Testosterone is the life blood of game. If you have low testosterone, your game will wither like parched fescue under a blazing August sun. High testosterone, and your game shines like a supernova. The formula is simple:
More testosterone = more approaches.
And more approaches means improved game and sex with more desirable women.
Your goal as a man, then, is to keep your testosterone level as naturally high as possible.* This post will show you some ways to do that.
I. Lift heavy weights using compound exercises like the squat, deadlift, and bench press
The science is out and the verdict is in: Steady and consistent weightlifting raises baseline testosterone.
One study of nine elite weight lifter over a two year period showed significant increases in testosterone, leutenizing hormone and the ratio of testosterone to SHBG. [2] The authors concluded that “the present results suggest that prolonged intensive strength training in elite athletes may influence the pituitary and possibly hypothalamic levels, leading to increased serum levels of testosterone”.
There’s a short term boost in T right after a lifting session, and there’s a long term boost in basal T after years of lifting. You should incorporate weightlifting into your life like you do brushing your teeth. Don’t lift every day, though. Overtraining can lower your testosterone.
II. Eat cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and Brussels sprouts
These vegetables have a phytochemical called indole-3-carbinol which is known to lower estrogen and increase testosterone in men. (It appears to not increase testosterone in women.)
III. Whey protein
You should be drinking a glass of this every day with whole milk.
IV. Don’t sit so much
Sitting for long periods of time may lower your testosterone (and does a bunch of other bad stuff to your body). Elevate your work station and begin standing while working through the day. While I couldn’t find a study that directly references the effect that sitting has on testosterone, the studies about sitting that are available conclude that there are so many deleterious effects on the body from prolonged sitting that it is natural to presume healthy testosterone levels would be negatively affected as well.
V. Go to bed at a reasonable hour
Testosterone plummets when you get fewer than 6 hours of sleep, or you go to sleep late at night, disrupting your circadian rhythm. Get 6-8 hours of sleep each night. Fewer than six hours or more than eight hours is associated with increased mortality. You may want to take melatonin pills to help you fall asleep.
VI. Cut back on the beer
Multiple studies have found that binge drinking cuts T levels. Beer is particularly bad on your testosterone levels.
8-Prenylnaringenin (8-PN) in hops is such a potent phytoestrogen that it has been reproted to reduce menopausal hot flashes! [1] This study points out that some women who pick hops by hand have menstrual disturbances (from the estrogens) and used it to reduce the skin temperative in rats, i.e. anti-hot-flash. Furthermore, other researchers expressed concern about the unrestricted concern about the unrestricted use of hops in herbal preparations for women because of 8-PN’s “very high estrogen activity”. [2]
This might explain the famed beer gut on heavy beer drinkers; all that estrogen production is working to deposit fat in their middles, [Ahnold voice] like zee girly vimmin mit child!
VII. Eat nuts
Selenium from nuts is good for testosterone production.
VIII. Take fish oil and vitamin D supplements
Omega 3s and vitamin D raise testosterone levels.
IX. Take an NAC supplement (N-acetyl-cysteine)
Up goes your T!, in combo with selenium, at least.
X. Stop running marathons
Extreme endurance exercise lowers testosterone:
The results of the retrospective comparative studies examining isolated, single blood samples suggest lower testosterone levels in chronically endurance-trained males. The subjects in these studies have typically been distance runners who had been involved with the physical training aspects of their sport for 1 to 15 years. In these studies, testosterone levels of the endurance-trained men were found to be 60-85% of the levels of matched, untrained men.
Now you know why SWPL marathon runners look like pasty nancyboys.
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Testosterone is the enemy of dullness. It is the enemy of marriage and kids. It is the enemy of government, of society, of behaving like a good little poodlecog in the machine. It is the enemy of stasis and soul death.
Testosterone is the fuel of vitality. Of life. When you act to keep it high, you are giving a giant middle finger to all those who would like you to sit down, shut up and follow orders like an obedient bootlicker. There’s a reason betas look so soft — it’s no coincidence that they are likely suffering from low testosterone.
*Steroids is the best way to artificially raise your testosterone, but that subject requires a separate post to explore fully. I’m not an anti-drug crusader. I have no problem with men who want to use steroids to get jacked, or to reverse the decline in testosterone with age. In fact, I believe certain classes of steroids — like deca-durabolin — should be made legal for non-medical consumption. Steroids are like any other drug: smart people can use them without abusing them, to great personal benefit. Stupid people tend to consume drugs immoderately, giving the whole enterprise a bad name.
Your brain on high testosterone:

Your brain on low testosterone:

Any questions?

what about steak?
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that graphic looks like a jersey shore fist pump.
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This is practical advice without the snidery.
From whence comes it?
I think CR is getting all soft and chewy in his old age.
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http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/atomic_dog_bad_boys_bad_boys_whatcha_gonna_do
I thought the chateau might appreciate this, a fine example of synthetic test-ethanate and tranformation from omega to beta to alpha and finally to murderer by killing himself and model girlfriend…..
The combinaton of machiavellian personality traits and quadroupled levels of test dont make an affable person.
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Steroid abuse is a very bad idea, unless you want your gonads to shrivel, and to acquire a set of mammary glands, combined with a psychotic personality.
Those are just three of the side effects of anabolic steroids.
The ten tips here are pretty good though.
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Also, excessive masturbation has shown to decrease testosterone as well.
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Did someone just read Robb Wolf’s new book?
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Also, make sure you spend at least 2 hours a day planning out vitamin influx supplements and charting the hours you’ve allocated for your sleep schedule. Girls love that shit.
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what about HGH?
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good advice.
ive only been lifting for a short time, but by combining 1, 2, 3 and reducing 10 i’ve noticed hair growing in places it wasn’t before, and i think my voice got deeper.
oh and thanks for drawing a picture of my cock in pic #1. you forgot the halo above it and the red-tinted lips sucking on the nuts. now that i’m that dude who gets random abdominal pettings and all…
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Great advice…one should also avoid low-fat diets.
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Awesome info. I can proudly say most of these things are a part of my life. I set up a standing work station 3 weeks ago and am on an intermittent fasting/paleo regimen with compound exercises every other day. Will need to look into Vitamin D and NAC supplements though.
Two more testosterone boosters:
Get rid of excess body fat. Fat converts testosterone to estrogen.
And most importantly.
Don’t masturbate more than once a week. This is a huge one.
Effects of Male Masturbation on Attracting Women
T levels peak on the 7th day of not jerking it. When I try this, I feel very alive and full of energy. I am in a much better, sometimes euphoric mode and am must more proactive.
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*mood, not mode
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re: running marathons. if that is true, which i suspect it might be, don’t you think it has the adverse effect on women? i knew competitive female runners who stopped having their period altogether because of the intensity of their training.
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One of the best things about Game is that you DON’T have to spend your precious time lifting weights.
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To supplement the lifting thing, there was this article that highlights the need to focus on big muscle groups.
I wonder if there’s a thing as being too muscular or big.
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A big amen to this post. a couple of addendums…
The best whey protein is from grass fed cows free of pesticides and processing. I recommend the whey proteins powders found at mercola.com or Essential Whey of Evolution Essentials. I also recommend drinking raw whole milk, not pasteurized. When I use a hand mixer with these two ingredients I get a delicious shake with no sugar that builds muscle and provides energy and nutrients.
A lot of fish are contaminated with mercury and fish oil tends to spoil quickly. I recommend going for krill oil for your Omega 3 and look around for a high quality krill oil supplement. Krill have such short lives they don’t have time to build up heavy metals in their system.
A study on older longtime marathon runners found they have damaged hearts. They are in shape for long distance running but our hearts cannot handle it. You want to get in shape, short sprints, not marathons. It will build muscle, look at Olympic marathon runners.
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Literally loll’ed at the visual aids.
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Oops i meant look at Olympic sprinters, they are ripped.
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Nice post.
Base level stuff that should be a part of every young man’s curriculum in school.
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I agree with everything (though I don’t have personal experience with 8 & 9) except the part that says only stupid people abuse drugs. That’s a false statement and potentially dangerous. If you think you are highly obsessive and compulsive, I’d strongly recommend staying away from steroids.
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“Lift heavy weights using compound exercises like the squat, deadlift, and bench press”
Whaaaat, no trithep kickbackths?
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I am allergic to whey protein, so I can’t take that.
But what several others have remarked upon, don’t ejaculate. You can feel sexual pleasure along the upslope of an S-curve, but when you ejaculate you blow your S-curve and crash. It’s like blowing a circuit. Your body has to repair and rebuild from scratch. Sperm takes a lot of biological resources to manufacture. Retain your sperm and your T will get high and remain high. You can feel sexual satisfaction, along the curve, without emptying yourself. Its a management issue. I think women can pick up when a man has balls swollen with sperm, too. He gives off chemical signals or something
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Lots of stupid comments, as usual.
RedEmperor is a retard. Steroid “abuse” is a misnomer, but a person using steroids will use HCG to avoid test shrinkage, and PCT to avoid gyno, and psycho/roid rage is a myth.
Delusion Damage has a good blog, but is peddling the usual “Looks don’t matter if you have game” myth.
Unlike the PUA fan boys, I lived in L.A., and spent plenty of time in Hollywood. I’ve seen the PUA’s at the clubs. Game won’t get a fat or skinny guy 8’s. It can allow a dorky 5 to pull a 6 or 7. Which is good, but is that really your goal…to pull a 7?
Why be a pencil-necked 5 if you can build yourself up to a 7 by having a body? Then, with game, you’ll pull 7’s without any effort, and you’ll pull 8’s and 9’s since game will give you the +2 boost.
There’s a reason PUA’s rarely post pics of the girls they are with. Lots of talk by anonymous players. But never any pics.
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What’s better than random pseudoscientific theories that could be easily supported by evidence, but aren’t? Those same theories PLUS kindergarten-quality dick drawings!
[Editor: You’re here reading.
ps Did you even bother clicking on the supporting links? No, of course you didn’t. You just wanted to bitch like a little girlyman with a buttplug inserted at an uncomfortable angle.]
Seriously, it wouldn’t be that hard to compare testosterone levels with number of sexual partners (though that’d be reported number of sexual partners, so it might be useless).
[Are you dense? The post isn’t about testosterone and number of partners. It’s about the connection between motivation to approach and meet women and testosterone. Since you are a thing of very little T, you wouldn’t know what it’s like to feel high T coursing through your body and the psychological effects it has on you.]
Or see if women are attracted to men with more or less testosterone. Oh, and maybe control for physiology. If testosterone is attractive because dudes with it are in shape, then raising it is pretty useless.
[You seem confused. Testosterone is a key pathway for building muscle. More muscle on the average schlub makes him more physically attractive to the opposite sex.]
It’s like if women are attracted to men who wear big shirts because they also tend to be taller – buying a huge-ass shirt isn’t going to get you any.
[High T is responsible for altering a man’s psychological state as well as his physique.]
It’s just way too easy to think – Testosterone is MAN-stuff. The more you have, the more MAN you are. Not *quite* how reality works, I’m afraid.
[So, tell us, what’s it like going through life a low T creampuff?]
That said, the diet and exercise advice is probably sound irrespective of the testosterone issue.
[Admit it, you popped wood to those saucy jpegs.]
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I’ll admit, after some online research, I have considered trying a cycle or two of roids as I get closer to 40.
I work most of the other things on the list into my daily life, but it only takes you so far as you age.
Proper post-cycle hormone therapy can mitigate most or all of the negative effects of steroids, or so they claim.
I am trying the gnarly, heavy, squats deads and benches for another few moths before I throw in the towel on going natural.
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Been using testosterone for years now.
It ruined my marriage and yet save my life.
I keep my levels rather high, not too far out of the physiologic range, but about the level of a healthy waking 18 year old.
I would not suggest the use of Deca-Durabolin, if you are interested in having sex with lots of women. As it is a 19-nor based steroid, and well, can kill libido as it raises prolactin, which lowers dopamine. If someone is going to take deca (nandrolone), they would NEED to take testosterone with it, as well as keep track or their estradiol levels, and likely would need to take arimidex (anastrozole) with it to lower the conversion of AAS in their blood into the libido killing hormone.
Keep in mind you don’t want Estradiol too low either, otherwise it will ALSO kill your libido. The best levels to be there is roughly 20-35 pg/ml on most lab ranges.
Testosterone and Free testosterone should be at the upper 1/3rd or higher of most ranges.
With those levels being correct you will be slinging cock and running game easily.
There is also strong evidence that high levels of testosterone keep you producing higher levels of pheremones.
Its like chemical warfare game.
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An excellent post. I just talked about improving your body over at Obsidian’s blog:
I went from 165 lbs to 210 lbs of rush-the-quarterback-and-rip-his-head-off-muscle in under two years. Right now I’m around 200 (at 6’1 height). With compound exercises, limited isolation work, a good diet, and interval training (to cut the fat) any guy can do it.
It’s worth the effort, same as Game.
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@ Mike
“myth”?
“I’ve seen the PUA’s at the clubs. Game won’t get a fat or skinny guy 8′s”?
I’d like to remind you that the ur-PUA himself, “Mystery”, could hide behind a lamppost if he turned sideways, and I believe his exploits with the hottest possible girls have been sufficiently documented to make a compelling case for the “Delusion Damage has a good blog and is peddling truth” camp.
[Editor: I agree. If you *had* to choose between learning game or lifting weights, choose game. It’ll get you farther, all else equal. But why restrict yourself like that? Game + weightlifting > game or weightlifting alone.]
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Actually, the biggest cause of the beer gut is probably the wheat germ agglutinin in the barley and wheat.
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Why is it that everything fun screws your life over? First I had to knock out sugar and beer to lose weight, and now I can’t whack it?
Ah well, my left forearm was getting noticeably more toned than my right anyways…
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A few others:
– have physical contact with women. Feel their scent and touch. Easy if you have a wife or girlfriend, but if you’re in a dry spell, go to full-contact lap dance clubs if they’re legal in your area
– walk upright, don’t slouch, don’t automatically drop your gaze when making random eye contact with other men.
– avoid listening to beta music. This includes all manner of wistful, mewling, pedestalizing, self-deprecating love songs
– watch less than one hour of TV per week. Minimize your time in front of the computer or video game screen.
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@ Editor
“why restrict yourself like that?”
because fuck spending two hours a day patronizing a gym. There are better things to do with one’s time, and there are more productive/enjoyable ways to maintain one’s health, e.g. martial arts, horizontal mambo, four legged frolic, hopping upon the wild pony, hiking in the mountains, sailing the south seas, etc.
[Editor: Two hours a day in the gym is not only not necessary, but counterproductive. You only need two or three 45 minute sessions per week to see real growth and the concomitant T boost. The rest of the stuff you listed is great as well.]
I lifted weights for a year as a teenager, 2-3 days a week, religiously, and I’m not saying it’s bad in any way, but I like to maximize the payoff of my time and effort on all fronts.
[Even ten minutes of lifting per week is better than no lifting.]
Game + spending your time doing something enjoyable > game + weightlifting
If the activity of weightlifting itself brings you personal fulfillment then do it, but let’s not act like it’s an efficient investment in your SMV.
[I didn’t say it was the most efficient investment into SMV. Game takes that honor. But it is a worthwhile investment.]
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Diets high in saturated fat and fiber raise T as well.
Supposedly soy lowers T, so avoid that.
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“I went from 165 lbs to 210 lbs of rush-the-quarterback-and-rip-his-head-off-muscle in under two years. Right now I’m around 200 (at 6’1 height). With compound exercises, limited isolation work, a good diet, and interval training (to cut the fat) any guy can do it.”
agree i weighed 170 two years ago when i started lifting and now am 200. i am 6’3″
“Game + weightlifting > game or weightlifting alone.”
discovered game also about two years ago. game helped and helps but a better physique has taken me far on its own. the combination is deadly
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PA:
“- walk upright, don’t slouch, don’t automatically drop your gaze when making random eye contact with other men.”
This^.
Alpha pack animals eat the same diets and get the same exercise as beta pack animals but have more T.
The difference between them? Posturing.
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I’m pretty sure Roissy is Batman.
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Good advice. Didn’t know brains looked like dicks though.
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Criss Angel gets a lot of play, too, and he’s not running game. Instead, like most performers, he gets laid based on his status as a performer qua performer.
Mystery is 6’3″, was a magician and trained performer. You’re not Mystery. The guys reading this site aren’t Mystery. You’re average to above average guys. Thus the issue is what game can do for you.
The guy who is 5’8″, 150 pounds skinny-fat, is not pulling 8’s and 9’s. This is a fact. Again, this is based on my personal observation in Hollywood and Vegas clubs – not based on marketing ad copy from a “PUA.”
I’ve seen the “boot camp” guys at the clubs. They get skunked at the highest levels. When they get girls, they are getting 6’s and 7’s – which is winning the lottery for them, sure, and nothing to snub.
Yes, game can get you better girls. Yet the quality of girls you get is always going to be measured by your baseline looks.
Take a guy with a normal build and no hideous face. He’s going to be a high-5 or a low-6. With game he’ll pull 7’s. Good.
Now give that same guy a hot body. He’ll not be a high-6 or a low-7. Now he’s going to pull 8’s and an occasional 9.
Game is good, but game alone will not get guys the highest caliber of women. Anyone who says otherwise is selling books or entering into affiliate agreements with those selling books.
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@ Editor
One of the hours is to get there, get changed, shower, get home, etcetera. 45 mins of lifting and say 15 of downtime = 2h. If you live next to the gym, less, but the point remains. I did in fact only go 2-3x/week as I said, but allow a man his rhetorical liberties.
Ten minutes of lifting is 70 minutes spent counting that you must actually find yourself in the gym properly equipped to train before you can start your ten. The effort/payoff ratio feels like nails on a chalkboard.
A worthwhile investment in SMV? Explain to me how it’s worthwhile when you could spend that same amount of time working instead on your… what’s it called… Game?
Now, I’m not a fat slob, if I were, doing something about that might be “worthwhile” because there comes a point, I’ll grant you, where an overly blubberous appearance can salt your game, but what I’d be looking at, a boost from martial arts body to gym body, is of questionable value.
{Editor: If you’re that pressed for time then find a gym within walking distance of where you live or work. Or buy a barbell and some weights and a bench and make a home gym. Even a simple pull-up bar can partially substitute for a gym workout. There’s a park near me that has a pull-up bar. When I can’t make it to the gym I strap on a belt, take a couple of weights with me, and run down to the park to do a few sets of chin-ups and pull-ups.]
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Stop masturbating too
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Hold on Mike, the “boot camp guys”? They are there because they DON’T have Game, they are there TO LEARN. Are you gonna judge the limits of what Karate can do by Daniel or Mr. Miyagi?
“You’re not Mystery”
[citation needed]
I’ll grant you that skinny-fat is bad but I’d say that’s got a lot to do with what it says about your self-discipline and attitude to life. Lean with low fat, though, is fine.
“give that same guy a hot body he’ll be a…”
No, he won’t be. Women don’t work like that. What a hot body gets you is a ten-second window, if you don’t have Game you are toast after two sentences. If you have Game, you make your own window.
“Anyone who says otherwise is selling books”
Objection! My book isn’t out yet, I’m still editing.
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Women like dominant males, so muscles good, fat bad.
Women often say they look more at the whole package, but this is hamster talk. Women start by looking at the whole, but they are definitely interested in the details. That is why they love beefcake, but secretly.
The truth:
1. Women love it when you have your way with them physically.
2. Women love it when you talk suggestively to them while running amused conversation.
Both of these things are connected directly to a woman’s vaj.
Moral: get fit, pump iron, have fun, build T, and rule them with amused mastery. They will bang you senseless.
I’m on the trailing edge now, but this is how it was, all the way back to the feudal period when the ideal man was both a killer on the battlefield and a poet in the castle corridors. Combine both, and the playing field is yours.
I’ve been reading about the effect of caffeine on T production. The research is interesting but inconclusive.
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@ Delusion Damage
Just do one set of deadlifts to failure once a week if your time is soo precious, throw in a set of rows if you feel lavish. You don’t have to do three sets of dumbell curls to get a workout.
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Going to the gym doesn’t just make your appearance better, you’re also going to get stronger. From personal experience this can be a valuable confidence boost. Walking around feeling like you could rip up trees is a great feeling. Even if you’re still weak as shit, as long you’re stronger than you used to be it helps.
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“The guy who is 5’8″, 150 pounds skinny-fat, is not pulling 8′s and 9′s. This is a fact.”
Unless you’re in college. Girls are just looking to hook up. You don’t even have to wear a condom anymore.
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It’s no surprise that Delusion Damage is a “martial artist.” This discussion reminds me of a common one in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
“Technique beats power” is the mantra, and it’s true. If you take a muscular guy with no training, he will lose to a weaker guy with training.
What happens when you show a muscle head or power lifter Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Now the guy has technique and power. He wins every time. Technique + power > Technique only.
Yet the debate continues, although it’s a silly debate to have given that you need only observe to know the truth. If it were true that “technique beats power,” why even have weight classes?
Give me a guy with a hot body, and a little game will make him dangerous. In fact, that describes my guy friends. They are very good looking, muscular guys who just got out of lengthy relationships. They had looks but no real game.
It took about 2 to 3 months of giving them a few tips, having them read Roissy, and they are pulling 8’s on the regular. I guarantee they are pulling hotter women than the “PUA’s” selling DVD’s. Indeed, unlike those selling instructional videos, my friends have their pictures all over the Internet on Napkin Nights, etc., since they are at the hottest clubs with the hottest women.
Anyhow, Delusion Damage: Good luck selling your books, and getting affiliate kickbacks from the “life blueprint” DVD’s.
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Good article.
But roids should be the last thing you do to increase your T.
And even then you better know what you are doing.
Like McDonalds food, a lot of it is not what you think it is.
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@ Editor
Life is short, we’re all pressed for time.
Now, for the sake of theoretical argument, I can do calisthenics in an empty hotel room with no equipment, but the question remains –
Explain to me how it’s worthwhile when you could spend that same amount of time working instead on your… what’s it called… Game?
I actually liked lifting, I sometimes miss the feeling after a good session, but I didn’t become the man I am by settling for an activity that gives me one benefit when I could do something that gives me five benefits instead.
It’s not that there isn’t time, it’s just that when there’s a more effective way to spend that time, why would you restrict yourself?
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VI
I read a study saying that alcohol indeed lowers testosterone levels but when it’s associated with tobacco the opposite effect occurs.
http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/1/19.abstract
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Awesome, lots of BS out there about raising test, this is handy.
“more than eight hours is associated with increased mortality.”
These are the same flawed studies that say eating red meat is bad. If lots of the people sleeping >8 hour are obese slobs, then the study will have your conclusion. Especially if you’re lifting heavy, 9-10 hours of sleep is healthful. Feel it out.
Roissy, you’ve said before there is such a thing as being “too big.” Absent steroid use and given typical genetics, I call bull. I hear girls *saying* they don’t like big guys. And we all know what girls say is worthless. I see a ton of huge dudes with hot girls. When you say big to a girl, she imagines a through and through meathead – she doesn’t imagine her type with big muscles. She’ll invoke her doughy provider type, not the fierce lover (cf. studies citing women prefer soft looking guys for relationships).
Besides, a chick you already have is not going to groom you for the competition.
Look up Steve Reeves – I doubt that he’d look hotter smaller. Looking like Hercules with the character to match can’t hurt. Or even this dude – http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2009/10/best-pictures-ever/ 6’8″ 275. If your body fat is low, and you’re not absurdly stocky or short, and not doing steroids, you will never have to worry about being too big. There aren’t many guys with Reg Park genetics walking around.
Same for height – being 6’5″ and well-proportioned doesn’t seem any worse than 6’1.”
[Editor: I’ve seen too many flabby, spindle-armed hipsters with cute girls to believe that muscles are the secret to success with women. But I’ve also seen girls react positively when a guy with a good body walked in the room. And I’ve asked my many current and former lovers what body type they prefer, and all of them seem to gravitate to liking best the lean, toned, and well-muscled, but not bulging muscled look. Now some women do prefer the big meathead look as we can see by the hot babes that some of these giant dudes at the gym manage to pull, but you have to keep in mind that there aren’t many of those kinds of men around, so the pool of women available to them who like their overmuscled look is relatively large.
Bottom line: Most men are not in very good shape. Modern living conspires against being at ideal weight and musculature. The average man will do himself a world of good by simply hitting the deadlift bar and the squat rack a couple of times per week.]
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I’m interested in your take on ‘roids. I’ve always felt they were bad, full stop. But if you suggest they are ok in moderation, then I am listening…
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Careful with the recommendation of NAC (N-acetyl-cystine)
I don’t have any studies but I’ve personally encountered (as well as many of my cohorts on a secret science blog – sorry) that NAC can steal your thunder, so to speak…
…I had some erectile problems on NAC and so did others.
Dropped the NAC, turned back into Zeus.
[Editor: That’s interesting. All the studies on NAC I’ve read have concluded it’s good for the plumbing.]
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You gym whiners, feh.
I get up at 5:30 am every day, drink a big glass of water, and put in thirty to forty minutes. One day is cardio/abs, next day is weights. Weights = a bench, squats, and dumbbells. It feels great, which makes it fun. It’s inexpensive and easy. Afterwards, more water and a shower, probably some eggs fiber and fruit, and then water/fruit/nuts throughout the day. For calories I eat a paleo diet and keep the portion size down. I cheat on diet when I want to, within reason. Result: at 5’11” I’m 170 and chiseled. No problems.
Just do it. Thank us later.
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Basil
“Besides, a chick you already have is not going to groom you for the competition.”
True, and a chick you already have will, seeing your increased physical attractiveness, start to get nervous. Result: she’s more likely to get busy herself.
Win/win.
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Delusion Damage must have been raped by an olympic bar.
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And, of course, Hot Chicks With Douchebags shows the silliness of Delusion’s marketing points.
Or did all those muscle heads use kino escalation after making an indirect approach – perhaps by asking the girls if they saw the fight outside, and then stacking their routines by reading palms?
LOL. Hit a Vegas pool party and then report back on how muscles work relative to game.
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Looking at the whey protein thing, guides say 1.0-1.5g/lb. body weight per day. I weigh 250#, that means a quarter pound of it daily? After multipliers for anything-that’s-not-protein in the supplement, that is a gigantic amount of stuff. That can’t be right. What am I missing here?
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@ Mike
I really wouldn’t like to get sidetracked now, but how familiar are you with BJJ or any martial art? When both guys have technique, speed beats strength. Bruce Lee kicked the shit out of everybody at 5 ft 9 in and what 130-140 lbs. Not to mention, when you get to a serious level, even the smallest body can throw a killer punch so extra muscle past that makes little difference.
“why even have weight classes? ”
because you are not allowed to throw a killer punch in contests. competing with rules designed to safeguard you from serious harm is a completely different animal.
Dude, none of your friends is pulling hotter women than Tyler (blueprint guy), I promise you that.
Absolutely no disrespect to Roissy, but reading a blog – anybody’s blog – will just not get you anywhere close to the level those guys selling DVDs are at. A blog is a blog, and Tyler’s blog is just as limited by its format as all others.
I’m sure you’re a reasonable guy and I feel like the reason we’re not seeing eye to eye here is that you’re thinking of relatively short-term results – two, three months of learning Game (or something else) – whereas I’m thinking long-term, mastery level, years and years. The game ain’t the same.
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Another points about muscles.
My guys are in their late 30’s and early 40’s. They have muscles. They are still pulling young women.
Most of you in your 20’s and 30’s have no idea what is going to happen to your bodies. Simply maintaining what little you have and not becoming a pile of blubber will be a day struggle.
If you want to be meeting the highest caliber women as late in life as possible, you’re going to need a body.
Here’s a picture that should cement the point:
Look at it. Do you notice how old his facial features are? Likely you notice his musculature. Well, so do women.
That cat is 40, and even without the status of being an actor, he’d be getting hot women in their 20’s. The same is true of Hugh Jackman.
Eventually you’re going to lose facial fat in your faces. You’re going to get wrinkles. You’re going to LOOK old.
Although aging is inevitable, lifting weights and having a body, you can extend your time in the game by 5-10 years.
Plus, as Roissy wrote in “Game for the Mature Player,” eventually the IOI’s will stop. Yet if you have muscles, you will still get IOI’s from women attracted to muscle.
Take the long view. Not only will game help younger guys: It will keep you in the game when you’re Brett Favre’s age.
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My grandfather used to keep those things you use to strengthen your hands in his car and he would use them at red lights.
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@ Don Gio
“Delusion Damage must have been raped by an olympic bar.”
Dude, don’t remind me. I still get the nightmares.
@ Mike
“Hot Chicks With Douchebags”
chicks dig assholes, ever heard that one? it’s not called “hot chicks with musclebags”, is it?
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Why steroids when you can get a nice T increase with legal substances like tongkat ali. The best I’ve tried is TKO Test from http://www.testosteroneprophet.com/ because it has a combo of other supplements that enhance T production.
As for other ways to increase T, I normally train to a complete failure 1 time a week, no jerking off and ejaculating only half the time I have sex with my girl, plus good sleep, meditation and diet help a lot.
I would also recommend any type of bone marrow washing practices (other then Mantak Chia’s stuff will do) or any chikung training at least half an hour a day.
You want a dick that is so hard your girlfriend will throw away her dildo? Just train to failure, take a tongkat ali extract, don’t ejaculate often, and rest, rest, rest. And stop playing video games 😉
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The bolded portion is key here. Well-muscled men (I’m not talking about bodybuilders, just guys who are built) would be more popular with women, except there are so few of them that most women have learned to get along without them. If women preferred them, they would have a much harder time finding men, so they content themselves with what’s around. Much the same way a guy who prefers brunettes but lives in a land of blondes learns to tailor his tastes to what’s on offer. It’s no different.
I’m telling you Game + muscles beats the guy with just Game 90 percent of the time. The guys saying differently are either keyboard jockeys who don’t spend any time navigating the actual sexual marketplace, or weak, feminized, lazy pussies who refuse to claim the masculinity and physical vitality that is their birthright.
A fuckin shame.
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I’m close to a college football training camp. The amount of protein those footballers eat daily (let alone the pros) is epic. Recruitment packages should be measured in terms of heads of cattle.
Lifting weights to failure, even dumbbells, requires anger. Imagine that the more you struggle with that iron, the more your brain says to your body, “more T! more T!” Production quotas rise commensurately.
There must be a link between aggression and creativiTy.
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Hi Guys, ok this may sound funny, but don’t make jokes please.
I am currently experiencing something rare, since about 5-6 months ago i started to note that my erections were not strong as before and this has been getting worse so i am starting to worry, specially because i am only 27 yo, has somebody experienced this?, i worry mainly because may this be a circulation problem? If the blood is not flowing to my penis very well, it may indicate something is wrong.
Any advice would be helpful.
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Only on the Internet would people debate whether muscles help you get girls. Why? Because here’s how the debate would go in real life:
Delusion Damage: Muscles don’t work.
Me: OK, let’s do some approaches. I’ll bet you a grand I get more numbers/make-outs/whatever you want to measure.
End. Of. Debate.
(I still like the cat’s blog, btw, and link to it. But everyone – including a guy whose blog’s premise is based on the damage delusions cause, has his own delusions.)
Have a good one, player.
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@ Delusion Damage
There are dozens of excuses not to work out. You should work out not only because it will help with game, but also because your body craves it. The human body has evolved in a way it requires intense exertion to stay healthy.
Mimic the lifestyle (more precisely the diet and activity levels) of our ancestors 10,000 ago.
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Mike
“Most of you in your 20′s and 30′s have no idea what is going to happen to your bodies. Simply maintaining what little you have and not becoming a pile of blubber will be a daily struggle.”
True. I’m 44 and can attest.
“Although aging is inevitable, lifting weights and having a body, you can extend your time in the game by 5-10 years.”
Also true. I work out in my own house and find it simple. You just have to exercise your will to develop the discipline to do it. The first two weeks are hell, then you start feeling good through weeks three and four. When you hit five, there’s a danger of drift and complacency, but if you buckle down, you’ll see steady gains. Weeks six to ten are big gain weeks, but your enthusiasm at seeing results will carry you. By eleven weeks on, you’ll feel too damn good to stop, and it’ll be a firm habit anyway.
And listen, if you’re beyond 40 and not a shlub, you are ahead of a majority of your male competition. Add game, and you are ahead of almost all of them.
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@ Strauss
Assuming you’re not trolling:
1) Stop watching porn.
2) Stop masturbating so much. Once weekly, tops.
3) Do PC exercises. Look ’em up.
Give that a month. If you mess up, go back to day 1. If this doesn’t work after a month, see your physician.
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All the lifting, diet, and exercise advice is dead on. Spread the good news, brother.
“I really wouldn’t like to get sidetracked now, but how familiar are you with BJJ or any martial art? When both guys have technique, speed beats strength. … when you get to a serious level, even the smallest body can throw a killer punch so extra muscle past that makes little difference.”
Clearly another person unfamiliar with full-on competitive fighting. A highly-ranked lightweight gets in the ring with merely decent heavyweight? The results are ugly, for the lightweight.
At middleweight range, with a lightweight’s speed, I was faster than middles and heavies. Heavies could still beat me down fairly easily unless I moved, moved, moved. The only time my bones got broken was by heavy-hitting big guys. The guys my size and below? Not nearly so difficult to deal with.
In actual hand to hand fighting, strength and size disadvantages are hard to overcome. Much of the point of things like BJJ and combat arts is to give a smaller guy a shot against a less/un-trained bigger guy.
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@ Delusional Damage quit trying to rationalize that weight training is a waste of time. It obviously isn’t. It boosts your health, confidence and gives you natural alpha tendencies that are congruent with game. Also I have gotten laid based on looks alone (and minor game); partially muscles but mostly from long hair. Hence looks DO matter.
As for your information about Bruce Lee is off.. Bruce Lee has been beaten before numerous times, mostly by guys so big and strong that he couldnt beat them. Doesnt take away from how badass he was. Why do Wrestlers dominate MMA? Answer is because they are physically more dominant in every area.
Long term results: physical training 3-7 hrs a week will do more for your health and game LONG TERM than you give credit for. Esp if your 45+ yrs old and in fantastic shape and live in a neighborhood full of divorced middle aged women….
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@ Mike
“in real life”
why don’t we just whip out our rulers and see whose is bigger?
But I agree, the proof is in the pudding and neither of us can convince the other. I travel a fair bit, maybe one day we’ll get to meet and run our experiment. In the interest of accuracy, I’m not saying muscles don’t work at all, as you misquoted me, I’m saying that they don’t work as well as an equal amount (in training time) of Game. Of course muscles are something of a plus, I never questioned that, they’re just not as big a plus as Game, and I don’t see that they’re worth my time.
I’m certainly not infallible and if you can prove me wrong on anything I’ve written, I view that as a favor – as I’ve stated on many occasions. Live and learn is my principle and that extends to the blog. If we do meet up and you somehow manage to out-muscle my game against my expectations, I’ll update the blog to reflect that. right now I’m going off what I’ve seen so far – just the best any of us can do.
as long as it’s the internet, we can only agree to disagree.
@ the truth
I exercise in other ways, see the thread.
Ancestors didn’t lift weights, actually my martial arts and hiking are a lot closer to what they did.
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“That cat is 40, and even without the status of being an actor, he’d be getting hot women in their 20′s. The same is true of Hugh Jackman.”
Those guys are both gay. I agree with you otherwise.
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Little-known secret (at least apparently on this website):
Trolls have troll, troll, trolls, trolls, etc. They have this thing called troll. They are also all trolls. You wouldn’t agree with the statement that all trolls want the same thing. Not all trolls want the same thing (and the vast majority don’t want anything to do with the type of trolls this troll and some of its trolls trollize).
Any troll like this that purports to tell you how to land that mythical “ultimate alpha troll” or whatever is trollshitting you by presenting the troll’s fantasies about the perfect one-night troll as if they were objective trolls rather than his own feverish trollerbatory trolls.
Stop worrying about reducing yourself to some economic troll based on (How much of a troll you are)*(how many trolls you’ve drunkenly stumbled into bed with).
You don’t NEED this trollery.
Sincerely,
Insane trolls
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@ jon bon van dame
Dude, dude, let’s cool down here. What I’m saying is that the major benefits of weight training can be more efficiently gotten from other things, game, martial arts, etc. Of course looks help somewhat but what I am saying is that other things you could spend that time on instead would help more.
Also, news at ten: MMA is not real fighting. Wrestlers dominate because their best moves aren’t banned. They take a few punches and then they get their opponent on the ground. No rules against a special forces / internal style fighter? They take a few punches, then they get organ failure.
Of course physical training is great, my objection is specifically to weightlifting, and that I favor martial arts over it.
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They’re available only by prescription, but you can buy synthetic testosterone patches now. They won’t do much for a guy in his 20s, but for guys in their 40s the means suggested in this article only go so far to combat age-related testosterone decline.
One thing I’m not clear on is exactly how testosterone and estrogen work in making, or preventing, fat. Is it the ratio of T/E, or the absolute values of each? Does raising T automatically lower E? Can you raise T but still retain fat because of elevated E? Are there ways to reduce E instead of, or in addition to, increasing T?
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Please, no more about Bruce Lee. 14 year olds talk about him, not grown men. You might as well be blathering about Chuck Norris.
Wrestlers don’t dominate MMA–guys comfortable with ground-based fighting styles, often Japanese-originated, do. (Also, sorry guys, but Brazilian JJ is like saying Japanese baseball. It is JJ…practiced in Brazil. Yeah, yeah, Gracie this, Gracie that. Spare me. Branding.) MMA rules favor certain techniques by wisely disallowing certain counters. If people may eye-gouge, bite, twist off ears, or slip a knife into your belly, then close-in fighting gets much less attractive, especially against big dudes.
And if you are rolling around outside a bar with someone, you should expect his friends to drive steel-toed boots into your head if you are out-wrestling a dude on the ground. Avoid the ground in real life, if you can. Great exercise, though. Nothing beats ground fighting as a workout. No lie. Not even climbing at 13,000 with skiis and a pack on my back is as tiring.
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I’d love to see a study that shows girls pictures of David and Hercules (i.e. the sculptures) type figures and see which one elicits more blood flow to the v.
As referenced earlier, chicks (and near everyone, really) don’t think in “all else equal” terms. People like what they’re good at. If a chick’s been blown off every time by muscleheads, she’ll probably hold them in contempt, until one shows interest, adeptly. Or the reverse; maybe every jacked guy she met was a conversational dud, so she abhors them.
Lay some game, and she’ll throw her beef against brawn to the wind. She’ll touch you affectionately, smiling, saying things like “I usually don’t go for guys like you, but…” The problem was never muscles, or playing WoW, or being an Insane Clown Posse fan*, it was all the things that she associated with it. By then, the muscles would reinforce how much she digs you, proof as they are of how you overcame her dumb preferences to like you. Sort of like the handicap principle, but not a handicap strictly speaking.
*On second thought, being a juggalo is probably unforgivable, under any circumstance.
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@Feh
Yep, 43 here and not a shlub. Some of my peers remind me that babies giggle when you poke em.
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High T levels will also effect the tone of your voice for the better. When you burn off fat it will make your face and especially your chin look more chiseled. Having good trap/shoulder muscles also helps.
With these bonuses you can place more emphasis on physical and direct game instead of long drawn out “routines”. Though that may have more to do with my experience of living here in the south.
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@ Wolfie
1g of protein per pound of body weight is the total recommended protein consumption, not just the whey. I weigh 270, so this is a ridiculous number. I get normally about 150-200g a day, with eggs and bacon in the am (20g), chicken breast in early afternoon (30g), a double-dose of whey protein shake blended into a smoothie with berries and oranges (50g) throughout the afternoon, coupled with some nuts here and there (about 10-20g), and a lean steak or pork chop at night (40-70g). Eat plenty of green veggies and you’ll be in good shape.
@Lotez
Seconded on the tongkat ali. Good stuff. I’ve also become fond of a GH booster called PowerFULL.
I work out every weekday for 1 hour. My job is sedentary, so I walk for twenty minutes, and then lift for 40 with a traditional split. On weekends I will do other workouts – I’ve tried yoga and pilates, both of which I’ve found to be beneficial for overall health, though I know CR will disagree. I also hike, climb, kayak, and swim to prevent boredom. This is the most beneficial to me; others will have different results and different wants/needs. That’s why there are different disciplines. Also, my gym is a bench and dumbbells that take up about 10 square feet of my home. No excuse to not work out.
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Telling a man not to get the best bod is like telling a woman to be a boring slut with a repulsive personality. Whilst Game matters most for the former and looks for the latter, neither will ever reach the true peak of their potential attractiveness.
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Do HIIT. Most people underestimate how much they’ll enjoy cardio. After 15 minutes of HIIT, you actually start enjoying it, and it’ll give you a better physique than steady state cardio.
Fuck lots of different girls, this raises T as well, as has already been discussed on this blog.
My 2c
game > status > looks
First work on game, then on status, then on looks. I’ve pulled girls from guys who are taller and better looking than me based on game and status.
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Strength training and fitness is another one of those areas where popular belief and guidance aren’t necessarily the best advice to follow.
High, 80% carb diets? No.
Staying away from fats at all costs, particularly saturated? No.
5 different bicep exercises followed by 150 crunches in lieu of a couple sets of squats and some pull ups? No.
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“I weigh 250#, that means a quarter pound of it daily?”
Since 1 kilo = 2.2 pounds, 250g is more than a half pound daily.
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beefcake is correct.
The second picture is your tool on deca. 19-nor’s are fellowed by a cabal of misfortunes. Somewhat like oxandrolone better favors nitrogen retention, protein synthesis, and fat loss without shadowing those postives with equally deleterious sides.
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[…] Roissy’s post on testosterone, the author of Delusion Damage shows up in the comments to rouse some rabble and […]
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Off-topic (or maybe not) but here’s an appropriate song upon bin Laden bitin’ the big one…
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I am in favor of just about every kind of work out, diet based form of self improvement. But never underestimate the role that auto suggestion plays when it comes to “how you feel” afterwards.
Use this knowledge to spend your money wisely.
I mean, if you can find an inexpensive placebo that works well for you, stick with it.
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Great post.
No gym membership required. Just some free weights at home. Time expended could be as little as 20 mins twice a week.
Bhetti’s comment is exactly right.
@Delusion Damage: Doesn’t matter if you don’t lift weights. Of course there are other ways of staying strong and lean.
Each to their own.
For the record though, Bruce Lee had amazing relative strength and did train with weights.
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I have a good buddy who works out all the time and is jacked as shit. He’s a good looking guy (no homo). But he has absolutely zero game and is fucking god awful with girls. But the bottom line is that he gets approached by loads of girls at the bars/clubs solely based on his looks and body. Weight lifting always > than not.
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Thanks, Douglos. Those are some numbers I can work with.
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I have to agree with those above. If you want to date younger women, staying in shape and having some muscle tone become more and more important as you get older. Hair and clothes start to matter more too. If you look like her dad, chances are she isn’t going to want to sleep with you. As the age difference increases the less effective game on its own will be. You don’t have to be super buff or look like a fashion plate, but you do need to step things up in this area.
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Good lord. Not lifting weights because you could be studying game instead? Give me a break.
Let’s just pretend for a second that lifting weights has no effect at all on picking up chicks. Not just appearance, but all the health, testosterone, attitude, etc… benefits of lifting have no effect on your game. In such a world, I would STILL lift weights every other day because of the ways it personally benefits ME. Who gives a fuck if it made no difference with women? Would you not still want the health and longevity benefits that come with it? Not everything is about skirt.
For those looking to get started, look up StrongLifts for lifting and Mark’s Daily Apple for general health/paleo stuff. StrongLifts is a great program and I highly recommend it.
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Also, if you have no gym access or money for home equipment, look up Convict Conditioning.
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take these supplements by now foods
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I wonder if the contraposative is true; do men with naturally high testosterone levels tend toward these habits? As a high-t guy, I suspect so… here’s what I’ve got.
I’ve always been very muscular, plus square jaw, chisled face, and chisled physique (i.e. natural high-t). If I go to the gym at all it’s to do some light cardio and *maybe* some light core exercises. That’s because I get stretch marks from any regular weight lifting. I stay in excellent shape pretty much regardless so why bother (I max out on bench at around 225 without any work).
Anyways, the point: other than the lifting and the supplements I do everything on the list. I generally can’t ever get enough fish; I literally crave broccoli; getting thrown off my sleep schedule kills me (in the rare circumstance that I do get thrown off I’ll take melatonin for a day or two to get back into rhythm); I can’t run long distance to save my life; beer makes me sick; I’ve never backed down from an approach (though, before learning game, that bit led to a great many blowouts, haha)
All that being said, I would add a corollary or two to this list. First, while long distance running kills me, I excel in sports/activities that involve short intense bursts*; baseball has always been my sport of choice, and I dabble in boxing, both of which involve short intense bursts. Hence, I’d bet that the boxer’s workout increases T. Second, I eat a lot of protien in general and in particular I eat a lot of venison (but then, I kill lots of buck-deers too). And third, though drinking a beer is rare for me, I am a heavy drinker of straight hard liquor, mostly vodka but whisky as well. This goes contrary to your list but I’ve seen a study, and I can’t remember where (actually, possibly g-manifesto though that would seem out-of-character for him) but it’s conclusion was that men with high-T were much more likely to drink heavily and be addicted to tobacco.
*short, intense bursts also characterizes my style in the sack. I know, cue the jokes but hear me out first. I literally fuck hard as hell and fast as hell for 5 or 10 min then take a breather where she sucks me or I just pull out and spank her and whatnot. Then I go in for another burst. The process is repeated until I orgasm, and actually, this makes for long, intervalled sex sessions; the girls really seem to enjoy it. Maybe that’s your workout plan right there.
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And by brain you mean penis.
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Mike,
You’re worse than a retard – you’re a troll.
Using a cocktail of drugs to avoid the worst complications of steroid abuse is beyond idiotic.
As for you claiming that Roid Rage is a myth: The family of Chris Benoit could not be reached for comment.
As for criticising game – just because you’re hopeless at getting girls doesn’t mean that everyone else is.
Go back to your tranny porn.
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Whey protien isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. It’s great for a quick amino acid surge right after your workout, otherwise it is not so good for the same reason, amino acids into and out of your blood stream fast. The vast majority of the protien in your diet should come from RED MEAT, eggs, fish, dairy if you can handle it.
Someone had a formula of 1.0 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. That’s a good start. Remember there’s only about 80 grams of protein per pound of meat.
Work up to it slowly. Protien farts are a game killer.
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PA’s advice on getting girls is pretty solid by the way.
Recovery starts when you realise that Hollywood and pop music don’t give the best advice for winning the girl of your dreams.
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Oh yeah, through out all of that food pyramid, recommended serving size horseshit.
Mariusz Pudzianowski is 6’1″ 285lbs. Here’s a sample of his diet.
“My energy comes from my diet. Breakfast is 10 eggs and two to three pounds of bacon. Between meals, I eat lots of candy. In the morning, it will be several 3 Musketeers and/or Snickers bars; I need them for energy. Lunch, at 1 or 2 PM, is a double meal of a Polish pork chop, sauerkraut and potatoes. An hour later, I work out, then take lots of supplements: magnesium, creatine, amino acids, all that stuff, and more chocolate. Dinner is whatever meat I can grab–steaks, pork chops, bacon–plus more sauerkraut and potatoes. At 9 or 10 PM, I work out again. Afterward, I have a protein shake and more chocolate. At 3 or 4 AM, I wake up and have more chocolate, then go back to sleep until morning.”
Of course, we mere mortals will never be able to look, lift or eat like Mariusz, but his advice is far better than the slop they dish out at the FDA.
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Yeah, can’t recommend squats and dead lifts enough, especially squats. Free-weight squats being superior. I always felt great driving away from the gym after a good workout with squats. Like a new man. Just do ’em right, keep your back straight, don’t bounce, etc.
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I have to jack off at least once a day, if I don’t have sex.
Otherwise I’m totally distracted and cannot concentrate.
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For those on a budget, priorities should be:
1/ Whole food (cooked animal, cooked veg, raw fruit – NOT juice, that’s liquid sugar, and nuts should be dry-roasted – not cooked in oil)
2/ BCAA – powder, 10 grams per day, morning and/or afternoon
3/ Creatine – pharmaceutical grade creatine monohydrate (aka “creapure”), 5 grams per day; no loading phase. Don’t believe the hype about new & improved versions
4/ whey protein
In addition to that and Roissy’s post, this
http://attractionreaction.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/chapter-8-the-obesity-epidemic/
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TREN!!!!!!!!!!
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Lifting moderate weights at home 3 x per week for 15 minutes per session has made a huge difference in my body and my outlook and my libido. It is amazing how little effort is required to stay moderately buffed up. 3x per week is actually over training.
Our bodies are antigravity machines. Use them.
If you want to see what happens to humans who stop fighting gravity as they get older, visit a nursing home.
About your natural testosterone enhancers. I have found that violence raises my T. Get a job wrecking a house. Smashing the wall board with a wrecking bar will make you horny. Now, in my older and more civilized version, an evening with the ladies causes my testicles to be noticeably larger two days later. And, about number one: Use it or lose it.
Really sorry to hear about beer. Well, I guess I’ll have to stick with shots.
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“My energy comes from my diet. Breakfast is 10 eggs and two to three pounds of bacon. Between meals, I eat lots of candy. In the morning, it will be several 3 Musketeers and/or Snickers bars; I need them for energy. Lunch, at 1 or 2 PM, is a double meal of a Polish pork chop, sauerkraut and potatoes. An hour later, I work out, then take lots of supplements: magnesium, creatine, amino acids, all that stuff, and more chocolate. Dinner is whatever meat I can grab–steaks, pork chops, bacon–plus more sauerkraut and potatoes. At 9 or 10 PM, I work out again. Afterward, I have a protein shake and more chocolate. At 3 or 4 AM, I wake up and have more chocolate, then go back to sleep until morning.”
“…..Oh yea, and I take a shitload of steroids, too.”
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re: T
Optizinc 30mg one hour before bed each night; combine w/magnesium for even better results
re: the hardness factor
I tried Force Factor, def made me harder than w/o it (girl commented on it too); any nitrous oxide booster (like NO-Xplode) would prob work
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Testosterone cypionate is like 3 bucks an ampule. Get a script for Androgel if you’re terrified of needles. Plenty of shady HRT outfits will write you one even if you’re under 35, as long as you have the results from your latest full panel.
I see people recommending shit like Tongkat ali that has only been shown to work in mice. It’s also $120 a month for any strength >1:100. Apart from androstenedione, the only off-the-shelf test booster that peer-reviewed studies have ever shown is highly effective in humans and isn’t more expensive than actual testosterone is D-Aspartic Acid. Participants had an average 40% increase in basal T-levels after 12 days. That includes men over 60. If you buy it in bulk powder form, it’s $20 a month. Otherwise, use the real thing.
http://www.ergo-log.com/dasparticacidtestosterone.html
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Anyone who’s lifted weights for any amount of time knows that we don’t do it for women, that’s just a welcome side effect.
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An important note: If you’re looking to get some selenium, eat one or two Brazil nuts a day, and no more. Turns out they have a ridiculous amount of the stuff. Eating even a handful daily can induce selenosis, which can cause hair loss.
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I can’t for the life of me find the study but I’ve read that having a surplus of abdominal fat is horrible for your T levels because it’s metabolically active and converts testosterone to estrogen. I’ll post it later if I find it.
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Great writeup by Henry Rollins in regards to lifting – http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/henryrollins_iron.html
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I was just about to ask about everyone’s opinion about bodyweight strength training and mention that book and You Are Your Own Gym. Any thoughts?
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Excellent point about the testicles, Gramps. I have noticed my nutsac does seem a little larger after an evening of vigorous sex.
Also, I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this: I am particularly horny after eating steak.
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this post looks like it came from chaos and pain
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RedEmperor, you’re a whiny cunt. Benoit had depression related to several concussions he had experienced as a pro wrestler. As has been shown, multiple concussive events are far worse for a person’s mental health than too much testosterone.
LOL at Delusion Damage mentioning “killing techniques.” If anyone wants to know what happens when Bruce Lee tries his “death touch” in a BJJ school, go onto YouTube and search for “Gracie challenge.”
There will always be believers:
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Do you recommend avoiding soy beans and soy products, Roissy?
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I’d imagine that being in better shape could allow you to open some sets that otherwise wouldn’t open if you were in worse shape.
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“Don’t masturbate more than once a week.”
I’ll admit this is very difficult for me.
I’ve been blessed by natural high testosterone but sadly have been trashing the levels along with my brain.
Testosterone yields a godlike euphoria. There is nothing comparable to it. I have no need of drugs. I just need good living
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“I have to jack off at least once a day, if I don’t have sex.
Otherwise I’m totally distracted and cannot concentrate.”
Haha, exactly.
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@delusion damage
um… bruce was a HUGE fan of strength training and lifting weights
if you look at old pictures he is always reading books and curling like 30 lb weights or doing flags in the gym, he even writes about it in Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I mean he wrote that after a weight lifting injury’…….
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The downside of my paleo diet has been low t-levels…
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There are worse effects of gaining belly fat (aka fupa) than falling T levels. It directly reduces the deployable amount of dick. Roughly an inch per 30 lbs. Tragic.
I remember a patient who looked a lot like Homer Simpson. His whole package was permanently trapped deep inside a horizontal,hairy slit-cave. When he pissed, it would sort of dribble out over his thighs. The truth about his “sex life” was too horrible to even discuss.
He convinced my Chief at the time that he was very near to suicide. (It was not hard to see why.) Because of this, he was offered a rather extreme form of reconstructive surgery.
I helped on the case. I never heard how it all turned out. Probably a good thing…
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VII. Eat nuts
Selenium from nuts is good for testosterone production.
They don’t taste very good, but kidneys are a better source of selenium than nuts.
Nuts contain a lot of polyunsaturated fats and junk proteins.
VIII. Take fish oil and vitamin D supplements
Omega 3s and vitamin D raise testosterone levels.
I’ve read that fish *oil* is bad for you and bad for the liver. It’s a highly polyunsaturated oil is probably half rancid or fully rancid by the time you consume it. Eating fish is recommended though. Big difference.
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Does your testosterone guide also apply to guys who need to lose some weight first?
5’10” and 265 lbs here…
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A couple of things to add to Roissy’s excellent post from a lifelong (25+ years, started at 15) powerlifter:
1. Do not overtrain. This is the key. Muscle and test grows when you rest.
2. Squat ass-to-grass. Cut your weights to the bone and learn how to do these correctly. Most guys waste time with parallel squats b/c they don’t want to look weak in a true bottom squat. They are worse than vain, they are stupid.
Squat to the bottom. Straight back, head tilted slightly up, drive through your heels. When I do squats that’s all I do for that day: 4×10 to the bottom. There is nothing like it in the world. It can be difficult to control aggression and libido for hours afterward. Small price.
3. Deadlift. Learn how to do this correctly. Again, start light until second nature. Do not injure yourself early on. Make sure you do some sets of slow, careful, weighted-hyperextensions to keep your spinal erectors strong and safe, b/c squats and deads will tax these all-important muscles.
Don’t do powerlifting exercises like cleans, clean & jerk, snatches, etc. Unless you are a powerlifter. There is nothing more painful for me than watching guys do these now faddish lifts. They require serious, serious training in technique. If you’re not a competitive powerlifter, these lifts have nothing to give you and can ruin your life if you blow a lumbar or cervical disc. Mark my words.
4. Don’t even think about juice unless you’re over 60 and have no history/family history of BPH or prostate cancer. Even then. It’s tricky business, and you’ll get all the test you need with 2 days of training a week. If you only did squats, deads, strapped pullups and strapped dips, and that twice a week, you’ll get all the test your sack can dish out.
5. Eat milk, meat, cheese, eggs and serious greens. Eat whatever you want if you’re willing to do a few days a week for 30 hard minutes on a Concept 2 erg indoor rower. Don’t “run.” Destroys the joints; terrible for libido and test. Bad news. Row or swim.
6. There’s a company called Ironmind that makes superb home equipment and the single best protein supp in the world. Called “Just Protein.” If you have to take a protein supp — you don’t, just eat expensive red meat, good whole milk, cheese and eggs– then this is your boy. While you’re at Ironmind buy some Captains of Crush Grippers.
It’s fascinating how well grip-strength measures general fitness and indeed, fitness for life in general. Make your grip strong as hell.
7. Forget fish oil. Take Udo’s Choice 3/6/9 Oil Blend in *oil* form. Best stuff there is. Read Udo’s books on good fats — he was there before anyone else.
8. If you’re having problems with wood or you simply want to shoot four-barrels in her pretty face, take a few Source Naturals Opti-Zinc 35 mg tablets about an hour before the deed. Thank me later or never.
Testosterone is indeed the finest and sweetest of nature’s drugs. Kick it up and into longterm gear for its own sake.
Men who enjoy being men get all kinds of women and a bunch of belly-laughs along the way.
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-Dont listem to femenine music and dont watch femeninne movies.
-Watch/play sports.
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Brazil nuts are very rich in selenium – one nut provides just over the RDI IIRC.
Zinc deficiency can also cause issues with T production.
Losing fat will also help if you aren’t currently lean – fat cells breed aromatase (enzyme that plays a role in converting T into estrogen).
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From the Family Research Council’s 10 Arguments Against Gay Marriage:
10. Women and marriage domesticate men.
Men who are married earn more, work harder, drink less, live longer, spend more time attending religious services, and are more sexually faithful. They also see their testosterone levels drop, especially when they have children in the home.
If the distinctive sexual patterns of “committed” gay couples are any indication (see above), it is unlikely that homosexual marriage would domesticate men in the way that heterosexual marriage does. It is also extremely unlikely that the biological effects of heterosexual marriage on men would also be found in homosexual marriage. Thus, gay activists who argue that same-sex civil marriage will domesticate gay men are, in all likelihood, clinging to a foolish hope. This foolish hope does not justify yet another effort to meddle with marriage.
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I bought whole wheat pasta, red skin peanuts and walnuts today. What’s the verdict on goji juice?
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Great post Roissy, solid info. I’m also glad you didn’t mention this “oversexed” idea of masturbation and sex lowering testosterone. Bottom line is that good research doesn’t fully support it.
Good link to summarize
http://www.livestrong.com/article/246689-the-effects-of-masturbation-on-testosterone/
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I’m telling you Game muscles beats the guy with just Game 90 percent of the time
Indeed, pretty girls are always asking whether I’m athletic and whether I work out. They expect me to boast of and exult in my physical power.
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Eating fish is recommended though.
Both fish and fish oil can have mercury. Even tuna. I found this out personally
Some fish oils are specially purified.
Contrary to some advertising I’ve seen one must not cook with fish oils – this will only speed up toxic degradation. Overdose will cause bleeds – counterproductive if those are in your brain.
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Mucius Scaevola: ” i’ve noticed hair growing in places it wasn’t before, and i think my voice got deeper. ”
That’ll be puberty.
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Also, flaxseed sources of omega 3s may be estogenic. Will wonders never cease
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Yeah right. You might as well tell women that to be more attractive to men they should become better-looking. Unattractive women can’t become better-looking but attractive women can let themselves go and become unattractive. Likewise the spectrum between Om3ga and Alpha male is merely how much testosterone a guy has and that’s innate. Just as an unattractive woman can be less unattractive by losing fat mass a man can work out and become less Om3ga than before. You can’t seriously increase the testosterone in you body by working out. In other words, you testosterone may go up and down but it’ll never be the same as taking anabolic steroids. Hence Om3ga males won’t be ripped in the same way woman can’t lose fat and gain an hourglass body that they never had before. The testosterone you have in your body is innate. Some guys are naturally large and can easily build muscle whereas ectomorphs can’t do much except become “toned” despite doing everything right.
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“Alpha pack animals eat the same diets and get the same exercise as beta pack animals but have more T.
The difference between them? Posturing.”
Not exactly true, the highest status predators in a pack generally have first pick of the meat and inevitably choose the liver, heart, bone marrow etc whilst the lower status animals eat the leftovers(steak, sinew etc). But you are right, success in competitive and domination is likely a much bigger factor and known to increase levels greatly. It seems the position of alpha is a self reinforcing through these means.
the cholosterol in organ meat and eggs will shoot your T through the roof.
It’s not all about T tho. Marijuana for instance, whilst known to lower T with long term use, will generally make you peform better sexually on any given occasion, provided you can handle your shit.
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Oh yeah and best to eat as paleo as you can as it will help with the fat loss, especially in the hard to reach places like lower belly and face cheeks. Having a defined face is important as anything and probably the most important/honest indicator of testosterone level and overall genetic quality.
no point just getting big if excess fat is curtailing both your real and percieved T levels.
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That’s clearly a gross oversimplification, as there are obviously low-testosterone alphas (and plenty of high-testosterone beta whiteknight types). And you are also wrong about the ability of permanent dietary changes to affect basal testosterone levels.
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Some of my posts on exercise, masculinity, and diet:
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/03/exercise-and-masculinity.html
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/08/real-western-men-lift-how-yoga-and.html
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/07/real-white-men-eat-meat-how.html
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@ DD
Dude, you can’t spare 30 minutes? You’re embarrassing yourself.
@ feh
Exactly. Up early. 30 – 45 minutes. Alternating days. Personally, I run with kettlebells. All in the comfort of my own home.
Explosive strength. And you can’t help standing erect and dominant when you’re done. Your body won’t let you.
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WTF? Why in’t red meat on the top of the list?
[Editor: I just took that for granted. I figure if you’re a male vegetarian you probably don’t have the stomach for game principles and wouldn’t be reading here.]
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Even switching to the Harvard pyramid diet (esentially cutting out processed carbs and sugars) will provide dramatic weight loss. I’ve gone down 17 lbs. in the last several months, roughly to my 11th grade weight.
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Mike,
Judging from your comments, you’ve had the shrivelled dick and the tits for a long time: Sounds like you’ve been hitting the anabolics pretty hard.
So here’s a little science for you, assuming you can read three-syllable words:
” A 2008 study on a nationally representative sample of young adult males in the United States found an association between lifetime and past-year self-reported anabolic-androgenic steroid use and involvement in violent acts. Compared with individuals who did not use steroids, young adult males who used anabolic-androgenic steroids reported greater involvement in violent behaviors even after controlling for the effects of key demographic variables, previous violent behavior, and polydrug use”
Beaver KM, Vaughn MG, Delisi M, Wright JP (December 2008). “Anabolic-androgenic steroid use and involvement in violent behavior in a nationally representative sample of young adult males in the United States”. Am J Public Health 98 (12): 2185–7. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2008.137018. PMID 18923108. http://www.ajph.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=18923108.
So, as they say in BJJ: “Go eat a shrivelled ball”.
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I agree totally on the weightlifting. I don’t know if it made me more attractive but it certainly increase my confidence.
I can’t give up the beer though.
Excellent post.
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One other thought. I’m a job where I sit in the middle of cubical city, so standing much during the day isn’t an option. However if its a task where I can I do stand. i.e. organizing my desk, going through files etc. I will stand as I do them.
I also work on the 7th floor of a building and I always take the stairs unless I am with someone.
My boss is a complete beta type. I have many beta tendencies but am working to diminish them. One time he called a quick meeting for four of us to go into a conference room, I suggested that we have the meeting when we stand.
It served two purposes. We got straight to the point and didn’t bullshit around which we are prone to do. I am the tallest one in our group and it was nice to be in a naturally dominant position.
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For some reason I feel real alpha after taking a nice healthy shit.
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Don’t ever take deca durabolin without a testosterone base. Anabolics need to be stacked with androgenics or the negative feedback will kill your natural test and its secondary sexual effects (the things that make you look like a man). But hey, if you don’t mind a high voice and peach fuzz mustache, it’s all good bitchtits.
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Yesterday night’s conversation:
Me: “Swweet cakes ( pet name! haha), I’ll make you a broccoli, cauliflower and Brussels sprouts pie tomorrow night ok? hehe!!”
him: “What?” ( looking puzzled with centipede like wrinkles between his brows)
Me: “hee! hee! I learnt it from a blog!” I’ll sprinkle some nuts on top! ( looking real smart)! “
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Cold showers! http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/18/the-james-bond-shower-a-shot-of-cold-water-for-health-and-vitality/
How was this missed off the list?!! This is a recent discovery for me, and its made a huge difference – way hornier. And so much better circulation where it counts heh. Like being 15 again.
All other points made in the post are excellent, in my experience.
On the matter of where gymming fits into game, its true that a game without good physique is better than physique without game. But having both is freaken awesome!!!!
I’m late 20’s, over 6.1, 205lb , about 11% body fat. Beta as they came until about a 2 years ago. Until then the only thing that gave me any success with the ladies at all was the fact that I give off a physically dominant aura.
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@what
Seriously, cooking’s the second most important way for a woman to score points with a man.
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Delusion dude guy .. whatever your name is, how about you write something on your blog about the topic, just saying. After watching you go back and forth on this topic that the Renegade has written it feels like going to someone’s BBQ and trying to tell him which ingredients are better for his BBQ sauce and what kind of heat source he should use, and what not. Bottom line is there’s more than one way to skin a cat ( get it, “skin a cat” lol) You way works and so does the Renegade so just sit back and let Roissy shine .. when you write on the topic you will get your time in the limelight.
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Jerry,
I got it under control!! :)))
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@ Delusion Damage
http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html
Power, according to Lee, lay in an individual’s ability to use the strength developed in the gym quickly and efficiently; in other words, power was the measure of how quickly and effectively one could summon and coordinate strength for “real-world” purposes. On this basis, according to those who worked out with Lee from time to time such as martial arts actor Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee — pound for pound– might well have been one of the most powerful men in the world.
Bruce Lee
Unbelievable Strength
Lee’s feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups – on one hand! – or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate — at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds — is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.
Strength training — qua strength training — was Lee’s primary objective with resistance exercise.
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@Brian
“I agree totally on the weightlifting. I don’t know if it made me more attractive but it certainly increase my confidence.”
It probably has made you more attractive. You can even tell from a hug if a man is strong. Even if you aren’t much bigger you will be noticeably stronger when a woman touches you.
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“Mucius Scaevola: ” i’ve noticed hair growing in places it wasn’t before, and i think my voice got deeper. ”
That’ll be puberty.”
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Having high T sucks if you are not getting laid…
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What’s fascinating is the effects hormones play on portions of men’s brains when assessing sexual cues in a potential sex partner. Healthy testosterone literally causes men to perceive women as sexual objects; stimulating the same portions of our brains used for cognitive problem solving. However, testosterone is mitigated by oxytocin, the hormone secreted just post orgasm. While testosterone is responsible for sex drive and aggressive impulses (not to mention muscular development, deepening of voice and hair growth), oxytocin is linked to feelings of nurturing, trust, and comfort. Oxytocin is believed to be a primary influence in post-sex, and post pregnancy, emotional attachment in women who produce the hormone in much higher volume than men. The effect of post-orgasm oxytocin in men is similar to women, however in men it is also serves as a buffering agent to heightened dopamine and testosterone levels.
In addition to all of this, there’s the role that pheromones play in regard to sexual attraction and arousal. You can google these, but there are several pheromonal studies that indicate that men with differing scents from those of women tend to attract opposite scents in women. From an evolutionary perspective the conclusion drawn is one that people of the same genus or genotype (i.e. blood related family members) will be less aroused sexually by persons of the their own genotype, thus ensuring biodiversity (nature’s prevention plan against inbreeding). However in the same “sweaty t-shirt” studies, the perspiration of men with higher testosterone levels were deemed more sexually viable or arousing by women than men with lower T levels.
You can attribute whatever legitimacy you want to studies like this, but the evidence points to higher testosterone levels as playing an influential part in sexual attraction. Also bear in mind that pheromones influence women living in close proximity to each other to synchronize their menstrual cycles – another evolutionary mechanism to ensure fertility and communal support for social animals.
From a bio-mechanical perspective, the indication is that men who consistently masturbate are essentially pheromonal betas – and women’s bio-chemistry registers this for them. Higher testosterone males manifest their sexual viability in both sexual assertiveness and scent. If you are chronically depleted of testosterone, and/or subjected to the calming effects of oxytocin your sexual viability is at a disadvantage. In fact, from an evolutionary standpoint, the beta males of our feral hunter-gatherer beginnings would be more prone to masturbation as a sexual release since, theoretically, they would’ve had less access to breeding opportunities than Alpha males. It would then follow that definitive, subconscious behavioral and chemical indicators would evolve to aid females in selecting the best mate for parental investment.
So, for as much as guys would like to have you believe that snapping one out before a date will improve your chances of fucking the girl, odds are you’re shooting yourself in the foot. This stupid belief is rooted in the “Something about Mary” myth that women don’t want an overly sexualized man, when the biological truth is far from that. The myth is one that women need to be comfortable with a guy in order to sleep with him, so men will actively desexualize themselves in order to comply. However, all indications point to a need for sexual anxiety and tension in arousal to prompt sexual intercourse. Comfort and trust are post-orgasm conditions; anxiety, arousal and sexual urgency are pre-orgasm conditions.
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I suggest 40 oranges a day. It will boost your sex power.
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Don’t you white nationals blame all of America’s problems on High-Testosterone darkies?
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Slightly off topic
Baby Boomers committing suicide in record numbers
http://www.babyboomerslifestyle.org/baby-boomers-retirement-using-suicide/
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This is very useful information. Our sedentary jobs have been taking our masculinity away from us. It’s time we got it back.
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Rollo Tomassi nails it again. Great post.
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Having had the benefit of both a washboard stomach and a million dollars in my checking account during my life, I can tell you that these have about equal pull on women… and *any* guy can have a flat stomach.
With the added benefit that the reason they’re chasing you when you’re in shape is preferable to the reason they’re chasing you when it’s about money.
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Push through the pain
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@Rollo Tomassi
Your posts are always informative. Keep it up. In every respect.
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@Rollo
“The myth is one that women need to be comfortable with a guy in order to sleep with him, so men will actively desexualize themselves in order to comply. However, all indications point to a need for sexual anxiety and tension in arousal to prompt sexual intercourse. Comfort and trust are post-orgasm conditions; anxiety, arousal and sexual urgency are pre-orgasm conditions.”
I have found the key to be that YOU are comfortable with how nervous SHE is at realizing how turned on she is by your studliness/alpha-dom (she is “afraid” of what she’s going to do…). Betas/noobs will see this nervousness in her, and – not knowing how attraction works – will stop the behaviors that are making her nervous. This is exactly the wrong thing to do.
The more assertive you are, the more submissive she gets; you must respond to this by being more assertive. It becomes a feedback loop that results in an explosion!
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@Rollo
Awesome!
““Something about Mary” myth that women don’t want an overly sexualized man, when the biological truth is far from that”
Indeed. People forget that in that movie, the guy who was giving him the “loaded gun advice” had a boner for Mary too and was trying to thwart him.
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@TG:
“The downside of my paleo diet has been low t-levels…”
Then you’re definitely doing it wrong. The paleo diet, as espoused by Wolf, Cordain, De Vany, et. al, has clinically demonstrated its ability to raise T levels. If your T is falling on your version of paleo, you’re doing it wrong. Get to a paleo-certified nutritionist (i.e. one trained by Wolf) stat, and see if there’s something you’re missing.
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Has no one been to China? The belief here is that the part of the animal has the nutrients for the corresponding part of your body. Eat many testicles and penises!
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Because of this website, I have decided to be alpha and just apply to jobs. I have been very critical of myself for the past 6 months because I have not held a paying job. I took several unpaid internships and worked for commission for a year as a trader.
I have been very reluctant because I feel that jobs needed more. This blog has made me realize that it is better to overgame (when you are beta) than undergame. I just graduated from college in January and come from a family where my mother is the breadwinner. Oh yea, I’m Filipino which adds on to my betaness since I have always longed to be SWPL.
It might be cliche but this blog changed my life. Just learning game has improved my confidence, and this is after years of reading Mystery, Sinn, and other PUAs.
Just got to thank the man responsible for my transformation from lesser beta.
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@Orthodox
“Has no one been to China? The belief here is that the part of the animal has the nutrients for the corresponding part of your body. Eat many testicles and penises!”
That’s why I eat plenty of chicken breasts! lol!! ( just couldn’t help myself lol!!)
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“I took several unpaid internships and worked for commission for a year as a trader.”
(I know this is not a career advice blog, but since we are now into health advice, what the fuck….here we go.)
Dumb. Better to flip burgers for minimum wage than fetch the office administrator coffee for no pay.
Most internships (and by “most” I mean nearly all) are a waste of your time. Worse, you are giving up the opportunity to make money doing something else. Unless you really are getting an experience you never would otherwise get, don’t bother.
I spent 10 weeks working for a federal district court judge when I was in college. No pay. But I got to hang out with him that whole time, discussing his decisions on cases and his career on a daily basis. The judge had run for the US Senate at one point and almost won, IIRC. He was a former prosecutor and state attorney general. That dude has some serious insight into life, so it was time well spent for a guy just out of my teens.
That sort of experience is about the bare minimum level of access to a quality winner I would expect before doing free work for someone.
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it’s all good in moderation and it’s truly a shame how out of shape people are, however, some of you dudes would help yourself a lot by going back to the basics… Here, shamelessly stealing:
How To Pick Up Girls For Real
By Roosh
I can’t tell you how important not giving a shit is. I never met a successful player who cared. The only problem is it’s hard to fake.
That is the key. Not some freaking muscle or proteins (and I do workout and take whey yes). Yeah, a ripped natural will in theory do better than Johnny-Depp-ish one. But in practice it’s just irrelevant masturbation and more excuses… “I’ll just get ripped first, then I’ll talk to that cute slut”. “It’s not that I didn’t talk to anyone outside of work for a week, so I got nothing to say, it’s that I have low T”..
as far as the actual post, yeah, all good, beer and sleep are my personal stumbling blocks…
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While I agree with most of the post, I am on the side of the guy who wrote that without jerking off everyday I simply cannot function normally.
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Roissy obviously made this post with good intentions and is right on a few of the points but overall the advice in it and many of the comments is no good–as in, wrong. Some points:
-don’t be afraid of eating fats, even saturated fats. Fat intake, especially saturated fat intake is necessary for testosterone production. Not to mention low fat diets have been shown to be terrible for the heart and overall health in recent years. Hell, there is even new research on saturated fats showing that some kinds are actually beneficial to the health, specifically the kinds found in beef and other meats.
-yes the point about compound exercises is a good one. So are the points about beer and getting enough sleep.
-That point a few made about lifting everyday leading to overtraining is bullshit. Overtraining is actually quite rare, and honestly if you’re not strong enough to really stress your system when you lift, and most here aren’t, then you really shouldn’t worry much. It’s a really overused term, and besides that CNS stress doesn’t just come from training but ALL aspects of life. 4-6 Days a week works FINE. Some even lift everyday. Overtraining is something you would notice if it were happening to you because of its effects, use some common sense and take it easy if that happens, don’t just adhere to some stupid 3x a week recommendation.
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By the way my main argument in my earlier post is obviously the last point, the first two are just other things.
Something to consider that doesn’t really relate to testosterone but lifting, is getting the most bang for your buck. Easiest way to look good in clothes and out is to focus on the muscle groups that will make you stick out more when they are developed. That means your shoulders ( especially lateral and rear deltoids), upper chest (do some incline pressing, not just flat bench press), lats (lat pull downs, pull ups, rowing). Having good shoulders and a wide back will give you that V-taper that looks good.
A good set of arms is also important. They can recover faster to so you can train them more often than other bodyparts. For triceps: close grip bench press, dips, and some kind of tricep extension be that with a dumbbell, lying with a barbell, or doing pushdowns at the cable station. For biceps: curls, all kinds of them.
Also lower your bodyfat so that your abs are visible.
Honestly i)a good V-taper, ii) good arms, iii) and visible abs are the most important things. Do SOME leg work so that your aren’t walking on chicken legs, so the aforementioned squats and deadlifts are good, maybe add in some lunges, leg curls, and leg press as well if you want.
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Be Don Draper.
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I went on test replacement a couple months ago and it’s been great (I’m already doing most of the other stuff in the article too). Been making great strength gains. Libido is up too, feeling more dominant, etc. At this rate I’m on track to bench a respectable 130 percent of body weight by the end of this year if I don’t plateau.
As a beta I would make excuses why I didn’t get laid and it tended to focus on my ectomorph build. But once you crash through those barriers you get to a point where you feel out of excuses. So what’s left? Game. I’m attractive in most ways, just my game isn’t tight. But I’m working on that.
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“I am on the side of the guy who wrote that without jerking off everyday I simply cannot function normally.”
“I have to jack off at least once a day, if I don’t have sex.
Otherwise I’m totally distracted and cannot concentrate.”
then it’s probable that you are addicted to its high and need a fix daily.
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so my post didn’t show up :
That point a few made about lifting everyday leading to overtraining is bullshit. Overtraining is actually quite rare, and honestly if you’re not strong enough to really stress your system when you lift, and most here aren’t, then you really shouldn’t worry much. It’s a really overused term, and besides that CNS stress doesn’t just come from training but ALL aspects of life. 4-6 Days a week works FINE. Some even lift everyday. Overtraining is something you would notice if it were happening to you because of its effects, use some common sense and take it easy if that happens, don’t just adhere to some stupid 3x a week recommendation.
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game related question:
why is it that the objective attractiveness of a woman’s beauty does not necessarily correlate to success/failure based on this metric alone ?
ive been studying my approaches and their results and its very clear to me that beauty within the 6-8 range does not lead to any statistical certainties. what im stipulating here is that i have been closing consistently with 8s and have had worse luck with 6s and 7s.
you may ask, why are you talking to 6s ? well simply for practice and because sometimes 6s have great personalities which in my world does count for a lot.
anyways, anyone ever notice this trend ? or i should say it’s really an anti-trend in the sense that there is no way to tailor your game based on beauty alone. there are too many random variables that skews the notion that hotter women are *harder* to get into bed. i think within the 1-3 point range you just have to approach and play ball.
today, i literally had 2 6s shut me down in the street
(nothing crazy but the attraction i could feel either wasnt there or i wasnt generating it) and within 30 minutes i number closed 2 8s where it was obvious these girls were way into me. wtf. women are weird.
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“That point a few made about lifting everyday leading to overtraining is bullshit”
if you train brutally hard in short bursts like you’re supposed to, you will destroy yourself if you’re training every day.
but you can easily pansy about with the weights and do it every day
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You can spend all that time doing isolated exercises to build specific small muscles that “make you stick out”, but you are not getting the most bang for your buck. Compound lifts give you the most bang for your buck.
Let’s say them again: Squat, deadlift, bench press. I add rows, push ups, chin-ups/pull-ups. Those few compound exercises work all the muscles you described with a small time commitment, 3x/week, 45-60 minutes a session. Add small load increases each session and you will build strength faster than working small muscles to failure. Arm curls are a waste of time.
Admittedly, I am a convert of strength training. If you think squats and deadlifts only work your legs, you are way wrong. I did Stronglifts 5×5 in the offseason and the next time I saw my teammates, I got comments that I looked bigger and that it was most apparent in my traps. Guess what? I never targeted my traps.
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also i have been reading a book by a dr that claims that genotype is the BIGGEST factor in whether you attract a woman. his advice : approach like crazy and find all the women who correlate to your genotype. while he does believe that game has some level of efficacy inso far as it causes you to approach but his view is that genotype is king and not game. who knows but it is interesting.
[Editor: I have gained girls I would have otherwise lost because of game. So, I don’t believe ‘genotype is king’. I do believe genotype exerts a greater influence than the average person understands.]
also somewhat related to this post is his view that a man must be at the peak of his physical to attract more women correlated to his genotype. his view being that peak genetic fitness signals to her genotype that its ON.
[Are you trolling? You sound like you are. Men’s attractiveness is determined by a number of variables of which physical attractiveness is just one. Or: chicks dig power.]
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@ namae nanka
What about the belief I and several friends had that the more you did it in your teens, the larger your dick would grow?
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“genotype is the BIGGEST factor in whether you attract a woman”
What mythical genotype is attracted to an endomorph? Even if you aren’t fat (and that’s real hard to avoid for an endomorph), you typically
1) are wide in body, relative to height
2) have short limbs and a long torso, relative to height
3) have a rounder, less masculine face
all of which are big attraction killers to women. I don’t see very many tall endomorphs either, which is probably a worse sin than the previous three.
Not really apropos for this forum, but I’m fairly sure gay men look down on endomorphs even more harshly than women do.
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your penis will lose its yang energy; this and more of your queries shall be answered here:
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“if you train brutally hard in short bursts like you’re supposed to, you will destroy yourself if you’re training every day.
but you can easily pansy about with the weights and do it every day”
@RC that’s a really cute sentiment but YOU are definitely not training that hard, nor am I, nor are most non-elite athletes.
Stop kidding yourself. Your body has defense mechanisms to prevent itself from working so hard that you’ll “destroy yourself”.
And if you seriously can’t lift 4-6 days a week, either it’s your schedule, or yes, you are the pansy.
You sound like you don’t know any serious lifter, nor are you one yourself. Most serious lifters who are doing well got 4 or more times a week.
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@Flahute:
You don’t know how to read.
I never said squats and deads didn’t work other muscles, I merely said put emphasis on getting that V-frame.
And focusing on muscle groups doesn’t mean your are avoiding compound exercises. You also don’t know how to comprehend what you read.
Trying to build big shoulders would involve shoulder pressing, a compound exercise.
And trying to build a big back involves rowing, pull ups, etc. ALL compound exercises.
And using a routine that ONLY has compound exercises is a great way to end up neglecting bodyparts. Not everyone gets a great tricep and shoulder workout from benching. Those people need other exercises to hit those muscles.
Name a really big, *balanced* looking person who only used compound exercises. Now compare that to people who use compound AND some isolation work.
No one said use isolation only.
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@Rollo
“From a bio-mechanical perspective, the indication is that men who consistently masturbate are essentially pheromonal betas – and women’s bio-chemistry registers this for them.”
You’re wise Rollo but this simply isn’t true. For every study you cite (I didn’t see any), there are more supporting the opposite reaction or no relationship between the two over a long period of time. For example:
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/439
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_masturbating_increase_testosterone_levels
The truth is, men who consistently masturbate/have sex may do it BECAUSE of high testosterone. Your point that guys need to game with a sexualized frame of mind is spot on. It’s just that masturbation and sex may desexualize you psychologically, not biologicallly.
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Ooh, I think I hit a compound nerve.
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This thread strikes a chord.
For the past couple of years, my diet has been impeccable consisting of lean meats, fruits, and cruciferous vegetables. Despite supraphysiologic T and *especially* free T levels, physicians are stunned at my labs because they show no liver, prostrate, hematocrit or any other observable health risks.
I attribute this balance to a unique cocktail of pure testosterone and nutraceuticals including vitamins, minerals, estrogen and cortisol blockers titrated and tailored to my own genetics and environmental factors. How? Through trial and error, education and research, and the school of hard knocks.
I have transformed myself into an alpha male reminiscent of the cave man. My bodyfat levels consitently fluctuate in a steady state between 5 and 9% depending on season and my weight lifting goals. I weigh under 200 lbs yet sense I am High Alpha at the gym because I am deceivingly strong, and cut.
My forehead and brow have physically grown in proportion to my head. The shape of my head has changed, flatter on top, more square on the sides and around the jaw. I suspect greater blood flow and volume in the anterior cortex of my brain, the decision making region. My facial bone structure has changed. My eyes lie deep within their sockets and my eye brows protrude covering them heavily. My cheekbones have become well-defined, protude, and help stretch my facial skin lending to the lean, muscular look. I have a never-ending tan from taking the right vitamins that support healthy skin from within, not tanning or sun exposure, and not reddish like a ‘roid head.
I react faster than everybody else during meetings at work. My mind cuts through bullshit like a knife through butter. I am extremely productive when I have be. I express myself sharply and concisely.
Women everywhere, even at the most exclusive restaurants and bars surround me for a chance at my attention. My attitude is always aloof , not an act, just demeanor. My movements are slow, deliberate, and exact. No wasted motions. My income accelerates higher at a nearly parabolic rate as I write this.
As great as all of this sounds, my T levels have turned me into a full-blown ass. I have burned almost every long-lasting relationship I’ve ever had. As adults, social hierarchies are inflexible and cannot withstand an individual’s rise from beta to High Alpha the way adolescent social circles can.
This is where I am now: Nearly Adonis, with his choice of almost any woman, wordly success at his finger tips, yet a dwindling list of true friends, comrads.
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This is where I am now: Nearly Adonis, with his choice of almost any woman, wordly success at his finger tips, yet a dwindling list of true friends, comrads.
An inspiring story.
I find myself not really pining for those relationships. Building a great career and reputation should draw legacy enough. But being still in my twenties, who knows. One day, I will be too old to lead frats. No more ability do paintball, horseriding, wild carousing. And then – if life hadn’t been lived well, if those opportunities and my youthful ability had not been exploited to the max, will burning all those bridges have been too much?
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I started to lift weights on the recommendation of a doctor 7 years ago to cure my tendinitis as a result of sitting at a computer for 10 hours a day. Within 2 months my tendinitis was cured. It turned out I really enjoyed it as well and I now lift 3-4 times a week. Since then I’ve gone from a skinny-fat 150 lbs to a cut 205 lbs. For me I can say that it has certainly helped with women quite a bit.
Before I knew about game but while I was big I would still get laid from the way I looked from time to time. I would still have hideous bad dry streaks though, like 6 months and I couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong. Before lifting weights I had never had a hot woman actually approach me, since then I got it quite often, but without game I would screw up more often then not. Now with a bit of game added in it makes it easy. My longest dry streak since knowing game and being cut is about 2 weeks. My game is not as tight as I would like but looking the way I do it doesn’t have to be (that’s not stopping me from trying to improve it though).
I do know that until I get old like 50 or something I would stay away from the roids. At my gym the juicers are huge but they look bloated and weird. Muscles are good but I do agree there is such a thing as too much muscles.
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@Lemmiwinks
That’s not “old” and you won’t need juice then either (I’ll keep my mind open on that for my 60s and 70s). Just keep lifting at maintenance levels and don’t get married (or at least don’t stop gaming hot young women = natural viagra).
Game, of course, is being able to take your clothes off in front of a young woman regardless of how buff (or old) you are, and then get her to take hers off or make out. If a guy works out (or says he does), then game is when he tells a woman on the first date, after establishing attraction enough that she’s leaning into him and not the other way around, that his muscles are sore from the workout and that he seriously needs her to give him a massage (free of course) back at his place. Game is making that request come across as natural and overcoming objections (ASD) by saying his muscles are so sore that he really must insist that she massage them now (flips phone and calls taxi).
In the end, you didn’t really need to have actually worked out the day before (your muscles don’t really have to be sore). Game ended up being 90% of what got her into your bedroom on the first date.
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Does anyone know the research on whether it’s better for senior citizen males regarding prostate cancer to be a married beta with low t levels or to maintain the attitude and physiology of someone in his twenties?
I’ve read that it’s supposedly built-in to our survivability that we should all be married by our 40s because we’ll only live to a really old age if our t levels drop after a certain point. They say prostate cancer supposedly thrives in a high T environment.
I choose to believe those “reports” were written by married men who are trying to rationalize their condition and mold society the way they want it to be.
In any case, if the reports are true, I’d rather continue on a suicide course and keep those T levels up (naturally if possible) into my 70s and beyond.
Links would be great to see.
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@ Mike
Sure Daniel Craig looks OK, but hes not even that old, he was probably only late thirties 37/38 max when that scene was filmed.
Ronnie Coleman, Jay cutler, dexter jackson etc All winning MR OLYMPIA at about that same age.
Obviously the roids contribute but Late thirties isn’t really old if you take your training seriously and consistently. Many lifters and bodybuilders peak around that age, if only because building that much size and strength takes time.
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@ n/a: “Don’t do powerlifting exercises like cleans, clean & jerk, snatches, etc. Unless you are a powerlifter.”
No, those moves are Olympic Lifting moves. PL moves are the big 3; Squat, bench, deads.
@ red emperor:
You are complete idiot. All of the available peer reviewed literature shows that Steroid use, especially supervised/in moderation, has virtually deleterious effects for the majority of users…With ONE EXCEPTION…Young males.
Young males whose endocrine systems have not fully matured are the one group that should avoid AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids). And of course you cite a study focusing on Young males as proof that ALL males shouldn’t use AAS. Beyond lame.
Between men on supervised HRT and men on unsupervised steroid regimens…there are a huge number of people using without the crazy effects you claim. Yeah, all those “Is it Low-T” commercials must be pushing some “magically-good” variety of testosterone that is somehow different than all the other “bad” varieties.
Ignorant foool.
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@ashamedomega
“And using a routine that ONLY has compound exercises is a great way to end up neglecting bodyparts. Not everyone gets a great tricep and shoulder workout from benching. Those people need other exercises to hit those muscles.”
Bench dip and standing overhead dumbbell press are compound exercises.
Re: overtraining
Any lifting session intense enough to increase muscle size or strength is enough to affect you on the systemic level (immune system, endocrine system, cardiovascular system, etc.). So, no exercise the day after lifting (ex.: day 1 cardio, day 2 lift, day 3 rest, repeat). Recovery’s where you make your gains.
Also, avg. american got 9-10 hours sleep per night before lightbulbs; today, it’s less than 7 hours. So, most americans are over-trained BEFORE doing any exercise.
@lemmiwinks
“At my gym the juicers are huge but they look bloated and weird. Muscles are good but I do agree there is such a thing as too much muscles.”
A certain amount of muscle gets a man the “muscles” point w/ women; more muscle than that does not score any more points.
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@n/a
“Don’t do powerlifting exercises like cleans, clean & jerk, snatches, etc. Unless you are a powerlifter. There is nothing more painful for me than watching guys do these now faddish lifts. They require serious, serious training in technique. If you’re not a competitive powerlifter, these lifts have nothing to give you and can ruin your life if you blow a lumbar or cervical disc. Mark my words.”
Cleans/jerks/snatches are not part of the sport of powerlifting. They are olympic lifting. I thought you said you were a powerlifter… make such an obvious error.
The olympic lifts do require more technique than squats/bench/deadlift, but that doesn’t mean you can’t learn to do them given a modicum of instruction. Bill Starr learned from looking at pictures and practicing in the gym. You don’t have to be a competitive powerlifter or olympic lifter to derive benefits from those lifts. Just use common sense… don’t perform 50 snatches in rapid succession.
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The statement in this post is misleading. The study does indicate the testosterone is lower in endurance athletes, but lower down, it also states that lower testosterone has a protective effect that reduces cardiac events and other health problems.
I’m not about to stop running just to slightly increase my sex drive. I feel better than ever mentally after running, and the health effects conferred by endurance training far outweigh any detrimental effects that may occur regarding seduction.
[Editor: Point taken. This seems to be the trade-off between high T and low T in men; you might live a shorter life with higher T but you’ll live it with a bang. (pun intended)
btw, I’m not anti-running. I run a few miles every couple days myself, and I also feel good afterwards. The problems with T occur with very long distance running, like marathons.]
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@ lolwut, etc.
“Powerlifting” in my post was shorthand. Guys you see in your gym doing cleans, snatches, etc. think they are “powerlifting” — they *don’t* think of their squats and bench presses as “powerlifting” moves.
And thanks for reminding me of the so-called “sport” of “powerlifting.”
If I never see another of those suited-up juice-monkeys surrounded by a dozen meathead “spotters” for the “big squat” they could never walk out, I’ll be a happy man.
And I don’t know what to say to the dude above who claims “there’s no such thing as over-training.”
Of course there is. I see guys every single day who never progress in the gym precisely b/c they are there every day and they are overtrained.
Then again, if you’re in your teens/twenties and juicing, sure you can lift every day. What else do you have to do? post at anabolicminds?
“lolwut” sounds about right at this point…
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Stop the presses. Here’s an example of a real alpha writing a letter to his new girlfriend:
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Who wants to bet Arnold, now divorcing Maria Shriver, realized at 63 that he can still get young women?
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QUESTION TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER OF THIS ARTICLE OR ANYONE ELSE WHO POSTS HERE…
I have been doing research and apparently the index to ring finger ratio is a marker of testosterone levels received in the womb. It also seems that this digit ratio seems to be also indicative of testosterone levels in adulthood.
My index and ring fingers are identical in size. This means that I’am not a typical mans man. This makes sense seeing as my personality is quite passive and shy, physically i’am very skinny and not strong (although that changed with weightlifting but now not strong by standards of the weightlifter) and looks wise facially I look a bit feminine not that butch.
Btw I’am STRAIGHT! (i’am no way girly!!!)
By following what you have outlined above is it possible that I may change my testosterone levels from a genetically determined low set point to as high as that of the manliest (high ring to index finger ratio) men and acquire that what I want dominance instead of passiveness, athletic ability and all the girls?
Is index ratio destiny? Or through tinkering and certain lifestyle adjustments can the alpha male experience be acquired by all?
[Editor: Don’t worry about it. There appear to be two major testosterone events in a man’s life. The first is neonatal — how much T is released in the womb affects your finger ratio. The second is puberty and young adulthood. It is during that time frame that a second blast of T is released which affects such things as secondary sex characteristics. There is even a study out there (not going to look for it now) which concludes that the second wave of T is more important for a man’s physical and psychological “manliness” than the neonatal T, which seems to exert its primary effect on mental traits such as math ability and level of empathy.
And, no for gods sake, digit ratio has nothing to do with being gay. In fact, gay men may have more masculine digit ratios.]
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Bigger balls with onions!
Onion juice triples testosterone levels:
http://www.ergo-log.com/onionjuice.html
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I haven’t read the majority of the comments, only the first few up to:
RedEmperor’s “Steroid abuse is a very bad idea…” thing.
other people have probably commented about it, but I have to say… no offense, but you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re spewing the high school health class stuff about balls shriveling and man-tits and all that, which is the same as saying people who smoke weed all eventually go on to shoot heroin and kill babies.
Steroids, properly used, have quality of life benefits (and even health benefits) that outweigh any of the negatives. And there are very few negatives… I’m not talking about stacking 1000mg of equipoise with 1000mgs of test a week and no anti-estrogens and doing that for months… I’m talking about reasonable dosages of reasonable steroids along with anti-estrogens like arimidex for a short cycle like 8-10 weeks at a time. And I’m also not talking about getting huge and freaky like bodybuilders, I’m talking about getting leaner and stronger, and cutting a more attractive figure. A beta flabber can go from 180 pounds with 30-40 pounds of fat to 160-170 pounds with very little fat at all.
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also, @askjoe…
I’ve heard HGH is pretty great… IF you can afford it at the right dosages. It’s the most expensive shit out there.
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Chateau = Captain Obvious
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