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Why Is The FDA Moving To Ban You From Freely Accessing Your Genomic Data?

March 11, 2011 by CH

An FDA official has been caught on video in a lie under oath making claims about the research being done by genetic testing companies. The FDA is seeking to institute onerous regulations that would ban you from accessing your OWN genetic information without a doctor’s authorization, based on some flimsy justification that the data constitute a “medical device”. This is, in a word, tyrannical.

Any lover of liberty should be appalled by this move by the FDA. They — and make no mistake, the FDA poobahs are firmly entrenched members of the ruling elite; true Phase III overlords — are trying to restrict your access to your genetic profile. Want to know what your genes say? Too bad, you now need a doctor’s say-so before you can see that information. Want to know if that kid is yours? Not until a doc signs off on the testing, which, unsurprisingly, could take quite a long time after the red tape is disentangled and the lawyers have been paid.

Why is the FDA attempting this run-around basic human liberties? A few explanations jump to mind.

  1. It’s the smell of money. The FDA wants to hold onto its power as reviewer and arbiter of medical information. Cheap and easy genetic testing by startup companies threatens their stranglehold over the industry, and over your right to know your own goddamned genetic profile.
  2. Paternity testing is going to be big business, and the FDA and docs want in on it. As Bill said in a comment over at Steve Sailer’s site, “It’s a backdoor attempt to squeeze more money out of family law/child support issues. If any guy could send in a cheek swab of himself and his putative child to ascertain paternity in an open market, why, that’s hundreds of millions of dollars per year that would otherwise be handled by “qualified medical professional[s]” who would be assured a steady stream of court-ordered tests.”
  3. The feminists are grumbling, and that’s all the excuse the power-hungry FDA needs to restrict access to one’s genetic information. As predicted right here at the Chateau, a feminist utopia is one in which quick and easy paternity testing is banned or made difficult to acquire. It’s happening right before our eyes.
  4. The government (and this includes the FDA) is deathly afraid of what we all might find out by our sequenced genomes. Oh, it’s not the release of any one individual’s genome that bothers them; it’s the… ahem… impolite patterns and interpretations that can be discerned from the open knowledge of millions of sequenced genomes. The implications of this should be obvious to anyone who understands the fear that motivates the deceitful actions of the tabula rasa crowd.

Email this guy Shuren at jeff.shuren@fda.hhs.gov, the lead actor behind this push by the FDA to stifle knowledge. Tell him what you think of corrupt, lying bastards who try to suppress truth with the levers of the government.

You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.

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  1. on March 11, 2011 at 9:23 pm mschro

    if i can take my dog to get a genomic test to find out what kind of mutt she is i’m pretty sure humans should easily be able to find out what kind of mutt they are too. that’s some bullshit right there 😡

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  2. on March 11, 2011 at 9:49 pm The Shocker

    Love you Roissy, but I’m calling you on your BS. Leave the wing-nuttery to the wingnuts.

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  3. on March 11, 2011 at 9:52 pm Bob

    I won’t believe this is a feminist-influenced initiative until I see women getting easier access to their genetic info than men.

    Of course, that’ll probably happen pretty quickly. Such information will be useful for women seeking to understand the health of their children. Anything “for the children,” after all. This exception will, of course, not be made for fathers, single or otherwise.

    I’m also annoyed at how obtusely the FDA is approaching this nonsense. They could neatly avoid the moral/legal issue of whether a person has a right ot know their DNA by strictly regulating the means of testing it, rather than by requiring doctors as middlemen. It’s like they’re not even trying anymore.

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  4. on March 11, 2011 at 9:59 pm anonymouses anonymous

    I worked at the FDA for several years. The higher up may have nafarious plans, the more they control, the more money they get from the IRS.

    The truth is, the place is an insane asylum. Thousands of people who have no idea what the hell they are doing. Their attitude is to restrict first and release slowly so that they do not screw up and get blamed for a mistake.

    They are statists who like getting a paycheck for doing as little as possible. If they release the control, they have less responsibility and they fear that will mean they will be let go when the budgets get cut.

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  5. on March 11, 2011 at 10:00 pm Redders

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them”

    When?

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  6. on March 11, 2011 at 10:17 pm Exeter

    Bob:

    The truth is, the place is an insane asylum. Thousands of people who have no idea what the hell they are doing. They are statists who like getting a paycheck for doing as little as possible.

    An apt description for just about every government bureaucracy.

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  7. on March 11, 2011 at 10:19 pm George

    “The truth is, the place is an insane asylum. Thousands of people who have no idea what the hell they are doing.”

    This seems to be true of a lot of governmental agencies. I once did temp work for a few months at the Health Care Finance Agency as well as GSFC-NASA and both those places were filled with people who either did little to no work or were incompetent or both. Only a few people actually did any of the work that got done.

    One day I’d like to read the history book of how the hell things got this bad.

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  8. on March 11, 2011 at 10:20 pm Johnycomelately

    Shocker

    Go fuck yourserlf.

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  9. on March 11, 2011 at 10:44 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    US Military also working to teach our boys game:

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/nerds-no-more-darpa-trains-troops-to-be-popular/

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  10. on March 11, 2011 at 10:47 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Anyone who hasn’t seen “Fat-head” should see it for free on Hulu. This documentary will explain why there are so many fat people and who is to blame. It also debunks “Supersize Me” because the guy in that ate 5k calories a day.

    The production value is low but stick with it. The government has been fucking us in many different ways for a long time.

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  11. on March 11, 2011 at 10:49 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    I should also add that personal responsibility is a big part of that blame so it isn’t some kooky conspiratorial movie.

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  12. on March 11, 2011 at 11:14 pm ChooChoo5000

    That’s some scary shit.

    A few questions:
    1 – What is the science behind a paternity test? It doesn’t seem like paternity testing would be a terribly difficult procedure to perform, anyone could setup guidelines.
    2 – How would I setup such a company?
    3 – Where would the best place be? I don’t want the Fem-Nazis and their acolytes to go nuts and try to regulate me to Chapter 11. Mexico? Japan?

    I figured I could do most of this stuff over international mail.
    4 – Say I want to marry a woman. I really want to make sure that the kids that she gives birth to are indeed my own. Do I tell her upfront that, look, this is extremely important to me, I want to test my kids to be 100% certain that I’m the dad? Or do I do it behind her back when she least expects it?

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  13. on March 11, 2011 at 11:32 pm Rant Casey - BR

    You will find out whether your kids are yours.

    And even worse for Centralist Federal Business, you’ll find out that race do exist, and where your loyalty should be at.

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  14. on March 11, 2011 at 11:35 pm whiskey

    Feminists are big-time with Obama, they got him to change his infrastructure spending plans to deep-six blue collar White males and put in stupid education/welfare stuff.

    So this is mostly about destroying cheap/easy paternity to create a feminist utopia — screw and have kids with bad boys, bill the Beta males.

    And yeah, also about race and keeping that quiet.

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  15. on March 11, 2011 at 11:58 pm Anna

    This might be one of the most important things Roissy has ever posted on.

    The widespread availability of personal genome sequences is the single best way to blow the doors off the prevailing environmental determinist mindset.

    The guys who are banning it are not even smart enough to think that far ahead. They are basically motivated by this ridiculous paternalistic concept that people will throw themselves off a bridge if they see their own genome sequence with a doctor being present.

    But precedents are being set right now, and if the FDA can gain the power to block you from getting a genome sequence without a prescription from your doctor, they will also shut down the possibility of distributed HBD research.

    Jeffrey Shuren (jeff.shuren@fda.hhs.gov) is the lead figure in this conspiracy and must be forced to resign.

    If you think HBD and Game is important, email every right-of-center or libertarian reporter/editorialist you know with the Youtube link and Shuren’s email. In the current climate we can get some Republicans to actually step up to the plate, cut the FDA’s budget, and fire Shuren.

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  16. on March 12, 2011 at 12:10 am John Rambo

    BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN
    Why American men should boycott American women

    http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

    I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

    BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

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  17. on March 12, 2011 at 12:12 am Southern Man

    The State fears all that it does not control and regulate; thus, it attempts to control and regulate everything. Why are you surprised at this? A government that mandates the amount of water your toilet uses and the kind of light bulb you can buy is not going to let you keep your DNA.

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  18. on March 12, 2011 at 12:43 am The Specimen

    I don’t know the FDA’s rationale for restricting this info, so I can’t comment on that, but this I will say. Your genotype is, at this point in time, a big scramble of useless information. Nobody really knows which genes are responsible for what.

    For the longest, people thought that those big evo-bio population genetics studies were going to unlock all kinds of secrets, but that hasn’t happened. What they’ve found is that they can associate a bunch of genes with certain traits, but the associations are weak and correlation does not equal causation. Also, we have little to no understanding of how enviornmental inputs/stresses affect gene expresssion. Systems bio aims to find ways to go about mechanistically characterizing important complex genetic systems, but the science is still in it’s infancy.

    In terms of people being worried about political correctness: Nobody gives a fuck. Research efforts are focused on finding new methods of disease diagnosis and treatment. You know, shit that people can make money off of. From the quantitative bio/computational genetics labs standpoint, it’s cheap drug discovery and personalized medicine/pharmacogenetics. If somebody wants to spend their time trying to prove that they’re the master race, more power to them. I, on the other hand, would rather make money. And who knows, I just might give them a job after I file my patent application.

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  19. on March 12, 2011 at 1:15 am Ash

    Would this actually affect paternity testing?
    From what I remember of first year Biochemistry, DNA testing doesn’t actually involve sequencing and recording information about specific genes or anythng.

    Rather it’s done applying an enzygm that will break DNA at certain sites, and since the remaining fragments are charged, then applying an electric current to make the fragments move across agar gell.
    Larger fragments don’t go as far, smaller fragments go further, the resulting pattern is similar when you’re dealing with relatives because they’ll share some of the same breaks and thus have similar fragment sizes.

    This sort of thing doesn’t actually involve sequencing so I’m not sure if it’d be affected.

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  20. on March 12, 2011 at 1:27 am Rum

    I am in a position to know. About this issue. The Feds are bluffing. The notion of controlling Genetic Testing is even more lame and futile than drug abolitionism. Because it can be done anywhere and very cheaply.
    Be all that as it may, genetic testing is not yet ready for prime time. The DNA-testing meisters are also some just guys who are bluffing. At least for now.

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  21. on March 12, 2011 at 1:49 am Dorset Naga

    The problem with most of you fags is you think the problem is liberals when the problem is both conservative and liberals. The FDA has both parties in its mouth.

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  22. on March 12, 2011 at 2:09 am Fisto

    Liberty – The freedom to act, also the freedom to be left alone by the gov’t.

    I’ve heard it said before on this blog that Libertarians are “myopic”.

    I don’t get it. I think it’s exactly the opposite. Laws that uphold “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” are the only laws that are needed.

    Everything else is control or worse.

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  23. on March 12, 2011 at 2:14 am j

    Maybe the Government IS protecting the people’s interests. Just as IQ testing by employers is forbidden because it would harm the chances of the unfavored majority, freely available genotype testing would even be more negative for the vast majority of humanity, who are genetically “beta”, “gamma” or “omega”.

    Regarding paternity testing, it has been commercially available during the last 25 years, and it has caused little social trouble. In my country, paternity tests are irrelevant in family courts, and the ruling criterion is “what is the best for the child”. Habitually the luckless man cought in the judicial net – if he is a working salary slave – is condemned to pay till the child is independent and selfsustaining (could be 30 years!).

    I think the majority’s interest is to obfuscate his or her identity, and the US is the country where one’s identity can most easily be hidden, as there is no identity document at all. In other countries where there is an identity document, such as in Europe, it contains the minimum of personal data. Things like race, religion, ethnic identity are strictly forbidden to be registered or even to be asked.

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  24. on March 12, 2011 at 2:24 am Southern Man

    Fisto said:

    I’ve heard it said before on this blog that Libertarians are “myopic”.My experience with libertarians is that they aren’t myopic so much as they tend to be naive. The Libs have a lot of good ideas and I’m glad to see some of them in the mainstream, but some of their major planks couldn’t survive a good high school debate.

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  25. on March 12, 2011 at 2:25 am Southern Man

    Damn, forgot to close the blockquote. Should have read:

    Fisto said:

    I’ve heard it said before on this blog that Libertarians are “myopic”.

    My experience with libertarians is that they aren’t myopic so much as they tend to be naive. The Libs have a lot of good ideas and I’m glad to see some of them in the mainstream, but some of their major planks couldn’t survive a good high school debate.

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  26. on March 12, 2011 at 3:05 am Ryu

    What interesting behavior, Roissy.

    I have observed that you always look out for number one, and screw everyone else. “…Because I know what the score is.”

    I thoroughly believe that this is your moral code. Now, I am supposed to buy your concern for “liberty” and “justice” for the rest of mankind is legitimate, most of whom are betas?

    This is an experiment. You are testing and vivisecting your readership, to determine who has really understood your message.

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  27. on March 12, 2011 at 5:41 am Why Is The FDA Moving To Ban You From Freely Accessing Your … | U.S. Justice Talk

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  28. on March 12, 2011 at 5:43 am Nutz

    Off topic:

    UNLIKE Tiger and others public figures, Charlie Sheen is GAINING sponsors like a madman for his online rants and twitter page. You know why? Unlike buckling and being a pussy as others have in the past, this guy is owning the fucking hell out of his alpha cred and being one of the worlds true uberalphas.

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  29. on March 12, 2011 at 5:55 am Jerry

    @Dorset Naga

    Half the people here know the Republican Party has been and probably still is in the hands of feminists and other collectivists. This includes the host but I would admit that he hasn’t yet gotten seriously into the mode of trying to influence the 2012 Republican nomination.

    Which he can do. This post has been seen by approximately 1200 people already (extrapolated from the number of comments).

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  30. on March 12, 2011 at 6:03 am Jerry

    @Ryu

    You were unclear in your criticism of the post.

    Are you saying that an Alpha wouldn’t want Beta husbands to be able to determine that they were cuckolded?

    If that is what you were trying to say, I agree with what you wrote.

    But you weren’t clear.

    DNA testing has hurt the options for alphas precisely because it:

    1) Will cause fewer married women to try to get alpha genes for new babies while remaining with their beta provider. The beta provider can now deny his responsibility and finger the alpha and divorce the woman when she might not be ready to divorce him.

    2) Would severely jeopardize an alpha’s finances if he were to get anyone pregnant and she uses the state, even across international borders, to force him to take a paternity test.

    From what I understand, the entire EU can force a man to take a paternity test (DNA test) regardless of what country he ran off to.

    That is good for betas, not alphas.

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  31. on March 12, 2011 at 7:26 am intp

    All institutions regress to corruption. Every single one. Governments especially. When men walk away from institutions the whole rotten structure will collapse.

    Men can exist, quite nicely, through free association and free trade. Temporary alliances formed, when needed, then dissolved (before the ‘temporary’ alliance grows roots and stagnates into, yet, another corrupt institution).

    The universal diffusion of all weapons technology will prevent one man from forcefully dominating another. An unfortunate craving hardwired into man.

    Reputation and ostracism will dispense justice. If a man is known as a liar and a thief all will refuse association with him. Either he pays restitution or he will perish due to social banishment.

    The FDAs of the world will whither and die.

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  32. on March 12, 2011 at 7:31 am CH

    Say I want to marry a woman. I really want to make sure that the kids that she gives birth to are indeed my own. Do I tell her upfront that, look, this is extremely important to me, I want to test my kids to be 100% certain that I’m the dad? Or do I do it behind her back when she least expects it?

    My suggestion is to obliquely plant the fear in her mind well before the child-making begins.

    “Have you heard of these dna art pieces? It would be so cool to see your family tree on your walls and see what parts of the DNA sequence your kids got from which parent.”

    “Jack and Jill are having a kid, huh? Poor guy. He should probably have it tested to make sure it’s his.”

    “Did you know that 1 in 5 kids are not the ostensible father’s? I wonder what will happen when DNA testing becomes common place. I’ll bet a lot of men will start doing it.”

    Seemingly harmless chatter that lets a woman know that you understand and are wary of her base nature instills her with fear and respect. And communicating it to her in her own language (that of implications rather than direct logic) gives it extra power.

    I suspect cuckoldry is much more common after the first kid, since it’s much more difficult for the father to leave once he’s invested in the first kid. So more important than telling her you’ll screen for bastard spawn is making a credible threat that you’ll take off if you discover it.

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  33. on March 12, 2011 at 8:28 am VikingManx

    This isnt an “alpha” or “beta” thing, fellows.

    They do not want white people to find out that they are 95-to-100 percent European in genetic structure.

    People then might ask, “what is the difference in genetics from various continents anyway? I thought everyone was exactly the same?”

    Next step: the Glorious Revolution, lamp-posts and last-rites.

    This is why the FDA is freaking the fuck out.

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  34. on March 12, 2011 at 8:50 am Jerry

    @Viking

    Yes, that was a major point in the post. This would destroy the “everyone is the same” mentality.

    I’m wondering if there’s anything else they’re hiding that we don’t know yet.

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  35. on March 12, 2011 at 8:57 am Jerry

    Wait. I’m sorry but who the fuck decided to put a nuclear power plant on the coast on a nuclear fault line in the Pacific Ring of Fire?

    Who then found the smarts to make it 10 times more powerful than Chernobyl but have the cooling system on the flood plain ready to be destroyed by a tsunami wave and a backup operated by a battery that operates only about 30 hours?

    Some reports say its going to blow when the battery runs out. WTF?

    How much time did the Japanese government spend making sure its people would be safe in the obvious event of an Earthquake, which can’t even be described as a black swan event?

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  36. on March 12, 2011 at 9:00 am Jerry

    Never trust a government to do anything in your interest.

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  37. on March 12, 2011 at 9:20 am CH

    In a natural disaster, everyone’s time preferences rise. I’ll bet Japan would be awesome for plundering pussy right now.

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  38. on March 12, 2011 at 10:40 am Jerry

    @CH

    My thoughts exactly. Plus a guy could help. But don’t be making any travel plans until you hear if the reactor is going to blow or not.

    Godzilla couldn’t have killed as many people as this thing did. They haven’t even begun to count the dead. 😦

    @Nutz

    Exactly. Sheen is earning respect for not apologizing.

    I hope celebrities and future agents/PR people learn the wisdom of what you just said.

    Tiger and Bill Clinton etc earned disrespect by not owning what they did but, instead, groveling before the fems and social conservatives as if they did something they, themselves, felt was wrong.

    Or lying about it instead of saying “it’s none of your business” to others.

    Before Sheen, the PR idiots would have said that apologizing for something = owning it. But the public knows that is BS.

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  39. on March 12, 2011 at 10:42 am Bernard Brandt

    Dear Chateau:

    Thank you for this article. I read it, and listened to the connected video clip.

    For me, the money quote was when the FDA puke admitted that the reason for the regulations was “to protect the public from itself.”

    Excuse me? I pledge my allegiance to the United States, and to the republic for which it stands, not some freaking nanny state which tries to ‘protect’ me from myself.

    The difference between you, Chateau, and some of your commentors, is that a man will warn others of any danger. Other men will thank him for the warning.

    The rest of you betas, gammas and omegas can go back to your video games and pointless lives now.

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  40. on March 12, 2011 at 10:43 am Cyning

    This has put me in a militant mood. I guess I’d better save for that Y-DNA analysis kit I’ve been planning to get to see if I’m Celt/Saxon/Viking or whatever before the blank slate soft totalitarian faggotry takes total control over the UK.

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  41. on March 12, 2011 at 10:54 am Thor

    This shows the underlying power hunger, as you say.

    On the specifics.

    1) As you say.

    2) There is a split here. Yes, paternity testing is already
    here (you need to screen only a small part of DNA for that,
    such as the Histo(in)compatibility complex genes,
    what nature uses instead of social security numbers to
    track who is who – and confound microbes).

    Cheap (about USD 100) tests are already available. If they
    are outlawed they will move off the US. The catch is, this
    makes it possible for the putative father to know the truth
    in his own mind, but it has no weight in court, for the
    perfectly good reason that there is no provable chain
    of custody for the swaba – the court does not know
    who was swabbed.

    But still, once the putative father knows the truth,
    if he is not the father, he is far more likely
    to pursue the issue if he KNOWS he is not.

    3) Indeed. Se 2)

    4) Tabula rasa, hah. The politically correct opinion
    is contradictory even on its own terms (as well as, obviously out of touch with reality), as it asserts
    both that human nature is infinitely malleable,
    and given the right upbringing everybody will
    become the new Soviet man/woman, and that vast resources should be spent on “special needs” children.

    Then they blather about the country’s future.
    Anyone who is REALLY concerned with the country’s
    future and want to improve it through
    education should reasonably consider:

    a) Getting rid of the kids who are dead weight, or at
    a minimum, those who are disruptive. Send them home.
    This will cause much push-back, as the high school
    has doubled as a detention camp. I have personal
    experience of this, I got fired as a teacher’s substitute
    from a junior high (in Sweden) by the principal. We had
    a little discussion, and according to him one of my
    transgressions was kicking disruptive kids out into the corridor, his argument “that’s when property damage
    happens”. (Note the cowardly passive voice construction.)
    I asked him if he was running a school or a detention
    camp. He turned blue. Seriously, I wouldn’t have believed
    it. Never seen before or since.

    b) Separating out high school into a “trades” track and an
    academic track. There should be no stigma here; when
    your pipes freeze in the middle of the night, you need
    a f….n plumber, not a political scientist.

    c) Care an nurturing of the truly smart kids, on a sliding
    scale, the top 10%, the top 1% ….. -those are the ones
    who will make the inventions and start the industries a
    generation from now. But that is not politically correct…..

    And yes, the government is NOT working for my interest.
    Our president asked whether we would rather trust the
    government or Wall Street with our pension money.
    Pfui. I did a spreadsheet on my SS “contributions”
    (including those nominally made by my various employers),
    on the hypothetical assumption that the money had been
    invested in the DJIA at the end of each year.
    As of April of last year (with the DJIA still in the dumps)
    I would have had a million bucks – and 300 000 for
    Medicare.

    Thor

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  42. on March 12, 2011 at 11:04 am Doug1

    Jerry–

    C-130 in some diesel electric generators. Problem solved.

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  43. on March 12, 2011 at 11:09 am Doug1

    Ooop. It appears they were a bit slow on doing that.

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  44. on March 12, 2011 at 11:11 am Anonymous

    Doug1 –

    You just named (almost) the isotope that’s already been released into the air around the plant.

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  45. on March 12, 2011 at 11:15 am Thor

    @CH

    “I suspect cuckoldry is much more common after the first kid, since it’s much more difficult for the father to leave once he’s invested in the first kid. So more important than telling her you’ll screen for bastard spawn is making a credible threat that you’ll take off if you discover it.”

    The reasons might vary, see hypergamy. But the
    statistics bear out the statement above.

    A true story: There is a genetic (autosomal
    dominant) that produces LOTS of polyps in
    the large intestine. This is dangerous as
    any one polyp carries a non-negligible probability
    of turning malignant (in anybody). But the
    gene is, fortunately, quite rare in general.

    Now, there is an “epidemic’ of these cases around
    Wiltshire, England, among people born in the
    1930s. Epidemic? Huh? Well, some research went into
    this and it turns out that the index case (in the lingo
    of epidemiology) was a bicycle courier….

    Thor

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  46. on March 12, 2011 at 11:26 am Jerry

    @Thor

    You’ve hit on what is probably a top reason for the FDA to say this.

    The effects on the insurance industry…people knowing better what the odds of dying and how, could be monumental.

    It’s still our right to know individually.

    The way the Republican Party can be hurt is if they say that insurance companies have every right to try to grab some of your DNA to see how they should insure you.

    The GOP has to play this as something the government should stay out of in terms of our getting our own genomes, but that, like hard-drives, the data belongs to us like medical records.

    Then again, I’d respect a well-written dissenting opinion on whether others have a right to steal or demand someone else’s hair and make decisions based on a genome report on the stolen body part.

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  47. on March 12, 2011 at 11:26 am chi-town

    Schlocker is exactly the kind of dumb fuck that epitomizes the problem. Just leave to to someone else…like an overlord at the FDA. Its a simple issue. You either have the freedom to access your medical records, or you don’t. Its under your fucking nose. Yes or no to having free access to information concerning you? Think this shit does not matter, then get to know Trofim Denisovich Lysenko who was the quack responsible for starving millions. Why? Because it was politically beneficial that he be right. There is no end to the debate. “Ending the debate” is a euphemism for the suppression of the free flow of information.

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  48. on March 12, 2011 at 11:29 am Jerry

    The Democrats will definitely be on the side of insurance companies not being allowed to make decisions based on a genome sequence test.

    Taking that stance could help them at the polls.

    Republicans will have to take the same stance.

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  49. on March 12, 2011 at 11:29 am Blessent mon coeur

    To whom much has been given….

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need….

    Here’s an idea: Progressive taxation based not merely upon income, but upon possession of genetic sequences. High IQ genes = high tax rate. It’d be only fair, amirite?

    Other implications: no state-supported higher education (loans) for below a certain IQ or sequence cut-off line since it would mostly be a waste of time anyway. You’d think high IQ groups would be for this as it would save their tax money and undilute the social prestige of their degrees. You’d be wrong. Loads of students = more professor jobs.

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  50. on March 12, 2011 at 11:56 am The LP 999

    I am ex pharma and blackballed auditor, this is real. We are already in a scientific dictatorship.

    We will not be able to own ourselves. This is not paranoia. It is real. You gotta look beyond this prole BS of paternity, that is a emo issue to impair your thinking and change the subject.

    Anonymous/anonymous is right; the FDA are nuts. What about the dangerous drugs we have own our market? The FDA fiddles their fingers and is freedom phobic. (Alex Jones is right, kids)

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  51. on March 12, 2011 at 11:59 am Timothy Webster

    Any recommendations for genetic testing companies? Specifically, one that identifies your racial origins? Websites keep popping in and out of existence.

    Also, for paternity testing, is it really down to $100 now? Any recommended companies?

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  52. on March 12, 2011 at 12:36 pm Ruby

    Roissy,

    Somehow I doubt the clusterfuck of U.S. Government scientific agencies are actively aligned in a conspiracy to keep the Hereditarian Biological Determinist believer down.

    [Editor: Disbelieving in the lies of the blank slatists is not the same as embracing 100% biological determinism. Nice strawfucktard, though.]

    Unless you have evidence showing the contrary, I’d suggest you not stray into such dubious claims.

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  53. on March 12, 2011 at 1:04 pm Dan

    It will be a real hoot if they try to stop paternity testing. I remember performing those in high school. Gel elctrophoresis is the name of the process. Pretty simple if my high school self could do it.

    As for education:

    I know this will upset a lot of people, but we are wasting way too much money on “special education”. You can pump as much money as you want into educating mentally challenged and yet only see a slight improvement in them. They are not going to become rocket scientists or engineers. If possible, just get them to a level where they can work in a factory, warehouse, etc… where they are happy and contributing. Far too much money is wasted on special education.

    That money is better spent on the gifted and average. Put those with high aptitudes into quality programs that are geared for them, not the lowest common denominator like most classes are.

    For the average, try to put them through a broad range of classes or at least give them an option of taking a variety of classes. I say this because they are more likely to find their nitch if they try a lot of things. I went to a pretty well-off high school and had the chance to take some classes that aren’t typically offered most places. Because of this, I was able to find something I loved early on and have been able to specialize while most were still wandering aimlessly. It gave my younger self a goal. Something concrete to work on and be proud of. Had those classes not been available I would have ended up in something I was only half-assed about.

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  54. on March 12, 2011 at 1:21 pm senseiern

    @Ryu

    Yes, pat tests would benefit betas, but Roissy has this post to help men. Alphas get confirmation that they are on the right path, in the face of a world of feminazis telling them they are wrong. Betas get guidance to step out of betatude and into the world of alphaness.

    This post is part of the helping betas become alphas, and reinforcing his point that we as men need to stay on guard for our rights because a feminist statist world is trying to take those rights away.

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  55. on March 12, 2011 at 1:27 pm wattsmith

    I know it shouldn’t be funny, but I had to laugh when the fat, unhealthy looking Ohio representative said “It’s a hard thing to protect the public from itself and it’s desire to be healthy.” WTF? Why is this fat, unhealthy man trying to protect people from their own desire to be healthy? ARROGANT
    My recommendation: join the Global Information Network and get out of this rat race
    globalinformationnetwork.com
    AFFL Code- BeLikeWater

    Walter Smith
    GIN Member Level 1

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  56. on March 12, 2011 at 1:31 pm Anonymous

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” –C.S. Lewis

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  57. on March 12, 2011 at 1:35 pm Anonymous

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Testimony/ucm219925.htm

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  58. on March 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm Me

    When will people remember that violence, or the threat of violence, is all that keeps one free??

    Decapitate them all. Then hang their bodies upside down from the streetlights.

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  59. on March 12, 2011 at 2:56 pm Gorbachev

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone. ”

    Those days have been history for all of history.

    It was never true, CR.

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  60. on March 12, 2011 at 2:57 pm commenter53

    @John Rambo

    Go back to Afghanistan and finish the job

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  61. on March 12, 2011 at 3:10 pm Thor

    @Ruby
    “Somehow I doubt the clusterfuck of U.S. Government scientific agencies are actively aligned in a conspiracy to keep the Hereditarian Biological Determinist believer down.”

    There are no “biological determinists”. Not really.
    The argument is between those that at least
    pretend to believe in the perfectability of man, and
    that if we can just apply enought resources (i.e.
    tax everybody to death) all will be well, and those
    who believe that heredity plays a large role .

    The latter claim is the only plausible one. Obviously,
    reasonable men may differ on precisely what and
    how much is due to heredity and what is due to
    environment.

    And yes, paternity testing is easy compared to anything
    near a full genetic screen. We have the genome
    laid out (for a few people) but we are nowhere near
    knowing what all the genes actually DO.

    And, while some might find it ominous, and nasty,
    (including me), in a free society, nothing would prevent
    an insurance company from insisting on screening
    the DNA of a person before writing a health/life or
    any other policy. If it becomes illegal in the US, expect
    to find offshore companies (especially for life insurance)
    that “cherry pick” by doing just that. Such is life.
    You cannot “uninvent” genetics any more than you
    can “uninvent” nuclear technology, for better and
    for worse.

    Thor

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  62. on March 12, 2011 at 4:35 pm Anonymous

    Mandatory paternity testing at birth, whether we need it or not… keep everybody honest. (Hey, with all those switched-at-birth stories we hear about, you want to make sure the right mom and dad have the right kid… all those empowered feminists wouldn’t like raising somebody else’s kid for 18 years, now would they?)

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  63. on March 12, 2011 at 4:50 pm Science

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.”

    You honestly think that?

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  64. on March 12, 2011 at 5:06 pm Fisto

    @ Southern Man, Like?

    Having a gov’t that’s concerned with one thing, “protecting individual rights” should be it’s only concern.

    Every other function of the gov’t could be privatized.

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  65. on March 12, 2011 at 6:53 pm Me

    You shouldn’t depend on OTHER PEOPLE for anything, let alone the defense of your life and rights.

    Let’s remove the word “government” from our vocabulary. let’s just call it what it is. OTHER PEOPLE, to whom we, for many reasons, defer and look to for leadership because of our own limitations and laziness.

    You should never depend on other people and expect anything good to come out of it. Yes, you can be pleasantly surprised but that is rare.

    When OTHER PEOPLE are fucking you, you must fuck them back. Preemptively fuck them every chance you get because those other people are desperate for power.

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  66. on March 12, 2011 at 7:10 pm Anonymous

    Science said:

    “’You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.’

    You honestly think that?”

    Well, relatively speaking, anyway (probably about the Civil War era) and definitely not now.

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  67. on March 12, 2011 at 9:03 pm Anonymous

    You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.

    I’m figuring this period ended when a mob couldn’t get to their local politician and hang him from the nearest tree, if it ever existed at all.

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  68. on March 12, 2011 at 9:04 pm Miles Anderson

    Nice post up ’til the end. Personally I think 1 and 4 are the strong reasons. Power and money bitches.

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.”

    But this is nonsense. Name a time period when this was true. In the beginning the ruling elite were born out of a European “caste” that thought of themselves as special. They only tolerated the rest ‘cuz that is how they got the nice life they had. They might be a little more obsequious about it these days but it isn’t much different. The only reason a larger percentage of the citizens get to vote these days is ‘cuz the parties understand how diluted any power that comes from voting is and how good it makes the fools feel.

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  69. on March 12, 2011 at 9:06 pm Hektor

    Roissy, check this out. Not sure if there’s anything worth commenting on, but it’s amusing nonetheless.

    http://jezebel.com/#!5779905/usc-frat-guys-email-explains-women-are-targets-not-actual-people-like-us-men

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  70. on March 12, 2011 at 9:42 pm Not Tellin'

    Wow. Well, I like your posts, but you’ve got a few crazy motherfuckers in your readership. The FDA’s actions don’t surprise me at all, they’re the worst.

    http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/government-ties.cfm

    This site does an excellent job of documenting their various crimes, including other organizations.

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  71. on March 12, 2011 at 10:56 pm Fisto

    @ Me

    Do you have some kind of hard time with reading comprehension? When did I ever use the word “depend”? I said that providing protection of individual rights (as it stands today the gov’t is the biggest enemy of them) should be the only function the gov’t has.

    Save your fucking lectures.

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  72. on March 12, 2011 at 10:57 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozzlzlozlzolzlzlzoz

    i was ata a party with tucker max and ben bernankee last night inside teh beeltway with jonah godlebeg and airiannaahahahaha huffingtonpuffington and there ben said

    “hey tuiker we can wire yu lotsa fiat dollarz if you assock chcix and cufkfi otehr mens wiveslzolozozllzo”
    lzozozozolz

    and a neoeonc said, “yah and i can call teh dude running teh fda and tell him to outlaw paternity tetsing so that wehn we create our matser race of tucker max insimematintaed tucker max babiebies the cuckholded bab betas will have topay for it lzozlzozo!! tralk aboout butthexed!!!! lzozlzlzlzllzlzz. :P) we butthex the beta’s wife in college and t n butthex the beta on down the line lzozolzlzozlzlzo”””

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  73. on March 12, 2011 at 11:06 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Half of the comments here, and I’m not overstating matters in the least, half of the fucking comments could come from Feministing. Unless Roissy was recently featured in some femicunt rag, there is simply no excuse for this. Tighten up ya game, El Chateau.

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  74. on March 13, 2011 at 12:46 am D

    It’s not about paternity tests, or the fear of paternity tests.

    That’s not what this is all about.

    The courts have already decided that men who aren’t remotely related to offspring, can still be forced to fork over the upraising of that offspring.

    Those cases are all over the place, and the FDA isn’t doing this over that.

    No.

    THIS is ALL about political correctness. One of the great frauds out there is that any kid if properly educated can grow up to do whatever. DNA results will not just show that individual differences exist, BUT FAR MORE importantly, that ETHNIC GROUP and RACIAL differences exist as well.

    This is all about “The Bell Curve” again.

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  75. on March 13, 2011 at 1:00 am Fubsy

    Sounds like it’s time to invest in genetic testing labs just over the Canadian or Mexican borders…

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  76. on March 13, 2011 at 1:17 am H

    “Off topic:

    UNLIKE Tiger and others public figures, Charlie Sheen is GAINING sponsors like a madman for his online rants and twitter page. You know why? Unlike buckling and being a pussy as others have in the past, this guy is owning the fucking hell out of his alpha cred and being one of the worlds true uberalphas.”

    Thank you, I have been thinking the exact same thing.
    Charlie Sheen>Tiger Woods

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  77. on March 13, 2011 at 1:26 am old guy

    @ChooChoo5000

    Right now Panama and Costa Rica.

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  78. on March 13, 2011 at 1:27 am thefrollickingmole

    A lot of people here have it arse about.

    Upon the birth of a child there shall be manditory (unless both parties agree to opt out) paternity test.

    Id love to see that introduced, the feminists would shit kittens.

    Really it should be up to the courts to explain why this ISNT done, not for men to explain why it should.
    In Oz a bloke got a test done that showed hed been paying for someone elses kid for a decade or so. Guess what, he didnt get any money back.

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  79. on March 13, 2011 at 1:36 am Agent_008

    I’ve been flirting with this chick who’s dating a buddy of mine. We both run track (I’m in high school) and so I spend some time with her but not so much that it loses value. I’m pretty sexually forward and she definitely wants my dick, but she won’t break up with her greater-beta boyfriend. I’m not gonna do anything cuz the guy’s a friend but I’m fine with undermining the relationship a bit. Why doesn’t she break up with him and suck my cock already? Wtf man?!

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  80. on March 13, 2011 at 1:37 am old guy

    @Jerry
    Wait. I’m sorry but who the fuck decided to put a nuclear power plant on the coast on a nuclear fault line in the Pacific Ring of Fire?”

    It’s a GE reactor.

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  81. on March 13, 2011 at 1:39 am old guy

    @ Jerry

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant

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  82. on March 13, 2011 at 1:49 am old guy

    @Thor

    “b) Separating out high school into a “trades” track and an
    academic track. There should be no stigma here; when
    your pipes freeze in the middle of the night, you need
    a f….n plumber, not a political scientist.”

    And then give all the money to the kids in the skilled tradesman track since they will learn to do something that is actually useful. We have enough BAs in crap like Poly Sci to last us until the year 3000 now.

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  83. on March 13, 2011 at 3:07 am Thor

    @old guy
    “And then give all the money to the kids in the skilled tradesman track since they will learn to do something that is actually useful. We have enough BAs in crap like Poly Sci to last us until the year 3000 now.”

    The problem is not primarily in the schools. The problem you
    are addressing is that we have a growing government
    blob that PAYS THE SALARIES for a bazillion people who
    are at best useless, at worst a threat to our freedom.
    And when there is a market, some people will show up
    and fill the slots.

    Another thing is government loans. In theory, they might
    be a nice thing. In practice, it sucks a lot of innocent (well,
    almost) souls into Eloi education that targets job slots that
    are much fewer than the number of graduating students.
    Think students of Italian Art.

    And others into e.g. PoliSci, and then they will clamor
    for more government jobs, as per above.

    Thor

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  84. on March 13, 2011 at 3:25 am old guy

    @Anonymous
    Science said:

    “’You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.’

    You honestly think that?”

    Well, relatively speaking, anyway (probably about the Civil War era) and definitely not now.”

    Two words: Whiskey Rebellion

    America went to hell right away.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

    Afterwords, George Washington built the biggest distillery in America. It’s good to be king.

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  85. on March 13, 2011 at 3:39 am old guy

    I agree.

    They are well educated slaves because their is no real market for their skills, thus they must support the dominant paradigm. Also they owe most of what they make for the first ten years out of college to the Gov for “student loans”. I tell all the kids I know, learn a trade, you’ll actually have money in two or three years. They rarely listen.

    It’s all about the status of a “clean hands at the end of the day” job. By the time they figure out that every workin’ man’s hands are dirty at the end of the day, only the kind of dirt you can see washes off and the kind you can’t see doesn’t, it’s too late. Then it’s hate yourself or hypnotize yourself that you’re one of the good guys, and really, that’s not someone else’s blood on your hands.

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  86. on March 13, 2011 at 4:04 am Thor

    @old guy

    Ah, yes, good ol’ Alexander Gallatin.

    His name appears in “The Probability Broach”
    by, IIRC, F Neil Smith.

    Thor

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  87. on March 13, 2011 at 4:15 am Me

    @ Fisto

    In what way is “providing protection” not creating a dependence?

    Try thinking before you write.

    Depending on them for anything at all, let alone something as important as your individual rights, gives them power over you.

    Government has always been and will always be the biggest threat to the rights of human beings. A “governing” (ruling) entity has power over them.

    It’s a farce and we should always remember this. The concept of law is a farce. The concept of rights is a farce. Never forget that “civilization” is a big joke, and prepare accordingly.

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  88. on March 13, 2011 at 4:18 am Me

    Women’s devolution into their hypergamous wild natural selves should be a constant reminder that we’re pack animals and we’re fooling ourselves.

    Don’t take the luxuries of civilized life for granted. Prepare yourself to live without them.

    Especially now, with Islamic expansionism knocking at our door.

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  89. on March 13, 2011 at 5:35 am Linkage is Good for You: We’re Back! Edition

    […] Chateau – “In Praise of American Women“, “She Wants You to Help Her be Less Independent“, “File Under: Five Minutes of Alpha“, “Why is the FDA Moving to Ban You from Freely Accessing Your Genomic Data?” […]

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  90. on March 13, 2011 at 8:45 am Chris

    I think this is more about power and prestige than money. Status is at least as big a motivator for most doctors as money.

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  91. on March 13, 2011 at 9:44 am Why Is The FDA Moving To Ban You From Freely Accessing Your Genomic Data? « Citizen Renegade « The LP 72980/The LP 999 Blog

    […] Why Is The FDA Moving To Ban You From Freely Accessing Your Genomic Data? « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  92. on March 13, 2011 at 10:18 am mute

    sorry to threadjack but did i just get shit tested through text? “let’s go for a coffee on wed” -> “Why?”. haven’t been in contact with her for a while and i can sort of understand her answer. anyway, how to respond after letting the hamster spin?

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  93. on March 13, 2011 at 10:45 am Fisto

    @ Me

    Read our Constitution. The gov’t is dependent on US. People just don’t exercise their rights or are ignorant blowhards going off on some anarchist rant. You’re not even really saying anything.

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  94. on March 13, 2011 at 10:48 am Evil Alpha

    @mute

    Cuz I can’t on Tuesday or Thursday…

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  95. on March 13, 2011 at 11:26 am Dan

    @Me

    You are the opposite of a NannyStater and just as foolish. You see that a governing system has flaws and conclude that the solution is to have no government.

    The answer lies in between no government and an all-powerful big brother.

    Yes, our government sucks. Yes, Congress wipes their asses on the constitution.

    The answer is to scale them back, not entirely remove them.

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    Anarchy Dictatorship

    We want to be at a 5. By ceding certain freedoms to the government we actually become MORE free. By submitting to laws against, say, shooting a rifle randomly out your window, you right to life and property are better protected.

    Right now we are at a 7-8 and slowly creeping to the right.

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  96. on March 13, 2011 at 11:28 am Dan

    Wow, I made a nice scale that didn’t show up for some reason.

    It is suppose to look like with anarchy on the left and dictatorship at the right.

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  97. on March 13, 2011 at 11:29 am Dan

    Wow, still didn’t show it. Screw it.

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  98. on March 13, 2011 at 1:09 pm Thor

    @me

    “Depending on them for anything at all, let alone something as important as your individual rights, gives them power over you.”

    Yup. Therein lies the problem. As a practical matter,
    there are no great solutions.

    Having anarchocapitalism
    and NO government would probably devolve into
    warring gangster mobs – or takeover by an outside
    force (for an example, see Iceland, a nearly anarchic
    but orderly country from 900 to about 1400 IIRC, until
    the Danish navy took over).

    Having a constitutionally very limited government
    can work for a while – this was the intent when the
    United States constitution was written. Somewhat depending on your criteria, it lasted from 1789 to about 1913, when Wilson became president and brought in the income tax. (Some damage had already been done by his predecessors, such as Teddy Roosevelt). So, empirically,
    it is very hard to make a limited government STAY limited.

    On “Me” and physicians: There is a serious move afoot to proletarianize physicians. The current agenda is primarily to kill off what is left of the middle class in general. No, not physically, this is at bottom a PsyOp. The point is to destroy the middle class attitude, which, among other things, includes a sentiment among its members that they could get along personally without government assistance. The agenda is to change the game, mainly but not exclusively by impoverishing them, and make them feel like (most easily done by making it true) they are supplicants to the government. Physicians used to be very well off, and are a particularly hard nut to crack, but the agenda is to crack them along with the rest of the middle class. Of course, making them de facto government employees will help a lot.

    Thor

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  99. on March 13, 2011 at 1:44 pm Anonymous

    Me said: “Women’s devolution into their hypergamous wild natural selves should be a constant reminder that we’re pack animals and we’re fooling ourselves.

    Don’t take the luxuries of civilized life for granted. Prepare yourself to live without them.

    Especially now, with Islamic expansionism knocking at our door.”

    This is the Islamists’ out-of-chaos-comes-order strategy: destroy society, then provide Sharia and burqahs for people who’ll happily grasp the security and stability over freedom… only we’re destroying civilized life ourselves for them. (Harems, burqahs and purdah is how they deal with female hypergamy, ladies… you won’t like it, trust me.)

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  100. on March 13, 2011 at 2:48 pm Me

    Yes, Fisto. The government depends on our tax money which they take by force or the threat thereof.

    Do you imagine that if no one voted in any of the coming elections that the government officials would evaporate?

    Open your eyes.

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  101. on March 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm Facepalm

    “true Phase III overlords”

    Why do you believe that the entire CR readership reads the same sci-fi novels that you do? WTF is “Phase III”?

    “Why is the FDA attempting this run-around basic human liberties? A few explanations jump to mind.”

    But not, apparently, the most obvious. The proposed regulation benefits doctors with an “M.D.” after their name. It gives MDs a monopoly on interpreting your genetic data. The AMA wants this monopoly, and the FDA appears happy to give it to them.

    Might this move by a government regulatory agency to benefit a single group be the result of the same kind of corruption we see between many other agencies/groups? Such as financial-sector regulatory agencies bending over backward to ignore Wall Street crime — and then the heads of those agencies leaving their posts to make 100X as much working for Wall Street firms?

    What’s more common — regulatory agency leaders having corrupt relationships with the industries they cover, or these same leaders putting their asses on the line for a private ideological agenda? Both do happen, but in the latter case we usually see an absence of a strongly benefitting industry. In the case of the FDA/AMA, it is hardly necessary to go looking for who benefits.

    This is garden-variety corruption, not some special plot that validates your pet conspiracy.

    [Editor: What part of “and the FDA and docs want in on it” didn’t you get?
    And, btw, schmuck, a profiteering motive and an ideological axe-grinding aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.]

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  102. on March 13, 2011 at 2:55 pm Facepalm

    The excellent blogger FuturePundit has been all over this issue for some time, with considerably more perspective:

    http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/cat_policy_medical.html

    And Reason’s Hit & Run blog was on this issue in real time, also with considerably more perspective:

    http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/27/a-genetic-testing-dupe

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  103. on March 13, 2011 at 6:08 pm Revenga

    Hey Agent what if your “friend” finds out and exacts revenge? Some of us don’t play by YOUR rules.

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  104. on March 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm Thor

    @anonymous
    “This is the Islamists’ out-of-chaos-comes-order strategy: destroy society, then provide Sharia and burqahs for people who’ll happily grasp the security and stability over freedom… only we’re destroying civilized life ourselves for them. (Harems, burqahs and purdah is how they deal with female hypergamy, ladies… you won’t like it, trust me.)”

    One of the deep mysteries of life is the approval
    (at least by their silence, quitetatem consentere)
    of the femtards and feminazies of Islam, Sharia law
    and the like. Maybe this shows that they secretly
    long for alphas strong enough to put a boot in their
    faces? I just don’t know.

    Thor

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  105. on March 13, 2011 at 7:32 pm Marco

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.”

    No. There weren’t.

    Governments just fuck their subjects up the rear, anything else like that ‘old days were better’ mem is just a cognitive bias or worse.

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  106. on March 13, 2011 at 8:23 pm Anonymous

    Marco: “‘You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.’

    No. There weren’t.

    Governments just fuck their subjects up the rear, anything else like that ‘old days were better’ mem is just a cognitive bias or worse.”

    True. But it takes an invasive left/libtards big gov’t (you know, “a village”) to really bugger you and your personal life without K-Y for your own good supposedly.

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  107. on March 13, 2011 at 8:51 pm Anonymous

    old guy sad:

    “@Jerry
    ‘Wait. I’m sorry but who the fuck decided to put a nuclear power plant on the coast on a nuclear fault line in the Pacific Ring of Fire?’

    It’s a GE reactor.”

    Speaking of that… here’s what happened at Three Mile Island in ’79 (situation is similar now):

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  108. on March 13, 2011 at 9:52 pm chic noir

    http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com/2011/03/i-dont-know-what-theyre-saying-but-i.html

    alphas in action. watch betas and maybe you will learn.

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  109. on March 13, 2011 at 9:59 pm Agent_008

    Revenga
    I’m not gonna make some evil plan to steal her or anything, I’m just wondering why she hasn’t left him yet. By undermining I mean making her wish I would ram my cock down her throat to ease the wonderful tension that makes her pussy tingle. I hope that clarifies things.

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  110. on March 13, 2011 at 11:27 pm Bhruic

    “You know, there was once a time when Americans could, with few exceptions, count on their government and those they elect to work for their interests, and not against them. Those days are long gone.”
    1837?

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  111. on March 14, 2011 at 7:22 am dustydog

    Chateau and the rest of you beta hangers-on got played by a company PR flak. Rule of thumb- when your only knowledge comes from a paid press-release, you don’t know what you are talking about and don’t have an informed opinion.

    The FDA is NOT preventing anyone from accessing their genomic data.

    FDA is following the law, which says that a company can’t market a device as diagnosing or treating a disease until the device is proven safe and effective.

    For context, when you get blood drawn or pee in a cup, the lab doesn’t send you the full results. They send the info to the doctor, who decides what to tell you. It is legal for a company to run blood tests and give you the results (as if you could make sense of it), but they couldn’t claim they were diagnosing disease or giving you medical advice unless they actually go to the trouble of diagnosing disease and giving medical device. The print out sent to the doctor isn’t intended to be direct-to-consumer.

    The FDA is prohibited, by law, from wading into the public arena. FDA is prohibited, by law, from discussing somebody’s private confidential business information with reporters.

    A company in dire need of venture capitol – trust them at your own risk.

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  112. on March 14, 2011 at 9:17 am Bill

    In Australia, the law on marriage and divorce is federal. In 1972 a socialist PM whose father in law was a divorce court judge won office. He staffed the Attorney-General’s Department with socialists and feminists. The Family Law Act 1975 was passed. It created the Family Court. Things got so bad that no one was getting married – because there were no pre-nups until 2000.

    The divorce lawyers got so hungry, that now they deem you to be married after cohabitation. This is for the purpose of suing you for property and maintenance. Men get 30% of property. They even lose property they had before they married and their damages for personal injury.

    Custody orders are enforced – but not visitation. Child support ranges up to 27% of a man’s gross income, enforced by the IRS.

    None of this is public because there is a publication ban.

    Anyhow – you are 100% right – there are major moves to stop private paternity testing, because they want women to be able to whore around on you and force you to pay.

    Socialized medicine in Australia makes it easy to snuff out private paternity testing.

    Prostitution has been legalized in most of Australia to take up the slack from the destruction of marriage.

    The only real solutions are to leave OR have a sex change.

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  113. on March 14, 2011 at 9:31 am Young Dude

    I saw a good post about this over at this young economist’s blog http://bit.ly/fCnt5I explaining how the guilds slowed down the industrial revolution.

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  114. on March 14, 2011 at 10:36 am Facepalm

    “It is legal for a company to run blood tests and give you the results (as if you could make sense of it)”

    Seriously? You think that doctors are wizards blessed with the unique ability to interpret blood panels, and little old me would be clueless with regard to all dem der numbers ‘n such? Cholesterol? I don’t know nuttin’ about no cholesterol. Hep me, doctor. Hep me.

    When it comes to genomic data, your position is even more ridiculous, as it is the rare M.D. who knows anything useful about the genome. At present it is a specialty that a general practitioner would have little motivation to study. There are amateurs who can run circles around 99% of M.D.s on this subject.

    This is not a debate about a “medical device” in any meaningful sense of the term. It’s a debate about whether the government will grant to the AMA a monopoly on access to an individual’s own genetic information. It’s about setting up a tollbooth.

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  115. on March 14, 2011 at 12:35 pm gig

    The only real solutions are to leave OR have a sex change.

    Now THAT’S how a frightening comment looks like. As this sex-change stuff becomes more popular, and we all know it goes mostly the male-turns -into-female way, the greater the risk of any of us men unknowingly f*** a transexual.

    I bet 10 years from now guys will look at a girl’s hole, her legs spread wide, and wonder what was there by the time she left her mom’s womb…

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  116. on March 14, 2011 at 12:52 pm Gorbachev

    @Bill
    None of this is public because there is a publication ban.

    Bill, that can’t be right. You mean, you’re not legally allowed to *discuss* divorce law in Australia?

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  117. on March 14, 2011 at 1:25 pm Thor

    @dustydog

    Sure. i need a doctor’s “prescription” to get a blood test.
    And that’s outrageous. Blood testing poses no danger!

    Now, with DNA, it is not necessarily tied to a disease,
    it could be anything, including paternity testing of course.

    So the legal case that the FDA “must” regulate is
    weak at best.

    Imagine a country where the Federal Government
    gets OUT OF HEALTH CARE all together.

    Just fund my MSA (Medical Savings account) with
    all my and my employers’ contributions, plus interest,
    it would be about USD 300 K.

    I imagine finding (or creating) a jurisdiction where
    everybody is free to buy and sell medical services
    in any way they want.

    Thor

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  118. on March 14, 2011 at 1:30 pm Facepalm

    Sure. i need a doctor’s “prescription” to get a blood test.

    No, you don’t. SpectraCell is one example of a DTC (direct-to-consumer) lab that will send you a blood collection kit in the mail, which you then FedEx back to them for testing. The results are sent to YOU.

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  119. on March 14, 2011 at 1:37 pm Thor

    @facepalm

    Thanks for the info. I have occasionally been
    battling this. Some testing installations
    are even worse, they want a DIAGNOSIS.
    This is backwards, you do the test to
    arrive at a diagnosis, not the other way round.

    Thor

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  120. on March 14, 2011 at 3:01 pm jay c

    I don’t think the PtB care as much about whether we have access to DNA information as they do about whether they have access to our DNA info. Getting all DNA testing into official medical records means that any government agency will be able to access it any time they want.

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  121. on March 14, 2011 at 3:30 pm Thor

    …OR
    what was there when she left her dads womb???

    (never mind the technicalities, I know…)

    Thor

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  122. on March 14, 2011 at 4:34 pm Cyning

    Props to the guy who mentioned Lysenkoism. Here is a good link
    http://www.amerika.org/politics/lysenkoism-by-social-choice/

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  123. on March 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm Anonymous

    Thor said:
    “@anonymous
    ‘This is the Islamists’ out-of-chaos-comes-order strategy: destroy society, then provide Sharia and burqahs for people who’ll happily grasp the security and stability over freedom… only we’re destroying civilized life ourselves for them. (Harems, burqahs and purdah is how they deal with female hypergamy, ladies… you won’t like it, trust me.)’

    One of the deep mysteries of life is the approval
    (at least by their silence, quitetatem consentere)
    of the femtards and feminazies of Islam, Sharia law
    and the like. Maybe this shows that they secretly
    long for alphas strong enough to put a boot in their
    faces? I just don’t know.”

    Hold the phone! This just in (and in UK Daily Mail, not The Onion)…

    “Glossy ‘Jihad Cosmo’ Combines Beauty Tips with Suicide Bombing Advice,” Daily Mail, 13 Mar 2011,
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365806/Glossy-Jihad-Cosmo-combines-beauty-tips-suicide-bombing-advice.html#ixzz1GbquZKQX

    Says it’s trying to educate women and involve them in Jihad for islam… and, for singles, how to marry a mujahideen.

    Yup, they’re putting out the pitch for those domineering hajji Alphas who treat corrupting women like they yearn to be treated! (There you go, ladies, hope you like honor killings, genital mutilation and being property… don’t forget your burqahs!)

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  124. on March 14, 2011 at 8:43 pm thefrollickingmole

    Gorbachev

    Yes Australian family law is that draconian.

    http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_03.html (a journos primer to courts)

    “Family Court
    The federal Family Law Act prevents the media from identifying any of the parties to an action, their families or witnesses. All that is permissible is a short summary of the Family Court proceedings. Because you are not able to identify anyone apart from court officers, even this is usually not worth doing.”

    So nigh on impossible to criticise the court in any but the blandest and most general of terms.
    Also the “best interests of the child” are often brought up as a “reason” for the lack of criticism/scrutiny.

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  125. on March 14, 2011 at 10:11 pm Bill Brasky

    I remember hearing rumors a few years ago that the Human Genome Project was inadvertently uncovering all kinds of interesting evidence for HBD.

    As expected, none of this showed up in the MSM. Anybody have any links for this?

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  126. on March 15, 2011 at 3:19 am Logistics

    Expectedly, you lads are dumb. Talk to ROOSH before exposing your ignorance.

    Have you seen the movie: GATTACA?

    If your genetic info is out in the open, Trust me, corporations will rape you to death.

    If you have genes for predilection towards lung cancer, and you are a smoker; i will bet your arse that your insurance company wont pay for your treatment if you get cancer. YOUR GENES ARE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.

    If your genes indicates heart attack, why would an airline company want you flying their planes? Or a hospital wants you for chief of neurosurgery? When it is a scientific fact you can die at any moment after a certain age. It doesnt matter that you graduated at the top of your class in medical school or the best pilot in the nation. Or the fact that this specific occupation is what you wanted all your life.

    Your freedom will be limited. There are certain things you cant do simply because nobody want to be sued.

    I mean, why would a school allow you to participate in certain extracurricular activities when that can results in myocardial infarction if your genes says so. Based on your genes you shouldnt, as such, dont. Because the school wont want to be sued by your parents. It will be like having peanut allergy and not allowing to eat peanut at school.

    IT WILL BE LIKE GATTACA. the movie. You are only allowed to do what your genes says you can do. (because nobody, not the school, not the hospital, not your company want to be responsible for any harm to you. And certainly, your insurance company doesnt want to foot the bill for any medical problems that has been predicted by your genes)

    Besides, if i know your genes, i can create a selected virus to attack you and only you.

    And for you losers and idiots thinking that there will be a gene sequence written out that shows that white are better than blacks; you are dreaming.

    Why? news flash: transcriptional modification, suppressors, operons, inducers, translational modification, protein modification(adenylation, etc). If you dont know how all these fucks up your dream of finding a sequence that says white is better than blacks; you are more lost than i imagine. Oh yes, to further depress you: genes that code for the frontal cortex is not co-inherited with blue eyes or skin color or hair type or height or nose type. Go study co-inheritance /homologous recombination and heterologous recombination in genetics.

    Reading these comments just reminds you why everybody should study some science. Too many stupid people.

    (ever wonder why 90% of scientists are liberals? Rigour, facts, exegesis, scientific methodology, experimental demonstration all have a liberal bias, i guess.). Your entire world runs on science: from your pen to your computer to your beer to your shoes– all products of science.

    Fucking A.

    Why are conservatives soo fucking dumb and factless? creationism is the same as evolution! lol! what fucking retards!

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  127. on March 15, 2011 at 5:15 am Mr. C

    Hell hath no fury like an Australian woman in the Family Court.

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  128. on March 15, 2011 at 5:19 am Bill

    Gorbachev – At a practical level this kills press interest, particularly since the orders are discretionary, so technically, there are no rules and divorce lawyers hide behind that.

    FAMILY LAW ACT 1975 – SECT 121

    Restriction on publication of court proceedings
    (1) A person who publishes in a newspaper or periodical publication, by radio broadcast or television or by other electronic means, or otherwise disseminates to the public or to a section of the public by any means, any account of any proceedings, or of any part of any proceedings, under this Act that identifies:

    (a) a party to the proceedings;

    (b) a person who is related to, or associated with, a party to the proceedings or is, or is alleged to be, in any other way concerned in the matter to which the proceedings relate; or

    (c) a witness in the proceedings;

    is guilty of an offence punishable, upon conviction by imprisonment for a period not exceeding one year.

    (2) A person who, except as permitted by the applicable Rules of Court, publishes in a newspaper or periodical publication, by radio broadcast or television or by other electronic means, or otherwise disseminates to the public or to a section of the public by any means (otherwise than by the display of a notice in the premises of the court), a list of proceedings under this Act, identified by reference to the names of the parties to the proceedings, that are to be dealt with by a court is guilty of an offence punishable, upon conviction by imprisonment for a period not exceeding one year.

    (3) Without limiting the generality of subsection (1), an account of proceedings, or of any part of proceedings, referred to in that subsection shall be taken to identify a person if:

    (a) it contains any particulars of:

    (i) the name, title, pseudonym or alias of the person;

    (ii) the address of any premises at which the person resides or works, or the locality in which any such premises are situated;

    (iii) the physical description or the style of dress of the person;

    (iv) any employment or occupation engaged in, profession practised or calling pursued, by the person or any official or honorary position held by the person;

    (v) the relationship of the person to identified relatives of the person or the association of the person with identified friends or identified business, official or professional acquaintances of the person;

    (vi) the recreational interests, or the political, philosophical or religious beliefs or interests, of the person; or

    (vii) any real or personal property in which the person has an interest or with which the person is otherwise associated;

    being particulars that are sufficient to identify that person to a member of the public, or to a member of the section of the public to which the account is disseminated, as the case requires;

    (b) in the case of a written or televised account or an account by other electronic means–it is accompanied by a picture of the person; or

    (c) in the case of a broadcast or televised account or an account by other electronic means–it is spoken in whole or in part by the person and the person’s voice is sufficient to identify that person to a member of the public, or to a member of the section of the public to which the account is disseminated, as the case requires.

    (4) A reference in subsection (1) or (2) to proceedings shall be construed as including a reference to proceedings commenced before the commencement of section 72 of the Family Law Amendment Act 1983 .

    (5) An offence against this section is an indictable offence.

    (8) Proceedings for an offence against this section shall not be commenced except by, or with the written consent of, the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    (9) The preceding provisions of this section do not apply to or in relation to:

    (a) the communication, to persons concerned in proceedings in any court, of any pleading, transcript of evidence or other document for use in connection with those proceedings; or

    (b) the communication of any pleading, transcript of evidence or other document to:

    (i) a body that is responsible for disciplining members of the legal profession in a State or Territory; or

    (ii) persons concerned in disciplinary proceedings against a member of the legal profession of a State or Territory, being proceedings before a body that is responsible for disciplining members of the legal profession in that State or Territory; or

    (c) the communication, to a body that grants assistance by way of legal aid, of any pleading, transcript of evidence or other document for the purpose of facilitating the making of a decision as to whether assistance by way of legal aid should be granted, continued or provided in a particular case; or

    (d) the publishing of a notice or report in pursuance of the direction of a court; or

    (da) the publication by the court of lists of proceedings under this Act, identified by reference to the names of the parties, that are to be dealt with by the court; or

    (e) the publishing of any publication bona fide intended primarily for use by the members of any profession, being:

    (i) a separate volume or part of a series of law reports; or

    (ii) any other publication of a technical character; or

    (f) the publication or other dissemination of an account of proceedings or of any part of proceedings:

    (i) to a person who is a member of a profession, in connection with the practice by that person of that profession or in the course of any form of professional training in which that person is involved; or

    (ia) to an individual who is a party to any proceedings under this Act, in connection with the conduct of those proceedings; or

    (ii) to a person who is a student, in connection with the studies of that person; or

    (g) publication of accounts of proceedings, where those accounts have been approved by the court.

    (10) Applicable Rules of Court made for the purposes of subsection (2) may be of general or specially limited application or may differ according to differences in time, locality, place or circumstance.

    Note: Powers to make Rules of Court are also contained in sections 26B, 37A, 109A and 123.

    (11) In this section:

    “court” includes:

    (a) an officer of a court investigating or dealing with a matter in accordance with this Act, the regulations or the Rules of Court; and

    (b) a tribunal established by or under a law of the Commonwealth, of a State or of a Territory.

    “electronic means” includes:

    (a) in the form of data, text or images by means of guided and/or unguided electromagnetic energy; or

    (b) in the form of speech by means of guided and/or unguided electromagnetic energy, where the speech is processed at its destination by an automated voice recognition system.

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  129. on March 15, 2011 at 9:34 am Jerry

    @logistics

    You made an excellent point about Gattaca.

    I made a similar point above that the last thing we want is for insurance companies getting our genomes. You went me one better and kudos for thinking of Gattaca.

    But you didn’t need to go off on a tangent and support a political party that is totally in the tank for Marxist feminism and wealth transfer from men to women (including taxes) plus the loss of rights for males (heck, Harry Reid of the Democratic Party is now calling for the criminalization of prostitution in Nevada while the religious right GOP Senator Ensign from Nevada says “the federal government should stay out of this”.

    The fact that some morons think they are “conservative” because they believe in creationism doesn’t mean that they believe in small government and individual rights like conservatives should.

    The left still believes in man-made global warming which is just as stupidly religious.

    Heck, there are total fools online now who think they are “conservatives” who “know science better than liberals” who are fighting the “liberal media” which is supposedly making a mountain out of a molehill regarding the Japanese nuclear meltdown situation.

    Conservative political parties will be crushed if they pretend that 40 year old GE reactors should remain in operation after this Japanese incident.

    But just because these fools (and lobbyists) self-identify as being “conservatives fighting liberals” doesn’t make it so.

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  130. on March 15, 2011 at 9:38 am Jerry

    @Logistics

    But just because these fools (and lobbyists) self-identify as being “conservatives fighting liberals” doesn’t make it so.

    What I meant to say is that it isn’t logical to think that being a left winger is good because some people who claim membership on the right take a stance on certain issues that they and others label, incorrectly, as being “conservative.”

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  131. on March 15, 2011 at 9:55 am Jerry

    Of course, keeping the film Gattaca in mind, is the FDA thinking that, by giving people the chance to see their own genomes, they would then insure themselves against disease more and put themselves in a position where an insurance company can later say “You knew you had a pre-existing condition?”

    [Editor: Logistics seems to have completely misunderstood the post and what the FDA is doing. He is actually arguing in favor of less individual freedom. Typical for his kind.
    How would insurance companies know you got your genome tested? You go to a private firm and have your genes accessed. Insurance companies don’t have to know squat. If anything, what the FDA is proposing would mean more power in the hands of government and likelihood that your records will be in the public domain. If this weren’t the case, that FDA official Shuren would have no reason to lie under oath. Heh.]

    It sure seems like we’ll need to have our genomes legally declared to not be a “pre-existing” condition and not be something we ever have to disclose to anyone.

    If the FDA is holding off because they foresee this tangled legal landscape in everyone’s future, they should say so and we can all get the laws passed, where disclosure is never necessary, while allowing people to get their own genome information if they want it (because the FDA ultimately has no authority over whether we can get info about ourselves).

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  132. on March 15, 2011 at 10:10 am Jerry

    @logistics

    Regarding the bogus idea that left wingers are supposedly more logical scientifically, I’ll note that many of the people online who are now pretending the nuclear situation in Japan isn’t serious are actually running the Climate Change websites that are so against the burning of fossil fuels.

    A lot of left wingers are major nuclear energy advocates and they are lying up a storm right now, with websites saying “Don’t apologize. Say that humans could survive if they were sitting on those reactors now. Note that only 31 people died as a result of Chernobyl. Compare this to traffic deaths. Nuclear energy is safer than driving a car. Etc.”

    Even worse, they are asking their readership to pretend that they are “conservatives fighting dumb liberals” and advocating the use of bad science to show this.

    Politically speaking, some issues split along lines that can’t be determined as right vs left.

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  133. on March 15, 2011 at 11:27 am Thor

    @logisitics
    “And for you losers and idiots thinking that there will be a gene sequence written out that shows that white are better than blacks; you are dreaming.

    Why? news flash: transcriptional modification, [lots of genetic stuff]
    Reading these comments just reminds you why everybody should study some science. Too many stupid people.

    (ever wonder why 90% of scientists are liberals? Rigour, facts, exegesis, scientific methodology, experimental demonstration all have a liberal bias, i guess.). Your entire world runs on science: from your pen to your computer to your beer to your shoes– all products of science.

    Fucking A.

    Why are conservatives soo fucking dumb and factless? creationism is the same as evolution! lol! what fucking retards!”

    Oh, what a tirade. Some comments above correctly
    point out that not everything falls on a tidy
    right-left scale. True, of course.

    But “logistics” is over the top. You don’t need to know all about the complex interactions of a genome to know that a certain gene generally causes, or increases the likelihood of, certain conditions/effects/whatever, you can find this out empirically. Lots of research going on, for better and for worse.

    And you don’t need ANY genetics to compare various ethnic groups, you can tabulate results – if you think such things matter. (Personally, I go by individuals, and don’t care about ethnicity – but corollary is that I detest affirmative action, which is inherently racist.)

    And I don’t believe a statement like “90% of scientists
    are liberals”. Where do you get stuff like that? Now, it may well be that scientists in government-paid occupations tend to favor government spending, but if so, it is merely self-serving and not something from which you can draw general conclusions.

    As to the events in Japan, the media are hungrily focussing on the nuclear problems, while the reality is that thousands have died from non-nuclear events. Societies,
    not even prudent societies like the Japanese, plan for an 8.9 earthquake, and some shit happened.

    Thor

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  134. on March 15, 2011 at 12:26 pm Jerry

    @Logistics

    It’s true that you don’t need to know genomes to see what groups consistently come out lower on IQ tests and, upon knowing this, you cannot be called a racist. All you did was notice scientific results. It takes a left winger to pretend the science isn’t happening.

    @Thor

    Regarding Japan and the left-right scale, please don’t make the mistake of thinking the media is “left wing” for taking the nuclear accidents seriously.

    If anything, they are in the tank for GE. Their reporting has been, relatively speaking, very upbeat.

    Example: How many have clearly understood from the media reporting that the Fukushima Reactor #2 has blown its own containment vessel? That’s a million times worse than the simple hydrogen explosions in the other buildings.

    How many understand that no human being is likely to be able to continue working on the problem from the ground?

    How many understand that this puts things in a Tchernobyl aspect and that the Japanese government is now asking US military personnel to spray water on the reactors from the air?

    How about concrete? Remember that, doing this from helicopters, the Soviet pilots at Tchernobyl died from radiation exposure.

    Believe me, having Cesium-137 spread out over the Tokyo area is a billion times worse than having 20,000 people die in a Tsunami.

    The effects of Cesium-137 contamination will make Tokyo an undesired place to live for 150 years.

    Tokyo real estate should crash in value (I would never buy Kiev real estate even now because the radioactive water table from Tchernobyl is inching closer to it even after 25 years).

    If US Republicans even try to take the pro-nuke-industry stance on this it will be all over for their chances in 2012.

    The nuke industry is trying to get a meme going now where “conservatives” should blast the left wing media for their “chicken little” coverage of Fukushima.

    It’s simply not a right-left issue. Remember, the left doesn’t want fossil fuels to be burned. Their politicians can be as easily corrupted.

    That said, these were incredibly old technology that should have been replaced long ago – but anti-nuke people prevented, ironically, the replacement of the bad old technology with safer reactors, which is why 23 old GE reactors, exactly like at Fukushima, are operating right now and the Vermont Yankee station is leaking radiation all the time.

    And, for the purpose of this blog, how many PUAs are going to Japan right now to clean up as so many Japanese women will want comfort?

    If you plan to go, note that most airlines refuse to fly to Tokyo now because Tokyo is going to get zapped in a few hours when the wind is predicted to change so the nuke cloud heads straight for them.

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  135. on March 15, 2011 at 12:33 pm Jerry

    The GE Mark One reactors were designed (in the late 50s or early 60s) so radioactive steam will have to be “vented” every once in a while. Safety experts have been yelling for 40 years about the need to shut these old reactors down.

    Nobody listened.

    There are 100 of these ethically challenged design results still operating in the world (minus a few now).

    Germany just took a few more offline (announced today, so it will take a few days to actually happen and one hopes the cooling systems work when they do this).

    It will be interesting to see what happens this year with Vermont Yankee.

    I hope the GOP does not make the mistake of politicizing anything about that. Otherwise Vermont will vote Obama in 2012.

    Etc.

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  136. on March 15, 2011 at 12:47 pm Jerry

    The smartest thing the GOP can do in the wake of the Japanese nuclear crisis (more serious than losing 20,000 due to natural causes) is to point out that a government unbeholden to its people will screw up. I don’t think the Japanese people knew how dangerous the old GE reactors from the 1970s are (that were designed in the 50s and 60s).

    This fits the theme of this thread as well.

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  137. on March 15, 2011 at 1:04 pm Doug1

    Jerry–

    Example: How many have clearly understood from the media reporting that the Fukushima Reactor #2 has blown its own containment vessel? That’s a million times worse than the simple hydrogen explosions in the other buildings.

    Has it REALLY? Crimie. Thank god the winds are out into the Pacific now.

    Give us a link or two.

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  138. on March 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm Jerry

    Tchernobyl reactor 4 was apparently critical when it blew while the Fukushima reactors were “shutting down” thus causing the media to say that this probably won’t be like Tchernobyl. But that doesn’t mean that Fukushima 2 can’t go critical again and burn for months like Tchernobyl did.

    The big question now is whether there will be Japanese men with a samurai spirit who will, probably, give their lives (severely shorten them) to keep the same thing from happening with the other reactors.

    You can be sure these men will not be rewarded with sex.

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  139. on March 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm Doug1

    If our super aircraft carrier Reagan doesn’t stand way off from that downwind plume I’m gonna be mega pissed at Obama.

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  140. on March 15, 2011 at 1:13 pm Jerry

    @Doug1

    I really hope I’m wrong about a containment vessel breach.

    It’s just that things aren’t adding up.

    I’m reading between the lines in the major media that the containment vessel broke in Daiichi Number Two (Daichi means first in Japanese, meaning it was apparently the first nuclear plant built in Japan).

    But there are plenty of sites reporting this as fact as well.

    Set up a Google Alert for Containment Vessel + Breach.

    Most airlines are refusing to go to Tokyo at the moment. That wouldn’t happen if this were just a “venting” problem from the container (where, from what I’ve heard of this old model reactor, a human being, a male of course, has to go from the control building to the reactor and turn a wheel, thus subjecting himself to a lifetime’s worth of radiation every time managers believe the pressure inside the containment vessel needs to be relieved with a release of radioactive steam into the environment – normally this steam doesn’t contain Cesium-137 or anything that will stay radioactive for more than 7 seconds).

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  141. on March 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm Thor

    @jerry
    “But that doesn’t mean that Fukushima 2 can’t go critical again and burn for months like Tchernobyl did. ”

    Now you are really getting funky. I am not up to date
    just now on the situation in Japan, I will follow this.
    Nasty scenarios are at least possible.

    But one thing you can be SURE will not happen is that
    the reactor will “go critical” again. That just doesn’t happen.
    You don’t seem to know much about nuclear engineering,
    or nuclear physics!

    Thor

    Oh, and it is spelled Chernobyl in English, Чернобыль in Russian (Ukrainian is only slightly different). The Tchernobyl spelling is probably German.

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  142. on March 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm Jerry

    @Doug1

    Forecast for Wednesday is that the winds will shift toward Tokyo.

    If that happens, the government can no longer lie if that is what it has been doing.

    I hope like Hell that a shifted wind brings nothing serious. I really want to be wrong about this.

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  143. on March 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm Jerry

    @Thor

    Yes, I was using the German spelling.

    I know enough about nuclear physics to assume that, if the core falls apart and the control rods are no longer doing their job, criticallity can be reached again.

    I hope I’m wrong about that. But there are experts out there saying that it can happen.

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  144. on March 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm Anonymous

    “how many PUAs are going to Japan right now to clean up as so many Japanese women will want comfort?”

    Those PUAs will hopefully be strung up by their necks or gutted in some alley.

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  145. on March 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm Me

    “Those PUAs will hopefully be strung up by their necks or gutted in some alley.”

    If they’re not doubled over from breathing the air.

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  146. on March 16, 2011 at 10:12 am John

    As much as the monopoly-protection/creation and human neurological uniformity dogma protection might be motives for this initiative, I’m surprised that neither Roissy nor the commentariat has thought of another entirely plausible consideration of the would-be gene-priests, especially given the entrenched legality of abortion: the possibility of do-it-yourself eugenics.

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  147. on March 16, 2011 at 10:31 am John

    more precisely, do-it-yourself precision eugenics (my coinage).

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