This comment from Quant reminded me of a girl I used to date:
And it doesn’t matter how bad she wants to save the planet, it would better for my image of her if she flushes after doing number 1 instead of “letting it mellow.”
Too funny. The girl I dated would say the same exact thing to me.
Me: [getting up in the morning to pee and seeing yellow water in the bowl] Gross. Yo, babe, you forgot to flush.
Her: I didn’t forget. If it’s yellow let it mellow.
Me: Why?
Her: It’s good for the environment.
Me: I didn’t know we were in a prolonged drought. Is toilet water in short supply?
Her: You shouldn’t waste water.
Me: My god the urine smells so bad it’s singeing my nose hairs.
Her: All right, give it a rest.
Me: What if I have to take a dump? Your urine water is gonna splash back up on my baby smooth ass cheeks. Is that supposed to turn me on?
Although the above conversation sounded fun and teasing, I never could see my ex the same way again after that traumatic morning I first saw her yellow pee water. Something triggered in the primitive sex part of my brain and she instantly lost 0.5 sexual market value points. The end was sealed by an unflushed toilet.
YelloMello Girl was also a 5-year vegetarian (shocker!). No meat or fish whatsoever. Her diet consisted of pasta, bread, beans, sprouts, quinoa, cereal, carrots and trail mix. For a vegetarian, I rarely saw her eat truly outstanding (and paleo-approved) vegetables like broccoli and kale. Although she had a nice figure from running and biking all the goddamned time, her un-made-up skin was sometimes blotchy. When the sun glinted off her cheeks, I could tell that her diet was going to result in premature wrinkling for her.
Dating a vegetarian girl is no fun. (This is primarily a female phenomenon. Heterosexual vegetarian men are so rare in the state of nature that few women have experience dealing with one.) A simple formula for those who need a demographic breakdown of vegetarians: Vegetarianism = single female SWPL.
One of the sublime pleasures in life is a medium rare filet mignon with a glass of pinot noir. Grazer girls rob you of enjoying this pleasure to the fullest. Sure, vegetarians will insist that they don’t judge you for your carnivorous barbarity, but you can easily observe her judging you in all the little mannerisms and passive-aggressive quirks she throws your way.
For some reason, grazers are highly offended by the smell of bacon. If you happen to cook bacon for yourself when she’s staying over, grazer girl will snark at you for “stinking up the place”. She will scrunch her face up with exaggerated disgust, and ask you to “please hurry up and eat that, it’s turning my stomach.” So much for nonjudgmentalism.
I have a theory that the reason grazers react so violently to bacon aroma is because it smells SO GOOD it might tempt them to betray the Gaianist religion for which they have sacrificed so many years in penitential devotion. Bacon is the gateway meat to apostasy.
Now that Western Christianity is a dead letter religion among the suckup SWPL set, something needs to replace the evolution-sized hole left in their heads from the excision of the traditional organized religions. That worshipful, in-group yearning is replaced by a new religion: the religion of “sustainable living.” Gaia is their God. Lettuce their Eucharist. Global warming their Nicene Creed. Canvas tote bags their cross. Marathons their forty days and forty nights in the desert. Recycling their tithe. Pet adoption agencies their soup kitchens and charity organizations. It’s a fucking joke, and it’s on them. They think they are above the religious impulse, when in fact they are as much a base animal as those plebes who earn their sneers; they’ve simply substituted a different flavor of the religious crack that gets them high.
Most vegetarian chicks aren’t going to blatantly try to convert you. They know better. And they also know, on a subconscious level, that you as a man would be less attractive if you joined her in pasture grazing. So they smirk and sneer and judge but they won’t ever really push their insipid lifestyle on you. Nevertheless, their lifestyle is an imposition on yours. Want to cook at home? If she’s cooking, you’re going to be crabby eating her twigs and leaves. If you’re cooking, prepare to brush up on vegetarian recipes. Home cooking is always a one-way street with grazers. Even the simple act of sharing platters at a restaurant becomes fraught with romance-killing difficulty. And don’t forget the hidden seething envy and affront that grazers feel as they have to watch you eat succulent meats in front of them.
And however tolerant of meat-eaters that grazers claim to be, their sanctimony can’t help but assert itself. After all, what’s the point of being a dedicated vegetarian if you can’t lord your moral rectitude over the unenlightened? It’s a human compulsion to grasp for status points by assuming a higher plane of moral reasoning. YelloMello girl, like most veggie chicks, would act unduly offended if I mistakenly ordered take-out stir fry that included chicken.
“You KNOW I don’t eat meat!”
“Just pick it out.”
“Why don’t you respect my wishes?”
The phony indignation is especially grating. It’s as if they want you to notice their hallowed commitment to their bean sprouts religion. Why suffer for an arbitrary religion if others can’t see and appreciate your suffering? After a point, it became something of a running gag to me. When she asked for a snack, I would hand her beef jerky, and say “Oops, thought it was a celery stalk.” Or I’d buy pigs’ feet and leave them in her fridge, telling her I ran out of room in my own fridge.
Ever watch the chicks at Trader Hoe’s browsing the veggie section with a basket full of plant foods? Look closely, and you can practically see the righteous self-satisfaction smeared like spackle across their faces. Behold her proudly line up her beans and hummus containers on the check-out stand, carefully arranging each product so that the entire line can bear witness to her revelation.
I despise her. Then I proudly line up my salmon, whole milk, broccoli, red peppers and almond butter and feel a glow of superiority as I watch the ghetto black mom behind me with her crate of juice boxes, chips and candy.
The id monster doesn’t play favorites.
First!
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Don’t even waste my time with them.
When I find out some chick is a veg, I pull a “Church Lady” on them, “Isn’t that special”, & move on.
They aren’t worth the headache and hassle.
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just tell her that she’s destroying the environment by not recycling her pee (since urine is like 95% water).
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“I have a theory that the reason grazers react so violently to bacon aroma is because it smells SO GOOD it might tempt them to betray the Gaianist religion for which they have sacrificed so many years in penitential devotion. Bacon is the gateway meat to apostasy.”
great line
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Like Sheryl Crow’s suggestion to use a single square of toilet paper per visit.
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Ugh at WordPress’s unpredictable logging in and out.
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My girlfriend’s a veg and she doesn’t sneer. Why would she want to? Me Tarzan, her Jane. Of course I eat meat. My testicles demand it. She’s even learned to cook meat.
She does complain a bit about the smell when I slow-cook a nice fatty pork butt in the Crock Pot for ten hours, but I don’t do it that often, and she’s not delusional enough to think I care. When she opened a jar of kimchee that made the whole house stink like a week-old corpse in August, I banned the filthy stuff, and she complied.
Vegetarians just don’t like food, that’s their problem. Nobody who genuinely appreciates food will ever give up meat.
That may just apply to voluntary vegetarians: Indian folks who were raised without meat never had a choice in the matter, and they may well have a genuine appreciation of the stuff they do eat. Notice that Indian vegetarian food isn’t disgusting, gravelly, anti-aesthetic garbage like Western grazers eat. It’s clearly intended to be tasty and tempting, just like real food.
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A vegetarian girl is a couple clicks away from a lesbian.
Any woman who denies the pleasure of meat is seriously repressing the attraction to maleness that is rooted deep in the female brain since pre-historic days:
Male focus, work & brute physicality is what brought meat to the tribe.
Everything about human evolution (from walking upright, large, calculating brain, forward eyes, thumbs, and throwing ability) was geared towards bringing down a god damn mastodon & throwing meat on the fire.
Any woman who denies meat is basically repressing her primal attraction to maleness.
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It’s been hypothesized that compulsive vegetarians are afflicted with the purity gene. The gene that the virginity lovers here are afflicted with.
[Editor: Big difference: Vegetarianism is anti-pleasure. Deflowering a virgin is exquisite pleasure.]
There is a gene that leads one to the moral value of purity. Roughly 40% of white folks have it. Must suck.
So vegetarians are indeed being religious. They conceptualize meat as impure. Just like so many
poseursposters here think about pussy.[Sluts are a worse bet for marriage, if you’re into that. This has been shown in studies. The more partners a woman has had, the likelier it is she will be an infidelity risk in any relationship.]
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It’s my understanding that vegetarians have worse flatulence in general.
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Roissy is really Regan from the Matrix, giving it all up for a tasty virtual steak and red wine!
As far as not flushing, what do these hippie chicks think happens to the water once it’s flushed? Is it shipped to Mars? Circle of life, baby. It also helps keep the sewers clean by flushing.
http://www.crankyprofessor.com/archives/000382.html
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Doppelganger: good observation about Indians and Indian food.
The upside of vegetarian girls?
They are rarely FFFAAAAATTTTT.
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Out of subject, but relevant:
After first sex, boys’ self image improves, girls’ self image goes down. (study)
http://is.gd/ffCvVm
It is obviously a question of power. Girls use sexual attraction as a way to influence and manipulate the reactions of boys, they are still the gatekeepers. Once they give in, much of this power is lost. She realizes she’s got the best guy her sexual power could attract, and he is always less than what she is made to expect by the media.
Comments, Roissy?
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There was an article on NPR awhile back talking about bacon as the gateway meat for vegetarians:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/02/02/133304206/why-bacon-is-a-gateway-to-meat-for-vegetarians?ft=1&f=100
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[Editor: Big difference: Vegetarianism is anti-pleasure. Deflowering a virgin is exquisite pleasure.]
[Sluts are a worse bet for marriage, if you’re into that. This has been shown in studies. The more partners a woman has had, the likelier it is she will be an infidelity risk in any relationship.]
None of that addresses the EMOTIONAL reaction that SOME men have to pussy that is not virgin. The words people use all relate to impurity.
Statistics is not about impurity – it’s about statistics. Marriage is not about impurity. It’s about marriage.
There is a genetic reason that SOME men think in terms of purity.
And it’s been hypothesized that the same genetic basis is being hijacked by vegetarians in their relationship to food.
[Editor: The emotional, and likely genetically-influenced, reaction that men have to sluts makes evolutionary sense when considering them for LTRs or marriage. Women with many exes make poor prospects for investment, and the statistics you denigrate prove the wisdom of the hindbrain.
The emotional reaction that grazers have to meat-eaters makes no evolutionary sense. Few human groups evolved to eat only beans and sprouts. It’s totally a cultural fad resting on a genetic impulse toward religious conversion.]
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Eww.
Black people.
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Salmon and almond butter? Are you kidding me?
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I dated one vegatarian thus far. She told me when we were about to order dinner. I made sure to order a nice rare peice of meat.
As someone else said, she was also a supposedly reformed VAGatarian. I was trying to game her into proving BOTH it to me.
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Salmon and almond butter
white people
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[Editor: The emotional, and likely genetically-influenced, reaction that men have to sluts makes evolutionary sense when considering them for LTRs or marriage. Women with many exes make poor prospects for investment, and the statistics you denigrate prove the wisdom of the hindbrain.
The emotional reaction that grazers have to meat-eaters makes no evolutionary sense. Few human groups evolved to eat only beans and sprouts. It’s totally a cultural fad resting on a genetic impulse toward religious conversion.]
Of course there should be a benefit to such a purity gene. And as roughly only 40% of people have it, there must also be a benefit to NOT having it.
And you are mistaken if you think that a gene can not have multiple purposes, one or more of which can be to the detriment of the individual.
It should be obvious to you that mental traits can be re-purposed in neurotic ways.
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Could someone explain to me the sentence “The id monster doesn’t play favorites.”?
thank you,
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Vegetarianism is just the stupidest most retarded bullshit ever conceived. It defies all animalistic logic. You can’t replace the protein that’s found in meat. (no you can’t, the strain of protein in meat is unique only to meat.) It causes you to lack many of the needed nutrients to keep the body running properly – it’s totally idiotic.
There is a reason that veges look pale and fragile for the most part, their body is lacking protein and for the most part iron and zinc. Protein keeps you from getting fat, prevents diabetes, keeps our muscles strong and your blood pumping. Too much meat is not good for the arteries, but that was only discovered after life expectancy pushed past the age of 60.
The commercial: “Beef, It’s What’s For Dinner.”
Not a better tag line in PR history.
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Q: How do you know if there is a vegetarian at your dinner party?
A: Don’t worry, they’ll let you know.
Anyone tried those bacon wrapped filets from Aldi’s? $1.79 and good as hell.
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ideally, pee should come out clear, indicating proper hydration.
also, while it’s true that you never see a fat female grazer, many of the ones i’ve seen are just a little too skinny for my taste.
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@itsme
there are plenty of fat veggies and fat vegans.
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Now that Western Christianity is a dead letter religion among the suckup SWPL set, something needs to replace the evolution-sized hole left in their heads from the excision of the traditional organized religions. That worshipful, in-group yearning is replaced by a new religion: the religion of “sustainable living.” Gaia is their God. Lettuce their Eucharist. Global warming their Nicene Creed. Canvas tote bags their cross. Marathons their forty days and forty nights in the desert. Recycling their tithe. Pet adoption agencies their soup kitchens and charity organizations. It’s a fucking joke, and it’s on them. They think they are above the religious impulse, when in fact they are as much a base animal as those plebes who earn their sneers; they’ve simply substituted a different flavor of the religious crack that gets them high.
Brilliant!
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I’m glad to see your religion is sucking all the right wing cock you find.
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In my experience, veg chicks smell better south of the border.
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It seems funny to me that the mecca supply house for vegitarians, whole foods, sells some of the best meat and cheese outside of going to a butcher shop.
Falling off the wagon there will be better than a cube steak at stop and shop.
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Not eating [enough] animal fats is a serious cause of depression and other mental problems. That is why veggie girls are totally easy to fuck.
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The funny here is that paleo diet is as much a religion. Everyone on a paleo diet won’t shut up about it.
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Dude, chill out.
You feel really threatened by perceived slight.
Hindus are vegetarian. I guess those who gave us the Kama Sutra/Tantric sex are anti-pleasure.
[editor: The emotional reaction that grazers have to meat-eaters makes no evolutionary sense. Few human groups evolved to eat only beans and sprouts. It’s totally a cultural fad resting on a genetic impulse toward religious conversion.]
LOL. I guess this must apply to all those INDIANS.
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Everyone that hasn’t seen “Fathead” should watch it for free on Hulu. Not a great production value but totally shreds the preatty lies about saturated fats and veganism.
The guy eats mcdonalds for 28 days, loses weight and cleans up his blood test. Of course he didn’t eat 5k of mostly carbs a day like that phoney Spurlock in “Supersize Me”.
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Paleo diet is the only correct way to eat. Otherwise we’d still be eating bamboo with the other primates.
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It’s more than just Gaianism – it’s Universalism, the spin-off god-free sect of Christianity which has taken over as the dominant religion of our society. Instead of “Hope, Faith, Charity, and Love” it believes in “Hope, Equality, Justice, and Community”. As with all religious thinking, these principles are essentially meaningless; Justice doesn’t mean fair execution of the law, it refers to some abstract *feeling* of right or wrong. And the Cons are just as much in this religion’s sway as the Dems.
Gaianism is a subset of this group, who extend ‘Equality’ to our delicious animal brethren.
That said, remember that November 1st is Harass a Vegetarian Day, in recognition of the date the first Vegan society was formed. Facebook all your friends!
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Toilet paper? Eat with the right, wipe with theleft.
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A nice cock-meat sandwich should satisfy the physical and mental emptiness, along with a shot of manly common sense should all fall in nicely.
Isn’t swallowing cheating for vegetarians?
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They don’t like meat, but they sure like the bone!
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I make no allowances for picky eaters. It’s pork chops or nothing!
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“I have a theory that the reason grazers react so violently to bacon aroma is because it smells SO GOOD it might tempt them to betray the Gaianist religion for which they have sacrificed so many years in penitential devotion. Bacon is the gateway meat to apostasy.”
Yep, bacon is often what tempts veggies back to the omnivore fold.
Some vegetarians permit themselves “accidental bacon“, or sneak it when no-one’s looking…
“Bacon is the ultimate contradiction. As good as it tastes, given its unfortunate effect on an average person’s blood pressure, cholesterol level and body mass index, it’s equally as bad for your health. When you eat bacon, you’re forced into a dilemma, whether you realize it or not: Flavor or Health? And in some cases, you can add blasphemy to the mix, too, if you happen to be Jewish or Muslim, religions which famously (and, for me, cruelly) proscribe pork, and also if you’re a Hindu or Buddhist, in which case eating any animal is seen as a big karmic no-no. That, and bacon, as is evidenced by the Bacon vs. Tofu action figure set, seems to be the ultimate hot crispy delicious baconanti-vegetarian food, a big thumb-in-your-eye at self-righteous, proselytizing vegans and vegetarians who get their personal validation by railing against the carnivore set. Aside from it’s magical flavor properties, bacon seems to be the most commonly indulgent of all meats, and potentially the most rebellious one, as well. It all but begs people to declare: To hell with my diet and my health and my religion, and my animal-rights-activist friends. Viva bacon! All of this combines, like nitroglycerin and sawdust and soda ash, into something explosively compelling. It’s the bad boy of meats, and who can resist the bad boy? Whether that fact is conscious or subconscious, people are picking up on it, and having fun with it. Which is why, I’m guessing, we’re now in the throes of our glorious, if strange, Bacon Renaissance.”
– Scott Gold
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9 out of 10 vegetarians are vegetarians so they can remind you that they are vegetarians.
The 10th? I knew a chick for 7 years before I found out she was a vegetarian.
If you’re doing it for some grand, moral purpose, you’re in the minority. The rest of you are posers.
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Beware any woman who claims to be “spiritual, but not religious”… And prepare for cesspools of NewAge clap-trap.
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Ha, look at these idiots trying not to live at the expense of others. Mother Nature is a hardy bitch — let’s rape her (you know she secretly wants it). Screw animals and future generations — cruelty tastes delicious and environmental child abuse is fun. Besides, tyranny’s encoded in our genes, and since an “ought” directly follows from an “is,” naturalistic fallacy be damned, it’s time to unleash the beast.
It’s like that gay movie INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE. Lestat enjoys dining on the blood of aristocrats whereas Louis just mopes and complains. BOR-ING.
Louis: “We can live off the blood of animals?”
Lestat: “I wouldn’t call it living.”
Embrace your nature, don’t deny it.
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Have you ever heard of the Wai diet? Basically, it is a raw diet where you eat mostly fruit, but where you get your fat from cold-pressed olive oil and nuts (Brazil nuts) and you get your “meat” by eating raw egg yolks and raw fish.
http://www.freeacnebook.com/
I would have to argue that it is a better way to eat than the paleo diet (note that anyway it is a sort of paleo diet, but more restrictive).
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Now that Western Christianity is a dead letter religion among the suckup SWPL set, something needs to replace the evolution-sized hole left in their heads from the excision of the traditional organized religions. That worshipful, in-group yearning is replaced by a new religion: the religion of “sustainable living.”
That, along with this:
[Editor: Big difference: Vegetarianism is anti-pleasure. Deflowering a virgin is exquisite pleasure.]
…compounds Nietzsche’s thoughts on the ascetic ideal in On The Genealogy of Morals, including what he thought about vegetarianism. It is a result of (what he claims) is the basic condition of needing a goal: one would rather will nothingness than not will at all. Willing ‘nothingness’ is a self-inflicted directive to suffer, like going to the gym obsessively, being a stringent vegetarian or being religious.
Basically, being involved with anyone who fervently supports a religious-like cause is being with someone who has a neurotic, unhealthy psyche. Anyone who reads Roissy from a philosophical perspective really should (or probably has already read) Nietzsche.
I think the book aspires toward a genius claim:
“The will to truth that is bred by the ascetic ideal has in its turn led to the spread of a truthfulness the pursuit of which has brought the will to truth itself in peril. What is thus now required, Nietzsche concludes, is a critique of the value of truth itself (§24).”
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And another thing… /soapbox
People who are fastidious over their food are just another type of glutton.
C.S. Lewis:
“C.S. Lewis describes delicacy as a desire to have things exactly our way. He gives the example of food having to be prepared just right, or in just the right amount, but it isn’t limited to food. We might complain about unimportant defects in a product, the temperature in the room, or the color of a laundry basket. There is a certain amount of discomfort to be expected in life, but the Glutton will have none of it. Instead of becoming strong by suffering the minor inconveniences of life, the Glutton insists on being pampered. No one dares to point out how petty or foolish they are. In fact, some celebrities are praised for their excessive perfectionism, as though it were a virtue.
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I’d like to see more articles about game and less ones about complaining.
[Editor: You’re standing in line at the movie theater waiting to buy tickets. The girl standing in front of you is cute. You say “You look like the type who’s going to see the new Justin Bieber movie.” And you’re off to the races…]
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Being a vegetarian is a red flag. Along with it usually comes all kinds of other emotional and historical baggage. Waste of time.
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FM 21-76 says that by weight, meat provides the most nourishment of any food source. I was watching the German version of Survivor on TV a couple of years back and had to laugh at this guy who tried to be a vegan. He was forced to admit that he had to eat meat because otherwise, he never got enough to eat. Veganism is a religion indeed and a smug one at that.
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The worlds most infamous vegetarian was Adolf Hitler.
With that in mind — run, don’t walk, if you discover a male vegetarian.
His food-religion was intimately tied into his whole bent world view. As a living self-made god he didn’t want to be made impure by meats from beasts. Sorta Hindu — doncha think?
As for farts — Hitler was an unending gas bag of stink. And he had such gastro-intestinal troubles as to cause him chronic agony.
That’s how he came to be addicted to Dr. Morel. He hooked Hitler on every manner of new-age SWPL holistic medicines — and speed!
Which is why those conferences went to 4AM! Morel had to use Dictator Downers to get the tyrant into bed.
Which is why no one could rouse him for D-Day: the attempt would kill him. ( IV speedballing )
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It’s the zealotry that would put me off.
Who could want a cafeteria-Catholic who morphed into a cafeteria-vegetarian?
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Absolutely true insight that ideologues like vegetarians are fulfilling a religious impulse. Also true of evo psych purists, anti-immigrant ideologues, and any with “passionate” convictions. All come from the same banal, human place. The narcissism of small differences is the most amusing one (as the last sentences hint with wry self-awareness).
[Editor: Your snarkiness to the contrary notwithstanding, you do not live in a world where truth and facts don’t exist.]
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I once dated a vegan. She cried when I ordered a Vietnamese dish with chicken and claimed “I can smell death.”
Situations like this came more and more-i kept eating meat she left me for another vegan who gave her HPV!
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I want to crush every single damn pretentious asshole vegetarian.
I am going to eat a 20 oz steak tonight in their honor.
And then hatefuck the first vegetarian I meet.
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“anti-immigrant ideologues”
you mean people in a democracy that object to population replacement initiatives by nefarious leftists?
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/87407/
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Flashman,
I would argue that if you were extract a philosophy from Roissy, it would be nihilism. That eliminates the self-destructive impulse of most people who engage in religious -isms. He’s not an ideologue, just a person who opines on ideologues.
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There are some vegetarian girls who don’t make a big stink about it, but it is still a flag as they will turn out to be major freaks in other ways. One symptom of neuroticism isn’t likely to travel alone.
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@LS Here’s the text that quote is referring to. The Screwtape Letters is a very interesting read.
MY DEAR WORMWOOD,
The contemptuous way in which you spoke of gluttony as a means of catching souls, in your last letter, only shows your ignorance. One of the great, achievements of the last hundred years has been to deaden the human conscience on that subject, so that by now you will hardly find a sermon preached or a conscience troubled about it in the whole length and breadth of Europe. This has largely been effected by concentrating all our efforts on gluttony of Delicacy, not gluttony of Excess. Your patient’s mother, as I learn from the dossier and you might have learned from Glubose, is a good example. She would be astonished—one day, I hope, will be—to learn that her whole life is enslaved to this kind of sensuality, which is quite concealed from her by the fact that the quantities involved are small. But what do quantities matter, provided we can use a human belly and palate to produce querulousness, impatience, uncharitableness, and self-concern? Glubose has this old woman well in hand. She is a positive terror to hostesses and servants. She is always turning from what has been offered her to say with a demure little sign and a smile “Oh please, please…all I want is a cup of tea, weak but not too weak, and the teeniest weeniest bit of really crisp toast”. You see? Because what she wants is smaller and less costly than what has been set before her, she never recognises as gluttony her determination to get what she wants, however troublesome it may be to others. At the very moment of indulging her appetite she believes that she is practising temperance. In a crowded restaurant she gives a little scream at the plate which some overworked waitress has set before her and says, “Oh, that’s far, far too much! Take it away and bring me about a quarter of it”. If challenged, she would say she was doing this to avoid waste; in reality she does it because the particular shade of delicacy to which we have enslaved her is offended by the sight of more food than she happens to want.
The real value of the quiet, unobtrusive work which Glubose has been doing for years on this old woman can be gauged by the way in which her belly now dominates her whole life. The woman is in what may be called the “All-I-want” state of mind. All she wants is a cup of tea properly made, or an egg properly boiled, or a slice of bread properly toasted. But she never finds any servant or any friend who can do these simple things “properly”—because her “properly” conceals an insatiable demand for the exact, and almost impossible, palatal pleasures which she imagines she remembers from the past; a past described by her as “the days when you could get good servants” but known to us as the days when her senses were more easily pleased and she had pleasures of other kinds which made her less dependent on those of the table. Meanwhile, the daily disappointment produces daily ill temper: cooks give notice and friendships are cooled. If ever the Enemy introduces into her mind a faint suspicion that she is too interested in food, Glubose counters it by suggesting to her that she doesn’t mind what she eats herself but “does like to have things nice for her boy”. In fact, of course, her greed has been one of the chief sources of his domestic discomfort for many years.
Now your patient is his mother’s son. While working your hardest, quite rightly, on other fronts, you must not neglect a little quiet infiltration in respect of gluttony. Being a male, he is not so likely to be caught by the “All I want” camouflage. Males are best turned into gluttons with the help of their vanity. They ought to be made to think themselves very knowing about food, to pique themselves on having found the only restaurant in the town where steaks are really “properly” cooked. What begins as vanity can then be gradually turned into habit. But, however you approach it, the great thing is to bring him into the state in which the denial of any one indulgence—it matters not which, champagne or tea, sole colbert or cigarettes—”puts him out”, for then his charity, justice, and obedience are all at your mercy.
Mere excess in food is much less valuable than delicacy. Its chief use is as a kind of artillery preparation for attacks on chastity. On that, as on every other subject, keep your man in a condition of false spirituality. Never let him notice the medical aspect. Keep him wondering what pride or lack of faith has delivered him into your hands when a simple enquiry into what he has been eating or drinking for the last twenty-four hours would show him whence your ammunition comes and thus enable him by a very little abstinence to imperil your lines of communication. If he must think of the medical side of chastity, feed him the grand lie which we have made the English humans believe, that physical exercise in excess and consequent fatigue are specially favourable to this virtue. How they can believe this, in face of the notorious lustfulness of sailors and soldiers, may well be asked. But we used the schoolmasters to put the story about—men who were really interested in chastity as an excuse for games and therefore recommended games as an aid to chastity. But this whole business is too large to deal with at the tail-end of a letter,
Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE
XVIII
Source: http://www.mylibrarybook.com/books/676/C.S-Lewis/The-Screwtape-Letters-7.html
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I dated a vegetarian girl. She ate pop tarts and drank soda pop for lunch.
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I agree with Kingbeef that veggies smell better south of the border.
But they’re a pain in the butt to date.
One of the ones I dated for a year was a nymphomanical bikini model but in the end, even that wasn’t enough.
Her doctor kept telling her that just one steak would eliminate all the trouble she had to go through to get enough of the right amino acids, proteins.
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A friend of mine died a couple of years back just shy of his 95th birthday.
He was a lifelong vegetarian since around age 10. He liked animals a lot better than people. There was no health consideration. In fact I will add that he ate a diet high in salt and sweets with a moderate amount of alcohol.
No meat or dairy however. He was the first regular soy milk drinker I knew.
After he died, he donated his body to a local medical school. They kept his body for over 2 years because they had never seen internal organs in such good condition.
He roofed his house when he was in his 80s. Quite fit until around age 88. Blue collar guy.
Attributed his excellent health to 2 things: 1) Never married. 2) Being vegetarian.
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I once dated a vegetarian girl. The first time we went out together, we ate pizza.
Pizzas were individual, when my time to choose came, I told her and thye waiter: “Let me see, mine must have pieces of dead animals on it”
She loved it
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Veggie chicks are annoying because they are sanctimonious twats about everything, not just food. I’ve known several. Im talking Austin, TX for a long time. Trust me, I KNOW.
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How about shutthefuckup -isms, sesquipedalian.
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@itsme: “also, while it’s true that you never see a fat female grazer, many of the ones i’ve seen are just a little too skinny for my taste.”
Blasphemy! A woman can never be to thin (or too pale) unless she’s literally dying before your eyes.
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@Mouse
Thanks.
I was a picky eater as a kid. Roughing it after college made me appreciate a lot of things.
Here in SWPL Town there are so many sanctimonious vegetarians I want to slap them.
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So vegetarians are indeed being religious. They conceptualize meat as impure. Just like so many poseurs posters here think about pussy.
Xsplat calling people “poseurs” is somethting you don´t see everyday!!!
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By the way, Xsplat. Is wanting to initiate a young virgin more beta than grimly pounding into the sagging lips of a jaded party girl?
Xsplat, you’re an idiot. If you have a taste for sluts, then do your thing. But don’t try to persuade yourself that you’re somehow more alpha than the rest of us.
By the way : ” Gaia is their God. Lettuce their Eucharist. Global warming their Nicene Creed.”
Is gold –
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Red, my theory is that many Alpha traits are in fact rogue traits, which include not only thrill seeking and risk taking and novelty seeking, but also exclude the coupled biologically based moral traits that conservatives usually have – a respect for purity and for authority.
I’m arguing that a lot of game is merely behaving bohemian.
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Most vegetarians are skinny because it is a self-selected group – just like anyone that is really hardcore into fitness. I doubt you’ll see many obese vegans because its a shitty diet that takes lots of self control to stay on. The kind of self control that allows one not to over eat, and to go do lots of running and biking.
Its the same as the idea that marriage makes men healthier; it does not – men who are healthy tend to marry in larger amounts than say the unhealthy, criminals, insane, unemployed, suicide victims, victims workplace deaths, etc. Stats are so misleading if you don’t dig in and poke around.
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There’s never been a single study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease.
As heart-disease rates were skyrocketing in the mid-1900s, consumption of animal fat was going down, not up. Consumption of vegetable oils, however, was going up dramatically.
Half of all heart-attack victims have normal or low cholesterol. Autopsies performed on heart-attack victims routinely reveal plaque-filled arteries in people whose cholesterol was low (as low as 115 in one case).
Asian Indians – half of whom are vegetarians – have one of the highest rates of heart disease in the entire world. Yup, that fatty meat will kill you, all right.
When Morgan Spurlock tells you that a McDonald’s salad supplies almost a day’s allowance of fat, he’s basing that statement on the FDA’s low-fat/high-carbohydrate dietary guidelines, which in turn are based on … absolutely nothing. There’s no science behind those guidelines; they were simply made up by a congressional committee.
Kids who were diagnosed as suffering from ADD have been successfully treated by re-introducing natural saturated fats into their diets. Your brain is made largely of fat.
Many epileptics have reduced or eliminated seizures by adopting a diet low in sugar and starch and high in saturated animal fats.
Despite everything you’ve heard about saturated fat being linked to cancer, that link is statistically weak. However, there is a strong link between sugar and cancer. In Europe, doctors tell patients, “Sugar feeds cancer.”
Being fat is not, in and of itself, bad for your health. The behaviors that can make you fat – eating excess sugar and starch, not getting any exercise – can also ruin your health, and that’s why being fat is associated with bad health. But it’s entirely possible to be fat and healthy. It’s also possible to be thin while developing Type II diabetes and heart disease.
Saturated fat and cholesterol help produce testosterone. When men limit their saturated fat, their testosterone level drops. So, regardless of what a famous vegan chef believes, saturated fat does not impair sexual performance.
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/no-bologna-facts/
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@ flashman
How do you jump from vegan girls to anti racist outbursts?? Haven´t you read in Steve Sailer´s blog that low IQ people are more fat?? If racists are going to eat human flesh, we´ll go for SWPL flesh, which is healthier due to less fat!
Situations like this came more and more-i kept eating meat she left me for another vegan who gave her HPV!
I know about the strong links about veganism in men and homosexuality and also the links between homosexuality in men and venereal diseases.
I just can´t connect the dots
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I’d like to hear game described in pro-purity terms.
“Hey babe – wanna go home and be virgins together? I’m all about that virginity! You’re so pure!”
[Editor: How about: “You’re a virgin? Rest easy, babe, I’ll be gentle.”]
Or game described in pro authority terms.
“I always agree with the police!”
[“Take your clothes off, you precocious little minx. Do as I say.”]
The dual moral values of purity and respect for authority are clearly and obviously anti-game.
[Life is full of sex-based double standards, but that doesn’t make them invalid.]
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@gig
Not eating saturated fats will lower testosterone.
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“A friend of mine died a couple of years back just shy of his 95th birthday.”
BFD. My maternal great grandmother kicked it at 103, grandfather at 97, grandmother at 91, paternal grandmother at 96, my paternal grandfather fought in the last days of fucking Civil War as a teenager!
They all ate like kings, including tons of cheese, lots of eggs, butter and red meat. Pork/bacon and t-bone steaks were the third and fourth sacraments at their houses.
I didn’t fight my way to the top of the food chain to limp through life on vegetabes.
BTW Salmon is absolutely the FAGGIEST fish- nasty, fishy tasting crap.
[Editor: So sue me. I like the taste of lemon zested salmon. For the record, I eat red meat too.]
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Bah I fucked up that code. I’m going to go eat an animal.
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Wait wait wait wait wait….hold the phone. Stop.
Since when does Trader Joe’s have vegetables that aren’t overpriced and wrapped in five pounds of styrofoam?
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[Editor: Your snarkiness to the contrary notwithstanding, you do not live in a world where truth and facts don’t exist.]
Yes, facts and truth exist. But they are unlikely to dwell in gospel writings. As you recognize with vegetarians, the more passionate and invested a person is in their beliefs, the more likely those beliefs serve an interest other than truth — status signaling or shoring, individuation, thrill of shocking, market-positioning (within academia, the blogosphere, or whatever), etc. Passionately-held, holistic belief systems win hearts (and vaginas and readers and acolytes (also a religious phenomenon!)) but has no relationship to truth. That said, many things expressed in the Chateau are true, but you are closer to a vegetarian than to an indifferent carnivore.
[Editor: Passion can be a useful emotion in the service of rectifying an obvious evil. Some impending disasters are worth passionate engagement. Soft genocidal population replacement by an antagonistic elite is one of them.]
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Or game described in pro authority terms.
“I always agree with the police!”
[“Take your clothes off, you precocious little minx. Do as I say.”]
You’re snark is deliberatly missing my obvious point.
[Editor: The point is that the male predilection for favoring virgins and low-partner-count women for LTRs and marriage has nothing to do with respect for authority.]
What’s the word for that? Dissimulation?
[The word is “gotcha”.]
Respect for authority, as a moral trait that is influenced by genes, obviously means respect for the autority of someone other than yourself. It doesn’t mean getting other people to respect your authority. It is an inherently beta stance.
Try again without the bullshit snark.
[Make me.]
Pro game, while showing your OWN respect for OTHER authrority.
[Editor: How about: “You’re a virgin? Rest easy, babe, I’ll be gentle.”]
What the fuck is that? That’s not showing how respect for purity is game. How about spanking and calling the girl slutty names? That’s game. Pedestalizing her purity is anti-game all day long.
[If you’re at the point where she’s on your bed and sex is imminent, you don’t have to worry about pedestalizing. Not all bedside flirting has to follow a playbook requiring spanking and slutty names. That’s kind of authoritarian thinking. Heh.]
The dual moral values of purity and respect for authority are clearly and obviously anti-game.
[Life is full of sex-based double standards, but that doesn’t make them invalid.]
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@ Dat Truth Hurts
Although less fat is bad, the lower T levels of skinny SWPLs makes their meat smoothier. Why do you think people castrate bulls?
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I see what you did there # the end. The one benefit of vegitarian chicks, is that staying away from twinkies and little debbies keeps them relatively thin. The drawbacks are exactly what you describe, the whole sanctimonious crunchy chick syndrome. Every time I hear a chick say she’s a vegan I want to yell at her to go shave her armpits.
I know some non gay brahmin cats who are veg because their religion, but other than that there’s no excuse if you’re a man. Also, if a pride of lions caught you alone out on the savannah, they wouldn’t think twice about eating you.
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Dude, don’t buy stuff at Traitor Joe’s, with few exceptions most of their private brand stuff is third rate. Buy you stuff at ‘Ho’ Foods, ya, ’tis ‘spensive, but their meat is divine. Get your regular crap at Slaveway.
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Many times on this blog I’ve mentioned that there are 5 basic moral traits. Two of these are not universal. They are 1)respect for purity, and 2) respect for authority. It has been shown that these latter two are genetically based, and are held (as a coupled pair together as I remember) by roughly 40% of the population. So yes, thesee are two distinct moral traits. I’m not saying they are the same. I’m saying BOTH traits are anti-game.
So your point is that it’s possible to flirt with virgins. My point is that the basic respect for purity and disgust with anti-purity gets in the way of game, and it is difficult if not impossible to use that disgust to advantage in seduction.
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That’s funny, the people in Oregon that I’m staying with let the yellow mellow
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I read this site for fun and never comment but this post really touched a nerve. I am married to a sanctimonious vegetarian. I don’t know about “Sustainable Living,” but living with a vegetarian is definitely not sustainable. My marriage is on the verge of falling apart primarily due to this. I must have been stupid because all the warnings were there: she was “not religious but spiritual”; commenting about the dead animal while you enjoy a meal; forcing you to cook in different pans — because, don’tcha know that meat is dirty and the meat bacteria will stay in the pan even when you throw the pan in dishwasher with high heat and moderate abrasives? .
There’s truth to Roissy’s point that Vegetarianism IS a religion. To address some commenter who thinks one redeeming thing about vegetarians is they are not fat, you should really go to India. You will see a population –especially the female population– that’s bloated with all the wheat, rice and various lentils. 95% of the women have hideous body compositions. They are fine when they are young but once they hit their twenties everything falls apart. And very few Indian women come out of pregnancies without getting way fatter than normal and they never return to normalcy.
My advice to all the younger guys here: when you see a vegetarian, RUN!
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When you say we are smug with our shopping baskets… Lol as if every time I go food shopping I’m like “look at those stupid, primitive carnivores with their smelly breath and constipated bowels”, I don’t even think about it,
[Editor: Spot the irony.]
it’s normal to me like shopping for meat is normal to you…
“Just pick it out.”
I hate when people say that to me, the food still tastes of the meat and it’s got all the meat juice on it still.
[Your whole body is meat juice. How do you live with yourself?]
“When the sun glinted off her cheeks, I could tell that her diet was going to result in premature wrinkling for her.”
It’s just genes, my mother has been vegetarian all her life and she has hardly any wrinkles, plump skin and is still slim.
[It’s probably mostly genes. But the lack of saturated fat in their diets isn’t helping.]
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@gig
Heh. Truth. Well, eating grains is how mass produced beef is fattened up – the same diet that the US Gov’t pushes to get healthy. That kind of meat is much too high in Omega-6. Have to take lots of fish-oil to get the right amounts of Omega-3’s.
Grass finished beef ftw. I actually like hunting and eating deer meat, can’t get any more free range than that. I’m no granola eating peta-tard, but it is generally a good idea to avoid eating the products of animals loaded up with antibiotics and hormones and corn.
And any vegan fucks that talk about saving animals are full of shit too. Farming equipment kills millions of animals a year.
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I know a male vegan, I believe he’s done it to be ultra-straight edge but you can’t take a man that doesn’t eat anything from an animal seriously.
I agree with the mistreatment of animals but theres a solution to that, ethically grow your own.
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Oh look… its this thread again. Suns going down.. better drink my own piss.
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Meat good! Tofu boring! [Grunt.]
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A vegan guy is shopping at Whole Foods and takes his little canvas tote bag to the checkout, where an attractive check-out girl rings up his purchases.
She notices that his shopping consists of: one apple, one orange, one cereal bar, one container of tofu, one can of V8, and a small loaf of bread.
She looks up at him and asks: “Are you by any chance single?”
Vegan guy can’t believe his luck and, thinking he’s ‘in’, smiles back and replies: “Why, yes! Actually, I am single! What makes you think that?”
She responds: “‘Cos you’re fucking ugly!”
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“Red, my theory is that many Alpha traits are in fact rogue traits, which include not only thrill seeking and risk taking and novelty seeking, but also exclude the coupled biologically based moral traits that conservatives usually have – a respect for purity and for authority.
I’m arguing that a lot of game is merely behaving bohemian.”
Xsplat,
I’ll agree with you on the importance of rogue traits, or mimicking them. 99% of game is teaching folks to mimick the dark triad. But that doesn’t preclude a respect for purity on the rare occasions that you find it.
And a respect for purity doesn’t rule out dating more “experienced” women, it just means that you don’t hold that experience in high regard. If anything, game allows you to spot such women and their sub-prime long-term prospects.
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Does being a vegetarian mean she wont swallow?
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Red, it’s been hypothesized that the origin of the purity response is disgust for foul food. The notion of disgust became elaborated and applied as a wider construct, and even became a social construct. Some people feel this sense of purity and impurity stronger than others. Those that feel it strongly have been shown to be more likely to have a certain gene – which could be called the “purity gene”.
You can see how the notion of purity can become pathological, such as viewing all meat as impure. Vegans take the compunction to a further extreme.
While it may be true that this emotional response could statistically assist those with it to have more secure and long lasting pair bonds, it’s possible even when applied directly to the notion of sexual purity that it can be an overblown emotional response – similar to how veganism is an overblown interest in the purity of food.
While interest in sexual purity could at best neutral, it can never be positive in the art of seduction.
And in regards to pair bonding, the emotional response is often way out of line with the statistical advantage.
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Ari:
And vitamin B-12, which is not found in plant foods. Vegans must take a supplement.
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“…and feel a glow of superiority as I watch the ghetto black mom behind me with her crate of juice boxes, chips and candy.”
The ghetto black mom might have a happier life than either you or the swpl chicks, because she’s oblivious to all the status competitions, and just eats what she likes. Yeah, she might die of diabetes but at least she enjoyed herself while she was alive. Something to think about.
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Much worse are hetero faggy herb guys who are vegans. They all have the same look: pale as shit, scraggly ass beard, wear tight ass faggy clothing, and look as though they have never played a sport, lifted a weight, or done anything remotely athletic in their lives. I hate them so much. Disgrace to our gender.
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Btw, I consider juice, chips, candy and pizza to be the major food groups. I won’t live to be 100 but I don’t give a fuck.
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Xplat,
Why don’t you stop banging your head against the wall? You are obviously having a bad day intellectually and the editor is handing you your ass on a platter. Regroup and reformulate as I would like to understand your point rather than pity it.
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The first sentence was supposed to be a joke…I forgot you Americans only laugh at Two and a Half Men..
My meat juice is from a live source…v different!
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Jesus you guys are almost as bad as the veg-heads. WTF do you care what someone else does or doesn’t eat, as long as they mind their own business?
OK, I’ll confess, I was a pescetarian (stupid word for fish only, no other meat) for about 15 years. I gave that up and have been happily eating steak since about the time I started giving up all other leftist SWPLish tendencies.
While sanctimonious veggies are pretty annoying, I am here to claim NAVALT.
I got sucked into it in my naive early twenties, but there was one reason and one reason only: objection to factory farming. When you see videos of animals crammed together in tiny cages wallowing in shit and being fed toxins, it doesn’t really inspire appetite. Call me a pussy if you want, but I still think factory farming is both morally wrong and unhealthy. That’s why I made the exception for fish, with the logic that they swam freely in the sea instead of being cooped up their whole lives.
I never bragged about my status or mentioned it to others in a self-righteous way. It was the precise opposite. I tried my best to conceal it. What I found was that people were so hyper-defensive about eating red meat, that THEY were the ones who constantly brought it up and harped on it.
It was my goal to downplay it as much as possible and never mention it if I could get away with it. Invariably, after sharing more than 1 or 2 meals with someone they would figure it out and start harping on it with a bunch of carnivore apologist bullshit that I never asked for. I would have preferred to have been left alone and never discussed my dietary choices. It was embarrassing.
There was also a shit load of questionable data that re-enforced the idea that I was making a healthy decision. All through the nineties the mantra was that soy was way better for you, and had much better protein, than red meat. There were a lot of veggie athletes and body builders too that came out in defense of it. Taken together, it just seemed like the right thing to do.
I have been eating steak and loving it, because it is much more common these days to be able to find grass-fed, free range beef. Call me any name in the book, but I will still seek out all-natural and somewhat cruelty-free meats as much as I can, because I think it’s healthier for both me and the animal.
Anyone else noticed that cage-free, chemical free eggs taste better, have a richer colored yolk, and thicker shells? They just seem like they come from a healthier animal, and I have no problem with that. Flame away shitbirds.
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Evil, did you read this comment http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/dating-a-vegetarian-girl-is-a-sacrifice/#comment-242294 above?
That’s about as clear as it’s going to get, without doing your own background research on “the genetic basis for morality”, which can be googled.
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SWPL = SWeoPLe?
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I used to be a vegetarian for two years. After I had been doing it for a while I started to find the smell of meat unpleasant, especially pork, and kissing a girl who had eaten meat before was gross like kissing a smoker for example. I started eating meat again because I knew I wasn’t getting all the protein and minerals I needed – it IS possible to do but you need to be organized about it, most vegetarians I know eat unhealthily. Getting back to meat was something I did slowly, first a bit of chicken or fish, and gradually eating more often and more red meat.
The shit about vegetarianism being necessarily anti pleasure is not true, you can eat really tasty vegetarian food, and the comment about hindus and the kama sutra is on point. One thing I noticed actually is while I was a vegetarian I had better control of my ejaculation.
The meat industry is fucked up for sure and the high level of meat production/consumption is very harmful to the planet in general. Giving a shit about the planet doesnt necessarily correlate with new age pseudo christian bullshit.
From my experience there’s nothing wrong with vegetarian girls in general, it looks to me like you are just projecting general problematic traits of american girls onto them, traits that could easily apply to many meat eaters too.
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For all you land loving dick wads that try to play off beef as prototypical man food, keep in mind what a dumb ass, over bred, fat beast it is that can hardly fend off a coyote let alone a pack of wolves. Grizzly bears eat salmon so its good enough for me. Sea food is wild and one of the most bad ass jobs there is trying to get it. So keep your stun gun holstered in your keister before you even think about trying to pull off big man beef eater. I do eat some grass fed beef and certainly buffalo, but they have completely screwed up mass market beef. If you want to chow down on ammonia doused pink slime, well my marred burro man, eat up.
Now if you just want to eat beef, go ahead but don’t start a food fight with it.
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Another thing the irritates me about vegans is they think they are saving the world. The only thing that can support any kind of human population in scrub lands are ruminants. They always assume veg efficiencies in arable land which might be easy to take for granted in some parts of the world. . In many parts of the world you’d be best off with a goat.
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If you guys are bored and wanna rage: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/gbil9/scott_adams_of_dilbert_fame_compares_women_to/
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If yellow toilet water deducts 0.5 from a woman’s score, skid marks on the porcelain lop off another 2 – especially if it greets the eye immediately after seeing the unmade up face first thing in the morning.
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Watch their channel. Fuckin genius.
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Didn’t work the first time.
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It might come across as arrogant posturing and status related social shaming to claim that guys interested in virgins are poseurs, but consider; guys with innate tendencies towards viewing sexually experienced girls as impure and unclean and unworthy to the point of not being sexually attracted to them and wanting to marry a virgin and not date without the intention to marry are extremely sexually limited.
The argument that virgins are a statistically better bet for wives could hold merit, however some guys take their interest in purity to a pathological extreme which leaves them at a massive disadvantage and hugely limits their sexual opportunities and strategies. As far as game goes, their strategies are so hugely limited that they are in essence poseurs. Virgins who pedestalize purity and have no eperience and don’t value experience.
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I only allow predators in the house, prey should stay in the barn.
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Once in college (80’s), a vegetarian girl approached me at a party and asked me, rather sniffly, if I was a hunter. I don’t know how she knew, as I was not wearing hunting related garb nor was I talking about the subject. I guess she discerned it from my body language or the way I walked. Of course, I answered, Yes, and the debate was on. Naturally, like all such debates, it eventually moved away from surface issues to core philosophy. Ultimately, it became a religious debate — JudeoChristian versus Newage world views — which went nowhere.
However…. the WEIRDEST THING… Somewhere during the conversation it became apparent to me that this girl was strongly attracted to me! Which was rare for a nerdy technical type, even a tall and decent looking one such as myself , as (unfortunately) a niceguy/beta persona normally cancels the advantage of an alpha physique. It boggled my mind until, long afterwards, when I realized:
(a) Women prefer badboys, and from the perspective of a liberal vegetarian, a conservative hunter was the ultimate badboy!
and,
(b) A hunter triggers (no pun intended) a deep ancestral longing in a woman for… well, a hunter, a man who can provide in the most primitive, rawest terms. Being a “beta” almost doesn’t matter at that point — after all, in the stone age most hunters were betas because most men in general are betas.
What a shame that her liberal/feminist/urbanist/vegetarian programming, caused her to resist on ideological grounds, the very sort of man her most ancient instincts craved AND UNERRINGLY PICKED OUT OF THE CROWD…. Poor thing. I’m sure she hasn’t had a happy life. I certaintly wanted nothing to do with her; “Do not be unequally yoked”, either in faith or at the dinner table, and besides she had narrow boyish hips… yuck. (I eventually married and had a family with a beef eating, breeder hipped, Bible thumper…. and couldn’t be happier.)
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Matt Berry
The only people who will be disturbed or offended by the slaughter house expose are the ones who never lived on a farm or who have never been hunting. An animal the size of a cow does not go “lights out” and fall without kicking around a bit unless it has received a high head/neck shot. Even then, they often kick around a bit. Are they conscious and suffering? With the head shot, of course not. With a heart shot = no blood to the brain? It depends a lot on their adrenaline levels and many other varibles but we are talking seconds only. But you learn to expect continuued random movement for quite a while after you know its over. So that means a lot less than the voice over seems to realize. It is just what one sees when a large animal is cleanly killed.
By the way, how is hunting and or slaughter cruel in relation to what always happens according to the unspeakable cruelities provided by our Earth Mother when creatures come to be eaten? Have you ever watched wolves feed on an elk? I did not say, kill and feed on, btw. That would be something else entirely from what they actually do.
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Well, I have made some changes, but I still eat pork, steak, skinless chicken and fish. But I don’t drink coffee anymore, and therefore I don’t consume cream or sugar. Now I drink rooibos tea. Also, I stopped buying butter in favor of margarine. Garlic smothered in olive oil is good for you, as is a glass of red wine.
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I’d have real respect for someone on the paleo diet — if anyone actually took it seriously. Anyone who talks about paleo and about eating bacon is a worthless poser. It’s as ridiculous as a vegan who eats chicken, cheese, and eggs at a restaurant because it’s not red meat.
People pretend to be paleo because they want a religion of “fuck you” that lets them say “fuck you” to vegetarians and liberals and gives them jusitifcation for shoving whatever they want down their piehole as long as it doesn’t look too much like bread. Processed meat is no better than processed carbs, but that fact doesn’t get through to the Religion of Ignorance or its High Priests here.
Eat sausage or hot dogs? Not a paleo.
Like bacon? Not a paleo.
Drink beer? Not a paleo.
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Alligators and such like are never “alive” to begin with. They have widely seperated cerebral hemispheres in their skulls. You can put a large caliber bullet thru both brain-lobes and the thing might still swim away as if nothing much has happened.
Ever hear the expression, “Run around like chicken with its head cut off”?
Re: Chicks and Bloody Deaths
Titus Pullo advising his friend on what attracts a woman: “Bring them the still beating heart of an enemy. It makes them wet as October though they will say it doesn’t”
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Super Alpha
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I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that dating a veg might be just the thing for the alpha-in-training. After all, one common beta mistake is to cater to her wants and needs, and this is a tough habit to break. If she’s veg, you’ll not only NOT do this, but will have opportunity to show at least a bit of contempt for those particular wants and needs, if only by grilling and devouring delicious medium-rare steak in front of her. Isn’t that one way to DHV?
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@Rox
Hmmm, spend time with your overweight girlfriend or level your mage…
…I cast magic missile!
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As long as she’s a “meat eater” when it really counts, who cares?
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Roissy, did you hit post on an April Fool’s Day post early?!
And everyone agreeing? How do you guys date models? I mean that literally: the only two actual models I’ve dated (i.e. not “I’m a model” but “I have to be in Paris for two weeks”) were really strict vegetarians.
Dating a vegetarian girl sets up a great dynamic: she’s the delicate one eating salads and linseed oil, while you’re the man, eating anything that drips with blood.
I’m serious, guys, how do you shoot for extremely hot women if you’re going to rule out vegetarians?
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Bill Pearl won the NABBA Mr. Universe in 1971 having been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 2 years, and he beat a lot of famous BBers at that contest too, like Frank Zane and Reg Park.
He claims he’d been off the steroids for a while then too.
Don’t tell me that you can’t be a “man” without eating meat, when Bill Pearl was able to look like a greek god and beat a bunch of juicing meat-eaters in an world-class BB competition.
Personally, I’m a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I never boast about it in public, because I don’t care what other people think about me, but the insults against people who don’t like to eat a “medium-rare filet mignon” from a tortured cow who spends the last bit of its life in shit-smelling feed lots, being injected with growth hormones and fed unnatural feed, or who don’t enjoy the smell of bacon from pigs who lived their entire lives in confined shit-infested concentration camps are stupid and childish. Go invent some other macho activity to get a Test rust.
Heck, maybe you all know factory farming is a terrible practice, and this is your response. It is a common response, you can find it in the Bible:
“For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” Romans 1:21-22.
Look up how your food comes to you before you eat it, and make your own choices. They’re only the facts. Don’t reject them like liberals do minority crime stats.
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@JT
Could someone explain to me the sentence “The id
monster doesn’t play favorites.”?
The “id monster” is a creation of the Ultimate Machine in the famous 1956 science fiction movie “Forbidden Planet”, loosely based on Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”, staring Leslie Nielsen, Walter Pidgeon, Earl Holliman, Anne Francis and “Robbie the Robot.” The machine, created by the original inhabitants of the planet, who went extinct the day the machine was turned on, is able to read peoples’ minds and manifest their thoughts into physical reality. Trouble is, people have a lot of primitive atavistic thoughts which they can’t control, even if they want to. The “Id” itself is a term coined by Freud, referring to one’s animal desires.
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To the above poster who mentioned Bill Pearl as a lacto-ovo vegetarian bodybuilder.
The dude literally ate dozens of eggs and drank gallons of milk a day. The fucker got his ANIMAL protein in one way or another.
If you think that the average vegetarian turd walking the streets can look like Bill Pearl without such extreme measures (and steroids) you are a gigantic moron.
Animal protein wins again
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@LBK
“…and feel a glow of superiority as I watch the ghetto black mom behind me with her crate of juice boxes, chips and candy.”
The ghetto black mom might have a happier life than either you or the swpl chicks, because she’s oblivious to all the status competitions, and just eats what she likes. Yeah, she might die of diabetes but at least she enjoyed herself while she was alive. Something to think about.”
Agree. Some people are dead set on thinking themselves into unhappiness. I know. You can train yourself out of this however, I know this also.
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New York strips and rib eyes dominate filet mignon. The flavor is in the fat.
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Really, why bother? All you’re doing is encouraging her to think being a grass-eater is normal and acceptable.
Was she crazy good in the sack? I find that hard to believe; sanctimoniousness and good sex seldom go together.
Drop her off at the vegan co-op and never see her again.
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“New York strips and rib eyes dominate filet mignon.”
Sorry….Kobe beef dominates all the above.
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More about game.
Less whining.
Just saying. If you’re running short on topics, may I suggest:
– Negs that work on vegan chicks who shop at Trader Hoe’s
– How to pick up girls at a discussion about ‘buying local’ (lol)
– The ‘Building Comfort’ stage in Day Game
– How to balance social circle game with approach-based pickup
et cetera.
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One thing I don’t understand with vegetarians justification about the treatment of animals that we eat is the alternative they face.
We have all seen those African documentaries where the lions have run down the impala and are tucking in with relish, organs being ripped out while the thing is still kicking. All animals in the wild face the same fate that our domestic farm ones do – they are going to end up on dinner plate. If I was a critter I would go for a few guaranteed years on a farm and a quick clean death at the end rather than living in constant fear and then actually being brought down by a predator.
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Jesus you guys are almost as bad as the veg-heads. WTF do you care what someone else does or doesn’t eat, as long as they mind their own business?
Didn’t you read the article and comments…that’s precisely the point…they usually DON’T mind their business, and usually dictate YOUR eating habits, etc.
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SWPL = SWeoPLe?
Sigh…GOOGLE, GOOGLE, GOOGLE!
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“The ‘Building Comfort’ stage in Day Game”
+1
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“Now that Western Christianity is a dead letter religion among the suckup SWPL set, something needs to replace the evolution-sized hole left in their heads from the excision of the traditional organized religions. That worshipful, in-group yearning is replaced by a new religion: the religion of “sustainable living.” Gaia is their God. Lettuce their Eucharist. Global warming their Nicene Creed. Canvas tote bags their cross. Marathons their forty days and forty nights in the desert. Recycling their tithe. Pet adoption agencies their soup kitchens and charity organizations. It’s a fucking joke, and it’s on them. They think they are above the religious impulse, when in fact they are as much a base animal as those plebes who earn their sneers; they’ve simply substituted a different flavor of the religious crack that gets them high.”
For further discussion of this topic may I suggest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
“The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements is a 1951 social psychology book by Eric Hoffer which discusses the psychological causes of fanaticism.”
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http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/group/busslab/pdffiles/EPculture-2006.pdf
Calorie production by men and women. Kaplan,
Hill, Lancaster, and Hurtado (2000) argued that a significant
aspect of hominid evolution giving rise to long
life spans, prolonged investment in juveniles, and large
brain size is that, compared to our nearest relatives, humans
consume high-quality but difficult to extract resources
such as animal protein. Whereas chimpanzees
obtain about 95% of their calories from collected foods
requiring no extraction (e.g., fruits, leaves), only about
8% of calories consumed by modern hunter-gatherers
are from foods requiring no extraction. Both men and
women contribute substantially to their own subsistence.
In the majority of hunter-gatherer populations
studied to date, however, the average male adult generates
more calories than he consumes—mostly through
hunting. These food resources yield benefits for reproductive
women and juveniles by providing extra calories
and macronutrients such as protein. Marlowe
(2001) estimated that, on average, men produced 64%
of the calories in all 95 foraging societies on which sufficient
information is available. In Kaplan et al.’s
(2000) analysis of studies that carefully measured produced
foods in nine hunter-gatherer societies, men
generated on average about 66%.1 No such surplus of
calories is generated by male chimpanzees. Women in
traditional societies can and do turn the surplus of calories
generated by men into production of offspring and
thereby reproductively benefit from this surplus generated
through male hunting (Marlowe, 2001).
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reminded me of this skit by mitchell and webb about meat eaters dealing with vegitarians
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In foraging populations, however, the degree to
which women and juveniles benefit from male hunting
varies. Indeed, in many groups that particularly rely on
gathered (as opposed to hunted) foods, women generate
more calories than do men (Kaplan et al., 2000;
Marlowe, 2001; Sanday, 1973; Schlegel & Barry,
1986). The variation partly depends on ecological factors
(e.g., Marlowe, 2001; Wood & Eagly, 2002).
Women can generate dietary resources at a greater rate
in some environments than in others (even while caring
directly for offspring, e.g., through gathering, horticulture,
fishing, or hunting of small animals). In these circumstances
ancestrally, the value of men’s contribution
to producing nutritional resources may have been
less, and men may have been selected to shift effort to
activities other than hunting and foraging (e.g., alternative
activities to compete against men and gain access
to mates).Women may still have benefited from choosing
men with the ability to produce resources, but these
advantages were probably smaller when the diet did
not consist of large shares of meat.
Due to varying relative benefits from mate preferences
for specific attributes such as access to resources,
men and women may have been selected to
vary the emphasis they placed on particular mate preferences
as a function of the ecological factors associated
with the degree of female participation in food
production. When men generate a smaller surplus in
calories, women may place less emphasis on male resource
acquisition abilities. Hence, the sex difference
in preference for a mate with high access to resources
may be muted in circumstances in which women participate
more heavily in direct production (see also
Schmitt, 2005).
Whenwomen are not involved in direct food production,
theirwork may focus more on domestic tasks such
as food preparation. One might also expect, then, that
when women do not contribute as much to subsistence,
they place fewer demands on a mate to help in these
other domains. [B]By contrast, in conditions in which men
contribute fewer nutritional benefits to women and offspring,
an evoked culture perspective might predict that
women choose men on the basis of desirable characteristics
other than ability to provision (e.g., status advantages
that provide direct benefits mediated through a social
network, genetic benefits to offspring[/B]; e.g.,
Gangestad&Simpson, 2000; Low, 1990b). As a result,
oneshould expect effective polygyny(variance inmen’s
sexual access to women) to increase. Moreover, when
women depend less on male contributions, they may be
more willing to engage in extramarital relations or,
relatedly, be less concerned about exhibiting restrictive
sexual attitudes to their mates (e.g., Gangestad &
Simpson, 2000; Schmitt, 2005). In summary, we might
expect that, as a function of women’s contribution to
subsistence (dictated, at least partly, by ecological factors),
a variety of other features, including mate preferences
and sexual attitudes, also change as a result of
richly responsive, domain-specific psychology sensitive
to these variations.
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http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/group/busslab/pdffiles/EPculture-2006.pdf
In foraging populations, however, the degree to
which women and juveniles benefit from male hunting
varies. Indeed, in many groups that particularly rely on
gathered (as opposed to hunted) foods, women generate
more calories than do men (Kaplan et al., 2000;
Marlowe, 2001; Sanday, 1973; Schlegel & Barry,
1986). The variation partly depends on ecological factors
(e.g., Marlowe, 2001; Wood & Eagly, 2002).
Women can generate dietary resources at a greater rate
in some environments than in others (even while caring
directly for offspring, e.g., through gathering, horticulture,
fishing, or hunting of small animals). In these circumstances
ancestrally, the value of men’s contribution
to producing nutritional resources may have been
less, and men may have been selected to shift effort to
activities other than hunting and foraging (e.g., alternative
activities to compete against men and gain access
to mates).
…snip…
By contrast, in conditions in which men
contribute fewer nutritional benefits to women and offspring,
an evoked culture perspective might predict that
women choose men on the basis of desirable characteristics
other than ability to provision (e.g., status advantages
that provide direct benefits mediated through a social
network, genetic benefits to offspring; e.g.,
Gangestad&Simpson, 2000; Low, 1990b). As a result,
oneshould expect effective polygyny(variance inmen’s
sexual access to women) to increase.
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@cheshirecat
well duhh
SWPL doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue though
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Now, I know you are making shit up, Roissy. Ghetto black women do not shop at Trader Joe’s. It’s a SWPL store.
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I also dated a vegan for a while and believe it ruined the relationship. No cooking together, very strict sanitation rules to prevent cross-contamination, snide remarks when we would eat “together”, scrunched up face at raw meat, and on and on.
I think it’s a major red flag when a woman is a vegan. Veganism is part of a holy crusade and don’t expect her to keep quiet about it long-term.
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I don’t get what the big deal is. I’ve been a vegetarian most of my life because I find meat difficult to digest. It’s never caused any problem in relationships. My boyfriend is an unabashed meat-eater and we’ve always enjoyed healthy, delicious meals together. We’ll cook vegetables or sweet potatoes together and then he’ll go out back and grill up a steak or chicken while I prepare some alternate protein – usually something involving lentils or chickpeas and quinoa – and then we’ll eat together with a bottle of red wine. Easy.
I know if I was able to eat meat, I would try to get free-range organic beef if possible. Less cruelty, purer and healthier. There’s nothing wrong with eating meat but it’s just as sanctimonious to claim vegetarians are all stuck-up assholes who never get proper nutrition. I’m a slim, happy, healthy vegetarian who made the choice to be so. I think everyone should choose, through trial and error, the best diet for their own bodies. And then leave everyone else alone about it.
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If this post was supposed to be humorous, it wasn’t.
If it was intended to be taken seriously, it failed.
Heterosexual vegetarian men are so rare in the state of nature that few women have experience dealing with one –
another reflection on your world.
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Thank goodness you hate vegetarians. It would be difficult for a vegetarian to deal with a whiny nancy boy who cries about women who don’t eat meat. Suck it up dude. I think your crying about this is a sign that you have a serious underlying mental problem. Probably from all that meat you’ve been eating.
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Every human being develops omnivorous dention. About a third of adult teeth are incisors. For incising meat, not legumes. Like predators have. The gut that real humans have is well equipped with meat digesting enzymes. Meat is digested much quicker and more efficiently than vegatation in a human gut.
Anyone who says they cannot digest any meat is therefore an impostor – not a human being at all. Someone take anyway its keyboard and delete its false IDs from the scrolls…
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[Editor: Passion can be a useful emotion in the service of rectifying an obvious evil. Some impending disasters are worth passionate engagement. ]
I concede this. As much as nihilist, i wonder at my energies occasionally engaged.
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better to sacrifice a few steaks rather than to live in fear your girl is going to grow into a 200lb couch potato…
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K.
No point in mentally scaling that mountain of shit. You may make it to the top but you’ll be covered in shit, and you still gotta go back down. Best to go around that one.
People who don’t have an internal sense of self worth will always seek to elevate their exterior (in manner, speech, adornment) so they can be noticed. To them, attention equals worth. Always fleeting, so on to something else.
The entire environmental movement is a prime example. Save the fucking planet – instant self-worth. Please. The planet’s only been around billions of years more than we have and will still be twisting long after we’ve dinosaured out. And the planet seems to be dropping copious hints that it can make it on it’s own. Tsunami (250,000), earthquake (230,000), tsunami (10,000+) over 7 years (but a combined 3hrs max in real time) – and all the curly light bulbed, Priusy low-flow flushers didn’t and couldn’t make a damn bit of difference. We’ll never run out these people because they’ve successfully anchored themselves to something (the Earth) that can’t tell them ; at least, not in a language they understand.
K.
This veggie thing is bullshit anyway. If all men went blind tomorrow, vegetarians would immediately diminish by 60%. The remainder won’t part with the need to look over their noses at other women in the checkout. But if we all went Ray Charles, vegetarians, Starbucks coffee drinkers and LV handbags would disappear entirely. Besides, if these chicks had a dude willing to do the vegetarian step n fetch she’d fully despise his ass within a year and be doing the Penis-vania Polka with the stud who tells her .
Incidentally, Starbucks actually moved to remove the logo and serve coffee in plain cups (same coffee, no logos – a cost-saving measure) and their clientele puked all over it. What the hell’s the point in proudly drinking that shit if people can’t tell that I can afford to drink that shit? Put it back.
K.
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Insight – those papers should lead the modern man to conclude that in a relationship with a girl, it’s very important to keep her down, financially.
It’s important that she rely on you for calories.
It also comes to the same conclusion I’ve been making on this blog – culture is a relatively weak motivator as compared to opportunities. Work with limiting and expanding opportunities in order to manipulate – works better than shaming.
Restrict your woman’s financial opportunities, and have her rely on you financially. She’ll love you for it. Literally.
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If the premise is that the sexual attractiveness of the socially proofed rogue comes from the chances are more likely that his sperm will sire males who are also sexually successful with many women, then it follows that part of the vibe that is attractive is that the man is NOT purity conscious. He is a wife fucker.
A man who is attractive to all women but who insists on lifetime monogamy with a virgin may as well be beta, as far as spreading his genes go. The attractiveness of the rogue is that he will spread seed far and wide. Spreading seed with only virgins would limit the field.
The sexual strategy that includes the desire for purity is that of the family man who wants to focus resources. The provider strategy is distinct from rogue strategy, and both push different sexual attractiveness triggers. Women who step out and fuck around do so with rogues. Women who settle down do so with providers.
Game is about pushing the sexual buttons that a rogue pushes. Therefore if you project that you have a disgust for sexual impurity, you are not pushing the rogue buttons.
The disgust with sexual impurity is anti-game. If you have it, conceal it.
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I wonder if autists / aspergers are incapable of playing status games, they wouldn’t even recognize all this posturing you’re talking about.
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The papers that Insight posted also should inform the casual dater that he’s best off paying for dates. Going dutch will lead the girl to step out.
Don’t look for a girl with “good” character. Don’t search for that unicorn who will be faithful and pay half her way. Just play the game as given. Push the buttons that lead to getting the responses you want. If you want her attached to you, make her feel dependent.
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Too true, all around bro. The sanctimonious preachy-ness of veggie girls spreads to all aspects of life. I have this theory that being vegan/veggie/whatever is simply a symptom of a greater SWPL’ey holier-than-thou thing. Couldn’t be bothered deconstructing it safe to say I hate their damn flat asses. Give me a bodacious carnivore any day.
I’m still not giving up Trader Joe’s as one of my favoriate day game spots tho. BTW, Target is awesome as well. Does anyone else here know why there are so many hotties at Target? (mine at least :\)
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As women have parallel sets of attractiveness triggers, if you want to push all of her buttons, you’ll also have to push the provider buttons.
A man dating a sexually well practiced woman will have an edge if he can not only push the rogue buttons, but also the provider buttons. If deep down he feels she is unworthy as a mate, he’ll be at a disadvantage to the man who is not turned off by her “impurity”.
So while the gene that codes for an enhanced and generalized sense of disgust towards impurity to include social and sexual concepts of purity may give a statistical edge in choosing a mate more LIKELY to remain pair bonded, as far as the seduction process goes, it gets in your way.
And as I’ve argued in many ways, the emotional response of disgust can at times be so overblown as to make a person view a multivariable entity as a monovariable entity.
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Now I don’t feel guilty for preferring women with large breasts:
http://www.helium.com/items/2123745-women-with-large-breasts-are-smarter
They say it’s because smart guys have been selecting the larger breasted women for eons. The genes are correlated now.
Question: Do feminists tend to have small breasts?
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I never bought this “wasting water” bullshit. Provided that it’s not being polluted, how can you waste water? As far as I know if it’s spilled on the ground it evaporates and goes into the ground water and comes right back around again. Unless there is chemistry I don’t know about, water moves in cycles. You can’t “waste” it.
Contaminate it? Sure, of course people do that and they shouldn’t.
And if you let your water run they will charge you money for it. That’s what this is really all about, isn’t it?
Someone please explain to me how flushing the toilet does anything negative for the environment, assuming you do dispose of your human waste that way and not by shitting on the sidewalk. Seriously, if I flush my toilet 75 times, how does that harm the environment? Water comes out the tap and down the drain and back to where it came from, right?
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It might come across as arrogant posturing and status related social shaming to claim that guys interested in virgins are poseurs, but consider; guys with innate tendencies towards viewing sexually experienced girls as impure and unclean and unworthy to the point of not being sexually attracted to them and wanting to marry a virgin and not date without the intention to marry are extremely sexually limited.
The argument that virgins are a statistically better bet for wives could hold merit, however some guys take their interest in purity to a pathological extreme which leaves them at a massive disadvantage and hugely limits their sexual opportunities and strategies. As far as game goes, their strategies are so hugely limited that they are in essence poseurs. Virgins who pedestalize purity and have no eperience and don’t value experience.
Xsplat,
Why do you think feminists created the phrase “slut shaming”? And then tirade about it in cunty books and articles? You are aligned with the wrong side on this one.
Very few men pedestalize purity to the extreme you suggest. The vast majority of men will gladly bang sluts all day long, yet understand that they are not the women you bring home to momma. And as far as partner count is concerned… has it never crossed your mind that a girl sucking 1 dick a thousand times, has the same amount of experience as a girl suck 1000 dicks 1 time??
Unfortunately, you keep buying the liberal line that the only way for a woman to be good in bed is to get around alot. Well guess what. The low count catholic girl, who thinks it’s her wifely duty to stay thin, hot and available to her man makes a much better long term lover than the presently thin democratic slut who thinks big can be beautiful, and that it’s empowering to not fuck you.
Men do not pedestalize “purity”, but you and feminists sure do pedestalize “impurity”.
Now read this and please, please get a clue.
http://collegeslacker.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/the-senior-year-settle-down/
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Evil, if you want to argue with me, argue with me.
If you want to argue with feminists, argue with feminists.
If some of my ideas remind you of some of their ideas, it makes no difference to my ideas. Your argument is one of negative association, and that’s a logical fallacy.
That you deliberately use a logical fallacy is ignorant and weak.
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Questions only to be answered directly, and not with blowing out puff clouds of dissimulating snark:
1) Can the desire for purity in some individuals become overblown to the point of neuroticism that hurts their game?
2) Can the desire for purity affect seduction in a negative way? If so how. Can it affect seduction in a positive way? If so how. (Note that the question is not about mate choice, it’s about seduction).
3) Do women have attractiveness triggers that relate to perceiving men as being able to impregnate many women? If so, is it likely that being perceived as someone who is disgusted by the impure would be perceived as being less interested in impregnating many women?
I am not arguing against careful mate choice, nor arguing that sexual promiscuity is not ONE VARIABLE that is associated with the strenght of pair bonds.
I’m arguing about the sense of purity having a bell curve that at one end is pathological, and that even in the middle can at times get in the way of the seduction process (as distinct from the mate choice process).
Evil, I forget which person on this board posted that he only wants to date virgins who want to mate for life with him. There are more than a few posters here who I consider to have a pathological interest in purity.
I’m a guy who after dropping the ice cubes on the floor puts them back in his drink. I am aware of the negative impacts of sluttery and not incaustious, but seem less concerned with it than many. From my view there is a clear disadvantage to being neurotic about it – and many here are pro neuroticism.
This is not a political discussion.
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Xplat,
That you and feminists are in agreement on this should give you pause. Apparently it does not. You’d rather dig in more, than think more.
I also would have expected you to know the difference between “Xsplat has a bad argument because it seems feminist” and”Xsplat has a bad argument just like the feminists”
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You’re just being silly Evil. Show me the feminist who argues that women have dual sexual attractiveness triggers, and how these relate to the gene for social and sexual purity?
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Southern Man,
I agree with you. My GF doesn’t eat beef (Indian heritage) but loves cooking it for me.
Also, I recommend women of Indian heritage to the readership. Slenderness and femininity is prized in their culture.
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Religious is the perfect word to describe this movement. Vegetarianism is, in many ways, based off blind faith. It completely flies in the face of science, as the studies upon which the low-fat, high carb diet was based off of are questionable at best. The main one that started this whole ridiculous movement….There was a LOT of data manipulation (ie. removing population from the sample size) that did not fit the theory he wished to arrive to.
The smug vegetarians have a very difficult time accepting that countries like France and Italy have high levels of fat (obtained from animal products) in their diet, but low diabetes, obesity and heart-disease rates. These fats (yes, I am talking about the saturated kind) are essential in vitamin absorption and for repair of artery walls.
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Xsplat,
There was no snark meant in my earlier comments to you. There is none meant in these either.
1. Yes. Virgin-philia/slut-phobia can fuck up your game, but so can virgin-phobia/slut-philia. Either way most guys don’t suffer from those extreme afflictions.
2. Assuming I understood your mate choice/seduction comment. ..Yes. If a guy thinks he is seducing a “good girl,” but then later detects a slut vibe that disgusts him and throws him off his game. Yes, if a guy thinks he is seducing a “good girl,” and he either is with an actual “good girl” or a slut that can hide it well and his game stays on.
3. Yes. But quality is significant component of this type of social proof. Walking in a place with 2 hotties on your arm, will get you more interest than being the lone male with a van load of average chicks.
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“Anyone who says they cannot digest any meat is therefore an impostor – not a human being at all. Someone take anyway its keyboard and delete its false IDs from the scrolls…”
Bullshit. Ever heard of hypochlorhydria? “Everyone” is meant to digest lactose and gluten too, but some people can’t. Until you’ve gone through 3 days of bloating, constipation and vomiting after a single beef burger, leave the armchair diagnoses out of it. Plenty of people are vegetarian by necessity, and saying “everyone” should eat meat is total crap.
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Western vegetarians can be real fanatics. Indian vegetarians, who were raised that way, are more tolerant, and they’d even be willing to fry a bacon for you. They may not taste it themselves, but somehow, they can tell when it’s done good.
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xsplat
“As women have parallel sets of attractiveness triggers, if you want to push all of her buttons, you’ll also have to push the provider buttons.’
I disagree. I think you either push the provider button, or the exciting/sexy button, or perhaps the “good gene/health” button. If you are in a culture where women aren’t financially dependent on men (like modern SWPL or US urban ghetto), being a provider gets you very little. So follow the Roissy/RooshV/Mystery method.
Note – to land a true dime, you will need to push all buttons. See:
http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP06134146.pdf
If you want to be what Roissy refers to as a “Beta Provider”, and you are not able or are unwilling to push the sex/exciting button (AKA have Game), then you need to get a wife from a “traditional culture” who is poor, and keep her financially dependent on you. Religious girls from the trailer park should also work.
Now that I have taken the red pill, should I choose to marry, I will try to push as many of these buttons as possible.
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Arbitrarily writing off ‘granola girls’ is going to mean writing off an awful lot of attractive White women!
I would gladly put up with the veggie habits of Alyssa Milano or Fiona Apple.
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BTW – here are the 4 attractiveness buttons, as defined by Buss:
(1) hypothesized good-gene indicators (e.g., masculinity, sexiness);
(2) hypothesized good investment indicators (e.g., potential income);
(3) good parenting indicators (e.g., desire for home and children), and
(4) good partner indicators (e.g., being a loving partner).
So does the Roissy method of attraction focus on just 1, or 1 and 2? I think 3 is out, and 4 is iffy (“I value my freedom” vs. vulnerability game).
[Editor: As has been discussed here at the Chateau ad infinitum, game incorporates all 4 buttons. Obviously the focus is on 1, 2 and to a lesser extent 4, but that’s because most men are, most of the time, interested in sex, not marriage.]
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@xplat
I would not draw too many conclusion from extreme ends of the bell curve. Male sexuality in the species is meant to float some with some extreme tastes to create some mobility for adaptation. However most of them are destined to fail. If however these few men with “pathologies” as you assume happened to be in an environment where there was a fatal STD, then its suddenly quite adaptive.
Though on a more common subject, virgins are the standard for high investment relationships. If, for the sake of simplicity, we simply presumed we had a woman who could not be gamed or seduced in less than a month, even that simple barrier could mean a man can be absent for several weeks without risking his resources on another man’s seed. That’s going to be attractive.
Though, as I have said before, it does somewhat conflict with sexual desire. I believe sluts are sexier, but with one little caveat; we also hate them. Sluts are sexually stimulating, but once a man has done his thing its adaptive to have disgust for her after as a protection against investing in such an unreliable creature. Its, for lack of a better term, the male concept of “hate sex”. Its pretty obvious in porn. Sexual pleasure is up since its basically a sperm war . Yet, the gang that banged her will have little regard for her as a serious mate, and may even have hatred which can also become a pathology we see when men kill prostitutes. Its anti-cuckold defense gone over board.
Bottom line: If you want marriage, best way to go is a virgin. If its a little too tame sexually, and you want to jump start your woody, imagine her as being a little slutty in your head and how much someone else would like to bang her. Your package will more than likely respond to the sexual threat you imagine in your head.
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I dated a vegetarian girl for a few weeks and upon our first disrobing, I was aghast to note she had an abundance of cellulite. Never before have I felt so cheated.
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“Bottom line: If you want marriage, best way to go is a virgin.”
All other variable being equal, yes.
But it should be obvious that all other variables are unlikely to be equal. A virgin ready for marriage is likely to be a very different creature in a whole host of ways than a non virgin ready for marriage – and I’m not just referring to bonding ability or self restraint.
You have made my point for me – when there is over emphasis on purity, a multivariable event is viewed as a monovariable event.
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I am not sure why vegetarian women are such a problem unless you are looking a life style convenience over the very long term. The general idea is to corrupt women to your way of thinking. I have always had far more influence on the diet. If anything, breaking a vegetarian would be an excellent metric on how well you can put on the saddle in general. The real problem is when she is able to project her influence and she will consider you a wee little man for giving in. If you eat meat and stop doing it for her, I cannot think of anything more damaging to your cause.
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But no one has addressed my main point. People keep coming back to a woman’s purity and how it relates to the security of mate bonds.
My point in this thread is a mans level of regard for purity and how it relates to a mans seductive ability and which attractiveness buttons he will push. My point is game related, not marriage hunting related. My point is that it is more attractive to either be inclined to or to mimic the bohemian style of regarding sex.
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It can take time and patience to break a woman of a food taboo. It took over a year before I got a Muslim girl to cook me my pork chops.
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While I would certainly prefer to be with an omnivore like myself, let me just say that vegetarians–as long as they’re not the kind to condemn you for your dietary choices–are still way more manageable than vegans.
I put it this way. You take a vegetarian to a restaurant. They can probably find something to eat, maybe cheesy pasta or something. Vegans though, you just can’t take anywhere, because oh no the pasta may have been cooked in a bowl that had butter in it a week ago!
That said, a vegetarian girl would have to be really amazing for it to be anything really long term.
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@xplat
I don’t think you have made the point. You are using a fallacious argument by viewing the number of variables without regards to their strength. It is also a fallacy to view virginity as a simple impulse. Its the result of a vast complex of tendencies. Its all really academic, and counting the number and size of the marbles cannot really decide until we do as Galileo did with stones. The actual data supports the position that opposes you. Virgins are more loyal.
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I’ve never argued that virgins are not more loyal, Evil.
I’m having doubts that your level of reading comprehension is up to hearing what I’m saying.
You haven’t seemed to hear me say
for instance.
You keep pitting me as pro slut anti virgin. I have no idea who you are talking to.
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Woops – above is to Chi.
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Chi – is your sole criteria for marriage how faithful the girl will be? If so, your monovariable should be your prime and only concern.
If you are also interested in having a super high sex drive, and fun loving risk taking attitude, you will have to balance that AGAINST fidelity. Multivariable.
Seldom is a man solely interested in the type of traits that keep a girl faithful. Those that are tend to base their relationships on companionship.
If it’s a companionate relationship you want, virginity could be quite useful to you.
But not necessary.
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@xplat
“I got a Muslim girl to cook me my pork chops.”
That’s poetry.
On the other point, game is about getting what you want. The essence of failure is becoming a beta which is essentially begging for female attention by acting like a slave. What affects your “game” is the mentality of a slave. If you reject women for not being pure enough, this can come off as a powerful disqualification let alone aloofness.
I know this from personal experience. I once told a girl I wanted to be a monk and had no interest in sex. I was just messing with her but she believed it and wanted to educate me. Then I also had a religious epiphany some years later. The same thing happened where she did “corrupt me”.
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Chi – it also helps to have realistic appraisal of available alternatives.
If you want a smoking hot highly sociable girl with a volcanic sex drive who orgasms while giving head for marriage, and you insist on virginity, have supernatural powers if you want to locate her on planet earth.
Virginity is rare and comes with reasons for it. Not all the reasons have to do with self restraint.
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But no one has addressed my main point. People keep coming back to a woman’s purity and how it relates to the security of mate bonds.
Xsplat
People keep coming back to mate bonds because purity is something men surely care about, but on a long term, not short term basis. In other words the typical man’s concern with purity does not affecthis game, because he is seeking a short term relationship.
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Evil, regardless of seeking short or long term relationships, an aversion for impurity will affect which attractiveness buttons you are capable of pushing, as I already clearly explained.
A bohemian attitude is the most seductive to women, all around. It goes both ways and is flexible.
The purity obsessed tend to be considered squares or players, with not enough middle ground to have real mystery.
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A man wants to be viewed as a romantic libertine who might – just might – be tameable.
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Xsplat,
Let’s stick to STR’s
What button is not being pushed by those who are not into LTR’s with sluts, and how much of a hindrance is it really in getting a quick piece of ass from said sluts?
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Another reason why women tend to not have the WIL experience with the purity obsessed is that every woman wants to have her inner whore appreciated.
Guys who believe in the concept of purity will neglect to treat his woman like a little slutty bitch. They will want to consider her trustworthy, which also deadens the WIL experience.
Guys who want purity are like women who want betas. Impossible to please, because as soon as you give them what they want, it all falls apart into dissatisfaction.
Purity is too boring for both parties.
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Evil, I’d imagine not much hindrance towards ONS with sluts.
The hindrance, as I said, was to pushing all attractiveness triggers. To getting the WIL experience from any woman.
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Oh – you can’t do a good bait and switch unless you either have or can feign a bohemian attitude.
So yes, you’ll miss out on ONS if you can only treat sluts as sluts.
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Guys who believe in the concept of purity will neglect to treat his woman like a little slutty bitch
Xsplat,
Please understand that “pure” is not a euphemism for asexual princess. For most men “pure” means a woman who has had select men appreciate her inner whore. If the only men who have had a cock in a her ass are the men she has cohabited with then she is “pure”.
If however her ass bang list includes a stranger in an airplane bathroom, the bouncer to get in a club, and her ex boyfriend’s best friend then we have an impure woman. What separates a “pure” woman from an” impure” women is her who’s and why’s way more than the what’s of sex.
Like I said before, a girl can suck 1 dick 1000 times, or 1000 dicks 1 time. Both will give her the same amount of experience giving head, but the former keeps her “pure” while the latter makes her “impure”.
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“What separates a “pure” woman from an” impure” women is her who’s and why’s way more than the what’s of sex. ”
Not according to how many on this blog use term. To hear some guys talk, a girl who has had five previous partners, most of whom were romantic, would be an immoderate girl not fit for romance.
My slander is not against guys who appreciate sexual modesty – it is against guys who OVER appreciate and OVER value sexual purity or impurity.
Do you not think that such men exist? Do you not see them on this blog? Do you not find they such men often appear sexually illiterate – or at minimum not up to snuff in the sexual marketplace of competing cock?
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To the guy who said you can’t eat bacon on Paleo doesn’t know anything about Paleo…
Beer is restricted obviously and the reason why you can’t eat sausage or hot dog is because 90% of the time you don’t know the sources of the it…
Even Robb Wolf says you can eat bacon…and he wrote a damn book on Paleo…
Mark Sisson another Paleo author…
even says you can eat bacon…
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-quick-guide-to-bacon/
JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE SOURCES…
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@xplat
Well, just because virginity is rare, in this culture, does not mean its not desirable. This is about all things being equal. Some girls are virgins by their lack of virtue in controlling their swine palates. A 10 who is a virgin, all things being equal, beats a 10 who is not. A 10 who is a known slut might even see an 8 out pace her in marriages and LTRs. Who here, if they woke up married, would choose a slutty 10 over a loyal 8? This might get complicated between 3 and 6 since this applies to areas of the scale where there is attraction. Nature is telling you that ugly women are a bad gamble in itself.
The ultimate male fantasy is to turn a virginal 10 into his slut. Obviously this is just a goal post, but it identifies our sex differences. Certainly a 10 will almost always win in the field of short term sex. Virginity, or female selective restraint is only a negotiating point when his resources are at stake.
How women have sex is the male shit test. Men want women who are not investment worthy to be slutty and it even works in that direction since it results in further down grades. The worst thing a woman can do when she is in the margins is hop right into bed. Many men tend to prefer women a couple points higher to not be so since they begin to think of higher investment opportunities. Though she may still survive the down grades if she is hot enough. If she has sex on the spot, he will take it; but, perhaps unknown to her, the circumstances may have changed considerably.
Men will show a great deal of awe and respect to a man who beds hot strippers. If he starts to show investment behavior, this in proportion changes to ridicule. Buying her dinner raises an eye brow. Taking her to Paris brings a laugh. Marrying her is the ultimate knee slapper.
Its really just a rehash of high vs low investment strategy. So I am not saying anything new. Your argument only applies to low investment strategy. How much of one or the other tends to be a function of geography. The further one is to the equatorial zones, the more the culture seemed to slant towards low investment.
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Not according to how many on this blog use term. To hear some guys talk, a girl who has had five previous partners, most of whom were romantic, would be an immoderate girl not fit for romance
Xsplat,
Yes, I notice the inexperienced beta tools who comment on sluts.
Nevertheless I think that <5 is very reasonable position for any guy looking marry a girl in her early 20's. Now if a guy is looking for a non marital LTR with a 30 something then yes that's over the top.
Peruse this when you get a chance. It is interesting.
http://www.20sb.net/forum/topics/average-number-of-sexual?id=826191%3ATopic%3A160239&page=9#comments
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Chi town, sometimes it seems as if you haven’t been reading what I write, and are talking to someone else. You don’t seem to know when we are in agreement, and you often see disagreement where there is none.
I said above that all things being equal, a virgin makes a better wife.
Then you point out to me the same.
Thanks for that.
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I’ve been told that perfume smells different on each woman, due to personal chemistry.
I just learned that if you mix two girls funk together, you get a unique third smell.
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Spiralina:
If you can’t eat meat, or even if you just don’t like it, that’s a very different thing from the holy anointed vegetarians/vegans/grass-eaters who REFUSE to eat it on moral grounds.
If you can’t eat meat, you’re worthy of mild pity — like someone who’s lactose intolerant or diabetic. But the ones who wrap themselves in the mantle of sanctity and make sure everyone around them KNOWS they’re virtuous eaters of leaves . . .
Run away as fast as you can and don’t look back or you might turn into a pillar of tofu.
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xsplat
I’ve been told that perfume smells different on each woman, due to personal chemistry.
Yes this is true. The same can be said of men.
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betondo fuchatuch
excellent comment.
Marshy Does anyone else here know why there are so many hotties at Target?
Cause the ugly girls shop at walmart.
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organ meat is the best thing you can eat period. Liver will supply you with more iron and vitamin A than a tonne of spinach or broccoli. Survival machines like Giant grizzly and polar bears that have varied diets and eat pretty much anything are known to make massive kills and leave giant carcasses in peoples driveways with only a liver and a heart missing, in many pack carnivores the liver is assumed to be eaten by the highest status or alpha animal. This is how they survive and get the best nutrients they need to survive, if it works for them….
When you understand how the food chain works it’s really easy to see the logical benefits of meat and it’s value as a nutrient rich store of nutrients.
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@xplat
“Chi town, sometimes it seems as if you haven’t been reading what I write, and are talking to someone else. You don’t seem to know when we are in agreement, and you often see disagreement where there is none.
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Is this my problem necessarily?
“But no one has addressed my main point. People keep coming back to a woman’s purity and how it relates to the security of mate bonds.”
That’s why no one addressed it. No one knows what you are talking about.
You said
“My slander is not against guys who appreciate sexual modesty – it is against guys who OVER appreciate and OVER value sexual purity or impurity.”
I am viewing your position as underplaying this. In some societies its one and done. That’s where I see we disagree. In strict religious societies where sex is tightly controlled, a “hot” slut is worthless, completely worthless.
How well would 5 partners for a 21 year old hottie work in 19th century US? How well in modern day Pashtun country?
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This is one of the best articles I’ve seen in a while. My sister is a vegetarian and I fucking hate her bullshit. I remember she would tell me that every meal she ate that didn’t have meat saved the life of a poor animal. BULLSHIT.
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Their new religion is a genocidal hatred of white people. All the examples you cite above have one thing in common – they elevate SWPLs above the common herd, in the minds of SWPLs at least, and what greater and final way to elevate yourself above the white (the only group worthy of their hatred) middle class and below than to make their very existence a sin to be eradicated?
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
What does that have to do with your real life choices in the real world?
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from http://www.20sb.net/forum/topics/average-number-of-sexual?id=826191%3ATopic%3A160239&page=9#comments
‘Does oral sex count? No’
lmfao
so i guess if a girl has fucked 2 guys but has blown 1000, she’s a keeper.
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@itsme
Bitches are stupid.
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Sadly, I must disagree with the premise of this article. Through my extensive sampling and experience I have determined that vegetarianism is one of the best “quasi-religious” collective manias to ever spread through the ranks of the food.
The combination of tastebuds and olfactory receptors rarely lies, and they speak clearly: Vegetarians are delicious. They have an almost grass-fed quality, and their flavours are surprisingly widespread depending on what particular kind of staple they favour in their skewed diets.
My favourite was a macadamia-flavoured food I caught many moons ago, I have yet to come across another food with the same balanced and not overpowering nutty flavour.
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@Jerry
“Now I don’t feel guilty for preferring women with large breasts:
http://www.helium.com/items/2123745-women-with-large-breasts-are-smarter
They say it’s because smart guys have been selecting the larger breasted women for eons. The genes are correlated now.
Question: Do feminists tend to have small breasts?”
In high school we referred to them as the Ittly Bitty Titty Committee, the girls with small breasts all ran around in small packs with each other, big breasted girls ran in ones and twos because they were BUSY with their boyfriends.
Also, the Russian word for committee is Soviet, is it not?
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Breaking vegetarians is actually a rather entertaining sport though. Hook up with them for a while, then throw out something like “this isn’t working. I’m tired of not even be able to share a meal with you, or go to a decent fucking restaurant without you nitpicking about “no vegetarian options””.
They typically offer to start with seafood again right on the spot. Another month and you’ll have them eating beef again. I did find it amusing how something like Sloppy Joes are the thing that pushes them completely back to real food far more often than things like steak.
Oh, and there was actually an article that found that bacon was the leading thing that caused vegetarians to give it up.
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Some people have some fucked up definitions of what sex is. Putting a dick in someone elses’ body cavity is always sex. Fuck all the bullshit exceptions.
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Here’s why that “wasting water” nonsense is F’n nonsense.
Let’s say Mother Earth has 1 gallon of water. I turn my faucet on and fill up a gallon container of said water. If I pour it down the sink, it is not wasting water, IT’S RETURNING THE WATER TO MOTHER F’N EARTH.
So the only “wasting water” going on in the minds of these Earth Cultists is whenever humans get to use it.
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It’s easy to worship Gaia when you are at the top of the heap. Nature has been kind to pretty white ladies.
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If your city is getting its water from an overtaxed source such as a drying aquifer or lake, and the city is near the coast and does not treat and re-use the sewage water, then water use would obviously be a concern. Fresh water is wasted when it’s returned to the sea.
Fresh water is a valuable resource that doesn’t always renew back to where it’s wanted at the rate preferred.
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And some people have a gene that makes them view this issue as a moral concern. You can call it the purity gene.
The gene takes the primitive reaction of disgust for foul impure food and enhances that emotional response to embrace other facets of life, such as sexuality, and makes people FEEL that socio-sexuality is a moral concern.
It’s fine to talk about how such a trait is useful for screening unsuitable mates, but that isn’t ALL that reaction does. It has benefits as well as costs.
Being innately predisposed to viewing socio-sexuality as a moral issue, as opposed to the free loving style of romance practiced by bohemians, carries with it the cost of a restricted set of sexual strategies the man can persue. No longer will serial monogamy be as interesting, instead he’ll aim for lifetime monogamy with a virgin. That’s a heavy restriction from one gene. And from the point of view of the girls, who are attracted to both the provider and the rogue, the purity gene will restrict the mans ability to broadcast romantic interest. Because he’ll save romance for virgins. This is a detriment to seduction.
The emotional response of viewing sexuality as a strong deeply felt moral issue, (girls SHOULD not be slutty) while not without value, carries socio-sexual costs as it directly alters personal socio-sexual values.
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@Xsplat
“What does that have to do with your real life choices in the real world?”
Your world is not necessarily the real world. It might be a large segment of the Western world. What we do see across the board is the female sexual fidelity, along with behavior that implies it, tending to have value, especially in investment minded males. Even if virginity is not available , the fewer the better. Basically the only thing men tend not to like about inexperienced women is the perceived difficulty in getting easy sex for men looking to hook up.
You are not entirely wrong that I am speaking in general as well. Many women find this confusing, so I am being rather fundamental.
It seems to be you are trying to reason with hardons in accordance with feminist thought. Telling men not to be hung up on female “purity” is like telling men that should not get so hung up on waist to hip ratios and shinny hair.
How do men answer? Some just go into low investment mode and enjoy the sluts with little investment. Others go through great lengths to find someone they think is more likely to be loyal. Some just give up. Other men consciously or unconsciously spend less time trying to be appealing themselves. Women of lower quality get the same.
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I’m not telling people what sexual strategy to take. I’m pointing out that men’s sexual strategies are varied. Men who have a strong sense of moral purity don’t realize that this is not universal, because from a subjective level, it does not appear as a stance at all. Right and wrong is universally right and wrong. That’s how morals FEEL. The language of describing sluts – dirty used up sluts with floppy vag lips and gaping hoes – is felt as a fact, not as the viewpoint of a sexual style that the person is born into.
For a guy who doesn’t share that view, hearing people describe the world in such tones just begs for correction. I’m not saying that such a view is wrong. I’m saying it is what it is. It’s an innate style people are born into.
If you are studying game, you need to know your style, your character, and how to use it. Know it’s strenghts and weakneses. Consider the strengths and weaknesses of your competitors.
The hipster and the square use different approaches. You can’t really turn a square into a hipster. But game is about altering habits and viewpoints, about trying new things, about seeing what effects you get from pushing what buttons.
The bohemian gets to enjoy serial monogamy and happily falls in and out of love easily – never expecting nor wanting things to last forever. He can easily appreciate an experienced woman, and bond with her, letting the seasons of love come and go. The square gets to create a more rigid structure of rules and regulations, and gets to work with others to create a socially controlled situation that is to his benefit.
Nowadays the square is at a disadvantage. It’s just about impossible for them to band together and have much social effect on women through social shaming. This is the time of the bohemian.
The square needs to adjust his game to the times.
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Xsplat, I didn’t expect to see a valid, logical response countering mine, but yours was good enough to qualify as a situation-specific instance of where water may be “wasted”.
In my situation, I have well water so what I “waste” goes right back into the same ground as it came from. But, even though you point is value, I believe people such as Roissy described don’t care regardless. Any water used by a human is a waste or precious resources unworthy of our use.
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I’m vegetarian. I don’t see why non-vegetarians care about others being vegetarian. Why does it matter what I choose to eat? Do you also care about what brand of toilet paper I buy?
[Editor: Yes I do. GTFO of here with that euroweenie 2 ply shit.]
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Honestly, every person I ever met who was a vegetarian had serious issues. They are usually bitchy, self centered, and just don’t like food. They think that they can sneer at what everybody else is eating like they are superior. In fact, they actually have an eating disorder and use vegetarianism as a cover.
The most annoying thing about vegetarians and vegans is when you invite them to supper and they start asking questions about what is in the food. My grandmother always taught me that when you go to someone’s house for dinner, you eat what is put in front of you. Vegetarians think they have a license to be rude just because they are vegetarians. They only thing more annoying and useless than a vegetarian is a lesbian.
My favourite joke, “I am so hungry, I could eat a vegetarian.”
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I didn’t check to see if this has already been posted.
Anyway, how fucked up is this …
“French vegans in dock over baby’s death.”
Two vegans who fed their 11-month-old daughter only mother’s milk went on trial in northern France on Tuesday charged with neglect after their baby died suffering from vitamin deficiency.
Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou, whose vegan diet forbids consuming any animal product including eggs and cow’s milk, called the emergency services in March 2008 after becoming worried about their baby Louise’s listlessness.
When the ambulance arrived at their home in Saint-Maulvis, a small village 150km north of Paris, the baby was already dead.
The ambulance workers called the police because the child was pale and thin, weighing 5.7kg compared to an average 8kg for her age.
The baby had only been fed on the milk of her mother, who was aged 37 at the time.
An autopsy showed that Louise was suffering from a vitamin A and B12 deficiency which experts say increases a child’s sensitivity to infection and can be due to an unbalanced diet.
“The problem of vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother’s diet,” said Anne-Laure Sandretto, deputy prosecutor in the city of Amiens where the trial is taking place.
The parents, who also have a 13-year-old daughter who did not suffer vitamin deficiencies, became vegan after seeing “a television programme about how cattle were taken to abattoirs,” said the mother’s lawyer, Stephane Daquo.
They distrust traditional medicine and prefer to treat their children using their own methods, in accordance with advice from books
“The couple did not follow the doctor’s advice to hospitalise the baby who was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight when they went for the nine-month check-up,” Daquo said.
“They preferred applying clay or cabbage poultices whose recipes they found in their books. These are people who read the wrong thing at the wrong time,” said Daquo.
The parents are still vegan and “are completely aware of the mistake they made,” said the father’s lawyer, Patrick Quenel.
The couple has been charged with “neglect or food deprivation followed by death” and face up to 30 years in prison if convicted.
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Ari Hinkelberger = uninformed = ignorant rant … fact check your shit. This is coming from a male vegetarian who gets plenty of plant protein and works out 5- 6 days a week and has great skin complexion and the face of a 25 year old. Just saying …
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Actually, I have turned the tables on nagging women who try to brainwash me into consuming soy containing soy products such as tofu and soy milk.
Soy is basically estrogen, and I tell these beatches that real men do not eat soy.
One day I was checking out some junk food labels and found out that HOT DOGS now “contains soy”. I said, WTF, could it be the feminazi establishment poisoning the food men consume???
could this soy-ification of the food supply be the reason why boys and young men are becoming so pussified?
I have never liked margarine, and do certainly consume my share of meat be it lamb, pork, beef, and on from time to time certain organ meats that WASPS no longer eat, but do the libido good……..rocky mountain oysters, livers, tongue, etc.
When I want to splurge on the weekend, I make myself some handcut french fries (my concession to vegetarians) but fry them either in duck fat or a tallow/lard blend like the belgians do!
I remember the first time I went to Argentina and Brasil, I was almost crying at the sight of those huge slabs of meat, chorizos, etc etc…meat nirvana or valhalla
If I have to choose between a nagging broad or a 24oz porterhouse, the broad takes a hike!
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Actually, I have turned the tables on nagging women who try to brainwash me into consuming soy containing soy products such as tofu and soy milk.
Soy is basically estrogen, and I tell these beatches that real men do not eat soy.
One day I was checking out some junk food labels and found out that HOT DOGS now “contains soy”. I said, WTF, could it be the feminazi establishment poisoning the food men consume???
could this soy-ification of the food supply be the reason why boys and young men are becoming so pussified?
I have never liked margarine, and do certainly consume my share of meat be it lamb, pork, beef, and on from time to time certain organ meats that WASPS no longer eat, but do the libido good……..rocky mountain oysters, livers, tongue, etc.
When I want to splurge on the weekend, I make myself some handcut french fries (my concession to vegetarians) but fry them either in duck fat or a tallow/lard blend like the belgians do!
I remember the first time I went to Argentina and Brasil, I was almost crying at the sight of those huge slabs of meat, chorizos, etc etc…meat nirvana or valhalla
If I have to choose between a nagging broad or a 24oz porterhouse, the broad takes a hike!
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If you haven’t eaten meat in a while, cooking bacon actually does smell rank, really bad.
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Wow, what a nutter. I take it she also went outside to poop on the grass? Great fertilizer! She should’ve peed in the bath too, great cleanser! If you’re gonna do something disgusting, do it right…
But what’s with the negativity towards Vegetarians? It’s a big DHV to girls to at least be considerate of it, and their vaginas taste better. If you want to compare it to religion, you don’t purposely antagonise a Jewish girl to score points…
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