In this post, it was revealed that a lot of women, the majority in fact, have erotic, and *sincere*, rape fantasies. Despite the claim made by feminists that fantasy is wholly different and disconnected from reality — an empty assertion easily explained by feminists’ need to handwave away any disturbing look into the female psyche — the more truthful explanation is that fantasy is a reflection of reality and hints at some deep, immutable desire. If feminists are correct that fantasy is different from reality, we would hear of women fantasizing about tender lovemaking with cubicle-dwelling beta herbs. But that is not the case.
The scientific evidence presents soul-shaking implications: many women harbor a secret desire to experience rape under the right conditions. What those specific conditions are will vary from woman to woman, (typically, an alpha male is involved), but the fundamental act of rape itself — nonconsensual and forceful — appears to be a turn-on for the majority of women. As the study showed, in their rape fantasies women were really refusing the man sex. It was not a token no. That was the basis for the fantasy. The pleasure comes from being overwhelmed by a man who pushes his way past her nonconsensuality. I know, it’s hard to believe, but there it is.
Women don’t like to admit to this little factoid about the inner workings of their ids, because they worry that the dissemination of such knowledge would hinder the prime directive to extract as much princessifying pedestalization from awed men as they can manage. Just as relevant: most women aren’t even consciously aware, nor do they spend much time thinking about, what exactly it is that motivates their sexual desire. They prefer, instead, to swaddle themselves in a cloak of pretty lies, for the best deceptions begin with self-deception.
Rape fantasies provide a shocking look into the craggiest crevices of women’s brains and what they truly desire when it’s just them and their private thoughts. What does this mean for the average well-meaning beta male, (who let it be known comprises the majority of male-dom)? Well, for one, perhaps a lot more betas would do better with women if they were more assertive about physically pushing for sex.
Before the IQ-compromised cunt-brigade and their thimble-phallused uptight white knighters storm in to shriek like menstruating banshees, it should be obvious to any person reading in good faith that being more assertive about physically pushing for sex does not mean rape. It is possible to push for sex, physically or otherwise, without crossing any non-consensual lines. Anyone who’s lived a day in his or her life knows that seductive escalation of the kind that women love will often blur the distinction between formal consent (sign here, here and here to proceed further down my panty line) and wary surrender (no, no, noooo…. yeeeeees).
Rape fantasies tell us that women want to surrender sexually to a man of tenacious and powerful will. Women crave the feeling of “being taken”, and no cautious beta asking politely if he may peer down her blouse or apologizing when she coyly reprimands him for sliding his hand under her bra during a make-out is going to hit that “being taken” button.
There are two ways to fuck up the fuck close: you can seem too eager, or you can seem too tentative. Most men, despite what women’s studies dyke professors tell you, fall into the latter category. They don’t push for sex early enough, or forcefully enough. Any token resistance by the girl is immediately capitulated to, and any move to up the ante is a humiliating exercise in trepidation and apologia.
In sum, the problem betas have is that they TAKE WOMEN’S SYMBOLIC RESISTANCE AT FACE VALUE.
Of course that is going to be a tingle killer.
Instead, betas need to do more of these:
– going for the kiss unannounced.
– issuing bedroom commands.
– never waiting for obvious signals.
– always escalating (but remember: two steps forward, one step back) to more nudity, more touching, and more erotic touching.
– not taking the first “no” for an answer. (Wait until the fifth or sixth “no”, and only then if the “no” is uttered with an unmistakeable tone of genuine recalcitrance.)
– moving seemlessly from bar to bedroom.
– never apologizing for miscues or misreadings of her acquiescence.
– initiating sex in unlikely places.
– getting comfortable with spanking, hair pulling and gentle neck choking.
– reappraising their date evaluation process so that a fingerbang rather than a peck on the cheek becomes the marker of a successful first date ending with a girl who didn’t want to go all the way right away.
– putting it in without the condom. (As Roosh has correctly noted, most women nowadays are more than willing to raw dog a new man after two dates. Likely this has to do with the emerging scientific evidence that absorbed semen boosts a girl’s mood.)
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This is just a partial list. There are many more overly-cautious missteps that gelded betas commit which sabotage the trajectory of their stillborn seductions.
Now some of you may be asking, “Hey, what about that line Mystery advocated using? The one that goes ‘Would you like to kiss me?’, and if she says no you are supposed to reply ‘I didn’t say you *could*… you just had that look on your face.’ Isn’t that in contradiction to what you wrote above?”
It’s a clever little routine, and will probably work in most situations, but I have found through experience that it’s totally unnecessary. If you are winning a girl over with your game, you can silently go for the kiss without any warm-up or witty fanfare. I have rarely had a girl refuse a bold, unspoken kiss move.
Some others may then ask “What if she turns and gives me the cheek?”
Hey, it’s been known to happen, usually to guys who sloppily telegraphed their horniness, and thus their lower value. If you get her cheek, simply IGNORE IT. Proceed as if nothing happened, and reengage for the kiss later in the date. Under no circumstance should you acknowledge her cheek turn. Do not ironically mutter “Aww, shucks”, or make light of it with a flippant “That was awkward”, or crudely laugh it off with a “So that’s how it’s gonna be?”. Just move on like you hadn’t even tried to kiss her.
Any acknowledgement by you of her coyness, whether she delivers it in cheek turn form or some other false modesty-amplifying manifestation, will be received by her id central command as evidence that she is higher value than you. That is a side effect of female coyness, besides its primary function as a signal of purity.
Maxim #99: Female coyness is a purity signaler as well as an ego-boosting mechanism designed to reaffirm a woman’s sexual market value at the expense of lowering the man’s sexual market value.
Corollary to Maxim #99: Female coyness serves a secondary benefit as an anti-game strategy to make a high value man seem more attainable to a lower value woman, or to offer low value women plausible deniability for failing to attract the interest of high value men.
Letting her know that her coyness affected you is a major surrender of dating hand. Once a girl has successfully thwarted a kiss or sex attempt, and more importantly gotten recognition of her thwarting from you, she has hand. She starts to think that you are not worth her company, or she silently muses that she can do better, because you want it more than she does.
You do not want a girl to have hand if sex within this century is your goal. One of the golden rules of seduction is that half of the battle of bedding hot girls (hot is the operative word here) is lowering their value, and, yes, their self-esteem, below yours.
Maxim #100: The urgency and strength of a woman’s desire for a man is directly proportional to the degree to which he is perceived higher in value than her.
If you absolutely must say something after getting a cheek turn, there is one line you can say to a girl which works well:
“Aw, how cute. It’s like we’re twelve-years-old again.”
The beauty of this line is in the subtext: you are insinuating she is not sophisticated enough to handle her out-of-control emotions around you. Also, by using the word “we’re” instead of “you’re”, you avoid sounding accusatory. Girls like it when you pretend to non-judgementalism.

And the lessons for betas is: don’t act like a beta 😉
Also, read some evolutionary psychology, because most societal education is brainwashing.
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I’ve always taken a cheek-turn or a “No” to the mystery question as an indication that I’ve blown the pick-up.
I take it as a queue to cut my losses and open another set.
Perhaps I should re-evaluate and neanderthal my game up a bit.
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Maxim & Corollary to #99 is right on the money.
Being more aloof than they are coy is often a big ingredient to success.
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Too far.
[Editor: Too long.]
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Hollywood has Beta-fied even Russell Crowe!
The Robin Hood 2010 is so culturally anachronistic it had me squirming.
Marion Loxley was totally butched out. Gag.
But the worst was the Beta phrase:”I love you.” Robin to Marion at which point she’d done absolutely nothing to demonstrate her value.
Quite the reverse: her prime years are gone and she lacks any femininity.
All in all, it’s poison for young lovers; everything’s backwards!
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half of the battle of bedding hot girls (hot is the operative word here) is lowering their value, and, yes, their self-esteem, below yours.
One thing to remember is that you aren’t likely going to actually lower a hot girl’s self esteem unless she is truly emotionally fragile. You are just reminding her that her mate value isn’t all that.
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A couple articles from Arts and Letters Daily:
Dump on anti-misandrists:
http://www.observer.com/print/141414
Hey, the manosphere/gameosphere has lots of losers, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot of truth to what they say.
It’s true, deep down most religions are patriarchal:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/religion-lies-about-women/2011/04/13/AFDS9mXD_blog.html
This is actually a good thing though.
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“Poison for young lovers”
Thus spake Malthustra about the nevermensch.
Its by design, if you ask me.
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You either aren’t trying or you don’t hugely outvalue the girl in some respect.
It’s not difficult for me to make any woman feel relatively stupid. Or if she’s a genius, it’s not difficult to make her feel uncomfortably naiive and unworldly. Usually the tenor tone and mood is convivial, but the piquante hot sauce that gets dashed around are hints that the girl could not possibly compete with me.
Whatever the girls value, I can make her feel pretty low, when I like. Just little doses of flavor here and there. Even tales from my wandering entrepreneurial life will make her feel like a coconut grove bumpkin no nothing.
A guy ought to be able to have some ways he can genuinely assess his value and hint at it that show up the girl as relatively insignificant.
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Even if she’s a super hottie, she can stumble across pics of your other girls and learn about the ways the other girls out-did her. Some of those may be more super hot – but they don’t have to be. You could mention sexual chemistry.
Making girls small is EASY. They are a bundle of weak points.
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Three reasons women have rape fantasies of varying degrees:
– A man who forcefully takes her is an alpha animal who bashes through rules of courtship and civilized behavior, an ultimate expression of masculinity that gets the primal female core aroused.
– He desires her so intensely that he risks doing the above.
– it relieves her of the decision making process (slut worrying, pain in the ass shit tests), and her hamster gets a well needed rest.
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Have any women on this site come out and admitted the rape “fantasy” thing, or has it been mostly shrieking denial?
Just curious…
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Unfortunately some of this is not going to turn out well. Some yokel is going to not just screw up a neg by telling her a true insult like she smells like grandma’s armpits, but will also rape someone. This is going to be very dangerous for idiots.
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One girl offered to model some dress for me in her apartment – 2nd date. She was hot and I misunderstood, so I followed her into her walk in closet and physically undressed her. My beta brain later screamed out that I had screwed the pooch by being so aggressive, not realizing that I sort of hooked her with that move.
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The whole mystery method, would you like to kiss me thing recounted in the Game always seemed to be more of a mental crutch for AFC’s to get over their shyness.
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blah blah blah.
Bullshit.
When a woman really says no, she does so in a way even an idiot can unequivocably understand.
We used to fuck before there was language. Don’t underestimate females. The difference between outraged coyness and fear and anger is not subtle, and a woman knows how to escalate until there is no room for misunderstanding.
The reason people want this subject to remain taboo is not to protect women from rape. J’acuse! The reason, Mr. Knight, is to prevent other men from getting the sexual upper hand. You’d prefer to keep playing up the beta card.
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For me, kissing is near the last stage of seduction. I’m just as likely to be fucking a girl before ever kissing her. I work more with my hands.
I understand that will not be comprehensible to many, as for many kissing is highly erotic and the first stage of intimacy. But it’s true, you can do completely without it without any hampering to seduction.
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“Any acknowledgement by you of her coyness, whether she delivers it in cheek turn form or some other false modesty-amplifying manifestation, will be received by her id central command as evidence that she is higher value than you. That is a side effect of female coyness, besides its primary function as a signal of purity.
Maxim #99: Female coyness is a purity signaler as well as an ego-boosting mechanism designed to reaffirm a woman’s sexual market value at the expense of lowering the man’s sexual market value.”
I really liked the post but the above is unnecessarily dark and rationalistic, as if we live outside of ourselves and must be ‘on guard’ against people thinking the wrong things about us, and be very careful to project the ‘correct’ aspects of ourselves. And it supposes that women operate based on some rational notion of “value” where if you “fail” you were obviously less “valuable” and she was more valuable than you, etc.
In short it is a bit thinkey and off-centered, like you’re trying to ‘get at’ something that isn’t yours.
The truth is simple: women will relax themselves, their defences – their rationality – in the presence of loving authority. If that authority is surrendered by the man – if doubt or fear drive him to become stuck/attached to some imaginary concept like apologizing, trying to impress her, chasing her favour, or by acknowledging the awkwardness – then the woman can no longer relax, because the authority has gone (it has preoccupied itself with the past; though she can’t quite know that.)
This doesn’t convey anything to women about your value or your worth. It actually doesn’t tell her any information at all, except that the feeling is gone… and that is because darkness is not real (it exists only in the imagination).
The happy and natural corollary here is the untenebility of fear.
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Just remember no can often be no, or not right now. A no is more often an indication that your game is flagging, or that your negs hurt more than they helped.
Remember, girls are also aware that most any man, no matter how fugly, beta, omega, or herbly, could overpower them, and will get genuinely frightened if one corners her.
Be aware, and beware. Prison is an unpleasant place where far worse kinds of rapes happen pretty regularly.
The only girls I knew who liked being “overpowered” were ones i’d been seeing for a while, and who knew their big strong alpha wouldn’t even bother to fight a girl (for one thing, there’s usually a good supply of 7-9 pters out there).
So yeah, tickle, spank, pull, tug, pick her tiny body up naked and pin her ankles to her ears. But listen for any genuine bad hamster squealing and back off if she freaks. Nothing will trash your rep (or ruin your life) like a rape conviction.
[Editor: Folks, this post isn’t about rape. Before the dummy trolls come out of the woodwork, let’s keep in mind that the post is a call to betas to be more assertive in going for the f close. Assertiveness is not the same thing as forcible rape.]
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” Well, for one, perhaps a lot more betas would do better with women if they were more assertive about physically pushing for sex.”
The simple fact is that the erotic tension of sex is not possible unless the girl resists the man.
Sex is made that much better when she puts up some resistance.
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Down a winding pathway in a garden old tripped a beauteous maiden. But her heart was cold.
Came a prince to woo her. Said he loved her true. Maiden said he didn’t, so he ceased to woo.
Came a perfumed noble. Dropping on one knee, said his love was deeper than the deepest sea. But the winsome maiden said his love was dead. And the perfumed noble accepted what she said.
Came a dashing stranger. Took her off by force. Said he’d make her love him. And she did. Of course.
– from ‘Might is Right’ by Ragnar Redbeard. 1890. Yes, Eighteen-ninety. 121 years ago.
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i’d just be wary of the STIs, especially by putting it into a girl who easily relents if you pressure into having sex without a condom. herpes is only treatable, not curable, let’s remember.
[Editor: Pressure? Men don’t have to pressure women for condom-free sex. The women are all too happy to oblige!]
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If I had to know only one seduction skill, it would be escalation.
The concept of escalation is simple. You go briefly PAST a womans boundaries, then back off further than you really have to, then engage again, all the while slowly escalating.
The NO! Stop! means you have gone past her boundaries. This means you are doing it right. So you back off, then re-engage, then again go past her boundaries.
It doesn’t matter how many times she says no. If she doesn’t get up and put her clothes on, as long as you keep backing off and then re-escalating, you are good to go. No crime.
Yes, you can even play “trust me, just the tip” legally. Just make sure that her eyes are rolled up in the back of her head and her body language leaves no room for doubt. Don’t just plunge right in there with surprise sex. Play around and wait for her to thrust up invitingly. You want her to give up and aquiesce, but up until she does, your job is to get her turned on, despite herself. Until she can’t control her urges any more.
Then fuck her right. If you can’t fuck her right, then don’t bother with with kind of escalation, I guess, because ya, you’ll probably just piss her off. Not from pushing, but from frustrating her.
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Re Roosh’s observation on concomless sex: my observation is that girls push for it after you’ve already had sex once. The first time, most will at least make a token suggestion to use a condom – if for no other reason than to preserve appearances.
But after that, they start pushing for the raw deal.
[Editor: That’s my experience as well. Women enjoy condomless sex as much as men do. And now some studies are showing that a warm blast of jizz inside a vajine is just the medicine for chasing away those girly blues.]
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Indeed, but for those of us that aren’t gelded–I mean ‘snipped’–condomless sex does present some genuine worries, especially since the girls most likely to push for it are ones that aren’t quasi-neutered by hormonal birth control.
Problematic.
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I’m convinced that excessive use of condoms is giving us the porcine cohort that trolls the bars these days.
Semen is an anti-depressant for the XX pure and simple.
The whole notion of a honeymoon is to establish XX ‘drug dependency’ for X and Y swimmers.
The loss of such satisfaction is one of the factors in postpartum depression: the baby is out so birth hormones are shut down — yet the vagina is in recovery from moving day.
The woman still needs her dose.
Have a heart!
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Let’s reiterate the results of the study. Let’s assume the statistics are talking about 1000 women (they’re not, but let’s extrapolate as the scientific method is wont to do.)
Of these 1000, 620 have had a mental imagining of rape. Of these 620, 310 will have imagined it at least less than four times a year.
56 of 620 will experience these imaginings as completely unpleasant; they’re also more likely to have been previously raped.
Only 140 women imagine rape at least once a week. These 140 imagine it as about 50% of their sexual fantasy content.
286 women imagine rape in a a mixed feelings way. 279 experience rape mentally and fantasise in a completely erotic and pleasant sense.
This means 565 of the original 1000 experience mental imaginings of rape as pleasant on any level, a narrow majority.
This is given the background of a rape fantasy being an infrequent one for most of these women.
The frequency of this finding in women also isn’t scientifically ‘proven’ until its reproduced a few times in different settings by the way.
However, it does strongly break the psychological barriers in that dominance is in itself sexually attractive to women. Rape is an extreme expression of dominance, but lighter versions should be safer for both you and your partner(s).
I strongly urge you to read the study in full:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_46/ai_n32406391/?tag=content;col1
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Robbie Williams responds to being denied a kiss:
“That was the best non-kiss I’ve ever had.”
See here at 2:37:
Granted, Robbie is an internationally known Silver Back so maybe it’s not the best line for us garden-variety alphas.
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Lots of women will argue against the idea that they are aroused by mental images of rape, for a variety of reasons, but none of them that I have seen or heard of will even try to convince you that they are aroused by mental images of fawning niceness.
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i just found this website. fucking amazing. for i was blind, but now i see.
what should i do if i’m 21, never kissed a girl or had a girlfriend?
how to get started? should i just get a hooker or what?
how to become charismatic man?
[Editor: Don’t get a hooker. It will stain your psyche. Better to grind at it with game for six months before hitting gold than to pay for it for ten minutes with a woman who doesn’t really want to be there.
Hookers are for men already capable of getting it for free.]
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xsplat
That’s really well explained xsplat.
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Great post. All true. Here’s two points for discussion:
“”If you get her cheek, simply IGNORE IT. Proceed as if nothing happened, and reengage for the kiss later in the date. Under no circumstance should you acknowledge her cheek turn. Do not ironically mutter “Aww, shucks”, or make light of it with a flippant “That was awkward”, or crudely laugh it off with a “So that’s how it’s gonna be?”. Just move on like you hadn’t even tried to kiss her.””
This is the one area I tend to fall short.
The girl I’m seeing in her public persona is very shy, coy and sweet.
But privately when I’m dominant, she gets wet immediately and is into everything.
She’s into being raw dogged “As long as you don’t come”…
She loves doggie and all the rest I do.
But despite this alpha behaviour, at times she turns her head. It’s part of her game.
I find myself reacting by laughing or somehow acknowledging it.
It’s taken will power to do the Clark Gable and physically turn her head back and say “Shut up and kiss me….”
When I do that…it seems to be a good response.
But yah, NOT acknowledging the head turn needs work and practice.
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Chateau–
Condom free sex where she says she’s on other BC is one thing with a 22 yo SWPL first year agnostic/atheist law student at a top school while you’re making about what she can expect to two years out of her law school. She’ll be telling the truth and if something goes wrong she’ll get an abortion.
It’s something else if you’re shagging a hot 29 yo religious Catholic elementary school teacher while you’re making middle six figures, and she’s gaga for you. Then you need a signed statement from her doctor that she’s on some non forgettable form of bc, like an IUD.
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Anonymous
Learn game. Here’re suggestions where to start, made to a guy who asked the same question yesterday or the day before at Rivelino’s blog:
http://alpharivelino.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/game-for-beginners/
and this is a start as to what to look for in your reading, or a kind of structure for it:
http://alpharivelino.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/doug-on-key-game-concepts/
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Anonymous game noob–
Two basic target sets of girls TO BEGIN WITH.
5’s or even 4’s. Work your way up.
Cougars who’ve kept themselves slim and relatively attractive. I’m thinking mid to late 30s type cougars for you.
I’ve got an earlier comment on things to read to get you started in game, that’s in moderation.
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good blog going on here. Just arrived yesterday but this is pure gold!
I wanted to point you to the ancient meaning of alpha & beta.
alpha originates from ‘aleph’ & means : OX & is depicted as an ox.
beta originates from ‘beth’ and means ‘house’ in phoenician
Ox sounded nice. I’m sad to inform you that aleph means literally ‘tamed’ or ‘pet’ in modern arabic… maybe some ancient, forgotten women emancipation you have there…
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There are two kinds of situations in which a girl is saying no initially to full sex, or the next step in that escalation.
One is where her hindbrain is saying yes, she’s feeling a lot of attraction, but her forebrain is saying no. She doesn’t want to seem a slut to you; she thinks she’s got a better shot at a relationship if she holds out longer; she’s got a boyfriend but is still mad attracted; she doesn’t want her gf’s to think she’s a slut. Etc.
The other is where both her forebrain and hindbrain are saying no. She hasn’t shown IOI’s worth squat. This is clear no go territory to sexual escalation and aggression. Walk away. Or do the early parts of game for longer. Also if you can’t read female IOI’s worth squat, walk away from a clear no.
In the first case though, this post is dead on. You’ve still got to have her forebrain stop saying and otherwise acting no eventually. But if her forebrain just gives up to her hindbrain, and stays shut after awhile while she’s sexually responding, and or her no’s are moaned no’s while sexually responding, then yeah, it’s on. If her sexual response is she’s just lying there, and she’s saying no, if you can’t get her hotter than that, not on.
However in this misandrous feminist environment, if she has after the fact regrets for various reasons mostly of the sort that had her forebrain initially blocking a yes while her hindbrain wanted it, then lie if she reports a campus or criminal rape case and say she was moaning yes before you penetrated her, or otherwise took things to the next level (today’s sexual assault) after the first no.
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Similar to the fact women try to appear chaste and timid while harboring rape fantasies is the oft-recognized truth that lesbians love penetration with dildos.
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Walawala–
It’s different when you’ve already shagged her, especially a bunch of times.
I think you’re doing about right. Ignoring it is an option too, but the Clark Gable thing is good too.
What she’s doing is instinctually/culturally being coy, getting you to chase her. Treat it as that. I’d say vary your response. Sometimes go dominant / chasing (in this context). Sometimes go aloof. Lose interest. Make her chase you.
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Was out with a girl last night, told me she had a boyfriend however as it escalated throughout the night we were eventually making out then she suddenly states “I have to go home”.
I thought what a cock-tease so went to just move it to the back seat of my car. She seemed like she was acting a part of a movie with the whole what have I done routine and still wanted to go so I figured I’d cut my losses.
Drove her back then she wanted to make out again in the car saying “can I kiss you again” which I refused because it was annoying. Then she got out and I drove off.
What should I have done differently early on when she did the whole “I need to go home, my morals have been corrupted” routine.
Thanks.
[Editor: Were you in a position where you *had* to drive her home? If not, you shouldn’t have driven her home. She didn’t deserve that courtesy.
Generally, when girls pull that shit, you want to ignore it at first, and then if it’s repeated, agree with her.
“I have to go home.”
“Yeah, you’d better. I’m surprised you’re even out this late.”
Or
“Your mom checking up on you?”
Otherwise, just nod and say “see ya”. Leave the car and go back to the bar, or wherever you were.
Another option is to just say “ok” every time she brings it up, and you may be able to make her forget all about going home. Unless it’s your place.]
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– getting comfortable with spanking, hair pulling and gentle neck choking
hair pulling is hard.MY experience involves either losing the momentum to focus on the strength of the pulling or doing it badly.
So I stoped with it. And lived happily thereafter.
[Editor: Hair pulling might have been the wrong term of art. It’s more like holding the reins of her hair. If you want her to fuck harder, just give her a swift kick in her flank with your spurs.]
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The Robin Williams video is the kind of stuff that keeps me coming to this blog.
[Editor: That’s my experience as well. Women enjoy condomless sex as much as men do. And now some studies are showing that a warm blast of jizz inside a vajine is just the medicine for chasing away those girly blues.
Not my experience. Girls seem unable to notice the condom. But the stuff about girls getting happy because of jizz inside themselves is another gem. COuldn’t it be the same as of men who get happier the more they have sex?
[Editor: It’s not the physical aspect of condomless sex that fills (heh) them with joy; it’s the psychological. Although I have heard from a few girls that they can feel the difference.]
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Bhetti–
The large majority of the girls I’ve been with, with whom I’ve talked about this (quite a few), have had positive rape fantasies. But you have to understand I was encouraging in this sort of revelation. Thought it hot. I guess that could cause “over reporting”. But I think it more caused true uninhibited reporting.
They always involved what amounted to alpha guys if it was a positive fantasy. They almost always involved guys who in their fantasy they knew beforehand. There was some large social barrier to having sex but they were attracted to the guy. Forebrain versus hindbrain kind of thing. Hindbrain winning without responsibility to the forebrain was the fantasy, in essence.
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Drove her back then
Do
not
drive
them
home
A friend once kissed a girl in a party but was too drunk to remember how hot she was. So they set up a date the following day and he went to get her at her home (a 40 minute drive). And he saw that she was hideously ugly.
He drove another 40 minutes to a bar. He asked her to get out of the car to get a table while he would find a place to park the park. He went home.
Tough, but necessary.
A good thing about smartphones is the possibility of adding each other in facebook during the night, so you can see next day how she looks like.
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[Editor: It’s not the physical aspect of condomless sex that fills (heh) them with joy; it’s the psychological. Although I have heard from a few girls that they can feel the difference.
true! Psychological aspects matter more than physical ones.
But how many cocks a girl must take before becoming able to see the difference?? I was a legend in school because at 17 I was already able to notice the difference between JOhnny Walker Red and Black labels, and also their difference with ballantine’s
[Editor: Haven’t had ballantines, but JW black tastes noticeably smoother than red. Red is for mixing only. Have you tried the blue? Really good stuff. You’ll feel like a hedge fundie after drinking it.]
But it took me three days every week of whisky “degustation”
[Yeah, it’s probably the sluttier girls who can tell the difference. Or maybe some girls are super sensitive in the vaginal region.
And isn’t vagina a funny word? Yes it is.]
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Be like Cartman…
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Doug:
That’s the pure erotic variation. It is the classical description of the erotic and hot rape fantasy.
It could be pure selection bias in that you select the girls that find it hot, both because they’re attracted to your style and the qualities you look for in them. Also, there’s been some shift over time, isn’t there, where girls are more likely to exhibit consent these days and not find so many reasons to put up token resistance?
What does ‘quite a few’ mean? The real number ;p I can wait the requisite days it might take you to count and remember.
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Not only do women have rape fantasies, but women who are victims of rape orgasm during rape at a higher rate than normal intercourse.
Why the fantasies and orgasm ????
Evolution. We are all descendants of men who raped and women who were rape victims, enjoyed it physically (i.e. had an orgasm)…. and became pregnant from it. (Science also shows that orgasm increases the chance of pregnancy – the quivering of the vagina at orgasm moves the sperm along).
This is why rape is present in ALL human societies -ancient and modern, religious and secular, patriarchal or feminist.
Rapists have an evolutionary advantage. Females are selective with whom they mate. Figuring out the key to sex has always been a challenge. Man has always needed “game”.
But, game is time consuming. In an environment where food is scarce, large predators are about, and life nasty brutish and short, rape gains an evolutionary edge. Intercourse and conception can happen without the male needing to waste precious time and resources figuring out the key to the lock.
Hence the propagation of rapist genes.
What have all armies – both ancient and modern – done as part of invasion – in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Africa, North America.
Rape. its evolutionarily efficient.
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Agreed, red is for mixing. Having tasted them all, the best for me is Gold Label. The best taste of them all. The Green is the worst of the family.
At least here, Johnny Walker Blue costs the same as Royal Salute, which I find much better. I am still on the phase of drinking to get drunk, so I usually stay with Red or Black. Those older whiskies usually require a more quiet environment and the company of more mature friends.
[Editor: Pass me my ascot and pipe. And a fat, farting hound to fetch my slippers.
But on a serious cultural note, I’ve noticed that scotch and bourbon drinking is becoming more prevalent among the “drink to get drunk” crowd. Not sure what it means. Maybe nothing, or maybe wimpy hipsters are trying to recapture the trappings of masculinity, however superficial. Funny how it’s happening during a down economy.]
The problem is that the older they get, the stronger they are and the better they taste. So the risk of getting too drunk increases a lot. There is a club here in which whenever you pay for a table they serve Green Label. I always ask for a Black instead, because the Green is much stronger. Paying the Green price.
[Kids these days. Getting drunk fast in bars for a relatively low price is best done with hard liquor. A $10 jw black, two rocks, is probably the equivalent of two or three $7 pints of good beer, or five pints of crappy coors light. Getting drunk fast and cheap at house parties is best done with red wine. (Wine by the glass is hilariously overpriced in bars and restaurants.) Just be prepared for the hangover. Red wine headaches are the worst.]
Sidenote, I think that Jack Daniels is much better value than Black Label.
[In taste or speed-to-drunkenness? I don’t think I’ve had jack without coke.]
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Once the right buttons are pushed and a girl is down for sex raw dogging is implicitly part of the evening menu. In fact, bringing something as logical as “protection” into the mix can be a mood killer. It’s like flipping on the lights in a movie theater. Girls want to stay in their aroused trance, void of any responsibility for their actions to follow.
If a girl “insists” on using protection, it speaks more to her perception of/hopes for you than her standard behaviors. It’s a giveaway that she’d like to be in a relationship with you, and is an attempt to maintain appearances (as commented before). These same girls won’t bother putting up this front for the unattainable bad boys that plow them, the pretense is reserved for realistic candidates for boyfriend status. In fact, chances are you’re likely a greater beta/lesser alpha if you’re consistently asked to wrap up.
WITHOUT EXCEPTION, every girl I’ve known who said she ALWAYS had protected sex was willingly raw dogged much earlier than anticipated … until I started anticipating it.
Even more hilarious, after dating a few of them (greater beta/lesser alpha raising my hand!), then breaking up with them and redeeming some “free refills” down the road it was always raw, no questions asked. Pretenses lay crumpled on the floor w/ their panties.
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My latest thing has told me that on nights when she’s working late and she’s getting in her car, she fantasizes that I come up behind her, cut her skirt open with a knife, and ‘take’ her from behind. So yeah, it’s real. She also likes it rough in bed.
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Red wine gets me sleepy, and I have never seen anyone drinking it in bars/clubs. Wine is for getting girls drunk when you are alone with them. In bar/clubs, girls go for Vodka and Champagne. But vodka requires some juice to mix so girls are not forced to see the true color of it.
Another sidenote, most people do not understand the national drink of Brazil, caipirinha. It involves mixing lemon, vodka or cachaça, sugar and ice. The whole idea about it is putting enough sugar so girls won’t notice how much vodka you put in. The sugar is a sinister ploy by men to cheat on women about how much alcohol they are drinking.
About beer x whisky, there is an ongoing debate about which one is more fattening, and I tend to side with those who think beer is the way to obesity. Another problem is that beer requires you to go to the bathroom earlier (per dose of alcohol), and once you gop for the first time, you will go at ever shortening intervals… Boys need to spend half of the party in the bathroom line to learn how bad it is to overdrink.
To get drunk and happy, go for Red Label and Red Bull. Jack Daniels is a much better drink with an actual taste. And some terroir… Jack is a more serious drink that I have never mixed with anything but ice. Or at least that I remember.
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I had a G Manifesto moment when I learned that “whisky with ice”in Spanish is said “a la roca” (“with rocks”)
The first time I said “Rrrred a la roca” I gave a toast to G Manifesto
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Awesome post – I never looked at it that way.
Could you elaborate more on the “two steps forward one step back” method and how to possibly perfect it? I think I lack the self-discipline for it.
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If you are uncut and go from condom to raw, she WILL notice the difference.
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Lol, I know this. Those “romance” novels involve some chick getting raped.
Question:
Tattoo on a girl’s back (tramp-stamp), bad LTR material, right?
[Editor: That’d be the way to bet. Tramp stamps are hot and sexy, no doubt, but as you’re doing her from behind just imagine all the other guys admiring her tat as they pumped her. It’s the best cure for blowing a fat wad of money on an engagement ring.]
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Bhetti–
Thousands. No maybe hundreds of thousands. Hell how you expect me to keep it straight? My slut?
Kiss my lovely good good girl!
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“When a woman really says no, she does so in a way even an idiot can unequivocably understand.”
Hey xsplat,
You really have a much higher opinion of idiots than I do. Do you have any fucking idea why some people are in prison? They are mind bogglingly stupid, and given some of the ways people apply “game”, its going to happen. Its shocking, I know, that someone can be even more stupid than you are.
“The reason people want this subject to remain taboo is not to protect women from rape. J’acuse! The reason, Mr. Knight, is to prevent other men from getting the sexual upper hand. You’d prefer to keep playing up the beta card.
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I made a simple statement that there are morons in this world who cannot correctly apply game. You again demonstrate no comprehension but just pull whatever meaning that comes from “sexual upper hand” and seize messages open fisted from your bowel.
“Mr Knight”, “beta card” ?Looks to me that your blockage was from cliches rolled in an upper bottle.
Never implied anywhere I wanted this suppressed but then, as I have already surmised, you are barely literate colon phrenologist with a cramp.
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Was with you right up until this. STIs are no fucking joke, and waaaay too common to rawdog it with some girl whose sexual history you’re unfamiliar with.
There is no shame in wrapping up your tool. End of story.
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Which of course sheds light on why thugs rule. But let’s take a closer look, because it’s not always about brutish strength radiating from a testosterone-infused he-hunk. In one sense, it has less to do with what women see as attractive in a man than it has to do with childish fear and the pedestalization that ultimately absolves women from the need to grow up. Let me explain.
The other side of the equation is the female inferiority complex. This is the inferiority complex that presumes that there is something deficient in a man if he considers her “worthy”. The presumption being that if he treats her rough, he must be above her in the pecking order, while if he treats her well, he obviously does not see her for what she really is. In this light, even a sub-human, limping idiot can win the day, for no reason other than he subscribes to her presumption “he hates me… he must see me for what I am. He must have something that I want.” In other words, a woman that submits to the thug is impressed by violence, not by kindness or strength. Expressing it a different way – she is inspired, in her self-hatred, to be impressed by those who also hate her.
More specifically, at a deeper, fundamental level, women know that they do not have what it takes to meet up to the expectations of men. At a deep level, they are ever-aware that their beauty is fragile, and its superficiality conceals the real secret that they have little more to offer. They conceal their inner averageness with cosmetics and fashion. But the truth is that their inferiority complex is utterly intractable. A grunting knuckle-head who does not expect much of her absolves her of these unspoken angsts, this unspoken responsibility, this expectation that she should live up to something that she is not. Teasing a woman, making fun of her, busting on her, defuses this self-consciousness that would otherwise have her heading for the hills at the first sign of discomfort or inconvenience.
And from another perspective, there is the idea that female sexuality at a very fundamental level derives its arousal from “throwing it away”. In this light, an acned, tattooed, sweating slob taking what he wants, commanding and oozing all over an attractive, fragile woman disrobed, can be highly arousing in a way that the female equivalent oozing over a fragile, disrobed man can never be.
In other words, what I’m getting at is that female sexuality, at its very core, can actually be a devolutionary force rather than an evolutionary one. Women do not always select for the fittest. Indeed, if we let women have their way, the next generation will be swinging from tree to tree.
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I have many hobbies; one of which is making my own spiritous liquours. Not whiskey, I do not have the stomach for that, having some knowledge of the health meanings of the actual ingredients.(Look up the subject of high temperature and wood tar). But I make a Pear Brandy that works for me.
Age-ing has nothing to do with alc content. That is always adjusted to spec (usually 40%) just before bottling. Aging in oak basically adds burnt wood saps and allows the breakdown or evaporation of light voltile poisons.
Women do have pleasant fantasies of being “raped” by the right sort of man. Men NEVER get off thinking about raising another mans spawn, no matter what.
Women cannot understand this without inputs from outside of their hive-mind.
Connection?
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“What if she turns and gives me the cheek?”
Drag your tongue right up her face and try to get an eyeball in that slippery slide too.
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I employed the wrong diction. I’d still be wary of a girl who happily obliges/suggest condomless sex early on. Especially without at least asking the token STI question.
I can confirm (it was asked elsewhere) that there is a physically qualitative difference to raw vs. sheathed sex, not in terms of pleasure, but you can still tell. The pleasure component is all psychological: knowing that one is engaging in a primal physical exchange is *hot*.
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Rape is the least of it. The most endearing fact about women, esp. very pretty women, is that they are depraved by nature: they love every perversity, and they are the smoothest of after-the-fact hypocrites.
What a sufficiently sopping girl is happy to do would stun almost all men. It’s good most men neither know it nor see it. It’s best that this insane lust is so infrequently tickled up into life.
When they are playing with themselves, thinking about the antics of someone like The Night Stalker, rape is an appetizer. Women’s minds are amoral and free once they’re well-soaked. That’s how it is.
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Plus you’re adorable. A lot.
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Hot women will do the most insane things.
And when you do it right, you never have to ask anything. She just gives in.
On of those Eureka! moments that define life.
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“Aw, how cute. It’s like we’re twelve-years-old again.”
I love this. Great line.
As for the rest, you’re dead on. I had a friend that used to quote Ted Nugent: “When in doubt, I whip it out”.
He said FAR more often than not he got a handjob or blowjob out of doing so.
I used to think he was a psycho. Until I told a woman I wanted her NOW, dropped all my clothes and got a handjob out of it.
The rest followed not long after.
Bolder is almost always better.
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I just read the book “Red Riding Hood” and let me tell you, there is TONS of implications that females want to SUBMIT themselves to someone fully more powerful than they are. These “romance” novels are full of the shit, and are pretty much rape fantasies and female porn.
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I’m voting for hair pull!
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Glad to hear that whiskey is paleo. Although I think the forward thinking drinkers have embraced tequila. Viva Casa Noble.
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And Roosh had a column on the oops, the condom fell off routine. They can’t tell but they like the difference in enthusiasm of the guy without the latex.
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I’ve had two different girlfriends, 8 years apart, each tell me point-blank that they fantasized about being raped. I was completely reflexively disgusted in both instances.
I’m not sure if it’s a coincidence, but they were both extremely insolent, all the fucking time. More difficult than any other girls I’ve ever dated. It was like they got a thrill from saying no to my statements/demands, whether in a restaurant or in bed. They were also both extremely flirty with other men in front of me, then implying strongly that they would have sex with that person if I didn’t ‘act nicer’ and curb my sub-assholish behavior. When I slammed them for their shit and dared them to do it they both broke down shrieking and crying saying they only want to be with me and they couldn’t bear to lose me. Pure histrionics.
Now that I think about it, it seems obvious that this behavior is likely correlated with their desire to get utterly dominated by someone they are ostensibly denying. They were trying to provoke the sleeping lion into mauling them.
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Just let me know when, aoefe.
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Sex bitch. Damn…..
Yeah I’ve known frorever. Kinda kinda like I’ve wanted to do you forever.
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On a related tangent, I just read an article about elderly couples committing suicide together as their quality of life greatly deteriorates. One of the major themes was that this action was one of deep mutual love between couples that had shared their entire lives together, and would enter eternity together. I can honestly say this is an incredibly moving concept for me.
Unfortunately, I would never be able to give my full and undying love to a woman who’s sucked and fucked several dicks before me, and/or fantasizes about being raped. Since that rules out almost all the women I’ve ever met, I will likely be committing elder-suicide alone.
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I was with you when you were talking about tying a knot in your conny and taking it with you.
That’s what I do.
Most guys, myself included, can probably benefit from this post. A scumbag rapist probably doesn’t read the chateau and ponder earnestly on how to improve himself and his game.
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Another great article, however this probably isn’t the best advice:
“- putting it in without the condom”
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Mukluk
Listen to me. There isn’t much time. You need to it now.
Don’t fuck this up. Cut the artery lengthwise and deep. Now do the other arm. Now get in a warm bath.
Look this thing in the eye: Your own brain is determined to kill you.
So, where are yu going to hide?????
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Damn aoefe—
Fuck you.
I wish!!
Hot bitch!!
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chametz equals non-attachment
don’t wait for the yeasty bread to rise.
Do it now.
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Rum,
I think I get the gist of what you’re saying despite the spelling mistakes and missing words, but I’m enjoying life too much to take a dirtnap any time soon. The last 5 to 15 years of one’s life can be either pleasant or excruciating, depending mostly on the luck of the draw. I don’t plan on capping off this incredible life of mine by spending any time in a humiliating nursing home or palliative care hospital ward, if that’s the hand life tries to deal me.
The idea of capping off 70+ magnificent years by checking out while still sane and physically free is a no-brainer. Of course, I take impeccable care of my health, and my family generally lives healthy well into their late 80s, so, fortune willing, it will never come up.
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“Before the IQ-compromised cunt-brigade and their thimble-phallused uptight white knighters storm in to shriek like menstruating banshees”……..
ART, I TELL YOU, ART! Well said.
Ok, I am not trying to mother hen anyone here…just be careful with the protection/condom angle. There is illness out there.
//[Editor: That’d be the way to bet. Tramp stamps are hot and sexy, no doubt, but as you’re doing her from behind just imagine all the other guys admiring her tat as they pumped her. It’s the best cure for blowing a fat wad of money on an engagement ring.]//
I laughed out loud. Too true as I won’t even pierce my ears!
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Bhetti–
Yes it could. Including my very sexual you!!!
Oh so yuum!!!!
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Having sex without a condom is awesome, period. At worst your dick leaks for a few days. The odds of getting AIDS in this day and age are infinitesimal, unless you’re slipping it in some detroit crack-whore. As long as you’re picking dates that display a modicum of class, odds are you won’t have anything to worry about. For club skanks, my advice goes out the window. Safest to double-bag it.
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aoefe rules!
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Doug
I sure hope you’re drunk. Because if you’re not … oh dear
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I’d love to see what the statistics of the study mentioned would look like if women were more likely to be honest with themselves and the surveyor. Or if the survey rhetoric was worded with something less threatening than “rape.” Taken. Dominated. Overwhelmed.
As many of you have already pointed out, women really do love to be (in romance novel terms) “ravished.” That means forcibly taken sexually. That means raped. I don’t know many women that would admit to being turned on by the concept of rape- but “ravished”? Definitely. Use this knowledge and understand that most women might need to make this distinction (at least in their own minds, even if there isn’t a real one). Think difference between; dashing pirate kidnapping the princess and bending her to his will- rather than a woman cornered in an alley and held at knifepoint. The former is much more accessible (to most females).
I’m a female American college student living in big city. I was living in South America when I reached sexual maturity and began dating. Since returning to the U.S. to attend university, I’m sorry to say that I’m fairly disappointed in the general lack of technique in North American men. I’d never been asked if I could be kissed before, or treated in such a tip-toeing manner as if I were a doll that might break. What’s going on? What happened to the red-blooded American male?
Dating Latinos has its problems, but being sexually satisfied is not one of them. Listen, boys. We need you to man-up!
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“Question:
Tattoo on a girl’s back (tramp-stamp), bad LTR material, right?
[Editor: That’d be the way to bet. Tramp stamps are hot and sexy, no doubt, but as you’re doing her from behind just imagine all the other guys admiring her tat as they pumped her. It’s the best cure for blowing a fat wad of money on an engagement ring.]”
Follow Up Question: Wouldn’t any tatoo on a girl indicate bad LTR material? Or are small tats that are hidden except for those private moments the exception?
[Editor: *One* small tat in a non-erogenous zone is not a strong slut indicator. A rose on the ankle or something like that is weak evidence of slut tendencies. It’s the tats that were meant to draw the eye to sexy body parts that usually tell of a slut. Tat-free girls are the best LTR prospects, all else equal, because getting a tat is a symbolic gesture of rebellion, just like slutting around, and girls who get tats are generally more adventurous than those who don’t.]
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I love how this site removes the veil of what we’re led to believe, I just wish I knew these things earlier, no wonder I had such little success, I was always treating women with equality frames, never dominant frames.. at least I’m not 30 yet.. also comments like D’s, re: rapist evolution is an inconvenient truth… you don’t see the fucking silverbacks seeking consent, they go out and have their way with them whether they like it or not.. so my question is, at what point in time did that not become the norm for humans? At what point were the majority of mating males “civilized” enough to impregnate consensually.
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MJ, some of us are into BDSM, so we do admit to it as a fantasy.
Chi, I think you worry too much. The only idiots who would take this post as an okay to rape are feminists who are trying really hard to make it so. The people actually dumb enough to commit rapes aren’t reading this blog. On a darker note, these guys are often alpha enough not to need game, and often run afoul of the regretted sex type rape accusations.
That would be my worry: that a man could do everything right and still get screwed.
It may however, be a good reason to go for public escalation or groupish (multiple couples in the same room with maybe some overlap) sex or at least group making out. If you have witnesses, at least at the very beginning, it can strengthen your case. So accelerate as you escalate.
Be a dog. Seriously. Even if you’re a good guy looking for something meaningful, you’re both grown, so there’s no need for the b.s. Just because things happen fast doesn’t mean there’s some kind of rule that you have to throw her away after.
Another thing to consider is the territorial thing. Women don’t just get turned on by boldness for boldness’s sake. Males are supposed to be territorial, and bold moves all out in the open make her feel more owned and subdued. The guy in my local group of friends we nicknamed “Can Opener” pulls this often, and gets women other guys strike out with because of a combination of hotness and strong anti slut defenses.
I’ve seen him literally handle some women like cats. He’ll grab their hair and say things in their ear, then half push them away when he’s done. He holds them in place by the waist of their pants. He treats them physically like pets or farm animals all out in the open. It works.
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The editor/gig booze talk was the best thread in the comments section in a long time.
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No joke people. I am completely frusterated with my situation. Classic beta. How the hell do you even approach women to use these lines? Books don’t work. I’m at wits end here.
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Editor
Ya but your missing the other important part which is that “admitting” this factoid would totally ruin the whole thing! I.e. if we have to spell out exactly what the boundaries of our “rape fantasies” are, then it ruins the point of the whole thing. Like, imagine a scary movie where we have to specify exactly when and how we want you to scare us, think about how scary *that* would be . Lol
In short:
If we have to guide you guys in how we want to be led/dominated … Then that means *we* are the leaders/dominants, not you. Sorry, try again
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What are you, 5?
Next contribution will be about who has the cooties.
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Nicole
Hon I hear ya, but remember this is a *game* blog I.E. a blog that by definition is for guys who can’t really tell token resistance apart from, well, real resistance. Lol
Also remember that there are a lot of lurker’s who dont actually post, who are trying to learn “game”. Many of whom might become more sexually aggressive in a good way, but a few of whom might mistake a no that really means “no” for a “no means yes” type of situation.
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In any case, what a lot of the readers here dont seem to understand, is that the rape in “rape fantasy” is *not* the same thing as the rape in, well, “rape”, we should really have 2 different words for these things.
IE women’s rape fantasies are often non consensual, rough, or whatever, but AT NO POINT IS THERE EVER A SEMBLANCE OF REAL DANGER that something permanently bad might happen. Where as in real rape … Well you get the picture.
Its like when ppl close their eyes and think about skydiving, the fantasy *always* involves a chance of exactly 0% that you will hit the ground and become a quadraplegic. And if there is even a 10% chance then the fantasy is ruined for all but the biggest diehards. Its exactly the same thing.
In sum, “rape fantasies” have nothing to do with … well … rape, they have to do with really bold moves by guys we already want. Being really bold and rape-y does not help your case on any level, even a sub conscious one, if we have decided that you’re a loser, sorry. This needs to be bold face.
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“- not taking the first “no” for an answer. (Wait until the fifth or sixth “no”, and only then if the “no” is uttered with an unmistakeable tone of genuine recalcitrance.)”
I can already see this line being quoted in feminist blogs with cunts all over raging about PUA and game. Must be hilarious.
The article in general is correct but I think that rape fantasies, along with the dread thing, are slightly overdiscussed around here.
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This post is pure gold except for the condom part. How fucking reckless is the Chateau to recommend such a thing?
“I’m pregnant.” Game Over!
“You’ve got syphilis.” For joy!
Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.
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Kingbeef
One workable back up strategy is to get really ripped, go to sunday pool parties, and be a Twitter man. I.E under no circumstances say anything that is more than 140 character’s long. Lol Use steroids if necessary.
If the actual words (“these lines”) matter then your already headed down the wrong path. Haha Less is more, really, we find boy talk usually about as interesting as you find girl talk. In other words not at all, so be accordingly short with your words and all will be good.
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@Kingbeef
Give up. Adjust to being permanently celibate. At least you will have made a decision you can stick with.
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Why the hell would you risk getting a sexually transmitted disease? Why? Its utterly stupid. Especially considering the people that read these blogs may at present or in the future be having intercourse with tens and hundreds of women. Its only a matter of time before you get an STD.
Its not ‘expendable alpha male’ its stupid; maladaptive. Its rightfully self correcting too, thank you natural selection.
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If a male folloes this advice on any American University campus, they are likely to find themselves before an extra-judicial (private) kangaroo court where there are no rules of evidence or procedure and no jury of your peers. Your admitted actions, taking a “no” as tentative are explicitly condemned as tatamount to rape and are against rules of campus conduct. Sentence is without possibility of review. Probably the entire male community of the campus will be punished by increased sensitivity training, mandatory self denunciation sessions and other humiliations.
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Why
Why the hell would you risk getting a sexually transmitted disease? Why? Its utterly stupid.
yawwwnnn
mad libs time:
you giant idiot, why would you ever, ever risk _______ (fill in risk) for mere _______ (fill in return).
STD; raw dogg
injury; motorcycle thrills
failure; success
etc. etc.
some people are genetically inclined for different places on the risk/return curve of life. it’s pointless to argue about things that are hardwired, so don’t bother.
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Why
Why the hell would you risk getting a sexually transmitted disease? Why? Its utterly stupid.
yawwwnnn
some people are genetically inclined for different places on the risk/return curve of life. it’s pointless to argue about things that are hardwired, so don’t bother.
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When I think of receiving from behind, I think of being held from behind and wrapped. That’s intimacy. Pulling hair….nah…..being held CLOSE….yes!
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I’ve heard all about STDs from state-sponsored aunties and various assorted guidance professionals within the behemoth media-education complex all through my teenage years in the eighties, and beyond.
Contra their advice, my ten-plus years of being single and banging chicks without any protection whatsoever, the closest I got to suffering any consequence was two pregnancy scares.
Was I just lucky? or is the spectre of the the STD russian roulette greatly exaggerated with regards to the pool of middle and upper middle class white American girls who comprized almost all of my sexual partners? or were the Bush I and Clinton years a more innocent time? (hah!)
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Just Saturday I was on a 1st date. Brought her back to my place. It took me 2 hrs for her to even kiss me, all the while I was slowly taking her pants off on the couch. First it was just unbuttonned, then over her ass and then “mysteriously” around her knees.
She kept saying “We’re not sleeping together” I agreed and amplified.
Many times I thought I was pushing it waaaay too far. Borderline. When she started grinding my cock over her gitch and getting off me because it was making her horny, I waiting a bit, let her cool and then grabbed her to come back down. Eventually I got her in my bed and it then started again with her underwear, the same thing.
The point is, I was assertive, then would back off and push back where I was previously. I never stopped.
Five fucking hours later after it all began, she’s grabbing my cock to feel it go inside her.
BE. FUCKING. ASSERTIVE
The next day I sent her a text to see how she was doing (she was working)
Her response : “I’m having and awesome day!”
I’m 34, she’s 21.
Boom!
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You are comparing motorcycle driving and unprotected sex! Goddam you’re an imbecile. They are completely different, with sex you have the choice to be either protected and have a very low chance of pregnancy and no chance of getting an std or unprotected and have a higher chance of pregnancy and high chance of getting an std.
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It makes me doubt the amount of sex CR is getting if he is still advocating unprotected sex. I for one am highly cautious of unplanned pregnancies, due to the implications the lack of rights we males have on our seed. You have no power at all as to whether she keeps the baby. So unprotected sex is a serious risk to your standard of living because of child support laws. I will be getting a vasectomy after I finish being a sperm donor.
[Editor: Pullout + pill combo works wonders if you’re really worried about pregnancy. Otherwise, as PA noted, the STD risk to straight men who mostly bang middle and upper middle class chicks is pretty low. AIDS in America is, and always has been, a gay man anal invasion disease.
ps Once you’ve been dating a girl for a while a trust develops where you start blasting inside her, if she’s on the pill. Hell, i’ve blasted inside chicks who were pill-free. I just made sure to avoid doing it during her ovulation window.]
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“why”, your inability to comprehend my point does not suggest that i am an imbecile; it just suggests that you are hardwired at a very low location on the risk/return curve of life. in other words, you are one of those “future time orientation” guys; everything is about the future, the future, the most prudent option, etc., and you don’t think much about enjoying the here and now at all. in fact, “enjoying the here and now” may as well be a foreign notion to you, judging from the way you write.
what you’re missing, in the case of both fast motorcycles and fast women, is that LESS PROTECTION / MORE RISK = FEELS BETTER. there’s just no comparison. it feels better to ride a bike doing wheelys without a helmet in street clothes, although you’re jodido if you crash. similarly, it feels better to fuck without a condom, although you’re much more fucked (hehe) if things go wrong.
your low risk / low return approach to life probably means that you’ll live to a nice ripe old age, but it also means that you won’t enjoy life nearly as much as i will.
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I just went through this about a month ago and failed horribly. I wish this post had been written before then. I’m almost certain that that moment (she turned her cheek and I made some variant of an aww shucks beta reply) was what killed an up-to-that-point extant fire.
And she reacted exactly as you say – she almost instantly dropped me.
Not next time.
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My one epic fail in this area was when I had a girl at my apartment and everything was going great. Her staying over was already a given. We were polishing up red wine and she coyly went to the bathroom and changed to girly boxers and a loose, see-thru tanktop that easily showed her breasts, and then — a big WTF:
As I started to unbuckle my jeans, she sat on the bed and said with an innocent expression on her face: “but… we have a sleeping ararangement, right, I mean we’re not sleeping together or anything?”
I was around thrity, she was twenty-two. Close to a 9 in looks. A church girl, as Thusday would have called her. Literally. She went to Mass every Sunday. In all honesty, there couldn’t have been anything I’d done to change her mind. It was pure ASD on her end.
My reaction didn’t help, LOL. Mind you, we were both drunk at that point, I removed my jeans and The Johnson sprang out of my boxers. He too was thinking “WTF.”
I stared at her with utter disbelief, and half-surprised and half-angry, I started cajoling her. The mood changed from what it was all evening — awesome — to her becomg very defensive and serious. So I went to the f’ing couch.
Lesson learned: she shoudl have slept on the damn couch.
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To stress this point, her comment about not sleeping together was not faux-coyness or cutesiness. It was clearly serious on her part.
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@xplat
“For me, kissing is near the last stage of seduction. I’m just as likely to be fucking a girl before ever kissing her. I work more with my hands. ”
very true, I often go way too fast, but how do you not w/o appearing chumpish? just last weekend I isolate a girl I winged for, planning to just talk a bit (“run comfort” lolz) and figure out logistics, look her in the eyes, boom. And from the start I knew about 30/70 chance shit like that is going to end up just a makeout… But she’s buzzed, horny, wants to make out – so if I’d start with “so where do you live/wanna see a magic trick” I’d just look like a chump. Ended up being cockblocked, didn’t get the number (did ask).
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PA
My one epic fail in this area…
It is all about reaction and calibration. I had a story like that when chick was telling me she’s on the rag and as was found out later that evening wasn’t. Just stay cool.
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@RED
Dating Latinos has its problems, but being sexually satisfied is not one of them. Listen, boys. We need you to man-up!
That’s all fine and good, for you. But your sisters have ruined it.
Now, good manned-up boys could go to jail for even thinking these things. Been to an American college recently?
No real men?
100% of the fault lies in the hands of your sisters.
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If women did not have rape fantasies “Lifetime: Television for Women” would not exist. Nor would skirts and bikinis.
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@Nicole
“Chi, I think you worry too much. The only idiots who would take this post as an okay to rape are feminists who are trying really hard to make it so. The people actually dumb enough to commit rapes aren’t reading this blog. On a darker note, these guys are often alpha enough not to need game, and often run afoul of the regretted sex type rape accusations.”
I’ll try to get through my sweaty night terror.
Do you think that everyone who, regrettably, uses the term “methinks” is an avid reader of Shakespeare? Its just going pass through gravel and clay and into the water supply.
This also comes from my basic philosophy that game principle is a refining process to convert raw unattractive intellectual ability into a form of attraction. There is going to be cognitive zone in the population resulting in incomplete comprehension. You don’t need a dirty bomb, just hand a nuclear medical device to an idiot. I am just stating my expectation.
”
DALLAS – Police said two burglars struck a Texas store that sells high-end security equipment, and the whole thing was caught on tape by 17 cameras rolling in the store.”
Now if only I could find a spot in the woods to observe game and aspergers syndrome.
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@PA,
I met a hot girl on an adult website who was a professional and worked as a sales rep at a hotel. She was Indonesian Chinese.
She too was a church girl, 35, big tits. Generally nice. She said she had a pet rabbit at home but was now living in another country. Her parents had money, well dressed overall.
Prior to meeting up, she sent me some photos of her hiking, nothing overly sexy.
She said she wouldn’t bang me when we first met up…at my hotel in the bar there.
I used every game technique starting with neg, kino escalation, push-pull, comfort.
Within 2 hours she was in my hotel blowing me and I banged her every time I traveled to that city until she moved away.
If I’d taken her coyness for lack of interest it would have been a bust.
But I ploughed on. Had I hestitated even for a minute…epic fail.
Even on that first night she was giving me that Last minute resistance: “What are you looking for?”
Realizing she was 35, not a slut, and wanting to bang me I answered: “Look, with the right person, anything can happen”.
She blew me on the balcony of my hotel.
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Slightly off-topic.
I’m at a party and the girl I’m seeing is there.
New girl I’d met once before starts giving me IOI’s.
I kino her—arm clutch, then push-pull, then dance with her…
Neg, more teasing….She’s so giving me IOI’s.
Then I cooly leave and walk away.
She left and said good bye…all the while the big doggie dinner bowl eyes.
How do I convert this with the girl I’m seeing in the same room?
New girl didn’t know about the girl, she’s new to the scene.
My girl didn’t pick up on the vibe.
Anyone been in that situation?
I will see new hottie again socially…..
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Watch the movie Straw Dogs (starring Dustin Hoffman, dir. Sam Peckinpah).
Hoffman and his beautiful wife are terrorized by local brutes. There is a brilliant scene involving one of the brutes and his wife – he overtakes her. At first, it’s a rape scene. At first.
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LOL women are fucking awful.
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I love when CH gets all mathematical on us…
[QUOTE]The urgency and strength of a woman’s desire for a man is directly proportional to the degree to which he is perceived higher in value than her.
{[(urg+str)/2]*dsr}FM = (Delta Mvalue>=FMvalue)*FM
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It’s posts like this that remind us what a (by and large) massive inversion Hollywood is. You’d swear the media is like some sort of massive societal shit test or something.
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Codebuster,
“And from another perspective, there is the idea that female sexuality at a very fundamental level derives its arousal from “throwing it away”.
Explain that to me. Why is “throwing it away” arousing to women?
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If you have raw dogged a lot of chicks, chances are you have the herps. 2/3 of cases are asymptomatic or have extremely mild symptoms though, so you won’t know if you are infected.
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I’m a female American college student living in big city. I was living in South America when I reached sexual maturity and began dating. Since returning to the U.S. to attend university, I’m sorry to say that I’m fairly disappointed in the general lack of technique in North American men. I’d never been asked if I could be kissed before, or treated in such a tip-toeing manner as if I were a doll that might break. What’s going on? What happened to the red-blooded American male?
Dating Latinos has its problems, but being sexually satisfied is not one of them. Listen, boys. We need you to man-up!
Maybe you should go back to your indio and mestizo, um, ‘friends’ in ‘Latin’ America.
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N/A:
I’ve come to the same conclusion. I think one very big reason most women are opposed to porn is that it portrays them in a different (and truer) light than the carefully crafted sexless persona that they collectively cultivate. I think it was Raquel Welch who once said “If men knew what women were thinking they’d be ten times bolder.”
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This is excellent. The military metaphor is appropriate. Like storming a castle, if she rebuffs your approach at one wall then don’t take it as a defeat, just regroup and outflank her from another approach.
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Susan George got a LOT of heat for that sandwich scene.
Gal Queda was all over her ass.
When interviewed she stated that it was her favorite scene.
Well, duh! She was the center of attention.
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Folks, the absolute underlying basis for female sexuality and selection is the arraigned marriage.
This was the ONLY type of marriage not considered kidnapping/ rape for thousands of generations.
In the ancient times ( still seen in Afghanistan: Pashtunwali ) females were daddy’s property and were traded/ mated with males that had already mastered the ‘rite of passage’ into adulthood. Typically, then, the male would be twelve to sixteen years older than the bride.
Her opinion counted for naught. Her husband would groom her for his harem — polygamy was the norm in ancient times.
Her task was to entirely dedicate herself to him, for if she fails in her duty it will be a stain on her father’s honor and that of her family. In effect, a breach of covenant. Typically, the girl would be killed to clear the stain. Such honor killings are still common as dust in the ummah.
Brides were often committed before they’d even hit the menses. In most ancient societies the bride was used as chattel labor in her teens — cleaning house and socializing with her fellow wives — until she reached sixteen/ full adult dimensions. At that point she would be fulsomely bedded.
Since polygamy was everywhere, her co-wives would normally be at hand, real estate being hard to come by. ( A one-room tent! )
Such a trans-generational marriage also created a parent-husband / child-bride dynamic. In every conceivable way the female looked up to her husband. She was still an absolute Omega from the dining table to the bedroom.
In ancient times young wives didn’t even eat with their men — any man. Having cooked the food – -they’d have to wait until the men were entirely finished. You’ll see that in Lawrence of Arabia — the movie. That food ranking was global. Early accounts of the American natives tell of the exact same custom. If anyone was going to starve it was the females. Period.
This savage custom existed because it was the only route to clan survival. Females were liabilities pretty much across the board. They had two purposes: slave and entertainment center. That’s it.
For all of their troubles the women had it easy. Try hunting a brown bear with a flint-tipped spear. Yeah, you’re going to lose some of the guys now and again.
Native Americans, having killed a bear, saved it exclusively for the men and mothers of MEN. The rest of the clan — regardless of weather — were kicked out until the whole beast was eaten. Not one scrap was let by!
Women only gained status by having MALE children. Such attitudes were still in evidence in Sparta. Female babies were always deemed surplus.
You see this attitude in Arabia even now. The Kingdom has an accurate count of how many sons Saud fathered. No record was ever kept of his daughters. In every sense, they didn’t count.
Thousands of generations of subservience to men has created hard-wired, DNA adjustment. Dykes are rare because dyke genes would be destroyed — post natal abortion! In comparison gay males were tolerated: Sparta, Alexander, Caesar, etc. In a polygamous society — there was never a sperm shortage — warrior shortages, yes.
Females that proved sterile would be ejected from the clan/ left to die. Outside of providing male children nothing a female did could compensate for her economic drain.
This also explains why females mature even quicker than the males. The quicker a bride bore boys the sooner she would be a ‘made’ woman. Only through her sons could she ever attain any social rank. This is still seen all over the ummah.
The big reason for muslim rage against the West is their rule-set. It’s straight out of the Pleistocene. Modernity completely passed them by. The hills of Afghanistan are emblematic.
So if you want to study how humanity operated most of its existence, just study Pastunwali. Your eyes will be opened. Especially on the mating dynamic.
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Listen, boys. We need you to man-up!
Maybe more American men will start to “man-up” when American wildebeests, oops, I mean American, er, ‘women’, begin to “lady-up”.
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I can second this. The more so as I’ve gotten older.
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There is an old joke which I can’t remember fully, but it starts with the woman saying No! Don’t! Stop!, and ends with her moaning No, don’t stop!.
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Munch
She always said yes in the end and was sexually enthusiastic, in the retelling of any ambiguous situation, given these feminist kangaroo court times. Talking about moaned nos with body language big yes is too dangerous if accused.
If you can’t get her to sexually enthusiastic, don’t do it.
xsplat’s advice about going a bit past her forebrain boundaries (with hindbrain enthusiasm), but then backing way off if she doesn’t capitulate right away, more than you really need to, to get her to chase and miss your attentions again, is gold.
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Women are like the IRS: if you’ve never been audited, you’re not being aggressive enough.
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Then turns back into a rape scene as the alpha brute’s slimy best friend unexpectedly joins in at gunpoint. Of course, the movie climaxes later with a splendid display of beta rage, so all’s well. Susan George isn’t the only mantrap in that home.
Great Sam Peckinpah film and example of what can happen when a beta manages to snag a younger libidinous woman he doesn’t have the game to handle.
Peckinpah was a natural in these matters. You can see it in any of his films.
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Mantrap?
Try bear trap!
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I normally never attempt a kiss until she’s completely mastered fellatio for me; then it’s a peck on the check.
There are many babes who associate kissing with a LTR so strongly that they’d rather maintain some emotional distance and just feed their throat like the pornlets.
I’m a leg-man. I work the thigh like a highway to heaven.
It is wired directly to the hamster.
Meaning that moaning replaces chit-chat.
I normally start off with:”Let’s relax.”
The less said the less you can screw up.
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I love to Bite, Spank (Hard), leave Kickeys, Choke (Not too hard), and even slap a girl in the face (again not too hard). During sex. I’ll tell them to do something, turn around, turn over, and then move them where I want them too. They love it when you pick them up and carry them to another part of the room and continue going at it there. The key here especially is calibration, take baby steps. Start with a light spank first and work your way up from there. god forbid the girl you’re with actually was raped or molested when she was younger and has serious emotional scars, meanwhile you’re going at it, choking her with both hands and smaking her so hard she flies off into orbit. Gotta build trust first.
As for the actual act of getting to the lovemaking? It’s called being a tease. Turn them on, draw them in close, break that “bubble” of personal space, and act like you’re going in for the kiss, then “get distracted” or pull away. Oftentimes, if I’ve done my work correctly, I won’t even have to go in for the kiss, the girl will be clamoring for it. Continue the teasing when you’re naked and the clothes are off, building until that first moment of penetration. I’m always pleasantly surprised at how my actions, attitude and words throughout the night do so much of the work for me by the time it gets down to doing the deed
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What’s going on is feminist brainwashing directed at middle class and up white guys in schools, at home, at university and in the media. @Doug1
Yes, yes indeed – all to the everlasting and irreversible detriment of Our People and Our Nation
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Ha, Doug, I should’ve known you wouldn’t say. Someone get a number out of the man.
Yes, I admit it. I’m included in your biased sample.
I’m surprised aoefe voted yes for hair pulling.
As in, surprised someone let a woman vote here!
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@bhetti – ha ha! You KNEW I’d like hair pulling fo sho, no surprise there.
I do wonder why men are so affronted about women having rape fantasies. If men have violent fantasies of ‘taking’ a woman does it not make sense that a woman would fantasize about being taken? I wonder if men who are turned off by this would prefer themselves to be raped/dominated? Or have these men pedastalized women and think we’re all sweetness and light and have no dark, hedonistic impulses. Why are we so backwater about sex anyway? What’s the big deal? Our society is so mixed up regarding sex I think. Why the taboos? Consenting adults – period. Then the sky’s the limit.
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But I do feel this: that it is better to be rash than timid, for Fortune is a woman, and the man who wants to hold her down must beat and bully her. We see that she yields more often to men of this stripe than to those who come coldly toward her.
-Machiavelli
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Aoefe: It makes no sense, especially since someone who’d feel guilty about being slutty is just more likely to want the “burden of” consent removed mentally. That’s in line with how rape scenes were much more common in romance novels dating back to the seventies or eighties at most, whilst they’re considerably rarer now.
But I’m just repeating myself from that previous thread.
The lesson to take away is not to ask permission for everything, ’cause that’s not sexy. Do a Nike: Just do it!
I’ve actually been trying to find out whether finding dominance sexual is actually in any way innate to some men. As in, is dominance a byproduct of them really wanting sex combined with a masculine aggression of getting it, or is the act of dominance itself sexy to some men? These men are probably still in the minority. There isn’t enough good literature on the subject.
If any man did fantasise about raping a woman, good luck getting him to admit it. These kinds of thoughts are heavily repressed by this climate; that’s actually probably why they solipsistically find it repulsive.
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Red–
What’s going on is feminist brainwashing directed at middle class and up white guys in schools, at home, at university and in the media.
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I have documented my journey to find a dominant man and being very aware of what I needed allowed me to examine men on more than a surface level. I found more men preferred being dominated to being the dominant. Was that because I’m a ‘boss’ at work and there’s a suggestion I’d be bossy in the bedroom? Or is that because I’d met mostly beta’s? I’ve only met one man who’s open about getting off on force, submission and some humiliation – I do think his type is rare. Natural alpha’s seem to enjoy domination without being obvious about it. They know they can have what they want, and yet enjoy giving too. It’s like both sides of the equation work for them. Sorry about the tangent into men’s dominance or lack thereof.
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@aoefe
I admit it surprised me how much harder I got first time I tried slapping her face (lightly) while fucking her, to find out how accepting she was of it – exactly what feminism had taught me my whole life that women didn’t want.
But me being dominated? Oh no. Even when she is on top, I am in control.
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Texas rape bill opens door to prior conduct
Judge would decide if jury could hear previous uncharged allegations
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7527387.html
Pure evil. REAL rape is terrible and should be prosecuted, of course. But a women getting drunk, having sex, then – after the alcohol wears off and her inhibitions return – she regrets it, is NOT rape.
And what is to stop a group of Feminists from targeting a man for a series of ALLEGATIONS?
“In an emotional response, Huffman described watching a 6-year-old girl clutching a teddy bear testify about a sexual assault.”
MANIPULATIVE BITCH.
And notice that both introducers of these bills are Republican women.
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by “manipulative bitch” I of course meant the Republican woman, not the 6 yr old girl, who is apparently a victim.
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“Weil die Grenzen der Träume flüssig sind, verflüssigen sich auch die Grenzen des Realen: denn das Reale wird vom Standpunkt des Traumes aus gesehen.”
The boundaries of our dreams are fluid. That’s why the boundaries of reality are fluid as well. The reason why? Reality is viewed from a dream standpoint. (very loose translation)
Panajotis Kondylis 1943-1998, greatest philosopher of our time
Never underestimate your dreams. They always reflect your deepest (unfulfilled) desires. And they never lie.
No, they’re not a glimpse into the future. Don’t rationalize. Live them, or die suffering (or worse, watch them go by as you rot in heaven or in hell, desperately trying to grasp them with no chance of redemption in sight).
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@ Jeffrey of Troy
Whattabout guys who get too drunk and bang ugly girls without knowing it? That MUST be defined as rape. Specially if some friend take pictures of it.
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Audrey, Chi, I get your arguments, but really, I don’t think this post is going to encourage rape at all.
I can agree though, that some guys might be in danger of misreading body language and tone, which could lead to dangerous misunderstandings.
I’m very understanding of this situation because by nature, I’m very introverted to the point of being “tactilely defensive” because I’m oversensitive. In an attempt to override this in order to have a life, I can get so anxious about checking my own defensive reactions that I dismiss important information I’m getting from the other person as paranoid delusions.
The aspie type guy has a different set of issues, and actually misses information rather than dismissing it.
So I think Xsplat’s guide is helpful and might should be added to the post so people who don’t read the comments won’t miss it. Following those steps, a guy has plenty of time to pull out if it’s a hard refusal.
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This is might be cute perhaps until the question of real rape or forced sexual acts come to play. Very thin line.
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Ya, thin line. Razor thin. In fact, the difference between being sexually agressive and rape is such a thin line that it’s unsafe to even disclose what actually works. In fact, it’s so dangerous, it should be criminal. It may even be criminal!
Oh, and women can’t be counted on to state a forceful angry no and stand up and put their clothes on. Being ambiguous about consent is a razor thin line that may or may not mean there is real rape!
Look, Dreamy-head, just because women and white knight beta boys don’t want men to know the truth, doesn’t mean men can’t handle the truth.
You women don’t want fake betas. You only want real alphas who already know this shit.
Tough. Knowledge is power, and us men are sharing the power. Women have had too much lately.
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She can’t say no if she’s drugged.
Just sayin’.
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I read something very disturbing at the Spearhead (which I generally glance through infrequently. It’s by the guy who does the excellent False Rape Society site. It’s very relevant to this topic.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/13/the-chances-of-holding-your-son-responsible-for-a-rape-he-didnt-commit-have-just-skyrocketed/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheSpearhead+%28The+Spearhead%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Apparently the Obama administration’s Dept of Education on April 4 issued a letter to US universities requiring under Title IX that in all disciplinary proceedings for rape on sexual assault, a preponderance of the evidence standard (which means just over the 50% line) be used instead of the “clear and convincing evidence” standard (evidence of a high probability that the offense occurred) which many schools such as Harvard now use. Even the later standard is only about halfway between “preponderance of the evidence” and the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard that’s applicable to nearly all crimes including rape in most states (though feminists have been working on eroding that in subtle sounding ways).
This is an extreme misuse of Title IX, which is fundamentally about prohibiting gender discrimination at universities. This in fact constitutes discrimination against presumptively innocent males on campus. How can requiring a vastly lower standard of guilt than in a criminal rape case for disciplinary proceedings on campus, be a measure against gender discrimination at universities???
And this:
In other words if males stay on the good side of her stopping moaning no, while she’s strongly sexually responding, but there’s any ambiguity at all and they’d both been drinking which is the usual case in campus hookup sex, if she makes a complaint, he’s likely to be toast. What makes this especially alarming is that lots of first time sex especially with an alpha, involves the guy overcoming some last minute resistance due to anti slut defenses of the girl, as we’ve been talking about on this thread. What becomes clearly consensual in the event can be made to seem not so in the girls retelling of it.
This is truly alarming, especially given the atmosphere on most college campuses responding to rad feminist date rape hysteria, the feminist lies about how prevalent rape or sexual assault is on campuses, and who typically sits on these panels. As well students generally can’t be represented by counsel. It really does create a likely guilty until proven innocent result in many cases.
Getting expelled for sexual assault or rape is no small thing for the student’s future career or professional school admissions prospects. It’s a momentous thing. It’s certainly vastly worse than what the girl typically suffers in an ambiguous “date rape” – where she was sexually attracted and turned on, but merely struggling with LTR and anti slut defenses.
It seems if a college girl makes a complaint he’s likely gonna be expelled under this new very low standard of evidence, unless the whole sex act was done in front of witnesses or caught on cell phone video (as in the Hofstra case) – not exactly typical. Remember she might do so because she’s afraid otherwise she’ll get a slutty reputation, or the guy doesn’t follow up with dates, her boyfriend gets wind of what she did (as in the Hofstra case), she was a little tipsy and embarrassed about what she did and wants to shift the burden entirely to him, and so on. Yeah most girls won’t make a false rape claim for these reasons, but in today’s rad feminist campus environment, some will.
This is truly outrageous.
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The feminist line on campuses is that women rarely make false rape accusations. In fact they claim that the only do in 2% of cases. This has been demonstrated to be a wildly low estimate tracing back to a speech Susan Browmueller gave in the 1970s. The real rate of false reporting is more like 40% or even 60%, according to studies collected at the False Rape Society website. But that’s not believed by most feminists.
Given this backdrop, and also feminist vastly inflated fabrications about how prevalent sexual assault and date rape are at colleges, it seems to me that as soon as a girl makes a date rape allegation, and he can’t prove he wasn’t with her that night, that in that he said she said situation, he’s automatically guilty by “a preponderance of the evidence”.
This hands enormous one sided and discriminatory power over to women in the sexual mating dance on college campuses. It’s deeply wrong.
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That’s saddening, Doug.
Is there any practical legal defence for men? Is it illegal to videotape sex without knowledge or consent?
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Doug,
That scares the shit out of me.
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Thought experiment:
Suppose you opened a club in some remote and legally dubious jurisdiction with two rules:
(1) there will be a rigorous screening procedure for men to enter the club. Only alpha males will be allowed, judged for example by number of proven sexual encounters or celebrity status, e.g. actors, rock stars.
(2) if a woman enters the club, she is sexually fair game to any man; rape is not a crime in this place, and is in fact encouraged.
Would women go there? If I had a billion dollars, I would love to run this experiment.
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Todel–
No. Not many at all would.
Damn right they’d go to such a club if rape was still a crime there, so that they were case by case choosers. In fact they do; lots of clubs in NY, LA etc. with strict door policies try to approximate something like this.
Girls have varying preferences for different kinds of alphas. They want to be seduced. They want to be the choosers. Few want random sex. Even far out there girls who want to do gangbangs want to select the guys or have a lover they know and trust do it. She might get less selective once she gets going but that’s far outlier behavior. And only applies once she’s gotten started.
So no.
Most rape fantasies involve an alpha they knew beforehand and has specifically lusted after.
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slwerner says this is spearhead comments on this new directive:
Not if he had sex with her that night, unless there were witnesses to the whole consummation, or he video recorded it (as in the Hofstra case).
Every hookup or even date instance of campus sex no matter how consensual and even if she clearly says yes but lies about that subsequently, puts the guy at risk for date rape expulsion if the girl gets pissed at him for not becoming her exclusive bf, she’s embarrassed by having been so easy and afraid she’ll seem slutty to her circle of gf’s if she doesn’t report date rape, her bf gets wind of it, or once the beer goggles are off she feels he wasn’t quite up to the standard she likes to known for, and on and on.
Bear in mind that many campuses have systems where if she tells her gf’s it was date rape to seem less slutty, but doesn’t report the case, then student representatives can report the case without her say so, and a feminist lead investigation will be opened with her pressured to testify. So she’s put into a position of having to admit she lied to her gf’s, or tell lies about what happened with the guy to the investigators.
All this is in a campus false rape culture in which complete blame shift to males for anything she might later regret though she consented to and enthusiastically participated in at the time, is widespread.
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@Doug1 “Most rape fantasies involve an alpha they knew beforehand and has specifically lusted after.”
So you think that women don’t actually want to be raped, they want to be forcefully taken by an alpha male who they got to select, i.e. they want kinky consensual sex which is like a sort of “pretend rape”.
Have you read “My secret Garden” by Nancy Friday? A lot of the fantasies there are of rape or no-strings sex by faceless men, men in masks, dogs, etc. If the Nancy Friday stuff is true then maybe you underestimate the pervertedness of the fairer sex.
Maybe if you had a club full of convicted rapists and women could go there to be raped in a way such that no-one would find out about it, they would flock to it?
I genuinely do not know the truth of the matter here.
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Haven’t read that book no. Heard about it alot.
That or they want to be semi non consensually taken so far as their forebrain is concerned by a man that their hindbrain is lust for w/the knowledge of their forebrain — the forebrain just doesn’t want to take responsibility. A married woman who doesn’t want to cheat; the man’s of the wrong side of the tracks or race or religion if e.g. you’re a Muslim girl. Etc.
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condomless ain’t fun. I just had a terrible pregnancy experience in february. assumed she was on pills and filled the gas tank.
well it sure feels nice to cum inside, but wait till you get a girlfriend whom you know to take the pill.
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