When you are a socially adept charmer drawing attention to yourself by being alive and interesting, you will notice that girls around you react to your presence in one of four different ways. These four ways of reaction are so common that they are likely universal in nature; that is, they are reflections of core human psychology. If you run game — i.e. if you act charismatically — with any regularity, you will cause girls in your vicinity to alter their behavior. They do this unconsciously as their undistracted state is interrupted by your presence, and you can predict with some accuracy how receptive each type of girl will be to your game.
Type I: Acknowledgers
This type of girl will raise an eyebrow, smile, crane her neck with curiosity, nod, or mutter a curt hello when a high value man is within her orbit of perception, and she is within his. She doesn’t want to seem too interested, but she is so intrigued that she can’t help but acknowledge in however fleeting or subtle a manner the man who has punctured her daily dullness. She wants to feel like she is a part of his world and that she is as perceptive as the other women at recognizing his value, so she acknowledges him to affirm her in-crowd cred. But her acknowledgement is brief and off-hand, so that she may retain the fiction that her value is higher than his until proven otherwise. Sometimes, she acknowledges simply because she feels peer pressure to do so. Acknowledgers are rarely seen alone, because they have a strong need to “fit in”. If they are alone, they tend to acknowledge less and withdraw more into an introverted shell. Acknowledgers are natural followers.
Game receptiveness: High. Acknowledgers are uncomfortable with their growing sexual attraction because it is so strong and makes them feel vulnerable. They will follow your lead wherever you take them. They are ripe, low-hanging fruit for the picking, heavy with the juice of wanton womanhood.
Type II: Engagers
Engagers are girls who will jump into an alpha male’s world with gusto, tap dancing and singing the whole way. They are attention whores at heart who will latch onto the social savvy express train of similarly extroverted men. When they see a man having fun, being impossibly cool, or holding court with other women, they find excuses to introduce themselves to him, or they position themselves within proximity of his senses so that the transition from their world to his is not awkward. Engagers smile a lot and are rarely at a loss for words. They like to give high fives. Their bodies talk as much as their mouths do. Engagers are no less sociable when alone.
Game receptiveness: Low to high. Engagers are often cockteases, but of those that aren’t, same night lays are possible. You will need to disqualify Engagers hard. They like to chase.
Type III: Pretenders
A girl who has noticed an alpha male but acts to conceal her curiosity is a Pretender. Usually, these types of girls have a prideful but sometimes fragile ego, and an inclination to abhor attention whores and social competitors. They are loathe to express their interest in a man before has has done the same. You will recognize Pretenders by their furtive glances and quick look-aways when you catch their eyes. Pretenders love to shit test once engaged, and to act all high and mighty in the belief that no person is as interesting as themselves. They are as conceited as Engagers, but without the Engagers’ natural curiosity and love of experiencing new things. Pretenders want to meet alpha males, but want the plausible deniability that studied indifference brings.
Game receptiveness: Medium. Pretenders are interested, but they are going to make you work for their attention. They succumb most easily to perceptive men who call them out on their pretending, and who butter them up with lines such as “I have an intuition about you…”. They are excellent comfort stage candidates. Pretenders are expert at deploying proximity alerts.
Type IV: Hostiles
Hostiles are the type of girls who will studiously avoid acknowledging high value men or women. They are the put-upon quasi-goths and the bristly lawyercunts of the woman underworld. Hostiles are identified by their abrasive and distant personalities, and while an inordinate number of them are ugly or fat, quite a few are drop dead gorgeous hotties whose standards are so high they go out of their way to act unapproachable so that no man gets the idea in head to breach her perimeter defense. Hostiles have swollen egos they protect at all costs and cannot tolerate someone else, even an alpha male, captivating spectators. She takes this as a personal affront. Mind you, she isn’t an attention whore; she just doesn’t like it when her bubble of superiority is pricked by an intriguing man. Hostiles hate to feel vulnerable, and thus encase themselves in an adamantine shell of disregard when they feel the slightest tingle of attraction in a man’s presence. You can identify hostiles by the sternness of their expressions, the stiffness of their backs, and the stridency of their walking, as well as their transparent and clumsy attempts at ignoring you by staring at a wall twenty yards away, or at a UFO in the sky.
Game receptiveness: Low, to sky high. Most men will find hostiles not worth the effort to game. They are so cold up-front that many will be intimidated by the approach. But hostiles fall hard to aloof asshole game. A jerk who can remember what she says about her job is like manna from heaven to the hostile.
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You’ll observe the four types above (HEAP: Hostiles, Engagers, Acknowledgers, Pretenders) in many situations in life. For instance, I was sitting outdoors on a stoop with friends (mixed group) which faced a busy sidewalk bustling with pedestrians. We were drinking red wine and listening to Motown. We all looked a little too precious, and that was enough peacocking to draw attention to ourselves. The same types of girls you see in clubs, bars, supermarkets, at the beach and at art classes could be seen walking down the sidewalk reacting to us enjoying our leisure on that stoop. This applies to the men who walked by our little gathering, too. Some would acknowledge us with a nod or a smile and a slight slowing in their step, a little bit embarrassed with themselves. Others would engage us by stopping and making a comment. (One girl shouted “Oh, so lovely!”) Others, the Pretenders, would glance over then quickly avert their eyes lest they be seen affirming our high social value. Finally, there were the Hostiles — these were mostly men, but some women as well, who would briskly walk by without a break in their stride or a turn in our direction. Looking closely, we could see some of them grimacing.
If you are a close observer of human nature, you will see these four types of behavior manifest in people at work and home and everywhere else you go. HEAP is probably a representation of people as they move along the introversion-extroversion scale, intersected with the sexual/social status scale. An introverted, ugly girl will usually be a Hostile while an extroverted pretty girl will be an Engager. Exceptions exist, but as a general guideline to how women will react to your peacocking and your social stardom, the HEAP system is fairly reliable.

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Superb analysis about Female Aging followed by yet another stellar analysis of socio-sexual relations. Classic Roissy. Brava!
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HEAP sys is gold.
If only wimmin
stopped watching so much fucking TV,
SITC and Eat, Prey, Love
– they’d get clitoral delight more often.
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More about those apologist manginas.. Gay and Ardagh
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If you thought that video was creepy and pathetic, have a look at the one linked to in this post.
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/gay-and-ardagh-what-can-i-say/
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This post is WAY overdue. Everything stated rings true.
Firepower is correct, women need to stop watching so much damn TV.
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I think I’m a Pretender, maybe an Acknowledger +1 drink.
Type II girls just try to hard. And what of rejection!!?? :::dies:::: Best to not jump in feet first.
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“For instance, I was sitting outdoors on a stoop with friends (mixed group) which faced a busy sidewalk bustling with pedestrians. We were drinking red wine and listening to Motown.”
That sounds fun. I would have wanted to come over and join you guys.
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Yeah me too!
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I know of girls that exhibit double traits. I have one particular woman in mind that began as an Engager and moved to Pretender during the course of our interactions. She was a super hot single mom.
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Make that a nice Pouilly-Fuissé and I’d be there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pouilly-Fuiss%C3%A9
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i love posts like this. i have made observations like these myself many times before and have used them as pre-strategy for my approach. i rarely deal with hostiles these days. too much trouble and the sex is rarely hot. they are not good at pleasing men in general. also way too neurotic. pass.
the attention whores are fun in the club but they can get annoying to be around. pump and dump is the way to go with these. i murder it with the acknowledgers and the pretenders make you work but they can end up being cool. i find that the women that are somewhere in between acknowledgers-pretenders to be worth the time, siding on the acknowledgers. it shows they have a healthy ego and can accept reality. if they err too much on the pretend side they tend to be less passionate about life in general. not just about accepting that a high value man has entered their purview.
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Four guesses which one I am? Three of them won’t count. Actually I know there is zero interest in guessing so I’ll tell you. I’m an Engager. Yes Game works on me even though I know about Game. Sigh…
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Dead on about Hostiles, my current girlfriend is one and I got her by, you guessed it, being aloof and indifferent. She had a boyfriend, I had a girlfriend and she was my boss, so I figured she was off-limits and put her in the friend zone immediately. Then came the teasing her and when asked by her to do things, I would playfully refuse. Our favorite pastime? judging people who came into the club (I was a bouncer- her, the assistant manager)and laughing at the guys who were so desperate they were taking home 250+ lb trolls just to get some. Things progressed naturally and before I knew it, she was texting me to drive her home when she got drunk and as a good employee, how could I say no? 😉
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What is this crap? Do you do anything besides rehash “How To Pick Up Girls” cliches?
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Ok blond moment and slow on uptake. I’m the first one acknowledger. heheh
I know know who cares! 😉
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Very interesting stuff. Good post.
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@aoefe
“Yes Game works on me even though I know about Game. Sigh…”
No shame in that. I know about makeup and showing cleavage and that shit still works on me.
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aoefe holla back w/ HNT already
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@Aoefe,
Do you mind me asking if you had an Alpha father or are high-T, check your 2D:4D ration – just curious…
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aoefe, don’t kid yourself. Think of this post as the Alpha in the room. What did you do when he showed up? You walked right up to him and said “Me, Me, Me!” Which type is that again? Right, the Engager.
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This is so true it’s not even funny.
Most good looking girls in college act like Pretenders or Hostiles. Once you crack them with a good neg opener, though, it’s game on.
Side Note: Does anyone else think Acknowledgers are almost always 7s or is it just me?
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Time to write a book
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Beautiful. From deep underneath the chateau, roissy fires intercontinental ballistic missiles into spinning hamster wheels, centered in the labyrinth of feminism.
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Hostiles are the easiest for the short term but most dangerous for the long. Exactly these three steps: (1) be charismatic without drawing excessive attention to yourself or projecting too much sexuality (in a word, be affable), (2) make her one person you engage among many, and don’t act one iota put off or intimidated by the front, act like you recognize that this is something she does for other jerks and players, without saying you are in on her secret, project that you understand entirely why she is that way – project your higher value by acknowledging that she has every reason to put on this front and you would too if you were her (3) impose yourself around her defenses by getting at the “real” her, … be “genuine” about this, and it won’t be hard because you genuinely have to believe its all a projection on her part and there’s a person under there, and you will be genuine, because you are right, there is (except for lawyer chicks-you’d be a damn fool to mess with that).
The whole thing is differentiation and familiarity: you are not one of the jerks so her bitch shield doesn’t bother you because you know it isn’t meant for you and you keep addressing the friendly soft squishy side that you know exists until she tires and reveals it to you. Then give her a wink and a kino.
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@Dan – True – men still respond to the artifice we apply. Thank gawd. haha.
@Anonymous – HNT – yes I must be more dilligent in my exhibitionism. Us artsy types can be a bit flighty when it comes to disciplined stripping.
@That Guy
I had an alpha dad and a submissive mother (not to be confused with door mat). Gave me great messages growing up.
I’m left handed which I read only 8% of women worldwide are. There’s a theory that female fetuses were exposed to more tetesterone to create this. Not sure – but interesting.
I’m high T I’m sure of it, but don’t know what 2D:4D ration is.
@Flahute
True! Never thought of it that way. However I’m also more confident here than I’d be in person. I’m not great at enaging unless engaged first.
Sorry but I was reminded of flatulence when I saw your name.
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Gender Propaganda
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Classic post
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@Aoefe,
I meant 2D:4D ratio – as in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
What your ratio, on your non-dominant hand (right)?
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The Avoider:
Very shy, particularly when young. Friendly but cautious with men. Looking for an LRT or marraige with a higher beta. Avoids risk-takers. High probablility of running away (in the nicest way possible) if you approach. All but the gentlest gaming will freak her out, espcially if she’s under twenty-five.
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I have a question for you guys – how do you deal with guys who are higher value than you, who are in your social circle?
One guy I know is about 37 with a successful career, and he has tons of beautiful women hanging off of him. However, him and I aren’t too close. I get a black heart full of jealousy when I see him around, because he is so much more successful with women than I feel I could be.
I feel like I turn into the “Hostile” type with successful men and pretty women. How do I avoid this?
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Holy shit… HOLY SHIT! I’ve always known guys like this exist, but it still shocks me everytime.
I feel my balls shriveling up as each second ticks by. Got a girl coming around soon and this is making me impotent LOL… better put on some Kid Rock or something.
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I don’t think calling them “hostile” is a good description.
They might be genuinely hostile as much as they are shy, intimidated, or oblivious (especially in the case of men).
A more descript name might be “avoiders”.
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And since you’re a fan of acronyms, you can call it the PEAA system.
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Monitor: What is this crap? Do you do anything besides rehash “How To Pick Up Girls” cliches?
And are you aware you yourself are the cliche “I just come here to criticize then vanish”?
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@That Guy: re 2D:4D
Very slightly shorter, hard to tell at a glance.
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@that guy: re 2D:4D
Ooops waz looking at moi hand the wrong way…my index is longer…so no ratio correlation with my potential for high T. I wonder if exposure to porn at an early age is behind my man-like drive. Just a theory I have. (I hate writing man-like…it’s soooo manly).
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“They might be genuinely hostile as much as they are shy, intimidated, or oblivious (especially in the case of men).
A more descript name might be “avoiders”.”
I agree. The above description of “hostiles” doesn’t fit for shyness, intimidation, or overly-cautious women — whereas “hostiles” sounds like a group that is socially willing to be rude and also a group of cynical people. In contrast, shy avoiders are trusting, even too trusting about people’s motives, which is why they are so cautious with anybody who comes across as dangerous. They’re polite and kind to the point where it is almost impossible for this type to be rude in social situaitons.
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Off Topic-
“Progressive” feminists on Twitter threaten to cut off men’s penises if Planned Parenthood is defunded
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Please define high value men — surely you can’t mean womanizing doucebags
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THe other important point to note is that at any given time, the target can be a mixture of all of these, going from Acknowledging, to Pretending, to Hostile, to Engaging and then ping-ponging between Hostile and Engaging.
There’s also another type which may be a combination of these that I would call the “Boomerang” or Humming Bird.
This would be the one who leaves and comes back and leaves and comes back. This may be a variation of the Engager and the Acknowledger.
But I’ve found the “Boomerangs/Humming Bird” require more push-pull.
I had a “Boomerang/Humming Bird” experience the other night at a party.
The girl I had gamed a while back and who was later dating a beta shlub approached me and then dropped major IOI’s.
We hadn’t seen each other for a while, so I asked where she’d been hiding.
“Busy, working, BORED”.
“BORED” was the major IOI. Any woman who is dating or seeing a guy and then suddenly says she’s been “Bored”….isn’t seeing the guy.
Then I realized the beta shlub had also dropped out for a while, a clear indicator the Boomerang/Humming Bird had dumped him.
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@Mark…
“”I have a question for you guys – how do you deal with guys who are higher value than you, who are in your social circle?””
Good question. There are many sites detailing how to deal with AMOGs–Alpha Male Other Guy.
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31…too old!
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Now I know I am a type. haha!! Very interesting and quite accurate. ha! I think you can tell what type a girl is not only by how they behave, but also how they communicate.
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hostiles are usually stuck up attractive women with daddy issues. Hence their ego is so delicate they cannot take the chance of making the first move. They are crazy bitches, everything threatens their ego, avoid at all costs.
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aoefe,
“…exposure to porn at an early age…”
Nothing sweeter than shy and secretly depraved. Time for you to tell me all about it.
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The Monitor:
What is this crap? Do you do anything besides rehash “How To Pick Up Girls” cliches?
How sad that these “cliches” *actually work*…
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31:
Please define high value men — surely you can’t mean womanizing doucebags
Or supplicating manginas..
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Ooops waz looking at moi hand the wrong way…my index is longer…so no ratio correlation with my potential for high T. I wonder if exposure to porn at an early age is behind my man-like drive. Just a theory I have.
Maybe your simply just a narcissist, aoefe.
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Interesting there’s a lot of pretenders and acknowledgers here in SF. And there are definitely a lot of Hostiles. I think most women in SF are really enclosed and are tightly wound to friendships.
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Aoefe said:
I wonder if exposure to porn at an early age is behind my man-like drive. Just a theory I have.
The causation is the other way. You have high-T –> you enjoy porn. In my experience all high-T chicks like/love watching porn…
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the worst by far is the intersection of unattractive and hostile.
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Is it safe to assume that women (and men too) switch between these modes depending on who they are interacting with?
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@epiclolz
Amen.
I met one the other day, I felt heavily inclined to shove a taco up her ass.
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vintage roissy
this is concise and useful. in my experience, most cute/attractive women move toward hostile/pretender as they accumulate experience with high quality men.
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@reality check “maybe your simply just a narcissist, aoefe.”
I’m not sure how high T and a strong sex drive make me narcissistic. That said I’m pretty sure you’re saying it because I dare to comment here as if I have a right to and because I have a blog site that posts half naked pics. Pretty sure you’ve formed your opinion, so no point in trying to convince you otherwise. 🙂
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@That Guy -“The causation is the other way. You have high-T –> you enjoy porn. In my experience all high-T chicks like/love watching porn…”
Totally makes sense.
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Aoefe,
So would you/have you ever made porn for your own consumption or that of friends?
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@That Guy,
I made one video a long time ago that I destroyed when the relationship broke up. It was quite hot from what I recall. I’m an exhibitionist at heart and I’ve wondered if I didn’t have the upbringing I had if I would have ended up in the industry. I auditioned for our National Theater school a much more acceptable route to performing. I do find good porn contains great acting though.
On an another note I have that Dear Woman video playing in the background and I’m disgusted listening to those men suck on female’s toes – not sexy. Gross.
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I have a high sex drive but don’t enjoy porn. I think most porn is banal and repetitive, boring even. Besides, why watch someone else lick a lollipop when you can go get one yourself?
The types Roissy’s come up seem pretty inspired, but as S-252 said I don’t think people always portray the same type in their interactions with others. For example, I’m probably closest to an acknowledger in terms of behavior (although Roissy’s reasoning of what’s behind the behavior rings alien to me) but if I’d walked past his entourage’s peacock perch I’d have acted more like a pretender. Since I’ve been in my current LTR I’ve had to start acting pretender-wise so as not to provoke unwanted attention from the opposite sex. Of course I don’t keep looking back at people, but you have to be aware of who’s around you in social situations, so if a good-looking guy catches me assessing the crowd I don’t make eye contact even though I previously would have probably had a slight smile and an arched eyebrow for them.
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I am going to plagerize this to share with some wings.
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Aoefe,
So who do you consider the best porn actors and why?
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Gaming a money obsessed financial chick with a great ass and no detectable gag-reflex:
“I am not looking to make more money, I don’t need that. I just want to invest in making the world a better place…”
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This blog’s awesome, I read it all the time, but I think it’s slowly gotten to the point where it’s nothing but a platform to show off his “status” and stroke his own “Alpha male” ego.
INB4 someone calls me a “hostile”, LMAO.
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We are heading towards a dark age
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Where does a Conscious Man find real Feminine Energy?
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31:
“Please define high value men — surely you can’t mean womanizing doucebags”
Women vote with their vaginas.
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‘“Progressive” feminists on Twitter threaten to cut off men’s penises if Planned Parenthood is defunded’
Guess they go in the Hostile category then? hehe
Anyhow not only feminists are worried about this issue. As a Pro-Eugenics White Nationalist who knows that Blacks get abortions at 3x the rate of Whites and Hispanics at 2x the rate of Whites am deeply worried about this funding being cut!
The more Black abortions and Hispanic abortions the better, hey they are just fetuses right, right Mizz liberal, can’t be racist to a fetus that isn’t even human in your feminist ideology… right?
P.S. Lothrop Stoddard, one of Americas leading Scientific Racialists sat on the board of the American Birth Control League.
Gamers who don’t want kids, radical feminists who don’t want kids and White Nationalists who believe in Eugenics can all agree to support abortion and Planned Parenthood, lets come together now people.
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anyone see russell brand on american idol on thursday and the absolute bitchface jennifer lopez pulled (eyebrows raised, no smile) while everyone was laughing and applauding at the end of the clip of him? she was being hostile!
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@solvemygirlproblems and you know… if you take a group of 4 girls/(guys but this only happens if there is at least 1 girl in the group), one of each archetype, a single ‘hostile’ just has to shit on the apple pie of fun that everyone else is having if someone else interesting strolls up.
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@That Guy
I don’t know who porn stars are with one exception: Sasha Grey. Once upon a time one of the posters here mentioned her and I Googled and watched (Googled not meaning anything more than it says *wink). She’s interesting from a personality and from a performer point of view. She likes what she does and she’s been able to cross over into mainstream (i.e. Entourage) while doing it.
I’m not ashamed of saying I watch it, but I do admit it’s rare, I’m a woman and I’m pretty sure we don’t need the visual stimulus as much as men. My imagination works really well.
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I think I’m an Engager!?!
Woot!
I might be a Hostile too!?!
Grrrr
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Pretender through and through…what to do with insight?! What to do?! I want to be more available to men, should I stop?
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This is excellent. But sadly will go over some guys’ heads. 🙂
I see these types among my friends. The underlying reasons for why aren’t as important as what they actually do – which seems true for life in general, and interacting with other people. Who cares about their inner psychology… focus more on how they act.
Now the boring part… what am I? When I was younger, painfully shy, and identified with extreme religiousness (wanted to be most ‘good girl’ of all), I was a Pretender. Oh, how I would start to heat up whenever a hot guy was near… heehee.
Later on when I opened up and wasn’t quite so uptight (or at least, learned that it’s better to pretend to be like everyone else in terms of values if you want to fit in),
I became an Acknowledger.
I’ve had times (when I was especially flirty or felt like being a playette… ah good times 🙂 ) when I was an Engager, probably. Felt like no many was out of reach of my charm. Of course, when it’s mostly a tease (from the male perspective) one sees how that works out 🙂
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I think my other post is pending, but forgot to add… lately I’ve had Hostile moments… when I hang out with much younger girls (like, girls in college or just out of college). Why I have such young friends and go out with them is another story (they don’t all realize I’m that much older, they think I’m like 25). Any way….
It’s embarassing that knowing what I know, I’ve been that way. I’m sure it’s self-consciousness about not being as young. I’m trying to follow the dragnet (I think it was?) and others advice about aging gracefully.
This is more of an issue for me around younger guys. I just get Hostile… I guess I know they wouldn’t be interested in someone older for the long haul, so maybe that’s my way of saving my ego? But then again, who cares? Oh, if George Clooney sees me, maybe he won’t want to make me girlfriend #2000. Let’s be Hostile to him right? No… no. I wouldn’t. I’d be excited to get his photo and recognize that’s all it is.
Doesn’t make sense then, to get Hostile with some out-of-reach guys but not others, but the hamster rarely makes sense.
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Damn good post man.
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Onyx, part of aging gracefully is being hostile to younger men trying to get into your pants. Between the lines, you should be scolding them for it…like your grandmother would have if the same thing was happening to her.
I’m not saying that it can *never* be that a younger man would have good intentions towards an older woman, just that it is extremely rare. So you should be fending them off.
If you look younger than you are, or you have a personality that makes you very attractive despite your looks, let them down gently, but let them down. It’s usually as easy as telling them your age, and if they say it doesn’t matter, go old fashioned. Tell them that you don’t have sex outside of committed relationships and he’ll have to meet your family before you’d consider dating him.
A younger guy who sticks with it even through all that can be on a kind of probation. His intentions are probably good, but he might have issues, like mommy issues, low self confidence and doesn’t like to date women with too many options, or other problems that are technically dysfunctions but work out for some people. Chances are that it’s not a good long term option, but if your filters are tight it at least won’t be humiliating for you in the short term.
When you’re not a virgin, there’s really no need to have a wall of b.s. up to protect your virtue, but you should think heavily about protecting your psyche. Threats to it should be treated as such without apology.
You are not obligated to be nice to people who want to harm you.
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@aoefe
You are almost certainly not high T. Your look (feminine face), manner (agreeable), and the fact you have to work to say slim (paleo) point away from high testosterone.
Many things besides testosterone influence sex drive.
Your sex drive, extraversion, exhibitionism, and even your relative ambition (corporate management, starting your own business) are just as likely derived from higher levels of dopamine than testosterone.
Dopamine pushes us to seek reward and stimulation whereas testosterone is more about seeking status (to the degree that it influences behavior). Testosterone’s primary benefit is from its anabolic properties; it is why men have greater muscle mass, stronger bones, and suffer less skin aging.
If I had to guess as to your biochemical status (a silly thing to do, granted), I would say your are high estrogen (feminine, girly-girl) with high energy (dopamine). I high T girl would be more like the DC lawyer types that are so unpopular on this blog.
Disclaimer
I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.
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epiclolz
the worst by far is the intersection of unattractive and hostile.
This describes approximately 70 percent of American women (and about 55-60 percent of British and Canadian women).
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aoefe
@reality check “maybe your simply just a narcissist, aoefe.”
I’m not sure how high T and a strong sex drive make me narcissistic. That said I’m pretty sure you’re saying it because I dare to comment here as if I have a right to and because I have a blog site that posts half naked pics. Pretty sure you’ve formed your opinion, so no point in trying to convince you otherwise. 🙂
Don’t get me wrong aoefe, i think your a pretty cool lady and i often enjoy what you have to add to the discussion (including this one).
It is just that i was proffering an opinion as to what possibly was/is a prime motivator in your behavior(s).
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Most black women are
hostiles and pretenders
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[…] Thoughts: Dopamine, The Alpha Drug By Default User On a recent Roissy thread, Aoefe wondered if she might be a high T woman (I surmised that she was not). In formulating my […]
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http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-girl-talk-vagazzling-my-genital-warts-made-me-feel-better-about-having-/
Food for thought.
Skank? Slut? Dumb as sh*t. Words fail me. It’s like she simply doesn’t have any sexual morality.
I remember being told by a women a long time ago: “I would never kill my husband. I would be so embarrassed if I got caught.”
Merciless and amoral, is what they is.
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D, that’s half feminist brainwashing and half having a dad who’d honor kill or at least beat you nearly to death for getting premaritally pregnant. Depends on the family. Sometimes it’s a little of both.
Getting laid may be easier for women, but the consequences are not. Some of us grow up in families who are either comfortable with double standards or shotgun weddings, with men who would do whatever time needed to be done from enforcing family standards with a smile.
If you spent some time in Utah behaving like an obvious cad or just being an obvious outsider (non Mormon), you’d meet quite a few hostile White women too. They don’t tend to have the false sense of security from color that folks do in other parts of the U.S.
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On the conscious video, I think it’s time for women to make a rebuttal with Rammstein’s _Engel_ in the background.
We don’t want to be treated like goddesses. If a guy is trying to get in touch with his anima or the “divine feminine” he would do better to read the legends about them a little more closely.
These types pick and choose what’s convenient for them and ignore the rest. They insult the pre Christian faiths and make fools of themselves in the process.
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omfg great scenes of alpha in a movie?? i saw this 20 years ago and forgot about it
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very sound logic. makes sense.
check this out. when i met my ex-wife.. she was a total engager. i was big.. muscular.. handsome and great in bed. bitch loved me. then we got married.. had a kid.. started having problems (i got hurt.. lost a lot of muscle, lowered my look status while she got hired as a model and upped hers never good). then i discovered the manosphere.. started working out again.. looking good.. and she became a hostile. she hated that i ignored her shit tests.. hated that i was becoming hot again and attracting attention.. it ended in a mess.
i’m guessing here.. but the initial attraction was all alpha.. but being an alpha cock whore.. she learned alphas don’t usually stick around.. however i did.. so she thought she achieved the dream of taming an alpha. once the status changed.. she lost respect for me.. but still wanted a stable life because we had a child.. meaning she would stay with me but only have sex on her terms.. then when my alpha re-emerged, she panicked and bolted because she thought i would be leaving anyway.
no worries for me.. i’ve got three better looking girls after me.. not that she was a slouch either.. just hate being away from my daughter.
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Two things: first, the “Dear Woman” video. Thank you so much for helping identify the true meaning of BETA. Also, I haven’t thrown up into my mouth for a long time and really had forgotten what it tasted like. Thanks for that, too.
Second, this was a great post, but generally unnecessary. I’m not a classic Alpha, and I’ll leave it at that. I think what needs a post is a contrast between how betas and Alphas respond to high value women and how game would allow an Alpha wannabe to draw her eye to him as someone who should be watched.
Great blog, I really enjoy the shit test posts.
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I have a question, and I would really appreciate if someone would elaborately voice their opinion:
What do girls think of guys who are confident, and extremely self-reliant and trust no one, kind of like a sociopath?
In saying so, I don’t mean the complete lack of social skills, quivering before any interaction, and being disgustingly socially awkward.
What I mean is more like not trusting anyone, not having any close friends, instead have people who you solely hang out/go to parties with, but not much more.
Is that a positive or a negative?
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Just so you ppl know, all Greek letter types can grow into others depending on the relationships (or lack of relationships – Omega), that one has or is willing to foster.
Alphas might be lazy or brow beaten, encircled, or just working within a set of principles, that cause them to appear like Betas, though while successful Alpha looking types are under Beta type (i.e. Obama who does not seem to be making his own decisions but at the behest of REAL Alphas in the background) as they do not make their own decisions.
For example a successful businessman could be a henpeck wimp, beholden to sex from a mistress or have a licensing department make him into their their beta bitch without knowing it! The inclination to fight or depart from these conditions in fact determines who is Alpha.
It’s that much more complicated than the simple surface issues. As yes, there a plenty of ‘hostiles’ that are barely human in approach these days. They are a cult of sorts masquerading as ordinary citizens which have (much like the infiltration of USA by Zionism and NWO) infiltrated psychiatric and psychological institutions so that objectivity is only retained by some commonsense types or ethical institutions and nations.
We are in conditions of psychological war, act accordingly or by the next generation, actors like Arnold Schawtznger who are manly buit willing to appear pregnant later will subvert the rest of humanity into a single sex HIVE. Frm the looks of the Bishpenol or Estrogen all over the place from chemical industries etc., it certyainly looks that way.
Men and reasonable women who value freedom and sexual dimorphism, should really start making sure that the traditional family unit and gender classifications continue to exist so we can counter the effects of big society, which obviously prefers Metrosexuals and a single sex Hive to parasite off. Hell they even tried promoting ‘Asexualism’ off and on. ALL cultures (even the supposed icky ones like LGBT) must survive, anyone who tries to eradicate any via GMO or social engineering, neurotech, or law, are CRIMINALS indulging in POGROMS.
Who knows maybe hostiles are a form of decadent alien culture subverting mankind before they strike? So keep those red light districts and traditional women’s roles sharp and defined ! Alpha-ness could be mankind’s most fearsome weapon against the decadance of a technologically backed dystopian hive future.
Vote for candidates who at least respect diversity if not run for candidacy yourselves.
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[…] Chateau – “The Subtle Heartbreak of Female Aging“, “Sluts March for Right to be Easy Lays“, “The Four Types of Female Reactions to High Value Men” […]
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This applies cross-culturally.
Currently in Asia. I see the HEAP operating all over.
This systems needs some refining, though – of course, it misses out on subtleties.
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And completely off topic, for those who speak some Chinese and can appreciate Visions of Beta, I give you:
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Great post! I favor Game as it is a middle finger to the evils of feminism and the cultural mind f-ck it did to western civ over since women’s sufferage. Who’d knew I might meet higher quality smarter men who share my values and understand human nature better?!
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@Gorbachev
That was sooooo cute and sweet! I couldn’t make out every word, so i got someone to help me. I felt sorry for the guy. He wins the beta of the century award hahah!! It’s impossible! he might be able to keep it up for a while, but no one can be THAT beta…..for ever!!! lol!!! hahaha!! very sweet! Can you take your socks off before your shoes? hehe!! Now you know how….hahaha!!
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Seeing that these guys say “Not sure what pansies really implies, but we are both married to gorgeous women and have off the charts great marriages.” (the say that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3eQHFkggr8&feature=player_embedded)
Here are names and pictures of the two wives of the “conscious men”
Chameli Gad Ardagh, wife of Arjuna Ardagh
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Kathyln Hendricks, wife of Gay Hendricks
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http://www.hendricks.com/
http://www.hendricks.com/kathlyn-hendricks
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PRETENDERS:
In my recent experience (mostly in DC) it seems 75% of attractive girls are pretenders. It’s ridiculous. They pretend to an extent that they almost seem asexual.
I think online dating (Match, eHarmony, even Facebook) has been a game changer.
IOW, attractive girls in general no longer go out into the real world (bars, bookstores) to get with men. They only do that to have their egos stroked.
These “pretenders” tend to arrange their dating lives through social circles and through people they meet online. If you approach one of them out of the blue in a bar, even if your game is tight, they almost react as if you are committing a social faux pas by talking to them.
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Hey, all, it’s come to this…
“How to Get Her to Commit,” by Steve Hamilton, match.com on Yahoo!, 9 Apr 2011 (I think)
http://yahoo.match.com/y/article.aspx?articleid=9146
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Reader, those women probably were gorgeous in their day.
Thing is, this “human consciousness” thing is just another cult acting like they invented balanced spirituality. They insult other belief systems by claiming they don’t exist when for goodness’s sake there are sacred Hindu transexuals, and some Buddhist sects recognize at least five genders.
There’s a sorta Gay-ish African deity, who is the son of an incarnation or manifestation of Oshun. Christians even have either the Virgin Mary or the gentle side of Jesus. There has been plenty recognition of the feminine in spirituality over the aeons. It just until recently didn’t mean the suppression or villainization of the masculine.
These kinds of people make me sick. They’re ignorant, twisted hypocrites.
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@Default User
Interesting the dopamine theory – makes sense.
@Reality Check
I’ve been letting your comment on narcissism being a potential motivator for my actions roll around in my head for a day. I don’t want to shut it down without examining it. I am a performer at heart and like an audience. That said I do have loving relationships and very good friendships so I suppose I am capable of thinking beyond myself and not as self absorbed as I may appear here. I would admit I am fond of my own image though and have taken steps to protect it so there is some narcissism there for sure. (it’s also narcissistic to reply to your comment as if it really matters what I’ve discovered…want to point out I see that). 😉
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@dana- super hot video. Yum.
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Ludwig, in my observation, unscientific as it is, the internet has led to a more solid stratification of the sexual market. Women’s egos may be currently boosted by the ease with which they can now find guys of commensurate ranking, and mate up with higher ranking guys, but there’s more of the former going on than the latter.
So a woman who knows she’s an 8+ no longer has to settle for guys in her area. She has the whole world of 8+ men to choose from.
An average woman has no trouble, thanks to the internet, with finding guys who aren’t preoccupied with porn or reserving their pursuit efforts for women out of their league. Even a woman with serious defects can easily find fetishists.
The only drawback is that she needs to be willing to relocate. This is the only reason I’m out of luck. I’m not willing to upset my daughter’s education for orgasms, and I don’t have the heart to ask a guy to reroute his career and move to Israel.
Guys can and do use the internet the same way. It’s just tricky to not become some woman’s beta cheering squad. I’d say that a guy should make a website about himself and his interests and let the girls come to him instead of getting too deep into social networking sites. Maybe have an account, but don’t use it much.
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The whole idea of the sacred feminine being played with my New Age-y folks is hopelessly naive, in several respects.
PreChristian religions are indeed full of female Dieties but they by no means always represent niceness. In their stories, they are about as likely to trick and kill as to nurture. The Hindu Figure of death and destruction is Kali – a female figure. And anyone who has actually spent quality time with human females quickly learns that they are not always nice.
It has crossed my mind that the “Dear Woman” crap is a deliberate marketing game. There is big money in selling New Age bullshit and creating an internet/youtube splash is a logical first step. I suspect the two guys were put up to it by the female parts of the scheme who failed to understand the depth of loathing that men feel – more or less by instinct – to such a display. But then, females probably feel a stronger loathing. Maybe a sort of group-think took over and nobody could point out the dumbness of it all.
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Now a video suggestion from a man with more self-respect than those castrati invloved with “Dear Woman”…
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There are surely more types? Where would you place a woman who is polite and friendly in general? Or are they not susceptible to game?
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Could not resist making up a ‘which type are you’ test based on this post.
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“I would never kill my husband. I would be so embarrassed if I got caught.”
That would be the talented Mrs Ripley, at a guess.
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Woah Bhetti, your description of me as the Inviting Seductress pretty much hits the nail on the head. I’m 63% coquettishness, 33%Missbenetty, 11%extroversion and 0%hostility. I’m pretty shocked by how accurate your description is.
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Bhetti I tried to take the test and got stuck at the end when it asked for a code and to enter a phrase or something…I wasn’t able to complete it. Glitch on my end perhaps. Shucks.
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31 said:
“Please define high value men — surely you can’t mean womanizing doucebags”
In this spoiled, overly-covenient age the loudmouth who’s dismissive of other people and gets more ass than a toilet seat is a high value man. He’s dominant and other women want some of that too. Of course, that he’s an *sshole with no standards makes said women complain “Where are all tho good men?” later. Anything else is not valuable to women.
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aoefe: Some sort of captcha error/browser specific error? It doesn’t do that if you sign in with an okcupid/helloquizzy account anyway.
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[…] by this blog post, I designed a playful little test: Click […]
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Apparently beta American husband loses Russian wife and daughter to apparently alpha Russian thug.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-child-abducted-to-russia-20110409,0,2073051.story
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@Reality Check
I’ve been letting your comment on narcissism being a potential motivator for my actions roll around in my head for a day. I don’t want to shut it down without examining it.
I am a performer at heart and like an audience. That said I do have loving relationships and very good friendships so I suppose I am capable of thinking beyond myself and not as self absorbed as I may appear here. I would admit I am fond of my own image though and have taken steps to protect it so there is some narcissism there for sure.
Well, that statement by itself shows you certainly are capable of healthy introspection, which a full-fledged, true-blue narcissist is typically incapable of (and we all – especially the Chateau readership – are a bit narcissistic).
(it’s also narcissistic to reply to your comment as if it really matters what I’ve discovered…want to point out I see that). 😉
Glad my comment mattered enough for you to mull over it, aoefe :-> (anyway, like i said before, your a solid Anglo-Saxon woman, whose character and persona i like a great deal).
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@dana: “omfg great scenes of alpha in a movie??”
Really? You think so? I disagree. Bud is awkward and immature. He dances around what he wants but never actually comes out and says it – pretty much the opposite of alpha in my opinion.
Look, Splendor in the Grass is basically a story about a guy with terminal blue balls. What he should have done is either rubbed one out (how difficult is that to figure out?) or put his cards on the table and explained to Deanie that he has this need and she needs to help him out with it – not necessarily with full-on sex, but something.
But I know, it’s also a story about sexual repression and 100 years ago they didn’t know about things like hand jobs.
I like the scene because Deanie is a nice girl, of a type that is all but extinct. But I don’t especially like Bud.
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@Reality Check
Interesting that you feel readers of the Chateau especially have narcissistic tendencies. I’m curious as to your theory can you explain?
(thanks for your kind words)
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Aoefe, are you seriously asking IF self-proclaimed “alpha males” have narcissistic tendencies?
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Flip said:
“Apparently beta American husband loses Russian wife and daughter to apparently alpha Russian thug.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-child-abducted-to-russia-20110409,0,2073051.story ”
The woman’s prerogative everywhere nowadays, it seems.
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What about the 5th type? The kind that beg as you are shoving them in your trunk?
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Engager:
http://regretfulmorning.com/2011/04/exercise-ball-ko/
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who would have thunk it. A song the captures a host of the 16 commandments of poon sung by beyonce no less. Written by a guy hahaha.
I’m a train wreck in the morning
I’m a bitch in the afternoon
Every now and then without warning
I can be really mean towards you
IV dont play by her rules
XV. mantain state control
I’m a puzzle yes indeed
Ever complex in every way
And all the pieces aren’t even in the box
And yet, you see the picture clear as day
IX connect with her emotions
as an aside bi@tches be crazy and they know it
I don’t know why you love me
And that’s why I love you
You catch me when I fall
Accept me, flaws and all
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love. . . mmmm
VI Keep her guessing: this imo is the greatest of all commandments as it at the heart of commandements I, II, V,X and XVI
I neglect you when I’m working
When I need attention I tend to nag
I’m a host of imperfection
And you see past all that
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority you see past it because youve got things to do youre a busy man and also it doesnt bother you because XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
I’m a peasant by some standards
But in your eyes I’m a queen
You see potential in all my flaws
And that’s exactly what I mean
XVII Qualify her lest ye be qualified and found wanting
I don’t know why you love me
And that’s why I love you
You catch me when I fall
Accept me, flaws and all
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love. . .you
I don’t know why you love me
And that’s why I love you
You catch me when I fall
Accept me flaws and all
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love you
And that’s why I love you
You, you, you
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Hey, news flash…
Even with women getting 60% of all college degrees and generally outpacing men in education now, they don’t want men who’re less educated than they are.
http://www.bakadesuyo.com/how-important-is-your-answer-to-the-education
Even on online dating sites… you don’t have the credentials, you don’t get looked at any further. “Must have bachelor’s degree… to empty trash cans” just like in the want ads.
WTF is wrong with this picture?!
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I don’t know what the statistical concept is called, but the problem you have with the scenario described is that your sidewalk group unwittingly raised a political issue sure to skew results. To what do I refer? Why the Motown, of course. Anyone who listens to Motown is clearly pining for a simpler day when black people behaved themselves rather than threatening a beatdown for any failure of conspicuous deference. In other words, those employment-defense litigation babes (just about all women lawyers are in employment defense), suspect you may be a “racist.”
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Me3 you are not cool. You are a total geek. You don’t deserve any sex for that nerdy, brainwashed game analysis of a BEYONCE song.
As for Anon’s college degree double standards -well, intelligent women want intelligent husbands to make intelligent babies. So men, don’t blame women, get off your lazy asses, knuckle down with your education and be smarter. 🙂
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Speaking of the warped advice chick magazines give…
“7 Psychotic Pieces of Relationship Advice from Cosmo”
http://www.cracked.com/article_19066_7-psychotic-pieces-relationship-advice-from-cosmo.html
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@moneypenny – “Aoefe, are you seriously asking IF self-proclaimed “alpha males” have narcissistic tendencies?”
haha…good point!
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The cosmo advice isn’t so crazy. If your spouse starts loosing weight, dressing better and putting new passwords on the computer, maybe your spouse is cheating on you.
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aoefe:
@Reality Check
Interesting that you feel readers of the Chateau especially have narcissistic tendencies. I’m curious as to your theory can you explain?
I think ‘moneypenny’ pegged it with “…are you seriously asking IF self-proclaimed “alpha males” have narcissistic tendencies?”
I will say this aoefe – in that i believe there is an appreciable difference between narcissists and sociopaths – the two, often misconstrued as similar, are often distinct.
In other words, one can have an ego and still be gregarious, thoughtful and altruistic towards other men and women (excessive narcissism is still not good, though).
(thanks for your kind words)
Always welcome.
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Blogger Susan Walsh (one of my feminine favs next to you aoefe) did an interesting article on the spectrum and gradations of narcissism:
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2009/07/08/personal-development/oh-crap-im-a-narcissist/
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Another interesting piece from Susan Walsh:
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/04/11/personal-development/a-fascinating-weird-personality-test/
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Umm, is it just me or couldn’t you theoretically say that ANY group of people will attract these four reactions? It’s not a question of what kind of reactions there are, but the proportioning.
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Good guys are hard to find hurts women…so Stop it.
http://jezebel.com/#!5789174/how-the-good-guys-are-hard-to-find-narrative-hurts-women
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“Even on online dating sites… you don’t have the credentials, you don’t get looked at any further. “Must have bachelor’s degree… to empty trash cans” just like in the want ads.”
Eh… that’s just her list of qualities kicking in. Your profile pictures and first messages are much more important than the college degree. The kind that stay in and get Ph D’s tend to be very risk averse and don’t want to face society. But like Roissy said, dating sites are mostly trash.
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@Reality Check
I discovered Susan Walsh through Ferdinand’s site. She’s great! I took the second test and it’s an interesting one. Kind of crazy. I will take the narcissism one when I have more time to fake my answers. 😉
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http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/04/11/personal-development/a-fascinating-weird-personality-test/
the test is a pile of horse manure. all of the ‘conclusions’ it gives are worded in a way that is applicable to everyone. it’s basically what psychics do.
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a clinical diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is really:
– a form of social control (‘this is how you should be thinking/feeling/acting’)
– a way of putting your therapist’s kids through college (‘you need help and i can give it to you for $200/hr’)
and they’re proposing to remove it from the dsm-5. even they know npd is a fucking scam.
if a former girlfriend describes you as a ‘narcissist’ to others, it means you’re alpha.
if you describe a former girlfriend as a ‘narcissist’, it means you’re beta.
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Off topic:
Ever wanted to see how a fat person rationalizes their fat:
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/04/thingsfatpeoplearetold-you-are-strong.html#disqus_thread
LOL. They are strong because they are FAT.
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I discovered Susan Walsh through Ferdinand’s site. She’s great! @aoefe
Your both pretty great … would be fascinating to see you ladies collaborate on a project or article together.
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I will take the narcissism one when I have more time to fake my answers. 😉
LMAO..
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@Reality Check
Not trying to be humble, but she’s really out of my league. I am flattered you’d consider me a choice for collaboration. Thank you.
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Paging GORBACHEV.
Can you explain how shit tests work in Korean?
I am decent in the language, and I noticed how Korean girls display their equivalents of shit tests. Or fits. (Haji ma~, wue gu re, etc.)
I would love to hear your take on it with examples.
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anonymous
Just ignore the qualifications. It’s a woman’s way of saying “I’m all that, therefore you should feel attracted to me”. The words are worth as much money as you can sell them for.
As I’ve often repeated, I’m short, balding, and mid forties. I never went to college. In my peak I’ve never been handsome – I’m noticeably below average in facial attractiveness. For a good portion of my dating career I’ve been flat assed busted broke. And yet somehow or other I manage to pull. And the quality has a consistent tendency to be several points above my attractiveness level. A few nights ago my 21 year old girlfriend spent a half hour singing love songs to me. Made energy shoot up from the soles of my feet to my head. The big tittied girl could be a model if she wasn’t so short (I love short), makes sweet love to me on demand, wants my babies and has never been naked with another man. And she puts up with me seeing my other girl, who recently turned 20. And these are just two in a long list of examples of girls way out of my league being heavily emotionally invested in a guy who really has no right asking them the time.
I recently kicked my live in girl out, sadly. She was sweet and attentive for 5 months, but then suddenly had serious mental problems and had an ugly breakdown. While it’s painful to lose her, and to know she’s spending her days crying and pining over me, my calendar is freed up and there is no reason to not simply replace her. Who will I target? Will it be mid forties western girls? No, it will again be girls from 18-22. Maybe 26 maximum. I have a few dates lined up. I’m picky as hell physically. The contrast of me beside the pretty girls I date is so shocking that the older matrons often give looks of disgust and shock, as they assume the young thing must be a prostitute. The asian women aim eye daggers at the girl, while western women get purple faced and get all eye stabby at me. Me and the girls just laugh and up our public sexual heat. Invariably the hot young girls always love my girlfriends and try to befriend them.
The point of all this is to be heartened. Girls don’t actually have high standards. They have high defences. They want to appear to other girls as if they are valuable. And they want you to believe they are valuable, in order to secure larger offerings and to make you believe they are attractive. It’s just a gambit. They may say they want a tall rich DJ, but if you make em laugh and make em come, you can own em.
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Not trying to be humble, but she’s really out of my league. I am flattered you’d consider me a choice for collaboration. Thank you.
Aoefe – you really are a thoughtful and considerate lady (with healthy self-respect and self-esteem – a killer combination – a true Anglo-Saxon, Nordish gal).
*Seriously, you should reach out to Susan some time and parse some ideas around with her – we men of the Chateau eagerly await…
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Why the fuck would a man having a college degree matter. To the fuckhead who posted that link, read this site more and not that other shit.
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Woah Anon, I didn’t mean to elicit your anger issues. I said that intelligent women want intelligent husbands to make intelligent babies. Some would say a degree is a social gauge of a person’s academic achievements and a marker of their conscientiousness and determination.
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I don’t know if hostiles are so- as you seem to imply- as a twisted strategy or that they have inflated egos; I tend to think they are just very neurotic (either this or they have been trough some traumatic experience.)
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Moneypenny- I respectfully disagree about intelligent women wanting intelligent husbands “to make intelligent babies. “. This might play a part too, but I think the main and more important reason is that intelligent women have a strong need for intellectual companionship in a long-term relationship; I mean really-you’ve married a guy, you live in the same house- you need to have some common subjects to talk about 😛
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Jolie
And yet after a few years, which intelligent couples still have intelligent conversations?
I suspect intelligent conversations happen mostly in the seduction and honeymoon phases. Day to day life is about enjoying the silences, the music, the tv, and the sound of each other happily munching food. And the fucking.
I think it’s just all a big idea in peoples heads. In real life, it doesn’t work like that.
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Roissy, what the hell is this shit? I’m not talking about the body of your post, but the way that you wrote that last paragraph really pissed me off.
You all looked “a little too precious”? WTF does that even mean? Why the hell should anybody care that a bunch of people are sitting on a stoop and drinking red wine while listening to Motown? I’m pretty sure that was all in your head. Your writing style in that last post was very feminine and SWPL.
So sitting outside and listening to Motownmakes a person high value? If I walked by a bunch of yuppies on a stoop listening to Motown, I wouldn’t think anything of it. I probably wouldn’t even notice them. You’re far too up your own ass.
I lost a lot of respect for you based solely on the way you worded that last paragraph.
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