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Reader Mailbag: Fast Times Edition

April 19, 2011 by CH

Email #1 is from a high school student who calls himself Inexperienced Gamer:

I found your blog a few months back and I loved it.  If any site has given me good advice, this is it.

I saw your ‘first experience with game‘ post a few weeks ago and it kind of struck a chord with me.  There’s this girl I went to school with a very long time ago, after which I left the school.  Now we’re in high school again, and she’s definitely raised her market value.

It’s clear that she’s into me, but I’m not in any of her classes (no chance, I’m AP) and any cross-curricular activities.  My question is, how can I approach (in a setting like this that isn’t, say, a nightclub or bar) without coming off as too forward?

First, I love it that Chateau-popularized concepts like “sexual market value” are infiltrating the high school halls. We’ve come a long way from passing notes and innocently day-dreaming about kissing the cute girl who sits in the front row.

Second, what is this “too forward” crap? You’ve gotta bust a move to get the girl. They aren’t just going to float into your lap. Man, I can remember my earliest years as a stripling seducer when I let a few juicy high school chicks go because I frittered away time thinking about how to arrange the perfect rendezvous with heavenly lights and trumpeting angels heralding my approach instead of walking up and talking.

AP classes tells me you are at the stage where you pride yourself on being smarter than most of your fellow students. You’re probably a little nerdy. Cold approaching fills you with apprehension. Amiright? Well, you’ll have to get over that. If you don’t share classes or activities, you’ve got options to meet her between classes or at the local hangout spot after school. Do you skate or anything like that? Do stuff outdoors where there’s a good chance she’ll stroll by with her friends. From there, it’s just a matter of accusing her of being a skateboard groupie. Find out what groups she’s in and arrange it so that you’re somewhere in the vicinity. It helps if she sees you chatting with other girls.

Your options are limitless. Don’t overthink it. Most important thing is to JUST SAY SOMETHING. Nod in her direction and say “Hey, come here.” There is a 99.9% chance she’ll come. Whatever you do, don’t fall back on the crutch of texting to hint at your feelings. That’s weak sauce.

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Email #2:

Big time fan of the truths exposed on this website, I’m currently facing an interesting challenge and could use the advice of a super-alpha in negotiating new territory.

This may seem superfluous, but I feel a quick synopsis of back story will help. I began with natural alpha qualities, but devolved to full on beta-dom after my parents had an ugly divorce and my highschool girlfriend dumped me (for being too beta). I exiled myself across the country for two years, and was contemplating ending it all when all old friend contacted me out of the blue to tell me about Roosh’s book Bang. I realized all of my problems resulted from being a Beta and having extremely poor inner game. I returned home and began living with my estranged alpha father (think Charlie Sheen light) and began revamping my personality while returning to my old practices of tearing through women and not caring of what other think of me.

Recently I found a woman who is different, and with the increasing levels of disclosure I feel as though more and more of the old beta is coming out inadvertently regardless of how conscious I am of it. While I commonly make her go get me a beer after sex, respond to requests to put the seat down with “fuck off”, and the only PDA I show is the occasional hug or hard slap on the ass I feel like I’m slipping. Outside of behaviors like these combined with approaching more women on nights off and being extremely aloof what can one do to continue as a true alpha? How exactly does one balance the beta and the alpha when in a relationship?

I appreciate any thoughts you have on the matter.

A good woman will test a man’s alpha resolve. Intense romantic feelings will play havoc with your game if you don’t know how to manage your emotions. (Most younger guys don’t.) If you remind yourself of this, you’ll get better at catching yourself when you slip into beta behavior.

Some of your actions seem a little over the top, however. Almost like caricatures of alpha behavior. Telling a girl to “fuck off” when she asks you to put down the toilet seat is unnecessarily harsh, unless I’m misreading the tone in which you say it. Remember: amused mastery is the zen-like state you should aim for. Better to tease her when the toilet seat issue comes up with something like “Would you like a frilly toilet seat cover to go with that request, your highness?”

But you may be dating a hardcore asshole lover, in which case a regularly scheduled “fuck off” is entirely appropriate and useful. On the other hand, you may be trolling all of us with your email. For the moment, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Once a relationship is solidified (usually after three months) you can afford some beta slippage. Girls do need to see signs of tenderness and commitment from men they are dating, after all. This is especially true if she’s acting like she’s in an exclusive relationship with you. So stop worrying and just don’t do anything egregious, like drop on bended knee.

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Email #3:

what’s the best reply to this shit test
“you just wanna get me drunk so you can take advantage of me.”

I replied with “yeah, i heard you’re easy”

Not a good reply. That’s a good way to trigger her anti-slut defenses. Better:

“My advantage… or yours?”

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Email #4 is from “Joe”:

I was born a beta. Several months ago, I discovered ‘game’ and your blog – since then I’ve made a conscious effort to become alpha. (I’m definitely not the finished article yet, but I’ll get there.)

If you wouldn’t mind helping a brother out, I’d really appreciate your advice on something. Here’s the backstory…

Sarah (HB8) and I have been friends for 18 months (we attend the same university in [redacted]). After seeing me apply what you teach on your blog, she started to like me. When she told me she liked me, I pretended I wasn’t sure about dating her (acting aloof)… then, a few days later, I arranged a date. This was back in November.

During the Christmas break (4 weeks), we only saw each other once… it was New Years and she couldn’t keep her hands off me. However, when I next saw her she acted very cold, and we broke-up shortly after.

Anyway, we hooked-up again in February and have been seeing each other ever since.

Now the Easter holidays have started and I won’t see her for another 3 weeks. In order to keep her sexually interested (unlike last time),what would your advice be with regarding to texting and calling her over the holidays?

Looking back, I acted too beta over the Christmas holidays, which is party why she was cold towards me. (For every two texts she sent me, I was sending three. And just thinking about some of the cheesey stuff I texted her makes me cringe inside!)

If it helps you, attached to this email is 3 weeks worth of text messages between me and Sarah. (I know there’s room for improvement. Reading through, it’s clear I still need to beat the shit out of the beta in me. But, hopefully, there’s enough alpha to show I’m learning from you and your blog.)

If you want to use some of my texts on the blog, you can – just edit the wording so the texts convey the same message without being a word-for-word replica.

You can be brutally honest in your feedback.

Thanks for any advice you can offer me,

– Joe.

P.S. She’s a 20-year-old virgin. We’ve done ‘everything but’ and last time we hooked-up, she was ready for sex… very stupidly, I had no condoms in my jacket. When we start fully sleeping together (hopefully next time I see her), she’ll probably fall in love with me and I want to give her the gift of being the best, most-alpha boyfriend she ever has.

Sudden cold shoulders are caused by one of four things, in descending order of likelihood:

1. She met someone else.

2. She thinks you’ve become beta.

3. You made her feel slutty, and the time apart exacerbated the awkwardness.

4. She’s weirdly religious.

In your case, you mention that you acted beta over the Christmas holidays, so let’s assume that was the case. You’re back together and she’s going away for another three weeks. You want to know how to prevent a repeat of the break-up drama that happened after the New Years make-out.

I suspect you are correct about your betaness, because I read through the text exchanges you had with this chick, and it’s clear to me you made yourself too available to her. Your texts are too long-winded, filled with too many Xs and Os, and too many emoticons. You nearly always end the text exchange instead of letting a little mystery linger by allowing her to have the last text.

This is a girl who’s already broken up with you once, and you two have only been dating since February. Plus, (and most relevantly), YOU HAVEN’T BANGED HER YET. Therefore, it’s too soon to litter her inbox with winks and kissy-kissy XXs at the end of every text you send her. It smacks of clinginess. Give her room to miss you, to think about you. I wouldn’t even bother texting her more than a couple of times over the holidays. Let her fret a bit about what you may be doing with your free time away from her. When you do text her, keep it much shorter than you’ve been doing. Don’t be curt, but don’t be effusive either. A short, snappy joke, or a sly sexual reference is all you need. When she responds, try to refrain from replying, unless you must.

She may be a genuinely nice girl who loves you in all your glorious betatude, but that’s not the way to bet. Check yourself, governor.

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  1. on April 19, 2011 at 4:12 pm Tinderbox

    No woman is different. No woman is immune from or has a dispensation from needing to be gamed. Put no woman on a pedestal.

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  2. on April 19, 2011 at 4:39 pm Sunto

    Ditch the shoe lifts. Go with boots (can you pull off Japanese Cowboy?)

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  3. on April 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm Paul

    You could just for volume like Richard Feynman. Granted, he was also a famous physicist.

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  4. on April 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm Anonymous

    Email #1 is one lucky motherfucker. Study hard here at the Chateau and major in the crimson arts.

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  5. on April 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm The Private Man

    This blog always dispenses good advice for the younger generations.

    In the days before the internet and even cell phones, there was a book called “How to Pick Up Girls” by a guy named Eric Weber. Perhaps it was the first research and application of Game?

    It was advertised in almost every issue of Rolling Stone magazine.

    We beta chumps looked down on such things as beneath us. We were all so smart and didn’t need such help.

    Of course, we weren’t getting laid, either.

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  6. on April 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm BobStuan

    “you just wanna get me drunk so you can take advantage of me.”

    Lean forward, brush her hair from her ear and move your body in real close to drive up the tension sky-high, saying “I don’t need you drunk for that”, then pull back and say “now you and your sister, and best friend…mmmmhmmmm….” (or mom/cousin/whomever)

    Think of it as extreme “agree & amplify” using physical dominance and tension to drive her emotions through the stratosphere. It’s pretty advanced push-pull, so not really for n00bs though.

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  7. on April 19, 2011 at 5:04 pm Paul

    Private Man,

    Not even close. See Ovid. And of course many came before him, though i’m sure much was not written down.

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  8. on April 19, 2011 at 5:04 pm luvsic

    “On the other hand, you may be trolling all of us with your email.”

    This.

    “When she responds, try to refrain from replying, unless you must.”

    Some girls are sharper than others and start ending all of their replies with questions when you become less available. Any advice for him here?

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  9. on April 19, 2011 at 5:12 pm WHITE MAN

    If Chinaman wants to improve his chances with white girls, he might give contrast game a shot. Asian guys are really easy to stereotype because, frankly, they are all exactly the same. So adopting a fashion style, lifestyle or set of hobbies that are strikingly non-Asian will help set him apart from the public-square-in-Pyongyang-of-choreographed-ant-colony-hive-swarms that we all know Asians borg into.

    The above commenter who mentioned cowboy boots is a good example. Something masculine that you can pull off and that no other Asians will be doing.

    Looking out for my Eurasian cousins, the strange branch of the family.

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  10. on April 19, 2011 at 5:14 pm Woof

    Got #3. My response, with confused look “Why would I?”. She was all over me after that.

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  11. on April 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm Anonymous

    Email #5–Do not play video games, ever.

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  12. on April 19, 2011 at 5:23 pm Anonymous

    Hey, short guys. Check this out:

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  13. on April 19, 2011 at 5:28 pm forty-something

    Ok, I’m sold on the game thing. I’m mid-forty something and just about to sign the papers for my divorce from a messed up-personality disordered woman.

    My question to you is this: I have a little game but I am mostly beta. That’s ok with me. I honestly don’t really want to be screwing for the sake of screwing. Just not what I am about at this stage of my life. If I am attracted to her and like her I will. But here’s my end goal: Have enough game to find the right hottie to be with for the rest of my life. Not right away, cuz I do NEED to see what I like and don’t like. It’s been 22 years folks.

    I’m looking for 2 things: 1) the right way to attract the right women in online dating and 2) I won’t be going to many bars so my social circle will be friends. Help me get anti beta at least to attract the 37-48 year old beauty.

    What I have to work with:
    I’m fit at 6’1″ 190 lbs. with a 32-33″ waist. I’m about a 7-8 face/hair-wise in looks. Monetarily, I’m working on it but she’s cleaned me out pretty good in the divorce. I have a good job but looking for a better one. I’m very quick witted and pretty damn funny but not at all vulgar with my humor. Not my style. So, don’t tell me to go lay by my dish because I am forty-something. Game is needed no matter the age, just wondering how much and how to right now…

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  14. on April 19, 2011 at 5:30 pm Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    “The other guy played the field a bit and then settled down to marry… wait for it… a black Brazilian chick with a righteous ass.”

    LaFawnduh ftw..

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  15. on April 19, 2011 at 5:37 pm Paul

    Depends,

    playing video games when ur GF is cooking for you can be alpha, as you obviously have nothing better to do but helping her doesn’t even occur to you.

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  16. on April 19, 2011 at 5:39 pm Woof

    Regarding #4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfx7izBNHeI

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  17. on April 19, 2011 at 5:40 pm luvsic

    Asian guy, I know several shorter, unattractive asians in LA who do very well w/ high social proof (they’re involved in club and party promotion or organizers for local business happy hour affairs). They aren’t necessarily ballers, but their network is huge.

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  18. on April 19, 2011 at 5:48 pm Hitman

    @ Dr. Noisewater – I swear to Christ I thought the same thing

    I don’t know many Asian males but the ones I see out at bars have zero problems getting pussy. Unless of course they are the type of Asian with the huge waterhead.

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  19. on April 19, 2011 at 5:52 pm Flahute

    Asian guy, email #5 –
    Check out Tony Leung Chiu-Wai in the film 2046, specifically the story arc where he’s banging the whore across the hall. Be alpha like that. He’s only around 5’7″ but has a heavy presence.

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  20. on April 19, 2011 at 5:59 pm d

    At the end of the day, GAME trumps all.

    A guy can be:

    1.Ugly
    2.Stupid
    3. A midget
    4. Poor
    5. A Criminal
    6.Short

    It simply doesn’t matter. If you take the time to learn and master game you can bang anywhere anytime.

    Learn game. It is the key ….thank goodness.

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  21. on April 19, 2011 at 6:02 pm peckerwood

    #3 is an interesting shit test. On one hand, it dovetails with yesterday’s post. Maybe she’s encouraging you. But I’d like to know the situation cause I’ve seen some lost beta-puppies (think of the Breakup where Vince tells dude to get her apple martinis, and dude totally puppy dog does get her apple martinis) try this and totally lose congruency (the “hey let’s do shots” fail by someone who can’t hold his liquor or the booze makes him ouchy in the mouth).

    Anyway, I like woof’s response but agree and amplify to a “yuppp!” could be fun.

    One girl who I innocently took out drinking after work said she wanted to drink with me because I wouldn’t try to take advantage of her. I actually blurted out, “nope, you’re hot, I probably would.” I even apologized when she’s like “what?” We still went out drinking and, sure enough, she ended up banging me on the trampoline in her parent’s backyard. So, agreeing or deflecting can work, calling her a slut…not so much.

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  22. on April 19, 2011 at 6:11 pm Insight

    Not another post on game. When are we going to get a good HBD post?

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  23. on April 19, 2011 at 6:26 pm Ludwig

    I miss the days when Roissy wrote all the posts.

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  24. on April 19, 2011 at 6:28 pm gig

    #1

    In my high school, every Friday (It’s Friday, Friday, Friday!!!) we had some students’ rock – or country – band show. Asking if there is a show next Friday would be my choice in those days. There was also always some external event happening, like a trip to the countryside, or the school’s band going to another city. There are lots of things happening in any high school which are not directly related to classes that could be the subject of your first question to her

    Lean forward, brush her hair from her ear and move your body in real close to drive up the tension sky-high, saying “I don’t need you drunk for that”, then pull back and say “now you and your sister, and best friend…mmmmhmmmm….” (or mom/cousin/whomever

    Unless you are Bond, James Bond, himself, that will backfire. What do you do next? Teletrasnport throughout time to the Titanic, embrace her from behind, lift her arms and shout “Rose, we are flying”?!?!

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  25. on April 19, 2011 at 6:39 pm Bhetti

    hax10^5 @ Insight.
    Check this video out, shocking:

    WTF? I went to their blog/website… noticed they have zero suggestions as to how ‘no borders’ is practical on any economic or cultural level, that its actually triply disastrous in a welfare uber alles state such as the UK.

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  26. on April 19, 2011 at 6:40 pm xerxes

    lifts or just going a half shoe size bigger and throwing in a dr scholls help tremendously – going from 5 8in to 510 attracts much more vaginer.

    Buff helps – the hamster likes a big roiling caveman.
    And of course a few bucks in your pocket help – both with vaginers and with your confidence.

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  27. on April 19, 2011 at 6:59 pm laker lynx

    Forty-something: I was in your shoes about a year ago. While learning how to approach, generate attraction, etc., are all vital, don’t forget inner game. Now is a great time to confront any inner demons that are the root cause of a lack of confidence. When you have done this, you will be content with yourself, not needy, like most men. It’s the best game I have discovered as it does not require you to memorize a bunch of scripts or even be particularly clever.

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  28. on April 19, 2011 at 7:07 pm askjoe

    “lean forward…”

    “I don’t need you drunk for that.”

    hmmm. maybe teletransport to before you delivered those lines. Way too um serious and not fun. Why not make a roofie joke instead, that’s pretty advanced.

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  29. on April 19, 2011 at 7:16 pm gig

    WTF? I went to their blog/website… noticed they have zero suggestions as to how ‘no borders’ is practical on any economic or cultural level, that its actually triply disastrous in a welfare uber alles state such as the UK

    I kind of relate. whenever you go to nightclubs, it is a fact that girls usually arrive much earlier. So the male/female ratio only deteriorates throughout the night.

    Let him cast the first stone he who, arriving early in the club, didn’t want to “seal the border”so no one else would enter

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  30. on April 19, 2011 at 7:18 pm Mpnt

    I’m a white guy and I’ve dated all kinds (favorite = fertile crescent / middle east). I was once involved with a black chick who was extremely sexually confident and very sexually accomplished. Smokin hot, educated, party animal, very comfortable in a $1 budweiser bar or a $10k minimum table. Dated several NFL players, popular DJs, club owners, the whole nine yards (why she chose me remains a mystery, although a pleasant mystery which I often contemplate in quiet moments).

    She confided in me that her ideal man, and again this is coming from an extremely sexually active chick, was asian. Her second choice was black, third white. The reason – bone structure and skin clarity. She would laud asian guys to the high heavens any chance she got. The reasons she didnt mess around with more of them are predictable and solvable: lack of social confidence, not super athletic, tend to be very clique-y, etc.

    If you and I were homies, I would say you are sitting pretty. You have a natural tan, generally decent bone structure, you’re almost certainy skinny, and I suspect you are above average at math. Not a bad hand to be dealt, right?

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  31. on April 19, 2011 at 7:36 pm Strike While Hot

    As a shorter man (5’7″) I have found that you don’t need lifts or bigger shoes to compensate. For mere appearance merely wear clothes that actually fit you. A short man in a jacket, pants, or shirt that are too big makes him look even smaller. Get your shit tailored for a nice slim fit. Jackets and blazers should fall no further than the first knuckle on your thumb. Shirts should be no longer than 3-4″ past your waist. Sleeves should not bunch at the wrist either. Also, most important, get your pants hemmed with no break. The bottom of your trouser should graze the top of your shoe. This goes for jeans too. Avoid having material bunched up on your ankle. Simply having a proper break in a man’s trouser makes him visually appear to be at least an inch taller.

    If you still want an extra boost, no need to get lifts or wear elevator shoes. Just shove a big insert that you can get from the drug store into your shoe. This will give you about a 1/4″ boost with the visual equivalent being about 3/4-1″.

    If after this you really, really need an additional boost then you can look at lifts or elevator shoes. Personally, I have tried these and strongly dislike them. They throw me out of proportion and make me look like “something is just a little off”.

    Other than that, GAME is the key to overcoming height. Women will glance you over in a crowd because of your height, but if you can approach and open properly most will quickly dismiss your height unless they are towering over you. I tend to go for women no more than 2-3″ taller than me and it works well. Any more and it is a handicap that takes a lot of game to overcome.

    Also, if I notice I am in a bar, club, or restaurant with a bunch of giant men I just leave and go elsewhere. That is unless I notice there are a sufficient number of smaller women around. I find that women under about 5’2″ are turned off by excessively tall men. Maybe it is pure logistics, perhaps having some huge Nephilim pounding away at your small 5’0″ gina might just be a turn off, but I don’t know. That is just my general observation.

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  32. on April 19, 2011 at 7:39 pm Doug1

    Forty something

    Help me get anti beta at least to attract the 37-48 year old beauty.

    You should be able to get early thirties girls.

    On game, here’re suggestions where to start, made to a guy who asked the same question yesterday or the day before at Rivelino’s blog:

    http://alpharivelino.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/game-for-beginners/

    and this is a start as to what to look for in your reading, or a kind of structure for it:

    http://alpharivelino.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/doug-on-key-game-concepts/

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  33. on April 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm john

    being an asian guy sucks. not to piss and moan on this issue, but all the talk about it being harder for asians in the dating market is true. just a part of life you have to get over unless you want to be a miserable loser.

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  34. on April 19, 2011 at 8:16 pm walawala

    Email #2

    “”While I commonly make her go get me a beer after sex, respond to requests to put the seat down with “fuck off”, and the only PDA I show is the occasional hug or hard slap on the ass I feel like I’m slipping.””

    I find myself in this situation with a girl who is very much into alpha and that’s how I gamed her.

    She bangs the hell out of me, she’s otherwise submissive, always available.

    But she also shit-tests and has questions like: “Do you really love me?”

    Realizing she gets that I’m alpha and wants some signs I’m not a robot…

    I’d say: “No…I just love you….”really” is pushing it.”

    She cracks up.

    I get her to do things.

    But sometimes she’ll insist on me making arrangements like buying movie tickets.

    To which I’ll push back and maybe finally agree to it with a look.

    Is that beta back-sliding?

    I think I’m now seeing that context is everything. It’s the give her enough rope. The “beta provider” game.

    As long as your inner game is confident and you know that you’re role-playing beta for a longer-term alpha move, I’m finding that it’s not beta-backsliding at all.

    This is tricky.

    I think it’s the balance of behaviours that needs to be alpha and that makes doing a few nice things for her not beta but perhaps a “prize” for her to let her “think” she’s getting the upper hand.

    Thoughts?

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  35. on April 19, 2011 at 8:21 pm walawala

    what’s the best reply to this shit test
    “you just wanna get me drunk so you can take advantage of me.”

    I replied with “yeah, i heard you’re easy”

    xxxx

    I’ve had versions of this.

    My reply would depend on the context.

    One thing you could do is use the same techniques for Last Minute Resistance.

    Rather than react, suddenly go cold and suggest getting a drink or tea or something.

    If I’ve been in that situation and I get resistance.

    Another response would be the Agree and Amply.

    “you just want to get me drunk so you can take advantage….”

    Me: Smile….and say… Hmmmm…If THAT’S how you feel, then YOU get the next round…

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  36. on April 19, 2011 at 8:22 pm The Shocker

    For your consideration, hamstertalk a girl sent via hamsterbook:

    “And so, it comes to this again. Funny how much we suck at communication but damn have we written some pretty deep facebook messages in our time. Maybe its that I still don’t understand our relationship, cuz I always question if it is appropriate to text you, or to talk to you simply because i feel like saying hi. I know I’m just a second thought to you, that you don’t care to talk to me if not in your timing, and that I’m the one constantly initiating contact. I’m sorry for nagging – I don’t wanna be that girl and I’m sure you don’t want that either. You were right. I hate you. There you go. You win – you did it. You made me hate you – time to move on. I hate you for trying to make me hate you just so you could hate me. And I hate you for then not hating me. I hate you forever walking past me and for playing with my heart.
    You make me crazy. You make me freakin’ crazy. Fuck you, [name removed]. Fuck you. You are the sweetest asshole and best smooth-talker I’ve ever met. I never can tell when you’re being sincere or completely full of shit. And I’ve lost trust. I tried to give you a chance, to meet you in the middle and you – you just used me. I realize that this endless cycle, these stupid games you enjoy playing are simply to spite me and see how far you can get me to go next time around. I know you think I’m a joke and that you share all our messages (including this one) with the guys and laugh about all the lies you’ve made me believe and the shit you’ve had to put up with from me. Go ahead, show them – I really don’t care.
    And I’m sorry. I’m sorry I hurt you, that I shut you down and bailed on that first dinner you asked me out on all in an attempt to avoid such hurt on both ends. I’m sorry your feelings toward me have changed, that you feel you must get back at me and take all I can possibly give. But honestly, if you just want a hook-up I’m sure you could do way better than me and find more somewhere else, so please just stop this. I never asked anything of you or wanted anything serious – that was all you and that’s why I reacted the way I did when we first met – I was scared, scared of this.
    It’s hard to accept the fact that I’ve been played, that there’s another side to you I never see. I don’t believe you’re a horrible person with evil intentions, in any respect, but rather this is a shield you’ve put up to avoid any emotional attachment. I don’t know what you want still – you stole my heart and left me emotionally drained – I have nothing left to give. I don’t need this – I don’t need you. I may be naive, but I’m not dumb. I get it. I forgive you, but I can’t do this anymore.
    I don’t know why I can’t seem to heed the advice of those around me to stop giving you chances and just forget you. I know this may all be a total waste my time, that you don’t give a damn what I think, but I suppose I just keep hoping that guy I let down my guard for all those months ago may come around again. I don’t give up easily I guess and for some God-forsaken reason, you’re not so easy to forget either. And though a part of me wishes I could rewind to how I felt when I was writing you from Hawaii, what’s done is done, and I can honestly say it was fun while it lasted.
    Really, I was just hoping for a chance to say good-bye. And though this seems sort of tacky, the fact that you can’t bare to talk to me sober even for coffee and have further avoided communication with me, leads me to believe you have no interest in seeing me and this is how we must part. I hope you have a great summer and enjoy celebrating your birthday. And yes, though I do believe I will miss you at first, don’t let it go to your head cuz that will quickly be remedied.
    And so, in short, good-bye.

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  37. on April 19, 2011 at 8:26 pm Paul

    Most important thing i find with GFs is simply to issue orders. If you have properly gamed her, she does not process them as orders, but rather opportunities to please you.

    The orders need not be monumental tasks, but rather simple things that take any responsibility for decision making away form her.

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  38. on April 19, 2011 at 8:36 pm Strike While Hot

    Forty Something –

    You will hear a lot of people involved in game talk about the best “method” or “approach”. They will also use terms like “sarging”, “negging”, “push-pull”, and on and on and on. Some will spend countless hours putting down one “method” over another, mostly in an attempt to sell their own game method. What being Alpha means boils down to just a few things – confidence, aloofness, mystery, and intrigue. If you have some semblance of these 4 qualities you will do well.

    First, you need to get some confidence and rid yourself of a fear of rejection. Start with fear of rejection. Join an online dating site like chemistry.com or eharmony.com. These are easier than other sites because they pair you up with daily “matches” and you don’t have to browse endless profiles. Put up a profile and just start communicating with everyone you are matched with. It doesn’t matter if they are fat, ugly, or a smoking 10 (there are none of those online anyhow). Women online are cruel and reject men on a daily basis. The fact that you will be rejected countless times will norm you to the fact that rejection is normal, should not be feared, and makes you stronger.

    Now, you need to build confidence in yourself. The way I did this back in the day was to haggle with car salesmen, the shiftier the better. I spent about a year going car shopping every other Saturday. I had absolutely no intention in buying a car, I merely wanted to interact with someone trying to give me the hard sale and haggle with them. This helped me build confidence and I also became one heck of a bargainer.

    Aloofness is an easy. Just put that shit down. In the beginning make it a point to turn off your cell phone in the evening. Get your ass off of Facebook. Don’t respond to email. It is easy to adopt the trait of aloofness because you don’t have to do anything. After a few months of inaction, you will become normed to it.

    Mystery is also an easy trait to adapt. Read obscure shit. Get some trade journals from niche professions, read about a specialized segment of history, travel some place interesting and take lots of photos, strip your apartment of anything personal, and if you have a house get a lock installed on one room (even if it is just a closet) and never let a woman into it. Also do something like take up an obscure hobby. The one I chose was artisan bookbinding.

    Intrigued sort of goes a long with the mystery aspect. You need to keep women guessing. They love a puzzle they can’t figure out. If the first time you met them you were in a business suit, mix it up the second time with a leather jacket. If you have the cash, do something like get tickets to a local black tie gala and call them up the day of telling them to throw on a sexy dress and meet you at 7. Then, the next time you see them take them to a shitty bar. The saying “opposites attract” is true – it just refers to a man with successful contrast game.

    A few good places to start is by reading this entire blog from day 1, getting the Mystery Method, and Bang is also decent. Read these, make yourself a game plan, and execute. You will do fine.

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  39. on April 19, 2011 at 8:40 pm Nice Young Ladies

    OT

    saw this in the paper this morning

    The young, single, ‘jealous’ women barring you from jobs: Attractive women who attach photo to CV ‘LESS likely to be employed’

    http://m.dailymail.co.uk/mobile/news/article.html?articleID=1378298

    might be a post in it for you roissy

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  40. on April 19, 2011 at 8:51 pm Confidunce

    @forty-something:

    Keep reading this blog. And mention on your online dating post that you initiated the divorce. Women love a man who rejects other women.

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  41. on April 19, 2011 at 9:07 pm Josef Jonze

    what’s roissy’s email????

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  42. on April 19, 2011 at 9:10 pm (R)Evolutionary

    “Each individual pick-up attempt is a singular world in which you are the surveyor of your kingdom. Don’t let bell curves, statistics and numbers pollute that world. Keep it in the moment.”

    hmm.. very good…

    hold up…

    “Each individual *moment of life* is a singular world in which you are the surveyor of your kingdom. Don’t let bell curves, statistics and numbers pollute that world. Keep it in the moment.”

    There..Roissy the Jedi FTW.

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  43. on April 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm Hurst

    preach it Ludwig…

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  44. on April 19, 2011 at 9:17 pm stardust

    I’m a (female) teacher and have had a short but intense relationship with an Asian student. I teach private classes, by the way. I had NEVER thought I’d be involved with a student, and had honestly never considered being with an Asian man either, simply because I didn’t feel attracted enough.
    It may not seem like it, but I am a very serious professional, engaged in various academic activities, well respected in my field. I’ve always been careful with male students because I know I’m attractive and sometimes they tend to cross the line. All to say that I’m not naive. And I’m not ugly. At all.

    yet I did fall for him. And it lasted long after HE dumped me.

    Why? Attitude. Game, basically. I know game, recognize it and enjoy it. He knew exactly what to do. And it didn’t matter that he was my student, I risked myself. It didn’t matter that he was Asian, I felt very attracted. None of this really matters if you know what you’re doing.
    So my advice would be: learn it. Use it. Enjoy the results.

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  45. on April 19, 2011 at 9:18 pm Is it that late?

    @ forty-something – Ok, I’m sold on the game thing.

    I’m mid-50’s and recently divorced. Started reading Roissy a couple of years ago, and changed my working model of how women work. Seeing is believing. Met a 25-year old really cute lithe girl a few weeks ago, batted down her “I’m in a relationship” line, got her number, and went out with her once already. She’s still interested in getting together again. Two years ago, I never thought this could work. Part of me says WTF? the other says go with the flow. This may sound like a product testimonial, but game works. And if I can game a 25-year old, someone closer to my age…… well, NP.

    Inner game can’t be understated so pay attention to where you are. I do lots of unusual things, and so always have verbal spells to weave at the drop of a hat. Other Roissy maxims like work on more than one girl at a time to avoid succumbing to the female reactor core beta rays of neediness; and leading girls on adventures rather than taking a linear path change everything. Can’t thank Roissy and the posters enough. Truly life altering.

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  46. on April 19, 2011 at 9:45 pm Johnycomelately

    Asian Dude

    My mate is Asian, 5’4 and picks up white chicks with ease, its a state of mind.

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  47. on April 19, 2011 at 9:46 pm tacomaster

    @ nice young ladies–
    I agree 100% with your link. I’ve seen that firsthand myself. I work in the medical field and besides the Dr, I’m the only other guy on staff. We were looking for a few more employees and I noticed the feminazis in the office would throw out resumes before showing them to the office manager because “she’s too cute”, “too young” or my favorite “too thin”. Just shows you how much women look out for other women.

    Can someone give me some advice? Been married a year, consider myself pretty Alpha (more when I was not married). Is it possible for a woman not to be interested in sex? My wife tells me to tone it down (we do it maybe once a week to 10 days). She has told me recently she wishes I were more of a “nice guy” i.e “a mother’s boy” type because I was making fun of her sister’s boyfriend who is ultra Beta. Is this normal? I’m so confused. Sorry for the rabbit trail guys.

    [Editor: Once a week? And she’s telling you to tone it down? Jesus mary and joseph. What an advertisement for avoiding marriage. By way of comparison, I’m a once a day, sometimes twice a day, occasionally five times a day guy with my lovers. And all without the threat of financial rape.]

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  48. on April 19, 2011 at 9:56 pm Strike While Hot

    Tacomaster-

    First, an alpha never apologizes. Never say you are “sorry”.

    Second, you should have never got married. If you don’t have kids you might want to undo that shit ASAP.

    Third, see Roissy’s most recent post. Bulldoze through those “no…no…nooo…ok….yes” moments. If she is telling you to back off, that means she really wants you to get more aggressive. You are too Beta for her in the bedroom. Her protests mean the exact opposite of what she is saying. Throw her ass on the bed and stick it in her ass. She will love it and respect you more.

    Don’t care about her damn “feelings” or shit like that. Just caveman through it and you will be fine.

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  49. on April 19, 2011 at 9:56 pm hippopotimus

    Chapelle on feminism. Start at 6:45

    (I’ve never embedded a vid so don’t know if it’ll work)

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  50. on April 19, 2011 at 10:47 pm Anonymous

    I’m Asian too, 5’7. I wasn’t even aware of the notion that white chicks tend not to like Asian guys until somebody told me that in college, because ever since I came to the States (in high school), I just had no problems getting girls of whichever race.

    Like other guys have said, inner game is very important – if you’re talking to a girl, don’t be thinking ‘she may not like me because I’m Asian,’ that will kill your confidence which will then kill your game. Instead, what you want is for her to be thinking ‘will he like me even though I’m not Asian?’ and have her win you over. The thing about contrast game is also true, girls often tell me that they’ve never dated an Asian before but that I’m different from all the other Asians they know.

    Also, if you want examples of short unattractive Asian guys that are good with women, go on youtube and search ‘Asian playboy’ or ‘DJ Fuji’

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  51. on April 19, 2011 at 11:20 pm Doug1

    walawala and reader #3

    what’s the best reply to this shit test
    “you just wanna get me drunk so you can take advantage of me.”

    I replied with “yeah, i heard you’re easy”

    Often the best way to reply to stuff like that is the way a hot girl might.

    “No, you haven’t won me over yet. I’m not that easy.”

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  52. on April 19, 2011 at 11:27 pm Doug1

    walawala–

    I think it’s the balance of behaviours that needs to be alpha and that makes doing a few nice things for her not beta but perhaps a “prize” for her to let her “think” she’s getting the upper hand.

    Thoughts?

    In a relationship or even a fling you do need to do nice, comfort giving things for her. Never in a suplicating or obligated way. In a generous, caring about her way.

    I think Roissy’s 2:3 ratio comes into play here. Two nice attention giving things for her to her three for you. Though I sometimes make it 1:2 or even 1:3.

    Calibration to the girl though. If she’s chasing you, always tries to be available, is submissive to you, sexually into you, you’re doing stuff right. If she’s getting flaky, getting bitchy, other things get in the way when there’s no compelling reason, etc., need more alpha.

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  53. on April 19, 2011 at 11:44 pm tacomaster

    [Editor: Once a week? And she’s telling you to tone it down? Jesus mary and joseph. What an advertisement for avoiding marriage. By way of comparison, I’m a once a day, sometimes twice a day, occasionally five times a day guy with my lovers. And all without the threat of financial rape.]

    Ah yes, I remember those days of juggling several different women. She knows how I am but now that we got married she wants to pussify/neuter me and totally withdraw from sex. I still am sarcastic/cocky to her when she does her shit tests (even around her family which I’m pretty sure makes her sister tingle). I’m just wondering why she would want me to do a complete 180 now that I’m married. Does this shit ever get better? How do you tell someone you want a divorce?

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  54. on April 19, 2011 at 11:44 pm Doug1

    tacomaster–

    Can someone give me some advice? Been married a year, consider myself pretty Alpha (more when I was not married). Is it possible for a woman not to be interested in sex? My wife tells me to tone it down (we do it maybe once a week to 10 days). She has told me recently she wishes I were more of a “nice guy” i.e “a mother’s boy” type because I was making fun of her sister’s boyfriend who is ultra Beta. Is this normal? I’m so confused. Sorry for the rabbit trail guys.</blockquote

    Sex once a week or every two days one year into a marriage is pathetic.

    I agree if you don't have kids yet I'd seriously consider getting a divorce. One year in the marital assets can't have built too much and not even Mass. would order alimony. I'd start by telling my wife that it's wholly insufficient so far as you're concerned and that if she isn't more forthcoming you're gonna have to get some side action. If she threatens divorce say that might just be a good idea if she's not interested in being more sexual.

    Then flirt with other girls in front of her. This is to get her hot because jealous. Sexualize her jealousy. Have the frame you're doing nothing wrong. She's lucky you don't leave her. Take her feminism on full on. Tell her part of why most men and certainly you got married was for frequent assured sex.

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  55. on April 19, 2011 at 11:53 pm Doug1

    *or every ten days

    Does this shit ever get better?

    Not unless you take action. Even then the signs are bad. I say that because it sounds like you haven’t gone that beta. Seems like she mostly just has a low libido. How much sex did you get from her pre marriage?

    I’d do two things. 1) lay out your dissatisfaction and say to her maybe marrying her was a mistake. Yeah you care about her but you also expect frequent enthusiastic sex. 2) go more alpha on her despite her protests. Make her feel insecure.

    In the end though I lean towards divorce. You obviously didn’t get a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce. I.e. no alimony period, and assets accumulated during the marriage split according who bought and owns them or if that’s complicated proportional to income during the marriage.

    How do you tell someone you want a divorce?

    “If I don’t get more frequent and enthusiastic sex from you, this isn’t working for me. You’ll either have to agree to my getting some on the side, or I’ll have to move for divorce.”

    The trouble with that agreement though is that it has no weight in court in a no prenup divorce.

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  56. on April 19, 2011 at 11:55 pm Doug1

    Toastmaster–

    She knows how I am but now that we got married she wants to pussify/neuter me and totally withdraw from sex.

    Divorce.

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  57. on April 20, 2011 at 12:25 am cheshirecat

    So keep breathing, sensei.

    Um, “sensei” is a teacher or person of respect (you), not the emailer. Careful with the gratuitous Japanese. 😉

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  58. on April 20, 2011 at 12:52 am walawala

    @Doug1

    Calibration is the key but once you’ve discovered the success of gaming, it’s takes some real emotional intelligence to avoid over-gaming.

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  59. on April 20, 2011 at 12:59 am Rum

    TacoMan
    This is not going to end well. Divorce is inevitable. Start taking notes about everything. Put a key stroke recorder on her PC. (Easy) Get set to find out that she is already sucking strange cock.
    Faltering interest in fucking = faltering interest in fucking you.
    One time I made a serious effort to kill all of the beloved pets of a 22 year old hottie. Some of them survived… Anyway, she came crying to me, “What did I do wrong?”
    There is only one groove and it is narrow, cruel, and harsh.

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  60. on April 20, 2011 at 1:29 am Dan

    Roissy, you have got to get a load of this:

    The woman who falsely accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her in 2006 was charged Monday with murder in the death of her boyfriend.

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  61. on April 20, 2011 at 1:39 am AM

    roissy is such a sweetheart

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  62. on April 20, 2011 at 2:04 am Rum

    Crystal G. Mangum tried to kill a cop several years before she try-ed to end the lives of the innocent Duke LAX guys.
    A Sane justice system would do what was needed to protect ordinary people from her sort. Whatever was needed.

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  63. on April 20, 2011 at 2:04 am xsplat

    Paul

    Most important thing i find with GFs is simply to issue orders. If you have properly gamed her, she does not process them as orders, but rather opportunities to please you.

    The orders need not be monumental tasks, but rather simple things that take any responsibility for decision making away form her.

    This is THE main principle of long term relationship game.

    You’ve hit on it.

    Accustom the girl to taking orders. Eventually she will feel that every time you ask her to do a menial task, you are telling her that the two of you share a bond and that you rely on her and that she is your little (cherished) bitch.

    If you know how to do two things, your lover will be as deep into you as the most psycho stalker.

    1) fuck
    2) give orders

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  64. on April 20, 2011 at 2:14 am xsplat

    [Editor: Once a week? And she’s telling you to tone it down? Jesus mary and joseph. What an advertisement for avoiding marriage. By way of comparison, I’m a once a day, sometimes twice a day, occasionally five times a day guy with my lovers. And all without the threat of financial rape.]

    Yup. I’m down to just one girlfriend now, and it’s driving me batty. Once a day and I’ve got the shivers. Serious sex withdrawl. Bad enough I’m considering bringing the mentally unstable previously great live previously live in girl back into my life, if she first can seduce a bixexual teenager to join us.

    Like many guys, I fund that having more than one girl actually increases the amount of sex each get. Fucking one makes me immediately need to fuck the other.

    Once a week is a poor excuse for poor excuse. Don’t people realize that there is no afterlife?

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  65. on April 20, 2011 at 3:31 am Audrey

    “If I don’t get more frequent and enthusiastic sex from you, this isn’t working for me. You’ll either have to agree to my getting some on the side, or I’ll have to move for divorce.”

    Whenever you read a ” quote ” from doug its important to realize that it’s a two step process:
    1) get the relevant ideas
    2) translate into the actual speech used by normal people
    lol

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  66. on April 20, 2011 at 3:38 am Melody

    “Weaksauce” really Roissy? I think that someone has been watching way too much Bad Girls Club.

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  67. on April 20, 2011 at 3:38 am xsplat

    As opposed to your posts, Audrey, which are much simpler to deal with. A quick tap on the page down button and all the worth of your post is dealt with appropriately.

    The problem comes when too much caffeine and a speed-reading habit causes one to parse your post before hitting the brakes.

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  68. on April 20, 2011 at 3:44 am Audrey

    A quick tap on the page down button and all the worth of your post is dealt with appropriately.

    Hey I don’t write posts that are a whole page long. Lol make it fit on a business card, and all that.

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  69. on April 20, 2011 at 3:47 am xsplat

    You don’t enough worthwhile to say to fill up a postage stamp.

    I howl out volumes of prose poetry that hold insight, inform, and amuse.

    Your worth is negative.

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  70. on April 20, 2011 at 3:54 am Audrey

    Right well, you should work on “be able to joke a bit” along with those other things. Someone who get’s laid as much as you shouldn’t fly off the handle so easily no?

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  71. on April 20, 2011 at 4:07 am Gorbachev

    <[Editor: Once a week? And she's telling you to tone it down? Jesus mary and joseph. What an advertisement for avoiding marriage. By way of comparison, I'm a once a day, sometimes twice a day, occasionally five times a day guy with my lovers. And all without the threat of financial rape.]

    Unless you want children.

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  72. on April 20, 2011 at 4:21 am Gorbachev

    Last letter, Asian guy:

    Korean men I know in Korea and the US who bang white chicks are never the most attractive or well-connected guys. Or rich. They’re social and forward and have a bit of asshole built in.

    In other words, they have game.

    I know a few Chinese guys who mop the floor with most white guys. One guy I went to college with was famous for banging chicks and dropping them. He was a funny drunk and the more women he banged, the more women wanted him.

    I was marginally jealous at the time.

    being Asian is no excuse for being a loser in the SMP.

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  73. on April 20, 2011 at 4:58 am xsplat

    you should work on “be able to joke a bit” along with those other things.

    Oh, I missed it – did you make a funny?

    One reason that I can get laid is that I don’t suffer fools. I don’t smile and try to get along and say he-he-he to innane pointless annoying cluttering bullshit. I say straight up “shut the fuck up”.

    You’re problem is that you won’t. Seriously pointless gadfly with nothing contribute and no purpose. You must be so bored and lonely!

    Get a cat.

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  74. on April 20, 2011 at 6:39 am cynical optimist

    @Strike While Hot

    “Now, you need to build confidence in yourself. The way I did this back in the day was to haggle with car salesmen, the shiftier the better”

    very funny made my morning

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  75. on April 20, 2011 at 7:01 am Ubermind

    The asian guy has to become ripped like Bruce Lee to succeed. If you are not not tall and towering than be aggressive and energetic.

    I also disagree that he should adopt western hobbies actually he could use his asian heretage to game chicks that dig exotica, he just must distinguish good asian traits from bad ones.

    Good:
    – getting ripped and aggressive like Bruce Lee.
    – knowing a lot of asian mysticism, philosophy , yoga and kamasutra stuff and brainwashing girls with it. Playing the guru.
    – rising girls curiosity by writing secret white lotus horoscopes or spelling her name with asian characters so that to create illusion of reading her mind and knowing her very well using cold reading actually.
    – being good with asian cuisine and inviting girls to his place to dinner.
    – decorating his place with fans, swords, asian music and some cheap incense that you bought at local supermarket but claim that it comes from japans most elite geisha house

    Bad:
    – playing starcraft like koreans do
    – reading manga
    – wearing uniform or casual clothing
    – wearing backpacks
    – being seen around with other asians that look just like you.
    – shoving victory sign on every photo like chinese do
    – betraying your uniqueness and eating at McDonalds

    Also most real life asians I know, have a stupid and polite herb smile turned on all the time. It is better to adopt a kung fu movie villain poker face or grin, that looks so badass, but you never see that in real life.

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  76. on April 20, 2011 at 7:54 am ViVian

    What most guys fail to realize is that girls are human beings. Take her off the pedestal.
    Girls love the anonymous attention they get when walking down the street, but they want to be liked as a real person.
    E-mailer #1, just approach her as a friend. Don’t be a snob, don’t neg her strongly, but neither be the drooling fan. Just talk to her like she is a cousin or a co-worker. This will make you real for her, and put you apart from all the other guys who worship her from a distance.
    Actually, game is composed of two phases:

    1) Get to know the girl as a real person. You just have to be careful not to turn into a “nice” friend. Keep your independence, keep some mystery about you, show you have a life apart from her. But don’t be a total jerk. Be yourself. A guy who is friends in this natural way with a lot of girls will always have options.

    2) Bang her. This will come naturally if you did part 1 well. She will expect it. Don’t wait for a date, just kiss her while you are talking about something more personal. Your problem here will be how to get rid of her after she falls for you.

    Remember:

    Girls have brothers, friends, cousins, people who interact with her as a person, who have seen them sick, vomiting, with a pimple on the nose. They love to impress and be admired sometimes with a sexy front, but what they most want is someone who likes them by what they are, pimples and all. Be, or pretend to be, that guy.

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  77. on April 20, 2011 at 8:49 am Laughing Shadow

    I recently learned that a co-worker of mine drives a motorcycle – wouldn’t have guessed he was the type. He told me once that holding a motorcycle helmet works wonders for attracting a woman’s attention.

    So he lent it to me, and I wandered into a local yuppy bar near work, dropped the helmet on the bar and ordered a beer like it was no big deal. The bartender, who had chatted with me before, but no more than anyone else, kept dropping by to chat – noticeably more interested.

    I did have to do some fancy tap-dancing when she asked my bike model, wanted to go for a ride with me someday, …Still, it was an interesting experience.

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  78. on April 20, 2011 at 9:18 am AssNeck

    Ubermind writes:

    “Bad:
    – playing starcraft like koreans do
    – reading manga
    – wearing uniform or casual clothing
    – wearing backpacks
    – being seen around with other asians that look just like you.
    – shoving victory sign on every photo like chinese do”

    Dude, you made my day. I have been laughing at this all morning. Funny and true.

    My son is half Asian and I think he will do fine when gets of age. He’s gonna be 6’4 and has a built in tan with no freckles.

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  79. on April 20, 2011 at 9:20 am Paladin

    Wow, you were so gentle and supportive in this post. Before someone jumps on me for accusing you of something, I think that’s a great thing and makes you an inspiring figure on the battlefront of the Game world. Keep up the good work!

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  80. on April 20, 2011 at 9:45 am what

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/2009/12/susur_lees_shan.php

    He can feed me anything he wants!! hee! hee!

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  81. on April 20, 2011 at 10:02 am Azuzuru

    Asian guy – check out dr asian rake at http://www.doctorasianrake.com. He’s a Chinese Canadian guy and the real deal. Asian guys can pull just like anyone.

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  82. on April 20, 2011 at 10:45 am K-Man

    Hey – banging your wife once a week is totally fine. I also bang my (hot) wife 1-2 times a week. Of course, it was every day when we were first dating – but after several hundred times it gets old.
    It’s completely biological. Your hindbrain realizes that when you sleep in one bed with the same woman every night, it’s enough to keep her topped up with your sperm once or twice a week. Now, when it’s some new hottie…

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  83. on April 20, 2011 at 10:50 am xsplat

    K-Man

    Hey – banging your wife once a week is totally fine.

    Sure, it’s fine. Pea soup is fine too.

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  84. on April 20, 2011 at 11:01 am xsplat

    If you have become comfortable with a sex life that is set below simmer, where your heat only occasionally gets briefly ignited, then you have transformed your psycho-sexual-physico-emotional body. Your testosterone has lowered, and your personality and being have changed.

    You’ve become domesticated.

    You can go gently into that good night.

    Or you can rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Some of us notice the changes coming on, and rejuvanate our lives. Force difficult changes. Move cities, change girls, change jobs. Some of us are not comfortable with moss.

    Once a week for guys like us is a serious sign of something wrong. We will not go gently into that good night – no matter how soft, easy, comfortable, secure, stable and appealing it may seem. We prefer to rage, rage against the dying of the light. And seduce 20 year olds and virgins and get a harem of devoted love slaves.

    Once a week with a similarly aged woman? Fine?

    Fine.

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  85. on April 20, 2011 at 11:02 am Pode

    TacoMan, check out the blog MarriedManSexLife. It’s all about gaming your wife back into being your personal slut. Might help, cheaper than divorce, and the lawyers will always be there willing to take their cut if MMSL doesn’t help.

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  86. on April 20, 2011 at 11:02 am Schmoe

    Saw a failed pickup behind me in starbucks line this morning. Guy in front of me, sees extremely hot chick get in line behind me. On the pretext of putting away a mug he was going to buy, he gets back in line behind her. This was after I offered him his place back in line.

    It was busy so they were taking orders from those in line, and asking names to keep the orders straight. They ask her name, “Aurora”. He says, “That’s a pretty name.” Strike one for not saying, “Aurora, what are your parents hippies or something?”

    She pays and moves to the waiting location. He pays and sidles up to her. “Nice to meet you.” AFAIK, she hadn’t bothered to get his name, so it wasn’t so much a meeting as a stalking at this point. Strike Two.

    With no pause to wait for her to respond, he presses on: “Let me guess, you’re an Aries”. Finally she deigns to respond: “No, pisces”. Strike three you’re out.

    Nonetheless he keeps on swinging. “Oh that’s weird, I would have thought Aries for sure… blah blah blah.” I walked out the door at this point, not wanting to watch the burning plane actually yield to the loving embrace of mother Earth. He walks out a few seconds later with that sort of soldiering-on-half-smile on his face.

    But, he still did better than 99% of guys, he approached her.

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  87. on April 20, 2011 at 11:09 am Schmoe

    Oh, I forgot to mention the hot chick at starbucks ordered some bullshit two-pump peppermint two-pump vanilla thing, to which he should have said, “Oh, you’re having the milkshake then?” and ordered coffee black in one breath.

    And if you’re wondering why I’m critiquing his game rather than having run some of my own, well one chick at a time is plenty for me thanks, and you swinging dicks can call me a pussy or say I’m lying all you want, but I can assure you I know from where I speak. I prefer to leave some time for my own pursuits, which are indeed better than sex (once my daily sex need is filled, that is).

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  88. on April 20, 2011 at 11:54 am epiclolz

    Bad:
    – wearing backpacks

    LOL @ backpacks

    Honestly though, the asian guy is just going to have to learn to be fearless. It’s a necessary but not sufficient state of mind he’s going to need to adapt.

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  89. on April 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm Tinderbox

    @ ViVian

    1) Get to know the girl as a real person. You just have to be careful not to turn into a “nice” friend. Keep your independence, keep some mystery about you, show you have a life apart from her. But don’t be a total jerk. Be yourself. A guy who is friends in this natural way with a lot of girls will always have options.

    Uh, no. If “be yourself” was something that worked, he wouldn’t need to come here for advice. A beta should never be himself if he wants to get laid easily.

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  90. on April 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm John Norman Howard

    I started to like this site…

    Until I read all the half-assed White clowns coaching a chink on how to fuck their women.

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  91. on April 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm Schmoe

    @Paul
    Ovid? Are you fucking kidding me? He’s the godfather of white-knighting betas. In The Game, IIRC, Neil Strauss acknowledges the work of Eric Weber as an influence on himself and Mystery. And of course Mystery is the undisputed godfather of modern game, which has at the very least experienced a renaissance, and perhaps reached never-before-seen levels of practice and theory.

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  92. on April 20, 2011 at 12:41 pm Schmoe

    @TinderBox
    Actually, “be yourself” usually would work, if the hapless beta would actually be himself rather than the spineless thing he thinks women want him to be. Most guys, deep down, are perverted assholes, but have had that beaten out of them from early age.

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  93. on April 20, 2011 at 12:42 pm itsme

    I started to like this site…

    Until I read all the half-assed White clowns coaching a chink on how to fuck their women.

    it’s yellow peril all over again.

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  94. on April 20, 2011 at 12:52 pm Schmoe

    @tacomaster
    I’m normally pretty evenhanded here, but I hate to tell you, you got played. She married you under some kind of false pretenses, if she’s telling you to tone it down at once a week and you’re still that alpha. She’s a lesbo or something. Go for the three-way and gtfo.

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  95. on April 20, 2011 at 12:55 pm Firepower

    John Norman Howard

    I started to like this site…

    Until I read all the half-assed White clowns coaching a chink on how to fuck their women.

    Jordie PUAs all bought into that PC Coachella Commune Philosophy espoused in “Project Hollywood” from Strauss’ The Game.

    Too bad, the end result was it was a fucked-up mess of jealousy and greed. Now, whooda figured that would happen in such a lovehuggy One World?

    Certainly not some ADD Timout Generation Justin. Like, peace and stuff…man.

    One day, their grandboys will awaken in a sea of Brown.

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  96. on April 20, 2011 at 1:01 pm Old Guy

    I have a seventeen year old daughter, so I have heard loads of war stories which the following advice is based upon.

    #1) Just go talk to her. Try, “Hi, haven’t seen you for a while, what have you been up to?”

    Teen age girls are talking machines. The question isn’t how to get them to talk to you, but rather how to put a cork in it so you can get a word in edgewise once they get started.

    A classic story. Some guy wanted to ask the kid to go to Homecoming with him. Does he just come up and ask? Of course not, he stalks her like a lovesick puppy dog, never gets within 50 feet, but always seems to be hovering nearby.

    He goes and asks the BFF, “If I asked her to go to Homecoming with me, do you think she’d say yes?”

    The BFF laughs at him and says, “I don’t know, why don’t you go ask her?”

    They tell me this story from the back seat of the car while I am driving them home from school. The kid asks, “What is with guys? Why are they afraid of us? We don’t bite.”

    Of course, the guy never asked. The kid went with a hockey & football player whose hobby apparently was lifting weights. He just walked up in the hall and asked if she wanted to go with him. (She didn’t know him, but had helped his buddy on the football team with math the year before, who told him she was a cool chick. Note the buddy didn’t ask if it was OK, the guy just did a cold approach and risked being blown off.) The BFF never got asked out, so they went as a threesome. He loved it.(They are both 9s) The girls claim they had a great time.

    If you just walk up to her and start talking, chances are she will respond. You don’t need to do an hour conversation the first time either. Just establish contact, then keep approaching her and talking, get to know her. Ask her to do something girls like, like go to the mall and look for clothes.

    Escalate, escalate, escalate.

    #5) Forget that you are Asian. The girls don’t care. One of the kid’s friends dated an Asian for a year. He was cool. He was on the baseball team. The pretty white girls do like Asians and Indians, but they won’t date the nerdy ones. The cool ones who behave like normal middle class jocks and are on sports teams are considered cool guys and eligible for dating.

    In high school you being on any sports team will improve your status a load and that makes a huge difference to the girls. If you are going to college, join one of the fun sports leagues. It will put you in touch with jocks who have better parties that attract lots of pretty girls.

    And as Roissy said, get buff. Girls dig a manly man. At the last birthday party, every guy was a jock.

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  97. on April 20, 2011 at 1:04 pm Jay Gatsby

    “Nice guys finish last. Awsome guys finish on her face.” – Charlie Sheen.

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  98. on April 20, 2011 at 1:15 pm Schmoe

    @fourty-something
    Holy shit, I was in your exact position two years ago. Given your description, dude, you’re going to be swimming in it. Disqualify hard online. My description was something along the lines of, “I’m a geek. I like my women like I like my coffee, hot and stimulating my brain.” Note how this disqualifies 9/10 of the women. The 10% will find you, and they will see that you are not bland and humorless. ymmv, and I did not meet my current girl this way, but the confidence I got from dating online went a long way toward improving my inner game. I had strong offers from tantric-yoga calculus teachers and large-boobed research scientists in no time. Good luck.

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  99. on April 20, 2011 at 1:32 pm chi-town

    You don’t enough worthwhile to say to fill up a postage stamp.

    I howl out volumes of prose poetry that hold insight, inform, and amuse.

    Your worth is negative.

    splatty’s on to sumptin

    His shit house style prose on a roll, and self muse-ment soaker is good for a stamp post marked :

    Roosevelt Regional Landfill

    Don’t forget the return address

    splatty’s back side desire
    splatty
    Fuckless Town

    His does best when he receives and critiques manly techniques. Its his vadge of honor, a flip of the ole cliche switch.

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  100. on April 20, 2011 at 1:37 pm chi-town

    “you can go gently into that good night.

    Or you can rage, rage against the dying of the light.”

    cliche` dildo through ass

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  101. on April 20, 2011 at 2:00 pm SM

    @Old Guy
    So you’re telling us your daughter got boned by a teen alpha?

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  102. on April 20, 2011 at 2:26 pm Blake

    “Also, if I notice I am in a bar, club, or restaurant with a bunch of giant men I just leave and go elsewhere.”

    I’m 5’7 – all my friends are 6’+. I’m starting to think that can’t look good in these situations.

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  103. on April 20, 2011 at 2:38 pm Anonymous

    One day, their grandboys will awaken in a sea of Brown. @Firepower

    No – this shall not pass.

    Northern Europeans have a right to racial life just like any other race and ethnic group.

    The racial rights submitted below for recognition, affirmation and defense are all primary rights as they are concerned either with the right of all races to life — including the right to the conditions required for continued life — or the right of all races to control their own life and destiny — to freedom, independence and self-determination. They are also ethical beliefs, based on both value judgments and factual beliefs concerning the existence of races and the conditions required for their preservation (continued existence) and well-being. Finally, they are also inalienable rights, as their alienation would mean the end of life and liberty. Taken together they can be regarded as a Charter of Racial Rights , the essential foundation of the Racial Compact. They are as follows:

    1. All races have a right to be unique and different, to be themselves, and to love, value and be proud of what they are.

    2. All races have a right to have their existence and identity recognized, respected and protected, to define, affirm and celebrate their existence and identity, and to promote their legitimate rights and interests.

    3. All races have a right to racial life, a right to live, a right to exist as what they are and preserve what they are, a right to exist as a separate form of life, and a right to the conditions they require for continued life, existence and evolution.

    4. All races have a right to independence and peaceful self-determination, to racial freedom and liberty, to separate development, to exclusive control of their own life and existence, their own future and destiny, free from domination, control or interference by other races.

    5. All races have a right to their own living space or territory, to possession of their own racial homeland, to exist within secure borders, to have and hold their own country, separate from and exclusive of other races, as a condition required for both their continued life and independence.

    6. All races have a right to self-government, to their own sovereign and fully independent government to govern their own country, their own life and existence, and determine their own future.

    7. All races have a right to the affections and loyalties, love and care of their members, and this right takes precedence over any ideology — or system of beliefs and values — that would promote disaffection or alienation of loyalties, or censure racial love and caring.

    8. All races have a right to exclusive control over the creation, upbringing, development and education of their own children, to control over their own reproduction — the renewal of their racial life, the transmission of their genes and culture to successor generations — free of interference by other races.

    9. All races have a right to racial integrity, to exclusivity, reproductive isolation and geographic separation, to be free, safe and secure from the racially destructive effects of racial intermixture and replacement.

    10. All races have a right to the material product of their own creation, and to use that product for their own benefit, free of any claim upon it by other races.

    These rights apply equally and by the same standard to all human races. No race, regardless of its status as either a majority or minority, has a right to violate the above primary and inalienable rights of any race. There is no such thing as minority or majority rights, only racial rights, which are exactly the same regardless of demographic status as a racial minority or majority. All races, whatever their relative numbers, possess the same rights as listed above, including the same right to life and the conditions required for life, to their own territory or homeland, to their own government, and to racial liberty, independence, self-determination and control of their own existence. The designation of a racial group as a majority or minority does not grant it a special status that permits it to deny or violate the rights of another race. No group, whether a majority or minority, has a right to deny or violate the right of another race to the conditions it requires for racial life, liberty and independence, or to its own territory and government. …

    http://www.racialcompact.com/racialrights.html

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  104. on April 20, 2011 at 2:57 pm Old Guy

    @SM

    “So you’re telling us your daughter got boned by a teen alpha?”

    I have no idea. I never ask, she never tells. It really is none of my business as long as she doesn’t get pregnant or catch something, both of which she is adamant won’t happen. At any rate, other than locking her in her room, there is nothing I could do to control her anyway.

    Soon after that, she got a regular boyfriend who was another big jock. That lasted over a year until they broke up a few months ago. I seriously doubt they were just holding hands on dates.

    If you think teen hot babes who hang with the alpha male jocks in high school aren’t sexually active, you live in a fantasy world. I have a great relationship with her and know that girls become obsessed with sex at about age 12, and it is the number one topic of their conversations, gossip, and humor. The only people who don’t realize that are AFCs.

    You have to get over the myth of female purity. That is just social camouflage. The girls all know it isn’t true, that it is just part of the game they have to play. The people who believe it are AFCs, and the girls will do nothing to dissuade you from your misimpression. Those who know it is just BS are the players and naturals. If anything, girls are more obsessed with sex than guys. They just hide it better.

    The first time I got laid, I was 17. It was with a girl my age. I knew guys who got laid at 14, by 14 year olds. The only girls who are virgins by the end of high school are land whales and prudes. She says most of her friends do it with their boyfriends, which is a subtle way of telling me she does too. Women never say stuff directly.

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  105. on April 20, 2011 at 3:08 pm Bastrop

    @Ubermind
    “shoving victory sign on every photo like chinese do”

    You’ve got this one nailed. I was in Shanghai recently during Chinese New Year / Spring Festival and it seemed like every Chinese woman was flashing a ‘V’ with a cutesy smile in their tourist pics.

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  106. on April 20, 2011 at 3:16 pm Tacomaster

    @doug1–good advice man. Thanks. I’m going to do it very soon. There’s no reason to stay around for below average every 7-10 missionary only sex.

    @rum–sorry, can’t go killing animals-might lose my medical license. I have decided to go “fire
    bombing” by banging her sister. Too much? so tempted

    @schmoe–ya, feeling played alright.

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  107. on April 20, 2011 at 3:23 pm Science

    @Gorbachev
    “Unless you want children.”

    You can have kids without getting married. I’ve said it before, middle class white men in this country are so brainwashed into thinking you have to be married to have kids. Just keep having sex, don’t be too concerned with condoms, and you’ll have kids. You just have to be not too concerned about the consequences. I know a guy who has 10 kids with 7 different girls. Black guys in the city do it all the time. Spread your seed people.

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  108. on April 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm n/a

    @Old Guy,

    Excellent post. No delusion more absurd than a man’s conviction of a woman’s purity or a young girl’s innocence.

    Women are fuckcrazed. And that’s as it should be, because I’ve rarely seen them do anything else with real abandoned verve.

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  109. on April 20, 2011 at 3:45 pm Firepower

    Old Guy

    I have a seventeen year old daughter, so I have heard loads of war stories which the following advice is based upon.

    #1) Just go talk to her. Try, “Hi, haven’t seen you for a while, what have you been up to?!?!” teehee

    Jeeezus cripes,
    are YOU the ‘shbag or whuut…
    gag

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  110. on April 20, 2011 at 3:48 pm Firepower

    Email #5
    Client 9

    Bong Xsui implored:

    I’m an 18 year old asian male, with a height of 5″6, and a weight of 130 lb. I go to [large, predominately white state university], what i do for whitegirly puss???

    reply #`At the bar, keep your Cum Laude Engineering diploma in your hand at all times when buying Barbie drinks.

    and: Tatoo your bank statement on your forehead.

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  111. on April 20, 2011 at 4:14 pm The Truth

    Brad Pitt, beta male: http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=129511&fm=newsmain,nrhl

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  112. on April 20, 2011 at 4:31 pm Paladin

    I don’t know why everyone is displaying such veiled aversion towards Old Guy’s posts. If you have kids aged 17 or so and they don’t suffer from social personality disorders, it’s more or less expected that they’ll be sexually active.

    Yes, everyone has his ideals for what his kids should and shouldn’t do, but you have to accept that they have their own lives. If you don’t like it, then don’t have kids.

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  113. on April 20, 2011 at 5:12 pm Bhetti

    Tacomaster:

    Athol’s seems the expert so far in the marriage context:
    http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/

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  114. on April 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm chi-town

    @Paladin

    Could be they don’t want to finish the basement for her, baby, and letters from papa jailbird that says “bitch, git me a cartin a cigiretts or I gotts to slap ya”.

    Since men all over the world seem to have this in common, I would suspect it has something to do those genes again where they are uneasy over an improper placement of their daughters. We know slut behavior devalues them. Men discussing sex openly with their daughters sounds like something conscious men would do, probably during that conversation where they weep over violating her helpless mama at her conception.

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  115. on April 20, 2011 at 5:35 pm Tinderbox

    @ Schmoe

    @TinderBox
    Actually, “be yourself” usually would work, if the hapless beta would actually be himself rather than the spineless thing he thinks women want him to be. Most guys, deep down, are perverted assholes, but have had that beaten out of them from early age.

    The true perverted assholes are the top 20% natural alphas who never let anything be beaten out of them. The rest were never naturals, but are just average, nice guys who want a decent girlfriend or wife with as little hassle as possible. They’re the ones who believed the pretty lies told to them throughout life by female relatives and schools to “be yourself” and treat women like princesses. These guys with missing or feminized baby boomer dads who generally neglected to supply them with any defense mechanisms against the matriarchies they grew up in.

    It’s this 80% who need game in order to not reveal themselves, in order to regain some of the masculinity that used to be a birthright. Even those who don’t really want to be a PUA (and most guys don’t when you get down to it) still need the game skills to maintain frame over their LTRs and to not be disrespected or worse by their women in today’s feminist, legally misandrist society.

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  116. on April 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm Old Guy

    @Palidin

    Typical white knight trolls. They have to prove their moral superiority. They want to be pick up artists or they wouldn’t be reading this, yet at the same time they never miss an opportunity to strut their stuff about how old school proper they are. They are likely pissed that they never got the time of day from the pretty girls who dated jocks when they were in school.

    Two teen aged guys asked questions in the OP about how to get it going with nice white girls their age. I have raised one, and have observed her and her friends in action for 12 years since she started school. I know how they behave and who they are likely to go out with. I tried to answer their questions.

    If you don’t like it, I am duly impressed with your manly indignation. That and $3 will get you a fancy coffee at Starbucks.

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  117. on April 20, 2011 at 5:47 pm FredH

    Firepower wrote:

    One day, their grandboys will awaken in a sea of Brown.

    Can someone help to explain to me what this means?

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  118. on April 20, 2011 at 5:50 pm Bhetti

    Asian dude:
    This video called ‘Yellow Fever’ about the asian girls liking white dudes question. Classic. Might’ve seen it already.

    Turn annontations off for the first view.

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  119. on April 20, 2011 at 6:38 pm Forty-something

    @Schmoe,

    Dude, that’s what I am asking. How do I create a profile. My current one is funny but comes across as nice stable guy with some alpha characteristics – like “if you’re not fit please don’t message me. A healthy lifestyle is important to me.”

    My beta stuff is about being an affectionate guy-which I am-but I know that says “beta sissy boy” lol. I know, I get it.

    Help me write the profile dudes!

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  120. on April 20, 2011 at 6:43 pm danny not savage

    @Taco

    DTMF…
    Given you are only a year in, I don’t see this as being an alpha/beta thing but rather mismatched sex drives. She put up with it to get what she wanted, and figures you are locked down. You were misled….

    After the first child it will be once a month, after the second it will be once or twice a year.

    You can’t fix it, get out.

    Get out now.

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  121. on April 20, 2011 at 7:44 pm Strike While Hot

    @cynical optimist

    Glad I could make your morning. Haggling with used car salesmen, especially the sleazy ones, for an entire year was a great way to develop confidence and completely demolish approach anxiety. It was free too and became somewhat enjoyable once I got good enough to better them.

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  122. on April 20, 2011 at 7:51 pm College Grad

    “you just wanna get me drunk so you can take advantage of me.”

    I’m late to the party but I’d like to add that this a great line for GUYS to use on GIRLS. Especially when a girl may be shit testing you about how much or what you’re drinking.

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  123. on April 20, 2011 at 10:09 pm Passingby

    Tacomaster,

    No kids yet? Just wait. Once she puts that hook into you, your sex life is over. And she will, of course, no longer be working by that point. She will still, though, be too tired for sex because dealing with a single kid is just sooooo hard, sigh, having sex is impossible. Just impossible.

    By the second kid, you will give up all hope. (You will be fooled into thinking the brief period of regular sex to conceive is a thawing of the ice.) At that point, if you leave, you will be living in a small apartment, sending all your money to her, not seeing your kids, and hearing how she has lost weight, colored her hair, and sucks the dick of the tennis pro at the club. Regularly. And she will sit at the club with her bitchy friends, complaining about how big an asshole you are, as she spends your money buying the next round.

    You think I am overstating it, I know. But I have seen it happen to guys in their late 30s and early 40s.

    Those stories all started in their 20s, when the woman started reducing the sex, and the guy went along with it, to keep the peace.

    Leave.

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  124. on April 21, 2011 at 12:29 am walawala

    @Forty Something….

    I did this a while back.

    I did two:

    My headline was: “Sweet, petite, discrete”.

    used words like “Seeking, fun fit, slim, 25-31 year old with open-mind who enjoys skating and cooking.”

    The second approach was the headline:

    “Do you believe in magic”

    Then first line of profile: “With the right person anything can happen don’t you think?”

    THen listed the same criteria.

    Both yielded me at least 15 replies each.

    Not sure why these worked, but I thought by being specific I could eliminate a lot of the chaff.

    Some wrote me and said “I”m sweet, petite, discrete, but 33, is that ok?”

    That gave me a door to say : “Depends…..” and then take it from there…

    I was able to bang at least 3.

    I once saw a great spoof in National Lampoon on personals that had the last line as:

    “NO FATTIES, FREAKS OR FAIRIES”….

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  125. on April 21, 2011 at 1:46 am Sugar

    @ The Truth

    That’s unsurprising. It’s highly rumored that Pitt tried pickup in LA before he was famous, and failed spectacularly. He was garbage at it.

    There are a shit ton of good looking guys in LA (California period), so Pitt probably didn’t stand out that much.

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  126. on April 21, 2011 at 2:06 am Sugar

    @ Asian E-mailer

    There are a bunch of Asian pick up coaches out there. Most are short. In SF, which is loaded with asians, one of the better PUAs in the entire city is Chinese.

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  127. on April 21, 2011 at 2:11 am Anonymous

    Superb, free E-Book that I just came across:

    The Principles of Social Competence

    […]

    Feminism conditions women to harbor unrealistic dating standards. As men engage these dysfunctional women in conversation, they begin to realize a vast network of unwritten rules stands in their way. To make matters worse, these behavior protocols vary sharply depending on the woman. Taking a cursory look at female-oriented dating publications reveals a cornucopia of conflicting standards, advice and strategies.

    Men can find themselves eliminated from romantic consideration based on any number of conflicting criteria; some women prefer a man who takes charge. Others want to lead a relationship. Some respond to sexual language. Others are turned off by it. Some fault a man for being too “forward.” Others ridicule him for being unwilling to initiate sexual activity. Some find a confident demeanor too cocky. Others advise against a cautious, passive approach. Some refuse to date men below a certain income level. Others sneer at the very mention of material prosperity.

    Oblivious to these contradictions, both genders cling to unrealistic dating standards; the more women demand, the unhappier they become. The more men compromise, the more they suffer.

    The “Game” of social interaction persists in its present problematic form because emasculated males allow it. Without proper guidance to weed through this mess of conflicting advice, guys become neurotic in their approach to dating. They end up bending over backwards to accommodate every childish expectation they encounter, only to be penalized for a lack of mind-reading skills.

    […]

    http://manhood101.com/principles101.pdf

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  128. on April 21, 2011 at 2:58 am Jalapeno

    No time to read through 125 comments before dropping this, but I think it’s important given the subject matter.

    The most natural PUA/gamer I know, actually check that: the TWO most natural PUA/gamers I know or have known, my whole life, both Asians. One from Taiwan, one from Thailand. These guys got so many chicks, white, black and yes after they had both had their fill (took years and they left me in the dust): they both married Asian.

    So – Asian I am not – but in this case I think it makes me a more credible witness for you: before I had Roissy to learn from, my four sources of wisdom were: (a) Asian friend #1, (b) Asian friend #2, (c) a distant, aloof and highly successful big brother and (d) willful self-honesty.

    These guys had SO much game, and got SO many women. Honestly there were times when I was just in sheer awe of it. One of these guys: regularly shared his bed with MULTIPLE women.

    And I’m not even talking the same women … they would change.

    Seriously – I struggled to understand it even as I occupied space in the living room of a house peopled by the female friends of this guy who were sharing his bed. I still don’t know how he pulled that off, or how he did so regularly.

    So – writer of the lament of Asian-guys-don’t-get-women … I hold in my mind a koan:

    It is a fact, that on the whole, Asian men seem to struggle with SMV.
    It is also a fact that in my lifetime, the two most fantasmagoricaorgasmically successful players I have ever known – Asian.

    Oh – you know what makes it even better – you know what field they were in? IT.

    Now – to be fair – they both leaned towards the sales end early in their careers and stayed there, and belonged there, but that’s how they got started, IT, and it never held them back.

    Here’s my advise to you, if you’ll hear it:

    1) From this moment on, if there is any internal voice of discouragement that haunts you, you’re immediate response should be: “fuck it!”

    2) Master the inner game – MASTER it – remember what I just told you and I am a white guy who is NOT making this up: 2 Asian guys – best players I’ve ever known – hot, hot women, lots of them … one: regularly shared bed with LOTS of women – …. if they can do it, you can too – stop paying any attention to negative discouragers

    3) With the cleansing affect of 1 and 2, read every article on this blog from beginning to end – read and re-read – start making the lessons in this blog part of your muscle memory – replace what is in your muscle memory with what is in this blog

    4) The gym. Now – of those two – the one who did NOT hit the gym is actually the one who shared his bed with multiple women – the one who did hit the gym … V-shape torso this guy and I wouldn’t lie: it had to be helping him.

    Those four things. Hope is not lost Asian email writer to Roissy. Indeed – hope is great for you. Fill yourself with the hope and make it a reality.

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  129. on April 21, 2011 at 3:52 am Alpha Cat

    Email 3: “what??! no! you’re trying to take advantage of MEEE” and go from there. misdirect, now she’s chasing you. call her a pervert. tell her women only want you for sex.

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  130. on April 21, 2011 at 5:56 am walawala

    @Forty Something….

    When putting together some online profiles on a dating site here’s what I did….

    My headline was: “Sweet, petite, discrete”.

    I stuck in specifics like “Seeking, fun fit, slim, 25-31 year old with open-mind who enjoys skating and cooking.”

    The second approach was the headline:

    “Do you believe in magic”

    Then first line of profile: “With the right person anything can happen don’t you think?”

    THen listed the same criteria.

    Both yielded me at least 15 replies each.

    Not sure why these worked, but I thought by being specific I could eliminate a lot of the chaff.

    Some wrote me and said “I”m sweet, petite, discrete, but 33, is that ok?”

    That gave me a door to say : “Depends…..” and then take it from there…

    I was able to bang at least 3.

    I once saw a great spoof in National Lampoon on personals that had the last line as:

    No Fatties, Freaks or Fairies….

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  131. on April 21, 2011 at 10:42 am K-Man

    xsplat

    “If you have become comfortable with a sex life that is set below simmer, where your heat only occasionally gets briefly ignited, then you have transformed your psycho-sexual-physico-emotional body. Your testosterone has lowered, and your personality and being have changed.

    You’ve become domesticated.

    You can go gently into that good night.

    Or you can rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Some of us notice the changes coming on, and rejuvanate our lives. Force difficult changes. Move cities, change girls, change jobs. Some of us are not comfortable with moss.

    Once a week for guys like us is a serious sign of something wrong. We will not go gently into that good night – no matter how soft, easy, comfortable, secure, stable and appealing it may seem. We prefer to rage, rage against the dying of the light. And seduce 20 year olds and virgins and get a harem of devoted love slaves.

    Once a week with a similarly aged woman? Fine?

    Fine.”

    You misunderstood. I said IF you already have a wife at home, banging her 1-2 times a week is fine, and normal.
    I have a wife and kid and do just that, even though my wife is 26 and hot. You will see what I mean one day, when you get married and have kids.
    Now, young, hot, and most importantly, NEW girls – those of course you want to fuck more often. It just comes naturally.

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  132. on April 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm Burton

    The kid asks, “What is with guys? Why are they afraid of us? We don’t bite.”

    Well, you might turn this around and ask:

    “So any guy who comes up to you and asks you out — you’ll say ‘yes’? What if he were unattractive to you? You wouldn’t ‘bite’ his head off?”

    “What if a guy asked you out and you said ‘no’? What if he asked you out again? And never took ‘no’ for an answer? Would you be ‘afraid’ of him?”

    “You would never claim you were being ‘sexually harassed’ by a guy who was not ‘afraid’ of you?”

    “Have you ever asked out a guy? Are you ‘afraid’ of them?”

    “What if you were already dating a guy? You would say ‘yes’ to any guy who approached you? And you wouldn’t report this to your boyfriend?”

    Thing is, it’s easy enough to make statements like the quoted one, another thing to consider their implications.

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  133. on April 21, 2011 at 2:53 pm Firepower

    FredH

    Firepower wrote:

    One day, their grandboys will awaken in a sea of Brown.

    Can someone help to explain to me what this means?

    Sure. It means your a racist who hates whites – and you’re a dick lick.

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  134. on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 pm FredH

    I’m having trouble understanding you, Firepower.

    FredH

    Firepower wrote:

    One day, their grandboys will awaken in a sea of Brown.

    Can someone help to explain to me what this means?

    Sure. It means your a racist who hates whites – and you’re a dick lick.

    Who is the “you”? Who is the racist who hates whites in this scenario?

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  135. on April 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm Old Guy

    @Burton

    “Thing is, it’s easy enough to make statements like the quoted one, another thing to consider their implications.”

    I hear all the juicy stories stories. I never heard of any girl charging a guy with harassment in her Junior High or High School. That would violate the kid code, which is to never get adults involved with their business. The kid has had any number of guys obsessed with her. So have her friends. Pretty girls get that all the time. It comes with the territory. It starts at about age 12. At some point the girl’s boyfriend or regular guy friends will intervene. That doesn’t happen very often. If you have any social calibration that won’t happen to you.

    As far as all your other fears about asking a girl out; every guy faces them. The ones who walk up to a girl they like and say hi have a chance to succeed, those who don’t have no chance. No risk, no reward.

    And yes, I know of cases where she has asked guys to go on dates, but they were guys she already knew. The truth is, girls never do cold approaches. That is how life is and it is unlikely to change.

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  136. on April 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm MaMu1977

    Chiming in on “the AZN pimp” bandwagon: the guy with the most natural game in my circle is Korean, short, overweight and not very well endowed by his own admission.) I have never seen this guy with anything less than a 6. When we met during BMT, he had no qualms about dumping his girlfriend (black and a low-level video model) for a hotter redhead and a hot chinese chick in tech school, both of whom were old news when he went to his next base. Prior to getting married to a fellow Korean, he’d switched to using fluent grasp of Spanish to hook up with Mexican chicks. He even managed to have a threeway with a pair of German teenagers during a layover in Frankfurt (as he so blithely said to me, “we had to land, I had a couple of days, they were old enough to be at the club, why should I hesitate? I mean, I never would go to Europe again, no sense in not taking a chance.”)

    Summation: if a short, dumping shaped, small dicked Korean kid whose *third* language was English could manage to bag and tag women who weren’t beneath him in looks (the smug bastard had no problem with showing off his pictures), then there’s no reason for a fully americanized Asian male to do the same. Hell, the guy in the mailbag is two inches taller and twenty pounds lighter than my buddy, plus he has more tears of English speaking under his belt!

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  137. on April 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm asdf

    you should do posts on beta providers and the housing crisis
    http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/08/22/suzanne-researched-this-part-2/

    and last night’s Modern Family in which the gay parent’s chose the alpha male father rather than the beta male father
    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/vast-wasteland/2011/04/modern-family-someone-to-watch-over-lily.html

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  138. on April 22, 2011 at 10:21 am Burton

    Old Guy, thanks for responding, but my points still stand.

    One thing to be considered is that the real issue here is not that men are “afraid” of these women, but that these women simply are not very attractive — and one thing that makes a female unattractive is the very game I see being played here.

    Females telling males they should not be “afraid” to do something is one of the oldest vagino-manipulation tactics in the genetic pool. The male then goes forward to “prove” himself, thereby taking risks the female refuses to take. Females then evaluate male behavior and give themselves to the ones who jump through the right hoops…and play off other men against those who do not.

    But there are many men who are refusing to play along these days. So a sector of females throw their tantrum about men being “afraid,” trying to push the same old emotional (and irrational) buttons. And no doubt they will find a sector of males who will rush forth to be their champions, most especially by attacking other men who have taken the Red Pill.

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  139. on April 22, 2011 at 10:55 am xsplat

    You misunderstood. I said IF you already have a wife at home, banging her 1-2 times a week is fine, and normal.
    I have a wife and kid and do just that, even though my wife is 26 and hot. You will see what I mean one day, when you get married and have kids.
    Now, young, hot, and most importantly, NEW girls – those of course you want to fuck more often. It just comes naturally.

    What gives you the impression that I misunderstood.

    I honestly believe that getting married and settling down in the fashion you have chosen is a little death. It’s something I actively and willfully fight against.

    I’m not alone in this.

    I got it that you are married. That’s no excuse for once a week sex. That’s the root of the whole problem.

    You don’t see it as a problem. I would. I would and do avoid that problem. If I found myself in that situation (which I have) I would and did leave it.

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  140. on April 22, 2011 at 11:40 am Dr. Phil

    @ Old Guy, who stated:

    “As far as all your other fears about asking a girl out; every guy faces them. The ones who walk up to a girl they like and say hi have a chance to succeed, those who don’t have no chance. No risk, no reward.”

    It’s not about fears whatsoever, its simply about today’s contemporary American female is simply too immature to waste any time on. Any man, of any age with a brain will not accept your rationale whatsoever.

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  141. on April 22, 2011 at 4:51 pm Old Guy

    @Burton

    “One thing to be considered is that the real issue here is not that men are “afraid” of these women, but that these women simply are not very attractive — and one thing that makes a female unattractive is the very game I see being played here.”

    The game being played is the human mating ritual. This is how it works and it is not much different than it is in other species.

    Females telling males they should not be “afraid” to do something is one of the oldest vagino-manipulation tactics in the genetic pool. The male then goes forward to “prove” himself, thereby taking risks the female refuses to take. Females then evaluate male behavior and give themselves to the ones who jump through the right hoops…and play off other men against those who do not.

    Again, you are fighting natural instincts. You are the mirror image of the feminists who get angry because men judge women on their looks. Women seek dominant males who are good hunters and warriors; fearlessness is a good marker for that. Men seek youth and health; female beauty is a marker for that.

    As Cole Porter said, “Birds do it, bees do it, over-educated fleas do it….”

    @Dr Phil

    “It’s not about fears whatsoever, its simply about today’s contemporary American female is simply too immature to waste any time on. Any man, of any age with a brain will not accept your rationale whatsoever.”

    I think that is a bit of a stretch.

    If both of you guys want to cut yourself off from the company of women, go for it.

    As far as I can tell this is a pickup blog. That implies that most readers here have not decided to go their own way. My comments were directed to those young men trying to solve the female riddle and improve their ability to do the mating dance, and thereby get their dicks wet.

    I am in my early 60s. I have been a MRA since feminism first appeared. The contradictions have been laughably obvious to anyone with a brain from day one. I have constantly challenged their BS when spouted by family members and women I know.

    This has not stopped me from appreciating women for the goofy, vain, emotion driven creatures they are. Whatever their flaws, they are still the best thing to fuck.

    I believe it is possible to be pro male without falling into the trap of hateful and angry extremism that feminism has become. I believe that will be the undoing of their cause and will damage our cause if we adapt a similar posture.

    My goal, which is consistent with libertarian principles, is to return to a level playing field; equal rights for all. Women have demanded that we throw out the old Christian paradigm because it oppresses them. Well cool, I agree wholeheartedly. However, it also oppressed men, stifled their creativity, and limited their options in life. Therefore, I say, let’s be done with it. Let’s have true no fault, no pay divorce where parents are equally responsible for their children’s upbringing, and assumed to be equally able to raise and nurture childred. Let’s return to the presumption of innocence and equal protection under the law. Let’s have a level playing field in matters of hiring, promotion, and pay, where merit is the only consideration.

    I believe the above is a far superior stance than becoming a mirror image of feminism and upping the anti in the war of the sexes. In additional to it being the sane and rational stance, it is the one that will produce the type of society I prefer to live in and pass on to my progeny.

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  142. on April 23, 2011 at 7:44 am NotFooled

    @ Old Guy, who said: “I am in my early 60s. I have been a MRA since feminism first appeared. The contradictions have been laughably obvious to anyone with a brain from day one.”

    I tell what is not laughable : The pro feminist anti-male biased laws whose function is do nothing other then destroy a man, e.g. the paternity fraud in which despite men proving they are not the father of a child still has to pay child support because some fascist pig judge says so.

    I tell what else is not laughable : The false rape accusations in which a man is jailed simply on her word and nothing else, and even before the trial begins, the name of the accused is published in the local media, and most times he ends up losing his job, and even when said accused is proven not to be guilty, his reputation and life is still ruined. Oh, and he does not get his job back either.

    All these things and much more, this is of course excluding the fact that American females today are seriously ignorant, boring, superficial, immature and lame.

    Old Guy: “This has not stopped me from appreciating women for the goofy, vain, emotion driven creatures they are. Whatever their flaws, they are still the best thing to fuck. ”

    You sir, are a dolt.

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  143. on April 23, 2011 at 7:50 am xsplat

    NotFooled

    Old Guy: “This has not stopped me from appreciating women for the goofy, vain, emotion driven creatures they are. Whatever their flaws, they are still the best thing to fuck. ”

    You sir, are a dolt.

    I appreciate your outrage, and but can’t concede that women are too flawed to fuck.

    If that is your decision – fine, and more power to you. But then why participate in a blog about how to seduce women?

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  144. on April 23, 2011 at 8:40 am Corey

    Notfooled: “All these things and much more, this is of course excluding the fact that American females today are seriously ignorant, boring, superficial, immature and lame.”

    I agree 100%. Any man who has been outside the anglosphere, and outside the feminist zone on this planet will tell you that America females are indeed worthless train wrecks by comparison to other foreign women, no doubt.

    xsplat “But then why participate in a blog about how to seduce women?

    I also agree here too. This forum is for men who want second class females, they want to eat shit and think its caviar, and hey if that is their decision, more power to them.

    I recently became an expatriate and there is no way in hell I am ever coming back to wasteland USA. Happy to be gone! To Notfooled and others alike I say let’s leave ‘em alone and let them baste in their own misery.

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  145. on April 23, 2011 at 12:17 pm Anonymous

    Old Guy, who said: “I am in my early 60s. I have been a MRA since feminism first appeared. The contradictions have been laughably obvious to anyone with a brain from day one.”

    What is an “MRA”?

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  146. on April 23, 2011 at 1:44 pm Old Guy

    What is an “MRA”?

    Male Rights Advocate.

    @ Those above that responded to my posts who can no longer stand the sight of women:

    I have to ask; why are you posting on a blog about seducing women?

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  147. on April 24, 2011 at 1:13 pm Roland

    It’s not that I was ever afraid to talk to them, it’s just that I really don’t give an ounce of fuck. About their stupid vapid world, their fat friends, their gay friends, all that shit. It’s all about being a great actor with all the charm of a movie star and all the patience of Job.

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  148. on April 24, 2011 at 1:20 pm xsplat

    Roland

    It’s not that I was ever afraid to talk to them, it’s just that I really don’t give an ounce of fuck. About their stupid vapid world, their fat friends, their gay friends, all that shit

    Is there ANY way in which you’d like to connect with a pretty girl?

    Do you assume that connecting in that way means connecting also in ways you don’t want to?

    Sometimes I date girls who are pretty to look at but useless to talk to. We spend out time fucking and hanging out. I never hear about their stupid world or their fat friends.

    You CAN lead the conversation, and you CAN tell the girl to shut up, you know.

    Talk is over-rated. Try dating a girl who speaks 10 words of English. I’ve done it, and it can work just fine.

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  149. on April 24, 2011 at 1:25 pm xsplat

    Corey, you say you recently became an expat.

    It’s obvious that your move was recent. Your rose glasses will get covered in the same female shit after a time.

    Girls are girls.

    The feminist impulse is just a power grab that females feel. Non-feminist countries are actually matriarchal, if you look closely. The females don’t fight for power much, because they already wield it in the household once married.

    In any culture and any country, a guy who is not pussy whipped is rare. You will need game in whatever country you expatriated to, if you want to keep your balls out of some woman’s purse.

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  150. on April 27, 2011 at 9:25 am K-Man

    xsplat

    What gives you the impression that I misunderstood.

    I honestly believe that getting married and settling down in the fashion you have chosen is a little death. It’s something I actively and willfully fight against.

    I’m not alone in this.

    I got it that you are married. That’s no excuse for once a week sex. That’s the root of the whole problem.

    You don’t see it as a problem. I would. I would and do avoid that problem. If I found myself in that situation (which I have) I would and did leave it.

    So you have a kid and left it to grow up without a father, just so you could have sex more often than 1-2 times per week. And may I ask, how many times per week are you having sex now, consistently? And is it worth it?

    I still doubt that you were in the same situation, namely, having a wife at home, whom you have fucked several hundred (or thousand) times. Now, what exactly is the appeal of fucking her 2 more times this week, vs. the average 1-2 of all married couples, per the official statistics?

    Note my testosterone has not gone lower and I still want (very much) to fuck new hot women, not 1-2 times per week but daily. Due to understandable tradeoffs, I don’t get this chance very often. I still do it every now and then, though.

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  151. on April 28, 2011 at 11:25 am More frame control « Becoming Alpha

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  152. on April 30, 2011 at 10:58 pm Joe

    This is Joe – emailer #4 from this blog post. If you’re a genuine alpha male with game, I’d really appreciate your advice…

    Quick update: A few weeks ago, Sarah sent me a postcard from her holiday abroad… I responded by writing her a letter back (mistake # 1). In this letter I told her I was thinking of her and missed her (mistake # 2).

    This was BEFORE I emailed Roissy for advice.

    Of course, I now realise it’s very beta behaviour (and will learn from these mistakes).

    After reading Roissy’s advice to me, I stopped texting Sarah.

    That said, she text me tonight. She thanked me for the letter (*cringe*) and said things feel a bit intense and that we should talk soon.

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that this is bad.

    The situation is bleak, but saveable. (I know for a fact she is not seeing anyone else.)

    Having now learned some basics of game, my first decision was to NOT reply to her text. (Let’s get that hampster spinning.)

    However, knowing Sarah, she will text me again to either a) ask for my thoughts or b) arrange a time to come over to mine and ‘talk’.

    How should I respond when she re-initiates contact?

    I need to project enough alpha to re-build attraction that she lost due to my beta behaviour. Then, I’ll sleep with her and she’ll fall in love with me.

    What do you think of this text?

    “we dont need to ‘talk’ thats gay. whats happened is this… you sent me a postcard (which was probs too much too soon) and i sent you a stupid letter (which was too much too soon) and now it feels a bit intense. but chill. this is only casual dont mistake it for anything else”

    It’s wordy, which I realise is best avoided, but it feels alpha to me.

    Any helpful advice you can offer will be much appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Joe.

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  153. on May 6, 2011 at 3:54 pm Hawk

    @ Xsplat

    I have lived for 7 years outside the states and whereas i agree a man a spineless metrosexual douch bag to get women, nonetheless foreign women outside the anglosphere are not nearly as dysfunctional, or sick as American females. Any man with any self respect should avoid AW like the plague and instead save their money and travel to other countries and meet women.

    Any man who claims that foreign women are the same as American women is a jackass.

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  154. on May 6, 2011 at 3:56 pm Hawk

    Correction: wanted to say:

    @ Xsplat

    I have lived for 7 years outside the states and whereas i agree a man cannot be a spineless metrosexual douch bag to get women, nonetheless foreign women outside the anglosphere are not nearly as dysfunctional, or sick as American females. Any man with any self respect should avoid AW like the plague and instead save their money and travel to other countries and meet women.

    And any man who claims that foreign women are the same as American women is a jackass.

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  155. on May 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm xsplat

    Hawk, yes there are differences. But women in both cultures will try hard to tool you and get the upper hand.

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  156. on May 21, 2011 at 10:55 am bestcomment

    Spain or any Spanish speaking country… Women will eye you up like candy and are down for it if you play your cards right. In the UK the same girls would hardly look at me unless I approach them (you’re not all that honey)… I guess a 8/9 in the UK is a 6 in Spain (very common), therefore the girls are much more in competition with each other!

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