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The Subtle Heartbreak Of Female Aging

April 5, 2011 by CH

One of the most famous photographs in history is the “Afghan Mona Lisa”, a pic taken by a National Geographic photographer in the 1980s of a 12 or 13 year old Afghan girl on the cusp of womanhood. In the pic, you can see her nascent, striking beauty beginning to assert itself. Many years later, that girl, now a grown woman, was tracked down and another photograph of her at approximate age 30 was taken. Here are the two pics side by side:

Tragedy. Beauty is but a flicker in the quickly brightening and fading light of a woman’s lifetime. If you think women don’t feel stress competing in the dating market, look at this photo for a helpful reminder of the Damocles Sword of sexual expiration that dangles over the head of every woman. Unlike men whose urgency centers on relieving the pressure valve in their gonads, women are inextricably bound to a powerful, implacable emotional urgency centered on the need to capitalize on their beauty before time runs out. Women have made a pact with the devil — in return for the promise of exquisite beauty, their window to this world of lavish male attention is woefully brief.

But the reason for this post and the inclusion of the photo above is to draw your eye to the nearly imperceptible changes in a woman’s face as she ages a mere 15 years. These changes — so subtle in their alterations — can produce an effect upon the male eye and penis such that she is rendered sexually invisible to him, if not outright repulsive. A tiny droop here, a blotch there, a shadow cast at the wrong aspect — minute changes to facial composition that one would be hard-pressed to pinpoint and elucidate will nevertheless, taken on the whole, turn a woman from a glorious sexual and feminine creature to a sorry bag of undifferentiated human flesh.

For example, let’s closely examine what exactly has changed between the 13-year old Afghan girl and her 30 year old self that she should now look like a witch instead of a blossoming beauty. This will be harder than you think.

– The lips are generally the same shape, but now the corners droop ever so slightly, as can be seen by the diagonal shadow extending from lip to jowl.

– Her skin, while free of acne and disfigurements, has become blotchy. Various hues of crimson compete for real estate on her cheeks and chin.

– Her nose, while still mostly the same shape and size, has acquired a barely perceptible downward tilt and a bonier countenance, cursing her with the aforementioned witchy visage.

– Her eyes have gotten relatively beadier, though this diminution is so tiny as to be measured in units smaller than millimeters. Yet the male brain and eyes, wired and honed to lacerating, and cruel, perfection by millions of years of evolution ensuring that only the most fertile women stake claim to his resource and emotional investments, has no trouble at all judging the tiniest millimeter differences in female facial composition for sexual worthiness.

– Her eyebrows, a little bushier, though again the change is small. But small changes make all the difference.

– The orbs of her eyes themselves have dulled, the glimmer of youthful vitality and emerging sexuality faded after a twinkle in time of only 15 years.

– Her chin has become bulbous. It has added perhaps no more than a half centimeter in the horizontal from her former chin size.

– She has grown incipient jowls, but we cannot tell this from any fat accumulation, which appears minor at best. Rather, we can tell by the “greater than”-shaped shadow that runs jagged from her cheekbone to her jawline.

– There is an ever-so-slight band of darkness under her eyes. The fat pockets that puff out the underlids of the orbital sockets are typically the first to waste away from the ravages of aging.

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This was a brutal assessment, and the goal was to demonstrate that aging takes its toll on women in ways so subtle, and yet so deleterious and frighteningly fast, that the signs can be easily missed by a woman who has become accustomed to male attention in her late teens and early 20s, and in fact has become inured to the degradation in her sexual value by staring at her face every day in the mirror.

Naturally, some of you will say that Afghanistan is a tough place, and any woman living there would age faster than her pampered Western counterpart. You would be correct, as far as that goes. But the same unstoppable forces — like a tide of horrors — that have ruined the gift of this Afghan woman’s face to the world are at work ruining the faces of millions of Western women blowing away their prime years on mimosas and cock hopping. The only difference are the high tech cosmetics and treatments available in the West that helps stem the tide for a few years.

But that is all it is: a few years. A lucky American woman blessed with good genes and healthy living might be able to put off the withering Afghanistization of her face for perhaps five, or maybe even ten, extra years, holding the witch at bay until age 35-40. Sadly, for most American women, the malignant obesity epidemic has guaranteed that they will lose their beauty long before it is fairly taken from them, if they ever had it at all.

Men, when you remind yourselves of the unimaginable torment that women must experience as their number one asset abandons them with a fury to the cold, uncaring apathetic eyes of the sexual market…

be thankful that you are a man.

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  1. on April 5, 2011 at 1:38 pm theprivateman

    Very good analysis.

    A woman’s age is an enormous factor in attractiveness. The blank-slaters will, of course, argue ferociously that beauty is a mere social construct.

    Those who understand and appreciate the biological imperative will simply laugh at any arguments to the contrary.

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  2. on April 5, 2011 at 1:40 pm ryan

    First!

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  3. on April 5, 2011 at 1:44 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    Haha Ryan, you fag.

    Brutal, honest, truth on this one. Afghan girl can’t find or afford cosmetics. I bet her diet is much better than most Americans: fresh meat, unprocessed goat milk and cheese, infidel blood.Much healthier than “low fat” anything. Plus lots of walking.

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  4. on April 5, 2011 at 1:45 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    Boners don’t lie.

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  5. on April 5, 2011 at 1:48 pm afghani

    Not to contend with any of the points you made regarding the large differences in hotness with age of the woman, but that woman looks way older than 30 and badly taken care of to me.

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  6. on April 5, 2011 at 1:50 pm Deutsch

    Thank god that you are a man and drink some beer.

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  7. on April 5, 2011 at 1:51 pm dream puppy

    I’m going to go kill myself now.

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  8. on April 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm And Balls

    look at what lindsay lohan has done to herself in a few short years

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  9. on April 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm colonelcrimson

    What a sad reality. If you’re a woman whose name isn’t Diane Lane or Jaclyn Smith, aging is going to hit you like a ton of bricks.

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  10. on April 5, 2011 at 1:54 pm itsme

    at 12/13, she already looked 20. not only did she age 15 years in the second pic, she become significantly more manlike.

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  11. on April 5, 2011 at 1:55 pm Firepower

    One of the most famous photographs in history is the “Afghan Mona Lisa”, a pic taken by a National Geographic photographer in the 1980s

    Truth: the ultra-liberal, tree-huggy, “Feminist supportive” NatGeo photographer wouldn’t DREAM of taking that pic -if Ms. Mustafa looked like THAT back then.

    LMFAO

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  12. on April 5, 2011 at 1:59 pm jack_202

    Looks more like 30 in the first picture and 50 in the second one.

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  13. on April 5, 2011 at 2:00 pm Fred

    Two years ago I dated a woman 15 years my junior (at the time she was 26 and I was 41). The terror she felt at the prospect of her upcoming 30th birthday was real and palpable – I know this because believe me should could not stop talking about it. I never took her seriously in the first place (#1 single mom, #2 she admitted to having been tag teamed once), so her harping on her impending doom (i.e., the aforementioned imminent 30th birthday) probably didn’t affect the length of what was going to be a brief relationship anyway. I’m just glad I was granted this window into the female mind as regards aging. Guys, please believe Roissy on this issue – women in their 20’s are only too aware that every “X” on the calendar brings their “marry by” date one day closer …

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  14. on April 5, 2011 at 2:01 pm Ronin

    @Deutsch
    “Thank god that you are a man and drink some beer.”

    Kabobs and beer for lunch, cheers.

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  15. on April 5, 2011 at 2:02 pm The Subtle Heartbreak Of Female Aging « Citizen Renegade « The LP 72980/The LP 999 Blog

    […] The Subtle Heartbreak Of Female Aging « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  16. on April 5, 2011 at 2:05 pm Mukluk

    “I bet her diet is much better than most Americans: fresh meat, unprocessed goat milk and cheese, infidel blood.Much healthier than “low fat” anything. Plus lots of walking.”

    Actually, no. I’m a stickler for accuracy– The girl in the photo was living in a refugee camp when she was photographed by Steve McCurry at the age of 12. Not long after that she got married in a multiple-wife arrangment. She lived an impoverished, subsistence-agriculture life on the fringe of civilization over the next 18 years. She worked hard, ate a poor diet with not enough nutrients and spent most of her days exposed to the sun, wind, dry heat, etc.

    If you see a large-scale hi-def print of her she looks to be 50+.

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  17. on April 5, 2011 at 2:13 pm PA

    About a years ago you wrote one of your best bon mots: “men are expendable, women are perishable.”

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  18. on April 5, 2011 at 2:14 pm PA

    There is just one way for women to age without the psychological devastation that age brings: having children.

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  19. on April 5, 2011 at 2:15 pm maurice

    Harsh but true, in terms of SMV and sexual attractiveness. But most non-obese 30-y.o.s or even 35-y.o.s in the West look better than that, to be fair- as noted.

    Older women traditionally have brought different values to society- as mothers, wives, teachers, colleagues, whatever. But often they’re married by then, at least by the mores of earlier ages or traditional societies.

    So the stretching out into the 30s of behaviors (here, courtship/mating) associated with young adulthood or adolescence, an increasing feature of our decadent and over-prosperous society, seems to fly in the face of this one aspect of nature–but for females. Men age like wine, women age like milk. Cruel, and an exaggeration to be sure, but … equalists wept, as the maxim goes.

    @FP- true dat.

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  20. on April 5, 2011 at 2:16 pm what

    “be thankful you’re a man” ha!

    enjoy! hehe!

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  21. on April 5, 2011 at 2:17 pm Lara

    I used to think I was so lucky to have been born a girl, that is was so much better than being a boy. Now that I’m in my mid 30s I don’t really feel that way so much anymore.

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  22. on April 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm Black Rebel

    Tragic, but what can’t be underscored are a few of the advantages that American women have as they age through their 20’s;

    – Clean drinking water.
    – Jobs that mostly keep them out of the sun.
    – Not being expected to pop out 5 kids by age 20 (every kid ages a woman 2-5 years).

    And of course things like cosmetic surgery and a gym on every corner, but all else being equal…girl in the first pic looks 17-20 (12 and 13 year olds looking like they’re in their mid-teens is largely a western thing), in the second pic she looks 40+.

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  23. on April 5, 2011 at 2:20 pm Anonymous

    “Men are expendable. Women are perishable.” – Chateau, 18 March 2010

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  24. on April 5, 2011 at 2:21 pm last tango

    cool story, bro. I guess it’s good to mess with female readers and whatnot but…
    a) that picture, even the original is creepy as hell, not a good example. Beauty?!
    b) it’s not that relevant… If it’s a pump and dump, how long you gonna pump her anyway. If not, no matter for what reason, then while sad it’s not really that big of a deal. There’s plenty of older women who while are not as hot as younger, are quite fuckable assuming they have other redeeming qualities.

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  25. on April 5, 2011 at 2:22 pm Tyrone

    This is a good example for illustration purposes, but it has always been a peasant’s lot to age earlier than pampered city women. It is common in literature to read of 35 year old peasant women who look 60 or 70 due to their hard lives of toil and exposure to strong sunlight and physical labor. So she looks far worse than a western woman over 30. Had we rescued the girl and brought her to the west, she would probably look far younger at age 30 than in the photo. Civilization extends the length of a woman’s window of opportunity for beauty. 28 used to be considered far too old for marriage. Now it is a bit young. Read your Tolstoy!

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  26. on April 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm Tim

    This was vintage Roissy. A classic. Downloading and printing and going in my files.

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  27. on April 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm Tyrone

    No wonder they like to cornhole boys in Afghanistan!

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  28. on April 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm Lara

    PA is right. It is still really good to be a girl, but you have to have children.

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  29. on April 5, 2011 at 2:26 pm usurped

    Posts like this eloquently show what it has taken me almost ten years of life experience to learn: men are incapable of love. While women can love a person, men are only capable of perhaps thoughtful lust protracted for a few years, at most.

    [Editor: Female youth and beauty is a necessary prerequisite for love to flourish. Women, just like men, love conditionally as well — most women cannot love a man they deem too beta, charmless, or weak. So you are wrong.]

    Sites like this do a great service, disabusing people of the myth of love.

    [Disabusing people of the myth of unconditional love is not the same as refuting the existence of love itself.]

    Before I started reading this and men’s rights websites, I loved my fiancé. Now that I know what he and all men really think of women, I view him as a pregnancy-generator, nothing more. This is rational, and I wish all women would learn this hard lesson from a young age.

    [You are trolling, and will be summarily banned if you continue down this path. Don’t think you can outwit me, either. I can smell your kind from 12 parsecs.]

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  30. on April 5, 2011 at 2:31 pm OhioStater

    This is also a cure for one-itis. No matter how hot she is now, it all goes down hill pretty quickly.

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  31. on April 5, 2011 at 2:32 pm artofclueless

    Amen.

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  32. on April 5, 2011 at 2:34 pm last tango

    @usurped.. not “men”. Men that you get wet for and “can love”. Boo-hoo.

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  33. on April 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm SDaedalus

    This is a very good post.

    The only things I would say are:-

    (i) Girls’ faces change a lot between 12 and 16 – early teens may have been the high point here in terms of striking beauty. It’s a shame there aren’t more photos on an annual basis.

    (ii) Of course younger women are better looking as a rule – but not all women are better looking in their teens, some look better in their twenties (hi Clearasil my old friend).

    (iii) The heartbreak is not so bad for those of us who weren’t raving beauties to begin with.

    (iv) Aesthetics are more important for some men than others. For a lot of men, familiarity counts. Also, laziness. I agree that for many men, nothing trumps youth.

    (v) Sexual attractiveness is not necessarily the most important thing in life – certainly what this post illustrates is the long-term futility of defining oneself in these terms.

    (vi) For those of us women who value aesthetics, male ageing is just as heartbreaking – I realise it arrives about 10 years later, but it still kicks in just as the man is starting to get interesting. I felt like crying after watching George Clooney in ‘The American’.

    [Editor: My GF, who is 26, thought Clooney was hot in The American. There is no similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom I or any man I know could say the same.]

    (vii) There’s nothing sadder than watching each gender morph into the other, with age, but age has its compensations too, even for women. The pain of being young can be very sharp.

    [The unbearable lightness of being.]

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  34. on April 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm Kev

    she was an exotic beauty. i remember that photo was everywhere in the 80s.

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  35. on April 5, 2011 at 2:41 pm Anton

    @ usurped

    WTF does the post have to do with love????

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  36. on April 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm quetal

    Men age like wine, women age like…milk!

    the only women that I’ve seen who were still somewhat bangable in their 40s were those that had no kids and followed a healthy lifestyle…however if you do sleep with one you will always miss that she was a bombshell in her twenties and now is a shell of her former self!

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  37. on April 5, 2011 at 2:45 pm Kingbeef

    To usurped:

    Men are not incapable of love. The men you abuse and toss away are the ones that love. When they get the pie to the face over and over again, they wise up. Get real woman.

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  38. on April 5, 2011 at 2:45 pm Alex

    Mukluk paints of picture of the world:

    “She lived an impoverished, subsistence-agriculture life on the fringe of civilization over the next 18 years. She worked hard, ate a poor diet with not enough nutrients and spent most of her days exposed to the sun, wind, dry heat, etc”

    That is exactly what the Anti-Carbon crowd wants us to live in.

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  39. on April 5, 2011 at 2:46 pm quetal

    Btw I noticed that if you meet a women in her thirties and you tell them the last women you dated was 19-23, they go crazy on you.

    One incident a women told me while almost shouting because I told a friend to go to a so and so bar that is famous for having young girls, that I go for young girls because I want “dumb and easy” girls…yeh, young hot girls are “easy”, talk about delusion. if that was true, EVERY MAN WOULD TRY TO DATE THEM.

    white women in their early thirties are the EASIEST to bang from my personal experience.

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  40. on April 5, 2011 at 2:47 pm suicide_blond

    sexualizing a 12 or 13 year old girl just seems kind creepy to me…
    xoxo

    [Editor: Projection — it’s what’s for dinner!]

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  41. on April 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm Lara

    “The heartbreak is not so bad for those of us who weren’t raving beauties to begin with.”
    That is a good point, getting older kind of even things out between the really pretty girls and the more average ones.

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  42. on April 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm quetal

    ” Of course younger women are better looking as a rule – but not all women are better looking in their teens, some look better in their twenties (hi Clearasil my old friend)”

    There was a study made, women are in their most fertile and hot age at…22 !

    I saw another porn study that found the average age of female porn stars where they shoot the most videos to be…22 again!
    google it

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  43. on April 5, 2011 at 2:50 pm itsme

    my money’s on usurped got dumped by her ex-fiance for a younger, hotter, tighter, quite possibly less cunty girl.

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  44. on April 5, 2011 at 2:51 pm what

    If beauty fades, at least I’ll still have my wonderful, charismatic, sexy, sweet, loving, exciting …..personality! lol!! oh yeah….I’ll still have my girl game..neg, shit tests, lots more….!!! haha!!

    [Editor: The only “girl game” that works is a mirror.]

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  45. on April 5, 2011 at 2:52 pm quetal

    “You know males randomly get baldness, right? There is pretty much nothing to do about it. Everybody ages.”

    more Men get baldness than women due to genetical testosterone/DHT sensitivity of hair follicles (men have more testosterone than women)

    HOWEVER 50% of women after 40 experience hair loss!

    a man with a balding head is less attractive than a man with a full head of hair (with notable exception for black athletes)

    HOWEVER a women with a balding head is HORRIBLE.

    A lot of women wear wigs btw.

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  46. on April 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm itsme

    One incident a women told me while almost shouting because I told a friend to go to a so and so bar that is famous for having young girls, that I go for young girls because I want “dumb and easy” girls

    she’s projecting.

    translation: when she was young, she was a slut.

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  47. on April 5, 2011 at 2:55 pm Thor Movie

    i think i may have come across the most beautiful women in the world?

    http://45surf.com/

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  48. on April 5, 2011 at 2:57 pm Thor Movie

    i think i was reading an article by roger devlin in which he stated that women would be wise to trade their beauty for long-term love.

    will try to find the quote.

    anyone know of this quote?

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  49. on April 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm *OnlyYolie*

    i remember that picture… she was breathtaking… as a woman i know for a fact that aging is hard, thinking about aging is harder and realizing what men think about women aging is the hardest of all… that being said she just appears to have had a hard life… over here in the west we should be able to stave off aging poorly until at least 40… hopefully

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  50. on April 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm dragnet

    I addressed the ramifications of the slow decline of an individual woman’s sexual power–and our society’s quixotic and counterproductive attempts to mitigate this reality at the expense of general welfare of the citizenry…and what a woman can do about it, here:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/curiosity-women-and-game/#comment-169696

    This post is entirely true…and has put me in a state of melancholy.

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  51. on April 5, 2011 at 3:00 pm what

    [Editor: The only “girl game” that works is a mirror.]

    When the lights are off, you need more than a mirror Mr. Editor.

    [Editor: A camera helps, too.]

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  52. on April 5, 2011 at 3:02 pm RVT

    God willing, we’ll find the aging cure in our lifetimes

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  53. on April 5, 2011 at 3:03 pm O-face

    Question to Roissy and everyone on here:
    R’s twitter feed says “And that’s why it’s vital that you DO NOT pay her way if you want a shot at closing the deal with her. Non-payment lowers her value”

    How do you avoid paying for a date with a hot girl? So, when she offers to pay do I accept it? Does it work for everyone?

    [Editor: If she offers to pay, tell her you’ll split it. If she insists, let her. Don’t worry about spending a few bucks on a drink or two. Consider the cost of drinks a worthy investment in lowering her inhibitions. It’s the relatively bigger ticket stuff that you should avoid paying for before she’s given it up to you. Stuff like dinners, expensive theater tickets or, god forbid, jewelry.
    Also, when you buy drinks, only buy on dates, not on first meets at the bar. And don’t buy her the top shelf stuff. She won’t know the difference between Grey Goose and Smirnoff once it’s mixed in a swirl of girly colors.]

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  54. on April 5, 2011 at 3:04 pm sdaedalus

    [Editor: My GF, who is 26, thought Clooney was hot in The American. There is no similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom I or any man I know could say the same.]

    This makes perfect sense – imo both men & women notice the signs of ageing in the opposite sex more as we grow older.

    [Editor: I find just the opposite to be true. Young people — particularly teens — are very perceptive of age and how it looks on people. Older people tend to be more deluded about such matters, for obvious reasons. Heh.]

    Also, it’s not that Clooney isn’t still hot, it’s the fact that he’s past the cusp of his hotness that’s so painful. If he hadn’t been so handsome to begin with, it wouldn’t matter as much. No woman sheds tears over Harvey Keitel’s wrinkles.

    [You are missing the point. Male hotness is a function of a number of variables, of which looks is only one. A powerful and charming mofo like Clooney is going to look *sincerely* hot to a lot of younger women. Also, there is the fact that women, in general, are less enamored of male looks, and will upgrade a man’s looks on a subconscious level if he has other positive attributes.]

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  55. on April 5, 2011 at 3:07 pm itsme

    If beauty fades

    if?

    .I’ll still have my girl game..neg, shit tests, lots more….!!!

    there will always be a good supply of beta males you can ensnare.

    [Editor: Precisely. “Girl game”, otherwise known as The Rules, is effective for snagging the sort of men that women don’t really want to snag.]

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  56. on April 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm what

    @itsme
    If beauty fades
    if?
    .I’ll still have my girl game..neg, shit tests, lots more….!!!
    “there will always be a good supply of beta males you can ensnare.”

    My girl game don’t discriminate.ha! betas can be very sweet.

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  57. on April 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm sdaedalus

    There is no similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom I or any man I know could say the same.

    I’d be the last to deny ageing kicks in later for men as a rule – but Monica Bellucci isn’t far off Clooney’s age. I appreciate she’s a genetic miracle.

    [Editor: Monica is a freak of nature. For every Monica there are one hundred Georges.
    But lately even Monica has been getting a little long in the tooth.]

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  58. on April 5, 2011 at 3:18 pm Southern Man

    usurped said:

    Posts like this eloquently show what it has taken me almost ten years of life experience to learn: men are incapable of love.

    When a man chooses to love, he does so with a passion and depth and intensity that most girls can scarcely fathom. One of my favorite R quotes, from a recent post: I love women, and I love being in love with women. But, as He has also said: men are expendable. How often do we see women reject the men who truly loved them?

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  59. on April 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm collegeslacker

    Reminds me of some of the serial fake bakers on campus. Girls I would have banged without a second thought in high school are now already showing signs of early aging already, and once you see them in class without make up on you’re like what? You’re only 21?. Combine that with going out all the time and a shitty diet and you get girls who look years older than they should.

    It’s a shame, really.

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  60. on April 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm what

    [Editor: Precisely. “Girl game”, otherwise known as The Rules, is effective for snagging the sort of men that women don’t really want to snag.]

    I have not own ‘rules’. hee! hee!

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  61. on April 5, 2011 at 3:20 pm what

    correction:

    my OWN rules.

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  62. on April 5, 2011 at 3:21 pm Thor Movie

    hello usurped,

    could you please post a picture?

    you seem to look down on truth.

    you must be very beautiful to so despise truth. or delusional.

    please post a picture and let us decide.

    thanks!

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  63. on April 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm fafaf

    Can you imagine what women looked like in their 30s ten thousand and more years ago? Haggard is more than likely the answer. So it’s no wonder girls from their mid or even early teens onwards are sometimes found attractive by men, it’s evolution.

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  64. on April 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm sdaedalus

    [Editor: I find just the opposite to be true. Young people — particularly teens — are very perceptive of age and how it looks on people. Older people tend to be more deluded about such matters, for obvious reasons. Heh.]

    I completely agree with you about teens but I think twenties women are more likely than women in their thirties to find men ten years or more older than them appealing. Presumably these men are not complaining lol.

    [Editor: Not sure you aren’t conflating correlations here. Women in their 30s love older men but don’t have the SMV to pull off dating them with any regularity or extracted commitment. So naturally, given these ego-crushing realities, they engage in a little of the ol’ sour grapes.]

    I think men in their twenties can sometimes be less perceptive of ageing in women ten years’ older than men the same age as these women – though possibly not after reading this post.

    I agree that male beauty is less important from point of view of attraction – but it’s still possible to mourn its loss on an aesthetic level.

    [Are you prepared to admit that aging is a disease and should not be papered over by transparent platitudes? Are you willing to invest your taxpayer money to huge government sponsored projects to eradicate or ameliorate aging?]

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  65. on April 5, 2011 at 3:25 pm memcpy

    There is no older female equivalent to Hugh Hefner. Kinda sucks for the ladies.

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  66. on April 5, 2011 at 3:27 pm Anonymous

    A stranger’s ramblings on the internet have changed the way you view your own father? Get help.

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  67. on April 5, 2011 at 3:34 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    @Mukluk

    She lived an impoverished, subsistence-agriculture life on the fringe of civilization over the next 18 years. She worked hard, ate a poor diet with not enough nutrients and spent most of her days exposed to the sun, wind, dry heat, etc.

    You are correct and I am wrong. Her lifestyle and diet isn’t better than most American women. It IS the diet of most American women (California, Florida).

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  68. on April 5, 2011 at 3:35 pm JonBrom

    Men generally have it better in the aging dept. than gals, but only if they take care of their physical selves and appearance.

    Almost all men, especially over 30, can help their prospects immensely if they simply took the care to dress properly.

    Here in the US Southwest the majority of men dress in unappealing shorts, dirty sneakers, and sweat-drenched T-shirts, even in public settings!

    Get a clue, boys:

    A man under 30 who dresses sloppily looks casual.

    A man over 30 who dresses sloppily looks like a slob.

    [Editor: Good advice. One of the less intuitive differences between men and women is that men can often see a bigger boost to their DMV with stylish clothes than can women, even though women spend an order of magnitude more on fashion.]

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  69. on April 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm black sheep´s adventures

    My mum, who is 53, gets a lot of attention from men still. She has got it all her life and it hasn’t stopped when she has got older. And no, the men flirting and hitting on her aren’t 70 years old winos. Just last week one brilliant looking stylish man in his late 40’s or early 50’s came to talk to her and said twice “I just have to say you are incredibly cute girl”. And there was another situation like that in the same week. This kind of stuff happens regularly to her and can’t be a coincidence.

    [Editor: Most likely these men are just angling to get closer to you and breathe in your vagininity if you are your mom’s hot daughter.]

    My point just is that not all women age so bad and not all men worship youth. My mum is a good example of that.

    Just saying. I hope I grow old like my mum.

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  70. on April 5, 2011 at 3:43 pm Feh

    In the first picture, the girl looks frightened. In the second, beaten and resentful. In that change alone resides a whole lamentable history that is probably the norm in a shitehole run by drug-running pederasts with low IQ.

    Re: “aforementioned witchy visage”

    Who writes this? Bring back Roissy.

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  71. on April 5, 2011 at 3:43 pm sdaedalus

    Are you prepared to admit that aging is a disease and should not be papered over by transparent platitudes? Are you willing to invest your taxpayer money to huge government sponsored projects to eradicate or ameliorate aging?

    I’d certainly pay a lot to eradicate ageing in myself, even at this stage, though I wouldn’t like to go back to my spotty teens and early twenties either. 25 would be a good age to stay at.

    However, I’d have to consider whether or not it would be beneficial to me to pay to eradicate ageing in other women, never having been a raving beauty and all that I might be shooting myself in the foot here.

    Btw would you mind telling me where all these men who appreciate young female beauty were at when I was a sweet-faced ingenue of 25?

    [Editor: Too scared and insecure to approach.
    Or, to be less charitable, you weren’t cute enough to compete with the 30 year olds. And that’s saying a lot, considering most slender 25 year old girls easily outshine their 35 year old counterparts, even the ones who don’t get fat.]

    As far as I remember they were all running after elderly femme fatales in their early 30s. It’s a terrible shame your blog didn’t come along early enough to be of practical use to me in the dating market.

    [Men are quicker to settle than women, because they don’t have as much to lose if they choose the wrong mate. Settling thus becomes the path of least resistance for men who think themselves out of the market for younger women. And, naturally, men who have settled have a tendency to proclaim that they made their choices freely. To admit otherwise would be quite a blow to the ego.
    On the upside, men don’t suckle on these sour grapes quite as hungrily as women do.]

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  72. on April 5, 2011 at 3:59 pm sdaedalus

    or to be less charitable, you weren’t cute enough to compete with the 30 year olds.

    In fairness I can’t rule that out, which brings me back to my original point – ageing is only a tragedy for the women men notice to begin with, which is only a small percentage of the female population, even the thin bit.

    [Editor: You’re either fooling yourself here, or you’re lying to score an empty debate point. The majority of women in their primes – 15 to 25 years old — are noticeable to men. In societies where female thinness is the norm, upwards of 90% of women in that 15-25 age bracket are sexually desireable to most men of all ages.]

    For the rest of us, the ageing process may even make our life easier by improving our status relative to other women our own age whose decline is steeper & harsher.

    [But it will make your life a hellish torment relative to younger women. So any meager status gain vis a vis peers is quickly wiped out by the reality of sexual market invisibility as the hotter generations move in on your turf.]

    It’s a cruel world, but every cloud has a silver lining lol.

    [More like a lead lining.]

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  73. on April 5, 2011 at 4:01 pm blert

    We’re all missing the ONE reason that men age slower: arranged marriage.

    It is still practiced on a massive scale. ( Muslims, Hindus, et. al.)

    The classic arranged marriage was ALWAYS with a groom ten to twenty years older than the bride. You still see that in Afghanistan. Many a new bride wants to run away from her spouse because he’s so old. If she does, normally she is killed. It’s all wrapped up in Pashtunwali. ( The way of the Pashtun )

    So you see, the Pashtun live using the universal Neolithic rule set even today. ( The number one way that the ISAF spots Taliban: they’re wearing shoes, typically Nike!)

    Not only do individuals compete in the Darwin games — so too do gene clusters/ sets. They compete at a second remove.

    One of the ‘gene-decisions’ is the trade off between long-life/ anti-aging and early fertility. It has been demonstrated emphatically in fruit flies that this continuum does exist.

    In my own family puberty is delayed remarkably. My brother didn’t hit it until he was 17! (My father’s best friend hit puberty at 12 and topped out at 14. That’s a lot of variability.) The kicker is that my family typically lives until 95-105 — both sexes — plus remain vertical, mobile and intelligent almost to the last.

    Better living causes females to hit puberty ever earlier.

    —–

    Putting it all together: male gene clusters shifted over to selection for longer life/ anti-aging precisely because a man’s early years were committed to warrioring/ proof; requiring him to survive for many, many years before he had a shot at polygamous marriage — and Alpha status.

    The gene-sets would travel on the Y and override the X.

    By comparison, the female is turboed to get into production ASAP.

    The ‘bizarre’ interest by older males in teen-something females is hard-wired in the DNA since that was the marriage NORM for countless generations.

    The idea that mate selection should be left to a young, dreamy, emoting girl was too absurd to contemplate until modern times; and our Western, poetic romantic-love.

    That construct was entirely developed for the nobility so as to emotionally justify Alpha swooping — the ever popular court sport.

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  74. on April 5, 2011 at 4:01 pm chi-town

    @what

    “be thankful you’re a man” ha!

    He is almost 70. She is 41. He is also a serious substance abuser.

    So much for your point.

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  75. on April 5, 2011 at 4:02 pm Anonymous

    Broscience all around

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  76. on April 5, 2011 at 4:04 pm gig

    – There is an ever-so-slight band of darkness under her eyes. The fat pockets that puff out the underlids of the orbital sockets are typically the first to waste away from the ravages of aging.

    the tragedy of female aging is that of all the best body parts, the ones you really want to kiss, are usually much more fat than muscle: the ass, the face, the breasts. usually the legs have a more “masculine” balance between muscle and fat

    And time is much more cruel to body fat (I mean natural body fat of non-overweight people) than to muscle.

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  77. on April 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm gig

    We’re all missing the ONE reason that men age slower: arranged marriage

    Some comments defy your ability to find any sense in them.

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  78. on April 5, 2011 at 4:07 pm Lara

    sdeadalus,
    Most young women get a lot of attention from men. That’s how I remember it and I’m not beautiful.

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  79. on April 5, 2011 at 4:11 pm Feh

    A clear 10 in her prime, Paulina Porizkova is now 45 years old:

    Still unquestionably beautiful. The ravaging will take longer, but it is still inevitable.

    SMV is a different metric. It probably has fewer constituent factors.

    Women, your SMV will decline rapidly relative to new hotties. There is no escape. Your beauty however can last longer if you cultivate other factors that inform it.

    Put another way:

    Young women can aspire to being objects of desire.
    Older women can only aspire to being objects of affection.

    Unless, of course, love has a say.

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  80. on April 5, 2011 at 4:11 pm Aurini

    To quote Robert Heinlein, from Stranger in a Strange Land:

    “Anybody can look at a pretty girl and see a pretty girl. An artist can look at a pretty girl and see the old woman she will become. A better artist can look at an old woman and see the pretty girl that she used to be. But a great artist-a master-and that is what Auguste Rodin was-can look at an old woman, protray her exactly as she is…and force the viewer to see the pretty girl she used to be…and more than that, he can make anyone with the sensitivity of an armadillo, or even you, see that this lovely young girl is still alive, not old and ugly at all, but simply prisoned inside her ruined body. He can make you feel the quiet, endless tragedy that there was never a girl born who ever grew older than eighteen in her heart…no matter what the merciless hours have done to her. Look at her, Ben. Growing old doesn’t matter to you and me; we were never meant to be admired-but it does to them.”

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  81. on April 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm Derrick

    Have you guys gone out with a hotter girl and shit tests you all the time and keeps saying “you are not all that you think of urself to be” but then agrees on another date..what exactly do you think is going on? Is she attracted to me and shit testing if I am lower value? Thanks

    [Editor: When a girl says “You are not all that you think yourself to be”, she thinks you are all that you think yourself to be. So, yes, she is attracted to you.]

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  82. on April 5, 2011 at 4:14 pm gig

    Settling thus becomes the path of least resistance for men who think themselves out of the market for younger women. And, naturally, men who have settled have a tendency to proclaim that they made their choices freely. To admit otherwise would be quite a blow to the ego.

    This is exactly what I see around me. At my age most guys are frightened like hell of clubs with girls in the 18-21 bracket. Unsurprisingly, those guys have been falling like dominoes to marriage.

    There is also the friends’ problem. No one wants to be the last of the group who is single, so together with the fear of aging out of late-teens girls, there is the fear of aging out of friendship with guys to go out at clubs.

    The third and final reason for guys to settle is the fear of going to work drunk. Most guys believe the peak of their resistance to drinking is reached early in college, so they self-convince that drinking is hitting harder the day after. Combine this with living to far from work and you get guys who go out less and less during weekdays.

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  83. on April 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm Lara

    sdaedalus,
    My grandparents have a book titled “Good Things About Growing Old” and you open it up and the pages are blank.

    [Editor: Haha!]

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  84. on April 5, 2011 at 4:21 pm Feh

    Aurini/Heinlein

    “there was never a girl born who ever grew older than eighteen in her heart”

    For proof, visit a nursing home. The oldest women are like rusted boxes. Open them, look inside, and you will see visions. Be prepared for them to take your hand and, starving for contact, to press it to their ruined faces.

    Sneer at the poignance of that moment, and you have lost your humanity.

    [Editor: I don’t sneer at that poignancy. But I do despise it for being necessary.]

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  85. on April 5, 2011 at 4:21 pm ozymandias

    So you’re basically suggesting that women like Salma Hayek, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Michelle Pfieffer, Kate Walsh, Sophia Lauren, Juliette Binoche, Nicole Kidman, etc., etc., etc. are unfuckably ugly?

    [Editor: How many women look like Halle Berry at 40? You do realize that Hollywood actresses are selected for their incredibly rare beauty, not to mention their ability to buy the best cosmetic science has to offer.]

    God. I’m glad I don’t live in your world.

    [A filthy fuckface lying piece of fresh steamy cow shit would say that.]

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  86. on April 5, 2011 at 4:26 pm william

    @ ozymandias

    those are what you’d call, exceptions.
    If the average woman looked like them post like this wouldn’t exist.

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  87. on April 5, 2011 at 4:27 pm Feh

    ozymandias

    The actual words in the original post are “the cold, uncaring, apathetic eyes of the sexual market.”

    There is no “unfuckably” in that sentence.

    Good luck with the denial strategy.

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  88. on April 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm william

    also i’d like to see every one of them without makeup on.

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  89. on April 5, 2011 at 4:31 pm chi-town

    “[A filthy fuckface lying piece of fresh steamy cow shit would say that.]”

    Or the dumbest geek in the world.

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  90. on April 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm Cuchulain

    This is a bad example. This girl was never beautiful to begin with. She had lovely eyes, but it takes a lot more than eye color to make someone beautiful.

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  91. on April 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm UFO

    Roissy, I think that women couldn’t care less about her vanished beauty. She is probably fearing that one of her children doesn’t trip on a landmine or her pack of goats gets blown up by an RPG.

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  92. on April 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm UFO Sighting

    Umm, after further inspection it actually looks she has just gained some weight. Put her on Weight Watchers and she will be good as new/young.

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  93. on April 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm Feh

    Editor

    [Editor: I don’t sneer at that poignancy. But I do despise it for being necessary.]

    Fortunate then for Nietzsche that he was functionally paralyzed by tertiary syphilis at the age of 45.

    Otherwise, he would’ve gone mad or something.

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  94. on April 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm Latest UFO Sightings

    Also, haven’t you considered that maybe when the first pic was taken she was just starting out in puberty which played some bad tricks on her and messed up her beauty even before she hit 20?

    Oh yeah, and as I said I think she is more worried about her cow flock getting blown up by an RPG not her looks.

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  95. on April 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm dragnet

    @ UFO Sighting

    “Umm, after further inspection it actually looks she has just gained some weight. Put her on Weight Watchers and she will be good as new/young.”

    What is this, if not the voice of pure delusion?

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  96. on April 5, 2011 at 4:43 pm itsme

    also i’d like to see every one of them without makeup on.

    you really don’t. most of them look significantly worse without makeup.

    example: google sofia vergara without makeup

    [Editor: I showed that makeup-less pic of sofia to a girl who is a huge fan of hers, and she refused to believe it was her. Adamantly, I might add. After some cajoling, she finally conceded that perhaps the lighting when the photo was taken had been bad.]

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  97. on April 5, 2011 at 4:45 pm Tim

    I don’t sneer at that poignancy. But I do despise it for being necessary.

    Christ, you’re a talented writer. I, too, despise that for being necessary. This is what happens when the female id is unleashed upon the world and all social controls are relaxed: Aged white women in rocking chairs and no children and the death of a culture, the end of a way of life.

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  98. on April 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm gig

    @ william

    I am with you. Google can offer plenty of evidence in favor of what you say.

    Of all those cited, I’d say that only Bellucci and Salma hayek would pass the “waking up stoned at 11 AM test “.

    if you wanna know how a girl really looks, try that test

    [Editor: Halle Berry might pass that morning after stoned test, too. Btw, anyone notice how quickly Audrey Tautou has lost her cuteness?]

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  99. on April 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm william

    @ itsme

    I said that because to many people consider a woman’s made up look to be the actual way she looks.

    saw Sofia’s pictures a while back, damn she looks bad.

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  100. on April 5, 2011 at 5:02 pm itsme

    i still think famke janssen is at least partially a man. there’s a good reason why she played such a convincing tranny on nip/tuck!

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  101. on April 5, 2011 at 5:03 pm chi-town

    It depends on the case of course. For example, this 14 year old boy was violated thusly:

    http://interested-participant.blogspot.com/2007/10/home-school-teacher-accused-of.html

    In a softer light, his molestation experience probably was not so bad even at 40.

    Now this seems less fortunate.

    http://interested-participant.blogspot.com/2007/10/missouri-mom-gets-pregnant-by-neighbor.html

    So if anyone want to see what ordinary women look like, who also engage in criminal sex acts, its a great resource.

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  102. on April 5, 2011 at 5:08 pm Anon

    “But lately even Monica has been getting a little long in the tooth.”-Editor

    Did you notice Sophie Marceau hit a brick wall like a year ago? A cryin’ shame it is…

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  103. on April 5, 2011 at 5:09 pm itsme

    [Editor: Halle Berry might pass that morning after stoned test, too.

    must be the mandingo blood. a couple of drops of it works far better in the long run than cosmetic surgery.

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  104. on April 5, 2011 at 5:11 pm ...

    The blotchy skin is not due to aging, m’lady has used a very cheap form of hair removal that tends to do that to the skin of those who are born with dark hair and darker skin. Either it’s too much Jolen Bleach which burns the skin and thus leaves blotchy skin, or she went to a cheap electrolysis/laser hair removal person. I would know because I’ve seen this type of skin many many times before.

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  105. on April 5, 2011 at 5:13 pm itsme

    ozy,

    So you’re basically suggesting that women like Salma Hayek, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Michelle Pfieffer, Kate Walsh, Sophia Lauren, Juliette Binoche, Nicole Kidman, etc., etc., etc. are unfuckably ugly?

    ‘unfuckably ugly’ is a pretty strong term. those women aren’t unfuckably ugly.

    this is unfuckably ugly:

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  106. on April 5, 2011 at 5:14 pm ballin365

    Oh wow. I didn’t expect it to be that dramatic. I still have a copy of the very issue that the first picture came from around my house somewhere. Maybe I’ll keep it somewhere I can see it to remind me of the advatage I have as a man. (Not really necessary though!)

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  107. on April 5, 2011 at 5:15 pm spiralina

    In some perverse way I’m relieved by the prospect of aging. There are benefits to youth and good looks, but most are cheap and transitory at best. Free drinks? Oh wow. It isn’t fun to be stalked, harassed, followed down the street and crudely propositioned by strange men. Other women turn petty, jealous and vicious; it’s difficult to find trustworthy friends. It’s dispiriting to interview for a job you’re fully qualified for, only to be told “you look too young, nobody will take you seriously as a supervisor” (this happened today.) Unless you’re very sheltered, or in the top .01% of women who are exquisite enough to generate wealth with their looks, beauty is a target on your back in the real world. You get a lot more negative/predatory attention than most men realize, which is why the ‘bitch shields’ become so hard and flinty in the first place.

    If I ever have a daughter, I sincerely hope she grows up plain. Not ugly, because the ridicule is harsh and warps in its own way. But not beautiful. It’s too easy to coast without friction, and develop no skill or character until it’s too late. A plain woman with a sweet attitude can find a good mate, raise children and live a happy and fulfilled life without all the pitfalls, temptations and static that befall her more attractive sisters. And then aging is perceived as a gentle slide into comfortable matronhood rather than a steep crash into invisibility.

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  108. on April 5, 2011 at 5:17 pm SDaedalus

    @Chateau

    In societies where female thinness is the norm, upwards of 90% of women in that 15-25 age bracket are sexually desireable to most men of all ages.

    Genuinely, I wish I’d known this when I was young enough to make use of it, always assuming I wasn’t in the bottom 10% that is.

    It’s certainly no fun growing old but all I can say is that it wasn’t much fun being young either.

    Thanks again for a very interesting post.

    @Lara

    Ah well, all us elderly women can do is retain our sense of humor.

    Over here men traditionally only approach plain women en masse if they think they are going to put out yesterday but probably things are different in the States.

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  109. on April 5, 2011 at 5:18 pm Tinderbox

    The third and final reason for guys to settle is the fear of going to work drunk.

    Some comments defy your ability to find any sense in them. 😉

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  110. on April 5, 2011 at 5:19 pm Obstinance Works

    You see a beautiful older woman and you think God is shining on your way.

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  111. on April 5, 2011 at 5:26 pm Lara

    spiralina,
    Yes, extreme beauty can almost be a curse as much as a blessing for the reasons you said. If I had beautiful daughter I would put most of my efforts into keeping her as grounded and humble as possible for her own sake.

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  112. on April 5, 2011 at 5:26 pm nooneofanyimport

    There’s a lot of truth in this post, and it’s not a comfortable truth for any woman.

    The unavoidable and speedy loss of beauty serves as a very practical reason for young women to stop playing the market, stop trying to “trade-up,” and find the best specimen they can who actually believes in marriage and wants children.

    Then, they need to give ’em the children, and make sure they provide marital benefits above and beyond just being pretty.

    It’s not easy to “settle,” and settle down, but the pay off is immeasurable. I turn 40 in a few days. I look at photos of a young me, and I can’t believe how impossibly cute I was. Or how old I look now.

    Being older and out of the market does provide a lovely freedom. I bet you’ll tell me there is no way to opt out of the market.

    I suppose that making sure you stay in shape, cook what he likes, look after his children/house/finances, and stay halfway pleasant etc, is a woman’s way of staying marketable and valuable to her husband.

    Gosh, it’s like the women of pre-feminism days actually had a point, or something.

    Cheers!

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  113. on April 5, 2011 at 5:28 pm beta_plus

    Wow, there is so much hamster wheel spinning in this thread if you could hook it up to Japan’s power grid they would never have to worry about the loss of the Fukushima nuclear plant.

    I’ve always accepted Roissy’s thesis, but to actually see it in action and completely in the open is quite something.

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  114. on April 5, 2011 at 5:31 pm Tinderbox

    Her name is Sharbat Gula. She’s the married mother of three girls and living in a remote ethnic Pushtun region of Afghanistan with her family. National Geographic is keeping her exact location secret to protect her privacy.

    [Photographer Steve] McCurry says he will be helping Gula provide an education for her children and to fulfill her dream of making a pilgrimage to Mecca next year.

    Even after all these years, the photographer still fawns over his most famous subject. Gula’s eyes have retained all their fire and intensity, he says. She has aged, “but I think she’s still quite beautiful despite all the hardship that people have to endure there.”

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/mar/girl/index.html

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  115. on April 5, 2011 at 5:33 pm knepper

    I don’t disagree that the girl has aged alot in 15 years, and that physical beauty has faded. But the eyes are the window to the soul. One look in this woman’s eyes, and you can see something that resembles the visage of a whipped dog–a combination of fear and resentment. No doubt, having something to do with living in an Islamic paradise. That has aged her, I bet, at least as much as a life of hard, physical labor.

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  116. on April 5, 2011 at 5:37 pm Firepower

    suicide_blond

    sexualizing a 12 or 13 year old girl just seems kind creepy to me…
    xoxo

    it’s good to know ONE girl posting here
    is NOT a lezbo middle-school teacher.

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  117. on April 5, 2011 at 5:38 pm Firepower

    Obstinance Works

    You see a beautiful older woman and you think God is shining on your way.

    nah, He’s just getting you to look up
    so he can piss in your eye

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  118. on April 5, 2011 at 5:43 pm Robert in Arabia

    An arranged marriage and veil do wonders for a woman’s self-esteem. The only people who know what wife looks like are her husband and her family.

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  119. on April 5, 2011 at 5:49 pm what

    @chi-town
    @what
    “be thankful you’re a man” ha!
    “He is almost 70. She is 41. He is also a serious substance abuser.
    So much for your point.”

    excuses, excuses…. 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  120. on April 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm Fubsy

    “It’s good to cherish old things… Beauty is always on the edge of being lost.” — Martin Landau in an episode of The Outer Limits

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  121. on April 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm universe

    She lived an impoverished, subsistence-agriculture life on the fringe of civilization over the next 18 years. She worked hard, ate a poor diet with not enough nutrients and spent most of her days exposed to the sun, wind, dry heat, etc”

    – Put her beside any boy/man of similar looks and ethnicity, in similar environs and the man will likely have taken on a honed ruddy complexion (the form that Western chicks likely drool over) with sexual marketability, such as it might be over there.
    Points well taken – the window of attractor opportunity and availability closes earlier for females regardless of geographical origin.

    Noting many of those minute facial changes of the girl/woman must have been painful for the female readership.

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  122. on April 5, 2011 at 5:56 pm what

    I think it has to start with good genes..that’s your deck of cards and is out of our control. What we can control is a good, healthy diet, exercise, sunscreen, moisturize and moisturize, a good attitude (letting go and not taking things so seriously), cultivating loving/caring relationships, lots of affection…lots of affection. 🙂

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  123. on April 5, 2011 at 6:04 pm what

    @itsme

    lol!!! she, Susan Boyle has her appeal…..I think…okaay, you’re right..hahaha!! she has a nice voice though. hehe!!

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  124. on April 5, 2011 at 6:05 pm John

    To the Western Woman:

    “Love is a fuel. And it can be used up. Years of rampant ‘affairs’ will harden your face, and give you a ghoulish like look.” – Pook

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  125. on April 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm Gramps

    That face looks like the face of many tribal women I saw in Iran years ago. They are moderately dark, but really are Caucasians. The sun on that high Iranian plateau is just brutal. Really.

    Also, the darkening of her cheeks may be in part due to the “mask of pregnancy.”

    In Iran, they went to such lengths to protect their female children from the harsh sun, rickets was a problem.

    But, everybody grows old, if they are lucky. This post was not meant to tell young pretty girls that their day is short. They know that. It is the men who need to be really aware of this. That pretty thing you pine over will be old very soon. Make sure she is beautiful where it counts, on the inside, if you decide to cast your fate with hers.

    BTW, smoking really ages a woman. Inside and out. Subtract sunlight and smoking, and the average white woman ages much, much better.

    Of course, nothing about their getting old makes me the slightest sorry for them. They had youth and beauty. What did they do with those gifts?

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  126. on April 5, 2011 at 6:13 pm DJDamage

    Aging is horrible disease on women and its true they don’t age well.

    Remember Pam Anderson during her Baywatch years?! she was the hottest piece of ass around and didn’t really have to do alot to look good.

    Today Pam Anderson looks like someone’s mother who is doing everything in her power to stay looking youthful minus the big tits

    damn its not the same Pam.

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  127. on April 5, 2011 at 6:15 pm Me

    Yeah being a man rules. It rules to have a dick. It rules to know that even if you spend 60 years as a loser, if you spend the next 15 with a hard-on and suddenly-learned Game, you can get pussy for those last 15 and maybe get a son out of the ordeal, and raise him to conquer a village by the time he’s 12. In theory, of course.

    But if you’re a woman..it’s plastic surgery or nothing. Or you can just hang that snatch out the window for the local 13 yr old boys to get a whiff, not knowing it’s not supposed to smell like that. Even “hot for senior citizen” broads are old and gross looking. Fuck, older than 18 and you see the difference.

    How awful it must be to imagine what it’s like to have an appendage you don’t have.

    It rules to be a man.

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  128. on April 5, 2011 at 6:17 pm MT

    Ot but

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_%28biology%29

    Was something that piqued my interest in all things Chateau. Unsure if this specifically has been brought but I am sure it has been touched on in one form or another.

    -Quote
    A lek is a gathering of males, of certain animal species, for the purposes of competitive mating display. Leks assemble before and during the breeding season, on a daily basis. The same group of males meet at a traditional place and take up the same individual positions on an arena, each occupying and defending a small territory or court.
    Lek mating arena, modeled on the sage grouse, in which each male, alpha-male (highest ranking), beta-male, gamma-male, etc., guards a territory of a few meters in size on average, and in which the dominant males may each attract up to eight or more females
    -Endquote

    Kinda reminds me of the Bar/Club scene at times.

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  129. on April 5, 2011 at 6:20 pm Me

    “sexualizing a girl” that girl probably is fertile and has tits. When I was 13, which wasn’t too long ago, girls I knew were fully developed with full D-cups. THESE WERE THIN GIRLS WITH FULL D-CUPS.

    And I sucked none of them. I dated one for a week and was too much of a confused pussy.

    O what poor fortune hath laid itself at my doorstep!

    I want a time machine.

    Though in my defense I hadn’t shot my first load yet.

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  130. on April 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm Tim

    It rules to know that even if you spend 60 years as a loser, if you spend the next 15 with a hard-on and suddenly-learned Game, you can get pussy for those last 15 and maybe get a son out of the ordeal, and raise him to conquer a village by the time he’s 12. In theory, of course.

    LOL. Thailand is full of em. No game, nothin – for the first 60 years and then WHAMMO – mad pussy up the wazoo when moving overseas. Knocking out kids at 60. It’s good to be a man.

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  131. on April 5, 2011 at 6:25 pm Karsten

    Are we absolutely sure that it’s the same person? Couldn’t it be, perhaps, her sister? I mean, how would the NatGeo photographer know for sure, if the family told him “That’s her,” and it was actually just her sister. For me, it’s the noses that seem TOO different. Do noses change that much over a couple of decades? I’ve never observed noses changing that dramatically.

    [Editor: Natgeo hired a lab to do an iris scan of the woman and the match was perfect.]

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  132. on April 5, 2011 at 6:26 pm Firepower

    Me

    But if you’re a woman..it’s plastic surgery or nothing. Or you can just hang that snatch out the window for the local 13 yr old boys to get a whiff, not knowing it’s not supposed to smell like that.

    Dude.
    You are like my evil little brother.
    Thumbs waaay up.

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  133. on April 5, 2011 at 6:37 pm usurped

    Okay, actually I’ve been thinking about it and I’m kind of pissed that you think I’m a troll. Seriously, I AGREE with you. For any rational female who agrees with you, the train of thought must go like this:

    1. Men love women for their beauty
    2. Beauty is dependent on a woman’s age
    3. All women age (as evidenced by this post)
    4. Men will fall out of love with women because they have aged past 35, and therefore aren’t beautiful anymore (also evidenced by this post, i.e. women become repulsive)
    5. Therefore, women should not expect to have long-term meaningful romantic relationships in their lives.

    How is that any different from what you write everyday? Have I misinterpreted something?

    [Editor: Points 1,2 and 3 are accurate. Point 4 needs qualifying. A man’s love will morph into an affectionate love and away from a romantic, lustful love with the aging of his lover. But then, this happens for most relationships regardless of the lovers’ ages or marital status. Point 5 could simply be rephrased: “people should not expect to live forever”. Accepting this does not mean giving up on finding and enjoying love.]

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  134. on April 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm bb

    When I look back at photos at myself from 19-23 I am astounded at how attractive I was. I wish I’d had the sense to know it back then. I certainly don’t exude that sense of pure vitality now. (Whereas my husband is the hottest he’s ever been at this present stage.)

    Yes, be thankful if you are a man. I know I’m thankful for mine!

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  135. on April 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm xsplat

    It’s Me

    she’s projecting.

    translation: when she was young, she was a slut.

    he he.

    “You just want “dumb and easy girls”, she fingerwagged.

    “Oh, so you were a stupid slut when you were that age?” he rejoindered.

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  136. on April 5, 2011 at 6:40 pm Me

    Monica Bellucci looks good but then you look at a photo from 20 years ago and you don’t bother to look again.

    Clooney looks better than he did when he was younger. He was odd looking.

    Audrey Tatou..my sweet French tart. What happened? Though you’ll still be hotter than American women your age, that cuteness is gone. Thank God for French actresses’ going nude when they’re young because that ass was TIGHT.

    I guess we see now that a large number of cocks and all that cum and alcohol and drugs is the equivalent of living in the fucking desert in constant fear of a stoning or acid attack.

    @Tim

    That’s not the same. Girls in Thailand are much more desperate and poor.

    Getting poor girls willing to suck anything that can help buy food in their shit hole country is not as impressive. I realize they’re 60, but they’re just sugar daddies in that scenario.

    @Firepower

    I still remember the first time I smelled it after fingering a girl and was shocked because I thought maybe I stuck it up her ass. I am now aware of how lucky I was because ass smell is much better than the stink emanating from a lot of women.

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  137. on April 5, 2011 at 6:40 pm Me

    Sorry for the double post but now that I think of it, she looks better than most American women. The average American 30 yr old without makeup is ghastly and horrifying. This woman at least looks like herself.

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  138. on April 5, 2011 at 6:54 pm Lavazza

    Lara: “I used to think I was so lucky to have been born a girl, that is was so much better than being a boy. Now that I’m in my mid 30s I don’t really feel that way so much anymore.”

    I can’t find the quote but it goes something like this: “Between the age of 15 and 30 I would prefer to be a woman, and an attractive such, at all other ages I would prefer to be a man.”

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  139. on April 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm Philosopher

    “A beautiful woman should break her mirror early”.

    Baltasar Gracian (1601 – 1658)

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  140. on April 5, 2011 at 6:59 pm Schmoe

    @spiralina,
    How YOU doin’?

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  141. on April 5, 2011 at 7:05 pm anonymouses anonymous

    The counter to the fading beauty of women is the mental disease many men suffer is that they fall in love with what she used to look like and they commit their love even through her fall.

    When I saw Afghan Mona lisa, my first thought was, she’s still doable. Had I just seen old Afghani, there would not be even a second thought. This is why aging actresses have multiple marriages even when they turn into fat cows.

    The reason for the multiple marriages is also because said guy wakes up one day and realizes she is a fat cow and not the starlet from the movies.

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  142. on April 5, 2011 at 7:07 pm xsplat

    “In that change alone resides a whole lamentable history that is probably the norm in a shitehole run by drug-running pederasts with low IQ.”

    +3 style points.

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  143. on April 5, 2011 at 7:11 pm usurped

    Well, thanks for the thoughtful response. I guess #4 is the real thing that determines whether relationships stand the 40-year test.

    Something to think about. Thanks.

    [Editor: Actually, I should qualify point 1, too. Beauty is a necessary prerequisite for a man to fall in love with a woman, but it is not the sole precondition. Femininity, generosity and kindness as well as personality traits and mannerisms play a minor but important supporting role in the intensity of love that a man will feel for a woman.]

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  144. on April 5, 2011 at 7:12 pm Ted

    Knew an Asian chick in college that was sought after by many of the guys in our dorm. She took full advantage of what her youth gave her. But, by the time she hit 22, it was over. Problem was, the guys would just hit it and quit it. Although she did not let on, it must have taken a toll. She gained a lot of weight. After all, if they men she wants are not going to stick around, why bother keeping an eye on fitness?

    OTOH, her closest friend, also Asian, but never more than a 6, took a different route. She did not have a boyfriend in undergrad, but once she went off to med school, she settled down with the first guy who expressed an interest. From what I hear, he was nothing to look at nor that ambitious, but her liked her. They married and had a kid. So, she does not have to pay attention to this nonsense.

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  145. on April 5, 2011 at 7:22 pm xsplat

    blert

    That construct was entirely developed for the nobility by the genes of females so as to emotionally justify Alpha swooping — the ever popular court sport.

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  146. on April 5, 2011 at 7:25 pm Tarl

    She may have lost her youth and looks, but she kept all the filth and (no doubt) also the stink she had way back when, so she’s got that going for her!

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  147. on April 5, 2011 at 7:31 pm senseiern

    [Editor: Actually, I should qualify point 1, too. Beauty is a necessary prerequisite for a man to fall in love with a woman, but it is not the sole precondition. Femininity, generosity and kindness as well as personality traits and mannerisms play a minor supporting role in the intensity that a man will feel for a woman.]

    These other traits are what will keep a man devoted to a woman after she hits the wall.

    Many of today’s women are so focused on getting the looks as good as possible that they neglect the other aspects. Some neglect it because they were never taught. Some neglect because they worked so hard on getting the attraction from a man that they are too lazy to work on the other aspects.

    There would be fewer divorces if women learned that they need a reason for a guy to keep her around after the beauty is gone. Instead, they go into breakdown mode, where they focus on breaking a guy’s ego down so that he has no hope of attracting other women.

    That is why you find a lot of guys in their 40s learning game…they were in a relationship to a long-faded woman who no longer brought anything to the relationship.

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  148. on April 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm Burton

    Naturally, some of you will say that Afghanistan is a tough place, and any woman living there would age faster than her pampered Western counterpart.

    The thing is, this female looks much better at 30 than a lot of AW of the same age.

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  149. on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 pm xsplat

    Gramps

    Of course, nothing about their getting old makes me the slightest sorry for them. They had youth and beauty. What did they do with those gifts?

    You are of the crowd that admonishes women to trade youthful beauty for a stable marriage to a high value male. You see this as her best personal option and one that coincides with the greatest social benefit.

    Do you really think women so stupid that their current choices of fucking many alphas is not in their best interest?

    Women are not stupid.

    Even many men prefer the live hard die young attitude.

    Youth and beauty are not squandered if spent on glorious cock.

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  150. on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 pm tacomaster

    Speaking of beauty quickly fading, I was on my buddies Facebook last night scrolling through his friend list when I came upon a girl I knew back in college only 4 years ago. She was an 8 at the time, turned heads but was a major bitch! She was always on defensive mode. Scrolling through her pictures (now she’s 27 and maybe a 2) it looks like she’s gained about 30 pounds, married an overweight loser and has a few kids. Oh, her hair is super short (like most American women–kill me!).I just laughed at the whole thing. And of course her profile picture is of her back in college but once I did some digging found her true self lol. It’s great to be a man 🙂

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  151. on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 pm xsplat

    I don’t get you future time oriented guys. You talk as if the present counts for nothing, as if all of life is nothing but a preparation for the “golden years”.

    Our time on earth is limited. Why not have your golden years in your twenties? Is that so much worse than having them in your eighties?

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  152. on April 5, 2011 at 8:01 pm Kingbeef

    And then there is this:

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/health-15749655/woman-takes-anti-age-surgeries-to-extreme-24795116

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  153. on April 5, 2011 at 8:08 pm Gilbert

    Nice analysis, but I suggest the second photo is a bit unfair. She should be wearing the same sort of veil as her 13-yo self, allowing us to glimpse at her tousled hair, which might have made her look a bit prettier. Of course allowing her to smile might have helped too.

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  154. on April 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm YA

    xsplat:

    Shut the fuck up. We get that you’re a Nietzchian badass who cares for nothing.

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  155. on April 5, 2011 at 8:16 pm xsplat

    YA, you are not reading for comprehension.

    I could show you the many ways that I’m not nihilistic, but I doubt you care. You’re just trying the easiest emotional argument you can find against me, and truth be damned.

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  156. on April 5, 2011 at 8:21 pm Pro

    @xsplat

    Nietzsche was not a nihilist. In fact his philosophy is a reaction against nihilism.

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  157. on April 5, 2011 at 8:21 pm Fubsy

    38 years old

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  158. on April 5, 2011 at 8:22 pm Me

    “Youth and beauty are not squandered if spent on glorious cock.”

    Tell that to every single woman who can’t find a man she’d like to marry and ends up with a loser she wouldn’t have looked at twice in her 20’s.

    Young women are neurotic unhappy and hate their lives and themselves. The happy slut is extremely rare. Most of these girls would love to get married. They just lie to themselves because their friends and shitty magazines tell them they’re supposed to have jobs and multiple cocks in them at the same time.

    Yes most people are incredibly stupid. Men can afford to fuck nonstop in their 20’s and even 30’s and 40’s. Women cannot and they realize that and that’s why they’re stupid for doing it.

    And they aren’t fucking “Alphas”. Douchebags in a club are douchebags who put all their effort into being douchebags. Douchebags in the produce section making dumb jokes so they can make her feel like she’s not next to a psycho are not alphas. Loudmouths in bars are not alphas. A guy you’d drop in a second when the next best thing comes along is not an alpha. They’re playing dress-up.

    Henry Kissinger is a motherfucking Alpha.

    If these girls had met a real alpha, there would be no stopping them from pursuing the ring.

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  159. on April 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm xsplat

    You’d call the slogan “be here now” a slogan about caring for nothing. You’d call a meditating zen monk a nihilist.

    I find it caring for nothing to forever live in the future. The future is never now, and we can only enjoy life now.

    It is the future oriented who are nihilists.

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  160. on April 5, 2011 at 8:26 pm xsplat

    Pro – “caring for nothing” is nihilist.

    And I didn’t get my ideas from Niesche. Any overlap is coincidental. I never refer to him, nor need to.

    My world view is of my own construction – you can not find any other man with the same.

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  161. on April 5, 2011 at 9:13 pm la vie onyx

    Simon Cowell married (is about to marry?) an older Afghan American woman who immigrated to the US years ago… after hiking through the Afghan mountains for days as a child.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1249776/Mezhgan-Hussainy-Has-Simon-Cowell-finally-ideal-womanr.html

    http://a11news.com/2823/mezhgan-hussainy/

    Not bad for a 37 year old, especially when a woman younger than her is worse for wear like above.

    The woman above could have aged like this as well… Same ethnicity… different environmental factors (maybe genetic too, within one race there is variability).

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  162. on April 5, 2011 at 9:13 pm dana

    no one even mentions what REAL girl game is:

    after initial attraction with at least minimum of attractiveness that will inevitably fade–

    1. sweetness

    2. being nurturing and genuinely giving, not jealously guarding favors like your engaged in the iterated prisoner’s dilemma with your mate

    3. making the man’s interests primary

    5. smile smile smile smile

    6. admiration, hero worship, gratitude, approval

    7. silence

    8. blow jobs with eye contact

    women do definitely experience nebulous, largely biological “feelings” like “love” more than men, but a women can inspire virtues in a man that outlive her appearance, virtues of which women are almost uniformly incapable– honor, loyalty, lifelong duty–if she plays her cards right

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  163. on April 5, 2011 at 9:18 pm Nicole

    “Posts like this eloquently show what it has taken me almost ten years of life experience to learn: men are incapable of love. While women can love a person, men are only capable of perhaps thoughtful lust protracted for a few years, at most.

    [Editor: Female youth and beauty is a necessary prerequisite for love to flourish. Women, just like men, love conditionally as well — most women cannot love a man they deem too beta, charmless, or weak. So you are wrong.]”

    I disagree with both of you.

    Men love more unconditionally than women, even those who are more about business than pleasure or intimacy. The male ability to bond can reach to the lowest depths, and in the man’s mind, even if it’s in hos alone, pull a woman to the highest heights.

    This is why the U.S. hasn’t become a complete wasteland…yet.

    Men fall in love with whores. They fall in love with bitches. Sometimes they even fall in love with grizzly bears, unrequited as that may be. Women who’ve married men who are dedicated to a cause or career have often understood that they were in all ways but sexually, sharing their man with an *idea*.

    Men love in a way that is connected to, but surpasses their biology. Sometimes they backwards rationalize to make it seem more legitimate, but the truth is that the shallowness thing is a feminist projection.

    Men have very clear divisions between lust and love when they haven’t been socially/culturally fiddled with. They know well the difference between a good shag, a good breeder, and someone they’re bonded to and life wouldn’t feel as worth living without. There’s plenty of overlap, but quite often, these are different people.

    Signs of youth, fertility, and health incite lust, to be sure, but love is something else.

    I see it as a problem that women expect to be all three at the same time forever nowadays. That’s an ideal that seldom ever panned out in real life.

    So in principle, I agree that women should be realistic about how long they have to automatically incite lust on sight. They should not expect however, to be abandoned in all ways just because they age out. To think that way is misandrist, not to mention, factually wrong.

    When a man loves you (as opposed to just finding you useful) he LOVES you. You can lose that or cause him to love you from a safe distance if you screw up. So don’t screw up, and don’t feel like it’s okay for you to screw up because you think he’s going to bail out. If you make him emotionally live out of a suitcase, one day you’ll find it and him missing.

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  164. on April 5, 2011 at 9:45 pm chi-town

    Credit where credit is due :Valerie Bertinelli

    http://www.realbollywood.com/news/2011/01/valerie-bertinelli-marries-50.html

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  165. on April 5, 2011 at 9:56 pm TomJW

    My Dad used to say,”I’m gonna kill the guy who called this the golden years.”

    Enjoy your life all the time without wasting your self. The future comes and you can’t be ready for all of it.

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  166. on April 5, 2011 at 10:00 pm Tim

    blow jobs with eye contact.

    yep. however, I must admit, when I look down at my gf as she administering the bj, she kinda looks like a guppy.

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  167. on April 5, 2011 at 10:17 pm xsplat

    Me, I’m not sure if you want me to address any of your points.

    Are these your points?
    1) Girls on the cock carousel aren’t fucking real alphas.
    2) Girls don’t know what they want, but if they did know, they’d know that what they really want is to be married
    3) Girls have difficulty finding a suitable mate because they are blinded by modern society as to what true value is.
    4) Girls who don’t marry young will get true justice in the end. Justice being a lower quality of life than they could have had.

    Guys want to believe numbers 1 through 4. We want to believe that life is just. We want to believe that what is in our sexual best interest (women marrying young, if we are not cads), is in womens best interest.

    But if you look around you, you won’t find justice. You won’t find cat ladies. You’ll find women making a balanced judgment of when is the right time to settle, and settling, and doing fine. Women do marry in their thirties.

    Could they have had a better man when younger? Maybe yes, maybe no. Some older girls do unjustifiably well in the marriage market late in life. And some young girls could have spent more time learning how to get a high value man, rather than getting what they can get right away. Nowadays a girl can easily wait until 28 to marry, fucking around as much as she likes, with NO penalty.

    It’s not fair – it’s life.

    Now if the above are your points:
    1) Girls on the cock carousel aren’t fucking real alphas.
    * The working definition of this blog is that alpha traits are whatever is attractive to women. It is therefore tautological that there are no fake alphas. If the girls are fucking them preferentially, they are alphas.

    2) Girls don’t know what they want, but if they did know, they’d know that what they really want is to be married
    * Whatever girls are doing in real life is what they want.

    3) Girls have difficulty finding a suitable mate because they are blinded by modern society as to what true value is.
    * He he. You wish. Who is to say that women’s lust for the bad boy is anti-evolutionary? Maybe the charismatic cad is of superior genetic stock to the geek nerd boy square with that diamond ring in hand. Whose to say she needs him to raise superior genes?

    4) Girls who don’t marry young will get true justice in the end. Justice being a lower quality of life than they could have had.
    * You wish.

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  168. on April 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm last tango

    @dana,

    women do definitely experience nebulous, largely biological “feelings” like “love” more than men

    gotta be kidding me… Calling GBFM, lollz.

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  169. on April 5, 2011 at 10:31 pm Tad

    I am left speechless.

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  170. on April 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm last tango

    though perhaps there is a rational point, back to my earlier comment. Being in love is not a “manly” trait and you, dana among with others, are talking about specific men that you fall in love with. And it sure does piss off those of us who had to learn that behavior. But on the other hand, yeah, perhaps talking about how real men do fall in love, hard, is just as pathetic as a fatty rambling “this is what a real woman looks like”. Even though both things are somewhat true, lolz.

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  171. on April 5, 2011 at 10:39 pm old guy

    @Aurini

    To quote Robert Heinlein, from Stranger in a Strange Land:

    “Anybody can look at a pretty girl and see a pretty girl. An artist can look at a pretty girl and see the old woman she will become. A better artist can look at an old woman and see the pretty girl that she used to be. But a great artist-a master-and that is what Auguste Rodin was-can look at an old woman, protray her exactly as she is…and force the viewer to see the pretty girl she used to be…and more than that, he can make anyone with the sensitivity of an armadillo, or even you, see that this lovely young girl is still alive, not old and ugly at all, but simply prisoned inside her ruined body. He can make you feel the quiet, endless tragedy that there was never a girl born who ever grew older than eighteen in her heart…no matter what the merciless hours have done to her. Look at her, Ben. Growing old doesn’t matter to you and me; we were never meant to be admired-but it does to them.”

    THANK YOU, SIR.

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  172. on April 5, 2011 at 10:42 pm xsplat

    But on the other hand, yeah, perhaps talking about how real men do fall in love, hard, is just as pathetic as a fatty rambling “this is what a real woman looks like”. Even though both things are somewhat true, lolz.

    He he.

    Men and women both fall in love, but the love is different. Men are more romantic and less fickle, women are more puppy-dod-devoted.

    Men love the very idea of love as a revered institution. Women love the specific man subserviently.

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  173. on April 5, 2011 at 10:44 pm Anton

    @ Nicole

    “Men have very clear divisions between lust and love when they haven’t been socially/culturally fiddled with. They know well the difference between a good shag, a good breeder, and someone they’re bonded to and life wouldn’t feel as worth living without. There’s plenty of overlap, but quite often, these are different people.

    Signs of youth, fertility, and health incite lust, to be sure, but love is something else.

    I see it as a problem that women expect to be all three at the same time forever nowadays. That’s an ideal that seldom ever panned out in real life.”

    Most women (even young ones) know this is true in theory, but most also think (against all odds) that they and their soulmate can be an exception. Disillusionment follows.

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  174. on April 5, 2011 at 10:46 pm last tango

    @Tad

    “Gay Hendricks”… Couldn’t make that up!

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  175. on April 5, 2011 at 10:56 pm pimpan

    @Fubsy she’s cute. Physical fitness makes a huge difference, and of course, being Asian helps. A 25 year-old will always look better than a 40 year-old, but unless you plan to marry one it’s moot.

    Come on people, don’t treat women like they’re collectibles. They’re not. Collectibles go up in value.

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  176. on April 5, 2011 at 11:02 pm xsplat

    Women are also fond of trying to scare men into early marriage.

    “If you don’t stop catting around you’ll die alone!”

    He he he.

    I’ve got to admit it’s a smooth move.

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  177. on April 5, 2011 at 11:11 pm Hmmm....

    In her youth a woman can get quite used to men walking through a burning house to bring her a glass of water.

    From this height it is a great way to fall down to calling the guy across the street, “Hey, I’m naked. Want to come over?” “I’m watching my favorite TV show. Can I take a rain check?”

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  178. on April 5, 2011 at 11:18 pm old guy

    @ Nicole

    “If you make him emotionally live out of a suitcase, one day you’ll find it and him missing.”

    Damn, Nicole, every now and then, you are right on the dime.

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  179. on April 5, 2011 at 11:20 pm Brilliant Anon

    “knepper
    I don’t disagree that the girl has aged alot in 15 years, and that physical beauty has faded. But the eyes are the window to the soul. One look in this woman’s eyes, and you can see something that resembles the visage of a whipped dog–a combination of fear and resentment. No doubt, having something to do with living in an Islamic paradise. That has aged her, I bet, at least as much as a life of hard, physical labor.”

    A hard life begets a hard body ugly body. I also agree that the sun is a serial killer of looks. A girl I worked with tanned to a nice bright orange and put on sluty make up. I thought she was in her mid 30’s until I asked some one and realized she was in her early 20’s. Also, many women don’t work out. Guys age slower because they work out more often. I know tons of great looking women that I would love to fuck even though they are in their 50’s. Back in the day they were major athletes and still work out.

    Keys to staying young:

    No sun tanning
    work out
    health diet
    supplements
    positive attitude

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  180. on April 5, 2011 at 11:21 pm old guy

    @ dana

    “no one even mentions what REAL girl game is:

    after initial attraction with at least minimum of attractiveness that will inevitably fade–

    1. sweetness

    2. being nurturing and genuinely giving, not jealously guarding favors like your engaged in the iterated prisoner’s dilemma with your mate

    3. making the man’s interests primary

    5. smile smile smile smile

    6. admiration, hero worship, gratitude, approval

    7. silence

    8. blow jobs with eye contact

    women do definitely experience nebulous, largely biological “feelings” like “love” more than men, but a women can inspire virtues in a man that outlive her appearance, virtues of which women are almost uniformly incapable– honor, loyalty, lifelong duty–if she plays her cards right”

    BINGO !!!

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  181. on April 5, 2011 at 11:23 pm Me

    Justice and fairness are imaginary and irrelevant as well as subjective and have nothing to do with 1 through 3 and 4 was made up by you.
    —–
    Now if the above are your points:
    1) Girls on the cock carousel aren’t fucking real alphas.
    * The working definition of this blog is that alpha traits are whatever is attractive to women. It is therefore tautological that there are no fake alphas. If the girls are fucking them preferentially, they are alphas.

    2) Girls don’t know what they want, but if they did know, they’d know that what they really want is to be married
    * Whatever girls are doing in real life is what they want.

    3) Girls have difficulty finding a suitable mate because they are blinded by modern society as to what true value is.
    * He he. You wish. Who is to say that women’s lust for the bad boy is anti-evolutionary? Maybe the charismatic cad is of superior genetic stock to the geek nerd boy square with that diamond ring in hand. Whose to say she needs him to raise superior genes?
    .

    —–

    I don’t care if that’s Roissy’s definition or anyone else’s on this blog. It’s incomplete so I ignore it. Henry Kissinger will steal the girlfriend of every self proclaimed alpha on this and every other game blog. You will then be granted permission to smell her on his small flaccid penis. Because he is power.

    I said nothing about evolution. People don’t sense genes. They see what’s in front of them and that may or may not be the result of supposedly superior genetics. If it’s genetics then this blog is a waste of time and bandwidth.

    The high depression and divorce rate should tell you all you need to know about how happy these late marryers are. They’re as delusional now as they were in their 20’s, hoping Prince Charming will ride on by, slowing down just long enough to swoop them onto his horse on his way to Everlasting Happiness Land.

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  182. on April 5, 2011 at 11:26 pm Me

    “If it’s genetics then this blog is a waste of time and bandwidth.”

    that should say “..if it’s entirely the result of superior genetics..”

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  183. on April 5, 2011 at 11:32 pm Anton

    Femininity; generosity; kindness; sweetness; being nurturing and genuinely giving, not jealously guarding favors like your engaged in the iterated prisoner’s dilemma with your mate;making the man’s interests primary; smile smile smile smile;admiration, hero worship, gratitude, approval; silence; blow jobs with eye contact. (Thanks to CR and Dana).

    Yes, these characteristics (oh, add “thin” and “fit”) go a long way towards leveling the playing field between older and younger girls. Even for sex.

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  184. on April 6, 2011 at 12:07 am aoefe

    I have paid attention to what’s been written about female beauty and what attracts men. I was a super hottie in my 20’s and mourned the loss of attention as I entered my 30’s, but rather than give up I have worked hard to maintain some of the markers of youth. I still turn heads, but admittedly far fewer than in my heyday. I’ve documented my dating trials and tribs and tested many of the theories found on this blog – many, many of them accurate. Men like a looker.

    I just gotta point out, however, that although no longer a virgin, or young I do attract men who are both interesting and interested in more than a pump and dump. I have attracted alphas believe it or not. I will soon settle down with one. He wants to be with me because he finds me hot, he finds me sexually inventive and he likes my femininity. I’m sold out on him and he knows and loves it. He likes my values and believes my easy going personality suits his. As our fine host mentions there are supporting attributes. Youth is desirable I agree, but it doesn’t have to mean the rest of us lose. Just sayin’.

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  185. on April 6, 2011 at 12:23 am aoefe

    I forgot to shout out to my girl Dana. As usual she just rocks the comments and totally (totally) gets it!

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  186. on April 6, 2011 at 12:47 am 7:47

    @aoefe

    Does he know about your past?

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  187. on April 6, 2011 at 12:51 am aoefe

    @7:47
    He has his own.

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  188. on April 6, 2011 at 12:53 am xsplat

    @7:47 – the world would make so much more sense to you if there were justice, wouldn’t it?

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  189. on April 6, 2011 at 1:02 am rg

    Beta(s) of the year nomination.

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  190. on April 6, 2011 at 1:04 am anonymouses anonymous

    Cool story, aoefe!

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  191. on April 6, 2011 at 1:13 am Rum

    Beauty fades, but then so does everything else we want to hold onto. Welcome to life on Planet Earth.
    Most women hate hearing it, but what makes for the strongest bonding for a guy are considerations that are largely impersonal, in a way. I mean, if you are thrown into a critical situation with some random people and, in the end, they hold up their end of a deal you must hold up your end. It is like, The Rule. And it makes no difference who they are as individuals. All militaries work on this principle. Loyalty is to the Team and people in it are basically interchangeable.
    If a woman who is in the wife role (however she got there) makes an obvious effort to hold up her end (as artfully described by Dana and (gasp!! Nicole) of the deal the average guy would cheerfully run thru machine gun fire to save her even if she was when she was 95 years old and wrinkled and demented. None of that would matter. He would do it to keep his self respect.
    That plus the memory of good blow jobs – which is nearly as powerful.

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  192. on April 6, 2011 at 1:17 am Beautiful Truths Ignored

    Women, there is a way to look young and beautiful your entire life.

    When you are a 21 year old virgin, at your peak beauty, marry a male virgin.

    The vision of your beauty will forever be burned deeply into his brain.

    60 years latter, when all the rest of the world sees you as a wrinkly old hag, he will still remember you as you were in your prime, his angel of light.

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  193. on April 6, 2011 at 1:26 am stormy

    Dammit. I passed my prime before I even entered high school.

    &^*&*$%^$#%@#$$#%^^&^%&%^&

    19 & over the hill.

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  194. on April 6, 2011 at 1:34 am stormy

    Also, I think it’s funny to talk about fat American women here because the Middle East has some of the highest obesity rates in the world.

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  195. on April 6, 2011 at 1:36 am Tim

    If a woman who is in the wife role (however she got there) makes an obvious effort to hold up her end (as artfully described by Dana and (gasp!! Nicole) of the deal the average guy would cheerfully run thru machine gun fire to save her even if she was when she was 95 years old and wrinkled and demented.

    co-sign.

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  196. on April 6, 2011 at 2:07 am xsplat

    Jerry made an interesting comment lately. He mentioned the historical theory that the sexual revolution was not a feminist product, but a product of alpha male cads looking to increase their action.

    Rarely some blog commentors thank feminism for the pussy boon. More often commentors pull a the-spearhead.com and instead of trying to accurately describe reality and how to work with it, work together to try to proscribe reality. Explain to each other and women the way things SHOULD be.

    As I’ve been trying to explain, these are the two main sexual strategies that men use. Either band together as men to proscribe social reality that limits women’s sexual freedom, and thus help insure a greater number of men mate than would be the case if women were free to choose, or be a free lovin’ bohemian cad falling in and out of love and lust as the spirit moves him.

    Jerry pointed out more clearly another thing that has occasionally been questioned here. The blog authors fall into the camp of those want to shame women into early marriage. And yet at odds with that is the calculated lifestyle of the cad. The author has occasionally hinted at a more bohemian style of loving, but also seems disgusted at impurity (shitty bums, pre-used vag), cares not if girls come, and generally doesn’t give off the vibe of being into intimacy. He seems therefore to be born into camp#1 but taken up the lifestyle of camp#2.

    It is rare that we hear the voice of men who prefer to enjoy one or two years of girls life – maybe when they are between 19 and 26, and then move on to the next.

    I know those men are out there. Those are the men that game theory and this very blog insists are the type that women preferentially choose for sex when not seeking to cement monetary security.

    Where are your voices on this blog?

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  197. on April 6, 2011 at 2:39 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Editor: My GF, who is 26, thought Clooney was hot in The American. There is no similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom I or any man I know could say the same

    Helen Mirren, who is north of sixty, is thoroughly and eminently fuckable.

    [Editor: Helen Mirren? Uh, no. That’s just gross. Being attractive for 60 does not mean being fuckable.]

    If you walk around any decently ritzy American neighborhood, you will see plenty of women in their 40s who are also eminently fuckable.

    [If by plenty you mean 1 out of 100, then yes, I agree.]

    Sure, the absolute zenith is pretty early. But let’s get real here, fellas

    [Keepin it real, governor.]

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  198. on April 6, 2011 at 2:53 am maurice

    @Nicole- great comment. some times you knock it out of the park…

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  199. on April 6, 2011 at 2:55 am Suck it, Valentina « Becoming Alpha

    […] roissy post made me think of […]

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  200. on April 6, 2011 at 2:57 am peterquixote

    good post dude

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  201. on April 6, 2011 at 2:58 am Rivelino

    well done roissy.

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  202. on April 6, 2011 at 3:02 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Qué tal –

    One incident a women told me while almost shouting because I told a friend to go to a so and so bar that is famous for having young girls, that I go for young girls because I want “dumb and easy” girls…yeh, young hot girls are “easy”, talk about delusion. if that was true, EVERY MAN WOULD TRY TO DATE THEM.

    white women in their early thirties are the EASIEST to bang from my personal experience.

    Are you at least 35 years old? If not, you’re either nuts or very, very sexually passive.
    When I was in my twenties, it was literally orders of magnitude easier to fuck younger women than older ones.

    Quiz time: At what age are women more likely to be sexually adventurous/indiscriminate/spontaneous? (a) early twenties, (b) late twenties, (c) later than that.
    The answer is (a). Duh

    If you are not at least 35 years old and you find it easier to get with older women, this just means that you’re too passive to get with younger ones. Younger women are … well, sluttier, but older women are more likely to be sexual aggressors.

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  203. on April 6, 2011 at 3:44 am luvsic

    [Editor: Point 4 needs qualifying. A man’s love will morph into an affectionate love and away from a romantic, lustful love with the aging of his lover.]

    This is something that women find nearly as hard to accept as being dumped.

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  204. on April 6, 2011 at 4:02 am walawala

    This is all true. One exception is when you dump women for being schlubby and they suddenly transform into hotties as if to show you, that you made a mistake.

    My ex-wife suddenly went from being a shlub to being a hottie wearing short-skirts, heels etc.

    Never did see how she ended up after she re-married. But probably went back.

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  205. on April 6, 2011 at 4:07 am xsplat

    Walawala

    My ex-wife suddenly went from being a shlub to being a hottie wearing short-skirts, heels etc.

    I’ve never heard of that before.

    Mine turned the noun balloon into a verb.

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  206. on April 6, 2011 at 4:11 am The Decline of Beauty | Sibling of Daedalus

    […] don’t have to go very far, on the internet, to read about how female beauty is fleeting.   I’m not going to waste any time denying this.    My only quibble is that these […]

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  207. on April 6, 2011 at 4:23 am (R)Evolutionary

    This post is great in that I think it has the potential to enlighten men to some of the psychological ravages of aging. Especially reading some of the early comments regarding once-stunning celebrities, etc.

    The loss of youth and attractiveness is absolutely devastating to women, particularly in western culture. As this blog has made clear many times, women’s primary currency in this world is their beauty.

    Women become invisible after a certain age, and that cuts deeply. I see it all the time, it’s very common. In particular, the most beautiful women, the ones with the most investment in their looks, the ones who received the greatest validation in their youth, they get hit the hardest. I know of one woman, a former model, too proud to get plastic surgery or botox like her cohorts, (thankfully, that shit’s even worse than growing old gracefully) who is absolutely shell-shocked. It has taken her almost a decade to get over the loss of her beauty. A big part of it came from the fact that she divorced her CEO husband in her late 30’s, and couldn’t ever hold onto a lover after that. Her world caved in.

    In contrast, the healthiest, happiest older folks, both men and women that I’ve met, are those who’ve built their self-image and self worth on something other than perishable physical characteristics, like, well, character, humor, intellectual curiosity, emotional energy or fiestiness, etc.

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  208. on April 6, 2011 at 4:50 am Anon77

    @ Nicole

    Spot-on analysis of mens’ capacity for love.

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  209. on April 6, 2011 at 6:32 am z

    Great post.

    Ive noted to myself several times that modern cosmetics (common make-up, hair color) allows women to look younger than their years, thus fooling themselves longer about their reproductive market-value, enabling cougarism. In many ways it would be better for them if it was never invented and they, like men, faced the world with their true appearance. Those tiny lines that appear at 25 would be much more of a _red alert_ if it were so.

    They peak at about 16-20 in most cases. Thats just a ugly biological truth. A man however, can get rich and still be attractive decades later (George Clooney in his 50’s). Its not “fair”, but life isn’t fair.

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  210. on April 6, 2011 at 7:06 am itsme



    ‘divine feminine energy’? seriously??

    these guys are either nut jobs, or having a big laugh.

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  211. on April 6, 2011 at 7:31 am cynical optimist

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2011/0405/1224293859246.html

    direct quote from the article
    “Men! Still, where would we be without them? Not in this mess, actually: in Canada, which has emerged unscathed, the Regulator was female.”

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  212. on April 6, 2011 at 7:43 am intp

    How a woman looks affects how a man feels about her.

    How a women feels about a man affects how he looks to her.

    (e.g., Beauty and the Beast)

    Extra:
    Feminine youth and beauty is the key to unlocking a man’s love. It opens a doorway in him to God that he pours into her as love. Both are happy. Women, unfortunately and selfishly, believe if they ban man’s access to feminine youth and beauty (via sexual predator laws and calling men perverts) he will be forced to love only her — older women. This delusion is a philosophical cornerstone of feminism and has resulted in the evaporation of romantic love in the West. Because it ignores spiritual laws. Empowering women destroyed romantic love.

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  213. on April 6, 2011 at 7:47 am ‘The Wasp Woman’ (1959) — a favorite movie on a favorite theme | Five Feet of Fury

    […] something I’ve written about and pondered for decades, and happened to find a great post about yesterday here, at the extremely frank/mean spirited site of “alpha male/game/pick up artist” Roissey […]

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  214. on April 6, 2011 at 7:50 am Mary

    I am praying someone on this blog covers this ……for lack of a better word……’story’:

    Please please pretty please 🙂

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  215. on April 6, 2011 at 8:05 am Anne

    I thought older men were supposed to be irresistible.

    To an extent. After a certain point, if a woman is attracted to a man, it will be due to factors other than simple physical attractiveness. Men have their limits, too, and things such as going bald, losing teeth, developing a large gut, and other factors will be marks against you; you will need to have other assets to make up for your defects.

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  216. on April 6, 2011 at 8:06 am Anne

    To put it another way: yes, it’s true that women age quicker than men, but it’s not in men’s interest to let themselves go, either.

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  217. on April 6, 2011 at 8:25 am Mary

    Ooh, sorry for the reposting of the Beta-boys video….I should have known better than to think you band of evil vultures could have missed it 😆

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  218. on April 6, 2011 at 8:29 am walawala

    @xsplat….I’ve had that phenomenon a few times.

    We break up, they suddenly look smoking hot.

    Then….not so much.

    Someone here wrote that this post is a reminder there is a cure for oneitis.

    Yes.

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  219. on April 6, 2011 at 8:38 am The Truth

    Awesome pick up video!! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw&feature=player_embedded

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  220. on April 6, 2011 at 8:48 am alias clio

    “[Editor: My GF, who is 26, thought Clooney was hot in The American. There is no similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom I or any man I know could say the same.]”

    I seem to remember that half the men who used to comment here regularly, including Himself, our host, thought Monica Bellucci was not only hot, but just about the last word in hotness.

    [Editor: n o t a n y m o r e.]

    And she’s in her late 40s, is she not?

    [Tragically, she is no longer the beauty she once was.]

    I wouldn’t bother to make such a comment, since I know how you fellows feel about averages and exceptions, but in this case, you opened yourself to it by saying there was *no* similarly-aged Hollywood actress for whom etc….

    Clio Redux

    [Ok, maybe there are one or two. But for every one old actress who still has it there are 100 old actors feelin the love of millions of young nubile female fans.]

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  221. on April 6, 2011 at 9:40 am blacksquirrel

    “The heartbreak is not so bad for those of us who weren’t raving beauties to begin with.”

    True enough. At my peak, I was a 7 at best. I would encourage all lovely younger women to forgo video gaming losers in their cohort and enjoy the company of older men. I did this on occasion when I was younger and am all the better for it! You only get one chance–revel in it.

    But what is soul crushing is that if you are older, but super fit and dress well, you have to contend with vile, fat female hosebeasts who will make your life a living hell in the workplace. So not only do you have to deal with the decline in catcalls and lustful looks, but as a good specimen of a certain age you are STILL l not homely enough to quell the ire within other female colleagues who have hit the wall by age 25. Life sucks. If I had the guts to do myself in, I would.

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  222. on April 6, 2011 at 9:46 am maurice

    Hello Clio! Welcome back- if only temporarily. I hope you are enjoying married life and your retirement from the blogosphere.

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  223. on April 6, 2011 at 9:53 am what

    Haven’t you noticed that there are ugly people holding hands and making oooy, gooy eyes at each other? When there is chemistry there is chemistry and whoever you’re with, no matter how ugly other people think they are, when you’re in love everything looks better, sexier, shinier, fresher, ….you know what I mean.

    hehe!!

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  224. on April 6, 2011 at 9:54 am JAFO

    Great post; not reading through 214 comments, but…

    Smoking (and binge drinking barfly life) hasten hitting the wall, and double the impact with said wall.

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  225. on April 6, 2011 at 9:54 am UAF

    I read this blog and it makes me sick, because it reinforces everything I knew to be true. My mistakes were multiple; I was born short (big negative chain reaction there), believed that ‘doing the right thing’ was meaningful as a prerequisite to eliciting love/desire from women, and believed the do-gooders who constantly.. scratch that, incessantly told me that everything I saw with my own eyeglobes was untrue.

    Now when I look at this site and see the goddamned lies masquerading as optimistic advice; ‘Oh women aren’t like that..’, ‘Older women can be just as attractive as young women.’, ‘It’s what’s inside that matters.’ ‘Women want a good man…’

    Ineffective, they splash like angry mewling waves of bullshit against the tower of truth Roissy created in a roiling sea during the goddamned women initiated shit storm of current reality.

    I myself have been putting a great deal of thought into marriage, and the main problems I find are trusting women, trying to get the truth out of them, and thinking of if I want a woman who has done and ENJOYED the kind of uninhibited, nasty, filthy things with other men which these same women would never consider doing with me in my current state or ever. Also, could I really compete with her priors and the real or inflated memories/fantasies she has of her cherished yesterfucks?

    Screw this. Roissy is making me re-examine everything, and it is tough.

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  226. on April 6, 2011 at 9:55 am maurice

    also, the board might enjoy this-

    http://www.theonion.com/video/internet-outage-forces-public-into-street-to-voice,19895/

    if board comments turned into street theater. GBFM would get a sidewalk of his own.

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  227. on April 6, 2011 at 9:59 am VG

    I’m still not convinced they’re the same person. I remember watching that Nat Geo documentary when they ‘rediscovered’ her, and it seems to be based on some flimsy evidence. A lot of other women came forward claiming to be her, she may have been lucky or got the back story right. I’m not denying the ravages of aging, of course.

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  228. on April 6, 2011 at 10:11 am maurice

    hi aoefe- thanks for the shout-out. yes, let’s not summon the Kraken. hope all is well w you…!

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  229. on April 6, 2011 at 10:15 am Rollo Tomassi

    Even prior to prepubescence, young girls are aware of the Wall. They’re made aware of it in every aspect of popular media, every social context, even in the way small girls socialize amongst themselves. The ever-presence of the Wall has been part of every female’s acculturation across every society for millennia. The Wall is universal.

    The looming deadline of female sexual irrelevancy covertly colors every aspect of inter-sexual dynamics between both genders – from dating to marriage, to hooking up, to dealing with your female boss at work. So overwhelming is the fear of sexual validity competition among women that it became necessary to condition into men from early childhood social conventions that are specifically engineered to circumvent, postpone or deny the existence of the reality of eventual sexual irrelevancy in women. Men are literally raised and socially conditioned to believe that women are intrinsically more valuable than they are, all in an effort to forestall the inevitable male acknowledgement that women progressively decline in sexual value.

    So we’re fed a steady diet of social conventions like:
    • The myths of the Cougar
    • Female sexual peak being in women’s 30s and 40s
    • The soulmate myth
    • Uniquely male shaming for not “manning up” to women’s expectations
    • Female sexual viability being redefined based on academic and professional status
    • Shame for men desiring younger women
    • Body image psychological redefining of feminine beauty

    And these are only a few of the hundreds of social conventions embedded in our collective consciousness; all designed with the latent purpose of keeping women sexually competitive for as long as possible while simultaneously keeping men ignorant of the Wall long enough to secure a long term provisioning from them.

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  230. on April 6, 2011 at 10:22 am RoyBlatty

    “A woman’s age is an enormous factor in attractiveness. The blank-slaters will, of course, argue ferociously that beauty is a mere social construct.”

    I am amazed that those creatures will go around using terms like “social construct” while a very real construct- a hard cock is -what defines beauty!

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  231. on April 6, 2011 at 10:24 am PA

    For a moment I had to scratch my head on who the she-devil is and then it’s “oh, yeah, I remember”.

    The Kraken is too busy pursuing his unrequitted bromance with one of the individuals on Chateau’s blogroll.

    Speaking of old home characters, Tupac gave his enigmatic goodbye at Chuck’s a few months ago. I hope he’s doing well. If you’re reading, that was solid guitar advice you gave me.

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  232. on April 6, 2011 at 10:34 am Anne

    I’m still not convinced they’re the same person. I remember watching that Nat Geo documentary when they ‘rediscovered’ her, and it seems to be based on some flimsy evidence.

    Does it matter, for the point of this post? They may not have gotten the right person, but even if it isn’t her, chances are the real woman has undergone some deterioration.

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  233. on April 6, 2011 at 10:42 am dragnet

    @ aoefe

    “Youth is desirable I agree, but it doesn’t have to mean the rest of us lose. Just sayin’.”

    I don’t think anyone is saying that everyone else loses—just that, in the aggregate, when older women compete with younger women in the SMP, younger women tend to come out on top. I don’t see how any other conclusion is even arguable.

    More older women than younger ones will be left without chairs when the music stops. The problem is that too many young women frittered away their best years hoping to be one of old women who came out on top in the end. It is, and remains, a pretty foolish gamble.

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  234. on April 6, 2011 at 10:49 am jkc

    that’s her at 30??? damn. that’s beat.

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  235. on April 6, 2011 at 10:50 am Rollo Tomassi

    Why is it I can’t seem to post here today?

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  236. on April 6, 2011 at 10:50 am Rollo Tomassi

    Even prior to prepubescence, young girls are aware of the Wall. They’re made aware of it in every aspect of popular media, every social context, even in the way small girls socialize amongst themselves. The ever-presence of the Wall has been part of every female’s acculturation across every society for millennia. The Wall is universal.

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  237. on April 6, 2011 at 10:52 am LC

    It is so mean that you diminish women to be worth only what they look like. Men age badly as well with their big beer bellies and double chins. People should be valued as to their inner character and goodness, not some stupid standard of “beauty.” Men bitch that they are only valued for their money, but this could be a response to us ladies only being valued for how hot we are. What about how much we care for you and your children? I guess it’s fair to say that a man can toss aside his good wife for a 20 year old who looks better? This is horrible and evil.
    My Mom is 8 years older than my Dad and still looks prettier than him and is healthier b/c she’s always eaten right and taken good care of herself. There is so little love in this world, and it is very sad that you write articles perpetuating the evil.

    [Editor: I’ve got news for ya. Your dad is a beta.]

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  238. on April 6, 2011 at 10:52 am Rollo Tomassi

    The looming deadline of female sexual irrelevancy covertly colors every aspect of inter-sexual dynamics between both genders – from dating to marriage, to hooking up, to dealing with your female boss at work. So overwhelming is the fear of sexual validity competition among women that it became necessary to condition into men from early childhood social conventions that are specifically engineered to circumvent, postpone or deny the existence of the reality of eventual sexual irrelevancy in women. Men are literally raised and socially conditioned to believe that women are intrinsically more valuable than they are, all in an effort to forestall the inevitable male acknowledgement that women progressively decline in sexual value.

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  239. on April 6, 2011 at 10:57 am xsplat

    The problem is that too many young women frittered away their best years hoping to be one of old women who came out on top in the end. It is, and remains, a pretty foolish gamble.

    I hear this idea often on this blog. What is the basis for it? Wishful thinking?

    I’ve not seen this with my eye globes. I see women calculating their sell by date and then taking a good offer when they think the time to sell is ripe. If anything women are masters at the speculative market which concerns them most. How could evolution have created a creature who was not?

    In any speculative venture you may find some losers, but please remember that if you don’t gamble at all and take the secure route, that is also a strategy that is not optimal. On the whole women have good timing, and if you look around or view statistics you’ll see they do marry as they please.

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  240. on April 6, 2011 at 10:59 am Gramps

    To UAF:

    While you are coming to grips with reality on this issue, and the reality is, I assure you, quite grim, I would suggest you indulge yourself in the pecuniary delights available at your local strip club and various escort services. It will take the edge off your sexual frustrations, which are the basis for a lot of really bad decision making.

    At the strip bars you will find reams of amazingly nice looking single mothers, girls who got pregnant by “some asshole” and now strip to support themselves and their children, if not their very own favorite asshole. The ones without children frequently wind up pregnant despite the obvious bad examples all around them. They have absolutely no interest in nice guys, except to make money from them.

    That would be where you come in. Enjoy them. A lot depends on your budget. But, that is true in every activity in life, and one more good reason to make serious money. Just don’t drink much, and leave the credit card home.

    After a while, you might wonder why you ever wanted to settle down with a woman when you can enjoy the physical delights of an endless stream of 21-25 year olds.

    And are they so very different from the average woman? Aside from the fact that none of them has a biological father involved in her life, they seem quite average. Like one told me, “We are like everyone else. Just better looking.”

    I think the best advice I could give any beta (beta to beta advice) is to definitely NOT get married anytime soon. Men have a much longer shelf life than women, and we do get better with age if we make a modest effort. With minimal effort, men before more powerful physically, intellectually, and psychologically as they age. Getting married stunts your growth. Don’t even think about getting married until you have gotten a lot of experience with women, in and out of bed.

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  241. on April 6, 2011 at 11:08 am Renee84

    In societies where female thinness is the norm, upwards of 90% of women in that 15-25 age bracket are sexually desireable to most men of all ages.

    Well in my teens years during high school, I kept to myself and only had a few friends (which was completely fine be me). I never had a boyfriend and while I was interested in a few, I was never THAT interested in dating or was bothered that I never got a boyfriend. Now grant it, I’m black and I went to a school that was majority white. There were a few white guys that I were friends and associated with. As for the black guys, I didn’t know how to talk to them for the most part. I’ve had thought of myself as “different” than most of the blacks in that school.

    If guys were interested in my, I didn’t noticed or KNOW what it “looked” like.

    So was I aware of my desireablity, not really.

    With college, I improved my fashion sense and talked to more guys and had a few that were interested in me (I weren’t interested in them though), but I only had one boyfriend, and that didn’t last long at all (we’re friends now – no hard feelings).

    At 27 (and a virgin due to personal beliefs) I’m more conscious of how I’m nearing 30. With that said, after I loose about 30lbs lol, I believe that I would look BETTER than when I was younger. (Now in my family, we tend to look younger than our age, but anyway). I think it’s because not only is it about looks in my case, but also about confidence, being comfortable in your own skin and getting out of that awkward stage lol (I think mine lasted a little longer), and getting braces.

    As for marriage, I’m not going to rush it or panic. As for aging, I’ll try and not let it get to me. I at least don’t have to worry about it yet. Aging means that you’re still ALIVE!

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  242. on April 6, 2011 at 11:09 am leslie

    Wow, it is so sad to see that women are considered valuable based on their physical assets only…I am a 50 year old widow, married since 17 to a wonderful man. He got very ill and died at 55–two years ago. I just wonder if men know they will be taken care of and loved when they are down if they have been kind to their woman? I was 48 when he died and just started dating a little…..was not sure what to expect but was so surprised at the number of men—older and younger, who still found me interesting and wanted long term relationships I will say I do look a bit younger…size 4, hip to waist .73 perkiness still intact (good genes?) actually—-kind words and dailey workouts are responsible….I digress…what i am trying to say is the gentle, funny nature of a woman who is not bitter, who loves men, who has your back, are very valuable assets that woman should cultivate for their men and for themselves. I am in a relationship now with a beta man—6″4″ 49y/o, very fit very good looking and kind and very active in all aspects 🙂 who would like it to be long term (tho he knows I am still grieving privately.) Sorry about going on and on everything just seems so stark without companionship and caring….and I will not discount the importance of keeping it new in the bedroom—different and dailey! young women, be faithful and loving and attentive to your men….leave your agendas behind and give your heart unselfishly and be happy and you will be surprised at the benefits you will reap your entire life—-sounds simple, but its true…..the years will be kind to you.

    [Editor: Do you realize how many of your platitudes you contradicted within your comment?]

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  243. on April 6, 2011 at 11:19 am chi-town

    @UAF

    Its about the bullshit. Everyone can seek relief here. Here is a place that provides relief from the disyllable of the times, bullshit.

    The slipshot rhapsody implied in the daily language like , soul mates, depth, democracy, equality, enlightenment, and the like is exposed by our word fragment attention spans, skill in one handed masturbation while clutching the book of moral virtues in the other, and fatties that relentlessly plump themselves while claiming a full faculty in conscious will.

    Church ladies swoon for the minister and gorge themselves on cup cakes in the after service, which this week was on the evils of male oriented lust. Fully satisfied in their sugar rushes and titillated by the form of their moral leader , they will soon crash upon their luckless hubbies berating them for an eye that strays away from a pile that looks no better than liposuction medical waste, just as their blood sugar is plummeting them into a hormonal rage. .

    Knowing this reality is to feed the id monster properly and therefore pass the gate it guards so much the better for it. It may even lead to an enlightenment and provide a meaningful substance away from that falsetto voice of complete hypocritical bullshit.

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  244. on April 6, 2011 at 11:24 am Roy

    “Men wake up as good looking as they went to bed; women somehow deteriorate during the night.”
    I can’t remember where I came across that statement, but for me, that sums it up.

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  245. on April 6, 2011 at 11:25 am leslie

    oops I meant alpha man—to the extremee—but then I am a beta female…..never can get them staright—have a hard time pigeonholing people…..

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  246. on April 6, 2011 at 11:49 am Negotiating Sexual Value | Sofiastry

    […] in line with Roissy’s latest post in which he discussing the sexual devaluation of women as they age, and unfortunately, given the […]

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  247. on April 6, 2011 at 11:51 am VG

    @Anne
    I never denied the point of this post. There’s a good chance that even if they’re not the same person, the real one is probably even uglier today. You can’t expect much in Afghanistan. Just wanted to set the records straight. Nat Geo is still highly respected, but they’re not beyond sensationalism.

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  248. on April 6, 2011 at 11:52 am Rollo Tomassi

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  249. on April 6, 2011 at 11:58 am Rollo Tomassi

    @CHI-TOWN

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  250. on April 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm Phoenix

    http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/04/casino-waitresses-fired-over-skimpy-costumes-video/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk3%7C54476

    Yep, girls getting fired for being too old.

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  251. on April 6, 2011 at 12:44 pm Corporal Hicks

    A bit off topic, but what if an awesome girlfriend (definitely wife material) is stressed out a bit, traveling, and then forgets her boyfriend’s birthday?

    This just happened to a friend, and he’s miffed. Wants advice and I don’t know what to tell him. Very unlike her. Does he “kick her to the curb,” and give her another chance due to her o/w excellent attributes?

    Thoughts?

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  252. on April 6, 2011 at 1:05 pm Exeter

    aoefe:

    from what I’ve read of your posts you have a good attitude about this site. If I were a woman it’s the attitude I hope I’d have. You have a sense of humor about it and don’t take it too seriously, but also accept the difficult truths, begrudgingly or not, if they do in fact seem true. If not you put up a good natured argument, no bitterness. Of course, it helps that you’ve lived a pretty life, lets be honest.

    Ladies, learn from aoefe. ayyyyyy ooooaaaf.

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  253. on April 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm Exeter

    It’s funny, whenever a woman starts out her post with “wow”, you know what often follows will be a rant of indignant flabbergasty.

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  254. on April 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm Nomennovum

    Men, it’s time to get on board the apology bus. We owe it to Woman.

    Disgusting, vile, cringe-inducing, and nauseating.

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  255. on April 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm Grunt

    Hicks,

    Meh. If his birthday’s so important to him, he can ask her what she proposes to do to make up for forgetting such an “important day”.

    The bigger issue is how she reacted when she remembered. I don’t find that being (genuinely) petty is much of an Alpha trait, and if I gave a damn, I’d use it from time to time to neg her in private.

    There are worse things in the world than having a GF with a less than perfect memory.

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  256. on April 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm Tyrone

    @Corporal Hicks
    A bit off topic, but what if an awesome girlfriend (definitely wife material) is stressed out a bit, traveling, and then forgets her boyfriend’s birthday?

    This just happened to a friend, and he’s miffed. Wants advice and I don’t know what to tell him. Very unlike her. Does he “kick her to the curb,” and give her another chance due to her o/w excellent attributes?

    Thoughts?

    I don’t get too pissed, but I make a point to mention it, discuss calmly why I’m disappointed and then I say darling, I demand compensation and pull out my pecker. I really do this too. You have to take advantage of these kidns of incidents to get women used to the idea of blowing you frequently and liking it. She will be relieved and happy to make up for it so easily. In fact, make a bigger issue of it and get several BJs out of it. This is how you get BJs all the time if you do it right.

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  257. on April 6, 2011 at 1:31 pm Tim

    He mentioned the historical theory that the sexual revolution was not a feminist product, but a product of alpha male cads looking to increase their action.

    That belongs to F Roger Devlin, not Jerry:

    http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf

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  258. on April 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    In Medialand, beauty is only a social construct when it applies to women. When women reverse that and judge men based on hair, height and the like, then it’s hardwired.

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  259. on April 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm maurice

    now this is a must-read:

    http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/forget-chocolate-on-valentines-day-try-semen-says-surgery-news-editor-retraction-resignation-follow/

    and the cited article:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/wrkl9lc5ueu43rh8/

    ladies, semen is good for you! nature’s own anti-depressant!

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  260. on April 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm itsme

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  261. on April 6, 2011 at 1:48 pm Schmoe

    @VG
    you are simply incorrect. Those are clearly the same person. Check the mark on the side of the nose. Also the mole just right of center of her forehead. Also the mole just left below her mouth. The shape of the lips, eyes, eyebrows. Nobody shares that many traits without being genetically identical. It’s her, or her twin.

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  262. on April 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm Schmoe

    @VG
    from the link:
    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/mar/girl/index.html
    “FBI forensics experts and iris scans later confirmed it was the same person”

    but yeah, you’re smarter than them.

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  263. on April 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm Schmoe

    @Corporal Hicks,
    birthdays are for fags and girls. He should stay aloof and tell her she owes him a bj.

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  264. on April 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm itsme

    [Editor: Do you realize how many of your platitudes you contradicted within your comment?]

    i love how she started her rant with ‘Wow, it is so sad to see that women are considered valuable based on their physical assets only’…..and then spends the rest of the post qualifying herself.

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  265. on April 6, 2011 at 2:02 pm itsme

    oops I meant alpha man

    leslie,

    a 49 year old alpha would not be dating a 50 year old woman.

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  266. on April 6, 2011 at 2:30 pm Firepower

    Tim

    yep. however, I must admit, when I look down at my gf as she administering the bj, she kinda looks like a guppy.

    Hey, hide them lips – just tell that dude to grow a beard.

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  267. on April 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm sdaedalus

    You dedicated chroniclers of the female ageing process might like to watch this prizewinning ad which is in all Irish cinemas at the moment (you can view in precise detail the gradual changes in a woman’s face between the ages of 16 and 70).

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  268. on April 6, 2011 at 2:59 pm Firepower

    boy, the booze ages you lasses FAST over there

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  269. on April 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm sofia

    Nomennovum,

    What’s hilarious about this video is that Jizzabel writers called those guys “creepy”. You can’t win.

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  270. on April 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm aoefe

    @Exeter

    Thanks! 🙂

    @Dragnet

    I agree with what you say. ‘Lose’ was a bad way to make my point. Older women do have to work much harder at remaining relevent in the marketplace. It makes me sad that so many women don’t take care of themselves even in their mid twenties! 35 and most women have hit the wall hard.

    This will make me unpopular with women, but I’m going to say it anyway. Men should be pushing their women to look after themselves and applying pressure when they don’t. Having children is no excuse to let yourself get fat and look sloppy. Women honour their men by looking good for them. Slutty behaviour is another thing – women should NEVER flirt with men other than their own.

    I also realize you can’t hold on to youth’s beauty. It’s fleeting and it’s wasted on youth! Now that I’m older all young people are gorgeous – I certainly didn’t feel that way when I was younger – nor did other younger people.

    Age has some benefits. Ummmm…. give me a minute…

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  271. on April 6, 2011 at 4:57 pm Jay Gatsby

    Came across the following comment (from a woman) on a link to an article by Lori Gottlieb (Marry Him!) that was rather enlightening. It certainly seems to shed light on at least one reason why women don’t choose to settle until they’re in their mid-30s, but by then, the pickings are rather slim.

    “What’s sad is that the quest to find a perfect man, is really a quest to find the perfect mirror in which to see oneself. So what’s really elusive is not the perfect man, but the perfect self. The reason women (myself included) are turned off by imperfection – a nose too big, a laugh too loud – is because it reminds us of our own flaws that make us cringe. If we could just truly love ourselves and forgive ourselves for not being perfect, then I believe we could truly fall in love with Mr. Right-with-the-big-nose-and-loud-laugh and it wouldn’t be settling.”

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  272. on April 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm Calex

    On a completely unrelated, but awesome topic:

    How many points should a girl loose for not having tits – and i don’t mean having small tits, i mean mosquito bites at best?

    Especially, how many points if she’s a 9.5 in other aspects?

    I’m an ass-man myself, but i still feel some penalty is in order.

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  273. on April 6, 2011 at 5:51 pm Grunt

    1. Does she pass the Boner Test.
    2. How big are your hands? More than a hadful is a waste.
    3. What you’re really saying is that she would be a 9.5 if she had a rack. How many penalty points you assign is to SOME degree dependent on your responses to (1) and (2) above.

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  274. on April 6, 2011 at 5:53 pm dream puppy

    @Aeofe

    I agree about the thin thing. Actually women should strive to look better post marriage. A guy has (hopefully) taken himself out of the dating pool to be with you and you exclusively. He has taken a vow of monogamy for the sake of high investment parenting.

    If you are lucky enough to have such a man, you should try to look as best as possible, for you are all he has. (I”m talking about men programmed for monogamy. And yes, they exist).

    Also agree with Dana. When a man commits to you, a pleasant, playful, agreeable, sexy disposition goes a long way. Smell nice, stay thin, smile, cook- might as well try.

    What would you have us old bags do? I am 30 soon (ish)!! Perhaps I should just celebrate with some cyanide laced cake 🙂

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  275. on April 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm An Example of Female Aging: Claire Danes « Playing the Devil's Advocate

    […] might have seen a recent post at roissy about female aging. Many commentators talked about how a hard life can worsen female […]

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  276. on April 6, 2011 at 6:41 pm Anon

    “What’s hilarious about this video is that Jizzabel writers called those guys “creepy”.”

    Because they haven’t come out of the closet yet.

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  277. on April 6, 2011 at 6:57 pm Me

    Helen Mirren is fuckable when you already have a hardon and are 2 seconds from cumming.

    YOUNG Helen Mirren however..oh my those tits.

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  278. on April 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm Tim

    Cindy Jackson Sets World Record With 52 Plastic Surgeries, Cosmetic Procedures:

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  279. on April 6, 2011 at 7:35 pm Omega Dork

    I just watched “Body Double” which had a fantastic-looking Melanie Griffth at 27 in it. Now look at her:

    http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1596&bih=691&q=melanie+griffth&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g-s1g-sx9&aql=&oq=

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  280. on April 6, 2011 at 8:22 pm duxbury

    there are lots of gorgeous 26 year old girls. But do not, under any circumstances *EVER* look at her teen pics because…. you will be furiously masturbating for an hour and end up staining the ceiling. If a 26 year old is a 9, at 18 she was a 10+… achingly and painfully gorgeous. Tragic.

    The greater tragedy is that her charm collapses faster than her looks. Female youthful charm is more appealing.. the voice, the laugh, the innocence. This is long gone by 22 with most. The random demeaning encounters, humiliating and degrading abuse from men, self-destructive behavior, abortions, rapes, STD’s…. all devastates the psyche. And a greater loss than physical beauty… and why that gorgeous 26 year old usually a neurotic, angry and bitter old hag inside. When you look at that teen facebook picture you can only think… what a pity? She shouldn’t have turned down that marriage offer at 19.

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  281. on April 6, 2011 at 8:41 pm Philosopher

    “A beautiful woman should break her mirror early”.

    Baltasar Gracian (1601-1658)

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  282. on April 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm xsplat

    Someone please enlighten me as to the situation in the west. Are women waiting so long for marriage that they find themselves unmarried against their will, or is that a beta wish fullfilling daydream?

    I live in SE Asia. One girl I dated was 38, and within the space of 1 month got married once and then acquired two more young handsome western fiances. She chose the richest one, and married again.

    I don’t see girls feeling any pressure to marry before 28. I don’t see girls having any penalty by sleeping around.

    Are girls in real life being punished for their “poor” decisions, or does urban anonymity and mens current willingness to marry at an older age mean they get a free pass?

    Speculation on if they could have got a better mate marrying younger is just that. And even if true, some women will gladly trade 5 years of happy cock hopping for 2 mate value points in her marriage partner.

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  283. on April 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm JR

    She probably saw it coming: she didn’t appear to be happy even in the first pic…

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  284. on April 6, 2011 at 10:21 pm Adrian P

    I love it when the aging female readers come in and spread lies about the dating market to try and make themselves feel better about their situation, only to have the editor rip their argument to shreds.

    “You guys are so superficial!! We should love each other for what’s on the inside! I never cared about a man’s status! [yeah right]”.

    I love the way the writers of this blog always cut to the chase and say it like it is, but to say that the overwhelming majority of 40 year olds are “unbangable” is such horseshit. As if they’re scared to admit something like that because it makes them look like “betas”.

    Listen, we all know the studs who run this site are constantly having threesomes with supermodels on an hourly basis but lighten up, admitting that you wanna bang a slim, attractive, yet somewhat wrinkly 40 year won’t make you lose your all-important “Alpha cred”.

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  285. on April 6, 2011 at 11:27 pm Gaberiella

    Aging sucks, but it’s better then the alternative.

    I wouldn’t agree that the loss of young beauty is tragic for the individual. It’s sort of melodramatic for an individual to dwell on aging. I never thought my grandmother was tragic for growing older, and she and my grandfather made it to 50 years before he passed. They were a great couple — driving around together in a sports car on cross-country trips into their 70s. I loved her warmth, her cooking, her stories, and her advice.

    Aging isn’t really tragic unless people loose things like eye sight, hearing, joint mobility (pain), the ability to run and walk.

    Aging is more like acne — it’s unpleasant but it’s not tragic.

    The Afghanistan woman looks like she had a hard life. Lots of skin damage. And maybe a broken nose? Single best advice for preventing early aging? A good moisturizer sun screen worn daily.

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  286. on April 6, 2011 at 11:45 pm Gaberiella

    “Are girls in real life being punished for their “poor” decisions, or does urban anonymity and mens current willingness to marry at an older age mean they get a free pass?”

    I married young, so I obviously can’t say from personal experience.

    But in observing other people I do find some women can’t seem to find a partner. They seem to grow used to being independent, and aren’t willing or can’t seem to do the sort of compromises that live-in LRT’s require. Maybe they are highly critical/too picky or can’t fall in love? Some are overly suspicious of men and are the type that say they want an “alpha” male but can’t live with him. It’s my personal opinion that many of them don’t actually want to get married or find a LRT.

    I don’t see women who cannot pair up, though, if they want too. Every woman I know who actually tries to find somebody to marry, has found somebody.

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  287. on April 7, 2011 at 12:06 am xsplat

    Gabriella

    It’s my personal opinion that many of them don’t actually want to get married or find a LRT.

    I don’t see women who cannot pair up, though, if they want too. Every woman I know who actually tries to find somebody to marry, has found somebody.

    Yup, this has been my view as well.

    Which is why when I hear men admonish women to marry young, I don’t hear merely well meaning advice. I hear biased advice that would personally benefit the men owing to their innate sexual strategy.

    It’s not only women who are squirrel heads. Men can be oblivious to bias as well.

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  288. on April 7, 2011 at 12:30 am T-Doggz

    ” loved my fiancé. Now that I know what he and all men really think of women, I view him as a pregnancy-generator, nothing more. This is rational, and I wish all women would learn this hard lesson from a young age.”

    All men would do well to know that’s what you really want.

    Kind of dumb, too, I must say Usurper. You really want to be an abandonded bitter woman with some fools kids? You have no better ambtion? A website tells you women’s looks fade and this is how you react? Sad. Really.

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  289. on April 7, 2011 at 12:49 am Gaberiella

    “Which is why when I hear men admonish women to marry young, I don’t hear merely well meaning advice. I hear biased advice that would personally benefit the men owing to their innate sexual strategy.”

    I agree.

    Women will marry young, but admonishment is not a good strategy to achieving that goal. 🙂

    I wonder if half the problem is lack of meeting places. Men who are ready to get married are usually beyond University age. But for men who want to find a young spouse the University campus is one of the best meeting places.

    A few years ago the men working in the medical labs at a university were upset when the rules were changed to prohibit any faculty from dating students. “But who will we marry?” Real quote.

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  290. on April 7, 2011 at 1:25 am kevlar

    it doesn’t matter if women lose their beauty, a non-obese 50 year old is always more attractive than an obese 20-year old.

    for a trip into the future, visit the midwest. an endless stream of desperate good looking guys with game in their 20s are hitting on average looking 50-55 year olds.

    as for the numerically dominant percentage of obese women, they have replaced sex with carbs and are probably happier than their sluttier counterparts.

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  291. on April 7, 2011 at 1:52 am Tim

    Whatever happened to Gunslingergregi?

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  292. on April 7, 2011 at 7:21 am DeeezNutz

    The guys who did the “Dear Woman” video are probably fruit loops. It is easier for gay men to maintain an idealized view of women because they don’t need to deal with women on a sexual level. That is why they get along with women so well. If you actually like pussy then it is different.

    Speaking of gay men, they’re the other demographic that gets hit hard by aging. All men, including homos, mostly only care about looks. I’m guessing that once a fairy is over 25, 30, 35, 40 etc., his fellow fairies lose interest. Luckily I’m not a homo so I really don’t care.

    As for the bitches who hated me when I was younger, they can suck on the fact that they’re all going to end up dried up and unwanted.

    People can hate me for telling the truth all they want, but I didn’t make things the way they are, and hating me for change anything. This is how it was long before I was born and how it will be long after I die.

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  293. on April 7, 2011 at 10:29 am sardonic_sob

    There is no older female equivalent to Hugh Hefner. Kinda sucks for the ladies.

    Mae West had a good run at it. If you read about some of the things she got up to in her sixties and seventies, it might make ol’ Hef blush. Didn’t hurt that she had less shame than he does and almost as much money. (She made some very wise investments with the money from her peak career earnings.)

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  294. on April 7, 2011 at 10:49 am sardonic_sob

    By the way, the Heinlein quote from “Stranger In a Strange Land” refers to the immortal Rodin’s masterpiece “She Who Used to be the Beautiful Heaulmiere,” which can be viewed here along with more context from the conversation:

    http://www.vanemden.com/books/heaulmiere.html

    Jubal Harshaw, the speaker, is a big fan of Rodin, as would be most people with more soul than a dried turnip.

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  295. on April 7, 2011 at 11:16 am Lara

    Deeeznutz
    “As for the bitches who hated me when I was younger, they can suck on the fact that they’re all going to end up dried up and unwanted.”

    Generally the men that rejoice in female aging are the ones that weren’t very popular with them when they were younger.

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  296. on April 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm dream puppy

    “As for the bitches who hated me when I was younger, they can suck on the fact that they’re all going to end up dried up and unwanted.”

    This seems to be kind of what it boils down to.

    “Yes one of you cuckolded me and rejected me and divorced me and took half my shit, but fuck you, you’re going to be UGLY one day.”

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  297. on April 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm Lara

    dream puppy,
    I can understand it, especially if a man was wronged by a particular woman. It is kind of the ultimate revenge on us.

    [Editor: Personally, I hate the fact that women age. I’m a lover of beauty, and aging robs the world of what I love.]

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  298. on April 7, 2011 at 1:03 pm silent

    “Afghanistization”

    Awesome lol

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  299. on April 7, 2011 at 1:38 pm aoefe

    “[Editor: Personally, I hate the fact that women age. I’m a lover of beauty, and aging robs the world of what I love.]”

    I feel the same, but I wonder if perhaps we’ve got skewed views on beauty due to our culture? Is there a culture where age is seen as beautiful? Where laugh lines and eye crinkles and even droopy eyelids are seen in a different light. If so I’m moving…

    Side note: Weight is seen as a good thing in certain places in Africa. I have a friend who’s a missionary and she gets called fat as a compliment. It’s a sign of wealth. Doesn’t make her like it though.

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  300. on April 7, 2011 at 1:52 pm dream puppy

    [Editor: Personally, I hate the fact that women age. I’m a lover of beauty, and aging robs the world of what I love.]

    Me too!! Isn’t that part of why beauty is so moving? That it is fleeting?

    Although I would much rather stay young and pretty forever, the one upside is that I have learned to focus my attention on other, more substantial and long lasting attributes.

    There is nothing more to do but try.

    My baka (grandmother) always told me Croatian fairy tales of beautiful maidens being punished for being bitches, and plainer kind girls getting rewards. The Grimm brothers of the Slav world might have been female no?

    @Aeofo- The Nubians have always liked them thicker than the Westeners. Check out a rap video sometime.

    I assume it is because Western people are able to feed themselves through agri/farming techniques that other cultures lack, so excess food does not mean to us what it means to them.

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  301. on April 7, 2011 at 1:58 pm dream puppy

    @aoefe (moving to a culture that <3s wrinkles)

    You'd actually find the opposite. Twenty-three would be over the hill in some cultures.

    Then again…it would technically be middle aged there.

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  302. on April 7, 2011 at 2:05 pm Peter A

    What obesity epidemic?

    [Editor: This one.]

    There are plenty of thin nubile 20 somethings in my part of the US.

    [Yes, there are oases tucked within the dunes of blubber. But they shrink by the year.]

    The young girls who get fat in the US are almost never sexually attractive to begin with. A lot of married women get ridiculously fat – but since they’re pushing their expiration date anyway, why should we care?

    [I’ve found that avoiding marriage altogether helps keep women delightfully slender.]

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  303. on April 7, 2011 at 2:05 pm Professor Woland

    I have found that modern women are far more enamored with ephemeral pursuits than men. Like the old George Burns joke, “At my age, I never even buy green bananas.” Clothing, vacations, and various consumer gizmos are far more important to women in their 20s and 30s then for men. It is as if none of this stuff will be important in 10 + years because it can only be enjoyed if it is leveraged against whatever sexual power women have. Having money and power for power’s sakes is far more advantageous for men than women.

    Having been a “saver” my whole life, I find this is a very odd contrast. Getting ahead, living debt free, building my career are all things I enjoy now well into middle age. For the women I have dated post – 40, they seem almost jealous. My power keeps growing and theirs just shrinks. Such is life.

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  304. on April 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm PA

    What obesity epidemic?

    I stopped by a liquor store last Friday and as an utterly unremarkeable occurrance these days, two revoltingly fat early-twenties blondes in short shorts waddle in.

    A film ran in my head, similar to the ageing clip that was tweeted, except it ran back in time. In it, years regress about two decades, and again, in that same liquor store, two slighlty proleish but infinitely bangable early-twenties blonde cuties walk in.

    I grabbed another bottle.

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  305. on April 7, 2011 at 2:43 pm dream puppy

    @Peter A

    Argument by anecdote is one of the most fallacious, and may I say, feminine ways to argue. Your observations are irrelevant given our access to statistics and quantifiable data.

    20% of Americans in most states are obese. Not overweight, but OBESE, with only Colorado falling under the 20% range.

    On a side note, Chinese people are super tall basketball legends because Yao Ming is in the NBA.

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  306. on April 7, 2011 at 2:54 pm aoefe

    @dreampuppy – “You’d actually find the opposite. Twenty-three would be over the hill in some cultures. ”

    Shiznit, crumb bum and crapola. I was just putting my passport in my purse.

    Hey I know she’s not sexy but Kirstie Ally is 60! She looks pretty darn good for that age – however I know she’s not going to pass the erector test.

    Women who age well don’t get the head swivels they get the “wow you look really good for your age.” comments. It’ll have to do in a pinch I suppose.

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  307. on April 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm cid

    I couldn’t care less about looks, all multicellular heterotrophs are weak, pathetic, disgusting creatures at any age once you take a closer look at their anatomy and metabolism.

    The problem with aging is that it leads to disease, without exception. And in case of humans more so in males than in females, actually.

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  308. on April 7, 2011 at 5:58 pm Lara

    [Editor: Personally, I hate the fact that women age. I’m a lover of beauty, and aging robs the world of what I love.]

    My mother has always been very pretty and it has made me sad to see her age in recent years. At the same time it has made me soften towards her considerably and be protective of her.

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  309. on April 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm Yep

    When I was 16 I was part of the emo music scene and a killer alpha. A great, great majority, perhaps 90% of the girls I met back then, who were my age, are now butt ugly. Maybe because I cant fathom to accept the changes they have gone through. Maybe they would be 8s if I hadnt met them in their primes.

    I think womens real prime is from about 14-18. 15-25 is another category. A women will look her best, her most fertile, in her mid teens. That is to say, ceteris paribus, a 16 year old girl is MUCH hotter than that same girl at 24.

    Check out Kate Moss at 16. Incredible. Perfect 10.

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  310. on April 7, 2011 at 7:28 pm Yep

    Oh and 5 years have passed for those girls to become butt ugly.

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  311. on April 7, 2011 at 9:25 pm Bounder

    @ Dream puppy,

    The statistics about obesity are horrifically inflated.

    I happen to lift with two men whose BMI puts them firmly in the obese category.

    The vast majority of men in the “obese” category are just relatively normal looking men with a gut.

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  312. on April 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm Tellin It Like It Is

    “Halle Berry”

    Hally Berry is ugly as sin. I don’t know what anyone sees in her. Whatever fine points she may have are completely eclipsed by her negroid features.

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  313. on April 7, 2011 at 11:50 pm walawala

    @PA

    “”I stopped by a liquor store last Friday and as an utterly unremarkeable occurrance these days, two revoltingly fat early-twenties blondes in short shorts waddle in.

    A film ran in my head, similar to the ageing clip that was tweeted, except it ran back in time. In it, years regress about two decades, and again, in that same liquor store, two slighlty proleish but infinitely bangable early-twenties blonde cuties walk in.

    I grabbed another bottle.””

    I spit out my iced tea reading this.

    Your posts are awesome.

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  314. on April 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm walawala

    Regarding the obesity epidemic. In Asia, it’s gaining ground but a vast majority of women are still slimmer and better put together.

    This however changes based on whether they date western guys.

    Any Asian woman dating a western guy generally looks hotter, dresses better even into their 40’s.

    However, this often ends when they get married.

    You see hot Filipinas walking with fatty expats.

    Then you see fat Filipinas walking with herb expats who are pushing baby strollers.

    When I see that I think…herb white knight didn’t quite understand what he was in for when she convinced him it was “more intimate” not to use a condom…suckers.

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  315. on April 8, 2011 at 12:11 am Mary

    Rape is about powerand not sex. Either a rapist does so to feel powerful and the erection comes from feeling powerful, or when a guy is aroused he feels he has the right to overpower a woman and make her have sex with him. Normal men do not simply rape women when they feel aroused.
    Women of all ages and attractiveness dressed in decent clothing are raped including senior citizens. Clothes and attractiveness have little do with rape except for the rapist who is aroused and feels he has the right to exert power and take the woman against her will.

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  316. on April 8, 2011 at 12:36 am Tim

    Shut the fuck up, Mary. You know damn well you want it in the ass you dirty bitch, you.

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  317. on April 8, 2011 at 1:30 am Jack Lover

    C’mon guys, is there somebody who does not feel the power when pushing your love sceptre deeper into her ass, while she moans from pain?

    There are various “reasons” people have sex: biological drive, procreation, recreation, pleasure, power play, bonding, etc. I would say that most of the time several of these are intermixed when people have sex. There is no single reason.

    Also so with rape.

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  318. on April 8, 2011 at 1:34 am Innocent Bystander

    > Fortunate then for Nietzsche that he was functionally paralyzed by tertiary syphilis at the age of 45.

    Actually recent research has shown fairly conclusively that he did not have syphilis.

    – The evidence he used prostitutes shown to be a fabrication

    – The course of his disease was far longer than syphilis, which usually kills in 2-3 years once dementia sets it.

    – His father died of a similar condition (slow-growing brain tumor).

    – Earlier symptoms consistent with the tumor.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12522502

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  319. on April 8, 2011 at 1:54 am Real dreamer

    That pic is an extreme example of aging and doesn’t at all reflect the aging process of the American woman, especially Asian and Black American women.

    Where I live I see a ton of good-looking 30s and 40s women. My mother is in her 50s and she looks really, really good – thin, high cheekbones, hit on everywhere she goes, and constantly told she appears to be in her 30s.

    If you can eat right and work out as you age, that’s half the battle.

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  320. on April 8, 2011 at 2:19 am Innocent Bystander

    > Mary opined:
    > Rape is about power and not sex.

    This is female projection. For women, sex is about power, because sex is a source of power for them.

    For men the idea that rape is about power is utterly laughable. For men, rape is about sex.

    Look at the men who rape – like men who commit crimes generally they are not generally the powerful aphas.

    All this shows is that women have very little insight into how men think and feel.

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  321. on April 8, 2011 at 4:23 am DeeezNuts

    Women’s aging is the ultimate revenge because there is nothing they can do about it. They can’t bully, manipulate, pay or game men into being attracted to them.

    I was hated by lots of bitches growing up, both young bitches and embittered dried up hags. Didn’t realize why the old hags hated me for no particular reason, but now I suspect that the bitterness over losing their looks was probably part of it. I say fuck them. These old hags were probably stuck up entitled bitches when they were younger. They probably spent a lot of time whining about “creepy men” when they were hot back in the 1970s. Now they’re worn out, nobody wants them, and there is nothing they can do about it.

    Women’s aging may rob the world of beauty but there are always more younger beauties to replace the fading ones.

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  322. on April 8, 2011 at 8:40 am Lara

    “Didn’t realize why the old hags hated me for no particular reason, but now I suspect that the bitterness over losing their looks was probably part of it.”

    I can see a woman mourning her lost youth and beauty and being envious of younger women, but hating younger men is not a natural reaction of getting older for women. I generally find the women who were very attractive stay nice and feminine even as they get older. The women that were mean to you likely were never that good looking or sought after to begin with. They probably were the type of women who don’t care that much what men think of them.

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  323. on April 8, 2011 at 10:31 am itsme

    Whatever fine points she may have are completely eclipsed by her negroid features.

    archer ftw:

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  324. on April 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm Tinderbox

    @ Tellin It Like It Is

    Hally Berry is ugly as sin. I don’t know what anyone sees in her. Whatever fine points she may have are completely eclipsed by her negroid features.

    GTFO with that hyperbole. Berry hardly has any negroid features.

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  325. on April 8, 2011 at 7:52 pm Anonymous

    “Women of all ages and attractiveness dressed in decent clothing are raped including senior citizens. Clothes and attractiveness have little do with rape except for the rapist who is aroused and feels he has the right to exert power and take the woman against her will.”

    Attractiveness has everything to do with rape. 80% of rape victims are under 30.

    http://www.yellodyno.com/statistics/statistics_rape.html

    If you’re right, why aren’t the old hags most of the ones being raped? Because it’s about sex. They’re not hot, so why would anyone want to have sex with them?

    If it were about power, they’d rape whatever – old chicks, other dudes, fuglies, etc. Rape is what poor guys do because they’re too much of a loser to get sex some other way.

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  326. on April 8, 2011 at 9:57 pm jen

    Kevlar,

    this issue is so depressing….your comment made me feel a little better. I was a looker in my younger days, and the loss of youthful beauty is keenly felt.

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  327. on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 am Hot Hottie McHotterson

    I hate aging on men. When my boyfriend started to bald and get a pot gut I just about puked every time he wanted sexy times and I ended up dumping his ass for a younger, better version.

    The only men that truly get better looking with age, start out good looking to begin with. Every fugly person else ends up looking like shit as they age because they were average to fug looking to begin with and average men are not exempt from that unfortunate truth of the almighty fug gene.

    Women don’t get turned on by gunts and inverted penis syndrome. Nor do we find your hairy asses and saggy scrots much fun either.

    Stay gay.

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  328. on April 9, 2011 at 2:25 am Kurt

    That woman seems to be aging at an extremely rapid clip. Being fat now relative to how she was in her youth is only making matters worse.

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  329. on April 9, 2011 at 3:31 am Anonymous

    @telling it
    halle berry would look 15 years older, and much soggier, if she wasnt half black. You sound like you got lost on your way to your tea party/ obama’s a muzzie rally.

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  330. on April 9, 2011 at 8:53 am Harsh Harvey

    ‘halle berry would look 15 years older, and much soggier, if she wasnt half black.’

    Mullatas, and mullatos like Obama are ruining this country! Aesthetically and governmentally!!!

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  331. on April 10, 2011 at 2:56 am Me3

    you sir are a scholar and a gentleman

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  332. on April 10, 2011 at 5:33 am Linkage is Good for You: Nope Edition

    […] – “The Subtle Heartbreak of Female Aging“, “Sluts March for Right to be Easy Lays“, “The Four Types of Female […]

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  333. on April 10, 2011 at 12:37 pm Seth

    I agree with most of your posts Roissy including the fact that age takes a toll on a womans beauty but I do think that for women who take good care of themselves it is not as nearly traggic as some may think it is. As you and everyone else has stated this woman has been pretty much living in the worst of conditions and in my opinion looks nothing like a 30 year old even the rough ones but more like a 55 plus woman. I honestly believe that for women who take really good care of themselves (which is possible for all except maybe the absolute lowest socioeconomic class) she hits her peak beauty around 25-30, not too much younger then mens physical beauty peak which I would put at 27-34. Most of the victoria’s secret models and sports illustrated models are 21-28 from what I know, could be wrong. Sadly though because of the obesity epidemic and lack of self care most hit their peak at 17- 19.

    What I am trying to say is that this window of beauty while 100% real is not as short as you might be protraying. It seems you are suggesting that it is intrinsically a mear 5 years or so between 16-22 when I would argue that with good self care (diet, exercise, skin care) that it is a good 25 years from 16-40. And obviously it its true that the same 22 year old will look better then the 40 year old almost always without question but I would say that doesn’t mean the 40 year old woman has lost all boner inspiring potential. Many women 40 and over can still ignite my sexual desires and I’m 26, handsome and in great shape. Admittedly they are few but that I would argue is not because their chronological age prevents it but their lack of self-care.

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  334. on April 10, 2011 at 5:18 pm beautiful

    You and everyone who agrees with you ought to be ashamed of yourselves! What a disgusting opinion, so utterly lacking in soul, compassion and TASTE! Are you a pedo or something? This woman still looks gorgeous at approx 30! All she needs is a touch of make-up and to wear the head scarf differently as she did in the younger pic. Describing a 13 year old as having sexy eyes or whatever is bang out of order. It’s YOU you should be analysing the face of in the mirror, not this poor exploited woman! Yeah, women age… so do men! I used to fancy Brad Pitt as a teenager and look at him now with his obvious plastic surgery for his under eye bags… no thanks. But unlike you, I’d not write an article degrading him to a mere quantity of his LOOKS. We are women with hearts, souls, bodies and minds. What is wrong with the world is the objectification of women as property, sexual objects and commodities. How would you feel if someone wrote this exact article about your mother, sister, daughter, friend or wife? What kind of intelligent, conscientious person does such a thing? Do you have a fear of women?? You compared this beautiful woman to a witch at least twice! You should be so lucky for a woman like her to talk to you, let alone share a sexual relationship with you… or is that it? Sour grapes because you yourself are not much of a physical specimen to behold? You could have easily made the same point minus the sexism, latent hatred, belittling of women. All women with self respect and who care about her fellow female will be disgusted that this was even published, let alone written, let alone even thought. Shame on you.

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  335. on April 10, 2011 at 5:44 pm aoefe

    @beautiful

    I suspect your looks are fading or faded. It’s painful when it happens (I know). You aren’t angry at this post, you’re angry at the reality of it. Men and women’s looks fade, but a woman’s power base lowers more. Women have to accept it and realize their strength and happiness will be better served by being beautiful on the inside. Cultivate loving, feminine, nurturing characteristics and reject current messaging regarding feminism. Feminism hurts women and has for a long time. I also have to say I have a huge amount of self respect and care about my fellow females and have no disgust at the truth of what’s been said. It hurts, but its true.

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  336. on April 10, 2011 at 5:52 pm Rum

    Beutifool

    There is only one real issue here.
    Would you rather hear the truth or be lied to?
    Either is available and costs the same. It is all up to you.

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  337. on April 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm Random Thoughts: Milk and Wine « Default User

    […] all started when Citizen Renegade posted on the heartbreaking decline of Female beauty with age. Sibling of Daedalus replied with her post marking the decline in male beauty. While it was, no […]

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  338. on April 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm Gorbachev

    Okay.

    What’s subtle about this heartbreak?

    There’s nothing subtle about it.

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  339. on April 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm Real dreamer

    I agree with Seth…that was an extreme example. Generally in the Western world, a woman who practices a healthy lifestyle and sensible eating habits, along with moderate exercise will look quite good through year 40 and decent into her 50s. That is of course minus the obese women who don’t even factor into these discussions anyway.

    @beautiful…. *w/ credit to aoefe*
    I just take it as Roissy saying that women shouldn’t rely solely on their youthful good looks and cultivate their inner femininity, which lasts longer in life. Maybe that’s his way of trying to scare women into humility to behave more like women.

    How anyone can ignore the high number of sexy, fit females in their 30s and 40s is beyond me. Trying to compare them to a 30 year old living in Afghanistan is laughable.

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  340. on April 10, 2011 at 8:11 pm aoefe

    I’m curious to know from you men who are in long term loving relationships what you feel as your woman’s look change. What keeps you bound to her? Do you look at her wrinkles, crinkles and pouches or do you see through them without noticing? I ask for selfish reasons. I’m attractive enough at this point, but I know I will age in spite of best efforts to turn the tide. My love is taken with me as I am, but will he always be? Please give me insight into what takes place in a man’s brain.

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  341. on April 10, 2011 at 8:22 pm Gorbachev

    @aoefe
    I’m curious to know from you men who are in long term loving relationships what you feel as your woman’s look change. What keeps you bound to her? Do you look at her wrinkles, crinkles and pouches or do you see through them without noticing? I ask for selfish reasons. I’m attractive enough at this point, but I know I will age in spite of best efforts to turn the tide. My love is taken with me as I am, but will he always be? Please give me insight into what takes place in a man’s brain.

    When a woman loves, it’s usually for a reason.

    While a man’s penis is the litmus test, when a man *loves*, it’s not usually for any reason at all.

    Loyalty is seen as a male-ish trait for a reason.

    *EVEN IF YOU ARE GORGEOUS AND SUPER HOT*

    His eyes will still wander from time to time. He may not wander himself; but his eyes will.

    This is the nature of man. Revel in it. Embrace it. Understand it.

    If you give him reason to both love and respect you, you’ll usually find no more loyal creature.

    And should he step out when he’s 50 and tap some 32-year-old, odds are pretty good that if you’re obliging and decent and loyal, he’ll surprisingly come back and be contrite. He’ll choose your frumpy old hair because he’s invested in you, he respects you and he values loyalty as an abstract concept.

    What he should be worrying about is another matter.

    Of course, you could get unlucky. But if that scares you, then perhaps life isn’t your game.

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  342. on April 10, 2011 at 8:39 pm aoefe

    Thank you Gorbachev. I have talked about understanding the potential for my mate to stray, but that was an untested theory because I wasn’t attached when I said it. I understand there is a biological need for men to have variety, and a woman’s need to have one protector. Women get into trouble when they start shopping for another one while with the one who believes he is. Men get into trouble because they fail to recognize what protector is i.e. keeping her in line and not letting her become the boss. I’ve learned much from this site and I feel strongly it’s allowed me to find a wonderful partner, but now that I have him my fears arise because I won’t be attractive forever. You’ve helped me realize that my general nature will go a long way to keeping him loyal. I feel better.

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  343. on April 10, 2011 at 8:41 pm Tim

    What Gorb said.

    mout.

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  344. on April 10, 2011 at 9:10 pm Gorbachev

    @Aoefe,

    Remember, when it comes to men, no matter how much game a guy has, when a guy goes down, you have to fuck up hard to lose him or his interest.

    Even guys who feel a crushing need to step out all the time, and I mean those guys who have not one but several lovers and who are always on the lookout, those guys are often bizarrely loyal to one woman who treats him decently – not super-nice, not obsequiously, but respectfully and honestly. They could fuck around all the time, but they’ll reign it in for this woman who for no reason anyone on the outside can fathom, manages to keep them in line.

    That’s the real “girl game” – not controlling the man obviously. When done properly, the guy gets the respect and freedom to pull shit if he so feels like it – and, much to his shock and surprise, … *doesn’t feel the need to pull shit*.

    I’m not a rabid dog, but I like women. And for months, I can honestly say I’ve no interest in tapping anything but my SO. In fact, despite a truly bizarre situation the likes of which need not be discussed, my SO has played this curious game so convincingly and completely I’m more loyal in a real sense than I’ve any right to be.

    My SO is emotionally astute and surprisingly clever, much to my internal chagrin.

    Rule:

    As with everything, modify and play it to your man. It’s all contingent. You can get surprising things with honey you won’t get with carefully sharpened bricks.

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  345. on April 10, 2011 at 9:51 pm Rum

    aoefe

    Even a semi decent guy would not leave you because just because of wrinkles and what not. A lot of this plays out according to how strongly the guy wants to fight to maintain an ideal image of himself. Leaving a woman simply because of something that happened to her like aging or illness would just not be possible for such a guy. Letting yourself turn to lard is a different matter.
    OTOH, very few men are capable, in a reliable way, of turning down an offer of a little bang bang even if, rationally considered, they are likely to get caught and even if they have a solid thing at home..

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  346. on April 10, 2011 at 9:53 pm walawala

    @aoefe
    I’m curious to know from you men who are in long term loving relationships what you feel as your woman’s look change.

    I’d echo what Gorby was saying and only add that again, there needs to be an air of mystery and almost superiority for a guy to stay.

    That means you can’t be flirting with other guys, but the guy has to think he too could lose you.

    It’s subtle, but potent.

    I can think of women in my life I could instantly lose, and others at least one other who while our relationship has shifted, remains someone I literally couldn’t live without.

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  347. on April 10, 2011 at 10:23 pm aoefe

    You guys have confirmed what I have always believed to be true – men are the committers once they’ve decided to. Men in my experience are slower to come to a decision about who they want to be with long term, but once the decision is made they don’t look back. Women are more flighty and don’t seem to consider all the factors before declaring undying love. This confuses men I think. Men don’t say they’re in love till they are and so when a woman says it I think they take it as gospel perhaps? I have only loved two men, my now ex-ltr and my current man. It took me six months to know for sure and to say the words out loud. We came to the conclusion pretty much at the same time. I made sure he knew that he was only the second man to hear those important words (the ex was a long time ago). I think he appreciated I’d saved them for him, and it was not a willy nilly flighty girlie emotional declaration. A man should expect devotion and honour from his mate and if I’m hearing you correctly (I am) then this alone can help protect our future.

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  348. on April 10, 2011 at 10:29 pm Gorbachev

    @Aoefe,

    While men are led by their dicks, they *know* they’re led by their dicks. I’ve made stupid decisions based on the Penis, have I ever: A hot ass can make a man dance the dance of shame.

    But I know I’m an imbecile if I make real decisions based on the Penis. I’ve always known that.

    *WOMEN DO NOT KNOW THIS*.

    They make decisions based on the ‘gina and then rationalize it with the ever-energetic hamster wheel of unreason. Only with the cold dawn do they repent, after they’ve ensnared victims.

    They ensnare the victim because they were honest: They honestly believed themselves, and therefore presented this to their victim. The male sacrifices; the female obliges.

    Thus, rendered plain, the nature of men and women.

    (men: be smart.)

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  349. on April 10, 2011 at 10:34 pm Rum

    Bingo

    But it does work pretty well in normal circumstances.

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  350. on April 10, 2011 at 10:35 pm Rum

    (for aoefe)

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  351. on April 10, 2011 at 10:42 pm aoefe

    @Gorbachev

    I was talking to a gf the other day about how I had to work hard to quell my hamster. She asked for an explanation and I gave it. She totally got it. We women are terrible for that. I’m not sure I’ll ever lose it, but at least I know when it’s running the wheel.

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  352. on April 10, 2011 at 10:42 pm aoefe

    Thanks Rum.

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  353. on April 10, 2011 at 10:57 pm Rum

    Here is what I meant by “reliable” resistance to fence jumping.
    It would have to work for decades, drunk or sober, overseas or at home, regardless of how hot she is, and so on. It is definitely possible but powerful instincts fight against it every step of the way.
    Smart women understand this even when they do not like it.

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  354. on April 11, 2011 at 3:58 am Rum

    Dolly Rebecca Parton is like, really old by now.
    There are a lot of good reasons to think she was the smartest woman in America in the last 100 years.

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  355. on April 11, 2011 at 4:39 am n/a

    aoefe,

    Your situation is interesting. You’ve lived by your looks. You’re intelligent, feminine, exhibitionistic, and vain. And of a certain age.

    In short, a perfect target for a serious seducer. Especially if your current “love” is close to your age. It’s very easy to use a woman like yourself, because, although you’re still desirable, you’ve entered into what I call the age of gratitude.

    A seducer senses this and exploits it. Take careful stock of your current man. Unless he is a good deal older, he’s holding all the cards. Don’t let “love” blind you to the realities of the sexual market.

    I give you this warning free gratis and for nothing because your response to the ludicrously ill-named beautiful was exceptionally fine.

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  356. on April 11, 2011 at 4:41 am DJ

    Just saw a woman I used to date when I was 20 or so. She was a solid 8 – 8.5. Now at 37, I cant even give her a 1/10. Yep, she is a zero.

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  357. on April 11, 2011 at 8:45 am Lara

    aoefe,
    My husband once said to me that he still thinks of me as I was when we first met even though that was 18 years ago. I think for women there are advantages to being with a man that knew you when you were in your prime. They seem to hold that image of you pretty well over the years.

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  358. on April 11, 2011 at 9:20 am aoefe

    @Lara

    That’s lovely.

    I once went out with a man who asked to see pictures of me when I was younger. I didn’t like that he asked because I knew he wanted to see that he was dating a former super hottie. I felt like he’d tell his friends, “ya she’s pretty now, but you should have seen her back then, she was smokin!”. I dumped him shortly after.

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  359. on April 11, 2011 at 10:45 am Name

    Lara,

    AGREED. You can sear a pretty powerful image into his memory. Plus, if you snag them young enough while they’re still growing, you can override and permanently hardwire the physiological response.

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  360. on April 11, 2011 at 4:52 pm Glengarry

    Rejoice, women of the west, Mauretania may hold a brave new non-lookist fat-positive inclusive non-judgemental future for you all.

    Obesity is so revered among Mauritania’s white Moor Arab population that the young girls are sometimes force-fed to obtain a weight the government has described as “life-threatening”.

    Fat-farm madam Fatematou is quite devoted to her work:

    “I make them eat and eat and eat. And then drink lots and lots of water,” she explained.

    “I make them do this all morning. Then they have a rest. In the afternoon we start again. We do this three times a day – the morning, the afternoon and the evening.”

    …

    Fatematou admitted that sometimes the girls cried at the treatment.

    “Of course they cry – they scream,” she said.

    “We grab them and we force them to eat. If they cry a lot we leave them sometimes for a day or two and then we come back to start again.

    “They get used to it in the end.”

    Net result?


    She said the girls could end up weighing between 60 to 100 kilograms, “with lots of layers of fat.”

    Oh. Never mind.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3429903.stm

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  361. on April 11, 2011 at 5:20 pm Glengarry

    the quest to find a perfect man, is really a quest to find the perfect mirror in which to see oneself

    The goal of life, one from this supposes,
    is to become a narcissistic bitch princess, who,
    whilst emitting beautyons, degrades into a bitch queen,
    then similarly into a bitch queen mother,
    then into dust.

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  362. on April 11, 2011 at 5:48 pm Glengarry Longscrotum

    Nor do we find your hairy asses and saggy scrots much fun either.

    One looong, loving teabag coming up.

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  363. on April 11, 2011 at 8:52 pm aoefe

    @N/A – “In short, a perfect target for a serious seducer. Especially if your current “love” is close to your age. It’s very easy to use a woman like yourself, because, although you’re still desirable, you’ve entered into what I call the age of gratitude.”

    Thanks for getting my hamster going dude. I hope to gawd I’m not grateful. I’d rather be alone for the rest of my life and content (I am content now) than live with a man who wants to eff with my head. I’m not a sugar momma type so I don’t think that’s what a seducer would be after with me. Course I am all that and a bag of chips in the hay bale. 😉

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  364. on April 11, 2011 at 9:52 pm Seth

    @aeofe

    I’m young so I don’t have experience to offer in my opinion but I think I’m a decently smart cat so here goes. For the most part I think when a man is in love with a woman he won’t care about wrinkles and a little sagging as long as you take good care of yourself (that means never be overweight). Much truth has already been said about men still seeing the wife of their youth even after many years. To get a little Biblical;

    “May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth” -Proverbs 5:18

    Basically if you take care of your body with exercise (weights, cardio, etc) and a healthy diet and dont gain more than 5 pounds from when we met you (which medically speaking for health reasons you shouldn’t anyways unless your pregnant)… we wont have to more then give a slight squint to see the beautiful woman that captivated our hearts and our lust years ago.

    Practically for the ladies I would also suggest seeking men older then yourselves. I would suggest 10 years older is a good goal. As stated before men tend to gain power in the dating market with age up until a point and women tend to loose it, so an age difference does well for both parties in my opinion. Obviously this is just something to keep in mind and I would never suggest anyone restrict their standards too much with age ranges in the game of love.

    Lara was also very correct in saying there are advantages in landing a man when you are in your prime physically. I fully support women getting an education and being in the workforce but they are simply designed different and should not put off marriage and children for as long as is customary in the U.S. and the west. Women have limited fertility plain and simple and they actually reduce their risk of disease if they have children under 30 (uterine and cervical cancer I think), and the children also tend to be healthier and has less chance of genetic defects if the woman is younger to an extent (for men its 40yrs old). In fact the best time to have children for women is 20-25.

    If I am blessed with a daughter one day I would suggest that she keep her eye out for a good suitable husband beginning when she is about 18 or so figuring that the search could take possibly 5 years or more. I would also suggest she look for an older man. I would tell her this because I love her and want her to have the best opportunities in life possible including landing her dream man.

    And cultavating your character and personality goes a long way to keeping a man also so don’t think that it doesn’t. The most of us want a lover and a best friend as well someone who knows us very intimately and at the same time stirs our lust.

    About following one’ Penis. Instinct is a powerful thing and yes men are wired to want to fertilize that which is fertile, hence the attraction to women who are healthy (thin, fit, hot) and usually young. But we also have a higher functioning brain as well that allows for things like love and connection and reason. As women do your best to keep yourself looking feritile while stimulating his higher functioning brain as well and we will be hooked for life…

    A great video that talks about the two part brain. Although its focus is applied to pornography addiction its implications are immense and far reaching and more then applicable to this discusion.

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  365. on April 11, 2011 at 9:57 pm Seth

    aoefe, sorry about spelling your name wrong.

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  366. on April 11, 2011 at 10:11 pm Seth

    Sorry about the triple post.

    aoefe,

    A great article about the hormones released when we feel “in love” and “lust” and such. It’s about tests done on couples who were dating for different periods of time and how the chemicals released in their brains changed over time if any. You might find the final message uplifting.

    http://www.esquire.com/features/mri-of-love-0609

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  367. on April 11, 2011 at 11:33 pm n/a

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  368. on April 12, 2011 at 10:02 am aoefe

    @seth

    Thanks. No worries about misspellings, I do it too! I look forward to reading your suggestion of an uplifting article. Phew – good to know they’re out there. haha.

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  369. on April 12, 2011 at 1:32 pm Firepower

    Glengarry

    The goal of life, one from this supposes,
    is to become a clone of Firepower
    copying his prose eternally
    for the entertainment of
    ms. moistlipps

    Whilst I agree with much of your statements,
    cease copying my Style, or I’ll be forced
    to insert those laurel leaves up
    Caesar’s Lower Rectumus

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  370. on April 12, 2011 at 5:44 pm Glengarry

    Erato Moistlipps’s a slut, man,
    I swear she never told me
    she had no man,
    man

    But that roll in the hay,
    man that was sweet

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  371. on May 15, 2011 at 3:36 am Eaton Beaver

    Don’t people find it odd that women get their periods at 10 years old, but the age of consent in America is 18?
    …………
    Do you know it’s illegal for an American to fly from the U.S. to another country to engage in sex with a woman under 18? They will prosecute in the U.S. for an act that took place in another country!!!!! Why don’t they prosecute armed robberies, assaults, rapes, and murders that took place in another country? See below for answer
    ………….
    The answer is..because all the old codgers in Congress made that ridiculous law because they are haters. They all want young women, and if they can’t get it, they don’t want you to get it!
    …………
    Any man that says he isn’t attracted to 16 or 17 year old girls is a liar, trying to be politically correct. Do you think a judge can change what mother nature programmed us to be attracted to???? After all, she only has 300 billion years of experience.

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