Readers who grapple with the concept of alpha and beta sometimes point out that betas can’t be *that* disliked by women, since many of them do eventually manage to marry women on the depreciating side of their sexual market value. That’s true. Although betas struggle through their teens and twenties to get any attention from chicks star-struck by badboy alphas, they simply wait it out and land the chunky princess of their dreams when she’s nearing 30 and fretting about her expiration.
So, no, betas, while not exactly lighting a flame in women’s hearts, are not universally disliked by women. That distinction belongs to omegas.
What is the omega male? This is the man who is so physically or socially revolting that he actively repulses women from all strata of the sexual market. Even the fat chicks and frazzled single moms run away in fear and terror. The omega male is the man who cannot get ANY woman without paying for it, except the absolute filthiest, fattest and fugliest of the dregs. He is almost guaranteed to live a life of involuntary celibacy if he maintains any sort of standards for himself. When he decides that sexual relief is more important than standards, he will hook up with a waddling terrabeast sprouting wiry hair from a chin mole or a leprotic methhead who makes him look normal in comparison.
But why explain it when a picture can tell a thousand words? Behold… the omega male! (Omega female included at no extra charge.)

This photo is from a newspaper story about people who like to dress up and act like infants while they collect disability benefits from the government. (Data point #2,453,789 in the decline of America.) This omega male is nestling, Oedipally, in the blubbery boobies of his morbidly obese “girlfriend” who takes care of him as if she was his doting mother. He sips from a baby bottle and sleeps in an oversized crib (fashioned out of a piano case).
Losers like this are funny to laugh at until there are a lot of them, at which point the beauty is sucked out of the world and lawyercunts start to look like desirable girlfriend material.
I would have to say that for a guy like this, game will not help him. At least, not while a baby bottle is suctioned to his lips. News from the construction workers who had to reinforce their apartment floor with steel rebar is that neither of them has seen their genitals since middle school.

“News from the construction workers who had to reinforce their apartment floor with steel rebar is that neither of them has seen their genitals since middle school.”
Leave it to Roissy to find the silver lining!
Darwinian dead ends.
The only thing that could make it better would be to give them a one way ticket to a third world country.
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Some fun sites to peruse and watch in abject horror at how fat and worthless people let themselves get.
http://www.bigjohntoiletseat.com
http://www.oversizesolutions.com
http://www.amplestuff.com
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This cant be real…..tell me it ain’t real!!!! No way! There is NO way!!!! I mean, come on! No no no no!
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Dear god…
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Apparently even Time magazine is using the alpha/beta concept these days:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/17/the-caligula-effect-why-powerful-men-compulsively-cheat/
First time I have read the word “beta” used in this sense in a major publication.
[Editor: First they scoffed…]
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It speaks to the depravity of human nature. How can either of those two abide by the other??? Man, people can really be f—-d up, can’t they?
[Editor: Waiting for the equalist feelgooders to chime in with ‘there’s somebody out there for everybody’ in 1… 2… 3….]
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Interesting information to glean here. Perhaps he started out as simply beta and slipped into a downward spiral when so many different things conspired to make him an omega.
We need to start pulling the support systems out that enable folk like this to do nothing (yet who are fully capable to do something) and survive. Perhaps he will straighten up and actually start supporting himself, hence improving his situation as well as everyone around him.
Or he just withers and dies either via suicide or some other means. At this point it doesn’t matter. Think of the serious resources paid, not just in money but in time with all of the people around him trying to make him a better person.
Wasted.
The selfishness is staggering.
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Funny because in this case there is. Too bad they both need to drop off of the map. Unbelievable amount of waste.
[Editor: Yes, there will sometimes be an equally repulsive person who is willing to settle for an omega, but that doesn’t mean either of them want it, or that they chose freely. Market constraints, and all that. So the mawkish sentiment which claims ‘there’s somebody out there for everybody’ quickly loses its ego-assuaging power when it is stripped of the presumption that the parties involved are happy with their choices.
Another thought: If the dating market is filled with fat women and high value men, then the fat women will find it exceedingly difficult to get a loving partner, simply because the numbers of similarly loserish men without options aren’t high enough to support a thriving settler exchange.]
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Can you imagine how they would look like in the throes of passion? Like two hippos in a death-struggle.
She looks like his mother, by the way.
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WTF man
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I blame this man’s parents for his horrible fate. Does he even have family? He wasn’t socialized properly that’s for sure. It’s too late for him to ever be “normal”. He’s even at the bottom of the omega hierarchy. I’m not sure how I feel at the efforts to cut his disability pension. I mean it’s all he’s got left at this point.
@ Dorset Naga
I’m starting to see the rise in use of alpha/beta concepts in mainstream media outlets too.
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AKA one solution is for men to learn game. Good thought but game is slowly but steadily being shunned by the mainstream.
[Editor: Game can no more be “shunned” by the mainstream than beauty on women can be shunned. Women will continue to love game because it hits their primitive arousal buttons. Unless by mainstream you mean PC publications looking to increase their readership of fairytale believing women, in which case their opinion is irrelevant because the mainstream does not dictate what turns women on. Only the hindstream of their brains is responsible for that.]
Myself and many others tried game out and then got shunned in public.
[Anecdote is not data. Anyhow, whenever I hear guys complain that they tried game and it failed, I think 1) troll, and 2) their execution was poor, or they tried it out on girls too far above their usual fare and it blew up in their faces because they couldn’t maintain frame.]
I stuck it out but so many give up before they even start because women are starting to pick up on some of the beginning material and then shut men down in a humiliating fashion. See some examples here:
[The above video you linked has already been discussed here:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/are-puas-douchebags-and-hucksters/
Bottom line: there’s no way in the world a TV studio with a female presenter amped up to mock the men coming onto her and looking to increase ratings comes anywhere near close to mimicking a real life pickup scenrio. So cut these guys a break and quit with the concern trolling.]
My point is; it is hard to get folk on game when in the beginning steps the loses can be very hard.
[Like with any skill, start slowly and work your way up. That means hitting on plain girls until you are comfortable enough to game the hotter specimens.]
In many ways learning game and applying it made ME an outcast amongst my male friends because they see me as manipulating women and thus evil.
[Just ask them when they’re gonna stop dating women who wear makeup. That’ll shut them up real quick.]
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Our species really needs some natural predators.
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Come on this is not alpha beta omega. It is delusional minds, mental illness.
It is not clear if he just likes acting as an infant or if he actually believes being one.
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The sad thing is this guy is only the most extreme manifestation of the much more common manchild.
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All women become omegas eventually.
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@Traveller
Delusional minds and mental illness IS Omega.
The only treatment for folk like the people mentioned in this blog post is hard hitting reality that isn’t shielded by our tax dollars.
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The original proprietor pays a visit. Only Roissy writes like this.
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It looks like he is drinking a bottle of piss.
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You want to know what’s really fucked up?
They’re happy and content with their lot in life;
[Editor: I’m sure that’s what they tell themselves.]
we’re not.
[Would you trade places with them?]
They’re sucking benefits off the state;
[This too shall pass.]
we work and fork half of it over to people like them.
[At the point of a gun.]
They get sex whenever they want it…
[Rutting with a blubbery mound of putrescence is not my idea of satisfying sex.]
well, speak for yourself. 😉
[If that fat babyman were presented with an opportunity to cheat consequence-free with a willing, hot slender babe do you think he would turn it down?]
It’s highly likely neither of them give a two-fisted flying fuck what any of us think about them or their shitty lifestyle.
{Not-giving-a-fuckness is the last refuge of the societal outcast.]
We’re all fucking bitter about it,
[Bitter? Bitterness implies envy.]
while he happily sucks away (pun intended) and doesn’t give a shit about anything at all.
[He’s self-medicating. Comfortably numb is one way to endure hell.]
Who has the last laugh now? 😦
[Their hiccupy laughs are tinged with suicidal tears.]
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It’s extremely doubtful those two have sex, or even normal sex drives.
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Women actually like betas the most if measured by lack complaints leveled at them. Betas are, after all, everything a woman ever consciously asked for. They are great guys, perfect for their cross eyed, fat sister Matilda.
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I think that creature is his mother
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Gross
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“Myself and many others tried game out and then got shunned in public.”
Well its supposed to look like charisma and charm. Not supposed to look like “game” . What you did was what little girls do with mama’s make up , only worse with red glossy on your anus.
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Nah, fat baby boy ain’t an omega.
The true omegas are the gainfully employed, contributing members of society who pay taxes to support fat baby boy’s disability check and who happen to be mostly shunned by women: the computer programmers, accountants, and other assorted cubicle dwellers.
Hell, even the typical working stiffs who are married to fat women are more omega than baby boy.
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When I was referring to shunning I was talking about in real life and not publications, etc.
My point was to show how beginners felt when they first tried out game, not to lambast the artists. In my opinion, these guys deserve a tremendous amount of credit for being on TV willing to try their best.
Tying these two points together:
Absolutely. It took me three whole years to really start getting the hang of things. My point was to just look at it from the perspective of people who haven’t been getting any who then try a new system and then fail for the first few months or so.
As you noted before, even the plain girls now have egos in the stratosphere so it is doubly crushing to get harshly rejected and called out by a 4.5-5.5 girl.
LOL. I haven’t used that but I usually reply with “Let me know when you are tired of dicksucking.”
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He is almost guaranteed to live a life of involuntary celibacy if he maintains any sort of standards for himself. When he decides that sexual relief is more important than standards, he will hook up with a waddling terrabeast sprouting wiry hair from a chin mole or a leprotic methhead who makes him look normal in comparison.
I spot the prose of the creator, so says V’Ger.
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I call it game on this blog but when I am out in public I keep the terms to myself. Fun memories now.
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I am not sure this is an Omega. An Omega is the guy who wants a woman in the worst way but his physical,emotional,and intellectual states make him a loser and a reject. He is pathetic,in both senses of the word.(i.e. he may arouse genuine sympathy for his plight and /or –around here!–may arouse a more scornful pity,laced with bitter humor.) But THIS guy is not a tragedy, a sad case,or a frightening loser. You dont look at him and shudder. He is a big fat stupid childish annoying asshole. To be a true Omega is to contemplate the abyss. All this guy contemplates is his next Big Mac.
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The adult baby guy is an extreme example. Guys like this are far more numerous:
http://www.theunambitiousmale.com/2011/05/readers-email-any-hope-for-omegas.html
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John, I’ve got to agree that this guy is omega. Just because someone else is scraping the bottom of barrel, doesn’t put him one up on the betas who can’t find a woman. I’m sure if those guys would release their last few shreds of standards that they may maintain, they could easily land something as hideous as the Jotun that omega man is with above.
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@ Traveller
” Come on this is not alpha beta omega. It is delusional minds, mental illness.”
I agree. The example was no doubt used for shock value.
However, I think this example is far more than a matter of Omeganess, lack of social skills and poor sexual market value.
This has to be some form of mental illness. Something has gone wrong with their psychological development. More than likely they have abnormal brain physiology. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something haywire hormonally with them.
They both likely should under full time mental health care.
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I feel like vomiting!
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Hey Ross.
Quick question: Were/How did you learn to write like you do? I’m impressed.
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I saw this on TV, and I remember the story pointing out that the woman is not his girlfriend, but a nurse he hired to play his “nanny” when get comes home. He’s actually single, ladies!
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Ergo, she is also a state employee getting a dime off the welfare system.
You tax dollars at work, people!
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I did a post on this Adult Baby guy a couple of weeks ago, with the full video of his story:
http://thequestfor50.wordpress.com/2011/05/07/baby-game/
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ewwwww..
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Stuff like this is enough to make me think Hitler was right, God exists, and he has designed a hell specifically for these worthless degenerates.
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In nature, broken animals like this die. We should let this one die folks, him and many like him. For the good of humanity.
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Apparently he threatened to kill himself when told his Social Security payments may be taken away.
I say he is bluffing.
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What the fuck?! THIS is what tax dollars are going towards? How did this escape the government’s notice for so long? and aren’t they going to do anything about it? as for babyman’s threat to off himself… I say let him swing. Natural selection would have killed him off long ago.
on a lighter note, this man is a champ:
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Fuck, I knew you were going to post something about this. You took 48 hours longer than I thought. Probably just editing delays.
That picture actually made me weep for the lost humanity of it all. And want to retch.
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And not Of The Month.
Of the decade. I don’t even need to see the rest.
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Offtopic, but Judgment Day is supposed to go down tonight at 2 a.m. EST. Hell of a chance to deploy the apocalypse opener.
[Editor: Hell yeah. The set-up is perfect. “The world is supposed to end tomorrow in the rapture. Want to go back to my place?”
I want to hear apocalypse opener stories from the readers by monday, if we’re all still here.]
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Absolute human waste. Society should be merciful and put those savage animals down.
Omegas give reason for society to condone natural/unnatural eugenics.
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I struggle with this classification of Omega.
The way that I learned about the classifications of men was “Alpha, Beta, Omega & Zeta.”
What you are describing, according to the way that “I” learned it, is the Zeta male – the weak willed male that rarely gets laid, and if he ever does, he is ruthlessly manipulated by females.
Omega males are more of the scum class – again, according to how “I”learned about all this stuff, several years ago. The scum class is not universally despised by females – just the opposite. They are the thugs, the drug dealers, the bad boys and so on. Also, these are the men that purposefully set out to reproduce by cuckolding and such. In wolf culture, while two alpha male wolves are fighting for breeding rights, the Omega would sneak in and fuck the female while the others weren’t looking.
Chicks dig these guys, but they are different from Alphas – which is something that I always struggle with in regard to the singular definition of Alpha as the only male females want to jump.
In highschool, for example, there are basically two kinds of guys who are getting laid – the popular Football Star, and the Bad-Boy selling drugs, and packing heat, behind the bleachers. Both are attractive to chicks, but there is no way that both can be classified as “Alpha.” The Alpha male football star also does not get laid like a fiend, but rather, he gets “the best” chick – the Prom Queen, and he fucks her while all the lower betas & beta females sort themselves out by fucking and chucking eachother. The Alpha Football Star does not need to bang dozens of chicks to get social proofing either – he gets social proofed by fucking “The Best” chick. All the other women “know” who the best chick is, and they all wish to be her – there is the Alpha’s social proof. If the Alpha Football Star ever becomes single, ALL the other chicks will trip over themselves to be his next girlfriend, because they all desire the status of being “the best” chick in the herd.
Again, the way I learned about all this stuff a few years ago, was that the Bad-boy was the “Omega.” – Omegas being the scum class/evil people, that have a hard time forming relationships, but still are attractive to chicks. It is the traits of the bad-boy that gets social proofing by banging lots of chicks.
There is no way that an Alpha like Bill Clinton, can be in the same category as the criminals you often discuss that still get laid like fiends even though they spend 75% of their lives in prison.
Although, there are so many definitions flung about nowadays, who knows what the fuck people are talking about with the various definitions.
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Wait? That’s *not* his mother? I guess that makes this less…nah it’s still awful, only for different reasons.
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here’s another test, spot the omega and spot the alpha:
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/19/report-obama-regime-assured-netanyahu-there-would-be-no-surprises/
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Man, if we keep adding more greek letters to define states of masculinity we’re going to end up in Brave New World territory. Although that book does approximate modern American society pretty well if you replace the gammas with Mexicans…
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Alpha men in the classic sense of the world mostly don’t exist anymore outside of the Muslim world. This blog is really about turning omegas and gammas into betas. Being an alpha outside of the Taliban or federal prison just isn’t possible in the 21st century.
Gammas see themselves as less than women. Omegas actually are. Betas, past all the ego and mind games, actually work with women on an even level, naturally. Alphas are too busy conquering, pillaging, and actually raping women to care. That kind of man is rare, even outside of civilization.
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“third world” country ?
Weird how people use phrases without knowing what they mean.
1st world == us + nato
2nd world == warsaw pact
3rd world == non-aligned
swiss and finland were both third world.
[Editor: I know these terms have political origins, but they have evolved to have colloquial meanings.
1st world = any advance Western or East Asian nation. US, western europe, japan, canada (barely!), australia
2nd world = the former soviet satellite states and slightly less economically vigorous nations of east europe. May include China due to its massive peasant population, and touristy parts of Mexico
3rd world = shitholes]
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Appalling.
Dystopian.
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Did you see that government threatened his benefits and he threatened to kill himself?
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@Rob
I think in the context of this blog:
Alpha – Gets plenty of pussy, usually high quality pussy.
Beta – “Typical guy” sometimes it is hard to get pussy, but eventually get some.
Omega – Total sexual loser, never had a gf, virgin, etc.
[Editor: That about sums it up. Of course, there are gradations between the three archetypes. And let’s not forget the dregs. These are the humans so low on the status totem pole that they have become invisible to society.]
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Unless you mean the object form of We like Natural Ass , Turd Omissive, neither do you since the USA is a member of NATO.
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The thing that is troubling about the “modern” definition of Alpha is that it is anti-survival. I mean, whatever works, works, in regard to getting to laid, but up until around 50 years ago when the pill came out, sex was intricitalely linked to reproduction. Fucking meant kids. Women who fucked men that pumped and dumped them, either barely survived or died. It is only recently that sex has been “solely” for pleasure, so to say that this behaviour is “hindbrain driven” in women cannot be true. 50 years is simply not enough time to “evolve.”
Also, humans pair-bond, and have for hundreds of thousands of years already. In fact, some primatologists put forth that pair-bonding is the initial step that separated us from other primates, because pair-bonding allowed us to “know our kin,” and thus co-operate with eachother. Chimps etc. can barely recognize their own kin. I doubt, however, that humans pair-bond for life but more in a “rotating polyandry” style, as this is the most efficient way for females to raise children to self-sufficiency – pair bond for around four years, so as to get pregnant, give birth, and raise the child until it can walk, talk and feed itself, then discard the male and move onto another so that genetic diversity will ensure more of her offspring survive. All living organisms serve the female imperative, and since serial monogamy/rotating polyandry is in the best interests of female lineage, this is probably the norm for humans – but it still involves pair-bonding. And, a woman who got pumped and dumped by a man, most likely would not have survived, along with her children.
The Alpha male is still noticeable in that he has the respect and co-operation of other males, and this is what gives him prestige, power, and resources. An alpha-male cannot afford to bang all the betas’ wives willy nilly, because he will soon lose all that respect and gain a knife in his back. Many kings and nobles have discovered this in the past with their bridal rights, lol. It is the bad-boy/thug that is into pumping and dumping, doesn’t care about social respect, and is the cuckolder that used to have to sneak off in the middle of the night before he was killed.
At any rate, whatever the classifications which are thrown about, I suspect what is going on is kinda like Keynesian Economics being a “false” market. The pill, easy abortion, and government welfare have separated sex from reproduction, so what we also have is a false sexual market. Should those three things disappear, quite quickly again, women who chose to ride the cock carousel would die, as they always have in the past (and which is why this behaviour cannot be solely hindbrain motivated – if you and your children die, so does your innate behaviour quit evolving).
The Alpha Male is a “natural.” Just like the football star, he probably has some inborn talent. No amount of practice or pumping weights will make the other males as good as the natural.
What I believe is going on with “game,” is that it is encouraging men to emulate the natural confidence normally displayed by Alphas – which is attractive to chicks, and it also takes certain elements of the “Bad-Boy” paradigm that women also find attractive – but for entirely different reasons – and combines the two, which makes it possible for men to “increase their mating value rank.”
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It is fun to make fun of this fellow, but more interesting is how did he get like this? One suspects, as with many cases of extreme beta/omega-hood and men hostile to their own sex*, that a woman was involved.
Case in point is the psychologist John Money who was the driving force behind the destruction of David Reimer, which ultimately led to Reimer’s suicide.
He was brought up in a household of man-hating bitter feminists. As is common with such men, he was reported to have, behind the nice facade, a violent temper and an inability to accept anything less than everything 100% his own way.
His lies provided “scientific” cover for the feminist lie that men and women are the same, they are just brought up differently.
*I don’t use the term “gender” which was adapted by feminists from the field of grammar as a replacement for “sex”, in order to suggest that “gender”, unlike biological sex, is a social construction.
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“Can you imagine how they would look like in the throes of passion? Like two hippos in a death-struggle.”
I was in Africa last year. Believe me, the hippos look better!
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Rob, you’re a smart dude and all, but you’re telling us what we already know–game works.
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I would love to drive those two orifice covered bags of wet flapping sounds out into the field with a whip. I would raise swollen red welts on their rolls until they looked like a Himalayan relief map with a crimson Mount Chomolungma on their soar and swollen ass. Let them subsist in the scrub grass until the very threshold of death. You fat, lazy fucks….
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Rob,
contraception = it exists since antiquity.
anti survival? like priests, they are celibate and they are still around
alpha natural? no more than a doctor or an engineer, yes they are born with some talent but it is long way than tell they are natural
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Hippos are majestic animals whose goose bumps gently fondle salubrious waters, like tears of Venus in her joy of receiving the perfect prayer compared to this vermin crawled out the drain.
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Makin’ Charlie Sheen’s mom proud for once.
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Rob said: The thing that is troubling about the “modern” definition of Alpha is that it is anti-survival. … up until around 50 years ago when the pill came out, sex was intricitalely linked to reproduction. Fucking meant kids. Women who fucked men that pumped and dumped them, either barely survived or died. It is only recently that sex has been “solely” for pleasure, so to say that this behaviour is “hindbrain driven” in women cannot be true. 50 years is simply not enough time to “evolve.”
Thou art correct, good sir! Hopefully, we can recover and remember why people felt character/morals were a good thing before our way of life collapses.
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“Rob, you’re a smart dude and all, but you’re telling us what we already know–game works.” — Anonymous
I guess what I am trying to say is, I believe there are two types of males that women are attracted to, or two different sexual paradigms, rather than solely the Alpha one on different gradients.
The two types are entirely different from eachother. The Alpha male has social dominance, respect from his peers, resources, etc. etc. The Alpha male has positive survival value for a female.
The other type, the bad-boys and thugs, are attractive because they are evil. Think about the guys on death row getting love letters from hundreds of women. Are they attractive because they are confident? No. Are they powerful? Hardly – they are the least powerful people in society. Are they respected? Absolutely not. What they are is evil. They are entirely negative survival value.
These two archetypes are both attractive to females, yet there is no way that both can be merely different degrees of the same paradigm, because they are opposed to eachother.
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Rob,
contraception = it exists since antiquity.
anti survival? like priests, they are celibate and they are still around
alpha natural? no more than a doctor or an engineer, yes they are born with some talent but it is long way than tell they are natural — Traveller
The rare use of condoms from sheep’s intestines hardly qualifies as any form of widespread, reliable contraception. The rythym method was not developed until medical science understand the ovulation cycles of females, which is not all that long ago – and certainly not antiquity long ago.
Priests do not contribute to the survivability of the human race.
A doctor or an engineer, attractive solely because of his profession, is merely a highly sought after beta (ie. highly exploitable). Although, there is some prestige that comes along with his profession.
I can remember one guy who I went to school with in both elementary school, high school, and college. He was an “alpha” already at around the age of 8 or so. When all of the little “boy-girl” games started at that age, he was always the most popular with the girls. He was also the most popular with the boys. He was not a bad boy, and never was, although, he also never shyed away from a scrap either – he was a natural.
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Rob
IMHO, you mostly get it. But I would offer this amendment: Deep seated, largely unconscious female instincts related to sexual attraction are not calibrated to seek a provider/protector male because those instincts developed thru the eons in the context of females never needing male support or investment after the sperm donation. IOWs, in the long parade of mammilian life-forms, for only a tiny bit of the near past has long term support been needed. No female great ape, for example, needs anything from any given male to raise a little ape-let.
I would be nice to think that “evolution” was a tidy and efficient thing that would thoughtfully adjust females lust-mechanisms to fire off the strongest when in the presence of the type of guy that would treat them well and stick around longer. For one thing, it would seem “fair”.
The thing is, that would require a brand new type of lust generator, one that was radically different from the ancient model that has had maybe 500 million years to hard-wire itself into the hind-brain.
Along these lines, keep in mind that pair-bond formation and raw sexual desire are NOT the same thing in the female brain. For example, the type of man (facial features, attitude, scent, etc) women report as attractive varies with the phases of their menstrual cycle and whether or not they are taking BC pills. Being pair-bonded does not exempt their hind-brains from these fluctuations nor does it make beta hotter than alpha.
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Anonymous2 said: ”
Alpha men in the classic sense of the world mostly don’t exist anymore outside of the Muslim world. … Being an alpha outside of the Taliban or federal prison just isn’t possible in the 21st century.
… Alphas are too busy conquering, pillaging, and actually raping women to care. That kind of man is rare, even outside of civilization.
”
Put on a burqah, get in my harem and spread ’em, bitch, or it’s honor killing time! (Pretty much, that’s how it goes.) Same for outlaws who just take what they want and think law is just a plot the keep them down. Not a whole for either in civilized settings– too boring and annoying.
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“Priests do not contribute to the survivability of the human race.”
On the absolute contrary. Priests are absolutely necessary for the survival of a race. And, to a much less important level, the average human.
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I dont know if I am an omega beta or what. I have only had 2 girlfriends, I have been rejected by many women but I have also had several women tell me they love me in the past, I didnt say anything back. I have not been on a date in years despite being asked out by several women who were not unattractive. I have started to make better money in the last couple of years but I dont see any reason to risk it on women. I have been to prostitutes, it wasnt horrible but I dont think it is meaningful so I dont go back that often. Even if I had kids Im not sure I would be able to protect them from what I see on the horizon in this country with its poisons of diversity, equality and feminism. I feel as though feminism is basically a rejection of the feminine by women because they hate themselves and want to make men women. The only thing I feel would make my life meaningful would be to make war on my enemies in some way, shape or form.
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There were poisons taken in antiquity that duplicate the effects of contraceptives like the pill today.
http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/13_2%20Birth%20Control%20in%20Antiquity.htm
The idea that the birth control pill was an unprecedented revolution in history is really just a marketing gimmick.
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“Readers who grapple with the concept of alpha and beta sometimes point out that betas can’t be *that* disliked by women, since many of them do eventually manage to marry women on the depreciating side of their sexual market value.”
Betas are lieutenants rather than captains, but not just privates. A guy can have 8 or 9 (smart) girls in his early twenties and marry one of them and still be a (higher) beta.
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So what do you call the older guy who just doesn’t care about women anymore?
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All this stupid “alpha” shit really does need to stop.
I skimmed the previous linked thread where someone brings up Kurt Cobain, a natural born beta to the core who attracted throngs of hot chicks. And beta he remained even after achieving the fame he never sought.
Alpha is a personality type, not unlike a Type A. You can have Chris Christie boss who, well, bosses people around and generally behaves like a jerk (with an occasional touch of kindness). That man can and will attract women above his looks, but the heterosexual boy-band pinup secretary down the hall may attract even more female attention.
Looks
Fame
Wealth
Personality/Charm/Social Dominance — “Game”
The problem is too many people conflate this last category with the others. Each can, in its own way, signal social status. Drive an Italian sports car. Looks are a form of social status and powerfully indicate pre-selection, more or less stated above:
Girls are not so dog-stupid that you need to be surrounded by other girls in order to convey pre-selection. A tall, handsome fellow enters a room and they instantly know lots of other girls find him attractive (and besides you can see them looking out the corners of their eyes).
The famous musician may be able to pull a nines into group sex every night on the road, but he’s still a beta. His hot-headed alpha manager could also score hot tail, but make no mistake, he’s not the girl’s first pick.
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Rob,
Really, you are a smart guy and all, but don’t think about these things too much. There’s not much point to it.
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Rob,
Really, you are a smart guy and all, but don’t think about these things too much. There’s not much point to it.
Lol! Aren’t you glad that Roissy thought about it? Aren’t you glad that Don Juan was written as a sexual role reversal because men “though about it?”
Thinking about it is what men “do.”
Women don’t “think about it.” That’s why they are monkeys moreso than men. “Thinking about it” is what separates us from monkeys.
“Thinking about it” is what inspired “game” in the first place. Mystery was a five finger stallion for years, I believe, before he “thought about it.”
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Rob, you are trying to create a social hierarchy that is congruent with your moral imperatives. Such an endeavor is doomed to internal inconsistency.
There is no dichotomy between bad-boy-thug-cads and football heroes on the top of the good guy social scene. You want these two types of people to be in opposition, because they appear to you that way, and you want the good guys, if not to win, to at least have a fitting name. The heroes are the alphas, the thugs are the omegas.
Throw out your moralizing, then you can begin to see that your categories are in error.
There are only strategies. There are only buttons. Reduce it down to the simplest essence. Females have attraction triggers. Men tend to specialize on which attraction triggers they push. Some specialize as providers. Some specialize as being famous and gaining social circle clout. Some specialize with crowd control charisma. Some specialize with one on one mesmerizing charisma. Some specialize with body language. Some specialize with sex.
And some men study ALL the attractiveness triggers, and work on a coherent system that is befitting to their innate talents and inspirations.
It seems to me you don’t yet understand what is attractive about the thug. If you did understand and could internalize that, you’d not be so in-group out-group clique minded about it. People who study attractiveness triggers use all the dynamics to advantage, and if you looked harder you’d find plenty of Jungian shadow material inside you you could put to good seduction use.
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Damn man that guy in the photo couldn’t look any sorrier than he does.
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And Rob, so that we can at least begin with the same framework, and then work on making refinements from there, in the context of this blog Alpha means someone who has taken ANY successful approach to attracting women.
So if you want to make further refinements, you could have your cad alpha, your thug alpha, your fame alpha, etc.
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I understand that for a lot of people there is too much emotional resistance to pinning the tail of Alpha onto any old Jackass that women want to fuck.
For some, we want our heros to be in a separate class from our thugs.
In that case, just use a different word. Or spell the word differently. Spell it “olpha”. The point is to have a cognitive framework that allows you to study seduction. The point is to see the world through the eyes of female attraction triggers.
You may not see getting laid as a meaningful important endeavor. Not a higher calling and purpose. That notion of attributing hero status and meaning onto what good people do has NOTHING to do with game. Go do whatever that is somewhere else. Work for a charitable foundation, or whatever. For the purposes of seduction, this is all very hands on and how to – and so the concepts and frameworks revolve solely around pragmatic methods.
Morals don’t enter anywhere into it. You don’t get grades based on social contribution in game.
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@Vince
Actually defining “alpha” through male perspective is what is stupid. It reminds me of female judgment on female beauty when I hear how cute a shot bob hair cut is. The opposite sex is the judge of fitness to reproduce. if he can get girls easily then he has alpha qualities of some kind.
The alpha judgment process for males is just more complex and goes through stages. Kurt Cobain’s status is assessed early as alpha with flying colors. However he is particularly weak on a personal level.
Now your best argument is that his beta status is masked by the fluke where his personal reputation in a large nation state is concealed. He could take advantage of that early assessment of social status. He would get the girl first. If he were in the historical small scale society, then he would perhaps sink to the proper reputation. He would still make some recovery by drawing the attention of the clan with his talent albeit with the full apprehension of his weaknesses.
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Lol! Xsplat, always the clown.
Perhaps it is that you are drilling down to too many factors that you deem important only, and are failing to recognize that humans are not animals, but also aspire to higher purposes than the most base of them.
I’ve told you before that you are a fool.
My whole point, Xsplat, is that not all approaches to women are congruent. Two of them highly contradict eachother.
Btw, women might want to “fuck any old jackass” but in human society, males are also involved, and without government interference, they have ways of dealing with “any old jackasses.” It has been this way for thousands of years already. You can’t claim total biology without acknowledging state interference absovling some men from their natural demise.
You are pretty much just a thug that doesn’t want to feel any wrongdoing for your wrongdoings, by blaiming it all on biology.
Humans are not animals, because we have free will. We have the ability to analyze and choose. For all the hindbrain talk, it should be noted that there are three brains.
1 – The reptillian brain: Which controls, amongst other things, our sex drives, as well as fight or flight, breathing, heart beats – non voluntary things.
2 – Our Mamillian brain: which controls our emotions, makes us love our hate, and all other things emotional.
3 – Our Cortex: Our “thinking” brain. Our cortex has the ability to control certain functions of the rest – it is our “upper” brain, and is the brain that only humans have developed.
Now, I agree that “attraction is not a choice.”
But, I also submit, that being a destructive prick who chooses to be an animal over a human, is a choice.
None of this “negates” game’s effectiveness, btw. But it does negate fools like Xsplat claiming that all things only revolve around sexual dominance.
Humans are not animals, even though we are from the animal kingdom.
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My psyche is damaged… I think you should put some kind of warning on these pictures.
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Rob, you are nuts dude. Go to church or something.
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Morals don’t enter anywhere into it. You don’t get grades based on social contribution in game.
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we dont deny this, seducing women who probably want it anyway is not that hard if you apply yourself. If you want to get laid I suggest getting a job as a bartender or going back to college or grad school or putting yourself in a position where vulnerable single moms tend to congregate. If you want to make good money get a job as a nurse and get into the housing business as a sideline. People will need houses in the next ten years. Unlike other people I will admit that not every single mom is a parasite or whore and many probably would have wanted family life at least as much as the men on this board if feminism was not shoved down everybody’s throats. I know a single mom in particular who said that she had a kid out of wedlock because she thought that a womans place is to have kids and that she felt like she would have no other opportunity as people dont get married anymore. What I oppose is not sexual pleasure but rather the reign of impulse rather than conscientiousness. I dont need to hear what a bunch of net tax recipient cougars who have taken more dick down the throat lecture me about my duties as a lower status male. I wouldnt cum on their face if they paid me for their abortions. We need to start using the most violent and disgusting rhetoric, it is our only weapon at this point.
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Rob, I have difficulty understanding your difficulty understanding me.
I sincerely don’t know how you come to attribute that idea to anything I’ve said.
Game revolves around sexual dominance. That’s it.
I’ve already told you at least five times that I understand that you want to use the term Alpha to point to a socially upstanding top dog. Am I NOT understanding you?
I’ve already told you at least five times that there IS a concept, that needs a name, and that on this blog has a name, that is NOT about how you use the term.
Is that something you disagree with so far? Are we still on the same page?
I’ve already told you many times that you can use ANY TERM YOU WANT. Call it olpha. Just have the fucking concept!
The concept is game.
How much more simple can I make it for you?
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Rob got told
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epoche
What kind of housing business?
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Did you see his email threatening suicide? I hope he commits suicide.
These people say this shit like the rest of the world doesn’t hope they die. Or are at least indifferent to it.
I want these people to end their own lives. I don’t want to give them my money.
I’d rather have 90% of my goddamn wages every week go to the charity(s) of my choosing, then have even 5% go to the government to dole out to slobs like this and fat pig piece of shit niggers and puerto ricans to have more kids with 25 different men.
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Lol!, Xsplat,
You want to negate everything to biomechanics.
But can I also point out that “to kill” is also biomechanics?
It certainly is! Animals, well, they fuck like animals – which is your excuse… but animals, they also kill like animals – which is my point.
You want to take that which you want, but hide behind that which you don’t. You can’t fuck like a monkey, without being killed like a monkey, unless the government interferes.
If you want to live by biomechanics, while denying that humans have a “higher ability”, then you can’t can’t hide behind that “higher ability” to defend your life, when a cuckolded man wants to kill you – he is also only adhering to “biomechanics.” It might work for a while, like Keynesian Economics, it will work for a while, but eventually, things will reset.
Game is extremely valuable, but to use it as an excuse to live like monkeys is not valuable. Which is what you are constantly promoting.
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epoche
What kind of housing business?
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It would depend on what sorts of capital you have available. Like anything else it all depends on how things are capitalized in the market you happen to be in and taking a profit from what people are willing to overpay for. Here where I live young women/professionals are willing to overpay for location and that involves being close to the nightlife and being away from minorities and safe. I wouldnt wait for the bottom, you can take courses on how to fix houses up today and they probably will be tax deductible as most education expenses are.
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Rob, you can use game however you want.
I point out attractiveness triggers and manipulation methods.
My methods work.
That is all.
Live your life as you see fit dude.
This is a blog about attractiveness triggers and methods of manipulation.
No one is asking you to like it.
It is what it is. This is a game blog. This is not a be socially upstanding top dog blog.
That’s the fact.
I teach things that not one other person teaches – skills that need handing down.
Use them to good ends, if you want. Don’t use them, if you want.
If you want to have a discussion about being a good moral upstanding citizen and banding together with like minded men to help create a just and upstanding society, you have found the wrong blog.
This is a game blog. A blog for people who want to be olphas.
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Did I say anything different, asshole?
I merely pointed out there were two different types of men women are attracted to.
I didn’t say I didn’t like it – words put in mouth-er-for-me.
You are still an asshole, as always.
Fuck off, prick.
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Still an asshole, as always – that’s what my girls always say!
Your two different types are categorized according to your moral standards, which is a detriment to being an effective gamer, as it will hamper your full range and potential.
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Chi writes:
I think the problem here is that you’re conflating social-status with alpha-ness, and while alphas tend to have high status, we’re talking about different categories. Cobain was beta — shy, inward poet who in high school still wondered if he was a homosexual.
You could have some nerd-overlord whose alpha qualities are on full display in dungeons and dragons, but he’s not going to score more/hotter girls than the dull lineman who stands at the edge of group pictures, and laughs along to get along. This second guy is lower on the totem pole, but it’s a better tribe.
Modern society has thrown a kink in things allowing for what you aptly call “flukes.” In a large city where people are anonymous, you have no history. You’re a cipher…. which allows males to game the system and appear higher in social status than they actually are. Females have no such luck because men don’t really give a shit about that junior year spent in Prague working toward a degree in photography. However, men can also game the system by doing something amazing — whether it’s writing a novel, code or a hit song (which does take a degree of ambition).
The confidence that comes from that social validation can certainly lead to more alpha qualities — going out in life and taking what you want. One of the more astute observations I’ve seen is that great fortune does not necessarily change people: it unmasks them.
But to retroactively apply the alpha label to everything — you’re alpha if you attract high quality pussy — is a mistake. Men with certain personality types are more attractive than other types just as a man on a high status career track is more attractive than his jobless counterparts and a tall, built man is more attractive than a short, pudgy one. Things become cloudy because a high-track career typically requires go-get’em ambition (future King William confounds this expectation because his title is inherited rather than earned). A strong person who can take himself if shit goes down will exude more confidence than a wispy man who gets blown in the wind.
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Still an asshole, as always – that’s what my girls always say!
Your two different types are categorized according to your moral standards, which is a detriment to being an effective gamer, as it will hamper your full range and potential. — Ass-plat
Yappity yap yap yap.
Tell that to the black drug dealer whose girl you “gamed” while you are living in the ghetto.
Why do you think ghettos are so dangerous?
Could you just “game” in a black ghetto where everyone is packin?
And when white culture becomes the ghetto, do you really think “biomechanics” will somehow morally protect you?
Fuck you are dipshit.
If anything according to history, white men will be more vicious than any other race, and will string you up like the asshat smartmouth you are.
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Rob said: “Could you just ‘game’ in a black ghetto where everyone is packin?”
Proof of the old saying, “an armed society is a polite society”… gamin’ might get one riddled with lead by folk who feel “dissed” (disrespected) by “asshole game” and “displaying higher value” at their expense. Remember, while people don’t f*ck with folk they think can bring heat, don’t go around steppin’ on toes either.
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Rob, is it essential to your argument to invent an alternate reality?
I’m a black guy living in a ghetto, am I?
I’m sure your next step will be to malign the beauty and character of my lovers.
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Rob, is it essential to your argument to invent an alternate reality?
I’m a black guy living in a ghetto, am I?
I’m sure your next step will be to malign the beauty and character of my lovers. X-spalterizing the subject
Yap yap yap!
You don’t really debate anything like a man, but rather like a woman, are always changing the subject.
Go away, dipishit.
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By the way Rob, other than wanting an outlet to preach about living the right life, why are you spending time on a blog about how to push attractiveness trigger buttons and about how to manipulate women?
Or – don’t you realize that’s where you are yet?
I don’t see you offering any tips about how to pull women. I don’t see you showing comprehension about the tips offered here. I only ever see you talking about what Alpha is or isnt and what a meaningful life is or isnt.
Why are you doing that here, of all places?
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Rob
You get that female lust-generation gets its energy from the reptile-.brain.
You get that “evil” is at least, if not more attractive, to that reptilian brain.
You get that modern society with its fiat money anonymous urban living is very different than most other times.
Now, you could connect these dots and grasp the fact that living in this weird new world makes it possible to see human reality more clearly than previous generations – and use that knowledge however you may – or you could stay pissy for the rest of your life simply because you do not like the picture of reality that emerges from this knowledge.
You choice.
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1) Most alphas “within the law” are at least as socially destructive as alphas outside the law. Investment bankers have done more damage to this society then all the thugs combined.
2) In a world with 6 billion people, alpha resource instincts do not need to make society prosper. At best they need to make a small group around the alpha prosper, often at the expense of society at large. Its not like it was when some alpha was leading a tribe of 50 to kill a mammoth.
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No offense Rob, but I know your type. We’re both from BC, and if I recall correctly, you’re from Northern BC, where men are men and women are women. However, I suspect you’ve moved to Vancouver where most of us live.
From one Canadian to another, you need to drop the lumberjack/real man bullshit. Put your jean jacket and your mackinaw jacket in the car and take them to St. Vincent de Paul and drop them in the donation bin. Buy yourself some new clothes. And travel.
The days of going off into the woods and cutting trees down and homosocially bonding with other loggers are over. They’re not coming back. You can’t just swill some Molson’s and slap your wife around anymore. Move on.
Now, I don’t know if this is you, but it sounds like you. You can either move back up north and surround yourself with the Husqvarna baseball hat crowd, or you can learn game and live like a normal man in Vancouver.
You make the call.
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@Tmason
EVERYTHING on TV is BULLSHIT.
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Rob
You get that female lust-generation gets its energy from the reptile-.brain.</I.
You get that “evil” is at least, if not more attractive, to that reptilian brain.
You get that modern society with its fiat money anonymous urban living is very different than most other times.>/i>
Now, you could connect these dots and grasp the fact that living in this weird new world makes it possible to see human reality more clearly than previous generations – and use that knowledge however you may – or you could stay pissy for the rest of your life simply because you do not like the picture of reality that emerges from this knowledge.
You choice.
True, and although I don’t know what to do about it, shoud I stay silent about it?
For example – how did you learn about it?
And furthermore, is there a moral imperative for men to pass it on to other men?
And since men can “know” about it, should men try to pass on the knowledge of “what works”, or just blow it in the wind, like so many encourage you to do?
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Rob, if there is a male moral imperative for what to pass on, it’s what I am doing.
What you are doing is pissing in the wind. Your moral imperative is impotent, and only gets you urinated on.
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Shut up, splat
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What a petty little man you are!
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Didn’t you understand yet that I don’t think you are worth talking to?
How dumb are you?
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I just threw up. How does someone live a life like that?
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What is the omega male?
A man who just doesn’t care about what women think about him. He knows the game is rigged and he won’t play it.
He wears flip-flops with socks in public, he drives the same car for twenty years just because it runs, he stays home at night and drinks wine. He prefers porn.
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Rob, you a dinosaur who didn’t read the news about the comet.
You can’t re-create your beta-provider society. Its dead.
Grieve and move on.
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Whatever, slpast
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Splats is just an asshole looking ot argue for any reason, with no real backing to his rablings.
Yes, I can shout out short-liners to, splatz
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Don’t do this often. Mocking betas is fun because there’s always the hope they might get it and leave their wrong habits. With Omegas… no chance of a happy ending at all.
Unlike your ruthless yet accurate bashing of betas and fatties, this is actually depressing.
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Xplats is obviously one of Roissy’s omegas, holding onto his little wanker, while railing at the outside world that they can’t can’t laid like an “alpha” like like him.
Pathetic, this little man, and his little , woman dissapointing weiner.
(That’s what its all about, isn’t it? Splat?)
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It’s pretty hard to believe in the moral superiority of the Game Community, when little fags like Xsplats are allowed to be “bitter gamers” that spit shit all over men who are here to simply seek and share knowledge.
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Moral superiority of the game community?
Dude! You are the only person on this blog who gives a fucking shit about moral superiority.
The rest of us are here to get laid.
You’re the self righteous prick trying to ram your lifestyle down other peoples throats.
Live like you want! No one cares. No one gives a shit about your definition of the moral man.
No one cares Rob!
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yap yap yap
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Dear God…
http://www.sugarsugar.com/
Signed up for it out of curiosity. The women topped out at 5’s (I’m sure the men do too). 1 gorgeous hooker broke the mold though… At least she’s up front about what she’s trying to pull.
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Pastor Rob – confusing the game community for a church group meeting.
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yap yap yap,
there is never a real argument from you
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As long as I am not banned, I won’t let a little yap like you get the last word. You are just like a feminist. Irritating and ALWAYS wrong. Mostly on purpose.
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@The Real Vince
I understand the point of view. Its hard to see Cobain as being anything but beta. It may be an overdeveloped muscle on an otherwise weak frame. He just has that status where he will appear alpha to his groupies.
Though, on the other hand, I think these star quality individuals are statistical outliers. They just don’t fit into theory very well. There is an unnatural driving force that masks the normal laws in force. I can’t prove with a lottery winner the harmless result of dropping out of school.
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Rob – is it or not a point and a clear argument and a contention that can be directly addressed that you coming here seeing the world in terms of moral superiority and that Alpha qualities relate to the football hero type is at direct odds with the entire concept of game.
How many times and in how many different ways can I say it?
Your framework of how you view reality is at odds with picking up chicks.
That’s an argument – that’s a point.
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Holy yappity yap!
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What a stupid little fucktard liar you are – nothing I said negated game – I only said there were two different dynamics that women are attracted to.
You just seek out arguments to be a fucktard prick.
That’s pretty much your entire fucktard personality.
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Neither of the human creatures in the photo are likely to have a sex drive as we know it. It’s probably based more on the ringing of the doorbell by the one or more pizza delivery men, tolling the beginning of each evening’s engorgement and carb-fest.
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@Rob
I think xsplat is right in this occasion, it is clear that what he says, that you are trying to create a social hierarchy according to what you think it ought to be is not what in reality works.
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@ Straus,
In that yeah, women are attracted to high value men for survval, and evil men for thrills?
Duh! Yeah.
And they are NOT on the same spectrum?
Well gee!
And still, does this negate game?
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You guys are dumber than the bitter MRA’s
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Rob is right except for one thing: it isn’t better for raising offspring to dump the first male and move on to another 4 years later. Children are at 10 times the risk for abuse from non-relative males living in the same household. These males are also less likely to invest resources in them: and since humans can’t really survive independently until the mid-teens, this is a problem.
Also, when parents divorce, both parents become unwilling to invest resources in the children of the failed marriage. For example, the vast majority of married parents will help with their children’s college costs: but very few divorced parents do, even if they can afford it. Children from divorced families take a huge hit in terms of the parental resources available to them, and unsurprisingly do much worse in life (including in reproduction, since it’s much more common for children of divorced families to have trouble with relationships and to decide not to have children).
The best strategy for producing successful children (and passing on your genes) is 1. choosing a high-value partner and 2. staying with that partner until one of you dies (although you may have other partners if you are male and you can afford it).
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Rob
When I eventually encountered some on-line Game Theorists (like Roissy) I had no issues, at all, with their teachings. Even if I lacked the proper vocabulary I had gotten enough of the relevant experiences – the teaching moments – in doses strong enough to destroy any remaining counter beliefs.
So, in fewer words; By then I had had it stuffed in my face many times that treating women “nice” led to me getting my heart stomped on by every normal female with normal instincts. By and by, I accepted this verdict and subsequently reverted to my more natural, honest moral idiom – which I had suppresed. I had supressed it because it was so ice cold and profoundly Nihilistic that Nietszche himself would want to run and hide in a desperate, doomed quest for the smallest crumb of existential succor-to save his own life and to find some safe protection from the anilhilating Truth of Game.
Forget all that…, if you are confused and getting lost in this discussion, etc., Focus on these questions:
Are yu getting regular BJs in the company parking lot? Will she get violently jealous if you try to refuse? Does she know who she is sharing the cock with (OK, its financial chick, but that is not the point). Has your wife signed om?
Now, those are good questions if you are concerned about real self improvement.
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Rob ruined what was a funny post
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Are incel guys a subset of omegas, or a step farther down the line, since apparently omegas get female flesh if they lose their self-respect.
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You ruined the good name of anonymous
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Top 10: Signs You’re Not An Alpha Male
http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-youre-not-an-alpha-male_10.html
Good luck internetz Alpha’s
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Bring back beta of the month.
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Lol. Whats up with this immature rob kid trying to preach a moral high road to all of us?
Talk about “yapping” … immense levels of butthurt
Anyways, think long and hard about what “evil” really is Rob..
You cringe at the “destruction of society” – why? Could it be because primates cling to each other, “society”, for protection and support, and the destruction of said society abolishes the protection and support that is vital to your survival?
Now is that evil because of human free will or … bio-mechanics?
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ok, leroy, way to go, buddy. You are cool.
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I never “cringed” at the destruction of society, btw, you pot smoking little faggot
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It’s obvious all the faux alphas here, are very insecure about their own sexuality, and can’t comprehend some simple observations about sexuality outside of their self proclaimed alpha paradigm.
Like I said, it is amazing that you find MRA’s to be weak betas. They can at least look reality in the eye. Unlike you mighty alphas.
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MRA = Manitoba Runners Association?
Rob seems to have reading-comprehension problems..
Ironically hes unable to, as he puts it, “look reality in the eye”
boring.
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Best strategy for producing the greatest number of successful children is not the above. It is either having several well supported wives or impregnating several wives of rich men.
Or simply, have good genes. You can dump a superior baby into inferior circumstances and still have a better outcome than the reverse. Self made men who come from poor circumstances are dime a dozen. And they have superior parents – if not superior parenting.
There are many successful mating strategies for making successful lineages. Obviously.
Some people have their favorites. That’s because your genes tell you to have those as your favorites. Provider betas have morals that tell them this is morally superior, and they are born with these extra morals. Cads are born without those extra two morals of purity and respect for authority.
Cads father plenty of successful kids. Here and there some seeds will prosper magnificently.
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Follow up to comment in mod. Children from cads may have less paternal investment, if the mother didn’t cuckold the kid or remarry, however cad babies may naturally be more ambitious and able, and this could possibly offset the lack of parental investment. We don’t see cads dying out, therefore the strategy is clearly successful.
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Rob pretty much sounds like every guy who runs into game and gets angry. Divide the world into evil jerks and nice guys, declare that jerks should be punished despite giving women what they want and impotently rage at the fact that the universe is amoral.
Guess not much philosophy is taught in schools these days.
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The fact that xsplat’s argument was not the one peppered with petulant insults – fucktard, dipshit, yap yap yap etc seemed to make it a lot more convincing.
Hurling insults online just seems to paint you as emotional, bitter and chumpish. Sometimes it’s pretty obvious who the thinkers are.
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Chi:
I think it’s the whole thing about how an “ounce of image is worth a pound of performance.” The kind of fame achievable in the modern era is alien to hundreds of thousands of years of tribal living. Super-famous people are like NBA players — they’re freaks. Which is why I don’t think it’s appropriate to shoe-horn them into this “alpha” frame.
Who was more “alpha,” Axl Rose or Kurt Cobain? Does it really reduce down to who attracts more pussy? I think it’s blindingly obvious the former instantiated those characteristics more than the latter, who considered the rock star lifestyle “boring” and “egotistical.” Except for the part about being a pathetic junkie. Nevertheless, it’s transparently clear he put Love on a pedestal while Rose urged him to “shut your bitch up.”
Who would be more self-deprecating, more likely to apologize for messing up a song? Who would be more likely to come out on stage late, drive Lamborghinis, complain about immigrants and “fags,” violently shut his bitches up, and generally not give a fuck about anyone?
Cobain committed suicide because his life was too difficult. How could he ever be considered “alpha”?
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Fat woman deemed too fat to fly by airline:
http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/05/12/kenlie-tiggeman-too-fat-to-fly-on-southwest/
All alpha males must declare a spiritual jihad against fat chicks and relentlessly shame them in any way we can; let them know that we will not tolerate obesity, especially in women under 30. Social stigma can work wonders for getting to a society composed of nearly only slim-bodied (and therefore usually fuckable) chicks.
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We also need to issue FATwas against fat people using public transportation.
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Rob is omega
lolzolzolzolz
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Counterpoint: dude is running Jabba game. He eats what the fuck he wants and drinks his fucking juice from a baby bottle. Juice? No, blue label. Girlfriend? No, human beanbag chair. I’ll bet she’s comfortable as fuck, AND gives back rubs. Also, this bastard gets his money from the populace: regal. What this picture is hiding is the smoking hot princess on a chain. Totes jelotes of this pimp
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It is, indeed, funny how alpha/beta concepts are working their way into the mainstream. hmmmm alpha/beta/omega….what language is that from again??
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“I can remember one guy who I went to school with in both elementary school, high school, and college. He was an “alpha” already at around the age of 8 or so. When all of the little “boy-girl” games started at that age, he was always the most popular with the girls. He was also the most popular with the boys. He was not a bad boy, and never was, although, he also never shyed away from a scrap either – he was a natural.” -Rob
This talk of “naturals” really bothers me. It’s not just you here so don’t think I’m singling you out. Every “natural” I’ve ever known was taught how to be attractive to girls by his alpha or former alpha father at an early age. Who and where to socialize, being physically fit, playing sports (massive social proof in school settings), how to be masculine, engage in status seeking, understanding male/female social dynamics, etc. Since they start accumulating experience with the opposite sex so young they have a better grip on female psychology than most males in their peer group. That chain of experiences enables them to rampage through women once they reach adulthood. Basically guys who learn “game” online are at the earliest stages of the metamorphosis into proper manhood. My point is alphas are not born, they’re made. Although in a way everything an alpha does puts them back in touch with their primal instincts so maybe I’m wrong.
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@From the can, good one! Best laugh I’ve had all week 😀
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welcome in the community adult baby/bet wetters!
http://bedwettingabdl.yuku.com/forums/2/Introductions#.TdgJcEfHTct
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Omegas probably couldn’t pay for it either, at least in Russia, where even the prostitutes have face control – and self esteem. ))
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LOL
http://video.foxnews.com/v/951405987001/adult-baby-collecting-social-security/?playlist_id=86856
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Off-topic, but…
Cute girl with cat dances to “Goodbye Horses.” Much better the Buffalo Bill…
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I know when a woman looks at me with that lizard face, she is ready to fuck. It’s her reptilian brain coming to fore.
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In terms of “useless borderline-retarded suckers on the public teat,” I’m not seeing a functional difference between these people and the English royal family.
No snark … In both cases I just see useless, slack-jawed genetic dead ends who steal other people’s money and should be publicly executed to boost morale.
thoughts?
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I will probably have to repost this but I have to ask, when we discuss alpha, omega and beta why do we not bring up the problem of subsidized daycare for single mothers? this should be violently opposed more than anything else.
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Shit… “Much better than Buffalo Bill… ” I meant.
Damn, was I retarded or something, or what?
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I had not realize how white knighting intelligent men are until recently. I am not interested in oppressing women or minorities I just want them to stand on their own two feet, a very concept which represents privilege to them. I am not the social darwinist that some are here but I dont see the need to set aside my interests so that a 17 year old black woman who has never done anything useful to anyone except take cock into her body can feel good about herself. Why not point out the obvious, such as:
1. The sluttiness of black women is responsible for the oppression of black men a lot more than racism of whites. The only people that care about black people is whites.
2. Single mothers can still do work, if they need something for their children they can wash my dishes or do my laundry instead of relying on the state regardless of how bad they have it.
3. Subsidized daycare is the equivalent of forced marriage except for men. It may sound radical but here were have an outside party (the state) imposing burdens on third parties irrespective of their choice for children they didnt create.
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apparently women are b ecoming more callous
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/love/dating/no-sex-no-flirting-no-dating-welcome-to-my-manbbatical/article2028747/
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As a proud OMEGA and now 40 year old Virgin I found this interesting little link for you guys.
http://ephemeralnotebook.tumblr.com/post/5689865337/if-youre-reading-this-then-fuck-you
Watching all you fine hardworking taxpaying alpha gamers blow a gasket over this fatty herb is almost beautiful.
😛
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@epoche- I have to agree with you, the promiscuity of black women contributes to the oppression of black men. They also take jobs away from black men!!. I think that black men have caught on to this thats why they are dating other races of women!!
***Black women are ugly!!!! Science now proves this see article below!!
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3412493
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I would agree with Strauss’ definition of Alpha, Beta and Omega against Rob’s. It doesn’t matter that many Alpha males are outright dangerous and despicable criminals and yet are still attractive to many women, it’s the mere fact that they are highly desired by women is all that matters. It’s patently unfair to see Alphas who outright criminal and downright abusive to women yet are still highly desired but that’s life.
[Editor: Remember, too, that the alpha male and the admirable man, while often the same, are not necessarily so. Women simply don’t make moral judgements with their vaginas.]
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Reading this blog has awaken me to the truth. I can’t remember which post it was, but one was saying how normal it was for girls to get fat now.
My university magazine does a flat profile and this was the latest one:
http://canta.co.nz/flats/the-balgay-glen/
Only by absorbing the ideas from this blog did I notice ALL of them had a double chin.
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I think claiming that these people aren’t happy because they’re lower status than us, or that they aren’t happy because they would choose better if they could get it misconstrues the evolutionary role of happiness.
Happiness is nature’s way of telling you not to engage in stressful action. It’s how it keeps you in place when anything else you try would risk losing everything.
Fatty could, in theory, go out and improve his image, lose some weight, dump his lunch lady girlfriend. But would his prognosis be that much better? Sure he could pull a 4 or maybe even a 5, but he would be putting all that extra effort in for not that much of an improvement over his lot now. Any 5 knows she could do better. Same for the woman.
So, his unconscious brain makes him HAPPY. His hindbrain is saying “Alright, I know when I’m beat. Let’s cash in our chips now. If I make a baby with the she-cow maybe our offspring won’t be too monstrous.”
The happiest people aren’t necessarily the most successful. They’re the ones who have the most to lose by trying anything else.
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The Australian guy, James Marshall in the YouTube clip below passes himself off as Australia’s premier pick up coach.
He also calls himself a “Rockstar” despite being in a band that hardly anyone has heard of.
Also calls himself a “Pornstar” despite having acted in one softcore Australian made porn film.
He claims to have represented Australia as a kung fu champion, in what capacity, nobody knows.
And is also married to some Russian chick that he brought over to Australia probably as a mutual deal to help him promote his PUA business and for her to get her permanent Australian residency, saving herself from a non future if she had stayed back where he found her.
Most recently, James Marshall showed his true colors by attempting to steal the contents of the Melbourne Lair and pass it off as his (pus company’s) own after registering a domain under a similar name.
The guy is a real piece of shit.
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I would agree with Strauss’ definition of Alpha, Beta and Omega against Rob’s. It doesn’t matter that many Alpha males are outright dangerous and despicable criminals and yet are still attractive to many women, it’s the mere fact that they are highly desired by women is all that matters. It’s patently unfair to see Alphas who outright criminal and downright abusive to women yet are still highly desired but that’s life.
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anyone with common sense would have no problem with the idea that life produces winners and losers. any advanced social system needs a hierarchy. what sane people worry about is the long term social costs of proclaiming alpha status on demagogues who preach envy, socialize moral hazard, rip decent hard-working men from their families and demand that the state play the role of husband to minority women. life has always been hard and required a certain amount of nietzsche and machiavelli so this is not as bad as it might seems, but if you can only get to the top by poisoning the well at some point it might not be worth it.
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I dont think women are as hypergamous as you want to believe they are, in a world where the people had not sheepishly abrogated the major adult decisions over to the state betas were important. character mattered at one point. In a world without credential inflation, corporate facism and the personal income tax there where places people would cooperate outside of the state and its programs. the social system tells women how to behave which in turn tells the men how to behave. at one time creating tangible wealth was valued by society as much as finding the hidden racism in everyday life.
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Remember:
“I’m bored and/or not happy,” your wife says to you
means
“I want to give the house, half your income and our kids to a surly chode-cocked bartender who’ll assfuck me silly in our bed then whore me out to his drinking buddies for fun until I’m unwanted and alone so I can feel fulfilled–- you understand, don’t you, honey?”
so game her appropriately ’cause “fulfilled” is that she gets filled full, if you catch the drift.
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His disability pension really should be cut. Since he threatened to kill himself over being so useless, I say good riddance to him! There will be less cleanup required, except for an XXXXXXL coffin.
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epoche
The human condition is one of happiness being a social event, so pretty well all humans agree with you.
I don’t think people can proclaim alpha status onto anyone. It’s not like noticing what works to attract women means we are voting in our social leaders with this recognition. It’s just opening our eyes to reality – even if that means reality fucks us up the ass a bit in the process.
There are two issues. One is what is the good life and how to live it. A different issue is what are all the attractiveness triggers that women have and how can women be manipulated.
On this blog the focus is on the latter. We leave the first issue up to each individual to sort out.
You need specialized cognitive tools to focus on the second issue. it turns out that if you only have tools to deal with the first issue, you will be at a disadvantage for dealing with the second. It turns out that just the cognitive tools used to help navigate a good just moral life get in the way of getting laid and having your bitch cook you chicken.
So for the purpose of manipulating women we temporarily at least use a different cognitive tool set. This tool set will at first be foreign to many of us, who are used to using a moral compass to measure the value of all things.
For game, we must be able to view the world stripped of a moral compass.
And then decide what to do.
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Ashley said:
“***Black women are ugly!!!! Science now proves this see article below!!
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3412493”
Hm, interesting. Btw, funny thing- Satoshi Kanazawa is the same ev.psych. who concluded that men who stay faithful to their partners (or at least value fidelity, one must amend) tend to be more intelligent than their more promiscuous fellows.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7339654/Intelligent-men-less-likely-to-cheat.html
[Editor: What about men who tell their partners beforehand that they are going to avail themselves of a little on the side?]
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Learning game is like learning the art of war.
First learn what works and be able to skillfully apply it. Only after that do you have the luxury to make moral choices.
Generals who first came up against guerilla warfare were flumoxed that the enemy wasn’t playing fair.
The concept of fairness made them poor generals.
With game, you need a flexibility of mind – the ability to see things from multiple angles. Especially you need to be able to see the world from the perspective of what is attractive to females. This does not mean that you must behave as if this is all that matters and adjust your life to revolve around that. It simply means you must be able to put on that perspective to properly do that job at hand.
Game is pragmatic. It is strictly utilitarian and pragmatic. There are no rules and regulations. If you want to win the war of the sexes, get pussy, and have fresh cooked chicken, you need to set aside your pastor hat and put on your magicians hat.
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In relation to Rob’s comments.. I’ve always felt that those without goodness/morality were unworthy of life, and see those who are absorbed and obsessed with sex as primitive, selfish dregs of society.
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That’s because you feel no love when you fuck.
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You need specialized cognitive tools to focus on the second issue. it turns out that if you only have tools to deal with the first issue, you will be at a disadvantage for dealing with the second. It turns out that just the cognitive tools used to help navigate a good just moral life get in the way of getting laid and having your bitch cook you chicken.
So for the purpose of manipulating women we temporarily at least use a different cognitive tool set. This tool set will at first be foreign to many of us, who are used to using a moral compass to measure the value of all things.
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I like this blog because it is a great example of amorality, and there is a time and place for both morality and amorality. There are few places online where you can read practical advice on how to be amoral, and I dont condemn Roissy at all for any of this, you should learn this but at some point we have to say to ourselves how did things get so fucking bad? Even if I had children would want them to deal with this? I saw a video awhile back where a single mom was going before a tv and had to present how her son had special needs and wanted the government to do this that or the other for her because government programs were being cut. Setting aside the issue of personal responsibility for a moment here, is this how I want to live or have my descendents live? To be a fucking serf and have my family arrangements engineered for me by bureaucrats? At what point do things become not worth doing?
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Wow.
I don’t even wish any cruelty upon them. Just put them down.
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Johhny Appleseed said: “I’ve always felt that those without goodness/morality were unworthy of life, and see those who are absorbed and obsessed with sex as primitive, selfish dregs of society.”
You’re right, but decency/uprightness/character now leaves one alone, poor and childless because women don’t find it arousing enough and have forgotten the “in love” high wears off after a bit today.
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Anon,
You hit the nail on the head. Women think their man should turn them on 24/7. Diligent worker-bee effort is not a turn-on. Consequently, women spend their prime years on the uncommital cock carousel, as CR has mentioned over and over again.
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And so if your predisposition is to keep a woman turned on 24/7, and to be uncommital, female nature works to your advantage.
It must suck to be born into pre-dispositions that no longer have a place in society. I see a lot of square pegs on forums such as the-spearhead complaining about a lack of round holes, and what to do about it. On this blog the discussion is more along the lines about how to be a peg that fits into currently existing holes. But I can see that some men want to raise a family and focus on work and not have to deal with female bullshit. Many men feel put off that females are such a bother, and wish they could cut the traditional deal of sex for security and capture lifetime monogamy from a young hottie.
I guess I’m lucky to be born with predispositions that fit our time. I see that the practical approach to women is the only solution – trying to fix society is pissing in the wind. So we can only work on our own skills.
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Square pegs complaining that pussys are round holes.
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xplat said: “But I can see that some men want to raise a family and focus on work and not have to deal with female bullshit. Many men feel put off that females are such a bother, and wish they could cut the traditional deal of sex for security and capture lifetime monogamy from a young hottie.”
Hence burqahs and women being property in the muslim world… of course, bin Laden had three hot young wives w/ him in his hideout with little else to do and he was still jerkin’ off to a porn stash that would shame anyone else, so you can see about how well that goes in practice.
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Many have pointed out that the female condition is one of want and unhappiness.
Few have noticed that outside of that precious window of being in love, the male condition is the same.
Most marriages are two people living lives of quiet desparation.
And yet when people break out of the rut and pursue alternate sexual strategies, such as serial monogamy, the beta providers and matrons try to put a lid on the rampant sexuality and proclaim the sky to be falling.
Very few people have tried non monogamy. Very few can even consider it. And yet realistically, it is one of the best options a man can take.
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ot – for your consideration:
Mind Reading: The Researchers Who Analyzed All the Porn on the Internet
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[…] is a comment by ‘From the can’ (great nick, btw), who discusses omega male game: Counterpoint: dude is running Jabba game. He eats what the fuck he wants and drinks his fucking […]
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Why the fuck can’t you respond to something like this in any way other than toeing the line EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME without being labelled a white supremacist? Bah, I should be smarter than to even discuss this with my SWPL friends.
My crime? Telling a story about an attractive black girl I once knew, and how her black friends would always say to her “You’re pretty! What are you mixed with?” Even the poorest of black women will spend hundreds on perms and relaxers and straighteners to obliterate their natural crinkly hair. I once heard a black middle-school girl talk at length with her white friend about all the things she would give up, her breasts, her family (which the white girl didn’t have) if only she could have her straight hair.
What I wonder: In the darkest of Africa, where day-to-day you don’t really see white people, does the preference for non-black features among the black still exist?
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So for the purpose of manipulating women we temporarily at least use a different cognitive tool set. This tool set will at first be foreign to many of us, who are used to using a moral compass to measure the value of all things.
For game, we must be able to view the world stripped of a moral compass.
And then decide what to do.
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i suppose that life has always required such adjustments, thank you for your thoughtful answers. this is one of the few places in the world where intelligent people can discuss things.
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From one Canadian to another, you need to drop the lumberjack/real man bullshit. Put your jean jacket and your mackinaw jacket in the car and take them to St. Vincent de Paul and drop them in the donation bin. Buy yourself some new clothes. And travel. — Tim
Actually, Tim, I never get laid MORE than when I show up to the pub in my Storm Rider, and play Woody Boyd.
It really surprised me.
I’m not shitting you. When I go out dressed like a redneck in Vancouver, I get laid way quicker than my metro friends.
It’s “foreigner game”, but on a lower level – and being a Canadian, you know that Northern Canada is as foreign to Vanouver as Mexico.
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BTW, Tim, I noticed what you are talking about, and when a buddy of mine came down to watch a hockey game and stay at my place, we went “out on the town” and he was dressed like a northerner, and I commented to him, that people “here” can tell we are from the north by how we dress… he said he didn’t fucking care… lol, he got laid that weekend too, much to my one bedroom apartment chagrin.
I think you city boys put too much on your dress, and too little on your attitude.
I’ll never dress metro, never have, never will. Lol! But I hope all you other boyz keep trying to dress like “real men.”
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Meanwhile an alpha brit snags a hot woman half his age:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1389895/Forget-gap.html
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Ya, but it would be more alpha to just date her without marriage.
And more alpha still to have two.
And more alpha still to date two who are less than half his age.
And so on.
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People think that if you marry the girl, that you “got” her.
Marriage is the girl getting you. A true win is the girl cooking and cleaning and fucking and sucking you in return for next to nothing. Marying her is giving her a lifetime contract and a free ride to get fat and lazy and complacent and to become a righteous bitch.
Marrying a girl is giving up all your options and power, in return for a risky and depreciating annuity.
The height of success for a man is not lifetime monogamy. It’s getting whatever you want, if you had limitless options. Which for many of us would look a lot more like dating one or more twenty somethings, no matter how old we got, and perhaps accepting an offer to have kids with one or more of the girls, but never offering monogamy.
Love is as easy to fall in and out of. It takes just a few dates to get started, a few weeks to be in full bloom, and less than a year to cement as deep pair bonding. You don’t need decades to have a good one. You can have a new great love every few years – your brain only needs about 1 year after a big love to re-set and be able to love deeply again. Two max. And some men can have real non-monogamous love.
So marriage is a sign of failure for a man. Or at best, of serious compromise. It means the man gave up and no longer wants to try.
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[Editor: What about men who tell their partners beforehand that they are going to avail themselves of a little on the side?]
Well, I’m in no way an evolutionary psychologist, but I would sure be interested in a study about how often if ever an honest, straightforward approach is a successful tactic when it comes to human interactions! Ha.
I would say that the way the afore-mentioned information is delivered is, of course, crucial and in itself says a lot about the intelligence of the man in question. The man would need keen control of and an ability to assess the relationship’s specific mechanics. Neither should the woman’s temperament be left out of the equation, though an intelligent man has most likely, in the case of an LTR, already chosen a woman not entirely opposed to looking the other way from time to time or even willing to participate in some ménage à trois promiscuity… So, the man’s intelligence could be determined by who he chooses include in his relationships or sexual endeavors, how successful he is in both delivering the OID (occasional infidelity declaration[yay my first abbreviation! too bad it sucks]), having it accepted and managing such a lifestyle so all participants are contented to some degree. Seems like what many men here attempt to achieve, and some doubtless already have.
I wish I were able to add an ev.psych. angle to the OID but I’m very new to both of these concepts and can’t as of yet really attest in what way said approach would be an evolutionarily viable tactic.
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xsplat,
As they say, “There’s no fool like an old fool.”
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[…] is a comment by ‘From the can’ (great nick, btw), who discusses omega male game: Counterpoint: dude is running Jabba game. He eats what the fuck he wants and drinks his fucking […]
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This guy is actually alpha by the standards of adult baby fetishists. He actually found a woman, even if she is a beast, to fulfill his disgusting fantasies. For every one of him, there are probably 20 or more adult baby ultra-losers whose sex life consists of nothing but beating off to adult baby porn, and maybe occasionally spending money on sessions with professional “mommies” who would never spend time with them for free.
I think pretty much any woman who wanted to live that lifestyle could have her choice, such as it is, of adult baby men. He must have some alpha traits, or something, to be the one she picked while the majority of his brethren languish, forever alone.
The fact that he runs some sort of forum for adult babies probably, and presumably moderates it and shit, probably gives him some sort of status in that community.
I doubt that he would trade her for a hot vanilla chick. A freak like that probably couldn’t even get it up for normal sex with a girl.
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Mothers want their sons to stay boys forever, they are almost always opposed to any move into male adulthood. The motherly instinct is not wholly benign, women like to have control over males. My mother would not allow me to socialize and, whilst she would aium to always keep me indoors, worrying about what might happen if I went out, she did not worry at all when I was unemployed and totally devoid of self-confidence. My mother cared not a jot for my lack of self-esteem.
Feminists often attack, quite rightly, the domineering behaviour of some men, but what they conveninetly overlook is that women are as fixated on controlling men as they are.
Interestingly, the elements of the “patriarchy” which favour Alpha Males seem to be calmly accepted by women. Alpha Males, as others have noted, have been the big winners of the feminist revolution. It could even be said they have done even better out of it than women.
Thus, the very same men who oppressed women, are the ones who have been strenghened by their liberation. The Alpha Male has been richly rewarded for his arrogance.
Articles by feminists (especially Faludi) on the subject of masculinity seem to measure men by their social status.
Women equate self-confidence with sexual skill, which is complete bunk. Many of the most skilled male lovers are actually quiet, shy men. Women buy into the Alpha Male and his BS totally, even if they dislike the Alpha male, they in many cases define men according to alpha male standards.
Marriage has absolutely no place in a truly equal society, marriage is a contract between two people who prize social status above love.
This is why Cybersex is actually a wonderful thing; a man with great skill as a lover who lacks self-confidence can pleasure women who might otherwise have ignored him. The BS of courtship, of “contracts”, is stripped away and human beings can simply be themselves without all the external crap.
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All those calling for the death of babyman might want to be aware that he can bite back at the cruel world he lives in if provoked. See Virginia Tech Massacre, or your family with their throats slit whilst you are out making the money previously sent to feed his fat hole.
We’re all in this together folks. Don’t forget it.
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