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The “I Can Leave If You Want” Shit Test

March 14, 2011 by CH

Some shit tests are encountered so often and from so many different women that they deserve their own category. The shit test in the subject heading of this post is one of them.

Imagine you are at a social venue. It is nighttime. You open two girls mingling next to you, making a funny comment about an accessory one of the girls is wearing. She sidles up closer to you and the game is on.

Five minutes into your conversation, after you have delivered a subtle neg about the hokey accent she is trying to conceal, she assumes a feigned look of indignation and huffily says “I can leave if you want”.

You are a pro at this, so you know it is a shit test. No beta you, obsequiously backpedaling is therefore not an option. What do you say?

***

The above is a real life example of a pickup in action. The “I can leave if you want” shit test has a few permutations. You will likely hear it said the following ways:

“I can go back to my friends if you want.”

“I can leave if that’s what you want.”

“Do you want me to return to my friends?”

“Do you want me to leave?”

“I can see I’m not wanted here.”

You get the picture. What’s amazing about this shit test is its omnipresence. It’s almost as if girls are genetically encoded to spit out lines worded exactly like those above when they want to know whether the man who is speaking with them is an alpha male. Act contrite for pushing her to say that, and you will fail, branded a bleating betaboy by her hindbrain. But act like she’s full of shit, or adorably bratty, and she will swoon with rising desire.

Note: You will rarely hear this line spoken by any girl less than a 7 in looks. This is strictly a hot girl phenomenon. Ugly girls have gotten too little positive feedback from men to successfully indulge their universal female need for shit testing. They have learned through the harsh instantaneous feedback of the sexual market to suppress their worst instincts, in other words.

Good answers to the above scenario would be:

– Nothing. Ignore and plow. This is my go-to reaction for any over-the-top shit test from a woman. The trick to ignoring shit tests is practicing your poker face. You absolutely cannot allow a hint of a weak, ingratiating smile to slip through your stone cold face. Your smile after she unloads a brazen shit test will be interpreted as guilt. You may smirk, but do so with dark clouds in your eyes.

– “You seem to think you know what I want. Are you a mindreader?”

– “Yeah, your friends are probably waiting for you.” This is a massive takeaway/disqualification. If she is interested in you, she will sulk off, only to return five minutes later. Do NOT follow her, or re-approach her. If you drop this DQ, you have to be prepared to call her bluff. If she is VERY interested in you, she won’t go anywhere. She’ll just give you that open-mouthed wide-eyed stare that cats sometimes get when they catch a whiff of catnip. Only use this line if her friends are nearby and you can motion to them.

– “Are you always this dramatic?” I like this one because it is a powerful reframe. Most girls will bite on this, and you can relax as she insists she is not a drama queen.

– “Oh, so that’s how it’s going to be.” Ambiguity is just another tool in the alpha male’s arsenal of seduction. Again, this is the kind of cheeky conversational red meat that girls can’t resist probing for elucidation. And once a girl is probing, she begins to see you as a mate prospect.

– “We’ll see.” Girls love a challenge, especially one that challenges them to impress men.

Any of the above shit test busting replies should be preceded with a borderline uncomfortable moment of silence, so that she has a few seconds to spin up her hamster while she’s figuring out how you’re going to respond.

Maxim #105: Pregnant pauses are the player’s best friend.

What you shouldn’t say in reply:

“Do whatever you want. I don’t care.”

A lot of guys think this pose of indifference sounds alpha, but it sounds like what it is: a pose. You really want to avoid anything that she could interpret as spitefulness or hurt feelings. If you have excellent body language, you can pull this off, but most guys I have seen attempt the forced pose of indifference come off poorly.

“I don’t believe you. You don’t want to leave.”

Any kind of reply that insinuates she is attracted to you will activate her anti-slut defense mechanism. Once a girl has turtled into her reputation-preserving shell, the pickup is nigh over. Plus, this sort of reply sounds kind of cheesy. Sexually-tinted replies are as liable to backfire as they are to work if used during the first few minutes of a pickup.

***

Know that when a girl says “I can leave if you want” what she’s really saying is “I’m intrigued by you and it’s making me horny, so I need to tell myself that I can walk off without regret, even if it’s not true. I mean, it’s not like I’m a SLUT or anything!”

So much of how women perceive the world and how they interact with men revolves around negotiating with the specter of sluttiness that looms like a double-edged sword over the core of their feminine natures.

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  1. on March 14, 2011 at 4:03 pm Wouldn't you like to know

    I’ve done this before. Only once. It wasn’t a shit test. The guy really was being a douche. He gave the “do whatever you want …” line, with poor delivery like you said. It was lame and I left. Avoided his calls after that.

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  2. on March 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm Gorbachev

    Once again, precise as a laser beam.

    This is strictly a hot girl phenomenon.

    7 or better only. 6.5 if you’re in a place with lots and lots of very ugly chicks (average American town) and lots of attractive men.

    On advice: Just make sure you’re not activating the ASD.

    I’ve been presented with this exactly twice. I don’t like picking up women in bars, as a rule, where this sort of thing plays itself out. Response both times:
    “It’s a free world. I won’t stop you.”

    In both cases, she stayed.

    Usually I’d just plow through this and ignore it. Works a treat with most shit tests.

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  3. on March 14, 2011 at 4:17 pm maurice

    “Yeah, your friends are probably waiting for you”- this is the best one, a variant of agree & amplify.

    Does anyone else think conditions in Japan now are perfect for the emergence of Godzilla? Look at it:

    — huge undersea earthquake
    — massive fires at refineries, destruction of industrial base
    — explosions at nuclear power plants
    — possible nulear meltdown

    C’mon, big guy! This is your moment. We’ve seen this movie before.

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  4. on March 14, 2011 at 4:19 pm Corporal Hicks

    I like the re-frame because it’s easier to remember. The trick is to BUST on absolutely anything she says.

    e.g.

    Kupcake: “I can leave if you want…”

    AAA guy:

    1 – (after pregnant pause) So, you’re going to bless us with your absence, then?

    2 – diaper change?

    3 – please do, and fix your make-up before coming back…

    4 – are you related to RuPaul?

    5 – I think you deserve an Emmy for best DRAMA…

    Shooting fish in a barrel, boys. Just BUST on every word…

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  5. on March 14, 2011 at 4:21 pm Oeyamigo

    “…and don’t forget my drink when you come back.”

    Now most 7+ will not come back with that drink if they come back. But when they have come back, they get reminded to get that drink. 9 out of 10 returnees comply, after been told just once. (6 of 10 have been returnees) (Results much higher with eastern Euros.)

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  6. on March 14, 2011 at 4:29 pm bictopia

    A good reply would be indifference,
    if i would say, i can leave if you want, a good reply from him would be. -im sorry i don’t know what you talk about, please explain, in the most calm or even teasing voice, it would be bad if the guy would be reassuring or neglecting or hurt.
    ah well, Roissy said it better.

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  7. on March 14, 2011 at 4:33 pm Calex

    Good one. I failed it a couple of times.
    Now i just ignore it.

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  8. on March 14, 2011 at 4:36 pm bictopia

    @ Maurice, i thought it was simply 2012 coming soon…

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  9. on March 14, 2011 at 4:38 pm G.L. Piggy

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “That’s true.”

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “Yes…You can.” (pregnant pause and a look that implies that you are thinking deeply about the issue)

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “OK. Do you mind taking this for me?” (hand her a sack of garbage)

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  10. on March 14, 2011 at 4:42 pm G.L. Piggy

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “OK, but you can’t get back in without your stamp.”

    “What stamp?”

    “This one” (whip out your cock and mushroom stamp her forehead)

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  11. on March 14, 2011 at 4:47 pm Rox

    What do you answer to these two shit-tests, said at the same time, by a 6-7:

    “Are you happy with me?”

    “Are you happy with our relationship?”

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  12. on March 14, 2011 at 4:53 pm The End

    How about just using cave man game as a response. Just smack her ass, throw you arm around her shoulder, say “yup we are leaving”, and drag her out. I think this would only work on big, Alpha guys though, not those of us of normal height.

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  13. on March 14, 2011 at 4:53 pm Eduard - People Skills Decoded

    This reminds me of line from John Travolta: “I hate to see you leave but I love to watch you walk away” 🙂

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  14. on March 14, 2011 at 4:58 pm Calex

    @The End

    The bigger & more alpha you look, the tougher it is to pull cave man shit. Same goes for excessive cockiness.

    I’m 6’4″, 220 lbs, ripped, bearded and tattooed, and find it easier to play it on the nicer side of the street.

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  15. on March 14, 2011 at 4:58 pm Snoeperd

    Happened to me once. I could barely suppress my laugh and told her; “If you wanna go, go!” while waving my hand (palm up). Well she left to speak to her friends and didn’t re-engage.

    So what would you have done in that situation roissy?

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  16. on March 14, 2011 at 4:59 pm collegeslacker

    “Yeah. you’re friends are probably waiting for you”

    Golden, I’ve done that before and it works like crazy. Also, if she’s very interested she will most likely punch you in the shoulder cause she can’t believe you said it. Major DQ for the win.

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  17. on March 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm Voodude

    “Good idea. Let’s go back to my place.”

    Depending on how playful the leadup was, of course…

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  18. on March 14, 2011 at 5:07 pm j r

    This is one that never ends. I’ve had girls in my bed, half-naked talking that “I can leave if you want me to” nonsense.

    It should be noted that the faster you go from first meet to in bed, the more of these tests you’re going to get. It’s kind of like the “OK, I’ll come back for a drink, but don’t expect anything to happen.” If a girl wants to leave, she’ll just leave. Statements like that are just her fishing for the beta in you.

    It’s classic ASD, the more a girl is about to do something “out of character” for her, the more she turns into Donkey Kong reigning barrels down on top of you.

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  19. on March 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Rox

    SERIOUS shit-test

    Any time Kupcake wants to talk about the “RELATIONSHIP,” the hamster has entered the cow pasture and wants to throw some serious manure. No doubt.

    Kupcake: Are you happy with our relayyyytionship???

    1- AAA: (scratching ‘nads) Honey, did you buy that motor oil for me today? I’ll tune up your car in no time….

    2 – AAA: Damn! I promised Nails I’d be there for poker tonight! Honey, pick up a six-pack for when I get back, will ya? Gotta go!

    3 – AAA: Do I look like a soap opera star? Do I? What are you, practicing your lines on me or something? Puh-leez…

    The idea is to get her lovingly frustrated at your manliness (gee, he won’t talk about this stuff…I wonder if any cute girls will be at that poker game? Gee, am I good enough for him? I’d better pick up Chinese AND a six-pack for when he gets back…)

    That’s pretty much it, friend.

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  20. on March 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm Migz

    What about some beta male mockery ad absurdum like :

    “Please don’t go! If you did I’d go home and kill myself.”

    Implying that you want her to stay but if she leaves its no big deal.

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  21. on March 14, 2011 at 5:15 pm redshirt

    “I’ll tell you when I want you to leave” (continue plowing)

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  22. on March 14, 2011 at 5:17 pm D

    I think I detected an inconsistency in proposed responses.

    He proposed a “We’ll see” as a response, because women love a challenge. But isn’t there a sexual undercurrent in that response, because wouldn’t the guy be somewhat implying that there is a gravitational field of attraction present that she really doesn’t want to break away from.

    But then later in the post he says that “any kind of reply that insinuates that she is attracted to you will activate” her shielding mechanisms.

    So isn’t the “We’ll see” response running the risk of activating her shields?

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  23. on March 14, 2011 at 5:22 pm Tier3

    @Snoeperd, I’m not really good at this kind of thing but to me what you said and how you said it may have seemed too ‘poser-ish’ or slightly bitter. Anyone else have any thoughts?

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  24. on March 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Just burp in her face or grab a boobie. Who gives a fuck what she says.

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  25. on March 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm D

    I’m going to use the response: “Are you always so dramatic?”

    That’s a question that changes the conversational temperature so to speak. And of course she’ll insist she’s not “dramatic,” but she’ll do so in a very dramatic way.

    Which then invites the observation: “So hold it, so now you’re dramatically insisting that you’re not dramatic, —– is that it?”

    Gotcha!

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  26. on March 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm D

    AND THEN after that, YOU REMIND HER that she suggested that she wanted to see her friends, who you say are surely wanting to speak to her.

    I wonder how that would go.

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  27. on March 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm Spuz

    What about
    “No, I don’t want you to leave”?

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  28. on March 14, 2011 at 5:46 pm Thor

    How about something like:

    “We-e-ell, you may stay if you tone it down
    (if it was the accent, otherwise substitute
    ‘if you keep it out of sight’ or whatever fits.)

    Thor

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  29. on March 14, 2011 at 5:46 pm walawala

    @Spuz
    What about
    “No, I don’t want you to leave”?

    This one plays into her frame and sets you up as sounding needy.

    A better one would be “Yah, but you don’t want to…”

    Her: She would say “Why not?”

    You: “Then you’d miss out on the chance to buy me a drink….”

    More cocky banter.

    You: No I don’t want you to leave.

    Her: Yah, well…I gotta go.

    You: looking like dork for being needy. What can you say then? “uh ok…”

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  30. on March 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm Schmoe

    @maurice
    Emergence of Godzilla? What do you think caused all that catastrophe. It’s a guvmint coverup, I tell ya.

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  31. on March 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm Doug1

    Chateau–

    “I can go back to my friends if you want.”

    “I can leave if that’s what you want.” Etc.

    What I immediately thought when reading this, before reading your offered sample good and bad responses, is that I’d say:

    “Yes you can. If that’s what you really want.”

    The offered responses include variations on this. But I also like “Are you always such a drama queen?” Especially in response to her follow up response to the above, such as “Well you’re being kinda mean/rude to me” or “well I just want to know what you want, since you’re acting indifferent towards me.”

    The bottom line is that this shite test is subconsciously seeing if you’ll back down and qualify your neg or aloofness and to try to get you to chase and give her higher value.

    Your not directly expressed back story is that no you aren’t trying to shoo her away but you’re also not going to go into chase mode. You’re from abundance and have options.

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  32. on March 14, 2011 at 6:00 pm askjoe

    Is this right, indignant and huffy from a joke? yeah, the beta side of my brain would reel from the thought of insulting a princess (if she was hot) and my alpha-ish side would make me jackassishly challenge her. So, good gouge.
    I imagine if you get this shittest instead of the kiss of death “I’ll be right back,” your game is tight enough to proceed and give the fish some slack on the line.

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  33. on March 14, 2011 at 6:01 pm Schmoe

    @Wouldn’t you like to know
    Uhh, right, you actually KNOW when you’re shit-testing. No, he failed, so in retrospect he was a douche. Go hamster, go!

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  34. on March 14, 2011 at 6:04 pm Doug1

    Spuz

    What about
    “No, I don’t want you to leave”?

    Beta with girls who are shite testing to see if you have lower SMV than they do, as hot girls almost always assume at first, unless your edgie guy hot girl attracting reputation precedes you.

    Only say something like that with girls you intuit think they might have lower SMV than you, and are genuinely hurt or feeling unwanted, rather than shite testing you and trying to assert hand.

    Better would be something like “Oh, did I hurt your feelings? I was just playing.”

    Even then it’s should be accompanied by some gentle teasing to go with.

    Once she is reassured, resume teasing. Push pull.

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  35. on March 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm Artful Dodger

    Here’s how I would play that?

    Her: I can leave if you want
    Me: And take away my sunshine? How will I ever go on?

    I wouldn’t take the “I can go back to my friends” line too seriously.

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  36. on March 14, 2011 at 6:15 pm Rox

    @Doug1 and walawala

    Could you please comment on the two shit-tests that I posted?

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  37. on March 14, 2011 at 6:16 pm argoz

    How about an over-the-top needy thing?

    she: Do you want me to go?
    he: Oh NO!! I couldn’t bare to be without you! What will I do!

    Then bring out your best asshole-grin and go back to your drink…

    The key would be to be over-the-top with the feigned neediness.

    Then again, that sounds like a lot of work. How about just a nice sigh and walk away…

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  38. on March 14, 2011 at 6:18 pm Surfed

    Well that’s two #105 Maxims. As they exist now they are all over the place with numerous same number listings. I have collected them and re-numbered them for immediate usage by Renegade/Roissy readers. To wit:

    Renegade’s/Roissy’s Maxims

    Maxim #1a: Women desire men of better quality than themselves.

    Maxim #2: Women are turned on by displays of male power.

    Maxim #3: Whenever an attractive girl tells you she hates assholes, or describes her experience in the past dating assholes and claims to avoid them now, or recites a laundry list of asshole-y things guys do that she disapproves of, you can bet your weight in gold bricks that she wants you to be an asshole to her.

    Maxim #4: Never trust a woman who is missing a sense of humor.

    Maxim #6: Never. Make. It. Easy. For. A. Woman.

    Maxim #7: Your girl will thank you for your steadfast devotion to your belief in yourself.

    Maxim #8: Always assume she is a slut. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.

    Maxim #9: The greater the age difference between the older man and the younger woman, the tighter his game will need to be, barring compensatory attributes (money).

    Maxim #10: Marriage is a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude.

    Maxim #11: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing.

    Maxim #12: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.

    Maxim #13: When in doubt, game.

    Maxim #14: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. Human nature says that you can‘t have it both ways.

    Maxim #15: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.

    Maxim #16: The two fundamental propositions are male choosiness and female abundance. All alpha males have these two mindsets in common. Corollary: Male choosiness and female abundance do not necessarily have to be true for the strategy of behaving as if they are true to be effective at seduction.

    Maxim #17: The alpha male thinks and acts more like a woman than a man in matters of seduction. He understands his adversary’s psychology, and uses it to allay her defenses.

    Maxim #18: Never talk about getting into a relationship even if she says that’s what she’s looking for.

    Maxim #19: Withholding sex is the tactic of a woman who has already lost. It is mutually assured destruction.

    Maxim #20: If a woman says the word “sex” in conversation with you or about you, no matter the context, it means she’s thinking about having sex with you.

    Maxim #21: Women are more pliable in the company of competing women.

    Maxim #22: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.

    Maxim #23: The vagina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations are secondary.

    Maxim #24: When in doubt, ask yourself “WWJD?” What Would a Jerk Do? Then do that.

    Maxim #25: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.

    Maxim #26: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.

    Maxim #27: If you want a wife, stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun, fun, fun” and “get bored easily”.

    Maxim #28: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by it.

    Maxim #29: Xenophobia is good for diversity.

    Maxim #30: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

    Maxim #31: If you plan on cheating and subsequently get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.

    Maxim #32: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error when needed.

    Maxim #33: Women need to test men for their grace under pressure.

    Maxim #34: If she’s hot, why would she bother with online dating?

    Maxim #35: Never trust a woman’s advice on how to please women. Her advice is designed for alpha men she already finds attractive and from whom she seeks signals of attainability and commitment.

    Maxim #36: A woman’s sex and relationship advice isn’t meant to help men; it’s meant to distract men from what really works to attract women.

    Maxim #37: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.

    Maxim #38: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.

    Maxim #39: The worst thing to happen to women in America was women’s suffrage.

    Maxim #40: Men are becoming ever bigger betas in their dealings with women. Men are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.

    Maxim #41: The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who excites you. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself.

    Maxim # 42: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy blowjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.

    Maxim #43: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for assholes is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but shit attracts the most well-fed flies.

    Maxim #44: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.

    Maxim #45: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.

    Maxim #46: Whenever you hear or read the words “gender”, “gendered”, “gendered norm”, “subtle gender bias”, or “increasingly egalitarian, yet there remains…” know that you are dealing with a leftwing moonbat, blank-slate believing fruitcake who cannot deal with the fact that men and women are biologically different from birth.

    Maxim #47: Awareness of a woman’s games is a precision-guided weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction.

    Maxim #48: Respect the momentum.

    Maxim #49: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyper-rationalize their sub-par mate choice.

    Maxim #50: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.

    Maxim #51: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.

    Maxim #52: Underneath the veneer of civilized discourse we act in ways that are brazenly self-interested in the short term.

    Maxim #53: All kneel before the god of biomechanics, by sword or by surrender.

    Maxim #54: When a woman has incentive to lie, she will choose lying over honesty EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Maxim #55: The prime directive of the alpha male is fornication. Anything which hinders the fulfillment of the prime directive is to be vanquished as a foe or excised from the mind as a cancer.

    Maxim #55: Run for your Life Shit Tests:
    BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman.
    When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the shit test of ALL shit tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this shit test, you are RUINED. FOR. LIFE.

    Maxim #56: Waving a roll of benjamins at a woman will not give her tingles. In fact, it will often do the opposite.

    Maxim #57: When a girl emphatically insists she is so over you, she’s never been more into you.

    Maxim #58: Betas pay, alphas split, super alphas profit.

    Maxim #59: A woman’s standards are like a house of cards: kick out one from the bottom and the whole edifice crashes down.

    Maxim #60: As women’s bodies age and weaken, their rationalization hamsters grow bigger and stronger. Eventually, the hamster is powerful enough to take control of all higher order consciousness.

    Maxim #61: The more expensive or thoughtful the gift you give a girl, the greater the risk that she will subconsciously begin to think she is too good for you.

    Corollary to Maxim #61: If you are dating out of your league, or you are dating a young hot babe in her prime, you should do the exact opposite of what everyone will tell you to do — *don’t* buy her expensive gifts. Be particularly wary of advice from women. No woman in the world is capable of thinking clearly or impartially on the matter of “acceptable” levels of male provisioning. Even old, fat hausfrau hogs will expect mountains of jewels in offerings from men.

    Maxim #62: Where there’s incentive, there are lies.

    Maxim #62: Pregnant pauses are the player’s best friend.

    Maxim #63: Consensual polyamory is a contrived hookup service for undesirable sexual market rejects.

    Maxim #64: Use of the word “disenfranchised” or other similar nomenclature of deconstructivist post-modern pablum automatically discredits an argument for serious consideration.

    Maxim #65: Chicks dig guys willing to risk an early, gruesome death. Expendability is a DHV.

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  39. on March 14, 2011 at 6:21 pm Equis

    @ j r

    have very very similar story form this past weekend displaying ASD to the ^10. very fast meet to fast in bed.

    fully naked

    on morning after 1st date:
    kupcake: “um i can’t believe i had sex with you on the first date, I have never done that before!”
    me: [umm.. just looked at her oddly]

    i knew this was a shit test but couldnt think of the right reply, semi-ignore without a plow through, bad idea. showed indifference without the Stone Cold glare = fail.

    night 2:
    managed to get 1/2 as much sex as first night.

    night 3/4: NADA.
    kupcake: “no, im not having sex with you. Yet. I mean right now. later we will.”
    me: wtf, wtf, wtf …. “your lucky youve got a guy like me, who wants sex all the time”… her rationalization distracted me, yet again
    kupcake: “yeah i guess that is better than the alternative”

    fail. Anti-Slut-Defense mechanism shown in full force. im going with “dramatic” next time, with a full entree of stone cold indifference.

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  40. on March 14, 2011 at 6:26 pm julian

    offtopic:

    a question wrt to female hypergamy.

    i have been closely studying all of the couples i see in and around school, work, on the street and in transit. i live in an urban metropolis on the west coast.

    from what i can see when it comes to pure objective looks most couples match up. i rarely see couples that are wildly divergent when it comes to pure aesthetics. at times i will see a man who is better looking than the female and also the reverse but i would say it’s less than 5%. hence, my question is how does this fit into the idea that women are always trading up ?

    perhaps women only trade up when it comes to looks in a casual sex setting. obviously there is no way to test this. i guess one could troll night clubs and observe the dynamics of a one night stand to see if the men women are choosing to sleep with are 1 point higher than them in looks and or have serious game.

    but when it comes to ltr’s my anthropological observations see that couples match up pretty evenly.

    thoughts ?

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  41. on March 14, 2011 at 6:41 pm Acksiom

    “That’s kinda fast. You should get to know me better before you start doing whatever I want.”

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  42. on March 14, 2011 at 6:44 pm askjoe

    These feelings faded away to uselessness once I realized that I have no obligation to ensure the peace of mind or social ease of any woman I have gamed or am considering gaming. What’s more, with experience came the understanding that “awkward” situations which would make betas cringe and search for the nearest exit are in fact opportunities to increase the attraction voltage, and that they work on almost any woman.

    Just came across that passage, so I guess a “go ahead leave” would beat what turns out to be a beat-ish “don’t leave yet, you still amuse me.”

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  43. on March 14, 2011 at 6:45 pm senseiern

    Thanks for the refocus, Roissy. I needed it.

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  44. on March 14, 2011 at 6:46 pm Anonymous

    Yeah? So can I, you really want that?

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  45. on March 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm what

    @Acksiom
    “That’s kinda fast. You should get to know me better before you start doing whatever I want.”

    I LIKE this one! hehe!!

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  46. on March 14, 2011 at 6:52 pm cynical optimist

    Had this one this morning from a chick i was in bed with

    Her: your so lucky to have me?? this while getting into her gym gear not even looking at me WTF

    ME: ah ha ye just dont tell youself how lucky you are im half naked in your bed!!!!

    Hamster takes a mild stroke and falls out of its wheel
    (place for ya four legged runt)

    Her: would you like toast with you tea??

    ME: milk and two throw over the remote while your at it.

    BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  47. on March 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm Doug1

    Rox

    What do you answer to these two shit-tests, said at the same time, by a 6-7:

    “Are you happy with me?”

    “Are you happy with our relationship?”

    Two background things:

    1) the real issue isn’t what her SMV is in absolute terms, but rather what she things the relative SMV differences are between you. She’s most likely gonna think about what are your options to get what you want from other hot or hotter girls, compared to her ability to get a relationship with an as hot or hotter guy. So in other words if you’re an alpha 9 or a lesser alpha 8, the answer is gonna be different that if she thinks you’re a 6-7 yourself. The larger the gap in SMV favoring you in her eyes, the more reassurance as opposed to aloof teasing is likely to be called for.

    2) This is likely to be something she’ll say a good ways at least into a relationship rather than early on. So this is going to be highly context dependent. You haven’t given us enough to go on. Is she genuinely hurt by something? Is she using this gambit as a way to try to lure you into a sexually exclusive commitment you’re not ready to give, but you otherwise are happy about your relationship with her.

    Without more to go on, I’d say if you’ve got a SMV advantage of a point or two over her, I’d say something like:

    “Poor baby, are you feeling insecure? But sure, you’re mostly a pretty fun and sexy girl. [Insert light relationship history appropriate neg here.]” Then open up your arms and say “My baby needs a hug.”

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  48. on March 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm Wouldn't you like to know

    Julian,

    I think when it is mentioned that women trade up the notion is not exclusive to looks but more so in terms of finances and status. The guy may be equally attractive or less, but he may be more financially secure or hold higher social title, status or education than the woman and perhaps other men in that gen. pop.

    But yeah I too have noticed that most couples are equally yoked in looks if all things are even. They even kind of tend to look like one another. I’ve noticed this especially in married couples.

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  49. on March 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm what

    Try saying :

    ” ohhhh reeeally?” say it slowly, with a smirk and the eye contact needs to be seductive and filled with doubt..that she REALLY wants to leave.

    I do this alllllll the time with my guy! hahhaha!! ….when I am pretending to be mad! lol!! hehehhe!! Is not so much what I say, but my body language. ……. the use of the eyes to the side, head to the side and downwards, maybe add a little hair/bangs tossing ( that’s the advantage of having long hair or bangs hehe!!!);and the ultimate are the lips..pouty with slight undertone of disapproving!!! lol!!hahhaa!! He can never resists that!!!!hee! hee! Here, I’ll try it tonight!! hahha!!

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  50. on March 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm 771/2

    her: I can leave if you want

    you: no, i’m not through with you yet

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  51. on March 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm The Bastard

    They key to passing a shit test is to eliminate any room for a smartarse, face saving reply.
    “Friends are probably waiting for you” can be countered with “Yeah and they’re not too cheap to buy me a drink” or something similar.
    “Are you a mindreader ?” invites her to insult your intelligence, you get the picture. My choice would be to call out her pouting and shut her down.

    Why don’t we just pretend you already left, thought better of it and came back. Let’s move on.

    No you better stay. I’ve already broken too many hearts and don’t want you crying and messing your makeup.

    Shit tests are like boxing a spar. Shut down every job and never leave yourself open.

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  52. on March 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm trogdor

    i think for all these shit tests we should simply turn around and make a little chocolate swirl on her shoes

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  53. on March 14, 2011 at 7:14 pm chic noir

    betas get your mental togeather.

    http://www.fxckfeelings.com/

    trogdor, well you know women say men are dogs anyway.

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  54. on March 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm Rox

    @Doug1

    Thanks!
    I would say my SMV is 2-2.5 points above hers.
    She wasn’t hurt. We were cuddling and thats how she said that.

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  55. on March 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm artofclueless

    “Do whatever you want” – if I hadn’t read this article today and went out tonight and was asked that, that’s exactly what I would have said. Dang.

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  56. on March 14, 2011 at 7:25 pm Gmac

    Wow there are a lot of bad (beta) comments in this one.

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  57. on March 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm Finger's Breath

    I can tell this is strictly a move used during pickup. I’ve gotten this from girlfriends during arguments. How do you handle it then?

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  58. on March 14, 2011 at 7:52 pm Doug1

    Rox–

    Then I’d say go with the last paragraph of my response to you.

    If she asks you something along the lines of “really WHY are you attracted to me?”, then she does need more reassurance with that gap, and start telling her about her strong points. Put weight on the non beauty ones, though do say she’s hot. Things like she’s smart, she’s curious, fun, we mesh well together, etc. But plausible stuff at least, and true stuff better.

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  59. on March 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm Acksiom

    Rox, adding on to Doug1’s advice —

    Just don’t tell her about her strong points *in general*. From you that should be ultra high level reward material and only rarely doled out, such as when she’s so miserably down on herself that it’s getting in the way of your enjoyment of life.

    Instead, tell her about her ‘strong points’ within the context of the things she does and characteristics that she has which you like and/or want to encourage.

    “Remember when you got me those new headbands? Not only did you notice I needed them on your own, but I’m a free man, so nobody ever does anything for me. That was special.”

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  60. on March 14, 2011 at 8:39 pm Feh

    Normally I just indifferently grunt at this bullshit, but some conversational reframe is better at forcing her to play defense and stay engaged.

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  61. on March 14, 2011 at 8:55 pm Rake

    @Roissy:

    How about “Yeah, my friends are probably waiting for me” ?
    Agree/Amplify Frame change ? Or did I miss the point somewhere?

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  62. on March 14, 2011 at 9:07 pm Feh

    “Yes, when you’re young, curfew is a bitch.”
    “Roommates are more trouble than they’re worth, aren’t they?”
    “If you stay, someone will have to carry you home.”
    “I will never recover. How can you be so cold?”

    But if you’re 2 points above her, why the effort?

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  63. on March 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm Samson

    “Yeah, your friends are probably waiting for you.”

    I’m going to have to ask for clarification here. I don’t understand why this works, or how it is really substantively different from “I don’t care; do whatever you want.”

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  64. on March 14, 2011 at 9:46 pm Mark

    “Yeah, you can…” then change the subject.

    Trying to banter or joke on a line like that gives it too much power. Not worth the effort…

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  65. on March 14, 2011 at 9:58 pm topo

    How about “of course you can?”

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  66. on March 14, 2011 at 9:59 pm chic noir

    Gmac Wow there are a lot of bad (beta) comments in this one.

    you must be new here 😉

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  67. on March 14, 2011 at 10:00 pm RedEmperor

    In Ireland and Britain, you’ll see 3s, 4s and 5s act like this: Probably the most entitled women on earth: 5s think they’re 10s. You need to neg the living daylights out of all women here, even the Rosanne clones (and they are many).

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  68. on March 14, 2011 at 10:05 pm psycho

    Do you really think that a bone deep beta, fronting a hottie for the first time in a highly stimulating environment is going to have the spare brain capacity to remember any of this shit; or to craft the appopriate, nuanced variant?

    Game is a coping mechanism for men without balls. Another “work around” for actually becoming a psychologically dominant male.

    The only response to any shit test is a poker faced no response. There, nothing to remember. Whenever I watch you PUAs in the field you look like dancing monkeys with your “witty” comebacks that you quickly spit out with such glee.

    Don’t some of you ever get tired of beating off to this crap and actually want to have sex, with a woman, that is?

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  69. on March 14, 2011 at 10:06 pm Trimegistus

    “If you’re good you can stay.”

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  70. on March 14, 2011 at 10:11 pm StrikeforceMorituri

    @Oeyamigo

    …and don’t forget my drink when you come back.I think I’m going to try that one really soon….

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  71. on March 14, 2011 at 10:22 pm almost 40 yoV

    http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mgtow-general-forum/834-what-does-guy-do-his-spare-time-who-doesnt-have-pussy-brain.html

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  72. on March 14, 2011 at 10:27 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “I can go back and get butthexed by my friends if you want.”

    “I can buthexx elsewhere if that’s what you want.”

    “Do you want me to butthex my friends?”

    “Do you want me to bttehetxxhxuallly go?”

    “I can see I’m not gonna get buctcgenexed here here.”

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  73. on March 14, 2011 at 10:36 pm Mazrim

    Calling the bluff is a favorite of mine. They never expect it. Gotta have a good poker face to not burst out laughing when you see their reactions, though.

    In a similar vein, I had a weird experience a few months back that doesn’t quite make sense to me.

    I was on a business trip and stopped off at a bar my last night out to catch up with the bartender (an old buddy from college) before catching the red-eye home. There’s an early-twenties brunette there who is easily an 8.5. She was a regular and the bartender knew her MO very well (she would scam at least half a dozen drinks for her and her friends from clueless betas on a decent night). Thanks to a warning from him, I was loaded for bear when she sidled up next to me at the bar. I had to be on a plane in 2 hours, so I had nothing to lose (I never mentioned any of this to her, of course).

    I strung her along for a little bit, not biting on anything. After 10-15 minutes, she made a comment about how I was, in her words, “dressed so presentably” (I was still wearing a dress shirt and nice jeans from my meeting that afternoon and was definitely overdressed for that bar). In response, I thought I’d try something a bit unexpected, and cocked my head in the direction of her friends saying “I think your friends are waiting for you” (they weren’t, they were busy chatting up a group of guys). Cue the pregnant pause as she stands there, trying to figure out how to respond. Eventually she sorta mumbles something like “I…um…ok” and wanders off. I figured that was the last I’d see of her.

    15 minutes later I’m leaving, and she follows me outside. A minute of two of making out later, I pull away and flag down a taxi to take me to the airport. Not a single word was said outside.

    I understand the bluff calling and the alpha vibe it gives off, but I can’t figure out why dismissing her pre-emptively would have that result. When I said it, I really didn’t think I’d hear anything more from her that night.

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  74. on March 14, 2011 at 10:45 pm Insight

    This is how Game is done for the Federation. Roissy’s got nothing on Khan.

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  75. on March 14, 2011 at 10:45 pm Rox

    @ Doug1 and Acksiom

    Thanks! I have a question though: wouldn’t that make me seem like a drooling beta or at least plant a seed in her brains that I *can* be a beta and only encourage further shit-testing?

    So far she didn’t shit-test me much, and has been quite compliant, everything on my own terms, never flaked once. The reason why I am asking this is that I want to understand why she is in need of such reassurances.

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  76. on March 14, 2011 at 10:47 pm Insight

    How about replying, “I’ll miss you” in a tone that indicates that you won’t really.

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  77. on March 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm driveallnight

    I’ve actually experienced this shit test recently.

    Her (laughing): “Shut up! That’s it, I’m going back to my friends’ table.”

    Me (also laughing): “Ok, but they’re probably just gonna make fun of you too.”

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  78. on March 14, 2011 at 11:16 pm The_King

    Either

    “Do it. (pause) You won’t. (smirk)” Note: If she does, don’t give a shit. She’ll come back.

    or

    “That guy (beta loser) looks like he needs a shoulder. You should go comfort him since your so nice.”

    or

    “Yeah”

    After she starts walking away.

    GRAB FOREARM!

    “Get me a glass of scotch… neat.” (Turn back and talk to another girl/party)

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  79. on March 14, 2011 at 11:17 pm Toby

    Roissy pretty much covered up all the answers that work.

    My favorite answer is “You seem to think you know what I want. Are you a mindreader?”

    I usually say it this way “Are you trying to read my mind?”

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  80. on March 14, 2011 at 11:31 pm Doug1

    Rox

    @ Doug1 and Acksiom

    Thanks! I have a question though: wouldn’t that make me seem like a drooling beta or at least plant a seed in her brains that I *can* be a beta and only encourage further shit-testing?

    So far she didn’t shit-test me much, and has been quite compliant, everything on my own terms, never flaked once. The reason why I am asking this is that I want to understand why she is in need of such reassurances.

    Well dude,this stuff at any decent level isn’t formulaic. It’s about game principles and calibration to her.

    You added a lot more information this time. So with this I’d say give a teasing, alpha negging response, designed to favor attraction (hard to get and dominant) over comfort.

    Calibration to her and her responses.

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  81. on March 15, 2011 at 12:07 am Nice Young Ladies

    This is a good post because it’s a bit more real, and half the dudes in the comments probably need it, because they seem like they’re in a fantasy land where they live vicariously through real alphas.

    I mean gosh, unless the lot of you guys are youngish, 6 foot +, chisel jawed, ripped and on $100k+ . . . real life hotties are just gonna walk away and not look back.

    I have no doubt we have some true alphas here. Not that many guys have the tact to pull off the sarcastic reply, I wouldn’t chance it. It’s as the host says, you must hold down that beta impulse to spit bitter beta venom. I assume most of the commentors here would have great difficulty.

    Thanks to Surfed for the list of maxims.

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  82. on March 15, 2011 at 12:12 am yitieiriutie

    Is there a post on the ‘Why?’ shit test? Nothing gets under my skin more than stupid questions like ‘Why would you…?’ ‘Why do you…?’

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  83. on March 15, 2011 at 12:24 am Acksiom

    Rox –

    Sometimes it’s useful to give her a little tease of potential betaness on your part. People can get accustomed to almost anything, and if you’re all alpha all the time, 24/7/365.25, they can end up with incredibly high default standards for you. So don’t fear acting beta; use it to your advantage, by *choice*. You should want to be able to adjust her assessment of you up and down at your will. It helps keep the relationship from getting stale and boring.

    Also, making other people happy is one of the purest and best joys we can experience in this life, and you shouldn’t categorically deny yourself that.

    The seed is in her brain regardless. It’s almost impossible to root it out. And it’s not just a female thing; human beings test each other all the time, both across and within gender, race, age, and all the other categories.

    My advice is to chunk up from this little stuff. Focus on the bigger picture of defining your goals as exactly as you can. And not just in terms of the relationship; define your desired accomplishments, possessions, skills, etc. A good trick for practicing the alpha mindset, BTW, is to not limit yourself to the ‘possible’ in these lists. Forex, I WANT a flying castle with all the fantastic amenities and able to travel FTL, through time, and into alternate dimensions; but for right now, in next life change, I’ll be SETTLING for a used bluewater catamaran. And in the long run, well, we’ll see what the singularity gets me for Xmas.

    Once you have that process of defining your goals underway — and it should become a core life habit; take them out and reevaluate them regularly — it’s much easier to examine your behavior for congruency with those goals. And the better you define them and your means of achieving them, the more naturally and automatically your non-conscious mind will present better suggestions and behaviors to achieve them, and the less time and energy you’ll have to expend on conscious direction.

    >The reason why I am asking this is that I want to understand why she is in need of such reassurances.

    That’s why you should not just define your goals, but keep trying to define them more and more explicitly. Ask yourself *why* you want to understand why she is in need of such reassurances. If the answer to that doesn’t suggest what you should do, keep tracking it back. Keep asking, ‘Well, why do I want that, then?’ Eventually you should get an answer that quickly and easily indicates one or more courses of action.

    Helpful?

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  84. on March 15, 2011 at 12:37 am Gladius

    @Insight

    Nice clip.

    That’s why the old Star Trek was actually watchable. The new one with Patrick Stewart had absolutely 0 moments of alpha. Kirk was alpha and Picard was a snivelling beta.

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  85. on March 15, 2011 at 1:00 am Bob Smith

    While we’re talking about shit tests, what do you do if she says “no” to something you ask her to do? Buy you a drink, make you dinner, do your laundry, whatever. There’s a “no way in hell you loser” no, and a defiant, “prove to me you’re worth it” no.

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  86. on March 15, 2011 at 1:18 am betondo fuchatuch

    Only heard that one twice.

    My reply was to order another Jack on the rocks, drink it as slowly as I drank the first one, and continue talking about whatever shit I was saying before they dropped that one.

    When I finished I said “I’m hungry. Let’s get something to eat”, or something like that. And I headed for the exit. That’s not a line – good food follows good booze.

    One lady’s leftovers really sucked (during the main event I remember regretting not grabbing a burger on the way). The other was a bad ass cook – her grub was much better than the dessert.

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  87. on March 15, 2011 at 1:46 am betondo fuchatuch

    @ insight.

    Khan is turbocharged and intercooled.

    Great contribution. The first 1:28 of that video answers about 95% of the questions men ask on this site. At least.

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  88. on March 15, 2011 at 2:18 am Anonymous

    Khan’s game is tight and then some!

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  89. on March 15, 2011 at 3:29 am Finnishguy

    What about:

    “I can leave if u want”

    “I dont find u boring, just got a bit distracted”

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  90. on March 15, 2011 at 4:27 am Rum

    Bitch say something wrong?
    Duct tape, Pepper spray, Astroglide.

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  91. on March 15, 2011 at 4:32 am Phoenix

    “I can leave if you want”
    “What for? The fun has just begun”

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  92. on March 15, 2011 at 5:01 am old guy

    @insight

    Thanx for the Khan clip !

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  93. on March 15, 2011 at 5:15 am Snoeperd

    @Tier3

    Maybe it did sound a bit too bitter. Maybe its better when you say, with a smile; “Well, we aren’t chained together now are we?” While waving your wrist in the air.

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  94. on March 15, 2011 at 7:55 am VI

    The first response that came to mind is:
    “Giving up so easily?”

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  95. on March 15, 2011 at 8:20 am cynical optimist

    @RedEmperor

    Now i have never heard a more appropiate statement,
    most priviliged on the earth and the additional prerequisites if there from the greater Dublin 4 area. LOIKE. fuck its annoying

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  96. on March 15, 2011 at 8:54 am Rollo Tomassi

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “When you come back, (pregnant pause),… bring the movies.”

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  97. on March 15, 2011 at 9:22 am askjoe

    a little ride with the hamster.
    http://andthatswhyyouresingle.com/2011/03/14/how-does-your-weight-affect-who-you-date/

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  98. on March 15, 2011 at 9:25 am Insight

    Thoughts from looking at that Kan clip again:

    – 1960’s – alpha males on TV were James T. Kirk and Kahn
    – 2010’s – alpha males on TV are Charlie Sheen and ?

    I weep for my country and what has been lost.

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  99. on March 15, 2011 at 9:26 am Insight

    Edit – “Khan”, not “Kan” or “Kahn”

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  100. on March 15, 2011 at 9:28 am walawala

    @Rox

    What do you answer to these two shit-tests, said at the same time, by a 6-7:

    “Are you happy with me?”

    “Are you happy with our relationship?”

    Context is important.

    These don’t sound so much as “shit-tests” as they do the ramblings of a woman who’s in love or falling for you and wants some type of reassurance.

    I got this from the very beginning of going out the girl I’m now seeing.

    I held back and gamed her at first.

    “Are you happy with me?”

    Me: I would be if you learned how to cook…

    “Are you happy with me?”

    Me: Of course not…shut up and kiss me…

    After a while I would mix these up with warm smiles and pulling her close.

    The point of game is that once you’ve established your alpha cred and shown you’re strong, chicks do want to see that they’re not wasting their time with some over-gaming playboy.

    Game is important in establishing that you can show you aren’t afraid she’ll leave you.

    But you can’t be a complete zombie or mumbling aloof guy. You come off as flakey and not worth her effort.

    Push-pull.

    Tease her.

    Then when you do tell her she means a lot to you… it will mean a lot more.

    Then you won’t be perceived as “beta” but more of a guy she wants to explore.

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  101. on March 15, 2011 at 9:33 am Orthodox

    “I can leave if you want.”
    “What I want is truck nuts. Can you still buy those?”

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  102. on March 15, 2011 at 10:54 am Workshy Joe

    Solid instruction.

    How about:

    “Yes, I can see that you’re not having any fun. Its probably best if you do leave.”

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  103. on March 15, 2011 at 10:57 am Nutz

    argoz

    How about an over-the-top needy thing?

    she: Do you want me to go?
    he: Oh NO!! I couldn’t bare to be without you! What will I do!

    Then bring out your best asshole-grin and go back to your drink…

    The key would be to be over-the-top with the feigned neediness.

    Then again, that sounds like a lot of work. How about just a nice sigh and walk away…

    That’s actually “Agree & Amplify” (to absurdity) which is one of the better methods for dealing with shit tests.

    As for Roissy’s comments, when sparring with shit tests I’d replace his attempts at being witty with “one word game” or as brief a reply as possible. His “we’ll see” is a good example of this style of response. The more concise you are the less likely you’ll be to fuck it up.

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  104. on March 15, 2011 at 10:59 am Nutz

    Rollo Tomassi

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “When you come back, (pregnant pause),… bring the movies.”

    LOL, I almost forgot about that! Then when she gets back you can offer her some Skittles.

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  105. on March 15, 2011 at 11:07 am xsplat

    “I can leave if you want”

    Snappy comebacks are fine if one comes up and it amuses you, but there is no need to reach for one. The author explains the go to mood for most all shit tests – silence and poker face. You can mix that up with frivolous incongruous replies if you like. It’s not like you feel pressured to reply to stuff she says. A lot of what a girls says you expect to be meaningless buzz – you are not compelled to deal with it.

    When a girl repeats and repeats meaningless buzz I don’t want to deal with, sometimes I deal with it, other times I STILL ignore it, and just change the subject.

    Buzz buzz buzz. Whatever. I’m working on grabbing your tits.

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  106. on March 15, 2011 at 11:07 am Rox

    @ Acksiom, walawala, and Doug1

    Thank you so much for your help!
    Couldn’t have asked for a better answer!

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  107. on March 15, 2011 at 11:09 am Bang Brussels

    “I can leave if you want”
    “Why? We didn’t have sex yet”

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  108. on March 15, 2011 at 11:43 am D

    What is the response to a girl you just opened, who within a minute or two gives the “I’ll be right back.”

    Someone earlier in the thread remarked that was a “kiss of death,” and it caused me to remember I got that last Summer, down in Wildwood, NJ.

    What’s a good response to that?

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  109. on March 15, 2011 at 11:44 am Doug1

    Insight–

    This is how Game is done for the Federation. Roissy’s got nothing on Khan.

    What a great game “in the movies” clip.

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  110. on March 15, 2011 at 11:46 am SV Warrior

    I always just said one word.

    “Bye” (keeping expression very neutral as if they had just said, “I liked the Beatles’ first album the best,”)

    Then I would turn my attention to someone or something else.

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  111. on March 15, 2011 at 12:24 pm epiclolz

    Ignore/Plow is probably the easiest one to not screw up. This is particularly good if you have aspergers. Homeless dudes and guys trying to hustle you their mixtapes are the best at this one.

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  112. on March 15, 2011 at 12:47 pm Alan

    Looking blank-faced and saying, “Howdaya mean?”, works for lots of situation, not just shit tests.

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  113. on March 15, 2011 at 1:38 pm Corporal Hicks

    @XSPLAT

    You are right, dude.

    To answer a stupid question/shite test verbally = Beta

    To offer nothing but silence and a cold stare = Alpha

    Less is indeed, more. Tough to execute in a talk-show culture.

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  114. on March 15, 2011 at 1:40 pm S-252

    There’s also the “I can leave you and find a new man anytime I want” shit test that is played in relationships.

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  115. on March 15, 2011 at 1:54 pm Insight

    @Doug1

    “What a great game “in the movies” clip.”

    Thank you. I found the application of game to hijack a Federation starship interesting.

    Game – is there anything it can’t do?

    BTW – Ricardo Montalban was in his mid to late 40’s when he did that. Chalk up another point for Roissy on how men are slow to age out of the SM.

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  116. on March 15, 2011 at 2:37 pm John Norman Howard

    As “FUCK YEAH!” thrilling as that Khan video was, it plays better in the movies and on TV than in the real-world… especially the wrist-twisting business.

    In the real world, instead of helping you fulfill your dreams of conquest, Kay aborts your son… her way of “stopping the Sicilian insanity”.

    Or maybe that was in the movies too. 😦

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  117. on March 15, 2011 at 3:17 pm Anonymous

    “I can leave if you want”

    “Bring da moviez… there may be some Skittles if you’re good.”

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  118. on March 15, 2011 at 3:25 pm askjoe

    @D
    “I’ll be right back” means you failed.
    Maybe the hosts have a snappy little retort but chances are you’ve come across as a spastic boner sporting, beta puppy and she wants to save you feelings while she runs for cover.

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  119. on March 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm Cauthon

    Re: I don’t care

    There is a concept in NLP about using the word don’t, or not, or any other negating word.

    When you use such a word, the human brain first has to process the affirmative action before it processes to not do that action.

    For instance, if you tell a child “Don’t touch the cookie jar,” the child will first think about touching the cookie jar, before the brain takes the next step of not touching the cookie jar.

    In the same vein, when you tell a girl, “I don’t care,” her brain will first think up what it means for you to care. Then she will process yours words as saying that you don’t care. But at that point, it’s too late. Her subconscious thinks you care.

    Reframe. “Child, eat the vegetables.” “Go play outside.”

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  120. on March 15, 2011 at 3:35 pm Cauthon

    Re: I don’t care

    A slightly better example.

    If you say “The sun does not exist,” everyone will immediately think of the sun. Then they will think of a world without the sun. The human brain cannot make that logical jump directly to a world without the sun.

    It is the same with “I don’t care.” Speak in positive terms in the direction that you want to take the conversation.

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  121. on March 15, 2011 at 3:41 pm Carmo

    Hows about:

    “I can leave if you want”

    “I just met you and youre already doing me favors”.

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  122. on March 15, 2011 at 4:20 pm DJ

    “I mean gosh, unless the lot of you guys are youngish, 6 foot +, chisel jawed, ripped and on $100k+ . . . real life hotties are just gonna walk away and not look back.”

    ^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. I get a lot of attention because I’m over 6 foot, chisel jawed, alas I only make 75K. Here in Toronto, the fembots are all about money unfortunately, I know, I’ve dated 50+ women probably over the years, and been in several long term relationships. That’s just the way it is with entitled fembots these days.

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  123. on March 15, 2011 at 4:21 pm D

    ASKJOE,

    I didn’t need to be reminded that I failed.

    I got that.

    I was just wondering if even at such a late moment there was a way to turn the situation around.

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  124. on March 15, 2011 at 4:39 pm askjoe

    youngish, 6 foot +, chisel jawed, ripped and on $100k+

    you rang?
    All those things only go so far because that’s really a list of gay male desires, women seek preselection. Oh, actually, being really, really good looking does help but I found that looks alone will limit you in the sense that things being easy make you lazy.
    D, you are at square one, click through the “game” categories. There was one post where he observed two guys fail by using chit chat game, I am too lazy to find it but a quick google leads to G-man’s take on it:
    http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/03/roissy-on-how-not-to-pick-up-on-girls.html

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  125. on March 15, 2011 at 4:43 pm itsme

    d,

    since she doesn’t intend to return, then you’ve got nothing to lose by making a last parting shot. and if it’s something memorable/intriguing, she might come back later. just don’t hold your breath.

    ‘no, you won’t. but send your friends over.’

    ‘bring me back a drink’

    ‘then the terrorists win’

    etc.

    cocky funny, assholish, non sequitur….it’s all good.

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  126. on March 15, 2011 at 4:53 pm Original JB

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/awrhawkins/2011/03/15/sucker-punch-squad-thor-script-drops-hammer-on-metrosexual-political-correctness/

    Wow, Thor might actually be good…

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  127. on March 15, 2011 at 5:15 pm Grunt

    itsme

    I’d go so far as to make her work a bit harder and say:

    ‘No, you won’t, but send your blonde friend with a huge rack over”.

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  128. on March 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm Ben Runkle

    I love this shit test, because it’s so paper thin and easliy recognizable, just like an ultimatum. I usually deliver my replies in such a way that it’s extremely apparent that I’m joking so that she doesn’t walk off thinking that I’m a prick.

    Some of my favorites:

    “You COULD… but I don’t think you will” her: “why not?” Me either: “it’s just a feeling I have” or “eh, because I’m the most interesting guy here” followed by a takeaway.

    This one’s gold:
    “Good, you’re messing up my game with my future ex-wife over there, haha” I then point out the biggest, most undesirable girl in the place and turn back to the girl I’m gaming with a wink and say “she’s Sexy”

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  129. on March 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I just remembered a response I gave to one of these

    Future Stalker: I can tell I’m not wanted here.
    VI: you’re wanted
    FS: really? (Thinking I’ve taken the beta bait and am about to validate her)
    VI: yeah, you entertain me! Dance monkey! Dance!
    FS: you jerk! Hehehe

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  130. on March 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm triax37

    “I can leave if you want.”

    “Whatever makes you feel safe.”

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  131. on March 15, 2011 at 7:14 pm chic noir

    insight

    +5 sir, excellent dipiction of rose game.

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  132. on March 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm what

    @triax37
    “I can leave if you want.”
    “Whatever makes you feel safe.”

    Actually, this is kinda sweet. I like.

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  133. on March 15, 2011 at 7:42 pm Anonymous

    Cauthon

    There is a concept in NLP about using the word don’t, or not, or any other negating word.

    I first learned of this concept at age 12. I was interested in hypnosis, and so studies up from library books and questioned my Dad, who knew a thing or two.

    To this day I’m cautious with which words I choose. To manipulate a mind, you first convey an image. Negations don’t negate the image. You must drive around the mind through careful choices of images – leading it. It’s not like programming a computer where if and or statements work.

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  134. on March 15, 2011 at 7:53 pm Jen

    @Anon

    Negatives not necessarily bad. Kinda like inception. ‘Don’t think about sex.’ so you automatically think about it. You can draw
    attention to something by stating the negative.

    I’m not sure negging works as well in the same way. A lot of women are wise to negging now and might just think you’re an ass.

    [Editor: A lot of men are wise to the enhancement properties of bras and makeup, but that doesn’t stop them from being turned on when women wear those things.]

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  135. on March 15, 2011 at 8:56 pm me me me

    chic noir-please change your picture. those feet are sooo disgusting.

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  136. on March 15, 2011 at 9:22 pm Me

    @Original JB

    Kenneth Branagh was attracted to the grand Shakespearean aspects of Thor. He wouldn’t make some faggy pussy bitch Thor.

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  137. on March 15, 2011 at 9:46 pm GasButtox

    chic noirbuttox,

    Rose game? How about some ‘Detox my Buttox’ Game?

    You will be permitted to :

    First botox,
    Then rrrrrrectox,
    Then Detox,..

    …my Buttox.

    Now quit talksin’ and start Detoxin’

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  138. on March 15, 2011 at 9:55 pm Tim

    chic noir-please change your picture. those feet are sooo disgusting.

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  139. on March 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm GasButtox

    me me me (and everyone else),

    Instead of addressing her as ‘chic noir’, she would prefer it if you address her by her full, proper title : Chic Noirbuttox.

    The ‘buttox’ suffix is important, and she has worked hard and paid thousands of dollars in royalties for the privilege of the ‘buttox’ suffix after her name. She chirps with erotic glee when she hears it. Try it, and see the fun :).

    She is too modest to demand this herself, so I am informing you of this preference of hers to be addressed by her full name, Chic Noirbuttox.

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  140. on March 15, 2011 at 11:02 pm Sean

    The “alpha” information on this website is so brilliant yet so simple that I found myself wondering why such an obvious strategy eluded the ancient philosophers and everyone smart enough to write since then. I can only surmise that the reason a “homeboy” with his boxers showing above his pants is more sexually seductive than an a hapless “beta” with a job and the offer of a meal must have something to do with revolution of the “post-modern” society. The next generation of males will have this knowledge, and who can imagine the results? What will the dating scene look like when all males can mimic the attitude of the “alpha-male”?

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  141. on March 15, 2011 at 11:04 pm Sean

    “to do with revolution” to do with ‘the’ revolution

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  142. on March 15, 2011 at 11:11 pm carl shakes

    Kahn=super natural alpha

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  143. on March 15, 2011 at 11:19 pm Tim

    Chic Noirbuttox,

    Please, when you have the time………

    ….at a time of your choosing……………

    when it is most convenient……………..

    will you….wait for it….

    wafting…………

    Detox my buttox.

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  144. on March 15, 2011 at 11:44 pm 24/7

    “What will the dating scene look like when all males can mimic the attitude of the “alpha-male”?”

    Actually, I think it would swing back to favoring the women again. If all betas “act” alpha or at least think they’re alpha and since there’s only so many “hot” women available — the women will still be choosing who they want or the “real” alphas will have an advantage and the betas trying to “act” alpha will still have to settle since there are way more average betas than there are hot women.

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  145. on March 16, 2011 at 12:04 am Pro

    @Sean

    I think some of the aspects of the game were indeed recognized and writen by some philosophers and writers, maybe not so explicitely. Certain passages of Nietzsche’s writing come to my mind and also Otto Weininger wrote a book about dynamics of sexual relationships.

    I am pretty sure there are more examples of game in literature, also keep in mind that we now have evolutionary psychology, which lay the foundation for many of these ideas.

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  146. on March 16, 2011 at 12:56 am desiderius

    Sean,

    “I found myself wondering why such an obvious strategy eluded the ancient philosophers and everyone smart enough to write since then.”

    Read Eugene Onegin, the most famous work by Russia’s most beloved poet. It’s about nothing but game.

    Vronsky, Petruchio, Greek mythology…

    The feminists who have educated (sic) you and your cohort have made sure to leave it out or to misteach it, but it’s all over the place in broad daylight if one knows what to look for and takes the time to do so.

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  147. on March 16, 2011 at 2:51 am aurora susan

    This is hilarious. Really is good advice if you’re looking for insecure women, immature women, very young women. most women over 25 and none over 30 respond to this in *any* of the ways presented. I know, I’ve been treated this way about a thousand times and I’ve never once done anything but been nasty to the man, or ignored him in shock and hurt. Never once. I’m a 34yo ex model. I only date normal men not the ones you describe here. Now, I see the *real* reason for your glowing hatred of older women. A bit too convenient, isn’t it?

    [Editor: So in other words, what you’re saying is, if men want to pick up haggard cougars who long ago left their best years behind, they shouldn’t run game. Got it.]

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  148. on March 16, 2011 at 4:21 am Mary

    This was the response I got after recommending this site to a ‘pro-feminist’ “MAN” whose pathetic and nausea inducing comments on a site we hang out on forced me make you and your posters known to him:

    I glanced, nearly threw up, and closed the page. Why on earth would I want to read such tripe? I guess it’s what kneejerks do to get bonus dough-head points. Sorry, nothing there says enlightened person. So, I’m not surprised you find it enthralling.

    I just had to share 😉

    I am betting that what he is doing is playing the ‘feminist hero’ to his band of merry eunuchs that follow his lame ass around……but the truth is that now having found you, he will turn into mega-alpha and secretly thank me forever, haha.

    Ah well…….I tried.

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  149. on March 16, 2011 at 4:54 am TW

    “But if you leave, how’m I gonna slip you roofies and take advantage of you?”

    Said deadpan, pregnant pause, then half-grin.

    Why:
    – sets a sexual frame
    – future projection implying we’ll have sex
    – diffuses ASD because I’m pre-emptively taking the blame for us having sex by announcing I’ll be the one taking advantage of her so she doesn’t have to admit she wants sex
    – provides call-back diffuser for when she gets LMR in the bedroom later “I can’t believe we’re doing this…” “I know hey, those roofies work wonders ;)”
    – slight push-pull because I’m “threatening” her so technically I’m daring her to walk away
    – creates social contract in the form of “if you stay you are agreeing to the possibility that we’ll have sex later”
    – I don’t care if I offend her/society, I say whatever amuses me
    – no way will she have a witty response prepared for this one, no one has said anything like this to her before so her hamster will poop itself
    – shows immunity to social pressure because it’s an assholish thing to say but as long as you don’t cave to the social pressure and follow it up with a weak “just kidding”, it will spike her buying temperature

    – TW

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  150. on March 16, 2011 at 5:02 am ritmo rioplatense

    “But if you leave, how’m I gonna slip you roofies and take advantage of you?”

    Said deadpan, pregnant pause, then half-grin.

    che, fine print:
    if you actually need to be told the last line, do not, ever, try anything like this. (and, preferably, shoot yourself in the head.)

    it is also worrisome, for similar reasons, that you felt a conscious need to append that last line… my lord, ‘jueput’ carechimba

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  151. on March 16, 2011 at 5:02 am ritmo rioplatense

    “But if you leave, how’m I gonna slip you roofies and take advantage of you?”

    Said deadpan, pregnant pause, then half-grin.

    che… fine print:
    if you actually need to be told the last line, do not, ever, try anything like this. (and, preferably, shoot yourself in the head.)

    it is also worrisome, for similar reasons, that you felt a conscious need to append that last line… my lord, ‘jueput’ carechimba

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  152. on March 16, 2011 at 7:45 am eric

    @Wouldn’t You Like to Know
    “I’ve done this before. Only once. It wasn’t a shit test.”

    Yes it was, and I can prove it. It was a shit test and you were attracted to the guy.

    Here’s what you say: “The guy really was being a douche. He gave the “do whatever you want …” line, with poor delivery like you said. It was lame and I left. Avoided his calls after that.”

    There’s my proof. See, it’s women like you that lead men to have to manipulate women with game. If the guy was really a douche, then the rational thing for you to do would be to leave without comment (or if you like, say “you’re a douche and I don’t date douchebags”) but instead of leaving, you said “I can leave if I want.” You give him that shit test and then you rate his response. His response was lame (your word) and given with poor delivery (also your word) and THAT’s why you left.

    You didn’t leave because he was a douche. You left because he didn’t pass your shit test. If he was a douche who passed the shit test, you would have gone home with him.

    I wish I could live in a world were women were honest and rational and conscious of what kind of men they can have happy relationships with. I wish I lived in a world were women eschewed douchebags.

    But instead, I live in a world with women like you, who will sit there and talk to a douchebag, and only leave if he doesn’t pass your shit test. So that means that my only choices are to be alone or to be a douchebag with game.

    So I guess my point is, fuck you for making the world a sucky place.

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  153. on March 16, 2011 at 8:31 am ritmo rioplatense

    So I guess my point is, fuck you for making the world a sucky place.

    this could be stand-up gold, if delivered á la denis leary or some other such wild-eyed comic genius.

    on the other hand, given that this rant is probably dead serious…
    …what are you gonna rant against next?
    fuck you delicious foods, for containing so many high-GI carb calories?
    fuck you northern hemisphere, for having your holiday season when it’s snowy cold shit outside? waaaahhh, i wish it were like uruguay, where hot bitches are %95 naked on the beach for new year’s.

    you see where i’m going with this — things are what they are. you can learn to handle them, or you could bitch about them; would you rather be the handler, or the bitch?

    why do battle with windmills?

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  154. on March 16, 2011 at 9:05 am Corporal Hicks

    @Surfed

    Dude, you’re the man. Thanks for putting those Maxims in order. I’ve cut and pasted, and now I have my file.

    You have done a great service to humanity. Get a beer.

    Best,

    CH

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  155. on March 16, 2011 at 9:22 am Shawn

    Sexbots: http://www.hulu.com/watch/4510/futurama-anti-robot-propaganda

    H/T Audacious Epigone. Had to share it; it’s brilliant & on point.

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  156. on March 16, 2011 at 9:32 am DJ

    @ Eric – I’m starting to think all interactions with women these days are nothing but one big shit-test…….i suppose it only makes sense given how feminized men have become in the west.

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  157. on March 16, 2011 at 9:56 am DJ

    Actually, I got a sort of similar shit-test from a bartender (who naturally has betas flinging themselves on her all day, usually much older betas in their 50s and 60s) I was busting on last night – at first I was playfully railing on her lack of professionalism, which got a smile or two out of her.

    A little later I went up to her and commented on her ‘ripped’ shirt (shoulder hanging down by her elbow) and asked if she had just watched flashdance on cable the night before or something….

    Her response was, “You’re batting a zero here, DJ”.

    I simply didn’t respond and went back to my pint. She left at that moment as it was the end of her shift. Obviously not an earth shattering response from me as I gave her no response, merely continued on unfazed. I suppose the meat of it will be the next time I encounter her.

    No response actually feels somewhat like a failure in this instance, as there was no opportunity to continue the interaction, but I suppose it highlights the importance of this post and how easy it is to fail the simplest of shit-tests – they really do catch you off guard if you aren’t prepared for them, but every situation is different.

    What do you lot think, is no response the best response when caught flat footed? Also, what other response would you use in this situation: I.e. “You’re batting zero”. I have some on the tip of my tongue that I cannot properly formulate…..”I didn’t realise I was at the plate” may have been one….trouble for me is baseball metaphors are almost lost on me as I know so little about the sport….

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  158. on March 16, 2011 at 10:52 am Rollo Tomassi

    WWCD? What would Corey (Worthington) Do?

    Her: “I can leave if you want.”

    Corey: “Umm, ok?”

    [Editor: “Umm, ok” is like the Swiss army knife of game.]

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  159. on March 16, 2011 at 11:04 am trogdor

    chic noir:

    I am for life, not just for christmas. woof woof woof

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  160. on March 16, 2011 at 11:06 am APL

    eric: “But instead, I live in a world with women like you, who will sit there and talk to a douchebag, and only leave if he doesn’t pass your shit test.”

    I don’t really see the difference between a woman who is using some metric to choose a mate (lover, one night stand) and a guy who is looking for a mate, lover, one night stand. Both are measuring candidates by their own metric. Would a man consider a female dumptruck as mating material just because she was willing? Unlikely for all but males with the lowest self esteem.

    Clearly, if it were impossible to mate a female the species would become extinct, not many of us want that.

    Criticizing women because of their evoloutionary mating strategies, which we can see are largely unconscious is a bit like complaining because the sun sets at night. It’s just the way it is.

    The whole topic is facinating and … very useful

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  161. on March 16, 2011 at 11:45 am julian

    eric is still in the first emotional phase after taking the red pill. it’s cool, its a necessary phase for most and if you have any modicum of inner strength he will grow out of it.

    @ritmo
    nice quijote reference.

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  162. on March 16, 2011 at 11:48 am Corporal Hicks

    Just in case anyone ever doubted Roissy and his take on women’s hypergamy and deep-seated desire for bad boys, check out this beauty-of-an-article….

    MARRIED FEMALE CHAPLAIN JAILED FOR HAVING SEX WITH INMATE;

    SMUGGLES VODKA, MUSCLE BARS, AND CELL PHONE TO INMATE

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366435/Married-prison-chaplain-jailed-sex-inmate-smuggling-mobile-phone.html

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  163. on March 16, 2011 at 11:49 am Corporal Hicks

    The kicker is that her “white knight” Beta husband is “standing by her.”

    I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

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  164. on March 16, 2011 at 11:51 am Corporal Hicks

    “But I thought church-going women were better…more upright…more honest…better wives….”

    ROTFLMAO………..

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  165. on March 16, 2011 at 11:56 am duxbury

    When you become friends with women (I am in a relationship with 10) so i do become just friends with no ulteriors… you get astonished by how single hot women admit that they are “batshit insane”

    “Are you always this dramatic”

    is the killer response.. because yes, she’s a total drama queen and she damn well knows it. Her prior relationships ended with stalking, threats, things breaking, calls to the police, screwing two guys concurrently… etc…. her life is DRAMA. Men don’t get dumped by 9’s without drama. Calling her on her flaw nails the achilles heel. WOMEN LOVE MEN who can manage their psychosis, call it, not be scared off by it, control it.

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  166. on March 16, 2011 at 12:00 pm Corporal Hicks

    @DJ

    You can think of a response more quickly by following the thread of whatever she says.

    Bartender Kupcake: “You’re batting zero here, DJ.”

    DJ: “I didn’t know you were an umpire. Maybe someday you’ll make it to the MAJORS.” (pause, hard eye contact, smug grin…)

    STAY ON HER TOPIC, BUT RE-FRAME IT.

    She gives a baseball analogy? BUST HER BALLS.

    Easy. You didn’t have to THINK of a reply. You just twisted her analogy into YOUR frame.

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  167. on March 16, 2011 at 12:03 pm Corporal Hicks

    “Inside every woman there is a Queen. Speak to the Queen and the Queen will answer.”

    – Finnish Proverb

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  168. on March 16, 2011 at 12:17 pm Michel

    Punch her in the face.

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  169. on March 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm itsme

    Punch her in the face.

    what is ‘what would genghis khan do?’

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  170. on March 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm pimpan

    @DJ:

    Say the same situation came up in an elevator, and some office slut 5 was flirting with you. How would you respond to her saying “you’re batting zero here”.

    I’d probably laugh at her wild optimism, and definitely wouldn’t bother setting her straight.

    If you wanted to dumpster dive you might go straight to the punch.

    But from watching the few friends who have hooked up with staff, it always happened once they became friendly enough to share a drink, i.e. the customer/server barrier was crossed.

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  171. on March 16, 2011 at 1:13 pm itsme

    dj,

    don’t sweat it too much. female bartenders get hit on all the time, and not just by betas.

    are you a brit in america? you can use american ignorance to your advantage.

    ‘you’re batting a zero, dj’
    ‘where i’m from, that means you’re spending the night. i prefer my eggs sunny side up.’

    agreed with corporal hicks about busting on a girl for using a sports reference. sports reference = unfeminine. neg it hard.

    ‘you’re batting a zero’
    ‘oh, you’re a baseball fan! we could use another bro like you in our group.’

    but personally, if a girl not only used a passing sports reference, but was actually INTO sports, like knowing players’ names and stats and shit, i would turn and run.

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  172. on March 16, 2011 at 1:15 pm eric

    @APL: “I don’t really see the difference between a woman who is using some metric to choose a mate (lover, one night stand) and a guy who is looking for a mate”

    My comment was about honesty and false consciousness (Marx. Look it up). The difference between the average male and the female poster I responded to is that a man makes rational choices, and is open and honest about them. A man will say, “I don’t like fat chicks” and that statement is both honest and rational (rational, in this case, means it will lead to his happiness).

    The woman I responded to claimed she wasn’t issuing a shit test. She wasn’t even lying. She simply wasn’t conscious of her true motivations. Women say, “I like ____ in a guy” but that isn’t true. They actually like completely different things. Furthermore, those are things that do not make them happy – thus, they aren’t rational. It’d be like if I went around saying that I like fat chicks, but in reality not only to I not like them, what I actually like is women who kick me in the balls and cheat on me.

    So that’s the difference. Being conscious of your true motivations, and being motivated by things that will actually lead to your happiness. It’s a pretty big difference.

    And the reason for my “fuck you” statement is that now I have to play this stupid game. I don’t want to, but I have to. If women had to kick us in the balls daily in order to date us, then they’d become frustrated and make a post just like mine.

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  173. on March 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm Corporal Hicks

    I really don’t see the hang-up on not having anything to say to a shit-test.

    What is so hard about NEG’ing that guys don’t get?

    If Kupcake puts you down, belittles you, intimates that you’re not in her league, or otherwise tries to take a shit on you, START BUSTING I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E-L-Y

    FOR EXAMPLE: (to the snippy bartender, above)

    “Wow, with that bark, somebody just might call you a dog.”
    “Get your nose fixed before you put it in the air, will ya?”
    “I’m sorry. You’ve mistaken me for the drunks you spend your life with.”

    If you get caught absolutely flat-flooted, GO FOR THE PHYSICAL DEFECT. Every kupcake has many (and her hamster constantly generates more.)

    “Might I suggest you go to the gym after work?”
    “No more umbrella drinks, dear. Remember CALORIES???”

    No guy should EVER be caught flat-footed with a Kupcake. They’re so full of defects, it’s hard for me to PICK just one.

    I would say, though, focus on her hair, her skin, and the clothes she has on. INFINITE amounts of negs are there.

    e.g.

    “Can I buy you some shampoo? Pleeeezzz…”
    “Time to lay off the junk food with that skin…”
    “Are you in training for BAG LADY of the year? What’s up with that (shirt), (pant), (sneakers), etc.

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  174. on March 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

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  175. on March 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm Insight

    @eric

    “And the reason for my “fuck you” statement is that now I have to play this stupid game. I don’t want to, but I have to. If women had to kick us in the balls daily in order to date us, then they’d become frustrated and make a post just like mine.”

    To be successful with women, you must understand them.
    To understand women is to become contemptuous of them.

    The good news is that you will really learn to appreciate the (rare) good ones – ideally, not just in hindsight.

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  176. on March 16, 2011 at 2:10 pm Evil Alpha

    eric,

    No need to explain yourself. Your critics struggled with interpretation of your personal rendition of “bitch please”

    Case in point. Ritmo thought you said this…

    fuck you delicious foods, for containing so many high-GI carb calorie

    when what you actually said was this…

    fuck you delicious foods, for containing so many high-GI carb calorie… while advertising yourself as organic weight watcher food.

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  177. on March 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm Evil Alpha

    Rollo,

    The problem with the matrix references is that feminist ego will interpret the system to mean “patriarchy”. I prefer Orwell because it smacks crusading feminists up side the head that THEY are the problem.

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  178. on March 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm D

    Thanks for the ideas.

    And GRUNT, she actually had a blond friend with a huge rack, who was easily the standout chick that entire weekend.

    SEAN,

    you’ve mistaken the intentions of the homeboy in the hood sporting his boxers. He’s sending out a coded message to the players on the down low that’s he’s available. It started in the prisons and of course made its way into urban America. But it’s all pathology, rampant pathology.

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  179. on March 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm DJ

    Thanks a million for the replies guys. One thing I can say, this occurred at a pub owned by a good friend of mine. The really, really big problem at this place are the betas who prop up the bar. They throw themselves at the staff and shower them with compliments, it actually makes my skin crawl. ALL of the female staff of course, have massively swelled heads because of it.

    The worst is, some of the betas I am friendly with immediately jump down my throat and commence with the massive shaming language, even at the slightest of negs that I deliver.

    Many of them do not like me and endlessly bad mouth me for not falling into line with their mangina behaviour.

    The female staff also give me alot of attitude but nevertheless seem to like me, as they still talk to me. I think they appreciate in some respects that I do not boy down and kiss their arse.

    (I’m Canadian, FYI, so I don’t understand baseball very well.)

    Again, thanks guys.

    What really derails and messes up my game here the most are the white-knight manginas that are all around me, ready to rush to a fair maiden’s rescue upon witnessing my attitude. The shaming language is far WORSE than anything that I encounter from females. Some of these betas jaws literally drop when they hear some of the things I say, which aren’t really that bad, just your standard negs really.

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  180. on March 16, 2011 at 3:47 pm D

    APL,

    the West is experiencing rapid demographic decline. Entire societies such as Italy have fallen below replacement levels, and that’s including the numbers of muslims who are replicating like {you can fill in the blank there}.

    So clearly something is going on with women in the West, and this entire sporting an attitude even when they’re chubby is getting out of hand, which is reflected in depressed birth rates.

    ERIC,

    concur, I tried the whole nice guy thing through my 20s, and through a good chunk of my 30s, and where am I?

    Still a bachelor, without kids.

    I’m like DJ, “batting zero” unless I damn well start pursuing other tactics.

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  181. on March 16, 2011 at 3:51 pm DJ

    @ Julian “eric is still in the first emotional phase after taking the red pill. it’s cool, its a necessary phase for most and if you have any modicum of inner strength he will grow out of it.”

    This is very true, in many ways I am still working my own way out of it. Swallowing the red pill will affect so many aspects of a man’s life. You are forced to re-evaluate everything, including past relationships with women. I often find myself both re-evaluating my own relationships, as well as re-evaluating the my buddies behaviour as well. Some of them I see in a new, positive light……others now sicken me because of their betatude behaviour, and I really do not want to hang with them because their chump AFCness can rub off on you.

    It’s no way to live, like a sniveling beta. I think of one friend in particular and, whom I always thought as mega desperate who never, ever followed my advice, and never, ever gets the woman.

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  182. on March 16, 2011 at 4:01 pm D

    I know full well a thing or two, or three or four about not getting the woman I’m pursuing.

    And I say the hell with that.

    When the Royal Air Force was getting shot to shreds by the Luftwaffe early in the war, the smart one who wanted to stay alive and register kills changed tactics, and changed tactics fast.

    Women might say the want the nice guys, but experience proves otherwise.

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  183. on March 16, 2011 at 4:03 pm Gorbachev

    Results count.

    You do what works. If it doesn’t work, you stop doing it.

    Game gets pussy. That was all the justification I needed.

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  184. on March 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm DJ

    The most important adjustment I ever made, and somehow I learned on my own over a decade ago, was to stop chasing low interest women. Once you focus on and recognise the interested ones, and do not lower yourself to waste your time on the chump’s catch, you are ahead of the game.

    However, once you catch the interested ones, that too is wrought with pratfalls, isn’t it?

    I know how you feel lately D, I found myself in crisis mode after a bad relationship that produced a child out of wedlock, and the ensuing legal bullshyt and treatment from the mother who was a real piece of work…….you can lose your game so very, very easily with the wrong situation/woman.

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  185. on March 16, 2011 at 4:53 pm DJ

    You know, I’ll never forget that relationship, around 1995…..I was chasing a very good looking but weird vegan type chick, who kicked me to the curb. She told a mutual friend that she liked ‘confident’ guys. Back then, I was confident, but not outwardly so, I was a quiet guy by definition.

    Fast forward a year and a half, she and I started crossing paths again…..and I was then in a longterm relationship, and she had just been kicked to the curb by a bad boy. Trampled on.

    My attitude towards her was much different then……what did I care? I was in a great relationship with a 21 year old with a great body, getting great sex etc.

    I barely acknowledged the vegan who kicked me to the curb almost 2 years prior…..but guess what? Bitch couldn’t stop coming at me, even in front of my woman, who got pretty pissed off at the time I recall. There was definitely a ‘get the f*ck away from my man moment’ if I recall correctly.

    And therein was the evidence I needed to change my ways. That was the last time a woman ever dumped me. Since then I have dumped every female that caused me problems, albeit, not necessarily fast enough, but at least the dumpings were all on my terms.

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  186. on March 16, 2011 at 5:31 pm Grunt

    D

    Thinking about it a bit more (hindsight’s 20/20 after all), I think I’d modify the response. It depends a bit on just how brassy you want to be, but you could say this:

    “If you do, bring your friend – she’s really cute. Oh, and if you don’t, send her anyway.”

    It plays her off against a friend, without needing to specify just why you find the other girl cute. There’s no reason to pre-announce what you find attractive in other women, and keeping your criteria secret is just another thing that’ll keep her guessing.

    She’s now wondering why you clearly ‘prefer’ the other one to her, and if they’re friends, you set up a frisson of jealousy and competion. Also, you’re giving her a task to do, and if she actually sends the friend over, you’ve made her comply with your will.

    Personally, I’m not a fan of negging, even though I concede that it probably works.

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  187. on March 16, 2011 at 5:41 pm Grunt

    Ugh. Part of the quote got lost.

    If you do, bring your friend [point at the blonde very obviously] – she’s really cute. Oh, and if you don’t, send her anyway.

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  188. on March 16, 2011 at 5:42 pm APL

    eric: “My comment was about honesty and false consciousness (Marx. Look it up).”

    I am not about to wade through Marx’s turgid prose again.

    To you point about honesty. There is a case to be made first that honesty is a societal construct, second that it is beta behavior.

    The Alpha lion does not expect honesty from its subordinates, in fact he expels them from the pride as soon as they approach adulthood.

    Honesty is beta, it is a mechanism to avoid unnecessary conflict among lower order males. No disrespect to anyone who prizes honesty, by the way, it is a societal imprint.

    Women don’t exhibit honesty in their mating behavior, Human Alpha males don’t either, there is a higher probability that Alpha males will conduct affairs or in the PUA jargon maintain a harem. Throughout history wealthy alphas have kept one or more mistresses. It is practically de rigueur in for example, France to do so if you can afford to.

    High quality females are in demand, factor in that Males encourage female dishonesty about their mating behavior. Can you imagine a woman who says what she really intends, how many milliseconds would it take for her to be branded, a slapper, strumpet or whore? Each depending on her rating 1- 10 of course and the relative success or otherwise of her suitors. A man only wants female honesty when if favors him.

    Your appraisal of the true motives of ‘Wouldn’t you like to know’ may be accurate, but it doesn’t matter. Essentially we are animals with society imprinted on top. Take away the imprint and it’s survival of the fittest all over again.

    eric: “I have to play this stupid game. I don’t want to, but I have to.”

    There is no nirvana, there are no 80 virgins to amuse yourself for eternity. This ‘stupid game’ is not the game women invented, evolution thrust it on us all. Don’t sound bitter, just have fun.

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  189. on March 16, 2011 at 5:51 pm APL

    D: “So clearly something is going on with women in the West, ..”

    Abortion, contraception?

    In the UK alone since abortion was legalized in ’67, five million unborn children have been [trying to be non controversial] terminated. God knows what the figures are for the rest of Europe or the USA.

    So in the UK that is 2.5 million couples that didn’t have children, and since the first cohort was forty years ago, there is a third generation that doesn’t exist today too.

    Having said that, it is not necessary to maintain the population at its current peak, some decline is not that bad a thing.

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  190. on March 16, 2011 at 6:07 pm Wouldn't you like to know

    Eric,

    Without getting into the details of the situation. The guy, in my opinion, was acting like he wanted me to leave A.K.A being a douche. So I came straight out and asked him if he wanted me to take off (I was fine with it either way because he was getting on my nerves). It wasn’t a shit test. I wasn’t rating a response. I just wanted to know his true intentions because he seemed passive aggressive. I wasn’t sure if he throwing hints for me to gtfo or trying to be “cute” or whatever. Some men are beyond jaded. He did need to beg me to stay, but the “do whatever …” was just as good as saying “kick rocks” to me.

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  191. on March 16, 2011 at 6:28 pm Evil Alpha

    Women don’t exhibit honesty in their mating behavior, Human Alpha males don’t either

    But you continue to be honest about being dishonest. And that APL is the opposite of what is bugging Eric about women like “wouldn’t you like to know”

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  192. on March 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm APL

    Evil Alpha: “But you continue to be honest about being dishonest ..”

    Yea, that would be because I’m not trying to fuck Eric.

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  193. on March 16, 2011 at 6:50 pm Doug1

    Mary–

    This was the response I got after recommending this site to a ‘pro-feminist’ “MAN” whose pathetic and nausea inducing comments on a site we hang out on forced me make you and your posters known to him:

    I glanced, nearly threw up, and closed the page. Why on earth would I want to read such tripe? I guess it’s what kneejerks do to get bonus dough-head points. Sorry, nothing there says enlightened person. So, I’m not surprised you find it enthralling.

    I just had to share 😉

    I am betting that what he is doing is playing the ‘feminist hero’ to his band of merry eunuchs that follow his lame ass around……but the truth is that now having found you, he will turn into mega-alpha and secretly thank me forever, haha.

    Ah well…….I tried.

    You sound alright. Welcome.

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  194. on March 16, 2011 at 7:03 pm Evil Alpha

    Yea, that would be because I’m not trying to fuck Eric.

    And women in these forums like WYLTK and her feminist blogging counterparts are?

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  195. on March 16, 2011 at 7:45 pm Rosenberg

    “There is no nirvana, there are no 80 virgins to amuse yourself for eternity. This ‘stupid game’ is not the game women invented, evolution thrust it on us all. Don’t sound bitter, just have fun.”

    Nonsense. Nature and evolution made the woman physically weaker for a reason–because they made her sexually stronger.

    Imagine if nature had created women both physically and sexually stronger. How much progress do you think mankind would have made then?

    Oh, wait–you don’t have to imagine anything; we live in a world where physical strength matters fuck-all and women can prance around town half-naked terrorizing men with their sex, knowing full-well that even the slightest “transgression” on the man’s part will lose him his job, savings, children, freedom.

    “Game” is a result of egalitarianism, idleness, technology, prosperity and the consequent shifting sexual dynamic.

    Game has nothing to do with evolution. It is, in fact, queefing in the face of evolution.

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  196. on March 16, 2011 at 8:25 pm Samson

    “Maxim #105: Pregnant pauses are the player’s best friend.”

    This is golden

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  197. on March 17, 2011 at 12:35 am Original JB

    “Read Eugene Onegin, the most famous work by Russia’s most beloved poet. It’s about nothing but game.”

    Onegin is Russian for “master of the neg”.

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  198. on March 17, 2011 at 3:49 am APL

    Rosenburg: “Nonsense. Nature and evolution made the woman physically weaker for a reason–because they made her sexually stronger. ”

    You probably misread my post.

    If you mean by ‘sexually stronger’ having higher evolutionary value, then yes. In every species females have higher value than males.

    Rosenburg: “we live in a world where physical strength matters fuck-all and women can prance around town half-naked terrorizing men with their sex ”

    Physical strength does matter fuck all, men have been inventing machines that do more work than he could by himself since they started building civilization. But it probably doesn’t stop a guy spending time in the gym, nor women appreciating a ‘ripped’ body.

    Oddly enough I don’t feel terrorized by women.

    I may be wrong but I think eric used the term ‘game’ as in machinations he needs to perform on order to get sex. Agreed there is a difference between jumping through hoops (or game) to obtain female sexual preference and ‘Game’, using techniques to tilt the sexual market in a mans favor.

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  199. on March 17, 2011 at 6:42 am J_D

    If a girl gives me this shit test (Depending on whether or not I’m in a good mood) I might playfully feign disappointment when I say “yeah, your friends are probably waiting,” and tell her it was nice meeting her and to take care of herself before I find a party girl to make out with in front of her or point and wave as we walked by. If I’m not in the mood, she gets a long pause and the shoulder turn. Either way I’m picking up my marbles and playing someplace else.

    I’m no alpha but you don’t need to be to internalize the ‘Attitude of Abundance’.

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  200. on March 17, 2011 at 3:00 pm Wouldn't you like to know

    It’s odd to have “feminst blogging counterparts” when I’m not a feminst in theory or practice but, whatever.

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  201. on March 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm Evil Alpha

    It’s odd to have “feminst blogging counterparts” when I’m not a feminst in theory or practice but, whatever.

    Not really. You don’t need to be a feminist or a blogger to have a feminist blogger counterpart.
    You both just need to lie about women’s motives and reactions in dating situations that’s all.

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  202. on March 18, 2011 at 7:41 am eric

    Just to clarify my position WYLTK, I do not think you’re lying about women’s motives and reactions. I think you simply aren’t conscious of the truth. Have you ever seen a split brain experiment? The subjects in those experiments are not conscious of having seen an image, yet they can draw it.

    They are *not* lying when they say they haven’t seen the image.

    The conscious and rational part of our brains is centered in the left frontal lobe. If I ask you what you’re looking for in a guy, it is this part of your brain that will form an english language response – probably something like, “he needs to have a good sense of humor.” That’s true for that part of your brain, but unfortunately, it’s not the part of your brain that actually makes decisions with regard to attraction.

    So you’re not lying. You’re just not telling the truth.

    The same processes are at work in men’s brains of course. The difference is that we have accepted this dual nature and raised our consciousness of it. Women in general are offended at the suggestion that they harbor instinctive drives; women deny reality. Marx called this false consciousness.

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  203. on March 18, 2011 at 10:58 am xsplat

    J_D

    If a girl gives me this shit test (Depending on whether or not I’m in a good mood) I might playfully feign disappointment when I say “yeah, your friends are probably waiting,” and tell her it was nice meeting her and to take care of herself before I find a party girl to make out with in front of her or point and wave as we walked by. If I’m not in the mood, she gets a long pause and the shoulder turn. Either way I’m picking up my marbles and playing someplace else.

    This is just stupid. As if there are “party girls” floating around in any social venue you can just up and make out with immediately.

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  204. on March 18, 2011 at 10:58 am xsplat

    J_D, being a poseur is not abundance.

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  205. on March 18, 2011 at 1:20 pm xsplat

    And J_D, you are conveying the attitude that as soon as a female starts to behave like a female, your dick goes limp.

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  206. on March 21, 2011 at 10:56 pm Stick

    This is a ‘Do you love me’ shit test story.

    Had this girl living with me for a while (the rent was cheaper divided by two), and one night in the pub she said to me, ‘Do you love me?’ I said, ‘No.’ She started crying and ran off to bitch with her girl friends about what a bastard I was. She came back later that night a changed woman. She became a sex slave who would try any perverted shit I could think up to try and win me. (I got rid of her after a couple of months).

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  207. on March 29, 2011 at 3:16 am and suddenly it all makes sense to me « jumbogump

    […] my face flushing while I read as I recognize things about myself that make me feel bad. Like the shit test thing, among many others. I went over to the dating market value test for women page out of vain […]

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  208. on April 4, 2011 at 8:13 pm John D

    I’ve been reading this site off and on and am pretty impressed. I have not tried any PUA tactics, but I find how often there are posts backing up the tactics very interesting.

    Reading this site is very illuminating.
    I was thinking one good response to: “Should I go back to my friends?”

    Is to say something like: “I give you permission to go tell your friends how great I am” or something to that affect.

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  209. on April 4, 2011 at 8:14 pm John D

    Scientific posts backing up the tactics, meant to say

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