Nothing better illustrates the destruction that fatness visits upon a woman’s attractiveness than before and after pics of her weight gain. A website has posted a bunch of these types of before and after shots and the results are stunning… stunningly depressing. Every single one of the girls went from highly bangable sexy tarts to asexual lumps of disfiguring blubber. (Note: A couple of the comparisons from that website are obvious photoshops.) Want to watch your boner deflate in fast forward? Check these:
A crying shame. For girls who are gaining weight, the uglification of their looks can sometimes take months or even years to register in their consciousness, because the change is relatively slow and thus more easily psychologically accommodated by their hamsters which are loathe to contemplate the true nature of the horrors they have committed against themselves. But when you put the thin and fat pics side by side the comparison is so stark there is no running from the cruel truth: these girls have destroyed their sexiness. They have become monsters. And the widespread (heh) existence of these monsters distorts the sexual market so badly that game becomes the only answer to successfully navigating it.
Female obesity is not just bad for women; it’s bad for men, too, who have to wade through tons of sunbathing walruses before finding the lean babe on the beach, competing furiously for access to her overpriced vagina. (Fat men are no great shakes either, but due to the nature of sex differences in attraction, fat men don’t suffer the same penalty in the dating market that fat women do.)
But that is not the primary message of this post. Check out this comment left by a putative girl named “janeway” at that website:
Yes, let’s see what junk food does to guys! Eating is not why these women got bigger. NOT eating and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism in order to attain impossible standards is why they got bigger. And in most cases, hotter.
Is there a better example of self-contradictory nonsense than what is spouted in this comment? And it’s not the only one like it; that board is filled with similar comments extolling the virtues of fatness while chastising those who put up pictures of fat girls. “Janeway” is by no means an exceptional specimen of human inanity; the world is filled with women — and men whose testicles haven’t descended — who think just like her. Lies and ego-salving bromides come as easily to them as eating another piece of pie.
Let’s break down Janeway’s comment line by line, smirking sadistically as we do it.
“Yes, let’s see what junk food does to guys!”
This bold challenge implies that Janeway thinks fatness is repulsive. Premise established. Janeway knows that it would hurt the image of guys who bloated up from eating junk food, otherwise she wouldn’t have taunted the authors of the original post; a taunt, it should be noted, which was ended rather confidently with an exclamation point.
“Eating is not why these women got bigger.”
Janeway can string some words together, so we know she’s not clinically retarded. Therefore, she must know that eating a lot of bad food is how people get fat. Yet, her ego is so invested in denying this obvious reality when it’s women’s fatness that is the subject of scrutiny, that she has found refuge in blurting a blatant lie so ridiculous that it’s clear the lie was meant for her own psychological well-being than for any audience to consider on the merits.
“NOT eating and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism in order to attain impossible standards is why they got bigger.”
Janeway apparently has convinced herself that people get fat from breathing air while trying to reach “impossible” standards that millions of people around the world manage to reach. Also note that Janeway admits the women got bigger.
“And in most cases, hotter.”
Ah, the coda to this excruciatingly insightful comment. Janeway believes, or rather, pretends to believe, that fatter means hotter. And yet she has admitted, directly or tacitly, in the previous three sentences that –
1. Eating a lot of junk food will make guys fatter and uglier.
2. The women did indeed get bigger.
3. The women got bigger because they destroyed their health and metabolism trying to reach impossible standards via a non-eating mechanism that eludes less open-minded scientists.
4. The impossible standards are desirable, otherwise women would not try to attain them.
5. And yet, given all the above premises, fat women are hotter than thin women.
Well, Janeway, if bigger is hotter, why are you so hopping mad to defend these fat chicks from judgment? Their hotness should be self-evident, no? Do you get mad when pictures of slender supermodels are posted on the web? No, of course you don’t. That is because you, Janeway, are filled to brimming with lies you tell yourself to forget the muffin top you sport that causes your belly shirts to constantly roll up so insouciantly.
Janeway = 100% dumbass. And 95% fat.
Janeway is just a prototype, a pawn for the purposes of this post. You could see this same infantile sewer logic expressed by just about any female commenter on any blog discussing fatness, sexual market value and universal, immutable beauty standards. It goes like this:
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A is not fat and ugly.
Fat and ugly is actually beautiful.
I bet B is fat and ugly!
A got fat and ugly trying to be thin and beautiful.
No man likes anorexics.
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And this same bizarro formula applies to other low sexual market value women and their nonsensical defenders. To wit:
Single momhood is not bad for my dating life.
The reason I’m not dating is because I’m careful about having men meet my bastard children.
Men don’t care that I have kids.
Men run when I tell them that I have kids because they are intimidated by confident single moms.
No, really, I’m OK with loveless one night stands.
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I’m not a has-been cougar.
Men love sexually experienced older women.
I bet you can’t get anyone but has-been cougars!
Men who date younger women are intimidated by confident older women.
It’s good that I don’t have to play games anymore.
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I’m not a slut.
Sluttiness is empowering.
Only low self-esteem sluts would fall for game.
All women are sluts by society’s impossible standards.
Girls don’t like judgmental men.
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Self-deception: a renewable resource that actually increases the more you use it.
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Yes, just go to the president’s townhall on Facebook right now and read the comments from his supporters. or what totuslesspotus is saying.
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2nd!
Work with 2 walking manatees. The 5’2 (24 year old) thought it was so funny that she’s gained 45 pounds in the last two years of marriage. Oh how funny! And of course she thinks she’s hot. So delusional.
Women #2 (27 year old) eats a medium size bag of doritos and a liter of DIET coke (“it’s healthier!) for breakfast at the beginning of every shift. Her gut protrudes farther than her breasts. Repulsive.
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This is what I have been saying all along…as long as a woman stays relatively thin the decline is not as depressing as it would be was she old AND fat.
What these women are doing to themselves is disgusting. They were lucky enough to have been born healthy and cute and they are eating themselves into deformities and disabilities.
Look how uncomfortable they look when they are fat. We know it, they know it, the whole world knows it.
The misuse of cleavage on the fatties is unnerving as well.
(Oh, this is Dream Puppy btw)
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It’s not enough that they have redefined in their own heads everything that was once common sense in relations between men and women. No, as a man you must also think exactly like a modern radical feminist woman. This way lies the fatal weakening of our civilization.
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From my past experience, big breasts on fatter girls may look superficially appealing, but when you touch them, they tend to be loose, baggy and kind of gross.
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Firsted by a Jew on April 20th! Talk about unlucky!
Satisfying to see deconstruction used on the very sort of people who love to ‘deconstruct’ immutable realities to make themselves feel better.
I’ll admit my fatty threshold is more liberal than some others, but even with the slightly obese they tend to be slippery slimey with sweat in the summer.
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OT, but in other news, it appears that kids aren’t actually happiness killers, if you’re married that is:
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/11/the_effect_of_c.html
Apparently, it is only being a single parent that sucks, and is those who drag down the happiness numbers.
Caplan’s book, despite the terrible title, is actually a pretty good guide to what you can expect from parenting and how not to run yourself ragged looking after your kids.
Note that I’m not saying kids are for everyone, or that everyone should have kids.
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yeah, I think these delusions combined with the facebook-hot-pic-beta-obsequiousness trend lead to a lot of fat, stupid hamsters.
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It hurts my head just to be around these people. It’s exactly the same in the UK – all the same denial and doublethink. Thank god London has a steady supply of un-corrupted foreign girls to pick off from it’s streets.
Noticeably, they have far better operating systems loaded into their brains and thus give the hamster far less to spin.
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I keep on being called thin, when I’m just not.
Eating even a little differently from what are deranged eating habits earns scorn.
Portions in shops are huge and loaded with quick release carbs. Selections are limited. Temptation is everywhere.
Exercise myths abound. Cardio is useless.
Sizes are going up in dress shops.
Fat has been normalised!
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This post touches on another modern day scourge of the West…the poor quality of Western processed food. Beyond just making us fat and ugly, it is slowly killing us with diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Food corporations and factory farms have re-designed food to make it better tasting and less nutritious…so we keep eating more and more of it. The government endorses a food pyramid designed to make you fat, and citizens that are weak, fat and dependent on more medical care are less capable of standing up to it.
This is unsustainable.
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Look what you end up with a few years after marriage. Serious buyer’s remorse!
This should be seen by society as a bait-and-switch on the same level as a hardworking provider beta who quits his job after getting married and posts up on the couch with some WoW.
It should be seen as treachery on the same level as a man who gets married and continues seeing 2 or 3 bimbos on the side.
It should be as shameful to be a willfully fat woman as it is to be an ugly guy with no apartment, car, or job.
I used to think the whole “no fat chicks” thing was just pointlessly mean, but now I realize it’s a public service to boycott fat chicks and not even pump and dump them. To do otherwise just sends them false signals and distorts the dating market. We get what we have today, where an HB8+ is any girl who is less than 10 pounds overweight.
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And let us observe a moment of silence in honor to the poster child of marriage-buyer’s remorse. Pierce Brosnan.
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No doubt “Janeway” is liberal-left political orientation. The logical inconsistencies in her post are very common to liberal-left thinking.
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Not gonna lie, Janeway reminded me of Miss Teen South Carolina.
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Gah. Fat chicks in general I can deal with – it’s the ones who think they’re “hott” because they have big tits that are disgusting. The concept of the waist-to-hip ratio should be taught to girls in school.
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“The women got bigger because they destroyed their health and metabolism trying to reach impossible standards via a non-eating mechanism that eludes less open-minded scientists.”
Fucking funniest sentence ever.
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Ever notice on Facebook, when ever an average/fugly/fat chick post’s her picture you have like ten women (only women) chime in with their comments under the picture saying stuff like “HOT!” “you’re so pretty!” “damn you look good” when in fact she isn’t?!
Are women trying to make their not so attractive friend feel better about herself?! Or is there another scheme involved here of setting the bar low in order to boast their own attractive scale up.
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Janeway = Woman captain from star trek voyager
So not only is she a feminist but she’s a girl-nerd too, the worst kind.
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Can we harness the hamster treadmill spinning for alternate energy?
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I am back to my normal weight after spending 2 years 30+ heavier. Guess what no one said a word. Now,everyone is like you are so thin, blah blah. I want to still lose 10 lbs. People look at me with terror.
Re: Facebook photos – only respect photos where you have gotten guy comments or likes? Interesting…
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Janeway + Safeway = Stay Away
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Sunbathing walruses huh?
Ok I lol’d.
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If slimness isn’t a modern, artificial beauty standard, explain this:
Also, I think many men just pretend to like slim women while truthfully they prefer larger girls.
[Editor: You’re joking, right? Since when is an advertisement for adding 5 pounds on the frames of underweight women proof that the universal male preference for healthy, slender women is a social construct?
I’ve got bad news for ya, freewilly. The overwhelming majority of men have a biologically-based, unchangeable preference for thin women. You might wanna spend a little less time at jizzabel and a little more time in the real world.]
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“Fat men are no great shakes either, but due to the nature of sex differences in attraction, fat men don’t suffer the same penalty in the dating market that fat women do.”
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From what I see in everyday life, they do.
[Editor: A confident fat man will do muich better in the dating market than a confident fat woman.]
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It’s funny, when you want to look at where the truth is, all you need to ask yourself is “how comfortable are you with saying it?”
The more uncomfortable it is to acknowledge, the more likely it is to be fitting with reality.
Those who ignore reality WILL be ran over by it.
Face reality, confront it, and conquer it!
In this case it is get on a treadmill, and clean up the diet ladies.
Its the same for the man who is under average height to learn GAME.
Confront and conquer.
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this is one of my favorite posts ever on this site.
I encounter women employing this exact dialectic of nonsensical emotionally charged and logically contradictory argumentation all the time, in work, in my social life and in my personal relationships.
I spent years in education being taught that the “anachronistic” notion that women are ruled by irrationality and emotion and men by logic and reason was the epitome of patriarchical sexism. And I’ve since spent my entire adult life of experience learning that what I was taught was a pretty lie.
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Posted before… but appropriate.
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I credit my brother (let’s call him brononymous) with the name for a woman’s fat-apron should it hang lower than her crotch. This is called “the bramp.”
Please spread the word. Bramp.
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Cleavage on fat women just pisses me off. Honestly, I’d rather a woman be fit with a smaller chest.
My friends and I call it “third boob.”
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Always look at the upper arms.
They’ll have that slight unmissable hint of sausage, even at fifteen.
A devastating tell.
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@Rachel
Men don’t really like very skinny women either, never have, never will. The non-skinny woman is still very slim in that ad. There are important words in that ad like ‘skinny’ that is less desireable than slim and ‘solid flesh’ that is more desirable that bony skin.
[Editor: Yeah I know. Hilarious. She posts an ad for helping underweight women gain weight and the after pic is still a cute slender woman. Talk about self-discrediting.]
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Darn, n/a beat me to it. In all the “before” photos a wise observer can see the fatty future by looking at the upper arms.
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“Are women trying to make their not so attractive friend feel better about herself?! Or is there another scheme involved here of setting the bar low in order to boast their own attractive scale up.”
Or?
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[Editor: A confident fat man will do muich better in the dating market than a confident fat woman.]
If only the blind could see. I propose a much more interesting reality show than the “the biggest loser.”
Pit 10-20 “confident” fat women (eww) vs 10-20 confident fat men (these guys are marvels excuse-ridden betas would do well to learn from). Set loose in the sexual marketplace.
Those fat boys will destroy ainec!
Even better, make it a requirement that the women can only seduce white guys and see what kind of scraps they bring home.
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“The Walrus Whisperer”
lol great screen name
Always look at the upper arms. They’ll have that slight unmissable hint of sausage, even at fifteen. A devastating tell.
Yes.
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If it’s true that the “overwhelming majority of men have a biologically-based, unchangeable preference for thin women”, then how do you explain the prevalence of BBW porn?
[Editor: The same way I would explain sheep fucking. It exists, and most men do not do it.]
In real-life, sure, you could explain that betas and omegas are settling for them since they can’t get the thinner women. But since porn is equally available to all levels of men, why would certain men actively choose titles featuring larger women unless they were genuinely attracted to them?
[The vast majority of consumed porn features hot thin chicks. BBW serves a fetish community.]
Shouldn’t the type of woman that a man fantasizes about and jacks off to represent the type of woman he desires in real life?
[When was the last time Playboy or SI showcased a fat chick between their covers?]
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“Also, I think many men just pretend to like slim women while truthfully they prefer larger girls.”
@Rachel.
Your post was akin to the same “Well, not all men love a size zero!” argument.
Perhaps it is unbeknown to you, but there do exist numbers between ten and zero. Yes, some men like women a little more curvy. Perhaps like a Kardashian. Some like them thin, like a Kate Moss.
But for you to state that men love obese women- women with piles of flesh that hangs off them -women with folds in their body that haven’t seen the light of day in years, cellulite….gunts…that weird elbow titty…sorry, but that is objectively pathological. It’s nasty.
Men like women who look like women! Who’d have thunk!! 0_o
[Editor: Elbow titty. lol.]
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just looking at those photos and i started weeping like a baby hit with a hammer. how can such hot and beautiful girls fuck themselves up like this? its like self sabotage. “my beta hubby doesnt excite me so i’ll comfort eat my way towards depression, obesity and diabetes”. really i am very sorry for those girls, they have fucked their lives up so much
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ah i love this outright stating the PRECISE opposite to an obvious truth: my sister once declared khloe is the hottest kardashian as a way of making herself feel like there isn’t a chasm of difference between her and the hottest kardashian.
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Let them eat dildos.
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The examples at the end (after “It goes like this”) are wonderful. Of course, every single line is totally true. Hell, every single word is totally true. Not in the binary, true/false, mutually-exclusive meaning of true. Like in ALL of those statements are true, SIMULTANEOUSLY. You better believe it.
Embrace girl madness. It’s your only hope.
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Income levels, if I recall correctly, are the largest predictors of obesity/overweightness. My guess is that these women are proles who were either completely influenced by an education system that does not teach them to think independently, or not intelligent enough to care for themselves.
These women are to be pitied for karma will be coming back to them in a cruel way for mistreating their bodies. Politicians and the food industry should be blamed as they are the root of this mess.
The corn and soy industry in the developed world wields terrifying political power. Think lobbies, influence over the FDA, ect. Their antics have become like crack cocaine for the common people. By flooding the markets with cheap-to-produce processed foods (often made with derivatives of their excess corn and soy supply), people of lower income have powerful incentives to obtain calories at a low value and a high (long term) price. And politicians…having absolutely no concept of reality allow them to get away with poisoning their own people.
And work the entire ploy does…beautifully.
A few back of the envelope calculations will show that the average person in Massachussetts consumes 144 lbs of potatoes for year. Over HALF (88 lbs IIRC) of that is from processed foods…not fresh. Considering what often accompanies these potatoes (HFC syrup, soy lechitin, ect), it is a worrying trend.
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Sad she was a good looking girl until a few years ago:
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Before and after pictures are the ultimate cure for one-itis.
I’d advise guys be careful when dating any girl that is obsessive about exercise. I’m talking about the type of girl that works out hard more than 4 times a week, especially if she doesn’t look extremely skinny or jacked as a result. I’m not saying I want skinny or jacked, but excessive working out should result in skinny or jacked. If it doesn’t then it means she’s not naturally skinny.
You need to establish a baseline for her weight, what she’d look like after 1 or 2 kids, if she changed her workout schedule to once or twice a week. An older Kate Middleton might work to keep her weight low, but she’s in the spotlight, your girl’s not.
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I know I’m going to get some shit for disagreeing with Roissy even in part, so let me preface my comments with a couple disclaimers so that we’re clear on the limited nature of my critique.
Disclaimer: I truly believe, (1) fat is ugly, (2) some of these girls probably got fat by eating like shit, and (3) these women must take 100% responsibility for their fatness.
On the first point, no more be said. On the second, I am making the point that some (not all) of these women got fat at least trying to do the right thing. On the third point, regardless of how the women got fat, I don’t care that “Big Food Co.” sells crap today, or that society has “standards”, or that they were sold a crappy diet idea – a person’s health and body must be their own responsibility.
That said, my critique is as follows: The following sentence is true:
“NOT eating and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism … is why they got bigger.”
(At least it’s probably true for some of them. And notice that I removed the part about impossible standards. They aren’t impossible – these women just sought to achieve them in the wrong way. Barring birth defect any woman can have the physique of the “after” shot Rachel linked to.)
As someone who has spent the last several years researching very deeply into the causes of obesity, one pattern I see over, and over, and over again working with overweight people is:
1. Want to lose 15 lbs., go on diet,
2. Diets causes initial weight loss but damage to metabolism,
3. Damage to metabolism causes eventual weight gain exceeding the weight lost.
End result: End up fatter than the start after 3-6 months.
Some people give up at that point and accept being 25 lbs overweight. Other people double-down and try to lose 25 lbs, causing even more damage to the metabolism, causing even more weight gain later. Depending on how much damage they do, some people get to the point where they weight 250 lbs or more and continue to get fatter on as little as 800 calories/day (I kid you not – I’ve seen this).
And any kind of cardio just makes the above problem 100x worse. Cardio is just awful for you, and breaks down your metabolism. An otherwise health person can tolerate some levels of cardio for a while, but someone who has damaged their metabolism already with bad dieting just gets fatter doing it.
As far as I can tell the only way to lose weight is to eat a healthy diet (described below) of unrestricted calories, combined with lots of sleep and the two good kinds of exercise: very easy (like walking or yoga) and very hard (tabata burpees and 5RM deadlifts). But this causes, at best, about a 0.5 to 1 lbs/week loss. That’s up to 50 lbs/year (which is great), but few people (especially young girls) have the patience for that and they go on crash diets and 5-mile jog regimes instead. Sigh.
A healthy diet is a minimally processed diet. Nothing that comes in a box. Unprocessed carbs (brown rice, potatoes, fresh corn, etc.), unprocessed fats (tallow, lard, coconut, butter, olive – never canola, soybean, corn, etc.), unprocessed proteins (meat, dairy, eggs – not soy fake-stuff), and unprocessed sugars (whole fruit, honey – not high fructose corn syrup). Also, get lots of fiber – it’s terribly good for you. And avoid chemical sweeteners too, because they screw up your brain (Diet Coke makes you fatter than regular Coke).
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In her defense, eating is not why these women got bigger. Not eating PALEO and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism with grains, fructose, and vegetable oil is why they got bigger. And in most cases, hotter–ever notice how fat people are always sweating?
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Miss Piggy wisdom:
‘Yes, let’s see what junk food does to guys! Eating is not why these women got bigger. NOT eating and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism in order to attain impossible standards is why they got bigger. And in most cases, hotter.’
Grobi might like them (out of desperation)
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girly girl
Your name fits. Hamster Politics 101.
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Sorry, if someone here gets offended.
I have seen a trend in the USA by which chubby and fat White women just jump into the arms of Black men, get pregnant and prouce a new caste of poor big and fat boys. Maybe this new underclass is the glue America needs to settle their race tensions.
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Man… you leave the States for a while, and you kinda start forgetting that huge women are EVERYWHERE.
The diet in the West is awful. Women overseas don’t work half as hard to stay thin as chunky American women do — they just like food that doesn’t pack on rolls of lard. More protein, less carbs.
Went out in Taipei tonight, and saw only a handful of women who were anything other than thin. And they were mostly American expats. Never hard to pinpoint…
Chase
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There were no fat people in Dachau.
Why do you think that was?
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These girls became entitlement land whales because they ate too much crap. Why? Because there was no incentive not to, and the cost of doing so would land on someone else. After a while, they simply despair of ever being fit. The most a man should expect from this kind of sad sack is a blowjob. I feel no pity. They chose their path to fatty repulsiveness. Let them suffer for it. Alone. With their Haagen-Dazs.
To the fit girls, the spoils.
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Most pathetic video I have ever seen on BetaTube
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I’m super slim and super cute but the inside of my head is messy.
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@Girly Girl: Granted, processed food is generally unhealthy, but even if you eat junk food you can still lose weight simply by eating LESS of it. You have to look at not just what you eat, but HOW MUCH. Too much of anything is bad. Even healthy food will put weight on you if you eat enough of it. You have to control the AMOUNT you eat. Blaming the food is an excuse.
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My take on why chicks are always proclaiming the hotness of fat girls is that they assume that guys are as influenced by peer groups in such matters as they are. In other words, they imagine that by cluster-praising the hotness of a type of girl this will make guys afraid to think she isn’t. Just they are made afraid of having wrong thoughts by the female hive-mind. You might say they are trying to pull a Jedi Mind Trick on guys – like pre-selection works on them.
Such thinking is stupid and will lead to disaster for everyone involved.
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Just as they are made afraid…
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OK…off topic, but I have a situation I would like to submit to the commentariate for consideration.
I have been doing online dating as a supplement to running regular game since I have found myself traveling and in the office late hours. I have been fairly successful with the online component. I have been hammering down 8-10 meets a month with little effort. I use the same method to hook them, 3 emails back and forth, then the “hey let’s meet up” email. All of them bite and we set up something in a bar somewhere. The meets go rather well. I run standard game, interesting stories, a neg or two, you know how it goes. Most meets go great lasting 2-3 hours with multiple drinks. I usually run some degree of kino too. We leave usually with a hug or a kiss. I wait 2-3 days then follow up with a text. To my surprise I rarely get a response. I have tried test texts, funny texts, even the occasional call. My fail rate is around 90%. I don’t know what I am doing wrong (other than dating online). Am I failing on the follow up? Do you need to modify your game for online to in-person encounters? Is online dating just fatally flawed?
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Second Stan’s point. Adam Carolla discussed this on a podcast recently. A woman called in having trouble with her boyfriend. She was 5’2″ and 140, and about 24. She wasn’t horribly obese, but the weight was killing her confidence, and he pointed out that weight really isn’t that complicated. Eat less and exercize more. Don’t supersize your meals, and don’t sit in front of the tube for hours on end. It really is that simple.
If the pictures are accurate, these women put on something like 40-100 lbs in a couple of years. That takes some face-stuffing. We’re talking serious sessions at the Golden Corral. No one does them any favors by shrugging blame off on the food industry (which really only provides what people want) or the government. There’s plenty of healthy food at the grocery store that costs less than a steady diet of Mickey D’s, and all of those pictures showed me middle-class chicks who probably have a Krogers, Albertson’s or Safeway a few blocks down the street.
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My sister had a baby a few months back. Now that it’s over she’s slimmer and better looking than ever before. And all her friends and coworkers are telling her that she’s “too thin”.
I told her they were jealous. So did our parents. She, fortunately, agreed.
Unfortunately that’s rare, both the not being fat part and the supportive family part. I haven’t met a girl in years i was really interested in, but i have met quite a few who would look amazing if they just lost some damn weight.
Wonder if it’s worth moving to Russia.
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Janeway has a minor point in that under-eating can lead to an insulin spike once you do start eating normally, which will increase the amount of fat your body stores. That said, eating intelligently will bring you right back down again, so it’s not really much of a point.
The girl I was dating when I found this site was a bit heavy (not obese, but definitely fat). Part of why we split is I started calling her on her bullshit around her weight. Her twin sister joined Weight Watchers, “even though she doesn’t need to” as she said. I don’t agree with WW’s methods, but at least she was making an effort. Needless to say, we didn’t last too long once I started reading Roissy. I’m ok with that.
@Rachel there’s a difference between fleshing out your figure with exercise (hot) and putting on weight (not).
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damn you glucose isomerase
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Hug or kiss?
I would do something that left her in no doubt you see her as a sexual target. Escalate way harder, imho.
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they should make fat-free clubs and bars
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Round em’ up into internment camps and make them work off their gluttony. Indentured servitude for them all!!! Until they become fuckable again. AND video tape it so we can watch them heave and hoe on prime time television.
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Roissy, thank you for reminding me why I will be moving back to Asia as soon as possible.
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Slightly OT – but as long as we are exposing pretty lies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
The conventional wisdom on diet and nutrition is wrong. It looks like the problem may be sugar/fructose (for Roosh – cupcakes, anyone?) It’s not necessarily even carbs, but a specific type of carbs – namely sugar (and it’s kissing cousin, fructose).
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ubiq
Not enough info. You’re talking a lot about yourself and not enough about the girls’ reactions. Maybe that means you’re not reading them well enough. Maybe you’re too focused on your moves, your playbook. Maybe they’re picking up on that.
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@rum
I was generally trying to balance kino with buyer’s remorse. At hour 2 or 3 it is hard to escalate any further than a kiss. The bitch shield is just too high on women who are meeting men for the first time with online arrangements. (Yes maybe some super alpha could pull it off, but I have never been able to .)
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@rachel
Super thin women can still be curvy with shape, it’s the waist hip ratio men find ultimately appealing. I think a lovely curvy shape is inversely more noticeable in a normal/thin weight range.
@french guy
lol. yeh, there are a lot of huge white women with black men. i never understood exactly why, though, seriously.
Roissy, please keep talking about fat. Women have a simple step to beautifying themselves: Lose weight. Even Michelle Obama is pushing a healthy campaign for kids. It’s a problem.
My dad told me when I was growing up: Don’t get fat! And it’s stuck w/ me.
Even the plain/older women can be attractive if thin…a close friend of mine and I have the theory that almost any girl can be reasonably good-looking if she’s thin with long hair.
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Q: What’s the most fattening food in the world?
A: Wedding cake!
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@Feh
Everything seems OK with them. Lots of IOI’s, hair playing, laughing, etc. I bat away the few shit tests with either agree and amplify or simply ignoring them. Start kino about 30 minutes into the encounter. Most meets usually last for about 3 drinks, totally 2-3 hours. For meeting a mere stranger in a bar it seems to go pretty well.
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@UBIQ
Sounds to me like you are underestimating the girls’ willingness to go further. I used to have the same problem back in the day. Escalate, bro, make a move. She wants it.
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Average, run-of-the-mill plain-jane ‘beta’ and omega women don’t date men – they date food.
Hence that is why they balloon to the sizes they do.
If only these women would stop punching out-of-their-league — and stop pathetically throwing themselves like desperate geeks at Alphas to be used-n-abused for a quick pump-n-dump — would this problem of ‘eating your depression away’ begin to possibly subside.
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You know Roissy, you make another strong point. The thing that pisses me off about this whole situation isn’t just the fact that most of those women were glowing with sexual power in the first picture, in the next they look genuinely dead inside.
I will say one or two looked better bigger, but for how long and at what angles is what our masterful manbrains know and bet on!
As it goes for confident fat girls, bitchy fat girls is more like it. You wouldn’t call them fat if you regarded them as confident. That’s not how identities store.
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Plain and / or older women would improve vastly simply by being thin (and with long hair).
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lol @ french guy
i’ve noticed the black guy w/ fat white girls thing. i think black guys are a little more forgiving when it comes to weight and some even prefer a heavier woman because perhaps she’s more pliant overall.
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I actually like chubby chicks, provided they are under ~ 25. The pics linked disgust me as much as anyone else here but if I were to Game a FWB/Goomah I wouldn’t rule out a chubby young thing with firm chubby tits and arse. Fortunately my 39yo wife is trim, horny and hot as hell and worships me (Natural Alpha, Rogue Silverback), so I have little motivation right now.
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Everyone already knows gaining weight harms health and takes away from a person’s appearance. Why keep harping on it. You’re probably nothing to look at yourselves.
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I literally had to restrain myself from punching my computer screen reading the bullshit that women spew. I agree with everything in this post. It is a shame that I am forced to share the Earth with such disgusting wastes of life like fat women. The fact that I have to breathe the same air as them makes me sick just thinking about it.
How can we as a society, get rid of all these fat slobs so that only desirable women are on the Earth? I hope there is a solution somewhere. Fat disgusting pigs!!!!!!
Great post.
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2 words….
Paleo Solution
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It’s interesting, the hamster is not a female only thing. This woman, and many many we all know like it is reacting to a loss of power ( = SMV) by loss of reasoning.
I’ve seen men do it plenty – barking and chest pounding chumps they are, and that familiar tone of the macho, disempowered loser is often reflected in *some* of the overconfident, obviously compensating, comments here.
They call it short man’s syndrome but it’s funny, it’s not me making ridiculous claims of “yeah but I could beat him in an arm wrestle/brawl” or “what a douchebag” when an alpha saunters past with a lovely 9 on his arm.
yeah and so what, you neanderthal chump? Loss of power, loss of sexual market value (via chumpishness) and the result is the same, loss of clear reasoning.
Same again to the poor beta’s in these photos who are complicit, standing alongside while their wife balloons, telling her she’s still beautiful – easier to convince himself this is ok than for him than to accept he’s lost control, and lost power, and, locked in to poor pre selection, his SMV has gone out the window too.
Maybe men are better equipped to evaluate and problem solve, but perhaps the real question is why human egos have such a strong defense mechanism that they hamsterfy when the evidence of their declining power and sexual market value is presented.
Is it an evolutionary kamikaze, to fight on and do maximum damage when all is lost?
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Wenches, start your hamsters!
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Or, as put by Brando,…
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I think women who are still sexually fertile should be thin . However,once old age hits, I think it’s better to be a little more chubby/hearty. When you get old, being really skinny makes you look even more emaciated….
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Girls, take a good look at yourself and consider what you have to offer a man. If the answer is a drumstick from your 21 piece bucket, you better get used to the company of cats.
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UBIQ
You’re moving too slow — and talking too much.
Too much info flatlines the hamster.
Once you get any traction you need to change location — to another bar — or to her place.
You can complain about the noise, music, crowd, drinks or the press of obligation – -but it’s essential that you’ve run out of time.
Your time is too valuable – you’ve got too much going on – whatever.
Changing the venue gives you hand. Once the babe realizes you’re not a creep you can take her/ walk her to zone B wherein you can kino. Get her aroused — I’m a leg and thigh operator — and you’ll have a one-night close.
Less talk and more kino — and get her to talk twice as much as you. If she goes silent just amp up the kino. Silence is typical of wet arousal. So it’s a go ahead cue.
For many on-line hook-ups it is expected that you kino like hell on the first date and go for performance.
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Looking at chubby number one it is apparent that she was highly athletic in her prime.
For modern woman it’s not the modern diet — it’s the modern household conveniences: washing machine, dishwasher, vacuum that have entirely eliminated physical activity.
This then is coupled to Alpha courting TV which is actually absorbed into the hamster as if the XX was in the scene. It’s a hamster level effect not found in XY.
The TV tension leads to gut stuffing. First the ads are loaded with gut filling suggestions. Second, she’s the cook. There is no observant controlling party – -she’s all alone.
Next, porking up means less sex — if any. Ejaculate is loaded with antidepressant drugs for XX. In Paleolithic times this booster would be inserted every evening — even as the XX had to wait for the XY to finish his meal before ANY food was permitted to her. ( Lousy cooking meant that the food was thrown to the ground — starvation punishment. Hey, we were savages back then. )
It may come to the point that the household food will have to be locked up until lover boy comes home. Rather like locking up the booze when confronted with an angry abusive wife who torments the kids.
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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/20/fitness-photographer-jason-james-ellis-marries-teen-hes-accused/
More evidence of the now obvious. Photographer bosses people around including the models, has alpha traits… and gets the tight, hot, 18 year old model.
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“Income levels, if I recall correctly, are the largest predictors of obesity/overweightness.”
Income levels are the cause…
“My guess is that these women are proles who were either completely influenced by an education system that does not teach them to think independently,”
No, wait, it was the education system…
“or not intelligent enough to care for themselves.”
No, wait, it was God or Mother nature who made them fat.
“These women are to be pitied for karma will be coming back to them in a cruel way for mistreating their bodies.”
Pity these women, for their actions will rebound on them for cruelly mistreating their bodies…
“Politicians and the food industry should be blamed as they are the root of this mess.”
Wait, but you just said the women should be blamed. If it was the politicians and food industry to blame, wouldn’t the bad karma hit them?
“The corn and soy industry in the developed world wields terrifying political power.”
TERRIFYING! BOO!
“Think lobbies, influence over the FDA, ect. Their antics have become like crack cocaine for the common people.”
Common people? Proles? Nice red book you got there…
“By flooding the markets with cheap-to-produce processed foods (often made with derivatives of their excess corn and soy supply), people of lower income have powerful incentives to obtain calories at a low value and a high (long term) price.”
Hey, Ted Kennedy was fat, and rich. So is Michael Moore. What’s their excuse.
“And politicians…having absolutely no concept of reality allow them to get away with poisoning their own people.”
Ahhh, yes. They certainly would not be in on the scam if it would as lucrative as you claim.
“And work the entire ploy does…beautifully.”
Uh, yeah, still trying to flow chart out whose to blame for the fat chicks based on your post…
“A few back of the envelope calculations”
Would that envelope have contained a rejection notice from Nation or Mother Jones?
“will show that the average person in Massachussetts consumes 144 lbs of potatoes for year. Over HALF (88 lbs IIRC) of that is from processed foods…not fresh. Considering what often accompanies these potatoes (HFC syrup, soy lechitin, ect), it is a worrying trend.”
Whole lotta bad karma building up for somebody, you bet.
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What is the logical reason women prefer food to sex? Come on now, you superior logically thinking men can surely answer that riddle.
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Even worse than “no man likes anorexics”…
No *REAL* man likes anorexics.
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[Editor: A confident fat man will do muich better in the dating market than a confident fat woman.]
?? A confident fat woman is not analogous to a confident fat man. The trait you’re looking for to make that comparison is a sweet, feminine fat woman.
That said, a confident fat man will do much better than a sweet, feminine fat woman.
I just wanted to point out that confidence isn’t much of a factor in a woman’s market value.
@The Man Who Was “From my past experience, big breasts on fatter girls may look superficially appealing, but when you touch them, they tend to be loose, baggy and kind of gross.”
I agree. They’re also not very sensitive. Many woman of healthy weight can just about orgasm off of breast stimulation alone. It’s a beautiful thing that fat women miss out on.
@Rachel: “explain this”
I explain it in two ways. First, by pointing out that terms like thin and slim are fuzzy. When a 1930’s poster talks of thin girls, it isn’t describing the same BMI that you have in mind. Secondly, there’s a principal of sexual selection that dictates that individuals prefer mates on the other side of an equilibrium point. I’ll look up the studies if you’re really interested, but it was proven with a certain kind of bird – what the females really preferred was a particular tail length. But in an environment in which all the males had short tails, some females preferred tails longer than that ideal length. In an environment in which all the males had long tails, some preferred shorter than that ideal length. It’s probably an example of regression to the mean. Anyway, the upshot is that if you live in 1930’s when people may have been below healthy weight, a minority of men fetishize fatter women. Today, in a world of fatties, a minority fetishize those that are too thin. But the real ideal value for the majority hasn’t changed. (and also note, the internet makes it so that a tiny, tiny minority that fetish *any* behavior are visible, so don’t think that because there are websites for fat chasers that has any bearing on my comment)
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What is even sadder is the men out there – Alpha and beta alike – who will have relations with these kinds of women.
Heck, why should these land whales go through the disciplined rigors of a diet and exercise when there are plenty of guys (both the desirable and the not-so-desirable guys) hitting them up for sex to ratch up there notch count.
*Ah, the wonders of rampant promiscuity… 😉
[Editor: Maybe, but these men are the bottom of the barrel. And let’s just say they’re not sticking around to cuddle with the fatty and buy her flowers.]
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I’m doing some research on epigenetics for a term paper and I’ve read several studies showing that kids from mothers who are obese/overweight when they are pregnant are more likely to have birth defects (up to 2x the normal risk in some), difficult births, and are 4x as likely to develop obesity at later ages. Interestingly, the kids born after their mothers got antiobesity procedures were 52% less likely to be obese compared to their siblings born before the surgery.
So fatties, stop being fat. It’ll fuck your kids too.
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“Fat women need love too… but they gotta pay.” -Quagmire
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Gotta watch them carbs.
Paleo diet, squats, and standing workstation all the way.
I’m in college and frequently see fat chicks who would be very bang-able if they just lost some fucking weight. Such a waste.
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@Nice Young Ladies
“They call it short man’s syndrome but it’s funny, it’s not me making ridiculous claims of “yeah but I could beat him in an arm wrestle/brawl” or “what a douchebag” when an alpha saunters past with a lovely 9 on his arm.”
Actually, you’re not being ridiculous. Chumps do have a rationalization hamster of their own, and it generally manifests itself when an asshole like myself strolls by a chump with an 8 or 9 and the dude thinks “why is she with him he’s such an asshole! If only she knew how nice I am and that I would treat her right!” My ex used to get that all the time from orbiters via text message. I would laugh it off.
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I’m in college and frequently see fat chicks who would be very bang-able if they just lost some fucking weight. Such a waste.
Aw please, they get ‘banged’ more often than you would like to believe .. or imagine.
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Ever notice on Facebook, when ever an average/fugly/fat chick post’s her picture you have like ten women (only women) chime in with their comments under the picture saying stuff like “HOT!” “you’re so pretty!” “damn you look good” when in fact she isn’t?!
Are women trying to make their not so attractive friend feel better about herself?! Or is there another scheme involved here of setting the bar low in order to boast their own attractive scale up.
They want to draw attention to themselves. They hope that next to the whale they will look appealing.
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Nice Young Lady
A hero of mine, Winston Churchill, was confronted once at a party by a high-born lady who took offense at his manly drinking. She said, “Winston, you’re drunk.”
He replied, “Yes I am. But in the morning I will be sober but you will still be fat.”
Guys can recover, with some efffort, from a lapse in their level of game brought on by the demoralization that tends to follow being around a fat woman.
A far gone fat woman? She may as well kill herself. She will never get it back and the only type guy she will encounter willing to drain his balls into one of her orifices is the type with no other options.
Enjoy.
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Off-topic…I’m de-lurking after several weeks reading this site, which is a godsend. Wanted to share a routine I came up with that has been working for me.
I call the routine “Movie Hand-holding Policy” – used on the first movie date with a chick. Normally this a chick who has already held my hand in some situation (I like Style’s “Quadruple Hand Test”) or has given me good IOIs.
(sit down in theater before movie starts, while you can still carry on conversation)
(hold out hand to girl, palm up and fingers spread, in sort of an imperious gesture to “take my hand”. Have done this 6 times, all took my hand at this point.)
(immediately pull away, holding your hand by your chest)
Me: Wait, I forgot to tell you my policy for holding hands during a movie.
Her: What policy?
Me: Oh, you can hold my hand anytime during the movie you want. But if you do touch my hand, that means we’re gong to kiss in the parking lot after the movie. And I don’t mean a peck, I mean a make-out kiss.
Her: (protest/indeignation)
Me: Sorry, I’ve had this policy since I was like, 17. If I gave you a break, I’d have to give everybody a break.
(slowly extend hand again, while grinning at her. 4 of 6 took my hand at this point, game over. 2 had shields to break down.)
Her: Fine, I’m not doing it.
Me: So you’re not touching my hand?
Her: Nope!
Me: OK, your call.
(keep your noverbals joking/firendly)
Me: So you’re not going to touch my hand….
Her: No.
Me. Cool.
(Keep smiling. Look away from her at the movie screen. Reach down and run the backs of your fingertips up the outside of her thigh. Slowly escalate until you’re running your fingertips up the top of, then the inside of, her thigh. Glance at her once in a while to mock her “stoicism” at ignoring your touch. But she will eventually break down and grab your hand.)
Of the 6 girls I have tried this on, one made out with me in the parking lot (the one with the toughest shield). The others made out with me during the movie.
A variation is to keep track of how many times they touch your hand (i.e. they let go of your hand to eat popcorn, scratch their nose, or whatever, then hold your hand again). Tell them afterwards they owe you a “kiss” for each time.
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@Anonymous
Fat chicks don’t get banged in college, trust me.
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At the office party or the potluck dinner or at low-key get-togethers where invitees bring food — watch the blumpusses orbit the banquet table and chatter as the food is laid out. It’s like watching blimps flying in formation.
Happens every time.
There’s some kind of weird short-circuit in these girls’ brains about food. I’ve seen them choose “the salad, with lite dressing” among coworkers, at lunch. Yet, they bloat up like blowfish month by month. Clearly, the Dove ice cream bars and such are regular fare at home.
The weirdest thing to me, though, is that women have, almost without exception, wildly distorted body images. I have met exactly one woman in my life that had an accurate body image. She described herself as having, “…my poddy body…” She wasn’t fat. Just short, compact and somewhat muscular. Athlete girl.
All the rest worry “my thighs are too fat” or “my butt is too big” from the slender ones or “do you think these jeans make me look cute ?” from the size 22 blump-girl.
It’s amazing to see a face made up with exquisite care, hair styled and brushed to a fine luster, but then see huge rolls of fat packed into a too-tight blouse and slacks and to see this person waddle around almost painfully. This just seems bizarre and delusional, to me, but I see it every day.
So, how did this hamster decide to rationalize “aspect of the manatee” ?
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I have seen these photos before. Some of them are the run of the mill once a beauty buried in fat while others are sheer horrors of hormonal alchemy. What is with the upper roles on one of them? A fat ass on a girl is still following estrogen fat packing rules, but the stack of tires in the mid section on the one…
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@Anonymous
Fat chicks don’t get banged in college, trust me.
With all due respect bro, fat chicks, like any other women, do seem to get way more attention than their male counterparts do — in any and all walks of life.
Again, the wonders of unchecked promiscuity 😦
The big caveat, of course, is that the land whales have to settle for a pump-n-dump — whilst their prettier and fitter sisters have way more power in attaining a relationship (or at the very least some level of commitment, or investment) from a desirable, high(er) value man.
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I like a woman with some heft and big boobs, provided she is not grossly overweight. I much prefer her to a skinny girl who looks like a boy.
I think in Europe you find a lot more of the pleasingly round type of woman. In the U.S. tend to extremes – either fat or skinny, both gross and unfeminine.
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Do a woman a favor and school her ass — (since most cannot do it themselves)…
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“NOT eating and destroying their health and subsequently their metabolism in order to attain impossible standards is why they got bigger.”
If there is any logic hidden in this statemant then it could be based on a view, that former anorectics tend to fall on other extreme and become bulimic to compensate.
But it is false anyway. I have a former anorectic girlfriend now and she is very lean still, altrough seven years have gone since she cured from anorexia. Altrough she regrets her anorectic past, I am secretly glad she was anorectic once, but I keep it to myself 🙂
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I like a woman with some heft and big boobs, provided she is not grossly overweight.
The “Tubby Temptress” was not ‘grossly’ overweight either
I much prefer her to a skinny girl who looks like a boy.
TT (Miss Tubby) was not skinny and not only looked like a boy, but like Michael Dukakis in drag.
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Some more choice tidbits –
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*Don’t reward attention-whoring –
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In this new age, with New Men, all things are Redefinable.
Change the words – and change Reality!
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It’s viscerally painful for a fat woman to admit that she’s less attractive to almost all men because she’s fat.
It’s much easier to blame men for not being attracted to her, or Society for having Standards.
Or maybe other people made her fat. Society made me a Cow.
Now you have to love me!
Love me!
If you don’t love me, I’m going to deny you don’t love me and call the Thought Police!
If your dick doesn’t get hard right NOW, I’m going to call you a Sizeist! I will! And I’ll get the sisters to… call you a Sizeist Pig!
And we’ll all write op-eds and make companies start really painfully awful ad campaigns with fat women that get pulled fast because not even fat women want to see fat women!
But I’m Perfect! Look at
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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The problem is, black men actually *like* women to be fat. This is true, go ask Obsidian (who will happily post pictures of women he finds attractive, that are not just fat, but wrinkly too).
Since black men keep fat women sexually relevant, that prevents fat white women from facing the consequences of their actions. This is tantamount to black men conspiring to harm the well-being of white men, by encouraging white women to become fat without penalty.
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Feminists and anti-sizeist activists try to silence people, but the truth is, when we see this:
We all squirm inside.
Even the feminists know it’s not true, that there’s a biological program. But they’re loathe to admit it. Admitting it undermines everything they so desperately need to believe.
The public sexual nonexistence of fat women seals the case.
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Loathe is a verb. Loath is an adjective.
You can be loath to admit that you loathe something. You cannot be “loathe” to do anything.
Worth noting, as a surprisingly elementary error in a blog with otherwise consistently good writing.
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Have you tried getting the girl back to your place on the first date?
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At least the O.P. admitted that a couple of the pictures at that site were Photoshopped, and pretty amateurishly so. I’d wager the majority are, probably all of them. There are boards which are full of nothing but weight-gain Photoshops, and I’d wager that that’s where most if not all of these images came from.
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As Rum pointed out, guys who fuck fatties tend to have no other options.
There is the rare lothario who will fuck anything that moves. Ninety nine percent of men are as selective as they can afford to be, and will fuck the highest ranking hottest girl they can.
Fatties are for slumming it when 10 beers and a week of no sex and no other last call options are available. Or so I hear. I’ve never fucked a fatty. I believe most men wouldn’t, or couldn’t.
A hot girl gives me a boner on sight. A fatty makes my horrored eyes frantically search around for sexy relief from the grossosity. Quick – tight ass! Quench my burning eyes!
Maybe fatties get laid. But they must be either scraping the bottom of the barrel, or they all fuck the same 5 guys.
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I tend to disagree with what I believe to be the point of this post – that women kid themselves into believing that being fat is attractive to men.
Obviously, Janeway wrote an idiotic comment, and I didn’t read any of the others at that site, but I imagine they’re some variation on imbecilic. But doesn’t The Chateau routinely (and accurately) preach that there’s an enormous chasm between what women say and what they harbor deep in their psyche.
No woman will ever say “a fat woman is disgusting”, unless she’s trying to put down a chubby competitor, but they all know full well it is. No woman will ever say “I want a guy to put me in my place” etc…either.
I suspect even Janeway, in her unspoken thoughts, is more connected to reality than her post would have you believe.
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xsplat
That analogy is a bit odd. A genuine schizophrenic doesn’t just say she thinks she can fly. She may well soar off a building some day because she’s internalized her delusion.
My point is Janeway knows what she’s saying is BS. She knows she probably needs to lose weight, but when speaking, especially when speaking in public forums, women are always saying crap they know to be untrue. They feel a bond to the sisterhood, if you will. Nothing like a schizophrenic at all.
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Laughing, it’s exactly like a schizophrenic.
In SOME portion of her brain, she knows she can’t fly.
Girls have segmented minds, with different beliefs at odds. Thus their need to rationalize.
They don’t REALLY believe this, deep down. They have CONFLICTING beliefs. An ununified mind. Thus we call them irrational.
It’s difficult for men to imagine, as we expect there to be order to a mind.
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Why Pierce Brosnan would marry a woman already in her 30s is beyond me. But here’s what happened as a result:
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http://izismile.com/2010/11/22/losing_15_stone_in_18_months_21_pics.html
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I have never met a fat girl who doesnt LOVE to eat. They talk about food all the time.
Girls, once settled, dont care much about sex. That’s the reality . So they turn to food and shopping and kids, that’ s their lives. Meanwhile, their husbands go sex-starved.
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Two paths when confronted with the realization that “thin is beautiful, but I’m not thin.”
1. Healthy path – eat right and exercise to regain thinness.
2. Neurotic path – redefine beauty.
Stop fucking fat chicks! Not even in the ass – your dick is not a drain snake that will clean out her plumbing. She’s not backed up … she’s fat.
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“Girls, once settled, dont care much about sex. ”
Which reminds us of the game principle to never let your girl feel settled.
Keep her feeling unsettled.
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@Laughing Shadow
“No woman will ever say “I want a guy to put me in my place” etc…either.”
I had a girl over last night and she confessed her fantasy is having a guy slap her across her face and put her in her place.
Direct quote.
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@ xsplat and hippotimus
A woman already at your place is sharing nothing like she’d share on-line. This is a debate I have that gets the woman flailing. I tell them that there is a noticeable difference between what women tell me one-on-one (I’m not like other women…My best friends are guys) and what they say in a group (or on-line). Suddenly, it’s “Hell no. We aren’t like that.”
Don’t judge a woman’s real thoughts while she’s posting amongst the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.
And x splat, if your point, reduced to its essence, is that women are all schizophrenic, you are quite wrong. And I get your point about their ability, particularly when it works in their favor, to compartmentalize their feelings, but all women are simply not schizophrenic. They just aren’t, and you really fail to understand that disease if you throw it out there so lightly. They aren’t.
Most women, frankly, are more aware of what men need and want than men are. That is why this site attracts so many men. We were never taught what women already knew, and we therefore never responded to them in a way that would have been productive.
OK. Live and learn, but the idea that women, who understood this better than we did, deserve to labeled schizophrenic is really way off.
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Laughing, shizophrenic was a metaphor, not a psychiatric label.
You posit that deep down women know that fat is disgusting, and their dissimulation is disingenuous.
I agree with you, but with an added twist. A twist I suspect you have not considered, because if it were true, it would mean that women think in ways so flawed as to be similar to a mental disease. Women are not aware of their dissimulation. They don’t merely hide the truth, they are not aware of it even to themselves.
They are not merely emotionally compartmentallized, but in all ways compartmentallized. Their narratives may as well belong to different people. They don’t even try to make one whole big picture out of individual facts. They are happy to let facts lie loose.
I’m surprised you haven’t noticed this. This maddening fact of how women can be pre-rational has vexed men for millenia.
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The idea that needs to be crushes is that aerobics is the key to staying thin.
The really key to getting an ideal body is lifting weights and proper diet.
I’ve seen several women lose all their muscle mass in their early 20’s because they only did aerobics and diet. That’s makes them ‘skinny-fat’.
Once that muscle is lost, the next step is Stay Puffed Marshmallow body.
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xsplat
I don’t know. I don’t know how old you are, but you sound very bright, so I’ll assume you’re old enough to have met many women that have freaked out, knew they had, you didn’t play into it (ignored them, started chatting with a friend) and they eventually came back to you.
And you probably did well with them. But didn’t they later tell you that they were turned on by the fact that you didn’t put up with their crap? Maybe not. But they always told me. I always took that admission as a sign they knew they were off the deep end and just wanted an anchor.
I’m not sure what we’re arguing about at this point. Janeway can yammer on all she wants. What she needs is an anchor, and I suspect she knows it and will change her tune when she gets it.
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Roissy,
What do you think of this?
http://lgfonevolution.blogspot.com/2011/04/wisdom-of-female-dominance.html (My blog and its SFW)
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As I said, Laughing – women may know they are full of shit, but they don’t know that they know. Or, they at once know and don’t know. Their brains don’t work like ours do.
A man thinks that he either is aware of something, or not. Women’s awareness is not binary. Think of an orange. Each segment of the orange can have a different narrative going on. As a man we think the orange must really know deep down what is going on, but that’s not correct. The orange is segmented, with no need for much communication between the segments. Women are happy in their contradictions, and don’t even try to resolve them. They don’t “really” know the “real” truth.
They have conflicting narratives.
I know it’s difficult for men to empathize with. It’s truly fucked up. Crazy, even.
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A better analogy is hypnosis, or trance. Have you ever played with that?
With self hypnosis or autosuggestion you can make your hand go numb. Or make it float up into the air, outside your “volition”. You can of course do this to others as well, which is easier.
Our awareness at such times becomes divided. Do we really know that our hand is not “really” numb?
There is no single cental processor that all info gets rammed through to become awareness. We can have divided awarenesses – awarenesses that conflict.
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An Asian girl once told me white men are attracted to them because they are built like young boys.
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at the nexus of online dating and eating…
I gave that online shit a whirl for a while. I observed an odd phenomenon, specifically in the roughly 24-29 age group: A significant number of girls would include as their primary picture a photo of them with a fork, smiling and eating a big cheesecake, or usually some other rich dessert, probably taken on one of their girly vacation adventures. Some of these women were totally hot, but some were straight up entering bbw territory. All are proud to be slammin down that cheesecake. Maybe ‘janeway’ was one? I just can’t comprehend how a picture of you eating is supposed to up your cuteness factor.
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Great post.
Deconstructing that Janeway comment was gold.
You see, if fat people truly felt comfortable and preferred being fat, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I mean, I still wouldn’t go for it, but I would respect fat people more.
However, while they constantly say they are “proud to be fat,” “comfortable with who I am,” and “lots of men prefer bigger girls!” their behaviors betray their true beliefs.
These very same people who go on and on about how being fat is fine and even looks better are the first to jump on the next diet bandwagon. How on earth is that congruent? It’s simply not.
I have known plenty of these types of women. (Yes, women. Fat men seem to know they’re less attractive physically.) They are constantly dieting (well, not really, they make a weak attempt for a few days before giving up) and yet, apparently, fat is supposedly where it’s at?
WTF?!
And have you ever seen so much spam comments as on that site? 2/3 of them think the fatter versions are hotter?! In what world? I’ve never, ever, seen that. Somehow, that site has managed to attract every chubby chaser in the world. LOL
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I’ve seen two instances firsthand in my relatively sheltered “married friends” existence where literal land whales land another man, remarrying so quickly after a divorce that one must despair one’s fellow man.
Whether these were omega men with “no other options” or not is immaterial.
The beasties suffered accountability for neither their weight nor their having driven away their original husbands with additional attitude.
In the oft-cited words of Pogo: “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”
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The only silver lining & saving grace for one? The chick in the black w/white stripes? Gained a rack.
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” How on earth is that congruent? It’s simply not.”
Women have different brain connective tissue than men. As I recall they have more white matter – so you’d think they could hold all their facts together in one big picture. Strangely, this is precisely what they don’t do.
Men take it as natural that the state of being aware is homogenous. Our theory of mind, which we apply to women, is that you either are, or are not aware of something. When we have theories of the world, we put our puzzle pieces together into the same picture.
Women put their puzzle pieces into 100 different pictures. They don’t even bother to begin to try to have facts fit congruently into a whole big picture.
Not only can’t women read a map, they can’t visualize a big picture.
They can be aware of one thing, and not aware of it, AT THE SAME TIME.
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I always thought the reason many white women are secretly (or not) interested in black men has to do with their tolerance, even preference, for fat girls.
Nothing makes a fat girl feel as good about herself as having some guy who’s built like an underwear model think he won the lottery because she lets him stick his dick in her hole.
Which explains, I imagine, why fat black girls don’t have the body image issues fat white girls do.
To which I say to my (metaphoric) black brothers, better you than me when it comes to fucking fat chicks.
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Fat is a sign of health problems: a symptom of insulin resistance.
Getting fat doesn’t make you a diabetic. Eating a shitty diet makes you insulin resistant, which makes you fat, and creates a spiral until your body doesn’t use the insulin hormone correctly.
Some people don’t gain as much fat but become diabetic because they keep calories low. That is why it is so important to understand what a good calorie and bad calorie is. People think that simply reducing calorie intake will make you skinny. It will make you lose weight, yes. Just look at concentration camp pictures.
But it isn’t healthy at all. Not one bit. Simply lowering your bodyweight may help with moving around but that is about it, superficially.
Starving yourself will cause your body to lose fat and muscle as well. Mostly muscle because your body thinks it is starving. The scale will go down but then you’ll hit a wall. Your metabolism will slow down; your body temperature will drop. Then you’ll have to reduce calories even further and you’ll start getting weak bones. Muscles drive energy burning and most of your muscles will have long been savaged because your body desperately needs protein.
The hormone insulin keeps blood sugar in check, when blood sugar spikes insulin is used to sweep the excess up that isn’t needed for current use. Sugar that isn’t needed is stored as fat by insulin. But because the modern western diet is high in sugar spiking carbs, the body needs to produce more and more insulin. It is only a matter of time before body fat stores fill up and you can’t regulate blood sugar. DIABETUS!
Depending on where your ancestry lies, you may be able to enjoy certain types of carbohydrates better than others. Many Asians can handle rice and starches – Arabs as well. Other times simply body mechanics or genetics play the biggest role.
Calories in/calories out is a nice theory that doesn’t work. A 21 year old man in college can eat pizza and junk food and still maintain a good bodyweight, because his hormone levels set his metabolic rate. Take that same food to the same man at the same bodyweight, but aged 35, and he’ll pack the pounds on: same calories, same man, different metabolic rate, and different results.
There is hope of course. The truth will as always set one free. Avoid listening to any run of the mill dietician. Ignore the completely farcical US Government food triangle/pyramid/whatever Michelle Obama is pushing. Those nutrient breakdowns are arbitrary and not based on any hard science, merely on the influence of large agricultural lobbyists to pump corn oils, bread and other shit (that they also use to fatten up farm animals). Read all you can about the “lipid hypothesis” and how America was hoodwinked into believing animal fat makes you fat and causes heart attacks.
You can start with the Paleo or Primal movement, but remember there have been some advances in science for the better so you don’t have to be hardcore about it. Atkins isn’t bad. This isn’t some diet you just do to lose some weight. Stick with healthy eating and staying active.
Ladies: yes: grass finished meats, fish oil, squats. No: whole grain, lowfat-anything, jogging.
Well, guys too. Just remember that saturated fats are needed to make testosterone.
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Thinking back, all my high school friends wives (I’m the last single survivor) are ALL fucking fat except one.
lat week I was visiting them with their new baby and I looked at her and said
“Don’t get fat”
Her: I’m not fat (She’s not. She’s even thinner than before the baby)
As I’m pointing to my bud and looking at her I say
“I know you’re not fat but he doesn’t want a fat wife.
DON”T GET FAT”
She bowed her head and didn’t respond.
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When I was younger and working in a shitty restaurant, I had a crush on a coworker. He was young, a bit redneck-y but good looking and outgoing. I was 18, a college co-ed, cute and slim. I was too shy to pursue him but admired him from afar and tried to flirt a bit. My crush crashed to earth when I heard he had a girlfriend, and plummeted straight to hell when I saw her. She was pasty and massively obese, with oily blonde hair and an equally unfortunate face. Even worse, she was depressed and bitchy (as I’m sure anyone would be trapped in that body). Not only was I no longer interested in him, I was actively repulsed because I assumed something must *really* be wrong with him if that was the best he could do.
That’s why dating, or even being seen with an obese woman at last call is bad even for the beta-est of betas. Attractive women who might be interested will RUN, assuming you’re a chubby chaser or worse. I can’t think of a bigger DLV, it’s a killer.
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It’s amusing and sad to see that “childbirth = weight gain” is so firmly ingrained in the minds of most people here. What a bunch of enabling B.S. I live in China and have known many, many women who have given birth. Soon, they’re back to their old selves. Heck, one of my favorite types of women to seduce is women with children (married or not) as they’ve already got commitments and won’t get crazy ideas of marriage. Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free? I never feel bad about cuckolding the Chinese men as they have absolutely horrid attitudes towards their wives. There is a Confucian belief that a man who has sex more than once a month disturbs his yang and is in danger of getting sick. So, once a month for two minutes and he’s done. Plus there’s the fact that a lot of men regard their wives like friends and don’t see them as sexual beings.
Uhh, kind of got off track there but the fact remains: childbirth does NOT cause obesity. Period. The typical Chinese diet is disgustingly healthy, consisting of vegetables, rice or noodles, and a little bit of meat. Let’s put these fatties on the vegetable/rice diet for six months and watch the weight fall off. Plus, there is the benefit that Real Chinese Food is wonderfully delicious, and after six months of steady eating, a twinkie will taste totally gross.
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@UBIQ
Not everyone has the same intentions with online dating. It varies from short term, long term, new friends (stupid IMO), ‘intimate encounters’, etc.
I’m going to assume the reason you’re striking out is you’re going after the wrong crowd. Game is a lot like hypnotism, in that it only works on a willing participant. You want to focus on the women whose intention is to get gamed, i.e. the “random hookups” crowd.
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I lost 80 pounds in my mid-30’s. And it wasn’t via snake oil remedies but gasp, diet and exercise. This year I turn 40 and have a 32 inch waist
The most important thing people on diets forget to do is splurge and that’s why they go on binges and quit. And by splurge I mean one day a week go off the diet and reward yourself with something you like. Don’t eat like a pig and keep your portions reasonable but enjoy it. Otherwise resentment ensues for the diet itself and people eventually give up.
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Blondie got some monster cans with that weight…if she loses the fat, will the tits still be big and saggy?
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I want to add that it took me 3 years to get where I’m at today. And I have absolutely no worries about gaining it back because during that time, I not changed my eating habits but my lifestyle as well.
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With regards to the blonde mess; That stomach tat must look real good now.
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Enough with the diet advice. The fatty fat fats pictured became lard asses through binge drinking 4-5 nights a week.
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lat week I was visiting them with their new baby and I looked at her and said
“Don’t get fat”
Her: I’m not fat (She’s not. She’s even thinner than before the baby)
As I’m pointing to my bud and looking at her I say
“I know you’re not fat but he doesn’t want a fat wife.
DON”T GET FAT”
She bowed her head and didn’t respond.
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This never happened…
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Don’t some of you actually like BIG breasted women? The girl in the photo has BIG, actually HUGE breasts! hehe!!
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Thwack: An Asian girl once told me white men are attracted to them because they are built like young boys.
Let me guess: an American Asian girl? And a self-hating one as well? Seriously, that line gets used over and over as sort of a “sour grapes” Aesop. Yes, they have different figures. Anyone who likes this diversity of shapes must have SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM. I see it all the time in the Chinese media, retconning facts to fit a pet theory.
They’re attractive because their faces are so cute and they’re not tubs of lard. I can go a month without seeing ten fat people in China. It’s more like ten minutes in America.
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Black men don’t like fat women. BROKE men like fat women.
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@UBIQ
I had the exact same experience as you regarding online dating. I have paused my online dating efforts to take some time for reflection, research, and analysis.
The most important thing I have discovered that is directly relevant to online dating:
Women you meet via online dating expect INSTANT chemistry. If you don’t make their panties wet within the first few minutes, you’ll need to seriously upgrade your Game during the course of the date.
Since you properly identified the signs of interest and chemistry, you definitely need to escalate more boldly and assertively. Think about this – your online dating efforts have already resulted in some degree of pre-selection, use that to your advantage.
If the signs are there, that first date should result in a serious goodnight kiss at the very minimum.
Also, are you paying for everything?
The rest of your online dating process is fine and clearly works.
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The way someone looks is so shallow and so fleeting. I can’t understand these Neanderthals who are still so shallow in the 21st century. Its a person’s character that matters.
When will women evolve and simply put a baby’s name and transliterations of their baby’s babble in a scrape book along with the deep and meaningful interfacing that have. Look at all that exposed skin. Is that all women think about? Those photo’s are sooo fake too, kay. Babies don’t look like that in the real work with all the lighting and photo editing.
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I will never be likely to forget…
A few too many years ago I attended a party. It lasted until the early hours. There was a young woman, nineteen years or so, there, dancing around, and drawing every pair of male eyes in the room to her. I next saw her about two years later, and she must have put on about sixty pounds. I barely recognised her. I would not have touched her with yours (as we say over here). So sad.
But it is all the fault of men. if we had not invented fast food and labour saving devices, then these women would still be slim!!!
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Looking at Japanese photos after the tsunami, I did notice great tragedy… in my country. I have no Asian fetish at all, but nearly every, somewhat youngish woman I saw in the footage was , at the very least, not repulsive. Still more were quite pleasant looking. We lose to Japan badly as a body of womanhood notwithstanding my preference for the best of Euro ancestry in the States. What humiliation it is to sing a patriotic song for a population of female stock, that for lack of want everywhere, needs no defense (unless I underestimate their value in biodiesel feedstock).
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xplat
Actually men compartmentalize too, just not to the same extent. For example, it’s pretty common for people to wall off their logical thinking skills and only apply them to a few areas (like work), which leaves them believing all sorts of nonsensical crap in other areas (politics, religion, dating).
But yeah, I have to agree with the general idea. Self-deception plays a much stronger role in female mating strategies than in male ones, and the best way to fool yourself is to believe your own lies at the moment you tell them. A lot of women I’ve met have a truly frightening ability to earnestly believe anything for 60 seconds, and glibly rationalize the contradictions away without ever consciously noticing them.
It would be interesting to see some actual research on this mechanism, but of course that isn’t likely to happen anytime soon. In my own personal search for an explanation I’ve gone through several different theories in the last few years, but the ones that seem to fit the data are all pretty strange.
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I lay the uglification and fatinisation of our women at the feet of beta men. Of which I was one. And, I am responsible for the destruction of a hot woman.
When I got married, I married a very beautiful woman. As we lived our life together, I should have stopped her from eating a whole carrot cake and an entire pot full of spaghetti.
Instead, I wanted her to be happy, and it seemed as though having her face stuffed made her happy. Then, she started getting fat and I cared for her less.
She then became a bitch, the more I checked out, the more she bitched.
Now that I have moved out of betaville, there is nothing I can do to fix her, but I am resolved to never do it again.
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Starting a Facebook account let me see the ravishes of the fat-time continuum first hand. There was a really hot girl in high school, a few years behind me. Petite, soft glowing skin and amazing eyes. Kind of shy in the attractive way. She was crushing on me hard but I never made the right moves and I blew it.
That was 1995 or so. Jumpo to 2008 or so:
She finds me on Facebook. She was single (and let me know multiple times!) and had some pictures up that didn’t show the true horror of fat/time. Once we were friended, she was a beast. The once young, nubile girl of around 100 lbs or so had balooned. I’d put her tonnage at close to 200. And her blotchy skin showed the leathery ravages of excessive tanning. She had beer in her hand in most of the pictures. Pure trash.
And this was just the first of many old gf’s/fucks/female friends that didn’t even attempt to stay fit as they aged. Depressing.
@Ave Veritas
Fitness and diet advice is always good to post. You can only point out how fucking ugly fat women are for so long. And yes drinking sugary alcohol mixers 4-5 nights a week contributes. So does eating supposedly healthy low fat shit.
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Concurrent but mutually exclusive claims by the
same person is not as rare as you would think.
Proverbially (in my native Sweden, way back)
the syllogism goes
1) Your jar was already broken when I borrowed it
2) …and it was intact when I returned it
3)…and by the way, I never borrowed any jar.
The US Fedgov has a habit of doing something
similar, when it sees behavior of which it disapproves,
and will unhesitatingly file a heap of charges
which cannot LOGICALLY all be true, in the hopes
that SOMETHING will stick. As a lawyer for the
defense, I would pounce on this and argue that
not even the accusers believe the charges.
(Sorry, I don’t have an example at my fingertips,
anybody?)
Thor
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OT: Good Read for those wanting to make a physical change in life.
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Yeah! Slim (but not tooo slim, anorexia, while
much more rare, can be ugly too) is always in.
Check out Taylor Schilling in Atlas Shrugged Part1,
the movie.
http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com
Thor
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on April 21, 2011 at 12:26 pm Harland
Thwack: An Asian girl once told me white men are attracted to them because they are built like young boys.
Let me guess: an American Asian girl? And a self-hating one as well?
[They’re attractive because their faces are so cute and they’re not tubs of lard.]
And thats exactly what the pedophiles say about pre teen boys.
Interesting.
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That is obsolete. It is not an accurate indicator of attractiveness anymore because the blubber begins to sag over the hips. Use progressive and up-to-date metrics like:
whale-to-chic ratio
food-waste-shit-ho
chase-to-eat-oreos
who-chases-fat-Flo
And
kaesekuchen-to-thump
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It used to be that if you had to marry a fat girl to get sex, you could at least reasonably expect that she knew how to cook (hence the saying “Cookin’ lasts – Kissin’ don’t”).
As much as women have destroyed their physical beauty which we men desire above all else, they have also systematically gotten rid of any reason why we should want to engage in sexual relationships with them besides that beauty.
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@Harland
What China do you live in? I’ve been to China and all I saw were a bunch of dumpy, horribly clothed women who don’t wear make-up. I was very much looking forward to what I thought would be a trip full of nice eye candy. I was very disappointed. They’re not huge, true, but they don’t look in shape at all. Of course, as with anywhere, there were a few real cuties there with the whole package, but on the whole, I found the women there very disappointing.
Japan, on the other hand… I’d say a good 80% to 90% don’t classify as overweight. Those that do would still only be considered average in the U.S. Plus they know how to dress and make themselves up to look feminine and pleasing.
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xsplat
Anonymous coward
“Coward” for posting anonymously?
Oh, and I am sure you were born with the name “xsplat”.
Face it slick, da truth hurts about what I said, that is why you are lashing out at me for what I had to truthfully said about ‘guys’ like you f-cking, at least attempting to, anything with a vagina that moves.
That is why you had to move to Asia, splatty, since you can’t cut it with your own kind of women.
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There is the rare lothario who will fuck anything that moves. Ninety nine percent of men are as selective as they can afford to be, and will fuck the highest ranking hottest girl they can.
Mmm hmm..
Try to understand my overall point: Since most ‘lotharios’ are truly rare, and since the average man is beta, and most women are plain-jane ‘betas’ themselves, the ‘highest ranking hottie’ these men will be able to attract will often be, at the least, um, ‘pleasantly plump’, to say the least.
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UBIQ, what’s the hook that you use with online girls to get them interested?
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Fucking gold…no diamond. Frame this shit and hang it on a wall. More of this and less of the rape bull shit please.
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Thwack:
You seem to know a whole lot about the preferences of homosexual pedophiles. What the fuck, dude?
Fat Loser:
So, only women who wear makeup have the ability to be attractive? And women need to work out in order to be beautiful? What the hell kind of preconceptions are those? The same as “childbirth = weight gain”? Let me guess…you’re a foreign buyer who doesn’t speak Chinese…
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@Anonymous
Fat chicks getting laid a lot in College?!? LOL
Yeah, I’m sure they can fetch the occasional pump and dump during closing time but to say they are getting lots of sex is ridiculous.
A girl with a bit of chub who doesn’t mind (or tells herself she doesn’t) the shame of throwing herself at lots of guys? Yeah, I can see her getting lots of sex.
But a true fatty? No way jose.
Can’t get erect with a real jabba the hut type broad. Simple as that.
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@ Da_Truth_Hurts
You’re buying into the latest fad of making carbs the enemy. It’s pure crap.
Yes, there’s healthy food (foods with nutrients) and unhealthy food (those without), so yes, you do have to try and get your vitamins by eating nutrient-filled foods such as vegetables and meat, but carbs also have loads of vitamins and are not bad for you whatsoever. Reducing junk food (loaded with calories but no nutrients) is a good idea but reducing all carbs is not necessary at all. Go ahead and eat all the potatoes, bread and pasta you want. Even have a bit of cake and ice cream for dessert. It won’t hurt you a bit as long as your caloric intake is reasonable.
The idea that ANY caloric reduction is “starving yourself” is ludicrous. What you’re essentially saying is that our bodies are engineered to gain weight and never lose it. This makes no sense whatsoever. Our bodies are designed to take advantage of excess calories and store them as fat. Conversely, we are designed to take advantage of that fat that has been stored when we don’t have enough calories.
Your assertion that people lose muscle when restricting calories has been proven wrong 50 years ago. Look up the Minnesota Study. People in that study were put on “starvation diets” (very bad idea) and they still retained most of their muscle till most of the fat was used up. The only people who lose significant muscle were those who started thin. They didn’t have much fat to lose to begin with. This is why bodybuilders always say this. But it doesn’t apply to fat people. Another reason you’ll lose a bit of muscle is because you don’t need as much strength to move around 150 lbs as you do to move around 280. You’ll lose a bit of muscle, but not significantly if you have a bunch of fat to lose. Starvation mode is really not a concern for the vast majority of people on diets. You can exercise to minimize the lean loss, as well.
In addition, if you bother to count the calories, you’ll find that the only common denominator to the Paleo diet, the Tim Ferriss diet, etc., is that they all have you eating fewer calories. Protein fills you up more and requires a longer time to digest, so you don’t feel a need to eat as much and naturally end up reducing your caloric intake. This alone explains all the weight loss from these diets. By contrast, eating what you want on a calorie-counting diet will have you suffering a few hunger pangs at first, but once your system gets used to eating human-sized portions of food, you will not feel hungry all the time. You’re stretched stomach needs time to shrink back down to a normal size.
Does Atkins and Paleo work? Sure they do, BECAUSE YOU’RE ONLY EATING 1800 CALORIES A DAY ON THEM. Some people gain weight on these diets too because they think they can stuff themselves silly and they do. The authors of these diets imply that in their writing. But even the Atkins website tells you that no, you cannot go overboard with the calories.
Your insulin doesn’t go haywire because you eat some carbs and a bit of cake. It does so because most Americans ingest 3500 calories a day of the stuff. You don’t get fat because of insulin. You get fat because you eat an excess of calories. Just because it’s insulin that takes those EXCESS calories and stores them as fat doesn’t make insulin the bad guy.
I’m sure that, just like a friend of mine with whom I had this exact same discussion, you’re completely closed to hearing me. That’s fine. Atkins, et al, did a fine job of brainwashing you.
So here’s your challenge then: find me a group of people who have maintained a steady weight for the last year eating whatever they wanted. Monitor their food intake for the next month. Calculate the average calories they take in. Then put them on whatever diet you want but make sure their caloric intake is the same. If they lose a significant amount of weight, I will eat my hat.
It can’t be done. It hasn’t been done. I will never be done. Some studies show that a high protein diet will lose you a bit more weight, but it’s insignificant. Whether you lose 20 lbs over the next six months or 25, who cares. It doesn’t validate all the feel-good propaganda these authors have been spreading.
Metabolic rates do change somewhat based on age or how much you eat, true. That has little if anything to do with how many carbs are included in your diet.
Healthy eating is necessary, yes. Activity, yes. But I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts that no matter WHAT you eat, you cannot find me a combination of foods that will allow you to increase your intake by 500 or 1000 calories a day and still not gain weight. Why is that? Because you’ve been fed a line and you swallowed it whole.
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She will never get it back and the only type guy she will encounter willing to drain his balls into one of her orifices is the type with no other options. @Rum
As Rum pointed out, guys who fuck fatties tend to have no other options. @xsplat
Did this guy, in both your keen estimations, have “no other options”?!?
[Editor: He’s an exception to the rule. Most men in his position are fucking hotter women than that. That’d be the way to bet. But thanks for playing.]
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The AMAZING PART is the complete lack of shame these FAT HOGS show when STILL wearing skimpy clothes that accentuate their rolls.
GAG
True betas marry that kind of shit.
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Harland
“So, only women who wear makeup have the ability to be attractive? And women need to work out in order to be beautiful? What the hell kind of preconceptions are those? The same as “childbirth = weight gain”? Let me guess…you’re a foreign buyer who doesn’t speak Chinese…”
LOL. Nice try in twisting my words around.
Dumpy, shitty clothes, no makeup… Sorry, but yeah, thin, nice clothes and nicely made up is normally much nicer. “Needs to”? No, not all, but it’s usually better.
Just so we’re on the same page… You’re saying that, in general, women who are fit-looking rather than dumpy, dress in nice feminine clothes instead of grubby looking shit, and wear make-up and do their hair instead of looking like they just woke up… that is NOT better? Right?
Whatever.
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@Lunchmeat
“My friends and I call it ‘third boob'”
Don’t you know that the third boob is believed
to feed the devil? Serisously!
@editor
“[Editor: You’re joking, right? Since when is an advertisement for adding 5 pounds on the frames of underweight women proof that the universal male preference for healthy, slender women is a social construct?
I’ve got bad news for ya, freewilly. The overwhelming majority of men have a biologically-based, unchangeable preference for thin women. You might wanna spend a little less time at jizzabel and a little more time in the real world.]”
Tastes vary here.
[Editor: Not really.]
The truly emaciated woman is not attractive to most men.
[Thin != emaciated. The “after” woman in that ad was perfectly thin and fuckable. What’s with the strawmen all over the place? Step it up people. We have standards here at the Chateau.]
Check out Playboy or equivalent. The ADS show superthin women. The
playmates vary, but usually have just a little padding here and there.
Evolution again. Too thin -> Unlikely to carry through a pregnancy.
On the other hand, thinness is a proxy for youth, as women (and men,
but who cares) often tend to fill out as they approach middle age.
(Truly old people are often super-thin, but that is a different story.)
But yes, on average, overweight (in the Western world) is much more
common than unsighly meagerness. Interestingly, it appears that
White and Asian men are less forgiving about female rotundity
than Hispanics and Blacks. Comments?
@Fourmyle of Ceres
“(Diet Coke makes you fatter than regular Coke).”
Huh?
Thor
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Gotta agree with Fat Loser on this one. Remember when Roissy posted the link to the Nutrition professor who ate nothing but junk food for 2 months and not only lost weight but still had a healthy balance of fat/ cholesteol?
It’s all about calories, guys. We Americans have one of the most unique problems in world history: too much food for everyone (poor and middle and rich, not just rich), and too cheap. You can’t die of starvation in America.
If you cut your calories to less than 2000 a day, you’ll lose weight. Simple as that.
Have some pie. Just not more than 2000 Cal of it. Not the whole thing, fattie!
Women in other countries are skinnier because they have less food and its more expensive.
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on April 21, 2011 at 2:34 pm Harland
Thwack:
You seem to know a whole lot about the preferences of homosexual pedophiles. What the fuck, dude?
Harland, I commend you on settling for an Asian female over a pre teen boy; otherwise, I’d hafta call for your removal from the planet.
Me? I prefer my women to CLEARLY look like women; hips and titties…
Maybe its a white thing, I don’t care. You can have all the thin pale bitches.
They can’t sing and they’re often uptight.
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YA called it right. Fat chicks in general can be ignored. Fat chicks with Hot Chick attitude are the worst.
[Editor: Ignoring them is not so easy depending on how much you like beauty in your world. Fat chicks are environmental eyesores, equivalent to garbage dumps. Sure, you could turn away and look in the other direction, but what do you do when there are garbage dumps everywhere you look?]
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Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked, ‘Oh, you aren’t even ripe yet! I don’t need any sour grapes.’ People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves.
“The Fox and the Grapes” is one of the traditional Aesop’s fables and can be held to illustrate the concept of cognitive dissonance. In this view, the premise of the fox that covets inaccessible grapes is taken to stand for a person who attempts to hold incompatible ideas simultaneously. In that case, the disdain the fox expresses for the grapes at the conclusion to the fable serves at least to diminish the dissonance even if the behavior in fact remains irrational.
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A Cock, scratching the ground for something to eat, turned up a Jewel that had by chance been dropped there. “Ho!” said he, “a fine thing you are, no doubt, and, had your owner found you, great would his joy have been. But for me, give me a single grain of corn before all the jewels in the world.”
The hilarity of self-deception.
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I’ll just leave this here:
http://quesogirls.wordpress.com/
/snicker
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The basic problem:
http://cectic.com/197
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The overwhelming majority of men have a biologically-based preference for curvy women with a little bit of fat around their bellies. Men don’t want Lindsay Lohan’s, Paris Hilton’s, or female gym rats with veins on their arms and 6 packs.
Slightly curvy women >>>>> Muscle-bound women with no ass or the borderline anorexic women we see in Hollywood.
More and more women are becoming morbidly obese, which is disgusting, but don’t pretend that men want “thin” women, cause they don’t, they want someone in between “thin” models and beached whales.
[Editor: If you’re a fatty fiucker — and it sounds like you are — you are part of a decided minority of men who share your preference.
ps thin does not mean muscle-bound. hth.]
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In the case of Fat Chick w/ hot girl mentality, v. Fat guy with extreme game, the fat girl will clean up everytime in terms of sheer numbers- she WILL get more lays than Fat guy with game. BUT and here’s the kicker, the quality of partners Fat guy will get will be higher across the board. Most of the guys hooking up with Fat girl w/ hot girl mentality will be either A) Drunk or B) looking for a pump and dump.
[Editor: You forget C) losers with few options.
A more mischievous rapscallion might also add D) black guys.
(shout out to mu’min!)]
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In the end, the real problem has nothing to do with the media, the big corporations, advertising, or even willpower.
Willpower is always existent in sufficient quantities when you want something enough. So the problem is that, even though 99.9998748% of the fat women wish they were thin, only about 1.4827% actually want to be thin. Wanting and wishing are not the same thing.
They (mostly) know what they need to do. They have the resources to do it. And yet they don’t. And the reason? Because there’s no real incentive.
There’s no shame anymore in being fat – after all it’s never their fault. They don’t feel disgusting being fat – after all, their best friend is even fatter and looks even worse. There is no clothes that won’t fit – after all, just go to any one of the Plus Size shops to get what you want. There’s no reason to think it’s unattractive to be fat anymore – after all, not only is it impossible to find someone who will speak against it publicly, they actually go as far as to push the idea that “there’s nothing wrong with it and you still look beautiful!”
And worst of all, there is no shortage of guys that will fuck them happily and even marry them. It doesn’t matter that he secretly wishes day in and day out that his pig of a wife would slim the fuck down because he’ll never say it to her face, and anyway, her friends are even fatter than her. What choice does he have in this world? He will fuck her because for most men, that’s what they have to do. Some men don’t want to do what it takes to get that 1 in a 100 hottie. Most couldn’t if they tried.
And even the self-proclaimed ‘alphas’ on this blog are most likely banging chubs. After all, is she’s ‘only’ 20lbs overweight, she’s an 8! On a relative scale contained to the U.S. only, she really is.
If you were a chick, would you bother to lose weight in this world? What the fuck for? Eat all you want, look however you want and still get everything you want.
So sad.
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Babes got back!!!
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=45697
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=45949
By the way, I don’t think that fat guys are the proper analogue to fat girls. Skinny guys, as in circus thin-men, are.
P.S. If the Muslims ever manage to crash our planes into something again, I pray to Allah that they hit some Walmarts.
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OK, I shouldn’t be doing this, but I couldn’t resist this one. I’ll stop, I promise.
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=6714
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Wow,
expose and criticize The Fatties and look at all the fatties that come out to defend the other fatties saying “fatties aren’t baaaad.”
It’s like the NAAFP around here lol
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“As far as I can tell the only way to lose weight is to eat a healthy diet (described below) of unrestricted calories, combined with lots of sleep and the two good kinds of exercise: very easy (like walking or yoga) and very hard (tabata burpees and 5RM deadlifts). But this causes, at best, about a 0.5 to 1 lbs/week loss. That’s up to 50 lbs/year (which is great), but few people (especially young girls) have the patience for that and they go on crash diets and 5-mile jog regimes instead. Sigh.”
Most women refuse to do any sort of lifting because they are deathly afraid of looking manly. However, lifting works wonders for weightloss along with a healthy diet. Cardio is a terrible way to lose weight and isn’t as healthy as lifting weight due to the hormones that weight lifting induces.
However to bash these women when most people don’t work out at all, seems kind of useless. When the majority of people work out and eat fruit and vegetables and not 1k calorie salads then we can talk.
Right now, people don’t give 2 shits about how fat they are and if they do they won’t do anything to fix the problem outside eating 10 “diet” cakes.
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Anon @ 12:24
You ballless troll. Don’t even have the balls to name yourself and then question other people just because you can’t land anything worthy of a 2.
Go back to being anonymous like 99% of the world and leave the girls that YOU snap one off to regularily to the rest of us.
because really, you’re crying on the iside because you wished you never hapenned.
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@Thor
“Check out Playboy or equivalent. The ADS show superthin women. The
playmates vary, but usually have just a little padding here and there.
Evolution again. Too thin -”
I have little doubt they are no less that 18-20 BMI.
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I assert that men, as a majority, prefer women with perfectly flat, non-muscular stomachs.
http://www.cubscoutorganizer.com/tag/flat-stomach
That ham-fists the arousal button.
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We definitely live in a image-oriented society, lacking a focus on intellectual and spiritual depth. Perhaps the natural progression of any culture.
I wonder how many horrible, loveless and sexless marriages there are where the woman uses her lack of sexual attractiveness to punish her man. And how many times she, after losing the weight, dumps her husband, who had to endure the flab for so long.
Yes, women can be very resentful and can blame others for their own laziness or stupidity (not following proper diet/exercising, and instead embracing the cult of Oprah).
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Developed Country women (especially but hardly exclusively American) are fat because they are no longer forced against their will to learn how to cook by the age of 14.
There is no grand conspiracy by “Big Food” and TEH EBIL POLITICIANS. Women aren’t forced to learn how to cook and the welfare state prevents disgusted men from with holding their hard earned wealth from women following their impulses to pop out bad boy alphas. Hence, out of control obesity
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Fat people should be shot.
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Hippopotimus, out of curiosity, what was going through your mind when you making your original story up?
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@Ovid
Hey thanks for sharing that peopleofwalmart website. USA at its best. We loved it here
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It’s amazing how much blubba bitch’s SMV increases when she just LOSES SOME GODDAMN WEIGHT.
I remember a woman who lost 45 lbs because she lost her job and had to eat oranges from a tree in her backyard to survive. Before, when she was chubby, I did not want any part of her. When she reappeared minus the weight, her attractiveness hextupled. I did not care about her financial troubles, I genuinely found myself interested.
Increase in SMV like that does not come so easily for men.
[Editor: Correct. However, where men have the SMV advantage is not in ease of improvement, but rather in avenues of improvement. Men simply have far more ways to improve their SMV. Women have one: Be hot.]
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More hilarious Self-Deception:
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/10/discussion-thread-i-was-fat-shamed.html
One day, this broad is going to receive a REAL trigger warning, including:
-Pain or discomfort in the center of the chest.
-Pain or discomfort in other areas of the upper body, including the arms, back, neck, jaw, or stomach.
-Other symptoms, such as a shortness of breath, breaking out in a cold sweat, nausea, or light-headedness.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/actintime/haws/women.htm
News flash, fat bitches! Atherosclerosis does not care about your degree, or your snark, or your status as an “oppressed class”.
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Obesity is a major public health problem. The biggest health problem facing the country bar none.
It’s not just an aesthetics issue.
[Editor: True. But from where I stand the insult to aesthetics is the most crucial issue. After all, my eyes don’t have to see the clogged arteries, the lower IQs (yes, obesity really does lower IQ. study to be posted soon), or the cancerous tumors.]
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From Shakesville:
“So. Let us share our stories, for ourselves, and toward the goal of challenging that particular piece of thin privilege that is ignorance to the ubiquity and effects of private and public fat-shaming.”
Thin Privilege, LOL. What, the privilege of not dying before the age of 40? The privilege of not needing a hovaround to move? The privilege of not jiggling when you walk?
The privilege of not turning every car you sit in into an instant lowrider?
The fact that this broad is also a feminazi makes our task easier, too.
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Fat and ugly women still have more success in the sexual marketplace than most men do. Which is why they have little to no incentive to improve themselves.
[Editor: Incorrect. The mistake you’re making is equating what constitutes dating success for men and women. Men have one primary measure of success: the ability to get laid. Women’s primary measure of success is the ability to attract the attention of a high value man and to keep it. Here, fat and ugly and other assorted low value women fail miserably. Getting laid by a parade of desperate losers who won’t give an ounce of commitment or even a little love is not any woman’s version of a happy successful dating life.]
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Fat women are horrible people – fat GIRLS even more so.
They really have no purpose in life except for me to exercise cruelly funny epithets on chateau roishy.
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Ok, one more for the road. This video is pure gold.
No Fat Chicks.
Pass it on.
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I love curvy fat asses but i love rock hard abs on flat chested women too.
Less chance of awful sweat-shit stink.
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What Bhetti said.
I have recently been a party to some closed door conversations within the Med Community regarding the obesity epidemic. There is something close to panic developing about its implications. “Metabolic Syndrome” is very common and steadily becoming more common and it follows belly fat like night follows day. The prospect of dealing with all the diabetes,renal failure, and general immobility is starting to un-nerve this world. One the one hand, it creates great job security but on the other it will soak up vast resources that should be spent on things like, oh, I don’t know, finding cures for cancer and Altzheimers, etc.
It is like a giant anchor weight tied around the ankles of a health system that is struggling to stay afloat.
You think the denizens of The CR are harsh with fatties? Doctors and nurses(who are not so themselves) hate, hate, HATE the very sight of them. For several good reasons, actually, but mainly because they make everything so much harder and absorb so much expensive care that fit people rarely seem to need.
And while I appreciate the amatuer spirit of the debate regarding good calories/bad calories and so forth, please realize it makes almost zero impact with the Medical profession. The basic heat content studies were done in triplicate at least 30 years ago (and NASA has had its own interest in balancing food, deep space travel and intense exercise to perserve muscle mass for about as long) and there is no doubt that calories in must balance calories out or your fat stores do not balance.
All relevant hormones have very short half lives and only act when they are needed.
Muscles being worked are preserved even if you are being calorie starved.
The whole problem is appetite control. Find a way to suppress appetite safely and you can expect to be worshipped by many.
But as of today no one has a clue and our nation is drowning in soul poisoning, sex annihilating, life robbing lard flesh.
[Editor: Great comment rum. It seems like a lot of shit is about the hit the West’s fan all at once — from obesity to single momhood to mass immigration to debt defaults to broke entitlement programs to PC brain wastage to the wonders of diversity to overclass treachery. The least we can hope for is that the sex is still good. And for that, we need some young slender babes welcoming us at the gates of doom.]
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Honestly: they should just round up all these prancing, preening fat bitches into pens and ship them off to those starving Haitians and Somalians they so adore.
At least they could nourish poor starving children with more than platitudes that demand everyone’s TAX money.
Cart them off to the 3rd world as meat on the hoof. Let Britney McFatty put some of her skin in the game – and her cellulite.
Feed the poor.
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Imagine if, after 12 years in school, American high school grads had been given a very good understanding of how their bodies function, what things can cause their bodies to malfunction, and how to keep their bodies functioning well all their lives.
Like I said, you have to imagine it. Most of 1 to 12 education is crap in this country.
That said, every time I see a fat person, male or female, I say to myself: That person is just too dumb/ignorant to spend time with.
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How do you get a girl to lose weight without looking like a dick/jerk?
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Just for clarification. She’s about 10 lbs overweight.
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Fat women look 1000% fatter than fat men who are fatter. I do hate fat women. I don’t hate fat men unless they’re sandal wearing annoying faggot fat men or farting near me.
But fat women…I fucking hate them. Especially when I see them eating next to their thin girlfriends or ragging on some other girl they know or wearing clothes she shouldn’t wear. And they seem determined to stay fat AND make everyone love how fat they are. Fat men don’t start fat support groups. They just get a hooker and drink some beer.
Unless they’re the sandal wearing annoying faggot type.
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Gramps,
No such luck. Most 17 year old girls are vegetarians/alcoholics, leading to severe physical and psychological impairment.
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@John P
Dump her and get someone hot small and thin.
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Thanks for all your input. To answer some outstanding questions:
No I do not pay. I get to the bar about 10 minutes before we are set to meet, get my first drink, pay in cash, leave the cash out on the bar. When I go for the second I pay out of that stack of cash. Since I am ahead about half a drink ahead I will get my second before she is done with her first. This communicates, albeit it subtlety, she is paying for herself that night. No girl I just met online is going to get free drinks from me.
The hook I use online is a lot of contrast. My job is fairly corporate, but I do some international travel. I talk about the corporate world and international business travel. I then throw in “volunteer” work for a few local liberal causes. I then mix it up a little by talking about how I do the books for free for a local “no kill” puppy shelter. I’ve got pics of me at fancy black tie galas and just chilling at a fundraiser for a local charity in a park. Seems to work well. My profile is short and nondescript other than this.
After reading comments and doing some reflection my failure is certainly attributed mostly to not being more aggressive with kino. The whole “instant click” thing too is true. The girls I have scored with have all told me “you look way cuter in person than in your photos” (which is true I don’t photograph the best). They were the 10% getting that click.
Now that I look back I feel like a complete idiot. I was discounting all the copy and paste bullshit I would send them and thinking I was at the early game stage when we met in person. In actually we were closer to the mid-game stage. I just needed to modify my early in-person game to past the “creep test”. Instead I was talking like it was early game and around hour one shifted from being a potential fuck buddy to just being an interesting guy in the bar. The hamster shut down, but I was interesting enough to have a few beers with and chill for a night. (The online equivalent of the friend zone). All I needed was more bounce and more kino.
Man, I feel like an idiot now. Last time I was out I was three beers in with a 7.5. We were at the bar facing each other. Her legs are spread wide fucking open. I have my hand on her knee. She is throwing me IOI’s. I throttled back the kino because I thought it was still early game time and didn’t want to get buyers remorse (and I couldn’t escalate any further since I had to truly run to get a late night train). I was throttling back when I should have put the pedal to the metal. Now I feel like an idiot.
I will modify my method and see how it works.
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More hilarious Self-Deception:
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/10/discussion-thread-i-was-fat-shamed.html
what’s even sadder is the ‘commenting guidelines’:
‘Commenting Guidelines: Fat hatred, including admonishments to lose weight and/or suggestions about how to lose weight, is off-limits, as it is in any other thread, and will be removed and its purveyors banned’
so they just want to whine about being fat shamed, but don’t actually want suggestions about how to go about making a positive improvement in their lives.
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Not a fat fucker (quite lean actually), but I prefer my women to actually look, ya know, feminine and soft, and not have 10% body fat and a solid 6 pack who also suffer from athletic amenorrhoea. A nice 17-23% will do.
[Editor: Who said anything about six packs? BMI 17-23 and 0.7 WHR are the relevant metrics.]
You talk about men having this biological-urge for thin women but that’s clearly wrong on all evolutionary accounts.
[Except it’s clearly not. See: the hungry hungry hippos category for reams of posts detailing the scientific and cultural evidence for a fairly universal male preference for slender women.
Btw, thin does not mean anorexic or cougar-age sinewy.]
Men prefer want women to have a little a pooch around their bellies
[Pooch? OK, so you admit you’re a fatty fucker. No shame in that. You can’t help it. Just know that you are in a minority of men.]
because it signals that she’s able to carry a baby to full term without starving to death or having the fetus suffer from malnutrition.
[Actually what signals a woman is able to carry a baby to term is youth, feminine beauty and the above mentioned metrics.]
It’s the same reason why men want big juicy tits (which is made of FAT by the way) and a round ass.
[Big sloppy pendulous tits are gross. Nice B or C cup firm tits are where it’s at. Porky princesses like to flaunt their bloated tits as evidence they have gotten hotter, but they never bother to remind anyone how flabby and saggy those bags of lard tend to get after significant weight gain. Not to mention the luster of big tits quickly dulls once you realize they’re attached to a human blubber balloon.
And, ps, round asses are not exclusive to chubsters. Plenty of slender girls have perfectly round and full asses. If anything, fat chicks tend to have big wide dumpy loads for asses. Unless you’re talking about fat black chicks with their steatopygian behinds. Few white guys I know like those gargantuan trunks.]
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http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/10/discussion-thread-i-was-fat-shamed.html
I could almost feel sorry for women getting yelled at in the streets and complaining about it, but these broads (pun intended), are bitching about their doctors advising them to lose weight. One had a gynecologist who said she couldn’t complete the exam because of her weight! If that’s not a hint from God to put down the ho-ho, I don’t know what is. How do you brush off a doctor warning you about your weight as mere rudeness?
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Adrian, you are correct.
Men prefer women with that little bit of belly fat that starts below the navel and extends a bit up above it over one of those Abdominizer commercial women with the 6 pak. But the latter are so rare as to not really be a consideration in the real world.
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The tummy I described above (with the bit of tummy fat), Chi-Town refers to as “perfectly flat, non muscular stomachs”. I say confusingly, because it is NOT perfectly flat.
http://www.cubscoutorganizer.com/tag/flat-stomach
But I agree with him, that this is what men want over the 6-paker, and of course, anything fatter.
[Editor: That’s a sexy flat tummy in the conventional usage of the word. And, yes, six packs on women are disturbingly repulsive. No straight man wants to feel rock hard rippling abs on a chick.]
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OTOH, 41
Almost like winning a lottery. Yes, the figure above is how old she is in the picture.
No makeup, same age.
Shiny “new” toy
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ATTENTION: FAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE SHOT
ATTENTION: FAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE SHOT
ATTENTION: FAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE SHOT
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Except that a BMI of 17 is underweight and even anorexic by definition.
Here’s one source:
Here’s another:
[Editor: BMI calculations, expecially on the lower end, have to adjust for frame size, which the WHO did not do. Jenna Jameson in her prime was 103 pounds and 5’4″ tall, which is a BMI of 17.7. Look up old pics of her in her heyday. If you think she is anorexic then that is evidence that you are a genuine fatty fucker with tastes that veer away from the mainstream preferences of most men. In fact, *ideal* attractiveness, as opposed to just normal level weight, for most women is going to fall within the 17-20 BMI range. Furthermore, did you know that the ideal weight for maximum lifespan is lower than that shown in the 1959 Met Life weight charts? And that the 1983 Met Life charts were revised upward because the original chart was deemed ‘unrealistic’ due to massive increases in obesity NOT because any medical evidence had emerged indicating that being heavier was healthier?
Yes, check those 1959 Met Life charts. It’s a real eye opener.]
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Fat people need to be thrown into the colosseum and be ripped apart by lions. Fat people need to be exiled into the largest deserts to be forgotten. Fat people need to be beaten to death. Fat people need to have their bellies cut open and have their own fat fed to them as they bleed to death. Fat people need to be tossed into volcanoes. Fat people need to be impaled. Fat people need to die. Please, please, read this and learn wisdom. Thanks!
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Funny story, I just logged onto facebook (say what you will about that, I use it to my advantage) and saw a current picture of a chick I banged once upon a time. When we banged, and leading up until we banged, she was very lean, big boobs, in great shape, the kind of girl who was a real tease yet hooked up with every dude she could if that makes sense. One of my exes dumped me, so I found solace in her vagina. She got mad that I I had sex with her, because she wanted more (I told her it takes two to tango) and I never saw her again. Fast forward to tonight after reading this post and comments, I log onto facebook and see that she’s back in New Jersey and put on enough weight to make her look like the stay-puffed marshmallow man. The ifrst thought in my mind? “Man karma sucks”.
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ShaperV
A testoneronized brain is less prone to self-entarding dissimulation. Plus, men socialize such that unclear thinking is shamed. Women socialize such that clear thinking is shamed.
Piaget’s developmental stage of pre-rational is more common among women than men. And as you say, a person can be capable of being rational, but not usually bother to be that way. They apply rationality as a skill set to certain circumstances, rather than as an average mode of being. Women are far more likely to do this. The woman who is habitually rational is an outlier.
You’ll find some pre-rational guys on this forum. The sad and funny thing is that they won’t know they are retarded. What is it that’s said about competence? The dumb don’t know that they aren’t?
Men with women’s style of argument are an embarrassment to our sex, and their thinking style deserves as much shaming as does fat on women. Even if they can’t help it – they could at least shut up.
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According to BMI at 5’2″ range of healthy weight could be 102 – 137 pounds. That a pretty large margin. IMO aesthetically 110-115 would look the best — but a lot people would be going “you’re too thin.”
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Not black, but I have found that more than a few ‘plus size’ ladies pass my boner test.
I prefer the new and improved 6. I prefer the new and improved 12, assuming 12 is the one on the right in the after pic and not the one on the left. Even if she’s not the ‘before’, she’s big and passes my boner test.
The others are of course disgusting and untouchable, the biggest tragedy being 11 imo.
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Many supermodels manage to have healthy babies without turning into blimps and snap back into shape fairly quickly. And no I don’t just mean the ones who still work all the time and have trainers. You don’t have to gain 60 lbs. in order to feed your baby. 20 lbs. is pushing it.
I love the fat slobs stuffing their faces with McDonalds declaring “They have great genetics! It’s my genetics, not my Big Mac!”. These pigs then allow their toddlers to chow down on garbage their entire childhoods, churning out more slobs who claim it’s genetics and not the slop they shovel into their faces.
Curves are sexy but they turn to slop if not managed properly and often sooner than you’d think. I’d rather see a bit of abs flexing while she’s wiggling around on top of me.
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It really sucks that I was eating a rice krispie square when I read this.
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Adrian P: Unplug your keyboard and seek professional help. You are the biggest loser on Earth and for the sake of society I hope you never leave your house.
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[Editor: what do you do when there are garbage dumps everywhere you look?]
Short of spraying napalm? Change neighborhoods.
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@xsplat–nice comment “I’m surprised you haven’t noticed this. This maddening fact of how women can be pre-rational has vexed men for millenia”
Are you a shrink btw?
@rum–great comments btw. Yes, it’ll keep us employed but at what cost? Now they’ve got cranes in rooms to get patients into beds, extra wide toilets and doorframes and reinforced wheelchairs and gurnies. I swear to God if I have to cath one more plus sized patient (while 2 techs hold her multiple folds back) I’m going to start drinking on the job and stealing meds from the Pyxis
Can’t find the link now but was comparing overweight demographics. I remember that USA is 60% overweight compared to South Korea at only 4%.
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the TRUE victims of THESE fat FUCKING blobs ARE the MEN who MARRIED them WHEN they WERE slim, SEXY and SWEET. men SHOULD have AUTOMATIC right TO cheat on WIFE or GIRLFRIEND with MISTRESS if THEY neglect THEIR bodies AND turn INTO wide LOAD hippos.
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“Avenues of improvement. Men simply have far more ways to improve their SMV.”
Assuming the male contribution was to exploit the environment from the poles to the tropics, its beyond refutation. How do you hard wire that? Juxtapose making babies that is a more consistent recipe.
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OOf!
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wait for the piss bubbles to pop splatty and take a look a the reflection
Your trailing statement is a rational rejoinder to what you had established as “pre-rational”.
Moving along WTF is this?
Jean Piaget? There is no developmental stage called pre-rational. Its Preoperational stage. Its not even sex based. In the theory, both sexes pass through it. Its only in relation to your pseudo psycho babble as some comparison to magical thinking.
You really just pull things out of you ass right there in black and white. Since I actually took a course in child psychology where Piaget was predominately covered. I knew spatty had fucked up again.
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Shaman, put a bullet in the fat bitch and then the man. What man allows his woman to be disgusting? He must not have been a man. Watch for that one.
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@Tacomaster
Shrink? Since its Preoperational Stage not pre-rational in Piaget’s theory, what do you think? His presentation of it is not even close. All sexes pass though it. Its babble. You will find splatty in the DSM-V
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Well, I appreciate the bigger fun-bags. I’m warped that way. I don’t find them gross even when they’re so large it turns off a lot of other guys. It’s a fetish.
But rare are the women who are lucky to have the fat going in all the right places. All too often the fun-bags are accompanied with a bulging belly riddled with scarred stretch marks. Gross.
Fortunately, low carb helps getting rid of belly (visceral) fat specifically, because that’s where the liver dumps all the triglycerides via vena porta during insulin highs. Belly and liver fat are the first to go when people go Paleo / Atkins / Ketogenic.
Too late for the fatties though. After losing all that weight their loose skin sags over them like braille curtain. Gross.
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There are different terms used by different researchers for various stages. There is overlap in meaning, even where different terms are used.
It’s not true that all adults graduate from the pre-rational.
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@what
Don’t some of you actually like BIG breasted women? The girl in the photo has BIG, actually HUGE breasts! hehe!!
Yes, she is udderly “awesome”.
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Xplat
I think a lot about the (obviously) very large differences between the way mens minds work and the way womens do. I mean, as one becomes familiar with the results of neuro-imaging studies, the picture that emerges looks more like the difference between seperate species; nevermind immediate family members.
Even so, I find comfort in two related thoughts on this matter.
First, the touch of her warm, wet pussy-parts has the effect on me of making me care a lot less about unknowable mysteries.
Second, I am very sure my touch to her girly parts settles her brain absolutely – sometimes into what looks like a coma.
That might be as good as it can get. In regard to the getting of Wisdom.
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The question does stand:
Why do women choose to get fat when their SMV is so closely tied to being thin?
Is dieting so hard that it can’t be done once a woman gets older than her early 20’s?
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Rum, I agree that it’s not always important for a woman to be able to hold an interesting rational conversation. That’s not what women are for.
Which is why I often find them irritating on blogs, such as this one. Because they are not for this purpose. It’s not something they can do.
Just as a gay man in my bed would get in the way and irritate me, a woman trying to hold a reasonable conversation is not equipped to satisfy. Even when she is really, really trying. They just aren’t built for it.
Outliers excluded. And I’ve never met one, and am not convinced even female outliers can match a male mind.
Even Ken Wilber stuck his neck out in his book Sex, Ecology, and Spirituality, and proclaimed that while women can be rational, on they whole they have a much harder time reaching that stage.
Some studies have been done somewhere that point out what percentage of the population is at what stage. I can’t reference them as I don’t know where they are. But a hefty portion of adults are not established habitually at the rational stage.
The percentage of pre-rational women is even heftier.
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S252, if they lose weight properly, the skin does not sag.
I used to eat like a cow a few years ago, and then went Afro-anachronistic. So far, I’ve lost about 45 kg. so far, and my skin isn’t sagging except maybe what it would from age. I’m not loose-jiggly.
Skin will sag if someone reduces their calorie intake without taking the chemistry into account. One has to find a way to eat and exercise according to their ancestral adaptations, and avoid foods and styles that are essentially foreign to them.
The reason this isn’t more popular is because it sounds racist to some people, and it doesn’t promise model thinness quickly and easily. For some people it takes years to undo the damage, and some are permanently damaged from too long on the typical western diet.
The people paleo, primal, and 300+ year diets appeal to the most are relatively independent and long term thinkers, and that’s the minority. It’s a lifestyle one adopts and passes down to their kids like a tradition, not a quick fix.
Also, in the meantime, the person who realizes that they aren’t doomed or “genetically fat” ot some crap has to be able to balance their new awareness with their sense of self worth. This has been the weird bit of it for me. I know I have a glaring defect and that it is legitimately viewed as such (though for different reasons than the mainstream media promotes) but I don’t hate myself over it.
I noticed that most women have a hard time believing that they have a defect and that they’re worthy of love, so long as they’re a loving person, at the same time. It doesn’t matter that most people are screwed up one way or another. They’ve been taught that either people with this particular defect, which basically amounts to an inability to tolerate the typical western diet without overeating and/or underexercising, are completely worthless, or that they are totally okay as they are, and that this defect is natural.
At 40, my time is past already, and it’s easy for me not to give too much of a crap. At 20-something or as a teenager, had I been fat, I don’t know if I could have stayed the course and not resorted to surgery. It would have made things worse, but I’m not sure if I’d have had the endurance to stomach the combination of feminists hijacking fat acceptance and being viewed as emotionally sick.
I might have resorted to a kind of fat suicide and done anything to take myself out of that category, whether it was actually good for me or not.
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@xsplat
There is no Pre-rational terminology in Piaget’s model. It makes no more sense to casually mix Freudian terminology with Piaget. Wilber has his own model. Its like saying Mopar and Chevy. I don’t care if both steering wheels are compatible between Dodge and Chevy, and of course they are not precisely , else there would not be another model.
I think most women in adulthood can figure out the pouring out the glass trick. Its not pure logic, but rather involving sensory organs to cognitive function. Don’t know much about Wilber, but that is not Piaget.
You don’t mind details, nor did you seem to understand the contradiction of your rejoinder by asking “pre-rationals” to shut up by a rational basis you established. They can’t know by definition.
Let us not dismiss the quackery, even in the big names in Psych.
Quite honestly it is “manopomorphism” . We don’t know what they think, and thus map that which does not fit into the male psyche as “irrational”. Making babies is the rational will of the species. Women think men are stupid because they cannot see the object we chase that is invisible to them. Why is he running after nothing? They cannot relate to zombie flesh, which is essentially what a whore is. We look irrational to them.
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How do you guys categorize Christina Hendricks? Some rate her as “fat”. I rate her hot as hell.
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Do you have the “real women” crap happening in the USA?
In Australia when you see fashion models they use fat chicks, “real women” next to perfect, cut, built guys. It just fuels the bullshit that they believe. They see a fat cunt next to a hot guy and think they can have that.
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The Single Writer Who Can’t Keep It Simple
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/04/the_single_writer_who_cant_kee.html
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Christina Hendricks WILL be a gross fatty before long — look at all those fat cells in her upper arms.
Right now, she is young enough to be fuck-worthy.
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@ S-252
I would pound the bejezzus out of that woman.
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@ S-252
I dislike her sillycones. And give her a couple of years to be totally whalesome.
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Retsie, the thing you have to remember is that this is what real women look like on the typical western diet. The corporations do have an interest in normalizing unhealthiness, especially fatness nowadays.
Just like the skeletal and straight-bodied craze, most people can be nudged into holding up an unreasonable or unhealthy “ideal” as socially acceptible or even preferable within limits.
Nobody who isn’t a fetishist will ever believe grossly obese women are sexy just as people don’t generally think the skeletal are sexy. Up until a certain point though, people can indeed be convinced to laud people who are fatter than they should be, as sexy regardless of their actual preferences.
The fact that fat but not horridly obese women get laid often and by many men, even those who proclaim to prefer slim women, means that enough men are capable of getting erections for them. Erections are, except for players who get laid all the time, the gateway to sexual bonding.
I’m not saying this to say it’s okay to normalize overfatness. I’m just explaining that though men’s basic drives can’t be manipulated, men’s social values most assuredly can.
If you stand back and let this happen then you only really have yourselves to blame. Thing is, the best reaction is not to start fat bashing thoughtlessly. It’s to educate women on how to control their weight sanely, and where you have the ability, enforce it in the women in your sphere.
Instead of just saying you don’t like fat chicks, get detailed and say it’s disgusting that they’re promoting the illnesses and defects caused by overuse of grains. When you call someone a cow, explain that they look like a cow because they eat like one.
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@Cadnerd
@what
Don’t some of you actually like BIG breasted women? The girl in the photo has BIG, actually HUGE breasts! hehe!!
“Yes, she is udderly “awesome”.”
lol!!! Don’t mean to laugh….I know you’re serious. yes they are awesome!
hehe!
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Sad that fat is normalized. A thin-average sized woman’s beauty is overrated now simply by virtue of her being reasonably in shape.
People should stop eating what’s promoted to them. We’re mammals and not meant to eat processed “food”, we should be drinking lots of water, eating things that grow from the ground, etc.
@Mad Max
That’s a good question, I’ve always wondered the same. Lots of women’s dating woes would be solved by weight loss.
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“How do you guys categorize Christina Hendricks? Some rate her as “fat”. I rate her hot as hell.”
a hottie with an alarmingly close expiration date.
if she already doesn’t, she will soon need a lot of butchering. too bad, since she’s beautiful and extremely feminine. this femininity comes from her small gorgeous face, a little waist in proportion to her body; light and gentle voice.
and too all men admiring this size – good luck with that.
plus size models [plump body, beautiful face] are equally hard to find as skinny models, once they are older than 17.
95% achieving the size 14 – 22 have trouble keeping the proportions right. we all know that big boobs by default come paired with big stomach and no waistline + a flatly padded wide ass. and it’s only gonna get worse…
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The others are of course disgusting and untouchable, the biggest tragedy being 11 imo.
11 was one of the photoshopped ones.
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Living is just so fucking hard! How do I maintain my figure? Woe! I’m gonna eat myself into a fat frenzy until I figure it out.
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nicole,
At 40, my time is past already, and it’s easy for me not to give too much of a crap. At 20-something or as a teenager, had I been fat, I don’t know if I could have stayed the course and not resorted to surgery.
what caused you to put the weight on?
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Christina Hendricks?
The lengths people will go to try and sell fat.
“a little waist in proportion to her body; light and gentle voice.”
This is the answer. How many times do fat apologists have to be reminded about the .7 ratio? A woman with a .7 ratio is not fat.
Why is this important? Pregnancy stresses the heart. So does a belly like a prize melon. Put the two together, and you end up with dead girls. Fat from the mid section is moved away with high estrogen to make room for two because it is less stress of the heart.
Now as women age, their hormones cannot hold back the tide as it once did, and it moves in like a mud slide. Women after 40 are at much higher risk of heart attacks and is it a wonder why? Women in the lower attractive BMI range therefore retain their shapes much better and have a longer shelf life. Big knockers work against women as they age. That is one theory as to why firm, big knockers look so good. Only young women can have them.
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Go to your local county courthouse on a motion call day for family court.
You will fat white women towing mixed-race kids in for hearings. Reason? Black dad is not paying support.
I almost never see hot young women towing kids into those hearings. I assume the hot young ones either live with dad still, or simply picked up another source of income fairly readily. Hot women are not alone for long unless they want to be.
So, to the question, who is fucking all the fat white women? Black guys, from what I can tell.
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@ chi-town to xsplat
You to him is like that bar scene in Good Will Hunting where Will puts down the long-haired Harvard dude in front of the girl. “My boy he’s smaaart. Wicked smaaart.”
The difference is he’s still at the bar trying to talk smart.
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The second set of pics: the “before” chick has a whorish tat on her navel. In the “after” photo she is repulsively fat.
Would those be my only choiced today if I were single? If yes, I’d convert to Amish.
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I think Devastatingly Female is right that Christina Hendricks can get away with being a little overweight because she has such a pretty, feminine face and such a sweet voice. Most women look better skinnier than she is.
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Fucking fat holocaust! Fuck fatties! Smash ’em in the street at 80 mph! FUCK FATTIES! Us humans have gone astray from nature to the point where a majority can’t survive a week in hostile environments. Fatties take it a step further to insult nature by getting fat as if to say, “HA! I fear you no more, nature. Indeed I gorge myself to the point of obesity knowing full-well how this would hinder my natural ability to survive, yet I don’t care, because I’m a docile lamb living in an artificial, tame environment.” Oh, how they think they have bested nature. Well, FUCK YOU FATTY! Your time will come when the world is plunged into total retardation through the overwhelming mass of retards shitting out retard babies. When you must kill to survive, you shall not, and you will most certainly die. FUCK YOU FATTY! DEATH TO FAT PEOPLE!
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chill-town
“The lengths people will go to try and sell fat.”
yeah ok, now back to reality: i don’t see her playing any fat roles yet. or comic ones where comic effect comes from her weight. she ain’t monique yet, so chill out.
even if her ratio is more like .82 maybe even with a bodyshaper, she is still a very rare and special case compared to other big women – small head, beautiful features, long neck and femininity she was just born with.
[Editor: This much can’t be denied: Hendricks would look better if she lost 20 pounds.]
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a shit diet is just one part of the problem….the other part is laziness which our society does little to discourage.
the idea that exercise is just an activity that we need to schedule, rather than being something that is integral to our daily lives, is a poor mindset to have.
for example, it stuns me the number of people who, instead of taking the stairs to go up just one floor, take the elevator or escalator. i see this all the time in subway stations and at work. these aren’t 90 year olds, or people with missing legs, they’re otherwise physically able humans who simply don’t want to exert themselves any more than they have to when there are ‘easier’ alternatives available.
maybe it won’t be all that long before we end up like the human beings in the movie wall-e.
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Itsme, it was basically a Black snowball effect. On the typical western diet, it was inevitable that my organs would start breaking down, and one of the first was my thyroid.
Now it’s fine which is something that I was told couldn’t be. I’ve found out that I was lied to about a great many things.
So I don’t beat myself up over it since a person isn’t really morally accountable for knowledge they don’t have. It’s just that now there’s this awareness when I look in the mirror that what I see did not have to be.
It’s like getting run over by a city bus, and the municipality tells you that it’s normal to get run over by busses, and that you should feel proud of it.
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I do deserve a harsh correction for my statement.
“The lengths people will go to try and sell fat.”
Rather I should have said
“the squat width people will go” .
Hendricks has the signs of high estrogen. Therefore it stands to reason she has super human abilities to also store fat in the right places within limits. However were she to have an .82 ratio, she may even take on the early signs of blubber face, since the dam has breeched in other places. She would also become a poster “pretty face” model for FA rather than the curvy fringe of main stream fashion.
Yet even this is flawed. See waist-to-height ratio:
http://scientificpsychic.com/blog/?p=170
To the right is what I call bone harrow that makes cock blood run cold.
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@Jesse
I see you also are not a fan of cock and pull stories.
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10-20 pounds lighter:
I thought she was still too fat, though. I think big chest are lovely, but the fat knees are not on.
(and I say this as a girl who does not have perfect knees.)
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A lot of this has to do with socioeconomic class, but
it is not obvious what are causes and what are effects.
I sometimes buy lunch at Bristol Farms (an upscale
supermarket, they do sell hot meals as well).
Then I sit at an outside table and watch.
No women under 50 are fat. And few men.
This is the reverse of Wal-Mart.
But some things hit the middle and upper middle
classes as well as or more than the lower classes.
As a culture (primarily the US), we swath our
children in cotton. No danger is too remote not to
“protect” the poor little children. Jungle gyms must
be no higher than two feet. Etc.
When almost all the fun stuff is verboten or simply
removed, the children find that the only exciting
things left are video games (and drugs, which
though illegal are still readily available, but that’s
another story).
And then we wonder why we get childhood
obesity.
@me
“I love the fat slobs stuffing their faces with McDonalds declaring “They have great genetics! It’s my genetics, not my Big Mac!”. These pigs then allow their toddlers to chow down on garbage their entire childhoods, churning out more slobs who claim it’s genetics and not the slop they shovel into their faces.”
There is another force at work here, not the food
but the lack of exercise, see above.
Thor
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The Darwinian reason that estrogen puts fat
in other places, NOT the belly, is to advertise
that the women is NOT already pregnant,
and thus worthy of interest.
Thor
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My bro Kahuna is here with me, and just called fat models the suicide bombers of the food industry. LOL!
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@dreamer
Well, possibly. But I have noticed that these Black guys treat such White women like trash. And having a White bitch don’t prevent them from having Black girls as well. I think Black men are natural gamers. They are not affected by PC or feminism, they just use women and trash them. Anyway, as a proof that I am not racist at all. I would encourage Black and Latin women to be as thin as possible. Workout their asses as hard as they can, and develop some wifely traits (like cooking and wearing feminine clothes), so they will pick up the worthy White men who are dissapointed with their fat women.
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@fat loser & Rum
Calorie-in / Calorie-out… Thought experiment.
Have 100 people, same sex age and weight – eat 2.5k calories of USDA recommended guidelines (carb heavy).
Have another 100 people (sex, age and weight same) eat 2.5k of only animal proteins and animal fats.
Control for the same physical activity. Let us say, brisk 2 mile walk every day?
If you don’t think group A will be much fatter than group B, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Saying eat less to lose weight is like telling a beta to just be confident to get laid. The devil is in the details.
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It is good to see intelligent, non-hateful women commenters. It is good to have the insight.
On weight loss, it really is simply calories in must be massively cut. It is hard but do-able. There are no gimmicks or shortcut.
Women need to learn the life destroying consequences of being fat.
This is one more set of pretty lies that have ruined millions of lives for no good reason.
This site, for all it’s occasional venom, does more public good than any other I can think of.
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nicole,
you mentioned in other posts that you now live in israel. what’s your diet like now, and have you felt positive improvements since changing what you’ve been eating?
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Da Truth hurts
I am growing weary of making these same explanations over and over again because they rarely seem to get thru. But for one last time.
1. In medicine, things that are written like equations are equations but they are equations in which there are no constants. IOWs, changing one component will always change all the others. Or they just change on their own even if you just observe them thru time.
2.If one goes to the enormous expense of creating a truly closed system, like NASA must in order to study the requirements of deep space travel in a closed up capsule, good answers about over all systems behavior is obtainable.
In essence, if the measured body heat radiation from a test astronauts body is, say, 1273 cal a day and he or she does 1657 cal of measured work turning a generator crank and the measurable biologically available caloric content of their food pellets is less than 2930 that day some non-water body mass will be auto-consumed to compensate. Whether those calories are fat, protein or raw suger.
3. This says nothing about how it would feel to follow a sugar diet vs. paleo. If absolute compliance is assured, that does not matter. It says nothing about changes in spontaneous non purposeful movement since the effect of that is directly measured and factored in. It says nothing about changes in basal metabolic rates because that is measured and accounted for.
4. It says nothing about whether the tissue lost is fatty or muscle. That is determined by muscle use patterns. This is why astronauts on the space stations work out hours a day.
So, there it is. If every component of these “equations” are carefully measured on a continual basis at great expense Calories in DO equal calories out.
So do not bring this up again or you will make yourself seem ignorant to anyone who is on the inside.
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In the real world, changes in things like diet compliance, exercise burn, spontaneous movements, basal metabolic rates, etc are totally important and make the difference between success and failure for weight loss/muscle strergth.
But in a close system space capsule where everything is either directly measured or directly forced, hardly any of that matters.
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I see a lot of fat advocates out there saying that good food is too expensive compared to fast food…this is another pretty lie.
in my neck of the woods i can get a Lean Cuisine meal with only 300 calories for $2.00 or $2.50. a 1200 calorie McGrease value meal will run you twice that. so the statement that “healthy food is too expensive” is a lie. junk food is more expensive than healthy food. and if money were REALLY an issue, poor fatties would cook at home and end up with even healthier meals.
sure at first you are hungry after lunch if you only eat the Lean Cuisine, but guess what…after a while you get used to the smaller portions. when you get used to the smaller portions you lose weight. it is almost like magic! another thing…drinking less beer = weight loss. UNREAL!!! it is like that stuff i learned in HS health class is real…if calories in is greater than calories spent i gain weight. if calories in is less than calories spent i LOSE weight.
MAGIC!!! and it works so well that even a fatty can do it!
so after 3 months of this magic diet of lean cuisine for lunch, a reasonable dinner (and no beer) i have lost 25 lbs.
MAGIC!!!
the ugly truth is 90%+ of all fatties are lazy parasites. these women to not deserve the cock. Men need to unite and stick with a “no fat chicks” policy. no more pump and dumps. no more slump busting. no more hoggin’ when you don’t feel like putting in effort. starve the whales of the cock and they will change their eating habits.
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Itsme, a few years ago, I felt like…air was made of sand. That’s as best as I can describe it.
Having not felt like that for about 2 and a half years, I felt something like it again after being awake for almost 48 hours straight. Try that, and imagine feeling that way all the time with joints that creak like the Tin Man.
Now, I’m almost back to my hyperactive self, hence the being able to stay awake 48 hours without noticing I was exhausted until near the end. I sleep on average 4-6 hours per night. If I sleep more than 6 hours, I’m probably sick…though I don’t really get sick-sick anymore. I’m sure I probably catch things, but I haven’t had more than a bit of a runny nose since I went natural.
My diet now isn’t strictly paleo. I just eat mostly meat and vegetables. I also forage for wild greens because an African metabolism needs something in dark, leafy ones. I eat a lot of wild lettuce, dandelion, and wild spinach. In the dry season, I get my fix from sprinkling zatar (I think that’s hysop in English) on almost anything I can.
I ferment any grains or beans that I eat, and got into making my own bread. They’re putting soy flour in most commercial breads.
So I’m losing weight slowly but surely. It usually speeds up a bit in the summer, and slows down a bit in the winter. I’m told by some older Arabs and Russians that this is normal. Quite a few of them had a generation or two of westernizing, and are now going back because it made them sick too.
I was hypotyroid, and now I’m not. I had a fatty liver, and now I don’t. I was struggling to move to the point that my hands would get tired while typing, and now if I don’t move I go nuts. So even if I never lose another kilo, I’d feel okay. I’m losing the extra anyway though. I suppose at some point it’ll level off, and whenever it does, I’ll be cool because I’m 40 already. If I was younger, I’d probably do more purposeful calorie restriction rather than the half experimental way I go about it now.
It’s easy for me here because I’m not the only one. Many are returning to a natural diet, and many never stopped.
To the calories in/calories out folks, you’re putting the cart before the horse. It is impossible to successfully restrict calories long term without getting one’s nutritional needs met. So the correct approach is to view the calorie restriction itself as a sort of initial goal.
If a person feeds themselves properly, the body will eventually kick back into human-predator mode where it tells you when you’ve had enough in calories and nutrients, instead of just volume.
At that point, a person can feel okay with not being full. If they have deficiencies though, it’ll take obsession to count calories. It’s not supposed to take that. It doesn’t really need to.
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This is an amazing post because it shows you the power of what happens when you lie to yourself. This is very applicable to dating and relationships. Whevever something goes wrong with a chick, I’m the first person I blame (for either being too beta or too arrogant) because chicks don’t leave men for any other reason. I never blame her, unless she’s on medication.
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Finger’s, women are for the most part fatally socially dependent. It’s hard for them not to lie to themselves when others aren’t helping them to do it.
This is basically what a beta does: convince a woman that she is worth more than she is and that she has options that she doesn’t.
It’s wonderful to be loved despite one’s flaws or even because of them when they add character or tickle a fetish within reason. It’s a bad idea though, to convince a woman that she has no flaws because she becomes overly entitled…and if she doesn’t then she grows to resent your approval seeking dishonesty.
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on April 22, 2011 at 2:26 pm A French guy living in CA
@dreamer
as a proof that I am not racist at all. I would encourage Black and Latin women to be as thin as possible. Workout their asses as hard as they can, and develop some wifely traits (like cooking and wearing feminine clothes), so they will pick up the worthy White men who are dissapointed with their fat women.
*Lemme snatch tha sheet off this fool*
You are lucky I like my crackers salty:
“so they will pick up the worthy White men who are dissapointed with their fat women.”
Look honkey, Aunt Jemima don’t live here no more; you fucked that up.
Why should non white women workout so they can pick up your fat, lazy, pink frog eatin ass?
The white man; always tryin to get somethin for nothin.
(((shakin my head)))
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So, to the question, who is fucking all the fat white women? Black guys, from what I can tell.
Which black guys? The college educated guys who run their own businesses and/or work for a living? Or the unemployed thugs? Oh wait all black guys are the same. Go ask those white women with white kids in tow at the same hearing why they are there…oh because white trash don’t pay child support either! Trash is trash.
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lol french guy. i am sure thin, beautiful black and latina women with lovely wifely qualities do not need disappointed white men as their partners. 😉
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You guys should come to Canada, even the fat bitches up here have shit attitudes.
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@Dj
You guys should come to Canada, even the fat bitches up here have shit attitudes.
How you can invite them in good conscience?!
You’re evil!
/heh
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@Bhetti said: “Exercise myths abound. Cardio is useless.”
Cardio is key! There are two factors that end up as improvised explosive devices against your cardio program:
1) must do cardio in morning, before eating anything (water is ok), and do it 5 days a week.
2) if you rationalize a pig-fest by thinking you can do it since you are doing cardio all the time…pointless
Being is pig is caused by personal weakness. Cardio also fails due to personal weakness. It isn’t cardio’s fault that you are weak.
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@ABlackGuy
Black men don’t like fat women. BROKE men like fat women.”
BINGO.
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@everybody
“Racism is the most crudely primitive form of
collectivism”.
Seen that quote before?
Thor
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Random thought: now that we’re going to have a free trade agreement with Colombia, can we send them some of our heffers and get fine ass like Melanie Rios in return?
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and the worst thing is that they tend to wear more revealing clothes as if that compensates for the rest.
if you’re a fat girl and you’re reading this blog post please do yourself and the world a favor and eat a paleo LOW carb diet (NOT a low fat diet) and start lifting weights.
Low-carb + weight lifting. Forget cardio.
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Polichinello:
“and he pointed out that weight really isn’t that complicated. Eat less and exercize more. Don’t supersize your meals, and don’t sit in front of the tube for hours on end. It really is that simple.”
it isn’t about too much calories it’s about too much carbohydrates. It’s easy to gain weight eating lots of carbohydrates and sugar a couple of days in a row but if you eat the same amount of calories without the carbs you either gain no weight or you start losing some. The calorie balance theory doesn’t work when you actually try to * gain * fat. That’s why sumo wrestlers for example eat a high carb diet, they wouldn’t be able to become as fat as they are by overeating fat.
Most of us didn’t evolve in a carbohydrates-rich environment so our bodies aren’t equipped to deal that kind of diet. Carbohydrates restriction is the key to weight loss & maintenance, especially refined carbohydrates i.e. flour, bread, pasta, breakfast cereals, cakes, etc.
Fat Loser:
“So here’s your challenge then”
here’s mine instead, it’s easier: try to gain a lot of weight overeating on a very low carb diet. I tried it and I was stuck on a weight gain plateau of 3 pounds. I tried my best, ate almost twice as much as I need but I couldn’t accumulate more than that. But I easily gained almost 10 pounds overeating Little Debbie cakes in less time. I used to be 30 pounds overweight back in the days when I ate a high carb student diet of french fries and pizza so I’m not one of those chronically underweight people who can’t gain weight or muscle.
the real test to verify the validity of the calorie balance theory of weight gain & fat accumulation is weight gain (duh), not weight loss. Think about it.
(BTW some researchers actually did overeating studies on prisoners and it didn’t confirm the calorie balance theory and there’s a BBC documentary floating on youtube about thin people not getting fat despite their overeating.)
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90% of the increase in calories from 1970 to now has been from two sources: grains and sugar. So, to reverse the obesity epidemic, THOSE are the foods that have to be significantly reduced.
http://attractionreaction.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/chapter-8-the-obesity-epidemic/
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Female BMI as a measure of male social power « yetzerhara
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I’m a lesbian, but I don’t hate men.
Girls are beautiful. I particularly love girls that look like short, fat men.
The great thing about butch lesbians is that they are so polite and, well, gentlemenly.
If you’re a short guy, I feel sorry for you.
When I met my girlfriend, she boldly came right up to me and said, “I want to fuck you, I want to eat your pussy, I want to lick your ass.” We left the club a few minutes later; the sex was incredibly hot.
I have to stop at the adult store and buy another penis-shaped dildo.
Men are pigs. All they think about is sex.
Chris Brown is sooooo hot.
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It’s easy to enjoy fat girls.
Really, it’s all about the marinade.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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@xsplat
“Plus, men socialize such that unclear thinking is shamed. Women socialize such that clear thinking is shamed.”
BINGO !!!
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@Feh
Hamster Politics 101? What does that mean? I am not trying to be rude or condescending. I simply am seeking claritification.
@Stan
Calories in matters, but it is more three dimensional than that. Experiments done on rats whose insulin levels were maintained artificially high at a constant rate did not lose fat even when they starved to death. This is an extreme example, since our insulin levels are constantly fluctuating. However, it proves a point that it is what causes fat cells to take in glucose from the blood and store it. High levels of glucose in blood = high insulin levels. It is perfectly reasonable, as you say, to say that calories in is what matters in losing weight. But it doesn’t have the last say on what type of weight gets lost (one pound of muscle vs. one pound of fat), nor how quickly our body burns energy. It is not unreasonable when considering the visual impact fat as a percentage of weight has.
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wow, i didnt know so many ignorant gorillas knew how to type.
[Editor: And yet here you are reading gorilla literature.]
As a biologists I have a few things to say.
[How to distinguish between the singular and plural?]
1) It is a common misconception that human men are predispositioned to be attracted to a certain female figure. Attraction (in all species) varies slowly over time with no fixed standard, much in the same way fish grew legs and moved to the land (in lamen’s terms). Primative males in regions in Africa, for example, are attracted to fatter women. They actually are more apt to be arroused around a heavy girl than a skinny one. This is due to centutries where the wealthy women had money to drink milk for much of the day, causing them to get fat, while skinny women drank water and did labor. Men instinctually became attracted to that look because it meant they could have a better off life and she was a more “desirable” mate based on their cultures standards.
[Over a long enough timespan it is possible for attraction standards to change. But that timespan is so long — on the order of hundreds of thousands if not millions of years — that the argument is irrelevant to the attractiveness standards that currently living women and multiple generations of their descendents must meet to sexually entice men. HInt: Fat women are still shit outta luck.
As for your African example: while it is possible that black men on average like their women a little fuller in the butt (racial disparities in attraction triggers likely exist, just as racial differences along other metrics exist), it is a preference for a minor degree of plumpness. Black men, given a free choice, don’t prefer obese whales. Furthermore, studies have been done which demonstrated that men the world over prefer hourglass shapes and a BMI within the 17-23 range.]
This example alone proves that men are no attracted to skinny women naturally because they look ‘not pregnant’ or some other reason.
[Actually, men are attracted to thin women because they look hot.]
These people do not have technology so you dont see them making their cases, but they exist in large numbers throughout africa and in smaller numbers throughout the world.
[The bulk of studies disputes your point.]
Also, women are not here to please men.
[They are if they want to reproduce or fall in love.]
Maybe the fat girls simply do not care about how turned on you are by them?
[As my tastes in women match the tastes of the vast majority of men, fat tubbos are gonna have to deal with the fact that they will have a harder time in the dating market than they would if they were thin. So they can care about food more than sex and love, but their decisions will have consequences.]
Or, maybe the have a husband or boyfriend who likes curvy, think, chubby, fat, or obese women.
[Ah, the magical fatty fucker who lives by the billions in the unicorn and rainbow land of fatopia, where fat girls can find all the love their hefty hearts desire. Too bad for fat chicks living in the real world the ratio of genuine fatty fuckers to fatsos is not enough to romantically please more than an insignificant minority of them.]
This is not uncommon.
[The world is full of option-less losers. All those boyfriends and husbands are settling. Few of them would not be more turned on if their girlfriends and wives lost weight.]
So, when they are confident, maybe they own that right because, as a homosapien, they have successfully sttracted another mate (who to them is desirable) through looking bigger.
[Getting a loser to dump a fuck in you is not the definition of success.]
Therefore, mentally they will feel confidence and fullfillment for their species. This again, is biological fact.
[Fat women are more unhappy than thin women. Studies upon request.]
Therefore, virtually all comment on this page are ‘ignorant’ to the biological process of the evolution of attraction and the biopsychology of homosapiens.
[Is proof by assertion something you learned in the ivory tower, phd-boy?]
Fat women ARE actually desirable mates to many males,
[If by “many”, you mean “a tiny few”, then yeah you have a point.]
and it is likely that one day skinny women will be unappealing to the masses, because if society keeps getting bigger, it is only expected that homosapiens will evolve through natural selection to be able to endure extra pounds (ala a walrus).
[Sadly, it won’t happen soon enough for you, fat-chick-impersonating-a-phd-boy]
you have a right to be turned off… but biological ignorance and intellectual close-mindedness is what is truly going to be the demise of human kind.
[Nah. You know what’s gonna be the demise of humankind? Leftie PC brainwashing like the sort you cling to for dear life. And fat chicks sitting on all of us.]
I suggest you not argue unless you have Ph.D, and if you do please provide me with your case studies and insight, because I have spent 21 years doing research and always enjoy to hear the null hypothesis!
[My null hypothesis is that your phd is a great ass-wiping substitute.]
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this is super
http://reflectionof.me/extreme-weight-loss
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