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Raising Your Value By Telling Women You Have Stalkers

March 18, 2011 by CH

Preselection comes in many flavors. The most direct way to spoof your attractiveness to women is to be seen in the company of beautiful women. Of course, if you can do that, you’re not really spoofing anything, unless the women are friends you are using as pawns to pick up other women.

Another form of preselection involves embedding references to women in your life in stories you tell about yourself. This is the classic DHV — demonstration of higher value — that is well-known in the game community.

A third way to hit those primitive preselection buttons all women have buried in their limbic systems is to allude to competitor women who are attracted to you, but to do so in such a way that you give yourself cover from the perception that you are bragging. This can be done by framing the preselection reference in a negative light.

Letting women know, either directly or indirectly, that you have female stalkers is a huge DHV. This is particularly true if the girl you are picking up sees evidence of your stalkers. Now you might think that women would be suspicious of, or at least uncertain about, a man who has stalkers. They might wonder how badly he breaks hearts that he would accrue desperate, clingy stalkers.

Turn off your logical male brain for a minute and marvel at the reality that is the unflappable female head hamster. In truth, stalkers are a massive status boost for any man, unless the stalker is morbidly obese or old. A man who has acquired stalkers who fell so deeply in love with him or were so smitten by his charms that they lost all self-control and threw dignity to the wind in a futile pursuit to be back in his life, is a man who has otherworldly powers of attraction over women.

Casually remark to a new woman about your stalkers and she will subconsciously perceive you in a sexier light. You do this by furrowing your brow, frowning, and heavily sighing about the poor girl with emotional issues who can’t leave you alone. Double pickup points if you mention you have had to get a restraining order.

Why should stalkers be a DHV? One big reason: Most stalkers are men. Stalking is predominantly a male digression. So when a woman defies her evolutionary programming to behave as the more valuable sex and instead becomes a stalker, you know the man with whom she can’t extricate herself is one charming motherfucker. And other women know this, too. A man with stalkers is a proven hot commodity.

A man who is successful with women will find it difficult to glide through life without any stalker exes or infatuations. If you run any game at all you won’t be able to go five years without at least one or two girls aggressively making fools of themselves to be with you or to spite you for breaking their hearts.

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  1. on March 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm Gorbachev

    Not a bad idea.

    If I ever get the chance, I’ll try it out.

    Letcha know how it goes.

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  2. on March 18, 2011 at 5:44 pm Doug1

    Works.

    Especially when it’s true.

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  3. on March 18, 2011 at 5:49 pm Dorian

    Hi bro!

    I works just fine, I was stalked by a cougar and it was really DHV’ish.

    Bests regards!
    D.G.

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  4. on March 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm Laughing Shadow

    Interesting. I used to joke with women that I was offended that I hadn’t ever had any stalkers, like I wasn’t “stalkworthy”. I’d joke that my ex-girlf-friends were lazy – how hard is it to throw an egg at my house and drive off?

    They always laughed, but it didn’t occur to me that I was sending the wrong message. Good advice to keep in mind.

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  5. on March 18, 2011 at 5:52 pm Mat

    Used this last night, good timing.

    The girl I was with on said date randomly happens to work with a friend of mine. She goes to me “Anthony says you always have hot girlfriends”

    Buying him a beer soon.

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  6. on March 18, 2011 at 5:52 pm slumber_j

    This post is absolutely true: it’s worked for me in the past.

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  7. on March 18, 2011 at 6:19 pm askjoe

    Stupid, rational, male minds.
    I had the mecha-hampsterzilla of all stalkers and I didn’t even realize that that’s a great DHV. All because of logic.

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  8. on March 18, 2011 at 6:43 pm i hate yoga

    I have been stalked twice – it’s just annoying.

    But every girl I have ever mentioned it to wanted me to go into deep detail – which is easy – because it is true. As a value boost, I’ll take it, even though I would rather not be stalked – it’s just not comfortable if she’s doing it right…

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  9. on March 18, 2011 at 6:43 pm Ivan Durak

    I’ve actually had two real stalkers in my life so far. Had to change phone numbers, they’d wait to catch me getting out of my apartment, leave messages everywhere they could, got my friends and parents phone numbers and asked them where I was etc. You find yourself checking out of the window if to check if she’s there or not, your voice mails get full, you don’t answer the doorbell anymore, friends and family wonder wtf is happening to you. It’s no fun.
    The light version of these stalkers are the crazies who try to mess up your facebook or call you up at 3 am on a week night to be sure you’ll answer. They don’t need interventions, they drift away as soon as they get another crush or some new betas to hurt.

    Telling the stories can hurt or help your game though. Some girls will say things like “yeah but girls in X city are desperate” or whatever lame argument they can come up with to forget they never got stalked (in short: fat girls don’t drive men crazy. Calibrate). Others will shut up and wonder about your prowess in bed, or start telling their last “beta stalker” story.
    When I tell one of those stalker stories it’s to build rapport, a “yeah, been there” dialogue.

    Funny though how many hot girls seem to have at least one stalker. The guy who calls her every once in a while commenting on how pretty she looks in that dress or whatever.

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  10. on March 18, 2011 at 6:44 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    One big reason: Most stalkers are men. Stalking is predominantly a male digression.

    I’m quite skeptical of this claim. In fact, I’m just going to come out and say you’re dead wrong here.

    Mostly because my own experiences and observations VERY strongly suggest the exact obverse, but also because it’s reminiscent of other, similar canards (e.g., “men initiate domestic violence more often”, “fathers abuse children more often” — two commonly accepted notions that are also totally backward).

    [Editor: Alpha males get a lot of stalkers but the mass of beta males get none, so you are possibly seeing selection bias in action. I’ve no doubt that the absolute number of stalkers tilts male, because the pool from which female stalkers draw their inspiration is smaller than the pool from which beta or omega male stalkers draw theirs. Perhaps it would be better to say that the majority of the really obvious and creepy stalkers are male.
    Female stalkers tend to be either angrily spiteful or emotionally unstable and prefer to stalk from a distance, over the phone or email or facebook. Occasionally, they will pop up on front stoops. Male stalkers tend toward physical confrontation and harassment of the sort that the law finds easier to identify and prosecute. This is the difference that testosterone makes. You could argue from this that the law needs to be reformed to take into account the peculiarly female methods of stalking.]

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  11. on March 18, 2011 at 6:48 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Maybe there are more male stalkers of strangers, and/or of women with whom there’s been no relationship.

    But, stalkers of previous hook-up / relationship partners? Shiittt, probably at least 10:1 female male. Orders of magnitude, and shit.

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  12. on March 18, 2011 at 7:07 pm Herbal Essence

    I’ve had three stalkers in my life. Two physically, and one who used to reply to every website I commented on under my real name, gushing about how smart i was. Oh and I once had some disheveled black chick follow me around in a big city asking if she could sleep with me. But she was obviously just off her meds.

    Though I am not without my charms I am far from top-shelf cock. So I can only imagine how much guys above me on the totem pole get stalked.

    I would bet you society covers up for a vast number of women who stalk. Because, you know, the holey ones can do no wrong. lol.

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  13. on March 18, 2011 at 7:27 pm Max from Australia

    Confirmed! this works !

    HB ” so where do you work..”

    Me “its a secret… I can’t tell you”

    HB “why”

    Me “i dont want anymore stalkers turning up at the fire station..”

    Done Deal

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  14. on March 18, 2011 at 7:45 pm DEI

    This wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that Julian Assange’s OKCupid profile said something like ‘I have Asian stalker girls’ or some shit like that, would it? I can’t be fucked to find his profile but it’s pretty easy to find.

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  15. on March 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm J.S. Mills

    I’m always pretty amazed by just how many delusional psychos are out there. I’ve had a few guy allude to stalker ex’s or wannabes, and all its ever done for me is to cause me to question the taste of said guy. What kind of person would date someone for long who turns out to be a mentally unstable stalker? Who goes and seeks out emotionally desperate girls to ‘befriend’, knowing they’re the type who will become unreasonably attached? It would definitely make me extremely wary of having anything to do with that guy, far more than any possible intrigue as to whether he was ‘stalker-worthy’.

    [Editor: You must be a short bus rider. Ask yourself a simple question: How is a man supposed to know beforehand which girls will stalk him in the event of a breakup or an unrequited infatuation? You won’t like the answer of course, because it will put the lie to your idiotic troll act.
    Here are a couple of clues: “befriending” has got nothing to do with it, and all sorts of usually emotionally stable chicks can turn stalker if the man who dumps them or shits on them or ignores them is sufficiently alpha. You write like a woman who’s never been in the throes of passionate love.]

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  16. on March 18, 2011 at 8:10 pm Cyning

    What if the stalker is an unspeakably ugly girl? I have one such stalker, the sort who’s known for being an insufferable sycophant. I regard her existence as a DLV for me (if observed by others) as for such a girl to perceive a man to be approachable, the man must have some beta character trait that makes him accessible to the fuglies. Fuglies go for betas the way a predator focuses on the easier prey, if you catch my drift.

    Having a girl like her as a stalker is genuinely unpleasant. I thought the whole “treat ’em mean, keep ’em keen” thing didn’t apply to girls with such a low SMV.

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  17. on March 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm collegeslacker

    Solid advice.

    Stumbled upon the effectiveness of this a few months ago. Told the girl I was workin on about the stalker I had all last year and all the weird shit she did.

    Needless to say, she was intensely fascinated by it. She would bring it up occasionally when we hung out after that.

    I have since found ways to tell every girl I’m working about the stalker.

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  18. on March 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm Peter

    This is so true isn’t not even funny. I’ve had 3 stalkers in my life, and it’s always been because of the fact that I’m a professional who can emotionally connect/empathize with a woman very effectively and effortlessly, which is what I believe game to be in many instances. I’m not physically impressive, so it’s always a surprise when I realize it’s going on.

    I believe that a “stalker” is created when a person has an emotional inability to meet a need which is extremely important to them (either knowingly or unknowingly), regardless of whether this inability is caused by strategic inconsistencies or by emotional disconnection. What occurs is a very powerful “push” or determination to handle the need with one very specific and seemingly “do or die” strategy. It’s actually inspiration to be good to yourself and love yourself, warped into a very unhealthy way of being which is why it’s so painful for everyone involved to deal with.

    In actual application, what a man who wants to get laid wants is to obtain a consistent flow of “semi-emotionally stable” stalkers, or women who are very inspired to engage the man because they imagine one or several of their needs being met by him, and then the woman is able to effectively mourn and move on to the next attempt to get those needs met when the man doesn’t actually give her what she wants.

    An example is a woman being infatuated by a man’s looks, temporarily “stalking” him (and fucking him to keep his attention), and then realizing that other needs are primal to her existence in relation to this man. Realizing that either her other needs override the need for sexual expression, or that the need for whatever the man was offering her was either sufficiently met or no longer important to her, she mourns the lack of connection with the man and moves onto her next experience or attempt at meeting needs. The kicker is that the reality is that no one can meet your “needs” other then yourself, but why shouldn’t the guys have a little fun until the women actually turn around and figure that out for themselves?

    Makes sense?

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  19. on March 18, 2011 at 8:57 pm bfuller

    I have to pile on for this one. This is excellent advice, and absolutely works.

    I had a girl show up at 2:30am at my apartment, unannounced. The next weekend I was at a wedding, regaling my friends with the story. I could see the eyes of my target light up like a christmas tree. There was a very profound effect.

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  20. on March 18, 2011 at 9:12 pm Dan

    I am beginning to think that pre-selection is gina-tingler numero uno.

    In my biology textbook they talked about pre-selection and how the effect was observed in animals as basal as fish.

    The females of a certain species of fish preferred males who were dark orange in color. However, if presented between a dark orange male fish and a very pale male who had another female fish “with him” the choosing female would opt for the pale male with female companion nearly every time.

    Sounds crazy that even fish do this but it is true. Demonstrates how deeply hard-wired pre-selection is.

    [Editor: Yes, preselection is a powerful tool of seduction. That’s why Mystery’s tactics to befriend groups at clubs and progressively pawn off the less attractive girls until you are talking to the hotter girls is some of the best game advice out there.]

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  21. on March 18, 2011 at 9:24 pm Anonymous

    Off topic, but… speaking of Charlie Sheen lately.

    A trivia game on YouTube: Who Said It, Charlie Sheen or Khadaffi? (Both educational and surprising.)

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  22. on March 18, 2011 at 9:25 pm Peter

    How about we not only ask “how hard wired” pre-selection is, but we also ask “how do i milk it for every cent it is worth?”.

    I remember my first experience with this, I dated an absolutely amazing Korean woman in college who was the “girl that everyone wanted”. It didn’t work (long story, happily so) and about a month after a mutual friend, who was the daughter of Chinese business people who had moved to NYC went out on a date with me and she could not stop raving about how smart, talented, and caring I was. This chick DID NOT know me, and I was too young and stupid to milk it for what it was worth. I was actually confused where she got this opinion of me…. now I know about pre-selection and how it makes the gina tingle.

    So, unlike what many people say, your reputation and your history has a major impact on your life and on the poon you consume. If a man wants to really change his life to get laid more often, he needs to start ACTING like he already gets laid, and not in the stereotypical, adolescent teen male way, but in a way which actually supports his getting quality women swooning and talking about him behind his back.

    Press is press is press. Charlie Sheen is making a mint right now only via bad press.

    Sometimes BAD press, ie “He never called me back!” is great press for a man because it not only implies that one woman was preoccupied by you, but that possibly several were occupied by you at one time. Great stuff!

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  23. on March 18, 2011 at 9:47 pm gig

    any girl whose SMV is below yours is a potential stalker.

    [Editor: This is true. That’s why dumpster diving can be a risky sport for alphas.]

    also, once you get a sense of what girls do in facebook, you may extended to definition of stalker to almost the entire female gender, at least for social networks.

    the TYPICAL girl who is interested in you or at least was in recent times will keep track of the profiles of every single male who posts in yours and all females and also the girlfriends of those females. I’d guess the typical girl with a facebook profile visits 100 other profiles every week, not counting her girlfriends

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  24. on March 18, 2011 at 9:47 pm Bridge

    Women are inherently competitive.

    My first boyfriend had a stalker – his ex-girlfriend. She was hot but a bit crazy. He dumped her and she never got over it. She used to call constantly, come around late at night, cause massive drama, and even used to stalk me out of jealousy. But my naive little 18-year old femme brain saw it as a challenge, a competition. The fact she was super hot and she wanted him so badly as to act like a complete psychopath made his DMV shoot through the roof for me. In hindsight, he was a beta but the stalker made him seem alpha.

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  25. on March 18, 2011 at 10:06 pm DSExpress

    from Seinfeld:

    JERRY: Did you find out who stabbed him?

    ELAINE: Yeah, (Nodding) It turns out it was his ex-girlfriend.

    JERRY: (Like a father) Well, you’re not going near this hooligan anymore.

    ELAINE: Well, I don’t know.. I mean, think about it, Jerry. There must be something exciting about this guy if he can arouse that kind of passion. (Obviously turned on by the stabbing) I mean, to be stab-worthy.. You know, it’s.. kind of a compliment.

    JERRY: (Sarcastic) Yeah, too bad he didn’t get shot. He could have been the one.

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  26. on March 18, 2011 at 10:39 pm julian

    game advice:

    girl i have been texting back and forth with just invited me to a party with a bunch of her “friends”. i number closed this girl on the train a couple weeks ago so our interaction was under 15 minutes.

    honestly i’d rather do a “one on one” but she is hot and rarely available it seems. she says i could bring friends as well.

    should i

    a) show up alone ? tho honestly this sounds like a shit test to have her friends suss me out. i am kind of up for the challenge in a way tho because i am a naturally charismatic guy who works well in social circles, i have a “cool” job and this would give me a chance to outshine her im sure beta friends. that said, i think i may have read on here before that these types of scenarios are to be avoided.

    b) show up with friends realize its probably lame then bounce

    c) dont text her back until tomorrow and tell her thanks for the invite but i was busy and try and reschedule for another day with her “one on one”

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  27. on March 18, 2011 at 10:54 pm Facepalm

    I’ve been stalked, and mentioning this fact does indeed seem to weirdly impress girls.

    I’m sure delivery matters quite a bit on a potentially bragging statement like this. The girl will look closely to see if you are exhibiting any sign of pride. If she detects it, she’ll know you are trying to impress her, whether you are bullshitting or not.

    The emotion you should be feeling as you recall your stalker is a mix of annoyance and disgust. Think about being hounded by collection agencies, or audited by the IRS.

    “Ugh, I never want to go through another audit again.”

    “Stalkers? Ugh, I’ve had enough of those.”

    Same delivery.

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  28. on March 18, 2011 at 10:59 pm Facepalm

    julian,

    I’d recommend c).

    But if you have a cool social circle, and you suspect she is wary of meeting you one on one, you can invite her to hang out with you and your friends on your turf.

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  29. on March 18, 2011 at 11:27 pm theprivateman

    Until the stalker is real and the police get involved.

    Note to self – stop dating psycho Latinas.

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  30. on March 18, 2011 at 11:38 pm AMF

    I’ve had stalkers and this does indeed work. One psycho would bring new guys she was dating to my job (I worked at a dept. store) and get into a violent physical altercation with them near where I worked so I’d have to run out and ‘protect’ her. I guess in her head this was supposed to make me attracted to her?

    I told this story to another girl who was disinterested in me, showed her crazy texts, and shortly after she became interested.

    There’s got to be some way to write fake, stalkerish texts and send them to myself under a girl’s name so I can show them to prospective girls. This might even be a good opener at a bar if I write it in that goofy gUrlspEak:

    “I just got this crazy text, what the hell does this mean? This crazy, stalker won’t leave me alone! Want to make out? Etc.”

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  31. on March 19, 2011 at 12:10 am Tim

    Agree with Poxy. Female stalkers outnumber male. Urban legend that males are. Yes, creepy stalkers in aggregate are male, but jilted exes are overwhelmingly female. That being said, I did recently post a bunch of conversations from two ex girlfriends on my fb wall, cos there is one chick I want to make sure sees it. I knew it would be a DHV, and it is. Said chick has been sending me messages lately ever since the convos were posted. Preselection, baby. Works every time.

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  32. on March 19, 2011 at 12:57 am Jamez

    Argee with roissey.

    I wonder if the same girls stalk new guys. Or new girls stalk the same guys

    I have also noticed that girls that have been beaten by ex boyfriends are good at driving men crazy ( the girls made them want hit them)

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  33. on March 19, 2011 at 1:09 am Rum

    Having a for-real stalker is not so much different than being held up in a deadly serious gun-point robbery . Concentrates the mind… Empties the conscience…

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  34. on March 19, 2011 at 1:30 am CH

    julian

    An invitation to meet with her and her friends is an invitation to become one of her beta orbiters. Trust me, you’re not going to outshine her beta orbiters by doing exactly what all of them did… which was probably show up to one of this girl’s parties to be faux friendly while competing with other beta orbiters to be the “most charismatic”.

    Going alone is terrible. You would obviously be going just because she’ll be there, plus you’re demonstrating a willingness qualify for her (the panel of judges awaits!) before she’s done anything to actually merit your interest.

    Going with your friends is probably even worse, as it means that you and your crew orchestrated its social schedule around this one girl.

    Two suggestions:

    – Make it clear that you will only meet one-on-one for a DATE. Romantic intent. Your insistence on this is one way you can genuinely show up her beta orbiters, as none of them has the balls to put it on the line like this. And if she’s not willing to meet you on these terms, there was zero attraction from the get-go, and you are exceedingly unlikely to turn that around via less direct routes.

    – Take your buddies to a bar near where she’ll be. Have fun like you always do. Run a few sets (you may need some pawns later). If she inquires, she’s free to come join you and your crew at your location, but you are utterly uninterested in joining her at hers.

    Good luck julian!

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  35. on March 19, 2011 at 1:59 am George

    “Yeah, I can’t be your friend on Facebook. My ex has too many of her friends looking me up and following me online. Maybe if I knew you better.” Sure, more than a hint of beta, but maybe it kept the conversation flowing with my current LTR at the beginning.

    As far as the unpredictability of who is a stalker, let’s not forget the doctor who fell down the chimney (linked to here, I believe) and of course the astronaut who made the news. Either should have seemed like a normal-ish woman until the stalking began.

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  36. on March 19, 2011 at 3:37 am Niro

    Stalker stories can be useful but should be told so that they subtely highlight your stalker-worthiness but don’t dwell on how batshit crazy the stalker was since this can overwhelm the intended dhv.

    I’ve had a handful of clingers but only one stage 5- she was a 6 I worked with at a restaurant who developed an obsession with me. I realized only in retrospect that I was running textbook aloof asshole game on her- I would give her attention when we would work the slow tuesday night shift, but would otherwise ignore her during the shifts when the hot chicks worked. Later when I began exclusively dating another co-worker weird shit started to happen; the final act was when the psycho called my work pretending to be a cousin of my then gf and telling my manager that my gf had been in a horrible car accident and had been rushed to the hospital. After making some frantic phone calls I realized that it was all a sick joke and the psycho was the culprit.

    When I have told other girls about this it didn’t have exactly the intended dhv effect I had hoped. I think the reason is because this chick’s psycho behavior was so beyond the pale that it crossed the line from stalker who is a nuisance to stalker that requires a restraining order and my listener would only remember the fact that the chick was fucking crazy and not that I was a cool charming guy.

    When telling your stalker stories reveal how you have, from time to time, gotten into girls heads but don’t give the impression that once you are in there you completely mind fuck them.

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  37. on March 19, 2011 at 5:48 am Feldspar

    I’m sure this works gangbusters for the simple fact that chicks love to talk shit about each other, especially one they don’t know and have no reason to feel bad for acting like a bitch towards.

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  38. on March 19, 2011 at 5:50 am Brad Branson

    Yeah, this can be a very powerful tool.

    Jealousy is a very strong emotion.

    The only caveat I would add is that this is a useful tactic PRE having sex with the girl.

    But I’ve made the mistake too many times where I’ll use the same tactics POST having sex, in which only leads to jealousy about you cheating, or her trying to tie you down into an exclusive relationship real quick…

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  39. on March 19, 2011 at 6:12 am xsplat

    Some good advice was given to Julian above. My first thought was also negative. Meeting at the girls party is too similar to facebook – it’s a female social arrangement at heart, one set up for fail. You want to bring her into your world.

    I never make any date that is not a date date, and I never let the girl frame it in any other words. I need private time with her. Anything else is her telling me that she wants me to fail.

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  40. on March 19, 2011 at 6:19 am xsplat

    Brad, it’s not just a tactic for pre-sex. If that’s how it’s playing out for you, you don’t know how to pass extreme shit tests.

    I sometimes have girls pounding on my door while I’m with another. Insults fly, and I’ve had to drag a girl away. That was a few months ago with my stalker outside and my hottie inside. A few nights ago it was my hottie outside, with live in girlfriend inside. They arranged things by text that the hottie would go away for a few minutes to allow the live in to quietly go out so the hottie could visit.

    I get major flack for this kind of shit – but as I handle it well, the flack dies down, mostly. Today the two close girls are supposed to go out shopping together.

    As for real nutbar stalkers, they can be dangerous. I’ve had to move and change cellphones, and the stalker still tried to fuck up my life. My business was seriously hurt by her, and there was some threat of fake police charges. In her mind she either owned me or she’d ruin me. BPD hell.

    Good fuck though.

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  41. on March 19, 2011 at 6:43 am xsplat

    The previous time I maintained MLTRs, I would also commonly have girls pounding on the door while I was fucking. I even had a girl walk into my room while I was on top of another.

    It never once caused a breakup.

    You’d think it would, but real life doesn’t work that way.

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  42. on March 19, 2011 at 6:50 am Brad Branson

    Haha, yeah there’s not much you can do when they’re knocking on your window. 🙂

    I’m talking specifically about orally dropping hints and that sort of stuff, there’s a right time and a wrong time.

    As for restraining orders and girls freaking out, that’s usually more of a screening issue than anything else.

    Too bad the best ones in bed are usually the crazy ones…

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  43. on March 19, 2011 at 7:01 am xsplat

    Screening? You mean you get to know a girl BEFORE you have sex with her?

    Serious?

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  44. on March 19, 2011 at 7:07 am Paladin

    Related to great song which explains why betas will never be able to sack up and call girls out for bad behavior:

    I happened yesterday to have a date with a girl I met through internet dating (a bad idea). While she was sweet/flirty/romantic in her messages and looked sexy in her profile pic (also bad idea – girls who don’t have any pics of themselves), in reality she turned out to be withdrawn, talking about wrong things, poor looking and is overweight and with really ugly hair, no more than a 3 or 4.

    At that point, the erection that I had expected had already curled up and died and I pondered just leaving but I decided to stick around for an hour or two and not be too flirty, worrying that she would get the wrong idea.

    It wasn’t long until she started moaning about how she can’t find the right man because she is only attracted to tall, dark guys (go figure), at which point I blurted out that I was worried how to tell her that but that I saw this only as being friends.
    She continued rambling about how a guy had a crush on her for 4 years “but she wasn’t feeling it” and how later he came up and kissed her out of the blue and she was shocked and rebuffed him… and in college, she just “couldn’t find the right person because there are plenty of cute guys but none seem to like her”.
    When I finally told her that “she was quite different than what I had expected,” she went all ears and was unable to figure out what that might be. She is 20 years old but looks like 35.

    When even a 4 can have a huge history of guys crushing on her and spurning them and thinking about how the tall, dark prince is the only man fit for her, where is this world going? To score some decent pussy, an ever-increasing amounts of game will be needed by every man other than rock stars and billionaires. One more reason to step up the learning.

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  45. on March 19, 2011 at 7:18 am xsplat

    Paladin

    I pondered just leaving but I decided to stick around for an hour or two and not be too flirty

    Why?

    And since you chose to stick around and interact with the girl, did you do so superficially with every sentence being banal, or did you make a meaningful connection and therefore neg her hard?

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  46. on March 19, 2011 at 7:23 am xsplat

    I’m not being snarky – who here gets to know a girl before sex?

    How does that work?

    I honestly can’t even imagine it. I’ve never done that once. It’s nearly impossible to do, unless you do social circle sex with work buddies or class mates or some such.

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  47. on March 19, 2011 at 8:33 am senseiern

    OK, I accept this, but I have questions.

    What if the ex still calls me? What if this ex tried to kill me while I was sleeping in bed? What if she showed up at my door with a shotgun? What if the judge denied the restraining order because fhe was a friend of the judge?

    How many details should I give before I say, “It’s complicated.”?

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  48. on March 19, 2011 at 9:17 am itsme

    i had an ex who stalked me for a while and then committed suicide.

    i don’t view this as dhv, but maybe it’s the ultimate dhv?

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  49. on March 19, 2011 at 9:28 am Evil Alpha

    i number closed this girl on the train a couple weeks ago so our interaction was under 15 minutes… should i

    @Julian

    This is what I would do…

    Hit her back. “Always up for some free beer…”
    Then bring along a good looking lady friend unannounced…. Mingle like mad and a get a couple prime names and numbers… Spend 5 minutes with the hostess, then bounce and go bar hop. You can set up your one on one the next time she texts, which will be soon.

    However you should go with option C) because…

    You write as if you are overly eager to impress “(up for a challenge”) and that combined with her panel of girlfriends who will be overly eager to judge and her beta orbiters who will be overly eager to cockblock, spells bad odds.

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  50. on March 19, 2011 at 9:32 am Evil Alpha

    I’m not being snarky – who here gets to know a girl before sex?

    I do, but only for 19 year olds raised catholic.

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  51. on March 19, 2011 at 10:32 am xsplat

    Evil – how – through church functions?

    I don’t know. I’ve found you can’t really know someone well until you’ve been intimate in depth and time, and you can’t do that before having sex.

    Even BPD girls can seem normal enough in public.

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  52. on March 19, 2011 at 10:58 am Gamecuber

    I have seen this employed in the real world, and it just makes the guy look like a try-hard no matter what. And if alpha cred has not been FULLY established, it sounds like bullshit.

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  53. on March 19, 2011 at 11:27 am desiderius

    “i had an ex who stalked me for a while and then committed suicide.

    i don’t view this as dhv, but maybe it’s the ultimate dhv?”

    Asking that question is the ultimate dlv, so I guess you’re even.

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  54. on March 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm nucleus

    Keep seeing the same cute girl at the grocery store?

    Try this: “Are you stalking me!?!”

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  55. on March 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm julian

    game update:

    i went to a devo concert last night and i texted her back.

    me: “going to a concert, might stop by late-ish”

    she lives near me and knows that.

    her: “we will be up !!!”

    an hr later

    her : wher r u ?

    i text her 2 hrs after the concert is over

    “on my way home, whats the story”

    her: ” oh im gonna crash, been drinking all day :(”

    verdict: roissy forum was on point. thank you gents. this girl is a waste of time. luckily i went out and went to a killer show with the mindset of meeting my needs first. she seemed eager with her second text but that could have been drunkenness. im getting a strong “put this in the trash file” intuition for this chick.

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  56. on March 19, 2011 at 12:18 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    “If you run any game at all you won’t be able to go five years without at least one or two girls aggressively making fools of themselves to be with you or to spite you for breaking their hearts.”

    This is true even if you are going after church girls, though they tend not to be quite as crazy or persistent as some of the stalkers you get out in the general population.

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  57. on March 19, 2011 at 1:42 pm pimpan

    @Julian: +1 for C. She’s multitasking your first night together. Don’t put up with that shit.

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  58. on March 19, 2011 at 2:02 pm John

    This worked wonders for me last weekend.

    I was sitting at a party, reconnecting with a high school friend I wad a crush on a long time ago. Nothing too serious – just talking, catching up, rubbing her back a little (I learned here that making physical contact early is important – in the past I would have waited too long and got stuck in the friend zone)

    Anyway, an ex called me on the phone while we were sitting together. I quickly glanced at the phone, silenced it, and tucked it away casually, with a subtle grimace added for a little bait. This was like crack to her. It took about 15 minutes of hamster spinnin’, and then the following:

    Her: sssoooooooo… who was that?
    Me: Oh nobody… -tries to resume conversation-
    H: No really! who was it?
    M: Stalker. We dated last year. She won’t leave me alone. We’ve been broken up for at least 6 months.
    H: And she’s still calling?
    M: Won’t leave me alone. Comes up with all these desperate ways to try to reconnect. It’s sad really…
    H: Aww…

    I had her in bed within 5 hours.

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  59. on March 19, 2011 at 2:04 pm John

    ^^^

    Oops… 15 seconds, not minutes.

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  60. on March 19, 2011 at 2:25 pm duxbury

    I had a real one… gorgeous 23 year batshit insane stalker who was a former bball groupie at a top-ranked elite school. She ended up calling me all the time, harassing my gf… it got ugly. my gf (just as psycho) retaliated…. catfight… fur flying… and why couldn’t we just have a threesome and everybody could be happy?

    Did it help things? Probably.

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  61. on March 19, 2011 at 2:37 pm Anonymous

    A man’s face is his autobiography. A woman’s face is her work of fiction. ~Oscar Wilde

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  63. on March 19, 2011 at 3:39 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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    UPDATED Thu Mar 17 2011 09:04:12
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  64. on March 19, 2011 at 3:43 pm MT

    I have had a few stalkers in my day. But, the highest DHV for my life is the tale of a lass who wanted to bear my child.

    Bright, witty, beautiful gal who just really wanted a child with me specifically. Savvy enough to understand that I was not the marrying type(at that age, or even perhaps now). Yet, still pining for my DNA.

    She even went to the lengths of having her lawyer draw up paperwork to relinquish me of parental rights, obligations etc..

    During this time I had looked up previous scenarios such as this. Wherein the paternal father even after relinquishing his rights could still be sued/chased for child support and or other legalese. As ego boosting as this was, one cannot fall victim to the Fem-child axis of indebtedness.

    I politely declined but the stalking was insane after I rejected her need for seed. Sometimes I ponder what life would have been like if I had went ahead with the deal. Lifes mysteries I surmise.

    And yes, this story is told frequently.

    A pin drop to be heard, as quiet as the room gets with all the hamsters standing still in silent amazement. Rousing the tingle Tarrasque awake from a deep slumber.

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  65. on March 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm Paladin

    Xsplat, it was in another city where I was visiting on business and had a meeting with her as well. I decided that it would be a bit too awkward to just leave her from the start. As for the game… yes, there was standard game with negs et al., but we will never know 😛

    I do get to know the girl before having sex with her – to each one the way that works the best for him.

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  66. on March 19, 2011 at 3:58 pm xsplat

    Palladin – how do you get to now a girl before having sex with her, and what does that mean to you?

    I’ve found that intimate knowledge of a girl – especially her inner crazy, is not learned over a few cups of coffee.

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  67. on March 19, 2011 at 4:35 pm Paladin

    Oh that’s true, some of the inner craziness is only uncovered after having sex. But it’s just one aspect of the overall craziness that a woman manifests – and some of it can be picked up over coffee too. Whether that counts as “knowing her”… does it matter?

    I think Roosh had a good post on this topic too, something called “Until you try to bang a girl…”

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  68. on March 19, 2011 at 4:47 pm xsplat

    Ya, I don’t see that there is a conservative approach to beginning intimacy with a girl. You glance down at the lake, get a first impression, then jump in.

    It’s fuck or don’t fuck. Within the first hour, after a month – what’s the difference?

    The problem with getting to know a girl for a month is you might discover you don’t like her. Meanwhile you could have been fucking her all that time, and THEN discover you don’t like her. In both cases after a month you are not fucking her, but unless you act rashly to begin with, you’ll lose out on a month of fucking her.

    Getting to know a girl first wastes opportunity.

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  69. on March 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm xsplat

    And besides, the longer you spend time around a girl without fucking, the more friend zoned you become.

    Move fast.

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  70. on March 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm RC

    I’ll never forget a few years ago I was watching some reality show, kind of like big brother, and there were a bunch of people interacting in a room. A black dude, a real smooth silky sounding motherfucker, slipped into the conversation that he had to get a restraining order on his ex girlfriend.

    Two black women were sitting beside him, and I’ll be fucked if I didn’t see their faces literally morph into an expression of animal lust. Their eyes light up, their bodylanguage opened to him, and no doubt a frisson of tingles ran through their pussies. His value just exploded through the roof.

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  71. on March 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm unfrozencaveman

    “Turn off your logical male brain for a minute…”

    Ha! I ❤ this!

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  72. on March 19, 2011 at 7:33 pm Brad Branson

    @xsplat:

    With my travel schedule, 80-90% of my lays are ONS style, so I definitely don’t get to know the girl on a descriptive level.

    What I mean by that is that I don’t know how many relatives she has, what she does for work, or what her life goals are…

    But there some salient indicators if a girl is high or low self esteem, low self esteem being the #1 indicator to whether she is going to be a crazy stalker, or more level headed.

    It’s mostly an intuitive thing I guess, but there are also outward things in appearance and the like.

    “Biters”, girls that bite down hard on your lip are one example. There is a VERY high correlation between biters and them having some sort of sexual abuse in their past.

    Girls that dress more “sparkly.”

    Strippers, dancers, service industry girls, fit the bill as usually more low self esteem “damaged goods.”

    I don’t think the lawyer girl, with the closed toe shoes and wearing heels is going to be banging on your door at 4AM or breaking your car windows.

    Also, how they respond to dominance, how emotional they are, their mood swings…

    These things can all be discerned in 30 minutes from how the girl is reacting towards you.

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  73. on March 19, 2011 at 7:39 pm Brad Branson

    meant to say pearls not heel there…

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  74. on March 19, 2011 at 9:22 pm Me

    Since I don’t have a twitter I will say that if a vegan is in poor health it’s because he isn’t eating enough fruits and greens and is instead stuffing his stupid face with high fat cooked vegetarian food. There is no reason to eat an animal. See the high endurance athletes on 30bananasaday.com and look up durianriders and thefruitarian (who only had 1 health incident after sleeping too little between ultra marathons) on Youtube and Dr. Doug Graham for proof.

    Or keep stuffing your face with disgusting seasonings and carcasses so you can stink up the joint with your stink.

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  75. on March 19, 2011 at 11:11 pm RC

    Flatulence is highest in vegans and vegetarians.

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  76. on March 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm RC

    Sorry, didn’t mean to feed some troll.

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  77. on March 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm Anonymous

    Stalking… like Dr. Jacquelyn Kotaric. She didn’t survive. The “on again, off again” boyfriend’s DHV must be some rippin’ stuff!

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  78. on March 20, 2011 at 12:03 am Me

    Flatulence is highest in people who eat flatulence causing combinations of food, or foods that, by themselves, cause flatulence. Stuffing your mouth with beans and bread is going to cause farting. Neither are worth eating.

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  79. on March 20, 2011 at 12:22 am Rum

    I am mid-date with Financial Chick. Since there is no doubt that she is a deeply enthusiastic Meat Eater all you veggitarians should just fuck off. Now.
    The thing is, she is nearly always helplessly drunk. Even on the phone in the middle of the day. Ordinarily, that would not be a big deal, but she manages a serious amount of other peoples money. Something to dwell on; or maybe not. The upside is that I tend to believe most of what she tells me when I am with her. The downside is that we keep getting thrown out of my favorite bars. Something about the other customers and their petty morals…

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  80. on March 20, 2011 at 1:18 am walawala

    “”And other women know this, too. A man with stalkers is a proven hot commodity.””

    The whole “preselection” aspect of attraction is worthy of further comment and note.

    Since I gamed and started seeing cute, highly sexed girl in my social circle and have been bringing her out and spending time with her, sitting, having drinks laughs in front of other girls I’ve previously gamed, something very curious is starting to happen.

    At least 3 other girls I gamed but never managed for one reason or another to “close” have come out of the woodwork and show me major IOI’s.

    This was not my imagination because l one of them said something that made my ears prick up.

    Cute, tight, young girl I gamed previously who I didn’t close is dancing and chatting with me.

    She’s “teaching” me new words in her language, lots of laughing and giggling at everything I say and making references to why I didn’t bring her back any souvenirs from my last trip (shit test). I say “I brought back something for everyone but you–big smile”….she’s giggling away.

    Then she looks over to where my girl is sitting and drops: “Oh, your girl is looking…..”

    Major shit test which I would not have been able parry before this blog.

    I just laughed and continued to walk her back, arm around waist which I then dropped and walked away.

    Next day I saw her, same thing. Other girls are holding my hand, it’s like there’s a subconscious competition going on.

    The best way to handle these shit-tests is to act normally and laugh off any comments rather than saying some stupid beta thing like “Oh she doesn’t mind….”

    Girl who stalk or who get the jealousy trigger in them when you’re with someone else have an innate sense of drama that turns them on.

    Don’t blow it by reacting. Just laugh and contine kino with a push away….That somehow re-enforced the competition aspect in the second girl.

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  81. on March 20, 2011 at 1:37 am cape codder

    GBFM

    Looks like Charlotte Allen must’ve cloned herself or started lotsa IMDB commenting accounts. Good thing she’s there to correct your grammar again!

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  82. on March 20, 2011 at 2:28 am Rum

    I kicked her out. It had to be done. No, she cannot sleep here – she has to sleep at home with her husband. Something younger than her is scheduled for the am and besides, she makes her living by slicing off, day by day, a little cut from the healthy living flesh of the working proles of the wurld.

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  83. on March 20, 2011 at 3:16 am Chris Beaver

    An RSD instructor at the Chateau? Strange bedfellows…

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  84. on March 20, 2011 at 5:39 am xsplat

    Ya, I agree Brad that you can tell a lot about a girl in the first half hour.

    I’m not confident in my personal ability to screen out the crazies however. And we agree that it’s often the girls with an extra dose of crazy who have an extra dose of allure.

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  85. on March 20, 2011 at 6:23 am B

    Roissy did you know that vegetarians can take vitaminb12 and fish oil(omega 3) substitutes to avoid “killing themselves”?

    That’s some pretty dumb trolling you’re doing there on twitter.

    Did you know that the overwhelming majority of people, i.e. omnivores don’t get enough omega 3 fatty acids?

    Few people take fish oil supplements daily(as I do) or eat fish 3 times a week.

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  86. on March 20, 2011 at 11:27 am Brad Branson

    @Mr. Beaver:

    Ya, long time reader… Just decided to start commenting recently…

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  87. on March 20, 2011 at 11:51 am Carmo

    I’ve only mentioned female stalkers once while I was gaming a girl. The stalker was real and so was my story so it was all congruent. Long story short I banged her that night. The only drawback I saw was her briefly question my taste in women but I think that was token resistance. I was running solid game that not so its tough to tell if this had any positive effect but ill try it out again as I got two fresh stalkers in the mix right now so the stories are plentiful.

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  88. on March 20, 2011 at 2:39 pm Linkage is Good for You: Obscure Edition

    […] Chateau – “My First Experience with Game“, “Raising Your Value by Telling Women You Have Stalkers” […]

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  89. on March 20, 2011 at 2:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea my woman’s tit looks like it is stalking me right now. Every time I look over it is there looking at me.

    he he he

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  90. on March 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm Shawn

    Speaking of sex, well, this is kinda off-topic but I know you will be interested in this Roissy because of your online is futile post.

    After much frustration with online dating, I created a profile, but as an experiment I made myself a 25 year old woman. I used a free stock photo of a woman who is a 6 or 7 on a dime scale. Within 5 minutes I received 4 instant messages & 5 e-mails from guys.

    No I know what it’s like. Guys outnumber girls on these sites by tones. I used to be a copy and past monkey trying to get women online but I never got a response. And I’ma good-looking guy. Now I know why.

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  91. on March 20, 2011 at 3:49 pm TrailTyme

    Who wrote this 5th grade essay?
    Hasn’t this been covered several times by the real Roissy?
    More discretion in who posts here is needed.

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  92. on March 20, 2011 at 3:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dam we gonna kill all the libyans now I guess america will bring feminism to the whole world at point of tomahawk missile.

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  93. on March 20, 2011 at 4:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    another country you can fly over and just see rubble everywhere instead of houses yay we are the good guy

    I wonder what they will label kadafi the people against him labelled rebels but it is his country so are they are they gonna be considered terrorists or just an “evil” regime

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  94. on March 20, 2011 at 4:54 pm Silver Fox

    Ho Hypocrisy….regrets of slutting & jealous of future slutting

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703899704576204580623018562.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_editorsPicks_3#articleTabs%3Darticle

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  95. on March 20, 2011 at 5:58 pm Silver Fox

    Libya, all Sheikdoms will fall, youtube / twitter is the ink / gutenberg press…

    Literacy doesnt even count; a villager doesn t even need to read …he sees video and knows injustice and millions march on the palace

    Woe be to all the puppets we propped up for 30 yrs….empires will form again and cartels of youth will dominate next century the guest workers will all go home, and oil will be at $200 and the region will be G7 in 1 decade.

    People laughed at China too.

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  96. on March 20, 2011 at 8:04 pm JonAgain

    I’d be somewhat skeptical of this by default, but I suppose if so many others here agree with this particular tactic — and it is being heralded by the author — there may be something to it.

    But the reason I’d be skeptical is that women are hard to impress, even backhandedly, by mere story. If someone tells me that a guy can saddle up next to a woman and casually mention an ex-stalker to his benefit, it would be the same as getting me to believe that he mentioned a fictional six figure salary and she immediately bought it. Not likely. Stories are cheap and this deludes their potency as any sort of device *in general*.

    Now, tell me a guy saddles up to a bar, and, while talking to a woman his ex storms in, drunk, angry, and hot, to give him a piece of her mind and a smack across his face before storming out again to smash his windshield, then yes, I’d believe *that* scene would instantly turn on his new prospect.

    This is one story scenario that demands real evidence just like the supposition of a six figure salary in order for women to buy it. Otherwise, I should think, the effect would be the exact opposite of social proofing.

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  97. on March 20, 2011 at 8:38 pm RedEmperor

    GBFM,
    Welcome back.

    As for stalker theory- fits in with the whole preselection idea, and makes sense.
    : Not sure if it would be easy to make up an account though, unless it actually happened to you.

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  98. on March 20, 2011 at 8:39 pm Azuzuru

    Fascinatinating article written by a mother struggling to come to terms with her slutty past. She carefully avoids the elephant in the room, i.e. the causal connection between femininism and sluttiness.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703899704576204580623018562.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicks_4

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  99. on March 20, 2011 at 10:01 pm Another Alpha

    Stalkers are not necessarily predominantly men. In the US I understand that there are legal benefits and incentives (custody, alimony etc) to a woman making a claim to the authorities.

    Here in Japan, I called the police one time to take care of a stalker outside my apartment. Once they had taken her away I apologized and said that I was embarrassed for having to call the cops for something like this, seeing as I was a man etc. They told me that actually 80% of the cases where they are called out it is due to a woman stalking a man.

    AA

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  100. on March 21, 2011 at 7:34 am VI

    Definitely works. I caution gamesmen to be careful with real stalkers though. Sure, having stalkers is a DHV, but the headaches associated with having real stalkers isn’t worth the extra poon the DHV may bring. You’re better off cutting girls off before they become stalkers and instead lying to other girls about being stalked. I’ve dealt with a lot of shit from stalkers and exes who didn’t become stalkers, as far as I know, but did go crazy for a few days after the break up.

    When stalkers from the past come back into your life trying to ruin relationships you have with other girls, that shit ain’t cool.

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  101. on March 21, 2011 at 7:54 am Sharky O'Poole

    Rum

    I am mid-date with Financial Chick. Since there is no doubt that she is a deeply enthusiastic Meat Eater all you veggitarians should just fuck off. Now.
    The thing is, she is nearly always helplessly drunk. Even on the phone in the middle of the day. Ordinarily, that would not be a big deal, but she manages a serious amount of other peoples money. Something to dwell on; or maybe not. The upside is that I tend to believe most of what she tells me when I am with her. The downside is that we keep getting thrown out of my favorite bars. Something about the other customers and their petty morals…

    Hate to say, bub, but nobody gives a shit about you and your wall street cunt. have you ever thought to notice, that this is the first response you’ve ever gotten to any of your tens of posts about “her”?

    Even if you write everything like a drunken attempt at a zen koan. Nobody fucking cares, dude.

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  102. on March 21, 2011 at 9:01 am B

    Rinse your beans and they wont make you fart. Knowledge!!!!!!!

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  103. on March 21, 2011 at 9:07 am xsplat

    Even if you write everything like a drunken attempt at a zen koan. Nobody fucking cares, dude.

    The autobiography is not the most popular form of literature, is it. I’ve led an interesting life, but can’t imagine that anyone else would care.

    And yet some memoirs are the most fascinating and entertaining of all reads. It must be the combination of subject matter and method.

    It is only social to attempt to make posts entertaining or useful – preferably both. A few people make good efforts. A few are pernicious failures. A line is crossed when the post is deliberately banal, and the fool is forcing suffering on others when they insist on “sharing” petty pointless banality after banality. Some craftless fools here are long overdue for a good healthy banning.

    Rum isn’t one of them.

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  104. on March 21, 2011 at 9:33 am Corporal Hicks

    Do not forget the “diaper-wearing-batshit-insane-Kupcake-Nasa-astronaut” story.

    ALL women are batshit-insane. It’s just a matter of degree.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250415,00.html

    Un’ friggin’ believable.

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  105. on March 21, 2011 at 9:44 am Schmoe

    Easy way to acquire actual stakers: match.com. When someone sufficiently hot hits you up (you should never chase on there, of course), you date them once and then ignore them. Now you have a stalker for life. They will hunt you down, facebook friend you (good for many DHV stalking posts), etc.

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  106. on March 21, 2011 at 10:10 am beta_plus

    This strikes as something that would require VERY advanced game to pull off. I’m not sure that I could keep a poker face for this for very long. I’ll try it w/my banter routine.

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  107. on March 21, 2011 at 11:08 am almost 40 yoV

    Yes, this makes perfect sense.

    If you´re a psychotic loon aka female or a sociopath like “our” slayer of poon here.

    What a choice, eh fellas?

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  108. on March 21, 2011 at 11:20 am JT

    I saved a stalker’s text message for years on my cell phone so I could show it to perspective notches: “I’m going to have your Brazilian WHORE deported!!”

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  109. on March 21, 2011 at 11:27 am JT

    Another story I got great usage from was when I invited an old girl friend over after reconnecting on face book, and she was so pissed I wouldn’t fuck her (she had gotten fat) that she a shattered a potted plant against a wall and crashed her car through my garage door. So easy to interject into conversation when facebook inevitably pops up.

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  110. on March 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm Ak

    Not related at all, but this just might make your head explode.
    http://sexandthetwenties.com/

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  111. on March 21, 2011 at 12:30 pm Gorbachev

    @Another Alpha
    Stalkers are not necessarily predominantly men. In the US I understand that there are legal benefits and incentives (custody, alimony etc) to a woman making a claim to the authorities.

    Here in Japan, I called the police one time to take care of a stalker outside my apartment. Once they had taken her away I apologized and said that I was embarrassed for having to call the cops for something like this, seeing as I was a man etc. They told me that actually 80% of the cases where they are called out it is due to a woman stalking a man.

    This was absolutely true in Korea. There was something about Korean women who hooked up with a guy – if the guy really pulled a number on their brains, they could go crazy.

    Calling a dozen or more times a day (or a dozen times an hour), hundreds of emails, Cyworld (Korean Facebook) assaults, showing up at your work, hanging out in your neighborhood – if a Korean girl wanted to grab you, she could go nuts.

    Men did this too, but not all that much. A lot of Koreans seem unbalanced by Western standards. For example, if a friend, for whatever reason, feels like not talking right now, he’ll just disappear. Women flake all the time, even women you see regularly. They just don’t call or pick up. Then three weeks later, they call as if everything is normal and they just spoke to you. That’s a specific Korean thing. If they don’t want to, they just refuse to deal with people on any level. And then they do. Or don’t. It’s weird.

    I had a “stalker” – in the rarefied, incestuous Seoul Salsa world, I had a woman who basically considered me her property. She was *married* and couldn’t openly stalk me without seriously damaging herself. But she had that helter-skelter look when I was there and not paying her attention, which was normal. She was hungry for acknowledgment of any kind.

    Eventually, I went overseas for a couple of months. During the second month of my absence, she had filled my voicemail completely with messages. They got progressively more taciturn until they were just silences.

    When I mentioned this to people, they said this was one of the most common experiences guys had in Korea. Korean guys are used to this.

    If your perceived SMV is higher than hers, the woman can just go crazy. She’ll do anything to keep your attention.

    There are stories of women going so far as physically assaulting guys there. The cops take a dim view of this and people generally look on such women as crazy.

    That said, lots of Koreans view each other as crazy. The society kind-of makes you that way. It’s really easy to be crazy there.

    If you’re banging a girl, being as blunt as possible and never letting her get hopes up is crucial. Make her think she has her teeth in you, and she’ll try to bite.

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  112. on March 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm Gorbachev

    One thing about female stalkers —

    Feminists write them off by saying that their attacks are usually not physical or physically dangerous, like male attacks, so therefore they should be ignored.

    There’s some sense to this, but what it amounts to is that when a woman goes crazy and stalks a guy, she gets a pussy pass.

    The wonderful pussy pass.

    Women are rarely held accountable for their actions.

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  113. on March 21, 2011 at 12:42 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Ak

    I dunno, dude. That blog “Sex and the Twenties” is pretty much standard Kupcake stuff.

    You know, “the entitlement-princess-exquisite-one-of-a-kind-special-snowflake” stuff that demands “special treatment” where you “pay” every. single. time.

    American Kupcakes are DELUSIONAL. Most have no clue that millions of American guys hate them, and see them for the dangerous, haughty, self-deluded Beluga whales they are.

    Pity any man who marries himself to such fiends, with the full power of the Police State behind her.

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  114. on March 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm Schmoe

    @Gamecuber,
    John, about 5 comments below yours, demonstrates the correct real-world usage of a stalker. Don’t be all “Hey, I’ve got a stalker!” Let the conversation come up on its own. New GF says, “who is that on your FB, always commenting?” Then you mention you have a stalker, like someone else said, treating it as an inconvenience, not bragging rights.

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  115. on March 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm Anonymous

    Female stalkers usually try to call too much or text too much. I’ve learned it isn’t so cool with a new date to imply you’re ignoring your boss or colleagues, so you might as tell the truth that you’re not interested in answering someone who calls/texts too much.

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  116. on March 21, 2011 at 1:51 pm driveallnight

    @Another Alpha & Gorbachev:

    Perhaps female stalkers/obsessives are more common in Asia than in the West? I’ve had Filipinas/Thais/Cambos camp out in my hotel lobby, threaten other female friends of mine on tagged.com, swear to ice themselves if a guy won’t see them, etc.

    I love SE Asia, but you really do need multiple SIM cards to keep from going crazy.

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  117. on March 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm Anonymous

    CR – That oral cancer study you mentioned on Twitter didn’t say if the “young white males” getting cancer were gay or straight. I don’t think you want to spread agenda driven propaganda if something is inherently wrong with the researchers in leaving out such a big behavioral difference.

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  118. on March 21, 2011 at 2:02 pm Sam Spade

    I get the logic involved, and I have no problem with the tactic.

    However, I find the word “stalker” and complaining about them to be narcissistic and feminine in the worst way. I hate the word “stalker” and how American women have ruined the word. Every woman out there no matter how unattractive likes to claim to having had one (for the same reason – attempting to demonstrate value). Of course, in their minds, a stalker could just be a guy who called them a couple of times after getting their numbers. Doesn’t matter – It’s a badge of honor and just another way for them to one-up each other. For every one woman who was legitimately stalked there are hundreds who believe they were. I think indulging in the “stalker” conceit just feeds the beast. Or maybe it just makes me uncomfortable so I will abstain. But I do agree with the premise of the tactic.

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  119. on March 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm Tunacrab

    @AK

    I left the following, but i doubt it will make it past moderation:

    “I am a self-sufficient, modern woman, but that is exactly why I want a guy who will “take care of me.” Sure, at work I have no problem going toe-to-toe with the 60 year old man who is the CEO of a large company. But when I come home, I want to feel feminine.”

    What an absurd, delusional statement. You will never find a real man to put up with this crap for any length of time. Prepare yourself for the disappointment of a lifetime of bumbling provider betas, who will never really make you feel feminine. They lack the ability.

    Your mindset is one of the messed up results of feminism. We’ve created a generation of entitled princesses who expect the best of both worlds. It doesn’t work like that. You will end up lonely if you keep this awful attitude. Men are sick and tired of this game you play. You can’t play the role of the professional, independent, hear-me-roar woman, only to turn around and expect to be “taken care of,” made to “feel feminine,” and paid for at every turn. Funny how you’ll turn off your “independence” at the thought of a free meal.

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  120. on March 21, 2011 at 2:15 pm what

    “Sweetie… have you ever had a stalker? hehe!! ( looking real sweet and slightly pouty) without hesitation he says ” aren’t you my stalker?!” lol!! I reply, “yes i’m your bad, bad, sexy stalker!! hahah!!”
    AIYA!!!!…if a guy told me he has stalkers….yikes!!! I”ll run, cause what if those stalkers he’s attracting come after me. There must be something wrong with him if he is attracting STALKERS!!! run, run, run and run (hands in the air….!!!)!!!! hee! hee!! AIYA!!!

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  121. on March 21, 2011 at 2:19 pm Gorbachev

    @driveallnight
    Another Alpha & Gorbachev:
    Perhaps female stalkers/obsessives are more common in Asia than in the West? I’ve had Filipinas/Thais/Cambos camp out in my hotel lobby, threaten other female friends of mine on tagged.com, swear to ice themselves if a guy won’t see them, etc.
    I love SE Asia, but you really do need multiple SIM cards to keep from going crazy.

    I don’t know about SE Asia (no experience) but, at least in Korea/China, there was no “survival” element to it, which might change things – expecting more from a man for personal benefits (people do shit for survival they won’t do just for love).

    I’ve had some pretty intense behavior, aside from the one stalker. One Chinese girl insisted I visit her once a week now that we were “lovers” – it was just some weird thing. If I was unavailable, she got really, really pissed – I mean, scary-pissed, dangerous-pissed, screaming into the phone/writing 20 text messages pissed. I don’t know if she was addicted to orgasms and had no access (I can’t believe that) – or that she was really picky pick pick picky and once she had a Lover, she wanted just The Lover and he’d better play ball. As in, “I’ve slept with you, I’ve marked myself, you’d better damned well deliver, now.” One woman friend suggested she was unable to have orgasms with other guys, which made her crazy, or she had no men generally and I’d been a surprise (no chance of that, for sure).

    But Korea did have a case of the crazies. Very crazy.

    Men and women. The cops took the women seriously, too. When you saw some guy hitting his GF, like a slap, you COULDN’T assume that he was a jerk and beating his GF; Korean women are known for being irrational, having bad tempers, going totally ape-shit jealous and controlling, abusing their men verbally (and physically – both Korean men and women are quite violent, as a rule, relatively speaking), …

    So while the woman may be crying and might need help, she might also be a bitch and might have just driven the guy completely insane, pushing him waaaay over the edge.

    Also, she might be regularly smacking him and beating him down in private – or public.

    I know Western women who were afraid of this aspect of Korean culture – scary men – and said how evil Korean patriarchy was.

    They didn’t date Korean women. I’ve had women pound my chest relentlessly, until they bruised me, over tiny issues; I’ve had one throw a sharp object at me (and forget apologies); screaming matches between couples are par for the course there; and the women regularly see fit to smack, hit, and wail on their husbands with fists or objects.

    I know, in a feminist universe, only the men would be punished, but one of the reasons cops hate to intervene in these cases is this: while 5-10% of the cases may be a woman in need of rescue from a very dangerous man,

    1) She usually stays with him voluntarily, because she both enables the behavior and, on some level, is attracted to it, and feminists can bitch all they want but this is often true;

    2) Almost all the time, the woman is just as violent and abusive as the man – in fact, often far more often. The difference is that he’s 4x stronger than she is; she can literally beat him all day and he just has to stand there and take the beating, but if he hits her in the same state, then she could need hospitalization.

    There were a tiny minority of cases where a terrified woman was literally under the thumb of a man, financially or psychologically. This was not typical, maybe only 1-3 % of all very serious cases, and these were always criminally prosecuted because the guy was obviously a psychopath.

    But for the vast majority of the cases, because the man is so much stronger, I remember feminists there arguing that only the men should be punished. Same for stalkers.

    If you’ve had Crazy Batshit woman coming after you or you’ve seen some jealous woman literally pound you with her fists, actually trying to damage you as best she can, and you’ve even had to restrain her from smashing objects or hurting you – then you know that the whole bullshit about DV being a male problem is just bullshit.

    At least in Korea, DV is as much caused by women as men.

    In fact, when it comes to DV directed at *CHILDREN*, almost *all* of it is female-originated in Korea. The men have little time to beat or injure their kids.

    So the cops in Korea always stand back and wait for full explanations. Assuming the man is the bad guy, I thought was reasonable (see a domestic dispute, get worried, … watch other Koreans not intervening). Then I got to know the women.

    From what I hear, domestic violence in the States is largely cross-sexual, too. Gay man do it all the time to their partners; it’s tragically common among lesbian couples; and women dish it out to men as much as men dish it out to women.

    Of course, only men are punished, because women are *always* victims. Never perpetrators.

    Sometimes the bullshit just gets to you. No wonder so many men think feminism is nothing but a bunch of lies and power-mongering.

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  122. on March 21, 2011 at 2:22 pm driveallnight

    @Tunacrab:

    If you want another laugh, check her rant about texting and how much she hates guys’ poor spelling because she’s an English major….then click her rant about “who pays the check?” wherein she repeatedly writes “payed” rather then “paid.”

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  123. on March 21, 2011 at 2:26 pm Anton

    @driveallnight

    “Perhaps female stalkers/obsessives are more common in Asia than in the West? I’ve had Filipinas/Thais/Cambos camp out in my hotel lobby, threaten other female friends of mine on tagged.com, swear to ice themselves if a guy won’t see them, etc.”

    Might want to dial down the game a bit…

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  124. on March 21, 2011 at 2:33 pm chi-town

    “I am beginning to think that pre-selection is gina-tingler numero uno. ”

    When considering how contextual the success of the male of the species is, I would reckon this to be very powerful among humans. Since we are in every climate, there is no set formula for male success except what the other local women already know.

    Notice that women really do not care so much for musicians as we are led to believe. The midnight serenada is clearly an act of self humiliation that is only effective with lots of status in the vault. Serenada is great for women who do not feel worthy of the marinada de hombre.

    Now when it gathers a crowd she is hooked.

    The bachelor is such a good example of this. The attraction is instantaneous and universal for all the women. One reason it does not work well is how precipitously the attraction must drop as he eliminates women, especially months or weeks after when down to the last one. He is not the artificer of his own manhood and its the biggest reason why they will fail unless this environment is maintained.

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  125. on March 21, 2011 at 2:45 pm Anonymous

    Article: Domestic Violence, is it just as bad when a woman hits a man?

    Note that the author has no moral compass on this:

    http://www.yourtango.com/201173449/domestic-violence-it-just-bad-when-woman-hits-man

    Feminist Jessica Wakeman laughs at the incident of an old granny threatening to castrate a Republican politician for trying to defund Planned Parenthood:

    http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-fbi-investigated-elderly-woman-who-threatened-to-castrate-politician-ov/

    However, an old grampa threatening to do something similar to a female politician would have gone to jail.

    The comments try to set her straight.

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  126. on March 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm DJ

    hmm. What about my ex, who has a new boyfriend, that I dumped for a much younger woman, in early 2008……

    She got drunk and screamed obscenities about what an asshole I am outside the corner shop almost a full three years after the fact, and who then showed up and blitzed my friend’s pub that I hang out at, which she never goes to, also wasted out of her minge?

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  127. on March 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm driveallnight

    @Anton:

    Don’t know that it’s excessive gaming that brings on this behavior, as SE Asian women – especially Filipinas – are notoriously jealous. That said, however….I’m certain any hypothesis wherein a woman’s dysfunctional behavior (such as standing in the street piss-drunk and screaming up at my hotel room window about unrequited texts) is not *her* fault, but rather the man’s would be well received by feminists and betas. 😉

    Maybe Gorbachev’s comments above are on the mark (re: love vs. survival + stalking in the Third World), as I’ve been subjected to similarly hair-raising obsessive behavior by women in Colombia.

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  128. on March 21, 2011 at 9:16 pm Stick

    It’s true. I remember saying to a bitch ‘So, are you my new stalker?’ and I saw an immediate change in her stance and the look in her eyes. Long story short, I fucked her.

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  129. on March 22, 2011 at 9:07 am walawala

    Question: Is it DHV to tell chicks you had an affair with a married woman?

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  130. on March 22, 2011 at 10:12 am xsplat

    “Is it DHV to tell chicks you had an affair with a married woman?”

    No.

    Surprisingly, it’s also fine to admit to ANY woman that you’ve had MLTRs. Even conservative marriage minded girls.

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  131. on March 22, 2011 at 1:50 pm xsplat

    Woops – I mean yes. It’s a display of higher value.

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  132. on March 22, 2011 at 6:18 pm Rachel

    I would have to disagree with stalkers raising value. Stalker = potential crazy bitch who might come after me. I judge a guy by the quality of his ex, so a stalker would put me off.

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  133. on March 22, 2011 at 9:09 pm Young Dude

    Can I nominate Casey Heynes to be official alpha-in-the-making? Also, I read a great blog post about how America wants to further make it illegal to be an alpha http://bit.ly/hBO7HU It appears that the Obama administration only protects those who are bullied on the basis of gender or race. No luck if you are a white male. Oh, and you go to juvey (and prison if over 15) if you dare be a man and fight back in self-defense.

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