Kay Hymowitz writes in her new book Manning Up:
SCENARIO 2: The Darwinian Playboy. These are the guys who plan to live alone and have a lot of sex with a lot of women. Though they might hang around for awhile, they will never, ever be that into you. They lard their deep mistrust of women with convenient bits of evolutionary psychology. Some saw fathers, uncles, brothers or friends chewed up and spit out by ex-wives who had cheated on them but still got the house, the kids, and half their ex’s income. Others probably never recovered from their own experience of betrayal; others are geeks who, having spent much of their twenties invisible to women, are also in a vengeful frame of mind. Some of them are devoted followers of CH, a philosophically sophisticated blogger who uses his multitudinous sexual encounters to analyze the amoral nature of female desire; think Hefner via Dostoyevsky. Women, no matter how determinedly enlightened and independent, are turned on by smart, dominant males — not bullies, not necessarily billionaires, mind you, but guys who know how to communicate the right mix of self-confidence, aloofness, and charisma. Love and marriage, concludes CH, are just “pretty lies.” “Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value,” he writes. “No matter how much you love your kids, if a divorce happens (50% chance, 70+% chance the wife initiates it) you are going to be paying child support for the new lingerie your ex-wife buys to sexually please her blogger lover. Life is a parade of worry and high wire risk, of love and loneliness, and no socially manufactured arrangement exists to insulate you from your dreaded fears. To imagine otherwise is beta.”
The quote she attributes to this blog is from this post. I notice she decided not to quote more pertinent passages from that post, which would add context and shore up the argument presented against thinking marriage is a fail-safe way to lock a girl in.
Leaving aside for the moment the fact that there are a few writers contributing to the Chateau (gotta give shout outs where due), Hymowitz misunderstands (I’m generously interpreting her motives here) some of the beliefs held by the writers of this blog.
For instance, no Chateau author claimed that love is a “pretty lie”. In fact, just the opposite has been written: that love is the only thing in this world that isn’t bullshit. So right there, that small correction removes a big plank of her smear against “Darwinian Playboys” as merely heartless pump and dumpers with a chip on their shoulders against women. I mean, how can you demonize a Darwinian playboy who grasps the true nature of female sexual desire and the raw deal that is Western institutional marriage, but who also genuinely loves women and loves being in love with women? Makes it a bit more difficult, eh Kay? But hey, when confronted by a worldview that shakes one’s soul to the core, the urge to construct easily knocked down strawmen is a universal human cognitive deficiency.
Like most feminists and quasi-feminists (I include family values advocates and relationship complementarity libertardians in this bunch), Hymowitz’s hatred of evolutionary psychology is evident, and no wonder — it really does explain, rather elegantly, the behavior of men and women in the sexual marketplace. That women’s behavior can be so analyzed means that women’s actions can be predicted, and subsequently that men with this knowledge can tailor their behavior to get the most out of their interactions with women. Knowledge is a powerful thing, and knowing what’s up does, in fact, shift the balance of sexual power in men’s direction by removing the inscrutability and whimsy that has been the prerogative of women since time immemorial. Game means that it is no longer simply a matter of dumb luck when men get sex and love. Game, contrary to Hymowitz’s sneering dismissal, can increase the amount of love in the world by giving women more of what they desire in men.
Hymowitz, of course, can’t help but slander “Darwinian playboys” as wounded exes, geeks and mistrustful players. Do some men who learn about game fall into one or more of the above categories? Sure. But you could say the same for any group of men following anything. A proportion of white knighters and manginas who would agree with Hymowitz are emo geeks and limp-wristed hipsters who have to beg for table scraps from women. They sublimate their ineffectual effeteness into rage against “the Man”. You could call it a strategy. Mewling sycophantic betas occasionally hook pity fucks with sheer persistence and an effort to overwhelm their prey with egregious displays of phony sympathy. There are “real men” out there who suffered at the hands of ex-wives, or are bitter about having to return home every night to a waddling land beast, who would also balk at the concept of game.
The fact is that the majority of men who learn and use game are well-adjusted and successful in life, and simply want the tools to meet, seduce and bring more pleasure to beautiful women, or to meet and seduce that one perfect woman, fall in love with her, and minimize the chance that infidelity will tear them apart. Many men learn game simply to avoid getting dumped by women they love, and this includes wives swinging the divorce card like a sword of Damocles over their husbands’ necks. Is Kay prepared to say these goals aren’t noble, or aren’t in men’s interests? If not, why not? Kay, if you’re reading, you will be required to frame your answer without insufferable empty-headed references to honor or duty.
Speaking of shaming, Hymowitz has this to say about the supposed fate of the playboy:
Safe prediction: By his mid-40s, the Playboy is doing a comb-over for his balding head and wearing leather jackets to cover up his gut when he goes to bars to pick up women. Despite the fact that he tends to blather on about great bands of the 1990s, there are a few who are willing to sleep with him. Eventually, he’ll find himself seeing one of them and deciding to move in with her. He becomes a stepdad to her kids and begins to dislike her ex as much as she does. He’s not especially happy with his arrangement — he remembers the good old days when women appeared to him like an enormous, all-you-can-eat buffet — but now what’s the alternative?
Let your hate flag fly, Kay! It’s good fun, isn’t it? Yes, yes it is. Welcome to the abyss. You may now check your moral high ground at the door. You’ve no need for it in the hell matrix.
I’ve got news for ya, Kay. All those things happen to most people — men and women — whether they’re married or not. And have you never heard of long term relationships? I’m a big proponent of them, occasionally spiced with the varied fling. All the presumed benefits of marriage with none of the costs. As for single moms… well, if they’re attractive and slender, they’re good for a romp in the hay. Just don’t make the mistake of marrying them or spending too much time with their kids. Keep it short and simple. I recommend two to three months of fun. You don’t want the law to presume you the legal father.
Those balding, paunchy single men are still going to ignore you, Kay, for the hotter younger tighter competition. It’s nature. That some of them without any game and limited options may settle down with a middle-aged hag doesn’t mean they’re gonna like it. Twue wuv! The alternative is for these men to keep in shape and learn game. A man’s options in the sexual market are wide open compared to the options available to middle-aged women. And that’s what really chafes your hide, right, Kay?
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Glenn Reynolds takes a stab at explaining why he links to this blog (via Vox Popoli), and comes up a bit short.
The “game” stuff pretty much is for douchebags, or at least the otherwise hopeless. It involves taking the sophisticated approach that someone with actual interpersonal skills might employ, and boiling it down to a set of simplified rules that produce a sort of cartoon version — much as you might boil down social interactions into rules for an autistic person; the result is better than nothing, but not the real thing. But although it’s a cartoon — and focused largely on picking up women in bars, a fairly limited and artificial environment to begin with — the simplification process does reveal things that might otherwise be obscured or ignored. And it’s interesting to see some of these insights going mainstream. (The other thing you learn from perusing some of these sites is just how much some men need the help. And I’m not sorry to see them get it.)
First, everyone needs to stop throwing around the word douchebag so lazily and haphazardly. Douchebags aren’t hopeless with women. Just the opposite. Douchebags are pricks and assholes — usually gauche and lower class — who inexplicably do well with women. (Well, inexplicable to anyone who isn’t a reader of the Chateau. We here know the reason why chicks dig jerks.) Think of hotchickswithdouchebags.com, or some of the cast of Jersey Shore.
Most douchebags are naturals with women, probably because they aren’t smart enough to question their unwavering self-confidence. In fact, the best naturals with women mostly occupy the left hand side of the bell curve. The truly dangerous skirt chasers are the naturals with smarts. There aren’t many of them, but they do exist. They are unstoppable forces of nature, owing partly to their concomitant suite of dark triad traits.
Second, game isn’t cartoony at all. It’s actually quite psychologically advanced, which is why less intelligent men have problems understanding it, let alone applying it to real life. Some of the negs and routines are cartoony, but that’s a crutch for newbies who need something simple to start off with. As you get better at game, the cartoonish aspects merge and disappear into your core personality, so that the game you becomes indistinguishable from the real you. And that is the ultimate goal — to seduce without forethought. To live as a seducer in every facet of life, sexual or otherwise.
Third, game isn’t just about picking up women at bars. For fuck’s sake, this is a lazy, half-brained meme that needs to die already. The reality just doesn’t bear it out. My last three girlfriends were met, respectively, on the sidewalk, at a convention and during a bike race. That’s the beauty of game; it’s suited for every environment. There is no environmental limitation on female psychology. Women don’t desire one kind of men in bars and another kind of men at the mall. There is nothing magical about the bar that makes game work. It works everywhere.
The bar meme is silly in another way. The bar is no different in actuality than many other venues for meeting the opposite sex. Online dating, for instance, is nothing but a dry bar. (Unless you like to drink while staring at a computer screen in your gloomily lit bedroom.) Same thing for the park. You meet a woman walking her cat, and you hit it off, using the same or similar techniques you use on women in bars. The only difference is that neither one of you is clutching a drink close to your chest for comfort.
And how “limited” is the bar experience anyhow? It’s dangerous to get into sexual relationships with co-workers (thanks for nothing, feminists) and most people in the cities at least don’t go to church or temple. So the bar has become the go-to meeting place for people with a lick of social savvy who prefer face to face contact over ASCII courting. This is the reality of early 21st century Mexamerica. It’s either the bar or OkCupid for many people.
Game, in fact, can *open* new venues in which to pursue women. When you have the skillset to meet and attract women, you can meet them anywhere. No playground becomes off-limits. Go to the bar? Sure, after I’ve chatted up the girl at the Trader Joes.
A lot of people new to the science and art of game (like, presumably, Instapundit), tend to equate game with the bar and club scene. That’s a misconception. Bars are where a lot of men run game because *that’s where the greatest concentration of young, single women are*. It has nothing to do with the kinds of women who go to bars or the supposed artificiality of bars. It’s simply an opportunity calculation based on target demographic. Game itself is a universal tool of seduction, and shines in and out of bars. If anything, game tends to work better in places other than bars, where girls aren’t expecting to get hit on. Unpredictability is alpha, after all.

“My last three girlfriends were met, respectively, on the sidewalk…”
Witness!
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no Chateau author claimed that love is a “pretty lie”
Have to disagree on this one. I believe the claim is that love doesn’t feel like a pretty lie and thus can make one forget about its biomechanical origins.
At the very least you haven’t been consistent on this one.
[Editor: Cite? Seriously. Someone might have written something different. Just because love is a biochemical process like other human emotions doesn’t mean it isn’t worth pursuing, enjoying and elevating above the white noise of pedestrian status jockeying. Anyhow, if love is a pretty lie, I don’t want to know its truth.]
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dasdada
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‘a philosophically sophisticated blogger who uses his multitudinous sexual encounters to analyze the amoral nature of female desire; think Hefner via Dostoyevsky.’
No need to DHV this one.
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Middle age women HATE a middle age man who isn’t being controlled and used by one of them.
Mention Charlie Sheen to a middle aged woman and watch her reaction. HATE.
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First.
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Damn.
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Really, the whole “game is for bars” meme is stupid. I’m no PUA, but I’ve been able to successfully apply the principles of game in my interactions with women, and it has made life so much easier. Female cashiers want to talk to me, and bend over backwards to make checking out easy for me. I almost got a librarian fired when she bent the rules to help me avoid a fine. Even if you are not looking to have sex with as many women as possible, applying Game makes interaction with any woman much, much better.
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I’ve never picked up a girl in a bar in my whole life. But I’ve run a hell of a lot of game.
I just picked up a girl in a bar about 2 hours ago… late lunch is sometimes the best… but bars are by no means the preferred or only place for any smart “playboy”. Kay Hymowitz know this, but prefers to lie via omission just to sell books.
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I want to run some game on Glen Reynold’s wife. Meeoooww that is one spicy cougar~
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Game is real. It has always been real. There are just a whole bunch of guys who don’t know it’s out there. I played game back in the day but it wasn’t called game. So who cares? I still played it.
Today I struck up a conversation with a young attractive gal who was smoking a cigarette (yecch) but still looked very good. At first she was polite but dismissive but after a few moves on my part she turned towards me and gave me her full attention. I could see that glimmer of interest in her eyes even though I am old enough to be her father.
Nothing was going to happen. My goal was to get her talking to me and actually “interested in talking to me”.
She smiled and then laughed. We did the dance. It was a preseason game at best. Nothing on the line. But it was good to make the moves.
We all get older. No way out of that except early death. I am not going to get to die young and leave behind a decent looking body. I am still in shape but when I go, I will be old. I understand the game as it relates to me. I am realistic but I am not dead yet.
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Game, contrary to Hymowitz’s sneering dismissal, can increase the amount of love in the world by giving women more of what they desire in men.
Only partially true. Game makes men more attractive, but also less likely to commit. What it gives to women with one hand, it takes away with the other.
The fact is that the majority of men who learn and use game are well-adjusted and successful in life, and simply want the tools to meet, seduce and bring more pleasure to beautiful women, or to meet and seduce that one perfect woman, fall in love with her, and minimize the chance that infidelity will tear them apart.
The guys in the seduction community are some of the most fucked up people you’ll ever meet. Most of the commenters here aren’t much better. My general impression is that game practitioners tend to be kind of messed up. The better complaint against Hymowitz is that she is using an ad hominum argument: the weirdness of those who practice game says nothing about its truth value.
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By his mid-40s, the Playboy is doing a comb-over for his balding head and wearing leather jackets to cover up his gut when he goes to bars to pick up women. . . .
This is actually where Hymowitz goes seriously off the rails. It’s all pure revenge fantasy. First of all, game would teach the balding man to just shave it off. Second, while it is certainly true that you have to stay in shape to get younger women, it isn’t that hard, and this isn’t exactly unknown information. While there is a real danger of a player staying too long in the game, a cool man in his late 40s/early 50s who has stayed in shape can still snag a good looking, never married woman in her early 30s.
In sum, Hymowitz actually has some good analysis, but simply cannot overcome her female aversion to men doing things that aren’t good for women, even when those men are acting perfectly rational.
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i wonder what henry viii would do with kay’s head.
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bars and OKcupid are equivalents for a few reasons, one of them being the general dearth of quality, attractive women coupled with a surplus of men. a woman who is average gets inflated levels of attention and gives her an entitlement advantage to pick a guy who is out of her league. also, because it’s a venue that expects sex or the potential of a relationship, a woman’s protective shield will be up.
mediocre game on the street is probably equivalent to proficient game in a bar for the above reasons. in fact, since most men don’t have proficient game, game probably is most beneficial on a mean, net level in venues like seminars, the subway, or a library.
on top of that, it fulfills the kind of romantic wishfulness women have about meeting a man in any of the above “random” places. it legitimizes her ability to partake in it and “fall” for it.
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Kay is so bitter cunty but she still loves men. Any attention from a man will do. Back to your romance novel Kay,,,, see you in your dreams.
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I really wanted to get married but that ended a year or so ago thanks in part to your teaching.
Kay talks about the balding guy, with a comb over, and I thought that would be me someday. My remedy to the solution was get married now, so I’ll have a significant other locked down when I get to comb over years.
Unfortunately, I didn’t realize a woman would dump a guy for becoming beta. I didn’t know women started most divorces. I assumed til death do you part really meant something. I thought all of the cases of divorce were men trading up, when it’s the reverse.
I’ve said before there’s hard hypergamy and then there’s soft hypergamy. Hard hypergamy is you have to be better than other men, whereas soft hypergamy is you have to be better than her.
She’s describing a world with soft hypergamy where a well educated woman like herself doesn’t find many men better than her. At least she acknowledges for all the feminist bs WOMEN ARE LOOKING FOR SUPERIOR MEN.
At the very least, I’m glad she’s in the conversation, publicizing concepts and issues we discuss daily.
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To paraphrase Wooderson:
That’s what I love about these blogging girls, man. I get wiser, they keep saying the same dumb stuff.
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A challenge that exists when one sets out to explain the CR concept of “Game” is that quite a few out-of-the-mainstream ideas need to be clearly understood by the seeker before the thing itself can be appreciated. Without that as a base, it is quite unlikely that the causal reader will grasp even the meanings of the words in front of them, much less marvel at the internal consistency and explanatory power of this new paradigm. And I would say that this paradigm is new in the sense that the observations underlying it were made of behaviors that masses of human females have rarely if ever in the past been able to freely display. This Dark Science would be conventenial, self evident knowledge in a Baboon pack because Baboon chicks will never need much support from any given male. Only now, in this hedonistic but still rich and safe seeming modern world where once again woman do not feel they need a stick-around kind of guy can these baboon level female sexual instincts make their bloody fanged reappearance.
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I need to know three things about Kay Hymnowitz
1 – is she Jewish?
2 – is she married?
3 – how old is she?
Depending on the answers to these questions, I can predict with 99% accuracy her opinion on any subject under the sky.
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@Sofia
bars and OKcupid are equivalents for a few reasons, one of them being the general dearth of quality, attractive women coupled with a surplus of men.
Don’t conflate bar with dance club. I spent a lot of time in “bars” when I lived in college towns and the girls were plenty yummy and outnumbered the guys 2 to 1.
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Everyone here needs to email Glenn Reynolds at :
pundit@instapundit.com
..and show him this correction/rebuttal.
He is not a bad guy, and is generally sympathetic to the excesses of feminism. His wife, Dr. Helen, is one of few women genuinely concerned about the well-being of men.
But this ‘Game = Funny clothes’ nonsense has to be corrected. What about LTR Game?
Getting Glenn Reynolds educated correctly has value.
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gig,
Answers are :
1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) Over 45.
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Game is useful for everything.
It’s useful for interacting with people. All the time.
I haven’t picked up anyone at a bar in a long time. Dance clubs don’t count. How about banks? They’re unbarlike.
Game works everywhere.
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you are a phenomenal writer sir
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SV Warrior
Yeah, me too.
I taught myself game or what I thought of as the art of seduction way back in the pre so named game days from a starting point of greater beta in junior high. I was that instead of a lesser alpha at least then I think entirely because of home, media and school social conditioning, aimed at upper middle class and above white boys especially in the US.
I closely observed what a few of the guys best at it in my school did with cute girls that was different from what I and other non hopeless guys did. I also experimented and closely observed what worked and what didn’t when I did it.
I figured out social proof from other girls esp. early on, and also DHV. The neg, or playful teasing was harder to full grasp, as were how bad being too complimentary or nice guy to her was.
From day one of being interested in girls, I had zero doubt that I wanted to be charmingly or just plain dominant with them, in ways that they would accept. This cut against tons of my home and school social programing around white knighting, being a gentlemen and respecting women as equals (or really more than equals) in a feminist pushed way. Nonetheless I was totally sure it’s what I wanted; the challenge was to figure out how I could get girls to accept it. I had a pretty good idea how once they were interested in me enough I thought, but the challenge was getting them that interested.
It took me quite a while to realize that just being that way from the get go would generate interest big time, at least if I didn’t back off when they showed initial resistance (shit testing).
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As a corollary, he’s the leading exponent within the game community at any rate of gender realism.
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” Some saw fathers, uncles, brothers or friends chewed up and spit out by ex-wives who had cheated on them but still got the house, the kids, and half their ex’s income.”
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“Safe prediction: By his mid-40s, the Playboy is doing a comb-over for his balding head and wearing leather jackets to cover up his gut when he goes to bars to pick up women. ”
Her argument appears that the inevitable ravages of age are best enjoyed in bankruptcy and bitter memories…interesting take.
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“have to disagree on this one. I believe the claim is that love doesn’t feel like a pretty lie and thus can make one forget about its biomechanical origins.”
Yep, classic deconstruction which supposes alter the nature of it. Sugar tastes sweet because it has energy. Knowing that, how does it taste? Still sweet ?
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Bravo dude. You have love and enjoy women for any of this to work.
Being in love is rad.
Douchebags are fun to be around.
Kay Hymowitz sounds like she has more than a little pent up sexual aggression. High T, I wonder? Jewish chicks are usually raging perverts in the sack. I bet she’d like a nice back rub.
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and most people in the cities at least don’t go to church or temple
and how would YOU know that exactly, “J t J”?
[Editor: Jewish friends. ?]
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Winning!
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I mean, how can you demonize a Darwinian playboy who grasps the true nature of female sexual desire and the raw deal that is Western institutional marriage, but who also genuinely loves women and loves being in love with women?
I made a similar point yesterday:
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“Right thing? I don’t give a shit. Good man? Fuck you! Go home and play with your pud. You wanna good life – don’t close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can’t take this, how can you take the abuse you get in divorce proceedings?”
Haha I just watched that scene the other day and it popped into my head earlier.
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And FINALLY,The Rock has returned to The Chateau…!
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should i have added a ‘wink’ emote? i’ll overlook the neocon phraseology under the assumption you were addressing kay hymowitz (who really ought to take a cue from jon leibowitz and chaim levine)
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So she would rather have men like this?
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One subject that seems to have been skirted through all of this is the problem of female obesity.
If (only for the sake of argument) one dismisses male genetics, there are two pretty good reason for men to be fed up with women:
1. If you do not have self-control over what you put in your mouth and the will power to move your body, what other problems am I am going to have to deal with?
2. If that’s what you’re doing to your body, what would you do to any kids we might have?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Never mind the last part, rape and shit. That’s fucked up.
But I mean the part where he talks about NOT be dominant, NOT taking control, etc etc.
read the comments.
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Holy shit, all that’s left of her disingenuous argument is a steaming pile of ashes and goo.
Maybe even a year ago I would have been receptive to her views, being who I was at the time. No more. We know the truth around here.
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I have nothing to add to this rebuttal. Except for the fact that I live the life that many men my age would die for. One I am happy with and it is often in alignment with the principles of this blog. I do not come here for advice but for the reminder that I am right.
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I don’t understand all the negativity towards meeting people in bars, as if it isn’t real human interaction. I’ve meet some great guys in bars.
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Bars where the music isn’t too loud and you can actually have a conversation are what I’m talking about.
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There’s the inherent defensiveness of people when they hear about PUA’s. They assume it’s something tricksy and therefore slimy and therefore douchebaggy. Going the deconstruction route, it’s merely a social exercise regimen. VK didn’t get his muscles overnight, Roosh (if his story about being an omega is true) didn’t turn into a Roosh overnight. That’s why they call it sarging. You do it until you get into shape.
My friends who were naturals never ran out of girls until they married themselves out of the market. That is, there is no trick to this. Way before I ever heard of game, I tried to draw up some rules to emulate the successful. Rule number one is girls like guys. When a natural walks into a bar or whatever and a girl ends up approaching him with heavy IOIs, she wasn’t tricked into it, she wanted to meet a guy and she found one. And, word to the beta, it was never the “wrong time”. If the reasons for her attraction was his attitude or fearlessness, then everyone else is doing everything else wrong.
One of the next rules was something along the lines of shutting up, so even an amateur can figure out, like game, that you shouldn’t say something that disqualifies yourself from a girl’s affection. Not tricksy, just adaption.
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Can we get bylines in the Chateau?
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Game works in strip clubs – much better than $ does, I might add.
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It’s useful for interacting with people. All the time
Nyet, kamerad.
You don’t run game on men, specially men above you in any hierarchy (i.e., your boss). Aloofness works strongly against you if you try it with other men. And many men would react very badly if you neg them.
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She glosses over the facts of marriage 2.0 without bothering to address the male perspective. It’s breathtaking how solipsistic her comments on men truly are.
Everything is seem through the perspective of increasing the happiness of women. Not a peep to correcting the current injustices and misandry inherent in the current family law regime.
Newsflash, Kay, this is why marriage is obsolete. It’s a ridiculous gamble for an institution that confers no status.
Honestly who cares about live-in girlfriends or out-of-wedlock children anymore?
There is no real reason to be married.
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@ anon2
If the answer to 2 was “no”, then I would have 100% accuracy in my projections.
Anyway, from Russia’s policy in her near-abroad to the question of who is the legitimate ruler of Lybia to carbon credits and family law and affirmative action, I can tell you better than Kay Hymnowitz herself what she thinks of each subject
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“Safe prediction: By his mid-40s, the Playboy is doing a comb-over for his balding head and wearing leather jackets to cover up his gut…”
While the hate that Kay Hymowitz displays in this paragraph is remarkable, so is the apparently willful ignorance. Is this the typical fate of a PUA as he ages into his 40s? Well, there are actually examples in real life Hymowitz can examine. Is this what has happened to Mystery? To Neil Strauss? Did Hymowitz find ANY example at all of a successful PUA who became a pathetic, pot-bellied wretch by his mid-40s?
Hymowitz’s audience will mostly be unfamiliar with game and the seduction community. She presents herself as an honest broker, delivering the essence of her subject to her audience. And yet she gets so much wrong that she must either be willfully lying to her audience about game or so ignorant on the subject that even a writer as arrogant as she would realize that she didn’t know enough to act like an expert. Either way, what a shitty writer.
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game, shmame, moves… That’s the last part of nerdy jargon that makes things less clear. Basically what it is – be open and social yet aware of status games, don’t let anybody tool (lower status) you and most importantly don’t tool yourself (goofy smile, leaning in, laughing at own jokes). And yeah, it helps everywhere in life.
/off to a bar =)
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Ya bro – you hit that fucker out of the park. 100% accurate
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“Douchebags aren’t hopeless with women. Just the opposite. ”
reading a swedish man ask of julian assange’s exploits:
“what did they(the swedish chickas) see in him?”
lolzz
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she sounds like the type of person that says that advertising/marketing doesn’t work.
it’s always interesting that when people throw the gauntlet down against CR, they automatically use the snarky or attack the morality approach, and if they actually go the logic route they may say something like ” evo psy framework may be ‘marginally’ relevant, but is not perfect and has questionable application in a wide range of situations”. However, the question that is never answered in these seems to be, if evo psy is so wrong? then what other meta theory is even minimally effective in predicting even the most common sense of human behaviors? Take game theory, even the most simple premise, the prisoner’s dilemma, fails repeatably when tested on real people. Other forms of psychology don’t lend to very much predictive power. It’s not perfect, but perhaps it’s the best starting point we have (at least for certain particular domains of human behavior – mating and survival etc)
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“love is the only thing in this world that isn’t bullshit”
All I know is when I act with pure uncontaminated , genuine , authentic love, I attract all that is good, healthy, effective towards myself. When our intentions are motivated by selfless love without greed, vanity, ego, etc…. with pure intention for the betterment of others we become positive magnets. It’s difficult…we are all human, but let it be the intention.
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Ton Leykis did a 4 hour show on her a few years back and totally devastated her entire opinion, with her on the air for 2 hours. She very plainly admitted to her entire philosophy being centered around wanting to get her daughters married and observing her daughter(s?) making terrible choices with the men they chose to be around.
Kay even discussed that she was a single mother and that even she wanted her own son to be happy and do whatever he wanted, even if that did not include marriage. It’s incredible that with her own child she can draw out the levels of compassion that would make Ghandi jealous, but with other men it’s sheer and utter judgment spiced with hatred. Great writing, Kay! Just remember, your inflammatory and inherently violent writing will cause immense suffering for many, many people and that you have just perpetuated the cycle of violence which has lead to marriage being obsolete in our society. You just flushed yourself down the toilet because you couldn’t stop and think about what you were doing, and because you preferred a quick buck to morals and civility towards your fellow man.
Her getting chewed out is somewhere in the
http://leykisonline.com/
show recordings. I can not for the life of me find the particular section, but it’s in there with a sizable amount of Tom’s work. I think it may be somewhere between 2004-2006.
During the program a medical doctor (with a undergraduate in psychology) called in and basically obliterated any and all credibility that Hymowitz had with the basic questions of “do you have a medical/psychological degree?”, and it turns out that “SUPRISE!” she has a degree in English somethingorother which is basically worthless unless you write inflammatory statements about people in offensive ways.
Let’s remember that while stereotypes don’t always paint a person, we all meet their qualifications at times, and this woman painted the perfect picture of a failed mother and woman to me – single mom, judgmental to others while probably failing at raising healthy, balanced children (as she’s made a career about complaining about the men her daughters bring home) and unwilling to shift her beliefs regardless of the rational discussions given to her.
Typical woman, AMIRITE?
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Can you really blame her?
The blog writer may talk about love and feeling sometimes, but most of it is “don’t get married” and “don’t have kids”.
This is why I enjoyed the Relationship Game posts quite a bit. They are useful for men who want to be in a monogamous relationship and want to raise young men and women.
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when u think about it the GBFM is a product of teh federal resrver as i was drugged up with enoeocn ritaliana pharmatasceutical drugs and mye theahcer were all stoooopid catsisnrg bictches who said spelling is not imprortants s zlzoxlolxlxoxoxo and the fed took my fdtaher when wa sjyoung so my mom could get him to fund her assocking sessososns tehy additcietd her to inc ocoeleligege lzozllz
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Posts have been long and boring lately. You may have shot your wad, you stud.
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“or are bitter about having to return home every night to a waddling land beast”
LOL!
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@Peter
That’s a pretty damning indictment of her, good find. I’m always amazed at how many women out there can actively spew “advice” or promote lifestyles that run contrary to their current situations.
It reminds of the absurdity of relationship advice from chronically single “relationship columnists”.
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i just wanted 2 say that as much as ms kay hymowitz is filled with 8 hate h8 hate h8 hate like all the warmonerging neocons
i still love them
and makes them h8 me more
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i luvs you allls o ye of little faith
to all the spinsters with cats
who teh fed tricked into spinsterhood/serving debt lxolllozlzl
to all the fanboys in ther single mom’s basements
whose dads they never knew because the fed tookawy fatehrhood lzozlzl
to all the broken familes
who were split up by the need to make two salaries to feed the kids
to all aging necon womenz celeberating secretive tapings of butthex without teh girlths conthent lzozllzlzozlzl they tircked you too
to all the spinster chix again i am sorry they sdesouled you
in asscokcing sessins drugged you up on prozac
told you to abort your kids no wonder your’re d[pressed and all fucjked up no lozlzlzlzling here
my heart goes out to you while tucker max & goldman sax laugh zlzolzlzl
too all the aborted fetushes we ask for forgiveness we deserve not and to all those tricked into aborting the gift of life lzozllzllzl we forgive u too and pray for teh fethuses, but not in school as prayer is illegal in school lozlzllzlz
to all those inthe rising genertaion who will have to pay off their parents cultural and monetary debts lzozlz war isn’t fun but it’s part of teh fed’s fiat bubble cycle lzozlzllz so like after th e country goes bust the war starts in the ultimate pump and udmp scheme you thought enron/worldcom/fannae mae was bad lolzozlzlz just you wait lzozlzlll i hope not and ai pray for peace lozlzlz maybe we can all learn to live and get along but i think we would have to start with truth and nobility and honor and ocurage and virtue and not with fiat debt and butthex lozlzlzl that’s just nmy gues from reading heroduts and the great boooks and classis in greek and latin zlzolzllzlzl
and the bible too about sodom and gomorroah did yuknow taht sodomycame form sodom and gonnoreah came from gommroah? lzozllz kidding about that second one i doubt it did but maybe who knows i have never had eitehr sodomy nor gonorreah and i ahve never been to sodom nor gomoorrah
sodom must;ve been a funny place lzolzlozolllzzll and a crazy party or two and the editor in chiefstress priscilla painton at simon and schuster would have fit right in publishing tucker max’s books yah i betin gmorrah they had a tower of babel with the ofices of simon and schuster at the top across the hall form the fed lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzllzlzlz
sometimes i wonder if poets and prophets can still change the world?
or have they trainde too, too many women to hate, and dumbed down and drugged up too many menz? have they destoryed too many fathers and killed to many families? have the y deocnstructed tyoo many books and spilled too much blood and aborted too many fetuthes as one is one too many. have they prescribed ritalin to too many cretaive sols in chool in prozac to too many who need to be depressed and face it when they abort fetuses as god gave us feelings and makes us not pay attention to boring stae corproate teachers as all creativity comes from not paying attention to the state lzozlzzll and now it is diagnoses as a diseas lzozlzlz.
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well juust wanted to say i luv u all and nice 2 know ya and welcomes abords lzozlzl
and 2 asnwer my own above questions
let me jsut say
teh great books
wouldn’t be great
if they weren’t immortal
and they offer us redemption
the moment we start living by tehir ideasl
and epic higher stories
so put down your hate and your secretive butthex tape
and pick up a cross
and come follow me
and let me shoulderyour burden
for my yoke is light
dante wrote la vita nuova–the new life
and it is time 4 u to find your new life
for to loseth one’s old way is to fuind the new path
so do not fear
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i almost blew my cover here as teh messiah lzozlzllll i hide it beind all my lzozlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlles but a couple of you ahve caught on lzozlzlzlzllzlzl
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SoCons can’t understand game because like lefties game us outside their ideology.
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Kay is an old woman and she’s pissed off that younger men have more options than they did back in her day. What does that say about her marriage?
She offers no reason why men should be the way she wants them to. Well, to be fair, she does say a guy with Star Wars posters isn’t going to be a hit with women.
What does that mean? That means, men are supposed to conform to womens expectations in order to get laid. Note she doesnt say it this directly.
I wonder why?
For one, she wants to deny that the sexual marketplace exists and that women are selling sex in exchange for something else. (Such vulgar directness isn’t going to sit well with her *liberated* readership.)
It could also be because game and the nature of the current marketplace allow men to get laid without getting involved in relationships Kay thinks every young person should be in.
I can smell your fear Kay. It reeks.
What a wonderful time to be a young lad! What a terrible time to be an old hag.
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The host confuses love with infatuation. Beatrice isn’t a fling.
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Insta-lanche.
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“others are geeks who, having spent much of their twenties invisible to women, are also in a vengeful frame of mind.”
not totally me, more like a ‘nice guy’ raised by a single-mom who had zero chance of explaining to me how to interact with women. but close enough.
anyway, it’s annoying and inaccurate to be called ‘vengeful’– I tried nice, i got nada. i am acting in a way much more rewarded and sought after by women. if i am perceived as a dick, the issue is with the girls shunning me when i am nice, not with me. i’ve been after the same women and straightforward with my intent all along.
if women responded to nice guys with anything other than disdain, i’d still be one.
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Haven’t people been writing for years exactly why Kay Hymowitz and her type are bitter phonies.
So why did she write a book exposing her own bitterness?
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Late to another instalanche, I see
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Very good elaboration, and can I mention that I like it that it’s a strong rebuttal but not too aggressive which is great for a change? I like this tone.
Btw, Roosh recently had what I thought was the best summary of the Game and reasons for Game ever. Lemme dig it up:
“Who knows—if American women rewarded men who worshipped them, the rules of the game would change and maybe my first book would be called Compliment & Cuddle instead of Bang, but they don’t.”
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The primary relationship between ev psych and game psychology is the recognition of animal instincts in human behaviour. That’s a tendency that is deemphasized in older approachs to human psychology.
But there are ancient philosophies that recognize the existence of an “animal soul” in each human. The animal soul is distinct from the regular “”divine soul”. These provide the same kind of perspective as ev psych …
Either way, any extrapolation of animal-type behaviour to humans (mating or anything else) has to be tested in the field. We are not birds or bonobos.
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Yes, game is a rediscovery of what was once called original sin.
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What Hymowitz thinks is of no consequence.
As far as the Chateau goes; the only thing “worse” than being talked about is not being talked about.
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Blah, blah, blah. You sound like someone who’s working very hard to convince himself of something.
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“It’s breathtaking how solipsistic her comments on men truly are.”
I’ve noticed this solipsism is actually a widespread phenomenon among feminists in their 40s.
Call them “solipsistas.”
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Kay tried to backpedal yesterday with an article somewhere. She wants to be respected by conservative men. She states that she’s been reading the comments that we were already making about her book on other threads (the Chateau has taken a week off recently so this started getting a lot of discussion in the Emotional Pornography thread IIRC).
A big problem, as I see as one of the reasons why this post was necessary, is that the first edition of her book can’t be recalled and the vengeful comment about mid-forties balding guys redacted. She has to know that paragraph was a mistake even if she doesn’t yet want to admit that a male senior citizen with game could probably date her adult daughter if she has one.
This post “sets the record straight” (I’d still advise the Chateau to use words in titles that people are searching for currently).
Regarding the Instapundit, kudos to him for leading today, Thursday, with a link here. It was especially cool that he didn’t explain what this site was, which would give the impression that this is where”the cool people who read Instapundit (something like 100 times the readership of this blog or 300,000 readers per day) already go regularly.
His wife, Helen, is a highly respected female MRA (I think she’s “Dr. Helen” – MRA means Men’s Rights Advocate). He should listen to her more.
Robert Engler, apparently a visitor from the Instalanche, should know that writing about game (as is true about most anything else) actually does help one to learn it, by focusing thoughts. So the comment “you sound like someone who wants to convince himself of something” comment was ironic in that it was correct, but not in the way he meant it.
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Interesting question would be Glenn Reynolds’ wife, Dr. Helen’s, reaction to all this. She seems to be the unusual combination of a hot woman who understands and respects men — sort of watches game without having a conniption. Strikes me as some who dragged out the inner alpha in Glenn and won’t let him be a douchebag.
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A brilliant post my friend!
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I had an interesting conversation at lunch today with two college students who’ve never been to America or England.
First, they said that Hollywood didn’t seem to be teaching them feminism because new American films like “How Do You Know” and “Last Night” seemed to celebrate marriage and monogamy at an early age. They haven’t seen “Purple Violets” or “It’s Complicated” which imply that much older women can still snag alphas (such films broadcast to very young women that they can reject nice guys and ride a carousel into middle age and beyond). They only saw “Mumma Mia” as a fun musical, not as a statement that a 60 year old woman could still get all three of the boyfriends she had when she was younger. They didn’t notice that the women in Sex and the City are over 30.
Broadway classics from Rodger’s & Hammerstein and Andrew Lloyd Weber are extremely popular outside the Anglosphere and are great representatives of what our culture was and could again be with their absence of feminist ideology and their great portrayals of men gaming women (example: “When I take you out in the surrey” or “the Phantom of the Opera is here, inside your mind”).
It’s too bad Andrew, who did well for himself with Sarah Brightman despite the marriage not lasting, is dying of prostate cancer. I’d like to see a few more productions from him.
Many of us western men never married because we were waiting for someone like one of the demur female leads from Rodger’s & Hammerstein, and never found such in the west.
So, it’s good to know that the Anglosphere isn’t exporting feminism efficiently and the outside world prefers the anti-feminist classics we’ve produced. It still takes vicious college professors, bizarre local TV hosts, a Victorian heritage and a population of effeminate Baby Boomer manginas to produce entitled, unmarriageable young women.
This isn’t to say that anti-male feminism isn’t ruining young foreign women at a rapid pace in foreign capital cities where those who learn English are often infected by having befriended some western feminist women before befriending western men.
English is the least male-friendly language out there.
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Anyway, the conversation turned to the idea that I’d like children but not marriage at this point.
I told one of the women (just a friend with benefits) that she’d hypothetically produce great babies and that I’d pay her, hypothetically, $400 per month child support for 18 years to raise one. In many countries, child support is still only about 20% of a man’s income by law (which is still too high if that’s more than enough to raise the child and prevents the man from having other children with other women).
I then said that the big problem would be that she could use the courts, especially if western feminism spreads, to force me out of more than $400 per month by having my finances looked into by international lawyer networks, thus making me likely not interested in pursuing the idea of having children with her seriously.
The overriding factor for an informed man thinking about having a first child is that he wants the OPTION (healthy finances) of having another child with another woman he falls in love with after having the first child. Income based child support laws are frightening to all men in every economic class (such laws are Marxist inspired).
A lot of a court’s power (to destroy a man’s financial options to have more children) hinges around whether a government can force a man to take a DNA test. I learned today, from these students, that local police in most of Europe can actually force a man to do this (is this true?).
We agreed that it was still possible for a man who wants to spread his DNA to get a woman pregnant and then leave her country permanently and not ever face the threat of forced DNA testing and, thus, the possibility of court action on child support. But then the EU is a threat on that score (and Assange is being dicked around by women in the EU simply for not taking an HIV test).
In all, she said that she’d hypothetically consider it if we had lawyers draw up papers where I promised that amount per month. I’d have to trust her that she wouldn’t try to use international feminist lawyer networks to renege on the deal.
Meanwhile, if the women in the core of my MLTR, whom I actually love and who are marriage material, were to agree to have a child out of wedlock, I’d go for that in a heartbeat.
But these women are all-or-nothing about wanting me to marry them as individuals (they also don’t know about each other which would make a marriage to one of them a cruel shock to another that I would not want to inflict).
It’s frustrating when my mind turns to having children.
Modern men are stymied in their ability to have children without being trapped by the “system”.
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Hey I owe Her in that the fact that She foolishly linked this site in one of Her huffpo posts and have been digesting the material happily since last week.
On a slight tangent, there is an interesting counterpoint on huffpo to the original piece that brought me here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-asghar/where-are-the-good-men-pe_b_826250.html
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Hi all,
I’m new to all of this, “game”, “alpha”, etc. But I did take the “Dating Market Value Test for Men” and I scored about a -12. Guess I need some help. What would you suggest that I do? Thanks for your constructive thoughts on the matter!
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What a terrible time to be an old hag.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
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Still strikes me as a crutch for the autistic
Pro tip: never take sex advice from someone who wasn’t high school royalty. The real world is high school
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I find most of the comments from promiscuous men or women about love, relationships, sex, marriage, divorce – CLUELESS. They ALMOST always end up unhappy and dissatisfied with their life CHOICES.
Why do they make more bad choices than good choices?
Our present culture discriminates (as it always does) against individuals who are looking for INSTANT GRATIFICATION in life. These individuals are usually on the center/left side of the Bell Curve in IQ, though not always.
70% of marriages between two people who either graduated from college or have an IQ of 110 or better remain stable for a lifetime – no divorce.
While it is not politically correct to admit that Intelligence plays a large part in the relative success of individuals in life’s endeavors – it does.
These problems, all of them, usually have a “Cool Hand Luke” source – “…what we have here is a failure to communicate…” In addition, our society has been programmed for a long time with a disfunctional meme – woman are men with breasts sans testicles. Woman are women; men are men in HEALTHY relationships.
Of course, you can disregard my opinion/s. I disregard all of these “relationship” issue opinions from folks lik Ms. Hymowitz as I am neither a psychologist nor religious counselor, just married to the same woman through thick and thin for 40 years.
Psychological babble is psychological babble.
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Learning how to sduce women? Egads, next you’ll tell me that people pay to learn this kind of thing in groups?
What kind of world will this be when groups of men pay money to learn from more educated people!?! Better themselves? Balderdash!
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Crimsonride,
Funny comment with a lot of truth to it.
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@Lara
“I don’t understand all the negativity towards meeting people in bars, as if it isn’t real human interaction. I’ve meet some great guys in bars.”
I love bars, and hang out in them a lot. Have met some fascinating people in bars. Just don’t pick up girls there.
As another commenter mentioned: game works even better outside bars. Including, as another commenter mentioned, in interactions with women at work, hobbies, or any other activity.
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Why would anyone want to be deceptive in the mating game?
Guys, just be yourselves. Women, you can still wear makeup and wearpadded bras though.
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GBFM writes:
sometimes i wonder if poets and prophets can still change the world?
Sometimes you are so beautiful you make me cry.
🙂
ps: I think that (whole, not just that line) comment is maybe your best evah.
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Some here are missing the point about why it’s now the Chateau with “multiple writers”…by a country mile.
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Women dish… or, at least, this is what they say:
“7 Traits Of Irresistible Men,” Your Tango
http://www.yourtango.com/200929208/7-traits-irresistible-men?cid=Shine
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“Mary
GBFM writes:
sometimes i wonder if poets and prophets can still change the world?
Sometimes you are so beautiful you make me cry.
🙂
ps: I think that (whole, not just that line) comment is maybe your best evah.”
Thanks!! !lzozlzlz
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-asghar/where-are-the-good-men-pe_b_826250.html
“And she believes the stakes are cosmically dire, for both yin and yang, if men do not grow up fast.
Relatively affluent, free of family responsibilities, and entertained by an array of media devoted to his every pleasure, the single young man can live in pig heaven–and often does. Women put up with him for a while, but then in fear and disgust either give up on any idea of a husband and kids or just go to a sperm bank and get the DNA without the troublesome man. But these rational choices on the part of women only serve to legitimize men’s attachment to the sand box. Why should they grow up? No one needs them anyway. There’s nothing they have to do.
Sperm banks for disgusted single women? Who expected we’d see the day when a fellow of a conservative think tank such as the Manhattan Institute would call that a “rational choice”?
How did marital matters turn so sour? Hymowitz comes armed with solid data and some genuine facts before she starts shooting like an angered Mama Grizzly at the male species:”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-asghar/where-are-the-good-men-pe_b_826250.html
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whene neocns takeover cocnservatism they replace burke, virgil, homer, jefferson with neocn jonah goldberg and war war war war lzozozozlzl and lietrture and peotry with tucker max buthex repeating tucker max’s lies about his height in the pages of the weekly standard zlozlzlz and they neocons repalce teh fmaily and father iwth sperm banks lzozllzlzlz.
basically they rleaplace everything good and exalted with butthex lzzoolzlzozzlzloz as teh y relppalce a gold backed dolalr with ebrnanke dolalrsz lzollzlzllzl
The Barbaric Neocon Jonah Goldberg writes: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.” lozlzlz!
National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, for instance, who hates being told he’s not a genuine conservative (even though nothing could be more obvious), offers this justification for war with Iraq: “The United States needs to go to war with Iraq because it needs to go to war with someone in the region and Iraq makes the most sense.” Elsewhere, he writes: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.”
–http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods19.html
Note that by United States, Jonah Goldberg means brave men who volunteered for our armed forces, as opposed to, say the belwway neocons feeding their fat, cherubic faces on DC pizza as others die in their foreign wars on foreign shores. lozlozzlzlzl!!
The Barbaric Neocon Jonah Goldberg writes: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.” lozlzlz!
If you’re wondering if these are the words of a conservative, try to imagine Russell Kirk uttering them.
Isn’t it funny how women are now leading men in education and work? While the US leads the world in debt? lozlzlz!
Isn’t it funny how women are now leading men in education and work? While the US leads the world in debt? lozlzlz!
When it comes to creating things such as cars, airplanes, tires, the computer, spark plugs, electricity, running water, indoor plumbing, the idea of marriage, the light bulb, the transistor, Great Art, Great Books, and Great Symphonies, women are nowhere to be seen.
When it comes to creating debt, debauchery, divorce, daytime TV, and douchebags, women lead the descent, at teh command of the Federal Reserve System!
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America was once the world’s leading manufacturer and lender. Today she is the biggest consumer and debtor. chix rule!! lzozlzlzl!!
Today Women Are Working for The Federal Reserve
Once upon a time women worked for their family–their husbands and children.
Today they work for mere debt-based dollars created from thin air.
lzozlozllz!
Leave it to women to confuse debt with wealth and the prison of debt-based spinsterhood with the freedom of being an honorable wife and mother. lozlzl!
Ben Bernanke fooled u! lozlzlz!
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Feminism & War: Two Sides of the Necon Fiat Coin: Neocons such As Jonah Goldberg Love War & Fiat Debt & Feminism As They Kill The Innocent and Debauch Good Men & Grow The Neocon State lozlzl!
Feminism & War: Two Sides of the Necon Fiat Coin: Neocons such As Jonah Goldberg Love War & Fiat Debt & Feminism As They Kill The Innocent and Debauch Good Men & Grow The Neocon State lozlzl!
Neocons such as Jonah Goldberg love war and fiat debt and feminism and the growth of government and the state.
Under the neocon rule, debt has only grown, as more and more kids grow up in single mother families, which will grant neocons such as Jonah Goldberg more control over the fatherless children, ensuring they grow up with more problems and pathologies, as fatherless children so often do. Yay for Jonah! Feminism and perpetual war are two sides to the neocon fiat coin, as their lawyers profit immensely in the divorce regime and the saddling of the world with fiat debt, murder, and debauchery. And the chubby-faced Goldberg drives around DC as the master neocon, stopping for pizza here and there to serve his fat face, spitting on the spirits of the Greats such as Edmund Burke, C.S. Lewis, and Russell Kirk; rubbing his hands together as the fiat debt burgeons and more women destroy more families throughout the world, lured by the Neocon’s fiat debt to dump and incriminate their husbands and exalt the lying, short, douchebaggy Tucker Max as a sexual hero, as Charlotte Allen does in the Weekly Standard, instead of exalting true heroes such as USMC Cpl. Jason L. Dunham. lozlzlz!
Why are the neocons writing long screeds trying to disprove their own existence? Poor Jonah Goldberg is faced with an impossible task. He wants his readers to forget the history of their own movement, ignore the enormous literature documenting the neoconservative odyssey from left to right, and pretend that the doctrine of perpetual preemptive war is not antithetical to the conservative project of restoring limited government. No wonder it took three interminable installments for him to imagine he’d pulled it off. But quantity is not quality, and this is especially true in Jonah’s case.”
–http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j052303.html
Another neocon who can see “we” have won is David Frum. Writing in the National Post of Canada, Frum explained his recent decision to take a job in the Bush administration:
Conservatives have never been anarchists. They have always believed government was necessary and that, in its proper sphere, it was even a positive good. But in reaction to the terrifying excesses of government in the 1960s and 1970s, conservatives sometimes talked like anarchists. As government ceased to look so terrifying, the conservative reaction against it came to seem to many nearly as excessive as government itself had once been.
If you just got back to the United States from a 30-year trip during which you were isolated in the remotest jungle, Frum’s statement would lead you to believe that the US government had become much smaller during the intervening decades. After all, if the scope of government interference with citizen’s lives was “terrifying” in the 60s and 70s, but now it is not, it follows that this must have been cut back significantly. –http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan40.html
Goldberg’s implication here is that libertarianism is somehow fallacious, if it can only attract the attentions of the naive and inexperienced, if clever and passionate, young. (He conveniently forgets that Murray Rothbard, whom he recognizes as being a key libertarian figure, was a radical libertarian well into his sixties.) I say “implication,” because Goldberg never quite specifies what is wrong with libertarianism, much less does he try to provide an argument. Instead of an argument, he offers merely his own self-contradictory opinions, which are laced with condescension, attitude, smug snideness, and ad hominem, and full of confusion and misstatements about the nature of libertarianism.
Note Goldberg’s smugness, but vacuity, when he equates libertarians and their passion for liberty and rights to those teens who “realize for the first time what Pink Floyd’s ‘The Wall’ is really about”; those deluded youngsters who “convince themselves that just because they’ve thought of something for their first time they believe they’ve thought of it for the first time, period. This translates into a kind of arrogance where some kids think no one else can really understand something as well as they can.” I am not sure how this is supposed to be an argument. It may be an effective way of expressing Goldberg’s personal opinions, but given that he is not a libertarian and not even a very good conservative (he apparently loves Lincoln and hates federalism/states’ rights), and simply an intellectual lightweight neocon, it is not clear why anyone would care.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/kinsella3.html
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Anton,
Yes I agree. It is so much easier to get to know someone if there is something concrete to talk about rather than just making conversation out of nothing.
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rnecoconservatism: why do jonah goldberg and charlotte allen and teh weekly standard hate on/ignore true heroes and classical marriage and men’s rights and shed love on Tucker Max who films butthex with girls without the girl’s consent? butthexx!! lozlzlzlzlzlz lzlz!! goldberg says we need more feminism & family killing! lzozl!
March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
hahahahah! what goldberg is saying that is if his wife didn’t lay down the line, he would be a beasty man alpha male, smacking women around, as that is in in true, deep, neocon nature. lozllz! he admits it! and then he projects it on teh entire world as neocons do to justify their pre-emptive, illegal wars! lzozll!
What jonah goldberg forgets to mention is that women committed over 50,000,000 abortions/murders (by their choice alone) since the fiat class’s Roe vs. Wade, as well as the fact that women originate over 2/3 of all divorces. This si why the fiat necons love women, as women serve their destructive quest for power.
This is because divorce and abortion are huge neocon profit centers, which also serve to dehumanize humanity, kill the family, grow the STATE, and make them all suck on the fiat teat that Jonah Goldberg et al dangle from The National Review. lozzllz!
How come Jonah never talks about this:
This one-page site has more links about the brutal tyranny that a man can be subjected to once he enters the legal contract of marriage, and even more so after he has children. What was once the bedrock of society, and a solemn tradition that benefited both men and women equally, has quietly mutated under the evil tinkering of feminists, divorce lawyers, and leftists, into a shockingly unequal arrangement, where the man is officially a second-class citizen who is subjected to a myriad of sadistic risks. As a result, the word ‘marriage’ should not even be used, given the totality of changes that have made the arrangement all but unrecognizable compared to its intended ideals. Suicide rates of men undergoing divorce run as high as 20%, and all of us know a man who either committed suicide, or admits seriously considering it during the dehumanization he faced even though he wanted to preserve the union. Needless to say, this is a violation of the US Constitution on many levels, and is incompatible with the values of any supposedly advanced democracy that prides itself on freedom and liberty. There is effectively a tyrannical leftist shadow state operating within US borders but entirely outside the US constitution, which can subject a man to horrors more worthy of North Korea than the US, even if he did not want out of the marriage, did not want to be separated from his children, and did not want to lose job. Any unsuspecting man can be sucked into this shadow state.
And this:
http://weddedabyss.wordpress.com/
Before you take the plunge there are a few things about marriage that you need to be aware of. The institution of marriage as we know it is no more. It has undergone drastic changes in the last 50 years. What used to be a life long commitment, unbreakable barring the most severe circumstances, has been relegislated into something new entirely thanks to the lobbying efforts of radical feminists and the divorce industry. In trying to to make divorce “fail-safe” for homemaker / lower-earner spouses, the bad ones included, they have made marriage “unsafe” for virtually everyone else.
Marriage today is a temporary union of two individuals where the exit costs are highly asymmetrical. What does that mean? It means that upon the dissolution of the marriage, one spouse generally makes off like a bandit, while the other is pushed into a life of unending poverty, abridged civil rights, and being two paychecks away from arrears, contempt, and prison.
http://weddedabyss.wordpress.com/
Why doesn’t this bother Jonah: “4. Decriminalization of Adultery – Adultery is no longer a crime. However the failure to pay alimony to an adulterous spouse is. Go figure.”
How come Jonah & his neocon elites never stick up for the common man, who, btw, is dying on foreign shores for their unconstitutional, undeclared foreign wars?
he fundamental thing that everyone is missing is that the neocons are exalting beta males such as tucker max as alpha males, while ignoring the true alphas they send to foreign shores to die in their wars.
charlotte,
please allow me to draw your attention to usmc Corporal Jason L. Dunham.
http://www.jasonsmemorial.org/about.html
“On April 14, 2004, 3 days after Easter Sunday, Corporal Dunham was manning a checkpoint in Karabilah, Iraq, when an insurgent leapt from his car and began choking Corporal Dunham. A scuffle ensued as two Marines approached to help. Reportedly, the last words from Corporal Dunham were, “No, No. Watch his hand.” Suddenly, the insurgent dropped a grenade. Corporal Dunham took off his Kevlar helmet, dropped to the ground, and covered the explosive as best he could.
The blast seriously wounded all 3 Marines. Eight days later, Corporal Jason L. Dunham died at Bethesda Naval Hospital from wounds he received in the incident. He was 22. ”
now the funny thing is that to the neocons the greater hero is Tucker Max, even though true heroes such as jason et al. are dying in the neocons’ war.
Now our foxy Ms. Allen could have used the precious space in the Weekly Standard to give a shout out to a true American hero–Corporal Jason L. Dunham.
But instead, she regurgitates tucker’s lies and corporate PR, as douchebaggery makes aging neocon’s ginas tingle, while true american heroism leaves them dry:
“Tucker Max, 33, six feet tall, extrovertedly good-looking, and usually photographed latched to a girl, a bottle of booze, or a cheeseburger, is an honors graduate (in three years) of the University of Chicago. He has a law degree from Duke University, whose admissions committee was so impressed with his academic record that it awarded him an academic scholarship. . . Max is famous as a blogger (tuckermax.com), and his website is replete with stories like the ones above, all involving graphically rendered bedroom exploits (if your definition of bedroom includes vans, offices, and the great outdoors), massive quantities of alcohol, and copious vomiting. He is the author of several books, including The Definitive Book of Pickup Lines (2001, out of print but selling for close to $200 on Amazon), the 2006 blockbuster I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which spent more than 100 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, and the forthcoming Assholes Finish First. Beer in Hell, a dramatization of some of his website yarns, became an indie movie hit in college towns last fall. ”
Tucker lies about his height & success & films buttsex without the woman’s consent, and thus the weekly standard exalts him, while rejecting and ignoring all those true heroes jumping on grenades in their war.
http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/
http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com/
lzozolzlzz buttehxual neoconwesnxs !!!!!!!!
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“7 Traits Of Irresistible Men,” Your Tango
http://www.yourtango.com/200929208/7-traits-irresistible-men?cid=Shine
i thought this link at the end of that article was even better:
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-girl-talk-just-not-that-into-him/
writer wonders why her vag doesn’t tingle for the sensitive, caring, intelligent, chivalrous ‘perfect’ guy she’s dating.
lmao!
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classical conservatives like burke/hume/kirk/jefferson/homer
war not in general good
buthex is immoral
father head of household
marriage and family good
neoocn goldbergs/hymowitz/allen
war good yaya ya yaya more war more war! (Which hgidberg goldberg never fight themselves zlzolzlz. if goldberg really thinks war is soo god why did he nogt beocme marine?)
butthexual heroes celebrated in teh pages of teh weekly standadth iwth their lies oabout tehir height repreated zlzozozl
hymowitz of teh conservatiev manahattan insitutute sings teh praises of sperm banks zlozzllzo
glenn reynolds of instanbundint instabungit lzozoozlz INSTABUNGIT!!!! ignores the divroce insdustrial complex wihich is crucicying men and manhood and the neoocn goes “golly gee The “game” stuff pretty much is for douchebags, or at least the otherwise hopeless (how is it hopeless to hook uyp with hot chcikcks instead of agetting ass-raped in divroce court? one of the problems with teh modern legal class scribes pharisees is that tehy never ead dante’s inferno where dante defines hell as “Abandon all hope ye who eneter here.” Well that is moden marriage–hopeless for lovbe! teh game teaches young men how to ciurcumvent the neocon welath-transferring, butthexed institutions like noeoenc marriage and pursue love instead. WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPEL!!! GAME IS ABOUT PURSUING LOVE and exlating oneslef beoynd the hoples despair of neocon-controoledd marriage to butthexed, pre-asscokced, desouled, womenz zlzoozlzlz sent forth to “tame men” and seize tehir manhod and assettss via the neoncocn butthexing marriage-divrocre regime.)
INSTABUNGIT continues, ” It involves taking the sophisticated approach that someone with actual interpersonal skills might employ, and boiling it down to a set of simplified rules that produce a sort of cartoon version — much as you might boil down social interactions into rules for an autistic person; the result is better than nothing, but not the real thing.” lzozozllzzol lll!! !lzozozzol omg lzozozol!!! AS IF NEOCON ASS-RAPING, ASSETT-TRANFSFERRING DIRVOCRE AFTER NBEOCON MARRIAGE IN OUR SOULLESS CHURDHCES IS the REAL THING!!!!!
over here you have a chance at love and intanmacy with lotsa young hotties as it wa smenat 2 be lzozzllz
over there you have an assocked, desouled, bernankified chcik whose taken lotsa cockas and is now 32 and filled with h8 h8 h8 and just chompin at the bit to transfer your assettss to the bernkakeepolicetstate zlzozlozozozl
which is the *rea*l thing?
INSTABUNGIT says the real thing is marriage to da assocked, desouled, bernankified chcik whose taken lotsa cockas and is now 32 and filled with h8 h8 h8 and just chompin at the bit to transfer your assettss to the bernkakeepolicetstate zlzozlozozozl
INSTABUNGIT continues: “But although it’s a cartoon (as if modern mariage is not a cartoon lzozlzozoz with the caption “70% of divroces are initiated by women, as well as 100% of abortions lzozlzllz”) — and focused largely on picking up women in bars, a fairly limited and artificial environment (as if the modern church/legal indurstirial complex whcih promotes drivocre is not artificial lzozllzlz) to begin with — the simplification process does reveal things that might otherwise be obscured or ignored. And it’s interesting to see some of these insights going mainstream. (The other thing you learn from perusing some of these sites is just how much some men need the help. And I’m not sorry to see them get it.)”
lzozozlzozozlz. INSTABUNGIT says that bars are ” a fairly limited and artificial environment to begin with ”
lzozozlzl and just what is modern NECOCOCM marriage to a butthexed h8-filled soododmize owmenz trained by da neoeocns to h8 and trandsefer welath and conveter fiat debt into proepertya nd ddwelath for teh beenenrkkesttate?????? zlzozllzlzlozozlzlzlz
as a leading neocon scholar at the picnnacle of our law and eocnomis philsispopshoes, INSTABUNGIT may wish to consider the following legal/economics issues.
if one gets married in a church beo0fre minsiter, one has to often pay for past use of a pussy, buying it new lingerirer lingeries so it can fucka nd suck otehr men these days as the noencs finciancallily incetivize women to break up teh fmaily as that is a cenrteal plank of ciommunisms lzozlzlzlzl end of teh family is a central plank of cuommunismss zlzoozo so over 70% of divocres are iniatiated by women as college triasns owmenz to firsth and foremost serve the fiat debt masters over her husband chidlren and detsory the fmaily zlzolzllzzlozololzolz
but if one pays a hooker, one does not have to pay for past use of a pussy.
this is why the neocons look down on prostitution and promote the divorce culture as where’s the profit for the divroce indudtsrial complex if men didn’t have to pay for past use of a pussy pusysy???Q?Q?
roger devlin and stephen baskervillee are soo much mor eture true conservative thinkers than instabungit
read devlin, kirk, homer, dante, virgil, jefferson, jesus, socrates–not teh modern scribes and pharissesss like instabungit, hymowitz, warmonegring godleberg zlzozllzzl
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This is about the millionth time GBFM has posted his 11:58 pm coment, and I still get a little lump in my throat every time I read it.
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Admittedly, I have only read the first sentence – but who the fuck would read a book called ‘manning up’ written by a woman. answer: woman.
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come people, when they feel themselves geting bent over and their butthole lubed, can sense the danger.
otehrs gota wait until da cock is goin inand out in and out befor ethey ask, “say, am i being butthexed?”
so it was with the federal reserve system which cahsed out and enriche dteh bankers as the currency was detsoryed.
and just now, many leading econ professors are going, “say, am i being butthexed?”
while many others have not noiticed.
and the tenured and top advisors to da banks are enjoying it going zozozlz zlzozlzzllzo lzozlzlzlozlz lzzozlzlzolzolzl
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“Anonymous
This is about the millionth time GBFM has posted his 11:58 pm coment, and I still get a little lump in my throat every time I read it.”
yes, come all my brotehr sna isters
and sistas
’tis a world out of joint rueld by da flase neoeonc kings
who try to tell you
that a little lump in your butt (their cockas)
is better than
a little lump in your throat
from the gbfm poetry
but such is the way
of the instabungits
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Feminist websites are making fun of this guy for proposing marriage to this woman:
http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/01/08/style/1248069535924/vows-emily-and-igor.html
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Men, learn game. Embrace the rockstar lifestlye. Let the corrupt gynocentric nanny state collapse while getting all the poon you want.
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All Hymowitz is doing here is perpetuating the myth of the feminine mystique (i.e. women are unknowable, random, capricious, ambiguous, etc.) What most men think is arbitrary behavior is actually very calculated behavior, with specific, latent purposes. And like any other behaviorism, inferences, motivations and predictable outcomes can be drawn judging from past performances.
Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. I made that word up, but it’s applicable; women for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind.
While a Man must never be anything less than forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced for being elusive and dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s this elusiveness that makes her more desirable. However, to pull this off women must be (or seem to be) naturally unknowable, and encourage men to believe so.
How many times have you been asked by a friend, “so, did ya get lucky with Kristy last night?” We don’t think much of this passing question, but it’s framed in such a way that men autonomously perpetuate the myth of this mystique. It’s not luck that gets you laid. I understand that circumstance and being the right guy at the right time most certainly plays a part, but that’s not what I’m driving at here. If we feel as though we got lucky, we won the lottery, or walked away with the PRIZE, it doesn’t help us to understand what it is we did correctly in a given instance. Not only that, it perpetuates women as the prize-givers. You were lucky to have gotten sex with her so it must be something rare and valuable indeed.
Because of this, most men don’t question the process or the motives involved in intergender relations; they’re just happy to have had the experience. When mixed with sexual deprivation, the luck element makes the sex that much more absorbing. It’s this luck precognition for men and fostered by women that leads to the scarcity mentality and often (but not exclusively) ONEitis in men. It serve the feminine if men willingly adopt the luck mindset with regards to their intimacy. Sexuality is a woman’s first, best agency and any social mechanism that contributes to the value of it will always be encouraged.
In the community we strive to breakdown confusion and common problems by observing behavior, and we all know that women are human beings with the same basic motivations that men are subject to with some variation in their reasoning and methodologies. The point being that women are every bit as subject to being as mundane as men are, but the difference is that men don’t enjoy a masculine mystique. With rare exceptions, we don’t generally cultivate this sense of mystery because we’re not rewarded for it as women are – and honestly, we haven’t needed to. But for a woman, if she can cultivate this mystique, her attentions become a reward unto themselves for the guy who is lucky enough to tame her.
Rest assured, when you think a woman is crazy, she’s crazy like a fox; she’s crazy with a reason. Women are every bit as calculating as men, in fact more so I’d argue because they have the mystique to hide a multitude of sins. They’re not irrational, they’re calculated – you just have to develop an ability to read a woman’s actions and behaviors and see the plan behind them.
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Ah marriage. Who can forget Mary Winkler, the perfect bride.
How long did she serve again? Six months?
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Hey, it’s almost the weekend. Girls with Klüver-Bucy Syndrome all around, for me boyz:
http://www.slate.com/id/2287146/
It’s telling to note the second page, where the article’s (female) author puts words (specifically the word rape) in the mouths of the research’s authors.
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behind one door is
eligtnement
turth
beauty
fun
laughter
lover
mena dn women shairng sexualaity lzozozl feels good don’t it!!
love
behind the other door is
kay hymwoitz
instabungit
tucker max buttheixng
goldman sax rhymes iwth tucker max
divocre court buttraping
jonah goldberg yeeling for more war
jonah goldeber yellingg thaat womenz tame men
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which door you gonna choose?
if you calue your anuth and your soul, you will choose teh firts door!!!
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Nice post. Compensates for the lack of posts we had here lately.
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Rollo,
Good comment. Women aren’t the least bit mysterious to other women. We usually know exactly how other women think.
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Great post.
Also, bars/clubs is the WORST place to meet women. Most of them have an over-inflated ego boost due to so much attention (a 6 becomes an 8-9 quickly if enough men pay attention to her), plus with music noise and so many distractions every second they may not even notice your refined approach, the energy you project, etc. Plus the alcohol may not help her remember you the following days when you call.
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A lot of women, myself included at times, don’t how the best grasp on how men think.
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Welcome insta-newbies. Note that you are not some kind of phenomenon. This blog has gotten 200+ comments per post for some time now. Pull up a chair, open your mind, and prepare to be schooled by the schoolmaster.
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Let’s hear it for douchebaggery…
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For some reason the writers have omitted the “Scenario” following the “Darwinian Playboy” in Haimowitz’ book. There’s a glaringly narcissistic contrast between the characterization of the “Playboy” and the “Single and Loving It Woman”, complete with the unsurprising “safe-ish prediction” that the female player equivalent will live happily ever after. What is good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander.
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With regard to gaming in bars, I’ve found not gaming works better for me. Gets the old hamster wheel going for them when every other guy is trying and I’m not.
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For any male here from the Instalanche, this line (Freudian slip?) from the The Frisky website sums up how modern women think about what they’d do fast if a man actually established attraction with them.
It means you no longer need to put women on pedestals or wait 6 weeks wondering if you’ve known each other long enough to “make a move”.
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I must say, given my prior defenses of Kay, you have hit this one out of the park.
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Got Hymowitz’s book, read it.
http://www.amazon.com/Manning-Up-Rise-Women-Turned/dp/0465018424/
She totally misses the fact, for all her sociological analysis, that the Baby Boomers refusal to retire to let following generations move up an occupy responsible positions in society is driving this crud. (People in their 40s are still holding the “assistant”-type jobs they got right out of college and their Baby Boomer parents are still holding the same jobs the day way back when. Look at music, too… ’80s music is finally starting to creep onto Oldies radio stations about 15 years later than ’60s music did, but we’re still mostly listing to Jurassic Rock every day– funny, I didn’t remember us rockin’ out to Glenn Miller, Count Basie and the Andrews Sisters in the ’80s.)
She actually does make to observation that feminism jacked it up for everyone. Yay! However, she stops being a conservative, reverts to being a woman (one that drank too much of the feministic Kool Aid without realizing it) and breaks into the Girls Rule, Boys Drool schtick (while simultaneously criticizing it as harmful) which doesn’t help much. Gee, thanks, could she help us get the feminazis off our backs and divorce-thieving,-man-disposing,-you-go-girl! culture reigned-in? Naw. Too much to ask.
Boiled down to non-fluff essentials, here’s what she said in her book… Xtra Normal already addressed the topic:
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“Safe prediction: By his mid-40s, the Playboy is…”
(one of Kay’s citations, off the log entry)
Unsafe. And unstable I’d go so far as to say. This is a very bitter and cynical woman.
You spot it you got it, Kay.
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What is “game”?
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@Peter 10:58PM
Found it.
Thanks for the heads up on this. Few people can verbally tear people a new asshole using logical argumentation, subtle intonation and word choice, and emotional manipulation like Leykis.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwtjjJhfpKc&feature=related]
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the interview with hymowitz starts at part 3.
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should have posted the direct link to part 3:
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Everyone here assumes Kay is trying to find the truth. I believe she is simply seeking to justify her own prejudices and to offer consolence -for the price of her book -to the legions of spinsters who will read it. It is written justification for their failures. Kay has seen a market niche and is seeking to exploit it. Seeling the truth about PUA simply gets in the way of that effort.
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Her audience is blowing good money on this that could be going toward Cat Chow and multicat Tidy Cat litter.
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[…] Setting The Record Straight « Citizen Renegade […]
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“interview with hymowitz starts at part 3.”
A Fellow at the Manhattan Institute discusses what is wrong with men.
Any fellow could tell you what is wrong with women.
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/ugly-people-261.htm
And any fellow here could tell you that’s whats wrong with men.
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I posted a comment over on the Daily Beast that seems to have been censored. Since my comment was both polite and even deferential to women, I have to assume that the moderators did not want to consider what I had to say.
My comment was that many men may choose not to get married for reasons having nothing to do with feminism or the perceived faults of American women. There are, in fact, many fine women out there.
The reason why many men may choose not to get married is simply that they may have other dreams and goals that are incompatible with it. For men of average means, the marriage/kids thing represents 30 years of wage/debt slavery. Some of us may instead choose to live a frugal life, spend out time and money on the things we do enjoy such as outdoor sports and travel, and save money for international retirement. This is far more appealing than 30 years of wage/debt slavery for the oversized house, the expensive cars, and the college education for the two kids. I’m not sure I consider the later to even be a sane choice.
My other comment was about the definition of adulthood. Being an adult is about accepting responsibility for ones actions and achieving some measure of self-reliance. That’s it, period. I have never considered entry into any kind of fiduciary relationship with others to be a necessary criterion of adulthood.
Kay Hymowitz’s problem is not that she is anti-male. Her problem is simply that she lacks imagination.
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Welcome to samsara. You will suffer during your stay.
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Lem22:
I have to agree. These PUA’s think they are getting free sex. I guess their time has no value.
They remind me of people who grow their own food because home grown food is “free” and “better” than store bought. They must have nothing better to do with their time. Or, like people who abandon a well paid job back East to move to Nevada to indulge their love of skiing. Sure, they get to ski a lot on good snow, but they have closed out many other options in life by abandoning a well paid career. And, after a while, you do get tired of skiing. Women become very boring after a short while.
I agree with, and benefit from, their insights into the workings of the female mind and body. I agree completely with their contempt for male beta behavior in all its variations. I think marriage is a great big con job, a sickening trap for many if not most men.
However, I think chasing after women is both time consuming and degrading, especially if a man neglects other important pursuits in life.
Make a life, make money, and buy the milk. Having to ask a cow for milk is pathetic.
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@Fred and Lem22
Stick around here because, while you have a normal male attitude to begin with (that would drive the PUA Purists, SocialCons and Feminist Trolls crazy), you can learn how to get if for free here without sacrificing your valuable time.
Quality can be measured by “mileage”. Exceptions exist but there are few cases where a pro with 20 or more guys under her belt will be more desirable in bed than an 18 year old virgin. Because of this, I would never use a pro. With at least some game, one doesn’t have to.
Sure, if you are talking to a non-professional (most women) and one has tried other methods besides money and it just ain’t working in the time-frame you’re willing to spare for a particular woman, as long as you’ve at least built attraction and DHVs with a woman, you can go ahead and make an indecent proposal after you’ve asked to do the same thing for free and gotten too much hesitation on that. You will be surprised by the number of women who have been waiting for the right guy to make an indecent proposal. Only an asshole would ask to pay but women love assholes.
You can do all the above within 20 minutes of meeting someone. So you can’t make the argument that “Time is Money” as an excuse to use professionals.
But remember that, with game, you often don’t have to pay.
Let’s take a hypothetical trip to Las Vegas as a scenario:
You arrive and set up your convention booth and, late at night, you go to a bar with your colleagues and newly hired convention employees to establish a team spirit and modus operandi for the coming week.
Yes, you won’t have time to game women besides getting your own workers willing to work overtime all week for you.
Afterward you go to bed because you have to get up early. After a long next day concentrating on business and dinner with clients in the evening, you finally have time for some social life of your own without the need to be with your workers.
You go see the fountains outside of the Bellagio. Next to you is an 18 year old 10 with her parents and sister from the midwest. You have a great conversation but it just ain’t going to happen with someone so young and sweet and with her parents.
After the tourist family walks away, you feel you need to get laid fast because the young virgin from the midwest was just too sexy.
So you call a limo and it takes you 75 minutes into the desert to the Bunny Ranch.
There you hook up with a 23 year old 9 for $300 and shower afterwards and consider it all a great evening (despite knowing that she’d been with 50+ men before you). You are back in Las Vegas in bed alone by 1 in the morning and continue a good week of business. But you wonder about those 50+ men.
You might ask where did you go wrong here.
The best answer is that the trip out to the Bunny Ranch cost you two and a half hours you could have used for a much better experience. Time is money, remember.
Game could have gotten you to separate that 18 year old tourist and her sister from her parents or allowed you to quickly find some beautiful foreign exchange student tourist who would quickly agree, maybe with her female friend, to have a late night meal with you in the Paris Casino or Belaggio (of course at your expense – women in the age group men want mostly can’t afford the best places).
During the meal, if you behave alpha like Charlie Sheen, you can get away with strongly suggesting (not asking) that you all have fun by going back to your great hotel room and strip (no money mentioned, although a female tourist wanting to stay a few days more in Vegas might be bold and ask at this point). Once multiple women are stripping for you in your hotel room, things can only go UPHILL from there. Again, many women will do this for free because of the thrill they get doing it for a man bold enough to ask.
You will be getting someone higher quality than a pro, as measured in mileage, IQ, personality and hopefully less fear of catching something.
Unlike your time consuming trip to the Bunny Ranch, it could be up to you if you want them to spend the night and up to you if you’d like to see them the next evening after the convention or if you feel confident enough that you could do it all over again with a completely different set of tourists.
As an aside, I’ve found it’s easier to work two women sexually than one if one wants a quick payoff. Threesomes are easier to get than regular experiences because the two women cancel out each other’s ASD (anti-slut defenses), enabling their hamsters (running the wheel in their mind) to feel well fed and running in the right direction.
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Doug1 disagrees with you. He says it’s impossible to move in upper class social circles or above and have kids without being married.
I’ve asked him to expound and he expounded with silence.
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However, I think chasing after women
None of you geniuses can seem to grasp the concept of pussy inertia. Anyone who thinks purchasing a woman is inexpensive compared to gaming a woman has either too little game or too much money. How much does 5 overnight stays cost when you do a proper comparison?? Gaming makes way more economic sense.
By the way “chasing” means you are doing it wrong.
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“However, I think chasing after women is both time consuming and degrading, especially if a man neglects other important pursuits in life.”
It’s not the kill, it’s the thrill of the chase – Deep Purple, circa 1984.
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fred said: “However, I think chasing after women is both time consuming and degrading, especially if a man neglects other important pursuits in life.”
When it comes to Heather Mills and the $50 mil she got divorcing Paul McCartney after making his life miserable for 3 years, it would been (even at Eliot Spitzer rates for call girls) far cheaper and much more cost effective for our Beatle to have have rented by the hour.
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it would been (even at Eliot Spitzer rates for call girls) far cheaper and much more cost effective for our Beatle to have have rented by the hour.
Except the multitude of whores would have called the manhating bitch lawyer Gloria Allred saying that they had been abused by Sir Paul and needed millions for pain and suffering.
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Now THERE is a habit
you should
mimic
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The fact is that the majority of men who learn and use game are well-adjusted and successful in life, and simply want the tools to meet, seduce and bring more pleasure to beautiful women, or to meet and seduce that one perfect woman, fall in love with her, and minimize the chance that infidelity will tear them apart.
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In life, war and business, everything is about end game. So what’s the end game with women? Age and get ugly with another dead end relationship in your 50’s? End game must be marriage with true love. Is this a quest for the grail or just an endless revolving door?
She’s clumsy about her criticism, but he blind shots hit the target. The blog never talks end game (other than dying with porn from your x’s).
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Why do chicks dig jerks?
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“Why do chicks dig jerks?”
Same reason guys dig young, hot chicks.
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You can “walk” a cat? Why would anyone want to do that? Why would anyone want a cat?
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Who would have thought. I would have pegged this post to have a 500+ comment thread.
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Woof, cat kills rodents. It is an efficient killing machine designed for that purpose. If you live in semi-rural or rural settings, youse appreciate what that means.
Just the sight of a looming cat for a cornered rodent means almost certain heart attack. The poor critter almost jumps by the force of the throb.
“Walk” the cat does no compute. Granted, my cat walks with me to the PO box. If I am to walk beyond that point, I simply say to my cat: “Stay”. She knows what that means.
I suppose “walk” the cat means something different.
Yours with w00f! w00f!
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I am old enough to remember different times. Nearly 60 years ago, the designation of alpha/beta would be reflected in societal hierarchy. But as the family life was concerned, there were few betas (supplicants) and they were a source of derision reflected in comedies of these times.
The head of the family, a man, was alpha within that structure. It was regardless that in some specific regional configurations of extended family, it may have been a matrone that reigned supreme. More of an aberration than a rule. Within the basic unit, a family, the man was still the alpha.
My extended family counted about 500 members. There were about 4 betas in that group and one (1) omega.
The gender roles were well defined, fine grained by millennia of social organization. Some Greek sources report matriarchal organizations of certain tribes, but that was about three millennia ago. The salient point is that these societies did not survive.They couldn’t. With the first wave of Dorian Greek that were no pushovers, matriarchal societies of Mediterranean area went on the trash heap of history. In other parts of the world, there were no such structures, anywhere.
With the current harridanism (called by some “feminism”), we are to witness something similar. History does not repeat itself, it rhymes.
In not that distant future, the society will unravel. The writing is on the wall for all that are willing to see. The end of harridanism era would be abrupt. The rent seekers (most “modern” women) will have no one to turn to. There will be nothing to give them once the economies will collapse, because they’re built from fictitious instruments.
The time of family alpha male will be back, in a few short years. Not just alpha, the adjective “family” is crucial. Because descendants of that structure will inherit the world.
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Heh
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Bollocks. A shallow observation.
Going for symmetry and apparent signs of reproductive health is in a direct opposition of using an effed up mental process closely resembling Stockholm syndrome for a mate selection.
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“Child-men,” Hymowitz talks about. Ok, if so, I want my damn Cadbury Creme Eggs then (hey, they wuz da sh*t when they came out in the ’80s). Dig the ad… everybody knew the clucking Cadbury Bunny.
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i wish i had time to address all the bs and doublespeak in this post but i will mention two instances: ch loves women and ch loves to be in love.
[Editor: To the unloved and unloveable the world looks like a cynical ploy.]
you dont love women, you love sex, you love their pussy but not the women.
[Incorrect. Pussy is a necessary but not sufficient precondition for love.]
love involves a bit of self-sacrifice and i have never see any of that in your posts.
[Define self-sacrifice. Be specific. And then once you’re done defining that, explain to the studio audience how posts about my “self-sacrifice” benefit them.]
you also dont love to be in love.
[Are you my designated emotion feeler? Hey, can I recruit you to make me feel waves of pleasure when I’m constipated?]
you love the feeling of something new and different.
[Pussy variety is a pleasure unto itself, but that doesn’t preclude feeling real love. As a woman, I don’t expect you to understand this.]
this may be called infatuation not love.
[Love without infatuation is friendship and obligatory family gatherings.]
love is something you feel even when things are not going well.
[Despite your implied claim to monk-like control of your emotions, most people can get angry once in a while with their lovers without losing the feeling of love for them.]
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