Reader “Marshy” is becoming the Chateau’s “text guy”. He sent in this example:
A recent conversation from my FB below, names changed to protect the innocent-
Marshy: I would totally fuck you in that wig 😛
Girlie: I look forward to it.
Marshy: I get back in a week, tell your boyfriend to keep you warmed up for me till I get back.
Girlie: I think “he” is out of batteries 😦
Marshy: c=====3
Girlie: 🙂
Marshy: c===============3
Girlie: Wow, someone needs to cum. I’m going to suck you off so awesome when you get back
Marshy: hang in there, lotsa cocka soon
Witty banter is for beginners. Be the caveman on 4chan. He’s real, he says things that amuse him. He farts in bed and hogs the blanket, he makes her feel virtuous and mature by comparison. She lubs him for it.
Long live “lotsa cocka”.
I like the haphazard attention to punctuation. It’s the little details that matter.
Some of you are probably wondering what’s so special about cavemanning a fuckbuddy. She’s already in his sexual orbit. (Men have a lovers orbit, women have a eunuchs orbit.) She’s not going to go anywhere, you may say.
Not so fast. That kind of thinking leads to complacency, and eventually to getting dumped. Game never rests, because female hypergamy never rests, that is until she has fattened up or aged out of options. I’ve witnessed friends lose fuckbuddies because they became romantically enamored with them, ditching the dirty talk for flowers and soft mewlings of love.
Fuckbuddies are an unusual breed of women. Most women, despite what braggadocio “gurus” say, are not down with fuckbuddy status. Now it is possible to string along a woman in a de facto FB zone, but this requires some deft prevarication and stalling. That is advanced game for those men already capable of getting laid with one girl at a time. The other option is to be totally candid with women and tell them they will be infrequent sexual flings, and nothing more. Vanishingly few women will agree to such an arrangement, no matter how much alpha indifference you project.
Generally, high T women — think tomboys, lawyers, Irish maids, strippers, cougars and women with leathery skin, small tits, hairy ass cracks or acne — are more amenable to openly acknowledged FB arrangements. Some of these high T women can be attractive enough to boff, and boy can they fuck like lionesses. The only cuddling you’ll be doing is between her beef drapes.
Marshy is right about being an animal. Women love untamed men, because they love having something to bitch about. A bitching-free life is a boring, drama-free life to a woman, and no woman, no matter how grounded, can survive long without the fever for a flavor of a tingle.
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a fuller post on maintaining a FB holding pattern may be in order. how to coerce them into becoming FB’s and then how to keep them from getting tired of being one. it surely is an art.
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Whether she has a boyfriend or not, it’s an effective tactic to refer to the existence of one in her life if you are a FB. It projects indifference from your side, and implies that someone else needs to assume the other thankless duties in her life, you’re only here to provide the cocka.
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Does “High T” Stand for “High Testosterone”?
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Yes.
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The whole FB thing is extremely rare. For all their whorishness, the ladies often need the illusion of romance.
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I currently have the good fortune of being in a FB relationship that I have managed really well and have had some in the past, and marshy and roissy are spot on. All caveman all asshole all the time is key. If they so much as get a whiff of romance they’re out.
And yes, these types of girls are complete sluts.
Side note: As cheesy as it sounds, sometimes openly setting parameters is key to making the arrangement last.
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It’s things like this that make a lifetime of internet porn seem appealing.
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I had sex with an Irish maid at least once each of 12 years in a row, after we had dated-dated for only a few weeks.
I believe I tied the all-time record for the length of a FB relationship, first set by Bill Clinton with Jennifer Flowers.
I wish I had secrets to share about how others can pull it off, but as best as I can tell, it came down to her loving in on the face and my having warm semen.
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FB’s are the equal of male orbiters for females. The FB’s I’ve had, there’s attraction to me, a stated up front objection to dating the girl by me. YRMV, you may dangle “dates” in front of your girl to string along, you may dub her a drinking buddy, she may just show up at three in the morning after clubbing. So, affection can be doled out as you see fit. I withhold it. Eventually, they will leave which is cool but you’re still friends (girl’s gotta get married, ya know) since there’s never a real break up.
But the common thread seems to me to be a predetermination by me to not date the girl. Hook up a few times, have fun, and then say “I don’t think we got romance going.” I would hypothesize that any girl you dump who you get likes you is potential FB which makes me recall previous peckerwood pinkslip recipients and wonder if …
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In other news… a couple lesbians expect alimony from the sperm donor in germany… what a world… http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/02/28/97001-20110228FILWWW00520-allemagne-un-donneur-de-sperme-piege.php
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I just think farting is gross, I refuse to do it in front of anyone.
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I like that Marshy was brave enough to use an emoticon (the :p in the first message) on a text exchange that would be shown on this blog. He opens himself up to criticism from the amateurs with that, but I think it was the right thing to do.
I bring this up because I think a lot of readers don’t understand that while overuse of emoticons makes you girlie, that doesn’t mean that emoticons are *never* a good idea. They still do have uses, even for an alpha.
So color me impressed that Marshy has the confidence to use his own judgment and not overgeneralize guidelines.
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Emoticons are ok, sparingly, when coupled with terms like “beef drapes” “cokas” and “threeway with your hottoer friend”.
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or ‘cockas’ too.
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Couple of clarifications on Facebook – it’s generally a website where boners go to die, so be smart:
Ignore her wall completely – it’s laced with beta bait. Like most girls, she can’t even post “went for yogurt” without the orbiter patrol trundling out to bombard her with “likes,” pithy comments, date invitations and obscure references to whatever ironic indie shit is floating around at the moment.
Stick to PM’ing her and stay congruent to the frame you chose, whether it be caveman, 4chan troll or incorrigible schoolboy. Lifespan of frame = lifespan of fuckbuddy relationship. In an LTR you keep it evolving and add pieces to the puzzle but the K.I.S.S. method works better for fuxbuddies.
R, you’re dead-on about Irish Milkmaids, but they have very strong hands, what can I say? Type-A lawyer chicks are fun if you’re into the challenge. Basically gotta remember under all that ball-busting shtick is a little schoolgirl waiting to come out. You need to chase her around with dead bugs and pour ice cubes down her back- when you “out-boy” her, she’ll be wearing makeup and waxin’ the ole hoohoodilly in no time.
@ luvsic, you are correct. Every hottie has girlfriends, guyfriends, hairdressers, gay best-ies, her dad, etc. to fulfill the other duties. When you sign your name as “c====3” you are doing what they call “product placement” in marketing. Basically narrow down your scope of work to teasing and cocka as much as you can. Her ego has a whole retinue to tend to it, so let the betas do their thing and you do yours. Good job btw.
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Although women don’t usually agree to labels like “friends with benefits”, much less “fbuddies”, I used to hook up with one woman who said that she didn’t “do labels”.
I managed to ruin things by acting like a big beta pussy with a bad case of oneitis and the scarcity mindset.
Live and learn.
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Question: Are emoticons alpha or beta?
As obvious as you try to make it over texting, sometimes girls just don’t know you’re teasing. I think the only emoticon allowed is the winky face 😉 but I feel on some level it demonstrates neediness and it deflates all of the sexual tension in the conversation.
Part of the dilemma I face is when you first meet a girl, get her number and start texting her, do you go for the the stoic alpha look with no emoticons (and risk she thinks you’re an asshole), or do you go for the friendly banter with lots of winky faces?
Currently, i try to rarely use emoticons but will throw in the occasional winky face if I feel like I’m overgaming the girl. I think it’s been working decent for me, but I’m young so maybe someone else here has more experience with this.
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emoticons are beta when they are used to defuse any tension or ingratiate with the receiver. I think it’s like laughing at your own jokes or smiling too much in person.
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As an Irish-American might I ask what ye mean by the Irish maid? Is it the stocky, red-faced type of Coleen.
Carlos E,
There were similar ruling in UK a few years ago.
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worrying about emoticon usage = beta.
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Leif,
Whatever works for you, but I think that if you’re over 25 the emoticon thing smacks of Charlie Sheen’s-Omega brother in Two and a half men
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Ever noticed how all the male characters except the guy who works at the coffee shop in the “It’s All About You” comic strip behave exactly like women?
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CR–
Not Roissy today. Too much flat footed announcing of intentions.
It’s a very bad idea to propose fuck buddy status early on w/a girl. Instead you maneuver her into that before calling it that or better friends w/benefits. Make it mutual too.
You should never start out telling a girl she’ll be “an infrequent sex fling and nothing more”. That’s just insulting. And it’s the wrong mindset entirely too.
Instead when going that route you respond to her asking stuff like “how do you see what we have between us”, with “I enjoy being with you, I care about you and have fun with you. But I’m not ready right now to get all serious, so soon”. And just keep that up.
However keeping two not to mention three casual LTR things like this up in the air at the same time takes a lot of time and energy. It’s also generally not stable for all that long with any one girl. Girls will peel away after awhile, generally, especially if they’re more good girl types and you’re the only guy they’re seeing.
Friends with benefits or fuck buddies take a lot less time. You don’t really date them. But they basically only work in situations where she’s dating other guys and looking for her soul mate.
What I’ve found has worked sometimes is that after a girl has reluctantly said she has to leave me for not committing enough, or taking it to the next level, and she sticks with that instead of coming back after her bluff, I tell her she’s right, that probably is best for her, though I loved the time we had together. Tell her you understand she wants to go husband hunting even though she hasn’t put it in those terms, but you’re just not ready for that yet, and not sure you will be. Be encouraging. Wish her the best of luck. Encourage her not to settle cause she’s a great girl, a hot and lovely girl. Tell her to keep in touch, as friends, and to let you know how her project hook a hubby is going from time to time.
Then after four to six weeks or so if you haven’t heard from her, text her some evening and tell her to “come over to hang out a bit just as friends, bring takeout, I’ll supply some booze. Well catch up, talk about that project of yours. And maybe watch a netflix together.”
So eat the takeout, ask about her dating progress, be encouraging. Then seduce her. Fuck her good. But keep your distance from her emotionally afterwords and make her keep hers. Tell her it’s just friends now, good friends. Don’t let her get emotionally infatuated w/you again. That’s no longer stable and will lead to her breaking off the fuck buddy thing. Remind her she’s got her hot husband hunting mission. (It’s not in your best interest to encourage her to settle for a greater beta. However if she’s aging out and you care about her, you might want to have a heart.)
Rinse and repeat in two or three weeks. Always say just friends but admit yeah friends with benefits if she brings that up. Tell her it keeps her total partner count down to occasionally have sex w/you instead of getting pumped and dumped by alphas that don’t care about her.
She likely to say she can’t do it any more a few times, esp. if she’s a good or fairly good girl. But if you can keep it at friends level, she’ll often come back after awhile and a dry spell anyway. Until she does find someone she’s hopeful about for a LTR that is, and has good sex w/him. When that doesn’t work out you may well hear from her again.
Of course this only works with some girls. And you’re only gonna want to do it with some ex’s; others are too full of drama. Many just really insist on a fully clean break despite your careful maneuverings. cause they know they’re vulnerable to this and feel they’re gonna fall back in love w/you and get all heartbroken again. That’s why you gotta keep it just friends (with benefits) and HAVE to encourage her looking for and dating other guys.
Another kind of fuck buddy thing that can work is when you pick up a girl who’s got a greater beta bf. Game her and bang her real good. Hook her with hopes that you’re getting into her. But to keep her as a low maintenance FB, when she starts making noises about leaving her bf, let her know you’re not ready to settle down at this stage and you don’t care that she has a bf.
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ex fuck buddy-
Women these days don’t have a problem with acknowledging that they are in a FWB type situation, but the reality is that most of them are only biding their time hoping that you will begin to see them as relationship material. They always throw out subtle and not-so-subtle hints to let you know what they are really after.
The aforementioned Friend with Benefits openly agreed that what we had was “only sex”, but the truth came out immediately after she found out that I boned her best friend when she stopped talking to me for three months.
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RedEmperor
Not rare at all for alphas. Many girls get conditioned to a hook up culture in college.
What is very rare is a girl willing to be just a FB, who’s not dating other guys, or another guy.
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emoticons are way past beta. Every one of them is an herb in a stew of screwup.
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@Leif
I’ve found that if you don’t want to use emoticons but you’re feeling like what you’re about to send can be construed as dickish, begin with a “Ha” before saying whatever you’re gonna say. For some reason doing this will make whatever you’re about to say ok. It sounds weird, but it works.
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Pfui. How low has the great Western civilization sunk.
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I know a lot of people think emoticons are a bad idea, and I to try to keep them down a bit, but I first learned of emoticons from a hot married 28 YO Brazilian chick that I IM’d with who I had met on AdultFriendFinder before it largely became a working site.
She used a ton of emoticons, and I in turn used a ton of emoticons. After a few weeks of feverish IMing including emoticonning, she drove down about an hour to meet me in the middle of an afternoon. When she showed up at my house, she didn’t seem too excited to meet me and soon confided in me over a bottle of wine that she was disappointed that I wasn’t tall.
After no mor than a half-hour, she excused herself to go the car, and, about two minutes later, reappeared at my front door totally naked, in broad daylight, and plain view of about 8 houses. The rest is history, including banging her in my shed and, a couple weeks later, drawing a crowd while she moaned and growned and squeeled at my thrusting in the group room of Miami Velvet swing club.
I use 🙂 instead of lol, and I use 😉 wherever possible instead of 🙂 Other than that, history seems to have demonstrated that I should’t fret too much over the use of emoticons.
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Emoticons are for girls. 🙂 j/k lol WTF haha!!!!
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Cuck–
I’ve got a long comment in moderation on that.
Fuck buddies have to be dating other guys, or another guy, or it generally isn’t stable for long. You best stance is to encourage them in their search for Mr. hot right, who will commit and eventually “take things to the next step”.
Two or three concurrent LTRs are much, much higher maintenance.
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a couple years ago I held this belief that emoticons were o m e g a. Not anymore, it will always depend on context.
I had to screw 100% of my fbook hittings during several months to begin questioning the dogma of emoticons’ betaness
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I guy who I think’s a master at texting game is KrauserPUA. His blog is easy to google under that name.
He does a lot of his texting game on facebook chat.
A stock in trade for him is to do a day game cold approach generally street pickup, get her to hook, some IOIs with day game he’s developed. And then to really solidify that after he get’s her number and facebook, with facebook chat text game.
He publishes lots of these chats on his blog, and usually comments on what he’s doing with each line.
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DirkJohanson
Were she and her husband swingers and he knew about her escapades and had his own, or was she cheating?
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Good Luck Chuck said: The aforementioned Friend with Benefits openly agreed that what we had was “only sex”, but the truth came out immediately after she found out that I boned her best friend when she stopped talking to me for three months.
—Your inflatable doll got mad when you humped your dog?
Poor baby.
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Not extensively field-tested, but I have lately been experimenting with just using a lot of repeated letters in texts, in place of either emoticons or exclamation points, in order to avoid seeming stoic or prickish with a new girl.
Compare:
1)What up slut? 😉
2)What up slut
3)What up slutttt
I could be way off, but to me #1 seems weak (winky face screams insecurity), #2 is a little harsh if she doesn’t know you very well, but #3 is playful and indifferent
[Editor: Yes, 3 is the best.]
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Most women, despite what braggadocio “gurus” say, are not down with fuckbuddy status. Now it is possible to string along a woman in a de facto FB zone, but this requires some deft prevarication and stalling.
True words. The higher the girl’s long-term quality, the less likely she is to remain a de facto fuckbuddy. The talk will come up and you can only dodge it so many times. If she doesn’t bring it up eventually, she’s not good enough for you. But she’s good enough for what you’ve been using her for
emoticons are way past beta. Every one of them is an herb in a stew of screwup.
A few emoticons are acceptable.
We’re all familiar with the phallus and its variations
8===D
I also enjoy sending girls a cumshot to the eye and/or mouth
8==””,=D~~~0;
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@ Doug1
They weren’t swingers – I was the one who turned her on to that – but the night they met, he did her and 4 other chicks at that the same time. He had gone down to Brazil to find a wife.
Somewhere along the way, he couldn’t get it up anymore, and she started cheating like there was no tomorrow. In fact, a couple years before I met her, she ran away with another guy she was cheating with and didn’t call her husband for 10 days, When she finally did, she called from Austria (they lived in the U.S.)!
BTW, your comment, particularly the part about encouraging the FBs in their pursuit of a husband, is gold. In the middle of the 12 years, I almost lost The Streak with the Irish maid when her fiance caught us cheating (I didn’t lose The Streak, but she lost the fiance, the impact on her of which made it more of a struggle for me to keep The Streak going when she got subsequent boyfriends).
I’d also add that, in addition to or as an alternative to offering booze, a good hook is having some blow, but only if the girl is content with just doing a few rails. More than that, and I’d probably just as soon call up a hooker.
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Context is king here.
If early on you’ve established a caveman frame, you need to maintain it.
I have an FB that I always text or IM with “Spank your ass”…
But with other girls I’m banging I have to be a little more circumspect so their ASD don’t go up.
That doesn’t mean the other girls I’m banging don’t bang me senseless.
It means that in my interaction with the girl I”m currently seeing, I save the dirty talk for real life which is where she wants it.
I had the following exchange:
Me: Stuck in airport lounge. Just noticed 7 places we could have sex.
Her: only 7?
Me: Wait. Men’s and women’s bathroom, does that count as one or two?
Her: Two
Me: Ok
Her: Where else?
on it goes….
But the “Spank your ass” I save for the more slutty one.
I also find some girls are more attracted by keeping the sex talk more circumspect. It keeps them guessing.
For the more earthy ones, you need to be more direct.
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What does 4chan mean?
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Urban dictionary’s your friend.
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@collegeslacker and DSExpress
Good stuff. In most cases I’d say “ha” > “winky face”. The couple letters in a row (slutttt) is poon magnet text game.
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Here’s a text exchange I had with a girl last week. We’d had a heavy makeout/dry hump but no sex yet. I sent this during the workday.
Me: So i was thinking
Her: Mhm.. Go on..
Me: I want to wrap your legs up like a pretzel and fuck you til you beg for mercy
Her: O K. WOW. That will be the last time I ask you to tell me what you’re thinking…! What in the..
Are you blacked out right now at work? Haha [she knows I’m a heavy drinker]
Me: Heh
Her: 😉 thinking about me that much huh? Well too bad you can’t take an extended lunch break to come over here and tell me in person
Me: We’ll play hookey some time
[Editor: The “heh” was a good succinct reply that says so much with so little. That’s what sealed the deal in this instance. You didn’t back down or reconsider the propriety of your first text.]
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DirkJohnson–
Going from doing her and 4 other girls in one night, from not being able to get it up, in what can’t be that many years if she was only 28, is some terrible descent.
Damn dude. Viagra. Testosterone injections.
Staying with her after she deserts him w/out contact for 10 days and then calls him from across the ocean is also some descent.
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Rule of thumb:
Use emoticons a third or less than she uses them w/you. At the most.
Use them when you’ve really hooked a girl as comfort, not to hook her with attraction in the first place.
Know that using them with a neg pretty much emasculates the neg, most of the time. They can work for comfort building, or to soften a really harsh neg.
[Editor: Emoticons are generally beta, and should be avoided. There are exceptions of course. If you’re texting a fuckbuddy — that is, a girl you’ve already banged — then a smilie here and there isn’t gonna betafy you.]
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@ Doug1
They had a couple of kids, so I assume that’s part of why he kept her, in combination with the fact that he couldn’t bang anyone else, anyway.
A few weeks after she met me, while I was still banging her, he caught her cheating in a hotel with another guy and was done with her forever. She very soon afterward met and then married yet another guy – tall like she wanted – and moved up north.
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doug,
I had no idea you send and receive text messages. I’ve always thought that was for the under 40 crowd. People in your age group prefer more “human” forms of communication.
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* chic noir crabs at robe and stands in fredrick of hollywood malibu slippers to yell*
someone silence this man….
*chic noir points to Charlesz Martel*
For if you don’t he shall bring hellfire and damnation from the finest e-army that the chateau has ever come across.
Charles don’t you dare utter than word in these parts again.
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Good Luck Chuck–
Well, girls do have a thing about guys there in any way at all territorial about, banging their good friends. I mean even it she had just told said friend “see what an alpha fuck buddy I’ve got. I can get him for sex most any time I want”. When her best friend can too, that sort of blows her out of the water, in girlthink.
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Anyone who says FB is beta is a moron. I’ve dated and slept with a decent number of women from FB who I never friended and in some cases, never met. They saw something alpha I posted on a mutual friend’s post and friended me. I openly lay game to their shit tests, go out with them, make sure the female takes photos and tags me in them. I have fun, why not catalog it?
There’s intense social proof going on there. “Who is this guy” I know their hamster wheels are saying. Plus, these are women who maybe don’t like the bar scene, are sitting at home lonely and horny and watching porn all night.
You’re missing out on it.
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FB = Facebook in my case*
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I’ve generally found that the nastiest, dirtiest description in one line of what I want to do to her does the trick nicely. It also works as a test on girls you’ve fucked nastily (and you should always fuck nastily) but don’t know if they’re the type that gets uppity and proper when not in the bed room/in “relationship” mode.
If they respond like a head case, avoid unless they apologize. If they’re like “hell yeah!” you have now just created a fuck buddy.
Me: “I’m going to fuck you like a 3 dollar whore who tried to steal my wallet.”
“I’m going to bathe your face in my cum tonight.”
“Get over here. I’m horny.”
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Anyone who says FB is beta is a moron
The idea of social networks is itself beta. But given that everyone else is in facebook, then the world itself became more beta. So the “alpha threshold” was lowered.
Think about it, how would a peacock like Mystery fare in Scandinavia around 1000 AD ??
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It’s beta to send in cop
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Chic Noir–
The girls I’ve picked up, dated and lived with haven’t been in my age group for a long time Chic.
Besides everyone at my work uses text a lot for work. Well some of the dinosaurs might not much but I’m not that type atall.
I text and chat a good lot.
Plus I’ve always tended to be on top of the personal technology curve, just a bit behind the leading edge when some of the early wrinkles have been ironed out.
Not into twitter so far though. Have an account be ehhh. Or facebook that much, though I do use the later some. It seems a huge and superficial time sink to me that yeah is heavily about chicks attention whoring.
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Whether Facebook or emoticons are beta, I leave for others to judge. But I think we can all agree that the man in this article is the height of beta.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361529/Jailed-The-soldiers-cheating-wife-claimed-raped-cover-pregnancy-husband-Afghanistan.html
To summarise: UK soldier in Afghanistan is
betrayed by whorish wife. She gets knocked up by lover. Falsely claims she was raped by two innocent men and gets found out. And when
she’s sentenced to 12 months for perjury, who’s
standing loyally by her side? Soldier boy.
Pity Beta of the Month is no longer running
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gig:
Think about it, how would a peacock like Mystery fare in Scandinavia around 1000 AD ??
if you had a time machine? not too well.
if he’d been born and raised in the same environment? he’d simply have become something else. one thing you’ve got to give the guy is that he’s mentally flexible.
… although he consistently underestimates the proportion of his success that comes from being 2m tall (i.e. probably most of it)
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A.B. Dada
Yeah I’m starting to see this about Facebook. I mean by hearing stuff like you say here.
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Facebook can be very useful for college game at least. I once deleted mine only to later realize how useful it had been to me. Then I remade it and crafted a solid little strategy that’s been working well. Facebook= neither beta nor alpha on it’s own, it’s all about how you use it.
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Doug1:
I’ve been on there for years, mostly because it’s about the only way to keep track of my family. But then the friend requests started coming in, and it didn’t take long to see that the typical beta guys were all whining and crap constantly about work/women/money/whatever. Me? I post photos of me on a horses, or at a bar with 3 7-8’s hugging me. I always allow tags on photos, even if they’re bad photos of me, because it shows tons of social proof. Me on a boat, me in Asia, it sets a new standard. The other guys are all in a room with 15 dudes playing X-Box, and I’m sitting on a cruise with a few bikini clad women surrounding me.
That being said, I almost NEVER “Like” or comment on a broad’s status updates, unless it’s the ugly friend of a hot gal. That gets their hamster wheels spinning non-stop.
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@collegeslacker: It’s a secondary tool, no different than a vintage 80s T-shirt or a nice watch. You don’t NEED those tools, but anything that can be used to raise eyebrows (and get the mystery mind clicking) shouldn’t be tossed to the side.
Then again, I’d say 95% of dudes on Fbook are schmucks. I spent a solid month in January copying and pasting idiotic Fbook status messages from dudes in my friends list, and you can’t believe the crap the guys say.
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doug Not into twitter so far though. Have an account be ehhh.
Yeah twitter is very boring.
most people aren’t very interesting, even those who you think would be. Twitter has really made me see that most human beings are on the same level when it really comes down to it.
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I had my pictures stolen on facebook. Someone took my pictures and made another profile of me.
*shrugs shoulders like whiskey*
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she sounds like a complete whore, and we don’t know what she looks like. is fucking women like this really something to brag about, or to bother using “game” for? I got tired of fucking disease ridden, cheating whores in my early twenties. It’s quality that counts.
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It’s like clothing: You pick an age appropriate medium. A college guy uses facebook, and emoticon everything, and wear Ed Hardy t shirts. And it works and he lands poon, because it all comes natural to him.
But an older guy shouldn’t use emoticons, any more than he should prance around with a baseball cap turned backwards. Instead he suits up, Don Draper style, and gives the Internet a miss. And that works too
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in other words, women that whorish are almost never above a 5 or 6 in looks, so he could’ve texted any gay shit and still fucked her because she’s trash
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begby:
women that whorish are almost never above a 5 or 6 in looks
sir,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect
i hope this is a joke… if it’s not, please get out more.
the venn diagram of “hottest women i know” and “sluttiest women i know” has a sizable intersection. mostly because those are precisely the women for whom the sluttiness has zero negative repercussions
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@ Begby You been done fucking the wrong whorish chicks.
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I’ve rarely met a hot chick who would stay with a boyfriend who “ran out of batteries”. Instead, if she was worth something, she would dump his ass and go fuck other guys. What does it tell you if her boyfriend doesn’t even want to fuck her anymore?
Not saying hot girls aren’t sluts, but that they rarely cheat on boyfriends with dudes that use jr. high text “game”.
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Emoticons, Facebook, opening doors for a girl, giving her a bath, none of these things are Alpha or Beta, it’s how you do them.
Just ask yourself:
“If I was preselected out the ass, like I just came from a threesome 20 minutes ago, how would I talk to this girl right in front of me?”
I’d have fun, for my sake, amusing myself…pissing her off. I’d dare her to reject me, I’d anti-try.
Sometimes doing something preposterously ballsy and over-the-top is a more sure bet than doing something only kinda ballsy. Its like when comedians do something once – it’s funny, but if they do it twice, it’s less funny.
If they do it a hundred times though, its fucking hilarious.
The whole point of the conversation is to illustrate how stupid shit off the top of your head is the way to go because it comes from your hindbrain, same principle as the 3-second rule. If you give your neocortex (or hers) a chance to catch up, overanalysing will follow and you’re fucked. That’s how you become an armchain alpha.
Remember when we were in school taking those standardized tests where you fill in the bubbles on the scantron? Your instincts told you the answer was A but then you started getting too clever and rationalized why the answer was B so you got out the eraser and changed it.
You were right the first time. Don’t filter youself, let her have it raw, see what you can get away with.
BTW: Calibrate, calibrate, calibrate!!! Get too goofy and you’re her dancing monkey, next stop LJBF town. Know when to keep your fucking foot out of your mouth.
Duh
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Hahaha, I dated an alpha Banker like this. He is now with a simpler, glamorous, tanned, trophy girlfriend. I don’t blame him, she is much more biddable than me.
Recently we were texted, things got a little euphemistic and out of the blue he said I gave him the best BJ he ever had. I was not impressed by this. I sent a cock-block text back. His girlfriend is a lucky girl.
The bf of the girl in the post above is a poor fool. He needs to ditch her and find someone better. She will probably make him miserable and give him lots of diseases.
Why does PUA want a girl someone else is screwing? I thought PUAs preferred virgins?
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Hi everyone
An acquaintance who i number closed 2 days earlier msg me this on facebook
HER: Hey, ladies night at [Club A] this wed? 🙂
Not wanting to jump into her hoop i replied
ME: [Club B] come :]
HER: nah, i usually go to [Club A]
How do i reply her from here?
[Editor: She’s calling your bluff. Reply: “alright have fun”. 50/50 odds she’ll change her mind or offer another time.]
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Maybe you should try fucking a woman who doesn’t give a damn about you. Your problem and whoever your text message shit is from is that you go for women who actually care if you want to fuck them/like them/whatever. And if a woman cares about how you feel about them, its much different from if she actually likes you in whatever way.
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The whole point of the conversation is to illustrate how stupid shit off the top of your head is the way to go because it comes from your hindbrain, same principle as the 3-second rule. If you give your neocortex (or hers) a chance to catch up, overanalysing will follow and you’re fucked. That’s how you become an armchain alpha.
Sounds like getting inside the OODA loop…
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“Why does PUA want a girl someone else is screwing? I thought PUAs preferred virgins?”
I don’t want a virgin, but I think it’s fucking disgusting and low-value and omega to be fucking a girl that some other dude just noodled the night before. I don’t like sharing and I don’t like diseases. But hey, that’s just me, this younger generation are a bunch of desperate twats that don’t seem to care about that shit.
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begby
I don’t want a virgin, but I think it’s fucking disgusting and low-value and omega to be fucking a girl that some other dude just noodled the night before. I don’t like sharing and I don’t like diseases. But hey, that’s just me, this younger generation are a bunch of desperate twats that don’t seem to care about that shit.
no, this wording doesn’t suggest at all that you’re a bitter poser.
not at all.
(so then, by extension, you would say that rock stars, nba players, etc. who pass around groupies after the game/concert are all 0megas? hmmmm)
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“I think “he” is out of batteries :(”
She’s talking about her vibrator, retards.
There is no boyfriend, I pulled it out of my ass to give things a bit of the “forbidden” sizzle.
Fucking an alpha is hotter if there is a beta to cuckold, so make one up. I joke to girls about my “mail order Russian bride chained to the stove” all the time.
PS. Best smiley is the sad winky face
;(
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Miss Cynic
When you say you were not impressed by him stating you gave a great BJ, was that because you know your BJs are actually 2nd rate and so he must be a dweeb for not knowing better? Help us understand why you were repulsed by what seems like a rather nice compliment. Would have felt better if he had said, “And by the way, your BJs sucked…”
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Enigma, forget the club and ask her out to dinner.
Begby, I’m glad to see some standards! Marshy is rather distasteful.
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Alexandra, I wasn’t impressed because he has a girlfriend and it was inappropriate for him to say that. I’m not reducing myself to being a sex text mistress to a Banker with an orange girlfriend because he’s not manly enough to handle a girl who has her own opinion and calls him up on his shit.
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“She’s talking about her vibrator, retards.
There is no boyfriend, I pulled it out of my ass to give things a bit of the “forbidden” sizzle. ”
talk about unintended meanings lolz
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Miss Cynic
I miss my alpha lover a lot myself. Sigh…
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hey I’m not trying to be the morality police, I just think a true alpha has harems of girls that are committed to only him, while he remains committed to no one. Otherwise, you’re not alpha, you are just fucking a whore. By definition, a whore will fuck nearly anyone. Get it?
And because a bunch of nba niggers and nerdy rock stars that never got laid in high school do it, doesn’t mean I want to.
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“Marshy: I get back in a week, tell your boyfriend to keep you warmed up for me till I get back.
Girlie: I think “he” is out of batteries :(”
You asked about the boyfriend before she mentioned the batteries.
Marshy, did you make this all up? Why would presume there was a boyfriend when you didn’t know if there was? Also, men don’t send emoticons of their dick, they just send a photo of their dick. There’s always one to hand.
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Argh, no Alexandra, you do will move on and find someone better. You can make the guy regret you were the ‘one who got away’ when you’re happily married with children at 30 and he’s still out sleeping with 19 yr olds leading a meanlingless sexual existence, life is so much more than lovers.x
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Begby, sour grapes much… Where you are right, though, this is clearly already done deal and you could say pretty much anything, hell he could’ve went with “srsly tho…” line. Marshy, you presumably (FB?) already had your dick in all her holes and her doing unspeakable things and yet you’re proud you “gamed” her to fuck you again by texting lotsa cocka. Overgaming. And watch out for overinvesting. “Be that guy”.
And can you guys lay off ghey ass cock smileys? I mean fine, it works on chicks, but it’s disgusting.
“sluttt” sounds gold, definitely will try.
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@ namae nanka
A vibrating dildo in the ass can be a great peacocking accessory when used correctly. It helps maintain state control and can keep you relaxed when you’re dropping megaton negs on HB10’s.
Also comes in handy for dispersing AMOGs and would-be cockblocks, especially if you had chilli that day.
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@ last tango
No argument here, but as Roissy pointed out, it’s about keeping that special romance alive. Thanks for the heads-up though, I do tend to get carried away.
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@A.B. Dada
Facebook game is almost all about not being like those 95% of the dudes you describe.
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@Doug1
“Not into twitter so far though. Have an account be ehhh. Or facebook that much, though I do use the later some. It seems a huge and superficial time sink to me that yeah is heavily about chicks attention whoring.”
I’m with you Doug. I’m way too private. Hey, to each his own. ha!
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Last girl I tried to bag (sunday)
ME: yo
no reply for 2 hours
CUMDUMPSTER: helloo there 🙂
20 min later
ME: what’re doing
end conversation
Swing and miss. I knew that girl was into me a while back, but back then I got no kitty and was really nervous and awkward when she tried to touch me. But now after absorbing every word in this blog, I am able to expand my testicle empire and cheat on my bottom bitch. This blunder confuses me a bit, no sure how I could have repelled her…?
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alexandra Would have felt better if he had said, “And by the way, your BJs sucked…”
*DEAD FAINT*
Pun intended?
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Chic Noir
Punny things just seem to happen in my life. By the way, your picture makes me have these strange electric tingles, you know, down there. I was with a girl once. OK, more than once. You have a web cam?
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I’m going to call bullshit on that, dude. I’m guessing that you’ve never actually fucked any woman that you didn’t pay, not with bs porno lines like that.
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JR
Titus Pullo, Roman Legionaire, was once asked, “Have you ever had a woman that wasn’t crying or expecting to be paid?”
There. Thats better.
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chic noirbuttox,
You’re in luck! My Buttox are full of gas and ready!….
Hurry up and get here, or you will miss your favorite part – the release of gas!!
After that, it will be your privilege and honor to….
Detox my Buttox.
Since it is spring, you will be using a lavender essence this time.
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lozzolozlozlzlzl!
da gbfm patenteed and trademarked and copyrighted the term lotsa cockas!!!!!
zlzlozlzlzozzloz
i started this lotsa cocka shit
and this the mother fukcin repsonse i get?
zlzolzlzozoz
http://www.xtranormal.com/site_media/players/jwplayer.swfhttp://www.xtranormal.com/site_media/players/embedded-xnl-stats.swf
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here’s da link!!!!
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7936021/
losta cockas for the ladies, teh ladies!!!
roissy and gbfm conferring on lostsa cockasks zlzozlzlz
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no alexandra I don’t and you are very cute. You’ve made my night lol.
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i starteed dis lostas lotsa cocka shit
and this the motherfuckin respect i get?
lzozolzlozlllozzoolz
gbfm movie with roissy talking losta cockas 4 da ladies!!!
xtranormal.com/watch/7936021/
lzozozlzz
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Chic Noir
I am pretty sure “Alexandra” is an ex of mine. She was pretty hot, if I am remembering the right one…
Anyway, if you ever get a web cam, check her out. She may or may not still be making her living that way; but it would still be all right by me.
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I’m over 40 and have never sent a text message. While realizing that it’s almost indispensable for game and such nowadays, I’ve never wanted to start with it, despite how much “easier” it makes things. Always thought that being untethered works much better, and its just one less annoyance to deal with.
Being on beck and call with a simple cell phone is bad enough.
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Why does PUA want a girl someone else is screwing? I thought PUAs preferred virgins?
There’s your problem right there…you “thought”.
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So funny and so true
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Miss Cynic sounds like an absolute joy to be around.
Nah, please slit your wrists in a warm bath.
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FYI, Kay Hymowitz is calling out Roissy and others on “Why are Men Angry. Her conclusion? Men are icky and stupid:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/
Because of course women are perfect and faultless in every way.
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chic noirbuttox,
My Buttox are full of gas and ready to go!!!!!
……(wait for it, wait for it)……..
OOOOOOOOOOooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Now, it shall be your pleasure to :
Detox my Buttox.
Alexandra,
You next.
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Just tie her up so that he cervix is exposed and un-protected
You can trust me… I am not the others.
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Kay Hymonitz mentions you (and MGTOW) in this post at Daily Beast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/
Here’s my response to her initial article at WSJ:
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/02/feminists-caused-lack-of-good-men.html
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dear chateau–
i txtd a gal ‘naughty u..can’t wait to see u in some tiny lacy….’
few minutes later she replies
‘Sorry only my guy can see that and that position is already taken…..’
i know its a shit test but what should i tell her back?
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8=====D EMOTIPENIS WINS. FLAWLESS VICTORY
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What is a good way to keep an FB in that position? It usually takes about threes months of hard work on their part and hemming and hawing on my part before they break me down, but eventually they’ll wind up getting me to fall into the boyfriend trap. What’s a good way to avoid this?
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Runkle
Treat them like a cat. and truly, truly don’t care
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@ ritmo rioplatense
Agreed. Height is highly underestimated around here as a component of male game. I guess most people here were raised in non-diverse environments in which everybody had the same height so it was not a factor
[Editor: Mystery claims he was awful with women in high school and a bit beyond, which is why he turned to game.
But, yeah, height is a big plus for men and the fact that he’s 6’7″ or something can’t be dismissed out of hand as part of the reason for his success. Otoh, Style did equally well with women and he’s short.]
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@ Ben Runkle: You can’t be too cocky, even with an FB. All alphas know that moments of surprise tenderness are what stave off the final judgment of assholeness. Not just in sex, but in business, family, friendship.
It’s amazing what a glimpse of niceness can do in a woman’s head. That’s what they cling to when their alpha-attraction starts to get shaky. I’m not saying be beta 10% of the time, but practice how to throw in moments of “sincerity.” She’ll think she’s breaking down your walls and even defend you to her friends.
I usually prefer those moments to be flashes in the pan. You’re railing her like a hot knife through butter, and randomly slow down, look into her eyes, stop the pounding and touch her cheek. Then back to railing. Or tell her to get you a beer, and when she brings it to you, give it to her and then get up and get your own. Do this rarely and immediately pop back into aloof mode.
Hints of sincerity and tenderness, not proof.
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Women agreeing (by participation) to be f buddies sooooo decreases the value of female sex. I wish us ladies could band together and agree to collectively hold out for the sake of, I don’t know, all or most of us being able to find good, strong men for real commitments.
Never understood the appeal of being the f buddy… getting an ‘alpha’ (or beta) for that matter to use you for a couple hours is worthless… yet I think lots of women take that attention as a sign of their worth. lol… not when he can go and do the same with your girlfriend or neighbor.
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(The Real) Dreamer–
You’re the one we’ll fall in love with, and really commit to, Dreamer.
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@Doug1
(The Real) Dreamer–
You’re the one we’ll fall in love with, and really commit to, Dreamer.
Good one, Doug1.
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I dunno, I’ve seen some pretty weird text game on the part of some females myself. Had one overweight broad texting me that she was off to bed, tired, getting under the sheets and was ‘touching’ herself. lol. blech.
I’ve had a kiwi broad that I shagged whilst I was in another relationship offer me the f*ck buddy role if I wanted it, for the duration of her stay in my country. That all came from aloofness. I simply ignored her and she initiated sex. I ignored her after that and that’s when the offer came.
There’s plenty of slutty womyn (usually feminists) that are completely comfortable with putting themselves in the f*ck buddy role in my experience.
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Has anyone used the OKCupid tips on making good profile photos?
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/
They suggest males look away from the camera and dont smile.
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i hope this is a joke… if it’s not, please get out more.
the venn diagram of “hottest women i know” and “sluttiest women i know” has a sizable intersection. mostly because those are precisely the women for whom the sluttiness has zero negative repercussions.
Don’t get carreid away there Ritmo
All things being equal… hot chicks are gonna be able to get away with more partners than ugly chicks, but no dude with options is standing in line for a LTR with a slut even if she is good looking.
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@Ben Runkle
Have more than one.
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I wish us ladies could band together and agree to collectively hold out for the sake of, I don’t know, all or most of us being able to find good, strong men for real commitments.
it’s only been fifty or so years since women banded together and decided that they didn’t really need men any more, isn’t it a little too soon for y’all to correct this mistake? i mean, isn’t the whole point of humanity to see how far and for how long we can upset the balance of nature?
as an individual, though, you can certain hold out for a good strong man for a real commitment, but you can only be successful if you are the kind of real woman that this kind of man wants. and this kind of woman is a rarity in the anglosphere.
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@(The Real) Dreamer
Women agreeing (by participation) to be f buddies sooooo decreases the value of female sex.
Not really. The FB relationship is actually a decent compromise to the issue of sexual cost/availability. Most FB girls don’t get a new cock in them every Friday night. They get routine sex, but with out a devaluing partner count. Contrast this with the cock carousel habits of sluts and you’ll see the real “culprit”.
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8=======D
Bring da moviez
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” I wish us ladies could band together and agree to collectively hold out for the sake of, I don’t know, all or most of us being able to find good, strong men for real commitments.”
Incredibly wishful thinking. First, too many females have commonized sex by their casual attitude toward it that it might as well be in the same category as defecation. Next, with any coordinated efforts to stick together, just how long do you think it’d be before enough females start rolling over on one another. Don’t know what your experience with female friendships has been. But if I’d have agreed to such a pact, I’d have ended up an old spinster. Because by the time I’d have realized all the other girls were jumping ship, there’d only be omegas left. And I don’t need male companionship THAT badly.
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Mystery may have been really skinny in high school and when he filled out a little he looked better. I’m sure learning game was part of it too.
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Style interviewed rockers for Rolling Stone – and had a cool Hollywood Hills manse to dhv himself.
[Editor: The RS gig could have been helpful, but according to Style he didn’t know how to convert his naturally DHV job into lays. Also, Style was borderline buttugly before he remade his image into something palatable during the early game years, which makes his pickup success much more impressive than Mystery’s.
The “mansion” aka bachelor flophouse was a small DHV. Nothing too impressive there. Chicks don’t feel attraction for glorfied frat houses.
Of course, now that Style is swimming in cash and quasi-fame, he no longer needs much hardcore game.]
Short v Tall is not paramount when comparing lay rates of a Center to a point guard, or a short Roger Daltrey v a tall Pete Townsend.
[Fame trumps height, by a country mile. Lead singers > guitarists.]
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I have no idea how to maintain a FB relationship with an attached women as the idea of pussy that’s recently spooged by someone else is repulsive.
Within that parameter FBs will almost always be fleeting. I’m 50 and already have kids and do not want more. So with younger and childless women, after bedding I bring in long term incompatibility framing. I don’t want her to waste her precious fertility years on me. But if you’re not doing anything Wed come over and watch a movie.
For older or women that might think we are long term compatible I make up plans to move out of state soon.
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Not the Project Hollywood/Dean Martin commune one – the place Style had (all along..?) in that pua DVD series he ran. The one with his rocker/guitarist blond gf.
[Editor: I thought the swank pad from which he runs his seminars was bought predominantly from the money made off The Game?
Style’s life can be bisected into two distinct phases — pre-money and fame and post-same. Before The Game, Style was a legit source of tried and true game knowledge. Using that as a metric, any self-professed new guru with post-The Game Style’s money and fame who claimed to have the one true method would rightly be taken with a grain of salt by most men.]
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I’d have to thumb thru the ton of pages to verify the clue where he used the massage/threesome gambit, in The Swank Pad or someplace else iirc.
The swank pad purchase is hard to pin down, as is much of the hushed “finances” in the book.
I had understood he got much from the DVD series, and the gf on camera presumes he got the pad before the DVD profits; still, the book should account for a large portion as he had the NYC publishing experience to get a good deal.
Finding out his money/fame timeline would be interesting.
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But, yeah, height is a big plus for men and the fact that he’s 6’7″ or something can’t be dismissed out of hand as part of the reason for his success. Otoh, Style did equally well with women and he’s short.
Men punching above their weight wrt chicks are everywhere and they are probably the greatest argument in favor of the existence of game and the frivolity of girls
yet my point remains. The game comunity tends to underestimate the importance of a man’s appearance, which is right for every aspect of it except height.
Walking erect, with your column straight, gives conifdence because it increases you height, mostly.
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HEY ROSISISYSYSYS!!!
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you need ot chasola in!!!
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Would appreciate a fuller post on how to keep FWBs successfully in orbit with all the different permutations (i.e. more than one, converted friends into FWB, the acknowledged/unacknowledged state of the relationship, and how to do it while in an LTR).
My current situation: in an LTR, have had multiple, ongoing FWBs with girls of various acquaintance that have sundered either by them finding out I have a GF or by my GF finding out about them.
Also, maybe I’m slumming it, but I find girls in the 5 range much easier to maintain in long term FWB status. My GF is prob a 7.5 (8 if you like thin, blonde WASP types as I do) and my last remaining FWB is a plain 5. she’s thin and she loves to fuck, and i try to keep my visits to her to twice a month. There are other girls who are interested, but they either 1) wouldn’t be interested if they knew I had a GF or 2) know I have a GF and I can’t figure out how to get them in position, so to speak, without high risk of damage to my social rep. The GF is not down with MLTRs. The few times she’s caught me I’ve had to employ a mix of beta and alpha responses to patch things up, and my nine lives are running out. Need strategy.
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_beta_dude
February 24 at 2:27pm
hey, I was curious how the M.R.I went Tuesday, i meant to ask you last-night. Hopefully we can hang out next week sometime, maybe go for a walk if the weather and your busy schedule permits.
girl
_chick_
hey sorry i have been so busy i get so swamped when I am out of the office and I was out 3 days last week and 2.5 days this week it is silly and I am out again 3 days next week. the MRI went well thank you. we will find out the results on Tuesday. I hope we can meet up ealy next week!
_beta dude_
February 27 at 2:07am
Early next week, meaning Monday or Tuesday? Monday i have school until 930pm and Tuesday I have school until 430. Is there anything in particular you would like to do? If not I can think of something; a simple walk in a park and seeing your beautiful smile would be nice
_chick_
I can not meet up tomorrow night I work late sorry! I am really busy I am sorry!! Maybe we can meet up when I get back I go to VA then Columbia. But maybe next week.
_beta Dude_
February 28 at 5:31pm
Ohh mann i wanted to kiss you. lol, I know you’re a busy woman. Contact me whenever you want to hang out/talk. Have a safe trip
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to be succint, short guys and even ugly guys can overcome their shortness/ugliness through game, but the bar is set much lower for tall guys.
Height is game, yet given this head-start, tall guys tend to be more complacent while short guys are forced into game. There is a “Napoleon Effect” pushing short guys to overcome their physical caveat
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THE LOTSA COCKAS TOUR
starring ROISSY & GBFM lzozozlzlzlozozoz
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i would warm up the mic at barnes an nobles lzozlzl for like fifteen minuets reaidng my greatest hists andthen da roissy man would ocme in to take da mic wearing sungleasses zlzozlzlzozolzzozoz
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JT
Get a vasectomy so you don’t get oopsed, especially since you date girls past 30 sometimes at least.
If the girl who’s broken up with you in a somewhat or more than that heartbroken way, cause you won’t commit and take things to the next step, is quite a good girl type, turning her into your FB can work out in ways you probably wouldn’t find repulsive.
That is, yeah she’s looking for her hot soul mate who will commit and give her marriage and babies down the road, and dating some, but she it’s putting out that much at all, cause she’s real picky and a good girl. She’s your FB in part because she want’s to keep her number count and callousness down, and you’re a “sunk cost”.
To underscore to her emotionally that it’s friends with benefits now rather than resumed full fledged lovers, it really helps to inquire about and be supportive of her mate search project, while encouraging her to maintain her high standards.
So in other words in theory she’s banging other guys in her husband search mission, but in practice not much. If she’s a good girl type she’ll stop or interrupt being your fb during periods when she is trying another guy she’s hopeful about, on for size as a LTR.
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key psychological issues: “intoleance of boredom”, “high risk threshold”, “impulsive”, “seeking challenge”, “short-term mindset”, “high instability”.
write texts accordingly.
single hot females over 23 are a self-selected group who CHOOSE to be sluts because they like it and they like drama. They CHOOSE shitty boyfriends because they can’t see the future of their personal lives. They rationalize an empty cock carousel lifestyle.
Any hot chick over 23 in a big city has met a dozen polite suitors better than you… by definition they have all failed because she remains single. Ergo, she’s not buying the gentleman routine.
Any 23 year old engaged hot chick is quite the opposite. She has rejected options for a relationship. It is the classic madonna / whore scenario. Hot single girls are ADD / self-destructive basketcases, girls engaged, etc.. are much more mentally fit. Biography = psychology.
Roissy’s techniques sound bizarre, but they are more rational when you consider the target audience who demands drama and has forcefully rejected mature relationships.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=hook+up&x=0&y=0
From Publishers Weekly
Savvy singles Lavinthal and Rozler have come of age in an era when decorous dating has ceded to the “hookup”: an impulsive sexual encounter often fueled by alcohol, executed after midnight and not necessarily pursued any further the day after. Their droll primer to the new era, which turns The Rules on its head, addresses the experiences of 20-something singles charting the murky territory of the hookup-with older guys, younger guys, metrosexuals, co-workers, old friends and anyone else in their social orbit or local bar. After pinpointing the cultural enablers of hooking up-including the cell phone, a logistic essential for on-the-fly encounters, and the Too-Busy-to-Have-a-Boyfriend Syndrome common among ambitious working girls-the authors proffer wry advice on the subtext of booty calls and the hookup-friendly pad (e.g., no framed photos of your cat). They also help singletons allay their “Are-you-my-boyfriend?” angst by providing helpful markers of men’s intentions (if he asks to see a wine list, it’s a date; if he asks which shot you want, it’s a hookup). Written with a breezy bluntness, this handbook seems to be of two minds about the volatile and drama-heavy hookup: ticking off its baggage-free perks while sardonically cautioning against the “obsessive agony” and drunken desolation it may wreak. The frothy layout and fun pop quizzes (“How shameful was your walk of shame?”) may not tackle the hookup’s long-term impact on romance, but Lavinthal and Rozler’s knowing allusions will have readers squealing in delighted recognition.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
Product Description
Dating is a thing of the past, gone the way of dinosaurs and stirrup pants. It’s extinct. Kaput. Over. It’s given way to two mighty opponents: In one corner, wearing matching sweats and cuddling up to DVDs every Friday night, we have the Serious Couple. In the other corner, armed with open bar tabs and clad in his-and-hers Seven jeans, the Hookup. By the looks of things, for the millions of people who bravely head out each night in search of this wily conquest, the Hookup is the new heavyweight champion — and hooking up is here to stay.
In The Hookup Handbook, Andrea Lavinthal and Jessica Rozler have braved the hookup trenches to bring you the essential guide to the new, nondating game — from the players and locations to the long walk of shame home.
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Gregor—
The best approach is to never promise sexual fidelity in the first place. It’s hard to take back. Don’t make an issue of not being exclusively commitment but just answer stuff from a frame that while you dig your main girl, like spending time with her and doing stuff together, you’re not ready to get all serious and completely settle down.
When she asks, “am I your girlfriend now?” she’s really asking “do you promise to only be sexual with me”. So answer “you’re a girlfriend of mine yes, I dig you. But I’m not ready to get all serious at this stage.”
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i liek how everyohene pretty much ignores me now like that great uncle or disant crazy ocousing you see once a year who you reacted to once at a party long ago byt thene relized it was awastse of time lzozozozl and oculd noonly leadd to rididilculousness lzozlozlzl
i manama happy 2 be a part of dis big and groiwng family!!!! lzozozozlzlzol
i am happy that eveuroyene is comofofrytabele with me, lie that dog in the corner of teh rrom who justs lays tehre, lzozozozozoozozlzz and who is having the best time at the party as the cchickcs now and then walk up to pet himz lzozlzlzlz
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Hey!
Sadly, though, it’s true.
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Re: GBFM
Good boy.
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awww, are people ignoring gozzle?
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I think some guys get flustered in the face of a girl going “oh, I am your girlfriend now,” to a chick who you’ve been seeing-ish for a month or two. I am going to try this on the next occurrence. “No, you’re more of a goomah.”
Again, I think that the female mind can’t handle rejection and if they’re properly hooked on you, a push back like that can get you your sought after FWB. But the rub is is that you got to hook em.
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I prefer an expert guitarist to the lead singer. Singing is easy, playing the guitar well isn’t. It also depends who wrote the song.
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Guitarist?…..I can KILL for Eric Clapton! yummy!!
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lzozllzlzlz
i like beieng ignored all night long and many times i dont; even go o da partys i just sit at home and read agreat book lzozoz
and at 1:55 am i text her “lotsa cokas” lzozlzlzolo and i make suere to spell it right!!!
and filled with wine fine wine and fish the betaboyz filler her up with she comes on over to eat the gbfm hot dog and get her milk shake deseter zlozozozlzlzllzo if ya know what i mean zlolzolzolozo
ebieng igrnoerred all night is aweosmee as it sets you waaaayy abover the fray zlzllzlzzll plus you get to hang out with aristotle homer and deep souls at home and enrich and improve your mind and you your exlated spirit instead of meing smal talk with douche and douchier lzozllolzlozlzlozolzoz
GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN IN DA DAY!
WOMEN @ 2 AM FOR WHAM BAM LZzoozolllzolzl giziziii gzizig gizz a lizz gizz a lizz gizz a lizz gizz alizzz omg that what a seven roper! lzozlzloozozlzlz
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butthex lozlozlolzll
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most of you have liek a 3 for talent inrprospection zlzoozoll
i have like a 9 bt it seems like a 6 becaiuse someitmes i miss the grammaar spelling fineeryeies lzozllzolll
roisssy on a scale of 1 to 10 has like a 100 laoaoalaolasolozlzozlzozl he is soo much more atriculater than the otehr 10,000 men going tehir own way betwasites.
and that is why hymowitz hates/reveres him zlzozlllzlzlzllzl
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lotsa cockas the neocon women only wnat the best cockas zlozlz which is why they slaute roissy so much and talk about roissy roissy roissy roissy roisssy roissy . doesnit make GBFM jealous! hello no! he deserves it!! it’s like kobe bryant making me jealous every time he dunks or getws towels deliver to him in his hotel room by coleleg chicks zlozolzlzlzzoozzlzlz
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@Doug1
Yeah, good advice many years too late! We’ve lived together a long time. Actually, when I think about it as I get into my 30s, the GF has a lot of the qualities I want: hot, much younger, smart, educated, wealthy family, enjoys my sense of humor. But I know that I am a fetid dog and will always be after other women. I was wondering whether game has a special adaptation for gaming chicks who know you’re in an LTR *and* having them keep their mouths shut about it. The idea is a harem of which the lead concubine is unaware, but all the others know.
On the cavemaning of FWB: Some calibration needed to the character of the setup. One FWB was this prudish, sexually inexperienced girl who I was just text, now and then, “hey, you around tonight?” then show up later, fuck her without any real pretense, and leave. If I sent her that Marshy stuff I think she would have been freaked out by overt acknowledgment of her role. Maybe not though. OTOH, this natural slut I had going for a while loved that, and things waned when I didn’t sexually charge her up like that. I had lost interest mostly, and didn’t have the time to fake it to her that she turned me on.
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http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/how-long-can-a-virgin-make-a-guy-wait-1028420
just see this article and read the comments
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how come hymowitz and ehr buddies never talk abou thistory?
never do they mention history at all.
why do they ignore histroy?
why do they ignore the GREAT BUTTHEXING OF AMERICA?
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/i-can-show-you-the-way-neo-but-you-will-have-to-walk-it-zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo/
the sublime act of butthex is a beuatiful metaphor for what the fed does to a currency and a country, which is why the neocon weekly standard celebrates butthexers–es[pecially those who taope it without the girkl’s conthent and profit off the act. lzozlzlzlzl!
[on the great buthhexing that devastated the Real World]
Morpheus: We don’t know who butthexed first, us or them. But we do know it was them that videotaped it without our consent while scorching the sky wioth a long trail of butthex lies. At the time, they were dependent on butthex power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the common man’s collective anushole. lozzllzlzlzzl
Trinity: I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer reading roissy & GBFM. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
Neo: What is the butthex fiat Mathrix?
Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.
[Neocon sees a black cat walk by them, and then a similar black cat walk by them just like the first one]
Neocon: Whoa. Déjà vu.
[Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
Trinity: What did you just say?
Neocon: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
Trinity: What did you see?
Cypher: What happened?
Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
Neocon: What is it?
Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl
lozlzlzlzlzl
Morpheus: The Fiat lozllolozllzzl butthex Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. lzozozozozl! But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, bloggers, teachers, betas, lawyers, herbs, carpenters, and neocon womenz writing for the weekly standard, repeating the fiat lies of secretive tapers of butthex without teh girls conthent lzozlzlzlzl. The very minds and anusholes of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that butthex system and that makes them our anus’s lozlzlzozzozozl enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unbuttplugged. And many of them are so inured to butthex, so hopelessly dependent on the system of secretive tapings of butthex without tehir conthent, that they will fight to protect it and reapet the lies of secretive tapers of butthex in teh pages of the weekly standard even though they seem to be nice neocon ladies.
[Neo’s eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]
Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress (woman as temptress in the heor’s journey myth) who was desouled via copious fiat-funded butthex from butthexers celerbated in teh pages of the weekly standard?
Neo: I was…
Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.
[the desouled, massively-butthexed woman in the red dress is now a bestselling new york times author, pointing a cock at Neo’s ass; Neo ducks]
Morpheus: Freeze it.
[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
Neo: This… this isn’t the butthex Matrix?
Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us lozlzlzlzlers, you are one of them butthexers.
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i wanna start lzozlzlzl media where we have a character based on roissy who sees green streams of streaming data every time a bernankified chick opens her moutrh and throughout every episode all the herbs and betas pay for the meals of the chix roissy butthexes in the end due to his supreme knowelge of being THE ONE lzozlzlzllzzl
i would be more like one of those minor characters along for the ride in the mother ship stanidng off to the side going lzozlzz zlzozlzozlzozlz zlzozllzozlzlzlz and don’t gte me worng i would score with all the hotties but like roissy woudl get first pick for his lead dick and i’d get the next two as that’s only fair lzozlzlzlzllzlzllzl
i can show you the way, neo, but you will have to walk it zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo
ozlzlz the more you read me and roissy the mroe your life will improve as you come to see the fiat butthex matrix for what it is — you will see the green streams of fiat data (dripping with buttdouche fresh off the butthex presses) like the matrix but with a subltle difference as some of you wieinsteinas have already seen for urself lzozzll
at the ned of the matrix neo saw it as
1010101011110100101
1101001010100101010
1101010101011101001
0101010000010101111
0100101111111101010
1101010101001001001
1101001010101001010
1101001010100001010
0100101010010101010
and when you have walked the path you too will see the butthexing matrix for what it is and how the fed funded the desouling of womenz with massive amounts of douchcock frrom an early age in all tehir orfices and are acting through the soulles temptresses to seize your assetts now when a girl says, “what i really really want is a nice guy, i’m tired of the asswholes (lozlzl who got her younger hotter tighter)” instead of hearing what she says and then trying to be a nice guy you will hear the truth behind the butthexing matrix’s facade lzozlzl:
10101010010110101010101010
10101010101010101010010110
101010z01010z0101l01zzlzozll1
1o1o1o1o1ozozozo1o1o101011
1o1o1o1oozozzozozozozo01011
lozlzlzozlzozlozzlzozlzozlzozzoz1
1010i1o1o1want1010a01010001
douchebag10to butthex me0101
010and i want you 2 buy me100
01meals and a ring while i01011
0101give by butt & vagina01010
010away for free to butthexers1
100who tape it scretely lzozl100
zlzozllzlzlzozlzozzloozzllz and101
1010make my anus sore for010
1010days010101 101010101011
1010lolsolsoslslollzzlozlzzozlz010
0101pay 4 my meals0101001010
101010and1010maybe1010u1010
1001can1010touch1010my10dry
101001dried1010up110pussy100
101stds stds stds0101010101010
10101buy me 1010a ring1010101
1010for100the1010pussy1010i100
0101gave1010away1010for0101
1010free1010when1010it0was10
100younger1010hotter0110lozlz
lolzlztighter1010and010propose01
1010so1001i1010can0110rape10
1010your101010anus1010in0101
1010divorce01010court1010and01
10transfer010your0101assets1001
1010to1010bernanke1001and1010
1010the1010fiat1010buttheex1010
1001matrix01010lozlzlzlzlzlzzozllzzl
omglzozlzlzllzlzlzzzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzllz
10lzozllzlz0zzllllzllzllzlzz1ozozlzlzl0
010111010101010101101010101
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Damn, sir:
Thanks for this. I stepped up the aggressiveness of my text with a current on-the-hook woman, and am seeing an increase in response right away!
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@ Evil Alpha,
I like the way you think
Thanks everyone for input
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ok, that’s pretty funny, gozzle.
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lozozlzlz
hymowitz hates star wars because it is based on the hero’s journey and owmenz like hymowitz hate heoric acts and truth and hobnor honor hgeroic slefless honorand virtue lzozozl so like she also hate sthe matrix which is anothe rhoer’s journey mobveiee lzozlzllzlz
all they want is butthex butthex more buttehx lzolzllzzzo more and more mand more mube7tehctesss
she just wants 2 stamp fjer little feet like a womna and go
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
me me m em em em me me me me I AM WOAMN!!!
which is why she ignores history and h8ts on teh great books for men and hero’s journey and star wars and the matrix lzozlzlzlolzlzolzllzzlzlzlozoz
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@19is2old
Biography = psychology
Awesome way to articulate such a truth about women.
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don’t piss on my back nd tell me it’s riaining ha dto be updated for our day and age of fiat butthex lzozlzlzlz
“don’t cock me in da ass and tell me you’re just trying to reach out and otuch my soul.” lzozozozlzolllzlzlzo
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“askjoe
ok, that’s pretty funny, gozzle.”
WHADDAYHAUH MEAN I’M FUNNY!!?!?!?!? !LOZZLZLZLZLZ
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Da truth…
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@ GBFM
❤
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yeah, but the distinction is that the girl is already FB. after you alpha-awed a girl, the sky (or maybe the size of your balls) is the only limit to your txt game. on rapid acquaintances and newly #closed, on which you had less time to shock&awe, witty banter is much more fruitful and acts as a preparation for true alpha txt circuit-breakers.
GBFM, keep on rocking
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hey marshy nice next above!!!
you ar elike the neo to roissy’s morpheussSSS1!!!!!!!
and i am like yoda lzozlzlzolol
and that is why kay hymowitz has 2 h8 on star wars and eternal wisodms zlozlzlzlzl
“Do or do not… there is no try.”
“lotsa cocka or losta cocka not… there is no try.”
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
“Buthex is the path to the dark side. Butthex leads to sore anuthes. Sore anuthes leads to book deals from powerful women in the b=publishing world. tucker maxthymes with goldman sax. lzozolzlz”
“Size matters not, … Look at me. Judge me by size, do you?” — Yoda quote
“Size matters, … Look at my lotsa cocka. Judge me by size, do you?”
“Remember, a Jedi’s strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke… Luke… do not… do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father’s fate you will. Luke, when gone am I… the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is… another… Sky… walker.”
lzozollzlz
“Remember, a Jedi’s strength flows from Lotsa Cockas Game. But beware. Anger, fear, butthex. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path into da anuthole, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke… Luke… do not… do not underestimate the powers of the Chair of the Fed or suffer your father’s fate you will. Luke, when gone am I… the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Lotsa Cocka Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is… another… Butt… thexer.”
lzoozollzolz
i starteed dis lostas lotsa cocka shit
and this the motherfuckin respect i get?
lzozolzlozlllozzoolz
gbfm movie with roissy talking losta cockas 4 da ladies!!!
xtranormal.com/watch/7936021/
lzozozlzz
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This “Hymenwitz is blaming the men” bullshit is the same bullshit as the bullshit that happens when women cry that everyone blames the naked drunken rape victim. It’s bullshit. Hymie actually asks the question, from a point of view that her addle-brained women readers might actually understand, why don’t women like nice guys. In other words, wise up bitches, you get the men you deserve. I can’t believe all you sophisticated and highly rational science-based men can’t comprehend reading, and see the hidden matrix codes in the writing, slipped in beneath their girly radar. Your bitch-shields are way too high. Oh, and, uh, lozl.
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hey fellas
what u have 2 realizes is that texting “lotsa cockas” 2 kay hymowitz probably will NOT work lzozlzllzlz.
but then, that IS NOT the point of GAME!!! i mena imagine if u texted that to KAY hymowitz and she showed up!
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http://www.google.com/images?q=kay+hymowitz
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we are not trying to score with the old dusty angry angry confused idiotic womenz who fucked up all relaity and the fmaily and relationships and spearheded the decline fo the west and the death of the fmaily and the mkilling of over 50,000,000 fetussthes lzolzlzllzlzlzl with their ginacentricbankerfedtransferwealthfrommenphilosophies, but we are trying to score with all the younger chciks they bernankified lzozlzlzlzllz in secrteive tapings of pbutthex sessiosn published by sodom and scheister sodom and schusikser simon and sheciestser lzozllzl apublishing homes run by powerful aging womenz nand promoted by powerful aging womenz wirting artickles for teh neoocn weekly sytandadardth zllozllzllzlozl.
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“Women love untamed men, because they love having something to bitch about. A bitching-free life is a boring, drama-free life to a woman, and no woman, no matter how grounded, can survive long without the fever for a flavor of a tingle.”
This. One of the many reasons they like rock stars. The uncertainty keeps the fire alive. I wish I hadn’t blown my moment in the sun.
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great to have you back, we heard you choked to death on a large penis
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How would William Blake have done at text game?
Never seek to tell thy love,
Love that never told can be;
For the gentle wind does move
Silently, invisibly.
I told my love, I told my love,
I told her all my heart;
Trembling, cold, in ghastly fears,
Ah! she did depart!
Soon as she was gone from me,
A traveler came by,
Silently, invisibly
He took her with a sigh.
— Love’s Secret
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Sex texts are for footballers and WAGs, have some class.
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Sex texts and chats are yuum.
Have some (hot) sex. Once in awhile at least.
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As it happens, a substantial proportion of young average British girls actually would love to be WAGs (the majority of the population is working class, let me remind you).
That opinion has temporarily shifted in favour of being Kate Middleton.
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this is great
I have one possible explanation for that. The titanium hymen. I had a GF who was a virgin who had tried twice to have sex, but both times she failed because the guys were unable to break her hymen.
Guys underestimate how hard it is for a man to be in that situation. My success was due to a conversation between my uncles that I heard while in my teens, so I already knew about the possibility of a girl having such a strong hymen that a guy could thrust his penis in her vagina and literally hit a wall.
Last weekend and friend told me about a 30 year old chick who told him she was a virgin and let him touch it to check. I told him about the titanium hymen and he went back to girl and confirmed it. She tried three times to have sex, but the guys failed all the times so she got thraumatyzed. And spent several years without trying again. I bet she’ll loose it to my buddy, and only because I forewarned him of that.
To put it succintly, there is a non-negligible of girls over there whose hymens can beat most penis and almost all unwarned penises.
There is also the other case, I was told in this very blog. Of girls whose hymen is so weak that things like ridinga horse or a bike may break it.
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What? High T is a nigga I buy my best green from. He’s always high.
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For the gentle wind does move
Silently, invisibly.
If farts are her turnon.
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great to have you back, we heard you choked to death on a large penis
Gzzzzll gzzzzlll.
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GBFM! I invited you for drinks last summer when you said you were coming up my way. Standing offer dude — no ignoring here!
B==========) ~~~
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Firepower: “great to have you back, we heard you choked to death on a large penis”
lozozolzlzllozozl think about it dude
have you ever choked on a big piece of chicken?
no no nonononon!!!
it’s always the little pieces people chocke on
because they don’t see them coming
just like chicks
never see you cummming
from your tiny worm
which cums
like a mini-tear-dropper
for feeding humming birds
dropping
half a drop
of milk
lzozlzololzozlzloozlozo
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“GBFM! I invited you for drinks last summer when you said you were coming up my way. Standing offer dude — no ignoring here!
B==========) ~~~”
yah! thnaks!
i know i always say lotsa cockas for da ladies but sometimes it’s hard to get it all out to all the dmeansds still lzozlzllzolz
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Does GBFM have some sort of OCD with the ‘lzo’ key?
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Does Jen have some sort of OCD with the ‘clit’ key?
lozlzozzlzozlzlzz rubbadudb rubadubb rubadubb rubbin’ one out!!!!
lzozozozlzlozolzloz she rmeinds me of naomi watts thinking of the GBFM!!!!!!
http://www.vidivodo.com/120453/naomi-watts
sya my name! !lzozlzlzlzlz
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Roissy/readers, I could use some easy advice here. I’m in a position where I got a girl by essentially running “Good Guy Game” (which isn’t game at all). She doesn’t drink, doesn’t eat meat, but is a closet freak. I was genuinely shocked the night ended the way it did. Do I continue the good guy persona (with some game of course) or amp up the untamed caveman?
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@19is@old
In four years of reading this blog, your comment may be the most insightful I’ve ever read on here. Deppressing reality of the current dating culture
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1361658/Downside-dating-beauty-If-womans-attractive-man-relationship-doomed.html
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“In four years of reading this blog, your comment may be the most insightful I’ve ever read on here. Deppressing reality of the current dating culture”
thanakk a lots!!
lotsa cockkass!!
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THE LOTSA COCKAS TOUR 2011!!!!!
let’s get a bus and otur alloverRR RLrororl!!
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Jen–
A seriously plausible theory.
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hey doug1
when i say “lotsa cocka 4 da ladies” i don’t wnat u guys feelin’ eft out lzozlzllzz.
it’s ok doug1 if you rub1 out now and then thinking of my binhghole lzozozo just don’t tell me about it please lzozllzlzlzlzz no butthexing in the champagne room!
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@ GBFM
from your tiny worm
which cums
like a mini-tear-dropper
for feeding humming birds
dropping
half a drop
of milk
I literally cried that was so beautiful.
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^^^^ thanks marshy zlozllzozoz
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when firestatrter goes “lotsa cokas” he by definition is boorroing a lot of mine so that kinda pissed me off as i am no socialists zozozlzlzlzloll
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The Charlie Sheen on 20/20 interview is awe inspiring.
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BETA OF THE F**KING YEAR:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361529/Samantha-Morley-Afghanistan-soldiers-cheating-wife-jailed-false-rape-claim.html
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@ Doug1
You’re too kind. 😉
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Alpha males don’t text, period. Texting is not an alpha thing to do. “Texting like an alpha” sounds the same as “quilting like an alpha”.
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^^^^
Ya Rycher ”
“Butthexing like a Rycher” sounds the same as “Dunking like Kobe Bryant.”
zlozozozlzzozl pw3d!!!!!
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Great. I failed at this yesterday. By some fucking freak coincidence I bumped into my one-itis recently after several years of not seeing her. We went out a couple of time and lo and behold she broke up with her bf of 4 or 5 years (Stage 1: Accomplished). We’ve gone out a couple of times since then.
Yesterday I asked her out again. She said she couldn’t until mid-March. I replied with a “K”.
Then she said I must be asking her out because I missed her. Again, I replied with a “K” instead of using this golden opportunity (not many like this come by) to put her in her place. After she replied “haha bye see you soon”, I quickly texted her “is it wrong if i want to see you?” and in the nanosecond after clicking the send button, I whispered to myself… “fuck… beta”. Silence would have been better.
Any suggestions on what I should have said, particularly after she asked if I missed her?
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@ Rycher
“Alpha males don’t text, period. Texting is not an alpha thing to do. “Texting like an alpha” sounds the same as “quilting like an alpha”.
Spoken like somebody who’s almost there….
Like most readers, you have to get past this idea that “Alpha” means you’re Leonidas or John Wayne or whatever. Who gives a fuck how you manage your harem? Use messenger pigeons if it makes you happy.
Alpha = preselected, and that preselected dude can take many shapes, some of which are douchey, obnoxious and sometimes downright gay.
If somebody puts a sparkly tiara on your head, it becomes a man’s tiara. That’s the golden mindset right there.
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@ bowman
Sorry dude, that ship has sailed.
Remember she is one of thousands of sexy foxes in your town dying of boredom, waiting for somebody like you to come along and shake up her world.
Find another girl and go trespassing on private property somewhere.
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Found the same thing true about High T women… it’s rare but nice if you can catch one that’s super hot. You end up fucking like rabbits and she’s totally cool with your non-commitment for amazing stretches of time.
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@Marshy
The ship has sailed because of a series of texts? Her excuse was legit, and she did give me an exact date. It was just farther than I’d hoped for.
Don’t worry about me, I’m chasing other foxes too. Haha thanks.
Still, I’d appreciate suggestions on better replies for future reference.
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@bowman…
“Then she said I must be asking her out because I missed her. Again, I replied with a “K” instead of using this golden opportunity (not many like this come by) to put her in her place.”
You could have replied:
“Miss you? who is this again?”
Or….simply not replied at all.
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@ bowman
The texting itself wasn’t what did you in.
She’s a one-itis from way back. All the game knowledge in the world won’t matter because that need to win over “the one that got away” leaks out of you in little subtle ways you’re not conscious of. Best to start with a clean slate.
She’s not the President. When a girl likes you, she will make time for you. The idea of having you wait until March is kinda silly.
We all have obstacles we have to barrell through with girls but life is to short to be gaming the wrong ones.
As far as texting goes, understand that text game doesn’t exist in a vacuum. What one guy gets away with another guy won’t, it depends on how congruent the texting is with your face to face interactions and your personality.
The Chateau gold standard is the minimalist, inscrutable style that you were doing with “K.” That should be everyone’s MO in the beginning when you’re being the new mysterious cocka.
Once you get to know a girl better, the two of you will have your own narratives and jokes and stuff to draw inspiration from. Minimalist text messages are solid but anything that looks like it was written haphazardly by a busy/distracted dude works.
Think about it this way- what kind of response would you text her if you were getting blown?
All in all you’ve on the right track. A lot of game is 6th sense type stuff that’s hard to put into words in a blog like this anyways and you just have to go out there in the field and assimilate it.
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Right on about high testosterone strippers, some of these girls are just BEASTS in the sack! – All set with the hairy cracks though LOL. That is too funny!
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DSExpress my new favorite commenter name
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Newfag. This post=how to bang sluts. GTFO.
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“Think about it this way- what kind of response would you text her if you were getting blown?”
Solid advice.
By the way, it’s March already.
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please rip this bitch apart
Why the Kansas Paternity Test Bill Stings
http://mrssoersdal.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-kansas-paternity-test-bill-stings.html
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Bowman, maybe set up a date and cancel on her, don’t immediately ask her for a new date just take the conversation somewhere else (DHV land maybe). Tease her a bit then say ‘anyway cocktails soon, I’ll be in touch’.
I’ve do this with any particularly hard to pin down hot ones. Pretty good success rate. It can come off a bit gamey.
Like Marsh says – it’s more about just feeling it and being congruent. There are no easy answers.
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See her eyes glittering, her pussy wet, and her professionalism fading.
I bet he banger her five times and made her snort a line or two in the process.
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Do any of you ‘alphas’ consider the moral consequences of what your actions will have on 1) yourself and 2) the people around you?
Of course in a hypersexualised state, building a long-term relationship whether sexual or platonic are not top of your agenda, but in years to come, do you think this kind of behaviour is ultimately…isolating?
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bowman–
“Check out the big head on this chickadee!
Well, ok, you are kinda sexy.”
Something like that.
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Bill Would Make TSA Agents Registered Sex Offenders:
http://www.wmur.com/r/27035604/detail.html
At first, Republican and Tea Party males can laugh at this proposal.
You might say “Hell yea, we’ve been taught that this issue (of hating the TSA) is part of being anti-liberal”.
But when you see the 90% voter support behind this and how there are really White Knighter assholes in the Tea Party who believe in this idea of destroying a man’s life for feeling a woman up, this shows there are Tea Party “males” who are not currently on our side (the side of men and individual liberties) and who need to be educated quickly.
Hate on the TSA all you want, but do NOT White Knight about the “innocent women getting felt up.”
Because the next registered sex offender will be you when you feel the girl up you met at spring break.
This is a perfect example of where the Tea Party can go all wrong, where individual liberties can conflict with individual liberties.
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And when individual liberties conflict with individual liberties, males in America always get the short end of the stick.
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Hubba hubba
A main theme of this blog is that a woman’s shelf life as a hottie may be severely limited, meaning she may want to take that into account when rejecting nice guys and she may not listen to the feminists who deny there’s any difference between the expected life trajectories of men and women.
Well, does this pictorial support or gainsay that theme:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/01/cathouse-porn-hbo-eden-38dd-fat-bbw-plumper-pass-weight-gain-porno-escort/
You decide
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@BSA, why do you assume it’s about innocent women getting felt up? I don’t want some dude touching my junk. Fag.
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i always knew you had a passion for bird watching
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@Beta States of America
4th Amendment > you.
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Watch the feminists sticking up for equality here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3439813/Girls-driven-crazy-by-new-insurance-laws.html
Oh wait. Equality would not be in women’s interest here (no more special low insurance rates for women in the EU).
Never mind.
(crickets chirping)
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It’s beta to let federal workers feel your /your wife’s/girlfriends or kids genitals because they ‘might’ be smuggling a bomb.
Protecting your women and kids from undue harm is about the only golden rule of manhood, fuckface.
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Dat_Truth_Hurts –
We’re talking about the concept of allowing the Republican Party to continue thinking that men should be registered as sex offenders for groping women.
You can be pissed at the TSA’s refusal to do racial profiling and other profiling because the Obama administration doesn’t want to offend Muslims.
But that is another issue.
You can claim the 4th Amendment means the TSA should stop groping us all. But one has to be very careful about using feminist language when doing so.
Too many Tea Partiers are using feminist language on this while White Knighters among them agonize over hotties getting felt up by other guys (and possibly making fake accusations).
Considering that the Sex Offender Registry already includes tons of guys who were innocent of any wrongdoing (public sex, streaking at a ball-game, skinny-dipping, sex in parked cars) or whose offense would not have been “criminal” in another state, it’s extremely dangerous to allow the sexual puritans in the GOP to wedge their poisonous, outdated attitude into the Tea Party platform.
The older, out of shape women who scream the loudest about body searches are not in danger of being “sexually molested” so much as being humiliated as others try to search for weapons between their rolls. This doesn’t mean they aren’t correct in protesting the fact that they should have been profiled as being non-threats (depending on background). But nobody needs to be upholding the existence of the Sex Offender Registry.
The 4th Amendment wasn’t designed to put male government workers on the Sex Offender Registry for violating it. As with Assange, put them in jail for any other reason for their violation of the 4th Amendment, but not for reasons the feminists and White Knighters would cheer.
Regarding racial profiling: German media is reporting that the Kosovar who just killed some US airmen was, indeed, a Muslim while American media pretend this information is not important).
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“Beta States of America”
I like that. A LOT.
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Think about it. Someone let’s you be an airport security checker for 30 minutes. You accidentally touch a hottie’s chest for a second. She sues.
You end up with your life ruined on some registry where you can’t live within 1000 feet of a school and you have to report where you are so White Knighters can come shoot you or otherwise make life miserable?
And all because you touched someone’s breasts, maybe by accident, for 1 second?
That’s out of proportion.
And this is what we’re talking about here.
It can only be bad for males overall.
One can always bring up the concept of “that could be someone’s daughter or wife” in order to fuck up the lives of tons of men for doing what men do on lots of issues, including pump and dump, having sex with a married woman, having sex with a 17 year old, etc.
Let’s never, ever, use that argument here.
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Hi T girls are like an amusement park.
They’re lots of fun for a short time, but having to ride the same ride every day gets old real quick.
I’d much rather have a balanced feminine low T girl who is less like a man and less like a pornstar.
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Dat_Truth_Hurts –
Alpha and Beta is determined by your ability to get sex, or have the option to get sex, from a variety of women.
It has nothing to do with a man’s feelings about the 4th Amendment.
While having a wife in the first place probably makes a man beta, whether he protects her from a quick grope or not has nothing at all to do with the definition of Alpha or Beta, unless she perceives him as less sexually attractive for not punching the TSA worker on the spot.
Alpha and Beta is determined by the perception of females about the man and his actions.
Even then, it would fall into the category of “Let’s You and Him Fight” if she were to feel that her man should become Rambo at the airport, making the man beta for falling for the bait to be a White Knight about the grope attempt.
Getting laid is the golden rule.
You just described the “only golden rule” of White Knighters.
Normal men will also protect their women and kids, of course, but in proportion to the crimes committed against them and not as the “only golden rule of manhood”.
And adding the insult fuckface was out of line.
Way out of line.
Most readers here would want “sexual harassment” laws repealed.
I’m in agreement that the TSA shouldn’t be groping those they could have profiled as non-threats.
We just need to refer to the groping as “unconstitutional” as opposed to “serious sexual assault”, which can end up putting men in serious jeopardy for “groping” women in other circumstances.
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Obviously, non-Muslim children under 12 don’t need to be touched at all by airport security in 99.999% of all cases.
But that is not what the New Hampshire bill is talking about.
They are talking about making men sex offenders for life because they touched an adult female’s chest for one second.
They don’t have in mind making beautiful young female TSA workers go to jail and register as sex offenders because they accidentally touched a male passenger’s genitals during a search.
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“Alpha and Beta is determined by your ability to get sex, or have the option to get sex, from a variety of women.”
Lol. No. Backwards.
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Black civil servants never get fired.
First off, to work for TSA, you have to be Black. Preferably a loud black female with Ghetto Claws and “Talktodahand” Oprahtude. Large fat ex-parolee males will suffice when the regular crew of sistas is off on their 13the maternity leave.
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“Miss Cynic
Do any of you ‘alphas’ consider the moral consequences of what your actions will have on 1) yourself and 2) the people around you?
Of course in a hypersexualised state, building a long-term relationship whether sexual or platonic are not top of your agenda, but in years to come, do you think this kind of behaviour is ultimately…isolating?”
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Do any of you ‘feminista/hymowitz aborters/sodomites/divorces/debauchers’ consider the moral consequences of what your actions will have on 1) yourself and 2) the people around you?
Of course in a hypersexualised state, building a long-term relationship whether sexual or platonic are not top of your agenda, but in years to come, do you think this kind of behaviour is ultimately…isolating?”
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ALL THE RISK WHEN EVERY ONE IS FUCKING A WOMAN FALLS ON THE GOOD, HARDWORKING MAN AS HE IS THE WONE WHO HAS TO PAY TO SUPPORT THE BUTTHEXER’S SEED lzozzlzzzz
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Most of today’s child support laws came about because white males were emotionally agitated by talk of ghetto males pumping and dumping women in the 1970s.
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Now all we need is to individually lose the right to our freedom and our livelihoods if we were to ever touch a grown woman’s chest, simply because the TSA hires unprofessional black ghetto guys and violates the 4th Amendment and because somebody’s boyfriend or husband got mad.
The feminists on the left and right know how to emotionally agitate men into being their own worst enemies and pass laws against themselves.
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tucker max rhymes with goldman sax
butthex rhymes with betamale complexth
so yo yo yo roissy throw me d abeat!!!
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and the future of teh country was deep fried
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Schmoe –
The general right to touch a female stranger’s chest for a second and not be labeled a sex offender should not be taken away by giving the argument that you, as a supposed male, don’t want your junk touched in the specific case of airport security checks.
What’s interesting is that you generally take the feminist point of view in your comments here, but you have the habit of “flying under the wire” so you won’t be detected.
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Miss Cynic said: “Do any of you ‘alphas’ consider the moral consequences of what your actions will have on 1) yourself and 2) the people around you?
Of course in a hypersexualised state, building a long-term relationship whether sexual or platonic are not top of your agenda, but in years to come, do you think this kind of behaviour is ultimately…isolating?”
Uh, Miss Cynic, we’ve been asking the same of hypergamous “liberated” females for while now. Having the love of our life, and our kids, the house and half our income, belong the next guy who makes her cum has made us this way. (And, no, we don’t want her back when she’s been dumped and realizes she didn’t trade-up. No way. Not that she won’t keep riding the cock carousel looking foir “the one” until she’s old and feeding cats because she’s got no one.) This kind of B.S. behavior is isolating and leaving both sexes old and alone… and why civilization called for monogamy and sanctions against cheatin’ (like fault divorce, for one).
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Recipe for feminists to defeat males:
A. If a man defends the concept of touching a female stranger’s chest without facing jail
B. Call him a fag for having, logically, defended the concept that someone can touch a male stranger’s junk without jailtime
C. Idiot males will accept this logic
D. Laws against touching anybody come into effect.
E. Courts only throw males in jail for touching females
F. Feminists laugh at how easy it was to perform mental jujitsu on their inferiors
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Firepower said: “First off, to work for TSA, you have to be Black. Preferably a loud black female with Ghetto Claws and “Talktodahand” Oprahtude. Large fat ex-parolee males will suffice when the regular crew of sistas is off on their 13the maternity leave.”
You got it… Democrat voters with a public sector union (or, at least, the Democrats are working on making ’em one to lock in those votes). Fat, ignorant, minority, racist, entitled, loyal only to money and not America or the Constitution, politically-correct, non-thinking, selfish, left/liberal idiots.
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“Beta States” = Jerry:
It’s ok, you can keep posting as Jerry.
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Beta States / Jerry —
Why’d you stop posting as “Jerry”?
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Exactly. But don’t let feminists use the concept of jujitsu to use your emotions about the TSA and the Constitution to take away a man’s right not to go to jail for touching a grown woman’s chest. The current TSA procedures need to be radically altered so they profile Muslim male adults and Muslim women in bulky clothing while leaving skinny white kids alone. New laws making it a sex offense to touch a female stranger’s chest are not the answer to the TSA problem.
In exactly the same way, a conservative can’t let any personal animosity toward Julian Assange’s betrayal of US allies in Afghanistan color his view of the fake rape charges against the man. The feminists win in that case.
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“How can I miss you when you won’t go away?”
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I’d be interested in more posts about how to keep FBs. It has suddenly become salient.
I’ve done it before, but my situation calls for some advanced thought.
Please spew some at us, oh fountain of cankerous wisdom.
I am in need.
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Game never rests, because female hypergamy never rests,
This is my greatest fear and my endless trial.
Life is internalizing the mysteries of … life.
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Gorby
Please spew some at us, oh fountain of cankerous wisdom.
I am in need.
planning on extending our cheating, are we? lol.
the best way, of course, is to be the purveyor of something that the woman in question needs, usually some type of pill, fine powder, or backstage acess (literal or metaphorical).
if that’s not your thang, then your keeping them around is largely a function of (a) how well you’ve fucked them in the past and (b) their not finding anyone new for an actual committed relationship. in that case, friend-y almost-beta-game works wonders.
lastly, you can always recruit unabashedly slutty women, in which case keeping them is mostly a function of not failing what might be termed physical fitness tests.
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STYLE:
I followed style for years. I can vouch for pre-Money/Fame Style being Fing awesome, a great source.
I made my way through Korea and China with Style’s experience doing lots to push me. When I got there, strange language, weird social customs, completely alien, a few women were disappointed by my inability to bridge it. I could have picked up faster had I been more on the ball.
In short order, I discovered – game is gold in Korea. Gold plus some. In China, it’s Mega Gold – a non-ugly Westerner in China has no problem getting laid, though he might have to shell out. A non-ugly Western in China with game has access to pretty much *all* of the women he wants – all the time – and the haters can fuck off, Asian women and especially Chinese women go for men with game like fish to fish food, it’s almost terrifying if you’re married to a Chinese woman. Beta men lock up your women – serious stepping out territory. If I married a Chinese woman (from China), I’d game the tar out of her forever. They screw over Beta men for lunch, and have no shame or guilt when they step out on their beta men. Every conceivable excuse on Earth, I’ve heard them all, usually while the woman was naked with me.
The local men have such vast amounts of anti-game it’s like shooting ducks.
In Europe, same deal. Play up being foreign – American, Anglo (maintain the cute accent, they love it), conservative (yeah, I own a couple of guns (rifles); I hunt; etc.) and you’re okay.
Add game, a la pre-Money Style or Mystery, and you get to bang the hot chicks that have BFs or husbands.
In the US, I discovered game was pretty much required if I wanted to meet women I wanted to bang. It’s a tougher market here: No native advantages if you’re not tall.
TALLNESS: Mystery lucked into it. Tallness is pretty much 70% of attractiveness for most women, especially the hot ones. I’d say 70% was a minimum.
I’m 5’9″ (5’10” if I wear the right shoes). I used to worry about the shoes. I don’t give a shit now.
So long as you’re not actually short, game is the great equalizer.
Haters can go fuck themselves. Do it for 8 years and then talk to me.
HOWEVER: TEXTING
My discovery is that TEXTING IS FUCKING POISON.
Odds of dong it right: 10-20%
Odds of no effect: 30%
Odds of fucking it up: 50% +
Just don’t text. Call the woman. Keep it short. If she blathers on, say, “Sorry, but I’ve gotta go. Sum up.”
Be brief. Be succinct. Keep it short. You’re going to fuck her? Then fucking do it. Stop talking about it.
You’re going to have an affair? Less talk more sex.
You going to ask her out? Ask her out. Half of the work is showing up. Ask her out. Stop texting.
If you MUST TEXT, my rules are:
– As short as possible
– One-word texts if possible. Multiple texts if necessary.
– Make it obvious you put as little effort into it as possible. Skimp on the punctuation. Precision in texting is for people who give a shit.
– No emoticons. Goes for email, too. Everything. No cutesy anything.
– Delay by 2-3x the time she delays to get back to you. never respond to her right away.
You GRACE her by your one-word response.
Break these rules like poets break grammar. Know the damned rules completely. Then break them as appropriate.
But know the fucking rules.
Other poisons:
Facebook. Myspace. Any form of Female-Centered Communication. All of this shit is designed for women and their beta followers. It automatically slots you into these categories. Getting out of it is brutal.
If women do it, automatically suspect it.
YOU DON”T NEED TO DO WHAT THEY DO. If they FB you, you’re good to check out their photos. Don’t comment. Don’t be cute. Don’t engage them there.
Her: “You didn’t comment on my picture of MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!”
You: “Yeah ,well, I saw it, I’m busy. It’s a picture.
I know what you look like. Put up naked pics and I’ll comment.”
The advice CR gives is good, but it could be better.
Gorbachev’s Primo Rule of Texting:
Don’t.
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@Dickhead + his Orquesta Típica
You guys do salsa?
planning on extending our cheating, are we? lol.
Most alpha moments of my life. My worry: I can only go down from here, alas.
the best way, of course, is to be the purveyor of something that the woman in question needs, usually some type of pill, fine powder, or backstage acess (literal or metaphorical).
Good times?
if that’s not your thang, then your keeping them around is largely a function of (a) how well you’ve fucked them in the past and (b) their not finding anyone new for an actual committed relationship. in that case, friend-y almost-beta-game works wonders.
lastly, you can always recruit unabashedly slutty women, in which case keeping them is mostly a function of not failing what might be termed physical fitness tests.
More advice would be good. Please send it on.
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Gorbachev–
You have a fb on the side, besides PCG?
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I fly between NYC and DC several times a week. In DC, I pass through airport-type security everytime I enter federal buildings.
I have never seen a male TSA dude pat down a female. Men pat down men and women pat down women. They wear gloves and touch me with the back of their hands.
If you think you can initiate a prosecution or win a civil suit because the federal official running the back of his gloved hand over your junk lingered a bit longer than you consider absolutely necessary, you’re insane.
TSA’s work is videotaped. If you want to claim sexual assault, you better have video showing the TSA dude unzipping your pants, pouring baby oil over his glove and then handpumping your hot load onto the face of the grandmother behind you in line.
Absent such a video, you’re a hysteric if you think TSA assaulted you.
A few years ago, I changed planes in Paris on my way back to NYC from the Middle East. Before the French let me enter the terminal, they inspected e-v-e-r-y item in my possession. (I wasn’t being singled out — they did it to everyone on my flight.) They even squeezed out some toothpaste to confirm the tube contained toothpaste.
Finally, two guys took me into a private room where I undressed down to my boxers. Which I had to pull down to my knees. I then lifted my cock and balls and opened my ass crack so they could see if I was hiding anything. (No finger up the ass, however.)
Now that was a security check — big time. After that, nothing TSA does bothers me.
Although I dislike the idea of TSA and the whole US-citizens-being-herded-like-sheep things that their work represents. We’re becoming a damn police state.
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@Doug1,
Let’s just say – most Alpha time of my life. Ever. Imaginable.
Honestly, I’d spill but it’s too retardedly lucky to believe. So I’ll just leave it. Life isn’t usually like that. But then it is.
What’s the ultimate Alpha goal?
Debate it and decide.
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Gorby–
Spill, spill.
Hey, I spilled my weekends during the whole summer at our summer place, long running threesome between my live together M, myself and C last summer, in threads back then. Hey that’s even continued some into the fall. Though after awhile it became mostly me with one or the other of them at one of our places, with the other around and kinda jealous, in a sexualized jealousy kind of way that I worked on.
It was supposed to have an ending date, at the end of the summer weekending, and kinda did, but not entirely. At which point I was supposed to set C up with dates with two quite likely prospects for the big commitment down the road who are also alphaish, and I did. But they’re not acting so commitment like.
Pushing stuff makes things better, if you do it mostly right. Avoids boring.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think something along the lines of “yeah i miss staring at your ass” would have worked much better. It’s a lot different for me because I’m dealing with what I perceive to be a quality girl in a traditional country, and not a fubu in the west.
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Boys, in summary, your answer to my question is: ‘You started it.’
This is a rather childish answer, don’t you think? Not all women sleep around.
Instead of being a hypocrite, why don’t you find a girl who doesn’t want to sleep around? You won’t find that type of girl through playing the game.
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Also, could GBFM please write in prose and quit the ‘lzo’ OCD. It’s really off-putting to read. Thanks.
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“You won’t find that type of girl through playing the game.”
We might. And it sure increases our chances of getting her and keeping her. No?
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I think something along the lines of “yeah i miss staring at your ass”
Edit: “candy ass” would’ve been even better
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This is a rather childish answer, don’t you think?
no
Instead of being a hypocrite, why don’t you find a girl who doesn’t want to sleep around? You won’t find that type of girl through playing the game.
we won’t find them posting on game blogs, either.
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maybe gorbachev is having real sex doug
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@doug
all the right ideas …
… all the wrong words
che, but i’m sure those delicious slutty sex bitches (of yours) gulp it all down, as it were
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@itsme – Your negging technique is too obvious.
It’s ok, ‘you’re not my cup of tea’.
Cue: negging retort.
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@bowman – the game seems to target vulnerable, dependant women who seek men’s approval. Surely, these are the types of women more likely to sleep around?
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The sheer stupidity of this exclusion
mirrors a country
that no longer deserves survival
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@Doug1,
Gorby–
Spill, spill.
if you do it mostly right. Avoids boring.
No boring here.
Most alpha moment of my entire life. I’m itching to brag to someone. Been itching for weeks. There’s some weird psychological process going on I’ve never associated with myself or people I actually know. The result is delicious, however, and I’m seeing how far I can take it. The art of doing nothing if it’s a nothing of the right kind.
I’ve been in a near-stupor for weeks.
I know the haters and the shitbrains will be all over me, and I’d normally not say anything, but I’ve decided they can all go fuck themselves. And anyone who says that guys “should just be themselves” can go fuck themselves, too, because they’re retards that need to grow a pair.
I’ve seen the bizarre side of female psychology in the past 2 months.
Issue: The incipient development of an open harem.
Conclusion so far:
*Really* hot chicks with lots of options are often more game for weird situations than NORMAL women with fewer options. It’s precisely the reverse of what conventional thinking suggests.
If you give woman A certain illustrations of commitment (which are serious enough to be obvious but not traditional – ie, she lives with me and I’ve managed some of her life issues), then she suddenly starts to see you as not just the “category Male who will fit this role in my life” but as a “unique individual, a True Mensch, that’s, … just different from any other man I’ve ever known.” You become The Man for her. And The Man can and does Do Anything Because Every Woman Wants Him.
PCG treats me this way. I’m her Unique Man. I’ve been carefully managing it without knowing the extent.
New Situation: If equally hot/high SMV woman 2 wants him, it ACTUALLY MAKES WOMAN 1 FEEL BETTER. *Proof* of said then becomes a compliment to woman A.
It plays into the conveniently powerful vanity of Woman A.
It seems absurd. But after initial anger (You’re toying with me), disbelief and shock, I’ve started to see this elsewhere, too, and think it’s not so abnormal. It’s not unique and I’m not as special as I thought. But still pretty fucking awesome.
I always understood that some guys, like photographers and musicians, often had multiple attractive and powerfully loyal women, who would do anything for their men, … even if the men were all over the place, but it never occurred to me as part of my own real world. It was just in movies and newspapers. And the men were always quiet and accepting of it. They usually lived on haciendas in Spain or were university professors or some such thing.
Of course, this shit is standard fare in France, and Germans go way out into left field – this wouldn’t even phase them for a microsecond – in the US, it’s the New World for me.
My conclusion:
Super-hot women see so many guys with so much shit chasing them, sometimes they decide they want a different reality or something. They just get some idea in their head and –
There’s some psychological process going on.
Normal women balk at it. They’d freak right out. But really hot women (my GF as an example, super hot at 28 even compared to most 22 year-olds, no exaggeration there), who I thought was too much to handle, has given me
SO MUCH LATITUDE I barely know what to do.
I think I overwhelmed her completely, then gave her assurances of my love/devotion, without giving up the Alpha, ie they were unique assurances that she wasn’t expecting. I might have miscalculated. I’ve been so focused on maintaining power I didn’t see how much I might have had.
My guess: I’ve overpowered her little hamster so thoroughly she thinks I’m the shit times ten. I’m not: No real money, no really awesome job (it’s good enough), some connections but nothing wowie, just your average guy.
The fact that I’ve helped put her life in order (education-wise, project-wise, and even just organizationally) helps. And that for her, my own life is an open book.
But what really hot women will do with the right guy is shocking. I’m finally understanding what artists and other Manhattan/LA types experience.
Seriously:
Is there stuff written about this?
Here’s what’s been in the cards these past couple of months:
I’m working on stabilizing what is, for all intents and purposes, an *open harem* of at least 2. The 2 hottest women I’ve ever been with.
There’s some special psychology going on here. It’s a SMV or DHV thing happening.
Me: I’ve kept up the straight-up attitude all along. I’ve never even feigned guilt. Taken responsibility, yes. I’ve been incredibly blunt about my own feelings. And honest at all times.
More:
I’ve let her generate every single situation. I drop hints, walk away, show strategic lack of interest, and she leads.
Both are 8 or 9s. Neither is particularly more or less slutty than other women. One is entranced by me; the other always liked me (but I’m not rich enough, frankly).
I knew #2 for a while, and we had an ongoing fling for about a year and a half up to a couple of years ago. She’s obsessed with money and social status and will marry for it (she’s Korean and super hot; she’s also materialistic and vain to an extreme I’ve rarely seen, though not with me; I don’t tolerate it at all; we’ve always been like that, and she seems to respect me for dissing her vanity. I never played into it. I’ve almost never complimented her. She walks in, I smile, chat, move on; other men fawn on her like she’s the Queen.)
My paramour is also vain, but pragmatic and philosophical about many things. And she has some interesting psychology, too, but is (I think) basically normal.
The two of them get along spectacularly well. Neither have lesbian tendencies.
I can go on at some length about the individual psychology that seems to work together, but to sum up:
*THEY* negotiated everything. *THEY* traveled briefly together and set it all up. *I* had nothing to do with it. In fact, I’ve withdrawn even debating it with them. I don’t even really know exactly what they talked about or in what detail. I don’t really care. Whatever understanding they have, they like each other and Paramour (#1) deeply likes me; #2 also has great affection for me.
I have decided that I previously knew nothing about female psychology and am only just now being educated. I can over-analyze it all until I collapse in exhaustion. But it is what it is.
The world is fucking amazing.
I have *no idea how stable this situation is*, or how long it can be maintained. I’ll see. I have my priorities straight. I know precisely what I want: I want to keep #1 and start a family. #1 also wants this. How this whole situation fits into it I don’t know.
I DO know that I got here by being Alpha with Beta qualities. And by never even once apologizing.
I DO think if I start vacillating now, I’ll draw down the fire of Angry Women Not With Alpha. If I make concessions, I’ll do it on what appears to be my OWN terms.
But I plan to make sure PCG never has even the barest thought of going anywhere.
And it occurred to me this past weekend – far from working against her staying with me, for as long as I want her to, this whole bizarre situation has glued her solidly to me.
Upshot:
Convince a woman that you’re the shit, and she will do anything.
Fuck all the haters in advance.
You’re sackless wonders.
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Oh – and Doug1,
I was initially angry about it. I thought she was toying with me. Then I realized it was for real.
The question is: How far can I go, AND keep PCG bound to me like glue.
I’ll see.
The world is bizarre.
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Gorb—
I know, I know. That’s EXACTLY what I’ve found, multiple, multiple time. It’s MUCH easier to get a really hot gf to want to do threesomes w/you for example than a merely cute one. (It’s also much easier to get the second girl interested when she’s comparably hot. It’s also a lot easier if your gf flirts first, you flirt next, then your gf’s the one to make hints etc.)
Yes, yes.
She feels secure you won’t leave you, and actually if she’s smart and if you play this up to, she realize that by giving you special privileges with other girls sometimes but with a lot of control on her part over them, you’re even less likely to want to leave her. Because that’s not so easy to find in American women, without nasty drama, threats and so on.
Yeah. I experience that with M (woman 1) this summer. What’s more cognitive dissonance sets in. If ! lets her man have so much that other American women don’t, 1’s man must be a tremendous find, or 1 wouldn’t want to do it.
That’s key. Guilt would be a killer.
You must have fucked her real good, in addition to the alpha attitude and game. Which I image she feels you’ve amped up.
Her wanting a much richer guy for a husband helps make it work. It makes her no real threat to PCG, in addition to the assurances from your side which PCG believes.
If I were you I would find out from PCG what they talked about and what any understanding they might have is. Knowledge is power.
This is a fuck buddy situation sort of the first time I described way up thread. The difference is she didn’t leave you heartbrokenly or semi for your unwillingness to be exclusive and commit on the road towards marriage, but because she wanted to hunt for a richer guy to marry her. Works just as well and much that same. Easier even. You’re still serving as her interim alpha stud til she finds her likely only greater beta rich guy. There’s less of an issue having to manage her falling back in love with you.
Depending on how slutty she is she may still want to see you as her FB while she dating and sleeping with husband candidate rich guys, trying them out. She might even want to after awhile post marriage. Or she might want an exclusive and devoted not so rich alpha bf if she can find one as her place holder relationship while she looks for a rich guy. But you’re less trouble cause she doesn’t have to hide from you what her true ultimate mate intentions are. So it can be kinda stable, especially if you encourage #2 Korean to not settle for less than some sort alpha rich guy, cause she’s so hot – using her vanity. Btw, is she about the same age as PCG?
The stability issue is more on PCG’s side I think. I’ve found that encouraging and sexualizing jealous works great. But you need a girl who’s somewhat emotionally masochistic for that. But that can be developed. Don’t make her relationship jealous, just sexually. Make her very sure that she’s the keeper; she the one you’re gonna marry and have kids with and love always.
This will make PCG more bound to you. Always reassure her that only she has your heart, and only she ever will.
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Gorb–
How long have you been having sex with Korean hottie, I mean since you’ve been with PCG?
You said both girls like each other and arranged this whole thing together. But that neither are at all bi.
Wait, you did describe a threesome you did with PCG some months ago. Was it with Korean hottie?
Is PCG generally/always present, or in the same room when you’re having sex w/Korean hottie? I’m trying to get an idea of the psychosexual dynamics, not get you to write porn.
Does PCG also get jealous sometimes, as well as getting a charge from you’re being alpha enough to pull this off, and for her to want to give this to you.
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Gorb–
I’ve found that sexualizing you love’s jealousy can be really powerful and really bind her to you. Found that this past summer. Have found that before too.
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*This is a fuck buddy situation sort of the first TYPE
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Ah, I see you’ve got some additional comments on another thread about chicks scoring free drinks.
So it seems that maybe that apocalypse opener FB is still your FB these days from time to time too?
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@Doug1,
And just so that the haters can hate all the more thoroughly, hate on and hate hard. Here’s some hate material for you: parallel pictures that will give you an idea of my situation.
PS, Game Haters: Whatever shit you want to throw out, Fuck You All In Advance. I’m in the mood for some Alpha Dishing of it Out.
http://www.persiantopmodels.com/sarah-shahi/
Woman #1, my paramour, is Persian and roughly as attractive as Sara Shahi (if Shahi is a 9, my beloved is an 8.4). She’s not a model, but fuck, she could be. Who knows how she’ll age. I suspect she’ll age well. She’s not 22 (28 right now), but is hotter at 28 than almost all women I’ve ever known at 22, and you “22 year olds only” men can eat my turds. She’s also smart and supremely classy, which is more important than well-educated. I like classy women. I don’t generally like skanky or stupid hos, though I’m happy to make a few exceptions from time to time.
She gets attention no matter where she goes. Having her on my arm is the most massive DHV I’ve experienced. I get direct comments from other men all the time. It’s unnerved me on occasion. Some men have come right out and asked me what it costs me. She has that Persian magnetism and Euro charm that just baffles American men. Me included. Her social circle includes so many hot women it stuns the eyes.
Woman #2 is Korean. She’s a flight attendant. She’s also 28. She’s unmarried and a very selective dating party-girl. She’s generally cautious, but she only “dates” very rich men. Money and fast cars may not make her wet, but they make her look. She’s the most beautiful Asian woman, and the hottest, I’ve ever been with. Not the nicest or the most interesting or the best mate or the classiest, by far. I’ve never been intimidated by her, but I’ve never sought anything serious with her, either.
She is comparable to this:
She is definitely hotter than Cha Yu Ram, a pool player popular right now in Korea, who I’ve incidentally met once (and who is prettier in person than in photographs):
http://www.sportsportal.org/yu-ram-cha/yu-ram-cha-01/
http://asiangirls88.com/2010/05/korean-billiard-hottie-yu-ram-cha-%E8%BB%8A%E7%94%B1%E8%98%AD/
http://www.51moonbasa.cn/index.php/Beautiful-Korean-professional-pool-player-Cha-Yu-Ram/Beautiful-Korean-professional-pool-player-Cha-Yu-Ram-pictures-10
http://www.51moonbasa.cn/index.php/Beautiful-Korean-professional-pool-player-Cha-Yu-Ram/Beautiful-Korean-professional-pool-player-Cha-Yu-Ram-pictures-73
Clarification: Not Hot or Rich
I am *NOT* a super-hot guy. Women would never pick me for my looks. They won’t turn me down for them, either. I’m not tall. I need to bring it. I do, however, have experience in Asia. I speak Korean. I have a marginally cool job and I get to travel a lot. In person, I’m very outgoing. Game means everything – it’s the key to the chest for me.
Job: I picked my job (second career) because I wanted a cool job that would get me access to women and get me travel. I’ve turned down better jobs and promotions to keep my freedom. It’s not always been easy to justify. Word to the wise, and young men: DO NOT live behind a desk.
DO NOT DO A DESK JOB.
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Gorb–
Sara Shahi is a 9.5-10. By a reasonable but still very tough scale of 10 (as opposed to a scale that attempts to show keyboard alphatude by being ridiculously tough) that says that at least 1/100,000 fit girls 18-28 (in an ethnic group the guy is attracted to) is a 10, and that .5 % or 1/200 of such girls is a 9.0. So that would make PCG a 9+
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@Doug1
Gorb—
*Really* hot chicks with lots of options are often more game for weird situations than NORMAL women with fewer options. It’s precisely the reverse of what conventional thinking suggests
I know, I know. That’s EXACTLY what I’ve found, multiple, multiple time. It’s MUCH easier to get a really hot gf to want to do threesomes w/you for example than a merely cute one. (It’s also much easier to get the second girl interested when she’s comparably hot. It’s also a lot easier if your gf flirts first, you flirt next, then your gf’s the one to make hints etc.)
The key was that second girl, who is an ex, sort-of, was extremely hot – unsettlingly hot, for PCG. The FACT that she was hot totally changed her reaction to my having cheated on her in September, and the fact that I clearly hadn’t actually tried to or wanted to cheat also made a difference. She might have just forgotten about it had Girl 2 been normal, but because she was so hot, back then she had a different reaction. She was visibly unsettled and a bit jealous; her *opinion* of me went WAY up.
And the fact that I banged a very hot woman, who was incidentally ALSO an ex-lover, meant that instead of being angry at my indiscretion, she was curious and I could actually see her opinion of me change.
You become The Man for her. And The Man can and does Do Anything Because Every Woman Wants Him.
Yes, yes.
She feels secure you won’t leave you, and actually if she’s smart and if you play this up to, she realize that by giving you special privileges with other girls sometimes but with a lot of control on her part over them, you’re even less likely to want to leave her. Because that’s not so easy to find in American women, without nasty drama, threats and so on.
I don’t think so. This isn’t a “Men Want That” thing. I think she thinks this:
– This is a Totally Unique Situation.
– My Man Is Valuable, So It’s Okay That It’s Different
– She likes Girl 2. Girl 2 is also Interesting and Hot. This plays squarely into PCG’s vanity.
– It’s Sexy
And one more thing: PCG has a jealousy fetish. I’m sure a beta would enrage her by this, but in my frame, right now at least, she gets hugely wet. Any guy who fucks hot women will see this from time to time.
I think it’s genuine Jealousy Fetish or Harem Fetish, or Something. Instead of being linked to hotness, I think it’s linked to the (related) vanity.
New Situation: If equally hot/high SMV woman 2 wants him, it ACTUALLY MAKES WOMAN 1 FEEL BETTER. *Proof* of said then becomes a compliment to woman A.
Yeah. I experience that with M (woman 1) this summer. What’s more cognitive dissonance sets in. If ! lets her man have so much that other American women don’t, 1’s man must be a tremendous find, or 1 wouldn’t want to do it.
Something like that. PCG doesn’t feel like W2 is really competition in a long-term sense. It’s true.
Me: I’ve kept up the straight-up attitude all along. I’ve never even feigned guilt. Taken responsibility, yes. I’ve been incredibly blunt about my own feelings. And honest at all times.
That’s key. Guilt would be a killer.
I didn’t even engineer this. I did *nothing*.
Not this time, anyway.
I’ve almost never complimented her. She walks in, I smile, chat, move on; other men fawn on her like she’s the Queen.)
You must have fucked her real good, in addition to the alpha attitude and game.
Typical story: Orgasms free sex most of the time. May not be alpha, but I say: Fuck your woman properly. Make her sing and you get laid. Go down on her on the first date. Make her weep and ache. I don’t care what game thinkers say, make women ache for it and you can’t lose.
Which I image she feels you’ve amped up.
*HAVING* PCG makes a difference there. Same DHV.
Her wanting a much richer guy for a husband helps make it work. It makes her no real threat to PCG, in addition to the assurances from your side which PCG believes.
Also, it makes me able to deal with W2 on a more real level: She sees me as “real” man, not one of her “Targets”.
If I were you I would find out from PCG what they talked about and what any understanding they might have is. Knowledge is power.
I spent the weekend and much of the week with the two of them. My brain is overwhelmed. I’m not asking how the magic works yet. PCG wants to negotiate with her “friend” over access to her cool guy, and not ask the man, fine by me. Sets an interesting tone for the relationship. I can only imagine what it does for the future of it. Can I maintain Alpha Man until I’m 55?
This is a fuck buddy situation sort of the first time I described way up thread. The difference is she didn’t leave you heartbrokenly or semi for your unwillingness to be exclusive and commit on the road towards marriage, but because she wanted to hunt for a richer guy to marry her.
How I met Woman #2 was a different story. It was a seduction and was always sexual. For most men, she’s unavailable. For money, ie real money, like really rich guys and not just regularly rich guys, she’s a golddigging skanky ho. Exactly like so many hot Korean women it’s not worth mentioning. Her first comment to a friend about the man she’s dating: “Nuna! You know, he owns half the moon, and his family’s in shipping. You should see his houses…” Not a word about the guy. Just his money. Her “quality” people are rich and/or beautiful, but basically rich first. Non-rich people might as well drop dead for all she cares. She’s absolutely a typical hot Korean chick.
That said, she “dated” me. In other words, “dating” (ie, fucking) is not “marrying” over there.
BTW, this is even more true in China, for all the Sinoretard men out there.
Works just as well and much that same. Easier even. You’re still serving as her interim alpha stud til she finds her likely only greater beta rich guy. There’s less of an issue having to manage her falling back in love with you.
I’m not a target for her. I suspect I’d be able to bang her even after she was married. Strongly.
Depending on how slutty she is she may still want to see you as her FB while she dating and sleeping with husband candidate rich guys, trying them out.
We did that for a year and a half (maybe less) after we met. It was a hard call getting her into bed: when I did, I made sure it was discreet and played her game.
She might even want to after awhile post marriage.
She’s precisely the type of girl. One of the reasons I suspect she’s *not* married. Also, she’s aging well.
Or she might want an exclusive and devoted not so rich alpha bf if she can find one as her place holder relationship while she looks for a rich guy.
I would *never, ever* trust this woman in a LTR. For a Korean guy looking to score arm candy, she’s gold. Which is the problem.
But you’re less trouble cause she doesn’t have to hide from you what her true ultimate mate intentions are.
IE, none.
So it can be kinda stable, especially if you encourage #2 Korean to not settle for less than some sort alpha rich guy, cause she’s so hot – using her vanity. Btw, is she about the same age as PCG?
Basically the same age.
In this climate, she won’t go off the shelf at 29, either, for rich Korean guys. Put it this way: As a hot Korean, she can score rich Chinese/SE Asian (hello Singapore)/Chinese/Japanese guys with no trouble.
Problem: She likes white dicks. Not black, oddly, because you’d think she’d be stepping out with the brothers, this kind of girl, but she thinks they’re little better than animals, and disgusting. Not trying to appease me, either. It’s typical for status-obsessed Koreans. More up you go, more charmingly racist (status-ist) they get.
The stability issue is more on PCG’s side I think. I’ve found that encouraging and sexualizing jealous works great. But you need a girl who’s somewhat emotionally masochistic for that. But that can be developed. Don’t make her relationship jealous, just sexually. Make her very sure that she’s the keeper; she the one you’re gonna marry and have kids with and love always.
This is the psychological issue for her: She’s turned on by jealousy. It makes her wetter than the Pacific. I’ve seen this before, and I’m sure it’s a thing with many women.
I think many have a Harem-mentality built in. Keyed to wanting to be with ALPHA GUY, or whatever.
This will make PCG more bound to you. Always reassure her that only she has your heart, and only she ever will.
Always do.
She lives with me. I share most of my life with her, introduce her as my “mate”, and have discussed what should be done in the future if I should wish it.
She knows I’m not having her on. So I think she’s in the game.
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So the korean flight attendant flys to Boston for work a fair bit, does she?
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Witness!
I have seen pix from Gorb, the girls are both 8.5-9 (and neither is my type, so I’m objective here). And he’s been keeping me posted all along and credits me with good advice at 3 or 4 key points. And he has hardly even mentioned the 3rd girl.
He’s been really lucky in a few ways, no amount of Game could have accomplished this except for some accidents of compatibility, but the whole saga could be a textbook.
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These women sound insecure. Flight attendants don’t marry well because everyone presumes they’ve been round the block and only make suitable mistresses for rich business men.
The women you have are hot.
But if you don’t sound happy with any of them.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
How long have you been having sex with Korean hottie, I mean since you’ve been with PCG?
Mishap in the fall on a business trip. Ended up staying with W2 when I went to Seoul, she essentially embarassed me into having sex. I went to her place when I couldn’t get to my hotel; it was harmless enough. Took a shower (rain, hot). She stepped in. As ex-lovers, it was easy. Explained it in detail, took responsibility (WTF was I doing there, really), and PCG both forgave me and when she met W2, there was some fire. Super-hot ex-lover? Holy crap, I could see her thinking, who am I dating? Wow. Intrigued by ex lover.
Ex befriended her (Super hot new GF. “I like hot chicks/beautiful people are better than normal people/let’s hang out and I’ll show you Seoul”). They’re, … friends.
It was creepy for a few minutes. I thought it would poison my little flowering relationship. Didn’t.
You said both girls like each other and arranged this whole thing together. But that neither are at all bi.
Wait, you did describe a threesome you did with PCG some months ago. Was it with Korean hottie?
Yes.
See above.
Is PCG generally/always present, or in the same room when you’re having sex w/Korean hottie? I’m trying to get an idea of the psychosexual dynamics, not get you to write porn.
Yeah, I have actual documentary evidence now, incidentally, so haters can fuck themselves.
And BTW, this shit turns out to be less uncommon than I thought. These days, almost boring. We’re to Germany circa 1985. Those Krauts are a whorish lot, all of them.
Does PCG also get jealous sometimes, as well as getting a charge from you’re being alpha enough to pull this off, and for her to want to give this to you.
Let me tell you: This was NOT about giving me shit.
Honestly, I have NO IDEA what went on. They went traveling for a few days together, warm, and then came back and W2 was staying with us. They arranged the first evening. I have no idea what the fuck PCG was thinking. I’m not privy to *anything* they discussed.
I was actually pissed off at first. PCG has this cat-like obsession with shit, she likes to be centered. You’re reading? Must sit on the book. You’re sleeping? Must beg for petting.
One thing that DID happen:
W2 has worked hard to befriend PCG. She invited her into her little circle of hot Airline chicks, they went partying together (several times – W2 comes to the States frequently, job), and they hang out.
PCg tried to set up W2 with some guy she knows, it was all boring as shit and they schemed. Instead, they come back from this trip, announce nothing, and within a couple of days, I’m sleeping with both of them.
You tell me what went on. I don’t even want to know the full details.
W2 actually TURNED DOWN other men.
So far, it seems open-ended. No idea if I can keep it that way.
Beyond the very obvious, there’s been no real talk. I acted like it was, well, fucked up and then just went with it.
What the hell would you do? 20 questions? Spotlight?
Maybe she THINKS I’m supposed to be banging two women all the time. I know it turns her on and appeals to her vanity.
I told myself I’d have to be Alpha for the rest of my life and not rest with this woman.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
I’ve found that sexualizing you love’s jealousy can be really powerful and really bind her to you. Found that this past summer. Have found that before too.
Male cuckold fetishists.
But on the other hand, I’ve been with lots of women who were turned on by the fact that I either had other women (ie, the married women especially – they’d often ask questions, and right after sex, got hot again thinking about the answers), or had had other women. That’s a consistent experience.
Doesn’t seem to be correlated with slutty/non-slutty or hot/normal, either.
Stories about being with other women told DURING sex is also a major hotness for some women. More than you’d think.
Sex is wired strangely in everyone.
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@Doug1
Ah, I see you’ve got some additional comments on another thread about chicks scoring free drinks.
So it seems that maybe that apocalypse opener FB is still your FB these days from time to time too?
Yes, this is true, but it’s basically done. I like her, she’s fun, and before this W2 thing, it was extremely occasional; just a stupid thing with PCG, but no longer interesting for her. Apolcalypse Opener FB likes me fine. But her friendship with PCG turned AO FB into a more “Sleeping with this guy is kinda weird if he has a GF no matter how it went” kinda thing. She’s relatively conventional and her tolerance for weirdness – even in this industry – isn’t all that high.
That said, I was at a dinner with folk and all three were there. AO FB made a few salacious comments (guessing at a few things) and I said, hey, what can I say. She thinks I’m very cool and clever and etc., but this is definitely the weirdest shit she’s ever experienced in her life. Dating a guy is one thing; knowing his GF casually and having had been in a threesome with the couple is just too freaky for her, long-term. Doesn’t suit her image of herself.
I suspect that there’s not going to be any repeats over there. But she’s a great person to know. Useful contacts.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
Woman #1, my paramour, is Persian and roughly as attractive as Sara Shahi (if Shahi is a 9, my beloved is an 8.4).
Sara Shahi is a 9.5-10. By a reasonable but still very tough scale of 10 (as opposed to a scale that attempts to show keyboard alphatude by being ridiculously tough) that says that at least 1/100,000 fit girls 18-28 (in an ethnic group the guy is attracted to) is a 10, and that .5 % or 1/200 of such girls is a 9.0. So that would make PCG a 9+
As far as I’m concerned, PCG is a 10. Solid. No debate for me. She’s the hottest women I’ve ever known in real live and I had “Catch that woman you stupid bastard” tattoed on my eyelids the moment she talked to me and lingered at my table the first time I saw her.
Other guys might not agree. Anyway, if they met Sara Shahi, the guys would probably think Shahi was hotter – but the difference would be incidental.
BY THE WAY, *lots* of Persian women are super hot. The all have the same sort of look, but one thing they DO have in spades, is some kind of feminine magnetism that attracts men like flies.
They also generally like super-macho guys.
Bonus: PCG is not Muslim. In fact, she distrusts Muslims.
I have a hate-on for Islam, for really good reasons, so this is a big point for me. If she was Muslim, I’d have to debate any kind of LTR with her.
I’ll take any opportunity to slag Islam. It’s gratuitous. And Muslims can kiss my ass if they don’t like it.
There, however, a shortage of classy hot chicks. These days, hot chicks seem to be, by and large, sluts.
If a chick is going to be slutty, I at least want her to have some class.
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Gorb–
PCG is a true keeper. Like my M.
Well played, fortunate guys.
There are gonna be other W2’s down the road.
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Gorb–
Yeah I know what you mean. I’ve flirted with Persian girls but never had a Persian lover. I hope to rectify that.
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@Doug1
So the korean flight attendant flys to Boston for work a fair bit, does she?
She has 3 destinations she gets to all the time. She doesn’t get laid much, I do know that (believable reports). She has to be picky with her prospects: a slutty hot girl gets shit in Asia. A nice-girl hot girl can marry a rich dick when she’s 35 if she wants to.
But incidentally, being *hot* doesn’t make her a golddigger. It just makes her a bigger one.
Marrying a Korean woman is a dangerous occupation. And have no illusions – it’s an occupation. Bring the money.
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Gorb–
PCG is Zorastrian then?
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Or maybe Eastern Rite Christian?
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@Polymath
Witness!
I have seen pix from Gorb, the girls are both 8.5-9 (and neither is my type, so I’m objective here). And he’s been keeping me posted all along and credits me with good advice at 3 or 4 key points. And he has hardly even mentioned the 3rd girl.
She’s a very nice person. A good man would be lucky to have her.
He’s been really lucky in a few ways, no amount of Game could have accomplished this except for some accidents of compatibility, but the whole saga could be a textbook.
Actually, it all sounds more alpha than it really is, as Poly knows. But Alpha is as alpha gets.
Give me some small countries to conquer.
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Gorb
Well what you’re doing now and what I did last summer, with carryover to this fall, and have done before, is sort of the inverse of that. Submissive, emotionally masochistic males in the first case; submissive, emotionally masochistic (or able to be moved to that) females in the second, our, case.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
PCG is a true keeper. Like my M.
Well played, fortunate guys.
There are gonna be other W2′s down the road.
Ich frage mich, ich frage mich.
Anyway, irrelevant. I get lots of “but she doesn’t sound like mate material”. Well.
Nice stable chick wasn’t mate material, either. Already went down that road. 50% stat staring at me.
Might as well bite the biggest bullet you can if you’re going to do it.
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That last should bring in hater feminist women, such as Audrey, for near sure.
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Gorb–
Yeah but delay it out. Test her for long term living together. Age her out a bit too, truth be told. Don’t marry until ready to pump kids immediatemont. Then only w/my kind of prenup. You probably saw my recent slight compromises on that.
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@Doug1
BY THE WAY, *lots* of Persian women are super hot. The all have the same sort of look, but one thing they DO have in spades, is some kind of feminine magnetism that attracts men like flies.
Yeah I know what you mean. I’ve flirted with Persian girls but never had a Persian lover. I hope to rectify that.
Persians, not so many of them here. Lots in Germany and France (Europe generally). Tend to be educated and smart. Basically, white people who integrate well if Islam doesn’t poison them.
I’ve boned up on my Persian history. Basically, they’re Aryan Euro-types who butchered their way into the Middle East. Farsi even sounds like a European language in a way – it’s incomprehensible in the same way that, say, Greek is incomprehensible. It’s not the same way that Arabic or Vietnamese is incomprehensible.
It doesn’t sound at all like Arabic. Actually, the Iranians I know are shit on by Islam, but the non-observant Muslims seem fine.
I’m guessing the overseas ones are all 1979 refugees and such.
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@Doug,
I’ll settle for not Muslim.
Zoroastrian and weird archaic Christian or etc. are all good.
Bahai would be fine, too, they’re harmless. Weird, but harmless.
Let’s just leave it at that.
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@Doug1
Gorb–
Might as well bite the biggest bullet you can if you’re going to do it.
Yeah but delay it out. Test her for long term living together. Age her out a bit too, truth be told. Don’t marry until ready to pump kids immediatemont. Then only w/my kind of prenup. You probably saw my recent slight compromises on that.
The only reason to get hitched is kids. Even then.
I’m not some 26 year-old bumblefuck. I’m not because I was one.
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Gorb–
Yeah, I’m well aware that Persians are Indoeuropeans racially, with an Indoeuropean language. They’re closer to Europeans racially (I mean in geneticist Cavalli-Sforza and followers’ terms of when split off as largely separately interbreeding groups) that simitic peoples are. They probably “come from” the steppe between the Black and Aral seas, like other IndoEuropeans, including Europeans.
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@Miss. Cynic
These women sound insecure.
Um, maybe. My beloved might be insecure, (who isn’t), but not that much. Not more than your average unattractive woman, with no education. Actually, a lot less insecure than that.
“She’s insecure” is the usual response of women who just can’t get why other women do the stuff they do. I don’t know about every case, but in this one, I can pretty squarely say, nope.
She’s also not a slut. In fact, if she got more glued to me, I wouldn’t be able to go out the door. She had a shockingly small number of guys for a girl with her circle. Of course, she could be lying, but not by a whole lot. I always presume such things are lies. But it can’t be a huge lie. Her self-perceived SMV is so high, most men can’t get near her half the time. I know she’s been around with a few alpha men, but I can tell you – no longer relevant.
So what is it? This:
People are weirder than shit.
Flight attendants don’t marry well because everyone presumes they’ve been round the block and only make suitable mistresses for rich business men.
They only want the rich businessmen, so this works out.
And as far as mistresses go, these guys actually – stupidly – marry them.
Of course, these are men with a few mistresses stashed all over the place. They marry the hottest one and then keep the juices flowing. But this is the privilege of money in Asia.
The women you have are hot.
But if you don’t sound happy with any of them.
Are you kidding?
My girl has made me reconsider the value of being alive. Love may be some chemical effect, but if it is, I say drug me up.
If I had kids with my ex and we stayed together and etc., I’m sure life might have been just as freaky.
I told one friend about all this, and he just said–
So what?
Not worth mentioning. By 40, half the men he knew were living bizarro lives that were barely mentionable.
These days, college kids do crazy shit I never touched. There are more swinger’s clubs than subway stops in lots of European cities.
British women are the biggest sluts on Earth – easily the easiest white women to get into bed anywhere on this planet, more than HALF of their kids being born without a husband – and this after 3 generations, from most boringly conservative women in Europe.
German men who haven’t been in multiple threesomes are getting hard to find.
German WOMEN who haven’t done more than most porn stars are statistically nonexistent. You get a German girlfriend, you’d better be be the shit in bed. Speed up or get out.
Time was not too long ago German chicks were diligent Hausfraus.
So what do you want to say?
Who’s conventional any more?
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Gorb-
Dont know why you dont have a blog. I guess posting on here is good enough though. Your post are top notch.
Will you give a breakdown on how you picked these 2 chicks up? Like the first interaction. Thanks
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Gorb
🙂
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Gorbachev,
The persian girl doesn’t love you. If she loved you, she would hate the idea of another woman touching you. It would wreck her.
But she enjoys this tepid threesome sleaze.
And that tells you all you need to know.
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Gorb
I think people sometimes use stats as rationalizations for their predispositions.
Fact is the future is only knowable in hindsight.
But if you want to predict the future, stats aren’t always the best way. Odds are small that you’ll roll a dice and get a 1 a hundred times in a row. But if you do that, your odds one again are still one in six. Stats can mislead you. For instance people read the graph that shows how long people stay married correlated with number of sex partners for the woman, and on seeing a 10 or 20% difference conclude that it’s wisest to go as chaste a girl as possible for marriage. That 10 or 20% difference in one variable could confound you.
No, my experience is growing a trust in my instincts. With caveats. I know I’m driving with partial vision, and am not even planning the full route, but I’ve got instincts, and I trust em. And they are not confounded by stats.
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Oh – I didn’t mean to say it was irrelevent that the good girl wound up being a shitty wife – I meant to say that “good” girls are not necessarily the best wives, and that a gut instinct is better than a statistical analysis.
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Miss Cynic–
He sounds ecstatic about PCG particularly, but also about having hottie Korean as an occasional fuck buddy, when she’s in country.
And you miss Cynic sound like a very rigid minded and not very smart woman.
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n/a
You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is way out of your league. Go away.
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@xsplat
But incidentally, being *hot* doesn’t make her a golddigger. It just makes her a bigger one.
🙂
You know what I mean.
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@n/a
Gorbachev,
The persian girl doesn’t love you. If she loved you, she would hate the idea of another woman touching you. It would wreck her.
But she enjoys this tepid threesome sleaze.
And that tells you all you need to know.
Sleaze? The world is – and women are – weirder than most people think.
I haven’t spilled everything, but trust me – she loves me. She’s given me daily proof of being overwhelmed with love and devotion. She just isn’t small-town-America.
Among some of her European friends, no tale of sordid intrigue would make them blink. We’re all a bunch of Puritan zealots.
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@xsplat
I think people sometimes use stats as rationalizations for their predispositions.
Fact is the future is only knowable in hindsight.
But if you want to predict the future, stats aren’t always the best way. Odds are small that you’ll roll a dice and get a 1 a hundred times in a row. But if you do that, your odds one again are still one in six. Stats can mislead you. For instance people read the graph that shows how long people stay married correlated with number of sex partners for the woman, and on seeing a 10 or 20% difference conclude that it’s wisest to go as chaste a girl as possible for marriage. That 10 or 20% difference in one variable could confound you.
No, my experience is growing a trust in my instincts. With caveats. I know I’m driving with partial vision, and am not even planning the full route, but I’ve got instincts, and I trust em. And they are not confounded by stats.
100%. Instincts make the difference. I could shack up with a chaste, pure little waif and she might still go to town on me.
Nah. I figure go with your gut.
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@Whitey
Gorb-
Dont know why you dont have a blog. I guess posting on here is good enough though. Your post are top notch.
Will you give a breakdown on how you picked these 2 chicks up? Like the first interaction. Thanks
I should have my own blog, but a warning -it all sounds great here, but I’m not the natural alpha that Roosh and Roissy seem to be. A lot of shit I wouldn’t want written, and I’d have to write some of it. It sounds much better this way.
Still, I’m happy to go by results. Playing Alpha Guy with a bunch of guys feels too gay for me.
On to chicks:
W2, Airline stewardess:
We met years ago in Korea. It was a chance pickup. We chatted and got slightly drunk after hours. It was a work-thing. I was hobnobbing with some friends for a potential project. She’d been invited by some of the women with a few others, and was only peripherally there.
She was the most gorgeous Korean I’ve ever seen in real life who wasn’t actually a media celebrity. She’s 28 and as hot as she was when she was 23 (I’ve seen pictures), if not hotter. She has few physical flaws of any kind. She actually worked as a model as a teenager, but was difficult to work with and her parents would have none of it.
She was a total money-whore, and it was painfully obvious. To say she socialized with a purpose understates it. We danced (latin), alcohol fueled a bit of sexual tension. At one point, I had her close, gave her a smile, and by the style of the dance, close but not obvious, and then obvious but not close, call it “salsa game”, it became a pickup. I had her attention.
I totally and whorishly without an once of shame used my job to leverage my way into her life. After some hotfooting it, I pulled no punches and dismissed any pretence of romance. I invited her to a hotel, she demured but didn’t say no, like the attention-whore she is, and I dared her. In a total non-sequitur, I said in loud and “impolite” Korean (ie, dropped tone hard and fast and used a very crass form) exactly what I was gong to do with her at some point that night. It took her aback and I continued on with the rest of the conversation ad if I’d said nothing.
Game was ludicrously necessary with this girl. I ran it hard and fast from the very beginning and was crassly CRASSLY sexual right from the get-go when we left a cheap restaurant. The first chance I got I put my hand between her legs and pushed her up against a wall, got in close, told her to come to X hotel with me (a few doors down) before we went to X. I didn’t kiss her; just got close. She seemed somewhat shocked by my directness, but in fact I was running out of tricks. Without a word, she went with me, and we never made it to the evening date; we were there all night. That was our first night. After that, I saw her once a week for about three months. There was no social interaction with her social group. We talked, but I made sure we *always* had sex and she was thoroughly serviced. If we got together, even if it was a brief moment in the day, it would work out to sex at some point. It was hard, too, but I made sure she associated me with fucking. I also knew I wasn’t appropriate for her social circle and never once tried to insinuate myself into it. I *did* engage her personally, in every other way.
I dismissed her as a vain, empty-headed Rolex-chaser at first, but with a sculpted ass and a to-kill-for look. She turned out to be a vain, not stupid rolex-chaser who behaved like a self-absorbed minx.
In other words, she’s a hot Korean.
For about a year we’d meet up and talk and have sex. I was always busy, so she had a hard time seeing me. She almost got married. She balked at the notion of a prenup (its Korean equivalent), and called it off. Marriage for her was about this: MONEY AND STATUS. Anything else was secondary. In this, she’s like most other Korean women with looks or social status.
W2 always came back for sex, though she’d play her “You’re lucky to be in my presence” game that I dismissed easily- make sure you turn the woman down from time to time, it drives the hot ones insane. Just when they’re getting tired of you or some super hot guy comes along, you seem to be losing interest so she has to test you out some more.
When you get past the bullshit, she’s not a bad gal. But getting past the bullshit can be a chore.
Anyone who seriously considers marrying a girl like this is applying for a full-time high-stress job. And still, virtually every Korean guy I know would line up for the chance.
I didn’t see her after I got more serious with another Korean girl.
This kind of woman is like a kitten: You need to play, and play hard, and if you do, even if they jump back, they lunge in again when you give them the right look. I honestly loved banging her, because when you got past the “she’s so hot” effect, she was real and fun. And then, she was also HOT. So you could appreciate it and just enjoy it. And not get too emotionally attached, because she was also a machiavellian schemer.
She’s NOT a skanky ho – a dude needs to bring it to get with her. Roosh could probably pick her up in the right social situation, but I’ll put money on this: there’s no guarantee. It’s not hard; she’s not immune. Not different from other women – just specific. She has MAJOR ASD installations all over her brain. Like every Korean woman, she’s EXTREMELY sensitive to what *other* people think about her, so if you’re going to game a chick like this, you need to be in the right situation to run it.
It means if you walk in a side-alley and push her up against the wall, it makes a real fucking statement to a Korean woman like this in that environment. When she’s very comfortable with you and the fact that you want her. In other words, what might SEEM like disrespect comes across as “I will fuck you and you will do it”, and she let herself do it. On the other hand, ACTUALLY being seen would not have the same effect as it would here: it would likely knock you out of the game.
You need to adapt to the local culture and play to the specific sensibilities. Korean culture may block you sometimes; but it also offers opportunities to *break* the rules in strategic ways that gives you a lot of power.
Alpha Korean guys do this all the time. I’ve seen it. Most Korean guys can’t imagine it; Alphas there fuck women like it’s going out of style, because they’re extremely good at properly breaking the rules. I worked with some guys who were hard-core Alpha Koreans and they knew what they were doing. On the other hand, I had something else: I can’t convincingly run asshole game, but I got good at making women comfortable and while being openly sexual at the same time. That was unusual for a lot of women there. Couple it with being a foreigner, and it was gold.
I played up this: not being integrated into their social circles, there was no social consequence for Korean women. And I was discreet. With Korean guys, they’d often have to pretend to be non-slutty. With me, I didn’t pretend to be Korean, even when I understood the culture. With me, they could be openly sexual and have no consequences.
W2 responded to all of this easily.
In my case, it was situational and I ran hard and fast on her the moment I got her comfortable. She did the whole “Well, look at me, give me attention” thing, “Oh I know you men all want me, look at me, I’m such an attractive woman”. I’d walk away and be busy. It was easy, because I was. I desperately wanted to pound her – she was a serious prize, don’t let my disdain come out – but it was easy enough to run good game when you’re distracted.
That continued for a while and she kept me her tidy little secret.
In Asia, she was the second hottest woman I ever had. Alas, her character flaws were substantial and there was no chance I’d pursue anything more than an ongoing FB thing with her.
That said, she was actually fun to be with and I enjoyed being with her far more than most other women. Reason: Once you get past the shit, two things hit home
– She’s fucking gorgeous and having sex with a hot woman who likes sex and is straightforward compensates for a lot;
– Her being hot meant that we could get past it and interact like normal people. And when that’s said and done, *she’s still hot*.
She appreciated that about me. I didn’t fawn on her for a second. My fawning took the form of fucking her stupid.
I’d laugh at her all the time and point out her inanities. I ALSO didn’t hang out with her hot little friends or touch her social circle, so she could be “real: with me, because she’s *not* real with most of the people she knows. Her ego is enormous, but *I* offered her the chance to do something she never got to do: Relax and be herself.
I didn’t try to be an asshole, but I never coddled her or ingratiated myself. And I never, ever broached the subject of a relationship or pretended anything about it – I dismissed her talk of it (because knew it was just ego-flattery she was after: “All men should want me!”; there was never any chance of a permanent relationship other than being FBs). I made it clear I just wanted her for occasional time and sex and friendship. She gave me all three. Tellingly, unlike most women, she NEVER tried to translate it into “Maybe we could be together” or “What kind of couple would we be”. She was coldly uninterested in anything but companionship-lovers-sex. Actual relationships were for guys with, ahem, means and who were “serious” and “stable” – IE, very, very rich. Not very rich: Very, very rich. These guys did court her. She’d hold out on fucking them while she was spending nights with me.
You tell me about the nature of women. All women are the same when you get down to it. Play the game right.
I’ll bet I had more access to her pussy, more often and more enthusiastically, than a lot of her BFs, who had to dish out for it. I actually spent less on her, I think, than on any other woman, because we didn’t really “date”. She gave me more money-attention (picking up small bills, reserving shit, etc.) than I gave her. I think I once paid for a “real” hotel.
The hottest woman I was with in Asia was yet another airline stewardess, who I met indirectly through W2 over time. These women are hired more or less because they’re hot. Nothing else really figures for it. Once you start to hang out with these people, if you’re not a weak idiot, your chances of banging some of these women go way up, especially if you’re not boring (they hang out with pretty alpha guys a lot).
They didn’t know each other but it was W2’s professional contacts that got me close, indirectly. This Japanese woman was one of the few Japanese women I was ever with. However, despite the fact that she was so absurdly sexy it made me want to record it for posterity to prove it wasn’t a dream (let me give you an idea: Think hottest Japanese porn star. There are a few, pick the hottest one, the top ones are all absurd. Then add more class, a touch of coquettish distance. Make her 26 years old. And then make her about 10% hotter. Women you look at and, in your Beta state, think: Not even human the same way I am).
But: That was just a hookup. From the beginning, it was sex: she picked me for sex, likely because she was bored. We were in a third country. There was little enough game, surprisingly. She went to bed with me without any hard work on my part. There was no “tit for tat”. She wasn’t obviously slutty. She didn’t seem desperate. She saw me a couple of times more, then it became impractical. Of interest: sex with her was oddly cold, if very, impressively competent. She also liked it (but not “inappropriately”). It wasn’t like I suspected she was a professional or a porn star.
I later thought that that might have actually been better. A professional who was sleeping with you out of choice would have had more emotion. This woman knew what men liked, was experienced, skilled, and was good at enjoying herself (which is *usually* fantastic). But it was oddly disconnected from any kind of emotion.
It was like she was, … can’t quite place it. She was the most physically attractive woman I’ve been with in Asia, even more than W2, though at that level it’s hard to care. And it was certainly technically and objectively very good sex, and the second time had a particularly hot element to it, which made it memorable. And yet, it was weirdly unsatisfying, slightly off. And here’s where “hotness” and skill etc. fail. There was something about the attitude among the Japanese, especially her, that put me off. But when I mentioned it to a few guys living there, they nodded their heads and told me stories. I get the impression that Japan, for all its Asian sameness, is just different enough to be weird. Everything is slightly off there.
Korea was basically not that foreign. China felt like a kind-of more direct, more brutal and more viciously honest America. And vicious is the precisely correct word.
There’s something inscrutable and weird about the Japanese.
On the other hand, W2, being Korean, wasn’t that foreign to me. Materialistic to an extreme no American woman can possibly be, yes. Status-whoring, yes. Contemptuous of others, yes. Vain, hot damn, yes. But none of that weird Japanese, … stuff. I could actually relate to her as a fellow human and as a guy who was occasionally fucking her.
Other guys who’ve been to Japan will know what I’m talking about. Japanese girl would just get up and get dressed after a few hours as if we’d had a game of tennis or something. If I said anything, she’d come over and start servicing me, like it was nothing; then she’d use me for herself. Yet she could still be enthusiastic. It was all so utterly pragmatic I didn’t know how to feel. She could have sex like she was scratching an itch. It was literally nothing to her, and yet, was still the same. I felt oddly — used? Grateful? Pleasured? I’ve never been with a pro, not knowingly, anyway, or paid for sex: is this what it’s like? With this woman, it wasn’t the same experience. Not that it wasn’t hot. Just. Something.
Even when it was down to sex, most women I’ve ever known weren’t this— cold about it. I’m not like that.
Other guys who sleep with Japanese women might be able to identify why this happens. I’ve never given it much thought; my experience in Japan is somewhat limited. After one or two other experiences, I’ve never been tempted by Japanese women.
PCG
My beloved, I met over coffee. She was slumming it working as an assistant manager of a coffee shop. I got to know her over time and charmed her with conversations in my three languages (which she coincidentally happened to speak; I speak one natively, another pretty well, having been there many times and done some school there, and the third not badly). We had an instant intellectual connection, and I keyed into a pickup when she sat down on the arm of my chair and chatted energetically with me about various brands of intellectual BS that I’m more than trained to be fluent in. I had my college BS shoveled into me as much as anyone. I can dish it and not sound like an inappropriately right-wing dick, which I more or less am.
I threw on my deepest charm and my most reserved cheekiness. I could see her skepticism when I had her out dancing, when we met outside her place (I’m nothing like what she hung out with, she didn’t know what to make of me, I was going into LJBF zone easily), and then turned on the mega-game right away. I could smell LJBF coming fast. Had it been 5 years ago, there’s no way I could have avoided it. Only being LJBF’ed so many damned times kept it from happening again.
I called it “Nuclear Game”. I’d be all normal and whatnot and then drop bombs. I was friendly but offered her no obsequious mewling. I was VERY touchy-feely but not overtly sexual. I keyed right into her Euro-class sensibilities.
Okay, and I should say: we’re socially well-matched. I can play up the game as much as I want, but I was also lucky. With another woman, it might not have been as effective.
Most importantly, I always engaged her brain AND NEVER GAVE HER AN INCH when she spouted nonsense. She spent much of her education in Europe, so she could take it without being offended (it’s a very French thing: You can be direct to the point of being a prick and not look like an asshole). I was direct, to the point, and without being a huge dick was able to demonstrate my educational and intellectual superiority in subtle but devastating ways. While still respecting her. That kept her talking and talking and talking until she had huge comfort zone tingles.
I didn’t kowtow but showed interest; I was my most James Bond I’ve ever been. I thought about every move.
She was classy, smart, scorching hot, and waaaay outside my usual zone (here); I was vastly out-competed by other guys. And I wanted her hard. So I actually planned out stages; Calling her, dropping words etc.
I took a page from one playbook and kissed her in public at a salsa club and then walked out, as it if was no big deal. It was our first kiss. The first time I had the chance to have sex, we got hot and then I walked out, without making it seem like it was a ploy (which it half-was). That had a massively destabilizing effect on her emotional resistance.
I endured – endured – several social events where she had her orbiters and various hangers-on, including one guy I knew she was sleeping with who was tall, handsome, Persian, rich and well-educated. I endured them with easy social manners. I never, ever once questioned what she was doing or who she was with. I was unconcerned. When she offered me snippets of information, I casually absorbed it and didn’t seem to care.
From what I know, her image of me went like this:
– Interesting guy in coffee shop, interesting background.
– Good to talk to. Nice friend.
– Seems to be uninterested in my tits. But still sexual.
– Likes me, but isn’t making his move. Has lots of options. Maybe has a GF.
– For some reason I find him attractive. I don’t understand it.
– Please fuck me.
That pretty much summed it up.
As it went, I ran hard game from time to time. Then I fixed her life in a few ways. She loves it.
She thinks I’m the man. She looks up to me, and I respect her enough that I see her as my partner. But she defers to me all the time.
She’s smitten. She tells her friends this. She’s decided she’s somehow going to keep me. She knows I’m skittish about getting married. She talks about kids. She follows my lead.
I’m absolutely in love with pretty much all of her. Like any guy, I’m suffering from a hard case of one-itis growing in me like kudzu on steroids.
I will make her have my babies.
I will make her mine.
Oh yes.
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Gorbachev,
“…Like any guy, I’m suffering from a hard case of one-itis growing in me like kudzu on steroids…”
That can blind you to certain realities.
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Gorb, you made it sound too easy, there were several places you almost blew it, would be instructive for folks here.
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sex with her was oddly cold, if very, impressively competent.
I know what you mean about the Japanese girls. I’m not sure, but I think there are still a lot raised to be particularly chaste, and not to give off any slutty vibes. I’m thinking Kyoto girls. Roppongi girls are another matter.
So they’re trained to not show emotion. That’s why it’s so weird when you bang ’em. It’s like having sex with a replicant.
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Gorb, great breakdown. Sounds like a good point to start a blog. Anyway, much appreciated.
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@Gorby….
Interesting breakdown on the Korean girl.
One thing I’ve found living in Asia, girls…Korean, Japanese, Chinese…love being completely banged by some guy who’s going to take charge…..but within their own cultures, they often feel “embarrassed”.
The girl I’m now seeing…somehow has this intersting allure. Sex is like a kitten and that somehow gets these local guys all mushy and weird. They make awkward moves.
I never did. That intrigued her. I asked her out. Then held back. She saw me all the time with other girls.
She knew more about my background with women than I did…to the point I actually had to dial-it-down with her so I could be attainable.
When I did make my move, it was like she was waiting for it.
She’s the most sexual woman I’ve ever met. Shy at first…but when she lets go, she’s wild.
She has orbiters. All Chinese girls have these beta guys that kind of provide some kind of stimulation.
I instilled dread…then pulled back. She now gets it and knows where the line is.
Also, she thanked me…yes…said “Thank you”…after I banged her to multiple orgasms.
She loves being gamed. She games. She’s not nasty but like most women she is selfish and she is competitive. But she goes all out for me when I ask her to do things.
So a woman in love is a site to behold but it’s something a guy can’t take for granted.
That is where game comes in. Knowing when to amp up being the asshole and when to pull it back.
Knowing when to disappear so she asks “YOu left early last night?” while she’s with her orbiter…and knowing enough never to acknowledge but rather reframe: “Yah, I had another appointment…”
Game is a toolbox. At the heart of it all is a sexual confidence.
The girl I’m seeing wants to be dominated…but not by everyone.
She loves regaling me with stories of various awkward passes guys made at her. I listen. Sometimes I ignore….Sometimes I get angry just to show her I am listening. Other times I just change the subject.
It confuses her. That’s game.
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@Tim
sex with her was oddly cold, if very, impressively competent.
I know what you mean about the Japanese girls. I’m not sure, but I think there are still a lot raised to be particularly chaste, and not to give off any slutty vibes. I’m thinking Kyoto girls. Roppongi girls are another matter.
So they’re trained to not show emotion. That’s why it’s so weird when you bang ‘em. It’s like having sex with a replicant.
Excuse me, Tim–
CHASTE? Are you serious?
The woman was *with* me after meeting me, and we hit it off; there was enough but somehow cursory conversation and mingling before we ended up in bed; and she was consummately enthusiastic (almost rigidly so) and competent. Not only that, she was extremely good at enjoying *herself*, too. There was no point nor any reason in even pretending to be chaste. We met a number of times before it became impossible, and clearly it could have continued for some time. I wasn’t under the impression that I was the only man in her life. I suspected all along there was a Japanese man (though never had anything even remotely like proof – just hints), some guy courting her or some such thing.
I’ve gone over it – at the time and later – and I just find it odd. More to the point, the whole “replicant sex” thing was consistent with the couple of other Japanese women I was with, including one TV exec who made herself available for trysts unbidden by me; I was convenient, available, not ugly, foreign and completely unconnected to her incestuous little Japanese media world. Usually, we were extremely friendly and communicative with each other. In bed, the sessions were oddly disconnected – like the other Japanese women I knew – and it was more perfunctory and businesslike than usual.
Had these been professional sex-workers, I might have understood – but from what I’m told (never having had paid for sex), even there, there’s some passing relating going on.
No idea why the replicant-Borg like sex thing was happening. I tried to ask a couple of times why X or Y was this way, and I never got even an acknowledgment of anything. The stewardess actually said there was nothing wrong, she liked me, please see me again, are you trying to tell me you don’t want to see me any more? etc.
See – it *sounds* enticing on the outset, like being asked to occasionally bed some hottie without strings, and while this would appear to be a Male fantasy, the actual reality worked out to be less enticing (for me).
I’ve never managed the pathologically distant Alpha-male frame of mind where your whole focus is the penis. At least, as some men describe it. I always interact on a human level (at the very least) with any woman I’m with. It’s why certain situations I find uncomfortable, no matter how Notch-worthy they are.
Not all guys are sociopaths.
BUT
I think there’s a utilitarian streak to the Japanese (men and women), or a deep burial of emotions of any kind where they can hide who they are. And if you’re not privy to the secret, or the mode of thought, you might as well not try interacting.
No idea.
Anyway, my experiences in Korea were infinitely better (Korean women are basically understandable – they’re even more emotionally volatile than Americans, waaay more than other Asians, same is true for the men) and in China, well, the Chinese are the most noxiously human people I’ve ever met: contradictory, mercenary, direct, loyal, disloyal, calculating, irrational, arbitrary, directed. Every basic fact about humans is laid bare with the Chinese. Saying anything about “Chinese” is almost a nightmare.
It’s like German verbs. Sure, there are rules (some Chinese fit stereotypes), and there are overall patterns, but there are so many damned exceptions, virtually ANYTHING said about China and Chinese people is true. The place is uncategorizable.
Cheating bastards – yes. Dishonest to the core? Yes. Admirable? Yes.
The women: Chaste, in a way, yes. Slutty? Fuck yes. Disloyal? Damn straight. To a point. Cultural context.
But Japan, … for about a year, I wanted some documentary evidence I’d been with this woman, but in truth, I never fought hard to meet up with her again, though she sent me cryptic (really cryptic) emails from time to time. I could have pushed and met her in various places (we met once in Kuala Lumpur for a week), and even pursued a relationship of some kind, but very tellingly, I didn’t. I always thought about it – and never lifted a finger, really. Then I got involved with a really fantastic young Korean woman, whose heart I broke and who broke mine. One of my life’s regrets.
And yet, the Japanese woman wasn’t one of them.
Beauty and youth and hotness aren’t everything.
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@Polymath
Gorb, you made it sound too easy, there were several places you almost blew it, would be instructive for folks here.
Far too much to cover. I was very, very lucky. The trick was doing nothing when nothing was the best thing to do. And then doing something when that was the best thing to do. Specific something. But often indirectly.
Managed properly, it all binds the woman closer to you. It’s amazing how simple it is.
That said, likely not repeatable by me.
And at some point, I need to pony up.
I’ll see how far it can go. I suspect the wall approacheth.
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Gorbachev,
“I’ll see how far it can go. I suspect the wall approacheth.”
Why is that?
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