A reader emailed a heartbreaking story to the Chateau. I reprint it here in the full because there is so much in it that could serve as lessons in life, alphaness and fatherhood. As you read it, prepare to cringe. Do you see a little of yourself in the father? In the son?
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I really don’t know who else i could write to about this.
Today i was out for lunch with my dad. Sushi, as it was. My father isn’t the most assertive man, I’ve come to realize. but when this half-baked early 20’s asian in skater jeans and ray ban corrective glasses doesn’t bring us our food until we ask about it a half hour later, and still gets it wrong, and then continues to delay most of our food we have to leave before we get to eat the half of it. I was ready to get in the face of the woman at the register, but i thought it was my dad’s place to do so, since he was buying and he is my father. but he bumbled up to the counter,
“um, excuse me, our food was late and we didn’t get to eat it all…” He trailed off. The woman behind the counter looks up with her eyes glazed over, and gives him the bill.
“no, no, i don’t know if i should pay full price…”
she points to the bill which says (10% off -2.59)
BEFORE tax.
so he paid the 30 dollar bill with his two dollars off. i was thoroughly embarrassed. but it was worse. as i’m trying to ignore him, hoping he makes a bigger stand, he touched his hand to my face. it took me a second to realize that this was a playful slap.
“what was that?”
i knew what it was. he had such repressed aggression that he needed to let it out through momentary displays of dominance over his 18-year-old son.
“i just hit you.” he said in a goofy snorting voice, looking at the ground. still in front of the cashier. this was all to win the approval of a 5-foot asian woman in a tank top because he couldn’t stand up to her.
and then there’s my mom, the opposite. imposing, commanding, domineering, unbelievable condescending. she’s a executive director of a research facility. she actually says the only way to get along with her is to say you understand what she’s saying and leave it alone. of course, she can’t see that that’s batshit crazy.
They’re divorced of course.
The issue is, I’m their child. They’re both too deep in their own delusions to even notice that they’re destroying me. and so are my friends. I feel like I’m getting sucked into it. im submitting to my mom, when i used to make her laugh when she was trying to tell me what i’ve done wrong. I finished high school, with no motivation to continue my education. i spend most of my free time in front of a computer. I work a shitty job that I can’t even focus at. I haven’t had sex in months. when i’m at a party i’m more self conscious than i’ve ever been in my life. I can’t hold a conversation like i used to.
my friends suck,
AND I CAN’T STAND THE GIRLS I MEET
I’ve had sex with girls i don’t actually like, and it’s boring as hell.
I’m losing my wit, i’m losing my figure, im losing my ability to be extroverted, i’m losing my will to live.
how do i stay afloat? why should i stay afloat?
A sea of bullshit smells just as bad when you’re on the top of it.
how can i stop this death spiral when there’s nothing i want to hold onto?
I’m hoping for words of wisdom, but putting my long-winded whining in its proper place could be just as helpful.
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Brutally bare. You’ve just had an insider’s look at the sordid details of a beta father’s life, and the wake of destruction such betaness leaves on the psyches of those around him — his son, his ex-wife and himself, not to mention the automatic disrespect it engenders in strangers. If you are a man and this story doesn’t reach out and punch you in the sternum, you have no life experience and no heart. A better advertisement for learning game to overcome beta weakness I can’t imagine.
Betaness isn’t some grand scheme or bodily disorder. Betaness manifests in the little things, like a father’s inability to square up to a waitress for bad service or his repressed anger played out in subtle dominance moves over his son. When we speak of game being a lethal tool to lift a man up from betaness, we mean it is the little things that game fixes. Forgetting this leads one to easily scoff at game as some kind of magic elixir or cult hypnosis. But focus on the tiny details, fix them one by one, and suddenly a new man appears before you, almost like magic.
If you are a father and you don’t approve of game as a means to pick up women, at least recognize its transformative power to improve your relations with your wife and children, particularly any sons you may have. Your son looks up to you as a leader and a masculine icon, almost despite yourself. When you renege on that implicit promise, he becomes disoriented, even self-loathing. If you are divorced, your son’s time with his cunty domineering single mother will only worsen his state of mind. As the country veers into a dystopia of single momhood and lonely, sackless beta divorcees, expect to see more sons with stories like the one told above. Nothing good can come of it.
Knowing this, learning game is practically a vital imperative. Maybe you can live with yourself as a sniveling little beta shit who can’t chew out — or at least neg — a young asian chick who deserves it because you get all flustered in her presence, but can you live with the pain and embarrassment it causes your son?
Readers generally fall into two camps with regards to the ability of the typical man to understand and apply game. Some believe attractiveness to women is a genetic bestowal, while others believe game, i.e. charisma, can be learned by any man. The answer is somewhere in the gray middle. Yes, some men are born with an incipient natural charm and others are born with the requisite intelligence to parse game concepts, and these men will excel at learning game far beyond what an omega will get from it. Yet there are thousands, maybe millions by this point, of men who have seen improvements in their love lives and their family lives accrue from the blessings of game. These men did not start out with Class A genetic endowments. Their very existence proves that sheer willpower — the will to mold their environments, and themselves, to their advantage — can mean the difference between being the father in this young man’s story and being a better man his son would be proud to call dad.
Stories like the above show that betaness is not solely, or even primarily, a genetic curse. A father’s actions have real repercussions on his son’s trajectory in life. The father in the story acted horribly beta and his son was aware of it. His low status behavior left a lasting imprint on his son’s soul, and as a result the son’s self-conception has been altered, and now careens down a darker path, into deep thickets and waist-high bogs bubbling with doubt and anger. This is one way in which generational betaness is passed on, from father to son.
Imagine a different scenario had played out. A GAME scenario.
Today i was out for lunch with my dad. Sushi, as it was. My father is a serene man with a well of righteous dignity, I’ve come to realize. when this half-baked early 20’s asian in skater jeans and ray ban corrective glasses doesn’t bring us our food until my dad asks if there’s a kitchen fire holding up our order, and still gets it wrong, and then continues to delay most of our food we have to leave before we get to eat the half of it. I was ready to get in the face of the woman at the register, but i thought it was my dad’s place to do so, since he was buying and he is my father. He strode up to the counter, chin high and chest out:
“I won’t be paying this bill today. Our food was late and we didn’t get to eat it. If you have a problem with that perhaps I could let the other patrons here know how incredibly poor your service is.” He motioned to the diners seated neraby. The woman behind the counter looks up with worry in her eyes, and offers to give him a free meal and a 50% reduction on the bill.
“My son might come here to eat another time. I expect him to be served respectfully.”
As i’m beaming with pride for my father, he puts his hand on my shoulder and leads me out of the restaurant.
“I got you the waitress’s number, son. Don’t forget to make fun of her glasses.”
Impossible? One weekend reading this blog and that father could have saved his son’s soul that day. He might even have saved his marriage, but judging by the description of the mother, I’m not sure he’d have wanted to once he figured out that game gave him the ability to date more women. And better women.
The only advice I have for the young man who emailed me is the following:
1. Stop beating up on yourself and acting so goddamned melodramatic. You have much insight for your age. Your intelligence will take you far. Now what you need is calm and wisdom.
2. This too shall pass.
3. The big picture trumps the little picture.
4. Stay away from your mother as much as humanly possible. She is damaged goods for you. Single moms, even your own flesh and blood, are poison for your growth as a man and a ladykiller.
5. For that matter, stay away from your father. Unless he is willing to change, he will only continue to infect you with his beta loser stench. Harsh words, I know, but your well-being trumps all.
6. If you are not ready to give up on either of your parents, then show your father this blog. Tell him to read from day one. Enlightenment is a mouse click away.
7. Show your mother this blog too. Expect hysterics.
8. Stand up to your mother. From what you have written, she sounds like an emotional vampire who demands payment in obeisance and comes to loathe those who give her what she wants. Fuck that noise. Get back to the cocky/funny that you used to be around her.
9. If all the above fail, consider physically moving away from these parasites. Friends, family, everyone. Gather your savings, quit your job, and move to a new city or even a new country.
10. Someday you will die. But that day is not today. Now is the time to live.
unrelated question:
telling a girl (truthfully) what you like about her and what you don’t like about her – prior to being romantically involved
alpha move or not? good idea or no?
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Good advice with the last point. I’m going to take my tax return and savings and get the fuck away from here.
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Why would two men be at a sushi reataurant? The only reason to eat sushi is if it will lead to sex.
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a sad but not uncommon kind of story. i wonder whether the advice should be to stay away from both parents–that might leave some of the demons lurking unslain– but maybe to retool or redefine the relationships. be more assertive, act like an adult, only visit or interact with them on your terms, etc.
off topic, but kinda funny:
http://www.theonion.com/video/damaged-women-stage-drunken-2-am-march-on-washingt,19840/
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“This too shall pass”. I think I just saw the soft underbelly of the chateau. I think it’s too late for the father and mother to change just yet. Too little respect for the kid. Another lost generation too self-righteous and entitled – it’s too late to expect change from others at this point. I think it should be an internal battle for him first.
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Bravo, Chateau!
Looks like to saved a young life, no doubt many others as well.
Made me appreciate my own Alpha dad a lot more, too.
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“Why would two men be at a sushi reataurant? The only reason to eat sushi is if it will lead to sex.”
Sushi is fucking delicious.
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A brief word to anybody who feels like the kid in the post, from a man who’s been there:
You deserved a good father but you got ripped off. Well, some men get born crippled, or stupid. It could be worse, and you can’t change it anyway, so fuck it. Your past is a shit test you can pass only by ignoring it and maintaining your frame. You CAN control the future.
Nothing is written. You are not your father. Be the man he isn’t. If you have sons, your mission is to be that man for them.
Don’t waste any more years of your life on bullshit.
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If the dad can’t handle his, likely white, ex-wife, he has no hope with an asian restaurant owner lady who would hand him his other ball. Dragon-lady stylez.
Beta son should stop whining & just crawl into a corner.
He’s the kid of single-mother, & he should be roaming the streets, smoking weed, partying it up & knocking up bitches left & right.
What the fuck is wrong with him?
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“You deserved a good father but you got ripped off.”
What is a good father?
The “alpha” father is the father that gives his son alpha genes & doesn’t stick around.
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Sheesh. If you can’t dominate your own parents, who can you dominate?
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Ugh, my dad was too alpha and I rebelled against it, running to the beta-light that society was preaching.
That’s disastrous too.
So, there I was growing up, having the wrong ideas on how you meet and bed women. I thought that monetary success would be the key, that being nice was important, etc. I focused on my studies to get big degrees instead of on my natural athleticism (it turns out John Hughes et al was wrong, chicks do dig jocks more than nice guys). The end result was dating below my looks because I acted too nice to girls I was attracted to and was therefore left with chicks who I ended up unintentionally gaming because I was never infatuated with them. Of the 9’s I did date, they dated me because of my looks or brains and their own determination that they could be happy with that. But of course, I fawned too much and they eventually left.
I now appreciate it when dad lays down the law to his wife and I am trying to bring that into my own life too. However, if my dad had understood what he had to offer, he could have coached me up too when I was younger. That he wasn’t being an ass, he was just taking control.
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I think “Alpha” and “Alpha Father” are not synonymous.
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@Roissy
Come on, you are MUCH smarter than that.
A “divorcee” or “divorcée” is a woman.
If you want to use a male form (I have
never seen it), “divorce” or, better, divorcé,
would do fine. Cf fiancé, fiancée.
It is a nit, I know, and I rarely nitpick.
But you are one of the few people worth nitpicking on….
Thor
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Great post and very timely for me, my wife will be giving birth to my son in a few weeks and it is good to be reminded of how important a strong male role model is to a young man’s development. I’ll give my son a few days to recover from the trauma of being born and then his jedi training in the dark arts begins. Day One: How to Suck Tit Like an Alpha.
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I agree that the best thing the son can do is to, “Get out of Dodge”, provided that he goes to college, or gets a job in another town/city. He should not stay in the same physical area as his parents, and should cut off both parent as much as possible – say a phone call every month or two.
But here’s where I differ in Chateau’s advice, I think he has no obligation to save either parent, he should just think about himself and his future – as they had their whole lives to f*ck themselves up, let them solve their own problems.
If he becomes a better man than his father (read: Alpha), then he can approach him in 5 years and offer some sage advice, but not now. Now his focus should be on self preservation, and removing himself from the toxic stew he has been immersed in for too long!
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Last line is brilliant.
One day, you’ll be old and not able to get it up.
That day is not today.
My father is a quiet, domineering man with Views. Debating them with him is a serious issue. He makes it serious. When my sister came home with a black man, after a series of guys who seemed interchangeable, there was a mess of typhoon proportions: my father, ironically, was the calm one. He cast a very hard look at Boyfriend and evaluated – every – little – thing on his own, in his own time.
As the debate quietly swirled, me thinking – My sister’s a bitch, I couldn’t really care less, good luck to any guy in that pot – my father sat at the dinner table one night when everyone was there and announced,
“I think the character of a man speaks more loudly than the mindless chatter of millions.”
And trust me: That was the end of it.
But my father, in his quiet calm, terrified my BIL so completely, my BIL later said:
– “Your father’s silence scares me more than any other man’s threats.”
Silent, calm, like some kind of rock; you want to debate something, bring it or don’t bother him.
I recognize this is a profound strength.
Had my sister brought home a white guy, sure, the white guy would have it easier. Way easier. But my BIL was made to show himself for who he really was, and my father missed nothing. If my father said it was okay, even tacitly, then my mother did something few women know how to do:
She shut up. Not one more negative word was ever uttered in public on the subject by her.
BTW, my sister respects my father as the toughest guy in the world (despite his aging frame), and loves him to bits.
Me, on the other hand, I rebelled against my father’s Conservatism, insulted the family by marrying a Jew (there was that liberal “fuck you” element in it – I admitted it later), and called him a conservative, small-minded prick.
Turns out, on almost every score, he was right, and I was a complete idiot.
Un-educating myself has been me learning where my father was right and I was wrong.
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Kid in this letter needs to find another male role model.
And to get out of dodge ASAP.
I say Asia.
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PS get a degree first.
Then get the hell out of the US.
Go somewhere else and do an interesting job.
In the short-term, learn to be a Man from non-thugs.
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I was raised by a little bitch just like this guy. where do I get a real male role model
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Beautiful post.
But this
7. Show your mother this blog too. Expect hysterics.
is only relevant for fans of absurdist comedy
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Great post, and I know I’m missing the entire point here; but I’d be wary of acting too alpha/agressive with people who could spit in my food, etc.
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“His low status behavior left a lasting imprint on his son’s soul, and as a result the son’s self-conception has been altered, and now careens down a darker path, into deep thickets and waist-high bogs bubbling with doubt and anger.”
Truer words are seldom written. My father, a self-made millionaire, completely acquiesces to my mom, who was wild child single mother when they met and married and then takes out his repressed bitterness and frustration on my brother and I, all the while holding our substantial inheritance and lifestyle perquisites over our heads like Damocles’ sword should we attempt to assert any measure of independence or dignity for ourselves.
Although I have it pretty damn good and shouldn’t be complaining, it’s fucked with my head worse than Parkinson’s disease to have a father that I can’t respect as a man. My mom has even admitted to me that she’s unhappy because he wasn’t the man she thought she was marrying as she met him in his work environment, where he was a respected top dog (read: Alpha). Game, Stoicism, and my plan to move to Asia in a year to teach English are the few things keeping me sane.
Keep doing what you’re doing Roissy, it saves lives.
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I am 25.. This post describes my life.. I can totally relate to this kid. Roissy, you’re the man. This blog changed my life upside down. It gave me the tough love that i needed. You don’t need the bible to get through mid-life crisis.. Just read roissy’s blog.
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This is the truth.
I have 2 boys, the oldest is 14 and I’m divorced.
I was a beta, but I came here a year and a half ago and at sites like the spearhead and in mala fide and my life has not been the same.
I have had thus exact scenario and one whe I stood up publicly for my sons and not only do the respect me, I’m not exaggerating, but they treat me like a god.
I have dated successfully, even doing the three girlfriend thing at once and am now in a relationship by choice.
Thankyou for this post, keep up the life changing writing, many men’s lives have been changed, even if we haven’t commented before.
This advice is golden.
Now that you’ve motivated me, can you do a post on game for single dads or some advice?
Thanks
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The story resonated with me but for a different reason. I have found that as I get older, I tolerate ineptitude in those who profess to serve me less and less. Wait staff, hoteliers, shop girls and the like need to understand that I, the customer, am the boss of them, at least for the duration of our exchange. The father in that little horror story has yet to learn that and more importantly, take it to heart.
When I was young and inexperienced, I let people walk over me and although it bothered me, I could not bring myself to let out the alpha in me except in fits and starts. Even when I saw results, it was as if I could not believe it.
Since then, I complain when I do not get my due. My girlfriend loves it “when I am the man” (as she puts it) in such situations even though she gets quiet upon witnessing such confrontations.
Yes, letting your inner alpha male out works and can indeed save relationships. Some might regard having to do so as being hopelessly archaic but that is how we are wired and no amount social engineering will change that.
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This “game” advice is absolute savagery. Just leave a 10% tip instead of 20%, and don’t go to the restaurant again. Don’t involve other people or the media, because any issue is between you and the service. Doing “game” like that means the police are involved.
Bad service is not worth creating a scene for. If anything, it’s not even worth fighting about. Just pick yourself up and move on to a better sushi spot. Just like women.
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Great post with great comments. Looking forward to more insights.
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I remember the time my dad walked a tab, with his whole family in tow. We couldn’t believe it. He complained about what terrible service it was, and he said, “If you can’t get me the check before I hit the door, I’m out of here!” and he walked out calmly. The manager claimed he was going to call the police, but couldn’t seem to find the time to do that, either. He was rarely confrontational, but always quiet, confident, and self-assured.
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This was a very important post Roissy for all males, even those that don’t plan on sleeping hundreds of different women.
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Anonymous2, you’re a wimp. Wimps like you give the takers and the users all the rope they need to hang you with.
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@Anonymous2.. Yes, if you already are secure enough, you gotta pick your battles wisely. A simple “fuck this place” straight into hosts face would do.. However, as every act of this micro-avoidance (hat tip to sixty years of challenge) brings your self-esteem down a notch. So if you’re on a lower end of status pole, you want to stand up for yourself more often. As with usual game, if you’re a niceguy, better to err on the assholish side.
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What about the impact of beta fathers on females? Does it make them more or less inclined towards alphas? Is game harder or easier on a chick raised by a beta?
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“Me, on the other hand, I rebelled against my father’s Conservatism, insulted the family by marrying a Jew.
Turns out, on almost every score, he was right, and I was a complete idiot.”
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Idiot indeed.
You will experience the pleasure of getting ass-raped by your Jewess in divorce court.
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@Gorbachev:
I say SE Asia.
Let’s not fuck around on this. The kid’s masculinity has gone full code. He needs the Mayo Clinic for Betatude.
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The best detail in that story was the faux-playful slap the father gave the son.
This is the interesting thing about betas. The negative emotions they try to suppress will always leak out in some way. Always. Without exeption.
Women often say that “Nice Guys” really aren’t so nice. They’re not just saying that because there is no attraction. Its actually the truth.
[Editor: Compared to the jerks chicks love, niceguys really are nice. Their problem is that they aren’t assertive, confident and cocky.]
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You nailed it today. I thought that kid was describing my dad, then I realized, shit, that fucker lives in me too. It is mr. 20th century beta man, and he must be excised from all of our hearts and souls.
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“Just leave a 10% tip instead of 20%, and don’t go to the restaurant again.”
Are you NUTS??? Lousy service gets you ZERO tip, and truly lousy service means I walk out without paying AT ALL. That is what I would have done as the father in the original story.
A tip is for service, and if your service SUCKS you get NOTHING. Be warned, Chuck Ross!
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think henry viii would have put up with shitty service at a restaurant?? he would have put the server’s head on a pike and then went genghis khan on the entire place.
fortunately, today we are much more civilized. just leave a 10% gratuity instead of 20%. that’ll teach ’em.
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yea, this is a very real problem. my mom is polyanna and my dad is super-beta. and whoever says it can be generational is right. my grandpa got married, his first wife killed herself because his pimp hand was too strong and then he married his secretary 3 months later and took a one year honeymoon, leaving the kids at home. (against his credit, she was 10 years older than him. he didn’t pull quality tail.) as a result of all that authoritarian behavior, my grandpa basically turned my dad into a sniveling beta. my mom told me my dad followed her around for a whole year asking for her hand in marriage. she declined him 3x and he cried for days after each one until she relented. as a result i was raised with no strong male role model and a polyanna-influenced view of single-motherhood and feminism. It took a lot to undo all that. as a result i swear on 100 bibles that my children will be slaying tail by 13.
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@last tango
Wrong again. Pro tip: restaurants are one place where you simply have to leave the alpha at the door. They are VERY bad places for dates. Or anything, really.
If you simply must go there, try to be at least respectfully neutral. You can always write a review at a later time, if you’re really that much of a grudge holding beta.
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Alpha dad should have had his post-divorce new hottie 25 year old gf cook for them both instead of sushi.
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yeah 10% is like saying sorry to whoever faulted you. lollz. Another WTF is the slap part – i just don’t understand, anyone cares to explain? Why would he (mockingly?) slap the son? What’s the context/meaning?
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@Anonymous2
What kind of pussy are you??
Look a while back I was on a second date with a hot chick, and we went to a new Pan-Asian place in Union Square, Manhattan. The place was kinda hip looking, the food cheap but mediocre, and the service lousy. We were one of only 4 couples there, so the place was almost empty. The waiter spent half his time glancing over at the hot chick I was with, with a somewhat envious mien.
The bill came and it was $33, so I said to my date, “I’ll spot for this, but you get the movie tickets”, and she was good with that. So I left $40 (2x$20) on the bill tray, and was getting ready to leave. The waiter comes back maybe 10 minutes later and says:
Waiter: You make mistake, only $30 – and holds up a $20 and a $10.
Me: I left two $20’s on the tray, that’s $40…
Waiter: No, no, no… , he no leave $40, he leave $30!
Hot Date: Yeah, are you really sure you left two $20’s? Maybe it was a $20 and a $10, it could happen, right??
I glance at the waiter and then at my date, and I’m thinking to myself that this f*cker knows I’m out with a hot chick and is trying to mess with me, hoping I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and pony up another $10, as the night is slow, and I don’t want to offend my date… Of course maybe it’s also possible that I was mistaken and I did leave less, so what to do… so, I say:
Me: No f*cking way amigo! I left $40 there and you damn well know that!
Waiter: I get manager…
Manager: You leave $30!!!
Me: I didn’t, I left $40. come on let’s get outta here… …
Me: Next time your hiring, be careful of guys like that
Hot date: Wow, you remind me of my father so much!
Me: How so?
Hot Date: Well, he could really be an asshole sometimes?!
Me: Thanks!
The rest of the night was an absolute blast. Four years later, she says to me:
“You know the first time we met I wasn’t so sure about you, but somewhere around the second date I felt a ‘connection’ with you…”
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@itsme
Think less like Henry VIII and more like Louis XIV. It’s the difference between being admired out of fear, and admired out of the sheer excellence of one’s own existence. The Frenchman is the real alpha here.
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@last tango
Wrong again. Pro tip: restaurants are one place where you simply have to leave the alpha at the door. They are VERY bad places for dates. Or anything, really.
Or what? Asian Tyler Durden will jerk off in your sushi?
You gotta stand up for yourself.. I know it’s hard. For smart people it might be outright repulsive (yelling, etc).. But at least fucking say it. Make them uncomfortable. 10% my ass.
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@last tango
It’s common etiquette now to tip at least 15% no matter how poor the service is, and 20% or better if it’s exceptional. A traditional 10% tip is the alpha way of expressing your disappointment without coming off like a, well, “Canadian”.
One has to maintain a baseline measure of respectability, if one must demand more of it.
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Ah yeah…but if you plan on going confrontational, it had better be after you have eaten and not planning on eating there again. I don’t think I would feel much victory for going “in your face” against a passive aggressive attack like hepatitis spittle in my salad greens.
Don’t be a stupid alpha.
Hell, I remember a McDonald story about a pain in the ass manager having one of his crew make a burger for him. Now don’t you go thinking White Castle has a monopoly on steam burgers…
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God thats sickening. Who rolls over like that
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What seems to me relevant is discarding her, belittling her, standing up to her. In short, depriving her of having any power over your life. Any hysterics are merely comedic. Any contempt or disrespect by her is irony due to her value system leading to the sorry state she’s in.
Here is the mental state, which I adopt (to some extent) as anti-controlling mother measures:
She is bitter, overworked, unhappy, ageing, unlikeable and divorced. I am young, optimistic and free with the future ahead of me. She is amusing. Like any woman, I like to tease, challenge and unbalance her. She has no power over me. I make fun of her delusions. I bring her into my frame, my reality. I do not go into her frame. I do not go to her for affection, for anything. She comes to me.
I do not adore her. I do not fear her. I do not hate her. I do not depend on her. I do not need her input. I protect myself from her first and foremost. She cannot control me. I have distanced affection for her, with a faint tinge of pity. She has no real influence over my mental and emotional state. She cannot emotionally blackmail me. She has no effect on my actions.
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an alpha doesn’t place a high priority on etiquette or respectability.
the behavior you’re describing is that of a gentleman, not an alpha.
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comment above was to anonymous2
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whatever, bro. I hope you’re some butthurt “industry” worker. Try to get a gig with regulars, not some miller lite night… And if you’re not, it’s just pathetic, you sound like some kind of senior citizen. Grow a pair.
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well, at least in good sushi places you can watch the guys making the junk, so there should be a minimal amount of genitalia related retaliation.
This reminds me of P.J. O’Rourke saying that the best advice that a father can give his kid “if it floats, flies, or fucks…rent it.”
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This post pretty much sums up my childhood. To the young man which this post regards to I offer the fallowing additional advice which helped me if he so happens to read this.
-Quality girls do exist, but only represent about 20% of the population, and only half if not less of this percentage are pretty. Numbers will increase your chances of finding these rare gems. Screen as needed.
-I personally recognize both my mother’s and father’s faults as a result of the culture and environment they were subjected to in there upbringing. We are all a product of our environment.
-Stand up to your mother (and to others for that matter). It will be HARD, and she may resent you for a while, but I guarantee she will respect you more and eventually come around. Also, let known your opinions to your father when needed.
-You will have to parent yourself, and teach yourself everything your parents did not. This may seem daunting, but remember, baby steps. In relatively short amount of time you will see progress.
-Find a passion. Passion drives ambition.
-Everyone is a teacher.
-Do not just read the information given out there, live it.
-In the end, life comes down to one thing; perspective. Never doubt the power of how you, and others, mentally perceive things. We construct our own reality.
-And most importantly, relax, let loose, and have fun.
I strive to live by example for my parents and siblings. It took several years from the age of seventeen in addition to a gigantic move as they tried to hold back my success; not wanting me to succeed where they had failed, to have reached my present state. In the end, my family respects me more, as do I respect myself, and they remain on their best behavior when I am around.
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Thank God my dad doesn’t take shit from anyone, your counter example is something straight out of my dad’s mouth, and I can definitely say I took after it.
This dude aint alone. I saw way too many kids like this back in high school who had pussies for dads- mostly divorced from shrews- and acted just like them, and it pains me.
It also cannot be understated how important it is to get away from your mom. My cousin was in the same situation and ever since he bailed from my bitch thrice divorced aunt 4 years ago he has gotten exponentially better.
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Never fuck with the people who handle your food.
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My dad is a typical beta baby boomer and my grandfather is a badass cowboy alpha from the silent generation. I learned much from both of their styles, and as a husband and father I find that both have served me well at times. Knowing which one to use at what time is definitely the tricky part. I agree that the situation described above calls for pure alpha, whether your kids are watching or not. He who pays full price for shitty service will encounter a lot of shitty service. Hell, I’m not thrilled about paying full price for average service.
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You go alpha w/ the restarount owner. You play beta with the cop when he pulls you over (right after you hand him your concealed carry permit and inform him there is a loaded gun in your vehicle).
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@Anon
“Me, on the other hand, I rebelled against my father’s Conservatism, insulted the family by marrying a Jew.
Turns out, on almost every score, he was right, and I was a complete idiot.”
***
Idiot indeed.
You will experience the pleasure of getting ass-raped by your Jewess in divorce court.
The divorce was amicable (on her part), while devastating to me – though it did free me from my mental prison, convincing me that being married in the first place was a gargantuan error.
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@driveallnight
@Gorbachev:
I say SE Asia.
Let’s not fuck around on this. The kid’s masculinity has gone full code. He needs the Mayo Clinic for Betatude.</I.
Point.
I hear the Philippines is gold for this sort of thing.
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I moved away from home and my stubble is growing noticeably thicker and faster. My mother sounds like this guy’s mother but at least mine doesn’t really ‘dominate’ over my dad. My dad would always beat sense into my mum and be the voice of reason in the house. I seem to have inherited his introversion and ‘logical mind’ but he is very much a model of manhood, self-control and stoicism to me. We get on very well, but we don’t talk about emo-ish, sensitive stuff, mainly because it’d affect my image of him if I saw it. Detached, stoic, even-tempered dad is the dad I like to know.
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As I have said here and elsewhere, many times – finding this blog sixteen months ago completely transformed my relationship with my children and undone much of the damage done by sixteen years of beta-providor dad and the subsequent divorce. In fact the most frequent mistake I make is to slip back into “good dad” mode; when I treat my kids (especially my daughters) according the the precepts of game it works wonders. For that alone I prostate myself in awe and respect and everlasting thanks before the proprietor(s) of Chateau Roissy.
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Don’t quote me on this, but I think I remember once reading a story where a disciple of the Buddha was stung by a scorpion or snake, and the Buddha stated that if he emanated “compassion” this would not have happened.
Now, the point that I am getting at is not about compassion, but you emanate out your personality, and to use the language of this blog, that would be either “alpha” or “beta”, and this is what is picked up by others.
Besides game, why not start strength training and bodybuilding, why not also start to learn a martial art. This will cause you to emanate that “intensity” and “dread”. Also, to the fathers out there, your son will not respect you if you only provide food, clothing, shelter, and other necessities. Your son will respect you if you create this “spiritual bond” by giving him an ethos on how to be strong, and also by being a formative influence on his strength. Here is a start, take your son to the gym when he is 13, and lift weights with him. Be a formative influence on his masculine development.
I will end with a quote by Yukio Mishima
“Especially today, with the decline in the father’s authority, the ‘mother’s darling’ has become increasingly more common and there has been a dramatic rise in the number of what the Americans call the ‘domineering mother type’ [in English]. The father is ostracized, and the strict samurai instruction that is supposed to be handed down from father to son is completely neglected (indeed, there is no longer anything to hand down), and even for the child the father is reduced to a machine that brings home a pay-checque. There is no spiritual bond between them. The feminization of men is a common object of criticism today. But one should realize that the weakening of the father’s role is proceeding at an alarming rate.”
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Are niceguys nice? Naturally, yes, but their position leads to repressed anger and resentment, the pressure of which builds up and then gets released in negative or ungraceful ways. Extreme examples being school shooters.
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Young man. Join yourself up with the infantry. Go into the outskirts of the empire. Choose risk to find your edge.
Don’t kid yourself. No amount of game or anything else will change this fucking shithole into anything good. Ever. Don’t you run away from it like a coward either.
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To the young man:
pick up and move away. One of my biggest regrets was not putting down roots in a new town, away from the old emotional baggage.
Write your own story under a new sky. It will be lonely and frightening at first, naturally, but you will also be able to pick and choose who you interact with.
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This kid needs to follow Charlie Sheen as a role model.
Winning.
One speed, one gear: “Go”.
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And this explains the popularity of MadMen. The parents were all alpha. They weren’t programmed to be herby white guys.
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Someday you will die. But that day is not today. Now is the time to live.
Most inspirational quote on this blog ever?
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If the boy can’t snap out of it — join the military. You’ll have plenty of Alphas to hang with. It’s better than a cubical farm.
Pick an MOS that is clever — like Automatic Anti-Aircraft Artillery. You’ll never be sent into infantry fights — and will have time to learn German and score some local chicks.
( You’d want a gig that stations you in Europe. Those boys almost never get re-deployed.)
When you get out you’ll be remade as a Gamester.
And getting Uncle Sam to pay your rent = building a stash and the perfect excuse to cut free from the terrible triangle that is your hell.
Staying even close to them = toxic to the soul.
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I swear, I kept hearing this in the background while reading this post:
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here’s a story about my dad:
*ring ring*
dad: hello?
some woman (paraphrasing, obviously): hi, do you remember seeing so-and-so maybe thirty years ago? well she’s my mother, and she seems to think you’re my father.
dad: can you run? are you athletic?
woman: uh…
dad: all my children are very athletic and able.
woman: not particularly…
dad: you can’t be mine then. i remember her, she got around a lot.
and we never heard from the woman again. it probably was his, i say this because a DNA test a couple of years ago proved another illegitimate child was his.
my mother said the many times she left him made her feel like there was no point in living.
he is one of my favorite people in the world. i feel sorry for the guy in this post for not having an awesome dad.
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Bravo my good sir
I know how that kid feels. I was him a few years ago until I found Game, mainly through this very site.
The kid needs to do something. Anything. College. The Army. Foreign aid. Anything. He needs to get out and get some life experience away from his toxic parents.
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[Editor: Compared to the jerks chicks love, niceguys really are nice. Their problem is that they aren’t assertive, confident and cocky.]
quoted in recognition of the good men I have had the pleasure of having company of.
who will behave like jerks with their friends for a show, but avert their eyes when females walk by.
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/03/24/modern-men-and-suicide/
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“how can i stop this death spiral when there’s nothing i want to hold onto?”
don’t be an hero, man. if you go to 4chan, go only for the lulz, same with your life. become your own purpose. it’s the only thing you need to realize.
And if we mortal men shall be cast in the role of devils, then let us wear that horned crown well, for our gods are many and of this world, and our blood is thicker than oil upon this fine earth, and our eyes see further in the sunlight.
be a narcissist, be selfish, have an ego as big as the fcking planet, you won’t get to wisdom without one.
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This is a good post. A few months ago my husband ordered a pizza and went to pick it up. He came back with two pizzas because the woman had gotten the order wrong. I know it isn’t a big deal, but I was annoyed that he was too wimpy to correct her mistake and just quietly paid for the two pizzas. I didn’t care so much about him paying for the extra pizza as I was turned off by the beta behavior. Men should not be afraid to stand up for themselves in these situations. Obviously not everything is worth making an issue out of and you always want to be polite and reasonable.
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The kid sounds typically Asian. Weak-willed dad, dragon-lady mom who ends up utterly confused.
Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die.
STOP BLAMING YOUR PARENTS…
@AM
“”telling a girl (truthfully) what you like about her and what you don’t like about her – prior to being romantically involved
alpha move or not? good idea or no?””
Key here is “Prior to being romantically involved….”
Bad idea…make her want you. If she doesn’t, then move on.
If you are romantically involved, you have to find ways to do it that are mixed in with game.
Keep her constantly guessing.
The girl I’m now seeing, prior to getting involved, I gamed her hard. She claims she didn’t know I liked her until I grabbed her and made out with her.
After that, she was putty.
But by saying that she’s actually gaming me. She was always hanging around me, giving me IOI’s.
AM…study game. Understand that to create attraction you don’t have to tell her you like her.
Learn the Mystery Method of building attraction, Neg, Kino, push-pull, kino…neg…check for IOI’s then offer some rapport/comfort builder but NOT telling her you like her. Tell her something about yourself, some vulnerability, one you’ve overcome.
When you’re romantically involved mix it up.
If you’ve established Alpha Cred…then you can say what you want because you do so from a position of confidence.
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THe girl I’m now seeing picked me up from the airport a few weeks back after a long trip.
The taxi driver tried to charge me for each piece of luggage…
In Chinese, I blasted the guy for being a cheat and complete dick.
Girl sat there amazed that 1) despite my exhaustion i stood up to the guy and 2) I could do it in her own language.
She laughed in that girly way when a girl is getting gina tingles.
She banged me hard the second we got home.
To AM…if you can do that, you can get away with telling a girl what you think of her because you’ve established your alpha cred.
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The kid in this post is beta and blaming his betaness on his surroundings.
The other side of this is a cautionary tale of how betas blame their surroundings for their inability to be assertive.
Recognition of the problem is the first step to getting help.
But I can say from personal experience that the reason I discovered game was that one girl who came onto me hard, then pulled away turned me into a panting beta with oneitis.
I kept thinking…”I have to tell her how her behaviour is hurting me”…Beta.
Then I started googling her behaviour and discovered the various PUA blogs and sites.
Then I realized I wasn’t alone. She was being a girl….I discovered “shit-tests”…the Mystery Method.
I began practicing it.
I screwed up a few times.
Then I started to buckle down and understand what was going on in the male-female dynamic.
Then the failures became fewer and the successes became greater.
It’s an evolving process.
You need to understand…every setback is an opportunity.
No setback is permanent unless you make it the cornerstone of your existence.
The questions here about “Is it beta to tell a girl you like her?”
Context is important…if you understand game and the male/female dynamic it’s ok.
That same situation occurs when a girl deliberately tries to push you to the limits by flirting with another guy or something similar.
I’ve since learned that if you keep your cool but firmly explain that is not on…she’ll smarten up.
It worked in my case.
The girl I’m now seeing had all sorts of tests…had a cougar girl friend I told her was simply not on to hang with….that ended.
She had a variety of orbiters….that too ended.
Now…she knows the guard rails….it goes much smoother.
She gets rewards in the form of positive compliments but most of the time they’re tempered with some cocky remark.
She loves that…and that…is what I’ve learned.
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This is a touching post, and good advice for the young man. I made the mistake of trying to fix and care for my own and spent years paying for it. My early twenties-gone…much of it spent in deep depression, near suicide attempts, and therapy.
There is hope, because we are made to be the masters of our own destiny. It is only when you focus on becoming a better, more evolved person that you can attract the good things in life.
But a very strong emphasis needs to be placed on one thing… cutting off contact helps initially… but you can not erase years of negative subconscious programming just by doing that. Parents have a powerful subconscious influence that can only be reversed by hard work, determination and a lot of deep introspection.
In my case, the healing only began after making the decision to stop being controlled by external circumstances. I deliberately moved across the globe and carefully selected the people that became a part of my life. It helps to only allow winners and people you wish to emulate.
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Parents are our models for God. Following my debut into Divorce 2.0 I thought about the man I wanted my son see. Depressed, drunk and smashed beneath a stiletto heel, or proud, dignified and capable. The sweet spot is somewhere betwen Atticus Finch and Rick Blaine.
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lara,
when i read the part about your husband bringing back two pizzas because the woman had gotten the order wrong, i thought to myself, ‘not bad, he got her to give him a free pizza for his trouble’. then i read the rest of your post…
no tingles for you!
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Never fuck with the people who handle your food.
sometimes i like a good pu pu platter with cream of sum yun gai
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After the divorce (’bout five years ago) I read a lot of books on single parenting, relationships, and so on. Some seemed pretty good at the time, although I had no idea why. I went to a fair amount of counseling as well, and some of it was pretty useful, although I didn’t know why. Then I found the lights of Roissy. I’ve spent the last hour re-reading a couple of chapters from my favorite single-parenting books and see now that they almost, sort of see the truth, taking pages and pages in an effort to get a point across that the writers and commenters on this blog can convey in a few harsh sentences. I would LOVE to see what some of these authors would write and these counselors would say if they ever got game.
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Should we really go back and read from day one? I’ve been reading backwards. From new to old. Do you think your blog is better absorbed from beginning to end?
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Anon said: “The ‘Alpha’ father is the father that gives his son alpha genes & doesn’t stick around.”
Like in a “Boy Named Sue” by Johnny Cash.
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TL said: “Yes, letting your inner alpha male out works and can indeed save relationships. Some might regard having to do so as being hopelessly archaic but that is how we are wired and no amount social engineering will change that.”
Damn, straight. Life is short, have balls.
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Anonymous2, why 10%? Did you leave your balls at another rstaurant?
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Side point on the tipping discussion in the comments:
If you ever want to tell a waiter “fuck you” write the tip in on your check… for an exact amount under fifty cents.
As in:
Bill 20$.
Tip: 0.02
Total: 20.02
Did this once when a dude took thirty minutes to get me a glass of whiskey. He was so pissed when he came back and said “hey THANKS for the GENEROUS tip.” “You’re welcome bro! You earned it!”
But to the main post – yes, all right on.
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maybe off-topic, but you know what i could use? a love story. a real goddamn love story. please write one.
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This is why I started my blog, “Things My Dad Should Have Taught Me”. Without Roissy and his blog, I would have never written word one.
Now, I feel it is my mission in life to bestow the knowledge I have learned about being a man to the next generation.
Roissy, I am interested in what you think of my blog.
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I’m blessed to have been raised by two men. My biological is an “Old- school Player”. Doesn’t give a good-goddamn about a woman’s opinion on how he lives his life.
He does what he wants, when he wants. My Old man has a bumb ticker and glaucoma, but he has a revolving door of birds who come by to get their freak on. When he’s done, they leave. No if’s, what’s, or bullshit.
My Step-Father is a New-School Player. He and my Mother have been devoutly in love since I was 6 year’s young. It’s not by accident. My Mother is a very stubborn, caring, highly opinionated woman who values her husband and her boys.
My Step-Pop taught my Brother and I to be self-reliant and gauge our self-worth on the weight of our accomplishments and the mental aptitude of our experiences.
Both Schools have given us the requisite testicular fortitude to never harbor bullshit drama from women, nor do we pull on the hem of her opinion.
The worst tragedy of Western culture is the demise of ritual from boyhood to manhood.
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Bhetti–
An excellent female version of how to deal with an overbearing mother.
The son’s version is a little different, in that it seeks psychological dominance, or some of that, or should. But there’s much in common too, such as the emotional distance, not seeking approval from her, aloofness and self control.
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Roissy = the wise, pussy-getting older brother that every guy wishes he had growing up.
Thanks bro.
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Tipping? 15+% if you did good. 0% if you sucked. I refuse to give away my money on bad service, and people who insist on tipping 20%+ regardless of service piss me off.
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What an epic and heartbreaking post.
@Roissy, I’m glad that you decided to examine this oft-ignored side of father-son dynamics. When the father fails to embody a strong and noble source of masculinity, he denies his son not only a sense of self but his birthright. The story reminded me how lucky I am to have a father and grandfathers cast in the traditional mold.
Best of luck to the young man who wrote this email. Hopefully he is about to embark on a great adventure.
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“If you are a man and this story doesn’t reach out and punch you in the sternum, you have no life experience and no heart.”
I think I have no heart.
My reaction was, “STFU, whiner. You know the problem, if you are writing to this blog.”
So solve it, or STFU.
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I strongly identified with this post. It applies to my own parents as well as to the parenting skills of a lot of people I know. (A friend of mine’s daughter recently got into a verbal altercation with a bully. Instead of confronting the bully’s parents, which is what my friend initially wanted to do, he pussied out and blamed the incident on his own daughter.) My own parents marriage is pretty much what would happen if Michael Scott hooked up with Angela on The Office.
This post made me slightly more sympathetic towards women. It seems that some writers in the alt-right manosphere/whatever tend to resent women for going after alphas…but women’s shit testing and alpha-lust make a certain degree of sense when considering the amount of turmoil and misery a beta can inflict on everyone around him with his insecure bullshit.
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advice to kid: move away, set up shop and try running my flavor game directions found here: http://www.ifsmassive.blogspot.com
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I’ve been a long time reader/lurker and I will say that this is among the most heartfelt of Roissy’s posts. Kudos. Hat’s off to you, sir.
Lingering around the powerless–whether domineering or passive–is like cancer to the soul. It’s only a matter of time before the toxins spread into every avenue of your life: Romantically, sexually, career-wise, self-esteem. You name it. Toxic people will sabotage anything within reach as they lack the ability to create anything positive for themselves or the world at large.
Marginalize those people out of your life as best you can.
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It’s common etiquette now to tip at least 15% no matter how poor the service is, and 20% or better if it’s exceptional. A traditional 10% tip is the alpha way of expressing your disappointment without coming off like a, well, “Canadian”.
Wrong.
A 10% tip is nauseatingly dickless, not alpha.
Giving money to someone who has offended you with their poor service is abject, supine, and stupid. Plus you are making the service worse for the rest of us, as waiters will soon learn that they can be rude slackers and still get 10%!
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Some wise person once said that 97% of being a good Father is just showing up. The universal archetype you embody will get the real work done… if you don’t actively fuck it up by trying to be a Nice Guy..
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My father = absolute beta
My mother = stubborn, control freak
I’ve suffered enough. Getting out of this mess. Wish me luck!
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Just walk away.
Don’t look back.
Keep moving forward.
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I ordered a meal – linguini pesto – and they gave me linguini with alfredo sauce…cold. I told em it was shit, and they didnt budge. I have to admit, that surprised me. They really stood by their shitty meal. I was about as assertive as one can be without yelling at them. Fuckin assholes.
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@abel
Should we really go back and read from day one? I’ve been reading backwards. From new to old. Do you think your blog is better absorbed from beginning to end?”
YES.
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The guy with the chump dad needs to realise that first and foremost, he is responsible for himself despite his dad being a beta extraordinaire.
If his dad can’t help him or show him the way, he must take action and responsibility and be his own man.
Reading this blog is a good start.
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“A 10% tip is nauseatingly dickless, not alpha.”
In that situation; my “tip” would be me telling the chick at the teller.
“Want a tip ? Get a better paying job!” Then throw her the money for the bill and walk out.
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I lived in Thailand for a few years, and bad service is to be expected. Also it’s considered horrible form to complain. The combination drives many expats batty.
After years a person does tend to go native, and acclimate. The “jai yen” (cool heart) attitude comes, and you learn to deal without making a big deal.
Tipping is not common here. The way bad service would be handled would be request a correction to the problem, not start any argument, and not return if the resolution was not satisfactory. After you’ve internalized the approach, it becomes a fine way to deal – don’t sweat the small stuff.
SE Asians are known to go berserk if they lose face. They are wild cards you don’t want to play with. They don’t fight fair, and you can find yourself being on the ground becoming crippled by mutilating kicks from a gang of people you never met. Over a slight. Jai yen is how that’s avoided.
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good post dude
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I wrote a few days ago that fathers and uncles who might know some game, don’t teach boys game because
1) They figure the boy has “split loyalties” and might spill the beans to the mother/aunts (or get all disillusioned).
2) They can’t legally observe the boys doing what they really need to do which is not just to connect with females but get them undressed.
I noted that the MINIMUM a father/uncle needs to do is to stop asking the boy how is grades or sports activities have gone and start asking the boy how many bras he’s gotten removed.
If you must watch professional sports with a boy in your family (which confers status to other men and causes young females to want to have sex with the athletes you’re watching instead of you and your ward), then you must let the boy know that what’s important is NOT on the scoreboard but the number of times the camera catches a panty shot from a cheerleader. That is the only score a teenage boy should care about.
And you need to turn to your boy and ask: “Why isn’t there a wench from your school in the kitchen making us sandwiches now? Cmon, boy, get with the program.”
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This article is 100% right, but some people have already said that a father who is too alfa will just abandon his children together with the women and be no good.
Perhaps this is a good time to finally clarify that a perfect man has both the alfa and beta in him and can bring out whatever is needed at the situation. It just turns out that in dating and marriage environment alfa is needed much more often than beta.
A man should be 90% alfa, but he should keep that 10% betaness to stick around the women who bears his children, especially sons, and help a little. Otherwise all the new generation will be parented only by single moms and betas and feminist utopia will come true.
His help however shouldn’t be anything modern society expects from a husband (not financial support and not dish-washing) but rather spending some quality time with children and teaching them things that only a man can teach them, while the mother prepares some dinner. Again he shouldn’t be too beta and spend too much time with children so that they would actually miss him when he is away (gaming children)
This also shouldn’t prohibit him to have some sex with other women, from time to time to keep his alfa inspiration on the level, while the mother has sex only with him. A difficult arrangement, but that is what a follower of game should spire to IMO.
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I am such a spoiled princess.
My dad would have looked at his watch, given us the look, thrown down to the table whatever the drinks (if we got them) cost, and we’d have left when the food was late.
My brothers would do the same. They don’t make scenes (but will shut them down when it comes to that). They just don’t take crap from people.
By the same, if they’re the ones doing the serving or cooking for an event, they’re the friendliest, especially towards old folks.
When a guy is a dad/husband/boyfriend, it can be difficult to keep a balance between Alpha and beta because you actually love your family. They’re more important to you than your own life. However, the way a guy has to run it is to make a situation wherein they others feel the same about him.
For that, one may have to do some being an ass, because if you don’t, people won’t respect you. For women, the seed of love is respect. It’s impossible for a woman, any woman, to love a man she does not respect.
Some women can get there on an intellectual basis, but most women, as most men, operate on at least a little fear. A woman should be literally afraid of angering or losing her man. “I will survive” is not the right attitude for a girlfriend. If your girlfriend has that attitude, you should definitely not make her a wife.
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Dish-washing on the part of the man now and then can easily send a woman a strong signal that she isn’t necessarily needed for anything. Displays of male independence can frighten a woman.
The stress should be on “now and then” of course. You want your women to be doing most of the cooking and dish washing (Americans have machine dish washers so it becomes a matter of loading and unloading as I remember).
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AM, one of my GF’s once asked what I think of her.
I replied: “Do I know you?”
She though it was hilarious, giggling all the way into bed.
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gorbachev:
Why didn’t your father try to end the relatioship between your sister and BIL? I could never tolerate that in my family. I would have disowned your sister and never let her back into the house. I won’t tolerate marrying outside of my race or homosexuality. No freak shows in my house, especially when its done to test my authority.
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Lemme guess, Mangina Dad, you were the only “guy” in Wimminz Studies class.
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Please… as if you statutory rapist scumbags know anything about fatherhood.
awwww….did somebody’s daughter’s cherry get popped over the weekend?
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Jerry, doing the dishes does not send that message.
If you do ANYTHING that the woman is expected to do, EVER, then she thinks you should do it more often. “It’s only fair you do half the work around the house”, is the most often justification.
The nice thing about doing the cookling yourself is that you know she isn’t poisoning your food.
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this reminds me of the movie ‘submarine’
the teenage son, albeit somewhat nerdy in character and submissive around his bolshy girlfriend, is at least man enough to stand up to the bullies in his school and is apalled to see his father allow his mother to flirt with and have a fling with an old flame – it has a comic undercurrent throughout but ultimately what you’re seeing is the son shaking off the shackles of betahood he could so easily have acquired from his beta father – well worth a watch, for anyone who hasn’t seen it
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Rule of thumb: only do the things around the house that you do better than she does. And make sure she knows that’s why.
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Great post.
Stand up for yourself.
“You can act like a man!” – Vito Corleone
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@senseiern
Not having the woman living with you (or maintaining a separate apartment) DOES send that message. 😉
My apartment is often in order regardless of whether a woman was around to make it that way.
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Update on that German dad cutting the balls off a 58 year old man: the 17 year old daughter, possibly in order to save her dad a long jail term, has just (5 months after the fact) claimed to the police that she was raped against her will by the older man. She said “He blackmailed me”.
The German papers are referring to him as her longstanding “boyfriend” however.
I’m wondering: why the delay in her declaration to the police, except for the obvious need to keep her father earning money out of jail and giving it to her.
A huge financial loss is looming for her family so one can expect she wouldn’t stand by the boyfriend who had his balls cut off by her father.
Anyone here from Germany who might know more details of this story?
If the young woman really had originally complained to her father that she was violently raped or blackmailed, that might explain the fathers’ rage more (and the participation of two as-yet unknown workers from the local factory). I think, however, that the father blackmailed the daughter to claim violent rape now so he’ll get a lesser sentence from the court on April 1st.
Note as well: The relatively new law “legalizing” prostitution in Germany (and its sister law in Italy), has a clause in it that makes it a felony to give any kind of financial remuneration to someone above the age of consent but below 18 if sex is involved. This effectively raises the age of consent to 18 in Germany and Italy as any man who isn’t a student or bum could easily be accused of having “given gifts” to a 17 year old to maintain a relationship.
Berlusconi is finding out, first hand, how the law legalizing prostitution was really a law to raise the age of consent to 18 in Italy (and Germany).
American men should thus be wary of any proposed Trojan Horse law to “legalize” prostitution in their state.
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One of your timeless posts (I’m a father, maybe I speak from self-interest). Boys mature to men by example and too many fathers today are sad examples of manhood.
At the end of the day, my 13-year-old son gets all the instant gratification and shallow bullshit from his friends and Facebook social circle that he needs. That’s not why I’m here as his father, not to amuse him. I’m the one he looks to for the shit that really matters. The unpleasant crap no one wants to deal with, definitely not Hollywood, not anybody. Being a good father is not glamorous but in the end, if your son can be proud of you as a male figure, you’ve done him and society a great favor.
The sushi father’s actions made me grimace but this is not an isolated example. It’s great the kid was able to articulate what is troubling him, he sees through the fog. That is the first step.
If more men took fatherhood seriously I think our world would change very quickly. Men gotta kick the feminized bullshit to the curb instead of humoring it and tiptoeing around it.
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More of the latest news from wacky Europe: A father killed his 15 year old daughter in an argument and a son, daughter and mother killed the father for wanting to watch soccer while they wanted to watch a religious program.
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on the topic of fatherhood– a review of the horrific “Tiger Mom” piece from a month or so ago– a very funny read. For the enjoyment of the board.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/irish-setter-dad_555534.html
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The German court will decide tomorrow if the father should go to jail for 3 years and pay 150,000 euros to the victim, or face a lesser sentence.
That money would be sorely missed by the daughter. The judge might completely dismiss her new (late) testimony.
It’s too bad the dynamic exists where you can be attacked by a father and then the daughter will turn against you to save the father and his money from the justice system.
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@ maurice
O’Rourke at his finest!
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I remember how alpha my father was when I was a little boy. Whenever he used to go to the strip club at night, he would always tell me he was going to church. I don’t remember how I figured out what he was doing, but I felt proud of my father for it. After he passed away, I found a photo album he kept. It was full of pictures of him with different chicks. I recognized some of these chicks as his “friends” I met when I was younger. Many of them were scantily clad, posed on his bed. He had that alpha smirk in all of these pictures. He was even peacocking, something I never remember him doing when I was younger.
When I feel sad, thinking about how weak my father was during his last days, I open up that photo album and remember what a shining example of masculinity he was.
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In defense of beta provider dads – we did the best we could with what we knew (and had been taught!) at the time. That said, it’s not to late to correct past mistakes and become the father that you never were to your children (and to their children as well). My dad didn’t make too many mistakes with us growing up, but he’s a terrific grandfather.
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Roissy,
This post is God’s work. Seriously.
I have a favor to ask:
I am a divorced father of two boys and two girls. I’m a Greater Beta/Lesser Alpha, whose divorce came about because once my ex bloated up and stopped putting out, I had an affair and was caught. No issues, I personally am much happier away from the frigid useless bitch, and living in NYC having a good time for the first time in years.
The boys I know what to do with, and what to teach them about Game. (Your reworking of the above scenario is what I have actually done in the past.) My worry is the girls. I would like the benefit of your insight on how to prepare pre-pubescent girls for the sexual marketplace through my behavior and actions. I would also like to prepare myself to deal with players that would prey on my daughters in their future, to project an anti-Game forcefield.
One factor already in my favor: I am physically intimidating, and have had numerous fistfights over my life (which I’ve thoroughly enjoyed). Now free of the nagging bitch, I plan to ramp up my physique. However, I know there’s a bit of a shelf life to that—we all get older, so I’m not solely relying on the physical threat. I need tools and techniques. Can you help?
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Steve,
Make sure that when she brings home a boy, you’re cleaning guns on the kitchen table. Look the punk up and down and say, “This the one you want me to shoot, dawlin?”
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If all your friends suck, and you hate all the girls you meet, there are two options.
a) meet new friends. meet new girls.
b) The common denominator is you. You suck. No matter how many new people you meet, you’ll still make the relationship suck.
Stop blaming your parents and sort yourself the fuck out.
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My wife handles my food in that she cooks me dinner almost every night. Does that mean I should be careful around her, and worry about offending her? Oh no oh no oh no. Mustn’t hurt precious’ feelings!
For fuck’s sake, people.
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Don’t assume that alpha dads produce alpha sons.
One of my college roommates was the son of a CEO of a Fortune 500. Dad was hard as nails, smart, cocky, aggressive, take-charge. The son was smart, polite, nice, charming, good-looking — and a total wimp.
Roommate grew up terrified of his dad. Anytime he disagreed and/or challenged dad, dad came down on him like a ton of bricks.
Youngest child was a girl. She was fearless. If dad bossed her around, she wasn’t afraid to tell him to go fuck himself.
Dad’s response? “Isn’t she great? Why can’t my son act like that?”
Because alpha dad didn’t have the balls to raise an alpha son. Maybe it’s because alpha sons can be threatening as hell.
I wonder of being a beta with game (meaning you’re self-aware, not natural) is how you raise an alpha son. You know what the son needs to learn.
As opposed to being a born alpha who goes thru doing what is so innate you can’t imagine it not being equally innate for your son. That a young son might need to be shown how (and encouraged, not punished) to be like dad.
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+1 at Steve T.
I am a 48 yo single dad, and have a 5 year old son and a 7 year old daughter, they both live with me.
I used to be 100% beta, until I discovered and embraced Game years ago.
I enjoy being a father and love to spend time with my children.
As Steve, I more or less have a clear picture as to what values I want to pass on to my son, but I have no idea yet as to what to do regarding my daughter.
@ Dad: I know enough about fatherhood to have raised 2 kids on my own since they where babies, they love me more than they love their mother.
Oh, and my 16 year old girlfriend also thinks I am awesome and loves me. Sue me.
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@Steve T
This father protecting daughter stuff is a standard “loophole” for condemning game and alphas on this blog.
I don’t call bullshit in your case as I think you’re legit, but it is a standard argument against game all the same.
Should men teach their boys to fear the neighborhood dads?
Hell no!
Should you teach your boys not to seduce the daughter of the ex-marine sergeant down the road?
I don’t think you want to be teaching them to fear other men like that.
The host is extremely negative about those who would condemn men for wanting sex with legal age females. He does need to speak out more on the supposed clash between “assertive fathers” and alphas who have an obligation to game legal age daughters regardless of how much a “threat” the father is.
Worrying too much about dads makes men betas by definition just as dads who worry too much about daughters at the expense of their own sex life are betas by definition. Don’t let your concern about your daughters having consensual sex after they come of age, cost you any great opportunities.
My experience is that Alphas with late-teen daughters almost always want to date the daughters’ acquaintances or women close to their daughters’ age. Those guys who have told me “I can’t ask her out, she’s 19 and that’s my daughters age” are invariably beta in other respects as well (theoretically, you can be alpha and prefer older women – I don’t understand that theory however).
Alphas tend to like each other. So there’s no clash in real life. You will rarely see an Alpha single father saying to a good friend or someone he admires “You’re cool but don’t touch my daughter or I’ll kill you”.
It is true, however, that there is an unwritten rule that Alphas don’t seduce the daughters of their Alpha friends with an intent to pump and dump.
I had a friend in New York tell me once that he was pissed that I stopped pursuing his 26 year old daughter without having done anything sexual with her on our first date. He was like “Who do you think you are? My daughter would have been perfect for you”. Then again, I was seriously beta back then. He apparently wouldn’t have been pissed if I’d been more alpha and given his daughter a few months of a solid relationship.
Of course, standard advice from this blog would tell you that you ought to teach your daughters not to get themselves pumped and dumped and instill in them the concept that they will only have a short period of being at their most attractive. The latter advice would mean you will probably want them to date and maybe marry before they turn 24.
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You will want the daughters to date enough high status or high IQ guys and then marry before 24. I would agree that fathers should be cleaning their guns if their daughters are being gamed by low status or low IQ guys who are using game to make up for a lack of real smarts and worldly status.
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OT:
For some good lolz, navigate over to Think Progress and read Yglesias’ post claiming that women leave engineering due to sexism in the workplace.
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Jerry, think of raising a daughter, and all the work and sacrifices that entails, as a two-decade-long investment. The return on that investment is her entering into a marriage with a wuality man and producing you grandchildren you’re proud of.
From that perspective you should understand the German/Russian father’s rage. All other issues aside (how did he raise her? does he hold her accountable too?), his cutting off the old alphas balls is akin to a homeowner who takes a shotgun and blows off the head of a home invader. It’s a man asserting his ownership over what’s his.
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Tyrone
gorbachev:
Why didn’t your father try to end the relatioship between your sister and BIL? I could never tolerate that in my family. I would have disowned your sister and never let her back into the house. I won’t tolerate marrying outside of my race or homosexuality. No freak shows in my house, especially when its done to test my authority.
My mother tried to end it. Desperately. She did it half the time by cajoling my father.
My father, being the serious man he is, was circumspect. He knew my sister wouldn’t be cavalier, so he gave the potential guy time to prove himself. It was made clear he had to prove himself. He did.
My father subscribes to stereotypes, but he likes people to be judged based on their character and worth; he knows too many losers with the right background and great guys with horrible backgrounds. That said, being black wasn’t a plus.
It worked out okay. Point is, my father kept my mother in line – her snide comments and half-hearted efforts to make good afterwards were both rebuked by my father – firmly.
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Outstanding post, Chateau. Until now, I haven’t seen that angle addressed here or anywhere else.
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This post is true. Especially the point about avoiding your mom.
My Life:
My dad is a super alpha.
My mom is also a strong-willed woman, who likes to be in control.
My mom never gets to be in control of my dad, because anything my dad says is un-debatable and is law. He is in control of everything, including both paycheques. She is only in control of laundry, cooking, cleaning and things that don’t matter.
Hence, my mom takes her batshit nature out on me.
GAME DOES WONDERS. I was not spoiled to begin with, but I was always the scapegoat in the family, and scolded for NOT doing anything THE WAY SHE WANTED IT it done.
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Look at me now, few months past, and after applying the advice on this blog
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The EXACT SAME THINGS I do are rather WELCOME AND HIGHLY APPRECIATED
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“Tiger Mom”
Typical weak spot for Asians. Africans are too creative and fail to achieve a complex continuity that exploits the creativity. Asians copy, better than anyone while killing any possibility of creativity(which of course would be exposed in drama and sport). When and if the white man kills himself, Blacks and Asians will need to reinvent the white man. Hopefully, they will breed out the white weakness of self loathing to get humanity moving again. To sum it up, there is not a fully functional human society on the planet.
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@PA
It comes down to whether the “old alpha” is a quality man or not. If he was a frail, diseased lowlife with a low IQ who really blackmailed her somehow, then I could see the rage.
If alpha genes exist, it would be a conundrum on whether a father would want alpha grandchildren or the grandchildren he would get from an upper beta (quality man) marrying his daughter. Or, as in the past before DNA testing, would the father be silently OK with the idea of his daughter marrying a great loyal beta after she’d been impregnated by a Special Forces Sergeant with an IQ of 160.
If one sees alpha genes as something one doesn’t want to see in grandchildren, then by all means keep the daughters safe, but wanting your daughter to have a happy marriage and wanting the genes of that husband are not necessarily the same thing. Or maybe they are and should be.
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I agree with the idea of acting “alpha” if that’s what attracts girls – and you want to attract that sort.
But extending it to being a pushy aggressive dick in certain situations is not optimal behavior.
You’re going to be a dick to people – a pretend alpha – until they’re fed up with it.
That’s why people got “fragged” in Vietnam. That’s why bullies never see the baseball bat coming. That’s how self-proclaimed “alphas” and tough guys spend their life fighting criminal charges and police – and generally being morons.
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I stumbled on the Manosphere a few weeks ago via a link to Dalrock. I’ve been reading there and here and most of the other blogs that you mutually link. While each blog has it’s own style, point of view and approach to the issues that feminism has inflicted on society, all of them to some extent make the mistake that is reflected in this post.
You conflate having “game” with being Alpha and lacking game with being Beta. There is also a tendency to conflate “game” with demanding or gaining respect when dealing with others.
It is difficult to imagine someone successfully employing ‘game” without having a good measure of self respect. But that it not how game is manifested in the various posts and comments here. Game, as presented here, is about manipulating those around you to get your ends for whatever purpose. There is nothing inherently wrong with manipulation. It is the ultimate goal of the manipulator that we tend to judge.
Alphaness is about getting laid on the alpha’s terms. Those who use game to manipulate women and to some extent other men with the goal of getting sexual satisfaction on the manipulators terms are equated with Alpha. Is game required to be Alpha, or is getting laid at lot by a given quality of women sufficient for the Alpha label?
Betaness refers to men who for whatever reason are unable or disinterested in the gaming women to get laid.
This particular post conflates a mans utter lack of self respect with betaness. They are very different. Consider a man like former General George C. Patton. As far as we know he was not a “player”. He was a faithful husband comfortably settled with one women. By the caricatures used here he would be a beta. Do we equate Patton with someone who lacked self respect and was unable to command it from others? I suspect not.
Self respect and the projection of that quality on the people and situations that we encounter does not require game. Game is a strategy and a set of tactics. It is not the only one. We can argue about the relative effectiveness of game in various situations compared to other approaches, but that is a different conversation.
There are numerous posts about “gaming” one’s wife or fiancee. If you have married or are about to marry someone whom you must manipulate to be shown respect, so be it. Recognize you made an unfortunate choice at the outset. Further mutual respect is critical to a happy marriage, it’s hard to see how that can be achieved with either spouse “gaming” the other.
Feminism has done real and serious damage to our society. The legal system is almost hopelessly unfair. Many young men and boys are not getting the lessons and training that they will need to be men later in life. I appreciate that this whole Alpha/Beta game discussion is largely about freeing these men to look and the crap they have been fed for years and gain balance in dealing with feminists. On reflection I guess it’s also about payback, so that they get the treatment they deserve, perhaps in an attempt to get them to see their own folly and deceit. These messages might reach a larger audience if terms were used more carefully.
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You “alphas” are going to do your pretend act to impress your date until someone much heftier and better weaponized than you blocks your way. What are you going to do then?
Just curious. What’s the game plan?
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JG,
“self-proclaimed “alphas” … spend their life fighting criminal charges and police”
Most don’t. Idiot.
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gggg,
You get in people’s faces and it’s going to come back to you. Not just from the police.
I’m absolutely sure of that.
Some of the descriptions above sound like cartoon characters.
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So anyway the waitress was late with my food.
I stood up as she trembled with fear and the beat the living shit out of her. I then beat the shit out of the manager who tried to come to her rescue as some kind of creepy White Knight. I then beat up all the police and quietly walked out with my date, confident in my manhood. My date almost had an orgasm right there because I was a Real Man.
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By the way, I’ll tell you where a lot of the true “alphas” are. They’re in state prisons. And I’m going by the true definition of alpha, like among dogs and other animals.
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Unmarried Man
“If more men took fatherhood seriously I think our world would change very quickly. Men gotta kick the feminized bullshit to the curb instead of humoring it and tiptoeing around it.”
Word. I’m married to a woman with a high-status job. She’s “conflicted” about it. I rule the house. Sometimes it’s a problem because my wife’s residual feminism gets in the way. We have sons. With sons, you have to build a fence to keep the feminist exertions away, and you have to be firm and dead serious about masculinization. My marriage is good because any resistance to this on her part doesn’t last beyond an expression or two that makes her feel like she’s done her duty to all sides of her personality. My oldest son is rapidly turning into a leader of his peers.
Hold the line. Women cannot raise Men by example.
Only you can.
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@ JG
There are plenty of ways to deal with an AMOG that leave him skulking away in embarrassing defeat, without ever using violence. Advanced game.
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Steve:
I would neg them fairly often to keep the girls in line. Tell them they look like a slut if they dress like one. Don’t mince words. Tell them stuff like the black men and like dresses like that. Take them to Walmart and show them what the casualties of slutty behavior look like. Give them a realistic made up story of how that woman with the three halfrican kids likely turned into a great white, tatooed single mother whale padding around Walmart in spandex pants. Make them live up to your expectations by being the type of man they really want for a husband. Realize they have animal natures and guide that nature. If she brings home a thug, dis him in her presence and take off that veneer of coolness in her eyes. Thugishness is not being alpha; alpha is above and beyond mere thugishness. Clint Eastwood’s character in Gran Torino comes to mind here.
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9. If all the above fail, consider physically moving away from these parasites. Friends, family, everyone. Gather your savings, quit your job, and move to a new city or even a new country.
a little extreme perhaps????????????
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@JG
I under stand that you need to break up your posts given the distraction of a tickler dildo jammed between your tattooed cheeks that spell out “Welcome Home Fabrice”; but, do try to get it all in one post.
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Jerry, there is no indication that the old man wanted to marry or have children with the German girl. If that were the case, I doubt the father woudl have castrated him. He was probably just banging her; no genes passed as presumably birth control was used.
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Rid youself of the toxic people in your life.
Not always easy. It took me getting to age 30 to even recognize who those people were.
And yes, some are your friends.
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Take them to Walmart and show them what the casualties of slutty behavior look like.
LOL! walmart and shopping malls with warn-down fat manless blondes and their thuglets does more for keeping the new generation of girls in line than all WN blogs put together.
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Charlie Manson got lots of people to follow him blindly – among them lots of young chicks – and to even kill for him when he ordered it on the thinnest of grounds.
THAT is an alpha male.
Ted Bundy took what he wanted – all the time charming the pants off them and charming the life out of them.
THAT is an alpha male.
Not some young guy that has no idea that people who could fuck him up real good are restraining themselves because he’s a young dope who is trying to impress a date.
Frankly, I really like most of what Roissy has to say. But he should stick to what impresses women and not branch out into the wide world of being a hard guy.
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Speaking of daughters and fathers who step up, check out Auster’s site for a story of a man in S.A. who killed his daughter’s gang-rapists. They also infected her with HIV.
He hunted them all down and killed them with an axe. All but one, who managed to escape and gave tearful account of the terror he says he will feel for the rest of his life.
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What does this post have to do with “game” or picking up birds? Roissy’s critique of feminism would be better served (and more comprehensive) if he unshackled it from seduction tips and went with a straightforward defense of manliness.
I suspect he will drift in a more realistic direction as he ages, but he’d present a more effective case by being conscious of the evolution.
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Manhood is more important to fathers – THAT is what must be developed.
Game is merely about sex. Raising a son is far more important to be relegated to seduction ruses.
Fathers must be men, not mimic them – for a night.
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@Firepower
Manhood is more important to fathers – THAT is what must be developed.
Game is merely about sex. Raising a son is far more important to be relegated to seduction ruses.
Fathers must be men, not mimic them – for a night.
Well said. That gets lost here a little too often. Game is a dead end unless you understand this fact.
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No JG, Charlie Manson and Ted Bundy would be sociopaths. You already littered this blog with complete bullshit as if being assertive, when one’s rights and dignity are violated, is beating the hell out everyone in sight. Most people made very reasonable responses and you made allusions that it was otherwise.
Alpha males are leaders and pro-creative, not nihilistic maniacs. When and if alpha males become violent, it is when they face a threat to their kingdom. If an alpha male does not know how many he banged and where, then it is adaptive to have a stake in the survival of the whole tribe, not how many bodies there are in the basement.
A man standing up for himself being compared to serial murder is typical of effeminate and hysterical exaggeration.
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jg,
But he should stick to what impresses women and not branch out into the wide world of being a hard guy.
at no point did he advocate violence against the restaurant staff.
being assertive, not letting others walk all over you, and being a good masculine role model for your son hardly makes you a ‘hard guy’, it just makes you a real man. and women get tingles for real men.
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@Jerry:
You claim to have spent a lot of time in Russia and most of your comments reflect a good understanding of their society. You don’t know shit about Russians in Germany though. Russians there feel a bit cut off from mainstream society there. They are the target of the only socially acceptable prejudice allowed in Germany. German cops go into Russian neighborhoods every Saturday night to beat heads for sport. Russians also fight back when the cops come to the neighborhood. The Russian mafia keeps a big presence in such neighborhoods. Most German men are scared to date Russian women because their brothers will come and beat your ass if they don’t like or accept you. They aren’t pussified like most German men have become. Turks will do the same as Russians.
Now imagine your likely fairly pretty daughter starts dating some German man who is 40 years older and likely a pimp. I say this because of his age and because of his lack of fear in doing what he did. As a minimum, he’s a pervert. These guys go trolling in such neighborhoods for future meat to put out on the block. I strongly suspect that is what is not being discussed here. Either way, he sees her as a fuck and chuck. I would have backed off out of respect for the father’s wishes alone. I can identify with that alone and it would have been enough for me to see the emotion in his eyes when he asked me to leave his daughter alone. I see it as a question of honor. Russian men still care about that. I’ve dated girls who were 19 when I was over 40 myself, and I found them to be too young to be around. I couldn’t stand a 17 year old girl in most cases. If he were a stand up guy and a potentially good future husband, then I might make a concession. Most likely that was not the case here. The German court is being lenient for a reason. They sympathize with the father. You didn’t change her diapers or take her to school or listen to her tell you she loved you when she was 5. Her father did. If you can’t see that he has an emotional and financial stake in his genetic investment, you are morally bankrupt, a free rider and scoundrel, and have no respect for men who are trying to be a good father. All your attitude does is enable the matriarchy and make the main duty of a father irrelevant.
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@ PA
Jerry, think of raising a daughter, and all the work and sacrifices that entails, as a two-decade-long investment. The return on that investment is her entering into a marriage with a wuality man and producing you grandchildren you’re proud of.
From that perspective you should understand the German/Russian father’s rage. All other issues aside (how did he raise her? does he hold her accountable too?), his cutting off the old alphas balls is akin to a homeowner who takes a shotgun and blows off the head of a home invader. It’s a man asserting his ownership over what’s his.
PA nails it out of the ball park. You are Polish and understand how the father here thinks. Eastern Europeans generally haven’t forgotten how to be men or what it means.
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Jerry and Tyrone,
This is very eloquent and I buy it. Needs to be said to some men more often. Beaten into them when necessary. Situational, of course.
Tyrone: The German court is being lenient for a reason. They sympathize with the father. You didn’t change her diapers or take her to school or listen to her tell you she loved you when she was 5. Her father did. If you can’t see that he has an emotional and financial stake in his genetic investment, you are morally bankrupt, a free rider and scoundrel, and have no respect for men who are trying to be a good father. All your attitude does is enable the matriarchy and make the main duty of a father irrelevant.
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Hello? Amused mastery dude. Never let them see you sweat. When waitresses get sassy with me I go all soul-sista on them, “Oh-no-you-di-int!”
That or I make a face like I just saw a kitten do something cute and go into flirt mode, you can always turn it around. They usually hook it up after that. My boss my last job was a ball busting jezebel bitch and I just flirted with her, made my life sooooo much easier. They can all be cracked homeboy.
The only dating advice the ole man ever gave me was this (and he’s never heard of game)
“Son, women are followers.” Watching him diffuse mom’s shit tests is so rad to watch.
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@Tyrone
Bullshit. I regularly sleep with the 18-21 year old daughters of East Europeans, Russians and Germans. Some of them are military alphas.
You’re just digging a hole here that, if unchallenged, would defeat the entire purpose of this blog.
All young women have fathers and the more alpha the father the less other alphas have to worry about him.
What you just wrote fits the way feminists and White Knighters would like the world to be. That German father is guaranteed beta White Knighter, unless the daughter really was raped violently, which I doubt.
One can tolerate RedEmperor and PA not being themselves interested in having sex with fertile young women and being granddads or older fathers who have mixed feelings about men gaming their “wards”.
Their “interests” don’t really coincide with the majority on this blog but they see the value of game in their marriages I guess.
But if you’re yet another guy whose sworn off sex with 18 year olds, we’re looking at this blog becoming troll city.
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Please, care about the daughters as well. If you do it right, they will look for somebody at least as alpha as you – and because they are pretty (from their mother, of course) and they know their place (because Dad won’t approve the “experimenting” in college), you can have wonderful grandchildren, too.
I believe this is how you change the world.
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@Tyrone
I just saw the post you made above that. No, it is the troll position on this blog to imply that a 40 year age difference makes a man a pervert, unless the guy is under 56 of course.
It is the position of this blog that it’s alpha to go for the biggest age difference possible above the age of consent.
It is beta to date women who are no longer at their most fertile.
There is no indication that the German 58 year old was any kind of pimp. The papers would have written about that if he was. Instead, the papers are saying the father committed a very cruel act on the young woman’s “boyfriend”.
German courts are always lenient on the hardest criminals so there is no indication, as yet, that they sympathize in any way with the father (who deserves to be castrated himself along with his two helpers – unless the victim really was a bad guy).
Fathers have zero right to get violent just because a man has no intention of marriage.
Again, I understand a man getting pissed if the man obviously has bad genes and is dating the daughter.
But I am sure the Chateau agrees that we men do not want ourselves to be violently opposed by fathers more and more as we get older.
That’s why the Chateau opposes feminism, whose primary drive is to send older men to sexual Siberia.
As alphas grow older, they will refuse to be cut out of the best young pussy.
Threats of violence won’t work. And such threats are the troll position here.
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And give me a fucking break about Polish fathers being more likely to get violent if you fuck their 18 year old daughters.
What a fucking load of bullshit. The opposite is the case.
American White Knighter fathers are the most dangerous because they’ve swallowed the feminist line that age difference is bad in relationships.
I’d be most concerned about doing the daughter of a Neoconservative American with a fat feminist wife his own age.
American manginas think men who date much younger women are “perverts”.
Polish and Russian men? They know that’s what men are built for. They know it’s in a man’s DNA to do that.
Let’s bury and forget the bizarre idea that feminized American men are somehow more tolerant of age difference relationships and that this non-existent situation would need to be fixed if it were true.
The definition of “feminized western male” is someone who has a problem with age difference relationships.
That would be against the interests of the Chateau and most guys here as they get older.
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@Itsme
“at no point did he advocate violence against the restaurant staff.”
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You can usually take advantage of restaurants and other public businesses in minor ways, but sooner or later Mr. Alpha Male is going to demand something or other, and the cashier or clerk is going to say, “No”. In fact, not just “no”, but “No – so why don’t you just go fuck off”.
What’s Mr. Alpha Male going to do? Muster further resources and rhetoric worthy of an insurance-company lawyer? Ask in a meaner way, but this time with clenched teeth?
Somehow I don’t think that the cartoon alpha males have thought this through. And it’s not just a matter of police – if one of you alpha males gets physical with a tort lawyer, you are going to find the true meaning of getting fucked (I mean past your attention span of 40 seconds).
I guess I’m Para-JG now because my last comment “awaited moderation” for a while. I’ll be generous and assume that a certain number of posts in a certain period of time gets you that status.
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@Jerry
“It is the position of this blog that it’s alpha to go for the biggest age difference possible above the age of consent.”
From one point of view, yes. However this assumes everything else is working like when stupid young girls were prevented from making their own decisions. The bigger the age gap, the more she is giving up. Letting 16 year olds decide for themselves, while pimp does his thing, has no historical equivalent. There was always Daddy’s authoritarianism in the picture. The easy measure is a 56 year old is usually not going to be the best case for survival of offspring which is what is setting off Daddy’s genes.
So that is to say, I think men should go after the best they can get above consent, but Daddy’s authoritarianism should be present which feminism has made toothless. Yet this is an issue with his daughter, not the guy. Bottom line: social SNAFU all around. The other bottom line is only one person out of all this can’t get his ball’s back. So in the end, Daddy is more wrong even if its all wrong.
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Who’s right, then? Tyrone or Jerry?
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@Jerry:
Give me a fucking break. You’re a sex tourist and trying to claim alpha status because of it. Kiev is full of ex-pat clowns like you and they tend to date the lahoudras who hang out in places like O’Brien’s Pub or the Irish Bar.
You have no idea about me or my past. Most people here would envy my life. I have lost any respect for you that I may have had. We obviously define alphas differently. Eventually, they man up or we devolve into a matriarchy and the associated chaos like America ghetto society. This blog is every bit about avoiding that fate for our country as much as about gaming women.
There’s a deeper side to this whole business. Men are reclaiming their masculinity. There is destructive masculinity and there is constructive masculinity. You are advocating a negative form of it and that gets the most limelight here. However, there is a certain sadness and regret I see here for the way things have become in the west. Society can’t function if every man thinks as you do. You are obviously spinning the rationalization hamster because most alphas I’ve known would shoot you for screwing their daughters.
If you think I’m a white knight loser, be my guest. I think you’re an immature pervert. Why stop at 16? 14 or 15 can breed too. Please. I personally came to respect the Ukrainian women I met and grew angry at men like you who go there and fuck and chuck the girls there, poisoning the well for everyone. I wouldn’t really feel that way about an AW because of how they’r raised and their entitlement complexes and selfish attitudes. I didn’t meet many Ukrainian women like that though. I know mercenary Slavonic women exist, but most were decent girls who wanted a good family life and husband. Your attitude just makes more mercenaries. Your attitude can be tolerated with American women who are stupid and shallow, but I didn’t meet many Ukrainian women like that.
I still happen to love and respect women who are worthy of it. Obviously you don’t. Women have an animal nature and it needs to be controlled, but they aren’t the universal chattel of men such as you. Troll position or not. My definition of Alpha is closer to Uncle Fred’s above. I don’t have kids, I have a much younger, very hot wife, and am financially secure. I have lived most of my adult life in Europe and own several properties there. I get sex 2-3 times a day and have a wife who adores me.
But you know what, I respect her father for the sacrifices he made and I don’t need chumps like you telling me I’m a loser for wanting to protect a hypothetical daughter from men who would obviously use her for little more than sex. Your attitude is the down side to this whole PUA business. Just because you haven’t met the Russian man who would beat your ass for using his daughter, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Caveat Emptor.
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@Tyrone,
I still happen to love and respect women who are worthy of it.
But you know what, I respect her father for the sacrifices he made and I don’t need chumps like you telling me I’m a loser for wanting to protect a hypothetical daughter from men who would obviously use her for little more than sex. Your attitude is the down side to this whole PUA business. Just because you haven’t met the Russian man who would beat your ass for using his daughter, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Caveat Emptor.
Damn, I like the cut of your jib.
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@Jerry:
There is no indication that the German 58 year old was any kind of pimp. The papers would have written about that if he was. Instead, the papers are saying the father committed a very cruel act on the young woman’s “boyfriend”.
How much German do you speak? Which papers do you read? Do you even know where Bielefeld is? The normal sentence for this kind of crime would be at least 7-10 years behind bars plus monetary compensation. 3 years is a light sentence for this kind of crime. German papers would not have mentioned the pimp connection for the same PC reasons they hide the race of minority criminals in the US. We don’t even know if the 57 year old man was a German or other foreigner. I grew up over there and have spent about 30 of my 49 years there. I have to tell Germans I’m an American and even then they won’t believe me. Don’t try to tell me you know more about Germany than I do, because I know its bullshit.
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Fucking great post. A point on Baby Boomer men, better known as Beta Boomers: Beta Boomers were the first generation of american men in which beta bitch behavior became close to the norm, rather than an abberation. Worse of all, through their parenting behavior, the betatization has been rapidly spreading across the country since, and getting much worse with every generation. A Beta Boomer dad is like your beta best friend – cool to have around but wont teach you shit about how to live life like a man. Thanks a lot Beta Boomers.
One can only hope that the good work being done here by Roissy and others elsewhere will pick up the slack.
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@Tyrone
You do have the troll position here. You are completely against what this blog stands for.
You put women on a pedestal and suggest their fathers should be responsible for their actions and not hold them accountable. An Alpha father would hold his daughter accountable for what she does while she’s living under his roof. Only White Knighters and Manginas would agree with feminists about punishing older men for dating younger women.
Only radical feminists and their sycophantic assholes call men “sex tourists”.
Why should I argue when the Chateau should be defending himself here?
You are a beta for getting married. Men can have children without doing that.
I don’t really believe you are having that much sex with the same woman over and over again.
This is not a Social Conservative blog.
Nothing about what the Chateau writes suggests that older alphas should ever have their balls cut off for just doing their job.
I’ve been tolerant of married betas pretending they’re alphas on this blog.
I’ve been tolerant of Gorbachev writing ridiculously long diatribes about being alpha for having one-itis for a woman who is well past her prime.
Ultimately, the Chateau needs to defend himself and bring this blog’s comment section alongside something at least barely resembling what he believes.
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@Chateau
You really do need to step in and deal with this long-brewing issue.
There are at least 4 regulars here who have zero interest in having sex with women under 25.
That’s fucking INSANE. It means you’ve garnered the wrong kind of regular despite consistently saying that its practically the definition of beta to not be interested in women under 25.
While I’ve been tolerant of this insanity for a long while, it’s too bad they’ve shown their true colors by directly saying that alphas need to be castrated and fathers need to be educated to feel the need to execute this needed measure.
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A note I have to make after reading your post:
this part
“Impossible? One weekend reading this blog and that father could have saved his son’s soul that day. He might even have saved his marriage, but judging by the description of the mother, I’m not sure he’d have wanted to once he figured out that game gave him the ability to date more women. And better women.”
you’re saying that the father would have been able to dodge this embarrassing situation by gaining some insights into the dynamics of the game. I don’t quite think so, in my opinion such beta behavior patterns like the one the father showed die slow, even if he may have a slight idea of what he should be doing (or at least how he should feel in such a situation) by meeting the tanktop chinese chick he was pretty much hardwired to act the same wussy self-humiliating way he has been acting for the last couple of decades. And that’s one of my main concerns about game: in my opinion there are two things out there, one is the intellectual idea of what you are doing, what you should be doing and the habitual reactions – which manifest themselves mainly in bodily sensations (in a betaboy situation tension, shaking, whatever) – and the later one definitely needs hard work – constant challenging and reshaping of those reactive patterns that keep one in the vicious deeply engraved circle of self-defeat. Therefore even if the father would have been aware of some game principles trying to act tough might have been awkward and somewhat embarrassing as well – indeed at a smaller degree.
What do you think about these two factors, do you agree?
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@Jerry
I dunno man, I think the under-25 thing is more a guideline than a fast rule. When I first got into the game I started with the late 20 somethings because it was easier and helped me develop the mindsets to go after the college chicks I really wanted.
Game is about choice and options. Maybe an older dude just doesn’t have the energy to deal with a 20 year old hottie’s constant shit-tests, in that case he may decide he’s happier with a girl who’s a bit older but more down to earth. I don’t think that makes him beta.
PS. Polish chicks = haaaaaawt. Russian chicks are kinda manly tho
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@Chi-Town
Yes. In the end, the responsibility is on the female for consenting and that is where a father should look if the female is living under his roof and he wants to regulate whom she dates.
This call to not “blame the male” is one of the cornerstones of the Men’s Rights Movement.
Meanwhile, traditional Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and other EE women don’t want betas anymore than American women do.
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Yeah, screw protecting your daughters like a White knight, beta chump!
Young women should be held accountable for their actions, unless we’re trying to bed them, in which case we don’t want them to be responsible, since all we want is sex.
The alpha thing to do is to sell them into prostitution as soon as they’re done developing sexually. Super alphas profit, remember?
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@ Sai
Dead on. If I were to guess, I’d say it takes an average of two years to develop really solid game, assuming you start off as a lesser beta. It also depends on your age and the effort you put into it.
Also, I think it’s a matter of baby steps. You don’t go straight from beta to alpha, I think you start by stripping away the betaness bit by bit and then when you have a clean, neutral slate, you can add on the alphaness. Old habits die hard, and many forces in society have vested interests in keeping you beta.
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I’ve long respected the 4 other regulars’ decisions to be married and “game” their wives or Gorbachev’s long, long essays on how its alpha to game a long term girlfriend who’s past her prime.
The problem, and this is a problem with the Republican Party in general, is when the “allies” turn around and don’t respect the decisions of other men to do legal things.
Here, they hijacked the concept of “alpha” to mean “protect your daughters from alphas”.
This fucked up anti-male way of thinking is why the GOP keeps losing in pendulum swings instead of permanently defeating the Democrats.
My main girlfriend is in her late 20s and she’s traditional and marriage minded. I was her first and I’m mostly faithful to her in terms of not having intercourse with the younger hotties I’ll date on the side (except for the very rare 9.5).
But I’ll defend any other man’s right to do something legal and fight attempts by those who want to shrink men’s rights, especially via irreversibly bloody vigilante “justice”,
@Stever
There’s zero logic in saying that anyone is arguing in favor of selling their daughters into prostitution.
Just respect older men dating younger women and there won’t be any argument.
Being older is not a genetic defect. It’s mostly only American men and the men of other feminized countries who do the bidding of the older women by condemning older men who date younger women.
No smart man over 35 should live in the USA or the UK precisely because of the hatred in the anglo culture for older men dating younger women.
I just hadn’t realized how much of this hate was actually residing in some readers and even regulars of this blog.
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The definition of White Knighter is having a problem with men dating younger women and wanting to see laws or violence applied to stop it.
The definition of Mangina is not wanting someone nubile yourself and condemning those who do.
The definitions are almost the same, but a White Knighter will be OK with being married to an attractive woman while condemning other men.
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And the “Blame the man to protect your legal age daughter from her own actions” bullshit is just a thin veil to cover up being a White Knighter, Mangina or both.
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@ Jerry
Still need to account for alpha behavior of the father. We can take the morals out of it and decide weather high investment strategy is a viable under the right conditions. It is in his interests not to have her prostituted out on the cheap. If I had a daughter, she would not be someone’s jizz bucket. That’s just the way it is.
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Jerry you don’t get it just like “knights” on the other side of the spectrum. You still take game/attraction at the logical level. When attraction to “alpha” was evolving there were no rules, likely even no humans. Back in those days whoever can literally cut your balls would do so and not even to avenge anything, but rather just to be the top dog himself. And likely before you’d get be 56, hahaha.
And yes, JB, that’s why many “real” alphas are in jail. And that’s just what makes women moist. Being good is not an alpha and being alpha in not being good. It’s a different category and was beaten to death here before.
On the topic, I had rather weird experience myself, but I’m with some posters here.. What you want now, a cookie? Yeah most parents suck at teaching this, but you know what to do, there’re tons of models, try sticking with it. Yeah it’s hard. But being beta sucks and is hard too. Now *is* the time to live, not dwell on lost past. Go fuck even a fatty, as long as she’s past boner threshold it’ll make you more happy and more “alpha” than 300 comments about it.
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If you want to send a message to the server, have him break a one dollar bill and leave one coin–quarter, nickel, whatever. It lets him know you’re not just some cheapskate, and that he sucks.
As far as the hostess goes, once she hits that final price, you can either walk, risking assault or cops, or pay the bill. (You can also ask for the manager. I’m assuming she was management.) But you don’t have to make that payment a cringing form of resignation. Pay the bill, and in a serious, controlled tone list your grievances and make it known that neither you or your friends and family will darken the doorway of such a shameful business. Hit the shameful part hard with the Asians. It should be clear, however, to everyone there that the only reason you’re giving her money is because the vagaries of the law compel you to do so.
As far as trying to bluff her into giving you a comp meal. Good luck, but when she doesn’t back down, you have to be ready to climb down or be ready to face the law–and is it really worth it? Really? Better to be the adult.
Yes, you’re still out the bill, but that’s life. We’ve all been there. If it’s any comfort, crappy restaurants just don’t have much of a lifespan these days. One good thing you can say about mass immigration is that you have a lot of other options when it comes time to chose another place to eat.
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@Chi-town
Still waiting for the Chateau to chime in on this.
The definition of alpha has nothing to do with keeping your daughter from being someone’s jizz bucket.
It seems this particular Chateau post was misunderstood.
It was about teaching male children to get laid by setting a good example
It was NOT about teaching men to cut the balls off those males, or any males.
This daughter loophole is logically only an excuse to argue against game and alphas.
One can teach one’s daughter to be responsible for her own actions.
You can teach her about game and how to avoid getting pumped and dumped.
You can and should keep her from getting impregnated with inferior genes.
But if you teach her to avoid older men, who might have superior genes, what you are is an AMERICAN (or other anglo) who’s attitude against older men jives well with what older women and feminists want.
Russian and Polish men don’t teach their daughters to avoid older men.
It’s mostly an anglo phenomenon.
That’s the problem.
Anglo men, even some on this blog, simply cannot get over their hatred of older men who might date younger women.
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To the people saying “Leave no tip”. No. That’s not good.
See, leaving no tip allows the waiter to think that maybe you just forgot.
Better to leave an insulting tip; somewhere around $0.10. That way, they know you remembered but actually decided that’s what they were worth.
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@Jerry
Well again, what is right and wrong here might find different contexts. Lets put it this way; a 40 year age gap is going to be a negative and most men will naturally advise against it all things being equal for their daughters. What’s the loop hole? Its all about the genes and a 40 year old age gap means a single mother pretty darn early or using up her prime years. Not many people are that special.
So here is the reproductive success argument. Older men yes, but well before becoming a stinking mound of daisy chow.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article2344049.ece
That bias is going to be bred into the society since the most efficient ones would come up on top.
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Polichinello, if you want to send a message, you should cut that passive-aggressive shit and give a message. You don’t have to go Joe Pesci on them, “my friend, I am not happy with this and that, our food was late, whatever” would do. And shut up. Let them qualify. Go from there. Unless they are actually rude after that, I’ll admit I’d be pussy enough not to walk out without paying the actual bill. But any pointers via tips, they don’t give that much shit, really.
@Anonymous 2 comments up – great insight bro! (yeah that was me)
Side note / future posts fodder – check out “shedding for the wedding” on TV. Almost makes me weep and laugh my ass off at the same time..
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funny, the wussy weakling dad in the original post at least tried to speak up and it didn’t work because he couldn’t do it right, but his heart was still in right place. While alphas here would leave a nickel as a tip and probably fake-smile at the waiter and the hostess on the way out. Eh?
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Agreed the $.10 tip is far better than leaving no tip, that said, I have a 1 year old son and he is already mimicking me. He has started gaming women and doing some of the same body language things that I do with women. I learned these same things from my dad. I’ll never forget the day that my dad and I were walking in a parking lot together and we got propositioned by a couple of women. My dad gets hit on all the time, by women 10 years his junior, I get hit on all the time, and my son is already learning from me and my dad. Looking back on it, if I hadn’t learned how to deal with women from watching my dad, I would be shit out of luck. I owe it to my son to teach him game, and more importantly, he is learning already.
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@ Timitz
being propositioned by ladies of the night =/= alpha status. It reminds me of the time one of my more clueless friends remarked that the women in las vegas were much more assertive than elsewhere. wonder why that is, hey?
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Gotta love Jerry calling on the propietor, “please tell them I’m right, please tell them I’m right”.
Very alpha man, you have me quivering at your jocular alpha status.
Alpha is an abstract category like “city”. Cities don’t exist in the real world, in the real world there are just clusters of people and buildings and institutions and infrastructure and at some rough point we stop calling them towns and start calling them cities. Alpha is not a club with rules of acceptance (I:e.: “you must game 18 yo’s or your a pooper beta”), it is a set of personal characteristics which, taken together, are attractive to women.
Being attractive to women requires as much about the man towards a mythical alpha society as a woman being attractive to men obligates her to a mythical association of beautiful ladies, which is to say Jerry: not a goddamn thing.
A man cares about his daughters and he happens to be alpha because women go tiggle all over him, you know what that means you can lecture him about for how he interprets caring for his daughters vis-a-vis his own value system because you in your almighty 90 fucking IQ points think that alpha is a club with a code requiring allegiance to ephebophilia and not a category of descriptions … well, nothing I or anyone else can say will likely get through your thick cranium, how bout you just stop begging blessing from the Roissy God and act on your convictions, just don’t come whining here if someone decides to castrate your beta jewels. Whiner.
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I had the opposite. I had a really gentle mother and a father who was so over the top in his advice that it was impossible to implement. His approach to this matter would be to suggest that you draw a pistol on the cashier.
He was so extreme that I took my mother’s approach as I grew up. It does not work!
There is a happy medium. I think that the boy is in real trouble. His father’s slapping him is crazy. The mother IS crazy.
My ex-wife cannot believe that my children (daughters) left her, live with me and will not speak to her at all. Even if you do so in a quiet and cordial way, you have to be prepared to say horrible things to horrible people. It is very hard in divorce situations, so the best you can do is to win. That often requires to be quiet in the face of provocation and does always require a witness.
When I was with my daughters, I had a waitress do exactly what you describe here. I complained to the manager from the table. If I had not, then they would have thought that I was a total fool. But slapping the boy is simply disgraceful. It reeks ultimate loser!
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Jerry is dead right as usual.
Too many maginae here use feminist cant words and feminist cant phrases like “creepy,” douchebag,” “pervert,” “sex tourist,” blah f’ing blah and it’s sickening.
There are a shitload of low-libido losers posting here and I don’t know why. If you don’t want to fuck the fine, tight, sweet young pussy, then why are you on a game board?
There’s nothing worse than some faggot “male” whining about “perverts” and jacking off about his daughter’s non-existent “honor” on a board like this.
We want to fuck your daughter in the ass.
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@Tyrone
Are you talking about the Ukraine on Planet Earth?
I think you’ve liked the way I’ve defended the reputation of “mail order brides” on this blog from Marxist attacks (attacks from the left) that say they aren’t responsible for their actions and need protection because they first need to become Americanized and achieve equal financial status before American men should be allowed to meet them.
It’s ironic, therefore, to be attacked from the “right” with an argument that they aren’t responsible for their own actions and need protection because they don’t need to become Americanized (a WN argument). Sure, they don’t need to be exposed to American feminism, but no exposure to American game which is tame compared to Slavic game?
There is no escape from hypergamy anywhere. Feminism is not its cause. Feminism just makes women overprice themselves and ignore reality.
Seriously, Tyrone, you talked about some kind of expat community in Kiev, but the US feminists have funded a huge anti-American organization in Kiev called FEMAN, which says exactly what you said above. FEMAN urges Ukrainian women to reject western men, especially Americans.
You wouldn’t care about that because you’ve taken the step of getting married and taking yourself off the market (like shooting yourself in the foot in that part of the world but I’ll respect that as long as the respect is mutual).
Like the feminists, you feel that male behavior brought on this kind of hatred (a few guys going to high priced expat bars with hookers?). You feel that, if only males had behaved properly there wouldn’t be a need to “fight back” and “warn women”. The reality, of course, is that this attitude is just a way of prostrating oneself before the needs of older women who don’t want you or other men your age straying.
The young women of the world don’t need protection from single American men, they need protection from the wrong kind of older American women telling them how to think and from older married and often impotent American guys like the ones who join “evangelical Christian missionary groups” who want to travel so they can put down and warn women about single American guys.
Sam Brownback, who is married to a hot Kansas woman in her 40s and having even hotter daughters, said in defending IMBRA on Vatican Radio in January 2007, “American men go to Eastern Europe because they want to be sex tourists. I urge all women from that region to reject them while we’ll background check them for you”.
The Chateau wrote a post about Brownback’s betrayal of American men.
It’s entirely the wrong attitude to imply that foreign women need to be protected from American men.
Married men shouldn’t come to this blog and say that single guys who want to have fun don’t respect women (lots of Chateau posts about this).
It’s the guys who get married who are devaluing, in advance, all the women they expect to meet going forward (most are devaluing themselves, figuring they are never again going to get someone decent so screw it, I’ll get a ball and chain).
Civilization got along just fine in times like the Victorian Era where nominally married men with options were able to have their concubines. The modern American concept of marriage is more akin to self-castration. No interns on the side for me? Stealth alimony if things don’t work out?
The “civilization will fall apart” argument is part of the desperate attempt by social conservatives, who want to regulate men’s sex lives more than most civilizations in history, to maintain their death grip on the Republican Party, which is thankfully loosening.
You should look to Russia to see what real conservative men think (which is to put zero blame on men for being heterosexual). That is why it was very ironic for you to pick that region as a place to pedestal women.
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Jerry, Jerry, you crack me up. Seriously dude, you are funny. So many things I could respond to. So What the hell, here you go:
Chateau You really do need to step in and deal with this long-brewing issue.
Not one thread goes by without you telling the editors of this fine blog what they should do or write about. Did you notice that you were never responded to? maybe they ignore your long but silly comments because you are a harmless oddball.
There are at least 4 regulars here who have zero interest in having sex with women under 25.
Stop for a sec and contemplate the full ridiculousness of your plaint. Read it again. Does the sheer inanity of what you wrote register with you? you are complaining to a blogger that for anonymous posters allegedly don’t like women under 25.
OK, no snark here now, just an honest reply. Dude — my dick did not fall off just because I’m married. I like girls under 25. Hell, sometimes an ovulating teen who walks past me at the gym will hit me with her scent. But that does not make me feel entitled to fucking them.
And for reasons of my own, I arranged my life in such a way that I do things other than trying to fuck girls under 25. It’s just not a prioroty for me. I’m content with flirting with young girls. Their bright eyes validate my psychological needs to be wanted by women, and good marital relations fulfills my other needs.
You do have the troll position here. You are completely against what this blog stands for.
Jerry, I like it when you tell Chateau what to do. It seriously amuses me. You also have a habit of crying to “daddy.” And for fuck’s sake, you’re a lot older than R. Stop hiding behind him.
Only radical feminists and their sycophantic assholes call men “sex tourists”.
If your self-descriptions are true, you are a sex tourist. Not that I take issue with that here. Xsplat, a very good commenter, is a sex tourist too, but he is at least honest about it and is not under some delusion that he’s on a high moral ground.
You are a beta for getting married.
Tyrone does not sound like a beta to me. Because of the self-evident coolness and intelligence he writes with, he’s one of the commenters I’m pretty sure is the read deal. I could also assure you than I am not a beta, but that’s neither here nor there.
And are you sure you’re an alpha? I don’t get that impression. Can we get a show of hands from anonymous female readers who think you sound like a hot guy?
There’s more, but I’ll leave it alone. Like the fact that philosophy is not your strong suit, insofar as your discourses on sexual ethics go.
But in a kinder note, you sound like a likeable guy, and in some ways your heart is in the right place, so think of my criticism as a way of telling you to chill out, because you are getting too much into these long pointless subjects.
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Profit is counted in the quality of grandchildren. The ballcutters assume a fling will lower the womans chances of making a high status dynasty.
Jerry is right that an older man can be the better choice for a dynasty. Or at least a fine choice. I also agree with him that having a fling with an older guy doesn’t rule out future dynasty for the girl in this day and age.
Humans are not universal in their sexual attitutes. Some of us have high socio-sexual scores, meaning we prefer serial monogamy, and are less interested in a girls sexual past. Some of us have low socio-sexual scores – lower than the average womans – meaning we prefer lifetime monogamy even more than do most women, and want the same values in our woman and are careful about the sexual past of the girl.
Those with low socio-sexual scores seem to view themselves as the only real humans – all others being trash or not worthy to impregnate their daughters.
Those with high scores tend to sneer at those with low scores as being uptight, square, and beta.
We are born with these innate predispositions and even understanding each other is a takes a huge stretch of empathy. A leap of imagination.
Agreement is impossible. The best we can hope for is understanding how the different sexual strategies work and try to briefly imagine how they feel.
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@Steve T
What you need to do for the girls is teach them to be feminine. That is what attracts men. Too many women today are fed the feminist bull so much that they are not appealing to any guy.
A woman who is attractive to many men can be selective because she has options. If she does not attract many guys, then she is going to more easily give her vagina away to any guy who shows the slightest interest.
Once she becomes the feminine beauty that men desire, and even while transforming into that, teach her that since she has something valuable, she should be diligent to only share it with a special guy.
Instilling that is going to be hard. But, how else are you going to keep her from being a sperm dump for every guy with game?
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“Once she becomes the feminine beauty that men desire, and even while transforming into that, teach her that since she has something valuable, she should be diligent to only share it with a special guy. ”
You can’t really teach these values. Women are born with them. Some will want to slut it up, some will want to settle down from the get go.
Any high school in any country with any culture will have it’s mix of girls with different sexual strategies. It’s not all down to the parents. Some girls are just like this, and some are just like that.
I’ve been making this point for years – that predispositions in females have both advantages and disadvantages. A girl with highly monogamous predispositions is not merely a product of culture and upbringing and does not merely possess fine self control, she is born into a whole set of traits that include novelty seeking, socio-sexuality, and libido. The madona is a different caste of female than the party girl.
You just might give birth to a party girl. You just might have no control over that.
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The bottom line is that alpha fathers from non-feminist countries often tell their daughters to marry an older man, often the same man that a feminized American neocon or socon would claim he’d mutilate.
No single man who looks like he’s over 35 should waste too much time in the parts of the US where his appearance as someone with life experience would mean automatic rejection by a woman’s family as undesirable.
Life is too short to deal with that negative bullshit.
No married man should help perpetuate the strongly ingrained American tradition of claiming his daughter’s best mating choice would be someone her own age, who may be more likely to dump her for a younger model ten years down the road.
I’d tell my daughter to “be the younger woman” so she’s not the one looking back at one with horror (obviously, a 40 year difference would be extreme unless he’s a billionaire).
But I guess it’s impossible to tell many American fathers that because the anglo culture has had this same-age thing too strongly ingrained for quite awhile. The last thing feminists want is for age difference relationships to go into vogue unless it’s the Cougar variety, in which case that’s just fine.
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This is OT but worth reading for all those concerned about where we are heading, the Western world, unless we wake up damn soon.
Betaness is leading us to hell.
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Speech Geert Wilders, Rome, 25 March 2011
The Failure of Multiculturalism and How to Turn the Tide: Signore e signori, ladies and gentlemen, dear friends of the Magna Carta Foundation, molte grazie. Thank you for inviting me to Rome. It is great to be here in this beautiful city which for many centuries was the capital and the centre of Europe’s Judeo-Christian culture.
Together with Jerusalem and Athens, Rome is the cradle of our Western civilization – the most advanced and superior civilization the world has ever known.
As Westerners, we share the same Judeo-Christian culture. I am from the Netherlands and you are from Italy. Our national cultures are branches of the same tree. We do not belong to multiple cultures, but to different branches of one single culture. This is why when we come to Rome, we all come home in a sense. We belong here, as we also belong in Athens and in Jerusalem.
It is important that we know where our roots are. If we lose them we become deracinated. We become men and women without a culture.
I am here today to talk about multiculturalism. This term has a number of different meanings. I use the term to refer to a specific political ideology. It advocates that all cultures are equal. If they are equal it follows that the state is not allowed to promote any specific cultural values as central and dominant. In other words: multiculturalism holds that the state should not promote a leitkultur, which immigrants have to accept if they want to live in our midst.
It is this ideology of cultural relativism which the German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently referred to when she said that multiculturalism has proved “an absolute failure.”
My friends, I dare say that we have known this all along. Indeed, the premise of the multiculturalist ideology is wrong. Cultures are not equal. They are different, because their roots are different. That is why the multiculturalists try to destroy our roots.
Rome is a very appropriate place to address these issues. There is an old saying which people of our Western culture are all familiar with. “When in Rome, do as the Romans do,” it says. This is an obvious truth: If you move somewhere, you must adapt to the laws and customs of the land.
The multicultural society has undermined this rule of common sense and decency. The multicultural society tells the newcomers who settle in our cities and villages: You are free to behave contrary to our norms and values. Because your norms and values are just as good, perhaps even better, than ours.
It is, indeed, appropriate to discuss these matters here in Rome, because the history of Rome also serves as a warning.
Will Durant, the famous 20th century American historian, wrote that “A great civilization cannot be destroyed from outside if it has not already destroyed itself from within.” This is exactly what happened here, in Rome, 16 centuries ago.
In the 5th century, the Roman Empire fell to the Germanic Barbarians. There is no doubt that the Roman civilization was far superior to that of the Barbarians. And yet, Rome fell. Rome fell because it had suffered a loss of belief in its own civilization. It had lost the will to stand up and fight for survival.
Rome did not fall overnight. Rome fell gradually. The Romans scarcely noticed what was happening. They did not perceive the immigration of the Barbarians as a threat until it was too late. For decades, Germanic Barbarians, attracted by the prosperity of the Empire, had been crossing the border.
At first, the attraction of the Empire on newcomers could be seen as a sign of the cultural, political and economic superiority of Rome. People came to find a better life which their own culture could not provide. But then, on December 31st in the year 406, the Rhine froze and tens of thousands of Germanic Barbarians, crossed the river, flooded the Empire and went on a rampage, destroying every city they passed. In 410, Rome was sacked.
The fall of Rome was a traumatic experience. Numerous books have been written about the cataclysmal event and Europeans were warned not to make the same mistake again. In 1899, in his book ‘The River War,’ Winston Churchill warned that Islam is threatening Europe in the same way as the Barbarians once threatened Rome. “Mohammedanism,” Churchill wrote – I quote – “is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. […] The civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” End of quote.
Churchill is right. However, if Europe falls, it will fall because, like ancient Rome, it no longer believes in the superiority of its own civilization. It will fall because it foolishly believes that all cultures are equal and that, consequently, there is no reason why we should fight for our own culture in order to preserve it.
This failure to defend our own culture has turned immigration into the most dangerous threat that can be used against the West. Multiculturalism has made us so tolerant that we tolerate the intolerant.
Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: Our opponents are keenly aware of our weakness. They realize that the pattern which led to the fall of Rome, is at play today in the West. They are keenly aware of the importance of Rome as a symbol of the West. Over and over again they hint at the fall of Rome. Rome is constantly on their minds.
• The former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said – I quote: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”.
• Yunis al-Astal, a Hamas cleric and member of the Palestinian Parliament said – I quote: “Very soon Rome will be conquered.”
• Ali Al-Faqir, the former Jordanian Minister of Religion, stated that – I quote: “Islam will conquer Rome.”
• Sheikh Muhammad al-Arifi, imam of the mosque of the Saudi Defence Academy, said – I quote: “We will control Rome and introduce Islam in it.”
Our opponents are hoping for an event that is akin to the freezing of the Rhine in 406, when thousands of immigrants will be given an easy opportunity to cross massively into the West.
• In a 1974 speech to the UN, the Algerian President Houari Boumédienne, said – I quote: “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” End of quote.
• Libyan dictator Kadhafi said, I quote: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent.” End of quote.
Our opponents are aiming for a repetition of the fall of Rome in the 5th century and want to use exactly the same methods. “The strategy of exporting human beings and having them breed in abundance is the simplest way to take possession of a territory,” warned the famous Italian author Oriana Fallaci.
However, the situation today could be worse than it was when the Roman Empire fell. The Germanic Barbarians who overran Rome were not driven by an ideology. After having sacked Rome, they eventually adopted the Judeo-Christian civilization of Rome. They destroyed Rome because they wanted its riches, but they realized and recognized that Roman civilization was superior to their own Barbaric culture.
Having destroyed Rome, the Germanic tribes eventually tried to rebuild it. In 800, the Frankish leader Charlemagne had himself crowned Roman Emperor. Three hundred years later, the Franks and the other Europeans would go on the Crusades in defence of their Christian culture. The Crusades were as Oriana Fallaci wrote – I quote – a “counter-offensive designed to stem Islamic expansionism in Europe.” Rome had fallen, but like a phoenix it had risen again.
Contrary to the Barbarians which confronted Rome, the followers of Muhammad are driven by an ideology which they want to impose on us.
Islam is a totalitarian ideology. Islamic Shariah law supervises every detail of life. Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to our values. Respect for people who think otherwise, the equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, respect for Christians, Jews, unbelievers and apostates, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization.
Europe is islamizing at a rapid pace. Many European cities have large islamic concentrations. In some neighbourhoods, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being trampled. We are confronted with headscarves and burqa’s, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. “In each one of our cities” says Oriana Fallaci, “there is a second city, a state within the state, a government within the government. A Muslim city, a city ruled by the Koran.” – End of quote.
Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The multiculturalist Left is facilitating islamization. Leftist multiculturalists are cheering for every new shariah bank, for every new islamic school, for every new mosque. Multiculturalists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.
Ladies and gentlemen, what is happening in Europe today has to some extent been deliberately planned.
In October 2009, Andrew Neather, the former advisor of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, confirmed that the British Government had deliberately organized mass immigration as part of a social engineering project. The Blair Government wanted to – I quote – “make the UK truly multicultural.” To achieve this end, 2.3 million foreigners were allowed to enter Britain between 2000 and 2009. Neather says this policy has “enriched” Britain.
Ordinary people, however, do not consider the decline of societal cohesion, the rise of crime, the transformation of their old neighborhoods into no-go zones, to be an “enrichment.”
Ordinary people are well aware that they are witnessing a population replacement phenomenon. Ordinary people feel attached to the civilization which their ancestors created. They do not want it to be replaced by a multicultural society where the values of the immigrants are considered as good as their own. It is not xenophobia or islamophobia to consider our Western culture as superior to other cultures – it is plain common sense.
Fortunately, we are still living in a democracy. The opinion of ordinary people still matters. I am the leader of the Dutch Party of Freedom which aims to halt the Islamization process and defend the traditional values and liberties in the Netherlands. The Party of Freedom is the fastest growing party in the Netherlands.
Because the message of my party is so important, I support initiatives to establish similar parties in other countries, such as Germany, France and the United Kingdom, where they do not yet exist. Last month, a poll in Britain showed that a staggering 48 percent of the British would consider supporting a non-fascist and non-violent party that vows to crack down on immigration and Islamic extremists and restrict the building of mosques. In October last year, I was in Berlin where I gave a keynote speech at a meeting of Die Freiheit, a newly established party led by René Stadtkewitz, a former Christian-Democrat. German polls indicate that such a party has a potential of 20 percent of the electorate.
My speech, in which I urged the Germans to stop feeling ashamed about their German identity drew a lot of media attention. Two weeks later, German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated that multiculturalism is “an absolute failure.” Horst Seehofer, the leader of the Bavarian Christian-Democrats, was even more outspoken. “Multiculturalism is dead,” he said.
Last month, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said: “We have been too concerned about the identity of the immigrant and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him.” – End of quote.
Five weeks ago, British Prime Minister David Cameron blamed multiculturalism for Islamic extremism. “We have allowed the weakening of our collective identity,” he said. “Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live […] apart from the mainstream.” – End of quote.
In his speech, David Cameron still makes a distinction between the Islamist ideology, which he calls extremist and dangerous, and Islam, which he says is peaceful religion. I do not share this view, and neither did Cameron’s great predecessor Winston Churchill. Stating that Islam is peaceful is a multiculturalist dogma which is contrary to the truth.
Politicians such as Merkel. Sarkozy and Cameron still do not seem to have understood what the problem really is.
Nevertheless, the fact that they feel compelled to distance themselves from multiculturalism is a clear indication that they realize they need to pay lip-service to what the majority of their populations have long understood. Namely that the massive influx of immigrants from Islamic countries is the most negative development that Europe has known in the past 50 years.
Yesterday, a prestigious poll in the Netherlands revealed that 50 percent of the Dutch are of the opinion that Islam and democracy are not compatible, while 42 percent think they are. Even two thirds of the voters of the Liberal Party and of the Christian-Democrat Party are convinced that Islam and democracy are not compatible.
This, then, is the political legacy of multiculturalism. While the parties of the Left have found themselves a new electorate, the establishment parties of the Right still harbour their belief that Islam is a religion of peace on a par with peaceful religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and others.
The problem with multiculturalism is a refusal to see reality. The reality that our civilization is superior, and the reality that Islam is a dangerous ideology.
Today, we are confronted with political unrest in the Arab countries. Autocratic regimes, such as that of Ben Ali in Tunisia, Mubarak in Egypt, Kadhafi in Libya, the Khalifa dynasty in Bahrain, and others, have been toppled or are under attack. The Arab peoples long for freedom. This is only natural. However, the ideology and culture of Islam is so deeply entrenched in these countries that real freedom is simply impossible. As long as Islam remains dominant there can be no real freedom.
Let us face reality. On March 8, the International Women’s Day, 300 women demonstrated on Cairo’s Tahrir Square in post-Mubarak Egypt. Within minutes, the women were charged by a group of bearded men, who beat them up and dragged them away. Some were even sexually assaulted. The police did not interfere. This is the new Egypt: On Monday, people demonstrate for freedom; on Tuesday, the same people beat up women because they, too, demand freedom.
I fear that in Islamic countries, democracy will not lead to real freedom. A survey by the American Pew Center found that 59 percent of Egyptians prefer democracy to any other form of government. However, 85 percent say that Islam’s influence on politics is good, 82 percent believe that adulterers should be stoned, 84 percent want the death penalty for apostates, and 77 percent say that thieves should be flogged or have their hands cut off.
Ronald Reagan was right when he called Kadhafi a “mad dog.” However, we should not harbor the illusion that there can be real freedom and real democracy in a country where Islam is dominant. There is no doubt that the results of the Pew survey in Egypt apply in Libya, too. It is not in our interest to bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power in Tripoli and install a khalifate in Libya.
Of course, the world has to stop Kadhafi from killing his own people. However, as UN Resolution 1973 stated last week, this is primarily the responsibility of – I quote – “in particular [the] States of the region.” End of quote. Why does a country like the Netherlands have to contribute six F16 fighter jets to enforce the arms embargo in Libya, while Saudi Arabia does not contribute a single plane from its fleet of nearly 300 fighter jets? Arabs are dying, but the Arab countries are shirking their responsibilities.
And one of the major threats of the current crisis is not even addressed by our leaders: How are we going to prevent that thousands of economic fugitives and fortune seekers cross the Mediterranean and arrive at place like Lampedusa? Now that Tunisia is liberated, young Tunisians should help to rebuild their country instead of leaving for Lampedusa. Europe cannot afford another influx of thousands of refugees.
Ladies and gentlemen, It is time to wake up. We need to confront reality and we need to speak the truth. The truth is that Islam is evil, and the reality is that Islam is a threat to us.
Before I continue I want to make clear, however, that I do not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people and the ideology, between Muslims and Islam. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.
Islam strives for world domination. The koran commands Muslims to exercise jihad and impose shariah law.
Telling the truth about immigration and warning that Islam might not be as benevolent as the ruling elite says, has been made a hate speech crime in several EU member states. As you probably know, I have been brought to court on charges of hate speech. That is the paradox of the multicultural society. It claims to be pluralistic, but allows only one point of view of world affairs, namely that all cultures are equal and that they are all good.
The fact that we are treated as criminals for telling the truth must not, however, deter us. The truth that Islam is evil has always been obvious to our ancestors. That is why they fought. It was very clear to them that our civilization was far superior to Islam.
It is not difficult to understand why our culture is far better than Islam. We Europeans, whether we be Christians, Jews, agnostics or atheists, believe in reason. We have always known that nothing good could be expected from Islam.
While our culture is rooted in Jerusalem, Athens and Rome, Islam’s roots are the desert and the brain of Muhammad. Our ancestors understood the consequences very well. The Koran, wrote the historian Theophanes, who lived in the second half of the 8th century, is based on hallucinations.
“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman,” the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II said in 1391, adding: “God is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonable is contrary to God’s nature.”
For 1,400 years, Westerners have been criticizing Islam and its founder because they recognized evil when they saw it. But then, suddenly, in the last decades of the past century, especially from the 1970s onwards, Western intellectuals stopped doing so.
The moral and cultural relativism of Marxism led the West’s political and intellectual elites to adopt a utopian belief in a universal brotherhood of mankind.
Multiculturalism is a culture of repudiation of Europe’s heritage and freedoms. It weakens the West day by day. It leads to the self-censorship of the media and academia, the collapse of the education system, the emasculation of the churches, the subversion of the nation-state, the break-down of our free society.
While today – at last – our leaders seem to realize what a disastrous failure multiculturalism has been, multiculturalism is not dead yet. More is needed to defeat multiculturalism than the simple proclamations that it has been an “absolute failure.” What is needed is that we turn the tide of Islamization.
There are a few things which we can do in this regard.
One thing which we should do is to oppose the introduction of Sharia or Islamic law in our countries. In about a dozen states in the United States, legislation is currently being introduced to prevent the introduction of Sharia. In early May, I will be traveling to the U.S. to express my support to these initiatives. We should consider similar measures in Europe.
Another thing which we should do is support Muslims who want to leave Islam. An International Women’s Day is useless in the Arab world if there is no International Leave Islam Day. I propose the introduction of such a day in which we can honor the courageous men and women who want to leave Islam. Perhaps we can pick a symbolic date for such a day and establish an annual prize for an individual who has turned his back on Islam or an organization which helps people to liberate themselves from Islam. It is very easy to become a Muslim. All one has to do is to pronounce the Shahada, the Islamic creed, which says – I quote “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” It should be equally easy to leave Islam by pronouncing a counter-Shahada, which says “I leave Islam and join humankind.”
A third measure to turn the tide of Islamization is to reemphasize the sovereignty of the nation-state. The peoples of the free world will only be able to fight back against Islam if they can rally around a flag with which they can identify. This flag, symbolizing pre-political loyalty, can only be the flag of our nation. In the West, our freedoms are embodied in our nation-states. This is why the multiculturalists are hostile to the nation-state and aim to destroy it.
National identity is an inclusive identity: It welcomes everyone, whatever his religion or race, who is willing to assimilate into a nation by sharing the fate and future of a people. It ties the individual to an inheritance, a tradition, a loyalty, and a culture.
I want to elaborate a bit on this since we are gathered here today in Rome. Again, it is appropriate that we are in Rome. In this city, in 1957, and – what an ironic coincidence – on this very day, the 25th of March, the Treaty of Rome was signed. This Treaty obliges the member states of the European Union to aim for “an ever closer union.”
Unfortunately, this union, like other multinational organizations, has become one of the vehicles for the promotion of multiculturalism. The EU has fallen in the hands of a multiculturalist elite who by undermining national sovereignty destroy the capacity of the peoples of Europe to democratically decide their own future.
The new government in my country, which is supported by my party, wants to restrict immigration. That is what our voters want. But we are confronted by the fact that our policies have to a large extent been outsourced to “Europe” and that our voters no longer have a direct say over their own future.
On account of international treaties, EU legislation prevails over national legislation and cannot be reversed by national parliaments. Indeed, in 2008, the European Court of Justice, the highest court in the EU, annulled both Irish and Danish immigration legislation. The Court stated that national law is subordinate to whatever is ruled on the European level. In March 2010, the European Court of Justice annulled Dutch legislation restricting family reunification for immigrants on welfare.
The ease with which Europe’s political elite conducts an immigration policy aimed at the deracination of Europe shows the insensitivity of this elite. It willingly sacrifices its own people to its political goal, without any consideration for the people involved.
Lower class blue-collar people have been driven from their neighborhoods. There is no respect for their democratic vote. On the contrary, people who do not agree with the multiculturalist schemes are considered to be racists and xenophobes, while the undefined offence of “racism and xenophobia” has been made central to all moral pronouncements by the European Union, the Council of Europe, the United Nations, and other supra-national organizations. This represents a systematic assault by the elite on the ordinary feelings of national loyalty.
In 2008, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe stated that the member-states must – I quote – “condemn and combat Islamophobia” and ensure “that school textbooks do not portray Islam as a hostile or threatening religion.” – end of quote.
In March 2010, the United Nations Human Rights Council passed a resolution criminalizing so-called “defamation of religions.” The resolution, authored by Pakistan, mentions only one religion by name: Islam. With its 57 member states the Organization of the Islamic Conference systematically uses its voting power in the UN to subvert the concept of freedom and human rights. In 1990, the OIC rejected the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and replaced it by the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, which states in articles 24 that – I quote – “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.” – end of quote.
This “human rights” charade has to stop if Western civilization wants to survive. Human rights exist for the protection of individuals, not religions and ideologies.
The EU’s aim, meanwhile, seems to be to destroy the old sovereign nations and replace them by new provincial identities, which are all clones of each other. Britanistan will not differ from Netherlandistan, nor Germanistan from Italiastan, or any other province of the European superstate in the making.
We must reclaim Europe. We can only do so by giving political power back to the nation-state. By defending the nation-states which we love, we defend our own identity. By defending our identity, we defend who we are and what we are against those who want to deracinate us. Against those who want to cut us from our roots, so that our culture withers away and dies.
My friends, Twenty years after the ordinary people, Europe’s mainstream conservative leaders, such as Merkel, Sarkozy and Cameron, have finally – better late than never – come to the obvious conclusion, namely that multiculturalism is a failure. However, they do not have a plan to remedy the situation.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for change. We must make haste. Time is running out. Ronald Reagan said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures in order to preserve our freedom:
First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. If we are free to speak, we will be able to tell people the truth and they will realize what is at stake.
Second, we will have to end cultural relativism. To the multiculturalists, we must proudly proclaim: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Only when we are convinced of that, we will be willing to fight for our own identity.
Third, we will have to stop Islamization. Because more Islam means less freedom. We must stop immigration from Islamic countries, we must expel criminal immigrants, we must forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe already. Immigrants must assimilate and adapt to our values: When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Fourth, we must restore the supremacy and sovereignty of the nation-state. Because we are citizens of these states, we can take pride in them. We love our nation because they are our home, because they are the legacy which our fathers bestowed on us and which we want to bestow on our children. We are not multiculturalists, we are patriots. And because we are patriots, we are willing to fight for freedom.
Let me end with a final – and a positive – remark: Though the situation is bad and multiculturalism is still predominant, we are in better shape than the Roman Empire was before its fall.
The Roman Empire was not a democracy. The Romans did not have freedom of speech. We are the free men of the West. We do not fight for an Empire, we fight for ourselves. We fight for our national republics. You fight for Italy, I fight for the Netherlands, others fight for France, Germany, Britain, Denmark or Spain. Together we stand. Together we represent the nations of Europe.
I am confident that if we can safeguard freedom of speech and democracy, our civilization will be able to survive. Europe will not fall. We, Europe’s patriots, will not allow it.
Thank you very much.
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This post’s heart is in the right place, I agree with the premise and the advice, but this example is utter crap.
Maybe cancel your order and leave. Maybe don’t leave a tip. Appeal to the professionalism of the manager.
But whining about poor customer service is firmly in the omega/female realm; it is what weak people do to pretend they have power and it can fail spectacularly. Pitching some sort of SWPL middle class entitlement complex hissy fit over customer service is contemptible and ugly to see. Try that shit in latin america or eastern europe or most of asia – really anywhere where they don’t coddle petulant overgrown children making bullshit temper tantrums because, god damn it, I’m not satisfied with the level of serivce – threaten not to pay and you will be getting your ass kicked by the kitchen staff or by the local police if you really push it. Real alpha.
Even here: was at MSP airport when there was a sudden, major storm – flights were cancelled and things were chaotic. A fat gay and a woman, both 40ish in the 1st class line decided they weren’t getting served fast enough. They psyched eachother up, started getting louder and louder to the point where they were shouting at the staff and banging on the counter. Airport police were called and the two were given a firm talking to. I suppose they could have continued and been taken to a holding cell, but they were smart enough to realize that they fucked up and, chagrinned and with their heads down, they went back and stood quietly in line. Real alpha.
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alpha traits are passed on from father to son and from brother to brother, uncle to nephew and cousin to cousin. Alphas tend to run in families because the behavioral traits are learned through observation, just how chimps do it. Distant isolated cousins may come from a family of lotharios but end up warcraft champs. Genetics play a role, but the trick is using alpha to maximize your genetic component… rich intelligent families have honed cocky funny game, dumb lower class families have machismo game…. The more older alpha relatives you hang with the better you will learn game by osmosis. Without any guidance, your game will be trial and error and take years to nail… when the easiest way to learn game is to ape daddy alpha.
Hang with the uncle who has been married 4 times to women half his age, pick a role model or ape asian alphas in movies. If I were asian I’d be into kung fu and have the bruce lee schtick down to a science… philisophy gaseous talk, same haircut, intense stare…. bring her back to your place and break boards. Cools asians smash bricks with high pitched screams.
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jg,
What’s Mr. Alpha Male going to do? Muster further resources and rhetoric worthy of an insurance-company lawyer? Ask in a meaner way, but this time with clenched teeth?
i’m guessing you’ve never worked in the service/retail industry? the clerk/cashier is the bottom rung of the ladder.
if you can’t get a worthwhile response from a server/cashier/hostess in 30 seconds or less, ask to speak to the manager.
if you remain calm but firm, and reasonable, you’ll find that they do tend to be understanding and will offer you some sort of compensation. this is especially true of chain restaurants/retailers.
it’s not just about what you say, but how you say it.
the father in this story was beta not because he didn’t go genghis khan on everyone, but because he couldn’t stand up for himself (and to a female, no less) when they received shitty service, and instead redirected his anger (albeit attenuated) towards his own son.
the ‘cartoon alphas’ you mention are just that – caricatures. really not meant to be taken too seriously.
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There’s no easy answer to the the alpha/beta conundrum.
If alphas happen to get more respect (an poontang) than the beta, does it really matter in the end? Betas get laid too, albeit with a lot more struggle. The bigger problem here is that 98% of people in this society only keep their brains between their legs. Everything they do, buy, watch, talk about, pursue, etc, comes down to getting sex. Do you really understand how much that kind of thinking drags down a civilization? We’ll take a look outside your window.
Hey, I love pussy too, but for chrissakes, there’s more to life than how many pussies your cock has entered. I’m married, we have good sex, I look at other women all the time and even flirt, but do you ever think about how much energy is spent on game and sex and being alpha? It’s full time work because we’re all swimming with sharks, unfortunately.
No wonder why we can’t solve any of the numerous pressing problems we have in this country. We’re fucking doomed.
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@TommyD
Solipsistic much?
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That pair could have been me and my father. It is a huge relief to me that I never had a son, and I picked a wife who was a good role model for a daughter.
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Someone left a link to an article in a comment on my blog. A quote from the article which is a perfect echo of my idea is;
“Being nonjudgemental of womens’ sexuality is an inherently attractive trait.”
Which is why guys with the purity gene suffer a deficit to their game.
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tyrone said:
I don’t have kids, I have a much younger, very hot wife,
but if you had a legal age daughter, you’d be opposed to her being with a much older man?
what age difference between your daughter and a man would be ok with you, and how does that age difference compare with the age difference between you and your much younger wife?
the only people who get upset at poisoned wells are the ones who want to drink from them.
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Another quote from Hitori about how overcoming ASD with your attitude, and how some guys give off signals that lead them to being in the “secret society”
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@xsplat
“Which is why guys with the purity gene suffer a deficit to their game.”
So do me that like nice tits.
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So do men that like nice tits.
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“Someone left a link to an article in a comment on my blog.”
X, that was me. Are you going to get around to reviewing it for me?
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Chi – are you trying to make sense?
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Ovid, I’ll have to let it sink in and re-read it a few times. The author does not seem to organize her thoughts very clearly. It will take me a while to get them organized in my head in a way that makes a whole well connected picture.
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@xsplat
If you cannot figure it out by now that female “purity” is an attractive quality by now, what could make sense to you? Give it the fuck up on the “theory”.
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Chi, why do you keep trying to argue with me about something that I’ve repeatedly and explicitly stated that I agree with?
You can’t seem to focus on my point, can you? Incapable of it, aren’t you?
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Chi, you make an error in thinking that all men share your sexual preferences.
Women have a DUAL system of attractiveness triggers.
This implies that there are TWO types of men.
It should be obvious to you that the men who select for lifetime monogamy have genes and traits that are at odds with the men for whom WOMEN select for, when they are not selecting for a lifetime mate.
There are two types of attractiveness triggers in women to match two types of men.
The genes that affect the socio-sexuality of men have already been documented.
You hate this because it makes your clean clear cut moral world relative. You can’t stand the relative values.
You want reality to be monolithic.
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Just don’t be gay.
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Not X-fuckhead. You have twice initiated talking about my delivery instead staying with the augment. I don’t understand you; as you so much as stated, no one else does either. Yet, I still didn’t start talking about your defective ass.
“Chi – are you trying to make sense?”
Is this how you make friends?
Back to the topic. Men like:
boobies
vaj
long shinny hair.
Why? Because it shows baby making potential.
Why do men like “purity”? Because she will only have your babies.
There is no “defective” gene. Its male adaptive, especially in high investment strategy.
Also related:
Youth?
Far more important in high investment strategy.
What compromised are made *anywhere* has not a thing to do with “defective”. If you don’t mind your girl being dick motel, the odds are someone else will have already checked in.
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@Xsplat
That quote about a “secret society” was cool but you can get a virgin or low-counter to drop her ASD that way as well.
Your point is or should be that a man must not telegraph to a relatively inexperienced woman that he wants her for this reason. I’m 86ing one woman who started a relationship last month with me bragging about being a virgin. I made the mistake of acting like this was a good thing and it was like her clothes were glued on after that. Big mistake on my part.
Question: In your part of the world, do the virgins and upper middle class low counters even talk to foreigners? I heard a rumor that, in some countries like Thailand or the Philippines, the high IQ women from the “better classes” don’t want to be seen with foreigners? That would suck if true.
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Chi, you are not capable of understanding my point. You keep insisting that we disagree that the tendency to lifetime monogamy is attractive to men on the whole. You refuse to accept that it is MORE attractive to some men, and LESS important to others.
Frankly I think you are quite stupid. It’s fun to put my ideas together, but I’m not doing it to make friends, and I don’t want to be friends with you, as you are plainly retarded.
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ASD. Anti slut defence. In order to seduce a woman, you need to get her to feel that you do not think that she is a slut.
If you already don’t think that she is a slut, it will be easier to get her to feel that she is not a slut.
While it may be beneficial to the man to select for monogamous women, there is a reason why not all men select in this way. Because WOMEN select for men who don’t select for monogamous women. Only roughly 40% of men have the purity gene. It is beneficial to these men, for the reason mentioned a billion and one times on this blog. The other 60% of men were not genetically overwhelmed over time by the purity gene men, because the advantage to the purity gene men is strictly a game theory stance – it is not and can not be conveyed universally to an entire population. Wherever there are a group of men who are pushing the culture towards lifetime monogamy, game theory insists that the opportunity will therefore arise for the rogue to carry genes that carry an evolutionary advantage. Women select for men who do not select for monogamy.
So there are competing games going on. There is an advantage in one direction, and a disadadvantage in another, to both games, to both strategies. Neither is “broken”. But in terms of SEDUCTION, not being concerned with purity carries a huge and obvious advantage in getting past the anti slut defence.
So in your example, playing up to her virginity cost you getting her panties off. In the game of seduction, caring about purity cost you opportunity.
In Thailand the hi-sos tend to not see westerners as a status option, but this is not a monolithic stance. Many hi-so girls love to fuck around for fun – it’s all a game to them and western cock is superior. The lower status thai girls tend to view any westerner as an improvement over any local they could get.
In Indonesia (where I am), westerners are seen as higher status by all, and movie and pop stars often marry a westerner.
In the Philippines westerners are commonly seen as a meal ticket. Girls will eat you alive professionally there, but even the virgins will usually jump at a chance of being with a westerner, if his status relative to her family is greater – and being a westerner this will more often be the case – sometimes hugely so. As by now people here should know, being a meal ticket of higher status causes love in females. You need to add game in order to maintain the respect that this initial value provides you.
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Understanding facts is a lost art in an infantilized society.
Stating them, dangerous.
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Satoshi Kanazawa found the girl version of Roissy (in the sense of her being honest). She’s a retired prostitute and hates feminists.
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/a-whore-in-the-bedroom/
“decades of lies and neofeminist propaganda that men and women are the same and that women should only accept sex when they desire it (and for no other reason) have done tremendous damage to the male-female dynamic; ignorant modern women not only feel that husbands should be satisfied with whatever sexual pickings their wives choose to dole out, however meager or restricted, but also refuse to understand that a starving man will seek food elsewhere if it isn’t available at home.”
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Yur crazy.
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splat,
Of course I am not capable of understanding a complete moron.
“You refuse to accept that it is MORE attractive to some men, and LESS important to others.”
You can’t find a single reference to that in any of my posts, which means you practice haruspicy up your own ass. Some men don’t care about big tits either. Some men don’t care about long legs. Some men chase chubbies. Does a preference for compromising on fat ass mean you are an ubermensch gamer? All you have done is point out that men compromise differently. The sky is blue.
You don’t have an insightful nuance. You don’t have an interesting point. You did initiate bellicosity. Anyone without chromosomal spaghettoni would anticipate the result.
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Chi, I am shocked that you’ve been reading this blog for so long and have not come to understand that women select for men who do not select for monogamy.
You keep harping back on the advantages to selecting for monogamy. No matter how many times I agree with you, you can’t help but think I’m disagreeing. You are not capable of even letting the thought enter your head that women select for men who do not select for monogamy.
You have some major cognitive dissonance going on in your head. Plus the angle of your blade is so dull that it is obtuse.
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i just started my own blog. would anyone be interested in reading my first two posts? one is my method of pulling younger girls. it is called Flavor Game.
http://www.ifsmassive.blogspot.com
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“Chi, I am shocked that you’ve been reading this blog for so long and have not come to understand that women select for men who do not select for monogamy.”
Nice try. When the hell did I ever talk about what women like? When did I ever talk about male monogamy? The discussion was over female “purity”.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that men prefer exclusive harems over their half an hour with a whore?
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The point is about? Wait a minute, aren’t you disagreeing with what I am writing? Therefore the point is whatever my point is.
I’ve never disagreed with you over your point. Why is it that I have to remind you of this in every single reply to you?
My point, which is rather insightful and has never been put so clearly on this blog, is that it is helpful to game to either not be concerned with purity or to act as if you are not.
Your point is already agreed with, so for the love of not being a total fool, stop repeating yourself. Can’t we just agree to agree? Either disagree with me or shut up. Don’t keep trying to disagree with what we agree on.
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@jerry:
I’ve been tolerant of married betas pretending they’re alphas on this blog.
I’ve been tolerant of Gorbachev writing ridiculously long diatribes about being alpha for having one-itis for a woman who is well past her prime.
Ultimately, the Chateau needs to defend himself and bring this blog’s comment section alongside something at least barely resembling what he believes.
I’m so ashamed.
You’re welcome to leave if all that bothers you. I don’t believe you have sex with all the young women you say you have sex with either. In fact, the very fact that you need an anonymous man’s approval tells me you’re a loser and at best an aspiring lecher. Please Roissy, make that evil Tyrone go away! Whaaaaaaa!!!!!
Even Mick Jagger and Keith Richards settled down eventually. The first time I went to Ukraine, I was treated like a rock star. Its pretty easy to get laid in small cities and towns there as a foreigner if you have any skills with women at all. I’m not impressed with your stories and I think msot of them are heavily embellished if not outright lies. Kharma’s a bitch.
This blog has become a conservative blog ever since it changed its name and format. I generally don’t post on the threads that involve pure game as the topic is juvenile after a certain point. As much as I like sex, there’s more to life than sex alone. Go start your own blog if you want to be the referent authority and don’t like the people who post here. Do you honestly think Chateau didn’t know this topic would lead to a discussion on fatherhood and its decline in society?
Your position is that an alpha father would let any lecherous man screw his daughter and get his blessing? Your logic is absurd as you seem to expect an alpha should act like a beta in that case or as a minimum not care about what happens to an investment in time, money, and emotion. That’s not much of an alpha in my opinion. Newsflash, people get emotional about their children!
I don’t think you have a clue about what Chateau thinks in reality. I can easily find numerous quotes of his lamenting the loss of fathers and the rules of a patriarchy. They are what attracted me to this blog in the first place. You project a lot.
The fact you are so keen on ignoring, is that men have conflicting responsibilities and drives in this case and that your thinking is ultimately detrimental to society and creates and maintains a matriarchy. There is no such thing as trouble free sex either. Even Casanova died of syphilis. A patriarchy without fathers is not a patriarchy. That is why you will lose in the long run and one day run into the man who won’t tolerate your shit. I hope he makes it painful too.
BTW, do you have a daughter? Can I try to game her and maybe bring some buddies along to pull a train, film it and put it on the Internet? We promise we’ll give her some smokes and a six pack of beer afterwards. I’m sure you wouldn’t mind because all women are just sluts and deserve it.
I have concluded that you have a personality disorder.
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unrelated:
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/965577–mallick-what-to-wear-for-slutwalk
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Off topic but still awesome.
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“My point, which is rather insightful and has never been put so clearly on this blog, is that it is helpful to game to either not be concerned with purity or to act as if you are not.”
Which proves my point that it is not a novelty, or a comprehensible insight. To achieve anything with a novelty, it has to be in fact a novelty, and must also be correct. No one discusses it because their is no insightful nuance. The sky is blue.
The reason why acting like purity is not a desirable trait is that it implies more latitude for her. You are giving up something in exchange for her advantage to roam. What is really going on is you might be getting a hotter piece of ass in exchange if its true.
If you believe it is some insight to feign this, then I have no idea what you get from this blog. Anyone who does not know women hate to be restricted in their sexual excess has never been around women. It behooves one to hide his preference while selecting for it on the sly in most cases. Its no different than boosting your apparent status. Sexual jealousy benefits the jealous at the expense of the other because it restricts their sexual opportunism. . Thus, its obvious that going up to women and saying you prefer virgins will not impress them.
It absolutely does not have an affect on a man’s game to prefer sexual exclusivity with her anymore than his preference for other aspects that will replicate his genes. Not wanting fatties also limits the sheer number of choices. So what? Take 3 fatties for every one chick worth banging then.
Obviously purity is much more pronounced in low investment environments. Even here there is very little pure pump and dump. Just being in the presence of a woman is time, and time is money.
“so for the love of not being a total fool, stop repeating yourself. Can’t we just agree to agree? Either disagree with me or shut up. Don’t keep trying to disagree with what we agree on.”
And on this matter, it is quite obvious what the problem has been all along. What kind of moron tries to reason with someone while poking them with a stick?
I am not trying to be reasonable because you have yet to be reasonable. I can parody your ridiculous diplomacy to “Lets make peace, dumbfuck?”
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Good point chi-town. Expecting a woman to be faithful to you is easily the biggest sacrifice she’ll be making to be with you.
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@Lara
Good point chi-town. Expecting a woman to be faithful to you is easily the biggest sacrifice she’ll be making to be with you.
When you love someone, its not a sacrifice to remain faithful to them. It is perfectly natural.
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Perhaps this is true sometimes. Certainly it’s in women’s favor to make men believe this.
There are many cases where the man believes his woman is in love, and she steps out. There are many cases where the woman also believes she is in love, and she steps out.
Women don’t love in the same way men do, or for the same reasons, and men tend to be naiive regarding their womans proclivity for non-monogamous sex. Saying that no truly in love woman would cheat is the no true Scottsman argument. There is no real predictive value in the concept.
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Polichinello, if you want to send a message, you should cut that passive-aggressive shit and give a message. You don’t have to go Joe Pesci on them, “my friend, I am not happy with this and that, our food was late, whatever” would do.
Yeah, that’s what I said.
Second paragraph.
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Lara,
If you are alpha, a woman joyfully gives you her fidelity. It is not a sacrifice.
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@Itsme:
I think you need to rethink your snarky response. The salient word here is marriage. And to be exact, I follow the rule of half my age plus 7. I can’t hold a conversation with women much younger than 25. If I were to have a daughter who sought to date a much older man, I would want to meet the man and then make a decision as to whether I would seek to drive him off or not. Simply making him look stupid in front of my daughter should be sufficient if I didn’t approve. With most of the wannabes on this blog, that shouldn’t be too difficult. Protecting one’s offspring from harm by external forces is a natural desire. It will reassert itself in time as an expression of the law as will the old school patriarchy. Enjoy the party while it lasts.
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@Xsplat:
how many of your women cheat on you and why?
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Ya, that’s cute Tyrone.
You are welcome to that being alpha secures monogamy. Personally I don’t believe there is ever any such guarantee.
Monogamy does happen. We can influence events in our favor. Can it be predicted?
That’s a matter of faith, isn’t it.
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Regarding protecting daughters versus gaming daughters, what we have here is a case of pure base instinct being represented as philosophy. What we have are two opposing camps trying to have a rational discussion over an innate base emotional stance that they have no control over.
But Tyrone, your threats and warnings are rather impotent, in the real world. Go ahead and threaten and warn and tell us to watch our backs – men like me don’t give a flying fuck and will fuck your daughter silly given the opportunity to make the opportunity.
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@Tyrone
The point I made on the age gaps never got out of mod. So I will need to sum it up here. Basically the optimal age gap for reproduction is a man older by 4-6 years considering the female. Thus with any invested father, I would predict active intervention well before a 40 year age gap. I expect this to happen as a natural consequence. Anyone who thinks a 20 year old daughter with a 60 year old fart will maximize his genes through his daughter is stuck with the usual argument by exception.
Low investment, as shown by the success of the African model over the European and Asian models in world domination, is clearly the way to go….Oops, I guess not. In other words, I don’t care how much of bang up artist you are, there is usually some concern for offspring.
So therefore, the alpha behavior in any society other than P & D, is going to be running off his old ass, unless he is the Roman Emperor.
Telling the old fart to fuck off is alpha.
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@Laura,
Whether he paid for it or not, your husband should have banged you raw doggie while eating that pizza off you back until your vapid little head fell off.
You should never have questioned the pizza or his rational. You should have looked at him in a seductive way and inquired “Hungry Fella?”
Him: I’m fucking starved .. and HORNY! Assume the position!
Afterward, when you’re cleaning yourself with pizza napkins, he should smack you in the head with the pizza box and go watch stolen movies in his man cave to which female presence is by invite only.
And Why The Fuck don’t you get your husband to read this site instead of you complaining on it about him being Beta? He could learn so much if he only knew how much you want to be dominated.
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“If you are alpha, a woman joyfully gives you her fidelity. It is not a sacrifice.”
It may be her joy to make her bid with her fidelity. She is willing to risk herself into his hands. Not hedging your bets is still a sacrifice.
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Regardless of which stance is ultimately True, being skeptical that a woman is ever safely monogamous no matter how much genuine woman-in-love syndrome she displays is the most pragmatic.
And dealing with women is ultimately about the pragmatics.
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Hey dudes, don’t be so hard on Lara, she just here for an upgrade. Right now she’s bedazzled by all the merchandise on display…
@Lara,
My advice to you is to make a play for one of the guys here, just do it – you know you want to!
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Hey Tyrone and PA, I’m curious, do you think that a real man would ask for the fathers permission to woo? And if the real man receives a no, would the real man comply?
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A lot of Women say: Me, Me, Me — it’s all about me.
Alphas (or at least those kidding themselves that they are) say: Me, Me, Me — it’s all about me.
At least supposedly Beta’s have some consideration for others and there are even (surprising but true) also a few women that have consideration and kindness towards others.
I can’t imagine any father wanting his daughter with most of you losers. If she’s of age and chooses that for herself — hopefully, she wouldn’t.
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“You don’t have to go Joe Pesci on them… ”
Like this in Casino:
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24/7, you’ve probably hit on something. Fathers would likely prefer their daughter marry a beta, rather than an alpha.
Women also often prefer the secure stable compliant beta for marriage.
But this is primarily a blog about pushing women’s attraction triggers – not about being an all around good and admirable person worthy of respect.
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I have a daughter. She told me once, “Dad, its hard for me to date because none of them measure up to you”.
That is how its done.
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I have a comment suggesting that complaints about customer service aren’t particularly alpha or masculine. It has been awaiting moderation since 10 am…..
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here is a thought, do most men in the 21’st century even know how to fight? I’m guessing that the ‘art of fighting’ has probably gone the same path as the ‘art of the oil change’. (thank god for mma increasing in popularity) Specifically that there are dudes that would openly say they would rather do dishes than change the oil on a car (or insert equivalent old school guy thing to do)
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xsplat,
One of the best pieces of advise in dating I ever received — being attacked to someone doesn’t mean that person is good for you. You will probably feel the most attraction for people that are in fact the worst for you.
Anyway, I’m lucky enough to have long lasting love with a great person who is still a 10 in my eyes after all these years. Wish everyone could be so lucky.
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But Tyrone, your threats and warnings are rather impotent, in the real world. Go ahead and threaten and warn and tell us to watch our backs – men like me don’t give a flying fuck and will fuck your daughter silly given the opportunity to make the opportunity.
I’m sure you would. And I would also act on my instinct and do all in my power to prevent it if given the chance. If you wouldn’t do the same for your own daughter, then I have also lost respect for you. You may reason well, but you obviously have no soul.
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Hey Tyrone and PA, I’m curious, do you think that a real man would ask for the fathers permission to woo? And if the real man receives a no, would the real man comply?
I have generally shown fathers the respect they were due. Is it an absolute, not in this day and age. You seem to think we’re virgins here. I think an honorable man would leave her alone if it really bothered the father. You define a real man as Paris. I define him as Hector.
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Tyrone
Wow. That answer surprised me.
Would it be possible to elaborate?
If I was into a girl chances are I’d consider her father less informed as to my own value to the girl than myself and her. I’d act in my own best interest, and assume that I was also the best interest for the woman. If I was way into the girl nothing would stop me from eloping – not even threat of violence.
I find it difficult to respect your respect. It seems so self effacing as to be plenty pussy.
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Tyrone, you sure have a strong respect for authority.
Did you know that of the five human moral traits, two of them are not universal, and are only held by roughly 40% of the population?
One of those two is a strong respect for authority.
As I don’t have that trait, it is difficult if not impossible for me to empathize. I don’t think it can be argued for rationally – as you either trust yourself or your “betters”. Personally in nearly all situations I am the one I trust. There is no higher authority to my decisions than myself, nearly always.
Your stance is utterly foreign to me, and slightly disgusting too.
Humans truly are a social system of castes – we are not built the same. I also believe that the castes try to sort each other out in the mating game – social conservatives mating with social conservatives, libs with libs, high-socio-sexuals with high-socio-sexuals, smart with smart, etc.
The divide between us is huge and innate.
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Comment to Tyrone in mod, placed in the comment section of this post http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/attitude-and-asd/#comment-3771
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Taking this off-topic
What’s a great (cruel) way to prank your gf on April Fools?
Saying “I found someone else…” is lame.
Any good ideas?
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Rox: “What’s a great (cruel) way to prank your gf on April Fools? Saying “I found someone else…” is lame. Any good ideas?”
Neg her that her best friend gives better head and she should beat that.
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Not meaning to be disrespectful to Lara, but I would NEVER disrespect my guy/husband by talking about him negatively to ANYONE even anonymously, especially without his knowledge cause he then can’t even defend himself.
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@What,
What, what… so do you consider your guy to be Alpha, or what inspires such fidelity in you – be explicit in your answer?
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That Guy
@What,
“What, what… so do you consider your guy to be Alpha, or what inspires such fidelity in you – be explicit in your answer?”
It’s not about alpha or beta. It’s human respect for each other. I love my guy and that’s just what I do. It’s only right and fair. It’s not that he has no faults, but I choose to keep it to myself. It’s between me and him and no one else. I would praise him loud and clear and I have here on many occasions , but just not negatively. It’s not who I am.
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If you have a daughter that is a solid 9-10 on a good day you will inevitably see these issues from many different angles. Mainly, you will want to see things turn out good for your kid. To that end, you would want her to be enabled to sort out shit from shinola. And nothing counts in this regards as much as the models of masculinity she has grown up around. So get that right.
Make sure she spends a lot of time on horse-back from the age of 4 at the latest. Make sure she gets all the lessons and the crazy rides she might need in order to start winning major competitions from 15-16 years on. Then she will go thru high school as a pro-circuit rider. The newspapers will notice. She will not be a fattie. Very likely, she will know stratospheric levels of status that has nothing to do with the drooling of dweeby guys her age.
This is very good.
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Rum,
I’ve a young daughter, who is exceptionally good looking, and know there will be trouble down the line, as she’s fearless, curious and a bit of a tomboy right now, and has the male 2D:4D ratio – all traits linked in adults to higher testosterone and sex drive.
I’m trying to inculcate appropriate (read: traditional) gender roles, but her mother now lives with a much older fawning, dweeb who lets my daughter away with everything, so that she has no respect for him at all. So every weekend I have to assert what being a father is, and get her to tow the line on stuff.
However, I’m not completely following your line of reasoning on horse riding, and what that has to do with the price of tea in China??
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That Guy
Nevermind.
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Rum,
Something you should know about girls and horses – from someone who grew up with many horses and many sisters.
There is a reason girls around 12 and up, just love their ponies! Riding ponies stimulates them sexually – due to the physical contact with the saddle, and more so if they are taking part in Gymkhana events like show jumping. Also anecdotally too much pony riding during the development years is supposed to spread the hips and give those girls wide asses – not that there’s anything wrong with that ?!
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Bad resturant service:
For the waitron: No tip.
For the cashier: Say nothing, pay the bill, never complain, never explain, never return.
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Harsh but true advice. Physically moving away from parasitic relationships can be a savior.
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@Jerry
Russian and Polish men don’t teach their daughters to avoid older men.
I can’t say for Polish men but this is certainly not true for Russians.
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That kids got moxy – I think he’ll make it to his destination. Great story Roissy, my dad would have never put up with that shit, but he would actively cheat on multiple 10’s. This was my early childhood, and it didn’t confuse me then. I knew he was missing something he got from them.
My dad, for being the badass he was, lost himself. He was a millionaire from hustling pool, but he let destructive women steal his alpha prowess. My mom robbed him of all of his money/soul, and the court RULED IN HER FUCKING FAVOR. I spent most of my life flip flopping from absolutely psychotic women(my sisters/mom), and my dad, who lost more and more of his firestorm of alphaness by the day.
I feel the pain in this kids heart – though my dad would never let a stranger walk on him, he would let women dominate his life by being more important then long term happyness. He dated 100’s of women (I every so often, will have a random 40-50 year old woman ask for my dad on facebook, and send my pictures of a son he hasn’t claimed. My last count was 13) but he could never truly love the keepers and he dated plenty.
I kid you not, he is literally dying from this now. He has cancer, and doesn’t want to live because he pushed all the women that would have loved him away. There’s far more extremes then this, but if you haven’t gathered by now Mr. Roissy – my life is extreme to say the very least.
You want to talk about urgency in this shit? In knowing game? How about this:
When you are dying on your deathbed, will you be happy or sad when you think of your lovelife?
Will your son get the girl, or will he die sad just like you?
Will your daughter be the kind of girl that gets the right guy for her and “get got”?
Learning from my dad’s mistakes I learned what not to do, learning from game, I learned what to do. Thanks Roissy.
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Heavy moderation today.
@Tyrone (sleeper troll)
Have the guts, coward, to call out the Chateau on his attitude about younger women, especially age of consent.
Call him out. Put @Chateau or @Roissy at the top of your comment and BE A MAN.
Take your lumps. Give your arrogant but mangina attitude straight to his face, not just me or ItsMe, Xsplat or any other real heterosexual male here.
What the fuck do you mean “I follow the RULE half my age plus 7”? Where in the Bible or the White Nationalist Rulebook (Turner Diaries?) does it say that?
Are you that much of a mangina follower of “authority” that you would structure your life on a rule that older women probably made up as a way to “limit the damage”?
And here’s something that really makes you a sleeper troll:
You say “Enjoy it while it lasts” because you and your White Nationalist buddies are going to be making new laws against dating younger women?
What the fuck? I thought White Nationalism was “just” about hating on blacks and Jewish people. Now its about hating on yourselves after you turn 30.
I assume a new AoC law in your state for starters, correct? After 6000 years of recorded history (200 years of white people living in your state), you and the older women around you have decided that “things have gone on long enough”
Elaborate please.
Who’s your choice for President? You think the socialcon authority-loving percentage in the GOP isn’t falling and being replaced by those who care about the Constitution and less government regulation of our lives?
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I wrote a reply to Jerry in which I answer many of his points and also smack him a bit for his inanities. Wrote it two days ago and re-sent it yesterday morning. It never posted. Just disappeared both times when I pressed “publish.” Fuck it.
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@PA
You didn’t have the guts to say the same thing to the Chateau where there is zero difference of opinion on such matters.
You married guys are serious betas.
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@PA
You’re crazy if you want to believe the fairy tale that Russian or even Polish men have a problem with their daughters dating older men.
The cowardly father in the castration case was apparently a member of the German White Nationalist crowd. The victim was white. Very few men who are attracted to women in the 18-25 range are going to be interested in having anything to do with that bunch of jokers.
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It must be impotence or loss of testosterone that makes manginas like PA and Tyrone get so upset that some people, especially the Chateau, are attracted to younger women and act on it.
That is what this blog is about. No need to troll here, especially year after year in PA’s case. I realize that the Chateau has praised PA for not changing diapers in his marriage, but seriously, that’s not alpha.
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Jerry, Jerry, you crack me up. Seriously dude, you are funny. So many things I could respond to. So what the hell, here you go:
Chateau You really do need to step in and deal with this long-brewing issue.
Not one day goes by without you telling the editors of this fine blog what they should do or write about. Did you notice that you are never responded to? maybe they ignore your long but silly comments because you are a harmless oddball.
There are at least 4 regulars here who have zero interest in having sex with women under 25.
Stop for a sec and contemplate the full ridiculousness of your plaint. Read it again. Does the sheer inanity of what you wrote register with you? Why are you complaining to a blogger that four anonymous posters allegedly don’t like women under 25?
You do have the troll position here. You are completely against what this blog stands for.
Jerry, I like it when you tell Chateau what to do. It seriously amuses me. You also have a habit of crying to “daddy.” For fuck’s sake, you’re a lot older than R. He’s not your daddy.
Only radical feminists and their sycophantic assholes call men “sex tourists”.
If your self-descriptions are true, you are a sex tourist. Xsplat, a very good commenter, is a sex tourist too, but he is at least honest about it and is not under some delusion that he’s on a high moral ground.
You are a beta for getting married.
Tyrone does not sound like a beta to me. Because of the self-evident coolness and intelligence he writes with, he’s one of the commenters I’m pretty sure is the real deal. I could also assure you than I am not a beta, but that’s neither here nor there.
By the way — are you sure you’re an alpha? I don’t get that impression. Can we get a show of hands from anonymous female readers who think you sound like a hot guy?
There’s more, but I’ll leave it alone. Like the fact that philosophy is not your strong suit, insofar as your discourses on sexual ethics go.
But in a kinder note, you sound like a likeable guy, and in some ways your heart is in the right place, so think of my criticism as a way of telling you to chill out, because you sound like you’re not quite right upstairs.
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It’s long been noted here that the White Nationalism movement has always been controlled by feminists, or at least the older women who run the show with their beta boy husbands in tow.
More than hatred of Jews and blacks, WNs hate age difference relationships.
Magda Goebbels and other Nazi women made sure they passed the Nuernberg Laws which gave the death penalty to German men who had sex with younger Slavic women. WNs at Stormfront were split in 2007 when arguing about IMBRA, however, meaning there are a few who still have balls.
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@PA
It’s dishonest to pretend the Chateau doesn’t completely agree with me and most others here on the subject of men preferring to date women AoC to 25. He writes this in every second post.
You’re gloating about the fact that he rarely interferes with arguments where his own ideals are attacked.
It’s his blog and he needs to defend his points. Neither I nor ItsMe nor XSplat or any other of dozens of men here really need to waste their time with married manginas who come here to lash out at other guys having fun.
It’s bogus to pretend that what’s said here is meant to impress any female readers. But I can tell that you’ve been writing with a mind to impress women, which doesn’t make sense here.
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@PA
Your claim to alpha fame is that you refused to change diapers after you took the beta step of getting married.
The term “sex tourist” is a White Knighter term used along with others that are mean to shame unmarried men.
It’s also indicative of an America-first attitude, common to White Nationalists who are then saying that a man who has sex with women who are not American must be a “sex tourist,” as if life outside the USA is “tourism”.
You’re a disgrace to your native Poland.
In fact, you don’t want to go back for a reason. You don’t like your homeland.
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@PA
Also, you know you are a coward for not challenging the host of this blog on exactly the points you’ve occasionally challenged me.
You need to tell the host directly how you feel about him dating younger women.
You and I only had one argument before (besides the the case of the German coward using two friends to castrate another man).
That was when you totally disagreed with the post the host made about IMBRA:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/
Admittedly, you stopped arguing when I showed you that the host agreed with me about IMBRA.
But I was doing well enough on my own.
I just didn’t need to waste a weekend dealing with your lack of testosterone in terms of dating younger women.
So be honest and not a coward. Tell the host exactly how you feel about each post he makes you disagree with, which would be most if you’re honest.
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Jerry,
Having a wife that loves you is a good indication of a man being alpha since his wife is going to know him very well.
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@PA
It is true that the Chateau has so-far refused to post about these topics that I asked him to discuss a few days ago:
1) Berlusconi’s upcoming trial
2) Assanges extradition to Sweden (followup post needed)
But, considering that everyone knows what his attitude is about both cases, a few days delay is hardly an indication that he doesn’t respect my concept of what would be a good topic to discuss.
As the feminists move to criminalize Berlusconi for being with some total babes, don’t count on the Chateau supposedly “dissing me” by not posting about it.
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@Lara
Sure, OK, let’s say the definition of alpha does include getting married and being monogamous (ouch, that was hard to write) but this is not a forum for social conservatives who obviously want every man married “for the good of civilization” and no men out having fun (at least past the age of 30).
PA is a social conservative with white nationalist proclivities. He and Tyrone were part of a Jew hating contingent of WNs most of whom have fled this blog because, and I will say it again, the host doesn’t agree with their world view that it’s best for men not to have sex with younger women.
I’ve gotten along well with them except their sudden support for a man cutting off another man’s balls has caused a flame war.
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@Lara
Having two girlfriends who love you is a better indication. 😉
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I wonder how many guys learn their main game technique from their fathers–directly or by example. I can’t imagine the number is too large.
That’s like learning about vaginal exams from your mom.
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Jerry, if what I wrote stings, then maybe that’s the perspective you needed. Think of me as the guy who smacks you on the head for acting dorky. That’s how we correct one another, going back to schoolyard days. You’re welcome.
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Having two girlfriends who love you is a better indication. 😉
An implausible assertion, based on the personality you project.
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@PA
You are a coward for not telling the Chateau you disagree with him about dating women AoC to 25.
Take it directly to him.
Also, you haven’t argued with me in a long while because you lost the last time (about IMBRA).
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@PA
I haven’t considered you a coward for not arguing with me in a long while.
You’ve just been smart not to.
Again, and it’s not “crying to daddy”, you’re attitude about men dating younger women is in complete opposition to the host of this blog.
You just don’t have the guts to square with him on it.
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Jerry:
– at what point did I disagree with any normal man about the appeal or dateability of young women? You don’t even have the faintest idea of what yo and I are disagreeing on.
– why do you keep crying to the Chateau? you sound like the wierdo Jim Carrey character in Cable Guy, who thinks he’s best friends with this blogger.
– You lack the self awareness to realize you’ve throroughly tooled by me and other commenters.
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For newcomers, when feminists attack on this blog, guys who are tired of arguing the same old points always say something like “read the archives. Your point has been refuted 1000 times by the blogger.”
To this the feminists always reply “Don’t cry to daddy”.
This is dishonest because there’s nothing wrong with referring to material the blogger has written many times over.
The strategy they’re using is that they think they can win by saturating the Internet and comment boards with their point of view and daring blog readers to defend what the blogger should be defending himself while moderating the comments.
Social Conservatives do the same thing as feminists. They think the same way.
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@PA
Don’t back away from your position coward.
You are a White Nationalist social conservative who strongly supports raising the age of consent and you support the German coward who used two friends to hold an alpha down to castrate him because he had the ability to sleep with a legal 17 year old at age 56.
You’ve tooled nobody and don’t go crying to the feminist troll who sometimes attacks me or you’re White Nationalist friends like Tyrone (who only revealed his manginahood this past few days).
The host of this blog really does need to defend himself when the feminists or White Nationalists condemn age difference relationships. That’s not crying to daddy. It’s common sense. It’s his blog.
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@PA
The German father was a skinny little thing who needed the other two cowards to help him commit that gruesome act.
He and you and Tyrone seriously envy men who are still free and who have sex with women under 25, because (and you’ve said this before) those days are gone for all of you.
This is the drive behind social conservative “males”.
Today you’ve mainly wanted to run interference for Tyrone via an attempted character assassination.
That will make you feel better for a few minutes while you contemplate the rest of your life without decent pussy.
When was the last time you had sex with someone under 30?
How about someone under 35?
It’s over for you and you don’t like it one bit.
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Three things can change him –
1. Broccoli.
2. Heavy strength training with multi-join lifts IE deadlift/squat
3. ZMA supplement
All three are the best legal ways to naturally increase testosterone production in the body. Quite simple hormonal imbalance – healthy men with normal to high T levels are alpha, beta men have lower T levels and higher estrogen. Pretty simple really.
@ Roissy – do a study/post on testosterone and game – its all chemicals baby
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That guy
Riding changes the shape/widens the pelvis? Not in my experience. More like the opposite. Muscle tone and all that.
Unless, I suppose, a person shopped for both saddles and genes at the local Walmart.
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This post focuses a lot on father-son relations. I’d say it’s also extremely important for a father to be very strict with his daughter – the way she dresses, how she behaves, etc. Particularly if she’s beautiful, it’s important to somewhat deflate her sense of her own looks while also boosting her self-esteem in a way that she’s not entitled but also not a doormat for abusive men in the future.
I think so much a girl’s foundation is in how her father treats her. It’s a shame because today a lot of fathers don’t have a strong hand in their daughters’ lives. Girls are molded into great women by strong, “alpha” men. Mothers can empathize and advise, but a man is there to mold. His role is critical so this post is right on point.
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tyrone,
If I were to have a daughter who sought to date a much older man, I would want to meet the man and then make a decision as to whether I would seek to drive him off or not.
would you ‘screen’ guys around the same age as your daughter who wanted to date her the same way?
It will reassert itself in time as an expression of the law as will the old school patriarchy
you mean raising the age of consent and imposing age difference limits on top of that? it’s already starting to happen, except it’s not part of a re-emergent patriarchy, it’s part of the feminist movement.
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@Jerry
Shut the fuck up faggot.
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@Dat_Truth_Hurts
And you’re another little mangina who has no real reason to be reading about game.
What were we arguing about last week where you took the feminist position and where you only needed to read the archives to school yourself on?
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Any married man who has to read a blog about game for years on end to know how to maintain a wife’s love, has to be one of the weakest betas around.
This blog is mostly about getting laid with new women all the time. It’s not a family values center. Check the archives.
It’s also not really a White Nationalist center just because the editor doesn’t like the soft genocide that’s going on in the US now and comments once per month about it with a sentence.
Meanwhile for @Tyrone and @PA because your main agenda for coming here is to promote an increase in age of consent laws:
Go to the Hank Moody post and comment directly to the host, not to me, on how much you disagree with it:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/hank-moody-chump/
Do that cowards. Do it now.
Any and every comment you will ever have in the future about the age of consent, address it to the host.
If you dare. I know you don’t have the guts however.
You maintain the feminist position on that.
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“would you ‘screen’ guys around the same age as your daughter who wanted to date her the same way?”
Fuck yeah.
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Regarding the active participation of supposedly conservative “males” in helping the feminists carry water. here is a quote from a post on this blog regarding the IMBRA law (forced background checks of American men who wish to correspond with a foreign woman on a dating site that contains less than 50% American women):
@PA spent an entire day arguing with me against the Chateau’s position thinking it was just my position and I was some weirdo.
He shut up when I finally said “OK, here’s the Chateau’s position” and posted the link.
That’s why PA gets frustrated when I say “Just ask the Chateau what he thinks on the matter.”
PA’s White Nationalist ideology had told him to say that only losers would choose not to date and marry American women.
Hard core feminists would laud PA for his position on that as well as his recent position on the castration of males who fuck legal age teens.
We don’t need toolboy allies of the feminists on this blog carrying water for them.
*Regarding the IMBRA post, the irony is that the law is ostensibly only hampering the beta boys who want to get married, something social conservatives were supposed to want to do (it actually hampers everyone, however, for many reasons).
And IMBRA could have stopped Tyrone from meeting his foreign wife. Nobody ever said the socialcons were all that bright.
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Rum,
LOL on Walmart.
Horseback riding* done properly will strengthen the back and thighs particularly, and makes for good posture and deportment in that regard. But if you put a girl as young as 4 on a pony, and she does extensive riding, you will in fact spread her pelvis somewhat – I’m not talking about a huge effect here though.
* On the other hand, most Americans can’t ride properly, and I never see people executing a “Posting” Trot over here – http://www.equusite.com/articles/basics/basicsGaits.shtml
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Two more points:
1) There actually is good reason to complain that at least half a dozen ostensibly male regulars here claim not to have had sex with a woman under 25 in more than a decade and don’t WANT to.
That makes for a lot of verbiage about how to keep an older woman who’s supposed to be already in love.
2) PA was making an inside reference above to some arguments I’ve had with a known feminist from the left. By implying that I supposedly lost those arguments and saying I “cried to daddy” when I showed the feminist where and how the host doesn’t share his/her point of view, PA has just directly stated that he agreed with the feminist during the arguments.
That’s not surprising when one understands the socon wing of the US Repubilcan Party.
@CR – Did then Senator Brownback ask you to edit out a paragraph on the IMBRA post where I thought you specifically took him to task as a traitor?
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@Gorby.
You’re ready to leave the nest, brother. You’re posts are readable – engaging, fit for male nourishment and edification.
I’d subscribe.
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Breaking News
In Germany, the court has called for a psychiatrist to investigate the mental health of the skinny little coward who used two helpers to castrate a 56 year old white family man who’d been doing his legal aged daughter on the side. The daughter might take her new rape accusations back because they’re obviously late fake rape accusations done to save her father from more prison time and money loss. She’s consulting with her lawyer now on this.
The decision is delayed for 2 weeks.
The three year prison sentence is the MINIMUM this guy will get. He’ll be paying the civil fine for the rest of his life. If it turns out he was just mad at the age difference, this was NOT the alpha response.
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@Jalapeno
Feminists always use this line when they know the proprietor is in agreement with the guy they argue with.
The Chateau just did tell him I’m right in the latest post.
If you read it carefully, it makes it very clear that men who get married face decades of no sex.
It’s just that low libido manginas like you don’t care about sex…at least not with women under 25.
No, alpha membership isn’t decided on just on whether someone wants to fuck an 18 year old or not (it probably is decided when one succeeds often enough however).
But not wanting to is a leading indicator that you’re an omega, not even a beta.
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Jerry, I’d go harder on you except that I really do get a feeling that there’s somethign not quite right with you and I’d have that uncomfortable feeling like I’m taunting a handicapped person.
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jerry,
regarding hank moody, during his statutory rape trial it was revealed that mia (the jailbait) intentionally seduced him because she was pissed at his ex-lover.
only on tv.
oh, wait…
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@Tyrone
I just saw your sorry excuse for a come-back as it just came out of moderation.
You mean the half dozen regulars like you who no longer want to have sex with anyone over 25 for the rest of their lives?
No. There are enough guys who want to game young women here to keep it interesting.
Just like I don’t believe your wife is still attractive to you and you’re certainly not having sex twice a week. Oh wait, you said you’re having sex two or three times per day. Riight.
Gorbachev correctly stated that men in America cannot be told what life is like for other men overseas because the ones stuck in America would simply NOT BELIEVE how good it is when you leave the US.
Since you and PA are stuck in an asexual marriage (for life) you and PA would have an extra reason not to WANT to believe I’m having any fun.
I don’t mention 90% of my social life precisely because it wouldn’t be believed.
Instead I write mostly about men’s rights.
It isn’t my responsibility to keep the comments from veering far off what the blogger meant. Expecting some moderation isn’t too much to ask and has nothing to do with seeking approval.
I was right in asking the blog owner to set some of the socialcon manginas straight here.
He does this only indirectly such as in his new post that refers to marriage as “decades without sex” or whatever.
So go read the new post and ask the blogger why he just said that you’re in for decades without sex because you got married.
It’s you and PA who don’t get it that you’re being ridiculed continuously. The Chateau probably just wants to be polite to you by letting you comment without his treating you like he did Lady Whatever.
Evil? I see you as a mangina wimp who used a Mail Order Bride service to buy a Ukrainian woman.
Normally, I dislike the feminist online depiction of American men doing that. You seem to have done just that however.
In reality, interpreters for marriage agencies will admit that their customers are mostly losers. Women laugh at the marriage-minded losers who show up these days.
Most women aren’t interested in signing up for the service anymore because of the reputation guys like you made.
I will pretend I didn’t write that only because I want to get the IMBRA law overturned on principle.
But you were too beta to actually get laid right?
Obviously, a church-going beta would not be impressed with the few stories I bothered to make in order to analyze game principles.
Nobody embellishes or brags here. There’s no reason to. Only feminists and their socialcon allies would make the accusation.
And that is because they want to shoot messengers.
You’d shoot down the host if he posted incognito on another blog.
Most of the time, there’s little daylight between my positions and his – and that’s not a result of approval seeking – it’s because most of this game stuff is pretty basic.
You are fighting against basic principles.
The host is not a social conservative and how many times does he have to ridicule social conservatives by name before you realize that?
Sure, all smart men are conservatives. Taxes take date money away from men and give it to young women for nothing in return. Duh. Also, the feminists officially own the Democratic Party and unofficially own the GOP. One has to oppose the party that is officially owned by them.
You mean it hurts to know you won’t be having sex with a woman under 30 again for the rest of your life.
Especially if you liked sex with your wife when she was younger but not so much now. Now you need to write about your sacrifice for civilization.
I like most of the guys who at least want to get laid with women under 25.
Plus some of my long comments get syndicated on Men’s Rights Blogs.
3000 readers per day says this blog is a good place to write some thoughts.
He didn’t mean it in the social conservative way you think and he certainly didn’t think ahead about what to say about raising daughters. That was an error. He should have predicted that and at least entered his opinion when the flame war started.
Obviously you’d agree that he might want to write an entire post on raising a daughter.
Now don’t say I’m trying to “tell him what to do” on that. Jeez, what a lame accusation.
I may have given him the idea to write the post when I wrote a long comment 5 days ago about why fathers don’t teach their sons game.
I made two bullet points in that comment:
1) Men fear the son will tell the mom
2) Men don’t want to be accused of corrupting a minor
But I’m not saying this is what gave him the idea of writing on the same topic the next day.
@Xsplat:
I find it difficult to respect your respect. It seems so self effacing as to be plenty pussy.
I might think differently if the man were unreasonable, but a good relationship with her father is a major predictor for a woman being good marriage material. I respect a father because I see men in that position as leaning forward in the foxhole for society so to speak. Most of these men are betas and their daughters are often the one thing they cherish the most. Just as I don’t deface fine art out of respect for the artist, I won’t dump on some poor man’s most cherished possession or affiliation out of respect for him. And I’ve also never once had trouble with a woman’s father. I have generally been liked and respected and seen to be a good catch.
Men are being turned into the second sex in this society precisely because they screw one another over all the time and are easily divided and conquered. Besides, if I can get pussy easily, then letting some it go is not a big loss. Sorry if you think I’m a pussy for thinking this way. I just think a father’s love and protection for his daughter trumps my superficial carnal desires. I’ve walked away from pussy many times in my life.
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@PA
You won’t “go harder on me” because most of what you disagree with me about, you disagree with the Chateau about.
You’re a coward about confronting him on it.
And you tend to backtrack and “climb down”.
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@Tyrone
We completely agree there.
You and PA are carrying water for the feminists who don’t want men dating younger women.
If that attitude comes into proposed GOP policy, the independent males will vote Dem next year. The fight for the soul of the Tea Party may be fierce.
So lay off wishing violence to those who might hypothetically fuck your hypothetical daughter.
Stop putting “daughters” on a pedestal. That plays right into the feminists’ hands.
A man should raise his daughter to be an Alpha Female and not have to tell him all about every guy she dates.
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Seriously, would anyone define alpha as thinking “I wonder if this woman’s father would approve of me”?
This whole discussion is absurd.
Newsflash: Every woman is the daughter of some man.
The feminists just love having neutered socialcon married men using that trope endlessly to urge men to regulate themselves before they get regulated.
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@Tyrone
When did this become Bible Hour?
And you blame me for wondering where the Hell the moderator is in this discussion?
It’s fucking Christian Bible Hour here.
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@Jerry:
When I listen to you, I realize that Heydrich had a point. They’re such trouble makers. Germany’s a better place now without its Jewish problem, even if you have to deal with the endless moaning over their guilt trip, mostly brought about by the Jewish controlled media. BTW, Russians don’t like Jews very much either. They tolerate them.
Russia is a security state. That means small cities have officials with close ties to the FSB. The FSB has agents who will work for a private corporation or government agency and for the FSB as well, collecting two pay checks. Don’t think they don’t know who you are and what you’re doing there, BTW. They’ll tolerate you as long as you remain low profile, but nationalism is resurging there too.
I predict you will one day become involved with the daughter of a police chief or similar figure and he will make sure you don’t come around his daughter anymore. Russia has vast forests and rivers where bodies can easily disappear, especially when no one is looking for them anyway. No one will miss you.
I have a friend who is an Odin’s Warrior. A buddy of his, also a member of the gang, had retired from the gang and went to live in Thailand on his very upscale houseboat. He became involved with a local girl, who happened to be the daughter of a big government minister, and was also a Muslim. There was also a big age difference between the Australian man and the young lady he was living with. Because she was well bred and pretty, he really liked her too. So naturally, the girl’s father believed strongly in his patriarchal prerogative and was also a white knight no doubt. He didn’t care for his daughter living with an old, white, hairy Australian ex- biker and criminal.
You know what he did? He had the Thai police plant a large amount of heroin on his boat and arrest him for possession of heroin with intent to distribute. The last I heard, he was facing the death penalty and was hoping the girl’s father would intervene and cut him a break and let him leave the country, but it was a long shot. I believe he was executed. Life is cheap in most of the world, especially for Americans who don’t respect the local customs and women.
All that talk before about violence was me talking trash. I admit it. I’m not averse to it, but you’re right, it’s messy.
If someone such as you tried to date my daughter, I would never let you even suspect I didn’t approve. I would hire a PD, find your weak spot and exploit it. Planting drugs on someone and calling the cops is a good method. There are others. Rattle snakes and scorpions come to mind as well. Violence would really only be an absolute last resort. There is a long list of legal remedies one could resort to beforehand. Violence would only be for the truly obtuse and stubborn.
Caveat Emptor.
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@Jerry:
I’m sure you’re having lots of fun. I am too. I own a flat in Kiev, in Pechersk too, about 3 minuts from the Lavra. Its completely paid off and renovated to European standard with A/C and in floor heating and a view of the Dnieper and the WWII monument right across the street. The Presidential Palace and Verchovnaya Rada are also about 20 minutes down the street. I’m free to go there and live my life as you do. I walked away from the chance because I had better things to do. I’d like to start a family for instance.
As far as living overseas, I told you before, I lived in Germany for about 30 years. I own a house south of Stuttgart there and a flat south of Frankfurt. I can go there too. There is a fabulous brothel a couple of minutes away from my flat. So I’m not really in any position to suffer from celibacy ever again, with or without game. You’re projecting here again. I’ve never really wanted for good, young pussy at any time in my life, nor do I fear ever losing that option. Women generally like me and I like them back. I’m just not hung up on women under 22. So your rebuttal is the silly one.
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@Jerry:
if you met my wife, I have zero doubt you would try to hit on her and be surprised to learn her true age. She gets dirty jealous looks from much younger women all the time. So tell me, are Vera Brezhneva and Tanya Tereshina both past their prime? What about Glukose? She’s pretty hot. How about Cerebro? All of them are over 25, but I think you’d hit on them too.
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@Tyrone
I get along just fine with the fathers that I meet, but I won’t go out of my way to meet them. I look like I’m in my early 30s. Nobody checks like paranoid American fathers would.
One father of a 17 year old said she was too young. I respected that. She was the one pursuing me anyway. I’ll get a call from her six months down the line.
A foreign father just sees his daughter is having growing up and learning about life and being happy.
I don’t really dump anyone as in pump and dump.
Everyone stays my friend.
Sure, it’s disrespectful to write things like “pump and dump” on a blog, but in real life its just the normal ebb and flow of relationships.
Most young women want to ride the carousel for a few years. So a man overseas is not really doing anything wrong in obliging a woman who feels that way. No, traditional women are in the minority everywhere.
But I seriously date those traditional women and their fathers like me (I look young, so shoot me).
This is why you agreed with most of my posts until this week.
Most fathers don’t do the beta thing by getting caught up in their daughters’ lives. Most don’t care.
Sure, the Thai minister didn’t like a particular guy.
I would do the same thing if my daughter hooked up with a criminal biker type I didn’t like.
Life is more dangerous overseas. One has to be careful, mostly of getting robbed.
If I hit violence overseas, it will be a concussion from being hit over the head in a robbery.
@PA noted in November that its an occupational hazard of a man to someday hit upon a violent father.
No argument there.
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BTW, I don’t really disapprove of older men marrying younger women at all. I did it myself. But I think there should be some personally set limitations. I also think the man in Germany was wrong to take the law in his hands so egregiously, but I admire his spirit and empathize with his sense of desperation and helplessness. I admire his courage as well and willingness to sacrifice his freedom for his daughter’s welfare. I hope she appreciates the effort. I predict he will get a light sentence. The threat of more than 3 years is meant to gain bargaining leverage on the part of the Staatsanwalt (DA).
I’m not at all averse to game, I just think that one should also expect the corrollary danger that accompanies it to be present. I simultaneously respect a father’s right to protect his daughters and place its value above that of carnal pleasure. I think anyone who pondered this question for any time would agree unless they are a cultural marxist who wants to see Western Society destroyed. I also think that game is too selfish and unless the target is selfish, takes advantage of the good nature of unsuspecting women. Most of the women I met in Ukraine, especially the young ones were pretty naive and straight forward. Scammers are a minority in general. All the women the men go to sleep with hope to marry the high status foreigner in their town. Just being able to stay in a nice flat is a big deal to most of them. I think its better to not rub their noses in their weak position for personal gain. Its simply the Golden Rule. I don’t support punishing Russian women for the sins of their American sisters though.
In raising a child, I would likely focus first on my daughter, but kids aren’t always smart and don’t always listen to dad. In most cases, the father never finds out. However, the weak link in all families is the father. If society wants to return to a more balanced power relationship between the sexes, then it is imperative to shore up its support for fathers. People had sex back then too and always will.
BTW, this is not Bible Hour. Read some Epictetus or Seneca. Stoicism also believes in moderation as do all forms of Classical Greek philosophy.
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You kids are spraying petty theological bullshit at each other. As somebody else said above, alpha’s not a club with rules. Alpha is grace under pressure. Calm confidence. If women want to fuck you, and men want to be like you or to follow you, you’re alpha. Just that. Or just like that, but different.
What alpha is not, is not a 99% score on a fifteen-page purity test assembled by two pissy little twinks slap-fighting in the comments on somebody’s blog.
I could let you both suck my dick and not be less of a man for it, if you weren’t fat pimply trolls.
That’s alpha.
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Duxbury
Duxbury, it seems we agree that high socio-sexuality (a tendency to serial monogamy and a disinterest in lifetetime bonding as a consideration for sex, eg not choosing for partners based on ability to form lifetime bonds) is what Alpha is all about.
It must be quite painful for the low socio-sexual crowd to come to grips that in order to woo women, they need to ape an attitude that they loathe in their bones.
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I met my wife through a mutual friend, not an agency. IMBRA never had an impact nor will it ever as its not enforced during the immigration process. I am opposed to IMBRA, but it was Maria Cantwell (D) Washington who started IMBRA. She tried to get it passed as a state law in Washington. She is an ardent feminist and wanted to ensure that men couldn’t bring FSU women over as sex slaves, which is pure feminist nonsense. Maria is another genius cultural Marxist Progressive. The men it hurts are the 95% who never go over to meet a woman. I learned early on that it was foolish to write letters to enrich the agencies. Just go there and meet women.
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@ITSME:
when we had a patriarchy, you could go to prostitutes, smoke reefer, opium, snort coke, smoke heroin, screw young women, and marry women under 16. These things have come about as a result of the political influence of women. When men had control over their houses, society was able to police itself and men had a better time. The only thing they had to fear was another man. Until we return to those days, we will live in a nanny state.
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@Itsme:
I would screen younger men harder than older men. Most older men want companionship as much as sex.
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@Tyrone
We don’t really have an argument and it’s easy to see why we often agreed. I did project and misunderstand where you were coming from. I honestly thought you were some kind of holy roller fanatic. The castration in Germany did make me nervous as it would any man who’s still single. 😉
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@Xsplat:
Tyrone, you sure have a strong respect for authority.
Did you know that of the five human moral traits, two of them are not universal, and are only held by roughly 40% of the population?
One of those two is a strong respect for authority.
I’m actually not very respectful of authority at all. This is more projection. I am good at skirting authority actually and do so when I must, which is fairly often.
I said it was a matter of respect for the efforts and dignity of others, most of whom have far too little control over their lives and circumstances. If you find that disgusting, the reflection is on your own values, not mine.
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PA
That’s an odd thing to say. Not sure what I ever actually said that led you to think I ever implied such a thing.
I cheerfully admit to great advantages in the dating scene by being an expat in SE Asia.
Perhaps you missed your calling as a spin doctor.
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@Jerry
@Tyrone
We don’t really have an argument and it’s easy to see why we often agreed. I did project and misunderstand where you were coming from. I honestly thought you were some kind of holy roller fanatic. The castration in Germany did make me nervous as it would any man who’s still single. 😉
Good. I’m glad we could come to this conclusion. It has been fun, although I regret the name calling. Let’s bury the hatchet and I’ll buy you a beer on the Krishatek.
Cheers,
Tyrone
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Jerry
This is an interesting idea. As is your often repeated insight that the political maneuverings to limit mens access to foreign women, especially young foreign women, is motivated by women, especially older women, who want to limit competition.
And you are right that men who go along with this have internalized some funky feminist shit.
Either that or some men innately have some weird mental wiring that makes them protect women who are not related to them and they’ve never met from the invasive sperm of men who are also totally unknown. Perhaps the instinct to mate guard gets broadened out onto your daughter, and then broadened out further onto whole societies?
Personally I find people sticking their noses into other girls vaginas sinful. Trying to prevent sin can be the bigger busybody sin.
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Tyrone
You would bow your head to the authority of the father, rather than persue a love interest.
We can quible over the definition of authority, or replace the notion with “respect for the efforts and dignity of others”, but the fact is you be be so self effacing that you would neglect your prime consideration, in deference to another – AND you would defer to that mans judgment over you.
Explain how that is not plenty pussy.
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An Unmarried man says, “If more men took fatherhood seriously I think our world would change very quickly.”
To get to be a father, one has to mate. Step one before step two.
The problem is that too many guys who would make good fathers are being shut out of 1. It’s kinda hard to take a job seriously when you’re constantly being either told you’re unwanted there to begin with, or disrespected once you get in.
The problem isn’t men. It’s women trying to buck like men but lacking the necessary equipment. The butch chicks need to stop trying to speak for and run everybody, accept that they’re abnormal, and let everybody else live their lives.
Jerry, an Alpha female human is an anomaly. I wouldn’t shape a worldview too much credence to that idea, especially one in which a father would attempt to raise one.
Women are very socially dependent because we’re supposed to be. If we weren’t we’d be even more hypergamous and/or mercenary, and humanity would go extinct.
Females should be considered a kind of human resource. It’s a father’s job to raise her to not be stupid and control her sexuality until he can unleash her onto a worthy male who is his equal or better.
That many fathers are unable to do this is not a sign of Alpha on the females’ part, but over-betaness on their fathers’ part, or chaos in the society.
Alpha males decide who gets to breed and who not and when and with who, in their clan.
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na
n/a, here is an xplat original insight:
Human society is a system of castes. One caste has the sexual reproductive strategy that allows groups of men to band together to exercise controls on society such that they limit female hypergamy, prevent non-monogamy, and formalize a society wide high investment strategy. This caste of people has genetic predispositions to value respect for authority and purity. The valuation of these traits is emotional and felt as a moral issue.
Another caste leans more towards serial monogamy and polygamy and even casual sex. These are low investment strategies. This group ranks high on the socio-sexual score, and is preferentially chosen by women for casual sex and when cheating on their mate who belongs to the first group. This group does not have the genes that code for the 2 non universal moral traits of respect for authority and purity.
So arguing about the sexual strategies and the strong emotional underpinnings for them is futile. People are born into castes.
We are not all merely human. We are social insects with castes. We are humans with some sharp divisions in attitudes and strategies that are genetic and innate.
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@Xsplat:
Explain how that is not plenty pussy.
Bros before Hos.
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Bros before hos. Fine. But you assume the beta position and are not the leader, bro.
You follow orders.
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xsplat,
One thing a good leader knows is that it isn’t a good strategy to unnecessarily anger other men.
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Lara,
You are mistaken. Leaders are merely careful that their in-group is more powerful than their out-group.
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[…] experienced. Indeed, in mainstream culture I can think of no one who fits that bill. Here he is advising a young reader on how to avoid growing up to be a big pussy. And here’s his advice for some other guy who […]
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I feel nothing but contempt for the whole family.
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Xsplat, but leadership is not a static position that is guaranteed for life. One must have the ability to get everybody else to keep submitting.
Part of that is the ability to divide the perks and spoils. One man cannot make all other men fear him at the same time without an army to back him up, no matter how strong he is as an individual.
Enough of those men have to be convinced that following the guy is personally beneficial to them in order to keep doing it.
Everybody who’s not the king, yourself included, is a follower keeping the social trust or at least the appearance of doing so. Even criminals have their place in this, as they need the system to stay in place so they can capitalize by cheating it.
It’s not a good idea to look down on another man for being a follower, when you are too, regardless of your attitude. Time will tell which of you is most evolutionarily successful.
If you do not get to impregnate any of the young hotties you’re banging, or all progeny are substandard, and Tyrone has strong kids with his old broad, guess who won?
Fatherless kids are more likely to be full of fail. They may be strong enough to overcome it, but rampant shaggery with no accountability is like message in a bottle, where capitalizing on a stable social order is the postal service.
No guarantees either way, but at least the latter is more dependable.
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I’ll put it this way: you are correct that it is in the genes.
Some play a numbers game.
Some go for efficiency…quality over quantity.
I’m a bit biased, and consider the former better than the latter, quite possibly because of my genetic makeup and upbringing.
All of my childhood acquaintances who were raised and probably bred otherwise, are busted up former crack hoes or dead. Their sperm donors were very likely more Alpha than my dad.
…but in this case, it wouldn’t be a compliment.
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Crap, my verbal precision suffers when I’m distracted. By “the former” I was referring to “quality”.
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Childless people over a certain age have a funny way of being opinionated on the subject of childraising.
Childless older men, like Xsplat and Jerry, insist that young female sexual wantonness is an ethical prerogative over all other considerations.
Childless older women, on the other hand, tend to have strong opionons going in the direction of over-protectiveness, which they impose on other women and their children. Such women are overrepresented among busybody professions like social services.
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@PA
I noticed you didn’t have the guts to include the Chateau in your personal opinion of who are “unethical” people.
And don’t be saying you think you know how old he is or whether there would be any difference if he is or isn’t below a certain age while looking for hotter younger tighter women. His age is not a topic for discussion on this blog.
Hang it up or start taking him to task for not living up to your social conservative standards. And, while you’re at it, drop your White Nationalist hatred for men who date or marry foreign women.
The bottom line is that you you don’t have the guts to tell the host of this blog that you consider his lifestyle unethical.
We know. You’re alpha because you didn’t change diapers. You let your children sit in soiled diapers until your wife came home. Tough guy.
And no, tons of men who have children, small or grown, will live the same lifestyle as the Chateau (or me or whoever still has a prostate). Tons of men have 24 year old daughters and 24 year old girlfriends.
Yes, studies show that men who have daughters are more likely to fall for feminism. An alpha male will prevent that from happening to himself.
Was your prostate taken out?
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PA, in my observation, away from here, most childless older people in general have overprotective opinions.
Xsplat and Jerry are at least honest about it, and this is refreshing albeit a little scary for those of us with daughters. It’s only scary though, because we have to consider how genes and upbringing are really going to pan out in real life at a real club when our daughter’s real horny and really drunk.
I have to say though, all things considered, she could do worse. Both of them, as hardcore as they may be, have hearts. It might take the emotional equivalent of a pickaxe to get to them, but they have them.
The intellectual and philosophical discussion is very raw, but in execution, elegant. Jerry is the older guy who tickles young women’s fantasies of being dirty little whores in a world that doesn’t let them do that without having to make “empowerment” speeches.
Xsplat is like the black knight of Captain Save-a-hoes by giving them a non destructive outlet rather than saving them. They end up saving themselves under his hand.
If my daughter was a dirty hoe, I’d hope they ran into a Jerry or an Xsplat before a Kendall Francois. Worse things can happen to a girl than getting laid.
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Jerry, I consider you to be mildly retarded. I mean this literally. Since this little smartphone had a tiny little keyboard that’s hard to peck at, I’ll leave it at this for now.
Income, I agree with you on Xsplat; well put.
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“Nicole”, not “income” . Autocorrect.
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Plus I had children because I donated sperm. There may be one or two out there. I may even have a daughter. No, that won’t make me get all paranoid about who I’m trying to meet. The odds are too long on that score.
I can still have (more) children without marrying if it’s in a country with reasonable child support laws.
My current life situation simply doesn’t differ much from the blogger except geography.
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@PA
You continue to show cowardice in terms of telling the Chateau what you think of his lifestyle at his age.
Childishly throwing around “you’re retarded” isn’t going to cut it.
You know that.
[Editor: Jerry despite what you may think you don’t know my age. And can you stop playing ‘let’s you and him fight’? If anyone has specific questions about what I think about may-december romances, ask me.]
Hang it up.
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A quick note to make my position clear, for the sake of Jerry and anyone else who is following along and cares:
In a functioning society, patriarchy (father’s sovereignty) rules. However, since we’re the West and not a middle eastern theocracy (where it’s not ok to slut around, but you can rape Phillipina maids or bugger boys), there is room for sexual freedom outside of socially-sanctioned family-forming channels; but it happens discretely, and conventional morality is always respected, at least pro-forma.
Where I disagree with Jerry (who fails to see things from a broad perspective) and Xsplat (who is intelligent but has his own POV) is that I do not recognize their asserted ‘right’ to fuck young girls — ie, girls with marriage and motherhood perspectives. Yes, they can try to seduce them, and more power to them if they do , but
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Internet explorer did someting wierd and sent my comment above before it was ready. IN short: I have no problem wiht any normal sexuality, including may-december if you will.
No comment of mine in the 3-4 years I’ve commented here said otherwise. I’m just trying to get through Jerry’s skull (why, I don’t know) that he has a cartoonish idea of having a ‘right’ to bang girls, which I doubt he does in reality, even when it offends her family/men, free of any consequence.
Like wiht the German case: you can go bear hunting, bt don’t cry when you get mauled.
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@PA
A Polish immigrant who’s read Stormfront and adopted “family values” and a host of feminist phrases like “sex tourist” because he felt he was lucky enough to marry an American woman, doesn’t give me the impression he “understands the big picture”.
Sex isn’t a “right”. That’s why game exists.
@Editor
Since I basically repeat your attitude about young women, which is particularly what PA detests, it’s logically your intellectual responsibility, not mine, to set him straight in the future if anybody does need to do so. I’m not following you if you’re implying that you’d be less cool to have the same opinions you have now at my age.
I could just refer him, in the future, to your Hank Moody post.
But that would, in fact, be “let’s you and him fight”.
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Jerry, you have no idea what I read and don’t read. Fuck off you retarded senile dork.
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PA, while I may have no right to fuck young girls, the father also has no right to stop me.
It FEELS right to fuck young girls, and it FEELS right to the father to try and stop me.
So far no father has made more than a token attempt to stop me from having marriageless sex with his daughter. And if he would try, he would be no more in the right than me.
And I would not just roll over, like Tyrone, in meek deference to another “bro”.
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Xsplat, fair enough. Well put. Here is my add-on: in the case of your theoretical conflict between a lover’s and a father’s “feelings”, a properly functioning society sides wiht the father.
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But from you’re socialist point of view of upholding the social contract of high investment strategy lifetime monogamous pairings and limiting, you are “right”.
From my view of having sex and love casually and with serial monogamy, I am “right”.
You think in terms of morals, because that’s what you are programmed to do.
I don’t have the genes that encode for moral purity and a moral sense of obeisance to the social code of fuck ethics.
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I think we need to be clear about how young we are willing to go. Me personally? Fifteen years. That’s my limit. If she’s more than 15 years younger than me, she’s off limits. I’m 41, so that means I can chase a 26 year old. 25 is too young. That’s just my own personal rule.
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PA, there are often riots in the streets between our two genetic castes. We are genetically sworn enemies, and find it difficult to feel anything but disgust for each others attitudes.
The libertines and bohemians are considered wanton wastrels with no respect for common decency by your type. And you social conservatives are considered by my type to be authoritarian busybody squares who could use a little dildo play.
There are literally riots in the streets between our castes, in different countries and in different times.
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It is true that PA has a collectivist mentality. That’s what he means by the “Big Picture”.
But people need to stop using the term “young girls” here because PA deliberately means to imply pedophilia by this phrase. It’s exactly what the feminists do to shame men.
Remember, he’s not interested in ever having sex again with someone under 35.
We’re talking about “young women” here.
Everyone knows that, outside of Muslim society, the daughters at all education levels of the upper class, upper middle class, lower middle class and lower class are all doing what they want with men regardless of what any father tells them. Even in a curfew culture, the women do what they want in the early evening and at lunch.
I’ve never met a seriously angry father either, although it’s noted that PA wishes I would seduce his daughter so he can kill me.
And why should any father I’ve met outside of the US be angry at me? I’m seen as a good catch genetically in a part of the world that doesn’t treat older men like pariahs the way the feminist US culture does.
I don’t pump and dump. I don’t make enemies of any women.
Sure, it can happen that I get attacked by the wrong father just like a mugger can bash my head in tonight.
But I’m more likely to get attacked by a jealous boyfriend.
Men tend to blame the daughters for lowering their value if they have such an impression. Some women tell me their father yelled at them for wearing too revealing clothing. They cry on my shoulder saying “My father called me a slut” for wearing this. Even that is rare.
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If that’s you’re view then we haven’t had any properly functioning western society since shortly after birth control was invented.
Nobody pays any attention to the father nowadays. In all my years the idea of fathers consent has come up 0 times.
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The two times that a father did try to have some sort of impact on me dating the girl, the girl simply ignored him.
I had a meeting some 15 years back with the Muslim Dad, and it was supposed to be about asking permission to bring the Indonesian girl back to the States for a visit. Only thing was, I was not asking permission. I was just sitting there listening to him say no.
I didn’t bother arguing. I thought the whole talk rather stupid and pointless.
Of course the girl did whatever she wanted to do. She came with me.
On another occasion the father wanted to suggest to me to marry his girl, but his daughter kept admonishing him to not do that in case it would scare me away.
After time the parents gave up on the idea and consented with their silence on us living together. Conservative Muslims again.
That you think fathers have influence seems to me delusional. More delusional are fathers to be who plan to be influential in a culture of the future.
Did someone snip your tether to reality?
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PA, if it adds to your amusement I have a hypothesis that the host allows jerry to stay because he makes substantial pay pal contributions, Why else would the host put up with this constant tooling of “You need to write about this” “You need to write about that” without so much as an inline comment in response? Lol
If the host puts up with all this being told what to do, on a blog who’s entire theme is alpha/beta/etc, then there must be an outside reason for that.
[Editor: Jerry isn’t the only one who does this. Lots of commenters and emailers make… vociferous… requests. That doesn’t mean their requests are answered. So no one is “putting up” with anything. But thanks for playing. Your passive aggressive bitchitude is duly noted.]
Jerry, PA isn’t even fourty years old yet. Give it a rest
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Tim, is that reallly a rule, or is it just that you don’t have confidence to attract a woman younger than 25?
There was a Ted talk linked to on this blog that showed that people have a mental habit to be happy with what their choices are, and to dislike what they can not have.
I bet if you ever fell for a 21 year old hottie who treated you well, your rule would evaporate. You’d be a king on top of the world.
But you are correct that even imagining this as an option will make you sad – because it may be unlikely. Better for your mental health and happiness to block off the whole idea.
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My biggest danger from a father would be NOT marrying the daughter after leading her on.
@Audrey
Nice to see a feminist coming to the rescue of a socon.
If the Chateau doesn’t want to post about Berlusconi’s trial or follow up on Assange’s extradition to Sweden, that will have nothing to do with the fact that I’ve asked a number of times.
He never makes inline comments when people suggest topics.
PA thinks like a 60 year old with a non-functioning prostate.
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@Xplat,
I like your theory that we are divided by our genetic castes/lineage. Additionally, as you may know already from our conversations a year or so ago, I lived in Thailand for eight years and supped on many a young woman’s pussy. Mostly girls from the north, from the farm. It’s not hard to pull in Udonthani, for example.
But I need some maturity. I have to be able to carry on an intelligible conversation. 21 is just a kid. But that is just my opinion. If it works for you, have at it. I won’t stand in your way. By 26 they are grown up.
Don’t forget: this is highly subjective. If 21 works for you, its fine with me. It’s not my business what you do. I don’t preach or moralize.
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Jerry,
PA has always been reasonable, patient and even kind to you. You have responded with nothing but extreme hostility and totally asinine personal insults. You are the one who is wrong here.
Ironically, women are probably less attracted to men with libertine sexual values than they are to men with more conservative ones.
[Editor: I dunno about that. Cads don’t seem to be wanting for female attention. As long as the libertine is discriminating in his taste, women will find him attractive. What women don’t like are men who have a track record of slumming it with heifers and trolls. Makes him seem as if he doesn’t value himself highly enough to go for hotter babes.]
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The commie social constructivists who post on this blog make my inner sadness tuning forks hum. It must be sad and frustrating to try to rally people together towards what they conceive of as a sane healthy society, and then see that the only people listening are other frustrated social constructivists. The girls don’t listen or care, and even the men mock them.
They must feel impotent to the point of rage.
Dudes – this is not some tribe in the forest any more. Technology has made your sexual strategy of controlling culture obsolete. Get over it and adapt already.
Girls follow opportunity and are not asking for or listening to your advice. Grip it.
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Lara
Lara, have you ever come across the notion that women have dual sexual strategies?
Perhaps you’ve also come across the notion that women are not only innately unaware of their dual nature, but actively can not be aware of it?
Women are only aware of the side of their nature that goes for the beta provider. When they are aware of the other side, it’s viewed as a pathology they want to cure, so it’s a partial awareness at best.
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Jerry is a harmless village idiot and his puppydog devotion to the Chateau hosts is endearing. I really do feel like kid-gloving him, because he just doesn’t seem quite right. It’s not like he’s genetically stupid. People born wiht low IQs still show a kind of … contact wiht reality that Jerry fails to show.
I wondered if he’s senile, or maybe there was an episode of eight-minute submersion at some point in his life. Or maybe too many drugs.
Nonetheless, his goofball fury directed at me is cute, though entirely wrong. For those who care, as to where he;s off-mark on me:
I am around forty. Give or take a year.
My wife is still in her twenties
Though most of my girlfriends were American, my wife is not American
By the way, I loved his whopper about siring kids through sperm donation.
“Ground control to major Jerry…”
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@Lara
PA has basically stated that he seeks the favor of women readers here (all 3 of them). He wrote yesterday that he felt the measure of a good commenter here was one whom the women readers liked.
It’s a socialcon sickness on the Internet that, even anonymously, they will write in a manner that will suck up to older women readers.
They can’t be allowed political power in the GOP anymore because they suck up to feminist “Republicans” like the Hillary loving PUMAs.
In real life, nobody is going to be honest like this blog is SUPPOSED to be for men. What the host or anyone else says here is not what they will be saying in real life for obvious reasons.
PA won’t be dating you so whether you like him or not should not affect him as any kind of feedback.
It’s too bad he’s trying to be so politically correct.
I don’t see him as a nice guy but one who’s stated often that he wants to see violence against single men.
But he doesn’t comment much and isn’t too bright so it’s not a big problem.
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A little aneccdote thay may be heartstringy: about two years ago there was a commenter here who once flew off at me out of the blue and I ripped him mercilessly.
Later, with his subsequent postings, I got a feeling that he’s… different. And then he had a blog of his own briefly, with his photo shown. He looked like a really decent fellow. I felt very bad for being such a dick to him.
Ideological haters I have no kindness for. But I don’t like to be nasty to people are fucked up in some way, many of whom no doubt sit on the computer a lot.
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xsplat,
I am very aware of women’s dual mating strategy and there is a lot of truth to it. However, I just don’t think a woman would necessarily be more attracted to someone with your views than she would be to a Tyrone or PA. There is nothing they have said that makes me think they enjoy female companionship any less than men like you or Jerry do. If anything they may come across as more self disciplined, less desperate for female approval and more compassionate toward women and therefore more attractive.
[Editor: I don’t doubt that you find PA more attractive. But his traditionalism and Jerry’s claimed libertinism are not the relevant variables affecting your mood toward each. Rather, it’s the cooly cocksure alpha ‘tude that PA projects in his comments that is cranking your clit shaft, while Jerry’s long-winded hysterics relative to PA’s short n sweet jabs does him no favors.]
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Lara, if you are aware of th 2 types of sexual attraction triggers that women possess, you will also know that they are not holistic. It’s not a matter of being more attracted to bad boys or providers – it’s situational. It varies with the cycles of a woman’s menstruation, and with the cycles of her life – how desparate she is to secure that long term mate with her fading looks.
The libertine triggers are universally attractive to all women. True that some women are generally more attracted to the provider signals.
This is what calibration is for.
But a man who does not innately possess the libertine attitude will find himself at a disadvantage when his best strategy for SEDUCTION (not mate selection) requires him pushing those bad boy triggers.
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@PA
At good universities they ask the men with the scholarships for sperm. No kidding. You wouldn’t know that however.
It’s too bad that a guy so young would have such a fucked up social conservative attitude so soon.
The GOP is not heading in your direction dude.
@Lara
Tyrone is cool. We misunderstood each other yesterday and the day before. PA felt like announcing today that “childless older men” were not as ethical as married men with children. Xsplat and I could have ignored that comment but we didn’t I guess.
Ultimately, it will be the host’s responsibility if he wants his comment section filled with socialcons praising the ethics of having kids.
PA was propping himself up to look good to women readers (and probably cure his cognitive dissonance and regret at being stuck in marriage with kids) even though this should be irrelevant to a male commenter on this blog.
If you’re a conservative woman who likes him for that, that’s also completely irrelevant to what this blog is about.
On this blog, that should discredit a man if anything, because it makes it clear whom he’s writing to impress.
It’s incorrect to imply that men are supposed to be practicing game on the women on this blog or that comments expressed here would be comments they’d make to their girlfriend or their girlfriend’s father for that matter.
This is not like a bar or any other venue where a real life male is gaming any real women.
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Jeryy
I have no energy or enthusiasm for arguing about the morality of having kids or not.
But keep in mind that being successful with the ladies, over a period of time, has been known to put a kid in your life, by one means or another. And maybe its a girl child.
Then, you are faced with a FACT, not a supposition. And beyond that, regardless of what you intend or even expect, you tend to discover that the most normal thing in the world is to fall resoundingly in love with the little feline monster who has your eyes and soaring wit. Love – Regardless of anything, anything at all.
So what to do with this package? You do what it takes to keep them out of the cess pool of stupid contemporary culture. Money helps. M. Jaeger has had something like 4-5 daughters with various women in his life. He sent them to all girls schools high up in the Swiss Alps until they were 17-18. Some of them have gone into the family business but only after. The important thing is to control the frame. Never let strangers and fools and public school functionaries get a chance. Teach them that they are special because of the family/tribe they belong to rather than what is between their legs. Make sure she gets to know any super alpha relatives. Don’t wait. You only have about 13-14 years to get them suitably armor plated.
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PA
Alpha as is cad, or alpha as in Patriarch?
Alphas are very often not family oriented, so you’ll have to heavily qualify what you mean by what role models you want her to associate with.
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@Rum
“Teach them that they are special because of the family/tribe they belong to rather than what is between their legs.”
I like that. I’m pretty average in most ways, but I come from a great family and I always got a lot my self worth from that. I knew whether some boy liked me or not, I had other people that loved me and that I have an obligation to and that has always help me put things in perspective.
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Alpha as in the sense of hyper successful business types who also exude major charisma. These type guys, in my observation, tend to express un-limited acceptance towards a cute 12 year girl relative that is not based on sexuality at all. And that does good things to the kids sense of self worth, imho. But in a profoundly different way that getting ego fuel from being lusted after by an endless series of horny guys.
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There’s nothing “hysterical” about Jerry’s posts. He makes important points about how close feminist and social-conservative ideologies really are, and how damaging this converging ideology is to men. Esp. men who seek pleasure outside of the grim precincts of “age-appropriate relationships.” His posts are excellent, and have made me look very differently at the white-knighting, IMBRA-passing Republican party.
I have friendly advice for you, Jerry. Your rhetorical relentlessness, which I savor, will alienate those for whom these things are mere ideas. And certainly the women on this board will not exactly cherish a man who relishes the idea of sweet young tight p*ssy in public, unless he is a highly stylized, theoretically reformable, and conventionally literary cad like Roissy. So your audience here is surprisingly limited.
But if you want to waste words on cashiered, low-libido fathers with delusions about their daughters’ “honor” that far exceed in ludicrousness any delusion they attribute to you, then be my guest.
@xsplat,
I like your idea that there are differences that can only be settled by a sharp knife.
How true that is. If only all our enemies had but one neck.
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@CR
“As long as the libertine is discriminating in his taste, women will find him attractive. What women don’t like are men who have a track record of slumming it with heifers and trolls. Makes him seem as if he doesn’t value himself highly enough to go for hotter babes.”
I agree, but I’ll add one thing. The women he is with have to really care about him, treat him well and respect him. If he is being used by them or taken advantage of it isn’t appealing.
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One of the best Roissy posts in a long time, this gets to the root of what this whole blog is about.
I’m gay but I still respect this site for what it does to restore legitimate pride in being male.
I stayed in a snooty country hotel in Ireland (I’m Irish, BTW) and, after one weekend, got 75% off the whole hotel bill.
Be awkward, be an asshole, be trouble.
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” If he is being used by them or taken advantage of it isn’t appealing.”
This is why I say that men who have a strong dislike for sexual impurity have a disadvantage in seduction.
Because as you say, it is the romantic libertine who is the most appealing. The bad boy with edge who is also attentive and who holds promise of being tamed.
Virginity freaks can’t honestly convey the romance during a casual seduction.
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@Lara
You are correct. It is generally not wise to make enemies for no reason. Enemies come all by themselves. Even Ghengis Khan rose to power because he sought cooperation among his men rather than to appear dominant for tis own sake. He gave them most of the plunder as well, keeping only about 10% for himself.
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Not wise to make enemies for no reason is a tautology.
You could say that it is unwise to not have enemies, and unwise to be overly cautious about making enemies.
As soon as making enemies is wise, of course there is a reason for it.
Let’s you and him fight is one clever example of the wisdom of maintaining enemies. The out group is essential to politics.
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I always learn soooo much about myself from reading here.
1. Canadians are cheap tippers. (I am Canadian)
2. Having an alpha dad made me feminine.
3. Riding horses since I was seven and doing a posting trot while show jumping made me the overly active sexual female I am today.
Thanks for the schooling – my bottom is red!
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Tim
Tim, what do you think of this Roosh article http://www.rooshv.com/never-listen-to-a-woman ?
I’ve never dated a mature woman, and I’ve dated them up to age 48.
A 16 year old with a relaxed temperament can act more mature than most 30 year old women. And do women of any age ever have anything interesting to say anyway?
When I was 21, I was just a kid, but as a male I could hold my own in intelligent conversation with males of any age. What I lacked in education I made up for in male mindpower.
Women don’t have male mindpower. 21 is as good as 50, intellectually, for most women.
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Damn straight. A father has a moral obligation to teach his son to be a man and that means teaching him some game. A father has to teach a son:
1. how not to be taken advantage of, especially not by a woman
2. never to take crap from a woman, especially one caught up in her emotional trainwreck
3. when and how to tell his girl to shut up
4. how to deal with a rude customer service representative or wait staff
5. how to demonstrate and execute leadership of a relationship, a marriage, a family and a career
My dad was the best at telling my mom to cool it. One time she was in her emotions about something, just freaking out about everything — at my grandma’s house at a family gathering, no less. He told her to shut up and that she was losing control in front of her mother and her own children (my sisters and me). He told her not to say another word, that he would take care of it, that he was taking us all home, and that if she said another word about it he was going to deal with her directly.
Mom calmed down immediately. Not a single sound passed her lips the whole way home. Dad’s authority was palpable. And there was peace throughout the land. Because it was exactly what she needed to hear. She needed him to take control of the situation and relieve her of the burden of trying to resolve it.
Dad made sure I saw all of this go down. I never forgot it.
Sometimes a woman needs to be told to shut up. It is because women are at their cores emotional creatures. When their emotions take over, logic goes out the window. The hamster loves this. A woman in the throes of her emotions cannot think straight, cannot solve a problem, and is worthless until she gets her bearings again. We must all remember this. Never let a woman in her emotions make any decisions about anything. If she gets out of control you have to be there to tell her to shut up and, if necessary, remove her from the situation. You must be there to protect her. (See Roissy’s 16 Commandments, number 15 I believe.)
A father has to show his son how to lead — how to lead himself, make a plan, lead a family, lead other men, and go into battle. He must teach his son to be his own master, and the master of his domain. That’s dominance, power, and charisma. Women find it irresistible. And it will get the son more tail than he could think. And if he marries it will help him immeasurably in managing his wife and helping her.
Sorry Roissy for application of game to marriage. But even if you’re married, you still need game. I’ve become bolder in my marriage and had the attitude that if I have to, I can walk, and it wouldn’t be the end of the world. And it’s so freeing.
I have a young son who’s a burgeoning alpha himself. And he’s got to be shown how to lead. And his alpha dad is up to it.
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The whole SE Asia thing I basically grew out of. Were I independently wealthy I’d move back and of course, a 21 yr old would not be off limits. The local chieftain would be only too happy to give me his daughter. Thing is, I’m not wealthy. I was only able to live there because my job at the time was seasonal, four on/four off.
Back here in puritanical north america, a 21 yr old with a 41 yr old would raise too many eyebrows. I could get away with a 26 yr old, but 21 I doubt it. But overseas, no problem. In fact, I was just talking with a friend of mine tonight about his plans to retire in a place called Sabang, Puerta Galera, Philippines.
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n/a,
Whether a man has children or not has nothing to do with his libido. He just has other priorities besides chasing women all the time.
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BTW, Irish people NEVER tip!!
It’s just not part of the culture here.
A tip from an Irish punter really IS a compliment!!
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Lara,
Fatherhood has changed. Many fathers are over-involved with the raising of their children. They are emasculatingly familiar with the whole childbirth process; they unselfconsciously speak about subjects like breastfeeding or, what’s the safest stroller? subjects which should be entirely foreign to them. In short, many SWPL fathers are a species of clumsy mother.
Spend time in a country like Sweden and what I’ve said about fathers and libido becomes clear. This kind of “partner parent” and pseudo-mother is increasingly encountered in the educated classes here in the US. It’s a disgusting and unnatural spectacle.
The libido of women, however, is only heightened through the childbearing years. If she has daughters it can be really enflamed, as she sees her daughter enter into what every woman prizes most: the serious sexual attention of men.
As far as priorities go, the serious seducer wastes time like a shark wastes time. A man rolls off a woman refreshed for his work. Not all seducers depend on the approval of women; some men just enjoy the connoisseurship of beauty and pleasure. Too many of today’s feminized fathers are ashamed of their sexual appetites; they think, what if my daughter knew I wanted these things?
They might be surprised at what their daughters would make of it.
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In the USA, it’s better to be gay than a heterosexual single male over 40 with natural desires (this huge population, including most divorced men, are not “libertines”). It’s too bad that being in this comment section is like going back to the USA. Yuck.
@n/a
Thanx for the kudos but the host has made it very clear that, at best, he wants to see more useless flame wars.
Please pick up the slack and comment in my stead for a few weeks. I had wanted to see this blog influence the upcoming GOP debates, but any candidate coming here would just see flame wars and not identify a demographic to campaign towards.
Flame wars cost time and time is sex, not just money. Far from adding to the “entertainment value” of an up and coming blog that could then sell itself for a princely sum by appealing to a large base, flame wars on any blog will tend to drive smart, busy people away and leave a dry rind of unintellectual or politically correct people behind.
Society already bombards us with the politically correct message “Every woman is someone’s daughter.” Anyone who makes this maudlin comment should be directed to their nearest TV set where this message is presented 24 hours a day, seven days a week (in every culture).
But the structural problem of this blog and the time wasting that happened above is more serious than the promotion of flame wars by a blogger. I can write a book about the half dozen major conceptual errors the Chateau operates under (he’s smart and worth keeping an eye on but not my “idol”).
The biggest error is this:
1) The host believes that *feminists* drove the sexual revolution (in reality, alphas used the feminists for this and then pumped and dumped them after which they got very angry and turned against men)
2) That this revolution against social conservative regulation of heterosexual behavior was somehow bad (about 80% of males would disagree with the Chateau on this point and he’d lose much of his following if they believed he really thinks this way)
3) That alphas unexpectedly found themselves in the catbird seat (as if they were incapable of planning)
4) That beta traditionalists needed to conduct a counter-revolutionary, possibly violently, to reverse the revolution (even though it would be more logical to become alpha and raise some kids with several women in a culture with reasonable child support laws)
At this point the host will have alienated 95% of men if they thought he was serious about the last point.
5) He believes that the betas should become alphas in order to do well under the new hypergamous system (obviously, where betas don’t run a society anymore, it’s imperative to stop being one, although betas still run American society and women have always been hypergamous of course).
But here’s the kicker that will lose 99% of the audience:
6) That these former betas should happily stop their seduction activities when the counter revolution actually happens (or cheer on a skirmish like the German castration event as opposed to just taking it as a warning that life isn’t danger free – there’s a difference between the two).
In short, this easily changed core ideology of the blog is a schizophrenic world view that goes around in a circle. It says “have fun with women but stop when society smartens up and don’t date women who say they’re sneaking behind their strict father’s back”.
It appeals only to a narrow sect of people, most of whom buy a White Nationalist doctrine that, unfortunately, gets more hung up about hating on older men who don’t marry than about hating Jews.
It would be better to present the Victorian world view that says a man should have families but fool around quietly on the side. That way you could still fit in the concept that the “white race needs to keep having babies”.
This above philosophy is unknown to most visitors to this blog so it would only help the blog to quietly ditch it.
I just checked the stats for this blog.
Most searches that bring men to the Chateau are for “dating younger women” “dating younger woman” or “European girls”.
The roadmap is there for the blogger to avoid driving off the road.
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n/a,
I agree with a lot of what you said.
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@Jerry:
My nick name for the US is the Celibate States of America.
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Xsplat says, “Virginity freaks can’t honestly convey the romance during a casual seduction.”
Do you convey romance during business negotiations?
In my observation, virginity freaks as you call them are generally looking for a wife to make babies with, not really a good time. They’re convinced by feminists and socons that this has to preclude having a good time (with a different kind of women on the side or when their wife loses interest in regular sex), so they play at being players, but they’re really playing for keeps.
They’re not really as okay with the instability of so-called casual relationships. Deep down, if they do it they’re either making the best of a bad situation or biding their time until they find their Mrs.
So rather than faulting them for it, I’d rather just lay things out on the table. I’ve told guys who got that weird disappointed look when I’d tell them my age when asked, that it’s clear they’re not looking for love or even a good time, but for a busines partner. So if I know any young single girls they might match with, I pull out my cellphone and work my auntie magic.
It’s not that they can’t feel romance. It’s just not what you would call “pure” romance. It’s not purely about love or pleasure. There’s an agenda that goes beyond enjoying their company and having good sex…even doing that for a very long time or for life. The idea is to find a socially convenient/acceptible young woman with whom to make their parents some grandchildren.
…and thats okay until they get older. After they’ve fulfilled their obligation and, for the more independent sort, it hasn’t brought the the contentment Hollywood and the preachers told them it would, do they start going out and doing it for the fun of it…or even really for the wonder of intimacy.
This is just one of those circle of life things. You keep saying it’s genetic, but you should probably believe that harder, and really let that sink in.
Some guys are too themselves to let business get in the way of their desires…and some guys don’t get around to their desires until they’ve taken care of the business.
…and this is why I always preferred older men. If they like you it’s because they really like you, and not because they look into your eyes and see ovaries instead of irises.
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I showed my son this blog three years ago and must be the mom who’s the exception to the rule.
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I’ve given you shit before for making posts that seem scattered and don’t hold together. But this post above is lucid, well structured, and insightful. And it agrees with my viewpoint, so double bonus.
The companionate marriage crowd is clear about their aim. Like me, they often make the mistake of thinking that their sexual strategy can be applied successfully by all men.
Is it genetic or a cycle of life thing? Cultural, learned, or related to changeable levels of testosterone that can run away on a feedback loop of success?
My view is that while it is all of the above, just like I.Q., our predispositions are set at birth and limit our life choices. There is a sexual strategy that relies on bros to enforce a culture of monogamy, and people are born into that brotherhood. Or not. Those that are born into it gain advantages in setting up a future oriented lifestyle, but these advantages come at costs towards their seductive prowess.
Not to say that the companionate marriage crowd are all beta providers. I want to say that, because works nicely for a king of the hill status dance against other men. Not to say that only cads are the real alphas. Even men have a dual mating strategy, and can keep their companionate Madona while fucking whores. And alpha traits can come in different flavors – cad or dad.
Despite the relative slipperiness of sexual mating styles – they aren’t totally hard wired or fixed for life – men can be categorized neatly into opposing camps. Camps that sometimes violently fight, as their interests are at odds.
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@Nicole + @Xsplat
Your comments are interesting but you’re both ignoring the Elephant in the Room, which is that the host himself has a split personality on the issue (he didn’t show a position in his interjections above) and has a temporary theory to back that up (that men should learn to become alphas and enjoy themselves until it’s time to help their former comrades, the betas, stage a successful counter-revolution and end sexual freedom).
This is not a feature but a bug in the program here.
The two of you, of all people, have in the past taken a lot of abuse from those who literally parked themselves in the comment section to try to hurry up the day when the “sexual revolution” ended and we all “smartened up” saw “the big picture” and gotten with the program. These people weren’t just hateful of you for being black, Nicole.
Xsplat: PA’s condemnation of those who “think they have a right to young women” reflected a serious Marxist feminist POV (philosophical alliance of the far right with the far left) and it was astonishing and out of character that the Chateau let that slide.
It may be that the host is only in his early 30s and hasn’t experienced an American father trying to break up a relationship because he’s too “old”. But once that happens to the Chateau, he won’t stay neutral on the subject.
Keep an eye on the GOP presidential debates coming up.
The social conservatives will be challenged by a new generation of young conservative men who “get it”.
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xsplat- I think you’re missing a very point when it comes to the alphas/non-mongamously disposed men- namely that “monogamy”, in past ages, was very much a part of their sexual strategy.
A older single male in smaller communities is going to arouse suspecision, distrust, and contempt in his community- he’s going to viewed as non-invested in their community, out to steal their women, and perhaps even a loser for not being a successful patriarch of his own extended clan/family. In most most cases, he’s going to be ostrasiczed and isolated- which spells genetic, if not outright, death.
If, on the other hand, he plays the family game his mating success will be much higher. Not only does he leave the progeny from his primary mate (who he may or may not feel ambivilant towards) but he gains the benefits of an extended family (important in the pre-industrial era) and the respect/social status it provides; being a trusted and respected part of the community in turn gives him more and easier opportunites to poach the women of his community- since he is a integral trusted and respected member of it.
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@NYCBachelor
I know you were trying to say this happened in the past, but your text was filled with the present tense and you just described the American feminist world view very well.
I’m glad I’ve never known such communities outside the feminist west. In the US, in places like parts of California and Oregon where feminism and social conservatism are married, I’ve seen this suspicion in display. But I’ve also had staunchly conservative US family man friends who had me babysitting their kids.
And tons of outwardly church-going American men and their wives are secretly into couples swapping these days.
A certain type of American married male will, even in the modern age, rationalize a way of thinking the way older women want him to think. For instance, the WKKK told the KKK how to think.
But that would be PA and not Tyrone.
Tyrone doesn’t comment her to impress women readers.
Divorce or a wife’s death will quickly disabuse this kind of man from this rationalization.
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Before DNA testing, mating success would have been much higher for the cads than now, where they’re trapped by laws that say the police can force them into being DNA tested and strapped with child support as a high percent of income. That’s the main problem.
The European Union (world beta government) would further hurt the chances of a cad to spread his seed economically. Any country can now force a man to take a DNA paternity test if accused of fatherhood in another.
DNA testing is a huge power boost to betas.
Before, the betas easily let themselves be fooled by the women into thinking the babies were theirs. So they only thought they were achieving higher mating success. 😉
The women only cared that someone was going to pay for it all. They preferred the seed of the cad if that was an option. With DNA testing, that’s less of an option.
Women in small communities often tend to like the outsider. They want to be poached. Naturally, their families don’t want them to be pumped and dumped, however. It does lower a woman’s value if the word gets around in a small community that this happened. That’s where the “suspicion” aspect can be very real.
I noted earlier that the greatest danger of violence happening to a cad is if he doesn’t marry the daughter.
That’s where the “shot gun marriages” tradition comes from. 😉
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Jerry, you are a blithering moron but you are fun to read. Keep it comin’ babe.
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@PA
1) You agree with IMBRA
2) You have stated that you write here to impress women readers
3) You think men have no right to date younger women, which was meant to say cultures should cockblock them
4) You revel in the idea of cads meeting violent ends
The list goes on. There’s no daylight between you and the Marxist feminists.
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Jerry
Most searches that bring men to the Chateau are for “dating younger women” “dating younger woman” or “European girls”.
How do you know this?
Are you one of the authors here? If so, then God help us all.
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Jerry,
I believe your definition of a feminist may be any woman that won’t sleep with you.
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@real talk
It’s public information. Technically, this site is searched for by those who heard the various names but didn’t know the exact address.
But after that, the majority of visitors are clearly searching for a place that discusses dating younger women and dating non-American women.
I know that upsets you.
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Lara, then no wonder he sees a feminist under every bed.
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@Lara
Women who hang around this blog hoping to see a beta married male shame other men are only proving a point.
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What point is that?
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If, on the other hand, he plays the family game his mating success will be much higher. Not only does he leave the progeny from his primary mate (who he may or may not feel ambivilant towards) but he gains the benefits of an extended family (important in the pre-industrial era) and the respect/social status it provides; being a trusted and respected part of the community in turn gives him more and easier opportunites to poach the women of his community- since he is a integral trusted and respected member of it.
I wouldn’t normally agree with Jerry because I do think he suffers from aspergers syndrome, but the above quote from NYCBachelor bears scrutiny. I know a Vice Principal of a local high school here in my community who is making wedding plans for his second marriage, but this is the future bride’s third marriage. She’s basically Bridezilla, looking for that bio-chemical high of getting married. Lesson: an ostensibly upright, socially-proofed, culturally embedded man, is making an ass of himself by getting hitched to a woman who is now on her third marriage. This is an instance which refutes NYCBachelor’s claim, that a highly respected man will poach the local women because he is trusted and highly esteemed. In all honesty, I’d rather stay single and cruise the world in search of babes like Xsplat.
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@Tim
“Piling on” with an insult like that, when a few older women, at least one known feminist (Audrey) and a White Knighter have been trying to shame someone who does exactly what Xsplat does and what you now want to do, just isn’t logical.
If there’s anything you disagree with that I’ve written, then say so.
Asperger’s is defined as having a repetitive pattern of behavior that contributes to social awkwardness (in real life).
Being flamed by a group of hostiles in the tail-end of a thread on a controversial Internet forum, cannot be defined as social awkwardness.
Xsplat and Gorby are constantly attacked here and anyone else including the host would be flamed on most forums on the net for talking about game. Socially awkward feminists and social cons love to hang out in such places going on the attack against politically incorrect people.
So it’s the haters with repetitive negative patterns who likely have Asperger’s.
Your remark “I wouldn’t date a 25 year old but a 26 year old is OK” sounded like something a very socially awkward
American man would make who’s been brainwashed by fems and repeats the negative behavior pattern of not approaching women 25 and under.
How old are you?
In fact, you would agree with this assessment now that Xsplat set you straight.
Ditto with your remark “What would I say to a 21 year old”.
You’ve probably believed those tropes for too many years, which would constitute a “repetitive pattern of behavior that contributes to social awkwardness”.
You’re getting cured of Asperger’s. That’s good. But you’ve now lost a lot of years of your life doing the repetitive pattern of thinking while being socially awkward in real life.
I’m on your side. No need for the pot to call the kettle black and shame on you for piling on when those who would disagree with you go on the attack.
That was friendly fire Tim.
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Jerry, speaking of repetitive behavior, you’ve used the term “friendly fire” in the past when one of your inanities was challenged or poked fun at.
Let me set you straight. If you were sitting on a CNN talk panel and another MRA spokesman just tooled you on live air as you were making an anti-feminist point, that would be “firendly fire.”
But when I repeatedly tool you on an anonymous internet thread for being a liability to MRA movement, that’s called “training camp.”
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@Tyrone
Set PA straight about IMBRA please.
@PA
You argued with me once about IMBRA and you got your ass kicked.
You said that the Men’s Rights Movement would be better off concentrating on American men who married American women and got burned because that kind of guy would look more cool than the type of “loser” who would go overseas to meet a Russian woman.
That’s exactly what you said.
Tyrone and dozens of guys here would disagree with you.
That’s some “training camp” asshole.
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Jerry, the more you write, the less appealing MRA is to potential friendlies. It’s not just the substance of what you say, it’s in large part your style. Work on it.
That’s all, sweetheart.
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@PA
The Chateau, saying openly what he says on this blog, would also not be a great way for the MRM to make a great political splash on CNN.
However, you wouldn’t make a great rep either. If you are too afraid to say politically incorrect things anonymously, you’d probably be disastrously accommodating to the feminists if you held political power or tried representing the MRM in any public way.
People here know what you anonymously think. You’re liked as a social conservative by those who are OK with them, but you don’t rank high as an MRA.
You’re pro-IMBRA, socially conservative, more or less White Nationalist and personally hostile to men dating much younger women, especially if they go overseas.
That makes you more of a liability to the MRM but more politically correct with older American women.
A feminist-friendly troll @Ritmo whom others here regularly refer to as a “mangina” also has your opinion that the MRM should avoid discussing the issue of men dating much younger foreign women.
Many would disagree, but what is not debatable is that, of course it’s perfectly acceptable to discuss that issue on an anonymous blog.
Of course, much of what is said on this blog should not be repeated openly by MRAs on CNN.
One has to use more tact publicly.
Do you think any male would want to say on TV what the blogger just said about a 30 year old woman having been “ravaged by time”?
What the Chateau writes is meant to stay anonymous.
Obviously, no man over 30 in his right mind would get on CNN and say he prefers to date in the 18-21 range.
They’d say “Who do you think you are”.
Few men would dare do that.
What has pissed me off about you is that you don’t want that kind of talk done even anonymously.
Plus you’ve implied strongly that you want to anonymously win the hearts and minds of women who read this blog.
There’s no reason for that.
Fathers & Families is the public MRA organization that mainly only talks about child custody, because that is the most politically correct men’s rights issue.
Glenn Sacks leads F&F. He has written a lot of things that echo what I’ve written. But he doesn’t talk about this on CNN when he gets on because those other issues are not part of that platform.
Still, the meme needs to get out to the public what the true motivations for feminism are.
Example: If you can’t explain that feminism is mostly about stopping older men from dating younger women, other men will not understand the true motivation for most feminist laws.
Like you, they will think for instance that the IMBRA law was meant to protect foreign women from dangerous American men.
Try telling @Tyrone that you agree with IMBRA.
Try telling him that you’ve changed your mind and now disagree with IMBRA but still consider men who date foreign women to be more of an embarrassment than the beta clowns who lost their shirts in a divorce with an American woman.
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@PA
You disagree with IMBRA for Christ’s sake.
You probably think VAWA is OK as well.
Your mentality, for anyone who’s been able to see it, is antithetical to being an MRA.
You praised the coward in Germany who had two friends hold an innocent man down to castrate him when he should have just yelled at his daughter for having sex with someone he didn’t approve of.
You gloated over that in November.
You still gloat over it.
To you that was a major victory for social conservatism, certainly not men’s rights.
Of course you’re going to hate the substance and style of anyone who calls you on your general bad attitude toward men’s rights.
I’d gladly debate you on substance but you’re slippery. You say very little and launch a quick jab insult and that’s your entire style.
In the debate with @Tyrone above he used the style of discussing points at length and in detail.
I respected that. That was friendly fire.
You’re not interested in promoting men’s rights PA.
Don’t pretend you are.
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@PA
You called Xsplat a “sex tourist” before you realized that you didn’t want to be seen arguing with more than one guy and temporarily made nice with him.
Tim now wants to be a “sex tourist” in your eyes.
You know you believe this.
He wants to cruise the world for babes. You don’t like that one bit.
But you won’t say how you think now, because you know it wouldn’t look good for multiple guys to recognize you for what you are. You think you’re a white knight on a white horse.
You’ve got a slippery style PA.
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Jerry,
Why do you always try to get other men to do your fighting for you? That’s what girls do.
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PA refers to the time he argued that IMBRA was a good law and that the men’s rights movement would be better off not trying to repeal it because it would make the guys struggling to defeat bad US divorce laws look like the same kind of “losers” that go overseas to meet foreign women.
The argument ended when I showed him this Chateau post that proved he was full of shit:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/
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@Lara
Why does PA get women to do his fighting for him? That’s what girls do.
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“I’d gladly debate you on substance but you’re slippery.”
In other words you’re a lot smarter than me.
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Jerry, you’re wrong. If one of the Chateau writers went on CNN and spoke with the same verve for which his writing is notoriously famous, he’d make MRA look cool and its opponents look ridiculous. That would be a major score for MRA.
On the other hand, if someone else were to rant with borderline hysterics like you do, he’d damage the cause. In the battle of ideas and influencing policy, there is a few ways to win. One way is through generating first-rate intellectual output on the subject. Very few of us are equipped and disciplined to be another Devlin or Lionel Tiger or even a quality Spearhead writer.
Another way is through making normal, persuasive, rational arguments in venues like this one. You might think you do this, but you don’t.
One other way is through presenting a sexy, appealing public face. Here is where all of us can be assets or liabilities. If you represent yourself as an MRA activist or even someone who cares about the subject a lot, it’s very important that you do not trigger the mildly-interested and potentially-friendly observer’s wierdo-alert.
So let me return to the friendly way in which I spoke to you earlier, because I really do not have ill will toward you.
Your heart is in the right place. But your obsessive, effeminate, ranty points alienate people and perhaps unfairly, make you look bad. For all I know, you are a charming and smart guy. But you don’t come off that way. Advice: relax a little, if you’re writing something long and impassioned, save the draft and sleep on it because you are not good at coming across as persuasive or smart when under fire.
Don’t go to flame-wars over minute micro-policy crap no one cares about,and learn to pick your battles and let unimportant stuff roll off you. Before you post a shitslpat of long blah blah blah, trim and concentrate it. Brevity is the soul of wit.
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@PA
My comments get lifted and posted directly on other MRA/PUA blogs. Just on this thread alone, several men wrote to say they are big fans of what I write or that I always speak the truth to the low libido types.
On substance I have you beat PA.
You hide the fact that you are, in fact, pro-IMBRA and like the idea of violence against “cads”. You don’t belong here.
On CNN I’d calmly make the point that you’re pro-IMBRA and, therefore, a White Knight.
Most men in the TV audience would agree with me.
That’s a given. On substance, you can’t win.
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Jerry, I did notice your insight that the blog author(s) are taking both sides in the sex wars.
It is an interesting insight, but I don’t yet have a comment on it.
The way my mind works is that puzzle pieces just snap together and I see a whole big picture all at once. I don’t actually think. All I do read ideas and wait until I see a big picture. I don’t yet see any useful big picture about the blog author(s) stance that would add to your insightful comment.
It seems your writing style sometimes makes people diminish the value of some rough gems buried in your prose.
But regarding the sex wars, this is very early in our awakening to the fact that we have one. Sure, we’ve been talking about conservative versus liberal social agendas for years, but I think it’s now coming into clearer focus, thanks to me, that people have innate styles that are literally at war.
This war is not something we can fix with understanding or smooth talk. These agendas truly are at odds, and this is a resource war over women. Something worth fighting over.
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Jerry,
PA is not a feminist by any measure and he is very realistic about women. He has challenged me a couple times on my moderately feminist views. I’m guessing you and him would agree on a lot of things. That’s why I don’t understand why you are making an enemy out of him.
Also, many men probably aren’t overly concerned about this law you keep referring to because because it doesn’t impact their lives that much, even if it is unfair or doesn’t make sense. All of us are subject to silly laws at one time or another and your situation isn’t special so keep that in mind.
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@Lara
It is true that I should have just let it slide when PA wrote on Saturday that “older childless males are just less ethical than we married men are”. That could have been ignored along with his childish taunts of “you’re retarded”.
Live and learn.
But PA is a White Knighter whom the Chateau should have challenged long ago.
IMBRA only means something now as a measuring tool to see if someone is on the right side or not.
PA is the only male heterosexual on this blog who has ever stated that he was in agreement with IMBRA.
That’s like a bullshit meter going into the red zone.
While it’s nothing to lose one’s cool over, the fact remains that smart MRAs will challenge a pro-IMBRA “MRA” who comes across as Cool Hand Luke.
@Xsplat
If there is more than one author, that might be the problem. It would mean the new one(s) don’t understand MRA issues and cares more about whether one side in a debate uses “short quick jabs” or not.
The issue with PA is on substance, not style.
He really doesn’t like men who go overseas to date/game beautiful young women. That’s “unethical” to him.
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@Lara
In short, White Knighters are not officially feminists and often speak harshly against them.
But then they turn around and choose the exact policies that would impress older women, pedestalize them and make themselves look better than other men. They focus for instance on getting millions of men on the “sex offender list” and raising the age of consent and forcing background checks for men who go on dating sites and they gladly go into the Marriage 2.0 system while ignoring the PUA/MRA warnings not to. Then they taunt those who won’t marry and call them “sex tourists”.
PA fits the bill for this.
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“But focus on the tiny details, fix them one by one, and suddenly a new man appears before you, almost like magic.”
Learning to mature from a boy to a man from the inside out fixes the big details, the small ones will then disappear on their own. It’s better than fixing the outward signs of masculinity, because it is 100% genuine and lasts forever. The confidence you get does not only come from facing your fears with women or getting pleasant responses, it comes from within which is even more valuable.
“Knowing this, learning game is practically a vital imperative.”
I would say this: Knowing this, learning [to be a mature man] is practically a vital imperative.
Game implies play. Playing is an activity. Being a man is not, it is who you are or what you become. It comes from the mind, heart, and soul.
Learn what a man is, then learn about yourself. It is every male’s destiny to become a man and a human being, and it must be through a conscious effort. You won’t learn it by learning game, though it may definitely help.
[Editor: If you bristle at the word game, then substitute charisma. Same thing. Chicks dig it, and men want to be digged by chicks. Even “real men”.]
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xsplat:
“Chi, I am shocked that you’ve been reading this blog for so long and have not come to understand that women select for men who do not select for monogamy.”
Women select for men who are powerful. It has nothing to do with your ideology or any of this evo-psych baggage, or monogamy versus polygamy or what have you.
You know it is possible to love one woman above others but not be slavishly subjugated to your idea of her. And dilluting slavishness into myriad tyrants doesn’t equal freedom (just ask Americans: 20,000 denominations and still no one has come back to drag them into heaven).
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I was almost in the exact same situation when I was his age, except my dad was an ex-alpha who’d been beaten into a beta by an immense and relentless shit-test onslaught by my mother. As such though, he harbored a lot of resentment that sent him a bit sociopathological. This was much to regret of the 5 separate human entities he had created with the harpy and had a life-time obvious moral duty to look after.
To the dude who wrote this in: take this great advice if it wasn’t already obvious to you.
…I wish there was something like this around when I was your age.
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[…] of the book is typical “deadbeat dad left me with mom and I’m angry,” but the opposite is also toxic. Of course, both father and son benefit for having somebody get the Lamestream Media brainwashing […]
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448 comments!!!
Shows what a chord this one struck!
A great post.
I’m gay, in Dublin Ireland but I love the Chateau because of its strength as a study of masculinity and men’s lives. The bit re. game is only part of it, altho it’s taught me that, as a fag, I’ve always had highest alpha game without even knowing it
🙂
Fags are lethal when it comes to customer service – “roll up, roll up, gather round ye merry folk of Dublin, because I am going to make a scene …”
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