It’s also a fantastic game technique. As women are the gatekeepers to sex, it is implicitly understood that they will be the ones to choose when and where to give it up, and men, for the most part, fall in line with this implied narrative accordingly. And that is why they fail. But flip the script on women — that is, be the one to play hard to get, and the one to be coy about the chance for sex — and you will have mindfucked your seduction target so thoroughly she will find herself, against all her natural proclivities, working hard for your sexual lavishment.
Reader “Alpha Newb” emails:
I came across your blog about 3 wks. ago and I’m fully convinced it’s the best thing on the web for males. My only regret is that I didn’t come across this damn thing about 10 years ago when it could have really helped me in high school. Anyways, I’m a young male in my upper 20’s with a mix of beta and alpha qualities (now I’ve finally found ways to weed out the beta) and I wanted to share a success story after spending a couple weeks on your site:
My g/f and I were in a fight and then made up. She started kissing me and I told her I didn’t feel like messing around, given everything that had happened earlier. She said ok and the night went on as normal. A few hours later she went into her room and came out in nothing but a thong, jumped on top of me, and started making out with me. Now this is where I would have normally given in but taking things I had learned from this site I stuck with what I had told her earlier. I pushed her off and told her she needed to respect my earlier decision not to get physical that night. She gave a bunch of typical whinny girl pleas until she finally gave up, whimpering and defeated. When I was about to leave she finally let me in on what was going on in her head and here is what she said word for word:
“I’m just afraid you’re going to leave here feeling really empowered and I just don’t like that.”
Seriously, her words.
Need I say more…
no, but two days later when I saw her again she was begging for it like never before and I gave it to her and she enjoyed it multiple times. The hamster had been in full sprint mode for two days and I could tell.
I am in debt to you my friend for your wisdom.
My g/f is as well for the multiple orgasms.
-Alpha Newb
Also, one more question, if a girl finds out you are running systemized game on her, is it systemized game over?
The empowered line is probably her hamster rationalizing why she felt hornier when you denied her sex. The underlying ancestral ape-brain reason has to do with your value shooting through the roof vis-á-vis her value, and how that dynamic arouses her beyond anything she had thought possible. She didn’t want to have sex with you to regain hand, at least not subconsciously; she wanted sex with you because your upper hand inflamed her desire.
It’s not entirely a rationalization, though. Women do feel worry — something akin to dread — when their lovers show signs of sexual apathy. A woman’s main relationship currency is her vagina and her looks. When those go, so goes the relationship if the man has any sort of dating market options at all. (If she has him legally tied and bound in the straitjacket of marriage, the relationship can linger for decades in an asexual limbo.) A man who has the presence of mind and the cool as fuck calm to deny sex to his GF is a man who, in her hamster-fueled mind, is halfway out the door, or even fucking some strange on the side.
Women, in other words, feel most empowered — and thus most secure — in an unmarried relationship only so long as they inspire uncontrollable lust in their men. A man who is on the fence with his sexual desire, or a man who seems marginally committed to investing his emotional and physical payload — that is, a man who has supernatural stoic control of his lust — can extract all kinds of kinky sexual concessions from his woman. See: Story of O.
Given that, there is reason for women to want to maintain sexual hand in a relationship. While young slender women generally have options (if not an inclination) to fuck around profligately with any available loser, men don’t have that sort of readily exchangeable sexual barter. So a man who impresses upon a woman that he has options — through the game tactics of takeaways, push/pull, jealousy plotlines or sex denying — sets himself apart from the mass of men, and instills an excruciating level of worry, and lust, in his lover.
Denying women sex is a huge DHV. It’s also one of the simpler ways to instantly raise your value relative to her. So why do so few men avail themselves of this technique? The answer goes beyond mere horniness. Men are conditioned from pre-birth to play the roles of pleasers, toadies, wish fulfillers, suckups, courters, suitors, impressers, approval seekers and ego assuagers when relating to attractive girls. From the first strand of DNA, men have an innate compulsion to “win” women over. To win their approval, their admiration, their pats on the back. It is difficult not only to recognize this compulsion within each of us, but to upend it and do exactly the opposite.
And yet doing the opposite will get you more sex with hotter women. It is one of the weirdest paradoxes of humanity. Do you want to be one of those lapdogs begging for scraps from “empowered” women, or do you want women tripping over themselves trying to please you sexually? Have you made your decision for Lucifer yet? Then deny your GF, your date, your wife sex. Not all the time, of course. But enough times to keep her in a perpetual state of anxiety and heightened arousal.
There are many ways to capture the essence of denying sex without actually turning a girl down for sex as she’s straddling you in a thong. For instance:
– Cut dates short. Always end dates before the girl does.
– Get her lubed up with make-outs and finger banging, then stand up and announce you have to leave to get up early for a business trip in the morning. Watch the shocked look of unresolved horniness plaster her face. She’ll offer anal before close of the fourth date.
– “Not right now, I’ve got a headache.” It’s doubly effective when men use this line.
– Tell her you’re going to fuck her when you get home, and then forget to do it.
– And the most brutal sex denying method?
…
…wait for it…
……waaaaaaaait for it………
Abruptly stop banging her right in the middle of sex. Tell her you’re tired of fucking and you need some rest. Or don’t say anything at all. Just… stop. And roll over to sleep. Don’t sound spiteful. Everything is done matter-factly. This will fry her brain. Her hamster will be thinking about what it all means for months, maybe years.
Naturally, the above require a dose of self-discipline that many men either don’t have, or have never bothered to cultivate. Men’s horniness is leagues more intense and instantaneous than women’s, though women can reach greater heights of horniness with the right lover and given enough fulfilled preconditions. But hey, if you want to succeed at this game, a little sacrifice means a greater reward down the road.
To the emailer’s question:
I’ve never known a girl to leave because she found out she was gamed into bed. If anything, they become more aroused and intrigued by such knowledge.

Absolutely, this is a powerful technique. Denying her sex is the polar opposite of neediness. And the more they come on to you the more condescending and detached you must be until they are one white hot fiery ball of sexual desire.
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This explains so much of why my ex would start worrying about us during those times I honestly was too tired to bang. It really, really got her hamster spinning and I would get texts later like are you ok? is everything alright?
Mindfuck, indeed.
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Abruptly stop banging her right in the middle of sex. Tell her you’re tired of fucking and you need some rest.
This definitely works. I get bored of most girls rather quickly, and this is probably the reason I fucked around so much. One manifestation of my penis ADHD is that I would suddenly stop mid-coitus and tell the girl I was too tired. I just got bored of them. I never told them that of course, but they could probably tell.
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Slightly off topic (and probably posted here before), but:
http://dokdotimes.blogspot.com/2010/12/woman-admits-new-foreign-husband-may-be.html
She WANTS a Korean man, but does not want him to be Korean. She wants a guy more alpha than the ‘losers’ in her home country, but she wants him to ‘man up’ and take on Korean responsibilities that benefit her exclusively. If he were to do this, she would quickly find him ‘boring’ as her Korean men, quit having sex with him, and go fuck another ‘exciting foreign alpha’ (though this guy would almost certainly be beta over here).
Look upon this article men, and tremble in despair…game is your only hope. Female hypergamy and its associated rationalization hampster knows no boundaries. ALL women are subject to this nature, and this article is just more proof of the same.
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Very thought-provoking post.
I’m kicking myself for not doing exactly this with one particular girl in my Gameless past.
I even thought about it at the time, but didn’t have the balls to follow it through.
Betas are so afraid of having their bluff called its unreal. Every girl is the last girl on the planet to a beta.
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Very true premise –
Back in college, over the summer, was doing a 3-month fling with a girl 4 years my senior back home (myself 19, she 23), and on our last night hanging out together I specifically told her up front before we got back to my place….
“I don’t want to f tonight”
(At the time, I was def more beta than I am now, and this line was inspired more so by lovey dovey emotional feelings).
She got PISSED. I was literally stunned by how mad she got…I thought, don’t women just want to be cuddled all the time?????!
Anyway, fast forward to next summer… whew, on demand bj’s, happy taking facials, wearing outfits whatever. Not saying it was just this one instance of denial, but damn…watch that hamster go!!!
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@ Diabolos http://dokdotimes.blogspot.com/2010/12/foreigner-admits-new-wife-may-be-really.html
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Damn, got fooled, heheheh. Ah well.
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Women, in other words, feel most empowered — and thus most secure — in an unmarried relationship only so long as they inspire uncontrollable lust in their men.
Security for married women as well… any hint that the husband isn’t in the mood/doesn’t seem as “passionate” (physical indicators down there)/not as into it is suuuuper disconcerting.
I learned about the importance of focusing on how much he wants to do it with me, how aroused he is with me, and how frequently he is that way by reading this blog and similar ones.
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Psy Ops indeed!
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I’d imagine that if he’s denying her from a position of strength, not one of weakness (meaning, he’s depressed because of some personal difficulties or something) matters as well.
A man who won’t because he “can’t” may not have the same effect… if that’s perceptible.
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RE: “a man who has supernatural stoic control of his lust”.
Another means to this end (without the need for supernatural control of lust) is: be fucking several girls.
Your lust is kept manageable this way (never really controlled), making it so much easier to deny sex to any one girl (a fantastic game approach in my experience).
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This happened to me. I was so disgusted with a relationship I had, I was sick of women. I went cold turkey. So what happened was they came on even harder. It is my duty to report its true.
I think every man should try going celibate for any length of time. It might be strong medicine, but what happens is women really are of little potential use to you. Play up this attitude. After this lesson has been learned, keep the attitude.
You don’t even have to quit. You will know when. The time to quite being celibate for me was when this girl was after the forbidden fruit. She later asked me if I had done this as a tactic(this was well before “game”). She said if it was, it really worked.
Its amazing, read this blog over the weekend, or hear my life story in my 20s.
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this game tatical tool is present litterally in quoran
like many other tools ( the frame of the man is the leader and
the one allways in charge , the right to slap your wife or female slaves )
even the fact that females are more likely to lie .
the right of man to marry more than one wife
a woman cannot divorce
you should read it roissi
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A game I usually play is to pull out mid sex, and then tell her that if she wants it again, she has to ask/beg me for it, in a nice (submisive) way.
Just now I realize what I am doing there, kind of like stating the fact that its not me using her vagina, but me letting her use my penis.
And it also helps to set the tone for the rest of the interactions in the relationship.
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You know what else works? Stopping mid-coitus and saying “I’m not going to be able to cum”.
Cue hamster!
Mack
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I deny women sex all the time by staying home at the computer instead of socializing. Strangely enough, I don’t see them find me any more attractive because of that.
[Editor: Funny.But you first have to get them out on a date before dropping the sex denial bomb (SDB).]
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We need to distinguish asexual or unable to get laid or it’s just that at that moment in time she is not doing it for you and keeping your interest.
Game: You like to have sex, you are hugely sexual, but despite this you do not want to have sex with her.
But what if she’s actually very insecure about you already? Don’t you run the risk of substantially overgaming, or does it depend on the extent of her masochism?
[Editor: Any of the advice given on this blog could potentially result in overgaming if the man is dating a clinically depressed and insecure hot girl (rare) or he’s dating 2 or more points below himself on the SMV scale (not as rare). But then, why would any man want game advice for picking up ugly chicks he could get in his sleep?]
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i do something akin to Charles F in terms of a re-frame of her using my dick, not me using her pussy. i have tried outright denial and this is fun/effective, but i think what works even better is to take it one more step to the extreme.
Many times when i fuck my chick she might cum up to 3 times before i do once. she’s pissed she can’t get me off like i get her off. When we were first going out, i would let her try to finish me off with a bj, which she sucked at. The way i made her try harder to please me is by making no bones about busting out the lotion and finishing myself in bed in front of her. i have only pulled out once during sex to ignore her and finish with lotion, though.
i let her know that it’s still getting done whether she did it or not and that she is not essential to the process of my pleasure, while i am inextricable to hers. add to the fact she knows i’m fucking other girls.
result: blowjobs all the time without asking, lingerie all the time without asking, kama sutra kits designed for my pleasure etc. if she actually had the talent to combine with the dedication she might have beenw worth keeping around
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Mack-
“You know what else works? Stopping mid-coitus and saying “I’m not going to be able to cum”. ”
Bingo.
I discovered this by complete accident 23 years ago; I’d had a few dates with a woman, and she had been holding off a bit on the sex thing; 3rd and 4th dates she volunteered excuses, and I charitably offered her one more chance, only because she was kind of hottish. Once we were doing it, my big head wasn’t in it; I boffed her for a good 45 minutes straight, but I just couldn’t reach release with this woman, though it appeared she was having a delightful time. I told her some bs about not being quite comfortable with her yet, and that since I had an important meeting the following morning(true), I had to leave.
Next morning, she calls multiple times at my office. When we finally spoke, she asked if it were possible for me to see her ASAP. I told her I had no time in my schedule until Saturday morning, and she showed up at my door at about 9AM and immediately attacked.
Post-coitally, still on my living room floor, she volunteered that the day she was calling me at work, she had never been so painfully horny in her life.
Subsequently, I have tried the same thing intentionally on other women with very similar results. This tactic really, really messes with women’s heads.
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This is great LTR game, BTW.
Works like a magic charm.
Magically.
How observant of the old CR.
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for married women as well… any hint that the husband isn’t in the mood/doesn’t seem as “passionate” (physical indicators down there)/not as into it is suuuuper disconcerting.
Nah.
Let me know how you feel in 15 years when your husband, like 90% of American husbands, no longer wants to fuck his cow of a wife. Like 90% of American wives married over a decade, you won’t give a shit.
Women have to be BENEATH (literally & figuratively) a man to feel insecurity.
The problem is that modern marriage elevates women ABOVE men.
A woman married to a man of equal socio-economic status feels free to leave at any time WITHOUT incurring any loss.
On the other hand, a woman married to a man of higher socio-economic status also feels free to leave at any time WITHOUT incurring any loss thanks to the invention of alimony.
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So this is the George Costanza genius theory of game?
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Heh, just read the last ~6 posts that I missed because I was away. This blog took a step up in the last month. Good job author(s?), both this post and the one about fathers are greatly motivating.
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How about not coming during sex? Making her aware of it discreetly.
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I’ve found it effective to, after getting her off, withdraw and tell her, “I choose to conserve my chi” or something along those lines. That way you come off as virile, potent and in total control of the situation.
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Let’s face it: the word “empowered” is stupid obnoxious PC-speak.
Kind of reminds me of this one song called “The word homophobic is gay”.
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@AskJoe, George Constanza was ahead of his time implementing several forms of game. Most notably using as picture of a super hottie and saying it was his deceased wife as social proof. Well played George, well played.
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The girl I am in relationship with is deciding on which college to attend next year. She has to choose between either staying at home (live with parents) or moving out (dorms). Staying at home means she will live much closer to me, hanging out more often, and so on. Moving out means we will see each other rarely.
She’s been asking my opinion on where she should go and I told her straight out that I would prefer that she stays at home, hinting at the idea that moving out will make things more difficult between us. I wasn’t all sappy – none of the “baby i’ll miss you forever etc,” statements. Just firmly stated my position. I am trying to handle it like her decision won’t affect me much – ie stay aloof.
Am I handling it right? Anything else I could do?
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Good article on Dan Savage:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2011/1103.dueholm.html
The author responds to some criticisms here:
http://bigthink.com/ideas/31549
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A big problem with the Dan Savage type libertarian sexual ethics is that we essentially live in an unregulated sexual market with all the market failures that go along with such things.
Plus there something even worse about the sexual marketplace as compared to other markets in that it is largely zero sum. Hence the competition for mates is going to be particularly vile.
Also the article doesn’t even mention hypergamy.
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la via onyx aka lovsexbea–
Yes.
As well the more the guy give her strongly dominant great sex, and the more highly sexed she is, the better this will work.
I think a better technique to ordinarily use is to tease her about denying her, then eventually give in when she’s been sexy / flirty / accommodating enough. Builds her desire big time. A great way to tease a girl is to flip the gender switch on her. Say the kinds of things girls say to guys to deny sex.
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“Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.” –Jack D. Ripper 🙂
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to the man who was,
i agree. that article only tells half the story. a wider view can be deduced from
1. http://www.womensinfidelity.com is a case study done by a woman on marriages. she found that women’s relationships go through predicatable stages and that these stages can be linked to the high female divorce initiation rate. Women are divorcing more because they are cheating more, even though Savage would claim the opposite.
2. this site http://therawness.com/anatomy-of-female-power-download-and-discussion-page/
clearly demonstrates how women benefit from these predictable cycles
and
3. F. Roger Devlin explains that the economic reality of marriage, past and present, favors women. Read his Home Economics pts. 1-10 for the most enlightened view i have ever discovered on this subject.
http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/articles-by-f-roger-devlin/
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Word. After divorce, I did this inadvertently, because I really was wanting to take some time off from sex, and at the time wanted to date several women at once before settling down to a sex relationship. This drove the two women I was dating bananas. One was grinding on me in public at a freakin’ family festival/outing, the other exploded in orgasm the very second I penetrated her when I finally “gave in”.
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Of course, “Denying Women Sex Is Psychologically Lethal” – so that’s why I have an unsurpassed record of applying my Lifesaving Love – it’s to help the poor creatures. Doctor’s Hours are: this weekend…
MOUT
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Rox,
When she gets to college she’ll dump you to die the cock carosel. Seen it happen many times – guys do it to ride the vagina dodgems too.
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LOL I’ve only done this once. And not really for the sake of doing it. I remember when me and an ex shared a computer years ago and I recently bought a Digital Audio Workstation for it (Reason 3.0)…
I was tinkering on it the night we got it when she came out of the bedroom asking me if I ‘wanted to play’.
I said I’d ‘be right there’…
…and well, didn’t come to bed for a good few hours after that. Ha ha.
I don’t know if it made her more worked up sexually or not. I do remember her bringing it up in conversation with me and someone else some days later saying she felt ‘rejected’. She seemed to find it kinda funny though.
That’s all the feedback I got. Not sure what to make of it…
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When I was a 16 year old emo kid I got invited to this hot girl friend’s house. She invited 2 of her friends, a couple, and 1 other girl who I knew, the target. The host introduced us by saying “I believe you know her…”. The hot invitee proceeded to very willingly not notice how much vodka were in her screwdrivers (cocktail) and got “drunk”. She then started to hug me while we were watching movies. We went into the hosts bedroom for some reason. We cuddled there. She kept trying to kiss me and I kept denying her because she was taking it too quickly. Several times the host nonchalantly barged into her bedroom where we cuddling and picking something up and left. Most of the times she came in she would say something like “there are condoms in the drawer” and the invitee would say “IM NOT HAVING SEX TONIGHT” and I found this all to be hilarious. Keep in mind I didnt actually want to have sex at all, I was still judging this girl. I was pure natural alpha emo kid. Believe it. I kept pushing this girl away and she kept trying to kiss me more and more. Eventually she left. I think there was a lift down to the bottom floor or something where she got off and walked to her parents car. Before she got out she took me by surprise and gave me a very short kiss, basically a lunge at me. Lol.
Later on in the night when the other people left I slept in the host’s bedroom, with her. She obviously noticed what had happened with the other girl but I dont think we talked about it.
She said “do you want to spoon?” and I said okay. I actually just remembered that then, I havent thought about this night for years. She got really close to me and tried to kiss me. I told her I wouldnt kiss her, or I acted like it, or she knew about my values or something. She got on top of me and put her lips to mine and still I wouldnt kiss her. Ha. She was extremely suggestive. She said things like she mentioned some guy she had sex with and said “he wasnt able to satisfy me”. I said hmm. Lol. So thats about it.
I knew that I could have laid them both on the night, but I didnt feel like it. I actually didnt want to.
Keep in mind both of these girls were hot, like cutting edge fashion hot. The host of the girl worked at a high end department store. When she walked down the road in the city with me, all of the office men on their cigarette breaks turned and ogled her. Well thats my story. Back to studying.
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Where was that post you made about telling the girl you were seducing her at that moment, in a restaurant, explaining every detail of why and how it worked, yet she just agreed and went with it?
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Rox –
When I was in high school, I dated a cheerleader since the winter of our junior year until graduation. She was a great girl, but I knew it couldn’t last. With each of us going to different universities things would get difficult and ugly. I broke up with her right after graduation to enjoy a few summer flings and to be ready to start fresh and unattached in the fall. My school was only 80 miles/130km from hers, so we could have stayed together and seen each other often, but I chose not to. That was one of the best decisions of my young life.
Tell her that you want her to make the decision that is best for her, regardless of your relationship. To you, it doesn’t matter what her decision will be, the result for your relationship will be the same. Start working on gaming other women and break up with her after graduation. Give her time to get over it and move on before school starts.
I know this is tough to hear, but when she is in school next fall, the following is going to happen, whether she is living at home where it is still very likely, or in the dorms where it is a sure thing. She is going to be that girl that protests having a boyfriend, but will still bang the guy who gives her tingles and later confess to you “it just happened”. It won’t be the first guy she meets, but it will eventually happen, even if your relationship is super-strong. As a student of game, you know this. You don’t want to be that guy.
I know this is hard to hear, easy to say, but hard to do. Take what you learned from this relationship and apply it to your next one. Be the guy that leaves for fresher pastures. Don’t get stuck with oneitis, if you do, that will kill what you have anyway. She will always have a special place in your heart (I’ll never forget my girl), but staying with her while she goes off to university will hurt you much more than having the balls to say goodbye now and telling her it is the best thing for both of you.
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Rox,
Ignore Flahute’s advice. If she’s still living at home, you can still make a go of things for a while longer. Besides, having a girlfriend already can be used to leverage other girls while on campus: Preselection, the oldest trick in the book.
If she goes away, then that may be a different story: Just use your sense to see if she’s still your girl. If she loses interest, then premptively ditch her.
And avoid one-itis, because it’s a killer. Can make an omega of any man.
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Related to Roissy’s advice of stopping sex in the middle of it, when eating her, stop just before you feel her cumming. Don’t stop licking, just kiss the inside of her thighs, and other areas around the clit.
Once she calms down again, work on the clit and other arousal areas.
Rinse and repeat. The more you do this before taking her over the edge, the greater her release, more sustained, more relieved she will be, the more additional orgasms she will have.
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RedClown –
Rox sounds like a genuine guy who really likes his girl and is looking for advice possibly because he has no other informed advisor in his life to ask. Don’t spew the platitudes you’ve read about game such as pre-selection and oneitis and expect that to render as advice. I’d rather you tell us your past experiences in a similar situation and what you learned from them. I’ve seen guys who have tried to keep high school relationships alive with girls who went away to university and watched them get burned and I’m glad I knew enough to avoid that fate.
Also, simply saying you have a girlfriend elsewhere is not going to get you the “pre-selection” effect that you expect. That was your tell. Your advice to keep hitting it reeks of neediness.
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This works,
It made my wife give me oil massages, strip dance for me, getting sexy underwear, keep an eye on her weight etc
I recommend it
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Ahh yes, denying sex can be an extremely powerful tool. Can make for some seriously interesting nights, too. I remember turning down an offer to go back to one chick’s place and watching her completely lose her shit in the middle of a crowded bar. Two bouncers dragged her kicking and screaming out into the alley. Probably best that I *didn’t* fuck that psycho.
Can’t say I’ve ever stopped mid-bang, though I did stop (and left her apartment) in the middle of a blowjob one night (after she spent seemingly half the night trying to tease me with how good her BJs were). It really is one hell of a mindfuck.
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Thanks for replies guys.
Both of you got my situation right: I do really like her and I really dont have no one else to give me advice in life. One-itis might be a problem.
I’ve thought on what I can do in this situation and decided to just let things unfold on its own. If she stays – we’ll see if we can make it last, if not, then I’ll wave goodbye and say *adios*, though it will be hard.
Now, when breaking up, is it ok to say LJBF? Or is burning all bridges a better idea?
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My god I thought I was the only one who did this on purpose with women. Personally I take the not cumming a little further and blow her mind by saying to the girl “you know maybe I’m just losing that connection with you” this is most effective after a week of no loads inside her. That sentence right there has sent many a girl into a tizzie. Couple this with increased flirting with waitresses and checkout girls and you won’t believe the compliance you get.
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Rox,
This one you have to let go. She will be f’ing and sucking soon after arriving at school. That’s the nature of the beast. Don’t take it personally.
And there is never a reason to “just be friends” with a young girl when it’s finished — that just keeps her in your mind.
Here’s a strange and crucial fact. Women are unsentimental to a degree that shocks the few men who ever realize it. They “move on” from sexual relationships as naturally as a lion moves on a gazelle.
Men, alas, are different. Men are lion-hearted rather than tiger-clawed. They suffer from strong, violent emotion and need. They love with passion and become obsessed with that one girl.
Not all men. But many of the thoughtful, kind, type of men who post here.
Try to understand these things now while you’re very young. Try to *enjoy* the girls. Do not take them too seriously. You have nothing but time.
Good luck.
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True.
It’s the whole walking away thing.
Last night I got home with the girl I was seeing after a party.
We had both had a few drinks and were making out.
I gamed her with some neg. She turned around and walked out—expecting me to follow.
I went up to my flat, changed. 5 minutes later she buzzed to come up.
Nothing was mentioned about her little counter-game and my walking away. She banged me.
The point of my story is any willingness to walk away or not go into her frame raises your value.
Nothing else needs to be said in these scenarios.
Just walking away, cutting it off or whatever.
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Eh, I’m not gonna deny myself anything. A facial she gets and when she starts getting flaky, I’ll find another hole. That pussy ain’t free, so get out before the bill cums due.
And for all you young guys– really, don’t get married. To a judge, a prenup is a piece of paper signed under duress. It won’t protect you.
You want kids? Hire a surrogate. That’s million dollar advice given for free. Really.
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This site is pure Gold from space.
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As a sociopath that doesn’t really experience sex like you do, I totally agree with this notion. It is def a powerful game tool to deny sex or stop sex midway, it decimates self-esteems and cause suicides.
I made so many girls a stalker after stopping midway through raw dog anal.
Girls have absolutely no clue or game to deal with a man that has total control over their sex drive and can be aloof midway through “passionate” sex.
Anyways, R is there a nice way of rejecting girls in womanese? I don’t want to use the cliche lets just be friends.. because they still pursue me through friendship and I don’t want any female friends. The gay line doesn’t work either maybe I should tell them I have AIDS and have a two inch gherkin.
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More scientific evidence.
Mares attempt to confuse paternity of their offspring. If they can’t, they tend to spontaneously abort rather than rear a foal that is likely to be killed by a male.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9440000/9440222.stm
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An extremely powerful technique is pretending to have ED for like 15 minutes or so when you are both naked for the first time with each other.
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This needs to be done very early on. It always works due to 2 reasons: she wants to work hard to please you, and then does so… or she doesn’t work hard at all and you can ditch.
First time sex, if she’s not working magic, I stop after I’ve given her a glimpse. It’s important to make sure she removes your clothes outside of her bedroom so when you go get a glass of water after she fails, you come back dressed and quenched and ready to leave.
If she IS working her magic, just do this the first time she doesn’t. I never explain why, except on rare events when I might say “I can do it better alone.” I’m not wasting the energy on a woman who doesn’t show complete focus on my needs, there’s ten more living in her apartment building who would jump at the chancee.
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@A B Dada
Now that’s what I call a Dutch treat.
I can imagine anywhere else how many posts to follow would declare you a selfish asshole. Yet, I also imagine a woman complaining that she should have her needs met or she will just role over and go to sleep with just as much approval.
Woman and selfish lover is practically a redundant statement.
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Off topic, but I remember a long while back where a guy was talking about problems getting it up. I had/have these problems but now I’ve got an answer that doesn’t involve pills. So dude, if you’re still reading and suffering, here’s what is working for me:
Work out your leg muscles twice a week with an emphasis on your thighs. Top it off by running for at least 2 consecutive miles two times every three days. After doing this for three weeks, I’ve gotten some very noticable improvement.
Simple answers, right?
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“I’m just afraid you’re going to leave here feeling really empowered and I just don’t like that.”
What means “to leave here feeling really empowered”?
How the word are connected? Or maybe “here” means “now”?
A more decent version of English for non English people (probably the sole ones knowing that language rules)?
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you aren’t really a man until you’ve said no to sex with a model. doing this will change your psyche forever… and be sure to relate this story in a non boastful, non eager, humorous contextual manner to dozens of women thereafter, dropping the DHV H-bomb.
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Does this work with Russian women? In many ways they are a game of their own. My girl right now got angry at me for phoning when she was busy.
So she quit answering the phone. After a few days I quit bothering to call, except once every few days. Now a week between the last attempt.
She is committed to me in a civil marriage there in Russia, but is playing a control game for some reason, I believe. So should I finally give up and phone her, or just wait her out?
I have supported her financially, but when this started the money stopped also. So she’s running out of money, or will very soon.
How about some comments for game with Russian girls and the odd Russian culture?
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Funny blog… It’s not a bad advise, it works somehow, but as a woman I have to caution the guys that it can also backfire. The key is probably level of arousal of the woman and availability of other males.
Couple of years ago I was dating a guy that would pass for “alpha” (whatever you call it here) and we were about to go to a party that night. He made me wear K-balls and a small butt-plug under my dress with no underwear and heels that are slightly higher than what I usually wear – that description is important to understand the level of arousal I was in till we reach the party.
Of course it works like magic and of course denying sex (3 times in the taxi) sends a girl into new dimensions of desire. But… one long corridor later + 5 stair steps … the door to the party opens and there is a sea of testosterone. No man looked too old or too bald at that moment. My guy of course after 5min leaves me to go to chat with these ladies over there and then another flock of hens right next to them. At the same time I have to make a sensible conversation with some of his friends without blinking, because if I close my eyes… well, things get graphical.
“Are you holding up, kiddo?” he said
“Kiddo needs a popsicle IMMEDIATELY or will start making out with the door”
He left laughing and I got that poor idiot in the toilet and well… we did what we did. And yes, it was mind-blowing great and I didn’t tell my guy about it and had sex with him after the party and yes, it was still great. Told him when I left him and he threw a glass at me, but that’s a different story.
Guys, just don’t overdo it! a little bit, from time to time is fine, spices things up, but more than this… not healthy.
Ladies, if you end up in a situation like mine, one advice – SIT DOWN if you can, it makes it easier. Walking and dancing? well, only if you can handle public orgasms
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I did this by accident a couple years ago to a girl I met at my mate’s house. It turned out that she was certifiably insane and I ended up having to get a restraining order since she started texting me death threats. Don’t deny dick to crazy.
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I was really hoping for some sort of “We were wrong, turns out *insert beta actions here* are the real way to get women, and they really are smarter than we think” April Fools joke…
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Chi-town: I’m in Chicago myself, whereabouts you hail from?
The women I spend time with know from the get-go what my needs are. They also know that there is competition for my time. If they aren’t turned on by that fact, they’re all free to date a dupe or schmuck. Chicago has plenty of weak gonadless boys ripe for the picking.
I had some bad sex recently, and you better believe I didn’t find my happy ending. I can’t even begin to comprehend under what bait I’d go back for another try.
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BigGuy: April 1st was yesterday, so I’m assuming you’re not kidding.
1. Why are you calling her, ever? Or texting, emailing, Facebook messaging? Stop 100%. Don’t call except to say “I’m picking you up tomorrow at 7pm.”
2. Why are you financially supporting her? Is she mentally retarded? A female can earn her own way. No man should support a woman financially in this day and age. Support your kids, support a dutiful housewife who knows her roles and supports your needs, but any other woman should take care of herself.
3. Where are all your other women?
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Tes – my kind of girl.
My last serious mate would have public orgams every time we went out. Especially in the grocery checkout line, for some reason.
Sigh…
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@BigGuy
Sounds like you have already beta-ed out big time.
Calling her multiple times when she doesn’t answer? Entering a civil-marriage? Supporting her financially?
What the fuck are you doing? Read the archives and bail on that shit ASAP.
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Spring Alert
Get ur ass ontosome online dating site
Spring is officially here and hind-brains of all female mammals are seeking a full mating.
I wont deny it Dec-Feb are horrific for dating & esp. online dating as Women feel totally OK watching MaMa Mia reruns.
But come sunshine they hear their youngun slut competition moaning it up and want some.
I had to dip into reserves and go back to babes from Aug-Oct. Not bad as one was 27 and another 30 with bikini bodies.
Nevertheless I get an inbound email for margaritas for tonight on a 50 mass email I sent out this 10am.
That aint happening in any club, bar, mixed-party…she is blond, 29, and a babe
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Woody Allen did that too once – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PPGw4TrmPc
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^ and that’s television. real life isn’t television or scripted. women do OPPOSITE of what you see on television. so you see her all pissed/confrontational in that clip, in life you’d see her eyes glaze over as her hamster spins.
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So in this case, should a woman randomly reject a guy’s booty calls to heighten his sexual interest in her? Is the reverse the best counterattack?
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@BigGuy:
Sitting here drinking bad coffee in SE Asia, and your post almost had the stuff shooting out of my nose.
Woke up the Filipina next to me and made her read your post. Now she’s laughing at you too.
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One evening my friends sponsored me for an evening at a strip-club. And then then of my friends told these ladies that I was still a virgin. Those strippers could not leave me alone. Now I can understand why.
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Moneypenny: NO!
We’ll go get pussy elsewhere. Next!
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There’s not much else a woman can do. Good to be unpredictable, keep a guy on his toes and use him for sex.
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@BigGuy
“How about some comments for game with Russian girls and the odd Russian culture?”
Reading your post I don’t see ANY game on your part and plenty on hers.
Financially supporting her? She isn’t answering calls?
Duh…she’s skipped off and is now banging another bloke.
Face the facts. Dump her, walk away.
Disappear and if she calls, don’t answer.
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“”Also, one more question, if a girl finds out you are running systemized game on her, is it systemized game over?””
I wondered about this too.
Then the girl I’m seeing brought up a scenario in our social circle where a beta guy married to domineering woman had a fight at a party. The beta guy has been spending time with another girl hanging out, dancing etc. But I’m certain he’s not banging her.
No matter. The beta guy’s wife suddenly enlisted support of friends to “spy” on beta hubby to make sure he’s loyal.
So basically beta guy started turning greater beta, ignoring his wife for a while and hanging out with other girls in front of his wife.
My girl asks me what I think…She thinks it’s a marriage in tatters and a “tragedy”–typical over-dramatization.
So I went through and explained that beta guy was finally being a “man” and it was important for domineering wife to see him h aving a good time with other girls so she could really think about what she wanted.
“Of course a guy with options is much more attractive, girls need to understand that, in the back of their minds they do” I said.
I said that over time, domineering wife had lost respect for beta guy and now that he was hanging out with other chicks and having fun, she was feeling dread.
What happened?
Firstly, my girl already understood this scenario but just couldn’t articulate it. By demonstrating I understood women and how to game them she was intrigued.
Next day she banged my brains out like never before. She was like a purring kitten the rest of the weekend.
I didn’t reveal how I gamed her but simply explained beta guy’s behaviour with the workds “GOOD!” when my girl was saying how anxious and stressed the wife was feeling.
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[…] Chateau – “More Women Have Rape Fantasies Than Previously Thought“, “Why Game is Important for Fathers“, “Denying Women Sex is Psychologically Lethal” […]
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Interesting stuff, have no doubt it works. I can’t imagine going two days without sex though, based in part on what I’ve read here. To your question, my girl, who is astute, knows I’m manipulating her. I’m fine with that because smart chicks are a turn on for me. She straight told me the other day “you have all the power in this relationship”. The story of O is a little boring but there are some good lessons in it.
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yellow kid,
I ended up having to get a restraining order since she started texting me death threats. Don’t deny dick to crazy
…unless you live to tell the tale, in which case it becomes dhv.
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See end of 7th paragraph
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2011/reader6669.htm
Girl (yes, Asians have the same brain wiring) denies her man sex, then is disappointed that he doesn’t take it from her. Poor schmuck didn’t understand the subtext.
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OT: sorry to be late for April 1, but this is way cool
http://hurrdurr.it/#url=http://roissy.wordpress.com/
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Off topic, but true…
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I’ve had women throw themselves at me (as is FC) when I LJBF’d them on a first date. Two of the times I followed through, and one I did not.
-Cuisine
http://www.daygamer.net
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What is a takeaway?
I’m new and just started reading.
Love this place.
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I denied a girl a kiss once. She wasn’t happy :p . Came back for more :p .
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This only works on insecure, needy women. Luckily that seems to be your type.
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http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14369871
Just thought I would drop this here. Just to remind the betas to get with the program.
For discerning readers, this story has it all in a nutshell.
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@Gramps
Yeah, she ignores the beta’s kid and fucks with her bf. Sad.
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“This only works on insecure, needy women. Luckily that seems to be your type.”
Lol, people like you say that about everything here.
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@BigGuy
No respect. Ditch her.
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I have a narrative which has as the theme keeping your woman in line by maintaining frame.
I was out gizmo shopping with my live in girlfriend. Picking up an ultraportable laptop, I mentioned it would be a good cheap type to give to my 2nd girlfriend, who would pay back the cost to me with dataprocessing work.
This comment caused a strong jealous reaction, which #1 tried to appear as if she was hiding. After a while her bad mood became a bad stench. I don’t have time for it. I’m old enough to realize I don’t have spare hours waste with female drama. After returning home from our silent shopping, I told her I was going to my other abode because of her stinky mood.
This caused her to up the ante. If her stinky mood wasn’t enough for her to get hand over me, she’d go full out and control me with super drama. She pulled out a knife and threatened to cut. Started screaming “don’t go!”. To her threats of leaving me I counter threatened “Good! Go back to you city! I don’t need your female drama.” After she started with hysterics I screamed at her “Shut up! I can’t take your wah wah wah!” I had to struggle with her to get out the door, and as she was grabbing at me I violently slapped her arms out of the way and walked off.
I slept in peace that night, enjoying a night of solitude. The next day found her silent and contrite. On coming back to my apartment she focused on cooking and cleaning (which she usually focuses on).
The girl is usually calm and cheerful. The mood in my house is usually sweet and loving and warm. We laugh and kiss and fuck a lot. She does whatever I say the moment I ask. But none of that gives her an inch of leeway. If she wants to step one inch out of line, now she knows where the door is. I simply don’t have the time.
I’m not going to let some femme gain hand over me with threats to cut. Let her cut. I have a passporte and a portable job.
No drama.
By the way the stickman site is one of the best on the internet for men to learn from each other. The theme is living in Thailand, but it winds up really about dealing with women.
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xsplat, what do you do for a living? I’d love to move around like you do.
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Anony 5:25
So, the only sort of guys who would stick around for a millisecond after a woman held back on putting out sexually are insecure and needy?
Actually, down deep, you would agree that they are. But you are just projecting when you transpose that onto female intentions.
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To be female is to be needy and insecure. Some just hide it better than others.
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I did that once, just completely stopped in the middle of the deed. And my girlfriend asked me why i stopped abruptly and I just said, “I’m just done.” Immediately she wondered whether I was angry. She just felt really on edge but peaky. It’s definitely a good sign when you’re girlfriend’s constantly thinking about sex.
How would one use this if they’re not in a relationship though?
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My GF has something similar on me. My GF actually has quite a dominant personality, very unlike all girls I’ve met previously. So it’s often a subtle battle of dominance, where I have to use good game to keep her wanting to please me.
From time to time she texts me about how horny she is and that she wants to be fucked when she comes home. I remember once she texted “I’m on my way home now. Expecting you naked in bed when I get there. ;)” And then when she came home and saw me lying on the bed naked she went to watch TV and was completely uninterested in sex.
Now, you don’t have to worry, I’m not falling for her games anymore (not that often anyway). But I don’t really know how to handle the situation. If she gives me dirt messages and I don’t reply she usually just gets pissed.
I have also experimented with withdrawing sex from her and it really works. She’s a bit difficult to game though because her defense is excellent. She’ll say stuff like “Why should I end up with a guy who has no sex drive?” “You never want to have sex.” etc.
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The good men project have an article about PUA culture up.
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The key distinction here is to try this with a girl you’re already banging.
This doesn’t work in new relationships where if you don’t do her hard, she’ll lose interest fast and think you’re some beta schlub.
Bang her properly and do this and it works.
The exception…fat chicks. I met a girl online and after 5 minutes of chatting, invited her over. She was much bigger in person than in her photo.
We made out, I stopped. Next thing I know, she’s begging me to bang her. I said no. Had to work.
More begging.
This is more advanced game.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1327786&srvc=rss
lzzzolololzzzl!
Would love to hear the Dark Lord’s take on this…
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@Ernst
One (but the only way) is to play the “put upon man”.
Say “How dare you treat me like a piece of meat? You only ever have one thing on your mind. You used to buy me dinner and flowers and take me to nice places…” Basically, act like a girl whose boyfriend is being too pushy when she is not in the mood.
This is easier to do in person, because she can hear your tone of voice. I will admit that I’m not sure what I would do about texting.
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I played this one on a girlfriend – it got me cheated on. So it’s effective to weed out the cheaters I suppose too.
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@BigGuy. She’s slavic and you are acting like this? You are toast…..sorry mate, but that’s not the way to game a Russian money goblin.
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@ The Man Who Was
Savage is the very enemy of the Alpha male. I can’t recall a single time I’ve read him that did’nt involve “give her what she wants” etc
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Slutwalk! http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/04/protesters-march-in-toronto-slutwalk/
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http://www.uhull.com.br/03/31/nunca-fale-nao-para-uma-tarada-por-sexo/
The post gives wise advice, but people should proceed with caution. Some girls may not take it easily
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Gramps said:
” http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14369871
Just thought I would drop this here. Just to remind the betas to get with the program.
For discerning readers, this story has it all in a nutshell.”
Damn straight.
“Matthews said the boy’s mother, 25-year-old Jacklyn Marie Jacobson, and her boyfriend Jose Gloria told investigators… … He said the boy’s biological father is in the Army and stationed in Hawaii, and is currently on his way back to Kershaw County.”
(Dog cares more about the kid than the mother does, too. Friggin’ Ho.)
Here’s a serviceman’s commentary on such things…
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If Christopher Hitchens does not get a Knighthood I don”t know what… I have never in all my life seen a braver or more noble exit from this life. Agree with him or not, the man has big brass balls. He is dying, day by day, from the worst kind of cancer and he nonetheless continues to produce tightly reasoned, well crafted commentaries on the main issues of our time – which very soon will not be his time.
Despite what he says about his lack of theology/atheism, whatever – he is the living embodiment of the exact opposite of a nihilist.
“Friends are good on the day of battle” An old Gaelic toast.
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@ Workshy Joe ‘Every girl is the last girl on the planet to a beta.’
Exactly, that’s what drives their Beta cycle.
Holding back on a kiss on a date works the same way, exponentially more so with sex, this will head-fuck every woman on the planet. It’s the same when women do it to men, the guy thinks he’s in, shutdown. And then he can’t help but want it more.
‘I played this one on a girlfriend – it got me cheated on. So it’s effective to weed out the cheaters I suppose too.’
@ DJ, mate, I highly doubt this was when she started cheating.
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Rox,
Rox
A garota que eu estou em relação com é decidir sobre que faculdade a atender no próximo ano. Ela tem que escolher entre ficar em casa (viver com os pais) ou saindo (dormitórios). Ficar em casa significa que ela vai viver muito perto de mim, sair mais vezes, e assim por diante. Saindo significa que vamos ver uns aos outros raramente.
Ela está pedindo a minha opinião sobre onde ela deveria ir e eu disse a ela em linha reta fora que eu prefiro que ela fique em casa, insinuando a idéia de que sair vai tornar as coisas mais difíceis entre nós. Eu não estava toda sentimental – nenhum dos “baby eu vou perder você para sempre etc,” declarações. Apenas declarou firmemente a minha posição. Estou tentando manipulá-lo como a sua decisão não vai me afetar muito – ou seja, ficar indiferente.
Eu estou lidando com isso certo? Qualquer outra coisa que eu poderia fazer?
YOU THINKING IS WRONG !
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THE ULTIMATE SEX DENIAL
Just for curiosity´s sake, last week a beautiful actress (Cibele Dorsa) threw herself from her 7th floor flat balcony, imitating what her lover had done 3 months ago.
A big scandal in Brazil.
Some years ago this woman left a good husband and two kids because she didn´t want to follow him to Europe, where he had to work. Interestingly, the guy was brought to tears and, while he was crying, he met billionaire Athina Onassis (!!!) They married and take care of the kids now.
The actress then started cougar-dating this cocaine addict, a rich playboy 10 years her junior. They had a troubled relationship, even got involved with voodoo and the guy asked for a threesome in order for her to prove her love for him. She accepted. When the prostitute was in the flat with them, he said he wanted her to go buy cocaine with him. The actress said he didn´t love him. He said ” I´m going to prove I love you” and jumped to his death.
Before jumping, Cibele tweeted that she couldn´t forget the lover and even made a Youtube video with a collage of their pictures together.
Indeed, there is a black spot in women´s heart which longs for a jerk.
Here she is in an interview:
http://lidebrasil.com.br/site/index.php/2011/03/28/escritora-e-atriz-pula-do-setimo-andar/
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OFFTOPIC but interesting:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/romanian-kills-pregnant-wife-shows-body-to-his-father-via-webcam-040511
“…the report suggested they had argued about separating, and the paternity of the mother’s unborn baby.”
The original: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/04/05/madrid/1301992598.html
“”…el homicidio fue resultado de una discusión posterior al anuncio de la mujer de pedir la separación del ahora detenido y del anuncio de que el hijo que esperaba no era suyo.”
She told him she was going to leave him and that the child was not his.
I guess the PC filter affects the translation.
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Has it not occured to those of you who play these sort of games with your girlfriends and wives, that you are being emotionally abusive to your mate ? That is not loving behavior, nor is it conducive to maintaining a good relationship.
The first time denying sex occurs, your mate will think,
“He must be mad at me.”
The second time it occurs (even if it is years after the first occurance) . “He might be cheating on me.”
The third time it happens. “He is definately cheating on me.”
Then the accusations are going to fly and chances are the
relationship is over.
Divorce is, usually, very financially costly for men. I would not suggest trying this if you are married.
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Its your hamster thats causing the problems. If a guy punched you in the face and then asked you for help because his car broke down, what would your answer be?
The female equivalent is arguing.
Giving into sex would have made you her bitch and she would have been able to walk over you. Simple problem, simple answer. I don’t know why roissy has so many men believing women are anything more or less then men with a vag.
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If it’s abusive then women love abuse. Treating women nice and kind does not work.
So if you have a problem, ask your fellow women why they all love being treated like shit. Ask them why they don’t get wet when they hear about a man who pays the bills on time and picks a rose when he sees it.
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I discovered your blog a couple of weeks ago, and it’s truly fascinating. I would like to support the theory of the effect of the man pulling out mid-sex: my lover and I were fucking for about 30 minutes straight (hard and fast, me on the bottom), and he got very tired and out of breath and truly had to stop and rest. The effect it had on me was unexpected indeed. For a brief second, I truly doubted myself…and loved him all the more…
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Only time we don’t speak is during Sex In The City .
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