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A Bedroom Finishing Move

April 14, 2011 by CH

A lot of game material focuses on early game (attraction) and mid-game (trust), but comparatively little attention is paid to end-game (seduction). This is the phase of game where the girl has nearly convinced herself to sleep with you but needs you to pass one or two last-ditch, critical alpha tests before she can will herself to sex. It is at this stage that many men fuck up royally, activating her anti-slut defense because they sped up within sight of the finish line and pushed too hard, or they disappointed her by resting on their laurels like an asexual lump and pushed too little.

Blowing it during end-game is the worst, because you have invested the most at that point. You’ve taken her on a date or two, you’ve held long conversations with her, and you’ve plotted and strategized — imagine the frustration to have her within ejaculating distance of your bed only to see sex vanish with a poof as she grabs her purse and tells you what a nice time she had.

There are tactics for overcoming last minute resistance — take-aways, freeze-outs, preemptive coyness, preselection bachelor pad props — and all of them are good, but one very powerful bedroom finishing move often goes underappreciated:

Choreographed sexual leading.

Reader Dirk gave a good example of sexual leading:

My policy that chicks have to be naked to get into my bedroom has all sorts of benefits. Psychologically, it’s a take-away to tell a girl she can’t go in the bedroom, and I’ve had amateurs over for the first time immediately strip and go inside, which immediately led to sex. Even if they’ve been there before, it keeps the focus in the bedroom on sex. It’s also a dominance thing, since they are usually totally naked before I even have my shirt off, and often I am still fully clothed when they are already totally naked. To [pique] their interest, I keep the door slightly ajar, lights off, but with lava lamp on. I’ll also go in and out a couple of times to adjust the music and sometimes porn, since I run both off the computer in my bedroom, but I close the door after myself when I go in and out so the chick can’t follow me in to the bedroom while still dressed. If she does, its a good time to announce my policy. My policy announcement usually just starts, “you can’t go in there”. If she doesn’t responded with a “why not?” after a few seconds, I will then explain that “women aren’t allowed in there with clothes.” Of course, that line is a DHV. I live in a 1 BR apartment, so there’s not a lot of real estate to explore, so they almost always get curious about seeing the BR.

Last year, I had one chick over for the first time and I told her to strip outside my apartment building. She then walked 3 flights of stairs naked, walking past several of my neighbors’ doorways. She loved it so much, she insisted on walking back out to the car naked in broad daylight.

This is gold. Does requiring a chick to disrobe before entering your bedroom make any logical sense? Of course not. But since when do chicks caught up in the excitement of a possible seduction care about logic? Seduction is, first and foremost, about emotion. Your words are just a silky thin facade to cloak the subtext of sexual anticipation. She hears you say “You have to be naked to go in my bedroom” and she doesn’t say to herself “Why? Is he running an experiment that requires a fibre-free environment?”; instead, she *feels* to herself “Wow, that’s kind of hot. I’m getting wet.”

Dirk’s ruse is all about sexual overtones and displaying higher value through tacit preselection and leading the interaction. Women want to be led by men, and never is this more apparent, and more true, than two steps from your bedroom. Women particularly love when men tell them what to do sexually. It hits all the female buttons that crave submission to a dominant man. She will love you for making her a follower, and resent you for allowing her to lead.

Ordering a girl to change positions — note, I said *ordering*, not politely asking — is one of the hottest things you can do for a woman in bed. Have you ever noticed how a woman’s vocalizations will change and grow louder when you tell her to turn over and raise her ass to meet you? Doggy style is so sexually arousing for women because it is the most SUBMISSIVE sexual posture she can put herself in. She is completely vulnerable in that position. No intimacy, no eye contact, no visual cues — just her ass and your hand grabbing her hair as you thrust.

Dirk’s bedroom directions remind me of the dynamic at play between photographer and subject. There is a reason why women famously love photographers, filmmakers and other similar artists — women can’t get enough of being directed to do certain actions by men, particularly when those actions have a sexual flavor.

A couple had stopped on the boardwalk to ask me and my date to take their picture with their camera. I grabbed the camera and had them stand in a spot that I felt would result in a better shot. As they stood there goofily smiling, I told the woman to move this way and to drop her hand. She complied. I then motioned for both of them to take off their caps. Again, compliance. Still dissatisfied, I asked the women to tilt her head a bit toward him. She got flustered so I stepped closer and slowly brought my hand up near to her face and gestured the direction I wanted her to move. She smiled and her cheeks blushed a rosy hue.

After the shot, she thanked me profusely, saying it was good that they found a professional to take their picture. She let her eyes linger on me a split second longer than was appropriate for a brief meeting with a random stranger. I’ve seen that look before: it’s the look of a woman who is pleasantly surprised at the feelings evoked by the moment just passed.

Good end-game: Order, direct, challenge. Tantalize a girl with sexy role play. Make your move sooner rather than later, but always make it on your terms, never hers. She has to know you are a sexual beast with passion that could dwarf hers, but a beast who nevertheless won’t hesitate to roam for more available prey should the current quarry prove intractable.

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  1. on April 14, 2011 at 4:50 pm John Galt

    1st lol

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  2. on April 14, 2011 at 5:00 pm O-face

    above is a homo

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  3. on April 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm finally

    the substitute shit writers take a day off

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  4. on April 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm Doug1

    Have sexual intensity.

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  5. on April 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm luvsic

    genius

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  6. on April 14, 2011 at 5:28 pm black

    Awesome. Simply awesome.

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  7. on April 14, 2011 at 5:32 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    And if all this doesn’t work, bust out the ‘date brick’.

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  8. on April 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm Amateur

    Help. Faced some last minute resistance last night and failed. Too make a long story short….

    What’s the best answer to, “We can’t keep doing this b/c I’m falling for you?” and when I tried the freeze out I got the “You’re just like all the other guys”.???

    THANKS Community

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  9. on April 14, 2011 at 5:42 pm DrCaveman

    That is a brilliant policy! The only way to get to my bathroom is through the bedroom though, so I’ll be sure to implement it next time I want to put some pressure on a date.

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  10. on April 14, 2011 at 5:47 pm Woof

    Anything to fuck with thier heads. I find deftly stripping myself first while kissing surprises and confuses them. One girl commented to her friend “And before I knew it he was naked”. They never seem to know how to take it and before they can react I’ve got them nude too.

    A girl in doggie style could break free. Missionary position with her ankles on my shoulders, her legs inside my arms then I lean forward and kiss. This puts her feet back to either side of her head with my mass holding her down. She’s totally trapped and nowhere to go.

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  11. on April 14, 2011 at 5:47 pm PA

    Amateur, I once replied to a similar question with “your heart is safe with me.” Worked nicely.

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  12. on April 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm Workshy Joe

    @Amateur: “I can’t do this” is a classic shit test. You deflected it by freezing her out.

    She followed up with another shit test designed to make you apologise for being a man.

    I’d actually inform her that you don’t need to apologise for being a man.

    Playfully tell her off. Laugh at her.

    You’re not guaranteed a bang by doing this, but if you apologise and creep around her – definitely no bang at all.

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  13. on April 14, 2011 at 5:58 pm Bounder

    Amateur, that comment was her rationalization hamster attempting to transfer responsibility for her sexual desire onto you.

    The best response was non-verbal, just kiss her and continue escalating physically.

    Freeze-outs are for blasting through resistance from a new girl.

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  14. on April 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm Amateur

    THANKS PA! That sounds uber cheesey but I can see them lapping it up. and Thank you WorkShy Joe…I can imagine that plan working out perfectly with my usual cocky funny…thats golden and perfect reframe

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  15. on April 14, 2011 at 6:05 pm Doug1

    Amateur–

    What’s the best answer to, “We can’t keep doing this b/c I’m falling for you?” and when I tried the freeze out I got the “You’re just like all the other guys”.???

    “Of course you are my baby. Ssshhhh, it will be alright. Everything’s lovely.”

    Be confidant and intense rather than determined / pushy. Have the backstory frame that if it’s not happenin’ this date it’s gonna the next one. But since she wants it, why not now?

    Stare into her eyes. Kiss her but pull back quite soon. Start towards kissing her again after staring a bit, but make her lips come to yours. Rub her clit over her clothes. Hot her up. Keep escalating.

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  16. on April 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm Amateur

    @ Bounder
    Initially thats exactly what I tried, neandrethal caveman game. ignore her cute little protests and we made out some more…then she broke it off a 2nd time and said it again and thats when I went for the freeze out.

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  17. on April 14, 2011 at 6:10 pm Deutsch

    “finally the substitute shit writers take a day off”

    This man speaks truth.

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  18. on April 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm Doug1

    Amateur–

    What she’s trying to do whether she knows it consciously or not (she probably does) is to negotiate some degree of commitment from you. It’s an anti pump and dump mechanism. It’s a type of ASD.

    You need to make her feel that you respect her and feel her, and that she’s just falling fast because she’s so into you, not because she’s a slut.

    Actually “Of course you” are is probably a bit too asshole at that stage. Better would be:

    “I know you are my baby. I feel you. Shuuuusssh. It will be alright. Everything’s lovely. You’re so lovely.”

    Followed by making out and fondling.

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  19. on April 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm Amateur

    @Doug1
    Thank you thats Golden, great advice,
    Question: Does that line work when she knows you have a harem?

    HAHA I have no idea what I’m doing….

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  20. on April 14, 2011 at 6:20 pm Amateur

    actually I’m sure it does…it’s all about the delivery

    THANK you this site rules, and thank you roissy

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  21. on April 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm Lara

    “Ordering a girl to change positions — note, I said *ordering*, not politely asking — is one of the hottest things you can do for a woman in bed.”

    Now that I think about it that is pretty hot.

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  22. on April 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm ExtraStout

    “This is gold”

    The only place I ever see this retarded line is in the online seduction community.

    [Editor: Or Seinfeld. And a million other places.

    (haters have really been reaching lately)]

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  23. on April 14, 2011 at 7:18 pm Smrtass

    Gold, Jerry! Gold!

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  24. on April 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm Ben Runkle

    Solid game advice from the same Roissy who wrote the Dread post so long ago. When I’m in the throes of passion with a girl, I just do what feels best. I get bored with the same positions fast, so I flip her around, missionary, doggy, her on top, move to a counter, etc. all in the same love-making session. I’ve never asked a girl if I can move them , I just physically do it, and I’ve never even really thought twice about it, although, I will go easy on the Rough sex and in bed-acrobatics with a new girl until we’ve fooled around a few times and I’ve gotten to know what she likes. I guess you could call it “Sexual Calibration”.

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  25. on April 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm Anonymous

    I’ve never met a girl that didn’t love being dominated in the bedroom

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  26. on April 14, 2011 at 8:09 pm The_King

    Ordering a girl in…

    1. German (Most masculine language.)
    2. French
    3. Spanish
    4. Other foreign language.

    …further adds value. Bonus if the girl is Jewish.

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  27. on April 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm Rant Casey - BR

    Amateur

    To her first sentence, just answer:

    “I know”

    *make out*

    In case she…

    “You’re just like all the other guys”

    Then…

    “You have no idea…”

    *makeout*

    If she freezes, 99% chance she is over 30, and/or is a neurotic pussy (high mainetance);

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  28. on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 pm Anonymous

    Agree and amplify can still be used for the “I’m falling for you” shit test.

    I’ve responded with “that’s dangerous,” and “oh you don’t want to do that,” but without going any further, and both worked. Pithily a acknowledging one’s bad boy nature and heartbreaker proclivities seems to quell the hamster uprising. I call it “Camouflage via limited disclosure.”

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  29. on April 14, 2011 at 8:46 pm rickb223

    re; “Bedroom Finishing Move”

    I thought that was fuck her in the ass & wipe it on the drapes. Or is that making her scream twice?

    @Amateur–

    What’s the best answer to, “We can’t keep doing this b/c I’m falling for you?”

    Bye.

    #1. If she leaves, you’ve lost nothing. (By your own admission, you didn’t get any)

    #2. When you show her she is no great loss & can be replaced easily, she’ll panic & give in.

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  30. on April 14, 2011 at 9:09 pm College Grad

    There’s another good thing not mentioned about the reader’s rule. He implicitly tests whether she is good to go without actually asking or having to willingly navigate her psyche. If she tries to enter, she’s wants it. If she doesn’t or gives up quick, time to kick her out. All the while she doesn’t see what’s going on.

    I have a rule that I recently started using… no cuddling without sex. Sounds silly, but girls kept telling me they loved literally sleeping with me. So my rule keeps sex always a part of the relationship and on my terms.

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  31. on April 14, 2011 at 9:30 pm cpike

    another roissy truism (rape is about sex, not about power) proven by an academic study:

    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/is-the-decline-in-rape-due-to-the-accessibili

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  32. on April 14, 2011 at 10:00 pm Tim

    You caught it too, eh Roissy?

    Dirk nails it in the details.

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  33. on April 14, 2011 at 10:08 pm Jonathan Manor

    So interesting. Too bad I don’t live in a one bedroom apartment. If I did this would be all the more fun.

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  34. on April 14, 2011 at 10:09 pm Anonymous

    Get that hamster wheel overloaded!

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  35. on April 14, 2011 at 10:12 pm samseau

    this post seems kinda contradictory to Roosh’s finishing move, no?

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  36. on April 14, 2011 at 10:48 pm Flahute

    @Amateur. Doug1 is from the U.K. If you’re in America, I caution against using the word ‘lovely’ with American girls. It’s more of a common slang-y word there, sounds weird here.

    Yes, order her around in bed. And if you get any resistance, a questioning look from a new girl perhaps, move her body for her or slowly nod your head with a devilish grin until she complies.

    The following excerpt is from D.H. Lawrence, spoken through Oliver Mellors in Lady Chatterly’s Lover (1928). Betas take note: despite what they say, women don’t want to “make love,” they want to be fucked good and hard. You are the leader in bed. Be carnal.

    “It’s a fact!” he said. “Anything for a bit of warm-heartedness. But the women don’t like it. Even you don’t really like it. You like a good, sharp, piercing cold-hearted fucking, and then pretend it’s all sugar. Where’s your tenderness for me? You’re as suspicious of me as a cat is of a dog. I tell you it takes two even to be tender and warm-hearted. You love fucking all right: but you want it to be called something grand and mysterious, just to flatter you own self-importance. Your own self importance is more to you, fifty times more, than any man, or being together with a man.”

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  37. on April 14, 2011 at 11:01 pm Doug1

    Actually from the US.

    Know some things about the UK, having studied there for a year. And other things.

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  38. on April 14, 2011 at 11:07 pm Kingbeef

    I used the old “there’s the door” when she put up resistance. Worked for me. Risky? Probably.

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  39. on April 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm xsplat

    Ordering a girl to change positions — note, I said *ordering*, not politely asking — is one of the hottest things you can do for a woman in bed.

    Ya, I don’t do a lot of that. Rather than “roll over” I hook my elbow to her knelbob (knee elbow) and flip her over. I just toss the girl around like a rag doll. I don’t have time for “do this, do that”.

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  40. on April 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm xsplat

    knelbo

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  41. on April 15, 2011 at 12:47 am A French guy living in CA

    It’s all about submissiveness and the objectification of women. Treat her like furniture and she will love you.

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  42. on April 15, 2011 at 1:11 am n/a

    Hilarious exercise in “nice guy” finishing last. Got some solid laughs out of this one; but others may decide rage is more appropriate:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/fashion/17Modern.html?hpw=&pagewanted=all

    There is almost too much to say about this sleazy bit of canting feminist treacle…

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  43. on April 15, 2011 at 2:56 am Pete M

    “Why? Is he running an experiment that requires a fibre-free environment?”
    Best. Line. Ever

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  44. on April 15, 2011 at 4:06 am Alpha cat

    Solid gold. My house my rules… Bitch.

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  45. on April 15, 2011 at 8:03 am K-Man

    Ha! I remember a friend used to have this prominent single peg near the door of his bachelor pad. When we would have parties and have girls in, if they would ask what this big’ole’peg is for, he would say “for you panties”

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  46. on April 15, 2011 at 8:06 am CB

    Fantastic post. Man, you are the king of this game.

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  47. on April 15, 2011 at 8:58 am Rollo Tomassi

    I love the photographer / director analogy. It’s an implied, almost preconscious, Alpha authority that says, “I know what works best so just submit and we’ll have a great outcome.”

    Brilliant.

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  48. on April 15, 2011 at 10:01 am Fox

    The most powerful memory I’ve got of game is when Iself-discovered it. And funny thing, I realised I was doing “something” when I came up with an end-game move.

    I was 19 back then, and had just had a serious bike accident. Having to wear a medical corset and canes for 6 months, I spent most of that time in bed. Since the accident was a really close call, almost all my acquaintances dropped by to visit. The thing happened with the visit of an air hostess I worked with (I was a flight dispatcher back then). She was 31, still hot for her age, and even though we had always got along there had never been any kind of sexual tension between us. Until I sparked it.

    Talking about my age, I led the conversation to hers. She jokingly said she was already old, to wich I disagreed. And to prove my point I started telling her all the signs of aging she didn’t had…. and touching every spot I pointed at. No wrinkles around the eyes (my finger running smoothly under her eyes), soft skin (my hand softly caressing her cheeks), still having full, red lips (and my fingertips followed the shape of her mouth).

    That was the breaking point. She was staring at me completly hipnotized, mouth half open – she couldn’t look away. I grabbed her head, pulled her closer, and we kissed. The whole move, from 0 to nothing, took less than 2 minutes.

    I was obviously amazed with myself and what had just happened, so when two of my friends came visit later, I told them about it. And since they were both girls, I took the cute one (a fair 7) and repeated every move I had done to her, while telling my history. You can imagine my surprise when the next day my other friend came to visit and told me “When we left after your history, XXX said it’s no wonder the air hostess kissed you. She said that as you were touching her, she felt the impulse of kissing you too”. I repeated the move a few more times, with incredible results. I ended up banging another friend, 2 work companions and my rehab therapist. All within the recovery period.

    I perfected the move with the years. When a girl comes to my place, I tell her at some point about the face massages I learned at some foreing country, and tell them about how incredible they are. Since it’s in the face, their shields don’t come up. And being something they’ve never heard before, being something foreign, being a massage… they just can’t resist to try. You make them lay down and start caressing their face – first forehead, eyebrows, cheeks… you move then to their ears, and start following the line of their jaw. Spent a few minutes doing that, so they get aroused. Then, when you feel the air is charged with sexual tension, move to her lips. Caress them slowly a few seconds, then go somewhere else, then come back to the lips…. if you move you finger in a down vertical move and her mouth opens slightly, and stays like that, kiss her right away.

    It’s the only technique that has NEVER failed to me, or to my friends. 100% effectivity, and I’ve done it endless times. The explanation behind? You just get them horny, and they didn’t see it coming. When they’re dripping wet it’s to late – they don’t want you to stop, and you’re the closest thing they’ve got to satisfy theirselves.

    Hope it does you guys as much service as it has done to me.

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  49. on April 15, 2011 at 10:04 am Zero Wolf

    I thought you were supposed to show leadership qualities and call the shots from the very beginning? Like the first few moments you meet? As opposed to just doing that in the end game?

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  50. on April 15, 2011 at 10:16 am Whipped Alert

    Off-Topic:

    Check out the profile picture on this dude’s Twitter account. He blurs out his own face to make some marginally cute chick’s face front and center. Cringe-worthy!!!!

    http://twitter.com/joewinn1984

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  51. on April 15, 2011 at 11:07 am itsme

    Ordering a girl to change positions — note, I said *ordering*, not politely asking — is one of the hottest things you can do for a woman in bed.

    what, ‘excuse me, would you mind terribly turning over onto your hands and knees so that i may penetrate you with my tumescence in the manner befitting canines?’ isn’t hot??

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  52. on April 15, 2011 at 11:20 am Golf for Life

    Roissy,

    Women need direction in life. Do you think women fantasize about being raped by some limp-wristed liberal who drives a Prius?

    No.

    On a lighter note: your college aged readers might like to know that they can earn $1500 in a “White Privilege” Scholarship Contest.

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/04/rules-for-2011-white-privilege-essay.html

    Hilarious concept and one that could earn a student some easy money.

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  53. on April 15, 2011 at 11:37 am Schmoe

    Well, since no one else has said it, bring back the real roissy!

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  54. on April 15, 2011 at 11:50 am Paul

    OT:

    Phil Jackson, closet alpha. Wildly successful in his field, has bent the will of other super alphas (MJ, Shaq, Kobe) and has been banging the daughter of the boss for years.

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  55. on April 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm Insight

    Now here is some game – Chivalry Game, anyone?

    http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/chivalry-is-dead-and-you-killed-it-ladies-2475128/

    No reading the author’s bio until after you read the article:

    http://thestir.cafemom.com/blogger/88/janelle_harris

    The comment section made me think of the 5 Hamster wheel video above.

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  56. on April 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozozozolzolzzolozz

    you had me at “lava lamp” lzozlzozlzlzoz

    http://eumaios.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/desouled-via-copious-fiat-funded-butthex/

    Morpheus: We don’t know who butthexed first, us or them. But we do know it was them that videotaped it without our consent while scorching the sky wioth a long trail of butthex lies. At the time, they were dependent on butthex power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the common man’s collective anushole. lozzllzlzlzzl

    …

    Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during colleg and getting her mba and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl

    lzozlzozlzlz

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  57. on April 15, 2011 at 12:11 pm sayed

    I disagree with that tatic , it will activate the antislut defense and wont work at all ….. in a conservative culture like HERE in egypt the only way to finish by like a 100% is an excuse to get heavy kino by games or any other routine which involves an excuse and heavy kino then starting to make up then penetration ……….

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  58. on April 15, 2011 at 12:24 pm Moneypenny

    Clearly you guys here always want the dominant role and opt of the ‘easier’ option of a more compliant and submissive partner. Bear in mind you may be missing out on a whole world of sexually dominant women…shame.

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  59. on April 15, 2011 at 12:39 pm Insight

    @Moneypenny

    “Clearly you guys here always want the dominant role and opt of the ‘easier’ option of a more compliant and submissive partner. Bear in mind you may be missing out on a whole world of sexually dominant women…shame.”

    All three of them?

    Ever seen one that was young and hot?

    Lame.

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  60. on April 15, 2011 at 12:42 pm ballin365

    Going on right now:

    Guy going to expose cheating skank.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133613961

    Pwned.

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  61. on April 15, 2011 at 12:43 pm Anton

    Couple days ago I ordered my girl to “turn over”. She said, “What if I don’t want to?”. I said nothing, but grabbed her, flipped her over and went right on ahead. She couldn’t stop smiling and giggling…

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  62. on April 15, 2011 at 12:45 pm Anton

    @Insight

    Total agreement. There are certainly lot’s of dominant women out there, but virtually all are, shall we say, long in the tooth.

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  63. on April 15, 2011 at 12:59 pm itsme

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133613961

    Pwned.

    i didn’t read the entire thread, but did he actually bang this girl that he says is fat and ugly? if so, why?? he has no loyalty to the girl’s fiance, as far as i could tell.

    if the girl were hot, i can understand wanting to hit it, but to nail a fat ugly chick just to prove to her fiance that she’s a slut is rather….pathetic and beta.

    the girl is just….being a girl. she’s doing what the hypergamy module in her programming is telling her to do – nail a fit good-looking guy because her fiance is inadequate.

    so what?

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  64. on April 15, 2011 at 3:39 pm Chad Daring

    This is great man, for a game newbie blunt simply posts like this are invaluable. I can’t help but think how many times in the past before I was Enlightened that I would ASK girl what SHE wanted in bed. Of course the sex after that was shite.

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  65. on April 15, 2011 at 3:43 pm Passingby

    itsme,

    Because it satisfies him in some way, I suppose. Same reason we watch TV or read a book.

    Don’t overthink it.

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  66. on April 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm beefcake

    Very interesting.

    I don’t f*** around much with “dating”. I don’t spend 1 cent on a girl before I have had sex with her.

    If I ever meet a girl anywhere for a meal, before sex, she knows very well before hand that she is paying her own way. Even if its just a cup of coffee.

    I try to invest the least amount possible before sex. This keeps me a lot more uncaring, and not worried about if she is scared off by my agressive manner.

    Just how it is. I get numbers, in under 2 minutes. I game her over the phone, or text game, to get to my house (the basics, not responding more than her, waiting for a bit between replies, and only 2/3rds as much from me).

    Break contact barrier when she arrives with a hug, come inside, make small talk for about 10-15 minutes tops (hotter girls even less time) and then if she is sitting I TELL her to stand up, while I am standing over her.

    She stands up, I grab her wrists and pull her into me, and I kiss her, holding her close.

    At this point it does NOT matter if she smacks me and leaves (I have invested hardly anything in this) yet this almost never happens.

    There are the objections like: OMG I hardly know you!, Or you just take what you want don’t you? etc…

    One of my favorites is: “I know what is happening but I’m not that kind of girl” – my reply “well, I AM that kind of guy”

    Also, “hey, if you didn’t want to be here, you would have smacked me, picked up your clothes and left already, but you’re still here”

    Another objection shoot down “look, don’t define yourself with a number, and I don’t name drop around town – you’re and adult here with an adult man in his house”

    Well they work for me.

    Also, as far as I can recall, most of my first night sex happens on the couch.

    Too many places for error heading to the bedroom, and this is HUGE Anti-SLut red flag anyway.

    When she is in the moment on my couch, and wants it at that moment, then the couch it IS.

    Invest in a decent couch. Actually that was one of my favorites, as I got the number of the hot furniture sales lady (after I made her show me the couch she would love to fuck on most) and then boffed her the next night!

    Don’t bother heading to the bedroom, well unless you plan to use the only naked girls allowed. I may try that if one wants to see my bedroom, BUT my house not so cramped they need a tour.

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  67. on April 15, 2011 at 4:42 pm My Name Is Jim

    This bedroom rule applies to partner count too. If I’m not fucking her, she doesn’t get to know how many came before, not even a ballpark figure. If she wants to know before that, throw out a non-committal “I’ve dated around some” answer like in the are-you-seeing-anyone-else thread, and let her fill the mysterious void with whatever she wants to believe.

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  68. on April 15, 2011 at 5:19 pm julian

    game question:

    what is the quickest way to pre-qualify a woman in the approach stage ?

    thing is im at a point where i dont have the time to spend doing 10-15 minute approaches with 10 women a day only to find out she’s not what i want.

    i dont date sluts, or self appointed whores, smokers or heavy drinkers or chicks with tattoos. any chick that gives off a heavy materialistic/fake las vegas/miami vibe is off the table immediately. i basically seek out physically fit yuppie artsy chicks who dress in an understated european way.

    from a purely aesthetic pov ive narrowed down my choices very quickly. problem is even when i approach chicks who carry this “look” there are still a lot of rotten apples in the bunch. i mean im in america. enough said.

    that being said, are there any quick pre-qualfying questions that gets to heart of a womans character that one can use within 5 minutes of an approach ?

    i work as an arts journalist so ive used the angle that im working on an article on musical tastes and psychology which has worked well but ends up being too time consuming. i ask them what music they like, what music their parents listened to, how would they rate their dancing abilities on a scale of 1-10 etc, its really excellent at getting at the focal point of what a womans life/personality is like, but it takes way too much time.

    any input on quick pre-qualifying questions would be appreciated.

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  69. on April 15, 2011 at 7:08 pm Doug1

    itsme–

    the girl is just….being a girl. she’s doing what the hypergamy module in her programming is telling her to do – nail a fit good-looking guy because her fiance is inadequate.

    Yes she’s got those hypergamous urges cause she’s a girl.

    But the urges aren’t irresistable. She also has the urge to have a mate that will commit to her and marry her, and the deal she’s almost certainly made is that she’ll remain faithful to her fiance and soon to be husband.

    It’s not ok that the she broke that deal. Her fiance should break off the engagement.

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  70. on April 15, 2011 at 7:10 pm Doug1

    Anton

    Couple days ago I ordered my girl to “turn over”. She said, “What if I don’t want to?”. I said nothing, but grabbed her, flipped her over and went right on ahead. She couldn’t stop smiling and giggling…

    Well done bro.

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  71. on April 15, 2011 at 8:17 pm Anonymous

    n/a said:
    “Hilarious exercise in ‘nice guy’ finishing last. Got some solid laughs out of this one; but others may decide rage is more appropriate:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/fashion/17Modern.html?hpw=&pagewanted=all

    There is almost too much to say about this sleazy bit of canting feminist treacle… ”

    Yeah, freedom… to ride the cock carousel, have multiple cats and die old/alone like grandma only without ever having a life with Joe or grandkids.

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  72. on April 15, 2011 at 8:26 pm Anonymous

    Doug1 said: “It’s not ok that the she broke that deal. Her fiance should break off the engagement.”

    Kick dat ‘ho to da curb!

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  73. on April 15, 2011 at 9:20 pm My Name Is Jim

    @Anonymous, the guy’s mistake was trying to close the deal before grandma died. If he had waited till the grief period and then moved, he would have had a good chance. I don’t know why it works, it’s just something I’ve noticed.

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  74. on April 15, 2011 at 11:24 pm walawala

    @julian….

    “any input on quick pre-qualifying questions would be appreciated.”

    Some I’ve used: “So what makes you think you can xxxx?” [Fill in the blank] Dance, etc etc

    “Not bad…” in response to something she says she can do or does….

    You can drop something like “I can’t stand xxxx” movie, song, group, political party… When she says “Really? I love that….” You say “I thought you were different, you didn’t seem the type….”

    She’ll always say “What type is that?”…and it’s on…

    One of the more interesting ones I’ve learned and done is “The Cube”

    It’s not so much a qualifying move as it a great way to engage a girl and get her talking about things that are important….

    I’ve done it twice and both times by the time I was finished the girl was drooling that I knew her “so well”…

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  75. on April 15, 2011 at 11:52 pm Rum

    From time to time I give lectures to Med Students. Even though their egos will become mostrously swollen after they graduate, while still in Med School they are generally quite beta-ish.
    Long before I learned of game per se I developed this habit of always telling the class to get up and move closer to the front of the room. It was not so they could hear or see me better, it was to knock them off balance psychologically and to heighten their curiosity. It was just something I learned to do.

    Bedroom End Game: For the climactic pounding, work their upper bodies out over the edge of the mattress so when you are cumming she is desperately trying to get a grip on something to keep from falling.

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  76. on April 16, 2011 at 12:18 am Rum

    Finishing Move:
    When the times comes for the final, climactic pounding, work her upper body progressively off the edge of the bed, so that just as you are cumming she is desperately trying to get a grip on something to keep from falling.
    Plus, you can learn a lot about her muscle tone in moments like that.

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  77. on April 16, 2011 at 2:28 am Spartan Soldier

    Absolutely brilliant.
    Props.

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  78. on April 16, 2011 at 2:35 am bo bo

    w-o-w–it seems like BOTH YOU AND THE CHICK ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE GUYS because there is no birth control 100% and condoms? please!! yall don’t seem to want to wear them anyway (spreading seed? please!)–and you may be stuck with her having your child and try to hit-you-up for child support or pay for an abortion–yeah? humph!! ‘go have your fun’ see ya when its done–y know yall can’t support all of these women if you get them ALL PREGNANT- I know SOME women are horny for alphas, but NOT ALL–TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT GUYS–some betas with their heads on straight are the best husbands u can EVER HAVE and breadwinners too–i know a few good marriages even in 2011!!

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  79. on April 16, 2011 at 7:34 am A Bedroom Finishing Move « Citizen Renegade | Rough Drafts of a Koanic Soul

    […] A Bedroom Finishing Move « Citizen Renegade. This entry was posted in Game 3.0 – relationship-focused dating advice. Bookmark the permalink. […]

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  80. on April 16, 2011 at 10:04 am Paul

    A lot of “beta” guys in happy marriages are former alphas who deflowered and married (notice the correlation) virgins.

    If a virgin girl was seduced by an alpha she will permit MUCH more beta behavior than the average slut.

    Getting fat of course is a no-no, but stuff like reading a book on Friday night instead of going out with the bros is tolerable.

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  81. on April 16, 2011 at 11:01 am rickb223

    “GUYS because there is no birth control 100% and condoms?”

    bo bo, for some of us, this isn’t our first rodeo. I’ve been fixed. (1993) It’s about as 100% as it gets.

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  82. on April 16, 2011 at 11:19 am Excaliblack

    I just recently came across the blog and to bluntly put it; In Roissy In Fucking Trust! I am a 21 yr old and even though I’m good with the ladies, I didn’t know exactly what I was doing to get my lays. This blog has given me the excalibur sword of game to bring more chicks on their knees!

    I met some chick a few days ago at a house party, a 20yr old 8-8.5 chic, she was from nyc. She seem pretty receptive of the game. When I asked for her digits she declined and asked for mine instead. I told her no and i wanted hers. She then proceeded to say that she wanted to make it ‘easier’ for her by having my digits. I told her I wanted to make it easy for me by having hers. She didn’t budge. I just left her standing there and walked away…

    Question, is there a better way to deal with this kind of scenario???

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  83. on April 16, 2011 at 1:11 pm NYCBachelor

    <<<<<>>>>>

    This seems to have become an almost sacrosant principle on the comment boards here at the Chateau- and I question the fundamental principles upon which it relies.

    The theory is that women who have ridden less alpha cock will be more satisfied with a beta provider due to the inability of their conscious minds to percieve the difference between the beta provider they have vs the alpha studs they never had. Therefore their brains will be more malleable towards a beta provider since they never expirenced the difference between alpha/beta first hand. In other words- ignorance is bliss.

    This theory is flawed for several reasons.

    First among them:

    Attraction is not a conscious choice.

    One only needs to look at teenage girls, estrogen horniness run amok, to see the hindbrain proclivity to select the alpha/badboy for mating.

    They have no expirence with alpha/beta males in a mating context, they are fresh onto the mating market, so you cannot state that expirence as the cause of their mate selection. What this demonstates is that woman have a genetic proclivity for identifying the alpha, even in absense of experience; they’ve dated neither betas nor alphas- yet they still pine for the alpha. What this shows is that alpha identification is a hindbrain funcation that was sulcpted into the fabric of women’s being over the eons; the hindbrain knows even if the monkey brain dosen’t.

    Secondly is that this persumes that if paired off with a beta provider early on a woman will be completely consciously oblivious as to what constitutes beta behavior vs what constitutes alpha behavior. Again, unless this is not the case. A woman has ties to both other women and interaction within the community in which she lives. To state that she cannot compare and contrast the man with which she lives to the ones she sees and/or is told about and expirences outside the home is absurd.

    Thirdly this thesis relies upon the idea that a woman who expirences only a single dick is going to have a proclivity towards only riding that dick. Sort of a “humans are creatures of habit” idea where a woman use to being a slut will continue to be one, while one use to only taking one dick will continue to do so.

    Correlation is not causation. A much more likely explanation is that the women who are genetically inclinded towards slutitide are the ones who are taking multiple cocks before marriage and are the ones who are cheating after marriage. The women who are more monogamously inclinded are the ones who are selecting a single mate and then sticking with him.

    Contributing towards this is a rose-tinted view of past decades/centuries where the proponent of this view think that women didn’t cheat as much and that our current culture is to blame for the amount of promiscuity that women engage in.

    I think this is false- women WANT to engage in promiscuity, it’s a genetic component of their behavior to want to mate with the prime males of the heard; in past ages, the consequences of promiscuity where much more severe- this dosen’t mean that women were less promiscuious or didn’t desire to cheat, it simply means that they were more cautious with their promiscuity and didn’t flaunt it, as they do in the modern age.

    Finally, I think that there is a certain component of beta-provider blindness that contributes to that pedastolization of the women who “never cheat”. Beta providers are going to have much less expirence with the tell-tale signs of a woman’s duplicity due to their general naivity and oblviousness of the nature of women- due to their lack of expirence. In their minds, they think they have a loyal woman who never cheats- when in reality their “loyal woman” could be hiking up her skirt and taking alpha cock when shes off “using the restroom” on their special dinner night out.

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  84. on April 16, 2011 at 1:12 pm NYCBachelor

    Above post was in reference to:

    Alot of “beta” guys in happy marriages are former alphas who deflowered and married (notice the correlation) virgins.

    If a virgin girl was seduced by an alpha she will permit MUCH more beta behavior than the average slut.

    Getting fat of course is a no-no, but stuff like reading a book on Friday night instead of going out with the bros is tolerable.

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  85. on April 16, 2011 at 3:26 pm lakerlynx

    Tested this last night. Told her “all girls named Brittany are required to be topless in my house.” She laughed, not sure if I was joking or not. But a little later when I said “you’re breaking the rules . . . everyone’s gotta live by the rules,” her top came right off.

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  86. on April 16, 2011 at 6:40 pm holdyourbreath

    Heh, I have a similar rule.

    ‘Not pants allowed in the bedroom’.

    Started out as a tease, but girls went for it.

    I really love teasing above panties and clothes, and love it when a girl has one or two pieces of clothing hanging off her body during sex, so all-the-way nude isn’t for me.

    Good plan though.

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  87. on April 16, 2011 at 8:19 pm excaliblack

    I need to implement a rule like this. My room is the most entertaining place in the house anyway.

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  88. on April 16, 2011 at 9:17 pm Anonymous

    Only two things happen in the bedroom and watching TV ain’t one of ’em.

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  89. on April 17, 2011 at 5:29 am Ben Runkle

    @Excaliblack:

    “When I asked for her digits she declined and asked for mine instead. I told her no and i wanted hers. She then proceeded to say that she wanted to make it ‘easier’ for her by having my digits. I told her I wanted to make it easy for me by having hers. She didn’t budge. I just left her standing there and walked away…

    Question, is there a better way to deal with this kind of scenario?”

    This:

    Me-“Hey, Lemme see your phone for a second”
    Her- “Why?” or “What for?”
    Me- vague answer along the lines of “I just want to see something real fast”

    Then take the phone, and call your phone number.

    Boom! Done.

    Various game options are available from there. You can say “I just made stalking me easier for you- you’re welcome” with a smirk. Or don’t even acknowledge that you did it and when she asks you what that was about, say oh nothing. You can also pretend to be surprised and act like someone just called and you answered it on accident, hand the phone back to her and talk to her on the phone with her right next to you pretending that she has the wrong number, or “I told you to stop stalking me, I’m trying to hit on this chick right now!” etc.

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  90. on April 17, 2011 at 5:31 am dan

    well well he went through with it

    google for the vid

    roissy comments?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133668381&page=76

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  91. on April 17, 2011 at 12:22 pm MikeeUSA

    “”While rapists are to blame for their crime and should be strung up by their balls,””

    No. That would be bad for men. If a man rapes a girl virgin who is not espoused, she should be forced to be a bride of his, he should never send her away, he should pay the father some money. And yes, girl, as in not yet a grown woman. Sweet young virgin girl. If you think that men should be punished rather than being given the young girl as his own, then why should any man complain when you are strung up by the anti-men pro-woman’s rights laws you support?

    Death To women’s Rights.
    Viva Men’s Liberties.
    –MikeeUSA–

    Deuteronomy 22 28-29.

    Passage mechanically translated from hebrew:

    [quote]if he-meets man girl(hebrew word here means boy/girl/young) virgin who not being-pledged and-he-forces-her and-he-lies with-her and-they-are-discovered then-he-shall-pay the-man the-one-lying with-her to-father-of the-girl fifty silver and-to-him she-must-be as-wife(hebrew word is:woman) because that he-violated-her not he-can to-divorce-her all-of days-of-him[/quote]

    Word study: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1775059&postcount=2

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  92. on April 17, 2011 at 2:13 pm hurst

    Great post…I think closing game needs to be touched on more (advanced class). One thing I think a lot of dudes underestimate is what I call cock gravity. If you’re packin sometimes just whip it out to push escalation. It is high risk in some situations but it reinforces dominance.

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  93. on April 17, 2011 at 6:09 pm Anonymous

    Finally, from Match.com on Yahoo!…

    “For Guys: A Guiide to Girl Talk”
    http://yahoo.match.com/y/article.aspx?articleid=12001

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  94. on April 17, 2011 at 8:33 pm Paul

    Cute illustration.

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  95. on April 17, 2011 at 10:03 pm white locust

    3 kinds of women in world, and can explain it in the parable of the fruit tree. There is the fruit that is already on the ground, not fit for human consumption, its free for all to enjoy, scavanged with easy.Then there’s the low hanging fruit, often sweet and enjoyable, but overtly ripe soon to fall to the ground but still edible.Then there is the firm barely ripened fruit at the top of the tree. One must climb with great effort with a high risk of fall. But should one fall there is always a bed of the soft rotten fruit to break your fall. Its sweet, its sticky, and its wet. Enjoy the fallen fruit but always seek fruit from the top of the tree.All fruit believes its at the top of the tree, its up you the harvestor who must educate the fallen fruit where it truel lays. For even the rotted fruit, several inches below the surface of the earth believes its at the top tree.

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  96. on April 17, 2011 at 10:08 pm bill boon Can driver

    that dude up top is on the mark

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  97. on April 18, 2011 at 4:52 am Anonymous

    Speaking of bedroom finishing moves, the Instapundit links to a breaking story of a surgeon who was just removed from his post as the editor of a prestigious medical journal because he dared to state that there are chemicals in semen that make women less depressed than otherwise:

    http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Truths-You-Cannot-Utter

    Roosh once wrote a post about how he couldn’t believe how so many young women want unprotected sex. There might be a chemical reason for it.

    But, apart from that interesting scientific discussion, the main story is that the Instapundit wanted to point out is that there is too much politically correctness in the medical field. A famous surgeon is being humiliated for trying to discuss science and human relationships.

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  98. on April 18, 2011 at 11:46 am anonymous

    So what are guys who are not ‘naturally’ dominant in the sense that’s what turns us on… ‘fake it ’til you make it’? I mean there is a certain biological level and/or spectrum of kink (notice the guy above who posted he prefers girls with some clothes on rather than nude… I’m sure this extends out to an entire spectrum of kinks) … You can be alpha all the way to the bedroom, but if your kinks are upper-beta/beta, then what do you do?

    This is a serious question, and I’d prefer to hear realistic answers. The only way I’ve managed to address this so far in my life is in the give and take of LTRs (‘trade off’ in terms of role play, I’ll spare you the details). I guess that’s why I can’t do one night stands…. only LTRs , due to the level of trust and comfort which I require… but I digress.

    Thoughts appreciated on innate ‘beta’ sexual psychology that is , apparently for myself, immutable. Date older women? Special thanks to the prenatal blast of estrogen / BPA for making my love life 300x more difficult.

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  99. on April 18, 2011 at 1:14 pm xsplat

    Anonymous

    You can be alpha all the way to the bedroom, but if your kinks are upper-beta/beta, then what do you do?

    I’m not sure what percentage of men get off on submissive play, but it’s not small. I’m a bit of a switch, myself. I’m about 90% dominant, and sometimes extremely so – even to the point of chocking or face slapping if the girl is into it. Spitting. Name calling. But fucking is like music – just because you CAN pay rock and roll, doesn’t mean you have to ONLY play that.

    I find that most women are also a bit of a switch. Most women really enjoy occasionally being a bit dominant. Ten percent of the time being dominant for a girl puts the man at no risk of losing his dominant status. I’ve never found the slightest hint of losing hand from being sexually submissive. It always came easily to the girls and further cemented the bonds. All around, playing many different sexual roles is not only more fun and more fullfilling, but puts her into your expanded world more. She’ll have a harder time finding a replacement. Some of her fantasies and good memories will be not only about you being the dominant one.

    I’ve always found men to be way too uptight about exploring sex, which I believe makes most of them terrible lovers and fuckers. Boring, uninventive, stiff, afraid, repetitive, unemotional. Bring in the jazz – as long as you are riffing off of each others muse, there are no errors.

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  100. on April 18, 2011 at 1:18 pm xsplat

    My opionions on men’s attitude towards sex is based on what they say, and on what women say about their past boyfriends.

    Many men are too self conscious to scream or make loud noises during sex.

    If you aren’t noisy, you are doing it wrong. Not enough intensity, for one, and for two, voice is a big part of the shared expression – one important way you get in tune with each other and mix.

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  101. on April 18, 2011 at 2:16 pm Ben Runkle

    After reading through that Ya Boy Dave thread (In It’s Entirety), I’ve never been happier that I changed my beta ways.

    Also, not sure how Roissy feels about Copypasta, but I’ve found the definitive difference between betas and alphas:

    White Knighting (definitive beta behavior)-

    Oh heavenly blessed beauty, whose inner beauty is simply diving and everlasting, I would love to be your knight in shining armor. If you want to talk to a good friend, honest, sweet and tender, you can do with me at any moment, I am a good person, kind, loyal and sincere. My friendship that I offer you is clean and transparent. I congratulate to you, because you are very beautiful, your beauty, your charming figure, your pleasant and angelical smile, your personality, your happiness, your charm, your kindness, your beautiful eyes, your lips soft and exquisite, delicate your hands, your legs precious Your beautiful, spectacular and divine body, you have all these qualities and more, you are a wonderful and perfect woman, your gaze is tender and sweet, penetrating my soul. The beauty of a rose has no comparison with the sweetness of your face and the beauty of your heart. I am of the people, I like to have a good relationship with all my friends.

    THE Alpha attitude to have:

    I’m an Alpha male And girls want to fuck alpha males. Let it piss you off as much as you want, but you know it’s completely true. That girl you like who is kinda cute in a weird way, but is totally sweet and you have the biggest crush on? The one who keeps going back to guys who treat her wrong for reasons you don’t understand? The one who calls you up at 1 am to cry about how her boyfriend hasn’t called her in 3 days, and no matter how long you listen to her, she’ll never think of you as anything other than asexual? The one who will curl up next to you on the couch, hug you close, kiss you on the cheek, and never let you fucking touch her beyond that?

    Yeah, I’m fucking her.

    The hot girl who won’t even look at you when you nod at them and smile? The one who laughs when you trip in the hallway and drop your stuff? The one who comes up and coyly asks for your help with her homework, and then pretends you don’t exist once you finish?

    Yeah, I’m fucking her too, even harder.

    The geeky girl you think might be enough like you that you have a chance with her? She plays warcraft on your server, and watches anime, and reads comics? She’s so incredible and you just love her so much but you still haven’t worked up the courage to tell her how you feel about her?

    Guess who just sucked me off and told me they’ll always love me?

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  102. on April 18, 2011 at 3:09 pm Southern Man

    Ben wrote

    Oh heavenly blessed beauty, whose inner beauty is simply diving and everlasting…

    I am so stealing that entire paragraph for some trial online dating profiles. Will let you know if anyone bites.

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  103. on April 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm Ben Runkle

    Hahaha, that’s awesome. Let me know if white knighting actually works

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  104. on April 18, 2011 at 4:29 pm xsplat

    I once begged for sex on a dating website.

    When that didn’t work I wrote up a smart and heartfelt ode to love in my dating profile.

    Or maybe after the ode to love didn’t work I resorted to begging.

    I was a perfect storm of anti-game.

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  105. on April 19, 2011 at 12:48 pm chi-town

    splatty reveals the truth of his assignations. He would like to be man handled a bit more and is disappointed:

    I’ve always found men to be way too uptight about exploring sex, which I believe makes most of them terrible lovers and fuckers. Boring, uninventive, stiff, afraid, repetitive, unemotional. Bring in the jazz – as long as you are riffing off of each others muse, there are no errors.

    aegri somnia.

    My opionions on men’s attitude towards sex is based on what they say, and on what women say about their past boyfriends.

    If you do something so stupid as to imply that you long for more manly thrust, coming of course from your mastery of comprehension, face saving options are:

    A: Ignoring it.
    B. Amplify it with humor aka, “it was from a poor choice of effeminate boys from prison.”

    Instead you demonstrate a perfect simpering response that would dry up the lake of Victoria’s desire.

    This from someone who claims to read between the lines…

    You are most welcome in my court that always enjoys the folly of a clown…LMAO

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  106. on April 19, 2011 at 1:23 pm xsplat

    Chi – what’s your purpose? Pure hate?

    You’re welcome to it.

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  107. on April 20, 2011 at 3:53 am Gorbachev

    Bedroom behavior.

    Fuck properly.

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  108. on April 20, 2011 at 3:58 am Audrey

    Splat

    I’m about 90% dominant, and sometimes extremely so – even to the point of chocking or face slapping if the girl is into it. Spitting. Name calling.

    Im liking the irony here, of “extremely so, even to the point of…” followed by completely run of the mill normal things for non wimpy guys to do in bed. I mean really? Who hasnt choked a girl or slapped her a bit, unless they’re a latent cuck fetishizer haha.

    In other news some of my friends are extremely, extremely tall, a few of them are even five eleven!! lol

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  109. on April 20, 2011 at 4:38 am xsplat

    Oh, puhhhlleeeeeaaaaze, Audrey.

    Completely run of the mill. Not extremely dominant.

    I don’t even think you know what a point is. Are you trying to make one? Do you honestly believe you are making some sort of point?

    Even if choking was common, which it isn’t, it would still be extremely dominant behavior.

    It doesn’t matter how uncommon the behavior is. Common or uncommon is not related to the dominant or not dominant.

    I know that you have no natural feel for logic, but your desire for internet debating points makes you say really dumb worthless shit.

    You’re an annoying dingbat.

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  110. on April 20, 2011 at 4:41 pm chi-town

    @xsplat

    No dummy, you decided to ride with a depleted sack, straying into my reservations over fuck heads who decide to make a bit of a personal comment. Since I know I never do that, I make fuck toys out of those who do. I simply demonstrated with wondrous ease how you moisten up for the fun guys who enjoy you.

    Stick to the facts without your personal “embellishments” before taking up my posts.

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  111. on April 21, 2011 at 12:58 am xsplat

    Stick to the facts without your personal “embellishments” before taking up my posts.Stick to the facts without your personal “embellishments” before taking up my posts.

    No.

    Your personal attacks make you look like the idiot you are. Go for broke.

    I’ll comment on your posts as I see fit.

    I see you as a white knight beta boy purity loving virginity freak.

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  112. on April 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm chi-town

    Can you post one thing with out making a mistake? Most people make errors in punctuation or spelling here and there but every fucking time?

    I think am seeing double size, Tijuana John. Must be fatigue from my imaginings of the plus sized prostitute who works for food and pretends to be your girlfriend.

    I’ll comment on your posts as I see fit.

    Maybe you are just too inexperienced seeing fit? You see so much fat and slutty.

    I see you as a white knight beta boy purity loving virginity freak.

    I get it, you like to generously sublet your rental. You cannot afford to buy another taco. You like something other men are done with. I got it already.

    I think they call it “break in”, and I am not interested, thanks; going broke is when her manager taps you on the shoulder and politely asks for you to pay again.

    Next time, please rhyme two words together or something. You are like 10 knock knock jokes in a row.

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