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You’ll Need Hard Negs For Facebook Game

March 4, 2011 by CH

If you want to hit on women through Facebook you’d better bring granite game. Facebook walls boost people’s self-esteems through the roof.

Facebook walls can have a positive influence on the self-esteem of college students, report social media researchers at Cornell.

This is probably because Facebook allows them to put their best face forward, says Jeffrey Hancock, associate professor of communication; users can choose what they reveal about themselves and filter anything that might reflect badly.

Feedback from friends posted publicly on people’s profiles also tend to be overwhelmingly positive, which can further boost self-esteem, said Hancock, who co-authored a paper published Feb. 24 in the journal Cyberpsychology, Behavior and Social Networking.

“Unlike a mirror, which reminds us of who we really are and may have a negative effect on self-esteem if that image does not match with our ideal, Facebook can show a positive version of ourselves,” Hancock said. “We’re not saying that it’s a deceptive version of self, but it’s a positive one.”

It may be one of the reasons why Facebook has 500 million users, who spend more than 700 billion minutes per month communicating with their friends via photos, links and status updates. [ed: you don’t say!] […]

“By providing multiple opportunities for selective self-presentation — through photos, personal details and witty comments — social-networking sites exemplify how modern technology sometimes forces us to reconsider previously understood psychological processes,” she added.

This explains Fat Girl Angle Shot. So you’ve got millions of women posting flattering pics of themselves and personal details that are uniformly positive on their FB walls, and you’ve got a bunch of cloying betas feeding the egos of these women even further with painstakingly crafted supportive comments, and you expect to make any headway with tepid game? That is a bitch shield too strong to breach.

This is one reason, among others, I advise against any sort of online game. The combination of self-selected profiles and nonstop beta adulation will boost a 5’s self-conception to a 7. Since 5s already have a self-conception of 6 thanks to the phenomenon of female upward dating momentum and the alpha cock carousel, you now have a double-strength bitch shield to bust instead of a single strength. Remember, if a 5 believes she’s a 7 (“But I *feel* like a 7!”) she is also going to believe that male 7s are not high enough status for her. Women are not truly happy unless they are dating men 0.5 to 2 sexual market value points higher than themselves. (Any higher and the discrepancy would be too large to sustain a relationship beyond a short fling or one night stand. Some women intuitively grasp this, which is why the scenario of ugly girls preemptively dumping significantly higher status boyfriends is not so rare. They’re sparing their feelings from the pain they know is coming.)

The reality, of course, is that the male 7 is two full points higher than the female 5. But the Facebook wall has meddled with the primal forces of nature. An unbridgeable chasm brought about by the advance of technology has severed the organically emergent hierarchy of the dating market where there is no escape from soul withering judgments made in mere seconds. Result: If you don’t know what you’re doing, or if you prefer the path of least resistance to sex and love, you’d be best off staying away from trying to court girls on Facebook.

There is a caveat for those men who like a challenge. While a girl with an overinflated ego is no picnic to pick up, it is possible to DHV yourself by doing the opposite of the 99% of betas who felch her anus on Facebook every day. A simple neg, edgy but not too insulting, to one of her posted wall photos can be the start of a beeyootiful romance. Perhaps an alpha witty comment such as “Ok, so what’d you do with the ten other pics of yourself that didn’t make the grade?”

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  1. on March 4, 2011 at 1:19 pm walawala

    Facebook game is about DHV’ing by posting photos of you doing cool stuff and being at parties with other chicks.

    I post photos of me and chicks all the time. It increases my value if other chicks see this and wonder who these girls are.

    However….you have to close quickly by moving to a meet up.

    I have in the past made the mistake of endless rounds of “chat” that lead no where.

    Use FB as you would any other gaming tool….neg, push-pull, then “let’s xxxx”.

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  2. on March 4, 2011 at 1:20 pm RedEmperor

    ” I advise against any sort of online game. ”

    Word.

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  3. on March 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm Sober

    Sadly, it seems that OKCupid and Facebook are simply machines designed to feed over privileged egos more ego boosting bullshit.

    Facebook is still a valuable tool to scout the female scene in a smaller area though. Without facebook it would be a lot harder to see who is out there. It loses its value in a larger city where there are women everywhere, but a smaller town doesn’t necessarily have a lot of options for places to swoop women.

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  4. on March 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm Ju shih

    i am a whore

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  5. on March 4, 2011 at 1:34 pm RedEmperor

    Just one technical point.

    Don’t you have to have done something to her before you could felch her?

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  6. on March 4, 2011 at 1:41 pm simmer

    Two main demographics of facebook – high schoolers/college students, and losers

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  7. on March 4, 2011 at 1:45 pm Firepower

    online game is for fools and losers.
    FGAS proves it.

    The Online Jared Gen
    and the Meghan Gen
    lives in all consuming
    Fantasy Land

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  8. on March 4, 2011 at 1:45 pm julian

    Roissy’s analysis of American women delusional self inflated value on the sexual market explains why girls who are below my SMV are always the ones who eye-fuck me, flutter their eyes and give strong IOI’s. I am brutally honest about my SMV and honestly I would be happy with a woman at my level. I would be *happier* with a woman 1 to 2 points higher than me in looks but I do not find it absolutely necessary to my life satisfaction.

    This is of course where game becomes absolutely essential to a man. However, it is sad to know that based on pure objective metrics a man cannot attract a woman of equal value.

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  9. on March 4, 2011 at 1:46 pm Firepower

    wtf is up with the tool sockpuppet posting.

    bleh – KILL it

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  10. on March 4, 2011 at 1:48 pm G.L. Piggy

    it was much easier to pick up chicks on the anonymous, faceless AOL IM from back in the day. problem was most of the chicks who were down were wildebeests.

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  11. on March 4, 2011 at 1:54 pm A. Nonny.mous

    Ugh, facebook game is a non-starter. Why bother having them be able to stalk family members and friends?

    Do what I do when a chick asks me “Do you have facebook?”

    “No.”

    “Why?”

    “Because I’m not a girl.”

    Bang. Neg + positive protection. Never fails to move the conversation along and prevent fishing into it further.

    P.s. I do have a facebook page, not -un-ironically made by an ex-gf of mine while we were dating (who was also much younger) who insisted I have one, since all of her friends have one.

    My picture shows the back of my head. I have only family members and close buddies on it, and everything is locked down on super-privacy settings. Oh, I “unfriended” the gf who made it for me the moment we were kaputski.

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  12. on March 4, 2011 at 1:56 pm Workshy Joe

    collegeslacker’s blog has a great post on Facebook Game.

    Like the Chateau’s advice here, its contrary-all-the-way. Doing stuff that’s different from every other chode.

    Personally, I’m not on Facebook, but then I also have a steady girlfriend now.

    If I was a single man running daygame or sarging in bars I don’t think I would do that well with chicks under 30 by telling them that I wasn’t on Facebook.

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  13. on March 4, 2011 at 2:00 pm julian

    That being said, I want to add one more thing. I have been doing some serious analysis as to the amount of female attention pre and post my body transformation. In the last 8 weeks I have lost 15 lbs of body fat and the reaction I have received by women has if I am conservative TRIPLED. This includes women at my work, at my school, on the street and in my social circle. Yes, tripled and that’s probably undercutting it.

    I am now 12% bf and looking to be at 8% in 8 weeks. So I was definitely not fat but in that weird chubster zone where 15 lbs has made a considerable difference in my face and in my body silhouette. So, one pretty lie that needs to be destroyed is that a slender strong body is not a massive DHV, at least in America. Roissy talks alot about *bang for your buck* when it comes to Game. I agree. For the amount of time spending learning game the returns are phenomenal. Likewise, in 3 months of meticulous diet, exercise and body transformation the returns are PHENOMENAL. Hit the gym gentlemen, but most importantly watch what you eat. That has been in my estimation the biggest reason for my steady and consistent results.

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  14. on March 4, 2011 at 2:00 pm Timothy Webster

    Link please. For collegeslackers blog.

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  15. on March 4, 2011 at 2:06 pm itsme

    damn. i threw up a little in my mouth after clicking on that fat girl angle shot link.

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  16. on March 4, 2011 at 2:07 pm A. Nonny.mous

    Workshy Joe :I don’t think I would do that well with chicks under 30 by telling them that I wasn’t on Facebook.

    Works fine for me. I think it sets me apart, makes me seem distant and aloof. Every guy under 35 has a facebook page, as does every woman under 50. If you’re not on it, and you disdain it, it adds mystery (“what is he hiding?”) and, if you sell it as being disdainful of the entire process, its a guaranteed DHV.

    I’ve never had a problem with women, even 22 and under, when I tell them I’m not on fb.

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  17. on March 4, 2011 at 2:23 pm Workshy Joe

    @Timothy Webster:

    http://collegeslacker.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/facebook-game-for-hooking-up-in-college-2/

    It starts off with the obvious stuff, but the real goods are near the end. Its what he DOESN’T do that’s interesting.

    @A. Nonny.mous:

    I like your approach of “I’m not on Facebook because I’m not a girl.”

    I’m in the UK where 30 million people (half the population) are now on Zuckerberg’s data-mining Borg.

    I’ve avoided it up to now and its good to hear that your results with women have not been harmed by ignoring Facebook.

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  18. on March 4, 2011 at 2:23 pm The Alchemist

    I’ve been telling girls that yes, I am on fb; but no, I wont friend them. I let them know Its nothing personal, I just don’t do that with girls that I’m dating or have the potential to date. They always ask why, which I follow up with dhv stories of girls stalking me or making a scene on fb etc.. it drives them nuts with intrigue, they can’t stand that u wont let them on and always think you’re hiding something

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  19. on March 4, 2011 at 2:30 pm Alpha Cat

    Its a waste of time. Remember that sarcasm doesn’t translate to text well, and most girls are dumb as shit, and won’t understand the neg. Hit as hard as you like, she is always going to delete it and leave only the good comments from orbiters.

    I knew a girl that went to great lengths to leave only the best stuff on her page, and only good photos. She was very careful at removing her club/stripper shots from the public eye, and whoever she got photos with random guys, etc.

    Facebook is a waste of time, and online game doesn’t work.

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  20. on March 4, 2011 at 2:33 pm Firepower

    G.L. Piggy

    it was much easier to pick up chicks on the anonymous, faceless AOL IM from back in the day. problem was most of the chicks who were down were wildebeests.

    damn dude, you must’ve racked up one HELL of a notchcount

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  21. on March 4, 2011 at 2:33 pm askjoe

    cracked had an article that points out how evil facebook is. Once you’re in, you can’t get out.

    I think this

    This explains Fat Girl Angle Shot. So you’ve got millions of women posting flattering pics of themselves and personal details that are uniformly positive on their FB walls, and you’ve got a bunch of cloying betas feeding the egos of these women even further with painstakingly crafted supportive comments, and you expect to make any headway with tepid game? That is a bitch shield too strong to breach.

    should be a must read disclaimer before one become a facebook zombie. so true. FGAS and beta ego growing (BEG) are par for course.

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  22. on March 4, 2011 at 2:45 pm Schmoe

    ” I advise against any sort of online game. ”
    Particularly match.com type sites. What a haven for stalkers.

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  23. on March 4, 2011 at 2:48 pm Lara

    I need to update my profile picture and yes I planning on taking and rejecting a lot of pictures until I find one I like.

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  24. on March 4, 2011 at 2:53 pm Firepower

    @lara

    and all along i thought you were a reasonable weight.

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  25. on March 4, 2011 at 3:01 pm quetal

    I’ve used some good backhanded comp. on FB

    “I dont care what anyone says, I find you look great in that dress!”

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  26. on March 4, 2011 at 3:11 pm Dude

    A few weeks ago was a popular girls birthday. By the time I looked at her page she probably had 100 “happy birthday [name]!! can’t wait to see ya tonight!” posts from friends and herbs alike. Going the opposite direction, I posted a simple “sup”. She “liked” it (the only post on her entire wall that she “liked”), and guess who hooked up with the birthday girl?

    Facebook game is easy. Just look at what everyone else does and do the opposite.

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  27. on March 4, 2011 at 3:30 pm Workshy Joe

    @Alchemist: That sounds like a good strategy too. She has to qualify herself to you. Gets the hamster spinning. Love it!

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  28. on March 4, 2011 at 3:32 pm Anonymous

    F*ck Facebook… if you want to go that way, just skip right to Adult Friend Finder. Cut out the B.S.

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  29. on March 4, 2011 at 3:40 pm guy1138

    I have about 20 friends on facebook, all actual friends in real life (I’m in my mid 30s). When I’m gaming a girl or she’s one of my spinning plates, facebook always comes up. I tell them that “yes I’m on facebook but its only for real life friends”.

    They instantly shit test and ask for my acct name so they can be added. I tell them no, “I never friend girls I am sleeping with”

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  30. on March 4, 2011 at 3:41 pm Doug1

    Julian–

    This is of course where game becomes absolutely essential to a man. However, it is sad to know that based on pure objective metrics a man cannot attract a woman of equal value.

    Game natural (picked up by osmosis in childhood and to some extent genetic dominance characteristics) or learned, IS a large part of a man’s SMV. It’s not some trick on the side.

    Roissy has ranked the components of a man’s SMV in order as: 1) status; 2) game; 3) looks (esp. height); and 4) money. I think that’s probably right for casual sex and relationships with younger girls. As girls past their mid 20s and looking for more serious relationships I think 3 & 4 often or usually get reversed.

    Alphas and lesser alphas can get girls of the same SMV, 9s and 8’s, though it’s generally a good bit harder and may take longer. He’s also got to be fully on his game when he’s going for the same SMV as his.

    Greater betas (male 7) and middle betas (6 & 5) have a hard time getting girls of the same sex rank for casual or quick sex. That’s because female 7’s and 6’s who are willing to be slutty or kinda good girls deluding themselves, can attract alphas and lesser alphas (male 9’s & 8’s) to screw them, though it generally turns out without commitment. They keep hoping one of these alpha guys is gonna turn out to be a guy who wants commitment to them.

    And of course the contemporary urban standards for what it takes to make a girl a slut, especially in the eyes of sluttier and more feminist girls, have gone way up in numbers, and urban anonymity offers her the hope her rep with some won’t get around to a husband prospect down the road. And besides, cool guys don’t care she tells herself, right.

    Greater and middle betas can often can get committed LTRs with more good girl types of the same SMV or maybe one lower. Lesser betas on down are kinda shit out of luck, till marriage time. Lower omegas tend to be period.
    However, it is sad to know that based on pure objective metrics a man cannot attract a woman of equal value.

    Alphas and lesser alphas can get girls of the same SMV, 9s and 8’s, though it’s generally a little harder. There has to be more of a personality compatibility going. It’s just that game, natural (picked up by osmosis in childhood and to some extent genetic dominance characteristics) or learned, is a large part of a man’s game. Roissy has ranked the components of a man’s SMV in order as: 1) status; 2) game; 3) looks (esp. height); and 4) money. I think that’s probably right for casual sex and relationships with younger girls. As girls past their mid 20s and looking for more serious relationships I think 3 & 4 often or usually get reversed.

    Greater betas (7) and middle betas (6 & 5) have a hard time getting girls of the same sex rank for casual or quick sex. That’s because 7’s and 6’s who are willing to be slutty or kinda good girls deluding themselves, attract alphas and lesser alphas (male 9’s & 8’s) to screw them, though it generally turns out without commitment. They keep hoping on of these alpha guys is gonna turn out to be a guy who wants commitment to them.

    Greater and middle betas can often can get committed LTRs with more good girl types of the same SMV or maybe one lower. Lesser betas on down are kinda shit out of luck, till marriage time. Lower omegas tend to be period.

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  31. on March 4, 2011 at 3:42 pm Sid

    Here is decent FB game:

    There was a very attractive girl, a verbatim 9, who had self-shot herself. She was smiling with even white teeth, managing to angle the shot just right so that you could see her sitting with shorts, her legs revealed.

    Five people liked it.

    White Beta Male with his name written in katakana: Radiant.

    Beta Male twice her age: Your always so beautiful!!

    Grrlfriend: so pretty~!

    Chick with a mirror shot: Man I wanna pierce my nose soooo bad! I like the hoop on you 🙂

    AzN Beta: Bang’n

    Duckfaced Douchebag: holy sheeet

    Me: I like your left eye better.

    She immediately responded to me, and to me alone: “Hahaha!”

    [Editor: Heh. Well played, Sid.]

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  32. on March 4, 2011 at 4:25 pm Good Luck Chuck

    julian

    That being said, I want to add one more thing. I have been doing some serious analysis as to the amount of female attention pre and post my body transformation. In the last 8 weeks I have lost 15 lbs of body fat and the reaction I have received by women has if I am conservative TRIPLED. This includes women at my work, at my school, on the street and in my social circle. Yes, tripled and that’s probably undercutting it.

    It’s amazing what a few pounds will do for some people.

    I carry weight fairly well, but as soon as I dip below 190lbs the unsolicited attention I get from ladies goes through the roof.

    Like you said, it’s about body silhouette and facial appearance. Five to ten pounds makes all the difference in the world for me.

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  33. on March 4, 2011 at 4:31 pm JT

    Gave up on internet gaming, but in the early days I responded to a hot chick posting a hot photo, “Aw, bad day? Need a hug?” and later “How come you never post a photo of your SAT scores?” Bang.

    But my real point was a great way to get photos on my old myspace page was when traveling overseas I asked hot girls on the street to be in a photo with me. James Bond shit compared to the normal club photos.

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  34. on March 4, 2011 at 4:39 pm Evil Alpha

    @Julian

    So, one pretty lie that needs to be destroyed is that a slender strong body is not a massive DHV, at least in America

    You were soft and girlie, and now you aren’t. No need to go all “feminist” on us and overstate the effect of male looks.

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  35. on March 4, 2011 at 4:58 pm Dan

    I’m a college student and one of the few people in college who don’t have a facebook. Facebook is a massive female gossip machine. 99% of the content is entirely vapid and meaningless which is why women love it so much.

    Facebook does not match my style and I think I am much better off without it. It is also a massive time-sink with hardly any tangible return. Good on those like CollegeSlacker and Sid who have managed to game facebook to their needs. You sirs are game pioneers.

    As for me I prefer to maintain mysterious. Facebook can make one seem too familiar and available if you’re not careful Thus, I think keeping your facebook page and activities as sparse and laconic as possible is a necessity.

    I have been told by girls they spent time looking for my Facebook page but couldn’t find it. I would assume this produced at least some gina tingles.

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  36. on March 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm Dan

    @Julian, Good Luck Chuck

    In complete agreement about the working out/being in shape thing. It can make a massive difference.

    I have always been very strong and could lift a ton of weight but was still kind of chubby. By no means fat but enough flab for a bit to show up on my face and silhouette.

    In the past 2 month or so, I have drastically improved my eating habits, kept up with lifting and began doing running or interval training on days I didn’t lift. I am slowly but steadily losing weight and my face looks much more masculine and chiseled. The muscles on my body are visible now and my waist is getting smaller. Am developing a bit of a nice V shape on my torso. Bitches be checking me out more for sure.

    I have also stopped masturbating and looking at porn entirely. Have felt much more energetic and confident. People in general seem easier to manage and I just feel better overall. I don’t think I have ever been in consistently such a good mood for such a long time.

    I am starting to get the swing of this. I am very slowly becoming alpha. I would still be in the beta rut without the help of this blog/board.

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  37. on March 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm collegeslacker

    Gotta love the ever entertaining fat girl angle shot.

    Anytime some random chick tries to add me, if her pics only show her face you know shes fat.

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  38. on March 4, 2011 at 5:42 pm julian

    @

    Evil Alpha

    “You were soft and girlie, and now you aren’t. No need to go all “feminist” on us and overstate the effect of male looks.”

    Yeah, I definitely had subcutaneous fat but underneath that was a great deal of muscle. I have been lifting weights for over 5 + years but I never honed in on the macros of my diet.

    As for the feminist jibe; not even close. I am latino and in my culture that shit does not fly. This is part of the reason I didn’t have any problems accepting the outline of Roissy’s ideas. I was simply stating the overall objective difference being slender and strong makes with regards to female attention.

    Also, I am *very* confident that I am not overstating the difference. I have been a reporter for over 10 years and observing and analyzing people and their motivations is something that I do in my sleep.

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  39. on March 4, 2011 at 5:52 pm Gorbachev

    Everything is against you.
    – No social skills work for you.
    – Everyone is there. No way to single yourself out.
    – Adulation. And not for you.
    – Facebook is relentless MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME all day all the time.

    Email game? Don’t.

    Text game? No.

    Online game? Contradiction in terms.

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  40. on March 4, 2011 at 6:21 pm Anonymous

    Facebook blows… well, actually, no, it can’t (that’s the problem).

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  41. on March 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm Tinderbox

    Facebook is just a modern communication tool, and swearing it off makes about as much sense as swearing off phones or emails. Avoiding Facebook entirely is likely to make you invisible to younger women who won’t understand that kind of aloofness and won’t bother going to the extra trouble to unearth you from your non-technological cave.

    Instead treat Facebook as a powerful public relations device. Use it to your advantage. It’s not beta to be on it, but avoid the pitfalls:

    — Don’t spend every waking moment on it.
    — Don’t play video games on it.
    — Post sparingly and make sure that what you do post is intriguing. You doing interesting things, being in interesting situations or with charismatic people or winners. You’re checking in periodically from your man’s life that chicks will want to participate in.
    — Keep all communications with girls on there to edgy flirting. Don’t become another one of their girlfriends or orbiters.
    — Leave your Relationship Status single or hidden and never touch it.
    — Accept friendships from attractive women only. Who cares if you know them all well in real life or not, they’re serving as preselection and DHV towards girls who will snoop in your friends list. If you don’t want strangers leaving comments etc then just up the security level on them.
    –Leave family off of Facebook or have a separate profile for them.

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  42. on March 4, 2011 at 7:48 pm sup

    Tinderbox is right. If you do facebook right, you can come off as very intriguing and mysterious. you can also use it play women off each other in ways that you simply cannot do ‘in real life’.

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  43. on March 4, 2011 at 7:52 pm Bhetti

    Tinderbox: What’re your thoughts on the ‘It’s complicated’ status…?

    Facebook’s become pretty critical to managing hectic uni social life, as well as a centralised tool of just knowing what’s happening culturally speaking and memetically speaking online and off. London’s a busy city, and a lot of other events are relayed to me via facebook. I don’t get people’s numbers or emails primarily, I friend them on facebook.

    I can see the difficulties with it being used as a dating tool. Cold approaches do not work as far as I can tell. Even I don’t bother ignoring friend requests from guys and leave them on the list, just because having the random dudes who I don’t know wanting to add me is an ego boost.

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  44. on March 4, 2011 at 8:55 pm collegeslacker

    @tinderbox

    You couldn’t be more right about how avoiding facebook makes you invisible to young girls. I can speak from experience.

    For awhile there I had sworn off social media altogether because I was so fucking fed up with it, and I ended up deleting my facebook. Nothing really positive came from it. Some girls were intrigued by it, but for the most part it hurt more than it helped.

    Hate it or love it, social media is a central part of a young girls life these days. They love it. If you’re trying to bang college age girls you are really handicapping yourself by not having a facebook.

    Argh this was hard to type ill see you guys tomorrow

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  45. on March 4, 2011 at 11:14 pm Sid

    My dictum is: do as little as you can, given your status and situation. Facebook is a waste of time if you’re well-connected socially, and seasoned in the Crimson Arts. If you’re a younger guy, though, there’s no shame in Facebook. The Naughty Nomad thinks that number closing is outdated because of it.

    Let me put it this way: in The Game, Style concluded, when he was in the height of his game, that “sarging is for losers.” For him, he was right. He could share a McMansion and expect his harem to vie for his attention. If you’re George Clooney, you don’t need to approach a girl in a bar from the right angle and come up with a clever opener. But for 99.8% of guys, just showing up in a bar and sitting around by yourself like Don Draper will just make you look weird.

    If you can get away with ignoring Facebook, do it. But if your chances of getting laid decrease because you don’t have one, what’s wrong with you?

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  46. on March 4, 2011 at 11:19 pm walawala

    @college slacker

    “”Hate it or love it, social media is a central part of a young girls life these days. They love it. If you’re trying to bang college age girls you are really handicapping yourself by not having a facebook.””

    This is important to note. Not sure the age of many posters here, but to suggest that social media “beta” is ignoring reality.

    Social media is a platform, a pipeline, a way of connecting.

    If you’re not part of it, chicks will think you’re “old”….bad.

    The idea is not to ignore it or crap all over it as “beta”, but rather to demonstrate that by being part of it you can DHV.

    I post photos of my cool trips. I post interesting articles.

    I neg girls with comments.

    But like in real life…it you appear “try-hard”…or needy…clingy…always available…..you WILL be beta.

    It’s about using the platform to DHV.

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  47. on March 4, 2011 at 11:23 pm walawala

    @Gorby….

    “”Email game? Don’t.

    Text game? No.

    Online game? Contradiction in terms.””

    In Asia, China, HK, Korea….chicks live online.

    Their whole persona is about getting attention in a “safe’ environment.

    A well-placed comment, a cool video…a two-word rejoinder to some banal “My cat won’t stop sneezing” status update….will demonstrate that you “get it”…

    To ignore it is to ignore reality and you will look out of touch.

    Be in…but not TOO in…

    Be the organizer of stuff.

    Be seen as someone who posts interesting photos of yourself…preferably with other chicks.

    The girl I’m seeing now, loves this stuff. The photos we’ve taken become her “wallpaper”…

    They love that you’ve changed your photo profile.

    But read the posts here about being a herb or being beta.

    Any photos of you preening like a dork= DLV.

    Snowboarding, surfing….etc…=DHV

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  48. on March 5, 2011 at 2:33 am Reality Check

    The combination of self-selected profiles and nonstop beta adulation will boost a 5′s self-conception to a 7.

    Eh… not so fast Roissy…

    The nonstop beta adulation can make a 5 feel even like an 8… or sometimes even a 9… if you can believe it.

    Especially if said, um, “princess” has a college “edumacation”, especially if its from an one of the local degree mills that so many prolish wymmyn with aspirations are duped into attending.

    Damage to her expectations is often irreparable in these cases – especially if her local ‘peer’ group is like that beta boy character ‘Dean’ from the super-realistic movie Blue Valentine.

    Roissy – devote a whole post to all that I am delineating here with the Chateau bro’s — as well as for the reading pleasure of some of the Chateau’s ho’s (no offense ladies – love you all lots, but y’all need a real schooling) 😉

    Dowidzenia (and no, I’m not Polish, but have a fair amount of experience with der Polonie)

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  49. on March 5, 2011 at 4:17 am Marellus

    [ This conversation started beneath a photo of a girl’s laptop : ]

    Me :

    .. ha, now I understand, the screen must look like that … to chase all the bugs away …

    Her :

    haha..cool graffiti!!dont u think?XD

    Me :

    … I’ll ask one of them scared bugs after they went for therapy …

    Her :

    haha..howcome its can chase bugs?

    Me :

    … OK, I’ll tell the scared bugs to come and talk to you, and you be nice to them you hear … so put away the bug spray … no I can still see it behind your back … why is your tummy looking bigger now ??? … ah, I see … now take the bug spray out … and GIVE it to your sister … no, that’s your MOTHER … I know she hates bugs … N, forget the calculus. From now on you’re watching CNN.

    Her :

    hahaha..hilarious!!doesnt hve that channel lol..if i’ve it,i dont hve to read the chicken text that u’re given to me before..=)

    [Well, I can reply further methinks … but should I ??? ]

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  50. on March 5, 2011 at 6:54 am Anonymous

    Now for the technical advice:

    Imagine a feminist utopia where every move a guy makes (his “activities”) can be monitored by all the women he knows on a control panel called a “newsfeed”.

    Imagine men in this utopia stupidly believing that the only thing they broadcast to all of the women around them simultaneously is what they write on their own wall; where stupid men don’t know that, if they write “sup” like a cool dude on the walls of a few women, all the women will see instantly that he wrote “sup” those women in the course of 15 minutes.

    That’s Facebook.

    In real life, women don’t see what you do when you turn the corner and chat up another female.

    But women run Facebook. Get it?

    Now you can shut this functionality down so your activities don’t get broadcast. But that is so complicated it would take an entire post. They don’t want you to shut this down.

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  51. on March 5, 2011 at 7:11 am Anymous

    More information on what Facebook is actually doing for the human psyche: http://psp.sagepub.com/content/37/1/120.abstract

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  52. on March 5, 2011 at 9:37 am Evil Alpha

    As for the feminist jibe; not even close. I am latino and in my culture that shit does not fly…. I was simply stating the overall objective difference being slender and strong makes with regards to female attention.
    Also, I am *very* confident that I am not overstating the difference. I have been a reporter for over 10 years and observing and analyzing people and their motivations is something that I do in my sleep.

    Julian,

    Feminists are fond of falsifying what it takes to be successful in bedding women. Their two biggest pieces of advice to beta suckers is to be nicer and to spend more time in the gym. Well the truth is that being less nice and spending more time away from McDonalds are the correct recommendations… with the caveat that male looks aren’t even at the top of the female attraction list.

    As a former D1 college athlete, who currently doesn’t do anything more than 30 minutes of cardio and the occasional incline press I can tell you that just not being fat will get you the same amount of pussy as being in great shape…. and without all time and effort..

    So while I am sure you personally are seeing a difference from all the working out, your individual results do not change the limited value that women place on male appearance.

    You had 15lbs of pure chub to lose and are now at a reasonable 12%bf so you definitely were fat to start with. Dropping even further to 8% will not make a noticeable change in your current receptivity from women. Yet you think it will. That is what I mean by don’t go “feminist”. Staying unfat is all men need to do, yet you are hellbent on going overboard.

    From an older post… In descending order of importance, here are the male attractiveness traits that women desire in men:
    Psychosocial dominance (game).
    High status/fame.
    Personality (passion/charisma/humor).
    Wealth.
    Good looks/height/muscularity.
    Cleverness/smarts.
    Dependability/reliability.
    Sexual prowess.

    In other words, stop hyping the affect male appearance has on getting guys laid. Don’t look fat in your clothes is all a dude really needs to aspire to. Nothing more.

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  53. on March 5, 2011 at 10:23 am Serbi

    It is just this one Finnish guy here. I wanted to remind how big pussies the Swedish men are. Just in case someone it would be forgotten.

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  54. on March 5, 2011 at 11:45 am Cyning

    Everyone uses a flattering presentation of themselves on social media sites. I try to DHV myself with flattering shots doing cool shit, or un-DLV myself by removing unflattering pictures/info or adjusting privacy settings accordingly.

    Social networking game really doesn’t exist very much as it’s much harder to compartmentalise things than it is by text or instant messenger.

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  55. on March 5, 2011 at 1:30 pm David Rockefeller

    “I have also stopped masturbating and looking at porn entirely. Have felt much more energetic and confident. People in general seem easier to manage and I just feel better overall. I don’t think I have ever been in consistently such a good mood for such a long time.”

    Careful there, Francis. You’re on the cusp of turning into a man shows up at a supermarket parking lot with an assault rifle and starts firing.

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  56. on March 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm But inside doesnt matter

    You obtuse men. By choosing not to keep up with technology you’re foregoing the biggest social proof dhv there is. Get yourself snapshotted with a hb10 and you’ve immortalized your social proof. Comment on the photo saying “Ahhaha I am not friends with that girrrl! Its an incredible tool if you use it just as a dhv. Get it linked up and hot women friends you didnt know those women had will be checking you out. So when they finally meet you they will be nervous and have massive attraction.

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  57. on March 5, 2011 at 2:16 pm LoboSolo

    @GL … True. I used to do quite well with women in the AOL chat rooms until the teenie boppers started invading.

    This is one point I disagree with Roissy. I’ve been getting women off the internet for years … It’s like shooting fish in a barrel!

    I do it at my leisure … anytime … I don’t have to go to bar. In fact, I don’t go to bars much at all unless a bar happens to be in the restaurant.

    You could look on my FB friends and find several women that I’ve had sex with. And I leave them there after it’s over. I don’t unfriend them.

    I just had one from out of town visit me and another alerted me that she would be “in the area” this month.

    I don’t usually turn the chat feature on with FB … unless I’m really bored … too distracting.

    Oh … and I opened up an OKCupid ID as well … easy! I’m telling you guys, it is like shooting fish in a barrel and you can do from your couch with a laptop.

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  58. on March 5, 2011 at 6:45 pm Jack

    I have facebook but it’s more of an annoyance than anything else. I’m almost never in a position to take pictures with hot girls. And I don’t have much time to surf or snowboard. So I have a lame profile, which means I want to keep women away from it before I’ve banged them. Of course, eventually if I’m dating someone they’ll be my friend on there. It’s a vicious cycle – my facebook profile sucks, assuring it will suck for the foreseeable future.

    Btw, I NEVER see these “Betas” giving suckup comments on female photos. NEVER. Most guys I know rarely do anything on facebook except post some party photos.

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  59. on March 5, 2011 at 9:26 pm College Grad

    I’m glad you spent some time writing about facebook game. As one of your younger readers, I’m in the camp that game needs to keep up with technology like facebook and text game. The DHV opportunities are endless. My photos are filled with me at parties and with attractive girls. I have even been told by girls that they didn’t think I was single because of certain pictures. Also, the status update feature allows you the opportunity to make witty comments or observations that many many girls can see. Of course there’s the neg opportunities, just a few weeks ago:

    HB8: Everyday I wake up grateful that I am loved. [she is single?]
    GF1: *heart*
    GF2: yes you are!
    Me: Nicole, pet’s don’t count.
    HB8: Haha shut up!

    The only problem, and it can be pretty big, is if you are juggling more than one girl. If anyone knows how to handle girls posting leading comments on your wall and then explaining them to another, I’m all ears.

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  60. on March 6, 2011 at 8:58 am Cyning

    I just have to keep my tagged photos private to me. They’re mostly unflattering (goofy smiles, give-away body language etcetera) or me standing like a lemon in the background.

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  61. on March 6, 2011 at 11:57 am collegeslacker

    @College Grad

    Had that problem when I was taken awhile back. Tell her you and that other girl are just friends that have known each other a long time and you’re just joking around. Works every time, I’m not kidding. If you’re girl is really into you, she’ll find a way to believe it.

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  62. on March 6, 2011 at 12:05 pm the realist

    @Bhetti

    “hectic uni social life”

    I remember reading somewhere that you attend imperial college London studying medicine? is that correct? If so, you don’t have a social life and neither does anyone at your uni. It’s a science and technology college(with a substandard medecine department i might add, poorer teaching and lower entry requirements than not just oxbridge but many other uk unis. UCL comes to mind as just one institution that wipes its ass with imperial in medicine both in terms of facilities and calibre of student). Think MIT, Caltech or Stanford without the REALLY smart people. Myself and my sister attended this institution and it was a BIG MISTAKE. It’s full of nerdy and spergy types who whilst lacking genius level talent and creativity of their oxbridge peers, double down on the spergy social retardedness. It’s the last refuge for the status and prestige desperate after an oxbridge rejection leaves them with this as their last option for validation.

    That said all the students there tend to be on facebook, but you really want to head north to some real campus universities like Manchester for instance the accomodation and club scenes at these unis is second to none. The only problem is all the hottest girls will have 2000-3000 plus friends and work on the promotions scene. When you’re are in this kind of territory facebook can be VERY valuable, both as social proofing and in identifying or pursueing seduction targets. Just add a hot friend of a friend, someone youve heard about, seen around etc and a relationship, sexual or otherwise can easily blossom from there.

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  63. on March 6, 2011 at 3:39 pm Andy

    Changing the subject, for those of you in white collar jobs, how does LinkedIn (think of it as Facebook for business) work in practicing Game?

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  64. on March 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm College Grad

    @collegeslacker

    Yea that seems good. The time it happened I said something along those lines.

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  65. on March 6, 2011 at 9:55 pm Gmac

    @ Andy

    I can’t stand LinkedIn, maybe because there aren’t many (or I haven’t found them) privacy settings as with Facebook and any girl who has found out your last name can dig up some shit on your employment status/history. It’s great because you lack all of the social/image aspects of Facebook, but it’s no way to meet or approach women, period.

    I’d compare it to a career fair where everyone communicates through walls using robotic voice software — devoid of any real personal interaction or background aside from your business card… how fucking boring.

    In other words, using LinkedIn (or any other social media site for that matter) to practice game is a complete and utter waste of time, if not counterproductive. The field is the only tried and true method.

    My Facebook is hidden from anyone not already a friend, so no one can search for me much less add me. I deleted about 400 late last year (down to 150). I could trim it some more, but why bother.

    My LTR chick has started multiple arguments over the fact that I won’t “add” her and she can’t show me off to all her e-friends. Apparently, I’m “too” independent. I always find a way to play it off, whether by change the subject or make fun of her for taking it so seriously. She’s a WIL and I win every time because I’m going to do my own thing anyway.

    Screw Facebook, it’s just a beta-infested cesspool full of overinflated egos and attention-starved divas where men can openly and obsessively stalk needy women who gorge themselves on constant re-validation other needy women — who would otherwise lack the self-confidence to function in society.

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  66. on March 7, 2011 at 9:14 am A.B. Dada

    Something to try if you think Facebook is beta:

    1. Stop posting, commenting, etc.

    2. Tell the women you’re dating to hit you up on your wall when they want to see you.

    3. Tell the women you’re dating that you don’t have enough photos on there and want to remember this night. Bang, women tagging you in photos with them. Even better, let the broads tag you when they check-in to FB places.

    4. Start deleting the images you posted yourself.

    5. If a dame demands your phone number after you get hers, hand her a business card with just your name and Facebook URL on it. Acceept *her* friend request.

    You can alpha Faceboook, but it requires the labors of others, not your own.

    Also, never respond to private messages. If someone complains, just say “I don’t check them, there’s so many to go through. Post on my wall.”

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  67. on March 7, 2011 at 2:03 pm Pro

    @GMac

    The problem with LinkedIn, is that is now viewed as essential to your social status as an employee, specially if you are looking for a job or something. So, the difference with Facebook is that it is really to escape from it, because it is digged by potential employers or other people in your professional network.

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  68. on March 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm jh

    Online game is usually an inefficient use of time; you just can’t capture a desirable girl’s sexual interest nearly as easily as irl (especially if you’re a guy in his 30s or 40s who’s talking to girls in their 20s or attractive ones in their 30s.) Stimulating their mind with game-like sarcastic playfulness just doesn’t have the effect that it does when they can see the alpha in your eyes/body language as you’re doing it.

    Sure some will respond whenever you toss a little attention their way…but parlaying that into eventually getting them in bed is much more tedious and difficult than in real life interaction

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  69. on March 8, 2011 at 6:05 am wild'n cuz i'm young

    I agree for the older gents facebook game is non-essential and possibly even creepy or a hinderance, But for the college age guys it is easy and if played right deadly. One thing to note is that to pull off consistent facebook game you need to be a 7 or up in the looks dept. half of the attraction will be visual at this stage.

    1. don’t use the status update. It is beta to vomit your every emotion onto facebook

    2. Almost all of my pictures work to DHV by displaying various places I have traveled (china, alaska, canada, mexico, st. martin, backbacking in rugged areas=mountain man game, various caves ect) or pictures that girls have tagged me in

    3. Don’t post on a girls wall. If they have your number they will ALWAYS text or call you the next day. “I wrote on your wall yesterday!! but how come you didn’t write back?”

    Girls will reply to just about any initial conversation starter, after this dig in the hooks with a few interesting statements/questions that defy her expectations of the normal boring beta sludge she sees everyday.

    If she is an 8 or above neg hard with something like – “u need to get out more. Other girls are competing for your spot as my 4th favorite woman”

    after around 6-8 back and forth messages abruptly end the conversation when you can tell her interest is peaked. Throw in something like what college slacker suggested. “If your going out gimme a holla [number]”

    This takes 5 minutes of your time, and for any decent looking college male will have a high success rate of getting a girl out on the town. Proceed to game roissy style in person

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  70. on March 8, 2011 at 8:11 am CO

    In my personal experience in groups where there’s a lot of male validation (male dominated professions, internet sites, internet dating) a 2 (fat, average personality, crap looks) will behave like an 8. She will state that she wants 9 or 10 man and will settle only for 7.5 or up men. Typical case is fatties on craigslist, 35 years old, with kids thinking she will get athletic man with good job and of course he must have humor as well. He must also love dogs and kids, must treat her with respect and blah blah blah… epic lists of musts. Completely unrealistic expectations.

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  71. on March 8, 2011 at 10:31 am You’ll Need Hard Negs For Facebook Game « Citizen Renegade « The LP 72980/The LP 999 Blog

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  72. on March 8, 2011 at 9:25 pm DA Munroe

    Thanks – not – for linking to encyclopedia dramatica for your “fat girl angle shot” link. It opened a gazillion popups on me, despite pop-up blocker.
    Apart from that – I’m enjoying your site.

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  73. on March 9, 2011 at 6:01 am How Society Rejected Men and Created 4chan and Anonymous

    […] pictures of themselves in various states of undress. Any male on Facebook is at an immediate disadvantage as it honestly does nothing for him unless he documents his life to show his high […]

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  74. on March 9, 2011 at 8:17 am How Society Rejected Men and Created 4chan and Anonymous. « Anarchy in Athens

    […] pictures of themselves in various states of undress. Any male on facebook is at an immediate disadvantage as it honestly does nothing for him unless he documents his life to show his high value lifestyle. […]

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