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Why GSS Sex Questions Should Be Taken With A Flat Of Salt

April 29, 2011 by CH

The problem with sex surveys has been the same since the first white-coated experimenter got it in his head to ask women about their sex lives —

women lie about sex.

Not only do women lie about sex, but their vaginas and brains aren’t even on the same page when it comes to what they find sexually stimulating. Their own vaginas seem to be lying to them.

A study from a few years ago examined this problem and found that women lie worse than men on sex surveys, and lie about a whole host of behaviors that they are afraid might label them a slut:

Women are more likely than men to lie about their sex lives as a study reveals they routinely claim to have slept with fewer partners than they have.

The report points to discrepancies in the results of sex surveys since the Sixties which have indicated heterosexual men exaggerate the number of their partners, with British men claiming an average of 13 over their lifetime.

Yet women in the UK claim an average of nine – leading to the unlikely conclusion that the majority of Britain’s menfolk are having sex with foreign women. Similar studies elsewhere suggest that this is statistically impossible.

Until now, scientists had thought that both sexes were lying – with men inflating the number of partners and women understating them.

But the study reveals women’s embellishments include adding years to the age they claim to have lost their virginity and lying about masturbation and use of pornography. The survey in the Journal of Sex Research quizzed 96 men and 105 women. Some were told their answers were anonymous, some were told a researcher was watching and the rest were told they were being monitored by lie detector.

“Women are so sensitive about being labelled ‘whores’ that they are very reluctant to be honest about their sexual behaviour, even in supposedly anonymous surveys,” said Terri Fisher, who headed the study at Ohio State University in the US.

Women lie to cover up their sluttiness? Who woulda thunk it!

A lot of bloggers like to use GSS (General Social Survey) data to track changes in society’s sexual behavior. Many of these bloggers have found in this data evidence that American women are becoming less slutty in the past ten or twenty years. This does not jibe with my personal experience, so I knew something was amiss. I mused that perhaps American society is bifurcating into two female camps, with the urban blue state camp waving the banner of Team Slut and the religious red state camp hoisting the flag of Team Prude. Since there are more red state godly girls than there are blue state heretic hos, I figured that would account for the overall trend toward less sluttiness.

But studies like the above point out a real problem with sex survey data like that found in the GSS — women just aren’t going to tell you the truth about their sex lives under most normal circumstances, even when anonymity is guaranteed. And that may be the real reason why the GSS gurus are finding chimeras of chasteness that don’t really exist — the data are corrupt.

The only way you are going to get an accurate reading of what kind of sex lives women lead is to secretly videotape the numbers, and types, of men she bangs with her pussy or ass, blows, or pleases with an old-fashioned, because women will conveniently rationalize anything other than penis in vagina as “not really sex”.

Now that’s science I can get behind.

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  1. on April 29, 2011 at 1:26 pm Passingby

    I knew a gal who lost her virginity before 16. She had at least three boyfriends in order before high school ended, each of which she banged *constantly* while with them. I can only imagine what college was like for her. My guess is she was ridden by at least three more boyfriends, and maybe a few on the side to boot.

    When she was 28, though, and looking to get married for a second time, guess what? She was married in a fundamentalist parish in Florida, while getting praised by the preacher about her virtue, and how special it was for her and her 26 year old virgin husband to have saved themselves for marriage.

    ROFLMA

    The dude had no clue that he was the virgin, but she was literally over a decade into serious fucking on a regular basis before meeting him.

    Guys, that is a true story. Think about that next time a woman in her twenties coyly claims to have only had “one boyfriend” or is a virgin.

    Bullllllllshit.

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  2. on April 29, 2011 at 1:50 pm Lol

    I thought being a skank was empowering? It looks like deep down, all women realize that sluts have the lowest sexual market value.

    Girls also rationalize sex. They say they’re still virgins if they’ve sucked a cock and taken it up the ass but haven’t had vaginal sex.

    Newsflash: You’re not a virgin if you’ve had cock in any of your holes.

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  3. on April 29, 2011 at 1:57 pm somuchhatred

    Jesus Christ. Stop labeling women whores/sluts and judging their sexuality. Just be glad they are open about their sexuality.

    [Editor: Labeling is not judging. hth, you liberal weenie.]

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  4. on April 29, 2011 at 1:58 pm Lol

    Here’s a woman (Susan Walsh) who said that Jacelyn Friedman’s Slut Empowerment stunt was a sad gesture by an aging woman who is losing her market value.

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2010/08/02/hookinguprealities/deconstructing-the-sluthood-of-jaclyn-friedman/

    Jacelyn Friedman, if you don’t know, is man-faced, unattractive feminist who trolled Craigslist searching for hookups. She couched the whole thing as Slut Empowerment. It’s funny because she went all emotional when one of the Craigslist guys who was using her as semen dumpster didn’t want to make the ‘relationship’ any more serious.

    Anyway, all the feminists from the four corners of the internet descended on that post started flaming Susan Walsh.

    Read that post, it’s quite funny.

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  5. on April 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm Ascending Alpha

    These days more and more women are sleeping with a ton of guys. I wouldnt be surprised if the average college girl sleeps with 3 guys a year. So by today’s standards, what is a slut?

    A girl who had slept with 10 guys? 20? 50?

    [Editor: A slut is a woman who sleeps with more than the median number of men. If the GSS is to be believed, that means more than 3 men. But there are limits to this relative definition. If the median moves up to 50, that just means most women are raging sluts. Shifting standards are the sort of ruse that porky pigs apply to themselves to gain plenary indulgence from the torments of the dating market. “Oh, well, the average weight has increased to 160 pounds, so I’m not fat anymore!” Eh, that slippery shit ain’t gonna fly on this outpost of stylistic hate.]

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  6. on April 29, 2011 at 2:16 pm Chaucer

    @Ascending Alpha

    “. I wouldnt be surprised if the average college girl sleeps with 3 guys a year”

    Are you kidding me? You wish. Go ahead and triple that number.

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  7. on April 29, 2011 at 2:31 pm thesecond

    People are becoming more open about their sexuality. Even if women do lie more about sex, I doubt the degree of deceit has increased, so if the statistics show a decrease, it probably does exist.

    [Editor: Society may be more accepting of sex talk, but we don’t know for sure if women lied just as much on past sex surveys. It’s possible women are lying more today because they have compartmentalized certain sexual acts as being nonsexual in nature.]

    There were huge crack wars in the 1990s. They ended, which probably accounts for the increase in sexual morality. Crack cocaine probably has a bigger impact on a woman’s sluttiness than most other things.

    [The crack wars affected mostly blacks, who make up 12% of the population. That wouldn’t seem to be enough to move the overall sluttiness indicator needle very far in either direction.]

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  8. on April 29, 2011 at 2:33 pm whiskey

    Lots of partners make women good for casual sex. And guarantees pretty much failure in any marriage. As this becomes known (most women are wildly promiscuous) the amount of time/energy/support men will be willing to give women is going to decline radically.

    EVERYTHING has a price. Everything. Promiscuity is among them. If it is widespread, men will pump and dump, spread their seed. And society quickly devolves into West African norms.

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  9. on April 29, 2011 at 2:37 pm quetal

    do you want to know how much slutty women are? go check out the sex questions that they answer on their OKCUPID profiles.

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  10. on April 29, 2011 at 2:39 pm itsme

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2010/08/02/hookinguprealities/deconstructing-the-sluthood-of-jaclyn-friedman/

    was jaclyn friedman born a woman?? seriously, she’s got distinctively mannish features.

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  11. on April 29, 2011 at 2:42 pm Firepower

    I KNOW what gets the girlies wet.

    There was a U of Minnesota study on female arousal.

    Had the babes look at porn, then key in the number corresponding to their level of hot. All said they hate hate hated it.

    but…the poon thermometer stuck up their vag to measure bloodflow/dilation/heat/coozy juice…

    all proved them LIARS. Once I read the results – boom. Whack ’em ‘n stack ’em.

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  12. on April 29, 2011 at 3:05 pm 22-year-old virgin

    Based on my personal experiences, women are pathological liars when it comes to discussing their prior sexual encounters.

    4 years ago I met a potential girlfriend who I was interested in dating. She initially told me that she was a virgin. One day we were talking on the phone, and somehow the subject of her past boyfriend came about, which I had never her about up until this point. I asked her how long she had dated him, and she answered 4 months. I then asked her how it was possible for her to be a virgin when she had dated someone for that length of time. She reluctantly said, “he was using me for oral.” I remember precisely that she said only “oral” and not “oral sex,” indicating that she was too much of a coward to fess up to the fact that what she did really was sex.

    What happened next wasn’t good. I yelled at her on the phone for lying to me about her prior sexual behavior. She was incredibly hostile to the idea that she wasn’t really a virgin. I asked her if a prostitute had sex with thousands of men and only gave them oral and anal sex but had never experienced vaginal penetration in her life, would she still be a virgin? She didn’t know how to answer that question and hung up, and I never heard back from her.

    I, someone who wants to have sexual relations with only one person (my wife) in my entire life, have a really hard time finding someone to date and eventually marry who also wants to have sexual relations with only her husband in her entire life. Even though I’ve been reading this blog for half a year, I still don’t understand why people don’t like monogamy.

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  13. on April 29, 2011 at 3:25 pm Sad B

    Women delude themselves.
    I checked some profiles from New Yorkers at OkCupid.

    Basically every little thing they do is magic (that is a BETA song). You know how girls stick pictures and tickets and shit in scrapbooks? That’s what their profiles are.
    “I’ve been to Argentina, I’ve scuba dived, I’ve been backstage at a rock concert…etc etc”.

    There is absolutely no substance. It is just a mix of little experiences that don’t add up to anything, but they want a guy who has been to more countries, who has read the same books, who is taller than she is…

    Of course what they really want is alpha cock, but what alpha guy is willing to burst that wall of pretentiousness?

    Now imagine the schmuck who gets entangled with such a bitch. She will want another experience, and another experience for her self “development”, until any normal human being kicks her ass off.

    In a decade, we will see so many, but so many single cat ladies who traveled the world and have seen all Broadway plays, that they will be considered a plague and a public health hazard.

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  14. on April 29, 2011 at 3:29 pm Opus

    I have lost track as to whether I have had sex with nine or with thirteen women (or perhaps it was some other number) and then again I prefer to count romantic assignations in all their various degress, for undoubtedly I have slept with some women which meant far less to me than others I never – quite – made it with.

    That survey could however be right as many of my conquests were European rather than English and as most English Women are such bad-tempered uber-bitches I do rather do my best to avoid them.

    Certainly women are prone to under-estimate, for obvious reasons, and also tend to mentally erase those they would prefer to forget about. ‘I wished I hadn’t’ ergo ‘it never happened’ or these days ‘I was raped’!! for as we all know out of every ten college students thrteen have been raped in the last year, – if only in their fantasies.

    My advice (if I may give it) to twenty two year old virgin, above, is that women lie and you cannot change human nature and sadly nothing is to be gained from losing ones rag with a woman especially one you want to sleep with. She feels bad, you feel bad. Better to be patient. I speak from experience there. In the long run it does not matter.

    I wouldn’t exactly care to define a slut or a whore, but if (as one of my ex’s told me) ‘ I was like an unpaid prostitute’ – she wasn’t she meant her studs were like unpaid Gigolos – notice the way she twists it round to make it look as if she is doing them a favour – and she confessed to me to have slept with 300+ in the two years before we met, and another ex gf who slept with pro rata 77 in as many days (and she paid for it). and thinks she is a Mary Magdelene type (i.e. whore) then I think we can assume they adequately satisfy the defrinition of Whore (i.e. Not Marriage material – indeed so bad they are not even worth Pump and Dump – not if one has any self respect or reputation worth prerserving, never mind a desire to avoid STDs).

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  15. on April 29, 2011 at 3:32 pm Sad B

    What girls today want is to collect sex experiences during their prime years, to have schmucks drooling for them, and to get a beta provider when they are 30.

    But since they that slutiness is a big turn off, they omit their past experiences. It is like they never happened. Or something that is personal, not to be discussed.

    What is more important for a groom-to-be ? To know about how many countries his bride has been (probably riding foreign cock) or what emotional past she has? How can anyone build a life and have children, for Pete’s sake, with someone they only know for their “cultural and sports” experiences?

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  16. on April 29, 2011 at 3:44 pm Passingby

    22 year old virgin,

    You yelled at her, because she actually started to get honest, a little bit? (sigh)

    First a reality check for you: If a woman is age 18 in America, she has grabbed at least one man’s dick in her hand, been finger-banged at least a dozen times, almost certainly had at least one dick in her mouth, and probably had unprotected vaginal sex, often with more than one partner. This is true for even the ugly or fat ones.

    That same woman is unlikely to admit to any of the foregoing to you. At most she will simply talk about her “number”, which is really just the number of long-term boyfriends she had, who she slept with. She will leave out of that number all the handjobs, blowjobs, hook-ups on vacation, finger-bangs at the movie, sex at the frat house, cheating sessions her fremenies’ boyfriends, etc.

    Rather than sitting there getting angry at potential lays like this gal–an anger due mainly to sexual frustration, which is arising from your unrealistic expectations of women–go get laid.

    In short, you can either spend your life wishing for a woman who doesn’t exist, or start enjoying the ones you are meeting. The latter offers you a much more enjoyable life.

    Oh, and if a woman you are interested in or having sex with starts to discuss prior lovers with you, dump her or tell her to shut up and then have sex with her. But don’t waste your time listening to, let alone obsessing over, what she did in the past with some other guy.

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  17. on April 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm noob

    @22-year-old virgin

    My understanding of it is that a girl can always just fuck some random dude and get pregnant. For beta men dedication of resources is the only way to get kids. Thus the basis for the evolution of this adaptation and beta men finding monogamy the most meaningful thing. For women the optimum is finding an alpha to fuck her to get the best genes and a beta provider, family or a community for resources to raise the kids. For alpha men the optimum is to fuck as many hot babes as he can.

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  18. on April 29, 2011 at 3:53 pm Z

    this is the biggest reason why I would never marry and am now a fusion of MGTOW and PUA. I party when I can, but I am pretty much done with serious relationships, escorts might the best way.I just want to get laid. and I don’t trust people in general women or men.

    it’s ok i feel like a weight has lifted off my shoulders, I enjoy casual sex and that’s it. There is too much risk.

    when I was a teenager I was the second sex partner for my then 16 year old GF( I was 15). years later she found my on Myspace, we are now in our 30’s. She told me that her soon to be hubby ( a much younger deeply religious man and fireman) she had only slept with 7 guys. They got married, He found out, the true number is 47, she left off the “4”. According to her, he started crying and screaming, and apparently almost got sick.

    the years after we broke up she become a stripper , got into drugs fucked everyone like mad, had an abortion with some violent guy’s kid. The horror goes on, this all came out sometime after the wedding. Now she’s getting fat 32 and he still took her in.The guy is a chump,

    dont get married fellas, they lie and lie and lie

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  19. on April 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm Passingby

    “For women the optimum is finding an alpha to fuck her to get the best genes and a beta provider, family OR A COMMUNITY for resources to raise the kids.”

    Helllllo, welfare state! A world where alphas get sex, moms get checks, and betas get nothing except the bill.

    At least in the old days, the betas got boring sex from bored women in exchange for bringing home some berries and the occasional squirrel meat. Now those poor bastards simply get an auto-deduct from their paycheck, and no female attention.

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  20. on April 29, 2011 at 4:01 pm Thwack

    22-year-old virgin

    “I, someone who wants to have sexual relations with only one person (my wife) in my entire life, have a really hard time finding someone to date and eventually marry who also wants to have sexual relations with only her husband in her entire life. Even though I’ve been reading this blog for half a year, I still don’t understand why people don’t like monogamy.”

    Yo V man,

    If you really want that kind of girl and you are a white person, your only hope may be to become an open white supremacist.

    Some guy who is also a racist may give his daughter to you.

    Other than that, you and your big lips should start converting to Islam right now.

    Good luck

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  21. on April 29, 2011 at 4:15 pm dragnet

    “I knew a gal who lost her virginity before 16. She had at least three boyfriends in order before high school ended, each of which she banged *constantly* while with them. I can only imagine what college was like for her. My guess is she was ridden by at least three more boyfriends, and maybe a few on the side to boot.

    When she was 28, though, and looking to get married for a second time, guess what? She was married in a fundamentalist parish in Florida, while getting praised by the preacher about her virtue, and how special it was for her and her 26 year old virgin husband to have saved themselves for marriage.

    ROFLMA”

    If you switch the genders here, this is precisely my plan for marriage.

    And I’m going to pull it off, just you wait and see.

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  22. on April 29, 2011 at 4:23 pm dragnet

    She told me that her soon to be hubby (a much younger deeply religious man and fireman) she had only slept with 7 guys. They got married, He found out, the true number is 47, she left off the “4″

    This is something I don’t understand—how can you keep count of that many sex partners??! How do you not lose count? I lost count around 20. I really don’t know how women can keep the exact facts & figures of their sex lives in hand…and yet suck at math and be completely irrational in just about every other situaion.

    Good rule of thumb: if you can count the exact number of partners you’ve had, then you are not alpha.

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  23. on April 29, 2011 at 4:36 pm Z

    @dragnet,

    thats just what she told me, her real number was 47, not 7. and he freaked out .Point his, he married everybody else’s leftovers, including mine, and she’s 32 and getting BIG. what a lucky guy!

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  24. on April 29, 2011 at 5:02 pm itsme

    This is something I don’t understand—how can you keep count of that many sex partners??! How do you not lose count? I lost count around 20. I really don’t know how women can keep the exact facts & figures of their sex lives in hand…and yet suck at math and be completely irrational in just about every other situaion.

    remembering a number doesn’t really require math skills, it’s just remembering a number. it’s like remembering your birthday or street address – no maths necessary.

    also, i’m convinced women can probably recall the details of every sexual encounter they’ve had, unless they were truly wasted or drugged at the time.

    [Editor: Absolutely. Don’t kid yourselves, guys. If women can remember something you said three years ago they can remember how many men they fucked, and in what fashion they got fucked by them.]

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  25. on April 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm itsme

    This is something I don’t understand—how can you keep count of that many sex partners??! How do you not lose count? I lost count around 20. I really don’t know how women can keep the exact facts & figures of their sex lives in hand…and yet suck at math and be completely irrational in just about every other situaion.

    it’s just remembering a number, like remembering your phone number, birthdate, or street address. no math skills necessary.

    i’m convinced that women can probably recall the details of every sexual encounter they’ve ever had, unless they were drugged or truly wasted at the time.

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  26. on April 29, 2011 at 5:11 pm Anonymous

    You can never know for sure but I just assume the average half-way attractive single woman is sleeping with 4 different men per year for every year she is single. Absolute minimum. On the slutty end – 1 men per month.

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  27. on April 29, 2011 at 5:49 pm xsplat

    22 year old virgin

    Even though I’ve been reading this blog for half a year, I still don’t understand why people don’t like monogamy.

    Experiences make the man. A once popular PUA catchphrase suggested as the cure for pathological infatuation was “find and fuck 20 other girls”. That was said to change your sexual attitude – somewhat permanently – and re-set your emotional/sexual compass.

    Once you’ve had casual anonymous sex and enjoyed it, you’ll “get” why people do it. I understand you are nowhere near close to being able to imagine that now. Many of us men have at one time or other been like you. Romantic.

    I find that the more lonely I am, the more romantic and leaning towards monogamy. The more girls I’m dating, the less interested in monogamy. It’s likely the human condition that a portion of your temperament is situational. You are coming at mating from a provider-beta stance. It is also quite likely that a larger proportion is not situational, but innate preference. Lot’s of guys are purity freaks who want lifetime monogamy. They seem born for the role.

    Regardless of which percentage of your condition is situational or temperamental, you won’t be able to “understand” peoples attitude towards sex until you’ve personally experienced them. And as you don’t want to experience those attitudes, they will remain foreign to you, by choice.

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  28. on April 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm Fidel Ribbentrop

    @CR:

    Your personal experience isn’t relevant. In the past 10-20 years you’ve become more alpha. Thus women are sluttier with you. In a world where more men are becoming more beta, why wouldn’t women be less slutty? They’re all crowding around a handful of alpha males, leading to sexual traffic congestion.

    Of course women lie about their sexual history, but do we have any reason to suppose they’re lying more, rather than being less slutty? I tend to assume that the statistics on women’s partner counts are at least correlated to the true value. If the GSS says average partner count went from 9 to 8, that may really mean 27 to 24, but it means what it looks like. Why should they be lying more?

    [Editor: I’m just speculating here, but it’s possible that a cultural climate which exalts women and assumes their chastity does not create an incentive for women to lie about their sexual history on sex surveys. In other words, the assumption that women lied about their sex habits just as much in 1950 as they do now in 2011 is not necessarily an open and shut case.]

    For that matter, why should red girls lie more than blue girls?

    [I doubt there is much difference in lying proclivity between red and blue state girls, god’s eternal punishment notwithstanding.]

    Just because you support slut pride in theory

    [Where have I done that? All I say is that a) sluts are easy lays and b) girls who think sluttiness will have no ramifications on their ability to extract commitment from a high value man or that men aren’t capable of identifying sluts based on some telltale clues are woefully mistaken.]

    doesn’t mean you forget all of a sudden how to lie your way into the arms of the leader of the pack. No, you say: “Personally, I’m saving myself for Mr. Right, but I support Slut Pride 100%!”

    [Oh, wait, nevermind, I thought you were directing that “you” at me. Yeah, I don’t think there are significant regional or cultural differences in the ease with which women lie about past sex partners.]

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  29. on April 29, 2011 at 5:59 pm chi-town

    Virgins? Its got to be young, really fat, or Evangelical Christian. Combining them is a plan.

    Get yourself a young, fat, Evangelical Christian. Use the authority of a patriarchal religion and reign down upon her condemnations of gluttony.

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  30. on April 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm xsplat

    noob

    Thus the basis for the evolution of this adaptation and beta men finding monogamy the most meaningful thing.

    Yeah! My idea has officially matured and given babies and is a free wild meme in the wild!

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  31. on April 29, 2011 at 6:13 pm xsplat

    Now those poor bastards simply get an auto-deduct from their paycheck, and no female attention.

    It’s very difficult to beat the system. And dangerous. But also fun and rewarding.

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  32. on April 29, 2011 at 6:15 pm xsplat

    Good rule of thumb: if you can count the exact number of partners you’ve had, then you are not alpha.

    Oh, come on. How hard is x+1?

    [Editor: Men have worse memories for this sort of thing than women do, despite what they tell their friends. It gets a little fuzzy, especially with the one night stands. Which indicates that female lying on sex surveys is even more consciously outlandish than assumed at first glance, as women are lying about something they have pretty good memories for.
    But it is possible for men with lots of past lovers to give a rounded number that is pretty close to the actual number. Let’s say + or – 10.]

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  33. on April 29, 2011 at 7:50 pm gringochileno

    Love the blog but I don’t find your argument convincing on this one CR. Yes, your overall point that women lie about their sexual histories seems indisputable, but with that being the case there still shouldn’t be a problem with using the GSS data to monitor changes in women’s sexual behavior.

    For instance, say women under-report their number of sexual partners by 50%, and that in the last 20 years the average reported number of partners has gone from 10 to 8, meaning that the real number of partners has gone from 20 to 16. Even though the absolute numbers the survey is giving us are probably garbage, we can still infer that women are having sex with fewer partners and guess at the relative magnitude of the decrease.

    What you need to show in order to support your thesis is that not only do women under-report, but they also are under-reporting to a greater degree now than they were previously. I don’t see that you’ve presenting convincing evidence that this is the case. In fact, it seems to me that if anything the opposite may be true as society at large has become more accepting of slutty behavior.

    [Editor: A commenter above made the same point, which I answered by asking if it was a certainty that women’s rate of lying on sex surveys has remained unchanged in fifty years. I don’t have evidence for that, but did offer some speculation that a culture which pedestalizes women and assumes their chasteness, as we had in the mid 20th century, may in fact provide less of an incentive for women to lie about their number of sex partners. A society in which sexual deviancy is more widely accepted, as we have today, may, unintuitively, have the opposite effect on women’s propensity to lie about self-reported sexual behavior, causing them to lie more because a loose culture tars them with the presumption of sluttiness.]

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  34. on April 29, 2011 at 8:13 pm gringochileno

    Yes, but by the same token a woman would have a lot more to lose in the 1950’s if her sluttiness was found out than she would today due to the current prevalence of attitudes that being promiscuous is okay. Hell, we live in a society in which women can join together in massive slutwalks proclaiming their allegiance to the alpha cock carousel with seemingly no social sanctions being levied on them. While your point about the presumptive level of promiscuity having changed is well-taken, it’s far from conclusive and at best indicates that we should take changes in the survey results with a grain of salt.

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  35. on April 29, 2011 at 8:18 pm Lara

    22 year virgin,
    Your future wife’s chastity may be greatly valued by you, but she isn’t going to value your chastity the same way.

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  36. on April 29, 2011 at 8:33 pm tacomaster

    If I could get accurate information, I would be extremely interested in surveying “Christian women” ie “reformed sluts”. It’s interesting how many posts have a recurring theme about women who have banged and sucked every dick from here to China and then have a feeling of remorse (typically around 28 years old or so when they know their value is going down and they realize their window of opportunity to snag a guy is dwindling).

    From talking to some of the girls (20-28 year olds) at my church in one-on-one settings (don’t want anyone to know they have slut tendencies–gotta put on the holier than thou mask), several have admitted to banging several different guys a month (but only until they find their “one true love”) and only doing anal and oral (to save their “virginity”). Wonder how prevalent this is.

    Funniest thing I heard this week. Know a 23 year old, a solid 9-unbelievably gorgeous is getting married in a few weeks to a total Omega. He gives a off a very strong gay vibe-think Lt Dangle from Reno 911. I ask her why she’s marrying him. Her reply “He doesn’t disrespect me. He isn’t interested in having sex with me”. Does anyone else find that peculiar?

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  37. on April 29, 2011 at 8:44 pm gunner451

    I would argue that the more guys they have had sex with the more percentage they are going to lie up to a point, after which they will simply state a number that they feel represents a non-slutty number. Good example is the fireman that married the girl that said 7 when it was really 47 (or more). The hamster spins faster the more they have to rationalize. Thus the GSS is actually telling us that women are in fact getting more slutty since most of them have so many lovers that instead of knocking off a percentage (like 50% or 75%) of their count they are instead giving a number that they feel defines them as non-slutty, which appears to be 7 if the sample of one is considered representative.
    did you ever post a list of slut characteristics? If so would like a pointer to it. Thanks.

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  38. on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm Z

    @tacomaster

    that was exactly my story as I listed above, she suddenly became hardcore religious around that age after her wild time and then decided to settle down with Mr. religious beta

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  39. on April 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm gringochileno

    The best way to resolve this question is probably to look at the data for men, who aren’t subject to the same rationalization process and societal pressures to skew their reporting. Yes, using men’s average number of female sexual partners as a proxy for women’s average number of male partners is imperfect since it doesn’t take into account sex with foreigners, but it should be good enough for at least looking at the direction of the trends. I don’t have the relevant GSS data handy, does anyone know how to get it?

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  40. on April 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm tacomaster

    @Z
    ya, your posting reminded me of it. It must be a very common thing amongst women.

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  41. on April 29, 2011 at 10:07 pm senseiern

    If you want to know how slutty women are, read http://www.textsfromlastnight.com .

    One of fundamental Christianity’s dirty little secrets is that the girls are not as pure as they claim. Out of my class of 6 guys and 9 girls, I was in a small Christian school. All six guys were virgins until marriage, and all nine girls were pregnant before marriage.

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  42. on April 29, 2011 at 10:09 pm senseiern

    Oh, all but one guy, me, are still married to their first wife. All the women are divorced except for the one who married a preacher…and their first kid probably isn’t his.

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  43. on April 29, 2011 at 10:09 pm namae nanka

    “Their own vaginas seem to be lying to them.”

    Men’s heads know when they are at loggerheads, but women’s lips talk to the world and not to each other.

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  44. on April 30, 2011 at 1:51 am Serenety

    Its a misnomer to think that women crave alpha cock to get the best genes.

    A betaman that becomes alphaman by learning and applying “game” does not suddenly have the best genes.

    Women respond with their emotions first when it comes to degree of attraction to males.

    Alphas provide emotional content and context that gets them laid.

    A provider is another example of emotional context and content, hence the beta label.

    Alpha/beta labels are only mutually exclusive if its the decision each man makes to make it so.

    It seems women’s ideal would be an alphabetamale hybrid.

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  45. on April 30, 2011 at 8:07 am Kyo

    I often wonder why these surveys give the average number of partners rather than the median.

    Imagine a population of 10 men and 10 women. Two of the guys are studs that all the women want and the other eight are ignored. All ten women enjoy the two studs and none of the other guys get any at all.

    This results in a population where the “average” man has had two partners, and so has the average woman. Unfortunately the median number of partners for a man is zero, while for a woman it’s still two.

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  46. on April 30, 2011 at 12:41 pm Thwack

    Serenety

    “A betaman that becomes alphaman by learning and applying “game” does not suddenly have the best genes.”

    BOOM!

    there it is.

    I bet some guys only found out they were alpha from reading this blog. Now that the concept (word) is out there, Will females try to come up with a tool to distinguish between natural alphas and “synthetic” alphas?

    Have they already done this?

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  47. on April 30, 2011 at 1:03 pm Rum

    Twack

    When a fattie goes to the gym and comes out looking like Megan Fox will guys try to analyze her genome before wanting to fuck her? silly question.
    The instinct for males and females is to enjoy fucking – the right sort. Instincts are what they are. They are not deeply analytical.

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  48. on April 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm Nicole

    As a non hottie who’s been here for awhile, this blog has actually made me more appreciative of guys who are trying to help themselves.

    I’ve met a couple of PUA’s as the target. Both were reading Mystery. It couldn’t go but so far, but I did give them positive feedback.

    The first time I encountered it, I was pleasantly surprised that Game has reached Israel. I don’t think it matters to a woman if a guy is a natural or not. If it does, then it matters only as much as natural or silicone boobs do to guys.

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  49. on April 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm Ed The Department Head

    Jacelyn Friedman is David Frum in drag!
    http://www.jaclynfriedman.com/
    http://www.frumforum.com/davidfrum

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  50. on April 30, 2011 at 3:09 pm thesecond

    Editor: Society may be more accepting of sex talk, but we don’t know for sure if women lied just as much on past sex surveys. It’s possible women are lying more today because they have compartmentalized certain sexual acts as being nonsexual in nature.

    Ah yeah. It’d be very interested to see how people’s definition of sex has changed. Oral, anal, handjob, vaginal with someone you don’t love, are they sex?

    @Thwack I bet some guys only found out they were alpha from reading this blog. Now that the concept (word) is out there, Will females try to come up with a tool to distinguish between natural alphas and “synthetic” alphas?

    Women have evolutionary reasons to seek out alphas. Evolution takes millenia, or tens or hundreds of millenia. What tickles a woman’s parts isn’t gonna change any time soon, even if there is a strong evolutionary push for women to develop better tools to detect deception.

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  51. on April 30, 2011 at 3:16 pm sabril

    You cannot rely on self-reporting for a lot of stuff. Perhaps the best example is the study which purports to show that blacks are more likely to engage in altruism than whites. GMAB.

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  52. on April 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm Thwack

    on April 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm Nicole
    “I don’t think it matters to a woman if a guy is a natural or not. If it does, then it matters only as much as natural or silicone boobs do to guys.”

    If two females are roughly equal naturals trump fakes; unless the fakes were very well done and the woman didnt try to go from a “B” to a “D” or some nonsense like that where you can fit a bowling pin between her tits without touching either one; you know the ones that look like cantalope halves bolted/tack welded to their chests?

    Ginormous headlight gravity defying titties look tranny to me.

    Just my opinion

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  53. on April 30, 2011 at 4:02 pm Thwack

    on April 30, 2011 at 3:09 pm thesecond

    “Women have evolutionary reasons to seek out alphas. Evolution takes millenia, or tens or hundreds of millenia. What tickles a woman’s parts isn’t gonna change any time soon, even if there is a strong evolutionary push for women to develop better tools to detect deception.”

    Hmmm, now ya’ll got me thinkin. Is the point NOT to look for logic in whata female considers alpha? What is more important from an evolutionary aspect; thats a woman THINKS she’s getting and alpha, or that she IS getting an alpha?

    For example, I like Ringo Starr, he’s a good reliable economical drummer, but he ain’t alpha. Yet, Yet, Im sure he got the same “10s” John and Paul got just by being a Beatle.

    Same thing as sitting at Rick James table; nerdy as you wanna be but you be leavin there with a 10.

    Perception is everything.

    At least until its time to fight.

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  54. on April 30, 2011 at 4:52 pm thesecond

    @Thwack Hmmm, now ya’ll got me thinkin. Is the point NOT to look for logic in whata female considers alpha? What is more important from an evolutionary aspect; thats a woman THINKS she’s getting and alpha, or that she IS getting an alpha?

    In the long run you’ll have a disadvantage over a genetic alpha. I’ve found that in long term relationships I tend to slip up more. Love does that. But you’ll have a huge advantage over other betas, and will have more babies.

    There’s no guarantee that your children will have such success with women, however. You may not teach them, or they may not want to learn. A woman is better off picking someone who’s genetically alpha in the long run.

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  55. on April 30, 2011 at 6:32 pm Serenety

    If, evolution does anything it seems to be that it forces betamen to become alphamen, that seems to be the evidence based on womens selection mechanism, maybe we should be thanking them.

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  56. on May 1, 2011 at 4:50 am Rosa

    In Christianity any sexual contact is a sign that the person isn’t chaste or a virgin. No Christian I know believes in “technical virginity”, it’s either all (non-virgin) or nothing (virgin).

    I’m a virgin, my sister is a virgin and my mother was a virgin she married my father. None of us are lying but gosh you won’t believe it of course.

    http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/game-only-used-to-be-feminist-sure/

    I’m seeing here the liberal tactic of accusing conservatives of being hypocrites.

    This man is right MRA’s and feminists are the same —> http://cygne-gris.blogspot.com/2011/04/women-are-not-problem.html

    A dog who has been beaten too much will naturally assume that every single person out there is a dog beater. I guess this gets worse when we have wolves in sheep’s clothing (people who pretend to be good but are deep down corrupt).

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  57. on May 1, 2011 at 5:12 am Linkage is Good for You: Close-Up Edition

    […] Chateau – “How Not to Spend a Ton of Money on Your Girlfriend or Wife“, “Women Are More Comfortable Sharing a Lover“, “It’s Easier Picking Up Foreign Girls in Your Home Country“, “Leave Her Place More Often Than She Leaves Yours“, “Prince William: Beta Chump“, “Why GSS Sex Questions Should Be Taken with a Flat of Salt” […]

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  58. on May 1, 2011 at 8:11 am Thwack

    on April 30, 2011 at 6:32 pm Serenety
    “If, evolution does anything it seems to be that it forces betamen to become alphamen, that seems to be the evidence based on womens selection mechanism, maybe we should be thanking them.”

    Are you sure men are evolving? Seems to me the study of “game” is all about men trying to understand and get back to they natural self?

    Devo was prophetic when they made “Mongoloid”:

    AND HE WORE A HAT
    AND HE HAD A JOB
    AND HE BROUGHT HOME THE BACON
    SO THAT NO ONE KNEW
    MONGOLOID, MONGOLOID
    HIS FRIENDS WERE UNAWARE
    MONGOLOID, MONGOLOID
    NOBODY EVEN CARED

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  59. on May 1, 2011 at 10:09 am Jonathan Manor

    Agreed!

    I think Dave Chappelle said the exact same thing. The worse person to ask what a woman wants, is a woman. It’s true, it doesn’t make sense. Women haven’t been truthfully observing themselves in the mirror 24 7, nor do men, although men don’t have much to feel ashamed of as much as women.

    I got into this little altercation online when I was trying to point out my opinion online about how to approach a woman. Of course another woman said, “Are you saying that I don’t know how I would like to be approach?”

    Not to be lame, but, “No shit Sherlocke!”

    Horney is a very complicated emotion.

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  60. on May 1, 2011 at 1:16 pm Jake Seliger

    Part of this might be applying different standards to different people, as discussed in “Sex for You, But Not for Me: Discontinuity in Undergraduate Emerging Adults’ Definitions of ‘Having Sex.’”

    Or, for another, see “Truth and Consequences: Using the Bogus Pipeline to Examine Sex Differences in Self-Reported Sexuality,” which says:

    “Men report more permissive sexual attitudes and behavior than do women. This experiment tested whether these differences might result from false accommodation to gender norms (distorted reporting consistent with gender stereotypes). Participants completed questionnaires under three conditions. Sex differences in self-reported sexual behavior were negligible in a bogus pipeline condition in which participants believed lying could be detected [meaning that “participants are attached to a non-functioning polygraph and are led to believe that dishonest answers given during an interview or on a survey can be detected by the machine” (28)], moderate in an anonymous condition [where participants don’t believe their answers will be revealed at all], and greatest in an exposure threat condition in which the experimenter could potentially view participants’ responses. This pattern was clearest for behaviors considered less acceptable for women than men (e.g., masturbation, exposure to hardcore & softcore erotica). Results suggest that some sex differences in self-reported sexual behavior reflect responses influenced by normative expectations for men and women” {Alexander and Fisher@27}.

    In other words, women who think an experimenter will see their responses lie the most about sex; the double standard is strong here. Girls probably feel this effect too—hence the use of the word “slut” all over the place.”

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  61. on May 2, 2011 at 8:27 am Stephen

    Or maybe you should all draw weaker conclusions if you are only considering mean values to determine the nature of a distribution. Maths fail.

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  62. on May 2, 2011 at 11:24 am Baumeister

    CH really needs to visit a red state sometime. The external “values’ stuff is a facade.

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  63. on May 2, 2011 at 8:08 pm Gorbachev

    You need to know how to ask women. They’ll tell you.

    On the right circumstances.

    And read between the lines.

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