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My First Experience With Game

March 16, 2011 by CH

I had two first experiences with game. The earlier one was unintentional, the later one was a deliberate execution.

In ninth grade a curly-haired girl had a crush on me. I didn’t know this at the time, mostly because my attention was diverted to my own crush, a brunette with a righteous ass and hair so shiny it looked like it was polished.

Curly-haired girl invited me to a party at her parents’ house. In her basement with about fifteen other classmates, we listened to music (no drinking) and laughed a lot. She giggled around me and was constantly breaking away from the main group to come over and talk to me in private.

In an act of cruelty only a young man oblivious to the repercussions of his actions could achieve, I remember asking her if shiny-haired girl was coming to her party. Assuming I came to her party because I wanted to reciprocate her feelings, she stammered and blushed at this jarring question, before answering no.

“Ok, no big deal,” I replied.

I wasn’t paying much attention to her reaction, but if I had been I’m sure I would have noticed her heart fall to the floor.

The next week, curly-haired girl passed a note to me in the cafeteria. (It went through about three girls’ hands before landing next to my lunch.) It was a stick figure drawing of her face (or maybe it was mine, hard to tell) with a heart over the head. Underneath, she wrote that she liked hanging out with me.

She was a cute girl, but at that age infatuations grip one’s focus to the exclusion of all other girls. I was crushing on shiny-haired girl and no other girl would do, and that’s that. Luckily, I grew out of it by tenth grade. It’s strange, but evolution has designed men to be more pedestalizing when they are young. Some men never grow out of it. This is a gender flaw of malehood, and one that should be rectified by wise fathers. If I had a son in high school, I would tell him to put his crushes in perspective and enjoy the company of the hundreds of equally cute girls who roam his high school halls, lest he risk turning into a sniveling beta once the cold, harsh real world comes calling.

The above was my first foray into aloof, indifferent take-away game, and holy shit did it work. Curly-haired girl nursed a crush on me right through senior year.

***

My first experience with calculated, conscious game happened at an outdoor cafe. She approached with a mutual group of friends to be introduced to me. She was hot as balls. Slender, tall, chiseled cheekbones like a model, pert tits, and dressed in a very sexy black dress.

I was taken aback. She was a hard 9. Incredibly, she was sweet-natured as well. Very easy to talk to.

Through sheer fortitude, and with some help from being socially proofed, we spent the night together chatting. I was new to the game — the schematic, systematized game, not the organic game that I had been running for years by mimicking naturals and avoiding pitfalls based on personal experience — and when she asked if I would be joining her and her two friends who were planning to split off to go to a different venue, I remembered what I learned and declined the invitation. Following a girl around town like a puppy dog, no matter how well the conversation is going, is a seduction-killer.

My friends gave me a hard time for turning down a night with a bonafide hottie, but I knew better. “Patience,” I told them. “You’ll soon see magic.”

A few days later I called her and arranged a date. Then, a day before the date, I canceled, offering a plausible excuse, though I had no good reason to do so. A week later, I called again to reschedule the date we never had, and she expressed shock that I would call her.

“I thought you weren’t interested. You canceled our date.”

I ignored the stinky bait and set up a meeting at a local pool hall.

I bounced her to three different locations during the date. I knew this was the smart play based on what I had read in the game literature. “Time distortion”, the players called it. Bouncing causes a girl to think she has spent more time with you than she actually has, which in turn makes her more comfortable with you and riper for the sexing.

Later that night, I took her to an outdoor spot to watch the stars twinkle. It was summer, and the warm night air beckoned. As we sat there gazing at the sky, the conversation became deeper, filled with anticipated meaning. During this stage of the seduction, I prepared to execute one psychologically brutal mindfuck in the form of a take-away. I knew I had to do this because such a hot girl was likely a pro at transitioning suitors into the friend zone. I had to disabuse her of any urge she might feel to do that to me.

Somewhere in the midst of our conversation about the value of long term relationships, I asserted, “I’m independent, I value my freedom.” I made sure to say this with retreating body language. I moved my arm off her back and leaned away.

She didn’t respond to that, but seemed chastened a bit.

I dropped her off at her house, where I fingerbanged her in my car. We were together for two years.

***

Men who learn game experience two revelations. One, they are amazed how well it works once they begin to apply it. Two, they remember all those past moments with girls on whom they had run game unknowingly, and the reason for their successes becomes illuminated as if it were etched on stone tablets and handed down from god.

While I had some rudimentary natural skills with women, once I learned systematized game — the science of seduction — I stepped onto an accelerated track to pleasures I couldn’t believe were available for the taking. There’s been no looking back since.

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  1. on March 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm Anonymous

    First

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  2. on March 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm Lara

    Alpha guys often seem to have lower standards for girls than beta ones because they aren’t looking for someone to make them feel good about themselves. They already do.

    [Editor: Incorrect deduction. The desire for beautiful women by alphas and betas has nothing to do with boosting self-esteem. The answer you seek is in the hardness of the cock.]

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  3. on March 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm K

    You’ll thank me. I promise.

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  4. on March 16, 2011 at 2:16 pm Gorbachev

    The deepest agony:

    A year after my marriage dissolved, I discovered game. I saw point by point why my wife married me in the first place. Then I recognized, carved into my soul like and my marriage with a high-pressure water drill and oozing blood, all of the mistakes I’d made during the marriage. Every one of them, lined up like signposts of humiliation.

    The biggest regret at the time was that there was no going back. I could actually re-examine things she’d said – unbeknownst to her, she’d been asking me to Be A Man for two years, and wondering why she wasn’t “in love” with me any more, and agonizing over it. Every time I kowtowed to her absurd, oppressive demands, I just Betaed myself and her contempt for me grew – though she didn’t even know it.

    I blamed her before, until I realized that she couldn’t articulate it. I suddenly had a reason for her schizophrenia. I should have ignored every word she ever said.

    The agony of the realization – it was all unnecessary.

    But I got over it. Pussy assisted me.

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  5. on March 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm namae nanka

    “She was a cute girl, but at that age infatuations grip one’s focus to the exclusion of all other girls. I was crushing on shiny-haired girl and no other girl would do, and that’s that.”

    desk head bang

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  6. on March 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm King A

    K: Here’s a much better version.

    Puts the lie to the idea that he’s a great immortal modern poet. Quirky delivery of nonsense = poetaster fame that dies in a generation.

    —–
    P.S. Webmaster: Please incorporate Mansfield into your ongoing thesis.

    http://www.jamesbowman.net/articleDetail.asp?pubID=1692

    It’s an entire dimension more interesting and substantial than this bio-evolutionary psychobabble upon which you have premised so necessary and revolutionary a campaign against feminism. (And Bowman’s book on honor is an excellent companion to Manliness.)

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  7. on March 16, 2011 at 2:28 pm K

    @King

    Heh, that’s brilliant. A commenter at City Sound actually demonstrated that she’s a genius.

    Quote:

    “I actually think Rebecca Black’s song FRIDAY touches on some powerful ideas:

    Metaphysics:

    “LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WEEKEND” – Our perception of time is limited, we can only have knowledge of the past, not the future. However even though we can have no knowledge of the future, we can “look forward” in a joyous desire for frivolity yet to happen.
    Clever.

    History:

    “YESTERDAY WAS THURSDAY, TODAY IS FRIDAY” – measured human evolution. We are progressing at a constant rate of 24 hours per day. You simply cannot deny it. So true.

    Environment:

    “FUN, FUN, FUN, FUN” – Human excess. Not merely content for a single dose of fun, many people demand more. Is this desire for ‘fun’ sustainable for our planet? We need to think about this.

    Economics:

    “I SEE MY FRIENDS KICKING IN THE FRONT SEAT, KICKING IN THE BACKSEAT”
    In the wake of the GFC Major motor companies are cutting corners to squeeze dollars out of consumers, is lack of leg room the latest rort?

    Individual Freedom:

    “GOT TO GO DOWNSTAIRS, GOT TO HAVE A BOWL OF CEREAL..”

    – Do we really ‘got’ to do these menial tasks? Must we conform with social expectations of daily progress? Can we not think outside the typical urban (or suburban) paradigm of rote living? What The Beatles expressed in “Piggies” is clearly also a concern of Miss Rebecca Black.”

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  8. on March 16, 2011 at 2:30 pm ASPIRANT

    @Lara
    The people who look to their mate to define themselves are already damaged or deficient in some way.

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  9. on March 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm bob

    Can you give some good starting points for reference material on body language?

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  10. on March 16, 2011 at 2:32 pm Evil Alpha

    @Lara

    Alpha guys often seem to have lower standards for girls than beta ones because they aren’t looking for someone to make them feel good about themselves. They already do

    Umm. Oftentimes a beta’s dream girl was my pump and dump.

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  11. on March 16, 2011 at 2:37 pm ballin365

    Ah the pleasures and frustrations of being young. Had I known the dark arts back in those days…

    I can relate to your story a bit. I entered a relationship in 7th grade with a girl who had a crush on me. She ended it and I did nothing but be indifferent about it. I’m naturally cocky. I have seen her several times, once she actually cut my hair, and I saw her again just recently while shopping. We’re in our 20’s now. Each time her eyes light up; and I can still tell my lack of cooing and trying to get her back like little boys feel inclined do at that age still leaves a nice question mark in the hindbrain.

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  12. on March 16, 2011 at 2:38 pm backdoor benny from the bronx

    http://www.break.com/break-originals/other-funny-stuff/shes-too-good-for-everyone-2024186

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  13. on March 16, 2011 at 2:38 pm ballin365

    @ ASPIRANT

    SO TRUE, yet so many do exactly that and suffer nothing but grief.

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  14. on March 16, 2011 at 2:41 pm luvsic

    “Men who learn game experience two revelations. One, they are amazed how well it works once they begin to apply it. Two, they remember all those past moments with girls on whom they had run game unknowingly, and the reason for their successes becomes illuminated as if it were etched on stone tablets and handed down from god.”

    I would definitely add the 3rd, any history of crash and burn sessions with prospects that seemed within reach or even in the bag are seen with absolute clarity in hindsight. Every misstep so obvious now, while at the time the brutal outcome was incredibly confusing.

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  15. on March 16, 2011 at 2:46 pm Ed Minchau

    Men who learn game experience two revelations. One, they are amazed how well it works once they begin to apply it. Two, they remember all those past moments with girls on whom they had run game unknowingly, and the reason for their successes becomes illuminated as if it were etched on stone tablets and handed down from god.

    I have to agree with this 100%. I read Neil Strauss’s book a few years ago, experienced the second revelation, and yet didn’t really act upon that knowledge. This blog format is much better, with the feedback from so many perspectives – stuff I’m learning here has slowly been put into practice, bit by bit, and holy wow.

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  16. on March 16, 2011 at 2:48 pm Doug1

    Gorbachev–

    I could actually re-examine things she’d said – unbeknownst to her, she’d been asking me to Be A Man for two years, and wondering why she wasn’t “in love” with me any more, and agonizing over it. Every time I kowtowed to her absurd, oppressive demands, I just Betaed myself and her contempt for me grew – though she didn’t even know it.

    This is heavily cultural. Feminist cultural. American men didn’t used to be taught to do this with their wives before the late 60s and 70s; or certainly not nearly as much.

    But they also weren’t really taught to get women to chase them – the finer points of game weren’t there to be sure. That could be extracted from some movies of the 40s and 30s (and literature then and earlier) but that sort of thing was associated with cads and playboys, while being a stand up strong masculine American regular guy was portrayed as more admirable and also effective. (The white knighting kind of message.)

    What was missing before neo Marxist feminism was all the messaging that being masculine and dominant was neanderthal, insensitive, sexist, misogynist and so on. The whole set of memes that “men are all dogs” wasn’t there. Nor was the meme that happy family life only occurred when men let their wives have their way (in fact in the 40s and 50s and earlier the opposite meme was prevalent), or that men should do half the housework no matter how many more hours they worked.

    So net net, half of learning game is unlearning feminist programing, and not accepting her own feminist programmed behavior.

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  17. on March 16, 2011 at 2:58 pm namae nanka

    backdoor benny from the bronx, that was epic

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  18. on March 16, 2011 at 3:14 pm Dan

    Pure truth. The force is strong in you indeed.

    I cringe thinking of all the missed opportunities in my life. But were it not for the failures I would not be what I am today.

    Had success come to early, to easily, I would have gone soft and never would have been compelled to learn game and absorb the Roissy world-view.

    It was the pain of my last breakup, due to beta behavior, that lead to my searching for answers. That search lead me to the Chateau.

    Despite the years of suffering, I am glad things have worked out this way.

    The road to success is paved in failure.

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  19. on March 16, 2011 at 3:14 pm Catiline

    Is there any excuse for sticking to organic game?

    I follow the general rules of keeping the upper hand with people as covered by Robert Greene somewhat naturally, but I find it kind of difficult/annoying/too time consuming to come up with a lot of stuff that’s in Strauss’ book (all those damn routines).

    Am I retarded for just relying on negging, random acts of sincerity (mostly to make up for the negging), and being independent (by this I mean doing my own thing and demanding space).

    Basically, what I’m asking…is…will I really benefit THAT much more from getting into the deep specifics of game…
    I live in DC, and women are easy here so I don’t feel the need to really try. There seems to be a diminishing marginal return on effort verus hotness of chick in DC you bang. Or am I wrong?

    It just seems like hunting quail with a bazooka.

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  20. on March 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm Schmoe

    @K
    I’ll thank you for what? A 16-year-old man-jawed chubby chick singing bubblegum pop? Do not want.

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  21. on March 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm ElectricAngel

    Men who learn game experience two revelations. One, they are amazed how well it works once they begin to apply it. Two, they remember all those past moments with girls on whom they had run game unknowingly, and the reason for their successes becomes illuminated as if it were etched on stone tablets and handed down from god.

    It has been like being handed the secret decoder ring to my own life (in fact, to much of Western Literature: watch Rigoletto, and see Alpha, Beta, and everything written about at the Chateau). A sadder and a wiser man you’ll wake the morrow morn!

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  22. on March 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm senseiern

    I remember a thread you had a while back about a retard who ran DQ game from the get go. You pondered whether it was effective, since he was such a tard.

    When i was 18, my only success was from a similar DQ with the exception being that I was gungho for Jesus amd felt Jesus would not want me kissing on women that weren’t my wife or my mother. The more I made it clear that nothing was going to happen, the more this girl wanted me.

    Then, once I decided to make out with her, since I had convinced myself I was going to marry her, not more than a month later, we were broke up.

    At the time, though I was determined to remain chaste, I was fighting the carnal urge to be liked by women. So, my roommate, a natural, taught me all he knew about meeting girls. I had just determined to use the powers for good and not evil.

    But, when I saw the power I could wield, I locked it away like I was Klaatu determining that the world was not ready for it. I should have learned to harness it.

    Then, I might have avoided the pitfall of marriage that I got into seven years later.

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  23. on March 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm O-face

    but at that age infatuations grip one’s focus to the exclusion of all other girls.”

    R- So you were once an AFC?? NO!!! BWUAHAHAHAHA

    [Editor: I was never an AFC, but I wasn’t Don F’in Juan at that young age either. I managed a few gfs in high school.]

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  24. on March 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm Gorbachev

    Learning the truth rarely makes people happy.

    Wisdom does not bring happiness. It only brings clarity.

    Clarity often brings happiness. Sometimes not.

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  25. on March 16, 2011 at 3:32 pm Lolz Unrated

    I think learning game is all about that one conscious success. Either before or right after starting to learn game, the man would get one successful pickup that was due to deliberate and strategic action on his part. If he gets that, he will be hooked on game for life.

    I got mine in a kind of pathetic way. My friend bugged me enough to go and pick up a girl. So my approach was not one of lust or “love” it was deliberate and calculated to achieve success and get my friends off my back.
    This happened probably a year before I knew what real game was.

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  26. on March 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm theprivateman

    “Every time I kowtowed to her absurd, oppressive demands, I just Betaed myself and her contempt for me grew – though she didn’t even know it.”

    This is my exact experience as my marriage came to an end. Uncanny. I thought I was the perfect husband. I did precisely what she asked without a complaint and with alacrity. She didn’t respond much. Sure, I got thanks and compliments. What I didn’t get was passion and respect.

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  27. on March 16, 2011 at 3:36 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Catiline

    You need “ultra-game” for Victoria Secret’s models.

    With so many goofy, bumbling betas out there, Alpha-ness with send most Kupcakes reeling.

    They are pleasantly THROWN by unexpected Alpha-ness.

    The hamster loves to run, and Alpha gasoline is Kupcake’s fuel.

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  28. on March 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm Gorbachev

    @Doug1,

    What was missing before neo Marxist feminism was all the messaging that being masculine and dominant was neanderthal, insensitive, sexist, misogynist and so on. The whole set of memes that “men are all dogs” wasn’t there. Nor was the meme that happy family life only occurred when men let their wives have their way (in fact in the 40s and 50s and earlier the opposite meme was prevalent), or that men should do half the housework no matter how many more hours they worked.

    Yeah, most women never bought into this aspect of feminist crap.

    They’re the ones that refuse to play ball. Meaning most women.

    SO said to me the other day,
    SO: “So what if I said I didn’t want to work?”
    Me: “You mean for money? Don’t think you’re not going to be working.”
    SO: “I mean a real job.”
    Me: “Not working for money’s still a real job. Try it and find out.”

    I don’t mind having a housewife look after my children. But it’s got to be structured properly.

    There are gonna be some expectations.

    I suspect most women would give up their “independence” for security and a man who was a Man. I also suspect they’d resist fucking around on him, too, if he was a Real Man.

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  29. on March 16, 2011 at 3:46 pm Rollo Tomassi

    There comes a point of conflict (or revulsion if you want) after a guy has been unplugged from the Matrix long enough where he begins to doubt himself and what he’s seeing go on around him. All of the gender dynamics and the complex, but discreet, interplay between the sexes that’s been such a mystery for so long starts to solidify and become apparent to him. The Neg Hits he never would’ve dreamed of attempting in his AFC days become so predictably reliable at sparking interest that it becomes depressing. A backhanded compliment shouldn’t work; it goes against everything any girl has ever told him will endear him to a woman, but once he musters up the courage to experiment, he finds that they do.

    What’s depressing isn’t that a well delivered neg could actually generates interest, it’s the principle behind the neg – the reason why it works – that prompts the conflict. Are women, generally, more like this than not? So he experiments a little more, and tests other theories, and discovers that with some minor variations for conditions and environment, yes, for the most part the principles are valid. This then becomes a real tough pill to swallow, especially when you consider ideas like feminine hypergamy. It’s very hard to measure oneself up and adjust to a new understanding of how women operate. He can’t reconcile what he’d been told and conditioned to believe before (the soul mate myth, pedestalize her, just be yourself, etc.) with this new paradigm. So either he learns to live with this new understanding, benefit from it and grow into a new role for himself, or he rejects it and vilifies it wholesale.

    “Women are really not as bad as these misogynists, these bitter, burned men would all have us believe. They’re shallow and soulless to think women are all out to get them. They over-analyze everything when they should all just be themselves and let fate or some divine force pair them up with their soul mates. I pity them, really I do.”

    I’ve heard all of these regressive rationales from boys as young as 14 to men as old as 75. It’s a comfortable ignorance to believe that things are just unknowable and beyond one’s control or efforts to really understand. And to make matters worse, there’s a long established system of social conventions ready to reinforce and affirm these rationales; ready to reinsert him back into the Matrix and tell him he’s unique and special (“not like other guys”) and will be rewarded with female intimacy for rejecting it.

    NEO: “There’s no going back now is there?

    MORPHEUS: “No. But if you could, would you really want to?”

    Was ignorance bliss before you sought out the community? No person both frightens and disgusts me more than one who understands truth, but willfully opts for denial. It’s not the desire to do so that disgusts me, I understand the desire, it’s that there is no going back. Even if you never read another post or blog and regressed back to your old ways, you’ll still make the associations, see the signs of what others have analyzed in your own periphery, in women’s and the world’s behaviors and motivations, and you’ll be reminded of that truth (or at least the uncomfortable push to get at the truth). You will only get what you’ve gotten if you keep doing what you’ve done. There is no going back now.

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  30. on March 16, 2011 at 3:48 pm Gorbachev

    @theprivateman,

    This is my exact experience as my marriage came to an end. Uncanny. I thought I was the perfect husband. I did precisely what she asked without a complaint and with alacrity. She didn’t respond much. Sure, I got thanks and compliments. What I didn’t get was passion and respect.

    The thanks stopped pretty damned quickly for me. It became expectations, and then the expectations grew and grew. I was such a mangina. It humiliates me to think about it. I want to bash my head against a wall thinking about it. I was such a complete retard. And she was JEWISH. She was a fountain of anxious commands. She might bitch about it, but I’ll guarantee if I was less “sensitive” she’s never have left.

    (anyway it worked out just fine, could have been a toilet, only lost 9 months of my life staring at a wall wishing I was dead… wait a sec, … yeah).

    “Thanks for letting the dog out” becomes
    “Did you remember to let the dog out?” becomes
    “Why isn’t the dog out?” becomes
    “You’re supposed to let the dog out, what’s wrong with you?” becomes
    “Dammit, why didn’t you let the dog out?”

    Then —

    “You have no backbone. Stop being a loser.”

    Take it back a notch, This is how I should have framed it:

    Her: “Hey, could you let the dog out?”

    Me: “No.”

    or

    Her: “Hey, could you let the dog out?”
    Me: “I’m busy.”

    or

    Her: “Just this once, could you let the dog out?”
    Me: “Okay.” Lets dog out after suitable time has passed.
    Later:
    Her: “Let the dog out would you?”
    Me: “It was a one-time deal.”
    Her: “What? Just go let the dog out, it’s just ten minutes.”
    Me: “Take off your top and I’ll think about it.”

    Her: “Don’t be a pig.”
    Me: “That’s me. Oink oink.”

    Her: “I don’t believe you.”
    Me: “Less talk, more top removal.”

    I’ll never make that mistake again.

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  31. on March 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm Kev

    appreciated this post. would also love to see a tale or two of first times you implemented game during cold approaches

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  32. on March 16, 2011 at 4:04 pm zia

    Re: no contact, how can a girl tell if a guy is: an alpha playing her, a beta intimidated by her, a greater beta mindfucking her, some other combination of the six, or a natural who just doesn’t know wtf he wants?

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  33. on March 16, 2011 at 4:09 pm Confidunce

    “Every time I kowtowed to her absurd, oppressive demands, I just Betaed myself and her contempt for me grew – though she didn’t even know it.”

    Ditto. My marriage exactly.

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  34. on March 16, 2011 at 4:16 pm Tyrone

    @Gorbachev:

    There are gonna be some expectations.

    I suspect most women would give up their “independence” for security and a man who was a Man. I also suspect they’d resist fucking around on him, too, if he was a Real Man.

    This is exactly what most women secretly want, even lesbians. Most hardcore feminists and lesbians simply never met a man that inspired them to submit. However, a man needs hand to ensure that it remains under control. If you play this right, you can have warm meals when you come home, a spotless house and morning Bjs before work. I agree, standards have to be set and maintained. This is what I have and I love the set up. I’d never want to date again as long as my wife remains as she is now in terms of being a wife. Women are like children. They are happiest being dependent and knowing what the rules are and that they will be maintained as long as the man is a leader and not a boss.

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  35. on March 16, 2011 at 4:18 pm Evil Alpha

    Catiline,

    Is there any excuse for sticking to organic game?

    I live in DC, and women are easy here so I don’t feel the need to really try. There seems to be a diminishing marginal return on effort verus hotness of chick in DC you bang. Or am I wrong?

    Define hot.
    Define easy.

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  36. on March 16, 2011 at 4:20 pm harvey birdman, attorney at law

    you said stinky bait, and finger bang, in the same post….

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  37. on March 16, 2011 at 4:25 pm theprivateman

    @Gorbachev

    I am familiar with that downward progression in manners and respect that your dialog describes.

    I invite you to be a contributor for my blog because I think you and I have had many of the same experiences vis a vis dating and relationships.

    Start here to get a sense of what I’m covering:

    http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/mom-was-wrong-a-personal-narrative/

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  38. on March 16, 2011 at 4:27 pm askjoe

    In an act of cruelty only a young man oblivious to the repercussions of his actions could achieve, I remember asking her if shiny-haired girl was coming to her party. Assuming I came to her party because I wanted to reciprocate her feelings, she stammered and blushed at this jarring question, before answering no.

    I accidentally created a mega-stalker doing this.

    That Rebecca Black song made me deaf. My ears revolted.

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  39. on March 16, 2011 at 4:37 pm Gorbachev

    Advice to guys who need advice:

    1) Go to women and female friends for advice. Listen hard.

    2) Go to men and get real advice.

    3) Go to players and get better real advice.

    Use #1 for counterpoint. Ignore actual words and read between the lines.

    Comfort is good. Alpha is better.

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  40. on March 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm Gorbachev

    @Confidunce,

    Ditto. My marriage exactly.

    Yeah, but I made up for it after the marriage.

    You want to know what learning game is like?

    It’s like being freed from a terrible prison in your mind.

    All the mystery about women just vanishes – poof – instantly.

    I love hearing feminists bitch about it. They hate it because it’s just not true, right? I nod my head, in full knowledge that last night I was banging your card-carrying feminist friends – oh wait, no, I wasn’t, because you’re only “feminists” because you’re ugly or don’t like sex or not straight.

    They bitch and whine, but my most loyal and true wing woman always says:

    The proof is in the pussy.

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  41. on March 16, 2011 at 4:43 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    @Rollo Tomassi

    Great post

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  42. on March 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    A bit OT, but I thought I’d throw in some thoughts on the game. Skills are absolutely necessary, but I think that we often underestimate the importance of sheer persistence. Especially if you want really hot girls. For starters, there aren’t that many of them, and then many will have boyfriends that they really love or else they just don’t like you. Reading between the lines, I think it fair to say that Roissy only manages to get one or two 9+ women a year, maybe three on a good year, while having 10+ flings with women in the 6-7 range. From my own observations that is what most non-famous guys who are really good end up getting. To continuously do better than that you basically either have to be a celebrity or just never leave the bar. From what I hear, someone like Cajun gets about 25 girls a year total and that is with him virtually living in the bar, teaching workshops almost every weekend etc.

    You must be relentless.

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  43. on March 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm Evil Alpha

    My very first recollection of game was building a tree house as a little kid and making it invitation only. All the neighborhood kids wanted to be cool and hang out in it. The craziest thing was the reaction of the girls in the block. I even had one girl show me her “stuff” in the garage so she could get in. I still laugh when I think about it.

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  44. on March 16, 2011 at 4:54 pm Deutsch

    I don’t know why, but reading this thread and the replies made me extremely happy.

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  45. on March 16, 2011 at 4:57 pm VI

    When I think back to my longest LTR, I realize I unknowingly used bad-boy game early in the relationship. I sold weed in undergrad, nothing major just enough to keep me smoking for free. One night when I was driving back to my place with Dana, I needed to stop at my supplier’s place to pick up a QP, so I told Dana to hide in the back seat so no one would see her. If I had known about game back then, then I wouldn’t have been surprised that she got so attached to me. I’m sure I used organic game before this, I had plenty of girlfriends in high school, but this is my strongest memory of organic game.

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  46. on March 16, 2011 at 5:06 pm theprivateman

    Organic game… I remember it well in retrospect. I met my wife that way (yeah, the one that resulted in my betatude). Freshman year, Western Civilization class, I was on crutches due to a stupid accident and this tall, gorgeous blond opened the door for me as class was letting out.

    I didn’t say thank you. I completely ignored her.

    She fell in love with me at that very moment.

    She repeated that story to everyone who asked how I ended up being involved, engaged, and then married to her.

    She didn’t repeat that story in divorce court.

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  47. on March 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm Corporal Hicks

    Danger is the gasoline of the hamster.

    A boring beta gets blindsided with divorce papers from Kupcake “who has lost interest.”

    Kupcake wants a new life with Bad Boy Biker down at the bar, and Beta is gonna bankroll that new life.

    Lesson?

    Learn game or SUFFER.

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  48. on March 16, 2011 at 5:08 pm Fingerbanger

    For me, the biggest thing I’ve learned from game that augmented my natural game is Qualifying. It meshes so well with my cocky attitude and gives me a means to:

    – find out if she’s attracted to me
    – learn more important stuff about her (elicit her values) which gives me more info/ammo for the building of rapport and seduction or to walk away
    – it makes her chase me and gives me the upper hand
    – gives her the impression of abundance vs. scarcity

    I’m sure I could list more if I cared to. Qualifying a woman is some heavy shit.

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  49. on March 16, 2011 at 5:10 pm Sugar

    I have to echo Luvsic, and a bit of what Gorb wrote. In response to Luvsic:

    It was certainly the 3rd type of situation for me that brought the most clarity.

    As my game has grown stronger and stronger, I continue to remember scenarios that were totally in the bag until I made a beta move or two.

    The author’s post in fact reminded me of a time when I had one of the hottest girls in the office after me, based on no real game on my part, only her observation of my alpha behavior, and massive social proof based on her seeing how I acted in front of other men at an office party – in that I was clearly a social leader. She invited me to a bar later that night, I said I probably couldn’t make it, but then I showed up. Her attraction began waning at that point. In fact a week or two later, one of the other office girls told me, in essence, ‘she totally wants you, but she knows you like her too much.’ Translation and game party foul: Showing too much interest too soon, and not maintaining some aloofness and individuality.

    Although I too was never really an AFC, and am a semi-natural, years of yielding to too many LTRs with too many girls, and conforming to societal pressures caused me to slip in my early 30s, from the womanizing ways of my 20s.

    The author never wrote truer words than when he suggested a while back that the worst thing for your game is a committed LTR with no outside action.

    As I’ve slowly shed that beta-snakeskin that began enveloping me, it’s only enriched my life for the better.

    This blog has played a part in that, however there is no substitute for building game whatsoever than in-field experience.

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  50. on March 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm Anonymous

    What r u supposed to do when Ur so omega that no girl has ever expressed interest in u. Everyone that gets good at game seems to be already attractive but with a bad personality.

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  51. on March 16, 2011 at 5:12 pm simpleman

    Fingerbanger

    What are some of the ways you can qualify a woman?

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  52. on March 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm simpleman

    Alpha quote.

    “I’m 74 years old and even though I may be a bit of a rascal … 33 girls in two months seems to me too much even for a 30 year old.”

    –SILVIO BERLUSCONI, Italy’s Prime Minister, who will stand trial on charges of having sex with an underage prostitute and abuse of office, defending himself against the accusations

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  53. on March 16, 2011 at 5:16 pm Schmoe

    Re: Abundance of Betas causes girls to lap up game.
    I was talking to my gf and her college-age daughter at dinner the other day and the daughter makes some off-hand collegy remark about animals being better than people because they are never mean, just natural in their actions. I replied by saying, “maybe I’ll just act like an animal then, since they’re so great.”
    My gf says, “Oh, but that’s not an excuse to act selfish and rude, because you still know it’s wrong.” (a shit test if ever I saw one).
    To which I replied, “No, I mean, I won’t think. I’ll just act like an animal ALL the time.”
    At this she just flushed and smiled, and basically acted like I had just proposed raw-dog sex with her in public. Game-set-match.

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  54. on March 16, 2011 at 5:18 pm Sugar

    Gorbachev:

    Advice to guys who need advice:

    1) Go to women and female friends for advice. Listen hard.

    2) Go to men and get real advice.

    3) Go to players and get better real advice.

    Use #1 for counterpoint. Ignore actual words and read between the lines.

    Comfort is good. Alpha is better.

    –

    I would say it’s more like:

    1. Go out in the field

    2. Hang around alphas

    and then put your points below that.

    You can get all the advice you want, but I will put my money on the guy who is in the field learning from experience.

    Of course, the points aren’t mutually exclusive…

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  55. on March 16, 2011 at 5:23 pm The_King

    Game is like entering into the matrix for the first time and seeing it exist all around you. You can never go back up the rabbit hole after taking the red pill.

    I am a seduction machine these days, only foreign women can ever bless me into true love.

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  56. on March 16, 2011 at 5:29 pm Fingerbanger

    simpleman, Roissy was my teacher
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/qualifying-her/

    I even do stupid shit like following up my question to her “where are you from?” with disqualifying statements like, “Oh no, Boston, really? Boston girls are so uptight and boring. They just don’t know how to have fun.” Then sit back and listen to her tell you how relaxed and fun-loving she is. Then you can segue into future-projecting fun, adventurous stuff with her. Then qualify her some more.

    When you know she’s attracted and interested, you can reward her. I say stuff like, “I’m warming up to you”, “I really like your attitude”, stuff like that, and eventually “you are winning me over”

    When she tries to qualify you, treat it like a shit test, brush it off, agree & amplify, send it right back at her, whatever it takes. Don’t qualify to her. One woman was trying to get me to qualify on how long I could last in bed. I said, “Oh yeah, I can last a long time, sometimes 50 or 60 seconds” Deadpan. She questioned, “You mean minutes right?” “No seconds, sometimes it’s more like 10 or 15 seconds.”Stuff like that. Blow it out of the water.

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  57. on March 16, 2011 at 5:30 pm Wald

    I got my first experience with reality in ninth grade as well. I was so enamored with one girl in ninth grade that other girls were invisible. By the time I was rejected, I was crushed.

    I got a girlfriend in tenth grade after I’d finally let go. Ironically I was more interested in that girl’s best friend. I broke up with her, got back together with her, got cheated on by her, cheated on her with a prettier girl, and eventually she broke up with me because I, and I quote, “put her on the backburner”.

    Since reading game in eleventh grade I realize how many opportunities I missed and why my ex girlfriend chased (and still does) me so much after she broke up with me.

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  58. on March 16, 2011 at 5:44 pm luvsic

    the consistent excellence of rollo’s comments is a great match for this blog

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  59. on March 16, 2011 at 5:48 pm walawala

    I’ve had many experiences where I was oblvious to the fact I was gaming a hot chick.

    The best example. I had just come to Hong Kong and there was an exotic, former air hostess, married into a very prominent, wealthy family and who had a daughter with the rich, playboy son.

    She took a shine to me for some reason. I had no clue.

    She was always talking to me. I was always busy. I also had another girl I was “in love” with…

    The more I pulled away, the more she would page me, call me, contact me.

    Once, we were supposed to meet for midnight mass and I got the locations mixed up she arrived at one location, I went to another. She was pissed. I laughed off the mix-up.

    Then I started banging her. She was HOT, a 9. When I showed even the slightest bit of interest. She started pulling away. Now I get it.

    xxxx
    Fast forward nearly 15 years. I learn game a year ago. I begin gaming cute, funny girl. I do push-pull. I DHV. I neg. This goes on for a year. I bring other girls in front of her. Then one day, I set up a date and go in for the kiss.

    She melted. Now, I don’t really even have to game. She’s always accommodating.

    I constantly tease, push-pull, and DHV her. Through a more calculated approach, more consciousness of when to push-back on a shit-test, I’m much more aware of how to manage what is becoming an LTR.

    THe other important part of this gaming is when not to “over-game”.

    Guys learning game should read all they can about “Over-gaming”.

    In the case of the exotic 9 I was clueless about, what worked best was being selectively available.

    In the LTR, I am away all the time anyway because of travel, so she calls me, loves the texts, loves the flashes of attention followed by “I gotta get back to work….”

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  60. on March 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm Cyning

    The friendzoning bit reminds me of this
    http://www.peroxidecomics.com/escape-from-friend-zone-game/

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  61. on March 16, 2011 at 6:12 pm last tango

    @Catiline and @Corporal Hicks:
    yes in theory, it helps a lot to learn some structured super duper game. But in reality what exactly are you going to learn? Most of “mainstream” routines, “who lies more” kind, are, well, not utterly ghey bs, but still rather lame. I like the “horsegirl” though, but it’s just lulz.

    And even the ones that are good may not fit your actual style. I.e. some of the Roosh’s stuff from Bang actually fits me pretty well and I do use it all the time… On the other hand, can’t see myself saying a lot of the lines our esteemed host uses. You need to grow your own material. But you do need something. Just principles won’t work. I.e. with “buy me a drink”, a simple no is way ahead of actually complying, but it’s still neutral and won’t get you anywhere. Gotta have something to follow on, the “but you can buy me one”. That’s game in nutshell, pretty much.

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  62. on March 16, 2011 at 6:14 pm LDub

    Awesome post!!

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  63. on March 16, 2011 at 6:21 pm friQs

    roissy if u write a book i’ll b the 1st to buy it!

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  64. on March 16, 2011 at 6:22 pm Blahfingy

    @Anonymous

    I completely understand you there. Most of the guys that I know which have had success with game had it because they already had looks or social proof going for them, they just had the beta behaviors holding them back before. They’re the kind of guys with that deep voice girls coo over and are over 6′. Sometimes I wonder if game isn’t for most men but those who would have huge success if not for their horrible submissive demeanor.

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  65. on March 16, 2011 at 6:45 pm collegeslacker

    This post resonates deeply.

    First unintentional game? Stringing an 8 along in a fb relationship for 3 years in high school.

    Like the rest of you, after learning about the principles everything in the past made so much more sense… and makes you want to hit your head on the wall out of frustration. For a moment. Until you remember how many other hot girls are out there… And how many you’ve had since her…

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  66. on March 16, 2011 at 6:45 pm trevor

    What are some good resources on “systematized game”?

    My biggest stumbling block is how to approach girls and what to say.

    But I have no problems being aloof and being an asshole once they are actually into me.

    Basically, I can easily keep a girl. But I have to work really really hard to get a girl.

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  67. on March 16, 2011 at 6:49 pm collegeslacker

    Side Note: It seems, at least to me, the Game has somewhat of a way of amplifying the effect of “the one who got away”, that is, if you were with her pre-Game.

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  68. on March 16, 2011 at 6:50 pm Schmoe

    @VI,
    just because you sold weed doesn’t make it organic, man. 🙂

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  69. on March 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm julian

    “They’re the kind of guys with that deep voice girls coo over and are over 6′. Sometimes I wonder if game isn’t for most men but those who would have huge success if not for their horrible submissive demeanor.”

    NO NO NO, did i say no ?

    Game can and will help like our host says bed women 1+2 points higher than what he can get normally. From what I’ve seen in my own experiences this is very true.

    That said, I believe in a “full body” approach to game. Meaning start improving your looks via weight lifting, get rid of all your terrible clothes and get fashionable, start taking partner dance lessons NOW.

    Add those 3 things right there along with what is espoused on this blog and your game will improve in 6 months SIGNIFICANTLY or I will cut my pinky finger off. REAL TALK.

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  70. on March 16, 2011 at 7:05 pm Paladin

    This post is painfully true. I spent the better part of my high school and first half of college as a shy, withdrawn beta who pedestalized women a lot and was, without exception, unsuccessful and friend zoned.

    Having decided to change that and having come upon game (first in a softer form of a dating website that doesn’t use game terms but says many of the same things) and then other sites and finally Roosh and Roissy, I have slowly evolved. Make no mistake, it was hard. Along the way I was embarrassed, confused, and often wanted to just give up.

    However, within a year and a half, I began to see many concrete results. I got my first bang soon afterwards, and concentrating more on aloofness, teasing and subtle negs made all the difference in where the girl would have been totally out of my reach before (I also turned the girl – a 7 – into a fuck buddy later). I feel confident in my ability to cold approach and seduce girls that I meet and have continued to have success.

    My prime years are yet to come, and I finally don’t have any fear of the future. That’s the power of the game.

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  71. on March 16, 2011 at 7:11 pm Me

    Being an obsessed Smiths lover is far too appealing for the budding teenage boy.

    I recommend taking him out for his first kill. Then he really has something to be depressed about.

    Or just make sure he’s awesome at sports so he gets that sweet cheerleader pussy, I guess.

    If you want to raise a pansy.

    I started to somewhat develop some game naturally as I entered puberty but moving into a predominately black and puerto rican high school right after moving away from everyone I knew when I finished junior high squashed that. High school was very depressing.

    They didn’t even behave like pack animals. Just wild maniacs, throwing desks and spitting on the floor. The girls fight more.

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  72. on March 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm Begby

    “That said, I believe in a “full body” approach to game. Meaning start improving your looks via weight lifting, get rid of all your terrible clothes and get fashionable, start taking partner dance lessons NOW.”

    Word. I cannot imagine any guy who would not benefit from game. Even if he is an obese, drooling, mentally retarded misfit, he will bang hotter retarded girls with game.

    The thing some guys miss though, is that if you don’t have the luck of good looks, height, etc, then you need to work the game a little harder to offset the negatives. Doesn’t mean it won’t work for you, it just might be a bit harder.

    When I am out at the bar or in public, I sometimes notice that about 80% of both men and women could drastically improve their looks if they just copped a clue and put a minuscule amount of thought into their appearance. It often seems that people are too shy and timid and don’t want to stand out and be noticed, so they deliberately have a drab, boring, ugly style. Don’t be afraid to peacock a little, especially if you are really short or have an ugly face. But don’t go to Mystery levels of absurdity, of course.

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  73. on March 16, 2011 at 7:19 pm stalkerdork

    This coming from a guy who has laid 24 women…

    [Editor: Next you’re gonna be telling me how many pubes are sprouting from my right nut.]

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  74. on March 16, 2011 at 7:55 pm Me

    @Begby

    What makes it even funnier about Mystery is that he’s like 8 ft tall. It’s just so extreme for someone who would stick out like a sore thumb without the stupid outfits. Though it probably started out as him going all the way to one extreme to help get over any shyness. How do you hide when you’re taller than everyone? Might as well embrace it.

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  75. on March 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm Samson

    Good stuff, especially the accidental game in the first one. It’s crazy how universal a lot of game concepts are for women. It’s deeply ingrained.

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  76. on March 16, 2011 at 8:25 pm yeahokcool

    the above video is hilarious. take note of how much older the woman is than her boyfriend (intentional decision by casting director, no doubt). basically, it is a shameless fantasy commercial targeting the beloved cat-women in our society.

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  77. on March 16, 2011 at 8:32 pm Tim

    Smiths….as in Bill Morrissey?

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  78. on March 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm senseiern

    @anonymous-concerning an omega and what to do.

    Most omegas are so far gone that they are resolved to one forever. Look up Loveshy to find the quagmire these shlubs are in.

    Having said that, the road an omega needs to travel to get to alpha city is long and hard. The thing is, you need to let go of everything you think you need for the trip and trust that everything you need, you will find on your journey.

    Then learn from those who are citizens of that fabled city.

    Or, just fucking die because most omegas need more investment than most guys are willing to provide.

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  79. on March 16, 2011 at 8:44 pm Nasty Zombit

    During my first semester of college I managed to wrangle a fuckbuddy in my dorm hall quite on accident. I consider this period of my life to be the apex of my embarrassing beta servitude. The reason why this girl got interested in me is because I accidentally applied asshole game to her because she mistook my legitimate disdain for virtually everything about her as being playful banter. After an argument in a parking lot one night, she took me to her room and we fucked. It didn’t soften my attitude towards her and we continued for quite a while.

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  80. on March 16, 2011 at 9:52 pm The Bastard

    Count me among those whose marriage disintegrated after buying into the feminine ideal of entrenched servitude. Discovering Game principle was like lifting the veil and seeing the world as it really is. But the cost of lifting the veil is you can never out it back down again. We cease to be clumsy actors in the play and become observers, commentators. We begin to live above the system and occasionally stoop down to take what we want before swooping back up to the heavens leaving a trail of broken hearts behind. After learning this I was able to make peace with the guilt and blame following a divorce and truly treat my ex with stale indifference.

    And then a funny thng happened.

    My ex has started to warm up and work harder to gain my attention. I have no interest but its fun to tease her. The lesson is thus – organic game is always best. Girls can instantly sniff out the disingenuous so your Gameplay needs to be completely natural. Take from the Apha spectrum whatever you think you can get away with seamlessly.

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  81. on March 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm Self-aware beta

    Further proof that AFCs and choosy femcunts are the fastest growing segments of the population. Male virgins have increased by 7%?! I fear for my offspring (assuming I have them).

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  82. on March 16, 2011 at 10:06 pm Self-aware beta

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/virginity-on-the-rise-among-american-youth/story-e6frfku0-1226015742567

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  83. on March 16, 2011 at 10:32 pm 31

    Re: Fancy Feast commercial — talk about reading something into nothing — they are selling Fancy Feast — urgo a cute little white kitten. If anything the women in the commerical is better looking than the guy. He’s kinda dorky looking — I wouldn’t give him a second glance in a nightclub setting.

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  84. on March 16, 2011 at 10:32 pm julian

    “The lesson is thus – organic game is always best. Girls can instantly sniff out the disingenuous so your Gameplay needs to be completely natural. Take from the Apha spectrum whatever you think you can get away with seamlessly.”

    Thing is most men are born with some level of game; it’s called being a man. Think of it like testosterone, all men have it, some more naturally than others of course, and there are ways to amplify it and also ways to lose a lot of it. Enter feminism and cultural programming.

    Also don’t be so sure that all women are so good at sniffing out disingenuous alpha game. You give them too much credit. You would be surprised how much posturing can get a man laid. That said, I definitely think organic game is the end goal but it is NOT the advice to give to someone who is in their first phases of learning game. That is closer to master level game and takes a considerable amount of time and effort unless you were already born with it.

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  85. on March 16, 2011 at 10:46 pm t_money

    @ Rollo Tomassi

    I love this.

    I feel this describes my situation to a tee. As a dissatisfied 20 year old in college, there is not better time to awaken and realize the fruits of my potential.

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  86. on March 16, 2011 at 10:49 pm CtZ

    Somewhat off-topic.

    But, watch this as a perfect example of who not to be:

    TV Blind Date – watch more funny videos

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  87. on March 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm Rum

    One of the benefits that accrued to me as I began a conscious study of Game is that I found that I was able to let go, quite effortlessly, of all the anger that I had been carrying around towards a couple of treacherous Skanks-Who-Did-Me-Wrong from my past. In hindsight, it was clear that they were the ones who had felt even more betrayed than I. They had felt even more the sting of a seeming bait and switch. Here is what their pussys realized “At first he seemed like a total Asshole but then he revealed his true nice-guy self. Fuck that. I am outta here.”
    Once I got used to the Darkness, I no longer needed to carry the dead weight of a false sourch of light.

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  88. on March 16, 2011 at 11:31 pm Doug1

    Rum–

    Great comment.

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  89. on March 17, 2011 at 12:38 am Fingerbanger

    More on qualifying. (Ok, some women won’t qualify to you, they aren’t attracted to you, so what?, next!)

    My natural game used to struggle in the early stagesl. It would start out ok, both sides had some attraction, but then something would go wrong. That something was me. When I learned about game and applied the basic concepts to my natural game, the application of qualification largely “fixed” my biggest problem. Before game, I would pedestal the special girls, the ones I really wanted for a girlfriend, and I would pump and dump the girls who were more into me than I was into them. I would lose the girls I put on a pedestal because I was chasing them, trying to make them “like” me. I was qualifying to them. Surely, I’m not the only one.

    (My natural game was built on having confidence, teasing girls, being charming, and displaying superior wit and intelligence. My face and body are above average but not enough on their own to make me the hot sex alpha stud.)

    When your first interactions with a girl are framed by her qualifying to you, there is no pedestal. You are the selector. You project that you are interested, but undecided whether you really like her. She knows you have standards. If she likes you, she will try to show you that she meets your standards. Being cocky/funny, teasing her, DHV stories are essential and congruent behaviors (at least in my game). Qualifying her also gives you contrast. When she is trying to win your affection, you can drop the cockiness for a minute, show some sensitivity, show some vulnerability, give her a glimpse of your romantic side, all which build rapport, and then go back to being cocky and challenging. Qualifying her gives you a means to elevate your value above hers and gives you information about her to build rapport.

    I’ll stop here before I approach Gorbachevian verbosity.

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  90. on March 17, 2011 at 12:49 am Good Luck Chuck

    My first experience with game?

    Had to be when I was 10 or 11. Neighbor girl was sitting behind be on the school bus and started telling everyone that she “likes” me.

    I turned around and threatened to beat her up.

    The tingles were seismic.

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  91. on March 17, 2011 at 12:57 am Anton

    @Fingerbanger

    “Gorbachevian verbosity”

    Nice turn of phrase….

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  92. on March 17, 2011 at 1:03 am Gorbachev

    Verbosity is catchy. Be warned.

    Let’s start a new chat. Tell us how you’d start gaming this chick.

    Hot, and talented.

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  93. on March 17, 2011 at 1:17 am cheshirecat

    Let’s start a new chat. Tell us how you’d start gaming this chick.

    Play “Toreador, en garde” on the banjo as a rejoinder.

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  94. on March 17, 2011 at 1:29 am Rum

    I would say to her, “I know David Broza. He used to live in my house. And you are no D. Broza. But if I got yur shirt off yu might get lucky.

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  95. on March 17, 2011 at 1:44 am SolveMyGirlProblems

    The first two words I ever spoke to get laid: “How much?”

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  96. on March 17, 2011 at 1:54 am Rum

    I recently put up some stuff in this place about Townes Van Zandt. I was not fucking kidding around. Go to youtube and look up David Broza + Townes Van Zandt. There are hours of it. On stage at my neighborhood bar. Sharp eyes might even catch a glimpse of Rum in his element.

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  97. on March 17, 2011 at 2:01 am epiclolz

    @Rollo that was great

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  98. on March 17, 2011 at 2:05 am xsplat

    Anonymous

    What r u supposed to do when Ur so omega that no girl has ever expressed interest in u. Everyone that gets good at game seems to be already attractive but with a bad personality.

    Are you fat?

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  99. on March 17, 2011 at 2:36 am xsplat

    Blahfingy

    @Anonymous

    I completely understand you there. Most of the guys that I know which have had success with game had it because they already had looks or social proof going for them, they just had the beta behaviors holding them back before. They’re the kind of guys with that deep voice girls coo over and are over 6′. Sometimes I wonder if game isn’t for most men but those who would have huge success if not for their horrible submissive demeanor.

    You’ve never seen an ugly guy regularly pull girls prettier than he is handsome?

    I’m short, balding and old, and do fine. My game improved while still in North America, after a stint of wealth. I went from an achingly long hellish dry spell to dating 3 girls – one who was a stewardess, another a 21 year old hottie. The third was older and I fell in love with her – bad move! Well, you only get experience through experience – don’t fall in love with an older woman! Choose the hottie, even if you sacrifice on personality.

    Back to the point; after knowing what it felt like to be considered attractive, my attitude shifted, and I never had a long dry spell again.

    And I am noticeably below average in looks. First glance immediately recognizably below average.

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  100. on March 17, 2011 at 3:02 am old guy

    @Gorbachev

    Dude, Taimane is awesome!

    Thanx.

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  101. on March 17, 2011 at 3:07 am xsplat

    Julian

    That said, I definitely think organic game is the end goal but it is NOT the advice to give to someone who is in their first phases of learning game. That is closer to master level game and takes a considerable amount of time and effort unless you were already born with it.

    I think interacting on this blog daily while daily dealing intimately with girls is all that is needed. The blog reminds you of the mindset, which gets cemented in habits in your daily actions, until there is no distinction between theory and personality.

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  102. on March 17, 2011 at 3:37 am Dorset Naga

    this post shows Roissy is a natural. my theory is still that betas can’t learn anything from game. attempts at game amplify an alpha’s strengths and a beta’s weaknesses.

    Roissy is a true believer with good advice and i don’t have anything against him, but most of the Game people are scammers trying to take advantage of losers. Roissy is naive in that respect. he doesn’t get it. he gets women but not men.

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  103. on March 17, 2011 at 3:58 am tjuan

    first real experience for me began with a BF destroyer… she said IHAB, beta self would have said nice meeting you and walked away.. this time: “is he against you making new friends?” then I took her out, asked if I could see her nails, said she must have over 20 pairs of shoes with nails like that, too high maintenance, no way we’ll get along, held her hands, said let’s see if you trust me and told her to lean back and held her from falling backwards into water.. i asked her how that felt and before she could answer… make out (while I thought: oh! this really does work!).

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  104. on March 17, 2011 at 5:17 am Anonymous

    Good Topic. Let’s also see:

    A follow-up on the Californication screen-play propaganda

    Discussion of Daniel Craig stepping out as Jane Bond in drag to promote feminism

    Discussion of the latest crop of Hollywood “hits” like Just Go With It, Love and Other Drugs and No Strings Attached.

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  105. on March 17, 2011 at 5:18 am theprivateman

    Holy crap, who is this Taimane? That video was astounding!

    Game her?

    Such talent is worthy of pedestalization.

    Wait… sorry… got carried away.

    I just happen to really like Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.

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  106. on March 17, 2011 at 6:02 am walawala

    Ghost of Girlfriends Past….Uncle Wayne…

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  107. on March 17, 2011 at 6:13 am Feldspar

    For real Rois, take a small break from banging and drop a book.

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  108. on March 17, 2011 at 6:37 am theprivateman

    @ Rollo

    You’re in South Florida, no?

    Let’s meet up for beer.

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  109. on March 17, 2011 at 6:57 am Anonymous

    Why more men have to learn game:

    This 32 year old South Carolina “bad boy” was chosen by a good looking 27 year old single mom for an STR in front of her kids but she broke up with him over the weekend. Instead of moving on like an alpha, he got such a bad case of one-itis that he told a friend after drinking all day “I’m going to talk with her and if she doesn’t say what I want to hear, something bad is going to happen”:

    http://www.wltx.com/news/crimestoppers/article/128248/28/Coroner-Identifies-Children-Mother-Man-Killed-in-Shooting

    He had a criminal record, had mooched off her for money and lodging and it’s clear that she had sex with him for a few months because he was a “bad boy” – she was certainly not looking for a businessman in his late thirties or forties who might have provided for her.

    Now she and her kids are dead and this clown committed suicide immediately afterward.

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  110. on March 17, 2011 at 8:07 am Anonymous

    Berlusconi is fighting back as the feminist-controlled Italian Justice Ministry is accusing him of having 33 women at the same time.

    He’s just announced “Even if I were 30 I couldn’t handle that many. The judicial branch is way out of control making such accusations”.

    Does everyone see how what’s happening in Italy with Berlusconi can effect all of us in the future?

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  111. on March 17, 2011 at 8:52 am Rollo Tomassi

    Actually, Orlando, but if you ever want to meet up with our central Florida crew look me up on the discussion forum on sosuave.com

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  112. on March 17, 2011 at 8:54 am Evil Alpha

    And I am noticeably below average in looks. First glance immediately recognizably below average

    @xplat.
    It is really hard to undo the feminist indoctrination in the rookies, but thanks for fighting the good fight. Girls should spend 4 hours in a gym, not guys.

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  113. on March 17, 2011 at 9:10 am TheVerevolf!

    Had my first experience with real game yesterday. When you get it, the shit has turned into bizzaro world. On is off, off is on. Women are no longer phantoms or insurmountable obstacles (the one!), but a field of frigging flowers, each begging to be picked by heap big strongman. You know what is funny though? Although I am short and intrinsically nice, I had put an iron lid on the fire in my personality I naturally have to please others! The lid is coming off, but it is controlled. Women want you to fight all systems, to be stronger than them! The truth is fucking scary, foreign and wonderful.

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  114. on March 17, 2011 at 9:25 am Michael

    Brilliant post…write a book, dude!

    I am bouncing back from the abyss, in a LTR with a 9.5, and I didn’t know I had game early on either. Just knew I couldn’t be like any other AFC.

    Things are slightly improving with info from Roissy and others,
    and I am picking up so much.

    For those guys who didn’t see divorce coming, any to the point advice on regaining alpha before it hits the fan would be great.

    I am aslo interested in time-telescoping, great for first night, but I am wondering if it can be applied to mid-week sex in some way. Got the HB back to twice/three times a month only on weekends, but that is a huge improvement from once per 2 months since she’s so tired, was rejecting my advances and only wanted it when she did.

    Great stuff.

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  115. on March 17, 2011 at 9:46 am theprivateman

    @ Rollo Tomassi

    “Actually, Orlando, but if you ever want to meet up with our central Florida crew look me up on the discussion forum on sosuave.com”

    Will do.

    I lived in Orlando (east side) for a few months.

    For me it was a few months in abject hell. Your mileage may vary.

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  116. on March 17, 2011 at 9:51 am DJ

    I just love it when I see a broad that was a couple-night stand for me 2 or 3 years ago, walking down the street with her chump boyfriend pawing all over her……dude, where’s my load? Oh wait, she digested it.

    Or my ex no. 2…..her new fat old and bald boyfriend who apparently cheats on her with hookers….

    heh. Good times. There’s always another chump.

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  117. on March 17, 2011 at 9:54 am DJ

    To add…..

    The only problem with game is all the mangina beta-bitches who will stoop to such low levels to cock-block you. That really is stifling me these days. I need to find new venues. You’d be amazed at people whom you thought were your mate and the shyt they will pull in order to undermine you. Astonishingly lame crap.

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  118. on March 17, 2011 at 11:19 am Gorbachev

    @theprivateman
    Holy crap, who is this Taimane? That video was astounding!
    Game her?
    Such talent is worthy of pedestalization.
    Wait… sorry… got carried away.
    I just happen to really like Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.

    She’s hot enough, at 21, to put some serious effort into it.

    What’s astounding is her skill. See her play that ukelele. It’s an electric *ukelele*. I’ve never imagined a ukelele or Bach Toccata and Fugue being so damned sexy.

    I had images of Gypsy fairs and sultry wenches wresting the hearts of unsuspecting young men and wandering off into the wilds to lose yourself in irresistible passion under the cool moonlit nights on a hill in a clearing in some Eastern European forest of dreams.

    If the woman *plays* like that, and plays to the stage so passionately–

    And it occurred to me: Combine beauty, presence and talent, and chicks who have it all really stick out. It’s so damned rare. A woman like this Tamaine must be one among millions; there aren’t that many who bring it all together like this.

    On the other hand, guys who do it are much, much more common. I have to say I appreciate the chicks more.

    If only there were more like this.

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  119. on March 17, 2011 at 11:22 am Firepower

    xsplat

    I’m short, balding and old, and do fine. My game improved while still in North America, after a stint of wealth.

    Wow! Really?
    This is the BEST comment (out of oh so very many) here today.

    Hey. Let us know when you discover how to open those little flaps called eyelids – you’ll really love this thing the rest of us call “seeing!”

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  120. on March 17, 2011 at 11:28 am Schmoe

    @Firepower
    It’s possible to be quite well off and still have no game. Trust me.

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  121. on March 17, 2011 at 11:32 am Anonymous

    How about a post on the way the US has become so politically correct that nobody, meaning zero people, who makes any kind of joke about the Japan crisis will escape with their job intact.

    We all know that Gilbert Godfrey has just been fired as the duck voice for AFLAC because he tweeted “I just broke up with my girlfriend but, as the Japanese say, there will be another one floating by any minute”.

    An assistant for Haley Barbour was fired for writing in a private email something innocuous like “I bet the song Sitting on the Dock of the Bay isn’t popular in Japan now”.

    Neither of those jokes are seriously funny (and it would be interesting to hear good morbid jokes). But let’s call of the witch hunt in America for people who aren’t pc.

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  122. on March 17, 2011 at 11:54 am Anonymous

    Ok guys, thats enough of the japan quake jokes.
    I have just learnt of my Japanese friends death.

    R.I.P So King Wet

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  123. on March 17, 2011 at 11:58 am Anonymous

    Apparently Japanese sunken gardens look there best at this time of year.

    I just rung my Japanese friend to make sure he was okay after the Tsunami and all he did was go on about his social life. Just kept going on and on about a huge rave.

    Isn’t all this talk about the Japanese nuclear meltdown simply an over-reaction?

    BBC News: AMERICA TO SEND 2 NUCLEAR EXPERTS TO JAPAN
    The last time they sent “Nuclear Experts” to Japan, didn’t they end up killing 105,000 people?

    Worried about my Japanese friend following the recent natural disaster, I tried his mobile and – miraculously – I got through.

    I must say, I was surprised to hear my Japanese friends going on about a massive increase in jobs being created in Japan…something about a new career explosion?

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  124. on March 17, 2011 at 12:08 pm Anonymous

    This is really bad so apologies beforehand:

    I wouldn’t consider myself good-looking, but I was over Japan the other day and I was reeling the women in.

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  125. on March 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm Anonymous

    That was supposed to be “I was on the beach in Japan the other day and I was reeling the women in”.

    Warning: Don’t use these jokes to game women anywhere.

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  126. on March 17, 2011 at 12:22 pm Anonymous

    Radiation leak confirmed at Fukushima plant in Japan.
    Does Shima mean “people” in Japanese?

    I rang my mate in Japan and asked him, “What you up to?”
    He replied, “My neck.”

    Death Toll Estimate in Japan Soars as Relief Efforts Intensify – New York Times
    Proves how efficient those UN rescuers are…

    I’ve just heard on the news that tourists in Japan have gotten their rooms upgraded to seaside view for no extra charge.
    How unfair is that?

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  127. on March 17, 2011 at 12:58 pm Trimegistus

    I do have to wonder how much of the effectiveness of Game is simply due to volume. If you’re out there cruising for chicks two or three nights a week, approaching half a dozen per evening, that’s 500 to 1000 girls a year! Even Roger Ebert could probably score a couple of dozen times with that many attempts.

    Is the whole PUA world, all the advice, all the tips, just a way to give men the courage to talk to women?

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  128. on March 17, 2011 at 1:01 pm Good Luck Chuck

    theprivateman

    @ Rollo Tomassi

    “Actually, Orlando, but if you ever want to meet up with our central Florida crew look me up on the discussion forum on sosuave.com”

    Will do.

    I lived in Orlando (east side) for a few months.

    For me it was a few months in abject hell. Your mileage may vary.

    Lived here for over 20 years. Can’t say that it’s “hell” since I haven’t lived anywhere else my adult life, but I’ve traveled and I can imagine that the grass might be greener.

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  129. on March 17, 2011 at 1:09 pm Good Luck Chuck

    Trimegistus

    I do have to wonder how much of the effectiveness of Game is simply due to volume. If you’re out there cruising for chicks two or three nights a week, approaching half a dozen per evening, that’s 500 to 1000 girls a year! Even Roger Ebert could probably score a couple of dozen times with that many attempts.

    Getting out there and making yourself socially available is a HUGE part of it.

    I have neither the time nor the patience to maintain continuous relationships with multiple women, but when I get a hair up my ass I will go out and bulldoze my way through a bunch of phone numbers which lead to a handful of dates which in turn inevitably leads to hooking up.

    Unless you have mega status it’s a numbers game no matter who you are or what you do, but being an above average guy and learning how to talk to and deal with women will improve your closing ratio.

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  130. on March 17, 2011 at 1:10 pm Dan

    @Trimegistus

    The numbers game is certainly part of it but not the whole story.

    If you approach 1000 women in a month and act like a sniveling beta-beotch each and everytime with no effort to improve, you will likely still get a few notches just from luck and being in the right place. You’ll get more than you would have gotten from sitting around at home playing videogames.

    If you approach 1000 women in a month and try to improve yourself and review the pros/cons of your approaches, your notch count and quality will be higher then the first option.

    So game is merely more than numbers.

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  131. on March 17, 2011 at 1:11 pm jeanne

    So, how do you get a guy to stop going beta on you? I think my husband was trained by some prior girlfriends, and it drives me crazy. Every so often the alpha shows through (“well..then suck my dick!”) and it’s a lot more fun that way.

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  132. on March 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm dragnet

    @ Deutsch

    “I don’t know why, but reading this thread and the replies made me extremely happy.”

    Because these are the words of free men.

    Welcome, brother.

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  133. on March 17, 2011 at 1:24 pm Bang Brussels

    As a child, my first game moment was:
    Me – You’re looking good today!
    Her – Oh, thanks!
    M – Today.
    H – Uh, oh… ok hahahaha!

    Second moment:
    Her – Blablablablabla
    Me – You’re too close, step back

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  134. on March 17, 2011 at 1:37 pm Gorbachev

    @jeanne
    So, how do you get a guy to stop going beta on you? I think my husband was trained by some prior girlfriends, and it drives me crazy. Every so often the alpha shows through (“well..then suck my dick!”) and it’s a lot more fun that way.

    I also use the word “woman”. You can say it in a normal or even friendly tone of voice and still get across a bit of contempt – just a small dose of condescension. Do it all the time and she won’t question it. It becomes “He’s just like that.” And you’re subtly negging her more or less all the time without suffering from any negative consequences.

    “Hurry up, NAME. We have to go.”

    Becomes: “Hurry up, woman. No one takes that long.”

    “Look, NAME, I said no the first time.”

    Becomes: “Look, little woman, I said no the first time.”

    When you’re tempted to get frustrated and say something, don’t. Don’t lash our or demand. Do this.

    Make a vaguely contemptful expression, as if you were dealing with a 2-year-old. Say, “Women”, and just proceed with doing whatever you were doing.

    If she’s having a hard time (insert stupidly easy task women can’t do here), then just confidently move in, say, “Women”, with the barest hint of condescension, and then do it, smile, and pass of the completed task to her.

    Does this:

    – Paints you as slightly misogynistic
    – Exaggerates your competence (always a plus – you can never get enough of this)
    – Reminds her of your usefulness; how much she needs you (at least to do task X)

    Just bring this attitude with you and dispense with getting angry at women for any reason.

    When they do weird shit, have a vaguely dismissive attitude towards them.

    I swear, this makes women drip. Feminists or not, they may get riled up. You just challenge them: “Yeah?” Don’t even honor the response with many words. That suggests you need to defend yourself.

    Maintain this attitude all the time and it’s gold.

    Never listen to equalist – feminists or manginas. Women want to be put in their place; they want to fuck men who put them in their place, *without being assholes all the time about it*.

    Just subtly remind them that you’re just better, without ever having to say it.

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  135. on March 17, 2011 at 1:45 pm Gorbachev

    Once you swallow the red pill, you can never go back.

    I’d never have been able to do half of what I’ve done, for better or worse, for the last half decade without learning what women were really like. And how to tap into their basic instincts.

    When you get right down to it, it’s like learning math formulas for physics or chemistry. Without them, a ball seems to fly through the air like a magic dragon or something.
    Step 1: When you learn the formulas by rote, you can predict the results and manipulate them.
    Step 2: When you learn why the formulas work, you understand why the ball flies and what flying through the air is all about.

    Once you do it, there’s just not a drop of mystery left in the whole “we don’t get women” thing any more. You get women. In fact, the script is so easy to follow, it’s almost sad.

    But taking out the magic makes the world a better place.

    What do you want – a Medicine Man whose cures have maybe 1-2 working ingredients added in with horse shit and fly eyeballs that works some of the tie, kind-of randomly, or a refined medicine made only of working ingredients, administered in small quantities, that works straight up?

    Anyone who shies away from reality is cheating himself. And his women.

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  136. on March 17, 2011 at 3:36 pm itsme

    wonderful post.

    my earliest memory of (unknowing) game was back in elementary school. there was this black girl ‘j’ who always used to give me a hard time and i didn’t know why. i naturally assumed it was due to the fact that i was in a predominantly black and hispanic school and i was neither, because i was used to getting shit from guys for it.

    she was popular, outgoing, quite cute, and had a bit of a rep for being bossy….you know the type. i on the other hand was a social outcast. i had severe behavioral issues and was always talking back to the teachers and getting into trouble. more than what was considered normal for children in a new york city public elementary school in the 70’s.

    one day during class i either said something to the teacher, or wrote something on a piece of paper about her and passed it around to everyone and she got hold of it and read it, that made her so upset that she was on the verge of tears. my best work yet. she kicked me out and sent me to the principal’s office.

    in class the next day when the teacher was reading aloud a chapter from some book and i was busy scrawling something nasty on my desk, someone tapped my arm.

    i looked up and it was j. i knew who she was, but didn’t really care. but didn’t she used to sit over on the other side of the room?

    ‘pay attention!’ she hissed.

    i glared at her but said nothing.

    ‘i said, pay attention!’

    ‘SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!’ i said in a really really loud voice in a really really quiet room.

    all the other kids looked over at us and the teacher shot lasers out of her eyes at me.

    j slunk down in her seat a good 6 inches and i laughed at the embarrassed look on her face.

    now she won’t bother me any more, right? i mean, the next day, she wasn’t sitting next to me. good.

    recess was a different matter. her and her clique of friends would always find a way to hover near me and my much smaller group of social misfits. i didn’t think much of it, but would still occasionally yell ‘get away from us, you stupid bitches!’ just for fun.

    as time passed our groups eventually interacted on a regular basis. we would play tag, but whenever i was it, she ran but somehow always ended up being the one closest to me. catching her was effortless.

    ‘run faster, brillo head!’

    whenever she was it, she always made it a point to chase after me first. never caught me, though. i would sometimes let her come to within arm’s reach, then pull a roadrunner.

    ‘meep meep!’

    she would giggle hysterically when i did this. i mean, we all laughed playing tag because it was fun, but she seemed extra giggly.

    one time at recess she snuck up and started tickling me. i’m very ticklish so in seconds she had me on the ground convulsing and i couldn’t get away. i felt like i was going to suffocate.

    someone called her name and she stopped and turned around.

    i jumped up, raised my hand and smacked her ass as hard as i could.

    my memory of the subsequent moments is in bullet time.

    she turned around and the look on her face was epic. her cheeks were bright red, but she didn’t seem angry or even embarrassed. i didn’t recognize the look and that scared me a little.

    when the smack stopped reverberating across the schoolyard she screamed ‘I HATE YOU!!!’ and stomped off.

    oh well. good riddance!

    in class the next day, j sat next to me. she didn’t give me a hard time like she usually did. in fact she was abnormally quiet. i was still a little weirded out by her behavior the day before so i didn’t diss her or shoot rubber bands or stick velcro in her hair like i normally would.

    at lunch things got even weirder. sat next to me instead of with her friends. didn’t say two words. she cut her sloppy joe in half and put it on my plate. i didn’t ask for it, and how the hell did she know sloppy joes were my favorite?

    she must’ve spat in it or something, cuz that’s what i would do. so i didn’t eat it. she said nothing.

    a few days later, things were back to normal, kinda. she would still try to tickle me, but knew when to stop. usually. she still occasionally stepped over the line and got a hard smack on the ass. didn’t she know better?

    fast forward a bit…

    our school was doing the musical oliver. LAME! they were holding open auditions.

    this had my name written all over it. they told us days in advance what the audition song was going to be (‘where is love?’), but it didn’t matter, because my plan was gonna be to go up on stage and WRECK the song like no song had ever been wrecked before. it would be the ultimate prank, the ultimate ‘fuck you’ to the school faculty.

    my mom somehow found out about the school play and had bought me the cassette tape soundtrack of the 1968 film. she actually wanted me to audition!

    i listened to the tape and couldn’t stop laughing. the songs were just so retarded. ‘where is love?’ was gonna be too easy to wreck. i almost didn’t really feel challenged.

    the day of the audition came and, as expected, it sucked. the auditorium was filled with kids most of whom had zero interest in this, but the faculty made us all attend.

    i waited until it was obvious that everyone who wanted to audition had auditioned to make my move.

    ‘last call for auditions!’

    i raised my hand.

    the teacher recognized me.

    ‘anybody?’

    i waved my arms and yelled out ‘over here!’

    the kids near me were snickering.

    the teacher turned and whispered to some of the other faculty and after some discussion i saw some reluctantly nodding heads.

    ‘ok, itsme, come on down’

    spoken like the four fucking horsemen of the apocalypse had asked her for directions or some shit.

    i got up and walked down the aisle towards the stage.

    when the kids in the auditorium saw who it was, all hell broke loose.

    laughter, jeers, boos, and other unidentifiable sounds erupted.

    it took about a minute or two after i reached the microphone for the staff to get everyone settled down.

    the auditorium looked much fucking bigger from the stage than from the seats! i started shitting little bricks.

    they started playing the music, so i took a deep breath and with the worst voice i could muster, proceeded to butcher the song.

    when i was done, i looked up and was biting my lip hard to keep from laughing with all the kids.

    only…..there was no laughter. it was dead quiet.

    i looked at everyone’s faces and all i saw was shock.

    i totally outdid myself. i wrecked the song so badly that everyone was stunned into silence. i was probably gonna get suspended for this. GOOOAAAAALLLLLL!!!

    the faculty stood up and gave me a standing ovation.

    SAY WHAT?

    a second later, the auditorium exploded with applause and cheers and screams.

    what the fuck? i looked at the teacher in charge of the play and she was crying with the biggest smile i’d ever seen. all the faculty members were smiling and clapping and nodding to each other, and the vice principal, this hardass ballbusting skeletor dragon lady, blew me a kiss.

    understand that i’d never seen anything but looks of anger, pity, disappointment, and sometimes even contempt on the faces of any school faculty member directed towards me, ever, before this moment.

    i was utterly paralyzed with confusion.

    i don’t know how long i stood there on the stage, but eventually the teacher came up and hugged me and said ‘you have the most angelic voice i have ever heard’.

    unfortunately, i got the lead part.

    girls never left me alone after this, and it was horrible.

    hindsight is a motherfucker.

    EPILOGUE

    about a year ago i was taking the subway home from work when i noticed someone sitting across from me a couple of feet away.

    she stood up to get off at her stop and recognition slammed into me.

    it was j! or was it? but it didn’t seem like she’d aged more than 5 years since elementary school (back then, she looked older than she was), so she looked like she was in her late teens, when she should be pushing 40!

    maybe it wasn’t her, just someone who looked exactly 100% fucking like her.

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  137. on March 17, 2011 at 6:20 pm lol

    How does a socially awkward AFC gain “social proof”?

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  138. on March 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm Jimmy

    @ Rollo

    That was beautiful. I, myself, am a 20 year old college student and have just mentally masturbated too much all my life, living in my fantasy world, in my head.

    That is over.

    The thing is too – though, it’s almost like this cognitive dissonance that keeps re-emerging. I want to emotionally believe it, and the paradox is the only way to do it is to drill in to my being that I am in fact, super alpha and D.G.A.F.

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  139. on March 17, 2011 at 10:22 pm cheshirecat

    itsme

    Good story, bro…so,

    Does it fall from skies above? Is it underneath the willow tree?

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  140. on March 18, 2011 at 8:05 am Evil Alpha

    @ Trimegistus

    Yours is a typical criticism that often comes from feminists because they do not wish to accept a big truth about women’s sexual behavior. A criticism which ironically undermines their own propaganda about women being just as easy to bed as men.

    http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/06/applying-skepticism-to-pick-up-artistry/

    But PUA advice is not a “brute-force” method, wherein a man tries all the girls until finding the ones that will say yes. Rather PUA is about efficiency. Almost all the techniques suggested are crafted to (AND DO) make it cheaper/easier/less time consuming to get chicks in bed, not more so.

    I talk to fewer girls than I ever did, but am getting more laid, by hotter chicks while spending way less time/money than I ever would have if not for game. If game is not allowing you to use fewer resources and bang better targets than surely you are doing it wrong.

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  141. on March 18, 2011 at 9:44 am Trimegistus

    Alpha: I’m a man, not a feminist.

    I just think a little reality check is in order now and then. Men managed to attract women and get laid for thousands of years before Mystery et al started selling videos about “Game.” It’s not magic.

    [Editor: Sure, but did those men manage to attract higher quality women and more of them than what they got? Game is power in the hands of men, and that’s why it bugs so many neomaxizimdweebies.]

    I suspect there’s a bit of “placebo effect” going on: guys who’ve read up on Game are more confident,

    [Reading up on game doesn’t make men more confident. Reading game and then applying its lessons and seeing positive reactions from women is what makes men more confident.]

    they approach more women — and wow! they get laid more often! In China I believe they use powdered rhino horn for the same purpose.

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  142. on March 18, 2011 at 10:29 am xsplat

    The thing is too – though, it’s almost like this cognitive dissonance that keeps re-emerging. I want to emotionally believe it, and the paradox is the only way to do it is to drill in to my being that I am in fact, super alpha and D.G.A.F.

    Not really. Remember that scene in some vampire movie where Tom Cruise is discovered alive after having slowly regaining his strength living in a swamp and sucking on rats?

    That’s what you’ve got to do. Slowly climb your way up, even if it means sucking on rats.

    Fuck older girls until you get your powers.

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  143. on March 18, 2011 at 10:34 am Evil Alpha

    @ Trimegistus

    I didn’t say you were a feminist. I said you share their opinion of game… which since you say you are a man makes you a mangina… especially since you keep beating the drum of “game doesn’t really work”.

    Here’s a little reality check for you. I got laid before I practiced game, but my success ratio was much lower, it cost me more time/resources, and I was banging chicks a point lower. I have always had confidence in buckets, but what I didn’t have is great technique… enter game. Ahhh confidence, and technique… two things women don’t need to get sex. Game works!

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  144. on March 18, 2011 at 11:04 am xsplat

    I’m nearly surprised people are engaging with Trimegistus, who is pulling out the most tired and banal “arugment”. It’s not even an argument – it’s a statement. Like all others before him who have made the same assertion, he can not be dissuaded from his viewpoint.

    For some strange reason that I can not understand, he does not want to be dissuaded. Something about the usefullness of charisma pains his head. It causes cognitive dissonance.

    Unless you can ease his pain first, no amount of reason or explication will alter his viewpoint. It CAN’T alter it. He is a true anti-believer because anything else hurts.

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  145. on March 18, 2011 at 11:08 am xsplat

    Speaking of cognitive dissonance, I had a dream the other night. I was thrilling to joys of touching and talking with my dead girlfriend. I was so happy to spend time with her. Then I realized she was dead, and that it was a dream. The pain shot through my body with percussive force. It was so bad I screamed out in my dream “No, no, I don’t WANT to believe it!”

    In my dream I was trying to will myself to be able to just not even know reality. I didn’t even want to know anymore.

    Something like that is going on with Trimegestus.

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  146. on March 18, 2011 at 11:27 am Evil Alpha

    I’m nearly surprised people are engaging with Trimegistus, who is pulling out the most tired and banal “arugment”. It’s not even an argument – it’s a statement.

    Pimp slapping is mandatory when bitches get out of line.

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  147. on March 18, 2011 at 1:40 pm xsplat

    All I can imagine is that Trimegistus is not able to imagine himself as becoming charismatic, and in order to sustain his self esteem, creates an impenetrable wall of belief that this is not important.

    No reality can scale his wall and intrude, or his self esteem would crumble, and he’d fall into painful depression.

    Loser.

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  148. on March 18, 2011 at 4:05 pm Trimegistus

    Jesus F. Christ. Read your own comments — talk about fragile self-esteem! I guess I contradicted some Holy Book and now you’re declaring me a heretic.

    Look, I have no doubt the techniques of Game work. I’ve even made use of them myself. But it’s not some secret magical art which must be followed by rote. As I said, part of what makes it work is simply the confidence it gives you. If you idiots could READ, you might notice that Roissy has said pretty much the same thing.

    And if we’re going to start calling names, let me point out that only a pack of boy-children with dicks smaller than their shrivelled, useless testicles would be so uncertain of their own attractiveness that they’d get all defensive and brittle like a pack of shrieking feminist harridans the moment anyone dared to question any of the sacred tenets of Game. “It MUST work! It MUST! Or I’ll never get laid at all!”

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  149. on March 18, 2011 at 4:29 pm xsplat

    I suspect there’s a bit of “placebo effect” going on: guys who’ve read up on Game are more confident

    Look, I have no doubt the techniques of Game work. I’ve even made use of them myself.

    Huh?

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  150. on March 18, 2011 at 4:44 pm askjoe

    “neomaxizimdweebies”
    neo
    max
    izim
    dweebies,what?
    neo-maxi-zim?
    cockas.

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  151. on March 18, 2011 at 5:21 pm Dan

    @Trimegistus

    I suspect you are troll but here it goes.

    If simply reading about game was enough there would be TONS of players and macs. Reading about something is not enough. If you could just read a few books and then be a hit with women every guy everywhere would be on it. It is not so simple. It takes a lot of work to apply and internalize game. I am still working on it myself.

    There is a huge gap between theory and practice.

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  152. on March 18, 2011 at 5:22 pm Doug1

    jeanne

    So, how do you get a guy to stop going beta on you? I think my husband was trained by some prior girlfriends, and it drives me crazy. Every so often the alpha shows through (“well..then suck my dick!”) and it’s a lot more fun that way.

    Have him read this post first of all:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/relationship-game-week-a-readers-journey/

    Suggest he read through the comments, voluminous as they are, paying particular attention to Dave from Hawaii’s comments.

    Then suggest he read through the rest of that relationship game week’s posts.

    Then suggest he read through Chateau/Roissy’s archives, starting with the first post. He should read through all the comments of the post on how to get back a girl friend that’s was done really early on, since Roissy provides ongoing one on one advice to several early readers back then, who report in more or less real time how it’s going and how it works. In reading through Roissy’s archives he can save time by skipping the more political posts, but he should read the anti feminist ones. A significant part of game and certainly the Roissy version, is shucking off the programming of all but the most basic equal work rights type feminism.

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  153. on March 18, 2011 at 5:25 pm Rum

    Trimegismus

    You are either a woman or a morbidly obese man with hanging man-boobs and the T levels one only sees after bilateral orchiectomies.
    In my whole life I have never heard one single guy tell another guy that he was acting like his package was small. In real life or online. That is such an overwhelming tell, there can be no doubt that whatever your chromosomes might pretend to be that you utterly lack the benefit of a testosteronized brain.

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  154. on March 18, 2011 at 5:26 pm Doug1

    Anonymous–

    We all know that Gilbert Godfrey has just been fired as the duck voice for AFLAC because he tweeted “I just broke up with my girlfriend but, as the Japanese say, there will be another one floating by any minute”.

    It’s appalling he was fired for that.

    But do us a favor and adopt some unique screen name for her, ‘kay. To tell you apart from others of the same name.

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  155. on March 19, 2011 at 3:06 am Jimmy

    [quote]Not really. Remember that scene in some vampire movie where Tom Cruise is discovered alive after having slowly regaining his strength living in a swamp and sucking on rats?
    That’s what you’ve got to do. Slowly climb your way up, even if it means sucking on rats.
    Fuck older girls until you get your powers.
    [/quote]

    I was going to respond with something along the lines of my addiction or copious amounts of reading of game is a way or means (in my head at least) that will erode the cognitive dissonance away. As Dan has stated, it’s really taking action that reinforces the mindset so that you emotionally believe it instead of just remembering stuff in your head?

    In short, approach and escalate. Easier said than done, but it must be done.

    If you’re available for talk, let me know – I like what you have to say.

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  156. on March 19, 2011 at 3:06 am Jimmy

    ^ I totally messed up the quotes and don’t know how to do it.

    And that was referring to xsplat, which I had forgot to mention.

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  157. on March 19, 2011 at 8:54 am xsplat

    Trime

    And if we’re going to start calling names, let me point out that only a pack of boy-children with dicks smaller than their shrivelled, useless testicles would be so uncertain of their own attractiveness that they’d get all defensive and brittle like a pack of shrieking feminist harridans the moment anyone dared to question any of the sacred tenets of Game. “It MUST work! It MUST! Or I’ll never get laid at all!”

    Rum

    In my whole life I have never heard one single guy tell another guy that he was acting like his package was small. In real life or online. That is such an overwhelming tell…

    Yes, this is a very strage tell. What’s most telling is the lack of rationality. It’s another argument by assertion, but the tell is that he assumes that the guys who assert game works are not currently getting plenty laid.

    “It must work or I’ll never get laid?” Buddy, guys here are currently getting laid, and explaining how to get laid to others.

    For some reason this bruises your ego. For some reason you can’t accept it.

    You should hear yourself – your rationalization gerbil is going nuts up your butt.

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  158. on March 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm Doug1

    Jimmy–

    The HTML brackets wordpress uses are .

    The HTML term you’re looking for is blockquote

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  159. on March 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm Doug1

    The brackets are:

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  160. on March 19, 2011 at 3:35 pm Doug1

    The brackets are the sideways arrowhead things.

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  161. on March 20, 2011 at 2:20 pm Linkage is Good for You: Obscure Edition

    […] – “My First Experience with Game“, “Raising Your Value by Telling Women You Have […]

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  162. on March 21, 2011 at 1:36 am old guy

    How about the Citizen Renegade You Tube Channel/Page?

    You’re getting enough of them it would be nice to have a collection.

    Just a thought.

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  163. on March 21, 2011 at 8:04 pm CtZ

    My (albeit long) accidental game experience:

    https://changethezeitgeist.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/i-was-raised-by-my-mother-and-my-accidental-game-experience/

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  164. on March 23, 2011 at 5:51 pm Epsilon Eridani

    Re: “Gorbachevian verbosity”

    Gorbachev, ignore that. I find your posts some of the most edifying on this blog.

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  165. on March 24, 2011 at 12:17 pm Gorbachev

    @Epsilon Eridani
    Re: “Gorbachevian verbosity”

    Gorbachev, ignore that. I find your posts some of the most edifying on this blog.

    Can’t please all the chickens all the time. So it is.

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  166. on April 19, 2011 at 4:01 pm Reader Mailbag: Fast Times Edition « Citizen Renegade

    […] saw your ‘first experience with game‘ post a few weeks ago and it kind of struck a chord with me.  There’s this girl I went […]

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  167. on April 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm Reader Mailbag: Fast Times Edition |

    […] saw your ‘first experience with game‘ post a few weeks ago and it kind of struck a chord with me.  There’s this girl I went […]

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  168. on April 21, 2011 at 5:58 am Roissy E-mails « imperiance

    […] saw your ‘first experience with game‘ post a few weeks ago and it kind of struck a chord with me.  There’s this girl I went to […]

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