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She Wants You To Help Her Be Less Independent

March 10, 2011 by CH

A reader emails:

I was recently having a conversation with the girl I’m currently dating. She’s the first girl with whom I’ve successfully fully integrated the Dark Arts of Alphadom. We somehow got on the subject of the amount people (males and females alike) demand from their partners, when she said something that took me aback:

“You’re not demanding at all!”

The reason this surprised me is everything in this relationship has been on my terms. I decide when, where and how long we’re going to hang out. I tell her she can’t do things with me and demand that she get me a snack after sex.

Why would her hamster make her say something like that?

P.S. Thanks to your advice, I got her a blowpop that said “You Rock!” for valentines day.

Another reader has seen the hamster behind the curtain, and he is amazed at its contortionist ability. What you have witnessed, good sir, is the halo effect in action. When you are gaming a girl successfully and she perceives your alphaness shining like a supernova, everything you do — even the stinky shits you take — will be imbued with a positive glow by her HIL (Hamster In Love). I have belched in girls’ ears and pressed my ass cheeks against them just in time to rip a vibrato fart and the best they could muster in reply was feigned indignation betrayed by fledgling smiles. In stark contrast, if any old beta farts in a girl’s face he will be chewed out and shown the door, or possibly kneed in the grapes. Similarly, if a beta tries to make demands of his girl, she will explode in self-righteous fury and feminist boilerplate.

But when you are loved for the charismatic alpha male you are, you can do no wrong. The bitter well from which those feminist harangues are drawn and that spill so easily from her lips when she is upbraiding beta males suddenly dries up when she is in the presence of a rare breed of man. It’s no coincidence that women regress to a child-like demeanor when they are with their lovers. The best of childhood is innocence, joy and carefree vivacity. That is what a good man does for a woman who loves him.

A woman who is constitutionally incapable of this girlhood regression is not worth loving.

The halo effect is only a partial explanation. When you are a dominant man leading your woman on the important, and sometimes not-so-important, issues, she will simply be unable to perceive your demands as anything other than sweet relief from the drone of betas buzzing around her every day and everywhere. To her mind, your demands, while objectively presumptive and patronizing, are freedom from her stultifying self-sufficiency, assertiveness and combativeness.

Do you think a normal, young, cute woman wants to be assertive? To take charge? To lead? To make the decisions? Of course not! When she does these things she feels less feminine. But when you make demands of her, she feels more feminine, more like a woman. She feels as if her purpose in life has been rediscovered, and the jagged edges of her daily grind have been smoothed and polished. This is what a woman means when she says “this just feels right for some reason.”

It’s almost Orwellian what happens to a WIL’s mental processes when she is in the company of her lover. Surrender is victory. Slavery is freedom. Submission is power. If you do not understand what I’m talking about (a reaction I expect from the feminist cunts and the inexperienced nancyboys) you will need to read the book upon which the Chateau of this blog gets its inspiration.

Men can’t comprehend why women respond so positively to dominating men. The typical man will bristle and his muscles will tense when another man attempts to assert his dominance over him. The severity of the bristling is in proportion to the closeness of the status differential. (Men tend to ignore or abide dominance assertions by men who are far above them in status, deciding it is best to fight for status rights where there is a chance of winning.)

This incomprehension with the flow of the female mind leads men to project their own sexual attraction mechanisms onto women, emphasizing things like youth and beauty to attract women and de-emphasizing things like dominance and authoritarianism. This is as good an explanaion as any for the mere existence of the mass of bumbling betas. But the men who have had their minds opened to the biomechanical matrix and their hearts opened to the transcendent possibilities for love are the men that women subconsciously prefer to shower with their gratitude — in the best way they know how.

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  1. on March 10, 2011 at 12:23 pm Little Queenie

    It’s all hormonal. Big deal.

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  2. on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 pm askjoe

    oh, a typo! Let’s debate over who wrote this!

    I like this:

    This incomprehension with the flow of the female mind leads men to project their own sexual attraction mechanisms onto women, emphasizing things like youth and beauty to attract women and de-emphasizing things like dominance and authoritarianism.

    All this cougar may-december fantasizing and SATC fetishizing ating young pretty boys seems to stem that this kind of hype originates from gay men projecting their desires. Not every guy can be “pretty” and even that ability to pull based on looks doesn’t last forever. Remember, any SWPL girl back in the 90’s would die to Lewinsky the pudgy, silver haired Clinton. cause he had da power.

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  3. on March 10, 2011 at 12:28 pm kevin

    “read the book upon which the Chateau of this blog gets its inspiration.”

    what is the book?

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  4. on March 10, 2011 at 12:33 pm Southern Man

    Kevin, just google “Chateau Roissy.” You’ll soon find it.

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  5. on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 pm Doug1

    Chateau–

    she will explode in self-righteous fury and feminist boilerplate.

    I’m stealing this line. It’s a keeper.

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  6. on March 10, 2011 at 12:37 pm Pete M

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Which book? I’m a little slow.

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  7. on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 pm Mr. N

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_O

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  8. on March 10, 2011 at 12:41 pm cynical optimist

    spill the perverbial beans please and disclouse the book thank you.

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  9. on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 pm Disconnected

    It’s called The Story of O by Pauline Reage, originally french. It depicts a woman’s gradual submission to her lover through BDSM.

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  10. on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm Disconnected

    And Roissy is the castle where she, and other women, are trained in the submissive arts.

    Sorry for the double post.

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  11. on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm Mr. N

    @Doug1

    I think a better turn of words would have been her feminist boilerplate exploding in self righteous fury, but that would have involved changing the subject of the sentence away from the girl.

    And actual experience with mechanics to know what happens when a boiler explodes.

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  12. on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 pm Orly

    I believe Roissy is speaking of this one :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_O

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  13. on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 pm Gendeau

    I wouldn’t bother with the book, stick with the posts on this website. It’s the website that has the magic

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  14. on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 pm Rookie

    Up until last year, I was what those in the seduction community call a AFC. I was either being friendzoned, ignored, or taken advantage of by all sorts of women. Because of sheer force of will and a willingness to take constant rejection, I managed to get lucky once in a while, but hardly with girls I had any interest in, and never for any significant periods of time. In other words, I never realized I had a problem. I thought it was like this for all men. Until I discovered the Chateau.

    While I’ve done better in recent months (bagged a couple of 8s, one taller than me), I’m still at that stage where I overthink things or overdo them, and it fizzles. I find my game unsustainable after i’ve used up the bag of tricks. This new post leaves me with a serious question:

    just how NICE do you actually have to be when running game on a chick?

    Some of the stuff I’ve read on here is just blatantly rude, and I’m not mean enough to try much of it. I could never fart on a girl sharing a bed with me, lol I get the cocky aspect, I get the aloof aspect, I get the smart a$$ aspect, I get projecting dominance to pass a sh!t test-but I’m still not quite able to rap my head around being genuinely mean. I’ve tried being rude on approaches and it’s been almost as bad as being too nice. So what level of polite behavior do you need to be successful with women? Or do you always have to be a complete a-hole? Shed some light, please!

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  15. on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 pm Scipio Africanus

    Roissy wrote this one.

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  16. on March 10, 2011 at 12:50 pm Bond Girl

    Boys, I need your input.

    I dated an alpha banker for a couple of months last year. Things didn’t work out and he’s definitely not husband material, but we still find each other physically attractive. We text flirt from time to time. I was wondering, how do I initiate a no-strings-attached sex relationship, or a friends-with-benefits relationship, if you will? Basically, I just want him for sex, he’s not long term material, we both know that.

    So, how does a girl initiate a purely physical relationship?

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  17. on March 10, 2011 at 12:58 pm Tigerblood

    Asshole and aloofness are only step brother and sister. And if your step sister is really hot, you can try to bang her but some may frown upon it.

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  18. on March 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm Lotez

    “You’re not demanding at all!”

    Push her limits. After-sex thing is easy. Try getting her ass on a treadmill at 6 AM before work, or cooking you food every time you are with her.

    If your one word is enough to make it a routine for her, you are doing it right.

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  19. on March 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm Gorbachev

    This is so obviously true it requires no comment.

    Summarizes the last several years of my life.

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  20. on March 10, 2011 at 1:14 pm Anonymous

    This is so obviously true it requires no comment.

    And yet you commented.

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  21. on March 10, 2011 at 1:19 pm Good Luck Chuck

    Nothing can mimic the high a man experiences from being in the company of a woman who has surrendered to his masculinity.

    Quite a shame, what a western man must do just to catch a whiff of such an intoxicating drug.

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  22. on March 10, 2011 at 1:19 pm Roki

    That was poetic. Althoughn I guess you should have a dignified personality as an alpha male. No flart rides!

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  23. on March 10, 2011 at 1:21 pm ATC

    Chateau said:
    Men tend to ignore or abide dominance assertions by men who are far above them in status, deciding it is best to fight for status rights where there is a chance of winning.

    Alpha men are exquisitely calibrated and will only fight if the deck is stacked in their favor. They know if their homies are at the ready to help, and they know if they’re on friendly turf.

    Like uterus-owners, alpha males are amoral. If the gang/fellow cops/frat boys are there to fix the outcome, then they can hone in on the next guy lower in the pecking order and crush him.

    By the same token, their instinctive hierarchical nature lets them know exactly when someone more powerful then they could be scrutinizing or confronting them, and suddenly they are all smiles and compliance.

    We betas are so despicably egalitarian. We show respect to people who we could easily get away with degrading and belittling. Then we go to protests, confront cops and get arrested for pointless SWPL causes. We are all about honor, dignity and quixotic missions for justice.

    Alphas have had plenty of practice kicking us around. How do you hit back? With honeypots. Alphas do not look a gift horse in the mouth. They cannot fathom a situation that appears to be fixed in their favor but is actually a setup.

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  24. on March 10, 2011 at 1:22 pm Gorbachev

    @Anonymous
    This is so obviously true it requires no comment.

    And yet you commented.

    Life is contradiction. Get used to it.

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  25. on March 10, 2011 at 1:26 pm Riff Dog

    I had a girl who liked sex on the very rough side. I’d spank her. Put clothespins on her nipples. I’d make her say she’s a whore. I’d choke her. With my cock.

    One day she told me she felt bad because I was always “doing all the work.” She was being absolutely sincere. She really felt that me holding her head in place while I rammed my cock down her throat was for *her* benefit. Priceless.

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  26. on March 10, 2011 at 1:26 pm Gorbachev

    @Bond Girl
    Boys, I need your input.

    I dated an alpha banker for a couple of months last year. Things didn’t work out and he’s definitely not husband material, but we still find each other physically attractive. We text flirt from time to time. I was wondering, how do I initiate a no-strings-attached sex relationship, or a friends-with-benefits relationship, if you will? Basically, I just want him for sex, he’s not long term material, we both know that.

    So, how does a girl initiate a purely physical relationship?

    Let me translate this for you. What you want is to initiate a sex-only relationship without the attendant Bad Girl self- and public-image. Sorry – no way to do that, girl. People have opinions. If you are sexual dynamo, few men will treat you like shit because they want to keep the dynamo spinning.

    – You’re thinking like a woman. Women want to restrict with whom they have sex. You want the best choice. If you want to entice men, think like men.

    Men are far more indiscriminate. If you offer sex, he will go for it. You need to be clear about it going nowhere. I suspect your own evaluation will change – you at least need to imagine that it can go somewhere to fool yourself, or to protect what you think his image of you is.

    Ask to go out, invite him back to your place, have sex, as him to leave. It’s about as simple as that.

    MOST IMPORTANT: Stop thinking.

    This is the easiest transaction in the world.

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  27. on March 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm what

    @Gorbachev
    “This is so obviously true it requires no comment.
    Summarizes the last several years of my life.”

    awhhhh..enjoying ,my salad..and suddendly started to gag!! lol!!!

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  28. on March 10, 2011 at 1:33 pm last tango

    yes, the projection part is very true and very simple… Personally I simply cannot stand any dominance attempts over me and definitely projected that on women I’m with.

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  29. on March 10, 2011 at 1:36 pm Bond Girl

    @Gorb

    No, no, it’s definitely going no where. Like I said, he’s not husband material, we don’t have much in common.

    However, I’d like to have a sexual relationship without all the relationship complications right now and he’s about the only guy I’d trust to keep it discreet.

    Would texting him and spelling it out with set boundaries and rules be better than luring him back? of course, I wouldn’t want him to want more than just sex either, we need to be on the same page.

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  30. on March 10, 2011 at 1:43 pm Corporal Hicks

    The analogy fits perfectly with dogs. A well-trained dog is a HAPPY dog.

    A dog that doesn’t have boundaries and routines is MISERABLE and shits all over the house in protest.

    Sound familiar?

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  31. on March 10, 2011 at 1:44 pm greenlander

    Once you’ve experienced owning the frame in a relationship, you’ll never go back to the frame of an AFC.

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  32. on March 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm Corporal Hicks

    Do not train a girl and she will shit-test you CONSTANTLY.

    Train a girl and give her benign (but definite) orders and she will love you FOREVER.

    Modern life is BRUTAL on women. Yes, they’ve made their own bed, and now they have to lie on it. But, damn, they don’t WANT to.

    Take that stress away and define a routine for them, one that makes you happy, and SHE’LL be happy, too. She will sense nothing but relief.

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  33. on March 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm Doug1

    Bond Girl

    Boys, I need your input.

    I dated an alpha banker for a couple of months last year. Things didn’t work out and he’s definitely not husband material, but we still find each other physically attractive. We text flirt from time to time. I was wondering, how do I initiate a no-strings-attached sex relationship, or a friends-with-benefits relationship, if you will? Basically, I just want him for sex, he’s not long term material, we both know that.

    So, how does a girl initiate a purely physical relationship?

    Easy, provided he’s attracted enough to you. Two ways:

    1) Just tell him. Tell him he doesn’t have to wine and dine you, but you’d like NSA FWB sex with him from time to time.

    2) Just show him. Text him at 9pm some weeknight and ask what he’s up to. Maybe a monday or tuesday nite. If he’s home or headed home, tell him you’re feeling lonely and wonder if you could head over to his to just hang out. Then act all seductive and coy when you get there. Don’t linger too long after the sex. As you’re leaving say he should text you some time to do this again, if he wants. Voila!! Fuck buddies.

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  34. on March 10, 2011 at 1:51 pm Heydrich

    OK, what dude wrote this?!?!?

    “So, how does a girl initiate a purely physical relationship?”

    It’s a two step process:
    1. Post the uprights
    2. Leave

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  35. on March 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm Doug1

    Bond Girl–

    However, I’d like to have a sexual relationship without all the relationship complications right now and he’s about the only guy I’d trust to keep it discreet.

    Would texting him and spelling it out with set boundaries and rules be better than luring him back? of course, I wouldn’t want him to want more than just sex either, we need to be on the same page.

    Just tell him the same thing you’re telling us. Don’t set up elaborate unnecessary rules. Do talk about his being discreet.

    Personally I like option 2 I set out above the best. But then after after sex say what you want explicitly.

    I’d also like it if you told me that you’d prefer if it was usually me that initiated.

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  36. on March 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm KarmaSutra

    I have a leather dog-collar all of my bitches wear as they enter the abode of Sutra.

    The tag is enscribed:

    “Master’s Cunt”

    They’re more than appreciative to wear it.

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  37. on March 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm Gorbachev

    @Bond Girl
    @Gorb
    No, no, it’s definitely going no where. Like I said, he’s not husband material, we don’t have much in common.
    However, I’d like to have a sexual relationship without all the relationship complications right now and he’s about the only guy I’d trust to keep it discreet.

    Ah, discretion, the better part of romance.

    Would texting him and spelling it out with set boundaries and rules be better than luring him back? of course, I wouldn’t want him to want more than just sex either, we need to be on the same page.

    My advice: Say nothing. Suggest getting together. Don’t spell it out that way. You want to bring him in and be slightly mysterious – guys love a dollop of that. Just DO it.

    Men don’t talk talk talk as much as women do about this kind of thing. They just do it. This is a transaction – just set it up and exchange. Text him. This is what you say.

    Hey, been a while (insert very brief blather here). Busy this weekend/Friday/etc.?
    When that’s done, say:
    “Let’s hang out. Come by my place/I’ll come by your place. Wine/beer/etc.”

    This is about as obvious as you need to be.

    I’ve been texted or emailed much the same thing any number of times. I’ve never, ever misunderstood the message.

    You’re not going out for dinner; you’re not saying “fuck me.” You’re saying let’s socialize in private. It mean: let’s have sex but I’m not a slut.

    Save the talk about WHO says what and terms until post-coital moments. Arrange another night to get together in advance so he can keep it free.

    ALWAYS arrange another night. It says: I’m interested in continuing to fuck you. Some people don’t do this, but having been in this situation often enough, it basically kept me around.

    Rules:

    – DO NOT ask about Significant Others or other women. It’s truly none of your business. Don’t even bring the subject up. Not a word, not a hint, not for one second. No implications. No jokes. It’s a non-issue and doesn’t exist.

    – Never offer information about that aspect of your life.

    – Don’t worry about social rules. Socialize as you see fit. He’s a human being, you can relate. It makes the sex better.

    – Make sure you let him get to know you (style, enthusiasm, etc.). It makes for better fuck buddies. You want him to relax with you. You become friends who have sex. This doesn’t need to be a deep friendship, but it graduates to a positive space where you’re interacting very comfortably and sex becomes a natural part of the friendship.

    – Boundaries: Keep it in the tone of friends who also have sex. This is easier than it sounds, but it’s mostly the woman who has to keep this in mind.

    Keep that in your head and it works out well. Those were my thoughts based on my own experience. I’ve done this a lot, and it’s never gone south, because I followed my (few) rules and brought this attitude.

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  38. on March 10, 2011 at 2:05 pm Gorbachev

    @Bond Girl,

    Unlike you, he doesn’t have a Slut Defence that will swing into action when you just have sex and thank him. It’s projection and it’s natural. Ignore your instinct in this case. That’s something only women have.

    BTW, less talk and more sex in this circumstance.

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  39. on March 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm Bond Girl

    Thanks guys, his birthday is coming up soon. Perhaps a good time to give him a special present.

    @Gorb

    Thing is…not sure if he has a girlfriend. I don’t want to steal someone’s bf. I know he was seeing a girl end of last year, but not sure if they’re still together now he’s flirting with me again. How do I ask about the gf without seeming bunny boiler? It’s just a topic that’s unsaid between us right now. I know you want me to keep it that way, but I’d be happier being fuck buddies if we were both single.

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  40. on March 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm john

    How long should you wait for the girl to contact you after a first date before you reinitiate yourself? I maintained somewhat alpha frame overall, and we kissed so it wasn’t without sexual contact. The girl seemed to be into me and suggested we stay in touch and call each other.

    Is it absolutely impossible for her to interpret my uneagerness as not being interested in her? Maybe I’m just beta. Also, if any related Chateau posts come to mind, please link.

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  41. on March 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm Bounder

    I’m having trouble deciding who is more dim; Bond “Girl” or the morons replying to it.

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  42. on March 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm Bond Girl

    Bounder is such a prick.

    Yes, I am a girl, why wouldn’t you think so?

    If you have nothing to contribute, shut the fuck up. Cheers.

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  43. on March 10, 2011 at 2:26 pm what

    @Bounder
    “I’m having trouble deciding who is more dim; Bond “Girl” or the morons replying to it.”

    lol!!!!

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  44. on March 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm Rollo Tomassi

    This power dynamic is precisely why the feminized model of ‘egalitarian equality’ between the genders fails. Even amongst homosexual couples there is still an established dominant and submissive partner.

    All women (yeah I said it) have an inherent need for security, and when a Man she becomes emotionally or physically attached to is unable or unwilling to provide what she expects as security she will feel the need to fill that security power vacuum herself by exerting frame control.

    If you find yourself in a slave-like state, more likely than not she’s realized you’ve failed a great many of her past shit tests and will be reluctant to give up any semblance of power she thinks she has at this point. When a woman comes to recognize that her man can’t or wont provide her with the security she needs for herself and her children she will assume the role of the primary herself. Power abhors a vacuum and she will readily step into the role of security provider if a man is unwilling or incapable of doing so.

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  45. on March 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm Bounder

    You are a “girl” begging for advice on how to get fucked.

    Everyone is sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for more of your pearls of wisdom.

    You want some advice?

    Act like an adult human being and tell him your desires face to face.

    I’m sure it’s just your hamster spinning and you are spouting manipulative pap, “OH HE’S NOT MARRIAGE MATERIAL”.

    Christ, I want to squeeze your neck till your eyes bulge.

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  46. on March 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm what

    Rollo,

    I’m impressed, really….so true. great comment.

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  47. on March 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm Gorbachev

    @Bond Girl
    @Gorb

    Thing is…not sure if he has a girlfriend. I don’t want to steal someone’s bf.

    That’s your conundrum. If you’re loyal to the Sisterhood, then I suggest this is general territory you don’t want to travel in lightly.

    Bear in mind you’re not stealing him. In fact, you’re borrowing him from himself/his gf/his life and returning him.

    If what you mean is you don’t want to step on another woman’s toes, then you’re up a creek. He could lie, he might be honest, he could say no because he’s not into you, you never really know why he’s saying what he’s saying. I’m always straight up – because I get away with it and if I can’t I don’t need to bother hiding the fact. But he may not be.

    If you’re just playing with fuck buddies, your rights to know anything are deeply curtailed. The moment you want into Disclosure Zone, it gets mighty complicated. It may not seem so, but it does.

    I never talk about one girl when I’m with another, unless I’m illustrating some point. I don’t do it casually. I consider it both impolite ( to both women) and irrelevant.

    NOW, if there’s a *relationship* if some kind, it’s best to be clear about shit. But you’re not in that zone.

    I know he was seeing a girl end of last year, but not sure if they’re still together now he’s flirting with me again. How do I ask about the gf without seeming bunny boiler? It’s just a topic that’s unsaid between us right now. I know you want me to keep it that way, but I’d be happier being fuck buddies if we were both single.

    Myah, then I’d dance around it and see what he says.

    You know, sometimes it’s good enough that you have a fuck buddy you actually want to go to bed with. That can be hard for women. Maybe getting edgy about what else he’s up to is getting too picky.

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  48. on March 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm Gorbachev

    Okay, it went south once. That was a downer. Again, she got attached and dumped a much less interesting BF for me. Without discussing it first. That was unfortunate.

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  49. on March 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm what

    @ Bounder
    “Everyone is sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for more of your pearls of wisdom.”

    No, actually, i’m waiting for YOUR hilarious replies!!! lol!!!

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  50. on March 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm SF

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365046/Im-love-Bill-Friends-say-Monica-Lewinsky-got-married-kids.html

    She never got over the alpha male to whom she gave a few blow jobs.

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  51. on March 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm Evil Alpha

    Thanks guys, his birthday is coming up soon. Perhaps a good time to give him a special present.

    @Bounder & what

    Bond girl is definitely more dim. Even after she gets the sex advice that no woman should ever need, she immediately fucks it up by trying to celebrate his birthday. How sweet. LMAO.

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  52. on March 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm Roxborugh

    I have always wondered a “gaming-pro’s” opinion on this question:

    How often should I meet up with a girl I’m dating? Not necesarily going out to parties and venues, but her/me coming over, etc. I do about 2-3 times a week. Is that too much?

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  53. on March 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm what

    Roxborugh,

    God, that’s way too much. We need space. Plus, we’ll miss you more that way.

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  54. on March 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm YR

    D emonstrate value
    E ngage physically
    N urture dependence
    N eglect emotionally
    I nspire hope
    S eparate entirely

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  55. on March 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm Gorbachev

    @Roxborugh
    I have always wondered a “gaming-pro’s” opinion on this question:

    How often should I meet up with a girl I’m dating? Not necesarily going out to parties and venues, but her/me coming over, etc. I do about 2-3 times a week. Is that too much?

    At least 4 days a week to keep the mystery.

    On those 4 days, be completely unavailable. Maybe one brief text if she texts you, and only get back to her half an hour later or more. You were too busy to look at your phone.

    I do mean be completely unavailable. Shrug it off when you meet again and move on to being right there with her.

    It’s ALSO good to make those 4 days consecutive. It’s programming: The longer away, the more anxious the woman.

    Myself, I’d say 5 days.

    Be unavailable on some Saturday and Friday nights. No explanation, just be good natured about it and cheerful. What were you up to? Oh, you know, out with the guys. I was really busy. Etc.

    She’ll think this and that and wonder, and maybe cynically come to comclusions and chicks talk to each other all the time about how some guy is this or that.

    It’s all background noise. The same girl who bitches to her friends will be all the more eager to see you. Women’s talk isn’t purpose-driven: it’s shoulder-giving. Go by what they do. Women whine to their GFs about their men or the guys they’re seeing, say this or that, then go back to the guy they were just complaining about.

    THIS SAID, if you’re in a big city, bear in mind *SHE* may have another guy on the side.

    This is so vastly common it’s got to be assumed half the time.

    But if the goal is to keep her in your stable, this is what you’ve got to do.

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  56. on March 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm chi-town

    “So, how does a girl initiate a purely physical relationship?”

    You have to ask yourself this question:

    Where are your ankles?

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  57. on March 10, 2011 at 2:57 pm JHK

    @SF she never married or had kids because she’s a fat whale that needs a harpoon and her sluttiness was advertised to the whole world. Not because she’s still in love with Bill but that might have a small factor.

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  58. on March 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm Doug1

    Bond Girl–

    Thing is…not sure if he has a girlfriend. I don’t want to steal someone’s bf. I know he was seeing a girl end of last year, but not sure if they’re still together now he’s flirting with me again. How do I ask about the gf without seeming bunny boiler? It’s just a topic that’s unsaid between us right now. I know you want me to keep it that way, but I’d be happier being fuck buddies if we were both single.

    You don’t want him in a LTR relationship; therefore you aren’t “stealing” someone’s bf. You’re making it right easy as a FWB for him cheat perhaps (he may or may not have promised exclusivity, or simply be dating someone), but that’s on him.

    I’d 1) assume he is dating one or a couple of girls or soon will be, just like you will; and 2) stay away from that subject until you’ve established a good repeat FWB thing.

    Then the stable, health fwb way to approach that subject is to give each other advice and encouragement. Either that or stay away from it.

    I think it’s easier for alpha guys to do this with FWB girls though than the other way around. You’re probably genuinely looking for a LTR with the right guy, that might and you hope will lead to marriage, a role he doesn’t want to play. He’s more likely to want to be able to screw around with several hot chicks including you, without them necessarily becoming LTRs. In other words, other girls he’s seeing are more likely to be in some ways competition for you.

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  59. on March 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Bond Girl

    Man, one troll makes a bogus post and the Beta responses start flying….

    Who cares, man? WWCSD? (What would Charlie Sheen do?)

    He wouldn’t be answering a troll, that’s for sure.

    BTW, it could be argued that Charlie is a bit of a roller coaster careening off the track, but isn’t that the point?

    What drives him mad (and me, too, **grin**) is the United States of Candy-Ass Beta Males.

    American guys are PATHETIC. Hopelessly addicted to porn, they can’t hit on a nail with a hammer, let alone chicks.

    Charlie Sheen is a wake-up call to all of us. Yeah, blogging and sharing posts is fun, but GTFOT. (Get the F*ck Out There)

    Rant off.

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  60. on March 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm Gorbachev

    Completely OT

    An interesting note on the feminization of men. You think it’s bad here? The reason foreign men get laid so much by the hottest Asian women in China is right here. No need for further explanation.

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2011/03/05/2003497398

    I love it when facts throw shit in the face of trolls.

    The growing femininity of men is directly impacting the quality of the PLA, making it a “socially disturbing” phenomenon, the article said.
    …
    “The younger generations are less pressure-resistant. The more feminine recruits entering service have to be watched carefully, in case bullying happens,” they said.
    …
    Speaking of a case he witnessed a decade ago, the official mentioned he had come across a soldier who spent at least half an hour applying facial cream and fixing his eyebrows each day, adding that the solder even rubbed on sun block and protection cream before exercises and drills.

    In other words: BE A MAN.

    On American soldiers:

    “They walk hundreds of miles with gear weighing 10kg, stand duty in tents exceeding 50oC and face guerilla attacks from out of nowhere. You have to be strong of body and mind for that,” the article said, concluding with a call to remain vigilant, maintain the PLA’s martial spirit and always be battle-ready.

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  61. on March 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm The Alchemist

    Bond girl shut ur skanky cum drain.

    What depths of whoredom does It take to come to this site and ask how to fuck a Guy? Unbelievable

    Bounder for the win

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  62. on March 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm Doug1

    Roxborugh

    I have always wondered a “gaming-pro’s” opinion on this question:

    How often should I meet up with a girl I’m dating? Not necesarily going out to parties and venues, but her/me coming over, etc. I do about 2-3 times a week. Is that too much?

    In the early stages after banging but before she’s really hooked, no more than once a week. But not on the same day. And not always on the weekends.

    You should actually be gaming other girls too, for practice and frame of mind, even if you don’t want concurrent relationships going, or to pump and dump some girls on the side. You’ll find that it’s easier to game girls when you’ve already got one and so don’t really give a shiite. This will help you up your game.

    Act like a guy that’s busy partying or doing stuff with his guy friends, and might be seeing another girl. Don’t say the later but do want her hamster to be spinning about it.

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  63. on March 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm donlak

    Bond girl,

    If he’s an alpha as you claim, he doesn’t want a relationship with you more than a girl to keep in his harem

    Don’t need to do anything, but tell him if it makes you feel better.

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  64. on March 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm Roxborugh

    Thanks Doug1 and Gorbachev.

    Another thing I was pondering about is – is it ok to raise your value to a girl by mentioning how other girls flirt with you?

    Or would I sound too desperate and needy that way?

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  65. on March 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm Doug1

    Roxborugh

    Another thing I was pondering about is – is it ok to raise your value to a girl by mentioning how other girls flirt with you?

    Never make a point of saying something like that. But you can let it slip out as an “of course” in context.

    It’s better to show her though. Playfully and lightly flirt with other girls when you’re at a party together, or just out and about. Getting other girls’ numbers in front of her might be a bit much though, esp. if you’re moving up from greater beta towards alpha but aren’t really fully there yet.

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  66. on March 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm cptnapalm

    Roxborugh, if it can be made into a funny “hey, guess what happened today?” comment, I would think it would work fine. Doug1, though, is right: best to show than to tell.

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  67. on March 10, 2011 at 3:51 pm old guy

    @Bond Girl

    Simple declarative english sentences should do the trick.

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  68. on March 10, 2011 at 4:06 pm SV Warrior

    Interesting by-play the other day. I am over at a large technology company that is very hot right now. Trust me, most of you use this application. Anyway I am there not because I am employee but because I am helping a friend who is consulting there. I walk in and am greeted by an employee who I met the last time. She is this cute little thing probably in her late 20’s. 7/10. I grab her hand (softly) on intro and she is surprised I remembered her from several months ago. She positively glows. Later on, I joke with her and then I neg her about working for a cult (company). She blushes and laughs. Still later she tells a common acquaintance that she thinks I am very dynamic and charismatic. Every other guy is fawning over her but I barely pay attention except for what I related here.

    I am twice her age.

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  69. on March 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm Anonymous

    He’d just quoted the book 1984 written by Eric Blair (pen name George Orwell).

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  70. on March 10, 2011 at 4:13 pm Gorbachev

    @Roxborough,

    Another thing I was pondering about is – is it ok to raise your value to a girl by mentioning how other girls flirt with you?

    Or would I sound too desperate and needy that way?

    Roxborough, there’s a massively important lesson for you here that you need to absorb. It may seem like a small point, but it’s not. It’s the key to the cabinet. And you have no idea how big that cabinet can be.

    The key is this: ATTITUDE.

    (bear in mind: I’m not an Asshole Game guy. So you don’t need to wear Jerkface paint every day).

    (Caveats: For the right attitude to work, you need good social senses. If you don’t have these, get them through extensive social exposure with anyone. Be the most social person you know. Engage anyone, even old ladies and fat guys at work, because you like people. The social senses you have develop naturally. Without these social senses, your attitude may work or it may not, but you won’t be able to calibrate it. And actually, calibration is important.)

    Never make a point of it showing anything. Be super-friendly in a casual way with women around you – don’t talk about how you flirt with women. Ever. Just do it, in a non-threatening way, as if it was natural.

    It builds up over time and women have razor-sharp senses for false alphatude.
    NEVER *TRY* TO IMPRESS THEM. Just do shit. Always let them come to their own conclusions. There’s no shame in engineering the situation in which they come to their conclusions, though. But do that privately.

    I have a parallel note for you. Take it as you want.

    I’ve been meticulous with my SO since the beginning. I explain nothing I don’t need to. Selling a condo because I need the cash? Do it with competence and be straightforward. Don’t over-talk about it. My concern might logically be 1) I’m not handsome enough for my SO’s obvious hotness; 2) I’m not rich. These are not small issues. They cockblock all kinds of guys. These are the key issues that most guys get bitter about. Women seek these things like the upwardly mobile vampires they are.

    I don’t have any real money, but I own my own place and I have a semi-comfy 401k. It’s not all my doing, BTW. I left a 401k statement lying around genuinely accidentally. The fact that I have no real cash was irrelevant; she knows that. But she saw this statement.
    – Chicks have eagle eyes for stray shit lying around when they start seeing someone, another fact I know; I stopped caring years ago, but I should have been paying attention when I left papers lying in piles. As it was, it worked out okay.

    This is basically all of my serious savings. She was shocked that I was a saver and not a spendthrift: she’s incapable of saving money, like lots of women I know. And I never talk about cash.

    She doesn’t think I’m rich, for sure. I buy wisely, I’m always looking for deals, and I don’t spend huge money on her (“that place is too expensive. Let’s go here.”). Many of her friends have major cash, ie are actually rich, if not super-rich, and her family was once quite wealthy – no more, some family members are lucky they’re not in prison – so I knew from the start worrying about money was a losing game for me.

    So what approach would a guy use? Get her to sleep with me then let it slowly die out? No fucking way. I wanted the prize.

    SO

    I never tried to impress her or even raise the subject of money. I never said, or say, “Oh, yeah, I’m not rich, love me for who I am.”

    The big issue is her social circle. I treat her rich friends as normal people; I don’t have three fancy cars, but I’m perfectly comfortable with people who do; and I ignore the obvious Materialism and Name-dropping her friends pull all the fucking time. Her ex-BF (suitor) is from her own background (more or less; different religion) and while he’s not super-rich, just normally well-off, his family is rich and his extended family is among the super-rich, as far as I’m concerned. That’s normal for this particular group she’s a part of. There’s no chance in hell I can even begin to compete. None of these people *need* to work a day in their lives, should they so decide. I must have a job.

    I never blinked. And here’s the key:

    I never tried to prove anything to her. I never assumed I wasn’t worthy of her. I never let on that I was intimidated. I never, ever pretended money wasn’t important, either. It just wasn’t what I had to offer, so it was as irrelevant to me as a civil war in Zaire. Sure, it’s interesting, but what has that got to do with us?

    At any point, one way or the other (“Stupid rich people money’s not important” or “I’m not rich but I have X and Y”) would have been disastrous.

    Result:

    She’s never questioned me; never bothered me; her shit-test questions about wealthy people she knows bounce off my armor; my vote about money-related issues is what goes; and my “magic brain” (ie, I’m male, not female) means I seem to know more about everything and can reason more clearly than she does. And NOT trying to impress her ironically impresses her more.

    Upshot: Not being rich has never been an issue. Believe me, her friends are all a bunch of materialistic status-whores, every single one. The hot guys flash custom-made Italian suits and trips on their boat(s). They brag about this or that. They go on forever about unfuckingbelievably-boring stock portfolios or investments or holiday properties. It’s one big party for them, or super-serious plans for European getaways.

    I ignore, in a friendly and very comfortable way.

    5 years ago, I’d have been terrified of losing her or not getting her because I had little money. OTHER GUYS have *no idea* what the hell she’s doing with me. She could have any rich guy she wants. But she’s with me. And if they knew what I was getting away with, they’d be utterly flummoxed.

    She stays with me for a few reasons, but here’s the big one:

    My attitude.

    If the dweeb that I was 8 years ago can do this, any guy can do this.

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  71. on March 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm (R)Evolutionary

    Gorb,

    As usual, your running commentary on your situation is of great value. It’s a long-term, highly detailed case study on how to use Applied Charismatic Sociobiology, a.k.a Game, in an LTR with a Very Hot Bitch. As you said, if your beta schlub-self 8 years ago can morph into your alpha-self today, it’s possible for anyone with the intelligence and will to do it. I think that’s the caveat, and the Chateau has said it before, it’s a small subset of men with the intellect, curiosity (#1 Alpha characteristic), and willpower, to learn and apply this stuff. Clearly, you are a man of strong intellect and curiosity.

    More germane to the post at hand, I’ve noticed that as I apply game to everyone (hat tip, again to Gorb), almost everyone responds to this stuff–men (particularly betas, old women, married people, children, and animals.)

    About six months ago, after reading here and elsewhere, I made a firm commitment to embody the Alpha archetype in the most authentic way possible. I studied my father’s mannerisms (a natural alpha, without a doubt), and general comportment as advised here. I have been able to land very favorable business deals simply by increasing my confidence, humor, and aloofness. I simply believe wholeheartedly in my own DHV. Clients now are falling all over themselves to renew contracts, and send me more clients. I’m raising my rates, and decreasing my hours. I’m pursuing, and living, the dream. I have not yet met my superhot LTR, but am enjoying the company of an attractive and very sexual and athletic woman who dotes on me, feeds me, lent me her extra car when mine was in the shop (the better of her two rides, even). In the mean time, I continue to hone my skills.

    I really should contribute to the kitty here at the Chateau (pun intended, I suppose.) Perhaps a Father’s day gift is in order. I feel like Robert Kiosaki–I have a real dad, who’s a natural alpha, but who can’t explain his success or comportment, and then I have the Father of Crimson Arts, Lord Vader, here at the Chateau.

    PS, I think if any other Chateau readers want to place bets on which commenters are Chateau contributors, past or future, I’d put money on Gorbachev being one of the top contenders, if he hasn’t already.

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  72. on March 10, 2011 at 4:46 pm Tim

    I think its also important to recognize that putting your ass in a woman’s face and farting is a high risk move. You’d better be sure you are alpha supremo. If you’re upper beta/lower alpha, I can’t imagine a woman would put up with that.

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  73. on March 10, 2011 at 4:47 pm (The Real) Dreamer

    That was beautifully insightful…sigh. Especially the part linking childhood and female relationship bliss. Before I never could put my finger on the quality that so defined the ecstasy of being w/ a dominant person.

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  74. on March 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm Schmoe

    Dutch women are feminine and work only part-time.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1364690/Have-Dutch-women-secret-happiness.html

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  75. on March 10, 2011 at 4:57 pm what

    @Evil Alpha
    Thanks guys, his birthday is coming up soon. Perhaps a good time to give him a special present.
    @Bounder & what
    “Bond girl is definitely more dim. Even after she gets the sex advice that no woman should ever need, she immediately fucks it up by trying to celebrate his birthday. How sweet. LMAO.”

    Evil Alpha,
    I’ve made a commitment to myself never to insult another female especially in the forum. In this case, I wasn’t making fun of her, but simply laughing at what Bounder said….his use of words. He is funny, right? There are many occasions I might not agree with what another female might be writing here, but I choose to not call them out. I’m after all a female myself.

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  76. on March 10, 2011 at 4:58 pm Bond Girl

    Thanks to Gorb, Doug and others for their insightful replies on how men think of friends with benefits.

    Most importantly, I don’t want to ruin our friendship, I know we’ll always just be a little bit more than friends, but obviously I wouldn’t want either of us to ruin something with someone ‘real’ if things got messy, which is why I wondering about the gf/bf disclosure thing. Also, I would like to be informed if he has a girlfriend because I don’t want a reputation for ‘stealing someone’s bf or have some crazy girl after me. However, if Gorb insists, I won’t ask him and just keep it on stealth mode.

    The rest of you who made unconstructive comments….you seem a bit bitter and bitchy to me. Perhaps you should just get laid or mind your own business if you have nothing worth saying. Good luck.

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  77. on March 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm Doug1

    Tim–

    I think its also important to recognize that putting your ass in a woman’s face and farting is a high risk move. You’d better be sure you are alpha supremo. If you’re upper beta/lower alpha, I can’t imagine a woman would put up with that.

    I would never intentionally do that. Simply because it’s so boorish.

    Would James Bond ever do that? A hells angle gang leader might, but I’m not and don’t want to be that kind of alpha.

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  78. on March 10, 2011 at 5:15 pm Gorbachev

    @(R) Evolutionary,

    I cheated. I went to a country where my SMV was higher than it naturally was at home, and the cultural barrier meant I was outside the social system, and hence not subject to the rules local guys had to follow. I was a kid in the world’s biggest candy store.

    It made putting what I learned and honing it much, much easier.

    Lots of internet trolls will tell you this means you’re a loser. Ignore noise. Trolls can rub their dong dry with Mrs. Hand.

    I wish I knew this stuff when I was 22.

    If you’re 25 and need some direction:

    – Pick an interesting job for the portability and opportunity. Don’t get a desk job or work for the most possible cash as a your priority. YOUR JOB SHOULD BE VERY SOCIAL.

    – Learn Game. Don’t bother telling haters to fuck off. Just ignore them and bed their women. Keep your own score, that’s all that counts. For this issue, time with women is what matters, not the points you score with sackless losers.

    – Get the hell out of your comfort zone. I went overseas, lots of guys do it, and I’m as ununique as it gets.

    I advise Asia. Hotter women (on average), especially in the 6-7 zone, which most guys will be comfortable with (8-9s are rare enough, and even in Asia, you need to pull some game or have an edge). I *cannot stress this enough*. So many guys in Asia laugh at guys who stay home, it’s stupid not to go. I hear the same thing about South America and Eastern Europe all the time. Go somewhere where you become Cool by not being local.

    The American chicks all think foreigners are cool, and get banged by them in college. Reciprocate the good vibes.

    Look, you don’t need to be Super Handsome like Assanova.

    “Oh the problems of Super Handsome Guys who just want looove, …. BooFuckingHoo for Me”
    “The Top 10 Things Ridiculously Good Looking Guys Need To Do To Score Chicks In Car Rental Stores.”
    “If You’re The Best Looking Guy In Town, How Can You Improve Your Game?”

    You don’t need to start throwing cash around. You don’t need fame.

    Be smart. Go somewhere where you get a bonus for not being local. Where you’re genuinely cooler than the locals.

    It’s the absolutely smartest thing a young American man can do.

    You don’t need to hate self-delusional American women who only bed the hottest Alpha guys and make you work for it. Just ignore them and go somewhere where you have some value, until you genuinely don’t give a shit.

    Then come home and laugh at the stupid hos that imagined they were going to judge you.

    Live well. This is what pisses off the feminist Glitterati the most. Work it so you just don’t need to give a shit.

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  79. on March 10, 2011 at 5:20 pm GP

    FUCK YOU BETAS !!!!

    BONDGIRL = SLUT

    WE TALKING ABOUT “DOMINANCE”, NOT ABOUT “HOW I GET MY MAN” FOR A SLUT !!!!

    WRONG TOPIC BONDGIRL, GO FOR FEMINIST BLOG AND HAVE A BEALTIFUL LIFE OF WHORE !!!

    FUCK YOU BITH !!!!

    GO OUT !!!

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  80. on March 10, 2011 at 5:25 pm Gorbachev

    Someone say something about this.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/09/traditional-marriage-us-report?commentpage=last

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  81. on March 10, 2011 at 5:32 pm Doug1

    GP–

    Don’t be a ‘tard.

    As someone who’s had friends with benefits or FB’s, let me tell you they can be great.

    Also it’s often semi good girls who want to keep their number count down and reputations intact that continue, or more often in my experience go back after a break off, to seeing an ex as a FWB, while they are picky in looking for Mr. right who will commit.

    Girls won’t do this if they broke up with the ex as too boring and beta, but will often enough if they did because he wouldn’t really commit, or had too different values to be a husband prospect, but the sex and sexual emotions were great.

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  82. on March 10, 2011 at 5:37 pm Begby

    “What would (connery) James Bond do?” is a pretty good frame of reference, when in doubt.

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  83. on March 10, 2011 at 5:39 pm CB

    Bset post in a while! Amen.

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  84. on March 10, 2011 at 5:47 pm last tango

    @Doug1, Roxborugh…

    Act like a guy that’s busy partying or doing stuff with his guy friends, and might be seeing another girl. Don’t say the later but do want her hamster to be spinning about it.

    Eh… I don’t hate at the pickup part of the game anymore (and Roosh and Roissy are to blame, it is way more palatable than mainstream PUA gheyness)… And LTR/marriage game makes sense/is necessity. But this is too much. Rox, wtf do you care? You already hitting it, let her worry. At this point what you need to worry about is how to not get too close and not let her tie you down too much, not how to keep her attracted. Perhaps, good game is being like that at all points..

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  85. on March 10, 2011 at 5:50 pm GP

    Ok Doug !!

    But, for me, is Ridiculous!!! Again, RIDICULOUS !!! to see a lot of BETAS teach a SLUT “What she need for get her man for friend with beneficts” !

    PLEASE !!!

    Are you FEMINIST ?

    Is the SOUL of this Blog give advice for SLUTS ?

    Ok, tomorrow we gonna see a lot of feminists demand about advices to CHEATING thei mans !!!!

    Good Job BETAS!!!!

    Sorry, but for me is the wrong Place to ask this type of question.

    Fuck You BONDGIRL and let us TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC !!!

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  86. on March 10, 2011 at 5:52 pm GP

    Ok Doug !!

    But, for me, is Ridiculous!!! Again, RIDICULOUS !!! to see a lot of BETAS teach a SLUT “What she need for get her man for friend with beneficts” !

    PLEASE !!!

    Are you FEMINIST ?

    Is the SOUL of this Blog give advice for SLUTS ?

    Ok, tomorrow we gonna see a lot of feminists demand about advices to CHEATING thei mans !!!!

    Good Job BETAS!!!!

    Sorry, but for me is the wrong Place to ask this type of question.

    Fuck You BONDGIRL and let us TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC !!!

    c

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  87. on March 10, 2011 at 5:54 pm Bhetti

    Bond Girl:
    You sound totally inexperienced in initiating this, and there’re some signals you don’t want to actually do it. Of course you know how to make this happen, but your superego is trying to stop you doing it. You’re reluctant. You’re making excuses.

    He’s hot, he’s attractive, but you’ve decided he’s not suitable. You’re frustrated, you’re lonely. But you can’t have your cake and eat it too; you’re already giving signals you could attach to him. Are you used to sex being totally casual?

    Make sure you’re totally confident you want this arrangement, and listen carefully to the signals from yourself. If you do something that betrays who you are, then you will end up hating yourself.

    If you do sleep with him, you won’t be able to take it back. If this is something new in the level of casualness and the level of numbness required from your emotions, there will be no reset button. This is irrevocable in your attitudes to relationships.

    If it’s important to you he’s not with someone then make sure you make that clear to him. He can take it, or leave it. If he lies, it’s at least not on your conscience.

    Hopefully you can trust him to be with people protected and STD free, even if he does lie about being with someone or not.

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  88. on March 10, 2011 at 6:03 pm Bhetti

    GP:
    I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but this blog really loves loves loves sluts. Although Game has many applications, it was invented to get laid.

    Men adore sluts. They give them sex*. Even with their wives, their ideal woman isn’t frigid or uber vanilla. Their ideal is basically a slut, but a slut just for them.

    Men adore women who properly sexually service them. I mean, when it really comes down to it, a man can get pretty much everything else from his bruvvas.

    *course, this is for men who can actually get sluts to sleep with them. Sluts have standards!

    Whores however…

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  89. on March 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm Bond Girl

    Cheers Bhetti, yeah I’m reluctant because I’ve not intentionally done this before. I’ll sleep on it for a week. We flirt back and forth and it’s getting a little tiresome, either have the balls to sleep with me, or don’t. Anyway, guess I’ll either do it or I won’t.

    Erm, it’s baffling some of the vicious remarks from people who LIKE TO TYPE LIKE THIS. It’s hypocritical isn’t it? For an alpha or wannabe alpha to accuse a girl of being a slut when he’s basically trying to be promiscuous himself? We’re just trying to play the game without getting burned here, and for once, I can. Anyway, I’m not a slut because we’ve already slept together when we were dating about a year ago and I always use protection.

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  90. on March 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm last tango

    here’s some blog fodder, would be nice to read our host’s take: http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/gender-differences-and-casual-sex-the-new-research/

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  91. on March 10, 2011 at 6:17 pm Gorbachev

    I’ve had (have) FB relationships with women based on the fact that they want to have sex and some companionship but for whatever reason can’t have, don’t want or aren’t into me as a boyfriend.

    These are not sluts, by and large. Which is why they pick a guy and use him for sex and doing stuff together for a while.

    You often hang out again when she breaks up with most recent LTR.

    This is as common as dirt.

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  92. on March 10, 2011 at 6:22 pm collegeslacker

    @Bhetti

    Hit it on the head.

    It’s so refreshing to hear a girl who actually gets it.

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  93. on March 10, 2011 at 6:27 pm Gorbachev

    @Bond Girl
    Most importantly, I don’t want to ruin our friendship, I know we’ll always just be a little bit more than friends, but obviously I wouldn’t want either of us to ruin something with someone ‘real’ if things got messy, which is why I wondering about the gf/bf disclosure thing.

    It’ll get messy if you let it. Bottom line. Your self-control is the issue. Women are always of two minds about this. A good FB will never let you have illusions, but will respect you in the bedroom and as a human being. Part of that is not letting you get ahead of yourself. But you have equal responsibility to exercise self-control.

    Also, I would like to be informed if he has a girlfriend because I don’t want a reputation for ‘stealing someone’s bf or have some crazy girl after me. However, if Gorb insists, I won’t ask him and just keep it on stealth mode.

    If you ask:
    – He lies. You made him a liar (he’s also responsible).
    – You lost a BF
    – You have a FB who’s being dishonest openly.
    – Your Anti-Slut Defence / Sisterhood Loyalty Mechanism denies you sex and companionship. Accept that or don’t.
    – Avoid entanglements where Crazy Bitch comes after you. Easy enough to do. A few pissed off husbands might have been hunting me if I was stupid.

    One other issue: Guys can get attached. If you sleep with a cool woman a lot, and end up having a quasi-relationship, you can end up getting very emotionally involved. I was with a girl 10 years younger than me (a few years ago). She was just out of college. I thought, at the time, I couldn’t have a permanent thing with a woman 10 years younger than me (I’m not of that opinion now; my SO is 10 years younger than me). So I let our hearts get badly broken. I never lied to her, but I let her see my emotional state. She knew me like the back of her hand. She knew I wanted to be with her in some permanent fashion; she was a very impressive girl, smart as all get out and genuine. We went from casual sex to FBs to Semi-BF/GF to thingy. Then broke up.

    Years later, she was still emotionally devastated by it. I never lied to her, but that was irrelevant. I let it get waay out of hand, and I actually didn’t want to let her go, I just couldn’t imagine keeping her.

    FBs can fuck each other up. The first person *YOU* need to be honest with is yourself. Especially as a woman. Your tendency to get attached will be much worse than a normal man’s.

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  94. on March 10, 2011 at 6:37 pm Doug1

    Bond Girl–

    Most importantly, I don’t want to ruin our friendship, I know we’ll always just be a little bit more than friends, but obviously I wouldn’t want either of us to ruin something with someone ‘real’ if things got messy, which is why I wondering about the gf/bf disclosure thing. Also, I would like to be informed if he has a girlfriend because I don’t want a reputation for ‘stealing someone’s bf or have some crazy girl after me. However, if Gorb insists, I won’t ask him and just keep it on stealth mode.

    Unless you are and both remain in the same fairly tight social circle, most guys won’t really remain friends with ex’s, unless they become friends with benefits. Alphas won’t generally be unfriendly when they run into the non benefits female ex and friend, they just won’t invest time in her at all, usually.

    Your best reputation move beyond his and YOUR discretion is to maintain that you’re just friendly ex’s. Without benefits. And without proof to the contrary. Most ex’s aren’t with benefits after all. And betas guys do sometimes invest time in ex’s that left them. By far most people don’t get the alpha/beta differences discussed around here with any clarity whatsoever.

    If you have certain sorts of ethical concerns tell alpha banker that you want him to tell you if he promises sexual fidelity to any girl he’s dating cause you don’t want to help him violate that promise. My view is that until he’s married he’s free competitive game, unless maybe the other girl is a good friend of yours and you’re still sure he’s not husband material for you.

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  95. on March 10, 2011 at 6:44 pm Evil Alpha

    @what

    I’ve made a commitment to myself never to insult another female especially in the forum. In this case, I wasn’t making fun of her, but simply laughing at what Bounder said….his use of words. He is funny, right? There are many occasions I might not agree with what another female might be writing here, but I choose to not call them out. I’m after all a female myself.

    Yes you are a female… which is why you are now trying to rationalize your laughter away. What you did is a form of insult and everyone knows it to be. You broke your commitment and like a girl you try to downplay it like only girls do.

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  96. on March 10, 2011 at 6:50 pm Bond Girl

    Yeah, to be honest, he’s only friends with guys like him or his harem of women.

    He’s a bit different with me because I know his game. So maybe he treats me like one of the guys now.

    Anyway, he’s too fucked up for bf material, I’d be too challenging and unwilling to tolerate his shit as his gf. So, at best we’re potential FBs or worst, friendly acquaintances who exchange greetings during holidays.

    I’ll sleep on it.

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  97. on March 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm Bond Girl

    @Evil Alpha

    Or maybe, sometimes men are just full of shit and it’s funny, so we laugh at them?

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  98. on March 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm what

    @Evil Alpha
    @what
    I’ve made a commitment to myself never to insult another female especially in the forum. In this case, I wasn’t making fun of her, but simply laughing at what Bounder said….his use of words. He is funny, right? There are many occasions I might not agree with what another female might be writing here, but I choose to not call them out. I’m after all a female myself.
    Yes you are a female… which is why you are now trying to rationalize your laughter away. What you did is a form of insult and everyone knows it to be. You broke your commitment and like a girl you try to downplay it like only girls do.

    Hey I can’t be perfect alllll the time! hehe!!

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  99. on March 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm Harry Morgan

    Shit Test vs. Projection

    Some of Bond Girl’s hamster spinning and a recent text exchange I had has got me to thinking that some shit tests are also prime examples of female projection.

    Case in point: in a recent text exchange with a FWB she clearly tried a couple “smoke out the beta” shit tests–accusing me of being ‘sweet’ and joking that I was in love with her. I was cocky, assholey, and sexual in reply, then ignored her further texts.

    Today, I get the text “I’ve been thinking about you a lot today for some reason”. The first exchange was undoubtedly shit testing, but I think the unconcious root of them was that she’s getting infatuated (other signs of this) and projecting that onto me (and/or probing for reciprocity).

    Another manifestation of hamstering at its finest. Downside, the FWB might be getting clingy… damn oxytocin.

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  100. on March 10, 2011 at 6:59 pm Cyning

    @Begby: You mean this?

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  101. on March 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm Doug1

    Gorb–

    I’m gonna be disappointed in you buddy if you marry, with a Doug1 style prenup more or less, PCG in much less than two years from no.

    Restrain yourself. Alpha up.

    Age her out some. Condition her to the living together rights arrangement, which will be the backbone of your prenup, aside from the legally unalterable area of custody and child support=also stealth alimony. Just resist her female impications. That be the path of alpha.

    Tell her no marriage until pushing out kids. Actually getting her preggers two years from now pre marriage might well be best.

    Hand. You won’t abuse it. You’re a decent, smitten guy. But very damn hot she in America might well abuse any lack of your hand.

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  102. on March 10, 2011 at 7:13 pm Serenety

    @Bond Girl

    You have achieved what you set out to do, get males, and by implication alphamales attention focused back onto YOU, what you always wanted whether you realise this or not.

    Stop saying you don’t know how to get laid

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  103. on March 10, 2011 at 7:13 pm Schmoe

    From:
    http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/gender-differences-and-casual-sex-the-new-research/

    Why your LJBF won’t have sex with you:

    During a conversation with your male [female] friend, he [she] says to you, “I have been noticing how attracted I am to you. Would you go to bed with me tonight?”

    [321.] The respondents were also asked the characteristics of the proposer, e.g. sexual capability etc. Most of these characteristics showed no real gender difference; gift-giving varied slightly, as did warmth and sexual capabilities. Women thought their men friends were less sexually capable than men thought their women friends were.

    Men were more likely to accept, 2.84 (1.92) versus 1.97 (1.61). It is interesting to me that the perception of danger was equal, though the prevalence of acquaintance rapes calls that perception into question. But the factor that drove the difference, in the absence of which the difference disappeared, was sexual capability. That was the only covariate that moved the needle.

    The whole study talks about the apocalypse opener, with some interesting insights to Chateau visitors. In particular, the main determiner for all scenarios, as far as we can tell, seems to be the perceived sexual ability of the proposer, above any other factor.

    Across studies involving both actual and hypothetical sexual encounters, the only consistently significant predictor of acceptance of the sexual proposal, both for women and for men, was the perception that the proposer is sexually capable (i.e., would be “good in bed”).

    Turns out to be true for men, too, but men think a woman who proposes casual sex might just be good in the sack.

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  104. on March 10, 2011 at 7:21 pm Anonymous

    “Anyway, he’s too fucked up for bf material, I’d be too challenging and unwilling to tolerate his shit as his gf. So, at best we’re potential FBs or worst, friendly acquaintances who exchange greetings during holidays.

    I’ll sleep on it.”

    @BondGirl

    This is exactly what he wants you to think so he’s winning as the alpha male.

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  105. on March 10, 2011 at 7:21 pm Gmac

    “Anyway, he’s too fucked up for bf material, I’d be too challenging and unwilling to tolerate his shit as his gf. So, at best we’re potential FBs or worst, friendly acquaintances who exchange greetings during holidays.

    I’ll sleep on it.”

    @BondGirl

    This is exactly what he wants you to think so he’s winning as the alpha male.

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  106. on March 10, 2011 at 8:07 pm Rum

    Drudge has a story up today that details how Monica Lewiniski has been telling her friends that she still loves Bill Clinton, after 15 years, – so much so that she could never bond with another man. That what she had with him was so very “special”. Apparently their few, brief times together could be summed up as “He let me suck his cock! Yah!” It did not take long for the comment section to be enlightened by mention of the appropriate Roissy Maxim.

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  107. on March 10, 2011 at 8:11 pm betondo fuchatuch

    Center-mass.

    The most fruitful, harmonious and even at times playful relationships I ever enjoy are the ones where I exert my dominance over her from the beginning. As her man, she is mine to command and protect, and I tolerate no bullshit in the faithful discharge of my Christian male duty.

    When I stand behind her, gently but firmly clasp her by the shoulders and whisper in her ear >Stand right here, baby, I’ll be right back< and I walk away to finish a conversation with another man or woman, she stands.

    When I tell her what clothes and shoes to bring, and not to wear a bra, she abides. As she should. And these are educated, strong-willed women here. It doesn't mean I don't value her opinion or respect her point of view – it just means that there's one head. And for her to achieve true happiness, there can be no confusion here. None.

    These same women, within 4 minutes behind any closed door, when I raise the skirt and plunge in, they are warm-river ready. If a woman knows that the head of life intends to fuck her, she won't need a 20min appetizer before the New York strip.

    I want my shit, honey.
    Just do it – I'll see you there.
    Because it's what I like, sugar plumb.

    And they love that shit, as they naturally should.

    In my early relationships, back when I believed that bullshit about men and women being essentially equal, I never got the respect and Kathleen Turner Body Heat microwave-ready vag that I get now. And when I look back, those women were pleading with me to lead them – though not in those words at all. But if she has to say that, she knows she's with the wrong dude.

    There is no compromise here, not on the fundamental level. If there is, I'm talking to the wrong chick and I'm down the fucking road looking for someone who understands the alignment and knows how the cow eats the cabbage.

    And relationships like this are over when the man says so. Equality relationships are over when she says so.

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  108. on March 10, 2011 at 9:12 pm n/a

    A helpful tip:

    When the *farts* are piping, it’s Roissy that’s typing.

    You’re welcome.

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  109. on March 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm walawala

    Very timely post. I’ve moved from the initial stages of game to now seeing a girl who checks every move she makes with me.

    Examples: “My cougar friend wants me to go away for a week to Italy, is that ok with you?”

    Me: No…

    Her: Ok….

    At first these types of requests seemed odd. But now given the intensity of our banging and the other factors that she has said “My man is my priority….” it is clear that to waffle or waiver will be a tingle killer.

    Yes, she gets “scared” when I recently read the riot act to her regarding the cougar friend.

    But….now, when we go out….cougar friend keeps a very healthy distance and girl understands how I expect her to be in these situations.

    That tension has resolved itself and we now focus on doing things.

    She also brought up going away in a group. I didn’t want to do that.

    She asks “My friends are booking a hotel would you like to join??

    Me: “I’ll sort out the hotel.”

    She doesn’t want to have to think. This isn’t a situation where I’m “calling the shots”…but she expects that I’m clear in what I want.

    She has said on several occasions “I want a man who knows what he wants…”

    I also know the deal. No verbal abuse, not raising of voice, constantly gaming and teasing.

    She also now notes things like a search engine that I like.

    I ordered a tea once. A few weeks later, she got back from a trip and brought back a box of that same tea.

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  110. on March 10, 2011 at 9:34 pm Gramps

    About that 5 minutes of alpha worth five years of a beta. Read this and weep.

    ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365046/Im-love-Bill-Friends-say-Monica-Lewinsky-got-married-kids.html

    My attitude is: Who the hell wants to spend more than 5 minutes with a woman? (OK, two hours is my limit.) Life is too short.

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  111. on March 10, 2011 at 9:42 pm walawala

    @Roxborough

    “”Another thing I was pondering about is – is it ok to raise your value to a girl by mentioning how other girls flirt with you?

    Or would I sound too desperate and needy that way?””

    I personally think it sounds “try-hard”…

    A better way is to have girls flirt with you or game them in person so she sees it.

    Often, when I’ve done this with girls, it has a very negative reaction. Girl will say “Good for you” —a very good response to a male “shit-test”.

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  112. on March 10, 2011 at 9:45 pm RedEmperor

    (r)evolutionary,

    Gorb is right maybe 70% of the time, so he’s doing better than most. Reckon BondGirl is a hoax though.

    But you touched on a bigger issue- the whole issue of Chateau contributors- if you ask me Roissy is damaging his brand with this, if it is the case. I’ve read this blog a long time and the multiple author scheme is not an improvement. The site is still excellent, but maybe our host should do an Artie Bucco and go back in the kitchen.

    Or if other contributors used a different name, that would be grand too.

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  113. on March 10, 2011 at 10:25 pm desiderius

    “He’s hot, he’s attractive, but you’ve decided he’s not suitable.”

    Just because the hamster says it was her decision doesn’t mean it actually was.

    Sugar-coating => kitty litter

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  114. on March 10, 2011 at 10:29 pm theprivateman

    “…was the perception that the proposer is sexually capable (i.e., would be ‘good in bed’)”

    Nice.

    ‘Gina tingles.

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  115. on March 10, 2011 at 10:44 pm me me me

    Surrender is victory. Slavery is freedom.

    hear hear

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  116. on March 10, 2011 at 11:00 pm Roxborugh

    Thanks everyone for their responses. I’m learning a lot.

    Now what’s the best way to handle this situation:

    In couple months, I will be going to Spain for about two weeks on a vacation – tours, sightseeing, etc.

    How would you present these news to her?

    In light of maintaining the “mystery” – Don’t say anything until the last day? Don’t say anything at all? Tell her in advance?

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  117. on March 10, 2011 at 11:13 pm walawala

    @Roxborough…

    I just went away for 3 weeks.

    Worrying what she’ll think is beta.

    Just tell her: “I’m going to Barcelona to watch the bullfights in May. Spain is awesome, food is shit.”

    See her reaction.

    THe reaction of my girl was to bang me senseless before I left. To give me a “pre-Valentine”s gift and to chat and even called to say “hi”.

    The point here is if you’ve gamed her sufficiently, she’ll look at this as a cool thing not a turn-off.

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  118. on March 10, 2011 at 11:19 pm Roxborugh

    Oh, idc what she thinks. I did game her sufficiently and I know that there won’t be any protests or cheating accusations, or shit-tests regarding my trip.

    I was just asking of how to present it in a more “alpha” way, if you will. Assholl-y disappear for two weeks?

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  119. on March 10, 2011 at 11:54 pm Pro

    @RoxBorough

    Tell her you go to Pamplona, to run against the bulls, extra tingles for that.

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  120. on March 11, 2011 at 12:06 am Rum

    Mike Drudge reports that M. Luinsky is even now (15yrs on) in a constant state of arousal for another chance to suck B. Clinton-cock.

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  121. on March 11, 2011 at 12:16 am Ariel

    @Rox

    You’re being disingenuous, you do care what she thinks and in the course of “presenting” her with the news of this trip, you also want to come across as the alpha you are not.

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  122. on March 11, 2011 at 12:23 am Hmmmm...

    Funny that Bond Girl is worried that this guy won’t like that she’s acting so Beta.

    Tells you all you need to know about what women think of Betas.

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  123. on March 11, 2011 at 1:57 am walawala

    @Roxborough

    Context is important.

    If disappearing for weeks would be something that would motivate her to be more dedicated, sure.

    But if she’s already in love with you and attracted, you may want to avoid “over-gaming” her.

    My problem isn’t being alpha. It’s over-gaming to the point where the girl isn’t turned on, she’s hurt and turned off.

    Women at some point depending on their age, backgrounds, personalities and hotness will see you as untainable or not worth the effort.

    If I’m gaming a girl and haven’t banged her or have an FB relationship with her then yah, I’d disappear.

    If we’re seeing each other, then I’d have to determine the best way.

    I go away a lot on biz trips. I don’t always say where I am. Sometimes I’ll sms…or chat and she’ll say where are you? I’ll say I’m in xxx. That’s also DHV.

    You may try that. Write her from Spain.

    The more I understand game, the more I realize that there may not be a need to be an a-hole all the time. It needs to be seen to be part of your personality otherwise being an a-hole could come off as just being an a-hole and not alpha. Or it could come off as angry.

    I temper my actions now with “What is the impact I want?” then gauge actions that way.

    I prime motivation is “Is this DHV?”

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  124. on March 11, 2011 at 2:27 am Mukluk

    Yes. Overgaming is a big risk. Most people have way too little game, so prescribing as much game as possible is usually the best play for them. But the fact is that there is an optimal amount of game for each situation. I’ve overgamed 20 year olds without realizing that my basic stats combined with rudimentary game had already slayed them plenty sufficiently.

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  125. on March 11, 2011 at 2:54 am Mukluk

    A lot of it depends on the chick. Girls from sleepy towns will be turned off at a different level of game than hardened, cynical urbanite chicks, for example.

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  126. on March 11, 2011 at 3:09 am z

    For the Chateau, just in case he hasn’t seen this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365046/Im-love-Bill-Friends-say-Monica-Lewinsky-got-married-kids.html

    Monica Lewinsky is still in love with Bill Clinton, at 37, 15 years after affair.
    She -never- got over.

    Ive seen similar things happen with lesser alphas who had affairs with women. They just can’t get past it.

    Like you said, 5 minutes of alpha is worth…………………….

    Bill really ought be ashamed of himself. He ruined this girls life, and she really probably is a pretty good gal with a good heart, if a little ditzy. She’s still facially cute.

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  127. on March 11, 2011 at 3:22 am James

    Gorbachev,

    I appreciate your input. Can you give us some sense of what a “semi-comfy 401(k)” comes in at? It would be helpful to me, and probably to others, to have a sort of benchmark of what we need to be aiming for.

    Thank you.

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  128. on March 11, 2011 at 4:03 am RedEmperor

    R evolutionary

    You touched on a bigger issue- the whole issue of Chateau contributors- if you ask me Roissy is damaging his brand with this, if it is the case. I’ve read this blog a long time and the multiple author scheme is not an improvement. The site is still excellent, but maybe our host should do an Artie Bucco and go back in the kitchen.

    Or if other contributors used a different name, that would be grand too.

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  129. on March 11, 2011 at 4:03 am Anonymous

    Regarding that article on Dutch women not having a culture of nannies, they are smart. If a woman builds a career and works full time into her thirties and then has kids and a nanny, she better be married to a beta because an alpha husband will do the nanny (or find a reason to get a different nanny). Between a feminist career woman and a nanny, who’d you pick?

    Still waiting for a post on Daniel Craig dressing up as a woman for International Women’s Day and agreeing with Judy Dench as she spews radical feminist hatred on him.

    Already men are responding on YouTube to this destruction of the Bond image that would have Ian Fleming not just turning in his grave but trying to get out of his grave to bang Daniel Craig up the side of the head:

    Ian Fleming may have smoked and drank too much and died at an early age of 53, but he was an alpha who would only brook feminism as far as they’re agreeing to the idea of premarital sex.

    Daniel Craig should have steadfastly refused to do that feminist video the other day.

    And it really pisses me off that it was done as a “public service announcement” for free.

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  130. on March 11, 2011 at 5:32 am gramercy

    Beautifully written. Best Roissy post in a while.

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  131. on March 11, 2011 at 6:24 am namae nanka

    “It’s almost Orwellian what happens to a WIL’s mental processes when she is in the company of her lover. Submission is power. If you do not understand what I’m talking about (a reaction I expect from the feminist cunts and the inexperienced nancyboys) you will need to read the book upon which the Chateau of this blog gets its inspiration.”

    Esther Vilar’s The manipulated man would be a good read as well.

    “5 comments now in moderation”

    don’t use profanities.

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  132. on March 11, 2011 at 6:31 am Gramps

    About Bill and Monica: He treated her like the total asshole that he is.

    The feminists love him.

    Conservative men hate him.

    Do the math.

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  133. on March 11, 2011 at 7:02 am RedEmperor

    Namae Nanka,

    No profanities in any of these comments.

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  134. on March 11, 2011 at 7:08 am Tf 25

    Having many contributors to the Chateau under the same name is like selling Chivas regal and Gatorade under the same label.

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  135. on March 11, 2011 at 7:39 am Anonymous

    Gramps –

    You mean neoconservative men hated Bill:

    http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/

    Cue GBFM in 3, 2, 1…

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  136. on March 11, 2011 at 8:43 am Doug1

    Mukluk

    Yes. Overgaming is a big risk.

    Calibration is key.

    Not so much before the fact, category calibration. Though a little of that for the starting level.

    Much more in set, feeling her reactions, calibration.

    I guess this does take some social intelligence. Yuup, that’s part of game.

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  137. on March 11, 2011 at 8:49 am Doug1

    walawala–

    Good comment. Good balance.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/she-wants-you-to-help-her-be-less-independent/#comment-240356

    Part of tight game, at least mine, is being very loving at times. Very comforting, caring about her, getting her.

    Then withdrawing that coldly when she isn’t being pleasing enough, or working for it enough. Or just sometimes randomly, due to focusing on other things.

    But then back for her when she’s hurting and it isn’t pretend, girl game.

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  138. on March 11, 2011 at 8:52 am Doug1

    Anonymous–

    Daniel Craig should have steadfastly refused to do that feminist video the other day.

    And it really pisses me off that it was done as a “public service announcement” for free.

    I agree. I was only interested in getting halfway through that abominable rad feminist “public service” advert.

    He’s gone way down in my estimation.

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  139. on March 11, 2011 at 9:29 am doosra

    I am a lower alpha. Game tells me that I should be striving to become a higher and higher alpha. I accept this and work on it. But for the sake of this question assume that I have a certain amount of game at the moment. I have a steady rotation of women, but I have a choice of two women as main squeeze

    a. A 6.5 Treats me like an solid alpha
    b. A 7.5. Treats me like a higher beta

    who do I choose. I keep dumping a’s and finding b’s, and then wondering what if it is worth it. Who would you choose if you had those two options (assume there is no c – a 10 you treats you like a super alpha)

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  140. on March 11, 2011 at 9:40 am Trimegistus

    Conservative men didn’t hate Bill C. because he was boning a pudgy intern. (They may have wondered why the most powerful man in the world settled for a pudgy intern, but that’s another matter.)

    They hated him because he was a lying, corrupt piece of shit who had the media elbowing his pudgy intern aside to get at his dick.

    Quick: what was the “Lewinsky scandal” about? Why was he impeached? If you answer “sex with a pudgy intern,” you’re repeating the media lie. The scandal was that a sitting President of the United States lied under oath. Liberals don’t even understand that lying under oath is wrong, let alone a crime. So they figured “oh, those neocons are just jealous because they can’t get pudgy interns to blow them.”

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  141. on March 11, 2011 at 10:27 am Tyrone

    @James:

    calculate what you think you will need to live on per year with no income for say 25-30 years and calculate the future value of that at say a 10% rate and you will have your amount. The amount varies by person. If you have a wife and three kids to send to college, its more. If you’re single and want to live in Thailand, Belize or Columbia, it will be less.

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  142. on March 11, 2011 at 10:51 am Doug1

    Roxborugh

    I was just asking of how to present it in a more “alpha” way, if you will. Assholl-y disappear for two weeks?

    The basic principle aside from thinking about yourself first (but that doesn’t mean her not at all), is to play with her by causing some drama for her from time to time, but not real pain, at least that goes on for long.

    I kinda like walawala’s idea of texting her from Spain three or four days into your trip, as your first telling her about it. Joke around about it when texting her. Tell her you’re enjoying messin w/her a little.

    But if there’s any real chance she’ll spend time and energy organizing something for you (such as for your birthday) to take place during your trip, then tell her before she might. That kind of thing.

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  143. on March 11, 2011 at 10:59 am Doug1

    doosra–

    a. A 6.5 Treats me like an solid alpha

    b. A 7.5. Treats me like a higher beta

    who do I choose. I keep dumping a’s and finding b’s, and then wondering what if it is worth it. Who would you choose if you had those two options (assume there is no c – a 10 you treats you like a super alpha)

    What I’d do is start treating b cavalierly, like you really don’t give a shiite. Almost trying to get her to walk away. Spend more time with a. Keep treating a the same way you have been, and reap those rewards.

    If b starts treating you more like an alpha or lesser alpha, chose her. Else keep giving her less and less attention til she walks away.

    Actually if she doesn’t come around towards treating you more alpha, I’d ease her into a friends w/benefits role, assuming she’s not a bitch towards you, or stops being one.

    If she does come around, ease the 6.5 into the FWB role.

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  144. on March 11, 2011 at 11:01 am itsme

    They may have wondered why the most powerful man in the world settled for a pudgy intern,

    look what he’s married to. not so sure i can fault him…

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  145. on March 11, 2011 at 11:05 am Doug1

    doorsa–

    The best way to ease a girl you’re seeing into a FWB role is to tell her you really love seeing her, but you’re not in a place in you life right now to commit, and you know she wants that from you. Tell her that to be fair to herself she really should be looking for Mr. Right, who can’t be you right now. But that you’d love to see her from time to time while she’s looking, as a friend. Then seduce her when she comes over as a friend and start making it FWBs.

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  146. on March 11, 2011 at 11:21 am itsme

    just watched that daniel craig emasculation video…

    pathetic, but somehow it didn’t really surprise me all that much. that he agreed to do it shows that he’s a mangina in real life, and not a james bond. i guess portraying something you’re not is part of being an actor.

    i wonder what eon productions thinks about this video. i bet they ok’d it. again, not surprising.

    think sean connery would ever agree to something like this?

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  147. on March 11, 2011 at 11:21 am Lara

    Trimegistus,
    I suppose you would have respected Clinton more if he had gone on in great detail about exactly what took place when he and Monica were alone.

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  148. on March 11, 2011 at 11:30 am Anonymous

    Quick question: Did the Wisconsin governor succeed in ending mandatory union dues?

    I’m getting the impression that Fox News is covering that part up to claim victory.

    The most important thing was to stop mandatory union dues but Fox News keeps talking about stopping “collective bargaining rights”.

    Can’t Fox ever follow the ball (money) or are they still just a bunch of neocons who change the script every day as if their followers aren’t paying real attention anyway?

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  149. on March 11, 2011 at 11:45 am dragnet

    @ Evil Alpha

    “Even after she gets the sex advice that no woman should ever need, she immediately fucks it up by trying to celebrate his birthday.”

    The bolded portion here is key.

    The fact that that Bond Girl needs to write into Roissy to figure out how to get sex tells you all you need to know about the state of her womanhood, and of most other Western women today. She vaguely reminds me of that other social retard, the ever vapid Penelope Trunk, who penned this gem in response to the Karen Owen powerpoint scandal:

    “Nothing is sacred and nothing is secret, and we can crowdsource anything, to learn everything faster, even how to pick up a lacrosse player and get him into bed.”

    It simply astounds me that these bitches don’t understand so simple as the basic sexual dynamic between men and women. Men want sex more than women and tend to be a lot less discriminating about where it comes from. Indeed, men want sex so badly that they will work for it—a fact that every civilization has exploited since the beginning of human history. Hell, Jacob worked 7 years just to marry Rachel and then when Laban deceived him with Leah, he worked another 7 years to get the younger sister. Fourteen years to fuck!!!!!!

    To get NSA sex from men you don’t need a goddamn blueprint. You don’t need advice from the (yes, illustrious) Roissy commentariat. You don’t need fucking mapquest, a manual or a strategy. All you need to do, is offer pussy and be DTF. End of story.

    That these “women” don’t, apparently, know any of this is really just evidence of how mannish these hos have become. They’ve completely lost touch with a basic attribute of their femininity: their inherent erotic capital. They’ve traded it away for “empowerment”. They are men with tits. They are lost children.

    May God help us all.

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  150. on March 11, 2011 at 12:01 pm Woman from Finland

    demanding = needy

    Alfa isn’t needy, therefore he isn’t demanding. It’s not the physical demands we women detest in men, it’s the emotional demands.

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  151. on March 11, 2011 at 12:14 pm Schmoe

    @Roxborough:
    2 weeks backpack through Europe without girlfriend
    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1918771

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  152. on March 11, 2011 at 12:26 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @RedEmperor,

    I hear you, but I don’t I agree with you on the multiple authors issue. Multi-authorship was alleged here by commenters for a long time before it was only obliquely acknowledged here by the Chateau. The authorship of each post was and still is an open question, creating mystery. Every post has a few people writing –“Bring back Roissy” and/or “Good post, this is the Real Roissy.” Mysteriousness and aloofness are alpha characteristics, so credit the Chateau for walking the talk.

    I agree it would damage the brand if the writing quality weren’t up to par, but the writers contributing here are of high quality and solid game understanding, and are clearly of the same mind on matters of game importance. So I see no brand damage or brand creep here. This site is easily the best on the web on game, and even in the manosphere in general. Contrast to the Spearhead, or even Ferdinand’s redone site–they’re both good sources of information, but the writing quality is not nearly as good as here on the whole.

    Those sites offer author attribution, so we can see who wrote them, but that doesn’t make the writing any better or worse. In fact, attribution makes it easier for readers to automatically form an image of an article based on previous works by an author. It’s a form of experience bias. The blind authorship allows the reader to form an image without preconceived notions, other than knowing the piece is probably going to be good, based on past Chateau experience.

    Bottom line, to all those who ‘need to know who wrote each post’-relax, lose your need to know, let go of authorship control, let yourself be seduced by the mystery of the moment and the magic in each post. Then you’ll know what it’s like for women to be swept up by the torrent of emotion elicited by tight game. Knowing how women feel & understanding their experience is a primary wisdom set in the crimson arts.

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  153. on March 11, 2011 at 12:33 pm Tim

    It’s not the physical demands we women detest in men, it’s the emotional demands.

    Same goes the other way around. If you think men like emotionally demanding women, guess again.

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  154. on March 11, 2011 at 12:52 pm itsme

    dragnet ftw!

    You don’t need fucking mapquest, a manual or a strategy.

    i bet a smartphone app would be a hit among ‘women’ like bond girl, though.

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  155. on March 11, 2011 at 1:44 pm Gorbachev

    @James

    Gorbachev,

    I appreciate your input. Can you give us some sense of what a “semi-comfy 401(k)” comes in at? It would be helpful to me, and probably to others, to have a sort of benchmark of what we need to be aiming for.

    Thank you.

    You missed the point.

    My point was the actual amount didn’t matter. I have no real money. She was used to real money before her family imploded and lost almost every penny. Her social circles have several anchors with real money, and guys who are basically a bunch of playboys who spend stupid amounts of family cash. I’ve got nothing, relatively. I have a mortgage.

    She was just impressed that I’d saved anything. Believe me, if I had 5x the amount of money in my 401k that I do it would mean the same thing. It’s not real money to her people unless you never need to work again and still be able to spend whatever you want. Beyond that, everything else is the same – no money. For fuck’s sake, she went to expensive European private schools before college. My parents raised 4 kids with my father’s salary and some part time work my mother did for a while. We worked through college and saved every damned penny we could.

    Point being: there’s no way I could play the cash game. It’s impossible x10. Even a fancy car would be meaningless – the lifestyle wouldn’t be there to match the wheels. When it comes to cash, there’s no fooling her.

    One thing that worked for me: because of how her family situation specifically worked out, she has some contempt for the moneyed classes who are corrupt or useless. She has more respect for people who actually do shit. And having had some luxuries at some point, she doesn’t really see the pressing need for them. Also, she went to college here. Her friends were just normal College kids, here. It means I’m not obviously a loser because I don’t have 20 million in the bank.

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  156. on March 11, 2011 at 1:46 pm Gorbachev

    @RedEmperor
    (r)evolutionary,

    Gorb is right maybe 70% of the time, so he’s doing better than most. Reckon BondGirl is a hoax though.

    70%? Ingratiating yourself? If true, tell my boss, please.

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  157. on March 11, 2011 at 2:02 pm xsplat

    SV Warrior

    Interesting by-play the other day. I am over at a larg…

    So bored. And? You want a pat on the back for flirting with a younger girl? Or you think it’s somehow unusual and interesting that you did so?

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  158. on March 11, 2011 at 2:07 pm Lupo Leboucher

    Bond girl: “How do I ask about the gf without seeming bunny boiler? ”

    That is the definition of bunny boiler, coming from an ex-anything. One thing nobody thought to ask here: who dumped who? If he kicked you to the curb, your probability of success is low.

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  159. on March 11, 2011 at 2:11 pm Anonymous

    Kneel before Zod, wench!

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  160. on March 11, 2011 at 2:30 pm Anonymous

    And the latest from women on The Frisky:

    “15 Real Reasons We Dumped Him,” The Frisky, 3 Mar 2011,
    http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-15-real-reasons-we-dumped-him/

    Note: “He hit me” or “He porked my sister” are NOT on there.

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  161. on March 11, 2011 at 2:44 pm chi-town

    “About that 5 minutes of alpha worth five years of a beta.”

    This is best translated for men in pictures.

    Every 5 minutes away is precious.

    5 minutes is enough time I think.

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  162. on March 11, 2011 at 2:46 pm Lara

    dragnet,
    Good response to a really dumb question from Bond Girl.

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  163. on March 11, 2011 at 3:09 pm Anonymous

    Bond Girl is really Kay Hymowitz or wants to be.

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  164. on March 11, 2011 at 4:17 pm Anon

    When I first saw Daniel Craig as James Bond I was immediately pissed at the choice. No finesse. I immediately pegged him as a douche bag and he did nothing to change the opinion with his career. He isn’t fit to follow in George Lazenby’s footsteps (who seemed like a Beta trying hard to be an Alpha after Connery).

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  165. on March 11, 2011 at 4:19 pm David Rockefeller

    Trimegistus,

    In an investigation conducted by his political enemies, Clinton lied under oath about a private matter of interest to no one but his wife.

    When the Constitution says “high crimes and misdemeanors” are proper grounds for impeachment, do you think lying to save his marriage constitutes an impeachable offense?

    The impeachment bar has traditionally been set high. One of the counts against Nixon in 1974 was that he was conducting a secret and illegal war against Cambodia.

    Tthe Clinton impeachment circus was nothing more than Republicans using their House majority to attempt overturning the 1996 election. A legislative coup d’etat.

    Which matters a lot more than whining that “Clinton lied.” Yeah, he did. Stop your phony outrage that men lie (and under oath) about what they’re doing with women who are not their wives.

    I’ll bet you’re a lot more reasonable when the dick getting sucked belongs to a Republican. Then it’s none of the public’s business.

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  166. on March 11, 2011 at 4:20 pm Gorbachev

    Daniel Craig was a different bond. Hard like diamond.

    It’s a good Bond.

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  167. on March 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm askjoe

    5 minutes of alpha >> lifetime alone
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365046/Im-love-Bill-Friends-say-Monica-Lewinsky-got-married-kids.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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  168. on March 11, 2011 at 4:47 pm Feh

    Bond Girl

    > either have the balls to sleep with me, or don’t

    News flash: you’re not the only one offering. Maybe he thinks you’re not worth the effort.

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  169. on March 11, 2011 at 5:20 pm Alex

    So if game can mold a woman into total submission, why is marriage risky? It doesn’t seem like O is running to file divorce papers in the story.

    [Editor: Marriage is less risky if you know how to game your wife, but the risk is still more than is acceptable, especially when all the benefits of marriage can be had in an LTR with none of the costs.]

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  170. on March 11, 2011 at 5:21 pm Evil Alpha

    Dragnet,

    The only thing worse than a woman who IS a man with tits, it’s a woman who THINKS she is a man with tits, but ain’t.

    All the worshiping at the feminist altar of androgyny result in fucked up chicks like bond girl. These are the chicks who have been indoctrinated that the only distinction between man and woman is the size of our sex organs… i.e. a penis is larger than a clit.

    Such brainwashed women will routinely, and involuntarily project their girl biology onto the motives and reaction of men, because she believes (however absurdly false) those of males are no different than her own.

    Thus you get stupid questions like “how to initiate NSA?” as if men actually feel the same about NSA as women do. Just last month we were blitzed by a slew of androgynauts rushing to explain away such real gender difference in casual sex. Their big lie… that men and women both seek “pleasure” and thus are the same sexually.

    In other words, “Pleasure” theory is nonsensical. A thesis that a skinny vegan is no different than a fat carnivore because they both eat food makes about as much sense. You can read the stupidity first hand right here.

    http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/02/24/casual_sex/index.html

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  171. on March 11, 2011 at 5:30 pm Grunt

    The problem with the Clinton Investigation is that it wasn’t an issue that was ‘between a man and his wife’. It was as a direct result of an investigation into an alleged sexual assult carried out upon the person of Paula Jones, a former AR employee, among other things.

    The investigation was initiated with the approval of Janet Reno, the then-Attorney General of the United States – hardly a Clinton-hating ideologue.

    Indeed, one part of the investigation, regarding the failed Whitewater land deals implicated Mrs Clinton too, and while one could claim that the investigation was partisan political hackery, it was most certainly not just (or even) about Bill having his cock sucked.

    When people commit perjury (especially when ultimately, they work for us) it should be very, very hard to wave off such behavior as ‘normal and forgivable’.

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  172. on March 11, 2011 at 5:37 pm Trimegistus

    Nice try, Rockefeller. He was testifying under oath in a sexual harassment suit brought by another woman who wasn’t impressed by his corrupt-piece-of-shit game. In that situation, boning a pudgy intern is relevant. And lying is lying.

    But you’re probably still waiting your turn at his dick, so fuck off.

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  173. on March 11, 2011 at 5:42 pm Doug1

    Chateau’s been slacking today, and to an extent this week.

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  174. on March 11, 2011 at 6:12 pm Dan

    Roissy, please nuke this. Preferably from orbit.

    Daniel Craig and Judi Dench feminist drivel

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  175. on March 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm chi-town

    @Evil Alpha

    Bwaaa..

    Look at the photo used as a prop. Who gets pleasure from a moody BW art photo? They just can’t even get out of the gate without screwing this up. One glance tells you its a female audience.

    A male audience get right down to it.

    And this is as conservative as it gets.

    http://www.askmen.com/daily/blogs/women/women-casual-sex.html

    Yet even as much as she is down with the idea, as if she is like a man, she calls it “joyous spontaneity”.

    We call it joyous, carefully plotted, premeditation going back to the first hard on.

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  176. on March 11, 2011 at 6:26 pm aoefe

    @Doug

    Really? I choose this week to pop back in and it’s slacking? Shoot.

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  177. on March 11, 2011 at 7:07 pm The_King

    So true, spit on a girl once accidentally after a fight. It was a huge bloody one.

    She got really pissed, complained to her beta boyfriend all wanted and wanted me to apologize. Did I? No.

    By the next day she was giving me more respect than her beta boyfriend. She even gave me her meds and ice for the wound.

    She would castrate the beta bf he ever did that.

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  178. on March 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm Schmoe

    Here’s the click-through on that “why we dumped him” site:
    http://www.shmittenkitten.com/2011/03/story-time-whats-real-reason-you-dumped.html
    Hundreds of terrible, horrible reasons to dump a guy. He wore (no, just owned) a Devils jersey.

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  179. on March 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm RedEmperor

    Gorb,

    “70%? Ingratiating yourself? If true, tell my boss, please.”

    Your analysis of game is very good, but I disagree totally about politics or questions of ethics etc.

    Still, Game is probably the most important skill in a man’s life, and the one thing worth knowing very well.

    Took me a long time to figure that one out.

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  180. on March 11, 2011 at 8:33 pm Ghet

    @Gorbachev

    I’m relatively new to game, and I indeed have heard of places where foreigners have a laughably easy time getting laid. I plan to go somewhere eventually, probably Asia. I have a couple questions, though.

    -Is there anywhere specific in the continent that you recommend, or does that not even matter?

    -Is language a significant barrier there? I don’t mind having to learn a new language, but I’d like to know which one I need most in advance so I can prepare if need be.

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  181. on March 11, 2011 at 8:37 pm RedEmperor

    (R)Evolutionary,

    Fair point. I read this blog every day, and have done so for a long time. The standard of Game advice is always very good, and I don’t mean to imply otherwise: This blog changed my life: moved me from Omega to Beta, something I never thought possible.

    But read some of the “guaranteed Roissy” posts. Great insights, as before, but also some of the best writing you’d ever see: Like the illegitimate son of some weird union of Christopher Hitchens, Hemingway and Evelyn Waugh.

    Writings that told the truth and crucified the pretty lies that so many of us based our dealings with women on. Writings that made you expect Roissy’s long promised book like a newly-discovered set of Shakespeare plays.

    And it doesn’t seem to be as common as before. But such is the nature of life, I suppose.

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  182. on March 11, 2011 at 9:35 pm Lupo Leboucher

    @Gorb: “Daniel Craig was a different bond. ”

    Generally, you’re a man of wealth and taste, but this is an unforgivable statement. Craig is a vagina, and what he portrays ain’t Bond.

    Contrast;

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  183. on March 11, 2011 at 9:51 pm dragnet

    Actually, I didn’t think Craig was bad as Bond. In fact, I really liked his portrayal. I always though Bond could use a touch more “Jason Bourne” and I really thought Craig pulled it off.

    That said, he’s forever tarnished his image with this latest nonsense. But I’m not really all that shocked. <>

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  184. on March 12, 2011 at 1:01 am Anonymous

    Hey, I’ve got got some REALLY Alpha guys, guranteed, for you dis-satisfied women out there… they’re called Taliban (hope you packed your burqah).

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  185. on March 12, 2011 at 5:33 am xsplat

    RedEmperor

    Writings that told the truth and crucified the pretty lies that so many of us based our dealings with women on. Writings that made you expect Roissy’s long promised book like a newly-discovered set of Shakespeare plays.

    And it doesn’t seem to be as common as before

    It’s possible that living a more domesticated life of being monogamously involved with one partner has lowered his testosterone, thus lowering creative impulses and dampening that fire in the brain that accompanies the fire in the loins.

    That, and the guest posts.

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  186. on March 12, 2011 at 12:20 pm When you make demands of her, she feels more feminine, more like a woman « Becoming Alpha

    […] She Wants You To Help Her Be Less Independent […]

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  187. on March 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm Gorbachev

    @Ghet

    @Gorbachev

    I’m relatively new to game, and I indeed have heard of places where foreigners have a laughably easy time getting laid. I plan to go somewhere eventually, probably Asia. I have a couple questions, though.

    I say Asia because that’s what I did. I also suggest Europe, but it’s a different game there. French women are great generally. Gemans are loose. If you’re going to learn the local language, do it good – the average educated European speaks 2-3 languages and has a working knowledge of a few more. An American who speaks Spanish is considered talented. An educated European who only speaks 3 languages is a bit of a loser.


    -Is there anywhere specific in the continent that you recommend, or does that not even matter?

    Korea for the hottest girls.

    China for the most opportunity (generally with everything), as well as the most troubled. There, it can be hard to tell the whores from girls who step out. They’re often the same. No hard social rules. Everything is up for grabs. Watch your back.

    Japan: already explored to death over the last 40 years. Easy women, hard to connect with them, weird sex culture but goes over well with foreigners. Most men there love it.

    Is language a significant barrier there? I don’t mind having to learn a new language, but I’d like to know which one I need most in advance so I can prepare if need be.

    I say learn Chinese and stick to China. China is huge. Don’t like Shanghai? Beijing. Don’t like Beijing? Nanjing. Don’t like Nanjing? Tap the rich guys’ mistresses in Shenzhen. In China, all things are possible and life has no inherent value. The Chinese treat each other like garbage; they cheat, tool, abuse and steal from each other without guilt or conscience. It means that socially, you can get away with almost anything and still avoid social culpability for faux pas and mistakes. Korea, this is not true. Making mistakes will damage you.

    There are clubs in China where hot 20-somethings go for the *sole purpose* of meeting some guy to have sex with. These aren’t the hos. There are whores, too. Lots of rural girls are still conservative; give them a month in a city and they’re riding on the back of a motorcycle with some tough guy and debating which alternate lover has the biggest dick.

    China is truly eye-opening. It’s hard not to get sucked into the place. Most foreigners who go there never want to leave. The scope for work, business, contacts, wealth, romance, sex, anything you seek here are so much more vast for you in China, where human life has no value of any kind and social rules are under full-scale assault, that it’s hard not to stay.

    I know foreigners who hung out in China and would find every possibler excuse to get sent there, even taking pay cuts and transferring to different cities.

    China is Chaos. And in Chaos, there are some guys who make out like bandits.

    Never talk to the Chinese about this, because they’re reflexively paranoid about anyone saying anything bad about China. They have a long-standing mistrust of foreigners. The Chinese have a whole range of subjects they’re not supposed to talk about, and they don’t – even with each other. But the face they show you has to be Happy and Positive and We’re All Good. This is reflected in the news. In China, *bad* news is bad, *good* news (stuff that won’t get into papers here) is Normal. The sky is blue! It’s all good!

    This is the Chinese attitude. Don’t talk about it and it’s not true. Make truth by speaking it. Sound like lefty activists over here?

    That’s the kind of country they create. Where words are just masks to make New Truth.

    Journalism be damned.

    Anyway, the real truth is this:

    The crisis in confidence, social cohesion and morality in China is catastrophic. It’s beyond calculation. You can live there for a year and not begin to be able to tabulate it. An army of journalists could, if given freedom, be worked to death reporting on just the worst excesses in China. Normal life would be the next target, and there’s no end of shit to report in normal life.

    Foreign-born Chinese who go there often travel with selectively censoring glasses. The elite in China only see what they like. The Chinese are better at this than anyone else. If you go there, bring open eyes. Don’t pre-judge. But make sure you believe things when you SEE them.

    You can see thousands of empty apartment buildings and not need to see stats to see how overheated the economy is, it’s just a house of cards waiting to collapse; China-boosters can travel the same roads and just see busy people and new construction. They selectively read the already-cooked stats the PRC publishes. The country is on the teetering edge of social, political economic and demographic catastrophes that will dwarfproblems in any other country at any time in history.

    When the banking system there is forced to readjust, it will be hundreds of millions that take to the streets. Not thousands, or tens of thousands. When unemployment goes up by two points, fifty million people lose jobs. Population

    When young girls marry for money and then fuck around openly, it’s not a tiny class of girls in Shanghai, it’s 60 million married 26 year-old women debating which dick they’re going to service, their boring husband’s or that ne’er do-well who works next door.

    When a social trend starts, it rocks the entire country within weeks.

    China went from *more* conservative (sexually) than the US or Europe 25 years ago to much more liberal and loose in just one generation. You measure generations there in 5-year-increments, because each generation is essentially a new cohort with nothing in common with the one above them.

    China is change. I went to Korea for work reasons, and it worked out great for me. But even to me, it was obvious, China was the place to be for a young guy with game.

    There’s no end of hot women, few fat women, some you could marry, some you “date”, some just want to experiment with you, and a few that marry you want to you make them rich and want to make you rich and let’s all get rich together. Tons of jobs,

    Stow your ethics, but don’t worry – you soon realize that in a society corrupt on every possible level, where Marxism and Communism has sucked the ethical bone right out of every person’s ass, –

    Ethics become a liability or a tactic, and not a virtue.

    This is modern China. The communists have obliterated anything conventionally Chinese about the place. Taiwan still preserves some traces of the China that so many Europeans and Americans admired 100 years ago, stalwart, ethical, stolid, peaceful; China has none of it. Abusive, freewheeling, socially mobile, whorish, ugly, corrupt to the very core, etc.

    They’re created a situation where society is literally flying apart. Nobody is really willing to talk about it, but the proof is in this:

    You can buy anything there. Want to rape little girls or boys? Believe me, there’s some Communist party official in league with cops and maybe even a social worker or two who will arrange it for you. Want to get custom-ordered organs for transplant? Don’t worry, there are clandestine organizations tacitly endorsed by the People’s Government that keep political prisoners, healthy, non-smoking, disease-free political prisoners, on hand for you, so you can get that fresh liver you need when you need it. Executions on at your convenience.

    Need some land? Don’t worry, there are local officials you can bribe to sell you communal property, and if the locals who’ve been living there for three generations cause problems, the Communist officials will hire local Mafia gangs to go and beat old people to death just for you.

    And they’ll tell you they did it and they’ll smile.

    Young girls sell their virginity a dozen times over while their parents are oblivious. Village girls go to the city and within a month are living lives that would give their grandparents heart attacks.

    Wandering mobs of unemployed workers, who haven’t been paid for the last construction jobs they worked on, form de-facto rape gangs. You think these rapes ever get reported to the cops? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, it is to laugh.

    Petty crime more or less standard. Some of the petty crime is done by cops.

    The Army has been implicated in the rapid spread of drugs and human trafficking in China. Women sold into *actual* slavery, as in semi-officially recognized by local authorities (“what I don’t see didn’t happen, where’s my payoff?”), men working for 10% of minimum wages, …

    When the PLA is the biggest and most efficient drug courier in China, with trucks that local cops can’t inspect and officials who can carry packages in hand without being challenged, making drops to convenient Communist officials, then you know–

    there’s no band-aid that’s going to fix this place. It’s fucking chaos.

    I had a unique perspective. I saw the foreigners in their hermetically-sealed little Love China boxes and the elite Chinese who can’t tell you what happens beyond the borders of their sterile little neighborhoods. I also saw the rest of the country.

    I saw cops beat the living shit out of Tibetans for looking at them sideways. I’ve hear blood-curdling stories of abuse, officials raping the daughters of (insert victim here), officials with harems of half a dozen 19-year-old hotties all living off the local Medical System funds while babies die for lack of medical treatment, I’ve seen villages of AIDS victims, segregated and denied basic medical care, I’ve seen disabled Chinese kids abandoned by society in makeshift institutions that remind me of pictures of Romania under Ceaucescu, …

    And I’ve seen more ambition, brass balls and gumption than anywhere in the world. The elite in Shanghai want to conquer the Earth, now that they’ve made servants and slaves of their fellow Chinese.

    Believe me. They’re capable of it.

    But upshot: For game, it’s great.

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  188. on March 12, 2011 at 1:56 pm Gorbachev

    @Lupo,

    Daniel Craig may be a mangina in real life, but some of his Bond moments were sweet.

    Just sayin’.

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  189. on March 12, 2011 at 4:42 pm Naswanji

    Gorbachev,

    You should write a blog about your China exploits. Or better yet, a book. I would buy it.

    I never had any interest in going to China until I read what you just wrote.

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  190. on March 12, 2011 at 5:09 pm Gorbachev

    @Naswanji
    Gorbachev,

    You should write a blog about your China exploits. Or better yet, a book. I would buy it.

    I never had any interest in going to China until I read what you just wrote.

    People don’t believe it or live in their conventional little brains when they get there.

    See China for what is really is: A chaotic free-for-all where the only metric of any value is power and all virtue is debauched.

    Don’t listen to a single word any Chinese guy tells you. The only way to see this is to go there and get around the country.

    In a very real sense, the entire place is a plantation for personal gratification run by elite nobs with not the tiniest sense of moral or civic obligation. It’s the same no matter how low you go on the totem pole.

    This is the result of “communism” and left-wing utopias.

    No capitalist society in the history of the world has been so morally or socially bankrupt as modern China.

    Interestingly, like the Leftists in the West int he 1920’s who worshipped the Soviet Union, and then were forced to abandon it as it became clear it was a fascist nightmare police state of casual brutality, Chins, the darling of the Left until the 1980’s, has been abandoned.

    China’s brand of Leftist politics shows what the result of Leftist, statist totalitarianism is, the result of leftist / statist movements that give governments ethical power over people.

    The ultimate chaos in China wasn’t due to capitalist reforms. They’re think enough on the ground. It’s due to the ethical vacuum that moral relativism and the break with traditional Chinese mores brought about.

    The Left here didn’t know what to make of China. As China lurches further and further into this blighted future it’s facing, more and more leftists are saying Western values have corrupted it.

    In fact, it’s the opposite. The root source of the decay is the rigid and forceful application of leftist mores. The inevitable and predictable result has been this disaster.

    That said, Chinese people are great. And Chinese women make fantastic lovers. A small group make great wives, too.

    They tend to be smart, many are quite classy (though with that peasanty-attitude thing that strikes from time to time; classy girl dressed to the nines who suddenly leans over and spits on the ground? Yeah. Farts? No. Chews with her mouth open? Yes. It’s a different world, no rules, get used to it), stress brains and smarts and ambition but don’t sabotage their men (ie, they let them get rich without bitching “You don’t do the housework blah blah blah”), etc.

    So go and enjoy. Good idea.

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  192. on March 13, 2011 at 6:48 pm Pat

    Do you think a normal, young, cute woman wants to be assertive? To take charge? To lead? To make the decisions? Of course not!

    Jeez! This post was illuminating!! I just realized I don’t want these things myself, I just wasn’t conscious about it. In fact, I’ve always hated having to make decisions, having to lead, or being in charge. I do it, when I really have to, but I hate it nonetheless.

    Men can’t comprehend why women respond so positively to dominating men. The typical man will bristle and his muscles will tense when another man attempts to assert his dominance over him.

    And I was never able to comprehend this unneeded “bristling” among men. When I see it happen, I just stare at them with a look of disbelief on my face. I guess my brain doesn’t produce the emotions that power such displays.

    Surrender is victory. Slavery is freedom. Submission is power. If you do not understand what I’m talking about…

    Au contraire, I understand perfectly. This post has opened up all ways of understanding to me. Now, the only problem left is that my name is not Pat, I don’t usually say Jeez and I don’t have a vagina. The reason it’s a problem is because I’m still attracted to them, I lust for them, at the same time hating their submissiveness and the speed at which they reject me.

    I really don’t know where that puts me. I’ll have to figure out by myself how to meet my affective needs without a cock other than mine in the relationship. Maybe I’ll write it off and just get a dog.

    This is as good an explanaion as any for the mere existence of the mass of bumbling betas.

    The mass is made of people like me. Thanks to the Chateau, these concepts have been slowly surfacing to my conscious mind. I can now say with certainty that I notice these same tracts of mine in most guys I know, or at least most guys I’m friends with.

    I cannot fathom the reason why the number of us “crippled males”—as I now see it—would steadily increase, as it’s been doing for decades, or why the “dominant gene” would be dwindling. Maybe it’s entirely social, a butterfly effect from something Julius Caesar said over goat milk 2000 years ago; maybe it’s entirely biological, an effect of the metric tons of growth hormones given to cattle in the past 100 years; or maybe it’s both.

    What I do see is that it’s been changing the social landscape of our species and that change is accelerating. It’s only a matter of time before we see the effects on a large scale. Japan is already seeing it, or at least they were before the recent distractions. Prepare the popcorn, maybe this is what 2012 will be about.

    Now, about that dog…

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  193. on March 13, 2011 at 7:33 pm Jen

    In my observations, I would say if you’re a foreigner with Asian fetish then go to China. Girls like white boys as a status symbol. Very easy.

    If you want a girl you have things in common with…communicate on a more in depth level with or have do everything for you, way to go – Far East.

    If you like sassy women who are more cultured, wiser about life with more ‘joie de vivre’ – European.

    Depends on your personality and what you want.

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  194. on March 14, 2011 at 12:29 pm Firepower

    Jen

    In my observations, I would say if you’re a foreigner with Asian fetish then go to China.

    no thanks doll. i’ll stick to gorby’s mom’s house. It’s easier…and cheaper.

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  195. on March 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm Scope

    This post is the real world example of what Roissy is speaking of…

    http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-how-to-ask-a-girl-out-on-a-damn-date/

    This entire post is about her wanting to be led and told what to do…

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  196. on March 14, 2011 at 9:22 pm Doug1

    Gorb–

    You can see thousands of empty apartment buildings and not need to see stats to see how overheated the economy is, it’s just a house of cards waiting to collapse;

    Yes. But there’s very little mortgage debt involved in the great majority of cases. So individuals net worth and hence spending can go down with this bubble collapses as it will, I agree. And probably pretty soon. However systemic problems of financial collapse and necessary bailouts won’t be there from this source. Huge state controlled banking loans to failing state owned old industrial enterprises, which employ tons of Chinese and often connected ones, are another matter.

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  197. on March 14, 2011 at 10:06 pm driveallnight

    @Ghet:

    I spend several months per year in Asia. Gorb’s observations re: Japanese and Korean women are well received by me, but for absolute rockstar status?

    Spend time in the Philippines. They love Americans above all other nationalities, and the women are always ultra-feminine and often flat-out gorgeous. And as the man, they want, need and expect you to call the shots and run the show. So oblige them!

    Taking a trip to the mall? As a non-fat white guy, be ready to get “the look” from 1/3 to 1/2 of the girls you interact with. Seriously, it’s like being cast in a porno. Especially outside of the larger cities.

    I touch down at MNL in about three weeks, gonna spend all of April with warm blue water and hot brown girls.

    Shit. I’m pushing a chub now, three weeks early.

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  199. on March 24, 2011 at 8:37 pm d

    Liz Taylor is dead.

    She called Richard Burton the “love of her life” …..why

    Burton stated that the notion that his wife is “the most beautiful woman in the world” nonsense”. “She has wonderful eyes”, he added, “but she has a double chin and an overdeveloped chest, and she’s rather short in the leg”

    So, Burton was a natural alpha who understood the power of the neg.

    To her death she’s still moist for him.

    Chicks dig jerks

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