetic program than proper breeding – it almost matches survival as an instinct.
Sex and breeding IS survival: Your body is basically a survival machine for your genes. Your genes are just an information process, one which continues because it continues. Your genes descendants of genes that continued. They’re very good at it. They have created a body that will find a suitable mate and have sex (not necessarily breed; that was assumed by the genes, really). In the competition for resources, mates are JUST ANOTHER RESOURCE. You are programmed to seek out the best possible resources. If your genes are to ally themselves with others, they must be the best possible allies you can manage.
All of the convolutions/schemes/cheating/good-girl/bad-girl plots and plans women come up with are based on permutations of the game that emerges from this. They may seem different, the outcomes often are, but the motivations and processes are the same. Only the situations vary.
The process is predictable.
CONSCIOUS DELUSIONS
Your conscious brain, as neat an evolutionary trick as it is, is absolutely led by the hindbrain in certain matters.
You don’t “CHOOSE” what attracts you. You have vastly complex evaluative machinery designed to match your perceived Sexual Market Value to the potential mates (and competition) around you. This occupies much of your brain’s functions and goes on largely in the background. For both men and women, it’s always turned on.
Look at how much of our culture is devoted to mating, dating, fantasies, etc.; almost all of art, literature, poetry, music, even mundane activities, revolve around this. The building of city walls in Thrace 3000 years ago; the composition of epic stories; virtually every novel ever written; all of it comes back to the same motivations and processes. Our brains are sex machines. More basic: Our brains are breeding machines. It’s all-consuming.
(The most elaborated layers of conscious thought are oddly fully developed in few people, and most, but not all, of those are male: theoretical scientists who study things not for pussy, or for access to pussy – in fact it works against them, though the creation of the urge to explore might stem originally from this – but who work out on the right hand of the bell-curve, weird biological outcasts who push the frontiers of human existence; thanks, accidents of evolution; artists on the very edge are often the same, filled with contempt for mere mortals and interested in nothing but their inner worlds and the outer non-human world: these are the people who make real differences, not doctors or lawyers or cops or politicians, all concerned with human affairs)
*YOU* aren’t even aware of your instincts almost all the time, as a woman. Men are more conscious of it; they’ve got slightly different (but fundamentally similar) programs. With no ovaries or womb, their tactics in this war (which is what it is) have to be different. But the war is the same.
JE NE SAIS QUOI
It’s that weird feeling you get when you meet a guy. “I don’t know why I like him/I don’t know why he’s interesting/there’s just something about him that I find fascinating/he has that je ne sais quoi/Il n’est pas si genti mais je lui trouve interessant/Es ist komisch aber doch finde ich ihn seltsammlich interessant/what is it about that guy that just makes me want to give him a chance, …”
It’s the same the world over.
You think you’re immune because you have super-fine-tuned senses?
All women can sense improper “alpha” vibes. That’s not special. It’s also not conscious. You have micro-fine tuning that’s programmed into you to sense it: All women do. I’ve dealt with that consciously for a decade and unconsciously all my life.
You are *exactly* like all other women in this manner.
Men are easy to predict: What men find attractive in women, how they will evaluate them, what they’ll put up with (with some variation). There’s a set of behaviors that are quite predictable.
Women are just as easy. You run from a biologically programmed script that is fundamentally similar to all other women.
You’re 23. You think you know everything. You’ve never faced any serious setbacks or challenges. You’re pretty and young, so most men will be deferential to you. You’ve been able to pick and choose and be the classic Receptive Female. High-quality male produce presents itself to you and dances for you. You get to squeeze it to make sure it’s fresh and tasty and you can buy it or not.
Let me give you some very serious warnings.
This wonder period lasts from 18-25. By 27, it’s waning. By 35, it’s long-gone.
If a man CHOOSES you for the reasons above – this is your glory-time – BE ON YOUR GUARD. If his affections don’t *evolve* with time and grow, and there’s no guarantee, then when the bloom fades, there go his affections.
The Alpha Male who chooses you *now* will have *HIS* value increase over time. He ages like a fine wine.
You DO NOT. Don’t believe me? Be careful.
You reject these thoughts now. Store them in the back of your mind and reference them from time to time.
It’s a game. It’s not what you think. Everything society consciously teaches you is a lie.
We are animals. We are predictable.
This is a naked truth that’s uncomfortable to wear. Wear it.
You’ll be happier in the long-run.
This is why blogs like this are valuable. CR is not always right; but his tone and outlook are
INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TO YOU.
Debate it internally, but this truth is something that will become incredibly valuable to you.
Remember:
YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL
YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE
YOU ARE EXACTLY LIKE OTHER WOMEN AND THERE ARE MANY LIKE YOU
MEN AND WOMEN ARE RARELY HONEST WITH EACH OTHER – BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT HONEST WITH THEMSELVES
SOCIETY IS AN EDIFICE OF CONVENIENCES AND UNTRUTHS DESIGNED TO MAKE US WORK TOGETHER – NOT EVERYTHING WE PUBLICLY UNDERSTAND IS TRUE.
I have been with no end of women almost exactly like you. You actually look a little bit like a married woman I dated years ago.
Consider these words. Pass them on.
This blog and others like it are filled with arrogance (including my own) and pretensions and blarney.
But the lesson is: Be ready to smash “truths” you think you know. Challenge your basic assumptions and beliefs. Observe. Observe reality, not reports.
This is the real lesson you can take away from debating with wankers on the Internet and self-satisfied bloggers like the blog meisters at CR.
And that’s a gift you give yourself.
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@Firepower – hmmm, you still haven’t stated whether or not you agree with my argument and included a derogatory comment on my marriage prospects. Negging is too obvious.
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Sorry, no dustbin men for me. I need him to earn at least the equivalent, if not more than myself as a doctor, so I have the option to take time off work in future. There’s a lot of diversity in London. Very different in the young professionals’ circuit to what you’re imagining.
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*Time off work to have babies etc. not just for the fun of it!
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When I mentioned ‘mutual respect’ , I meant you should settle with someone you have respect for, not someone you feel you are superior to so you feel it’s easier to control him/her. The latter scenario will breed contempt.
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@Gorb
Christ, you need to chill out, I did not mean to rattle your cage. I never said I was special or unique. I’m just who I am. I put across my arguments on the status of two partners in a relationship, (none of you seem to be able to answer a simple question). I do my own thing, pursue my own interests and goals, have great friends around me and date whom I think are up-standing, motivated, self-assured young gentlemen.
I’m 24 now so I promised that the next guy I commit to will be someone I think is the right guy, until then I’m not committing.
This is because I want to have a few babies before 35 (ovary closure time) and so working in reverse years with dating, engagement, marriage, babies etc. The Right time for meeting the Right guy is around now or the next year so I should only consider serious suitors and not distract myself with guys playing the game or wasting my time. I’ll let you know if I come across any.
You blame everything on my youth and sadly I can’t help that. Give me your email and I’ll update you in 10 years time and let you know the answer.
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*playing the game only with the intention to screw around – i.e. making empty promises, going missing, being selfish, playing tricks to bully women into submission.
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If game gives men a few tricks in self-confidence whilst they’re able to keep some moral integrity and still respect women and consider both sexes to be of equal status in the relationship, then that’s fine.
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@Jen
@Gorb
Christ, you need to chill out,
You entertain me at my boring job. You also make a great straw lady. We all like pinatas.
I did not mean to rattle your cage. I never said I was special or unique. I’m just who I am. I put across my arguments on the status of two partners in a relationship, (none of you seem to be able to answer a simple question).
It’s not about equality. It’s about male and female psychology.
Game isn’t just about picking up chicks. It’s about the fundamentals of male and female interactions. Psychology.
If you knew half the story of my life, you’d have many of your feel-nice world-is-fuzzy illusions shattered.
I guarantee you know little about what’s required to maintain a relationship or why you find X or Y attractive.
I do my own thing, pursue my own interests and goals, have great friends around me and date whom I think are up-standing, motivated, self-assured young gentlemen.
And the ones with good game will outshine the others, and you wont’ even notice it.
I’m not talking about shitty bar-hounds, either.
I’m 24 now so I promised that the next guy I commit to will be someone I think is the right guy, until then I’m not committing.
And you saying game is this or that just illustrates how little you understand about yourself. Who you *choose* to sleep with or date or whatever and what you’re actually attracted to will necessarily be the same.
This is the point we make. And you came on this blog spouting shit right away as if we’re amoral thugs.
This is because I want to have a few babies before 35 (ovary closure time) and so working in reverse years with dating, engagement, marriage, babies etc. The Right time for meeting the Right guy is around now or the next year so I should only consider serious suitors and not distract myself with guys playing the game or wasting my time. I’ll let you know if I come across any. You blame everything on my youth and sadly I can’t help that. Give me your email and I’ll update you in 10 years time and let you know the answer.
No problem. I’d say I’d be curious to know, but I see it all around me; I know what will happen. Human lives are human lives. Within a margin of error, I can predict it.
Within 10% accuracy nineteen times out of twenty.
Just take my final words and file them. Open up your mind and start reading. Male and female psychology works in ways you don’t acknowledge.
Knowledge is power. Acquire it.
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@Jen
If game gives men a few tricks in self-confidence whilst they’re able to keep some moral integrity and still respect women and consider both sexes to be of equal status in the relationship, then that’s fine.
You mean tricks like wearing makeup and padded bras?
And equal status – this means women treat men as equals?
That WOULD be quite the revolution.
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@Gorb
Make-up is a bad thing? Would you rather we went au naturel? Of course men should look smart and well presented, but the intention to be an arsehole should be left out of it. I don’t condone rude behaviour in women either.
I don’t know about the women you’ve dated, but I wouldn’t date a man I didn’t respect, so yes, I would treat him as at least my equal. Like I’ve said in my last 5 posts but which everyone seems to ignore, inequality breeds contempt and that’s a sure sign of a relationship which will fail.
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@Gorb
I’m not convinced you understand men and women as well as you say you do. First of all, you’re a man, not a woman, so I’d prefer to learn from my own experience and listen to my mother, or female colleagues higher in the career progression to learn from their experiences and their sage wisdom.
You seem to suggest that the strength in your argument lies in your 1) old age, 2) ‘dark’ past and 3) cynicism which gives you the right to extrapolate and make condescensions upon me. I wouldn’t agree with you simple because you usurp me with ‘I know best’.
With all due respect, I don’t mind if you and I argue the hypothetical, but kindly refrain from extrapolations and derogatory comments about who you think I am. It’s very…immature, ironically.
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@Jen
@Gorb
Make-up is a bad thing? Would you rather we went au naturel? Of course men should look smart and well presented, but the intention to be an arsehole should be left out of it. I don’t condone rude behaviour in women either.
I don’t know about the women you’ve dated, but I wouldn’t date a man I didn’t respect, so yes, I would treat him as at least my equal. Like I’ve said in my last 5 posts but which everyone seems to ignore, inequality breeds contempt and that’s a sure sign of a relationship which will fail.
Make-up is fine. It makes some women look pretty when they’re not at all.
Game is fine. It makes some men look confident and strong when they’re not, at first, when they get up in the morning. Eventually, unlike makeup, it becomes natural.
Women generally want to respect a man. But men who fawn over women or treat them as equals rarely get as much respect from women as they deserve.
Women want to look UP to men. Even Chinese women.
I lived in China. I dated Chinese women (admittedly, in Shanghai and Nanjing/Suzhou, so take what you want).
Men who treated women with some disdain got more, and prettier (higher Sexual Market Value) women, than men who didn’t.
As true there as here.
You can say what you want. *You* might be an outlier. *You* might be the illustration of NAWALT (Not All Women Are Like That). On some level, you’re the same. But you might be trained differently or you could be a statistical anomaly. Statistically, the odds of that are relatively low.
You will pick a guy who looks at least slightly down on you (alpha) before you pick a guy who looks up to you (beta).
The FIRST relationship will be healthier, last longer and be more successful than the second.
I guarantee you.
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Oh and I do read a lot of psychology. It started with the Freakonomics series and then Malcolm Gladwell. I would say Blink is one of my favourite books. I also watch the TED lectures and Helen Fisher makes very interesting points. Attraction is as much about biology as anything else. In practice, people tend to marry those of the same socioeconomic background, same level of intelligence and same level of attractiveness.
On observation, the dating game seems to be a cold war or a game of chicken between men and women, until someone gives in and then the other can relax because they wanted the same thing all along. It’s a bit sad really.
Perhaps there’s an argument for arranged marriages after all.
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@Jen,
‘Game’ may mean different things to different people, so I’ll just break it down for you what it means to me.
My father and his father before him performed the same mating ritual that went on for hundreds of years, at least since just after the Dark Ages. That is, a courtship, a display of chivalry, and finally, a proposal with the presentation of a diamond ring on bended knee. My mother was a virgin. My mother took my father’s last name, and she ruled the house, whereas my father ruled the external side: hunting and gathering. So far so good?
Fastforward to the present: no agreed upon mating ritual. Sex before marriage? Of course. Maybe even live together. Maybe not. No proposal, no wedding ring. Just, well…friends with benefits. Are you with me?
Women like this arrangement. They fought for it, tooth and nail. There was no response from men, only silence.
Until now.
Men had no idea what to make of this paradigm shift in sexual relations. Do we have sex? Do we get married? Are we friends, lovers, partners, what are we?
So the Game was born.
Summary: For me, Game means the art of seduction, and thinking like a woman. By that I mean, I pay attention to my narcissistic side, almost like a gay man, or a woman. I like to go shopping and indulge in typical women things, like massages and hair styling. I buy jewelry…for me. My clothing is stylish, colorful and daring. When I date a woman I insist she pays her half. If she refuses then its over. She is discarded, no matter how good she looks. The main thing is I focus entirely on my needs. My partner’s needs are secondary. This is how women think, and I think this is how men should think, too. Me first. Me. Me. Me.
And no, I am not being facetious. I am serious.
Treat yourself well, even selfishly, and women will find a man attractive. A man who does not do these things is a supplicating herb/beta. And women will lose interest.
Make sense, Jen?
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@Jen,
You’re engaging honestly. I’ll tolerate your insufferable arrogance – I assume it’s from youth and give you a temporary pass.
@Gorb
I’m not convinced you understand men and women as well as you say you do. First of all, you’re a man, not a woman, so I’d prefer to learn from my own experience and listen to my mother, or female colleagues higher in the career progression to learn from their experiences and their sage wisdom.
Always a good source. But a warning: they have a “hamster wheel” that can rationalize anything. Men see this all the time. Women rarely do.
You seem willing to think and consider (if not agree with) outside opinions. Exercise this and do a Gedanken Experiment.
Try to think like a guy.
You seem to suggest that the strength in your argument lies in your 1) old age,
My crochety words and creaking bones notwithstanding, I’ve been beaten around and seen the world. I’ve been dumped on my ass and dumped women. I’ve seen the dark side of women (in bed with happily married women listening to them complain about their otherwise awesome husbands) and broken at least 3 hearts badly, and still feel shame about one, and not because I was a cheating playboy (which I wasn’t at the time), but because I loved her, too. I’ve been poor, been a hermit, been an explorer, seen the bad side of good, the good side of bad, and because of my station and job I’ve seen more situations, people, characters and reactions to anything you could possibly *ever* have had. And I’m not that old. A good bit less than twice your age.
I’ve lived in 5 countries and learned 3 languages as an adult.
I won’t try to argue from authority – I’ve seen too many dicks do that who knew shit about anything.
I’m just saying:
PERHAPS you want to consider that your positions on many issues *may not* reflect reality at all.
Mine did not. It took waves of change to smash them.
We all live with complex layers of illusions. That’s okay.
Just consider – objectively read stuff. I would suggest starting with this blog. Go back and read the basic premises and then —
Medical student, go out there and *observe* how others behave.
Roissy is a lot of stuff, but one thing he is – is he’s a keen observer of reality. Actual reality.
He’s also an arrogant puffball who like all such people loves the sound of his own words. But people love this blog because the words, however ugly or nasty, have a clarion tone that just rings true.
Give it some time. Reflect. Read. Absorb it.
More often than not, you’ll find your own reality is not QUITE as you expect it to be.
2) ‘dark’ past and 3) cynicism which gives you the right to extrapolate and make condescensions upon me. I wouldn’t agree with you simple because you usurp me with ‘I know best’.
I’m the least cynical right now I’ve ever been. I love women. I love the world. I love people.
You can do that and be realistic.
With all due respect, I don’t mind if you and I argue the hypothetical, but kindly refrain from extrapolations and derogatory comments about who you think I am. It’s very…immature, ironically.
Not at all. We all have to do this.
I give you ONE cardinal rule for any discussion we have:
You have no right to Not Be Offended.
As a pretty young smart girl, living in the luxury of a large Western city, you have likely operated with that principle.
Here, you forfeit your right to now be offended.
If you object, remember: in reality, this is a gift.
So I’ll refrain from nothing. You are,however, perfectly within your rights to correct me if I’m wrong.
I presume? Correct me.
You get no kids glove treatment. Accept that in life and life gets better. Anyway, it applies here.
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@Jen,
Attraction is as much about biology as anything else.
Almost all about biology. Even the psychology is largely programmed.
You think that far too much is environment.
In practice, people tend to marry those of the same socioeconomic background, same level of intelligence and same level of attractiveness.
This is the Brownian motion of the randomly assortative Sexual Marketplace.
It’s statistics. We’re a statistical function.
On observation, the dating game seems to be a cold war or a game of chicken between men and women, until someone gives in and then the other can relax because they wanted the same thing all along. It’s a bit sad really.
It’s reality. Sad just shows that your perspective is wrong. it’s sad that there’s rain. We like sunny days. It’s sad that some people are ugly. It’s sad that kittens become cats.
It’s not sad at all. It just is.
Big difference. See it.
Perhaps there’s an argument for arranged marriages after all.
Nah. Do you want marriages or happy marriages?
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I think as dating progresses and women date more and more game types, they’ll realise that what they really want is a successful (not necessarily all women) man who treats them with respect and equal to himself. Eventually, she’ll learn that charming, good looking men are overated and what’s required for a successful marriage is not necessarily the kind of Patrick Bateman banker wanker who makes her loins burn, but the attractive best friend with whom they will make a good partnership and be companions in years to come. It doesn’t mean he’s lesser in status than the Bateman game on type. She’ll respect him more because he’s not screwing her around. It doesn’t mean he’s not an alpha male because he’s not playing game, but just that he’s a gentleman.
I am obviously very different to a Chinese girl raised in China. I understand that for them, they want a husband who is the more dominant partner. I’m happy for them and perhaps this is the type of woman for a game alpha.
For me, it’s got to be mutual respect and equality. The first chapter of Gladwell’s Blink illustrates it well. I think he would be a modest alpha male who is successful, intelligent, self-assured and eligible but wouldn’t call himself an alpha. Perhaps, this is the stealthy alpha you were talking about. I’m seeing a training surgeon like this right now. I’ll let you know.
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@Jen
I think as dating progresses and women date more and more game types, they’ll realise that what they really want is a successful (not necessarily all women) man who treats them with respect and equal to himself.
Or, not a small factor, their charms start to fade.
Eventually, she’ll learn that charming, good looking men are overated and what’s required for a successful marriage is not necessarily the kind of Patrick Bateman banker wanker who makes her loins burn, but the attractive best friend with whom they will make a good partnership and be companions in years to come.
Or she’s forced to settle because the other kind won’t.
It doesn’t mean he’s lesser in status than the Bateman game on type. She’ll respect him more because he’s not screwing her around. It doesn’t mean he’s not an alpha male because he’s not playing game, but just that he’s a gentleman.
He’ll be the Beta male who’s a good companion. He won’t make her wet by walking in the room.
At 35, her libido will wonder where all the hotness went. She’s in the danger zone for stepping out.
Note: Low-libido women can marry their best friend at will.
I am obviously very different to a Chinese girl raised in China. I understand that for them, they want a husband who is the more dominant partner. I’m happy for them and perhaps this is the type of woman for a game alpha.
Not unique to China. Women everywhere. They *want* this, but most men can’t *do* this.
For me, it’s got to be mutual respect and equality.
You tell yourself. Right now.
The first chapter of Gladwell’s Blink illustrates it well. I think he would be a modest alpha male who is successful, intelligent, self-assured and eligible but wouldn’t call himself an alpha. Perhaps, this is the stealthy alpha you were talking about. I’m seeing a training surgeon like this right now. I’ll let you know.
You are a classic female. Let me translate this passage for you.
– You want an alpha male with success, confidence, strength, and appeal to most women (ie, he could be with anyone: Eligible), BUT:
He is deferential. He’s YOUR alpha male. He’s Alpha, but treats YOU as his equal. He’s MODEST: IE, he *is* The Big Man but for you, he’s Your Equal.
Jen, you just described every fantasy in the world.
Vampire is Alpha, and dangerous, and exciting, and lives for ever and successful, BUT he loves his little human female and treats her with respect. Not a pet. He even loves her.
You just reiterated every woman’s Alpha Fantasy for us.
The pretty young things can entertain this.
Word of warning: Such men, men with options and men with choice, *rarely* stoke your ego by Choosing You Among All Others (which is what your female id and ego wants).
Such men dare TAKE what they want. And their options leverages all the power – FOR THEM.
Do you not see the script to which your brain is playing?
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@ Gorb
“He is deferential. He’s YOUR alpha male. He’s Alpha, but treats YOU as his equal. He’s MODEST: IE, he *is* The Big Man but for you, he’s Your Equal.
Jen, you just described every fantasy in the world.”
I’m happy to say, I think I just found the needle in the haystack, so to speak. I’ll be sure to take note of this piece of insight you just gave me. I knew he was pretty special but not how rare he really is. He and I have a few mutual friends so I want things to be slow but sure. Of course, I’ll be nice and casual, without letting him know how special I think he is, not until there’s a rock. This is the woman’s game, right?
Wish me luck then.
[Editor: Women are not attracted to equals within relationships. They want dominant men, who are dominant over other men and themselves.]
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Thanks Ed. for telling me what I want. I think you just saved me £000s in therapy there.
I think we should agree that we probably know what we want for ourselves better than what we assume the other wants.
[Editor: It doesn’t much matter what *you* claim you want, you solipsistic twit. What matters to men is what the majority of women want. And the majority have spoken loud and clear — women like men who are higher status than themselves.]
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@Jen,
@ Gorb
I’m happy to say, I think I just found the needle in the haystack, so to speak. I’ll be sure to take note of this piece of insight you just gave me. I knew he was pretty special but not how rare he really is. He and I have a few mutual friends so I want things to be slow but sure. Of course, I’ll be nice and casual, without letting him know how special I think he is, not until there’s a rock. This is the woman’s game, right?
Wish me luck then.
Good luck with that. In order to snag such a man – and keep him happy – there are very specific things *YOU* must bring to the table. And *YOU* will have habits that will tend to emasculate him, and reduce him in your own eyes. You will test him and if he fails, you will lose attraction to him. This is the nature of women, especially high-SMV women, and I’m not saying this is what you are: but generally, the more a woman thinks of her own sexual market value (and clearly you have some opinions on this score – no need to reply with false modesty, it’s transparent and ugly), the more she’s going to test her man.
You don’t *want* to do it. You just will. And, at some point, he will likely fail. And the pussy will start to dry out.
Have you thought about what YOU bring to the table?
1) Your education is nice, but not relevant to his evaluation of you. I guarantee it. Test this (not through asking, because he won’t respond to your question as if it’s an innocent query. His instincts will tell him it’s not, and he’s right).
2) Your appearance is critical. Advice:
Do
Not
Get
Fat.
3) Loyalty: Give him no reason to suspect you’re exercising options.
4) Don’t be too much work.
5) Give him space.
If he’s really worth it, expect him to have his eye wander from time to time. Men do this. It’s natural. Chinese men do it even more (those raised in China). That Western men are playboys is a myth. I know lots of Chinese guys who’ll tap anything that moves. So, likely, do you. If you know it or not.
That said, remember one thing: Men are not women.
Do not seek to control him (hard for all women to do: This is is the biggest program of all, and you think it’s all natural, which is worse), and he will be stunningly loyal.
What *WE* consider being controlled is most emphatically not what *YOU* think of as being controlled.
Bear in mind he may step out on you. If he IS what you think he is, then it’s extremely likely.
It’s the price you pay for dating up.
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Jen,
and double-standards:
Say he steps out on you in 4 years. He apologizes and comes back.
Note that a guy stepping out on you is not the same as a woman stepping out on a guy. We’re programmed differently and for any man with a decent opinion of himself, your image in his mind will be irreparably damaged.
Most women can forgive a guy. Men are subject to the “variety is required” instinct. The result: When they step out on their mate, they can come back undamaged and as committed as ever. This is almost always not true for women.
Unfair? Absolutely. Double-standard? You betcha.
Fucking reality? Definitely.
Should you marry an Alpha (even one who defers to you), at some point you will suspect he’s not working late.
You can ditch the bastard at that point, but bear in mind: The fact of his wayward eyes will increase his value in the eyes of other women. At 35, he’ll be dating another 25 year old.
You will not.
Just a thought.
Remember: There are consequences for dating an alpha male.
They’re not insignificant. You think you know it all now, and women tell you things.
Women will tell you what you want to hear. They’ll make judgments of men. Etc.
But what *ALL MEN* understand often bears no relationship to what women understand. Most men won’t cheat because their religion forbids it (God will Get You) or they have few options. Or it’s just too much work.
A man with options, no matter how stalwart, will forever be tempted.
Have you considered this?
This is the biggest advantage of choosing a Beta Male Best Friend as a mate. He’s too terrified to touch other women.
A real Alpha, a man who’s Eligible, until the date of the wedding, and even after that, Has Options.
He will never warn you. He will never tell you. He will simply Act.
I’m sure you’ll throw a hyper spaz if you find out, etc. If he’s worth his salt, you’ll never know.
Not all men will do this. But the ones who will are a random distribution. The geek might. The jock might.
I’ll tell you this:
DOCTORS (especially surgeons) ARE FAMOUS FOR ACCESS TO AND CHEATING WITH YOUNGER WOMEN.
Bad staying-married rates. As a *MALE* doctor ages, all else being equal, his Sexual Market Value doesn’t just go up–
It skyrockets.
YOURS WILL NOT GO UP.
AT ALL.
You think it will. You think these halcyon days of men admiring you and you looking in the mirror and smiling will last forever, because you’ve never known anything else.
I’m here to remind you of the harsh realities of biology.
Choose your man well, but even when you do, SHOULD YOU MARRY THE ALPHA DOCTOR you meet, you must always know that *YOU* are in the weaker position.
You always will be.
This is just one danger you face.
You haven’t actually gone through life yet. That’s the principle danger.
Alpha Males are dangerous this way.
Want to keep them?
It’s not the *guy* who has to Bring It.
It’s You. And it’s time-sensitive.
When you’re 45, you may remember these words. Think long and hard on them. All the good wishes in the world mean nothing after the unforgiving works of time play their game.
His SMV will not just go up: It will skyrocket.
Yours, miss, is RIGHT NOW at its peak. It will not go up. You have reached the ceiling. It’s pretty high. But it’s downhill from here. You have a few good years to enjoy it.
Advice: hope for the best but plan to be realistic.
Get married soon.
Have your kids soon.
Save your own money.
Have your own life, but complement your man’s.
In short, you’ll keep him if you’re not a cunt. Problem: You won’t know if you’re being a cunt.
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I have my own rules for dating.
1) Trust your instincts – if he looks like a player, he probably is.
2) Self-preservation – never ask him out first, never indulge his games, never reschedule for him, never text him if he’s out of touch, don’t sleep with him too soon. Especially if you like him.
3) No bankers – just don’t go there, no one who wears a suit and looks like he’s in a pissing contest all day.
@ Gorb
YES I KNOW, SURGEON:BEWARE. I WOULDN’T NORMALLY ADVOCATE FOR SURGEONS AT ALL. However, he and I were friends in childhood but only recently got reacquainted through mutual friends. It’s hard to see him as the alpha young surgeon when you used to send each other emoticons on MSN messenger.
I am educated because I can be and because I am good enough to get one. I do it because I want to do a job which adds value to my life as well as adding value to someone else’s. I didn’t do it to make myself more appealing to men. I am aware that sometimes I have to tone down my intelligence and be more ingratiating and less challenging with cetain personality types, which I’m not comfortable with, but is necessary to play the game.
Medicine has worked out because I expose myself to an environment with more eligible men both in medicine and across the young professionals’ network in the city.
Of course you think I emasculate men, but this is me being candid. With a man who’s self-assured and whom I respect, I wouldn’t put these opinions across out of context, there’d be no reason to speak of this subject, anyway. If it works, it just happens.
Gorb, please stop speculating about my life. Cheers.
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Actually, it’s not ‘negging’ if its said out of honesty. youmay be a bit gunshy from all the dbags in london bars hitting on you.
Everyone knows asians are the extreme minority in england and even muslims now outnumber you. The Hongkong moneyed types are exceptionaly prevalent in London, while we here have Frisco fishmongers and all points in between
That’s precisely why I said you’d never marry a dustbin bloke, for even if you fell in love with him with all your heart, you KNOW there is no way your parents would ever approve even if he were a civil servant. He’ll have to be better than you to win family approval.
The posh london asian girls I know always struggle with getting an asian guy that is a higher earner, yet still excites them thus british asian men are well aware of their worth.
You mention taking time off – is there room for that in medicine, or do you mean a regular doctorate in another field like education etc.
ps, i knew gorby would entertain you.
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Editor And the majority have spoken loud and clear — women like men who are higher status than themselves.]
Some people may not understand your definition of dominance.
I think most women are willing to settle for a man who is an equal. It’s men who have lower status(money, influence, looks, education) that most women are willing to do without.
stop being so mean to Jen. If you disagree disagree but don’t be so mean to her for God’s sake .
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Tim, RUM
I’m shocked. You enjoy hurting animals. Must be a male thing.
* chic noir shakes head and walks off*
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This is so right. Asian women always think of themselves as “Asians” first – even in a Western country.
Here, in the west, filial piety demands that they wed herbified Asian boys, thus predicting and proving my theory that there is no such thing as a Happy Western Asian Marriage; most wives put on lots of weight before their 15th wedding anniversary.
While in Asian countries, men are distinctly manly – rulers of their domain; the wives are happier. Even without the need for educating themselves into higher social strata the wives are honestly satisfied by devoting themselves to their family and children. They are mistresses of their domain by virtue of their family position, unlike the west, where they are given status by outsiders like employers.
Still, women will never grasp the concept of hypergamy.
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@Firepower – come to London and see for yourself. Within the young professionals’ network, I don’t think the dating scene is bad at all, there are just a few landmines.
I’m disappointed in what you said. I don’t see myself as Chinese or English. It doesn’t define me. I’m just who I am.
With regards to taking time off, I mean time off to have babies etc. So I need someone who earns enough who can potentially be soul breadwinner and doesn’t need my supplemented income for the family to survive. Some specialities in medicine are very flexible and women can work part time. I would say surgery is the worst. I want to do dermatology or family practice because they’re two I enjoy and will allow be a good balance of work/family life.
@chic noir, thanks. I don’t take their ‘mean’ comments personally. At the end of the day, I’m just trying to argue in a debate and speculative comments from an anonymous person on the other side of a screen are not going to fundamentally change my life or demoralise me.
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firepower
you have something to say about every race of women so which group of women do you like ???
Jen speculative comments from an anonymous person on the other side of a screen are not going to fundamentally change my life or demoralise me.
*chic noir gives Jen a high five*
that’s my girl 🙂
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Let me clarify ‘I’m just who I am’ being a multitude of things which have shaped my life. Of these, being Chinese and raised in England are just two of them. I’m very happy to have got the best of both cultures. I also have many other interests and a diversity of friends who constitute who I am. I understand Asian culture is different in the US, but in England, Chinese people are very diverse and widespread, the only ones who form cliques tend to be the international students.
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Thanks chic noir.
I think a truly amazing woman is one who plays a man at their game without the man realising 😉
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Well, all Londoners find more camraderie with a Frenchman than with a scouser.
While you may define yourself as cross-cultural, your parents view you exclusively as chinese. Its like if that Cate Middletown girl brought home a respectable middle class Liverpool fiance.
I’m not a meanie – you’d know it if I were so i dont know why you’re calling me mean. even Greenlander The Lutefisk Fanatic accuses me of whitknighting you.
Its just the way things really are and theres no foul in admission of facts. If you can marry up in traditional chinese fashion with a man who can support you taking a vacation thats what has always been the norm for upper caste british.
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good question. To be fair, I can only answer with facts, and not what kind of “fantasy” girl I want. I am fond of blond Swedish types, with the occasional Ginger/red-haired girl catching my eye. I love Italian women and they look a lot like Spanish women so they’re the kind of the same. Mexican girls are fun to be around. I’m no racist in spite of what obsiddie tells you; I love black women. They’re honest, spunky and look great on Egyptian cotton sheets. I also like middle east/Arabic women and even though I give roosh shit for being a pershe, Iranian girls are fine, but their famillies are kind of weird. The whole family thing is like what i’m saying to jenna; I also like asian girls, but what guy doesn’t? They’re petite with babyfaces and are great at mothering their guys if they really like them.
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Firepower, I didn’t say you were mean!
I think chic noir was referring to Gorb’s attempts at indoctrinating me with ‘YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL’ chants.
Also, my parents have accepted white boyfriends in the past. They’re much more avante garde than you think. Like I said, we have the best of both (in my family anyway).
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@Jen
I have my own rules for dating.
1) Trust your instincts – if he looks like a player, he probably is.
Yes. You will, however, miss some.
2) Self-preservation – never ask him out first,
True.
never indulge his games,
Corollary: Don’t play yours. Hard to do. You don’t even know you have them.
never reschedule for him,
Absolutely. Very smart.
never text him if he’s out of touch,
Myah. Okay.
don’t sleep with him too soon. Especially if you like him.
Works if you can bait him and carry him for a long time. Hot alpha successful guys will, at some point and likely already are, look for poon. They may still angle after you – but they may be doing some other chick while they sit around and wait.
The most quiet guys do this, too.
3) No bankers – just don’t go there, no one who wears a suit and looks like he’s in a pissing contest all day.
No bankers or lawyers.
Same for banker chicks and lawyer chicks.
@ Gorb
YES I KNOW, SURGEON:BEWARE. I WOULDN’T NORMALLY ADVOCATE FOR SURGEONS AT ALL. However, he and I were friends in childhood but only recently got reacquainted through mutual friends. It’s hard to see him as the alpha young surgeon when you used to send each other emoticons on MSN messenger.
Warning still stands. Your impressions and childhood experience are irrelevant.
I am educated because I can be and because I am good enough to get one. I do it because I want to do a job which adds value to my life as well as adding value to someone else’s. I didn’t do it to make myself more appealing to men.
Excellent.
Because it won’t. *At all*. Your Sexual Market Value is based 0% on your education, and maybe 1.5% on your job.
I am aware that sometimes I have to tone down my intelligence and be more ingratiating and less challenging with cetain personality types, which I’m not comfortable with, but is necessary to play the game.
IE, not be so assured of your own power and intelligence?
You don’t need to act stupid. But the smartest people are not damaged by assuming some humility. Especially true for women.
Medicine has worked out because I expose myself to an environment with more eligible men both in medicine and across the young professionals’ network in the city.
Eligible = More potentially successful, = status and money.
Gotcha.
There are lots of eligibles in other fields, too.
Oh – wait. You’re not conscious of status, are you?
Of course you think I emasculate men, but this is me being candid.
It has nothing to do with you, specifically.
I’m sure you do it because I’ve known so damned many women like you, i can safely say that within a very high change of statistical correctness, you will do this because all women in your situation do this.
With a man who’s self-assured and whom I respect, I wouldn’t put these opinions across out of context, there’d be no reason to speak of this subject, anyway. If it works, it just happens.
“it just happens”
(shake head)
The Magic Flows From The Inner Source.
I will tell you another nugget that you should imbibe sooner rather than later:
NOTHING JUST HAPPENS.
And that I’ll guarantee.
How do you keep it working?
“We fell out of love.”
“The magic disappeared.”
“I don’t know what happened.”
Etc.
I guess *that* just happened, too.
We’re not Strange Beings of Mysteries Forces Walking With Magic.
Step outside your Special Snowflake frame.
Gorb, please stop speculating about my life. Cheers.
Ah, the blindness of youth.
Anyway, I told you:
Right to not be offended rescinded on entry. Too bad.
And on the “princess” and “Magic” outlook:
Thanks for the illustration.
Men please note. This is what you need to work with.
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@ChicNoir,
For the love of God and all this is holy,
Can you please change your profile pic, or gravatar, or whatever it’s called? What’s up with the stank-ass feet?
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Gorb, ‘it just happens’ meaning the relationship will evolve without the need to write crib notes on websites and have deep analytical discussions on gameplaying.
I’m not referring to magical powers.
Dear lord.
Of course I want status, I haven’t worked fucking hard to be a loser. I meant, within your relationship, the two of you should have mutual respect for each other and hold each other in equal regard.
More contempt you have for the opposite sex = More unhappiness.
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@Jen
If you knew anything about relationships, you would know that feminine is submitting, while masculine is dominating. Hence equality between the sexes is unattainable.
If the men doesn’t have the power/control over their women, there will be no respect towards the man and will lead to predicable doom of the relationship. Why would a woman respect a man of equal status, when society was constructed to grant men higher socioeconomic status? It is unnatural for equal relationship between a man and a woman.
That said, I totally understand your biased viewpoint, it is extremely typical for you to believe in equality or the Utopian concept perpetuated by liberal media. You should show your true colors and be a proponent of communism. Now that is a real equality advocate.
It is also enlightening that you define success in monetary, educational attainment and accumulation of material possession. You truly are a status whore and probably here to boost traffic to your blog. For your manipulation tactics, I sincerely adore you. I’ll bet you are highly narcissistic and feel superior for having a British accent even though you are Asian. Do you even speak your native tongue?
I digressed, but please go contribute to the births out of wedlock fiasco in the UK. Clearly, the UK is a model for relationships when 42% of births are bastards. Hope you have dealing with all those father less future criminals.
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The King 认为我不会所普通话。 他用小心眼了解社会，他了解的女人更少。 他一定没有女朋友。
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@Jen,
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
You can write it in Chinese and I can labor through the characters I don’t know but i get the drift. Tell me if I have it wrong:
Don’t respect women and you get no poon.
I’ll play your game.
사실이? 아니야
Must have some Korean friends around.
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ok tim, I will change it for you.
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BTW, those vids you posted of the asian guy dancing is a riot. Chic, I bet you’ll like this. Carnaval live on YT:
http://www.youtube.com/carnaval?feature=ticker
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@Gorb, I expected better of you. No, that’s not what I said at all.
I’m trying to put my arguments and points across against the game but all I get are launches of personal attacks. It’s getting tiresome when men are so entrenched in their belief, they won’t even entertain the idea that men and women can be worthy of mutual respect and the only method they can think of to derail me are personal attacks. What is there left to say to men like this?
This website has been novel for a week but I don’t think I have the time to read it on a long term basis.
At the end of the day, I will become a doctor and this automatically puts me in a certain socioeconomic class. I can achieve status without marrying any man for his status and money. The only man I have to thank is my father. I’m not trying to boast or be narcississtic, I’m just saying that I’ve worked hard all these years to achieve something for myself. With regards to a partner, I need one who is motivated, confident and ambitious in himself, whilst also respecting that in me. Obviously, this is not the demographic of this readership. Is a man who is in constant need to assert his dominance really an alpha, or is he just insecure?
What’s disappointed me most with this readership, is you’re not even willing to agree to disagree, it’s very ungentleman-like.
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@Jen,
the idea that men and women can be worthy of mutual respect and the only method they can think of to derail me are personal attacks. What is there left to say to men like this?
Aaalright. I’ll play your game.
Mutual respect comes in many fine colors.
Please define them for me. In as much detail as you see fit. As is, the phrase is meaningless.
With regards to a partner, I need one who is motivated, confident and ambitious in himself, whilst also respecting that in me.
This isn’t that hard to find. There are literally thousands of such men. I suspect you have a few more, … qualifications than that.
Obviously, this is not the demographic of this readership.
In fact, I suspect it is. Read some more.
Is a man who is in constant need to assert his dominance really an alpha, or is he just insecure?
We’re all insecure and any man who says no is a liar of elephantine proportions.
What’s disappointed me most with this readership, is you’re not even willing to agree to disagree, it’s very ungentleman-like.
Hey, what you believe is of no consequence whatsoever to me.
I was offering up some free opinions, which are worth what you pay for them.
You’re free to toodle and get on with it.
I’m not here to be a gentleman to you or anyone else.
But for you to dismiss game and write off the experience of a very large number of men (and this is real-life experience) is an unfortunate mistake for you.
Knowledge comes in many forms.
it’s not us who won’t see your point: Your point (and being a gentleman and just shutting the hell up) is the modus operandi of every Western society.
That you don’t see this is unfortunate.
But make no mistake – none of this is personal in the slightest. That you don’t see it is of zero consequence to anyone else.
I was trying to get you to open your eyes for your own sake. I’d do the same for any guy or for a fat 40-year-old housewife. You win nothing by scoring points against some pixels. You can find other ways to pat yourself on your back and reassure yourself in your view of sexual relations.
You don’t want to hear – this is entirely your loss. And it is your loss.
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Freud wouldn’t have died bald if he’d asked “do women know what they want?”
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jen,
you keep insisting that equality is a necessary component for a successful relationship. what we’re telling you is that it’s not.
you keep insisting that inequality necessarily breeds contempt. again, wrong.
you’ve been advised to read through past blog entries so that you could really see what this site is about, and what roissy means by the term ‘game’, but judging by your posts, you have not done so.
your posts reek of feminist indoctrination. did you really expect a warm welcome?
what did you really expect to accomplish here?
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Jen
Just take a deep breath, doll, and look around you. There may or may not be any gentlemen here but you are not being attacked personally, at least by the normal standards of no-prizoners cruelty that prevail in this part of town.
I think some well intentioned, smart, older guys really are trying to help you see the world as it is. Very, very few men have looked back at their younger selves and not wished that they had been provided with a more realism based understanding of the male-female thing. No one is saying that you are less than adult. But you have not been an adult very long. And if you are studying Medicine in a serious place like the UK, it is virtually a sure thing that your life has been generally free of hard-lessons-learned regarding the man woman thing and you are also quite idealistic. There is nothing wrong or shameful about any of this. Many of us here can relate better than you might imagine.
I will try to be brief: As others have said, if you are not aware of your instincts you will get ambushed by them. That can be a painful thing. And being book smart and pure hearted and well intentioned will turn out to be no protection at all.
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Chic Noir
I never actually described a scene of me hurting anything. It was merely suggested. I did describe a little of a highly effective massage technique that the evil little monsters really liked.
Mick Jaeger used to say that a singer should always slur his words when doing a raunchy song because the audience could go farther into nasty scenes with their imaginations than you could get away with saying on stage.
Remember Louie Louie? No one was sure what the lyrics were but they were sure it was the nastiest ever put into a song.
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re rum to jenny
much nicer
*chic noir gives rum and sly hug*
*goes to listen to the words of louie louie*
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@Jen
“认为我不会所普通话。 他用小心眼了解社会，他了解的女人更少。 他一定没有女朋友.”
啊啊啊，因为你看起来韩国人还有日本人。他有很多社会知识，他了解的女人真实性。当然, 你没有女朋友。所以, 你没有了解的女人？
Chinese is my fourth language, so don’t go cute on me.
No one is attacking you for your right to disagree, it is just obvious that you haven’t read all of R’s points to make your assertions or learned about sociology to understand the relation between the sexes in the U.S.
Well congratulations on your academic and professional future, hope your practice goes well.
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Suze Rotolo just recently died. Take your hat off, friend, and show some fucking respect.
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LOL, that’s awesome! I’ve always found something off-putting with guys who purchase cats as their primary pet. Unless it is a family cat, it will result in me finding your unattractive.
As a female I do not like cats. I’m a dog person. I guess I like a pet that needs me.
Dogs have masters, cats have support staff!
xR
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Rum, I appreciate your well intentioned reply, Gorb’s replies I can handle and discuss like adults, (until he sounds patronising). The only person who I allow to patronise me, is my father. I’m sure none of you want to sound like my father, so please don’t patronise, mock or chastise women, it’s a bit pathetic.
Whilst Gorb’s replies are largely measured. Replies like that of the The_King’s:
“You truly are a status whore and probably here to boost traffic to your blog. For your manipulation tactics, I sincerely adore you. I’ll bet you are highly narcissistic and feel superior for having a British accent even though you are Asian. Do you even speak your native tongue?
I digressed, but please go contribute to the births out of wedlock fiasco in the UK. Clearly, the UK is a model for relationships when 42% of births are bastards. Hope you have dealing with all those father less future criminals.”
…are astonishing. Such comments are only aimed as person attacks, are they not? What is there to say to someone who hides behind a computer screen and insults women? Why is there a compulsion for him to make assumptions and mouth off to me? Very, very poor breeding.
Gentlemen should not be bitchy. It’s very unattractive. Kindly refrain from making assumptions or extrapolating about my personal life and have the decency to stick to the arguments discussed in the hypothetical and philosophical realm without the need to comment about me. I know that’s how you neg and break down women, but it’s really just bitchiness.
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Why’re you paying so much attention to him? The King’s a self-described sociopath/psychopath(his words, not mine). He’s usually disturbing. What I find even more disturbing is that he does have a lot of success with women, reportedly. I wouldn’t find that surprising; women tend to not be socially conditioned to be sensible and protect themselves against dangerous types these days. The traits that give a man danger — the classic bad boy signals — are attractive to girls. They used to be very careful about it, but the law and the police give them a false sense of complacency… and noone gives them any warnings against men who’re too charming.
Negging is more accurately described as teasing but it’s a higher social concept so even guys practicing need some time and experimentation to understand what it is. It’s a reminder to both people in the encounter that a girl isn’t perfect. It’s most needed when a woman thinks she’s very arrogant about her self-evaluated attractiveness, and men are too lost in admiration to even think of putting her on anything less than a pedestal.
I agree with your point about genders being the yin to the yang, and contempt not allowing a proper long-term relationship to flourish (but who needs mutual respect for a casual hook up? It’s not even possible to ascertain that.). The authors have said they love their girls already; there’s no place for contempt there. Gender realism doesn’t engender contempt in itself; bitter life experiences do and often for certain specific qualities, experiences which can be prevented by being a realist. But you don’t seem to understand how easily contempt blossoms in a woman, and how not so easily it happens in a man for a woman. If your perfect surgeon date suddenly left his job, you’d automatically start feeling contempt pretty much regardless of the rational reason. That’s why women normally initiate breakups in relationships (apparently 80% of the time in relationships, and definitely around 70% in divorces). There’s a low threshold for contempt.
This is an utterly ridiculous and wierd remark. What if she richly deserves it? Why should she be excluded? Because she has ovaries?
I think you may have meant ‘me’ instead of women.
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@Jen,
Why do you keep coming back here? You’re set, you’re on your way, you don’t need any advice. So what gives?
Look, here’s my advice: read through some of the historical posts, like ‘Dating Market Value Test for Women’. Then after you’ve digested it, come back and comment.
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oic then thats cool with me that you dont insult me. Beware: the gorbie is very skilled at Chinese Seduction – sadly, I can’t devote energies on him; reading War and Peace in Korean is not my thing.
You know, it is very avante garde of your parents to accept all your white bfs. You do make 21st century London sound very openminded. You are very lucky: Many older chinese find white boys unacceptable.
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@Jen
“…are astonishing. Such comments are only aimed as person attacks, are they not? What is there to say to someone who hides behind a computer screen and insults women? Why is there a compulsion for him to make assumptions and mouth off to me? Very, very poor breeding.”
No, it isn’t a personal attack. Don’t flatter yourself for not understanding sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek. You should note I don’t insult ladies, I do insult others though.
Poor breeding… now you are also making assumptions and making personal attacks. My last, middle and first name speaks for itself, does yours?
Your conclusions are understandable, I am a great actor and hold multiple masks for different occasions. You will never be able to recognize me if I met you in person, which is the beauty of game.
So tiger woman define your ideal mate or equal man? Also define good breeding… I like to compare my US definition against yours.
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Well, the current guy is British Chinese so they’re happ(ier), I think. My parents go as far as discussing contraception (which is a bit weird, even for me, having worked in sexual health clinic). My mum did not bat an eyelid when she saw I’d got my belly-button pierced (admittedly, 2 years earlier). So, they’re pretty cool for early 90s PhD immigrants. My dad has actually encouraged cohabitation before marriage as a ‘trial’ to see what I’m getting myself into.
Please do not have game for Chinese women. Amongst my Chinese girlfriends, we call these men ‘Sinopervs’.
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@Jen
Its proven that cohabitation before marriage actually hurts long-term potential, R actually has a post dedicated to this topic. You should go read it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/us/03marry.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=live%20together%20before%20marriage&st=cse
Belly-button piercing is very middle class. I hope you don’t dye your hair or get a tattoo, because that would demote you to high-prole taste wise.
Surprising your private prep education doesn’t include sexual education.
As a 外国人 who studied in Shanghai and Beijing. I can tell you personally that game does work in rural and in metropolitan areas.
What evidence do you have? Also when you mean Chinese girlfriends, you mean British Chinese correct? Which would not be a representative of native Chinese living in China.
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thank you bhetti! maybe she’ll listen to you.
I think you may have meant ‘me’ instead of women.
hmmm, i’m not so sure about that. for example, in the same post she says ‘What is there to say to someone who hides behind a computer screen and insults women?’ not ‘people’, but women. the expression of shock that women could be attacked in this way implies the belief that women should be protected from such things. but not men though. oops, wait, is that still equality?
and in a previous post, she writes ‘..I wouldn’t date a man I didn’t respect, so yes, I would treat him as at least my equal’. ‘at least’? you’re either equal, or not. that ‘at least’ is subtle, but very telling.
feminism runs deep in this one. but not really surprising.
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@The_King – ‘poor breading’ meaning acting ungentleman-like. Mouthing off is just beneath you. The English are all about the stiff upper lip until you implode.
MR DARCY for example, is the epitome of English gentleman. His game was good, but he met his adversary and fell in love. It’s a very funny book. I recommend Austen.
As for my ‘equal’ man, I guess the male equivalent of me, not much of a stretch there? Someone middle class, good relations with his family, educated, professional, could support a family by himself if I decide to have time off to have babies etc. Someone extrovert like me and holds similar values so we will will have similar social circles and get on with each others’ friends. We may have different hobbies and interests, but I think our core values must be the same in order for a long term relationship to work. We’d have independent careers but different roles at home (i.e. my uterus), however, overiding all of this is a MUTUAL sense of respect for each other, so there will never be one of us thinking we’re better than the other. The last clause, is where I think my ideals differ from the game. I worry it gives men too much of an ego boost to only go for women they think they can control and therefore, beneath them, this insecurity/ overdominance only breeds contempt.
Yes, yes, R is your god so you must obey and quote everything he says. What do YOU think about cohabitation before marriage?
@itsme – nice, asserting your dominance by speaking of me in the 3rd person. Your nit-picking is pedantic.
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well, i DID prophesy you would date Chinese so thanks for admitting it.
You must be from a wealthy family and have huge advantages to land a super scarce British chinese guy; of course you realize your case is the rare exception to the regular class of chinese.
as far as gaming chinese girls go – of course i’m gaming you. Chinese girls are THE girls that demand it most. after all, any group that has a pet name for itself (sino) is ripe for the Gaming.
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@jen,
@itsme – nice, asserting your dominance by speaking of me in the 3rd person.
i was responding to bhetti about you, thus you were being referred to in the 3rd person.
Your nit-picking is pedantic.
k
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@Jen,
Bear in mind I get bored at work and often have nothing to do for a few hours on end. This is all stream of consciousness. Don’t be so serious. I need to entertain myself.
Onward:
I wasn’t being randomly condescending. Your assertions (not observations; they’re not even that) are the result of either/and/or inexperience or utterly typical female illusions. You don’t see it because you’re in the maze. This is obvious to many here. Time may cure that, but openness on your part might, as well.
Don’t worry, men suffer from similar defects. I have a particularly stunning GF and I’m not a natural alpha. She’s devoted to me. I have men wondering what the hell I put in her coffee. Attitude changed my life. But when you tell many men, even demonstrate it, they often simply become angry or hate you more thoroughly.
Reality bites, you know.
YOU
I was being condescending because you fit the profile of delusional young woman perfectly (and have only reinforced this as we’ve commented here, with the caveat that you do seem willing to ponder on a basic level).
I don’t respect women automatically as a category, any more than I automatically presume all men are worthy of the same respect. *Here*, in a place where observations are debated and reported, you’d better look again at your high-strung sensibilities about How Men And Women Should Speak To One Another In A Respectful Tone and shelve them.
This isn’t Proper Society. It’s anonymous (should be) and you’re not here to stoke your feelings of self-worth. You can easily dismiss any insult. I’d suggest you do so. That’s condescending, but it’s also good advice.
EQUALITY
Men and women are not designed for equality. That’s the bald truth of it. By your own admission, you would like a more powerful, competent male who also defers to you.
You’ve never defined what “treating with respect” even means. You’re assuming, again. Don’t hide behind presumed definitions of words that are left deliberately vague.
Real equality between any individuals in any circumstance is impossible. A man who treats his woman as an equal will be utterly shortchanged by her in the long run.
The observation made by people in the real world is this: Women gravitate and are attracted to men who are, in some appreciable way, more powerful (insert qualification here) than they are. This is obvious in the real world and the sociobiological reason for it is also absurdly obvious.
You yourself have hinted at this.
The female fantasy is the More Powerful Man who will then defer to the woman, devote himself to her, etc. This is her power-trip goal. This is the perfect scenario. She wants the Big Man who could have any woman (is eligible) but actively chooses her – and only her.
I’m just pointing out: You’re as subject to this integral genetically-determined program as anyone, which you so powerfully indicated. Also, this is natural. There’s nothing shaming about it. There IS something shaming about not admitting it.
Men, if given the chance, will dog it around. Why? Because it’s also hard-wired. It makes sense for their own male-non-womb-bearing reproductive strategy. Suppressing that program is a big deal and controlling male sexuality is a major component of many cultural processes.
Biological programming runs absolutely counter to your calls for mutual equal respect.
If I get a job, in a foreign country, which is relatively likely, I expect my woman to follow me. I’m unlikely to follow her. I’ll tell you – most women I’ve known have been willing to do this, and would not have respected me had the situation be reversed – I would have taken some kind of respect hit.
Go and listen to the conversations your female friends have. Actually listen – process them. Observe as if you were a Human Studies Major from Mars and you had a thesis to do for Human Sociomechanics Graduate Seminar.
Start listening to the people around you. Take notes.
Believe me – go back and re-read all the key posts on this blog. I suggest you go out and hit up more Helen Fisher (flawed though some of her work is) and overdose on Dawkins.
RESPECT
And as far as respect from men here is concerned – don’t concern yourself with it. If any of the people you encounter piss you off, don’t get your hackles up.
We’re not here to compare our Breeding, and the content of our words (doubly true for CR) is NOT measured by the classiness of our approach.
In honesty, you sound ineffably British upper-middle-class and yet somehow insufferably elitist in that peculiarly educated-Chinese way, of the Chinese intellectual class I worked so closely with in China. I’m making an observation based on how you write and what you say and what you react to and how you react to it: it’s an unusual mix of vaguely haughty British overweening upper-middle-class presumption and that profoundly arrogant Chinese intellectual class attitude I’ve come to appreciate so much and which infuriates my democratic sensibilities.
That’s all fine.
But I lived in Europe (continent, albeit) and worked alongside the self-satisfied smug intellectuals in France and the pragmatic self-indulgent elitists in Germany. The flavor is different, but I’ll give this to the Europeans and the Brits: The lower classes, the masses, are a scrabbly lot, but damn, are they direct, to the point and in many ways admirable. The upper classes, with their notions and charades, are largely contemptible. This has been true for generations. I’m not the first to react this way.
In all honesty, your tone smacks of the elitism that hobbles the upper classes all over the world and prevents them from seeing reality.
I’m not trying to insult you. I suffer from the same all the time.
My family is old-school New England stuck-up small-town self-righteousness. It’s not the same as Stuck Up European or English or Chinese. It’s not an “intellectual” affectation, like it is in France. But it’s a real phenomenon this side of the pond. Most New Englanders are liberal and self-delusional. I know people that think The World Should Just Be A Certain Way And How Dare You Object, You Must Be Beneath Me.
There *are* social retards and ideological nutcases here, for which contempt is applicable (most white nationalist retards here fall into this rubric, though I admit their prole idiocy offends my New England Yankee notions, and it’s hard to escape it). But by and large, the masses in America pretty much know the score. That includes when it comes to social interaction and men and women.
This is also true in England. I have infinitely more respect for the common man in Europe than I do for the so-called upper classes.
I’m basing this on not much interaction with you, but these interactions have been so similar to so many people I’ve known there’s no reason for me not to make a few assumptions.
This is said as a favor: it would behoove you to come down from the height at which you find your horse and see what wallows in the mud. Reality is harder to obscure when you’re not wearing taffeta and silk.
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@Jen,
SINOPERVS
I lived in Asia for a long time. I was pretty integrated. It wasn’t that long ago, either. I worked in media. I speak two Asian languages (one fluently, one passably). I didn’t learn “game” there, but I learned to apply it ruthlessly there and practiced it more than any man should.
I’ll tell you this: You may be wary of Sinopervs in London, but in Asia, where pretty much all the women are, well, Asian, the local opportunities are with Asian women. I sampled widely and deeply. My experience is not incidental. It represents a pretty good, and deep, statistical sample.
Asian women are the *most* gameable women I’ve ever encountered. They respond immediately and aggressively to good game. They need it more than most women I’ve been with. It’s not about who they marry – it’s who they’re sexually attracted to. There’s a significant difference.
It makes a difference when you find women willing to cheat on men they otherwise admire, and “aren’t sure why” they’re doing it. You know; they don’t.
GAME AND WOMEN
I’m not talking about pickup lines, I’m talking about attitude and treatment and behavior. Game isn’t about stupid bar pickup lines.
Good game is class-neutral and culture-neutral. Good game can be adjusted to work in a snanky bar with tattoed sluts out to get drunk and get some hard action AND in elite academic circles where Women Of Taste and Discrimination seek Eligible Men for Appropriate Pairings.
It’s exactly the same. *Only* the tune varies. Your social skills moderate the use of game. All women respond to it. Younger women and women of higher SMV (sexual market value) respond to it more readily. Game applies to all female humans, all the time.
The more women think they’re immune to game, the more susceptible they tend to be. The ones who fall for it hardest are feminists, because they’re disconnected from their ids and can’t see it. Their cognitive dissonance machines and the hamster wheels chug faster than even some insecure teenager’s.
You can call me a cynical old bastard, if 14 years older than you makes me old, then I guess I have to wear the label. But I’m a damned sight less cynical now than I was 15 years ago: I was delusional then.
LOVING WOMEN
I *now* appreciate women more, like them more as human beings, and adore the ones I love more than I ever did. I understand their capriciousness; I don’t blame them for it. I see their ability to delude themselves as charming rather than threatening and infuriating. I find their illusions amusing and useful rather than distracting.
I no longer expect them to behave with fairness or true honesty in mind. I appreciate them on their own terms. I don’t expect them to be men. I don’t expect them to be honorable or understand social rules as I do. I don’t expect logic and abstract reason, but I appreciate it.
I know men can be bastards. But being one, I understand it and feel it. I know what motivates men, by and large, because I am one. I appreciate and understand men.
Women are slightly different. They operate by different rules. Their goals are very different.
EXPECTING RESPECT
I don’t respect women *automatically* the way you seem to think women deserve respect. Neither do I automatically respect men. This is a rational and appropriate way to respond to women.
If you come here and make patently childish statements (as RC so squarely pointed out) and expect to be treated like some precious flower, with kid gloves and respectfully – were you male and if you showed up, you’d be shown the door and slapped around first.
Don’t *expect* respect anywhere because you’re a chick. Or even because you’re respectful. This is not how you introduced yourself here. You jumped in and made statements that weren’t what you yourself would have expected from others. Your cognitive dissonance machine will spin faster and faster to try to dismiss this observation, but you only got what you delivered.
What annoyed you was exactly that. You got what you delivered. You’re not used to it. You’re used to deference.
WOMEN DESERVE NO RESPECT FOR THE MERE FACT OF BEING WOMEN.
The presence of a pussy does not guarantee some kind of chivalrous response.
Chivalry only applied to a certain class and type of woman, who reciprocated chivalry through a given set of behaviors. And the men who were chivalrous to ONE kind of woman were often perfectly happy to beat, oppress and rape a different class. A pure maiden was fine; the skanky ho wasn’t deserving of having your urine spilled on her.
Certainly, in this day and age, if you want EQUALITY you must surrender any notion of SPECIAL RESPECT automatically due to women. You implied that women needed to be respected (for the simple fact that they were women).
Either women are the equals of men or they’re not. Please don’t try to have your cake and eat it too. You don’t see that you’re doing this, but you strongly imply it. I suspect you’re happy to cherry pick and expect equality except when you get something extra from “gentlemen” who “respect” you for the fact of your gender.
There’s a price for getting that extra. You surrender your presumption of equality. This is a major bone of contention for men these days: women expect the benefits of both a traditional view of gender relations AND a modern notion of equality. Of course you want this: Damn, if I could have my cake and eat it too, I’d do it.
But expect some resistance. As you age out and as people who aren’t charmed by your attributes drop into your life, expect to have odd situations that you don’t understand in which you have to suddenly deal with people who dismiss, dislike or diss you for expecting to have your cake and eat it, too. A huge number of these people will be women. While women do it, nobody has contempt for women like other women. The society of women is far more savage than the society of men. Women are unforgiving. They are animals to each other. As a woman in medicine, working with lots of other women and a lot of egos, you’re going to see this every single day. You ma not even notice it – but I guarantee you’ll find men easier to work with, more obliging and more competent than you will the women you work with. Think about that in 10 years.
Equality and chivalry are mutually exclusive, no matter what half-feminists (“equal opportunists”) and fembloggers desire.
Want equality? Be prepared to be treated like one of the boys. Which means:
No kid gloves. We smack each other down, we men, when men deserve it.
Men tend to trust to empiricism and logic and reason and observations. It’s not universal. But there’s a reason science is nearly wholly dominated by men. Same for mechanics and drafting and politics and everything else that requires a systematic understanding of anything.
The difference between men and women is similar to the difference between, say, engineering and medicine on one hand and physics and biology on the other. Women make great doctors, and are often as good as men. Men make far, far better biologists than women do.
WOMEN ARE SUPERIOR AND DESERVE RESPECT
You think you have it all worked out. Your moral codes are clear and ring true to you because I’ll put money on this: You haven’t truly tested them.
Here are some succinct observations you’ve likely never heard before:
1) Women have a “hamster wheel” than can occlude their ability to see the truth. This will hide their own flaws from themselves. It will also disguise the hamster wheel. Once you notice it, you’ll be able to see your own excuse-o-meter running. One female friend noticed this on her own a few years ago. Men, by and large, don’t do this.
2) Women rationalize more than they logically reason. There’s a reason why women seem so irrational to men: It’s not reason, it’s rationalization. Men have been saying this for 3000 years. That’s not male oppression. There’s a genuine difference in the way we think. If most men say this most of the time, odds are there’s something to it. Exceptions merely prove that traits are statistical distributions.
3) The hamster wheel is a cognitive dissonance machine. It hides the fact that there’s a lack of reasoning. It creates an inability to see the flaw. The flaw protects itself from being discovered.
You object to this because your ideology teaches than men and women are equal. IE, they’re the same and deserve the same inherent respect and accommodation all the time. Experience will teach you otherwise when the real world intrudes.
You will find interacting with men easier than with women, for a host of reasons.
Many women don’t follow this as closely. Most do.
Most ooky weird stuff is practiced by women. It’s about Feelings and whatnot.
Agree with the father in politics and the mother in religion. This speaks to basic cognitive differences.
This is just one of the salient observations about women and men that you might have trouble fully absorbing. Maybe you won’t.
Other observations:
Women are more amoral than most men. They have a greater difficulty understanding the concept of “fairness”.
On average, most women are more calculating and more abusive than their male equivalents.
In truth, the “moral superiority” women feel is highly overrated.
Women arrange themselves in selective hierarchies more subtly and more viciously than men.
Women are far more capricious than men.
Women are more status-obsessed and status-conscious than men. Most hierarchies have at their core the pull of ambitious females or access to females.
Women leave relationships more often than men.
Women find it harder to work with or live with their female peers than men working with men.
Women are far better liars – because they’re better at lying to themselves than men are.
Women love for reasons. Men often love for love’s sake. Female love is as capricious and deterministic as their general demeanor. They can turn it off like a switch; men usually can’t.
Basically, women are fundamentally more self-interested. It’s men who devote themselves wholly to causes and sacrifice themselves so completely. Women are rarely fully devoted to anything. The ones who are are very notable exceptions, because of their rarity.
All of this is observable in some other primate species, as well. Women are both more machiavellian and more savage than males, on average. Males are often less calculating and more directly political. However, female chimps, for example, are incredible schemers that make the males look like amateurs.
Males are more capable of pointed, directed and lethal violence; but his usually has a clear purpose and is not usually lethal (the threat of lethality is usually sufficient).
Women are more actively savage and calculatingly self-interested than men on a regular, low-level basis. Which behavioral mode has more impact is debatable.
Both are impressively destructive.
Most of what I just said likely seems absurd to you or deeply offensive. Maybe it’s too easily dismissable. I could be wrong, my observations might be wholly incorrect, sure. But go and take a look at actual social interactions.
I’ve left out subtleties that alter evaluations. Sure. But the world is not what you think it is, given what you’ve said you expect from men and women.
I’ll put money on this: given your responses, you’ve never had any of your assumptions or views seriously challenged. Too many people have deferred to you for that.
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Jen
Game is about a lot more than teach men a few tricks in self confidence. Game is not some small thing. It’s deeply challenging to and rejecting of lots of feminism for example. Not the most basic equal educational and career opportunity feminism, but a lot of the rest of it.
Game is about learning how to be psychosexually dominant with girls in a charming and or edgie and exciting way. Game is neutral on morality; it doesn’t preclude it. As for moral integrity, well congruence of personality is part of game. Higher levels of game involve inner game and inner self improvement. Higher levels of game also involve honesty (though often from a different frame of beliefs than is usual in our post feminist Anglosphere societies).
Game, or certain Chateau/Roissy’s evo psych informed version of it, does counsel men to not have blanket automatic respect for women just because they’re women. Feminists and most women affected by the feminist atmosphere in university educated spheres of Britain and America, certainly don’t have blanket respect for men these days, just because they’re men. Pedestalizing women and automatic white knighting for them hurt one’s alpha attitude and gaming ability generally. That’s not to say game aware alphaish guys don’t respect women who’ve earned their respect. There is though frankly, some considerable tendency for betas first learning some game to find it easier to get their dominance on if they start generally looking down on girls. This does not facilitate high levels of game and gets largely rejected if the guy progresses, but yeah, to be honest, there’s that beginners tendency and it’s probably actually helpful for long pedestalizing betas.
As for considering the sexes to be equal, well sure in basic human worth and rights. However game and evo psych teach guys that by far most girls are most sexually and relationship attracted to men who lead them, and have hand in the relationship. So no, game leads guys away from the feminist notion of perfect gender equalism (which in practice away from feminist generalized cover stories means women really being better than men and should be favored and catered to more than men). Game tells guys to be psychosexually dominant over women they wish to be intimate with, or otherwise strongly attract.
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Jen–
You’re marriage minded at what’s an early age in the Uni educated Anglosphere. That’s good.
You should be looking for a guy who both has the qualities you mentioned, and who sexually excites you, who’s about 10 years older. Very likely a doctor.
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Jen–
Not really. Gross female inequality in a relationship might do that, but women having the upper hand somewhat after awhile tends to breed in wives, if not always contempt, a sense of boredom and loss of interest and love, and in making love to her husband. And a desire to divorce often enough, after awhile.
Chateau style game and gender realism teaches that, and he’s right.
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Jen—
I agree with Gorb’s nah.
Except that there’s a strong argument for not expecting more out of a love match marriage after about 4-6 years than a well done mostly arranged (with veto power) marriage. If the couple is gonna have kids they should stay together at least until their kids become adults and go to university. The wife’s no longer feeling fully “in love” after awhile should not be sufficient reason to divorce when children are involved.
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@Jen
Very, very poor breeding.>
Gentlemen should not be bitchy. It’s very unattractive. Kindly refrain from making assumptions or extrapolating about my personal life and have the decency to stick to the arguments discussed in the hypothetical and philosophical realm without the need to comment about me. I know that’s how you neg and break down women, but it’s really just bitchiness.
Breeding is irrelevant.
Gentlemanliness is irrelevant.
Bitchiness is irrelevant.
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Gorbachev–
I don’t completely agree with this. It’s more true for casual sex which Jen doesn’t seem interested in; it’s less true for LTRs and marriage.
Guys with a good education and a higher status professional type job will tend to want someone who they’re going to present socially as their gf, to have good status too; to not be embassingly low on that. But in US terms a professional or graduate degree isn’t important to guys and if it’s higher level than his own it’s a negative. But her having gone to a pretty good college at least if he’s been to an elite one and works in a career where that matters, tend to be pretty important. I.e. it not being reasonable for other girlfriends or wives to call her a bimbo.
Looks and youth, and after that having a compatible fun and supportive personality are most important in LTRs and marriage, but that’s picking from girls with decent amounts of status compared to him.
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@Doug1,
Your argument makes rational sense. Most men, including good Chinese men, will prioritize a hot girl over a smart, classy girl any day.
I know enough Chinese men, traditional ones who want to make mommy happy and liberal ones who want romance, to know that this is true.
Theoretically, sure. Actually, no.
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Jen–
I notice nowhere in your discussion of what you find attractive in a LTR and potential marriage partner, do talk at all about the guy’s sex appeal to you, or anything of that nature at all. Hmmm. Do you have a very low sex drive?
“Better than” “control” “beneath them” are all feminist, leftist terms. They contain inherent implications that they’re distasteful and at least somewhat immoral. They’re all exaggerations.
The game concepts instead are ” somewhat dominant over her”, “lead her” and “somewhat submissive to him”. Unlike feminism this did not arise in the game community due to a political and social ideology, but rather because it works best as a set of personality behaviors in attracting hot women. Sure there are other things that matter esp. for attracting hot and high status girls into LTRs and marriage such as the guys status, and future earnings potential and looks (esp. height and being fit). But game is what works in terms of personality and psychological strategy.
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Has anyone here had a real (former) slut act fully like a WIL with them?
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Besides Xsplat that is. Heh.
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Wrong thread.
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@Jen
“@The_King – ‘poor breading’ meaning acting ungentleman-like. Mouthing off is just beneath you. The English are all about the stiff upper lip until you implode.
MR DARCY for example, is the epitome of English gentleman. His game was good, but he met his adversary and fell in love. It’s a very funny book. I recommend Austen.
As for my ‘equal’ man, I guess the male equivalent of me, not much of a stretch there? Someone middle class, good relations with his family, educated, professional, could support a family by himself if I decide to have time off to have babies etc. Someone extrovert like me and holds similar values so we will will have similar social circles and get on with each others’ friends. We may have different hobbies and interests, but I think our core values must be the same in order for a long term relationship to work. We’d have independent careers but different roles at home (i.e. my uterus), however, overiding all of this is a MUTUAL sense of respect for each other, so there will never be one of us thinking we’re better than the other. The last clause, is where I think my ideals differ from the game. I worry it gives men too much of an ego boost to only go for women they think they can control and therefore, beneath them, this insecurity/ overdominance only breeds contempt.
Yes, yes, R is your god so you must obey and quote everything he says. What do YOU think about cohabitation before marriage?”
My mistake, actually we sociopaths tend to do poorly on homophones.
Well I am not English, I am an American. Thus I will hold my stance regardless and take no BS from anyone.
I prefer James Bond or Lord Byron. Wouldn’t you say they are gentlemen too? Perhaps a little “misguided?” Nonetheless deserve the title of a gentleman? So is marriage, having kids and settling down requirements for being a gentleman?
I have a question for your ideal mate, what if he knows game really well, but learned it naturally? Would you prefer if he seduced you using natural game or learned game? Does that make a difference in his quality? If the end result is the same… who really cares?
No, R is not my God. How disrespectful, I am a WASP.
My personal stance on marriage is it depends on the cultural context and lifestyle of the individual.
I.E.: If I was raised in a strict Mormon community then I will likely be happily married to a faithful wife. However, if I was a successful professional living in a major city, marriage will be foolish. Since I would have so many options and no incentive I would gain from marriage, I wouldn’t get from long-term relationships. Add to the fact, that with rigged divorce laws and loose morals of Western women it would be gambling with half my assets.
That said, in my scenario, I will likely marry out of political and business necessity. You should try applying the cost-benefit analysis to every relationship.
@Bhetti
Stop trying to ruin my fun and games.
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Gorb—
I wonder how much of this is biological and how much is the license women are given in contemporary Euro derived society, esp. the Anglosphere. I’m sure some of it is biological. But when women fall out of love in relationships and even in marriages it’s treated as a primal force of nature, necessary to respect, and justifying her divorce. When men do particularly in marriages but to a degree even in relationships, it’s treated as their moral failing (“men are dogs”) to have not worked enough on the relationship, and to have not remained committed.
In general in Western societies at least the heart of women is treated as a primal force of nature, requiring deference and to a large degree giving her license to pursue its desires, whereas the desires of men are treated as something they must control and channel in socially approved and moral ways.
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Gents, having skim read your replies, they’re very interesting and normally a conversation I would love to indulge in person. However, since I have to type out replies to all these points, it would mean a late night and I have to get to bed 😦
Erm, I will try and squeeze time out tomorrow to write but have a photoshoot (long story, college fashion show). Will do my best.
In short, seems like you’re telling me I’m onto a rare winner so will try and keep things cool and casual at this early stage and hopefully things will progress.
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Gorb–
I wasn’t reasoning and arguing down rationally from a few basic principles, Whiskey style.
I was making observations from an older than you yes, upper upper middle class and upper class participating and observing point of view.
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@ Firepower – I’ve dated both English and British Chinese guys in the past! Actually, my longest relationship was with an American Hawaiian guy. Mixed English/Chinese also. Erm, it’s not so much ethinicity, more job potential and if he’s a nice, responsible, non-loser guy, which my parents are more concerned about.
@Gorb, Doug, King, working on your responses. Have to meet a friend for dinner soon.
To whomever mentioned my friends, yes the majority of my Chinese friends in London are British Chinese, or American Chinese, or Chinese who have been educated partly in the west and integrated well in society. The overseas Chinese have formed their own sub-ethnic group. In China, we’re know as ‘海归‘. We’re a hybrid of both so not so easy to pigeonhole us. I have received more of a traditional Chinese upbringing than most and very close to my Chinese family, but I prefer conversation with my friends here because we think in a different way to mainland Chinese. I’m grateful to be able to have the best of both.
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I think this thread is dying so my final throughs to wrap up. Very interesting arguments, however I am not sure where I fit into your social construct of attracting the right man without:
a) making less effort with my appearance or
b) being more stupid and biddable.
I’ve dated the arrogant, assertive alpha male before and had to ditch him because he ended up stringing me along whilst also dating a tanned, glamorous PR girl who was more orange and more slutty than me. Fair enough to him, he’s chosen who he can handle more easily. Though he finds me attractive (and still does, judging by some of his recent texts), he is not the guy for me because he prefers a girl who won’t challenge him and will put up with his shit (perhaps like texting me while dating her). I understand that some alphas want a girl to be dependant on him so that she’ll never leave him. I don’t blame him at all.
However, I’ve chosen a career and choose to be educated because medicine is a subject which will stretch me and add value to my life and also allow me to support myself, partly so I have some security – a warning to a guy that I choose to be with him only through choice and not because I ‘need’ him to survive. So he knows he must treat me well because I always have the option to leave if he behaves badly. Notice I said ‘option’ – when I get married, I don’t ever want to get divorced, but I need a card to show him that I’m not one to be taken for granted.
I can’t stand emasculated men who are under the thumb. Grow some f*king balls. I wouldn’t respect a guy who was hen-pecked. SO I need an alpha who isn’t threatened by an educated girl who knows her mind and isn’t afraid to be challenged by her. Therefore, I need some one who’s extra self-assured and confident whilst also eliciting and respectful of my opinions, WITHOUT arrogance or a sense of superiority that I should be with him purely because he’s-the-man-and-earns-more-money-therefore-he-can-do-whatever-he-wants.
So as King suggested, perhaps I should look for a natural alpha, someone who is successful and charismatic but self-assured and humble. A well liked and well rounded man whom people look to automatically for leadership without need for him to assert his dominance. There are very few alphas who don’t realise they’re alphas and let the power trip go to their heads.
I think I need to spot and catch a potential alpha before he before he develops the qualities and insecurties I dislike. Perhaps a young surgeon before he becomes too wayward, or a young entrepreneur before his business becomes highly successful. Haha.
SEE MY STANDARDS ARE NOT TOO HIGH AT ALL, ARE THEY?
OK seriously, I’m not a raging Germaine Greer feminist, I am a balance of modern feminism and traditionalism. I am feminist in that I am grateful for my opportunity to be educated and work in a great job and grateful that I can choose my husband and stand up for my rights not to be abused. However, I am traditional in that a man should be higher earning (otherwise he becomes emasculated) and a woman should prioritise family as equal or above her career (which is why I want dermatology because it allows best of both).
I’m 24, so I hope realising early is to my advantage!
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Jen
If anyone here suggested a) I missed that. You must have gotten that from Gorb’s analogy in comparing game for men with makeup, hair styling and flattering clothes for women. He was suggesting that game was similarly good for men’s success with women, not that women should neglect their appearance. Far from it. This blog stresses the importance of a girl’s looks and youth to men’s attraction to her.
Not more stupid, but less arrogant, with men you want to attract. As for being biddable, yeah in a feisty kind of way, but only with men that pass your shit tests and hence are alpha enough to sexually and emotionally attract you, as well as having good marriage partner qualities such as future income, status, and compatible values.personality.
The real point of adult learned game of the sort this blog promotes is so that guys who have good marriage partner qualities can also develop enough alpha qualities to be sexually and emotionally attracted to hot girls who may also be smart professionals, such as yourself. Or at least game can be and is used in that way as opposed to only carry on many short term flings for a never ending part of the guy’s life.
I think you’re leaving here (for now at least) less hostile to game than you arrived.
You mix of basic feminism and traditionalism sounds attractive, now that you’re less hostile.
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Doug1
That is because society IS women. From the female perspective, that is to their advantage, and therefore that is social reality.
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@Doug
Thanks. I was against the opinions of the blog author because I first came across this blog through the “How To Raise Your Value to a Girl” post which I think promotes a lot of BS behaviour. If a guy tried to sleep with me before buying dinner or played a really cruel trick of changing the venue to make me fret all day, I’d simply think ‘F*k you’, cross him off and ignore him. I think cheap game tricks like that only work on a certain type of girl, one who’s not savvy enough to recognise those kinds of tricks and insecure enough to need approval from men all the time. These kinds of men I can spot through experience but I feel sorry for girls who are more naive and vulnerable.
Perhaps I’ve been used to dating older men so I am a bit seasoned and cynical, but this post and that post in particular I really disagreed with because it seems a very cruel way of getting someone to do what you want. Deprive them and make them suffer and then reward them so they’ll worship you. Kind of bullying their sweet nature.
I hope that not all men who play the game feel they have to act like a bastard to get the girl interested in you. For me, humility and being reliable (like an alpha who calls when he says he’ll call) are traits much more attractive and refreshing. It shows honour and integrity. Perhaps because I’m more husband/father material focused or because I’ve come through the wringer and out the other side so I know the game tricks are just an act and I value the more honourable characteristics now, having experienced the not-so-nice ones.
Anyway, I think game only works on certain types of women. Whether or not it’s the type of woman you want, is up to the individual to decide.
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Gorb, great comment, especially leading from
I think it’s worthwhile to gather all these ideas into one persuasive post.
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now that you’re less hostile.
but not any less delusional about the basic nature of women, with comments like ‘Deprive them and make them suffer and then reward them so they’ll worship you. Kind of bullying their sweet nature.’
from a structural engineering standpoint, i didn’t think it was possible to build a pedestal that high, but there you go.
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@itsme
Hmmm, did you not get the general gist of this original blogpost? Do you not think that some tricks of the game are off the bastard-scale?
Are you a means-to-an-end person or sometimes, do the means not justify the end? Depends on a man’s character and motives. I prefer the latter type who know what they want, know how to get it, but stop themselves short of something they know is cruel.
FYI, a delusion is a fixed, unshakable concept which is proven to be false. If you’d read my comment, you would have known that my basis for my argument was that the game works on women who are slightly insecure and seek men’s approval. Therefore, playing tricks on them is a bit like bullying. Bullies don’t pick on people they think are equal or bigger than them, only weaker. Your refute doesn’t prove my comment is false, just your pettiness.
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@Jen
“game works on women who are slightly insecure and seek men’s approval”
Game is really just a way for men to command some respect in their interactions with women and to not get pushed around by them. That’s how I see it and I don’t consider myself insecure or desperate for men’s approval.
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Jen,
If you are a woman whose self esteem is in line with reality game should not be threatening to you.
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actually, the ONLY girls who need not feel threatened by tight game are the plain girls
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Firepower,
True. Jen, because she is smart, pretty and accomplished, will have countless betas jumping through hoops trying to be with her.
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Maybe Jen wants a beta? Why not? Betas have historically made good husbands. America was built by betas. All you see around you. Look up. Who built the roof over your head? Guarantee you it wasn’t an alpha. The fresh water flowing magically out of your tap? Floyd, the disheveled beta makes that work. My point is, if Jen can provide for herself with her dermatology license, why does she even need an alpha? What she really needs is a beta. And if she does marry an alpha, guarantee you he will cheat on her. I mean, c’mon. Be realistic. A Doctor. In London. A man who makes one million dollars per annum. Do you really believe a man like this won’t get some poon on the side?
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Tim,
I agree. I think Jen would be smart to marry a beta. I did and I have a nice life.
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Tim–
Most doctors in NYC don’t make 1 million/yr. Surgeons working for the NHS in Britain don’t make anywhere near half of that or probably a quarter of it.
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@Tim
“And if she does marry an alpha, guarantee you he will cheat on her. I mean, c’mon. Be realistic. A Doctor. In London.”
Why? Why can’t a surgeon also be a husband with moral integrity? I don’t really care whether he’s alpha or beta by your description, at the end of the day he’s an individual. The important thing is he has moral integrity. Anyway, I trust in H for the moment. He’s asked me out for Saturday night so it’s still on. Perhaps he hasn’t been corrupted by surgery yet. Let’s hope Tim’s wrong.
UK surgeons don’t earn bucketloads at all. They do it for the job and the prestige.
I think it’s necessary for a man to earn more so he avoids making himself feel emasculated (ref. to derm/money comment).
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“If you’d read my comment, you would have known that my basis for my argument was that the game works on women who are slightly insecure and seek men’s approval.”
“However, I’ve chosen a career and choose to be educated because medicine is a subject which will stretch me and add value to my life and also allow me to support myself, partly so I have some security – a warning to a guy that I choose to be with him only through choice and not because I ‘need’ him to survive. So he knows he must treat me well because I always have the option to leave if he behaves badly. Notice I said ‘option’ – when I get married, I don’t ever want to get divorced, but I need a card to show him that I’m not one to be taken for granted.”
I don’t know, I see plenty of insecurity there.
And preselection isn’t men’s approval.
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Nice agree and amplify.
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From the alpha perspective, this is true.
From the beta perspective, the converse is true.
The alphas are regal and default aloof when they are not being intensely engaging and intimate, while their subjects are like eager puppy dogs for attention.
The betas can’t hardly get no attention from the regal females.
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@namae
Well, nothing is guaranteed. Just increasing my options. Wouldn’t want to be stuck in bad marriage too afraid to leave him because I have no other means.
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“However, I’ve chosen a career and choose to be educated because medicine is a subject which will stretch me and add value to my life and also allow me to support myself, partly so I have some security – a warning to a guy that I choose to be with him only through choice and not because I ‘need’ him to survive. So he knows he must treat me well because I always have the option to leave if he behaves badly. Notice I said ‘option’ – when I get married, I don’t ever want to get divorced, but I need a card to show him that I’m not one to be taken for granted.”
Typical female double-talk, and – worst of all – projection.
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@Jen
“game works on women who are slightly insecure and seek men’s approval”
Lol, no actually double LOL … since is there even a woman alive that is, at the very least, “slightly” insecure and does not desire a man’s approval.
So I guess then ‘game’ must not work on the large majority of women who are not merely ‘slightly’ insecure but are quite amply insecure … and highly desirous of male attention (which most women, even the plain-janer’s) gets boatloads of … usually on a daily basis (yet they are still not happy – oy).
This oldie-but-goodie from Roissy explains why –
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/the-problem-with-women-is-too-much-self-esteem/
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Note to all men: if you want to maintain hand, avoid financially independent women.
Note to Jen: what you are not capable of realizing is that dependence and love are closely linked. If you are dependent on your man physically, you are more likely to love him. Love is not just a mysterious emotion – it also has pragmatic underpinnings. We love for reasons. Sometimes financial reasons.
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Oh and Happy International Women’s Day to the ladies! 1911-2011 Centenary
Gents, at least try to resist for as long as you can before you have to give into your urge to neg. Cheers.
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thats pretty much the opposite of what i wrote doll. jen WILL be a success because she wants to marry a wealthy chinese so she can have kids and retire
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“a warning to a guy that I choose to be with him only through choice and not because I ‘need’ him to survive. ”
Substitute guy for gal, guess the correct ‘need’ and we are making some progress.
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Men.
This thread is instructive. A contemporary female like “Jen” is an exemplary monster.
Created by “feminism,” the most sinisterly stupid ideology ever conceived, this female cannot learn new concepts.
It does not matter that many intelligent posters took her with great clarity, and careful patience, through all the steps. Or that along the way she encountered a great quantity of shrewd explanation, choice observation, persuasive rhetoric and undeniable fact.
Reading what she writes in response to these teachers should anger you. Her braindead refusal to absorb the least part of what she’s been taught provides a disgusting spectacle.
See it for what it is.
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Haha, n/a makes me laugh. In short his argument goes:
‘Fuck her opinions. Fuck her arguments. I am man. Therefore, I’m right.’
Basically, everything spoken by a woman is trumped by the penis card.
@n/a if you think so lowly of women, why don’t you do us all a favour and learn how to asexually reproduce? Cheers.
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those guys are just trying to seduce you by mimicking how its traditionally been done in China. You come from a Progressive China home in which your mom rules and those neanerthals just haven’t gotten wise.
Speaking for myself, I never want children, just plenty of time perfecting my technique in making them. in case I meet the Right Girl, of course.
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@Jen
Plenty of women who attended Oxbridge and Ivy League schools constantly play “dumb” to attract worthy men. I would say intelligence is very sexy from 110-160. Over 160 is too high and impede with social or emotional skills. I’m surprised you didn’t find anyone while attending Med school or undergraduate studies, because that’s where most women go to find their potential husbands. Also if you attend the same institution, chances are you have many qualities in common.
But, playing down your intelligence is a smart tactic to play for you, since you already have necessary credentials for your intelligence.
A man place higher importance on family values and feminine qualities if he is looking for marriage. So I would suggest you improve/focus on those during dates.
Or… I suggest..
How to Marry Money by Kevin Doyle
I think that would answer a lot of your concerns and questions. Just make sure you apply the lessons to the UK market since it is based on the US.
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