American women get a lot of shit, and justifiably so. Compared to the average women from other nations, the average American woman is:
– fat
– entitled
– unfeminine
– sarcastic
– fat
– demanding
– phony
– really effin fat
– misogynistic
– man-hating
– divorce-happy
– career-focused
– goddamn that is one obese land whale
– self-absorbed
– loud and obnoxious
– self-deluded
– attention whoring
– manlike
– sloppy and unkempt
– skreechy, whiny, bitchy
– and, oh yeah, did I mention fat?
But this post is not about what we already know to be true about American women and their wretched character. Instead, this post is a celebration of the positive attribute of American women. And it’s a big one.
Dimitri writes in a comment to this post:
I see not americans women as the problem but these females in general.
I’m from russia and you americans men who think our women better and to make you more happy, this is not true. I think russians women are worse for wanting you for your money and yelling at you if you do not meet her wants for material things. Many russians here have little so these women demand much, maybe because they see what you americans have on tv. I hate russia women and would be glad to have a women like you americans have who do not flirt or offer sex so they can marry my money. Russias women are manipulative i think like any other women. I have seen many women of all different backgrounds who conspire to meet an end.
Even though Dimitri’s English is choppy, I think we all understand what he’s saying. And I agree with him. While my experiences with Russian women have been blessedly free of craven materialistic concerns, I have heard plenty of stories from other men attesting to the coldly calculating mindset that Russian women tend to bring to the dating market. Dimitri is in the thick of it with Russian women, and he is thus able to gain a clearer third party perspective of American women. And to him, an outsider, it looks as if American women are loose sluts who happily give it up on the basis of fleeting emotion instead of crass materialistic reasons. It’s easy to see how foreign men like Dimitri would find that American female attitude a breath of fresh air compared to their devious compatriot women.
American women are indeed more callow when deciding which men to fuck. Money and resources matter, of course, but not until well after she’s already given it up. The American woman has fully imbibed the feminism of her mothers and grandmothers and is happy to slut it up with a roundtable of men who make her emotions tingle with delight by running good game on her. Those American beta males who think they will enjoy a feast of freebie pussy in other countries are in for a rude awakening. You might just find that the easiest women were right in your American backyard.
So this post is a big high five to American women for being self-sufficient enough to overlook crass financial and values compatibility and for being all too willing to give it up just because a guy negged her once or twice and played hard to get.
To American women! Ladies, you go all the way right away, and for that, we salute you! Grab your trophy at the door.
haha classic roissy.
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What a wonderful world we live in – thanks wimminz
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Russian girls, boy are they nasty in bed.
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Fat easy sluts.
Wow. Accurate and summed up in three words.
How about Fat n’Easy?
PS, you forgot to mention something about American women:
Fat.
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Grass is always greener, etc.
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they’re not fat, they’re big beautiful women!
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BUT
It’s true, they put out.
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If you think American women are fat, you must be trying to pick up the women of Wal-mart, or NAMs. Educated American white and Asian women are probably in better athletic shape than any women in the world. They may be unpleasantly masculine looking (and acting), but middle and upper class American women aren’t really particularly fat by white standards. About the same as Germans, certainly thinner than English women. In Russia you have a very short window too, get them before age 25 or forget it. And the good news for American girls – the rest of the world is getting fatter.
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Easy and fat, kinda like New Orleans.
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American women do seem to lack a certain feminine mystique that women from other countries possess. They almost seem a little awkward with men.
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@Peter A –
What is it with Russian women and hitting the wall so soon? Genetics, diet, exercise?
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I don’t buy the Russian materialism argument. This is confounded with the huge age gaps that are attempted. The same man who dare not try 8 year gaps in the US is trying 20 to 30 year age gaps. Of course you are going to need sugar on on your prune. Many Russian men have little money at all, which is again confounding the issue.
The other thing I notice is Russian men are not demonstrative. Its hard to read a blank face which is why Russian women my be used to shock level treatments.
Another consideration is both may have a point. What is sex? Its a progressive replication. Doing your sister is too much replication without the progression. A European may find an aborigine too deviation and not enough replication. There is the element of exotic attraction that acts as a tail wind.
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Of course. American girls (W. Euros also) great for sex bad for marriage/dating.
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The purple saguaro! A fat American girl’s best friend… and only lover.
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Let’s list all the reasons American women rock.
1.) You can use them as flotation devices in an emergency.
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I like New Orleans.
Where’ my go cup … ?
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Experience tells me that Russian women rapidly catch up in weight to American women after the age of 30 for the most part. A number of years ago I went to a city in Siberia and noticed that while the young girls were svelte, they go the other way fast. A woman I met had put on over 30 pounds over optimum by 31… and that is a generous estimate from memory.
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Russian women hold up fine if they avoid the rural Russian diet and stay out of the sun. Europe is much further north as it is and European blonds think baking in the So Cal sun is normal? The two highest skin cancer rates are in Israel and Australia because they are full of light skinned imports. My guess is the women in those countries do not age terribly well. I am sure Russians in the south will have the same problem if measures are not taken.
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I am not trying to undermine Roissy’s point about American women. There is positive value in them being sluts on average.
Dmitri’s comments about Russian women is only true is you are a beta pussy. I have plenty of experience with Russian women, and have a ton of Russian friends who date Russian women exclusively.
The importance of being a natural or having game is huge when dating Russians. Russian women have a really good sense of when they can dominate a relationship, but unlike American women who just get bored and leave the guy, Russian women use him for all he is got. But if you have game they will be the sweetest submissive things you could imagine. That is why Roissy never had any of those gold digging experiences with the Russian girls.
Russian girls are an extreme example of the importance of game.
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Another reason to praise American women:
Brienne Walsh, the writer of this stellar piece in the HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brienne-walsh/an-open-letter-to-the-wom_b_829378.html
American women are fucked in the head.
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Difference between americanized women and those from other places:
Lady Gaga is a freak and not a representative of American women in general. Similarly, Sofia Veragra, especially when she was younger, is probably at the upper end of the bracket of south american women and hence not very representative.
However, if you watch these clips from Jay Leno’s show – there is no single moment bur watch both of these parts in their entirety – the essence of the difference that Roosh blogs about – even if the blanket negativity and blanket loathing gets old sometimes – will ring true.
Watch these clips in their entirety and tell me what straight man can’t see the culture induced difference in softness/femininity.
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/sofia-vergara-part-1-21411/1293375/
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/sofia-vergara-part-2-2-14-11/1293344
Just to drive the point home, right after you are done with these two clips listen to the harsh style of talking/the almost masculine behavior of the woman in this link:
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/kathy-griffin-part-1-2-11-11/1291031
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“chi-town
Russian women hold up fine if they avoid the rural Russian diet and stay out of the sun. Europe is much further north as it is and European blonds think baking in the So Cal sun is normal? The two highest skin cancer rates are in Israel and Australia because they are full of light skinned imports. My guess is the women in those countries do not age terribly well. I am sure Russians in the south will have the same problem if measures are not taken.”
There are always exceptions, but this was in Siberia’s biggest city (Novy Sibersk). The entire city at that time reminded me of a run-down version of Detroit – unfinished and inactive construction, closer to a third world country). Odds are things have picked up in the city economically since then with the commodities bull market, but I still doubt you’ll see many slim older women there.
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The secret is sunscreen, moisturize (ALLLLLL over), no smoking, no alcohol, little sugar, little salt, plenty of water, plenty of sleep, exercise, no junk food, little to no makeup…remembering to thoroughly clean the face, and a positive attitude!…..there!
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Chunky and slutty is not so bad. Chunky can be fixed:
http://cectic.com/197
Come to England for a while and you’ll go back to the States with new appreciation of American women.
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roissy i have a question. where is the balance between persistence and indifference? when is it good to say NEXT. and when to keep going when you hear no.
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Drunk. You forgot to mention that American women are drunk.
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Everyone eventually gets fat/old/ugly. Being a gold digging cunt is forever.
Stick to bigger cities where people actually walk or value physical fitness, or can’t afford to eat and pay their rent. I’m in Toronto where women are in relatively good shape (though not like Montreal or Vancouver).
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The secret is sunscreen, moisturize (ALLLLLL over), no smoking, no alcohol, little sugar, little salt, plenty of water, plenty of sleep, exercise, no junk food, little to no makeup…remembering to thoroughly clean the face, and a positive attitude!
so essentially……the exact opposite of what american women are currently doing.
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@Anon
I only mentioned in brief the rural Russian diet, but its all important. One also cannot discount a hard life or that it drives out beauty in a hurry. Russian women in cities like St Petersburg, Moscow or even Yekaterinburg tend to be slimmer. Novosibirsk is not a cosmopolitan city and is just over 2 million so I expect both a poorer upkeep and the emigration of beauty factor. Rural Russia is just as fat as the US.
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Great post, Roissy and a subject which needs attention: overseas poon may be a bigger headache than CONUS poon. I was engaged to a beautiful Thai woman; she was absolutely smoking hot. However, she did eventually insist upon a viza and a green card. When she let it be known that citizenship was her ultimate goal, of course, the relationship had to end, which was no skin off my back, as the sex was beginning to get a little dull anyway. Ditto for Russia. Russian men are under no obligation to treat their women as special snowflakes, due to the fact that males have the upper hand. Because of Russia’s turbulent history, there is a shortage of males, so they get away with a lot of shit that a western man cannot. But this does not mean that you can simply show up as a westerner and swoop the poon. Chances are, Oksana has already made plans for you, and it includes a divorce shortly after citizenship.
I found a blog by a Canadian guy who married a Russian girl. Found it by accident. I read over it, and he strikes me as beta. He’s moving her back to Halifax, and I’ve a sinking feeling it will implode shortly after her arrival on Canadian shores. But I could be wrong.
http://atethepaint.blogspot.com/
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Valid pointers, let me add another – Ideological Subversion. (remember that term because you’ll see it in action everywhere)
The Ukrainians I’d say are the probably the hottest chicks on this planet (check out the talent from Odessa and Nikolaev or sign up on Anastasiadate.com) but at what price? They’re all dollied up for their dating profiles with model pics, video interviews and whatnot and trust me you’ll get hundreds of hits (I’ve gotten 450 or so so far on Anastasiadate and still counting) but heh-heh do you think I’m gonna blow airfare all the way from South Africa to go on a date or a fuck? Nah. Because here’s the corollary to this thesis: why the fuck aren’t these bitches dating their own Ukrainian men? It shows you where their loyalties lie. These deluded two-pipped strumpets think The West is paved with gold. I don’t care how pretty a chick is I wouldn’t spend a cent on a cunt ever again over some JPEG image and a yack (because I’ve done it already and met a beached turd in Finland who described herself as “curvy” heh) but kudo’s to the website owners, their direct marketing skills are pretty savvy.
I’ll bet they make tons off the naive Western men who choose to follow their dicks instead of their brains.
But don’t worry, South African chicks are worse.
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That looks like a painful thing to put in one’s vagina
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Female nature is the same everywhere. American CULTURE has made American women into what they are. Most sweet Latin girls would be just as masculine as American chicks if they had grown up in the states, and many foreign women are ruined if they immerse themselves completely in American culture. Indeed, American style feminism is starting to infect Latin America, just read editorials in Spanish language newspapers to prove it to yourself.
The good thing about the average American chick is that she gives up the pussy easily. The good thing about sweet American chicks, as rare as they may be, is that you know they’re real good quality if they’ve managed to maintain their femininity despite constant exposure to this culture. The same can’t be said for girls who were raised in cultures, in which feminine behavior is constantly reinforced. Those girls just have to follow the pack to end up as feminine adults. A feminine American women has to be so naturally feminine, that she overcomes all the outside forces telling her to act like a man.
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American Woman = Slut
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None of Dimitri’s comments is true about my Ukrainian wife or the wives of American men I know who went abroad. Dimitri can have an AW for two weeks and I guarantee he’ll be begging for one of us to take her back. I think AW are generally boorish, manly, drunken, stupid, and fat.
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Not All but the majority…
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But gold digging” Russians are at least way thinner and way cheaper than their American counterparts. That’s what Dimitri seems to miss.
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When I was in France I was told the French men liked me because they thought I was rich. I enjoyed spending money on them.
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This has to be the most misinformed of all the posts I’ve read here and the most likely to have been written by a guest blogger.
Men who move to Russia or elsewhere overseas are the alphas, if they get harems. Who the fuck would marry anyone? And who in their right mind, except a gamma, would bring one back to the feminist US or gestapo Canada?
Men who visit and marry someone (a single woman) from a scammer agency (and stupidly bring them back as brides) are the gammas with the occasional beta thrown in.
Men who stay in the US and don’t have harems are the betas.
That would be most readers here who are still in the US.
Russian women actually are LESS FEMINIST and more traditional in general. To say that this means they are probably more materialistic is to DIRECTLY SUPPORT FEMINISM.
THINK ABOUT IT. This is like saying US feminism is OK (because it isn’t really true that there aren’t slim, attractive American women – the only thing generally wrong with AWs is not the appearance but the feminist ideology).
Dmitiri was just complaining because he has no game, or because Moscow has gone crazy with high real estate values making some Russian males millionaires and others out of luck in an increasingly westernized environment.
Also, women everywhere like foreigners.
Plus, Russian and EE men who come to the US often have inferiority complexes that make them want the love of an AW as some kind of validation.
Do NOT take a second look at AWs because some Russian male needs to be validated by one.
US Feminists WANT everyone to believe Russian women are whores and the western men who meet them to be “betas”.
Why even have this blog, which I assumed was meant to lower the artificially raised SMV of American women, if only to turn around and boost them higher than ever by repeating feminist lies about Russian women and the men who date them?
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“Those American beta males who think they will enjoy a feast of freebie pussy in other countries are in for a rude awakening. You might just find that the easiest women were right in your American backyard.”
See, Gorbachev – you didn’t have to go to Thailand after all.
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I’d love to see some actual in-depth stats on how fat Americans supposedly are compared to the rest of the world. I suspect if you take out the absolute bottom-feeders (trailer park trash, project queens, etc.) American women are at least comparable and probably in better shape than the vast majority of the world.
Call me a jingoist, but I’ll take American girls as a whole over any other group. They have variety, education, and boob jobs!
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One thing I have noticed about American women is they don’t like “generalizations”. They will tell you women are individuals with different needs and desires and do not like blanket comparisons.
However…
When you agree with them, but tell them you would like to fulfill the needs and desires of a woman overseas, they seem more agreeable to “generalizations” and submit that women are the same everywhere. They seem generally shocked one does not know this.
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If the blogger can’t quit his job because he wants a pension, that doesn’t mean he should rationalize that the US east coast is actually the ideal place for a man his age to spend the next 10 years.
It isn’t being “alpha” that keeps the blogger in the US.
It’s being stuck by circumstance.
Other men can cut the chord more easily.
And they should.
Traditional, anti-feminist women abound in Russia, including in Moscow, despite the way the huge rise in real estate values made Moscow girls get more picky after 2005.
About “Marriage Agencies” – Most of those websites are fakes. The agencies have used the American IMBRA law as an excuse to create fake profiles where customers are never allowed to have the “contact information” because US feminists got the law passed to “protect women from having their contact info given out”. So it’s 75% fake.
Never pay to write letters to these women. Never.
But you can pay about $50 for a date if you happen to be on a trip. 1 in 4 women will exist and will gladly meet you.
But you can do much better just meeting women in public, especially if you’ve read this blog.
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No coincidence that the purple saguaro resembles a cat penis….
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@Peter A
“If you think American women are fat, you must be trying to pick up the women of Wal-mart, or NAMs. Educated American white and Asian women are probably in better athletic shape than any women in the world.”
Been to an American college campus recently?
The obesity epidemic is in full bloom even in 17-22 yr old American girls.
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Russian scammers who used the Internet to snare western gammas, are probably less than 1% of the population of nubile women in Russia. They were a special industry. They don’t represent the culture and the Russian people mostly have never heard of their existence (Russian media like to give the impression that only fat local women offer themselves to foreigners).
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One of the best posts ever made here remarked on how DC was getting better for dating as a result of the financial catastrophe 2008 to the present.
It’s universal that, as women’s income approaches that of men, they get nastier to men on average. This is because women will always seek men who seem to have higher value.
Naturally, Russia was more friendly in the 90s than from 2005-2008 because there was some financial super heating going on, especially in Moscow, during those recent years.
Similarly, DC and everywhere else got friendlier after 2008.
Financial super-heating is bad news for men anywhere.
Financial crashes tend to help men everywhere.
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@Jerry
“Plus, Russian and EE men who come to the US often have inferiority complexes that make them want the love of an AW as some kind of validation.”
They often have exotic appeal for women in the US.
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After all that IMBRA BS, probably the only reasonable way to use a marriage agency is to go there. You would probably meet the most women in the shortest amount of time who have both marriage and going overseas in mind.
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Just get married. That will solve the problems. Yeah right.
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Funny how sleep
Rhymes with sheep.
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Talk about biting the pussy that feeds you. It’d be a lot harder plying your trade in a society in which women (or their parents) insist on seeing a notarized bank statement before they go to first base with you. Perhaps for the great Casanovas, this has never been a problem, but for the vast majority of those, even with game, female sexual liberation has been a huge win.
And I sincerely doubt female fatness is best explained primarily by divorce laws and feminism rather than by, y’know, more and cheaper food. Otherwise, men would have gotten skinnier in response to “empowered” women.
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Russian women are scheming whores. Buddy of mine fell over heels for this cute little Russian girl about 8 years ago. She was in the U.S. going to school, but her visa was running out. So my man married her. She hung all over him, and he worshiped the ground she walked on.
Not six f’ing months after she gets her U.S. citizenship … she divorces him, straight up. Bye bye. One of her friends (American woman through and through), says “She wanted to do things and he was too set in his ways.”
Don’t trust those Russian broads. They’re as devious as Putin, just with T&A and longer hair.
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@Chi-Town
I’ve pretended in the past to be dirt broke in Russia and lived in the countryside like a peasant.
I’ve said that I had no intention of ever going back to the US.
Still, I had my choice of women 20-25 years younger.
That’s with no money and no intention of returning to the US.
Why? Because they tend to want intellectuals and because, unlike American women, they are culturally ingrained to be attracted to much older men. Money has little to do with that basic point (but women everywhere want a man to provide for and protect them, including American women).
The woman in Crime and Punishment followed a man to Siberia and waited for him outside his prison camp for many years – this kind of devotion is considered an ideal by many Russian women while their American counterparts are looking up to the cougars on Sex and the City instead.
American feminists will reject a man because of something he said (political opinion or critique of feminism).
In Russia, it is impossible that a woman would reject you because you have a political opinion or because you slammed feminism (they pride themselves in not being American women).
Feminism is anti-intellectual. It’s worst attribute is the way it says “Reject those who criticize the word”.
Besides the way American women are trained to reject men more than 10 years older, the main thing that I do not miss about dating in the USA is the way that an opinion of mine would have bearing on whether or not I got laid.
A man’s political opinions should be #29 or #31 on a list of 30 reasons whether to sleep with him or not. For too many American feminists, it’s reason #1 or in the top 5.
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But anyone with a brain would have 1) not gotten married, 2) not worshipped the ground any woman walked on and 3) known that she wanted that visa and it could have been a trap. Heck, only a beta would live with a woman.
That doesn’t mean that all Russian women are whores so much as it means the buddy was a beta for marrying someone who so desperately wanted to marry someone for a visa. He was too lazy to go to Russia and meet a normal woman outside a scammer environment.
You could say that Russian women have less respect for betas than American women do.
That is probably true.
Betas are advised to go to Asia where they might get more respect.
Gammas need to be shot or forced to learn some game before they go anywhere.
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Russian women are super hot when they’re about 25. By 30, it’s getting dodgy.
They tend to age very badly, even for white women. This is just my experience.
Their diets are usually shit; they often smoke; exercise is for losers; they’re also utterly and irrevocably mercenary; …
I don’t date them, so maybe I don’t know. But the general impression I get from men I know who do is: Watch Out.
In Germany, one dude told me:
“Russische?” Ganz gafaerlich” – very dangerous.
On the other hand, there are advantages.
That said, American women do have “I Put Out” as a major advantage.
Caucasian women: American women are better all-around, in my experience; The French are fine, but even there, it’s not ideal. Fatness is always an issue.
I don’t know why, but it’s increasing in a lot of white countries.
The UK – wha. What the hell happened there?
Finding a hot Brit is difficult and there are vanishingly small odds of it.
Dodgy dodgy dodgy.
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I’m enjoying the current state of affairs, FactCheck
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Don’t trust those Russian broads. They’re as devious as Putin, just with T&A and longer hair.
That’s just sexy.
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Everything has a positive side – depending on the circumstances.
Cheap Sluts : Greedy Whores :: Yanks : Russkies
Consider the addiction to romantic comedy as emotional pornography among America’s porky princesses.
Perhaps a positive aspect of this childish nonsense is that the American women retain some of that naive girlish hope that women of more cynical and mature cultures lack.
Not that I wish to defend our dear Yankee babes…
But every in every culture I’ve experienced, the women have had something unique that makes me crazy. No place is perfect. No woman either. At least not a real one.
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@SB
Of course. This is what VAWA was written for and why it passed Congress. VAWA is not about stopping “Violence Against Women.” One of its main provisions is to encourage foreign women to marry American gammas under false pretensions and then get lots of benefits, including fast track citizenship, on the US taxpayer dollar (including the tax dollar of the man who married her).
It is much quicker to marry a dupe and claim abuse (such as “he was holding me back in life”) and become an instant citizen, then to stay married and get citizenship after several years (2 to 5 or whatever).
Doug1 can confirm that this is a major reason for VAWA’s existence.
It’s vengeful. It’s American feminists saying “You want Russian women? OK, you can have them, but we will incentivize them to leave you”.
With VAWA, of course it’s a mistake to marry a foreign woman and live with her in the US. VAWA practically begs them to claim abuse and get instant citizenship.
American feminists WANT us to be discussing how Russian women are supposedly whores so we will stop thinking about them and stick to the AWs instead.
That is why this entire post should be deleted when the main host reads it.
Again: Feminists in the US want Russian women to be called whores.
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“Russian women are scheming whores.”
Yes, they are. American men, you better have a clue what you’re getting into.
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@SB
“Russian women are scheming whores.”
…
“he worshiped the ground she walked on.”
No, he is just a dumb fuck.
I have 20 examples to your one dumb fuck.
Let me tell you how it works. There is no agua caliente hot spring anywhere in the world to cure it. Charisma(game) will.
Women don’t love abstractions of philosophy and do not anguish over principles. They love the man more than the principle. It is men who love principles. They should love this one, game.
Let me also inform those who don’t know. Ex-pats don’t “Americanize”. They typically seek out other ex-pats. They are also influenced by the what ever man happens to be in attendance.
Men who cannot tell when a woman is into them probably have not been around very many women which is consistent with such schlubbery.
One thing a beta will not do is show displeasure(sooner or later a woman will do something to provoke this). A woman in love will be in despair when she sees this displeasure. Thus a man showing alpha behavior will know what a beta does not.
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“So this post is a big high five to American women for being self-sufficient enough to overlook crass financial and values compatibility and for being all too willing to give it up just because a guy negged her once or twice and played hard to get.”
Impending job cuts in the state and fedz sector by Daddy Gov’ment= Double High Five.
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@Gorbachev:
In Germany, one dude told me:
“Russische?” Ganz gafaerlich” – very dangerous.
You’ve obviously never heard the term Ami-weib- loosely translated as an American Broad. This is a typically ignorant German attitude. Germans practice PC discrimination against Slavs in general. You won’t ever hear a German say this about Turks or African women even if they secretly believe it because they can’t pose as good internationalists. Europens in general are profoundly hypocritical about racism agaisnt their own kind versus outsiders. The vast majority have no contact with Russian women at all, as a matter of fact, but will still make these kinds of idiotic comments. I hear this kind of shit from my mother all the time too. She has no clue about what she is talking about. Russians in Germany also tend to keep their women away from Germans in general because they don’t want them turning into spoiled German girls. There are mercenary RW and more than usual because they were in fashion for many years. My wife is still a 9 after 5 years of marriage and has made me happy beyond my wildest dreams as a wife. She is now 32 and watches her weight very closely. All of the men I know who married RW have the same experience as I do.
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i don’t know why, but fewer things on this earth terrify me more than morbidly obese asian women.
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I don’t think US feminists realized that IMBRA would cause the “Mail Order Bride” industry to start to scam men more than ever, although a delighted manager at the Tahirih Justice Center did say in 2008 “It’s not our fault if the agencies decide to go above and beyond the law and no longer want to give out women’s contact information at all anymore”.
What fems did want with the law was to throw a legal wrench in the process of American men saying hello to foreigners online. They knew that, if the agencies were “law abiding”, logistics in getting women to sign background checks would cause fewer men and women from meeting.
They couldn’t have anticipated the sheer dishonesty of the agencies: Because of IMBRA, a lot of good Russian women online never get to see the letters American men write to them.
Its easier and more profitable for the agencies to hire a lying skank to pretend that she is the good woman and to write to the man every day at $15 per letter, rather than to allow the good woman to write once per week at that rate. So the good woman is cut out of the process against her will. She is used just for her photos. The rest of her is not necessary.
Also, since traditional Russian women are less attracted to betas than American feminists are, the kind of beta or gamma that wants to get married too quickly (as written in his letters), will turn off the Russian women quickly.
I’ve been in agencies in Russia where the workers talk openly about how the men misunderstand Russia’s lack of feminism as meaning the women are supposedly more OK with sappy beta language from a man rather than the opposite.
The agencies are then left with either
1) telling the man that the woman lost interest because of his beta letter writing
2) having a hired writer pretend it’s still the good woman who is still interested in writing back and forth at $15 per letter.
In such cases, if the man flies overseas to meet the one woman he has one-itis for, the agency will pay that normally good woman $40 to go on at least one date with him and let him down easy.
Or the agency will tell her all about VAWA and convince her to go get US citizenship quickly by marrying and then claiming abuse such as saying “He was holding me back from reaching my potential”.
You can’t blame foreigners for taking advantage of stupid men who should be challenging VAWA in court before getting married to a foreigner and living with her in the US.
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There’s also less legal liability to an American “marriage agency” if they hire dishonest women to pretend they are the various women men write to. If nobody ever really meets each other and no actual marriages occur, no woman will claim abuse under VAWA back in the US (there would be a big incentive to do so) and, thus, the agency can’t be fined $25k under IMBRA for not being able to show proof that the woman had signed the man’s background check before the first hellos were given out.
VAWA/IMBRA puts too much liability (jeopardy) onto these dating agencies. Honest agencies just went out of business to protect themselves.
The bad agencies know that the US feminists = US government will not mind at all if they scam American men with fake profiles (fake people representing real profiles) while they know that the US feminists = US government will mind very much if people actually get married.
Meanwhile, most East European women will be allowed to travel to the US without visas in 2012.
American men may be finally getting through to the State Department that it’s just not right to keep beautiful nubile women out of the US on purpose while letting Arab males in at a high rate.
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@Gorby
“Russische? Ganz gefährlich!”
Tell him: Hände hoch! Facist! ))))
Seriously, having lived in the US and Russia (as well as a few East Asian countries), I posit that American women are THE WORST insufferable females anywhere.
I know plenty of poor [non-Western] foreigners in Russia who pull quite attractive girls, so this meme that Russian girls are simply materialistic are absolutely false. Perhaps Moscow is filled with these materialistic types, but then again, Moscow is not representative of Russia – try towns like Rostov na Donu, Voronezh, Irkutsk, or my favorite, Tomsk.
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If you ask a Russian if he or she speaks German, they will tell you “Sure, Haende Hoch. That’s all my grandfather needed to know”.
Sense of humor counts in Russia so much more than it counts with US feminists, the latter being defined as having no sense of humor at all. It would be in the top 3 factors for winning a Russian woman’s heart.
Also, considering the Divorce 2.0 Industry is mostly AW’s robbing American men, I would never write a post praising American feminism “for at least not being materialistic.”
Although I keep saying feminism’s main driving force is the desperate fight to stop men from dating younger women, the #2 driving force of western feminism is forced WEALTH TRANSFER from men to women (which helps solve #1 by reducing the value of older men while giving young women enough cash to ride a carousel while they are most nubile).
By contrast, Russia has the lowest child support payment mandates in the world.
And Russian women are slammed as money grubbing?
I don’t get it.
The guest blogger for today needs to actually go to Russia. The best time to go is around the May 9th weekend.
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To say that Russian women are mercenary is a slight to such fine, upstanding companies such as Blackwater and Sandline International.
But American womyn can be a huge PITA. You guys just need to get out of NYC and DC especially. Find a good, slim Southern girl from a non-white trash family.
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If Dimitri is reading this, let him consider this:
Tomorrow is International Women’s Day in Russia.
In America, this is the day to stage anti-male protests like Take Back the Night marches.
In Moscow, it’s Valentine’s Day on steroids (actually Valentines plus Mother’s Day combined).
Sure, a Moscow girl will want a $40 bouquet of flowers on March 8th (so would a woman in Rostov).
But Dimitri wouldn’t want to ever meet the kind of AW who celebrates March 8th in another manner.
He will miss Russia like Hell if he’s ever in the US watching the evening news on March 8th and the obligatory report comes on about a local women’s rights march with a lot of fake anti-male statistics.
In Moscow, every billboard and every news report on March 8th will be filled with sons, brothers and fathers praising their women. It’s the complete opposite of the hate fest that happens on the same day in the US.
Advertising on Moscow billboards will say “This year, give your wife a new washing machine for International Women’s Day”.
We’re talking opposite worlds here.
Dimitri will miss home.
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All women are sluts and master manipulators.
The ancients knew this, read the fucking bible for our own western version.
Even Hinduism and Zen Buddhism teaches that the female can´t be enlightened.
It´s simple, Men are better than women.
Though learning this supposed magic game of yours just to bamboozle females into spreading it is a fools errand.
But I guess it´s no use pointing out a law of reality.
Like attracts like.
So you deserve each other. Have fun wasting your time.
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O/T, Citizen Renegade has a fan in Richard Fernandez-
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/03/05/the-motorcycle-drones-on/
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Yeah, the basic thing to remember about the Russians is, if you get scammed or mercenarily squeezed, odds are it’s because you acted like a chump. I’ve been there, also spent my share of time on the online sites (there’s one that sets the women up with webcams so you can see them reacting to what you type – that pretty much takes the whole “someone else is writing the letters” thing out of it, and I did meet a few of them in person – they were exactly as they appeared on the site). They are not at all shy about taking money from fools. They are also not at all shy about giving respect when it is due.
Learn some game, and Russian women are fine. Act like a sappy beta, and yeah, you’ll get the buzzsaw. I consider the benefits of Russians (I had NEVER before known women who could make me feel like a Man just by how she treated me – and this was without my spending one cent on her) to far outweigh the risks.
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lol talk about damning with faint praise!
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Russian women must be the opposite of Asian women who age really well. My friends dad is married to a 40 year old asian woman, she would go to our high school to pick us up and people would think that she was a student. I think if you want to know what a woman will look like as she is older, look at her mom. It’s hard to believe when you see an 18 year old thin girl next to her fat troll of a mother, but she will look like that one day. The only reason why college girls are on average thinner is they are still young, in 10 years 60% of them will be overweight or obese.
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btw tons of young middle to upper class american women are fat bordering on obese. i live in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country in a college town and it pains me to see women 18-22 already in that zone. if they look like that now you can only imagine what they will look like in 10+ years.
that said, i do notice that SINGLE you go grrl type mannish feminists who are in the upper echelons of the corporate world stay relatively trim. most of the fat/obese women either live in the burbs or are …. married. he.
i was just gonna say don’t marry unless you want your woman to get fat but fuck that… if you have decided to get married or are married and you have been on this site and you have not been negging and or causing your wife night sweats over the fact that she is overweight you deserve what you get.
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Wow some of you guys know way too much about the mail order bride system! having said that,tho,I’ll say that Joe Biden is a scum-sucking cock-sucking asshole who should have his scrotum torn off by a rabid chimp,for creating this rotten idiotic feminist shit,the VAWA! And the prick brags about it constantly. Obama’s at it again with some new report that shows poor dear women being duhscriminated in the workplace! Oh dear! How come nobody ever bitches about white broads making 80% of what Asian broads make? isnt that duhscrunootion? Probably not wise to attack Asian females;white males are the aloowable targets! Cunts!! ‘Specially Jews!! (Oops,sorry roissy!0
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An American feminist will, if put to the test, reject an anti-feminist alpha for the company of a pro-feminist beta, if only to prove a point (for show purposes).
A Russian woman wouldn’t see the point.
American manginas can ingratiate themselves by spouting leftist politics to American women and get fleeting respect as a result (for show purposes).
This sexual strategy doesn’t exist in Russia. You can’t get a date that way.
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The pill, IUD and the condom have changed everything.
They are absolutely going to change the whole world not just America or the West.
There it is.
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Right behind them comes DNA matching.
It’s going to change everything, too.
It’s inevitable that DNA records will become ever more important, especially forensically.
Birth records are destined to include DNA — not just a footprint.
And it’s going to be common, if not routine, for paternity discovery to be performed — a certainly if requested by the presumed father/ possible father.
At some point Big Mamma is going to pass laws damning overly ambitious and effective Alphas — particularly when they burden the State with a wave of dependents.
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@Jerry:
A beautiful, classy, charming young Russian woman marries an American man and moves to San Francisco with him, but a year later she returns to her family in Russia in tears.
“What’s wrong?” They ask her. “You had everything! Why have you returned?”
The crying girls answers “I returned because I realized that my husband doesn’t love me.”
“What?” the family asks in surprise. “How do you know? Did he have an affair?”
“No.” The girl replies. “He wouldn’t beat me.”
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The comment about Russian women requiring game is true for other kinds of foreign women, not quite as much though. You need some level of game for foreign women, but still less than for American women; and what you get for any given level of game is much superior.
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@Jerry
“A man’s political opinions should be #29 or #31 on a list of 30 reasons whether to sleep with him or not. For too many American feminists, it’s reason #1 or in the top 5.”
Amen, brother.
(Also, that should be “A person’s”, who cares about a chick’s politics anyway, unless it’s an LTR?)
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I’ve spent a lot of time in Russia for work and dated lots of Russian girls and slept with a few of them.
It’s true that Russian girls will go for the jugular if they think you’re weak. If you’re weak, they almost consider it their responsibility to take advantage of you. It’s not just the women: the men do it too. It’s their whole culture.
The good news is that if you don’t act like a slobbering beta and keep hand in the relationship, it’s easy to keep hand. Russian girls don’t throw as many shit tests as an AW once you establish hand.
The other good thing is that it’s easy to meet tons of Russian girls. On my last trip to Novosibirsk for two weeks, I lined up loads of girls from 23-28 to date off the dating site mamba.ru. Every night I’d have one or two dates. These were thin, attractive, university-educated women. (Caveat: I write and speak near-fluent Russian.) I didn’t have time to meet all the girls I wanted to meet by the time my work was done there.
I still date American girls but it’s just to sleep with them. In about one year I’ll have my finances and business arrangements set that I can expatriate to Russia.
I agree with the posters in this thread who said you shouldn’t bring her here.
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Curves, smooth skin, lovely flowing hair, a pleasure to be around, clean below, then i land back in america and get depressed. The first women i see are the disgusting creatures working with the tsa! It is not even about being fat, thier feminine shape is gone. It is a huge turn off, and american women’s men are always following. Whats up with that?
Look at house hunters, then men are a. Bunch of wimps, honestly i use to feel sorry for these gals, but not anymore!
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Oh yeah, and you gotta be a natural or have game. Otherwise uou WILL be eaten alive. Otherwise as a beta you are better off here with the american chicks.
Any woman anywhere will sense the beta, and she aint looking out for you. Turn the tables mighty warrior!
Damn i just bagged a 20 year old and a 23 year old in an island country, they love my company! Me being from america may have been the initial attraction (money, status,etc), but if i did not play my cards right they would have smashed me.
The point came they both asked for money, i told em both i dont give out money. They respect u even more, but being it is a third world country, i give em work to do, for a little money. But gotta stand firm.
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If articles like this were in Time, Newsweek, and Huff Post, society would improve (their readership would increase as well).
Women need to hear this shit.
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Last week I went to a committee meeting that was hosted by one of the nursing faculty, so we met in their lounge. This is a building completely dominated by women. The nursing lounge ‘fridge was full, and I mean FULL, of ice cream and toppings and sweets. And every woman – every single one – at that meeting was fat to obese. And most of them were dressed like slobs, in stretch pants and t shirts. And these are professionals on our teaching faculty!
The women in my own building (part of the business school) are slim to average build, generally attractive and work to make themselves so, and dress in business formal every day.
And the women teaching in the school of dance are damn near anorexic. Total babes, every one of them.
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Just to be clear oh dear great editor… You think Russian women are better (besides looks) besides they demand something(gifts &cash) from men before giving it up?
Do you resent American women(besides being fat) because they play the mental games instead of being more materialistic?
Questions open to betas, alphas and omegas:
A man once told me the reason why most men hate lose women is because men never see themselves as being truly worthy, is this true?
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Lara wrote
When I was in France I was told the French men liked me because they thought I was rich. I enjoyed spending money on them
LOLROF
Lara you tricking after French men. Sweet mother of Jesus. What did you buy them? how did they pay you back?
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[…] nails it again: American women are loose sluts who happily give it up on the basis of fleeting emotion […]
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[…] nails it again: American women are loose sluts who happily give it up on the basis of fleeting emotion […]
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Well, to quote Rambo… and, literally, that’s all they’re go for.
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“…goOD for.” F*ck, I hate typos.
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Where I make my living, fatties never make partner. There is no need to broadcast it. But there it is… It is quite amazing how this kind of simple formula trumps the entire mythology of the evil and corrupt world view propounded by the Fat Acceptance Movement.
“Lose the Lard-Flesh or seek employment in a 2nd tier shop” somehow undoes all the silly talk about set points and slow metabolisms and accept-me-for-who-i-am.
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Hey, at least they’re not British.
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the nastiest thing is watching jersey shore (including the first season before they were c-list celebrities) and seeing the amount of girls douchebag guidos brought home with little or no effort. i know it’s made for television, but i suspect it reflects a similar reality having watched certain pick-up reality shows. now that snooki lost weight her inner slut is really shining.
the goal should be women influenced culturally somewhere between america and the middle east.
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@SB
A guy I used to work with was working in Guam fixing the plumbing after a disaster and he married a cute little Guam chick. They got back to the US and she maxed all his credit cards, divorced him and took whatever she could.
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sofia, I actually like your brain.
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You might be interested in writings of this Russian woman. She has a column on Ria Novosti web site. The topics somewhat overlap with the ones here at the chateau.
The link above is her column “Russian men don’t exist anymore.” More of her columns at the bottom of the linked page.
http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20101019/161007355.html
…”Svetlana Kolchik, 33, is deputy editor-in-chief of the Russian edition of Marie Claire magazine. She holds degrees from the Moscow State University Journalism Department and Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. She has worked for Argumenti i Facty weekly in Moscow and USA Today in Washington, D.C., and contributed to RussiaProfile.org, Russian editions of Vogue, Forbes and other publications.”
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While nationality matters a little bit it is also the social niche and subculture of girls you are usually hunting that matters even more.
I think that bar sluts in two different countries like America an Russia are more similar to each other than to library girls or church girls from the same country and vice versa.
So two experiences of two men with women of the same nationality could be much different, depending on the venue, subculture, HB value, social status, social circle where they are gaming etc. The biggest factor is of course the alfaness a man.
For example: It will be one thing to game a chick without having any money in Moscow the most expensive city in the world where almost every women is preoccupied with survival and climbing of a rough social ladder trough extreme hypergamous whoring. It will be another thing to game a poor russian girl from countryside who is used to simple rough, hard-drinking and masculine men. And it will be another thing to game a Russian aupair who comes to America to have some fun and easy money – practically the same as American girl.
Still the general rules of game are the same to all of them. Only a number of fine details would change.
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Russians are not really Europeans.
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Russians are not really Europeans.
Just meant to further add that this in fact explains a good deal of their mentality towards not only the discussion at hand, but to much of the way many of them see and deal with life in general.
*Oh, and before some über-sensitive Russian/Slav or ‘White’ nationalist chimes in – yes, I think the Russians, at least the western Slavic ones, are indeed White – just very different culturally from the European norm, both historically and contemporarily (and this likely has something to do with Mongol influences in the gene pool – particularly amongst the eastern-most Slavs).
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The premise of this blog post shows a thin understanding of cross cultural human nature. It really is not of a quality that belongs beside the other posts on this blog.
Most newbs to Russia or SE Asia are going to be clueless betas, and they will get eaten alive for sport and profit.
After a while they learn the ropes, and many will alpha up and learn to play girls for sport and profit.
Show me a country where the same principles do not hold? The only difference the foreign herb has is that he is at first more guileless and easier prey.
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Talking just about US women or women from Russia sums about women from everywhere! women are women and have natural traits which are common irrespective of their customs/cultures. When I read comments from other readers yelling on russian women or us women, they have one thing in common…these are whores and bitches!
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Roissy, you’ve outdone yourself.
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Russia: Appalachia with Nuclear Weapons
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American women are at least comparable and probably in better shape than the vast majority of the world.
Call me a jingoist, but I’ll take American girls as a whole over any other group. They have variety, education, and boob jobs!
How about I call you a fool? An American dress labeled 4 is a labeled 6 in New Zealand. Just sayin…
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@Reality Check
«grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare»
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I agree with Greenlander above- life is generally harder in the ex-USSR so both men and women are tougher and more practical. Remember the survey of Russian teenaged girls circa 1990 or so, at the end of the Soviet Union, in which the #1 *aspirational* career choice for teenaged girls was “hard currency prostitute”.
that said, once you´ve generated attraction and proven yourself worthy, Russian and Ukrainian women will be remarkably feminine in that uniquely sentimental way that is part of that culture. I also have spent a fair amount of time with women from that part of the world, and if you know how to talk to them (in Russian) and push their buttons… it doesn´t get any better.
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Let’s remember that Time and Newsweek were slandering Russian women back in 1990 because they wanted the Berlin Wall to go back up. The slander backfired as western men thought to themselves “really? when’s the next plane?”.
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They (Newsweek editors) thought the reaction would be “Oh these poor sweethearts. Let’s restrict travel of western men to Russia so the women aren’t taken advantage of”. When that didn’t work, they turned to actual legislation like IMBRA.
The collapse of the Berlin Wall was the biggest catastrophe for western feminists, bar none. It destroyed their SMV, at least with those men who’ve taken the red pill and traveled as opposed to those men who stay at home and willingly buy into the idea that Russian women can be dismissed as “mean mercenaries”.
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@Reality Check
Here is a reality check. Europeans aren’t really Europeans. That is why they are often called Caucasians. Its also pretty clear what the general racial type of a Russian is .
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Another anecdote worthy of mention was the flood of Russian women into Turkey. Turkish women were not happy and even protested them in the streets. This will help in the translation of certain statements.
“Russians are whores” really means Russians are competition.
Crash an economy and you will get whores.
British women, for example, are whores of the state.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1254164/Single-mother-Britain-Three-women-explain-babies-dont-need-father.html
Who are we fucking kidding here? Were it not for the public trough for this new race of swine, they would be the cheapest whores since that is all the market would bear.
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I have a vast experience with women from Russia, Poland and other Eastern European countries because I was brought up in one of them. American men have a huge advantage as providers in Easter European women’s eyes, and that’s why Americans would always be chosen over men their own nationality.
As for being Alpha, American men are like little kids in comparison to raw power East European men project. They still act like idiots most of the time and their skills need to be refined (A LOT), but they don’t have feminism, political correctness or too much chemicals in food and water to kill a cave man within.
Currently I have an American GF. She is smart, can cook and has a great character, and although she has lots of feminists opinions, it doesn’t really matter when you are assertive, confident, and know what you want and take it.
Why don’t I choose a woman who is culturally closer to me? Most of Eastern European women in America want to have a family, so they are focused on finding a husband, making babies, etc. – basically everything that will make a tool out of any man if he lives in those conditions long enough.
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A good deal of the women in major US cities don’t fit the fat profile… I live in a major east coast center and a majority of the ladies are super fit. To the point where an actual fat woman would look out of place. Go to the South or other regions and I’m certain it’s a different story. Lots of middle aged American women these days are looking fit and hot, too, more so than their international counterparts.
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@(The Real) Dreamer:
New York keeps everyone trim and fit, because it is more efficient to walk anywhere than any other form of transport. But if you marry one and move to New Jersey, they fatten up right quick. I wish the rest of the country would get with the public transport program. It makes many residents walk just a little every day.
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(real) dreamer,
taking a sample from city centres is always going to skew the sample a little bit. cities tend to be more walkable, people in general tend to be more fit. not only for those reasons but because real estate in the city centre is more expensive. the higher the socioeconomic bracket the lower the dress size, so to speak.
i’m not sure if that’s applicable to the states or not, just because of what i’ve experienced via pop culture and the short time i’ve spent there, inner city blacks are a “thing”.
anyway, keep in mind that women who reside in city centres, despite being smaller, are going to be a little bit more cunty. for a number of reasons (more highly educated, generally more liberal, etc.). again, i don’t know if that applies to the states.
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Evil Alpha,
How about I call you a fool? An American dress labeled 4 is a labeled 6 in New Zealand. Just sayin…
Most clothing stores in NZ start at dress size 6 and go up to 16. It’s a different sizing system and they don’t correspond.
Not to say that New Zealand women aren’t thinner on average (I’ve spent equal time in both NZ and the States). However, what they make up for in attractiveness they lose in general aggression. NZ is the only country in the world where the women’s average sexual partners OUTNUMBER that of the men.
It’s a really issue. There are a TON of single 30 and 40 year old women. It’s so recognize it’s even on the wiki page and generally acknowledged in Kiwi culture.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808
They are reported to have an average of 20 sexual partners, double that of their Australian and British counterparts and almost three times the global average of seven
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A good deal of the women in major US cities don’t fit the fat profile… I live in a major east coast center and a majority of the ladies are super fit. To the point where an actual fat woman would look out of place
this is true, because demographics of large american cities generally aren’t accurate representations of the u.s. as a whole. it’s a real shock when you’ve been raised in one of these cities and you see what people in rural america really look like.
here in nyc, there are shit tons of fit, hot women. they’re in constant competition with each other. the flip side is, cuntishness is an exponential function of hotness.
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The link above is her column “Russian men don’t exist anymore.” More of her columns at the bottom of the linked page.
http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20101019/161007355.html
the most telling thing i got from this article was that it only took three years of her being in america for feminism to corrupt her mind.
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Sofia
You missed the point. A kiwi girl that wears a size 6 in her homeland will wear a size 4 over here. In other words America adjusts its numbering down so that all the American fatties feel big and beautiful rather than overweight.
As for their promiscuity … kiwi girls the lack the East coast big city cuntiness that normally comes along with being easy plus I wasn’t visiting to find a girlfriend. In other words New Zealand girls are some of the best sluts in the world. They put out without much ado, and they are thin. Do they make good wives? Hell no!
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One more thing about dating Russian girls (in Russia): the “upper beta” mentality is perfectly viable there for attracting women. A stand-up professional guy who is making an above average salary can attract women much easier. Russia is a much harsher world, especially for women. The socialist crap that allows women to chase alphas (draconian child support laws, de factor punishment of men in “family” court, sexual harassment laws, affirmative action, food stamps, etc.) simply doesn’t exist there.
As an upper beta you also contrast with most Russian guys who have a huge amount of inherent alphaness just from growing up in such a harsh world and without a culture that beta-izes them.
Given how harsh the world is there (again, especially for women), a guy who can just bring home a steady paycheck and not sleep with the whole city is a real catch.
This contrasts with the west, where an “upper beta” guy doesn’t get any pussy at all unless he learns some game.
Part of the problem for Russian men is that it is much harder to become an “upper beta.” In the west, if you have above average intelligence and some ambition, you can easily get a job making more than $100K before you’re 30. Those opportunities don’t really exist in Russia: the whole system is corrupt and not based on merit. It’s much harder to run a company there because of government intrusion and lack of enforcement of property rights. Working hard is less of a guarantee toward making real money like it is in the west.
I’m speaking purely about my experience as a foreigner dating normal Russian girls in Russia. If you meet a girl on one of those scam dating sites marketed to westerners and then bring her here on a K1 visa, your mileage may significantly vary. As soon as she gets her, she has the upper hand whether she realizes it or not.
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RE: Skinny city bitches.
You will find a lot of thin women in New York, because there are 4 million + women there, not because NYC chicks are special. The percentage of NY girls with big asses is ridiculous…
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr/pr115-05.shtml
For the record Denver on average has the highest percentage of hot chicks of any major metro area.
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If the trophy dildo were for a Asian girl, it would need gongs to be appropriate. A Hispanic girl would want a red one that made a drum-beat.
But, The Purple DILDO Trophy makes the ideal trophy for The Modern American Girl; just give her several, for she won’t know how to wash it.
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evil alpha,
re: sizing. if you look at the scale relatively perception of skinniness shouldn’t change. most american women aren’t aware of nz dress sizes. and, dress sizes here start much smaller than they do in nz. most nz women’s apparel stores don’t carry sizes smaller than 6, but it’s not uncommon to see a dress size of 0 or 2 over here. it’s a very different sizing system.
re: kiwi cuntiness. a new zealand woman’s manliness and shit testing is all too apparent. that’s a big reason why they can’t keep relationships down. in my entire time there (6 months), i can’t recall ever having met a single feminine woman who wasn’t foreign. and i met a lot of women. most of whom were horrible bitches to men, at least in the context of something longer than a night. they probably don’t have as much of an initial bitch shield ’cause binge drinking is a huge thing over there.
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sofia,
I think New Zealand has kind of an outdoorsy, rugged culture and it seems that in those cultures the men are pretty manly, but unfortunately so are the women.
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Wow, just stumbled on this site. Out-fuckin’-standing that other guys are figuring out that American women are (generally) a waste of time and resources.
My personal solution:
1) Spend several months out of the year in southeast Asia.
2) Have girlfriends in Manila, Cebu, and Jakarta.
3) Refuse to commit. More to the point, REFUSE ABJECTLY TO TAKE THEM TO THE USA. Every expat friend of mine agrees: If they get to the US and start watching “Oprah,” you’re fucked.
Ignore the tears re: #3, as they’re a standard ploy of Asian women, and she’ll quit crying the moment it’s clear you’re not budging. You’re not satisfied, honey? Well, bounce then. There are 1000’s of other 20-something women in SEA just *dying* to meet a nice 40-something guy who’s nice, not fat or ugly, and has a few bucks in his pocket.
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A feminine foreign woman must get tons of attention there.
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Guys need to realize that there is no paradise for women – only realms of the possible. You will always have to work no matter where you go.
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my partner has a theory that because nz was such an isolated colony the women who survived and desired to go on that journey were high testosterone types, and those women obviously passed on their genes.
the women in nz are such unabashed, loudmouthed sluts. i couldn’t carry on a conversation with any of the women there (in spite of having mostly female friends in general) and i didn’t know why, until i realized it was like trying to talk with a group of men. it’s a pissing contest with the women, too.
there’s a good doc about it called ‘promiscuous’. if you wonder what the teleology of feminism is NZ is a pretty good example. a country with sizeable numbers of unmarried women into their 30s and 40s, solo mum types, a huge emigration rate, and a lot of foreign brides. plus, a huge burden on their welfare state. the only reason it’s functional is because of the small population.
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My experiences mirror Jerry’s and the others who have posted with him. Russian women expect you to be a man. Most are incurable romantics and will sacrifice all for the man they love. They see that as a romantic ideal to be proud of. I know my wife is completely gaga over me because she acts like a beta male around and with me. See the post from a couple of days ago. You have to have hand but do it in a nice way for the best efect. I always said RW wnat a leader but not a boss. They will tolerate a boss, however, if other factors warrant it. Feminists also secretly want men to be like this. Most feminists are pissed they can’t attract that kind of man in the first place.
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This is a bit OT but I just happened to read this bitch from the Atlantic Monthly,Caitlin Flannigan,on Karen Owen. Roissy completey took her out with his F-18 ordnance-Duh,Winning!-but theres one little thing she said that I thought was truly a cunt-level comment:She referred to Crystal Mangum,the fake accuser, as “desperately poor”,as if she is some kind of heroic figure from Les Miserables! She is poor because she is A)Stupid B)Lazy C)Morally bankrupt and a sleazy lying pig D)A grotesque slut E)So dirty and irresponsible that she didnt even change the cum-stained clothes she was wearing for days,and F)Consumer of massive amounts of drugs and alcohol. I would olove to see Flannigan put her money where her bitch mouth is and take in this poor dear.
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Kiwi girls have a natural tendency towards short/petite, but go a bit full-figured due to the Maori gene. Polynesians are big and have a pear shape later in life.
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There may be hope. I was at the gym this morning and i saw a female trainer taking some chick through a rotation of Cross Fit-style exercises. This chick was already kind of fat and all the attractive chicks were upstairs on the cardio machines, but, hey, it’s a start. Right?
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There is no praise to be had for american women. The funny thing is they don’t even realize how feminism has caused a massive decline in their feminine qualities. I guess it is up to crusaders like Roissy to inform them, because i sure don’t care enough to confront them on it.
I just swoop foreign women stateside. In large cities they are quite bountiful and don’t get chased as much by American men (compared to thier easier, sluttier domestic girls)
Beta men can have all the easy american women they want.
I’ll take the slightly more chaste foreign girls anyday, and everyday.
Personally i think russian girls can be a bit cold, but i like that, when a girl is completely receptive to my approach, it makes me wonder how many other guys have cum before me.
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darn it, the girls got scared off.
anyway, the point is, its like the aussies, never ones of prime original stock – the convict thing and whatnot – new zealenders were sort of booted out of even the penal colony, then interbred with fierce maoris, who are a bit stocky. You can see lots of them in Spartacus: Gods of The Arena.
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“American women are at least comparable and probably in better shape than the vast majority of the world.”
Say what?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
Even more frightening is to realize this includes naturalized Americans meaning the natives are even worse. We can also credit American cultural exports to close the gap.
Yes you will find pockets in So Cal and Florida where fitness is in the local culture.
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Well, if your only choices are a pretty whore or an ugly whore…
To me, it wouldn’t be so bad to be a guy surrounded by ugly women if very few of them were whores. It wouldn’t be so bad to be surrounded by gold digging whores if they were all hot. You’d get your money’s worth and not feel bad about trading them in when they aged out.
The problem is that most American women are both whores and ugly way, way before their time. This is what I’d call a total loss.
When too many girls 10+ years younger than you look older than you, it’s a bizarro world. I don’t blame anyone for looking elsewhere. There is another solution though.
Tell women the truth as often as possible. Any woman who isn’t your boss or in a position to have you arrested or fired for it, tell them the truth. Stop being afraid of not being liked. At least you’ll be respected and maybe get bonus sex from one of the few girls who has a clue.
You can’t just run around bitter bitching and insulting people though. Give them actual information that will make them a better and happier person.
It’s what I do, and I’m happy to say that I’ve helped a few women pull their heads out of their assets (that was on purpose) and start being female.
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Sofia,
1. The key difference between the two countries is the number affixed to the dress, not the actual measurements. In America they make that number lower for women to feel better about their weight. New Zealand women don’t have that excuse. Please look at this and compare NZ to USA
http://www.thewoolpress.com/size-chart/
2. Relative to New Yorkers, New Zealand women are less masculine and way less bitchy while still being easier to fuck. Does that make Kiwis feminine? No. But that combination means they are tolerable, unlike the cunts of New York. I can deal with a girl who views me as a conquest, but not one who whines about being objectified while wearing a hooker outfit to the bar.
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Threadjack: Tiki Barber coming out of NFL retirement four years after retiring young, saying he didn’t want to damage his body. While retired, left his black, pregnant wife for a 23 year old white intern from his new place of employment at NBC.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Jay-Glazer-Tiki-Barber-come-out-of-retirement-return-to-NFL-030811
Thoughts?
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For an assassin your aim sure is bad. Does this wife look white to you??
Wait. Don’t answer that.
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Nicole-
I’m almost 40 and when I look at women my age I wonder how the hell they could have aged so poorly.
I wish I had a dollar for every time a chick (even women in their 20’s) made some kind of a comment about how men age so much better than women. Caught a couple of minutes of Dr. Phil the other day. When Dr. Phil commented on how she was the same age as him, the woman said “Why do you look so much better than I do?” My take- it’s cosmic revenge for women having such a high concentration of power when they are 22.
And yes, I will be looking elsewhere within the next few years, although it has less to do with the fact that AW don’t age well and more to do with the fact that they are almost completely devoid of feminine charm.
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American women are GAWKY. Very masculine with short hair that just cries out in desperation for a decent shampooing, American Kupcakes are SLOBS.
Can’t cook, can’t handle money, can’t dress, don’t know sh*t, (except every song lyric ever written), on and on and on…
The ignorance is STAGGERING.
So, Kupcake cashes out her only asset. Her virtue. Ah, but that too, will leap up soon enough and bite her in the ass.
She’ll blow her way through her twenties, get babies-rabies in her thirties, get bitter in her forties, try a hand at cougar-ing, then hit the bag-lady-with-feral-cats-in-tow circuit while bumming a smoke off the burgeoning metropolis that lives in drainage tunnels of Los Angeles.
Ain’t feminism grand???
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“he most telling thing i got from this article was that it only took three years of her being in america for feminism to corrupt her mind.”
It only takes a day for a man to be corrupted upon leaving the anglo
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Tiki’s new wife looks like a diabetic in slow motion. Man, look how thick her arms are. She’s look Hawaiian or something. I would STRONGLY suggest Tiki start buying insulin NOW.
If she pops out one pup, she’ll BALLOON. Three hundred pounds easy. Tiki won’t have a girlfriend at that point. He’ll have a LINEBACKER.
Oh, did I mention that American Kupcakes are FAT?
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@sofia
the women in nz are such unabashed, loudmouthed sluts. i couldn’t carry on a conversation with any of the women there (in spite of having mostly female friends in general) and i didn’t know why, until i realized it was like trying to talk with a group of men. it’s a pissing contest with the women, too.
Is it the frontier thing or the sense of isolation?
there’s a good doc about it called ‘promiscuous’. if you wonder what the teleology of feminism is NZ is a pretty good example. a country with sizeable numbers of unmarried women into their 30s and 40s, solo mum types, a huge emigration rate, and a lot of foreign brides. plus, a huge burden on their welfare state. the only reason it’s functional is because of the small population
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Lkc-Bp5Fw&w=480&h=390
So what do men in NZ think?
The future for feminist societies seems clear.
– Few marriages; most of those divorce
– Women raising kids on their own
– Very high taxes to pay for benefits to single moms/broken families/social welfare requirements (new form of “big daddy”)
– Likely, curtailed civil rights in favor of group/identity rights (ie, women vote for and prefer less risky behaviors, including innovation, and more communal control of behavior).
Upshot for men, something to think about:
– more and more of your money will go to taxes to be redistributed to those in these situations. Advice: Don’t pay a lot of taxes. Work less, if necessary.
– Women will be more and more likely to leave you; they don’t need you. Don’t marry.
– Your obligations as fathers will continue; your rights will not. Do not voluntarily breed.
– Watch out for money lent to the state. It will likely disappear. Government bonds are going to look shaky.
Oh, wait. That’s the US right now.
Seriously, did feminists *ever* consider what the almost required response from men, as a generational thing, would be?
Or did they just think it would all be the same – except from their view?
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@蒋经国 ,
Gorby
“Russische? Ganz gefährlich!”
Tell him: Hände hoch! Facist! ))))
Hah.
Seriously, having lived in the US and Russia (as well as a few East Asian countries), I posit that American women are THE WORST insufferable females anywhere.
I won’t disagree with you. But that’s a category bursting with competition.
I know plenty of poor [non-Western] foreigners in Russia who pull quite attractive girls, so this meme that Russian girls are simply materialistic are absolutely false.
Okay, … so there are non-materialistic ones. Actually, I might buy that.
Perhaps Moscow is filled with these materialistic types,
Also Shanghai and Seoul. For example, Taegu and Pusan have great women, not materialistic and often very romantic about it all. Men, too, from what I’m told.
but then again, Moscow is not representative of Russia – try towns like Rostov na Donu, Voronezh, Irkutsk, or my favorite, Tomsk.
Partly true in China, too, but less so – the money fever is gripping the country widely.
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Evil Alpha,
I know. I think there’s a miscommunication. I’m thinking of it like currency exchange. You don’t feel richer by having 1000 Lira over having 5 USD even though it’s equivalent (for argument’s sake).
I get your point about the New Yorker thing though. I’ve spent about the equivalent amount of time in NYC (6 months) and there’s a lot more qualification needed in general with those women.
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sofia inner city blacks are a “thing”.
please explain that “thing” we happen to be.
will someone answer my questions from yesterday.
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Evil Alpha You missed the point. A kiwi girl that wears a size 6 in her homeland will wear a size 4 over here. In other words America adjusts its numbering down so that all the American fatties feel big and beautiful rather than overweight.
Evil Alpha, not all American designers cut their clothing alike. Big box retailers who sell the average American, think The Gap or Banana Republic, cut their clothing larger. A size 2 in the Gap is cut much larger than a size 2 from Alexander Wang or Marc Jacobs collection.
American designers hold no universal standard. Each designer cuts his/her clothing in a way that corresponds to his/her ideal customer. Donna Karen cuts larger than Alexander Wang because her ideal client is an older more mature career woman. Alexander Wang’s ideal client is a young ultra thin downtown heroin chic looking party girl
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evil alpha —
che, you’re male? and lecturing about … dress sizes?
hahahaha… trolo
too bad you can’t hear the lithp in your writing
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Ubermind–
I’ve seen this said several times before but it’s hard for me to believe it’s true or close to true. There isn’t THAT much money in Russia and it’s distributed extremely unevenly. I.e. from what I know the middle and upper middle class doesn’t make much money. Oligarchs and corrupt politicians and Russian mafia do.
Further most of the housing stock in Moscow from what I’ve read is dreary Communist early concrete housing high rises, like some public housing in American cities but not as vandalized.
So I can imagine that the very most lux housing and clubs and so on are some of the most expensive in the world, but not that that’s the case at upper middle class levels.
But I’ve never been to Moscow much less lived there, so please elaborate. I’m curious.
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chic noir,
inner city blacks are a “thing” meaning they’re a demographic that doesn’t oft exist outside of america in a multi-cultural society. toronto, where i live, is fairly integrated, with a 50%+ immigrant population but there’s no prevalence of one ethnicity or the other where they have real difficult integrating into the dominant culture.
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Chi-town–
Europeans are a subset of Caucasians, both geographically, historically and culturally, but also racially in terms of time of splitting off from stopping doing much interbreeding historically until recent times, with other Caucasians.
Caucasians, who can also be called Western Eurasians, include Europeans, semitic Middle Easterners, Persians and North Africans, though the later also have about 30-35% ssAfrican ancestry. This has been demonstrated by DNA genetic analysis, starting with the work of Luigi Cavalli-Sforza of Stanford. See e.g. “The History and Geography of Human Genes” published in 1995.
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OK Soffia, thanks for giving me an explanation.
or the other where they have real difficult integrating into the dominant culture.
What about the Native Americans you have there? I read some things about them having a very hard time.
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Sofia–
It definitely applies in the states.
For one thing every elite and most good colleges and universities are feminism indoctrination camps, especially for women.
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I wrote this yesterday I would really like for a few of the men here alpha,beta or omega to answer this. Is there any truth here?
Tim, Jerry, doug or anyone else
A man once told me the reason why most men hate lose women is because men never see themselves as being truly worthy, is this true?
What happened to PA?
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chic noir,
native americans are a negligible component of the general population unlike african americans. they are scarce in toronto, but from my understanding do have trouble integrating in the main cities in the “prairie provinces”. but, like i said, they are only 3.8% of the total population, far less in urban areas. I think blacks in the U.S. are around 13%? canada’s ENTIRE visible minority population is around 16%.
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(The Real) Dreamer
Yes that’s true of the upscale and trendy parts of Manhattan (most of Manhattan south of Harlem) and Brooklyn. It’s probably more true in Queens than in most of the country though definitely less so than in Manhattan, Brooklyn Heights or Williamsburg.
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doug1,
i would have never believed this statement four years ago:
For one thing every elite and most good colleges and universities are feminism indoctrination camps, especially for women.
…but it’s true, and unfortunate. there is little intellectual integrity to most of the liberal arts now. and the quality education should value most – critical thinking – is lost to a pervasive sociopolitical agenda. most university degrees train people to think in PC-speak (like cultural relativism) without examining it dispassionately.
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I’ve been to Russia about 10 times and asked that same question of Russians. The answer is that they don’t live in the ritzy center of Russia: they live a 25-minute bus ride from the furthest-out metro station in Moscow where you can rent a Soviet-era flat for $600 a month and then share it with someone. Then they do their shopping at open-air markets instead of expensive stores. And so on.
As a foreigner staying in the center of the city and dining at restaurants in the center, it *is* one of the most expensive cities. Decent hotel rooms are $400 a night and up and restaurants are super expensive… but only the “new Russians” and foreigners live like that. Normal Russians live in the outskirts of Moscow life a different kind of life.
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Good Luck Chuck, they’re unfeminine for a couple of reasons. One is that they’re being told that it’s a bad thing. Second is that because of the bizarro world that has been created by feminists, men are no longer protecting them well enough, so they justifiably push the limits of their gender to be better able to protect themselves.
So part of it is upbringing, the other social manipulation of natural selection.
Women who believe that there are rapists everywhere are subconsciously triggered to become less physically vulnerable. They become both more muscular and fatter on average.
Add that to fake food and overpromotion of grains and it’s a perfect recipe for a tub of lard. I know this because I used to be that tub of lard and have lost a lot of weight and gained a more feminine figure even though I’m not skinny, mostly from switching to a natural diet and deprogramming. Some of my friends here have too.
I want American men to wake up and speak up partly because the world follows you guys. Whatever you do, everyone else thinks is progress, so I hope you guys will fix America before the dysfunctional America takes over the world.
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Evil Alpha
RE: Skinny city bitches.
No. Manhattan and the trendy parts of Brooklyn do attract thin and attractive girls from upper middle class families around the country, after graduating from college. That’s due to the career opportunities for smarties here, and the trendy neighborhoods and big world city lifestyle. Many also think they can meet an interesting and/or real well of husband here.
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Evil Alpha–
However the not trendy, not up upscale parts of the city really bring down the average. But you Manhattan (south of Harlem) or trendy Brooklyn dweller generally about never goes to those parts of the city. He/she will see on the subway though. Along with lots of svelte girls.
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Doug, please stop it.
Even in Harlem the women don’t get but so big. Have you any idea how big women get outside of NYC??? there are women so big they can’t fit the clothes inside of Lane Byrant. That is very very very rare here. The average size of the larger women here is somewhere between a 10-14.
You’ll start porking up in Long Island because that place is more of a car culture borough because public transportation is spotty.
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For one thing every elite and most good colleges and universities are feminism indoctrination camps, especially for women.
I agree with Sofia. Years ago, in an English Lit class at UBC, Vancouver, the only remarks I received on my papers were the changing of various words, such as ‘mankind’ to ‘humankind’, and so on. No real analysis, just the changing of words. Bizarre.
@Chic,
A man once told me the reason why most men hate loose women is because men never see themselves as being truly worthy, is this true?
Nah. Men just don’t like the thought of women getting around town, that’s all. Think of it this way: who invites whom into whose home during the sex act? Well, obviously, it’s the woman. I hate to say it, ladies, but it is up to you to keep your home decent. Men are the invited guests; women are the hosts. This is why men don’t particularly like sluts (unless it’s a short term pump n dump). No one wants to enter a nasty home, that’s all.
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Unfortunatly Harlem has become hip because the other parts of the city are so expensive. People are moving up(to harlem) and out to Brooklyn.
So we have people who’ve lived here all of their lives having to move out but I guess they call that gentrafacation. the hipsters aren’t so bad, maybe I say that cause I’m a blipster. it’s the other rats that tag along behind hipsters that ruin everything.
BTW, Williamsburg is home of NYC hipsters. If any of you ever come to NYC just ride the L train from 14 & 8 st out to Morgan avenew.
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“I’ve been to Russia about 10 times and asked that same question of Russians. The answer is that they don’t live in the ritzy center of Russia: they live a 25-minute bus ride from the furthest-out metro station in Moscow where you can rent a Soviet-era flat for $600 a month and then share it with someone. Then they do their shopping at open-air markets instead of expensive stores. And so on.”
Most moscovites also own their flats outright from the privatization time, so the only expenses they have are food, utilities, and personal items. It is also the reason why you often see three generations living under the same roof – it is prohibitively expensive for a young couple to buy their own place in the city, so the options are either live with your parents or commute for hours.
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Sofia–
The last sentence makes no sense to me. It’s all about percentages, no?
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thanks tim
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Hey, I have not had the chance to read through and see if this has already been posted; it has to be seen to be believed.
http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/03/01/scenes-from-an-abusive-marriage-should-you-post-an-abusive-wifes-behavior-on-youtube/
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@doug1, @sofia
“For one thing every elite and most good colleges and universities are feminism indoctrination camps, especially for women.”
Agreed w/ both of you on this topic.
I think this is one of the bigger reasons behind the poor dating situations on mainly elite campuses (more hook ups, less actual relationships, more disappointed women). And it’s such a shame, too.
With women gaining so much education these days, they really need to learn how to maintain their femininity in the process, b/c that would benefit them just as much if not more in life.
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I don’t entirely agree with the notion that if you can’t get laid in one place you won’t get laid anywhere. I was pretty much celibate barring a couple of ‘lucky’ lays in my formative years until I went to Japan for a year and didn’t even have to try to get girls interested in me.
Despite what some people say about the culture of shyness, in the bigger cities in Japan many women will approach you in the right settings just because you’re white, or basically any race except Asian. These women don’t need your passport or your money, for whatever weird reason I don’t really understand (though I have tried to formulate an answer), there is a large subset of women out to fornicate with foreign guys. I don’t think I have to explain to you too much what Japan is like.
After returning home I found it much easier getting with women here too. I now have the right mentality, I want women but I don’t need them, they know this, I have the confidence to make more approaches, I get approached more often too. To any guy who wants to learn some game Japan is a good place to be. Even if you’re not interested in Asians there are plenty of all kinds of other nationalities, Brazilian and Nigerian being pretty common, and also it’s well documented how white women give it up much easier there due to lack of options, quite simply nobody is interested in them because the women who aren’t Westerners are generally better to be with and everyone knows this.
I can’t recommend my personal experience enough to anyone.
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Mr. C
I watched enough of those videos you to which you referred to get the picture. That woman is a pretty good example of what she is – a psycho bitch from hell – somewhere between a deep narcicist and a full blown sociopath. The thing is, 10 years ago she must have been really hot. So I am not going to bash on the guy for getting into this mess. Having been there. etc.
On the other hand, once a guy has met the Dragon at close range, more than once, it is time for a moment of clarity… of realization.
Psycho bitches are exactly like cats. Exactly. That psycho bitch wife in the tape was begging to be yanked down and pulled out of her human normal shape by strong hands and put in fear of her life. As just foreplay.
However, in so much as that kind of sanity is against the law, this crazy bitch from hell will ruin many, many more lives before the worm takes her.
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I was about to write something touching on Japan, but “words” beat me to it.
I have travelled quite a bit in Asia, and while it’s true that women are much more feminine, in many countries it is basically impossible to have a long-term solid relationship with complete love and trust.
The reason is simple: in countries where the average income is under $500 per month, and women can often expect $100-200 per month (I’m thinking of Thailand here), you always have to suspect the profit motive in your dealings with them. Short-term flings are great, sure, but a lot of the women will attempt to convert those flings into more serious relationships, which you also might be tempted to do. But you’ll always wonder in the back of your mind if she loves you, or if she loves the fact that $30 is pocket change to you.
This is why I agree that Japan is probably the best country in the world to find good lovers and non-fling relationships. They have all the femininity of any other non-Western nation, but they live in a highly-developed country that is essentially the economic equal of the top Western nations.
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Unfortunately any kids knocked out will be halfies. Life is so full of dilemmas…
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southern man:
che? really?
i am bemused; until this exact moment, i have always thought that “men who like anorexic women” were imaginary bogeymen created by feminists in order to pass off the blame for eating disorders, etc. onto men.
… but i guess not.
what’s next, am i going to find out that you get paid 23% more than a woman doing exactly the same work, and that *that* isn’t made up either?
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“” On the other hand, once a guy has met the Dragon at close range, more than once, it is time for a moment of clarity… of realization. “”
Indeed, we have all been there and some of us (me included) have learnt from bitter experience.
The biggest fuckup is to marry them and/or knock them up and thankfully I’ve had enough sense (with a bit of help from reading this blog) to avoid that bullet.
The guy in the video’s didn’t.
All he can really do now is go into a protracted state of damage control.
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Chic, don’t be too hard on the guys. If you’ve heard the African story about the four eyed goat and Elegua’s hat, you understand that even a four eyed goat can only see from his own point of view.
Men are not generally shallow, just empirical. Unless they’ve been socially manipulated to do otherwise (which many have, though not as successfully as the social engineers would like) they unconsciously assess all factors and come up with a conclusion based on everything together. If you put them on the spot and ask them which thing it was that weighed most heavily on their decision, they’ll pick what seems most important at the time, or what will settle the argument.
Below the surface, there’s much more going on. So they say “American women are fat”, and indeed they are, statistically. The real problem though, is not just that they are fat but additionally unfeminine, rude, unrealistic, dangerously unaware of their natural physical status relative to men (or apparently even polar bears 😉 ), and bonus, dirty far beyond youthful experimentation or tiding over until reaching a socially appropriate marital age (which is being pushed unrealistically higher).
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Sofia
I know. I think there’s a miscommunication. I’m thinking of it like currency exchange. You don’t feel richer by having 1000 Lira over having 5 USD even though it’s equivalent (for argument’s sake).
Actually you do feel richer. I once visited an Asian country where I got 30ish dollars in exchange for every 1 US dollar. I went from a wallet to a bag of money. There is no miscommunication, there is a difference of opinion.
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American girls – They may be fat, manly bitches… but at least they’re whores.
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chic noir
Evil Alpha, not all American designers cut their clothing alike. Big box retailers who sell the average American, think The Gap or Banana Republic, cut their clothing larger. A size 2 in the Gap is cut much larger than a size 2 from Alexander Wang or Marc Jacobs collection.
Never use “one time a band camp examples” to prove a point. You lost the argument at Big Box.
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Ritmo
che, you’re male? and lecturing about … dress sizes?
hahahaha… trolo
too bad you can’t hear the lithp in your writing
If you actually traveled or got laid you TOO would know dress sizes… bra sizes… perfumes etc. Eskimos have 30 words for snow… just sayin..
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Doug1
No. Manhattan and the trendy parts of Brooklyn do attract thin and attractive girls from upper middle class families around the country, after graduating from college. That’s due to the career opportunities for smarties here, and the trendy neighborhoods and big world city lifestyle. Many also think they can meet an interesting and/or real well of husband here.
And I know of a particular East Coast beach where tons of EE girls and American undergrads flock to work in service jobs. They are younger (18-21), thinner and more feminine/down to earth than the spoiled cunts that migrate to New York. And percentage wise there are more of them.
New York city attractiveness quotient is overrated. That’s why the “trendy neighborhood” argument is so over used.
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Rum and Mr. C,
That woman in the videos is a sociopath. I feel really sorry for the husband and the children to have her in their lives. I’m glad to see he is fighting back, hopefully he can divorce her and get custody of the kids. She might be okay if she was allowed very short, supervised visits with her kids. They would be much better off if she was completely out of their lives though, since she is so emotionally and physically manipulative and abusive.
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Rum is right. She is a bitch from hell and women like that can really mess up people’s lives if they aren’t taken down.
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I give her husband a lot of credit for his restraint. If she was my wife I would have killed her.
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The writer Jimmy Breslin once said that New Yorkers are thin because they’re so busy telling everyone how great they are that they don’t have time to put food in their mouths. But it’s all the walking they do too, of course. Having checked in to OK Cupid in the last few weeks, I wouldn’t mind a little flab on the gotham girls if they all weren’t so demanding that anyone contacting them MUST be a liberal Democrat.
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Chic Noir–
Yes there are areas with upscale but still relatively cheap housing stock in Harlem that became white attractive in the late housing price inflation boom, followed by bust. These areas were often built during Harlem Renaissance boom times in the 1920s for the Harlem upper class and upper middle class, with a subsequent housing bust there after the 1960s made it easier for blacks to move to formerly all white suburbs.
But I’m sure you know a lot more about this than I do. Which areas in Harlem have a lot of non Hispanic whites these days?
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Evil Alpha–
Spill.
Rehobeth per chance?
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I strongly urge everyone to view the videos Mr. C has linked to above.
This abusive woman wouldn’t have the cultural support to act in this fashion in most countries in e.g. continental Europe. A bedrock of that cultural support is VAWA and all the advertising about male and only male domestic abuse that buttresses it. Here’s a link to Mr. C’s comment and link:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/in-praise-of-american-women/#comment-239975
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Nope, but close.
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@Chic
Questions open to betas, alphas and omegas:
A man once told me the reason why most men hate lose women is because men never see themselves as being truly worthy, is this true?
Not really. Most skanks try to fuck levels up, not down and so unless you are a man with low self esteem, “worthlessness” wouldn’t cross your mind. But as far as value is concerned… I can see how a contempt could form due to the skanks general sense of “entitlement” to access guys out of her league. I’m sure that Karen Owens from Duke was the laughing stock of the Blue Devils lacrosse team.
Ultimately though, I think men hate loose women because of the sexual characteristics and motivations embodied by the vast majority of loose women. There is an insidiousness in sluttery that makes it repulsive. An insidiousness that for whatever reason is conspicuously missing in male promiscuity.
Men want sex as a response to running into a good looking girl, not because we want revenge, or to hurt an enemy, or to land a client, or because it’s Vegas and we need to act wild. And we do not care about a good looking girls politics, religion or any other useless shit.
Men and for that matter “good” girls have purity of erotic intent that sluts lack. Every guy on here has 1st and 2nd hand stories that illustrate the fucked up relationship that sluts have with sexuality. Two of the craziest that I’ll share quickly… 1. I was walking through Sears, a girl pinches my ass, drives me to a park half a mile away and the sucks me off in a gazebo…seems she had a fight with her man a few hours earlier. 2. Bachelorette party. “Runaway bride to be” fucks my friend in a parked car, then a 2nd friend right after. WWE style. She was” torn” in more ways than one. Sucks to be that groom.
Sluts are for fucking, not for dating.
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if you want to be taken more seriouisly, you’ll need to remove your avatar. justa friendly tip
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Evil Alpha,
Ocean City, New Jersey
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Play by play from “Hall Pass”
-40 year old married man drives the babysitter back to her sorority house. She’s a 3rd year coed. He mistakenly thinks she wants to make out with him. When she sets him straight she adds “Eew, what were you thinking”.
This is Hollywood shaming men and devaluing them for the whole world to see (these films are exported for free).
-Two of these men meet a rich male acquaintance who immediately shames them saying “Cmon, you’re looking at a woman half your age”. He meant it seriously.
-Wife complaining to husband for looking at women. He says “it’s the way men are built. It’s in our genes”.
The wife replies “Aw cmon” like the audience is supposed to agree with her that what he said was bullshit.
And this is just the first 15 minutes.
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There’s a quality my American friends have which British girls don’t. They’re sexy in a sassy way, more blunt and forward and not afraid to speak their mind. They’re not slutty, but certainly less reserved than me. We play the game in different ways. My American friend is a great advocate of saying what she wants and have no-strings-attached sex, whereas I teach her how to be more ladylike and evoke men to do what you want through your body language without needing to make the first move.
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“Hall Pass” turned out to be OK. The first half and the trailers were designed to keep feminists from complaining about the theme by portraying the married men as incompetent with women and too old for the hot ones, with a portrayal of their wives as being able to get much younger men, baseball players.
But the Farrely Brothers who produced this had a trick up their sleeves for the second half.
It turns out that the college girl that said “Eew, what were you thinking” at the beginning, later admitted that she really did have a crush on the hero and he hadn’t misunderstood her intentions when he rejected her at the beginning. The hero also quickly learned game in this movie and was just about to score with an Aussie girl when he decided, at the film’s climax, to take the option of staying monogamous with his wife (knowing that he could have scored).
Then a 19 year old male who wanted the Aussie girl for himself went ballistic on both married men (the other had just done the young man’s mother). The Aussie girl had said she didn’t want the young guy with no game.
So “Hall Pass” ended up being pro-game (pro-reality) and reversed the image of male incompetence the trailers wanted to show (that the studio execs who made the trailers wanted to show the public).
Meanwhile one of the wives was pumped and dumped by a male college athlete. When she was trying to “let him down easy” afterward, the young guy said “You can’t be serious. You’re too old (32). If we were seen together it would be like you’re Hugh Hefner with a bunny. This was only going to be a one-time thing anyway.” This made her cry and realize the whole “Hall Pass” thing wasn’t fun anymore.
So the message of the producers was that women over 30 really have lost their advantage over their partners, that the men really did have the power to decide, as an option, to go back to their wives.
Again, this was not the message from the trailers. Film reviewers maintained the lie from the trailers.
Go see the film. Pay to see it even.
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@Anonymous,
I heard this about Hall Pass. I’m taking the SO to see it.
I love subtle messages like this.
I need to keep reinforcing to my SO that my commitment (more or less monogamy: um, monogamy if she so demands, more or less) is incredibly valuable. She must appreciate it and pay the price gladly. I need to make sure she knows that I know this.
Movies like this might help subconsciously reinforce that.
It all adds up.
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Anonymous–
Were the husband and wife who went through with breaking monogamy married to each other? Did the second wife break monogamy too?
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Doug1 –
Correct. One couple stayed monogamous with each other while passing up sex with attractive members of the opposite sex (the wife with a rich older man and the husband with two 20 year olds half his age).
The other couple cheated on each other, the wife with a much younger man and the husband with a 45 year old woman. This wife got pumped and dumped and regretted it.
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Evil Alpha–
Ocean City, Maryland then
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it is extremely beta to comment, and even more to write posts about game during carnival
all who posted here from Friday until today (Ashes’ Wednesday, btw) should subtract 5 points from their dating market value
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keyboard beta, er evil alpha ALWAYS has to get the last word in and is ALWAYS right. Insecure in the extreme. All hat, no cattle. Probable virgin.
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American women (much like many European women – think Germany, France, UK) are victims of a liberal sickness telling them to think, act, react, like men. Everyone including them inherently know its not natural. Eventually this BS we have been fed about the relationships of the sexes will self correct. However, it will probably be too late and most of the productive members of American society will have married off to members of other nations, races, tribes etc. This is unfortunate.
BTW – the Russian guy was correct. Bieng a money hungry cold, calculating whore is pretty much in Russian women´s DNA.
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Mukluk–
Gorbachev makes a strong case for S. Korea. Based upon similar economics, similar or greater premium for white guys (more scarce) with some (not necessarily that much at first) game, and greater beauty and more feeling in their sexing.
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gig–
Sounds reasonable … in a carnival celebrating city. NYC ain’t.
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This would sound better in Russian, but given that just a handful know Russian here, I’ll translate.
On river Volha, Ivan Kuzmich sits in the boat. His wife, Marfa, is rowing, sweat dripping from her forehead and her clothes soaked with it.
On the shore is Ivan Ivanovich who sees Ivan Kuzmich and hollers: “Come on shore and let’s go to pub. We’ll chat, drink some vodka…”
Ivan Kuzmich replies: “I Can’t. I’m taking my wife to the hospital for a childbirth!”
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gig-
I live in a city that has no idea that Mardi Gras is happening. Im also in a shitty mood.
So I will subtract one point from you for being named “gig.”
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@Doug1
Mukluk–
This is why I agree that Japan is probably the best country in the world to find good lovers and non-fling relationships.
Gorbachev makes a strong case for S. Korea. Based upon similar economics, similar or greater premium for white guys (more scarce) with some (not necessarily that much at first) game, and greater beauty and more feeling in their sexing.
Reasons for this:
– They’re not emotionally fucked up like the Japanese. Really.
– They show their emotions very easily, and have little reserve with people they’re comfortable with. This is extremely similar to North Americans. In fact, they have volatile tempers and no problem bitching once the social barriers are properly dismantled. Your woman isn’t happy? You know exactly why, in detail and technicolor.
– Women are obsessed with being attractive, more than the Japanese. They may not have the super-hotties the Japanese do (fewer top models), but there are *far* more 6-7-8 women there than there are anywhere else I’ve been, including China.
– Women may all have the same overall look (there are about 5 different “body forms” there – compared to dozens in China and Europe, even Japan), but it’s a good look.
– White guys are rarer than in Japan, and aren’t fetishized the way the Japanese girls do it. You’re a Foreigner, but you’re not White Meat – meaning you can actually relate to a Korean girl. She may still just want to fuck you, but you can relate to her as a full-on human being. And she’ll see you again and again.
– Korean girls, once they’re comfortable, will fuck you stupid. There’s less pussy-footing around. The culture SEEMS the most timid sexual culture anywhere. Actually, Korean women are the most fun in bed I’ve had, as a group. Predictably, the inhibitions of the culture seems to generate a walloping sexual release when it happens.
Avoid the 1/3 or so that are somewhat prissy or conservative, or have no experience, and the rest will bang you relentlessly. Their conservative culture hasn’t been undermined by the liberalism and anti-traditionalism that Japan has had for the last 40 years. This makes them – men and women – pent up with massive amounts of sexual tension. In some workplaces, you can cut it with a knife. A pretty girl you’ve taken back to a hotel room might like romance, but I guarantee you – she wants to be thoroughly fucked. And she expects you to be a Man. Manginas need not apply. This is a general rule.
– Cheating: The repression and abandonment of married women by their husbands means if you like 28-35 year-old women (who still look way better than most of their American counterparts of the same age), you can basically acquire lovers with absurd ease.
Single women are more prowly; they’re after something to sink their teeth into (the bloom goes off the rose for women there at about 30). But married women often have limited relations with their workaholic husbands. Bored, often married for convenience, spending most of their time alone, they’ll step out if given a DISCREET opportunity to do so. Learn the rules and be very quiet about it, and you clean up.
– Decent women: A Korean will marry you and pop out babies. She’ll also be more loyal than most. At least, if you do it properly and make sure she’s nominally happy. don’t be a workaholic and make sure she’s sexually exhausted. Foreign guys I knew who married Korean women were all pretty much very happy, even when they moved overseas. So were the women.
– Korean women are mercenary as shit, but they’ll treat you as an ally and they DO NOT want to be single over 40. Let her run your financial affairs, and she’ll try to make you both rich – as a family unit. But don’t lose your job and be reasonable ambitious. Small-town girls will be grateful you’re good to her, and not need you to be too well-off.
– Dogging it around: *some* Korean women will, in exchange for your general and sometimes specific loyalty, let you tap some younger ass occasionally. It’s taken as a given that Korean guys do this more or less often from time to time. The culture of business and sex in Korea is deeply ingrained. It’s hard to root out. Same as Japan and modern China that way.
China is, as with everything, much more crass, much less classy and more direct: Go there on business, to a company that doesn’t have much experience dealing with Western sensitivities, and you’ll likely be offered all kinds of distractions. Depending on the location and social circumstances, they’ll eventually set you up with some primo Chinese tail. It’s almost guaranteed. Their goal: Make you happy. Make sure you buy lots of stuff. Anything – anything – that furthers this goal is acceptable, up to and including bribery, sex, entertainment, offering connections and vast amounts of alcohol. Some people won’t sign deals unless you get drunk and eat with them.
Chinese pussy: Hot Damn, easily the most beautiful entertainment you’ll be offered anywhere in the world. I mean, in these situations. 18-23, the most beautiful women available. It’s not considered a repulsive line of work, either – these women are often quite well-off. They work in clubs, are set up as “entertainers”, and some of them are just women who act as the public face of the company and don’t seem like they’d be, essentially, sex-workers.
Warning: personally, I say, never touch this ass. I saw lots of guys and companies tooled by these situations. Touch if you’re an Alpha and your *company* is in an Alpha situation and nobody gives a shit. Otherwise, stay the hell away. Married? Make sure if your wife finds out, it won’t matter. Really. Absolutely everything is fair game in China. There are no morals, no rules, no formal procedures that can’t be shattered at a moment’s notice. You can trust your partners as far as the profit margin; never expect to give up less than 50%, because the Chinese have very specific ideas of what “fair” is; and be prepared to reciprocate and have the tallies calculated.
Why you should avoid sex with contacts you need to keep / professionals/gray areas:
You’re entirely likely to be able to bang the company secretary, her friend, or some other associate. Even the woman who works for the law firm, or the law firm’s senior female partner, or whoever. Doing the local contacts is pretty much standard fare. Anyone who says different wasted a lot of time while he was in China or doesn’t like talking to women. It’s Crazy Land over there.
This is as true for professional women and tour guides. You need to follow all the rules, but there are so many women who will spend time with you entirely voluntarily there’s no need to touch the shady sexual business culture.
Of course, the shady Chinese business culture has a lot more easily accessible, and younger ass. When someone else is footing the bill for a night’s entertainment, some guys are pretty tempted to enjoy themselves. Advice: don’t bother. Cultivate local contacts and see what happens.
– Korea has classy women. Seriously, they run the gamut from Severe Hauteur and snot-nosed arrogance to refined and delicate. I don’t know what other guys like, but I like my women to have some education and smarts and class. I like them slutty, too, but banging slutty girls who have some class is much more fun.
But on the face of it, Japan and Korea are probably both good.
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@Nicole
Yes, you’re right about all of this. Harsh but true.
“The real problem though, is not just that they are fat but additionally unfeminine, rude, unrealistic…”
Growing up my father always said to me, “Do NOT get fat,” or chided me whenever he saw me eating too much unhealthy food. I never understood it and always thought he was just trying to be mean… but now I get it.
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As usual Gorb, your observations are appreciated.
I’ve a buddy who who teaches english in S korea. He has a gf there, a pretty little thing, and they’ll probably get hitched this year. But he still takes annual vacations with the boys to the philippines and gets himself a little honey on the side. His gf knows about it, but tolerates it. I told him he better be careful, the woman is liable to get jealous, but he blows it off. Mind you, she is an older s korean woman. 40 yrs old, divorced single mother. it’s probably why she tolerates his annual escapades.
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Alpha Mofo
These cross cultural comparisons can be embarrassingly naive. Name one country for which the women are not famed for being “money hungry cold, calculating whore(s)”.
Whenever you see a woman acting in a feminine way, you are seeing her being a money hungry cold calculating whore.
Whenever you see her acting in a mannish and independent way, you are seeing her as a money hungry cold calculating status whore.
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doug,
honestly, not sure how the the burdened welfare state in NZ functions. i thought it was perhaps the small population that allowed it to be sustained? but in addition to the single mothers, huge numbers of generally unmarried women in their 30s-40s, there’s a lot of unemployment and emigration amongst young people due to the lack of opportunity. it could be that the immigrant population allows the welfare state to sustain itself.
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@Tim
As usual Gorb, your observations are appreciated.
I’ve a buddy who who teaches english in S korea. He has a gf there, a pretty little thing, and they’ll probably get hitched this year. But he still takes annual vacations with the boys to the philippines and gets himself a little honey on the side. His gf knows about it, but tolerates it. I told him he better be careful, the woman is liable to get jealous, but he blows it off. Mind you, she is an older s korean woman. 40 yrs old, divorced single mother. it’s probably why she tolerates his annual escapades.
Even younger women will tolerate it. They may get upset, but you hear women talking about “what men get up to”. They don’t inquire too hard. I’ve heard many such conversations. I’ve been accused of looking for Chinese poon on trips to China when I lived there; untrue, at that time, I hardly needed to be banging Chinese women when I lived in Korea, but it’s just assumed that guys have a LOT going on.
Why do they assume this?
Because: Unless you’re one of the 30 year-old virgins or religious women ( there are a good number of these), the *women* are doing the same thing. NOBODY will talk about that, but man – does it go on. The guys have to be dogging around with someone, and chances are it’s Korean women.
A divorced single mom who’s 40 will tolerate discreet escapades by her man. She won’t want to get divorced, she knows the guy will do it anyway, and as long as he doesn’t bring home diseases and actually *does* come home, she’ll shut up.
This is a sensible attitude.
One thing shocked me when I left Korea.
Women – married – are the same everywhere. I had a long-term relationship with a French woman married to a guy living in a neighboring country; they like each other, but had separate lives. You say, that’s the French, and I was her “lover”, not the same thing as a random hookup. It was understood that I wasn’t keeping a dozen chicks in the stable, as in, *she* was my thing. Had I been married, it would have been okay; but having 2 lovers or GFs would have been dodgy. it’s weird.
So you say that’s France. But here in the US, so many women (in the big cities) fuck around, it’s always with some alpha dude. Seriously, there’s so much of it going on, it wasn’t just Korea.
I have *no* illusions about what women get up to. They may be just as choosy about picking their fuck buddies as they are about picking husbands, but pick fuck buddies they often do.
So keep your eyes on your women.
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I can attest in regards to Thailand, that ladies here are not as easy as everyone thinks from anecdotal evidence.
“Friend of a friend went to Thailand and got laid all the time”. What your friend of a friend, conveniently forgot to mention is that he paid all those “ladies”, half of which due to his drunken stupor were probably ladyboys.
I’ve been in Thailand for 3 month now, and let me tell ya, Thai women won’t give it up easily. They are also in it for the wealth and security. Plus, it’s kinda a taboo to date foreign men. Most Thais will tell ya that foreigners here get “sloppy seconds”. You won’t see a flock of women running after you just because you are a foreigner.
I’ve banged several American women here, but no locals yet.
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“Few are the women and maidens who would let themselves think that one could at the same time be joyous and modest. They are all bold and coarse in their speech, in their demeanor wild and lewd. That is now the fashion of being in good cheer. But it is specially evil that the young maiden folk are exceedingly bold of speech and bearing, and curse like troopers, to say nothing of their shameful words and scandalous coarse sayings, which one always hears and learns from another.” – Martin Luther
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Fat:
– American men are equally as fat … watch any network tv show, walk down any street … man boobs and beer bellies… yum..
Unfeminine:
– If we’re too girly and spend time getting ready we’re high maintenance… what do you want? uuh..?
Man-Hating:
– … how can we not hate you? half of you still live at home with your mothers.. have jobs that pay less than $20/hr … play video games for 15 hours a day … watch porn for the other 9 hours AND think any woman over a size 2 is fat.. of course we hate you.
Demanding:
-Us? Really? You take us out on a date and pay and then bitch to your friends how expensive it is to be involved with a woman.. which covers the next subject
Career Focused:
-we can only take so many fancy dinners at PERKINS.
Skreechy, Whiny and Bitchy: if you guys stepped up and acted like men instead of trying to be “stay at home mom’s” or career beer drinkers… we might not be such bitches.
Entitled: ABSOLUTELY… finally after watching our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts etc clean up after their cheating, lazy, self-indulgent man whore husbands.. who the hell needs you? we’re entitled to a lot more than your crap ass bull shit.
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what
I just saw those videos posted and how pathetic and sicking. I really don’t care whether the two adults ( behaving as children) kill each other……I CAN’T STAND them fighting in front of their children. Disgusting and shameful!!!! It’s sad the kids are witness to this behavior. poor sweeties.
I posted this in the wrong post..hehe!! it’s early! hehe!!
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Being of Slavic heritage, I can fully attest that most Slavic women are pure gold-diggers, don’t kid yourselves if you think otherwise, the only difference is that a Slavic women be she Russian, Czech, Bulgarian – whatever, still possess the traits of taking care of, or at least pretending to take care of, their man, just so long as you keep her happy monetarily. They are just better at hiding it and appearing sugar and spice. That said, if you take care of her properly, she is less likely to stray than a western woman, as she is usually content.
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Petit Chat,
Women don’t care to the same degree if men are fat or not. Consider the amount of paunchy [interchange rich/executive/intellectual/high-status] men who have beautiful girls on their arm.
Femininity and high-maintenance can be mutually exclusive to a large degree…
The reason why men watch porn and live at home is a consequence of feminism. It’s a varied answer, but for one, women are focusing on careers, not getting married, spending more times ‘testing the waters’ as opposed to dating, and if they are dating, dating hypergamously. Hence, men resort to those measures because sex is not an incentive to be creative, successful, etc.
As a general principle, unless I’m really in love with the man and we’ve been dating for a while, I split the bill. If you want to avoid such complaints, maybe it’s a consideration? I would be wracked with guilt otherwise.
Women tend to love men who “act like men”, marry them, and end up with assholes, which is what they were in the first place. It’s a vicious cycle. I’d recommend reading a few more blog posts before commenting.
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@DJ
Few here are under any such delusions. I certainly did not delude myself that I was acting out of mere charity when seeking female company. Yet its all necessary since its all an unconscious motive to create proper human hardware.
A vast crop of women can attract nothing more than derelicts and they seem completely oblivious to this reality.
Slavic women will certainly be more loyal because they are capable attracting men who more likely satisfy them as much as they satisfy the men they are with.
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it shows good feminine character for girls to stick betas with only the expensive bill
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*yawn*
jem was entertaining, for the 13 hours she posted. I guess the girlies never will develop dedication and follow through
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@Firepower
*yawn*
jem was entertaining, for the 13 hours she posted. I guess the girlies never will develop dedication and follow through
Dude, get a girlfriend or something.
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@petite chat
I can see where you’re coming from and I’ve heard this POV from other women. However (echoing sofia) a big part of why some men have reverted to this behavior is because of outlooks such as yours.
I find that the women who give off a frustrated vibe tend to attract the very guys about which they complain. On the other hand, my more gracious, sweeter, endearing girlfriends… they’ve somehow managed to have relationships with guys who don’t display those qualities you’ve listed above. I think it’s more a matter of mindset.
I’d suggest continue reading this blog, the comments, and even related literature to get a better understanding of what’s happening. You’ll probably start to feel better a/b the situation.
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There’s another plus to American women that people overlook: they can be real bitches. The average chick these days, at least in the big cities, is completely cold and often aggressively unfriendly to guys they don’t know. Because of this, I’ve found that when I’m in other countries it’s really easy to mistake femininity and flirting with romantic interest.
In America, if a girl I don’t already know goes out of her way to be nice to me, that’s a pretty good sign that she is receptive to the cocka.
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Dreamer, I agree that “law of attraction” is a major factor, but another is availability. Things have gotten to the point where too many young men and women are too childish to be viable partners by a reasonable age.
It’s mostly because of feminist efforts to push the age of legal adulthood further and further up. Now they’ve even got some scientists to say that people’s brains aren’t truly adult until the mid 20’s…much like when they told people eating grains and avoiding meat would keep them healthy.
At the moment, in some places, it doesn’t really matter how feminine or gracious a plain girl is. She is not going to find a man who will love her like her grandpa loved her grandma because there are very very few men left who’d be worthy to shine her grandpa’s shoes in western countries.
If she left, she’d find a better grade of men, but be an outsider to the cultures, and that presents a new set of problems. They are solvable though.
I get kinda cranky sometimes, but to tell the truth, I still like Israel in many ways better than the U.S. Men still behave like men for the most part. The ones who don’t have real suffering watching other men who have a life get on with it.
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As a guy why has a Russian wife, I have a couple of tips:
1. The further off the beaten path you go (Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.) the less competition there is. There are some stunningly beautiful girls that are worth the extra three hour plane ride (and if you are going over there you may has well just do it right). The downside is that many of these girls do not speak English as well as their urban counterparts. The first time I met my wife I used an interperter!
2. Russian women are as demanding as American women, it is just that their demands are realistic and usually obtainable. They have a much smaller list of absolute musts and will accomodate. However, You cannot catch something with nothing. If you are an Omega then there is not much more to say. Most Russian women are looking for stability. As long as you do not try to become Icarus and over shoot the mark you will be ok.
3. Age, it depends on the women. Keep it to less than 20 difference if you can. It bodes for better success. However, if you want to push the envelope you can but you just need to adjust you aim. If you are willing to marry a women with a child, then you can easily go 20 -30 years (once again assuming you have something going for you as well.) If you are looking for someone without a child then 10 -15 years will work (40 & 25 is ok.).
No offence but most of you guys really don’t know the Russian marriage game. If you like that kind of thing (I absolutely love it) there is no better way to go. Even a moderately successful beta guy can find an attractive woman and have a succesful marriage and children and if you have game it is like fishing with dynomite.
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In Russia 52 and 18 is OK. You just have to have game. Too many over 40 guys going to Russia get the advice that they should stick with 25 and up. No reason to.
Be Icarus. Unlike him, you won’t die from a little rejection. Don’t adjust your aim so much as adjust your game (in other words, do not settle in terms of looks but work harder to get the looks you originally wanted).
Of course you better be in shape physically.
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But not for better sex.
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@ Sofia
In terms of women not caring about a man being in good physical condition and still being able to have gorgeous women on their arms: the men have money, that’s why they have these women. If he was some fat port-o-potty dumper, I can guarantee he woudn’t have such a beautiful woman.
Feminism makes men watch porn? So, if i wasn’t out making a life for myself, then I would be at home, submitting to his every sexual desire? That could be fun… I guess. If I was a mindless person that had no ambition to do anything but wash dishes, while barefoot and pregnant.
I will definately continue reading this blog. Definately an eye opener.
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Sorry, I don’t pay attention to your posts when they’re under 25k words.
*yawn*
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@Professor Woland,
What if she pressures you to move back to N America, to get a viza, green card, etc? That’s inevitable, isn’t it? What are you supposed to do…live in the Russian countryside?
There’s no way I’d ever bring a woman back to the states. Almost did that once. Dodged a bullet. Never again.
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Petite Chat –
Feminism would only make men watch porn indirectly, by putting betas (and those whom entitled women circumstantially mistake as betas) out of action due to entitlement.
Entitlement is what happens for instance when an ideology gives a young woman the impression that her market value will last as long as the men around her.
Take a guy who watches porn in the US, put him on a plane to Colombia, and there he probably won’t be thinking of watching porn as women surround him and want to get to know him who know they need to get married to one guy before age 23 or become old maids.
Feminism is wrong to suggest to young women that they won’t be old maids after 23.
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@Professor Woland
As I have said, sex wants to progressively replicate, and a Russian-American combination affords that. The problem for Russian men is that, objectively speaking ,their women are the better deal. It is objectively better both ways and its exotic for Western men.
So if the old nuclear family is the goal, its the best option.
A 10 year age gap is effortless and more is very possible. Given that American men tend to live 15 more years on average, a 15 year gap would make little difference to her anyway.
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@Petite Chat
“barefoot and pregnant.”
I would wedge up the thong of a 10 in a most unnatural direction rather than listen to both the ignorance contained within the expression all the way to being expressed as a cliche`. I can think of nothing said that is more efficient in telling me that you have been cut into a particular flock by a rabid feminist collie. Use your own words.
The point to be made is that your career aspirations, politicking, name dropping and schmoozing have no value on the love market. By all means make yourself happy, but I would compare it to the tissues of a man making himself happy. Are you interested in that?
This blog in part explains what men want and indirectly what you need to do to get the men you want. Do what makes you happy but don’t sell the dirty tissues of your self pleasuring. This is no hypocrisy since the essence of this blog is how Western man is sick with the disease of his own projection.
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There are many places in the world where you can live with a hot Russian woman without having to marry her to get her there.
More and more countries are opening up their visa restrictions for Russia and Medvedev just harangued Biden about that issue today. He told Biden that there needs to be free travel back and forth for Americans and Russians or at least it needs to be no harder for a Russian to visit the US for 3 months than it is for an American to go to Russia.
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petit chat (it’s a masculine noun, so you can’t use the feminine ‘petite’ as a descriptive),
why are you speaking in absolute dichotomies, firstly? a lot of fat men who aren’t rich can’t still have hot girlfriends if they have relative status.
i have a boyfriend. we have a healthy relationship. again, it’s not constructed dichotomy of dominant/submissive. it’s understanding and accepting the biological limitations of gender to structure a balanced relationship.
you say that you have career ambitions, but you sound like an idiot. even if i did end ‘barefoot and pregnant’ i will probably end up cultivating myself on more levels educationally, even if not formally, than you.
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sofia,
Detox my Buttox…
-GB
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I believe Sofia has already provided sound cleansing advice. Though it does lack an objective assessment on the size of the nozzle and I fear petite sizings may be a bit loose.
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@Gorbachev:
You talked about the situation for the average white expat in Korea. In your experience, how would a black guy do there(assuming gainful employment, etc)?
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@Athlone McGinnis
You talked about the situation for the average white expat in Korea. In your experience, how would a black guy do there(assuming gainful employment, etc)?
It’s better than being in the US. For sure. That’s to begin.
– You will get laid much more often.
– Approaches will either tank immediately or get you laid more or less immediately.
Downside:
– Racism is real there. It’s visceral. I’ve heard (in Korean) women saying they’d never let black men touch them. Disgusting. The general meme, PC bullshit aside, is that blacks are sub-human. The only way to get lower than blacks is 1) Not to be an American black, and 2) be a soldier.
Soldier+black = feral animal.
Some women fetishize this and will bang you like crazy. A tiny percentage.
Even Koreans who aren’t racist (and there are vanishingly few of them – no matter what they say in public/in English) are completely status-conscious. A cute, young Korean girl is a past master of leveraging her options.
White guys have it so much better there, it’s almost painful.
Black guys, … have it better there. But I’m going to go with this: Japan is your better bet. A lot of Japanese women are into, for lack of a better term, “Sport Fucking”. Some on an olympic-training level.
Black guys, guys with tattoos, etc. are seen as more animal/less human there, too. Which means, in Korea, they’ll never be seen with you and won’t like their own self-image if they let you touch them.
In Japan, without as many social restrictions, they’ll ride you till you drop dead. And they do things in trends: Japanese girls MAY EVEN KEEP YOU AS A BF.
Which is nearly impossible in Korea. 10 years ago, a mixed white/Korean marriage/bf/gf thing was much,much rarer than today. I heard from guys who got there 15 years ago that you turned your head when you saw a mixed couple.
Now, they’re all over. But there’s a VERY CONSPICUOUS lack of black/Korean couples.
Korean society is *extremely* racist. It’s deeply ingrained. PC sensibilities die fast there. The newspapers, the media, everyone is oh so polite; but it’s the thinnest possible gloss covering a simmering pot of unbridled racism so deep it seems impossible to root out.
A girl who dates a black guy may be treated as a complete social outcast by almost everyone she knows. There are a few; they’re tough, stalwart women who have power in other aspects of life. Artists who genuinely don’t give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks– and this is incredibly brave in Korea, let me tell you, such a woman is made of much sterner stuff than similar types elsewhere– and foreign-connected women who place no reliance on Korean contacts, friends or family for professional or personal reasons.
That just about sums it up.
Now, “dating” isn’t the same as “tapping that fine ass”. You CAN tap the extremely fine merchandise in Korea, but this is what a black guy needs:
If you have a really good job and money and huge amounts of class, you’ll fuck every hot chick you can – but you’re going to be discreet. Be discreet, and you get your pick of the hotties. DISCRETION.
A direct approach from a white guy (me) – as in, hey, this was fun, so come to a hotel with me tonight – will occasionally go sour but rarely. Examples of approaches: Go out with a girl for drinks, you met her in the afternoon, she’s hot, say, 26-28, and then you suggest going to a hotel without any fear or sense of impropriety. I’d get 50% saying sure, and there we were.
A black guy – where I’ll get “Oh, foreign guys are like that, anyway it should be fun”, a black guy might get “Oh, you disgusting pig, how could you say that? Animal?” – as a reaction (though she won’t say this). it’s the ASD. A white guy gets around it a lot more than you will, because it’s not seen as *quite* as disrespectable for her to fuck a white guy she just met.
It’s a hard call.
I’d say Japan. In Japan, there are whole classes of VERY HOT WOMEN who will love fucking you until you can’t walk.
In Korea, there are women who will let you in, but there are fewer, the conditions you’ll need to pass are harsher, and there’s not as much variety.
You want the real score?
Blow that shit and go to China. Poorly kept secret: While racism there is just as bad, an American black guy still has the cache of being American (and not African), and so some “status”. And girls there love to fuck all kinds of guys.
Chinese men have this image of Chinese girls as being somehow morally pure or clean – it’s true for a subset. But this subset is shrinking awfully fast. Pretty much all of the pretty girls with SMV will gladly go to bed with a guy they find interesting / cool and foreign; they’ll make a respectable Chinese BF wait for a few months before she’ll let him touch her pussy.
Chinese women are past masters at the whole bait/switch game and the Mega Shit Test. If you’re OBVIOUSLY just looking to bang her and you’re not an obviously disgusting lech, maybe even interesting, then almost all big city girls have a threshhold point over which they’ll have sex with you. They know you’re going, they know you’re just into them for this or that, you’re interesting, they can test their language skills (if you even share much of a language – I used my troubled Chinese with some women who spoke *no* English; it was interesting running game in these situations).
Don’t misjudge situations. I’ve had women I worked with approach me, others make themselves available, and all guys I’ve known who stayed there always said:
Screw Korea and Japan. Go to China.
My experience was, if you want the very hottest girls, Korea. There’s just something about them. They’re dangerous, but you can read them pretty well.
If you want the best possible access to non-whores, then it’s China.
I’ve never really spent time in SE Asia, so I can’t speak to it.
But the best thing about Korea, Japan and China is this: Often, the women there are better off than women back home. Korea and Japan are pretty wealthy, and financially secure. No-one is looking for a passport. China, well, is a different case – in Shanghai, having a foreign-born husband who does something interesting is a major score. You become an International Person, and they’re much more able to suck the fat of the land than a pure local or a pure foreigner. Actually, from a financial perspective, marrying a well-educated, well-placed Chinese woman is almost always a good prospect for both.
There’s an international class of people in China. As a foreigner, if you ingratiate yourself and move into the system, you get “honorary membership” in this class. And believe me —
There is just no fucking end of hot women in China. It makes you cry when you get back to the States.
If the country and the modern culture there wasn’t such a free-for-all toilet bowl, it might be a great place for a white guy to actually stay.
That said, in all of this, bring a practical mindset.
And I tell you: Japan for easy tail. It’ll be as young as you can imagine: a 35 year-old black guy might be able to enjoy the companionship of 21-year old women almost as a matter of course; you’re their Sport Fuck this week.
I’m not exaggerating. If you have your shit together, it’s stupid time. Learn to dance. I knew a salsa teacher from NYC (black) who basically made his way through every attractive 18-23 year-old woman he ever met in Yokohama, and they all loved him and never even asked him for anything approaching monogamy. He literally got to fuck *everyone*. Almost on command. It was insane. He also had UBER-GAME, and would probably have made quick work of the girls in Rio or LA, too. But it was like he declared war on Japanese dicks and just stole every pussy in sight.
On the other hand, that’s Japan, and you can expect the fucked-up weirdness of Japan to slap you in the face all the time.
Korea, … mixed bag. I knew a few black guys who did well. But the white guys AND the Korean guys all do waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Also sad.
One thing you’ll own: Any black women or even other foreign women in Korea. They’re basically on their own. You can have every one of them, most likely. But so can most white guys. Trick is, why?
China: There’s the money.
It’s in social chaos. Everything is true, nothing is true. You can expect it to be great and awful. You’ll be called a playboy and the daughters of the country will nervously/happily/aggressively/discreetly/openly have sex with you/relationships/leave with you/want to get rich with you/fuck you over/introduce you to businesspeople/travel with you, …
Maybe all of that at the same time.
Warning: All kinds of Asian guys will say other kinds of shit. They’ll call your chicks whores or whatever.
I only know Korea and China well; Japan was too bizarre for me, and really expensive. Japan is better for English teachers (Korea is crappy for English teachers, by comparison; even China can be better than Korea for English teachers).
I would say: Fuck it all and go to China. Learn Mandarin well. Study. Try hard. Pick some decent business that’s not horse-trading or regular crap. Get some decent position.
As a black guy, if you’re not ugly and are tall enough, it’s the best bet.
I’d say pass on Korea. Honestly.
Talk to other black guys in Korea. A few will make out like bandits – there’ll be reasons for that. if you’re going to go to Korea, find out what worked for them and replicate it. No shame in copying – you’re in Korea, after all.
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@Sofia… and others…
With all due respect, if I choose to have a feminine version of a masculine noun as a screen name… let it be… unless your trying to be personally personable.
I recognize I may not have a deep history of realtionship and gender politics and evolutionary biology And comparative politics ANd philosphy AND use big words AND have a website which details my “shameful masterbations”.. but that does not mean I am an idiot.
I use a cliche and am ridiculed. Like you fine intellects have never used a cliche. I am sure the founder of the site and you as well have once or twice ruefully used “all is fair in love and war”
You boast you have a “healthy relationship” which is not a dichotomy of dominant/submissive, yet I highly doubt, even someone with your smarts has never once used the shit test or has not been submissive… how does he submit in return Sofia? “hey… put on one of those ‘vanilla, man+woman, dick in pussy’ porns?
Cultivate your intellect on a depper level all you want if you become .. excuse me… “barefoot and pregnant” — but you’re still going to end up as one of the women you so disgracefully and rudely reproach.
I, unlike you via sofiastry.wordpress, have not sold the dirty tissues of my self pleasuring. This whole site is based on males selling males their wishful dirty tissues.
Men are allowed a sense of entitlement with out question then? And if I disagree…? Oh yes, my feminist view makes men indirectly the way they are (lazy, live with mom, beer bellied, under achieving). I make them because I am work towards a career, desire to be independent .. turn their motivations to video games and porn? My desire to be successful has destroyed someone else’s ambitions? No. It’s competition and they’re not happy unless they have someone to blame for their failures. (Wow… and suprisingly they blame women…. this is new.)
Sofia, your photos are from the side, or blurry from the front.. is the positive influence on self-esteem from blog posting getting to an intellect like you? Maybe you’re just a bitter obese land whale… bitterly hurt by a male. 😦 Tear.
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@Petit Chat
It’s nice to see your input. But please read the archives for a few hours so you won’t ride off the rails of reason like in that last comment.
It’s unfortunate that you used the word “allowed” because non-Muslim men haven’t been trying to legally block female entitlement for 50 years (it
is other women, the Republican feminists, who mostly oppose abortion and lesbian marriage).
Organized feminism, on the other hand and coming from the left and the right, is all about criminalizing male entitlement.
This specifically cannot be argued as I will elaborate below.
If a 20 year old woman feels she’s entitled to act like a man and spend her 20s and 30s dating lots of people and then marry well in her 40s, she’s likely in for a rude awakening and a tragic second half of life.
But nobody’s going to legislate her options*.
If a 20 year old man feels so entitled, he’s probably in for a happy life, if he learns game.
But feminists will legislate his options, especially as he gets older and more established.
1) If he becomes an employer, he will become a criminal if he feels a natural entitlement and takes an alpha’s prerogative to sleep with an employee with mutual consent and without blackmailing her.
2) If he becomes a college professor, the only thing that can destroy his tenure and get him fired, is if he feels a natural entitlement and takes an alpha’s prerogative to sleep with college students not taking his class (or taking his class but not complaining about a blackmail situation).
3) If he feels entitled to start again by keeping his money and dating or marrying a much younger woman, his ex-wife and the feminist establishment will legally fight and win against this male feeling of entitlement to happiness.
4) If he feels entitled to date foreign women online, the IMBRA law will harass his logistics in doing this (and has already caused the industry to feel its legally safer to con men and rob them rather than introduce real people to each other and risk $25k fines if women later take advantage of VAWA and claim, mostly falsely, that their American husbands abused them.
5) If he feels entitled to date young women with adult bodies without having to check for IDs, feminists will be waiting to send him to jail or destroy his life by putting him on a sex offender list if gets tricked.
6) If he feels entitled to have the government stay out of his private life and not judge whether he, like Berlusconi, gave a young woman a necklace or other financial gift that some old female judge determines amounted to “paid sex,” the feminist organizations will be at the forefront saying that the man’s entitlement complex, to sleep with a younger woman, was not “allowed” and he needs to go to jail.
I can go on, but you can see why it was unfortunate that you used the word “allow” when it comes to a discussion of male and female entitlement issues.
*Keep in mind that much of the opposition to Roe vs Wade is that men are not given the same option of denying parenthood = responsibility for having a child. Again, it’s almost always other feminists, the religious kind, who tend to belong to Pro Life organizations (active members of these organizations tend to speak out, tangentially, in favor of jailing men for soliciting prostitutes or sleeping with 17 year olds).
sofia’s attractive and her intelligence is sexy.
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Gorbachev,
What about India?
What about an Indian man in China/Korea/Japan? Assume he is tall, good-looking, and well-off.
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@Andy
Gorbachev,
What about India?
What about an Indian man in China/Korea/Japan? Assume he is tall, good-looking, and well-off.
The Chinese have a general lack of respect for Indians. But break the stereotypes the Chinese have:
– dirty, backward, misogynistic, rude, smelly.
be classy, well-dressed, stylish, and use fucking game to the wazoo. Whine they might, but the women love the middle eastern/Indian macho attitude. You’ll score more than local Chinese men.
Western guys will still do better.
Indians guys in Korea have to get over the local stereotype of Sri Lankans and etc. working in the Korean factories. But be a business guy and it’s good.
India itself, I have no idea.
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@Gorb,
Thanks man, you confirmed some of what I’d heard already about Korea generally being a bad idea for any black dude. I’d never heard good things, but the detail you just gave me was remarkable, thanks. It really is a damn shame, though. I’ve got a strong(and I suppose rather unorthodox, given who I am) respect for Korean culture. Love the music(gigs of it on my playlists), the food(korean bbq is probably the best on earth, bar none), etc, etc. I guess I’ll just have to leave it at that and not bother with the women or actually living there.
You’re right about china being a secret. I’d always kind of heard these low-key rumblings about a few black guys(even Africans) doing pretty decently there, but never much detail. I just assumed that Japan was by far the best option in East asia for a black guy, with the Phillipines being the best southeast Asian alternative, but you’ve convinced me to reconsider China. Perhaps when I’m older I can look to further some business interests as well, maybe even use Singapore (another highly intriguing place) as a base. I’ll learn mandarin in my spare time for the purpose.
Do you know anything about black guys in Taiwan or Singapore? Or even just general comments on dating in these areas? Taiwan in general I hear is kind of a sleeper for women with there being some decent but unseen quality, but how true is that?
BTW, another commenter mentioned this on Solomon’s blog(RIP), and I have to second it here Gorb: You need to write a blog. Seriously, that last comment alone is golden, just filled with info you can’t find elsewhere. Even just copying and pasting it(along with many of your other comments) for a blog entry would make for good reading.
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petit chat
“Feminism makes men watch porn? So, if i wasn’t out making a life for myself, then I would be at home, submitting to his every sexual desire? That could be fun… I guess. If I was a mindless person that had no ambition to do anything but wash dishes, while barefoot and pregnant.”
Do you know what feminism is?
“Entitled: ABSOLUTELY… finally after watching our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts etc clean up after their cheating, lazy, self-indulgent man whore husbands.. who the hell needs you? we’re entitled to a lot more than your crap ass bull shit.”
haha
http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm
“Men are allowed a sense of entitlement with out question then? And if I disagree…? Oh yes, my feminist view makes men indirectly the way they are (lazy, live with mom, beer bellied, under achieving). I make them because I am work towards a career, desire to be independent .. turn their motivations to video games and porn? My desire to be successful has destroyed someone else’s ambitions? No. It’s competition and they’re not happy unless they have someone to blame for their failures. (Wow… and suprisingly they blame women…. this is new.)”
Read around at Angry Harry’s site for your “competition”.
That is, If you can use something more logical and less self-indulgent than “my grandmother suffered, so now you as a man should” “my feminist views teh win, and they men teh suck”.
And if you are capable of reading contrary viewpoints without self-combustion, go through Esther Vilar’s The Manipulated Man.
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@petit chat
“Entitled: ABSOLUTELY… finally after watching our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts etc clean up after their cheating, lazy, self-indulgent man whore husbands.. who the hell needs you? we’re entitled to a lot more than your crap ass bull shit”.
……………………..
Control your hairy armpit tantrums please.
I’d say its been a long time since you have been bent over and fucked good and proper….you reek of frustration.
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@Jerry-Yes, you are correct and I can see that most of the men here have not really been anywhere outside the US or for that matter in different parts of the US. Only about 1 % of the Russian females marry a foreigner and that includes all foreigners from around the world including the ones who live in Moscow etc. I probably know 30-40 Russians girls ranging from 19yo Uni students to the mid 20’s, all slim and good looking (I’m easily old enough to be their father) and while female nature may be the same worldwide the way they behave towards men is a bit different. They simple relate to men in a more natural way. Guys who are omegas in the US and go to Russia are going to be omegas there too and in fact it may be even worse because they’ll be completely out of their depth with the women. The average Moscow girl for example has a Uni degree(5 yrs there) at minimum, speaks perfect or at least good English that is grammatically correct and a with larger vocabulary than Mr Omega from the US, speaks other languages and has traveled to at least a few countries outside Russia. Mr. Omega is not going to be able to relate to a much more sophisticated woman there anymore than he can relate to the women in Greenwich where I live, or would the Russian girl find him very appealing. These guys aren’t able to just travel to Russia or other places and meet quality women and usually use some dating service or go on one of these tours to meet women where the females they meet are usually those who are from depressed areas and are so desparate to get out of Russia that they’ll take almost any man. Not a good deal for these men.
… to be continued
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Brazilian women are not different from the American ones. Each year, they become more and more similar to the U.S. ones: disgusting and scary.
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