The ol’ Open-borders-for-thee-but-gated-academia-for-me blogger-cum-economist has taken a stab at trying to explain why one-fifth of all prime working age men are unemployed. Other than the obvious market factors (helllooooo cheap, displacing, low human capital labor and negative externalities!), I’ve already outlined in this post why this recession is structurally different than past recessions, and the reasons for the decline in male labor market participation. Quote:
Prediction: As women’s financial status rises to levels at or above the available men in their social sphere, they will have great difficulty finding an acceptable long-term partner. The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.
That post is now more than three years old. And its prediction has come true. All hail the Chateau, for here truth resideth, and the liars and dissemblers hang by their entrails from crosses made of fiat money.
Polite, liberal society seriously underestimates the impact the Pill, abortion and women’s financial independence has had on the labor market and employment levels. Incentives do matter, and in a world where women can pretty much support themselves and have sex free of the consequences of pregnancy, men as provider betas have become more expendable. A man cannot get the traction with women he once could get by simply going to an office from 9 to 5.
What I call the Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse has changed the rules of the dating market since its advent in the early 1960s. Men have either had to adapt to continue getting young hot tight pussy, or they have had to drop out, and society has enabled their dropping out with the convenient narcotics of video games and wide screen TVs, (and soon to be sexbots). Invasion of tens of millions of peasant laborers has contributed to the labor market malaise by sapping the native men of their will to compete for stagnant or dropping wages.
Yet, a bright spot exists. For those who won’t settle for less than success (and success for men is predominantly a function of how well they do with women, either directly or indirectly through the acquisition of power), game — i.e. studied charisma — has rushed in to fill the void.
Any economist whose head is stuck in a cycle of mumbling about aggregate demand is simply not seeing the forest for the trees. Widen your scope to include the id monster that supercharges human nature and behavior and you will begin to fathom consilience. Until then…
enjoy your exotic restaurant guides.
fIRST!!!
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speaking of “loser men”:
http://tinyurl.com/3fe5uda
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Many of the comments on Cheap Chalupas’ post seem to agree with you.
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meh
[Ed: meh!]
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It has always boggled my mind on this double dichotomy: men can mate with the best looking women if he either 1) has a high paying job or 2) is dominant:
“The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.
We must do away with such thinking. True Alpha Males will naturally be dominant, and, consequently, they will compete for (and very often, get) the top paying jobs. If you have to possess either quality (top paying job or personality dominance) and not both, something’s off with your Alphadom.
True Alpha Males dominate in their professions and they dominate their women. Now, a word regarding my comments: this dichotomy is acceptable where particular kinds of males have been politically disenfranchised, such as Black males because they were actively kept out of top paying jobs for centuries and thus had to establish their manhood in other ways.
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This is the result liberals always wanted. Alpha males should get away with everything; beta males are supposed to crawl away and die. This is what women think, in their hindbrains.
Beta males disgust them.
Their world is materializing.
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Are you sure success is a measurement of how a man gets women?
“Unencumbered by post-Christian ethics, the Chinese government recently passed a pre-1945-style eugenics law calling for the sterilization of “morons.” The ruthlessness of this law portends that if China implements genetic enhancements while the multiculturalist West either bans them or pursues a politically correct reengineering of human nature, the inevitable result within a few generations would be Chinese economic, and thus military, global hegemony. As the weapons scientist and evolutionary theorist Gregory Cochran pointed out, “We cannot opt out of this biological arms race any more than we could opt out of the nuclear arms race.” Therefore, those serious about either preventing or decreeing genetic engineering should start planning a preemptive nuclear strike on China, and soon.”
Now look at the recent census numbers:
“Even more marked differences in childlessness by race and ethnicity are reflected among women who have never married. Among unmarried women by age 44, whites and Asians were much more likely to be childless than blacks or Hispanics. Of unmarried white women, 69.5% were childless; 65.8% of Asian women were childless. Among unmarried Hispanic women, 36.4% were childless; 27.8% of unmarried black women were childless.”
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/story/0//white-women-more-likely-to-be-childless-census-says/46992416/1
When dumbasses breed, and lets face the fact that America is a society of fucking dumbass men and women, they aren’t being successful; they’re being suicidal. More power to them but as the economy crumbles, where o’ where shall they find food?
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Excellent post.
My screen name and blog title are no accident. I worked full-time during the years of the central banker created credit boom, but now that the inevitable bust has occured, all the incentives of the sexual marketplace and the welfare state in the UK are telling me NOT TO WORK.
To understand what is happening in the current economy I recommend studying the Austrian School’s take on the so-called “business cycle”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_business_cycle_theory
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I do wonder if sexbots will change the dating landscape anymore than free porn already has. Think about it: omega’s already consume massive amounts of porn, as do the lesser betas. Pretty much all men, from super alphas to omegas enjoy porn, so why would sexbots change the “bangarchy”?
Will sexbots make men less likely to commit to marriage? Why would it be any more effective than porn? Unless the robot can provide a realistic female substitute in concretio, there’s no way men will pass over females entirely. Being validating by the opposite sex cannot be replaced by a robot.
I think the dating market has already priced in omegas and lesser betas dropping out, and sexbots would only solidify this trend but not exacerbate it. Regular betas will still date women looking for marriage because society shames men who do not marry, and betas tend to be the insecure types who place a emphasis on others opinions of them, so sexbots shouldn’t change much of anything. The trend of beta/omega ostracization was already priced in since the rise of ubiquitous porn, so sexbots could only solidfy what is already a strong trend. That it would make the trend anymore pronounced is debatable, as the “unattractive males dropping out of the dating game” has been going on for quite some time now. There has to be a bottom to this somewhere.
You can see this trend most clearly in Japan, where porn has pretty much satisfied the need for betas and below, and as a result Japanese aren’t having many children or marriages anymore. How could sexbots make things worse in an already untenable situation?
And I also question if women will be more likely to put out as a result of less men in the mating market. If women start receiving less attention from men, they could start turning more and more to comfort foods ease their obsolescence.
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Think about it: a society full of artificial sex with tons of obese women.
[Editor: Satan couldn’t have wished for a better hell on earth.]
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@ Gorbachev
That’s life. It’s not like most of human existence was any better. During medieval times the alpha lord would fuck the pretty wife of the lowly serf (beta) before the marriage was officially consummated. Much like how alphas today leave betas with leftovers well past their expiration date. Alphas have always triumphed, with only the last five hundred years being the exception, which is significant as the west achieved global supremacy during this period, while other alpha dominated societies stagnated or went into massive decline, so the unraveling of social stability today in USA/Europe has major consequences.
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>>>>>Polite, liberal society seriously underestimates the impact the Pill, abortion and women’s financial independence h….
Unless… they know exactly what they are doing: destroying the family and masculinity so they can manage us easily.
http://www.savethemales.ca
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Consequence-free sex for women is a myth and women may be able to support themselves financially but they’re not happy. I still very much see the appeal of and need for the provider…
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The cheap chalupa argument is just intellectual window curtains to hide that the left wants to flood this country with these people in an effort of population replacement, they’re farming voters.
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This is an important post if only as a correction to the prevailing wisdom. Last year at university I listened to Professor Robert Reich give a consummately witty speech about the tragedy of wage stagnation in America. For over an hour he listed the historical causes of the problem which seems to have begun in the early 1970s. Of course mass immigration was never broached. Naturally it would have been far too much to ask of such a polite and cultured man to touch upon the issue of male-female dynamics.
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“Think about it: a society full of artificial sex with tons of obese women.” – Samseau
And yet this will somehow be construed as the fault of men. Those men who prefer artificial sex will be labeled as “sick,” or at the very least, being unable to handle strong women. Those men who prefer not to sleep with obese women will be labeled as chauvinists who objectify women merely as sex objects.
Interestingly enough, the future Samseau predicts is already here for women. Artificial sex exists in the form of a wide range of manual and automatic “toys” for women. Likewise, there are tons of overweight men with whom women refuse to have sex – based solely on the physical appearance of such men.
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“women’s financial independence”
That is a phrase that needs some parsing.
The current economy allowing so many service workers is one built on an amazing level of productivity (hence few farmers) and leverage. Women are service workers. They push papers, file things, take calls, talk to people, dote on someone, teaching, and another big one GOVERNMENT JOBS.
You rarely find women in the “making shit” sectors like construction, manufacturing, farming, sofware, etc. You should also include sales jobs in the “making shit” category, for reason I explain below. Without the “making shit” sector, we are all living in grass huts, starving to death between mastadon kills.
Why do women avoid the “making shit” sectors? My theory is that because the making shit sectors are either hard work or use objective measures of success or failure. Think about it. If you are an HR bunny at Bigco or somewhere else, how do you measure prodctivity? You don’t. But if you need to build a strip mall or sell 345,000 widgets this month, your ability to achieve that standard (and hence determine productivity) is easily measured.
Women avoid jobs where their productivity is actually measured and scaled like they avoid omega men. Yes, there are exceptions, but generally they do so.
Guess where the job growth has been in recent years? Yup. Not the making shit areas–it was all service work areas.
Guess how we fueled that recent growth? Yup, by borrowing money and creating new service jobs women like to fill, rather than making shit.
But if an economy is to grow and prosper, it is the making shit sectors that make that happen, by becoming ever more productive and allowing the non-making shit sector to fill in behind it. In sum, the making shit sector allows the women to keep having their “jobs” which in turn allow the making shit sector to continue.
But if the service sector starts to overtake the making shit sector, and you add a large slice of the population simply living off everyone else, everything will start slipping into a negative sum game. The service workers and lay-abouts will effectively kill the making shit sector, without ever understanding why all those men filling the making shit sector simply stopped working.
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It’s all intentional. You think they don’t know what they are doing when they outsource all the jobs overseas, kill the dollar and not enforce illegal immigration? Or giving billions of $ to Japanese car manufacturers while letting American car companies go bankrupt?
It’s all designed by intent, and thanks to chemicals in water, low testosterone, and constantly being beat down by the society, men are these day not really “men”, but some sort of “masculine” form of women with dicks. You can’t really fight when they cut off your balls (and you don’t even know it yet).
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Economics EQUALS
1. Discard all humanities which have been practiced the last millenium
2. Suppose humans behave rational
3. Now build some formulas on this hypothesis
4. Establish modern shaman status by using complex maths
5. Profit / Power
Taleb Nassim has interesting things to say about economics.
Remember: People always need shamans
Complex maths have just made is less obvious they’re still there (read bureaucrat economists who ‘predict’). Enlightenment has made us ashamed about ‘believing’ but at the same time fall into the same trap of being completely oblivious to the limits of economics.
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Roissey,
Are you serious with this crap? The reason for unemployment has to do with regulation, taxation, and the debasement of the currency, ie inflation, at the hands of the FED.
The cause of unemployment has NOTHING to do with women’s careerism or immigration.
You are so ignorant of economics while simultaneously certain of your “truth” that you come across as of similar kind as any brain dead Jihadist mouth Koranic slogans.
When women and immigrants enter the workforce they create value and even though nominal wages decrease, real wage rates INCREASE. That you don’t know this is a testament to your stupidity.
I’m serious beginning to doubt if you are even good with women. Someone as ignorant as you may not have the brain power to be able to apply Game effectively.
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[…] 16 more men per 100 not having jobs? I’m not sure. But I have a couple of other explanations, partially shared by others, that I feel are true but have no hope of proving via the methods favored by Cowen, Yglesias, et […]
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Roissey,
Do you think that the minimum wage laws or that pro-union laws have anything to do with unemployment? How about laws mandating health coverage?
Have you ever read von Mises, Hayek, Simon, Hazlitt, Menger, Rothbard, etc..
What the hell have you read? Oh yeah, ‘The Red Queen’ and ‘Sperm Wars’. And yet you consider yourself competent to comment on economics? What a joke.
[Editor: Please read ‘IQ and the wealth of nation’ and get back to me. And while you’re at it, you may want to refresh your memory about the economic concept of externalities.]
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There’s no issue with men who have less than women — none. Just don’t tell women what you do, or where/if you went to college. Problem solved.
I own a few businesses, but in a majority of them, I use a fake pseudonym on my business card. I’m Brian at one shop, Case at another, etc, etc. On the rare (but increasingly less so) occasion that a gal I’m seeing knows a customer who calls me by my pseudonym, I shrug and tell her I prefer anonymity. When asked where I went to college (I didn’t), I say “You google stalk guys all the time and you haven’t figured it out yet?” Let her try.
Even if you’re super successful, keeping it private works. Let other people raise your value to women, and keep your trap shut. If you are successful, donate $50k to a college and have a small lab named after you. Then, when the women search for you, they see that. It’s cheaper than college, too.
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The incentives to work are just not there. So it seems that instead of worrying about “Going Galt”, a supply side issue, we need to worry about men “dropping out” – or MGTOW in a sense.
The MGTOWers like to fashion themselves as the same category as the Going Galt types, but upon closer inspection you generally have to own something in order to be considered to have Gone Galt.
I see this all as a structural shift whereby innovation and growth are being crunched downward while incentives to work are being crunched upwards leaving a lot of immobilized capital and labor. Blame feminism or the slow erosion of our morals?
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The idea that lords had first dibs on medieval peasant wives is a myth promulgated by radicals in the mid 19th Century. It has no basis in any historical record, and frequent peasant revolts and warfare among lords makes it a non-starter. After all, a lord who abuses his peasants in the most fundamental way like that creates an open invitation from neighboring lords to invade him with support of the peasants. And moreover creates bastards with a claim on his lands if they should but ally with a neighbor lord and slay the legitimate heirs.
I’d say that Western Europe’s big difference was better treatment of Beta Males creating a wide-deep society, able to adjust if many/most of the Alpha leadership got wiped out, and producing for their own benefit more and better technology.
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JH: “Have you ever read von Mises, Hayek, Simon, Hazlitt, Menger, Rothbard, etc..”
Editor: “And while you’re at it, you may want to refresh your memory about the economic concept of externalities.”
Indeed. Mises and Austrian types don’t like the existence of externalities because regulations are capable of harnessing the positive ones and curbing the negative ones, which is a good thing, but contradicts their view of regulations as a bad thing.
[Editor: And the one regulation which the government has the most control over, and the greatest obligation to enforce, is the integrity of the border. They have failed in their prime directive. Now the only question is whether they have failed through sheer incompetence, ideological wrongheadedness, or traitorous intent. Survey SAYS…]
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ahem yes
that, and government
and quasi-government jobs
that require mathematics skills
[Editor: I wonder how much dead weight the DMV is capable of holding?]
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J.H.,
Anyone who claims he knows exactly what makes the economy tick probably isn’t worth listening to.
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[Editor: I wonder how much dead weight the DMV is capable of holding?]Hmm.
If one is a Large & IN Charge African-American Female with ghetto claws and tons of ‘tude
Plenty.
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“… one-fifth of all prime working age men are unemployed.”
This is even worse than it sounds. Many men work jobs that are beneath their skills and training. Think of the engineer selling cars or stocking shelves part-time at Target. He’s technically drawing a paycheck and is therefore “employed” but the devil is in the details. The underemployment of men is probably nearing 50%.
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J.H
Roissey,
Are you serious with this crap? The reason for unemployment has to do with regulation, taxation, and the debasement of the currency, ie inflation, at the hands of the FED.
The cause of unemployment has NOTHING to do with women’s careerism or immigration.
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J.H
Roissey,
Do you think that the minimum wage laws or that pro-union laws have anything to do with unemployment? How about laws mandating health coverage?
Have you ever read von Mises, Hayek, Simon, Hazlitt, Menger, Rothbard, etc..
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Classic boilerplate LIEberTURDianism…
Doesn’t miss a single talking point.
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@J.H.
“You are so ignorant of economics”
I have a degree in economics and CR is a lot smarter than I am so I doubt this is true.
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Ovid:
This isn’t a troll response to your point…but I wonder if “underemployment” is a useful concept. And I say this as a guy who has a master’s degree and is a waiter.
But just because people obtain a certain set of credentials doesn’t necessarily imply that they are underemployed – it just means that there aren’t jobs available in the field in which they planned on being employed.
[Editor: I know a mathematician who quit his day job to become a bartender. He said he made twice as much as a bartender and, oh yeah, he met his cute fiancee at the bar.]
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samseau
“…tons of obese women.”
Or woman.
LOL
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Gucci,
“But just because people obtain a certain set of credentials doesn’t necessarily imply that they are underemployed – it just means that there aren’t jobs available in the field in which they planned on being employed.”
I’m not sure I understand. It seems you’re just rephrasing things here. To my mind the question your statement raises is “Why aren’t there jobs in these fields?” (Possible answers: outsourcing, free-trade, H1-B Visas). Also, if there aren’t enough jobs at the higher end, why is everyone (consevatives most especially) pushing for more education as a solution to personal economic failure?
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Gucci,
I forgot to mention that underemployment includes people who aren’t fully employed (i.e. work less than 40hrs a week) or are working a temp job and can’t earn benefits or seniority.
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underemployment? In the case of a person with an advanced degree, there’s probably an issue of competence or relevance.
Basically, if you have a worthless grad degree, then you are irrelevant. You consider yourself too good to do regular work.
Otherwise, if you have such a degree and it is relevant, you should be able to use that degree to open up your own shop if no one will hire you.
Otherwise, you’re just credentialed, not educated.
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The displacement narrative of the American male worker goes back further than feminism or border jumpers. It began after WWII when the US dropped its tariffs, allowing rebuilding nations like Germany and Japan access the US market. Thereby tying those nations into the US sphere via economic dependence, the USA was the largest market in the world at the time by a large margin, away from the Soviets.
The Asian nations in particular had vastly lower labor costs and were able to institute favorable tech transfer deals for access to this labor while locking out US competition. The US textile, steel, electronics, and shipbuilding industry were gutted during the 60s and 70s. US industrial policy was very lax at the time which lead to a drop in a reinvestment and R&D, while other nations subsidized economic development. Defense spending was one of the few forms of government cash inflows, which lead to the US having a healthy aerospace industry before the 90s consolidations. Good for California, not for Detroit.
Move up to the 1980s and you see a push for hardline neoliberal policies when all statistical indicators for social mobility in the US are dropping. Maximization of short term profit completely dominates corporate ethos. With the new GATT and NAFTA passed, a massive new cheap labor pool was accessed and the last of the manufacturing jobs were sent overseas. The last 20 years the US consumer rode a sugar high on borrowed money and cheap 3rd world goods.
There are other factors such as: automation, Hart-Celler Act, removal of the Gold Standard, monetization of the economy, the rise of the service sector, illegal immigration and feminism, but the disassembly of the core engineering and industrial competencies has been the leading cause of male economic malaise the last 2 decades. That is how you go from:
-being employed by one company entire your life with full medical, massive purchasing power, and pension benefits
to
-the revolving door service sector wage slave who will take his zero benefit $8/hour job and like it, because there are 3 people behind him waiting for him to get fired and he’s got 5 figure student loan to pay back
in the time span of grandfather to grandson.
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…That is how you go from:
-being employed by one company entire your life with full medical, massive purchasing power, and pension benefits
to
-the revolving door service sector wage slave who will take his zero benefit $8/hour job and like it, because there are 3 people behind him waiting for him to get fired and he’s got 5 figure student loan to pay back
in the time span of grandfather to grandson.
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STDA,
Yes! This, as you so correctly outlined, was the EXACT path of the destruction of the American working class, especially men, and his way of life.
Everyone thinks it was/is the Marxists that primarily brought about our American/Western untergang (downfall) — no, it was primarily the deceptive lie of LIEbertarianism that convinced so many of us to sell our country — and even our very birthright — to the highest bidder.
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Women are not economically independent, they exist in the workforce in such large numbers because of government coercion. That an employer is forced on pain of ruinous lawsuit to pay the wages of a female off giving birth to her latest bastard and can’t hire a dependable male in her stead is retarded bullsh*t.
The Age of Idiocy.
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Women are given massive preferential treatment in hiring and “scholarships.”
This is why you see more females than men in college, graduating – then getting better jobs.
Simple.
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Firepower,
In the UK several years ago an experiment involving male and female employment was conducted. Two identical resumes, one with a female name and one with a male name, were sent to a number of employers. The female resume got 4x the number of offers as the male one.
[Editor: Ovid, if you find a cite or link to that study, could you email it to the address on the about page? tia.]
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[Editor: I know a mathematician who quit his day job to become a bartender. He said he made twice as much as a bartender and, oh yeah, he met his cute fiancee at the bar.]
Roosh tore it up as a bartender didn’t he? Working at restaurants, if you can get past the low status, isn’t bad work. If you are in your 20s and want to get laid this line of work is where it’s at. You are surrounded by young women in close quarters with plenty of opportunity to game them. High turnover means fresh pussy is shipped in almost as regularly as daily fish specials.
I don’t know how many people/economists/social scientists know about it, but cities are just filled with guys who work at restaurants, hang out all night, get laid relatively easily, and have basically checked out of the American Dream as it were. The problem now is to convince them a.) that this is OK and b.) that they shouldn’t lose their sanity from the pressure foisted on them by “society”.
[Editor: No doubt that service jobs can be a vaj boon for younger men in their 20s. It gets a little dicey for guys into their 30s though. But not impossible. In fact, the mathematician I know was in his mid 30s when he switched careers to bartending. (Bartenders do have greater social cachet than waiters, though, so if an older guy wants to enjoy the hedonistic life of service work he’d be wise to have a plan to move quickly up the ranks to bartending, sommelier or even managing.]
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I am curious to know the justification you use against open borders. Do you want the United States to be just like when your great great grandfather arrived in a boat? Are you saying United states is a collective property of, say, descendents of whoever was here before 16th century, 18th century or 20th century? I want to know your cut-off point. What bygone period in America’s history is the perfect time for you? Keep in mind, we tend to look at past with a rose tint. And if there was a perfect time in history, is it possible to replicate it over and over again without improvement or degeneration?
You say protecting the integrity of border is government’s greatest obligation. More than enforcing law within it’s borders? Say you have resources to do only one of two things: preventing a powerful citizen from preying on a weaker citizen; preventing an outsider from entering the border. You’d say the greater obligation for the government is the second one? Why?
Sure a Mexican dishwasher will suppress an American dishwasher’s wages. But so does a Maytag. Should we ban Maytag?
From what I can tell from your writing, you are fairly smart and logical. I agree with you a lot more than disagree. But this bugbear about open borders — I don’t understand why you get so riled up about it. I would say you’d be a great guy to have a beer with( provided you are willing to be seen with brown people, I most definitely would overlook your white skin!) and take pot shots at Cheap Chalupa( there’s a lot to dislike about his poseur attitude). But America is what it is because of opening it’s arms to the cliched tired, poor, huddled masses from everywhere, not despite it.
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Chateau/Roissy,
Can you add a print-format feature to make it easier to print out your columns?
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@Ravi,
I hope that Roissy chimes in here, but let me give you the most obvious and noncontroversial reason to dislike immigration:
Land, water, food, oil, and space are precious resources. The more people here, the less to go around. Other than women, these resources are the most coveted in all the world and are a usual source of conflict among people. Americans are very lucky to have more to go around than a lot of other nations. The U.S. population has doubled over the last 50 years. Why on earth would we want to make the situation worse? What’s the endgame?
I really think the burden’s on you to explain why we’ve just gotta have more and more and more immigration.
1. Why don’t you tell me why I should have to allow any and all comers to enter my territory? How is that in my interests? If you answer any question, that’s the one: why is it in our interests to displace our people with more foreigners?
2. And as for you, why are you so eager to flood the country with more immigrants? Do you not love the native Americans, the traditional stock of this country? Or are you hostile to or fearful of them? Be honest – is this some kind of attempt to replace the traditional peoples of this country? If I were a newcomer to a foreign country and I had an urge to subject it to mass immigration, I’ve got to think that my motives would not be to further the best interests of the people already there.
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What? Conflating border control with immigration?
Every community has the right to determine its own destiny.
Plain and simple.
That line of reasoning is so backwards, a sane question would be to ask why would any country have open borders, and indeed, which countries have had open borders. None.
From what I bothered to read, Ravi’s whole rationale is basically population replacement, that Americans from long ago were yucky and new blood was needed.
Basically, the only reason why certain politicians support open borders is the hope to bring in new and gullible people who they (through casual racism) assume will support their policies (because they’re brown, you see? Not like those yucky early white Americans).
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Roissy,
I believe you posted a link about a month or two ago to some information detailing the costs of “diversity” of groups. I believe it was basically an argument against excessive diversity. Would you mind re-posting? Tia.
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“The cause of unemployment has NOTHING to do with women’s careerism or immigration.”
then?
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Well, this is rich, all of us who were raised to be good beta-males, to go to school, get good jobs, push hard, work hard so as to be qualified to be good spouses, should be happy that the land of open borders also has lifeguards making money that would put most engineers, doctors, and lawyers to shame.
So, R’s point is on one hand, there’s no sexual uptick in status for most high investment professions anymore, the idiot nanny state (and their open borders, idiot politicians) are actively skewing the rewards to the dull and lazy.
I am also reminded of talking to a pharma rep, hot girl – tight as hell body, she let it slip that she got knocked up by a professional athlete. Yup, no chance there for Mr. buy her dinner and movie beta male. So, there, maybe Roissy’s game works because stupid society’s taken your money and your provider niche away.
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im a big fan of the blog but you economic, political and racial posts are dumbfoundingly asinine. Stick to the game posts…you’re alienating your mainstream appeal and your core audience with drivel…
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“I am curious to know the justification you use against open borders. Do you want the United States to be just like when your great great grandfather arrived in a boat?”
You can have income transfers/welfare state policies, or you can have open borders. You cannot have both.
De facto, we have both right now.
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Do you want the United States to be just like when your great great grandfather arrived in a boat? @Ravi
Not all the ancestors of White Americans arrived here “on a boat”.
Many a White American’s ancestor, especially from Britain and other Northwestern European kindred nations, was a pioneer or settler, not an Ellis Island immigrant replete with the usual left-wing sob stories.
In other words, Northwest Euros actually built and created the United States — latter immigrants, including other Whites — came to a country already created by the foresight and talents of the NW Euros.
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What really comes across in listening to people like Ravi fervently push for more immigration is an essential disregard for actual living, breathing, here-right-now, Americans. It’s like the traditional peoples of this nation are totally invisible to him while he hangs breathlessly on each word uttered by the Zionist Emma Lazarus.
(How about some immigration back to Palestine for the hundreds of thousands of people displaced by your white supremacist movement Emma? “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.” What a joke. The hypocrisy is just staggering.)
[Editor: Seriously. A plaque on the Statue of Liberty is no way to inform a nation’s immigration policy.]
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“I use a fake pseudonym on my business card. . .”
That is truly dishonest. I always use a REAL pseudonym on mine.
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duh, Ravi basically said he hates Americans and immigration is a good hose to use to wipe them away.
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Not exactly relevant to the thread but definitely has to be linked to on this site:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/245384/
Somehow I image that this girl will end up cheating a lot of rich boyfriends with broke bad boys.
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the rampant feminism and open borders is pushed by the same people who want “diversity” while keeping THEIR tribe unpolluted and versed in their atavistic rituals and texts.
They have emasculated american males by the use of the so-called “domestic violence” laws that protect “wymmen” from appropriate behaviour modification by males.
In many countries it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to be “chastised” if she steps out of line….
Sean Connery stated that he had no qualms about correcting a woman if necessary. This is a man removed about 2 generations from the current one in the U.K.
several friends from eastern europe where aghast at the t.v. commercials here in the USA that universally portray men as idiots or imbeciles….
The USA is lost to feminism and “diversity” politics. The average male here has been dumbed down to the point of not being able to see the mortal danger his gender finds itself in…..
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Men of Northern European descent have up and surrendered their country over the past 50 years. Is there any precedent in human history for this kind of en masse abdication of power and territory? It is simply unreal.
[Editor: It really is. It’s like a mass psychosis has overtaken the mind of the Western man. If there is a great awakening — a dubious proposition at best — the backlash is going to be so severe that the lamppost allusion I like to refer to here might very well come to pass.
Hm, all this talk of willful self-extermination reminds me of this classic Chateau post.]
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/fashion/weddings/08Hirschman.html?ref=style
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“Gorbachev
This is the result liberals always wanted. Alpha males should get away with everything; beta males are supposed to crawl away and die. This is what women think, in their hindbrains.
Beta males disgust them.
Their world is materializing.”
The Liberal Wet Dreamworld absolutely leads to MORE of the cutthroat competition they claim to abhor. The irony is sickening. They’re so completely without any self-knowledge that they can’t see the “peaceful society” is peaceful because it curbs man’s more horribly impulsive behavior for the greater good of all people. And not through Unicorn legislation.
Up and down up and down over and over until the end of Man. Some alien somewhere has been taping us for his reality show entitled, “How to Miss the Point Entirely”.
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The female loves war and encourages it with her every action. Her very existence inspires men to it. This is true of most species, not just humans. Don’t feel sorry for the female lion. She loves it.
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Ovid wrote:
“In the UK several years ago an experiment involving male and female employment was conducted. Two identical resumes, one with a female name and one with a male name, were sent to a number of employers. The female resume got 4x the number of offers as the male one”
As a corporate recruiter for a large multinational, this does not surprise me. A lot of my time is spent searching for qualified diverse (non white male) candidates. Though we don’t have quotas per se, our jobs depend on supplying a sufficient number of female and black/Hispanic hires. I have been told to only supply ‘diverse’ candidates for certain positions.
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speaking of the pill, for your consideration:
The Tricky Chemistry of Attraction
Taking Birth-Control Pills May Mask the Signals That Draw the Sexes Together, Research Shows
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Re Ravi,
I have not yet met a diaspora Indian who favors stringent border control, i.e. a moratorium on low skilled migrant labor (or sloth). This is surprising seeing as how overpopulation and permissive labor laws leave much of your home country in grinding poverty.
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“Is there any precedent in human history for this kind of en masse abdication of power and territory? It is simply unreal.”
Rome and Babylon. China wasn’t such a great place after Mongol and Manchu invasions, either.
“[Editor: Seriously. A plaque on the Statue of Liberty is no way to inform a nation’s immigration policy.]”
The statue was from the French. Americans even then were too stupid to recognize psychological warfare, right in their faces.
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Why is it that only countries peopled by Europeans are said to “need” an endless flow of immigrants for their prosperity and survival? Let countries such as India, China, and Israel try their hand at mass immigration now and they can provide the natural laboratory from which the rest of the world can learn. What’s good for us must surely be good for them.
Anyway, weren’t Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand doing just fine before the mass immigration of the past 50 years?
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“im a big fan of the blog but you economic, political and racial posts are dumbfoundingly asinine. Stick to the game posts…you’re alienating your mainstream appeal and your core audience with drivel…”
Roissy’s understanding of the unvarnished truth of the sexual market and his acceptance of race realism are related. Both involve seeing through the matrix and cutting through the bullshit of our rapidly decaying society.
You insiuate that he’s a racist, but who cares, any feminist that saw you reading this blog would call you a mysoginist. It’s all meant to make people not question leftist premises through social pressure because when they’re questioned they fall apart at the seams. Hence your butthurt.
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” Don’t feel sorry for the female lion. She loves it.”
“should be happy that the land of open borders also has lifeguards making money that would put most engineers, doctors, and lawyers to shame.”
cmon man, baywatch was one of the best things put out by teh U-S-A!
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“But America is what it is because of opening it’s arms to the cliched tired, poor, huddled masses from everywhere, not despite it.”
America got to where it was by opening its doors to genetically similar and culturally assimilable peoples from Europe. It is now declining from where it was by opening its doors to people from everywhere.
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“Men of Northern European descent have up and surrendered their country over the past 50 years. Is there any precedent in human history for this kind of en masse abdication of power and territory? It is simply unreal.”
It’s happened plenty of times before.
The Romans were flooded with immigrants like the Gauls ,Germanics, and people from even more far flung places. By the 3rd century, when the Empire was roiled by constant conflict, most of the Ceasars that fought their way to power were Germanics and not Romans.
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Ravi — get back to me when India is over-run by 500 million Africans and Indians are fifth-class humans (at best) in their own country, in a generation. Until then, as a guest in this country I’d advise you to either refrain from commenting, or leave for India, whichever you prefer. I don’t care if “brown people” love me or hate me — it is irrelevant. Neither makes my life better or worse, and their love or hate or indifference is worth nothing anyway.
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Northern European men did not “roll over and die” it was Northern European women who went whole hog for open borders/PC/multi-culturalism/liberalism because … White Women by and large … HATE HATE HATE beta males. And no one does beta males more than White guys. OF COURSE White women want Alpha males getting away with everything and beta males just crawling away to die.
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Bartenders do have greater social cachet than waiters, though, so if an older guy wants to enjoy the hedonistic life of service work he’d be wise to have a plan to move quickly up the ranks to bartending, sommelier or even managing.
My friend is a bartender/bar manager, but he’s my age (41) and furiously trying to complete his degree, so he can get outta there and move into something else. Bartending is great but once you’re in your 40’s it’s a little dicey. You best be thinking about hotel restaurant management by then.
Just my .02, though. To each his own.
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@Ravi,
For the record, I don’t share whiskey’s sentiment that you should refrain from commenting or leave. I doubt many people who believe we need an immigration moratorium feel the way he does. His attitude seems counterproductive and unfair, and you have shown a willingness to learn.
My view is that recent legal immigrants are welcome, but on the conditions that (1) you are willing to assimilate, and (2) you accept a common destiny with the American people–without loyalties to a foreign nation or people.
Are you willing to do that?
But enough is enough. Let’s end this mass immigration madness and be responsible stewards of our (that includes you) national resources.
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Philip, with your second paragraph, you marked yourself an imbecile.
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@PA,
How is that?
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“For the record, I don’t share whiskey’s sentiment that you should refrain from commenting or leave. I doubt many people who believe we need an immigration moratorium feel the way he does. His attitude seems counterproductive and unfair, and you have shown a willingness to learn.
My view is that recent legal immigrants are welcome, but on the conditions that (1) you are willing to assimilate, and (2) you accept a common destiny with the American people–without loyalties to a foreign nation or people.
Are you willing to do that?
But enough is enough. Let’s end this mass immigration madness and be responsible stewards of our (that includes you) national resources.”
Why would those conditions be sufficient for you? History shows that the worst conflicts, the most terrible and degrading to the human condition, are those conflicts that are fought between differing factions in a single nation.
And of those civil conflicts the worst are those between opposing ethnicities and not opposing ideologies.
It might be advantageous if the stock we were importing was a superior stock to the native one, but that’s certainly not what we’re doing.
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You believe in the Proposition Nation whilst everyone else laughs at you.
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My criteria for immigration would be as follows
1) white
or
2) IQ of 115 or greater (one standard deviation above the norm)
That’s a healthy immigration policy.
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Buku, not “or.” Maybe “and.”
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Why would those conditions be sufficient for you? History shows that the worst conflicts, the most terrible and degrading to the human condition, are those conflicts that are fought between differing factions in a single nation.
And of those civil conflicts the worst are those between opposing ethnicities and not opposing ideologies.
Because both of the conditions go to the same concern you have expressed here about opposing ethnicities. I agree it is madness to open the doors to an opposing ethnicity if it intends to remain in competition with the native people.
Assimilation and common destiny embodies an absence of “opposing ethnocentrism.” Is Ravi willing to truly join us, to intermarry etc.? If so, why should I reject him if he is already here?
But Ravi, if you aren’t willing to do that, should I view you with suspicion?
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The non-whites that could get over that bar would be few enough and worthwhile enough to take in.
If it was “and” it wouldn’t even be worth having immigration, our gain would merely be a graying Europe’s loss. Better to just close the doors.
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@Baku
My criteria for immigration would be as follows
1) white
or
2) IQ of 115 or greater (one standard deviation above the norm)
Given your stated concerns, why are you comfortable with an “opposing ethnic group” just because it has a high IQ?
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Offtopic, “I Am A husband who divorced his wife of 12 years because she was abusive ”
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/h977d/iama_husband_who_divorced_his_wife_of_12_years/
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@PA
I don’t know what you mean by Proposition Nation. If it is what the United States is now becoming, essentially a big public market, with rival ethnic groups, united only by uniform rules for economic transactions and rules of “negative liberty,” but lacking in shared affirmative customs and practices and sense of common destiney, then I’m not sure I would subscribe to a Proposition Nation.
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“Because both of the conditions go to the same concern you have expressed here about opposing ethnicities. I agree it is madness to open the doors to an opposing ethnicity if it intends to remain in competition with the native people.
Assimilation and common destiny embodies an absence of “opposing ethnocentrism.” Is Ravi willing to truly join us, to intermarry etc.? If so, why should I reject him if he is already here?
But Ravi, if you aren’t willing to do that, should I view you with suspicion?”
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Most immigrants that come here are incapable of issimilating into the dominant culture because their differing intelligences and personalities create entirely different risk/reward structures for them. For instance, the descendants of slaves have been here for hundreds of years and a significant fraction are unassimilated even today.
For these same reasons ntermarriage is also unacceptable for the most part because it often degrades the primary culture.
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“My criteria for immigration would be as follows
1) white
or
2) IQ of 115 or greater (one standard deviation above the norm)
Given your stated concerns, why are you comfortable with an “opposing ethnic group” just because it has a high IQ?”
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Because I know it will be a small slice of the pie and also rather disjointed and passive. IQ predicts more than intelligence, it also predicts the propensity for overly aggresive behavior and criminality.
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@buku
It is a matter of degree. A reasonable degree (which is not what we are now dealing with) of immigration can be assimilated. Relatively small numbers may change the overall makeup of the group slightly, but it can still remain one group, again, if the numbers remain small. At minimum, it is impractical to oppose this. There may be other reasons to oppose such a strict policy.
I infer you are concerned about “degrading” “IQ.” For the sake of argument, I’ll grant you your terms and your concerns. I’ve read that some Asian IQs are on par or higher than those of Europeans. If immigrants from those nations can be assimilated, is that satisfactory to you?
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@buku
Because I know it will be a small slice of the pie and also rather disjointed and passive.
Does the empirical evidence bear out that high IQ ethnic groups are “disjointed and passive”?
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“Most immigrants that come here are incapable of issimilating into the dominant culture ”
and what’s the dominant culture?
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“and what’s the dominant culture?”
For high functioning immigrants: Jews.
For low functioning immigrants: blacks.
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“For high functioning immigrants: Jews.
For low functioning immigrants: blacks.”
“Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it’s half Judaized, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together – a country where everything is built on the dollar?”
-A wise man
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@Whiskey
Whoa! You would say that to my face if I were in front of you? If so, I would not want to run into you in a dark alley.
@all others
For some others who are willing to let me in if my IQ is good enough, thank you. I won’t let you down.
To go back to my original comment, US always being a land of immigrants,
[Editor: False premise. The rest of your comment is now discredited.]
I wanted to know what should have been the cut off point. I haven’t received any answer to the question I posed. Should America be considered as an inheritance for the descendents of White males who came before whenever is convenient to you( you add your convenient date here)?
Somebody said, the settlers did not come in a boat( apparently they were parachuted). Going through the responses, majority of the comments seem to imply that the white male owns this land( not the native Indian, mind you) by some arbitrary measure. Some of you said that I hate Americans and the living, breathing now people are of no concern to me. Roissy seems to say that the Kennedy’s immigration act in 1965 is the death knell of the American Society( judging by the post he linked in the comments). Some commenters want India to be run over with immigrants and see how it feels to the natives.( A historic aside — India has been always run over with immigrants since centuries. The problem with poverty in India are manifold…but let’s not get into that now)
It would be very tedious to give answers to each of you, but let me try if this will open some minds who are willing to be open. First, as much as you express concern that there are limited resources and not everyone can be let into the party, did it occur to you that this is a potluck? Everybody brings something to the party. The immigrant is not here to squat on your property. He brings with him what is the ultimate resource — human capital. Aggregated, it’s worth a lot more than what he takes away. So the North European man built the country. Sure, he started building the country, but when did it stop? The foundations laid by our founding fathers continue today. In one past post, Roissy mentioned that one of the most important but neglected people here are the electrical engineers, the computer engineers, etc. I agree. These people are still building what is our nation, even today. The difference is they are not doing it with shovels. They sit, hunched over on their desks thinking about how to make your lives better( you know the drill…add self interest). The poor immigrants with no skills will still come and wash your dishes and mow your lawns. And so on. People are concerned that immigrants displace natives. In what way? In some cases, they may take your job by being prepared to work at cheaper wages. But how is it different from losing your job because of new technology? Should we all continue riding in horse buggies because adapting to the automobile means lost jobs for the people who clear the dung on the roadside? America is dynamic and some people think that is it’s fault. Not so. Whatever one may think, America today is a great place to live than the America some people are so hung up with. Sure, I am not a fan of the welfare state but that’s a different problem that should be dealt with separately. Which brings back the question, what should be the cut off point? How do we know we are not turning away the next brilliant Einstein? And even if somebody is not an Einstein how do we know he will not bring in more than he takes from here?
p.s.For all the ones who do not think human capital is the ultimate resource, please google the brilliant Julian Simon and read what he has to say.
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Hey guys, let’s be honest first: the economic drive is what pulls people inside your borders with all these multiculturalism propaganda being a mere coverage for greed. Just like slavery ended when slaves became too expensive (with all the freedom speech being the SWPL of the time), inmigrants enter your country because you can’t stop hiring them to cut costs. Want them away? Start shaming your entrepreneurs who earn millions by stuffing their factories with these people; stop buying those products even if it means paying more for a product made by genuine american hands. Without these measures, all pretensions of having a border covering the whole south are going to crash onto reality every time.
On a different topic, I’m not sure if single moms affording their own child care is bad per se (of course, they pretending to get additional incomes via the goverment or merely providing men is another story). Betas need to hear that if money is everything they were hoping to give to their bride, they deserve their state. Women matching them in their own field seems to be the way they might get it.
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Assimilation and common destiny embodies an absence of “opposing ethnocentrism.” Is Ravi willing to truly join us, to intermarry etc.? If so, why should I reject him if he is already here?
Whoa, easy there with encouraging miscegenation:
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So I was at the bar last night and there were two people sitting there trying to get hammered so they could stand each others company. Co-workers, IT for a big bank, somewhere in their 20s. The girl was decent, probably owing to her young age, and well dressed. The guy wasn’t out of shape or anything, but clearly had no sense of style. He was wearing a suit (to work in IT) that didn’t match, a point the girl chided him for since nobody in their department wears a suit and he’s not even a manager.
I had come in to have dinner and was sitting next to them. Eventually they started talking about online dating, which I got in on. The guy obviously was desperate for some pussy from this girl, probably one of the few he talks too (he’s as Asian male too, so he’s pretty much dead in the water). He was sure to agree with every damn thing the girl said, usually trying to one up her. He was also sure to point out how much money he spends on date’s (“should I pay for a girls parking if she drives up to the city to see me”). The girl wasn’t buying any of this suck up provider bullshit. She thought the whole parking thing was ridiculous. She complained about the “nerd brigade” messaging he when she put IT in her profile. She also complained about how a guy she’s seeing is always engaging in PDA, which she was worried about. When I told her it was a sign he was needy, she vigorously shook her head and agreed. My favorite conversation was about politics:
Me: This girl once messaged me to ask my political affiliation because she wouldn’t date anyone that disagreed with her. Is that not the most psycho thing you ever heard?
Girl: I don’t know, I’m very liberal, I don’t know if I could date someone that was totally different.
IT Guy (with positive giddiness): I know, I would never date someone that didn’t believe in gay marriage.
Me: Really? I’ve found most people are apolitical when you get right down to it. Strong beliefs require sacrifice, but your average person hasn’t had to sacrifice a damn for anything they believe in. Have you ever sacrificed anything for your strong beliefs? If you meet someone you really love, sacrificing them because they don’t agree with your abstract political opinions is a huge loss. In my experience people just don’t do that.
Girl (self consciously defensive): Well, I mean I guess I could date a conservative person if they were a doctor or lawyer and made half a million dollars a year or something. I would never date one of those hick tea party members though.
Me: So basically you would date Dick Cheney if he was young, hot, and had money. That’s some impressive gold digging right there, those strong beliefs just kind of melted away like I was saying. As for the tea party types, I haven’t seen a whole lot of them on your average dating website. I mostly see a bunch of 20 something SWPL big city east coast yuppies, so I don’t think that part of your belief structure is going to get challenged anytime soon. In fact if you work and live in the city in a professional environment I’m guessing you haven’t interacted with a single tea party person in over a year.
Girl (blushing, nervous, positively puddy in my hands): I mean, I guess your right. You just have to get to know the person I guess.
(IT guy is basically dejected and dumbfounded at this point)
After that I asked for the check, and then she asked for the check immediately. There was much harangue over who would pay.
Girl: I had three drinks and you only had the one, let me get it (subtext, you can’t hold your liquor, pussy).
IT Guy: No, let me get the whole thing (please let me, I have money, I can provide).
Girl: No, that’s stupid, just let me do this (god I don’t want this chump getting the wrong impression).
A little more bickering that I didn’t get all of because I was leaving to go somewhere.
They work nearby so there is a decent chance I may see this girl again at the same bar when I have some time to stick around, and I might get to bang her. IT guy, by contrast, has no chance. He wants to be a provider so damn bad. He took a boring IT job for a mega corp to make money in the hopes that spending money on girls would get them to like him. He wears a suit to work everyday in the misguided hope it will somehow further this aim and make the few chicks he works with find him attractive. He’s even adopted a whole generic SWPL personality to get laid. And this average looking IT girl wouldn’t even give him the time of day. There are millions of this dude out there that would take a girl at the drop of a hat, but girls just don’t want them. They want guys who call them valueless gold diggers.
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“I’m not sure if single moms affording their own child care is bad per se”
pretty sure the wise man quoted above would differ.
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Those are some interesting observations about immigration javert. Your prescriptions all suggest that we are suffering from a collective action problem. What you leave out, oddly, is the most obvious prescription of all: laws. This is how societies typically address collective action problems so as to force individuals to make short-term sacrifices for longer-term gains.
Laws and their enforcement are our real problem (and opportunity), not so much these other things you mention, which are less practical. And we have immigration laws on the books. So why won’t the federal government enforce our laws? When a state tried to take up the slack, the federal government attacked it. Meanwhile, polls show very strong support in the country for immigration restrictions. And yet immigration (perhaps with criticism of Israel), is the third-rail of American politics. No one can touch it. Why is that?
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Ya, that will affect economics.
This is the entire mistake that betas as a group make. You vastly over estimate how much shame affects motivation.
Once upon a time social shaming was more powerful. That was when we lived in small groups. In our current anonymous society, people do whatever the fuck they want.
Shame entrepreneurs?
Same error of scale mistake. It’s like thinking Santa Claus can fill up all stocking in one night. The scale of the effect of social shaming is orders of magnitude out of scale with what you’d need to have the desired effect.
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hurst
im a big fan of the blog…
Yeah, sure you are.
…but you economic, political and racial posts are dumbfoundingly asinine. Stick to the game posts…you’re alienating your mainstream appeal and your core audience with drivel…
Translation: “This makes me uncomfortable so it can’t be true.”
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Some good comments on this msn article about Peace Corps lefty chicks being assaulted by their pets. the good ones tend to get collapsed…
http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/11/6624433-volunteers-peace-corps-insensitive-to-rapes-#comments
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“As women’s financial status rises to levels at or above the available men in their social sphere, they will have great difficulty finding an acceptable long-term partner. The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.”
Yea this is basically what happened to black people 50 years ago.
The Jersey Shore types are the beginning of the “ghetto-ization” of white people.
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[G.L. Piggy
[Editor: I know a mathematician who quit his day job to become a bartender. He said he made twice as much as a bartender and, oh yeah, he met his cute fiancee at the bar.]
Roosh tore it up as a bartender didn’t he? Working at restaurants, if you can get past the low status, isn’t bad work. If you are in your 20s and want to get laid this line of work is where it’s at. You are surrounded by young women in close quarters with plenty of opportunity to game them. High turnover means fresh pussy is shipped in almost as regularly as daily fish specials.
I don’t know how many people/economists/social scientists know about it, but cities are just filled with guys who work at restaurants, hang out all night, get laid relatively easily, and have basically checked out of the American Dream as it were. The problem now is to convince them a.) that this is OK and b.) that they shouldn’t lose their sanity from the pressure foisted on them by “society”.
[Editor: No doubt that service jobs can be a vaj boon for younger men in their 20s. It gets a little dicey for guys into their 30s though. But not impossible. In fact, the mathematician I know was in his mid 30s when he switched careers to bartending. (Bartenders do have greater social cachet than waiters, though, so if an older guy wants to enjoy the hedonistic life of service work he’d be wise to have a plan to move quickly up the ranks to bartending, sommelier or even managing.]]
Guys, where are some good cities in the USA for a 20 year old guy to live in if he’s just dead set on going for the bang?
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Beta male + high paying job = gold diggers
Alpha male + unemployment = hot slutty bitch
Thats my reality!!!!!!
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I think that immigration is a good thing if the immigrants contribute and add value to society. The problem I have is with black immigrants, for example, who come here to leech off the welfare, commit crimes, and possibly spread diseases.
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The assimilation of immigrants probably has more to do with how the immigrants raise their children, rather than the education level of the immigrants themselves. Over roughly the past thirty years (my entire life) there has been a huge wave of immigration from two equally poor peasant cultures: Latin America and Asia. Growing up in Southern California, 75% of all my friends were children of either Hispanic or Asian immigrants. Most Hispanics my age are now low-wage retail employees, low-wage laborers, or criminals, and only marry other Hispanics. Most Asians my age are now doctors, engineers, or business owners and are marrying whites in ever greater numbers. The difference between the home lives of these kids was amazing. The peasant Asians were constantly pushing their children to improve themselves and not shame their families by failing (family shame is really important in Asian culture). The peasant Hispanics, for whatever reason, never did anything to prevent their kids from failing in school and joining gangs (and letting their daughters get super-fat–walk around Santa Ana and you’ll have trouble finding a Mexican girl older than 13 who is under 200 pounds).
And the really fucked-up thing is that idiot American voters re-elect politicians who want the southern border to be wide open. There wouldn’t be a problem if we gave the Indians, Chinese, and Vietnamese a free pass to come here, because they would improve the culture.
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my thoughts on this dichotomy…
http://glitteringopprobrium.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/can-you-tell-the-difference/
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I think someone just got served….
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Poll here on the UK student room: Is It Time For A One World State?? Should Nation States Be Scrapped??
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1468686&page=5
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The white population is being phased out because it is no longer needed. We now have lots of Asian nerds to do the technical work, and plenty of blacks and hispanics to provide manual labor. And as always, major decisions will be made by the Illuminati. There is really no reason for us to keep whites around anymore.
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Many of you “economists” are trying to explain today’s lack of employment for reasons other than what experience has taught those of us who lived through the first Obama administration, 1977-1980. Starting with the late 1960s, through the early 1980s, anti-business politicians attacked business and the profits they make.
The auto industry was destroyed by the unions, and nearly recovered during the 1980s due to union-busting tactics. The target today is energy producing companies.
So long as those in charge can claim that “profits are obscene” businesses are going to be hesitant to make profits that draw a bull’s eye on their back. Without making profits, they are not going to expand.
But, one wonders how certain companies, namely useless social networking and search engine owners can avoid the ire of the liberal political machine. One would instinctively assume it is because they support liberal politicians, but that would not explain the attack on Microsoft in the late 1990s. I think it has more to do with insignificance of being a threat to liberal political control and it’s usefulness as a liberal tool. (Though Gates is clearly liberal, until he married, he was his own man, and not the lapdog of politicians. Zuckerherb is so much a lapdog that he gave the president his own Q & A online, completely controlled by FB. Loogle purposefully directs searches to sites that are more liberal.)
Since business is afraid to make a profit, they will not hire more people. More people means more production, and greater production means greater profits.
Guys, being someone who has lived through this before, I make this prediction. It is based on experience, a clear understanding of economics without being bogged down by bothering to worry about the intricate details that bog down economists who follow trends based on limited algore-rhythms of their gurus, and an IQ of 157.
If our society avoids total breakdown in the next two years, we will vote in a Reagan-like president, and hopefully a Tea Party strong Congress. This will be a welcome boon to business.
It will take a couple years for businesses to crawl out from under their rocks to see that libtards are not hurlings anti-profit boulders at them. In four years, this country will be a places where a man’s swrat will be worth it’s weight in gold. However, a woman’s perspiration will be worth little more than the fingernail polish she applied at her receptionist job.
Those that have money, hold onto as much as you can, with more than ususal investments into precious metals and industries that produce the basic goods of modern society. Then, in two years, slowly sell these for investments into startups that hopefully will provide the nuances that make life worth living and manufacturers of the basic goods needed to fuel a growing economy.
Those who do not have money, survive any way you can. Avoid bringing out your great idea for two years. Wait until people who have money are not scared to make more. Work in the service industry because that is the only place you will find work that will reliably be around for the next two years.
Both the have and havenots of money should invest some time getting familiar with there firearms. This is a hedge, in case our country is too far gone. That way, you will have the means to make your way to where society has not been destroyed…
…Now, the question is, where is a man still allowed to be a man, and be rewarded for being one? Saudi Arabia? Australia? Israel? Africa? (BTW, a man without a gun is a man without a dick.)
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The signs of decline are gut wrenching.
Even the leader of Iran knows the America’s fiat currency is a joke. He said so this week and the Americano media ignored it.
By the way, it would hearten all the open border types to know that the Dream Act still has legs. Despite what the people say, (no more open borders) those in power ignore us and continue to try to pass this monstrosity of a bill.
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Part of the reason that the working class in the US has been decimated can be attributed to Trickle Down Economics that came into full force with the Reagan administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
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Anonymous
Part of the reason that the working class in the US has been decimated can be attributed to Trickle Down Economics that came into full force with the Reagan administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
You sir, are a moron.
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Mucius Scaevola: the new face of pick-up-artistry!
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ironic isn’t it
the white supremacist support to a jew blogger
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The policies that this country’s alpha men originally set as our foundation for prosperity have become severely diluted by betas who claimed their power under their fathers’ surname. These are men whose only way to acquire the feeblest tail was to place it on the highest pedestal possible: federal or state law.
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People who talk about “X destroying the middle class” usually have no idea about what they’re talking about. Especially when they seem to be looking back wistfully at Depression Era soupline or post WWII-last-country-standing economics.
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@Suggar&Tea
You are equating opposition to immigration with “white supremacism”? I think that would make almost everyone in the world a “white supremacist.”
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Obama: States NOT ALLOWED to Enforce Immigration Laws
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0c63abc741fff5c4813d80e0a&id=d8334d0194&e=8b6f594bd3
There were times when any politician did that and they were accused of treason and put to jail. Now, you swear to the public office and take an oath to protect and uphold the constitution, and then can loot and pillage the people and the resources.
America is full of idiots. That’s why his approval is over 60% right now.
[Editor: His approval rating isn’t over 60%. That number was based on a flawed survey done by the leftie AP which skewed heavily Democrat in its sampling.]
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“Two identical resumes, one with a female name and one with a male name, were sent to a number of employers. The female resume got 4x the number of offers as the male one.”
Naturally. Here’s my perspective as a 40 year old guy who works in a management position at a company where I make hiring decisions. All things being equal we prefer young female associates to males. And it’s probably not hard to guess why – the young women don’t give attitude, they are generally more diligent workers and less likely to waste time on fantasy sports or net surfing, they are easier to cow into submission, and they are more pleasant to look at. In my experience women are almost always less ambitious and less creative, but when you need to fill a cog in a corporate machine a woman is usually a much better fit than a man.
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@Ravi,
The cutoff point on legal immigration is today. Nobody flinches from saying that. Does that bother you? Why?
As I said, the more people in this country, the less land, water, food, oil, and space to go around. These are precious, highly-sought-after, finite resources. If you see yourself as part of our nation, your natural impulse should be to husband those resources.
Let the “next Einstein” grow up and reside in India, if such a person happens to be Indian. It’s not fair of us to rob India of its “human capital” anyway. We have plenty of talent here already among all of us. We shouldn’t be so greedy.
In any event, given the ease with which ideas and information move around the world today, there is all the more reason for human capital to remain in place. We don’t need to import 50 million immigrants in order to produce one Ravi Einstein. We can acquire Ravi Einstein’s knowledge from the Internet.
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hurst
im a big fan of the blog but you economic, political and racial posts are dumbfoundingly asinine. Stick to the game posts…you’re alienating your mainstream appeal and your core audience with drivel…
who the hell wants to “appeal?” that is consensus, not truth
appeal is for women and sycophants, men seek the truth
the fact that you cannot see the connection between game and these posts means you lack understanding
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What about white eastern european? There culture is just as different and a lot of them are meathead thugs. If they’re you’re immigrants, it’s not going to be much different.
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@jim,
We don’t want any more immigrants. We don’t need any more immigrants. We don’t discriminate.
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How so? The Whites colonized here but that still makes them immigrants to America.
[Editor: Colonists and settlers aren’t immigrants. There was no government or state entity when the English arrived, and so there was no nation or system to immigrate to. It was a property-less land inhabited by relatively primitive tribal hunter-gatherers in nearly constant war with each other. The state and all its institutions, including the concept of immigration and the bureaus designed to handle immigrants, were built from the ground up by Anglos.]
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Northern European men did not “roll over and die” it was Northern European women who went whole hog for open borders/PC/multi-culturalism/liberalism because … White Women by and large … HATE HATE HATE beta males. And no one does beta males more than White guys. OF COURSE White women want Alpha males getting away with everything and beta males just crawling away to die.
There’s an argument to be made here that this is all one great big humongous sh*t test by womyn to determine who are the alpha males. Since too many Western men have rolled over on this one, Western womyn are migrating (internally) towards the more dominant third world invaders. One can imagine such womyn as Roman matriarchs deciding that Horst the Visigoth is a better candidate for a genetic donation than Flaccidus Sensitivius. Better to reign in the top barbarian’s harem than serve a Beta marriage, eh?
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Tmason/Ravi,
Let me see if I have your argument:
1. If a person has an ancestor who once moved from elsewhere to the territory now inhabited by that person, that person is an “immigrant.”
2. An “immigrant” (as so defined) has no standing to oppose the entry of foreigners into the territory that the “immigrant” inhabits.
3. All Americans have an ancestor who once moved from elsewhere to the territory they now inhabit.
4. Therefore, all Americans are “immigrants.”
5. Therefore, Americans have no standing to object to the entry of foreigners into their territory.
Do I have it, more or less? I take it that, since whether you ascribe to the prevailing tenets Evolution, Creationism, or Anthropology, everyone in the entire world except a subset of Africans in a small part of Africa are “immigrants” (so defined), then you think that no one has a right to oppose entry into their territory by foreigners. And not even that small subset of Africans in a small part of Africa have such a right because they are occupying what is the true “homeland” of all of us.
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Small correction: Under Creationism, I suppose that our homeland would be somewhere in Mesopotamia. The argument runs the same, however.
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Hey – thanks: your revealing your “American Model” of corporate success has really aided in the USA (Fuck Yeah!) kicking the snot out of those feminist Red Chinese businesses.
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@Suggar and Tea:
I don’t think Roissy is Jewish.
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Yup, I think the USA was filled up enough at right below the 300 million mark. We’re closed, thanks for applying.
Good point by the host, the first Americans were settlers. They came here as subjects of their king. After the revolutionary war, everyone else was invited to come at their own risk.
My family may only have been here for 100 years but we bought in.
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Watch “The Kid Stays in the Picture” about Robert Evans (the man who basically created modern Hollywood) if you want to see the story of a “natural” alpha.
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Dear prospective immigrants, we can probably work something out, a SWPL for citizenship swap. Find a spoiled white girl who threatened to move to canada if Bush or McCain were elected and maybe we can take your place as long as (a) you aren’t one of these new immigrants that got all pissy because people celebrated bin laden’s death or (b) you don’t think Che is awesome. America needs new patriots in the scotts irish tradition.
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A quote from the “Family Guy”
If this is going to be your argument against immigration, I don’t have much to say.
[Editor: Quoting family guy to prop up your pro-open borders stance is hilarity in itself. You’ve said enough already.]
This is just post-hoc explanation.
[Every historical explanation is post-hoc.]
Because the Anglos arrived and setup a state and an apparatus, it is all right to displace the natives?
[Was it OK for the natives to displace the natives before them? Like another commenter said, if you wanna play this “natives were here first” game, then you can go all the way back to the first homo erectus tribes in and out of africa as the original settler stock. Then that leaves you in the uncomfortable position that every nation on earth should, as a moral imperative, throw open their borders to all and sundry.]
The property of primitives suddenly becomes, a property-less land?
[I wasn’t aware indians invented and upheld the concept of property rights.]
You seem to say that since the settlers were here first and setup the institutions, only their descendents have rights to all of the territory
[He who makes the nation, sets the rights. Or: May the best culture win.]
— never mind, the original territory has expanded with time to what we now call the United States.
[It was expanded by primarily anglos to the west coast.]
My circle expands to all human beings who embody the American ideal,
[Jesus, you are a fuckin caricature. Describe this American ideal, and then when you’re done with that, describe how you will guarantee that the human beings and their extended families who immigrate here embody that ideal.]
yours seem to limit that to descendents of the Anglos.
[Nations are codified ethnicities. As a result, a nation’s people share certain cultural and genetic traits. A nation operates best when it is composed of a majority of the ethnic stock that founded and built it up from the ground. It can accommodate a certain percentage of dissimilar foreign stock without breaking, but anything over that maximum amount and trouble brews — the nation becomes less of what it is and more of what the dissimilar immigrants are. In the US’s case, that means large swaths of it become more like Mexico and all that entails.
Back of the envelope calculations suggest that 80% majority native stock and 20% dissimilar foreign immigrant is a workable ratio.
The US was founded by anglos and built by a close genetic and cultural kin combination of english, scots, germans and to a lesser extent italians, irish and polish. Immigration policy should favor people from these regions if America as a historical identity is to survive in the form which catapulted it to world-bestriding power. That does not mean it has to entirely exclude people from other lands, but they should be a smaller percentage that what we have today.]
You may think the building of the nation ceased at some arbitrary point.
[Stop putting words in my mouth. Building != more people.]
My opinion is the building doesn’t stop ever.
[Hey, good for you! Now let’s topple that strawman.]
Progress is endless and the more people come in, they continue to improve our state of being
[Improve? You do realize that progress is not inevitable? And that the addition of more people could just as easily result in deterioration as improvement?]
as long as we live, passing on to the next generations( Yes, there are destructive forces too, and these externalities have to be dealt with).
[Explain in detail how you would deal with these externalities that doesn’t require the leverage of a welfare apparatus or forced integration.]
I am as much a fan of the Enlightenment thinkers as you possibly are( I don’t know you personally, neither do you know me personally. It’s just an assumption). I believe in Locke’s natural rights. The leftist ideology that pervades the American society today is a complete anathema to me. I am one of those who strongly believe that the British did a fabulous job setting up western institutions in India before they left( although the maintenance of the legacy was mediocre in India and a failure in Pakistan). To me, the vision of the founding fathers of America is a constant amazement.
[The founding fathers were all white english. That’s more important than you may like to contemplate.]
Now, coming to the policy on open borders my opinion is it is more beneficial to the country as a whole .
[Since the 1965 kennedy sponsored naturalization act, has the US become stronger, weaker or neither? Multiple indices requested.]
I know you disagree with that line of thinking and you indicate that negative externalities outweigh the benefits. Maybe, maybe not.
[The evidence doesn’t allow you this evasive ‘maybe, maybe not’ maneuver. The addition of 50 million mexicans has indeed been bad for the US on a host of metrics, measured either directly or indirectly in the form of, for example, higher housing prices caused by white flight to gated communities to get away from the diversity.]
If your vision of America is something of an unchanged demographic comprising basically of descendents of white settlers,
[Again, putting words in my mouth. Managed demographic is not the same as unchanging demographic.]
where, in spite of embracing the ideals of America, I am seen as a foreigner because of my skin color,
[And finally we get to the wailing skin color violin. Oh listen to its dulcet notes, its brooding tempo. Fall under its musical spell as it lulls you into a deep deep mental sleep, where all logic, reason and common sense escape through ear portals to be displaced by cringing obeisance before the great racial rainbow of love, coming soon to an urban center wall mural near you.
Newsflash: that tune ain’t gonna play here.]
I don’t have much to say. I am probably among the wrong circle of friends.
[Individual preferences and good societal policy should not be conflated.]
It is in people’s nature to point to Malthusian arguments where there are limited natural resources and people have to be curtailed.
[National decline is not a Malthusian argument, although it could be.]
We worry that the new people may take our way of living.
[Sometimes worry is justified and not just an excuse to snark like a leftie Jon Stewart or Colbert. Thought experiment:
If India had an open borders policy and 1 billion Chinese decided to take advantage and immigrate to India, would India be
a. just as much, or
b. less
like India?]
I implore you to read Julian Simon on why it isn’t so.
[The two most important considerations in any immigration policy are numbers and quality of immigrant. Too many worthless, antagonistic or ungrateful immigrants and the country that takes them in will dissolve into a shadow of its former self, becoming less liveable for the native occupants by the day. The US has a problem in that it has taken in too many, and too many of those do not, and in point of fact *cannot*, abide the American ideal.]
To explain the whole philosophy in the comments section of the blog is rather difficult. You kids have to do your homework and then come back with arguments against Julian Simon if you have some.
[Fuck Julian Simon. This is about territorial pissings, it always has been and it always will be, and no amount of libertardian rhetoric is gonna change that uncomfortable fact of human nature.]
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Polite, liberal society seriously underestimates the impact the Pill, abortion and women’s financial independence has had on the labor market and employment levels.
Steve Sailer says:
One important fact that is almost never talked about is that African-American fertility rates fell sharply in the 1990s, and that, basically, nobody is unhappy about that. The problem is that virtually nobody talks about why that happened. It’s not the kind of thing you are supposed to study for lessons about how to reduce Mexican-American fertility down toward replacement levels. My vague impression from what readers have told me is that spread of the Depo Provera shot was not unimportant in the 1990s decline of black fertility. That sounds a lot simpler than sending everybody to college. But, you aren’t supposed to know this kind of stuff; so who knows what really happened?
As Steve suggests, transmitting the values of the above mentioned changes on to Hispanic (and Arab) society would be a useful thing.
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what a sack of shit
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Nahhh – more than anyone, THEY hate living near the blacks.
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Many people wishfully believe that women are propped up in the current economy, and without the artificial props, they would fall back economically to 1950s levels, thus making them properly reliant on men.
As you point out, the market has an invisible hand, and women are useful hires.
I hire women also. They are less likely to form competing startups, and smell nicer than men.
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On the immigration question, what is “alpha” about surrendering your territory to foreigners?
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The greatest recession since the great depression has resulted in real wages being lowered.
Coupled with an increase in the federal minimum wage….
Unemployment benefits for 2yrs straight (the 99ers)….
Uncertainty about health care
Uncertainty in general over what new taxes will come next or what the Fed will do has lowered risk-taking aka hiring
Regulations
This almost entirely explains the unemployment rate. The economy has to be restructured during the recession and different workers need to move to different sectors and out of unproductive ones. However, many incentives remain for employers and employees not to hire or get hired.
For the most part I want the border shut down, but immigration or women or the workplace have little to do with unemployment.
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@Leif
Real wages have been falling for the past 30 years.
Do you really think the 50 million aliens who have entered the country in the last 20 years have “little to do” with the labor market?
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Ravi’s arguments come down to:
a. population replacement
b. we want your nice toys
c. you white people suck, therefore point a is super awesome.
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Ravi appears to be saying that the people inhabiting the United States (or inhabiting any country) do not have the right to have borders. That’ll work well.
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Dear god:
http://strangebeaver.com/2011/05/really-bad-maternity-pictures/
Yes, I realize they have reproduced, but dear god.
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It is a rare plot of land that hasn’t been conquered and re-conquered.
No one has any “right” to land. As mamals we are territorial, and once on a territory are possessive. Human animals use strange concepts to rationalize this feeling. “Land Rights”.
Territory is usually gained through war. I stole it therefore it’s mine is as right as it gets.
And that’s enough.
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This is good. Now we’re getting somewhere.
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re: TG
“Yea this is basically what happened to black people 50 years ago.
The Jersey Shore types are the beginning of the “ghetto-ization” of white people.”
I wouldn’t say the beginning. Jersey Shore kids arn’t doing anything new. they’re a sptting image of the general kids on most of staten island, a lot of Long Island, few neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens. Basically the whole tri-state area has had kids like this for decades. In cities – cities that still have somewhat of a middle class remaining – white people have BEEN ghettofied
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Some arguments against Julian Simon:
–More people mean less land to go around.
–More people mean less water to go around.
–More people mean less finite natural resources, like oil, to go around.
–More people mean more demand for foreign imports, such as oil.
–More people mean less space for everybody.
–More people mean less food to go around, in the long run (after we are beyond the artificial and unsustainable bump from the pesticide-, monoculture-, oil-fueled increases from the Green Revolution).
Did Julian Simon’s philosophy find a way to “rebut” these laws of nature?
And by the way, did Julian Simon advocate for non-Jewish immigration into Palestine?
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“Fuck Julian Simon.”
not my gender, plus dead.
he’s both more amused and more masterful than the host is on this topic however
[Editor: Only nerds live passionless lives.]
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phil
nice scarcity mentality
i hear chicks dig that shit
[Editor: Sometimes scarcity is a reality.]
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Julian Simon was a Zionist. Not atypically, he followed the well-worn script of “Open borders for thee, Jewish state for me.”
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Chicks dig resources, desiderius.
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“On the immigration question, what is “alpha” about surrendering your territory to foreigners?”
that you aren’t flummoxed by a competitor? “Let’s you and him fight”?
“Real wages have been falling for the past 30 years.”
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/12/let-women-work.html
If young women were mostly mothers, “rowdy immigrants hurting mah babies” would have been the most common hysteria and not the wage-gap. You need the right sort to keep the democracy from spilling its brains out.
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“Did Julian Simon’s philosophy find a way to “rebut” these laws of nature?”
no, he was content with mere facts
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-364es.html
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Where did Julian Simon stand on the Jewish State, desiderius?
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Why did Julian Simon’s ideas fail over time? They were dependent on a very short time frame, a brief window of economic history. When Simon bet against Ehrlich on the price of commodities in the 80s Simon won, yet if he had made the same bet in, say, 2000 or 2005 he would have been trounced.
He won only because of pure luck in being in a specific position within a commodity macrocycle.
Simon later did lose in another bet based on his ideas about timber prices before he died. Timber prices did go up significantly.
Commodity prices are going up now. What this means for Simon’s work in the future is the obvious: His work only worked for a short time period. Applications of his theories certainly wouldn’t have worked in the last ten years.
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Whatever, shortages or no, overcrowding or no, it’s the society and social structure that matter. And the open borders crowd want to change America’s society.
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I’m on Roissy’s side.
There’s always an influx of effete shrieking twatbags when economic/political posts come up, slinging pathetic ad homs and shaming language devoid of real content or intellectual honesty. Tedious.
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I haven’t been able to find anything in Julian Simon’s vast oeuvre in which he advocated for a return of Palestinian refugees to their homes in Israel. Let me know if I missed anything.
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So many comments to respond to.
In regards to white colonization a couple of notes:
I agree that under Roissy/Chateau's line of thinking whites would not be immigrants but what we consider native americans were still displaced, primitave tribal hunter/gatherer's and all. At this point questioning what is right/wrong is useless, as if colonization DIDN'T happen it is pretty fair to say that the US would not exist period AND there would be far more dictatorial rule (the founding of the US was a huge catalyst for world revolution at the time).
I will say that some of the current mixing, especially between blacks/whites, was not by choice. Blacks were brought in chains. This is important to note with the 80/20 rule (80% native pop. / 20% foreign pop.) that Roissy/Chateau brought up. The Blacks at least can have just as much of a claim to this nation as the whites. Blacks got whipped for that right.
[Editor: Blacks are a special case for America that Europe doesn’t have. They were brought here against their will. (Although would it be poor form to note that not many of them would want to go back to Africa now?) But an obligation to them does not necessitate an obligation to throw open the borders to every non-white with working legs.]
As for the current events in regards to immigration, I do fall under the controlled immigration line of thought, but doing so under racial/cultural lines will be problematic in our current state. (There is no way 50 mil. people will be displaced from here, so let's end the dreaming.)
[It isn’t dreaming. It’s got historical precedent. Severely punish employers for hiring illegals and anyone in their extended families (including kids born here to automatic citizenship) and completely strip them of access to any welfare benefits. Some will starve in the streets, of course (which I have no problem with), but most will give up and find their way back home.
And if that doesn’t work there are always cattle cars.]
The only thing I can realistically see happening is a combination of a new industry with a massive effort to curtail existing immigration rates. There are a few glimses of hope (nano-technology and energy industries) so for the first part I am optimistic, even if others are not. As for curtailing immigration, a mixed bag. The bad economy seems to be doing some of that already. My hope on the latter is dimmer but still there.
[There needs to be a four-pronged effort to restore the chance that america will see bright days again.
1. a 20 year immigration moratorium. it’s been done before and it can be done again.
2. a southern border wall. (funny how we don’t need a northern border wall. now why is that? rhetorical.)
3. a national effort to remove as many of the illegals as we can that have settled here in the past 20 years.
4. a repeal of the 1965 act and a return to sanity with a focus on accepting immigrants predominantly from europe, with allowances for immigration from non-european countries. The ratio should be 80/20 or thereabouts.
does anyone seriously doubt this plan will help set america back on the path to greatness?]
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“The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.”
I’ll nitpick here and say that most male corporate dropouts do not turn into Roosh but into guys who give up on both work and women.
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@Hurst
Go back to thefrisky or Salon of Huffington Post you fucking fag.
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Anyone who imagines Game, racial trends, immigration, and the most important field of study, economics aren’t related is poorly informed.
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New academic research on the costs of immigration:
“Rising diversity within human societies tends to drive people apart, causing them to take sanctuary in individual pursuits and ethnic communities. The practical consequences are reduced public altruism or social capital, evident in falling volunteerism, government welfare for the aged and sick, public health care[v]and a general loss of trust.[vi] Ethnic diversity is second only to lack of democracy in predicting civil war.[vii] Globally it correlates negatively with governmental efficiency and prosperity.[viii]
“Thus the thrust of accumulating research in several disciplines indicates that unrestricted mass immigration would be disastrous for wealthy countries.”
https://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2010/6/the-misguided-advocates-of-open-borders
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@Editor,
The inflammatory rhetoric makes it difficult for someone like me, who agrees that mass immigration is a slow moving disaster for the United States, to ally with you. Dying in the streets? Cattle cars? I don’t think any of that is desirable and I don’t think there are many people who could get behind a policy that included such things.
[Editor: You said nothing would work. I offered something that would work. If it gets your pubes in a fluff, just triangulate. It worked for bubba.]
How about we start enforcing our laws, enact stricter ones (moratorium on essentially all legal immigration), build a fence, and let things adjust over time?
[…and kick out as many of the 30-50 million illegals already here. Ya just need to come to jesus on that one thing and then you’re cooking with gas.]
And provide some humanitarian support and incentives to help lawbreakers return to their countries of origin?
[Bleeding heart, heal thyself. We owe nothing to invaders but a frogmarch back to their homelands. If some of them die along the way, well, analogous to what I say to single moms, spinsters and other assorted losers whining about the unfairness of life…
ya shoulda thought of that before you jumped the border.]
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Not many is an overstatement. Probably less than 500. No kidding.
Historical precedent in the US? If not, under which context?
A few adjustments:
The physical wall would be useless. Too many ways to bypass.
[Editor: Perfection is the enemy of the good. If a wall cuts down the inflow by 50%, it works. More likely, it would cut it down by upwards of 90%]
Perhaps just follow more of Arizona’s lead and enable all law enforcement (down to even Transit/Metro/Subway police) the ability to send folk straight to the INS. This would be tied into the national effort you mention.
[Good idea, but this assumes the INS is on the American citizen’s side. A dubious proposition at best these days.]
On allowances, I would allow all educated people (where we determine the accredited institutions) in pending full background checks and deny sending money outside of the country that is more than 5% of total income for that year (adjusted to prevent fraud/etc.). Also, require residence in this country for a minimum of twenty-five years or more to recoup costs. We could use the engineers/scientists/doctors here vs. anywhere else.
[I’ve got no problem with a small allowance for productive, educated immigrants regardless of where they’re from. Although the internet and telecommuting kind of negates the need to have them physically imported here.]
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The double-standard folk apply to Americans is staggering. My guess is that these bleeding heart types think they are better and thus their “help” is somehow different and will change the folk coming in. Don’t they get that the incoming people could give less that a flying fuck what happens to the people here or the help given?
They’ll take all of the help, take over the country, and shove these dumb fucks out on the street to take their houses *ever so nicely*.
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@Tmason,
I was referring to helping them return to their countries of origin, not in entering and setting up shop in our own.
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Faster to change the INS and get something working there than build a wall. Cheaper, too.
True, but I was also thinking of getting the good folk over here for competitive purposes. Keeping talent remains a elusive goal for any enterprise large or small.
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@Philip
The *help* you would need to give them would be endless. Poor souls can’t return to nothing in their home countries, right? We will basicallybe moving our welfare systems out of the country (aka Pakistan/Iraq/Afghanistan).
Send them home. Let them deal.
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Faster to change the INS and get something working there than build a wall. Cheaper, too.
We can do both. Our soldiers will need something to occupy themselves with when they come back from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia…
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Today’s society with its guaranteed welfare cheques put men in a position where they do not have to take risks. This is unnatural and out of step with the previous however many years of human beings. In the past a man had to go out and get a job to feed his family – what ever he could do, he had to – otherwise they would all starve to death and his girl would leave him.
Nowadays those who stay on welfare, or benefits as we say in the UK, mostly copulate with others on welfare which is endemic of the fact that large swathes of society have no drive to climb the social ladder as their idiotic brains are happy and sedated with £50 a week and a free ghetto apartment.
If you’ve got the smarts the jobs are there…
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This is heartless, don’t you know that the only people on earth with moral agency for their actions are republicans, everyone else blamelessly jumps off of cliffs because of them.
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Ravi — Yes I would. In fact, I’ve said the same thing in real life to people. IF I was in India, I would be there as a guest. I would no more presume to tell Indians how to live their lives, order their societies, or accommodate millions of White guys than I would at Buckingham Palace tell the Queen to order her household. It is not only insanely rude, but out of place. I am not and never could be Indian. You are not and never will be American. I am content to let Indians live as they wish in India (I would never want to live in that hell-hole) and would on the whole prefer it greatly if Indians simply went back to India if they do not like it here. America survived just fine without millions of Indians.
America is no more “a land of Immigrants” than India is. I don’t see Indians calling for importing half a billion Africans. Get back to me when you absorb all of Nigeria. Really. [At any rate, it is not 1870 anymore, with an empty continent, a need for strong backs and little else, factories booming, and immigrants homelands distant and communication with impossible.] I find it amusing when Indians, Chinese, Mexicans etc. lecture Americans on the need to accept the world when they themselves react with horror at the world coming to their lands.
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In regards to the relationship of economic theory to game:
http://www.snopes.com/love/dating/golddigger.asp
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Game is so useful. That’s awesome.
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I don’t need to convince you that the white mans lack of native ancestry in the Americas is justification for allowing immigrants to come here en masse, and often illegally. We’re here because we saw what we wanted and took it. The “natives” here before did the same, and also too each other. This is the way of the world and nothing can change that. I’m here and I don’t want you here and if I can get enough people to feel as I do, we can stop you. Justice and fairness exist only in the mind. They’re nowhere to be found in reality.
“A bunch of immigrants came here legally a long time ago and did some good stuff therefor sit back and take it up the ass. Also, ummm Indians and stuff and small pox blankets teehee I can’t think for myself.”
Fuck yourselves.
Immigrants come here, refuse to learn English either at all or in an understandable manner so I can fucking conjugate a verb properly, send their money back to their countries or buy shit up from who the fuck knows who, all with their own countries in mind. This is what human beings do and only in this country is it tolerated.
It’s very simple. If you want your country to stay your country then control your fucking country. Allowing new people to come in and change it into their country is not the way to do that.
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@Editor,
Why is Ravi’s name “Ravi aka gorbachev”? Is he a foil or a caricature that you or a commenter created?
[Editor: Ravi sounds like Gorbachev’s evil twin commenter. (If you didn’t know, gorb is a regular commenter here who has professed strong loving feelings for open borders.)]
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4. a repeal of the 1965 act and a return to sanity with a focus on accepting immigrants predominantly from europe, with allowances for immigration from non-european countries. The ratio should be 80/20 or thereabouts.
does anyone seriously doubt this plan will help set america back on the path to greatness?]
There ARE NO IMMIGRANTS from Europe, where the brithrate is even less than in America. America has the highest birthrates left in the white world – and now, the largest debt too!
This all made good sense before cultural marxism undercut our birthrates with feminist ideology.
Now the only way is the “grey way”.
It is one big machine.
Feminism undercuts birthrates, while socialism drives up the debt. As the population falls due to birth rates, the only way we can afford to pay the debt is to import immigrants.
Thus the family, patriarchy, heridity, capitalism, nationalism, ethnocintricity, and Christianity are all subverted. All “pillars” which the Cultural Marxists said needed to be destroyed.
Lol! And people are still arguing over whether conspiracies exists!?!
It’s right out in the open, and called a government agenda, like making America “grey”, rather than white.
That Whiskey fella likes to deny Marxism, doesn’t he? How does he explain all this with his “movie theories”?
Even if it isn’t a conspiracy, one should still look at the results of what they predicted after ALL of these things happened, as they are currently happening.
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Roissy, which is more attractive to women: consulting or IBanking?
[Editor: Pimping.]
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Another CR update!
[Editor: A little less repulsive than the fat chick pic, I’ll give it that.]
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Posted before, but… Feminist left/libtardism goes overboard and f*cks everything up.
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Socialism is the visionary younger brother of an almost decrepit despotism, whose heir it wants to be. Thus its efforts are reactionary in the deepest sense. For it desires a wealth of executive power, as only despotism had it; indeed, it outdoes everything in the past by striving for the downright destruction of the individual, which it sees as an unjustified luxury of nature, and which it intends to improve into an expedient organ of the community. Socialism crops up in the vicinity of all excessive displays of power because of its relation to it, like the typical old socialist Plato, at the court of the Sicilian tyrant; it desires (and in certain circumstances, furthers) the Caesarean power state of this century, because, as we said, it would like to be its heir. But even this inheritance would not suffice for its purposes; it needs the most submissive subjugation of all citizens to the absolute state, the like of which has never existed. And since it cannot even count any longer on the old religious piety towards the state, having rather always to work automatically to eliminate piety (because it works on the elimination of all existing states), it can only hope to exist here and there for short periods of time by means of the most extreme terrorism. Therefore, it secretly prepares for reigns of terror, and drives the word “justice” like a nail into the heads of the semi-educated masses, to rob them completely of their reason (after this reason has already suffered a great deal from its semi-education), and to give them a good conscience for the evil game that they are supposed to play.
Socialism can serve as a rather brutal and forceful way to teach the danger of all accumulations of state power, and to that extent instill one with distrust of the state itself. When its rough voice chimes in with the battle cry “As much state as possible,” it will at first make the cry noisier than ever; but soon the opposite cry will be heard with strength the greater: “As little state as possible.”
– Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human #473
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@Rob,
Can you point me to where “Cultural Marxists” said that those pillars needed to be destroyed. I don’t even know what a Cultural Marxist is, incidentally. What’s the difference from regular Marxism?
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Socialism is tyranny with a smiley face button.
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A cultural marxist expands marxism from economics to everything… hence political correctness.
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“Our soldiers will need something to occupy themselves with when they come back from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia…”
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“They will instead emphasize the skills of ‘personality dominance’.”
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Not that I give a shit, but just for clarity:
1) I was never for open borders. I think we should slam the southern border shut hard.
What I said was: we need a sensible immigration policy. If we’re going to take in non-Anglos and non-whites, we need to take in smart ones. I’m a proponent of eugenics – hard-core eugenics, of the Promote Good Breeding / Deter Bad Breeding kind, not just the Deter Bad Breeding variety.
Smart Africans are smart. They’re fine.
2) I’m also a huge Anglo culture believer. *So long as others are willing to assimilate*, and become… English… then immigrate. See #1 for application.
3) Proportion: No need to invite the whole world. I’m not averse to the 80%/20% principle. Spice with the rice.
4) We have enough white/black American losers. The last thing we need to do is invite (or allow to enter) millions of Latin American losers. Sure, we need lawn cutters and phone cleaners – fine. Employ our useless shit-for-brain American whites, then. Lots of stupid to go around.
No need to import everyone else’s stupid.
Their doctors, engineers and scientists – bring them on.
5) Immigration: Throw up a system that uses point scores. I learned a bit about Canadian systems and they’re at least better than our non-existent system. If you’re going to get Mexicans, you might as well get the smart ones if you’re going to take any at all.
6) PA or Whiskey made a point. Cultures/races with hot women should be invited to bring them along. I’ll go with that, now. Nothing better than to shame our fat, lardy white cows with some actual female humans that men find attractive. Here’s hoping they don’t go native too fast.
And finally, to those who piss on libertarians (call me a nationalist libertarian – one who believes in good fences), like our esteemed CR or, say, where is Firepower about thesedays?, National Socialists or Marxists or feminist foreign-woman haters or screwheads of any description–
I give you my most carefully considered opinion:
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Don’t get too hung op on white birthrates. In effect, they are a correction to last century’s population bubble. think of it this way: 2030 Latvia or Italy will have as many native young people as they did in 1920. Just more old folk around.
As long as there is biological warfare aka immigration, they will all be fine. And if the present socioeconomic model requires a higher ratio of young to old, then the model needs to change.
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“As long as there is NO immigration..”
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I am especially opposed to high-IQ non-white immigration. One, they are not needed. Two, they do not bring high average female beauty. Three, at the high end they tend to form a hostile elite; ay the very least, a twerpish arrogance and contempt for average Americans.
So, no points, no Canadian system (which in any case gets circumvented with asylees and chain migration) fuck off with your IQ nerdorama, and start to question the premise that immigration is inevitable or necessary. It’s neither. Let young Americans have a future. Stop the biological warfare.
[Editor: I feel ya. I don’t want immigration policy to turn into an IQ nerdfest either, because then the open borders nutjobs will just say ‘hey, how about we let in 500 million chinese? they’re smart and industrious.’, conveniently leaving aside the fact that a culture is more than the sum total of its technoelite smart fraction.
Although, if forced to choose, (and we aren’t), then 50 million chinese probably would be a little better for the material heatlh of the US than the mess we have now. of course, materialism isn’t everything.]
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Modern empowered, entitled woman gets the WTF?! for her Marriage 2.0 BS…
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Part II…
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PA:
I am especially opposed to high-IQ non-white immigration. One, they are not needed. Two, they do not bring high average female beauty. Three, at the high end they tend to form a hostile elite; ay the very least, a twerpish arrogance and contempt for average Americans.
So, no points, no Canadian system (which in any case gets circumvented with asylees and chain migration) fuck off with your IQ nerdorama, and start to question the premise that immigration is inevitable or necessary. It’s neither. Let young Americans have a future. Stop the biological warfare.
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One of the most cogent comments ever written, PA.
How insulting to our country (America) to be told that the historical American People… its Founding Stock… should give away their hard-earned wealth and resources to aliens because of some asperger utopian ideology lyingly tells them so… cause foreigners ‘word hard’ and are ‘ambitious’. (You know, organized criminals are ‘ambitious’ and ‘hard working’ as well.)
Just as Pat Buchanan says, the American People were never asked by ‘their’ government if they wished to turn the land their ancestors built, fought and died for into a ‘job fair’ … ‘welfare office’ … or flop house.
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So, no points, no Canadian system (which in any case gets circumvented with asylees and chain migration) fuck off with your IQ nerdorama, and start to question the premise that immigration is inevitable or necessary. It’s neither. Let young Americans have a future. Stop the biological warfare.
Exactly PA – let’s start to question the premise that immigration is inevitable or necessary. It’s like Americans have been so deeply programmed that they don’t even realize that suspending immigration (1.5 million/year alien work visas a year in the midst of a terrible recession!) is an actual alternative. Whuuuuh? It’s like they’ve been drugged or something.
As anon put it earlier, “We’re closed, thanks for applying.”
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@ Phillip,
They were first identified by Antonio Gramsci in his Prison Notebooks.
He postulated that that Marx had not gone far enough in only identifying economics as the factor to deconstruct society, but rather that Christianity, Capitalism, Authority, the Family, Patriarchy, Hierarchy, Morality, Tradition, Sexual Restraint, Loyalty, Patriotism, Nationalism, Heredity, Ethnocentrism, Convention and Conservatism must also be destroyed in order for Marxism to work.
In other words, “Cultural” Marxism rather than the “Economic” Marxism that Marx had put forth – which failed to engulf the world.
You can read further introductory articles about this here:
Who Stole Our Culture? – William S Lind
Roots of American Culture in Disarray – Bill Woods
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If anyone really wishes to deceive themselves into thinking that high(er) IQ immigration is a net benefit to the Historic, Founding Stock American People, particularly our (potential) native elites, please think again –
No wonder White Americans are being dispossessed not only from their former neighborhoods due to ethnic cleansing, but from each and every educational and career opportunity possible.
This bears repeating:
…One researcher has used government statistics to graphically demonstrate how whites are penalized at all levels of intelligence when earnings are compared to others in the same IQ cohort. …
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I’m proud of the fact that blacks have done better and have been treated better here in the US than anywhere else they’ve gone.
That having been said, diversity is a disaster.
Any nation has the right to pick and choose who it lets in. If we let in an unlimited number of people bring their “there” here then it won’t be the “here” that people want to come to anymore.
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Reality Check –
Even low-middle IQ minorities have it fucking MADE.
Jobs just handed to them.
I asked my boss the other day if he, as a man who has been around for a while (since the mid 1960s, to be exact…), has noticed a decline in the general quality of customer service and worker competence over the course of his lifetime.
He “yes, very much so”, of course.
I hope he figures out that was rhetorical.
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Julian Simon is just like the man-made global warming crowd. They look at two correlated trends and decide that there is causation. Nonsense.
Malthus was wrong because the industrial revolution allowed for an exponential increase in energy. We are not seeing an exponential increase in energy today; the information revolution is the tail end of the industrial revolution. Most technologies are looking at single digit improvements, even electric cars are only moderately better, even if they work as hoped. Information also requires intelligence, if you haven’t noticed that the information age results in skewed winners and losers, you haven’t been paying attention.
Simon uses examples such as Hong Kong and Israel. A bunch of high IQ people figure out how to build an economy on a rock/desert. No kidding.
The catch-up by China and others is just applying old technology to their backwards economy. These economies aren’t inventing the new breakthrough technology and there is no breakthrough technology (exponential).
We are at the limits of the Industrial revolution, the marginal returns on everything from health, education, science (R&D), energy, etc. all indicate declining marginal returns. We spend more and more money and get less and less benefit, to the point that education and health are actually destroying wealth, if we cut spending our net social return would go up. Society is in the position of pre-industrial society, increasing population (adding new immigrants or adding new economies) strains the existing resource pool.
People who follow Simon are pollyannas who are blindly assuming that because things happened this way before, they will happen again. But they miss the cause. Our future looks a bit more Malthusian than they believe, and the result is that scarcity will become a major problem in the coming decades. Given enough time, Simon is right, more people is better. But when you are in a bounded region, attempting to force population above societal carrying capacity will result in disease or resource wars. Only when you’re riding a massive technological breakthrough can you increase population and energy demand with no problem of scarcity.
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Roissy, I emailed you a while back (6 months or so?) but it probably got lost in the barrage. It was amusing, I accidentally stumbled upon a blog post from a washed-up feminist type who had given you quite a headache way back when; after I posted, hilarity and a hamster-spinning marathon ensued. Search for an email from this post’s email address if you’re curious.
Anyway, what do you think about Ron Paul, does he have a chance? I would love to see you make a post dedicated to your thoughts on him, as it seems to me he’s the only one who will take a firm stance on these invaders — who in a civilized country would be swiftly removed and black-flagged, if not sentenced to prison — with any chance of getting elected. We must get things moving quickly Roissy, assuming the madness hasn’t gone too far already.
I’m here in Taiwan studying Mandarin, and they’ve got a neat term for illegal immigrants — 人蛇 — Snake-people.
That brings me to another topic. Living abroad for all of my adult life since I graduated several years ago, you find a lot of people in Asia admiring the U.S. and wanting to visit, talking about how great it is. Each and every time I start off with a “well…” and ease off the lever slowly, ultimately explaining that their views of the U.S. are likely ripple effects of views describing an earlier America, not the one that currently exists.
After some initial back and forth, I then pose a scenario, phrased something like this: “Imagine I come into Taiwan [or wherever] illegally. Imagine I then start to reap the benefits of local Taiwanese taxpayer dollars, freely use your government services, refuse to learn your language, and generally violate every social norm you have. Then, realizing how great I have it here, I start to invite 1 million of my friends over to join the party. Every. Single. Year. Enough time passes and I’m dissatisfied. I want more. I *deserve* more. [At this point the America intrigue starts to wear off, replaced by a mixed look of terror and contempt.] I then start to rally together my compatriots and protest in the streets, publicly burning Taiwanese flags and cursing Taiwan from the heavens. How would your government react to this? [No response, just the glazed-over look.] Exactly. Well, ours *incentivizes* it.”
I will never go back to the US to live as long as being an American means nothing more than having a piece of paper. Not only that, I have to worry about taxes, while living abroad for Pete’s sake — U.S. expats are taxed abroad, because the Beast needs every source of funding it can get to support itself. I recommend this highly-informed 11-part video series to every American (read: non-illegal Alien who happens to be gracing us with his/her presence): http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/2009/05/08/video-the-promise-of-home-episode-1-the-greener-grass/
As one U.S. Navy General (I believe) in the video so aptly points out, if we don’t clearly define what it means to be an American, others will step in and do it for us.
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I can’t believe how stupid beta males are and how many are on this site. Look morons, no Alpha male allows any other male into his territory regardless of his race, ethnicity or IQ. See that lion up there? You know what he does to other males? He kills em–and their offspring, especially the male cubs.
You people need to wake up. men are always outnumbered by women–always. if you can’t get laid, there is something seriously wrong with you. i would suggest shit canning the computer games and buy a gun and go do something manly with it. Women want manly men, not sissies. I am often told by people who know me that I have lived a charmed life–charm had very little to do with it, luck absolutely nothing. I reserve most of my charm for the older doyens of society–their opinion matters, their daughter’s don’t.
lastly, stop looking for wives in damn bars!!! decent women do not hang out in bar–dumb sluts with father-daughter psycho-social issues hang out in bars, not women you want to marry. True alpha females (and their high end beta cousins) are not hanging out in bars looking for a mate. They do high end social things like going to the Opera, the symphony, the theater and, COCKTAIL PARTIES. If you were not born into this world, then you need to do some covert social climbing. Buy the oldest copy of “Emily Post’s Etiquette” you can find–old because those of us born into this world don’t need her book–we were living it when we were born. You need to evolve upward out of your sorry ass middle class existence.
[Editor: What about women who like to go to bars *and* opera *and* cocktail parties? There are a lot of them out there. In fact, I make those types of women my specialty.]
The lower classes have always suffered from promiscuous women and self destructive behavior. The only time this was not so was under Victorianism–an age in which bordellos flourished. And how was the chasteness of lower class women arrived at? Bad women were shunned by lower class men. Why? syphilis was the scourge of pre-antibiotic Europe. It made HIV look like a joke–hence Victorianism.
It wasn’t the pill that released women, it was penicillin. Beta males need to go back to shunning sluts, not lionize them. “Free Love” was a French Revolution concept co-opted by Marxists in order to bring down the primary political unit–the family.
Don’t believe me? go listen to Murray’s latest study on upper middle class white society–its over Sailer’s blog.
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A man who acquiesces to mass immigration into his territory is a submissive, feminized man. I suppose that Game mavens would call such a person a beta. If you’re beta on the foundational issues like immigration, that’s probably going to spill over into other areas of your life.
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@J.H.
Name dropping means shit, not to mention the presumption that there is nothing but the Austrian school. You also don’t even understand it. I would dearly love to now how the debasement of the currency has a fucking thing to do unemployment. Its the opposite. What it does do is steal. The FIRE economy is stealing wealth with currency debasement as a side effect. Since they can steal wealth they have no need to create real goods and services. That does not cause unemployment but mis-employment. Taxation also has no effect on employment. Only redistribution does. If you tax for the maintenance of natural monopolies like roads , you get full employment.
Oh yeah and I have read some of them. I have also read Quesney, Thomas Mun, Adam Smith, Ricardo, Marx, Keynes, and Malthus.
Quite frankly idiots who think they know all the answers with Austrian economics scare me since seem quite oblivious that gold standards resulted in depressions every time it was tried. Actually gold standards are quite novel and have never existed in antiquity which is one of the great lies I often here. Rome ran on copper with Cyprus being their biggest source and Europe ran on silver. In that case Peruvian mines debased it. Better that than a currency that can be monopolized.
Here is a name drop for you. Ever hear of Gresham? While some Mexican immigrants may actually produce wealth landscapers and redistribution jobs for women do not create wealth and are nothing but rubber nickels. Thus paper shuffling jobs are forcing real wealth creating jobs out of the economy aka following Gresham’s Law. Real work is hard.
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“he’s both more amused and more masterful than the host is on this topic however
[Editor: Only nerds live passionless lives.]”
Help me find the sequitur here.
[Editor: No non-sequitur. Nerds avoid drama and passion in favor of cold rationality. Passion is not incompatible with being alpha. Amused mastery and passionate engagement are present in all alphas. The two work in concert to offer the kind of unpredictability that women love.]
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[Editor: Sometimes scarcity is a reality.]
Heh.
Says the man who’s prime directive is spreading his virtual seed.
[Editor: That’s not my prime directive. Or yours. Unless you’re using a definition of the word virtual with which most people are unfamiliar.]
Both senses.
[Since when have I claimed that hot young women aren’t a scarce resource?]
We’ve all got our pretty lies that remain off limits.
[Yours seems to be that diversity-approved immigration of 50 million peasants will work out great for the US.]
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‘[Editor: What about women who like to go to bars *and* opera *and* cocktail parties? There are a lot of them out there. In fact, I make those types of women my specialty.]’
if they come from money, ‘we’ call that ‘slumming it’. guys do it too. my son, with his monthly trust fund stipend to support him, is currently slumming it. not sure why, but I suspect he wants to fit in better on a very liberal campus. His sister, at an all women’s Ivy League school, goes to 4 PM tea. She isn’t a snob, simply feels no need to apologize for her place in life.
Women who slum it may be just having fun, but I would make damn sure she has her own trust fund before I thought about marrying her–just in case daddy doesn’t like you. She may also have “issues”–be careful. Do a little research–“outofthefog.net” should be of interest to any man on the dating circuit.
Remember gentlemen, you can marry more money in 10 minutes than you can make in a lifetime. Just make sure you know what you’re getting into and make sure you have the balls to carry it off. Old money has been marrying money to preserve status/wealth since the Romans, it’s perfectly acceptable and some men have to shoulder the responsibility of marrying all those wealthy women with inherited wealth. After all, wealthy young women outnumber wealthy young men just like any other socio-economic group. And, remember this, unless reared by a strong father, most wealthy young men are punks when it comes to being manly enough to secure and hold a women of means.
As an aside, when I was in my youth, I discovered a nice little thing about girls who grow up in a cloistered environment–they love to compete with one another for “The One”. Just remember to never, ever brag about it or ever let on that you are engaging them thus. This is doubly true of sisters–and lord can they be competitive.
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RobertB: nice hear from a real Optimate. So, are you working on that “getting back on top” thing, or is Moldbug’s right and I’m just reading the words of a useless relic?
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@ PA–
Yes, PA, i and others I know are working on these issues–at least on a local level. Its done quietly from behind the scenes–this is necessary as, for more than 45 years now, the Left has vilified conservative money as being evil takers.
These efforts include the funding of lawsuits via “anonymous” donations to fund lawsuits blocking the construction of low income housing in traditionally white neighborhoods. The funding of very Right, low cost private schools. The funding of scholarship programs for private schools. The funding of programs which bus school children to special presentations of The Opera and Symphony. The funding of college scholarship to Hillsdale College in Michigan. These programs are not legally restricted to white children–but, by nature, they end up funding roughly 95-97% white children as they are not open to just any school but primarily the schools being funded. These schools have entrance exams which largely preclude black/brown participation.
The initial grant, for instance, to fund the education of poor inner city children in a town of 250,000 was 10 million dollars. The grant was made available through anonymous contributions. This fund will grow. Right now, it is keeping the education of roughly 600 children functioning. a secondary fund, primarily funded by my wife’s family foundation, provides funding for between 100 and 200 rural children in a town of roughly 50,000. Developing a 5 million dollar fund to create and install Caroline Bells in the North Tower of the St. Paul’s Cathedral. These bells would be the third largest in North America and the 5th largest in the world. If “we” pay for them, we can name them and dictate what is played on them–Christmas Carrols and Classical music. Why so important? In an area with a growing presence of Moslems, bells ringing out Western music that can be heard nearly everywhere in the city, is an affirmation of Western Man’s traditional culture. Imagine stepping out the door of a courthouse and hearing Handle’s Messiah ringing out–literally from on high, and ethereal affect on the average man/woman.
Its a start– it is hoped that it will become “fashionable” and attract more “liberal” money as well.
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By the by, PA, the take over of the Minnesota legislature by Republicans was largely funded a dozen families. It is the first time in more than 70 years Republicans have held both houses. It was a stunning defeat for the Left.
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@RobertB
If “we” pay for them, we can name them and dictate what is played on them–Christmas Carrols and Classical music. Why so important? In an area with a growing presence of Moslems, bells ringing out Western music that can be heard nearly everywhere in the city, is an affirmation of Western Man’s traditional culture. Imagine stepping out the door of a courthouse and hearing Handle’s Messiah ringing out–literally from on high, and ethereal affect on the average man/woman.
Its a start– it is hoped that it will become “fashionable” and attract more “liberal” money as well.
I’d be really interested in learning about this. It’s a fabulous idea. Get those church bells ringing in any area with Muslims. Make Christian life as public and as passively aggressive as possible.
And do it privately.
RobertB, if you have any more info on this, I’d love to follow it.
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econologists are useless fools. they’re like the high-IQ couple in the intro of Idiocracy:
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Gorbachev–
I can keep you posted. The bells are made in France. Their people are coming here in June to make a presentation to a select group of likely contributors. Each major contributor will be able to name a bell–there are over 100 in the complete Caroline. The bells, like the cathedral, will be there forever. No cathedral has ever been torn down–not ever. So, it’s major deal to have naming rights on something that will be there forever.
The bells can either be run via computer program or manually for a concert–yes, there are actually people who still pull the cords on these things as musicians.
This project was dreamed up by an old doyen whose husband’s family founded a town in Minnesota in 1830 while raping the forest for wealth–none of them have had to work since around 1870. They have several state parks named after them. This old money reasserting itself–reasserting Western Man. Her husband was one of my mentors. Truly a good and great man–very conservative. He took a shine to me as he got a kick out of my reactionary mentality while still in college–very different for that time period, very different. He and his wife (and thus their children) are enamored of high Western culture and believe in the need to not only preserve it, but spread it back into the common man’s day to day life.
The large number of bells makes the playing of classical music possible. Just imagine those Somalis at Christmas time hearing Gloria in Excelsis Deo where ever they go–just too damn funny. But it will also serve to inspire Euros and uplift them–make them have pride in themselves and their history. And just maybe, they may once again see themselves as the race that conquered and ruled the world repeatedly for the last 3,500 years. And when that hits home, they might begin to take pride in the idea that all of their ancestors were once Alpha males–compared to the rest of “humanity”.
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I have a theory that the gender-equality movement is fueled by business. Fifty years ago, a man with a stable job could support an entire family, and the woman was expected to stay at home and take care of the kids and dishes. But ever since someone sold women on the idea that they can be independent and self-sufficient, they undermined mens’ ability to earn a decent salary – I mean if you can have two people working for you instead of a single person, for the same amount of money – why not support it? If you take that, and the fact that a surplus in the labor force will pull wages down, you’ve got yourself a very attractive environment for business to run in.
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The issue with open borders to immigration is selectivity.
Assuming a demand for US citizenship, make them buy a home to be US citizens, serve in the army French Foreign Legion style or have a skill in demand. Why should we spend 300K to educate a doctor when we can poach them from India?
Instead, immigration is designed as a tool of eugenics/demographic change to create my clients for social services/left wing parties. This is why muslims and mexicans (two groups with poor assimilation rates) are imported with such vigor in the US and Europe.
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